[0:02] We

[0:06] are a mile,

[0:12] be as well as a hotel room, a little bit north of St. George, and not here.

[0:19] Yeah, I know what it's okay.

[0:22] So we occasionally will hear a little bit about this model.

[0:28] We'll see why.

[0:34] There's nothing that a close door wouldn't take care of.

[1:05] Okay.

[1:08] Okay.

[1:10] Hey, I thought to, I thought to read yesterday about this.

[1:15] Oh, yeah.

[1:17] And I think he initially thought that when you guys said we'll move you to the end of the back so that these people have to sit through a 30-minute preparation.

[1:28] He thought that at the end of the special use section.

[1:32] Oh, no.

[1:33] He'd be like back one.

[1:35] I said no.

[1:36] I think that meant like in the meeting.

[1:40] And he wanted to know, does he need to ask for the 30 minutes?

[1:44] I think we'll just have a conversation at the very beginning and say, and we've received a request, and I mean, they can vote on it.

[2:01] At the same time that they move it to hand.

[2:03] Yeah.

[2:05] So, I almost go through.

[2:07] So,

[2:10] I'm just...

[2:11] I'm just...

[2:12] I'm just...

[2:13] To do the two times.

[2:17] I might need to touch your mouth.

[2:19] Hey!

[2:20] Oh, man.

[2:22] That's a nice thing I think all of our work will be complete.

[2:25] I think that's all I've got to do about that.

[5:25] How are you?

[5:26] How are you?

[7:57] Okay.

[8:00] I would like to call the September 17th, 2021, 26th meeting of the Board of

[8:05] Zoning Appeals to Order, will the Secretary please call the roll.

[8:13] Ms. Cabel, here. Ms. Kasha, here. Ms. Payne,

[8:21] Mr. Rudolph, here. Mr. Schettler, here.

[8:26] Mr. Zainer, Mr. Petki, and I am here to show that we have a

[8:32] So let's keep going.

[8:35] May I have a motion to approve the memorandum of the August meeting, please?

[8:41] Second.

[8:42] Second.

[8:42] I'll cast that as a motion in a second.

[8:44] Well, the secretary, please call the roll.

[8:48] Ms. Kabul?

[8:49] Yes.

[8:50] Ms. Koshra?

[8:53] Mr. Rudolf?

[8:54] Yes.

[8:56] Mr. Shetler?

[8:56] Yes.

[8:58] Mr. Petki.

[8:59] And aye vote, yes, and show that the memorandum from the August meeting is approved

[9:03] with five B.S. and zero nose.

[9:05] And now, may we please play a description,

[9:09] a recording of a description of how we proceed

[9:12] with our meeting.

[9:13] I'd like to welcome you on behalf

[9:14] of the Board of Zoning Appeals and the staff

[9:16] of the Area Plan Commission.

[9:18] The Board of Zoning Appeals is an appointed seven member board

[9:21] established by state legislature.

[9:23] It's given the responsibility to hear an act

[9:26] on all appeals requests for variants

[9:28] from the zoning code and a establishment of special uses.

[9:32] Since there are seven members of the board of zoning appeals to establish a quorum, we must have four members present in order for a petition to be approved or denied.

[9:41] You do not have four votes to either approve or deny the request.

[9:44] You have the opportunity to go before the board of the next month and be heard again.

[9:49] The denial of a petition for variance, special use, or an appeal by the board of zoning appeals, or the withdrawal of such a petition by the petitioner, shall prohibit the board.

[10:00] Resonning appeals from hearing the petition for a variance, especially use, or an appeal for the subject property, or a part thereof, for 12 months, from the day of the denial or withdrawal.

[10:12] An exception may be made upon unanimous vote of the Board of Zoning Appeals. In granting a variance or special use, the Board may set any conditions, requirements or limitations, it deems necessary, in which are appropriate to implement the principles and purposes of the zoning ordinance.

[10:28] The board keeps minutes of official actions of its proceedings, these minutes and files are public record and are kept in the area playing commission office in room 312 of civic center complex.

[10:40] When you come before us, we ask that you state your name and address into the microphone since everything is recorded and kept is record.

[10:47] This board, which by state law is a quasi-judicial body,

[10:51] that cannot be contacted by the public prior to the board's own appeals hearings,

[10:55] has jurisdiction over two types of petitions.

[10:58] One is special use and the other is variants.

[11:02] Neither of these categories is a rezoning,

[11:04] their special waivers or special conditions that this board has authorization to

[11:08] grant to the petitioner.

[11:11] A variance is an application to waive or modify certain requirements of the zoning ordinance.

[11:15] It's not a rezoning of the property.

[11:19] In order to receive approval, the following criteria must be satisfied.

[11:24] The four conditions necessary to grant a variance are summarized as follows.

[11:29] One, the approval will not be injurious to the public health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the community.

[11:37] To the use and value of the area adjacent to the property,

[11:40] included in the variance will not be affected in a substantially adverse manner.

[11:45] Three, the strict application of the terms of the zoning ordinance will result in

[11:49] practical difficulties in the use of the property.

[11:53] Four, the variance is not a variance of the use of the property.

[11:57] In our review of various requests, the zoning code establishes the criteria that must

[12:02] be applied to each petition.

[12:04] The code specifically requires that these criteria must all be met for a variance to be granted.

[12:12] The second category that we have before this board would be special uses.

[12:16] Certain uses that are necessary to the life and economic health of the community,

[12:21] but they have characteristics of the operation that do not readily permit classification and usual residential, commercial, or industrial districts.

[12:29] Special uses are secondary classifications, they're not rezoning.

[12:34] In order for a special use to be approved, the following criteria are used.

[12:38] One, whether the specific side is the appropriate location for the use.

[12:43] Two, whether the use as developed, will adversely affect the surrounding area.

[12:49] Three, whether there will be a nuisance or a serious hazard to vehicles, pedestrians or residences.

[12:54] 4, whether adequate and appropriate facilities will be provided for proper operation of the

[13:01] use.

[13:03] 5, whether the use is in harmony with the Yvesville and Vanderbilt County Comprehensive

[13:06] Plan and 6, whether the use is essential or desirable to the public convenience in welfare.

[13:13] The Board of Zoning Appeals approval or modification of a special use, classification may include

[13:19] whatever reasonable conditions, limitations or temporary uses necessary for the protection of

[13:24] public interest. To protect public interest, to ensure compliance with requirements to be

[13:30] included in the site plan, the Board of Zoning Appeals may require whatever evidence and guarantees

[13:35] are necessary to assure compliance with conditions, limitations, and temporary uses.

[13:41] There will be a ten-minute time limit for petitions, and a ten-minute opportunity for

[13:45] on stress, following that the petitioner will have five minutes for the vote.

[13:52] Okay, the next regularly scheduled meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals will be Thursday,

[13:57] October 15th, 2020 6th at 3 o'clock PM in room 301 of the Civic Center complex.

[14:06] The following petitions will not be heard this evening.

[14:08] They are docket number VAR-2026-058 at 1922 West Indian Street, also docket number

[14:17] VAR-2026-061 at 5800 Kansas Road, also docket number VAR-2026-067 at 2,200 North Bercart Road,

[14:30] also docket number VAR-2026-069 at 6,155 and 6,151 in the 9 Apple Road.

[14:39] These petitions will be continued to the October 15th, 2026 meeting.

[14:44] And one request we have is that if we are reading your application into the record to start the application,

[14:53] if the applicant could approach the podium at that time, that would be wonderful.

[14:57] And now let's move on to the first item on our agenda please.

[15:02] It has to all matters before the board today. Do you swear or affirm the testimony we will give us true and accurate to help you God?

[15:07] I do. Thank you.

[15:09] Okay, the first one we have is document number SPU-206-306 at 229 South Green River Road.

[15:17] Petitioner is Evansville, Church of God,

[15:20] represented by Husks' signs.

[15:22] Applicant Requests, especially used number 13

[15:24] for an electronic message sign.

[15:27] And this one also has a corresponding variance request,

[15:30] which we can hear testimony for at the same time.

[15:33] That one's under docket number VAR-2026-054.

[15:38] Applicant Requests, relaxation of the maximum loud height

[15:41] of a monument sign from six foot to eight point five foot.

[15:45] Relaxation of the maximum loud size

[15:47] of an on-premises electronic message sign from 18 square foot to 25 square foot and relaxation

[15:54] of the zoning code requiring an on-premises electronic message sign be located at least 200

[15:59] foot from any dwelling to allow installation of a new sign for an existing church located

[16:03] in an R1 zone. The proposed sign will be installed within 200 foot of 3 single family homes.

[16:11] All right, well everyone is here to speak on this petition forward or against it please raise your

[16:14] hands. Do you swear or affirm? The testimony will give us true and accurate self, you

[16:18] got? I do. So we have two pieces of business here. The special use in the variants will

[16:25] handle testimony at the same time, and they'll have two votes. Please start with your name

[16:31] in your address. Kipask, 530 click rest lane, Evan's Villandiana. My curse, 5411, those

[16:39] for a road channeler in the end.

[16:42] Thank you.

[16:42] You can tell us more.

[16:44] So I'm here representing a new heart church and a pastor, Mike.

[16:53] This is pretty straightforward.

[16:54] This is in a reasonably surrounded commercial area.

[16:59] It's reasonably separated from the road by a ditch.

[17:05] And that's why we had asked for the requests

[17:08] that we have in the design that we sought and if there are any questions, I'll be happy to answer

[17:14] anything.

[17:14] I have talked to Pastor Mike about having the lighting on the church controlled on the sign itself

[17:23] so that it will be dimmed after the dark hours and then after whatever period of time you

[17:32] being necessary or if anybody has any questions if they want to dark at 9 p.m. or whatever

[17:38] time that they would want we would be happy to accommodate that as well.

[17:42] Comments or questions from board members?

[17:46] Well the time being more so or less facing green river?

[17:51] Yes.

[17:51] It's not going to be at an angle or any.

[17:53] Okay.

[17:54] Anybody else?

[17:56] Are there any demonstrators about this?

[18:00] I see none, is there a motion for these special use?

[18:04] Some of?

[18:05] Second.

[18:05] We have a motion and a second for the special use.

[18:08] Please call the roll.

[18:11] Miss Cable?

[18:12] Yes.

[18:13] Miss Caution?

[18:15] Mr. Rudolf?

[18:16] Yes.

[18:17] Mr. Schettler?

[18:18] Yes.

[18:20] Mr. Petky.

[18:21] I vote yes and show the special use is approved with five yes and zero nose.

[18:25] And now, the further variance.

[18:29] Any discussion or is there a motion?

[18:33] Motion to approve the AR-2026-054.

[18:38] Can we have that it's dimmed?

[18:41] Like dusted on, because it's not otherwise it's not in the.

[18:47] With the exception that it is dimmed to ambient light conditions from dusk until dawn.

[18:55] Second.

[18:56] So that's an attached condition to the motion.

[18:59] Thank you very much in the second.

[19:00] Any comments or questions about the motion?

[19:03] Thank you very much, please call the roll.

[19:08] Ms. Kasha?

[19:10] Mr. Rudolph?

[19:12] Yes.

[19:13] Mr. Schuttler?

[19:14] Yes.

[19:15] Yes.

[19:16] Ms. Campbell?

[19:17] Yes.

[19:18] Mr. Petki.

[19:19] I vote yes, and the motion is approved with five yes and zero nose.

[19:23] Thank you very much.

[19:27] All right.

[19:27] Next, we have Dr. Number, SPU-206-007-638 East Baseline Road.

[19:34] Petitioner is tea, Scott, and Holly Whitman, represented by a read Schmidt.

[19:40] Applicant requests a special use number 15 to allow a battery energy storage system

[19:45] with extension of time to establishment of three years.

[19:50] Okay, so can I take now to explain? Okay, so I think that at the request of the

[19:55] petitioner and we had some discussion, I think last month, it should not be a surprise.

[20:00] We will ask for some additional time for testimony, and we thought that maybe it would be a good idea if that's the case, then we move it to toward the end of the meeting.

[20:09] To the end of the meeting.

[20:11] So, thanks.

[20:14] So, and it's still okay with you.

[20:16] Yes, sir.

[20:17] So, the only exception would be that there's a request from the county attorney to address this now so that he can then

[20:27] will continue with the rest of the hearing at the end.

[20:31] So we're going to open the record now,

[20:34] and we'll hear what Mr. Schottmeyer has to say,

[20:38] and then we'll table it until the end of the meeting.

[20:42] It's okay with you.

[20:44] Yes, Mr. Stone.

[20:45] OK.

[20:45] That was my understanding.

[20:47] Do we need a motion and a vote?

[20:49] I think Mr. Schottmeyer, if he wants to come up

[20:52] and give his part of it, then we will have a motion

[20:56] to table it until the end of the meeting,

[20:59] but also to grant the 30 minutes requested by the petitioner

[21:03] for their presentation.

[21:06] Thank you.

[21:07] Thank you for the accommodation.

[21:09] Attorney Mike Schott, myer,

[21:11] Condeson and Con, here on behalf of the Van Vercan and Commissioners.

[21:15] I forgot.

[21:17] Yeah.

[21:17] What's going on?

[21:18] You swear for him to let you give.

[21:20] It's true in accuracy, I hope you got.

[21:22] I have a license, yes.

[21:24] But I'm not going to lose just one of this man, yes, thank you.

[21:30] So this is, I'm not going to say it's a can to the Economic Development Project we had

[21:37] with the solar eight or nine months ago, but it isn't economic development project.

[21:43] It's a little bit different.

[21:45] Normally, economic development projects, we just finished a large one of this can, called Tailor

[21:49] They come to government when they're going to employ lots of people and invest lots of money and have, you know, a substantial benefit to our community.

[22:01] They will ask for incentives to be paid to them or or compensation to be given to them or in the case of what we've been doing a lot of lay lays building housing,

[22:14] where we use money from the state, sometimes from the fad, and we distribute that to

[22:20] and do that housing.

[22:22] This is the opposite of that, and this is where the economic development is not asking for

[22:28] money.

[22:29] They're asking, because these projects are somewhat controversial, because they're new,

[22:34] and they're, you know, anything that's new.

[22:37] The unknown people tend to have questions about rightfully so, and that's the province of

[22:43] this body, this body cannot be lobby.

[22:45] So view are essentially like the courts that dirt can I have to go to.

[22:50] We have to present an open courtroom.

[22:52] So it's important for you to know the evidence that's before you, rather than here,

[22:56] from either side that's going to come in front of you and I'll describe that evidence.

[23:03] We've been negotiating with RWE, the end user on this project for months and months and

[23:11] And then negotiations have gone back and forth where we've secured better and better deals for the taxpayers.

[23:18] So I hope everyone understands that we've got to fund government just like we many of us up here have businesses.

[23:24] You can't grow business by cutting expenses. Eventually you'll go out of business.

[23:28] So that's how you're going to live.

[23:30] And that's kind of the state we're in in government right now in local government.

[23:34] Because Senate Bill won and other things that exist and it's very difficult.

[23:38] So, it's important that government always be involved in economic development, which our government is,

[23:45] and out there pursuing new investments that create tax-based, new tax-based, which, of course,

[23:53] do through housing in a sense.

[23:55] So, this is an example of that project.

[23:57] What is it?

[23:58] It's $200 million.

[24:00] To give you scale, you've seen the celebrations we've had over Taylor made.

[24:04] This is 4x Taylor made size.

[24:07] Taylor made, we had tax phaset, tax payment, we had to give them some of the tax money in order

[24:15] to induce that facility to stay here and it provides a lot of jobs, certainly more jobs

[24:21] in this, although I'll let them talk to you about the jobs.

[24:25] So they agreed to no tax phaset and we required that and so they won't be here seeking a phaset

[24:32] and that's a giant in economic development world, most do.

[24:35] Number two, they've agreed to pay a $250,000 vance payment

[24:39] once the project starts, payable over three years.

[24:44] Number four, or number three excuse me,

[24:46] maybe the biggest one of them all.

[24:48] Under Senate Bill, again, we're making it harder

[24:51] to run local government, my opinion, just my opinion.

[24:55] Because it's hard to find revenues, new revenues that exist.

[24:59] Sure.

[25:00] Only home buildings, one of them, but there's limits on that, because we keep cutting taxes on homes.

[25:08] We've put in place a 30% floor on the depreciation, so one of the issues you have on manufacturing

[25:16] or, in this case, equipment that covers peak load, which is a giant issue for utilities.

[25:22] this is a new way to cover peak loads,

[25:25] critical to us, it's really non-pluding.

[25:32] That 30% floor is huge,

[25:34] so that means in year five, six, seven, eight, nine,

[25:39] ten, we'll continue to recover large tax funds

[25:42] off this property, and then like all technology,

[25:45] they prior to replace it.

[25:47] More often than we do our homes,

[25:48] most of our homes, unless we were model, right Bill,

[25:51] Our homes are 40 year property interdeprecating the whole 40 years or commercials depreciating even faster.

[25:57] This this won't and it has a floor on it.

[26:00] So it'll provide an enduring substantial tax base.

[26:04] In other words, new revenue to help fund our schools fund our fire and our place and everything else.

[26:10] So finally, number four, the difference in this and other economic development projects important for you know.

[26:16] negotiation is done. Obviously you're a key link to it. And that's a decommission agreement.

