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[3:48] get joint roll calls, please.

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[4:04] Thank you.

[4:05] All right.

[4:05] We're going to get right into it.

[4:07] We have new business.

[4:08] I'm going to ask you.

[4:10] You're going to be connected.

[4:11] City of Eagle and the Parks Pathways Recreation Commission

[4:14] Joint Work session on Planc.

[4:18] Opportunities here.

[4:19] And Christina, did you want to start off there?

[4:21] Do you want to come up here?

[4:30] I was everyone doing today.

[4:33] We have a, I believe it's crazy.

[4:43] Thank you everyone for having us back for our second

[4:46] joint work session.

[4:47] we came in April and went through some of the initial visioning and overall

[4:55] project information and now we have been working on our needs assessment.

[5:00] And our first questionnaire, and so we're going to give you feedback of different trends, needs, and benchmarks that we've analyzed over the past couple months.

[5:14] And then the main purpose of today is to provide direction to us and the project advisory team on the preliminary opportunities ahead of public input, which is coming up quick.

[5:27] It's in two weeks, the mayor and I just recorded the mayor minute that's going to go out and

[5:32] then newsletter.

[5:33] Just went out today to announce December 14th meeting, so I can mention that to you guys here

[5:39] in a little bit.

[5:40] So, I'm going to do a little bit of a presentation, so for you to ask any questions on that

[5:46] need assessment and the questionnaire.

[5:48] And then we're going to go through an opportunity discussion where we look at the preliminary

[5:53] opportunities based on all of that analysis, based on also the site visit that we had for

[6:00] all the topics, parks, pathways, recreation, open space, operations and implementation, and so

[6:06] we'll have discussion. We'll talk a little bit about some of the feedback that we got at the advisory

[6:12] work group just a couple of hours ago. So the stakeholders, again, that's like different agencies,

[6:21] These like BLM, game and fish, ACHG,

[6:24] it accounting as well as interest groups,

[6:27] like facts, the swim bud, those types of groups as well.

[6:31] They all were present there and gave us some feedback,

[6:34] so we can share a little bit about that.

[6:37] Again, looking for your feedback to provide us some discussion.

[6:42] Just a quick reminder of the schedule small, but phase one

[6:47] is what we're going to present to you the findings of that analysis.

[6:50] that's what we've worked through the past couple months since we have got contracted and then

[6:57] face cues where we are now and so we've been working with staff to come up with a preliminary

[7:02] opportunities. Now we're here getting your feedback and then we'll go to the public and then

[7:07] at the end of that opportunities phase will be drafting the plan and putting together those opportunities

[7:14] into final recommendations, and then doing some prioritization and some initial development

[7:23] of the plan, which will be later this fall, and then approvals become in the spring.

[7:31] So, just as a reminder, some of the plan goals that we establish is to create a five-year

[7:36] vision and implementation plan.

[7:39] I will admit a lot of some of these recommendations, especially some of the path

[7:45] ways are longer than that, like that we can get done in five years, but having that initial

[7:51] vision is important, having things down on paper so we have that connectivity we can

[7:56] have, we can look forward, this isn't like your capital improvements plan, it's something

[8:02] that is visionary and then at the end of the document we can highlight with those key five-year

[8:07] implementation pieces are. The other goal was to incorporate parks, trails, pathways, recreation,

[8:14] open space, all of those topics, because they're all related, they're all interconnected into

[8:19] one planning effort into one document so that you have a guiding document that you can refer

[8:24] back to, planning can refer back to it. Public Works can refer back to it, everyone can be on

[8:30] the same page and it's all in the same document. And then that plan will address various gaps and

[8:36] the changes and demographics that we're seeing, the growth in the city. And so we could improve

[8:42] activity, we can prove the system, we can maintain that high quality of service and level of

[8:49] service for your residents and visitors. And that goes along with incorporating the foothills

[8:57] communities into that because that's part of that growth and then looking at optimizing your

[9:04] operations and your implementation as well and making sure that we're all in the same page and then

[9:10] looking at the partnerships and funding as well.

[9:16] So the need to session, I think Douglas, you pointed out,

[9:18] the 80-page document, the packet, I send to you.

[9:21] So this was part of that, I'm not going to go over all

[9:24] every single detail that's in that document,

[9:26] but did want to highlight a few key pieces,

[9:29] some information that we came out of mostly

[9:31] around that trends in the benchmarking point.

[9:34] But it did start off with a review of existing plans

[9:37] and policies that also includes other departments

[9:40] or other agency and departments plans.

[9:43] So we looked at like ACHD's encompasses plans for connectivity, for transportation, state park plan, master plan, and then also a number of development plans and future development plans.

[10:00] As well. And then the committee profile, we went over that a little bit last time about demographics are changing. More families are moving into the community, growing into that is another reason why we're doing this plan is to look at those demographics and making sure that we're growing with that demand and making sure we're addressing that those demographics.

[10:22] So then we're mostly going to focus on today, the participation trends, the recreation analysis,

[10:27] and the staffing and funding analysis.

[10:29] I'll just jump right in.

[10:33] Quick overview.

[10:35] I made this point with the advisory work group earlier.

[10:38] Just to kind of summarize and go over what the city manages and what we're talking about when we incorporate all these different topics.

[10:47] So again, yeah, city manager's 16 parks,

[10:50] about over 400 acres.

[10:53] This includes all the parks, open space, trail corridors,

[10:59] and also grounds, so like the public works manages

[11:03] and most of the landscaping around this building, for example.

[11:07] So that includes all of the elements that the staff

[11:10] is responsible for and that's important

[11:12] when we talk about the staffing and the funding

[11:15] and making sure that we're maintaining, you know, beautiful places as well as keeping that

[11:22] going for the future. But only, but so, about only 123 of those acres are developed.

[11:28] And when we say developed, that means like our true playground, ballfields, type of parks.

[11:35] And the rest is that trails, the grounds, or open space, like up at the target shooting area.

[11:42] 32 miles of trails, I didn't break this down, but this does include your path, your

[11:47] paves, like dream belt trails, for example, and does include natural surface trails, and

[11:51] then also the bike park trails.

[11:53] So I think about eight or nine of those are bike park trails, and so that is incorporated into

[11:58] that total trails number.

[12:04] Okay, we're going to get some trends here, so we talked about a little bit this last time,

[12:10] but it's wanted to highlight some of the trends and why some of the opportunities will be

[12:14] discuss is looking at the needs for future recreation potential and some of this may

[12:22] look lower but that's because it's not necessarily a facility in your community. So it's

[12:28] another thing to think about like there's demand for yeah pickable and hiking and

[12:33] biking but there's also demand for some of those lower ones but that's because

[12:37] there's we need facilities for those. So two ways to look at that is that we have

[12:42] facilities and people still want more of them. And then, if we don't have facilities, that we also need to think about what we need to

[12:50] provide to the community and how that shapes future parks.

[12:59] I guess I was, I go play understand.

[13:05] I just think to help me understand that just a little bit more, like, for example, baseball.

[13:10] What does that 86 mean? Are you saying that it's that number because I'm not sure what you meant by that?

[13:19] Yeah, so the percentage is if the national average is 100, that's like your baseline. Anything above that.

[13:26] So like pickleball is 142% there is a higher demand in the immediate area for that.

[13:36] under that's lower than the national.

[13:47] So because you say that is a combination of the survey or looking at demographics, or

[13:53] available fields.

[13:55] So this isn't the questionnaire yet, and we'll get to that.

[13:57] This is just an analysis that is available through a national survey and a national database

[14:06] of information.

[14:07] So we're saying that pickle ball is we have more potential we should build more pickle ball than baseball fields is what this is saying

[14:16] And it's saying here that the lack of interest would reflect that or low numbers can be limited facilities

[14:24] So is it that we have a larger population playing soccer, but we have some facilities versus pickle ball. We don't have any fist, you know, maybe no facilities within the city

[14:34] How is that reflected because this could sway people make decisions saying, if I'm

[14:39] looking at this, I'm going, well, we need more bicycle lanes and pickle ball courts,

[14:45] but I would imagine there's a huge contingency of youth, soccer, basketball that would

[14:50] be.

[14:51] And that is the questioner shows that, so yeah, we are going to be looking at multiple

[14:55] different sources that we need to come to a discussion, and I'm going to take some

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[15:00] And the other here is the teams of the ground.

[15:14] That's the session's case, that's not the case.

[15:17] That's not the case. That's not the case.

[15:17] That's not the case. That's not the case. That's not the case.

[15:19] And it's not private either, or call the community.

[15:24] A lot of these things that they have.

[15:28] That's the right thing.

[15:29] But there's

[15:36] a local, local trust.

[15:41] They're pretty sure you want to explain local trends a little more broadly.

[15:45] because we're the side discussion was, is this eagles perception, it's not, you said,

[15:51] a national but average, but it does not take into account private entities that have

[15:58] their own businesses with pickable courts and Pilates suites and all that kind of stuff, right?

[16:06] Yeah, so this isn't from the questionnaire, this isn't what people said they want, this

[16:12] is from a national survey of market potential based on variety of factors that can be produced

[16:21] for every community as well.

[16:27] So this is local two eagle, so the market trends for star would be different, but it's based

[16:39] on a national database.

[16:45] Is that national data, is that national data, and what part of that national data is

[16:50] eagle data?

[16:51] This is reporting for eagle.

[16:53] So if you would go over to star, it might look a little different, but it's a methodology

[16:58] that's based on national data.

[17:03] That's all, correct.

[17:05] So Christina then, when you talk about the national trends and we're talking about population

[17:11] and the national trends toward the east, would have a much different population and it needs

[17:17] towards the west, are you factoring the difference in the places of where the survey is taken like that?

[17:26] It seems like if we do a national one that the west always comes on the backside of it because we are hikers and bikers

[17:33] and that we're not city folks doing the city of STEM.

[17:37] Yeah, so it is, is this specific to Eagle,

[17:42] but it's comes from looking at national trends.

[17:50] But we are.

[17:51] What do you plug in from Eagle to make it, Eagle data, too?

[17:56] It's pulling from a variety of criteria and factors.

[18:02] That's based on like a national methodology.

[18:04] So I could go pull this data for Boisie, for Star, for Pocatello, I could go, you know,

[18:11] pull it for Washington, and you can see, and it's not based on like asking asking participants,

[18:18] and so we'll get to that, we'll get to what we ask the community.

[18:22] So, Margaret Bevizio, if Ego had, we just built 200 pickleball courts in this community,

[18:29] this still wouldn't change that number because it's just taking national averages,

[18:34] basic demographic data, and actually not taking it on account, but we have.

[18:38] Correct. Yeah, what else are that?

[18:42] Kind of looking at like a national, like real estate database,

[18:49] and someone like, someone like, someone like, I want to put build a new restaurant. Is that a good idea?

[18:56] Is that not a good idea? Is there a market potential for a red lobster or is there a market potential

[19:00] for some high-scale fine dining.

[19:04] And so it's not going and asking the residents of Eagle.

[19:08] Should I build a red-lesser?

[19:09] Should I build a fine dining?

[19:11] It's looking at more of a national thing,

[19:14] but it is specific to Eagle.

[19:16] Is it for a while enough?

[19:18] But property value is primary.

[19:20] That's just, um, I'd have to get back to you

[19:23] only with a specific criteria.

[19:25] But yeah, it's like profiling the demographics of this community.

[19:30] And

[19:35] those types of numbers, the national trends, that those are numbers that are used

[19:41] like with voici Valley economic partnership when they go out on the broader scale to start recruiting companies,

[19:47] what companies would they go with, etc. So more and more on the upper level than what we're...

[19:53] Correct. So that's why, yeah, we've paired the needs assessment.

[19:57] What has it changed for that?

[20:00] inspired by the need of assessment with the questionnaires which I'll go over in a little bit as well.

[20:08] So next we looked at through discussions with the department and comparison with what we see nationally the recreation analysis of focusing on what you currently provide.

[20:24] So we know you provide city recreation programs related to use and adult recreation programs about the senior programs across the street, but there's no other like big recreation facility.

[20:39] So it's just a gap that we that we know is out there, coaches and staff are primarily volunteers, which is typical across most communities, but also comes with its challenges.

[20:51] of maintaining the spokes,

[20:56] and a lot of programs reach capacity.

[20:59] So looking at your recreation numbers, most of the programs are reaching capacity.

