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And you never know when an emergency
situation will happen. That's why
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[music] the Fairfield Area Community
Emergency Response Team or CERT C is
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here. Cert is made up of trained
volunteers ready to take care of
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themselves, their families, and their
neighbors when disaster strikes. Through
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20 hours of hands-on training led by
local emergency [music] management,
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members learn vital skills like disaster
preparedness, fire safety, medical
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operations, and search and rescue. Join
[music] C today and be ready to make a
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difference when it matters most. New
members training will be on Saturday,
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January 10th [music] and 17th, 2026.
Both training days will run from 8:00
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a.m. to 6:00 p.m. at [music] the
Fairfield Community Center, 61 Water
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Street, Fairfield, Maine. The [music]
class is limited to 20 participants and
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registration is required. To register,
email info at fairfield-me.gov [music]
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or call to 074537911.
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[music]
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To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it
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stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
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for all.
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Good evening everyone. Wish you an early
merry Christmas and happy holidays.
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» Thank you.
>> Quick reminder to please silence your
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cell phones.
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First order of business, public
announcements. Details may be found at
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www.fairfield-me.gov.
[6:01]
All non-emergency town offices will
close at noon on December 24th and will
[6:05]
be closed December 25th and the 26th for
the Christmas holiday. All non-emergency
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town offices will be closed on Monday,
January January 1st for the New Year's
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holiday. I don't think it's Monday.
>> It's not Monday.
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» Wednesday.
>> Wednesday.
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» What's holiday?
>> Wednesday. January 1st.
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» In December, council begins reviewing
appointment applications for
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» Thursday. Thursday, January. [laughter]
Like, it's not Wednesday either.
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» Yeah, Wednesday's New Year's.
>> We'll get there.
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» Thursday.
>> In December, council begins reviewing
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appointment applications for upcoming
volunteer positions on local boards and
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committees, including the following:
budget committee, planning board, land
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use board of appeals, board of
assessment review, and voter
[6:52]
registration board of appeals. If you
are interested in serving your
[6:55]
community, please complete an
appointment application form available
[6:59]
online or at the town office.
Appointments are made at the town
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council's January annual organizational
meeting, which I believe is January
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14th. Am I correct?
>> Yeah.
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» Yeah.
>> Dog licenses are due. Any dogs
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registered after January 31st, 2026 will
receive a $25 late fee per dog. Proof of
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current rabies vaccination is required.
There is still time to sign up for the
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cert training. Please email info@f
fairfield-me.gov
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to reserve your spot.
Uh that search training is two Saturdays
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right in January.
>> Second and third Saturday
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» 10 hours each hours each day 8 to 6.
>> And and I know we've had some very good
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» Yep. I'll talk
>> anticipation started already. Yeah.
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» All right.
>> Cops Care for Kids will be Friday,
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December 19th from 400 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.
at the Fairfield Community Center.
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Please sign your children up at the
fairfield copscare.com.
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And when you walk in, the place is
beautiful. We just did a quick walk
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through and I think kids will be very,
very happy to see what the cops have
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done for them this year.
The town office is hosting a diaper
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drive. Diapers and/or wipes of all sizes
and brands can be dropped off at the
[8:20]
town office or food pantry. The deadline
is February 1st, 2026.
[8:25]
Lawrence Public Library
[8:30]
Library holiday party Thursday, December
18th at 3:30 p.m. New programs,
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community conversations on Tuesday
mornings at 10:30 a.m. and Baby and Me
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playgroup on Friday mornings at 10:30
a.m.
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Second order of business, public
hearings. We have none. The order third
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order of business, public comments.
These comments will be limited to three
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minutes. Members of the public may speak
to the council or request an opportunity
[8:57]
to speak on a specific item that's on
the agenda or may email comments for
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council to info@fairfield-me.gov
by 4 p.m. day of meeting. Submitted
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content may be read aloud at this time.
Do we have anybody who would like to
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make a comment or reserve time to speak
on an item of the
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» question Max for for item 81?
>> But he's part of the committee. So
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» what's that? he would be part of the
committee that would give the
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» presentation. I want to present anyways.
[clears throat]
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» Bob, how are you?
>> I am well, thank you. Um, this is this
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comment will be directly
directed to Stephanie with the cert
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training
and your first aid portion. If you're
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looking for a injured person to maybe
carry up and downstairs or twoman carry
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outside, whatever, I'd be willing to
volunteer. I wanted to partake in a sort
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of training, but I just can't. So, I
feel this is just another small way of
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me help [snorts]
towards the town.
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» Thank you very much, Bob. Um, I will let
Sarah know about this and I um if I need
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to get in touch with you to let you know
of your services,
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I will call.
>> Thank you so much, Bob.
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Anybody else?
Okay, seeing none, we'll move on. Fourth
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order business, town manager and
committee reports. Town manager report.
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All right. So, on November 25th, the
code enforcement officer and I met with
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KB Cog staff to discuss a housing needs
assessment that they are working on for
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the town of Fairfield. This assessment
is funded through a housing opportunity
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program grant through the state. So, it
is of complete free of charge to the
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municipality. Um, and it will give us a
lot of things that we need. Some of it
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is some GIS mapping of some of our
infrastructure as well as some good
[11:04]
mapping for layouts of the community.
So, we're excited about this project.
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um it's not anything that they've ever
done before. They're using Fairfield as
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a guinea pig um to work out the process
and then hopefully KV Cog hopes to be
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able to um make this process available
to other communities that are members of
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of KV COB's um catchment area. So, we're
we're excited about this process getting
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that started. November 27th and 28th,
all non-emergency services were closed
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for the Thanksgiving holiday. December
2nd, the library was closed due to the
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weather. They were closed completely.
The town office did close at 11:00 and
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all committee meetings on the 2nd were
also canceled due to the storm. The
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December 4th I attended the ice arena
steering committee meeting and the 16th
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of December I attended the building
committee meeting. Just a couple of
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project updates for you. Budget prep
continues at this point. Um we're
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waiting on some data from outside
sources such as mainstate retirement,
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those sort of things that are big
components within your budget that we do
[12:02]
not have what those numbers are yet. We
also are working on our meetings with
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our union contract renewals. So the hope
is right now that we'll get those union
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meetings out of the way the first part
of January. You'll have your budget and
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they will schedule the meeting
tenatively for council being that is it
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the it's a fourth or the third weekend
in January. It's the cert teams
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it's the third Saturday in January I
think cert teams snow date. If they
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don't need that then we'll bump it to if
they do need it we'll bump it to the
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31st. Uh that's the tenant plan right
now, but you'll have the budget by the
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end of January. Um and then also, uh the
contract was signed for KRG First Park's
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new executive director this week. Um
that press release was handed out to you
[12:44]
tonight, so you have a copy of that.
We're really excited about her getting
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started. Uh she was the uh director down
at the Brunswick Landing, so we're
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really hoping her expertise is going to
bring a lot more businesses to this
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region. So that's it for me.
>> All right. Thank you.
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uh thank our department heads. We we
have our monthly uh report. It's very
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in-depth. Thank you again. I'm just
going to bring up a quick uh the
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reval is going on and I I just want to
report that they have mentioned a little
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over 1.3 million in new um assessed
value that they've done. So that will
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help our town revenue when we get in the
budget process. So again, all
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departments, thank you.
Yes. And that's value that will hit
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immediately, not not value that has to
wait for the for bail to be complete.
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So, yep.
>> Okay. Committee reports. We'll start
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with economic development.
>> Well, as you heard Michelle say, we
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didn't meet on December 2nd because of
the storm. And so, our next meeting is
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going to be January 6th at 3:30 here in
council chambers. Um, just so you all
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know, we have seven more openings for
the CERT C training. The CERT C training
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is on the second and third Saturdays in
January with a snow date of the 4th if
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we need it. Um, it they are 10-hour
days. People are asked to bring their
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lunch. Uh, it's open not just for
Fairfield citizens, but for people in
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our surrounding area, um, from age from
high school seniors on up. So, um,
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again, there are seven positions that
are still vacant and we would love to
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have them all filled
>> and that's it.
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» Dr. Towns and PFA,
>> we had a probably a very uh robust
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meeting scheduled for uh December 2nd,
but that one got snowed out. Uh, so we
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are rescheduling at this point to
January 12th um for us. So, that was
[14:47]
again meeting with the legislators and
kind of going over the situation than
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our reports. So, January 12th, I think
about six o'clock at that point. So,
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that'll be a uh that is a trying to look
real quick.
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» Monday.
>> That is a Monday. Yep.
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» Okay. I'm going to uh I'll do Ice Arena
first since um building's going to be a
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little bit longer. Um so, Ice Arena, we
met in in December. I totally forgot all
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my notes on my desk. Um,
we met with Sheridan and we went over
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some of the plans that the prior group
from Central Main um, youth hockey and
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the Alphon Center had. Um, they had a
number of different plans, different
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price ranges, different sizes. What we
have decided to do um, was see how much
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accessible land we have um, how much of
it is going to be waste land that we
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can't use. what do we do with the PFA
land like building a mound for maybe a
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sledding hill or whatever. Uh but we're
going to take a backwards approach to
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come into this with what kind of size
building can we have first of all
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depending on the amount of parking
spaces that will be available. So our
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next next meeting will be in January and
hopefully we'll have some more
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information at that time uh to bring
back. So kind of a backwards approach
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but we would like to see you know what's
our maximum footprint before we can do
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anything else. Dr. T am I leaving
anything else?
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» No, those are big ones. I think backing
into it and kind of looking what we can
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do.
>> Yep.
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» Yeah.
>> Um, next meeting is in January.
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Michelle, the other date cuz again I
left my my notes. [snorts]
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» 22nd is what I had.
>> 22nd at the wrong month. That's why
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» should be a Thursday I believe again.
>> Oh,
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» yep.
>> I don't Okay,
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» sure. [snorts] So tenatively January
22nd 6 p.m. right here council changes.
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» Okay. Um Peter building committee.
>> Oh the building committee met last night
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at 5:00.
Um
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we only had three members there and we
discussed about the building RFP
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and
I'm going to introduce Max who is going
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to brief that from a billing committee.
we want
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» when we get to that item. It's it's an
item on the agenda.
[17:10]
» Okay. So, we'll wait till the last one.
>> Yeah.
[17:13]
» Okay. So, Max, we're going to put you
off.
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[clears throat]
>> Okay. That's it for the for committees
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for now. Fifth order business, the
consent agenda. These items are
[17:25]
considered routine or standard business
and therefore will be enacted by one
[17:29]
motion. There will be no separate
discussion of these items unless a
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council member so requests private
consideration of this portion of the
[17:36]
agenda in which event the item will be
removed from the consent agenda and
[17:40]
considered next on the agenda.
Seeing none, item 25-124
[17:46]
ordered that the Fairfield Town Council
hereby waves the reading of and accepts
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the minutes for meeting 2025-20
held on November 19th, 2025.
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» So moved. Second.
>> No, we got two more.
[18:01]
» That's That's fine. We'll read them all.
Item 25-125.
[18:06]
Order that the town council hereby
approves the treasures warrant number 91
[18:10]
in the amount of 1,45,86822
[18:16]
include but not limited to motor vehicle
fees, MSAD 49 December allocation, main
[18:23]
municipal employee health and OKConor
GMC. Item 25-126
[18:29]
order. The town council hereby approves
and signs the sewer certificate of
[18:34]
commitment in the amount of $164,92.50
[18:39]
for the fourth quarter fiscal year sewer
billing for the period of 10125 through
[18:45]
123125.
How about now?
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» Now make a motion. Second.
>> So I have a motion by council towns and
[18:52]
second by councelor Tibido. Any
questions?
[18:57]
Seeing none, all those in favor. It's
unanimous. 5-0.
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Six. Order of business. Discuss the
traffic concerns raised by residents at
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11:119 meeting. So this will be on the
intersection,
[19:13]
I believe, Norwalk Road and it
>> was No, no, it was 10 lots, Davis Road,
[19:19]
Martin Street, and Six Rod. The
>> the four-way intersection on Davis Road.
[19:24]
Yep.
And you received a memo from Chief Gold.
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» Y
[19:40]
pros and cons it looks like at this
point.
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» Yeah. What do you What do you think, Dr.
T? I mean, you look at it and just what
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he's saying, you do have the stops and
maybe you'll have fewer uh t-bone type
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uh accidents, but you worry about the
ones of people going straight on through
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because they're used to it not being a
stop. You're worrying about the backup
[20:00]
of traffic and the rear ending. So, I'm
not sure which one's better or worse,
[20:04]
but I definitely see it when it's out
there and people that live out there uh
[20:08]
can understand it.
[20:12]
Yes, we added reflectors several years
ago to help draw more attention to that
[20:16]
area. The issue we had with like so if
you did like blinking flashing lights,
[20:20]
there's no there's no power supply and
there's not enough we don't believe
[20:26]
enough u visibility for solar generated
lights in that area. So,
[20:32]
» so basically that intersection where
where six rod Martin stream connect
[20:38]
there are no stop signs. There's stop
both ways on Davis Road and 10 lots
[20:43]
road. I think the I live on that road as
well. So I think the problem that we're
[20:48]
dealing with is this time of year
particularly with sundown. I think
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you're going to see more of the
accidents early morning when sun's
[20:56]
coming up going down the six rod road
from Martin Stream and accidents going
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through the four-way at night at
twilight or or 4 to 5:00 um where the
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sun is is blinding in those areas
I would say
[21:13]
you know the blinking the blinking
lights on the stop signs
[21:17]
to to me would make sense because it's
not really in either view of the done.
