[0:00] And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, thank you. So, here you, you want to call the roll? Here.

[0:30] for the request for a disconnect by

[0:34] DJ 57 properties I guess and we're

[0:39] taking this public we're listening and

[0:41] we're just taking public comments and

[0:43] so the way it's going to run is

[0:45] there's a lot of interest if you want

[0:46] to speak you know we're only scheduled

[0:49] for 30 minutes we'll kind of roll

[0:51] until we we got to finish but it's

[0:54] only for three minutes if you got to

[0:56] say something that somebody else has

[0:58] said it'd be nice if you just say I agree with that person or I agree with that or something

[1:04] just kind of in my stance we'll get at many people who want to talk to his can but like

[1:08] said three minutes, we'll time it. I'll give you about 15 minutes or 15 seconds heads

[1:13] up that your time is about out and we'll continue to go okay.

[1:17] So is there somebody here who's going to tell us what's going on first what this hearing

[1:23] is about? I mean I've read the letter what is the city's position where are you?

[1:28] services can't you provide this is a hearing for this petition that's what

[1:33] we're required by law to have as a public hearing good and so not

[1:40] this step we can't we can't lie it's huh that's just because this is the way

[1:47] it's being held this you know we're we have legal counsel to and we're

[1:51] following legal counsel and we're having a public hearing and it's on this

[1:55] What country are we going to listen to so the thing is we'll do three minutes each and so start now

[2:08] We are recording things going good I turn mine out here

[2:14] You did or you need to

[2:18] It is I turned on my iPad

[2:21] I've got it on. Everybody's got it on. Okay. So you're speaking for those requests that you must bear.

[2:31] Mark. Mark. Very. Very. Okay. Thank you. And question before I get started,

[2:39] it's customary usually for the applicant to have more than three minutes. I mean, I can keep it in three minutes,

[2:44] but it might be more helpful to remember the town if I was a little longer now, but I'll do whatever you want,

[2:49] Well, let's just try to keep it so we can hear any people.

[2:52] I'll try to keep it as simple as I can.

[2:55] Mr. Mayor, my name is Bruce Bayard.

[2:56] I'm a council for the development team,

[2:59] the property owner.

[3:01] I'm also here in the community of Latter.

[3:02] Jesse Latter.

[3:03] I'm sorry.

[3:04] Talk a little louder.

[3:06] Most people tell me to be quiet.

[3:08] So I'll try to talk a little louder.

[3:11] Anyway, I'm here with Jesse Latter.

[3:13] He's here again from the development team,

[3:16] the ownership development team.

[3:17] I have some familiarity with this connection statute in the state, this will be my sixth successful disconnection including 4,000 acres out of Bluffdale, 9,000 acres out of the town of Bluff, several hundred out of the town of Leeds, a few out of Cottonwood Heights, etc.

[3:38] So I'm going to make it clear the basic premise in the statute is undeveloped properties

[3:45] get to determine which governmental jurisdiction they are in, especially in a case of a town

[3:52] like Dutch John, where the boundaries to be blunt don't make any sense.

[3:58] I mean, you have the lake in the town, you have forest service in the town, you have other

[4:03] property in the town that you have literally no control of, and there's no earthly reason

[4:07] for it to be in the town because you have no control over it.

[4:12] The standard in the court is justice and equity and justice and equity basically means

[4:17] is it right or fair for this property to be in the town or does it get to go out of the town?

[4:24] I have a David Letterman for those people who are old enough to remember David Letterman

[4:27] top ten list of the things and I'm going to just cut it very briefly into things that

[4:32] that I think would show up for justice and equity after discovery, which is expensive

[4:37] and a pain and terrible and unfun.

[4:40] Written discovery and depositions, which are also terribly unfun.

[4:45] You have researched everything.

[4:47] I've read your budgets for the last decade I've read.

[4:49] You're planning and zoning.

[4:50] I've got minutes.

[4:51] I've got two monstrous books of everything here for the last ten years.

[4:54] So here's the top ten things that I think the town has done wrong.

[4:58] It would eventually justify disconnection.

[5:00] Number one, as far as I can tell, a large chunk of the town's budget is coming from class B and C road funds.