[21:06] So we're going to consider that into your new types of facilities that we might have.

[21:15] So for staffing, we looked at the two primary divisions responsible,

[21:20] public works and like we need fairs responsible for these types of services and amenities.

[21:25] Of course, public works also provides services like water, infrastructure, and fiber optics.

[21:33] So we just focused on the full-time equivalent that are related to the parks and open-source

[21:38] trails as well. So we have a number of staffing that's related to maintaining and improving our parks and trails.

[21:48] And then on the recreation side, you have the recreation programming and that includes the senior

[21:54] center, that includes administration and sports and then events is also in there related

[22:01] to events that happen in your parks, events that happen in across the city.

[22:06] So it's about two and a half people full time.

[22:12] Some of the things that we looked at is there is a pretty high level of standards, but we just

[22:19] to write down on these standard operating procedures and continue to mark and continue to document

[22:26] what needs to replace and how to do that life cycle replacement because so we need to

[22:32] consider that as well.

[22:37] One of the things that's not included is any sort of ranger or enforcement of parks and trails,

[22:42] And so a lot of that is done through partnerships with the staff of the sheriff's department.

[22:53] We're jumping into funding.

[22:58] So we know that the department, the Parks Recreation Open Space and Terales is funded through,

[23:05] and this is probably not news to you, the general fund, revenues from events, programs,

[23:11] And then other sources like grants, sponsorships,

[23:17] and agreements across the city.

[23:21] So 12% of anyone who lives in Eagle, 12% of their property tax goes to the city.

[23:29] The rest is going to other taxing districts, you know.

[23:32] ACHD, cemetery, transport tax, those types of groups as well.

[23:35] And so of that, so then a portion of that goes to the parks and maintenance of parks, trails,

[23:45] and so we need to consider that as part of the revenue.

[23:49] But it's hard to break down exactly what amount of that because it felt because of the filter sounds.

[23:55] I didn't calculate what exactly percent of that told percent.

[23:58] Of course, it varies by year.

[24:01] So, and then 15% of the operations comes from those user fees, so when people

[24:13] someone size up for a program, or from events, or sponsorships, or rental, for example,

[24:21] as well. And then the other source of fees, which is kind of in a different bucket because

[24:27] It relates only to capital is that park impact fee and so it's about $2,080 and then there's

[24:33] a separate trail's impact fee as well.

[24:37] So those are the park impact fee?

[24:40] Yeah, so when new development comes into the city, they pay an impact fee for parks and so

[24:49] you're paying for your impact to the city to then provide you with additional amenities

[24:56] is this could also relate to other...

[25:00] Your services at the city provides you. So there's impact fees for other things as well. And so when a development comes in and says, we're going to be building a new house.

[25:11] We say, hey, you are contributing and we need to, we're going to need to build a new park because you moved here. And then, so this is the equivalent of how much you are going to provide and that's based on the detailed calculation of how much parks costs, how much land costs,

[25:29] And then break down of the population numbers, and then they come up with a figure too.

[25:44] It all goes to capital improvements.

[25:48] So the Park Impact fee pays for future capital improvements.

[25:52] It cannot be used for ongoing maintenance or operations,

[25:56] so that's supposed to be used for that new that new park that is going to be developed

[26:03] because of the new development.

[26:06] Yes, there are impacts.

[26:09] And so this one is specific.

[26:11] This is the parks impact.

[26:13] So this amount is the park impact.

[26:17] Christine, I think you have a slide coming up regarding the percentage of what we charge

[26:24] in a park impact fear, the amount of me charge compared to other cities in the valley here.

[26:31] And I was at the advisory meeting earlier today and ours was so much lower.

[26:35] I was kind of shocked by it and everybody else, I mean, substantially lower.

[26:40] I thought maybe perhaps this would be a good time to, I mean, after you're doing the presentation,

[26:45] one of the discussions we could have here is what is the feasibility of raising that

[26:50] It seems like, you know, you think about it politically, you're thinking, well, our people

[26:56] are going to get upset about it.

[26:57] Well, developer pays it up and then the thought is, well, the developer is going to pass

[27:00] it on to the homeowner, but the amount per house is not very much, really.

[27:06] So I don't think there's anyone that's going to be getting crazy about it.

[27:09] But the fact that we are so undercharging developers is really crushing our opportunities

[27:15] to build the various facilities that we're missing.

[27:17] So, I think what's that people are?

[27:20] Yeah, and if they want.

[27:22] So, I just think that's to be a real priority for the council to be considering.

[27:26] You know, what it would take?

[27:28] Because I hear there's some percentage you can do without having public hearings.

[27:32] But even doing that percentage seems so small compared to what we really need to do.

[27:37] And I don't see that there's going to be much opposition.

[27:41] The public with really uses, we have Victor here today, and he can give us the lead.

[27:46] So Mr. Mayor and Chairman Huffaker and members, great questions.

[27:53] But one of the things that should be part of this analysis is, the Idaho Impact

[28:00] Fiac does a state statute, which actually sets forth how a municipality goes about

[28:06] collecting impact fees.

[28:07] I've always analogized it to, like, a recipe.

[28:13] The impact fee act requires the certain studies be done

[28:17] that get vetted through an impact fee advisory committee.

[28:21] There's public hearings.

[28:22] It's actually a proportionate share.

[28:25] So when we talk about growth paying for growth,

[28:27] it's not 100% of new people coming in paying for this.

[28:31] One of the things that's required to identify

[28:34] have to identify water deficiencies and what exactly is the impact that new development or new

[28:40] people come into the city, what impact. So they're only being it's a one time fee by the way.

[28:45] And so that's actually how we do it. So the analysis of this is what other cities are doing.

[28:50] That's actually, if we got challenged, we absolutely lose. You actually have to actually do a study.

[28:56] You have to determine what your level of services and I think for the city council members,

[29:01] we always talk about level of service, right?

[29:03] When we talk about the police and pack fees, for example.

[29:06] So it's really determined by what the city

[29:09] determines how many, like, for example,

[29:12] how many acres of parks per whatever number of people.

[29:15] I'm not saying that's metric,

[29:16] but I know that's been at least one of the formulas

[29:18] that cities have used.

[29:21] And so I mean, certainly, you know,

[29:23] offer discussion.

[29:24] I do know that certainly what PT Pro's is doing,

[29:28] may actually lend to maybe an additional analysis that will go in front of the city's impact

[29:35] the advisory committee because every five years by law we are required to look at all of those

[29:41] impact fees in reassess if we had.

[29:43] You know, Victor, we were looking at the acres per thousand people in the city of Edel with the other

[29:49] cities that are going to be compared here, we were also low in that as well, so that's something

[29:53] we have to raise in order to be able to say we have a deficiency, right?

[29:57] Correct.

[29:57] and that's one thing you could do, right?

[29:59] And again.

[30:00] It can where we'll be if there's a deficiency. That's not something that wrote this pain for. That's something the city is going to have to reach and know it's coffers to figure out how to address the deficiency in that too.

[30:10] So ours is basically 3.3 acres per thousand citizens, you know.

[30:14] So that I think it needs to be adjusted, but it has to go through that format to be adjusted.

[30:21] How long is that process now? I think it's probably some guidance from our city leaders.

[30:28] And then again, if there's public hearings involved as well as, again, just input from different

[30:34] industry stakeholders, I'll give you the attorney answer, right?

[30:38] It depends.

[30:40] Well, hopefully this gives us the idea of where we're deficient in what we need to go moving forward

[30:45] and they will have better.

[30:46] I'm just thinking that this discussion almost always boils down, too.

[30:49] We don't have the money to do all this stuff we need to do.

[30:52] Well, here's some crude that can be picked.

[30:55] You know we have control of to do something about we should do it, so

[31:09] yeah so like yeah

[31:11] like Victor mentioned the impact fee is a one-time thing grants are also one-time

[31:15] thing those are typically only for capital improvements and then we need grant

[31:21] writers to write grants and the other thing is we looked at is the cost recovery

[31:26] policy and so we charge folks for going to go into our recreation programs, renting our

[31:37] facilities, but there's no formal policy on how much the city would like to consider that

[31:44] cost recovery as well so considering that we'll talk more about revenue in a moment and

[31:50] then available moves as well okay so here's those pair comparisons I hope that's big enough

[31:58] So, we look at, we looked at peer comparisons as well as the National Benchmark, so the first couple of cities.

[32:06] We looked at, because they're similar in similar geographic areas, similar size, similar demographic, as far as population, median income, housing, and their local.

[32:18] We did also look at a few communities, or one community outside of Idaho, but Draper is kind of similar and it's a similar demographics next to a very populated Salt Lake area, so that's kind of one reason we looked at that one.

[32:37] So yeah, they can see they're the Parks level of service.

[32:40] You can see the current based on those acres.

[32:43] The acres develop to the 123 acres.

[32:46] Based on your residence, you have about 3.2.

[32:49] Your adopted, like the mayor said, adopted level of service

[32:52] from previous planning efforts is 3.3.

[32:57] And you can see there how that compares to other communities.

[33:04] It is pretty similar to, to codwell, a little bit lower than, then, popatella in Cuna.

[33:10] And then, they, they do actually have higher-level adopters of services as well.

[33:16] And I do want to point out that this only includes the city-owned property, and it's been

[33:21] important to consider that there are a number of HOA managed parks within this city, and

[33:27] those provide additional level of service.

[33:30] And so when we look at comparing ourselves,

[33:33] especially to those national averages,

[33:35] it's probably because they're considering

[33:37] other park acres that aren't just city acres.

[33:42] And so that is one thing that we can continue to work on

[33:45] is map and document all the HOA parks

[33:49] so that we have access.

[33:51] A number that says, this is how many parks

[33:55] are available to all of our residents,

[33:57] It's not just the ones that are city owned, so that is one caveat that they do want to

[34:01] point out that's really important and maybe consideration for why it's a little bit

[34:06] lower.

[34:07] Yes, but the H always do not have a park impact fee, so you're wondering they can not look

[34:14] in an apples to apples, they're not included in that.

[34:19] Well, they paid it at one point, they paid it at one point, one collected, they go into

[34:23] capital improvement plan for the city but the individual homeowners are the developers build

[34:30] those H.O.A. parks and those those are taking care of through the H.O.A. fees. And then

[34:38] because they provided those parks they probably didn't pay.

[34:44] Each house paid the impact fee,

[34:46] but not for the H but not the H.O.A. because we owe part 20% open space type deal it gets all

[34:52] alluded into what's get built in each neighborhood and it's supposed to be a pocket part for each

[34:57] neighborhood to utilize for their own...

[35:00] cyber hoods, but then they don't entcharge the impact fee on that. They've got charged for the broader impact fees. Then the arrangements have to pay for maintaining the little park inside their community.

[35:13] Yeah.

[35:14] Yeah.gano.

[35:15] It's

[35:15] Oyiansotini. So we're

[35:18] just thankful we move this number in a while. Yeah. That

[35:20] is one

[35:21] thing to consider, is... And we talk

[35:23] about this in the development code is making sure that the park classifications that you're getting that

[35:29] neighborhood is building that part to a similar classification so that you are serving your

[35:35] residence whether it was HAA bill or not. I mean at the end of the day we still want to make

[35:39] sure our residents have parts whether that's through development process or whether we're building

[35:44] that part.

[35:54] Another benchmark we wanted to look at so I mentioned the 21.5 staffing and so we benchmarked

[35:59] this across other communities. We were able to collect information for Codwell and Popatello

[36:04] for this one.

[36:07] How? Yeah. Why do you pick Codwell?

[36:10] Similar to your geographic area, kind of their expanding, they're growing as well,

[36:16] kind of development. But there's still, maybe historically,

[36:21] rural, community, agriculture, they have a lot of areas of that.

[36:26] What's hard for you, though, is because we're already, those divers are skewed.

[36:30] I mean, yeah, within a year, we've already exceeded those divers, so it's hard to keep up.

[36:36] We're trying to, so that five-year analysis might be interesting.

[36:41] Compass head debt.

[36:43] Yeah.

[36:44] Yeah, we're over 40,000.

[36:46] That makes it, and that are what Caldwell is, but yeah, the same question is,

[36:51] Because we look at Napa and called well in Radiant and Boise,

[36:56] kind of, in Guard C such a small pocket of, you know,

[37:01] they have less than five miles square for there,

[37:03] but it's hard to analyze.

