[0:00] We're going to approve the agenda. Then we'll have brief announcements and then we'll open it up to public comment.

[0:09] Move to approve the agenda.

[0:13] Again.

[0:15] All right, all in favor? Aye. Okay. Next we'll turn to staff for brief announcements and then commissioners.

[0:26] We don't have any brief announcements tonight, Madam.

[0:31] Commissioners, any brief announcements?

[0:38] Last meeting when we were talking about College Park specifically.

[0:42] I mentioned a book that I had brought up once before.

[0:44] And I have it with me this evening so we can get that on the record and in our notes.

[0:48] It is called a field guide to American houses and it's Virginia Savage and McAllister.

[0:54] It's used by architects.

[0:58] It's a great reference just so we have something to utilize when the conversation comes up in regards to our historic homes here in town.

[1:11] Thank you.

[1:15] I have one.

[1:15] It's not necessarily brief.

[1:18] We've been receiving some documentation recently

[1:23] about clowning that has occurred at the site

[1:28] that was proposed for the village farms development.

[1:31] It seems to be fairly well documented through photographs

[1:35] and in person observations that were done.

[1:39] And what's concerning about this is that the clowning

[1:41] has included the 47 acres evidently of wetlands

[1:44] that were scheduled to be set aside in a habitat preserve

[1:48] if the village farms development had, in fact, been approved.

[1:52] My concern about that is that this document,

[1:56] the biological resources assessment, that was done

[1:59] for the village farms project, which comprised

[2:01] appendix D of the EIR, clearly identifies

[2:05] those wetlands as what's called waters of the United States.

[2:10] In other words, they're recognized by the Army Corps

[2:12] of Engineers, which has jurisdiction over the federal

[2:14] clean water act. I did make an enquiry with staff about this as to whether or not any of the official

[2:20] government agencies had been informed. I was informed by Sherry that in fact state-fishing

[2:25] game has been informed. My concern is that doesn't go far enough because as I said it's the federal

[2:31] Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Fish and Wildlife Service, they have jurisdiction over

[2:37] these wetlands and the verbal pool species. There's really not much a city can do because this

[2:42] and the county. So I have not had time to do it yet, but I intend to pursue this with the county to see if they're going to investigate it.

[2:51] All of my resources at Army Corps of Engineers and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are somewhat old.

[2:57] I think all those people are retired and the resources at those agencies are somewhat slim,

[3:04] but I do find this very concerning that in area that's been identified just as recently as earlier this year in an EIR

[3:11] is now being plowed up and we've all received emails about it and maybe at the next meeting

[3:19] if I have some further answers all and bring those back to the commission. Thanks.

[3:26] Any other commissioners with announcements?

[3:30] September 30th at 2 p.m. I'm going to welcome Ariel Bauerbaum, who's a professor of planning

[3:36] from the East Coast and she studies the impacts of school closures on land use.

[3:41] So there'll be an event on campus at 2 p.m. for folks who are interested in learning more about what school closures here in Davis might mean for community values land use property values. She is a national expert. So we're lucky to have her in town.

[3:58] And then first week in October, the California American Planning Association conference is holding its annual conference in LA and there are sessions online for those who are interested.

[4:10] and I hope this is a conference one day that we can all attend together maybe with planning

[4:15] staff. It's a really great conference. It's coming to Sacramento next year so it'll be

[4:19] right next door. Lots of really interesting sessions including one on how to deal with contentious

[4:26] politics as you're trying to make policy. With that let me turn it over to Madam Mayard. Do you

[4:34] have any comments? I don't. Thank you and I apologize in advance that I have to step out in a

[4:40] and to go to another meeting and step back in, so it's not because I'm not interested in what you're doing to so you know.

[4:47] Alright, wonderful.

[4:48] With that, we're going to open it up for public comment, and you will receive three minutes on the clock.

[4:54] So please welcome you, too.

[4:59] Planning Commission.

[5:06] Good evening, planning commission members. I'm Kathy Howard Crowe of a third generation resident of college park. I'm also a member of the steering committee for the college park neighborhood association and I'm speaking on behalf of the college park neighborhood association at the request of the history committee.

[5:30] And we have some members here, so the College Park neighborhood association is a city organized city section association that represents the entire College Park neighborhood of 48 homes.

[5:52] Thank you for your service to the community, and to the Planning Commission, we understand

[6:02] that you are volunteers and appreciate the commitment to the community.

[6:08] We are also working as volunteers for the community and with me tonight, again, our members

[6:15] at the College Park Neighborhood Association History Committee.

[6:19] This is a small representation of the community members involved as we have several

[6:26] communities and dozens of members.

[6:30] The College Park Neighborhood Association is very interested in your discussion of our

[6:36] historic neighborhood at your September 9th meeting because of this discussion.

[6:43] We realized that we should have shared with you the College Park, the Amber Hood Association's letter as of August 4th, 2026 to Mayor Neville in the City Council.

[6:58] That letter along with the relevant city ordinance along with the unadopted design guidelines was sent to you last week.

[7:10] If you did not receive it, I've copies.

[7:15] So I'm happy to give them.

[7:18] The College Park Neighborhood Association strongly advocates for the city to adopt the College Park Historic District Design Guidelines.

[7:29] date at September 30,

[7:34] 2021, along with the historic preservation incentives described in the city

[7:41] ordinance here, 40.2.3. We believe these essential actions would bring this city into compliance

[7:53] with the ordinance and allow the community to take advantage of the state and federal financial

[8:00] incentives available to historic districts. We sincerely appreciate your assistance in the approval

[8:09] of the College Park Historic District Guidelines process that has been a way to completion

[8:16] for 46 years.

[8:21] The College Park Neighborhood Association is ready and willing to assist you

[8:26] as needed in the approving process.

[8:29] Thank you for your time.

[8:30] Thank you.

[8:31] In consideration.

[8:36] We're not responding to public comment right now.

[8:40] But we can follow up with that.

[8:45] All right, next public comment, please.

[8:51] Good evening, commissioners.

[8:53] I'm here regarding any issue that happened this past week for those that you haven't heard.

[9:05] The unthinkable has happened as if it wasn't bad enough that the Boringel habitat got just years ago on the Covell village site.

[9:15] And then the Vernal Pools on the same site, which is now the Bill Charm site, was

[9:21] disk in 2023 just before the EIR started, but then of course the EIR confirmed that there

[9:28] were endangered species of Vernal Pools' tadpole shrimp and rare native plants in

[9:33] native California native plants.

[9:36] Yet they were disked again this past week.

[9:40] This is a horrendous act, and it must not be tolerated.

[9:46] It makes clear that there was never any intention to preserve these vinyl earlples.

[9:53] Let's face it.

[9:55] I mean, the slogan of Houses in Habitat was just a big scam.

[10:00] So, the rural pools, fortunately, survived the first April 2023, roughly April 2023, disking.

[10:12] So, the hope is that they're going to survive again. But it makes clear for the need to preserve these rural pools with a conservation easement.

[10:23] since there is no sincerity ever to protect them.

[10:29] So please, I hope to see you to something to help with this.

[10:34] Thank you.

[10:35] Thank you for the public comment.

[10:37] Are there any other public comments?

[10:45] Hello, my name is Les Pratello,

[10:48] and I've been individually and as a member of the Rotary

[10:51] the new Rotary Club trying to do something with the Boy Scout

[10:55] cabin. And I understand that the city of Davis has now adopted some sort of a

[11:01] downtown development project. The history of that, I don't know if all of

[11:07] you are familiar with that. But the land was owned by the University of

[11:12] California until about three or four years ago, and then the city

[11:16] purchased a set of red dollar. And some of us individually have been

[11:21] trying to get the city to do something.

[11:23] And quite frankly, it is a mess.

[11:26] And as I read about this El Niño,

[11:29] and I look at the dirt and stuff around that cabin,

[11:32] particularly the three-stump,

[11:34] I don't know who's in charge of that for the city,

[11:37] but we've got nothing we've written letters

[11:40] to the city council.

[11:42] I guess I would urge you as a part of this

[11:46] like downtown economic plan to look at the Boy Scout site as the only real attraction

[11:54] downtown that has a historic background and that it could be made into a park in the future,

[12:00] but if we keep going, we're going to end up demolishing that cabin because it's not going

[12:05] to survive many years anymore.

[12:07] The rotary club in 1992 completely rebuilt the inside of the cabin so it's almost a self-sustaining or at least supporting document.

[12:20] But I'm not sure with the merging of these two commissions, the historical commission and the planning commission, where the Boy Scout cabin is in the mess.

[12:30] but I would just serve you to send a resolution to the city council saying something was

[12:38] got to be done before El Nino comes and completely destroys it.

[12:42] Thank you very much.

[12:45] Thank you so much for your public comment.

[12:47] Are there any further public comments?

[12:52] For public comment, we take comment, but we don't do question and answer.

[12:56] He can come forward with his question and it's your prerogative as chair if you wish

[13:00] address respond or ask staff to respond to it, but only if it's within the purge of the

[13:06] item on the agenda.

[13:08] I think that's a great idea. If you'd like to come forward and ask the question, we'll

[13:11] see if we can potentially have staff respond. I'm going to make a little

[13:16] ocent to staff for answering at a later date of that. That's more appropriate.

[13:20] My name's Carl Hiller. I'm part of the college part group. I've lived on college part

[13:25] for 35 years,

[13:29] I'm in general agreement with what they want to accomplish here, but as I took

[13:34] time this afternoon to reread all this stuff, and some of the provisions here are obsolete

[13:41] compared to, you know, in these, what historic preservation stuff is compared to what we're

[13:48] trying to achieve nowadays, like if you want to put an accessory dwelling units in it, you require

[13:54] a one car wide driveway. That's not the best way to do that. You know what I mean? That means

[14:00] cars are going to be on the street. So what I want to do is urge some flexibility in looking at

[14:09] all these historic guidelines which in some cases can be a little rigid and urge some more

[14:14] flexibility in how to interpret those because some of them are obsolete by what we want to

[14:19] you these days. Okay? Thank you. Thank you very much.

[14:26] All right, seeing no further public comments.

[14:29] We're going to close public comment and move on to our consent calendar. We have two items before

[14:35] us tonight.

[14:39] One is a requested second driveway to an ADU and the other is the general plan update.

[14:50] We're ready. All right, thank you Madam Chair and good evening planning commission.

[14:54] Samantha Bailey assistant planner, tonight I'm just going to be giving a brief presentation.

[15:00] And regarding a request for a revised final plan development to allow a second driveway at 3103 shelter

[15:08] co-place. And the subject parcel is zone PD-3174. This is the Stone Gate subdivision. All

[15:18] of the surrounding parcels are also under that same zoning. And the land use designation is residential

[15:24] low density.

[15:27] So, the left of this slide is the vicinity map, we can see our project location is at

[15:32] these located at the end of a cul-de-sac, and is surrounded by other single family residences.

