[0:00] And they will be reviewing the goes of Jackson and Policies for those elements, and at this time, I'll turn it over to Kathy and Jason from Access and J.B. Pro.

[0:13] Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Jordan.

[0:18] And Vice Mayor.

[0:21] As mentioned tonight, we are in workshop 6. We're going to do a quick recap of the feature land use.

[0:28] address some of the comments that we heard after the meeting, go through the economic development

[0:32] element, the parks and recreation element, the infrastructure element, and then talk about

[0:37] what is coming next. We would ask if you have it with you, if you could keep the goals of

[0:44] tourism policies for these three elements open. That way, if you have any questions, we can

[0:49] address them at the time that you're asking. But just like last month, if you have additional

[0:55] comments after the meeting. We will address those at next month's meeting.

[1:04] So here we are

[1:05] in workshop six. The last workshop you may recall was the first time we started going through

[1:11] goals of objectives and policies. And for the next three months we will continue to do that

[1:16] before we transmit at the end of the year.

[1:20] So we recap on the mixed use. These were some of the

[1:23] comments we received after the meeting. The first one dealt with density and rural possible

[1:28] parcels and just to remind everyone that all the density we're talking about in these mixed

[1:34] use areas are in urban areas. That's the point of a mixed use area. We will get into the general

[1:40] standards for all of the other future land use elements and components and areas at next

[1:46] months meeting future land use outside of the mixed use areas is one of the primary focuses for

[1:52] month along with transportation. So, and housing. So, in these areas, we're really focusing

[2:01] on increasing the density to these mixed-use areas. We know that mixed-use areas work best

[2:06] when they have a greater amount of density. That's what makes a mixed-use area of really thrive

[2:11] is that you're focusing your density into these larger area into these specific core areas.

[2:17] It does two things for community.

[2:20] One, it targets that development and targets that vibrant sense of place that you expect

[2:25] to see in a mixed use area, say, makes use like a downtown deland, which is another community

[2:32] we're working with.

[2:35] And I actually went this morning this afternoon just to walk around and get that sense of

[2:40] that vibrancy and compare and think about how that translates to tonight's meeting.

[2:44] So, you want to see the density in these focus areas that will allow for lesser density

[2:50] in suburbanized residential neighborhoods and gives the families that live in those single

[2:56] family neighborhoods that quality of life that they really want in the rural areas, the

[3:00] quality of life they want. By focusing the development into these central mixed use areas,

[3:05] we're able to maximize the development that happens in there. We're also able to increase the

[3:11] economic activity of these areas, another community I visited today, was in a more rural

[3:17] community and they have a lot of vacancies and one of the major things that I was talking

[3:23] about with the community there was, where's the workforce, where are the jobs and that's a challenge

[3:30] you have and makes use. If you don't have the, if you don't have the vibrancy, if you don't have

[3:35] the activity, if you're not pulling in those economic activities into those areas, you have a lot

[3:40] They can store friends and they just don't work as well.

[3:44] So, and as we think about what could happen with Amendment 3,

[3:48] while we don't know whether or not Amendment 3 will pass,

[3:51] having these economic areas and having these areas that really

[3:54] strive for economic development, which we're going to talk about more in detail

[3:57] in just a little bit, is really important.

[4:00] The next one was about building heights and nine stories for uptown.

[4:06] Again, we, this is specifically for your downtown community

[4:10] And nine stories was based on similar types of communities that we worked with that we looked at.

[4:19] And similar types of places that we looked at in the Central Florida region.

[4:24] So when we looked at the nine stories, this is specifically for your uptown downtown town center,

[4:30] whatever you want to call that major area of your community.

[4:35] These aren't the smaller mixed use centers.

[4:37] these aren't your community mix center use centers, or your neighborhood mix centers.

[4:42] This is the one that is meant to be the most economically diverse and vibrant place.

[4:49] And then developer impact and excessive density.

[4:54] The comprehensive plan establishes a maximum density for these areas, but once again.

[5:00] Again, these areas are meant to be as dense as we possibly can make them and appropriate for that mixed use category.

[5:08] So that's why we have three different mixed use categories. We have the neighborhood, we have the community, and we have the uptown and each one of them has different density standards for each type,

[5:18] because each one is meant to be different. So your neighborhood next to center has the least amount of density, and it's meant to be one story, two story buildings,

[5:26] very much of a main street type area, a community main street area that you would go to.

[5:33] The community mix, your centers, those have a little more density of a little more

[5:36] high up to five and six stories, depending if it's on the corridor or if it's on the

[5:41] downtown area, but in these areas are meant to serve the greater, a larger community area,

[5:47] but they're again, not meant to be your focused downtown, and then your focused downtown,

[5:51] your uptown, your town center has the greatest amount of density, great amount of intensity,

[5:59] but it's in a very strategic location, located near the interchange with I-4, and designated

[6:07] as the future commercial center near your industrial area, near where your warehousing is,

[6:14] where the high school is, where your hospital is, this is an area that really is meant

[6:21] to drive your economic development for that you would expect a downtown Uptown Town Center to do so.

[6:33] I want to one more comment about the developer impact and excessive density is that it is.

[6:40] So mixed use development is a little bit more challenging for developers to do and it is that density intensity that incentivizes them to do it.

[6:50] There are a lot of, it's much easier for a developer to do a suburban strip Plaza, it's much easier for them to do the traditional types of economic development that we see in suburban communities.

[7:06] So in order to incentivize the mixed use development, which is a little more challenging, that's where the density comes in place.

[7:13] So in fact, the comment dealt with, we were giving away too much density for developers and in

[7:19] fact that is what incentivize them to want to develop these kind of areas.

[7:26] The next one dealt with modifying and reducing the densities in the eco centers and

[7:31] conservation lands and what we're going to do is work with staff to create an overlay area,

[7:37] specifically targeting where residential is allowed in these areas and applying the density only

[7:44] to those areas so that anything outside of those areas

[7:47] would not have the density attached to it.

[7:51] The next comment with Osteen J.P.A. area,

[7:54] and the economic centers and densities in building height,

[7:57] and these areas, and we're going to, again, work with staff

[8:01] so we'll come back to you with more details on this one.

[8:05] But the economic center in the J.P.A.A. Osteen area

[8:09] was meant to mirror the J.P.A, and we're going

[8:12] make sure that the language does that.

[8:16] And then mapping and location clarifications and we've added new details to the map.

[8:22] We've added some streets.

[8:23] We've added some key markers so that people can tell where the map, where they are on

[8:27] the map.

[8:31] So this is just, this is, this is not really to get into today again.

[8:35] We're going to talk more in detail about this, this was staff, but the blue areas on the map

[8:42] on the left are the Osteen areas that are within the city and so we're going to work with staff

[8:49] to make sure that the however we end up including this in the future land use map whether it's

[8:56] in through an economic center or whether it's just through the Osteen JPA designation. It is not

[9:04] to in any way change what is already existing and the entitlements that already exist in that area

[9:10] through the GPA.

[9:14] So if there are no further questions about last month's meeting we'll

[9:17] start talking about this month's meeting.

[9:21] I don't see any questions. Thank you. Okay. So just once again

[9:26] I was a reminder we established our guiding principles as part of the vision plan and they were

[9:31] to support Deltone's family-friendly identity to prioritize redevelopment over new development

[9:38] by focusing growth to areas that are already served by infrastructure and services.

[9:44] To cultivate a walk-able mixed use environment, we're people of all ages, can safely access

[9:50] live workplace, shop, and grow within walking distance of their homes.

[9:55] to cultivate an economy economy.

[10:00] A, a, a, a economy, the features a diverse range of industrial industries and jobs to enhance

[10:10] the autonomous transportation system by prioritizing safety, improved connectivity and accommodating

[10:17] all major forms of motorized and non-motorized travel, and to protect autonomous natural resources.

[10:25] And then finally to maintain and prioritize maintaining and enhancing the quality of life.

[10:29] of Delton is existing public facilities over expansion and law

[10:33] of ensuring new developments are sufficiently assessed for the cost of infrastructure expansion.

[10:41] And please keep in mind these colors are purposeful because we mark each one of the goals of

[10:46] Jackson and Policies with the corresponding guiding principle that they are achieving.

[10:52] So,

[10:55] with that we're going to start with the economic development element, I will go through the

[11:00] I'm a development element because it's again closer related to the mixed-use centers.

[11:05] And as I mentioned earlier, it really is the economic development that is driving the

[11:09] development of those mixed-use centers in addition to being able to provide that walkability

[11:13] within close relationship to neighborhoods by ensuring that areas that are developed and

[11:20] howdy haven't for structure are maximized.

[11:22] All of those things drove that mixed-use center, but in the end what's really driving it

[11:28] recognizing that Deltona is predominantly today a single family neighborhood, a large

[11:34] single family area, and we really need to increase the amount of economic land and the

[11:39] economic value that is coming out of Deltona and providing families and opportunity to

[11:45] live work and play in their community and not become just a, not having to commute outside

[11:52] for their jobs.

[11:55] So the driving components of economic development were higher wage job growth, mixed use centers

[12:01] in those corridors, infrastructure mobility for commerce and workforce talent and higher education.

[12:09] So let's start with goal 1, which is diverse highway job growth, develop strategic resources

[12:16] to foster a healthy and stable economic environment with diverse higher wage job growth

[12:21] and enhances the quality of life for delta-ness citizens.

[12:27] An objective 1.1 is targeted industry recruitment.

[12:32] The first policy in that section is economic development,

[12:36] planning and partnerships.

[12:37] This deals with ensuring that as we grow our economic development,

[12:41] we work with our partners to do so.

[12:44] The next one is land development entitlements,

[12:46] and this is to make sure that the objective and associated

[12:50] policies deals with making sure that we have the appropriate

[12:53] plans for economic development, business retention and expansion, recognizing that the easiest

[13:00] grab job to expand is the one that is already here. It is always cheaper to retain

[13:09] and expand an existing business and it is to attract a new one. And then understanding

[13:14] that those industries that we target need to have an associated workforce that is related to

[13:19] are there any questions about economic development objective one?

[13:27] No questions on ED1.

[13:30] The next objective in economic development dealt with business retention expansion and

[13:35] on-term partnership.

[13:36] The first policy deals with identifying opportunity sites, and this is, again, targeting

[13:41] specific sites that we would like to identify for the future growth and development of existing

[13:47] businesses, program and vacancies, incentivizing new businesses, and intergovernmental coordination.

[13:56] Are there any questions or comments about economic development objective too?

[14:01] Commissioner Nobick.

[14:04] Under the opportunity to cite identification,

[14:08] where infrastructure is a major factor in that.

[14:15] Yes, that's right.

[14:16] utilities, gas, water sewer, how do we, where do we write that in as far as, who's paying

[14:27] for that, what mechanisms and trade-offs are available,

[14:33] cost-sharing, particularly, so if somebody

[14:36] is going to require a eight-inch water line, but it makes sense to put a 12-in, how do we

[14:44] sure that there's the ability to cost share that that's a great question some of that is also

[14:49] touched upon in the infrastructure element related to those those utilities that we'll touch on a

[14:54] little bit we're trying to not obviously you got to be careful of how specific you get in these policies

[15:00] I think you make a great point of, you don't want to spell that out exactly, and it have applied to everything, because every project is going to be different.

[15:08] I think what staff has worked with us on, and I think their feedback has been, you know, put in place some policies that call out tools that we want to be able to use, and then through whether it's strategic planning, master planning of your utilities or other things like that, that you can, you can do the specifics through those options.

