[0:00] everyone my apologies I'm going to have

[0:02] to learn to leave a little earlier to

[0:05] come down from

[0:06] shelburn um we'll now ask staff to re

[0:10] begin recording and I guess they have

[0:13] this meeting is being live streamed and

[0:15] publicly broadcast the recording of this

[0:18] meeting will also be available on our

[0:20] website in the

[0:22] future uh we'll Now call the meeting to

[0:25] order and just a reminder of the

[0:28] training that we had on Monday night uh

[0:32] be kind tonight especially to our

[0:37] treasure I'll Now read the uh land

[0:40] acknowledgement statement we'll begin

[0:42] the meeting by sharing the land

[0:43] acknowledgement statement respectfully

[0:45] acknowledging that duffrin County

[0:47] resides within the traditional territory

[0:50] and ancestoral lands of the Tiani at

[0:53] Randon anani and the anes naavis people

[0:57] we also acknowledge that various

[0:59] municipali ities within the county of

[1:01] duffrin reside within the treaty lands

[1:03] named under the halderman deed of 1784

[1:07] and two of the Williams treaties of 1818

[1:10] treaty 18 the NWA Saga purchase and

[1:13] treaty 19 the agis

[1:16] treaty these traditional territories

[1:19] upon which we live and learn are steeped

[1:22] in Rich indigenous history and

[1:23] traditions it is with this statement

[1:26] that we declare to honor and respect the

[1:29] past and Pres present connection of

[1:31] indigenous peoples with this land its

[1:34] waterways and

[1:36] resources I'll now ask the uh clerk to

[1:40] do a roll call please thank you

[1:43] councelor kran pres councelor guardos

[1:46] present councelor Garretts present

[1:48] councelor Hall present councelor Hawkins

[1:53] present councelor little present

[1:56] councelor mlan present councelor Mills

[1:59] Pres

[2:00] councelor Nicks present councelor post

[2:04] present councelor wrench I'm here

[2:08] councelor Solomon present councelor

[2:11] Taylor present councelor white present

[2:14] and Warden Herer present thank

[2:18] you and we'll move on to the approval of

[2:20] the agenda may I have a motion to

[2:22] approve the agenda and the

[2:25] addendum uh moved by Mills seconded by

[2:30] oh I don't know Garretts they all went

[2:32] up um all those in

[2:34] favor

[2:36] carried

[2:38] uh we'll now move on to

[2:43] uh at this point members of council are

[2:46] required to State any pecuniary interest

[2:50] uh please State the interest and the

[2:51] general nature thereof declarations must

[2:54] be verbal and in writing and can be

[2:57] emailed to the clerk

[3:03] yes sir um anything regarding staff

[3:06] salaries I declare a conflict due to a

[3:09] family member who works at the county

[3:11] okay thank

[3:13] you approval of the minutes um approval

[3:17] of the minutes of the election of warden

[3:19] meeting and regular meeting of Council

[3:22] on December 12th

[3:25] 2024 uh please note that the election of

[3:28] the warden minutes have been amended to

[3:31] properly reflect that councelor Nicks as

[3:34] well as councelor Solomon voted for

[3:36] councelor little to be the chair of the

[3:39] Community Development and Tourism

[3:42] Committee may I have a motion to adopt

[3:44] the minutes from the election of the

[3:46] ward meeting as amended and regular

[3:49] meeting of Council on December 12th 2024

[3:53] moved by councelor post and Seed by uh

[3:58] councelor little all those in

[4:00] favor

[4:04] carried we now have a proclamation or a

[4:07] delegation from PC mlan duffen op

[4:11] regarding the annual Polar Plunge

[4:14] challenge I'd like to um invite

[4:17] provincial Constable mlan from duffo P

[4:21] to

[4:21] delegate excellent uh first and foremost

[4:24] I want to thank uh County Council for

[4:26] having me on there today um I know I

[4:28] signed up short notice but I want to to

[4:29] make sure that I got the information

[4:31] about the Polar Plunge out to the County

[4:33] Council um and to invite the counselors

[4:36] that uh sit uh within the municipalities

[4:39] to participate within the Polar Plunge

[4:43] um it's not my first time coming to

[4:45] various councils for this so I fig that

[4:47] this was the best opportunity where I

[4:49] can hit all the municipalities all at

[4:51] once and I encourage each uh delegate

[4:54] from County Council to bring it back to

[4:56] their individual councils within their

[4:58] municipality

[5:00] um I know that I see a couple Mayors

[5:02] Deputy Mayors counselors that kind of

[5:04] cringe as soon as they saw my name on

[5:05] the board um mayor Mills being one of

[5:09] them and uh Deputy Mayor mlan so uh for

[5:12] those that participated last year um I

[5:14] believe we had six or seven different

[5:16] delegates from County Council um as well

[5:20] as I know Orangeville Council has some

[5:21] Representatives so I want to thank

[5:23] everybody once again for participating

[5:25] in this very important event and I want

[5:27] to encourage those who did participate

[5:29] last year um whether it was donations or

[5:32] actually participating in the event to

[5:34] come on out again this year um just a

[5:36] bit of a background for those who are

[5:39] unaware as to what the Polar Plunge is

[5:41] what it is is it's a fundraiser that uh

[5:43] we hold across the province I believe

[5:45] there was about 25 across the province

[5:47] last year um where people jump in a body

[5:52] of water for Special Olympics so they

[5:54] raise money um we in shelburn we've held

[5:57] it this will be the fifth year total

[5:59] between the sh Police Service and the

[6:01] atar provinal police uh where we set up

[6:03] a pool everybody jumps in once the fire

[6:05] department fills it up and rais a lot of

[6:07] money I believe that between shelburn

[6:09] and op we've raised well over $100,000

[6:13] for Special Olympics alone which up

[6:16] until last uh the three events preco we

[6:19] were beating out police services that

[6:20] were running the event like uh Toronto

[6:22] police we're being a peel region and all

[6:24] that so it's amazing for such a small

[6:26] community to uh continue to raise amount

[6:29] of money so um for the Polar Plunge

[6:33] itself it's a part of the larger

[6:36] fundraising initiative of the law

[6:37] enforcement torrun which globally it is

[6:40] the largest Grassroots fundraiser for

[6:42] the Special Olympics so what the money

[6:44] goes towards is it assists special

[6:46] Olympians in training it assists them in

[6:49] being able to participate in sport and

[6:51] uniforms and all that sort of stuff um

[6:53] and allows them to grow it gives them

[6:56] the opportunity to fit in and become

[6:58] champions

[7:00] um we have numerous um athletes within

[7:04] the community I want to say that the

[7:06] duffing club alone uh probably consists

[7:08] about 35 to 40 different athletes and in

[7:11] Deen County we offer I believe it's six

[7:14] different sports in total so it's very

[7:17] important it's a lot of athletes do play

[7:19] in several different sports uh between

[7:21] summer winter and so forth um so it's an

[7:24] extremely important uh program that we

[7:27] kind of head up um this year's Polar

[7:30] Plunge we have moved it um just to

[7:33] coincide with another event that's going

[7:35] on uh so it'll be on family day Monday

[7:37] which is February 17th

[7:39] 2025 um and we've moved it over to the

[7:42] agricultural barns in shelburn um that

[7:44] way we can kind of collaborate with the

[7:47] free Family skate that happens on family

[7:49] day and we're not splitting the

[7:51] community it's walking distance

[7:53] basically everywhere in town and then we

[7:55] can also um people can go there they can

[7:57] have the free Family skate and then they

[7:59] can go watch people be uncomfortable by

[8:00] jumping in the pool and then they can

[8:02] kind of go home so um this year is going

[8:05] to be the first year where we haven't

[8:06] held it at fiddle Park and again it was

[8:08] just Logistics because we realized that

[8:11] with the free Family skate we were

[8:12] literally splitting the community so

[8:14] we're just trying to bring everybody

[8:15] together in a familyfriendly

[8:18] atmosphere um in addition to uh this

[8:21] year um I came to County Council I

[8:24] believe it was in March of uh

[8:27] 2024 where um the warden at the time

[8:30] actually awarded what I nicknamed the

[8:32] Frozen belt so what I did is I've gone

[8:35] out as a member of Def op and we've

[8:38] bought a uh literally a wrestling belt

[8:41] that we've completely done up uh

[8:44] specific to duffen County for the polar

[8:46] plch so what this belt is is the highest

[8:50] fundraiser for the event ends up winning

[8:53] this belt and they get a little uh

[8:54] replica belt that they get to keep last

[8:57] year and I think three out of the five

[9:00] years that we've actually run it a

[9:01] special Olympian has won the belt each

[9:03] and every time so and I can tell you

[9:06] right now I've been contact with his

[9:08] father he literally displays the belt in

[9:10] his room he carries it around he brings

[9:12] it to events and all that sort of stuff

[9:13] so it is a moment of Pride for him so

[9:16] this year we're officially announcing it

[9:18] where we'll be uh be presenting it on

[9:20] stage at the event to make sure that he

[9:22] gets the recognition that he deserves or

[9:24] whoever wins it my apologies and at a

[9:27] later date then we'll be awarding the

[9:29] smaller replica belt and so forth so

[9:31] last year I believe he raised over

[9:34] $5,000 just by himself which is

[9:36] incredible so and especially when on a

[9:39] grand scheme of things the whole event

[9:40] raised just over

[9:42] $188,000 so this year we're hoping to

[9:44] amp it up especially by having a

[9:46] collaboration with other family day

[9:48] events and hopefully we can make it

[9:50] another great

[9:52] success um last year as well we had

[9:54] close to 80 plungers so this year

[9:56] obviously we're looking for more um so

[9:58] again i' like to challenge everybody

[10:02] sitting at this table and to jump in

[10:05] again this year if you jumped in

[10:06] previously you know it's really not that

[10:08] bad and we're always looking at ways to

[10:11] make it a little bit easier on the

[10:13] plungers as well last year we had a wood

[10:15] burning sauna that was donated by Aaron

[10:17] Downey um this year I'm going to reach

[10:19] out to Aaron to see whether or not we

[10:21] can have it on site again but just

[10:23] logistically by having it at the

[10:25] agricultural grounds um I'm I've asked

[10:28] the shurn arena as as well to open up

[10:30] the change room so then that way there's

[10:32] also a shower option that if people want

[10:35] to change in the warmth get showered up

[10:36] and all that sort of stuff so then that

[10:38] that way they're not cold throughout the

[10:39] whole day so we're just looking at

[10:41] different amenities and so forth to kind

[10:42] of expand on it and if anybody at the

[10:44] table has any suggestions I'd be more

[10:46] than willing to hear about it um I

[10:48] believe the clerk has my email address

[10:49] feel free to shoot me off a message um

[10:52] and so again I want to challenge

[10:54] everybody at the table everybody that

[10:56] sits on the municipalities um and can

[10:59] send out uh flyers and all that sort of

[11:02] stuff to everybody at the table so then

[11:04] that way they can kind of broadcast it

[11:05] out to their different delegates um the

[11:09] website to sign up is polar plunge.