[37:05] So those questions are valid, do I think, to see why?

[37:08] Yeah, because they're further away and we have Meridian and Star is growing.

[37:13] Yeah, yeah, and this is important when we talk about staffing

[37:18] as well is, yeah, no city's going to be apples, apples, your eagle, your unique, you provide

[37:26] certain types of amenities, cod-well, already, and they provide certain types of amenities.

[37:32] And so we, we tried to take a look at a number of different analysis and we'll look at

[37:39] staffing per acre and breaking that down by certain types of service. And one thing I will point

[37:45] Now, the FTE, you know, again, you don't have like a recreation center, so that's maybe

[37:54] why it's a little bit different, for example.

[37:57] So, I would say that's definitely why it's different than the national population, it's just

[38:03] right, and we'll actually let me flip to this.

[38:05] So, this is another way to look at comparing to those national acres, is breaking it down

[38:11] by the different type of staff.

[38:14] And so, you know, parks, operations, and maintenance based

[38:18] on those national averages, you would have about 46%

[38:25] of your staff related to operations.

[38:27] And so, you're actually, you know, as far as that,

[38:31] you're actually hired, so that's good.

[38:33] Recreation is lower, but that's because you don't have

[38:35] a recreation center where you don't have as much

[38:38] regression programming, and so that's just another way to consider it.

[38:42] So when we say we need to maybe increase staff or increase funding, we need to look at where,

[38:48] you know, because it is a pretty eatable, we talk about a lot of different services, parks,

[38:53] recreation, events, open space trails.

[38:55] We are looking a lot of different things.

[38:58] And then another way to analyze this is based on how many acres you're managing, and how

[39:03] much, it's cost to manage a more developed park versus a, you know, more passive open space

[39:10] where you might just be maintaining weeds or trail, but you're not mowing, you're not picking

[39:19] up trash, you're not making sure that the facility is, you know, that it's maintained well,

[39:27] and you have restrooms and additional facilities to maintain.

[39:36] And then I think this is, yeah,

[39:37] the impact fee question and so we did look at the percentage of the property tax for those

[39:45] communities as well as the impact fee and like Victor pointed out there are different reasons

[39:50] for that. I will say like Boise does something interesting where they look at where those

[40:00] And so that's a more complicated way to look at it, but it does look at saying, okay, this neighborhood is more deficient, and so it's going to actually charge a more amount instead of having like an even keel.

[40:12] So that there is different methodologies, like Boise's doing that for all these years.

[40:22] But those very, they also vary by home size, so that's another way that other cities do that as well as if you're putting in a single family home versus like a multi-game.

[40:32] What's the parks revenue per capita? What goes into that?

[40:37] Because we're way lower.

[40:39] Yeah, I would, that's kind of why I zoomed over it because it's, um, it's, the way that the, the, the, the, the, the, the budget was broken down.

[40:50] I think this only is looking at like the recreation program.

[40:54] It's only looking at the recreation program and not the overall, like city revenue through like other sources.

[41:00] I think that's why it's so different.

[41:02] because it's only looking at like recreation programming fees.

[41:05] So it's only looking at like one bucket.

[41:09] So let me just call out from the bottom that we're a fifth.

[41:13] So we interesting to find out what metric

[41:15] that is because obviously whoever put this together

[41:17] found it to be important.

[41:19] Is this like rental fees for parks, recreation programming,

[41:23] these for youth leads?

[41:26] Yeah, for recreation programming.

[41:28] Just the recreation programming.

[41:28] Are the other ones just recreation programming

[41:30] or does that include park rent tools, facility rent tools?

[41:33] I would have to dive into like what like Codwell and Pope Patel is actually,

[41:39] and then-

[41:40] Yeah, but I could ask you all that.

[41:41] Yeah, but I could ask you all that.

[41:42] 28, 63, which is-

[41:45] Yeah, let me, let me look more into that I apologize, and I should-

[41:50] I need to just get one clarification here.

[41:52] I keep talking about this before.

[41:55] So if I'm a property owner and I pay property tax.

[42:00] 12% of my dollars go to the city, but 51% of the same person and called well, 51% goes to the city.

[42:13] Our levy rate is so low.

[42:16] But here.

[42:17] I guess I'm trying to understand the difference.

[42:19] You know, levy rate.

[42:21] Well, every tax is a levy.

[42:23] Okay.

[42:23] But the property tax that we receive only 12% goes to us, the city, everything else goes somewhere else, right?

[42:33] Is that because they have first bite at the apple or how does that?

[42:37] I mean, that's why I'm trying to understand why would 51% of Caldwell go to them?

[42:45] They might have a bigger levy, but it's all about, I'm just not about percentages.

[42:48] Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're fundamental way they've broken that up.

[42:53] Um, is, is from their budget not, I mean, I wish Lori would.

[42:57] They sent their budget.

[42:58] Yeah, it's how they sent their budget, but I don't know if there's any.

[43:01] They may not have as many taxing districts.

[43:03] Yeah.

[43:03] Well, that's, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

[43:04] We have 11, if you have, we have a flood zone, but basically we have 10 taxing districts that we put our money towards.

[43:11] Yes.

[43:12] And that, that's an anomaly from some of that you go to,

[43:18] but they're all districts in there.

[43:21] They're within a fire district.

[43:23] Now there's a lot of different

[43:24] they have their own school.

[43:26] It just gets broken up all over the place,

[43:28] but we have more people

[43:30] biting, taking bites out of that apple

[43:32] than a cold well or something.

[43:33] That's what I'm trying to understand.

[43:35] Is that what you're looking at?

[43:36] Yeah, that could be a very

[43:38] hard enough for us to keep ours, right?

[43:40] With it, it's a good question to ask.

[43:43] So we get that information for us as well

[43:46] for surrounding treasure valley and what is it?

[43:49] I mean, the bottom line is that there's a dollar figure,

[43:52] that's why I'm getting that, there's a dollar figure,

[43:55] we get 12%, somebody else has a different dollar figure,

[43:58] but they get 51%.

[43:59] Although, I'll give Meridian for their property tax

[44:02] levier rate is three times as ours.

[44:05] Three times.

[44:06] Well, what is their percent of that?

[44:08] Yeah, and then it's percentage

[44:10] out to where they allocated.

[44:12] Because they have city police, city fire that kind of stuff that they have to analyze their cost.

[44:25] Some of the summaries are moving along.

[44:27] So the questionnaires, the needs assessment did have, you know, made some more information on statewide trends from like the statewide outdoor recreation plan.

[44:38] It has a lot more data broken down, but I wanted to hit those highlights.

[44:42] Now we'll move on to the questionnaires.

[44:43] So, this first questionnaire was our first of three outreach opportunities to get feedback

[44:52] on this planning effort.

[44:54] We got about 206 responses and

[44:57] And...

[45:00] We had this out in June and July. It went out in the news letter. It went out at all the facilities. For example, posters went out to the advisory work group, stakeholders as well.

[45:18] So we asked, are your needs being met? Do you have what you need? And the first couple things that we saw is that maintenance of parks and open space and trails were very well rated, the overall quality, the maintenance, upkeep doing great.

[45:33] park features and amenities kind of fell behind there, and then overall the

[45:40] one, the areas that weren't being met or the indoor recreation,

[45:47] and people,

[45:48] even though we're still building, we have lots of trails, people always want more

[45:51] trails. Let's see that in a lot of other communities as well.

[45:56] Okay, and then yeah

[45:58] then we ask, where do wet residents want more? Again, the trails, we know that you

[46:03] You know, doing great and we are wanting to see more of these types of amenities as well.

[46:12] I think one of these things is that if this validates what we're already hearing,

[46:16] what we've been discussing, why we're kind of doing this plan already, is that we are seeing this being asked

[46:23] and being needed from the community to make it from the community.

[46:30] One thing I would do want to point out, people said that they do use open space and

[46:35] naturally is outside of equal, but they still want to see equal provide open space and

[46:40] naturally.

[46:42] Then

[46:47] we asked about recreation programming, and about 43% of people participated in one

[46:54] to three programs per year, but 35% of people said that they didn't.

[47:00] Why people don't participate in the program but they don't know what's offered or they prefer that self-directed activity

[47:08] and I think that goes along with people wanting and participating in outdoor recreation like trails and open space.

[47:17] So they don't necessarily look to the city for recreation programming and this would change my demographics.

[47:23] people that have maybe used or are looking for more of this

[47:27] regression programming, but maybe people that are like adults

[47:31] are looking just to do trails type activities as well.

[47:42] So then community values, like we asked this in a slightly different way,

[47:46] like okay above all these things we asked you what you need, what needs are met,

[47:50] what are the key values, and again we're still hearing that

[47:55] the pathways, trails for both of exercise and transportation and

[47:59] the importance. The river and water access was the second one and

[48:04] then protecting the water and the wildlife and the natural resources as well.

[48:10] So this does line up with some of those

[48:11] other analysis that we're doing in another way to kind of like

[48:15] just gut check and just to determine where we where we should be focusing

[48:20] as we move into these opportunities as well.

[48:24] Ms. Mayor, I just have a quick question.

[48:26] You had mentioned that this is the first of three surveys that you're going to do.

[48:32] So this open house that's coming up, the purpose of that is to just have more of an expanded

[48:37] conversation about what people are looking for.

[48:40] My question is based on with 206 respondents to this, with our population a little bit more

[48:47] and 40,000, that's like half a percent.

[48:51] So I'm Larry of getting to aggressive on new policy

[48:55] and new direction with such a limited amount of feedback.

[48:59] So my question is, these next subsequent surveys,

[49:03] what's the plan there and the structure

[49:05] as we go out and get more information?

[49:07] Yeah, that's a great question about it.

[49:09] I'm very valued for question.

[49:11] And so we set up the public process

[49:14] to continually gather feedback

[49:16] can have that continuing feedback loop as we go along and then we added to the question

[49:23] there with that needs assessment so we're taking the needs assessment we're hearing

[49:27] we're took what you guys heard instead of the first meeting and we're adding to that and

[49:31] we're continually going back to the community to get more feedback and so they'll have another

[49:35] opportunity to weigh in and provide feedback on the second opportunity.

[49:41] So we'll have to be more of a randomized sampling then rather that this one is more kind

[49:45] convenient sampling with our going out on our website and, you know, our user groups, et cetera.

[49:51] So more, more of a touch out into the broader community so we can really ascertain what the interest and the needs are.

[50:00] We

[50:03] are recommending that, okay, yeah, I know, if you want to pop them up all the time.

[50:14] now, but I, I, I, I, I have to take the same thing to do.

[50:19] It's the same thing to do.

[50:19] It's like a massive alien to take every household to either.

[50:23] And everyone will have a chance to test for all that.

[50:26] Even if you get five.

[50:27] That's a winner.

[50:27] That's a big difference.

[50:28] Sure.

[50:30] Right.

[50:31] And if it's, if it's more of a random, you know, then, then you really get some real valuable feedback.

[50:38] Yeah.

[50:41] Thanks.

[50:41] Thank you.

[50:42] Yeah, we find that those randomized samples are really important when we have a specific

[50:48] question that we are trying to get more of a direction on.

[50:58] So for example, we are recommending that if we do any property decks, the first of all

[51:04] that's going to go to like a holding, and that will be more of that randomized sample.

[51:08] So like before you do anything with that,

[51:10] you would do more specific questionnaires specifically

[51:13] to that question.

[51:14] But you could do a broader, you know,

[51:16] you could incorporate this into a randomized sample.

[51:19] And then you can get the tab books that you get,

[51:22] and then you can break down each specific question.

[51:25] And if you could just go on

[51:26] or a lot more information to kind of.

[51:28] It's a proper great idea, because she has,

[51:31] she hosts those, or Rob, whoever.

[51:34] Whoever gets credit for it on this side of me.

[51:37] Thanks Rob, I'll get Rob because the meetings at H.O.A.s.

[51:42] He has an H.O.A meeting that she holds quarterly now.

[51:47] And maybe there's a startoff point for that meeting to give those out,

[51:52] and then they could take it to their H.O.A.s.

[51:54] and then they could take it to their H.O.A.'s.

[51:57] I think this point, I think I did have a contact list for all of the H.O.A.s.

[52:02] We're working on it.

[52:03] We're working on it.

[52:04] We're working on it.

[52:06] Yeah, more than probably what our 2% is up here.