[5:07] However, the roads are actually owned by the county, not by you.

[5:12] And if you take a look at the budgets, it seemed like you spent almost nothing,

[5:17] four or five hundred thousand dollars you've received in the last ten years.

[5:21] And you've spent maybe a hundred and a hundred and fifty on road maintenance.

[5:24] I just drove by some cones that apparently have been there for a decade.

[5:28] Number two, your budget, your recent budget of,

[5:31] I just looked at it for 2025 and 2026.

[5:35] Your budgeting 25 didn't spend it,

[5:37] 35,000, sorry, 26, 35,000 for fire, 30 belt

[5:41] for police, 35 for EMS.

[5:43] You didn't spend any of that in the U that you budgeted,

[5:47] and there's no possible way

[5:48] that you can have any police presence

[5:50] or EMS presence or fire presence

[5:52] for those kinds of money.

[5:54] It just won't do it.

[5:55] You'd need a budget, the typical version for a fire station or a EMS is a million dollars

[6:03] to have it staffed per year.

[6:05] You can't do it and you don't need it.

[6:07] You don't provide any public services.

[6:09] You've treated D.J., Invested D.D.57 and before that, the prior ownership group unfairly regarding

[6:14] the curb gutter and sidewalk in the moratorium is shown extreme favoritism to Joe Mack.

[6:21] And by the way, your development agreement with Joe Mac is 100% illegal.

[6:26] It has not even come close to complying with the standards for development agreement.

[6:31] In state law, it is never considered by the planning commission, even though it modified zoning.

[6:36] It's completely illegal.

[6:38] There's a whole bunch of records in the references of the records to people on the staff and

[6:43] planning commission and some on the council, et cetera.

[6:45] Essentially bullying developers and saying, we can get what we want by delaying you and

[6:50] installing you. My understanding is that Mr. McDonald and I don't know

[6:54] him personally is on the this is on the planning commission but I don't find any

[6:57] records whatsoever that he's taken an oath of office that he submitted an

[7:01] epic conduct complex or a conflict of interest disclosure. The planning

[7:06] commission and the town council seem to overlap improperly with the roles of

[7:11] the two against the guidelines for the you felt legal cities and towns the

[7:15] confusion of the roles between the mayor and the planning commission. There seems

[7:20] to be a number of noticing issues regarding the Open and Public Meetings Act, where the

[7:25] town simply hasn't complied with the Open and Public Meetings Act. There's a whole bunch

[7:31] of examples that I can give and will have to give if we have to go to court or just the utter

[7:35] dysfunction of the planning department. And I understand it, it's a small town, but that's why

[7:41] small towns don't get to stop people from developing their property. And then there's other government

[7:47] government's issues as well, including apparently combined positions on the city council and

[7:53] the city staff between the staff and other officials that are not allowed to be combined.

[7:59] And there's some other potential planning and zoning membership issues.

[8:02] That's just a quick list and I try to keep it as quickly as I can.

[8:06] The simple fact is you have a couple of choices after this public hearing and after your period

[8:12] of time to consider it.

[8:13] You can either deny the public, the disconnection petition, or you can probably arrange to have a budget opening hearing where essentially all of your budget money will be going to your lawyer.

[8:26] Your lawyer is a fine lawyer. It's an excellent lawyer I dealt with him in the town of Leeds Disconnection. He's a fine lawyer, but he's going to tell you I'm certain that this is going to be an expensive, unpleasant, bitter fight.

[8:39] And I hope he's going to tell you that you have better things to do with your money than fight a disconnection of the vacant land that only provides

[8:48] Small fraction of the town's budget. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you

[9:01] So are you on the list to speak because we want to hear?

[9:04] Those are a list.

[9:05] Yeah, there was a list.

[9:06] Harry, did you have the list?

[9:07] I do.

[9:08] I'm not going to respond to any questions.

[9:10] It's inappropriate.

[9:11] That's fine.

[9:12] Yeah.

[9:12] This meeting is strictly just a public comment about the request for the disconnect.

[9:19] So, you learned you call?

[9:22] First time our list is Woody Bear.

[9:25] I'll give my time to Lincoln.

[9:28] Okay.

[9:29] All right.