[11:13] CA duffrin

[11:15] and within that website as well you can

[11:17] either register or you can donate um so

[11:21] I would highly encourage people to

[11:23] register either as a team or as an

[11:24] individual you can be a team of one so

[11:27] if you decide that you're going to go

[11:28] with a certain team because we do uh do

[11:31] a bit of a costume contest both

[11:32] individual and team so if you decide

[11:35] that you want to register as a member of

[11:37] a team and your team's only one but

[11:38] you're going with a theme by all means

[11:40] we encourage it so um again I want to

[11:43] thank County Council for inviting me out

[11:45] here today and if there's any questions

[11:47] by all means I'd be more than willing to

[11:49] answer thank you Constable um any any

[11:53] volunteers for the duffan county team

[11:57] today they all look a little warm me but

[12:00] thank you for your presentation and I

[12:02] know you'll see some of us there

[12:04] excellent thank you so much appreciate

[12:05] it thanks from

[12:09] last Darren says he's still cold from

[12:13] year okay um is there anyone in the

[12:16] public gallery that has a question if

[12:19] you do please stand state your name and

[12:22] your

[12:23] address were there any

[12:26] questions here yes is that where I stand

[12:30] just you can stand here okay anyway my

[12:33] name is

[12:34] nisto I live on 2 po L9

[12:40] W5

[12:43] V1 okay the question I have today and I

[12:46] spoke to a lot of residents from the

[12:48] town of

[12:49] Orangeville unfortunately the town of

[12:52] Orangeville pass a budget with the 5%

[12:55] increase just a penny less but I say 5 %

[12:59] increase a lot of people they're not

[13:02] very happy with that here we standing

[13:05] here tonight so you have your your work

[13:07] cut out because you're also looking a

[13:11] 5.6% increase so I hope this body here

[13:15] tonight will do their best to lower the

[13:18] budget I know I sat on this table for

[13:21] three years as a deputy mayor it's not

[13:24] an easy task but it can be done if you

[13:27] put your mind to it to get bring it down

[13:30] to zero so I leave it with that because

[13:33] a lot of people I can tell you in the

[13:35] town of or they not very happy thank

[13:39] you yes who are they I haven't heard

[13:42] from anybody not happy with well I can

[13:45] tell you you know you know what kind of

[13:47] work I

[13:48] do one person has gotten in touch with

[13:50] ha stylist I'm a hair stylist by trade I

[13:53] I don't I don't believe you well you

[13:56] don't believe in me why why you don't

[13:58] believe in me no one has complained

[14:00] about it General St were you in the

[14:02] place when they told me sorry folks this

[14:04] is an Orangeville exactly this is an

[14:06] Orangeville discussion and I but what I

[14:09] I brought to the attention over this

[14:10] party here today because you also

[14:12] looking at

[14:14] 5.6% increase yes so that's what I'm

[14:17] looking and if you stick with the number

[14:19] you know what that means for the T of

[14:21] rville let's say you stick with the same

[14:24] numbers that means orange Ville is going

[14:27] to get hit with over 7% % increase

[14:30] that's a hallway sh thank you thank

[14:37] you thank you uh Gordon uh my name is

[14:40] David W I'm a Tanda in Orangeville U my

[14:42] question is kind of similar but I think

[14:44] sorry my not uh being heard uh similar I

[14:48] I would say you guys did a great job on

[14:49] the budget uh really bring it down being

[14:51] incredibly responsible and investing in

[14:52] what we uh have been underinvestigated

[14:59] not um but I think really the challenge

[15:02] that all of us are in but Orangeville

[15:03] more acutely um from my personal

[15:06] perspective relates to more of a

[15:07] structural um funding model uh challenge

[15:11] right so I don't know if you're

[15:12] comfortable doing this now or if you

[15:14] would be willing to State this later

[15:16] during the discussion but I would like

[15:17] to know how many of you or individually

[15:20] acknowledge that there's a funding model

[15:22] problem that needs to be fixed right and

[15:24] then if you acknowledge that proceed

[15:26] with the discussion and fix it right um

[15:28] but I think

[15:29] it's going to be challenging for all of

[15:30] you to have a meaningful discussion

[15:32] debate and make some decisions um when I

[15:35] think there's from my perspective in

[15:37] watching a lot of these meetings online

[15:39] um kind of a convenient denial that uh

[15:41] the challenge even exists uh in some

[15:43] cases and I think it's you got to call

[15:44] it out so that we can fix it um so

[15:48] whether you want to do that now or later

[15:49] I leave that to you but I think that

[15:51] personally I think is the problem that

[15:52] needs to be fixed and I uh look forward

[15:54] to um you doing that and I thank you all

[15:56] for your service I know it's it's a big

[15:58] job and I would appreciate you doing it

[16:00] councelor

[16:02] Garretts I just wanted to add that so

[16:05] I'm Chris Garretts from Township amaran

[16:07] and our Deputy Mayor Gail little is here

[16:10] we have a delegation with the Minister

[16:11] of Finance I sorry it's the

[16:13] Parliamentary assistant at Roma in a

[16:15] week and a half uh and the exact topic

[16:18] is the the problem with the the funding

[16:21] model so I think it's fair to say and

[16:24] you know that that amaranth for one

[16:28] recognizes that there's that there's an

[16:30] issue an an equity issue um and I'm I

[16:34] I'm confident in saying that yeah that's

[16:35] amar's position

[16:39] thank

[16:40] mlan yeah uh thanks for coming in thanks

[16:43] for the question I just wanted to be

[16:44] clear on like what aspect of the funding

[16:46] model do you have concerns with yeah gu

[16:50] primarily I I guess would be

[16:52] predominantly related to the uh the

[16:53] capital investment component of uh

[16:56] facilities right so I'm speaking to you

[16:57] know libraries in some cases also the uh

[17:01] community centers like Alder the rec

[17:03] center um you know there are others I

[17:05] mean right now obviously Tony Rose uh is

[17:07] a whole other Kettle fish uh that's

[17:09] going to be a big challenge um so I I do

[17:11] acknowledge certainly that there are

[17:13] contributions from an operating fees

[17:15] perspective um and in some cases you

[17:17] know higher than what Orangeville

[17:18] residents would necessarily contribute

[17:19] from an operating funding perspective

[17:21] but uh the the capital investment and

[17:24] also the corresponding costs either from

[17:26] a legal perspective or you know

[17:27] everything else that comes with it I

[17:29] have to imagine there's been some legal

[17:30] costs over at alter recently um you know

[17:33] that that's significant I'm not sure

[17:34] that's been captured uh sufficiently um

[17:37] again you guys would probably know

[17:38] better than me and I'm sure some of the

[17:39] other colleagues here would know even

[17:41] better than that but um you know when

[17:43] you look at the tax rates across

[17:46] municipalities and where where the costs

[17:48] sit versus where the people are versus

[17:49] where the land is and who has the

[17:51] capacity to grow um from a tax base

[17:53] perspective you know Orangeville got

[17:56] pinched from a from a landmass

[17:57] perspective um Inc capacity yet has the

[18:01] line share of both the operating costs

[18:04] and more significantly and acutely the

[18:06] uh the capital investment needs um

[18:09] without the corresponding commit

[18:11] sufficient ability to find the funds

[18:13] right and uh you know I think it would

[18:16] be a bit extreme to uh you know make the

[18:18] analogy that it's bit like Canada and

[18:20] the states and the conversation that

[18:21] Trump's having right now but uh there's

[18:22] a bit of a free riter effect I think

[18:24] that uh you know some people could uh

[18:27] you know run the risk of having that

[18:28] feeling and I don't think that's good

[18:29] for the community when you know that

[18:31] sort of Us Versus Them feeling and

[18:33] sentiment and resentment can uh has the

[18:35] capacity or the opportunity to start

[18:36] faster right I think we've got an

[18:38] opportunity now to nip it and uh I

[18:41] challenge you to do it and I I I know

[18:42] you will do your best and I hope you do

[18:44] thank you you uh councelor

[18:49] ni yeah I'm sorry to be a bit dense I'm

[18:52] still not quite clear on the problem

[18:55] you're identifying is it the share of

[18:59] taxes being paid by municipalities

[19:01] versus The Province or is it the share

[19:04] of taxes being paid by Orangeville

[19:06] versus the other municipalities in

[19:08] different counties I'm not quite sure I

[19:10] understand your

[19:12] point I mean respectfully um councelor

[19:16] Nicks uh if if you're not sure of the

[19:19] problem then that's that in itself is

[19:20] part of the problem um it should be

[19:24] self-evident I I don't mean to be

[19:26] disrespectful but it it should be clear

[19:28] um I'm not clear I'm not clear of what

[19:30] problem you're talking

[19:32] about okay I I'm sure up in the

[19:34] conversation well can't can't you just

[19:36] sure I mean tell me sure I mean I I just

[19:38] I want to be respectful of your time I

[19:39] think I'm probably already over but uh

[19:42] um it it would be the the portion like

[19:44] Orangeville has uh operating and capital

[19:48] costs related to its uh facilities right

[19:52] whether it's every municipality does not

[19:54] every municipality here has libraries

[19:56] not every municipality here has rec

[19:57] centers not every municipal here has

[19:59] other you know I could go on right we we

[20:02] I come from the town of mono sure we pay

[20:04] for Library services to Orangeville

[20:06] right which is what I we pay a higher

[20:08] fee for going to the swimming pool than

[20:10] Orangeville residents y I spoke to that

[20:11] before that's where I I openly

[20:13] acknowledge that you do contribute to

[20:14] the operating cost component which would

[20:15] be the staff in the building the heat

[20:17] the hydro so so put it in plain English

[20:19] what you're saying is the surrounding

[20:20] municipalities don't pay enough is that

[20:22] what you're trying to say I'm saying

[20:24] that when Tony Rose uh needs to be fixed

[20:26] knocked down uh replaced whatever answer

[20:29] question um yes the the cost to build

[20:32] the new facility whatever uh size shape

[20:34] or form it takes um somebody's got to

[20:36] build the building before you can

[20:38] contribute your component of the

[20:39] operating expenses right there there's

[20:41] got to be a building and a service there

[20:43] to begin with right and that's where

[20:45] Orangeville has paid more than their

[20:46] fair share for an awful long time so you

[20:49] are saying that the surrounding

[20:50] municipalities are not paying enough

[20:53] okay I understand you know yes than

[20:55] thank you councelor white thank you uh

[20:59] Warden uh so essentially there's two

[21:01] components to your your argument one

[21:04] that I don't think you're aware of and

[21:05] one that clearly you are aware of the

[21:07] first one that I'll talk about is uh

[21:10] there is a problem with the funding

[21:12] model at the upper levels of government

[21:14] and how they support or don't support uh

[21:18] municipalities and the fact that

[21:20] municipalities have to do 90% of the

[21:22] work on 10% of the money uh there is

[21:26] advocacy and discussion going on in

[21:29] all of our Municipal organizations Roma

[21:31] Western wardens Amo all of those groups

[21:35] are are having those discussions on what

[21:37] a better uh funding model looks like so

[21:40] some of that uh if that ever uh realizes

[21:45] any benefit some of that will be

[21:46] addressed in that uh but you know with

[21:49] regards to your other point um every

[21:51] municipality here pays for libraries

[21:54] it's just how do we do it uh in mangon

[21:57] we pay into the shelburn Public Library

[22:00] uh we do that with a a both a an

[22:02] operating uh contribution and a capital

[22:06] contribution based on budgets that are

[22:08] set by that Library I would assume that

[22:11] there's every different library has some

[22:13] kind of agreement like

[22:19] that yeah that that's fair so I mean but

[22:22] with regards to recreation centers fire

[22:24] departments all those things they're all

[22:27] the same um from time to time those

[22:29] Agreements are modified or exchanged or

[22:32] right now we're looking at fire and how

[22:33] that works uh going forward uh if a time

[22:37] comes when we're going to discuss

[22:39] libraries and whatnot or Recreation or

[22:41] whatnot I mean those times will come

[22:42] those that those discussions will be had

[22:45] I think everybody around here at this

[22:47] table staff included all want to see a

[22:49] better vibrant thriving Community um and

[22:53] uh you know but we can't do everything

[22:55] all the time at the same time so it's an

[22:58] evolving conversation and I think

[23:00] everybody supports having that

[23:04] conversation one last word just wanted

[23:08] to just wanted to add similar to uh

[23:11] counselor white amaranth p is operating

[23:13] in capital to Grand Valley and shelburn

[23:15] Rec Centers Grand Valley and and

[23:17] shelburn libraries the reason we don't

[23:19] to Orangeville is because some time ago

[23:22] a a previous Council we're going back

[23:25] decades had us removed from those AR

[23:27] Arrangements so as a

[23:29] result Aman now is obligated to pay zero

[23:32] doar to the library and is obligated to

[23:36] pay $ Z to your to the rec center for

[23:39] Orangeville that was not our decision

[23:41] that was the town of Orangeville

[23:43] decision at the time so just wanted to

[23:45] clarify that

[23:48] appr thank you

[23:50] sir okay um moving on and and it's great

[23:54] to have some public involvement really

[23:57] there's lots of days we go by here and

[23:59] uh there's nobody from the public um and

[24:02] you wonder does anybody care but yes

[24:05] people do care so thank you for for your

[24:07] uh

[24:09] questions uh number nine is a selection

[24:12] committee for the homelessness task

[24:14] force uh the report from the clerk uh

[24:17] dated January

[24:20] 9th so

[24:22] um are we needing any further discussion

[24:26] on this what we're asking for our at

[24:29] least two individuals to be appointed uh

[24:34] to the um selection

[24:37] process do we Sorry I'd like to with

[24:41] your permission nominate uh councelor

[24:43] post for one of the positions councelor

[24:46] post are you willing to stand yes

[24:48] absolutely thank you councelor

[24:49] Garretts and is there anyone else that's

[24:55] interested Lisa um I think it would be

[24:58] appropriate for councelor mlan as the

[25:00] new chair of Health and Human Services

[25:01] so if he's willing I would love to

[25:03] nominate councelor mlan to join me are

[25:05] you willing to stand councilor M I am

[25:07] thanks councel post uh any further

[25:10] interest or is that uh that everybody

[25:14] that's interested okay so um the motion

[25:19] reads I need to mover in the seconder

[25:21] then um moved by councelor Garrett

[25:24] seconded by councelor Hall that the

[25:25] report from the clerk uh Cao

[25:29] 01225 selection committee homelessness

[25:32] task force stated January 9th be

[25:34] received and the selection process

[25:36] outlined in the report be approved and

[25:39] that counselors post and mlan be

[25:41] appointed to sit on the homelessness

[25:44] task

[25:46] force all those in

[25:48] favor

[25:51] carried okay uh the next item is

[25:55] 9.2 the CAO evaluation committee again

[25:59] the report from the CAO dated January

[26:02] 9th um we have a a motion um that the

[26:07] report be received and we need some

[26:10] volunteers for the evaluation committee

[26:13] is anyone interested in sitting on this

[26:17] committee Warden Warden horer I'd be

[26:20] interested in joining you on that

[26:21] committee right councelor post you're

[26:22] going to be

[26:24] busy councelor

[26:26] Mills I'd be happy to join

[26:28] both of you okay and we need one more uh

[26:32] I don't know who to pick first let's uh

[26:35] councelor little your hand I think I saw

[26:39] first thank you yes I I would be uh

[26:43] honored to be a part of that committee

[26:44] as well but uh you know if if uh we have

[26:49] counselor Nicks as well so we have

[26:51] everybody on this committee we actually

[26:54] should just have four so um well we need

[26:57] an election or what do we do no I'm I'm

[27:02] quite happy if councelor little wants to

[27:06] I will be sure to consult with councelor

[27:08] next as

[27:11] well it's that's probably a good thing

[27:14] councelor okay so

[27:17] um did we get a move in a second

[27:20] or okay so I need to move in a second

[27:23] for this McAn and uh kelman that the

[27:27] report from the chief administrative

[27:30] office report CAO

[27:33] 20252 CAO evaluation committee 2025

[27:37] dated January 9th 2025 be received and

[27:40] that the following members be appointed

[27:42] to the CAO evaluation committee for 2025

[27:46] Warden Herer councelor uh post councelor

[27:50] Mills and councelor little all those in

[27:54] favor that one's carried okay

[27:59] um the next uh

[28:02] exciting item is the budget and I know

[28:07] you're all just sitting on the edges of

[28:09] your seats I know we have appreciated

[28:13] the the questions that have occurred

[28:15] before the um the budget process so that

[28:20] you can get some clarity on what you

[28:22] read and you know sometimes it's not

[28:25] easy to just figure out the numbers and

[28:27] and the intent so the questions were

[28:30] welcome and uh we appreciate those

[28:33] questions ahead of time so Amy I'm going

[28:37] to turn this over to you and um you can

[28:40] walk us through this actually excellent

[28:43] document thank

[28:47] you I'm just going to say one thing if

[28:49] that's okay hor horer and that is just

[28:51] um from a logistical perspective we

[28:54] thought uh in between each of the

[28:56] committee presentations we would take a

[28:57] five minute break and either after um

[29:01] the infrastructure Environmental

[29:02] Services presentation or after the ggs

[29:05] presentation we'll take a longer 20 to

[29:07] 25 minute dinner break so if that works

[29:10] for everyone just so we all are clear on

[29:12] what's Happening and uh now it's all

[29:15] over to

[29:17] Amy just just a second Amy before we

[29:20] begin are you wanting questions as

[29:22] you're presenting or do you want us to

[29:24] wait until the end of each section

[29:28] I actually cover that in the overview

[29:30] section once I read through the overview

[29:32] section I will let you know but pretty

[29:34] much as you go through keep us in

[29:38] yeah okay so Sonia and I are kind of

[29:40] working together here she's going to run

[29:43] the

[29:47] presentation just waiting for it to come

[29:49] up on the screen

[30:04] okay so I'm going to start with a

[30:07] condensed version of the budget overview

[30:09] that we had it in uh December before we

[30:11] move into the Committees and I'll warn

[30:14] you I have added a couple of slides to

[30:16] the overview section that weren't

[30:17] included in your

[30:19] package so this chart summarizes the

[30:22] 20124 next slide Sonia 2024 and 2025

[30:26] budget as well as our plan for 26 2027

[30:29] and

[30:31] 2028 next slide although most of the

[30:34] slides today will include the 2026 to

[30:36] 2028 plan we will be focusing on 2024

[30:39] and

[30:42] 2025 at a high level this chart shows

[30:45] that our 2025 total operating expenses

[30:47] are 161 including Capital uh work is 161

[30:52] million a significant jump over 2024

[30:54] mainly due to the larger capital

[30:56] projects non Tech

[30:58] tax revenue is $98 million which

[31:00] includes $22 million in debt to fund the

[31:03] capital projects lastly we plan on using

[31:06] nearly $14 million in reserves and

[31:08] development charges with over $10

[31:10] million going towards

[31:13] Capital this is what we call the status

[31:15] quo budget it represents the cost to

[31:17] continue doing exactly what we

[31:19] do uh and it requires over $ 48.9

[31:22] million in tax levy which is an increase

[31:25] of 1.5 million or 3.2% over

[31:30] 2024 I think you skipped ah head Sonia

[31:33] currently proposed uh we have $1.8

[31:37] million in additions to the status quo

[31:39] budget these

[31:40] include new positions with a value of

[31:44] $413,000 previously committed of 295,000

[31:46] and new to 2025 things we haven't seen

[31:50] before of $1.1

[31:53] million combine the status quo the the

[31:57] status quo results in a

[32:00] 7.08% increase sorry I'm looking at I'm

[32:03] looking at the screen I'm seeing 5.5 cuz

[32:05] I'm looking at the far

[32:06] side and when we take into consideration

[32:09] growth we we leave leaves this at

[32:13] 5.6% which is approximately

[32:16] $22.40 for each $100,000 of

[32:21] assessment although the focus today is

[32:24] 2025 I would be remiss if I didn't yeah

[32:28] if I didn't point out that 2026 2027 and

[32:30] 2028 show some significant increases

[32:34] these include the F year impact of items

[32:36] proposed in 2025 such as the paramed X

[32:39] Edition uh and new staff they also

[32:41] include future debt payments for

[32:43] proposed borrowing we will need to do

[32:45] renovations to this building as well as

[32:47] a new Operation Center and increase

[32:49] contribution to the housing strategy as

[32:52] always the future years are estimates

[32:53] and are subject to change but these are

[32:55] our current projections

[32:58] now I'm just going to summarize some of

[33:01] the uh priorities that we have some

[33:04] major initiatives and projects to

[33:07] support the Strategic plan within

[33:09] climate and environment we have the

[33:11] better home retrofit program climate

[33:13] master plan the county buildings energy

[33:16] retrofit study that I'm just going to

[33:17] put an aster on that we'll come back to

[33:19] that later electric vehicle charging

[33:22] station for County Fleet long-term Waste

[33:25] Management strategy update and audits

[33:28] within the community priority we have

[33:29] housing strategy implementation upgrades

[33:32] and capital maintenance on the housing

[33:33] stock paramedics Services master plan

[33:36] additional paramedic shift in

[33:41] shelburn under economy we have advancing

[33:43] the workforce strategy for early early

[33:46] childhood Educators countywide Community

[33:48] Improvement plan investment attraction

[33:50] program tourist to development and

[33:52] governance we plan to review the

[33:54] committee meeting structure progress on

[33:58] the new Operation Center Adel Brock

[34:00] Center improvements completing the

[34:02] digital modernization projects and

[34:04] fundraising and sponsorship plan for the

[34:06] Museum of duffen and then lastly with

[34:09] Equity getting implementation of the

[34:11] older adult strategy Transit

[34:13] improvements countywide Community

[34:15] Improvement plan investment attraction

[34:16] program tourist development indigenous

[34:19] education training so we have a lot of

[34:22] different projects that we've kind of um

[34:25] that we have on the go

[34:30] and I just wanted to throw in a summary

[34:31] of the proposed additions by category so

[34:35] the bottom there adds up to $1.9 million

[34:39] which includes the

[34:41] capital uh New Capital so the total

[34:44] revenues are are $2.3 million expenses

[34:47] are 4.9 with transfers net transfers

[34:52] um of $710,000 and then capital

[34:56] investment is 118,000 and that just want

[34:59] to note that that's the net capital

[35:01] investment am uh new new

[35:05] stuff that's being funded by a tax

[35:10] levy

[35:12] okay some other considerations today if

[35:15] you're looking to reduce the tax levy um

[35:20] there's really only a few ways you can

[35:21] do that one is to increase revenues

[35:23] which is very difficult in municipal

[35:25] government second we can look at

[35:27] increasing expenses but that too can be

[35:30] difficult um and have future year

[35:32] impacts you can certainly postpone or

[35:35] remove specific projects for uh for

[35:39] future years or you can consider

[35:41] changing service levels but often such

[35:43] changes do take time and will not impact

[35:45] the current year very much if at all

[35:47] these are typically more longer term

[35:50] strategies we can create a list of these

[35:52] items for future discussion today if we

[35:54] want to you can also reduce the contrib

[35:57] tion to Capital this doesn't necessarily

[35:59] mean the removal of items from the work

[36:01] plan because generally that work still

[36:03] needs to be done and we've been raising

[36:05] money for it over the years it would

[36:07] impact future uh work plans though

[36:10] lastly you can also apply more

[36:13] reserves I just want to note that 1% of

[36:17] tax levy is approximately

[36:21] $475,000 for each committee we will

[36:24] review the Departments which it covers

[36:26] and then Within for each division within

[36:28] the department we will split out

[36:30] revenues expenses expenses transfers

[36:33] from reserves providing

[36:35] highlights we will where appropriate we

[36:38] will also highlight any proposed

[36:39] additions before moving to moving on to

[36:41] capital for that Division if at anytime

[36:44] you do have questions or you would like

[36:45] to discuss a particular item please let

[36:47] me know I will do my best to pause but I

[36:50] do have a tendency just to keep going

[36:51] because there's lots to say so feel free

[36:54] to interrupt me and the other thing I

[36:56] wanted to note

[36:59] um Sonic can you go back a couple okay

[37:02] or open up the other one just in the

[37:04] upper right hand corner of the slide it

[37:07] does reference the page number within

[37:08] the package where there's more detail if

[37:11] you do want to go and look at

[37:13] that so now we're going to move on to

[37:16] IES

[38:10] okay infrastructure and

[38:14] environment this committee only includes

[38:16] public

[38:18] works at the beginning of each

[38:21] department can slide down a couple

[38:23] slides

[38:25] sorry um I Prov a summary showing the

[38:29] status quo of each division So within

[38:31] Public Works we have operations in Fleet

[38:33] engineering climate energy facilities

[38:36] Waste Services in County

[38:38] forest they have a proposed 4.6% overall

[38:43] increase and then the next slide shows

[38:46] the totals for each

[38:49] division next

[38:53] slide um including any proposed

[38:56] additions so for for public works that's

[39:02] 6.9% this Capital um chart summarizes

[39:06] the capital for the Department showing

[39:08] the value of the proposed work in purple

[39:11] the value of the capital asset Fund in

[39:13] Orange and the required Levy in

[39:15] blue I like this chart because it

[39:18] provides a nice summary of the capital

[39:20] overall over 20 years and it reminds us

[39:22] that we do look at the 20-year plan when

[39:24] we're coming up with the levy

[39:25] requirements

[39:28] uh this includes roads and structures as

[39:30] well as the adro center the courthouse

[39:32] Waste Services and operations and County

[39:38] forest I want to note that this is based

[39:40] on the information that we had at the

[39:42] time recognizing that the roads and

[39:44] structures will change as we finalize

[39:46] our updated Capital plan in support of

[39:48] the implementation of the road

[39:50] rationalization

[39:53] study okay let's move into the

[39:55] individual divisions

[39:59] operations and

[40:01] Fleet

[40:05] okay revenues are are down

[40:09] 52% are

[40:13] $164,000 government transfers includes

[40:15] an increase in Winter maintenance

[40:17] revenues to better reflect actual of

[40:20] $10,000 and other revenue is a reduction

[40:23] in staff and Equipment time essentially

[40:25] that's their time spent on capital

[40:26] projects

[40:32] expenses the total increase here is

[40:34] 1.86% or

[40:38] $115,000 public uh operations in fleet

[40:41] has 21 full-time positions and 14

[40:44] part-time winter seasonal

[40:46] positions Staffing is not really down in

[40:49] 2024 or in 2025 it looks like it because

[40:52] 2024 we did include an extra amount for

[40:54] the overlap of the operations manager

[40:59] position additional highlights under

[41:02] admin and office Consulting fees include

[41:04] road safety reviews audits for

[41:07] $20,000 increase in training to support

[41:10] ongoing ongoing learning of Staff of

[41:14] $1,850 we've added more staff over the

[41:16] last few years uh and the training

[41:18] budget didn't reflect quite enough

[41:21] within Service delivery we have service

[41:23] and rental contracts as well as

[41:25] materials for Bridges and Calvert

[41:27] of

[41:29] $999,000 roadside maintenance of 79 hard

[41:32] top and loose top maintenance of

[41:35] $226,000 Safety Systems of just over

[41:38] 680,000 which includes lime painting

[41:41] Hydro for lights guide rail repair and

[41:44] winter control you go to the next slide

[41:46] if you white and of $1.1

[41:49] million and then it Communications we

[41:52] shifted the annual fee for municipal 511

[41:55] permit software from Service delivery to

[41:58] software fees so it's not really an

[41:59] increase

[42:01] there any

[42:04] questions see none you moving on to

[42:08] transfers um 2024 we included that

[42:11] manager overlap which is why there's no

[42:15] we had that coming from reserves and

[42:17] then the $775,000 is a transfer to

[42:20] capital for future equipment

[42:24] replacement moving on to proposed

[42:26] addition the net for 2025 for operations

[42:29] in Fleet is

[42:30] $49,000 2026 2027 and 2028 see some

[42:35] large increases as uh these relate to

[42:38] the new Operation

[42:40] Center next

[42:42] slide previously committed the thermal

[42:45] Road Network mapping involves using

[42:47] temperature data from sensors and

[42:49] satellite imagery to access road

[42:51] conditions which we which will identify

[42:53] hot or cold spots in the road Network

[42:55] resulting in the ability to optimize

[42:57] infrastructure management for safety and

[42:59] efficiency and that is estimated $35,000

[43:02] and is to be funded by the rate

[43:04] stabilization plan

[43:06] Reserve Fleet booking software it

[43:09] enables users to reserve manage and

[43:11] track vehicles in a shared Fleet

[43:12] streamlining streamlining vehicle access

[43:14] and optimizing Fleet utilization Annual

[43:17] fees are $10,000 uh we purchased this

[43:20] software I think in 2024 using a

[43:25] grant and then the road Safety

[43:27] Management soft software enables

[43:30] datadriven decisions making decision-

[43:33] making helps to reduce future collisions

[43:35] and promotes Public Safety through

[43:37] efficient traffic management and policy

[43:39] enforcement implementation costs and

[43:41] annual fees are estimated 20

[43:44] G any question on

[43:47] those Council next yeah I'm just I'm

[43:51] having trouble keeping track of where I

[43:52] am but I know you've got in your budget

[43:55] you're going to borrow some money for

[43:56] the southern Operation Center I think

[43:58] about 20 $20 million I was curious and I

[44:01] I know it's just a plan now you haven't

[44:03] borrowed it but I'm curious um do you go

[44:06] to infrastructure Ontario for that money

[44:08] and do you have any sense of what uh

[44:10] interest you they they would charge you

[44:12] now and what type of loan is it is it

[44:15] like a a mortgage loan where you pay

[44:17] back a fixed amount per month capital

[44:19] and interest over a certain number of

[44:21] years do do you have any details on how

[44:23] that loan works and if that's Maybe not

[44:26] maybe it's premature to be asking this

[44:28] I'm sort of curious because we sometimes

[44:31] have considered in the town of mono

[44:32] whether or not we could borrow money and

[44:34] so I'd be interested in as to how it

[44:36] works with infrastructure

[44:38] Ontario um through you Warden I did look

[44:42] into it in the fall and the rate at that

[44:44] point I think was four and a quarter I

[44:45] would assume that the rate has come down

[44:47] since then um there's options you can

[44:49] borrow so that you're only paying

[44:51] semiannually or you can pay quarterly or

[44:53] you can pay monthly my recommendation

[44:56] would be monthly because the interest

[44:57] costs will be lower over the long run um

[45:00] when we do move to when we make the

[45:03] final decision to borrow then will come

[45:05] to council and we'll have a further

[45:06] discussion on what those options are and

[45:08] what the best rout is

[45:11] okay okay uh new to 2025 we include a

[45:15] guide rail inspection study which will

[45:17] be used to ensure the safety barriers

[45:19] are properly maintained identify areas

[45:21] in need of repair or Improvement and

[45:24] prioritize resources to mitigate risks

[45:27] and protect Road users uh $60,000 this

[45:30] also will be funded from the rate

[45:31] stabilization

[45:32] Reserve Road Patrol software is

[45:34] necessary for summer and winter

[45:36] patrolling as it helps track and manage

[45:38] maintenance activities ensuring timely

[45:41] responses to weather related road

[45:43] conditions optimizing resource

[45:45] allocation for safety and enabling

[45:47] compliance with minimum maintenance

[45:49] standards and with an annual fee of

[45:51] 18,500 any question on

[45:54] those councelor mlan uh yeah I was just

[45:58] curious what is the road safety

[45:59] management software like what is that

[46:01] intended to

[46:05] do through you Warden um so that's the

[46:08] software that we talked about the last

[46:10] council meeting um where basically what

[46:12] it allows us to do is to provide several

[46:16] inputs as well as geometry of an

[46:18] intersection and it can run through very

[46:20] quickly different modeling for different

[46:22] approaches different improvements or

[46:23] changes to an intersection for example

[46:25] so that we can come up very quick

[46:26] quickly you know we talk often around

[46:28] this table about whether an all stop is

[46:30] appropriate additional Lanes um those

[46:33] types of things and it just helps us do

[46:34] that much more quickly because we

[46:35] certainly are seeing um Road Safety is a

[46:38] priority for us it seems to be a

[46:40] priority for Council and it's a

[46:42] challenge to respond as quickly as we

[46:43] would like to and this will allow us to

[46:45] do so okay thanks for clarifying that in

[46:47] my head for some reason I was thinking

[46:49] it was about tracking incidents or

[46:51] issues but I remember the conversation

[46:53] but to to that point it actually gives

[46:55] us direct connection to the province for

[46:56] cion data which currently takes a very

[46:59] long time to obtain and now we have

[47:01] realtime connection okay thank

[47:06] you understand Phillip you have a

[47:12] question thank you thank you I do it's

[47:15] about the guide rail inspection um is

[47:21] this generally not guide rails that are

[47:24] part of bridge

[47:25] structures because I'm under the

[47:27] understanding that's usually done

[47:28] through the OS study so is this are

[47:30] these other guide

[47:33] rails through you warden so typically or

[47:36] generally yes um the answer would be yes

[47:38] so right now in order to build our

[47:40] Capital plan in a in a structured way

[47:42] that's not only considering condition

[47:45] and improvements but also upgrades um so

[47:47] we do that for roads we do that for

[47:49] Bridges we do not do that for guide rail

[47:50] we typically respond when there's damage

[47:53] um I've spoken with several members

[47:55] around this table over the years where

[47:56] the the standards for guide rail have

[47:58] changed we have no plan to respond to it

[48:00] it's simply we try to maintain what's in

[48:01] place for as long as possible um until

[48:04] it can't be anymore and at that point we

[48:05] may upgrade to a steel post and and um

[48:08] cable and those types of systems that I

[48:10] think some of you have seen around the

[48:11] county so this will give us a similar

[48:14] sort of capital plan for how to actually

[48:16] handle it in a in a more proactive

[48:18] manner instead of us simply responding

[48:20] to

[48:24] damage anyone else

[48:27] seeing none carry on

[48:34] Amy okay shifting to Capital we will be

[48:37] drawing down on the capital asset fund

[48:40] uh for operations and Fleet over the

[48:41] next few years on the bottom

[48:44] line next Slide the there's a prior

[48:48] carry forward

[48:50] um essentially this is kind of the

[48:52] difference between where we thought we

[48:54] were going to be at the end of 2024 and

[48:56] we actually may end up cuz it was still

[48:59] an estimate when we calculated the

[49:00] numbers but the $1 million is made up of

[49:04] um we have a sign maker of $10,000 that

[49:06] we're we didn't do in 2024 we're

[49:09] carrying it in 2025 guide rails of

[49:11] 75,000 interior Renovations of 50 uh

[49:14] Transformer and electrical work of

[49:17] 450,000 a rooftop unit of 15,000 carbon

[49:20] monoxide detector of 10 Trails of 25 two

[49:23] pickups of

[49:25] 120 engineering equipment of 49 and then

[49:28] welcome signs of

[49:30] 200,000 and then that equals about

[49:33] $11,000 and the difference is just some

[49:36] surpluses from completed

[49:41] projects there's a slight decrease next

[49:44] slide in the capital Levy over 2024

[49:48] before it starts um increasing and other

[49:51] Revenue includes um yeah other Revenue

[49:54] includes $150,000 for the Avil of older

[49:57] equipment as well as the $725,000 we saw

[50:00] being transferred from

[50:04] operating next debt financing is by far

[50:07] the largest number we will see in

[50:09] contributions the amounts in 2025 and

[50:11] 2026 relate to the new Operation Center

[50:14] and a new sand salt Dome and Primrose it

[50:17] should be noted that the future

[50:18] debenture costs for the building will be

[50:20] offset by development charges and we

[50:22] will also certainly be seeking any

[50:24] grants that we can apply to bring down

[50:26] the amount we have to

[50:29] borrow moving on to the capital work

[50:32] plan the capital work plan includes over

[50:34] $24 Million worth of work for 2025 with

[50:38] 3.5 million in regular work and over $20

[50:41] million we will consider in New Capital

[50:45] Investments some of the highlights of

[50:47] the different categories next SL under L

[50:50] improvements we have ongoing replacement

[50:52] of guide rails and intersection lighting

[50:54] of 150 Grand

[50:56] next

[50:57] one and the county welcome signs uh it's

[51:00] a $1 million project that we're

[51:02] spreading over five

[51:06] years won go

[51:11] down buildings we have extensive

[51:13] electrical work um to allow future

[51:17] charging of electric vehicles of

[51:20] $625,000 we have interior upgrades

[51:22] including updates the kitchen washrooms

[51:24] and storage space of 170 design work for

[51:27] replacement of the sand salt Doms of

[51:35] $800,000 just on the welome

[51:39] signs just on the welcome signs uh did

[51:42] we not go through a process of uh of

[51:44] different

[51:46] signage in recent

[51:52] memory Scott I think we're going to look

[51:55] at you on this one

[51:57] through you Warden uh absolutely so that

[51:59] was um facilitated through the economic

[52:02] development team and we started to

[52:05] install signs around the county and then

[52:07] there was a slight pause due to some

[52:09] unforeseen circumstances and we're

[52:11] simply picking it up again so there's

[52:12] several locations where we haven't

[52:14] installed the signs that Council

[52:15] ultimately supported at that point in

[52:18] time

[52:23] thank U moving on to equipment and

[52:25] Machinery we have have um GPS and data

[52:28] collector to be replaced for $49,000

[52:31] which is carried over from 2024 and

[52:33] replacement of a loader for

[52:35] 400,000 you might have noticed in your

[52:37] slide deck the vehicle section I seem to

[52:40] missed that um apologies on that we do

[52:43] have purchasing two snow plows at

[52:46] $440,000 each we have one patrol truck

[52:49] and two engineering trucks one of the

[52:51] engineering trucks is being carried over

[52:53] from 2024 it's already been ordered we

[52:55] just haven't received it yet

[52:57] and then the new capital Investments of

[52:59] course is the purchase of land and

[53:00] construction of the new Southern

[53:02] operations um Center cost or estimate

[53:05] just hang on there's a question the the

[53:08] vehicle one that's one of the questions

[53:10] I had asked and I did get confirmation

[53:12] just want to point out those are all

[53:13] Replacements there's no increase in any

[53:15] fleets at all and no yeah okay

[53:18] thanks uh sorry the costs um on the new

[53:21] Operation Center as we we will keep

[53:24] probably reiterate is their estimates

[53:26] only we be further refined as we move

[53:28] into that

[53:34] project okay summarizing operations in

[53:37] Fleet the status quo budget is

[53:40] 5.3% when you add in capital that

[53:42] becomes 4.8 which you won't actually see

[53:45] on any of these charts because I just

[53:47] didn't have time to switch them around

[53:48] so that you could see it um but with

[53:51] proposed additions the total increase is

[53:55] 5.55% and any other questions or

[53:58] anything for operations and

[54:01] Fleet none okay moving on to

[54:07] engineering other

[54:09] Revenue revenues are down $21,000 or

[54:14] 4.71% it includes this is essentially a

[54:18] transfer of capital transfer to Capital

[54:22] of Staff time spent on capital projects

[54:24] we've reduced it to better reflect with

[54:26] has actually been occurring other

[54:28] Revenue also includes load permits of

[54:30] $50,000 and aggregate royalty revenue of

[54:33] about 80

[54:34] grand next

[54:36] slide engineering is one of the few

[54:39] divisions where the expenditures are

[54:41] actually going down

[54:45] 3.95% these salaries and benefits

[54:48] include five full-time positions in two

[54:50] summer students and the larger increase

[54:53] than regular is because they did add a

[54:55] position in 2024 and this is the full

[54:57] full year impact of

[54:59] it other highlights include within admin

[55:02] in office

[55:04] oh sorry councilor ni yeah I may just be

[55:09] jumping ahead to the next slide but one

[55:10] of the things you've got down for for

[55:12] this is the road rationalization study

[55:15] and I just I I had I had thought we'd

[55:18] finish that Scott is there more work to

[55:20] be done on that study I thought we not

[55:22] only finished it but we approved it

[55:27] uh through you warden so yes the study

[55:29] is complete it was adopted by Council

[55:32] staff were left to update the numbers

[55:36] which is what uh our Treasurer noted

[55:38] earlier that um we have yet to update

[55:40] our 10-year Capital plan because we want

[55:41] to have current numbers and there's also

[55:43] some funds being carried for setting up

[55:46] any agreements that are necessary with

[55:47] any of the local tier municipalities

[55:50] where we need to have them in

[55:53] place thank you the total we have set as

[55:56] is

[55:57] $65,000 which includes the legal fees as

[55:59] Scott had said um also in a minute

[56:02] office is $75,000 carry over for the

[56:04] climate risk assessment which started at

[56:07] the end of last year vehicles and

[56:09] Equipment uh will see a slight decrease

[56:13] as uh we transition to electric

[56:20] vehicles next SL yeah did that

[56:23] one oh go back transfers thank you

[56:27] there's less Reliance on reserves in

[56:29] 2025 which makes sense with the admitt

[56:31] and office expenses that dropped um from

[56:35] 2024 we are using transfer from rate

[56:38] stabilization to offset the cost of the

[56:40] road rationalization study and the

[56:41] climate risk

[56:45] assessment proposed additions the net

[56:47] for 2025 is only

[56:49] $16,000 which slowly increases in coming

[56:53] years

[56:56] uh next slide so I do have in my notes

[57:00] the entire kind of summary that is in

[57:02] the package for each of the different

[57:04] positions I'm happy to read that over

[57:06] again or if everybody's okay I can just

[57:09] skip it and get to the financial

[57:12] details okay I think they're okay okay

[57:16] um so the additional cost for this

[57:18] position uh to start in March of 2025 is

[57:21] $98,000 for salaries and benefits uh

[57:25] with an additional 14 ,000 in support

[57:27] cost for year one and then 11,000 year

[57:29] after the annualized cost of the

[57:31] position is

[57:33] $119,500 and the cost is offset by new

[57:37] fees for application Revenue estimated

[57:39] at $100,000 shown there under new to

[57:43] 2025 within the previously committed we

[57:46] have a as part of the ongoing digital

[57:49] modernization project new asset and

[57:51] maintenance management software programs

[57:54] will be implemented in 2025 to allow for

[57:56] better data management and Reporting the

[57:59] annual fees are for part of the year

[58:00] only it will be offset by reserves over

[58:03] several years it be as we phase in that

[58:05] the cost the impact on the levy the

[58:08] total annual fees are approximately

[58:10] $120,000 with a net cost of

[58:13] 2025 of

[58:14] 13,360 to

[58:16] engineering I have exactly the same

[58:19] notes for both

[58:21] [Music]

[58:22] um courthouse uh for for facilities

[58:26] because facilities is sharing this and

[58:27] then also under Finance because we're

[58:29] we're using it so we're splitting the

[58:30] cost 40 40

[58:33] 20% under new to 2025 is the um planning

[58:38] and revenue fees that are anticipated

[58:41] through updates the bylaw fee the

[58:43] intention is that the revenue will

[58:44] offset that new position related to the

[58:46] application

[58:48] review um and then the second phase of

[58:50] the climate risk assessment we have in

[58:52] there to be funded from rate

[58:54] stabilization any questions on the new

[58:56] items in

[58:58] engineering councelor

[59:01] Taylor through you Warden I just think

[59:03] it'd be a good idea if we quickly talked

[59:05] again about this position in particular

[59:07] and if Mr Burns could just chat again

[59:11] about what and why and it's important

[59:14] because this is a big part of the budget

[59:17] and I'd like to talk about each of them

[59:19] as we go through uh

[59:24] today um through you w so this one's

[59:27] pretty pretty straightforward um you

[59:30] you've heard us talk over the years how

[59:32] development is increasing and we have to

[59:34] perform development review and it's

[59:37] something that generally is done um by

[59:39] the engineering team somewhat side of

[59:41] desk we do have one person who is

[59:43] dedicated to that and um the manager

[59:45] also spends an extreme amount of time

[59:48] working on it as well and simply put uh

[59:51] with the resources we have we cannot um

[59:53] deliver within a reasonable time frame a

[59:55] qual quality um set of comments so we

[59:59] put some work into looking at what we

[1:00:02] would need which would be this uh

[1:00:04] individual this this position being

[1:00:05] filled and put a fair bit of work the

[1:00:08] team did a lot of work in the uh fees

[1:00:10] bylaw to ensure that we're capturing

[1:00:11] fees that previously were not included

[1:00:14] and the $100,000 that's included in the

[1:00:16] budget as a revenue is is a conservative

[1:00:18] number um our estimates go as high as

[1:00:21] 187,000 somewhere in that ballpark

[1:00:23] depending on the amount of development

[1:00:25] that we're seeing so we do expect this

[1:00:28] position to essentially be paid for

[1:00:30] through the work that it's doing and

[1:00:32] also providing a better service with

[1:00:34] respect to um turnaround because one of

[1:00:36] the delays um certainly I've said this

[1:00:38] before and not ashamed to to state it

[1:00:40] that um we we become part of the the

[1:00:43] delay in that overall um development

[1:00:45] application process for folks and we

[1:00:47] want to provide a better

[1:00:50] service just just a question Scott the

[1:00:53] the person who would fill this job has

[1:00:56] what kind of skills or

[1:00:59] background through you Warden uh they

[1:01:01] would very likely be a certified

[1:01:03] engineering technologist or an engineer

[1:01:05] who has background potentially in Urban

[1:01:08] Design um and maybe development

[1:01:11] construction those types of things so

[1:01:13] they'd be very well versed in the

[1:01:15] science behind development as well as

[1:01:17] the actual inner workings of

[1:01:19] construction and those types of things

[1:01:20] so similar skill sets to what we have in

[1:01:24] house we just don't have frankly enough

[1:01:26] of it

[1:01:30] okay anything further

[1:01:32] Todd I'm just thinking again and while

[1:01:35] we're all here whenever we go through

[1:01:37] the salary piece um you know it's such a

[1:01:41] personal thing but at the same time when

[1:01:43] I think about what you just described as

[1:01:45] who's qualified and then the

[1:01:46] difficulties we've had getting people

[1:01:50] again I always question are we going to

[1:01:52] get

[1:01:53] somebody because it feels like we're low

[1:02:00] um we shall see we're we're we're

[1:02:03] hopeful I mean we put a lot of energy

[1:02:05] into reviewing what compensation should

[1:02:07] be and and the total compensation

[1:02:09] package that the county can provide and

[1:02:12] um I think it's fair to say I'm looking

[1:02:14] I'm looking at uh director Thompson that

[1:02:16] it's fair to say that we are much more

[1:02:18] competitive than than we once were and

[1:02:21] therefore we are hopeful yes

[1:02:28] yes ran if I can just add through you um

[1:02:31] Warden um just want to remind folks that

[1:02:35] from um from a wage perspective all of

[1:02:38] our positions go through a formal job

[1:02:40] evaluation process um and through that

[1:02:43] job evaluation process it gets graded

[1:02:46] and then there's a wage that's that's

[1:02:47] attached to it so it's not really up to

[1:02:50] um department heads to determine uh

[1:02:53] salary we do have a formalized process

[1:02:55] for that

[1:02:59] anything

[1:03:01] further yes Todd ever so quickly what

[1:03:04] will we do if we determine that we're

[1:03:07] low in the marketplace do we have

[1:03:09] another fund or how do we go about that

[1:03:11] what do we

[1:03:12] do Rohan do you want to answer

[1:03:17] that so uh great question for you chair

[1:03:21] um so there's a couple of options uh for

[1:03:25] us to take take a look at uh one would

[1:03:27] be a review and revision of the actual

[1:03:30] um

[1:03:32] job um the job description uh to see if

[1:03:36] whether or not all the required skills

[1:03:39] qualifications all that sort of stuff

[1:03:41] really ma match what we're what we're

[1:03:44] requiring uh so that's that's one thing

[1:03:46] for us to look at um the other thing I

[1:03:49] think more broadly uh for the county to

[1:03:53] to take a look at Council to take a look

[1:03:55] at um is sort of the the the the

[1:03:58] challenge that we're up against in terms

[1:04:00] of competition right for talent and so

[1:04:03] folks will recall that uh when we did

[1:04:05] our last wage market review um Council

[1:04:09] approved that um against our comparators

[1:04:12] to to come in uh at the 55th percentile

[1:04:15] and I understand that that um

[1:04:17] historically was above uh what the

[1:04:20] county uh normally did I believe we came

[1:04:22] in normally at the 50th percentile um

[1:04:24] and so um in this in this budget package

[1:04:28] uh proposal this year uh folks will note

[1:04:30] that there

[1:04:32] is uh monies in in the budget to to

[1:04:35] conduct another wage market review this

[1:04:37] year we had agreed to do that on a on a

[1:04:39] four-year period uh but Council um at

[1:04:43] that point in time will have the

[1:04:44] opportunity to decide if whether or not

[1:04:46] we want to continue uh at the 55th

[1:04:48] percentile or if Council would like to

[1:04:52] um increase that percentile um to from

[1:04:55] to help make the county be a little bit

[1:04:57] more competitive from a total

[1:05:00] compensation perspective in the uh

[1:05:02] Recruitment and talent uh

[1:05:05] peace councelor

[1:05:07] McAn um thanks for that answer you may

[1:05:10] have addressed my question I'm just

[1:05:11] going to ask it anyway just in case um

[1:05:13] so a lot of employers will have pay

[1:05:15] bands right with uh a minimal salary and

[1:05:18] an upper salary and then there's room

[1:05:21] for the Department to negotiate in

[1:05:23] between um the the figure so this is a

[1:05:27] general question but I just want to use

[1:05:29] the development reviewer as an example

[1:05:30] so the

[1:05:55] that's fine I'm just trying to wrap my

[1:05:57] head around

[1:06:00] process um I can actually answer that

[1:06:02] question we budget at the middle of the

[1:06:04] grade because that typically in it's

[1:06:07] it's a guess right sometimes the people

[1:06:09] come in lower some people come in higher

[1:06:11] so when we budget we budget the middle

[1:06:12] and then in the next year we adjust

[1:06:14] depending on where they

[1:06:19] land councelor Nick yeah I appreciated

[1:06:22] councelor Taylor's questions but I

[1:06:24] thought I heard at the beginning

[1:06:26] that he declared a conflict of interest

[1:06:27] if any subject of salaries comes up

[1:06:30] didn't isn't that what you said Todd or

[1:06:33] maybe I misheard but I thought I heard

[1:06:35] him say he had a conflict of

[1:06:38] interest I thank you for bringing that

[1:06:40] forward I do have a conflict of interest

[1:06:43] however I think over um certain

[1:06:46] positions it's my right as a counselor

[1:06:47] to ask questions about hiring so I will

[1:06:50] do so if you'd like to file something

[1:06:52] you're welcome to do so I I just I

[1:06:58] miss when there's a vote I will not be

[1:07:01] voting on salary

[1:07:03] increases Sonia can you give us some

[1:07:05] clarity just on this so we're

[1:07:08] clear uh as

[1:07:10] to whether this is an issue at this

[1:07:14] moment what is an issue the conflict of

[1:07:17] interest in In fairness Madam I I

[1:07:20] don't think that's a fair question to

[1:07:21] ask

[1:07:26] Warden I think it's it's up to me and if

[1:07:28] people in the room disagree with the way

[1:07:30] I'm conducting myself they can they'd

[1:07:32] have to file with the Integrity

[1:07:34] commissioner but my intention is to

[1:07:36] continue to ask questions and

[1:07:37] participate in it when there's a vote

[1:07:39] you will not be particip there vote I

[1:07:41] will not be

[1:07:42] voting

[1:07:46] okay can we um keep going then any more

[1:07:50] questions on this

[1:07:54] person just a quick question on what the

[1:07:56] annualized salary is because there's two

[1:07:58] different numbers the one on the slide

[1:07:59] deck is 112 and the one in the budget

[1:08:02] documents is 119 is the 119 the accurate

[1:08:07] figure the 112 on the slide deck is the

[1:08:10] cost for

[1:08:11] 20125 and the 119 is the annualized cost

[1:08:15] so 2025 is only the 112 is for Mark from

[1:08:19] March to December okay understood thank

[1:08:21] you

[1:08:26] else no go ahead then

[1:08:29] Amy okay uh so no other questions on the

[1:08:32] proposed addition so we can move on to

[1:08:36] Capital similar to other divisions we

[1:08:39] see a value of the capital asset fund

[1:08:41] decrease over the next few years before

[1:08:42] it starts to increase

[1:08:46] again next

[1:08:49] Slide the prior year carry forward

[1:08:52] includes

[1:08:53] $320,000 for a covert that we shifted um

[1:08:56] into a future year some payment

[1:08:57] preservation work and design work for

[1:09:00] future stru future structure replacement

[1:09:03] and

[1:09:03] Roads and the balance of savings from

[1:09:06] 2024

[1:09:09] projects moving on to Capital

[1:09:11] contributions engineering is one of the

[1:09:13] very few divisions that have dedicated

[1:09:15] government transfers for Capital we have

[1:09:18] included Canada community building fund

[1:09:21] of

[1:09:22] 2,699 25 and the antario Community

[1:09:25] infrastructure fund of sorry

[1:09:30] $734 um we were actually expecting a

[1:09:33] decrease in the oif and we did get an

[1:09:35] increase and we included that in the

[1:09:38] budget other

[1:09:40] [Music]

