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[5:49] We're going to get started today.

[5:50] Sorry, that was a little loud, but we just had a full house.

[5:52] So we're going to get started.

[5:55] Call the meeting to order.

[5:56] I'll stop this president.

[5:58] All commissioners are present.

[5:59] We'll move on to proclamations.

[6:01] We are doing June is Pride month.

[6:04] So who is in the audience representing

[6:05] our Pride Month proclamation.

[6:08] Ys jagan.

[6:10] OK, Doctor.

[6:11] Hat Just try not to die while I get up there.

[6:15] Sorry set a minefield for myself.

[6:18] My apologies.

[6:19] No OK, well, good morning commissioners.

[6:23] I just wanted to say very briefly,

[6:25] thank you so much for this proclamation

[6:28] representing Pride Month here in the city of Emporia,

[6:30] where pride has become very much.

[6:32]

[6:35] Celebrated and welcomed and growing

[6:38] up here in this community, I love being from Emporio.

[6:41] I'm proud to be from Emporio.

[6:42] I never thought I'd see anything like that in my lifetime.

[6:45] And as a proud member of the LGBTQ community.

[6:48] I'm very proud of the fact that I don't even have

[6:50] to message the city anymore.

[6:51] I get a message at the end of May every year asking,

[6:55] are you planning to submit a pride proclamation.

[6:57] And that means a lot to a lot of people.

[6:59] The fact that the city wants to be recognized for that

[7:02] and wants to recognize it.

[7:04] Of course, we'll have plenty of activities coming up on June 21,

[7:07] so I want to make sure everybody comes out

[7:08] and enjoys those activities.

[7:10] And just wanted to say very quickly,

[7:12] I know that sometimes these topics can be divisive

[7:16] and can cause a lot of debate and in some cases, anger.

[7:21] But that's not what pride is about.

[7:23] Pride is about everyone.

[7:25] Pride is for everyone.

[7:27] And we would ask anybody that maybe has an experience that

[7:29] or has their weariness about it, come and experience it

[7:33] with an open mind and enjoy the peace and the love

[7:35] that comes with it.

[7:37] So thank you again to the city for this,

[7:39] and for constantly recognizing those of us

[7:41] at the LGBTQ community who, again,

[7:44] never thought that we would live to see a moment like this.

[7:46] Thank you.

[7:48] All right.

[7:48] Whereas the city of Emporia is a welcoming community

[7:50] and exceptional place to live, work, play, and raise a family.

[7:55] And whereas Emporia has a diverse lesbian, gay, bisexual,

[7:58] transgender, and questioning LGBTQ community

[8:01] and is committed to supporting visibility, dignity, and equity

[8:05] of all its residents.

[8:06] And whereas many of the residents and business owners.

[8:09] Excuse me.

[8:10] I put in a cough drops cough within the city of Emporia who

[8:14] contribute to the enrichment of our city

[8:16] are a part of the LGBTQ community.

[8:19] And whereas Emporia is strengthened

[8:20] by the diversity of ethnic, cultural, racial, gender and

[8:24] sexual identities of its residents

[8:26] and business community members, all of which

[8:28] contribute to the city's character,

[8:29] talent, economy and leadership.

[8:32] And whereas critical steps have been made

[8:34] towards full LGBTQ equity and equality, members

[8:39] of our national, state, and local communities still

[8:41] face discrimination, exclusion and prejudice simply

[8:43] for being who they are and for who they love.

[8:45] And whereas discrimination against people

[8:47] from the LGBTQ community from around the world

[8:50] makes it imperative for cities like Emporia

[8:51] to stand up and show our support for LGBTQ residents.

[8:55] And whereas we respect and celebrate the richness

[8:57] and variety of cultures, values, traditions and uniqueness

[9:00] as they contribute to the tapestry of our community.

[9:02] And whereas each of us could and should promote inclusiveness,

[9:07] celebrate diversity, support all fellow community members,

[9:11] prevent the spread of misinformation,

[9:13] and reject hate and bias in all forms,

[9:16] which will make for a stronger and healthier community.

[9:18] And whereas June shows, International Pride month

[9:20] commemorates the 1969 protests and demonstrations in response

[9:24] to raids at the Stonewall Inn in New York's Greenwich Village.

[9:27] And whereas June has become a symbolic month in which

[9:29] the LGBTQ community and allies come together in

[9:34] various celebrations of pride.

[9:36] Now, therefore, be resolved that Becky Smith, Mayor, do hereby

[9:39] proclaim the month of June as LGBTQ Pride Month

[9:43] and encourage all residents to actively

[9:45] promote, support and help build a culture of inclusiveness

[9:47] and acceptance.

[9:48]

[10:00] Oxygen I'm taking you.

[10:03] Oh, yeah.

[10:04] Oh, you can stand up there with me.

[10:08] I mean, give everybody a minute.

[10:09] Sure I. Don't want to leave anybody out.

[10:15] Thank you for being here.

[10:17]

[10:22] Thank you.

[10:23] Good job.

[10:25] Thank you.

[10:26] Thank you.

[10:26] This is for you.

[10:28] All right.

[10:38] So, proclamation designating the month of June as zoo month.

[10:42]

[10:50] All right.

[10:50] Thank you.

[10:51] Sure all right.

[10:56] Mayor, commissioners and members of the community,

[10:58] on behalf of all zoo staff, we'd like

[11:01] to thank you and the city of Emporia

[11:03] for their continued recognition and support through this zoo

[11:07] month proclamation.

[11:08] The success of the David Traylor zoo

[11:10] rests on the dedication of the city, the community,

[11:14] the local businesses.

[11:15] For 92 years, the city of Emporia, its residents

[11:19] and its businesses community have shown an immense commitment

[11:22] to providing an oasis where visitors can step away

[11:25] from the hustle and bustle of daily life, even

[11:28] if only for an hour, and become immersed in nature and Wildlife.

[11:32] That support has allowed us to thrive and accomplish so much.

[11:36] It has helped us maintain our aza accreditation for 36 years

[11:41] created a more welcoming experience at our entrance,

[11:45] and develop a new Education Center

[11:47] and continue planning for the future advancements that

[11:50] will benefit our community and visitors for generations

[11:53] to come.

[11:55] We are proud to serve as an anchor in the Emporia community.

[11:58] Beyond providing opportunities to learn about wildlife

[12:01] and conservation.

[12:02] The zoo offers a place where families and friends can gather,

[12:05] connect with nature, and enjoy time

[12:07] together in a peaceful and comfortable environment.

[12:11] As we celebrate zoo month, we remain

[12:13] grateful for the partnership and support

[12:15] that make our work possible.

[12:16] Thank you.

[12:17] Thank you for your commitment to the David Traylor zoo,

[12:20] and for recognizing the important role zoos

[12:23] play in education, conservation, recreation,

[12:26] and community engagement.

[12:28] Thank you.

[12:29] Do you have any exciting activities for the month.

[12:33] I mean, you guys are always busy, but you want to promote.

[12:36] Note we have stolen show coming up featuring Disney's Zootopia

[12:41] on June 12 from the stroll starts at o'clock in the zoo,

[12:45] and the movie will begin at 7:00 o'clock at the zoo

[12:47] Education Center, free for all.

[12:49] We've got free popcorn donated by Walmart,

[12:51] so we're looking forward to having a lot of fun and crafts

[12:54] provided by our Education Department.

[12:56] And then we also have our Open House

[12:58] on June 28 from 1 to three.

[13:00] That all are welcome for behind the scenes tours,

[13:02] meet and greet with our staff and an excellent chance

[13:05] to see how we do what we do.

[13:07] And an update on construction.

[13:09] Construction with the King vulture

[13:11] where putting perching in now getting the animals acclimated.

[13:14] So you will be seeing a grand opening date posted soon.

[13:18] But summer nights, our summer hours this year is new.

[13:23] We're adding Saturdays, so our summer hours will be Sunday,

[13:28] Wednesday and Saturday will be open until 7:00

[13:31] o'clock o'clock o'clock PM so come on down and join us and we

[13:34] have the kazoo wild adventure passport as well that you can

[13:37] get and visit all seven AZA accredited

[13:40] zoos in Kansas and enjoy what the whole state has to offer.

[13:44] If you join, you get discounts.

[13:47] If you join a heck of a deal.

[13:49] Yes, absolutely.

[13:52] I agree.

[13:52] All right.

[13:53] OK we're at zoological parks and aquariums of North America.

[13:57] Serve the needs of both humans and Wildlife.

[14:00] We're bringing them together in a unique

[14:01] meet in a unique setting.

[14:03] And whereas they help build awareness, understanding,

[14:05] concern and a sense of stewardship

[14:08] for wildlife and the environment.

[14:09] And they provide a vital link to global conservation efforts.

[14:13] Their commitment to education fosters and enriches

[14:15] the appreciation of wildlife in over 20 million

[14:18] school children each year.

[14:19] And whereas they actively conduct scientific studies

[14:22] to better care for and preserve the diverse wildlife

[14:25] of the Earth.

[14:26] And they provide important cultural, recreational

[14:28] and educational experiences for over 175

[14:31] million people each year.

[14:33] Therefore, be it known that our esteemed mayor, Becky Smith,

[14:36] does hereby designate the month of June as zoo month

[14:39] and urge all citizens to visit the zoo of Emporia

[14:42] to experience firsthand the wonders of nature

[14:44] in our environment offered by the zoo.

[14:46]

[14:56] Thank you.

[14:58] Thank you.

[14:58]

[15:01] Christine is Christine here.

[15:04] Come on.

[15:05] Come on.

[15:06] OK come on.

[15:13] Get all your.

[15:13]

[15:16] Board members as well, please.

[15:18]

[15:21] It's a.

[15:22]

[15:25] Short stay here.

[15:27]

[15:30] Yes that's a good thing.

[15:39]

[15:46] Thanks, all.

[15:47] Thanks, guys.

[15:48] Thank you.

[15:50] Yeah you.

[15:53]

[15:56] Sure you want me to just pass that forward to you.

[16:00] Well, is there anybody else who hasn't signed up.

[16:03] Who wants to speak with me.

[16:04] Roll into public comment.

[16:05] We need to sign a sheet before it gets passed to me.

[16:08] Officially, or once or twice.

[16:11] The public is invited to make comments at this time.

[16:16] Please limit comments to two minutes each.

[16:19] Please state your name and address

[16:22] prior to making comments.

[16:25] Let me start on the top or the bottom or you don't care.

[16:28] Here at the top.

[16:31] All right.

[16:32] Mickey Edwards is up.

[16:35] Where is she.

[16:36]

[16:38] Oh, it's.

[16:41] Oh, it's Mickey outside.

[16:44] Can you speak up, Mickey Edwards.

[16:48] Thank you.

[16:51] OK Mary Halloran.

[16:53]

[16:56] These people signed up today.

[16:58] I think they're in the other room.

[17:01] So somebody else.

[17:03] Mickey is outside on top of page 1.

[17:05] That's how you sign an order.

[17:08] But that's fine.

[17:09] We're going to hear them all.

[17:10] So sure.

[17:10]

[17:15] When she comes in, we'll give her a minute, but we'll go to.

[17:18] We'll go the other one.

[17:19] All right.

[17:20] JPG oh, sorry I missed.

[17:26] J OK.

[17:26] Here is Jay.

[17:27] Becky thank you.

[17:28] Thank you.

[17:29] Thank you.

[17:30] And I live at 1319 Lawrence Street.

[17:32] So I'm here today to call for an immediate moratorium

[17:36] on the proposed data center and to demand a process that puts

[17:40] the people first, as we see in a lot of other communities

[17:42] like El Dorado, there's been behind the scenes dealing

[17:45] non-disclosure agreements that have been signed,

[17:48] and this does not represent what our community needs or wants.

[17:52] That's why so many residents are signing the fair Emporia,

[17:55] because they want to move to a city commission form of our city

[17:57] council form of government, and not continue with a commission

[18:00] that doesn't represent us.

[18:02] When we look at data centers, we're seeing

[18:05] the destruction of water.

[18:06] It evaporates water.

[18:08] It doesn't return back to the rivers.

[18:10] It's going to impact our environment.

[18:13] And newsflash, we're running out of water.

[18:15] And Kansas isn't the governor talking about it all the time.

[18:18] So this is just not a good idea.

[18:20] It lowers property values.

[18:22] It has.

[18:22] It can be heard up to a mile away.

[18:25] The buzzing sounds.

[18:27] It impacts agriculture not just on a water level,

[18:30] but also it stops cows from being able to produce milk

[18:33] or wanting to have children.

[18:36] So I think that speaks to a lot of our rural people as well.

[18:41] It has a massive strain on our local electrical grid,

[18:44] and it results in raising our utility rates.

[18:47] And if we've seen anything from Everjoy over the past few years,

[18:49] they're ready to raise those rates up.

[18:51] They've already done it twice in the past six years.

[18:53] So we already know what this is going to look like for us

[18:55] as a community.

[18:56] And like we keep talking about jobs

[18:58] like this is going to do something for our community,

[19:00] but we know from other communities that it's just short

[19:02] lived jobs.

[19:04] For building the data center.

[19:06] And then after that, there's no jobs.

[19:08] It's like a handful of people working there,

[19:09] and a lot of those people probably aren't even

[19:11] going to be from our community.

[19:12] So we need to do better, and I expect

[19:14] better from our government here locally.

[19:15] We should be the first people to speak with, not the last, right.

[19:19] You guys have already.

[19:21] You guys have already planned all of these different.

[19:24] Today you're going to annex the land,

[19:25] tomorrow you're going to take the water that we didn't

[19:27] give you consent to take.

[19:29] And then after that, you're going

[19:30] to listen to us for a minute, and then you're

[19:32] going to still push it through.

[19:33] Unacceptable Yeah thank you.

[19:38] Thank you.

[19:39] Thank you.

[19:40] My son's next.

[19:41] So he's got a few words for you guys as well.

[19:44] We got to say buddy.

[19:46] Sorry I will say he's going to be the cutest.

[19:49] We see today that green is data center.

[19:54] So say it louder, buddy.

[19:57] Oh, don't do it.

[19:59] Throw the Daddy.

[20:00] He wants to save our rivers.

[20:05] He was telling me earlier, and he wants to protect the animals,

[20:08] so.

[20:08] Please yeah.

[20:10] Think of our children for their future.

[20:12] Thank you so much.

[20:14] So is that raya and ragan?

[20:16] Is that who that was.

[20:18] That was my son.

[20:19] No my daughter is.

[20:20] Oh OK.

[20:20] She'll so here it is.

[20:25] So what I have on the list is read index.

[20:27] Yeah that's right.

[20:29] OK we're good.

[20:29] OK thank you though.

[20:31] We're moving on to Kathy Lamb.

[20:32]

[20:42] My name is Kathy Lamb.

[20:43] I live at 1706 East 10th Avenue in Kansas.

[20:47] And I'm here to oppose the data center and the annexation

[20:49] of the tracts of land.

[20:51] I know that once it's annexed, if it is annexed,

[20:55] it will be the site of a data center

[20:59] that will cause noise 24 hours a day.

[21:03] We already pay an exorbitant amount

[21:05] of money for property taxes.

[21:06] Everyone in this room is aware of that.

[21:09] On top of the high taxes, our electric Bills will go up.

[21:12] Our water Bills will go up.

[21:15] There's not going to be enough money left

[21:18] to spend in any small business.

[21:22] On top of that.

[21:23] Why is it being built so close to the communities.

[21:26] It's so close to the houses.

[21:28] It's a constant noise, and I don't

[21:30] know any of you have gone and actually observed a data

[21:34] center and the noise that it makes, it's loud

[21:40] and I don't understand why you would contemplate getting

[21:48] rid of one of the world's purest, best tasting water

[21:54] and sacrifice it to a Monster Machine.

[21:58] It is the best water.

[22:01] And we will the well will run dry.

[22:04] We have droughts.

[22:05] What are you going to do for us when we don't have the water.

[22:09] Our people need water.

[22:10] Our farmers need water.

[22:12] We put.

[22:14] We take showers.

[22:15] We cook with it.

[22:16] We drink with it.

[22:17] We need it.

[22:19] And to use it on that monster contraption

[22:24] that you want to call something that we all know.

[22:26] It's a data center.

[22:28] It's wrong.

[22:29] I think it's very wrong.

[22:31] And I think you're selling out the people that put you

[22:34] in office when you consider it.

[22:37] Thank you.

[22:38] Thank you.

[22:39]

[22:45] I'm going to ask everybody to be respectful.

[22:48] If you talk while they're trying to talk,

[22:50] sometimes we cannot hear them.

[22:52] So keep your.

[22:53] And you're welcome to do the yeses and the clapping

[22:55] in between.

[22:56] I'm just saying, while they talk, please use

[22:57] their time to Edgar Esparza.

[23:02] Yes go ahead.

[23:06] Hello my name is Edgar, and I'm a software developer,

[23:08] and I live at 11:06 Neosho.

[23:10] And I'm here to speak against the proposed data center.

[23:13] I work with data centers for my professional career,

[23:16] so I know how they operate.

[23:17] I'm not here to talk based on fear or misinformation.

[23:21] My main concern is water, and residents use 6 to eight million

[23:24] gallons of water every day.

[23:26] And in 2023, when we were using 12 million

[23:30] gallons of water per day, the infrastructure

[23:32] was pushed to its limit.

[23:33] In 2024, the infrastructure failed, and in 2026

[23:37] it produced a sinkhole.

[23:40] Adding a data center to that will only make things worse.

[23:44] I'm also concerned about the strain on the power grid,

[23:46] the environmental impact on the proposed on site natural gas

[23:49] generation, air and noise pollution, and the fact

[23:52] that this facility will be an eyesore from the highway.

[23:54] Transparency is also a major issue.

[23:56] Data centers are being fast tracked nationwide, often

[23:59] despite public opposition.

[24:01] This site alone is 1,000 acres, that is 505 football fields.

[24:05] That's the size of a small town.

[24:08] I can tell you, as someone who works in the industry,

[24:10] we don't need something that size unless it's for something

[24:13] that your intelligence.

[24:16] I read the proposed Amendment carefully,

[24:18] and I am troubled by how often the phrase the city may require

[24:21] was used.

[24:22] May gives permission, but doesn't require action.

[24:25] It sounds like the city will have

[24:27] the power to enforce things, but will likely choose not to.

[24:29] Hiding behind this deliberate language.

[24:31] We don't want permission for the city to act on our benefit.

[24:35] We want to require the city to make sure

[24:38] that they act on our benefit.

[24:40] You must use words like shall require

[24:44] or the developer must provide.

[24:45] Anything less is just a suggestion and not a safeguard.

[24:48] Also, there are terms in there like surveilling

[24:50] and quantum computing.

[24:52] Why are those terms in there.

[24:53] Are we just blanket trying to rezone something just to make

[24:56] sure that it pushes through.

[24:57] And then later on we can't put any of the safeguards up.

[25:01] So these are all red flags and speculative zoning to me.

[25:05] So I urge you to vote yes.

[25:08]

[25:15] David young.

[25:18] I don't have orientation.

[25:20] I have questions.

[25:21] Are you willing to answer those.

[25:23] Well, no, we don't actually engage

[25:25] in our public speaking time.

[25:28] There is a plan, and there is a planning and zoning

[25:31] meeting in on the 23rd.

[25:34] And that is the zoning is actually where

[25:37] this will be really taken up.

[25:38] So I'll wait till then MS McGuire.

[25:42] Thank you.

[25:43] I was told I could hand these out.

[25:44] And we can pass those around to the group.

[25:47] Good morning.

[25:48] My name is Mike McGuire.

[25:49] I live at 1702 Cal Loma, by the way.

[25:52] Loud and proud.

[25:53] Even going straight.

[25:55] Oh right on.

[25:56] Yeah here we go.

[25:58] Thank you for facilitating the public meeting.

[26:00] It is a sign of your willingness to be transparent.

[26:03] Government I do not have the expertise to make an informed

[26:06] decision on whether the Kansa park data center is the best

[26:10] option for Emporia, so I will offer two points close

[26:14] and then leave.

[26:15] Number one, I wish that Emporia were not in this moment.

[26:19] That feels so desperate.

[26:22] Number 2, I am handing you and those gathered

[26:25] j here a two sided document.

[26:29] It is meant to be studied.

[26:32] On one side is a list that states.

[26:34] Quote before any data center project is approved,

[26:38] the community and the local leaders

[26:40] should require several key protections to ensure residents

[26:46] receive real benefits and are not left subsidizing

[26:50] the project end quote.

[26:52] That information came from Natalie Martin, a former Emporia

[26:56] resident ESU graduate, science teacher and now project manager

[27:01] at Black Veatch.

[27:03] On the other side is a letter.

[27:05] The letter is an idea about a theme park.

[27:08] The letter was written by me and addressed to Taylor Swift.

[27:12] Some may write it off as a dream.

[27:15] That's OK.

[27:16] I like to dream big.

[27:17] In closing, creating 20 to 50 full time data center jobs

[27:22] might be the way to go.

[27:23] Building the Taylor Swift heart of America theater

[27:26] and Swiftie family theme park that

[27:29] could create hundreds if not thousands of jobs

[27:32] might be a better way to go.

[27:33] And for comparison, Dollywood in Tennessee

[27:36] employs 4,000 people annually.

[27:39] Thank you.

[27:39]

[27:47] Judith oh, man.

[27:50] I had 12 seconds to.

[27:51]

[27:55] Get gas.

[27:56] I didn't want to stop.

[27:59] Thank you.

[28:00] I'm at 9:21 Lakeview.

[28:03] I don't know if any of y'all know

[28:04] how many threatened or endangered

[28:06] species we have in this area.

[28:08] Rhetorical question.

[28:09] I don't either, but I know the four in my discipline,

[28:12] which is Freshwater biology.

[28:14] And of those four, there are two that

[28:17] are named after one of the rivers that surrounds our city.

[28:21] And I think that's important to know

[28:25] because that means those creatures

[28:27] are nowhere else in the world.

[28:29] They are endemic to that river.

[28:31] And if we start building data centers that draw tons of water

[28:38] and start killing off our endemic species,

[28:42] we're going to be causing way more problems than just

[28:45] for humans.

[28:46] We need to also look at the economical or ecological impacts

[28:50] of these things.

[28:51] So I would like to call for a moratorium

[28:53] of no less than five years.

[28:57] Data centers are one of the most unifying issues in our country

[29:01] right now 7 out of 10 Americans do not want data

[29:06] centers built in their towns.

[29:08] It's more unifying than when prohibition got overturned.

[29:12] So nothing has unified us more than beer and data centers.

[29:17] So I would just like you guys to consider the fact that we might

[29:22] not know everything about these data centers, which is why

[29:26] we're asking for more time to know

[29:28] what they will do to our areas.

[29:31] We need.

[29:34] Excuse me.

[29:36] I should have written down my.

[29:39] You're doing great.

[29:41] We know.

[29:43] Yeah so we need more time in order

[29:45] to realize what is going on.

[29:47] So we're not saying that we're against progress here

[29:50] in this town.

[29:51] We're just against this progress right now.

[29:54] Maybe later when we know what it actually does.

[29:57] But right now, we need industries

[30:00] that our town has historically.

[30:03] For clarification, what's the animal that's

[30:05] named after one of our Rivers.

[30:06] We have the Neosho madtom and the Neosho mucket.

[30:09] Are they fish or ones actually like amphibian

[30:14] And the other one is a mussel.

[30:15] Thank you.

[30:16] Thank you.

[30:17]

[30:22] How do I sign up to speak.

[30:24] Oh, you can come on up.

[30:26]

[30:30] We'll pass it over in case there's anybody else.

[30:32] All right.

[30:33] We agree.

[30:33]

[30:39] Hello good morning.

[30:40] OK am I loud enough for everybody back here.

[30:43] I feel like I'm yelling at you guys, but I don't want to.

[30:46] My name is Leah Green.

[30:47] I live at 2215 North highway 99.

[30:50] What I wanted to talk about today

[30:52] is the money part related to data centers,

[30:55] because I know everyone here is going

[30:56] to be emotional in front of me.

[30:58] I have the Kansas sales tax exemption, SB 98, which

[31:02] Kansas has already passed.

[31:04] For those that don't Kansas has already

[31:06] given data centers a 100% state and local sales tax exemption.

[31:12] So that means data centers don't have to pay taxes on the land.

[31:15] They don't have to pay taxes on any equipment,

[31:18] on any construction costs, or on any labor for 20 years.

[31:21] And Kansas has given that to them.

[31:24] What I would like to ask the city today

[31:26] is that since we're already losing out

[31:28] on 20 years of local sales tax, if we were to get an AI center,

[31:32] I think it's fair to ask that we don't offer

[31:35] them any more tax incentives.

[31:37] I think 20 years of no sales tax is amazing.

[31:41] I think we would all be happy to get that.

[31:43] So I would like to ask them if a data center were

[31:46] approved, would you commit to having

[31:49] them pay their fair share.

[31:51] And would you refuse to offer them any local tax incentives.

[31:55] So, Kirk, do you think that you would

[31:57] want to offer them any tax incentives

[31:59] we're not allowed to combat.

[32:00] Monica, would you be back.

[32:02] Are you willing to answer.