[9:31] My name's Lincoln Burfold.

[9:34] I've been coming to this place most of my life, my dad had,

[9:41] I've been coming here since

[9:42] AK Reynolds owned Red Canyon Lodge, I kind of wrote my notes down, I just wanted to come

[9:48] and be heard, my dad spent his life giving our family memories up here, so my friend

[9:57] Kevin told me about what Matt Lucas did up on the mountain, and so 10 years, about nine

[10:02] years ago I went and submitted to the county to get some land and they told me

[10:08] you can't it's five acres I wanted to get five acres they said well they

[10:11] changed the zoning to 40 so I went back we did it went back got 40 came back

[10:19] applied for 40 acres got the got the land came back and about a week later I

[10:24] received the phone call from a guy named Dave McDonald said to me

[10:29] congratulations on your land. I'm happy for you. Can you send me a copy of

[10:33] the agreement? Send him a copy of the agreement.

[10:38] About two weeks later I called him

[10:40] back to say, I have a couple questions. He's like, Lincoln, you don't need to

[10:44] even ask me questions. You're never going to build on that land. I said, why is

[10:48] that? He's like, because I'm not going to allow it. You're going to want to give

[10:52] by a lot down here in the town, like the rest of us.

[10:57] And I said, like about the land from them.

[11:00] And he said, I got two half acre lots.

[11:02] I'll say, well, 50 grand, I said, I don't want to do that.

[11:07] Anyway, next thing I hear from a close friend,

[11:10] there's a moratorium going into place.

[11:13] And I'm like, I have one of my best friend's

[11:16] dad's in attorney.

[11:17] I had him create a subdivision application, drove up,

[11:19] handed it to Harriet the day before the moratorium.

[11:22] So my subject, my subdivision was in place now, and they

[11:32] were basically putting the

[11:33] moratorium to stop me from building on the land that I bought next to Matt.

[11:37] Fast forward, we get the attorney on the phone, my attorney, your attorney, and meet before

[11:44] the moratorium.

[11:45] After dozens of rumors of me building hotels of 40 acres, I was able to spend some time

[11:49] with Buddy Rogers at his home. He was the current mayor at the time of a friend. He told

[11:55] me you get with Brett. Brett Reynolds is a lifelong friend, a civic engineering. Have him

[12:00] drop your plot and get it to me. And I'll sign it. And that's what this is. It's a subdivision

[12:05] that Buddy Rogers signed. And I said, what about Dave McDonald? He said, don't worry about

[12:10] Dave McDonald. I'll take care of Dave McDonald. I'll pass forward, but he passes away from

[12:15] cancer.

[12:17] Yeah, that was rough. Anyway, 15 seconds.

[12:23] $55,000 on a well, $8,000 on an engineering, $12,000 on a road, $20,000 on custom home

[12:30] plant plants. I'm announced to me they're re-changed. They re-changed the zoning again to light

[12:38] industrial from maybe 40 without any written notice. Dennis Judd told me to go ahead and

[12:44] Pay all this money, do it, that I was good to go.

[12:46] I paid it all, I'm over $200,000 into this deal,

[12:50] and I got nothing.

[12:51] I got a piece of dirt sitting up there.

[12:55] Time's over.

[12:56] Thank you.

[12:57] Jamie, there is his next.

[12:58] All right.

[13:01] I have a long statement, but I'm only going to read part of it,

[13:04] and I'm going to give the town council a copy of the floor.

[13:12] I get my three minutes to write to what I get my three minutes because I got

[13:16] Woody's I'm sorry I'm sorry hang on go ahead take off

[13:28] okay a teenager let me get back to where I was I'm sorry tell me that I have to

[13:34] put Kerbin gutter from the town of Dutch John up to Matt and Lucas's before I can build

[13:40] a home.

[13:42] That road was built in 1958 and it hasn't changed since 1958.

[13:46] It's still the exact same.

[13:48] I'm not prepared to build, to do that.

[13:50] I wanted a dream to take my family here, to be able to go up there, and to have my family

[13:55] make memories here.

[13:56] and all the people that we've had a place of claim George Lodge for 30 years.

[14:02] And anyway, at this point, I'm probably going to complete loss, my life savings, my dream,

[14:08] my dad had a stroke and can no longer come here to be completely honest.