[21:23]
Uh so if we were going to pursue it any
further, I would look at that where
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those are really the only two stops.
People are just blowing through those.
[21:31]
They've been a stop sign for 70 years,
as long as a road's been there. Um Six
[21:37]
Rod Martin has never it's never been a
four-way stop sign. So unlike what
[21:41]
they've changed on uh Fairfield Street,
Oakland Road, Gagnen Road, and County
[21:46]
Road, um those are now a complete
four-way stop. That was another bad
[21:51]
intersection. Had a lot of accidents. Um
>> well, the chief does say that there's
[21:56]
only been three accidents since January
1st of 2023.
[22:01]
Um there were eight crashes from 2020 to
2022.
[22:08]
So in a period of 5 years has been total
of 11.
[22:12]
» Yeah.
So
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» I I honestly think it's something we
just we make note of it, keep it on our
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radar. It is a 35 mph zone through
there. So six rod does change over from
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45 to 35 about 9/10 of a mile going up
right after you get by myself and
[22:31]
Tommy's place. Um
people people fly no different than any
[22:37]
other road. So, um, I think we just make
it a concern and and keep it on the
[22:42]
radar. If it becomes more of a problem,
then we readress it with maybe the
[22:45]
blinking stop signs.
>> Are there thoughts on like is is there
[22:52]
really the situation they don't think
that is enough power with the solar?
[22:57]
» I mean, so I mean, you can always we
could look at removing trees and and
[23:01]
that kind of stuff, but um, that was the
feedback that I received. I didn't
[23:06]
actually drive out there and, you know,
do a lookie around. Um, those units do
[23:10]
cost anywhere between $1,000 to $3,000 a
piece. And then there's battery
[23:15]
maintenance and battery maintenance
doesn't work real well in main winters.
[23:18]
That's the other part of that. So, you
create an expectation that there's going
[23:21]
to be a light flashing and then that
light goes away. Do you then in turn
[23:24]
create a different hazard? So, that's
why the chief also mentioned, you know,
[23:28]
we would want to potentially look, you
would potentially look at engineering
[23:31]
study done in that area. Um, and because
it's not a state road, you'd actually
[23:35]
have to pay for that piece, whereas
usually we when it's on a state road, we
[23:38]
ask them to do it and they fit us in
their schedule. Um, so I mean there are
[23:43]
things that you could do,
will they work? Um, so the reflector
[23:48]
piece that was done, so he is stating,
you know, that public works place stop
[23:52]
signs on both sides at the end of 10
lots and Davis Road and added reflectors
[23:56]
several years past. a clear downward
trend. Eight crashes from 20 to 22 with
[24:02]
only three since 1123 which supports the
conclusion that the corrections reduced
[24:06]
crashes. Next logical step would then in
the process would be to change the
[24:11]
intersection to four-way or add solar
flashing stop and warning signs. So it'd
[24:14]
be up to the council as to what you want
to do.
[24:17]
» I know that in the roads I don't believe
it there it says stop ahead in the road.
[24:22]
Would that make a big difference? Does
does it Tom?
[24:25]
» Okay. Well, I believe both Davis and 10
lots, right, Tom?
[24:28]
» Yep.
>> Y we've done a lot over the years to to
[24:32]
prevent what's been happening. We've
added stop ahead signs on both sides of
[24:37]
the roads as you approach it. Then you
got two stop signs instead of just one.
[24:41]
You have reflective. Sorry, [laughter]
>> he's new. Forgive him.
[24:45]
» You also have the reflective strips that
we added and we cleared the ditches of
[24:50]
brush and everything else. So, it's
quite a I mean, you I don't know if
[24:54]
you're familiar with the Davis Road, but
as you round that corner, just before
[24:58]
you round the corner, there's two stop
ahead signs right there. You have to be
[25:01]
able to see them. And then as soon as
you round the corner, you can see both
[25:04]
stop signs instead of just one stop
sign, which you normally have. So, we've
[25:08]
done a lot over the past years to try to
prevent this. And my opinion, I think
[25:13]
it's just driver and attention and
speed. Yeah.
[25:17]
» Speed. Speed and attention. Absolutely.
[25:23]
Thank you.
Any other discussion on that for now? Do
[25:28]
you ask for just a department of
engineer uh department of
[25:31]
transportation,
you know, review and on their on their
[25:35]
schedule?
>> We can find out how much one would cost
[25:38]
us.
>> That'd be great.
[25:39]
» Yep. [clears throat]
[25:43]
» Okay. Thank you. We'll move on. Uh item
two,
[25:48]
» there was one more piece to that. It was
the other letter that you also got from
[25:51]
the Department of Transportation that
was dated back in March. It was just a
[25:54]
followup because there was a
conversation about the rumble strip that
[25:57]
was on the Norwalk Road.
>> So, and in this letter, we had
[26:01]
previously asked that rumble strips be
put in and we were denied
[26:05]
» um but in um 2025, we did we had asked
for it again because they had done a
[26:11]
2019 review um and did not show any
deficiencies in the highway signs or
[26:16]
striping. The review did show the 50th
percentile speed of drivers was 57 miles
[26:21]
per hour and 85th percentile speed was
62 miles per hour. As a result of that
[26:25]
review, we also determined that this
segment of highway did not meet the
[26:29]
threshold for installation of rumble
strips at that time. Since then, our
[26:33]
threshold for the installation of rumble
strips has changed and promoted and
[26:36]
prompted by your letter. I have worked
with our folks overseeing rumble strips
[26:40]
and reached an agreement with the
installation of rumble strips that will
[26:43]
be programmed in the Norwalk Road
anywhere the speed limit is 45 mph or
[26:47]
greater from town line to town line in
those areas where the pavement
[26:51]
conditions is sufficient to support
these effective safety features. So,
[26:57]
it it may be that
the rumble strips that are there are not
[27:01]
meeting folks expectations, but we were
lucky to get what we got because they
[27:05]
had previously determined we weren't
even going to get those.
[27:09]
So, I just wanted to follow up. I knew
we had gotten something and and I wanted
[27:13]
to give this to you so that you had
that.
[27:14]
» Those are in place. I drove out last
night. So, I I think that will make a
[27:18]
difference. Again, it's more the
intersection where the old Melly Ranch
[27:22]
is
>> um by by Pirate Lane just after that. I
[27:26]
think that's where we're seeing all
these accidents. But again, it's
[27:31]
» the road work has been done. Um the stop
ahead is is already on the ground. It's
[27:37]
there. It's just driver in attention and
speed. They're blowing through a stop
[27:41]
sign at the Melody Ranch. You're going
on another road. I I don't know what
[27:45]
we're going to do to deter or stop that.
I saw a tractor trailer just missed a
[27:49]
car about 20 ft the other morning. It
was just like just she pulled the person
[27:54]
pulled right out. Uh yeah, just driving
her attention like oh my gosh. But yeah,
[27:59]
it happens.
>> I mean it's odd that we see it at that
[28:01]
intersection, but you've got a place on
the Culver Road. You know, Norwalk meets
[28:05]
Kula Road the exact same way
>> and we don't see that at that
[28:10]
intersection. So I think just people
coming off the back road from Scow
[28:13]
Heaggan are not paying attention. and
they're just blowing through that stop.
[28:17]
So,
>> was the original request though that we
[28:19]
heard um I think I forget who it was
requested rumble strips going across the
[28:26]
road. This letter is referring to center
line rumble strips.
[28:29]
» Yeah. And they won't do those,
>> right?
[28:32]
» They won't do those skeleagan on 2011.
They got straight in the middle of the
[28:36]
road,
>> right? I effectively still using north
[28:40]
as group one cranking.
>> They don't make a difference. Rumble
[28:44]
strips don't make a difference.
>> I just I just wanted for for clarity to
[28:48]
for closure that the request was that we
look into rumble strips going across the
[28:53]
road and we know that's not going to
happen. I think they only use those for
[28:56]
the approaching a stop.
>> They typically they use them like they
[29:00]
have them at the approaches for the toll
booths and that kind of stuff to slow
[29:03]
people down, but they won't they I don't
think that they will ever ever give you
[29:07]
one for
>> No. in the back road. a 45 mph road. So,
[29:10]
it's not going to meet their description
of of putting in rumble strips anyway,
[29:15]
other than an actual stop light, which
still isn't going to stop them if
[29:18]
they're not paying attention.
>> If you're on your cell phone and not
[29:21]
paying attention,
whether you're watching a Tik Tok or
[29:24]
talking to somebody or screaming at your
kid in the back seat, it it it has an
[29:28]
impact on on everybody else around you.
So,
[29:31]
» it happens.
I I'm happy we got the the median rumble
[29:35]
strips and you know at least they're
paying attention. Not going to hit a
[29:39]
semi coming at him at 60 mph in the
opposite direction.
[29:45]
Okay. Well, thank you for those reports.
Um item two, the fire chief's truck has
[29:51]
been leed by Davis Vinyl. I think we've
seen the pictures. Looks like
[29:54]
» I actually saw it last night out there
and touched it. We actually had a tour
[29:59]
of this truck last night.
Chief, are you happy with that?
[30:04]
» Yep.
>> Abs. Absolutely.
[30:06]
» Any other discussion?
>> Remove that.
[30:12]
» Can we remove that off old business?
>> Yeah.
[30:16]
» Uh item three, committee meeting
recordings.
[30:19]
» Really haven't had any
>> no meeting
[30:21]
» committees to record. It's okay.
>> We'll keep that for for next meeting.
[30:27]
Seventh order of business to take action
on the following items of business. Item
[30:32]
25-127.
Order that the town council hereby
[30:36]
authorizes the town clerk to issue a
letter of approval to the Grover
[30:40]
Hinckley American Legion Post 14 located
at 86 Main Street to operate Bingo Bino
[30:47]
Games of Chance and Cribage for the
period of January 1st, 2026 to December
[30:52]
31st, 2026.
>> So move
[30:54]
» second. Motion by councel Lawrence,
second by councelor Tibido. Any
[30:58]
discussion?
Seeing none. All those in favor?
[31:02]
Unanimous. 5-0.
Item 25-128.
[31:08]
Order that the Fairfield Town Council
hereby authorizes the town clerk to
[31:11]
issue a letter of approval to the
Fairfield VFW Memorial Post 6924
[31:16]
located at 246 Main Street to operate
Bingo Bino Games of Chance and Cribage
[31:22]
for the period of January 1st, 2026 to
December 31st, 2026. So move
[31:28]
» second.
>> Motion by council Lawrence, second by
[31:31]
Council Tibido. Any discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor?
[31:36]
Unanimous. 50.
Item 25-129.
[31:42]
Order that the town council hereby
adopts the animal housing contract for
[31:46]
January 1st, 2026 through December 31st,
2027.
[31:58]
» Second
>> motion by councelor Townson, second by
[32:01]
council Lawrence.
discussion.
[32:06]
» Michelle, did they go up on their costs?
The fee is exactly the same.
[32:10]
» Yeah, the same.
[32:14]
» Good question.
>> Any other discussion?
[32:19]
» And we did, just so you're aware, just
for price comparison, did reach out to
[32:22]
the Waterville Animal Shelter. Uh the
chief has reached out to them a couple
[32:26]
of times and has received no response
from them. So,
[32:30]
Any
[32:34]
other comments or discussion? Seeing
none, all those in favor?
[32:39]
Unanimous. 5-0.
[clears throat]
[32:43]
Eighth order business. Council workshop
and other business discuss the RFP from
[32:48]
the building committee.
Max Kenny, you have the four, please.
[32:57]
» Michelle, did the council get the most
updated version? Yes, they did this
[33:00]
afternoon.
>> Um, I jotted some notes down just so I
[33:04]
make sure I hit all the points that I
wanted to. So, I'll read that. Um, and
[33:07]
then at the end, we can certainly go
through the RFP in more detail if
[33:09]
there's any questions from the council.
Uh, good evening, counselors. My name is
[33:13]
Max Kenny. I'm the secretary of the
current Fairfield Building Committee and
[33:17]
was nominated by the committee to
provide an overview to the council of
[33:20]
the work completed to date and the
proposed request for proposals RFP and
[33:26]
what work we hope to accomplish in 2026.
In the spring of 2024, the town's ad hoc
[33:32]
building advisory committee completed
their work with a report that identified
[33:36]
major deficiencies with the existing
police station, Lawrence Savire Station,
[33:40]
and town office buildings. The committee
recommended the town employer service to
[33:45]
evaluate upgrades to the existing
facilities or a potential new municipal
[33:49]
complex.
In the in the summer of this year, the
[33:53]
current building committee organized and
we toured the existing police station,
[33:56]
the fire station, and town office
buildings. There was a number of new
[33:59]
committee members, including myself,
that weren't on the prior building
[34:02]
committee. So, we thought it was
important that we got to see um the
[34:05]
items firsthand.
Um our findings were pretty eye opening
[34:10]
and as one member put it, honestly,
pretty embarrassing.
[34:13]
Uh common deficiencies identified by the
committee included lack of sec secure
[34:18]
document storage space, outdated and
broken kitchen and bathroom facilities,
[34:22]
insufficient parking, inefficient and
poor quality mechanical systems, sinking
[34:27]
foundations, cracked walls, limited
space for current and future department
[34:31]
operations, and what we found most
alarming was a complete lack of modern
[34:35]
safety features in all of the buildings.
um especially for operations that are
[34:41]
public facing like the all of our
departments are.