[15:38] And so, the right of the slide is the site plan, which shows the location of the driveways,

[15:43] as well as some of the existing and proposed landscaping.

[15:47] That second driveway is located towards the southern entrance of the property and would go

[15:54] towards the southeast corner where it would provide access to a proposed

[15:59] ADU and detached garage in the backyard.

[16:04] And so this PD does not have any specific

[16:06] standards for driveways in which case then it reverts back to the base zoning

[16:11] code and the standards for driveways for single-frame and residences is under a

[16:18] section regarding location of off street parking. There's a standard that there's no more than one driveway allowed per street funtage.

[16:29] And then another important code section within that same section is that there's a limitation to a 40% maximum coverage by impervious surfacing in the required front yard.

[16:40] And so, because of those two standards, the applicants are requesting to be able to add a second driveway as there are some issues in designing a single expanded driveway that would allow it to meet that impervious surfacing standard.

[17:00] And additionally, the applicants also have a desire to preserve some existing

[17:04] which are trees that are on the property.

[17:07] And so the design would assist with each of those items.

[17:11] And so there is a co-section that allows minor visions to find a plan

[17:14] development, which can be applied either to the entire plan development,

[17:18] or just to a single site.

[17:20] In this case, the applicants are just requesting it for their residents, their parcel.

[17:26] And with all of that, staff hasn't developed any significant concerns or foresee any significant impacts of this rounding properties.

[17:35] We've also found that this is appeared to be in conflict with the intentions of the general plan or the zoning.

[17:41] And additionally, the applicants have expressed that they have support from the homeowners association, excuse me, and some surrounding neighbors for this project.

[17:52] And so, in consideration of all of that, the recommendation tonight is for the Planning Commission to approve the Resolution that would approve the revised final plan development to allow a second driveway at 3103 shelter code place.

[18:07] That concludes my presentation, but I am here to answer any questions, and the applicant is here as well. Thank you.

[18:14] All right, wonderful, applicant, would you like to come up and say anything?

[18:28] I'm the homeowner.

[18:30] I don't know.

[18:32] Hi, I'm Genie.

[18:33] I'm the homeowner.

[18:34] Can I answer any specific questions?

[18:36] That's great.

[18:37] Thank you.

[18:39] We can move on.

[18:40] Do we have any clarifying questions from fellow commissioners?

[18:44] No questions.

[18:48] I think it's more germane to our conversation afterwards.

[18:51] So no clearifying questions right now, so thank you.

[18:57] Just like that, all right.

[18:58] Yes, well, I'll ask you back up just in case we go that route.

[19:03] Next we'll have clearifying questions for staff if we have any.

[19:08] I had a quick question.

[19:10] I'm looking at this map, and I see that there's a lot of hard,

[19:16] hard, flat surface.

[19:19] And if I'm not mistaken, we've been talking about in the city at some point I couldn't figure out where it was about making sure that new

[19:28] any time you redo a driveway, the best practice was to move it towards something that was more porous.

[19:36] And I didn't see that in this proposal and I'm wondering if that is not a requirement, it was just a suggestion,

[19:46] or if it is something that I saw a little grove of trees there that you're trying to put in.

[19:54] And I'm wondering if some of that might be deferred to that as a way to keep those trees healthy.

[20:00] And cut your water bill just because it seems to make sense. And it's a good practice and I know that has been at least discussed someplace. I couldn't remember where it was in here, but it could have been, you know, something that came out one of the flyers that we get from the city about how to preserve water and trees and other things. So just as if if if it serves the chair, maybe we could bring the applicant up and ask if they might be amenable to that and whether the design,

[20:30] work or not for that particular type of arrangement or it could be slightly modified with

[20:35] that cause any problems for the city, would they have to reapply, would they have to

[20:40] re-submit something just a quick question and maybe we could bring the applicant up.

[20:45] Perhaps let's first have all of our clarifying questions and staff can respond and then we'll

[20:50] have the applicant back up. How does that sound? Greg, Commissioner Rowe?

[20:55] I'd just a question about the homeowner's association, I assume there's nothing in the homeowner's association documents that causes any conflict with us.

[21:05] Yeah, nothing that has been bought to my attention. Again, the applicant, they might be able to speak further to that.

[21:12] Okay, thank you.

[21:14] All right, do you want to respond to Samantha first if we have the city has any requirements for pervious surfaces?

[21:25] There's no standard that sounds right that we probably encourage that, but there's no requirement and the zoning code.

[21:35] We are totally comfortable using permeable surfaces. It's one of the things that we explore when we're looking at the driveway.

[21:41] I'm absolutely fine with that. It's not going to be used often, so that's on a big deal for us.

[21:46] and all of our plans go through the HOA before we want to present them to

[21:50] planning and building so they have a privilege.

[21:56] Thank you for being open to that.

[21:58] I'm that sure it's required and it's wonderful when people come up

[22:01] and are willing to say that makes sense for you.

[22:03] And it's a win-win for our city too.

[22:05] So thank you very much.

[22:09] All right.

[22:09] With that, I think we'll open this item up for public comment.

[22:14] Are there any public comments on this item?

[22:17] If not, then we'll move on to deliberation.

[22:22] So it sounded to me like you wanted to make a motion to add permeable surfaces to the staff

[22:28] recommendation to approve the resolution.

[22:33] Yes, since we don't have any control with the consent of the applicant, I think I would

[22:38] put that in as a recommendation for sure for their consideration and it sounds like they're

[22:44] willing to explore them at the very least.

[22:45] So, yeah,

[22:51] I'm more comfortable keeping it as a recommendation.

[22:56] Okay, do you want to make a motion?

[22:58] A motion that we include for a recommendation that, as part of the recommendation,

[23:03] or do you want me to do the full recommendation?

[23:13] Or, I got it right here.

[23:21] Okay.

[23:29] A recommendation is right here.

[23:31] Okay.

[23:31] Approved the construction of the secondary driveway as depicted and further described in the Planning Commission Resolution 26XXXXXX and subject to the conditions of approval listed in the Exhibit A.

[23:46] The approval conditions, I guess that's all we have to do, with the added recommendation that they consider the possibility of diverting some of the hard-scape water to a way to feed plants and other things more permissible substance substance.

[24:02] Substance to allow for the feeding of trees and other agricultural purposes on the on the property.

[24:10] I'll second that motion

[24:13] All right, all in favor

[24:15] Hi

[24:16] Hi

[24:17] Right motion passes congratulations. Thank you for coming to the planning commission meeting tonight

[24:23] All right, enjoy your 80 you and driveway

[24:26] Now we'll move on to the second consent item which is the general plan update by our principal planner Sherry Metsor

[24:35] Sorry, our head of community development.

[24:40] Never been a big young title, so it doesn't matter.

[24:43] It's a good.

[24:45] This is Sherry Metzker, community development director.

[24:49] I wanted to take this opportunity to update the planning commission on where we are on the general plan.

[24:56] As you all know, we've had a few meetings, we've had lots of...

[25:00] Public engagement and things like that, and we have been collecting comments on a proposed draft

[25:07] Lannies plan, which is the first big step in the updating of the general plan.

[25:13] So, the next big opportunity for participation will be the public workshop, which we will be holding on October 14th, in 2026.

[25:23] And that meeting will be held out at the Veterans Memorial.

[25:28] And this time, instead of having several stations where folks can go around and just talk to whoever is manning the station,

[25:38] we're going to have a series of smaller, well not terribly small, tables that are round tables,

[25:45] where we can have eight to ten people at the table and they can discuss the revisions that have been made to

[25:53] draft line use plan and come up with their own recommendations for how they think the

[25:59] line use plan should be amended or not amended or what they think. So it's just another

[26:07] opportunity for people to participate and get involved in how the general plan comes together.

[26:16] Then on November 9, the Transportation Commission is going to be meeting because as you may

[26:23] recall after the last General Plain Committee meeting, the members of the committee were

[26:31] to go back to their various commissions and seek input from their bigger commission on

[26:37] the lion-use plan.

[26:39] And those dates start with the transition, well, I guess they don't really start with

[26:44] the transportation commission.

[26:46] They more like end with them.

[26:48] We've had several of them meet already and talk about the various issues that they might have with the plan and things that they might consider

[26:56] Changing and then all of that will be brought back to the general plan committee

[27:02] Probably in December, but it kind of depends on how this all comes together on the 14th

[27:09] There was apparently at your September 9th meeting quite a bit of discussion about

[27:15] out strengthening the permanence of city's open space easements?

[27:20] Is that right? Okay.

[27:24] And through land use controls and staff has done some background work that we wanted to share with you about what that means.

[27:32] I guess there was an idea where we might make our spirit of influence very large and include all of those parcels that were within

[27:43] that are out there under an open space easement within our sphere of influence.

[27:51] And so, Dara spends some time, Dara's our principal planner.

[27:55] Dara spends some time talking to the staff at Lafco, who are responsible for approving

[28:01] spheres of influence.

[28:04] And, apparently, it's not as simple as just saying this is where we want our sphere of influence

[28:09] and drawing it very large to include all of those properties.

[28:13] Apparently, Lafko has their own policies and their own procedures that are required as a part of the state law on how annexation procedures are supposed to happen.

[28:24] And apparently, it also is true that if the city really has no long-term plans to grow and develop to that ultimate size,

[28:36] Then there are very unlikely to approve the spirit of the spirit of influence amendment that wouldn't include all of those open space parses.

[28:46] Does that make sense?

[28:49] I feel like I explained it very well.

[28:52] Anyway,

[28:57] so she also wanted everybody to know that the locations of the easements have been intentionally selected and sought out to try to create a buffer between Davis

[29:08] and Woodland as development actually happens in the two cities actually grow closer to each other.

[29:15] And the open space easements that we already have are part of that effort to try to maintain

[29:20] some distance that's undeveloped that's agricultural between the two cities.

[29:27] Traces here with us tonight as a matter of fact, Tracy and I work together quite a bit.

[29:31] Those open space easements are very deliberate.

[29:37] They cost the city money.

[29:39] And so they are very strong indeed.

[29:42] And I think you would find that in and of themselves,

[29:46] they are difficult to undo.

[29:49] But the sphere of influence isn't really going

[29:52] to add any kind of layer of protection,

[29:54] because they would still be under the county.

[29:57] And so they would have ultimate land use authority.

[30:00] But, be that as it may, before the next available meeting, on which I understand it is later in October, we will have a little bit more of a discussion with the law of co-staff to get it even better understanding of how that process works in totality.

[30:20] And so that would lead me to the final point I wanted to make, which is the New York

[30:25] next meeting is October 28th, where we will have an opportunity for the General Plan

[30:37] subcommittee made up of commissioners McLaughlin and Roe to present their findings on the

[30:52] With that, I can entertain any questions.

[30:56] Commissioners, are there any questions?