[32:04] OK Tammy, would you be willing to stand up for that.

[32:07] I can't do that.

[32:09] Aaron wow.

[32:10] Happy to meet with you after this.

[32:12] OK I'd love to meet with you, Aaron.

[32:13] I've appreciated that.

[32:15] The last thing I want to say is the only way to grow is West.

[32:18] We've all heard that right.

[32:20] But what happens if we use 1,000 acres of our land, developmental

[32:25] land and it goes belly up.

[32:27] Where is this town going to grow if we've spent

[32:29] 1,000 acres on that.

[32:30] To put that into perspective, hills has 81 acres.

[32:33] Simmons has 81.

[32:35] Hostess has 36.

[32:36] Tyson had 46.

[32:37] We're talking about 1,000.

[32:39] Where will Emporia grow when we've put a 1,000 acre Boulder

[32:43] in the middle of her path.

[32:44] Thank you.

[32:45]

[32:59] Good afternoon, everyone.

[33:00] My name is Anna.

[33:01] I live at 1674 road 235.

[33:05] Am I speaking loud enough.

[33:07] Yes OK.

[33:09] There are entirely too many unknowns

[33:11] for us to be inviting a data center into our community.

[33:15] Kansas may not be the show-me state,

[33:17] but we're right next door.

[33:19] So when it comes to data centers, we say, show me.

[33:22] Show me.

[33:23] There will be no noise pollution.

[33:25] Show me there will be no extreme water consumption.

[33:28] Show me a promise that utility Bills won't increase.

[33:32] Show me that there are local jobs that will last five years

[33:36] after construction is complete.

[33:39] Show me that the benefits of a data center

[33:42] outweigh the negatives that we are learning

[33:45] more and more about every day.

[33:48] Show me all of that somewhere that is not in our backyard.

[33:52]

[33:56] Then show me the names of the significant private investor

[34:00] and a company name.

[34:03] Show me a clear exit agreement so our community

[34:07] cannot be left high and dry in a few years after that.

[34:12] Maybe then we can begin to consider

[34:15] this so-called opportunity.

[34:18] Until then, we don't want any land in this city or the County

[34:22] zoned for this use.

[34:25] And today we are calling for a moratorium of at least eight

[34:30] months, which is the reported time that you guys have

[34:33] had these talks in progress.

[34:36] At the end of the Moratorium, we want a public vote on whether we

[34:41] allow data centers.

[34:44] And am I correct in my understanding

[34:46] that this could be protested with a petition signed by 20%

[34:51] of registered voter population.

[34:54] Christina depends on what you're protesting,

[34:58] I think is a zoning change.

[35:01] Can you protest a zoning change.

[35:03] I'd be happy to meet with you and talk to you about that.

[35:06] OK yes.

[35:07] And I would want to know when this petition

[35:11] should be completed in order to stop the zoning change as well.

[35:16] If I can get all that information.

[35:18] Thank you.

[35:19]

[35:25] I'm going to start calling you names

[35:26] so that we can have the other person in the wings just

[35:28] to keep going here quickly.

[35:29] So Leslie Smith and George typekit George is on deck.

[35:37] George is on deck.

[35:38] I didn't say, is he outside or is he here.

[35:42] He's OK, he's OK.

[35:43] He's out here.

[35:44] OK.

[35:45] Hi.

[35:46] My name is Leslie Smith, 9:15 Neosho street.

[35:49] I will give all my extra time to George,

[35:51] because I'm just going to say something short and sweet.

[35:53] One, I support everything that everybody said prior to me.

[35:56] I am opposed to the data center.

[35:58] While the city needs to find ways to grow economically,

[36:01] this is not the way, especially with the lack

[36:03] of transparency exhibited.

[36:05] I yield my time.

[36:07] All right, George.

[36:08]

[36:12] I'm not sure what to do with extra time, but good morning.

[36:15] My name is George hupka.

[36:16] I live at 1919 Irving way, and I moved to Emporia

[36:19] about three years ago.

[36:21] I grew up in a much larger city.

[36:23] During my time here, I've absolutely fallen in love

[36:26] with the city, the community.

[36:28] I appreciate the spirit of Emporia, the energy of downtown,

[36:32] the festivals, the local businesses,

[36:35] and most importantly, the people that

[36:36] make it such a special place.

[36:39] Like many small towns across America,

[36:41] obviously there's challenges and attracting

[36:46] and retaining good paying jobs.

[36:49] Why that's why this new opportunity obviously

[36:52] is going to spark so much discussion, so much

[36:55] emotion, energy and excitement.

[36:59] I understand those feelings.

[37:01] Change can be difficult, and it's important

[37:03] that we ask questions and carefully

[37:05] consider the impact of this change of any major change.

[37:11] I encourage us all to take the time

[37:13] to fully understand what's being proposed

[37:17] and decide where we stand.

[37:19] Things can be done right.

[37:21] Things can be done wrong.

[37:25] It could be an incredible opportunity for the city.

[37:28] It could be an opportunity to create jobs.

[37:31] It could strengthen our economy.

[37:33] It could ensure the future generations

[37:36] can build their lives right here in Emporia if done right.

[37:41] We need to take the time to make sure it's done right.

[37:46] Understand what is being proposed.

[37:49] Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[37:54] Two more minutes.

[37:56] Do you have anything.

[37:57] It's up to you.

[37:58] If you really want them, you can keep going.

[38:01] I'd just like to say we're all using data centers every day.

[38:06] No, that's not true.

[38:07] Just remember that.

[38:08] No, you're not going to get us on board with that we don't

[38:15] want to operate without that.

[38:19] I'm not doing that.

[38:20] We are moving on to Chelsea.

[38:23] Chris and Ashley Dorris on deck.

[38:25]

[38:29] Chelsea Chelsea and Ashley.

[38:34] Jordan hi.

[38:37] I'm Chelsea.

[38:38] I have lived here for six years now,

[38:41] and I've absolutely fallen in love with this place.

[38:44] Kansas it's beautiful.

[38:45] I go out and I photograph it every single day.

[38:48] Bringing a data center here would not be any good.

[38:51] It's more than the phone.

[38:53] It's way more.

[38:54] It's surveillance.

[38:55] It's everything.

[38:56] And to just look at it from a money perspective

[39:00] and all that is disgusting.

[39:02] It's absolutely disgusting.

[39:03] We need more time.

[39:05] We need more things brought.

[39:06] But in my opinion, it doesn't need to be here at all.

[39:09] Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[39:11]

[39:21] She's up.

[39:22] Melissa I'm Ashley door.

[39:25] I live at 7-eleven Constitution.

[39:26] I've lived here most of my life.

[39:28] I just want to say we don't need a data center.

[39:31] Noise pollution.

[39:32] It's going to cause migraines, anxiety, which most of this town

[39:36] already has.

[39:38] It's going to.

[39:39] It's going to take away all of our water.

[39:41] What I want to know is when they deplete all of our water.

[39:44] They're going to leave.

[39:45] And what's that going to leave us with.

[39:48] It's not good.

[39:49] We don't need one.

[39:50] Thank you.

[39:51]

[39:56] Moses is up with Clara on deck.

[40:01]

[40:07] Hi, my name is Melissa stapley.

[40:09] I live at 1542 road 160.

[40:12] Good morning.

[40:13] I am here to formally request that this commission placed

[40:16] a moratorium to the process digital infrastructure overlay

[40:20] district zoning, and that any decision of this magnitude

[40:23] be placed before the public for a vote.

[40:26] The project was reportedly under discussion for eight months

[40:29] before Emporia residents heard a single word about it.

[40:32] Now we are being asked to accept a zoning framework in 43 days

[40:36] for a gigawatt scale, 1,000 acre facility

[40:39] whose operating company has not even been named name publicly.

[40:42] That is not community engagement.

[40:45] Our community depends on the Neosho river and local

[40:48] groundwater for drinking water.

[40:50] We have already experienced drought

[40:52] conditions severe enough to require conservation measures.

[40:56] We already have water intensive industries operating here.

[40:59] And now we're being asked to approve

[41:00] without independent study, without binding water use caps,

[41:04] without knowing who the tenant is, a facility

[41:07] that a gigawatt scale could consume millions of gallons

[41:09] of water every single day.

[41:13] Emporia residents are not opposed to growth.

[41:16] We are opposed to being bypassed.

[41:18] Decisions that will shape this community for the next 50 years.

[41:21] Our water, our infrastructure, our tax base and our children's

[41:25] schools deserve more than 43 days and a planning

[41:28] commission hearing.

[41:30] We're asking for three things.

[41:31] I am asking for three things a minimum of 100.

[41:34] Minimum 120 day moratorium to allow

[41:38] independent assessment of water power and fiscal impacts.

[41:42] Second, full public disclosure of the end

[41:44] user company before any vote.

[41:47] Third, that the commission placed the question of approval

[41:49] before Memorial residents directly.

[41:51] Let us vote.

[41:53] This community showed up today because we love Emporia,

[41:56] and we expect to be treated as partners in the future,

[41:59] not as an afterthought.

[42:00] Thank you.

[42:01]

[42:10] So after Clara will be gone.

[42:12] Luke yes.

[42:15] Hi I'm Clara horn, 1122 West.

[42:18] And I love Emporia.

[42:20] I moved here in 2010 from a town that I would have considered

[42:24] not really growing and not really full

[42:26] of vibrancy to a town that is.

[42:28] I love Emporia, and I said, no one in Emporia

[42:31] is against progress.

[42:33] But not all progress is good.

[42:36] The vast majority of Syrians don't want this.

[42:39] As you guys can see from this experience today and all

[42:42] the social media comments and even the cooling systems that

[42:46] use less water for these days.

[42:48] There's different ones, like a closed loop system,

[42:50] I believe is what we were told this one

[42:52] will have if potentially.

[42:54] Oh sorry.

[42:55] Even those use an inordinate amount of energy,

[42:58] so they may use less water, but they use a ton of energy.

[43:01] And then Everjoy will have to use more water.

[43:03] So they end up using a lot of water and energy.

[43:05] Regardless we've already seen that we

[43:09] have these blackouts periodically kind out

[43:11] of nowhere.

[43:12] They don't last that long, but they pop up during unbound.

[43:15] I was in the coffee shop and it just happened.

[43:18] Came back on a little bit.

[43:20] No Biggie.

[43:20] We kept going.

[43:21] But that's just unbound.

[43:23] When unbound comes through.

[43:24] Yeah, there's a lot of energy usage.

[43:26] There's things plugged in, stuff going,

[43:28] and if energy can't handle that, how can they handle this.

[43:33] Yeah, I thought about that to the water system that we have.

[43:38] I mean, the plumbing in this town

[43:40] is constantly falling apart.

[43:41] And as we saw I believe it was in the kvoa coverage of this,

[43:48] that there's a variety of possible scenarios for fixing

[43:52] up our plumbing system refurbishment

[43:56] to completely rehauling it.

[43:57] It's going to cost us a lot of money

[43:58] to do that, which is something we need to do.

[44:02] So that's an addition to this.

[44:03] This is going to use a lot of water and a lot of energy.

[44:05] And we're already struggling in those areas.

[44:07] Sinkholes, water main breakage boil advisories.

[44:10] This is just an additional issue.

[44:13] Lastly, as I have only a couple more minutes,

[44:14] the jobs it creates are going to be very temporary and very few.

[44:17] Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[44:19]

[44:26] Thank you.

[44:26] Please give it to Gary.

[44:28] And after Don, is Barb Ferris OK.

[44:34] Let's get one.

[44:41] Hi, I'm Jon Liu.

[44:43] I'm a member of the advisory board,

[44:45] but I'm not speaking as a representative of that board.

[44:48] I voted against the champion landing funding request

[44:50] because I believe that it does not meet

[44:51] the requirements of the law.

[44:53] Champions landing wants to use tax funds for the construction

[44:56] of four tiny homes, the development

[44:58] of four RV pads and infrastructure improvements

[45:01] to statute and other state documents

[45:03] do not appear to allow the use of funds

[45:06] for private property and enhancements,

[45:10] even if the property is used for events that attract tourists.

[45:13] The statute indicates that TGT funds

[45:15] can be used for conventions and tourism promotion, which means

[45:19] activities to attract visitors into the community

[45:22] through marketing efforts, including advertising,

[45:24] and to support activities and organizations that encourage

[45:27] increased lodging occupancy.

[45:29] There's an ag T91.

[45:32] Attorney general's opinion noted that convention and tourism

[45:35] promotion has broad guidelines, and leaves it

[45:37] up to the local governing body to make particular expenditures.

[45:42] This opinion indicated that it was OK to use public funds

[45:44] on public property.

[45:46] Last year, the legislators legislatures division

[45:49] of post-audit reviewed expenditures

[45:51] by Manhattan, Overland park, and Wichita.

[45:54] It came up with a long list of allowable expenditures

[45:57] that draw tourists travel advertisement festivals,

[46:00] museums, website trade shows, conventions, sports events,

[46:04] print and digital promotion materials,

[46:06] and operating and maintaining existing

[46:08] tourism facilities such as city owned convention center.

[46:12] None of these are similar to champion landing's application.

[46:15] I also believe it would be unfair to other businesses

[46:18] in town to provide lodging, to give one company tax dollars,

[46:22] to get a leg up on those businesses that

[46:24] are also supporting the same type of activity.

[46:29] Thank you.

[46:30]

[46:33] After Barb will be.

[46:35] We're back to the cameras.

[46:36]

[46:39] Hi, my name is Barbara lane Farris.

[46:41] I am at 1408 Guerra place.

[46:45] I've lived here since 2019.

[46:47] I absolutely love Emporia.

[46:49] I am buying a house here.

[46:52] I'm a grad student at Ku.

[46:53] I'm fully invested in this community,

[46:57] and what I want to say today is that data centers

[46:59] are not quiet, clean neighbors.

[47:04] They are industrial behemoths that demand staggering amounts

[47:08] of electricity and water.

[47:10] A single large data center can consume millions

[47:13] of gallons of water daily just to keep

[47:16] its servers from overheating.

[47:18] Where do you think that water comes from.

[47:21] Our local supplies.

[47:24]

[47:27] In a state where water conservation

[47:28] is always on our minds.

[47:30] We cannot afford to drain our local supplies

[47:33] for corporate server farms.

[47:36] To make matters even worse, to maintain a constant uptime,

[47:39] these facilities rely on massive numbers

[47:41] of diesel backup generators, which

[47:44] emit harmful particulate matter and nitrogen

[47:46] oxides directly into our air.

[47:49] Almost 3,000 people in this town already have asthma.

[47:53]

[47:56] Second, let's consider the economic impact

[47:58] on everyday residents.

[48:00] The massive energy draw required to power artificial intelligence

[48:04] and data servers puts an immense strain on our local power grid.

[48:10] Historically, these massive power demands

[48:12] lead to higher utility rates for residents and small businesses,

[48:16] forcing the community to foot the bill for costly Grid

[48:20] Infrastructure upgrades.

[48:23] Add to that the constant high pitched mechanical humming

[48:27] of industrial cooling fans and our peaceful Flint

[48:30] Hill nights are replaced by Endless noise pollution.

[48:35] Emporia is a proud community with a rich history

[48:39] and a bright agricultural educational identity.

[48:45] Please listen to us.

[48:46] Please don't do this.

[48:48] Please give us a reason to trust you.

[48:50] I want to trust you so bad.

[48:52] Please please don't do this.

[48:54]

[49:03] To me.

[49:03] Edward with Mary Halloran on deck.

[49:06]

[49:09] For more.

[49:11] OK, but is Mickey not here.

[49:15] All right.

[49:15] Mary Halloran is up with Becky Morgan on deck.

[49:18]

[49:22] Good night.

[49:23] Some new names.

[49:26] Another day.

[49:27] She must be signed up on the back side.

[49:31] OK, I'm guessing we don't have these.

[49:34] We added to it.

[49:35] We added to it.

[49:35] Which ones did you add after Becky tried that one.

[49:39] Mark Jurgens.

[49:42] OK, so then Molly Williams is on deck.

[49:44]

[49:48] Thank you.

[49:50] Mark Jurgens, 28, 25, Rio Vista, Emporia State retiree.

[49:56]

[50:00] This town is so great.

[50:05] Look what Emporia does.

[50:07] Look what Emporia has.

[50:09] History is.

[50:10] And the direction that it goes.

[50:12] The events and Emporia State.

[50:15] The National track meets.

[50:17] We've had the Shrine Bowl.

[50:18] I mean, Emporia people come to Emporia,

[50:22] and that pays transient tax money into this town.

[50:27] If you go to the Chamber of Commerce,

[50:29] big flyer there shows these events.

[50:32] Welcome to Emporia.

[50:35] We don't want to put a black eye on that front page

[50:38] of a data center.

[50:40] That's not going to bring anybody to this town.

[50:43] No one's going to come for that at all.

[50:46] It is not a selling point.

[50:48] It isn't.

[50:50] Eight months wasn't that long ago.

[50:54] We voted for the city commission.

[50:56] I listened to the interviews.

[50:58] I read about the interviews.

[51:01] I don't recall anybody bringing that up for the need of Emporia.

[51:07] It wasn't there.

[51:10] We haven't had enough time to process this.

[51:13] No pun intended, that you guys have.

[51:17] But I do know this.

[51:18]

[51:21] Marion lake is where Neosho river comes from.

[51:25] Last year it was so dry campers were

[51:28] camping where the water wasn't.

[51:31] Comes down through the Neosho river.

[51:34] I've seen it dry before.

[51:35] I know that because we've had water restrictions in Emporia.

[51:39] Lakes are back up.

[51:41] It's a pond.

[51:42] That's not the direction we want to go.

[51:44] Let's keep the positive going for Emporia.

[51:48] Someone's going to profit from this.

[51:50] Yes it's not you guys.

[51:51]

[51:54] Thank you.

[51:55]

[51:59] All right, Molly is up, and then Alex Babb.

[52:03] Hi, I'm Molly Williams, this is Sophie.

[52:06] I live at 175 or 412 road 175, in Emporia.

[52:11] I would like to say that I am pro-jobs,

[52:14] but I want jobs for my children when they graduate.

[52:17] I want jobs for the future as well as jobs for now.

[52:21] We need to know who are these investors.

[52:24] What are they planning to use this data center for.

[52:26] Are they training large language models.

[52:28] Are they mining for cryptocurrency.

[52:30] And if they are, they should have to get up here and explain

[52:33] to all of us what that is.

[52:35] And if they can explain it to our satisfaction,

[52:38] then we need to know why should we give

[52:41] them tax breaks to do that.

[52:44] Why are we giving tax breaks to billionaires.

[52:47] The Brookings Institute in May of 26

[52:50] showed that incentives are poorly targeted.

[52:53] Location decisions are not driven by tax breaks,

[52:56] but by power availability, land and fiber infrastructure.

[53:00] Second, are we having a single center or a cluster.

[53:03] Again, Brookings says that economic benefits to communities

[53:08] require multiple facilities, not single facilities.

[53:12] What are we doing about utilities.

[53:14] A Harvard study in March of 2025 25,

[53:17] showed evidence of under-the-table agreements

[53:20] between city commissions and these companies,

[53:23] increasing rates for communities.

[53:26] What kind of energy are they going to be using.

[53:28] Clean energy.

[53:29] Are we having noise barriers.

[53:31] What kind of light pollution should we expect.

[53:34] There's a hospital plan to go right in across the street

[53:37] from this place.

[53:38] I am an ICU RN with 12 years experience

[53:41] in level 1 trauma centers.

[53:44] That is a real concern for patient healing.

[53:47] You're going to mix up their days and nights.

[53:48] You're going to get ICU delirium.

[53:51] Healing will take longer.

[53:53] Do we zone for noise protection.

[53:55] We need to have them disclose their energy

[53:56] plan so we can evaluate clean alternatives

[53:59] during permitting also.

[54:01] How are we going to use their power during shortages.

[54:05] Can I say one more thing quickly.

[54:07] Battery storage versus diesel.

[54:10] Pollution from diesel generators during even limited blackouts

[54:14] showed in Virginia an association with $300 million

[54:19] in annual public health costs, increase for asthma and heart

[54:22] disease, and this is from the World Resources

[54:24] Institute in February 2016.

[54:26] Thank you.

[54:27]

[54:32] Thank you.

[54:32]

[54:35] We've got Alex up with Greg Markowitz on deck.

[54:39] Hey, I live on 25 460th road.

[54:44] My grandfather was a geologist at USU for 20 or 30 years.

[54:48] He wrote papers that went to Kansas University about how

[54:51] there is a drought imminent happening right now,

[54:54] despite the fact that we have this extreme demand,

[54:57] energy intensive, not to mention the environmental costs.

[55:02] This is going to accelerate the drought that we're

[55:04] already facing by tenfold.

[55:06] And if you guys don't recognize that,

[55:08] I want you to ask yourself, who do you actually represent.

[55:10] We represent the collective population of Emporia.

[55:14] You to me, represent moneyed interests

[55:16] in the oligarchs in Washington and everything that is

[55:18] going wrong with this country.

[55:21] You guys spent eight months talking amongst yourselves

[55:23] and not sharing this with the rest of the public,

[55:25] what is actually going on.

[55:25] And then you give us two minutes to come and try and stop this.

[55:29] You guys can have hell to pay if you do this.

[55:31] You need to ask yourself who you really are deep down.

[55:34] What are you actually doing here.

[55:36] Is this actually beneficial for employee.

[55:38] Yes or no.

[55:39] And how Why? you should explain to us

[55:40] how it actually is like this is a yes or no question.

[55:44] It's not a subjective matter.

[55:46] So let's get serious and actually do our research.

[55:49] Take the time to understand what is actually going on.

[55:51] You have experts here speaking for two minutes and OK,

[55:56] what else I got bit by a dog here on the way here.

[55:59] It's hard to be a Good Samaritan.

[56:01] OK like this is insane.

[56:04] Congress just passed a bill saying AI is

[56:06] not liable for responsibility.

[56:08] Over 100 people dying due to I. That's

[56:11] what these data processes are going to be mulling over

[56:14] is the school in Iran that got bombed due to I think about it,

[56:20] think about what these data centers are processing.

[56:22] It's not just our phones and our Google search results.

[56:25] It's everything.

[56:26] It's everything.

[56:27] And this is the Trump regime.

[56:28] This is fascism.

[56:29] This is the tech oligarchs, the AI bubble

[56:31] that has taken over Americans.

[56:33] It's taken over Wall Street.

[56:34] It's the biggest financial force in the world

[56:37] that we're just opening our doors to.

[56:40] They have nothing to say.

[56:41] Thank you.

[56:42] Have a good day.

[56:43]

[56:48] And then we have Victoria gonet.

[56:50] She was here earlier.

[56:52] Good morning, Commissioner, and thank

[56:54] you for providing this opportunity

[56:55] to make our feelings known.

[56:57] I appreciate it.

[56:58] I just have one point, and that point

[57:01] is an issue of this magnitude and diversity and questions.

[57:07] This is not a decision to be made by the five of you.

[57:11] It is a decision that requires a vote of the people

[57:15] who will be affected.

[57:19] This is not a behind the doors.

[57:21] We're going to do this.

[57:22] This needs to be voted on.

[57:25] And the only reason you won't vote on it

[57:27] is if you're afraid you're going to lose the vote.

[57:29] Yep and that's my two cents worth.

[57:32] Take it for what it's worth.

[57:33] And the other point that I'll make.

[57:35] And it's not a threat.

[57:36] But if you choose not to vote on this,

[57:39] I can 100% guarantee you there will be

[57:41] a petition to force that vote.

[57:43] And it won't be very difficult to get signatures.

[57:45] No it won't.

[57:46] Thank you.

[57:47] Thank you.

[57:48]

[57:55] Thank you.

[57:56] And then I have Jessica Danford.

[58:00] Hi it's my first time.

[58:02] So, hi, I'm Victoria partridge.

[58:04] I'm the founder and executive director

[58:06] of the street cats club, and I'm here because Emporia

[58:09] has a stray cat crisis.

[58:11] And despite the incredible work being

[58:12] done throughout our community, the resources

[58:15] currently available are not keeping pace with the need.

[58:18] In May alone, the street cats club

[58:19] received more than 149 requests for assistance

[58:22] through phone calls, text messages,

[58:24] Facebook messages and emails.

[58:25] We added 191 cats to our waiting list in a single month.

[58:29] Today, there are more than 1040 cats waiting for spay neuter

[58:33] services in Lyon County.

[58:34] Of those, 625 are located right here in Emporia.

[58:38] These are not numbers on a spreadsheet.

[58:40] These are cats living behind businesses and apartment

[58:42] complexes and neighborhoods and around our cities,

[58:44] parks and commercial areas.

[58:46] They are producing litter after litter of kittens,

[58:48] spreading disease, creating nuisance concerns for residents

[58:51] and overwhelming the limited resources

[58:53] available to help them.

[58:54] The street cats club is working to address

[58:56] this value this issue.

[58:57] In May, we spayed and neutered 106 cats.

[59:01] This year, we have already spayed and neutered 543 cats,

[59:03] and we are on track to reach 1,000 cats by the end of 2026.

[59:08] Most organizations would celebrate.

[59:09] Numbers like these.