[34:45]
Um believing that upgrades and/or
replacement of the existing buildings is
[34:49]
necessary, the committee visited newly
constructed Scow Heaggan and Newport
[34:53]
public safety facilities to review those
spaces and get some lessons learned. Um
[34:57]
these tours were helpful and gave us an
idea of what is possible for Fairfield.
[35:01]
Today we are asking the council for
support to issue an RFP entitled space
[35:06]
needs assessment and feasibility study
for a new municipal complex. The
[35:10]
committee members recognize that we are
not qualified building professionals and
[35:13]
recommend the town hire a qualified
engineering consultant to perform the
[35:17]
work outlined in the RFP. The RFP
includes details on the existing town
[35:21]
office, Lawrence Sav fire station and
police station. We have also included
[35:25]
design goals which are really a wish
list of facility components identified
[35:29]
by the department staff as priorities
for upgraded or new facilities. The
[35:34]
committee and staff are very aware that
not all of these design goals will come
[35:39]
to fruition, but our objective as part
of this RFP is to identify costs and
[35:43]
make cuts based upon the funding that we
achieve.
[35:46]
The work required in this RFP is broken
down into seven strategic tasks that
[35:50]
build on the work from each prior task.
Task one is an independent space needs
[35:55]
assessment for the town office, police
and fire departments independent from
[35:58]
their existing as well as proposed
facilities. We want to know how much
[36:02]
space is actually needed for the current
and future operations of these
[36:05]
departments.
Phase two is a phys physical assessment
[36:09]
of the existing buildings and
determination if they can be upgraded to
[36:12]
meet the current and future needs of the
departments. If they could be upgraded,
[36:16]
how much is that going to cost? Task
three. The committee reviewed potential
[36:21]
locations for a new municipal complex
and we all agreed that one industrial
[36:25]
drive next to the public works
department is the most advantageous site
[36:28]
within our community. Task three seeks a
site evaluation to determine the
[36:33]
feasibility of housing a new municipal
complex at that one industrial drive uh
[36:37]
location.
Task four is to develop a conceptual
[36:41]
design or to develop conceptual design
alternatives for a new municipal
[36:45]
complex. We are requesting design
alternatives that include one combined
[36:49]
building of all three departments as
well as separate buildings um to house
[36:52]
each or to house each each department
individually. This task also includes
[36:57]
cost estimates for the various
alternatives.
[37:00]
Task five is an ana is an alternatives
analysis to compare the options
[37:04]
including rehab of the existing
buildings, a new combined building or
[37:08]
new separate buildings. This step will
include a recommendation from the
[37:11]
consultant on the best option for the
town to pursue based upon cost and
[37:15]
non-cost factors. Task six is determine
a funding strategy for the town to fund
[37:20]
the recommended approach. The committee
knows that grants will be key to
[37:23]
completing any proposed project. We want
to know from professionals who have
[37:27]
experience obtain or supporting
communities in obtaining these grants
[37:31]
what are the best grants to go for and
how best to position our community. Task
[37:36]
seven is the last task is to determine
next steps and evaluate project delivery
[37:40]
strategies such as design build. With
the council's support, we hope to issue
[37:44]
this RFP to interested engineering and
architecture firms in early January with
[37:48]
proposals due in midFebruary.
Issuing this RFP and receiving proposals
[37:53]
does not tie the town to contracting
with any consultant and the proposal is
[37:57]
written in a way to allow the town to
contract all work or complete the work
[38:01]
task by task. Based upon the town of
Fryberg's similar RFP issued in the
[38:06]
spring of 2023, we anticipate that the
cost of this work will be around $75,000
[38:10]
and have several interested consultants
submit proposals.
[38:14]
Once proposals are received, we will
review them as a committee and make a
[38:18]
recommendation to the council on what
tasks to complete and with which
[38:21]
consultant. We anticipate that all of
the work outlined in the RFP, if
[38:25]
awarded, would be completed by the end
of 2026. and I would welcome any
[38:29]
questions that you have on the
committee's work to date or the RFP
[38:32]
itself.
>> Thank you, Madam Council T.
[38:38]
» Um,
in the RFP, will the air exchange or the
[38:44]
HVAC be addressed as well because that
was one of the discussion topics for the
[38:49]
old fire department was the air exchange
and making sure that that it's vented
[38:54]
properly.
>> It certainly will be. We have uh we're
[38:58]
asking a consultant to review the
existing buildings and determine what
[39:03]
would be required to upgrade them to
meet current code and if as well as what
[39:07]
it would look like to build a new
complex and that certainly would have to
[39:10]
meet those new codes.
>> Okay. And also the counseling room that
[39:14]
was mentioned in the RFP is that a
shared counseling room between the fire
[39:20]
and police department or will there be
separate counseling rooms? In the design
[39:25]
goals, we had indicated that we would
like to have one large meeting room in
[39:29]
this new facility um which would act as
a training room for any department
[39:34]
within the town as well as it could host
council meetings in the future.
[39:40]
» Um
I know that the police have um
[39:46]
um Steve Donu that's there to help out
with counsel.
[39:52]
» Yeah, thank you. chaplain.
And I was just wondering if there should
[39:57]
be a separate location where you could
have a private conversation
[40:02]
um and not feel like you're
[clears throat] in a big room or
[40:06]
invading other
>> Yeah, absolutely. In the design goals um
[40:10]
for the police department, there is a a
goal um not to say it will happen, but a
[40:15]
goal to have a small conference room for
up to six people.
[40:17]
» Okay. That's right. I did read. Um, and
just so you're aware, the chaplain
[40:21]
currently actually has hours that he
holds here in the small room at the
[40:25]
community center. Okay.
>> Um, he already has space that he does
[40:27]
currently use and it's here. So, it's
not just it's not tied to any one
[40:32]
particular department. So, staff from
all departments will feel comfortable
[40:35]
being able to visit [clears throat] with
him and not necessarily know that anyone
[40:38]
particular department knows who's going
and who's not. So, it's done for privacy
[40:42]
reasons. And [clears throat] then just
for one more piece, um the the
[40:47]
department heads and the town department
staff that created these bulleted wish
[40:51]
list pieces knew very much that they
were wish lists and knew very much that
[40:55]
as Max had mentioned that while we asked
each department wants a small conference
[41:01]
room, they understand that that may mean
that there's one small conference room
[41:04]
that that's these were all pieces of
shoot for the sky and see where it
[41:08]
lands.
>> Right. It really revolves around what
[41:11]
sort of funding the town can receive.
>> Definitely. So, as I was reading the the
[41:16]
the draft, it dawned on me that there's
no holding cell for the police
[41:21]
department. I know currently if you they
arrest somebody and they have to take
[41:26]
them up to Madison to the sheriff's
department. Um, but is that something
[41:32]
other police departments might have is
like a holding cell?
[41:36]
I don't believe we saw a holding cell at
on either scouting.
[41:40]
» They have they have intake rooms.
>> Um and usually either [clears throat]
[41:45]
there's there's an intake room where
they're processed.
[41:48]
» Um and then they know whether if they're
going to be bailed, they get bailed from
[41:52]
here or whether they go from here
straight to the jail.
[41:55]
» And those are noted in the RFP as two
booking rooms. That's what those were
[41:58]
called.
>> Okay. Um, and is the plan for
[42:05]
a multiple uh floors or a single floor
situation? What's the want?
[42:11]
» There are no plans right now. Um, we're
going to be looking for recommendations
[42:15]
from an architect or engineering company
to help us with what's the most cost
[42:19]
advantageous for the community.
>> All right, that that's all I have. Thank
[42:24]
you.
>> Mhm. Council Kitchen.
[42:27]
[clears throat] First, I want to say
thanks to the committee for putting this
[42:30]
together. I thought it was very well
written. I do have a couple questions
[42:33]
though. Uh first and foremost, uh I
didn't get time to fully review the
[42:38]
final proposed draft uh RFP that we got.
>> It's very similar to what was presented.
[42:43]
» Is there any any changes in them
>> worthy of mention time frame? It was
[42:47]
just the time frame.
>> Okay. the time frame that we rolled out
[42:50]
and then there were in the the original
draft uh that council received um there
[42:55]
were pieces such as number of employees
in each department that needed to be
[42:59]
refined because um one things that
municipalities do well is we don't have
[43:05]
a tendency to reinvent a wheel. So this
proposal is very similar to the one that
[43:10]
Fryberg had. So those pieces were left
in as a placeholder for their discussion
[43:15]
at their meeting last night with the
department heads to ensure we had those
[43:18]
detailed pieces correct. Um there were
some minor spelling changes. There were
[43:23]
some requests in the original piece um
draft that you received that fell under
[43:30]
one department um that actually got
moved out and were put into the general
[43:34]
overall building description because
they found that it was while the fire
[43:38]
department wanted it and the police
department wanted it just better fit for
[43:41]
just an overall building piece
>> such as the wash bay for vehicles.
[43:44]
» Yeah. The wash bay, right? Because all
of our vehicles need to be washed. So
[43:49]
like the the PD side of garages wouldn't
necessarily need a wash bay for their
[43:53]
vehicles and the fire department
wouldn't necessarily need a separate
[43:56]
wash bay and code enforcement also
washes their car. So we moved washbay
[44:01]
into the general building section as
opposed to an individual department.
[44:05]
Okay.
>> Um and then the timeline was completely
[44:08]
changed. Um [clears throat] originally
the projection was much further out.
[44:12]
This puts it back into being in January.
Um it does require uh folks to
[44:18]
pre-register for the mandatory
presubmission meeting. Um and the reason
[44:23]
for the registration quite frankly is so
that because it is the winter months if
[44:28]
something was to happen or there was an
emergency we have the ability to contact
[44:32]
people who are planning to attend that
mandatory meeting with the rescheduling
[44:35]
piece. Um and then
>> we also added the a link to the building
[44:41]
committee's website.
>> Yes. which would have the prior building
[44:45]
committee's report as well as some
technical documents such as the geotech
[44:49]
for the police station and then
>> the dear go the deargo reports and the
[44:55]
summit geotechnical engineering reports
for the police department and the fire
[44:59]
department that we had done in 24 um and
also the building committee's prior
[45:03]
report lives on that site so we added
that link to that portion of our website
[45:08]
so that they have access to all of that
data without having to put it all in the
[45:12]
RFP because it just makes it too large.
>> I think that's about it.
[45:16]
» And we we apologize for not getting a
more complete draft sooner, but our
[45:19]
meeting was last night. [laughter]
>> A couple other things, questions I have.
[45:23]
I didn't notice anything about and maybe
it was just in the language. Uh
[45:28]
homeowner assessment of I think we have
two or three residences right out in
[45:32]
front of that along Western A. How how
that would
[45:35]
» Well, that would be part of the site
assessment that would be completed. It
[45:38]
would look at environmental conditions,
neighborhood conditions, traffic flow,
[45:43]
all of that.
>> Okay. Um, and I noticed in the in the
[45:49]
meat of it, in the design goals
[cough and clears throat]
[45:52]
for the complex, uh, in one spot you put
town council meetings, and another spot
[45:58]
you put committee meetings intended to
get citizen input. Um, in design goals
[46:04]
for the town office department, would it
be prudent to put uh at the end uh
[46:11]
council chambers or something similar to
that to accommodate the language of
[46:16]
council meetings, committee meetings,
etc. as mentioned later in the report?
[46:20]
» Absolutely. We talked about having
council meeting, committee meetings with
[46:23]
the consultant that would be hired as
sort of milestone check-ins and
[46:28]
presentations of their report. Um, as
far as actual physical space in the
[46:34]
overall
um, kind of building goals, we do have
[46:40]
uh, somewhere in here.
[46:46]
» It's like one of the last
>> it just says a small meeting room under
[46:49]
design goals.
>> There's another town office,
[46:52]
» right? So that was specific to the town
office like daily functions that
[46:56]
section.
>> Okay. for the larger kind of gathering,
[47:00]
emergency command center, police
department, training room, potential
[47:05]
count, town council location. That was
that was separate. That was a that we
[47:10]
envisioned as a larger room that could
house several [snorts] more people than
[47:14]
a small department meeting, which would
be in the smaller sixperson conference.
[47:18]
» Um, this may be split in hairs, but
police department. Uh let me start with
[47:24]
fire uh design goals for fire department
uh bathroom shower space dedicated to
[47:30]
fire department and the police
department male and female locker rooms.
[47:33]
Do we specify male and female uh
bathroom shower space for the fire
[47:38]
department?
>> We had anticipated that any
[47:40]
bathrooms/shower
space would be genderneutral
[47:44]
» would be what?
>> Gender neutral individual spaces.
[47:49]
I only found one misspelling
[clears throat] under design goals for
[47:53]
the police department. Two interview
rooms for the I'm assuming detective's
[47:57]
office.
>> Oh, thank you.
[48:01]
There were more than that. [laughter]
>> I only got to get that.
[48:06]
» But we but we missed that one.
>> Yeah,
[48:08]
» you get a gold.
>> We'll fix that.
[48:11]
Uh,
[48:15]
and then
property information should be centrally
[48:19]
located to Fairfield and Benton. Uh, I
would just I know that we're going to be
[48:25]
discussing EMS. Uh,
if Benton ever decides not to go, is
[48:31]
this primarily based upon uh Benton
remaining with with Fairfield Fire?