[31:01] I would just say that the next meeting that we do talk about those

[31:05] Bureau of Influence and what are the areas that you were discussing

[31:10] or sharing with us in your presentation, Sherry.

[31:14] It would be really great to have a map that we can look at

[31:18] while we're doing that.

[31:20] It's hard for me to think about it in the context of

[31:23] just in my head, so if we could see it, I think we could better understand it, that would be a helpful tool.

[31:30] Do you mean a map of our existing sphere or existing open space?

[31:34] I think that's great, and then what we've proposed versus what Lafco has said will not, doesn't work, doesn't make sense, so we can understand it.

[31:54] and extending that line of thought.

[31:57] We did receive an interesting correspondence

[31:59] from a member of a public and it's trying to educate us

[32:02] on sphere of influence exclusion criteria

[32:06] and inclusion criteria.

[32:08] So perhaps in the next staff report,

[32:10] there could be some, what is a primer there,

[32:13] in terms of explaining the sphere of influence

[32:16] a little better for our collective education,

[32:19] what can be included, what cannot be concluded.

[32:21] we tend to use, at least I do sometimes, terms interchangeably, so maybe some definitions

[32:28] like what is the Davis planning area, as distinguished from the sphere of influence,

[32:34] and where does the limit line play into this entire analysis as well?

[32:40] So we're going to put some maps together, I think, some primer going along with it would be helpful.

[32:53] I was going to suggest the same thing as Vince and go a little further in saying that when

[33:00] the new general plan is published, I think it would be really good to have a glossary of

[33:05] terms so that things like Davis planning area, urban limit lines, spirit, influence, et cetera

[33:12] can all be included in there because those terms are not necessarily interchangeable, there

[33:18] There's differences, so I would say for the next, both the next meeting and then also in the final document, there should be a discussion of those things, including the list of exclusion and inclusion criteria that we were provided with first three of influence,

[33:37] and that was an email from, I think, Marjorie Longo.

[33:48] I think I'll just, I'll just, my clarifying question. We have the city limits and then we discuss the urban limit line and then we had the sphere of influence on the outside. So all of these questions about, can we see maps of where we are now, what inclusion criteria will help shape that conversation.

[34:09] And after we move on from clarifying questions, we'll have an opportunity for public comment

[34:15] on this.

[34:16] And then the next thing is that the commissioners are going to revisit some of those general

[34:20] plan update recommendations that we left off with last time.

[34:26] So if it's okay, I'm just going to review what we covered last time because this was one of

[34:31] those.

[34:32] This was a couple of those items and then what we have yet to discuss.

[34:35] And then I'll open it for public comment.

[34:37] One quick question that I could.

[34:39] Can I ask who owns, I know that the consultants are doing a lot of work with GIS in the maps.

[34:45] Does he sit on that or is that the purview of the consultant that's providing this information just a quick question?

[34:52] The maps themselves?

[34:54] The GIS files, the layer files that they use to produce the maps for us.

[34:59] They own them.

[35:00] Now,

[35:03] some of the maps are base maps they got from us. But as they have been working on them and making changes for proposals like the land use plan for example, that's their map.

[35:19] Okay.

[35:20] So I don't have digital versions of that.

[35:24] Thank you.

[35:24] Mm-hmm.

[35:26] Okay.

[35:27] Any other clarifying questions that popped up?

[35:31] Okay.

[35:31] I'm going to go through what we discussed last time for the folks who came out this evening.

[35:36] Thank you.

[35:37] And for all of us is a primer.

[35:39] So we talked about widening the sphere of influence, which is a recommendation we passed.

[35:43] we talked about widening the urban limit line to any place that the city of Davis provides

[35:48] utilities, including Willow Bank, the golf course in El Masero, that past.

[35:53] We also talked about encouraging or whether to discourage development on the flood plane, which

[36:00] I know you've spoken to in the past, Sherry, but you weren't there that night.

[36:04] That recommendation did not pass.

[36:07] We did make a recommendation for comprehensive flood control that passed.

[36:11] We recommended formalizing an aim of 7,300 housing units that passed.

[36:18] We recommended exploring just thinking through decking over I80 that passed.

[36:24] We recommended expanding the city limit.

[36:29] So what's incorporated within the city to south of Puda Creek that passed.

[36:34] We recommended expanding Northwest to the golf course, that also passed, and then what we need to discuss tonight is expanding northeast contingent on comprehensive flood control plan.

[36:53] So this is what we're going to talk about tonight.

[36:57] We passed a recommendation to pair

[37:00] development with protected bike lanes within a given distance

[37:04] of three blocks from new development in that past.

[37:09] And then we recommended adding density to transit corridors

[37:12] to four stories or more that past.

[37:15] We also considered whether or not to annex parts

[37:18] of UC Davis with student housing and that did not pass.

[37:22] So with that, I'm going to open it up to public comment and then we'll revisit these points

[37:28] one more time.

[37:30] Are there any folks here for public comment on the general plan?

[37:39] Good evening.

[37:40] My name is Brad Sutton.

[37:41] I live in Davis Wildhorse subdivision to speak on the council goals for the digital plan

[37:49] updates, specifically on the climate resilience and the permanency of easements such as

[37:57] the conservation easements, which California civil code, section 8, 815, 0.2, subsection

[38:05] B, a conservation easements should be perpetual and duration.

[38:09] Those are important because a lot of our studies and plans, when we look at things like

[38:14] flooding like we're talking about tonight, the depth duration and frequency of flooding

[38:20] are based on those conservation easements in the absorption of that land.

[38:26] those studies assume that the conservation easements and perpetuity are going to remain there

[38:33] as opposed to paving that over having additional roofs and then having all of that run-off

[38:39] goes someplace where right now the conservation easement is absorbing that.

[38:46] It's really important that the general plan update make clear and prevent the inverse

[38:55] the condomation of flow-geesments on properties that are dependent upon the conservation

[39:00] punishment.

[39:01] When someone flows water over someone else's property, they have to have a flow-geesment.

[39:06] And if the city were to basically take away those conservation easements, that can result in

[39:16] an inverse condomation of a flow-geesment on properties that are statutorily permanent.

[39:22] And I also ask that it make clear that we not move channel A and that all development occur south of the current channel A, which is which is necessary for the health and safety of our citizens so thank you

[39:44] Thank you for those comments next comment please

[39:49] My name is Rina Nire. Hopefully these comments are relevant as it seems like things are moving pretty quickly.

[39:55] I am concerned that the process is being fast tracked given that the commission has been consolidated.

[40:00] And there's really no broader citizen participation, frequently relative to how fast things seem to be moving.

[40:05] So please preserve the main policies and principles of our current citizens-based general plan, with only minor updates.

[40:12] Procedure by historic neighborhoods by preventing higher densities there, these neighborhoods are part of what gives Davis its lovely character.

[40:18] Provide real climate change solutions including better public transit to meet our climate action and adaptation plan, and offset traffic caused by development.

[40:26] The consultant's draft referred land use alternative maps should not have include village farm site in the first place given the multiple problems with toxic floodplain and endangered species.

[40:34] And that boat voters twice rejected similar proposals there.

[40:38] Even after all the multiple comments I've been hearing at these meetings I couldn't find an updated map where they had changed the map to only be below the channel.

[40:46] So I feel like voters are being kind of ignored on that and could you please revise the map.

[40:51] I'm extremely concerned also about hearing that the vernal pools were

[40:54] dist again recently as they were before the village farms EIR process started and

[40:58] the initial map included building housing on top of the vernal pool there.

[41:02] This is despite the fact that the vernal pool tetapul shrimp documented in the EIR are

[41:06] protected by the federal and dangerous species act and that we all knew about those

[41:10] vernal pools since the COVID village proposal 20 years ago.

[41:13] So it's imperative to set aside the vernal pool habitat in the general plan map along with

[41:18] other habitat of critically into client species, and then move on conservation easements

[41:22] as quickly as possible to protect them.

[41:25] A prior meeting discussed easement consolidation, and I found that really confusing,

[41:29] as I thought all conservation easements were in perpetuity, so if that could be clarified,

[41:33] and if there could be a list of all our current conservation easements on the map,

[41:37] and show that that's really off-limist to all development.

[41:40] And limit line is problematic because there's doesn't seem to be a plan after the line is reached,

[41:45] So we should instead be careful with planning each potential development and this means supporting measure JRD as it is

[41:52] I continually hear measure JRD is being blamed for our housing situation instead of acknowledging that historically UCD is not provided out with housing

[42:00] The city has allowed apartments designed for students rented by the bed which excludes others needing housing

[42:05] And even when citizens vote yes undevelop developers haven't followed through on their campaign promises

[42:10] So JRD is not the problem please keep that as it is

[42:13] You see, needs more on campus housing, including a promise staff housing.

[42:18] Years ago, there was a great presentation to the City Council, showing multiple on-campus

[42:22] location suitable for staff and student housing.

[42:25] So please revisit that to relieve housing pressures in town, and then off-campus we need multiple

[42:30] housing types to meet a variety of needs emphasizing affordability and environmental sustainability.

[42:35] Thank you very much.

[42:37] Thank you.

[42:38] Next comment.

[42:50] Can you hear me now?

[42:52] Okay, all right, and Dear Planning Commissioner, City staff and all to consultants, my name

[42:58] is Ziv Lang, and I am really concerned that this general plan process has been fast

[43:02] tracked and appears to want to get in overhaul our current City Council and its based

[43:07] general plan. Some of the issues that concern me the most include following. One, the revised

[43:12] preferred land use alternative plan, Matt Stylriss, Tain's Village Farm, as it was proposed

[43:17] the measure fee, even though this was rejected by Davis voters. The map needs to be updated

[43:22] to move the urban limit line to self-to-channel A, so that there's no development north

[43:26] of the channel where the bulk of the massive floodplain top six are from the end-lined old Davis

[43:31] landfill and sewage treatment plant. Two over-densification in the potential to eliminate new

[43:37] single family housing and allowing only multi-family housing does not work as a one-size-fits-all

[43:42] solution to housing challenges. While there is a need to increase of densities to some extent,

[43:47] and needs to be reasonable and not impose detrimentally on our existing neighbourhoods

[43:52] in a case of infill, high density 5-7 story housing does not provide the flexibility

[43:57] and privacy families want for the kids and pets. What city needs is a mix of low, medium

[44:02] and high density housing in all new developments to accommodate different residential needs.

[44:08] 3. Increasing housing density does not work without first improving public transit. The current

[44:13] The public transit system is designed primarily to serve the UC Davis, not the entire community,

[44:18] leading to many of the ongoing proposed housing projects being underserved, especially during

[44:22] school breaks, and increasing the traffic congestion problem.

[44:26] Fixed transit system first before trying to increase density significantly.

[44:30] Instead, stronger language is needed in the general plan, press release Davis to build

[44:34] far more high-density housing on campus for students, faculty and staff.