[52:12] Yeah.

[52:12] Thank you.

[52:13] Thank you.

[52:15] Thank you for that.

[52:20] Thank you.

[52:22] Sort of to follow up.

[52:24] What Councilwoman may said.

[52:26] I think it's.

[52:27] I honestly thought that we'd have a lot more buy-in to the survey.

[52:31] I thought it would be easy to get 1,000 people.

[52:33] It's a little disheartening to see half of 1% have replied to something so easy like there's nothing easier than sitting on your phone or at your computer clicking and I am worried that

[52:45] So few people responded and I do think that outreach is certainly needed, but I don't know how you get people to buy in

[52:52] When it's already something that has been presented to them is was so easy to do so maybe the OHHA is a good idea

[52:59] I think this is something like I know personally I reached out to many many groups and said, hey, just make sure people an eagle are getting this

[53:07] Which brings me to my second point and that is the 200 and

[53:11] Six people that responded

[53:14] We're probably highly motivated to respond so my background is in teaching and we have to do all these criticisms at the end of every semester and the university and the

[53:23] The philosophy is that there are two people two boats of people that respond either people that hate you or the people that love you

[53:29] So, that being said, I think that we should take a pause for a second and realize how absolutely grateful

[53:37] the people, the 266 people are that did respond, really love the way that the parks are being maintained.

[53:42] I think that's a really, really excellent metric.

[53:45] And I think that that need, we need to stop and say, whoa, good job, Eric and company, you guys have done an excellent job with that.

[53:51] They're sure.

[53:52] Yeah.

[53:54] Yeah.

[53:54] That's a good point to make as well.

[53:57] And we see this in a number of communities where sometimes the people are happy, they

[54:04] don't feel like they want to say anything as well.

[54:07] I would also say that it's easier to react to something, so I'm really excited once we get

[54:12] to these opportunities to say, hey, we're going to put new crossings, a new pathway here,

[54:19] and maybe that will get more people excited.

[54:21] to come out too, as well, instead of just asking like,

[54:23] well, generally, what do you want to see?

[54:26] And sometimes it is easier to react to signing.

[54:28] So yeah.

[54:31] So we'll continue to work with staff to get out those notifications.

[54:36] And the comment period will be open for a number of weeks.

[54:42] Oh, yeah.

[54:43] Did I say that a lot?

[54:44] So there's the question that that's.

[54:47] The open house, but then there will be the second questionnaire

[54:51] that will be launching on the day of the open house.

[54:53] and then it will be open through October 4th.

[54:56] When is the open house?

[54:58] September 14th.

[55:02] How are we publicizing the questioner?

[55:05] Yeah, so if we're not in the newsletter today, and then the mayor and I recorded.

[55:14] Laura, can you give it up to you on that?

[55:18] Sure, so generally speaking, this is published in both the monthly e-news letter that goes out,

[55:24] also several times on social media or primary accounts are Facebook, Instagram, ex and next

[55:30] and then Christina was on the mayor minute,

[55:34] which will be published on Friday.

[55:37] And do we know what the engagement rate

[55:40] on those email news letters are from your residents?

[55:42] The email newsletter subscription is somewhere around 4,000.

[55:49] The heaviest hitter is actually the mayor minute,

[55:51] which gets an average of 5,000 views per week.

[55:54] So it's sort of just depends.

[55:57] And we'll see how well the social media posts go.

[56:02] But something we might want to think about broadening.

[56:06] I can tell you, I mean, I'm involved in trying to read,

[56:10] when we get the news letters emailed, but people are busy.

[56:12] They don't read at all.

[56:13] They just browse headlines.

[56:15] I hope that interests me.

[56:17] I'm going to love to see if we can get out to the farmers market.

[56:20] We can get out to events.

[56:21] We can have a booth set up.

[56:23] We can have staff talking about here.

[56:24] We're going through this process.

[56:25] says reach out to the youth leagues.

[56:29] We sent it, have the eagle youth soccer and youth basketball

[56:33] sent out of blast to all the parents.

[56:35] They will read that guarantee they're going to read that

[56:38] much more than anything else.

[56:40] Yep.

[56:41] So we've identified a bunch of stakeholders earlier in the process.

[56:44] And we're not using it.

[56:46] So I think if we need better engagement.

[56:48] And I think this isn't important information now.

[56:50] Not waiting until we say, hey, we have this crosswalk we want to put in.

[56:53] Because they're going to feel what, well, when was this, when did we even have a say in this?

[56:58] So, 200 people without reach of maybe 5000, that looks a lot better than 200 people of 40,000.

[57:06] So, if we can increase, we could get that 1000, 2000 by just reaching out to almost every resident here instead of just a small section of them.

[57:17] So, I'd like to see, and if we're going to have a second questionnaire, let's try to get the data.

[57:22] because without the data, we're all going to sit here and we're going to make guesses as a

[57:27] parks commission and then is the council on what people want. Right now, we're showing water

[57:32] access, there's a whole contingency out there that I can guarantee you go to talk to any

[57:37] youth labor, youth soccer, basketball, baseball. It's going to be a whole lot more than 200 people

[57:43] say we need more parks for that. But they're not given, we're not given in the opportunity to

[57:49] So. And when you get those tap books, it breaks it down. It drills down.

[57:54] So these numbers come back and they interpret them for us with the tap books.

[57:59] You can go in there and do a deep dive.

[58:02] Yeah. I think the H.O.A. is a great idea.

[58:04] Because everyone reads that newsletter.

[58:06] Right? Because it impacts their local, and I think you put a link.

[58:10] And this is really important for the future.

[58:12] So please click this link and take the ten minutes to fill this out.

[58:17] I think that helps to, like hearing from somebody that you know, as well, yeah, and they have a Facebook page too, the H.O.A. has their own separate page.

[58:28] And there's so many are digital too, you know, but it's all digital, yeah.

[58:33] So it's easier.

[58:36] Well, yeah, we'll get those implemented.

[58:44] In the first one, you know, again, based on the samples I think this is the greatest all I would not move forward with any of this without official polling.

[58:52] anything like that, but we did talk, you know, looking at different funding mechanisms and what

[58:56] people would support in there, definitely. More supportive of those impact fees and grants,

[59:02] and then pretty mixed on the, the like the. A lot of those things when we do this is it's easier

[59:10] to get answers when there's a specific recommendation, like we're a property tax for like a specific

[59:19] facility or something and so we would want to do that moving forward if something like

[59:24] this would be moving forward as part of implementation.

[59:29] Okay so yeah summary of what we heard is we did hear you know the need for some more sports

[59:34] field that we did hear that but we want and a lot of the I think a lot of the open-ended responses

[59:40] but the need for more parks to to have those sports field and one of the things that you know

[59:45] who are working on that already the regional athletic park and so that we'll be one of those

[59:50] basis as well and then the connectivity points and maintain it, maintain it, maintain what we have.

[1:00:02] So, we got an hour. So, for the work session discussion, and I printed out a couple copies, but it was in the packet as well. The preliminary opportunities. And again, these are, you know, we took the site visit staff interviews. The first couple meetings that we heard we had with you guys, the needs assessment.

[1:00:26] and then the questionnaire and kind of

[1:00:30] combined a bunch of opportunities into this document

[1:00:36] and these are the preliminary recommendations

[1:00:40] or preliminary opportunities and then

[1:00:42] but they will eventually to think about them as early

[1:00:46] recommendations. But again, we need your input and guidance

[1:00:50] on what we need to carry forward or something we need to refine.

[1:00:53] do we need to add before this goes out to, you know, the broader public?

[1:01:03] I have an after meeting discussion with the A to county.

[1:01:09] What is your director, Park Strecke?

[1:01:12] Park Strecke.

[1:01:13] Yep.

[1:01:14] And we talked about the bike park in the A to county field up there.

[1:01:21] the sports park and all of that stuff there.

[1:01:26] One of the things that we have here on page two is that we're funding partners in

[1:01:32] eight county to transfer management of the entire e-resports complex by part of the city

[1:01:37] of E-O.

[1:01:41] That was, and it's on the maps also to do that in his discussion.

[1:01:46] They're pretty adamant that they're doing a good job with the property that they own

[1:01:50] and they don't have a desire to transfer it to the city of Eagle, so the question would be

[1:01:57] just coming on the backside of this, not being in the front part of any of these discussions

[1:02:01] up to this point, is that if we are working with a partner, whether it's another public partner of private partner,

[1:02:12] and they are doing something for us in the way of parks or trails or whatever it is that if they're doing it,

[1:02:20] I don't think that it's wise for the city vehicle to transfer that ownership, just have the ownership over to it.

[1:02:28] If there's somebody else's taking care of it and doing a really good job, so, you know, I think that that would be a discussion that maybe the council needs to have or then a park skies on this as, you know, is that, is that really something that we want to do is to transfer that management when we are short staff and we don't have the funding or the funding for it.

[1:02:49] And maybe that needs to be eliminated out of our discussion on that.

[1:02:53] So I mean, I just wanted to throw that out there because he was pretty good history less

[1:03:00] than what they'd done up there since 2013-14, and that he called it a confrontal, a little

[1:03:06] dust-up, a ownership of that property up there.

[1:03:10] And what they've done up to date on it.

[1:03:13] So I just, you know, what are your thoughts?

[1:03:15] Well, we were even wondering, you know, how did that idea get

[1:03:18] make it clear here in the first place?

[1:03:20] Because I asked him, there was any ongoing conversation

[1:03:23] between the city and then, as far as doing that,

[1:03:26] he said, there's none.

[1:03:27] We have no reason to want to do that.

[1:03:29] We don't have any idea why this is being proposed in here.

[1:03:32] So I didn't have any, I don't know.

[1:03:34] Maybe Bill, just a discussion on that.

[1:03:37] Or do you understand it on it?

[1:03:40] Mayor of Councilman and Group, yes, I do.

[1:03:43] and I don't think that that was a global conversation that was intended to result in something

[1:03:48] coming up in a public front where it suggested that the city thought that it should

[1:03:53] do that I think there was a discussion during the tour where staff was talking about the

[1:04:00] efficiencies of singular ownership over a big facility but that wasn't necessarily meant

[1:04:06] to parlay into it already to take over the park.

[1:04:08] So I think hopefully that the finish of this conversation

[1:04:11] that just can be removed from a talking point

[1:04:14] and we can move on.

[1:04:16] Just so I understand the new proposed Eagle Park

[1:04:20] sports complex is not then managed by Eagle.

[1:04:24] That way we're saying this is a week.

[1:04:25] So we just applied for it.

[1:04:26] I applied for it.

[1:04:27] I applied for it.

[1:04:28] I applied for it.

[1:04:29] I applied for it.

[1:04:30] I applied for it.

[1:04:32] You're building out the regional athletic park

[1:04:34] is definitely one of the high priorities.

[1:04:36] And so it's going to be in the plan.

[1:04:38] Once we can check that one, hopefully that's an early implementation plan, but we can check that one off.

[1:04:44] So building that out with additional sports fields, fields, pickable courts, other amenities and features that connect to trails.

[1:04:52] But at the end of the day, the point with Doug brought up was the fact that there was confusion sometimes as to what we're referring to in what part.

[1:05:00] Yeah, because it gets convoluted sometimes when we have to specific the state location, maybe, to help out, too, you know, so.

[1:05:10] Yeah, regional impact.

[1:05:13] No, no, no, thank you.

[1:05:14] Yep.

[1:05:16] On just a comment on the maps, you have the Highway 16 called that as an arterial, which, technically, you know, they are.

[1:05:24] But being a state highway would be helpful to have that called out in a different color.

[1:05:29] because that's going to present a whole different set of conflicts and issues.

[1:05:34] So I think if you can just look at that and be readily.

[1:05:37] Do you want to do that with 44 as well?

[1:05:38] Oh, where I've all stayed high.

[1:05:40] I'll stay high.

[1:05:42] I'll stay high.

[1:05:44] And with the user groups, with the equestrian, the pedestrians, the bikes, et cetera,

[1:05:49] we, you know, even though we're thinking kind of in a different direction, we've got to take in motorized vehicles.

[1:05:54] that group when we're planning access there to someone to put that out there and then the other

[1:06:01] point that caught my eye was the access and the pathways along the canals. This came up when I was

[1:06:07] with 80 county highway district and eagles specifically a lot of the land by the canals are

[1:06:14] private belongs to private ownership so there are a lot of easements in place so it's not just a

[1:06:22] and then done you go in and the city can declare we're going to have a pathway here.