[26:27] There's always this issue with, you know, we don't do it with houses. We end up

[26:32] having to pay to tear down the old houses and to get obsolete on taxpayer money. But here

[26:37] on a project of the like this, through third party bond, we put in place if this should go

[26:42] I'm sure people will tell you it will go obsolete then it has to be decommissioned and taken

[26:49] down and no costs of the county and that safeguards in place.

[26:54] This is the check and balance that was put in place for these kind of projects a few years

[26:58] ago so I'll leave it with that if there's any questions on the government side of it I'll

[27:04] be happy to try and answer if I can.

[27:07] Good John Mike, are there questions?

[27:08] Yeah, I didn't. What were you talking about replacement?

[27:15] You said you were listening, you started

[27:17] to talk about replacement, and I didn't follow where you went with that. So, it's got a 30%

[27:22] depreciation for what they do, nothing. If they replace, and that's what happens with manufacturers,

[27:29] when they put new equipment in, then you go back up. So, your 30% floor doesn't always stay

[27:34] because like our office, I mean, we get three years out of a computer now, you know, we're

[27:41] putting in new computers, manufacturers and I don't know the battery industry, but I'm sure

[27:47] the battery industry there, things become obsolete, you know, batteries just keep improving.

[27:51] And so when they put that in, we'll not be stuck with the 30% we'll go back up to hopefully

[27:57] 200 million or more, where we'll start.

[28:00] So again, this is a giant revenue source, they don't come very often,

[28:07] I just, it's important

[28:09] for you as you vote, you know, you're taking into account obviously at aspects of the project

[28:15] and the neighbors and the risk and all of that, but you also have to take, I hope you'll take

[28:21] into account, we have to raise revenue as a government and it's always hard, so that's what

[28:28] We've negotiated, and I will tell you it's unusual to have this kind of negotiation.

[28:34] We seem to be getting it on technology projects.

[28:38] So I'm not going to just say it's this one, technology projects for whatever reason are willing

[28:44] to pay more and not ask for tax phasing.

[28:47] So that's good.

[28:49] Anybody else?

[28:51] Yep.

[28:52] Mike.

[28:52] you said just a giant revenue source, and I can't that there will be initial construction

[28:58] jobs, maybe full-time jobs at the site, et cetera, property taxes. So under the headline

[29:08] that there are stupid questions, where's the revenue come from?

[29:13] The revenue comes from the county getting its money.

[29:16] The assets, so property tax are the primary, one of our primary forms, the way three ways

[29:22] We find government income taxes, which we all dislike, sales taxes, which are not very fair.

[29:28] And then property taxes and a lot of people don't like those.

[29:31] Currently in the waves of government to stay property taxes are being pushed aside, and in some states don't have income taxes.

[29:41] So, it's property taxes.

[29:43] So, $200 million investment results in.

[29:47] I'll venture to say they'll be a top 10 property tax payer the minute they open.

[29:53] So I would put them at Costco.

[30:00] We've lost some, and we've lost a lot of big, you know, whirlpool was a big loss. So, just mainly through property taxes.

[30:10] I'm not, I'm a little like them talk about the jobs and, I mean, there is a construction aspect of this. It's a little bigger than I understand, I'll let that that's for them.

[30:20] But our job's property taxes, that's primarily what funds our local government is property taxes and income taxes,

[30:30] very little in sales tax, the state seems to keep most of that.

[30:34] We have some sales taxes we keep, they're very important food and beverage, which funds the Convention Center largely,

[30:42] or excuse me, funds the Ford Center right now and then hotel taxes which fund most of our recreational facilities around us.

[30:51] So will the property taxes greatly increase with this facility there over what the current owner is paying?

[30:59] That's my point, exactly. Yes, in a huge way.

[31:03] That's why we enter the contract with them is they're going to talk about it and I just want to verify for you that has been done.

[31:15] They're going to I'm sure Kuh and talk about we're not asking for tax phase and I'm here to verify

[31:22] Those contracts have been negotiated and we have them in hand

[31:26] Okay, so thank you. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm leaving. I'm not staying for the presentation, but

[31:32] It's important that you know the facts and

[31:35] That's what's been presented in front of the commissioners is on their last meeting

[31:40] So yeah, it's here to represent the county and the commissioners, right?

[31:43] Yeah, but I Bill would know more of them, maybe me, but I'm pretty sure it'll be top 10

[31:49] tax payer the minute they come online on property tax.

[31:54] Mike real quick, just to get it on the record, I know Reed can address this as well,

[31:59] but I mean, to like we'd also point about the property tax, the difference in the property

[32:04] tax, part of that has to do with the caps and my correct, because it's going to be moving

[32:09] from one use to a different use.

[32:12] Right. Now, our 30% floor will come out of the cap as part of the negotiation. The cap

[32:18] aren't the biggest thing. It's the cuts. Senate Bill Juan has the cuts. I'm heard

[32:23] Grant Benimer County won't be as bad off as other counties, but it's going to have

[32:28] a fact. So it's just the state government is Indiana. I have despite a few of my colleagues

[32:34] will get up here and tell you, Indiana, we have home rule. We don't have home rule. I'm a former

[32:39] State Board of Accounts attorney, and Indiana, we do what we do in this building at the

[32:44] best of the state of Indiana.

[32:47] And the state of Indiana, we can't go out and decide we're going to have a new property

[32:51] tax without the state of Indiana pound the gavl and approving it.

[32:56] So it's just the nature of running local government and such as Indiana, most states are set

[33:01] up that way.

[33:03] All right.

[33:04] Anything else?

[33:05] Anybody else?

[33:05] Mr. Mike.

[33:06] So you said the 250,000 advance payments,

[33:08] so that's an advance payment towards those properties

[33:10] access for three years?

[33:11] Nope, it's on top of.

[33:12] It's an addition too.

[33:14] So instead of, let's go into our housing projects

[33:17] when we work on, there's like four or five of them

[33:20] we're inducing right now, you've voted on some of them.

[33:23] Sorry to, I remember, we gave, for example, North Burkhardt.

[33:28] We gave them five, we gave them five million dollars

[33:32] to build that project.

[33:34] Here, they're giving us money on top of the property tax and no tax phase in.

[33:40] There's a roadway agreement in here as well, that that's pretty standard in any large

[33:44] project.

[33:45] I wouldn't call that anything unusual.

[33:48] I don't foresee, I suppose the batteries are heavy when they bring them in.

[33:52] If they damage the road, they have to repair it, and that you had the same thing on other

[33:58] large manufacturing projects, and we had the same thing.

[34:02] pretty sure on Taylor May. And then you said negotiation is then so county commissioners,

[34:08] everybody's on board and you guys have already had discussion. They haven't voted on it. They

[34:14] wouldn't. They're waiting on our decision. But it's been presented to them and they've been involved

[34:22] ever set for the way all three of them. So it doesn't mean, you know, it comes on to vote. They could

[34:27] change of vote,

[34:30] but the hearing, the key was, were the labor, you should have

[34:35] what? The question was, labor stood up, they support these projects like this

[34:40] across the state, is will it, will they sign a contract with the labor unions?

[34:45] You can ask them that question, but that's what was in front of the commissioners.

[34:48] I think it was the only comment that was made.

[34:50] Thank you.

[34:52] We then? We got it? So thank you. Thank you for being here. Yeah, thank you Mike. Thank you.

[35:00] So if there is now a motion to table this until the, to put it after the last variance petition, but also the request is to grant the petitioner 30 minutes and rather than the normal amount of time.

[35:15] And then could we have also 10 minutes for any of that.

[35:19] That's part of the, if somebody wants to make that motion, you can say so moved.

[35:24] Would that include 30 minutes for demonstrators?

[35:30] That's going to be up to you.

[35:33] No one has made that motion.

[35:34] I think I don't even know if there are remarks.

[35:36] Right.

[35:36] I think it was up to 30 minutes for the petitioner.

[35:39] Up to 30 minutes for the demonstrator.

[35:42] And then we could fill in questions right after the demonstrators' time.

[35:48] That sounds good.

[35:48] Because answering questions, I think everybody needs to be heard, I think that's new to say.

[35:53] So is there a motion to that effect, 30, 30 plus?

[35:56] Let's move it.

[35:59] Second.

[35:59] Is there a second?

[36:00] Okay.

[36:00] Please call the roll.

[36:04] Ms. Kasha?

[36:05] Yes.

[36:06] Mr. Rudolf?

[36:07] Yes.

[36:09] Mr. Schettler?

[36:10] Yes.

[36:13] Ms. Kabel?

[36:15] Mr. Petky.

[36:16] I vote yes and show that it is that motion is approved with five.

[36:19] Yes.

[36:20] your notes, so we'll see you at 12. Thank you.

[36:22] Thank you. All right. Next item.

[36:27] Last one we have under special uses is stock at number

[36:30] SPU-2026-008. At 315-style T-Couple Avenue,

[36:36] Petitioner is Koodle Bob's Doggy Daycare represented by

[36:40] John Casey and Ali Dix.

[36:42] Applicant requests a special use number 25 to allow

[36:45] a use in use group 19 for a dog daycare, approval should be limited specifically to these specific

[36:53] proposed use to prohibit any of the other uses listed in use group 19.

[36:57] So somebody here representing please come forward.

[37:01] Well, everybody who's here to speak on this petition raise your right hand, please.

[37:06] You swear or affirm the testimony will give us true and accurate self-decott?

[37:09] Thank you.

[37:11] Thank you.

[37:11] Please for the record.

[37:12] Tell us your names and addresses.

[37:14] Allidics, 4 to 615, Mr. Park Drive.

[37:18] My name is John Casey, 4 to 615, Mr. Park Drive.

[37:22] Thank you very much.

[37:22] Okay, you want to tell us a little bit of background,

[37:25] or anything more than she did.

[37:27] She read it into the record.

[37:33] The property at 315 cell, T-Copel.

[37:37] It's basically a empty warehouse right now.

[37:41] It's approximately 4,200 square feet of indoor space.

[37:43] This allows us to keep the majority of our operations indoors while still providing dogs with

[37:49] supervised outdoor exercise and bathroom breaks.

[37:52] It also gives us the space to operate safely and responsibly placing unnecessary impact

[37:58] on the surrounding properties.

[38:00] We also understand that concerns that come with a dog daycare business, particularly noise,

[38:06] sanitation traffic, and safety.

[38:09] We've taken those concerns seriously in planning our facility.

[38:12] Dogs will be supervised, waste will be disposed of properly.

[38:16] Outdoor activities will be controlled, and we will work to make sure our operation remains

[38:22] clean, safe, respectful to our neighbors.

[38:25] So again, we believe that the properties well suited for our proposed business.

[38:31] Does the Board have any comments or questions?

[38:36] What is there a border or an agency that would oversee your compliance with health matters and

[38:46] cleanliness issues?

[38:48] We do need to get a permit from the animal care control before we get up in it.

[38:55] I think if somebody came in there and their dog was maltreated or things are uncleaned for

[39:01] Pat, they do have a place they can go to for complaints.

[39:08] I don't know.

[39:09] I can answer that.

[39:10] Yeah, that's where people complain about things like that as they would take it to animal control.

[39:15] Okay.

[39:16] Okay.

[39:16] They go to animal control.

[39:18] Okay.

[39:19] Well, the least will be looked at by city engineers.

[39:21] It's already been done at Secretary.

[39:24] Okay.

[39:26] And beyond that, they would, I mean, it can be referred to the police department if there's

[39:30] cool tea or neglect that sort of thing. Thank you. All right. Are there any

[39:35] remonstrators about this? I see none. Is there a motion to approve?

[39:40] I'm moved. I'll take that as the motion in a second. Please call the roll.

[39:46] Mr. Rudolph? Yes. Mr. Schettler? Yes. Miss Cobble? Yes. Miss Kasha? Yes. Mr. Petky? I vote yes and show it is approved

[40:00] Thank you very much. Thank you. Next item.

[40:05] All right. First item under variances, document number VAR, desk 26, desk, desk, desk, desk, desk,

[40:14] desk, desk, 041, at 1113 West Columbia Street, petitioner is law lease pops. Publicary requests,

[40:20] relaxation of the zoning code to allow gravel parking in lieu of paid parking for an existing gravel

[40:26] parking area, partially installed without permits.

[40:29] This is the second variance requested for this site,

[40:31] following a previous approval for two years only.

[40:35] The applicant has proposed no time limits to pay for this request.

[40:39] All right, well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition

[40:41] for our guests, please raise your right hand.

[40:44] You swear to affirm the testimony,

[40:45] you will give us true and accurate selfie-god.

[40:47] I do.

[40:48] Thank you.

[40:48] Matt Layman, our Layman and son, Consulting 85, 22,

[40:51] Esther, Lane, and Evansville.

[40:54] Todd, meagar, 603, Adam's Avenue.

[40:59] So, this is the former Trony's building on Columbia Street, somewhat across the street from the civic theater there.

[41:11] Mollipops is seeking to gravel this back area for their five required parking stoles, which pulls it off of a gravel alley way.

[41:21] I'm basically going to leave it as it's been for many, many years we didn't believe

[41:26] and get a, we couldn't find anyone that knew when that was put in, it's been there

[41:31] for a long time.

[41:32] That girl has, he recently approved one for the Civic Theatre across the street.

[41:39] And so, we've just asked that you would take the consideration and please bless us with

[41:46] this approval.

[41:47] Were there any violations with this man besides what they were talking about other than the lot yeah

[41:55] Not to my knowledge. Okay. Are there comments or questions from board members?

[42:01] Yeah, I have a question

[42:03] What's your is your

[42:05] This is predominantly resale or hold or wholesale retail or wholesale?

[42:10] Well, we don't we're not open to the public. Okay

[42:13] The only thing that parks in back there is one 16-foot ice cream truck, nothing else, everybody else parks out on the street.

[42:23] To the honest, we out grew that we've been there, this is our third season.

[42:27] We out grew that building the first year we were there.

[42:30] The whole mix-up came through, we had put an offer in on a building on the North Main, didn't get it.

[42:37] So we went back and we were like, well, can we get a stay on this?

[42:42] because we were looking at maybe getting

[42:44] graver to come out, put a building in, like,

[42:47] why put down concrete?

[42:48] We're going to have to rip it up and put

[42:50] in funding and all that fun stuff.

[42:53] So we've got, we haven't accepted offer on another building,

[42:57] but now we've got environmental reports and fun things like that.

[43:00] So that's where we're at right now.

[43:02] And that was kind of, it was my fault.

[43:05] I kind of left up the stuff, go, and the bonal vacation.

[43:08] And we were, summertime is our crazy time.

[43:11] And I'm going to, I'm going to leave some behind to be.

[43:16] We're still catching up.

[43:17] So I guess that that primary thought was minimal traffic

[43:20] in and out to create dust or it's me and my mom and my hands.

[43:24] That was it.

[43:26] Anybody else?

[43:28] Bill.

[43:29] Um,

[43:32] you know, it looks like you're asking that you get this stone

[43:35] lot forever or indefinitely.

[43:39] Generally, we're reluctant to do that, I think, we might give some consideration to a time limit on that.

[43:49] And secondly, do you have any plans to improve the stone water just leave it as it is?

[43:54] In all fairness, I didn't.

[43:56] So this was my first time ever buying a piece of commercial property.

[44:01] So I didn't know how any of this stuff worked.

[44:03] I didn't even know I could request one in two years.

[44:05] I just, that was what they defaulted to whenever they, whenever I put it in.

[44:10] I probably would have requested more that particular building was just kind of a stepping stone

[44:17] for us. I need three or four thousand square feet right now. We're at 800. I mean, we are like,

[44:25] it looks like Wayne's appliances are my building right now because it's just nothing but

[44:31] And we're like this, moving stuff to get set out.

[44:34] So like I said, we're looking at a property that's like 5,000 square feet right now.

[44:43] I have put $50,000 in that building, and it's not even hardly worth that.

[44:49] But that's what I wanted to own after the horrible experiences of out-of-state land, retail

[44:55] landlords, you know, like trying to get stuff cleaned and

[45:04] So, I don't really want to put any more money into it. If we can get this building deal done, that building will go up for sale shortly after.

[45:13] Whose responsibility is it to take care of the stone locked? And I asked that because it's really overgrown with a lot of grass and you can see stone here and there, but for the most part grass is grown that looks rather incitely.

[45:29] Yeah, once again, I didn't know that I was supposed to, you know, that you could mix

[45:34] like salt and things like that, and with that to keep that from growing as much.

[45:37] When we did have, we did have a layer put down.

[45:40] I had two tons put down, but, you know, the crabgrass just takes over.

[45:47] So I don't, once again, I'm constantly behind, as far as that, you know, to go out there

[45:55] and pick grass out every two weeks, you know what we mean.

[45:59] Well, there are sprays.

[46:01] You can mow your grass out, I don't want.

[46:03] Or you can mow, yeah, there are a lot more than sprays.

[46:06] I'm just saying it looks rather unsightly

[46:08] and I'm concerned about saying, you know,

[46:11] we can make the stone forever or indefinitely.

[46:15] I'd like to.

[46:16] I will point out the site plan that's included

[46:19] only shows the one lot to the east.

[46:23] It does not show the lot to the West for most of the stone is that has the grass growing.