[44:38] Being the largest UC campus for a huge amount of dormant land was served for housing such as the West Village.

[44:45] There is no reason why UC Davis cannot also commit to building at least 50% on campus housing, like all the other UCs except landlots UC Berkeley.

[44:54] UC Irvine and UC San Diego are successfully building high-density student housing.

[44:58] So easy day for science notes.

[45:00] Excuse why can't do so as well? Finally, Davis residents once our current citizen-based general plan

[45:05] preserved and not scattered. While it does need some updating, that does not mean discarding

[45:10] the excellent policies and principles. There must be no changes or a mending of measure

[45:14] JRD. Decisions and rights to vote on future uses of open space and agricultural lands.

[45:20] Davis residents do not want measure JRD weak and exemptions in main vulnerable to being overturned.

[45:25] Thank you.

[45:27] Thank you for the public comment. Next, please.

[45:29] Hi, my name is Elizabeth Ray and I have hard here. I am a hard of hearing as well. I need people to boom.

[45:36] So thank you for taking my comments tonight.

[45:41] I wanted to say that I was really disappointed and alarmed to see that the village farms was in the map of the proposed general plan update.

[45:52] And this is my comment for it.

[45:53] For several months, earlier this year, the village farms developers steamrolled past the EIR process to force a public vote for their badly placed behemoth project on June 2nd of this year, likely because they wanted the vote to occur before two rather large building projects started in downtown Davis.

[46:15] On June 2nd, their project was again voted down by Davis voters.

[46:21] That the general plan update has included the Village Parage Farms project in its original

[46:28] proposed configuration with no protection for the rental pools in the map of the proposed

[46:33] changes to the general plan and expressly against the Davis voters indicates that there

[46:38] is little intention, perhaps, of the city ever listening to Davis voters.

[46:43] The map ignores the EIR directives that Davis pay taxpayers paid for.

[46:49] This unregulated ability of developers and industry models to infiltrate,

[46:55] strangle, and control every level of decision making in our city is extremely alarming.

[47:01] We are seeing this at a national level throughout every single state in this United States.

[47:08] We are seeing this level of corporate bullying occur throughout the nation's city planning commissions,

[47:13] with dangerous staff centers being brutally forced on to unwilling and outraged communities.

[47:19] We appeared to be seeing the same bully boy tactics occurring in Davis with the general

[47:24] plan update process with this sneaky little insert here.

[47:29] I am hoping that the people will be not be so exhausted to not notice this.

[47:34] Every turn the developers of this project have sought to defy the voters, have a smothered

[47:41] and we appear to have council members determine to assist these developers at every turn.

[47:48] I am asking you, please, make sure that the village farms as it is listed as it was originally planned is removed from the proposed general plan update.

[47:59] Only this is, we cannot develop on all of this floodplain.

[48:06] Ask me, I'm the safety manager of a large animal diagnostic facility.

[48:11] We have one down into a lary, everybody said, oh, it's not going to flood.

[48:14] No problem.

[48:15] You protects payers, paid 70, 5 million for it, but I'm 2023, it flooded.

[48:21] And now, guess what?

[48:23] Just because some guy said that, oh, don't worry, we've mitigated all the flooding issues.

[48:28] because you guys are paying 25 million to a parent.

[48:34] Thank you for your comment.

[48:35] While the next public commenter comes up,

[48:37] could I ask staff to put up a map of the floodplain

[48:40] as that'll tee up our discussion for the Davis and the floodplain?

[48:46] Don't think we have that with us tonight.

[48:49] It was part of our packet the last time we met.

[48:53] Okay, we'll try to see if we can find it.

[48:55] Thank you.

[48:58] You're welcome to start your public comment.

[49:00] Yeah, could you, okay, thank you.

[49:03] Hi, Timmer.

[49:04] My name is Newman Juan.

[49:06] I've been attending your meeting a couple of times,

[49:09] and I served as historical resources

[49:12] and management commission for five years.

[49:16] And I'm here for, say, you know,

[49:17] I want to, I was a router.

[49:20] Before I was a router, I was a IT manager for 18 years.

[49:24] And then I become, I lost my job.

[49:26] to AI become a realtor, I worked for cover-backer and the remax code.

[49:32] So while I'm listening all these comments,

[49:35] I want to share with everyone my knowledge.

[49:38] As you know, the actually the easement has no ownership of transfer.

[49:45] And the conservation easement actually isn't restricting

[49:50] for the development is set up to protecting the land.

[49:56] So when the developers say, oh, we want the easement, you don't have ease.

[50:01] And the city has asked an easement is for protecting the land. And the city won't get the ownership.

[50:07] And the second line is for the, what they will come into it is like a three, what they will, you know, shelter place.

[50:16] So for seven years, I'm driving around the city as a shelter. I only serve the city of Davis, so many houses here. I do not go to Sacramento very often.

[50:25] I've never heard that shout out to Avenue Street line at the Stone Gate.

[50:33] I want to share something else as, you know, I do research on Senator B.O.C.D.

[50:39] Simon O. Six.

[50:41] And the title is Communist Control Actor.

[50:45] It's signed into law in 1954.

[50:49] And if you rated the more details about the debate, why?

[50:52] the communists is outlawed, and it's because during the war time, United States Russia

[51:00] China made a lot of, it's called a mobilization equipment, actually, the human rights

[51:07] looks so real. And after the war, the government actually liquidated them and sold to private

[51:12] citizens, or what they were companies, or the secretary, and those robots to do not adopt

[51:22] to do not have legal personal hurt to share not, you know, men share not allow your robots to vote and

[51:30] share not like them. They do not own any property because they are not even human.

[51:35] And the ginging, it's not a human. It's a relative. I think maybe that's the things

[51:39] house by my, you know, memory and the kind of, you know, out of a street and anything like that.

[51:47] And one thing, I noticed the back racket is much much less than before.

[51:52] And I want to know what he's going on.

[51:54] Thank you.

[51:57] Thank you.

[51:59] I can direct staff to it.

[52:01] It was in our packet last week.

[52:04] It's the map of all city owned land with spirit of influence.

[52:07] And then there's a link to the general plan dot com and

[52:10] and concept number four has concepts outside of the city

[52:14] for annexation with floodplains.

[52:17] Thank you.

[52:18] Sorry.

[52:18] Please go ahead.

[52:19] Make your public comment.

[52:20] quite or I'm my lean samets. Again, as you know, I was a former former planning commissioner

[52:27] boy, I have to be right in front of that better. Former planning commissioner, I served

[52:31] on the general plan update on the land use committee and the subsequent housing elements

[52:36] steering committee and I'm an coordinator of citizens responsible planning. I have concerns

[52:42] also about the general plan update and central a letter regarding a list of these concerns.

[52:47] Because I like many others, feel that our general plan, which is a citizen-based general plan,

[52:54] is an excellent progressive document, which needs updating, but should not be gutted or

[52:58] you know, have a complete overhaul.

[53:01] We also don't want MeasureJRD amended or have exemptions, which would weaken it and set it up

[53:07] to be overturned.

[53:08] The general plan is not needed to get into the subject.

[53:11] Most importantly, the consultants' draft preferred alternative map needs a critical change.

[53:17] If there is an open limit line, as the map includes right now, it needs to be moved

[53:23] south on the South Village Farms land to the Channel A. This means no development north

[53:28] of the Channel because there is above the Channel A. It would be, it's where all the toxic

[53:34] saw are coming from the adjacent old land fill and the enormous FEMA floodplain. There should

[53:41] only be 900 to a thousand units, maximum, and most importantly, it needs to have a conservation

[53:48] easement on the Vernal Pools, as I spoke earlier about why, and also to have protective

[53:54] funding for it into the future.

[53:58] So the reduced footprint alternative that was from the, that was in the general, and the

[54:04] co-avility IR is similar to what we proposed.

[54:07] It was the environmentally superior alternative, since it distances the housing from the, you know,

[54:12] from the toxic, and the enormous floodplain, and it reduces all the impacts.

[54:15] That's what needs to be done on this map.

[54:18] There should be no building on large FEMA floodplains.

[54:21] I'm not sure how the commission kind of got off on that because it doesn't make any sense.

[54:27] I mean, that is a planning principle 101 is you don't build on enormous floodplains.

[54:32] I mean, look at any Thomas, all those examples of where flooding has happened, and it's

[54:36] cost the state is not going to bail us out anymore state is said you know if you're

[54:40] dumb enough to build on a on a floodplain then you're you're going to eat it when it

[54:43] happens and it will happen because we have a you know El Nino coming super El Nino coming

[54:49] then no building on conservation easements including the world to our golf course for crying

[54:53] out loud both of these are fundamental planning principles let's get better transit planned instead

[54:59] I've just going like

[55:00] Let's go high-density, but we don't have any planning for transit.

[55:05] And there are there needs to be much stronger language in the general plan of pressuring UCD to build

[55:08] far more and far higher density on campus. I mean, they need to practice what they're preaching

[55:14] to everybody else, particularly because they're the largest UC with other 53-hundred acres,

[55:19] the 900-hundred acre-core campus. And there's a huge amount of land still on West Village.

[55:25] So please, and there's an LRDP coming up. So this is a very important policy. Thank you.

[55:29] Thank you for your public comment, Commissioner Hussing.

[55:35] Good afternoon, Commissioner Mark Hussing, Chair of Transportation Commission.

[55:39] I just heard the Commissioner Director of Metzker say that I of course I can.

[55:46] I just heard Director of Metzker say that the Transportation Commission had not yet given feedback

[55:52] on the General Plan update. We actually have September 14 meeting.

[55:58] We passed a number of recommendations that were related to the planning staff on the 17th of September, so they should have received that.

[56:07] And I'll just read them in the record here.

[56:11] Thank you planning commissioners for making recommendations around transportation and physically protected bike lanes.

[56:16] We seconded that and we split that into physically protected mobility infrastructure as well as

[56:22] Great separated crossings around high materials.

[56:27] We recommend that to include some visioning,

[56:30] explain to the public why we are planning,

[56:33] the way we are planning, the way we are planning for it.

[56:36] Otherwise, you can't expect buy in from the public unless you make that.

[56:41] We also recommend the benchmarking,

[56:45] the success of transportation to whom to who can navigate that.

[56:49] young people, all people who are aging in place, we need a plan for a whole range of people with

[56:55] a range of ages and abilities so that they can have options to get to places, including making

[57:04] sure that we have neighborhood destinations for shopping, for medical need, for local recreation

[57:10] for schools. The idea here, and I heard commission the row and the last meeting, talk about this

[57:16] you know, 10 or 15 minute cities in Europe, you just call them cities.

[57:20] It's the idea that you have the stuff you need right there so that you don't have to get into a car for everything.

[57:27] So when this is why it's important to have planning and land use and mobility planning side by side.

[57:34] So I'm really pleased that we are pushing both of those forward together.