[59:11] But while we fixed 106 cats in May,

[59:13] 191 more cats were added to our waiting list.

[59:16] We are working harder than ever before,

[59:18] yet the demand continues to outpace our capacity.

[59:21] The reality is that we cannot solve

[59:22] a problem of this magnitude without additional resources.

[59:25] We received no city funding.

[59:26] We have no paid staff.

[59:28] We borrow a van every week to transport

[59:29] cats to spay neuter surgeries.

[59:31] We use a shed to house cats waiting for surgeries.

[59:33] If we want fewer cats in our streets, fewer

[59:35] nuisance complaints, healthier neighborhoods and reduced

[59:38] pressure on local animal welfare resources,

[59:41] we must continue expanding the community's capacity to provide

[59:43] spay neuter services.

[59:45] The street cats club remains committed

[59:46] to being part of that solution, and we ask the city of Emporia

[59:49] to partner with us to address one

[59:50] of the most significant animal welfare challenges

[59:52] facing Emporia today.

[59:54] Thank you.

[59:55] Thanks all.

[1:00:00] Jessica Danford on ready to go.

[1:00:03] No and.

[1:00:04] Lou Clara.

[1:00:05] Jean Jacques.

[1:00:06]

[1:00:09] My name is Jessica Danford.

[1:00:10] I'm from 3532 West 20th Avenue.

[1:00:14] I'm here today to speak, as many others have had,

[1:00:17] about the proposed data center and digital infrastructure that

[1:00:21] the commission has announced.

[1:00:23] I would like to start by saying, as has been evidenced

[1:00:25] by the amount of people who have come in today,

[1:00:27] this is not a political issue.

[1:00:29] This is a quality of life issue for our community.

[1:00:32] Data centers are growing faster than regulation can keep up

[1:00:35] with, and have led to negative social, economic, and ecological

[1:00:39] consequences in our community.

[1:00:42] If we do not stop, this project will contribute to these issues.

[1:00:48] Examples of known consequences of data centers

[1:00:50] include the following.

[1:00:52] There's been an increased production of known air

[1:00:54] pollutants, such as methane and hydrogen oxide,

[1:00:59] that can balloon into super pollutants if not controlled

[1:01:03] further, there is insane electricity usage with

[1:01:06] infrastructure like with an estimated use of over 5300mw

[1:01:11] of electricity across the country from data centers,

[1:01:14] which is in 2023, which is more than many countries.

[1:01:18] This amount has only increased over time.

[1:01:20] And the US Department of Energy has said that the data centers

[1:01:24] alone will consume a total of 12% of the country's

[1:01:28] total electricity by 2028.

[1:01:32] Data centers also cost a huge amount to local communities,

[1:01:35] with electricity costs increasing

[1:01:37] by over 33% since 2020, with more than 70%

[1:01:41] of the increase impacting towns within 50 miles of data centers.

[1:01:46] They also exacerbate water strain issues in communities

[1:01:49] and create new ones in areas without proper regulations,

[1:01:53] causing permanent damage to local water sources

[1:01:55] if left unchecked.

[1:01:57] Over $20 billion gallons of water

[1:02:00] were used by data centers in 2023,

[1:02:02] and the amount has only increased from there.

[1:02:07] There's more I want to add, but there's only a limited amount

[1:02:09] of time, so I would like to again present this information

[1:02:13] in support of the Moratorium and transparency of information

[1:02:16] with the community before any further steps

[1:02:18] are taken on this project.

[1:02:20] Thank you.

[1:02:21] Yes we have looks.

[1:02:31] Sorry and then Helen Lacey on deck.

[1:02:36] Hi, I'm Alex.

[1:02:37] Claire is 35, 32 West 20th Avenue.

[1:02:39] You just heard from my lovely wife.

[1:02:41] She did a lot more researching than I did because as a teacher,

[1:02:45] too busy to really be able to spend some time on this.

[1:02:49] But I want to let you guys know that I moved

[1:02:51] here with my family in 1993.

[1:02:53] My dad took a job at Wolf Creek, and if history serves,

[1:02:57] if I remember correctly, we didn't

[1:02:58] want Wolf Creek here for you because of all

[1:03:00] these fears of nuclear power.

[1:03:03] Now, that is ridiculously overblown in my opinion,

[1:03:06] because we have a really well regulated nuclear program here

[1:03:10] in America.

[1:03:11] When Fukushima happened in 2011, Wolf Creek immediately

[1:03:15] bought more backup generators, including extra parts,

[1:03:18] to build a whole new backup generator

[1:03:20] so that we wouldn't go under meltdown,

[1:03:22] just like Fukushima did in 2011.

[1:03:25] And these data centers are not regulated

[1:03:27] to that extreme of an extent, and that is a big problem.

[1:03:32] We pride ourselves on our water.

[1:03:35] I see clips on internet now that a lot

[1:03:38] of these cities that have data centers, their water,

[1:03:41] are getting polluted.

[1:03:42] The Brown water is coming out of their spigots.

[1:03:44] It's just like Flint, Michigan all over again.

[1:03:46] But now more widespread.

[1:03:48] We're not going to have the best tasting water in the world.

[1:03:50] It's like the best tasting in the country.

[1:03:53] If we had these kind of data centers,

[1:03:56] someone earlier said that we're talking

[1:03:58] about gigawatt levels of energy consumption,

[1:04:01] basic supply and demand.

[1:04:02] Economics would tell us that with more demand,

[1:04:04] the prices go up.

[1:04:06] Energy is already jacking up our prices.

[1:04:08] This is only going to exacerbate the issue.

[1:04:10] And since we're talking about gigawatt levels

[1:04:13] in March of this year, Wolf Creek only generated not

[1:04:17] even one gigawatt.

[1:04:18] Now your homes, whenever you send you your bill,

[1:04:21] they talk in terms of kilowatt hours.

[1:04:23] I don't know if you know your units very well.

[1:04:25] I'm a physics teacher, so I do kilowatt hours.

[1:04:29] That's basic household stuff.

[1:04:31] Power plants push out megawatts.

[1:04:32] We're talking about gigawatts.

[1:04:34] We're talking about million kilowatt hours here.

[1:04:37] So this is a huge increase in energy

[1:04:39] production or sorry, training.

[1:04:41] Thank you for your time.

[1:04:42] All right, I have.

[1:04:51]

[1:04:58] Helen Helen.

[1:04:59] Helen it's OK.

[1:05:01] I'm sorry.

[1:05:03] Yeah OK.

[1:05:05] Good morning.

[1:05:06] I would say it's an honor to be here.

[1:05:08] It's an honor to speak in front of you

[1:05:09] on behalf of the community.

[1:05:11] But given the circumstances, I am slightly ashamed.

[1:05:15] I live at 1622 Center Street.

[1:05:17] I think I said that already.

[1:05:19] I've lived in Emporia for about three years.

[1:05:21] I genuinely do love this city.

[1:05:23] I have found myself.

[1:05:25] I've met so many incredible people.

[1:05:27] I've learned so much about everything.

[1:05:29]

[1:05:32] Even if we are to ignore the proven environmental impacts

[1:05:35] of an AI data center that we've already

[1:05:37] heard so much about the water, it will consume the animals it

[1:05:39] will kill, the heat it will bring to a summer

[1:05:41] that I've already seen bring some of the strongest people

[1:05:44] I've ever known to their knees.

[1:05:45] I cannot think of a single person

[1:05:47] in Emporia that would benefit from the construction

[1:05:49] of a datacenter.

[1:05:50] Certainly not myself or my countless friends

[1:05:52] who are artists whose lifelong passions are most readily

[1:05:55] consumed and devalued by the AI'S, powered by data centers,

[1:05:58] not the children that play in the park below my apartment.

[1:06:00] Who will have to grow up in a world where the incredible power

[1:06:02] of their mind is deferred to a computer,

[1:06:04] and the objective truth is a myth,

[1:06:06] and not the local business owners who

[1:06:07] are already fighting a losing battle

[1:06:09] against large corporations.

[1:06:11] The data center provides nothing for the people of Emporia,

[1:06:14] and we are all here today to let you know

[1:06:15] that we will not stand to be sold out

[1:06:17] for the profit of a select few.

[1:06:19] Please hear us and please do not do this to us.

[1:06:22] Thank you.

[1:06:31] If you cannot control yourself, we'll have to remove you.

[1:06:34] So please try to be respectful to everyone.

[1:06:37] More than two minutes.

[1:06:38] There will be a public hearing on the 23rd.

[1:06:43] It's in this Civic Auditorium at o'clock.

[1:06:46] So this is another chance to speak.

[1:06:49] All right.

[1:06:49] Is there anybody else that didn't get to sign up.

[1:06:52] They just wants to talk.

[1:06:55] What are you going to do.

[1:06:56] The annexation.

[1:06:58] We're annexing land today by the request of property owners,

[1:07:02] because that's who requests.

[1:07:03] OK, so your manager said it was by request of the developer.

[1:07:11] Well, we will have that discussion.

[1:07:13] You're saying the property owners.

[1:07:16] I may have misspoke.

[1:07:17] I'll have to ask Justin to come out in our business

[1:07:21] section coming up here shortly.

[1:07:23] Yeah Name and address.

[1:07:25] Brenda Thompson, 1442 road, 130.

[1:07:29] First of all, I want to say I don't believe any of you

[1:07:32] are going to really listen to this stuff.

[1:07:34] We know it's environmental.

[1:07:36] We know all those things.

[1:07:37] But it's obvious that you've been working on this for a while

[1:07:40] before you just dropped the bomb on us.

[1:07:43] And these people here, and a lot of people don't trust you.

[1:07:46] That's right.

[1:07:47] A lot of people.

[1:07:49] So what I want to and these are rhetorical questions.

[1:07:53] Do you know anything about this Kwanzaa.

[1:07:55] Whatever this the developer.

[1:07:58] Because I do their first LLC, I believe their LLC

[1:08:05] was in Cedar Point, Kansas.

[1:08:07] Then they requested to move it to Lawrence.

[1:08:11] And coincidentally, the news I'm shooting from the hip here.

[1:08:16] This is not prepared.

[1:08:18] The is it Nordstrom family.

[1:08:22] The guy that's the representative for

[1:08:24] this organization Nordstrom.

[1:08:27] Garrett Nordstrom.

[1:08:28] Thank you.

[1:08:29] Also has a business where he does

[1:08:32] community block grants for hire and consulting.

[1:08:36] Have you done any work with that.

[1:08:37] Have they.

[1:08:38] I want to know have they offered you any of their services

[1:08:42] and what is the mega companies at Google.

[1:08:46] Is it Meta.

[1:08:48] Is it Grok.

[1:08:50] Who's behind this.

[1:08:52] Who's behind this.

[1:08:53] Because none of us are buying this.

[1:08:55] Cans of whatever they are.

[1:08:57] None of us.

[1:08:58] So are you going to disclose who the big giant behind this is.

[1:09:03] Eventually are you going to do it up front.

[1:09:06] Thank you.

[1:09:07] Thank you very much.

[1:09:09]

[1:09:13] All right.

[1:09:14] Anybody else.

[1:09:15]

[1:09:19] Can I come up.

[1:09:20]

[1:09:23] Good morning.

[1:09:24] My name is McKenna Phillips.

[1:09:25] My friends know me as I live on 101006 Constitution.

[1:09:32] I've learned a lot from a lot of the people in the room here.

[1:09:34] And I've seen you guys as community members as well.

[1:09:36] I work at gravel, so we see a lot of people,

[1:09:40] and what I've learned from this.

[1:09:42] And watching your faces the whole time

[1:09:44] is you're scheming for eight months on,

[1:09:47] this is what I'm getting at.

[1:09:49] And then you call this knitting that we can't even

[1:09:52] ask you questions or do any of that nonsense,

[1:09:55] and everyone's already really upset, and I can see it like,

[1:09:58] this guy is over, like, slouched in the corner

[1:10:00] and I can't even look up.

[1:10:02] Yeah all right, let's be respectful.

[1:10:04] You're asking us to be respectful

[1:10:06] while you are stomping on our necks

[1:10:09] with this stupid data center.

[1:10:10] We know it's bad.

[1:10:12] We've seen towns that have done this.

[1:10:14] I'm asking on a moral sense as a human,

[1:10:16] if it's really worth it for you to invest all

[1:10:18] of this time money talking to these people that

[1:10:21] don't give a shit about us.

[1:10:23] Like, what do you expect us to do when

[1:10:26] you push everybody this far.

[1:10:28] Good question.

[1:10:28] I don't want to.

[1:10:30] You want to live in a world where your hospital, you

[1:10:32] got to go to the hospital and you're outside

[1:10:36] and your electricity bill is through the roof.

[1:10:39] I can hardly pay my electric bill as it is.

[1:10:41] And I live in a shoebox.

[1:10:44] You're asking all of these working people

[1:10:46] to pay more for the selflessness and betterment

[1:10:49] of people we don't even know.

[1:10:51] I just I don't understand is what I'm saying.

[1:10:55] I don't understand, and I think everybody's going

[1:10:57] to be pretty mad about this.

[1:11:00] So I guess I'm just asking you to be

[1:11:02] a little bit ashamed of yourself over this, because it's a shame.

[1:11:06] Yeah shame out of here.

[1:11:08] Thank you.

[1:11:09] Thank you.

[1:11:10] Thank you.

[1:11:11] Thank you.

[1:11:14]

[1:11:19] My name is Caroline Conway.

[1:11:21] I live at 911 Weber street.

[1:11:22] I've lived here since 2010.

[1:11:24] Before that, I lived here to go to college.

[1:11:26] And then I moved away and came back.

[1:11:27] I love this community.

[1:11:29] This is my community.

[1:11:30] I am currently the executive director

[1:11:33] of Blumhouse youth services, the youth shelter in town.

[1:11:38] Doing something like this that will

[1:11:40] not benefit the community that will

[1:11:42] take away from the community.

[1:11:44] It will use our resources.

[1:11:46] A data center of this magnitude can replace a town of 30,000.

[1:11:50] In terms of water usage and electricity usage,

[1:11:53] that's double the size of Emporia.

[1:11:55] So where is that going to come from.

[1:11:57] Because we still exist here.

[1:11:59] And the prairie that we are around the Tallgrass prairie,

[1:12:03] we only have 4% of it left.

[1:12:06] So how is this going to impact the Tallgrass prairie.

[1:12:10] This is the only place it is.

[1:12:12] So when it's gone, it's gone.

[1:12:14] So it is really important that before we push through this

[1:12:17] in the hopes of lining a couple people's pockets

[1:12:19] or however this is coming through

[1:12:21] because it is not benefiting us before this gets pushed through.

[1:12:25] We really, really need to do some studies.

[1:12:28] I support the moratorium.

[1:12:30] I believe the five year moratorium would

[1:12:32] be great to make sure that this bubble doesn't

[1:12:33] burst while we're inside it.

[1:12:35] Please, please, please listen to the people.

[1:12:38] None of us want this.

[1:12:39] None of us.

[1:12:40] Thank you for coming over here.

[1:12:50] Maybe she's being voluntold to come up.

[1:12:55] Thank you.

[1:12:56]

[1:12:59] Hello my name is Rosalie Krieger.

[1:13:01] I'm at 5' State Street.

[1:13:02] I appreciate you guys extending this time.

[1:13:06] Before I begin with the rest of my comments,

[1:13:07] I will say that I'm unequivocally

[1:13:08] against this digital campus, which I'm going to refer

[1:13:11] to as a data center, because that is the term

[1:13:12] most people are familiar with.

[1:13:13] And I feel that trying to change the terminology

[1:13:15] to cloud and confuse people's perception is unethical at best.

[1:13:19] I have several concerns.

[1:13:21] The first is the speed of which we are moving forward on.

[1:13:23] This implies that either you thought everybody would be

[1:13:25] on board with this, which suggests that you're not very

[1:13:28] in touch with the people of this town,

[1:13:29] or you do not care what we're going to say,

[1:13:31] and you're going to move forward regardless.

[1:13:33] I would also just like to ask a few questions, most of which

[1:13:36] have already been asked, next.

[1:13:37] Who is this LLC that has been open for seven months

[1:13:39] and has already moved from Lawrence to a little ghost town

[1:13:42] West of here and is registered to someone

[1:13:44] named Daniel Garrett Nordstrom.

[1:13:45] A cursory search online only brings up one person in Lawrence

[1:13:48] with that name, Daniel Garrett Nordstrom,

[1:13:50] who works at a firm called gas government assistance service,

[1:13:53] which supposedly specializes in helping small town governments

[1:13:56] find money and funding.

[1:13:57] I would ask if this is the same person, has Emporia engaged

[1:14:01] the services of his company before.

[1:14:03] And is this how that relationship started.

[1:14:05] I would also ask why one of the only other businesses that

[1:14:07] is registered to his name in Max brothers development

[1:14:10] is registered to an address here in Emporia

[1:14:12] and address, as far as I'm aware, he does not live at.

[1:14:15] I'm also not sure if anybody else in here

[1:14:17] has dealt with filing an LLC before,

[1:14:19] but there are people who can basically act as the filing

[1:14:20] person and the contact person for you to help keep

[1:14:22] your information private, and they

[1:14:24] aren't necessarily affiliated with the organization.

[1:14:26] But that begs the further question

[1:14:28] if they are using a signature or register,

[1:14:30] who really owns the company.

[1:14:32] And are we really going to trust that any regulations we try

[1:14:34] to put in force, forth, whether it's power consumption, water

[1:14:37] consumption, et cetera, are going

[1:14:38] to hold against a limited liability company.

[1:14:41] Not even an S corp or a C corp limited liability

[1:14:44] is in their name.

[1:14:46] Additionally, we don't have the infrastructure

[1:14:49] to support our town now with crumbling 100 plus

[1:14:52] year old storm drains that collapse

[1:14:53] under the weight of our own police vehicles

[1:14:55] on our own Main Street.

[1:14:56] Finally, I ask for a moratorium on the data center,

[1:14:59] an independent ecological and economic impact study,

[1:15:03] and a public vote on the measure.

[1:15:04] Thank you.

[1:15:05] Thank you.

[1:15:05]

[1:15:14] Hello you're up next.

[1:15:17] Hi, guys.

[1:15:18] I'm Sarah Brian.

[1:15:19] I live at 1850 road S And I was born and raised in Emporia.

[1:15:24] I love this town, and I'd just like

[1:15:26] to state that I am completely against this data center.

[1:15:30] And I'd like to know if the five of you

[1:15:32] are public servants or corporate cronies.

[1:15:36] Sorry, I'm a little nervous.

[1:15:38] If you vote through the annexation of this land,

[1:15:40] we can only assume you will vote yes for this data center.

[1:15:44] This issue needs to be put to a public vote,

[1:15:47] so that the 0.00045% of the town standing in front of me

[1:15:53] does not speak for the 99.99945% of this town.

[1:15:59] For that to happen, we need to sign a petition.

[1:16:02] 20% of this town so we can put this to a public vote.

[1:16:06] Thank you.

[1:16:07] Yes thank you.

[1:16:08] Thank you.

[1:16:08]

[1:16:15] Hello my name is Christy Deckert.

[1:16:17] I grew up in this community, and I

[1:16:21] was very excited about eight years ago

[1:16:24] to move back and buy a gorgeous property on road F5.

[1:16:28] Now, if you have been looking at the maps,

[1:16:32] you'll see that gorgeous property

[1:16:34] is now encircled by a plan to have a data center on it.

[1:16:39] Very exciting, I'm sure.

[1:16:41] I want to echo everybody's concerns

[1:16:44] about the environmental impacts, the physical impacts

[1:16:48] on our public health.

[1:16:50] The impacts on our infrastructure,

[1:16:53] the potential costs in utilities.

[1:16:56] And I want to add my voice to the call for a public vote,

[1:17:02] but not just those who can vote in city elections.

[1:17:08] Because guess what.

[1:17:09] It is those of us in Lyon County jurisdiction

[1:17:13] that are going to be surrounded by this monstrosity.

[1:17:16] Thank you.

[1:17:17] That's right.

[1:17:18] Thank you.

[1:17:19]

[1:17:26] All right.

[1:17:27] Is there anyone else.

[1:17:30] Good morning, Sir.

[1:17:32] Let me do one.

[1:17:33] Oh no thanks.

[1:17:34] You can get that.

[1:17:36] My name is Tracy Graham, and I'm a former resident of Emporia,

[1:17:40] currently living in Chase County.

[1:17:43] I moved to Emporia in 1999.

[1:17:47] First year was pretty rough, but then we learned to love

[1:17:50] it really quickly after that.

[1:17:52] Lived here for 26 years and now we live in Chase County.

[1:17:57] And it's probable that if this data center were to go forward,

[1:18:05] it probably would not impact me directly because I have

[1:18:11] solar panels and I have my own.

[1:18:13] Well, and so I don't need to worry

[1:18:15] about the energy and water anybody else

[1:18:17] needs to worry about.

[1:18:18] If you live here, but I do shop here,

[1:18:22] and I dine here on a very regular basis.

[1:18:26] And if the local businesses here are impacted by increased

[1:18:32] energy costs and water drought.

[1:18:38] I mean, we had drought when we were asked to conserve water

[1:18:43] in a rationed water a few several years ago,

[1:18:47] and that will happen again.

[1:18:48] It's part of the natural cycle.

[1:18:51] And when you have drought, who's going to suffer most.

[1:19:01] So it doesn't impact me much, but it really matters.

[1:19:07] And that land right now that you're

[1:19:09] talking about annexing today is currently performing

[1:19:16] a function economically.

[1:19:18] Ecologically there's water that isn't being dumped

[1:19:22] into the rivers immediately.

[1:19:24] And if you pave that and put buildings on it.

[1:19:26] You're going to have increased runoff.

[1:19:28] You could wind up with the irony of flooding during drought.

[1:19:34] Too much water in one place while you're using up the water

[1:19:38] to cool some of these, I grew.

[1:19:42]

[1:19:49] The more I live in.

[1:19:50] 11:09 Luther street.

[1:19:52] Y'all have taken a beating here today.

[1:19:54]

[1:19:59] I understand that you all are in a very difficult situation.

[1:20:04] Companies are closing.

[1:20:06] The economy is down and you guys are under the gun

[1:20:10] to fix this, fix the economy and Emporia

[1:20:13] because people are scared, people are upset

[1:20:16] and you are under the gun to find a solution.

[1:20:19] I get that.

[1:20:21] But somebody once told me that's the reason

[1:20:27] the temptation is tempting is because it looks

[1:20:31] like a good idea at the time.

[1:20:35] Consider the possibility that this data

[1:20:39] center is a temptation.

[1:20:43] Maybe it looks like a good idea for now,

[1:20:49] but maybe once you've reconsidered.

[1:20:53] Maybe you'll discover that it just looked like a good idea

[1:20:59] at the time.

[1:21:00] And what.

[1:21:02] It's OK to say what.

[1:21:06] We thought that looked like a good idea,

[1:21:09] but that was just a temptation.

[1:21:12] We realize now that was not the right thing to do.

[1:21:17] And if you make that decision, if you come out

[1:21:20] with that statement that says what, Emporia citizens,

[1:21:25] you were right.

[1:21:26] We were tempted, but we were mistaken.

[1:21:30] If you have the courage to do that

[1:21:33] will not be a sign of weakness.

[1:21:35] That will be a sign of strength, and you will have regained

[1:21:38] the respect of this community.

[1:21:41]

[1:21:47] Thank you.

[1:21:48]

[1:21:50] Boy one if you would permit me another minute,

[1:21:54] and we have to permit everybody a minute.

[1:21:56] One more minute.

[1:21:57] No, but everybody would have to have an additional minute.

[1:22:00] Oh, I give you a minute.

[1:22:02] We'll let her be the only one.

[1:22:03] We'll let her be the only one.

[1:22:04] We can't.

[1:22:04] We can't do that.

[1:22:05] We get into.

[1:22:06] Oh, of course, you can.

[1:22:08] Expand your meeting time.

[1:22:09] Expand your meeting time.

[1:22:10] Two minutes is a shame.

[1:22:12] Yep sure is.

[1:22:13] Come on in.

[1:22:15] Hi, I'm Max Coldiron.

[1:22:17] I live at 1102 East street.

[1:22:19] I'm going to shake and my voice is

[1:22:21] going to warble the whole time because I'm terrified.

[1:22:24] Talk to us.

[1:22:24] You're right.

[1:22:26] I've lived here for seven years.

[1:22:28] I came to get a degree, and I have in biology,

[1:22:34] and I ask that before you move forward on anything like this,

[1:22:38] you take a second to go for a walk

[1:22:42] and just appreciate this beautiful land

[1:22:45] that we have here.

[1:22:47] I grew up in Wichita, and most of my natural exposure

[1:22:51] was a couple acres plot called Great Plains nature center.

[1:22:55] And over the course of my education,

[1:22:57] I have been taken to so many just

[1:22:59] expansive, beautiful pieces of land

[1:23:02] directly surrounding the city or even inside of it.

[1:23:08] And I hate the idea that we would lose that.

[1:23:13] Yeah Thank you.

[1:23:16] And also, please do look up the Neosho madtom.

[1:23:19] It's adorable.