[15:26] So, you'll see a lot of that in these elements where it's not deferring to, but it's saying,

[15:32] you're basically on the road for making sure your master plans and other things are updated,

[15:35] and you'll do the details through there.

[15:39] Thank you.

[15:41] That's a great point of identifying those areas in opportunities where if we're going to have to knock an

[15:46] off a development not just for this one project, but the greater mixed use area or center or what have you.

[15:51] Yeah, because you don't want to run a 6-inch natural gas line down Fort Smith out towards

[16:00] how in Boulevard, because they only need a 6-inch print-end user.

[16:04] You want to have it upsized enough at the beginning so that you can feed and branch off

[16:10] and have enough availability for the second-third fourth project without having to rerun the line.

[16:16] Right. And then you have the flip side to that too, where you don't want to

[16:21] I have a lot of companies that end up dumping water.

[16:23] They open their fire hydrants, and they have to cycle the water.

[16:26] You don't want to get into situations like that.

[16:27] So I think those details in that planning,

[16:29] plus you got budget issues, pop up from time to time legislation,

[16:33] you want to make sure that you're empowered to make those decisions

[16:36] when needed, and that's kind of what the policies are trying to do

[16:39] rather than specify exactly.

[16:41] You shall up size, I think that'll get you kind of in a spot

[16:44] where you may not want to in a certain situation.

[16:47] And we're trying to be that specific.

[16:49] I think this highlights, this also highlights the importance of commissions moving forward and

[16:56] staff moving forward with updating our master plants, whether it be storm water, wastewater, water,

[17:03] even parks and wreck and trails and all of those things as well as they're not just for that single

[17:10] subject matter, they also play into the larger discussion over guiding, guiding development

[17:16] to the appropriate areas. Yes. And we've had that discussion before about trying to use this plan as

[17:22] business budgeting tool is a guide tool, right? So that you can continue to do those more specifics

[17:27] on every five years cycle, 10 years cycle, whatever it may be that's appropriate for that plan.

[17:34] And remember by doing that, which this way, this comprehensive plan is set up with

[17:40] with staff is that you're more nimble in your localized plans, your parks plan, your infrastructure

[17:47] plan, your capital impermanence plan. You have a lot more control over those so don't get reviewed

[17:52] by the state. So by establishing a framework that those things happen here in the Comprehensive

[17:59] Plan but making the details available in the specific special area plan is more is a more strategic

[18:07] way of using the documents for you is staff, and I don't know George and that was something

[18:13] that we discussed a lot.

[18:15] Do you want to come any further on that?

[18:18] Are there any other commissioner questions, P&D questions?

[18:22] Seeing none.

[18:23] We can move on.

[18:25] The next objective in economic development deals with small business development initiatives.

[18:31] First one is business training and mentorship, which includes business roles and best practices

[18:36] and resource availability education, this is recognizing that small businesses need access

[18:44] to training that a lot of small businesses are started by people who are really good at what

[18:49] they do, but they may not be great at running a business in this provides opportunities for them

[18:53] to get the training they need to make sure that their business can thrive. The next one dealt with

[18:58] working capital access through incubators and co-fit working facilities in any greater space

[19:04] as public private partnerships, recognizing that small businesses, if they start out as an incubator,

[19:09] they can get that training, they can get the resource, they can get the support they need,

[19:12] and then eventually move out of the incubator into a stand free standing site alone.

[19:19] The next one dealt with affordable incentive programs and communities lending initiatives in equity.

[19:26] Are there any questions? Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

[19:30] And just to be clear, because we've had this question through this process,

[19:34] these are not all things that you have to do.

[19:36] These are things that is encouraging you to participate,

[19:39] partner with, you've got other agencies that do some of this.

[19:42] It's just being at the table and making sure that these types of

[19:46] these types of programs are happening.

[19:48] It doesn't mean you budget-wise have to do them necessarily.

[19:52] It's a really good point.

[19:55] Any questions about this objective?

[20:00] Objective 4 deals with implementation monitoring and reporting, and again, this talks about a special area, plan a small area plan to establish a five year economic development strategy and action plan.

[20:14] Again, this is a low, this is what we just talked about, having a localized special area plan that you as the city can really control and develop and implement outside of the comprehensive plan.

[20:26] conference, the plan establishes the framework for within which that special area plan for

[20:32] economic development is developed, but then you do it on its own. And then an annual economic

[20:38] development performance report, this is similar to other performance reports that you're

[20:42] going to hear about that we're recommending and this is just a yearly update that acknowledges

[20:48] and gives you track about how this plan is being implemented. In the last month, we had somebody

[20:55] ask a question, how do we know that what we're hearing about is going to be implemented.

[21:00] These one-year implementation monitoring reports will give you a sense of how the

[21:06] complaint, once you've adopted it, is being implemented over time.

[21:11] Did you have anything else on it?

[21:13] Any other questions on this objective?

[21:19] And on that, we will go to goal 2, which is promote economic development through land

[21:24] strategies create business friendly opportunities through appropriate language regulations,

[21:29] and prioritize economic development efforts. Objective one under goal two is predictable

[21:38] processes in land development code that ensures that as businesses come forward, that they know

[21:44] the processes and procedures that will be implemented through the land development code and that

[21:49] It is seamless for them and easy for them to understand.

[21:54] The next one is flexible development standards for emerging businesses.

[21:58] This allows for flexibility as the implement items still giving the city enough for

[22:05] standards that allow the standards to be done the way the city needs them to be done.

[22:09] But flexibility, because not one size does not fit all.

[22:13] The next one is about preservation of industrial and commercial land uses.

[22:17] Again, we've stressed this throughout the day, is that you don't have a lot of economic

[22:24] land uses, you don't have a lot of areas that are zoned or have an at land use for commercial

[22:33] industrial or other economic uses and so therefore maintaining those protecting those is really

[22:39] critical for you, especially if something like a property tax bill which reduced the productivity

[22:45] burden off of residential or to be past because then you would need to really look at those

[22:52] economic land uses and as a main driver for how you fund your city and the services

[22:59] that are provided.

[23:02] The next one deals with flexible design for use conversions.

[23:06] This is just again ensuring that as you move forward, that you have established design

[23:12] work that works for the entire city, but is flexible to meet the needs of an individual property owner.

[23:19] Targeted industry lists. This is a list of businesses and targeted industries that are really important to the city

[23:25] and has the workforce, has the infrastructure, has the land use, has the transportation system, all of those things are interconnected.

[23:34] So each industry has specific resources and needs that they have and understanding what your community best fits

[23:42] and then targeting industries that use those best fits, not and don't go after industries that

[23:48] don't fit what Delton is.

[23:52] The next one deals with distribution centers and freight land uses as well as public arts

[23:58] and wayfinding and branding all of this again going to understanding who is Deltona and

[24:03] how do you make sure that Deltona, that the industry is an economic land uses in Deltona

[24:09] best fit your resources.

[24:13] Are there any questions on this?

[24:16] I know this is one that we've talked about in the past and people seem to have understood

[24:21] the idea that understanding who Deltone is and developing a five-year strategy that deals with

[24:29] those industries is going to be really important for you and your economic development strategy

[24:33] is moving forward.

[24:36] I see no questions.

[24:37] Thank you.

[24:39] The next subject of under goal 2 is mixed use centers in redevelopment.

[24:45] We've talked a lot about this recently and will continue to because this is one of the major changes in this year in this plan update

[24:52] and one of the major framework components of this year's comprehensive plan update.

[24:58] So the first one is a creation.

[25:01] The next one is understanding the land use within the mixed-use centers and corridors. The next one deals with economic development tools and public partnerships.

[25:11] This is, again, what Jason was mentioning, that this isn't all stuff that is expected to be done by the city.

[25:16] The city establishes the framework. The city identifies where the mixed-use centers are and ensures that it has the right land use structure, which will be translated into the right land of element code structure,

[25:27] to implement those mixed-use centers, but then you work with partnerships to actually make them happen.

[25:36] Recognizing that pedestrian scale is a business development strategy that goes to what we talked about earlier,

[25:42] that mixed-use centers are really dependent on people in active use.

[25:46] These are not drive-through communities.

[25:48] They are not meant to be for cars.

[25:52] They are meant to be for people, unbikes, unwalking,

[25:56] that when you walk through the future of the town center,

[26:00] or the neighborhood center of the Main Street in Deltona,

[26:04] that you're going to see people congregating.

[26:06] You're going to be people outside walking from business

[26:09] to business.

[26:10] You're going to see people carrying their bags

[26:14] that they've bought from places.

[26:16] This is very much of a people-scaled development pattern.

[26:24] Public grounds, this catalyst, recognizing that people are attracted to public spaces.

[26:30] Special events, again, that special events draw people, and it is often one of the leading indicators of a developing mixed use center.

[26:40] You're going to have a lot of special events

[26:43] in those kind of activities.

[26:45] They will help bring people to the area.

[26:47] They will help identify businesses, identify business

[26:50] potential, and then decide that they want to locate there.

[26:54] And that's what takes a downtown area

[26:57] from high vacancy rate to a low vacancy rate

[27:02] in a high activity rate.

[27:05] Makes use developments.

[27:06] This talks about the types of developments we expect

[27:08] and makes use infrastructure that goes to this conversation we've already had today that talks

[27:13] about making sure that the infrastructure is in place so that a new developer who comes in doesn't

[27:19] have to provide that infrastructure that you work with grant funding and other resources to put

[27:27] the infrastructure in place so that it's there when they need it. And then finally, creating an

[27:33] town business and entertainment area that will really draw people to a town center area

[27:39] for the future of Deltona. Is there any other questions about the mixed use?

[27:50] The next objective, the next objective, the objective three under the goal to deal with economic

[27:57] development review and approval process. First of all, expedited reviews, expedited reviews,

[28:02] are reviews that are done on an expedited way.

[28:06] They have established criteria.

[28:09] If a developer meets those criteria,

[28:11] if they achieve what is being asked of them,

[28:14] then they can get an expedited review.

[28:16] This takes the reduces the time and reduces the cost.

[28:20] But at the same time, it increases the predictability

[28:23] for the city.

[28:24] That's why a city would do an expedited review.

[28:28] So an expedited review isn't just about giving away processes

[28:32] to develop or incentivizing the developer, it's about ensuring that you are getting the kind

[28:37] of development you want, and that's why there's allowance for the expedited review to happen.

[28:44] The next one would be fast-tracking high-wage projects, again, that you recognize some projects

[28:50] are really important to the city and then providing a process through which those could be evaluated

[28:56] did in streamlined? Any questions about objective three and or economic development goal too?

[29:04] I have a question. When we're talking about these expedited review processes in expedited approvals,

[29:12] what is the mechanism in place or would be put in place to govern those expedited approvals?

[29:18] Land development code would be used as the tool to establish them. So you would establish the

[29:23] standards, the standards, the criteria, and the process specifically in the land of

[29:28] almond code.

[29:29] So that's where we would discuss what is considered a high wage project or high wage

[29:36] jobs.

[29:36] We would define those there.

[29:38] You would define the criteria by which you could evaluate them and then you would then

[29:42] such a project would be brought to the city and determine if it meets those criteria.

[29:47] But it wouldn't necessarily be a one-size-fits-all.

[29:49] you would still, you, you is the city council or the future city council would not be giving away their right to evaluate those.

[29:57] Those could come, those would be a criteria established in this.

[30:05] Any other questions? That is different than the expedited review though the expedited review would have criteria that would allow those to move forward. If they've meet those criteria.