[1:06:26] You've got to work with that group too. So it's good to have that on the radar.

[1:06:30] Seems like they've been really cooperative for the last few years.

[1:06:32] They really have, it's kind of turned. Yeah, it's kind of working with them. Yeah.

[1:06:37] But I know I think Steve Noyes is really the one who started really pushing that forward

[1:06:41] and making that happen. Yeah. We've just carried it forward. Yeah.

[1:06:45] They've been doing a lot on the Boise side right. So I think the, yeah, the sentiment has changed.

[1:06:50] But be aware that you're going to have to go through that hurdle as well.

[1:06:55] There's a multiple bullets about working with the water districts and indigenous companies.

[1:07:01] Yeah.

[1:07:02] We shouldn't.

[1:07:04] We also make we make that note on the map to that even though we're showing these future pathways and trails that they were all.

[1:07:09] They're all subject to, you know, laying down her agreements.

[1:07:16] Thank you.

[1:07:17] I appreciate all the work you're doing.

[1:07:19] I noticed students of public or a partnership with someone else with a bike park.

[1:07:26] We've talked about, and I noticed in the recreation that we talk about the school district,

[1:07:31] but only for a pool facility.

[1:07:34] I didn't see anywhere in our inventory that we're taking into account any field space at

[1:07:39] all the schools within the city, and I think we need to engage with the school district

[1:07:44] to inventory that because that's viable recreation space,

[1:07:50] but I think after school space.

[1:07:52] So we use the gyms with basketball,

[1:07:56] and I know that's a challenge for our recreation department,

[1:07:59] at least when my kids were playing in the city,

[1:08:04] is you almost have to get to them first

[1:08:06] because other organizations are all fighting

[1:08:09] for the same gym space.

[1:08:11] But the fields in the backs of the schools.

[1:08:14] So we have the eagle, middle schools, the high schools, whatever it is, there's a lot,

[1:08:19] great, all the great schools, charter schools that they have open grass space that we

[1:08:25] could be utilizing for soccer, baseball, whatever it is.

[1:08:30] But we didn't, I don't think that was part of any of the inventory that we showed.

[1:08:34] It is not part of the inventory, and I think we've agreement with the field spaces and

[1:08:40] access to that, maybe, I don't know, is Brian here, Brian?

[1:08:46] Oh, Brian is there,

[1:08:51] we have the

[1:08:53] agreement with the city for using the field space and sorry, not to say the school district.

[1:09:00] Do we, do we, we don't really use their field space right now and is that a possibility?

[1:09:05] Um, field space, we don't use, we use the indoor space for summer camp and different things for the

[1:09:12] field space is another story because they have some of the schools don't rent it out

[1:09:17] or it's kind of a first come first serve and they do have other agencies and organizations

[1:09:22] that use their field space so we've never been able to use it for things like our software

[1:09:26] leagues or anything else. They're indoors space, yes, outdoors, though.

[1:09:33] Because the outdoor they don't want to let a music or last in mind or what's stopping us from

[1:09:39] jumping in.

[1:09:40] Number one, we don't have an agreement with them and that don't know that they'll do an agreement

[1:09:43] for their outdoor field space.

[1:09:45] They do have other people that do use it,

[1:09:47] but we have never been able to secure it to use it.

[1:09:50] I don't think they'll schedule their fields,

[1:09:52] which is we would have to have actual schedule times,

[1:09:54] and they don't schedule those.

[1:09:57] The only thing we have in the group of fours in North.

[1:09:59] Please, you have a...

[1:10:00] And agreement with Eagle Hills for the little baseball teams that used to play up there in the summer time. And we had an agreement with them at that time.

[1:10:10] That was a long time ago, so I know that the, I think you have to go to the top up to the British school district and see what we can do and something like that because I think they could.

[1:10:21] Hi Charlie.

[1:10:22] Hi guys.

[1:10:22] Sorry to jump in here.

[1:10:24] We've talked with the schools multiple times.

[1:10:26] We brought this up.

[1:10:27] It's a liability issue.

[1:10:28] The schools cannot give out space, outdoor space.

[1:10:31] That's why it's first come for service, open field.

[1:10:33] Anybody got there?

[1:10:34] I think we're going to go into an agreement with the city.

[1:10:36] It's a liability issue.

[1:10:37] Anybody has heard?

[1:10:38] It goes to the school district.

[1:10:39] If you're out there, if you're on the court, you're called.

[1:10:41] So that's where we work with the west data for about 15, 20 years.

[1:10:47] And that's what it's always been.

[1:10:48] So it's first come for service.

[1:10:49] So to put it on in the inventory map, other than just say there are fields out here, you can use

[1:10:54] we run into it as you have that, or at least out of it as far as you move.

[1:10:58] You probably could raise it, thank you so much for sending me back to you, that's your high code.

[1:11:03] I mean, I still think it's worth some more.

[1:11:06] We have limited space, we don't have the money to go by land, to build more, we're going

[1:11:13] to have a tough time even with our regional sparse part to build those fields.

[1:11:16] We've got grass all over the place.

[1:11:19] And because the school district doesn't want to get sued, and there are students who are paying taxes are living in the Eagle that would use those parks.

[1:11:27] This happens in every community around this country where school districts, and we have a former superintendent, I'm sure he will tell you that they probably had youth league's using their fields too.

[1:11:38] And they are. The youth leagues are using it. So Eagle middle school fields are being used by a private soccer club.

[1:11:45] So what's the difference from the city rent in that space out too?

[1:11:49] So I don't understand from the the legality of it, but other private organizations are taking advantage of our taxpayer funded parks schools.

[1:12:02] And we, as a city camp, so I think that, I think it's an opportunity that we need to explore.

[1:12:07] We need to have someone maybe have a deeper conversation, especially if we want to go into a public

[1:12:11] private partnerships on aquatic centers, gymnasium.

[1:12:15] If we're going to run in problems, we're going to help with something like that, is a future potential.

[1:12:19] But we can't use the grass field.

[1:12:23] I think that we, I don't think we should take no further answer, I think we need to sit down

[1:12:27] with the school district and pressure that.

[1:12:30] I mean, we have a parks, we have needs, we're trying to put the plan together, that has to be part of the plan in my opinion.

[1:12:37] So, I mean, I know this about my pay grade here, but I think it's an asset in our community that we have that we're not utilizing.

[1:12:47] I think it's what example in the one that people were really confused on it was the fireworks at the high school.

[1:12:53] because our insurance and their insurance,

[1:12:56] they were requiring us basically to put a policy together

[1:13:00] that would basically, if we had to cover the whole school

[1:13:04] if it burned down.

[1:13:05] So I think there's something within the insurance policies

[1:13:08] that we could at least investigate on that

[1:13:11] and their policies, because they're not lying together.

[1:13:14] But if you use that as a launching pad for

[1:13:19] can we use your facilities of why or why not,

[1:13:21] at least would get their answers,

[1:13:23] horrors, with their insurances.

[1:13:25] Because we're using the gymnasiums.

[1:13:28] The eagle, they'll get hurt more than gymnasium in the grass.

[1:13:32] We're already inside the building.

[1:13:33] So eagle, wreck, is using the gym.

[1:13:35] So I don't know why they have to have to have a process

[1:13:38] because if they're allowing you to use the gyms,

[1:13:41] they have the same thing for the field.

[1:13:44] Yeah.

[1:13:45] You bring in, you use our grim in,

[1:13:46] you bring proof of insurance, and it's got to be there.

[1:13:51] I can't imagine a district not having that.

[1:13:54] Well, it's an easy phone call, a dark and I can talk, and we can find out what provisions

[1:13:59] are there.

[1:14:00] So.

[1:14:01] Mr. Mayor, just to reinforce, I agree with what Commissioner Faustina is saying, I feel

[1:14:09] like this needs to be absolutely, we're not accepting no one just moving on further deeper

[1:14:14] conversation.

[1:14:15] One question I do have is, are there more than one, is there more than one school

[1:14:20] district in the city of Eagle, or is it just West

[1:14:23] Aida?

[1:14:24] So, the West charter school is the only private schools,

[1:14:27] charter schools, West Aida, and then some kids go

[1:14:30] to Boise school district.

[1:14:34] Well, it seems to me like school districts and representatives

[1:14:40] who are on the school board really listen to their parents

[1:14:43] and get elected by listening to their parents and the lack

[1:14:48] of being able to do recreative activities in the city is a huge concern, so perhaps that's another avenue to explore.

[1:14:55] Well, I like the topics.

[1:14:56] Thank you.

[1:14:57] Thank you.

[1:15:03] I think we should, right, is we're looking at field space. I mean, at least it gives us a pivot. If we identify that we need

[1:15:12] X number of football soccer, whatever fields. And we said, well, we can't build it, but yet we can pivot and maybe maybe it's an agreement. I know in the city that I was involved in, in another state.

[1:15:25] And I won't name, we took over the city help partnership with the school district to do field maintenance.

[1:15:32] Because the school district was not maintaining the field up to a standard.

[1:15:36] So the city said in return to use these fields for our youth league, we're going to maintain the field space for you in the back of the school.

[1:15:44] And that was, so there are, these are types of agreements that we could put.

[1:15:48] And I'm not saying that that's the, that's the golden goose, but it is field space within it.

[1:15:55] The other one I said is the HOA fields.

[1:15:58] There's huge spaces in legacy in these other areas that

[1:16:03] direct departments as we cap out with soccer, right?

[1:16:07] We limit the ages.

[1:16:09] There's a need.

[1:16:10] Other than that, these parents are being forced to go

[1:16:12] to private clubs at multiple thousands of dollars a year,

[1:16:16] because we don't have the ability to move up.

[1:16:20] Well, the field space is the issue with that.

[1:16:22] I think it's a big issue.

[1:16:23] We have legacy in others.

[1:16:26] We don't need 10 fields all in one spot.

[1:16:29] We could use multiple different parks.

[1:16:32] So you does an HOA have a large enough field

[1:16:35] that we could use for recreation programs

[1:16:38] or camps or things of that nature.

[1:16:41] So school district HOAs, I think it's stakeholders

[1:16:44] within the city, how can we bring people together

[1:16:46] to address this?

[1:16:49] Because I just don't think we're going to pass a levy

[1:16:52] in the residents to say we want the funding so we could build two more sports parks.

[1:16:58] I'd like that idea. The question that comes is if we include those in our inventory, does that increase or decrease our deficiencies for our impact fees?

[1:17:11] I don't think it includes.

[1:17:13] I would just like to check it down.

[1:17:18] other facilities, right? So, here's our inventory, here's some other potential

[1:17:24] facilities and keep it out of the, you know, because again, if we need to go for

[1:17:28] impact fees, we don't want, oh well you actually have all this here too, right?

[1:17:33] So, and we incorporate it to our view park yet in our inventory, this is not the

[1:17:43] right like that. So I'll make sure that's that's the most recent one we're coming up with.

[1:17:48] Would it not the chair of what it's guaranteed? Yeah, they have 34 acres.

[1:17:52] There are 24 acres that we could ask them. They already said the public could kind of walk through

[1:17:57] there and everything, you know, and they're going to do something. But that's one of those things that

[1:18:03] there's if there's a will there's a way type deal. So we just need to ask the questions, but they're not

[1:18:09] You know, they're either built with that yet, but they're developing the neighborhood so we can.

[1:18:16] So now's the time to have that.

[1:18:17] Yeah, we can have that conversation.

[1:18:19] You know, the interesting part of that, as far as, you know, the challenge to be, you've got folks living there who are paying each of a fees to have access to their facilities.

[1:18:29] And then suddenly, you know, certain number of hours a week, they don't have access to those.

[1:18:33] And so you'd have to probably get them on board with some kind of vote.

[1:18:36] What's one of that?

[1:18:37] For turnta, they brought up that to us, we specifically asked, is this going to be a private

[1:18:44] HOA park and they said, no, the public has right to use it.

[1:18:47] I don't know how to review the tape again, but some more back in that conversation was done,

[1:18:54] but that doesn't mean it's a all the way across the board with all HOA's.

[1:18:58] That's kind of a vehicle terminology that covers the area.

[1:19:01] You're going to have to like, they're available to the public, but scheduling them and

[1:19:05] and the wear and tear from the project.