[48:37]
» It certainly is. Um, but we also
recognize that a a substantial
[48:42]
percentage of our community is here in
the denser part of the community. Uh, so
[48:46]
we feel as though even if Benton were to
were to pull out sometime in the future,
[48:50]
having that kind of mindset of still
being closer to the town center makes
[48:54]
sense.
[48:58]
And
>> that's something that certainly a
[49:00]
consultant would help us help advise us
um and do some studies on response time
[49:07]
to the outskirts of Benton and the
outskirts of Fairfield based upon this
[49:11]
proposed location.
>> Uh and again lastly, uh I think you guys
[49:16]
did a great job writing this. Uh I read
through the draft. I did notice like the
[49:20]
days from March to February changed some
things like that. I'm very confident
[49:24]
with this and I would say that uh I
applaud you guys for even asking them to
[49:29]
consider upgrades to the existing
building spite uh sites so that our
[49:33]
taxpayers know that we're not just
looking you know to spend frivolously if
[49:39]
you know out of our pocket. We're asking
for the whole meal deal.
[49:42]
» Yeah, we certainly uh took that into
consideration and we we're aware that
[49:46]
sometimes retrofitting existing
buildings can be just as expensive as
[49:49]
building from scratch. Um so but we
think it's important data to have. We
[49:53]
anticipate that some buildings may not
be even suitable for retrofit. I mean
[49:56]
the police station is experiencing
significant uh settling of their
[50:01]
foundation. So it's very very likely
that the police station will be
[50:05]
identified as a building that cannot be
retrofitted uh and that a new building
[50:09]
is required.
>> Thank you. I think you guys did a great
[50:12]
job with this. That's all I have. Tim,
>> just cuz I finally found the space. Um,
[50:18]
section 4, complex structure. First
paragraph, last sentence says, "The
[50:23]
committee desires the facility to have a
centrally located meeting room of
[50:27]
sufficient size for staff meetings, town
council meetings, and capabilities to
[50:30]
act as an emergency operations center."
>> Okay. Yeah, I missed that word.
[50:35]
» Complex, I knew it's in there somewhere.
>> Overall,
[50:39]
» there's a lot of information in here.
So, it's it's a it's a they're looking
[50:43]
for a lot. Now, we did put out prior
RFPs for our existing buildings before,
[50:48]
if I remember
>> for the repair of the existing
[50:52]
buildings, and we got no bids.
>> No bits. I just wanted to reiterate.
[50:55]
» I asked that question last night, too.
>> This is a a very different request than
[50:59]
what we put out previously. We
anticipate that there'll be several
[51:02]
firms very interested in working with
us.
[51:05]
» Is there a cost factor at this point for
the town with the RFPs? There's no cost
[51:11]
of putting out the RFP other than a
minimal cost for paying for its
[51:16]
advertisement in a newspaper of general
circulation. We typically use the town
[51:21]
line. Um, and it's it's minimal. It's
usually between $100 to $200 if that is
[51:27]
that. Um, and the reason why we are
definitely going to make sure we
[51:31]
advertise it that way is that oftentimes
with grant processes, um, a advert, uh,
[51:37]
RFP needs to be advertised in a public
newspaper in order to count. Um, our
[51:43]
main goal actually is to ensure that it
gets on not just our website, but there
[51:48]
is an RFP section for a municipal
association's website, which is where
[51:52]
the majority of the firms go to look for
these types of jobs, as well as we have
[51:56]
contract uh contacts with the
construction magazines. Um, and they
[52:01]
typically will pick those up and put
those out for us as well at no cost. So,
[52:05]
that's our biggest goal.
>> Thank you.
[52:09]
» I just want to say I think it's a great
report. I think it's a good first step.
[52:12]
It's going to get uh us keep the ball
rolling. I do like the aggressive
[52:16]
timeline.
So,
[52:18]
» yeah, we would hope that by the end of
2026, we have a recommended approach, a
[52:23]
funding strategy, and then 2027, we
could really look at trying to acquire
[52:27]
funding
>> and I do like the three-pronged approach
[52:30]
of looking at all options, whether it's,
you know, retrofitting, whether it's a
[52:34]
campus with several buildings or one
single building. So, again, I appreciate
[52:37]
you and the hard work of the the
building committee.
[52:42]
I'm going to reiterate everybody just
said. You guys did a fantastic job. This
[52:46]
is well written, well done, well
thought. Council questions were
[52:49]
fantastic. I think other than the the
one grammatical error that Kevin found
[52:54]
um with the timeline that we're looking
at. I know it's a discussion item. I'd
[52:59]
like to see us do an action right now.
If somebody wants to make a motion.
[53:03]
» I'll make a motion to accept
the space needs assessment and
[53:07]
feasibility study for a new Fairfield
MUN municipal complex RFP.
[53:14]
» Second.
>> I have a motion by council Tibido,
[53:16]
second by councelor Kitchen. Any other
discussion?
[53:21]
Seeing none, all those in favor?
>> Am I allowed to vote?
[53:24]
» Yes, absolutely.
>> 5-0.
[53:28]
» Thank you all.
>> Thank you, Max.
[53:29]
» Thanks, Max. Get this.
>> Council Lawrence is on that committee.
[53:32]
That's why he asked if he's allowed to
vote
[53:35]
» actually. Yep.
>> Okay. Item two, discuss amending the
[53:40]
road openings ordinances submitted by
interim public work director
[53:46]
Tom. Come on up.
[53:53]
So, counselors, you have a memo in front
of you. Uh the current fee structure for
[53:58]
openings made within the rightway is
currently at $50 and we've got a request
[54:03]
to raise that to $75. Probably still
doesn't cover Tom's cost, but I think
[54:10]
it's a a reasonable request.
Any questions for
[54:16]
our interim public works director?
>> I do.
[54:22]
» Okay. [laughter]
Um you mentioned the costs um for the
[54:26]
paved surface, concrete surface and and
other surfaces,
[54:31]
» a curb replacement, driveway entrance.
It's it's all here. When was the last
[54:36]
time those were adjusted?
[54:41]
» That's a great question.
>> I don't have an answer for that.
[54:44]
» Um
>> because we're asking for um a
[54:46]
non-refundable fee of $75 dollar
payable.
[54:51]
» Yeah. Right. Right. Now, you get a
non-refundable fee of $50. The other the
[54:55]
other costs that are listed that gets
returned to the contractor
[54:59]
» after the work's been performed after
after so many days, it's it's in the um
[55:04]
» 90 days and then year.
>> So, all you really keep in the end is
[55:08]
the $50
>> or soon to be 75.
[55:12]
» Yeah.
>> Yes.
[55:13]
» All right.
>> Are you asking why it's not more?
[55:17]
» Well, I'm asking it. It seems like
you're a concrete surface. I don't know
[55:22]
how this all works. So, but that's $75
per square yard, but this is a
[55:28]
contractor's
guideline of what you have to pay and
[55:32]
then it's reimbursed to
>> Yeah. What what happens is is I I have
[55:36]
to go out and inspect the site and see
what they're digging up, take
[55:39]
measurements. Uh I have to figure out
what the cost to replace it is going to
[55:43]
be. I have to do the paperwork, fill it
out, and then they come in, they pay
[55:47]
this this fee that I come up with. And
then after that, you have to inspect
[55:52]
their work that they're doing. Make sure
it's compacted properly. And then for
[55:56]
the next 3 years, you have to monitor
the work to make sure there's no
[56:00]
separation of the pavement or sinkage in
the road.
[56:04]
» Wow. $75 doesn't seem to be enough money
if you ask me.
[56:08]
» No, but I wouldn't mind seeing $100,
especially if you've got to go back for
[56:13]
3 years to check.
>> Yeah. You got to monitor the site three.
[56:16]
I mean, we've all driven across sites
that have been cut in the pavement and
[56:20]
you get that dip or whatever and you get
potholes. So, you have to keep an eye on
[56:24]
it. Make sure the pavement doesn't
separate and make sure it doesn't
[56:26]
settle.
>> I'm with you.
[56:31]
I
>> you got three years for the contractor
[56:32]
to have to re repair the work. So,
>> no, I I think it should be $100. So that
[56:38]
fee schedule is more us recouping the
public works director's time that he has
[56:43]
to go out monitor measure.
>> And to me it it would you should be more
[56:47]
than what you're charging for concrete
surface at $75 per square yard.
[56:53]
» Michelle go ahead.
>> Okay. So uh those fees were last done
[56:56]
when you updated this ordinance in 2011.
Th those fees that you asked about for
[57:01]
the various different pieces. The
biggest reason this exists and when we
[57:05]
put in I think in 2011 is actually when
we adopted this period um was its
[57:09]
initial adoption. It's mostly to keep it
so that the municipality is not on the
[57:14]
hook for the work that has to be done by
a contractor to get into the road. It's
[57:18]
also not designed to be so expensive
that it's cost prohibitive and
[57:22]
interferes with the development. We're
not doing it to add additional cost. Um
[57:28]
what we're doing is trying to make sure
we protect the municipality's interest
[57:31]
which is why the funds get reimbursed
back to the contractor when the job is
[57:35]
satisfactorily done and completed and
over time it's fine but they are
[57:39]
required to care we they are required to
honor it for the course of the three
[57:43]
years. So this fee is strictly for um at
time the the public works director wrote
[57:49]
commissioner's work to do the
preliminary investigation the tally
[57:53]
sheets for the costs associated and the
inspections afterwards which is why yes
[57:58]
50 was not enough and going to 75 we can
easily put that to 100. The other thing
[58:03]
we could do, because this is subject to
a public hearing anyway, so it's not a
[58:07]
decision you would make tonight. Um, and
chances are a public hearing for this
[58:11]
isn't going to come to you until
probably the end of January, beginning
[58:14]
of February. We have some other pieces.
This is just one that was done early and
[58:18]
relatively simple. We got it in front of
you tonight. If you wanted us to go
[58:21]
forward, we can take a look at those
other pieces and see how far outside
[58:26]
they are of the current cost because
costs have gone up considerably since
[58:30]
2011. and the amounts that are here may
not actually be protecting the
[58:34]
municipality's interest. And we can look
at those other things too at the same
[58:37]
» I think that would be very advantageous.
Yeah.
[58:39]
» And I would part of our fee schedule.
>> Yes. The rest.
[58:42]
» Yes. And that's the other piece too is
we want to pull this out and make it
[58:44]
part of your fee schedule.
>> Yeah. Cuz right now estates
[58:48]
review the ordinance. There's no actual
fee schedule
[58:52]
» on the fee schedule. I guess
>> I mean it's been 15 years since it's
[58:55]
been reviewed. It's it's time. It's
time.
[58:58]
» I I'd like to see you.
>> 2011 can't be the last time we did this.
[59:02]
I wasn't here in 2011 and we redid this
since I've been.
[59:04]
» It was adopted in 2011, but the only
thing that changed was 2016 and that was
[59:09]
the driveway entrance. It was up to $35.
We'll have to look at that.
[59:15]
» But they get all that back, don't they?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[59:19]
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[59:20]
» So, as I understand, the way I read it,
there's two different things here. He's
[59:25]
he's asking to change the non-refundable
deposit from $50 to $75. That's the only
[59:30]
fee. What we're asking is are the other
charges per square yard adequate to go
[59:37]
along with that.
>> So that will come up in our fee schedule
[59:40]
when we discuss our fee schedules. No
different than [clears throat] parking
[59:43]
tickets and so on.
We just need to suggest that we make a a
[59:48]
view a review that these paved surface
concrete that you know the price per
[59:53]
square yard is actually where it should
be and will have to give us that
[59:58]
information before we can make that
judgment.
[1:00:00]
» Your fee schedule you usually go over
and readopt during your first
[1:00:04]
organizational meeting. This will come
with a public hearing afterwards with a
[1:00:08]
stipulation when you do the ordinance
amendment that the fees be moved to your
[1:00:12]
fee schedule and and we'll be able to do
that. They won't be part of your initial
[1:00:16]
review cuz they're not in there yet. But
yeah, we can do that easy.
[1:00:19]
» Okay. So, we're we're talking about
potentially moving this fee schedule out
[1:00:24]
of this ordinance onto the fee schedule.
>> Yes.
[1:00:27]
» Okay, that makes sense to me.
>> I think it we're going to review whether
[1:00:31]
these fees that are in here for these
types of surfaces are current enough to
[1:00:35]
cover associated costs.
Because basically if a contractor comes
[1:00:41]
in and rips up the road and doesn't put
it back, we have to,
[1:00:44]
» right?
>> So we need to know we have the money on
[1:00:46]
hand to cover that cost.
>> And and it's a just a deposit. So when
[1:00:51]
the work's done, we reimburse to them.
>> So
[1:00:54]
» no different. Yeah.
>> So uh are we in agreement to amend that
[1:00:58]
to $100 all a non-refundable fee?
>> I I agree to it.
[1:01:02]
» All right.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:01:04]
» Adjustment as well.
[1:01:09]
Hey, item three, discuss Fairfield
Benton emergency transport. So, I asked
[1:01:14]
to put this on as a discussion item. Um,
council also
[1:01:20]
got an email Sunday the 14th from Delta
again. Um,
[1:01:26]
nothing new really from
what Delta has been talking about four
[1:01:31]
or five times already this year.
Um, but I I would like I I'd asked to
[1:01:38]
get a cost to see what it would cost
for us to license as a transport
[1:01:44]
service. Not to say we're going to do
transport, just to get the process
[1:01:49]
started, much like China has done. So,
Travis, do you have an update on the
[1:01:54]
cost for
>> getting a transport license?