[1:09:46] contributions no too far oh go back up

[1:09:50] one more it's touchy um other Revenue

[1:09:54] includes contributions from from

[1:09:55] Developers for second line and duff duff

[1:09:57] Road 109 realignment we have transfers

[1:10:00] from rate stabilization incl rate

[1:10:02] stabilization Reserve included for the

[1:10:04] environmental assessment of duffen Road

[1:10:06] 109 and lastly we have some development

[1:10:08] charges for duffen Road

[1:10:10] 25 moving on to Capital work we have

[1:10:13] $1.1 million planned work for

[1:10:18] engineering next slide this includes uh

[1:10:22] carryover the environmental assessment

[1:10:23] for duffen Road 109 of 600,000 which is

[1:10:26] to be funded from reserves as the actual

[1:10:29] cost is still to be determined the

[1:10:30] design and investigative work for second

[1:10:32] line and Def Road 109 realignment of

[1:10:35] 1.05 million design and invest

[1:10:38] investigative work of Road 109 for 2026

[1:10:41] work and resurfacing of 13.7 km of duon

[1:10:45] Road 25 at a cost of $6.5 million this6

[1:10:49] and a half does include a million do

[1:10:51] approximately a million dollars for the

[1:10:52] addition of buffer Bike Line bike

[1:10:57] planes structures includes work on uh

[1:11:01] four culverts at a cost of 2.38 million

[1:11:04] futuree design work of

[1:11:06] $132,000 and small structural repairs of

[1:11:10] 102 just a question Amy do you think uh

[1:11:14] Premier Ford will be coming after our

[1:11:15] bike

[1:11:19] lane I'm not answering

[1:11:22] that um summarizing engineers wrench has

[1:11:26] a

[1:11:32] question thanks um I I actually I

[1:11:35] actually have a serious question about

[1:11:37] bike Lanes um and I'm curious Beyond 25

[1:11:42] being a county

[1:11:44] road is is there could could uh Somebody

[1:11:47] explain why we would put bike

[1:11:51] Lanes there and not on another road that

[1:11:55] perhaps has less traffic and or provides

[1:11:59] much more

[1:12:01] Scenic uh views and and a

[1:12:09] ride Mr Burns would you like to answer

[1:12:12] this glad to um through you warden

[1:12:16] so um it's it's kind of a point of you

[1:12:19] need to start somewhere so years ago

[1:12:21] when we started doing the pave shoulder

[1:12:23] program which can be used for multiple

[1:12:24] things including cycling there would be

[1:12:27] sort of seemingly random parts of the

[1:12:29] road Network where you happen to be

[1:12:30] doing Capital work and you would build

[1:12:32] the shoulders out in line with the

[1:12:33] standard of the day that was articulated

[1:12:35] through the duffing County active

[1:12:37] Transportation Trails plan so we did

[1:12:40] that now it's starts to look a fair bit

[1:12:42] more normal because those things are

[1:12:43] actually interconnected amongst one

[1:12:44] another this particular piece and even

[1:12:47] the additional width is coming from the

[1:12:49] approved Transportation master plan that

[1:12:51] came through as part of the U Municipal

[1:12:53] comprehensive review that you may recall

[1:12:55] and it gave us guidance as to where we

[1:12:57] should be doing certain types of work um

[1:13:00] around active transportation and this is

[1:13:02] one of those examples so it is from Duff

[1:13:05] from Road 10 to 89 so it is kind of an

[1:13:07] isolated portion but that's a portion of

[1:13:09] road that we are working on that calls

[1:13:10] for this and therefore it is the right

[1:13:12] time to do it um but it is important I'm

[1:13:15] glad that council is aware that this

[1:13:17] additional work is going to cost

[1:13:20] approximately a million dollars on top

[1:13:22] of what that that project would would

[1:13:24] regularly cost we're going from

[1:13:25] approximately a 9 M wide platform to a

[1:13:28] 12 or 12 and 1/2 meter wide platform um

[1:13:31] so this is kind of the first piece of or

[1:13:34] element of the uh Transportation master

[1:13:36] plan that we're implementing and I'm I'm

[1:13:38] I'm glad that everybody's becoming aware

[1:13:39] of it because if anybody wants to have

[1:13:41] any further discussion on it now would

[1:13:42] be the

[1:13:46] time councelor

[1:13:49] Garretts Phil are you finished or would

[1:13:52] you like to carry

[1:13:53] on he if if I might just a clarification

[1:13:58] the the cost isn't

[1:14:01] really my biggest

[1:14:04] concern it's it's whether or not that's

[1:14:06] the most appropriate place to put a bike

[1:14:09] lane and I'm going to reference a

[1:14:12] conversation that we had in 2024 about

[1:14:15] traffic in meanon with horse and Buggies

[1:14:18] and where it's going um and I I'm just

[1:14:22] I'm just not sure if putting a bike lane

[1:14:24] on a County Road from a safety

[1:14:27] perspective is the best

[1:14:30] idea go ahead scun through you Warden um

[1:14:34] so so that would

[1:14:36] be um what would be driving the design

[1:14:38] here so I I'll try to describe it as

[1:14:41] best I can so you'll have your your

[1:14:42] typical traveled portion of the road

[1:14:44] with the center line and the white fog

[1:14:46] lines um so if we look at one side of

[1:14:49] road you've got your Center Line your

[1:14:50] white fog line and then approximately

[1:14:53] ballpark a meter from there there'll be

[1:14:54] another white line and beyond that white

[1:14:56] line is where the bike lane is so it's

[1:14:58] actually buffered from the the traveled

[1:15:01] portion of the road intentionally such

[1:15:04] that it can function well even in a

[1:15:06] situation where there might be increased

[1:15:08] traffic and that is the standard of the

[1:15:10] day that seems to be working in many

[1:15:12] locations because there is a real push

[1:15:13] to have

[1:15:15] interconnectivity um between settlement

[1:15:18] areas essentially everywhere and

[1:15:20] depending on what the road is um you'll

[1:15:23] see that kind of a structure come out

[1:15:24] whereas some of them still call for our

[1:15:26] standard pave shoulder width which um

[1:15:29] would be on a lower volume road so in

[1:15:31] short the specific response the geometry

[1:15:34] of the response is in line with um

[1:15:37] contemplation towards safety on that

[1:15:39] particular

[1:15:44] Road okay um councelor Garrett's next

[1:15:47] and then councelor white yeah just just

[1:15:49] quickly for Mr Burns is there a plan

[1:15:51] then in the tenure Capital to do the

[1:15:53] southern portion so that so that it goes

[1:15:56] all the way to Grand Valley yep so so

[1:15:58] through you Warden yes so any time that

[1:16:01] we would and I can't recall you have to

[1:16:02] forgive me I don't remember the all of

[1:16:04] the details of the maps that are within

[1:16:05] the transportation master plan but our

[1:16:08] intent would certainly be to not leave

[1:16:10] it as an island and I am 100% confident

[1:16:14] that the transportation master plan did

[1:16:15] not ask for it to be an island so it it

[1:16:18] it will be over time you'll see that

[1:16:20] whole Road be built

[1:16:23] out thank you white thankk you um I mean

[1:16:27] I struggle a little bit with this given

[1:16:30] the section I mean 10 10 to 89 I travel

[1:16:33] that road a lot I mean Philip's right I

[1:16:37] mean it's not the right spot for one I

[1:16:39] don't think and I don't think you would

[1:16:41] ever get any use or anybody would take

[1:16:43] use of it and when you look at if if

[1:16:46] you're talking about interconnectivity

[1:16:48] of

[1:16:49] communities there's there's no Community

[1:16:51] to interconnect to going north out of

[1:16:54] there you go up and you go up as far as

[1:16:56] 89 there's no communities along 89

[1:16:58] unless you're in shelburn I would think

[1:17:00] that money would be better spent the the

[1:17:03] the nice bike ride and the where you

[1:17:06] would get a lot of use would be south of

[1:17:08] 10 down to 109 um which is down the road

[1:17:12] somewhere I I so I struggle with that

[1:17:14] and and I struggle with it because we

[1:17:17] just there's been a fair bit of County

[1:17:19] Road work done in mton recently knowing

[1:17:22] the issues we have around menites and

[1:17:24] whatnot and none of that type of stuff

[1:17:26] was considered for those stretches so

[1:17:30] you know and even up there I would I

[1:17:33] would struggle with some of it in some

[1:17:34] of the areas but not in others so I I

[1:17:36] don't I don't know if that's the right

[1:17:38] spot to spend a million dollars on a on

[1:17:40] a bike Lan

[1:17:44] thanks go ahead uh through you warden so

[1:17:46] so certainly and that I'm glad we're

[1:17:48] talking but it again the the reason that

[1:17:50] it's that piece is because we're there

[1:17:52] doing Capital anyhow so to come back to

[1:17:55] it at some future date would be um much

[1:17:59] more costly it wouldn't be the same

[1:18:01] quality um etc etc so if we were going

[1:18:04] to do it we would we would do it when

[1:18:06] we're Paving that out and ultimately

[1:18:08] over time the whole Road would receive

[1:18:11] that treatment so it is simply a

[1:18:13] starting point in isolation does it look

[1:18:15] odd yes if we left it simply as that

[1:18:18] Island yes that would be a strange

[1:18:20] decision but that is not the intent but

[1:18:23] certainly if Council wanted to change

[1:18:25] the direction on something as to whether

[1:18:27] or not we're building out 25 um we could

[1:18:30] do that this is simply the the starting

[1:18:31] point as far as interconnectivity goes

[1:18:34] um you know I mentioned settlement areas

[1:18:35] and those types of things it go it goes

[1:18:36] farther than that there are a lot of

[1:18:38] people the the networks for cycling go

[1:18:40] far beyond simply you know Orangeville

[1:18:42] to shelburn for a lot of people and I

[1:18:44] think that's the overall intent for

[1:18:46] things is to have the bulk of um sort of

[1:18:49] easy access routes accessible for

[1:18:52] cycling um and this is simply part of

[1:18:53] that so again this came through all the

[1:18:55] consultation from the TMP um was adopted

[1:18:58] by Council which is why this is here and

[1:18:59] and again I'm very glad that we're

[1:19:01] talking about

[1:19:02] it councelor white thanks thanks Warden

[1:19:06] um yeah I I I understand the logic and I

[1:19:09] don't disagree with any of the logic but

[1:19:11] where I struggle with is the life cycle

[1:19:13] of that pavement is what 20 years going

[1:19:15] to be

[1:19:18] 20 um with with the the way that we're

[1:19:21] taking care of our roads now we may see

[1:19:22] some roads that go beyond that yeah um

[1:19:25] for a period of time we're seeing 12 to

[1:19:26] 15 years and now we're we're we're

[1:19:28] expecting to see 20 25 years maybe even

[1:19:30] more in some cases particularly because

[1:19:32] we have preventative maintenance

[1:19:34] programs when we're doing multi-lift

[1:19:36] asphalt we can go back and the next

[1:19:37] Capital cost is far less because it's a

[1:19:39] a peel and pave as opposed to a full

[1:19:41] reconstruction Etc so that's a long

[1:19:43] answer but so the point of my question

[1:19:45] would be if we're assuming 20-year

[1:19:47] lifespan I don't I don't see a need for

[1:19:49] it 20 years from now either so you know

[1:19:52] that's sort of where my thought process

[1:19:54] is with that just my thought councilor

[1:19:58] mlan yeah thank you um and I can

[1:20:01] appreciate the position you're in Scott

[1:20:03] because I think uh the reason that you

[1:20:06] have put this in the budget was because

[1:20:08] it went through the MCR process so it

[1:20:10] was informed through a process that was

[1:20:13] also approved by this Council so um

[1:20:16] you're not pulling this out of your hat

[1:20:17] you're going by a plan that's been

[1:20:18] already approved so I want to recognize

[1:20:21] the position you're in but I do I do

[1:20:23] agree with the comments that were made

[1:20:24] that this

[1:20:25] um on first blush doesn't seem to make a

[1:20:28] lot of sense in terms of where we might

[1:20:29] want to allocate our resources from a

[1:20:31] priority standpoint um I know that when

[1:20:33] we've had broad discussions not just

[1:20:36] with you but with with everyone we

[1:20:38] talked about widening roads where there

[1:20:40] are more slow moving vehicles and there

[1:20:43] there was a the question was always

[1:20:44] raised around whether we had the funding

[1:20:46] to do it um and here we've got some

[1:20:48] funding to do a large stretch that to me

[1:20:51] doesn't seem to um have a lot of slow

[1:20:53] moving vehicles on it so I would agree

[1:20:55] with councelor white Council wrench that

[1:20:58] perhaps there might be an opportunity to

[1:20:59] save a little bit of money on this

[1:21:01] project um I agree I don't even see in

[1:21:04] in 20 years or 10 years that we would

[1:21:06] even need to go back and add this Lane

[1:21:08] in but um I think this is one

[1:21:10] opportunity where we could potentially

[1:21:12] reinvest into other areas of the

[1:21:15] county thank you Amy um if I may I just

[1:21:21] uh wanted to say because of gas tax

[1:21:24] money and development charges if we were

[1:21:27] to reduce this project by $1 million we

[1:21:29] would only save $100,000 of tax

[1:21:35] levy so

[1:21:38] Garretts but Amy if we were to use it in

[1:21:41] another location that would we would

[1:21:44] realize

[1:21:46] the rather than cutting it it it just

[1:21:49] switching locations which I think is

[1:21:51] what some people are suggesting that

[1:21:52] would

[1:21:55] the gas tax could still be used for that

[1:21:57] project uh yes it could um we only have

[1:22:02] this is the only project we have gas tax

[1:22:04] applied to in 2025 it's the only project

[1:22:07] but yeah we could use the gas tax in

[1:22:09] future years I understand the concerns I

[1:22:12] understand why we're doing it like the

[1:22:13] efficiency of doing it while we're doing

[1:22:14] the road work so I think that's great

[1:22:17] where I struggle a little bit is doing

[1:22:19] that in the same year we're we're doing

[1:22:21] an active Transportation master plan

[1:22:24] because it's

[1:22:25] and I understand why you're doing it but

[1:22:26] but it could be that the trans the

[1:22:28] active Transportation master

[1:22:29] plan uh doesn't see a need for for bike

[1:22:34] Lanes in that

[1:22:35] location um and then there is the

[1:22:38] council mlim brought up and I I did get

[1:22:40] a nudge and a whisper from counselor

[1:22:42] Hall there there have been other

[1:22:43] locations where uh safety concerns

[1:22:47] related to Traffic such as the slow

[1:22:49] moving vehicles and some

[1:22:51] sidewalks um

[1:22:54] potentially could the money could be

[1:22:56] used for some of those projects so I'm

[1:22:58] struggling with this one but the I just

[1:23:01] um with can you speak to why we would do

[1:23:04] it ahead of the active Transportation

[1:23:07] master

[1:23:10] plan uh through you warden so the

[1:23:13] transportation master plan touched

[1:23:17] on primary routes I I forget the exact

[1:23:21] terminology but generally looked at some

[1:23:22] primary routes for active transportation

[1:23:25] um that would then inform further

[1:23:28] details in a reconstruction of a new

[1:23:32] active Transportation plan so the

[1:23:34] intention there would be that the

[1:23:36] elements from the Transportation master

[1:23:37] plan would stay um and it would it would

[1:23:41] build on that of course that is to the

[1:23:44] discretion of of council absolutely I

[1:23:46] just want to make it clear also that if

[1:23:47] we choose to not do this particular

[1:23:50] piece we are actively changing the

[1:23:52] routing of the current trans

[1:23:54] Transportation master plan and the

[1:23:56] vision that it was built on which at

[1:23:58] this moment I can't recite all of the

[1:24:00] parameters that it came to its

[1:24:02] conclusions on but it would have it

[1:24:04] would have included a look at local a

[1:24:06] look at provincial look at all of these

[1:24:08] things to try to build a fabric and if

[1:24:11] we start to make if we make a decision

[1:24:14] tonight on this I just want to make sure

[1:24:16] that we're not subjectively applying

[1:24:18] those those studies so maybe it means a

[1:24:20] fundamental shift to that particular

[1:24:22] route maybe it's off I'm not exactly

[1:24:24] sure how we deal with that maybe that's

[1:24:25] a future discussion but it does have the

[1:24:28] potential to change a lot of things that

[1:24:30] we thought were

[1:24:31] decided I just I do I am hearing some

[1:24:34] significant concern on this item though

[1:24:36] could I just add one other thing with

[1:24:38] just anecdotally I think it will be used

[1:24:41] well used because you know living in the

[1:24:44] area there there are a lot of bike users

[1:24:47] east west across County Road 10 that do

[1:24:50] go uh North I don't know where they're

[1:24:52] going to in the north but they do go

[1:24:53] north on

[1:24:54] 125 so so yeah and maybe it's just a

[1:24:57] loop but I I think it will be used like

[1:24:59] it's used the roads used now I don't

[1:25:01] know if the folks from Grand Valley uh

[1:25:03] or if you even have any numbers but you

[1:25:05] you know you do see bikes there so I

[1:25:07] think it'll it will be used but it's I

[1:25:10] have the same concerns as everybody else

[1:25:11] and maybe it's not the best and that's

[1:25:13] where I struggle

[1:25:14] because it's the efficiency of doing it

[1:25:17] when we're doing the road work so I'm

[1:25:18] not I'm

[1:25:21] torn

[1:25:22] Scott um and might it might be a case of

[1:25:25] if you build it they they will come

[1:25:27] which is a lot of you know active

[1:25:28] Transportation but but Warden Herer

[1:25:30] absolutely I'm not I'm not trying to

[1:25:32] just simply defend keep I just want

[1:25:34] Council to be aware of of the domino

[1:25:37] effect that this will create it'll have

[1:25:38] to be an Engaged conversation at some

[1:25:40] point likely through the active

[1:25:42] Transportation plan where we would

[1:25:44] intentionally rejig this particular

[1:25:46] route and acknowledge that we've changed

[1:25:47] it that that that's

[1:25:50] all councelor

[1:25:53] Mills thanks

[1:25:54] more of a technical question just in

[1:25:56] terms of of funding Amy a couple of

[1:25:58] minutes ago you had mentioned that this

[1:25:59] was the only project that that we had

[1:26:01] identified for gas tax dollars so I I

[1:26:05] just want to make make sure I mean if if

[1:26:07] some counselors are thinking that we

[1:26:08] could essentially swap the million

[1:26:10] dollars that's earmarked for this

[1:26:11] project in the draft budget to something

[1:26:14] else which hasn't yet been identified

[1:26:16] this year uh as as as you know being um

[1:26:20] available for for gas tax funding is it

[1:26:23] as easy as doing that or does that mean

[1:26:25] that we would have to bump some other

[1:26:27] project off to next year and and make

[1:26:29] that sort of eligible for gas tax

[1:26:33] dollars uh three you Warden uh the gas

[1:26:36] tax I think we

[1:26:37] have I can't remember it's three years

[1:26:39] or five years to use it so we can bump

[1:26:43] the gas tax money into future years I

[1:26:46] off the top of my head I can't recall

[1:26:48] what is in the 2026 capital budget for

[1:26:51] roads but I know there's not a lot lot

[1:26:54] of different rows the next few years

[1:26:56] because we're focusing on

[1:27:00] 109 okay so so for example say it was

[1:27:03] council's wish to to you know scrap this

[1:27:06] this particular project and to move that

[1:27:07] million dollars to to build a bike lane

[1:27:09] or or expanded with on on another road

[1:27:12] somewhere in the county and the wish

[1:27:13] were to do that this year can we do

[1:27:17] that um through you Warden Mr Burns is

[1:27:20] shaking his head no I I thought that was

[1:27:23] the case I I just don't want anybody

[1:27:25] thinking that it's as simple as just

[1:27:27] moving money from this to something

[1:27:29] else Scott go ahead through you Warden

[1:27:33] it is not that simple that's

[1:27:37] all anything further I think we' pretty

[1:27:40] well beat this one to death oh Bardon

[1:27:43] white I mean counselor white former

[1:27:47] former Warden that guy that guy that

[1:27:49] used to be um I I I don't disagree that

[1:27:53] it's you know it's it's as easy as you

[1:27:55] know just changing a line on a on a

[1:27:57] paper but I also don't agree that if

[1:27:59] it's a project that we don't think

[1:28:00] should move forward that we spend money

[1:28:02] just because somebody gave it to us and

[1:28:05] I think that's one of the things people

[1:28:07] get uh hesitant about when they talk

[1:28:10] about politics at all levels is like you

[1:28:13] know this this this notion that some

[1:28:16] people have that we have money therefore

[1:28:19] we must spend it you know if i' I'd

[1:28:22] rather take that money we can't move it

[1:28:24] out of that project then I'd rather do

[1:28:26] more Lane kilometers of the actual Road

[1:28:29] for example if if we're hamstrung by

[1:28:33] where we can spend it then instead of

[1:28:35] going from 10 North maybe we go down to

[1:28:37] five and go north uh you know with

[1:28:40] actual road work for people to actually

[1:28:43] travel on or something like that I don't

[1:28:45] but I think if we're looking at spending

[1:28:48] it just because we have it I think

[1:28:49] that's the wrong

[1:28:52] approach thank you

[1:28:54] okay let's um how do we proceed here

[1:29:03] Amy oh yes sorry just just point of kind

[1:29:06] of a Clarity if we decided not to do the

[1:29:08] bike lanes and so we that be saving us a

[1:29:10] million dollars we could roll that

[1:29:12] forward to a project NE next

[1:29:18] year right and we wouldn't lose any of

[1:29:20] the tax gas tax yeah absolutely we don't

[1:29:23] have to use all our gas tax each year so

[1:29:26] from my perspective that the discussion

[1:29:28] here is we're thinking that we can

[1:29:30] utilize this

[1:29:31] money uh at a better level higher level

[1:29:34] that's going to be more effective than

[1:29:37] than perhaps on the bike Lanes going up

[1:29:39] from 10 Side Road 289 at this point in

[1:29:43] time so then I I don't know what we do

[1:29:47] to do we need would we need a motion to

[1:29:50] delay that to give direction

[1:29:58] yes thanks Madam Warden uh if Council

[1:30:02] would like to remove the $100,000 from

[1:30:05] the tax levy that's related to this

[1:30:07] project then um just sort of by

[1:30:09] consensus we can we can um do that and

[1:30:12] Amy will keep a running list of all of

[1:30:14] those items and when we've gone through

[1:30:15] the whole budget she will have a list

[1:30:17] with the amounts of each item and then

[1:30:19] at the end you can vote on the total of

[1:30:21] those items rather than making motions

[1:30:23] throughout the proc process it's just a

[1:30:24] little bit easier if uh we keep a

[1:30:27] running total and then you vote on them

[1:30:28] all at the

[1:30:30] end I like that okay okay so we'll we'll

[1:30:35] have that as a as a oh yes Mr

[1:30:39] Burns sorry Warden if I'm becoming a

[1:30:41] nuisance so so I I think if if Council

[1:30:44] wants to do that um great and I think

[1:30:46] what we would do is very likely go back

[1:30:49] to sort of our standard cross-section so

[1:30:51] there would still be a paved shoulder

[1:30:53] but it wouldn't be

[1:30:54] as extensive if that makes sense to

[1:30:57] council because there's multiple reasons

[1:31:00] why you may want to PVE a shoulder side

[1:31:01] from cycling Etc so we'd probably revert

[1:31:03] back to our standard which um you see

[1:31:06] mono on road 18 several other roads um

[1:31:09] so that would probably so you'd still

[1:31:10] see something out there not just to the

[1:31:12] the level at which we were talking when

[1:31:14] we first

[1:31:15] started okay so Amy you've got note then

[1:31:19] all right we'll let Amy carry

[1:31:22] on uh thank you thank you okay so I

[1:31:25] think we left off on

[1:31:27] uh summarizing engineering the status

[1:31:31] quo being

[1:31:32] 3.83% with capital that becomes 1.08 and

[1:31:36] with the proposed additions it's 1.42%

[1:31:39] of course the change we made today is

[1:31:40] not included in these

[1:31:49] numbers climate and energy

[1:31:57] okay climate energy their expenses are

[1:31:59] down $935,000 or 60%

[1:32:04] that is because there's one item in

[1:32:07] admin in one item in Service delivery in

[1:32:11] admin I think that we have actually in

[1:32:14] 2025

[1:32:16] new um they include three full-time

[1:32:19] positions and two contract um summer

[1:32:22] intern positions and salaries and

[1:32:24] benefits are up a little bit extra

[1:32:26] because we have two admin staff and

[1:32:29] operations that we have redistributed

[1:32:30] amongst all the divisions so there's a

[1:32:33] slight increase there because of

[1:32:34] that other

[1:32:37] highlights um advertising promotions and

[1:32:39] special events are

[1:32:41] $30,500 Consulting fees are $25,000 and

[1:32:45] corporate climate training is

[1:32:48] $5,000 there's an aster beside climate

[1:32:52] training because the plan was to have

[1:32:54] the majority of the work done in

[1:32:56] 2024 but due to unforeseen circumstances

[1:32:59] the vendor on the vendor side they were

[1:33:02] not able to get all the work done and

[1:33:04] there's about $7,000 that needs to be

[1:33:06] carried into

[1:33:09] 20205 and because we've already raised

[1:33:11] those those tax dollars in 2024 I'm

[1:33:14] proposing that we adjust the 2025 budget

[1:33:18] for increasing the training to by $7,000

[1:33:22] but also having that being funded from

[1:33:24] the rate stabilization

[1:33:27] Reserve Service delivery includes an

[1:33:30] increase in the rural water quality

[1:33:32] program to $60,000 and support for

[1:33:35] experimental acres and youth climate

[1:33:37] activation Circle which totals

[1:33:43] $224,000 other highlights in it and

[1:33:46] Communications software costs include

[1:33:48] annual fees for energy management

[1:33:49] software of

[1:33:50] $10,000 energy modeling software of ,000

[1:33:54] and Adobe licenses of 3,000 I just

[1:33:56] wanted to talk about the Adobe licenses

[1:33:59] the licensing model for Adobe has

[1:34:01] changed and so there's a lot of

[1:34:03] increases across all um it in a lot of

[1:34:06] Divisions because we now have to pay an

[1:34:07] annual fee whereas we just used to have

[1:34:11] to buy the license and hope it lasts

[1:34:16] forever yeah um the net next Slide the

[1:34:20] net increase uh for proposed additions

[1:34:22] is $888,000 in 2025 most climate and

[1:34:26] energy additions are Project based with

[1:34:29] the exception of the staff which are not

[1:34:30] being proposed until uh

[1:34:35] 2026

[1:34:36] previously

[1:34:40] committed

[1:34:42] sorry yeah I just wanted to note on this

[1:34:45] page and I've already mentioned it to

[1:34:46] Scott that that we're putting in $2

[1:34:48] million for the home retrofit program

[1:34:50] which I think is great the the

[1:34:52] awkwardness is that we can't can't

[1:34:54] publicly announce this program because

[1:34:57] the funding agency hasn't hasn't given

[1:34:59] us permission yet but we are planning to

[1:35:01] do it in next year this this year

[1:35:04] because we have it in the budget the

[1:35:05] part uh I didn't understand if you go to

[1:35:07] the next page where it has the better

[1:35:09] homes Duffer and energy retrofit program

[1:35:11] I got that then down below it has

[1:35:14] buildings retrofit study $200,000 with

[1:35:17] an aster and

[1:35:18] I is that different than than the energy

[1:35:22] R what is this

[1:35:24] $200,000 for building retrofit study Amy

[1:35:28] uh through you Warden that is a that's

[1:35:30] something different and I will talk to

[1:35:32] that when I get to that for sure um but

[1:35:35] the Better Homes Deen energy retrofit

[1:35:37] project it's the project total

[1:35:41] is

[1:35:43] 11 11 and A4 million doar um over four

[1:35:47] years we don't know how much we're going

[1:35:48] to spend each year we've just put in an

[1:35:50] estimate based on the cash flow that

[1:35:51] we've developed with the with um um

[1:35:56] fcm yeah when we can announce it we'll

[1:35:58] announce it and I I think the reason I

[1:36:00] had brought it up with Scott it's going

[1:36:02] to be really important when we announce

[1:36:04] it that I think all of us counselors

[1:36:06] have to sort of be ambassadors to this

[1:36:09] program when we go back to our

[1:36:10] municipalities and let our residents

[1:36:11] know that this program is there and they

[1:36:14] can apply for it and do all kinds of fun

[1:36:17] things but we can't announce it yet no

[1:36:20] okay

[1:36:24] so Amy we've been approved but we can't

[1:36:26] say anything that's right is that

[1:36:33] right maybe we've been approved we don't

[1:36:41] know we are awaiting a formal