[30:22] To move forward with the development and circumvent city council approval?

[30:26] No, to move forward with the expedited approval.

[30:30] To City Council for Manila approval.

[30:33] Right.

[30:34] Thank you.

[30:38] Yep.

[30:39] Objective four under goal two deals with implementation monitoring, reporting.

[30:44] This is similar to goal the goal four under objective one, phase implementation program

[30:49] and identify how these programs and incentives and criteria would be established and phased in.

[30:58] understanding economic development projects for capital improvement planning,

[31:02] understanding that, again, if you're going to put infrastructure in place,

[31:06] if you're going to put in land use is in place, if you're going to put in

[31:11] transportation systems in place, those may have a cost associated with them,

[31:14] so they need to be part of your capital improvement planning projects.

[31:18] And then finally, CRA alternatives and this deals with

[31:21] If CRA were to sunset, would the alternatives could be there for any questions?

[31:31] The CRA would not understand that CRA's sunset could be because it's sunset because of the year.

[31:40] And the renewal process, it could also sunset because the state for the last few years has considered sunsetting all CRAs.

[31:50] So, just ensuring that you as a city are prepared if and when your CRAs were to sunset and that you have a different tool that could accomplish the same types of goals.

[32:05] Economic development goal 3 deals with site infrastructure mobility.

[32:11] And this goal is to maintain the city's effort to establish and provide public services and infrastructure to sites designated to be suitable for the accommodation of economic development as well as to main Canadian concurrency.

[32:25] A objective one under goal three is updating infrastructure and economic development, recognizing

[32:34] that you need to expand your utility services, and making your infrastructure priorities

[32:40] in the mixed-use and commercial areas.

[32:42] We've talked about both of these types of policies earlier.

[32:53] The next objective deals with transportation access and mobility and similar to

[32:59] the infrastructure this is about ensuring that transportation and transit connectivity is provided

[33:05] to our economic center areas. It deals with the Rhode Island expansion and the first and last

[33:12] mile connections to make two centers and corridors. Any questions?

[33:20] I see no questions.

[33:22] The next objective under goal three deals with implementation monitoring reporting and the first

[33:27] one is inventorying priority employment sites for

[33:31] interest structure needs, this is identifying where you

[33:34] would want those infrastructure systems and how do you

[33:37] need them updated, this goes to earlier discussions about

[33:43] ensuring that those infrastructure systems are in place when

[33:46] you need them.

[33:47] Sites enhancement fund, this is how you would fund those

[33:50] infrastructure improvements and then broadband and

[33:54] communications infrastructure recognizing that broadband

[33:57] and communications infrastructure are as important today as water sewer transportation.

[34:06] The final goal is about workforce talent and a higher education to develop and retain

[34:12] our skilled workforce to support targeted industries and higher wage employment.

[34:19] The first objective deals with the pipeline for talent, education and career pathways through

[34:24] the establishment of vocational training partnerships after school programs.

[34:28] internships, connections, dual enrollment programs, green sector and technology, incentivized

[34:35] training and apprenticeships, satellite programs, and training, and professional networking

[34:39] programs.

[34:42] Any questions?

[34:47] Objective two deals with workforce development and a lot of this deals with partnerships.

[34:53] We recognize these are not things that the city would do by itself but that they would

[34:56] create the partnerships to make sure they get accomplished.

[34:59] Thank you.

[35:00] Through workforce action program, higher wage focus, STEM focus, linkages between industry clusters, partners in the action plan, entry and disadvantage, workforce support, strengthening the city's role and workforce development organizations, addressing workforce skill gaps, through partnerships, attracting skill workers in the creative class and addressing workforce dependent care needs.

[35:25] Are there any questions about this objective?

[35:31] I see no questions for this objective.

[35:33] And at that, I'm going to turn it.

[35:36] Before we move on to the other elements, Cathy would you mind explaining to the Commission

[35:42] how the economic development is not a mandated element by the state?

[35:47] Yeah, the economic development is an optional element.

[35:51] The state perscribes specific specific elements that need to be and must be in your

[35:57] Comprehensive Plan.

[35:58] The next two are next two that we're going to go through with the Parks and Infrastructure

[36:03] are both required elements.

[36:05] Economic development is an optional element but we felt that it's such an important foundational

[36:13] item for Deltona being that Deltona, as we talked about through the vision component,

[36:19] is a predominantly commuter community where it's mostly residential living here and then you're

[36:27] commuting out and we really think economic development is critical to bringing in and improving

[36:33] your tax base but also providing people opportunities to work near their homes.

[36:38] And we currently have an economic development element currently, we're just up to it and we have a question from

[36:52] I just wanted to circle back to the building height for the uptown where we were talking about nine stories.

[37:01] I had brought this up at the last workshop. But since then we've had a recent planning and zoning meeting where amendments to the

[37:16] local building to be up to the same height as any building within a one-mile radius.

[37:24] One-mile radius, or Jim, if you can click on this, it's three stories.

[37:28] Is it three stories?

[37:30] One-mile radius, or three stories.

[37:32] Okay, so wouldn't be that within one-mile radius, there could be 20 other nine-story

[37:37] buildings.

[37:37] That's what I wanted to confirm.

[37:41] So three is only up to three stories.

[37:44] And staff can go back and look at the statute.

[37:49] Okay, if we could please just to make sure that's just something I would really want to make sure of.

[37:54] All right, and I'll second that, because that again sounds like this state legislature.

[37:58] Preemptions and urban sprawl within our community without local say.

[38:05] Yeah.

[38:09] Are we getting anything else any other comments up to this point?

[38:12] Okay, so I'll go over a couple of recreation element.

[38:17] Go one, Parks and Recreation Open Space and Trails, expand and improve and maintain

[38:21] an integrated resilient and all-age park recreation trails and open space system that supports

[38:27] community health, environmental stewardship, economic vitality, and quality of life for residents,

[38:33] protects natural resources and strengthens, deltones quality of life through 2050.

[38:40] So, the first objective under there is dealing with level of service.

[38:44] All your comprehensive plans and concurrency related items have to have level service adoptive as part of them

[38:50] So you got your first policy total available park and recreation lands

[38:54] Park and recreation facility classifications a lot of this was using what you already had

[39:00] We just changed the format to make it shorter

[39:03] Put it in a table versus a lot of words

[39:06] Annual capacity calculation your 10 to 15 minute access policy if you don't mind one second

[39:12] Can you reference what page in the packet we're on?

[39:16] Oh, I think it's the third one.

[39:18] Sorry, it was out of order from yours.

[39:21] So the recreation element should be like there are parks.

[39:26] Sorry about that.

[39:27] No problem.

[39:29] Yeah, I realized afterwards what we did this

[39:31] what order you had your packet in.

[39:32] So that's my fault.

[39:33] Oh, good.

[39:34] Thank you very much.

[39:35] Sorry folks, you all there?

[39:37] OK.

[39:37] Yes, that was, yeah.

[39:39] We did this slide challenge at order.

[39:40] Sorry about that.

[39:42] 10 to 15 minute access, level of service, service deficiency, and recreation facility development

[39:48] standards.

[39:51] Are there any questions related to that objective?

[39:56] No questions.

[39:57] Okay.

[39:57] And level of services is a balance, right?

[39:58] You want to have enough facility.

[40:00] All of these enough acreage to serve you population, but you also don't want to financially impact

[40:05] you negatively and commit to too much. Objective 2, Park Rehabilitation, I'm sorry,

[40:16] member

[40:16] Northe.

[40:20] How do we determine? Are we doing it by a person or how do we determine what we need

[40:31] in the way of parks and what do we include in that?

[40:34] What is it?

[40:35] That's a great question.

[40:36] So right now, the way that it's written is just keeping

[40:39] to what the way it has been, which is your acreage per

[40:42] thousand as a level of service measurement.

[40:45] I think we've had conversation to staff.

[40:47] And I've said this, I think, to you all before.

[40:50] There's other ways to refine that.

[40:53] And this is set up really to kind of address that

[40:57] and consider those other ways through your master planning process.

[41:03] And I just, an example that I use that other community, another community I work with has done,

[41:07] they've done a point system, they've established a minimum number of sport fields and sport courts,

[41:13] per part type, they've, their level of service in their plan is acreage-based,

[41:17] but through their master plan they've decided to go even further dig down deeper to measure.

[41:23] So, so, for right now, through the year 50, 50, 50, we're still doing 4.5 acres of suitable

[41:30] park reputation, open space land per thousand residents.

[41:35] Okay.

[41:37] And what does open space mean to me, or to the person who is looking at the complaint?

[41:45] What does open space mean?

[41:47] Well, generally, it's defined as it could be a passive open space, it doesn't have to

[41:51] an active recreation space.

[41:54] For example, on conservation lands, I guess if they had some trails or something, that'd be a little bit of a passive.

[41:59] That'd be private or public.

[42:02] Generally, it'd be public or some kind of access easement or other kind of...

[42:06] It'd be a branch.

[42:08] I think they have 400 acres.

[42:10] They would not qualify.

[42:11] They would not be part of this process.

[42:13] No.

[42:14] At this time, no.

[42:15] But the trail system that runs along, like sure, does that count?

[42:24] You can, something to me is count the linear acreage.

[42:28] I'm sorry.

[42:28] Do we count it?

[42:30] Not at this point.

[42:31] That's what I'm going to be talking about.

[42:33] That's why I said there's other tools and ways to measure because you're not just,

[42:39] you're studying a standard because you have to, right?

[42:40] And so it's acreage based.

[42:42] But an empty park doesn't provide anything to that neighborhood, right?

[42:46] So the second level of that, which we didn't at this point want to put specifics in the plan to

[42:52] call out those details of how many playgrounds have to be in there, how many sport courts have to be there,

[42:57] that is more of a case by case park by park,

[43:01] operations, facilities and planning component.

[43:07] Yeah, that's where your parks, that's where your parks rest master plan details that are should.

[43:13] Does that make sense?

[43:14] Well, it's, I've been here since 74, we have not, and I'm not aware of any parks, maybe we have, but what we had a thormy park, trying to think of, if there was any other parks that we added outside of the Mackel parks that were here when they developed this community.

[43:37] So I just wonder about numbers.

[43:40] So, one thing we would be looking at in the future would be, as we developed the MIXU centers,

[43:46] each one of them had calls for a park space, a public space, to be included.

[43:50] It's a key component, as we talked about earlier, of your MIXU centers.

[43:55] So, and MIXU centers have different variety of parks than we might be otherwise used to,

[44:01] like, you would have a park park, which is a small, not even, you know, a very small area

[44:07] that you may have picnics tables or seeding your benches,

[44:11] maybe mere roles or something like that.

[44:15] So in the future, having this is really important

[44:19] because it's going to help design those public space.

[44:28] Yeah, so I mentioned this earlier,

[44:29] the balance is you can increase that number,

[44:34] but then it's still just acreage that you're measuring,

[44:37] but you're also putting more pressure on your budget.

[44:41] So those are the trade-offs that you have to kind of figure out.

[44:44] And I've been in many communities that have three times that number.

[44:47] They still don't have any facilities in their parks.

[44:49] So you've got to kind of find a way to do both and balance both.

[44:52] And we find that the master-playing process generally helps get it more specific.

[44:57] There's a life cycle that you can account for age of a neighbor.

[45:00] For her, that may be closer to that park and more users using it. There's lots of ways to that process to help get those details.

[45:08] It just seems to me that exactly that. Just saying we have 4.5 acres of suitable park recation, open space land per 1,000 redsons, doesn't really define what we have.