[1:01:57]
» So, um, to to actually get the license
itself, the cost is is minimal. There's
[1:02:02]
a service license fee of $100 through
the state of Maine and then a vehicle
[1:02:06]
license fee of $60 uh per vehicle that's
licensed. Um the where the other cost
[1:02:12]
would come in would be um the equipment.
Um you know, if we're going to do
[1:02:17]
full-time transport, the cost of the
second ambulance would need to be
[1:02:20]
included. The cost of that equipment um
um and then you have to get into the
[1:02:26]
billing process. So cost to start a
billing contract with the service. um
[1:02:30]
those initial startup fees. Um those are
the the kind of the you know the unknown
[1:02:36]
costs at this point basically. Um
without sitting down and figuring out
[1:02:40]
what we're going to get for a second
vehicle. Uh we would have to you know do
[1:02:44]
either an RFP for billing services or
research area business you know uh
[1:02:49]
billing services to get a idea of what
their percentage rates are right now. um
[1:02:54]
typically it's 6% of your billables um
or your return but um that could
[1:02:59]
fluctuate you know a couple percentages
here or there. So, so overall um to do a
[1:03:07]
uh like a China based uh temporary
license um whereas we would transport in
[1:03:12]
the event that Delta is not available um
uh that wouldn't um basically would just
[1:03:19]
the cost of the license upgrade and the
service license. Um, we have the
[1:03:23]
equipment. Um, obviously doing on a
temporary basis, we wouldn't need the
[1:03:27]
second ambulance because it would, you
know, we're just doing it on an as
[1:03:31]
needed basis if Delta's not available.
>> How often does that happen? Now, not to
[1:03:35]
cut you off.
>> No,
[1:03:36]
» but how often does that happen
currently?
[1:03:39]
» Um, I I I'd have to go through Delta's
reports, but I would say they um it's
[1:03:44]
it's probably less than half a dozen
times um when they do a quarterly
[1:03:50]
report. So, so it's it's it wouldn't be
a ton. Um,
[1:03:54]
» half a dozen quarterly.
>> Yeah, half a dozen quarterly. That seems
[1:03:57]
to be their average going back through
their their quarterly reports of how
[1:04:01]
many times they have to call mutual aid.
So, um I I would say at this point um
[1:04:06]
you know
>> maybe maybe on the high end 30 a year
[1:04:10]
maybe. Um um
>> but we but without looking at the
[1:04:14]
numbers
>> or we could ask you to get a temporary
[1:04:16]
license in the event of those cases.
>> Yeah, sure. Yep. Yep. that's something
[1:04:20]
that we can pursue. Um, again, you know,
it it it's time consuming. The
[1:04:24]
time-consuming part comes with with the
billing, getting a billing contract set
[1:04:28]
up, um, getting validated with [cough]
Medicare, main care, that would all be
[1:04:32]
helped through the billing process. Um,
so there's a lot of steps that would
[1:04:36]
have to be taken. Um, and it's just time
consuming cuz you're relying on, you
[1:04:40]
know, you have to go through through
Medicaid, you have to um, so it's kind
[1:04:44]
of you're out there at liberty at that
point. Um, but but to get the license
[1:04:48]
itself, cost is minimal. Like I said, to
do it full-time, there would be
[1:04:52]
additional cost of the extra the extra
vehicles, the staff, uh the equipment,
[1:04:57]
that type of stuff. Does that answer?
>> Yeah. No, absolutely.
[1:05:00]
» You're going through.
>> So, for for council, um [clears throat]
[1:05:05]
I've given you an extra a note sheet
that I did from we've met with Delta
[1:05:10]
several times and last meeting we had
Dr. Pay do a report that Travis asked
[1:05:15]
for years ago, am I?
>> Yeah, a couple years ago. a couple years
[1:05:19]
ago. Okay. And they finally
>> came in. So in se we've had Delta in
[1:05:24]
here at least a couple times.
>> They had meetings in September. We've
[1:05:28]
only been on council for 12 months now.
So this is an issue that it's at their
[1:05:33]
foresight and they keep bringing this up
and they keep sending it. Um, yes, I I
[1:05:39]
think we need to do our due diligence
and be prepared for what's in the best
[1:05:43]
interest of our taxpayers and our
citizens. When we put out um a second
[1:05:48]
war article asking for additional fire,
it was overwhelmingly this is a service
[1:05:53]
that our that our people want. So, I
made some notes for you just to go
[1:05:57]
through and then I also included some of
the paperwork from the KVMS report. So
[1:06:05]
um from what Delta has given us with
with the September meeting notes that we
[1:06:10]
were held in in this packet along with
our prior email for for this meeting. Um
[1:06:17]
Fairfield and Benton make up 22.1% of
the population of Del Delta service
[1:06:21]
area. That's on page 22 of the KV EMS
report. And you'll you'll see um the
[1:06:28]
actual population of Delta. They're
showing 41,769.
[1:06:33]
Fairfield and Benton are 9,234.
I believe that's on 2020 census is where
[1:06:39]
they get those numbers derived from. Um,
so that's that's where I'm getting the
[1:06:43]
22.1%
of Delta's servicing area. Now,
[1:06:48]
Fairfield Benton is 32.1% of Delta's
insurance revenue and 28.2% of their
[1:06:55]
total revenue. also on page 22 of that
KVMS report. So you can see that the
[1:07:02]
reason we keep getting all these letters
and and concern is we drive a very big
[1:07:08]
portion of Delta's revenue.
>> Now Delta charges us a per capita fee
[1:07:13]
not only for Fairfield but also Benton.
We're a combined service. They like to
[1:07:17]
separate it. We bill Benton for their
percentage of calls as far as our our
[1:07:22]
combined fire department um contract.
So I always want to combine Fairfield
[1:07:29]
Benton because we are one EMS service
and we would hope to do if we move
[1:07:34]
forward to do this with Benton. So again
th those are your numbers. Um Fairfield
[1:07:40]
Benton according [clears throat] to the
again the EMS report had 1453 EMS calls
[1:07:47]
in 2024.
um that is on page 10 of that EVS report
[1:07:53]
and that generated a 13% or they
estimate a 13% lap in coverage over
[1:08:00]
calls which
um Chief Larry actually just reiterated
[1:08:04]
it's going to probably be about 10 to
13%. We we estimate 30 calls that they
[1:08:10]
can't get to. I have a concern with that
where we have a contracted service with
[1:08:16]
a monopoly private entity that charges
us a per capita. It's not an RFP. It's
[1:08:21]
not something we can put out for request
to bid. It's basically a no bid contract
[1:08:26]
that we have no say over. So in in 2022,
we were paying zero for the service just
[1:08:33]
like we were for the past 40, 50 years,
whatever Delta's been in in business
[1:08:37]
for. 2023 we incurred our first 15% a
$15 per capita fee that [clears throat]
[1:08:45]
went up to $25 in 2024. This year 2526
has moved to 35. The September meeting
[1:08:53]
that Michelle and Peter attended it was
mentioned 55 to 65. So again, these are
[1:08:59]
costs that we cannot control. And now
they may be telling 48 it who knows who
[1:09:07]
knows what it's going to be. The reports
showing an average of $30 and that's
[1:09:12]
because
we use our fiscal period of July 1st. So
[1:09:16]
what our contract is July 1st through
June 30th and it's at 35 per capita. So
[1:09:22]
that's where I'm getting those numbers
from. Um, Fairfield Benton
[1:09:28]
according to the EMS report in 24 on
page 11 had 363
[1:09:33]
requiring calls of a paramedic.
So again, Travis, correct me if I'm
[1:09:39]
wrong. We go to an EMS call. We have
paramedics on staff already. They're
[1:09:46]
already servicing people until Delta
shows up to transport. We just simply
[1:09:50]
don't do the transport.
>> Am I correct?
[1:09:53]
» Yeah. No, correct.
>> Okay. Yeah.
[1:09:55]
» So, Delta sent a letter in September of
25 this year and it said in that letter
[1:10:02]
um on page two of that September letter
that we have that Fairfield Benton
[1:10:08]
averages 40 paramedic calls per month or
492 calls per year. Yet, the report from
[1:10:14]
the EFS shows 363 calls or an average of
30 per month.
[1:10:21]
So, if we average 30 per per month that
require a paramedic and we're getting 25
[1:10:28]
or so calls for no show on a contract
that we're paying to show up for every
[1:10:33]
call, I have a problem with that.
[clears throat] Delta's per capita cost
[1:10:40]
of Fairfield Benton. We went through it
already. Um, so my interesting notes
[1:10:44]
when I was looking on Delta's website is
their service area for Waterville. Their
[1:10:50]
their Waterville office covers Albian,
Belgrade, Benton, China, Fairfield,
[1:10:54]
Oakland, Rome, Sydney, Smithfield,
Basselboro. Approximate population of
[1:10:59]
those towns is 363.
Delta also covers an Augusta. They have
[1:11:04]
an Augusta uh office and service as well
that covers the towns of Augusta on a
[1:11:10]
special call basis. Belgrade, China,
Rome, Sydney, Smithfield, Somerville,
[1:11:15]
Vasserboro, Whitefield, Windsor.
Approximate population is 24,500.
[1:11:22]
With those two servicing areas, they
overlap coverage for certain towns,
[1:11:28]
Belgrade, China, Rome, Sydney,
Smithfield, Bassboro. Populations
[1:11:32]
roughly 18,900.
But there are towns that only are
[1:11:37]
serviced by either one garage or the
other which include Albian, Benton,
[1:11:42]
Fairfield, Oakland, Somerville,
Whitefield, and Winslow. So my question
[1:11:46]
would be, do those towns get a
discounted price where they don't have
[1:11:50]
overlapping coverage? Is that why we're
not having 25 to 30 of our calls not not
[1:11:56]
being covered? Because we're paying the
same per capita cost that all these
[1:12:00]
other towns are paying.
So
[1:12:05]
everything we get from Delta is
conflicting information. EMS report
[1:12:11]
shows different than the letters that we
receive. The numbers change all the
[1:12:15]
time. What we do know now is Delta
revenue for insurance billing is 620,000
[1:12:23]
through March of 2025.
not not through 25 which is a 10.1%
[1:12:29]
increase over 2024. So again Fairfield
Benton are 22% of Delta's calls of their
[1:12:36]
population based where over 30% of their
revenue and our per capita costs are
[1:12:43]
going to go up again this July. I would
like us to be in a position where we
[1:12:49]
have set numbers. We're getting into
budget budget season that we can give
[1:12:54]
chief some direction on on asking what's
it going to cost for the service. Yes,
[1:12:59]
we know if we go to it, we need a second
ambulance. That's an expensive cost. We
[1:13:04]
know that we need an additional 2.25
people cuz we currently employ 10. We
[1:13:09]
need to get to 12. If we get to 12, that
covers what we need for the audit for
[1:13:14]
the fire department, which is the four
in four out rule. So when they show up
[1:13:18]
for a fire call, we're fully staffed. We
currently have three and four on Monday
[1:13:23]
through Friday with a 40-hour position.
So we could we could easily get to 12 by
[1:13:30]
adding 2.25 personnel, a little over
300, $350,000.
[1:13:36]
We go to a full transport service, and
I'm not saying right now, but if we go
[1:13:41]
to a full transport service, as Travis
just said, he needs time to figure out
[1:13:46]
billing. uh mutual aid
from the other towns which which we
[1:13:52]
already do for fire, but they need to be
set up and and done. The letters that
[1:13:56]
we've received for Delta, they there's
some that
[1:13:59]
» will say, "Well, if you do a mutual
partner with us, and we don't send a
[1:14:03]
paramedic, we're going to pay you $300
per call and we'll use your paramedics."
[1:14:09]
Why would they ever send a paramedic if
we have one?
[1:14:13]
They're going to pay us 150 grand on an
estimated amount of calls that doesn't
[1:14:18]
exist because we know the actual calls
are 363 that require a paramedic.
[1:14:24]
I I'm just tired of of dealing every
month or every other month with a new
[1:14:29]
number, a new proposal.
Um
[1:14:33]
they're a private entity. It's not up to
me to worry about how their business
[1:14:38]
runs or how it operates. But they charge
us a set fee per capita. They charge us
[1:14:42]
a service that our citizens rely on
heavily. We want we want paramedic
[1:14:48]
service. We want rescue service. We need
transport service.
[1:14:52]
We have so many numbers in front of us
they become convoluted. But in the end,
[1:14:56]
what we can look at is we're going to
pay X amount per capita at roughly
[1:15:02]
10,000 people. At 55 bucks ahead, it's
going to be somewhere around $500,000 a
[1:15:07]
year. We're around 9,200 people combined
with Benton and the revenue that they
[1:15:12]
generate is roughly $620,000.
There will be some fees to go along with
[1:15:18]
that 6% billing whatever whatever gets
worked out. We need to get those
[1:15:23]
finalized numbers, but in the end it's
generating or costing about $1.1 to $1.2
[1:15:30]
million to transport
Fairfield Benton residents. we can do it
[1:15:36]
for that or less. So, I would like
council
[1:15:41]
to allow Travis to get the uh temporary
license for transport to start the
[1:15:47]
process. Doesn't mean that we'll that we
will transport. Does it mean that in
[1:15:52]
June or July, whatever comes around that
we're going to push this? But it puts us
[1:15:57]
in a position where if Delta comes in
and says your per capita is 75 or 80 or
[1:16:02]
100, and we have no say and no control,
it gives us the opportunity to say,
[1:16:08]
"Okay, we we buy another ambulance at
185, we hire two more staff at 300, we
[1:16:14]
invest another four or $500,000,
and we save 1.2 2 million
[1:16:20]
» in a couple of years,
>> maybe 6 months, maybe a year. I don't I
[1:16:26]
don't know. It's all It doesn't It's
going to take time.