[57:37] And we also recommend to potentially any potential green field developments for proximity to existing trip generators.

[57:45] This is campus, this is downtown, not all green fields in the land use plan are equal.

[57:52] We also talked or suggested that we should prioritize high-density transit-oriented development,

[58:00] so that we can maintain a somewhat compact urban form.

[58:04] This is from a transportation perspective, you know, best practices, because you otherwise

[58:08] will end up with a place where people will get into a car for most of the trips.

[58:14] And then we finally also added a note of caution from a transportation perspective on if we would

[58:20] an excellent and go south of South Davis, we are going to run into issues in how we are going

[58:27] to connect that from a transportation perspective to the places where people go.

[58:32] Thank you so much.

[58:35] Thank you.

[58:35] Are there any further public comments

[58:39] not seeing any, we can move into discussion?

[58:45] So what we have here is a map of some of the proposed annex areas with the floodplain in a nice lavender shade there.

[58:59] I wanted to invite our community development director Sherry to say a few words because she wasn't here at our last meeting.

[59:09] And she's gone on public record speaking a lot

[59:11] about the floodplain issues.

[59:13] So I wondered if you could guide us a little bit tonight

[59:15] as we're thinking about Northeast, Northwest,

[59:18] and this massive floodplain in which we find ourselves.

[59:25] I'm gonna sound like an engineer instead of a planner.

[59:32] As you can see from this map,

[59:35] we have a rather unique situation here in Davis.

[59:38] We almost sit on an island, if you will.

[59:44] area that is not within the floodplain, which is nice for everybody who lives here and has to pay for insurance and things of that nature.

[59:55] But it does make it rather difficult for those of us who are trying to plan for the future.

[1:00:00] Future of Davis, and trying to figure out where we could do that.

[1:00:05] Where I think that the city has missed an opportunity in the past, is because we have set up

[1:00:15] our line-new situation where we evaluate every project, single, one at a time.

[1:00:20] There is no opportunity to put together a plan for a master planned infrastructure system,

[1:00:32] which includes drainage and detention basins and things of that nature.

[1:00:38] And so what I would foresee in the northwest area and the northeast to the large part as well.

[1:00:46] Although that one is much smaller because most of that is included in an open space and conservation

[1:00:51] easement and so probably would never be developed anyway.

[1:00:56] But anyway, I think one of the first steps that the city would have to do if they decide that

[1:01:01] they would like to move ahead with development in the northwest area of town would be to have some

[1:01:16] from the floodplain.

[1:01:19] And there's anything that I have learned

[1:01:21] that anything can be engineered.

[1:01:24] Now, in the past, we've done projects that were in the flood

[1:01:30] plain.

[1:01:30] In fact, this map isn't even totally up to date,

[1:01:33] because the Bretton Woods project is no longer in the flood

[1:01:37] plain.

[1:01:39] The FEMA folks have not amended their map since 2010.

[1:01:44] There are amendments.

[1:01:47] You can find them online at the FEMA website that will show you where things have been taken

[1:01:52] out of the floodplain and show what the resulting floodplain looks like.

[1:01:58] But this isn't an exact representation of that.

[1:02:02] But it, as was said earlier, what it took to get that to happen was a very, very large

[1:02:09] and deep hole in the ground.

[1:02:11] What I think could happen is more like a series of holes in the ground, which are essentially

[1:02:20] detention basins, and that they would be connected by what could become essentially a channel

[1:02:31] or a swell that could be vegetated up on the banks of it, and actually could even become something

[1:02:38] like a trail system throughout the city

[1:02:42] as opposed to just a public work

[1:02:44] where it's just there for flood control.

[1:02:48] What I don't have my hands on yet

[1:02:50] is information about what this floodplain actually is

[1:02:57] and how deep it is and how bad is it?

[1:03:00] That I don't have yet.

[1:03:02] Although we think we're on to a source

[1:03:04] where we might be able to get a lot more of that information

[1:03:07] And then once we get that, I can meet with the engineers, and then we can talk more about how we might go about creating a...

[1:03:17] What did you call it? A string of a charm bracelet?

[1:03:22] Where basically you have your channels, and then you might have a pond, then a channel, and a pond, and it would go along throughout the city.

[1:03:30] And instead of just assuming that it's a public work,

[1:03:33] like I said, I think there are opportunities in there

[1:03:36] for us to use some of that detention base in land

[1:03:40] for something more than just a big hole in the ground.

[1:03:45] To me, Tod Hollow is the best example

[1:03:47] that we have of a combined use.

[1:03:49] We have dog park and we have detention base

[1:03:52] in the same place.

[1:03:54] Now, there are limitations to what you can do.

[1:03:57] And there are things that you have to be wary of

[1:04:00] because it will flood so you don't want to build anything down in there that's going to be a problem,

[1:04:06] but maybe you could have soccer fields in it.

[1:04:09] Maybe you could do habitat of some kind that is okay with flooding every once in a while.

[1:04:17] Those are the ideas that I have.

[1:04:19] The other thing I have found out about this map is it's not engineered, it's modeled.

[1:04:25] So, this is FEMA's best guess as to what is in the flood plane and what isn't in the flood plane.

[1:04:33] Until the land is actually engineered, you can't go by this 100%.

[1:04:40] And that's what FEMA requires you to do in order to say, well, I'm in or I'm not in.

[1:04:46] That's what they require.

[1:04:47] Is that what you were looking for?

[1:04:52] It is, do you know when we might have a map like that?

[1:04:55] We have no plans and no funding to do anything like that, so we are...

[1:05:00] We are looking around trying to figure out the best source of information that we can get. We are trying to work with the county to see what they might have.

[1:05:10] You know, the farmers truthfully, the farmers aren't incentivized to figure it out that really doesn't matter to them.

[1:05:17] They're just going to keep farming and if floods, they have to deal with it.

[1:05:26] All right, would we like to start discussion on this last piece of our recommendations and see if there's any further recommendations to add?

[1:05:39] Mr. Trust?

[1:05:40] Yeah, I think I'll pass from right now, but I...

[1:05:45] You're not talking about revisiting ones that we've already made, correct?

[1:05:49] Correct.

[1:05:50] Okay.

[1:05:53] There's another good map that depicts the theme 100-year flood plan.

[1:06:00] It was part of the June 24th staff report that we had.

[1:06:07] I think it's about the seventh slide, and it's an aerial photograph, and so it doesn't

[1:06:12] have on it the proposed general plan elements, it's just like the current city, and it

[1:06:20] does show the floodplain is being pretty extensive.

[1:06:29] I think the hesitancy I have in making a motion or a recommendation to consider expanding

[1:06:37] to the Northeast or Northwest is that I think such a recommendation needs to have a contingency

[1:06:46] in it, that provided that there is in place some type of comprehensive plan for dealing with

[1:06:57] stormwater management and flooding.

[1:07:02] That's either part of an individual development or that's part of an overall comprehensive

[1:07:07] plan for the whole city, because I think that's one of our probably our single biggest

[1:07:12] constraint now and expanding outward is those designations, but as you say, there were

[1:07:21] last done in 2010, we don't know how accurate they are.

[1:07:25] So I think that's where I am right now is I could support recommendations to show where

[1:07:32] we'd like to go, what we'd like to build through the year 2050, contingent upon their

[1:07:37] being adequate stormwater management and flood control.

[1:07:47] I'm just going to, it's more of a question to put on the record, I guess.

[1:07:52] I heard news, I was just actually trying to do a quick look up that there is consideration

[1:08:00] by the flood agencies to increase the flooding area of the causeway, and that might include

[1:08:07] more land and yellow county and I don't know if that means the northeast

[1:08:13] you know area so I don't have anything more than that to add right now

[1:08:19] I didn't come prepared you know with the details on it but I know I heard it

[1:08:24] it's in response to the super El Nino in preparation for that is what I

[1:08:39] Last time we did talk about annexing the Northwest and that recommendation passed without me and now we're talking about the North East.

[1:08:51] So I'll also note that even though this floodplain map is from 2010, you know, what doesn't show up in these repeated maps of our floodplain is the area south of the city, so that really seems like a great place to focus.

[1:09:08] So I guess what I'm hearing from my fellow commissioners is some hesitancy to make any recommendations

[1:09:14] in the Northeast and that we would table that long-term

[1:09:22] or anyone can make a motion to move

[1:09:25] it forward.

[1:09:26] One of the motions, again, that didn't pass, that I proposed last time was saying, how

[1:09:31] we just say we won't develop in a floodplain, but we do, you know, we couldn't, we couldn't expand

[1:09:40] in a contiguous fashion from Davis, not leapfrog development, but contiguous development,

[1:09:45] where we're not in the floodplain, which would get at these, these questions of being in the

[1:09:51] northeast, but not being within the floodplain, or the covelled village area, but below the channel,

[1:09:58] And then in a little bit more blood.

[1:10:00] So, there are areas that are also within the floodplain below the channel.

[1:10:09] I think the hesitancy I have in just flat out saying, we won't come up with a new land use plan

[1:10:17] for the year 2050. If it's in a currently mat floodplain area is that this is a plan for 2050,

[1:10:26] and we just don't know what might happen along the lines of what Sherry is discussing,

[1:10:31] comprehensive flood control and storm management funds.

[1:10:35] We don't know what engineering solutions may evolve in the next 24 years.

[1:10:41] So I think it's a hesitancy I have in passing a motion that this sort of uniformly

[1:10:46] says, nope, we won't go where it's mapped because we could be short-changing ourselves

[1:10:52] from some creativity in how we approach these issues in the future.

[1:10:56] Well,

[1:11:03] we can't go back and revisit the notion of building the above A, because that's when

[1:11:08] voted on A soon, which happened.

[1:11:11] Is that correct?

[1:11:12] I'm not trying to advocate for that.

[1:11:13] I'm just looking at the same thing that I'm sure every person has room has seen besides

[1:11:18] the governor's statement about, and I tried to make that point at the last meeting, that

[1:11:23] we are in for a wiper.

[1:11:26] The data keeps getting worse and worse about what we can expect in California, specifically

[1:11:32] around El Nino. It's moved from, oh, this could be among the top three, to it will be above

[1:11:41] the worst of the three. So if we're not considering that as we move forward and we go and pass

[1:11:49] something without any vision of what a potential storm of that nature could cause for us and I know

[1:11:57] people have been tracking, like, how do you go from a, basically, a, a wind storm of 50 miles an

[1:12:04] hour to a cat five hurricane in 24 hours? We've seen that happen just the other day. So I,

[1:12:14] I just caution us to be very, very careful about the choices we make about expanding it to

[1:12:20] anything that looks like a floodplain at this particular point in time. And I don't know if there's

[1:12:25] ways to check in on things as we move forward.

[1:12:28] Are there checkpoints built into the general plan?

[1:12:32] Should catastrophic events occur?