[1:23:19]

[1:23:28] This is just a regular scheduled meeting, so we

[1:23:30] have a long other agenda to go.

[1:23:32] But I want to give everybody a chance.

[1:23:34] Going once, twice.

[1:23:37] Monthly statement for a moratorium.

[1:23:40] We will move on to our regular business.

[1:23:43] New business.

[1:23:43] Appoint member to the human relations commission.

[1:23:46]

[1:23:50] So Tammy and I. And it had been recommended for us

[1:23:55] with staff's recommendation.

[1:23:57] And so we will approve the appointment of Angela Acosta

[1:24:00] to motion to approve the appointment

[1:24:03] of Angela Acosta cruise to the human relations commission.

[1:24:07] Second, it's been moved and seconded to approve her.

[1:24:11] Is there any other discussion.

[1:24:13] All in favor, say Aye.

[1:24:14] Aye Motion passes.

[1:24:16] Now we award the bid for the airport 24 hour refueling

[1:24:19] equipment, installation, and that line of finding

[1:24:25] somewhere back there.

[1:24:28] Brian silcock.

[1:24:29] Hold on.

[1:24:30]

[1:24:40] Is Julian here.

[1:24:42] Grab Julian to Brandon, please.

[1:24:45] Yeah there's plenty of room for anybody out there.

[1:24:47]

[1:24:51] We're out there.

[1:24:54] We have staff.

[1:24:55] Keep talking.

[1:24:56] Oh, OK.

[1:24:58] Can you guys give us a minute.

[1:25:01] Yeah OK.

[1:25:02] Yeah just a 30 second delay.

[1:25:06] Is Julian.

[1:25:09] Two .51 seconds.

[1:25:14] Not Juliette.

[1:25:18] Come on up and tell us what you're doing.

[1:25:20] Yeah, you probably know more than one.

[1:25:22] Got drink and everything.

[1:25:23] Yeah here I am.

[1:25:24] Come at me.

[1:25:26] Did you guys appoint members.

[1:25:28] No OK.

[1:25:30] Sorry go for it.

[1:25:31] Tell us what it's about.

[1:25:33] So, what I need you to do today is to award a grant

[1:25:37] for the 24 hour services.

[1:25:40] So what it is it's all the equipment we need.

[1:25:44] The new tanks, the new dispensers,

[1:25:46] the piping, electrical, all that is in this bid.

[1:25:52] And our stuff that's out there now

[1:25:54] looks like it was before I was born.

[1:25:55] It's all 30 years old.

[1:25:57] OK no longer apparent.

[1:26:00] I can't get parts for it.

[1:26:02] I mean, I'm an old guy.

[1:26:04] We've been holding this thing together.

[1:26:06] It was going to be the city paying for it.

[1:26:08] But we did get the dot to give us a grant

[1:26:11] to take care of this problem.

[1:26:12] They gave us 280.

[1:26:14] Some estimation was 260.

[1:26:16] All you're doing today is the equipment and stuff.

[1:26:21] I'll be back next meeting for the concrete bid for you

[1:26:25] to approve it.

[1:26:26] All right.

[1:26:26] Thank you.

[1:26:27] I would like to make a motion to authorize the city manager

[1:26:29] to enter into a purchase agreement

[1:26:31] for the installation of a dual fuel, ground aviation

[1:26:35] fueling system capable of supporting unattended 24 hour

[1:26:38] aircraft fuel fueling operations,

[1:26:41] including dedicated things for storage,

[1:26:44] aviation dispensing equipment, fuel quality controls.

[1:26:47] Automated transaction capability associated equipment

[1:26:49] necessary to support relocation for the airport fuel point.

[1:26:53] Does that sound like it covers it all that covers it second.

[1:26:57] Motion and second to award the 24 hour

[1:26:59] refueling equipment installation with the grant.

[1:27:02] Any other discussion.

[1:27:05] Do we need to add a little bit that's on this team.

[1:27:08] I might know the equipment.

[1:27:10] Oh we're just authorizing trade to do that,

[1:27:14] to enter into an agreement.

[1:27:16] Do you want me to say little bit.

[1:27:18] Is that what you're saying.

[1:27:19] For the little bit.

[1:27:21] Sure Are you guys recommending.

[1:27:23] I would recommend you not use the low bid recommend.

[1:27:26] There's a couple of reasons why the bid from linings.

[1:27:29] Yeah, they were wanting the middle.

[1:27:32] Yeah we would like to recommend homedale.

[1:27:34] Homedale had more of your cost quantified in the bid.

[1:27:37] And the other one was additional cost.

[1:27:40] So I'm amending my motion to approve to do that work for you.

[1:27:45] Second yeah.

[1:27:47] Second second.

[1:27:48] Still good Yes All right.

[1:27:50] Any other discussion.

[1:27:51] Good catch.

[1:27:51] Curt all in favor, say Aye.

[1:27:54] Aye Motion carries.

[1:27:57] All right.

[1:27:57] Thank you.

[1:27:58] Brian, don't go anywhere.

[1:28:00] That's right.

[1:28:01] Solid waste.

[1:28:02] It's always good to talk about.

[1:28:03] Thank you.

[1:28:03] And I appreciate Tina weeks who's here

[1:28:07] as our solid waste manager.

[1:28:10] And she has spent an illustrious career at the transfer station

[1:28:16] and was promoted.

[1:28:18] She's the woman right there.

[1:28:20] She knows where we're at.

[1:28:22] Yes Well, what we have before you today,

[1:28:25] we've discussed several times in study sessions,

[1:28:28] and we are presenting a solid waste

[1:28:32] master plan for the utility.

[1:28:34] But it's more than just a master plan

[1:28:36] and incorporate the cost of service rate analysis,

[1:28:40] the operational assessment on whether for both route

[1:28:45] efficiency, the customer class type, container types,

[1:28:51] the full detail, as well as a capital improvement program, how

[1:28:54] to fund said capital improvement program, and then

[1:28:58] also to look at our procurement and business strategy,

[1:29:02] for lack of a better word, to make sure that we're following

[1:29:07] a process and structure that ensures that we're

[1:29:09] being efficient and maximizing our return

[1:29:13] on the public dollars.

[1:29:14] So we presented this for bid previously in March.

[1:29:21] And as you are aware, we have had

[1:29:25] burns and Mac assessing several of our utility operations.

[1:29:30] They have a history, a long history

[1:29:34] of such things for sanitation.

[1:29:36] One of the benefits and why we feel they were the strongest

[1:29:40] of the two submittals, was not only are we looking at how

[1:29:45] should we be doing things and are we doing things,

[1:29:47] and how do we compare and benchmark

[1:29:49] but also, as consumers.

[1:29:57] There is a cost entailed to everything.

[1:30:00] And as a municipal service provider

[1:30:03] of water, sewer, and stormwater the solid waste, sanitation.

[1:30:10] We run things essentially as a nonprofit.

[1:30:14] And so that requires that we do maximize the public dollars

[1:30:18] and are as efficient and effective as possible.

[1:30:20] So with that being said, the aggregate burden,

[1:30:26] in other words, if we're looking at all of these improvements,

[1:30:29] many of which are necessitated by regulations

[1:30:32] and minimizing the potential for a single point of failure,

[1:30:36] meaning if you're at the wastewater plant

[1:30:38] or you're at the water plant and this piece of equipment

[1:30:42] or this process goes down, you're

[1:30:45] without water for days or weeks until you're

[1:30:47] able to get that brought up online so that you

[1:30:50] have redundancies and whatnot.

[1:30:52] So one of the benefits of utilizing the same firm

[1:30:57] but different experts to assess this is they

[1:31:01] can not only give us that business benchmark

[1:31:04] but also then help us weigh the priorities on how we can try

[1:31:08] and balance all of this so that we are keeping in mind

[1:31:12] that aggregate burden that we're placing

[1:31:14] on ourselves and our neighbors.

[1:31:18] So with that, what this is 108,500.

[1:31:23] It's essentially a task order.

[1:31:25] And we're asking that you authorize the manager

[1:31:29] to execute that agreement and to declare this is actually

[1:31:33] what we talked about last week.

[1:31:34] So two weeks ago.

[1:31:36] So this is not just coming out of left field.

[1:31:39] I'd like to make a motion to authorize the execution of task

[1:31:42] order number 3 with Burns McDonnell engineering company,

[1:31:46] in the amount of $105,800 for the completion of the solid

[1:31:50] waste facility master plan to provide the city with

[1:31:53] a comprehensive plan initiative intended to evaluate operations,

[1:31:57] finances, rates, capital planning,

[1:32:00] workforce consolidations, automated opportunities

[1:32:04] and future proceeds.

[1:32:05] Procurement strategies in support of logdump

[1:32:08] utility sustainability.

[1:32:11] Second I have a motion and a second for the solid waste

[1:32:14] utility master plan task agreement.

[1:32:16] Any other comments.

[1:32:19] Seeing none.

[1:32:20] All in favor, say Aye.

[1:32:21] Aye Motion passes.

[1:32:23] Thank you.

[1:32:24] Thanks, guys Mr. Hubert.

[1:32:25] Close mayor Smith and commissioners, in your packet

[1:32:34] is the C clip KC clip geometric improvements project

[1:32:39] on Kansas 99 commercial street from soden's road

[1:32:42] to Kansas Avenue.

[1:32:44] So city engineering staff designed

[1:32:47] this project, this federal aid project

[1:32:48] over the last three years.

[1:32:49] And House and CDOT then is administering

[1:32:55] the bidding and construction engineering side of the project.

[1:33:01] On May 20th.

[1:33:02] Get outbid it.

[1:33:03] They had four bidders.

[1:33:05] Kilo construction is the low bidder.

[1:33:08] So we are asking the city staff or city staff's

[1:33:16] recommending that the commission approve awarding it to kilo

[1:33:22] construction and authorizing the mayor to sign cdot's authority

[1:33:25] to award the contract, which is our commitment

[1:33:27] of city funds to the project.

[1:33:29] When do they start.

[1:33:31] They have a two week window starting

[1:33:33] late June through July 6.

[1:33:37] I think the Monday after 4th of July.

[1:33:41] So I can answer any questions that you might have.

[1:33:43]

[1:33:46] It's been a long time coming.

[1:33:47] It has been.

[1:33:49] Yeah I'll make a motion to authorize the mayor

[1:33:52] to sign authority or contract commitment of city funds

[1:33:56] for CDOT, CG project number 568727401.

[1:34:04] Second second.

[1:34:06] Motion to award the KC project 056727401.

[1:34:13] And have the mayor to sign.

[1:34:15] Is there any other discussion to add.

[1:34:19] There we go.

[1:34:20] I'd like to make a point that they beat your estimate again.

[1:34:24] Yes they did.

[1:34:25] Are you just Messing with us now.

[1:34:27] Thank you.

[1:34:28] And before we start annexing, I'd like to.

[1:34:30] I had in my mind on our consent agenda

[1:34:32] is all voluntary coming into the city.

[1:34:34] Those are the people I was speaking

[1:34:35] to about when we were annexing.

[1:34:37] I understand that.

[1:34:41] Can you say what you just said again, so I understand.

[1:34:44] I'm sorry.

[1:34:44] When you were doing it.

[1:34:46] Yeah Justin.

[1:34:49] Justin speaks.

[1:34:50] Becky said hi.

[1:34:51] OK sorry, sorry.

[1:34:53] Thank you.

[1:34:53]

[1:34:57] I made a career out of speaking, Brian.

[1:35:00] Oh, for.

[1:35:01] For 15 years, I was able to translate Brian ease to city

[1:35:05] commissioners and other staff.

[1:35:07] People like that.

[1:35:08] So I get what you're saying.

[1:35:10] OK good afternoon.

[1:35:12] Now, Mayor and council, Justin Gibbons, Director of building

[1:35:15] and neighborhood development.

[1:35:17] Before you, we have several voluntary petitions

[1:35:21] and consents for annexation for property

[1:35:24] located outside the city.

[1:35:26] We were asked to provide an overview of some

[1:35:29] of the past annexations that we've done here recently,

[1:35:34] bringing in several tracks and then some additional tracks

[1:35:38] that really the first track that was annexed

[1:35:42] was industrial park for those are

[1:35:45] tracks 5, 6, and 7 on the map that

[1:35:48] was provided on the overview.

[1:35:51] Those were done in 2025, 2024, I believe.

[1:35:57] And then subsequent to that, just recently,

[1:36:01] track number 8 was annexed, as well as track number 9.

[1:36:06] Going forward we and then also.

[1:36:12] I think track 11 was.

[1:36:16] Previously annexed to but so going forward the request

[1:36:21] is basically to extend for track 10 and then go up North

[1:36:25] where track 1, 2, 3, and 4 are right now to annex

[1:36:31] into the city.

[1:36:34] Does that cover your question or concerns.

[1:36:40] So the owners of those properties.

[1:36:42] So yeah, so the owners gave the developer

[1:36:46] consent and their option to petition for annexation.

[1:36:51] So the owners the owner's agent is the owner's agent.

[1:36:55] Agent yes.

[1:36:56] Through the developer, they gave that consent to them.

[1:36:58] So basically, I think what the confusion is,

[1:37:00] and we can state it.

[1:37:01] And I'll let Trey give his Trey speech on it.

[1:37:05] If the project didn't go through what happens next.

[1:37:08] That would probably help everybody.

[1:37:10] Yeah so these are voluntary annexations.

[1:37:13] We have a voluntary annexation policy where if the project does

[1:37:16] not go through, they can request that the commission annex it,

[1:37:21] those portions.

[1:37:22] And that's what we're anticipating to happen

[1:37:23] if this doesn't happen.

[1:37:25] It stays rural ag land that these annexed.

[1:37:29] It does take an ordinance to do that.

[1:37:31] So we can't do it in advance.

[1:37:32] But that's part of that voluntary annexation policy.

[1:37:35] And also part of that is if it is currently touching city

[1:37:40] property, it can be annexed into the city with the owner's

[1:37:44] consent owner or agent through their consent, which is

[1:37:47] what they're doing right now.

[1:37:48] Yes so we're annexing land already

[1:37:51] story touches other parts of the city.

[1:37:54] So for growth of Emporia, at any point, this might be annexed.

[1:37:58] Yes correct.

[1:38:00] No, we're not requesting it.

[1:38:02] The owner.

[1:38:03] The owner through the agent.

[1:38:05] Yes I didn't catch when 11 was.

[1:38:09] What date was it.

[1:38:11] That 11 was two weeks ago.

[1:38:12] Two weeks ago.

[1:38:13] Two weeks ago.

[1:38:14] Yeah Two weeks ago at our previous meeting.

[1:38:20] All right.

[1:38:22] When we need to do each one separate, though.

[1:38:23] So that Terry can put it all in nice form.

[1:38:27] Each one is a separate ordinance.

[1:38:29] All right.

[1:38:30] So, real quick, let me just speak to this for one minute.

[1:38:34] This is.

[1:38:36] I haven't sat down and counted, but this

[1:38:38] is going to be an approximately a 20 step

[1:38:41] approval with multiple actions by the commission.

[1:38:45] Annexation today or zoning change

[1:38:48] does not initiate this project at all.

[1:38:51] So this is a start process, and I

[1:38:56] want to be clear, if this comes down to a deal that

[1:38:59] is not good for this community.

[1:39:00] I personally will not recommend this.

[1:39:03] The benefits in my mind it's not just a little bit

[1:39:06] they have to weigh out and there has

[1:39:08] to be benefits for everybody.

[1:39:10] And, I think what we've seen, at least in class a projects

[1:39:16] in other communities, there truly are benefits

[1:39:19] for the entire community.

[1:39:20] And that's what I'm looking for in this is something that

[1:39:23] benefits everybody, not just the select few,

[1:39:26] but has tangible benefits for all of Emporia,

[1:39:30] because we actually could ask for them and see what.

[1:39:33] And that is my and see if I have some non-negotiables.

[1:39:38] Folks are absolutely right.

[1:39:40] They don't need to pay for any of the water

[1:39:41] costs involved in that.

[1:39:43] This needs to be paid by the developer.

[1:39:45] Now I want to say we have excess capacity water

[1:39:49] and we lost our industries and we've lost our industries.

[1:39:51] And so they're basically it's a loss.

[1:39:53] And we don't have the other point that

[1:39:55] has came up several times in Emporia,

[1:39:57] we do not use groundwater.

[1:39:59] We use surface water that recharges

[1:40:01] naturally from the rain.

[1:40:02] We have about two years of it in storage

[1:40:04] right now at council Grove reservoir.

[1:40:08] So we can do some long term forecasting with that.

[1:40:12] We pay big bucks, we pay big bucks,

[1:40:13] and we doubled our water rights at council Grove two years ago.

[1:40:17] So people have mentioned 2011, 2012 when we did have shortage.

[1:40:23] That was before we doubled our rights.

[1:40:26] So we work closely with the state of Kansas

[1:40:28] to double our rights on what we have in council Grove reservoir.

[1:40:32] So this has all been thought of.

[1:40:36] Now, we've identified about 2.5 million gallons a day

[1:40:41] that we have in spare capacity anything beyond that

[1:40:45] very much do studies.

[1:40:48] And, we've had engineers engaged to this point.

[1:40:51] The other thing I want to cover real quick

[1:40:53] is why hasn't this been discussed sooner.

[1:40:57] Well, just about a month ago, the land auctions were all done.

[1:41:01] You can't discuss as if they can't get the land.

[1:41:05] The project doesn't happen and they just got the land done.

[1:41:09] So now they can start to move it forward

[1:41:11] to the public discussion.

[1:41:12] And this is going to be a long six month plus public discussion

[1:41:16] standpoint.

[1:41:17] The zoning is by far not the end of this.

[1:41:20] I have one more question.

[1:41:21] Sure this is not a city project.

[1:41:24] Correct Correct.

[1:41:25] And we have not been talking about this for eight months.

[1:41:28] I've only been on the commission for I mean, since it's not even

[1:41:32] 6 yet, the developer has developer has been talking

[1:41:36] to city staff about this for a while, talking to RDA folks,

[1:41:41] just like any prospective employer does.

[1:41:43] There's a lot of conversations that go on before anything

[1:41:46] comes to the surface.

[1:41:48] There's a lot of due diligence that everybody industries

[1:41:51] talked for years before.

[1:41:52] They actually and sometimes this is not unusual and not unusual.

[1:41:56] Lots of times you have two or three years where they're just

[1:41:59] looking their ducks in a row, and they're

[1:42:00] looking at multiple communities and can

[1:42:04] they even acquire the property.

[1:42:05] And that was one of the biggest questions

[1:42:07] with this was could they even acquire the property to do this.

[1:42:11] So I think people feel very emotional about it.

[1:42:13] So I'm trying not to take it personally,

[1:42:15] but it's not anything that.

[1:42:17] Yeah and the other thing I want to be clear is the points that

[1:42:21] were raised over and over again are points that we

[1:42:23] have carefully considered.

[1:42:25] They were not listening, but we have I mean,

[1:42:27] we have been listening, I have absorbed what has

[1:42:31] happened in other communities.

[1:42:32] I've seen more other communities have got this wrong.

[1:42:35] And I think we are trying to take steps to do this right.

[1:42:41] And to bring I want to hit on this point again.

[1:42:46] This project should bring tangible benefits

[1:42:49] to everybody in Emporia.

[1:42:52] This should drastically lower our property

[1:42:54] taxes if done right.

[1:42:57] This should keep us from having to take huge rate increases

[1:43:01] to do this water plant.

[1:43:02] If done right.

[1:43:04] So there are so many things that this potentially can

[1:43:07] help with if we do it right.

[1:43:09] If we do it wrong, folks are absolutely right.

[1:43:12] But if we do this right, and that is my goal in this,

[1:43:16] is to do this right in a manner that protects

[1:43:21] Emporia today, tomorrow.

[1:43:24] And people are writing 50 years from now.

[1:43:27] And we've asked you a lot of questions

[1:43:28] and you've given us a lot of positive good answers.

[1:43:30] And I have and staff has been in several meetings

[1:43:34] where I've had where I've been pretty forceful myself.

[1:43:38] This has not been one of these where I just.

[1:43:43] Oh, yeah.

[1:43:44] I pushed back on you hard.

[1:43:46] I would say I have been very.

[1:43:47] Would you agree that I'd push back hard on him.

[1:43:50] Hard but again, baby steps in our poor planning and zoning.

[1:43:53] They can listen to everybody because we want everybody

[1:43:55] to show up, but they are literally only

[1:43:57] looking at an overlay.

[1:43:59] And it's one of many, many, many steps.

[1:44:02] So the public will be informed of every step of the way

[1:44:04] because it has to be public.

[1:44:06] So questions you'll have to see what

[1:44:10] it was more than happy to come sit down with you.

[1:44:13] Sorry our policies.

[1:44:18] Any other before we get rolling.

[1:44:22] Are you ready.

[1:44:24] Can I do the first one.

[1:44:25] Sure I would like to make a motion that we approve ordinance

[1:44:29] number 2616, annexing lands located at 647 West highway

[1:44:34] 50 pursuant to KSA 12 520.

[1:44:41] Based on a request for voluntary annexation.

[1:44:48] Second, I've had a motion to approve ordinance 2616,

[1:44:53] and it's at 647 West 550.

[1:44:55] Any other discussion.

[1:44:57] Motion say Aye.

[1:44:59] Motion passes.

[1:45:00] What's the next one.

[1:45:03] Kurt no, I'm just asking if you would like to do the second one.

[1:45:08] Motion let's do it over here.

[1:45:12] OK I'd like to make a motion to pass ordinance number 26,

[1:45:18] annexing land located at 640 road 180 pursuant to KSA 12 520,

[1:45:26] as pursuant to Justin's request, not mine.

[1:45:33] The owner's request.

[1:45:34] Request second.

[1:45:36] I have a motion and a second for ordinance 26 and 641 80.

[1:45:40] Any other discussion.

[1:45:42] All in favor, say Aye.

[1:45:43] Aye anybody else want to do the next one.

[1:45:49] I'll do the next part.

[1:45:50] OK I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 26,

[1:45:54] annexing the lands located at 1,800

[1:45:56] row f pursuant to KSA 12 520.

[1:46:01] Is there a motion and a second for ordinance 26.

[1:46:06] Annexing lands at 1,800 road f.

[1:46:08] Any other discussion.

[1:46:11] All right.

[1:46:12] I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 26 19,

[1:46:17] annexing lands located at 1842 road

[1:46:20] f pursuant to KSA 12 5 22nd.

[1:46:24] I have a motion and second for ordinance 26

[1:46:26] annexing lands at 1842 road f.

[1:46:29] Any other discussion.

[1:46:30] All in favor, say Aye.

[1:46:32] Aye Motion passes.

[1:46:33] I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 26,

[1:46:37] annexing lands located at 600 road 190.

[1:46:40] Pursuant to KSA 12 520.

[1:46:44] Second Motion and second for ordinance 26.

[1:46:47] Annexing lands located at 600 road 190.

[1:46:51] Any other discussion.

[1:46:52] Just that they all still touch.

[1:46:54] They all still touch.

[1:46:55] City of Emporia.

[1:46:56] We're growing.

[1:46:57] We're annexing.

[1:46:58] Everybody wants us to grow.

[1:47:00] All in favor, say Aye.

[1:47:01] Aye Motion passes.

[1:47:03] Thank you.

[1:47:05] Thank you for speaking, Becky.

[1:47:08] Thank you.

[1:47:10] For interpreting.

[1:47:11] Interpreting thank you Yes All right,

[1:47:18] commissioners, I would draw your notice to a public notice

[1:47:21] that we put out last week, June 10.

[1:47:23] We do have a city commission launch

[1:47:25] with the friends of the zoo that is open to the public.

[1:47:28] So they show what are the greatest

[1:47:32] steps in the room with all the snakes and spiders and snakes.

[1:47:36] So that's next week.

[1:47:40] Then we have seven items on the consent agenda.

[1:47:43] Commission meeting minutes from last time.

[1:47:45] Three month extension with Emporia chamber

[1:47:47] of Commerce for visitor services.

[1:47:49] And then we have five voluntary annexation agreements.

[1:47:54] Annexation agreement number three.

[1:47:56] One would be a $1,368 annual refund.

[1:48:02] On number 2, it would be $714.

[1:48:05] On number 3, it would be $140 on number 4, it would be $1,751.

[1:48:13] And then the last one, I believe, is $334.

[1:48:18] That's what that on an annual basis with those annexation.

[1:48:20] Thank you.

[1:48:21] Make a motion to approve the agenda.

[1:48:23] Second, the motion seconded to approve the consent agenda.

[1:48:27] Any other discussion.

[1:48:29] All in favor, say Aye.

[1:48:30] Aye all right.

[1:48:32] And for informational items, we do like normal.

[1:48:38] But I do want to talk about we are going

[1:48:40] to be adopting or having you guys look at a large volume

[1:48:45] water user policy.

[1:48:47] These are really safeguards that staff

[1:48:48] thinks need to be in place.

[1:48:51] Not even just people coming in.

[1:48:53] Not people.

[1:48:53] Yes, we do want to make sure that we have a policy where you

[1:48:57] can't take as much water as just turn on your spigot

[1:49:00] if you're a large volume user.