[1:36:44] announcement as to who is receiving the

[1:36:48] funding okay so that announcement has

[1:36:51] not been made the official announcement

[1:36:54] through you Warden correct um and we are

[1:36:57] hoping to learn whether or not we are

[1:36:59] successful very very shortly um and the

[1:37:03] plan ultimately should we be successful

[1:37:05] would be to to immediately start

[1:37:07] reaching out to um the local tier

[1:37:09] municipalities to talk about the LIC

[1:37:12] bylaws we have a draft that can be used

[1:37:15] to help get those things through and we

[1:37:17] would be hopeful to have a program up

[1:37:18] and running roughly mid 2025 should we

[1:37:22] be successful

[1:37:24] thank you for that

[1:37:27] Clarity and I just wanted to state that

[1:37:30] this program has zero cost to the county

[1:37:33] other than staff time um it is funded

[1:37:37] there will be a cash flow issue in

[1:37:40] coming years but we're confident we'll

[1:37:42] be able to manage that because people

[1:37:44] who are eligible for the program do have

[1:37:46] 10 years to pay

[1:37:48] back plus

[1:37:50] interest um new to 2025 is that did add

[1:37:53] legal fees just because they have found

[1:37:56] that there's a lot more contracts with

[1:37:58] vendors and different funders that need

[1:37:59] to be reviewed so we've added in $10,000

[1:38:02] for that we have a scheduled update to

[1:38:04] the de climate action plan which will

[1:38:06] merge the duff climate adaptation

[1:38:08] strategy and include a corporate climate

[1:38:10] plan into a single 10-year climate

[1:38:12] Master strategy and action plan of

[1:38:16] $250,000 um we are offsetting that by

[1:38:18] transfer from Reserve rate stabilization

[1:38:21] of $200,000

[1:38:23] based on strong positive results

[1:38:25] residents survey results residents have

[1:38:27] requested a rain barrel subsidy program

[1:38:29] for all residents in duffen County to

[1:38:32] encourage on-site storm water management

[1:38:34] of

[1:38:35] $25,000 the 20 the town of Orangeville

[1:38:37] already provides the service to its

[1:38:38] residents so the county program would be

[1:38:40] extended to residents of the whole

[1:38:43] County uh there's a small amount for new

[1:38:46] training

[1:38:47] software to support online climate

[1:38:49] training available to all staff the

[1:38:52] building retrofit study of

[1:38:55] $200,000 is to be offset um by transfer

[1:38:59] fir rate civilization the study will

[1:39:01] provide a detailed costing plan and

[1:39:03] business case for deep energy retrofits

[1:39:05] to County owned building excluding

[1:39:08] housing which will be reviewed in 2026

[1:39:11] so that is what is included in the

[1:39:12] budget package but there are two

[1:39:16] retrofit studies and we inadvertently

[1:39:19] mix the two up so we actually want to do

[1:39:21] the better home the the building

[1:39:23] retrofit study for the housing next year

[1:39:27] and then the municipally owned ones the

[1:39:29] following year so we're just going to

[1:39:31] switch those around it does change some

[1:39:33] of the numbers the value I think is 325

[1:39:37] but there is some funding in the balance

[1:39:38] comes from rate stabilization so similar

[1:39:41] to the other one there's no impact on

[1:39:42] the bottom line so we're just going to

[1:39:44] make that

[1:39:45] switch any questions on climate

[1:39:52] energy summarizing climate and energy

[1:39:54] the status quo operating a 7.58%

[1:39:57] increase and the proposed additions are

[1:40:01] 23.18 moving on to corporate

[1:40:06] facilities the corporate facilities is

[1:40:09] IM Min admin cost for staff that support

[1:40:11] all facilities excluding different Oaks

[1:40:14] as well as the building related costs

[1:40:16] for the courthouse and the Adel BR

[1:40:18] Center revenues um we've adjusted the

[1:40:22] rent Revenue to reflect the actual cost

[1:40:25] recoveries for the courthouse uh lease

[1:40:27] cost those have actually been coming

[1:40:28] down because our costs have been coming

[1:40:29] down but I have our first actual change

[1:40:32] to the budget here I want to add

[1:40:35] $155,000 in Revenue to it's not very big

[1:40:38] to the rent Revenue because we have uh

[1:40:40] decided to lease out 53 Zina and we'll

[1:40:43] be receiving about $15,000 in Revenue

[1:40:45] next

[1:40:46] year and then the other Revenue includes

[1:40:50] revenue from the public electric vehicle

[1:40:53] charging

[1:40:56] stations moving on to expenses uh there

[1:41:01] are 13 full-time positions and one

[1:41:03] part-time seasonal position within

[1:41:06] facilities there's a big decrease in

[1:41:09] admin in office uh this relates to the

[1:41:12] building condition assessment and energy

[1:41:14] audits that were completed in 2024 we do

[1:41:16] the bcas every 5

[1:41:18] years we do budget for them within

[1:41:21] corporate facilities because it's easier

[1:41:23] but when we actually expense them we

[1:41:24] expense them to all the individual

[1:41:28] buildings um other

[1:41:31] highlights uh Consulting includes

[1:41:32] $220,000 to address miscellaneous

[1:41:34] building studies required to ensure the

[1:41:37] longevity of our assets and as well as

[1:41:39] $2,000 for the development of service

[1:41:42] contracts there's been an increase in

[1:41:44] service costs for the EV charging

[1:41:47] stations of about

[1:41:49] $155,000 and uh it communication

[1:41:52] includes a work order software uh with

[1:41:55] annual fee of

[1:41:57] $155,000 and then we are anticipating a

[1:42:00] decrease in vehicles and Equipment as we

[1:42:03] shift towards electric

[1:42:06] vehicles transfers we proposing $75,000

[1:42:09] to come from the rate stabilization

[1:42:11] Reserve just to mitigate some of the

[1:42:13] increases and we do we are able to apply

[1:42:16] small amount of development charges to

[1:42:18] the debt on this

[1:42:21] building moving to proposed additions

[1:42:24] these equate to

[1:42:27] $116,000 for

[1:42:31] 2025 there is a new position um it's in

[1:42:35] the budget to start in March with

[1:42:38] 107,000 you can go to the next page on

[1:42:41] for the project manager

[1:42:42] $17,700 for salaries and benefits plus

[1:42:45] an additional 4,500 in support cost for

[1:42:47] year 1 and $22,000 thereafter with an

[1:42:50] annualized cost of $134,000

[1:42:54] and then the next is the asset and

[1:42:57] maintenance management Annual fees uh

[1:42:59] which I spoke about in engineering or

[1:43:02] operations um same thing their cost

[1:43:04] share though is only

[1:43:07] $3,000 any questions on the proposed

[1:43:10] additions in

[1:43:15] facilities thanks Council way the uh the

[1:43:18] project manager is that the one that

[1:43:20] we're bringing on looking at housing or

[1:43:22] is that another one in housing never

[1:43:24] mind

[1:43:29] then no other questions on these

[1:43:33] [Music]

[1:43:35] additions

[1:43:38] okay moving to the capital asset

[1:43:41] fund we see quite a dip in the capital

[1:43:44] asset fund for corporate facilities over

[1:43:46] the next few years before we start

[1:43:48] building it up

[1:43:50] again the prior year carry forward

[1:43:53] includes uh parking lot at courthouse

[1:43:56] for

[1:43:56] $412,000 switch gears which is electrial

[1:43:59] equipment for

[1:44:00] $125,000 Windows for

[1:44:03] 2011 vehicle which we ordered in 2024

[1:44:06] that hasn't arrived yet for 60 Grand and

[1:44:08] then some um security work at this

[1:44:10] building a 42

[1:44:13] Grand moving to

[1:44:16] contributions uh other revenue is funds

[1:44:19] from Naran for the electric vehicle

[1:44:22] charging station

[1:44:23] uh which there was a report that went to

[1:44:25] council a couple months ago I believe of

[1:44:28] $325,000 we have um put in debt

[1:44:32] financing to cover any work done to this

[1:44:34] building I'm just going to pause there

[1:44:36] for a second um in in terms of we have

[1:44:40] debt financing in there this year and

[1:44:41] next year for this building but we

[1:44:43] probably won't we will not borrow until

[1:44:44] the project is done what we will end up

[1:44:47] doing is we will see how much we can

[1:44:49] cash flow and then if we run into cash

[1:44:51] flow issues then we will get intern term

[1:44:53] borrowing which then we will just flip

[1:44:55] into the actual

[1:44:57] debenture um and then lastly transfers

[1:44:59] from Reserve we have $300,000 coming

[1:45:02] from rate

[1:45:03] stabilization to um cover the balance of

[1:45:06] the cost of the EV charging

[1:45:11] stations moving on to Capital work

[1:45:13] there's $2.5 Million worth of work plan

[1:45:15] for 2025 with 1.375 being considered New

[1:45:19] Capital

[1:45:20] Investments uh future work plan will

[1:45:23] change once we have a further

[1:45:24] clarification on what work will be done

[1:45:26] when for example we have carpet that is

[1:45:29] due for replacement over the next couple

[1:45:31] of years within this building and if

[1:45:32] we're going to renovate this building

[1:45:34] we're clearly not going to do that so

[1:45:37] the the future Capital work plan will

[1:45:39] likely change if we uh renovate this

[1:45:46] building uh we have two parking lots

[1:45:49] planned the north both the North and the

[1:45:50] South parking lot at the courthouse in

[1:45:53] 2025 under buildings we have foundation

[1:45:56] work uh is required to prevent future

[1:45:58] fling funding Flooding at this building

[1:46:01] we have some regular Heating and

[1:46:03] ventilation air conditioning

[1:46:05] Replacements

[1:46:07] and are required at $43,000 as well as

[1:46:10] updates to our building automation

[1:46:12] system of $40,000 and windows of

[1:46:15] 110 due to the Heritage designation of

[1:46:18] the courthouse the windows and exterior

[1:46:20] doors are not replaceable

[1:46:23] as such regular painting is required to

[1:46:25] maintain these assets an amount of

[1:46:28] $12,500 has been included to gaug a

[1:46:30] consultant to assist with the

[1:46:32] specifications in

[1:46:34] 2025 I think the total cost and Scott

[1:46:38] maybe you remember is around 300 between

[1:46:41] three and

[1:46:43] $400,000 to do the actual painting

[1:46:47] um questions

[1:46:49] Phil Phil has his hand up

[1:46:55] I do um I had a question about the ashal

[1:46:59] paving so that's at the courthouse that

[1:47:03] we as a county don't use anymore but we

[1:47:05] still own it so we need to maintain it

[1:47:09] correct um question number two would

[1:47:12] this be hot ashalt

[1:47:17] Paving and Scott is shaking his head yes

[1:47:21] I I see him I I I can actually see that

[1:47:23] um would we ever consider using recycled

[1:47:27] ashalt to to do

[1:47:32] that through you Warden we do use

[1:47:35] recycled asphalt most of the asphalt

[1:47:37] that we use we'll we'll spec a certain

[1:47:39] composition of recycled material um in

[1:47:42] some cases on our roads we do a full

[1:47:43] like cold and place Recycling and those

[1:47:45] types of um um things within a parking

[1:47:47] lot very likely it'll be U Back to the

[1:47:51] the previous one the mix of of new

[1:47:53] materials with a certain um percentage

[1:47:57] of uh recycled material so short answer

[1:48:00] yes but um there's always more

[1:48:03] details to go along with it if if I we

[1:48:07] would not consider using 100% recycled

[1:48:10] material for a for a parking

[1:48:14] lot

[1:48:17] um I suppose we could we haven't um

[1:48:21] there's a there are concerns about

[1:48:22] longevity with that type of work

[1:48:24] depending on the material that you're

[1:48:25] getting so again we've we've found that

[1:48:28] there's a sweet spot and I forget what

[1:48:29] the percentage is that we pursue but

[1:48:31] somewhere in the neighborhood of at

[1:48:32] least

[1:48:33] 20% um on a parking lot you may be able

[1:48:35] to increase that more than what we you

[1:48:37] would typically do on a roadway but um

[1:48:39] full recycled is is not something that

[1:48:42] we have done on a parking lot

[1:48:45] no

[1:48:48] okay anyone else

[1:48:56] uh we also have two pickups that are

[1:48:58] scheduled for replacement in 2025

[1:49:00] similar to other divisions we do have

[1:49:01] one that is being carried forward from

[1:49:05] 2024 and then under New Capital

[1:49:07] Investments we have the renovations to

[1:49:09] this building as well as the electric

[1:49:11] vehicle charging

[1:49:15] stations summarizing corporate

[1:49:17] facilities the status quo operating is

[1:49:19] 13.07 when you add capital in that

[1:49:22] becomes comes

[1:49:23] 27% with proposed additions it's

[1:49:30] 40% moving on to way

[1:49:33] Services uh revenues are up

[1:49:37] $2,000 uh user fees includes uh revenue

[1:49:41] from residents for additional B tags uh

[1:49:44] the other revenue is household hazardous

[1:49:45] waste full producer responsibility for

[1:49:48] designated materials not providing

[1:49:50] adequate compensation to cover C's event

[1:49:53] day costs we're getting about

[1:49:56] $60,000 and then other Revenue also

[1:49:59] includes

[1:50:01] money from circular materials for Waste

[1:50:04] Services guide and waste app and

[1:50:06] $35,000 for the sale of

[1:50:12] composters expenses are down

[1:50:15] $100,000 that's mostly because um

[1:50:18] similar to climate we have stuff in the

[1:50:20] 2024 budget that we had is new and this

[1:50:22] year showing it under new in 2025 sorry

[1:50:26] um relating to the household housers

[1:50:29] waste mobile Depot as well they did do

[1:50:32] some audits in uh

[1:50:36] 20204 um staff includes four full-time

[1:50:39] positions um between six to eight

[1:50:41] seasonal casual positions one Co-op

[1:50:43] student and two summer

[1:50:46] students other highlights in ad minut an

[1:50:48] office includes $98,500 in promotions 22

[1:50:52] ,000 for Waste Audits and $122,000 for

[1:50:56] postage Service delivery we have the

[1:50:59] annual Autumn loose leaf collection and

[1:51:01] processing for Orangeville and shelburn

[1:51:03] at a budget of

[1:51:05] $110,000 the actual costs for 2023 were

[1:51:08] $13 and I haven't seen the cost yet come

[1:51:10] in for

[1:51:13] 2024 um and then vehicles and Equipment

[1:51:16] similar to other divisions who are

[1:51:17] seeing small savings as they transition

[1:51:19] to electric vehicles

[1:51:23] so this is the one area where I actually

[1:51:25] have a budget

[1:51:28] addition uh report went to committee uh

[1:51:30] late last year giving staff permission

[1:51:32] to move forward with going to market for

[1:51:34] the 2025 household hatress was Day

[1:51:36] events the contract came in higher than

[1:51:39] anticipated we budgeted $200,000 and the

[1:51:43] um the lowest bidder is

[1:51:47] $280,000 so we need to increase the

[1:51:49] budget um in order for staff to be able

[1:51:52] to award the

[1:51:55] contract the additional $80,000 is the

[1:51:58] same level of service we provided

[1:51:59] previously the cost have just gone

[1:52:02] up any questions or comments on

[1:52:07] that I could propose that um when we add

[1:52:11] that that we have half of that come from

[1:52:13] reserves because it is a quite a big

[1:52:15] increase so the impact is only 40 Grand

[1:52:17] instead of 80

[1:52:24] comment

[1:52:26] anybody that sounds good doesn't

[1:52:29] it okay uh moving on to

[1:52:34] oh

[1:52:36] pH can't see you so people have to tell

[1:52:39] me when you have your hand up that's

[1:52:40] good seems to be working quite well um

[1:52:44] I'm wondering if instead of taking it

[1:52:47] out of the rate stabilization Reserve we

[1:52:50] look at a few of the small subsidy

[1:52:52] program s um green bins comes to mind

[1:52:54] rain barrels comes to mind couple other

[1:52:57] things and and try to try to even it out

[1:53:00] that way rather than keeping on taking

[1:53:03] from

[1:53:08] reserves uh through you Warden those

[1:53:10] programs do not make they don't really

[1:53:13] make

[1:53:17] money okay

[1:53:20] okay um

[1:53:24] transfers we have $22,000 to offset the

[1:53:28] cost of the waste audits coming from the

[1:53:29] waste reserve and then we do uh we are

[1:53:32] able to apply small amount of

[1:53:34] development charges to offset the cost

[1:53:35] of new green green Green bins based on

[1:53:41] growth uh proposed additions there are a

[1:53:43] couple additions proposed which are to

[1:53:45] be funded from Reserve so the net

[1:53:47] increase is

[1:53:49] zero next slide under previously

[1:53:52] committed we have the long-term Waste

[1:53:54] Management strategy of

[1:53:56] $100,000 which was last completed in

[1:53:58] 2018 the update will review the County's

[1:54:00] progress and any setbacks to meeting its

[1:54:03] waste diversion goals while reviewing

[1:54:05] the path forward for the next five years

[1:54:07] the work will be funded from the waste

[1:54:11] Reserve new to 2025 which we actually

[1:54:14] introduced last year um consultant

[1:54:17] services to assist in the planning

[1:54:19] approval for mobile or permanent

[1:54:21] household hazardous wastey

[1:54:23] $225,000 also to be funded from the

[1:54:25] waste Reserve County staff are exploring

[1:54:27] the components and options and

[1:54:29] opportunities for Depot service and will

[1:54:32] bring forward a recommendation to

[1:54:33] council for consideration 2025 if

[1:54:36] approved the consultant would assist in

[1:54:38] preparation of the required components

[1:54:40] of the approvals application to the

[1:54:41] ministry of environment conservation and

[1:54:43] parks are there any questions on

[1:54:49] those was Services capital is very

[1:54:52] minimal which limits their required fund

[1:54:55] balances the amount of carry forward is

[1:54:57] for the vehicle that we ordered in 20124

[1:55:00] it hasn't arrived

[1:55:02] yet um moving down to contributions the

[1:55:06] only contribution is tax Lobby and it's

[1:55:10] $13,000 and the only work planned for

[1:55:13] 2025 you can go down a couple slides on

[1:55:16] you is um a

[1:55:19] vehicle summarizing Waste Services the

[1:55:22] start status quo operating is 3.28% when

[1:55:24] you add in capital it becomes

[1:55:27] 3.3 and with the proposed changes it's

[1:55:31] 3.29 the largest

[1:55:36] um I don't know what my note says I'll

[1:55:38] just skip

[1:55:38] [Music]

[1:55:41] it okay moving on to County

[1:55:44] forest uh revenues are primarily Timber

[1:55:47] sales and a little bit for hunting and

[1:55:49] event

[1:55:50] permits County for has two positions in

[1:55:53] one summer student uh position the

[1:55:55] salaries and benefits are there's a

[1:55:57] small decrease here similar to

[1:55:59] operations in Fleet we did have an over

[1:56:01] an overlap for the replacement of the

[1:56:04] the forest manager last

[1:56:06] year other highlights minut an office

[1:56:09] includes onetime costs associated with

[1:56:10] the promotion of the new operating plan

[1:56:13] uh $7,900 and 2024 included a one-time

[1:56:17] purchase of animal prooof trash

[1:56:19] bins facilities includes 13

[1:56:23] $1,100 um for snow clearing at some of

[1:56:26] the

[1:56:28] tracks moving to transfers at the end of

[1:56:32] the year any surplus that we have within

[1:56:34] the county Forest is transferred to the

[1:56:35] reserve fund the value of the reserve

[1:56:38] fund has declined significantly over the

[1:56:40] last few

[1:56:41] years so we're just applying a little

[1:56:43] bit each year there's a small net

[1:56:45] increase um sorry proposed

[1:56:48] additions there's a small net increase

[1:56:51] in 2025 with no no staff proposed until

[1:56:55] 2027 um new to 2025 is to attain the

[1:57:00] certification through the sustainable

[1:57:01] Forest initiative which will provide

[1:57:03] tangible validation of sustainable

[1:57:05] management practices and open doors to

[1:57:08] New Opportunities such as the carbon

[1:57:09] credit Market is

[1:57:12] $7,000 and then in line with

[1:57:14] recommendations from the recently

[1:57:16] adopted Transportation master plan

[1:57:18] develop an active Transportation master

[1:57:20] plan to establish a detailed strategy

[1:57:22] with input from local municipalities for

[1:57:25] recommending additional local candidate

[1:57:26] routes that support the network of

[1:57:28] $100,000 to be funded by the reserves

[1:57:31] from wind turbines this is a multi-

[1:57:33] department project and I'm not sure that

[1:57:35] it's actually going to land in County

[1:57:37] forest but we've just dropped in there

[1:57:39] for now and it is at this point likely

[1:57:41] to be led by

[1:57:45] planning um the capital asset fund we

[1:57:50] had plann on depleting the capital asset

[1:57:51] Fund in 2024 however with the delay of

[1:57:53] the delivery of the vehicle uh we have a

[1:57:56] little bit to carry

[1:57:58] forward um the $660,000

[1:58:01] capital and work includes the carryover

[1:58:03] of the vehicle as well as um a small

[1:58:07] amount for replacement of gates and

[1:58:12] fencing summarizing County forest the

[1:58:15] status quo operating is

[1:58:17] 8.47% when that you add in capital it

[1:58:19] becomes

[1:58:20] 8.03 and with with proposed additions

[1:58:23] the total increase is

[1:58:26] 10.56% any questions for County forest I

[1:58:29] had a question in terms of the trail

[1:58:33] because at one point in the um

[1:58:36] description that talked about the person

[1:58:39] um with the forest is also with the

[1:58:43] trail and so there's no expenditures or

[1:58:47] any budget items for the trail

[1:58:52] uh we do have some maintenance money I

[1:58:54] believe in operations and Fleet okay

[1:58:57] yeah okay just it wasn't clear where all

[1:59:00] whether that's going to all be one kind

[1:59:03] of uh unit or

[1:59:05] whether yeah

[1:59:07] Scott uh through you warden so yeah the

[1:59:10] the maintenance of the asset will occur

[1:59:12] through operations and sort of the

[1:59:13] philosophy and management of the

[1:59:17] recreational element of it will be dealt

[1:59:19] with through Forest okay

[1:59:27] Phillip thank you through you I have a a

[1:59:30] question about the sustainable Forest

[1:59:33] initiative certification I mean it's

[1:59:36] it's such a small amount um but and and

[1:59:40] I understood this was to gain access to

[1:59:42] the carbon credit Market um is this a

[1:59:46] national Market an international market

[1:59:49] um if it's National or even

[1:59:51] International do we believe it's still

[1:59:53] going to

[1:59:54] exist um you know by the middle of

[1:59:58] 2025

[2:00:00] Scott through you Warden uh great

[2:00:04] question um all I can really offer on

[2:00:07] this and I I have some notes here just

[2:00:08] to keep track of things but so this is

[2:00:11] through the sustainable Forest

[2:00:13] initiative through the eastern Ontario

[2:00:16] model Forest Group certification so it

[2:00:19] will amongst other things afford um the

[2:00:23] opportunity for resources it will

[2:00:25] confirm to the public that we are in

[2:00:27] fact managing our forests sustainably um

[2:00:31] it will even open up to funding and

[2:00:33] different funding models potentially the

[2:00:36] one that that you spoke to but certainly

[2:00:37] others um so there is more to it than

[2:00:40] simply that that one piece but uh great

[2:00:48] question anyone else

[2:00:53] okay Amy is this the end of this uh

[2:00:55] section I have two more slides okay so

[2:00:58] just to

[2:01:00] summarize the recap same slides we saw

[2:01:02] at the beginning what the percentage in

[2:01:04] increases are on the status quo for each

[2:01:06] division and then the next slide shows

[2:01:09] what the what the proposed

[2:01:12] increases and that concludes this

[2:01:17] one

[2:01:20] questions see

[2:01:23] minute break a five minute break so that

[2:01:26] we can get through um Phillip you have a

[2:01:30] question I I I do sorry to keep you from

[2:01:33] your break um just um because everything

[2:01:37] moved so

[2:01:39] quickly um I I if I could just broadly

[2:01:43] the capital work um piece there's a

[2:01:47] significant amount of work far more than

[2:01:49] we've usually done we generally don't

[2:01:51] get

[2:01:52] done what we want to anyways um I don't

[2:01:56] know that it matters because it would

[2:01:57] just get carried forward is that

[2:02:04] correct uh pretty much are you talking

[2:02:07] about um engineering or just

[2:02:10] generally so this was from the very

[2:02:13] beginning I think there's $91 Million

[2:02:15] worth of capital work planned that's you

[2:02:17] know almost twice as much as we usually

[2:02:19] do and we don't ever do all that we

[2:02:21] usually do yeah a large chunk of that is

[2:02:24] the Operation Center the new Operation

[2:02:26] Center of um just over 20 million and

[2:02:29] then we do have additional projects

[2:02:32] related that are Developer developer

[2:02:35] funded related to the 109

[2:02:38] realignment and that leads beautifully

[2:02:40] into the next question because I

[2:02:42] couldn't find this anywhere either are

[2:02:44] you able to give a highlevel estimate of

[2:02:48] what it's going to cost the tax levy to

[2:02:51] add the new operations center and the

[2:02:54] renovation to the edel Brock

[2:03:01] Center

[2:03:04] no I I can I can find out based on how

[2:03:08] much we think we're going to borrow but

[2:03:09] I haven't gotten into doing the analysis

[2:03:11] in terms of how much it's going to cost

[2:03:13] related to the ongoing operating

[2:03:16] costs and and that's fine and I should

[2:03:19] have asked you this beforehand but if

[2:03:21] that's something I think we have another

[2:03:22] budget meeting on the 30th um I I would

[2:03:25] really appreciate seeing that because I

[2:03:27] am concerned that we're going to saddle

[2:03:31] future councils with a pretty hefty

[2:03:34] increase simply to pay for these

[2:03:38] things yeah so I it would be at least

[2:03:40] from my standpoint very useful to know

[2:03:43] what what that's going to mean to the

[2:03:45] tax levy moving

[2:03:48] forward good point Phil thank you for

[2:03:50] bringing that up

[2:03:52] last question if I may um the electric

[2:03:57] Chargers that was I think that's that's

[2:04:01] $625,000 um we were applying for a grant

[2:04:05] is there offsetting Revenue in the

[2:04:07] budget based on what we thought we'd get

[2:04:09] for the grant or are we only going to

[2:04:12] put that Revenue in if we get it which

[2:04:16] another way of asking are we putting in

[2:04:17] the Chargers regardless of if we get the

[2:04:19] grant

[2:04:22] uh we do have offsetting Revenue in the

[2:04:24] budget and no we are not putting them in

[2:04:26] if we don't get the grant thank you very

[2:04:36] much councilor

[2:04:39] Solomon uh thank you uh Madame Wen just

[2:04:42] a silly end of this segment is uh we've

[2:04:45] been promised a uh trade War by the uh

[2:04:48] end of uh maybe the week after that or a

[2:04:52] week after next um how um like as along

[2:04:57] with Phil's Point um should we be doing

[2:04:59] a whole lot with uh whether we know what

[2:05:02] it that's going to be like um whether

[2:05:05] our constituents have any money left

[2:05:07] we've been kind of threatened that we

[2:05:09] might become State I don't know what can

[2:05:11] be done I don't know if nobody in this

[2:05:14] room I'm sure can answer it and uh and I

[2:05:17] certainly don't know either but I just

[2:05:19] would maybe be cautious I'm

[2:05:22] uh you know you know who you're dealing

[2:05:24] with and you don't know how that's going

[2:05:27] to turn out so I guess we have to go on

[2:05:29] it like business as usual but just who

[2:05:33] knows so thank you very

[2:05:35] much thank you

[2:05:38] Steve uh

[2:05:40] Todd uh just quickly I think the

[2:05:43] commentary by Phil was really good um in

[2:05:46] terms of I know we don't know the number

[2:05:48] but we do know what the impact could be

[2:05:50] in 2026 because we saw I think it was

[2:05:52] plus 10% to the taxpayers and then the

[2:05:55] year after that is also um abnormally

[2:05:58] High two right based based on that I

[2:06:00] can't remember what that number was but

[2:06:02] we do know that we're heading towards

[2:06:03] double digits for the next two

[2:06:10] years you're correct I do have um some

[2:06:12] numbers but just for the debt um and

[2:06:17] it's based on $20 million of debt for

[2:06:20] the um operations Center in $6 million

[2:06:23] here it it depends on how much we

[2:06:25] actually end up borrowing but I can give

[2:06:27] you the numbers that I've included in

[2:06:29] the budget um for future

[2:06:33] years just to pull it

[2:06:41] out okay thank you Amy Let's uh take

[2:06:45] that five minute break then and be back

[2:06:46] at the table in five

[2:07:20] help

[2:07:50] e e

[2:15:09] maybe just

[2:15:32] I do like this new um setup with the

[2:15:35] stuff around the table is

[2:15:38] everybody comfortable with this rather

[2:15:42] not Scott oh it's just

[2:15:45] Scott well we can move him somewhere

[2:15:47] else

[2:15:57] [Laughter]

