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[1:50] I just.

[1:51] Yeah.

[1:52] Good evening, everyone.

[1:54] Today is Thursday July 16th, 2026.

[1:56] And the time is 601.

[1:59] I will call to order this regular planning

[2:01] and zoning commission meeting of the town of Firestone Roll

[2:04] call, please.

[2:05] Missy Vice Chair Haney here.

[2:13] Commissioner Ray chairperson.

[2:16] When it commissioner Sutton here Commissioner Hoskins here.

[2:23] Commissioner Young.

[2:24] Here you have a quorum Great.

[2:27] If you'd all please stand and join me

[2:28] in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance

[2:34] to the flag of the United States of America

[2:37] and to the Republic for which it stands.

[2:39] One nation under God.

[2:41] Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all Thank you.

[2:49] So next up we have the approval of the agenda.

[2:53] Are there any before we do that, any amendments

[2:55] and anyone needs to make to the agenda this evening No OK.

[3:01] So I'd like to call for a motion to approve the agenda I'll make

[3:05] a motion to approve the agenda.

[3:08] Second.

[3:09] First by Commissioner Young.

[3:10] Second by Commissioner Hoskins All those in favor say aye.

[3:14] Aye Hi.

[3:15] Any opposed motion carries Next item is the approval

[3:21] of the minutes for the meeting.

[3:24] Minutes from March 5th 2026, to have a motion

[3:27] to approve the minutes.

[3:28] I so moved to approve those minutes of March 26.

[3:31] Second first by Commissioner Haney,

[3:33] second by Commissioner Hoskins All those in favor say aye.

[3:36] Aye.

[3:36] All right.

[3:37] I opposed motion carries All right.

[3:41] Next up, we have our public comment

[3:44] So the planning commission welcomes public comment

[3:46] from anyone that is in attendance This public comment

[3:50] is for items that are not part of the public hearing tonight,

[3:54] but any other item that's on the agenda

[3:56] Do we have anyone that has signed up for public comment

[3:58] missing Okay.

[4:00] We don't have anyone that signed it for public comment.

[4:02] Is anyone here wishing to speak to any

[4:03] public comment that did not stand up

[4:05] for this First public comment ?

[4:08] Okay. then I will close that public comment portion.

[4:14] All right.

[4:14] Moving on to agenda, item number six,

[4:17] public hearing So the purpose of this hearing is for the Planning

[4:22] commission to receive information,

[4:24] documents and testimony in order to make findings and reach

[4:27] a decision regarding public hearing resolution number 26,

[4:31] DoorDash zero two, a resolution of the Planning and Zoning

[4:35] Commission of the town of Firestone, Colorado,

[4:37] recommending approval of the Barefoot Lakes filing five

[4:40] Second Amendment preliminary plat At this time,

[4:44] I'll open the public hearing for PC resolution

[4:46] 20 6-02 and the time is now.

[4:50] 604 Town staff will and they will make a presentation

[4:55] and then the commission will hear public comment.

[4:58] The town staff turn to you Great.

[5:02] Thank you.

[5:02] Can you all hear me okay Yes.

[5:04] Perfect.

[5:05] So what ?

[5:07] Good evening, commissioners.

[5:09] For the record, I'm on a for reserve planner,

[5:11] one representing staff tonight The agenda item before you is

[5:15] a preliminary plat for Barefoot Lakes filing Five Second

[5:18] Amendment terracing a design as the applicant

[5:21] for the Barefoot Lakes.

[5:23] Finally, five Second Amendment summary plat.

[5:25] And they're represented tonight by Jeff Mark this on the screen

[5:32] as an aerial showing the location of the Barefoot Lakes

[5:35] filing five Second Amendment preliminary plat located just

[5:39] along the southern edge of sanctuary

[5:41] Avenue between cove Street and Bend Street or Bend Court

[5:49] This slide shows an outline of the development

[5:51] procedures for the town there, highlighted up there in green

[5:55] is the preliminary plat process the applicant is currently going

[5:58] through with the town and the planning

[6:00] and Zoning Commission and Board of Trustees

[6:02] to approve these applications.

[6:04] Application It will then move on to the final plat

[6:07] for the property So this is the approved zoning map for

[6:14] the Barefoot Lakes filing five.

[6:16] The subject property is zoned Puti and C

[6:19] for neighborhood center rC for regional commercial.

[6:22] Are a residential a, r, B residential, B and R

[6:26] residential The land is generally vacant with oil

[6:30] and gas facilities Some activity that had been there previously

[6:34] and is now wrapped up the property

[6:37] to the northeast and west.

[6:39] Have the same underlying zoning granted by the Puti

[6:42] and have experienced development of mostly single family

[6:45] detached homes while the property to the south

[6:48] is zoned open space to protect that natural drainage

[6:51] way that it's kind of along that southern border

[6:55] and across that drainage way.

[6:56] The land is zoned to be a mixture of the residential uses

[6:59] from that.

[6:59] But All right, the site area is 6.118 acres

[7:09] and is currently vacant land.

[7:11] As I said, the proposed preliminary plat

[7:13] includes 11 single family detached

[7:15] lots and a proposed trail connection

[7:17] to the nearby trail system.

[7:19] The gross density of the proposed subdivision

[7:21] is 5.12 dwelling units per acre.

[7:24] Accordance with the brief at Lakes

[7:25] p p, d, and it also the Puti allows for a total of 5131

[7:31] dwelling units, approximately 1170 have been built.

[7:36] So far So the 11 proposed with this plat

[7:39] are well within the allowed number of dwelling units here.

[7:42] The lot sizes range from 7618ft² to 8972ft².

[7:52] The firestone Development Code requires

[7:54] Three forms of public notice for public hearings.

[7:57] The property notice was posted and letters

[8:00] were sent to adjacent property owners on June 30th, 2026.

[8:03] While the notice was published in the Longmont Times.