[14:14] The men manipulating the ordinance in this town are dishonest and crooked

[14:17] and I don't want to be within 100 miles of them literally bragging to people that I know

[14:22] about running their own sovereign nation in the town of Dutch George.

[14:26] Last time I checked, I lived in America and I want no part of being anywhere near these people.

[14:32] That's it. Thank you.

[14:33] Okay. Thank you.

[14:35] Jamie Barris.

[14:36] All right.

[14:38] Well, that's a tough act to follow, but here we go.

[14:41] So for those of you that don't know me, my name is Jamie Barris.

[14:46] Scott Barris is my husband.

[14:48] I have been part of the planning and zoning since February.

[14:51] of this year. So I can't speak to anything that has happened prior.

[15:00] As a quick statement to that, I will say, you know, Dutch shunners is small town. It has a lot of work to be done in regards to the structure and the ordinances in order to make it functional and easier for developers to come in and have a comprehensive guide as to how to develop and move forward within the town of Dutch shunners. I do feel that within my time year, that has been a goal

[15:29] that we've tried to achieve. We did also take the town into a moratorium in April,

[15:37] specifically to basically get better guidelines and better definitions and also implement

[15:48] an ordinance for HUD development because we were lacking one. There was nothing in the ordinance

[15:54] and all that would give a developer any guidelines

[15:58] for a HUD development, which did affect the lastly group

[16:03] specifically because they're a private dated community

[16:06] that they wanted to have their preliminary proposal

[16:12] was for what is classified as a HUD.

[16:16] And so, and they would also bring that up multiple times

[16:19] that we were lacking in the structure of guidance in that.

[16:23] So as part of that moratorium was to ensure the proper infrastructure was outlined within the ordinances for those not just his property.

[16:31] There's a resort and other proposals coming through the town of that shun that everyone.

[16:38] Well, it is our job as the planning and zoning to establish better guidelines, better ordinances and to try and make sure the general plan and the ordinances are cohesive.

[16:52] So that's been our goal. There's still a lot of work to do.

[16:57] I don't think that there's any nefarious intent. I think that you deal with a lot of people that volunteer their time outside of full-time work schedules and stuff like that.

[17:09] And, you know, it is offensive to hear somebody be so negative towards the effort that these people put to the town.

[17:19] on our volunteer firefighters, our AMS, our ambulance

[17:24] that's coming and to tear it down just because we don't

[17:28] fit, you know, big city mold.

[17:34] Can I do two for you?

[17:36] Okay.

[17:36] Down through the wall.

[17:38] Okay.

[17:39] Everyone.

[17:40] So, you know, we've heard comments about, you know, us being

[17:44] unwilling or to work with development where stuck is a town

[17:48] we don't want to grow. All of those I would say are false. Rather I would charge

[17:53] me as a community or fighting against a developer that I personally feel does

[17:58] not care about the needs, desires, or future of the town or community that this

[18:03] developer put a single preliminary proposal through and when he didn't receive

[18:07] the exemptions he requested that other builders have had to do such as reducing

[18:13] setbacks, not establishing sidewalks, scooters, trails, narrowing streets and

[18:17] essentially leaving no open spaces for public to continue to enjoy.

[18:25] Basically asking the town to allow him to build whatever he wants.

[18:29] When he was denied those setbacks, he set out on a mission to disconnect, to literally

[18:33] divide the town in half, and would subsequently have devastating effects to the community.

[18:39] It would ultimately be the district, it will ultimately be the destruction of the town

[18:44] I'm going to add Sean and all this community has a vision for our future.

[18:50] I'm going to outline what I feel would be negative impacts for our community.

[18:56] Should we allow the disconnect to go through?

[18:59] In review of the Utah Code, I would give the following reasons.

[19:05] There would be material and increased cost to the town to maintain streets, public access

[19:11] this is fire safety, ambulance, and emergency services

[19:14] that we do provide through many volunteers.

[19:17] It would remove the potential tax revenue

[19:19] from the future development growth,

[19:21] yet further burden and already stress waters

[19:23] and sewer system leaving no tax revenue

[19:26] for the town to be able to upgrade

[19:27] or repair existing infrastructure.