[46:30] And this was how it was permitted, just like this.

[46:33] So what was put down on that other lot was put down whenever a home that was there was raised.

[46:40] I don't even know how long ago it was.

[46:42] But it was before he leased the property originally.

[46:46] So that was never permitted as a parking lot.

[46:48] But if you do approve the variance as it's requested, then they would be able to install a gravel parking lot there.

[47:02] So technically the only gravel parking area that's been permitted is behind the building.

[47:08] Okay, but it's the stone area to the west is part of this property, correct?

[47:16] And it is included in the request.

[47:18] It's not permitted.

[47:19] Three, I'm sorry, did you have something?

[47:21] No, back.

[47:22] Okay.

[47:23] Becky, don't be clear to.

[47:24] Okay, good.

[47:25] Are there any remonstrators about this?

[47:28] I see none.

[47:31] Is there a motion?

[47:33] I would like to make the motion to approve as long as the ownership remains with

[47:38] lollies.

[47:39] Is that?

[47:40] Yeah, as long as the use remains with the business.

[47:44] So there's a different business team in that are more traffic.

[47:47] That's correct.

[47:48] I would second that.

[47:50] So we have a motion.

[47:51] You see the, you're not the owner, are you?

[47:53] You see, owner of the business, not the owner of the land.

[47:57] We're talking about the owner of the business.

[48:00] I'm buying an on contract.

[48:03] Yeah, that's fine.

[48:06] Do I need to, I mean, that to for this business, hon.

[48:09] You just did.

[48:10] Thank you.

[48:10] And can you say that one more time?

[48:14] Great the variance.

[48:16] No.

[48:17] I'm sorry.

[48:18] Good.

[48:20] Good.

[48:20] You're fine.

[48:21] Great.

[48:22] For this business only.

[48:26] You're second to that.

[48:27] Is that what we were saying?

[48:29] I'll second that.

[48:31] Please call the roll.

[48:36] Mr. Schettler.

[48:38] Yes.

[48:41] Ms. Campbell.

[48:43] Ms. Kasha? Yes.

[48:44] Mr. Rudolf?

[48:45] Yes.

[48:46] Mr. Petky.

[48:47] I vote yes.

[48:47] and show that that motion is approved with 5 bs and 0 now.

[48:51] Thank you.

[48:52] Good luck.

[48:54] All right.

[48:54] Next, we have a document number VAR.

[48:56] Guess 26 to 055 at 2301 Saint Joseph Industrial Park Drive.

[49:02] Petitioner is S.J. I.P. L.L.C. represented by Morley Corp.

[49:07] Applicant request relaxation of the required 8 foot opaque fence surrounding outdoor storage areas

[49:13] to legally establish existing site conditions and start without permits.

[49:18] Sir.

[49:20] Pink.

[49:27] I feel like I'm there.

[49:30] Must be a big one.

[49:31] I have extra color.

[49:33] All right.

[49:34] Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition

[49:35] or present photos.

[49:37] Please raise your right hand.

[49:39] You swear or affirm the testimony we'll give

[49:41] and the photos that you provide.

[49:42] We'll be true and accurate.

[49:44] So I'll be gone.

[49:45] General.

[49:47] General.

[49:47] project engineer. So we are seeking a variance today for the eight-foot-of-paked fence

[49:55] around outdoor storage. This is an existing facility.

[50:00] On the really cool exhibit, along St. Joe Avenue, kind of up near Motopark. And there is kind of in this pink area. They want to have outdoor storage. It is for a current. There's a plastic company there now, and they've been there a long time. And to be honest with you, they've been storing outside for 20 to 30 years, because they didn't know they couldn't store outside without a no-pake fence.

[50:30] And now we're going through site review for an expansion and that's where this got brought up.

[50:38] And because it sits on Locus Creek, Locus Creek has what's called a floodway on it.

[50:45] And you can't put a chain length fence or an opaque fence either one in the floodway.

[50:52] And so instead of that, we are seeking variants from the chain length fence.

[50:57] And instead, if you look on this side, you'll see kind of across the north and west side.

[51:06] There's about a hundred-foot thick tree buffer along Locus Creek.

[51:10] And then up along the roadway, there's some existing trees that have been planted.

[51:16] And then we're going to plant more trees kind of where those green bars are to help make it more aesthetically pleasing.

[51:24] I did talk to the owner and the owners here today, also, and he said in 20, 30 years, nobody's ever complained and said, hey, we don't like your outdoor storage.

[51:34] Just be honest, he didn't know he couldn't do it.

[51:37] Right.

[51:38] Comments your questions.

[51:41] Are there any remonstrators about this?

[51:45] I've seen none.

[51:45] Is there a motion to approve?

[51:48] A motion to approve.

[51:50] Second.

[51:51] Please call the roll.

[51:55] Miss Kasha?

[51:56] Yes.

[51:57] Mr. Rudolf?

[51:58] Yes.

[51:59] Mr. Schuttler?

[52:01] Yes.

[52:02] Ms. Cabo?

[52:04] Yes.

[52:04] Mr. Petky.

[52:05] I vote yes and show it's approved with five yes and zero nose.

[52:08] Thank you.

[52:08] I appreciate it.

[52:12] Okay. Next we have talking number VAR-26-056 at 7475-Viggs and the Anna Road.

[52:20] Petitioner is Craig and Jenna Conflur,

[52:23] represented by Craig Emeag.

[52:25] Applicant requires relaxation of the zoning code to allow an accessory structure to be taller than the main structure, the residents.

[52:32] Relaxation of the minimum required front yard setback of an accessory structure located in front of the main residential structure from 200 foot to 43 foot.

[52:42] And relaxation of the minimum required front yard green space from 25 foot to 0 foot to allow construction of a 188 square foot 24 foot tall pole barn.

[52:54] The new accessory structure will exceed the height of the residents by eight foot.

[52:59] All right. Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it or

[53:02] I guess it please raise your right hand. You swear or affirm the testimony it will give us through an accurate

[53:07] soapy God. Yeah. Thank you.

[53:10] Name is an addresses, please. Craig, I make attorney at Condy's Donna Renecon, 501 Main Street.

[53:19] Craig Conkler, 74 75 big Cynthia in a row.

[53:22] We don't have a lot to add to this other than it's like correction.

[53:28] The height is going to be just under 21 feet, not 24 feet.

[53:34] It is still higher than the principal building.

[53:37] The circumstances of this is that it's a single family ranch style house with an attached

[53:42] barrage.

[53:43] The conchlers are looking to build an accessory building to have more storage.

[53:50] They are going to connect it to their existing driveway and with the layout of the property and

[54:00] a long, big scintiana.

[54:01] There's a culvert that runs, that their driveway runs over, there's a ditch along scintiana.

[54:07] So putting it anywhere else would add another, essentially they'd have to add another access point.

[54:15] So they are proposing to add it to their existing driveway which would then require them to expand the driveway.

[54:25] They have, in fact, already laid gravel as you can see the picture.

[54:31] Also, there is a note that a new site plan because of there's a question about the boundaries.

[54:37] Now, on the GIS site, there's a warning on there that says, do not take these GIS labels as gospel because they can be off.

[54:47] And this is a perfect case example. I went out there this afternoon, walked that and there is significantly more area.

[54:55] There is at least, I would say, would you say five or ten feet?

[55:00] On where do that gravel ends?

[55:01] On the closer to 10 to 12 feet of the property line beyond where that gravel is. So where that green line is is not very close to the actual property line.

[55:15] But other than that, I don't have any other statements to make, and I'd be happy to address any questions.

[55:21] Do you talk to your neighbors at all?

[55:24] And everybody's funny with it, especially the one to the south of me,

[55:29] but we talk pretty regular.

[55:31] And he's he can care less out as long as it's within, you know,

[55:35] a foot from a property like he doesn't care.

[55:37] Yeah, okay.

[55:38] And I did print off just for comparison.

[55:41] I can show this.

[55:42] This is an expanded view of the general vicinity and this shows the number of

[55:49] variances that have been granted.

[55:51] if you go, if you drive out there or zoom out even of yours, as you can see directly to the south, there is a lot of large accessory.

[56:01] Accessory buildings out there. This is not something that's uncommon for the neck of the woods.

[56:10] Are there any demonstrators about this? I see none. Is there a motion?

[56:19] Second. Please call the roll.

[56:22] Mr. Rudolph?

[56:24] Yes.

[56:24] Mr. Schettler?

[56:25] Yes.

[56:27] Ms. Cable? Yes. Ms. Kosha? Yes. Mr. Peckie?

[56:33] I vote yes. So it's approved with 5bs and 0nose. Good luck. Thank you.

[56:41] All right. Next we have docked number VAR-206-057 at 1237 Vision Court.

[56:48] Petitioner is cross-point properties group LLC represented by

[56:52] Alley's signs.

[56:54] Applicant request relaxation of the maximum number of on-premises signs

[56:58] from 2 to 3 for insulation of an additional sign for an existing business

[57:04] in a multi-tenit strip center.

[57:07] All right, well everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it

[57:09] or against it, please raise your right hand.

[57:11] You swear or refer on the testimony, would you give us true

[57:13] and accurate help you got?

[57:15] I do.

[57:15] Thank you.

[57:16] My name is Kayla Rodenberg. I'm with Al B signs. We're at 1310-507 north of the highway,

[57:24] and I'm representing Schneider Financial, and so in that zone they are in a C2,

[57:33] which only allows two signs at 400 square foot. This would be three signs, and we would still be

[57:40] that 400 square foot. It would just be at 237. This is a smaller sign compared to the other

[57:47] two signs. So basically, if you have seen the location, it would look more piezing if there

[57:57] was a third sign because there's three angles from where you're looking at. So it kind of gives

[58:05] more of a visual aspect from people that are going to like Costco, you know, where they are

[58:12] located. Any questions? Are there any demonstrators about this? I see none. Is there a motion?

[58:22] So, move. Second. Please call the roll. Mr. Schetler? Yes. Miss Kabul? Yes. Miss Kasha? Yes. Mr. Rudolf? Yes.

[58:34] Mr. Petky.

[58:35] I vote yes.

[58:36] And so that's approved.

[58:37] With five yes.

[58:37] You're now.

[58:37] Thank you.

[58:40] Next is dog number VAR-26-059 at 9800-Monsroad.

[58:46] Petitioner is Jeffrey Kerchoff.

[58:48] Applicant requests for relaxation of the minimum required front yard setback of an accessory structure

[58:53] located in front of the principal residential structure from 200 foot to 70 foot.

[58:59] To allow construction of a new pole barn closer to Monsroad than the existing residence.

[59:03] All right, well everyone who's here to speak on this petition forward against it, please raise your right hand.

[59:10] Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give us through an accurate selfie God?

[59:13] Yes.

[59:13] Thank you.

[59:15] Please take care of yourself.

[59:16] 9800.

[59:17] Both wrote.

[59:18] Great.

[59:20] And you're doing an accessory structure.

[59:22] Yes.

[59:23] And I'm having to do this because behind the house it's all in the blood claim.

[59:27] Yes.

[59:28] So it's the only spot I have to build.

[59:31] You talked to your neighbors.

[59:32] And they all were alright with it.

[59:35] Any comments or questions from board members?

[59:38] Are there any demonstrators about this?

[59:41] Is there a motion to approve?

[59:44] Some move.

[59:45] Second, please call the roll.

[59:48] Miss Kabul?

[59:49] Yes.

[59:50] Miss Kasha?

[59:52] Mr. Rudolph?

[59:53] Yes.

[59:54] Mr. settler?

[59:55] Yes.

[59:56] Mr. Petki.

[59:58] I vote yes and show it's approved with five.

[1:00:00] Thank you.

[1:00:01] Thank you.

[1:00:04] Next is docket number VAR-2026-060 at 840 East Diamond Avenue.

[1:00:11] Partitioner is main phase one on behalf of owner, Hector Holdings LLC, represented by Erin

[1:00:17] Bauer, applicant request relaxation of the maximum total size of on-premises signage from

[1:00:23] 500 square foot to 982 square foot to legally established an existing window mural and allow

[1:00:30] permitting of new signage for an existing business.

[1:00:34] All right.

[1:00:34] Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it,

[1:00:36] or I guess it please raise your right hand.

[1:00:38] Do you swear or affirm the testimony?

[1:00:40] We'll give a string after it's happy God.

[1:00:41] I do.

[1:00:42] Thank you.

[1:00:43] Please tell us your name and address for the record.

[1:00:45] Erin Bower, Barbara and Bower.

[1:00:48] One, twenty, four, four, six,

[1:00:49] Southeast, first, sweet, one, two.

[1:00:53] Alan Hecker, sixty, three, hundred,

[1:00:55] fell steadfast.

[1:00:58] So you're taking this property and then it needs a bigger sign, right?

[1:01:01] Yes. So, just to give you a little bit of background, if I may.

[1:01:06] So, my client bought the property about a year ago.

[1:01:09] It's the old diamond valley bank on that street.

[1:01:13] There's already a marquee sign there, and when they purchased the building,

[1:01:18] my client goes to church with the youth winner of the Southwest Indian Arts Council Award,

[1:01:27] And he thought it would be a good idea for her to paint something pretty on the side of the building,

[1:01:33] not knowing that they would need a sign permit.

[1:01:36] The mural went up, I think you have a picture of it.

[1:01:40] It arguably contains commercial copy.

[1:01:44] I think it could be argue that it does not contain commercial copy because it's not.

[1:01:48] It's not as though he's selling Coca-Cola and he's advertising Coca-Cola,

[1:01:52] But some of the characters in the mural are on cards that are sold in the property.

[1:01:59] It is a card and collectible property.

[1:02:02] And so whenever they went to get a sign application for the actual marquee that's up for the old diamond valley bank sign,

[1:02:09] it was pointed out to them that they need a variance for the mural.

[1:02:13] Well, don't feel bad.

[1:02:15] Fatman fell for the same trap. I'm Morgan Avenue.

[1:02:21] And so we did notice one issue yesterday as we were looking at it, we filed the variance based

[1:02:27] on the square footage of the mural, and we had not calculated in the fact that the actual

[1:02:32] marquee that was up would also need to be calculated into that.

[1:02:36] And so in our application, we asked for 482 additional square feet, but when you add in the existing

[1:02:43] marquee, it would actually be 962 square feet.

[1:02:46] We'd still be within the allowed signage, which is three for that property.

[1:02:52] So is that this request gets you there?

[1:02:54] Yes, for nine sixty-two.

[1:02:56] Are there any questions?

[1:02:58] Yeah, just so I understand, you're just asking to keep things the way they are.

[1:03:02] We're asking to keep the mural as is and then asking that the allowed square footage for the signage be increased so that we can also put our sign on the marquee that's existing.

[1:03:13] Not add any additional sign.

[1:03:15] Okay, that artwork is not just big posters.

[1:03:20] It's actually kind of on the very end.

[1:03:21] A local kid did that by hand.

[1:03:23] Yeah, I was by there at advance.

[1:03:25] It's pretty cool.

[1:03:26] Pretty incredible.

[1:03:27] It's illegal.

[1:03:29] Okay.

[1:03:31] It's a break in our laws.

[1:03:33] Good job.

[1:03:35] All right.

[1:03:36] Anybody else?

[1:03:37] Okay.

[1:03:39] All of them were reusing to move a proof of all.

[1:03:42] Why are there any monsters about this?

[1:03:47] I think we're good.

[1:03:50] Just for the record, I noticed on the staff field report,

[1:03:52] this is 9.82 and she says she's requesting 9.62.

[1:03:56] I think you did say 62, but is it 82?

[1:03:59] So, it's my understanding that we had requested an additional

[1:04:03] 400 and 82, but with the existing marquee, that's 480,

[1:04:08] we'd need 9.62.

[1:04:10] Is that sound right?

[1:04:11] This is the 92 comes from the calculations from the sign permit application.

[1:04:19] So that would you be opposed to having an extra 20.

[1:04:23] They can come back and add.

[1:04:25] I think you're easier to dress it now than to get the proof.

[1:04:28] Is there a message for you please?

[1:04:30] So move.

[1:04:31] And a second.

[1:04:32] Please call the roll.

[1:04:35] Ms. Kasha.

[1:04:37] Mr. Rudolf.

[1:04:39] Mr. Schettler.

[1:04:40] Yes.

[1:04:41] Ms. Campbell.

[1:04:42] Yes.

[1:04:43] Mr. Petky.

[1:04:43] I vote yes and show it to prove with 5 yes or no.

[1:04:46] Thank you.

[1:04:50] Okay.

[1:04:50] Next up we have Dr. number VAR-26-062 at 1211-1213-151219.

[1:05:00] 111, West Zealand, noi, street, and 1300 West Franklin Street.

[1:05:04] Petitioner is Lincoln Plaza, LLC, representative by Maria Bulkley.

[1:05:09] Applicant request relaxation of the required 8 foot opaque fence surrounding an outdoor storage area

[1:05:14] Tolegalis establish an existing outdoor storage yard originally installed without permits.

[1:05:21] OK, well everyone who's here to speak on this petition forward or against it, please raise a right hand.

[1:05:26] You swear or affirm the testimony you'll give us through an accurate self-aggrande.

[1:05:29] Thank you.

[1:05:31] Good afternoon members of the B.C.A. for the record.