[1:19:08] Like that normally comes with like a maintenance of green men

[1:19:10] or something.

[1:19:11] But we can look into that first.

[1:19:13] And every time we say something about maintenance,

[1:19:15] just remember the air, so we're pulling this hair out

[1:19:17] because he doesn't have a staffing to do it to do it together, right now.

[1:19:21] But yeah.

[1:19:23] Yeah, speaking of maintenance.

[1:19:24] So that first one up there we wanted to touch on was

[1:19:27] yeah, maintaining that level of service at the 3.3.

[1:19:34] My process.

[1:19:37] That's the current, current opportunity is to think about me, just maintain

[1:19:41] creasing out in that, but do you want to look at increasing it?

[1:19:46] What about, you know, if you've been not to start a hunter park out there, do that great being

[1:19:51] park, that's right on the edge of the subdivision, that's what I've been through into, and it's

[1:19:54] used all the time for sports, it's got to park, parking, and it's got to support sports.

[1:20:00] Senate has got the snack shack. The whole thing is, and it's so used by the public, so I'm thinking, there are some opportunities that we can peek at.

[1:20:10] I just, just a comment on all of this. I've done two tours of every park in the city in the last month, and I went this week and two eyes over at Gerber Park.

[1:20:21] That place was packed.

[1:20:24] It was every lunch y'all there was full.

[1:20:27] People were kids from the splash pad.

[1:20:30] Soccer fields were full.

[1:20:32] It was exciting to see that they were using.

[1:20:34] That's a beautiful park and well-maintained.

[1:20:37] It's well-used.

[1:20:37] Yeah, well-used.

[1:20:39] Yeah, well-used.

[1:20:41] I'm going to the heart of that.

[1:20:43] All right.

[1:20:45] Let us go up now.

[1:20:46] One,

[1:20:49] we went over, there's kind of like greenish blob, here is looking at, they know there are

[1:20:57] HOA facilities in there but could we put another community park somewhere in there, that could

[1:21:01] be programmable with small fields and stuff. So it's basically like lender road to the west.

[1:21:11] You're going to have to have a review, which is right here, but that area is kind of like

[1:21:17] boxed in without like a bigger community park that has some of those like bigger.

[1:21:22] That's interesting.

[1:21:24] That's pretty awesome.

[1:21:25] That's pretty awesome.

[1:21:26] That's pretty awesome.

[1:21:27] It's all taken right there.

[1:21:28] The only thing I don't know about in our bill or brick for that matter is if what's available

[1:21:35] in the county adjacent to us if they'd be wanting to look into

[1:21:41] annexating annexation or something.

[1:21:43] I mean...

[1:21:43] Yeah, we were kind of like, what about this area?

[1:21:45] That's in the county.

[1:21:48] They were kind of like strapped for space.

[1:21:51] Believe it or not.

[1:21:53] The terror of you, part, is that I haven't seen that one.

[1:21:56] Is that north of Beacon Light?

[1:21:58] All right.

[1:21:59] Yeah.

[1:22:00] If you run straight up Palmer, go over Beacon Light.

[1:22:03] you'll run and you'll be in it.

[1:22:05] But it's not completed.

[1:22:07] It's pretty close.

[1:22:08] Eric, I'll close next spring.

[1:22:25] Yeah, I think I'm always like to use it for this day out

[1:22:28] because people call you on it.

[1:22:30] You said five o'clock.

[1:22:32] Yeah, that's like five o'clock.

[1:22:34] Sorry.

[1:22:37] You guys already brought up some ones.

[1:22:39] So feel free to bring up things that you pointed out.

[1:22:42] I'll highlight a few, but yeah, the pathways.

[1:22:46] So we want to update the system map and so looking at future pathways, there's a number of lines on here.

[1:22:54] We don't have time to go through every single line.

[1:22:56] But we do want to add some additional lines on this map so that, you know, as development comes in,

[1:23:03] we want to ensure that connectivity, especially between sort of like older city and then the foot hills.

[1:23:10] I'm making sure that we have lines there, and so a lot of those pathways would be, yeah,

[1:23:17] they would be on there on that map for the future vision as development comes in.

[1:23:24] With that, you know, working with ACHD and ITT, working with the irrigation district,

[1:23:33] which companies like we have mentioned and to ensure that connectivity.

[1:23:37] And this is the time you want to do that.

[1:23:39] You want to get in there and get all that connectivity established before then the development of it.

[1:23:45] Yeah.

[1:23:45] Right.

[1:23:47] Yeah.

[1:23:49] It did that for a while.

[1:23:50] Opportunities missed decades ago.

[1:23:52] Yeah.

[1:23:53] Yeah.

[1:23:54] A lot of them.

[1:23:56] So in this opportunity, this whole thing that did this come from part of the last meetings that we had with.

[1:24:05] Yeah, it's a combination of all the information that we've collected in the beginning of the project.

[1:24:13] So this is the opportunity to kind of say, like, oh, this is missing, or we need to refine that,

[1:24:19] or we need to make sure that's in there, so that we can continue to evaluate that and take it forward.

[1:24:27] So, what an interesting tidbit we heard in the earlier meetings that when the ACHD

[1:24:33] Widen's lender, as it goes from 44 up toward Chinden, that they already have in their plans.

[1:24:42] They want to try to build an underpass underlender.

[1:24:46] So, you know, there was a lot of concern about whether there was anybody

[1:24:49] ability really to get from the U.S. State Park to lender and then from lender under

[1:24:55] where we can hit the parking lot that the city is already built there on the pathway that

[1:24:59] comes off it.

[1:25:00] And they said that is in their plans. So I don't know how long it's going to take them, but the fact that it's there is a huge plus. And it also gives us more reason to be pushing for that pathway through the park, coming up the other end eventually getting landed.

[1:25:14] Governor···1 to the call

[1:25:16] really good right

[1:25:16] And that's where we're really good at bas

[1:25:18] for some kind of federal aid

[1:25:20] in the grants because the city does not have money

[1:25:22] to do underpass right now.

[1:25:25] Well, they say, they see, excuse me,

[1:25:27] they tell you about doing it so I don't I mean to no.

[1:25:29] Well, they were, i think you're looking for atee,

[1:25:31] we should cover them here around here for atee?

[1:25:32] Yeah they are explaining, building registers.

[1:25:37] Thank you, that's what we're talking about doing it

[1:25:41] .

[1:25:41] We also get there's a number of connections, we have a lender connection, a connection at 44 and

[1:25:49] Eagle Road, beacon light and I was five and then the entrance to Eagle, improving pedestrian

[1:25:57] and bicycle access for safety, crossing some of those major roads into our major recreation.

[1:26:04] Did you get information from ITD or, remember those, those are some renderings of overpasses

[1:26:10] that people came up with in the end or passed

[1:26:13] with the cost.

[1:26:14] It is some cost analysis plus location.

[1:26:18] Mainly it was edgewood and 44,

[1:26:20] so what they were looking at for a point,

[1:26:22] but did we incorporate me that in our notes or anything?

[1:26:26] Yes, that is

[1:26:34] the...

[1:26:34] Yeah, it would be used to it.

[1:26:35] It'd be used to it.

[1:26:36] Okay, yeah, that's actually shown on the map.

[1:26:41] It's used to it all the time.

[1:26:42] Well, if you've got a doctor in it,

[1:26:44] that's good.

[1:26:44] That's good.

[1:26:46] Yeah, yeah.

[1:26:47] Yeah, they evaluated both an underpass and an overpass.

[1:26:51] Their underpass was like, that's going to be, yeah.

[1:26:53] So we do have that noted in here and shown on the map.

[1:27:01] And another ITD related issue that came up last evening was also the fact that we have literally

[1:27:06] no pedestrian access to Ego Island State Park.

[1:27:10] I mean, isn't that crazy?

[1:27:11] We think about it.

[1:27:11] It's the largest park by far, you can't walk into it, because there's no crosswalk to get

[1:27:17] cross 44 and once you get across, there's no sidewalk until you get to the bridge within

[1:27:22] the park. So the discussion was that ITD would be responsible for putting in that crosswalk,

[1:27:29] but they didn't want to pay for it. So I don't know if that we need to revive a discussion

[1:27:32] with them about essentially putting it across walk, improving the signalization so you can

[1:27:39] account for people walking across it, then having the state begin because it would be the

[1:27:43] after that, putting in enough sidewalk to get to the bridge so that you could have a safe pedestrian

[1:27:49] in access to the park. We've been working on that one for way before me, but I mean, it's been

[1:27:56] been there for a while and every time there's a, there's some kind of blockade we start talking

[1:28:02] about a simple crosswalk across. Well, they don't want to pay for it. So the question is, I think

[1:28:06] we also would pay for it though. I mean, it's a crosswalk is different. My thing is never seen

[1:28:12] especially after the signal goes in at Palmer in 44.

[1:28:17] I think we've got an opportunity there to justify safety from Eagle Road to 16 at that point.

[1:28:28] Safety.

[1:28:30] And even the ACHG gets all the calls for the one in them to do at the after transfer

[1:28:36] over this ITD so she said they got tons. I said can we get a hold of the number of calls that you've got when they came in and we'll take those

[1:28:44] get a committee to go to ITD board and stand in the room. Funding has always been the strategic initiatives that

[1:28:51] whole program was. I watched a chance I'd like to hear so that it calls. The lender, I mean that if I go to 10

[1:28:58] miles across you. There are things ever we need to do this kind of thing to make it happen.

[1:29:03] Yeah.

[1:29:04] Put on a map, put it on a plan, speak out loud a little bit.

[1:29:07] Well, I mean, there has to be conversation at the highest levels.

[1:29:10] You guys, between, you know, wherever it is, make things happen in ITD.

[1:29:16] Well, they've, like I said, the underpass, they think it's great, but they want us to pay for it.

[1:29:19] No, yeah.

[1:29:20] I mean, that's just, that's ACHD.

[1:29:22] And I'm telling you.

[1:29:23] I'm telling you.

[1:29:25] They've had a good conversation with some of their people.

[1:29:31] We could just keep asking.

[1:29:32] I mean...

[1:29:33] Just keep it on our mind!

[1:29:34] Yeah, just keep it on the elevator!

[1:29:35] Push it out there, push it out there.

[1:29:36] There's a board member, sign for you.

[1:29:38] There's that as you go too.

[1:29:40] Just kind of find a picture.

[1:29:41] There are people standing there waiting for it.

[1:29:45] We definitely might have a problem there.

[1:29:47] A few others that I wanted to get you input on.

[1:29:49] So under the Open Space category, updating the...

[1:29:54] The conceptual master plan for the Shooting Sports Park with the...

[1:30:00] You know, development going in, and the foothills looking at this area to maybe provide more diverse recreation experiences like hiking, equestrian trails, such as things, looking at that as an overall concept plan.

[1:30:16] And if you spoke with Elena, recently our historical preservation, yeah, so she's really, she's going to start coming to a lot of your guys, you know, help with some of the documentation stuff she's working on, but I've got her working on the whole hill on a lot of historical stuff and opportunities for

[1:30:37] Yeah, like a second to last bullet around the Oregon National Historic Trail, good old cut off,

[1:30:43] some really, you know, nationally snipped in historical resources to go through the

[1:30:50] business.

[1:30:52] Yeah, I think we need to hear more about what the study has.

[1:30:56] More areas in the foothills, working with the BLM to complete the application for the

[1:31:07] 1,800 piece parcel that a recreation plan had been developed a couple of years ago, so continuing to

[1:31:14] coordinate with that and then figuring out what amenities, what trails, what maintenance looks like,

[1:31:21] operations looks like up there.

[1:31:22] You may want to ask these folks where they're at with that, because that's happening right now.

[1:31:26] Things are happening.

[1:31:29] So if you guys do know for what you put in the plan, it'd be good to know what the status of that is.

[1:31:34] whether it's Charlie or whoever wants to get it, whoever, I don't, we're all in the

[1:31:44] room together.

[1:31:45] Update on our PP.

[1:31:48] Yeah, our PP.

[1:31:51] Our concern.

[1:31:52] Our concern.

[1:31:55] Our concern.

[1:31:56] Our concern.

[1:32:02] Our concern.

[1:32:03] near the end of September and then we'll be bringing that to an internal coordination meeting

[1:32:09] going over your year-long process approximately and then we'll do a public presentation to

[1:32:14] the council probably in the middle meeting of October and then hit the ground running from there

[1:32:19] but that's just a really short update on the start of the process.