[2:16:01] change your name

[2:16:07] Todd okay folks we're now on the general

[2:16:10] government services piece so in your uh

[2:16:14] documents make sure you're on the right

[2:16:18] category go ahead Amy

[2:16:23] thank you I'm just waiting for Sonia to

[2:16:24] bring up the uh slide

[2:16:35] deck okay General government services

[2:16:38] includes Council Office of the C

[2:16:41] corporate services and people in equity

[2:16:43] unfortunately this committee does have

[2:16:45] the most

[2:16:46] slides so starting off with Council and

[2:16:49] Grant this status quo increase

[2:16:53] is

[2:16:55] 33% and with proposed additions is

[2:17:01] 9.83% uh just some highlights really is

[2:17:05] only the salaries and benefits has

[2:17:07] decreased as we've reduced the preems by

[2:17:12] $28,900 other highlights uh training and

[2:17:15] conferences for Olive council is

[2:17:17] $52,000 and then the membership fees for

[2:17:20] western w

[2:17:21] emo and fcm total $49,100

[2:17:26] there are some proposed additions within

[2:17:29] um Council council members have

[2:17:32] previously proposed an increase to

[2:17:34] contributions to the Food For Thought

[2:17:36] grants of 40% or

[2:17:40] $28,000 we are also proposing an

[2:17:42] increase of $45,000 to the community

[2:17:44] grant program for a total of

[2:17:47] $140,000 and additional support to

[2:17:49] Headwaters community in

[2:17:51] action um for administration of the

[2:17:54] county grant program of

[2:17:56] $115,000 as per council's request hcia

[2:18:00] did provide us with a proposed increase

[2:18:02] for 2025 in future years the total

[2:18:05] increase for 2025 was

[2:18:07] $140,500 but due to other pressures we

[2:18:10] did not include the total amount but did

[2:18:13] include an increase of

[2:18:15] $4,500 um and this is split between this

[2:18:18] budget and community services and then

[2:18:20] of of course there are further increases

[2:18:22] planned for future

[2:18:24] years councelor

[2:18:26] ni yeah I just I just want to check I

[2:18:29] understand the the additions the new

[2:18:31] grants are going to give but back up to

[2:18:33] the

[2:18:35] um on the main page Service delivery

[2:18:38] including grants that does include the

[2:18:40] $50,000 we're giving to the food bank

[2:18:42] that that was a commitment more than one

[2:18:45] year was it was it not or is my

[2:18:47] memory at fault here the add amount that

[2:18:51] um the council proposed for the food

[2:18:54] bank I've included in the $28,000 in the

[2:18:57] Food For Thought grants on the proposed

[2:18:59] additions it's included in that amount

[2:19:00] there 28 28,000 I yeah so I thought we

[2:19:05] made a commitment we decided to increase

[2:19:08] I think from 40 to

[2:19:10] 50,000 or I can't remember the exact

[2:19:12] amount but it worked out to 28% and we

[2:19:14] thought that it was only fair that that

[2:19:15] shelburn got that as

[2:19:18] well okay I think I think I follow that

[2:19:21] okay okay

[2:19:22] thanks any other questions on the

[2:19:25] proposed additions under

[2:19:28] Council seeing none

[2:19:32] okay um then summarizing them it's a 33%

[2:19:36] increased status quo and

[2:19:38] 9.83% uh with the

[2:19:41] additions moving on to the office of the

[2:19:44] cioo um office of coo consists of

[2:19:46] administration and Communications clerks

[2:19:49] and Emergency Management and have a net

[2:19:51] increase of

[2:19:52] 6.83% there are no proposed additions

[2:19:55] for 2025 in the office of the

[2:19:59] CAO uh Capital the only Department that

[2:20:02] has capital is Emergency

[2:20:03] Management and as you can see they

[2:20:05] pretty much only have one thing

[2:20:10] um uh so the the

[2:20:14] um yeah the line goes up and down as we

[2:20:17] require the capital asset fund balance

[2:20:18] kind of goes up and down as we need the

[2:20:20] money

[2:20:23] moving into Administration and

[2:20:25] Communications um you have to pardon my

[2:20:27] short forms some of some Department

[2:20:29] names are too long so I just kind of

[2:20:31] shortened it to admin and

[2:20:34] Communications in the package you will

[2:20:35] see that in many Communications did

[2:20:37] include Revenue when I was putting

[2:20:40] together the slide deck I realized that

[2:20:42] the uh Revenue actually belongs under

[2:20:44] the clerk's

[2:20:46] department and so we I made the change

[2:20:48] on these slides the total difference is

[2:20:52] $1,750 so admin and communication does

[2:20:55] consist of four full-time employees and

[2:20:57] the big increase in 2025 is because we

[2:21:00] did add a position in

[2:21:03] 2024 in terms of highlights we are

[2:21:06] including Community engagement training

[2:21:07] for all staff uh that are involved with

[2:21:10] public consultation at a cost of

[2:21:12] $77,000 and we have Consulting for

[2:21:14] ongoing strategic plan implementation

[2:21:16] work of $60,000 which we propose to come

[2:21:19] from Reserves

[2:21:22] which is the transfers on the next page

[2:21:25] and then since there's nothing new

[2:21:27] summarizing the status quote budget is

[2:21:29] increase at 9% any questions on admin

[2:21:31] and

[2:21:35] Communications moving on to clerks um

[2:21:38] they have a little bit of Revenue they

[2:21:40] have a little bit of revenue for parking

[2:21:41] tickets and then POA cost recovery um we

[2:21:45] do provide phone and internet services

[2:21:47] and they just um pay us a cost for that

[2:21:51] on the expense side they do have a small

[2:21:53] increase of $115,000 or 3% and there are

[2:21:57] three staff within that

[2:22:00] division other highlights it and

[2:22:02] Communications uh the ESB annual

[2:22:04] licensing fee is $336,600 and then

[2:22:08] internal Services recover it is just an

[2:22:10] allocation that we do between different

[2:22:12] divisions to make sure we're capturing

[2:22:14] the full costs um within the other

[2:22:16] divisions typically we only do them

[2:22:18] between divisions that receive subsidy

[2:22:22] and then of course I have um included a

[2:22:25] small amount coming from the rate

[2:22:26] stabilization Reserve to to offset the

[2:22:29] big jump as a result of the

[2:22:33] Ebe and summarizing Clerk's Department

[2:22:36] status quo is

[2:22:40] 5.32% Emergency

[2:22:43] Management they have one full-time staff

[2:22:46] and uh a small portion for the Emergency

[2:22:49] Management backup

[2:22:51] position they have a net decrease in

[2:22:53] expenses 2024 included an amount to uh

[2:22:58] relocate the emergency Operation

[2:23:02] Center um as well as a small amount

[2:23:06] towards the resiliency Hub

[2:23:09] planning the admin office also includes

[2:23:11] training a $1,500 increase and

[2:23:15] photography and videography of

[2:23:17] $2,000 Service delivery includes $22,000

[2:23:20] for emergency exercises and public

[2:23:22] education and $10,000 for emergency

[2:23:24] prepared preparedness kits and then

[2:23:27] $36,800 for the 911

[2:23:31] contract transfers um we have an annual

[2:23:35] contribution to the emergency Municipal

[2:23:37] emergency redness reserve and uh 2024 we

[2:23:41] did include an amount coming from

[2:23:42] reserve for the relocation of the

[2:23:46] emergency Operation Center

[2:23:52] uh the capital asset fund you can see at

[2:23:54] the bottom line it increases over the

[2:23:56] next few years as we're setting IDE

[2:23:58] money for future

[2:24:01] Replacements contributions we're hoping

[2:24:03] to get some uh funding for the

[2:24:05] resiliency Hub of $50,000 and then we

[2:24:08] will be pulling 25,000 from the rate

[2:24:10] stabilization as it's

[2:24:14] new um we have one project planned for

[2:24:18] 2025 it is joint project with climate

[2:24:22] and energy and I believe facilities the

[2:24:25] outdoor Community resilience Hub of

[2:24:26] $100,000 will serve as an important

[2:24:29] piece of infrastructure that will offer

[2:24:31] a gathering space for community members

[2:24:33] to connect access resources and

[2:24:35] strengthen climate resilience featuring

[2:24:37] sheltered seating educational signage

[2:24:39] and climate adaptive Landscaping The Hub

[2:24:42] will support workshops and events

[2:24:43] focused on emergency preparedness and

[2:24:45] local

[2:24:48] collaboration any question

[2:24:52] questions there are no proposed

[2:24:53] additions summarizing Emergency

[2:24:55] Management they're up 3.98% and with

[2:24:58] capital it's

[2:25:02] 3.79 summarizing the office of the CEO

[2:25:06] department just the same slide that we

[2:25:07] saw

[2:25:09] earlier moving on to Corporate

[2:25:12] Services you moving too fast Corporate

[2:25:16] Services consist of three div um four

[2:25:20] divisions technically it Finance

[2:25:22] corporate finance and procurement they

[2:25:23] have a status quo increase of

[2:25:26] 1.95% you can be on the next

[2:25:29] slide and the next

[2:25:31] one with proposed increases we jump to

[2:25:44] 12.06% sorry Todd go ahead I was just

[2:25:46] curious the um the setup that we have in

[2:25:49] terms of how the grid is done I know

[2:25:51] that our CIO is the acting director of

[2:25:54] corporate services really has been for

[2:25:57] quite some time is that are we replacing

[2:26:00] that and if we're not um is that money

[2:26:03] in the budget and if it is should it be

[2:26:07] or are we just going to allocate it

[2:26:09] differently but the grid still says that

[2:26:10] we have the position but I mean I

[2:26:12] haven't been with the county for a long

[2:26:13] time but I I haven't seen I don't I

[2:26:15] don't recall who had it and it feels

[2:26:17] like it's been a long time

[2:26:25] for you Warden Herer uh it's a great

[2:26:27] question councelor Taylor no that

[2:26:29] position has not been filled for quite

[2:26:31] some time uh I think if you note in one

[2:26:34] of the objectives for 2025 for um the

[2:26:38] office of the CAO is to take a look at

[2:26:40] the senior management structure and to

[2:26:42] make some decisions on how we might like

[2:26:44] to move forward so um there is funding

[2:26:47] in there now and I would suggest that

[2:26:49] when we have that conversation later in

[2:26:51] the year we will likely reallocate it

[2:26:52] but I don't think it would something be

[2:26:54] something that we would completely

[2:27:03] delete Capital the only Department that

[2:27:05] has uh capital is

[2:27:07] it um the tax that be here remains

[2:27:10] relatively constant as the capital fund

[2:27:12] balance does go up and down from year to

[2:27:13] year god

[2:27:17] sakes um it

[2:27:21] uh revenues are down

[2:27:24] $45,000 uh essentially the other

[2:27:27] revenues are reallocation of cost to

[2:27:28] other divisions in 2024 included an

[2:27:31] allocation of Staff time towards the

[2:27:33] website project which is now

[2:27:35] done and the government transfer is it

[2:27:38] contracts with the lower tiers including

[2:27:39] GIS and support that they

[2:27:45] provide um expenses are down

[2:27:48] $24,000 um they have 10 full-time

[2:27:51] positions and two student positions the

[2:27:54] internal Services recovered is as I said

[2:27:57] earlier is an allocation of cost to

[2:27:58] other divisions in

[2:28:00] 2024 we added an IT Tech position to

[2:28:03] support different Oaks the increase in

[2:28:05] internal Services recovered is an

[2:28:07] allocation of the cost associated with a

[2:28:09] new position to different

[2:28:11] Oaks despite the added position in 2024

[2:28:15] salaries and benefits have a reasonable

[2:28:17] increase as they did have additional

[2:28:18] staff in 2024 to to support the website

[2:28:23] project other highlights Consulting fees

[2:28:25] include a review of the current phone

[2:28:27] system graphic design support and other

[2:28:29] services to ensure the Integrity of the

[2:28:31] it infrastructure of

[2:28:33] 59,000 professional fees training and

[2:28:35] development of staff is over

[2:28:37] $80,000 and then they have a small

[2:28:39] amount for legal fees to support the

[2:28:40] review of

[2:28:42] contracts within Service delivery um

[2:28:44] primarily the services is to support the

[2:28:47] gis at $2 29,6

[2:28:51] which includes M&R air photos in 2025

[2:28:54] which are updated every 3 years of

[2:28:56] $6,000 and the balance is just work done

[2:28:59] through agreements with others and is

[2:29:00] offset by contributions from

[2:29:06] others councelor Garrett just on GIS I

[2:29:09] think do we have one GIS person

[2:29:12] currently yeah and I think is where the

[2:29:17] the plan is to add somebody in 2026

[2:29:20] 27 we actually sorry we have one GIS and

[2:29:24] then we do have a one GIS summer student

[2:29:27] okay and yeah the plan is to add

[2:29:28] somebody I believe in 2027 oh okay yeah

[2:29:31] I was just wondering with all the stuff

[2:29:33] that Mr Burns has proposed all the

[2:29:35] additional software I think that they're

[2:29:39] potentially uh GIS heavy right some of

[2:29:42] those the studies and the the softwares

[2:29:45] I was just wondering if we need to

[2:29:47] consider adding that GIS person

[2:29:51] earlier um you know maybe not 2025 but

[2:29:54] just more of a just like to get an OP we

[2:29:57] seem pretty light on GIS staff is is all

[2:30:00] I was thinking for the size of the

[2:30:02] organization through you Warden um it

[2:30:05] it's a great observation councelor

[2:30:06] Garrett certainly additional uh GIS

[2:30:09] resources would be valuable and uh I

[2:30:12] think something that we would would

[2:30:14] really like to add in the future um just

[2:30:16] in terms of all of the additional

[2:30:18] Staffing positions we did go through a

[2:30:20] very robust uh prioritization process at

[2:30:23] the senior management level to determine

[2:30:26] which positions to include in 2025 and

[2:30:29] um that one didn't quite make the cut

[2:30:31] but um as we go through and do another

[2:30:33] evaluation when we move into 2026 we

[2:30:36] certainly look at them all again and

[2:30:37] they could get reprioritized at that

[2:30:39] time especially as you note there is

[2:30:41] this move to add additional software as

[2:30:44] we're going forward okay thank you

[2:30:50] um and then it and

[2:30:52] Communications it includes annual

[2:30:54] software fees and subscriptions

[2:30:56] including our Microsoft Microsoft

[2:30:58] licensing for the entire organization of

[2:31:00] just over

[2:31:02] $500,000 website hosting and maintenance

[2:31:04] of $39,000 software security of 334,000

[2:31:09] and Hardware maintenance of just over

[2:31:14] $78,000 um we do have $100,000 coming

[2:31:18] from the rate stabilization Reserve to

[2:31:19] to migrate fluctuations and it related

[2:31:22] costs we do have a number of contracts

[2:31:25] um that Renew at different times so we

[2:31:28] have some that renew annually some that

[2:31:29] renew every two years some that renew

[2:31:31] every 3 years every four years so just

[2:31:33] to mitigate those increases we often

[2:31:35] apply an amount from reserves just to

[2:31:37] mitigate the ups and

[2:31:40] downs in relation to proposed additions

[2:31:43] the net increase is

[2:31:45] $37,000 um there's two there in 2025

[2:31:50] the to conduct a comprehensive Telecom

[2:31:53] System review to ensure the robust

[2:31:55] robustness security adaptive

[2:31:57] adaptability and cost efficiency at

[2:32:00] $20,000 and to conduct a tabletop cyber

[2:32:03] security exercise to prepare our team to

[2:32:05] effectively respond to potential cyber

[2:32:07] threats of

[2:32:14] $117,000 uh moving on to Capital is

[2:32:16] there any questions on the proposed

[2:32:19] additions for it

[2:32:21] straightforward um the capital asset

[2:32:24] fund is one of I think only two that it

[2:32:27] will be going into a negative in it um

[2:32:30] this is mainly due to the increase we've

[2:32:32] been seeing in the prices and as we add

[2:32:35] more staff we certainly need more

[2:32:37] equipment um there's a 6.6% increase on

[2:32:40] the capital Levy where I'm trying not to

[2:32:42] increase it too much um from year to

[2:32:46] year the balance forward is is a small

[2:32:49] Surplus it's just um a few small items

[2:32:52] that we haven't purchased

[2:32:54] yet other Revenue includes an allocation

[2:32:57] from operating for new staff and then

[2:33:00] transfer from Reserve is similar um

[2:33:04] transfer from one Department that

[2:33:05] receive

[2:33:08] subsidy in terms of the capital work

[2:33:11] plan they have $666,000 worth of work

[2:33:16] planned all of their stuff falls under

[2:33:18] equipment and machinery

[2:33:20] there's updates of the phone system at

[2:33:22] VAR various locations of

[2:33:24] $102,000 and user devices of

[2:33:26] $200,000 this includes laptops desktops

[2:33:30] iPads and cell phones um I just want to

[2:33:33] make a note on the cell phones prior to

[2:33:36] 2025 the cell phone replacement was

[2:33:38] included in operating budgets because of

[2:33:40] the overall value of the all of the cell

[2:33:42] phones that we own we decided that we

[2:33:44] should be capitalizing that so we've

[2:33:46] moved that into the capital budget and

[2:33:47] removed it from the operating

[2:33:51] um and user devices also includes

[2:33:52] $30,000 for the replacement of a plotter

[2:33:56] it infrastructure is 364,000 includes

[2:33:59] Network switches wireless access points

[2:34:01] and battery backups it also includes

[2:34:04] $200,000 for server and storage

[2:34:08] replacement summarizing it the status

[2:34:11] quo operating is only 96% and with

[2:34:14] capital it's 1.78% and then with the

[2:34:16] proposed additions it's 3.2% overall any

[2:34:19] question questions on

[2:34:23] it okay moving on to

[2:34:27] finance we

[2:34:30] have next slide we have 10 full-time

[2:34:33] positions and currently one contract

[2:34:35] position 2025 does include a full year

[2:34:38] of the new financial analyst position

[2:34:40] addit in

[2:34:43] 2024 admin in office includes Consulting

[2:34:46] update as required to the asset

[2:34:48] management plan we have 40,

[2:34:50] in there and as well as $50,000 from the

[2:34:53] for the development charge background

[2:34:54] study both of which will be offset by

[2:34:57] reserves and then in it and

[2:34:59] communication our largest expense

[2:35:01] relates to the annual fees and

[2:35:02] maintenance of our existing software of

[2:35:07] $53,000 transfers as I stated to the

[2:35:10] asset management plan and the

[2:35:11] development charge background study we

[2:35:13] will have coming from the rate

[2:35:14] stabilization ideally the development

[2:35:16] charge background study should be funded

[2:35:18] from the development charge um Reserve

[2:35:20] fund but my study balance is currently

[2:35:22] in a negative so which is why I'm taking

[2:35:24] it from rate

[2:35:27] stabilization um there's only two

[2:35:29] divisions that have digital mod

[2:35:31] modernization this year uh finance and

[2:35:33] people in

[2:35:34] equity so we have three projects on the

[2:35:38] go we are in the final stages of

[2:35:40] implementing our new financial

[2:35:41] information system business Central um

[2:35:44] the money does include backfilling of a

[2:35:46] position to support the implementation

[2:35:48] and the total costs are estimated at

[2:35:50] $23,000 in

[2:35:52] 2025 we are also implementing the new

[2:35:55] asset maintenance uh management system

[2:35:57] that will support all divisions and

[2:35:59] we're just capturing the implementation

[2:36:01] costs within finance and that's

[2:36:04] $190,000 and then a new version of our

[2:36:08] existing uh budgeting software will be

[2:36:10] required to support the changes in

[2:36:11] business Central to allow for pop proper

[2:36:14] integration between the systems and

[2:36:15] we've budgeted $100,000 for that all

[2:36:18] these projects are being it through

[2:36:20] reserves that we've previously set aside

[2:36:21] for digital modernization

[2:36:26] projects proposed additions are um

[2:36:30] request is

[2:36:31] $171,000 for

[2:36:35] 2025 um we are proposing a new

[2:36:38] accounting manager and actually we

[2:36:40] already have this position as a contract

[2:36:42] employee when we moved into the

[2:36:44] implementation of the financial software

[2:36:46] we decided to back fill our Deputy

[2:36:48] Treasurer and we so that she could focus

[2:36:50] on the implementation of the project and

[2:36:52] we created this new accounting position

[2:36:55] who supports the day-to-day and the

[2:36:57] Staffing and he the positions become

[2:37:00] integral and what we found with the

[2:37:02] deputy Treasurer is she never actually

[2:37:03] let go a lot of her duties just because

[2:37:05] there's too much work to do so without

[2:37:08] the added position we're going to be in

[2:37:11] trouble um and then the on the

[2:37:14] previously committed is the is the um

[2:37:18] new software our new Financial software

[2:37:21] the annual fees are approximately

[2:37:23] $110,000 and because we're phasing it in

[2:37:26] it's $35,000 for 20125 and then again

[2:37:29] the same software that we spoke to in

[2:37:31] operations our asset and maintenance

[2:37:33] management the annual fees for uh

[2:37:36] Finance is

[2:37:39] $1,700 any questions on

[2:37:45] those so the

[2:37:47] status oh pH

[2:37:50] has has a

[2:37:53] question yeah yes thank you and and it

[2:37:56] it's about the proposed uh addition of

[2:38:00] staff and and this comes from ignorance

[2:38:03] and sort of what the CAO mentioned on

[2:38:06] Monday about how um the county is a

[2:38:09] different animal than than local tier I

[2:38:12] understand what the finance department

[2:38:15] does at the town of Grand

[2:38:17] Valley with collecting property taxes

[2:38:20] paying stuff um I

[2:38:23] am because the county doesn't collect

[2:38:27] those right other than sending out

[2:38:28] remittances to um the local tiers I'm

[2:38:32] less familiar with what they do so if

[2:38:35] Amy or someone could provide maybe a

[2:38:39] general overview of of sort of the major

[2:38:42] aspects of the um find or the accounting

[2:38:45] Division and then why there's an extra

[2:38:47] person required

[2:38:51] sure um we do over 200 different reports

[2:38:55] to the ministry um throughout the year

[2:38:58] to various Ministries actually I think

[2:39:00] there's probably seven or eight

[2:39:01] different Ministries so this position

[2:39:03] actually helps supporting verifying the

[2:39:05] information and ensuring that our

[2:39:06] financial analysts have um done them

[2:39:09] correctly um we process

[2:39:12] [Music]

[2:39:15] over I don't remember the number of we

[2:39:18] we process it's in the budget bet

[2:39:20] document we process quite a few um

[2:39:23] invoices each week uh probably five or

[2:39:26] 600 invoices every week we're

[2:39:28] processing um our division also includes

[2:39:31] payroll we only have two people within

[2:39:33] payroll and that's a stretch uh what

[2:39:36] else do we do the main point is

[2:39:39] reporting and then doing all the

[2:39:40] financial reporting and the budgeting

[2:39:42] here to

[2:39:43] council and tax policy and Investments

[2:39:47] and insurance

[2:39:57] okay so the status quo budget for

[2:40:00] finance is 5.17 and the total with the

[2:40:03] additions it's 21.8

[2:40:06] 3% keep

[2:40:14] going you went the wrong way sorry

[2:40:20] okay Corporate Finance so Corporate

[2:40:22] Finance Falls within Finance but it's

[2:40:24] separate um because a lot of that the

[2:40:27] things that are within Corporate Finance

[2:40:29] are more corporate in nature and

[2:40:31] specific to finance where it's Finance

[2:40:33] is really focused on the day-to-day so

[2:40:35] in here we have the Investments and the

[2:40:37] insurance and stuff like that um in

[2:40:40] terms of Revenue the taxes included um

[2:40:43] taxation includes supplemental levels

[2:40:45] levies payments and lose net of tax

[2:40:47] writeoffs all of which are an estimate

[2:40:50] and um but we do have a reserve we can

[2:40:53] draw from if we are our estimate is off

[2:40:55] investment income will continue to

[2:40:57] decrease as we've seen the interest

[2:40:58] rates go down and then the government

[2:41:00] transfers includes a subsidy for court

[2:41:04] security uh the net decrease in expenses

[2:41:07] is

[2:41:08] $335,000 which is mainly because um the

[2:41:11] next slide on you the vacancy savings we

[2:41:14] actually increased that from 7 let me go

[2:41:17] back from 750 to a mill ion

[2:41:20] do uh to better reflect the actual it's

[2:41:23] approximately 2.2% we haven't run the

[2:41:25] numbers but I think I spoke to you in

[2:41:27] December that at the end of September of

[2:41:30] this year we were just over $900,000 in

[2:41:34] savings Administration and office

[2:41:36] includes uh just over a million dollars

[2:41:39] for Assessment Services through impact

[2:41:41] we make a payment to the town of

[2:41:43] Orangeville for Courthouse security of

[2:41:45] $125,000 and our liability insurance

[2:41:49] um is included in here as well as an

[2:41:51] amount to cover any insurance costs that

[2:41:53] are below our deductible um that all

[2:41:55] adds up to

[2:41:58] $178,000

[2:42:01] transfers um you may recall a couple

[2:42:03] years ago we talked about um applying

[2:42:06] rate stabilization thank you to the just

[2:42:10] the bottom line of the budget we

[2:42:11] captured in here we had proposed it to

[2:42:14] be

[2:42:15] $750,000 in 2025 but um because of the

[2:42:18] increase in the budget and also because

[2:42:21] the value of the rate stabilization is

[2:42:23] quite large we felt that we could leave

[2:42:24] it at a million

[2:42:28] dollars um so overall the net

[2:42:33] um decrease technically is 84,000 or

[2:42:38] 4.13% any questions on Corporate

[2:42:42] Finance okay

[2:42:44] procurement um procurement has three

[2:42:47] full-time staff

[2:42:51] uh admin and office includes Consulting

[2:42:53] fees to assist in the development of new

[2:42:55] procurement templates of $55,000 legal

[2:42:58] fees of

[2:42:59] 3,000 and we shifted the training and

[2:43:02] development costs of the director of

[2:43:03] corporate services from other divisions

[2:43:05] into those this into

[2:43:08] procurement um overall the net increase

[2:43:10] is

[2:43:12] 5.35% any questions on

[2:43:16] procurement pretty simple um again a

[2:43:19] summary the corporate services increase

[2:43:22] by um Department status quo the net is

[2:43:26] 1.95% and then with the proposed

[2:43:28] additions it's

[2:43:32] 12.06% moving on to people in

[2:43:35] equity so we're presenting people in

[2:43:37] equity differently this year we split

[2:43:40] out to five different divisions

[2:43:41] including people in equity admin Human

[2:43:44] Resources Equity Learning and

[2:43:46] Development and health and safety this

[2:43:48] department does look a little wonky as

[2:43:50] you will see some divisions are way up

[2:43:52] and others are way down the division is

[2:43:55] very the department actually is very

[2:43:56] much uh Project based so all we're

[2:43:59] simply doing is Shifting um projects

[2:44:02] from one division to another there are

[2:44:05] two main drivers to the 11.85% increase

[2:44:09] uh one is staff that we added in 2024

[2:44:11] and then the second is a decrease in the

[2:44:13] health and safety

[2:44:15] revenues in terms of um proposed

[2:44:18] additions the increase now becomes

[2:44:20] 12.17% there's no capital in people in

[2:44:24] equity people in equity

[2:44:27] admin um they have three full-time

[2:44:29] positions there's been a lot of recent

[2:44:31] retirements of long-term staff that have

[2:44:34] resulted in an increase in our

[2:44:35] post-retirement benefits of

[2:44:37] $28,000 we're also seeing an increase in

[2:44:40] our non-union wsib claim costs so we've

[2:44:42] increased that to reflect actual but

[2:44:44] those are offset by transfer from our

[2:44:46] Reserve

[2:44:48] fund the increase is uh as I said

[2:44:50] earlier we added a new position within

[2:44:52] this division which is leading to the

[2:44:54] increase

[2:44:55] here other highlights admin includes

[2:44:58] excess Indemnity and occupational

[2:45:00] accident Insurance of

[2:45:02] $136,000 which are both offset by the WB

[2:45:05] Reserve fund long Service Awards and

[2:45:07] staff events are 25,000 and Consulting

[2:45:10] includes

[2:45:11] 34,000 including a small amount for data

[2:45:14] management policy and framework

[2:45:16] development of

[2:45:17] 4,000 and then in Services recovered is

[2:45:20] just an allocation from other

[2:45:22] divisions transfers from wsib Reserve

[2:45:25] are um put in to offset the costs of

[2:45:29] claim and insurance cost and I just

[2:45:31] wanted to note here that it will

[2:45:33] actually end up being less because we

[2:45:35] did have an excess Indemnity insurance

[2:45:37] um policy that we decide not to renew

[2:45:39] based on recommendation from our

[2:45:41] Actuarial study Consultants because the

[2:45:44] value of our wsib Reserve fund is

[2:45:46] healthy enough that we'll be able we

[2:45:47] don't we don't need that insurance

[2:45:53] um for proposed additions the net is

[2:45:56] zero um we've included the non-union

[2:45:59] wage market review and is proposed being

[2:46:01] offset by the rate uh the rate

[2:46:03] stabilization Reserve because it's a

[2:46:04] onetime

[2:46:06] thing and then the financial summary the

[2:46:10] status quo and the proposed um with the

[2:46:12] proposed increases is 30.9 7% increase

[2:46:15] any questions on the people in equity

[2:46:18] admin

[2:46:26] um just ever so quickly I appreciate the

[2:46:28] way that was described and certainly

[2:46:29] we've been over this I'm just curious on

[2:46:32] those positions that we've added

[2:46:33] recently specifically the investigator

[2:46:36] um I think a lot of us were curious how

[2:46:38] that was going to go it it would be

[2:46:41] great if over time we had discussions

[2:46:44] about how that's going and like a little

[2:46:47] progress report and was it a investment

[2:46:50] or not and if I could um that it would

[2:46:53] be the same comment I would have about

[2:46:55] procurement as well um certainly don't

[2:46:58] doubt that good works are being done

[2:46:59] there by any stretch but it would be

[2:47:00] great to understand um what is the

[2:47:03] savings and um you know what value are

[2:47:06] they bringing longer term and just be

[2:47:09] great outside of this so it's maybe not

[2:47:11] a budget question but certainly

[2:47:13] understand that both departments are

[2:47:14] doing great great work but would love to

[2:47:16] have a few details and just a check in

[2:47:19] at some point and uh appreciate what

[2:47:22] what the numbers

[2:47:26] are thanks

[2:47:30] Todd Phil apparently you're

[2:47:34] online and would like to answer a ask a

[2:47:38] question yeah I can't answer my question

[2:47:41] but I will ask

[2:47:43] it um and it's about the wage market

[2:47:46] review and earlier Rohan said we'

