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Go ahead and we'll call to order the deep haven city council meeting from one day, September 21st. All those in attendance, please rise and join us for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of Spain's automation, our God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
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Thank you. First thing on our agenda this evening is
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Is the approval of the consent agenda?
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Mr. Mayor, I would move that we approve the following items.
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8 September 7th, 2026 workshop and council meeting minutes.
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B, the payment of claims.
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C, the Dakota woodgrinding.
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D, the replacement of the steps and handrails on the north home walking path.
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E, the pay application number 3 for the 2026 Street Improvement Project, and an additional item F, which is the old 6B, the Village Hall Pavilion Request Authorization to bid.
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It isn't moved and seconded. All in favor say aye aye motion carries.
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Next down our agenda this evening is matters from the floor. This is the opportunity for
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residents to address the council on items that are not on our agenda this evening. Seeing
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no one in our attendance this evening will move on to item number five which is planning
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and zoning. We don't have any matters this evening
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under planning and zoning. So we'll move to item number 6, which is unfinished business.
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And item A is the resolution for the 2026, preliminary property tax levy payables 2027.
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And again, this is our preliminary limit on the levy and will final budget will be approved
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on our meeting in December. So with that, we'll turn it over to Dan.
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All right. Thank you, Mayor Carlson. Members of the council, the only action that's requested tonight is approval of the attached resolution that will set the preliminary property tax levy for 2026 payable in 2027.
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Council reviewed the most recent draft of our levy and budget at the last council meeting September 8th.
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The levy presented at that time was in the amount of $5,110,239 and 60 cents.
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That was an increase of 9.18 over the 2026 approved levy.
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Staff continued to work through the budget and have had reduced the 2027 expenses by the cost of the seventh police officer that was originally listed when we were discussing expanding police services to other area cities.
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Additionally, the cost of the UPS system from the fire department,
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capital budgets was removed, and then there were several other minor adjustments that were made to both operating revenues and expenses.
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Staff also reviewed the interest earned on our investment and noted that several CDs that had previous bearing 1% interest rates were redeemed and
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invested in new cities, an interest rates of 4% and greater.
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That created a significant benefit to offsetting the levy and operating expenses.
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These adjustments have resulted in a decrease of $140,196 from the preliminary levy.
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That would have a 2027 levy as presented tonight in the amount of $4,970,000 and $43 that represents an increase.
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of 6.19%. Over last year's final levy, this levy increase would rank the third lowest
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out of our peer group of 14 area cities. That's to pick it on the screen above. Those
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are the currently assumed preliminary levy's of the cities in our area. Staff recommend
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in adopting the resolution, including your council packets that would set the preliminary levy as described.
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As a reminder, and as Mayor Carlson pointed out, the levy can be reduced from here by the final levy in December, but cannot be increased.
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I will also note that the date of the Truth and Taxation Public Hearing, where we adopt the final budgets and the final property tax levy is on December 7th, here in City Hall at 7 PM.
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And I'm going to note, you know, one of the reasons Victoria is able to keep their levees
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so low is because of the additional new residential and commercial properties that they drive.
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They continue to grow rapidly and it can daily gives them a real advantage in keeping levees
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low when you're adding all of those new folks.
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We saw that in Tonka Bay when they added all of the town homes and the apartment complex
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is over by Hazel Wood in that area, that really helped them in a couple of years.
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Look at them now.
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And unfortunately now they've had some challenges and they're now the leader at 38%.
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Yeah, so there's different factors that impact other cities.
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But I got to say I'm going to take my hats off to Council Member Jewett and our staff or the hard work that they've got
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putting into this budget keeping as heavy as low as possible while still maintaining the projects
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that we want. And again, I think the ones that's near and dear to our heart is building our capital
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improvement budget to allow us to do the big road projects like we did this year and continuing to do
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that in the future as we've got a couple more miles yet to go. So thank you guys for doing that.
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Yeah, I mean we wouldn't be able to do all the projects that we're doing and keep that
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And the top three without the planning that we've done for the past three years.
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So we'll, if we can drop it down between now and December, we will, I mean, we'll keep working on it.
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But as I said, I think to me personally, all the projects that are getting done and
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And the, I'll call it a modest increase, is a testament to all the hard work at this table.
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So.
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There's no other questions, we'll entertain a motion.