[45:21] Right, and it doesn't define how to use those parks or that space. You're right. You can go farther in detail

[45:27] The more detail you put in the plan

[45:30] The more budget impact you have and you have to do it right

[45:33] We have to help ourselves accountable for the quality life. Correct

[45:38] Thank you, member Northeat. We've got commissioner Novik and then commissioner Colwell

[45:45] You're you're good. Okay, commissioner Novik. So when we require a

[45:50] a park element and a subdivision, like in an HOA, does that count?

[45:58] No, because it's services the park element for that community.

[46:04] Right, so a lot of communities are also moving away from pocket parks and neighborhood parks

[46:09] as part of their operations and their level service.

[46:13] Because they don't want to maintain them, they're inefficient to maintain.

[46:15] So you know they're being provided perhaps if it's a land development code regulation

[46:20] if a subdivision over a certain size has to have so much acreage those are tools that

[46:25] doesn't count towards your level service, but it does provide a, well, any sort of community pools.

[46:32] And do those count because typically you have several subdivisions that have community pools.

[46:39] Right.

[46:39] Typically not, so you could argue that there's an underrepresentation of the actual acreage and

[46:46] uses of available to the community because those might not count towards the level of service,

[46:51] a need may be being met, but again, we don't want to say you have to have somebody pools or

[46:56] somebody trying to find that balance. But you should get, but we should get credit where they are

[47:02] provided. So it's not we're not deficient. Right. In that in that element. And the

[47:10] challenge in that is maintain maintenance and ownership right and and say they

[47:15] close the pool. Then what do you do? Then you've reduced your level of service.

[47:20] Well cities close pools and parks and things. So I mean that that doesn't hold water.

[47:26] I think we need to look at this a little bit more of this particular element and look and see

[47:33] defining it a little bit better of what qualifies and what doesn't because we require

[47:40] right now certain subdivisions to have based on their size, a certain amount of green space

[47:48] certainly the sidewalks and that could be considered trail or walkability within that

[47:57] within that community, can they meet that element and get credit for it by making it a six foot wide sidewalk versus four foot or you know, whatever.

[48:07] I think we need to look at this a little bit more.

[48:13] Am I under I want to make sure we understand that you're interested in

[48:18] ensuring that there's more opportunities provided and we're giving credit where credits do that.

[48:23] I think we need to make sure we're giving credit where credits do.

[48:26] Okay. So that we're not deficient in this element when a developer comes in and provides

[48:33] park amenities within that subdivision. I think that should give us credit.

[48:45] So Jordan, I've talked about this a couple of times now. So I think that that's reasonable and we can

[48:50] work on some language about a future analysis because currently your impact fee study is based on

[48:59] the way your level of service is done now, what would have to happen, what can't happen is,

[49:05] as we rotate through those cycles, when that gets updated again, you can start moving in that

[49:11] direction. You're not there yet, so I want to make sure we don't have policy that conflicts with that,

[49:15] but I think as part of this, we can do what you're asking, which is set you up for, by the way,

[49:19] next time around, let's make sure we're making sure all these studies align with what we want to accomplish

[49:24] And whether it's changed this or outdated, however you want to do it.

[49:28] Thank you.

[49:29] Yes, sir.

[49:31] Pastor, how are we doing?

[49:32] Thank you.

[49:33] We have some subdivisions that have been built with parks that are available to the entire public.

[49:38] If that is the case, can those possibly be counted because they are not excluding anyone.

[49:45] However, we have other ones where they are fenced off and only available to residents via keys and things like that.

[49:54] No, they're owned by the subdivisions, they're part of the plan.

[50:00] Some of that, I think we could go look and help the city, but some of that depends on the tool that was used to whether

[50:07] dedicate your grant rights or easements or what have you. That's an important part right.

[50:12] So, is it really open or people just used it. Right, that is a big difference there. So we'll follow up with staff and try to identify some of those

[50:19] and look at those examples. OK, thank you. That's a good point. I have one another question. Where does why fall in all of this are they

[50:27] Mr. Private or public or private?

[50:30] Private.

[50:31] Mr. Private, even if they get echo money?

[50:35] To, for membership?

[50:38] Yeah, I mean, they're not a publicly owned,

[50:40] is that you're talking about the facilities?

[50:43] Use of the facilities?

[50:45] Typically, they're not counted towards a level of service.

[50:51] So you can get in the weeds on this, right?

[50:54] So there's different communities, different things.

[50:55] Some communities.

[50:57] Bill courts and build things and do the programming and some just build the facilities and let

[51:02] an agency a different agency like a Y or Poison Girls Club or whoever else do the programming.

[51:08] It depends on what the community wants to do. Public money in white program in white infrastructure.

[51:16] Through Threko through the county's echo program. We just did fields over here in the YMCA here.

[51:26] You generally used for, I think, the soccer clubs, and I don't know what the cost is for the use of those fields, but I was just wondering because there was public money already there would that count.

[51:40] It can. I live where I live, there's a, there's a, the why actually seems the most thing they run programs at a publicly maintained and built field.

[51:50] in the soccer programs or football, whatever they were there, those are run by an offset of the

[51:55] Y. And so it is counts towards their park and rec level service, but it's programmed and run by an outside group.

[52:02] But that in that case it's owned by the public, and they do probably a maintenance cost share kind of situation.

[52:11] So what I'm hearing is that we'd all like to see an analysis on what is and is included in that.

[52:21] And then if I'm hearing correctly that we would all also like to see a more detailed adjustment to this specific policy so that it's not as vague as 4.5 acres per thousand residents that it calls out.

[52:41] Well, how's it going to go up right you want to increase your level of service? I think we want to increase the level of service

[52:48] With the details, okay, so that it's not just vague open space, right that everybody that you know a plethora of

[52:58] Opportunities or land uses can can meet it is more specific to

[53:03] parks and sports fields and actual amenities rather than

[53:08] You know, open space. Very broad. Do we know currently where we're at with the

[53:14] Monovakers utilized reports? I don't have an off hand here, but I think it was

[53:18] You meet your level of service at this point. Again, it's acreage-based.

[53:22] If I remember correctly, we meet it by a long shot using a vague approach of open space.

[53:27] It's also using the schools.

[53:29] Yeah, when you actually dive into what that includes, it doesn't include a significant amount

[53:36] of amenities. And if you compare us, amenity wise, to other similar communities, we appear

[53:43] rather deficient when it comes to a number of playgrounds, the age of playgrounds, the number

[53:50] of sports fields and things like that.

[53:53] And we've done, I've written those, those requirements for communities, but we did it through

[53:58] the master plan rather than in the plan itself, because it gave you more, gave them more

[54:04] budget flexibility and decision-making process, right?

[54:07] So that's that line you have to talk a little bit

[54:10] of being careful, because once it's in here,

[54:12] it's hard to get out understand.

[54:14] To piggyback on which Jason says, that's a,

[54:17] I mean, I applaud you for wanting to do that level

[54:20] of analysis, but if you put that kind of information

[54:25] in your comprehensive plan, then it becomes something

[54:29] that you would have to, you would be a state standard,

[54:31] And it's probably better to be addressed through a parks master plan where you can really dive into that at level of analysis and evaluate.

[54:40] You could also then evaluate whether or not your current level of service standards meet your community and you really focus specifically on that one targeted area.

[54:49] That's that is a very that's a perfect example of where a special area plan this this in this example a parks master plan would be

[55:00] The most appropriate tool to develop that kind of analysis and evaluation?

[55:04] Yeah, I don't think that. I think we're all on stage with this. I think the analysis

[55:09] requests is adjacent to this. I don't think it's intended to be included in this, but I think

[55:15] the goal of it is to maybe more define those recreational opportunities even within the plan,

[55:22] but once we have the analysis, we can have a more detailed discussion on what that would

[55:26] like the positives and negatives.

[55:28] So I think the analysis would be a policy to guide and guide staff to do it and now

[55:35] to sell it be a policy within the complaint and then that policy would then instruct staff

[55:40] to do the master plan.

[55:43] Absolutely good.

[55:44] I would.

[55:45] Okay.

[55:45] Yeah.

[55:46] So those are the places that it's policy to direct the master planning.

[55:48] The master plan then says, each of your parks need to be master plan, not just

[55:53] the park-wide system, wide master plan, and then that, a couple of those communities that work

[55:56] with them, that's what they do on a each park gets master plan with the community around

[56:01] it involved rather than doing it through just the policy.

[56:04] But the policy is like Jordan said guiding you for the master plan.

[56:07] To add context to the discussion, there's a lot of use of the term master plan when we're

[56:14] talking about the specifically parks master plans and overall master plan versus a master plan

[56:20] each park, each park, master plan could be,

[56:24] it could all be done at the same time.

[56:28] And the individual location master plans

[56:31] can be a component of the overall system master plan.

[56:35] Yes, that's right.

[56:36] Because I know a lot of residents

[56:38] when they hear master plans, they hear dollars out the door

[56:42] and a plan put on the shelf.

[56:43] So I want to make sure that that's not the case

[56:48] That has been, I don't want to negate what has happened in the past, but that is not the case and not the intention here and moving forward to her.

[56:59] And actually to piggyback up on that, that's where that annual reporting of what is happening and how each element is being updated and implemented would come and play because then through that annual update you would learn

[57:17] a policy like this that calls for this evaluation and master planning

[57:23] of parks, what the status is of that project and how it's being implemented.

[57:30] Excellent, thank you for that edition.

[57:32] The other, I guess one other point would be that once we do a master plan, because I'm not

[57:38] sure when the most recent parks master plan was done, I think it was about two years ago

[57:44] was your update to your park correct master plan?

[57:48] Yes.

[57:48] Okay.

[57:49] And then when we're talking about updating those updates to subsequent updates

[57:54] are significantly less costly.

[57:58] They're, they're,

[58:00] it's, we're not recreating it from scratch every single time.

[58:03] We're updating an existing plan.

[58:05] Right.

[58:06] And you're responding to population changes.

[58:09] You're responding to demographic changes.

[58:10] You're responding to opportunities that may have come up.

[58:12] rather than creating from scratch and sort of outlane, you know, tens of thousands of dollars every single time.

[58:18] Right, and it's also an opportunity to identify, oh, there's some policies here that maybe we need to tweak,

[58:24] so the recommendation can come from that to go update your comprehensive plan to change tweaks and policies

[58:28] and then you can do that process. Absolutely. That's typically how important. Thank you.

[58:32] We can move on. Okay. Objective two, Park Rhea, a pair of rehabilitation facility,

[58:37] quality and accessibility. Again, it's a talk about maintenance, ongoing maintenance, those sort of things.

[58:42] asset management program, life cycles, those types of things, keeping up with that.

[58:47] Officially condition assessments, capital improvement priorities for parks, phase

[58:52] park development, maintenance standards, engagement of, again, guiding staff, right?

[58:56] We're not dictating a specific level, but guiding to make sure these are on your

[59:01] checklist every year, engagement of multiple uses and activities at city parks, creation

[59:06] of inventory, of new resource-based park sites, and universal inclusive design policy guidance.

[59:12] to make sure your parks are for all people.

[59:15] Was there any, were there any questions related to those?

[59:18] I think it's very, along the lines,

[59:19] what you guys were starting to talk about.

[59:23] I don't think any questions on the board.

[59:24] Thank you.

[59:25] And then objective three, natural area, wildlife corridors,

[59:29] priority gap closure.

[59:31] I was, I was working with a city in the only place

[59:33] or wasn't a sidewalk, was in front of their park.