[19:30] The separation development would economically rely

[19:34] on the town's local businesses and their employees

[19:37] that live in the town to maintain its properties

[19:39] and rely on the business and employees to provide recreation and appeal to the potential

[19:46] buyers of their property.

[19:48] It would capitalize on the work and services provided through those locals but to seek

[19:52] to remove all kind of it and further burden the limited employment pool without contributing

[19:59] anything to the economic growth or affordable housing solutions.

[20:03] The separation would eliminate the necessity of the DG-5-7 to be compliant to any zoning or

[20:09] time ordinances in a small compliant valley which would destroy the community's autonomy

[20:16] and right to have input to the general plan and future growth of this area, impacting the

[20:22] history and ecology of the community irreparably. The development would not have to conform to a

[20:29] congruent and complimentary building standards,

[20:31] negatively impacting any opportunity

[20:34] for the town and further future developments

[20:36] to create a cohesive community.

[20:39] There's further bullet points,

[20:40] I'm happy to provide this to anyone that would like a copy,

[20:44] and I've provided it to the town council.

[20:47] So, thank you.

[20:50] Matt, thank you.

[20:54] Well, it's good.

[20:56] Thank you.

[20:57] Here we go in another fight.

[20:59] I guess I'll start with that.

[21:04] I guess I'm disappointed both in Jesse Lossley and the City Council or this town that

[21:12] we're going down this road again.

[21:16] I'm tired of fighting.

[21:20] I'm tired of us not getting along and being productive of built things in this town.

[21:29] a good build ground in this town of built a livelihood here love all of you

[21:35] guys a lot it's an extremely special place and I guess I would just like to

[21:43] say like I would ask you guys don't go down this road both Jesse as well as

[21:48] this town and get in another argument that's gonna spend our money in order to do

[21:54] it. There's a ton of solutions with problems just like these, and things where bullsides

[22:01] can win. And I'm tired of that stubborn, unmovable attitude sometimes from bullsides. I feel

[22:13] like I've tried to conform in order to get things done, and I would challenge bullsides to

[22:19] do just that. Try to find some type of compromise. Move past this. That acreage is important to this town

[22:26] and I would like to see it here. Absolutely. So figure out how to make it work. There's a

[22:32] solution to this. I guess, again, I'll say it, Jesse, the town figures something out like we can do

[22:40] this. It's easy, right? And I think full sides want to do good things. That's it.

[22:49] Okay, next time I missed was Bruce, that's me, I already spoke. Okay, that was good to me.

[22:58] Julie handy.

[23:04] First, I'd just like to say if I get any of the number of acreages wrong in my statement,

[23:08] I apologize, make those adjustments as you guys need.

[23:14] Good evening, my name is Julie handy.

[23:16] I'm speaking tonight as a concerned citizen and resident who was raised in Dutch John and has lived a majority of my life here.

[23:24] I strongly oppose DJ-57's request to disconnect roughly 1900 acres from Dutch John's boundaries.

[23:31] Although DJ-57 owns roughly 130, its petition also seeks to disconnect more than 1800 acres of publicly owned land.

[23:41] Decision affecting such a substantial portion of the town should not be treated as a narrow

[23:45] dispute about whether one copy owner currently receives enough municipal services.

[23:52] That's shown as a small and unique community, tightly net, need or for growth.

[23:57] Those of us who grew up here understand that the town's value cannot be measured only by

[24:01] the services provided to a particular vacant parcel today.

[24:05] Municipal boundaries also shape the community's future,

[24:08] the ability to plan responsibly, manage compatible development,

[24:13] protect access and infrastructure, and maintain a coherent voice

[24:16] when dealing with the county, state, and federal government.

[24:20] D.J. 57's letter repeatedly argues that disconnection

[24:24] will have no adverse effect because the land is largely vacant

[24:27] and the town does not currently provide certain services there.

[24:31] But current conditions are not the only consideration.

[24:33] Make it land may be developed as is proposed, infrastructure needs may change, public lands

[24:40] and private development can significantly affect the residents and businesses within

[24:45] the town.

[24:46] Once the territory is removed, that shong will lose meaningful influence over decisions

[24:50] that could shape the community for generations.