[1:32:25] Another one you can put in the

[1:32:26] plan and check it off, right? One thing we did talk about at the advisory work group is creating

[1:32:34] And it's not on this list, but like a partnership, so that, you know, when you're planning for that BLM parcel and don't know of us planning and the BLM, the existing BLM plan, other land and there's a kind of a partnership between trails and so you're not just planning those properties specifically, it kind of came from like a river to trails kind of concept that there's multiple different partners, you might work with like IDL who has land up there as well and things like that so there's like a partnership.

[1:33:04] And you're not, you know, you're looking at the trails regionally and then how is that connect even farther into the

[1:33:13] question you can each of them

[1:33:13] What about the citywide tribal?

[1:33:17] What about the acknowledgement?

[1:33:19] Yeah, what that's about.

[1:33:21] Yeah, so that actually came from Alena as well, mentioning that there's with the historical National Historic Trail, we're looking at a lot of different types of cultural resources.

[1:33:33] and so there's traditional land tribal lands within this area and so looking at how the city

[1:33:42] has interacted and continue to acknowledge that this is the ancestral home lands of a number of

[1:33:49] of tribes and continue to share their history as well. We'll be getting details with them

[1:33:57] with some of their tribal chiefs here pretty easily.

[1:34:01] Oh, and as you know that's great.

[1:34:03] Yeah, that together.

[1:34:07] Yeah.

[1:34:07] Which one did the guy?

[1:34:12] Yeah.

[1:34:12] That's true.

[1:34:15] Yeah.

[1:34:16] That's a valid contract.

[1:34:17] That's true.

[1:34:19] That's true.

[1:34:20] That's true.

[1:34:23] That's true.

[1:34:24] Yeah.

[1:34:24] That's true.

[1:34:28] That's true.

[1:34:29] That's true.

[1:34:30] That's true.

[1:34:31] whether river improvements, access points, maybe potential revenue, generation of a river float

[1:34:37] in making that improving it for safety, but also potential like rentals as well.

[1:34:42] So if we can't move out that, we'd have to work with a number of partners on that.

[1:34:47] Game and fish brought up at the Vesra group meeting, just making sure we consider wildlife habitat

[1:34:52] and fish habitat as part of that process. So the more natural areas of the river are involved.

[1:35:15] I think we're going to get a report, though, on the river, on the Green Belt. There's two sections that either need to repair or complete it.

[1:35:29] The one by pig latin that I think it looked like it had been washed out, and then there's a whole area dirt area

[1:35:37] In a undeveloped area

[1:35:40] It would be

[1:35:42] Would be east of that's a rebel I think.

[1:35:44] Just getting your hunter homes were they're good to film.

[1:35:46] That's what I did.

[1:35:47] And I just didn't know what was going on with that.

[1:35:49] Did they develop that?

[1:35:51] They're going to be working on that.

[1:35:53] Do we have a details on

[1:35:58] Farmstead?

[1:35:58] No, it's the farmstead.

[1:36:04] I

[1:36:08] don't know if there's any true up to each other if there's not anything.

[1:36:12] But it's not to have to be right now, but it is.

[1:36:15] Yeah, it's on there.

[1:36:17] You look down.

[1:36:18] Okay.

[1:36:18] I think to tell you the other question is on the west side of the bridge.

[1:36:22] Right.

[1:36:22] I think it's the road.

[1:36:23] It's always been sort of confusing about whether the city had the easement

[1:36:26] and the charge of the maintenance or whether the folks who built that.

[1:36:31] there's still any answer for some of those questions

[1:36:33] on that part.

[1:36:34] Still have the maintenance because that part

[1:36:36] has been unapproved for quite a long time.

[1:36:38] Yeah, people are asking for a walk out.

[1:36:41] There's some things that they're asking for.

[1:36:42] It's like we also sort of kind of comment on both areas.

[1:36:46] So down by the pedestrian bridge, it's back behind

[1:36:49] Big Latin there that we are on the hook for maintenance

[1:36:52] and that there are most of that was improved.

[1:36:54] North channel there was improved with

[1:36:57] Dennis Baker and all that and that was all said.

[1:37:00] And that improvement to pay that is in the missed capital plan, I guess far as in the improvement

[1:37:07] there, and it's on the list for improvement.

[1:37:10] The other person that you're talking about that's back behind Merrill, that's part of a development

[1:37:16] with Hunter Holmes there.

[1:37:17] I believe that when that does get developed, it is in that to pay that and connect that

[1:37:22] vendor ship it there.

[1:37:24] So hopefully that clear the confusion.

[1:37:30] The next session around recreation, some of the key highlights here are, you know, to expand

[1:37:39] recreation we need indoor space, you know, in addition to the outdoor space. So one opportunity is

[1:37:46] to look at a feasibility study to complete a small, a small recreation center. So this, if I

[1:37:54] like your full service like weeds and gyms, but it would have rentable space, it would have

[1:37:59] the gym space, maybe have like kitchen in it, and some small recreation offices for like

[1:38:05] a drop-in or not drop-in, but more of the schedule for a running.

[1:38:10] Is that what you indicated on their across from Eagle Elementary in that space?

[1:38:15] So there, yeah, and we might take that out, Phil, I think the consider the landing as an interim

[1:38:20] space for that is that yeah yeah that's probably yeah it was

[1:38:27] years ago they had a place called the landing it was like a small poison

[1:38:32] girls type club and we would have to look for a different location that was

[1:38:37] one thing you know like because it was used in the past as well as a possible

[1:38:41] for like an interim space maybe but for a long-term space we'd have to look at

[1:38:45] Yeah, but I don't even know if an interim space, what's the, what's the place on the ranch?

[1:38:53] The Innovate campus?

[1:38:55] That's kind of right there.

[1:38:56] Yeah.

[1:38:56] The Innovate, they're, they're not there.

[1:38:59] They move.

[1:39:00] They open it.

[1:39:01] They own it.

[1:39:02] Yeah.

[1:39:03] They don't want to, they don't want to do anything right now.

[1:39:05] They just like to hang there.

[1:39:07] Yeah.

[1:39:08] Yeah.

[1:39:08] So, things to change.

[1:39:10] But because I was going to create a possible,

[1:39:12] And about some recreation, down town right there.

[1:39:14] Elementary, Eagle Elementary School.

[1:39:16] There was a time they were going to take the whole campus up on the top and have that lower

[1:39:23] gym part.

[1:39:25] We made it look at that and see where, because I haven't got it up for it.

[1:39:28] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:39:29] Either side of the street there.

[1:39:30] Yeah, right.

[1:39:31] When you couldn't get it better location.

[1:39:33] Yeah, good thing.

[1:39:34] Look, keep the general area.

[1:39:36] Yeah.

[1:39:37] Yeah.

[1:39:37] This is school has parking.

[1:39:39] Yeah, this is the district.

[1:39:40] Yeah, this is the district.

[1:39:46] Yeah, so I mentioned the cost recovery plan, this would like to set goals to assess

[1:39:52] the records.

[1:39:53] To set goals for assessing recreation, programming fees, there's some recommendations

[1:39:59] that you know.

[1:40:00] For things like programs, you're just trying to cover the cost of the facility or supplies, but then for events events that are specific to birthday parties or something like you're renting it, then you should be looking at charging more for those because you're uncovering additional costs.

[1:40:18] But setting that policy so it's not like here.

[1:40:23] If you understand what you're learning this.

[1:40:31] This is included funding.

[1:40:33] There is another section.

[1:40:35] We're almost there.

[1:40:38] We're going to do operations first and so operations.

[1:40:43] Quickly, just making sure we have maintenance standards.

[1:40:48] Looking at contracting outmoving.

[1:40:49] knowing some of these like less specialized things that could be cheaper, you know, landscaping

[1:40:55] companies can do them while city staff can work on actually maintaining playgrounds and doing

[1:41:02] the more certified license activities is one way to think about that.

[1:41:08] Adopt an asset management tracking system making sure that we have a schedule for life cycle

[1:41:14] maintenance. And so, you know, typical playground, for example, is, you know, it's going to need

[1:41:19] to repair it in 10 years. So, just making sure that we're accounting for that.

[1:41:26] There's a little bit of big ones.

[1:41:32] There we can. So, yeah, implementation includes a couple

[1:41:36] different things. So, like I mentioned, especially with, like, the pathways, for example, we can

[1:41:39] implement these through a number of ways. So, the development code, we're looking at making

[1:41:44] sure that through the development code, they're incorporating the pathways as shown on the pathways

[1:41:50] plan, and they're building parks and recreation amenities to the standards, so even if they

[1:41:57] are being built through the HOA, they're still, you know, what we want to see in our community.

[1:42:04] Impact fees, and so this one, yeah, what we would do is like through a different study,

[1:42:11] because it's a very specific study.

[1:42:14] I'll put this, I'll put the victors name next to this one,

[1:42:17] but this is continually updated and revised,

[1:42:21] but we know, you know, land prices are changing,

[1:42:22] the cost of development.

[1:42:24] So the other thing that takes into consideration is

[1:42:26] like the actual amenities that go into a park,

[1:42:29] what those are costs, and so.

[1:42:31] And then also updating it with the current level of service.

[1:42:34] So if we update the current level of service,

[1:42:36] you would want to update your impact fee study.

[1:42:38] So that would be something that happens during implementation.

[1:42:44] And then funding.

[1:42:46] So yeah, we have a number of items around funding talking about, you know, that cost recovery program.

[1:42:56] And so that's one way to generate additional revenue is making sure that you have that policy for that cost recovery so that you can, you know, look at all of your different

[1:43:06] your fees, so that could be vendors, events, obviously the program's and the

[1:43:12] facilities, so that would take a more comprehensive plan. It would look at every single

[1:43:18] program, for example, like, what do we charging or what do we want to do for

[1:43:21] soccer or what do we want to do for events, so it would take a look at every single

[1:43:25] thing that you're offering and to have for grants, continue to apply for grants,

[1:43:35] some communities that we work in have like a citywide sort of grant manager so that you

[1:43:41] have someone that can write those and manage those so that's something to consider or

[1:43:47] you can always contract out that grant writing. It does take time and you're talking about like

[1:43:52] you know even for the federal maybe getting federal funding for the underpass for Linda for

[1:43:58] example, making sure that you're meeting the correct requirements for that.

[1:44:04] The property tax, that would be your main tax for long-term maintenance and management.

[1:44:13] And so there are ways to look at a more specific question.

[1:44:21] Like I said, depending on what the implementation priorities are, we could look at recommending

[1:44:29] to do a valid discussion on a specific item.

[1:44:33] We wouldn't actually do that as part of this process.

[1:44:36] But looking at your top five implementation, would you want to consider something just for

[1:44:42] a specific facility, or would you want to consider overall

[1:44:48] overall maintenance and operations as well.

[1:44:53] So that would look at, it would go out and do some of that polling.

[1:44:57] It would actually look at what that program would fund.

[1:45:00] So look at that conversation.

[1:45:02] Do you think our maintenance fee is adequate for our three cents on dollar, whatever it is?

[1:45:10] Now, with our capital project, we have a maintenance approach. We started that six years ago,

[1:45:16] seven, six and a half years ago. Have you looked at that?

[1:45:19] Oh, I don't think I looked at that maintenance E.

[1:45:23] Yeah, for a capital we started that.

[1:45:26] Well, I want to say six that.

[1:45:30] It's 2020, I think we started it.

[1:45:33] We can look at that.

[1:45:34] You had to see if that's valid, or is it that equivalent or not?

[1:45:44] And then I think the final.

[1:45:46] The final one.

[1:45:47] Yeah, through implementing.

[1:45:47] Can you go back to one?

[1:45:49] Is that a real quick question?

[1:45:51] I've seen this naming right.

[1:45:52] It's a couple of times listed in the stuff.

[1:45:54] Is there anything that where we have anything with naming rights like any part field?

[1:46:06] Quite a few things

[1:46:10] Yes, yes, yes, you see you have a few things coming up, but I was just about it and put their name on something

[1:46:15] Yeah, I was just thinking about like the

[1:46:18] Pickleball courts are going in getting self-curc to come in and

[1:46:25] Anyway, I just think a lot of these.

[1:46:27] Yeah, that's right.

[1:46:29] That's what I thought I saw that.