[2:47:48] committed

[2:47:49] doing it every four years I I just want

[2:47:51] to make sure because I couldn't remember

[2:47:53] if we did it in 21 22 so I'm assuming we

[2:47:55] did it in 21 the last

[2:47:58] time

[2:48:01] affirmative easy

[2:48:06] peasy okay moving on to Human Resources

[2:48:09] oh hang on we have one more question

[2:48:11] Philip's question just me so that that

[2:48:14] market review that you have those those

[2:48:17] findings would be not for this Council

[2:48:20] correct like we would we' Implement at a

[2:48:22] later date because there's really

[2:48:23] there's two things there's there's staff

[2:48:25] and then there's there's Council so

[2:48:27] you're going to do do both in

[2:48:31] 2025 so be 2026 well so I'm curious I'm

[2:48:37] curious when you're going to implement

[2:48:38] and I guess what year so it's 2025

[2:48:40] you're going to do it and then you

[2:48:42] implement post this Council yeah through

[2:48:45] you chair so yes uh the not what we're

[2:48:47] talking about is the non-union wage

[2:48:48] market review and so um the review would

[2:48:51] take part in happen in 2025 and we would

[2:48:53] look to implement in

[2:48:57] 2026 you are going to do one for Council

[2:49:00] though too

[2:49:02] right go ahead through you Warden uh

[2:49:05] there is uh one done for council at the

[2:49:07] end of every term of council for

[2:49:09] implementation in the next

[2:49:11] term and that doesn't come in 2025 it

[2:49:14] comes in 2026 correct thank you

[2:49:23] okay Human

[2:49:29] Resources okay Human Resources has six

[2:49:31] full-time positions and one

[2:49:33] student highlights include um legal fees

[2:49:38] of

[2:49:39] $65,000 they have $155,000 included for

[2:49:42] specialized recruitment advertising to

[2:49:44] Target under Service Groups and then um

[2:49:47] internal service is recovered they do

[2:49:50] have additional Staffing costs um

[2:49:53] they're directly that directly support

[2:49:54] Duff

[2:49:58] NOS digital modernization this is the

[2:50:00] other division that has digital

[2:50:02] modernization implementation of a human

[2:50:04] resource information system is estimated

[2:50:07] $350,000 work on this project began in

[2:50:09] 2020 2024 with final product selection

[2:50:12] expected in early 2025 with

[2:50:14] implementation to

[2:50:16] follow the $350,000 is an estimate and

[2:50:19] it is possible May way may require more

[2:50:21] funds if that is the case we will

[2:50:23] present bring a report to Council of

[2:50:25] course um and as part of the digital

[2:50:27] modernization project costs associated

[2:50:29] with this project will be offset by

[2:50:31] reserves set aside specifically for

[2:50:33] these

[2:50:36] items uh summarizing HR status quo is

[2:50:40] 2.49% the digital projects of course

[2:50:42] have no

[2:50:44] impact um but there will be impacts in

[2:50:47] future years when we bring the the um

[2:50:49] annual fees on so they're yeah it's

[2:50:54] 2.49% moving on to

[2:50:56] equity there are two full-time staff in

[2:50:59] equity the one position was added in

[2:51:01] 2024 hence the large increase to

[2:51:02] salaries and

[2:51:05] benefits highlights corporate training

[2:51:07] includes $20,000 for the balance owing

[2:51:09] for the anti-racism training which began

[2:51:11] in 2024 which will be offset by transfer

[2:51:14] from Reserve we have $40,000 for

[2:51:17] Keynotes for days of significant

[2:51:19] 2 S

[2:51:21] lgbtq Plus people leader training

[2:51:24] $4,000 indigenous education for people

[2:51:26] leaders of

[2:51:27] 35,000 and then we have Consulting fees

[2:51:30] including which includes 15,000 to

[2:51:32] support policy

[2:51:33] development and then within Service

[2:51:36] delivery uh We've included $330,000 for

[2:51:39] Community discussion

[2:51:42] series uh transfer shows the mount from

[2:51:45] anti-racism

[2:51:53] uh I just had a question about uh the

[2:51:55] training so so many of these training

[2:51:57] programs have been common in workplaces

[2:52:00] for 10 15 years or so um I'm not sure

[2:52:03] how long they've been rolled out here at

[2:52:04] the county but um is there any attempt

[2:52:08] to do any evaluation of the programming

[2:52:10] in terms of uh any impact they're having

[2:52:13] with staff on their work or on the

[2:52:16] morale like positive or negative is are

[2:52:18] we are we doing an evaluation on these

[2:52:20] these trainings and and the impact that

[2:52:22] they're

[2:52:23] having

[2:52:25] ran uh through you Warden um short

[2:52:29] answer uh around um so the mandatory

[2:52:32] trainings uh that we done so far for

[2:52:35] people leaders uh we we do do an

[2:52:38] evaluation um in in terms of uh yeah so

[2:52:42] we do do an evaluation for the mandatory

[2:52:44] trainings um in the um at last council

[2:52:48] meeting uh we had brought forward uh a

[2:52:50] report um just doing sort of INE Equity

[2:52:54] uh people in equity Department status

[2:52:56] update and there was a a section in that

[2:52:59] report that really spoke to evaluation

[2:53:01] um and so and the results of those

[2:53:03] evaluation uh coming from from staff um

[2:53:07] the around the trainings that we do that

[2:53:09] are um are voluntary uh we are not doing

[2:53:13] um evaluations for those that uh that

[2:53:16] aren't voluntary uh but it would be easy

[2:53:18] easy enough to do um an evaluation for

[2:53:21] those trainings that are not mandatory

[2:53:24] um for for staff and so

[2:53:27] um within the broader sort of picture of

[2:53:30] the of the equity strategy um was noted

[2:53:34] from staff that uh the provision of a

[2:53:37] whole host of trainings uh related to

[2:53:41] equity psychological safety inclusion um

[2:53:44] so we're trying to be responsive to

[2:53:45] those uh identified um uh requirements

[2:53:49] and requests from

[2:53:53] staff are you okay with that

[2:53:56] James yeah thank

[2:53:58] you Phil I understand you have a

[2:54:02] question uh thank you I wondering if we

[2:54:05] could just go back to uh the recruitment

[2:54:08] advertising that was mentioned briefly

[2:54:10] and if Rohan could give um sort of a

[2:54:14] description of that I miss from what I

[2:54:16] understood well no how about I just ask

[2:54:18] for what that's going to be um and out

[2:54:22] of

[2:54:24] curiosity um uh through you uh Warden uh

[2:54:28] great question uh so um in addition to

[2:54:32] sort of the traditional sort of Legacy

[2:54:34] websites that we use to to post all of

[2:54:37] our external postings uh when we are

[2:54:40] posting externally for jobs uh we also

[2:54:43] um have uh work we're working with a

[2:54:47] about three um sort of community uh

[2:54:51] Community specific job boards uh and

[2:54:54] those are around persons with

[2:54:55] disabilities uh indigenous um uh

[2:54:58] indigenous Community uh and the 2s lgbtq

[2:55:01] plus community and so these are

[2:55:04] organizations that cater directly

[2:55:07] towards those particular communities and

[2:55:09] so we also post all of our external jobs

[2:55:12] to those communities to try to enhance

[2:55:15] um uh to to have a more robust uh pool

[2:55:18] of recruits uh for all of our job

[2:55:28] postings you have more questions Phil no

[2:55:32] no just to summarize so this is

[2:55:33] basically a way of just getting word out

[2:55:37] as as far as possible to find qualified

[2:55:42] candidates affirmative yes on

[2:55:51] okay okay uh the summary for Equity um

[2:55:56] status quote increase is 7.19% with no

[2:55:59] proposed additions until

[2:56:02] 2027 health and

[2:56:06] safety government transfers is the money

[2:56:09] that we get from lower tiers we now only

[2:56:11] have three utilizing the county health

[2:56:13] and safety

[2:56:14] Services um plus we had a change in the

[2:56:16] funding model as a result at in revenues

[2:56:18] from the lower

[2:56:22] tiers expenses are down

[2:56:25] $133,000

[2:56:26] um this division includes one full-time

[2:56:30] position and we reduce the

[2:56:32] Staffing um because we removed a student

[2:56:35] position that we just haven't been

[2:56:37] filling service delivery includes costs

[2:56:40] for training provided to other divisions

[2:56:42] or organizations and there's 100% offset

[2:56:45] by other Revenue

[2:56:48] traditionally we uh offset approximately

[2:56:51] 50% of the health and safety costs from

[2:56:54] the wsib reserve fund so we have

[2:56:56] continued to do

[2:56:59] that proposed additions uh some small

[2:57:03] additions here new health and wellness

[2:57:05] program to Pro promote employee wellness

[2:57:07] and well-being of

[2:57:09] $2,500 and a series of events to promote

[2:57:12] health and safety work week of

[2:57:17] $4,000 summarizing health and safety the

[2:57:19] status quo increase shows 100% because

[2:57:23] previously it was not on the tax levy

[2:57:25] with approximately half coming from the

[2:57:27] de IB reserve and half from others that

[2:57:29] use the service uh this is one we have

[2:57:32] one of the largest increases in people

[2:57:34] in

[2:57:35] equity any questions on that

[2:57:38] division moving to learning and

[2:57:40] organizational

[2:57:43] development this division has only one

[2:57:46] employee one position

[2:57:49] some highlights corporate training

[2:57:50] includes Conflict Management resolution

[2:57:53] train the trainer for duffen Oaks staff

[2:57:56] $20,000 a leadershop workshop series of

[2:57:59] $10,000 and training to build capacity

[2:58:01] of management to support mental health

[2:58:03] in the workplace is 7 Consulting fees

[2:58:06] include development of a leadership core

[2:58:08] competency identified in the equity

[2:58:10] audit of

[2:58:13] $60,000 transfers we are pulling from

[2:58:17] the rate stabilization for the different

[2:58:18] Oaks train the trainer at $220,000 and

[2:58:21] then the development of the leadership

[2:58:23] car competencies because it's the

[2:58:24] onetime cost of

[2:58:28] $6,000 uh

[2:58:30] summary the sizeus quot increases down

[2:58:33] 8.55 because we've shifted costs to

[2:58:35] other

[2:58:36] divisions any questions on Learning and

[2:58:41] Development councelor Mills thank you

[2:58:44] madam this may not be the the

[2:58:46] place to ask but but it it's why I'm

[2:58:48] going to ask how how do we budget for um

[2:58:51] for conferences for staff and and in

[2:58:54] particular senior staff that the reason

[2:58:56] I'm asking I've noticed over the last

[2:58:59] few years that you know Duff's

[2:59:01] representation at Roma Amo I I suspect

[2:59:04] fcm is the same when it comes to our

[2:59:07] senior staff is pretty light as compared

[2:59:10] to a lot of other counties and and I'm

[2:59:11] just wondering if if there's a gap there

[2:59:14] in the budget and and we're just not

[2:59:15] allocating enough money for our senior

[2:59:17] staff to take advantage of these who am

[2:59:20] I sending this one

[2:59:22] to D you Warden uh the the amount for

[2:59:25] conferences for senior staff is included

[2:59:27] in their individual budgets under

[2:59:29] conferences and um

[2:59:31] certainly there likely is some room in

[2:59:34] those budgets for staff to attend Amo

[2:59:37] and and fcm and some of those other uh

[2:59:40] broader conferences um that's a

[2:59:44] discussion we can have there just hasn't

[2:59:46] been I don't think um

[2:59:49] the need the need to do so but I I do

[2:59:52] hear your point about there being

[2:59:53] additional representation from other

[2:59:54] counties and that's definitely something

[2:59:56] we can look

[3:00:01] at okay um the next slides are just

[3:00:04] summarizing the status quo and the um

[3:00:08] proposed increases for

[3:00:11] uh people in equity any so there's no

[3:00:14] more questions that concludes ggs

[3:00:20] thank you

[3:00:22] Amy so are we breaking for a dinner

[3:00:26] break here yeah okay and we'll return

[3:00:31] back to the table

[3:00:34] at 6:30

[3:00:36] 6:30 6:30

[3:00:40] okay and the meal is I think it's in the

[3:00:44] kitchen straight down the hall okay all

[3:00:46] right

[3:01:16] e e

[3:27:13] okay folks we'll uh come back to order

[3:27:17] and uh Amy is going to continue the Amy

[3:27:20] show and I see Raj is in the hot seat uh

[3:27:23] next so uh we'll continue on with

[3:27:26] Community Development and

[3:27:30] Tourism thank you we'll just wait uh to

[3:27:32] get the presentation

[3:27:40] up okay we're moving into Community

[3:27:42] Development and Tourism

[3:27:51] I don't have any questions on

[3:27:53] this not

[3:27:57] yet just having some technical

[3:28:00] difficulties there we go

[3:28:15] no e

[3:28:56] okay development tourism has four

[3:29:00] divisions uh you can go to the next

[3:29:01] slide building shows as zero because

[3:29:04] there's no Reliance on the tax levy

[3:29:06] combined the Departments are up 4.8%

[3:29:08] status

[3:29:10] quo and with proposed additions it's

[3:29:13] 5.93%

[3:29:16] the museum does propose some changes but

[3:29:19] the uh the revenue and the expense is n

[3:29:21] to zero so it looks like there's no

[3:29:25] increase

[3:29:27] Capital so similar to the other ones you

[3:29:30] see the orange line which is the value

[3:29:31] of the capital asset fund going up and

[3:29:33] down and the blue line Remains the

[3:29:35] Same and Museum and building both have

[3:29:44] capital okay moving on on to Building

[3:29:48] Services let's start with revenues um an

[3:29:51] amendment was made to our current fee

[3:29:53] schedule that will be in effect January

[3:29:55] 1st the Amendments capture permit fees

[3:29:58] for new items added to the building code

[3:30:00] increase fees for non-conforming permits

[3:30:02] and Enforcement cases and to provide

[3:30:05] further Clarity where there was room for

[3:30:07] misinterpretation even with all that it

[3:30:09] is still difficult to project what the

[3:30:11] actual activity will

[3:30:13] be um

[3:30:17] so the permit revenues do in have a

[3:30:20] small increase and we did remove

[3:30:22] amran the other revenue is a recovery

[3:30:25] from The Institute for National disaster

[3:30:27] for the hurricane clip

[3:30:29] program moving on to expenses expenses

[3:30:33] are up 38,000 or

[3:30:35] 1.87% salaries and benefits include 10

[3:30:37] full-time staff one contract and one

[3:30:40] summer student

[3:30:41] position other highlights it

[3:30:43] communication includes the annual fee of

[3:30:46] about $115,000 for City

[3:30:49] View vehicles and Equipment they will

[3:30:52] see a savings as they've shifted to

[3:30:55] electric vehicles and then internal

[3:30:58] Services used is a lot of those

[3:31:00] recovered amounts that we've pulled in

[3:31:02] from other

[3:31:03] [Music]