[1:12:37] Should we have that built into our general plan?

[1:12:39] Will we revisit?

[1:12:40] I mean, what do we have to signal?

[1:12:41] Well, that's it.

[1:12:43] We've made that decision.

[1:12:44] That's the best we can do.

[1:12:45] Have another just quick comment.

[1:12:47] The map that you have here, Greg, and the one that we have here.

[1:12:51] I know GIS, I'm not offering to do it.

[1:12:54] taking those two maps and combining them should take no more than an hour with somebody who knows what they're doing with these two maps.

[1:13:02] He's looking at a murder. This is an updated version of the female one. Is that what that is?

[1:13:08] Yeah, I was included in the June 24th Staff Report. We had the General Plan update. It's the seventh slide in that package.

[1:13:18] And it's an aerial, so it shows the current city and then in sort of a medium blue color

[1:13:28] outlined the hundred-year floodplain, which it's interesting that it notes at the bottom

[1:13:33] of the page, a hundred-year floodplain, of course, means 1% chance of flooding each year,

[1:13:39] 26% chance of major flooding over the period of a typical 30-year mortgage.

[1:13:45] Does it say on there where we got that map from?

[1:13:50] Yeah, it's in the consultants.

[1:13:53] It's in...

[1:13:54] Well, I'm assuming they got it from FEMA.

[1:13:56] So it's the same.

[1:13:58] Yeah, the title of the exhibit is federal emergency management agency and Davis floodplain.

[1:14:05] Yeah, it's the same.

[1:14:09] It's just the way it's depicted.

[1:14:10] One

[1:14:13] more clear to see on this exhibit because it doesn't have all the multitude of colors that appear in the draft general plain land use map.

[1:14:22] Madam Chair, if I might, yes, absolutely.

[1:14:26] I know that it's a very unsettling idea to move ahead with the idea of moving ahead with land uses that are in the flood plain, but I want you to think about one thing.

[1:14:41] We're only picking my end uses here.

[1:14:46] You still have eight elements to get through,

[1:14:52] of the general planet itself,

[1:14:54] that all deal with various kinds of issues

[1:14:57] that would affect these lines.

[1:15:01] So, as far as, as I can see, you have many, many opportunities still to be able to come back to your land use plan and say, hey, you know what?

[1:15:13] This sure isn't going to look like it's work. Like when we do the hazards section or the safety section, which is where we're more than likely going to get into these floodplain issues and a whole lot more detail than we are right now.

[1:15:26] You may have to say, hey, I think we may have to dial back our plan or figure out another way.

[1:15:32] In fact, I had a conversation with our consultant, just the day before yesterday.

[1:15:39] And I said, you know, this isn't going to be the final version, right?

[1:15:44] And she said, oh, yeah, I know.

[1:15:46] I'd be highly surprised if we got the blessing, if you will,

[1:15:53] to on a land use plan from the city council, and then we move forward into policy writing

[1:15:58] and all the other chapters. And we didn't make one change to that land use plan. That would

[1:16:04] be shocking to me. Yeah. Can I ask a follow-up question? I hear what you're saying. And at the same

[1:16:12] time, this map that's before us right now looked at annexing and developing the northwest and the

[1:16:19] with ease, but not the south.

[1:16:21] Not where we're clear of a lot of the floodplain issues.

[1:16:25] And to me, it seems like, yes, we can make tweaks

[1:16:28] and adjustments.

[1:16:29] But if we're saying, actually, I have been

[1:16:32] listened to a lot of public comment

[1:16:34] and folks who don't want us to develop in the floodplain,

[1:16:36] who will be upset about a general plan that proposes that,

[1:16:40] why don't we just not do that right now

[1:16:43] and make a plan to develop in the high ground and start moving

[1:16:47] ourselves down a feasible path.

[1:16:50] What you haven't seen is the revised map.

[1:16:53] I've seen it.

[1:16:54] It includes the South area.

[1:16:56] But you do realize that we don't have a whole lot of room

[1:17:00] in the South area.

[1:17:00] All we have is, and this isn't going to be very easy to see.

[1:17:05] It's right here.

[1:17:06] This sort of triangle shape between mace and to the west

[1:17:09] where Puerto Rico is.

[1:17:11] That's it.

[1:17:11] That's all we have.

[1:17:14] We can't do a land swap with Solano County and it's going to take years.

[1:17:19] It's a general plan to 2050 and we already own land the city owns land in Solano County.

[1:17:25] Yes, so that means they have jurisdiction. We don't.

[1:17:30] You could, I have suggested to some members of the general plan committee that maybe the idea of going to the south is something that you put in the general plan as an overall policy.

[1:17:43] policy, but if you think that is going to solve your beating your rena requirement and getting

[1:17:52] economic development land use available, it won't.

[1:17:55] It's going to take years and besides of which, that assumes if we could get salono to

[1:18:00] agree and if we can get the state to agree, which we don't, we don't know.

[1:18:07] And if we go to the south, we're probably going to have to go all the way down to pedrick,

[1:18:11] not just what you see here, but even more, because we're going to need a second way in and out of that entire area.

[1:18:19] You cannot serve that whole area off of baseball of art.

[1:18:23] Can I ask a follow-up question?

[1:18:26] The Nishi Project wasn't it an annexation in Solano County?

[1:18:33] No.

[1:18:33] No, it got switched over.

[1:18:36] It got swapped between your locality and Solano.

[1:18:38] And how long did that take for Solano?

[1:18:41] It happened before I got here, so I don't know.

[1:18:43] That might be worth investigating,

[1:18:45] because if it's been done before,

[1:18:47] we're talking about hundreds of acres versus what is that?

[1:18:52] 57, I mean, it's a big difference.

[1:19:04] The only other thing, I have a little more clarification.

[1:19:08] The OS Army Corps of Engineers has tentatively selected a plan

[1:19:11] to widen the oil bypass in eastern Yellow County.

[1:19:14] And it's more the upper L-Corn basin, so I don't know that it's going to affect that area we have proposed here, but just an FYI.

[1:19:26] We can look into that and see what they think is going to happen. I suspect it wouldn't be significantly different considering we're.

[1:19:36] They end up flooding 1,200 more acres is what is the potential for it.

[1:19:45] Commissioner McLaughlin is part of our land use committee. Do you have anything to add?

[1:20:03] Can you speak into the microphones of the public, can hear you?

[1:20:07] Yeah. In other words, to what extent can you be conditional in drafting general plan?

[1:20:14] Because if it's everything's conditional, then it's more like suggestions.

[1:20:19] And I'm not a firm plan, but this is the issue that's unique to Davis.

[1:20:24] I mean, I think you put, I've never heard that before, but yeah, we're on and on.

[1:20:32] And there's the flood issues in natural areas that you would think for expansions.

[1:20:42] So I don't know.

[1:20:43] I'd like to think about the issue, and maybe we could kind of consult around, see, you know,

[1:20:50] is there a way to draft this issue?

[1:20:53] I've seen it done basically what other cities who have maybe it's not floodplain issues maybe it's

[1:21:00] some other issue where they don't have some kind of infrastructure built or you know they

[1:21:04] need a big freeway interchange or something. They basically say in their general plan and

[1:21:10] in a policy that developers or people who are meeting people who would actually build on these

[1:21:16] lands are not allowed to come in and build on anything. I've got any additional entitlements

[1:21:22] until they come in with something of, let's say, 200 acres or 300 acres at a time.

[1:21:30] And what that allows for is a lot more master planning of facilities and infrastructure

[1:21:37] than you get on a 75 acre parcel like did on bread and woods.

[1:21:42] And so what we might do is write policies that say, you can't come in and do a 50 acre parcel.

[1:21:50] That's not going to work.

[1:21:51] Or if you do, you have to go and work with the guy who owns the land that's up here where maybe they're down here and you're up here, and that's where the detention basin needs to be.

[1:22:04] Okay, Mr. Developer, go figure it out.

[1:22:08] I had a project in Rockland that was 900 acres, five different people. They all had different objectives about who was going to do what?

[1:22:17] And they were trying desperately to make sure that the land uses that got assigned to their properties were equal between them.

[1:22:26] Well, we did a pretty good job of that.

[1:22:28] But then when time came to build, they were not too excited about having to build bridges across creeks, or detention basins,

[1:22:37] or any of that kind of stuff because guess what?

[1:22:39] You don't make money when you have to build those kind of improvements.

[1:22:42] But there was no way they were going to be able to build houses and other things until those things were there.

[1:22:48] So we forced them via policy to say, you got to figure it out.

[1:22:54] You guys figured it out and then come back and see us when you're ready.

[1:22:57] And they did.

[1:22:59] They did.

[1:23:01] It's all about motivation and incentive.

[1:23:03] It can be done.

[1:23:05] It hasn't been done in Davis because we've always done one little project, one little project,

[1:23:10] one little project, and we don't connect the roads.

[1:23:13] We don't connect the drainage.

[1:23:16] It's one piece, as I said, and we

[1:23:18] like we have several giant cul-de-saxs off a cul-de-el.

[1:23:23] Because you can't go any other way in between.

[1:23:28] Same thing for drainage.

[1:23:30] Can I come in?

[1:23:32] Yes.

[1:23:36] So just a recommendation to staff to consider.

[1:23:40] Doing contracts going forward for anything.

[1:23:43] make sure that we own the GIS maps that they create.

[1:23:47] Well, we're going to get them at the end.

[1:23:49] Oh, thank you.

[1:23:51] Oh, we're going to get them at the end.

[1:23:53] Thank you.

[1:23:55] We just don't have them in the interim.

[1:23:59] No, I've done that, and that's really bad.

[1:24:03] All right.

[1:24:04] Do we have any further questions or comments?

[1:24:07] Does anyone want to make a motion on this?

[1:24:10] Sure.

[1:24:24] I can talk to them about it.

[1:24:26] And we can possibly come back with some generic recommendations of kind of something like

[1:24:33] what I described about how that would work.

[1:24:36] We can do that.

[1:24:37] That would be very interesting.

[1:24:45] I'll just say also that I think in Davis, I mean one of my concerns with the general plan

[1:24:52] update is that we have heard from the public a lot about floodplains and how important

[1:24:57] they are.

[1:24:58] And so I worry that if we don't

[1:25:00] Listen and make a recommendation to not develop in them or just really mitigate them that that will cause problems later on.

[1:25:09] And I also, yeah, I also worry that a development where we're saying it's going to be a large scale, large developer. Davis has always preferred small local shops.

[1:25:22] And so I, you know, I'm just, I think that's going to take some, it's going to take

[1:25:27] some airing out with the public and some time for folks to think through and talk and

[1:25:32] voice opinions on as well.

[1:25:34] I understand that and I understand that people have thought that way for many, many years.

[1:25:40] I personally, I'm very hopeful that will grow, will get approved and I'm hopeful that will

[1:25:45] Grove will weigh lay all of those concerns because it's not going to get built that way.