[1:16:30]
» You know, maybe if we decide we do it
this year, we still have to contract
[1:16:34]
with Delta for 6 months. I don't know
what the transition period will may be.
[1:16:38]
Chief Larry will tell us that and we'll
trust him on that. Um, but I would like
[1:16:42]
us to at least get that temporary
transport license if it's minimal, if
[1:16:47]
it's really only a couple hundred
dollars.
[1:16:49]
and allows us to not worry about those
30 people that aren't going to get
[1:16:54]
transported this year.
>> Well, I I did a pros and cons list after
[1:17:00]
I saw this on the agenda.
>> Um for an intermittent transport permit,
[1:17:08]
uh for the pros available, um we'd be
available to assist with mutual aid.
[1:17:14]
We'd be able to transport our own
residents.
[1:17:18]
We'd utilize the vehicle to its full
potential.
[1:17:22]
Um, paramedics would be used for what
they were trained for. The cons,
[1:17:29]
and I'm sure there's more. I I This is
>> No, it's a good
[1:17:32]
» I did. It's only one ambulance. So, when
in use,
[1:17:37]
it's not able to go to another
emergency.
[1:17:40]
» So, but then that's happening now
anyways. Correct.
[1:17:44]
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. and then you have mutual aid. Um
[1:17:49]
there would be more wear and tear on the
vehicle.
[1:17:53]
The paramedic would not be available to
do another call. Um yeah, I think that
[1:17:58]
happens sometimes now because a
paramedic has to go to with Delta to the
[1:18:03]
hospital. So it's it's time consuming.
Um there would be an increased expense
[1:18:09]
for supplies because of more usage. Uh I
and again
[1:18:15]
» hold on on that one. Would there be an
increase in supplies or are already
[1:18:18]
using our supplies?
>> If we did start doing some transporting,
[1:18:22]
we would utilize probably a little bit
more supplies. Um I don't think it would
[1:18:26]
be a substantial cost, but um but you
know, trans, you know, if especially if
[1:18:31]
we say we transport to Augusta, we may
use extra supplies that we wouldn't have
[1:18:35]
used if we were just, you know,
non-transporting that call. Um if that
[1:18:39]
makes sense. But but I don't think it
would be a large call. But it's minimal
[1:18:43]
» full-time transport, you know, doing the
full-time transport, then yes, our our
[1:18:47]
medical supply budget would probably
triple.
[1:18:50]
» So, and again, if we are going to be
doing transporting, who's going to do
[1:18:55]
the billing,
>> right? Yeah.
[1:18:57]
» You know, that needs to be worked out.
And of course, we'd need to have more
[1:19:00]
staff.
>> Um, I think it's a good idea to go and
[1:19:05]
get the intermittent um trans. Is it
intermittent or tren?
[1:19:10]
» So I so I've been doing a lot of
research on main and mass and they don't
[1:19:14]
really define it. Um so I'm still
waiting on some clarification but in
[1:19:18]
essence there's a couple different
models. Um Albian fire for example does
[1:19:23]
uh they have an agreement with Delta
that if there's a rescue call in Albian
[1:19:27]
um Albian does some PDM coverage now
Monday, Wednesday, Friday I believe.
[1:19:31]
Don't quote me on that. Um so if if
Albian gets a call and they have two
[1:19:36]
people available um it's an agreement
with Delta that they will cancel Delta
[1:19:40]
at that point and they will do the call
and transport
[1:19:43]
» and we could have
>> but Delta still gets dispatched every
[1:19:46]
single call
>> really.
[1:19:47]
» Um so in our case I you know I think we
would start with if Delta's unavailable
[1:19:53]
in essence we would be Delta's first
mutual aid choice instead of them
[1:19:57]
calling Waterville Winslow Clinton
>> for our town.
[1:20:00]
» Yeah. for our town, then they would call
us, you know, say, "Hey, we're
[1:20:03]
unavailable. You guys are going to have
to transport this call." And if we have
[1:20:06]
the staff and the resources available,
we would we would do that. Um I I I
[1:20:12]
don't know. Um I'd have to get
clarification on whether or not we could
[1:20:16]
go mutual aid and transport. This may be
limited to Fairfield and Benton, but I I
[1:20:21]
have to clarify that.
>> All right.
[1:20:23]
» So, it to me it's a step in the right
direction. We're being proactive by
[1:20:29]
getting that intermittent transport
permit. It in case an emergency, we're
[1:20:35]
covered.
>> Sure.
[1:20:37]
» I think it's a good idea and it will
give us some time to iron out some more
[1:20:42]
details. I know that there's been talk
about the paramedic intercept program.
[1:20:47]
» Um, from what Delta has supplied us for
information, I like the basic idea of
[1:20:53]
it. Um, I think it's worthwhile,
especially if we take a look at mutual
[1:20:57]
aid in all of our areas. Um, we'd be
functioning more as a a district. And I
[1:21:04]
really like that idea. So, I'm in favor
of the chief going for um the
[1:21:10]
intermittent transport permit. And and
like I said, this will be a
[1:21:13]
[clears throat] this will be a rather
lengthy process, but at least if we can
[1:21:16]
start in that direction and and start
those, you know, start rolling in that
[1:21:20]
direction and and we can narrow things
down and gather up gather up the
[1:21:24]
information. Yes.
>> Yep.
[1:21:26]
» So, when you say lengthy process, what
does that mean?
[1:21:29]
» I don't know to be honest with you.
Again, we're at the mercy of um we have
[1:21:33]
to do we have to find a billing service.
Um we'd have to enter into a contract
[1:21:37]
with them. I would assume there'll be a
startup cost to that. Um so so you know
[1:21:43]
we're going to essentially have a
startup cost with no revenue coming in
[1:21:47]
to offset that. Um so that's going to
have to be whether or not we have the
[1:21:51]
budget for that. Um that's going to have
to be looked at. Um, and then we're at
[1:21:55]
we have to get validated through
Medicare, main care, and with the state
[1:22:00]
of the federal government right now.
That could that could take months,
[1:22:05]
» but that's with a different kind of
permit, right? That is
[1:22:08]
» it's just so you have to be you have to
be um set up in the Medicare system to
[1:22:13]
to bill a Medicare patient and receive
that funds back to get reimbursed. Um
[1:22:18]
you can't just you can't just bill a
patient um and they cut you a check.
[1:22:22]
that there's a there's a whole process
that has to be done with and and the
[1:22:25]
billing company would assist us with
that and setting all that stuff up.
[1:22:28]
» Would you have to do that with the
intermittent transport permit?
[1:22:31]
» Yeah, cuz if we if we transport then we
have to bill for those services. So
[1:22:35]
what's the difference between having an
intermittent
[1:22:39]
whatever the verbiage is and a regular?
>> So so there it's a different process. Um
[1:22:45]
if we were going to take over
essentially uh Fairfield and Benton for
[1:22:49]
transport um Delta currently is the
primary transport for Fairfield and
[1:22:55]
Benton. So in essence, you have to apply
for that and you have to make your case
[1:22:59]
and appeal to the state of Maine that
that um Fairfield Benton Fire Department
[1:23:05]
can enhance that service by taking that
over. Um so they look at you have to you
[1:23:12]
have to go through your response times.
Um there's a whole host.
[1:23:15]
» So this would be the first step in
proving that data.
[1:23:18]
» Yeah. Absolutely. Yep. Yep. So,
initially
[1:23:22]
to the council, I mean,
initially hearing this, I I would say
[1:23:28]
no. Um, only because I have so many
questions going. I haven't read this
[1:23:34]
yet. I haven't had time to take this. I
don't know what questions to ask. I
[1:23:38]
don't know. Um, okay, we get that we
that comes back. What is the what is the
[1:23:43]
swap process on that? How do we get here
from there? who says, "Okay, the license
[1:23:50]
came in the mail today. We're going to
start doing it tomorrow." What is that?
[1:23:53]
What's that process look for like for us
as a council to say, "Okay, yeah, go. It
[1:23:58]
might take a couple months. It might
come back quicker or longer." What do we
[1:24:01]
do in the meantime? Just let them do
that. Or we say, "Yeah, go ahead. You
[1:24:04]
get your license, start transporting." I
feel uncomfortable with that because of
[1:24:08]
all the different
>> That's not what I'm asking for. I'm
[1:24:11]
asking to get that intermittent license
started so we can get the pieces in
[1:24:16]
place. What's the billing going to cost?
What's the training? What's what's the
[1:24:20]
time period? So that when we do come
down to having to make that decision to
[1:24:25]
actually transport, we can make the
right inform.
[1:24:29]
» So we need that data before we make that
decision.
[1:24:32]
» I think it's going to force it. Yeah.
>> Michelle,
[1:24:35]
» so I think you have to think about this
as being the first step in a very long
[1:24:39]
process and continued conversation,
although you kind of took that first
[1:24:43]
step a long time ago. Um these are all
pieces in which would not happen in a
[1:24:48]
vacuum and they would have to be happen
with council, right? So a contract for
[1:24:52]
billing services more than likely is
going to require council approval. Um
[1:24:58]
but what the chief is trying to explain
to you is that this is not a process in
[1:25:04]
which so so Delta right now has to by
contract give us 30 days notice that
[1:25:10]
they're no longer coming. Mhm.
>> We would never ever be ready to take
[1:25:14]
this on in 30 days.
>> I understand.
[1:25:16]
» Okay. So, but what we're not going to do
because of the work that is involved in
[1:25:21]
all of this is just go randomly doing it
without the council saying that that's
[1:25:25]
what we should be spending our time on
because there are too many steps and it
[1:25:29]
is time inensive
>> and that's and that's where I'm unclear
[1:25:33]
is what are those steps. So there's the
licensing piece, but in order to even
[1:25:38]
apply for the license, the billing piece
needs to be set up. The billing to set
[1:25:44]
up the billing piece, we have to set up
our pieces with Medicare and Medicaid
[1:25:49]
reimbursement pieces. So ambulance
billing is just like medical insurance
[1:25:54]
billing. It's it's you know, so if you
go to, you know, just like if you were
[1:25:57]
at a doctor's office, we have to set up
all of those parameters in order to have
[1:26:01]
the ability to do that. we would shop
for the best company to provide that
[1:26:06]
service which that is a service right
now that Delta Ambulance actually does
[1:26:10]
you know provide to to other
organizations and there are
[1:26:16]
we don't know if there are setup costs
because we haven't shopped it and asked
[1:26:21]
so that's a step in a process that we
would do there's enough municipalities
[1:26:25]
out there that do bill for ambulance
billing that we would be able to contact
[1:26:30]
all of them and be a you know Travis
would be able to find out what their
[1:26:34]
services are and have those
conversations with them.
[1:26:36]
» Normally the way those work is that
their fees are taken from what they
[1:26:41]
collect. They get a portion of that,
right? That incentivizes them to do
[1:26:44]
their work. Um, so but we have to set
all those pieces up before you even send
[1:26:50]
a copy of that license, which is five
pages, six pages.
[1:26:54]
» And that's what I'm asking. What's that?
>> That all has to be done before we can
[1:26:56]
even mail that into the state. So that's
the pieces that
[1:27:00]
» you are already chief of Clinton as well
who did transport service who did
[1:27:05]
billing.
>> So these are things that you already
[1:27:08]
have knowledge of.
>> Yes. Yeah.
[1:27:10]
» So I I understand it may be timeconuming
paperwork consuming but you do have the
[1:27:15]
knowledge. This isn't something that's
>> going to be unique and you know who
[1:27:20]
Clinton used for billing. You knew the
process. I mean I'm an insurance guy. I
[1:27:25]
know how it it's not that hard to get
set up for for assurance.
[1:27:29]
» No, you're just you're just at the mercy
of how fast.
[1:27:31]
» So I all I'm trying to do, Kevin, is get
the process rolling. I don't think
[1:27:37]
» I just I'm trying to understand. That's
why
[1:27:39]
» that portion's not going to be as long
drawn out. Um and I'm not saying we
[1:27:43]
don't be a good partner with Delta. I'm
not saying we're we're going to move
[1:27:46]
away from Delta. Maybe Delta does
Clinton's billing. I don't know.
[1:27:50]
» Yeah, they do actually.
>> Okay. So if they do, maybe that's an
[1:27:53]
option. this this is what we're looking
at,
[1:27:56]
» you know, do you want to do the
>> That's why I said my initial take when
[1:27:59]
you threw that out there was no. I was
like I instantly went defensive. No, I
[1:28:03]
don't even know what's going on. Yeah.
>> Hearing this process and what it take
[1:28:07]
what is going to transpire.
>> I think our community needed to hear
[1:28:12]
this conversation on what is entailed in
this process. It's not just, hey, you're
[1:28:17]
going to apply for a license. It comes
in the mail. Next thing you know, it's
[1:28:20]
trans we're transporting. Oh, we're
already doing it. We might as well do it
[1:28:24]
anyway. That case. So, what the process
is and then what our role is as a
[1:28:30]
council through that process once we
say, yeah, go ahead with the license.