[1:05:33] My name is Maria Bulkley, I'm with Condy's Dohaven and Con Law firm, 501 Main Street

[1:05:37] here in Evansville.

[1:05:39] Lincoln Plaza LLC at this location is the real estate holding company for the Lansing

[1:05:45] companies, which you're probably familiar with, a building specialties company that has

[1:05:49] been with in Evansville since the late 1800s, so proud to represent them and they provide

[1:05:57] building's specialty supplies for many of our industrial, commercial, and residential entities.

[1:06:03] I find myself before you asking for a variance for rather than an eight foot opaque fence,

[1:06:10] a six foot fence with mesh paneling, like to give you a very quick background on why I'm here

[1:06:16] for that request. They did not know that there was an issue, but it turns out somebody in the vicinity

[1:06:23] was cited for having mesh instead of an opaque fence and so that individual

[1:06:28] went and found everybody in the within a two mile radius who had a mesh

[1:06:35] paneling fence and asked the planning commission office to cite all of us.

[1:06:40] So we didn't know it was a problem but apparently it was.

[1:06:43] So we went through the site review process, cleaned up a few little things

[1:06:47] Within that, I have not had any communication from anybody who would have an objection or a problem unless someone's here tonight with our Mesh

[1:06:55] Fencing, I did bring some pictures if anybody would have any interest in them. Okay, let me approach with that.

[1:07:14] Was there I'll ask this a little bit early, but if there's anybody here to remonstrate it on this one.

[1:07:20] I don't see anybody. Okay, and this this is what that what it looks like currently correct. That's right.

[1:07:25] OK, so the idea is that lot is partially used for storage.

[1:07:32] And so the idea is you don't want that visible.

[1:07:34] You generally like to conceal that.

[1:07:36] And I think it's well concealed by the mesh.

[1:07:39] They don't have a desire to put a different kind of fincing in.

[1:07:43] This has been working nicely.

[1:07:45] They replace the mesh when needed.

[1:07:48] And they don't know.

[1:07:49] They may do some different configurations on their site

[1:07:52] in the future, so they don't necessarily

[1:07:53] want to commit to some type of opaque fence. They're very happy with what they have now and they

[1:07:58] think it's visually consistent with what is in the area. So hopefully you'll see that the

[1:08:05] same thing that we do and approve this request. And happy to answer any questions and I do have

[1:08:11] a Matthew B. from Lansing here if you have questions. Looking at the pictures that you provided,

[1:08:16] the barbed wire looks like it adds an extra footer. So do we know what that actual footage is with

[1:08:22] Yeah, Matt may know the dimensions, but I think it's in addition to the six feet, so I think it does add another couple of feet.

[1:08:30] He's here in case I think it I've been by I think yeah, it adds some additional height.

[1:08:37] Thank you.

[1:08:39] Anything else?

[1:08:41] I guess I'll call officially for administrators.

[1:08:44] Are they saw none?

[1:08:45] I see none.

[1:08:47] Is there a motion to approve?

[1:08:48] So move second, please call the roll.

[1:08:52] Mr. Rudolph.

[1:08:54] Yes.

[1:08:54] Mr. Schuttler.

[1:08:56] Yes.

[1:08:56] Ms. Campbell.

[1:08:58] Ms. Kasha.

[1:09:00] Mr. Petky.

[1:09:01] I vote yes and show it's approved with five yes and zero now.

[1:09:03] Thank you.

[1:09:04] I hope the other 13 offenders.

[1:09:06] All right.

[1:09:07] Get approval.

[1:09:11] Okay.

[1:09:12] Next we have Dr.

[1:09:13] number GAAR-266063 at 5,0001 healthy way.

[1:09:19] Petitioner is deaconous hospital ink represented by custom sign and engineering.

[1:09:24] Applicant request relaxation of the maximum allowed number of on-premises signs from 2 to 10 and

[1:09:30] relaxation of maximum total size of on-premises signage from 400 square foot to 748 square

[1:09:37] foot to allow insulation of signage for a new medical clinic.

[1:09:44] All right.

[1:09:44] Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it, or against it, please raise your

[1:09:47] right hand.

[1:09:48] You swear I affirm that testimony you will give us, sure, an accurate selfie got.

[1:09:52] I do.

[1:09:52] Thank you.

[1:09:53] Scott Elper's Custom Sign 5344 Van Rode, a very difficult situation.

[1:10:00] When we applied for permits for this property, we were unaware that it's actually two parcels. So, after review by staff, we found that we will need four variants for this property.

[1:10:17] The signage that we're requesting today is a word that I would call tealary is.

[1:10:24] There is a square there, a little heavier area that you can see the property line and then down where he's bringing a cursor correct.

[1:10:31] So we're only dealing with those signs currently in that area.

[1:10:36] The reason why we will need for variances is because the other parcel, which we included in our application originally,

[1:10:43] is over square footage as well.

[1:10:46] They do have a variance,

[1:10:49] but there are some of those signs were over and height,

[1:10:51] so we're going to re-work those,

[1:10:53] so being say they are getting re-worked.

[1:10:55] They're going to be over height, it takes re-variance.

[1:10:57] The reason why we're going to be back

[1:10:59] not next month, but the next month after that,

[1:11:02] so two months is because some of the signs have directions

[1:11:05] on them that point to the other property

[1:11:08] and likewise the other property to the other property,

[1:11:11] So those become off-premise sounds.

[1:11:15] We are relying on Mr. Morely to come with with some more

[1:11:19] wonderful submittals for that.

[1:11:24] So we're going to be here the next two months.

[1:11:27] But what we're here for today is if you see to the side

[1:11:30] there there are numbers, I think you have them in front of you.

[1:11:33] We are here for number 35, number 30, number 36, number 43.

[1:11:40] comments your questions.

[1:11:44] What are your several signs here?

[1:11:46] It's needed for ambulance emergency directional signage.

[1:11:51] Yeah.

[1:11:52] Enough said, right?

[1:11:54] All right.

[1:11:55] Are there any demonstrators about this?

[1:11:58] I see none.

[1:11:59] Is there a motion?

[1:12:00] Some of.

[1:12:01] Second.

[1:12:01] Please call the roll.

[1:12:04] Mr. Schuttler.

[1:12:05] Yes.

[1:12:07] Miss Kabul?

[1:12:08] Yes.

[1:12:08] Ms. Kasha? Yes. Mr. Rudolf? Yes. Mr. Petty.

[1:12:14] I vote yes. And it shows that it's approved with five yes and zero nose. Thank you.

[1:12:19] See you next month.

[1:12:23] Next is docking number VAR-26-064 at 1701 North HynoBlock Avenue.

[1:12:30] Petitioner is Jim Town Holdings LLC represented by Morley Corp.

[1:12:35] Applicant request relaxation of the minimum required for air green space from 10 foot to 0 foot along both Maxwell and Morgan Avenue's relaxation of the minimum required side dark green space on a corner lot from 5 foot to 0 foot and relaxation of the minimum required number of parking spaces from 145 to 128 to allow a change of use for a new mixed use development, including 134 apartment units and generic commercial space.

[1:13:03] Okay, well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it, or against it, please raise your right hand.

[1:13:08] You swear or affirm the testimony you will give us through an accurate selfie God?

[1:13:11] I do.

[1:13:12] Thank you.

[1:13:13] Jim Orley, Jr.

[1:13:15] Project Engineer.

[1:13:16] So we are here for two variants this tonight.

[1:13:18] The first will do, if we talk about a parking first.

[1:13:23] We require to have 145 spaces, and we have 133 spaces on site.

[1:13:31] and but we are creating 20 new parking spaces along Hidalbach, however technically they're in the right of way versus onsite and so we don't get a count in our number.

[1:13:45] But they are spaces that do not exist today, we're creating new spaces and so that would bring us up to 153 which would be eight more than the 145 required and so we're seeking a variance to allow us to do that.

[1:14:02] And all of those, the parking in a hide-al-block,

[1:14:05] and everything that all has been submitted through site review,

[1:14:07] gone the city engineer, and all of that stuff that goes with that.

[1:14:12] And then we are also seeking a green space set back.

[1:14:17] This is the, just to make sure, oh man, I forgot to use my cool exhibit.

[1:14:21] This is a bossy field on the left hand side.

[1:14:24] And this is the old Crawford Door Building across the street.

[1:14:27] And so it is getting turned into apartments.

[1:14:30] departments. It's a ready project. And as part of that, the old Crawford door building itself

[1:14:37] is in violation of the building setbacks. How dare they, like 150 years ago, violate the

[1:14:43] building setbacks? And I believe there currently is a variance for that, but because we're changing

[1:14:48] use, we have to reapply into new variants. And so we're seeking for a green space relaxation

[1:14:54] and also for this project because this is apartments instead of a warehouse.

[1:15:00] Okay, comments or questions from board members?

[1:15:04] Like, Jim, the six onstreet and the 14 onstreet parking places, is that going to be you're going to create a new lane basically?

[1:15:13] Now, the Heidelbach south of here is only one lane northbound, and then Heidelbach once you get past the park is only one lane with parking off to the side.

[1:15:26] So for like this one block, it's striped as two lanes going north and so we are getting

[1:15:32] basically, we are repurposing the outer lane and putting in striping and islands and such

[1:15:39] to designate that as nobody's actually striped stalls and we work through all that with the

[1:15:45] city engineer's office and so it on Joel's map there you would see south of us as cars go north

[1:15:56] there, it's only one lane, and then you cross the railroad tracks, and voila, you have two lanes,

[1:16:01] and then you go back to one lane. Okay. There's an alley that is stone now that runs east and

[1:16:08] west on the south end of the building, or you're going to do anything with that. No, that is,

[1:16:14] that is a little bit of what the surveyors of the world would call a no-man's land. That is a

[1:16:19] a little bit between not knowing if that's city right of way or railroad right of way, but we are

[1:16:28] not using it, it's not, it's either railroad or city street right of way, but we're not using it

[1:16:35] and so it's not part of our project and so we're leaving it as it's.

[1:16:40] Yeah.

[1:16:40] We'll be affected.

[1:16:41] No, won't be affected.

[1:16:43] That part of Morgan there, it's an exciting area to do a survey of.

[1:16:50] Okay, are there any remonstrators about this?

[1:16:55] I see none, is there a motion?

[1:16:58] Sure.

[1:17:00] What kind of commercial businesses do you see putting in there?

[1:17:05] Something that would be beneficial for the community,

[1:17:11] not like something that people from the east side are driving to come to or something like that.

[1:17:15] just a smaller commercial space that something that would be

[1:17:18] benefit to the local people around there?

[1:17:21] Could you be a little more vague?

[1:17:23] I don't know.

[1:17:24] The barber shop?

[1:17:26] barber shop?

[1:17:27] Coffee shop?

[1:17:28] Something like that.

[1:17:29] Not something that, like, has a bunch of people driving in to come to it,

[1:17:33] just more of a local service.

[1:17:35] And no e-siders?

[1:17:36] Yeah, we're definitely not letting the siders in.

[1:17:38] There's actually a real signpost and no e-siders.

[1:17:41] Not allowed.

[1:17:43] All right.

[1:17:43] So is there a motion to approve this?

[1:17:49] Yeah.

[1:17:50] No.

[1:17:51] One application with three, two or three parts, I guess.

[1:17:56] Motion to approve.

[1:17:58] Please call the roll.

[1:18:02] Miss Cable?

[1:18:04] Miss Kasha?

[1:18:06] Mr. Rudolph?

[1:18:07] Yes.

[1:18:08] Mr. Schettler?

[1:18:09] Yes.

[1:18:09] Mr. Petky.

[1:18:10] I vote yes and show it's approved with five yes and zero noes.

[1:18:13] Thank you all for saying thank you.

[1:18:16] Next is talking number VAR-2026-065 at 7201 Holly Drive.

[1:18:23] Petitioner is Margaret and Shaddock represented by our Lehman and Sun Consulting.

[1:18:29] Applicant request relaxation of the minimum required road furniture for a residential

[1:18:33] lot from 20 foot to 0 foot to allow a personalization creating a new lot with no

[1:18:39] furniture on a public roadway and permit construction of another single family residence on the new

[1:18:45] All right, well everybody who's here to speak on this petition for it or against it please raise your right hand

[1:18:52] You swear firm the testimony will give us true an accurate selfie God. Thank you

[1:19:00] Barbershop with no e-siders and maybe the only barber shop. I go to

[1:19:05] How's it Joe?

[1:19:06] Come by right show up here. So it's a joke anyway

[1:19:10] Matt Lane, I'm a official now Matt Lane, but our name is unconsolptained

[1:19:19] I'm actually jumping in on this for Donnie Grease with these Lee LLC who had been working with this, he's out in Colorado right now hunting elk, so hopefully he will get one so I can get some of that meat.

[1:19:31] But we are here to seek this variance.

[1:19:35] The client, Miss Peggy, has a disabled son, who is 35, that she is the caregiver for.

[1:19:44] They bought the existing structure, the existing house back there.

[1:19:50] It has heard her disabled son and then her other son and his family.

[1:19:55] So they are proposing to build a new house for her.

[1:20:00] Per, and her disabled son to live in. We need this various to be approved so that the parcelization can take place. Two separate parcels, she will own them both.

[1:20:11] They knew septic system, much larger than what is there now, will be installed to handle both of the existing septic systems in very poor condition.

[1:20:25] So, a new septic system is going in regardless if this is approved or not. Obviously, we hope it's approved.

[1:20:31] But this will, that septic system will house the existing house as well as this proposed.

[1:20:38] I don't think there's anything else.

[1:20:42] I don't think so. I'll be glad to entertain any questions.

[1:20:48] So, where can you point on this one, or maybe one of the other ones, where the parcelization will occur?

[1:20:55] Yeah, the parcelization is actually highlighted there.

[1:20:58] Right there.

[1:20:59] Okay.

[1:21:00] You can see the existing home on the right.

[1:21:05] Ah, okay.

[1:21:06] So this is the front engine.

[1:21:08] There's no front edge on the road.

[1:21:10] Gotcha.

[1:21:11] So this is a drive.

[1:21:14] Probably is a drive.

[1:21:17] Gotcha.

[1:21:17] Thank you.

[1:21:18] And they are put in an easement in that will allow access.

[1:21:22] There's no plans to sell either one of these parcels, but should that happen way down the road,

[1:21:26] that will be an easement in place on the subject for the septic system.

[1:21:32] But again, the plan, the whole purpose of this is to have her, like said, her disabled son, to have a place.

[1:21:39] He can't live on his own, but this is basically the next closest thing, to where big brothers right there next to him,

[1:21:46] and whatever she gets too old to take care of him.

[1:21:49] This is really a good situation.

[1:21:54] So, I'm sorry.

[1:21:55] I'm sorry.

[1:21:55] I have a call for a monster in your chat.

[1:21:57] I don't mean to jump in, but the parcel is ace,

[1:21:59] and so she can build the proposal.

[1:22:02] Yes.

[1:22:03] Right.

[1:22:05] OK.

[1:22:06] Were there any other questions?

[1:22:10] Are there any of our administrators about this one?

[1:22:12] OK.

[1:22:13] Matt, once you have a seat,

[1:22:14] once you come up to the podium, please.

[1:22:16] Thank you for being here.

[1:22:18] Tell us your name and your address first.

[1:22:22] My name is Cynthia McLean a hand and I reside at 7200

[1:22:25] Holy Drive.

[1:22:26] I am the neighbor of this.

[1:22:28] Okay.

[1:22:28] Pretty good.

[1:22:29] I got some picture because I think it's

[1:22:32] Painter to see.

[1:22:33] But 26 years ago we built this road.

[1:22:36] There was a house there which then

[1:22:38] Chatex now owned.

[1:22:39] It was an order gentleman that lived there.

[1:22:41] And he just had like a dirt road to his house.

[1:22:44] So when we built our home, which is next to it,

[1:22:46] we put in about $12,000 to build this road.

[1:22:49] And it takes about $1,000 every other year to maintain it.

[1:22:53] Since moving there in 2000, that's when we build.

[1:22:57] We have to have two separate septic systems

[1:23:00] because of the clay soil and the poor drainage on this land.

[1:23:04] The exact spot that the new neighbors want to build a field bed

[1:23:07] is right where we have numerous problems with standing water.

[1:23:12] It is a road.

[1:23:13] And you'll see on the pictures how we go this way, they go that way.

[1:23:16] Right. The water department has been out there so many times to tell us it's not a water leak.

[1:23:23] It's a water problem. So we dug a ditch underneath the road and we are driving where we turn into our driveway to release

[1:23:30] some of that and went down between our properties with a lot of rock and a deep valley to take it away.

[1:23:35] It doesn't help. When it rains it's flooded there and again I have pictures of exactly what that looks like because it doesn't really look like that.

[1:23:43] I was told by many realtors and contractors that you have to have two and a half acres.

[1:23:48] That lot is very small.

[1:23:50] Our home is 2100 square foot and if that's what they're building on that with the field bed,

[1:23:56] it's impossible without that road to flooding.

[1:23:59] The additional traffic on our two lane driveway, which we've spent most of the money on,

[1:24:05] the construction of the new home they want to build,

[1:24:07] the damage to the driveway, and more water problems,

[1:24:10] or just a few to name the problems we'll have in the future.