[1:25:52] It's going to get built by a master developer with, I'm going to guess, several different

[1:25:59] home builders involved because that's the way modern home construction is done.

[1:26:13] All right.

[1:26:14] I'm not seeing a motion on the table for the Northeast so I think we're, it's, we're not

[1:26:18] making a recommendation on it.

[1:26:20] We've made our recommendation on the south

[1:26:23] and then Commissioner Road did you have something else to add?

[1:26:28] Yeah, I do have something else.

[1:26:31] And I apologize this will take a few minutes.

[1:26:34] Just some background here.

[1:26:36] I was appointed to this Commission in January of 2018

[1:26:39] and at that time I was handed this massive document.

[1:26:42] It's a 2007 general plan, and I read it, covered a cover.

[1:26:49] I was very interested in it, because I come from a planning background professionally.

[1:26:53] I took that time to read it, covered a cover again last December, and I really carefully

[1:26:59] evaluated it in the context of the multitude of projects and policy decisions that I've

[1:27:06] to be involved in during the last eight and a half years.

[1:27:10] And also in the context of the zoning code, which actually, of course,

[1:27:14] implements the general plan.

[1:27:17] And that resulted in a long memo I wrote, which at that point was about

[1:27:20] ten pages that was addressed to the planning staff, and which I,

[1:27:24] basically, point by point section by section,

[1:27:28] did a critique of the current general plan.

[1:27:31] I recently revised that memo with some valuable input from my co-member on the land use

[1:27:38] concepts committee events, McLaughlin.

[1:27:41] The intent of that memo is to provide what I hope will be useful back on information

[1:27:45] for this commission and for the general plan committee.

[1:27:50] I looked at everything from the vision community forum, the principles used in creating

[1:27:55] in that land use map, growth, management policies, growth,

[1:28:00] management, and infill.

[1:28:01] I should mention that everybody on the commission

[1:28:04] received a copy of this memo this afternoon,

[1:28:06] and there was, I think, a copy in that green binder at the back.

[1:28:13] And I guess, I came up with in general about six conclusions

[1:28:18] and recommendations in the 11th page memo.

[1:28:22] I think the first observation is that the current general plan

[1:28:24] was adopted in 2007, it was adopted that at that time, in the context of the circumstances

[1:28:32] and perceived community needs, at that time, that no longer exist.

[1:28:38] As such, I find it to be outmoded, overly prescriptive, cumbersome, and restrictive in a manner

[1:28:43] that constrains economic and housing development in the city of Davis.

[1:28:48] We've seen this evidence of this in a presentation that Vince and I received from Katie

[1:28:54] Nancy, where she summarized her interviews that she's had with business leaders and potential

[1:29:00] developers who have said, your general plan, especially the PDs, plan development districts

[1:29:06] that are inherent in the zoning code, just makes it really difficult to develop in Davis.

[1:29:11] It's almost as if the current general plan is intended to discourage development from that

[1:29:17] The primary goal of the general plan, and this appears in page after page after page, is to preserve

[1:29:23] the small university ambience and character of Davis.

[1:29:28] When in reality, I think what we need is a new general plan that promotes and provides for future

[1:29:32] economic and economic development and housing opportunities.

[1:29:37] I think what we need to realize in developing this new general plan is that we're part of a dynamic

[1:29:42] and evolving metropolitan area, and like her or not, the city of Davis is in direct competition with other cities for employment generating development.

[1:29:53] And as the people who have been interviewed by KDNC, you said, our general plan doesn't do that. It doesn't, it doesn't encourage.

[1:30:01] I think we need a general plan that enables our city to leverage the advantages that it has to obtain our share of economic advancement.

[1:30:10] The other thing that's kind of strange is the current general plan is a major emphasis on providing off-campus housing for UC Davis students,

[1:30:20] which has allowed UC Davis to avoid this responsibility to provide on-campus housing.

[1:30:25] I think the new general plan update should include specific policies that will encourage UC Davis to substantially increase on campus housing.

[1:30:34] Historically, just as some background is, this commission was looking at a major student housing project in 2018.

[1:30:43] It was the university mall redevelopment and it was proposed for four or five stories of rent by the bed luxury student housing on top of the mall.

[1:30:51] And this commission unanimously and vigorously on a 7-0 vote said don't do it.

[1:30:58] We've already approved four big housing projects, 1,000 units and 4,000 beds for

[1:31:05] student housing.

[1:31:06] And we said no.

[1:31:07] Unfortunately, the council didn't abide by that, but there seems to be at least in recent

[1:31:11] years of pretty consistent emphasis on having UC Davis take care of its own.

[1:31:19] Number four, when we get to the zoning code, I think we need to completely drop this idea of planned development districts.

[1:31:26] There are layered on top of the existing zoning.

[1:31:28] And again, that's something that Katie cited as an example of the problems that developers have.

[1:31:33] When they want to do something in Davis, they look at the zoning code that come in to do a,

[1:31:37] give a proposal, and they go, oh, well, by the way, you've also got to look at the PD.

[1:31:42] We have 150 of these PDs.

[1:31:44] I can't keep track of them. I don't know how the city staff keeps on track. I think we need to get rid of them.

[1:31:51] So I think the conclusion of this memo is that we need to continue proceeding with a completely new general plan.

[1:31:59] The focus is on economic development, job creation, and housing opportunities.

[1:32:04] In the last point, getting back to the discussion we just had here is that successfully implementing this general plan is going to require comprehensive plans and strategies for storm water management.

[1:32:14] in Flint Control. So you all have the 11-page memo. I hope you have a opportunity to look at it.

[1:32:22] I don't know when it's going to get broader distribution. I appreciate the excellent input. I got

[1:32:28] from Vincent and I've been doing this for eight and a half almost nine years on this commission

[1:32:35] and I can't in good conscience look at what exists now that many people think shouldn't be changed at all

[1:32:43] and say this is the way forward because I don't think it's going to get us to where we need

[1:32:48] to be.

[1:32:48] I think we need to focus on how we can be a dynamic city that's open to the future rather

[1:32:53] than trying to preserve the past.

[1:32:55] So that's all.

[1:32:57] All right.

[1:32:58] Thank you, Commissioner Rowe.

[1:32:59] I just, I'm going to just soften what you said a little bit by saying that I think a lot

[1:33:06] of the folks who worked very hard on our general plan and have made Davis what it is today.

[1:33:11] care a lot about it. And I don't hear them saying they don't want to change anything. I hear

[1:33:16] them being anxious about some of the changes. So I think as we continue to collaborate on our

[1:33:24] 2050 vision, it's important to acknowledge that collective work and figure out how to move

[1:33:30] together and honor that work. For what it was then, we're in a different space now.

[1:33:35] All right, along those lines, we've tabled the conversation about the North East and our conversation tonight made me think about the recommendation that we made for the South and also we have recommendations from the Transportation Commission, so what I'd like to do now for our general plan update recommendations is one put forward on the table.

[1:34:05] explicitly we had said look at annexing south but now hearing our director of community

[1:34:11] development say we don't have much room I want to be explicit that we should

[1:34:14] explore land swaps with Solano County so I wanted to see if my fellow commissioners

[1:34:21] were interested in that and then also if they were any of the transportation

[1:34:25] commission recommendations that they wanted to second as we move forward

[1:34:34] I would

[1:34:35] a motion that this part of the general plan update process, we vigorously examine the potential

[1:34:43] for doing landslops with Sloan O'Connor.

[1:34:55] Do we need any discussion?

[1:34:56] Are we ready to?

[1:35:01] Is that an exploration of that or is that a recommendation that we do it? Reason I'm asking that is if Sherry is correct that the process of doing it will take years, maybe that's a variable, maybe it isn't.

[1:35:17] The other question is the cost involved in that. I mean, there's certainly some challenges to how much money we actually do have in our budget, but that's another question.

[1:35:29] So, I would, I'd be for it if it were contingent upon some really good understanding of what

[1:35:38] that really means, because just to put it in there without a deeper understanding of how

[1:35:44] we go about that, maybe we should have, or I thought, being focused on other things rather

[1:35:51] than that.

[1:35:51] If, in fact, it's the criteria just that it doesn't work, it doesn't work for us, and within

[1:35:57] the time frame we'd like it to, or it would require such legislation and various levels

[1:36:04] of approval that would take us, you said, Sherry, literally years for it to work, and maybe

[1:36:10] we're okay with that, but I certainly like to know what those are before you jumped into

[1:36:14] that.

[1:36:15] I heard Commissioner Rowe Beckham and it was Explore, Landswops with Solano County.

[1:36:22] I mean, we just investigate feasibility a little bit over in the next couple months and then we could refine the concept.

[1:36:34] The Jew of any questions about this motion on the table?

[1:36:38] No.

[1:36:38] All right.

[1:36:39] Are we ready to move it forward?

[1:36:42] All in favor?

[1:36:43] All right.

[1:36:44] Hi.

[1:36:50] That an eye.

[1:36:52] Okay.

[1:36:53] That's unanimous support.

[1:36:54] Wonderful.

[1:36:56] The next piece of this is, do we want to consider seconding any of the

[1:36:59] recommendations from the Transportation Commission.

[1:37:06] I think I'd like to hear them again.

[1:37:12] Oh, my notes aren't good enough.

[1:37:14] Could I bother Commissioner,

[1:37:18] hosting to come up and read the recommendations through to us?

[1:37:26] And do them slowly, so in this world.

[1:37:30] I am also pushing.

[1:37:33] They needed to go slow.

[1:37:34] I was working against public comment

[1:37:36] and the time that was allowed it for that.

[1:37:41] Two of them were refinements of what came to planning before around

[1:37:45] Activity and also how one gets across major thoroughfares,

[1:37:49] great separate crossings.

[1:37:54] There was

[1:37:59] a recommendation to prioritize targeted dwelling units,

[1:38:02] increased by promoting density on the transit corridors

[1:38:04] to four stories of more or more.

[1:38:07] That is also in response to what the plan of commission I talked about.

[1:38:11] We second the Jew I think in effect.

[1:38:15] We talked about the idea of developing the neighborhood shopping centers for daily needs.

[1:38:20] We said groceries, medical care, and other day today.

[1:38:24] This is around this idea that you want to put things that people need, close to people live,

[1:38:30] so that they have options to not drive everywhere.

[1:38:32] That's not a mandate that you cannot drive anywhere.

[1:38:35] It is just to give people options outside of a car.

[1:38:43] We recommend it to prioritize potential green field sites

[1:38:49] for their proximity to local trip generators.

[1:38:52] If and when the city is going to expand

[1:38:55] how close you put that to current trip generators matters

[1:39:00] from a transportation perspective.

[1:39:02] If it's further away people will drive or travel more

[1:39:05] the travel too far, they will travel by car.

[1:39:08] That is the philosophy behind that.