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I would move that we approve the resolution, establishing the 2027 preliminary property tax levy as listed here in our council packet tonight.
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8. I'll second that. It's been moved in second. Any further discussion?
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Hearing none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?
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The motion carries.
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Next on our agenda is item number 7 which is new business.
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We have a which is change order number 4 for the street improvement project.
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We're turning this over to our engineer. Thank you, Marin Council.
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So, presenting tonight, we asked for authorization for change order four, as well as the review and approval of four drainage and utility easements.
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So with the 2026 project, we had planned for placing two storm sewer lines that run between existing homes because areas were covered by a lot of trees and just landscaping.
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It was bid with directional drilling, which is a less invasive way of installing the pipe.
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As we got ready this summer for the construction, we realized that the existing pipes actually didn't have a documented drainage and utility easement over them.
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The city had a prescriptive right to maintain those pipes, but because this method offsets them just slightly, we wanted to monument that easement, making sure that we had that properly documented.
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So we've prepared those four drainage and utility documents for your review.
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We've had conversations with all four homeowners.
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We've presented them to them and talked them through the process and kind of what we're
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doing here with the street project.
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How we want to replace those pipes.
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As we're in the roadways now, that machine is going to have to sit in the middle of the
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roadway.
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It's pretty impactful to do it after the fact.
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So now is the right time to do that improvement.
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But we needed that cooperation with those easements to allow us to do that work.
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The change orders associated with the Heath Coat Drive pipe, the city maps had indicated
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that that pipe drained onto the surface with a flared end and some of the joints were
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failing, so it was surface draining through those joints, so we thought that was happening.
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As we talked to those homeowners, we came to realize that that pipe was actually connected
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to a different storm line in the backyards.
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We work with public works to test that line just to verify that and do some investigation.
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And so this change order is just the additional cost because we have to drill further and actually connect to that pipe with the structure
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So it's a cost associated with that work
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So is there still a flare there will not be no longer a flare are you taking it out?
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Yeah, okay, so in the alternate to this is an open cut the alternate this open cut
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Yeah, which would be kind of detrimental to any tree
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It would be a lot of yard. Yeah, be hard on the landscape. Yeah, for sure
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And we've have buy-in from most of them all.
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Yes.
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One of them, we have the signed document here.
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I've spoken to the three remaining homeowners.
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They all really are appreciative of the city's efforts.
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I'm not understood what's going on.
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They just need to review the documents.
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I anticipate it.
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But those will come in to participate later this week.
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We need to approve this this evening so that we can continue the project
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and not delay that component of our street project for 2026.
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So we'd ask for the council's review of those documents, giving staff the ability to make non-material or administrative changes just in case we find a typo or something and then those documents as we
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I would just add if I could if we do have a property owner that's
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uncomfortable or unwilling to sign an easement then we would
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connect to the existing storm water pipe and we would give people back the easements that they signed
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In other words, we're not going to take an easement on one of the two properties unless
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we're going to move forward with the project.
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And again, if we don't, in five to ten years when the stormwater pipe fails, we will most
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like we have to open-cut it because that's the only place we have an existing easement in
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its bi-prescription.
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There's no prior easements recorded on these properties, so we've tried to share with
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the property owners that this really is to try to help them with the scenario as well, but
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that we do need to record the easements so we don't have this scenario in the future.
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We can show where it is in life.
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So on the Heath Coat Road, one right there, what happens when it gets to Heath Coat Lane?
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It doesn't go all the way.
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It's just short of that call the sack and so I'll say up down there's a pipe that goes
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north south from the Thorpe Park, the Pond and Thorpe Park.
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Overflows across Minnetonka and comes down through these backyards.
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So it runs like perpendicular, it runs into this one or it will, and then where does it go?
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It goes down into that one.
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It goes to that wetland and then it continues south across.
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He float lane and there's a series of wetlands where it drains down through there.
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Got it.
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Just wanted to make sure if we were dumping it on the street, it was still going to get where it needed to go.
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No, but you see that pond, that wetland.
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Yeah, south of it.
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Yeah, okay, it'll drain through there.
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And it continues kind of piggybacks across
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through a number of drainage channels there.
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Okay.
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And when was it put in, do you think?
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We don't have record plans for when it was put in.