[1:49:03] If it's going to impact our service delivery,

[1:49:05] we absolutely need to have that policy in place.

[1:49:08] And that's what we're going to put in front of you guys

[1:49:10] and making sure that they pay those costs.

[1:49:12] Well, and I commend city staff because a lot of our policies

[1:49:15] haven't been looked at to reach technology

[1:49:17] in the changing world.

[1:49:19] And the other point, several of the discussions I've had,

[1:49:23] and we'll talk more in detail, but we

[1:49:25] are going to ask a substantial portion of that

[1:49:27] be paid up front.

[1:49:29] So if they do leave your leave after five years,

[1:49:31] we're not left holding the bag.

[1:49:33] So all industries all have.

[1:49:35] Yes everything.

[1:49:36] Yes can do when you're going to have that.

[1:49:40] The draft wording.

[1:49:41] We'll get that out as soon as we'll

[1:49:43] get that out and get it posted.

[1:49:44] We may try to get it out maybe early next week

[1:49:46] and post it with the bio information if we can.

[1:49:50] Oh OK.

[1:49:51] Oh you're out of.

[1:49:52] So we'll get it done hopefully two weeks.

[1:49:55] We were looking at the next meeting for discussion.

[1:49:58] Yeah so we will try to get that draft out there.

[1:50:01] I mean, if you're gone we'll have

[1:50:02] it locked down by Friday, so.

[1:50:04] All right.

[1:50:06] Governing body comments I'm going to start.

[1:50:10] I think we proved today that people

[1:50:12] can make an o'clock AM meeting.

[1:50:14] Yes so that should be going.

[1:50:17] And I want to thank everybody who spoke.

[1:50:19] It takes a lot to stand up here.

[1:50:20] What's your name.

[1:50:21] Put your address down in.

[1:50:22] The five of us know you're live.

[1:50:25] My voice would have shaken more than four months.

[1:50:28] So I want to thank everybody that was brave enough to stand

[1:50:33] up here and speak their mind.

[1:50:34] And thank you to city staff and emergency services for unbound.

[1:50:39] Chief, can you give us a quick did it go OK.

[1:50:42] Kind of great little hiccups with the southbound.

[1:50:47] I heard that they took a little extra detour the first time.

[1:50:50] They say it's good for them.

[1:50:52] Throw them under the bus because they do a great job.

[1:50:54] But give them a little taste of this road

[1:50:56] before they hit the ground.

[1:50:57] Quick thinking.

[1:50:58] They had to do probably an extra mile and a half on that one.

[1:51:00] They can.

[1:51:01] They can handle it.

[1:51:02] Was that everybody.

[1:51:03] All of the first 358.

[1:51:09] So not going to bother them.

[1:51:11] Yeah so what.

[1:51:14] Half or 2/3 or a third of them didn't finish.

[1:51:17] Yeah Welcome to Kansas.

[1:51:19] Yeah Welcome to the mud.

[1:51:22] All right.

[1:51:23] Kurt, do you have anything.

[1:51:24] Yeah I'd like to thank everybody that came

[1:51:25] today and voiced your opinions.

[1:51:27] We do listen to you.

[1:51:29] A lot of the things that we've written down here,

[1:51:31] I know we've already visited about ourselves.

[1:51:34] We will be revisiting those things.

[1:51:36] We do appreciate what you bring to us, and we consider those.

[1:51:39] And we do.

[1:51:41] Thank you for being here Mr. Duncan.

[1:51:45] I'll echo that.

[1:51:46] Will share.

[1:51:47] I did take a lot of notes from everyone who spoke.

[1:51:51] It is important to listen to the citizens.

[1:51:53] And I hope if people continue to have concerns

[1:51:56] or even if they find answers or something like that,

[1:52:00] I hope people are willing to come and share that.

[1:52:02] At the planning commission meeting

[1:52:05] on June 23 at o'clock PM at Civic Auditorium

[1:52:09] auditorium upstairs.

[1:52:11] Upstairs And I will echo, I would love to see you

[1:52:13] all in two weeks at 11 o'clock.

[1:52:15] You're right.

[1:52:17] OK well, not to sound like a copycat, but yes,

[1:52:21] I do appreciate everyone coming and showing up today.

[1:52:24] It is.

[1:52:24] It is appreciated.

[1:52:26] I also want to say thank you to city staff and so many

[1:52:32] volunteers for the bike race.

[1:52:36] It takes a lot and it went very well, except for mother nature.

[1:52:42] I was wondering, does anyone know.

[1:52:45] Were there any injuries this year.

[1:52:49] We had a couple of elite riders, but they basically had a hole

[1:52:52] in their knee and gave it up.

[1:52:54] But they met each other in the ER.

[1:52:56] I know I'm acquainted with one of them,

[1:52:58] and so I don't think there were any major injuries.

[1:53:01] Fairly normal.

[1:53:02] Really normal actually.

[1:53:03] Blow count downtown.

[1:53:05] OK, good.

[1:53:06] Wash off the mud.

[1:53:07] You'll be fine.

[1:53:08] There are no lightning issues.

[1:53:10] No lightning strikes.

[1:53:12] Well, good, because there was a lot of lightning out there this.

[1:53:15]

[1:53:20] I really appreciate everyone's speaking today.

[1:53:26] We've had a lot of the same questions

[1:53:28] that you had along this process, and it is a process.

[1:53:32] So businesses do this all the time

[1:53:35] in cities throughout the nation and then it comes public.

[1:53:40] So this is part of the process.

[1:53:42] It became public on Tuesday.

[1:53:44] And people have the same questions that we have had.

[1:53:47] And we've gotten some of the answers.

[1:53:49] We have not gotten them all.

[1:53:51] We definitely need to get them all.

[1:53:53] And they all have to be rock solid for Victorians

[1:53:56] now and in the future before this project moves forward.

[1:54:00] We know that we look very forward to getting the answers

[1:54:04] and getting them to you, because I completely understand where

[1:54:07] each of you are coming from.

[1:54:09] You heard about it on Tuesday today is Wednesday.

[1:54:13] Whatever facts people have heard or opinions.

[1:54:17] We want to make sure that it's all rock solid before anything

[1:54:20] moves forward.

[1:54:21] And we look forward to meeting with you.

[1:54:25] All right.

[1:54:28] We're going to recess to the conference room 10 after.

[1:54:35] Oh, yes.

[1:54:38] That's about 25 minutes to 10 after.

[1:54:43] Can we do just people wait on us.

[1:54:46] We've got to make a motion to recess to the conference room

[1:54:49] for study session until 12:15.

[1:54:53] Thank you.

[1:54:54] One 5115 115.

[1:54:58] 115 any other discussion.

[1:55:01] All in favor, say I. I will.

[1:55:05]

[2:20:45] All right.

[2:20:46] We will bring the study session to order.

[2:20:51] Thank you for everybody in the audience who had to wait on us.

[2:20:55] OK finding my agenda.

[2:20:59] I'm so sorry.

[2:21:00]

[2:21:02] Outside appropriations.

[2:21:04] Who's doing them.

[2:21:06] Do you want to just do the process of how we usually do it.

[2:21:09] We'll go through a budget discussion real quick,

[2:21:12] and then we can go to each item.

[2:21:16] All right.

[2:21:18] So outside appropriations typically

[2:21:20] come from one of four funds.

[2:21:23] Transient guest tax, which supports

[2:21:25] tourism destination marketing.

[2:21:28] Visitor related tourism enhancements.

[2:21:30] This is from a tax that's levied on folks who stay

[2:21:34] at the hotels in our community.

[2:21:36] Special alcohol fund this is a tax that is

[2:21:38] levied on the sale of alcohol.

[2:21:41] It is a state set fund.

[2:21:43] We can't our state set tax.

[2:21:44] We can't change it.

[2:21:46] A third of the alcohol money goes

[2:21:47] to the special alcohol fund.

[2:21:49] A third goes to the special parks and recreation fund,

[2:21:51] and a third goes to the general fund.

[2:21:52] By state statute, special parks and recreation

[2:21:56] has to be spent on Park improvements,

[2:21:59] recreation facility and community programming

[2:22:01] initiatives for our parks.

[2:22:03] And then economic development sales tax fund.

[2:22:07] That is about $925,000 of the city's half

[2:22:11] cent sales tax goes to that.

[2:22:16] So I want to talk about the next big item.

[2:22:19] This year.

[2:22:19] We have received more funds requests that do not fit

[2:22:23] in one of those four buckets.

[2:22:25] It, and the city has traditionally looked very.

[2:22:31] We have not funded those before because that's

[2:22:34] truly property tax dollars that pay

[2:22:37] for that under Kansas statute.

[2:22:38] Last dollar in last dollar out of the budget is property taxes.

[2:22:43] And then it is truly competing with things

[2:22:45] such as public safety, our facilities,

[2:22:47] parks our solid waste collectors, people.

[2:22:52] Yeah, people.

[2:22:52] So we are always cautious.

[2:22:57] So give that word of caution, and I think at the end,

[2:23:01] we just want to have a little discussion.

[2:23:02] Should we even take general fund but doesn't fit

[2:23:05] in one of those four buckets.

[2:23:07] Do we take those requests.

[2:23:11] I didn't pass.

[2:23:12] We have moved like the Municipal Band used to be in something

[2:23:15] and we're like, they're a park.

[2:23:17] So yeah.

[2:23:18] So it says we can pay for park programming

[2:23:20] with that special park.

[2:23:21] So are there some of these that you're

[2:23:22] saying that we're going to talk about today that

[2:23:24] don't fit in any of this talk.

[2:23:25] Are you going to.

[2:23:26] Well, yeah.

[2:23:27] Yeah, we'll identify that.

[2:23:28] Yeah OK.

[2:23:30] The other thing that's not in this budget this year

[2:23:32] is visit Emporia.

[2:23:33] Emporia, Main Street, RDA and Emporia chamber funded funding.

[2:23:37] Not that we fund the chamber directly.

[2:23:40] Those dollars have been put forward to administration

[2:23:44] for tourism and visits for small business,

[2:23:48] for economic development.

[2:23:49] So those numbers have been set aside.

[2:23:52] But until the fire conversation goes one way or another.

[2:23:56] So either we will need to come back

[2:23:58] to you guys with a formal funding request

[2:24:00] and/or funding request for each of those individuals, which we

[2:24:04] could do, because really, time wise, I'm not sure

[2:24:07] we'd be there in the next year.

[2:24:09] Well, we have it set.

[2:24:10] I mean, we have the money saved.

[2:24:12] So really, we have a line item.

[2:24:13] Yes line item for it.

[2:24:15] Thank you.

[2:24:15] Because those.

[2:24:16] Yeah we're not.

[2:24:17] Yeah there's a line item for it.

[2:24:19] We're just not budgeting it to go to those organizations

[2:24:22] at this point in time.

[2:24:23] So we're not giving them any money

[2:24:25] unless we vote on it like we just did with visit Emporia.

[2:24:27] Correct so that's so just what we've done with visit Emporia.

[2:24:31] That money is pulled aside.

[2:24:32] It exists.

[2:24:33] It is there.

[2:24:34] But then if we've decided, let's do it because it's

[2:24:37] going to take forever to.

[2:24:39] So if we get hey, we're still another year out on via then

[2:24:42] we can appropriate that money.

[2:24:44] We do want to point out.

[2:24:48] Fund balances I will say general fund.

[2:24:51] That number is still a work in progress.

[2:24:54] But, see what our reserve level is.

[2:24:57] In general fund transient guest tax

[2:25:00] funding, what the ending balance is

[2:25:04] and what the target reserve is.

[2:25:06] Special alcohol fund.

[2:25:07] We have not traditionally held a reserve requirement there.

[2:25:10] Special parks we have not there.

[2:25:12] And then economic development.

[2:25:14] We have not kept a reserve fund with that either.

[2:25:18] But you can see what's available funding each of those.

[2:25:23] Where did we come up with the reserve amounts.

[2:25:26] That's just what we previous commissions

[2:25:28] have agreed to agreed to.

[2:25:30] So we can always adjust percentages.

[2:25:31] We always talk about 20% because some of us

[2:25:34] have lived through COVID and TGT funds don't exist during COVID.

[2:25:38] So we were very much like, if we've

[2:25:39] got to have reserves for maybe six months to eight months.

[2:25:42] If something somebody did the math and came out with,

[2:25:45] OK, it's 19.2% or something like that.

[2:25:48] So I did not do the math.

[2:25:52] So before you guys or the transient guest

[2:25:55] tax appropriations, you have what is and Lucas is not here.

[2:25:59] Is anybody here with tgt?

[2:26:02] Christina Christina.

[2:26:03] Christina is a staff liaison.

[2:26:07] Come on down.

[2:26:07] Matt's back there.

[2:26:08] Matt and Christina, if you guys want to come up,

[2:26:10] since you guys kind of staff that.

[2:26:14] But you see what they requested.

[2:26:16] You see what was recommended.

[2:26:17] Mended and then Taylor has the ability

[2:26:22] we're looking at what I call a green, yellow, red system today.

[2:26:28] If everybody's good with the request, we mark that as green.

[2:26:31] If everybody says, hey, we want to come back and talk

[2:26:35] about it more at a future meeting,

[2:26:36] we will turn that one yellow.

[2:26:38] And then if it's red and we don't want to find that,

[2:26:40] then we will.

[2:26:41] Although those aren't red because of that.

[2:26:43] But those are just red because their recommendation is

[2:26:46] different from their request.

[2:26:47] Yeah OK.

[2:26:51] You ready.

[2:26:52] Is there anything else before we dive into this list.

[2:26:56] Are you going to tell us the ones

[2:26:57] that don't fit in any category, or is that later.

[2:27:00] That's later.

[2:27:01] That's not in this.

[2:27:02] This will fit in the transient minus

[2:27:05] the carrack request, which I think they felt that.

[2:27:08] And did they feel that did not fit within

[2:27:10] does not meet requirement, which is why it's recommended to 0.

[2:27:14] Yes OK.

[2:27:16] You ready to talk.

[2:27:18] And then.

[2:27:18] Green light.

[2:27:19] Yellow light or red light.

[2:27:20] Is that where we're at.

[2:27:22] Yeah I mean, you guys are more than welcome to ask questions.

[2:27:25] We can run through all the slides,

[2:27:27] or we can just tackle this while we're here.

[2:27:29] I'd like to start at the bottom.

[2:27:31] Yeah let's start numerically.

[2:27:35] I'm OK.

[2:27:36] Excuse me, with William Allen White House.

[2:27:38] I had their numbers done.

[2:27:41] They have to raise their own money.

[2:27:43] So is anybody else against the Red Rocks.

[2:27:47] Green green.

[2:27:48] Green teachers Hall of Fame.

[2:27:50] Green, green.

[2:27:51] I mean, they're literally using it for their hotel bill.

[2:27:54] So, by golly, we're going to get our money back.

[2:27:56] OK, first Friday keep up the awesome work.

[2:28:02] I think it's a good program.

[2:28:03] We see a lot of people down there on Friday.

[2:28:06] Friday green discovered gravel.

[2:28:12] And what was the recommendation 21 just because instead of 30

[2:28:17] just to request your request.

[2:28:20] So Bobby actually requested on this one $21,000 this year.

[2:28:23] It's a self reduction from the 30,000 he received last year.

[2:28:27] Part of that was, equipment investments last year

[2:28:29] and those type of things that are not reoccurring costs.

[2:28:32] So I mean it's growing and he's got hotel stay.

[2:28:35] It's all good with that.

[2:28:38] Great I'm going to need at least dynamic

[2:28:42] to me in a yellow if to discuss.

[2:28:45] Maybe later after we get through everything else.

[2:28:47] Is that OK with everybody.

[2:28:49] Sure I would agree.

[2:28:50] Oh, sorry.

[2:28:51] Not dynamic, but we can discuss that yet.

[2:28:53] Yeah dynamic.

[2:28:54] Just that one.

[2:28:55] Just because they are it's really

[2:28:56] for their events and stuff.

[2:28:58] So I'm and they didn't have anything concrete

[2:29:01] on what they'd use it for.

[2:29:02] It didn't say in the application.

[2:29:05] Truth back there she can twirl herself back up here.

[2:29:08] Well, we'll come back to you, Jackie.

[2:29:09] The Historical Society.

[2:29:12] Green green.

[2:29:14] Green green.

[2:29:16] Hot so explain why does that not fit the group.

[2:29:24] And I'm speaking to this as director of visit Emporia.

[2:29:26] Not on the member.

[2:29:27] But attending the meetings.

[2:29:29] Wanted to see more in lines of the budget.

[2:29:31] They were having a hard time understanding

[2:29:33] the budget information between what

[2:29:34] was in the foundation accounts.

[2:29:36] The way it was presented.

[2:29:38] Is Michael here.

[2:29:39] Yeah OK.

[2:29:40] Michael, he can come up if you guys want later

[2:29:43] and talk through that.

[2:29:44] But that was one of them.

[2:29:44] And some questions about the scholarship funds.

[2:29:48] So talk about your input at yellow now OK.

[2:29:51] On yellow because we want to talk to him

[2:29:53] the rec commission green green.

[2:29:57] The only thing I will say what's it for.

[2:30:00] Go ahead.

[2:30:00] I mean I know what it's for, but can we tell the public.

[2:30:04] Yeah they're doing those team passes.

[2:30:06] That's right.

[2:30:07] It's a great deal.

[2:30:07] Yeah I'm wondering why I mean, I'm

[2:30:10] wondering why it wasn't larger.

[2:30:11] The only thing I will say is with the ever changing landscape

[2:30:16] of our wonderful high school Activities Association,

[2:30:20] I would like this request broken out into each tournament

[2:30:25] that they're planning on doing, instead of the whole year

[2:30:27] for tournaments that could be in the fall,

[2:30:31] could be in the spring, or it could be in the winter.

[2:30:34] So is that something we want, Chris.

[2:30:36] Do we need them No, I'm good with it.

[2:30:38] I'm good.

[2:30:39] I'm good with it.

[2:30:40] I think it's just the policy.

[2:30:41] OK, so we're going green.

[2:30:43] Just starting process 28.

[2:30:45] State basketball champion.

[2:30:48] Maybe we'll pick up more baseball,

[2:30:49] baseball, volleyball, men's golf, which we have Aaron

[2:30:53] wins golf bag.

[2:30:56] Golf is back next year I think.

[2:30:58] OK Kirk read.

[2:31:02] Yeah they were looking for just their building.

[2:31:05] They were looking for parking for their building.

[2:31:08] That's right that the tangential TGT

[2:31:13] is the fact that it would be, help people

[2:31:16] who also played at Hammond.

[2:31:18] The problem immediately came up to me

[2:31:21] is we had an explanation from you earlier in the year about

[2:31:25] what happened in Wichita with sidewalks

[2:31:28] and that is where the one AG's opinion has been,

[2:31:31] is that there was a request to fund

[2:31:35] ADA sidewalks, doing the ramps.

[2:31:39] And they said that was not at least

[2:31:42] the attorney general opined that was not

[2:31:44] a valid use of those dollars.

[2:31:47] And that was in Don Lew's presentation.

[2:31:49] He highlighted that.

[2:31:50] Yeah, exactly.

[2:31:51] What is there.

[2:31:52] Is there another fund that their request could fall into.

[2:31:55] Maybe I'm not sure.

[2:31:57] So it's above on the sponsorship request for 40,000.

[2:32:01] So it'll come up again.

[2:32:02] So do we.

[2:32:03] Yeah we have it later.

[2:32:04] So just out right now, we are just now say we green

[2:32:07] light the 0 recommendation or do we read it.

[2:32:09] It's read now, so why don't we just make it read.

[2:32:12] Yeah OK.

[2:32:13] But we're just talking early out of TGT at this moment.

[2:32:16] Sure OK.

[2:32:17] Arts council green.

[2:32:20] Green is this horrible to say.

[2:32:25] Tell me more about what theirs was.

[2:32:26] You can call them to the table.

[2:32:27] That's why they're here.

[2:32:29] I just don't remember, I read it.

[2:32:30] Council, come on up.

[2:32:34] Well, because you've had more they've had more Granada events.

[2:32:38] Because it's both.

[2:32:39] Granada you weren't expecting Granada, right.

[2:32:42] That we used to get an appropriation

[2:32:44] from Granada theater.

[2:32:45] So separate.

[2:32:46] I see, so sorry.

[2:32:48] You may not have to come up at all,

[2:32:49] but you might not have much.

[2:32:50] Sorry it was because it means you're here.

[2:32:52] Give us a speech.

[2:32:53] Oh, well.

[2:32:54] Well thank you.

[2:32:55] I'd like to introduce Cody Lacey.

[2:32:57] He is our manager for the Granada theater

[2:32:59] since we took it on in November of 2024.

[2:33:02] We have significantly had an increase in rentals.

[2:33:07] As we the Granada can only sustain

[2:33:10] with third party rentals.

[2:33:12] Performances alone does not bring pay the Bills.

[2:33:16] So Cody has done an excellent job reaching out,

[2:33:20] and I'll let him talk on behalf of reaching out

[2:33:23] to other communities and businesses.

[2:33:26] Yeah so a big part of this is obviously

[2:33:28] the Granada theater alliance who was previously running it.

[2:33:31] They did a good job, but we reached a place

[2:33:33] where it became very stagnant.

[2:33:36] And we didn't see performances at the Granada.

[2:33:38] And so a big part of this and with these appropriated funds

[2:33:42] is just to really help market and advertise.

[2:33:45] Other communities hey, Emporia is doing live music again.

[2:33:49] We have performances, we have space to host different kinds

[2:33:53] of events and conferences.

[2:33:55] We've had city planners meetings in banquets there.

[2:33:59] We're a big part of unbound as well.

[2:34:01] We're the host for all activities unbound.

[2:34:05] So just getting back out there to the community

[2:34:08] and letting them know that, hey, Emporia is still

[2:34:10] the place to go to have a fun Friday

[2:34:12] night and experience the town.

[2:34:15] Thank you.

[2:34:15] I know a lot of times I've been to musical events there

[2:34:19] and met people from other towns, and they've

[2:34:21] commented that they're actually spending the night also

[2:34:25] because we've worked with bring tourism in, we've worked

[2:34:28] with Main Street really closely on our placer data as well,

[2:34:32] showing that we're drawing a lot of people from Lawrence, Topeka,

[2:34:36] outside areas.

[2:34:37] And we even I met a couple that was there from Nebraska.

[2:34:40] They were a big fan of the frontman when they came in,

[2:34:42] and so we're drawing a lot of people from all

[2:34:45] over, not just the state, but the region.

[2:34:47] And we do as an organization also,

[2:34:50] we have to lodge our artist.

[2:34:53] So we have over 50 to 60 hotel rooms

[2:34:56] that we personally pay for as well

[2:34:59] to host those artists here too.

[2:35:02] I will point out that we hosted the Kansas association of city

[2:35:05] managers conference back in December,

[2:35:07] and we used Granada for our Thursday night event.

[2:35:10] And other than a really suspect comedian,

[2:35:13] it was a great experience and everybody really,

[2:35:17] really enjoyed being there I agree on that comment.

[2:35:20] Well, and it's not really any secret anymore,

[2:35:23] we have put a doorway in between the Art

[2:35:26] Center and the Granada theater.

[2:35:29] That's going to open up a whole new possibilities to host

[2:35:33] a lot of conferences and events there,

[2:35:37] so they can use the art center's rooms as well.

[2:35:40] And we did.

[2:35:41] We use both facilities.

[2:35:42] There wasn't a door then, but yes,

[2:35:44] but now would be a lot easier.

[2:35:45] They don't have to go around in the cold.

[2:35:48] Are we green.

[2:35:49] Agree all right.

[2:35:50] Thank you.

[2:35:51] Thank you for the additional information.

[2:35:53] Sorry, I was confused.

[2:35:54]

[2:35:57] I'm sorry.

[2:35:57] I'm a red, so you want me to come up.

[2:36:01] Come on up.

[2:36:02] Sure did you bring.

[2:36:08]

[2:36:14] Hello hello.

[2:36:15] Can you tell us, in those listening what these $80,000

[2:36:20] in funds would go towards.

[2:36:21] Please a wide array of.

[2:36:29] Improvements to the overall property.

[2:36:30] The disk golf course to.

[2:36:32]

[2:36:36] The addition of overnight lodging

[2:36:39] through the tiny homes, RV parks.

[2:36:41]

[2:36:45] Let me go back through.

[2:36:46] I submit this.

[2:36:46] So long ago.

[2:36:48] It is a long process.

[2:36:50] It's a long process.

[2:36:53] Yeah, it was a wide mix of that with

[2:36:56] and I did provide obviously the budget along with it.

[2:37:00] But it's not just for finding homes or not just for the RV

[2:37:06] pads, it's for improving the Disc Golf course to continue

[2:37:09] to or not to continue, but to allow us to stay

[2:37:11] relevant on the Disk Golf Pro Tour, as

[2:37:13] well as the professional disk Golf Association

[2:37:16] major tournaments.

[2:37:19] It seems like course improvements at some point,

[2:37:22] you'd get done with them, but it's actually as the sport just

[2:37:25] continues to keep evolving it.

[2:37:28] The players continue to get better.

