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[2:51] all right ladies and gentlemen i'd like to call the regular meeting of

[2:55] the disa city council may 2nd 2022 to order

[3:00] up first uh don't we don't have pastor here so ma'am would you like to lead us

[3:04] in the pledge everyone stand

[3:31] oh oh yeah i want to do are we going to do

[3:34] agenda approval yeah let's do that

[3:39] because i want to i would like to move 3g under my name for uh

[3:46] just cut not discussion well maybe discussions

[3:49] yes please so uh the motion uh the request is to move uh casino agenda item

[3:55] 3g from the cassette agenda to come under

[3:59] uh councilman bagby's name under item seven

[4:04] and then i'll make a motion to approve the agenda as amended i second

[4:10] all right we have a vote

[4:23] the vote is unanimous so moved so we will move item three

[4:30] under item

[4:32] six d

[4:38] if i don't take a note i'll forget all right now i get to do my little

[4:43] mirror thing first up we have a proclamation of

[4:47] drinking water wheat

[5:06] all my whereas

[5:10] thank you city of destin proclamation drinking

[5:14] water week may 1st through the 7th 2022 whereas water is our most valuable

[5:19] natural resource and whereas drinking water serves vital role in daily life

[5:24] serving as an essential purpose to health hydration hygiene needs for the

[5:28] quality of life of our citizens to enjoy and whereas tap water delivers public

[5:33] health protection fire protection support for our economy and the quality

[5:37] of life we enjoy and whereas the hard work performed by

[5:41] the entire water sector designing capital product products projects

[5:47] operators ensuring the safety and quality of drinking water or a member of

[5:51] a pipe crew maintaining the infrastructure communities rely on to

[5:54] transport high quality drinking water from its source to consumers taps and

[6:00] whereas the konor corona virus pandemic has shown a light

[6:05] on the importance of drinking water for health hydration and hygiene needs and

[6:10] whereas we are all stewards of the water infrastructure upon which fewer

[6:14] generations depend and whereas the citizens of our city are called upon to

[6:18] help protect our sources of water from pollution practice water conservation

[6:22] and get involved with their water by familiarizing themselves with it and

[6:26] whereas destin water users is the water service provider for our area

[6:31] now therefore be resolved by that virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor

[6:36] of the city of destin i do hereby proclaim may

[6:40] 1st through the 7th as drinking water week lockwood would you like to say word

[6:44] yes one of the messages we want to get out

[6:47] is that tap water is there when you when it's needed and it takes a team to make

[6:52] that happen and we're grateful to one of our team members the city of destin to

[6:56] make that happen so we can supply the needs of our community thank you mayor

[7:00] thank you lockwood [Applause]

[7:16] up next michael would you like to join us and

[7:19] your staff

[7:30] even though these guys work

[7:34] it's 365 days out of the year even though they're not supposed to

[7:38] uh this is their week

[7:42] two weeks all right see they they get two weeks they're

[7:47] really special anyways i would like to read the city of

[7:52] destin proclamation of national public works week

[7:57] right it's just one week but it's just two weeks from now oh okay

[8:00] ready and resilient whereas public works professionals focus on services that are

[8:05] vital importance to sustainable and resilient communities and to the public

[8:09] health high quality of life and well-being of the people of the city of

[8:12] destin and whereas these services could not be

[8:15] provided without the dedicated efforts of our public works professionals who

[8:19] are responsible for rebuilding improving maintaining and protecting our city's

[8:24] transportation networks storm water infrastructure public buildings and

[8:29] natural resources essential for and to our citizens

[8:33] and whereas it is in the public interest of for our citizens civic leaders and

[8:37] children in the city of destin to gain knowledge of and to maintain an ongoing

[8:41] interest and understanding of the importance of public works and the

[8:45] public works programs in our community and whereas the year 2022 marks the 62nd

[8:51] annual national public works week sponsored by the american public works

[8:56] association now therefore be it proclaimed that i

[9:00] gary jarvis mayor of deaths in florida on behalf of the city council do hereby

[9:04] designate the week of may 15th through the 21st two weeks from now

[9:09] as national public works week in the city of destin energy all citizens to

[9:13] join with representatives of the american public works association and

[9:16] other governmental agencies and paying tribute to our public works

[9:19] professionals recognizing the substantial contributions they make to

[9:23] protect our health safety and quality of life here in destin so done this second

[9:27] day of may 2022 michael would you like to say a

[9:30] word sure

[9:33] oh thank you um just want to thank the mayor and

[9:37] the council for this recognition of national public works week

[9:41] i would like to personally thank my staff a fantastic group of dedicated

[9:45] individuals again who work 365 rain shine day or night

[9:51] there's a job and we've got to get it done so who do you call on it's public

[9:55] works is that right something like that but

[9:58] anyway uh just again thank you mr mayor thanks city council city manager for all

[10:02] your support especially in the upcoming budget season

[10:07] the [Music]

[10:10] again well here here let me get behind the

[10:13] dice there but again thank you all for this recognition and we look forward to

[10:19] serving you now and in the future [Applause]

[10:35] so

[11:08] good evening mayor and council members city manager we're happy to be here so

[11:12] thanks for allowing us to come in i just wanted to take a few minutes to kind of

[11:15] briefly update you with with your project where it's at in the stages and

[11:19] wanted to kind of share with you real quick some some projects throughout the

[11:21] state just kind of give you an idea as you're progressing and moving forward

[11:25] with your projects some things that's that's taking place in other areas of

[11:28] the state so basically where we're at right now

[11:32] we've already submitted the f the fpl engineering deposit so it started

[11:37] they're moving forward with that you're probably

[11:39] noticed over the last month survey data collection has been taking place you

[11:43] will see crews probably um you know this afternoon tomorrow possibly into

[11:47] wednesday just data collected the last few points we just wanted to verify a

[11:51] couple of endpoints match up some manholes things like that so that's all

[11:54] progressive as soon as that data is complete we get it over to the

[11:57] engineering department with fpl and we're already working with them to try

[12:01] to get that as soon as we get that back we'll start probably within 60 to 90

[12:06] days start finding out exactly where some of the critical infrastructure

[12:10] locations are going to be and basically what that is where we've got the

[12:13] transformers and some of the switches where they might fall in the corridor

[12:17] so we'll quickly start looking at those locations see what we can do to adjust

[12:21] them make sure that they kind of fit well for the city and you know

[12:24] unfortunately you know they've got to go somewhere we're just going to try to

[12:26] find the best place that we can we can put those we're also working with the

[12:30] carriers as well to make sure that they're in line with

[12:33] that so that's typically on projects sometimes the carers can fall behind so

[12:37] with that we wanted to kind of share with you some ongoing projects um

[12:41] throughout the state so i know you guys are familiar with longboat key it's a

[12:46] 50 million dollar underground project so it's a little bit smaller but it's

[12:50] interesting that their um island in general has a lot of same similarities

[12:55] as yours does so where we are right now we're close to

[12:58] completing the entire project it was originally seven years it condensed it

[13:02] down to three we're actually ahead of schedule quite a bit so just wanted to

[13:05] kind of share as you see things that in the industry are kind of sliding

[13:10] behind schedule this one is significantly ahead of schedule more

[13:14] importantly it's well under budget um significantly on the power side and then

[13:18] the contingencies that were set aside there's two million that was set aside

[13:22] zero's been used today so all the boring activities will be done this week so

[13:26] it's a pretty big accomplishment to have all of the boring activities which is

[13:29] your biggest risk typically in a project done so i know when we're we're right

[13:35] now dealing with inflationary pressures construct you know contractors timing

[13:39] these are projects that are ongoing during these current conditions that are

[13:42] performing well this is another project we um

[13:47] you know i don't say it to to brag but just so you know this project here in

[13:51] bradenton beach we our firm just received the consultant of the year

[13:54] award through apwa it was because of the complexity it's a cra district it's

[13:59] extremely heavy corridor it's got a lot of businesses as you can see i've got a

[14:03] quick little video on it but you know it had everything that would that could be

[14:07] a potential problem for a project it was ahead of schedule under budget and the

[14:12] businesses were extremely pleased so we just wanted to that one was actually

[14:16] done in the last year so it's fully complete at this stage um

[14:20] so we did encounter some of the same thing that you're seeing with inflation

[14:24] stuff like that really didn't impact the project to a large degree and like i

[14:27] said we're under budget and never use the contingency so just wanted to kind

[14:31] of report that so you can see some projects that are actually wrapping up

[14:34] they're actually going well the procurement that's pretty much the

[14:39] process moving forward on this one so once we get the engineering deposit back

[14:43] from fpl we'll start moving forward we'll get the binding cost estimate from

[14:46] fpl basically that's a convoluted math equation that follows a tariff and the

[14:51] tearful basically this is what your credit will look like that gets applied

[14:54] to the project so we've already got some we've got some calculations that we do

[14:58] to kind of predict that modeling but when we get it back we'll be presenting

[15:02] it quick um you know to council to be able to look at those numbers and see

[15:05] what the actual credit would be we have seen they've they've generally increased

[15:10] over time because the um you know there's just been a

[15:13] it's been determined that the undergrounding projects have some

[15:16] significant cost savings to the utility companies therefore those credits are

[15:20] applied to the project the um

[15:23] when we get those binding call assessments we're also trying to have

[15:25] the same ones from the utility carriers so since they're attached to those lines

[15:28] we'll make sure that we have that information the same thing

[15:32] we'll also be looking to make sure that we have the right qualified contractors

[15:37] fortunately for this type of work it does require that these contractors are

[15:41] you know they understand that um that type of work that that's a kind of

[15:45] lowers that pool of contractors by a significant amount but what that does is

[15:49] it ensures you and what we're looking for is that the contractors that are

[15:52] working on your island they're familiar with this type of work they've worked

[15:55] within these communities it's very important it's different than boring out

[15:59] you know in other areas so we just want to make sure that we bring that to you

[16:02] so we'll be kind of working with you and sharing that as we go

[16:06] the city of bradenton beach project that i talked about i know that you guys have

[16:10] the two cra districts so just coincidentally we just wrapped that

[16:13] project up so one of what i wanted to share was this um

[16:17] video real quick and just kind of shows the

[16:20] corridor you can see the polls are still up as you're looking down the street

[16:24] this is the event um you know the big event that everybody waits for is when

[16:27] all the lines and powers and poles come out so it's just kind of a

[16:31] quick view of that evening

[16:34] kind of a long night and then fast forward twelve and a half hours so the

[16:38] following morning this is probably about six five thirty six in the morning

[16:43] the corridor just the significance of of all that stuff coming down does make a

[16:47] huge impact like you can see as you're going through the video there's a it's

[16:51] just all businesses it's an extremely extremely um limited right-of-way tons

[16:57] of pedestrian traffic so as you can imagine with this that's why it was

[17:01] significant with the award because projects like these typically run behind

[17:04] schedule not as a result of anything on the project team

[17:08] they're just they have their challenges so i think if you're partnering well

[17:11] with everybody you're working you can kind of achieve this same goal so that's

[17:14] that's our goal for the city but just wanted to kind of share a quick video

[17:18] with you to kind of see sun's just now coming up but it it i

[17:22] mean the impact is you know everybody at the end of the job of course it

[17:27] says you know the video kind of says more than the words itself

[17:30] so with that i just like i said just wanted to share with you where we are in

[17:34] the process things are moving well the projects that are you know wrapping up

[17:38] or fully um almost wrapped up or going well so we

[17:42] just wanted to kind of share that with you and if you know by all means if you

[17:45] have questions i'd love to hear through the process we're here to answer that at

[17:49] any given time anybody have any questions for mark go

[17:52] ahead mr destin thank you mayor

[17:55] the status of the other utilities the communication the other things are on

[17:58] the polls we asked that question a few months ago is

[18:01] are they obliged to take their stuff down when we

[18:04] bury the power lines and did we ever get an answer to that question

[18:08] we are we're working with them right now what we're doing is we part of the trip

[18:12] here too was to try to just make sure what what we try to do is we don't want

[18:16] to just assume that what the carriers are giving us is what they actually have

[18:19] to the pool because we're really we want to avoid for lack of about we just don't

[18:23] want to this city to absorb any betterment right so we want to make sure

[18:27] that what we're providing in the ground is adequate for what's in the air and

[18:31] not more than that we just don't really want to expand that infrastructure so

[18:34] it's a little bit of a process as we're working with fpl right now we're working

[18:38] with them to try to get their pieces and and the cost estimates for that to tie

[18:41] into our earlier conversations with them so i would imagine during these the

[18:46] survey is kind of critical too because a lot of them are asking for that survey

[18:50] because it's got the cad format that they like to go back to their systems

[18:53] and start plugging in some exact numbers so when we get that survey we'll be able

[18:57] to forward that information to them quick but yeah we're definitely wanting

[19:00] to make sure that we don't

[19:03] here's what i can share with you on all of the ongoing projects of those two

[19:06] that we just said are near completion of the bradenton being complete we've not

[19:10] had any issues with the cures being attached to the polls when we're ready

[19:13] to take them down that's usually a major major issue a lot of these projects

[19:17] yeah i'm just you know a little concerned because that's pretty critical

[19:20] if we bury one and the others are still there we haven't really accomplished

[19:24] anything yeah we're doing something pinellas and that was a big issue for

[19:28] some previous projects you know they what we don't ever want to see it's it's

[19:31] kind of a personal pet peeve i don't want to see the power company done the

[19:34] polls getting cut and topped off and those care lines we want the polls out

[19:38] at the same time so we'll i can promise you we'll be pushing hard to make sure

[19:41] that the carers are kind of in that same pattern okay thanks thank you on that

[19:46] same line of questioning mark

[19:49] in your experience especially here in florida of course

[19:54] what type of pushback do you have sometimes with with the cable company

[19:58] and telephone and that kind of stuff and how do you remediate those issues is

[20:04] that something we have to be involved with or

[20:07] you guys pretty good at we hope you don't have to be involved because that

[20:10] might be you know um us not not performing well on our side of things i

[20:15] mean that's our our job we feel is to kind of reign that in and and

[20:19] make sure that it's it's handled like i said we just we don't have that issue

[20:22] doesn't mean that something um might not come up that you can't avoid but i think

[20:26] it's just building relationships with them working with them we just try to

[20:30] you know help them out as much as we can i think that goes a long way so it's

[20:33] just it's a partnership we just have to develop so we're working with them

[20:36] closely to make sure that they feel comfortable that we're here to help them

[20:39] not just demand a bunch of information and and rely on that so

[20:47] all right thank you very much thanks for having me all right thank you mark

[20:55] all right up next public comments um i just want to remind everybody you get

[20:59] three minutes um when you come up to the podium turn

[21:03] on your microphone just state your name and your address for the public record

[21:07] uh when you get close to your three minutes i'll politely ask you to wrap up

[21:10] your thoughts and then we'll move on to the next one i also want to remind you

[21:14] we do have some public hearings today so if if what you'd like to talk about is

[21:19] actually related to those public hearings this is not the time to to do

[21:24] that this is for anything that's on the agenda other than public hearings and

[21:29] anything else that might be a issue for you that you just want to

[21:33] share with the council tonight this is uh there'll be a at the very end

[21:37] of the meeting as well you'll have another opportunity

[21:41] to to speak for three minutes on you can bring up the same thing you

[21:46] talked about before if you don't think that we heard you loud

[21:49] and clear but so there'll be two opportunities for public input uh

[21:54] on other than public hearings and then there will be an opportunity on each one

[21:59] of the three public hearings we're having to make public comment as well so

[22:03] with that being said i'm going to start at the center of the

[22:07] room and work that way just throw a wrench

[22:10] into spoke so does anybody here in the center of the room would like to come

[22:13] out make a public comment

[22:17] damn i can't believe you ain't coming up ken

[22:21] you let me down brother anyone over here

[22:25] nope yep come on up

[22:34] can we can we do one at a time or you need both guys

[22:38] oh okay i was gonna say you get six minutes that way versus three but go

[22:42] ahead just uh hit the button state your name

[22:45] address both of you go ahead for the public record

[22:49] okay got it all right i'm ben costan address is 327 mountain drive owner of

[22:54] rhodes auto repairs and towing i'm scott leach owner of

[22:58] destin towing 112 mountain drop we're just here to talk about trying to

[23:04] get the rates raised for the sheriff and highway patrol toes and the

[23:08] private property tows the rates as far as i know haven't been

[23:12] raised since 2015

[23:16] and it's my understanding i don't really know how this works but luther rhodes

[23:19] told me that to bring it before the city council the city council approves it

[23:23] then they take it to the county and so on and so on i'm not 100 sure if that's

[23:28] the right way but that's what i was told so like great what's the rate real quick

[23:32] so currently um well he does more stuff than i do but

[23:38] for what i do is mostly accidents abandoned vehicles or rests

[23:42] stuff like that currently it's 150 for the tow

[23:46] and then it's 50 a day storage which it's been that since 2015. then he

[23:52] also does private property which is what 125 for the tow

[23:56] and 25 a day storage yeah um and to be honest with you the

[24:02] private property toes the

[24:05] the backlash that we get on the back end is like oh my god it's ridiculous

[24:12] yeah i don't even do that like people i'm like call scott i'm not doing it

[24:16] he's way bigger than me he can he's not i'm not doing it but

[24:21] the price of fuel is going up i mean today i spent 1800 to fill up my big

[24:26] record it's getting ridiculous it's getting out

[24:30] of hand and people believe it or not with the private property telling stuff

[24:36] the people that give us the most problems

[24:38] is not the tourist it's the locals

[24:42] i mean honestly it truly is the locals that gives us the most problems

[24:48] and we get out

[24:51] say for instance we go out and we work a wreck scene for somebody that's

[24:55] drinking and driving we get out there and spend

[24:58] an hour out there cleaning up a mess in the blazing sun on the asphalt it's like

[25:04] 150 ducks is it worth it can we get it up a little bit higher

[25:08] because i mean we

[25:11] cleaning up a mess in a hurry yeah and us just like public works are on call

[25:16] 365's a day or 365 days a year 24 hours a day it doesn't matter if you're eating

[25:22] christmas breakfast with your kids fhp calls you gotta go now it doesn't matter

[25:26] if it's three in the morning it doesn't matter when it is and it's the same with

[25:29] the sheriff's department i mean and without fail i mean we got 30 minutes to

[25:34] get from wherever we're at whatever we're doing

[25:37] to them in 30 minutes

[25:40] regardless and it's

[25:42] it's one of them things where

[25:45] times are changing times are definitely changing cars are

[25:49] getting bigger trucks are getting bigger messes are getting a lot better our

[25:52] trucks are getting bigger like in 2015 you could buy a flatbed record for 70

[25:56] 000. i just bought a brand new one last year and it was 106.

[26:00] the same way with me so when somebody says why is it total

[26:03] 150 dollars well the trucks 106 grand it gets eight miles to the gown at five

[26:07] dollars a gallon the insurance is i looked up my insurance so i told kevin

[26:12] i said i need some numbers because i am a numbers guy but in 2017 our entire

[26:16] operation insurance package was 17 000. this year it's 22.

[26:21] fuel is double the trucks are close to double

[26:25] yeah and salaries are up you're paying guys

[26:28] 30 35 bucks an hour now instead of 25. i got i got the biggest truck in the

[26:32] county the biggest tow truck in this county

[26:36] my insurance for the year 75 000

[26:40] for the year that's for my whole fleet i bought a brand new rollback peterbilt

[26:45] just like his 106 thousand dollars five miles to a gallon

[26:50] the big record we're four miles to the gallon

[26:53] and it's like you know we have to have it yeah go ahead kevin i've got some

[26:58] questions for you we have questions you want to ask some questions first

[27:02] oh we can't we we can ask you guys have any questions or not go ahead

[27:07] well i appreciate you guys coming um this was under my name

[27:11] at the end and there's it's in your packet i believe as well

[27:14] um but since they're here in the public

[27:17] comments section i figured get them up here earlier rather than

[27:20] eight or nine o'clock tonight so thank you both for coming uh thanks guys i was

[27:25] in i was in the shop supporting one of them and and they

[27:29] brought this up and and you know when we looked into it we realized it hasn't

[27:33] been done since 2015. so you know i mentioned to ben there's a

[27:38] process and the process is what they're doing right now and so

[27:42] with that i was going to make a motion to direct the city manager to work with

[27:46] staff to bring back some updated changes for the resolution 1502

[27:52] can i second that motion sure

[27:55] got a second thank you well we got motion got a second any

[27:59] discussion we have the gentleman up here that we can answer any questions that

[28:02] any of you have seeing none gentlemen thank you and

[28:06] we'll take a vote

[28:09] now we go sit down thank you all for coming and it's nice

[28:14] to have local owners and business people here to speak about a situation so thank

[28:19] you all right so

[28:22] let's go ahead and take a vote on the motion in a second

[28:27] the eyes have it unanimous so moved so staff will come back and

[28:31] if you you'll have another opportunity to speak when you see the

[28:35] documents okay thank you guys alrighty then anyone else we're still on

[28:41] public comment come on up

[28:46] hello my name is madison sullivan my address is 4507 for ling ling dustin

[28:53] florida i wanted to talk about my concerns for

[28:57] the ever-growing presence of illegal charters coming out of destin florida

[29:02] on any given weekend you can go to joe's bayou and watch it's like a show you

[29:08] just get to watch illegal charters drop off at our city parks

[29:12] i was there for about 20 minutes on saturday and i recorded

[29:17] two boat charters dropping off

[29:20] while the city park attendant quite literally looked the other way the

[29:24] entire time he didn't go up and give any warnings

[29:28] he didn't ask any questions or take any pictures

[29:32] which i'm not sure why it's very obvious i can spot them from a mile away

[29:37] anywhere i go i've been at dewey dustin's like two weeks ago and i saw

[29:42] charters getting dropped off um at dewey dustin i know it's hard to

[29:46] regulate but they're very easy to spot um and it just kind of seems like a

[29:50] broken system because i've called sheriffs over to my boat before and

[29:55] pointed them out at crab island and they've told me to take a picture send

[29:59] it in it doesn't seem like it's a law that's

[30:03] being enforced in any way and i wanted to know what you guys were doing about

[30:07] it and ways i can work with you guys to point out these illegal charters because

[30:13] i'm in a charter company i've had to jump through hoops to do

[30:16] everything the right way i pay my three percent to the national parks my 400

[30:21] dollars to the county every month and

[30:25] have my btr a place to pick up and i'm watching

[30:29] all these other boats just take advantage of the system and work it and

[30:34] i don't know why nobody wants to do anything about it when i when i point it

[30:38] out to them

[30:41] anyone want go ahead rodney i'll i'll step in

[30:46] thanks i know we've been talking about this the

[30:49] council and staff um city manager what's what's being done if

[30:53] anything to try to resolve this i know we've

[30:56] talked about it it's it's difficult to enforce or to catch them but what what's

[31:01] i guess and i guess it's not the the attendant

[31:05] at the boat ramp to to police it's code enforcement co-compliance are they doing

[31:10] anything

[31:12] yeah and so i've worked both with um

[31:16] lisa firth the parks director to work with her staff at the launch to try to

[31:21] educate them on this problem and what to look for so that they can get in contact

[31:26] with code enforcement who has the ability um to do some enforcement of our

[31:31] codes our code is trying to respond now

[31:36] more because they're aware of it thanks to folks like you

[31:40] because i wasn't i wasn't aware of it until a couple weeks ago when i when i

[31:43] heard some of the comments so um our code is is working hard to get over

[31:48] there and i will say not as an excuse but just as a fact that our code is

[31:52] short right now a couple of people so a few people so please bear with us and we

[31:58] will get this problem taken care of as she said it is a challenge um to

[32:02] identify some of the votes um and some of them it's not i mean it's

[32:07] a dime a dozen if you count 12 pontoon boats out there 10 of them are illegal

[32:12] yeah and and just to address this madison it's not just in the uh livery

[32:17] vessel business it's

[32:19] rampant and the state licensed guide boats it's rampant and the federally

[32:24] chartered for hire business and now it's actually becoming

[32:28] an issue with private yacht charters and

[32:32] about two weeks ago three weeks ago we had the united states coast guard here

[32:36] briefing this council on what constitutes a charter what constitutes a

[32:41] bear boat contract and in the issues my dealings with national marine

[32:47] fisheries with the coast guard fwc and our sheriff's office that has a marine

[32:53] unit is you have to make a case

[32:57] and you have to make a case that's going to stand up in a court of law and so

[33:01] when they tell you to take pictures and you hand it over to them and it doesn't

[33:05] seem like anything's being done things are being done but it takes time

[33:10] to do an investigation and make a case lots of times we'll turn people in and

[33:14] we don't see nothing for five or six months and that but when they get them

[33:18] they get them really really good because now fines are up to sixty thousand

[33:23] dollars and just last week an illegal pontoon operator was arrested

[33:29] given tickets and he was out there on sunday he was

[33:32] one of the ones dropping off at joe's bayou i know exactly who you're talking

[33:36] about and he was dropping off at joe's bayou on sunday using the city

[33:39] permanently he hasn't had his day in court yet and that may

[33:43] change when he gets his fine but but so all we can do is like it's not that

[33:48] people are ignorant to the problem but it's going to take an entire community

[33:53] and it's like what we do in the charter industry is we are the policemen because

[33:57] we are the eyes and ears of what's going on in our community and so you just got

[34:01] to keep turning them in and keep putting the pressure up delivery vessel

[34:05] organization now that represents all you guys is totally aware of it they're

[34:10] doing the same thing we recognize it we'll do the best we can

[34:14] on the code enforcement side of things but you just got to catch the bad guys

[34:18] you know we can't legislate morality unfortunately we can do it through

[34:23] ordinances and in our code enforcement stuff but this council and myself being

[34:27] a licensed captain we're not blind to the problem and we're going to try and

[34:32] do a better job the season is just about to begin but nobody

[34:37] um nobody you know there's a couple of my friends they got me on speed dial

[34:41] they're sending me pictures all the time come on mayor this is an illegal

[34:45] operator the one you and i are just talking about

[34:48] you know sooner or later the price gets the point where

[34:52] they'll have their day in court that's all i can tell you right now but but

[34:55] don't assume that we're not caring don't assume that we're not doing anything

[34:59] about it and don't assume that those people are going to pay the price at

[35:02] some point mr mayor go ahead a question please

[35:06] are we taking [Music]

[35:08] how do we do something does code enforcement have to come out

[35:14] and see it and then we we're now following it or do

[35:17] we take pictures that are submitted by a citizen to be used in as evidenced i

[35:22] think just illegal charters is a u.s coast guard problem no i'm wondering

[35:27] what nfw's what my concern is is the the law of liveries that was put in place

[35:33] that's where the city of destin can step in and say you're not allowed to pick up

[35:37] at our rants and even just stopping them right there in the process while they're

[35:41] picking up at joe's bayou or dewey dustin's or anywhere else that they're

[35:44] doing it stopping them in the process is enough to scare them if you go on to any

[35:49] of the apps that they're using they're advertising joe's by you um all these

[35:54] different spots like right there making a call that's something that i

[35:59] feel like this even the sheriffs could enforce because it's a city law

[36:03] so how do we so to answer your evidentiary

[36:07] question it can be done either way if we get pictures

[36:11] then staff takes that as a complaint and goes and investigates themselves um but

[36:17] when they come out there they're already gone

[36:19] right no longer but

[36:22] if it's ongoing they should be able to catch them if

[36:26] it's ongoing yeah next time theoretically if they're in and out in

[36:29] 10 20 minutes we never can respond quick enough due to

[36:32] staff shortages or whatever else

[36:37] if a member of the public that took pictures wants to testify though then

[36:41] that could be used as evidence as well if they were willing to they don't have

[36:44] to staff can also go out and witness it themselves so i'm not trying to put

[36:48] anything on the public at all but if they chose to they could and then the

[36:52] other method would just be to regularly monitor

[36:55] certain areas but you know the director of code enforcement management would

[36:59] have to decide where to put those resources

[37:01] just my two cents and i appreciate it but

[37:04] maybe if citizens are submitting stuff we have some type of database just to

[37:10] just ship just to see if repeat offenders so we can tell the attendant

[37:14] you know you did it once you did it twice you did it three times

[37:18] now the fourth time this particular person has come through here now we can

[37:22] potentially go to our employee or your you know your

[37:26] employee and kind of crack the whip a little bit just

[37:29] my two cents but thank you for that thank you for bringing it to me and and

[37:33] i want to reiterate what kevin is saying city

[37:37] manager the boat ramp at joe's bayou

[37:41] our employees don't know that they should help with that because they have

[37:45] told not me but people in front of me and

[37:49] people behind me that's not my job it's none of your business don't worry

[37:53] about them and i just think they don't understand

[37:56] that at that vote ramp they shouldn't be allowing anyone to launch they they have

[38:01] the control he's telling what peer to launch at

[38:05] we could help him give him more empowerment on

[38:09] you know what's not right you know who's not really a citizen who's not really a