[59:37] No one could get to the park.

[59:39] Connected, don't do that.

[59:41] We don't have that.

[59:42] Prioritize those gaps, right?

[59:43] that's what we're talking about.

[59:44] Connected Trail Network and Trail Head Regional Multi-Use Trail

[59:47] and Trail Head Connectivity, Lake and Water Access.

[59:50] These ones are starting to connect to you, not just parks,

[59:53] but also the really the transportation system

[59:56] and beyond the parks.

[1:00:00] Any questions? Again, if there's anything any wording in these policies, today's a good day to point it out if you have some concerns or questions about these specific policies.

[1:00:11] We have no questions on paper.

[1:00:14] Objective four, undergo one recreation needs assessment, recreation by center type.

[1:00:20] Again, that's what is what, how do you plan and develop those individual parks, trail and pedestrian connections, and then ECO center recreation opportunities?

[1:00:36] Objective five education and program for all, so the programming for all, we just talked about that a little bit.

[1:00:42] Annual program evaluation, are you serving the needs of the community, basically, as with that is.

[1:00:47] Community program priorities, parks for all, public information and transparency, and setting you up for a adopt a park program.

[1:00:58] I have a question on the public information and transparency. How does that relate to the parks objective?

[1:01:05] You mean the education program for all the public information and transparency?

[1:01:14] Yes, yes.

[1:01:19] Was it the wording of it the misplaced?

[1:01:23] It's more of if we could we go over that one and a little bit more detail.

[1:01:31] I know that Jordan, is this document available on the web site yet?

[1:01:41] It's on grant access.

[1:01:43] I know that there's been a topic amongst some groups in the community as it relates to

[1:01:55] ADA accessibility on a larger conversation, and so this being the education and program for

[1:02:03] all, I would like to understand the public information and transparency components as it

[1:02:09] specifically relates to programming for all.

[1:02:15] So this one deals with making sure that the public is aware of how your parks are being

[1:02:20] used, what kind of schedules they're on, what kind of programs are available at them, with

[1:02:25] the conditions of the parks are, if there is a park that needs to be closed for some reason,

[1:02:30] because parks are some of the most used assets in your community.

[1:02:35] This policy is designed to ensure that people are aware of how those parks are available to them, and if there are any changes to programming or schedules.

[1:02:46] Okay, on wood section, kind of going back to the top of the list with section 155.1, the program for all would that be where we would include language that would be specific to ensuring that there was a component of parks within the system that were

[1:03:03] ADA accessible and sensory-type parks.

[1:03:07] Yes.

[1:03:08] Yes.

[1:03:09] It's already in that.

[1:03:11] Excellent.

[1:03:11] Thank you.

[1:03:12] And if I'm meant I just want to point out what one five six is because you

[1:03:16] the adoptive program as Jason has mentioned before that we looked for opportunities

[1:03:24] to ensure that we were identifying places where the city is working with people

[1:03:30] to allow for things to happen in adoptive park program is it one of the key.

[1:03:36] You turn where I

[1:03:49] see that we've got Commissioner Howington and Commissioner

[1:03:53] Novik on the list we're quick explanation we're running into an issue because more than

[1:03:59] four people want to speak at a time and so it's kicking people off.

[1:04:02] So if there's there are any other commissioners that want to speak or P&Z members

[1:04:07] Okay, after you guys finish, then we'll go to Mr. Halington.

[1:04:12] So the adaptive park program is a volunteer-based organization where a volunteer may be a

[1:04:20] friends of type organization would develop and would be responsible for maintaining or supporting

[1:04:25] the programming at a certain park.

[1:04:27] So that was all I wanted to point out about that particular policy.

[1:04:33] Thank you.

[1:04:34] So we currently have an adopt-apart program. How does this work with the program that we currently have?

[1:04:41] It's just, it's just promoting that adopt-apart program and ensuring that people are aware of it

[1:04:47] and that it allows for it to be expanded or enhanced. Okay, thank you.

[1:04:54] Commissioner Novik. Thank you.

[1:04:56] Not sure which element this would fit under. I'm thinking one dash five.

[1:05:00] Point 3, I'd like to see us in certain language in the plan that requires advisory committee.

[1:05:12] We, in the past, have had parks, advisory committees, and they've come and gone through different commissions.

[1:05:19] If we put it in the element in the plan, then it helps keep it.

[1:05:25] I think this is a very important area to have youth advisory committee, senior advisory committee to keep programs earned and moving forward.

[1:05:42] Move forward.

[1:05:45] Anybody else?

[1:05:46] Okay.

[1:05:46] No more questions.

[1:05:49] Objective six implementation funding.

[1:05:52] Five-year capital, five-year capital program, you hear that a lot.

[1:05:55] Capital Resources and Funding, Parks and Recreation, Impact Fees, Review of City Park Facility,

[1:06:02] User Fees, Annual Grant Program, Use of Non-City, Contractual Volunteer Services for Park Maintenance,

[1:06:08] and Joint Ventures, Encourage for Specialized Facilities.

[1:06:13] Anybody have any questions related to those?

[1:06:19] Commissioner North, remember North, did you have a question on this one?

[1:06:23] No, I don't have a turn to solve this one.

[1:06:26] Oh.

[1:06:31] Okay, no questions, thank you.

[1:06:34] Okay, objective seven monitoring and accountability,

[1:06:37] annual implementation report.

[1:06:38] You've heard that, trail performance reporting, annual monitoring,

[1:06:42] five-year master plan evaluation, network base analysis for

[1:06:46] level of service standard, park performance matrix,

[1:06:50] comprehensive plan coordination, implementation linkage,

[1:06:53] capital improvement monitoring, and major facility and land acquisition

[1:06:57] in evaluation.

[1:07:08] Do we have any questions?

[1:07:10] Okay.

[1:07:13] That is park and recreation.

[1:07:15] Right.

[1:07:18] Back towards the front.

[1:07:19] So your infrastructure.

[1:07:22] I will try not to give commentary on all these, because there's a lot of policies in

[1:07:25] here.

[1:07:25] It's a big one.

[1:07:27] This has basically sub elements to it.

[1:07:30] So we'll try to get through these.

[1:07:31] And if again, all of these components are trying to tie everything back.

[1:07:35] You'll see future land use, but you see us talk about land use decisions.

[1:07:39] And a lot of these elements to try to really support your mixed mixed use centers.

[1:07:44] Does anybody have any objection if we just go through the, all of the, the, each goal holistically and then we do questions at the end of each goal rather and the end of each objection.

[1:07:56] Okay.

[1:07:56] It's a long one.

[1:07:57] Let's make that pivot.

[1:07:59] Okay.

[1:07:59] So I will read all the policies.

[1:08:01] Potable, infrastructure one, potable water, provide a safe, reliable, cost effective, and sustainable public,

[1:08:07] Potable water system with sufficient supply, treatment, distribution, fire flow, and emergency

[1:08:13] interconnection capacity to serve existing in future development while conserving regional water sources.

[1:08:20] And then the first objective is, again, dealing with level of service and development capacity,

[1:08:25] mostly dealing with a potable water.

[1:08:30] Anybody have any questions about those policies?

[1:08:32] That will just go through if you can do it through all of your mind. I'm sorry.

[1:08:35] Yep, you did say that.

[1:08:37] Objective two, water supply system, facilities and coordination.

[1:08:41] A lot of consumptive use permits and amount of water that you're using, financing,

[1:08:47] special district assessment opportunities, concurrency and development orders,

[1:08:51] how it all relates to your reviews. Objective three is water conservation outreach

[1:08:59] and emerging technology,

[1:09:03] Florida-Friendlies in there, related to landscaping and conservation

[1:09:07] those types of policies, high water used to man. Thank you. Yep. So I need to stage for that.

[1:09:14] Objective four water reuse and alternative supply, looking for alternative supplies essentially,

[1:09:21] reclaimed. There's a lot of policies in here about reclaimed.

[1:09:24] Goal too is sanitary sewer. So it's a sustainable sanitary sewer systems.

[1:09:29] Did you want to stop at each, I'm sorry, did we want to stop at each sub element?

[1:09:33] Yeah, I think that'd be a good idea. We can stop and take questions.

[1:09:36] Yeah, because that's water, and then we'll go into sir.

[1:09:40] Member Diaka.

[1:09:42] That one, yeah.

[1:09:43] Sorry, just quickly circling back to reclaim water.

[1:09:48] So the first sentence, the city shall require the use of reclaim water by private landowners.

[1:09:56] How are we provisioning for if reclaim water is not available?

[1:10:00] Generally, you put in the infrastructure, developer puts in the infrastructure so that when it's available, they will be connected.

[1:10:07] Okay, so this would be for, so we're not requiring all residents to use reclaimed one, only when it's available.

[1:10:13] Right, and I believe there's a policy, I think it's worded, so it's not making the neighborhoods of residential lots connect to it unless there's a availability. It's going to be there.

[1:10:22] There's mostly forward development and new development.

[1:10:25] And it has what I mean by that's primarily the mixed-use centers.

[1:10:29] In general, you want them to put in the infrastructure so it's ready.

[1:10:32] If it's not there yet, or if you don't have the capacity or you're already using it.

[1:10:38] There's what happens if they end up sometimes they end up putting in wells and then using.

[1:10:41] No, that's fine. I just wanted to make sure, but the way the first sentence was worded,

[1:10:45] made it seem like we were requiring everyone to use reclaimed water for non-potable water activities.

[1:10:52] Well, we evaluate that language and make sure it's not doing that.

[1:10:57] To miss their novice.

[1:11:00] Water supplies present before certificate of occupancy, before construction permit.

[1:11:08] Concerncies has to be before construction permit because, for instance, fire protection water has to be available prior to construction.

[1:11:23] you can't you can't have it

[1:11:28] you have to have it before vertical construction occurs okay and then under minimum fire flow requirements should the word current

[1:11:38] be inserted before floor to fire prevention code which policy was it I'm sorry one dash 1.4 minimum fire flow requirements should it say current floor to fire prevention code currently adopted

[1:11:53] Florida Fire Prevention Code.

[1:11:56] Yes, most current.

[1:12:06] Thank you.

[1:12:07] To miss your howling.

[1:12:09] Thank you.

[1:12:11] To member Diereco's point,

[1:12:15] one dash for one for reclaimed water,

[1:12:17] and then also in one dash for three reclaimed water,

[1:12:22] uses permitted.

[1:12:24] The language seems rather strong,

[1:12:27] is talking about specifically for agriculture that reclaimed water must be used if it's available

[1:12:32] from the city. We might want to look at that verbage as well.

[1:12:37] Okay. The intent obviously is somebody if it's there. Right.

[1:12:40] You want people to utilize it. Yes. Okay.

[1:12:46] Okay.

[1:12:47] With regards to item 1-4.2 shallow irrigation wells should we not also include the language that we need to

[1:12:58] water management district requirements for that, as well, since well permits have to be issued

[1:13:03] from the WMD.

[1:13:08] Yeah.

[1:13:09] That's fine.

[1:13:09] Yes, fine.

[1:13:11] I'm always careful of quoting statutes and other things that change, but the reference to those

[1:13:16] agencies is fine.

[1:13:21] Any other questions?

[1:13:23] Are you getting this kind of?

[1:13:24] It's good.

[1:13:25] Thank you.

[1:13:25] Thank you for that.

[1:13:26] We're good.