[1:24:14] Since the bed is to be dealt with right next to the drive,

[1:24:17] how can we guarantee that this will not cause more

[1:24:21] drainage damage in the future?

[1:24:23] Tids are a spot on that property before two of the people.

[1:24:26] This is a third person's system of density bill.

[1:24:29] And he gave his permission to add on to the waterline there.

[1:24:32] So we share the waterline.

[1:24:34] So that's one more house that we'll share the waterline.

[1:24:38] And the new neighbors also, and he did not mention this, had sewage back up in their main home two weeks ago.

[1:24:47] All of the stuff that they constructed is still in the driveway.

[1:24:51] And I know they're trying to rebuild it, but why would they want to build a house?

[1:24:56] And a field bed on top, their house is down here, it's up.

[1:25:00] So the field bed is here, the new house over here, the driveway here in their house is here. And we're next to work kind of above them. And I guess the biggest problem is, you know, we live in close quarters there.

[1:25:16] What's the last thing you said I'm sorry?

[1:25:18] We live in very close quarters and it's a beautiful area.

[1:25:21] Yeah, there's.

[1:25:22] Most definitely it will affect the value of our home.

[1:25:31] Not in front, not to interrupt.

[1:25:33] Just looking at this current map, are you the house that's south right here now?

[1:25:38] Right there?

[1:25:38] That's your home?

[1:25:40] Okay, thank you.

[1:25:40] In that intersection, you can see, and I got pictures of where we drive out of our driveway.

[1:25:44] Mr. Wright is here.

[1:25:46] He's the neighbor in front of this.

[1:25:48] So he doesn't have an effect with the water problem.

[1:25:52] But it's driving our, that's our derived way.

[1:25:54] That's not our, it's Hollywood Drive, but it's a driveway that we built there.

[1:25:57] So I'm sorry that it has to be this way we've, you know, we've tried, I mean, they're wonderful people and we've been friends since the beginning.

[1:26:06] But how did they expect us to give up the value of our home to supply them what they want?

[1:26:10] They should have checked this out before they bought the property.

[1:26:13] We've been there 26 years.

[1:26:16] I beg of you to take this in control and take control that this is not happened.

[1:26:21] We will have to move this happens. There's just no way.

[1:26:23] And we'll be able to sell with that kind of damage.

[1:26:27] We'll tell the people that, you know, this glides all the time, but, you know, we've got to deal with it.

[1:26:31] Would you like to see pictures?

[1:26:33] Anybody?

[1:26:34] You're welcome to show us pictures, but I think in my right, she doesn't get a back once a record.

[1:26:40] You know, they have to stay in the file.

[1:26:43] Ms. McLean, do you understand?

[1:26:44] Oh, yeah, okay.

[1:26:47] Okay. Yeah.

[1:27:04] Do you have any questions?

[1:27:06] So these pictures aren't showing flood conditions.

[1:27:08] You're not sure if we're at the floor or is it still dry now right now everything there's a water anywhere

[1:27:21] Are there any questions from Mr. Klein?

[1:27:24] So Holly drive is

[1:27:26] Really

[1:27:29] Okay, so it's a recognized by the county as a as a road or a lane

[1:27:33] It has not been accepted for maintenance by the county and it shows up on the map. Okay. We do all the maintenance on it

[1:27:41] and our neighbors share it, and they helped us rock it.

[1:27:44] This is here we would put down like 500 each to rock it.

[1:27:48] It's going to be destroyed if they try to build something there.

[1:27:51] I don't understand the disability thing that they're talking about,

[1:27:55] that this is, if we just put a building somewhere,

[1:27:58] and I feel that somewhere, it's going to accommodate,

[1:28:02] we were there 26 years without any problems.

[1:28:06] That's not true, there's a lot of problems that I mean dealing with,

[1:28:09] problems.

[1:28:12] And I guess technically who owns Holly Drive?

[1:28:15] We do.

[1:28:16] You're.

[1:28:16] And the Shattacks, you know, we share it together.

[1:28:18] But we built the road basically.

[1:28:21] Okay.

[1:28:21] So if you see on the map, there's a green line going on the middle basically.

[1:28:26] So they split ownership.

[1:28:32] I'm not even sure exactly what you know.

[1:28:35] Then wanting to dig onto the driveway to put that there.

[1:28:40] I don't understand that map.

[1:28:43] This is this property lines, is what they're showing.

[1:28:47] That's a parcelization showing the parcel lines,

[1:28:51] and what they want to change to make a new lot.

[1:28:56] Okay.

[1:28:56] You can see how small it is. It's not that big.

[1:28:59] And we're going to just a two and a half acres come in at that.

[1:29:02] When you're talking about a field bed.

[1:29:05] Well, that used to be the standard.

[1:29:07] I don't know if it still is.

[1:29:08] I have it right here on me.

[1:29:10] Yeah, okay.

[1:29:10] Well, I mean, that's a lot is to an epic.

[1:29:13] And the water is to see the top, right?

[1:29:15] Yeah.

[1:29:15] 2.5.

[1:29:17] Right.

[1:29:18] And the other one has to be 2.5.

[1:29:20] 2.5 through a partialization.

[1:29:22] So both are over 2.5.

[1:29:24] Where they're wanting to build that is 2.5?

[1:29:28] They can't make a whole property to three acres,

[1:29:30] and it goes back to the woods forever.

[1:29:32] Where they're wanting to build it is a very small area.

[1:29:34] That is what the surveyer is showing on the drawing.

[1:29:37] They're showing two and a half air and both air on both sides.

[1:29:40] So the actual parcelization includes some of the back of the property, the wooded area.

[1:29:47] It's not just that little front area.

[1:29:49] They drew the line so that it goes all the way to the back to make it 2.5.

[1:29:54] Okay, so that area is not 2.5.

[1:29:56] They want to want to build the...

[1:29:57] Now we're the putting the house.

[1:29:58] Not the front area now.

[1:30:20] Okay.

[1:30:26] You made some good points. Is there anything else you would like us to know? Thank you for sending me a question.

[1:30:29] I'm sorry. Thank you for being here. And then did you want to speak to this also?

[1:30:36] If you do, you have to come up. And if you come on up, you have to start with your name.

[1:30:41] Did you already raise your right hand when I had it? Okay. Do you swear or affirm the testimony we

[1:30:46] give us to an advocate so help you got? Yes. Thank you. Tell us your name. Tell us your address.

[1:30:50] First of all, I love your 20 shouldy road. So we're right in front. They are really great people.

[1:30:56] So I really like to, I, you know, whenever they talk to me, they originally were buying the

[1:31:01] place to, and there's a pole barn, I think that's where they were playing on building,

[1:31:05] and things that didn't work out there, so they kind of walked me through it while I hadn't.

[1:31:09] Well, I guess my concern is around the other side of our prime show, you say, I guess that's where

[1:31:13] they're going to put in a modular home. My concern is because we're getting ready to hopefully

[1:31:18] upgrade our. And I'm not safer, you know, I mean, I like right now, I think it's our

[1:31:23] you waste your hands around 525,000.

[1:31:26] I don't, it's not going to affect the flooding for me, so really for us, and they're great,

[1:31:33] but if we're to bait on actually in the next couple of years down our house, and we're going

[1:31:37] to do upgrades or not.

[1:31:39] So I mean, I guess there's going to be a probably, you know, if we did that, making around

[1:31:43] 6 or 7,000, there's probably going to be some people that aren't going to want right on

[1:31:47] the other side of the module.

[1:31:48] might affect them, but I don't know this format really, it all

[1:31:53] pretty quick, I got a letter. Right, right. So for us, mine's just a property

[1:31:57] valuation. Yeah. So I don't know if that even matters. Any questions from board?

[1:32:04] Thank you guys for being here. All right, was there anybody else? I didn't

[1:32:08] think so, Matt, if you want to come back.

[1:32:17] It's some regarding the

[1:32:20] regarding the septic system, the field bed is going to go on the site plan, like said,

[1:32:28] regardless of this happens or not, I think that was the, and again, I didn't design this.

[1:32:32] I'm here representing the surveyer in the donor, but that's what a field bed would go.

[1:32:38] That field bed will have to be installed to code.

[1:32:40] So it can't be installed to cause issue or harm to not only this property, but to neighboring property,

[1:32:46] either.

[1:32:49] And I'm personally not aware with the driveway flooding issue that would be frustrating for sure.

[1:32:56] I would hope that during this process that would now come either time to address that.

[1:33:02] Since you have a surveyor working with this and there's different elevations of what not that have been taken.

[1:33:10] Definitely be the time to address some funny issues because I'm sure if it's affecting then I'm it's affecting

[1:33:16] You know the owner that I'm representing as well, so

[1:33:20] That's definitely something to be brought up for discussion

[1:33:24] Can you have that discussion then come back to us?

[1:33:28] I mean

[1:33:30] Yeah, and if Mr. Easley could be here too. I because I I would I do have some questions

[1:33:35] You know like I guess I'm having a hard time graphing this if you weren't gonna

[1:33:40] make this too lots.

[1:33:43] What is it fair to say that the land that they're now is almost five acres or more?

[1:33:50] It's about, yeah, I think it's a little over five.

[1:33:58] Oh, I say, but the field, but the field bed for the septic is where it is because

[1:34:04] it's going to go there, that was the, that was the best spot for it to go.

[1:34:09] And I'm not, I'm sure sure why, that's just what I was told.

[1:34:12] But the people who have proximity to the houses or

[1:34:16] Correct

[1:34:17] Yeah, they

[1:34:19] Could be a lot of it is simply for the house back here old one yeah, I'm putting yeah, so that's where the old one ones

[1:34:27] Yeah, they'll be a old one and a new one

[1:34:30] Yeah, the old one is very inadequate as the neighbor mentioned there

[1:34:36] It's old I mean the house is old to it's an old system so they're putting a new system in regardless

[1:34:43] So the new system will support both homes?

[1:34:47] Yes.

[1:34:52] I'm with Becky.

[1:34:54] I have some additional questions because I would want to know, you know, I know we're seeing that that's the best proposed site.

[1:35:00] I know you're pinched for that, but I know that someone mentioned that previously was going to go back by the poll barn and back that way.

[1:35:08] So even if movement back further could benefit or cause less damage in harm to the neighbors, those are questions that I would want to see or have answered.

[1:35:18] Sure.

[1:35:19] Would you be okay if this gets continued until you've got this discussed out?

[1:35:25] We could have, because I know the owner teaches, I believe college courses and she's in Ohio right now, that's what she's not here.

[1:35:35] But Donnie shouldn't be in Colorado next month.

[1:35:38] Okay.

[1:35:39] Yeah, I feel better if we have a professional, come in and answer these questions and maybe even address why there's flooding.

[1:35:45] And if this would indeed increase the flooding or reduce it, yeah, I don't want to.

[1:35:50] Yeah, I mean.

[1:35:51] And I'll share my contact info with the neighbors too this evening.

[1:35:55] Sit up a meeting.

[1:35:56] That would be a good one.

[1:35:58] Yep.

[1:36:07] If you get in front of the mic so we can record you.

[1:36:10] No one puts a field bed above their house in front of their house.

[1:36:14] A field bed goes below a house or has to have to range away from the house.

[1:36:18] their house level is a way down below their rotors right there and they climb up the hill.

[1:36:25] That's what they're wanting to put the field in.

[1:36:27] How does that work?

[1:36:28] It's going to all flow downhill.

[1:36:30] They can't have that.

[1:36:32] Well, we want that worked out so that when it comes back, hopefully it's resolved.

[1:36:36] So is there a motion to continue this item and wave the fees?

[1:36:42] Motion to continue and wave the fees until next meeting.

[1:36:45] Second. Please call the roll.

[1:36:50] Ms. Koshah. Yes. Mr. Rudolf. Yes.

[1:36:54] Mr. Schetler. Yes.

[1:36:56] Ms. Campbell. Yes. Mr. Petky.

[1:36:58] I vote yes. And sure that's.

[1:37:00] Thank you. See you next month. Pass 5-0.

[1:37:02] Thanks, man.

[1:37:05] Okay. Next we have talking number VAR-26-06-1411.

[1:37:11] All of Street.

[1:37:12] Petitioner is John Martin, represented by Ryan Sermersheim.

[1:37:15] Applicant requests relaxation of the maximum allow lock coverage from 40% to 42% and relaxation of the zoning code to allow an accessory structure to be larger and square footage than the main structure the residents to allow construction of a new 864 square foot detached garage exceeding the size of the residents by 50 square foot.

[1:37:37] All right, well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it

[1:37:41] against, please raise your right hand.

[1:37:43] Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give us true and accurate?

[1:37:45] So, I hope you've got.

[1:37:46] Thank you.

[1:37:48] So, right in service, I am 815 Hartford Court, Evansville, Indiana, 47710.

[1:37:54] So, a long story short, I work a hinder lighter.

[1:37:56] John Martin is one of our field carpenters.

[1:37:58] He's the kind of carpenter that you can pass a sketch and he's got it.

[1:38:02] He takes it from there.

[1:38:03] So he came to me and had this detached garage all planned

[1:38:07] out to say, hey, can you help me get permit?

[1:38:09] Sure.

[1:38:10] We got to look in and, oh, it's a her two big.

[1:38:13] And so here we are to build what he had

[1:38:16] planned out would require variance, basically.

[1:38:21] It's 50 square foot bigger than his house.

[1:38:25] So, and then the other one as well.

[1:38:27] Pretty self-explanatory.

[1:38:28] Any questions from board members?

[1:38:30] Are there any remonstrators about this?

[1:38:34] I see none.

[1:38:34] Is there a motion?

[1:38:38] Don't move.

[1:38:39] I'll second it.

[1:38:39] Please call the roll.

[1:38:42] Mr. Rudolph.

[1:38:44] Mr. Schetler.

[1:38:46] Ms. Campbell.

[1:38:47] Yes.

[1:38:48] Ms. Kasha?

[1:38:50] Mr. Pettyki.

[1:38:51] I vote yes and show it's approved with five.

[1:38:52] Yes, sir.

[1:38:53] Thank you.

[1:38:56] This is that we have for variances.

[1:38:59] This is docked number VAR-26-068.

[1:39:03] at 6126124 and 6128 Weaver Road.

[1:39:08] Petitioner is Michael and Lisa Barker,

[1:39:11] represented by Kiesel Wagner Survey,

[1:39:13] applicant request relaxation of the minimum required

[1:39:17] for our setback from 25 foot to 1 foot

[1:39:19] to permit construction of a new 3,481 square foot

[1:39:24] 27 foot tall single family residents.

[1:39:28] All right, well everyone who's here to speak on this petition forward

[1:39:30] or against it, please raise your right hand.

[1:39:32] Do you swear or affirm the testimony we'll give us true and accurate self-aggressive?

[1:39:35] Yes.

[1:39:36] Thank you.

[1:39:37] The name is an address, please.

[1:39:39] Mike Barker.

[1:39:41] 6100 Weaver Road, Evansville, Indiana 47711.

[1:39:46] Lisa Barker, 6100 Weaver Road, Evansville, Indiana 477111.

[1:39:51] Chris Collins, 5733 Shadow Creek, Lion Newark, Indiana.

[1:39:55] Thanks, you guys.

[1:39:56] so

[1:40:01] Just pushing it to the front of the law, right?

[1:40:04] Okay. Any questions or comments?

[1:40:09] Are there any reminders about this?

[1:40:13] I see none. Is there a motion to approve?

[1:40:16] To move.

[1:40:18] I'll second it. Please call the roll.

[1:40:22] Mr. Shethler?

[1:40:24] Yes.

[1:40:25] Ms. Campbell? Yes.

[1:40:27] Ms. Kasha? Yes.

[1:40:29] Mr. Rudolph? Yes.

[1:40:31] Yes.

[1:40:31] I vote yes and show it's approved with five yes and zero nose. Good luck you guys

[1:40:37] Thank you

[1:40:38] Okay

[1:40:39] Well, do we need a biobrake for about

[1:40:42] How many minutes?

[1:40:45] Five minutes

[1:40:47] Okay, we're gonna break for five minutes. Please be back here in four and a half

[1:40:55] Yeah

[1:41:30] there. You know, Mark, Mark would pass away something in the early 90s. I was born in the

[1:41:38] 90s. So, I worked for great supply companies.

[1:41:46] So, actually, I worked for great supply companies.

[1:41:56] and stop looking at it and it was small and small paper in my flight.

[1:42:04] Where did you find that pad?

[1:42:10] I assume you were discussing today's schnucks coupons.

[1:42:16] It's okay.

[1:42:27] So, Cassie has already read it in, so we're able to, like, risk it back, skip reread.

[1:42:32] We need to take 20 seconds. But yeah, we'll just turn it over to read. Yeah, that's fine.

[1:42:48] Thank you.

[1:42:51] All right.

[1:42:52] All right.

[1:42:56] Thank you.

[1:43:12] It's a slide.

[1:43:15] If you don't mind me asking how many times have you uh,

[1:43:18] I mean, I don't think I'm going to get back to the rest of the day.

[1:43:26] What is

[1:43:34] this?

[1:43:42] I like this.

[1:43:44] Oh, okay.

[1:43:45] I like this.

[1:43:48] And then I left this all around.

[1:43:51] Oh, no.