[1:46:30] It's a boarding team.

[1:46:31] It's not allowed advertising under jerseys.

[1:46:34] Now everybody's plastered with it.

[1:46:35] It's a really reasonable.

[1:46:38] That's great.

[1:46:39] That's great.

[1:46:40] Yeah.

[1:46:40] That's great.

[1:46:42] Another

[1:46:46] one.

[1:46:48] Yeah.

[1:46:48] The final one.

[1:46:49] Through implementation is as you increase, you know,

[1:46:51] if you have an indoor facility as the regional park comes online.

[1:46:54] You want to maintain that part, the staffing.

[1:46:57] So, as we, as we bring things online, so that we have that same FTE per per acre's managed.

[1:47:06] And then, looking at, you know, maybe a volunteer position to coordinate some additional volunteer efforts,

[1:47:12] and to clean up some of our parts,

[1:47:16] and that's sort of bigger.

[1:47:20] And then, yeah, as you grow, you know, I think the point of this is, as you grow,

[1:47:24] continue to evaluate how we're providing services and making sure that we're maintaining

[1:47:28] that level of service in the state.

[1:47:30] Do we as part of any of the staffing taking the consideration, and I know, like the police

[1:47:37] department is pretty stretched out, right? So, I mean, we have an issue of Gerber, I think,

[1:47:42] with up-leash dogs is all the time over there. But we can expect the share of the department

[1:47:50] to be sending people just to control parks.

[1:47:52] Are we considering on any of this the impact to that if we have more parks

[1:47:57] space if we have more parks spread out, how we're going to patrol things, make sure

[1:48:03] that the parks are staying clean, other than our maintenance department does a lot of that

[1:48:07] because they're there, but that's a big asset of them to do that on top of everything else

[1:48:12] they have to do.

[1:48:13] Park security, guys.

[1:48:15] Yeah, so even if we look to do like a volunteer patrol unit where you get

[1:48:20] of them, you give them an eagle police squad car that we can buy for cheap. They're not police officers,

[1:48:27] but they are volunteer patrol that they go to parks throughout the area.

[1:48:31] We do have the Sheriff's Park, but it does have volunteers.

[1:48:35] Okay. They're mainly on the green belt right now, but the implementation of that.

[1:48:40] And I know that AFAMOR has their own volunteer security as well.

[1:48:44] First, kind of a fruit response person.

[1:48:46] But yes, those are that program, well, it's going to take a volunteer push for auxiliary

[1:48:52] type.

[1:48:53] But it can, it exists in some pockets.

[1:48:56] So enhancing that is a model that we can expand on and then just use other people's contracts

[1:49:03] and their SLPs or whatever how it works to make that happen.

[1:49:08] And it's a great program.

[1:49:09] I mean, and he's fantastic, a lot of cities that used it.

[1:49:13] And most people, like I said, Pleasant in where I was,

[1:49:17] we had, we go through the parks, and they were in

[1:49:19] squad cars, they were volunteers, but just the side of it,

[1:49:23] people, and hey, dogs got unleashed is very quick.

[1:49:26] And we have community service, people, right now,

[1:49:28] from the Sheriff's Department, and our code enforcement.

[1:49:31] OK.

[1:49:31] They don't have a vehicle with that.

[1:49:34] But they come on service.

[1:49:35] Trust certainly.

[1:49:36] Yeah, exactly.

[1:49:37] Something that we can, so just something I'd like to see

[1:49:39] we put in there that because I think we keep asking our maintenance to do more and more of these items

[1:49:47] that as we're putting this planning and I'd love to see us build out actual strategy on that.

[1:49:53] Yeah, I don't think you're at the point of meeting like a range or like park range or program or anything like that.

[1:50:00] We can implement that.

[1:50:02] That's what the sheriff's department is.

[1:50:03] He's going to have you cheer it.

[1:50:06] We'll get you.

[1:50:07] Yeah, sure.

[1:50:09] So I don't want to be on there.

[1:50:11] Yeah, sure.

[1:50:12] I don't want to work on that.

[1:50:15] I can point that.

[1:50:16] The Greenbelt and Boise and they have that little mark card.

[1:50:19] Yep.

[1:50:20] It's like, I don't know.

[1:50:21] It's probably not going to be big of a table.

[1:50:23] I think those are volunteers.

[1:50:24] Yeah, our people do the Greenbelt too.

[1:50:26] So the sheriff's department, but they have the police department, so we have a huge area to 64 or 5 square miles.

[1:50:36] Not a lot of cities have in a very different.

[1:50:38] I mean, it's the trails we have, the rivers we have in the parks.

[1:50:44] It's a lot of a lot to oversee.

[1:50:45] So I mean, I think our main is to use a phenomenal job.

[1:50:49] There is a pressure, there's a pressure on the staff though right now.

[1:50:52] So we need to really put some package deals here, but this is this is the catalyst to make the analysis of where we're at where we need to go

[1:51:00] So I'm happy with this part of it a lot

[1:51:08] Yep copies of everything all the mapping for all is everybody got something of everything right

[1:51:14] if not we can have all this within the it's in the packet 83 six pages whatever was I was

[1:51:22] going to print it out and I said nope I'm going to wait

[1:51:29] you have a nobody's going away because I even went to people that are watch you know it

[1:51:35] could be online we can do we got access to facility whatever information needs to go to people

[1:51:41] and we'll get it to everybody, yeah.

[1:51:43] Yeah, we are going to take, you know, the next day or two,

[1:51:47] so if you have any other comments, please let me know,

[1:51:49] to update these and make sure that we are refining

[1:51:52] and reflecting the conversations that we've had with you guys.

[1:51:55] And so the materials that we'll go out to the public

[1:51:58] will be a little bit, they'll be refined and updated.

[1:52:00] Yeah, what's we have?

[1:52:01] The whole package that we see in the world?

[1:52:02] The package that went out is, I would say, yeah,

[1:52:05] that's, you know, for this meeting only.

[1:52:07] And then we, you know, there will be some changes that we want the public to react to that are, that are reflective of your, of your employees.

[1:52:16] I have some feedback on the maps going through those so I can just email and send that.

[1:52:22] Yeah, everything.

[1:52:25] Will it be your assessment of the top five things that came out of this meeting?

[1:52:30] A lot of this meeting.

[1:52:32] Um, updates that we're going to update the level of service.

[1:52:36] I look to increase that, we're going to have some further discussions about the field space at the school district.

[1:52:47] We're going to update the WSS.

[1:52:54] We're going to do a big notification post as well for the next outreach and then.

[1:53:03] Is that what you meant by each of us?

[1:53:04] We have getting better participation in the next question.

[1:53:06] Yeah, the participation.

[1:53:09] Yep.

[1:53:10] Yep.

[1:53:10] The other thing I got was, we need to increase the parking

[1:53:15] back.

[1:53:17] Yeah.

[1:53:18] Yep.

[1:53:18] Oh, yep.

[1:53:20] Thank you.

[1:53:20] Agreement on the Outboard Space of the School's Pathway to Eagle Island State

[1:53:24] Park needs to become a priority.

[1:53:29] That seems to be a good thing.

[1:53:32] That's really nice.

[1:53:34] Yeah.

[1:53:34] We're still confused on when you did the community value slide versus the national

[1:53:42] issue of a slide.

[1:53:45] To me, Eagles, community values are not matching the national survey importance.

[1:53:53] I didn't see anything and everything represented with Eagle having to do with Howard Ford

[1:53:58] our pickleball.

[1:54:01] You better watch out, Doug.

[1:54:04] Yeah.

[1:54:05] The pickleball over here.

[1:54:09] Yeah.

[1:54:10] I think you didn't see that.

[1:54:13] 140% now.

[1:54:15] You didn't see that.

[1:54:18] That was the physical activity as opposed to, you know, our team sports on basketball or pickleball.

[1:54:26] So, I can get rid of that slide.

[1:54:29] Yeah.

[1:54:29] It was a big compute.

[1:54:30] Yeah.

[1:54:31] Okay.

[1:54:31] If you've got to explain it to, yeah, it's got to be real user friendly.

[1:54:35] But we did need to get an analysis of what private sectors offering tennis, pickleball,

[1:54:40] indoor basketball, volleyball, and everything is supposed to, what the public is going to

[1:54:45] get from the city, you know, because there's a lot of duplication and they're going

[1:54:51] to have to come up with a, I hope you're a member of, you know, something, right?

[1:54:57] You have to be here.

[1:54:58] Yeah, unless you plane it, um, hop.

[1:55:03] I'm going to find pickle, which is a long way to go play every day.

[1:55:15] I really appreciate your time and our next discussion. We will talk more about priorities, feasibility, implementation, what are going to be the top things that we are going to recommend to implement in the next five years.

[1:55:30] So that will be after we have this public outreach and so this is the fire that will be distributed at our parks and

[1:55:38] Farmers market facilities as well and then the rest of the notification answers number 14 537 30. It's open house

[1:55:45] Kind of drop in come in as you go and then the questionnaire will be open also from September 14th to

[1:55:52] October 4th and then we will be taking all of that community input

[1:55:58] We're finding what we have and then drafting the plan later this fall and then we'll be

[1:56:06] going back out with the draft plan in January.

[1:56:08] So the Open House should be taking more comments.

[1:56:11] Yep.

[1:56:11] Open House?

[1:56:12] Yeah.

[1:56:12] We'll have a lot of interactive boards and exercises that people can comment on.

[1:56:18] No.

[1:56:18] I'm on your flyer on that.

[1:56:20] I guess that's going to be a flyer that's going to go out the Open House.

[1:56:23] at the open house, take the questionnaire.

[1:56:27] We've got what you want to do the day, and the time,

[1:56:32] and eagerly elementary, but clear down in the bottom of it

[1:56:36] is what it's about.

[1:56:37] I wonder if maybe that might be a little broader

[1:56:40] of what we're trying to do, because they're

[1:56:42] going to get clear down there and say, well, I'm

[1:56:44] going to take the questionnaire.

[1:56:45] I'm going to go to the elementary at 5.373.

[1:56:49] Why am I doing this?

[1:56:51] And so join us.

[1:56:52] that needs to be up and what we really want them to do.

[1:56:56] Your input is needed.

[1:56:58] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:56:59] Yeah, input on parks like the end.

[1:57:02] So that, you know, a little broader, a little older,

[1:57:05] or something in that so that people get more of that.

[1:57:07] I hope it's shaped the future of parks and recreation.

[1:57:11] There's something to that effect.

[1:57:12] So it's compelling for them to want to come.

[1:57:17] Don't let us in charge of making any decisions.

[1:57:19] Yeah, you don't want to come to this.

[1:57:26] You don't want to come to this.

[1:57:26] The compliments to you is a very complicated project.

[1:57:30] Yeah, a lot of layers.

[1:57:32] I think you're doing a good job.

[1:57:35] I think we're going to take out that one spot about the taking over that.

[1:57:40] Yeah.

[1:57:41] The Recreation Center.

[1:57:43] Color code the highways.

[1:57:45] The state highways.

[1:57:46] All right, well good job on time management, Housekeeping, Housekeeping, like you want to make it a motion to adjourn.

[1:57:54] If I can ask one question.

[1:57:55] Yes, sure.

[1:57:56] Okay, so I know that someone here talks about ebiics and this has been discussed.

[1:58:01] I know you guys are working on an ordinance to have an idea when that's going to come up onto your agenda.

[1:58:06] We're going to, we're going to.

[1:58:06] So ebiic agenda things coming up, we're working diligently to legal and the shares department.

[1:58:25] It's okay, there's no.

[1:58:30] Yeah, that's where.

[1:58:33] Well, as soon as we got it, it's close.

[1:58:36] It's very close.

[1:58:37] Okay.

[1:58:38] I'm not good, like I said, I've put a date out there, but it's closer to seven days.

[1:58:42] That's good.

[1:58:45] That's good.

[1:58:45] Get in.

[1:58:46] Anybody else want to say anything for I make a motion?

[1:58:48] Okay.

[1:58:49] Okay, we have a second.

[1:58:52] Any more discussion?

[1:58:54] All players say aye?

[1:58:55] Aye.

[1:58:56] Thank you.

[1:58:56] Thank you, guys.

[1:58:57] Meeting each other.

[1:58:58] Thank you.

[1:59:00] I scanned your QR code and shared with the broker.

[1:59:03] Okay.

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