[8:06] Call on July 1 The town staff has reviewed the preliminary

[8:14] plat application materials for compliance with the preliminary

[8:17] plat approval criteria found in section 16 76C of the Firestone

[8:23] Development Code With the first five criteria shown here

[8:29] in the last five shown here based on this review are staff

[8:36] recommends Staff also find that all the approval criteria are

[8:40] met based on this review, staff recommends that the planning

[8:43] and Zoning Commission approve draft resolution 120 602,

[8:47] recommending approval of the Barefoot Lakes filing five

[8:50] Second Amendment preliminary plat with the three

[8:53] conditions listed on the screen And this

[8:56] concludes My presentation.

[8:57] I will be available after the applicant presentation

[9:00] and any public comment.

[9:02] Thank you Thank you. the applicant for their presentation

[9:08] is.

[9:08] All right.

[9:09] It looks like this is on up.

[9:12] Thank you and see just push.

[9:16] She's on the right here to go to the air

[9:19] The one without the arrow.

[9:20] OK great.

[9:22] Good evening, commissioners.

[9:24] My name is Jeff Mark.

[9:25] I'm a principal Terracing, a design

[9:26] We are the planners and civil engineers for this proposal

[9:29] in front of you tonight, we also have Representative here

[9:32] from Brookfield that can answer any questions that you may have

[9:36] that if I I'm not able to answer those for you

[9:39] want to start off again by thanking you for having us

[9:41] here tonight We're excited to be here.

[9:43] Also want to thank all your staff for all

[9:45] their help on everything.

[9:46] We always work on and they're very

[9:49] helpful and great to work with.

[9:52] So with that need context map here which Monica kind of showed

[9:58] again of where the site is.

[10:00] If we need to, we can kind of come back

[10:01] to this as we move forward.

[10:05] So One of the questions is, is why was the site

[10:09] not developed with filing five?

[10:11] The reason for that was is that there

[10:12] were oil and gas facilities on this piece of property.

[10:15] So as you can see here on the left that's

[10:18] an aerial from May of 2023.

[10:19] You can see those oil and gas facilities on the site

[10:22] And then an aerial here from just May

[10:24] of this year where you see everything has been removed

[10:27] from the site The This site has always been planned to be

[10:40] future development Just wanted to bring

[10:42] up the sales graphic here.

[10:44] What you can see down there on the bottom

[10:46] or it says a future development was the area that's

[10:50] been on this plan showing that at one point in time,

[10:52] this was going to be future development at the plant also.

[11:00] So this is a filing five plat.

[11:02] You could see here where it's labeled

[11:04] track J and K on the plan over here

[11:06] And we highlighted it in the land use summary table

[11:09] over here.

[11:10] Maybe a little hard to see, but it is

[11:11] labeled as future development.

[11:13] Also demonstrating the both that all of the site that you see

[11:16] kind of in the brown and yellow was always intended

[11:18] to be future development The site is located in planning area

[11:24] nine, which is kind of filings five and six of the Barefoot

[11:28] Lakes ODP within that planning area,

[11:31] Nine there's 426 units allowed based off

[11:35] of what has been platted There's technically 58 units that are

[11:39] allowed on this piece of property

[11:45] So with this information when we first started to look

[11:49] at the site we really felt that it

[11:53] was important that instead of trying to cram 58 units in here,

[11:56] that we start to place homes on here

[11:58] that are the same size and nature of what surrounds it.

[12:01] So what you're seeing on here, these are the same size, lots

[12:04] of the existing homes that are around it

[12:06] and filing five We also wanted to generally honor

[12:11] the schematic form you see in that sales graphic if we want

[12:14] to go back to you could see there was a smaller sliver

[12:16] of open space on the west side and a larger on the east side,

[12:21] which this does.

[12:24] And as we develop these plans, we're really trying to make sure

[12:28] that we're kind of threading the needle here

[12:29] with all of the criteria making sure we're meeting all

[12:32] of your town standard when it comes to roads

[12:35] civil engineering, the grading on it

[12:39] One of the items that we've also added into here

[12:43] was a propose trail that you could

[12:44] see going from the existing walk along Barefoot Lakes

[12:47] parkway that's connecting down to that existing trail

[12:51] that you could see kind of the squiggly line there

[12:53] and the bottom right hand corner Nothing is planned.

[12:58] Appreciate it.

[12:59] Is really with these 11 homes that we're proposing in here,

[13:02] it's kind of creating this nice little cluster of homes

[13:05] and within that, there's kind of just three smaller clusters.

[13:07] You can see we just have a six, a significant open space

[13:10] there with the connection.

[13:11] Another three open space and another Two that you could see

[13:14] is ten and 11 With this, we did have a neighborhood meeting,

[13:22] so we took this, showed it to the neighbors

[13:25] Some of the primary concern is where we did hear a little bit

[13:28] of mixed bag Some people saying, yes, I knew development

[13:31] was going to happen here.

[13:32] No, I didn't know it was going to happen here.

[13:35] I thought it was going to happen later than it's happening

[13:38] But I would say overall, probably

[13:40] One of the bigger comments we did receive is

[13:43] about the proposed trail that is now shown on here This plan you

[13:50] see on here, this is what is in black

[13:53] and white was the final development plan for filing five

[13:56] is part of that The trail was never contemplated and there.

[14:00] It wasn't a required meant when that was done.

[14:03] So what you're seeing here in red

[14:04] is what we are proposing in here.

[14:07] I know this is something that we didn't

[14:09] have in our original plans.

[14:10] Staff strongly suggested that we should

[14:13] be adding this trail in here.

[14:14] So I know again that was kind of one of the bigger comments we

[14:17] did get from the neighbors and residents

[14:19] that they didn't expect this to be here

[14:23] We have tried to pull the trail as far away from the home

[14:26] as we can.