[1:28:35]
» Yeah. And and that could be just, you
know, like like uh Chairman Martin said,
[1:28:39]
that could be just as simple as okay,
we'll just do it on a an emergency
[1:28:43]
basis. If Delta's unavailable, that's
what we're going to do, you know. Um, so
[1:28:46]
that there's different but we in order
for me to get that process rolling on
[1:28:51]
researching the the the billing services
and starting that whole process. I need
[1:28:55]
that direction from me.
>> A question I asked the doctor
[1:28:59]
[clears throat] at the last meeting was
in in that report in the KV EMS report
[1:29:05]
uh all the data was based on still
transporting to Waterville. Yeah.
[1:29:08]
» Uh and he didn't have that data. What is
what are you seeing throughout your
[1:29:12]
community on what is the transport times
out of pocket once you decide to
[1:29:18]
transport a patient from Fairfield,
Clinton, Benton to Augusta and back? And
[1:29:24]
then how would that hurt our our fire
force?
[1:29:27]
» Sure. And that's something that we'll
have to we'll have to gather some data
[1:29:30]
on and uh Waterville has has been really
focused on that data for the last well
[1:29:36]
since inland closed essentially. So, I
will be able to get that data from
[1:29:40]
Waterville and and I can we can uh they
break down how many times they've gone,
[1:29:44]
you know, this year versus when Inland
was open. Um what their transport times
[1:29:48]
are and then we can kind of gear that
towards Fairfield, right? If if we come
[1:29:52]
from, you know, if we transport somebody
from uh the back road, you know, we
[1:29:56]
should be able to guesstimate, you know,
okay, it's going to take us,
[1:30:00]
» you know, 35 minutes to get to Augusta.
We're going to be there for 20 minutes.
[1:30:04]
It's going to take us x amount of time
to get back. We should be able to lay
[1:30:07]
all those out with with that data. So,
and come back to you with that
[1:30:11]
information.
>> I think that would that would be good
[1:30:13]
information.
>> So, not to make it more convoluted, but
[1:30:16]
[clears throat] let's say we have a call
for Fairfield or Benton.
[1:30:20]
» Mhm.
>> And they're on a transport already to
[1:30:23]
Augusta. Delta's on a transport. We have
a contract service with Delta. They get
[1:30:28]
a call to Vasboro. And then they get a
call Fairfield. What are we going to do?
[1:30:33]
» Yeah. Ex. So that and that was my
question.
[1:30:37]
» Well, that already exists for us because
Delta's not using
[1:30:40]
» well two ambulances either.
>> Well, I would have to get to to two
[1:30:44]
ambulances before we got to a to a
transport service. Obviously, it's going
[1:30:48]
to be a cost. But everything that we're
asking, all the questions we're asking,
[1:30:53]
those same exact problems already exists
with Delta.
[1:30:57]
» But they couldn't give me that. They
nobody could give me that answer when I
[1:31:00]
asked them at that last meeting.
>> They don't want to. They know the
[1:31:03]
answer. It's and and I don't know the
answer, but it is the exact same time
[1:31:08]
and the exact same problem that we will
have. The only difference is we have
[1:31:13]
control over our personnel,
>> right?
[1:31:15]
» And and our mutual aid contracts. It may
be with Delta.
[1:31:19]
» Sometimes they get three calls and two
LMS is
[1:31:23]
» got one out. So
>> So it was kind of interesting. Last
[1:31:26]
night went to discussion with Dr. Pay uh
and and Kevin was there too. So there
[1:31:32]
were only the two of us. There weren't
three. So, it's all good. Uh, no special
[1:31:35]
meeting, but it was really interesting
because he actually did call out uh and
[1:31:39]
mentioned Fairfield and Benton and the
fact that he actually showed some
[1:31:43]
sympathy for our situation, which was a
little different from our meeting. He
[1:31:46]
said, "We have a responsibility. We're
looking at a fire department that we're
[1:31:50]
trying to staff appropriately to for the
safety of our citizens. And to do that,
[1:31:55]
we're looking at because fire is not a
service that is compensated for, right?
[1:31:59]
Ambulance EMS is a service that can be
compensated for. So we can receive
[1:32:04]
funding that way. That is one way to
staff your fire department to this
[1:32:08]
proper funding level staffing levels
doing that you know. So he actually said
[1:32:14]
I can understand where they are. I have
you know he he was saying I have my hat
[1:32:18]
talking about
>> why we are having this conversation.
[1:32:21]
» Yeah. But but we're having this
conversation in a totally different, you
[1:32:24]
know, he realizes what we are doing and
what we have to our first and foremost
[1:32:28]
concern is making sure that our citizens
are taken care of and they're safe and
[1:32:34]
that we do it the best possible price
for the taxpayer and that's what we're
[1:32:38]
trying to look at and I think that's
what's important in this situation. I
[1:32:41]
know do I think regionalization is
actually a really good option. I'd love
[1:32:45]
to see that to make for more
efficiencies but that's not not going to
[1:32:49]
happen in the next 6 months. It's not
going to happen by the next how many
[1:32:52]
years? But I think it's happening
hopefully. I'm sure chief would would
[1:32:55]
tend to like to have that.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:32:58]
» And you see what we have with mutual aid
on the on the fire end making sure we
[1:33:01]
have that on EMS. Um but I I think we
have to do our due diligence and have to
[1:33:05]
be prepared because we don't know what's
going to come in 6 months. And and I
[1:33:10]
think that was you know that's been
China's direction as well that um they
[1:33:15]
they wanted to start that process and do
it on an interimm basis or as an as
[1:33:19]
needed basis in the event that if that
30-day window does ever come to fruition
[1:33:26]
when Delta says, "Hey, unfortunately
we're not going to be coming in 31
[1:33:30]
days." Now they have that in place. Um,
and that's essentially what we're trying
[1:33:34]
to do here to get to that point where in
case something happens um um then we're
[1:33:40]
not behind the eightball and 8 months
down the road we can start transporting.
[1:33:44]
» The the basis of my question
[clears throat]
[1:33:48]
to me simply was what is the
out-ofpocket time now that we have to
[1:33:54]
transport only to Augusta and will that
hurt our current fire department if they
[1:33:59]
are out of pocket for that long?
>> Sure. Yeah. I mean it's going to yeah
[1:34:03]
it's going to deplete us our personnel
availability for sure. Um uh but we we
[1:34:08]
do still transport to the um so there I
think last time I talked to Chief Ross
[1:34:14]
in Waterville they had seen a pretty
substantial like I'm just using throwing
[1:34:18]
out numbers. Say they went to say they
went to uh AC and Augusta um 30 times in
[1:34:24]
a month that that went up by 20 25 calls
when Inland closed. You know just I'm
[1:34:30]
just using rough numbers. Kevin, in that
report, in that in that EMS report
[1:34:34]
» with that 13% overlapping calls, they
actually added an hour for transport
[1:34:39]
service
to to develop that 13% overlapping call.
[1:34:44]
So that hour would cover trip to Augusta
and back. That is in that report Dr. Pay
[1:34:50]
gave us in in our last meeting. That's
why I came up with that 13%.
[1:34:54]
» All right. Because I missed that cuz
that's why I asked him the report showed
[1:34:57]
transport. I could throw out so many
numbers. It'll make everybody's
[1:35:01]
[clears throat] head spin. I'm just
trying to keep it easy. The num the like
[1:35:05]
I said, Travis asked for that report
years ago and now all of a sudden we're
[1:35:09]
getting it. Okay. I didn't ask for Delta
to send a letter. I didn't ask for Del
[1:35:14]
Delta. We don't want to deal with Delta,
but we keep getting it. We we keep
[1:35:18]
getting different information, different
numbers. Yeah. I mean, we we've been
[1:35:22]
asking, you know, what's the billing,
what's what's the collectibles, what's
[1:35:26]
this, what's that, what's the calls.
Well, we know the calls because Travis
[1:35:30]
the Q&A, the Q&A. Travis does these
reports and and we, you know, we pointed
[1:35:36]
that out to Dr. Pay in the last meeting
where he's like, "Well, you have to do
[1:35:39]
this and you have to do that." No, we
already do that.
[1:35:41]
» Mhm.
>> Oh, okay. A lot of the services they
[1:35:45]
deal with are volunteer or part-time
departments and they they don't run like
[1:35:49]
us. Oakland went full-time. Fairfield's
full-time. Clinton's probably full-time,
[1:35:55]
but they're on their own now. So, I
don't know if they have any other
[1:35:58]
full-time
>> apartments or towns that they service
[1:36:02]
other than Fairfield, Benton, and
Oakland. And I and again, I could be
[1:36:05]
wrong. I don't know Smithfield,
Belgrade, Rome. I don't know how their
[1:36:08]
process works. I just know that the
numbers we receive from Delta are not
[1:36:15]
the numbers that we receive from the EMS
report are not the numbers that we
[1:36:19]
receive that we know are factual that
Travis presents us in our in our monthly
[1:36:25]
reports. That's what I'm trying to go
by. Again, I don't want to throw out all
[1:36:29]
these numbers. Well, they said this and
they said that.
[1:36:33]
» All I can go by is the actual factual
knowledge that we know, right? that
[1:36:38]
» and it changes because you've got a
private entity that has a monopoly and
[1:36:42]
we're at their mercy and they provide a
good service and they provide a service
[1:36:46]
that our citizens want and a and a
service that we need but we're getting
[1:36:50]
to a point where it's unaffordable and I
don't know if they're going to be there
[1:36:54]
tomorrow cuz I don't know if Oakland's
pulling out or Belgrade. We know China
[1:36:58]
has already moved to go to that
intermittent license whether they act on
[1:37:02]
it or not. So that's all I'm asking our
council right now. Let's get the process
[1:37:07]
rolling with the intermittent license.
>> So, I just want to I just want to be
[1:37:11]
clear. I like I said from the very
beginning, I'm a data driven person. I
[1:37:15]
like the data. I'm concern my primary
concern right now is the human factor
[1:37:20]
side of the Manning and what it would
take when it gets there. And I through
[1:37:24]
this conversation, I understand that
there is a process for that other than
[1:37:29]
just saying, "Yeah, go get your
license." So, I feel comfortable. Thank
[1:37:33]
you for the conversation. I believe in
the data. It's just what data we get.
[1:37:38]
Um, and
>> so, so even with that, even with that
[1:37:41]
data, what I just told you 13% adding
that hour transport, they they Dr. Pay
[1:37:47]
told us 13% is going to be our overlap
coverage. That's where the the mutual
[1:37:52]
agreements have to come in. We've got to
give Travis the ability to say, "Okay,
[1:37:54]
Waterville, Winslow, China, Albian,
whoever's local, we need to set up these
[1:37:59]
agreements. what's it going to cost if
we if we have that second call and
[1:38:03]
Winslow has to come and they're going to
charge, you know, $300 for for a
[1:38:07]
paramedic fee. That will all be decided
once we give Travis some direction and
[1:38:12]
we'll know. Um I I was just wondering
what's the license fee. I already know
[1:38:16]
we need more staff, right? And Dr.
Townsen just said that. And we know what
[1:38:20]
it's going to cost. You know, we know we
need 2.25 people because we have a a
[1:38:26]
40-hour position that we can convert to
full-time. So, we know the exact cost of
[1:38:30]
what our manpower will cost. It's chief,
what's what's a second ambulance going
[1:38:36]
to cost? Not necessarily that we're
going to use the second ambulance, but
[1:38:41]
what's the lasting years if we do decide
to do full transport? Luckily for us, he
[1:38:46]
knows cuz he's run those types of
services. And and then when we do get to
[1:38:51]
that point, because we're data driven,
we have to factor in how often are you
[1:38:56]
replacing this equipment? How much more
are the supplies? What are the added
[1:39:00]
expenses? And make sure we budget that
so that when the ambulance is is up for
[1:39:07]
service or needs to be replaced, those
funds are there. Just like we're dealing
[1:39:12]
with building at this point, you know,
every politician seems to kick the can
[1:39:16]
down the road. And nobody wants to deal
with saving for tomorrow. But when
[1:39:21]
something becomes 50, 60, 70 years old
and [cough] it's no more functioning,
[1:39:26]
it's the problem of the people sitting
in the chairs now and it [snorts] hurts.
[1:39:30]
But we have to be more practical, do our
due diligence, not be put in a position
[1:39:35]
where Delta says, "Well, I'm sorry, in
31 days we're not coming." Not that
[1:39:39]
that's going to happen, but we don't
know. It's a private entity. We have no
[1:39:44]
idea what what their fiscals are. They
could be making millions. They could be
[1:39:48]
losing millions. hospitals lose millions
and we just had one fold. I don't want
[1:39:52]
us I don't want our citizens to be in a
position where well you guys been
[1:39:56]
talking about this for two years and you
haven't done anything about it. How long
[1:40:00]
are you going to keep talking about it?
And that's what we hear and and again I
[1:40:04]
I just don't want to throw out too many
numbers like we have been doing when we
[1:40:09]
met with Benton. There's too many
whatifs. So if we can give Chief Larry
[1:40:13]
and say okay let's let's apply for this
intermittent license. What's it going to
[1:40:18]
take to get billing on board to get
contracted with Medicare and Blue Cross
[1:40:23]
and Medicaid and and whoever? And then
what are additional costs if we had to
[1:40:29]
go full-time service?
Maybe we want to when we know what those
[1:40:34]
costs look like. my own opinion, I think
we will pay it will never be a money
[1:40:40]
maker, but it will pay for your supplies
and it will pay for your personnel,
[1:40:44]
which right now we have no revenue
source to offset those costs. That's
[1:40:49]
down the road. Right now, I just I'm
asking council, let's start the process.