[24:53] There are quite also deserves careful scrutiny because the petition removed far more land

[24:58] them DJ 57 itself owns. Before agreeing to disconnect the nearly 2000 acres, the town should

[25:04] be independently examining the legal, financial, planning, infrastructure, and geographic

[25:09] consequences. Not simply accept the petitioners' conclusion that the effect will be minimal.

[25:15] But Sean worked hard to become an incorporated community and gain a voice in its own future.

[25:21] I am proud of those community members who fought to incorporate this town and find the notion

[25:25] of disconnecting a substantial portion of this town that they love is respectful.

[25:31] Disconnecting this land weakens the town's voice, limits its opportunities and has consequences

[25:35] beyond what can be predicted. The town and its community won't grow, but growth should not be done

[25:41] rapidly, uncontrolled, or against the current character of the town. I respectfully ask the town

[25:47] council to oppose the petition and preserve Dutch-Chung's existing boundaries. And I pose one question

[25:53] ten seconds to those looking to develop in the sound. The town chose to

[25:58] incorporate for a region. The county and the history that's there is worth looking at.

[26:05] It's only been, we've only incorporated for ten years. It hasn't had that much

[26:10] trying to develop into the potential future I see it has. Okay, thanks. Next.

[26:21] just before just before before going further here because we're going to run out of time for this meeting but with consent of the planning zoning chair.

[26:29] You'll let us move into your melodic time.

[26:33] I can talk.

[26:34] Okay with that consent.

[26:35] Go ahead.

[26:35] So next on the list.

[26:38] I'm Jesse lastly.

[26:39] I know a few of you here.

[26:40] I don't know all of you.

[26:41] Are you taking three minutes?

[26:42] Yeah.

[26:43] Can I take three?

[26:44] No.

[26:44] Three.

[26:44] research. So I don't know everybody here, no charlotte

[26:48] plug or 10 music, it's pretty good outdoors.

[26:53] But I just want to be very, very

[26:54] clear about this process. And I know there are some people that are new to

[26:58] planning commission. I've owned a house here for a number of years on

[27:02] forestry. And I might tell you, I started out trying to build a boat garage

[27:06] here. And it cost me only about 45 grand to go through the process with the

[27:11] town, and I don't have a boat drive. So I went out there and looked at some land. So

[27:16] day I'm going to go build a place, just like Lincoln wanted to go do. So I bought some land.

[27:22] And I was following the rules. And I've spent six figures, six figures a month. This isn't

[27:31] like a slow little process. And I've gone through the planning commission. I follow the rules

[27:36] of the ordinances, that there is a PUD process. I worked with planning and zoning, got verbal

[27:43] confirmation to move forward with preliminary plot. And what do I get? I even worked with

[27:49] the staff. And they said we talked about curve gutter and sidewalk waivers. I had books and

[27:54] hung up on the property. They understood the terrain. And why we were doing that. It gets passed.

[28:02] I go to try to do my project and just like everybody else, it has land here, surprise,

[28:08] surprise, we get moratoriums, and then the rules change, and I was following the rules.

[28:14] So look, at the end of the day, I have worked with that Sean.

[28:18] I have been over backwards, I've spent tons of money, and I appreciate Matt's comments,

[28:23] But I got to tell you at some point, just like Lincoln over there, in his $50,000 paper

[28:31] plans, I've got six figures of paper lands, and I've really tried to work hard, and I

[28:38] don't know what to do at this point because I feel like, and it's really disappointing

[28:44] to work with a planning commission and have the mayor and everybody else, and you're telling

[28:49] them what's going on.

[28:50] this isn't some big surprise. My Ranch 8 project that's trying to do. So at the end of the day,

[28:58] I appreciate all your comments. I'm not here to disrupt your life. I want to do a nice project

[29:04] in the community. I love Dutch John. I love the people here that I know. I have lots of friends.

[29:11] I've donated my property for free for fireworks for years. That's nothing.

[29:15] But I do want the community to understand that there's stuff going on here and I appreciate

[29:22] all coming out tonight because this is the biggest crowd I've ever seen and I've been

[29:26] to these planning and zoning or the probably anybody in here 15 seconds.