[14:27] I know when you look at this graphic,

[14:28] it kind of looks like they're close

[14:29] but there is that drainage, steep slopes,

[14:32] existing vegetation in there.

[14:34] So we're kind of getting it right to the edge of that.

[14:36] Is close as we can without going in and starting to really impact

[14:40] that drainage corridor I just wanted to quickly show

[14:48] this exhibit that is demonstrating,

[14:50] again, the amount of open space in the end

[14:53] with, including tract k over there,

[14:56] we're going to be close to almost 50% of open space

[14:58] with these two future development tracts an end.

[15:05] Finally here, just wanted to show You

[15:06] a couple of 3D renderings that we've done

[15:10] Just a disclaimer on it.

[15:11] These are homes that are currently

[15:14] models that brookfield does have that we're placing on here.

[15:17] Doesn't mean, those are going to be the exact homes, obviously,

[15:20] on each home site each homeowner be able to purchase their lot

[15:23] and figure out which floor plan they wanted to have,

[15:26] but we wanted to make sure that we were showing here homes

[15:28] on here that are representative of what

[15:30] they're currently building.

[15:32] So this is again, a view looking south and seeing that open space

[15:36] buffer on the right hand side, the large one on the left

[15:40] a view looking straight north onto the site

[15:47] I just wanted to bring up the approval criteria here.

[15:50] Again we do meet these criteria We agree with staff at all

[15:55] their findings and the report that you wrote in here, pages

[15:58] three through five of the staff report,

[16:00] go into detail of each One of these criteria

[16:03] and how we meet it.

[16:04] And we agree with all of those And then we have the One that's

[16:10] the PowerPoint by chance.

[16:13] I want to test something out for you guys.

[16:15] So we have kind of a new technology that we're using that

[16:20] actually it's going to be a visual where we actually

[16:22] fly a 3D drone around the site.

[16:23] And we will actually model it in that it's a video in there.

[16:27] It was a little large, so I kind of put it.

[16:30] Another part of the presentation because if it

[16:32] crashed at the end, it's the very end of that one.

[16:40] Yes I know.

[16:42] Technology could be good Well, finicky.

[16:44] So you're going to be kind of be my guinea pigs on this.

[16:47] Doesn't have sound.

[16:48] No, it doesn't have any sound I should have added sound to it

[16:56] So since we're creating this, I figured

[16:57] it'd be good Yeah, it is working and it's not too jumpy,

[17:00] but Yeah, that's pretty cool Here you

[17:02] could see how this you know, it looks very similar to that cul

[17:06] de sac a homes.

[17:07] That's off to the side of it I think really

[17:10] fitting in with the surrounding neighborhood,

[17:14] creating the open space between it.

[17:16] And again, similar type homes One other item

[17:21] I forgot to mention in here when we work through this, a comment,

[17:25] you know, there's comments from in the neighborhood meeting

[17:27] about views We did go back to our plans and looked at it

[17:32] and lowered the site as much as we could So the road

[17:36] coming off of sanctuary there on the left hand side what we did

[17:38] is we try to some maximum grade peer criteria

[17:41] that we could go down to just try to settle these homes down

[17:44] into the site Again, as much as we could without raising it up.

[17:49] I think there is going to be a little bit

[17:50] of dirt that's going to be brought

[17:51] off the site because of it.

[17:53] But trying to do anything we could to help minimize that.

[17:57] So with that, if you have any questions for us

[18:04] we're more than happy to We do.

[18:06] We'll get to them at the.

[18:07] You got it.

[18:09] Thank you.

[18:10] Thank you All right.

[18:15] Thank you to both staff and the applicant for your presentations

[18:19] So now we were going to proceed with public comment

[18:22] for item six.

[18:24] Do we have anyone sent it for public comment

[18:34] No no Public comments.

[18:39] OK So because there is no one the Center for Public Comment,

[18:46] is there anyone that did not sign up that wishes

[18:48] to make public comment?

[18:50] A few individuals.

[18:51] OK.

[18:52] What so during public comments, just

[18:56] reminder three minutes and just to be

[19:00] respectful of everyone's time, please state your name

[19:02] and address for the record.

[19:02] Sir.

[19:03] Yeah.

[19:03] I'm Steve trunk and I'm at one, 2, seven ten Bend

[19:07] Court in the smaller little cul de sac

[19:12] that is significantly impacted by this.

[19:15] Obviously myself and some of the neighbors

[19:18] would not be in support of this development

[19:21] because one of the things that brought us to the area

[19:24] that we loved about Firestone about this area,

[19:27] was the fact that there was a lot of open space.

[19:30] There was a lot of good views, great views Many of us,

[19:34] myself included paid a additional price for the view

[19:41] for the premium lot.

[19:42] If you would And I realize sometimes

[19:45] the realtors or builders may not be this fourth.

[19:49] This closing as they might have been, but some of us

[19:53] were unaware that this was going to be developed

[19:56] and so, of course, I would support not supporting this

[20:00] But you have other considerations and other things

[20:03] that you take into consideration and some

[20:06] of the economic benefit.

[20:07] However, I think if the builder and developer could in fact,

[20:12] not impact our views as much as current, Lee would be the case,

[20:18] no they did talk about, which was not

[20:20] at the other presentation They did talk about they

[20:24] didn't talk at that time about maybe lowering or having some

[20:27] of the view, not obstructed And so

[20:31] and I know that sometimes they show here the building envelope

[20:35] that shows the biggest you could build and i would, you know,

[20:39] hope that at least as this develops

[20:41] if it continues that that would be towards the front of the lot.

[20:46] So that we would be less impacted from our backyard,

[20:49] their backyard we'd have more of a buffer.

[20:53] And if we could balance out that buffer because it seems right

[20:57] now that there's a little more of a buffer

[20:59] to the ones on the east than there are to the ones

[21:02] that would be literally next to our backyard.

[21:05] I would appreciate that thought on that.