[1:13:29] All right, Senator Suer provides safe adequate, cost effective, and environmentally acceptable

[1:13:33] sanitary sewer systems for the city of Deltona and your first objective is level of service

[1:13:38] surprise and development capacity setting your level of service and some connections there's

[1:13:47] some septic tank policies in there in criteria for centralized sewer versus septic tanks.

[1:13:53] It's a question on that.

[1:13:57] Remember, no, I think.

[1:13:59] Under 2

[1:14:03] -2-1.5, whatever that is.

[1:14:08] This requires all new residential and non-resistant

[1:14:12] developmental utilizing connect to a centralized water

[1:14:15] sewer system we're available.

[1:14:18] However, we are not mandating that when it becomes available,

[1:14:22] It's still less shall be voluntary.

[1:14:26] Why would we have sewer available?

[1:14:29] Consider where in the blue spring watershed,

[1:14:31] we have to get out the ground with sewer,

[1:14:36] excuse me, with septic tanks.

[1:14:38] So why is state law also, there's a state statute

[1:14:43] that requires that our sewer is available

[1:14:46] that septic permits are not allowed to be issued.

[1:14:50] So, can we just incorporate some of those state statute language into this policy?

[1:14:56] Yeah, well, yes, the intent obviously is a new subdivision coming in, they're going to connect.

[1:15:00] We're talking about the new subdivisions, public reshovers.

[1:15:02] So Kathy brought it. Right, it comes in after it's. Yeah, let us discuss that because that is existing policy.

[1:15:12] So I want to make sure that we don't trigger something with the state that it becomes more restrictive.

[1:15:16] So let's just evaluate that for you and see if we can work that in there.

[1:15:20] Okay, well that concerns when you say more, you don't want to be more restrictive. I think that if there is sewer lines available, they should be required to connect.

[1:15:32] So on the face of that suggestion, I completely agree with you and I think that is the best planning practice.

[1:15:40] My concern in the attorney is not here at the moment to answer whether or not my concern is valid,

[1:15:46] but my concern is that that required a requirement that a requirement to do so would be

[1:15:54] where would be considered more restrictive and therefore would be in violation of Senate Bill 180.

[1:15:59] What about the fact that okay,

[1:16:10] so that you're talking about the new Senate Bill 180?

[1:16:13] Yeah, the Senate Bill 180 that says that you cannot establish anything that is more restrictive as of July 31 of 2024 that that bill does not expire.

[1:16:23] Even though we're in the blue spring water shed and we're mandated to get out of the water shed.

[1:16:29] So we've got the attorney here.

[1:16:30] So the attorney is here.

[1:16:32] The question is regarding making the language in goal

[1:16:39] to for sanitary sewer, more restrictive as it relates to when sewer

[1:16:44] becomes available requiring that residents' connection.

[1:16:49] I'll read your comments.

[1:16:51] Right now, right now, it's a voluntary connection.

[1:16:55] And the suggestion is to make it a required connection

[1:16:58] And if sanitary sewer is brought to a residential area that there is a residential area would be required to connect at that time.

[1:17:08] And I do believe under the state statute, it is a requirement.

[1:17:11] It just happens the requirement is that it takes place when the system is at the end of life and that they are no longer allowed to have a new septic permit.

[1:17:21] They have to connect when they can go that's correct. I get that, but I also were also mandated to get the heck out of the blue spring watershed by sewer, or by septic. And that date is some time in 2030 something so this coming up at least that's what I recall says all I'm just questioning why we wouldn't be more restrictive and say I know it's I understand that it's very

[1:17:51] It was sort of looking for people over a concern, but if we're going to meet the mandate to get out of the blue spring watershed, we have to start seriously doing this.

[1:18:04] So staff would definitely look at that concern with the consultant and legal and see how we can look at that language.

[1:18:11] So we can look at this and there may be, I understand your point and we may be able to come up with a solution.

[1:18:29] We do have to be obviously careful so that if it 180 doesn't burn off until 2027, however,

[1:18:37] you're right.

[1:18:38] I mean, there is that separate mandate.

[1:18:41] So we'll work with staff, we'll work with the consultants

[1:18:44] to figure out a solution and we will keep you all

[1:18:48] apprised, because certainly it is advantageous

[1:18:53] and ultimately, sanitary sewers are better option.

[1:18:57] So we'll see if there's a way we can come up with a solution

[1:19:01] to meet both criteria.

[1:19:03] Thank you.

[1:19:09] Is there a way that we could build language into this to allow us to make that more restrictive item effective once SB 180 is no longer an effect?

[1:19:21] So I would urge all of us to not talk about it as a more restrictive item because it is not.

[1:19:27] It is a different process for sewer.

[1:19:34] And we do have other ways to potentially get there and we may be able to do it through building code.

[1:19:48] But I would not, and I will clearly state, it is our position that it is not restrictive or burdensome,

[1:19:56] but there may be a solution through building.

[1:19:58] So...

[1:20:00] It's our position that it is not a more restrictive or burdensome land just regulation,

[1:20:08] and there may be another way to accomplish our goals.

[1:20:11] So, I would think of it and refer to it as sanitary sewer to ensure compliance with the blue springs mandate.

[1:20:25] Yeah, and I think if we are careful and frame it through building and not through land use that might be the solution but we'll work with the staff and work with the consultants.

[1:20:39] I also want to take a moment and if we're discussing on whether we're going to go to.

[1:20:45] for sewer. I think that requires a larger discussion than this workshop, so if that's where

[1:20:54] this discussion's going, I'd like to pull that to the side and have that separate conversation,

[1:20:59] because I think that would elicit, and I should be advertised separately so that residents

[1:21:03] can come and speak their voice on that one. Commissioner Nabeck, and then Commissioner

[1:21:09] Colwell.

[1:21:09] Well, I will add one additional thing, if I may, Commissioner, we also can look at this as an option to implement that goal for the watershed through our utility and potentially require connection if they're within so many feet of a water main.

[1:21:30] So, I guess what I'm saying is there are a lot of paths to achieve that goal that are not land development regulations.

[1:21:38] That would be what we would work with the staff and the consultants to explore, to ensure we're compliant with the law, but still meeting our other mandates and goals.

[1:21:51] Commissioner Novak.

[1:21:52] Yeah, we're not talking about force sewer for anybody that's existing.

[1:21:55] It's redevelopment, property, new construction.

[1:21:59] We don't have the billions of dollars.

[1:22:01] It would take to put the infrastructure in place to begin soaring people up.

[1:22:08] My question is in regards to 2-1.8 private packaged treatment facilities.

[1:22:17] First of all, Jordan, do we know do we have any still and existence in the city?

[1:22:27] Commissioner, I would have to defer to public works and they are not here at this time.

[1:22:31] Okay.

[1:22:32] Okay.

[1:22:33] In the event that we do, and I don't think we currently have any packaged systems still,

[1:22:40] because there was an ordinance pass some time ago doing away with those.

[1:22:46] But in the event that we do have any, I'd like to see this be a lot more specific language.

[1:22:52] It says any existing privately owned package treatment facility shall be evaluated for phasing out.

[1:22:59] I'd like to see some kind of a time frame in there.

[1:23:04] This leaves it very open-ended

[1:23:12] to if we can work on making it more specifically time-trained.

[1:23:16] So Commissioner, staff with double check with public orders to make sure that

[1:23:20] to see if we have any currently.

[1:23:23] If we do not, this is in a policy and we'll just take the policy out.

[1:23:26] Okay, thank you.

[1:23:30] I have a question.

[1:23:31] If we don't mind, along those same lines, going back to potable water, do we have any provision

[1:23:38] in the potable water language that allows for the creation of co-ops similar to the way

[1:23:47] that the private package treatment facilities would exist for a community that a potable

[1:23:52] water system could be created for a community?

[1:24:01] So, in partner with the city, or I'm trying to, or somebody else doing, no, most of your current policy talks about you.

[1:24:11] Connecting to you, your city.

[1:24:14] Okay.

[1:24:14] I just want to ensure that there's a requirement that they connect to the water utility.

[1:24:19] Yes.

[1:24:20] I know that in other areas, in a surrounding communities, those small,

[1:24:25] Yes, tight treatment plants have become a huge burden in problem because they are not there is a lot less oversight on them. Yes, and

[1:24:35] Ultimately it creates many, many problems. Yeah, one, one, three. I think one, one, three addresses what you're talking about. So I've had that many it's a great point because

[1:24:45] CDs. They are empowered by statute to create their own utilities. And they can become

[1:24:51] conflicting with public utilities they are provided. So, yes, I know what you mean by that.

[1:24:57] Thank you.

[1:25:01] Yes, ma'am. I had a question with regards to 2-1.6, items 3 and 4. The language in both of those bullets seems like it's a bit broad and wondering if we couldn't be more specific when talking about a subdivision that's going to create a plat.

[1:25:21] What if they're creating a flat and a subdivision?

[1:25:26] Obviously, that's vacant land.

[1:25:28] What if they're not next to a sanitary sewer main?

[1:25:33] I'm thinking we have properties within the city

[1:25:34] that where that would be the case.

[1:25:36] You could potentially make the development cost prohibitive

[1:25:40] from actually doing it because they're not close enough.

[1:25:43] And the main extension costs would price them

[1:25:45] out of the market of being able to do the development.

[1:25:47] And item number four, with regards to projects involving site plan review, again, any project

[1:25:56] requiring site plan review, do we not have vacant pieces of property that would go through

[1:26:01] site plan review that are not next to a sanitary sewer rain?

[1:26:05] So I'm just wondering if we can look into both of those situations and see if we can't

[1:26:09] tighten the language in both of those items.

[1:26:11] Thank you.

[1:26:15] Can you clarify that for me?

[1:26:17] I said tight in the language, but as far as the intent, obviously, is if you have more than four

[1:26:22] lots, I think it's what it's referring to, and you're going to do a subdivision that you

[1:26:26] have that connection.

[1:26:28] Well, what if you don't have a sanitary suit or main next to you?

[1:26:32] From a planning perspective, I would say your time and leanness is wrong as far as potentially

[1:26:36] if it depends on the density of the subdivision, right?

[1:26:38] So if you're trying to get more units in a higher density than you need to have that infrastructure

[1:26:44] to be able to do those lots.

[1:26:46] And we do, do we have language and ordinance, ordinance language that requires the extension of sanitary sewer to new developments to PEDs?

[1:26:54] Yes.

[1:26:55] And it's also kind of a timing of development question.

[1:27:00] So when they would come through you for approval or rezoning, one of your questions are, are we going to have utilities here? Are we going to have them available for this?

[1:27:09] Generally, you don't want more and more lots that are not on the systems.

[1:27:14] I understand, while I understand the intent of why it's written this way, it just seems

[1:27:18] like that it's not specific enough.

[1:27:21] The language is not specific enough to be, it just needs to be tightened up, the language

[1:27:29] just needs to be more specific, especially with regards to number four, a cycling review that's

[1:27:36] consistent with the LDC.

[1:27:38] What is the goal of tightening up the language that you're looking for to prevent the development

[1:27:45] of in-fill lots that don't have access or a-

[1:27:49] That's one situation or the prevention of vacant lots that can be developed but are not adjacent

[1:27:57] to a sanitary sewer main or don't have a sanitary sewer main running through the public right

[1:28:02] away abutting their property, thereby meaning that they will not be able to develop the

[1:28:06] property because the only way they could would be with septic. They might be in an area

[1:28:12] of the city that does not is not served by a sanitary sewer main.