[3:31:06] divisions bill you have a

[3:31:10] question I am yes thank you through you

[3:31:13] Warden um the difference

[3:31:17] between um revenues and expenses is

[3:31:21] massive now I understand that it doesn't

[3:31:24] directly impact the levy but it is

[3:31:26] eventually going to impact um fees and I

[3:31:30] I'm I don't remember it being that big

[3:31:34] Amy could you and I don't know this

[3:31:36] isn't your department um but could you

[3:31:38] speak to when the Gap got so big and is

[3:31:42] it simply a and and why if possible

[3:31:47] yeah uh through you Warden um we added a

[3:31:50] few more staff the last few years

[3:31:53] um two or three or maybe even I think

[3:31:57] three three in the last few years which

[3:32:00] has pushed it up one of them is a

[3:32:01] contract position that is due to end

[3:32:03] next year I believe the

[3:32:04] 2-year um contract does that answer your

[3:32:12] question yeah yeah it doesn't seem to

[3:32:15] count

[3:32:17] for like they're double right expenses I

[3:32:20] think are double revenues even

[3:32:26] more yeah the other piece too like I

[3:32:28] said earlier the the actual revenues are

[3:32:31] really really hard to estimate so we

[3:32:33] kind of go off of what we think they'll

[3:32:35] be what they've been in the past year or

[3:32:37] two um and nine times out a 10 it always

[3:32:40] ends up being more than what we budget

[3:32:42] so we end up put either taking less out

[3:32:44] of the reserve or even putting money

[3:32:46] into the reserve

[3:32:47] fund um but to and I don't mean to

[3:32:51] belabor the point I don't think you have

[3:32:52] a year where you're where you're H

[3:32:56] projecting to cover costs up to 2028 if

[3:33:01] I look that that chart

[3:33:05] correctly yeah I think if I think if you

[3:33:07] do look out to 2028 we will not have

[3:33:10] enough money in the reserve

[3:33:13] fund okay

[3:33:18] okay transfers we were talking about um

[3:33:25] the sorry through you Warden um uh just

[3:33:29] to address councelor wrench's question

[3:33:31] there um we are expecting to have lower

[3:33:33] permit numbers therefore there would be

[3:33:35] lower Revenue however we will see this

[3:33:37] rise again as you can take a look at

[3:33:39] that graph you will see dips and Es and

[3:33:41] flows um and this is predicted um

[3:33:45] through the per fee study that we have

[3:33:47] undertaken so um it will eventually go

[3:33:51] up it's and like Amy mentioned it's it's

[3:33:54] sort of hard to predict at this point

[3:33:56] what exactly we're going to be seeing in

[3:33:57] terms of permit numbers but um I just

[3:33:59] wanted to add that as a point of

[3:34:08] clarification okay we are proposed well

[3:34:10] weit because it balances out to zero we

[3:34:12] have $1.2 million coming from the

[3:34:14] reserve fund in

[3:34:18] 2025 and in summary because there's no

[3:34:21] impact on the levy it's 0% increase for

[3:34:23] building any other questions for

[3:34:28] building okay moving on to the Museum of

[3:34:33] defn uh user fees include programs and

[3:34:36] tours Admissions and membership revenues

[3:34:38] government transfer includes a onetime

[3:34:41] or the grant that we receive annually

[3:34:43] which honestly I don't think it's ever

[3:34:44] changed

[3:34:46] since I started at the county um other

[3:34:48] Revenue includes an increase in

[3:34:51] Consignment Sales to better reflect what

[3:34:52] are actual has been and an increase in

[3:34:54] fundraising Revenue to support

[3:34:55] interactive exhibits to

[3:34:59] $38,000 on the expense side it's up

[3:35:02] 6.34% the museum includes seven

[3:35:04] full-time positions one part-time

[3:35:06] position and four student

[3:35:09] interns highlights uh supplies and

[3:35:12] Exhibits have increased to

[3:35:13] $48,500 to allow for more interactive

[3:35:16] program Pro programming partially offset

[3:35:18] by additional fundraising revenues

[3:35:20] programming costs um are $19,500

[3:35:24] it and Communications we have software

[3:35:27] licensing fees have increased to

[3:35:30] 17,300 and website hosting and

[3:35:32] maintenance costs have increased to

[3:35:34] 11,500 facilities include snow clearing

[3:35:37] of 15,800 which decreased by nearly half

[3:35:40] we have a small decrease in cleaning

[3:35:42] cost to

[3:35:44] 44,000 um and then general maintenance

[3:35:48] has a small increase to

[3:35:50] $75,000 and the internal Services

[3:35:52] recovered is just an allocation of

[3:35:54] support costs primarily from the

[3:35:55] facility

[3:35:58] staff transfers a small amount is

[3:36:00] included to offset operating cost each

[3:36:03] year $88,000 from the museum trust any

[3:36:07] excess any excess fundraising or

[3:36:09] donation Revenue received is transferred

[3:36:12] back to the museum

[3:36:14] trust there are are a couple of proposed

[3:36:16] additions The Net Zero uh the net to

[3:36:20] zero uh they're looking at adding

[3:36:22] additional events to increased visitor

[3:36:24] engagement specifically for Halloween

[3:36:25] and family day of

[3:36:27] $1,000 there's a new grounds maintenance

[3:36:29] program to allow for natural asset

[3:36:31] management of

[3:36:33] 4,000 and lastly new Revenue generating

[3:36:36] opportunities resulting in a rise in

[3:36:38] bookings and revenue for space rentals

[3:36:40] of 5,000 I just want to touch based on

[3:36:42] the natural Asset Management you're

[3:36:43] going to see that in a number of

[3:36:45] buildings it's something new that our

[3:36:46] facility department has is rolling out

[3:36:49] we found that we've been neglecting our

[3:36:51] trees and it's just um money to go in

[3:36:54] prune trees and ensure that they they're

[3:36:57] all

[3:36:58] good um moving on to the capital asset

[3:37:02] fund looking at the bottom line You'll

[3:37:04] see how the capital asset fund decreases

[3:37:05] over the next few years this is due to

[3:37:08] the value of the

[3:37:09] work over the next little bit next slide

[3:37:15] uh the prior your carry forward

[3:37:18] $228,000 includes um some electrical

[3:37:21] work

[3:37:22] of

[3:37:24] $150,000 Museum window Windows of 20

[3:37:27] exterior doors of 242 and museum water

[3:37:30] tank heater of $4,000 which I think it's

[3:37:34] been carried for it a couple years we

[3:37:36] won't replace it until it really needs

[3:37:37] it and then the balance is just savings

[3:37:40] on other

[3:37:42] projects uh tax L requirements remain

[3:37:44] unchanged between 24 and

[3:37:46] 25 um moving to Capital

[3:37:50] Work Land improvements we have parking

[3:37:53] lot um is due for replacement of

[3:37:55] $150,000 buildings we have updates to

[3:37:58] the fire alarm panel Transformer and

[3:38:00] switch gears of

[3:38:01] 31,000 window replacements a 20 and a

[3:38:04] carryover from

[3:38:05] 2024 um to make the front doors more

[3:38:08] accessible of

[3:38:11] 26,000 to summarize the museum status

[3:38:14] quo operating is 5. 59% when you add in

[3:38:17] capital it's 5.25 and then with um

[3:38:20] additions it's still 5.25 any questions

[3:38:23] for

[3:38:27] Museum moving on to land use planning

[3:38:30] user fees are planning fees and

[3:38:34] government transfer is actually funding

[3:38:36] from the lower tiers for the services we

[3:38:38] provide

[3:38:39] them on the expense side it's up 36,000

[3:38:43] or 6.77%

[3:38:46] they are there are three full-time

[3:38:48] positions within this

[3:38:50] division other highlights uh we have

[3:38:52] legal fees of $10,000 to address any

[3:38:55] matters related to the Ontario land

[3:38:57] tribunal due to provincial planning

[3:38:58] statement Conformity and disputes

[3:39:01] Consulting includes 15,000 for asset

[3:39:03] mapping infrastructure and servicing

[3:39:05] needs 10,000 for boundary expansion and

[3:39:08] agricultural assessments 10,000 related

[3:39:11] to official plan Amendment approvals for

[3:39:13] intensification of conformity and

[3:39:15] $20,000 for settlement boundary

[3:39:20] assessments uh we are we've included a

[3:39:24] small amount from the rate stabilization

[3:39:26] just to mitigate um ongoing

[3:39:29] increases to summarize planning the net

[3:39:32] increas is 5.3% any questions on

[3:39:38] planning moving along to Economic

[3:39:43] Development other Revenue includes uh

[3:39:46] $10,000 of

[3:39:48] anti $10,000 for selling ad spaces and

[3:39:52] paid content in the 2025 explore Duff

[3:39:56] guide the expenses are actually down

[3:39:59] 47,000 because TW last year included the

[3:40:02] um strap the economic development

[3:40:04] strategic plan there are two full-time

[3:40:06] positions within this

[3:40:08] division other highlights in admitted

[3:40:10] office um hosting indust industry

[3:40:13] Roundtable meetings we have 5,000 set

[3:40:15] aside Consulting fees for sector plans

[3:40:18] and strategies of 20,000 and explore

[3:40:20] duffing guide of 60 Grand Service

[3:40:23] delivery includes $40,000 for the small

[3:40:25] business Enterprise Center two community

[3:40:28] events of $20,000 tourism development of

[3:40:31] 20 and sector development projects for

[3:40:33] another

[3:40:35] 20 it and communication includes website

[3:40:38] hosting and maintenance of 15,000 as

[3:40:40] well as software Annual fees for

[3:40:41] customer relationship management

[3:40:43] software of $10,000

[3:40:46] proposed additions in 2025 net to

[3:40:49] $25,000 the development of a community

[3:40:52] Improvement plan to support investment

[3:40:54] the planning act does allow

[3:40:55] municipalities to designate Community

[3:40:57] Improvement project areas to offer

[3:40:59] financial and non-financial incentives

[3:41:02] to create employment opportunities and

[3:41:04] amenities we are proposing $80,000 for

[3:41:07] this project come from the rate

[3:41:09] stabilization reserve and then the

[3:41:11] development implementation of the

[3:41:13] investment attraction program in cons

[3:41:15] consultation with local municipalities

[3:41:17] to promote different to investors and

[3:41:19] site selectors domestic and

[3:41:21] international by highlighting the

[3:41:23] competitive advantage of locating and

[3:41:25] starting a business here we have $25,000

[3:41:27] in the budget any questions on

[3:41:33] those

[3:41:35] just councilor Garrett just could you go

[3:41:39] back one just thinking of the the

[3:41:42] investment attraction program

[3:41:46] is that is that enough like it's it I

[3:41:50] see how you could get through that uh

[3:41:52] amount of money very

[3:41:54] quickly um and I think it's a it's it's

[3:41:58] an important piece for economic

[3:41:59] development so just curious Raj can you

[3:42:02] explain this was supposed to have

[3:42:03] happened this fall and it it

[3:42:06] wasn't or is it the same

[3:42:09] thing through you uh uh Warden um

[3:42:13] councelor Garretts you do raise a a good

[3:42:15] Point um but maybe I'll just clarify

[3:42:18] what what the warden is referring to

[3:42:20] that was um our investment uh attraction

[3:42:26] day um and that has been pushed to

[3:42:28] Spring of 2025 so that's completely

[3:42:30] different it's a separate line item but

[3:42:33] what the investment attraction program

[3:42:34] really speaks to um and if I can just

[3:42:37] add a little bit of detail here um we

[3:42:39] were one of 10 municipalities that were

[3:42:42] selected to go um and Pitch to tourism

[3:42:45] development site selectors uh this year

[3:42:48] so it was it was an amazing experience

[3:42:50] um and we were one of two rural

[3:42:52] municipalities that went and presented a

[3:42:54] different County um to to different

[3:42:57] tourism developers one of them being

[3:42:59] hawkley Valley um they were there along

[3:43:01] with the Marriott and uh Hilton so in

[3:43:05] order for us to continue to do that type

[3:43:07] of work um you're absolutely right

[3:43:09] councelor Garretts 25,000 is is a a drop

[3:43:12] in the bucket but um given the fact that

[3:43:16] our overall budget came in at 5% I was

[3:43:18] trying to be conservative when coming up

[3:43:21] with that number um but we have

[3:43:23] developed um an Investors Guide which

[3:43:25] has done fairly well we've actually won

[3:43:27] two Awards um for the Investors Guide so

[3:43:29] we're well on our way but I mean if if

[3:43:32] it Council so wishes to give me more

[3:43:35] money I don't say no to that um but

[3:43:37] 25,000 does get us started at least

[3:43:46] um if you notice in the 2020 go back

[3:43:49] slide 2627 we are slowly increasing that

[3:43:52] amount under a new 2025 expense for the

[3:43:56] investment attration

[3:43:58] program to summarize Economic

[3:44:00] Development the stus quote operating is

[3:44:02] 3.49% and with the proposed additions

[3:44:04] it's

[3:44:06] 8.33 and then again the last two slides

[3:44:09] are just summarizing the status quo and

[3:44:12] the proposed increases

[3:44:18] any further

[3:44:21] questions you got off lightly garage

[3:44:51] maybe Council Garrett yeah maybe while

[3:44:55] we're waiting we we could have a

[3:44:56] discussion at the council level if we

[3:44:58] want to increase that uh at this point

[3:45:01] the the 25,000 for the the

[3:45:03] implementation plan I I think personally

[3:45:05] I think uh I would like to see an amount

[3:45:08] that uh the department can do a good job

[3:45:13] I appreciate uh trying to save money but

[3:45:16] I I think

[3:45:17] it's uh it's important I think it's

[3:45:21] important so I'd like to know I guess if

[3:45:23] that's if the real number is is 50 and

[3:45:27] and where we go from here so I don't

[3:45:28] know if you've got a

[3:45:30] number in

[3:45:34] Mind through you Warden do you want me

[3:45:36] to go back to where Brenda okay

[3:45:38] excellent um the the real number that

[3:45:42] ultimately we came up with

[3:45:45] um when we were developing the

[3:45:47] investment attraction strategy itself

[3:45:50] was closer to 880,000

[3:45:53] um but like I said I was trying to be

[3:45:55] conservative given the fact that our our

[3:45:57] overall budget uh did come in at 5%

[3:46:02] so yeah I think it personally I I'd like

[3:46:06] to see it go up I don't know to what

[3:46:08] level I think I still need to to think

[3:46:10] about that if anyone else has a

[3:46:11] suggestion um happy to hear it but I I

[3:46:15] do think it's it's an

[3:46:17] important tool for all the

[3:46:19] municipalities and and duffen uh to have

[3:46:24] so councelor Taylor did you have a

[3:46:28] comment the only thing I was going to

[3:46:29] say is it's similar to what you were

[3:46:31] saying Chris which is why I prom

[3:46:33] prompted you is uh sometimes when you

[3:46:35] spend money um a little bit is a waste

[3:46:40] it's a joke it doesn't go far it doesn't

[3:46:42] do what it's intended um but I I'm not

[3:46:44] from Amar enough with what we're trying

[3:46:46] to accomplish and even to say the 80

[3:46:48] grand I don't know what that is so it's

[3:46:50] hard to make an interpretation at this

[3:46:53] point but uh I don't know where we go

[3:46:55] with it because I don't I don't feel

[3:46:57] like I don't have the information but it

[3:46:59] feels like it's just not enough to

[3:47:01] sustain a a good

[3:47:04] program councelor guardhouse through

[3:47:06] Warden um I would make this suggesting

[3:47:09] that we put that on the list of

[3:47:10] considerations right now right now that

[3:47:13] we' come back to it and whether we want

[3:47:14] want to increase it or keeps Tas quo but

[3:47:17] we'll we'll think about it and when it

[3:47:19] comes back we'll have the opportunity to

[3:47:21] to consider it because it is points are

[3:47:23] taken that have been

[3:47:29] made okay last last piece Brenda now

[3:47:32] you're in the hot

[3:47:36] seat okay Health and Human

[3:47:41] Services consists of community services

[3:47:44] stuff Oaks paramedics and public health

[3:47:47] so we're going to start with Community

[3:47:49] Services there are currently three

[3:47:51] divisions within Community Services with

[3:47:54] the status quo decrease of0

[3:47:57] 41% moving to the increased includ the

[3:48:00] proposed addition slide we add a new

[3:48:03] division that we're calling housing

[3:48:05] strategy which leaves us at 12.3% 12.36%

[3:48:11] increase Community Services capital

[3:48:15] similar to all the other ones the

[3:48:16] capital asset fund does go up and down

[3:48:18] as the value of work um goes up and

[3:48:22] down Capital includes both housing and u

[3:48:27] m Mel Burnside

[3:48:30] Village early years in child

[3:48:35] care on the revenue side we've actually

[3:48:37] seen a small a reduction in our regular

[3:48:40] Child Care funding of 2.8 million as our

[3:48:43] as the funding shifts to sewel which

[3:48:46] increased by more than $1 million for a

[3:48:49] net increase of just over $8

[3:48:51] million the other Revenue includes um as

[3:48:55] we get additional subsidies it also

[3:48:56] means we are able to have ADM Revenue to

[3:49:01] offset our admin cost so this is just

[3:49:03] allocating the revenue from the

[3:49:05] programming lines to the

[3:49:08] admin on the expense side there's eight

[3:49:11] full-time and seven part-time um staff

[3:49:15] the total increase there sorry in

[3:49:16] expenses is

[3:49:18] 8.43

[3:49:20] million or

[3:49:22] 50% um back to the staff early in 2024

[3:49:25] we did add a third Community Services

[3:49:27] worker to support the increased

[3:49:28] requirements of seawalk which is

[3:49:30] contributing to the large increase in

[3:49:32] salaries and

[3:49:35] benefits highlights within Service

[3:49:37] delivery um with the increase in funding

[3:49:40] becomes the increase in Service delivery

[3:49:41] of the net uh increase of over $8

[3:49:43] million

[3:49:45] and then the internal Services used as a

[3:49:47] allocation of support cost from other

[3:49:48] departments including

[3:49:51] Finance proposed additions um the net

[3:49:55] for 2025 is

[3:49:57] $107,000 uh this is previously committed

[3:49:59] is the data and funding analyst position

[3:50:02] that was approved at the September

[3:50:03] council meeting uh they're responsible

[3:50:05] for providing support to Defence

[3:50:07] licensed childcare

[3:50:09] sector and Council approved this

[3:50:11] temporary position as a 12-month

[3:50:13] contract and it is anticipated that

[3:50:14] based on funding a request to create a

[3:50:16] permanent position will be proposed in

[3:50:18] 2026 budget which is the proposed

[3:50:20] Staffing line included in the

[3:50:23] chart any questions on

[3:50:27] that to summarize early years in child

[3:50:30] care due to additional funding the

[3:50:32] status quo is a net decrease of 8.69 and

[3:50:35] with the proposed additions it becomes

[3:50:37] an increase of

[3:50:39] 1.55% moving on to

[3:50:43] housing the revenue side rent is

[3:50:45] certainly a large portion of their

[3:50:47] revenues as it's government transfers

[3:50:49] we're seeing a decrease in subsidies as

[3:50:52] agreements with our um housing providers

[3:50:54] are expiring the other decrease relates

[3:50:57] to the reaching home program where we

[3:50:59] budgeted based on what we knew at the

[3:51:01] time and since that we pulled these

[3:51:02] numbers together we did learn that we

[3:51:04] will be getting

[3:51:05] more other re Revenue similar to early

[3:51:08] years in childcare is primarily the

[3:51:10] allocation of administrative funding

[3:51:12] from the various programs

[3:51:15] councelor

[3:51:16] Nicks maybe I'm on the next page

[3:51:18] expenses I do you I'll wait till you

[3:51:21] finish revenue and then I have a

[3:51:22] question on expenses I'm done oh okay I

[3:51:26] in looking at the total expenses what

[3:51:28] the thought that went through my mind we

[3:51:31] discussed at Council the possibility of

[3:51:33] doing something with the parking lot on

[3:51:34] Elizabeth Street and I I can't remember

[3:51:37] how far we got with that discussion I

[3:51:39] think there was some sense of urgency to

[3:51:41] get it done before this term of council

[3:51:43] was over is there any anything in this

[3:51:45] expense budget that is is

[3:51:48] anticipating doing something with the

[3:51:51] parking lot in Elizabeth

[3:51:53] Street Brenda do you want to answer this

[3:51:56] actually I can I can answer this so

[3:51:58] there's actually a new division called

[3:51:59] housing strategy which focuses on just

[3:52:03] that we'll get

[3:52:05] to So within um the housing expenses the

[3:52:08] net expenses are down

[3:52:11] $114,000 uh the housing division has 10

[3:52:14] full time positions and one full-time

[3:52:16] contract position it also includes two

[3:52:18] housing stability positions um that

[3:52:21] report to Ontario Works leadership the

[3:52:24] net decrease in salaries and benefits

[3:52:26] are a result of Shifting internal

[3:52:28] positions to external agencies and are

[3:52:30] offset by the increase in Service

[3:52:34] delivery highlights there's uh savings

[3:52:36] within admin office of

[3:52:38] $218,000 as debentures on the original

[3:52:40] housing buildings um have been paid off

[3:52:44] Service delivery includes increases to

[3:52:47] the rent supplement program of $80,000

[3:52:49] and um shift of the reaching home funds

[3:52:51] from salary to Service delivery of

[3:52:54] 258 and then the internal services use

[3:52:58] is an adjustment to reflect the actual

[3:53:00] time um and costs of facility staff

[3:53:03] supporting the

[3:53:04] division on to

[3:53:06] transfers uh we continue to apply

[3:53:08] reserves to offset the inability to

[3:53:10] collect and apply development charges to

[3:53:12] housing we have establish that a plan a

[3:53:16] couple years ago over a couple we have a

[3:53:18] few more years to

[3:53:21] go councelor Garrett just back to

[3:53:24] expenses I did ask a question in advance

[3:53:27] Brenda answered and it was whether or

[3:53:28] not the rent rent supplement is maxed

[3:53:30] every year the answer was yes but I

[3:53:33] probably should have asked uh I think

[3:53:35] you just mentioned how much we increase

[3:53:37] it on an annual basis and actually like

[3:53:39] what is how much are we uh spending on

[3:53:42] that

[3:53:45] sorry to put you on the spot I tried my

[3:53:46] best to to ask all my questions in

[3:53:48] advance but I I I forgot

[3:53:53] one so that would really depend on what

[3:53:56] we do receive um through subsidy for

[3:54:00] that but each year we do re when we do

[3:54:02] receive those we do Max it out okay

[3:54:05] because I was just thinking you know I

[3:54:06] think when we were talking about the

[3:54:08] parking lot at the council level there

[3:54:10] was some hesitancy to do anything before

[3:54:13] we had the

[3:54:15] the task force in place perhaps and so I

[3:54:19] was just wondering if this is something

[3:54:21] we can uh increase to make an impact

[3:54:24] right away you I used to have a building

[3:54:26] and I had tenants who used this program

[3:54:28] great program um so that's all I was I

[3:54:32] was thinking I think Amy's got an answer

[3:54:34] for this yeah sorry housing is ingrained

[3:54:37] in me because that's where I started

[3:54:38] when I joined the county um so the rent

[3:54:41] supplement

[3:54:43] program there's two portions to it one

[3:54:45] is funded and one is not really funded

[3:54:49] we do get a little bit of subsidy still

[3:54:51] but as the agreements run out we're no

[3:54:52] longer getting Federal funding which is

[3:54:55] I think there's a decrease there of 68

[3:54:58] uh we have proposed in the or we have

[3:54:59] included in the budget

[3:55:01] $824,000 for total rents up which

[3:55:03] includes I think maybe2 200 which is

[3:55:07] funded through reaching

[3:55:11] home okay thanks I think that's another

[3:55:14] one I would like to discuss further

[3:55:17] maybe at the next meeting because like I

[3:55:20] said I think that's something where we

[3:55:22] can make an impact right away rather

[3:55:24] than waiting to build

[3:55:25] buildings um so the rent sub program if

[3:55:29] I may um we do have agreements with a

[3:55:32] number of different buildings and I know

[3:55:35] that we've had a little bit of

[3:55:36] difficulty the last few years getting

[3:55:38] more um landlords to um to to agree to

[3:55:44] it

[3:55:44] which is why I know that the housing

[3:55:46] staff have shifted to um the housing

[3:55:50] allowance okay which we then kind of

[3:55:54] give the money to them I think and just

[3:55:55] so then the difference would be the

[3:55:57] supplement goes to the landlord uh which

[3:56:00] is the program I was involved in the

[3:56:02] allowance would be an amount that goes

[3:56:04] to the individual yes okay I get it

[3:56:07] thanks anybody

[3:56:10] else

[3:56:12] okay um

[3:56:14] proposed

[3:56:16] [Music]