[29:31] So I appreciate you guys coming here but I want you to let you know I'm working with the

[29:35] community, I support the community, I'm going to do a good part.

[29:39] So thank you.

[29:41] I don't know what time it is.

[29:45] Um, Jeff has gone online and he found his handries.

[29:50] He has?

[29:51] Okay.

[29:51] He's got a comment?

[29:53] Okay.

[29:54] Go ahead.

[29:56] Jeff, are you there?

[30:03] He's a, Jeff, you're on mute if you can hear us.

[30:12] Either on mute. Oh, he's muted, old. Yeah. Anyway, it'll unmute and then it. Let's go to the next and try to get a holding. See him up. Can't you send away a little messages or something? Say, be ready. Check the. Go ahead, Paul. Is it possible to make a comment? I didn't get on the sign up to you. I wasn't aware of the weather. I'm sorry. What? Why don't you just give me that? All right.

[30:38] So Harriet, call the next one, okay?

[30:41] There was anybody else on the board.

[30:42] Okay, well, then the next one, Dave, you can go ahead three minutes.

[30:48] All right, so I'm Dave McDonald, the highly-lawigned Dave McDonald.

[30:52] You asked me to do this after.

[30:56] Yeah, I'll get you.

[30:59] The one thing that I want to kind of point out to everybody is that before Jesse got involved with the community,

[31:05] that we had created and finished

[31:07] by planning them zoning ordinance.

[31:09] And in that planning and zoning ordinance,

[31:12] still today, the same one that he signed up for

[31:15] when he bought his land,

[31:17] it required that you do certain things

[31:19] to do as a development in the town of Dustjohn.

[31:22] And the things that he seems to be the best I know

[31:26] upset about is he doesn't want to do a carbon gutter.

[31:29] He doesn't want to do sidewalk,

[31:31] he doesn't want to do hard surface driveways.

[31:33] He doesn't want to make a proper town out of his development.

[31:35] He wants it to be more rural, like rural,

[31:39] baggy county.

[31:40] Well, that doesn't work in town.

[31:44] And to now that he finds that he has to do that,

[31:46] he wants to take his toys and go home.

[31:50] This has just been an amazing experience.

[31:54] And it hasn't helped.

[31:55] I don't know if all of you guys really understand

[31:58] how hard we fight with Daggett County,

[32:01] who is the owner of all this land, who's selling it, without telling people that it comes

[32:06] with strings.

[32:07] And this counted rates.

[32:09] I'm sorry?

[32:10] That discounted rates.

[32:11] Yeah.

[32:12] Well, but I don't care what the rate is.

[32:14] The fact that they don't represent it honestly to people who were buying.

[32:19] So Jesse gets stuck with a piece of property that he has an idea of what he's going to do

[32:22] with it.

[32:23] And then he comes and looks, it belatedly, how do we say, he comes and looks at the planet

[32:28] in England's only wardens, that didn't work with what his mental image was, I guess.

[32:36] I've done that, and not it's not true.

[32:37] That is not true, Dave.

[32:39] Okay, so this is public hearing, let's not have no discussion.

[32:44] Yeah, let's keep on track.

[32:46] Anyway, at this point, rather than trying to tear the town apart, I would say that it would be best

[32:53] to try to sit down and find a solution.

[32:59] Because if we end up in court, which is where this

[33:03] seems to be happening, it nobody wins. Nobody wins. Nobody wins. Okay, anybody else getting

[33:14] comments on making statements about this disconnect? You can still, I'll tell you, we'll take

[33:20] written. Oh go ahead. Is there a possibility to find land that's outside the town of

[33:25] this town that you can be required? We're not going to get into debate here tonight.

[33:30] Yeah. So do I have a minute? Can I have a minute? Can I have a minute? I'm just telling you

[33:34] would I have a minute? Sure but we're not going to get into debate. Is there a possibility that

[33:41] there could be a land trade and maybe you can put your project kind of what you want to do?

[33:46] maybe outside of the context of our town so that it doesn't impact all these people's thoughts and feelings and you seeing yourself.

[33:55] Let's just read this.

[33:56] So let's keep it in just a public comment.

[34:00] That's what we need to do here, public comments on this.