[1:43:54] Yeah, I thought I wasn't supposed to wear a white outfit like that.

[1:44:51] Okay, so I would hereby call back to order the Board of Zoning meeting and I will

[1:45:00] Let's start with Council swearing in all those who wish to speak.

[1:45:03] Okay, so we're just back to SPU, that is 2026-007.

[1:45:09] Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for, please raise your right hand.

[1:45:15] Do you swear or affirm?

[1:45:16] Do you guys can separate a little bit so I can see what behind you.

[1:45:20] Do you swear or affirm the testimony will give us true and accurate selfie God?

[1:45:25] Thank you.

[1:45:25] Reach met, Denton's being a green bomb, one main street, sweet 600.

[1:45:33] Good afternoon, President Petke and members of the board.

[1:45:37] Rachel Connor and I represent our WE, the third largest renewable energy company in the United States with offices in Chicago and Austin.

[1:45:47] Our application for special use is under special use number 15.

[1:45:51] electric power or steam power generating plants and other uses.

[1:45:58] I will address the six findings of fact,

[1:46:01] substantiating the special use number 15 and Jason Winnick with RWE

[1:46:07] shop present the project and discuss the technologies involved.

[1:46:14] Finding a fact number one.

[1:46:16] The Elliott Best Site is an appropriate location for its use.

[1:46:23] Our ordinance designates a agricultural zoned land as appropriate for a battery energy storage system.

[1:46:34] Elliott Best is cited on approximately 40 acres of land in northeast Vancouver County.

[1:46:41] It's agricultural zoned.

[1:46:42] The site is bounded by I-69 on the west, and the Elliott Substation on the southwest.

[1:46:51] This site aligns with rural preservation goals in the comprehensive plan by avoiding

[1:46:56] high yield farming and supporting low impact development.

[1:47:03] Finding number two, Elliott Vest will not adversely affect the surrounding area.

[1:47:08] The Elliott Beside is intended to be a low-impact development.

[1:47:15] Elliott Bes has no water or wastewater needs for operation, other than for potable water and

[1:47:22] restroom use for the operations and maintenance building.

[1:47:28] Elliott Bes' operation does not generate air or water pollutants.

[1:47:32] It's designed will prevent soil erosion and will enhance water retention on the site.

[1:47:41] It uses existing vegetation for screening to minimize neighbor and traffic views.

[1:47:48] Elliott Bess will not use the existing pond for runoff control.

[1:47:54] By design, no wetlands or water bodies will be affected.

[1:47:58] In short, the use as developed will not adversely affect the surrounding areas.

[1:48:06] Finding number three, there will be no nuisance or serious hazard to vehicles, pedestrians

[1:48:14] or to residents.

[1:48:17] The site will gain access from baseline road and will be designed to maximize residential

[1:48:23] setbacks.

[1:48:24] The location along I-69 provides natural masking.

[1:48:31] Any noise from the project during operations at non-participating residences will be well

[1:48:39] within safe zones.

[1:48:42] A future roadway use agreement with the county ensures that any local roads damage during

[1:48:48] construction shall be restored.

[1:48:51] RWA will provide safety measures to be utilized for the project.

[1:48:57] These measures include safety equipment that is installed directly in the project containers,

[1:49:05] safety equipment installed to monitor site security and temperatures, and pre-establish

[1:49:11] protocols such as in the emergency shutdown procedures and the emergency response plan with

[1:49:17] and the band of the county fire department.

[1:49:21] Elliott Bess will comply with all federal, state,

[1:49:24] and local fire and safety codes.

[1:49:27] Elliott Bess will not have any hazards,

[1:49:30] any hazardous byproducts under normal operations.

[1:49:35] These are the same safety conditions

[1:49:38] and response plans, which are reviewed and approved

[1:49:42] by the State Department of Homeland Security,

[1:49:46] when RWE files its best permit to construct and its best permit to operate applications.

[1:49:55] The project is located near the Scott Township Fire Department and EEMS.

[1:50:01] Eliant best shot coordinate with the Vanderbilt County Fire Department to develop an emergency protocol plan. The decommissioning plan agreement with Vanderbilt County requires

[1:50:13] Elliott Best to post financial security and to restore the land after its project use and after the facilities have been safely removed.

[1:50:24] Number four, adequate and appropriate facilities will be provided for proper operation of its use.

[1:50:34] Elliott Bess intends to sign a good, I'm sorry, a generator interconnection agreement with centerpoint and myso.

[1:50:42] Elliott Bess will construct site access roads and culverts as needed to comply with county codes.

[1:50:49] The project operation will generate little or no additional traffic for the local roads.

[1:50:57] The project will be designed to maximize water, infiltration, onsite, and minimize any project runoff.

[1:51:06] Number five.

[1:51:09] The use is in harmony with the Evansville Vandenberg County Comprehensive Plan.

[1:51:14] Elliott Bess Alliance was section 9 school to promote developments that are clean industries involved new technologies that minimize resources and waste in the manufacturing process and contribute to the local economy by providing diverse employment opportunities.

[1:51:38] Agricultural Preservation Section number 10.

[1:51:42] Elliott Bass Alliance with the Comprehensive Plans Agricultural Preservation

[1:51:46] Goals by using only 40 acres of agricultural

[1:51:52] Zoned land for 20 years before allowing the land to be restored to its

[1:51:58] prior use.

[1:52:00] Elliott Bass will also maintain harmony with the existing agricultural

[1:52:04] uses by maintaining existing vegetation, where possible, and adding fencing, planting,

[1:52:11] requested Evergreen's and shrubs to address requests by adjoining neighbors.

[1:52:17] Economic development section 11, Elliott Pess compliments the economic development goals and

[1:52:26] objective outlined in section 11 of the comprehensive plan, through investing approximately

[1:52:32] $200 million in Vanderbilt County.

[1:52:40] Environmental Quality Section Number 13.

[1:52:44] Environmental Quality Goals of the Comprehensive Plan are advanced.

[1:52:48] First, Eliot Bess will provide for grid resiliency.

[1:52:53] Second, the Eliot Bess site is designed to avoid the forested areas that are a defining

[1:52:59] resource of our Northeast Vanderbilt County.

[1:53:03] The I-69 Gateway Plan, the project avoids the constraints identified in the Gateway Plan and is consistent with the type of development and sub-area goals for land use and economic development in promoting green development and industries.

[1:53:22] Finally, number six,

[1:53:27] the use is essential or desirable to the public convenience and welfare.

[1:53:32] With a total of that investment of approximately $200 million, Elliot Bess will add substantial

[1:53:38] assessed valuation to the county and Scott Township.

[1:53:44] This shall help lower tax rates and be used to leverage support for schools, emergency services,

[1:53:50] roads, libraries, parks, and other county services.

[1:53:59] The project will also create full-time well-paying jobs during construction and provide

[1:54:04] two to three full-time and part-time jobs during its operation.

[1:54:09] The project will further support local businesses throughout the construction process and during

[1:54:15] its operations.

[1:54:20] Thank you.

[1:54:22] present the project and its technologies. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

[1:54:29] Yes. My name is Jason Winick, 353 North Clark Street Chicago Illinois.

[1:54:38] And thank you members

[1:54:39] of the board for having me here today. So we just walked through the findings of fact. I'm

[1:54:43] going to give some background on RWA and our experience in the battery and energy business.

[1:54:48] I'm also going to talk about just some basics of what these batteries are and what they look

[1:54:52] like introduce the site and its benefits, briefly talk about fire prevention and safety,

[1:54:58] and kind of next steps on our project.

[1:55:00] So we have a number of experts here today, including fire safety, our attorneys to talk about local and state permitting, as well as environmental impacts and things like that. So I encourage you to ask questions of our group.

[1:55:16] And we get to Q&A as well as well as property values.

[1:55:21] So RWA, as we mentioned at the beginning,

[1:55:24] if I can get these slides to land, right?

[1:55:26] Is the third largest renewable and battery developer in the United States?

[1:55:31] Batteries are a proven technology that are across the US and globe,

[1:55:36] similar to the lithium iron battery center in your cell phone or power bank.

[1:55:40] This means you might have with you here today.

[1:55:42] They're a little more sophisticated and larger, but same technology.

[1:55:46] despite them being a growing industry and part of the energy sector.

[1:55:50] RWB already has over a gigawatt, which would be five times the size of the project.

[1:55:54] We're here today in total in the US with seven projects and operations.

[1:56:00] And we have 13 gigawatt projects nationwide, so we have experience building,

[1:56:04] owning and operating these projects and helping the communities we serve.

[1:56:11] So getting into what these batteries are, so batteries are located close to transmission lines

[1:56:16] And substations, they charge electricity when there's access electricity on the grid and supply it later when it's needed.

[1:56:25] Providing a tremendous grid benefit.

[1:56:27] What I want to highlight is these batteries support all generation types.

[1:56:31] So that's cool, gas, nuclear, solar wind, something that gets invented tomorrow and connects to the grid.

[1:56:37] They support all technologies.

[1:56:39] So this is really a grid stabilizing technology and helps the entire grid.

[1:56:44] And so that electricity can support, you know, new homes, businesses, and industries here

[1:56:50] by.

[1:56:53] And so just a quick look at what these batteries are.

[1:56:56] It's a number of lithium cells that are super tiny like that.

[1:57:00] Those are grouped together to form a module.

[1:57:03] Those are stacked together to form a rack.

[1:57:06] And then those are, those racks are combined.

[1:57:09] And then you get a storage system or a container.

[1:57:12] And so these look like basically large shipping containers.

[1:57:14] I

[1:57:18] also wanted to brief the highlight that the Indian State government is supporting batteries as a crucial part of the energy grid.

[1:57:28] You know, the governor and the state of the energy department within the state have, you know, called out how they're increasingly important part of the grid.

[1:57:37] They optimize the performance and reliability of new resources. They diversify the grid's technology.

[1:57:44] And they ensure affordable, reliable, and resilient energy on the grid.

[1:57:48] And so, you know, a lot of groups are calling for them, but I just wanted to highlight the state government.

[1:57:53] And there's already, you know, projects across the state and under construction as well.

[1:58:00] Getting into some of the actual benefits of the project or of batteries in general and why they're needed in Indiana.

[1:58:08] So they provide grid reliability and support in a changing grid.

[1:58:11] that's, you know, we all know how load growth is rising

[1:58:14] in power plants are retiring.

[1:58:16] And so a battery can optimize existing generation

[1:58:20] and capture some of that electricity that might be wasted.

[1:58:23] So if there's tension on the grid and electricity can't be delivered

[1:58:26] because of, you know, the lack of space on the transmission line,

[1:58:30] a battery can pull some off, use it later,

[1:58:31] and that might prevent, or that would supply access

[1:58:34] electricity to the grid when it's needed,

[1:58:36] which is a huge benefit and potential cost savers,

[1:58:39] law. This extra electricity supports low growth, new homes and businesses, and improves grid

[1:58:47] reliability and can decrease the chance of brown-outs or blackouts by supplying that extra

[1:58:52] electricity or storing it when there's a storm. And it can also defer costly grid upgrades.

[1:58:59] So I mentioned the tension that can happen on the grid. These relief that tension and it can potentially

[1:59:04] prevent new incredibly expensive transmission lines from being to be built.

[1:59:11] Getting into the actual site, oh first I'll go over just like what this is.

[1:59:15] So it's a 200 megawatt battery.

[1:59:18] It would come online in 2029 or 2030.

[1:59:22] If all, you know, we receive all of the necessary approvals.

[1:59:25] It's one parcel, 40 acres.

[1:59:28] And the project lifetime would be 20 years.

[1:59:32] So the site is thrown on screen and our layout.

[1:59:35] To me, this is an example of what a good project looks like.

[1:59:38] They're strong natural vegetation to the west side of the project area, as well as the north and the east sides.

[1:59:46] And then on top of that, we've talked with, you know,

[1:59:50] I've had conversations with all of the neighbors about the project, some in person, and more in depth.

[1:59:56] And so, you know, there's two neighbors.

[2:00:00] The House has out of the pond, only one house there, had a really extensive and positive conversations

[2:00:04] with them about vegetative screening that will be adding to the project area and continuing

[2:00:10] to work with them as our design advances and we move along towards construction. And so we have

[2:00:14] a letter from them that we can hand out to you as proof of that effort. They're the neighbors

[2:00:21] that we'll be looking at the project the most and the others will be, we'll see part of it as

[2:00:26] particularly one on the east, but just wanted to do that for you. Where are these

[2:00:33] neighbors? Can you show on the sea of the photo? See this far. So there's this

[2:00:38] pond to split. So our parcel is the top-off. It's then split into halves here.

[2:00:44] And so there's a neighbor. There's a house. Hopefully I'm getting this right

[2:00:48] right here. Okay. That's the paris. And then this parcel is recently acquired by

[2:00:54] somebody else, but there's no house here.

[2:00:56] There's a neighbor right here.

[2:00:59] And what's above that, do you know?

[2:01:01] Above the site?

[2:01:02] No, no, I mean, above the house.

[2:01:04] You just, this is a horse barn.

[2:01:06] A horse barn?

[2:01:07] Yes.

[2:01:08] And then there's a neighbor in the back here as well, behind the trees.

[2:01:14] And so yeah, I just touched on the vegetation

[2:01:16] that's there for some history on the site.

[2:01:19] You know, the topsoils, sporadic of talk

[2:01:21] both our landowner and the tenant farmer on this,

[2:01:24] it's currently used for beans and there's rotation there.

[2:01:28] So it is used for agriculture,

[2:01:32] but the topsoil is sporadic,

[2:01:34] and as mentioned, the findings of fact, you know,

[2:01:38] it's not incredibly productive in that way,

[2:01:39] because of the highway production or construction of the highway.

[2:01:43] Another reason for the site, why we chose this is,

[2:01:46] obviously, proximity to the transmission line right there.

[2:01:50] And another big benefit is this site avoids all wetlands and water bodies and habitat disturbances.

[2:01:56] So we've done extensive environmental work, both site surveys, desktop to prove that and what's just a great site.

[2:02:08] Getting into some of the specifics on distances between neighbors and what the actual infrastructure will be there.

[2:02:15] So obviously we have the battery containers. Those are tucked away all the way in the back.

[2:02:19] wouldn't be seen by any of the neighbor space on the vegetation that's there anticipated.

[2:02:27] And those battery containers are only about two acres of space.

[2:02:35] And the closest neighbor is 400 feet away.

[2:02:39] And so typically, in a project like this, we would look at, you know, 50-hundred feet distance.

[2:02:43] And so this site is really great because it actually has 400 feet of distance between those batteries and the closest home.

[2:02:51] And other neighbors are four or five, at least 100 feet away.

[2:02:57] Other infrastructure, there's a substation in switch yard on site, and that allows us to connect into the grid.

[2:03:03] Those are each a little over an acre, and the closest neighbors 500 feet away.

[2:03:07] And then we might potentially need to know when I'm building.

[2:03:10] So depending on if and what projects are to be

[2:03:12] you might have in the area, you know, we might be able to

[2:03:16] share an operations building.

[2:03:17] That would not change that we have full time staff that are

[2:03:20] working on this project in close proximity.

[2:03:23] But we put it there so that it's easier to take something

[2:03:25] way than add it back in.

[2:03:32] So I also wanted to talk about the economic benefits.

[2:03:34] They were mentioned a little bit earlier.

[2:03:36] But again, this is a 40 acre parcel.

[2:03:39] And the battery and infrastructure that will be

[2:03:41] all tier will be over a $200 million investment.

[2:03:45] That will create about 200 jobs during construction

[2:03:48] and two to three full times jobs during operations.

[2:03:51] It'll be local, full time bill, paying jobs.

[2:03:54] And so the property tax revenues alluded to earlier

[2:03:57] will be $1.5 million annually for the life of the project

[2:04:03] totaling over $30 million over a 20 year period.

[2:04:08] We've also, and I've also started conversations with the Labor

[2:04:10] you need an IBEW to make sure that we put the most contracts in front of our team as we're

[2:04:18] selecting construction partners that use their labor that's a priority to us and something

[2:04:23] that we've worked closely with them on.

[2:04:28] I also want to briefly talk about fire safety in

[2:04:32] the unlikely event of a event from occurring. We also have Pedro here who can talk about all

[2:04:42] design level, we comply with all local state federal codes. There's an extensive suite

[2:04:49] of codes that we must follow. We've talked for the fire chief numerous times about it.

[2:04:53] He said no, it's just with the project. Spoke it. The commissioners meeting on Tuesday,

[2:04:58] verified it that as well.

[2:05:00] And so, from there, the technology that we use is lithium iron phosphate. It's a safe and stable chemistry, and then we also have, you know, a thermal management system, explosion prevention systems, like ventilation and gas streamers to prevent anything from occurring, and there's, you know, we follow all codes for the manufacturers or exceed them on distance between equipment.

[2:05:23] From there, so the design is the first layer of protection.

[2:05:28] From there, we have a building management system, the MS.

[2:05:32] And so that monitors the equipment at all time.

[2:05:34] So that's monitoring temperature, communication, state of charge, et cetera.

[2:05:38] A number of things listed there.

[2:05:39] And so if anything looks even slightly off, software shuts down the module.

[2:05:43] So there's an automatic layer to it, which is very good.