[2:37:30] They have to adapt the courses to bring

[2:37:34] in the highest caliber players.

[2:37:38] And we've had to make or we are planning to make improvements

[2:37:42] to stay relevant on the TOUR.

[2:37:44] Questions I'll give my opinion and I'm

[2:37:53] probably not next to Aaron.

[2:37:54] I'm probably the one who that plays

[2:37:55] the most disk golf in town.

[2:37:56] Oh, you play more than me.

[2:37:58] But I know at this point, just because I've given you a lot

[2:38:03] and I totally understand keeping the courses up

[2:38:05] and the stuff, but I'm just right now

[2:38:09] because we have so many requests that I'm

[2:38:11] just kind of not at the moment.

[2:38:13] So I certainly respect that.

[2:38:17] Something I probably should add in

[2:38:18] is this request with adding overnight lodging

[2:38:22] through the tiny homes and the RV

[2:38:24] park does generate back into the transient guest tax fund.

[2:38:28] It allows more people to stay.

[2:38:30] But does an RV park do PGE park does not currently,

[2:38:35] but the tiny homes would.

[2:38:36] But the RV park does not do a TGT tax.

[2:38:39] I don't know if that's a local policy.

[2:38:40] I don't know if that's a state policy on RV parks or state.

[2:38:44] Yeah, I think, but I've looked and I cannot find not that I

[2:38:47] can't say you can't charge another bag,

[2:38:50] but I'm just saying we don't get that back from an RV park,

[2:38:54] so the intention would be to book it through Airbnb.

[2:38:57] I would have Airbnb.

[2:39:00] Airbnb B would be easy for you to say.

[2:39:04] The state agitates those dollars,

[2:39:06] agitates aggregates, aggregates, aggregates, agitates.

[2:39:10] It has aggregates those dollars.

[2:39:13] Yeah and I think the other key thing to bring up

[2:39:17] is, it's not just one tournament or two tournaments.

[2:39:21] It is players coming through Emporia

[2:39:24] almost on a daily basis for nine months out of the year.

[2:39:27] Then the season is hit and miss.

[2:39:29] On players coming through during the winter.

[2:39:32] Just this morning a family of three

[2:39:34] in from Colorado yesterday Fargo, North Dakota.

[2:39:40] And I could just keep going back.

[2:39:42] And I don't think that they're.

[2:39:47] They are coming intentionally for what we're

[2:39:49] doing at champions landing.

[2:39:50] And I think that the project that we've got in front of us

[2:39:54] here is something to really put a stamp on.

[2:39:58] Disc golf being an important economic driver

[2:40:02] for the city of Emporia.

[2:40:04] Oh, I think it's a great project.

[2:40:05] I just don't think right now I am willing to commit that money.

[2:40:09] What percentage of the 80,000 would be used

[2:40:12] for marketing of tournaments.

[2:40:16] I don't think there was anything put in there for marketing.

[2:40:22] No, we're obviously marketing our events to the disk golf

[2:40:26] community and beyond, but that wasn't a specific line

[2:40:30] item in this request.

[2:40:33] The reason I ask because I couldn't find it on here.

[2:40:35] So I was wondering if that was because it wasn't.

[2:40:39] Any other questions for Jeremy.

[2:40:43] I don't think so.

[2:40:44] Color choices.

[2:40:46] I'm feeling like you at this point.

[2:40:48] There's been a lot of money given on a loan,

[2:40:52] and I understand that.

[2:40:53] I just think right now I'm not comfortable with another 80.

[2:40:59] Yeah nothing against you.

[2:41:03] Oh I frequent.

[2:41:04] He sees me up there eating at least.

[2:41:07] Yeah yellow or red.

[2:41:09] So you're in between orange, yellow, and red.

[2:41:12] So you're kind of orange now.

[2:41:14] OK OK.

[2:41:15] Like your coat.

[2:41:16] Shirt if you don't mind.

[2:41:19] Real quick on the I certainly.

[2:41:21] The city of Emporia has definitely

[2:41:22] kicked in big on the $500,000 forgivable loan.

[2:41:26] And that ultimately is the only reason that I have

[2:41:30] the property at this point.

[2:41:32] I do look at that.

[2:41:33] And I know there's a lot of criticism towards that,

[2:41:35] but when you look at it on a 10 year basis, at $50,000 a year,

[2:41:40] that makes disk golf stay relevant

[2:41:43] in Emporia and continues to bring people

[2:41:45] to Emporia on a daily basis.

[2:41:50] I think the question if that wasn't there or maybe isn't

[2:41:54] there is going to be why didn't we support champions

[2:41:59] landing and disk golf more.

[2:42:01] It's certainly been a challenge to keep

[2:42:03] the doors open and operational.

[2:42:05] I think we've really found a spot

[2:42:08] to be sustainable and move forward

[2:42:12] to continue to improve things.

[2:42:14] But on a 10 year, if it was just if it was $50,000

[2:42:22] a year instead of 500,000, I think it

[2:42:24] looks significantly different.

[2:42:27] And I think the city of Emporia would

[2:42:29] lose tremendously more than $500,000 over the 10 years.

[2:42:34] And we still got a long way to get to that.

[2:42:38] So I would say it was a very Wise Business decision

[2:42:42] from the decision makers at the time to do support making

[2:42:47] that property an opportunity for me

[2:42:51] to acquire it, purchase it and not let it go up

[2:42:53] on the open market where it would

[2:42:55] likely become something other than it actually is guaranteed.

[2:42:59] I have no qualms about that one at all.

[2:43:01] So yeah.

[2:43:02] Didn't you get another $56,000 at some point.

[2:43:05] And was that from tgt?

[2:43:07] 54,000 that was two years, a year and a half ago.

[2:43:12] Two years after the half.

[2:43:13] Yeah I didn't ask for anything last year.

[2:43:15] And that was to add three different disk golf courses

[2:43:18] onto the property to make it a beginner friendly course

[2:43:21] and intermediate level course, and advanced level course,

[2:43:23] which was needed, and keep our championship level disk

[2:43:26] golf course.

[2:43:26] So now there's four different disk

[2:43:27] golf and golf on the property, as well

[2:43:29] as the addition of footgolf.

[2:43:30] And we've seen while we didn't ever

[2:43:34] expect it was going to be a crazy amount of people that were

[2:43:36] going to come and play footgolf, but it's definitely opened up

[2:43:39] the door to people who would never step foot on the property

[2:43:42] to come and play.

[2:43:43] Footgolf feel welcome inside and whatnot.

[2:43:46] And that support for the GPX4 was,

[2:43:51] I think a very wise investment from the GPX4 fund to we've

[2:43:55] now been able to have more disk golf tournaments.

[2:43:58] We can have 368 players a day play

[2:44:03] tournament rounds because of the use of the two courses

[2:44:05] simultaneously.

[2:44:07] We haven't done that per se yet on that total number.

[2:44:10] But yeah, a lot of good improvements there.

[2:44:15] Kurt I'm kind of a yellow orange kind of guy.

[2:44:20] I think my position would be just looking at the other things

[2:44:25] that how we fund things and the other options out there.

[2:44:28] There may be a different way to fund this part of this.

[2:44:31] The only commissioner Steinkuhler did ask me,

[2:44:34] the only kind of parallel I could think of

[2:44:37] was what we did on the Fairfield,

[2:44:40] where they're entitled, I believe

[2:44:41] it's 80% because they added the conference center that there's

[2:44:45] a hold harmless one.

[2:44:47] The TGT fund can't go below the previous year's what

[2:44:50] we collected, and then they can have 80% back of what

[2:44:54] was produced by the property.

[2:44:59] And that was for the conference center

[2:45:00] that they did there, which could supposed to draw a lot of room

[2:45:04] nights with the conference center

[2:45:05] and use beyond that facility for that.

[2:45:09] To me, that's a better way to look at this.

[2:45:13] How does Jeremy do TGT funds.

[2:45:16] So if he's only got four tiny homes,

[2:45:18] I mean, you just rebate him back what he collected on the four

[2:45:22] tiny homes for tiny homes.

[2:45:24] Yeah, and 80% of it.

[2:45:26] Yeah, I mean that that's the parallel that we

[2:45:29] have with another entity.

[2:45:31] That entity before.

[2:45:32] Yeah did you include the RV pads with that.

[2:45:37] I mean, if he's going to collect TGT,

[2:45:38] if he's going through Airbnb, the hard thing

[2:45:41] in my mind with Airbnb is I think we just

[2:45:44] get a check that says Airbnb.

[2:45:47] It doesn't break it down.

[2:45:48] And Janet, Janet in here.

[2:45:50] Yeah, I am and it does not break.

[2:45:52] It doesn't break down.

[2:45:53] It just says Airbnb x amount.

[2:45:54] So he would have to tell us how.

[2:45:57] He would have to tell us how much we'd

[2:45:58] have to compare that to Airbnb.

[2:46:00]

[2:46:03] So right now we're in the yellow Aaron.

[2:46:06]

[2:46:11] I think there's a lot of stuff in the application.

[2:46:15] I don't know that all of it fits TGT.

[2:46:18] Obviously, the folks that we put on the TGT board

[2:46:21] did think that all of it fit TGT.

[2:46:24] I would just if it was a little more broken

[2:46:28] down to what actually fits TGT.

[2:46:30] I'm kind of with the folks on not making

[2:46:35] it for actual infrastructure.

[2:46:38] But if it was for marketing and drawing in those larger

[2:46:44] tournaments that we know have to use champions landing

[2:46:48] to host that quality of players, I'd be green light all the way.

[2:46:54] We could send it back to TGT to more carefully.

[2:46:57] We can send it back steady to consider a rebate type agreement

[2:47:02] and make a recommendation because that

[2:47:04] was a criticism when the Fairfield project was done.

[2:47:08] That was just done by the commission at the time

[2:47:10] without going through TGT.

[2:47:11] So potentially kick that to TGT to consider what

[2:47:14] a rebate type agreement be.

[2:47:16] It be something to consider.

[2:47:18] Matt and Christine, what was tg's

[2:47:21] thoughts on the full recommendation.

[2:47:23] You were there.

[2:47:24] Oh yeah.

[2:47:25] They looked it was definitely probably the most time consuming

[2:47:28] one they went through.

[2:47:29] They went through it with a fine tooth comb on it.

[2:47:31] The big thing is, when you look at transient guest tax,

[2:47:34] one of the three legs of the actual fund

[2:47:35] is attraction development.

[2:47:38] And that's where they really looked at this one.

[2:47:40] Yes, it might be a private business,

[2:47:42] but there's no one excluding any other private business

[2:47:44] from putting together an attraction

[2:47:45] and putting together one of these requests as well.

[2:47:49] They kicked it around.

[2:47:50] It wasn't.

[2:47:51] It was obviously a split vote on the group to promote

[2:47:54] the recommendation of $80,000 on it,

[2:47:57] really getting into the details of it,

[2:47:59] in fact, it was a month ago.

[2:48:01] Trying to think through.

[2:48:04] The big thing is we've spent a lot

[2:48:05] of dollars in disk golf infrastructure,

[2:48:08] and we've got to keep it growing.

[2:48:09] When I look at it from the visit Emporia perspective,

[2:48:13] it's one of the few things on this list

[2:48:14] that I can send people to every day of the week.

[2:48:18] It sometimes we have a hard time.

[2:48:20] We put money behind x or y event,

[2:48:22] but attraction development is critical moving

[2:48:25] forward from our perspective.

[2:48:27] Whether it's this or something else out there,

[2:48:28] people have other ideas for attractions

[2:48:31] because we've got to have those things

[2:48:32] that people can visit the other 50 weeks out of the year.

[2:48:35]

[2:48:37] If you guys don't mind.

[2:48:38] One more comment.

[2:48:39] I know that there's some concern in regards to it being

[2:48:44] a private business that's going after TGT support and funding,

[2:48:50] and that support is not going to necessarily a Fairfield

[2:48:55] Inn or any other hotels in town, and those other hotels in town

[2:48:59] are not drawing and attracting disk golf destination

[2:49:05] tourism dollars to Emporia.

[2:49:09] And I think that's one of the big

[2:49:11] that's the difference in this.

[2:49:14] And I think that's really important to keep in mind

[2:49:17] that that's why this request is in front of the TGT

[2:49:21] to continue to make Jenkins landing in Emporia a tourist

[2:49:28] destination for disk golf.

[2:49:31] Yeah, I'd like to send it back to TGT and they can rework it.

[2:49:34] I mean, so I think is that OK with them.

[2:49:39] Be careful how you massage this back

[2:49:42] to because in part of your literature

[2:49:44] that you submitted with this, you show the mention of handicap

[2:49:50] accessible into those tiny homes.

[2:49:54] We can't do that.

[2:49:56] So just don't mention it.

[2:49:58]

[2:50:01] So we're sending it back to the.

[2:50:05] Sorry is that OK with you to send it back.

[2:50:10] It'll come back to us again.

[2:50:12] Thank you.

[2:50:13] Yeah, yeah.

[2:50:13] After they rework it and.

[2:50:16] Yeah and at that point, we'll also see

[2:50:18] how much money is left over.

[2:50:20] So yeah.

[2:50:22] What else.

[2:50:23] So back to dynamic disks.

[2:50:27] Jackie.

[2:50:29] Troll yourself up here MS mayor.

[2:50:32] Yes, Erin.

[2:50:33] Can we.

[2:50:34] Can I submit an appropriation request to turn these fans on.

[2:50:39] Oh, I second that.

[2:50:43] I don't know how we do it, but pull the thing Mr. Ebert,

[2:50:49] give that man some lunch.

[2:50:51] All right.

[2:50:52] Yeah OK.

[2:50:54] So, Jackie.

[2:50:55] Yes I think there were questions of what you really

[2:50:57] wanted to use the money for.

[2:50:59] Is it going to blow over.

[2:51:00] Here Taylor.

[2:51:02] Yeah explain your appropriation.

[2:51:06] What it really helped you do.

[2:51:09] So what it really helps me do is I know

[2:51:13] at the tax, the last meeting with the board,

[2:51:16] I was explaining to them that our disk golf events are

[2:51:20] not funded by dynamic disks.

[2:51:23] They are funded by sponsorships and the player fees.

[2:51:27] So while I to get some products from dynamic at cost.

[2:51:32] The money's not coming from them.

[2:51:34] So I have to raise those funds elsewhere.

[2:51:38] When the player fees are supposed to cover x amount.

[2:51:42] So the money that I ask for goes towards

[2:51:46] of elevating the experience of the players

[2:51:48] while they're in town.

[2:51:49] Working with radius to host the welcome party,

[2:51:54] getting disks to the Emporia Arts Council council

[2:51:57] so they can host kids design disks and give out prizes.

[2:52:02] Working with Emporia Main Street to host the block party.

[2:52:07] Different things like that not only

[2:52:09] our competitors get to enjoy, but also the community.

[2:52:12] And it makes the competitors want to come because the more

[2:52:14] of a better party you throw, the more obviously,

[2:52:17] the more you want to go.

[2:52:18] And I also noted that in the last meeting

[2:52:22] that the event that's happening a week or two before ours.

[2:52:28] Only three hours down the road, only had like 30 people

[2:52:30] signed up.

[2:52:31] We are nearing 400, so they know that there

[2:52:34] will be a rock STAR Tournament.

[2:52:36] There'll be a rock STAR Tournament director.

[2:52:38] Yeah so in the tournament, in the application it says, please

[2:52:41] provide a detailed breakdown of how the requested funds will

[2:52:45] be allocated.

[2:52:46] And it says I don't have a breakdown of this right

[2:52:48] now for 2027.

[2:52:50] But I can show what we are using this year's funds for.

[2:52:53] As I get it more locked in.

[2:52:54] So could this be a yellow and something

[2:52:56] that comes back to us after she has it more locked in.

[2:52:59] Yeah and that was my concern, is that we don't know what the.

[2:53:04] I think that's fair because Jackie has to work a year out.

[2:53:06] I mean, yeah, she's.

[2:53:08] Yeah, I think it's great.

[2:53:09] When will you know what you use the money for in 2026?

[2:53:12] So I know a lot of it more now than when

[2:53:16] in April that we had was asked.

[2:53:18] Yeah so I could actually probably

[2:53:20] submit that rather soon because the event

[2:53:22] is actually in three weeks.

[2:53:25] OK yeah.

[2:53:26] That's just what I would like to see too.

[2:53:28] Of course, before I make a decision,

[2:53:30] if that's OK with the rest of the GPX4,

[2:53:34] I'd be willing to Green light the full amount

[2:53:37] with the TGT board's discretion to get it.

[2:53:42] Get the information from Jackie.

[2:53:44] I don't and I met with Jackie.

[2:53:46] Was that a month ago or six weeks ago.

[2:53:47] We sat down for a couple hours and it was pretty eye opening

[2:53:50] to walk through the process of it

[2:53:51] and just how much more competitive tournaments have

[2:53:53] gotten in communities, and some of those facets

[2:53:56] that have changed since the pandemic era.

[2:53:58] So it's an eco devo driver.

[2:54:00] I'm OK with Aaron's idea of making sure

[2:54:02] that it fits into the visitors.

[2:54:06] It's probably it's part of the process.

[2:54:07] Change with the attraction is they're

[2:54:10] not only just they're not just giving the funds anymore.

[2:54:13] They're making them come back with this

[2:54:15] is what we use the funds on.

[2:54:16] I like that.

[2:54:17] That makes sense.

[2:54:18] So great.

[2:54:20] So we're good with green, with the caveat that the TGT board

[2:54:24] works with Jackie to make sure it fits

[2:54:26] into the elevating the visitor's experience

[2:54:31] because it's a visitor's.

[2:54:32] So in other words, you're not going to write a blank check.

[2:54:35] You're going to go through the process

[2:54:37] before you get the full 40.

[2:54:39] Yeah, the whole process.

[2:54:40] You may not get process that would change.

[2:54:42] TGT 2 is pretty much like that already.

[2:54:45] Yeah and I but I would like a copy of it too.

[2:54:47] I mean, I'd like to see what they're planning on.

[2:54:51] We can do after action reports to make sure commission

[2:54:53] sees those things.

[2:54:55] Yeah OK.

[2:54:55] OK, so we're turning to Green work

[2:54:57] with putting some more information.

[2:55:00] I'm actually OK knowing your life is crazy for three weeks.

[2:55:03] It would be July.

[2:55:04] I appreciate that.

[2:55:07] Oh, yeah.

[2:55:08] Yeah we're not saying.

[2:55:09] Yeah, we're OK.

[2:55:10] We're talking about 2027, Jackie.

[2:55:12] And you've been OK, but.

[2:55:13] Yeah, you're OK.

[2:55:15] Thanks, Jackie.

[2:55:16] Thank you.

[2:55:18] Hello we got hot pot.

[2:55:21] Anybody hear from hot Michael.

[2:55:23]

[2:55:29] Hello, I'm Mike Torres.

[2:55:31] I'm the president and his attorney.

[2:55:35] OK, so I think what was their reasoning.

[2:55:39] Because it went to scholarships and Mike was always on the table

[2:55:42] for.

[2:55:42] Do you want to walk them through of what.

[2:55:44] Yeah so some of the conversation that we had initially

[2:55:47] I submitted a pretty detailed, full, transparent budget

[2:55:52] so that everybody could see what our expenses

[2:55:54] looked like as an organization.

[2:55:56] They asked for a more high level view of what

[2:55:59] this money would be used for.

[2:56:01] And so I provided a four year break out of our budgets.

[2:56:04] Looked like for Hispanics of today and tomorrow

[2:56:06] over the last four years, having come into the position

[2:56:10] last year, being in my second year as president,

[2:56:14] I still had to thumb through some

[2:56:15] of those previous financial documents,

[2:56:18] but I provided just a high level overview.

[2:56:20] We consistently spend around $25,000

[2:56:23] on our events year to year.

[2:56:26] And that's the five events that we built up to.

[2:56:29] So when I came to the meeting, the discussion that we had

[2:56:34] was around scaling up the events.

[2:56:36] We want to not necessarily recycle the same thing.

[2:56:39] We want to bring larger talent to the community,

[2:56:42] and we want to draw more people to the community

[2:56:44] with our events.

[2:56:45] And so that you all are aware of those events

[2:56:49] that I'm talking about are 5 de Mayo, day of the dead,

[2:56:53] vamos a buscar.

[2:56:54] That event that we host Hispanic Heritage month,

[2:56:58] which we stopped holding.

[2:57:00] And within Bahia State University it's now up to hartos

[2:57:04] that event and then our annual meeting,

[2:57:07] which includes all of our 35 plus partners

[2:57:10] and all of our volunteers, including those that

[2:57:13] are part of our dance groups.

[2:57:16] So following that meeting, some of the feedback that I received

[2:57:21] was we don't necessarily just want to fully Fund V events,

[2:57:26] and that's completely understandable.

[2:57:28] I think the reason we asked for it's a 10,000

[2:57:33] increase from two years past when we requested 25,000.

[2:57:37] The reason that we asked for that increase of $10,000 was

[2:57:40] because we see where $25,000 gets us scaling up with $35,000

[2:57:46] we thought was appropriate.

[2:57:49] We're seeing less.

[2:57:52]

[2:57:55] Less available options for things like stage tickets.

[2:58:00] So we have to rent that out more.

[2:58:02] We're seeing more expenses go up for entertainment.

[2:58:07] So that's not a.

[2:58:10] And so those are really the big things that we're

[2:58:12] focused on in the coming year.

[2:58:14] Of course, we can make do figure it out.

[2:58:17] Don't ever say that.

[2:58:18] Yeah, but I wanted to be clear.

[2:58:21] One of the other pieces of confusion was around revenue.

[2:58:24] And so we have two accounts.

[2:58:26] Lyon County State Bank and the important Community Foundation

[2:58:29] account.

[2:58:30] Is this going to events.

[2:58:31] Is this going to scholarship.

[2:58:34] This money is solely pocketed for events.

[2:58:37] So we have money that could cover it,

[2:58:45] our events in the community Foundation, but that's

[2:58:48] all earmarked for scholarship.

[2:58:50] And so I wanted to be clear about that.

[2:58:53] The only other money that we get is on a matchday.

[2:58:56] And out of anything that we get from donations

[2:59:00] for corporations or businesses, which is entirely up to us

[2:59:04] to raise.

[2:59:04] So a good example is we had 25,000,

[2:59:09] and then that same year we had 5,000 with

[2:59:11] the michelin's sponsorship.

[2:59:14] And then we had a little close to $7,000 for matchday that we

[2:59:19] received, and then everything else

[2:59:22] was previous year rolled over.

[2:59:24] So I like the idea.

[2:59:26] It's for your leveling up, your talent and I

[2:59:30] get it at this stage.

[2:59:31] And your speaker, I mean, it just costs money these days,

[2:59:34] and we have already shown in the past,

[2:59:38] pacer data shows that there are people

[2:59:40] that are coming from my County and surrounding areas.

[2:59:44] Of course, we've seen some changes

[2:59:46] with transition or whether.

[2:59:51] That, but I have no doubt that this has the ability to continue

[2:59:55] to draw large crowds.

[2:59:57] We get thousands of people at these events.

[2:59:59] So I'm really proud of where we're at.

[3:00:02] We've been here for 30 years, so we're close to

[3:00:06] and I know we can do it.

[3:00:07] So thoughts from commissioners I mean, I like the thought.

[3:00:17] Yeah go ahead.

[3:00:18] Somebody else want to.

[3:00:20] I'm like, I keep reading, so I don't want to leave.

[3:00:22] I would be willing to $30,000 for that.

[3:00:25] OK thank you.

[3:00:25] I am too, because I'm like, if you can do if you can

[3:00:29] do your after report to say, look,

[3:00:30] we raised our level of talent.

[3:00:32] Here's our stages, here's you being

[3:00:35] able to maybe work with somebody else to do something.

[3:00:38] And that's the way to do it.

[3:00:40] Casey would stop taking pictures or at least cut me out.

[3:00:45] Yeah I only fear, like any of these is to make sure

[3:00:49] that the funds are actually used.

[3:00:51] So I understand that the TTC board recommended

[3:00:56] less because that $30,000 it goes over

[3:01:00] and above your guys' budget.

[3:01:03] But I would encourage you guys to level

[3:01:06] up and show that you did that.

[3:01:08] And I think all 30,000 could be yours.

[3:01:12] Yeah I'm agreeing.

[3:01:13] I agree, especially with your after report.

[3:01:15] Yeah OK thank you.

[3:01:19] Thank you.

[3:01:19]

[3:01:22] Yeah are we switching to the next page.

[3:01:27] All right, well, we didn't.

[3:01:28] Are we saying no.

[3:01:30] We're said no to.

[3:01:31] We're moving on to because we handled that transition.

[3:01:34] All right.

[3:01:34] Let's go.

[3:01:35] Next page.

[3:01:38] All right.

[3:01:38] This is other funds.

[3:01:42] And these are all new requests other than cross ones.

[3:01:46] Cross ones at $85,000.

[3:01:49] That's the old corner house.

[3:01:50] That's probably the easy special alcohol green.

[3:01:53] So maybe unless there's an objection,

[3:01:55] we can green that real quick, then we can come to the other.