[38:13] chartered vote that would be how we could help stop it

[38:17] is giving him the power telling him you do have the power because we need you to

[38:22] help us help this madeline brings up a

[38:25] nice point when she says we are the ones that put the moratorium on

[38:29] livery vessels and death in which does put a level of responsibility for us to

[38:34] protect those who have fallen under that moratorium and have the exclusive

[38:39] business invested so you're correct you know we're the ones that put that

[38:44] limit on the people that are legally operating within the city limits and

[38:49] using a btr city so we do have a level of responsibility to protect you

[38:54] and the other liberty vessels that are operating under that moratorium john

[38:58] would you like to come up and address some of what she's saying too i just you

[39:02] know i just kind of this this is a good time for for

[39:06] a little livery discussion thank you madeline

[39:10] thank you so much and you're more welcome to come back up

[39:13] here too john stephens 40 25 indian trail um so kind of piggybacking off

[39:17] what was just said at the last county commissioner meeting this was the same

[39:22] issue that was brought up um in fact um the fort walton beach a city manager was

[39:26] there and he expressed the same issue how do you enforce this

[39:31] so with discussion that was brought up that

[39:35] day there was talks of the county potentially

[39:39] coming up a solution to enforce it overall in fact one of the things they

[39:42] even talked about was to hire um a sheriff officer just to enforce this

[39:48] that the reason why is the sheriff's office that's out there

[39:52] right now they're not enforcing their focus on

[39:55] speeding um other offenses buis so

[39:59] that's some of the discussion that's brought up in fact um

[40:02] there is a meeting the next i'm not sure if it's the next

[40:05] one or the second meeting in may for the

[40:08] accounting they're supposed to be talking about how to enforce it in fact

[40:13] i recommend having someone from the city of destin attend that meeting

[40:17] because i believe the fort walton beach that city manager is going to be

[40:20] attending again too i have a question on that very subject

[40:25] what was brought up to me via text the other day is that there's

[40:30] also boats that not only are they operating illegally they got two more

[40:34] than 12 people on their boats but they're dropping people off at crab

[40:37] island and leaving

[40:40] and yeah i'm sure they got some type of arrangements to come back and pick them

[40:43] up but as you and i both know we've lived here long enough and been on the

[40:46] water long enough it only takes about 15 minutes

[40:49] for a blue norther especially in july and august to build up over the the

[40:53] crest view and be through here at 60 mile an hour winds and stuff like that

[40:57] and those people are going to be stuck in a lightning storm so this is not just

[41:02] a an illegal operator issue this is going to be

[41:06] this is a huge safety issue

[41:09] and so i guess

[41:12] we need to have lance or webb at that meeting if

[41:16] possible i think and so just so we could stay on the same page

[41:20] with the county commissioners we know it's a problem now and it's going to be

[41:24] a real big problem in 20 days so mike did you want to add to that

[41:29] thanks john

[41:35] mike abbott 530 harbor boulevard uh miss ebay you had a great idea we need to we

[41:40] need to the guy that you're hiring a guy then

[41:43] you're paying a guy to work at joe's bayou he's working the ramps now i

[41:47] realize he's not a deputy he's not he don't want to have he's not going to go

[41:50] out there and arrest anybody but he can certainly get the f the fl numbers off

[41:55] of those boats take pictures and turn them over to code enforcement or turn

[41:59] them over to whoever you want to turn them over to

[42:03] i i also realize that there's some confusion between what's the sheriff's

[42:08] department rules and regulations what's the coast guard regulations what's it

[42:12] was the city's regulations cities regulations are being violated regularly

[42:16] number one they don't have a city btr they probably don't have a county btr do

[42:21] they have the proper commercial insurance that they need

[42:24] okay there's a tremendous amount of people

[42:28] more so than ever before that are advertising online guys i'm i'm probably

[42:32] the least internet

[42:35] uh tech person in this room right now and i

[42:39] can go online in five minutes and come up with a dozen boat rentals and they're

[42:43] all advertising either picking up somewhere in the harbor

[42:48] illegally or launching at joe's bayou you meet me at joe's bayou or we'll

[42:53] we'll launch at joe's buyer and go pick you up there are city ordinances about i

[42:57] realize that there's a difference between operating a

[43:01] business or launching commercial vessels i'll launch my paracel boats and drive

[43:05] around to my ground up around my docks but i'm not allowed to go pick up

[43:09] passengers and fly amount of joes by you and that's what these technically what

[43:13] these people are doing they're picking up they're meeting their passengers

[43:16] there they might have paid them online so

[43:18] they're not actually conducting business collecting money

[43:22] there but it's operating a business out of joe's bayou which is illegal by city

[43:26] code from what i understand we've had this dialogue going on for

[43:30] quite some time and and i think one thing that we haven't done and i went to

[43:34] the livery vessel meeting you know that we had with the sheriff's office and

[43:37] coast guard and all that and that was very enlightening is uh i know you guys

[43:41] are fine you have a good strong organization um

[43:44] what i would like out of you guys if you could and you could send them to lance

[43:48] is give us some basic uh enforcement ideas

[43:52] from our perspective so we can help facilitate the coast guard fwc

[43:58] and stuff like that just because you guys are the pros you know what your

[44:01] challenges are who your cheaters are and and i think you would be the the folks

[44:07] that we would look to for the most professional opinion on how to address

[44:10] this problem and that keeps you guys engaged with us we it keeps us engaged

[44:14] with you and we could try to come up with some solutions prior to the

[44:19] hundred days of summer this year you can go online and find a dozen illegal

[44:22] operators in in 10 minutes another thing the county's going to do is and i'm sure

[44:28] some way the city does it do you have to have a brick and mortar location right

[44:32] to operate you may want to incorporate that in your code if it's not in this

[44:35] already that's something they just instituted in their ordinance at the

[44:38] county level correct yes all right so that's an idea for us dewey go ahead

[44:42] thanks mayor and just for point of clarification

[44:47] you know we we're having a fit with them down at the restaurant on the bay we run

[44:51] them out i'm having to hire a guy to be there every day just to chase them off

[44:54] if you can uh

[44:56] but you know we're faced with the waterborne version of vrbo now

[45:01] but to operate that boat commercially you're supposed to have a state of

[45:04] florida commercial sticker as you know it's a different color

[45:08] if you don't have that you're in violation of that law the other thing i

[45:11] want to just check on when we first took over the joe's bio boat ramp and started

[45:16] charging we had a special rate for commercial boats because after all there

[45:20] are a lot of commercial boats that operate in in the uh area

[45:24] does that no longer apply it was a thousand dollars back then which was

[45:28] very high it was it was a lot of money and if if

[45:31] that's if that's the case and they don't have that commercial

[45:36] boat launch sticker on their boat then it should be easily enforced are we

[45:41] not doing that anymore has that been struck from the ordinance

[45:44] that is still available but a previous council also voted to allow launch and

[45:51] recovery of uh commercial vehicles on a daily basis too so they're paying the

[45:56] daily fee well perhaps we need to modify that as our first step and if you're

[46:01] going to operate commercially out of that ramp it could be a thousand a month

[46:05] much like it is out on crab island and when they're

[46:08] having to pay the national park service i don't think that would be unreasonable

[46:12] and if they didn't have that sticker they can't launch

[46:15] and that you know the folks that are doing this they're very few of them are

[46:19] going to pay that and that's uh

[46:21] something we need to have the land user attorney or the city attorney look into

[46:25] that we can modify the ordinance and use that as an enforcement tool anyway if

[46:29] you don't have the sticker you can't launch and that that's exactly how it

[46:33] was prior to this this last change that's right but we definitely have some

[46:37] ideas and we'd be happy to meet with whoever you

[46:40] you would like us to meet with to share those ideas and just give us a call um

[46:45] i'll volunteer all right thank you so much okay so

[46:48] get back with me asap so i can get it to uh lance in in in uh in webb and our

[46:55] attorneys and then we can come back before the council and re-uh um uh look

[47:00] at the original ordinance how it was done

[47:04] if it's if it's been there before and another council made a exception to that

[47:10] thousand dollar fee or whatever it was well it sounds like it's time for us to

[47:15] re-investigate that you're good

[47:18] yeah you good with that thank you thank you michael all right you guys get with

[47:23] me as soon as you can

[47:28] it comes out to about ten thousand dollars a year per book that young

[47:31] ladies just speaking right there she's paying ten thousand dollars more a year

[47:34] to operate legally than the ones that's out there not operating um i dropped 53

[47:40] names on on code two months ago last meeting we were at you weren't here

[47:45] mayor absent they said

[47:48] uh the code needed to report weekly to them what they're doing because it's not

[47:52] just joe's by you they're burning it up in the harbor burning it up they can run

[47:56] 12 people on a pontoon out of the harbor where i'm at six

[48:00] so i'm have to charge six hundred dollars for my my party they're doing

[48:04] six 612 people out there because they're doing bear boats out there and it's the

[48:09] coast guard is not their problem if they're a legal bear boat by the time

[48:12] they get out there it's the code code enforcement has got to stop them right

[48:15] there you can look online you said you want to know when they're going to leave

[48:18] and when they're going to get back it's online this man says he he can look

[48:22] online or you know facebook and all that stuff i'm worse than him and i can find

[48:26] them all day long just bing bing bing bing on mine i just snap a picture

[48:29] snapping pictures so if you guys want to see it it's right there and i can't wait

[48:33] for our meeting so bring your computer um

[48:39] three weeks ago um

[48:41] your your harvard master he's out there i flagged him down asking had he stopped

[48:46] written anybody up since the last meeting no i can't find them i got to

[48:49] catch them loading and offloading i said well right there's a boat with 13 people

[48:53] on it going to go right back into the harbor

[48:56] i can't do that i should follow them back and you can catch them offloading

[48:59] so when we're telling them they're not doing it

[49:03] so yes sir

[49:05] yes sir jimmy real quick and i i just this may be an unpopular question but um

[49:10] have we what what has been done if anybody can

[49:13] answer this question have we given given these people the opportunity to cease

[49:18] and desist have we contacted them to them obviously it seems like no i know i

[49:22] know it seems like everyone should know all the things that

[49:27] we know right we're here two mondays out of the month where

[49:32] you guys are living in it all day every day y'all you go through the process

[49:38] every year backwards and forwards to do it the

[49:41] right way if people aren't here and they're not

[49:44] involved in this way they might see their pontoon boat and think i can make

[49:48] a thousand dollars a day on that thing that seems real easy have we have we

[49:52] made any efforts to reach out to these people and say hey you got to quit

[49:56] eliminating that's my whole question to you did code

[50:00] ever get back with you right you guys all took a vote and said we want a daily

[50:04] or weekly report have they got back to you on one i mean there's straight

[50:08] businesses running out of destin harbor that probably don't have no parking

[50:12] don't have all the stuff that you got to have have they even walked over and

[50:16] spoke to them have they said hey where's your stuff at oh you don't have it

[50:19] here's here's your ticket and the the person that's that's renting you the

[50:22] property here's your ticket here's your ticket everybody gets a ticket so until

[50:27] they clean it up all right so there's no grit there's nobody i know of they're

[50:31] running just like it's a normal day and you know you have

[50:34] we are all very much in support of what you're

[50:38] bringing to us um we just gotta get it done just gotta get it done that's right

[50:42] and by and by having a citizen pointed out to the people there that targets her

[50:46] boat now wherever she's out there her boat's a target now because she pointed

[50:49] it out to the uh the people on the on the docks last weekend or so and then

[50:54] they started cussing her out she called me up and said i just got cussed out by

[50:58] two bare boat charters because i pointed them out to the

[51:01] and that just makes her a target for somebody to do something bad to her so

[51:05] yeah we'll take care of that too they're always tired enjoy

[51:08] jimmy text me we'll set up a meeting and um if

[51:12] lance or webb are available during that time frame uh i'll have them join me but

[51:17] we'll we'll do it this week all right we'll get on it

[51:26] yeah i bet i whipped his butt too

[51:31] i didn't lose much back in those days

[51:37] i will be held accountable

[51:42] all right anyone else like to come up to podium

[51:46] seeing none i'm going to go ahead and close the public comment i just want to

[51:49] remind everybody you have another opportunity at the end of the meeting

[51:53] all right let's press on here

[51:58] i'll uh entertain a motion for the consent agenda i'll make that motion i

[52:03] have a motion

[52:07] i have a second uh just for clarity that's a consent agenda items a through

[52:12] f because we had to change all right

[52:15] seeing no further discussion smoke please

[52:22] if i don't take a note i'll forget all right now i get to do my little

[52:27] mirror thing first up we have a proclamation of

[52:32] drinking water week

[52:51] [Music]

[52:56] city of destin proclamation drinking water week may 1st through the 7th 2022

[53:02] whereas water is our most valuable natural resource and whereas drinking

[53:06] water serves a vital role in daily life serving as an essential purpose to

[53:10] health hydration hygiene needs for the quality of life of our citizens to enjoy

[53:15] and whereas tap water delivers public health protection fire protection

[53:20] support for our economy and the quality of life we enjoy

[53:24] and whereas the hard work performed by the entire water sector designing

[53:28] capital product products projects operators ensuring the safety and

[53:33] quality of drinking water or a member of a pipe crew maintaining the

[53:36] infrastructure communities rely on to transport high quality drinking water

[53:41] from its source to consumers taps and whereas the kona

[53:47] coronavirus pandemic has shown a light on the importance of drinking water for

[53:51] health hydration and hygiene needs and whereas we are all stewards of the water

[53:56] infrastructure upon which fewer generations depend and whereas the

[54:00] citizens of our city are called upon to help protect our sources of water from

[54:04] pollution practice water conservation and get involved with their water by

[54:08] familiarizing themselves with it and whereas deaths and water users is the

[54:13] water service provider for our area now therefore be resolved by that virtue

[54:18] of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of destin i do hereby

[54:23] proclaim may 1st through the 7th as drinking water

[54:27] week lockwood would you like to say word yes

[54:30] one of the messages we want to get out is that tap water is there when you when

[54:34] it's needed and it takes a team to make that happen and we're grateful to one of

[54:38] our team members the city of destin to make that happen so we can supply the

[54:42] needs of our community thank you mayor thank you

[54:46] [Applause]

[55:00] up next michael would you like to join us and

[55:04] your staff

[55:15] even though these guys work

[55:18] it's 365 days out of the year even though they're not supposed to

[55:23] uh this is their week

[55:27] two weeks all right

[55:30] see they they get two weeks they're really special

[55:34] anyways i would like to read the city of destin proclamation of national public

[55:38] works week right it's just one week but it's just

[55:42] two weeks from now oh okay ready and resilient whereas public works

[55:47] professionals focus on services that are vital importance to sustainable and

[55:51] resilient communities and to the public health high quality of life and

[55:55] well-being of the people of the city of destin

[55:58] and whereas these services could not be provided without the dedicated efforts

[56:02] of our public works professionals who are responsible for rebuilding improving

[56:06] maintaining and protecting our city's transportation networks storm water

[56:11] infrastructure public buildings and natural resources essential for and to

[56:16] our citizens and whereas it is in the public interest

[56:20] of for our citizens civic leaders and children in the city of destin to gain

[56:24] knowledge of and to maintain an ongoing interest and understanding of the

[56:27] importance of public works and the public works programs in our community

[56:32] and whereas the year 2022 marks the 62nd annual national public works week

[56:38] sponsored by the american public works association

[56:42] now therefore be it proclaimed that i gary jarvis mayor of destin florida on

[56:46] behalf of the city council do hereby designate the week of may 15th through

[56:50] the 21st two weeks from now as national public works week in the

[56:55] city of destin and urge all citizens to join with representatives of the

[56:59] american public works association and other governmental agencies and paying

[57:02] tribute to our public works professionals recognizing the

[57:06] substantial contributions they make to protect our health safety and quality of

[57:10] life here in destin so done this second day of may

[57:13] 2022. michael would you like say a word sure

[57:18] oh thank you

[57:20] just want to thank the mayor and the council for this recognition of national

[57:24] public works week i would like to personally thank my staff a fantastic

[57:29] group of dedicated individuals again who work 365

[57:33] rain shine day or night there's a job and we've got to get it

[57:37] done so who do you call on is public works

[57:41] is that right something like that but anyway uh just again thank you mr mayor

[57:45] thanks city council city manager for all your support

[57:49] especially in the upcoming budget season the

[57:54] again well here here let me get behind the

[57:58] dice there but uh again thank you all for um this recognition and we look

[58:03] forward to serving you now and in the future

[58:06] [Applause]

[58:53] good evening mayor and council members city manager we're happy to be here so

[58:57] thanks for allowing us to come in i just wanted to take a few minutes kind of

[59:00] briefly update you with with your product where it's at in the stages and

[59:03] wanted to kind of share with you real quick some some projects throughout the

[59:06] state just kind of give you an idea as you're progressing and moving forward

[59:09] with your projects some things that's that's taking place in other areas of

[59:12] the state so basically where we're at right now

[59:17] we've already submitted the f the fpl engineering deposit so it started

[59:21] they're moving forward with that you're probably

[59:24] noticed over the last months survey data collection has been taking place you

[59:27] will see crews probably um you know this afternoon tomorrow possibly into

[59:32] wednesday just data collected the last few points we just wanted to verify a

[59:36] couple of endpoints match up some manholes things like that so that's all

[59:39] progressive as soon as that data is complete we get it over to the

[59:42] engineering department with fpl and we're already working with them to try

[59:46] to get that as soon as we get that back we'll start probably within 60 to 90

[59:50] days start finding out exactly where some of the critical infrastructure

[59:54] locations are going to be and basically what that is where we've got the

[59:58] transformers and some of the switches where they might fall in the corridor

[1:00:01] so we'll quickly start looking at those locations see what we can do to adjust

[1:00:05] to make sure that they kind of fit well for the city and you know unfortunately

[1:00:09] you know they've got to go somewhere we're just going to try to find the best

[1:00:11] place that we can we can put those we're also working with the carriers as well

[1:00:16] to make sure that they're in line with that so that's typically on projects

[1:00:19] sometimes the cares can fall behind so with that we wanted to kind of share

[1:00:23] with you some ongoing projects throughout the state so i know you guys

[1:00:28] are familiar with longboat key it's a 50 million dollar undergrounding project

[1:00:32] so it's a little bit smaller but it's interesting that their

[1:00:36] island in general has a lot of same similarities as yours does so

[1:00:41] where we are right now we're close to completing the entire project it was

[1:00:45] originally seven years it condensed it down to three we're actually ahead of

[1:00:48] schedule quite a bit so just wanted to kind of share as you see things that

[1:00:52] in the industry are kind of sliding behind schedule this one is

[1:00:56] significantly ahead of schedule more importantly it's well under budget um

[1:01:01] significantly on the power side and then the contingencies that were set aside

[1:01:04] there's two million that was set aside zero's been used today so all the boring

[1:01:09] activities will be done this week so it's a pretty big accomplishment to have

[1:01:12] all of the boring activities which is your biggest risk typically in a project

[1:01:16] um done so i know when we're we're right

[1:01:19] now dealing with inflationary pressures construct you know contractors timing

[1:01:23] these are projects that are ongoing during these current conditions that are

[1:01:27] performing well this is another project we um i don't

[1:01:32] say it to to brag but just so you know this project here in bradenton beach we

[1:01:36] our firm just received the consultant of the year award through apwa it was

[1:01:41] because of the complexity it's a cra district it's extremely heavy corridor

[1:01:46] it's got a lot of businesses as you can see i've got a quick little video on it

[1:01:49] but you know it had everything that would it could be a potential problem

[1:01:53] for a project it was ahead of schedule under budget and the businesses were

[1:01:57] extremely pleased so we just wanted to that one was actually done in the last

[1:02:01] year so it's fully complete at this stage um

[1:02:05] so we did encounter some of the same thing that you're seeing with inflation

[1:02:09] stuff like that really didn't impact the project to a large degree and like i

[1:02:12] said we're under budget and never used the contingency so just wanted to kind

[1:02:15] of report that so you can see some projects that are actually wrapping up

[1:02:19] they're actually going well the procurement that's pretty much the

[1:02:23] process moving forward on this one so once we get the engineering deposit back

[1:02:27] from fpl we'll start moving forward we'll get the binding cost estimate from

[1:02:31] fpl basically that's a convoluted math equation that follows a tariff and the

[1:02:35] tariff will basically this is what your credit will look like that gets applied

[1:02:38] to the project so we've already got some we've got some calculations that we do

[1:02:43] to kind of predict that modeling but when we get it back we'll be presenting

[1:02:47] it quick um you know to council to be able to look at those numbers and see

[1:02:50] what the actual credit would be we have seen they've they've generally increased

[1:02:54] over time because the um you know there's just been a um it's been

[1:02:59] determined that the underground projects have some significant cost savings to

[1:03:02] the utility companies therefore those credits are applied to the project

[1:03:06] the um when we get those binding call

[1:03:08] assessments we're also trying to have the same ones from the utility carriers

[1:03:11] so since they're attached to those lines we'll make sure that we have that

[1:03:14] information the same thing um we'll also be looking to make sure that we have the

[1:03:20] right qualified contractors fortunately for this type of work it does require

[1:03:23] that these contractors are you know they understand that

[1:03:27] that type of work that's a kind of lowers that pool of contractors by a

[1:03:32] significant amount but what that does is it ensures you and what we're looking

[1:03:35] for is that the contractors that are working on your island they're familiar

[1:03:38] with this type of work they've worked within these communities it's very

[1:03:42] important it's different than boring out you know in other areas so we just want

[1:03:45] to make sure that we bring that to you so we'll be kind of working with you and

[1:03:48] sharing that as we go the city of bradenton beach project that

[1:03:53] i talked about i know that you guys have the two cra districts so just

[1:03:56] coincidentally we just wrapped that project up so one of what i wanted to

[1:03:59] share was this um video

[1:04:03] real quick and just kind of shows the corridor you can see the polls are still

[1:04:07] up as you're looking down the street this is the event um you know the big

[1:04:10] event that everybody waits for is when all the lines and powers and poles come

[1:04:14] out so it's just kind of a a quick um view of that evening

[1:04:19] kind of a long night and then fast forward twelve and a half

[1:04:22] hours so the following morning this is probably about six 5 36 in the morning

[1:04:27] the corridor just the significance of of all that stuff coming down does make a

[1:04:32] huge impact like you can see as you're going through the video there's a it's

[1:04:36] just all businesses it's an extremely extremely

[1:04:40] limited right away tons of pedestrian traffic so as you can imagine with this

[1:04:45] that's why it was significant with the award because projects like these

[1:04:47] typically run behind schedule not as a result of anything on the project team

[1:04:52] they're just they have their challenges so i think if you're partnering well

[1:04:55] with everybody you're working you can kind of achieve the same goal so that's

[1:04:59] that's our goal for the city but just wanted to kind of share a quick video

[1:05:03] with you to kind of see sun's just now coming up but it it i

[1:05:07] mean the impact is you know everybody at the end of the job of course it

[1:05:11] says you know the video kind of says more than the words itself so

[1:05:16] with that i just like i said just wanted to share with you where we are in the

[1:05:19] process things are moving well the projects that are you know wrapping up

[1:05:22] or fully um almost wrapped up or going well so we

[1:05:26] just wanted to kind of share that with you and if you know by all means if you

[1:05:29] have questions i'd love to hear through the process we're here to answer that at

[1:05:33] any given time anybody have any questions for mark go

[1:05:36] ahead mr destin thank you mayor

[1:05:39] the status of the other utilities the communication the other things are on

[1:05:42] the polls we asked that question a few months ago is

[1:05:46] are they obliged to take their stuff down when we

[1:05:49] bury the power lines and did we ever get answer that question

[1:05:53] we are we're working with them right now um what we're doing is we part of the

[1:05:57] trip here too was to try to just make sure what what we try to do is we don't

[1:06:01] want to just assume that what the carriers are giving us is what they

[1:06:03] actually have to the pole because we're really we want to avoid for lack of

[1:06:07] about we just don't want to this city to absorb any betterment right so we want

[1:06:11] to make sure that what we're providing in the ground is adequate for what's in

[1:06:15] the air and not more than that we just don't really want to expand that

[1:06:18] infrastructure so it's a little bit of a process as we're working with fpl right

[1:06:22] now we're working with them to try to get their pieces and and the cost

[1:06:25] estimates for that to tie into our earlier conversations with them so i

[1:06:28] would imagine during these the survey is kind of critical too because a lot of

[1:06:32] them are asking for that survey because it's got the cad format that they like

[1:06:36] to go back to their systems and start plugging in some exact numbers so when

[1:06:40] we get that survey we'll be able to forward that information to them quick

[1:06:43] but yeah we're definitely wanting to make sure that

[1:06:46] we don't here's what i can share with you on all

[1:06:49] of the ongoing projects of those two that we just said are near completion of

[1:06:52] bradenton being complete we've not had any issues with the cures being attached

[1:06:56] to the polls and we're ready to take them down that's usually a major major

[1:07:00] issue a lot of these projects yeah i'm just you know a little

[1:07:03] concerned because that's pretty critical if we bury one and the others are still

[1:07:07] there we haven't really accomplished anything yeah we're doing something

[1:07:10] pinellas and that was a big issue for some previous projects you know they

[1:07:14] what we don't ever want to see it's it's kind of a personal pet peeve i don't

[1:07:17] want to see the power company done the polls getting cut and topped off and

[1:07:20] those care lines we want the polls out at the same time so

[1:07:24] i can promise you we'll be pushing hard to make sure that the carers are kind of

[1:07:27] in that same pattern okay thanks thank you on that same line of questioning

[1:07:31] mark

[1:07:34] in your experience especially here in florida of course

[1:07:39] what type of pushback do you have sometimes with with the cable company

[1:07:43] and telephone and that kind of stuff and how do you remediate those issues is

[1:07:48] that something we have to be involved with or

[1:07:51] you guys pretty good at we hope you don't have to be involved because that

[1:07:55] might be you know um us not not performing well on our side of things i

[1:07:59] mean that's our our job we feel is to kind of rain that in and and um make

[1:08:03] sure that it's it's handled like i said we just we don't have that issue doesn't

[1:08:07] mean that something might not come up that you can't avoid

[1:08:10] but i think it's just building relationships with them working with

[1:08:13] them we just try to you know help them out as much as we can i think that goes

[1:08:16] a long way so it's just it's a partnership we just have to develop so

[1:08:20] we're working with them closely to make sure that they feel comfortable that

[1:08:23] we're here to help them not just demand a bunch of information and and rely on

[1:08:27] that so

[1:08:32] all right thank you very much thanks for having me all right thank you mark

[1:08:39] all right up next public comments um i just want to remind everybody you get

[1:08:43] three minutes um when you come up to the podium turn

[1:08:47] on your microphone just state your name and your address for the public record

[1:08:51] uh when you get close to your three minutes i'll politely ask you to wrap up

[1:08:54] your thoughts and then we'll move on to the next one i also want to remind you

[1:08:59] we do have some public hearings today so if if what you'd like to talk about is

[1:09:04] actually related to those public hearings this is not the time to to do

[1:09:09] that this is for anything that's on the agenda other than public hearings and

[1:09:14] anything else that might be a issue for you that you just want to

[1:09:17] share with the council tonight this is uh there'll be a at the very end

[1:09:22] of the meeting as well you'll have another opportunity

[1:09:26] to to speak for three minutes on you can bring up the same thing you

[1:09:30] talked about before if you don't think that we heard you loud

[1:09:34] and clear but uh so there'll be two opportunities for public input

[1:09:39] on other than public hearings and then there will be an opportunity on each one

[1:09:43] of the three public hearings we're having to make public comment as well so

[1:09:47] with that being said i'm going to start at the center of the

[1:09:51] room and work that way just throw a wrench

[1:09:55] into spoke so there's anybody here in the center of the room would like to

[1:09:57] come up make a public comment

[1:10:02] damn i can't believe you ain't coming up ken

[1:10:06] you let me down brother anyone over here

[1:10:10] nope yep come on up

[1:10:19] can we can we do one at a time or you need both guys

[1:10:23] oh okay i was gonna say you get six minutes that way versus three but go

[1:10:26] ahead just uh hit the button state your name

[1:10:29] address both of you go ahead for the public record

[1:10:34] okay got it all right i'm ben costan address is 327 mountain drive owner of

[1:10:38] rhodes auto repairs and tobacco i'm scott leach owner of

[1:10:42] destin towing 112 mountain drop we're just here to talk about trying to

[1:10:48] get the rates raised for the sheriff and highway patrol toes and the

[1:10:53] private property tows the rates as far as i know haven't been

[1:10:57] raised since 2015 and it's my understanding i don't really

[1:11:02] know how this works but luther rhodes told me that to bring it before the city

[1:11:05] council the city council approves it then they take it to the county and so

[1:11:10] on and so on not 100 percent sure if that's the right way but that's what i

[1:11:14] was told what's the rate real quick so currently

[1:11:18] um he does more stuff than i do but for

[1:11:22] what i do is mostly accidents abandoned vehicles or rests

[1:11:27] stuff like that currently it's 150 for the tow

[1:11:30] and then it's 50 a day storage which it's been that since 2015. and he

[1:11:36] also does private property which is what 125 for the tow

[1:11:40] and 25 a day storage yeah um and to be honest with you the

[1:11:46] private property tokens the

[1:11:49] the backlash that we get on the back end it's like oh my god it's ridiculous

[1:11:57] yeah i don't even do that like people i'm like call scott i'm not doing it

[1:12:00] he's way bigger than me he can i'm not i'm not doing it but

[1:12:06] the price of fuel is going up i mean today i spent eighteen hundred dollars

[1:12:10] to fill up my big record it's getting ridiculous it's getting out

[1:12:15] of hand and people believe it or not with the private property telling stuff

[1:12:20] the people that give us the most problems

[1:12:23] is not the tourist it's the locals

[1:12:27] i mean honestly it truly is the locals that gives us the most problems

[1:12:32] and we get out

[1:12:35] say for instance we go out and we work a wreck scene for somebody that's right

[1:12:39] drinking and driving we get out there and spend

[1:12:42] an hour out there cleaning up a mess in the blazing sun on the asphalt it's like

[1:12:48] 150 ducks is it worth it can we get it up a little bit higher

[1:12:53] because i mean we we

[1:12:56] cleaning up a mess in a hurry yeah no that's just like public works are on

[1:13:00] call 365s a day or 365 days a year 24 hours a day it

[1:13:05] doesn't matter if you're eating christmas breakfast with your kids fhp

[1:13:08] calls you gotta go now it doesn't matter if it's three in the morning it doesn't

[1:13:12] matter when it is and it's the same with the sheriff's department i mean and

[1:13:16] without fail i mean we got 30 minutes to get from wherever we're at

[1:13:20] whatever we're doing to them

[1:13:23] in 30 minutes regardless

[1:13:26] and it's it's one of them things where

[1:13:30] times are changing times are definitely changing cars are getting bigger trucks

[1:13:34] are getting bigger messes are getting a lot our trucks are

[1:13:37] getting bigger like in 2015 you could buy a flatbed record for 70 000. i just

[1:13:41] bought a brand new one last year and it was 106.