[21:10] And and certainly hope that we can balance out.

[21:14] So that we're all good neighbors.

[21:16] This is this comes thank you for your time.

[21:20] I think they should Hello giving William your

[21:33] so I live on cove 12657 cove.

[21:37] Couple of issues we've had with this there's no question.

[21:41] I think most of the homeowners will admit

[21:44] that that future as you see a development was going to be

[21:47] developed If you look when we purchased the lots,

[21:51] if you look at what they told us, they showed us what it is

[21:54] and what it is now, it's significantly bigger

[21:57] They're cram in more homes into more space.

[21:59] They're pushing it back.

[22:01] And for some of us that paid that premium for the lot

[22:04] when we bought that, these weren't a concern.

[22:07] And now there are concern now But probably more significantly

[22:12] for several of us homeowners is there putting in a sidewalk

[22:15] walk where there was going to be no development.

[22:17] It's some of the sidewalk goes well past track or J

[22:23] and the lots were built They weren't built

[22:26] to have that sidewalk there.

[22:27] If you go back there and look, there's

[22:28] about an eight foot portion down from the fence

[22:32] line to those homes.

[22:33] And it goes straight down and they're putting that sidewalk

[22:36] right there that puts it about 26ft from my back

[22:40] door So I paid for a lot premium to have backup to green space.

[22:45] And now I'm going to back up to a public sidewalk and it's going

[22:49] to be 26ft from my back door.

[22:51] Any privacy I've had is going to be completely shot

[22:54] because of this And I've asked that they look at other options

[22:58] for the trails and we've got trails

[23:00] all throughout the community But that's

[23:03] a significant concern that I think needs to be looked at.

[23:06] Thank you.

[23:07] Thank you So anyone else that would like to speak

[23:12] during public comment ?

[23:16] OK So i see your hand there.

[23:20] I'm Jean Brown Oh, we are in the process of purchasing 1 2

[23:25] in your edges, please.

[23:26] One, two, 7 to 6.

[23:29] Ben Court We don't own it yet.

[23:31] We haven't closed on it.

[23:33] I i'm a little disappointed because in the process

[23:37] of purchasing our signing the contract,

[23:40] we were told that there would be no development back there,

[23:46] that they were finished to developer was finished

[23:49] and had moved on out of that area and across the road.

[23:56] So obviously, that was an incorrect representation to us.

[24:02] But it's very concerning when we look out our i mean,

[24:06] we purchased the Eight foot tall, 15 foot wide,

[24:12] expansive view sliding door.

[24:15] And now it's going to be looking at someone's back side

[24:21] of their house But more than that when I look,

[24:27] I see a big stake right there.

[24:29] And that was the well head.

[24:32] So we are very close to it.

[24:34] I'm we're from out of state I was

[24:37] not aware of all of the drilling in particular in Weld County.

[24:43] I find it very concerning that there are so

[24:47] many thousands of wells here.

[24:49] And when i read about it you know,

[24:53] I read about how many are uncapped

[25:00] the state of development of the fracking and drilling

[25:03] that's been going on here.

[25:05] It's kind of in the mature stage and we don't any of us

[25:10] know what will ultimately happen.

[25:13] And our homes are all being built on top of this.

[25:16] So I find it very concerning that Firestone is allowing

[25:22] such a minor setback from cap wells

[25:27] I don't think it's adequate.

[25:30] And for my own home, I feel concerned

[25:35] But for someone who's going to be between that, well and me,

[25:40] I think I. I mean, do they have to notify the buyers that they

[25:46] are building on top of a well pad site Will they be made aware

[25:52] of that I don't think there's anything that I've read

[25:56] that says you require that be revealed to people People

[26:01] are coming in with children.

[26:03] My three little grandsons live next door.

[26:06] I have a blood cancer I don't think it's in our best interest

[26:12] to be allowing home homes to be built right on top of well,

[26:18] Pat what's going to happen?

[26:20] 75 years from now?

[26:22] Is this going to be one of the biggest cancer

[26:25] clusters in the United States I think

[26:28] you should think about these things It's not right.

[26:33] Those are my main concerns Thank you.

[26:36] Thank you Anyone else like to make public comment at this time

[26:44] Okay So at this time, the public comment portion

[26:49] of this public hearing is now closed And as a commission,

[26:53] we will now deliberate on on this matter Before we start

[26:58] with some questions and some deliberation,

[27:00] I just want to state that the documents include

[27:02] within the record for this public hearing,

[27:03] including all materials in the planning and zoning commission

[27:06] agenda packet, the presentation given tonight,

[27:09] and I'll written referral and public comments regarding

[27:11] the application will be included So

[27:14] does anyone have any objection to the inclusion of

[27:17] those documents records Okay.

[27:21] So with that, does staff wish to address anything that

[27:26] came up during public comment?

[27:28] Perhaps maybe you could speak a little bit

[27:30] about how the oil and gas functions when it comes

[27:34] to the pay for that Also perhaps address some of the setback

[27:39] concerns And I know there is part of the public testimony,

[27:42] the emails that we received in our packet that looks like met

[27:47] and argued spoken to mr. Arts in regards to his concerns

[27:56] and mr. Maher about the sidewalk going.

[27:59] And if you can maybe address some of those for us,

[28:02] please comment I take that to mean take it to the cancer.

[28:06] OK I'll take the oil and gas stuff since I have a little bit

[28:10] more experience with that than on a cut So first of all,

[28:14] we require our.

[28:17] Thank you.

[28:18] Thank you The fire storm development code requires a 50

[28:23] foot setback from plugged in abandoned wells

[28:26] They do have to be shown on the documents

[28:29] and they'll have to be those 50 foot setbacks will have

[28:33] to be shown on the final plat.

[28:35] So and yes, in your documentation

[28:40] with your title report, you know that information, you know,

[28:43] will show up.