[2:05:47] On top of that, we have a few minutes on it.

[2:05:48] So we have the RTV has a remote operation center called the rock in Austin, Texas.

[2:05:54] Someone is watching that 24-7.

[2:05:57] Pardon me?

[2:05:58] Could I ask you to speak up or to the mic?

[2:06:01] Yes, I'm going to interrupt the apologies.

[2:06:02] I'm getting an animated.

[2:06:03] OK, back enough.

[2:06:05] Sorry for that.

[2:06:06] So we have the rock.

[2:06:07] Yeah, I can hear it sounding a lot louder.

[2:06:10] So we have the rock that's in Austin, Texas.

[2:06:13] And that will be 24-7 monitoring from our staff.

[2:06:15] So in addition to having the software that's

[2:06:17] checking everything, making shutting things down,

[2:06:19] if there's even the slightest something looking off,

[2:06:25] the rock has ability to shut down a module immediately

[2:06:28] as well.

[2:06:30] And then furthermore, there's a local fire alarm control panel.

[2:06:34] So in the event, an incident occurs, something heats up.

[2:06:37] There's an incident.

[2:06:38] Obviously, our staff will be notified and locally

[2:06:42] a mess will be as well.

[2:06:45] So we've talked about all of this with cheap Patrick

[2:06:46] Fisher, a couple of times, we've talked about the site over email and in person.

[2:06:52] We will also, as the project advances through engineering design, and as we get closer

[2:06:57] to construction, we'll continue to work on and finalize the emergency services response

[2:07:01] plan with the fire department, and so that will be like, here's all the contact information,

[2:07:06] here's all the equipment we're using, here's the layout of the site, here's the protocol

[2:07:10] in case of an incident, how it worked together, so that there's no questions as to what

[2:07:16] might happen or how to respond, and so we'll continue to work with them on that while in advance

[2:07:21] of operations if we get, you know, the project meets all the rules.

[2:07:25] And then we'll also do in-person trainings before construction, before commissioning, and annually

[2:07:30] for the life of the project.

[2:07:32] So make sure everybody's up to date, everybody knows, you know, who's who from RDBV from the

[2:07:37] fire department and to ensure that everything is good there.

[2:07:57] Additionally, to inform our layout and design, we've done numerous environmental engineering

[2:08:03] health and safety and economic reports to understand the full benefits and potential impact

[2:08:08] on this project.

[2:08:10] You know, we have our experts here who can talk about these a little bit more detailed, but

[2:08:14] again, the takeaways on this are that we avoid all wet and blins and water bodies.

[2:08:19] There's no adverse impact to wildlife due to construction or operations of this project.

[2:08:24] And then there will be no increase in runoff, sedimentation, erosion, etc., and that will be confirmed by the county engineer.

[2:08:31] And specifically, in fact, you know, the pond is a big concern for the neighbors to the south.

[2:08:36] There's been many conversations on that, and so that is a key point of this and something that I wanted to emphasize.

[2:08:45] And so with respect to the community engagement, we've obviously spoken with the fire department numerous times, went through the site review committee to have our plan improved even to be here today.

[2:08:56] We've spoken with the County Attorney about the decommissioning agreement, road disagreement, and economic development agreement to make sure that there's protections for the roads and protections for decommissioning by putting that bond in place up front so that there's money for decommissioning.

[2:09:12] I've spoken on the phone to all of those four direct neighbors that I shared earlier or in person.

[2:09:18] We obviously had to notify them about this today, but I was sending mail to them well in advance of that to talk about.

[2:09:24] So, you know, survey work being done in case they saw trucks around and wanting to get out in front and these transparent about the project as I could be.

[2:09:33] We're also part of, also, to that piece, again, talking with both the laborers and IVW union and look forward to working with them more as we choose our construction partners.

[2:09:46] I also wanted to highlight that were members of EREP, were sponsored or were partnering with Ivy Tech on a pretty cool workshop in November called the Future of Energy Storage.

[2:09:57] So we're going to come talk about batteries, how they support the group.

[2:10:00] We're in potential jobs in the space, so we're really excited about that. And then this weekend, we're helping sponsor the night at the old courthouse.

[2:10:08] And this is just the start and continuation of our committee engagement.

[2:10:14] In terms of timeline for the project, we've obviously done extensive survey and environmental work to get to this point.

[2:10:20] So that's step one. Step two, we're here today for the special use permit. Over the next couple years, there's a few key pieces that will need to be figured out.

[2:10:32] And that's why we're requesting the three-year timeline

[2:10:35] on the before construction.

[2:10:39] So as we mentioned earlier, we need to go through the MISO

[2:10:41] interconnection process.

[2:10:43] The MISO interconnection process.

[2:10:46] That was the generation interconnection agreement

[2:10:48] that we mentioned.

[2:10:50] And so that says you're allowed to connect

[2:10:51] into the grid.

[2:10:52] And that's with MISO and centerpoint.

[2:10:54] That's not related to offtake.

[2:10:55] That's just you're allowed to use this line and connect.

[2:10:59] We also need to go through additional state and local permits.

[2:11:01] and I have a slide on that in a little bit, and so there's, you know, a number of local and

[2:11:06] safe permits that we still have to go through, advancing the engineering design, and

[2:11:10] one of highlight, you know, a lot of work has gone into our design today, and that is basically

[2:11:15] what the site will look like, but they'll be continued electrical work, added to the design

[2:11:19] and things like that. So we feel confident about the layout that we have, and then procuring

[2:11:25] a equipment as well that has long lead time. So that long lead time gives us the time to complete

[2:11:29] these tasks and having a permit allows us to move forward with confidence in our counter

[2:11:35] parties that we're working with, have confidence about the project.

[2:11:40] Some point around 2028 will begin construction and then that would put the project in operations

[2:11:45] around 2029 or 2030 and then after the 20-year life of the project we'll decommission it and

[2:11:52] return the site back to its previous use.

[2:11:56] So I wanted to highlight here just a table of the local and state permits.

[2:12:02] Again, you know, up top is the special use 15 that we're here for today.

[2:12:06] The decommissioning road use an economic agreement.

[2:12:09] I'm going to talk to the county attorney and in front of the commissioners, obviously.

[2:12:13] But we also have, you know, work to do on drainage, getting final site approval.

[2:12:20] You know, storm water permits, et cetera, as well as going to the state for.

[2:12:26] construction and operations permit, and so we're here to work with you all at the local

[2:12:31] level before we go through that.

[2:12:36] So in closing, for this presentation, the Elliott Best

[2:12:40] Project complies with all special use 15 requirements and provides substantial grid benefits.

[2:12:46] It has low impact on the site, naturally well screened, and is in harmony with a comprehensive

[2:12:53] plan and it provides, you know, essential grid services that are needed in this growing energy

[2:12:59] environment. And so, yeah, so today, you know, we're requesting your approval on special

[2:13:06] use 15 and extend the construction for up to three years. Thank you.

[2:13:11] Am I correct that you're not generating any? Yeah, yeah, so it's not like it's just storing it

[2:13:18] to start again later. Okay, exactly. And there's others of these around. Yeah, I think I'll try

[2:13:28] to find a slide that I had. I think they're all over the U.S. We have a giga lot of them

[2:13:34] in operations. Yeah. And then in Indiana, I have the number here. So in Indiana, this is not

[2:13:41] RWA, this is just industry-wide. There's nine operating. There's six under construction in

[2:13:45] Indiana, and there's also a one-by-glot, so it's obviously, it's a lot smaller,

[2:13:51] a storage project in Vanderbilt County at the Volkman solar array.

[2:13:54] So that's not owned by us, that's owned by Senator Point, but it's a solar and

[2:13:56] storage project, so there's actually a battery in this county, and the fire department

[2:14:01] is, we've talked about it, and they're aware of it.

[2:14:04] These other ones that are in Indiana, are any of them RWE's?

[2:14:08] No, they're not owned by RWE, but we have a number of projects that are under permitting,

[2:14:13] and have recently got permits as well.

[2:14:17] Yes.

[2:14:18] Actually, there are significantly more batteries than that.

[2:14:21] My name is Rachel Conner, Denton's Bingham Green Bomb, Dirk.

[2:14:25] I did take that.

[2:14:25] I think we would minister it in part in the U.S. address is 10 West Market Street, Indianapolis,

[2:14:30] Indiana, 46204. The Secretary's

[2:14:33] comments and the Governor's comments were related to new best that have been permitted under

[2:14:39] the permitting regime that was adopted by the State in 2023.

[2:14:42] when they adopted that permitting regime, existing best were given the option to basically

[2:14:49] self-register in the database that is maintained by the Indiana Department of Homeland Security.

[2:14:54] I submitted an Access to Public Records Act request to IDHS in.

[2:15:00] I think February of this year, it ran through January 22nd of 26th, that was the last submitted permit

[2:15:07] and it's issue and stayed on the list. There are 44 best in Indiana, and that is not even a fully

[2:15:14] comprehensive list. I know for a fact, the Harding Street station best on the southwest side of Indiana is

[2:15:20] not on that list. I don't know why they didn't voluntarily register themselves. A lot of them are small,

[2:15:26] So it's probably just more time-consuming for them than it is worth.

[2:15:31] So this is a focus on new best utility scale,

[2:15:35] best coming in under the new permitting regime that was adopted by the Indiana General Assembly.

[2:15:39] But we have dozens of best in Indiana and the oldest is 10 years old.

[2:15:44] It's that hard-earned street station.

[2:15:45] It was built in 2016.

[2:15:48] And it was actually the first standalone best,

[2:15:50] both in the state of Indiana and in Mayso.

[2:15:53] And do you mind if I comment about myself?

[2:15:57] Who are you with?

[2:16:00] Ma'am, who are you with?

[2:16:01] One of the attorneys for the project.

[2:16:03] Didn't think I'm green bomb.

[2:16:04] Reed works in the Evansville office.

[2:16:06] I work in the Indianapolis office.

[2:16:07] And my focus is on energy setting.

[2:16:09] I do this a lot.

[2:16:12] I need a hobby.

[2:16:14] Ms. Kabul, you had asked about my so kind of briefly.

[2:16:18] I just want to make it clear.

[2:16:19] The United States grid is managed by a number

[2:16:22] of grid operators. We have MISO territory, midcontinent, independent service operator and PGM operating

[2:16:32] the grid here in Indiana. You may remember a few years ago there was a lot of news

[2:16:36] about ERCOT, which is Texas's operator. They stand alone. They do not join in with the national

[2:16:41] grid. So when Texas goes down, it goes down by itself. There is no saving them, which we saw

[2:16:47] was very bad when they had ice storms a few years ago. But there are a number of those

[2:16:51] grid operators, storage facilities, generation facilities, major off-takers, they can not just hop onto the grid.

[2:17:02] There has to be some approval from the system operator.

[2:17:06] Those interconnections studies take time.

[2:17:08] There's a team of analysts, usually like a senior engineer and two to three analysts on their team.

[2:17:14] who have a list of projects based on Q-number and they run studies to determine, can that grid segment take power off load power,

[2:17:25] can it have a storage site within that segment?

[2:17:29] Do any upgrades need to happen before it can come online?

[2:17:33] Who's going to pay for those upgrades? What are the upgrades cost that type of stuff?

[2:17:36] So when we say, my so studies and the amount of time is going to take that's what we're talking about.

[2:17:42] Thank you.

[2:17:45] I kind of have just a general question about it.

[2:17:50] So for like however many hundred megawatts that you take in,

[2:17:55] how many can you put back out, like how much is lost in the transfer

[2:17:59] from going from the AC?

[2:18:01] Because this has to go to DC and then back to AC?

[2:18:04] Yes.

[2:18:05] Yeah, it does have go from DC to AC to go back on the grid.

[2:18:08] It would be very minimal.

[2:18:10] I would have to confirm with one of our engineers about the exact amount

[2:18:12] that it is lost, but it's, you know, 200 megawatt battery,

[2:18:15] it's able to take in 200 megawatts, and then it's a four-hour duration.

[2:18:19] So it's able to have to play it over four-hour period.

[2:18:23] So it can take, it takes four hours for it to get that amount in,

[2:18:28] and then it can also disperse it over four hours.

[2:18:30] Yes, yeah.

[2:18:31] So it can deploy it later, you know, and so it charges when there's,

[2:18:34] the way it works is it'll charge, you know, when there's the excess electricity on the grid

[2:18:38] and then, you know, it can hold on to it.

[2:18:39] It's not like it charges four, and then immediately discharge is four,

[2:18:42] and hold on to it and then can deploy it over a period of time.

[2:18:47] Yeah,

[2:18:50] straight ahead.

[2:18:52] So, practical example, I think someone mentioned,

[2:18:54] she just mentioned the ice storm,

[2:18:57] and based on Tommy's question.

[2:19:00] So if we were had to have an ice storm

[2:19:01] and you had that, and the grid went down here in Evansville,

[2:19:04] you would be able to add some of that back to the grid

[2:19:08] over the course of.

[2:19:11] Yeah, yeah, so a battery will, you know,

[2:19:13] if there's a storm, the battery can charge with electricity and then dispatch that, you know,

[2:19:18] so if there's areas that are down, they can provide power to prevent this, brownouts and

[2:19:23] blackouts.

[2:19:25] Yeah.

[2:19:25] Can you speak a little bit to more about the decommissioning, why it's 20 years, is that,

[2:19:30] I mean, because I know we mentioned 10 years, and I know this is new.

[2:19:34] Well, I mean, batteries are growing in popular, I wouldn't say they're new, they're growing

[2:19:38] in popularity and like need nationwide.

[2:19:42] So, the project lifetime is 20 years, so if we, you know, commissioned in 2030, and then it would last for 20 years, that's basically, you know, the battery slowly degrade over time and with this technology, that's basically the lifetime of the project 20 years.

[2:19:57] It might be 21, it's possible, you know, technology.

[2:20:00] So, over this couple of year period before we're procuring equipment, it's possible that there's another year that could be out of it.

[2:20:08] But what's important about the decommissioning agreement is that once we deem that the battery is degraded and we're not able to use it anymore,

[2:20:15] we have two decommissioned the project and return the land back to its previous use.

[2:20:21] And so, over the life of the project, a part of this agreement is that we'll recess the value of the infrastructure every five years to make sure that the bond is keeping up with.

[2:20:29] The cost of the infrastructure and protect the county and neighbors and residents.

[2:20:33] And it's 85 years.

[2:20:37] Every five years, it's really a value wave and determined what the decommissioning cost is.

[2:20:42] And if it has increased, the bond then increases.

[2:20:45] So it is a bond.

[2:20:47] Some form of eight, either a bond or a letter of credit.

[2:20:55] And that's in the decommissioning agreement that we're in front of the commissioners in writing.

[2:21:00] What I was involved in the deep commissioning said to turn it to its previous use, well, it looks like there is no use at the moment.

[2:21:07] Well, it's currently used for agriculture, so at the end of the day after the commissioning it could be used for agriculture again.

[2:21:14] So there will be electrical equipment and there will be concrete foundations for the best equipment.

[2:21:19] We'll take that concrete out and put slow back down if needed in those areas.

[2:21:25] And then it would look like how it currently does.

[2:21:27] And include all testing of soil and all that to make sure everything's good.

[2:21:34] Yeah, well, there wouldn't be any contamination to the soil for this product, so these battery containers are fully contained.

[2:21:39] There's no hazardous material in them, and so there would be nothing to contaminate the soil.

[2:21:44] It would just be concrete that we're taking up and I guess what I mean, I thought you said someone's going to talk about fires.

[2:21:51] So if you're not the right person, I do have a question about if there is a fire.

[2:21:54] I know a little bit, but we've got an expert back there.

[2:21:56] Okay, well, I'll wait till that person.

[2:21:58] I mean, I can bring them up if you have questions.

[2:21:59] Oh, I know if you're going to do a presentation,

[2:22:02] you might answer my question or if you have.

[2:22:04] But, okay, we'll bring Pedro up here.

[2:22:10] Okay.

[2:22:10] Good evening.

[2:22:11] My name is Pedro.

[2:22:12] Doarte, and my address is 1401 East 6 Street in Austin, Texas.

[2:22:18] Okay.

[2:22:19] There you go.

[2:22:19] I'm going.

[2:22:21] So, my question is concerning, if there is a fire,

[2:22:26] And I understand that it's a pretty small possibility that there's a fire.

[2:22:32] But I know the public is concerned about those kind of things.

[2:22:36] So if there is a fire, what's water supply do you utilize to fight the fire?

[2:22:43] Sure. Yeah, and that is an legitimate concern, of course.

[2:22:46] So the likelihood of a better unit going into a thermal runway event or a fire, it's very minimal.

[2:22:55] However, though, in a worst case scenario, the barriers or the barrier containers are designed

[2:23:01] in such a way that they self-consume and they don't propagate to adjacent units.

[2:23:08] So in a worst case scenario, a file would be isolated to let's say one container.