[1:13:45] the same way with me so when somebody says why is it total

[1:13:48] 150 dollars well the truck's 106 grand it gets eight miles to the gown at five

[1:13:52] dollars a gallon the insurance is i looked up my insurance so i told kevin

[1:13:56] i said i need some numbers because i am a numbers guy but in 2017 our entire

[1:14:01] operation insurance package was 17 000. this year it's 22.

[1:14:06] fuel is double the trucks are close to double

[1:14:09] and salaries are up you're paying guys 30 35 bucks an hour now instead of 25. i

[1:14:15] got i got the biggest truck in the county the biggest tow truck in this

[1:14:19] county my insurance for the year

[1:14:23] 75 000 for the year that's for my whole fleet

[1:14:27] i bought a brand new rollback peterbilt just like his 106 000. five miles to the

[1:14:33] gallon the big record we're four miles to the

[1:14:36] gallon and it's like you know we have to have

[1:14:40] it yeah go ahead kevin i've got some questions for you we have questions

[1:14:44] you want to ask some questions first oh we can't we we can ask you guys have

[1:14:49] any questions now go ahead well i appreciate you guys coming um

[1:14:53] this was under my name at the end and there's it's in your

[1:14:57] packet i believe as well um

[1:15:00] but since they're here in the public comments section i figured

[1:15:03] get them up here earlier rather than eight or nine o'clock tonight so thank

[1:15:07] you both for coming uh thanks guys i was in i was in the shop

[1:15:12] supporting one of them and and they brought this up and and you know when we

[1:15:16] looked into it we realized it hasn't been done since 2015.

[1:15:20] so you know i mentioned to ben there's a process and the process is what they're

[1:15:24] doing right now and so

[1:15:26] with that i was going to make a motion to direct the city manager to work with

[1:15:30] staff to bring back some updated changes for the resolution 1502

[1:15:37] can i second that motion sure

[1:15:40] got a second well we got a motion got a second any

[1:15:44] discussion we have the gentleman up here that we couldn't answer any questions

[1:15:47] that any of you have seeing none gentlemen thank you and

[1:15:51] we'll take a vote

[1:15:54] now we go sit down thank you all for coming and it's nice

[1:15:58] to have local owners and business people here to speak about the situation so

[1:16:03] thank you all right so

[1:16:07] let's go ahead and take a vote on the motion in a second

[1:16:12] the eyes haven't you know so moved so staff will come back and

[1:16:16] if you'll have another opportunity to speak when you see the documents okay

[1:16:21] thank you guys alrighty then anyone else we're still a

[1:16:26] public comic come on up

[1:16:31] hello my name is madison sullivan my address is 4507 for ling ling justin

[1:16:37] florida i wanted to talk about my concerns for

[1:16:41] the ever-growing presence of illegal charters coming out of destin florida

[1:16:47] on any given weekend you can go to joe's bayou and watch it's like a show you

[1:16:52] just get to watch illegal charters drop off at our city parks

[1:16:57] i was there for about 20 minutes on saturday and i recorded

[1:17:01] two boat charters dropping off

[1:17:05] while the city park attendant quite literally looked the other way the

[1:17:08] entire time he didn't go up and give any warnings

[1:17:12] he didn't ask any questions or take any pictures

[1:17:16] which i'm not sure why it's very obvious i can spot them from a mile away

[1:17:22] anywhere i go i've been at dewey dustin's like two weeks ago and i saw

[1:17:26] charters getting dropped off at dewey dustin i know it's hard to

[1:17:30] regulate but they're very easy to spot um and it just kind of seems like a

[1:17:35] broken system because i've called sheriffs over to my boat before and

[1:17:39] pointed them out at crab island and they've told me to take a picture send

[1:17:43] it in it doesn't seem like it's a law that's

[1:17:47] being enforced in any way and i wanted to know what you guys were doing about

[1:17:52] it and ways i can work with you guys to point out these illegal charters because

[1:17:57] i own a charter company i've had to jump through hoops to do

[1:18:01] everything the right way i pay my three percent to the national parks my 400

[1:18:06] dollars to the county every month and

[1:18:09] have my btr a place to pick up and i'm watching

[1:18:14] all these other boats just take advantage of the system and

[1:18:18] work it and i don't know why nobody wants to do anything about it when i

[1:18:22] when i point it out to them anyone want go ahead rodney i'll i'll

[1:18:29] step in thanks

[1:18:31] um i know we've been talking about this the council and staff um

[1:18:35] city manager what's what's being done if anything

[1:18:39] to try to resolve this i know we've talked about it it's it's difficult to

[1:18:42] enforce or to catch them but but what's i guess

[1:18:47] and i guess it's not the attendant at the boat ramp to to police

[1:18:51] it is code enforcement co-compliance are they doing anything

[1:18:57] yeah and so i've worked both with

[1:19:00] lisa firth the parks director to work with

[1:19:04] her staff at the launch to try to educate them on this problem and what to

[1:19:08] look for so that they can get in contact with code enforcement who has the

[1:19:12] ability to do some enforcement of our codes

[1:19:18] our code is trying to respond now more because they're aware of it thanks

[1:19:22] to folks like you because i wasn't i wasn't aware of it

[1:19:26] until a couple weeks ago when i when i heard some of the comments so

[1:19:30] our code is is working hard to get over there and i will say not as an excuse

[1:19:35] but just as a fact that our code is short right now a couple of people so a

[1:19:39] few people so please bear with us and we will get this problem taken care of

[1:19:44] and as she said it is a challenge to identify some of the votes

[1:19:49] and some of them it's not i mean it's a dime a dozen if you count 12 pontoon

[1:19:54] boats out there 10 of them are illegal yeah and

[1:19:58] just to address this madison it's not just in the livery vessel business

[1:20:03] it's rampant in the state licensed guide

[1:20:06] boats it's rampant in the federally chartered for hire

[1:20:10] business and now it's actually becoming an issue with private yacht charters

[1:20:15] and about two weeks ago three weeks ago we

[1:20:18] had the united states coast guard here briefing this council on what

[1:20:23] constitutes a charter what constitutes a bear boat contract and in the issues

[1:20:30] my dealings with national marine fisheries with the coast guard fwc and

[1:20:35] our sheriff's office that has a marine unit is

[1:20:40] you have to make a case and you have to make a case that's going

[1:20:43] to stand up in a court of law and so when they tell you to take pictures and

[1:20:47] you hand it over to them and it doesn't seem like anything's being done

[1:20:52] things are being done but it takes time to do an investigation and make a case

[1:20:56] lots of times we'll turn people in and we don't see nothing for five or six

[1:21:00] months and that but when they get them they get them really really good because

[1:21:05] now fines are up to sixty thousand dollars and just last week an illegal

[1:21:11] pontoon operator was arrested given tickets

[1:21:15] and he was out there on sunday he was one of the ones dropping off at joe's

[1:21:18] bayou i know exactly who you're talking about and he was dropping off at joe's

[1:21:22] bayou on sunday using the city permanently he hasn't

[1:21:26] stayed in court yet and that may change when he gets his fine but but so all we

[1:21:30] can do is like it's not that people are ignorant to the problem but it's going

[1:21:35] to take an entire community and it's like what we do in the charter industry

[1:21:39] is we are the policeman because we are the eyes and ears of what's going on in

[1:21:44] our community and so you just got to keep turning them in and keep putting

[1:21:47] the pressure up delivery vessel organization now that represents all you

[1:21:52] guys is totally aware of it they're doing the same thing we recognize it

[1:21:57] we'll do the best we can on the code enforcement side of things but you just

[1:22:01] got to catch the bad guys you know we can't legislate morality unfortunately

[1:22:06] we can do it through ordinances and in our code enforcement stuff but this

[1:22:10] council and myself being a licensed captain we're not blind to the problem

[1:22:15] and we're going to try and do a better job the season is just about to begin

[1:22:20] but nobody um nobody you know there's a couple of

[1:22:24] my friends they got me on speed dial they're sending me pictures all the time

[1:22:27] come on mayor this is an illegal operator

[1:22:30] the one you and i are just talking about you know sooner or later the price gets

[1:22:34] the point where where they'll have their day in court that's

[1:22:38] all i could tell you right now but but don't assume that we're not caring don't

[1:22:42] assume that we're not doing anything about it and don't assume that those

[1:22:45] people are going to pay the price at some point mr man go ahead this question

[1:22:49] please are we taking

[1:22:53] how do we do something does code enforcement have to come out

[1:22:58] and see it and then we we're now filing it or do we

[1:23:02] take pictures that are submitted by a citizen to be used in as evidence

[1:23:07] illegal charters is a u.s coast guard problem no i'm wondering what nfw's what

[1:23:14] my concern is is the the law of liberties that was put in place that's

[1:23:18] where the city of destin can step in and say you're not allowed to pick up at our

[1:23:22] ramps and even just stopping them right there in the process while they're

[1:23:25] picking up at joe's bayou or dewey dustin's or anywhere else that they're

[1:23:29] doing it stopping them in the process is enough to scare them if you go on to any

[1:23:33] of the apps that they're using they're advertising joe's by you um all these

[1:23:39] different spots like right there making a call that's something that i

[1:23:43] feel like this even the sheriffs could enforce because it's a city law so

[1:23:48] how do we so to answer your evidentiary question it can be done

[1:23:53] either way if we get pictures then staff takes that as a complaint and

[1:23:58] goes and investigates themselves but when they come out there they're

[1:24:02] already gone right no longer but but

[1:24:06] if it's ongoing they should be able to catch them if

[1:24:10] it's ongoing yeah next time theoretically if they're in and out in

[1:24:13] 10 20 minutes and we never can respond quick enough

[1:24:17] due to staff shortages or whatever else

[1:24:21] if a member of the public that took pictures wants to testify though then

[1:24:25] that could be used as evidence as well if they were willing to they don't have

[1:24:29] to staff can also go out and witness it themselves so i'm not trying to put

[1:24:33] anything on the public at all but if they chose to they could and then the

[1:24:36] other method would just be to regularly monitor

[1:24:39] certain areas but you know the director of code enforcement management would

[1:24:43] have to decide where to put those resources just uh my two cents and i

[1:24:47] appreciate it but maybe if citizens are submitting stuff

[1:24:52] we have some type of databases to just to ship just to see a repeat offender so

[1:24:56] we can tell the attendant you know you did it once you did it

[1:25:00] twice you did it three times now the fourth time this particular

[1:25:04] person has come through here now we can potentially

[1:25:09] go to our employee or your you know your employee and

[1:25:12] kind of crack the whip a little bit just my two cents but thank you thank you

[1:25:15] thank you for bringing it to me and and i want to

[1:25:19] reiterate what kevin is saying city manager

[1:25:23] the boat ramp at joe's bayou our employees don't know that they should

[1:25:28] help with that because they have told not me but people in front of me and

[1:25:34] people behind me that's not my job it's none of your business don't worry

[1:25:37] about them and i just think they don't understand

[1:25:40] that at that vote ramp they shouldn't be allowing anyone to launch they they have

[1:25:46] the control he's telling what peer to launch at

[1:25:49] we could help him give him more empowerment on

[1:25:53] you know what's not right you know who's not really a citizen who's not really a

[1:25:58] chartered vote that would be how we could help stop it

[1:26:02] is giving him the power telling him you do have the power because we need you to

[1:26:06] help us help this madeline brings up a

[1:26:10] nice point when she says we are the ones that put the moratorium on

[1:26:14] livery vessels and death in which does put a level of responsibility for

[1:26:18] us to protect those who have fallen under that moratorium and have the

[1:26:23] exclusive business invested so you're correct

[1:26:27] you know we're the ones that put that limit on the people that are legally

[1:26:31] operating within the city limits and using a btr city so we do have a level

[1:26:36] of responsibility to protect you and the other liberty vessels that are

[1:26:41] operating under that moratorium john would you like to come up and address

[1:26:44] some of what she's saying too i just you know i just kind of

[1:26:48] this this is a good time for for a little

[1:26:52] livery discussion thank you madame thank you very much

[1:26:56] and you're more welcome to come back up here too john stephens 40 25 indian

[1:26:59] trail um so kind of piggybacking off what was just said at the last county

[1:27:04] commissioner meeting this was the same issue that was brought up

[1:27:08] in fact the fort walton beach a city manager was there and he expressed the

[1:27:13] same issue how do you enforce this so

[1:27:17] with discussion that was brought up that day there was talks of

[1:27:21] the county potentially coming up a solution to enforce it

[1:27:25] overall in fact one of the things they even talked about was to hire

[1:27:30] a sheriff officer just to enforce this that the reason why

[1:27:35] is the sheriff's office that's out there right now they're not enforcing their

[1:27:38] focus on um speeding um other offenses buis

[1:27:43] so that's some of the discussion that's

[1:27:45] brought up in fact um there is a meeting

[1:27:48] the next i'm not sure if it's the next one or

[1:27:51] the second meeting in may um for the accounting um they're supposed to be

[1:27:55] talking about how to enforce it in fact i recommend having someone from the city

[1:28:00] of destin attend that meeting because i believe the fort walton beach

[1:28:03] that city manager is going to be attending again too

[1:28:07] my question on that very subject what was brought up to me

[1:28:11] via text the other day is that there's also boats that not only are they

[1:28:16] operating illegally they got two more than 12 people on their boats but

[1:28:20] they're dropping people off at crab island

[1:28:23] and leaving and yeah i'm sure they got some type of

[1:28:26] arrangements to come back pick them up but as you and i both know we've lived

[1:28:29] here long enough and been on the water long enough it only takes about 15

[1:28:33] minutes for a blue norther especially in july

[1:28:36] and august to build up over the the crest view and be through here at 60

[1:28:40] mile an hour winds and stuff like that and those people are going to be stuck

[1:28:44] in a lightning storm so this is not just a an illegal operator issue this is

[1:28:49] going to be this is a huge

[1:28:52] safety issue and so

[1:28:55] i guess we need to have

[1:28:58] lance or webb at that meeting if possible i think and so

[1:29:03] just so we could stay on the same page with the county commissioners we know

[1:29:06] it's a problem now and it's going to be a real big problem in 20 days so

[1:29:12] mike did you want to add to that thanks john

[1:29:19] hi cabinet 530 harvard boulevard miss abe you had a great idea we need to

[1:29:24] we need to the guy that you're hiring a guy then

[1:29:27] you're paying a guy to work at joe's bayou he's working the ramps now i

[1:29:31] realize he's not a deputy he's not he don't want to have he's not going to go

[1:29:35] out there and arrest anybody but he can certainly get the f the fl numbers off

[1:29:39] of those boats take pictures and turn them over to code enforcement or turn

[1:29:44] them over to whoever you want to turn them over to

[1:29:47] i i also realize that there's some confusion between what's the sheriff's

[1:29:52] department rules and regulations what's the coast guard regulations what's

[1:29:56] was the city's regulations cities regulations are being violated regularly

[1:30:01] number one they don't have a city btr they probably don't have a county btr do

[1:30:05] they have the proper commercial insurance that they need

[1:30:09] okay there's a tremendous amount of people

[1:30:12] more so than ever before that are advertising online guys i'm i'm probably

[1:30:16] the least internet

[1:30:19] uh tech person in this room right now and i

[1:30:23] can go online in five minutes and come up with a dozen boat rentals and they

[1:30:27] were all advertising either picking up somewhere in the harbor

[1:30:32] illegally are launching at joe's bayou you meet me at joe's bayou oh we'll

[1:30:37] we'll launch at joe's buy and go pick you up there are city ordinances about i

[1:30:42] realize that there's a difference between operating a

[1:30:45] business or launching commercial vessels i'll launch my paracel boats and drive

[1:30:49] around to my ground up around to my docks but i'm not allowed to go pick up

[1:30:54] passengers and fly amount of joes by you and that's what these technically what

[1:30:57] these people are doing they're picking up they're meeting their passengers

[1:31:00] there they might have paid them online so

[1:31:03] they're not actually conducting business collecting money

[1:31:07] there but it's operating a business out of joe's bayou which is illegal by city

[1:31:11] code from what i understand we've had this dialogue going on for quite some

[1:31:15] time and and i think one thing that we haven't done and i went to the livery

[1:31:19] vessel meeting you know that we had with the sheriff's office and coast guard and

[1:31:22] all that and that was very enlightening is uh i know you guys are fine you have

[1:31:26] a good strong organization um what i would like out of you guys if you

[1:31:30] could and you could send them to lance is give us some basic

[1:31:34] uh enforcement ideas from our perspective so we can help

[1:31:39] facilitate the coast guard fwc and stuff like that just because you

[1:31:44] guys are the pros you know what your challenges are who your cheaters are and

[1:31:49] and i think you would be the the folks that we would look to for the most

[1:31:53] professional opinion on how to address this problem and that keeps you guys

[1:31:57] engaged with us we it keeps us engaged with you and we could try to

[1:32:01] come up with some solutions prior to the hundred days of summer this year you can

[1:32:05] go online and find a dozen illegal operators in in 10 minutes another thing

[1:32:10] the company's going to do is and i'm sure if some way the city does it do you

[1:32:14] have to have a brick and mortar location right to operate you may want to

[1:32:18] incorporate that in your code if it's not in this already that's something

[1:32:21] they just instituted in their ordinance at the county level correct yes all

[1:32:24] right so that's an idea for us dewey go ahead thanks mayor and just for point of

[1:32:29] clarification you know we we're having a fit with them

[1:32:33] down at at the restaurant on the bay we run them out i'm having to hire a guy to

[1:32:37] be there every day just to chase them off if you can

[1:32:41] but you know we're faced with the waterborne version of vrbo now

[1:32:46] but to operate that boat commercially you're supposed to have a state of

[1:32:49] florida commercial sticker as you know it's a different color

[1:32:53] if you don't have that you're in violation of that law the other thing i

[1:32:56] want to just check on when we first took over the joe's bio boat ramp and started

[1:33:01] charging we had a special rate for commercial

[1:33:03] boats because after all there are a lot of commercial boats that operate in the

[1:33:07] uh area does that no longer apply it was a

[1:33:10] thousand dollars back then which was very high

[1:33:13] it was it was a lot of money and if if that's if that's the case

[1:33:18] and they don't have that commercial um launch sticker on their boat

[1:33:23] then it should be easily enforced are we not doing that anymore has that been

[1:33:27] struck from the ordinance that is still available but a previous

[1:33:32] council also voted to allow launch and recovery of

[1:33:37] commercial vehicles on a daily basis too so they're paying the daily fee well

[1:33:42] perhaps we need to modify that as our first step and if you're going to

[1:33:46] operate commercially out of that ramp it could be a thousand a month much like it

[1:33:50] is out on crab island and when they're

[1:33:52] having to pay the national park service i don't think that would be unreasonable

[1:33:56] and if they didn't have that sticker they can't launch

[1:34:00] and that you know the folks that are doing this they're very few of them are

[1:34:03] going to pay that and that's uh

[1:34:06] something we need to have the land user attorney or the city attorney look into

[1:34:09] that we can modify the ordinance and use that as an enforcement tool anyway if

[1:34:13] you don't have the sticker you can't launch and that that's exactly how it

[1:34:17] was prior to this this last change that's right but we definitely have some

[1:34:21] ideas and we'd be happy to meet with whoever you

[1:34:24] you would like us to meet with to share those ideas plans just give us a call um

[1:34:29] i'll volunteer all right thank you so much okay so

[1:34:33] get back with me asap so i can get it to uh lance and in in uh and webb and our

[1:34:39] attorneys and then we can come back before the council and re-uh um

[1:34:44] look at the original ordinance how it was done

[1:34:49] if it's if it's been there before and another council made a exception to that

[1:34:55] thousand dollar fee or whatever it was well it sounds like it's time for us to

[1:35:00] re-investigate that you're good

[1:35:03] yeah you good with that thank you thank you michael all right you guys get with

[1:35:07] me as soon as you can

[1:35:13] it comes out to about ten thousand dollars a year per boat that young

[1:35:16] lady's just speaking right there she's paying ten thousand dollars more a year

[1:35:19] to operate legally than the ones that's out there not operating um i dropped 53

[1:35:24] names on on code two months ago last meeting we were at you weren't here

[1:35:29] mayor absent they said

[1:35:33] uh the code needed to report weekly to them what they're doing because it's not

[1:35:36] just joe's bayou they're burning it up in the harbor burning it up it can run

[1:35:41] 12 people on a pontoon out of the harbor where i'm at six

[1:35:44] so i'm have to charge six hundred dollars for my my party they're doing

[1:35:49] 600 for 12 people out there because they're doing bear boats out there and

[1:35:53] it's the coast guard is not their problem if they're a legal bear boat by

[1:35:56] the time they get out there it's the code code enforcement has got to stop

[1:36:00] them right there you can look online you said you want to know when they're going

[1:36:02] to leave and when they're going to get back it's online this man says he he can

[1:36:06] look online or you know facebook and all that stuff i'm worse than him and i can

[1:36:10] find them all day long just bing bing bing bing bing on mine i just snap a

[1:36:13] picture snap a picture so if you guys want to see it it's right there and i

[1:36:17] can't wait for our meeting [Laughter]

[1:36:20] so bring your computer three weeks ago

[1:36:25] um you're you're harbor master he's out

[1:36:28] there i flagged him down asking me had he stopped written anybody up since the

[1:36:31] last meeting no i can't find him i gotta catch some loading and offload and i

[1:36:35] said well right there's a boat with 13 people on it going to go right back into

[1:36:39] the harbor i can't do that i should fall back and

[1:36:43] you can catch them offloading so when we're telling them they're not doing it

[1:36:47] so yes sir

[1:36:50] yes sir jimmy real quick and i i just this may be an unpopular question but um

[1:36:54] have we what what has been done if anybody can

[1:36:58] answer this question have we given given these people the opportunity to cease

[1:37:02] and desist have we contacted them to them obviously it seems like i know i

[1:37:07] know it's it seems like everyone should know all the things that

[1:37:12] we know right we're here two mondays out of the month where

[1:37:16] you guys are living in it all day every day y'all you go through the process

[1:37:22] every year backwards and forwards to do it the

[1:37:25] right way if people aren't here and they're not

[1:37:28] involved in this way they might see their pontoon boat and think i can make

[1:37:32] a thousand dollars a day on that thing that seems real easy have we have we

[1:37:37] made any efforts to reach out to these people and say hey you got to quit

[1:37:41] eliminating something that's my whole question to you did code

[1:37:44] ever get back with you right you guys all took a vote and said we want a daily

[1:37:48] or weekly report have they got back to you on one i mean there's straight

[1:37:52] businesses running out of the destin harbor that probably don't have no

[1:37:56] parking don't have all the stuff that you got to have have they even walked

[1:38:00] over and spoke to them as they say hey where's your stuff at oh you don't have

[1:38:03] it here's here's your ticket and the the person that's that's renting you the

[1:38:07] property here's your ticket here's your ticket everybody gets a ticket so until

[1:38:11] they clean it up all right so there's no imprint there's nobody i know of they're

[1:38:15] running just like it's a normal day and you know you have

[1:38:19] we are all very much in support of what you're

[1:38:22] bringing to us um we just gotta get it done just gotta get it done that's right

[1:38:26] and by and by having a citizen pointed out to the people there that targets her

[1:38:30] boat now where she's out there her boat's a target now because she pointed

[1:38:34] it out to the uh the people on the on the docks last weekend or so and then

[1:38:39] they started cussing her out she called me up and said i just got cussed out by

[1:38:42] two bare boat charters because i pointed them out to the

[1:38:46] and that just makes her a target for somebody to do something bad to her so

[1:38:50] yeah we'll take care of that too they're always tired enjoy

[1:38:53] jimmy text me we'll set up a meeting and um if

[1:38:57] lance or weber available during that time frame uh i'll have them join me but

[1:39:01] we'll we'll do it this week all right we'll get on it

[1:39:11] yeah i bet i whipped his butt too

[1:39:15] i didn't lose much back in those days

[1:39:21] i will be held accountable

[1:39:27] all right anyone else like to come up to podium

[1:39:30] seeing none i'm going to go ahead and close the public comment i just want to

[1:39:34] remind everybody you have another opportunity at the end of the meeting

[1:39:37] all right let's press on here

[1:39:42] i'll entertain a motion for the consent agenda i'll make that motion i have a

[1:39:48] motion

[1:39:51] i have a second uh just for clarity that's a consent agenda items a through

[1:39:56] f because we had to change all right

[1:39:59] seeing no further discussion smoke please

[1:40:08] the vote is unanimous so moved

[1:40:16] moving right along lance take it away thank you mr mayor um item 4a is a solid

[1:40:22] waste franchise negotiations with waste management incorporated if you remember

[1:40:27] council had asked staff to reach out to waste management see if we could

[1:40:32] enter into some negotiations for an upcoming contract and uh waste

[1:40:37] management has come back and given us a proposal that we believe

[1:40:42] is a fair proposal it keeps the level of service at the same

[1:40:47] level as a

[1:40:49] customer of theirs personally i think i mean i've i've got zero complaints with

[1:40:54] the level of service that i've been getting from them in years and i hear

[1:40:57] the same from other residents around town

[1:41:01] um there is a basic flat rate of approximately 10 percent increase that

[1:41:06] they're recommending which in today's day and age does not seem unreasonable

[1:41:11] they're all also outlined three different franchise fee percentages that

[1:41:16] we could utilize one three and six percent and i believe

[1:41:21] even at six percent um the total increase quarterly for someone

[1:41:25] like myself on residential um use would only be around an additional ten dollars

[1:41:31] a quarter i know it is different for the business rates but we do have

[1:41:36] members of the waste management here and we have mr warren here if you have

[1:41:42] additional questions about this item i have a few questions up

[1:41:47] uh lined up and uh if need be to answer those questions i'll ask one of the

[1:41:52] gentlemen here to come up and answer them for us mr destin you're first

[1:41:57] thank you mayor um the franchise agreement if memory

[1:42:02] serves me correctly is in the form of an ordinance that we

[1:42:05] pass last time i remember doing one it was 20

[1:42:09] or 30 pages long or something like that

[1:42:13] do we have a redline version and any change that it might be to look at

[1:42:20] we do not not tonight um staff is looking for

[1:42:23] council's permission to move forward with drawing that up and bringing it

[1:42:26] back for approval well of course as i often say the devil's in the

[1:42:31] details you know as far as going forward and let

[1:42:34] them present that to us i don't have a problem with that but we do need that in

[1:42:38] order to make an intelligent decision the other question i would have i

[1:42:43] couldn't clearly ascertain the difference in the

[1:42:46] commercial rates i was able to see the residential

[1:42:49] is is that somewhere in this data and i

[1:42:53] missed it uh the re the commercial rates are in

[1:42:57] the agenda item it is immediately after the day and what the future costs will