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We anticipate it was with the original 55 development,
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but also the pipe, it's not even one consistent material,
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it changes.
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So it could have been where it got extended
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over different improvements, we really aren't sure.
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Okay.
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And is this on our like GIS software or whatever that we had at one point or do we not have that name?
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That's why it was in there. So that's why we had bought it drained one way.
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Oh, in there is that and we come to find out that's a little different, which isn't uncommon
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if we don't have record plans. Yeah, there's a lot of head scratching decisions.
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We'll find them. Yeah, okay. And we did look at things like
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Just lining the existing, but it just, that wouldn't work.
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The joints are too kind of offset, that mining isn't kind of it.
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Got it.
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So I make a motion and we approve the drainage and utility easement and change the order for on the 2026 street improvement project.
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Seconded that.
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It has been moved and seconded.
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Is there any further discussion?
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Hearing none, all in favor say aye.
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Aye.
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Those motion carries.
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Thank you, Steve, and for keeping us on track and moving everything.
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That's it for new business unless anybody has anything else.
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If not, we'll move on to council reports.
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I'll let John talk about it, but we had a meeting this afternoon with Public Safety and Public Works.
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Tom can talk about planning, and then we will be getting together at some point this fall with the personnel.
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and finance. Emily, do you want to talk a little bit about your park update?
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Yeah, we had a meeting last week for parks and we had a special visitor, Liam Anderson,
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who had, he was actually celebrating his 10th birthday on the evening of our park meeting
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and he chose to spend it with us. He had some ideas for Punt Park, which is a park that,
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But I don't know, the committee has talked about that park a lot, just kind of what to
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do with it.
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It really is, it doesn't have a purpose right now.
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We've actually abandoned asphalt trail that runs through it.
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That was kind of up on the budget to replace this year and the parks committee and council
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decided to just not do that and just let it kind of disintegrate.
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So there is a asphalt path running through it.
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But then the path kind of leads to nowhere or actually leads to private property that doesn't have an easement.
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For that trail, so Liam often bikes through there on the way from his house to Thorpe and he had some ideas on how it could be improved. And so the committee heard his ideas and talked about potentially taking some of those on and we're going to work with Liam a little bit more to talk about where he where he was thinking certain elements would be in the park. But good to kind of think outside the box.
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for that little piece of property that otherwise is not at all used.
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So, that was good to hear from Liam.
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And then we talked a little bit about the ice patrol over here
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at Village Hall Ice Rank and then possibly duplicating the ice patrol
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effort at Thorpe this year, which would recur some training and
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figuring out where to store the equipment and things like that.
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But we talked a little bit about that and started discussion about the D. Pavan days event on June 5th, so yeah, I'm getting excited about that.
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That's about it.
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June 5th is our date?
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June 5th is the date.
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The first Saturday in June.
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Yep.
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Same kind of thing.
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Some kids' activities, some adult activities?
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Yeah, I think that was a consensus.
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It worked well.
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It's just kind of sick with that same theme.
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And yeah, that was, I mean, that was really fun.
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Yeah, I mean, that was really a great event.
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So, yeah, I look forward to that.
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And then, John, we had a little discussion
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about the park and the hockey rink.
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Right, we did talk about during our public works.
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Not only kind of maybe a storage shed
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that could house a snow blower with some, you know,
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snow moving equipment.
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It also talked a little about maybe non-demand water heater
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adding that with a spigot.
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So we could easily maybe use hot water to kind of resurface that ice and give the local community opportunity to kind of engage with resurfacing
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You know, it's not always easy for guys to come in every weekend to do it
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So if people want to commit to be on some sort of committee or
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What do they call them the snow patrol?
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Yeah, and so something we're looking and do a Jeff right now and see what kind of capacity we have in the storage there because right now
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Not that billing doesn't have a lot of storage available, so we probably will get an external source for something like a snowblower.
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Can we go in the rest of it or do you want to hear from Tony on the fire board first?
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I was talking about fire first.
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Quick update, we just have, well, I'm not sure how many people know, but the fire marshal is retiring at the end of this year.
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So the date, the fire chief has been interviewing candidates for that at this point it will be a combined position between an assistant chief and a fire marshal.
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So that's ongoing, I think they're down to three candidates also been interviewing for this part time administrative person to help get us through.