[28:45] If it is on your property We also

[28:48] require that the applicant to provide all the documentation

[28:54] from ECM c, which is formally Colorado Oil and Gas Commission,

[28:58] now rebrand it as CMC and they have

[29:02] all the reports that show that the oil and gas equipment was

[29:06] removed correctly.

[29:07] And then it's been cleaned up correctly.

[29:10] We also require the town fire still

[29:13] requires third party information showing a report showing

[29:18] that the equipment belowground that we can't see

[29:20] was also removed And those reports

[29:23] do come along with pictures showing

[29:26] where they've dug it up to confirm

[29:28] that it's not there anymore.

[29:30] So we take it very seriously.

[29:33] You know, obviously, we've had a had an accident in town already

[29:38] in the past And so we take it very seriously.

[29:42] The safety of our residents and making sure that the old oil

[29:46] and gas pad was cleaned up correctly

[29:50] I think the clarification I'll just make

[29:52] is the third party verification is for pipeline

[29:55] So if there are any pipelines leading to those wells that were

[29:57] removed you need third party verification showing the removal

[30:01] or if they can't be removed because they go into a road,

[30:04] something like that, they're required to flow,

[30:06] fill them with concrete to ensure the gas

[30:07] can't build up again.

[30:12] And i can speak a little bit more to the conversation

[30:15] about the trail and kind of how we got to the conclusion

[30:20] that a trail is necessary for this development.

[30:24] So when we're looking when staff,

[30:26] we're reviewing these submittals for these application,

[30:29] we are review these submittals against the Firestone

[30:32] development code.

[30:33] And there are a couple of very specific sections of code

[30:37] that mandate the construction of a trail.

[30:41] So one of them is Section 1665, D, E,

[30:48] and that is about cul de sacs and dead end streets And in that

[30:53] section it reads, Should they be incorporated a view corridor

[30:58] at the cul de sac head or dead end street, a minimum of 35ft,

[31:02] which should be provided to maintain open

[31:04] views and pedestrian access.

[31:06] And then goes on to say how those view corridors,

[31:11] if possible, must include a trail connection

[31:15] And so that's one of the main reasons

[31:17] that that trail was asked to be included with this submittal

[31:23] and staff leave that the reason this wasn't done

[31:25] with the broader filing five planning was because of the oil

[31:29] and gas facilities proposing a trail at that time in this area.

[31:33] With that within that proximity to the oil and gas operations

[31:38] didn't seem as smart as doing it at a later date

[31:42] when this new development comes in actually, what wouldn't it

[31:49] wouldn't have been allowed or at least

[31:52] with our current standards, we have a 150 foot setback from oil

[31:55] and gas to a trail Can any other comments with regards

[32:04] to public comment that staff would like to comment on

[32:07] or the applicant don't believe so All right.

[32:14] So at this time commissioners, do you have any questions

[32:19] that we'll then go into any questions

[32:22] about the public testimony that we just heard before we go

[32:26] into deliberations It's been i'll go through my list Which

[32:34] part of the trail is most contentious The entire trail

[32:39] or from what staff has been hearing mostly from sorry,

[32:45] from residents.

[32:47] Yes.

[32:48] So from the feedback that staff have been receiving

[32:50] from residents that eastern portion closest

[32:54] to the homes over there has been of most concern

[32:59] And then I'm sure.

[33:00] Any other place where the trail is close to other existing homes

[33:04] is probably also very key, has used the pointer just to kind

[33:09] of think So right along here.

[33:21] And then potentially over there as well including the wavy part

[33:26] or between the homes or just the part that loops

[33:30] around the back of staff have not had any comments

[33:35] on the wavy part yet.

[33:36] There is an existing kind of wavy trail

[33:39] connection through this tract.

[33:41] At the end of it over here But yeah,

[33:45] that no other concerns mentioned and why couldn't it go up?

[33:49] I think that structure where there's nothing over here.

[33:53] Yeah OK.

[33:55] Is that okay that that connection.

[33:58] So this along the high side of the drainage Yeah.

[34:02] Goes through the whole neighborhood

[34:04] So when you cross the street, it continues on.

[34:07] Also when you get yourself from there up to you.

[34:11] So yeah you get yourself here, pulls right here So

[34:17] there's already a social trail here of people walking

[34:20] along this And the neighbors told us that to

[34:23] Yeah, you're right.

[34:24] There has been people walking out here

[34:26] the paved trail will allow folks of all abilities.

[34:31] And if you're in a wheelchair or pushing a stroller or on

[34:35] a bike or young or old or anything

[34:38] in between the hard surface trail

[34:41] allows all users to use it.

[34:45] What do you mean by social trail?

[34:46] If you can clarify if you go out there now,

[34:49] you could see that there's a trail

[34:51] and people have been walking through there essentially along.

[34:54] Do you call all the walking trails,

[34:56] social trails and barefoot like so as an informal trail, please?

[35:00] Well, don't let the chair do this thing.

[35:04] So if are there other opportunities,

[35:06] if the public have more testimony to speak Keith, or is

[35:10] that would be the proper procedure for that.

[35:15] So you close public comment in my recommendation

[35:20] is to continue what you're doing.

[35:22] Let the questions to be asked.

[35:23] Staff and then allow the applicant to have

[35:27] an opportunity to rebut.

[35:29] And then after that if the board.

[35:32] So chooses someone can make a motion

[35:33] to reopen public comment that would have to pass by a majority

[35:40] So we'll do okay.

[35:42] So let's continue.

[35:44] Yeah.

[35:44] So that's what we'll do going forward after if there's

[35:47] any rebuttals then I'll ask for a motion to reopen

[35:49] public comment If there's for the comments

[35:50] that you all would like to make in response to whichever it

[35:53] tonight OK So the other part of the issue with the trail

[36:00] was that there's a drop off So will there be

[36:03] any kind of guardrail or railing put in to prevent

[36:08] falls as it's not that kind of I don't it's

[36:12] not that steep of a drop off.