[1:43:02] be i believe that was actually the proposed

[1:43:05] cost i did not believe we had the uh original the current costs in there i

[1:43:09] think you're correct a little hard to make a comparison yes you're correct sir

[1:43:13] okay i don't mind sporting going forward but

[1:43:16] there's a lot of questions that i have in my mind

[1:43:18] and this is pretty important decision and it's one that we have a lot of

[1:43:24] responsibility to know what in the world we're doing

[1:43:27] and without those answers that's that's a uh

[1:43:32] that's a problem the other thing i would point out is

[1:43:35] what are the total amounts of revenue that the change

[1:43:39] of one percent to three percent to six percent and franchise fees

[1:43:44] will bring to the city is it in there yes it's about forty

[1:43:48] thousand per percent we currently are one percent forty thousand

[1:43:53] so if we went from one to six that's 240 thousand dollars more

[1:44:01] right again okay

[1:44:04] well you know this is

[1:44:06] any way you look around this is a tax they collected for us but it's a tax

[1:44:11] and uh before i would be prepared i hope we're not making a decision on that

[1:44:15] tonight this is just uh what could be done

[1:44:19] but before we raise taxes to that amount we need to think long and hard and get

[1:44:22] some public testimony on it

[1:44:25] thanks mr bagby then mr braden thank you mr

[1:44:30] mayor i moved to direct the city manager and

[1:44:34] city attorney to bring back to council in ordinance form a solid waste

[1:44:39] franchise agreement with waste management incorporated in the form of

[1:44:42] oh there it is in the form of an ordinance and set the franchise fee at

[1:44:46] six percent further i would like to see that

[1:44:51] franchise fee dedicated to the parks and the storm water

[1:44:56] i wouldn't be opposed to it being dedicated undergrounding also

[1:45:00] but at least to the parks and the uh storm water and i wish bobby were

[1:45:04] here tonight because to me that's that's it's a green a sustainability issue so

[1:45:11] you're kind of taking it from the waist

[1:45:15] and improving uh the environment empire tree so i'll go

[1:45:20] with that i'll second it okay

[1:45:24] and then i got a motion in a second mr uh baby stuff some more go ahead thank

[1:45:29] you thank you ms mayor i appreciate that the uh

[1:45:32] and like everybody else this is the a couple of things

[1:45:37] lease complaints you know this the sheriff's office

[1:45:41] the franchise fee i do understand that it's a tax i also understand that the

[1:45:45] other franchise fees are six percent and it's hard for me to reconcile

[1:45:50] why one group would get a one percent

[1:45:54] franchise fee and the other two groups would get a six percent franchise fee if

[1:46:00] one percent's best then it ought to be one percent for everybody but i don't i

[1:46:04] think we ought to get something for them to use you know the privilege of having

[1:46:08] that franchise fee so that that's kind of why i've landed on the six percent

[1:46:14] the uh but they they do a good job and so i and it's a minimal increase i

[1:46:20] didn't realize i forgot i'm eligible for discounted rate now okay

[1:46:25] [Laughter]

[1:46:30] mr braden thank you mayor um i was gonna make the

[1:46:34] same motion up to the six percent then he kind of lost me after that

[1:46:38] um i liked it

[1:46:42] no i'm just saying i was in favor for it up until the six

[1:46:47] percent and then kind of lost my interest after that

[1:46:50] because i'd like to have more information of

[1:46:54] where you know just all out of the blue say

[1:46:57] that 40 000 a year would go to storm water or something

[1:47:00] else or is there another place that it could be used or

[1:47:04] um like get some maybe some input from

[1:47:06] crystal or you know seems like we're getting grants and

[1:47:11] stuff for for stormwater i mean where did that i guess i'm just asking where

[1:47:14] did that come from sure so we have if you look at some of our outstanding

[1:47:19] cost potential costs we have a lot of storm water projects that need to be

[1:47:23] addressed in this city just like we are having a dedicated stream

[1:47:29] for beach purchase just like we were having

[1:47:32] a dedicated stream of income for the undergrounding of utilities

[1:47:36] we need to have something you know and just like we have gas tax for sidewalks

[1:47:40] and road striping and road paving and stuff

[1:47:44] dedicated for that purpose the

[1:47:47] we need to have something where we can say

[1:47:51] this is at least how much storm water improvements or how much park

[1:47:54] improvements we're going to do and we've got a lot of you know maintaining all

[1:47:58] these parks that we're adding that that's revenue we've got to come

[1:48:02] from somewhere to to cover those expenses and this is and i will when we

[1:48:08] get into the half penny you'll see that

[1:48:12] uh right now the staff i think has 10 percent going to public works public

[1:48:17] safety projects a million two a year

[1:48:21] for unnamed public works public safety projects i i kind of flipped that

[1:48:27] and put the ten percent or uh i'm going to recommend

[1:48:31] we flip that and put the 10 percent in storm water and then the 5

[1:48:35] in the public works public safety because when i

[1:48:38] met with the staff today they couldn't tell me you know what those projects are

[1:48:42] now i know they have a meeting tomorrow and michael's going to ask them but

[1:48:47] we've got to figure out our our funding our funding streams with our projected

[1:48:52] expenses and so that's that's where this is coming from we have some known

[1:48:57] expected expenses in stormwater and in the parks and so that's that's

[1:49:02] why i want to a funding source for that

[1:49:08] i'd like to make it a substantive motion along the vein of

[1:49:12] what mr braden said and i to agree to go forward with the uh

[1:49:16] let the franchise be be brought forth i strongly disagree with the six percent

[1:49:22] and the one thing i would point out in this argument is that waste management

[1:49:25] doesn't pay that six percent florida power light doesn't pay our

[1:49:29] eight percent the citizens of destin pay those motion to uh go forward with all

[1:49:34] of the motion with the exception of the six

[1:49:37] percent tonight if you don't mind and i know where

[1:49:43] you're going with that can we finish our just

[1:49:46] can can we let mr um uh brayden finish kevin speak and me speak

[1:49:52] or you want to go ahead and make this so i'll do respect mayor when you make a

[1:49:55] substitute i know that would be what was being discussed but now robert's rule is

[1:50:00] a guide so i was asking for a little flexibility

[1:50:04] but go ahead you you have the right and you can make a substitute right if it

[1:50:07] doesn't go anywhere then it's not worth discussing i'll second it

[1:50:14] all right so substitute motion now is to um

[1:50:19] do all that without did you want to put a percentage you just didn't want six

[1:50:23] percent

[1:50:27] okay why we should increase by another two

[1:50:30] hundred thousand and i'd point out we've just increased the

[1:50:34] the power franchise by the tune of eight hundred thousand dollars a year yeah

[1:50:38] these are all taxes gulf power none of those people pay these i'll make my

[1:50:42] argument after we go ahead we got a substitute motion and we have a second

[1:50:47] so we're gonna further our farther further our discussion mr braden you

[1:50:51] still have the floor thank you sir

[1:50:54] um i i agree with jim i'd just like to keep

[1:50:58] that maybe keep that money in storm water not

[1:51:01] spread it too thin over projects um and do staff do we city manager do we

[1:51:06] not have money coming from somewhere that's directed to storm water we can

[1:51:10] use for stormwater

[1:51:14] we do have some i don't know if crystal wants to touch on

[1:51:18] i mean it's not large we do have some from the

[1:51:21] federal government that should be coming in in the future but we don't have a

[1:51:24] guarantee of that yeah okay so we don't have a dedicated

[1:51:28] revenue stream for to address our stormwater issues

[1:51:31] uh what we do have in the pipeline um are two grants

[1:51:36] we have the american rescue plan act funding that we would like to apply

[1:51:41] towards stormwater and and those projects need to be brought before

[1:51:44] council for you to review before we dedicate the

[1:51:48] american rescue plan act money to those projects we also have this um

[1:51:53] okaloosa half penny which the the next item on our agenda will be looking at

[1:51:58] the okaloosa half penny infrastructure surtax that will be coming in over this

[1:52:02] 10-year period from 2019 to 2029 and i'm proposing that we use some of that

[1:52:08] in the next agenda item i'm proposing that we use some of that to address

[1:52:11] stormwater issues as well but we do not have

[1:52:14] a particular dedicated funding source to address stormwater issues okay thank you

[1:52:18] so much and if we did um if we

[1:52:22] incorporated the six percent franchise fee

[1:52:25] would we still not be the cheapest in oculus county

[1:52:32] i believe we are the cheapest in occlusa county with that increase

[1:52:38] the rates are in the agenda packet yeah i just wanted to bring that

[1:52:42] bring that out um okay thank you so much all right

[1:52:48] mr destin were you up to make that substitute motion or do you want to add

[1:52:53] something here and then i go to mr smith all right thank you sir

[1:53:00] all right mr smith thank you um i'm with mr destin on this

[1:53:04] one and i will say i was not present in march which

[1:53:08] as um jimmy will say i was absent i also don't think

[1:53:13] as much as i love waste management when y'all were here that day i have no

[1:53:17] complaints either but i don't think it's uh fair in any competitive market to not

[1:53:21] allow another company to bid to make sure we're getting the best bang for our

[1:53:25] buck for the services that they provide which are amazing services

[1:53:29] but now we have a 10 increase and it's easy to say inflation it's easy to say

[1:53:33] covet and it's easy to say staffing shortages and all that but

[1:53:37] you know there's nothing to go against uh either

[1:53:40] at this point so it's it's um just wanted to put that out there since i

[1:53:43] wasn't here a while ago but i'm

[1:53:46] i don't want to put that six percent franchise fee on anything right now

[1:53:50] thank you

[1:53:57] in defense of the original motion

[1:54:01] even though we're talking about substitute motion is that franchise fees

[1:54:04] of minimal tax on our citizens comparison with the other franchise fees

[1:54:09] which we're going to use underground highway 98

[1:54:14] earmarking it as a a

[1:54:17] stream of sourcing that we can always count on for storm water run up i think

[1:54:21] is a very smart idea but

[1:54:25] doing that at the six percent franchise fee yes it's it's a tax it's a liminal

[1:54:30] tax but it's got huge returns for our citizens quality of

[1:54:34] life mr dest and i both made a living with

[1:54:38] the natural resources of this land and as we well know we've got issues in

[1:54:43] destin harbor that still have to be rectified we've got storm water issues

[1:54:47] on the west side of destin and i think adding that six percent

[1:54:52] would provide a stream outside of our normal trying to get with the federal

[1:54:57] government or with uh

[1:55:01] triumph money or or relying on the county it would allow us to have a

[1:55:06] little more skin in the game deciding on some of these projects so

[1:55:10] i'd be in favor of that i do agree with mr destin and mr smith

[1:55:14] as far as you need to have all the documentation in front of you especially

[1:55:18] if you're going to raise a tax even if it's only ten dollars a quarter

[1:55:22] but uh um so you know

[1:55:26] there's good parts to the original motion and there's a good

[1:55:29] part to mr destin i just think that in the end i hope that the council will see

[1:55:34] that sometimes especially when we do have some of the lowest taxes in in the

[1:55:39] state not just here in oakland county uh thankfully because of our

[1:55:44] tourism industry that we do provide ourselves and our citizens steady

[1:55:48] streams of income this city has repeatedly not done things that helps it

[1:55:53] make money and it's not money just that we throw

[1:55:56] away it's money that we need to provide essential services to our community and

[1:56:02] i think it's a mindset that needs to change at some point where we start

[1:56:06] thinking about doing things that are going to generate revenue sources for

[1:56:10] the betterment of the community in you know i sound like a

[1:56:17] someone that's a little more moderate than my conservative values but i

[1:56:20] understand i also i also appreciate

[1:56:24] getting bang for my buck and i don't mind spending money or or paying a fee

[1:56:28] or a thing that's going to benefit not just me but everybody around me so

[1:56:34] that's why i'd be real in favor of what mr bagby's doing by creating the

[1:56:38] constant the source of revenue

[1:56:42] um and i think that this particular franchise fee is six percent would

[1:56:46] actually cost individual people uh i think it's more than uh fair

[1:56:52] so next up is uh

[1:56:55] mr bagby thank you mr mayor i speak on the uh motion on the floor but before i

[1:57:00] do that uh just for mr schmidt's benefit uh it

[1:57:05] wasn't because we didn't want competition because i think a vast

[1:57:08] majority or if not all of us wanted to compete the contract that wasn't the

[1:57:12] issue the issue was the constraints

[1:57:16] of finding another bidder

[1:57:19] who could provide the trucks who could provide the trash cans and provide all

[1:57:24] the other things that went with that bid in the time that this bid would be up

[1:57:30] and because there they were telling us last time you

[1:57:34] know trucks are a year out or whatever trash you know to get that many trash

[1:57:37] cans so that was the reason that we voted the way we did you're saying the

[1:57:42] the company that was going to propose told you about trucks to deter you from

[1:57:47] another company to put a bid out i'm just saying there was a gentleman here a

[1:57:50] few months ago that that was already put a bit out i don't know him but

[1:57:54] so it wasn't hard to find him because he was sitting here yeah you can call him

[1:57:58] up and ask him but that's what they don't always order

[1:58:02] yeah call him up

[1:58:04] uh on the six percent just so we everybody understands what we're talking

[1:58:08] about uh what we're talking about for a

[1:58:11] regular user is a dollar 36 cents a month

[1:58:15] a dollar 36 cents and if you're a senior okay

[1:58:20] no it's it's a dollar i think uh six cents a month let's see senior citizens

[1:58:26] a dollar six cents a month that's what we're talking about

[1:58:29] okay for two hundred and forty thousand dollars to be dedicated and and

[1:58:34] you know nobody's more fiscally conservative than this in this town than

[1:58:38] i am but we we have to get a dedicated stream

[1:58:42] if you want the dedicated stream to be 40 000 you know that then you need to

[1:58:46] vote for this motion if you want to be a little more than that and i understand

[1:58:51] it's a tax i do understand that and i don't like taxes

[1:58:55] but uh there's some things

[1:58:59] we've been kicking cans down the road in this town for a long time and we just

[1:59:03] need to stop kicking the cans and i'm more than willing to pay not only my

[1:59:06] dollar 36 but your dollar 36 a month okay so i'll

[1:59:11] write you a check for 14 or whatever it is

[1:59:15] the uh you know

[1:59:17] that's enough sure now i got everybody's fired up here

[1:59:21] so we're gonna go through this round right

[1:59:24] here and then take a vote all right so that gives everybody a second shot at

[1:59:28] the deal so first up mr dustin and uh

[1:59:32] you know i went to goodwill auburn university which i'm not sure that they

[1:59:36] uh their math department is is quite what it

[1:59:40] some other universities but we have about 5 000 households in destin at a

[1:59:44] dollar 36 that doesn't come out to 200 000

[1:59:48] so somewhere somehow somebody's paying more

[1:59:52] but i want to just go through the increases in revenue that this city has

[1:59:56] enjoyed over the last two years the property appraiser is raising our

[2:00:02] property taxes that are 15 to 20 a year i came up to around 800 000 last year

[2:00:09] the new franchise fee that we up on power

[2:00:12] company raises about eight hundred thousand dollars or somewhere there

[2:00:16] they're about the half cent utility

[2:00:19] tax that the county appealing us are part of

[2:00:22] crystal what does that come out to over 10 years

[2:00:26] uh which one i couldn't hear you the half cent tax that the

[2:00:31] county is reimbursing us our part we're bringing in approximately 1.6

[2:00:36] million dollars a year for 10 years okay so that's

[2:00:41] 1.6 that's correct 1.6 million a year 16

[2:00:44] million thereabouts um

[2:00:47] the revenue sharing that the tdc is giving us i think comes out to over a

[2:00:52] million a year at what point

[2:00:56] do we not have enough money and uh

[2:01:01] you know we have people here believe it or not they're on fixed incomes and as

[2:01:05] we they pay that half cent every time they

[2:01:09] go to the store they pay their property taxes at some

[2:01:12] point you know folks we just taxes are going to be too high what

[2:01:17] point do we say we've got enough that's a pile of money

[2:01:21] we can address most of our needs with that

[2:01:24] and it's just one more one more tax that we have acquired and

[2:01:28] as as my substitute does not stop us from considering that over the next few

[2:01:33] months we certainly can

[2:01:36] there's supposed to be a nexus between what you charge for these franchise fees

[2:01:40] and and

[2:01:42] what's being given i'd like to hear that explained

[2:01:45] so that's why i don't want to just go ahead and

[2:01:48] say six percent tonight so that's all i need to say on that subject

[2:01:54] thank you mr dess and miss a bear thank you mayor um i was just

[2:02:00] had gone through the meeting with staff and i really didn't feel like a dollar

[2:02:04] more a month for the superior service the two times they pick up a week and

[2:02:07] then the trash they pick up from the side of the house if you've got

[2:02:11] just debris or furniture or whatever i just feel like that the citizens would

[2:02:15] not have a problem with another dollar a month basically i felt like it wasn't

[2:02:19] asking a lot it's one of the lowest things but the most superior service

[2:02:23] that we do have so my thoughts were six percent was still a

[2:02:26] good deal hey ma'am um mr king then mr braden and

[2:02:31] would bring this uh motion uh substitute motion uh to vote go ahead yeah thank

[2:02:37] you mr mayor and yeah i seconded this motion just mainly for discussion to

[2:02:42] hear hear the perspective of everybody else

[2:02:45] and i think

[2:02:48] i if we've got we have a few weeks or

[2:02:51] however long to think about it i don't i don't see any issue with either either

[2:02:55] motion and like the mayor said i think the bang for your buck if we can you

[2:03:00] know this franchise fee if it's i'd like to see the break i mean we've

[2:03:04] got the break down here but if what mr dustin is saying as far as the 200 000

[2:03:09] how do we how do we break that down but i'm i'm good with the six percent um if

[2:03:14] we you know we can allot that to where we see fit that's all i got thanks thank

[2:03:19] you mr braden and then we'll go ahead and take this to vote go ahead sir thank

[2:03:22] you mayor um i'm uh mr dustin got me thinking i mean

[2:03:26] i didn't go to auburn but um he got me thinking about the dollar a dollar a

[2:03:30] month and we're had to get to 200 000 dollars and it

[2:03:33] seemed like it doesn't get there but i do have this

[2:03:38] and it's got a calculator in it there's 14 000 people at 14 a piece that's 196

[2:03:43] thousand dollars not crazy it gets there in a hurry but

[2:03:47] um that's not households though

[2:03:56] [Music]

[2:04:07] another thing i i'm like jim i don't like taxes either but

[2:04:12] we're not talking about a tax that goes in a general fund and we can use it

[2:04:16] for some useless study down the road or waste it on some park or something

[2:04:22] down on the harbor [Laughter]

[2:04:26] i'm but this is going for storm water it's going to a particular place

[2:04:32] it benefits everybody so um that's that's why i would be in

[2:04:36] favor for it

[2:04:42] no i was just going to see if ronnie wanted to add anything to the

[2:04:46] conversation

[2:04:50] it's hard to sit there and have people talking bad about you all this time not

[2:04:53] saying nothing

[2:04:58] last time he was here six weeks ago he told us he was retiring on one april and

[2:05:03] i want to know what his standing is to speak to us

[2:05:08] waste management 108 hill avenue fort walton beach um mr

[2:05:12] bagby my plan was to retire march 31st but i think a lot of you know our

[2:05:19] vice president a lady named dominica farmer and she said it would be june 30

[2:05:24] when i retired and she seemed to have a lot of pull

[2:05:30] what yeah

[2:05:32] and you say that we're sitting back here um jake out of first with me um of

[2:05:37] course doug rainer and you're saying what you're talking bad about you're not

[2:05:40] talking about about us you know you're sitting here as a

[2:05:44] governmental body trying to figure out what you're doing fantastic

[2:05:47] we provided three options as we were directed a one in three and a

[2:05:52] six percent but i want to bring attention to one thing that's in your

[2:05:55] current contract the current contract says one percent

[2:06:01] but it also has language that each october

[2:06:04] or maybe september that this council

[2:06:07] could increase that or decrease it

[2:06:11] so i bring that to your attention because i've heard six percent three

[2:06:14] percent one percent um and it is basically a pass through

[2:06:18] um for us but um i just wanted to make that point

[2:06:23] because you already have the latitude in your ordinance i call it a contract

[2:06:28] that was initiated five years ago that if any time during the term if you

[2:06:32] do for five more years you could adjust it up or down

[2:06:36] so i just wanted to point that out and and we do appreciate the good

[2:06:40] comments we've heard um councilman i understand your comments um you weren't

[2:06:46] weren't here at that meeting and i wish you hadn't been uh because it is taking

[2:06:49] about 15 months for us to get a new vehicle

[2:06:52] and we have 18 assigned to destin at this time and i

[2:06:56] think that's what mr bagley was trying to allude to if you're a new company

[2:07:00] coming in starting up even if you're established coming if we

[2:07:03] came into this area to be able to get 18 trucks right now unless we shut

[2:07:08] something down somewhere else it would be very hard for us but

[2:07:13] thank you just keep talking to good talk we like it

[2:07:16] thank you thanks sir we'll see you next month

[2:07:20] [Laughter] month after that

[2:07:25] all right ray would you like to read the substitute motion so everybody is clear

[2:07:30] direct the city manager and city attorney to bring back to council a

[2:07:34] solid waste franchise agreement with waste management inked in the form of an

[2:07:38] ordinance period

[2:07:41] all right let's take a vote

[2:07:45] justin said he wanted to keep the dedication he just wanted to

[2:07:50] take the six percent out i thought that's what you said the storm

[2:07:56] water yeah i didn't he so it's still dedicated

[2:07:59] dedicated to the parks and storm water yep

[2:08:03] all right okay all right so that's that let's take

[2:08:08] a vote guys ladies

[2:08:11] gentlemen

[2:08:13] use that term loosely

[2:08:17] i'm not voting

[2:08:34] eyes have it so bad

[2:08:40] we we still get to decide that later on down the road

[2:08:49] yep because they're bringing it back to us correct yeah right

[2:08:53] all right ready sir yes sir item 4b

[2:08:57] um is the okla okalusa half penny infrastructure surtax and just a little

[2:09:03] history approximately two to three years ago

[2:09:07] council had divided up our proceeds from that tax

[2:09:12] into four categories and what we're asking tonight is to look

[2:09:17] at those four categories and reallocate the funds amongst those categories and

[2:09:22] add some stormwater to it perhaps because we have additional funding

[2:09:26] sources now that two years ago we did not have so i'll turn it over to mrs

[2:09:31] strickland good evening mayor and council members

[2:09:36] uh so as you might recall back in january of 2020 uh council decided to

[2:09:42] allocate the okaloosa half penny infrastructure surtax

[2:09:47] which we were then estimating would be about 1.2 million dollars a year over 10

[2:09:52] years so about approximately 12 million dollars we chose to allocate it at that

[2:09:57] time 75 percent towards beach acquisitions

[2:10:01] 10 percent to undergrounding uh 10

[2:10:04] to public works and public safety committee identified projects and 5

[2:10:10] percent was left to be discretionary and this is over the total life of the 10

[2:10:14] years not per year um just the total life of the 10-year

[2:10:18] period so what i'm proposing tonight

[2:10:23] is a reallocation the largest one is instead of sending 75 spending 75

[2:10:28] percent of the the funds on beach acquisition

[2:10:33] i'm recommending that we lower that amount because we now have an a new

[2:10:37] interlocal agreement with the tourist development council

[2:10:41] that i feel is a better fit for beach acquisition

[2:10:46] and we are trying to fund the undergrounding of the utilities in

[2:10:50] particular in our

[2:10:53] primary areas along highway 98 which is the main ingress and egress for the city

[2:10:58] and is also along highway 98 we have most of our

[2:11:02] crucial businesses uh grocery stores restaurants hotels and so these areas i

[2:11:08] find it would benefit the city greatly if we

[2:11:12] could get those areas of the city undergrounded

[2:11:16] so what i'm proposing here well there's another little piece here

[2:11:23] so instead of the 1.2 million dollars a year coming in it's actually been closer

[2:11:28] to 1.6 so we have more funds coming in i'm

[2:11:32] estimating 16 million dollars over this 10-year period

[2:11:36] so my primary proposal is that we reduce the amount towards beach acquisition

[2:11:41] from 75 percent down to 25 so we're still keeping 4

[2:11:46] million dollars that helps with the beach acquisitions

[2:11:50] as you recall i dedicated some of it last year to purchase two parcels in

[2:11:54] crystal beach this would also help us

[2:11:59] come through the finish line on some other beach parcels that we'd like to

[2:12:03] purchase this fiscal year and then to increase the amount dedicated to

[2:12:08] undergrounding from 1.2 million at 10 up to 60 percent which would equate to

[2:12:14] 9.6 million that would go a great ways towards helping us underground

[2:12:19] the highway 98 corridor in addition

[2:12:23] i'm leaving untouched the amount that was dedicated to public works and safety

[2:12:27] committee that 1.6 million dollars and i'll be

[2:12:31] meeting with the public works and safety committee

[2:12:36] this month to show them how much we've accumulated to date so that they can

[2:12:41] consider projects that they'd like to recommend that would

[2:12:45] go into next year's budget or maybe they want to hold out a little

[2:12:49] more and watch it increase and propose projects in the

[2:12:53] following year the last piece that i'm recommending is

[2:12:57] we had five percent set to a

[2:13:01] council approved projects so basically it was a discretionary fund um back in

[2:13:06] early 2020 we estimated that five percent would be about six hundred and

[2:13:10] forty thousand dollars um but now we're estimating that that

[2:13:13] would be eight hundred thousand dollars and over this um

[2:13:19] this this past year especially this past fall uh with all of the rain events that

[2:13:24] we had a lot of storm water issues uh became front face readily apparent so

[2:13:32] michael and our storm water team have been looking at how to address these

[2:13:37] items and so eight hundred thousand dollars if we could dedicate it towards

[2:13:41] addressing some of these issues would go a great way

[2:13:45] so that's what i have here proposed for you

[2:13:49] i'll move to allocate portions of the oklahoma half

[2:13:52] penny infrastructure search tax revenues as follows i need to read each one 60

[2:13:58] towards underground utilities 25 towards beach acquisition

[2:14:02] 10 towards public works and safety committee initiated projects and 5

[2:14:07] towards stormwater projects second i have a motion a second mr bagby

[2:14:12] and i'll make a substitute motion mr mayor uh to flip

[2:14:16] ten percent towards stormwater projects and five percent toward the public works

[2:14:22] public safety committee initiated projects and the reason is real simple

[2:14:25] when i tried to drill down on staff on what those projects were and what they

[2:14:30] were considering what would be available the the answer was zero and the reason

[2:14:36] they told me that the this was even in here in the first places and you'll

[2:14:40] probably remember this because it took them a couple of minutes to remember

[2:14:44] when this was initiated we had to have a committee or we had to

[2:14:48] have a body that oversaw the expenditure of

[2:14:53] this money and initially the council said

[2:14:58] we'll give it to the public works public safety which is why they were identified

[2:15:02] out of all our committees to be to have the 10 percent

[2:15:07] but then subsequently the council brought became the committee that

[2:15:12] decided how this half penny was going to be spent

[2:15:15] and uh

[2:15:17] so i'm not i'm a big believer in committees but i'm not a big believer in

[2:15:22] just allocating

[2:15:25] you know 1.6 million dollars to a committee that already gets gas tax

[2:15:30] money for sidewalks roads and things i mean they already have dedicated streams

[2:15:34] they already have funding in the budget for pretty much everything they want to

[2:15:38] see so to give them a 1.6 million

[2:15:42] dollar bucket for whatever idea they might come up with

[2:15:48] just seems a little

[2:15:53] out of the ordinary and i would think it would be better if

[2:15:57] we spent that 1.6 million on storm water and

[2:16:00] either leave the five percent in there for the public works public safety

[2:16:04] committee or the public works safety committee and the council since we're

[2:16:08] now the committee that's overseeing this so that's it's the same as the base

[2:16:13] motion except it flips those last two bullets i'll second that okay so we have

[2:16:18] substitute motion in a second mr destin

[2:16:24] um our reallocation brings some questions to mind and crystal you can

[2:16:28] help me the undergrounding of the 98th quarter

[2:16:33] we have a cost estimate on that yes uh so to get from the marlar bridge

[2:16:38] all the way to the walton county line we've broken it out into three major

[2:16:44] phases and each phase is estimated at

[2:16:47] approximately 13 million dollars so we're at 36 is that what you're

[2:16:51] telling me that's correct and we currently have

[2:16:56] the franchise free increase which was approximately 1 800

[2:17:00] correct which would do a bond issue of

[2:17:04] approximately uh well with the rates going the way

[2:17:08] they are now i'm i'm gonna reduce my my estimate down um i think the we could

[2:17:14] bond approximately um

[2:17:18] 18 million dollars on the 2

[2:17:22] franchise electric franchise fee which is half

[2:17:27] and so we have to come up with another 800 000 in order to finish

[2:17:32] that quarter that's correct now by quarter do we mean just 98 or how far