[1:28:17] Okay. I just want to have access to sanitary sewer and water main maps so I don't know

[1:28:22] where what areas of the city where that could potentially be affected but I think it

[1:28:29] deserves that we look into those areas and see if their situations where this could potentially

[1:28:34] be an issue and either amend or be more descriptive and not be so broad in the language

[1:28:41] of these two items.

[1:28:43] I just wanted to make sure that it was clear what your goal was and it sounds like your goal

[1:28:48] is to prohibit the development of infill lots if they don't have access to sanitary sewer.

[1:28:54] No, my goal is not to prohibit the development of infill lots.

[1:28:57] My goal is to allow for the development of infill lots if they do not have a sanitary

[1:29:03] sewer or water or sanitary sewer main running through the public right of way

[1:29:08] abutting this infill lot this language would would make it so that they would

[1:29:13] not be able to develop that infill lot. Okay so you want to make it allowable for them

[1:29:17] to develop the infill lot with sewer where was septic rather than required connection

[1:29:22] to sewer. In the event that there's not a sanitary sewer main adjacent to their

[1:29:26] or in their public right way. Is that already an allowable by ordinance?

[1:29:31] So, this is an existing policy, right, and it says new development will connect to sewer.

[1:29:38] And provision is at one number one of that policy talks about if it's available, you have to connect to it.

[1:29:44] If it's not, then you're not required to connect to it.

[1:29:47] I think that the break that I'm having between those two's new subdivision, new hundred unit, subdivision comes in.

[1:29:54] This requires you to connect.

[1:29:55] Well, I think, but this is we're specifically talking about single individual and fill lots.

[1:30:00] Okay, number 3 is the 100, the 100, the 100 plot. Number 4 is the single individual, so we've got two items on the table.

[1:30:08] So, number 3 with the 100 platted lots, where in the city are we going to put 100 platted lots?

[1:30:14] So, we have to look at where those areas would be and figure out based on existing infrastructure.

[1:30:20] Do we actually have a sewer main that that a developer who wants to plat 100 lots can connect to a sewer system,

[1:30:27] They're by being able to comply with this requirement.

[1:30:31] The in-field lot situation, same exact thing.

[1:30:34] Where in the city do we have vacant lots?

[1:30:36] Where people who would want to develop that lot,

[1:30:41] build a house, build a business,

[1:30:44] but what if they're not in an area of the city

[1:30:46] that is served by sanitary sewer?

[1:30:49] So for example, the lot next to me was vacant until three years ago,

[1:30:55] They built that lot. We don't have access to sanitary sewer. They put in a septic tank, but this this this item number four would prohibit prohibit that development, but it

[1:31:07] No, it doesn't it would not be able to connect to sanitary sewer so they wouldn't be able to develop the lot. So one one says that you can

[1:31:16] And that's for individual lots.

[1:31:18] The others are talking about if I came in with a new development, not a lot, not to build

[1:31:22] a house on, but 50 units, 20 units, 100.

[1:31:26] So the question is, do you want to allow those subdivisions to be built without sewer?

[1:31:32] And generally, I would tell you no.

[1:31:33] Number three is no, but we also have to look at where those, where are we going to put

[1:31:38] 100-platted subdivision, 100-platted lot subdivision in the city, and we're looking at areas

[1:31:45] that are on the east side of the city or the northeast side of the city or bordering

[1:31:49] Osteen.

[1:31:49] All I'm saying is that we need to contrasting and pair those areas where a platin subdivision

[1:31:55] could go, do they actually have the ability to connect to sanitary sewer services or if not

[1:32:03] how far of a distance would that main extension have to run to allow for that development

[1:32:08] to happen?

[1:32:09] That's item number three.

[1:32:11] Item number four is different.

[1:32:13] item number four is the infillot situation or the individual who wants to build a house on a vacant lot.

[1:32:19] One lot, one house, site plan review, what if they can't comply with the part of that language that says

[1:32:28] served by centralized sewer system because the city does not have mains in their area.

[1:32:35] So all I'm asking is that we look at the sewer maps, see if there's situations where these two items

[1:32:40] could potentially create a situation where development would be halted or stopped, and try

[1:32:47] to come up with a way that we can either amend or be more stringent with the language of these

[1:32:53] two items.

[1:32:58] So, we would need some direction, I guess, from you all, because that's a policy.

[1:33:03] Yeah, okay. Yeah, we have probably got that's a major policy shift, essentially. So, we're going

[1:33:09] need some additional direction on that from all of you?

[1:33:12] Are you, you have any more comments?

[1:33:16] No?

[1:33:16] OK.

[1:33:17] Member Diereca.

[1:33:18] Andrea, can I just ask for my own clarification?

[1:33:22] For the single law, would that not be solved for in item number one,

[1:33:28] where we're saying where there are no suitable sewer facilities

[1:33:34] immediately available, a septic tank may be used?

[1:33:38] Well, now you've got conflicting codes, so which one overrides?

[1:33:42] Okay, so I just, so now it's not clear and concise, so one needs to support the other,

[1:33:48] or one needs to be stricken, or amended.

[1:33:52] So, Terracardo, staff will look at this with the consultants, and when we come back to the next workshop,

[1:33:57] we will definitely get to suggest.

[1:33:58] Thank you so much. Appreciate your attention.

[1:34:00] Thank you for the clarification.

[1:34:02] Thank you, Member Cardo.

[1:34:04] Here in seeing no more questions, we can move to the next objective.

[1:34:13] Where am I, to one level, we already do that, level service and development.

[1:34:18] Sorry, there's another page.

[1:34:20] Existing facilities and efficiencies, objective two.

[1:34:24] We talked about that, so then we'll go to three.

[1:34:26] Fluent rechargeries and disposal.

[1:34:29] Again, it's just talking about long-term land agreements,

[1:34:32] Reclaim Water Infrastructure. There are any comments. Really objective three. Before I got too fast.

[1:34:40] Objective four, evaluation and implementation. Again, your master plan, process, impact

[1:34:46] Reflection, updates, or there are any questions related to those.

[1:34:53] If not, I would go on to

[1:34:54] Solid Waste. Provide reliable, sanitary, cost effective, and coordinated solid waste collection.

[1:35:00] Regional disposal service for all properties in Daytona while maintaining adequate disposal capacity and protecting neighborhoods from impact, incompatible facilities and hauling impacts.

[1:35:10] So your objective one is collection service and level of service.

[1:35:17] Again related to solid ways. Objective two is disposal capacity and interlocal coordination.

[1:35:23] You're required by a lot of review as you go over the years.

[1:35:27] Objective three facility location, neighborhood compatibility.

[1:35:31] Touchers on solid waste transfer stations and hazardous waste issues.

[1:35:35] And buffers related to hazardous waste.

[1:35:39] And I'll stop there.

[1:35:40] Let's see end of that goal.

[1:35:43] Anybody have any questions about that?

[1:35:45] Solid waste.

[1:35:46] Have we looked at our recent volumes of garbage to update the 8.6 pounds?

[1:35:59] That seems pretty low.

[1:36:08] Top of page 16.

[1:36:11] Does it really deteriorate?

[1:36:12] No, I don't.

[1:36:14] to best state that we have but we have shows that okay but had just something you're

[1:36:20] supposed to continue to monitor because your capacity goes faster obviously if it goes

[1:36:24] up or you don't build cells that you don't build them you don't build them we don't

[1:36:28] don't have the we don't have the landfill operation but but that capacity is available

[1:36:32] you have to make sure it is you know five ten years out so

[1:36:37] go full force

[1:36:40] I'm sorry.

[1:36:42] Sustainable and resilient waste management,

[1:36:44] reduce the affordable waste,

[1:36:45] literally dumping, excessive accumulation,

[1:36:48] and disaster-related health and environmental impacts.

[1:36:50] The Education Enforcement, Public Maintenance,

[1:36:52] Emerging Practices, and Advanced to Breme Management Planning.

[1:36:57] Objective One, Waste Reduction Emerging Practices,

[1:37:01] Objective Two, Community Outreach, Health,

[1:37:03] Esthetics, and Enforcement Objective Three,

[1:37:09] Natural Disaster to Breme Management.

[1:37:10] I'll planning efforts that you have to do, especially with hurricanes and that is objective, I'm sorry,

[1:37:21] the fourth goal for thank you. Any questions about that?

[1:37:27] I do. Can we be more specific with the disaster to bring management plan, update beliefs, there's some female language and possibly some state language.

[1:37:37] I believe even possibly SB 180 that speaks to a more specific time frame rather than periodically, so I just if we could look at it.

[1:37:48] Thank you.

[1:37:54] Go 5.

[1:37:54] Stormwater?

[1:37:55] I'm sorry.

[1:37:57] Sorry, Commissioner Navig.

[1:38:00] Do we need a separate element or would it be under hazardous waste to address medical waste and biohazard?

[1:38:16] Yeah, we can look at including that in the subbell in it.

[1:38:24] Biohazard medical waste.

[1:38:26] Okay.

[1:38:27] And then I'm going to extend my comment to all of Objective 4-3.

[1:38:36] Because there are a couple other components in there that I believe are governed by

[1:38:42] state statute or FEMA policy.

[1:38:49] 4-3.

[1:38:54] Stormwater.

[1:38:55] Can you read me that?

[1:38:56] No.

[1:38:56] Protect the health and safety of the public,

[1:38:59] stormwater management facilities, and services,

[1:39:00] shall be properly maintained,

[1:39:02] environmentally sound, cost-effective,

[1:39:04] and meet the communities present in future demands.

[1:39:07] I don't think there's a lot of changes in this way.

[1:39:09] There was a ton of changes in this one.

[1:39:11] Objective one, best management practices,

[1:39:13] objective two, design, construction, and maintenance of stormwater systems.

[1:39:19] That was it? Any stormwater questions or needs?

[1:39:31] Within the stormwater section, see it now, stormwater quality standards.

[1:39:50] Is the reference in section 5-1.4 where it says all new development redevelopment

[1:39:58] projects to also meet Eric Seed minimum.

[1:40:00] Environmental Protection Standards of the City of Deltona in Volusia County. Does that allow us to maintain additional policies regarding stormwater, water quality minimum standards outside of this complaint?

[1:40:21] Yep.

[1:40:24] Okay.

[1:40:27] Commissioner Novik.

[1:40:31] How does the stormwater plan here affect or is it affected by the stormwater plans of, say,

[1:40:47] F. dot where, where there, I want to, so I want to create the ability for the city to be able to

[1:41:02] encourage an interlocal partnership with say FDOT, whether taking water off of I-4, for instance,

[1:41:13] in Ultima, when they came through at the manage lanes, FDOT was going to take 9 or 10 houses,

[1:41:21] within the city under eminent domain to store that storm water. They did take those houses

[1:41:28] And after the fact, ultimately stepped in, took that water from the managed lanes, put it

[1:41:35] into Crane's roost, treats it, mixes it with reclaimed and sends it all the way out

[1:41:42] to Apapca to get rid of it for free, because Apapca needs it.

[1:41:48] Do we have anything in here to encourage or facilitate those type of partnerships in anticipation

[1:41:58] of I-4 managed lanes coming up to graves, there's going to be a stormwater situation that's

[1:42:05] created. Yes, along that Amazon I-4 Normandy. Yes, sir. Not specific to that example, but there's

[1:42:14] some policies in this element that talk about creative reuse of stormwater and other ways to

[1:42:21] treat or use, whether it's gray water, you know, that sort of thing. So there is some policies

[1:42:26] there that referred to that situation.

[1:42:29] The city shall look at doing that and try to,

[1:42:31] it doesn't go as far as saying other partners have to do that,

[1:42:34] right?