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for the next 12 months or so and you know see where that pans out and then we
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have a board meeting on Wednesday so I'll have more updates on how that those two
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things are going and as well as the fire that happened here and deep-aven today
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Okay, so that's about it.
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Good, thank you, Tony.
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John, you're on the mission.
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Yeah, a couple other things on our,
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our meeting to the Empire of the Quirks.
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We talked a little bit about some items
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in our consent agenda, the, the code of wood grinding.
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You know, Jeff did a great job at looking
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for an opportunity.
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We have a lot of debris this year with all the ML action
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and the down trees over 50 yards of material.
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So traditionally, we truck that over
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to the mall store in St. Bonnie, we're all in and we're going to save $10,000 plus dollars
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by having this company come out and grind it so we would grind it on site, use the mulch
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in some of our parks. We've talked about a possible opportunity for a weekend where some
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citizens could come and maybe dump some tree debris on that weekend during the grinding
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as an opportunity to kind of just another service we could provide. And then really we've
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I've talked about maybe this is an annual thing
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where it makes the sense for us to not have our guys truck
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to breathe out to St. Bonnie and we can actually save money
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and then get the mulch.
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It's kind of a win-win.
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We also talked about the north home walking trail.
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I'm going to review those bids.
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Again, it's a good opportunity to improve on the end
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of that trail where it isn't just repair.
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It's been there for 40, 50 years.
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It is used still quite frequently
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something that we could, we're looking at more granite step or a stone step there so something that could be around another, you know, 40 to 50 years really. So, we thought it was investment worth making, especially if we're directing people to use it, you know, as a city.
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Finally, we talked about the pavilion a little bit about the water consumption of the pavilion. We recently redid some of the more fixed our wells here at City Hall.
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We found there's a lot of sediment, we re-did our tanks in the adjacent building here.
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So talk a little bit about with the Sedola, our well-driller, he pointed out that our
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well pump is 20 plus years old, so be on the kind of look out for how it's performing,
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something we need to kind of monitor as we move forward.
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But as of now, it's operating as needed, but something we should keep in mind for our future
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expensive next couple of years, so I'll put it on the budget.
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Should be in the CIP.
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That was about it.
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We spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out if there was way to create the ice patrol
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for Thorpe as well, because it seemed to work really well here in the city hall, so yeah.
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Tom, you want to tell us a little bit about planning commission and LMCC board?
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Yep, no updates on LMCC at all.
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The last planning commission was a pretty long meeting.
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We had a couple of fairly routine conditional use permit requests, which we will see at our October meeting.
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The Yacht Club drew a significant amount of involvement from the community with comments.
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The largest single concern, I think if I could characterize it as traffic flow in parking.
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and what the changes that the yacht club might mean for future traffic flow and parking.
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The yacht club was here, I think a very good job of addressing the concerns head on.
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There will be a fairly significant change once the yacht club is redone on where students will
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access the club and from Carson's Bay versus Deep Haven Beach or from where they're picking up now the third place.
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That will actually reduce the load of cars coming and going through the way they currently go.
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So that should be good.
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No problem with limiting bus traffic.
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Apparently occasional road bus or two associated with the party.
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We'll be going through the neighborhood and that's not one.
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It's probably not what they really want now and it happens by accident, but it's going to be very clearly here to call out that if you've got a bus
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10 p if you're transporting more than 10 people at a time you have to use the carcin's bay
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Access point
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Extremely complicated project
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We will hear more about that at our next meeting
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Effectively next year there will be either a limited or no saline program at all
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While the club is going through its changes, and I think the other thing that was gratifying to hear is that even people that had concern about the changes by and large showed a lot of support for the club and what they do and their participation in the community as long as the traffic and parking was addressed.
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So again, we'll hear more about that at the meeting and we'll hear their specific plans.
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The planning commission did have some very specific questions about hardcover, setbacks from the water.
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And we expect that it counts the meeting, we're going to hear that also, some updated details.
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And I think Mayor Carlson was there for the big share of the meeting and anything else you'd like to add.
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And again, I think there was good participation from the public and I do think the Yacht Club addressed those concerns fairly well.
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So yeah, there's some details that need to be worked out, but again, we're going to do this under a PUD, which allows the city to create those standards and requirements so that we can put limitations on it.