[2:17:38] inland does that go uh that is just highway 98. okay

[2:17:42] so 800 000 a year is going to eat up the majority of that half cent

[2:17:48] yes and i'm also going to be i have the the underground people coming to talk to

[2:17:53] the the two cra district committees and then i'd like them to talk to you

[2:17:58] also about potentially committing

[2:18:01] in our new master plans for the two cras committing some of the cra excess funds

[2:18:05] that'll be coming out in future years i'm working on those finishing up those

[2:18:10] long-term projections and so we're dedicating

[2:18:14] what part of our half cent towards

[2:18:18] actual infrastructure needs like resurfacing all the roads in destin that

[2:18:22] we're gonna have to be done before very long

[2:18:27] currently we've been using gas tax one and two money to

[2:18:33] sorry we've been using gas tax one and two

[2:18:37] money for milling and resurfacing the the roads and also maintaining the

[2:18:41] sidewalks and that comes in uh that's

[2:18:44] approximately six hundred thousand dollars a year that we receive from

[2:18:47] those two gas taxes and then i've been supplementing with uh general fund money

[2:18:53] um what would we do to increase right yeah

[2:18:57] so the general fund money that i've been supplementing with is approximately uh

[2:19:02] 300 000 a year do we have an approximation on what it

[2:19:06] will cost to do all this resurfacing because if you go and drive the roads

[2:19:11] after a rainstorm you'll see that they are on the verge of being not good

[2:19:15] at all yeah um actually my michael does have

[2:19:20] estimates he's been working hard on this that's such an easy question we'll let

[2:19:23] mike lane sweat huh mike now this is going to take a few minutes

[2:19:27] this is uh kind of out of the blue you're going to have to bear with me on

[2:19:30] this one but i want to say that number was

[2:19:33] somewhere around 15 million to do if we were to to snap our fingers

[2:19:39] and pay for every mile of our 62 and a half miles of

[2:19:44] streets to be resurfaced milled and resurfaced

[2:19:47] and those that require striping to be striped today i think it was somewhere

[2:19:51] right around 15 million and i think i thought that's the number i probably

[2:19:55] remember so we're coming up a little short quite a bit here and and we're

[2:20:01] we're dedicating our accent

[2:20:04] undergrounding rather than fixing the streets unless we can come up with

[2:20:08] another revenue stream as mr bagley says so i'm you know

[2:20:13] we can change this at the next meeting if we want to

[2:20:17] i take it but i'm not satisfied with plowing all

[2:20:21] of our half cent gas tax which rightfully should go to fixing

[2:20:25] the streets and the other infrastructure

[2:20:29] into yes it's a really difficult position

[2:20:32] we're in as a city of destin because we only have

[2:20:37] 13 000 residential units well close to 14 000 residential units

[2:20:43] and the gas taxes are allocated based on population uh and yet we're maintaining

[2:20:47] roads for a hundred thousand people on any given

[2:20:51] day with all of our tourists so yes we are uh

[2:20:56] it makes for a difficult yeah that uphill climb has

[2:20:59] been mars to live with for a very long time

[2:21:03] okay thanks mr schmidt

[2:21:07] thank you um can

[2:21:11] and i know um kyle might have known this so i'm sorry to tell you a

[2:21:16] curveball but mr batman mentioned something about

[2:21:20] the committee who's in charge of those funds but

[2:21:24] they're no longer a committee and we're that committee

[2:21:28] do you i'm confused by that because i thought

[2:21:31] the public safety committee was still the

[2:21:34] committee that initiates the percentage of that penny

[2:21:38] then the projects come to us for the final approval but they're still not

[2:21:42] michael's committee's still in charge i thought

[2:21:44] no that's not what i said just to be clear

[2:21:48] the muslim works public safety committee still exists it's existed for years i

[2:21:52] served on it it was set it was given an additional

[2:21:57] mission as the committee to oversee correct the expenditure of the

[2:22:02] half cent and for that reason previous council

[2:22:06] gave them ten percent as their share right or whatever

[2:22:12] they are no longer the committee that oversees the half

[2:22:15] cent why do you say that because the council pulled that back to the council

[2:22:21] i'll let lance explain when did we do that

[2:22:30] i mean last time i said on that committee was right before i was on the

[2:22:32] council and we were still in charge of that bucket so i'm not sure

[2:22:38] i just want to get clarification on how that works because even back then there

[2:22:42] was still confusion on how that worked and um a lot of money there so i mean

[2:22:46] i'm fine taking it flip-flopping the percentages i'm fine with that i'm just

[2:22:50] more confused on what you're saying now i think

[2:22:55] there's still some confusion out there and i would like to ask council to give

[2:22:58] us the opportunity to bring back some additional information because if if i

[2:23:02] do remember correctly i think it was recommended by the county that we have a

[2:23:07] different committee other than the council

[2:23:11] review how we expend the money and it would be a recommendation coming back to

[2:23:14] council but another step in the process to keep people honest but i

[2:23:19] i think it would be in a resolution form if i remember right um so if you all

[2:23:24] would let me bring that back i'd be happy to do that

[2:23:27] sounds like a good plan mr brayden thanks um well wrong

[2:23:34] while we're on i don't know if we still on the topic of stormwater but i was

[2:23:37] just wondering if holiday isle is that in the stormwater plan or is

[2:23:41] there any money allocated to stormwater for holiday aisle

[2:23:44] you know a five five-year plan ten-year plan um in the most recent version of

[2:23:48] the stormwater master plan there are no projects on holiday aisle identified

[2:23:54] um we have been working with the engineering department

[2:23:57] to remedy an issue kind of a long long standing chronic issue

[2:24:03] at the intersection of uh well it's gulf shore and gulf shore where elablanca

[2:24:08] condominiums are the town homes there we're going to do a project there and

[2:24:13] then also one on the curve as you pass la paz and local market as you come

[2:24:18] around toward sandpiper cove i thought we had

[2:24:22] pumps out there pumping water a couple years ago

[2:24:25] on down past a double curve towards the end

[2:24:30] you're correct sir we had some pumps set up at the end of gulf breeze court

[2:24:36] there is no storm sewer infrastructure really to speak of right there

[2:24:41] it's just a relatively flat area with the exception of that one bowl and

[2:24:45] that's why the the water was collecting there

[2:24:48] but and steve correct me if i'm wrong but in

[2:24:50] the most recent storm water management stormwater master plan there are no

[2:24:54] projects identified on holiday aisle that would be correct but those pilot

[2:25:00] programs from what i understand are what will help shape

[2:25:04] future projects in that area and across the city

[2:25:08] so those two projects that that michael um

[2:25:11] mentioned just now in holiday hell it's just crazy that something flooded

[2:25:17] out there and there's there's no mention of it if i if i can make one correction

[2:25:20] i'm going to correct myself in the stormwater master plan there is a

[2:25:25] city-wide swale installation initiative and those two projects i mentioned

[2:25:29] earlier in support of that portion of the plan

[2:25:33] okay thank you thank you mayor all righty

[2:25:38] well we got um a motion in a second

[2:25:46] right right we're voting on the substitute motion ray would you like to

[2:25:50] read that just for clarity for the public record go ahead

[2:25:53] motion to allocate portions of the okaloosa half penny infrastructure

[2:25:57] surtax revenues as follows 60 percent towards underground utilities 25 percent

[2:26:03] over its visa acquisition present towards stormwater projects and

[2:26:08] five percent of its public works and safety committee initiated projects

[2:26:12] thank you sir all right let's take a vote

[2:26:20] uh motion passes unanimous so moved lance

[2:26:26] thank you sir uh last up we've got the shores of crystal beach expansion

[2:26:30] project and the

[2:26:33] potential 30 plan for that area and i got mr warren here to give the update

[2:26:38] for us good evening mayor and council

[2:26:41] uh as lance described we do have the shore crystal beach expansion project uh

[2:26:46] for your review tonight uh just a brief little bit of history uh back in 2020

[2:26:51] late 2020 oculusa county and uh city of destin uh did enter into an interlocal

[2:26:57] agreement to purchase three parcels uh adjacent to the shore crystal beach

[2:27:04] at this time we have purchased two of those parcels and those two city-owned

[2:27:08] parcels the structures have been removed and are being used by the public

[2:27:15] since then for that last um that third parcel at 29.68

[2:27:20] uh the negotiations for that parcel has stalled now what had happened was there

[2:27:25] was a purchase agreement on that parcel and at the very low at the last uh

[2:27:30] moment uh the 11th hour the uh the owner did back out of that agreement so at

[2:27:34] this time i'd like to see attorney uh to uh brief us on where we're at on that

[2:27:39] process thank you

[2:27:42] yeah uh the process that we've agreed to with the

[2:27:46] county is to essentially file a imminent domain uh case against

[2:27:51] the property uh there's uh as you know we're basically a 50 50 partnership with

[2:27:57] the county on this project this is the middle parcel between the two parcels

[2:28:01] that have closed so it's pretty important parcel

[2:28:05] the before we can file the the action for

[2:28:09] eminent domain there's some steps that have to be taken i think as i understand

[2:28:14] it uh the the uh

[2:28:17] the council has already passed a motion of necessity so we don't have to revisit

[2:28:22] that this evening that steps been taken but

[2:28:25] the county is going to

[2:28:29] for instance has to get an updated appraisal

[2:28:32] and so they're in the process of doing that

[2:28:36] and the really the other major step that we

[2:28:40] have to take is draft and file the complaint

[2:28:43] so once once those steps are completed

[2:28:48] kyle and or i or our firm will draft the the complaint permanent domain bring it

[2:28:54] to the to the council

[2:28:58] for approval to file that complaint and then

[2:29:01] we'll serve it and and we'll be on that track

[2:29:07] and you know we obviously expect to be successful but we

[2:29:11] obviously can't hesitate to

[2:29:14] discuss specific details of that

[2:29:19] in the public forum obviously sabre

[2:29:27] i was going to make the motion to move i move the city manager be authorized to

[2:29:31] execute the city's 41 percent of the portion of the county's design service

[2:29:35] contract c19 2748 pw

[2:29:41] got a motion got a second and um up first is

[2:29:49] kevin thank you

[2:29:52] what happens if we're not successful

[2:29:58] i don't know i mean the process we file for eminent domain

[2:30:06] what ultimately happens we ended up in a trial what generally the the issues are

[2:30:10] or is it a public purpose well of course it is then the issue is how much and it

[2:30:14] ends up being you know the court has to make a decision and weigh the evidence

[2:30:18] and determine you know which appraiser it's going to

[2:30:21] go with basically i mean that's the boiling down and then so if they if they

[2:30:26] favor of us then they decide which appraisal then we ultimately would still

[2:30:30] buy it just at this new appraisal that the judge tells us that we have to use

[2:30:34] right and is there a possibility that that we would not be in favor that we

[2:30:39] would not win well is that possible there's always

[2:30:42] a possibility of not prevailing but on public purpose i don't see much of a

[2:30:46] chance so if uh if we didn't win

[2:30:51] for one reason or another what what happens to the fees that we paid at

[2:30:55] baskerville and donovan and all these other people for the designs

[2:31:01] just like worst case scenario that's if we didn't win that's a that's a risk of

[2:31:04] litigation right webb would you like to address that a

[2:31:08] little bit because county's taking some of this cost too on

[2:31:11] the design of the park yeah because this is the park this is a park public it

[2:31:15] would be all on us that is correct the current interlocal is 59 county or

[2:31:20] should i say tdc uh 41 city of destin as part of that interlocal uh and then also

[2:31:25] with the agreement to um i'm sorry i'm drawing a blank on the name of the

[2:31:29] resolution there on the notice to basically proceed on that um

[2:31:35] the necessity to right yes thank you um so uh

[2:31:40] we do split the cost of 59.41 and as part of that interlocal the county uh is

[2:31:45] moving forward as part of that interlocal on the design services for

[2:31:48] those three parcels and we have been uh as part of that process but like if we

[2:31:53] ended up losing down

[2:32:00] and then uh come back to the drawing board of redesigning stuff that is

[2:32:04] correct so why can't we wait to do uh the process of eminent domain first and

[2:32:08] then come back and vote on continuing the 40 uh for this

[2:32:15] plans that we're at 30 design plans

[2:32:20] the intent of this process has been to try to get this through this

[2:32:24] where basically uh the possibility of constructing the park could be uh as

[2:32:29] soon as this next offseason and if we did delay that would not be a

[2:32:33] possibility right but we could wait if we wanted to we would need to work

[2:32:38] with the county on that to put this off sure

[2:32:42] i mean just a simple question i mean we can wait you know it's just you know

[2:32:46] like we we've been down not similar because it's not public

[2:32:49] domain but you know like we wasted uh the city wasted a lot of money on the

[2:32:54] crosstown connector you know that we paid that firm again to do and you know

[2:32:59] i have full i think we would win and we public domain and all that we i'm sure

[2:33:03] we'll probably win but we probably we maybe we wouldn't and then we're wasting

[2:33:07] 111 000 uh if we could just wait

[2:33:11] until the process is over and then come back and

[2:33:14] do it then this is my thought but

[2:33:17] i don't know six figures of just throwing out there

[2:33:20] can i mention one other thing uh i i think there's a chance that some of

[2:33:24] these costs will exceed lance's authority of 15 000

[2:33:29] is that correct webb that is correct so i think uh

[2:33:32] they were looking for authority uh

[2:33:36] to give lance the authority to exceed that spending limit we're not talking

[2:33:39] about hundreds of thousands of dollars but

[2:33:42] so we don't have to keep coming back to council

[2:33:44] and i think the idea has always been to put it on the fast track as much as

[2:33:48] possible and if we don't start doing that we just

[2:33:52] delay it and delay it play it and we do have a partnership with the county i

[2:33:56] agree but what we have done in my opinion is created in somewhat of an

[2:34:00] embarrassing situation with this process not pointing fingers at any particular

[2:34:05] people or person but we we we announced the gateway to crystal beach and the

[2:34:10] gateway to the area and now we now we're possibly going to imminent domain on

[2:34:14] somebody which i know i voted for and we're supporting that but

[2:34:18] now we're trying to say we gotta rush and give a 30 design plan for something

[2:34:22] that we don't even own yet you know it just

[2:34:26] may we will own it and i get that but who cares today about finishing a 30

[2:34:32] design plans why don't we just wait six more months

[2:34:35] if it's not ready then it's not ready i mean it's just

[2:34:38] i i'd rather go on the side of

[2:34:42] we don't win and we we're not wasting 111 000 and the county's not wasting

[2:34:46] their money either but um i just i'd rather take a little bit more time

[2:34:50] before we start just designing something that we don't even

[2:34:53] own yet it's my fault and just to be clear as the county took the the front

[2:34:58] seat role on driving this design uh and they are the ones who contracted with

[2:35:03] baskerville donovan and they're the ones who are have been pushing the the design

[2:35:08] process forward not the city so we're we're just uh requesting permission to

[2:35:13] um pay the pay as per the contract uh the

[2:35:18] inner local agreement what we've agreed to pay is our portion but yes i i can't

[2:35:22] say but yeah i i agree with you i wish that

[2:35:26] we had slowed it down a little bit but we're

[2:35:29] not the drivers in this particular instance well we're the drivers that we

[2:35:32] say we don't want to do it we don't have to pay them no we can we can delay it

[2:35:36] right we signed an interlocal agreement with the county promising that we would

[2:35:39] pay our share of 41 but when design and they're already invoicing us for

[2:35:46] that well let's just tell them if we if not people agree with me which they

[2:35:49] probably won't we would just put that invoice to the side

[2:35:52] and pay it later when we actually approve lance yeah that's okay so

[2:35:56] there's also the florida prompt payment act which uh precludes us from catching

[2:36:01] on yeah from holding i heard well i just think it's silly that we're paying for

[2:36:05] something that we don't even own yet so you know and if there are partners in

[2:36:08] these things you know if enough of us agreed maybe they would

[2:36:12] work with us on that but i'm probably a minority so i'm just rambling so thank

[2:36:16] you yeah it's just going to bring a couple

[2:36:18] of things that were already brought up um mr schmidt

[2:36:22] first and foremost this is something that we've made a commitment to early in

[2:36:25] the game this interlocal is an interlocal agreement which is basically

[2:36:29] a contract we have certain things we have to live up to

[2:36:33] responsibility-wise we're going through this route of eminent domain because the

[2:36:37] city has acted in good faith with the lands of public trust and unfortunately

[2:36:44] this is how we're going to try to resolve the issue with the present owner

[2:36:49] the intent of the county the intent of our city is still to finish this project

[2:36:55] and and this is just part of it you don't want

[2:36:58] to throw any wrenches in the spokes of the wheel

[2:37:03] to slow the process down in a process that is

[2:37:07] agonizing slow in the first place and and

[2:37:11] so i highly recommend that we not only

[2:37:16] support this motion but that we also give lance and our staff and the lands

[2:37:21] of public trust and the legal firms and everybody involved with this

[2:37:26] because this beach acquisition project especially this one which is our first

[2:37:30] one it's critical that we get it done get it done on time and not delay under

[2:37:36] a supposition that we may or may not fail if we failed a whole different ball

[2:37:40] of wax anyways and a 30 plan doesn't cost

[2:37:45] as much as a hundred percent plan but the process to get to sixty percent and

[2:37:50] to ninety percent which each one of those will come back

[2:37:54] before us to prove or to agree with with the county but

[2:37:57] we're not doing this alone so

[2:38:00] it's easy to say well let's just wait and see if we win but

[2:38:04] the county's part of this process too the county's position is let's

[2:38:08] go forward in a timely manner so that's that's the horror game behind that

[2:38:13] crystal was being really nice and polite when she was talking about the local

[2:38:16] agreement we have to understand in this particular

[2:38:20] case especially when we're talking about millions of dollars that we do have to

[2:38:25] hold our partnership with the county in this particular position in high regard

[2:38:30] and work with them and and when they say they would like to continue and they're

[2:38:34] responsible for the majority of this cost then we should support them in that

[2:38:38] that effort so that's i just recommend that we we support this motion

[2:38:44] uh mr bagby thank you mayor

[2:38:50] random questions all around first for the city attorney

[2:38:54] i guess the imminent domain law has changed since i was up here last

[2:38:59] because i'm trying to understand how we would

[2:39:02] lose i mean

[2:39:04] we it's not a question of whether we win or lose it's a question of how much it

[2:39:08] costs us if we win we get to pay our appraisal if we lose

[2:39:13] that then we have to pay them their attorneys

[2:39:16] there is there a way

[2:39:20] take the cost out of it is there a way we don't get this parcel

[2:39:24] and if there is could you explain that to me

[2:39:27] this is uh this is more an action over the uh

[2:39:32] amount that's going to be paid for the parcel right uh it as a matter of fact

[2:39:36] as i understand it the owner has in effect urged the filing

[2:39:41] of the complaint so we're not going to run into an issue over whether it's a

[2:39:45] public use or not okay uh at least i mean

[2:39:49] anything is possible we're going to get the parcel it's just a question of how

[2:39:53] how many zeroes are behind those first couple of digits okay that's good just

[2:39:57] want to confirm that second thing yeah second thing i want to confirm uh

[2:40:02] web or lance please communicate and remind the county

[2:40:06] when they get their appraisal this is not gulf front property this is gulf

[2:40:12] view property because it is subject to the erosion control line and there is

[2:40:17] public beach south of that in fact i thought about

[2:40:20] going this weekend and just setting up in my you know

[2:40:25] swimsuit and letting them see me and all my glory but uh

[2:40:29] i don't think my wife would let me do that uh

[2:40:33] the and this is for crystal uh

[2:40:37] the source of revenue for this hundred and eleven whatever thousand dollars it

[2:40:41] is is this is the source of this revenue

[2:40:45] part of our twelve and a half percent tdc or where is is it having to come

[2:40:50] from us from our tax revenue or where is it

[2:40:54] coming from uh this is from the okaloosa half penny that uh was dedicated

[2:40:59] originally to okay which they

[2:41:03] but i kept it high enough to cover this okay

[2:41:07] and then i i have i assure your frustration kevin

[2:41:11] uh because the first thing i noticed was you know if you drive down hutchinson uh

[2:41:17] north of luke i'm sorry south of luke there's a little rise if that

[2:41:23] structure wasn't there you'd be able to see the gulf if you understand anything

[2:41:27] about view corridors and terminal vistas and you know

[2:41:32] design things that's what you want and so the first thing i said was

[2:41:38] let's move the structure where the house is and have that

[2:41:42] unimpeded view of the beautiful gulf as i'm driving down hutchinson and of

[2:41:45] course then lance told me that we couldn't do that because when we got

[2:41:49] that parcel uh they stipulated that we couldn't do

[2:41:53] anything and actually lance and webb had gone back to them and said hey we'd like

[2:41:57] to move the structure and they said if you do that then our rules and our

[2:42:01] agreement cover all three or all four parcels as like

[2:42:07] no so uh we're gonna have a still looks cool yeah still look cool

[2:42:13] but it won't be as cool as it could look driving down hutchinson street but i'm

[2:42:17] going to support your motion uh i just want to make sure we got a couple of

[2:42:21] things on the record there all right i got

[2:42:24] mr destin and mr schmidt go ahead mr destin thank you mayor um just for

[2:42:29] clarification does our motion include the authorization for lance to exceed

[2:42:33] the 15 000 on this particular issue if not then we should make it

[2:42:38] was that implied in the motion i didn't see it

[2:42:43] so should we do a separate motion or should we include it in this

[2:42:46] can can we do a friendly amendment if if it doesn't turn it into a two

[2:42:51] issue motion which we're not supposed to do

[2:42:54] if the number that was quoted 111 000 725 was listed

[2:42:59] as a not to exceed and authorize me not to exceed that we could do it that way

[2:43:03] or you or you could go just the amount of the current bill

[2:43:08] what would our attorneys prefer

[2:43:11] to be safe if you want to do it in two motions that's fine okay just to be safe

[2:43:16] we'll make another motion after this one pass all right

[2:43:18] and from my perspective i'd like to encumber the full amount that we could

[2:43:22] owe so i would prefer to have the not to exceed amount of 111 000 just so that i

[2:43:29] don't promise that money out to some other project i'd like to cover the full

[2:43:32] amount so add that into the motion

[2:43:36] [Music] not to exceed that's how the recommended

[2:43:40] motion reads yeah so so so we're

[2:43:46] we're voting on the recommended motion then we'll take up the issue of for

[2:43:50] lance in a separate motion

[2:43:59] frankly i don't think it matters but if the council feels more comfortable by

[2:44:04] breaking it up into two motions that that's fine too but i think it's the

[2:44:09] suggested motion was

[2:44:11] i think it had it all together i don't have it in front of me yeah the

[2:44:14] recommended motion did have

[2:44:27] before we vote i'll have ray read it okay and if we have to adjust the

[2:44:31] friendly amendment we will so stand by mr smith you got the floor just one i

[2:44:36] just for clarification is because i like to understand everything as best as i

[2:44:40] can if we lose we use their appraisers or

[2:44:45] whatever let's just say that their appraisal fee

[2:44:49] is five more million dollars than what we

[2:44:52] were hoping to pay

[2:44:56] does does that come back to us at some point to approve the final price that

[2:45:01] we're going to be purchasing what are we under

[2:45:05] uh binding agreement that at that judge's order like we're buying it or is

[2:45:10] it coming back to us to say 100 now we're gonna buy this properly

[2:45:18] well like right now we have beach acquisition

[2:45:21] based on the price that we were presented or y'all were presented

[2:45:24] previous before i got here well we have a new appraisal

[2:45:28] appraisers can't be ridiculously you you can't have a five million dollar

[2:45:34] difference in two appraisers because that somebody's gonna get losing license

[2:45:38] well i guess just general question does it come back to the council with the

[2:45:42] updated purchase price or three managers or contracts we no it's not it's a 12

[2:45:47] person jury decision one of the few times other than a

[2:45:50] first-degree murder drop where you have a 12-person jury that's how important it

[2:45:54] is under our constitution so we will have a jury that says we'll purchase the

[2:45:58] property for x amount of dollars and whatever that number is we're

[2:46:03] we are purchasing it because we're at trial at that point

[2:46:07] i believe so yes yeah i mean i don't i'm not an attorney

[2:46:10] and i know none of these people to the left of me are so that's why i was just

[2:46:14] wanting to ask this attorney just because i don't know it all so i'm

[2:46:18] just trying to understand it because it's it's a lot of money and we're just

[2:46:21] don't you know i just just want to understand the full aspect of it

[2:46:25] and there's a lot of other moving parts as far as funding and things that go so

[2:46:28] it's a very uh but the general answer is correct

[2:46:32] we would be bound by the jury verdict thank you okay here we go uh read the

[2:46:38] motion

[2:46:41] okay currently i have a motion to authorize the city manager to execute

[2:46:45] the city's 41 percent of the portion of the county's design services contract

[2:46:50] c19-22 that's

[2:46:54] pw test quarter number five in the united

[2:46:58] to exceed the amount of hundred eleven thousand seven hundred twenty-five

[2:47:01] dollars all right thank you let's go ahead and vote on that motion

[2:47:11] the vote is unit oh vote is six five to one so moved

[2:47:18] and that motion was fairly clear does anyone

[2:47:21] feel like we need to do a second motion mr destin we're good

[2:47:25] everyone's good all right thank you announcements lance yes sir just a

[2:47:30] couple um a reminder that our founders day is may the 7th that's this saturday

[2:47:36] at 11 a.m to 1 p.m at our community center and it'll be good to actually be

[2:47:41] meeting in person on having founders day again because we've had to skip it the

[2:47:45] last couple years a reminder to council that our next

[2:47:49] meeting is may the 16th and i only remind you of that because on may the

[2:47:53] 17th the day following we will have a budget workshop budget workshop number

[2:47:58] one at 5 30 here so we're doubling up that week and if i could ask for just a

[2:48:03] little attitude that i don't usually ask for um i wanted to wish kim kopp a happy

[2:48:08] birthday tomorrow and

[2:48:12] thank you and i also yeah

[2:48:18] i also wanted to uh throw my wishes and prayers out to can't

[2:48:22] kyle and his wife because number two should be here anytime now so we're

[2:48:27] looking forward to that they just got to the hospital

[2:48:32] while we're at that we also want to say happy birthday to kevin schmidt our

[2:48:35] outstanding council member on here that's great

[2:48:40] she beat me to the punch so happy belated birthday and finally to my wife

[2:48:46] of 10 years today andrea who's at home watching

[2:48:49] happy anniversary thanks for putting up with me for 10 years

[2:48:54] okay thank you lance

[2:48:57] before we take a five-minute break uh i just want to announce that uh i

[2:49:02] will be indisposed on monday the 16th i gotta

[2:49:06] get a little surgery done so uh mr destin ameripro

[2:49:11] tim if you have the honors there you go and uh

[2:49:17] and and it's outpatient so as long as i'm still upright i'll be at

[2:49:22] the workshop the next day but i'm having the surgery done and i'm pretty sure i

[2:49:26] won't make it yeah workshops on tuesday 17.