[1:40:54]
Let's get this intermittent license
started. Let's give Travis the ability
[1:40:57]
to find out the exact questions that you
and Council Tibido have asked. get those
[1:41:02]
numbers so we can move forward and have
something prepared when we get into our
[1:41:06]
budget season.
>> Fair.
[1:41:10]
» And I'm sorry to make it so again
convoluted. It's it's there's a lot of
[1:41:14]
numbers and it is data driven, but I
think I just wanted clarity in the
[1:41:19]
process.
>> It's hard it's hard to keep it simple
[1:41:21]
because there's there's too many moving
pieces.
[1:41:23]
» Yeah.
>> Very complex. But but to make it as
[1:41:26]
simple as possible, we need to start the
process.
[1:41:29]
And if it's a minimal fee of a couple
hundred, I I want us to please do it.
[1:41:36]
» Do we need a motion and or what that
motion will include?
[1:41:41]
» Make a motion we start um the process of
intermittent um um transport.
[1:41:48]
We'll
>> second that.
[1:41:50]
So, I have a motion by council Lawrence,
second by Council Townsen. Do we have
[1:41:55]
any other discussion? It's It's a very
vague motion, but I think that's kind of
[1:41:58]
where it needs to be, right?
>> I would just add to old council business
[1:42:01]
so we can get updates on the process.
>> Absolutely right.
[1:42:04]
» You just may very well end up with weeks
though that it's going to say we have
[1:42:08]
nothing new for you. Just be aware.
>> That's nothing new.
[1:42:11]
» Yeah.
>> On the radar.
[1:42:13]
» Yep.
>> Very good. That's all I have.
[1:42:18]
Any other discussion? Do we have a
motion and a second? All those in favor?
[1:42:23]
Unanimous. 5-0. Thank you. Sorry for
being l lengthy. And um Travis, I know
[1:42:28]
we discussed this heard it last night.
Um ambulance is what? Coming in
[1:42:32]
tomorrow.
>> Yes. Yeah. Uh the new ambulance will be
[1:42:35]
delivered tomorrow.
>> Okay.
[1:42:37]
» Um so I don't know what time yet. I'm
still waiting from Kyle to get an actual
[1:42:41]
time.
>> And um I know you have to do training,
[1:42:43]
too.
>> Yes. Yeah. So, so once we get the
[1:42:46]
vehicle, um we'll do a final inspection,
make sure everything's the way it's
[1:42:49]
supposed to be. Um and then we'll start
our training process. So, each each
[1:42:53]
employee will be required to put um uh
you know, several miles of of road time
[1:42:58]
on it. Um and then we'll start the
process of stocking the vehicle. So,
[1:43:03]
it'll be it will be several weeks, if
not a month or two before we actually
[1:43:08]
utilize chance to do the training, then
apply for the in
[1:43:12]
» and then it's there cuz it's a different
vehicle, right? And we like we like all
[1:43:15]
our people to be comfortable with
driving it, especially winter time. You
[1:43:18]
know, it handles different than the
pickup wheel. And um so we want
[1:43:21]
everybody to be comfortable.
>> Just one more question. I know we've
[1:43:24]
already voted on it and moved on, but we
still have Med One.
[1:43:28]
» Yes. Yeah.
>> So if we if we do finally get to that
[1:43:31]
process and we're set up and ready to go
and our ambulance goes, we could still
[1:43:35]
serve
>> with Med One. We just transport.
[1:43:38]
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and that's
this new vehicle will be just that. It
[1:43:43]
will be a first response vehicle. Um, it
will have some pros though. You know, if
[1:43:46]
we're at a motor vehicle accident in the
middle of February, we can get that
[1:43:49]
patient inside while we wait instead of
waiting outside, you know. So, so
[1:43:53]
there'll be a lot of benefits to it. Um,
or we can simply scoop the patient, get
[1:43:57]
them in the back of the truck where all
of our equipment is and treat that
[1:44:00]
patient better because all of our
equipment's right there, you know. So,
[1:44:03]
and then when Delta arrives, we can
simply take them off our stretcher and
[1:44:06]
put them on Deltas and and they can go.
So there'll be a lot of pros to having
[1:44:10]
this this vehicle for sure without even
transporting.
[1:44:15]
» Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you council
as well. Great discussion.
[1:44:21]
» Okay. Discuss annual organization
meeting, elected officials, municipal
[1:44:25]
and state protocols, annual reminders.
So we have all our normal protocols. I'm
[1:44:30]
going to just go through them all. Code
of conduct, executive session, freedom
[1:44:35]
of information act, records,
disposition, vacancies of boards and
[1:44:39]
committees, town council administrative
policy, and then we'll get into the memo
[1:44:44]
from the town clerk. Do we have any
questions on the
[1:44:48]
code of conduct, all our forms?
You would Michelle, did you want to add
[1:44:54]
anything to that before we get to the
memo from town?
[1:44:57]
» Um, just that it's all standard
business. Usually you just start your
[1:45:00]
review process now so that when we get
to your organizational meeting um you
[1:45:04]
can either you know we have time to make
changes now and then you just adopt
[1:45:09]
everything at your next meeting or you
can make changes at your next meeting
[1:45:13]
and and go forward. But it just gets you
really talking about it and thinking
[1:45:16]
about it. Um normally it's a much larger
process when we have new counselors
[1:45:20]
coming in uh because all of you have
been here before. It's all kind of going
[1:45:24]
to be routine for you but it is part of
our process every year. Um, and we just
[1:45:29]
like to keep things consistent. It's
always good to review.
[1:45:36]
» Any questions from council? If we could,
please go over those before our
[1:45:41]
organizational meeting if you want any
changes made before that. [snorts]
[1:45:45]
» Yep. Any feedback you have, whatever
>> your code of conduct and they're all in
[1:45:49]
there and get those signed and into
Britney as well.
[1:45:54]
» Okay. Memo from the town clerk. So, we
all have a memo. I think it's just some
[1:46:00]
um clean up, some wording. You want to
present that, Britney?
[1:46:04]
» Sure. So, the
in the town council administrative
[1:46:10]
policy, there's a section in there um
about um absentee voting hours and voter
[1:46:16]
registration vot um hours.
In the current verbiage, it states that
[1:46:20]
the week prior to any election shall
include extended hours on Monday from
[1:46:25]
4:30 to 6:30 to allow for voter
registration.
[1:46:30]
That is not what the statute says. Um
the statute is very specific as far as
[1:46:39]
um towns with populations of more than
2500 shall accept voter registrations on
[1:46:45]
the last five business days that the
clerk's office is open before any
[1:46:48]
election day. And it has to be from the
hours um of 5:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m.
[1:46:56]
The old language stated it's for um
absentee voting. It's not for absentee
[1:47:02]
voting. It's strictly just for voter
registration for the last two hours that
[1:47:07]
we remain open for those extended sorry
the extended hours. Um so I'm just
[1:47:12]
cleaning that up to be more specific on
what the statute actually states.
[1:47:18]
» Okay. So absentee voting those that last
word we're going to strike
[1:47:22]
» to to get current with state ordinance I
believe state statute.
[1:47:26]
» Yep.
>> So we need to amend [clears throat] our
[1:47:28]
administrative policy. And then on the
last line on the voter registration
[1:47:32]
hours is where that uh in the evening
from 5 to 9
[1:47:37]
» on the back of that page. We need to add
that. Yep.
[1:47:45]
» Yep. So it's really just cleaning up
some different changes and I think one
[1:47:48]
of these was a recent
change too to the law for clarification
[1:47:53]
purposes. So, and this has always lived
in council administrative policy
[1:47:58]
governing election processes. And this
is just to make sure we stay in
[1:48:01]
compliance with the law the way it's
currently written.
[1:48:05]
» So, and those will be you're not even
expected to do that tonight. That'll be
[1:48:09]
part of the administrative [snorts]
policy when you do that review. We just
[1:48:13]
really wanted to bring this attention to
you beforehand. We think
[1:48:16]
» as of right now, I think this is
probably the biggest thing that we have
[1:48:19]
coming for administrative policy because
we did that review not that long ago,
[1:48:22]
too. Um, but this will be a change
that's coming and we just wanted you to
[1:48:25]
have the opportunity to review it and
ask any questions beforehand.
[1:48:28]
» So, this just cleans up our language and
administrative policy to match state
[1:48:32]
statute. Any questions for Britney? I
think they're pretty straightforward.
[1:48:36]
[clears throat]
>> Just to be clear. So, in the
[1:48:38]
administrative policy,
uh, section 108, you're looking at
[1:48:42]
changing paragraph three to read what
this now says.
[1:48:48]
» Yes. So this whole paragraph here will
change to this.
[1:49:02]
Any other questions?
[1:49:08]
» Okay, I think we're good on that one.
Discuss other council business. Council
[1:49:12]
Kitchen. Uh, I really have nothing other
than I walked through uh the community
[1:49:18]
center and saw what the police
department's doing for our youth coming
[1:49:22]
up on Friday. Uh, don't forget to sign
up your children for that and I'm sure
[1:49:27]
I'll echo everybody else. Have a happy
holidays and we'll see everybody back in
[1:49:32]
January.
[1:49:36]
» Well, I last weekend I attended the
history houses uh Christmas open house.
[1:49:42]
They did a wonderful job. I'm very proud
of these dedicated volunteers that have
[1:49:50]
um brought Mrs. Smith's house back to
life. Um they work hard. They they do a
[1:49:57]
wonderful job and I just want to thank
them uh for what they are doing. Um I
[1:50:03]
also are you going to talk about the
sheltering workshop, Peter? So, and like
[1:50:09]
um Council Kitchen, I'm very much
impressed with what the police
[1:50:14]
department is doing with our youth. Um
they've been doing the
[1:50:20]
fixing up the community center here for
several years now and this year they've
[1:50:24]
really outdone themselves and we're very
fortunate to have such dedicated people
[1:50:31]
uh in our departments that will do this
for the benefit of others.
[1:50:36]
That's it.
>> Towns
[1:50:39]
» pretty much the same. It was a great
walk through there. It is uh kind of
[1:50:42]
brings out the uh child in you to walk
through. Uh so hopefully maybe it's open
[1:50:46]
from uh 4 to 7:30 on Friday, December
19th and go to Fairfield's Fairfield
[1:50:53]
copscare.com. But it's really really fun
in there. Um and I just want yeah wish
[1:50:58]
happy winter solstice. That means the
days are going to get longer. So it's
[1:51:02]
it's coming. It's coming coming. Merry
Christmas. Happy Hanukkah and uh peace
[1:51:06]
and joy. So,
>> thank you, Council Lawrence.
[1:51:10]
» Okay, I got um several um this Friday um
at the Graange is a senior lunchon from
[1:51:16]
11 to 2. That's um December 19th.
And don't forget on December 22nd,
[1:51:24]
the New Lawrence um elementary school is
going to have a ribb cutting ceremony.
[1:51:29]
So,
>> 27th.
[1:51:30]
» 27th.
>> 27th.
[1:51:31]
» That's at 1:00.
>> Yep.
[1:51:34]
And on December 11th, I attended uh the
cooling and warming center and disaster
[1:51:41]
emergency shelter training here um at
the community center. [clears throat] We
[1:51:47]
had 14 individuals attend this event.
One was on Zoom, but actually 13 live
[1:51:54]
here. So, a two-hour training. We had
two counselors, myself and um councelor
[1:51:59]
um Tibido. Five town employees
attended this and seven um Grange
[1:52:07]
members attended and 14 and all total um
um residents attended that training
[1:52:15]
and also too I I took a tour of the
community center last night but I saw
[1:52:19]
more tonight and police has done a
fantastic job for our kids. Don't forget
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to attend that. And I like to wish all
the residents a merry Christmas and a
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happy new year and see you in January.
>> Okay. I [snorts] want to thank all our
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committees um building committee.
Fantastic job. Thank you. That's a lot
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of work and and a long drawn out
process. Uh our interim
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public works director, Tommy, thank you
for tonight. You made it through. I hope
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we make it a full-time position. I'd
love to see that happen. and he's a
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longtime employee. Um, wish your staff a
lot of safety. It's snow season. Uh,
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please be aware. Um, a lot of questions
usually we see online about salt and
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sand. There is a a sand pile down by
public works. Is it limited to two
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buckets? Am I
>> two buckets? Yes. For a storm.
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» So, two buckets for a storm. You just
heard
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» main I forgot to say Main Street does
look good, too.
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» What was that? Yeah,
>> Main Street does look good.
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» Main Oh, M. Yeah, absolutely. So, again,
I want to thank our department heads.
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Again, all the counselors have said this
place looks absolutely fantastic. If you
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can be around, um, come check it out, do
a walk through. That's Friday 4:00 right
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here at the community center. Um, I want
to wish all the staff, employees,
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citizens, council members a very merry
Christmas and happy holidays. Please be
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safe. Um, it's it's a lot of tragedies
lately. Too many that we see. um just
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keep everybody in your best interest and
be on your best behavior and please be
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safe. So that's all I have. It's been a
fantastic year and thank you all for
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your support.
So with that, our next regular meeting
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of the Fairfield Town Council will be on
Wednesday, January 14th, 2026 to be held
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as a hybrid meeting in council chambers
and via Zoom at 6:30 p.m.
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At this time, council will recess, sign
all documents that require the
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signature. Council members, make a
motion to go recess. Second.
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[laughter]