[36:14] I think the point is it.

[36:16] They're trying to keep the trail on the flat part of it

[36:18] and not have to build retaining walls.

[36:20] You know, when you get down into the drainage

[36:22] then you would have to build retaining walls

[36:24] and you potentially affecting the drainage.

[36:26] So they're just trying to keep it up on the flat part.

[36:29] It's not like a cliff though It's my backyard.

[36:33] It's a cliff.

[36:35] It goes down on So we need to keep

[36:37] order You have to have a chance to make

[36:40] some comments afterwards.

[36:43] Staff have also heard from some residents that we discussed this

[36:47] with that there have been folks seen walking

[36:51] through the drainage way, the actual drainage way with pets

[36:56] And so this trail would also potentially be an opportunity

[36:59] to get folks out of walking in that open space,

[37:02] that drainage way.

[37:02] That's not intended for pedestrian activity

[37:06] and up into higher ground, closer

[37:08] to the the residential areas where

[37:11] you can observe the drainage way from a distance.

[37:15] So just for clarification on the trail,

[37:18] is required or not required by the after See the FCC would

[37:25] require construction of the trail of that trail

[37:28] through that yes it requires it to be connected

[37:31] Ed, let me read it.

[37:32] So if you corridors shall contain

[37:34] a pedestrian walkway or trail connection, wherever possible.

[37:37] So that would mean the connection

[37:39] to the the stub out trail coming from that other tract

[37:45] over in this cul de sac next to that existing

[37:49] trail There have to be a trail connection coming out here.

[37:52] And then this stub out as well But

[37:55] does it have to go all the way around as the trail

[38:00] connection picks up on the other side of Barefoot Lakes Parkway?

[38:04] And if you really take a larger aerial view of filing five,

[38:08] you can see the natural connection

[38:10] from the existing trail on the other side of Barefoot

[38:12] Lakes Parkway All right.

[38:13] We don't get to look at those things on our own right.

[38:17] OK This trail connection here is required to be here.

[38:23] So in the 30 foot tract that's required there,

[38:26] it does have to have a trail in it.

[38:29] The trail down here to will connect into the trail system

[38:34] around and Barefoot lakes.

[38:36] So really good connections.

[38:38] You've got the pool basically, at one end

[38:40] you got the connection to the Barefoot Lakes Trail system

[38:43] around the lakes itself down at this end.

[38:46] So really make some great connections

[38:49] And you say that the drop off is not that severe,

[38:52] but it sounds like you can't pull that out any

[38:54] further from behind that home.

[38:57] I anything is possible.

[39:00] Typically, you're trying to avoid doing retaining walls.

[39:03] We should let that into the crucial at the engineer

[39:05] respond to that All right.

[39:12] So really the slope along that edge i'll say

[39:14] is that the maximum slope you could have?

[39:16] So when they design this, that's what it is.

[39:17] So once you start moving a trail, a flat surface

[39:21] out into it, you're going to be into a retaining wall situation

[39:25] along with.

[39:26] And then you will be in a guardrail situation

[39:28] because you are starting to install retaining walls

[39:31] So really we're getting it to that furthest point.

[39:34] We can get at the top of that edge

[39:36] where if you just for every foot or every three feet,

[39:40] you move it out, That's going to be a foot of retaining

[39:42] wall and also bigger impacts.

[39:44] And then you start to get that handrail.

[39:45] So you start to situate it.

[39:48] I mean, if you were to move it even ten feet out,

[39:50] you're at a couple of, you know, you're over two

[39:52] feet of retaining wall.

[39:53] So that's that's where we're kind

[39:55] of threading that needle on it right now, if that makes sense.

[39:57] What's the issue with that?

[39:59] Well, I think in a natural corridor like this,

[40:02] I think the last thing you'd want is a bunch of railing

[40:05] everywhere I think that's something that just

[40:07] doesn't really fit into the character of it to get

[40:11] a distance of, let's say 15ft away versus 20ft away,

[40:17] that really the perceived distance is not that much

[40:20] of a distance, but on a hillside like that, it does make a big

[40:25] difference in the design of it.

[40:27] Again retaining walls, railing walls that the district

[40:31] is going to have to maintain.

[40:33] Then that over time you know, will need to have work.

[40:35] And so it's just additional cost all around on that to

[40:38] But it's possible like again, I think anything's possible

[40:41] so that that would potentially also

[40:44] require changes to their stormwater master plan.

[40:47] Yes there's stormwater issues starts

[40:49] to play into impacts to, again, the existing

[40:52] vegetation along there.

[40:53] I mean, it's but to the point of well,

[40:56] I think you can build a theory for folks

[40:58] to understand exactly what this particular does,

[41:03] why this particular the design of that trail

[41:05] works So if there are stormwater issues

[41:09] or is there anything else?

[41:11] No I think that is it.

[41:13] And again we've been working with staff on what they feel

[41:15] the cold criteria is on the connection

[41:18] points for this trail, which is where we have then added

[41:21] the connection points that have been recommended to us

[41:26] and while we have you at the microphone, how

[41:29] much lower are you intending to build the home?

[41:32] Somewhat.

[41:33] Was originally presented to the neighborhood

[41:36] I think we ended up the steepness of the road.

[41:40] I think when we maxed it out, it ended up

[41:42] being in the ballpark of maybe 3 to 4ft lower on the end of that.

[41:46] And that is, again it was already

[41:49] the road was already from the original presentation

[41:51] was already going downhill And then as we looked at it,

[41:55] we were like, well, we can't actually steepen up the road as

[41:57] much as possible to meet your criteria,

[41:59] which is what we did to try to get that cul

[42:01] de sac as low as we could.