[3:01:58] Which one are you.

[3:01:59] Greening I'm sorry.

[3:02:00] Cross did you have to do that at that time.

[3:02:03] Did you not do their normal 25.

[3:02:05] They did not submit this year.

[3:02:06] Oh, OK.

[3:02:08] For that.

[3:02:09] And is that the whole alcohol thing.

[3:02:11] No, that leaves them in.

[3:02:12] That's everything we have, Taylor.

[3:02:14] I thought we had 105 in it.

[3:02:15] So we said crosswinds is going to special alcohol.

[3:02:19] Yes OK.

[3:02:20] For oh, right.

[3:02:22] It's not all that's in there.

[3:02:23] But that's the only.

[3:02:25] All right, let's go back to the.

[3:02:27] We just approved 85.

[3:02:28] Yeah OK Flint hills tac.

[3:02:31] Last year, they received $71,000 for their nursing program.

[3:02:35] This year, they're asking for a number of things.

[3:02:37] 257,000 for precision alcohol, CeeDee facility renovations

[3:02:43] for city annexation.

[3:02:45] This is precision.

[3:02:46] Precision agriculture.

[3:02:48] Alcohol alcohol.

[3:02:51] There may be something coming through here.

[3:02:55] Precision precision agricultural CDL facility.

[3:02:58] Renovations to include ADA and fire suppression upgrades there.

[3:03:04] So that's 257,000 at best.

[3:03:07] We have funded the.

[3:03:08] Phase out of economic development funds in the past.

[3:03:15] We three years ago we took the request to RDA.

[3:03:20] RDA recommended not to fund it.

[3:03:22] The commission went ahead and funded it.

[3:03:25] And it wasn't nursing.

[3:03:26] What was it.

[3:03:26] It was mental health.

[3:03:29] No, no.

[3:03:30] They're teaching or maintenance.

[3:03:34] Child care.

[3:03:35] Child care program.

[3:03:37] A program to help child care to get

[3:03:40] their teachers through faster.

[3:03:41] Yes crosswinds.

[3:03:44] We talked about crosswinds.

[3:03:45] Southwick house, $62,000.

[3:03:47] And this is really, once again, maybe you

[3:03:51] could stretch it into funds.

[3:03:54] I mean, obviously, it's the other side of economic

[3:03:56] development, $62,000.

[3:04:01] And this is what they're saying is required emergency fire

[3:04:04] access drive $40,000 for the car parking,

[3:04:09] which I think were hard to get into economic development,

[3:04:12] making that link there by itself.

[3:04:15] My mind, it's probably a general fund thing.

[3:04:18] And then Kansas Spanish speakers.

[3:04:21] This does go with workforce development

[3:04:22] and community services and employment

[3:04:26] and educational services.

[3:04:27] So I think you can make a fairly easy argument to put

[3:04:31] that in economic development.

[3:04:32] How much is in economic development.

[3:04:34] 1.5 OK.

[3:04:41] And then imaginarium this is $20,000

[3:04:48] for their STEM activities.

[3:04:49] I don't know that this goes in any of our special buckets.

[3:04:53] In my mind this is probably a general fund request.

[3:04:56] Just hard to put anywhere.

[3:04:58] Emporia Municipal Band.

[3:04:59] That is the same thing that we've been doing, by the way.

[3:05:01] 7:30 tomorrow night, ribbon cutting

[3:05:03] on the new Christine Romans.

[3:05:05] Mark debtor Memorial.

[3:05:08] No honorary.

[3:05:10] Can we get those pictures, like on a stick when you're at, like,

[3:05:13] a ball game and they're all marked better.

[3:05:15] I asked Mark if he was coming back and he told me no.

[3:05:19] He probably said no.

[3:05:20] He told me no.

[3:05:21] I was like, oh, so you're really leaving.

[3:05:23] Can I ask another question.

[3:05:24] Yes when you say economic development, what do we have.

[3:05:28] Ending cash fund balance is that right now.

[3:05:30] Yes Well, what we have going go back to that Taylor

[3:05:34] real quick because the proposed expenditures are

[3:05:37] these included in that proposed expenditures amount.

[3:05:41] I don't believe so.

[3:05:42] No this is last year's look right.

[3:05:46] This is beginning is the anticipated 26 ending.

[3:05:52] And then the expenditures and receipts

[3:05:54] for 27 and then ending balance.

[3:05:56] So, so so the expenditures are all fully funding everything.

[3:06:01] Yes and the 760.

[3:06:02] Well no.

[3:06:02] The 763 is going to be one of the 763

[3:06:08] is going to basically be the water tower and RDA expenses.

[3:06:11] So that's what I'm asking.

[3:06:12] Do I need to take that out of either the beginning balance

[3:06:14] or the ending cash balance.

[3:06:15] No, I mean no, no, it's out of there.

[3:06:18] Yeah so the so the proposed expenditures right now

[3:06:21] is just so we have 1.5 left after funding RDA and the water

[3:06:26] tower that we can use on these things that aren't

[3:06:28] in that expenditure stuff, depending

[3:06:30] on what we want to maintain.

[3:06:32] We don't have a requirement for a balance on that.

[3:06:34] I would tell you, unless we truly have somebody who's

[3:06:37] going to create 2000 jobs, I really

[3:06:39] want a strong balance in that.

[3:06:41] Make sure it comes out of industrial and TGT.

[3:06:45] Yes Main Street.

[3:06:46] Yes right.

[3:06:47] Yes in general keeping them.

[3:06:49] Yeah part of that 763 does include

[3:06:52] the 257 for the Flint hills and the 25 for the Kansas speakers.

[3:06:59] Does it include and the water tower.

[3:07:01] Yes, it does.

[3:07:02] OK yeah.

[3:07:05] OK OK.

[3:07:06]

[3:07:09] 48 RDA is not in there, so we're 400,000.

[3:07:12] So that's the problem.

[3:07:13] RDA is not in there.

[3:07:14] So that's $400,000 we need to add in there to fund RDA.

[3:07:18] So it's 257 that we have in there.

[3:07:21] So really the normal expenditures

[3:07:23] we need to add 130 to get to the normal expenditures.

[3:07:28] And then we tried doing City Math.

[3:07:29] Just tell me how much money you got left.

[3:07:32] Yeah I think it best you guys have 150 to play with her

[3:07:37] in economic development.

[3:07:40] Thank you.

[3:07:41] So we don't really have.

[3:07:43] So can we now look at the economic development ones first.

[3:07:46] Yes so that would be economic development.

[3:07:49] Go back so that what could go in.

[3:07:52] I like that screen there.

[3:07:53] What could go in economic development.

[3:07:55] Is ESU.

[3:07:57] I don't know that can go in there because that's for what is

[3:08:00] that for the drug prevention.

[3:08:03] Well, they typically do it out of that fund.

[3:08:05] This is their fishing one that they do with hot.

[3:08:09] So could that mean could you get TGT on that one.

[3:08:13] To me it is because they're bringing

[3:08:16] everybody to do a whole day of outdoor activity.

[3:08:19] I mean it's an event.

[3:08:20] It's an event event or a tourist event.

[3:08:23] I think it's both because they bring

[3:08:24] the kids come from just funded part of its budget

[3:08:28] for that exact event.

[3:08:30] The hot portion of it, not the portion.

[3:08:33] Yeah Leland, can you speak at all on that one.

[3:08:41] Well ESU certainly has never put in a request, to my knowledge,

[3:08:44] for that specific event.

[3:08:46] And obviously I've not seen the specific application,

[3:08:48] so I'm not quite sure what they might be asking,

[3:08:50] but yes, I did hear Mike clearly, as you all did,

[3:08:53] that is one of the events that they requested funding for.

[3:08:58] That's about the most historical context of this issue,

[3:09:01] to my knowledge, has ever made it.

[3:09:03] It does sound a little more transient guest

[3:09:04] tax, in my humble opinion, but I have a weird question.

[3:09:09] Casey woods, can you.

[3:09:11] They told it out.

[3:09:11] The prophet can placer narrowed down to just the prophet aquatic

[3:09:17] center or whatever it's called.

[3:09:20] I would just be curious.

[3:09:21] Yeah, we can put that yellow for the day.

[3:09:23] Yeah I wouldn't take it out of ego.

[3:09:27] If anything, I'm leaning toward something else.

[3:09:30] TGT that has a little bit of wiggle words,

[3:09:33] in case you understood my words. right.

[3:09:37] What else do you want.

[3:09:39] So, did you just make that yellow.

[3:09:41] Is that what we decided.

[3:09:42] And maybe get some more information on it.

[3:09:43] Yeah OK.

[3:09:45] Big Brothers Big Sisters trying to start that program back up,

[3:09:48] and they're asking for an appropriation.

[3:09:50] Does anybody hear from Big brothers.

[3:09:52] Big sisters.

[3:09:53] I don't feel like that's going to be red.

[3:09:57] Yeah I'm sorry.

[3:09:58] I'm like, that's wonderful.

[3:09:59] But if and if $5,000 is going to make or break you,

[3:10:02] this is not should have had somebody here

[3:10:05] to try to explain it to us.

[3:10:07] Well, I mean, it's a great program.

[3:10:09] Don't be wrong, but I just can't.

[3:10:11] It's a city thing.

[3:10:12] Yeah all right.

[3:10:15] Imaginarium 25,000.

[3:10:16] Once again, we think at best, that would be general funding.

[3:10:19] Oh, that's somebody's half salary.

[3:10:22]

[3:10:24] Didn't we give them for last time.

[3:10:28] We did out of TGT funding when they were looking

[3:10:31] at doing the more museum.

[3:10:33] And did they buy any of that was there after.

[3:10:36] They have not that money has been impounded.

[3:10:39] So we need to have a conversation on that.

[3:10:41] So I think until they clear that up then I'm sorry.

[3:10:44] I think I read yeah, yeah, they got to get there together.

[3:10:54] All right, now we're down to eco devo.

[3:10:58] We have the Kansas Spanish speakers at $25,000.

[3:11:01] That was OK, right.

[3:11:03] Workforce development.

[3:11:04] Which I think does fit into eco devo.

[3:11:06] Yeah that much workforce development.

[3:11:09] That's a huge increase.

[3:11:11] That's going from 0 to 25,000.

[3:11:13] Leland is here.

[3:11:14] No, no, not that one.

[3:11:15] I'm totally fine with that one.

[3:11:16] I thought you were on the FH.

[3:11:18] No, we're on the Spanish.

[3:11:20] Yeah, I'm good with that up here.

[3:11:21] OK I think they just keep it short.

[3:11:24] You're already at a green for most of it, so there you go.

[3:11:28] Don't talk yourself.

[3:11:29] Don't talk yourself.

[3:11:29] Out of 25,000.

[3:11:31] Well, it's a new request.

[3:11:33] And we're a new organization by all standards.

[3:11:36] Just this past month, we celebrated

[3:11:37] two years of being a 501(c)(3.

[3:11:39] We started as a language club.

[3:11:41] As most of you are aware, we try really hard.

[3:11:44] We do have some new commissioners,

[3:11:45] so we want to make sure we're communicating with you.

[3:11:48] But in those short two years we have quickly became

[3:11:51] very much a community development organization

[3:11:53] and in my opinion, a fairly critical and essential one.

[3:11:56] Obviously, we work predominantly with Spanish speaking

[3:11:58] population in our community, which you guys know the stats.

[3:12:01] 2010 we were 15% Hispanic.

[3:12:03] By today we're 33% of the over 1,000

[3:12:06] people that have lost their jobs in the past 18 months.

[3:12:09] My organization, which is really two gals, have seen nearly 500

[3:12:13] of those people.

[3:12:14] We've helped them with unemployment request

[3:12:15] applications, job applications, resume building, computer

[3:12:18] literacy, programming and all.

[3:12:21] Almost all of those Spanish speaking, a couple

[3:12:24] speaking, which we do our best to translate like anyone else

[3:12:27] would.

[3:12:28] But we're there for anyone and everyone

[3:12:29] that needs that assistance.

[3:12:30] But the point is our Hispanic community

[3:12:32] is being disproportionately affected by the layoffs

[3:12:34] that we're experiencing, basically

[3:12:35] because they're predominantly employed

[3:12:37] in those manufacturing roles.

[3:12:39] And our organization has been a critical lifeline

[3:12:41] to retaining them in Emporia as long as possible.

[3:12:45] Unemployment gets them another four months.

[3:12:48] Job applications get them either working back in Emporia

[3:12:51] or and I will share with you overwhelmingly,

[3:12:53] they want to remain in Emporia.

[3:12:55] They're willing to commute to Topeka or Ottawa,

[3:12:57] the warehouses or factories there.

[3:12:59] And anecdotally speaking, our organization,

[3:13:02] by admission of these individuals,

[3:13:04] has been essential in keeping them in our community.

[3:13:06] They would not have otherwise been as easily able to remain

[3:13:10] here without our assistance.

[3:13:12] Some of that's technical expertise.

[3:13:13] A lot of that is trust building.

[3:13:15] And so we went back and forth on whether to make

[3:13:18] a request to the city.

[3:13:19] But we feel strongly and confidently that this is work

[3:13:22] that we have become experts in.

[3:13:25] We enjoy assisting in this way.

[3:13:27] We want to continue doing it, but we

[3:13:29] need support in order to do it.

[3:13:31] And so that's what this request is.

[3:13:33] And it's not just the workforce development,

[3:13:36] as Trey put in the summary there,

[3:13:38] there's a whole other slew of just community

[3:13:40] integration that takes place.

[3:13:42] It's connecting people to primary care physicians.

[3:13:44] It's helping them get driver's license.

[3:13:46] All of those things factor in.

[3:13:48] Driver's license isn't just for driving,

[3:13:49] it's also for applying for jobs and immigration documentation.

[3:13:53] Make sure they have the appropriate documentation

[3:13:55] that allows them to work.

[3:13:57] All of those things help grow our pool

[3:14:00] of talent that can be employed here, that can reside here,

[3:14:02] that can rent or buy homes and pay

[3:14:04] property taxes and sales tax in our stores and all those things.

[3:14:07] And so we're proud of the work we've done.

[3:14:10] We've been excited to share it on a platform with the city.

[3:14:13] And I think this request is an Avenue for us to open up

[3:14:15] that conversation about what we're doing

[3:14:17] and how we can work together on that.

[3:14:20] OK thank you.

[3:14:22] Green green.

[3:14:23] All right.

[3:14:24] Green right.

[3:14:27] Now that changes color.

[3:14:28] It's in the right bucket.

[3:14:29] So, can I speak on behalf of imaginarium real quick.

[3:14:32] Sure sure.

[3:14:33] Yeah Who is this.

[3:14:37] So, your name and name and address, Brianna Nelson.

[3:14:42] I am the president of the Board for imaginarium.

[3:14:46] So the whole plan that they had had

[3:14:47] originally was when we got the TJ grant was

[3:14:52] to build a Children's Museum.

[3:14:55] They started working with somebody who is a business

[3:14:59] consultant based off of the Patterson

[3:15:02] group grants and everything.

[3:15:03] They have gotten decided that was not the best direction

[3:15:05] within the next five years.

[3:15:07] So the sale of the building actually happened today.

[3:15:10] And so now the focus is to bring back STEM learning to

[3:15:16] with the classes and the summer camps

[3:15:17] and everything of that sort versus the actual museum,

[3:15:22] I guess.

[3:15:24] So with that said, the money that

[3:15:25] they need now is completely different

[3:15:27] from the original Last year's.

[3:15:30] It's more so for consumable items for the kids.

[3:15:33] I mean, they're going through products

[3:15:35] frequently, especially with summer camps and everything.

[3:15:38] Reusing items it's bringing.

[3:15:42] Let's see, they have a whole list of things.

[3:15:44] Sorry it was not my favorite.

[3:15:46]

[3:15:52] No can I grab my phone.

[3:15:54] Sure yeah, sure.

[3:15:55] Yeah let's see.

[3:16:05] Do we already have.

[3:16:07] OK OK.

[3:16:08] So their whole plan is to invest in long term sustainability,

[3:16:13] to strengthen the actual foundation of the organization

[3:16:15] before moving forward.

[3:16:18] They've kind of developed now a three year fundraising

[3:16:21] plan to move forward.

[3:16:24] So this is going to be bringing in money

[3:16:25] for the different children that are

[3:16:27] in the groups, the classes, the stem, like the drop in classes,

[3:16:34] everything of that sort.

[3:16:35] They also do a adult classes to bring different stem things,

[3:16:42] since they're not being taught as much in the school system.

[3:16:45] So it's going to be more so I said,

[3:16:47] for the consumable products, supplies, different things

[3:16:50] from that source.

[3:16:51] It's also going to go towards scholarships for kids who

[3:16:54] are in the community, who have actually reached out

[3:16:56] to families, have reached out, and there's

[3:16:58] cost barriers associated with not being able to get their kids

[3:17:02] into it, but they want to.

[3:17:03] So local businesses and everything of that sort.

[3:17:07] But they want to be able to actually

[3:17:08] because they got rid of the peak foundation or the keep program.

[3:17:12] So a lot of kids weren't able to afford to be able to go

[3:17:15] to the classes and everything.

[3:17:17] So that's what the money is being requested for this time

[3:17:21] versus the original plan.

[3:17:23] So there is a difference in between them.

[3:17:25] So yeah, I think the reason we put it in red

[3:17:31] is because it just doesn't the ask that they had last year

[3:17:34] fit into one of our buckets.

[3:17:36] And this ask just simply doesn't fit into one of our buckets.

[3:17:39] So since it does bring in people from other towns,

[3:17:42] I mean, people do travel from Wichita.

[3:17:44] They travel from it's not just Emporia.

[3:17:48] There are children that are I mean,

[3:17:49] they have a vast Casey is that can we get a placer on that.

[3:17:53] Because they have I mean, they teach classes.

[3:17:55] Melanie Melanie goes to Madison.

[3:17:57] She travels and does things that brings people in.

[3:17:59] I mean, my boys do classes at imaginarium

[3:18:02] and they have kids that are.

[3:18:04] Tell us how you think that it would

[3:18:05] fit in workforce development for eco devo and/or.

[3:18:10] No, I think she's I think she's saying I understand that it

[3:18:13] doesn't fit into one of these four,

[3:18:15] but it is bringing people from outside the community.

[3:18:18] But could part of it be proven.

[3:18:20] Proven to be tgt?

[3:18:22] So if Casey could do a place here for us

[3:18:23] and we could look at it and say, Casey

[3:18:25] knows more about all of that.

[3:18:26] So we're putting it in a yellow in TGT.

[3:18:29] Maybe we do it in the blue and ask TGT to take a look at it.

[3:18:34] I have a note for it that it's going back

[3:18:36] to TGT, have them look at the place

[3:18:38] or make a recommendation on it.

[3:18:40] Sure OK.

[3:18:41] But then it comes back to us.

[3:18:43] Yes yeah.

[3:18:44] Yeah OK.

[3:18:45] Thank you guys.

[3:18:45] Maybe the request amount changes according to the data.

[3:18:49] Yeah and they can share that.

[3:18:51] Thank you.

[3:18:54] All right Amanda.

[3:18:58] Greg Amanda.

[3:19:00] Yeah the band is just here.

[3:19:02] Yes Bands are just hanging out.

[3:19:05] Bands? green.

[3:19:06] Band The band.

[3:19:08] Band is green.

[3:19:08] Green all right.

[3:19:09] Back here for the band.

[3:19:11] All right, you're green.

[3:19:12] Oh, OK.

[3:19:14] Yeah come on.

[3:19:15] You can be free whenever you want.

[3:19:16] Now you're green salad, but.

[3:19:18] Yeah Southwick or FTC.

[3:19:25] FTC is anybody here.

[3:19:26] Can I reach over you.

[3:19:28] I'm sorry.

[3:19:29] Come on up.

[3:19:30] Well, howdy.

[3:19:31]

[3:19:37] How much is it in the eco devo tech college South.

[3:19:39] One 5150 150,000.

[3:19:44] 150 I think 150 is a safe amount to stay in 150,000.

[3:19:48] And we've already spent 25 or committed.

[3:19:51] Yeah So I'm just.

[3:19:54] I know it's math.

[3:19:55] So we got 1:25 left.

[3:19:56] That would be what I would be comfortable with.

[3:19:59] OK go ahead.

[3:20:00] Go ahead.

[3:20:00] Estimation of math.

[3:20:02] Hello Nancy Thompson.

[3:20:03] I'm taking Karen Doherty's place.

[3:20:05] Forgive her for not being able to be here today.

[3:20:07] She was out of town.

[3:20:09] So we are requesting assistance with renovating our building

[3:20:14] over on the overlander road to fill our precision

[3:20:21] ag program and our CDL program.

[3:20:23] And the requests that are on the Appropriations Committee

[3:20:26] are for the ADA compliance type renovations that we have.

[3:20:31] We've had some requests for the County and some other grants

[3:20:36] out to for equipment and some of the other renovations.

[3:20:41] But that's the ADA side of what we were requesting

[3:20:45] from the city for support.

[3:20:47] Are there other questions.

[3:20:50] Aaron, weren't you with us when we cross

[3:20:52] ones came for help with their building 2 and we were like,

[3:20:55] we told them to go out and match it.

[3:20:57] And then they did not come back to us on a match

[3:21:00] because we were like, we can't fund everybody's physical.

[3:21:05] Things we want to come back to talk about Southwick

[3:21:10] and see how they pair.

[3:21:13]

[3:21:17] Yeah I'm not.

[3:21:18] Yeah you can stay here, just for a second.

[3:21:22] Yeah Karen.

[3:21:23] Aaron and thanks for the fans.

[3:21:28] Good suggestion.

[3:21:30] That was a good suggestion all the way across the board.

[3:21:32] Aaron staring in the room where Aaron, Aaron and Kara

[3:21:37] from Southwick and Aaron, I think

[3:21:39] you're going to speak a little.

[3:21:40] Yeah what do you guys want to know.

[3:21:42] How do you think it fits into eco devo?

[3:21:44] So in the comprehensive plan, specifically

[3:21:48] in the economic development section,

[3:21:50] it mentions equitable housing as a prime driver

[3:21:53] for economic development.

[3:21:55] And that's where we fit in.

[3:21:56] There's a growing gap between those who are homeless,

[3:22:00] who do not have a place to sleep tonight

[3:22:02] and however many weeks in the future.

[3:22:05] And what's considered low.

[3:22:08] Low income housing, low income renting,

[3:22:10] there's a massive gap there and we plan to bridge that gap.

[3:22:15] How were your priorities be of somebody who is homeless

[3:22:18] versus somebody who has no place to sleep tomorrow

[3:22:21] versus I'm full because everybody's

[3:22:23] on our low rent side, I guess.

[3:22:26] Are you trying to speak, Becky But do you

[3:22:28] see where I'm going with that.

[3:22:29] Like, how are you going to prioritize your clients,

[3:22:32] prioritize them.

[3:22:33] It'll be first come, first serve,

[3:22:35] and there will be some taken away for it's certain.

[3:22:42] Like aggressive.

[3:22:45] Yeah so that a lot of people will

[3:22:46] come and refer through certain community partners.

[3:22:48] Is this what you're doing.

[3:22:49] Well, who's getting turned away.

[3:22:50] There are only sex offenders.

[3:22:52] Offenders? know what I'm saying.

[3:22:53] You have, and we'll just round numbers.

[3:22:55] Your facility has all low rent people

[3:23:00] right now, which is great.

[3:23:01] Say they're all.

[3:23:02] But now we have two homeless people walking in.

[3:23:05] How do you.

[3:23:08] I think that our goal is that with the stay

[3:23:11] is only 280 days, which is meant to be a time to stabilize.

[3:23:14] So for someone who is homeless or in a low income level,

[3:23:17] it's never meant to be a permanent solution, which

[3:23:19] is intended to keep that space open,

[3:23:22] to keep spaces opening up continually.

[3:23:24] So It's not meant to be a permanent situation

[3:23:27] or permanent housing situation.

[3:23:29] It's meant to be a place where when someone is on hard times

[3:23:32] and they need just that little bit help and that little bit

[3:23:34] of stabilization maybe they've lost their job,

[3:23:37] maybe they had some type of catastrophic medical illness.

[3:23:41] They need a little time.

[3:23:43] So whether or not the space will be first come,

[3:23:48] first serve, but the goal will be for the minute someone comes

[3:23:50] in the door to get them stabilized

[3:23:52] and get them back out so that then those spaces open up

[3:23:55] for others.

[3:23:55] Yeah the idea is to turn it over,

[3:23:57] but if you're asking if we're going

[3:23:58] to have to turn people away because we're at max capacity.

[3:24:00] Absolutely well, yeah, but your whole thing for eco

[3:24:03] devo is for the lower rent.

[3:24:06] And so I'm asking, how much.

[3:24:09] 90% lower rent.

[3:24:10] Like how that would really.

[3:24:12] Yeah deal.

[3:24:13] It really depends on what the needs of the employer are.

[3:24:16] If we have more people who can't afford section 8 housing,

[3:24:20] then we're going to have to service a lot more people who

[3:24:24] are on the verge of homelessness as opposed to

[3:24:25] in that low rent category.