[2:49:31] six to six o'clock correct yes all right uh five minute break

[2:49:37] before we go to public hearings

[2:50:07] you

[2:50:49] you

[2:51:31] you

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[2:53:09] you

[2:55:15] it

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[2:59:03] call the meeting back to order and first up we have our ordinance

[2:59:09] so

[2:59:11] take it away sir thank you mr mayor uh first reading i

[2:59:15] think it's first reading no second reading of ordinance number

[2:59:19] 2207 lc an ordinance of the city of destin florida providing for a members

[2:59:25] to article 7 of the land development code to provide minimum requirements for

[2:59:29] non-residential components in the town center mixed-use zoning

[2:59:34] district providing for findings of fact providing for incorporation into the

[2:59:40] land development code providing for conflicting provisions

[2:59:45] providing for several ability and providing for an effective date

[2:59:50] and this is a book hearing so at this time i'll open up the public comment

[2:59:56] of the second reading of ordinance 22-07-lc

[3:00:01] is there anyone in the room that would like to come up here and make a comment

[3:00:04] public comment on this particular ordinance

[3:00:07] seeing none i'll entertain a motion at this time oh i got one sorry about that

[3:00:13] i saw you earlier i was wondering if you're gonna stand up sir

[3:00:17] state your name and your address

[3:00:22] uh name is mike steiner 74 sea breeze boulevard inlet beach florida

[3:00:28] uh i was born and raised here in destin so

[3:00:31] uh lifelong resident here i left uh left destin in the late 90s

[3:00:37] for fsu undergrad and graduate school in

[3:00:42] urban and regional planning and recently relocated back to

[3:00:47] this wonderful area with my family

[3:00:51] i'm involved in the real estate business all aspects brokerage development

[3:00:56] the whole nine yards and in coming back um

[3:01:00] i've kind of taken an interest in in some of the some of the different things

[3:01:04] happen in different municipalities and really chasing opportunities and chasing

[3:01:08] projects um in doing so modern you know checking

[3:01:12] tracking these zoning changes that are proposed for the site

[3:01:16] and uh and looking at this amendment you know it's my humble opinion that the

[3:01:21] added layer of a 20 commercial requirement

[3:01:25] to an existing zone zoning ordinance is is a little short-sighted i think it uh

[3:01:31] that there may be some unintended consequences

[3:01:34] that probably need to be considered before just jumping into this and

[3:01:38] it's also my understanding that it was initially previously proposed for was it

[3:01:41] 10 percent which i believe to be a much more

[3:01:45] reasonable uh

[3:01:48] allocation of commercial use for percentage-wise

[3:01:52] you know i've been involved in a lot of mixed-use projects so i think i

[3:01:56] understand the intent i think but i haven't spoken with anyone about

[3:02:02] that and quite frankly i'm late to the game and i'll acknowledge that um

[3:02:05] and and and they're they're great projects when you

[3:02:09] do a mixed-use project i've also been involved in some mixed use projects that

[3:02:12] have vacant retail for 10 12 plus years thankfully those projects had economic

[3:02:17] incentives tied to the retail and there was reasons that it was built

[3:02:21] didn't work out as planned and sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't

[3:02:25] uh with that said i just i make you know i request that the the council consider

[3:02:31] uh revisiting the 20 requirement on this particular

[3:02:36] what i call an added layer to the existing zoning

[3:02:39] so i appreciate your consideration

[3:02:42] anybody have any questions for michael on this what would be your

[3:02:47] something about there be consequences or i i can't hear you

[3:02:51] and unintended consequences

[3:02:55] what could that be well it's it's certain projects are

[3:02:59] being forced to be built or certain projects are potentially not built and

[3:03:04] one of them would be that you know the tax base on the property could be

[3:03:08] drastically different so i mean you know you guys are talking

[3:03:11] about property taxes going up in oklahoma county the reason property

[3:03:15] taxes are going up is real estate prices are going up

[3:03:18] generally speaking when a property trades it's reassessed

[3:03:23] not not every municipality or every county does that this isn't destined

[3:03:27] it's an okaloosa county issue but generally speaking that's how it happens

[3:03:31] um you know i believe that there's property

[3:03:34] rights that are associated with this as well um and so

[3:03:38] the highest and best use for a site was previously

[3:03:42] x and with this added layer of zoning it

[3:03:45] becomes why and it's all it all comes down to

[3:03:48] economics and how certain projects underwrite i know that's a very vague

[3:03:53] statement but generally speaking that's how it

[3:03:56] works so one of the unintended consequences

[3:04:00] could be you know the the property taxes that the property generates

[3:04:05] just depends on what the use is though yep

[3:04:10] michael um thank you

[3:04:13] i wasn't at the meeting where this was rewritten would you like to share a

[3:04:17] little bit on that i was just going to clarify something it's still ten percent

[3:04:23] for the zoning district and this ordinance is not site specific it's for

[3:04:26] the entire tcmu and it is still ten percent the only areas that are twenty

[3:04:30] percent are the city's commercial corridor of us-98 and now we added a

[3:04:36] main street at the request of council so those two major thoroughfares are the

[3:04:40] only ones with the slightly increased percentage of 20 instead of 10.

[3:04:46] i have a question because i wasn't here and i think mr destin you were the one

[3:04:50] that raised it to 20. it was proposed

[3:04:54] with 10 and 20 from the get-go oh from staff it was pr yeah it was proposed by

[3:05:00] staff to be 10 everywhere except 98 which was 20.

[3:05:04] and then at the last meeting what was added um at the direction of council was

[3:05:09] main street to the 20 that's always how it was proposed and the reason i'm

[3:05:13] asking that you know what what was i should be asking staff what was the

[3:05:18] reason for going from 10 to 20. i just got back i i went to atlanta monday and

[3:05:24] tuesday on my own on my own time and i stayed at

[3:05:29] alpharetta city center and i went to avalon and i went to silver springs and

[3:05:33] drove from midtown from downtown north of alpharetta and it was to see

[3:05:40] how new smart growth was being done in the most

[3:05:45] impressive ones along those especially the first three properties i want to see

[3:05:49] was the development of lifestyle centers which all had

[3:05:53] probably more than 20 percent retail under each one because it was four

[3:05:57] stories and the reason they were four stories of

[3:06:00] multi-family is because if you go bigger and that you have to start making out of

[3:06:04] steel and concrete these are all stick built buildings

[3:06:07] with with parking inside wrapped inside the the lifestyle center but the the

[3:06:14] retail is all underneath so when you lay out your street on a 10 or 15 acre piece

[3:06:19] of property you can create your own miniature city you utilizing that type

[3:06:24] of requirement where you have to have 20 percent so um

[3:06:30] you know we're talking about dustin everything in destin's 40 50 years old

[3:06:34] and we were talking about redevelopment our cras and stuff like this this is not

[3:06:39] just the trend in atlanta this is how all communities are starting to

[3:06:43] redevelop themselves it's basically a grand boulevard which is mainly all

[3:06:49] office buildings and retail but it becomes a residential

[3:06:54] city within the city so i think this is uh i think the requirement it does have

[3:06:58] unintended consequences and i hope one of them is that when people come here to

[3:07:02] do multi-family is they create a new community within our community by having

[3:07:06] these type of developments i think that's the trend i

[3:07:11] would hope that all of you city council members would look into

[3:07:14] that you could see some lifestyle centers up in 30a they kind of already

[3:07:19] doing that in pensacola if you don't want to go all the way to atlanta but

[3:07:22] it's really uh you know our biggest thing is we want to people to quit

[3:07:27] driving through destin we want them to stay here well the only way they're

[3:07:31] going to stay is you've got to give them a reason to stay and i think this

[3:07:33] ordinance lines up with that mr mcv yeah i was just going to agree with you

[3:07:38] mr mayor my experience is rosemary beach and it

[3:07:42] is 25 to 33 because all the buildings in the town center are either four-story

[3:07:47] there's a couple that are three-story but the ground floor they're all

[3:07:51] commercial and uh if you read uh you know the book i gave you or suburban

[3:07:56] nation or some other things on on planning um you this is the town center

[3:08:01] this isn't the you know first ring or second ring this

[3:08:05] is the town center so you want to build that energy you want that shopping you

[3:08:09] want those people coming there uh you want them living there but you want them

[3:08:13] to have something to do this is not throwing in you know four stories of

[3:08:17] apartments and oh by the way on an out parcel we'll put in a starbucks or

[3:08:21] something so i you know if it were me i would make it higher but i know where

[3:08:26] the council is and that's 20 and i'm perfectly happy with that all right

[3:08:31] anyone else seeing none we have motion have a second

[3:08:36] let's take it to a vote

[3:08:48] the vote is unanimous so moved sir

[3:08:51] next one thank you mr mayor

[3:08:54] uh ordinance

[3:08:56] i'm sorry did we have a motion did somebody make the motion made i

[3:09:00] apologize if i was gonna say there was no emotion i didn't think so either um

[3:09:04] before bef before you make the motion i i would like to ask a question based on

[3:09:08] council member bagby's um one of his comments

[3:09:12] the out parcel

[3:09:18] i'm sorry did you all want the ordinance to

[3:09:20] disallow parcels to be carved out and putting the

[3:09:24] commercials uh portion on a specific out parcel

[3:09:29] just for my knowledge and staffs

[3:09:35] i don't vote but that's what i would go for i think it applies whether it's an

[3:09:39] out parcel an impartial if it's access from 98 or from main street

[3:09:44] it follows the rules period

[3:09:48] and agreed but if they if someone was proposing to put multi-family

[3:09:52] on a parcel and wanted to carve out from that

[3:09:56] to have the 20 commercial up front on 98 and keep the residential

[3:10:01] in the back is that consistent with your intent as a council

[3:10:05] i i don't speak for the council that's not my intent i'm asking the council

[3:10:12] okay just wanted to clarify that and and so

[3:10:17] just to get back on track the way we're supposed to be i'll entertain emotion

[3:10:20] the recommend or i'll entertain emotion at this point in a second before

[3:10:26] if we have any further discussion if not we'll take a vote so i'll entertain a

[3:10:29] motion at this time mr bagby would you like to do that

[3:10:36] i move the city council approve and adopt ordinance

[3:10:40] 22-07-lc on second reading as presented i'll second that

[3:10:45] okay and and for guidance for staff on that i think the intent is

[3:10:50] mixed use clearly because

[3:10:54] i know this council from hanging out for last almost four years and

[3:10:59] the thread has always been we don't need another apartment complex it's nice to

[3:11:03] see glasses and some of the ones that were done by the county and they're

[3:11:06] needed housing is needed but it's times it's time to start doing

[3:11:11] it in 2021 style that's in the book and it's in all these other communities that

[3:11:17] we want to be like and i think that's that establishes the beginning of our

[3:11:21] redevelopment if everyone agrees with that let's take

[3:11:25] a vote

[3:11:43] the vote is unanimous so moved all right let's go ahead to our second

[3:11:48] public hearing

[3:11:52] thank you mr mayor this first reading of ordinance number

[3:11:55] 2206 lc an ordinance of the city of destin florida changing the

[3:12:01] list of permitted uses in the industrial zoning district to allow one custodian

[3:12:07] or night watchman dwelling per industrial site amending table 7-2

[3:12:13] quote table of allowable uses close quote establishing a maximum square

[3:12:19] footage for custodian or nike watchman dwelling in the industrial zoning

[3:12:25] district providing for finding a fact providing for incorporation into the

[3:12:30] land development code providing for conflicting provisions providing for

[3:12:34] several ability and providing for an effective date

[3:12:39] and this is the first reading of ordinance

[3:12:42] 22-06-lc which is a public hearing and at this time i'll open up the public

[3:12:46] comment portion of this hearing if there's anybody want to speak to this

[3:12:50] ordinance sing none i'll go ahead and close the

[3:12:56] public comment period and entertain a motion

[3:13:00] mayor i move city council approve ordinance

[3:13:04] 22-06-lc on first reading as presented i have a motion i have a second by mr

[3:13:10] king is there any discussion on this matter

[3:13:13] mr destin go ahead just one equipment and i and i spoke to lanny's attorney

[3:13:17] earlier i thought it might

[3:13:19] behoove us to make it quite clear that the person that

[3:13:22] lives in this unit be an employee of the said establishment

[3:13:27] i the intent is there but it never hurts to have it written in nice clear

[3:13:31] language i would not necessarily necessitate us

[3:13:35] to go back to second reading i wouldn't think but the land use attorney or the

[3:13:39] city attorney can opine on that we'll go straight to second reading with that

[3:13:43] change as we talked about earlier it's a clarification of the intent that's

[3:13:47] already there thank you

[3:13:50] all right any other discussion on this motion

[3:13:53] seeing none

[3:14:00] eyes have it votes unanimously moved

[3:14:05] thank you mr mayor i also have a first reading of ordinance 2208

[3:14:10] cn an ordinance of the city of destin florida relating to livery

[3:14:15] vessels providing for findings of fact providing for extension of ordnance 2123

[3:14:21] cn paren temporary moratorium on livery vessel permits

[3:14:26] extending the temporary moratorium until december 31

[3:14:31] 2022 directing staff to develop recommendations for regulation of livery

[3:14:36] vessels providing for severability providing for

[3:14:40] exploration of moratorium and providing for an effective date

[3:14:45] and this is the first reading board and it's 22-08-cn

[3:14:49] and i'll it's a public hearing and i'm sure we

[3:14:53] have a few folks that like to chat on this um so i will open up the public

[3:14:58] comment portion of this public hearing come on up sir

[3:15:06] stevens 40 25 indian trail um the question is um on the second part where

[3:15:11] it's directing staff to develop recommendations for regulation of livery

[3:15:14] vessels is that something that's getting added later or

[3:15:20] i'm not sure if i understand your question but that that has been in all

[3:15:24] of the moratorium ordinance extensions it's not new and that means

[3:15:29] that when we get the results of the army

[3:15:31] corps study they'll be evaluated by staff and brought to the city council

[3:15:35] with potentially recommendations for altered regulations removed and added

[3:15:40] the regulations may be modified based on the results of the study okay can i

[3:15:44] recommend that we also add some of the stuff that the county has adopted in

[3:15:49] their ordinance that's missing yeah and we've been kind of as you know

[3:15:52] coordinating with the county they're taking a lot of our ordinance we may

[3:15:56] take some of what they put in so we will definitely bring that all to council at

[3:16:01] one time with the with the harbor capacity study results okay and then one

[3:16:04] more question um so um

[3:16:07] if we're all focused on safety um i kind of showed some of you all the um the no

[3:16:11] wake zone alarm system that i had that i have

[3:16:14] um i chatted with the county about it unfortunately the county cannot require

[3:16:18] us to modify any equipment they said what they can do

[3:16:22] to potentially get more livery operators to use it is

[3:16:26] to maybe offer some kind of discount or

[3:16:29] some kind of rebate for anybody that has it installed i don't know if that's

[3:16:33] something that the county wants to look or i'm sorry the city wants to look at

[3:16:35] possibly adopting also to promote more safety

[3:16:39] subject matter for tomorrow okay sounds good that's all i got

[3:16:43] all right anyone else all right

[3:16:48] go ahead on up kyra

[3:17:02] and and just for the public record this uh this ordinance is just gonna that

[3:17:07] gives us uh through december 31st 2022 to work on

[3:17:12] some of these other issues lining up with the county some of the things we'll

[3:17:16] talk about in our private meeting and that'll all come back before this

[3:17:19] council before anything is enacted go ahead congratulations 616 second street

[3:17:24] destiny i come before you tonight to speak about

[3:17:28] this ordinance which is the proposed extension for uh

[3:17:31] the moratorium i'd like to have a quick scenario and

[3:17:35] i'd like to use mr braden if he doesn't mind as a guinea pig mr braden you are a

[3:17:41] building contractor and as a contractor you have many tools of the trade

[3:17:45] power equipment hand tools etc and the materials in which you do your

[3:17:48] business and that provides for your family now

[3:17:52] let's say for whatever reason the city decided to put a temporary moratorium

[3:17:56] not on your business as in a building moratorium but instead a temporary

[3:18:00] moratorium on your tools you were restricted from buying any new

[3:18:04] tools such as the latest power tools or new hand tools on the market

[3:18:08] you would be allowed to replace a broken tool but only with the same type

[3:18:12] with no upgrades and it would violate the bars would violate the moratorium

[3:18:16] and i'm sure you would be outraged and you would want to do everything you

[3:18:19] could to have it repealed as that takes away from you making the livelihood

[3:18:23] now my point that is exactly what the extension keeps

[3:18:26] doing you're limiting the amount of

[3:18:31] tools that the livery businesses can use i say this because when i originally was

[3:18:37] on council in 2017 and i originally voted for this

[3:18:42] moratorium it was for a water quality and capacity study for the harbor which

[3:18:48] which unfortunately was not started until 2019

[3:18:51] three and a half years later we still have no report and at least to my

[3:18:54] knowledge and now almost five and a half years

[3:18:57] restrictions on delivery businesses you punish them for something that's not

[3:19:01] all totally their responsibility responsibility we do not restrict our

[3:19:05] citizens our visitors and our and to my knowledge we are wonderful charter fleet

[3:19:09] yet we continue to restrict the library vessel business

[3:19:13] if as and i think if i were on the council today

[3:19:16] i would vote no simply because i don't want it to be another crosstown

[3:19:21] connector 22 years and i still don't see a

[3:19:24] crosstown connector and i feel this is going to continue to

[3:19:27] get kicked down the road each year there'll be some reason in december that

[3:19:31] the the study's not done

[3:19:33] and i think that it's time now to let the

[3:19:36] uh liberty people get you know do what they need to do there should be

[3:19:40] restrictions and since i'm supposed to address the council i hope they'll hear

[3:19:44] me in the back but delivery people need to step up to the plate too they need to

[3:19:47] do a better job of watching what's going on and i'll be

[3:19:51] glad to talk to them about a couple of suggestions i have anytime they want

[3:19:55] but i do believe that this i do believe that the moratorium just needs to stop

[3:19:58] thank you thank you karen anyone else

[3:20:04] seeing none any at this time i'll close the public

[3:20:09] comment portion of the uh first reading board is 22-08 22-08-cn

[3:20:14] and entertain a motion

[3:20:24] i have a motion to have a second second i have a second mr braden

[3:20:28] thank you mayor um got a question for staff do we know if the the corps is

[3:20:33] of course doing this study is that correct

[3:20:37] that's right do we know of another uh harbor study capacity study that the

[3:20:41] corps has done

[3:20:46] i've been told of some but miss cop may have a better idea

[3:20:50] i think key west comes to mind and there were some others yeah

[3:20:54] do we have any idea what what kind of i mean

[3:20:58] maybe what what can we expect to come out of this study

[3:21:01] they they tell us that we've got too many boats do they tell us we've got

[3:21:06] too many 18-foot boats but not enough 21-foot boats

[3:21:10] what can we kind of expect to come out of this study

[3:21:15] i'm gonna answer a little add a few the army corps you want to answer mayor

[3:21:19] that's fine too yeah i've been i've gone to some of the committee meetings

[3:21:23] because it's not just the army corps you've got your harbor boards part of

[3:21:27] that there's jim green's on there and and it's an overall evaluation

[3:21:32] of what the status of the harbor is today

[3:21:37] what it can be tomorrow and to get a feel for what the community wants the

[3:21:42] harbor to be so

[3:21:45] there's discussion kind of ironic seeing how on the very one of the very first

[3:21:50] meetings we tried to get a free dredging down the middle of

[3:21:54] the channel and change the channel that's one of the committee's

[3:21:57] recommendations ironically when we turn turn that free channel down but it's

[3:22:04] it's to uh evaluate

[3:22:06] accessibility development there's still private lots on the harbor and on some

[3:22:10] of the canals and all that's been taken into account and and so i don't think

[3:22:14] they're gonna come out and say you can't have any more of these kind of

[3:22:18] boats or you can't you know that kind of stuff is like

[3:22:21] it's more of an evaluation of how how can the harbor be maintained in

[3:22:25] a healthy condition be navigated safely and

[3:22:30] enhance where the harbor is today that's what i've gotten out of the meetings

[3:22:34] that i've attended up to this point and they'll do that in a more definitive

[3:22:41] result when they give it to us and then leave

[3:22:44] us with a bunch of different options you know to consider

[3:22:48] so that's what's coming out of it it's not like

[3:22:51] there's too many boats you can't have any more boats they're going to address

[3:22:54] everything and including storm water runoff is one of the things they look at

[3:22:57] as well so

[3:23:01] is there a chance they could come back and say

[3:23:07] you got too many pontoon boats why do you have too many charter boats

[3:23:12] um no no i think they leave that kind of

[3:23:15] decision making up to the communities i think the moratorium started in the

[3:23:19] first place because people on this council and the harbor board thought

[3:23:21] that we had enough of those kind but nobody's addressed maybe some other type

[3:23:27] of vessels i think there was an attempt to moratorium to put a moratorium on

[3:23:32] private dock development in the harbor and that didn't

[3:23:35] set too well with this council at that particular time so those are all issues

[3:23:39] that'll be brought up kim would you like to add to that yeah i will just say i

[3:23:43] think they are looking at the congestion issue though in general and whether

[3:23:48] yeah as part of safety and environmental review they are looking at the

[3:23:52] congestion in the harbor and if i may add one little bit to that

[3:23:57] it's it's going to be more of a if this situation if you see this in the harbor

[3:24:02] and we're seeing this we would recommend that if you want to go to x we would

[3:24:07] recommend this so it's it's more it's more

[3:24:10] going to be an if then if this than that type of recommendation so it's going to

[3:24:15] be based on community values visioning

[3:24:18] um and and so in their understanding of uh

[3:24:23] previous recommendations from prior studies and and conditions that they've

[3:24:27] seen in in similar situations

[3:24:31] thank you thank you um so after that

[3:24:35] study we could the council could say um

[3:24:40] we want to k we want to go to a medallion or whatever with

[3:24:44] livery vessels and what we've got that's all we want

[3:24:50] even though we're getting hundreds from fo alton and the bar or

[3:24:53] whatever coming into our harbor just not we can't expect

[3:24:58] them to say that you know you got so many vessels in your harbor

[3:25:02] you need to put a gate at the front of it and have somebody monitor 24 7 and

[3:25:05] patrol who's coming and who's going like say if you want

[3:25:12] i don't know more high-end lauderdale look you need

[3:25:17] to restrict your harbor to nothing but 70-foot vikings

[3:25:22] or hatteras or something um if that's the look you're going for

[3:25:27] so with i mean i guess just just wondering where we're headed

[3:25:30] with it you know i've been thinking about a lot what the what the council is

[3:25:33] going to be able to do at the end of it what kind of ordinances

[3:25:37] we can come up with or we're not putting ourselves in a lawsuit

[3:25:42] you know am i saying we're going to only have

[3:25:44] each home waterfront home can only have one

[3:25:47] private boat or you know

[3:25:50] i just don't know just kind of thinking about it a lot

[3:25:53] lately just kind of curious of one what what can i expect out of this

[3:25:58] and that's kind of what i thought was going to get a lot of recommendations

[3:26:01] and um from the core and then i was trying

[3:26:05] to you know think of what is this council

[3:26:11] what can we do with those recommendations

[3:26:16] um no i don't know just um just tough i i know

[3:26:21] that and and then i think about well the i think the livery vessels we have

[3:26:26] i think most of them had a hard time getting approved because of parking

[3:26:32] um so i don't know that they you know we could double if we left this more time

[3:26:35] that we could double our vessels in the harbor because

[3:26:39] these they can't immediately don't have the

[3:26:41] the parking but then we have literally vessels or

[3:26:44] delivery companies that have been operating for a couple years now

[3:26:49] and don't have a permit or nothing um at all so

[3:26:56] are we stopping them are we not i i'm gonna i'm requesting to speak to and i'm

[3:27:01] gonna answer to some of that in my personal opinion but mr bagby you were

[3:27:05] up first all right

[3:27:07] uh i've made it clear especially my livery vessel partners because i

[3:27:11] consider all citizens partners you know we're up here to represent them and

[3:27:16] and being a charter boat guy and part of the

[3:27:18] heritage just a

[3:27:22] portion of the heritage that mr destin's part of because of his family name you

[3:27:26] know that sign on the west end of the bridge there says welcome to destin the

[3:27:31] luckiest fishing village in the world and uh that's been the moniker here

[3:27:36] uh for a long long time uh not as long as the destin family's been here and the

[3:27:40] other founding families of our community but for me being a legacy fisherman i

[3:27:45] always you know we don't have a real fancy

[3:27:47] building you know historical buildings found you know by the spaniards or or

[3:27:52] you know pre-civil war development of our main street or

[3:27:56] anything like that what we have the only the really thing that makes us special

[3:28:00] is we have a heritage that most communities don't have and that's our

[3:28:03] fishing heritage and that's where we got started and so that's real important to

[3:28:06] me i've been

[3:28:09] pushing our attorneys to take more proactive uh actions and come

[3:28:15] up with some ordinances to protect our heritage i think the the

[3:28:20] the harbor board in 2015 i think when this first came up

[3:28:25] they that was kind of i think their feelings too is like you know

[3:28:29] things are changing rapidly and this is this is something

[3:28:34] that's really concerning is because all of a sudden places that had a fishing

[3:28:37] boat in it or a charter boat or a commercial boat

[3:28:41] of course cca put dewey and his folks out of

[3:28:45] business would ban the nets but also they're being replaced with livery

[3:28:50] vessels and um and so that's where the moratorium came

[3:28:53] from and this council as it's tried to get a handle on it some of what you just

[3:28:57] spoke of we've keep extending that moratorium i

[3:29:01] wanted to change that moratorium from temporary

[3:29:06] but we've been waiting for the capacity study to where you evaluate the whole

[3:29:10] harbor so if we do restrict

[3:29:14] what takes place on the harbor that we have a legal standing in that because

[3:29:19] we'll have the corps of engineers study we have our citizen community and then

[3:29:22] we'll take we have to take all these issues up as a as a council and have

[3:29:28] discussion hear from the public and make some of these decisions

[3:29:33] i think the moratorium has as much as it's been

[3:29:37] a pain in the butt for them trying to operate it's also has preserved them to

[3:29:43] a certain extent with what's going on in other parts of the county

[3:29:47] and that that makes their business and their position in the harbor more

[3:29:52] valuable than it was in 2015 and so i think as

[3:29:56] you you know in the last 18 months there's been more dialogue with the

[3:30:00] industry itself to how to approve it we just heard from from from an owner

[3:30:07] asking for this council to help protect their industry and so that's the

[3:30:12] route i i think myself personally want to take

[3:30:18] i want to make sure that our heritage remains intact

[3:30:22] that our ecology remains intact that we still

[3:30:26] have these people that do have 70 70-foot

[3:30:29] vikings in a multi-million dollar second home paying 100 percent of the property

[3:30:34] taxes i want them to stay intact because we all feed off that

[3:30:40] the energy the history the legacy that this community has in

[3:30:44] that harbor which sets us apart from everyone else so that's that's that's

[3:30:48] where i'm coming from rodney and and i'm only going to be mayor till

[3:30:53] this november 1st so i'm hoping this council

[3:30:57] this comes back in this we get this study and this council makes some

[3:31:00] decisions before my times that end otherwise i'm going to be on the other

[3:31:03] side of that podium wearing you all out trying to to encourage you to to do the

[3:31:08] right thing for our community so i think i hope that answers a little bit of your

[3:31:12] discussion i i don't think that that capacity study is going to handcuff us

[3:31:18] or prevent us from doing anything that we think is best for our community it

[3:31:22] but it will give us a guide it will give us some direction and it will def i

[3:31:26] think i feel confident it's going to put us in

[3:31:28] a defendable position for the decisions that we make

[3:31:32] right and i agree with you 100 and i've been i've been on board you know with

[3:31:36] the moratorium and the liver vessels since 100 since day one because that has

[3:31:41] been our biggest complaints of um you know pontoon boats cutting captains off

[3:31:46] and just running all over you know creation and don't know what they're

[3:31:50] doing a lot of them haven't never driven a

[3:31:53] boat but and it's been a problem for us because

[3:31:55] that's where we get a lot of our complaints from um

[3:31:58] i guess it i'm just realizing now that

[3:32:04] that that decision no matter what that study comes back

[3:32:07] whatever court tells us that decision is still going to allow on

[3:32:11] this council to do something so

[3:32:15] i don't know i don't know i don't know if the

[3:32:17] study is going to help me or hurt me

[3:32:21] as far as you know making that decision because

[3:32:24] the ultimate decisions is going to be on this council to you know

[3:32:28] what we're going to do we've got enough rental boats no matter what it is

[3:32:32] in the harbor now we've got the problem with

[3:32:35] these rogue operators coming into town you know it's like a dime a dozen

[3:32:39] everywhere this is adding to the problem so well i

[3:32:44] think what we're seeing and i think john and mike would agree is

[3:32:48] their industry's becoming more professional because they've seen the

[3:32:51] need themselves to be good operators in our city now now we're in a position we

[3:32:55] need to help them maintain that and protect that and

[3:32:59] if that if that's the if we make this moratorium permanent and and then that

[3:33:04] even puts a little bit more burden on us but at the same time it's going to make

[3:33:07] identifying the people that aren't good operators

[3:33:11] easier to find a lot of i believe if i was on the

[3:33:15] business if i was little john or whoever i would want the moratorium yeah i keep

[3:33:19] all my competition out i've i've operated under moratorium industry since

[3:33:24] uh 2000 well since 1998 and there's value in

[3:33:29] that okay because it does give you certain

[3:33:33] aspects to make a living off natural resources of our community and and but

[3:33:37] it also encourages you to be a good steward i think the industry's

[3:33:40] understood that and they're becoming good stewards the ones that get to

[3:33:44] operate here so it's a privilege and an honor and a benefit i think long term

[3:33:50] to go down that route i think

[3:33:54] i personally hope and believe that this council and the representation on it

[3:33:59] understands the value of destin harbor in our heritage and i think i i don't

[3:34:04] think the study is going to hamper us from making the decisions to maintain

[3:34:11] that level of excellence i really have full confidence in everybody sitting

[3:34:17] here i have full confidence in the industry themselves that we're having be

[3:34:20] talking about them but we have other industries that are operating out of the

[3:34:24] harbor and i i think it's a i think it's a good discussion

[3:34:28] i just been

[3:34:30] listening to our city and land use attorneys and saying let's let them

[3:34:34] finish the study so we can make the most informed decisions based on not only

[3:34:40] protecting our community but also that's defendable

[3:34:45] because everything we do up here you can never ever forget

[3:34:48] that you could always end up in court so we've got to make we dodge your eyes

[3:34:53] cross your t's and make good legislative decisions and it's really going to work