[42:02] So overall 3 to 4ft lower than the original downhill lowering

[42:07] that we kind of already had And how does

[42:10] that impact the view for the people

[42:12] that were complaining about it?

[42:15] I'd say that's kind of hard to say,

[42:18] given to each individual A home has a kind of a different view

[42:22] or a potentially you know, you know as it gets further

[42:25] towards the drainage again, each one of those

[42:28] is going to be down a little bit lower.

[42:30] And so you know, it's really what

[42:32] we're trying to do is the best that we can

[42:34] to try to help out on there.

[42:36] And meet still your criteria OK.

[42:39] All right.

[42:39] Thank you.

[42:40] You so i have another question for you.

[42:45] You said everything has been removed from the site

[42:49] with regard to oil and gas, correct Do you literally mean,

[42:53] things were dug up and removed Yes,

[42:55] things were dug up and removed.

[42:56] We are still in the process of filing all of our final reports

[43:01] Our staff mentioned, we have to go through and make sure

[43:04] that every single line has been removed They're still out We're

[43:08] still out here doing studies on it,

[43:10] trenching different areas just trying

[43:12] to make sure that everything has been removed.

[43:14] I do commend firestone.

[43:16] For what it's worth on your regulations

[43:19] that you do have on it, because it is rare

[43:20] and a lot of the areas that you do,

[43:22] make sure that all of those lines have been removed

[43:24] and we make sure that we honor that and take it seriously.

[43:27] OK.

[43:28] Thank you.

[43:28] You Mean questions Hold on No, I think that's

[43:45] it Thank you Thank you, Chair.

[43:51] I do have a couple and they're mostly for staff.

[43:55] About the 50.

[43:57] So the 50 foot setback from where they were capped that.

[44:01] So every new development home is going

[44:04] to be at least that for away from each one of those

[44:10] and these have been abandoned and capped

[44:14] and it sounds like they're going through.

[44:16] And verifying that they're all gone.

[44:18] And did you say earlier, there would be a notice to the buyers

[44:24] of those lots that they had been there

[44:26] were no the no lot will be no lot.

[44:30] We can't plot a lot over that 50 foot setback.

[44:34] So no lot will be over the 50 foot setback.

[44:37] OK That's our job to make sure that that doesn't happen Right.

[44:42] 50 foot setback, right And so is there a notice that that

[44:47] was there before or is that just I know you said something

[44:50] about it showing up in the I think

[44:52] if if it's on your property would

[44:54] show up in the title report.

[44:55] But if it's not on your property, it would not

[44:58] I don't know that it'll be on the final plat.

[45:00] Our subdivision agreements do require

[45:02] an oil and gas disclosure form.

[45:05] That's in the title entirely.

[45:07] It does in the subdivision when they're selling them.

[45:09] So it's just if it's in the lot itself, if it crossed

[45:12] or if it was in here about if it's in that filing OK, good.

[45:16] OK.

[45:17] All right.

[45:18] I think that's all I have.

[45:19] Thank you Yeah.

[45:23] Thank you, Chair We talked a lot about the trail.

[45:26] What's the width of that trail Ten feet

[45:32] and foot concrete I believe so This concrete,

[45:37] asphalt. Asphalt. Oh, it's asphalt. I still couldn't so.

[45:46] I'm sorry You guys want to clarify that?

[45:50] Don't have to be concrete to look.

[45:51] So you're the plan Oh, no, it's five feet.

[45:54] Propose five feet concrete trail.

[45:56] And it does have to be concrete.

[45:58] So i apologize for saying ten five.

[46:01] So it's.

[46:02] It's only five foot.

[46:03] Five foot.

[46:03] Yeah So it's not even like our.

[46:05] But well, kind of like our bike paths out here.

[46:08] Yeah It's this that you know, the other paths

[46:12] like this that it matches up to in bare lakes

[46:15] are also five in your open space area

[46:21] I imagine that's going to be somewhat watered.

[46:23] Is it native grasses or what are we looking at in there

[46:29] I don't know anybody It's dirt.

[46:32] It's there's some water down there during a very heavy

[46:36] So once again once again, sir, this is not your time

[46:39] to be speaking about anybody that is part of staff

[46:43] or the applicant So Yeah, it is just

[46:47] native seed that does have currently does

[46:49] have some irrigation out on it.

[46:52] Usually the intent of that is for establishment out there.

[46:54] And then at that point usually try and minimize

[46:57] the amount of water that is used to make sure

[47:00] I'm not 100% sure if you guys know,

[47:03] if you even run it normally out there

[47:05] or if it's just for established right out of barefoot

[47:10] Yeah, kind of depends on the area,

[47:11] but typically, it's usually around for establishment

[47:14] Know any trees or anything like that to help shade in the areas

[47:18] or.

[47:18] Yes So that's our thing.

[47:20] There are some existing trees that were planted out there just

[47:23] in the last couple of years We're hoping

[47:25] to be able to relocate some of those We do have

[47:27] in our landscape plans are the trees

[47:29] that we are trying to preserve out in there.

[47:32] Then the trees that we will be trying to relocate.

[47:35] And also, in addition to that, adding additional trees

[47:38] into the open space area And so it's just an establishment

[47:44] in the system would be left.

[47:47] Typically.

[47:48] That's how it is.

[47:49] I said, I'm not sure if you guys run it

[47:51] when during extremely there's a drought out there

[47:54] or if it's having an issue.

[47:55] But most of the time, it's just toward till establishment.

[47:58] OK.

[47:59] And yeah because water usage is will

[48:03] be a bigger bigger concern so Yeah so appreciate

[48:07] your concerns for that.

[48:08] And dealing with it appropriately So

[48:14] there's like Pat brought up there are issues on that routing

[48:22] and I know you already did all your studies

[48:24] and you economics of development and what's the cost to you

[48:29] and the impact and how you get your money

[48:31] back out of this thing.

[48:32] So retaining walls are expensive Yeah.