[1:39:12] We added a note of caution from a transportation

[1:39:16] perspective on the experience in south of Willow Bank.

[1:39:20] And I think I have heard that that's also articulate

[1:39:23] concerns on, you know, there is a bottleneck on

[1:39:25] transportation there.

[1:39:28] We, from a purely land use perspective, put back

[1:39:35] put forward a recommendation that is a corner on the campus, current campus land, that for

[1:39:42] a proximity to downtown proximity to existing schools, is a location that would be remiss

[1:39:50] to not explore.

[1:39:53] Maybe tie it to some of the floodplain issues that have been coming up in the community.

[1:39:58] Um, there is a net.

[1:40:00] But it's rate of barrier there. You may specific about what you're talking about. Yeah, I'm talking about there is a whole corner next to the 1-13 next to Russell, that is why it opened land, that it's act land right now.

[1:40:10] It is not city jurisdiction, but it's right next to a bunch of freeway access and it's right next to downtown and it's right next to campus. If you looked at.

[1:40:19] 1-13 in Russell or 1-13 in health sciences? No, 1-13 in Russell. This is the corner of 1-13 in Russell.

[1:40:28] If you looked at the campus and the city as one unit, which most residents, you know, go back and forth all the time,

[1:40:36] that is a location that's from a purely land use and transportation planning makes a lot of sense.

[1:40:43] And we seem to, the recommendation of the transportation was to not let that go on export.

[1:40:51] And then we made a general recommendation to, this is separate, this is separate from the, hey, do we,

[1:40:57] Annex, who doesn't matter who develops it if that location is a proof of location, or a better location in

[1:41:04] many other locations to put housing.

[1:41:07] And then we talked about how we benchmarked the success of transportation networks for

[1:41:15] their ability to be accessible to young people, to old people, to people who might not have access

[1:41:21] to cars, be as inclusive as possible, and implement policy goals to reduce the household

[1:41:27] vehicle and the ships.

[1:41:29] And again, these were transmitted to staff and I was told they were transmitted to planning

[1:41:33] a week ago, so the only reason why this came up now, because they apparently had not been

[1:41:38] transmitted.

[1:41:39] I came here to listen not to participate.

[1:41:42] Thank you for participating nonetheless.

[1:41:44] All right, fellow commissioners, any of those recommendations from transportation commission?

[1:41:53] We would like to second.

[1:41:56] Eight to be a blocker of progress here, but I prefer to see him in writing and have some

[1:42:03] chance to contemplate him and perhaps then be in the staff report for the, all the things

[1:42:09] who were rolling over October 28th.

[1:42:12] I just, I respond better to written more.

[1:42:16] I concur, I prefer to see it flushed out in black and white.

[1:42:21] Um, so now recall that we've seen it, I mean, I guess it was

[1:42:26] conveyed to staff.

[1:42:26] It hasn't made its way into any document that I know it's been provided to us.

[1:42:31] Samantha and Sherry, could we request that we have the transportation recommendations

[1:42:35] in writing before our next meeting in October?

[1:42:39] I believe you're supposed to get all of them at your next meeting in October.

[1:42:49] I, for some reason, don't have that note handy, but I remember seeing it somewhere

[1:42:55] that that was the idea was we would get all the feedback from all the commissions

[1:43:00] and that we would have that.

[1:43:05] Okay, that sounds great.

[1:43:07] We will wait until our next meeting, and we will prolong our general plan

[1:43:11] update conversation about recommendations

[1:43:13] and considering what we might second.

[1:43:15] I have to say I'm surprised the Transportation Commission

[1:43:17] didn't mention exploring car-free neighborhoods.

[1:43:20] So maybe that's something we can add.

[1:43:23] Exploring, not doing it, exploring.

[1:43:27] With that, I think we're going to close our General Plan update,

[1:43:32] agenda item with no actions and turn it over

[1:43:37] to Sherry for the Long Range Calendar.

[1:43:41] Okay, again, Sherry Metsker, community development director.

[1:43:47] Okay, so the, as you know, now you're down to one meeting a month,

[1:43:53] and your other meeting is sort of an on-call meeting.

[1:43:57] For October, we are going to use the first Wednesday

[1:44:02] to do the public workshop for the General Plan Update.

[1:44:07] Again, as I said, that will be held at Veterans Memorial and the public will be invited to that one.

[1:44:14] So on October 28th, we will, again, discuss the general plan update.

[1:44:21] We will also bring forward an ordinance amendments that relate to SB 9.

[1:44:27] And chapter 40 amendments that relate to mobile vending, and that will ultimately,

[1:44:32] I'm both of those two items will ultimately go forward to the city council, probably in November.

[1:44:39] SB 9 might get delayed a little longer, but anyway, then in November is the way the calendar fell.

[1:44:47] Both Wednesdays fell on holiday days.

[1:44:51] First one being Veterans Day and the second one being the night before Thanksgiving.

[1:44:56] So there will be no meetings of the Planning Commission.

[1:44:59] Thank you.

[1:45:00] Or any general plan meetings in November. And then we hope to have the general plan committee meeting in lieu

[1:45:10] of a planning commission meeting on December 9th. And no second meeting in December because, again, it

[1:45:17] falls the night before Christmas Eve, I think. So we aren't likely to get very good attendance, so we will just simply cancel that on.

[1:45:25] So that makes your first meeting in the new year January 27th, and at this point what we have on that agenda is a more general plan update although I think you're probably from this point on just going to have it all the time.

[1:45:40] Because we are in it now and possibly a meeting on the historic resources and training for that and I know we have some other pending regular items that we need to get scheduled as well.

[1:46:01] All right. Thank you.

[1:46:02] We have to do a good consideration.

[1:46:05] This October 28th meeting is going to be big one for us.

[1:46:08] It's going to be our last major meeting in the year.

[1:46:11] We're going to try to march through scores of recommendations.

[1:46:15] Try to adopt in this policy and a planning commission.

[1:46:19] If there is any possibility of getting us the at least a staff report.

[1:46:25] And that part of the agenda before the Thursday before the Friday before.

[1:46:29] That would be very helpful because I think if everybody's had time to consider all the recommendations that are floating out there, then we can move more efficiently through the material.

[1:46:43] Thank you. And then the Environmental Justice Commission also has their meeting with their discussing general plan updates upcoming, right?

[1:46:49] I understand, yes, so that might be something to put on your calendar and attend to listen in person and hear how the discussion goes.

[1:46:57] And I misspoke earlier, we did have one motion with our general plan update.

[1:47:01] It was explore annexing and landswap with Solano County, just for the record.

[1:47:06] Any further comments? No? All right, with that, I adjourn our planning commission meeting.

[1:47:12] Thank you, everybody.

[2:00:06] Back to 1957 for John Coltrane's classic album, blue train, heard moments notice, Lee Morgan on trumpet, Curtis Fuller Trombone, train on tenor sex, Kenny Drew at the piano, Paul Chambers on bass and drummer, Philly Joe Jones.

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[3:00:15] Watch a beautiful idea to be true.

[3:00:23] Am a fool

[3:00:31] by a fit that because I have found you.

[3:00:40] I could have bound

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[3:01:06] With eyes of her own

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[3:29:58] And call trains, equal, no, no, no.

[3:30:00] From October 26th, 1960, train on tenor, a coitiner, piano, Steve Davis on bass and drummer Elvin Jones.

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[4:37:27] Afro Blue is always associated with John Coltrane.

[4:37:30] It was composed by Mongols, Santa Maria, and we're going to hear two versions right now.

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[5:12:31] It's really well done, and here's Alice with Blue Nile from the album, Pata, the El D'Hood.

[5:32:14] The first call was called, with journey in such a denonda. The set began with Alice playing blue nile from the album, Pata, the Eldi-Oood. And our centerpiece in that set came from John Coltrane and a band featuring Pharaoh Sanders recorded live in Seattle. The album's issued as a love supreme, and from that we heard, song, with Elven Jones, of course, on drums.

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[5:51:08] That's vibraphone as Dick's sister with John Coltrane's acknowledgement from the calm spirit of life, before that the great McCoy tyner gave us Mr. Day, and we were John Coltrane's impressions played by the late guitarist Pat Martino.

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[7:00:03] It's a time for dreaming, this time of night.

[7:00:11] This is a piece of music that is straight out of a dream.

[7:00:19] Imagine traveling to the sky, being surrounded by clouds, and all of a sudden you come upon a glass cathedral. There are stain windows on the walls, and you're floating right alongside these giant crystal pillars.

[7:00:39] As you find your way inside the cathedral and take a seat,

[7:00:48] this music takes you to that

[7:00:49] dreamy cathedral in the sky.

[7:00:52] We'll go there in about 10 minutes.

[7:01:08] On our guitar stream at yourclassical.org, you can listen to guitar music like this anytime.

[7:08:16] By Manos Hajidakat, I was guitarist Elena Papandreo on Music Through the Night.

[7:08:24] If you're trying to get some rest tonight, this piece of music will put you in a dream-like state. Jennifer Higden wanted to create this feeling of very quiet peace at the beginning. And throughout the music, it's a celebration of the soul, and where it goes after it leaves the physical form. Higden wrote this piece,

[7:08:47] as it tribute to her brother.

[7:08:49] It's called Blue Cathedral.

[7:21:02] When that performance begins, we first hear from the flute. That's because Jennifer Higden is the older sibling.

[7:21:10] The clarinet was the instrument that her brother plays, and towards the end of that performance, the flute drops out and the clarinet continues on this upward progressing journey.

[7:21:22] Just like Jennifer Higden imagines her brother's soul did after he passed.

[7:21:27] Blue Cathedral by Jennifer Higden, Robert Spano conducted the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra on music through the night.

[7:21:38] I'm Jillian Khan and it's a pleasure to listen to these performances with you. Thanks for being here.

[7:21:45] We're going to hear a Mozart piano concerto coming up. That's about 10 minutes away.

[7:22:09] Captivating performances of timeless music from the great masters, you're listening to classical music on capital public radio, streaming online at capradio.org

[7:34:23] A symphony by Italian composer Ludovico Villedana, Dennis Russell Davies conducted the Swiss Italian orchestra on music through the night.

[7:34:35] In this age of fast food and quick fixes, our attention spans are kind of like nats. And a lot of things are in danger of changing.

[7:34:45] Metsuko Yuchita thinks that the great danger to classical music is our soundbite culture.

[7:34:52] She says music is like a great painting framed in time and you need all of it.

[7:34:58] Tonight we'll hear her play the entire-

[7:35:00] Higher, piano concerto number 15 by Mozart.

[7:58:35] Ms. Suco-Yuchita is a beloved interpreter of Mozart, and we just heard why. She played the piano concerto number 15 by Mozart with the English chamber orchestra under conductor Jeffrey Tate.

[7:59:07] Sacramento Classical Stream is streaming on capradio.org

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