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And then we have something that we can monitor to go forward. So I think with those controls, we'll make sure that the act web is comfortable and we'll see what it goes.
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And I think that's all I've it was pointed out they have additional approvals that they have to get through the lake in the tanka
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How many had to watershed that's what I'm out there planned right and they will be subject to a permit from that and again
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The many how how watershed districts their standards are going to be even more challenging than ours and obviously ours at 25% and
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That storm water is mitigated are pretty strict
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Yeah, that's it
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If there's nothing else, we'll move on to the department reports.
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To the police, Cory's not here with us this evening.
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Do you have anything from Cory that we want to report on?
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I would just update that we're working on administrative citations.
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It's a tool that can be used to use in other communities where, instead of issuing an actual ticket citation,
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it's a civil process through administrative citations.
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So it offers officers more discretion on how they handle certain types of infractions.
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More on that to come, but it's a useful tool, and it's an alternative to a typical ticket citation process.
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And we don't currently do that.
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We don't, okay.
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Yeah, I'm anxious to hear about that.
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Mm-hm.
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Excelsior Fire District, anything different?
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Just that the fire department open house is on October 1st, which is a Thursday, October 1st, and it's at the main station one in Shorewood.
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So it's from 6 to 8, and bring your kids, and it's a great reminder to change the batteries and your smoke detectors.
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October is the National Fire Prevention Month, so October 1st, there you go.
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Anything on public works that we missed?
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I would just say that Jeff shared that the crew is finishing up pothole repair.
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They kind of chased it this year with everything that's been going on with all the projects,
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but they're finding a way to stay up to speed on things.
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So a lot of credit to those guys for navigating everything and all the co-holes.
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that they've received about irrigation dog fences, everything with this project, much like Steve and Nick and the team.
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Really good job keeping up on everything.
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I think the communication on our road project has been outstanding.
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It's been great, it's really been good.
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Administrative, budgets, final levies, moving everything forward, newsletters are being drafted.
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those will go out hopefully if not the end of this month so in a couple weeks first week or so in October.
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Okay.
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Oh, you got a couple of things for that. Steve, engineering update.
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A big project is just our street project, so it's great we started on the last phase of the project.
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So the Heathcoat neighborhood in Hillcrest, so the contractors got underway.
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Most of the stormsters in just waiting for this directional drilling work to take place.
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But this week they started on street work so they're full underway and that project so it's great to see progress getting made and working on that last phase
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There'll be some punch list things remaining on phases one two and four of the projects
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So we'll be working with the contractor to try to get those items cleaned up yet this fall what we can get cleaned up and
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Yeah, it's great to see progress being made
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Yeah, I mean the new roads they look fabulous and we're getting a lot of positive feedback
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So it's a great thank the team for us because they've done a great job and those two pedestrian crossings
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They've put the bases in at both of those so anticipate here in the next month the actual beacon systems will be up as well
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So there should be up and operating as well. Good. Where is center point in their project?
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I think they're about halfway through that last phase and so we're actually meeting with them tomorrow on some restoration
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I think they want to within that neighborhood get a portion of the road restored to make it less impactful on the residents
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and so we're planning on meeting with them this week.
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On cottage wood, yep, right.
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So they're continuing to make progress.
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One of these scheduled to be done completely.
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End of October.
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End of October, okay.
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So they have to be done and that's what their schedule
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they're thinking it'll take them all the way up until the end of the month, okay.
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Yeah, number of years ago we went to a formula, not a formula,
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but a requirement that you're done with all of that type of utility work
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by November 1st, including restoration.
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It's good.
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Yeah, because you lived through it, and I lived through it, they were in there in the
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December and you know, they got lucky that year.
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Well, they got lucky that year, but you talk to the guys, they don't want to be there.
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They want to be north to your home.
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So, you know, you can't even the guys want to be there, so.
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And the road, that section of Cottagewood Road, when it's done, it's going to be
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effectively a brand new road or a pretty much a brand new road.
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Pretty much.
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We're working through that of how much it'll be left.
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there might be one lane of the base payment through there, so we want to evaluate that as well.
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But yeah, the surface get all new milled and overlaid, so it should look like a pay of new road.
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From Vine Hill to the attackable attack, basically, the entirety.
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maybe which could come in.