[3:24:28]

[3:24:32] And I'll also say that there's a lot of literature

[3:24:34] out there from HUD about stable housing

[3:24:37] and how it relates to workforce development.

[3:24:39] And that all of us sitting around the table right now

[3:24:42] have a bed to go home to at night,

[3:24:44] have a stove to cook a hot meal over.

[3:24:47] But when you're working an eight hour shift,

[3:24:49] and I know you guys are all fogged up in the brain

[3:24:52] because of how the last four hours have gone,

[3:24:55] all you want to do is go home and you want to rest well.

[3:24:58] It's pretty tough to do your job and do your job effectively.

[3:25:00] If you don't know where you're going to lay your head down

[3:25:02] at night when you get home.

[3:25:05] There's a lot of literature out there

[3:25:07] that suggests stable living supports workforce development.

[3:25:12] I would add the other factor with us, with our priority

[3:25:15] being women and families, that families tend to look different

[3:25:18] when it comes to homelessness.

[3:25:20] They don't tend as often to end up on the street.

[3:25:22] They end up, living in a car, living

[3:25:25] in someone's spare bedroom or and so

[3:25:28] that kind of brings us back to that lower income

[3:25:30] scenario versus what we like a chronic homelessness

[3:25:34] type situation.

[3:25:35] So I think that the nature of our facility

[3:25:37] will draw us back to that lower income

[3:25:40] category versus true unhoused homelessness.

[3:25:43] But we plan to be able to accept both the 85,000 we spent.

[3:25:50] Special parks that has to go to treatments, though, doesn't it.

[3:25:55] What's the.

[3:25:56] Let me have Christina look at the special alcohol state law.

[3:26:00] So one thing I will say is that we're not offering any case

[3:26:03] management, and that's fine.

[3:26:04] I'm just wondering, I'll be honest, we only have.

[3:26:07] How much did we have left, Kurt.

[3:26:09] Yeah, like 125.

[3:26:10] Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

[3:26:13] Thank you, Eric and math.

[3:26:15] And while she's looking that up, I you mentioned

[3:26:17] the crosswinds at last year.

[3:26:19] You guys had talked about them matching.

[3:26:22] We're asking for very, very, very small percentage

[3:26:25] of our overall budget.

[3:26:26] Our overall construction budget comes out to about 3.1

[3:26:29] when you account for all the indirect costs with it.

[3:26:32] But you're asking for a very, very large part of our budget.

[3:26:35] Yes so it's all relative. $62,000 of 1.5 million.

[3:26:41] We're down to $150,000 left in this fund.

[3:26:44] Yeah, there's no 051 25 now.

[3:26:47] One there's no other zeros behind here

[3:26:49] anymore because they didn't.

[3:26:52] Yeah they had to add in our other stuff.

[3:26:54]

[3:26:56] So the commission can either accept 60.

[3:26:59] You can change the amount.

[3:27:01] You can tell them respectfully know what your thoughts.

[3:27:06] Can I say one last thing.

[3:27:07] Sure in the application.

[3:27:08] Don't make me put the two minutes on.

[3:27:10] I'm sorry.

[3:27:12] In the application, I mentioned that $46,000 of it is

[3:27:16] construction for an additional fire lane that we didn't know

[3:27:18] we needed until about December.

[3:27:21] I want to say January.

[3:27:23] And last fall we had submitted plans

[3:27:25] pretty early on to the city.

[3:27:27] The plans got pushed back and forth between our design review

[3:27:30] team and the city, and ended up landing on his desk

[3:27:34] about a week before he left.

[3:27:36] So the plans kind of sat in limbo for quite some time,

[3:27:38] and we had to move forward with our plans

[3:27:41] to get them bid out on the CDBG timeline,

[3:27:44] because we didn't have enough time to actually

[3:27:47] reassess that additional cost.

[3:27:49] We bid it as an adult to our construction budget

[3:27:52] and have the contractor bid it, so we knew exactly

[3:27:54] how much was going into that.

[3:27:56] Otherwise, the alternative was probably

[3:27:58] to start chopping off rooms or go with other materials

[3:28:02] that were less costly.

[3:28:03] We weren't awarded that time to go over those budget

[3:28:06] considerations, simply because the process took

[3:28:09] so long with that fire lane.

[3:28:11] So we're asking for $46,000 in appropriations, really,

[3:28:15] for that fire lane addition, as well as an extra 16,000 of just

[3:28:19] additional construction costs.

[3:28:23] Principal purpose.

[3:28:24] How many rooms do you sleep or how many South of the house

[3:28:29] is it.

[3:28:30] Is it 12 or 14.

[3:28:31] No it's 14.

[3:28:32] Non-congregate rooms with 111 non-congregate 14.

[3:28:37] Congregate rooms with the amount of beds.

[3:28:39] Space to hold as many as 60.

[3:28:41] 60 yeah, like 060.

[3:28:45] Non-congregate is like that.

[3:28:46] One unit is basically almost like an efficiency apartment.

[3:28:49] It's kind of a self-contained unit,

[3:28:51] particularly because we'll have families and children.

[3:28:53] That allows us to have a space because everybody else

[3:28:56] shares a kitchen, shares a living space.

[3:28:58] They have their own sleeping space,

[3:29:00] but they share the showers and bathrooms.

[3:29:01] I mean, it's a separate kind of a roommate situation.

[3:29:04] Yeah it's like you're living in the dorms, right.

[3:29:05] Yeah that is you have your own room, but yeah.

[3:29:09] Are you going to have any space that is dedicated

[3:29:12] to alcohol and drug people who are

[3:29:15] in alcohol and drug treatment.

[3:29:17] Not any dedicated space.

[3:29:19] I know I'm trying.

[3:29:21] It says it's the principle you use has to be the treatment

[3:29:25] of alcohol and drug.

[3:29:28] Unless Cara has.

[3:29:29] So Cara has been our executive director since February.

[3:29:32] Oh, no.

[3:29:32] Like, end of March.

[3:29:34] End of March.

[3:29:35] And she's been working with the Kansas

[3:29:36] Housing Coalition for a while.

[3:29:38] So maybe there have been updates that.

[3:29:40] So I know that we qualify for certain drug and alcohol things

[3:29:45] under their transitional housing rules,

[3:29:46] because one of the requirements, I mean,

[3:29:48] we anticipate a significant proportion of our client,

[3:29:52] of our residents to be people with substance use treatment

[3:29:56] happening at that time or children who

[3:29:58] have been impacted by drug use.

[3:30:01] So it is an anticipated large portion of our population.

[3:30:06] But until we open the doors.

[3:30:08] I can't know what that percentage will be.

[3:30:11] We will be having an MOU with crosswinds and other substance

[3:30:15] use providers.

[3:30:16] So it's definitely a component in what we do.

[3:30:19] So is there anything in your budget

[3:30:21] that you could move out that this would fit in more

[3:30:25] into your budget in a section.

[3:30:27] You see what I'm saying.

[3:30:27] Like, can if we're like, oh, if we're going to pay, I

[3:30:31] don't 5,000 for your duck pond.

[3:30:34] So take your duck pond out and it's going to be

[3:30:36] over paid for something else.

[3:30:38] And then we slide in there.

[3:30:39] I'm trying to get you anywhere I designate one.

[3:30:42] Would designating one room specifically for that use.

[3:30:46] Christina suffice.

[3:30:47] We're looking at the Statue on the fly.

[3:30:48] Yeah it says that the money shall be expended

[3:30:52] for other services or programs whose

[3:30:56] principal purpose is alcoholism and drug abuse prevention.

[3:31:01] But that could be a program within.

[3:31:04] It doesn't have to be the sole use of the whole.

[3:31:07] That could be a piece of it and then just that piece.

[3:31:09] But that doesn't give them a full allow people to have drugs

[3:31:12] or alcohol at Southwick house.

[3:31:14] Or will you.

[3:31:14] I mean, would that somebody who is in treatment.

[3:31:16] But some 100% people will be in treatment because we've already

[3:31:20] been in conversation with in powerhouse about transitioning

[3:31:23] people out into our facility.

[3:31:25] And we have already been in conversation with crosswinds

[3:31:28] about building an MOU for their clients

[3:31:30] who are going through drug treatment.

[3:31:33] So, I mean, but that doesn't help them build a fire lane.

[3:31:36] Well, yeah, it goes to the construction

[3:31:39] of the entire I mean, it's all towards the facility.

[3:31:41] Yeah because unfortunately, a lot of the wiggle

[3:31:43] room, like for example, there were initially

[3:31:46] plans to have some things back behind the building,

[3:31:48] but with the extension of the fire lane,

[3:31:50] we have not actually had a chance to reevaluate

[3:31:52] those things either.

[3:31:54] And those would be the areas we probably would have cut.

[3:31:56] If what we'd need to do is 2027 is show that we treated

[3:32:00] someone for you, you probably need to show

[3:32:03] that you have a program.

[3:32:05] Do you and any other support services

[3:32:07] that are job skills related.

[3:32:10] For sure.

[3:32:11] And I think I mean, possibly if I

[3:32:15] think you would have to show that a certain how many

[3:32:19] and what's your total cost for the whole thing

[3:32:22] is like 3.6 for the 3.63, 3.1 for the actual construction,

[3:32:26] 3.6.

[3:32:27] And how many rooms.

[3:32:30] 3.1 and there's 15 units, 15 units, 14 non-congregate or

[3:32:36] congregate one non-congregate.

[3:32:38] Now I'm into math.

[3:32:39] Can we put them in yellow.

[3:32:40] Let's put them in yellow.

[3:32:42] And we can do some creative thinking outside the box.

[3:32:45] And that way we can move on, try to see if we're all tired, OK.

[3:32:49] See what we can do.

[3:32:49] Yeah OK.

[3:32:50] Good we're trying, we're trying.

[3:32:52] Our estimates of math are not working as well this morning.

[3:32:59] Thank you guys.

[3:33:00] Thank you.

[3:33:00] OK oh.

[3:33:03] Nancy Nancy.

[3:33:04] Yeah is Nancy it.

[3:33:07] Yeah No Cara.

[3:33:09] Cara Cara.

[3:33:10] Kara it's Renee.

[3:33:11] Yeah, they've been sitting here since the meeting started.

[3:33:15] Yeah you guys sat through the whole.

[3:33:16] They sat through everything.

[3:33:19] I should've took you up on you.

[3:33:20] Didn't have anything else to do today, did you.

[3:33:23] Not at all.

[3:33:25] No working on your house at all.

[3:33:26] Are you.

[3:33:28] Are you live there.

[3:33:30] OK nice.

[3:33:31] Yeah they're my new neighbors.

[3:33:33] Yeah oh, down the street.

[3:33:35] Yeah, I'll be honest, because I can be honest with Renee.

[3:33:40] I'm like, a parking lot is not floating my boat for the money.

[3:33:44] I mean, if we start doing it for you.

[3:33:47] Well, I want a parking lot, or I want a parking lot,

[3:33:49] or I want a parking lot.

[3:33:50] So I'll just speak to how I'm the CFO there.

[3:33:54] I respect that we were like, trying to look at,

[3:33:59] yes, it'll be a parking lot for our employees,

[3:34:01] but we are so close to Hammond park

[3:34:04] and that State Street, if you guys have driven on it,

[3:34:06] it has no curbing.

[3:34:07] No, we actually had to park on there at one point.

[3:34:10] It's pretty congested, but we thought we could open

[3:34:12] it up to evening and weekends.

[3:34:15] And we were willing to if there was an event scheduled to have

[3:34:18] that parking lot available, we're like, right by hole

[3:34:20] number 6 on that disk golf.

[3:34:22] So we ask you like we asked them, is there something

[3:34:24] else that this could fit in so that opens up the moneys for you

[3:34:29] to spend on your parking lot.

[3:34:32] Do you see what I'm trying to lay down.

[3:34:36]

[3:34:42] Because where do we have I mean, where do we have them right now.

[3:34:46] Nowhere we're floating.

[3:34:47] We're floating Floating yeah.

[3:34:52] Do you have treatment plans, though.

[3:34:53] Don't you know.

[3:34:55] You don't have.

[3:34:56] We see people with addiction.

[3:34:58] Yes but you don't.

[3:34:59] But you don't have a specific counseling services for people.

[3:35:02] They do counseling services, therapy.

[3:35:05] But yeah.

[3:35:06] Med management.

[3:35:07] Just do more Med management.

[3:35:09] How much is in special parts.

[3:35:10] Left just under 50.

[3:35:13] Sorry that's good math.

[3:35:14] Well, we were.

[3:35:15] We're trying over here.

[3:35:17] Yeah so 24,000 negative 85.

[3:35:21] It's less than 50.

[3:35:23] It's 30.

[3:35:25] Parks has to be in the parks.

[3:35:27] Special alcohol.

[3:35:28] Yes, yes, special alcohol has to be treatment.

[3:35:30] Special parks has to just be in the parks.

[3:35:32] Yeah we don't have any special parks.

[3:35:34] That's what I'm asking.

[3:35:35] Special parks.

[3:35:35] Not special.

[3:35:37] I'm sorry.

[3:35:37] Special alcohol.

[3:35:38] Giving numbers.

[3:35:39] Special special alcohol.

[3:35:40] Special alcohol.

[3:35:41] What do you guys decide on.

[3:35:43] Southwick southwick?

[3:35:45] We haven't yet.

[3:35:46] They're yellow.

[3:35:46] Yellow the special alcohol has $212,000.

[3:35:53] The receipts come through and then 85 of it's

[3:35:56] going to crosswinds.

[3:35:57] So crosswinds is already on your expenditures.

[3:36:01] She has 88 5.

[3:36:05] Yeah crosswinds and ESU are already on your sheet.

[3:36:08] OK, so if there's nothing.

[3:36:10] If Southwick's not in there, then

[3:36:11] there's 125 special alcohol.

[3:36:13] So for 124, 153.

[3:36:16] That one.

[3:36:17] How much is in special park.

[3:36:21] 25,000 I don't know what.

[3:36:23] But that's negative 15.

[3:36:26] Negative 109 we don't know what's in the 109.

[3:36:28] Kevin, have a mower.

[3:36:29] Usually Kevin has mowers and stuff.

[3:36:31] Janet is the 15 for the Municipal

[3:36:33] Band and special parks.

[3:36:35] Yes it is.

[3:36:35] And that 109.

[3:36:37] None of this other stuff, though.

[3:36:38] Then we have mowers in there for 94,000.

[3:36:41] For 94,000.

[3:36:42] So we have 25 left.

[3:36:43] Yeah correct.

[3:36:44] That's the ending.

[3:36:45] Balance is 25,000.

[3:36:46] Yes so we don't necessarily need ending balance there.

[3:36:49] I mean we have COVID.

[3:36:51] We're probably not doing Municipal Band next year.

[3:36:53] I mean, just the.

[3:36:56] Play inside.

[3:36:57] Outside yes.

[3:36:59] The location of the parking.

[3:37:00] Off street parking.

[3:37:02] I mean, we could.

[3:37:02] Yes it is.

[3:37:04] I mean, if they wanted to.

[3:37:06] I mean, we're getting creative here.

[3:37:08] I mean, if they wanted to take that space

[3:37:12] and deed it to the city as and we

[3:37:16] could call it part of the park.

[3:37:18]

[3:37:21] Then you just have a parking lot and then

[3:37:23] you just said we're maintaining it for the rest

[3:37:25] of the city's life.

[3:37:26] And that's very true.

[3:37:27] I'm Could she OK.

[3:37:29] Could she put up signs and say.

[3:37:31] Or could we do a cross easement.

[3:37:33] I guess the other thing is access park parking.

[3:37:36] We could do, what we did with.

[3:37:39] Well, when it was the community club, but we had the parking.

[3:37:43] Is pickleball parking there.

[3:37:45] We maintain that.

[3:37:47] I mean, I'm sure if we have an easement there, we'll probably

[3:37:49] be asked to fix the potholes in 10 or 15 years

[3:37:52] when we get potholes, but I don't know.

[3:37:56] I mean, would that be an MOU to do it with sos?

[3:37:59] Sos?

[3:38:00] yeah.

[3:38:01] Who do we pay for it out of parking,

[3:38:02] though, or out of parks.

[3:38:03] No, no, I don't think so.

[3:38:05] That's a Sacred Heart.

[3:38:08] Sacred Heart.

[3:38:09] We gave them a license agreement to build it.

[3:38:11] OK I believe.

[3:38:14] What did you.

[3:38:15] That was we just had.

[3:38:17] We did an easement so that it's a joint parking lot city.

[3:38:21] And I think on all of these yellows,

[3:38:26] I would encourage city staff to work with the applicants

[3:38:29] and let us think creatively what we can do there.

[3:38:34] OK trying.

[3:38:36] But unless you come up with something like the property is

[3:38:41] like it goes down the Hill and there's no parking there,

[3:38:44] but right up the street, the city has all that parking that's

[3:38:47] already built. So there's more opportunities

[3:38:49] for more parking to be built. Teresa, that's

[3:38:52] not necessarily our property.

[3:38:54] Yeah why don't Taylor and this.

[3:38:57] If you can imagine, this week's a little.

[3:39:00] A little extra.

[3:39:01] But if Taylor and I and maybe Kevin Hamlin

[3:39:03] can find time to come out and visit with you guys on site

[3:39:06] and walk in and just see if we can do some creative thoughts.

[3:39:10] OK OK.

[3:39:12] Sounds good.

[3:39:13] OK OK.

[3:39:14] Thank you.

[3:39:15] Sorry thank you.

[3:39:17] Yeah thanks for.

[3:39:18] It's been good to see you all.

[3:39:20] Well, when they were calling Mickey's name

[3:39:22] and then you're sitting there, I'm like, OK, is there.

[3:39:25] I was like, she's really here.

[3:39:27] OK yeah.

[3:39:29] Thank you.

[3:39:29]

[3:39:32] We're not done yet.

[3:39:34] What else.

[3:39:37] And while we did with Karen last time is like, Karen, we cannot

[3:39:40] build you a maintenance shed.

[3:39:41] But we can sure help you with your drainage system,

[3:39:44] is what we did.

[3:39:45] Do we want to say we can do 100 and that takes that.

[3:39:49] Do we have 100.

[3:39:50] And what.

[3:39:50] I mean, if we did 20, I mean, because we said 125,

[3:39:53] all we have left is the maybe is Southwick.

[3:39:59] What?

[3:40:00] I think we all agree.

[3:40:01] I don't know if eco devo is going to be her table of HTC,

[3:40:04] and they can come back with the rest of them.

[3:40:06] But in the meantime, work towards 100 number.

[3:40:09] Yeah get us there around 100 and see what we can do.

[3:40:12] OK OK.

[3:40:13] We're not promising it, but it's a more doable.

[3:40:16] Yeah do you want that in a form like this or just an email

[3:40:20] from Karen or Eugene.

[3:40:22] I would highly.

[3:40:23] Is it that.

[3:40:24] And that's not the one for ADA that you can't put ADA on.

[3:40:27] I mean, eco devo we can do.

[3:40:28] OK, I think we just have to.

[3:40:31] You just have to show that it's eco devo related.

[3:40:34] The CDL is highly, highly eco devo.

[3:40:37] So yeah.

[3:40:37] Yes if you're picking up what I'm laying down, I'm absolutely.

[3:40:43] And I think in this case, it's not necessarily that we're

[3:40:47] trying to justify it in a fund.

[3:40:48] I think it's just the limitation that we have on that.

[3:40:51] So revise it to closer to 100.

[3:40:53] Yeah, absolutely.

[3:40:54] We can do that.

[3:40:55] I mean the 71,000 last year was really easy to say yes to.

[3:40:58] 257 is just it is a lot.

[3:41:02] Yeah we just don't have it.

[3:41:03] Yeah and still have something.

[3:41:04] If we did if somebody wanted to reactivate Tyson or something

[3:41:07] like that.

[3:41:09] Yeah Thank you very much.

[3:41:12] Thank you.

[3:41:12] Sorry you had to wait forever for Kirk.

[3:41:14] Goes to celebrate his birthday somewhere else.

[3:41:16] I think we should bump up the transient guest

[3:41:20] tax reserves a little bit.

[3:41:23] Do we need reserves in any of those other three.

[3:41:28] We do.

[3:41:30] And we don't have any.

[3:41:32] Nothing but I think at all times we should maintain

[3:41:35] a half a million in that fund with the caveat

[3:41:38] that if we get the right economic, we will spend it.

[3:41:41] It's not for a rainy day.

[3:41:43] It's Hopkins again.

[3:41:44] And we can say, we can use this for you.

[3:41:46] Yes not for I say it's the opposite of rainy day money.

[3:41:50] It's a sunshine day if we need it for sunshine day.

[3:41:53] A special alcohol.

[3:41:55] I mean, that goes to crosswinds, I don't know.

[3:41:58] For crosswinds, would they don't have funding next year.

[3:42:01] I don't know how that impacts them.

[3:42:04] And special alcohol is not one that we have to spend.

[3:42:08] No, I mean it has to stay in that fund.

[3:42:11] What about special parks and rec.

[3:42:12] Do we have to spend that.

[3:42:14] No OK.

[3:42:15] So those are fine being 0.

[3:42:16] I just think we should up transient guest tax reserve.

[3:42:21] And I like half a million on that.

[3:42:24] Is that OK.

[3:42:26] Do you guys agree or am I crazy.

[3:42:28] What's your thinking Well, I don't know.

[3:42:32] I'd be fine with half.

[3:42:33] No, it's late in the half.

[3:42:34] I mean, I'd be OK with going up to 500 on that one.

[3:42:38] Having 500 in reserves for TGT.

[3:42:43] Because again, what if something big comes up.

[3:42:45] Well that's TGT.

[3:42:46] You have to be an investor.

[3:42:47] If you get a big visitor.

[3:42:49] Yeah what if somebody wants to put together Taylor Swift's

[3:42:55] amusement amusement park.

[3:42:57] Hey, if Taylor will sign on for 13 events,

[3:43:00] I'm going to use 13, because that's the Taylor network.

[3:43:03] I know that that's a problem, but maybe

[3:43:07] that's a discussion for a little bit farther down the road.

[3:43:10] After we've set this budget, how much we really have over.

[3:43:13] Did that feel comfortable.

[3:43:14] Should can we say we should have somebody stab.

[3:43:17] 13 is the number.

[3:43:18] We don't even have to vote.

[3:43:19] We can just agree to keep it in there.

[3:43:21] You guys agree with that.

[3:43:22] That's what I'm asking.

[3:43:24] Essentially we have 1.5 million right now in reserves,

[3:43:28] but we'll spend it on some things I know coming up.

[3:43:32] Can we have that at the next meeting.

[3:43:33] That's not going to be this long.

[3:43:35] Yeah, that's fine.

[3:43:35] And we still got executive session a third 30

[3:43:37] minute executive session.

[3:43:39] Yeah your original Friday email said no,

[3:43:41] we didn't have it was a certain member

[3:43:43] of the commission requested it.

[3:43:45] Which one.

[3:43:45] A couple of them.

[3:43:46] The one that sits in the chair at the head of the table.

[3:43:48] Yes, yes.

[3:43:50] Just checking.

[3:43:51] Well, I also thought we'd be done, like at 1:30, not 230.

[3:43:54] I don't.

[3:43:55] How long do you guys.

[3:43:55] I mean, 230.

[3:43:56] 30 minutes.

[3:43:57] Fine I have a cake down there for me.

[3:44:01] Yeah, it's a surprise.

[3:44:03] OK, then I'm OK with that.

[3:44:05] Are we going downstairs.

[3:44:06] Go downstairs.

[3:44:07] So do we.

[3:44:08] Are we going to stay.

[3:44:08] Is there anybody we can.

[3:44:10] We can stay here.

[3:44:11] No we have.

[3:44:14] Well and Eric has problems.

[3:44:16] I don't know.

[3:44:17] Yeah so do I have a motion to adjourn to executive session to.

[3:44:21] Yeah, but I'll make a motion to recess into executive.

[3:44:24] Yeah that's it.

[3:44:25] Second 20 minutes 20 minutes, 30 minutes.

[3:44:29] Because everybody wanders away.

[3:44:31] Goes to the bathroom before we get in there for 30 minutes.

[3:44:34] For 30 minutes.

[3:44:35] As soon as everybody gets in the room.

[3:44:36] How about this.

[3:44:37] Yeah, we can't do that.

[3:44:38] Permanent city staff to discuss confidential data

[3:44:40] with third party relating to the justification

[3:44:43] for the executive session is provided by KSA.

[3:44:46] 754319 1934.

[3:44:48] To protect financial affairs and trade,

[3:44:50] secrets of third parties will resume in the city commission

[3:44:54] chamber at approximately 3:10 PM and inviting

[3:45:01] members of RDA and Main Street or representatives

[3:45:05] from Main Street.

[3:45:07] Second second.

[3:45:09] Second All in favor, say Aye.

[3:45:11] Aye in a session with nothing to be decided.

[4:17:58] No action to be taken.

[4:17:59] Do I have a motion to adjourn.

[4:18:01] So moved.

[4:18:01] Second Motion.

[4:18:02] Second and we all.

[4:18:04] Aye Aye.

[4:18:06] Any opposed.

[4:18:08]

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