[34:03] And that's what we're asking for.

[34:04] Yeah.

[34:05] Is it public comments?

[34:06] And so.

[34:07] I just look at a solution possibly.

[34:10] So with public comments come that's what we want to hear about public comments about this disconnect.

[34:15] Yeah, and then you know, I hear you kind of trying to make it in there, but it's just like let's not that you're you're almost

[34:22] good into trying to figure out how to go for a solution, but look at it like you know this town was kind of

[34:28] incorporated so that any land sold and taxes can be profitable and helpful for a community, okay,

[34:37] and our taxes and all the stuff that goes with land sales and stuff like that seem to be going too

[34:41] So as we disconnect and you go to dad get that doesn't help our community much in the terms of

[34:49] benefiting all the people that live here

[34:51] This is a small place and tightly knit through the people that have a passion for this area. So

[34:58] Excuse me. I know what I said. I'm trying to keep it into a public comment. You tell them you need to be talking to the council

[35:05] That's what you that's what this is. We receive the council using

[35:08] Well, you were, we were seeing it. It's hard. It's hard hearing.

[35:12] You talk to us.

[35:12] I guess you don't want to hear what I have to say. So go ahead.

[35:14] Okay.

[35:15] Now I'm just trying to tell you that this is how I see it.

[35:17] That's what I was thinking. Go ahead.

[35:18] And I'm just saying that, you know,

[35:20] over the clock about, just get it.

[35:22] We're extending about it.

[35:24] We're fine.

[35:25] We're extending it.

[35:26] We're extending it.

[35:28] Okay.

[35:30] I'm never going to start the time on you.

[35:32] So.

[35:33] Good.

[35:34] It goes out of text from Jeff Haskell, he says that he's been muted by our system and he can't get through.

[35:40] All right, let's hit.

[35:43] Hey, it looks like you got it off, guys.

[35:46] Thank you.

[35:47] All right.

[35:47] You got three minutes, Jeff.

[35:49] Right on.

[35:50] And I want the dome to need three minutes.

[35:52] I didn't prepare three minutes.

[35:54] While I do agree with, you know, Matt said I'd love to find some common ground.

[36:00] I'm in full agreement with Mrs. Barris on her position.

[36:05] I've owned a home in Dutch John for 25 some odd years and I have seen a lot of positive

[36:14] changes up there and I'm really happy with those and my concern is, is if those tax dollars

[36:21] aren't coming into the town, everyone's still going to use our roads, our services, etc.

[36:26] There's not going to be a lot of benefits.

[36:28] So, well, I'd like to find some common ground and something that makes sense that it's a win-win for everyone.

[36:36] I don't necessarily like the idea of what is being proposed as far as, and actually in all this land around us, and us not having any say or control over it going forward.

[36:49] So, essentially that's what I have to say at this point. I'll prepare a more accurate written statement,

[36:56] But I definitely wanted my voice heard I I don't want to see this happen if it doesn't make sense and we're not benefiting from it as a town

[37:06] Okay, thanks. Yeah, so one thing I want to make a comment on so

[37:10] We'll take public comments written public comments or text messages or anything like that until September 2nd at 5 p.m

[37:20] And so if you have any of the comments you send them to the town council or you drop them by however you want to

[37:26] Yeah, would you put it out on that text bill, you know, that text bill that people want to put up.

[37:32] Did John Morton have a letter already?

[37:34] Yeah, that's right, John Morton had.

[37:36] Did you have that?

[37:38] I think it's on with you.

[37:40] Well, anyway, we have received some letters.

[37:43] We have people that, you know, there are feelings about that, so we have those on file.

[37:50] All this stuff will be taken up and then we'll, for the public comments.

[38:00] I just got to say, excuse me, Dan Bolton, volunteer, everything, yeah, separation might sound

[38:13] good, but be careful what you wish for. As volunteers aren't getting up out of bed to

[38:19] to help people that aren't going to help us.

[38:21] That's how I was.

[38:22] Okay.

[38:24] Okay, I move to adjourn.

[38:27] So moved.

[38:28] So moved.

[38:28] All favor say aye.

[38:30] Aye.

Dutch John Town Council Public Hearing

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