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On that, yeah. So one thing, so the requirement of center point is where they're impacting a lot of it, they're impacting one full lane. And so the side that they're impacting, they're required to replace the full pavement. So typically we have two layers of asphalt, the base and we call it the wear course, where they're not impacting it. They're allowed to leave the lower asphalt in place, but they have to put a whole new wear course. And so we'll talk to the contractor to understand what is the cost to just have them take out that second layer to
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that fix and replace it while they're in there.
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And so our plan is at this meeting,
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we're gonna walk through that with them,
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and we'd have to bring that back to the council
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of just what is the-
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Was that road in a condition
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where you could distinguish between the base and the wire?
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Right, that's the norm.
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Right, yeah.
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And what was originally paved,
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wasn't as formal as what we do today,
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but they're taking off the top inch and a half
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to put in a new wear, of course.
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So we want to get a cost for that to bring that back
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to the city and understand as their value
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to just replacing that while we're in there,
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and so anticipate having that discussion as well
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of the council.
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And if we did, that would be covered
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under our existing road project.
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The money that we have, that's where that money would come from.
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We would have to have a discussion.
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If we were adding, I mean, the question is,
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what's the depth of the asphalt right now?
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If it's only inch and a half at the problematic,
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we'd want to have at least the forages.
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Yeah, and I think we have the depth of the asphalt.
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Sounds like we've had an OK gravel section throughout,
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so there's a couple of things we want to check as well.
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I'll make sure there are adequate gravel, where if you're just going to put the new asphalt on top, you want to make sure that gravel is made in talking to our inspector.
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I think it has been so far, but we want to confirm some of those things.
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And on that project, I also noticed that there was a little traffic triangles piece that was removed where cottage would
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the road fed into Vine Hill.
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Is that permanent?
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Was that on purpose?
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Was that incidental or what's the back story there?
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It was on purpose as they had to bring
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that pipe around the corner.
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So we couldn't manage the two phases.
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And so to keep traffic moving,
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we had to take that island out
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so we could get to a traffic around their trench safely.
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So they'll be replacing it.
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They do.
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That was really good.
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They took it out for safety.
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So we could save people.
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I don't know if it was helpful or not
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from a safety or traffic flow but I noticed it was gone but it will be replaced.
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But it was purposefully, yeah.
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We'll say to you, just the way we had last Friday the Montgomery stormwater seemed
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to be working well.
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Yeah.
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That went out there Friday.
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Oh, well done.
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Yeah.
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It was well done.
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It was filling up and doing its jobs.
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We went out Friday to make sure it was raining like that.
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It should.
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So we did the same.
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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It worked really well.
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That's what it is.
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There's still more to be done on that.
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There's some small stuff. They have put the stairs up between the lower parking lot and the upper parking lot.
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Some of the rip rap needs to be re-graded, but no significant work, like the big infrastructures in New York.
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The roadway itself is getting paved tomorrow.
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Oh yeah.
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The parking lots as well.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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Good.
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Yeah, we've been in contact with the
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property owners that live in that
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area that came in to talk to the
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council about a year or so ago.
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A lot of communication with them.
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They're really excited about the
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project.
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We met Kunal out there, for example,
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on Friday.
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And they reach out probably once
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every week and once every two weeks.
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But it's been fun watching their
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engagement as this has been built.
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and then with the Friday rain being able to stand out there and have them see
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how it's going to be different. It's been four years or plus so we've been talking about this.
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It's great to be able to help with financing through some grant funding and whatnot so that's perfect.
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Yeah, it took a long time to work out all the details and again I want to thank
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Cal for your church for cooperating and allowing us the easement to build upon and do that work and our friends at the
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We had a lot of people that helped contribute financially to make that a successful project because, again, it's $600,000.
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It was more than our stormwater fun-good handles, so I want to thank them for that as well.
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We should recap that in the newsletter.
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That's a good story.
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That is good story and the council's change of direction, right?
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From the underground system to coming up with the idea for this new affordable.
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Yeah, and the cost and how much was paid for.
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In the maintenance.
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By.
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This will be a lot easier to.
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Other entities.
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Okay.
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Good.
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Anybody got anything else?
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If not, we'll entertain them.
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We'll make the motion to adjourn.
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Second.
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The move in second, is there any further discussion?
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Hearing none, all in favor say aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Opposed?
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Motion carries.
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We stand adjourned.
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