[2:23:14] Now as far as firefighting tactics, the industry standard in our approach, and again, they

[2:23:19] designs in that way is that they let themselves consume because it is a control fire, they

[2:23:26] solve consume, they run our energy and they die out. They've emergency services personnel

[2:23:30] will respond to the set as well as RWE personnel, but it will be more to manage the site and

[2:23:36] is to take a defensive posture. We would have visibility into the site and the containers

[2:23:41] around the site. So if we see that perhaps the heat of a fire is heating up an adjacent unit,

[2:23:48] that's the only time that we would use water, and again, not directly into a container,

[2:23:54] undergone an event, but more so to cool down any adjacent structures. And what are you

[2:23:59] usage on site? It would be just for that, or maybe any couple brush fires, as well as

[2:24:04] for the fire department to be able to utilize it as needed.

[2:24:10] So the point about our source of water?

[2:24:12] So the current, like, base case for the site is to put a water tank by the infrastructure,

[2:24:17] by the best units, you know, we had conversations with T-fisher about, you know, potentially tapping into a water line.

[2:24:24] It is a little bit farther away, so that those are kind of our two options of plug, you know,

[2:24:29] for lack of better terms like plugging into an existing water line and then, you know, being able to provide water on site.

[2:24:35] The lines are a little far away, so in the buttons in caution, we're just,

[2:24:41] the water tank on site, by the best units, and Chief Fisher.

[2:24:49] We're continuing to talk with them about we're going to look into how much it would cost

[2:24:52] to connect those lines.

[2:24:54] He said he had no preference, we'll continue to talk with him, work with the fire department

[2:24:57] and make sure that.

[2:25:00] What are the environmental consequences of the fire?

[2:25:07] Sure. So all of this equipment undergoes a, it's called a UL-9548 test.

[2:25:15] It's basically a large-scale fire test, right? So during that test, they go ahead and they, they, in essence,

[2:25:21] a set of container on fire to evaluate how the fire behaves and also to take some data such

[2:25:27] as gas composition. So, in again, in the unlikely event of something happening because the

[2:25:34] fires isolated to one container, the off-gassing, again, is they are included, they off-gassing,

[2:25:41] the composition and quantities are included in that test report. So, for, let's say, containers such

[2:25:47] you know, one that we may be proposing, the majority of the gases about 98% of the gases

[2:25:53] of the off-gasm would be made out of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide or hydrogen, and then

[2:25:59] the rest, you know, 35% of the hydrocarbons. Because it is isolated, the quantities that are

[2:26:06] emitted are minimal, and because the approach of the strategy is that we won't, we won't have

[2:26:13] anybody closer than 100 feet to a container,

[2:26:17] having an advance, then there is minimal to know

[2:26:22] risk concern in that regard.

[2:26:25] So yeah, we do have the data, as far as they're off-gassing

[2:26:27] and we see based on the numbers that there is no concern like that.

[2:26:32] Okay, maybe not to the current situation,

[2:26:36] but when it gets to be decommissioned,

[2:26:38] like she had asked, you know, these soil samples and that kind of thing,

[2:26:42] even though you say that there's no, it's not something that's going to harm the environment.

[2:26:47] If there is a fire or some other kind of event, is that something then that we're testing

[2:26:51] with a occur?

[2:26:53] So, I mean, I mean, I'm about to speak and then if you want to chime in, but we do have

[2:26:56] an agency department, environmental team that evaluates a site, right?

[2:27:03] Should, again, worst case scenario, we would have a team that would evaluate and we will obviously

[2:27:08] follow whatever guidance and standards that we need to follow to ensure that everything has

[2:27:13] been looked at and the site is deemed safe to operate.

[2:27:17] But it would be addressed at the time, I mean, if the soil is contaminated, it would be

[2:27:23] addressed.

[2:27:24] Oh, you mean like, essentially, for me, I think what we're probably getting at is like we don't

[2:27:29] want to be left with a brownfield site.

[2:27:32] Of course not.

[2:27:33] No, if anything were to happen generally speaking, if anything were needed, you know,

[2:27:38] anything, and in the unlikely event that an incident happens, we would take care of anything

[2:27:42] immediately.

[2:27:43] We have the health and safety team that would be, like, health care and working with us immediately.

[2:27:48] So, like, full stop there, like, we'll take care of it.

[2:27:51] In the event of an incident, though, you know, these are on concrete pads that are wider

[2:27:54] than the best units, so the odds are something going into the soil are extremely minimal.

[2:27:59] And again, there's no hazardous materials in these units.

[2:28:04] They're, you know, the lithium iron.

[2:28:05] So, there's no water involved in this.

[2:28:07] There's no water, no there's no water, I mean there's there's a cooling system like in there

[2:28:14] in France but I mean on the throne over there so the liquid mixture would be a glyco and water

[2:28:21] mixture for the cooling system and this is not the different than what we have at home so it is

[2:28:27] that's the only type of I guess major liquid that would be a concern however worst case in

[2:28:34] But he's a lot of operation, so there is since any percent of that just free flowing all over the place.

[2:28:42] So essentially, because it's sitting on the concrete pad, if there was a fire, it would self-consume on the pad.

[2:28:47] You would not use water to put out the fire because it's going to self-consume.

[2:28:50] And then we have minimal gas that comes from that fire.

[2:28:53] Once that's it, you guys would remove all of that.

[2:28:56] And there would not be really any relation to the soil.

[2:28:59] Yes, exactly.

[2:29:00] That was my question.

[2:29:07] So how large are these individual, even it's like how many kilowatts is one?

[2:29:13] Yes, so the best units that we're planning to use at this time are 10 kilowatts hours.

[2:29:21] It's subject to change.

[2:29:22] So we know we're putting batteries on those pads.

[2:29:28] They're making 10 megawatt hours each battery.

[2:29:31] And so the plan would be to have about a hundred of them on site in that couple acre

[2:29:38] box that we showed on the site so one of these will be similar to like a truck load of

[2:29:45] electric cars. Sure, I mean, there's a little larger than a shipping container. Yeah, so

[2:29:51] essentially you have a similar target capacity to a truck load of electric cars give or take.

[2:29:57] I don't, I'm just saying it's like we have those drivers.

[2:30:00] We're not all the time. Yeah. I mean, there's batteries in those cars that are driving around on the street every day. You see them batteries and almost everything that we use. So it's not a new technology.

[2:30:11] There's going to be about a hundred of them. Can you tell me the dimensions? Yes.

[2:30:17] Let me go up to it. And this was in our site review committee application. I'm going the wrong way.

[2:30:27] So if we look at an individual container, including the foundation, and this is based on the current fluence as a brand,

[2:30:36] better that we're using it, we could switch, and so this is like subject to change, but roughly this is what you could expect for the size of a container,

[2:30:44] including the foundation, about 16 feet and height, and then page your how long or how long are these, what you said.

[2:30:52] Is there about 20 to

[2:30:56] 20?

[2:31:00] Is there any humming or noise associated with them?

[2:31:05] If you were, so the noise that can come from batteries is like fan.

[2:31:08] It's like an HVAC unit.

[2:31:10] So if you were standing next to one, you would hear like a fan.

[2:31:14] If you were across the street, private though, you may not hear.

[2:31:17] Yeah, you may not hear it.

[2:31:19] And part of the reason why the site was chosen to is it's right next to a highway.

[2:31:22] And we were out there on site.

[2:31:23] There's noise there.

[2:31:25] the trees and kind of wooded area to the top acts as really strong buffer, that distance across the lake for a really strong buffer as well.

[2:31:33] And so we'll comply with on top of that, we'll comply with all local regulations related to noise, but because of where the batteries are, they're super tucked in the back, they're far away from homes, as like an added protection, and then in terms of the subsation infrastructure,

[2:31:51] it's exactly what's right next to the homes and neighbors there.

[2:31:54] currently. So let me ask you two more questions. How does our WEE make its money?

[2:32:03] Yeah, so we add a to oversimplify a little bit. We've basically buy that power off the grid

[2:32:08] and then sell it at a slightly higher price. This pricing is going to be way cheaper, like

[2:32:17] the price we're selling back to would most likely be cheaper than if a peak or plant had

[2:32:22] come online.

[2:32:26] So one of the ways that you can have these price spikes on your electricity bill

[2:32:29] would be all the generation that, you know, is normally running throughout the day.

[2:32:33] It's being exhausted to power the grid. The next unit to come online, but, you know, whatever

[2:32:39] generations worth that might be, is usually a very expensive one. And that's why it's the last

[2:32:43] in the pecking order to be used. So they have that unit come online would be very expensive.

[2:32:49] And that's where a batter can come and selling that electricity at a lower cost.

[2:32:55] Let's say electricity goes down a little bit and you're re-supplying it to make up for that loss.

[2:33:04] Is the consumer paying more for that period of time?

[2:33:09] So you're just understanding that if you're buying it for X and you're selling it for X plus.

[2:33:20] Yeah, is that plus being passed along to the consumer?

[2:33:25] Yeah.

[2:33:26] In the state of Indiana, retail customers' rates are set and managed by the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission.

[2:33:32] So the wholesale power rates may fluctuate,

[2:33:36] but retail power rates are managed by the IURC,

[2:33:40] and we also have the Office of Utility Consumer Councilor,

[2:33:44] which is functionally the agency, the state agency,

[2:33:47] that represents rate payer interest.

[2:33:49] So, the wholesale power market that RWA will participate in and the retail power market are

[2:33:56] two slightly different power markets and the retail market here in Indiana is governed

[2:34:01] by that agency.

[2:34:03] So, changes in the wholesale power market do not always immediately reflect in that retail

[2:34:08] market.

[2:34:09] We do often see, have recently seen utilities regulated, retail utilities go to the IURC

[2:34:16] and ask for rate increases.

[2:34:17] that has been common here in Indiana recently, they've had a variety of reasons wanting to create new infrastructure, wanting to transition, old coal plants to new gas plants, wanting to create new major substations, wanting to run new types of infrastructure like the lines that small lines that run in neighborhoods, and also answer increases in cost in the wholesale power market.

[2:34:47] But that immediate call for power that our WE is going to sell is not going to have an immediate reaction in the retail power market

[2:34:56] Yeah, one last question for me is

[2:35:00] On your guy's knowledge of all of these kind of units around the country, have any of them had any kind of security threats or sabotage? Is there any concern for sabotage?

[2:35:16] Respectfully, best units are not the most attractive terrorist domestic or international target that we have on the grid.

[2:35:23] You know, a large power plant is a significantly more attractive target than a small

[2:35:30] best, and I know that this best is a utility scale, but in the grand scheme of power

[2:35:35] assets, 200 megawatt best is significantly smaller than some of our gigawatt and larger

[2:35:43] power facilities here in the United States, our small modular nuclear reactors and other

[2:35:53] in our retail utilities, so the people who are the last mile to the customer, they are significantly,

[2:36:01] I don't want to say vulnerable, but they are targets of cybersecurity threats all of

[2:36:06] the time.

[2:36:07] And that has been one of their primary focuses in the last five years, is showing up their

[2:36:10] vulnerabilities to cybersecurity threats.

[2:36:14] So are they a target they could be?

[2:36:16] But are they the most valuable target are they the most bang for anybody's back?

[2:36:21] They're not.

[2:36:21] Okay, you guys, let's do this.

[2:36:23] Why don't you guys set aside and then we'll have

[2:36:26] the demonstrators have a chance.

[2:36:29] Thank you very much for the donation.

[2:36:31] Good job.

[2:36:32] And then who raised their hand and wanted to come up and

[2:36:36] speak about this application?

[2:36:41] I don't care.

[2:36:43] I don't care who's first,

[2:36:49] but just remember,

[2:36:50] please start with your name and address just for the record.

[2:36:52] Thank you.

[2:36:53] Good afternoon.

[2:36:54] I'm Josh Pertzer.

[2:36:55] I reside at 9.22.

[2:36:57] North County Road 700 West in Richland, Indiana.

[2:37:01] I'm a business agent with the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers,

[2:37:04] here at local 16 at Evansville.

[2:37:06] I'm here today in support of this proposed 200 megawatt battery energy storage system

[2:37:10] in North East and Vancouver County.

[2:37:12] Projects like this represent an opportunity for Vancouver County

[2:37:15] to make productive use of its land while bringing meaningful economic benefits to the community.

[2:37:22] This project is expected to generate, like I said,

[2:37:25] approximately one and a half million attacks revenue each year for over 20 years, while also providing an important source of income for local landowners who are willing to host the project.

[2:37:36] Just as importantly, the construction phase is expected to create approximately 200 plus construction jobs.

[2:37:43] From the IVEW perspective, we hope those opportunities will be filled by qualified local workers wherever possible.

[2:37:51] including electricians, equipment operators, iron workers, laborers, other skilled tradespeople

[2:37:57] from Vanderbilt County in the surrounding areas.

[2:38:01] I also want to recognize the project commitment to safety.

[2:38:04] The battery storage system will utilize an up-to-date fire alarm control panel system and

[2:38:08] modern safety technology designed to address the specific safety considerations associated with

[2:38:14] the battery energy storage facilities.

[2:38:16] These are the kind of projects that can put our local people to work.

[2:38:19] Support local businesses generate tax revenue, provide income for local landowners, and bring long-term economic benefits to the community.

[2:38:29] As a representative of the electrical trades, I believe that we should encourage responsible development that provides a good construction opportunities,

[2:38:36] incorporates modern safety measures, and allows qualified local workers to participate in the work taking place in their own community.

[2:38:42] For those reasons, I respectfully asked the Board to consider the economic workforce, landowner and safety benefits of this project and to support the proposed battery storage facility.

[2:38:52] Thank you for your time and allow me to thank you for being here.

[2:38:56] Who's next?

[2:39:00] No, no.

[2:39:01] Not all at the same time.

[2:39:04] Oh, here's one.

[2:39:07] You know, but you still got to say it.

[2:39:09] Chris Thomes, 57, 33 Shadow Creek Lane, Newburg, Indiana.

[2:39:15] So I wasn't planning on coming up here today.

[2:39:17] I was here for another matter, but when I heard what was going on, and I've heard a

[2:39:20] little bit about this project, and I'm here to support it.

[2:39:25] And I'm a local developer, lifelong resident, band of Bergen Warwick County.

[2:39:30] I went a plastics plant just to the east of this.

[2:39:33] On the other side of 69, and I'm currently developing a 178-lot residential subdivision, not

[2:39:38] for our south on North Green of a road. So one of the things I want to encourage and been

[2:39:45] mean to come down here we've developed 19 residential subdivisions of my career and we strongly

[2:39:52] encourage the forward to try to encourage the development in the area because our growth in this area.

[2:40:00] Is not what we needed to be over the last 20 years. So, I strongly encourage you to support any type of economic development. And certainly this project is not an issue at all, environmentally or whatever. So, anyway, that's all I really have to say.

[2:40:17] All right. Thank you for being here.

[2:40:18] have. Anybody else?

[2:40:25] Go on once. Go on twice.

[2:40:33] Okay. Okay, so what I'm, what I think would be

[2:40:36] a good idea at request of our council is to take a small brief break and let our council

[2:40:45] talk to some of your reps and maybe handle some details and then come back and we'll finish

[2:40:53] So, it's amazing.

[2:40:54] We'll take a few minutes.

[2:40:55] Thank you.

[2:40:56] Thank you.

[2:40:58] Before you want to go, sir?

[2:41:01] I see.

[2:41:07] I was going to put in a couple of times, but I didn't think that was the most

[2:41:11] of the time.

[2:41:12] We did.

[2:41:14] In the spring we grew a shane look at our hands.

[2:41:17] And we don't use the same.

[2:41:19] So we're going to like put in the open.

[2:41:21] We don't look at that look at our hands.

[2:41:22] We don't use the same.

[2:41:23] And we don't have to think that's what we're doing.

[2:44:17] I don't know what to say, but I don't know what to say, but I don't know what to say.

[2:44:55] I think that's what I'm talking about, and that's what I'm talking about, and that's what I'm talking about.

[2:46:41] Okay, if we could pull it back together, if that's all right.

[2:46:47] So,

[2:46:51] Dirk, what would you have us know?

[2:46:54] I would say if there are no further questions and I think you're ready for motion. Very well.

[2:47:04] I would move approval of the special use permit 15 for the LA best project.

[2:47:09] I second. We have a motion. We have a second. Please call the roll.

[2:47:17] Ms. Kasha? Yes. Mr. Roodle? Yes.

[2:47:22] Mr. Shattler? Yes.

[2:47:26] Ms. Kabul? Yes.

[2:47:29] Mr. Petki.

[2:47:31] First, I'd like to say thank you everybody for the investment in our county.

[2:47:34] We really appreciate that.

[2:47:35] And I don't think we sell it.

[2:47:37] We tell that to our applicants enough.

[2:47:39] But I vote yes.

[2:47:40] And I see that it is approved with five yes and zero noes.

[2:47:44] Thank you. Well done. Thank you.

[2:47:45] Thank you.

[2:47:48] Okay, any other business for the business of business?

[2:47:52] All right, that's all she wrote, meeting is adjourned, we'll see you next month.

[2:47:56] What did I come up there?

[2:47:58] Oh my god, I lost Jim's.

[2:48:02] And that's.

[2:48:05] What's going to be pretty awkward for him because it's just like,

[2:48:08] Thank you.

[2:48:13] Thank you.

[2:48:15] Yeah, very excited.

[2:48:16] Thank you.

[2:48:19] You're very just getting safe there.

[2:48:21] I'm sorry.

[2:48:22] You did a good job.

[2:48:24] Thank you.

[2:48:25] Thank you.

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