[3:34:58] jim

[3:35:02] and to that first i want to

[3:35:05] ask a question of the staff uh that karen brought the way i read section 4

[3:35:09] of the moratorium does not prevent a livery vessel owner from

[3:35:15] upgrading their tool make getting a more safe tool

[3:35:19] getting a

[3:35:22] well faster tool i didn't want to bring that up but uh

[3:35:25] you're not helping me make my point rodney i appreciate it uh

[3:35:29] it just says you you can have 20 tools and tomorrow

[3:35:34] you got to have 20 tools right that's correct and they do

[3:35:38] actually usually get new vessels each year further i would just want to add

[3:35:43] that these tools require parking they're not just tools

[3:35:48] and and

[3:35:51] to rodney's point and the mayor's point because i agree with everything the

[3:35:55] mayor said um you know good information leads to good

[3:35:59] policy and

[3:36:02] it adds legitimacy to our action uh we all you know the solutions out

[3:36:08] there is it's in this city it's with those guys it's with that guys with that

[3:36:12] guys with all of us uh i i attack as you probably have

[3:36:18] guessed things from a financial perspective see i'm i'm more of the if

[3:36:22] you're not a local you're not launching from joe's by you but if you do

[3:36:28] it's only two thousand dollars today you know

[3:36:31] and uh that that's how

[3:36:34] that that would be jim bagby's solution problem but there's probably a better

[3:36:38] solution that we you know at least four of us can agree on uh i just always

[3:36:43] think you incentivize uh behavior that you want to see repeated and you

[3:36:48] dis-incentivize behavior you don't want to see repeated and you and financially

[3:36:53] that there's the best way is the best way i found to do that for business

[3:36:57] people but no i agree i just want to make sure

[3:37:01] that we weren't being owners i'm not a big fan of

[3:37:05] moratoriums i'm glad you've worked up but

[3:37:08] i believe let the market work but we've got to fix

[3:37:12] the underlying pinnings of that market for it to work efficiently

[3:37:17] but one more thing there um i wanted to say was it i don't want to

[3:37:22] not only use the word handcuff these guys

[3:37:27] but we basically have and then we've let the rogue operators just run rampant

[3:37:32] run like wildfire and it's like we're not doing a thing about that

[3:37:37] and that yeah that's that's not right um at all

[3:37:57] up i mean

[3:38:00] they met with coast guard they met with fwc

[3:38:04] um all those agencies those enforcement agencies are on

[3:38:09] full alert and i've already had some discussions

[3:38:13] one of their most effective tools they ever do is they'll come in here they'll

[3:38:16] bring units in from all over the place and for two or three days they'll

[3:38:21] they'll stop everybody and they write a tremendous amount of tickets whether

[3:38:25] it's fisheries delivery vessels of private recreational voters that's

[3:38:30] that's how that works and and so for them to do that you just got to keep

[3:38:36] ringing the bell long enough and i think we've rung the bell enough and and we're

[3:38:40] already starting to see results the good news is we'll try to come up with some

[3:38:44] ideas that this city and this council can do to enhance

[3:38:50] those other agencies and in that and it's it's a total part partnership

[3:38:54] because you can't catch them all a bad guy is going to be a bad guy no matter

[3:38:58] what so

[3:38:59] that that's where we're at there johnny thank you sir yeah i just want to say i

[3:39:03] i i share the same feelings about the uh one the heritage of destin two i don't

[3:39:09] see the um mr bagby i'd share the same what you

[3:39:13] were talking about the the tools it's not it's not the same thing you know if

[3:39:16] that's mr marlar but it's a totally different thing um

[3:39:20] you know and one of my one of my main questions about this whole thing is

[3:39:25] mr mayor you were talking about the moratorium on federally permanent

[3:39:28] charter boats those guys don't feel that anymore they don't feel like they're

[3:39:32] hand they don't feel like they're handcuffed they have

[3:39:36] they got the keys to the kingdom you know and i think the guys in the livery

[3:39:41] vessel business we've talked about this and the ones who

[3:39:44] are doing it the right way it seems like to me i don't put words in anybody's

[3:39:48] mouth but it seems like the ones who are doing it the right way are okay with

[3:39:52] this i saw something on facebook the other day it was somebody

[3:39:55] saying just

[3:39:58] somebody was charging an astronomical amount of money for a pontoon but people

[3:40:01] are up in arms and i'm over there like yeah you know like that's that's what

[3:40:05] this moratorium should do this is an elite place this is an exclusive place

[3:40:10] we should we should there should be an element of

[3:40:13] exclusivity when it comes to these kind of things

[3:40:16] and maybe that's that's my opinion um

[3:40:20] but the joe's buy you thing great example that i was talking to lance

[3:40:23] about that today you know i don't know i mean we would we would

[3:40:28] hold these things we would we would hold these things in

[3:40:32] very high regard as people who have put all our eggs in this basket to be

[3:40:38] here um

[3:40:40] but i don't i think it seems like to me just from the

[3:40:45] as far as delivery vessel this this uh moratorium goes

[3:40:50] um you know we've got

[3:40:52] one a very large portion of our water sports industry the charter

[3:40:57] business they are handcuffed by a moratorium they're not they don't feel

[3:41:01] that way but that's if you want to put it in those terms that's what so it is

[3:41:04] while we have if we were to lift this moratorium i

[3:41:08] think we go so many steps backwards uh in the wrong

[3:41:13] direction

[3:41:16] i think this is uh

[3:41:20] i had a really good thought here um

[3:41:24] the yeah i think it's a good course i think

[3:41:26] it's a i think we're on the right track and if we if we pull this before the

[3:41:31] this harbor capacity study is over i think we're i think we're backing up

[3:41:35] yeah we shoot ourselves in the foot everybody's wasting a bunch of time and

[3:41:38] money i i agree johnny and and just so uh and lance i'll give you a shot here

[3:41:43] real quick before we take a vote um what what the charter fishing fleet is

[3:41:48] under is under a limited access privilege program it's called a lap

[3:41:52] and the reason they did that was the we're we're dealing with a limited

[3:41:55] resource and we can take so much out of the gulf of

[3:41:59] mexico and so part of to to constrain effort

[3:42:03] they they started this limited access privilege program

[3:42:08] you hear the words limited access privilege program and over the years now

[3:42:14] that we've developed some good fishery management plans it is truly a privilege

[3:42:19] to be able to make a living fishing as a professional fisherman

[3:42:24] and and and still achieve sustainability for the resource

[3:42:29] itself so you can not only take pride in the fact that you're good at what you do

[3:42:33] but you can also take pride the fact that you're contributing to the

[3:42:36] well-being of the ecology that helps you make profit and really livery vessels

[3:42:42] are no different um a good ecology and in a good experience

[3:42:49] is is a is is what their customers seek above all and the more they in

[3:42:56] enhanced are enhanced by that because it isn't crazy and overcrowded stuff like

[3:43:01] that more money these guys can make and and

[3:43:05] we've all seen that so i i just uh agree with you that uh we're

[3:43:10] on the right track we'll we'll see what the final track is after we get that

[3:43:14] report lance would you like to add something to it yes thank you mayor um

[3:43:18] just real quick i just want to remind everyone that we have

[3:43:24] invested a quarter million dollars worth of destin's money along with the quarter

[3:43:28] million dollars of the federal money to get this survey to take place

[3:43:33] we're the only reason we're doing this is to provide information they're going

[3:43:37] to give us information data statistically significant data data that

[3:43:43] matters data that's been proven it's not just me on the corner drinking a beer

[3:43:48] with somebody saying this is the way i think it should be this is the real deal

[3:43:51] they're they're studying and they're going to study rogue boats they're going

[3:43:54] to study parking but i don't know what the answers are going

[3:43:58] to be but we will find out this fall so my point is on this we just need to stay

[3:44:03] the course on the moratorium until the the survey period is over and they are

[3:44:08] they've already started the survey period it's not going to end until just

[3:44:11] after labor day and then they're going to have to have time to summarize and

[3:44:15] get the data back to us then it's back to you guys but at least this time you

[3:44:20] will have true data to make decisions on of how you want the harbor to look for

[3:44:25] in 5 years 10 years 20 years and beyond so i just i just want to

[3:44:30] throw that out there the it's very important that we maintain the

[3:44:34] moratorium until they finish their survey

[3:44:36] thank you sir all right well we have a motion

[3:44:39] we've had plenty of discussion and we're going to go ahead and take this to a

[3:44:43] boat

[3:44:48] eyes have it unanimous so moved

[3:45:11] are we allowed to do that mr city attorney

[3:45:15] yes we are agenda was approved as is but i'd love it

[3:45:21] all right uh so we're starting with me or the city

[3:45:24] attorney i'm sorry no you didn't did you change the agenda

[3:45:28] yeah yeah

[3:45:31] that doesn't mean i'm not having anything else to talk about

[3:45:34] well that's why i let you go first thank you

[3:45:37] you're a privilege i appreciate it i've done this by the

[3:45:40] way i'm not picking on you because i've done

[3:45:43] this in the past all right

[3:45:45] threw curveball at me that's fine i i'll um

[3:45:49] i commend you mayor and business owners about meeting tomorrow

[3:45:54] and and doing y'all's thing but i personally feel that

[3:46:00] i i guess you are going to do some good and bring some ideas

[3:46:03] which is great but

[3:46:07] we have we have a somewhat of a solution already there we have somebody that

[3:46:10] controls joe by just by you and who can who can launch off of it

[3:46:14] and this isn't this isn't the first time we've heard about this issue

[3:46:18] so even after you bring your ideas

[3:46:21] they they bring their ideas we gotta enforce it

[3:46:25] i mean it's it's it's

[3:46:28] they're already there and we're not controlling our

[3:46:33] our boat launch we don't the new ideas are gonna be

[3:46:36] great but we don't need more new ideas

[3:46:40] it's already there if if we have somebody that's

[3:46:44] documenting repeat offenders and telling our staff and we've done nothing about

[3:46:48] it it's horrible

[3:46:52] and if it's lance i know when we don't have a code director we don't have a

[3:46:56] code deputy director i get that but this isn't just happening the past two weeks

[3:47:01] you know so thank you for meeting with them tomorrow

[3:47:04] but it's you know

[3:47:07] it's all it's on you to then get staff i guess somebody to to

[3:47:12] do what they're supposed to do at the end of the day because they're letting

[3:47:16] people illegally operate it sounds like somebody's letting me illegal operate so

[3:47:20] i just i really hope that we get the people to do what they're

[3:47:25] supposed to do it'll be my one comment you were help you're welcome to respond

[3:47:29] that if you want thank you sir sure i understand your point and i understand

[3:47:33] your frustration but reality is that

[3:47:37] a park attendant a nine dollar an hour park attendant down at joe's bayou has

[3:47:42] no more authority than any of us do to tell somebody to

[3:47:47] disembark off their boat and get out of there

[3:47:51] other than they can request it but i mean they have no ability to issue

[3:47:56] citations they don't have no ability to arrest someone cuff someone nothing like

[3:48:02] that so i wish it was as easy as we think it is but it's not and some of

[3:48:06] those guys i've helped train and and they are on a busy day if you're down

[3:48:10] there the other thing you'll recognize is that i mean it's one boat after the

[3:48:14] other after the other after the other and they are their jar their main job is

[3:48:19] to make sure people are paying as they go through and parking correctly so

[3:48:25] they've got to do that first sure so i understand your point and as far as code

[3:48:29] enforcement goes they too only have the ability to s they

[3:48:34] can cite someone they can request that someone does something

[3:48:37] if they if the individuals do not want to cooperate i mean the only choice they

[3:48:42] have at that point is to try to call the sheriff in to see if we can trespass

[3:48:46] them because we have a standing trespass order with the sheriff's office but i'm

[3:48:50] it's i just wish it was as simple as people think sure well i

[3:48:54] mean no offense but

[3:48:58] then we should pay them more six months ago pay them more

[3:49:01] or given more training the person that you're saying is getting paid nine

[3:49:04] dollars an hour this isn't the first time that we've talked about illegal

[3:49:07] operations or so i'm not gonna argue with you about i'm telling you they

[3:49:10] don't have the authority they don't have sure but we should have given to them

[3:49:13] six months ago or something that's all i'm saying it's

[3:49:17] things happen things happen things happen citizens bring us stuff business

[3:49:20] owners bring us stuff citizens complain about stuff on

[3:49:24] hollywood or whatever and then we react later so we're going

[3:49:28] to meet with them and i just you know it's

[3:49:31] we control who launches it at the boat docks right like we control that we can

[3:49:36] try to control that and if if the attendant has an issue can he not call

[3:49:40] either our uh we have a community person that the

[3:49:44] i forget what his position or rank is but i mean we should if if city of

[3:49:49] desert employee picks up the phone and calls the oakland sheriff's department i

[3:49:52] would hope you guys are going to come to joe's bayou like pretty quickly

[3:49:57] so it sounds like we have something in

[3:49:59] place you're illegal operating sir don't launch your boat

[3:50:03] no i'm going to do it anyways okay let me call let me call the sheriff's

[3:50:06] department and then hopefully within five or ten minutes they'll be there

[3:50:10] i mean it's i know you say it's not that easy but to

[3:50:14] me it it sounds that would be the almost the

[3:50:16] immediate thing that i would hope that we implement tomorrow to tell our

[3:50:22] attendant or whoever's out there call the sheriff's department that we

[3:50:26] pay them money to do certain things to support us let's get them out there and

[3:50:29] to let them deal with it because i agree with you i don't want our

[3:50:33] park attendant to be in altercation with drunks or any anybody i don't i don't

[3:50:38] want that but that's why we pick up the phone and call the great people of

[3:50:42] oakland county sheriff's office so i just i

[3:50:45] i hope to see better enforcement down there

[3:50:50] kevin if you don't mind i'd like to make two comments to that deal and i'll give

[3:50:54] you the floor back one is uh you can get with lance and we can

[3:50:57] deputize you to be the enforcement person on just by it's funny but that's

[3:51:02] that's it's funny but it's it's not necessary

[3:51:05] no no no because your concerns are right it's it's and if it means a little

[3:51:10] yelling and pounding on the table it probably needs to be done

[3:51:16] but that being said what we need to work towards is

[3:51:21] we're rewriting our ldc and our ordinances right now and this needs to

[3:51:25] be something that we work with our attorneys with to put more teeth in the

[3:51:30] enforcement capabilities of our rules and regulations

[3:51:34] and so i i think that's going to be a good start and i agree with you but with

[3:51:39] all due respect it's just time and right now tomorrow morning

[3:51:45] we can enforce who launches their bow at joe's body

[3:51:48] right right now we don't need to rewrite any of these matters who's going to do

[3:51:52] it so well in my last comment

[3:51:55] even though i was trying to be cute and funny the first comment second comment

[3:51:58] is even though i'm going to meet with these

[3:52:01] guys anybody on this council can meet with that group of folks at any time and

[3:52:05] share their ideas and come up with solutions too i'm just taking it upon me

[3:52:09] because i'm a boat captain and i'm interested

[3:52:12] what goes on in the harbor and i happen to be mayor as a sidebar so i'm going to

[3:52:15] meet with them but but but you know if this is a passion for you too

[3:52:21] i encourage that you meet with those guys and hear all the things that they

[3:52:24] have to overcome because then we can come up with some solutions together i

[3:52:27] appreciate it i talk with a lot of them all the time so i'm already doing that

[3:52:31] but thank you um

[3:52:33] [Music] the

[3:52:35] mr brain was bringing up about the livery vessel moratorium which i'm

[3:52:38] definitely supportive of it you know the the one maybe this is might have been

[3:52:42] what you're getting to down the line though is that the

[3:52:45] the disclaimer is that you know it's six to 12 months we'll be receiving

[3:52:51] information from the army corps of engineers you know it's going to start

[3:52:55] flowing in so i believe you know at some point we're going to be

[3:52:59] presented from delivery vessel owners you know like we were a year ago of

[3:53:05] when are we going to do something we're going to do something so

[3:53:09] hopefully in the 6 to 12 months it's a wide range but

[3:53:13] i i assume that they're they're coming close to being finished i think lance

[3:53:18] said something about june or july they're going to have their

[3:53:21] survey done or may well they want to perform the survey this summer when

[3:53:26] during the height of the season so they anticipate giving us the results in the

[3:53:30] fall so i would say september-ish that's pretty okay good

[3:53:35] what what's the uh what's the update on our harbor park observation deck um

[3:53:41] with the contractor out there are we still

[3:53:44] moving along are we happy with them right now

[3:53:47] somewhat it's still moving along okay so uh

[3:53:53] i think we've got a solution to the problems and

[3:53:56] and and then it's gonna get it's gonna get finished okay

[3:54:00] good that's that's exciting um

[3:54:08] yeah i see him out there every day too and i'm looking forward to it um

[3:54:12] this summer we can use it i'm excited um

[3:54:16] that's i think that was uh that's all i had so you threw me off and i'm sorry

[3:54:21] you know but it's just um you know we have citizens who

[3:54:28] bring a lot to us as a council in the emails and phone calls

[3:54:33] and at this diocese right there the podium

[3:54:37] and i take it down and i i hear them and it seems like six months goes by and

[3:54:43] they're talking about the same thing so it's just frustrating to me i know

[3:54:49] we're here to enforce stuff but or to put legislation into place but

[3:54:53] legislation is already in place to some degree and

[3:54:56] it's not our job to go out there and please all of our employees every day so

[3:55:01] at minimum there's things there ldc rewrite mr mayor is gonna be great all

[3:55:05] this you know i'm excited about that but at minimum it just hurts and frustrates

[3:55:11] to see citizens say the same things i gave it to staff you know i did that

[3:55:17] you know so that they they should go do that they should go

[3:55:20] act on that right now so that's all i had thank you

[3:55:23] you're skiing thank you sir uh yeah i think just this

[3:55:27] maybe a little good cop bad cop he's the bad cop um

[3:55:33] i think come on man it's his birthday yeah tomorrow

[3:55:37] yesterday yesterday yeah yeah

[3:55:41] i think i'm i'm in the same boat i mean i feel the same way i think we all do

[3:55:45] and you know part of the part of the uh looking for a

[3:55:51] what are we what did we say we set up a monthly or

[3:55:55] report from code on the waterways and

[3:56:00] there's got to be a solution you know i've developed a

[3:56:04] friendship with a lot of these guys and you know i expect the same thing if

[3:56:08] somebody's doing wrong in my business i expect people in in charge to do right

[3:56:12] by me to make sure that i'm being looked after and i don't think we're looking

[3:56:15] after them very well so um i don't know how we

[3:56:22] what the solution is but there's got to be one you know is it

[3:56:27] more more waterway enforcement

[3:56:31] um i think it's something we need to keep

[3:56:35] fresh i don't know where to go from here but

[3:56:37] i'm i'm with kevin on this and that's all i have thanks miss saber

[3:56:43] thank you mayor before i do the tdc report i want to

[3:56:47] talk a couple of shout outs to some of the city staff that are killing

[3:56:50] themselves um noelle has done a phenomenal job on several building and

[3:56:55] permitting and people have called me and asked me how to find it i've called

[3:56:59] noelle she's text me back told me where the for that person to find it they

[3:57:03] found it so i just want to commend you guys on your process i know the computer

[3:57:08] compass system has some glitches you guys have helped figure it out and

[3:57:12] you've helped several of the folks that have called me and asked for help so

[3:57:16] thank you for what you're doing i know you're understaffed and i know that

[3:57:18] there's 123 on your desk right now so thank you for what you're turning

[3:57:22] through secondly thank you michael burgess for

[3:57:25] coming out and uh helping my neighbors who are frustrated with the easement

[3:57:30] overgrowth and i know it's been a chore you're

[3:57:33] short-handed as well so thank you for helping us get some of those issues

[3:57:37] taken care of and hopefully we'll get those quotes in to get those finished up

[3:57:40] so just want to give those shout outs to

[3:57:42] the the staff that are our main maintaining without the full staff

[3:57:47] support because y'all are short staff so thank you for what you're doing

[3:57:51] as the tdc rep for the

[3:57:54] destin city council i told jennifer adams our director who

[3:57:58] could not make it to the last meeting and then couldn't make it to tonight's

[3:58:02] to present that i would present on her behalf all of the updates that are

[3:58:06] absolutely fantastic for our area for the destin fort walton tdc

[3:58:11] so with that um catherine you're going to run the

[3:58:14] slides for me thank you um the first slide in destination effort

[3:58:19] plan destination stewardship it continues to be successful and they're

[3:58:22] expanding this program this summer so there's going to be more moms involved

[3:58:26] more programs and more little outlets um they've created what they call ads in

[3:58:33] the sand it's these big stamps that they stamp into the sand and it sort of helps

[3:58:37] create what um is available everything from you

[3:58:41] know golf cart rides that are going to be right there in crystal beach shores

[3:58:45] popsicles and store fronts down at destin commons they're going to have

[3:58:48] those clings on a lot of the windows that speak to

[3:58:52] the programs for little adventures this was a success last year they're

[3:58:57] going to bring it back this year we've got a couple of council members

[3:59:00] that have volunteered to be golf cart drivers we've also had some

[3:59:04] some other members that have volunteered to do

[3:59:07] golf cart driving to show some some uh

[3:59:12] hospitality from the destin side of the house

[3:59:15] um storefront signage destin commons all

[3:59:18] the way to fort walton beach uh the next thing you'll see is on the

[3:59:22] little adventures takeover of mid bay bridge toll so as people are coming

[3:59:26] through the mid bay bridge now there are

[3:59:30] rap booths and the toll workers are going to be handing out the little

[3:59:33] adventure maps which tells the moms all the programs and things the kids get to

[3:59:37] do that are free and low cost and where they can go on the website to find them

[3:59:41] and they'll also get what they call push notifications as they go through the

[3:59:46] booth for their um text options while they're in destin

[3:59:50] so that they'll be able to see everything from beach safety to flag

[3:59:54] alerts to where to go get things for your kids

[3:59:59] the next thing you'll see is the little adventures map this is what they're

[4:00:03] being handed this shows all the little adventures in one place it shows how

[4:00:07] close mom is to an adventure and what adventures they can do there's also a qr

[4:00:11] code so that they can scan it into their phone gives their mom

[4:00:15] more engagement with local moms um that have done these little adventures with

[4:00:19] their own kids and can help them feel comfortable with them

[4:00:22] the map is going to be also handed out at the toll booth the lodging partners

[4:00:27] mr wampler's here he can speak to that restaurants welcome center state parks

[4:00:32] and on the golf cart rides and at the popsicle carts the other thing that

[4:00:36] we're very proud of is the water safety campaign

[4:00:40] we've talked about this for the last two years and here's something that i

[4:00:43] spearheaded and i'm very proud to say that destin is part of the push

[4:00:48] here's the example of the new water safety brochure designed to align with

[4:00:51] the little adventures and it has what the flags mean

[4:00:55] on that color code on one side and as you flip it over it shows how

[4:01:00] that person if they've caught in rip current how they need to swim out and

[4:01:04] swim away and come back into the shore so these are also going to be on the

[4:01:09] golf carts and down there in the lifeguard stands as well

[4:01:13] then the next thing you'll see is finally there's an installation monument

[4:01:17] markers on the beach for public safety these are all aligned with the fdep's r

[4:01:22] system which are placed every 500 feet they're starting on okaloosa island and

[4:01:26] they're working this way because a lot of times when people are on the beach

[4:01:30] and they have an accident or they need somebody they look around and they're

[4:01:33] like well there's this big white building here and i think there's a pink

[4:01:35] building there so these are now going to make it easy

[4:01:39] because there's going to be a sign there and the sheriff and the all the safety

[4:01:43] they know what these codes and numbers are they're gps coordinates and they're

[4:01:48] currently being fed into the 911 dispatch system so that r signed number

[4:01:52] at the top of the dune it'll allow for the accurate location i did ask jennifer

[4:01:57] about putting on these signs since they're on the beach leave no trace

[4:02:02] and since they can't commit to that i told her if they didn't have them on

[4:02:06] them when they got to the destin beach i would get a pile of stickers and i'll be

[4:02:10] putting one on every one of our signs and destiny so that that's our logo

[4:02:16] next the trash cans i know we've all talked about we need more trash cans

[4:02:20] they were going to try and encourage put beach cleanups in parks by adding these

[4:02:24] little adventure trash cans they can't really use them where the big ones are

[4:02:28] that are picked up by the trucks because when the claws come around they scrape

[4:02:32] off the plastic so we found that's not going to work so they're going to

[4:02:35] probably post them in places like at the commons and under other areas where they

[4:02:38] are handled by a person versus a big truck pickup

[4:02:43] the next thing you're going to see is the adventures in close signage there's

[4:02:47] going to be permanent signage to be strategically placed to promote little

[4:02:51] adventures like this one right here is at beasley

[4:02:54] park and it promotes the gulf area which is right up the road

[4:02:57] and it offers families and more things to do and supports the tourism industry

[4:03:01] here in the area and then the other thing next slide is

[4:03:06] um they're going to do these in some of the condos it's the um little several

[4:03:10] partners are going to be working with a wrap to the elevator so that when the

[4:03:13] elevator is closed there's a person swimming under the water looks like on

[4:03:16] that side then when it opens up it's inside like you can see like an aquarium

[4:03:21] kind of look to it of what the ocean is and there's the qr code they can use

[4:03:25] their phone to get to the website with that qr code and see what there is fun

[4:03:31] to do around their condo as well as down at the commons all the way down to

[4:03:34] callfarium and things to do next slide

[4:03:38] this is something that's really cool they did this down at the commons at the

[4:03:41] adventure crosswalks and it's in all of the areas around in the commons and some

[4:03:46] of the others are in some of the other areas um that they're

[4:03:50] looking at is some of the condos and the walk across but right now these are down

[4:03:54] all around in the commons um the next one

[4:03:58] these are just some of the um visuals i think

[4:04:02] yeah i don't know if there's any more it's like yeah there there's the these

[4:04:05] are the other um

[4:04:08] in destination cars

[4:04:10] people sort of online calendar for locals to

[4:04:14] enjoy and then let's see

[4:04:16] these are some of the moms that work these ladies have done basically the

[4:04:20] online chat so when somebody clicks on the destin fort walton beach clicks on

[4:04:25] little adventure clicks on i have a five to seven year old immediately it pops up

[4:04:30] and says reach out to abby click here she has a five and a seven year old and

[4:04:34] then she can coach them on hey this is a really cool thing do the paddle boards

[4:04:38] or do the pin fishing this is also for our locals so whenever you're out

[4:04:43] shopping with your family and you're at the destin commons and you see this this

[4:04:47] is for everybody so we want moms that live here that haven't seen this that

[4:04:52] haven't done this kevin your wife's got some little people

[4:04:55] i'm sure this would be right up her alley she'd probably love to you know

[4:04:58] reach out and either connect with moms that have already done it or just

[4:05:01] because she lives here get the kids out and enjoy some of our own fun stuff

[4:05:06] then the next thing is what we have is our adventure packs it's kind of hard to

[4:05:09] see up here but the pax pair the water-based partners with local

[4:05:13] restaurants the tdc pays the local pac partner 50 of the total cost that keeps

[4:05:18] the cost down for the mom's dads or whoever's bringing the kids into town to

[4:05:22] do these events that it's a very low cost because tdc is offsetting the bulk

[4:05:27] of it this promotes our local economy and offers little adventures to the moms

[4:05:31] who may not know about all the great things there are to do than other just

[4:05:34] to go to the beach um then the next page is the local

[4:05:39] partners that we're working with this summer we've done our best to work with

[4:05:42] local partners there's been several that have been contacted that are just not

[4:05:46] really interested but we do have some really awesome ones

[4:05:50] um swell pops gulfarium lulu's destin paddle company smiling wave salt water

[4:05:55] hey baby charters fast signs east pass wet

[4:05:58] and every day another partner sees another way to become part of it so

[4:06:04] we're always looking for anybody that wants to help

[4:06:06] our adventures whether it's a local family or a visiting to have a good time

[4:06:11] so if you're interested either reach out to me or to jennifer at tdc

[4:06:15] the next one you'll see here is the little adventure it's a little sort of

[4:06:19] shack but it's not a shack it's like a really cool building that was built

[4:06:22] and there's going to be the outpost at crystal shores which is this one

[4:06:27] and there's going to be one that should be ready in may that's called the pop-up

[4:06:31] so if you look in the next one these are like little bitty campers so they can be

[4:06:35] moved whether they're over on okaloosa island or locally in destin these will

[4:06:40] be smaller pop-ups that can be utilized throughout the county in the parks and

[4:06:44] other locations so

[4:06:46] with that that's the update on tdc and i don't know if any of you council

[4:06:51] members have any questions but hopefully those of you watching online if you have

[4:06:56] kids and you want to do some fun stuff we're going to be able to help you help

[4:07:00] your kids enjoy the summer because we've got a lot of stuff that's rolling out so

[4:07:04] with that mayor that's all i have thank you thanks councilwoman hey bear