[3:56:18] additions um all we have here is the new

[3:56:20] grounds maintenance program to uh

[3:56:23] support the

[3:56:31] trees uh moving on to Capital the

[3:56:33] capital asset fund is expected to go

[3:56:35] down over the next few years before it

[3:56:37] um goes up but the capital Levy will

[3:56:41] remain relatively

[3:56:42] constant in ter terms of the carry

[3:56:44] forward the majority relates to Windows

[3:56:46] and Doors of $890,000 that we

[3:56:51] um are carrying forward and an HVAC

[3:56:54] project of 250 that we've actually

[3:56:56] shifted to

[3:56:59] 2026 um in relation to contributions we

[3:57:03] do have a little bit of money coming

[3:57:05] from

[3:57:05] cmhc that we we receiv received a pot of

[3:57:08] money that we can apply over a 3-year

[3:57:12] period there is approximately $2.2

[3:57:15] million of planned work for

[3:57:21] 2025 it includes updates to exterior

[3:57:24] walkways of

[3:57:26] $195,000 um which includes the trail

[3:57:29] behind 43 beia towards John Street as

[3:57:32] well as parking lot updates of $30,000

[3:57:35] which

[3:57:36] is I believe it's just Consulting for

[3:57:38] future work and then equipment and

[3:57:41] Machinery we have appliances that are

[3:57:43] replace on an ASN basis we have $62,000

[3:57:46] in the

[3:57:48] budget the buildings we have a Contin uh

[3:57:51] continuation of the security upgrade

[3:57:53] project of 105 Electric electrical

[3:57:56] upgrades including indoor and outdoor

[3:57:58] lighting as well as fire alarm panels of

[3:58:01] 77,000 H back includes regular

[3:58:03] replacement of boilers and planning for

[3:58:05] 2026 Replacements of

[3:58:07] 92,000 kitchen bathroom and unit

[3:58:10] flooring are updated as required and we

[3:58:12] have $352,000 in the budget for for that

[3:58:15] flooring also includes common room and

[3:58:17] hallway updates of 188 we have window

[3:58:20] replacements of $760,000 and then

[3:58:23] entrance vestibule balcony and other

[3:58:25] exterior door Replacements of

[3:58:30] $150,000 summarizing housing the S quo

[3:58:33] operating is 1.65 with capital it's

[3:58:36] 1.35% and with a proposed additions it's

[3:58:39] 2.17 any further questions on housing

[3:58:46] Ontario

[3:58:48] Works there is a small increase in the

[3:58:51] administration funding of $45,600

[3:58:53] the majority of the Interior work

[3:58:55] subsidies are dependent on the actual

[3:58:57] costs other revenues are recoveries of

[3:59:00] monies previously flowed to clients and

[3:59:02] for the most part are remitted right

[3:59:04] back to the

[3:59:06] province Ontario Works has 12 full-time

[3:59:09] positions and supports the housing

[3:59:11] stability team uh regular increase es

[3:59:14] have been offset by attrition due to the

[3:59:17] reduction in funding in

[3:59:20] 2024 I didn't include any highlights for

[3:59:24] the other expenses within admin because

[3:59:26] they're pretty um much the same I will

[3:59:28] note on the service delivery there's a

[3:59:30] decrease there and that directly relates

[3:59:32] to the change in the funding

[3:59:35] program transfers we did include a

[3:59:38] transfer to offset um the decrease in

[3:59:41] funding in 2024 we had originally

[3:59:43] planned to do that 25 as well but with

[3:59:45] the attrition we no longer need to do

[3:59:47] that as well as the additional funding

[3:59:49] and then we have a small allocation to

[3:59:51] um it capital for future replacement of

[3:59:56] equipment proposed additions we have

[4:00:00] proposed increase from Headwaters

[4:00:01] community in action to better support

[4:00:03] the community I mentioned that um in the

[4:00:05] council section as well as an additional

[4:00:09] uh $20,000 to support DC moves are there

[4:00:12] any questions on these

[4:00:20] summarizing Ontario Works the status

[4:00:22] quot operating is a decrease of

[4:00:24] 41% with proposed additions the total

[4:00:26] increase is

[4:00:31] 5.07 next is housing

[4:00:36] strategy this is a new division um it

[4:00:39] includes funds to support the execution

[4:00:41] of the housing strategy plan

[4:00:46] proposed additions so salaries and

[4:00:48] benefits for Project Lead for

[4:00:50] implementation of the housing strategy

[4:00:52] of

[4:00:53] $130,000 plus 4500 for admin and it

[4:00:56] related

[4:00:58] costs Consulting to assist with next

[4:01:01] steps of $50,000 and a transfer to

[4:01:03] reserve of 500,000 has been included to

[4:01:06] set aside funds for potential future

[4:01:08] Capital

[4:01:12] work coun White

[4:01:16] thanks won uh first of all I I'm

[4:01:19] learning on Monday I'm going to try to

[4:01:21] not to use any bot statements so good

[4:01:24] for I I absolutely support the project

[4:01:26] manager piece absolutely we uh We've set

[4:01:29] a course and we need to follow through

[4:01:31] with it uh

[4:01:33] and uh given uh Steve's comments earlier

[4:01:38] I mean we are in a challenging financial

[4:01:41] situation economically uh at at the

[4:01:44] moment uh people are being squeezed from

[4:01:46] a lot of different sides in April we

[4:01:49] Face uh fairly significant interest

[4:01:51] increase in the carbon tax um there's

[4:01:55] new rules coming around the capital

[4:01:57] capital gains that are not back by

[4:02:00] legislation but that's besides Point um

[4:02:02] and given what uh the incoming president

[4:02:05] is suggesting he may or may not do um

[4:02:09] you know certainly a lot of people in

[4:02:10] Duff are going to be squeezed by that

[4:02:12] not the least of which is anybody in the

[4:02:14] farming industry who deals with

[4:02:16] commodity prices on a regular basis um

[4:02:19] you know costs are going to go up uh

[4:02:22] revenues will probably go down and

[4:02:23] that'll have a knock on effect on just

[4:02:25] about every other business in Du County

[4:02:28] um so I would think uh given that this

[4:02:31] is the first year of the Project Lead uh

[4:02:34] position maybe there's a way we could

[4:02:36] fund that out of reserves uh because

[4:02:40] reserves essentially are are u a lot of

[4:02:43] them are supposed to to be rainy day

[4:02:44] funds and it's raining uh so maybe

[4:02:47] there's a way we can uh take roll back

[4:02:50] the budget increase a little bit by

[4:02:52] using reserves for the first year of

[4:02:54] this position it's already built into

[4:02:57] the proposed next year's budget uh so

[4:03:00] that maybe that should be something we

[4:03:01] should look at even if it's a reduction

[4:03:04] in the transfer to reserve that offsets

[4:03:07] maybe that's a way we could you know

[4:03:09] maybe lower our increase a little bit

[4:03:25] is there an amount that you would like

[4:03:27] me to include with

[4:03:29] that well I think we could probably look

[4:03:31] at moving that entire amount into

[4:03:33] Reserves at least for the first year

[4:03:35] until we sort of have a better

[4:03:37] understanding of where we're going with

[4:03:39] with that which is the whole point of

[4:03:40] bringing on the project lead

[4:03:46] y we can do

[4:03:48] that I didn't I didn't quite understand

[4:03:52] the last comment move what the the

[4:03:54] 500,000 is that what you're

[4:03:56] 134 essentially I'll just apply

[4:03:59] $134,800 from reserves to offset the

[4:04:03] cost of the Project

[4:04:11] Lead that is Direction

[4:04:15] it's on the list we have it on the list

[4:04:22] list okay um councelor mlan sorry just

[4:04:25] to clarify though so the the plans don't

[4:04:28] change you're just looking at how to

[4:04:30] fund it differently to reduce the levy

[4:04:32] is that right okay thank

[4:04:35] you

[4:04:40] Phil thank you um

[4:04:44] this is my only um strategic plan

[4:04:48] priority and so in that sense I I

[4:04:51] support well I I support doing a lot

[4:04:53] more than what we're doing and a lot

[4:04:55] faster

[4:04:57] um saying that my understanding from the

[4:05:02] housing

[4:05:04] strategy was there wasn't going to be

[4:05:09] anything built for a number of

[4:05:12] years and that makes me curious as to

[4:05:16] what the Project Lead would be

[4:05:19] doing and why we would also need in

[4:05:23] addition to having a Project Lead we

[4:05:25] would

[4:05:26] require uh another

[4:05:29] $50,000 for consulting services so um I

[4:05:34] I don't know who could address that but

[4:05:37] if somebody could take a stab at it I'd

[4:05:39] really appreciate

[4:05:41] it through you Warden herner I I will

[4:05:44] take a step at it and and if I get into

[4:05:46] trouble I'm going to look to Brenda for

[4:05:47] some

[4:05:48] help um so as you recall at the council

[4:05:52] meeting when the housing strategy was

[4:05:54] reviewed there was some direction given

[4:05:56] to try and expedite a process where we

[4:05:59] would identify three properties that

[4:06:01] could be um given a priority and so uh

[4:06:05] there have been some conversations with

[4:06:07] the Consulting team that was working on

[4:06:09] the original part of of the project and

[4:06:12] they are moving ahead with figuring out

[4:06:16] what the next piece of implementation

[4:06:17] would look like and part of that next

[4:06:19] role is to work with the um planning

[4:06:22] staff in both Orangeville and shelburn

[4:06:25] uh to ter to determine um how those

[4:06:29] particular sites that were identified

[4:06:32] could actually accommodate uh the

[4:06:34] properties within sort of the planning

[4:06:35] constraints within both of those

[4:06:37] municipalities so that a a fair amount

[4:06:39] of that Consulting uh number is to get

[4:06:43] that work done so that we know exactly

[4:06:45] from a planning perspective um how we

[4:06:49] could move which Pro which properties

[4:06:52] are the top three because we that

[4:06:54] original list was done just on a a

[4:06:56] preliminary assessment but now we're

[4:06:58] doing sort of the real deep dive

[4:06:59] assessment on which three properties

[4:07:01] would work the best and then once that

[4:07:04] is done uh which will be quite soon and

[4:07:07] there's also some consultation that goes

[4:07:09] along with that because we don't want to

[4:07:10] pick three properties and then find out

[4:07:12] that you know from a from a community

[4:07:15] perspective or from a servicing

[4:07:16] perspective it doesn't make any sense uh

[4:07:18] and then the Project Lead would come

[4:07:20] into onto the scene and take over from

[4:07:23] there and start to really bring together

[4:07:25] the resources required to start

[4:07:26] developing plans for those specific

[4:07:29] three properties to look at funding

[4:07:31] opportunities that could be utilized and

[4:07:34] to find most importantly to find

[4:07:36] Partners who could actually build and

[4:07:39] operate those fa facilities on those

[4:07:42] three properties so that's the

[4:07:44] preliminary plan as we see it now there

[4:07:46] may need to be some tweaks but that's

[4:07:48] pretty much how it looks at this

[4:07:52] point anyone

[4:07:54] else okay Brenda you're off the hook on

[4:07:57] that

[4:08:00] one okay

[4:08:03] Amy okay

[4:08:07] so the next slide where am

[4:08:12] I okay Community servic is done move on

[4:08:16] to

[4:08:18] defo the status quo increase uh for all

[4:08:21] of duffo is 74% it includes Long-Term

[4:08:24] Care Community Support Services and

[4:08:26] maloid

[4:08:27] Center um you'll notice that there's a

[4:08:30] big increase in meloid center and a

[4:08:33] decrease in long-term care and that 100%

[4:08:37] relates to Capital there's a growing

[4:08:39] need in meloid Center in 2025 for more

[4:08:42] Capital dollars so all that I've done

[4:08:45] here is I've reduced the contribution to

[4:08:47] capital for long-term care and increased

[4:08:49] it by exactly the same amount and the

[4:08:51] meloid center which is

[4:08:56] $200,000 um there are some proposed

[4:08:59] additions which result in four the

[4:09:02] increase being

[4:09:04] 4.82 and then we have a

[4:09:07] capital there's a they have a lot a

[4:09:09] couple of really large projects you'll

[4:09:11] see in 2025 the triple bar is quite high

[4:09:15] and then we pretty much deplete the fund

[4:09:18] and then we need to build it up again

[4:09:20] for future large

[4:09:24] projects okay we're going to move into

[4:09:25] long-term

[4:09:27] care user fees are revenues from

[4:09:29] residents which have seen an increase

[4:09:31] over the last year uh we've also seen

[4:09:34] increases to Ministry funding

[4:09:36] particularly aimed at addressing

[4:09:38] increased Direct Care Staffing

[4:09:40] requirements

[4:09:43] on the expense side at the time we

[4:09:46] pulled this together we had 118

[4:09:48] full-time and 1331 part-time positions

[4:09:51] at duffen Oaks including six contract

[4:09:54] positions as somebody who sees payroll

[4:09:58] quite often it changes constantly

[4:10:00] there's people always coming and always

[4:10:03] going um the

[4:10:05] increase uh in the salaries and benefits

[4:10:08] are you going to do next slide T we did

[4:10:10] add additional hours due to the

[4:10:12] increased funding as well we shifted to

[4:10:14] social worker from an external contract

[4:10:16] to full-time position in 2024 and the

[4:10:19] balance is just regular Staffing

[4:10:26] increases um expenses 2024 included

[4:10:30] $150,000 for the older adult study uh

[4:10:32] which is leading to a decrease in

[4:10:34] admitted office in 2025 we have an

[4:10:37] increase in legal fees to support Union

[4:10:39] negotiations of SE um to

[4:10:41] $70,000 additional amount

[4:10:43] have been included for a multi-year

[4:10:45] project to replace office furniture

[4:10:49] $14,500 Service delivery includes uh

[4:10:52] $910,000 for food we have

[4:10:56] $233,400 for external contracts to

[4:10:58] support the residents and nearly

[4:11:01] $635,000 in supplies and products to

[4:11:03] support staff and residents and then the

[4:11:06] internal Services uh used is the it

[4:11:09] position that we talked about earlier in

[4:11:11] ggs

[4:11:14] transfers um we do have a transfer from

[4:11:17] the wsib uh fund to offset Associated

[4:11:20] costs we talked about the um claim and

[4:11:24] um Insurance costs within people in

[4:11:26] equity but we do charge directly

[4:11:28] different Oak shared at different

[4:11:31] Oaks and then

[4:11:35] um the

[4:11:37] $172,000 is an allocation to Capital of

[4:11:40] uh funding that they receive

[4:11:44] for proposed additions the net increase

[4:11:46] is

[4:11:46] $64,000 and relates to the medical

[4:11:49] secretary um proposed to start in March

[4:11:53] at a cost of $61,200 plus 4500 for um

[4:11:58] and support costs in a

[4:11:59] laptop and then the annualized cost is

[4:12:02] $74,000 are there any questions on that

[4:12:05] for

[4:12:10] Brenda okay

[4:12:15] the capital asset

[4:12:16] fund uh lots of ups and done Downs over

[4:12:20] the next couple years for the for

[4:12:21] longterm

[4:12:23] care the amount uh the 1.48 for the

[4:12:27] prior year carry forward this includes

[4:12:29] uh fire alarm panels of 220 security of

[4:12:33] 400 and nurse

[4:12:35] call and the balance of that is um we

[4:12:38] actually received some additional

[4:12:40] funding in 2024 that we were able to

[4:12:42] apply applied to the capital asset fund

[4:12:44] instead of using um the tax levy dollars

[4:12:48] so we I think added an additional over

[4:12:51] $500,000 to the fund so that's what that

[4:12:56] is um contributions as I said earlier

[4:13:01] there's a significant decrease in the

[4:13:02] capital um

[4:13:04] Levy for long-term

[4:13:08] care uh yeah I already spoke about this

[4:13:10] so I don't to speak it again so other

[4:13:11] revenue is the allocation of preven

[4:13:13] itial funding from operating of about

[4:13:16] $192,000 Capital work is just over $3.1

[4:13:20] million for

[4:13:23] 2025 land

[4:13:25] improvements and we have exterior

[4:13:27] walkway um and patios of $440,000 you

[4:13:31] can go the next one um buildings include

[4:13:33] security of 400,000 updates of the fire

[4:13:36] alarm

[4:13:38] panel our largest project um is the

[4:13:41] replacement of four roof top units at

[4:13:43] $1.75 million Renovations of

[4:13:47] housekeeping closets at 25,000 and

[4:13:49] replacement of laundry room floor of $

[4:13:53] 35,000 uh within equipment and Machinery

[4:13:55] we have regular replacement of mass

[4:13:57] Raiders of $24,000 we have kitchen

[4:14:00] laundry and bathing equipment of 94,000

[4:14:02] furniture of 66 and lifts of

[4:14:06] $60,000 Vehicles include an ongoing

[4:14:08] replacement of the Community Support

[4:14:10] Services 2025 includes 24

[4:14:13] ,000 for two accessible wheelchair

[4:14:17] vans other includes the nurse call

[4:14:20] upgrades which started in

[4:14:23] 2024 uh we included

[4:14:26] $150,000 in the 2025 budget as we

[4:14:29] anticipated work would commence in 2024

[4:14:31] we actually need to increase the two

[4:14:33] this to

[4:14:34] 275 um they just weren't able to get

[4:14:38] started on the work they had some issues

[4:14:39] with the with the um vendor um the funds

[4:14:42] of already been raised or included in

[4:14:45] that 1

[4:14:46] point six or whatever it was that we

[4:14:48] carried forward so it's just increas in

[4:14:50] the work value no impact on the tax

[4:14:54] levy summarizing Long-Term Care status

[4:14:57] quo operating is 05% when we add in

[4:15:00] capital it decreases to minus 3.44 and

[4:15:04] then with the proposed additions minus

[4:15:06] 2.32 any questions on Long long-term

[4:15:09] care

[4:15:13] moving to Community Support

[4:15:17] Services on the revenue side they

[4:15:20] received an increase to funding in 2024

[4:15:22] for assisted living of uh just over

[4:15:26] $510,000 on the expense side they're up

[4:15:30] $550,000 uh which is the new uh funding

[4:15:36] there are four full-time positions three

[4:15:38] part-time positions and 11 casual

[4:15:40] positions within um this division

[4:15:44] other

[4:15:46] highlights um mileage we've decreased it

[4:15:49] to 46300 just to better reflect our

[4:15:52] actual and then the assistant living

[4:15:55] funding and Service

[4:15:58] delivery there are a few proposed

[4:16:01] increases to community Ser Support

[4:16:03] Services the total is

[4:16:05] $191,000 which then more than doubles in

[4:16:09] 2026 previously committed includes

[4:16:12] Transit of 168 that has been

[4:16:15] budgeted um we've offset that by $80,000

[4:16:20] transfer from the rate stabilization

[4:16:23] reserve the new you can go to the next

[4:16:26] slide on the new to

[4:16:28] 2025 all relates to the older adult Str

[4:16:31] the implementation of the older adult

[4:16:33] strategy a supervisory level position is

[4:16:36] recommended which would also support the

[4:16:38] implementation of the enhanced

[4:16:40] Transportation plan 25% of this position

[4:16:43] would be allocated to support the older

[4:16:44] adult

[4:16:46] transportation and and 75% towards

[4:16:49] Community Support Services atmin the

[4:16:52] total cost for the year is

[4:16:54] 140,000 um including benefits training

[4:16:56] and new

[4:16:57] computer

[4:16:59] uh program related costs include a

[4:17:03] part-time driver as well as vehicle

[4:17:05] related costs the revenue collected from

[4:17:07] user fees result in a net cost of

[4:17:11] $38,000 uh which doesn't includ include

[4:17:13] the supervisor above next we've included

[4:17:16] $10,000 um to support a marketing plan

[4:17:18] for senior services and then lastly uh

[4:17:22] we included a transfer from the rate

[4:17:24] stabilization Reserve to offset the

[4:17:26] increase of this was there any questions

[4:17:28] on

[4:17:29] this councelor

[4:17:31] Garretts I think the so the marketing

[4:17:34] plan is probably directly related to I

[4:17:36] think the study showed that

[4:17:38] the the the older adults were not aware

[4:17:41] of the lot of the programming and that's

[4:17:43] why they weren't accessing them is that

[4:17:44] correct so this is to sort of address

[4:17:46] that through you Warden that is

[4:17:49] absolutely correct and even targeting

[4:17:52] with um you know the medical community

[4:17:54] to make sure that they're aware of the

[4:17:56] programs and can share that as well okay

[4:17:58] good

[4:18:09] thanks Rising Community Support Services

[4:18:12] the status qu is

[4:18:14] 14.21% and with the proposed additions

[4:18:16] the total increase becomes 83.1

[4:18:20] 5% moving on to the Malloy

[4:18:23] Center um Regular increases to rent are

[4:18:26] here other revenue is cleaning costs

[4:18:28] associated with early

[4:18:30] years um there are no direct Staffing

[4:18:34] costs with the Malloy

[4:18:38] Center highlights on the expenses uh

[4:18:41] facilities includes $20,000 increase to

[4:18:43] building maintenance cost to better

[4:18:45] reflect actual costs the addition of

[4:18:47] snow clearing cost of $25,000 which was

[4:18:50] previously included in the internal

[4:18:51] Services

[4:18:53] recovered uh previously the snow

[4:18:55] clearing contract was one amount for the

[4:18:57] entire complex the new contract allowed

[4:19:00] us to um break up the cost by building

[4:19:02] and therefore we were able to make those

[4:19:06] adjustments the Cal asset fund will be

[4:19:08] in a negative at the end of 2025

[4:19:13] uh despite the doubling of the capital

[4:19:17] Levy um the prior year carry forward of

[4:19:22] $54,000 um actually when I reviewed this

[4:19:25] Slide the prior your carry forward made

[4:19:27] no sense to me it should actually be

[4:19:30] $150,000 um as we differred both

[4:19:32] security at a $20,000 and washrooms at1

[4:19:35] 130 it looks like the opening balance

[4:19:37] that I have in there for 2024 is

[4:19:40] actually incorrect so once I change that

[4:19:42] the Never everything will be

[4:19:44] fixed I'll fix it in the final budget

[4:19:48] package um in terms of the capital work

[4:19:51] plan we have just over $500,000 planned

[4:19:53] for

[4:19:54] 2025 this includes updates to the fire

[4:19:57] alarm panel of

[4:19:58] $100,000 regular replacement of several

[4:20:01] HVAC uh systems at 212 Renovations of

[4:20:04] the public

[4:20:06] washrooms um 130,000 and then as needed

[4:20:09] window replacements for 45,000

[4:20:16] summarizing the metaloid center the

[4:20:18] status quo is 88.8 five which looks huge

[4:20:21] but of course that's the shift um from

[4:20:23] Capital if we hadn't done that shift the

[4:20:25] increase would have only been

[4:20:27] 1.74% are there any questions on meloid

[4:20:33] Center so again we have the

[4:20:36] status uh quo and then the proposed

[4:20:41] additions Steve you have a question yes

[4:20:44] thank you uh Madame Warden I was just

[4:20:47] wondering about the status of the

[4:20:48] property on Highway 89 and the Town Line

[4:20:52] Highway 89 and Town Line Between Amar

[4:20:55] Anthony Luther we talked about selling

[4:20:57] that or talked about maybe selling that

[4:21:00] or not I just wonder where we are or

[4:21:02] could we use explore that again and

[4:21:05] maybe use that money somewhere this

[4:21:08] budget or next

[4:21:20] sorry Steve I'm not sure anybody has an

[4:21:23] answer um no I don't either or

[4:21:30] counselor we're talking about the

[4:21:32] property at East Lutheran and um H 25 I

[4:21:37] think so so the dep Federation of

[4:21:39] Agriculture is planning to bring their

[4:21:41] proposal forward I believe to the next

[4:21:44] uh Economic Development Tourism

[4:21:48] Committee

[4:21:50] meeting all right thank you as long as

[4:21:52] we're it's on our mind and it's

[4:21:55] forgotten as far as they're concerned

[4:21:56] they've been putting

[4:21:58] that proposal together okay well my like

[4:22:02] would be uh tell it and throw the

[4:22:05] profits at something human uh like in

[4:22:09] the uh in the services we provide in in

[4:22:12] our are

[4:22:14] uh towards uh the poor and the destitute

[4:22:18] but thank you very much thank you Steve

[4:22:21] Raj did you have a

[4:22:22] point yeah um through you Warden white

[4:22:25] I'm not Warden white sorry okay he's

[4:22:27] over there so used to saying Warden

[4:22:30] white sorry I know so am I um through

[4:22:34] you Warden Herer um we actually have

[4:22:37] been in contact with um the de

[4:22:39] Federation of Agriculture with regards

[4:22:41] to the the pasture project they should

[4:22:43] be coming forward with a proposal and we

[4:22:45] have been in regular meetings with them

[4:22:48] um so I anticipate at the January 23rd

[4:22:51] uh committee meeting that we would have

[4:22:53] something to discuss then and they will

[4:22:55] also be coming forward as a delegation

[4:22:56] to that meeting thank you thank

[4:23:03] you okay just summarizing different Oaks

[4:23:06] uh 74% status quo and then

[4:23:10] 4.82% with proposed

[4:23:15] additions we're almost

[4:23:18] done moving on to Health

[4:23:22] Services uh this includes two areas

[4:23:24] Paramedic Services and Public Health

[4:23:26] Combined they have a status quo increase

[4:23:28] of

[4:23:29] 2.64% with proposed additions it's

[4:23:36] 4.02 uh the

[4:23:40] capital yeah this one if you look

[4:23:43] closely the Orange Line does go in the

[4:23:45] negative quite a

[4:23:47] bit um part of the problem with we're

[4:23:51] having doing this 20-year capital budget

[4:23:54] relates to the ambulances we have to

[4:23:56] order them one year and then we don't

[4:23:58] get them until one or two years later so

[4:24:00] it kind of just messes things up but I

[4:24:02] hopefully it will all work out in the

[4:24:07] end that's a great way to budget

[4:24:09] hopefully

[4:24:12] um okay moving the revenues so there's

[4:24:16] an increase in subsidies uh we received

[4:24:19] $116,400

[4:24:22] increase to the offload nursing program

[4:24:25] and then just regular increases to the

[4:24:29] paramedics and other Revenue relates to

[4:24:32] the community Paramedic program that is

[4:24:33] funded through the

[4:24:35] hospital on the expense side they do not

[4:24:37] have any salary and benefits um as those

[4:24:40] fall within service delivery as we

[4:24:43] contract that with the hospital the net

[4:24:45] increase in expenses is 3.15% or

[4:24:50] $348,000 highlights on the midin office

[4:24:53] 2024 uh we had included a service review

[4:24:56] which is offset by reserves we decided

[4:24:58] to take a different path in 2025 and we

[4:25:00] have that included in the

[4:25:02] new Service delivery includes 2.6%

[4:25:05] increase in the contract with Headwaters

[4:25:07] Healthcare as well as 100 the $116,000

[4:25:10] for offload nursing

[4:25:13] facilities include snow clearing

[4:25:15] increase of about 4,900 Grounds

[4:25:17] Maintenance is increase of 5700 and then

[4:25:21] other general maintenance increases of

[4:25:25] 11,000 moving on to the proposed

[4:25:28] addition uh The Paramedic Services

[4:25:32] master plan will provide a 10-year

[4:25:35] forecast of what service needs will be

[4:25:37] and how better to deliver those Services

[4:25:39] the current contract with Headwaters

[4:25:41] Healthcare expires this year prior to

[4:25:44] Renewal a consultant will be engaged to

[4:25:45] review the current model to ensure it

[4:25:47] continues to meet the needs of the

[4:25:48] community it is anticipated that the

[4:25:51] same consultant will be able to perform

[4:25:52] that the work

[4:25:55] $100,000 um is included and we're

[4:25:57] proposing to fund that from rate

[4:25:58] stabilization as it is a one-time

[4:26:02] thing the next is the additional shift

[4:26:05] at um in shelburn there was a report

[4:26:08] that went to Council in dis

[4:26:13] okay I went to November HHS that um

[4:26:16] talked about this um not going to read

[4:26:19] all the details because hopefully you've

[4:26:20] looked at that the proposed cost for

[4:26:23] 2024 is

[4:26:25] $201,000 which is offset 50% by subsidy

[4:26:29] and I just want to state that this is

[4:26:31] only for 3 months so when it comes to

[4:26:34] 2026 this will be 4 times the

[4:26:38] amount any questions

[4:26:45] okay moving to

[4:26:47] Capital there's a giant decrease in the

[4:26:49] capital asset Fund in the next couple

[4:26:51] years before it quickly goes back

[4:26:54] up um the Capital Carry forward a 1.2 is

[4:26:58] made up of $430,000 of ambulances which

[4:27:01] we've ordered and haven't received yet

[4:27:03] garage doors of 48,000 security of 70 uh

[4:27:08] in vehicle laptops of $90,000 in

[4:27:10] exterior wall work of

[4:27:12] $2,000 this adds up to $658,000

[4:27:17] the balance of the 1.2 is relates to

[4:27:21] Prior year subsidies that we anticipated

[4:27:23] that the province would claw back and

[4:27:26] it's come to fruition that they're not

[4:27:27] clawing back so we will be um adding it

[4:27:30] in 2024 to their

[4:27:36] revenue contributions um with the

[4:27:39] addition of the surface and shellburn we

[4:27:42] are able to apply development charges um

[4:27:44] towards an ambulance

[4:27:48] purchase the value of work for 2025 is

[4:27:51] just over $1.6

[4:27:54] million it includes design work for

[4:27:56] parking lot replacement of

[4:27:58] $5,000 security work for $1 120 which is

[4:28:02] planned for all three stations garage

[4:28:04] door Replacements of 75 two furnaces and

[4:28:07] a boiler uh

[4:28:08] $225,000 and work required to rectify

[4:28:11] ongoing flooding issues of

[4:28:15] 75,000 we also include a small amount

[4:28:17] for appliances which we just kind of

[4:28:19] keep carrying forward until the actual

[4:28:21] Appliance needs to be

[4:28:22] replaced um 2025 includes the

[4:28:26] replacement of two ambulances at

[4:28:28] $225,000 each and then the balance owing

[4:28:31] on three ambulances that have already

[4:28:32] been ordered and we hope to get in 2025

[4:28:35] of 430,000 and one Community paramedic

[4:28:38] vehicle of 90

[4:28:42] and then in relation to the new shift we

[4:28:45] are proposing the addition of an

[4:28:48] ambulance which we are offsetting with

[4:28:50] development charges and then the last is

[4:28:52] the command vehicle um that also was

[4:28:55] covered in the report that Gary did and

[4:28:57] adding that as a new vehicle for the

[4:29:00] chief and the deputy chief any questions

[4:29:03] on

[4:29:05] those councelor Taylor I'm just curious

[4:29:09] the um outside of the flooding issue

[4:29:12] isues that we talked about what is what

[4:29:15] is that building like um for long term

[4:29:19] and I don't see like we don't have a

[4:29:22] plan to replace it all the way up to

[4:29:23] 2044 right like are we're still we're

[4:29:26] still good there we're happy

[4:29:29] we're it feels like we're not doing

[4:29:32] anything with the building necessarily

[4:29:34] you wonder about

[4:29:37] that Gary would you like to take that

[4:29:40] one are you happy I'm happy through you

[4:29:44] Warden white or Warden Herer um that is

[4:29:48] part of the master plan that we've

[4:29:49] proposed is that it would speak to that

[4:29:52] whether we need more space um as you

[4:29:56] know we're growing we've already

[4:29:58] outgrown the current building in

[4:30:00] Orangeville and have had to find some

[4:30:02] space for our community paramedics

[4:30:03] moving forward um so in that Master Plan

[4:30:06] we're hoping that it would identify uh

[4:30:09] what our needs would be for over 10

[4:30:11] years for the town of Orangeville and

[4:30:13] whether that would include another

[4:30:14] building at another location or whether

[4:30:17] we'd be able to actually do an addition

[4:30:20] at the current

[4:30:23] space if I could none of that is in here

[4:30:26] right now right because we don't know

[4:30:28] what we don't know so so this could

[4:30:33] be magnified

[4:30:36] significantly and is it your you just

[4:30:38] said you're happy and it's great that

[4:30:40] you're happy I'm I'm happy you're happy

[4:30:42] but do you think that building is are we

[4:30:46] into something just out of

[4:30:49] curiosity in regards to the flooding

[4:30:52] you're speaking of specifically are we

[4:30:55] going to

[4:30:55] spend a few million dollars not a few

[4:30:58] million but a lot a lot of million of

[4:31:00] dollars of of a new building is that do

[4:31:02] you think do you anticipate that would

[4:31:04] be part of your

[4:31:05] plan um I would expect that there is

[4:31:09] something that is going to come with

[4:31:11] that because we don't have any room

[4:31:13] really to grow in that area and with the

[4:31:17] increase that we're getting in

[4:31:18] Orangeville and the entire County we

[4:31:21] would need at some point I would expect

[4:31:23] within 10 years that you would see

[4:31:25] probably another ambulance being needed

[4:31:27] for the town of Orangeville and we just

[4:31:29] really don't have any spot to put it

[4:31:31] right

[4:31:34] now may I ask a cautious question of you

[4:31:37] U CAO I I'm I'm I ask it cautiously I'm

[4:31:41] just curious ious was there any changes

[4:31:44] made to that land size there or is that

[4:31:49] status

[4:31:51] quo and yes or no would be fine if

[4:31:54] that's it not

[4:31:58] appropriate uh through you Warden uh

[4:32:02] nothing to date but there is potential

[4:32:15] okay

[4:32:16] [Music]

[4:32:18] um summarizing parotic Services the

[4:32:20] status quo operating is

[4:32:23] 2.92% when you add in capital it's 2.42

[4:32:26] and with proposed additions it's

[4:32:30] 4.25% moving on to Public

[4:32:36] Health uh debt payment we paid off the

[4:32:39] loan that we had in 2024 four it's the

[4:32:42] big increase in 2020 or decrease in

[4:32:45] 2025 Service delivery uh the annual

[4:32:48] increase on public health contract is

[4:32:51] 2.9% in 2020 in 2013 the county entered

[4:32:55] into a loan repayment agreement with

[4:32:57] public health whereby a credit was

[4:32:59] applied to our annual cost that offset

[4:33:01] the additional loan costs in essence the

[4:33:04] credit received equal the loan payments

[4:33:06] and thus there was no impact on the tax

[4:33:08] levy however in 2024 the budget the 2024

[4:33:12] budget the credit and the loan costs

[4:33:14] were not equal which has resulted in a

[4:33:16] higher than expected increase to Public

[4:33:18] Health transfers from reserves have been

[4:33:20] included to lessen the impact over the

[4:33:22] next few

[4:33:25] years and we also do apply a small

[4:33:28] amount of development charges to the

[4:33:31] county share of the public health

[4:33:32] debentures on their

[4:33:35] buildings summarizing Public Health the

[4:33:37] net increases 3.32%

[4:33:43] and that's it for Health

[4:33:50] Services I do sorry go ahead one more

[4:33:54] slide this is just a summary of where we

[4:33:57] are at where

[4:34:00] we are sitting when we

[4:34:04] started

[4:34:10] um and if you go go to the next slide

[4:34:13] this with all the things we talked about

[4:34:15] tonight we're sitting at

[4:34:23] 5.16% so at this point Amy we have a

[4:34:27] choice we

[4:34:28] can

[4:34:30] approve a budget tonight or we can

[4:34:33] return and talk about those areas that

[4:34:36] have been

[4:34:37] identified uh for another time is that

[4:34:41] our Choice

[4:34:45] here

[4:34:47] folks if I have some input into this

[4:34:50] choice I certainly would not want to

[4:34:52] finalize this tonight I think we do have

[4:34:54] some issues we have to explore further

[4:34:57] and

[4:34:58] uh it it's enough for one day and we

[4:35:02] need to have time to think about it

[4:35:04] councelor

[4:35:05] mlan uh yeah so I would I would agree

[4:35:08] with that the only thing I would say is

[4:35:10] 5% is a lot

[4:35:12] right um over the last year I think

[4:35:14] inflation in 2024 averaged around 2% I

[4:35:18] went back to our 2023 budget and there's

[4:35:21] a statement in there that says that

[4:35:23] historically our tax levies try to hold

[4:35:25] true to inflation and now I know that

[4:35:27] we've got a lot of big expenses coming

[4:35:29] up but now that we've had this wonderful

[4:35:32] presentation and I think we all have a

[4:35:33] better understanding of what's in the

[4:35:34] budget I would encourage members of

[4:35:36] council to think hard about how we can

[4:35:39] try to get that down um and maybe come

[4:35:42] to the next meeting with some

[4:35:44] ideas anyone

[4:35:48] else yeah if I could ask another

[4:35:51] question or sorry um so we we've

[4:35:54] referenced the right stabilization fund

[4:35:57] a number of times throughout this

[4:35:58] presentation taking reserves from there

[4:36:01] so I would certainly like to see what

[4:36:02] that total is and I would like to know

[4:36:04] what we expect to have from from our

[4:36:07] 2024 actuals to to budget to know

[4:36:10] whether we have a Sur cluster deficit or

[4:36:12] what situation we expect to be

[4:36:16] in did you Council thank you Wen

[4:36:22] um again trying to be positive I love

[4:36:24] Scott Scott's my one of my favorite

[4:36:28] people

[4:36:30] and um G given the economic climate I

[4:36:33] think we we owe it to ourselves to look

[4:36:35] at a couple of things uh the ones we

[4:36:38] mentioned sure but maybe also something

[4:36:40] like the welcome signs for for a couple

[4:36:41] of reasons I mean that's a million

[4:36:43] dollar over 5 years $200,000 a year but

[4:36:47] if you really look at it that is a

[4:36:49] program that was designed and

[4:36:51] implemented preco we're now way past Co

[4:36:55] so maybe maybe it's not time to continue

[4:36:58] rolling that out maybe it's time to

[4:37:00] relook at it and see if we want to take

[4:37:02] a different direction or if we want to

[4:37:03] continue with it or even push it back a

[4:37:06] year or modify it somehow but I mean

[4:37:08] that could certainly go a long way to

[4:37:10] lowering a bit of the budget as well so

[4:37:13] maybe that's just something we have a

[4:37:15] further discussion about uh later

[4:37:18] on lby

[4:37:20] Scott anyone and he didn't say but he

[4:37:25] didn't anyone

[4:37:28] else councilor post uh this is to Amy

[4:37:32] just briefly on the last slide you've

[4:37:33] said the things that we've discussed are

[4:37:35] now at 5.16 is that taking into

[4:37:37] consideration all of the items that we

[4:37:38] added to the

[4:37:39] list or no

[4:37:43] no so what that includes there's a

[4:37:45] $40,000 change for the h hazard waste

[4:37:48] contract there's $115,000 rent Revenue

[4:37:53] there's $100,000 for the bike lanes and

[4:37:55] then there's 135 for the um housing

[4:37:58] strategy Project

[4:38:00] Lead that's so it is that gets us to

[4:38:03] 5.16 based on the things that we added

[4:38:05] to the list tonight yeah and the other

[4:38:07] thing I have on the list sorry is the

[4:38:09] investor attraction attraction but I

[4:38:10] don't have it am

[4:38:23] councelor

[4:38:25] ni as important as the housing strategy

[4:38:29] program may

[4:38:30] be I I still wonder why and I know we

[4:38:33] took some out of the

[4:38:34] $500,000 for the um consultant or

[4:38:38] whatever it

[4:38:39] was is it necessary NE to put

[4:38:42] $500,000 into reserves for that program

[4:38:45] this year yes you're going to tell me

[4:38:47] we're just building up problems for the

[4:38:48] future but

[4:38:50] but okay I just put it out there if

[4:38:53] that's really

[4:39:02] necessary John

[4:39:05] tayor is there a math on what that um

[4:39:10] budget means to each household cuz I

[4:39:12] always think that's helpful too right

[4:39:14] like is this is that

[4:39:16] $32 or what whatever it is I don't know

[4:39:19] I don't know but what what is that as an

[4:39:20] increase i' be curious to understand

[4:39:22] what that is and wouldn't be flippant

[4:39:24] with residents money but it it is

[4:39:27] helpful to

[4:39:28] understand you have that uh through you

[4:39:32] Warden the increase per ,000 $100,000 of

[4:39:37] assessment is $20.63

[4:39:48] yeah okay Council kman first um nearing

[4:39:53] the the fifth uh fifth hour that we've

[4:39:56] been uh doing this I don't know that

[4:39:58] we're doing our best thinking at this

[4:39:59] point in the in the course of the

[4:40:01] evening i' I'd uh support going away uh

[4:40:05] considering what we what we've done um

[4:40:09] mindful that if we're adding anything to

[4:40:11] the budget it should be within the the

[4:40:14] amount uh that is currently recommended

[4:40:16] and uh looking at areas where we can

[4:40:18] economized by uh deferring or taking

[4:40:21] things out but I don't think we're going

[4:40:23] to get to a decision

[4:40:27] tonight just on the so that was $20 per

[4:40:30] 100,000 of impac assessed value right

[4:40:33] and since impac hasn't we're going on

[4:40:35] nine years to the to the point like the

[4:40:39] in 2016

[4:40:42] uh I don't know how many houses were a

[4:40:44] million dollars for example but it's

[4:40:46] it's yeah it's it's a big difference

[4:40:48] from what your your house is worth now

[4:40:51] so um that just sort of you know I guess

[4:40:54] sort of

[4:40:56] uh lessens the the the the impact

[4:40:59] because you're you're working on 2016

[4:41:01] assess values so

[4:41:05] thanks um through you Warden just to um

[4:41:09] James point about um

[4:41:12] being around

[4:41:14] CPI if you look at the status quo budget

[4:41:16] it's 3.2% which is close to CPI anything

[4:41:19] else is new and it's always going to be

[4:41:21] over

[4:41:22] CPI thank

[4:41:25] you councelor Mills thank you won I I

[4:41:28] agree with several of the other comments

[4:41:29] that you know a final decision on this

[4:41:32] is probably best reserved for another

[4:41:34] night but um would the intention be to

[4:41:36] call a special meeting like I I I don't

[4:41:39] think we should probably wait until our

[4:41:41] next regularly scheduled council meeting

[4:41:43] to get this wrapped up we had the 30th

[4:41:46] didn't we was is it already scheduled

[4:41:47] for the 30th okay yeah

[4:41:49] perfect yeah so there is a special

[4:41:51] meeting already scheduled for January

[4:41:56] 30th so I think have to go well and the

[4:42:02] thing is you've seen the big uh

[4:42:05] presentation what we should be talking

[4:42:07] about at that point are some of the

[4:42:10] economies and

[4:42:11] some of the specifics as opposed to the

[4:42:13] whole thing

[4:42:15] right so is that a 7:00 meeting or is

[4:42:19] that a

[4:42:21] three it's a seven it's a six okay it's

[4:42:25] hard to keep

[4:42:29] track okay um so thank you Amy um it

[4:42:34] appears that we're not ready to make any

[4:42:36] kind of a motion at this point did

[4:42:38] somebody else

[4:42:54] no um well I wasn't going to send you

[4:42:57] home home it was just we have no uh

[4:42:59] motion on the budget tonight but I do

[4:43:02] want if you have some ideas or questions

[4:43:05] for staff please address them to Amy

[4:43:08] ahead of the meeting so that she can do

[4:43:11] some thinking uh on on how this might or

[4:43:14] she'll direct it to whoever the question

[4:43:16] has to go to councelor little just as a

[4:43:20] summary for us can we get a synopsis a

[4:43:23] written synopsis of what those um list

[4:43:25] was that we created today just so that

[4:43:28] you know we're clear all clear on the

[4:43:30] same page thanks okay thank

[4:43:34] you all right uh let's keep moving then

[4:43:38] um number 10 there's no strategic Plan

[4:43:40] update this month we have some

[4:43:43] correspondents um correspondents receiv

[4:43:45] received from the municipality of mccoa

[4:43:47] to request duffing contribute to the

[4:43:49] funding the Simco duffrin

[4:43:53] Moka Crime Stoppers what are councilor's

[4:44:01] wishes councelor post thank you won

[4:44:04] Herer um we actually just in Orangeville

[4:44:07] did the proclamation of crimes Stoppers

[4:44:09] month yesterday or the day before um um

[4:44:11] and I was speaking to the folks who run

[4:44:14] our division of crimes Stoppers and they

[4:44:15] were talking to me about the financial

[4:44:17] issues that they're having um what I

[4:44:19] requested and I sent them the

[4:44:20] information today is I requested that

[4:44:22] they come and delegate to County Council

[4:44:24] to talk to all of us about what their

[4:44:26] needs are how it's being funded

[4:44:28] currently where their gaps are and what

[4:44:30] the future looks like so I did provide

[4:44:32] them with our Clerk's emails and ask

[4:44:34] them to reach out to her to ask to

[4:44:36] delegate at a future meeting perfect

[4:44:38] good okay thank you

[4:44:43] they want the money for 2025 so unless

[4:44:46] we get this

[4:44:47] delegation and either say yes or no to

[4:44:49] some money how do we get it in the 2025

[4:44:54] budget

[4:44:56] Lisa um good question um I mean we could

[4:45:00] set aside money at the budget time if

[4:45:02] that's the will of of council the the

[4:45:05] correspondence that we got was from one

[4:45:07] municipality that participates in it not

[4:45:09] from Crim Stoppers directly so I think

[4:45:11] we'd be better served to hear directly

[4:45:13] from crimes Stoppers of their need

[4:45:14] rather than just from one municipality

[4:45:16] um the Simco deff and Moka Crime

[4:45:18] Stoppers do get funding from all three

[4:45:21] different municipalities and Moka has

[4:45:24] has stated to them that they were going

[4:45:26] to encourage us to also Pony up and give

[4:45:28] some money but I I think it I think it

[4:45:30] would be premature of us to make a

[4:45:32] decision on what that dollar amount may

[4:45:34] look like what they did tell me from

[4:45:35] crimes Stoppers this week was um they

[4:45:38] have put a a shut their door date of

[4:45:40] August August 1st on the table um

[4:45:43] because they have to have a plan they

[4:45:44] have they don't want to just last second

[4:45:46] and say I don't have any money we're

[4:45:47] going to have to close the door so they

[4:45:48] have um said that they're in danger

[4:45:51] right now based on the lack of funding

[4:45:52] that they do have so it's up to council

[4:45:55] if they want to allocate some money now

[4:45:57] but I have asked them to come to to

[4:45:59] County Council to speak to us I think

[4:46:02] Council Garretts or Council keman I was

[4:46:05] going to say wouldn't it be a community

[4:46:07] Grant like many other community grants I

[4:46:09] mean we have the we just increase that

[4:46:11] budget tonight uh in theory

[4:46:15] anyway I did also let them know about

[4:46:17] the community grants program both at the

[4:46:19] county of Defan and at the town of

[4:46:20] Orangeville and advise them to keep an

[4:46:22] eye on both the websites for the

[4:46:23] advertisement of when those applications

[4:46:25] will open but in the mean time I thought

[4:46:27] it would be good for them to also come

[4:46:28] to council and just explain what their

[4:46:29] situation is as well as to explain to

[4:46:33] councel what the work that they do in

[4:46:35] our municipality looks like and what

[4:46:36] their results have been so I think

[4:46:38] regardless of the funding piece I think

[4:46:39] it's important that they come

[4:46:43] okay thank you I think we'll just uh

[4:46:45] wait then and the clerk will uh get us

[4:46:48] get them on the agenda um correspondence

[4:46:51] has been received from Duffer M

[4:46:53] municipalities regarding the

[4:46:54] multi-jurisdictional fire protection and

[4:46:57] prevention plan could I please have a

[4:46:59] mover and a seconder to receive the

[4:47:02] correspondence for information purposes

[4:47:06] moved by James seconded by Wade all

[4:47:09] those in favor

[4:47:13] carried okay Township of amaranth the

[4:47:16] correspondence has been received from

[4:47:18] the township of amanth to support the

[4:47:20] township of memmer's resolution to

[4:47:22] create a North duffan fire service area

[4:47:25] could I have a mover and a seconder to

[4:47:27] receive the correspondence for

[4:47:29] information

[4:47:30] purposes moved by guard house second and

[4:47:33] by Garretts all those in

[4:47:36] favor carried notices of motion

[4:47:40] councelor Garrett has submitted a notice

[4:47:41] of motion it has been slightly amended

[4:47:44] from the version published in the agenda

[4:47:47] and it will be placed on the February

[4:47:49] Council agenda for discussion it reads

[4:47:53] as follows um whereas the county of

[4:47:56] duffo received Ascent on May 31st

[4:47:59] 1994 and whereas it would represent good

[4:48:02] governance for the county of duffan

[4:48:03] council to review the 30-year-old act to

[4:48:06] ensure that it meets the current

[4:48:08] conditions and priorities of the county

[4:48:10] of duffan therefore be it resolved that

[4:48:12] County Council discuss the county of

[4:48:14] duffen act at the March County council

[4:48:16] meeting to determine which items are no

[4:48:18] longer revent or require

[4:48:22] updating so that's the notice of motion

[4:48:26] coming uh is there a closed session I

[4:48:28] don't think so we've had enough okay

[4:48:32] bylaws number 15 so we have a

[4:48:34] recommendation that bylaw

[4:48:37] 20251 through 205

[4:48:42] 20053 inclusive be read a first second

[4:48:44] and third time and

[4:48:46] enacted need a mover and a second uh

[4:48:49] moved by Nicks and seconded by kelman

[4:48:52] all those in

[4:48:54] favor

[4:48:56] carried um and at the special uh council

[4:48:59] meeting on August 22nd Council received

[4:49:02] a report regarding the model franchise

[4:49:04] agreement with Enbridge Gas at that

[4:49:06] meeting Council had a first and second

[4:49:08] reading of bylaw 20 2432 to authorize

[4:49:12] execution of the agreement since then

[4:49:15] the Ontario energy board has approved

[4:49:17] the agreement between duffen County and

[4:49:20] Enbridge so we may now have a third and

[4:49:23] final reading of the bylaw may I have a

[4:49:26] motion for bylaw 2024 32 to be read a

[4:49:30] third time and enacted moved by post

[4:49:33] seconded by Garretts all those in

[4:49:36] favor

[4:49:39] carried okay

[4:49:42] do any members of council have any other

[4:49:46] business councilor

[4:49:48] white uh thanks Warden just wondering if

[4:49:51] we can get an update on what delegations

[4:49:53] we have and whatnot and what we're

[4:49:55] talking about at Roma if we have any

[4:49:59] through through you Warden uh thanks for

[4:50:02] the question uh councelor White yes we

[4:50:04] got two U one through Ministry of the

[4:50:06] attorney general which is on

[4:50:09] Tuesday at at 10:45

[4:50:12] 10:45 and another one with the Ministry

[4:50:15] of Transportation which is on Monday and

[4:50:18] I will get back to you with the time so

[4:50:19] actually before counselors who are going

[4:50:21] to Roma if you before you leave if you

[4:50:23] could maybe just touch base with me and

[4:50:25] figure out who's going to which

[4:50:26] delegation and then we can firm up all

[4:50:28] those details uh and just further to to

[4:50:31] answer your question uh the ministry

[4:50:33] attorney general delegation is on um the

[4:50:38] stagnation of uh fees related to Traffic

[4:50:41] infractions or under the highway traffic

[4:50:43] act and uh the non-collection of a

[4:50:47] number of Poa fines over the last many

[4:50:50] years did you want to add anything and

[4:50:52] I'm going to add something about uh

[4:50:54] illegal land

[4:50:57] use sorry I'm going to add something

[4:50:59] about illegal land use and our

[4:51:02] ineffective process of going to POA

[4:51:05] Court getting a crummy fine and then

[4:51:08] having to go to Superior Court to get

[4:51:10] compliance so I'm going to I'm going to

[4:51:13] add that in

[4:51:15] there and the Ministry of Transportation

[4:51:18] delegation is on uh requesting an update

[4:51:21] for the uh study being done on Highway

[4:51:24] 10 and just general traffic road safety

[4:51:27] issues with respect to U both provincial

[4:51:29] highways and and road safety generally

[4:51:31] especially on Rural roads uh referencing

[4:51:34] the work that was done by uh the the um

[4:51:37] good roads Association

[4:51:41] uh thanks for that uh mangon Township

[4:51:43] has a delegation with MTO as well on

[4:51:45] road safety Highway 10 uh Ken Road 17

[4:51:48] and some other things so perhaps we

[4:51:51] could uh work together just to make sure

[4:51:53] we're not doing too much duplication on

[4:51:55] those

[4:51:59] thanks councelor Mills I think you've

[4:52:01] got a delegation as well yes uh Warden

[4:52:04] as I mentioned you on on Monday um we've

[4:52:07] received a delegation with MTO as well

[4:52:09] it's on Monday I I think at 2 or 2:30 um

[4:52:12] I'm hoping the warden if her schedule

[4:52:15] permits U amongst the multitude of other

[4:52:18] delegations you'll have that that week

[4:52:20] that you'll be able to join us my time

[4:52:23] is your

[4:52:25] time did you want to hear everybody we

[4:52:28] have four you've got so we've got uh

[4:52:30] attorney general for councelor because

[4:52:33] that's the speed enforcement in rural

[4:52:35] areas I think is what we're discussing

[4:52:37] there Municipal Affairs and Housing uh

[4:52:40] uh can't even remember Ministry of

[4:52:43] infrastructure it's to advocate for

[4:52:46] different uh designs and standards for

[4:52:49] structures on low volume roads and

[4:52:52] what's our what's our other one

[4:52:56] uh no that's an

[4:52:58] infrastructure oh Minister of Finance

[4:53:01] who uh it's the Parliamentary assistant

[4:53:03] to talk about uh um to put it bluntly uh

[4:53:09] uh treaty as well as they treat the city

[4:53:11] of Toronto and uh and perhaps allowing

[4:53:15] for more uh uh tools to collect taxes so

[4:53:20] thanks thank

[4:53:22] you anybody else anything councilor po

[4:53:26] if you're wanting delegations the town

[4:53:28] of Orangeville just has one delegation

[4:53:29] it's with the Ministry of Finance to

[4:53:31] talk about the Ontario Municipal

[4:53:32] partnership fund which we are the only

[4:53:34] municipality in deff County who does not

[4:53:36] receive so we're we're reaching out to

[4:53:38] them about that the county does they

[4:53:40] don't

[4:53:41] that's right the county as a whole

[4:53:42] doesn't either and I I'll send you some

[4:53:44] data that I've collected about it but

[4:53:45] thank you okay thank

[4:53:48] you um all right we are now going to

[4:53:52] move into um the confirmatory bylaw may

[4:53:56] have a motion for the confirming bylaw

[4:53:59] 20254 to be ra read a first second and

[4:54:02] third time moved by Mill seconded by

[4:54:06] Hall all those in

[4:54:08] favor carried

[4:54:11] the next committee meetings will be held

[4:54:13] Thursday January 3rd in the duff

[4:54:20] room Thursday oh January

[4:54:23] 23rd I think you said the third oh did I

[4:54:26] sorry 23rd uh infrastructure and

[4:54:29] environmental services at 9 General

[4:54:31] government services 11 Community

[4:54:34] Development tourism one and Health and

[4:54:37] Human Services

[4:54:38] three um then the next meeting will be

[4:54:42] that January 30th just get that in your

[4:54:45] calendar so you don't forget our next

[4:54:47] council meeting will be February

[4:54:50] 13th at um same time same

[4:54:55] place okay we have a motion to

[4:55:00] adjourn oh guy okay we're carrying on a

[4:55:04] well I don't know we have

[4:55:08] new I'm good with you doing it

[4:55:10] move by

[4:55:12] Guy second by

[4:55:16] Garrett there you go thanks everyone

[4:55:18] that was a long haul but uh appreciate

[4:55:22] your

[4:55:24] attention

[4:55:28] any that's all right

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