[1:42:35] But it's encouraging you to evaluate opportunities for that.

[1:42:40] Is that sufficient for-

[1:42:42] I just was looking for something a little stronger,

[1:42:45] to encourage those, those interagency partnerships.

[1:42:49] Okay.

[1:42:50] We're going to discuss that.

[1:42:53] Just want to make sure that this is

[1:42:55] would be specific to partnerships and not allowable allowing them to do anything or promising

[1:43:05] something upfront because I've seen in other areas of the 429 I-4 projects where the stormwater

[1:43:15] drainage off of the project has resulted in neighborhoods flooding. We're right, but I want to

[1:43:20] make it mutually beneficial where the opportunity exists. Absolutely. Okay. Okay, we'll take a look

[1:43:26] that language here we can adjust.

[1:43:29] And then if we can move a little bit quicker.

[1:43:31] Last one, I believe.

[1:43:33] Natural groundwater in aquifer,

[1:43:34] protect and sustain the quality.

[1:43:37] In quantity of the super artificial

[1:43:38] and flow to aquifer systems,

[1:43:40] and protect and enhance the capabilities

[1:43:42] of groundwater recharge areas for the present

[1:43:44] and future water supply of the city.

[1:43:47] Objective one, groundwater quality,

[1:43:49] recharge on water security,

[1:43:51] civil elements relating to that, or policies.

[1:43:54] Objective two,

[1:43:55] Groundwater quality well had protection monitoring. And that's it. Any questions related to

[1:44:04] goal six.

[1:44:08] I thought I saw in

[1:44:10] goal six somewhere about wetlands.

[1:44:15] Yes, where is it?

[1:44:17] The recharging, I think is

[1:44:20] trying to remember now. Yeah

[1:44:23] I just, my comment is that wetlands are not the end all be all.

[1:44:31] They're also typically not where the most significant aquifer recharge occurs.

[1:44:37] We also, I want to make sure that we have in here protections.

[1:44:40] And I see where we've got development in prime or high aquifer recharge areas,

[1:44:45] shall maintain pre-development, recharge conditions, to the maximum extent, technically feasible,

[1:44:51] while meeting applicable flood control water quality public safety and environmental

[1:44:54] clients.

[1:44:55] I want to make sure that we don't lose sight of the fact that our uplands and upland ecosystem.

[1:45:00] Somes provide significant recharge opportunity and Prime Recharge Office for Recharge areas.

[1:45:06] Yeah, that's the first statement. I'm going to appreciate that.

[1:45:08] If we can incorporate that, I'll be back. Yes, sir. Member Diaco.

[1:45:12] Thank you.

[1:45:14] Just quickly looking at

[1:45:19] 6-2-1 on page 24 for protection of groundwater from hazardous and biological waste.

[1:45:26] I see here that we have that the city shall enforce local and state regulations pertaining to the perfection, to the protection of.

[1:45:37] Are we limited to that or can we do something more punitive for when there are violations?

[1:45:45] You are not through that in the complaint that would be in the land of Elmaco.

[1:45:49] Okay.

[1:45:52] So we can address that here. We cannot address that here.

[1:45:56] That all?

[1:45:59] I don't think we would address punitive, punitive damages to people within the...

[1:46:05] On that, I mean, like punitive damages.

[1:46:08] I mean, can we make something more... can we...

[1:46:12] Find a little harsher?

[1:46:14] Yeah.

[1:46:15] More clear definition on that section section 1.6.6-2.1.

[1:46:24] So, you know, are we allowed to find someone greater than what...

[1:46:29] regulations allow.

[1:46:33] I look to you city attorney.

[1:46:38] We would need to research this specific topic and get back to you on it.

[1:46:44] Like, yes, but we would need to confirm. All right. We'll work with staff and we'll, we'll.

[1:46:50] Right. Yes, because here we're talking about like fuel spills, oil spills, illegal dumping, which is a little bit of a challenge here. And so, okay. Thank you.

[1:47:00] Okay. And then, thank you, Member Diereco.

[1:47:05] 6-1.8, mapping of the aquifer recharge areas, specifically mentions wetlands, but it doesn't

[1:47:12] mention uplands, so if we could incorporate that, and follow up with that so that those areas

[1:47:20] are mapped and included in the term prime or high aquifer recharge areas.

[1:47:30] No, dude.

[1:47:32] Okay.

[1:47:34] That's it?

[1:47:34] No more questions.

[1:47:35] No more words for me.

[1:47:37] You're good.

[1:47:38] All right.

[1:47:39] We have one public comment.

[1:47:43] Kathy Bryan.

[1:47:55] Good evening, Kathy Bryan.

[1:47:56] I got a lot of comments.

[1:47:58] Actually, I'd like to see the restrictions for discharge on the storm water, et cetera.

[1:48:03] Be more stern than maybe what's allowed if we're allowed to do that.

[1:48:07] Reclamed water and septic tank versus sewer.

[1:48:12] I'm really sorry that they didn't increase some of the reclaimed water availability.

[1:48:17] But the thing is, as we have issues now with trying to, there's days when it's just dry,

[1:48:23] and it's not available period.

[1:48:25] So what are the plans for recapturing some of this water to get, like, your eye for

[1:48:30] thing talking about or something like that?

[1:48:33] I want to make sure we have plans for that.

[1:48:35] And also when it comes to step, septic tanks, it is extremely expensive to get the new septic tanks placed.

[1:48:43] So I also want to make considerations for people who have just placed one and maybe now there's a new development going in and sewer is available.

[1:48:51] Well, if I just paid $20,000 for septic tank and now you're going to force me over to sewer before I'm done paying for it.

[1:48:56] I just want to make sure that there's a lot ofments for that.

[1:48:59] For your smaller areas outside of the big up town,

[1:49:07] when you guys change how things are done,

[1:49:10] density, why is it said, or what say to the neighboring residents have, especially when you're

[1:49:16] talking about building some of these three story building, two or three story buildings, because privacy is a big issue.

[1:49:23] And you've got some hilly areas around here, somebody builds a two story house can look right in my backyard.

[1:49:27] I'm not out there naked, but, you know, I still don't need to be looking.

[1:49:33] Yeah, keep my options open.

[1:49:39] But performance reports, when you talk about has were coming along,

[1:49:44] make sure there's a clear transparent plan for communicating this to the residents.

[1:49:49] The other thing going back to the buildings of the increased height,

[1:49:53] when you implement these.

[1:49:54] Obviously, you're going to need increased fire and equipment and problem known.

[1:50:00] No latter trucks, no more latter trucks for a nine-story building. You're good? Okay. But I'm saying, if somebody comes in once

[1:50:08] that plan, what's the concurrent plan for putting out the money for the new staff? But that's a

[1:50:15] longer conversation, just wanted to bring it up. Wouldn't it make sense to start in some of

[1:50:21] the redevelopment areas where smaller businesses can get in quickly to assist with the demographics

[1:50:26] that we need for this city to bring in more stuff that attracts other people.

[1:50:30] I mean, it's kind of a round thing.

[1:50:35] All not all open space has to contribute.

[1:50:39] Some open space is just fine by just being there by itself.

[1:50:43] I also want to make sure for the environmental places,

[1:50:46] what are we doing?

[1:50:47] And Parks, what are we doing to monitor those for activity that is not supposed to be going on

[1:50:53] at those places, trails and stuff like that?

[1:50:56] Thank you. Thank you. I do have one more.

[1:51:00] Dana McCool.

[1:51:07] Thank you very much. And members and commission, I just wanted to bring

[1:51:12] up the fact here when we're talking about our recharge and water security. We're talking about

[1:51:16] our ground where quantity. I don't want us to venture off into fear pouring tactics again regarding

[1:51:22] the conversion of septic tanks, right? Because overall there's been an approach for regional

[1:51:29] replacement right regional help. But there is no way that state of Florida is going to force

[1:51:35] this at one time by 2030 because that's invariably an unfunded mandate. The state of Florida

[1:51:41] is not going to take that on, legislation is not going to take that on, especially given where

[1:51:45] we're headed with the advent of property taxes, right? We're putting a lot of burden on taxpayer and

[1:51:51] I don't see that happening. So I think that there is going to be more implementation of us directly

[1:51:58] with our water cleanup around here. We need to start thinking about that as far as our infrastructure

[1:52:02] and staffing. Because that, our basin management, our water weight management and our legs

[1:52:09] is going to be on us and the special taxing districts. But it's going to come down to the

[1:52:13] municipalities to do that. In light of, we're talking there, some people that are campaigning right now

[1:52:22] on cutting staff 40 percent, it's acidizing to think that we can do that with what's coming

[1:52:29] down from the state as far as these go. So I want us to be very cognizant of that. I want

[1:52:34] the commission and our planning and zoning board to be very cognizant of that. What we're

[1:52:40] spoon-feeding people and our resses because this makes people scared. Elderly people that have

[1:52:45] been in their residence for 30 years now, freaking out because somebody thought it's a good idea

[1:52:49] to politicize mandating sewer.

[1:52:52] That's what they do.

[1:52:53] They come after these fear tactics

[1:52:55] and they scare our residents.

[1:52:57] They take middle class, middle-aged people,

[1:52:59] they've been working really hard for everything

[1:53:01] that they have, and this is what's happening

[1:53:02] in our political environment right now.

[1:53:04] So I'm throwing the gauntlet down right now,

[1:53:06] we'll challenge anybody that tries to use that moving forward.

[1:53:10] Any of this that we're talking about right here,

[1:53:12] I will make it a personal mission

[1:53:14] to go after somebody that is frightening our residents about this.

[1:53:17] So I would like the commission in the board

[1:53:19] to be dang well informed on what is actually coming

[1:53:22] down from state legislation.

[1:53:24] We seem to be out of touch with that a little bit, right?

[1:53:26] We're kind of myopic in what we're doing at a city level.

[1:53:29] And we need to be more responsible to our residents here.

[1:53:32] So talking about cutting staff with these things coming down

[1:53:35] is really short-sighted.

[1:53:37] And I don't want our public to be handed fear tactics, right?

[1:53:43] As we are working on here, our comprehensive plan in Deltona.

[1:53:47] We're a city of 100,000 and we need to start behaving that way instead of what we're doing,

[1:53:51] some of what we're doing. I want to thank you guys really for doing this.

[1:53:56] When we started doing this, you were providing good information for the average resident.

[1:54:02] So I'm just saying today that this shall not be politicized, not in our city. Thank you.

[1:54:11] That ends public comment.

[1:54:14] Thank you, Joyce. Commissioner Harry. Yes, sir. Just to note,

[1:54:19] If the commission or P&Z has any comments regarding these elements, we just went over, if you

[1:54:24] can please provide that as soon as possible, so we can get that to the consultants.

[1:54:30] And our next workshop, number seven, will be on September 28th, and we will be going over

[1:54:34] the future land use, transportation and housing elements.

[1:54:38] Thank you, Jordan.

[1:54:40] City manager, do you have any comments?

[1:54:41] Nothing.

[1:54:42] See you.

[1:54:42] Thank you.

[1:54:43] All right.

[1:54:43] And I asked a question, Jordan, I'm assuming comments that with me today, we do not have to put into

[1:54:49] a written format correct.

[1:54:52] That is correct.

[1:54:52] Okay, they will be okay.

[1:54:54] In addition to what was discussed, any other questions from the commissioner, PNZ?

[1:55:00] All right, hearing none. We're adjourned. Thank you.

City Commission Workshop on 2026-08-31 5:30 PM - Joint Meeting with P&Z Board

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