[4:07:08] appreciate it very much mr bagman thanks mr mayor three quick things i

[4:07:13] hope uh first uh we received the committee attendance reports i want to

[4:07:18] thank uh c clerk for uh sharing that with us i'm sure everybody went through

[4:07:22] theirs and i have a couple of folks that are

[4:07:27] have not been able to make meetings i talked to both of them today

[4:07:31] one of them my public works public safety committee

[4:07:35] representative mark brown lieutenant colonel mark brown

[4:07:39] is changing command up at 3rd battalion 7th

[4:07:43] and june 16th and he's being reassigned down to homestead so i will

[4:07:49] he's going to be at the meeting tomorrow but i will be bringing at the next

[4:07:53] meeting another appointment my other one on the

[4:07:57] parks and recs we had a great conversation and he understands and he

[4:08:01] will do much better

[4:08:05] this next quarter in attending and i appreciate that

[4:08:09] the

[4:08:11] second thing i have is on joe's bayou i mean

[4:08:17] i share your frustration i think everybody in this room shares your

[4:08:21] frustration you know i would just ask the city manager sheriff's office code

[4:08:25] enforcement we know where the problem is it's at

[4:08:28] joe's bayou we know when it is nine o'clock to eleven o'clock on

[4:08:33] saturday mornings surely for two hours

[4:08:37] we can have a code person down because i agree 100 with you

[4:08:41] it is not a park attendance responsibility to do anything other than

[4:08:46] maybe call code enforcement or call the sheriff they're they're trying to keep

[4:08:51] it safe down there they're trying to collect money they're not

[4:08:54] a law enforcement or a code enforcement entity but we have

[4:09:00] people who are that we are paying or paying their contract

[4:09:05] for two hours you know

[4:09:08] this saturday and maybe two hours on sunday at another location whatever the

[4:09:12] second worst location down on the harbor is or wherever it is

[4:09:16] have somebody down there because people learn

[4:09:21] you know you write six citations saturday morning

[4:09:26] you that's half of those won't be back there now they may be someplace else you

[4:09:31] may chase them somewhere into the harbor but they learn uh once they start paying

[4:09:36] those fines and finally the only thing i would say

[4:09:39] great presentation i thought they were going to put those

[4:09:42] trash balls on the beach and i was just going to say they need to have lids

[4:09:46] because our experience when i ran the tdc in walton county is

[4:09:50] people just pile stuff in there until they overflow

[4:09:54] and on certain times of the year middle of the summer you cannot keep up with

[4:09:58] emptying those trash against you just unless you put somebody there

[4:10:02] the whole time and so if you have some kind of lid because

[4:10:06] varmints varmints get into them you know raccoons and stuff it's just

[4:10:11] something think about thank you mr mr destin

[4:10:17] mayor i appreciate it i'm on the i'm briefly speaking on the joe's bible

[4:10:21] issue we need to ascertain if the council at some point in the past

[4:10:26] stops the commercial fees if they did we need to put that

[4:10:30] back in and then i think city manager you

[4:10:34] have gotten pretty good feedback forward putting some extra

[4:10:38] concentration of our code enforcement folks down there once we ascertain the

[4:10:42] answer to that so we can address that one the other

[4:10:46] issue and i'll briefly speak on it since i had the joy of rejoining this council

[4:10:51] we have struggled mightily to try to hold these meetings where they don't go

[4:10:55] late into the night i think tonight is a fine example about our inability to do

[4:10:59] that so far i want to bring in my experience on the

[4:11:04] school board and what the county commission does and what a number of

[4:11:07] municipalities do they have a workshop like on the thursday for the meeting

[4:11:11] where most of this gets hashed out into three hours and the meetings end up in

[4:11:15] most cases to be an hour or less the official meetings at night we need to

[4:11:19] consider thinking about that if if that's going to lead us toward meetings

[4:11:22] that don't go between nine and ten o'clock at night

[4:11:25] and uh you know i used to say that was a dumb idea because you were spending the

[4:11:29] same amount of money same amount of time

[4:11:33] but it wasn't late at night if you do your workshops you know earlier in the

[4:11:38] day so we need to be considering that so we can make these meetings not go to 9

[4:11:42] or 10 o'clock at night that's it mayor thanks

[4:11:45] yeah it's just one of the casualties of the florida sunshine laws is you can't

[4:11:50] have open debate discussions prior to these kind of meetings you know it's

[4:11:53] just again unless you have a workshop so

[4:11:59] yeah i like that idea personally some of the other members may not with

[4:12:04] the big pay raise that they got to spend more time here in this room but

[4:12:10] anyways uh you know i i agree with you there uh some nights we've been pretty

[4:12:14] lucky we've got out of here before 8 o'clock when i saw tonight's agenda in

[4:12:18] the subject matter i had kind of had a feeling this was going to be a little

[4:12:22] bit longer so i but i tell you what

[4:12:25] we could look into that a little more serious at our next

[4:12:29] meeting and have that actual discussion yeah i expect that staff can make some

[4:12:33] recommendations and i'll make a motion either we'll do it or we won't

[4:12:36] sometime soon okay mr braden

[4:12:40] thank you mayor um city manager the dilapidated house have done at the foot

[4:12:45] of the dustin bridge um

[4:12:49] if we take any other action to try to rectify that are we still collecting 250

[4:12:53] dollars a a day or something in fines

[4:12:56] i'm going to let miss bell answer that

[4:13:00] uh thank you city manager um yeah we

[4:13:04] have quotes from jobs dirt works

[4:13:09] which michael and i both reached out to they've

[4:13:12] provided us a quote and currently we're we're just working on me because we

[4:13:18] already have jobs dirt works

[4:13:20] contract on the um

[4:13:24] for demoing the beach acquisition homes so we were looking to

[4:13:30] um piggyback off that with them to go ahead and do the

[4:13:34] calhoun house so we're very close awesome thank you so much um and the

[4:13:40] next thing oh yeah

[4:13:44] um i had a kind of a meeting with staff

[4:13:48] thursday um

[4:13:51] it was a question i brought forward to them and it was it was kind of

[4:13:53] disturbing i kind of knew most of it but i really didn't know how it worked

[4:13:59] and nothing on staff they're only using the

[4:14:01] tools that this council has adopted and gave them to work with

[4:14:06] so staff's not doing anything wrong um but

[4:14:12] we've sat up here and bitched about parking

[4:14:15] and livery vessels um for quite some time parking since

[4:14:19] i've been here eight years parking so anyway

[4:14:23] um

[4:14:26] if if i want to buy a

[4:14:29] piece of property on the destin harbor and i want to put a restaurant on it i

[4:14:34] have to get a development order and if i submit my plans

[4:14:41] to the city and i'm one parking place short of what

[4:14:44] i'm required to have for this restaurant to serve lunch and dinner

[4:14:49] i'm denied i have to go back to my engineering architect whatever redesign

[4:14:54] it squeeze another parking spot in there somewhere

[4:14:59] so i resubmit it

[4:15:03] and i'm approved now i have enough parking

[4:15:06] so i i get my building permit i build my restaurant

[4:15:12] next week i come back in and say you know what i want 15 pontoon boats behind

[4:15:18] my restaurant that requires i don't know 2.3 parking places per boat on the rough

[4:15:23] stage to say 30 parking places

[4:15:27] so then staff says no problem i got this neat little formula back here

[4:15:31] that the council has approved i get my calculator out and calculate it

[4:15:36] voila there you go all of a sudden you got enough parking now for your pontoon

[4:15:41] boats and your restaurant i know i told you a month or a week ago or a month ago

[4:15:45] it was one short for your restaurant and you had to go back and spend a bunch

[4:15:49] of time and money to get you won't get me one more parking place

[4:15:53] now that i got this nifty little formula all of a sudden

[4:15:58] no problem you got enough now to run two businesses

[4:16:03] and then

[4:16:06] you want to get you want to get a

[4:16:10] dolphin cruise boat stick it behind there it carries 30 people

[4:16:16] somehow i've got enough parking for that too

[4:16:20] but 30 days ago i was one short for just my restaurant

[4:16:25] now i want to build me a bar open bar that accommodate 200 people

[4:16:31] well guess what that that allows

[4:16:36] that has zero parking requirements for that

[4:16:41] but just 30 days ago i had a development order i had to get one parking place

[4:16:46] somehow somewhere to get my just my restaurant going

[4:16:51] so

[4:16:54] we got a problem but we're the ones breeding it

[4:16:59] we're the ones allowing it and i get the i get the

[4:17:04] i get the shared parking i get that

[4:17:08] just like marina cafe they they open for dinner

[4:17:12] they have a parking they have literary vessels and they use

[4:17:16] that parking all day long until five o'clock and then the restaurant opens up

[4:17:20] and that's i get that i understand it what i don't

[4:17:24] understand is is why the council has adopted a comp plan ldc or whatever that

[4:17:29] says i've got to have so many parking places in my restaurant

[4:17:33] and then all of a sudden i've got 15 pontoon booths and i can come to whip a

[4:17:37] parking study out so why didn't a pencil whip that parking

[4:17:40] study out to start with

[4:17:44] it says you know you don't you only need so many parking places you don't need a

[4:17:48] hundred for your restaurant you only really only need about 60.

[4:17:54] so jimmy got something to add i'd love to

[4:17:57] hear it sure uh if you remember i think you were here uh the night we voted on

[4:18:03] point mezzanine and lewis committed to this council that

[4:18:07] when he brings back the changes because the point that night

[4:18:12] that we brought up was that wait you just added

[4:18:17] all these boats and you didn't add a single parking spot and and you're right

[4:18:22] it's it's on the council he committed to us

[4:18:26] that no when they bring it back the revision and

[4:18:29] maybe miss kopp will or lance will confirm

[4:18:34] that it's going to be in there that if you add a use

[4:18:38] okay you're going to add parking spaces because we're not going to allow another

[4:18:41] condominium or another restaurant or another whatever to be

[4:18:45] built that

[4:18:48] does exactly what you said because what they did is they have the parking spaces

[4:18:52] for that condominium and they had zero for those boats and then and we talked

[4:18:57] about deck cans and we talked about captains and we talked about and he made

[4:19:02] us a promise and i i assume we're all going to hold him

[4:19:07] to the promise he made that night because i know i am

[4:19:11] so i think i sure i think everybody shares your thing but i think i hope

[4:19:16] louis is working hard on that because i'm looking for it it is a part of the

[4:19:21] ldc rewrite that is being taken up yes because they wanted to take up parking

[4:19:26] as a whole and i i appreciate that i knew that the

[4:19:30] outdoor seating was going to be addressed somehow some way

[4:19:33] i didn't know the rest of it but i'm just

[4:19:36] it's beyond me how the council in the past

[4:19:40] approved something like that that it proved one thing and it gave you another

[4:19:44] another option or

[4:19:46] formula to get around it and then they gave you something else

[4:19:50] that just didn't require any parking whatsoever

[4:19:54] but they've always been complaining about parking ain't got enough parking

[4:19:58] you know um

[4:20:00] yeah i'm just i just wanted to share that with the council what i i i want to

[4:20:04] know what's happening and found out and just make sure we were

[4:20:07] we were heading to a solution or trying to i wanted to close those loopholes

[4:20:12] somehow somewhere what's the magic formula i i want to add to what you're

[4:20:16] talking about rodney because you know when uh the city

[4:20:21] did the harbor walk the boardwalk

[4:20:26] they were supposed to provide all the landowners that gave up that 24 feet

[4:20:30] they were they were told that the city was going to provide

[4:20:35] 1650 additional parking spaces now all of us sitting here know that means a

[4:20:40] multi-level parking garage across the street as a minimum which we've never

[4:20:46] built and i think that was made back in 2005 2006 right before the grand housing

[4:20:53] collapse and all that become not feasible

[4:20:56] so some of that is generated

[4:21:00] by i don't think anybody intended not to

[4:21:02] live up to that requirements but

[4:21:06] in the meantime what you're talking about is

[4:21:09] probably the biggest problem that since i've been on here and i know

[4:21:13] you've been on here four years longer than me

[4:21:16] that that that has been the issue um our code

[4:21:21] joey that's one of the things he was trying to combat you know for the last

[4:21:25] two years and we still don't have an answer to that and then of course kim i

[4:21:29] guess you could address the issue if we're going to try to go retrospect

[4:21:34] and start holding these original do's to the fire

[4:21:39] where you get where does grandfather coming in where the lawsuits become

[4:21:43] available and what's the city's responsibility for not providing the

[4:21:47] park and they they told those people who gave up those

[4:21:51] part of their land to create the harbor walk how's that all play i mean you know

[4:21:56] if you and lewis come up with some decisions to kind of

[4:22:00] answer rodney's concerns because i think it's it's not just rodney's concern

[4:22:03] everybody on this it seems like that's the moratorium we

[4:22:07] need to come up with

[4:22:10] so would you like to

[4:22:16] that that's a big question and what i'll say is this we're going to

[4:22:20] take up the entire issue of parking when we do the ldc rewrite

[4:22:25] for that section of the code all of this at once in a comprehensive manner is the

[4:22:29] way lewis wanted to approach it with you because if you piecemeal it one thing

[4:22:32] can affect another so why don't we wait till

[4:22:36] we get that it's coming to you in like within 60 days maybe less

[4:22:40] rodney you in your scenarios you were laying out

[4:22:43] um what tools does staff have

[4:22:48] you said that they're only doing what y'all give we have given them

[4:22:52] what are you talking about that that allows them to then open up the pontoon

[4:22:56] and then the um i care so what are you talking about i

[4:22:59] guess lewis referred to some formula for i think steve o'connor can wave it wait

[4:23:06] i can step in a little bit so there's there's multiple ways that you can park

[4:23:10] for multiple uses you have like like stated the shared use or shared parking

[4:23:15] agreement which takes into consideration different

[4:23:18] operating hours of different entities so so like councilman braden said if you

[4:23:23] have a restaurant that opens up at 6 00 p.m and it requires 60 spaces

[4:23:28] you know and you're not utilizing that those 60 spaces

[4:23:31] from you know 8 a.m to 6 p.m

[4:23:35] then they're just sitting there vacant right

[4:23:38] so why not allow another use that operates

[4:23:42] outside of the hours of the restaurant there's also in the in the

[4:23:47] the old town mmtd

[4:23:50] a reduction in parking by 20

[4:23:54] that's written into the mmtd so and then you have your maximum so your

[4:23:59] maximum is in the mnftd is the minimum so say if you're required to have 100

[4:24:04] per the table that's your maximum but you can reduce

[4:24:08] down 20 percent to 80. you know just kind of break that down

[4:24:12] and steve where does the shared parking application come to

[4:24:17] who who's looking over that approving it and reviewing it city

[4:24:20] city staff looks at it and we look for sufficiency and compliance so like

[4:24:26] building department planning planning yeah planning division

[4:24:29] um building divisions part of that review

[4:24:33] engineering is heavily part of that review as well do we have anything to go

[4:24:37] review that every so many years is that i just no is there anything like

[4:24:42] that to go check it out no there's there's nothing that that would really

[4:24:46] require or prompt us to go back and review those shared parking agreements

[4:24:51] unless there's a change of use that happens and there was recently a a

[4:24:55] change of use that came forward to city council with a shared use agreement

[4:24:59] that was approved and it was because the three operations that happened there all

[4:25:05] operated at different hours and they're already over parked but because of the

[4:25:10] the complexity of each use we required them

[4:25:14] to bring that shared but if a restaurant decided to change their hours of

[4:25:16] operation they're not going to come to the city and say here's my change of use

[4:25:19] application right you run that risk so then we potentially need to give you all

[4:25:22] the tools to check into these things every so many months or years just to

[4:25:26] make sure that what you said three years ago is still actually happening down

[4:25:30] there absolutely and there's we run to that rit that's that's just a

[4:25:34] risk of the game so yeah

[4:25:40] i think that's another one that's been brought to everybody's attention

[4:25:44] multiple times with nothing being done whatsoever

[4:25:54] all right been a lively

[4:25:57] night uh i just want to close before i turn uh

[4:26:01] look to our land use attorney city attorney um

[4:26:04] we're getting a lot done i know there's been some issues brought

[4:26:08] up it seemed like we're not but if you really take a a look at what's happened

[4:26:12] over the last 24 months especially we really have done a lot as a city uh

[4:26:18] we've done it with value we've i think some of the things we've

[4:26:22] accomplished we've got pretty good bang for our buck uh we we start talking

[4:26:26] about we're renewing contracts and stuff with our our uh

[4:26:31] you know sheriff and and with waste management stuff like

[4:26:34] that so you know we still got some more work to do but

[4:26:38] the encouraging thing to me that in spite of some of these challenges like

[4:26:42] what mr brain bought up mr schmidt is this city's really moving forward i mean

[4:26:46] at a really good pace we've accomplished a lot we've gone paperless we've started

[4:26:51] a whole bunch of new things we've got beach buyback initiatives crosstown

[4:26:55] connector we're underground and i mean we are moving in the right direction

[4:27:00] it's just a matter with just we just got to stay a little we we got to stay

[4:27:05] focused with passion to to make this better um some people

[4:27:09] complain about the traffic and tourism and they want to talk about all the

[4:27:13] things that we did wrong over the years but the rabbit's out the whole

[4:27:18] so i think this council myself personally i think a lot of people in

[4:27:21] the community now we just need to focus on putting a tuxedo on the rabbit

[4:27:26] and and i think if if that's our goal on a daily basis that we're going to make

[4:27:31] this a better town a better city a better place to live and we're going to

[4:27:34] accomplish some of the things that we all would like to see a a

[4:27:38] good high quality of life for our residents

[4:27:42] a good experience for our vacationers good successful

[4:27:46] profitable businesses in every industry in this community the ones that me and

[4:27:52] dewey participate in the ones that all the support industries destin's

[4:27:58] moving and growing good and and i think as long as we stay

[4:28:02] focused on good growth smart growth if we make that our

[4:28:05] priority and we're fixing all these it's kind of neat that we are talking about

[4:28:10] some of these file these little you know

[4:28:14] sores in our our legislation or our enforcement deal because

[4:28:20] we've really accomplished some of the really big stuff and so now we can start

[4:28:24] fine-tuning and i think you know our city manager and our staff i i think

[4:28:28] they're willing to we sure do need to get a new code enforcement guy

[4:28:33] and that's going to help us we're talking about a problem with joe's bayou

[4:28:36] and we don't even have a director of code enforcement so

[4:28:39] that's going to be kind of tough so i just want to i just wanted to end

[4:28:43] tonight's meeting an encouraging word that i think

[4:28:46] that that we're moving in a really good direction and it just seems to me as an

[4:28:51] observer to the council here that you all are focused on the right things and

[4:28:55] and we're going to make this place a better place to live so you know we had

[4:28:59] a great experience at arbor day you know the season's right around the corner

[4:29:04] we're rewriting our ldc i mean this city's been in effect for almost 36

[4:29:08] years and we're rewriting our ldc we got a zoning map a flume and a

[4:29:13] a new comprehensive plan that's all geared towards what i'm

[4:29:17] talking about is making this a better place to live and that's it's it's it's

[4:29:22] an honor to sit up here with the people that have made that happen and we're not

[4:29:26] done the ldc is being rewrote right now so any any more of these good changes

[4:29:30] that we want to make the next six months is going to be big

[4:29:36] and and our land use attorney and our community development staff is going to

[4:29:40] be very instrumental for us to getting to

[4:29:43] where our visioning sessions want to want to take us so

[4:29:47] anyways i just want to end up on a positive note and we will close with our

[4:29:51] land use attorney and then our city i have nothing thank you

[4:29:56] don't forget no baby yet all right no baby yet and

[4:30:01] i've almost aged a year but one and a half more hours

[4:30:05] okay now i know

[4:30:08] i had a cramp for a while there you go in in the in the in four days we're

[4:30:14] gonna have cinco de mayo we're gonna have

[4:30:16] we've got a lot going on this week so y'all take a deep breath have a good

[4:30:19] week mother's day on sunday guys and before we leave we're gonna have one

[4:30:25] more opportunity for public comment so i'm going to open up home and comment

[4:30:28] right now come forward

[4:30:32] and we are looking for a code enforcement officer male or female

[4:30:36] because i know some strong women out there we could use you if you want to

[4:30:39] come apply we'd like to talk to you mike steiner sea breeze boulevard inlet beach

[4:30:44] gonna continue beating this dead horse a little bit

[4:30:47] i'm gonna just bring something into context since i sounds like multifamily

[4:30:51] is a hot button issue here city of destin

[4:30:54] walton county you name it the demand's there i think we all know

[4:30:58] that supply is not place is growing florida's

[4:31:01] the got the 15th largest economy in the

[4:31:05] world projected population growth from 22 million to 26 million by 2030.

[4:31:10] they're coming like it or not but

[4:31:14] back to this particular adding a different layer to the zoning so

[4:31:18] let's take a 10 acre multifamily site for example 240

[4:31:24] units in this particular zoning right so you're telling me that at a 240 units

[4:31:29] you have to have 60 000 square feet of retail

[4:31:33] on an average project size of 300 000 square feet which is about what 240

[4:31:37] units is okay two palms the the winn-dixie anchored

[4:31:43] shopping center in destin with the with the you know the the adjacent end caps

[4:31:49] 90 000 square feet so to build a multi-family project in

[4:31:53] that zoning now you have to have two-thirds of the commercial

[4:31:58] that the palm shopping center that went dixie's anchored by does

[4:32:02] that's the unintended consequence in my opinion i mean that's that's just

[4:32:06] context i was sitting back here thinking about it and

[4:32:10] quite frankly didn't leave because this i'm like wait this is like to understand

[4:32:13] it to put it into perspective that's a lot of retail who's gonna fill it

[4:32:18] it's gonna cost twice as much to build it that means your rents are going to be

[4:32:21] twice as high so who's going to come in and pay rosemary beach rents which i can

[4:32:25] tell you are ninety dollars a square foot or fifty

[4:32:28] dollars a square foot destin doesn't have those rents they'll they might we

[4:32:32] might get there but they're not there today

[4:32:35] so these are the things that you got to think about so this this this decision

[4:32:39] was made based on

[4:32:42] a dream of some really good projects

[4:32:46] but the fact of the matter is that the town centers are

[4:32:49] destined commons and the likes not not a 10 15 acre parcel that's my opinion

[4:32:56] so that's it thanks guys

[4:33:01] anyone else come on up

[4:33:07] try to make this quick my name is tori geil

[4:33:13] i live at 33 country club drive east i'm a business owner i have a

[4:33:18] building contracting roofing contracting and professional engineering business

[4:33:22] off industrial park road i'm also the qualifying agent for dust and roofing

[4:33:27] um some something that i would like to talk about today is and i'm probably a

[4:33:31] little late on this but it's about the uh

[4:33:36] the short crystal beach i'm

[4:33:40] i've been looking at the plans and the on-site productions of

[4:33:45] what's going on there it's a over a 10 million dollar venture 4.4

[4:33:50] million and that's coming from the city of dustin the interlock agreement states

[4:33:54] that tourist development and tax

[4:33:58] is only partially funding it and it's not guaranteed in accordance with 9b and

[4:34:02] 9c there's two handicapped place

[4:34:06] parking places 27 golf cart parking places and 40 public i'm respectfully

[4:34:11] requesting the city of destin uh consider putting either local or

[4:34:17] florida tag only parking with the good comes the bad obviously

[4:34:22] there's benefits of tourism and then there's burdens of tourism one of the

[4:34:25] burdens a lot of locals have no beach access no beach

[4:34:29] uh vacationing positions or anywhere to go to enjoy

[4:34:32] and i realize henderson park uh

[4:34:35] is out there as a first-come first-served situation but if

[4:34:40] we're making this investment i respectfully request you consider at

[4:34:43] least dedicating a percentage of those parking places to either destin locals

[4:34:49] or florida tag only because i realize

[4:34:52] okaloosa county is also a 60 contributor of the funding

[4:34:57] but or at least consider that percentage

[4:34:59] whatever parking places you decide if you decide to dedicate make it a 60 40.

[4:35:04] 60 florida tag 40 dustin destin local that's all i have

[4:35:10] that's a great idea more

[4:35:14] as a recommendation for mr schmidt which is off a different subject

[4:35:18] the sheriff's okalusa county sheriff's department has a posse program where

[4:35:21] they get a uniform a badge and they can have a firearm they have authority to

[4:35:25] detain and transport maybe you make that a

[4:35:28] prerequisite for the position that that uh chose bayou

[4:35:33] thanks sir anyone else

[4:35:41] that's not the only reason that's all you back there nope you can

[4:35:46] talk to staff i'm like around all the time i'm just not here at this place

[4:35:51] um i just had a couple of things to mention marcy bell three gulf breeze

[4:35:53] court uh i just wanted to me i wanted to state

[4:35:57] that while you haven't seen me here i have definitely been in the buildings

[4:36:01] and i have definitely been sharing my information with everyone by

[4:36:07] email that kind of started back in february

[4:36:11] i was here at a meeting with staff and other members of holiday isle

[4:36:16] and i had asked the question about uh permitting

[4:36:20] and why one of the properties on my street was required to have four permits

[4:36:23] but yeah i had all this other construction going on with no permits

[4:36:27] for other people and at that time i was asked if i could

[4:36:30] give addresses and i did not give addresses at that time

[4:36:33] so that has led me to when there's

[4:36:36] construction i am i'm reporting it because

[4:36:41] the bottom line is is if you see something say something

[4:36:45] what's happening around destin or at least in my purview is that we have

[4:36:50] building going on the building department doesn't know

[4:36:53] about it because they don't come and get building permits and my biggest concern

[4:36:58] is in the town homes and of course i live in one people are going in they're

[4:37:02] doing electrical work they're doing water work uh plumbing work and they are

[4:37:07] possibly removing structural walls and when i'm in a building that i share with

[4:37:11] two other owners if they take out a structural

[4:37:15] wall it could affect my whole building

[4:37:19] i don't want to go to the extent of surfside but i certainly don't want to

[4:37:23] be in my bed sleeping one night when the building decides to fall in on me uh so

[4:37:27] that was one of the reasons that you guys haven't seen me but you hear a lot

[4:37:30] from me um

[4:37:33] i also want to state for the record that i am guilty of the conspiracy theories

[4:37:38] that go around town about this that and the other

[4:37:42] about staff about council about myself about other people like i just want the

[4:37:47] citizens who are watching to know that i am doing everything i can to educate

[4:37:53] myself to know what goes on inside these walls and the only way that i'm figuring

[4:37:57] out what's going on is by having meetings with people

[4:37:59] at the staff level and one of the staff members had made a

[4:38:03] comment to me the other day and they had said that ninety percent of the work

[4:38:06] that goes on at the city goes on outside these chambers meaning it goes

[4:38:12] on in the day-to-day business and if you don't know what's going on in there it's

[4:38:16] really hard to not jump to conclusions that

[4:38:20] somebody doesn't want to do their job or they're not interested or they don't

[4:38:24] care there might be that going on but we also have to give everybody their due

[4:38:28] respect that they're all here to do a job

[4:38:33] and i own it i own my own conspiracy theories about what i have considered in

[4:38:38] the past seven years of my participation like i've i've i own it and the only

[4:38:43] last thing i want to say as you saw me barrel in the door in the middle of this

[4:38:47] meeting was i was at home watching this meeting and you guys were talking about

[4:38:51] the waste management and there was a conversation about

[4:38:55] dedicating those and listen

[4:38:58] i'm not real good at regurgitating a lot of that stuff and i missed part of it

[4:39:01] because i was driving over here so with that being said i just want you

[4:39:05] to know that while you were discussing that this was a tax could be seen as a

[4:39:10] tax that storm water management at this time

[4:39:14] is not included holiday aisle is not included

[4:39:18] not any part of holiday isle from the gulf shore drive i call a holiday aisle

[4:39:22] from the sign behind it the city considers holiday aisle from

[4:39:26] the gulf shore drive 98 cross back

[4:39:30] none of that is included in storm water in the next five to ten year plan

[4:39:35] i voted for that to go through at lpa on thursday night i don't have a problem

[4:39:39] with that but when you start talking about how it's going to be a tax and

[4:39:43] everybody will get the benefit of it not none of holiday iowa will get the

[4:39:47] benefit of anything that's a tax that would go to storm water management in

[4:39:50] that particular case as a side note mr burgess also mentioned

[4:39:56] that they had talked about the swale program so at lpa i also had brought

[4:40:00] this same issue up and was told about the swale situation

[4:40:06] swale program and we talked about that being something

[4:40:09] that would be done out there but that is not storm water management so if you

[4:40:14] want to consider it a tax where that would go across for storm water

[4:40:17] management that does not include holiday aisle

[4:40:20] thank you ma'am appreciate it all right last call for

[4:40:25] alcohol

[4:40:28] because i already need it all right everyone else thank you so much for

[4:40:31] attending the meeting people out there on camera have a blessed night

[4:40:36] meeting adjourned

05.02.2022 Regular City Council Meeting

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