[48:37] So I imagine you're going to try to avoid those.

[48:41] Yes I would say conk concrete walks are expensive.

[48:44] Also, just in general especially for over 11 months.

[48:49] There's a lot of value on those two.

[48:52] You know, as far as for the bikers and the casual walkers

[48:56] and everything.

[48:56] And that's One of the attractions of your Barefoot

[49:00] Lake area you know the flexibility

[49:04] of movement of the pedestrians.

[49:07] Yeah, it's a shame there's that conflict for your users

[49:11] that already invested in their property There's and you can't

[49:17] resolve all conflicts, but you can try to make it the best you

[49:21] can if you can move it at least a little bit,

[49:25] doesn't hurt, you know, because you haven't constructed it.

[49:27] Yeah.

[49:28] No, not right.

[49:29] OK.

[49:30] Well, so consider and I appreciate it Okay.

[49:35] That's all I have to I just have to.

[49:44] Two quick questions One, in the testimony

[49:51] with the email from mr. Mauer, he

[49:55] mentions that there was he he liked the idea of paving

[49:59] the social trail along the river as an alternative to the pathway

[50:02] through the areas initially proposed.

[50:04] So can you describe what that initial proposal was

[50:06] and what was changed that he references in his email on that?

[50:10] And I'm not sure I'm sorry.

[50:12] I was to you.

[50:13] It was to you met the emails to you.

[50:16] I believe he was talking about this.

[50:20] So this trail connection on this side

[50:23] goes down to that barefoot lakes, the peninsula park

[50:27] with the trails around the lakes that they have down there I

[50:31] believe that he was mentioning that he would like

[50:33] to see that that which is currently a gravel

[50:37] or aggregate trail paved.

[50:39] OK.

[50:40] Which would kind of be out of the scope of this project.

[50:45] I see that he would have preferred that instead

[50:48] of the trail connection that's shown here

[50:50] Okay, we got a ridge for it.

[50:53] So, so with that, were there any other alternatives

[50:56] proposed in terms of the trail connections

[50:58] or any other like alternate one, two and three or anything

[51:01] like that?

[51:02] No, no, no.

[51:03] OK.

[51:03] This is the only one that fits within the criteria of the.

[51:06] You have to see And then my other question obviously, I'm

[51:11] not a builder or anything but the top home up there, it

[51:15] seemed you know, very close to the existing

[51:18] homes that are built. So i'll just call it the North.

[51:22] You know, the north, the way west corner

[51:25] up there is there from a developer effective as a reason

[51:29] why it wasn't placed on the opposite side.

[51:31] So there wouldn't be as much of a or as close of a being.

[51:36] So it wouldn't be as close to that to the home that backs up

[51:39] to So again, on this one, we are as I'm

[51:43] kind of threading the needle, there is an easement.

[51:46] The road actually has an easement just to the you can see

[51:48] on the right hand side of it.

[51:50] So that access point is really locked in by that easement

[51:53] right there of where we need to be at in kind

[51:56] of the tangent criteria along with also

[51:58] the plugged in abandoned wells that are over in there.

[52:01] So really, as we're going through it,

[52:03] the easement the plugged in abandoned wells, everything kind

[52:06] of out in the site and then the criteria of the engineering

[52:09] standards kind of really have.

[52:11] It's where there's a very specific location

[52:14] that everything that's in there Okay.

[52:16] Yeah.

[52:17] I'm just curious about this is there is so much over there.

[52:19] I didn't know if there was because of the oil and gas

[52:21] or if there was just some of the thing that was behind that Okay.

[52:25] Thank you.

[52:26] Those are my questions.

[52:28] Thank you.

[52:29] So with that are there any type of rebuttals or anything else

[52:33] that you want to comment on with regards

[52:35] to the public comment that was received from the applicants ?

[52:39] So do you want to.

[52:40] Is there anything that you want to comment on?

[52:41] What was it for the rebuttal?

[52:44] Again, just the applicant gets to rebut.

[52:46] Correct.

[52:46] Now that those.

[52:47] No, I was saying anything want to rebut from what

[52:49] was heard during that.

[52:51] OK.

[52:52] Public comment.

[52:53] And then once the applicant stand,

[52:55] then you can potentially reopen.

[52:57] But the motion Correct.

[52:58] You okay.

[53:01] That sounds good.

[53:03] Now, am able to make that motion.

[53:04] Keith was actually one of the commission members.

[53:06] Anybody who made the motion.

[53:07] OK before you do, can i ask one more?

[53:10] Sure Was there in our packet we got

[53:16] the email from Mr. Arts to Ms..

[53:18] Riser, but I don't see her reply to Mr. Yards.

[53:22] Yeah we so there was a reply and we also met with Mr. Yards

[53:27] out Matt and I went out there to the site and walked around

[53:31] and met him at his, at his fence and we had a conversation

[53:35] about it as well.

[53:37] Is there a reason that email reply was

[53:39] not include it in our packet?

[53:41] No it's not part of the public comment.

[53:44] Yeah, that's it's only public comment.

[53:46] We don't put in correspondence back and forth.

[53:49] I got you.

[53:50] OK.

[53:51] Thank you Right at this time of commission I

[53:58] would I make a motion to reopen public comment to allow

[54:02] for the public to address some additional concerns I

[54:08] second segment, Commissioner hoskins.

[54:09] All those in favor say Hi.

[54:12] OK We will reopen the public comment portion of item

[54:15] number six, the time is now.

[54:17] 653.

[54:19] Those wishing to make public comments

[54:21] may come up one by one Apologize if I seem I get heated I've been

[54:30] involved in this in a while, and it's

[54:32] pretty you know, intrusive here One thing about when you look

[54:37] at the developed meant take a look at the if you look

[54:41] at the what they proposed was going to happen when people

[54:45] bought the lots it looks just like Ben court

[54:49] if you look at it, it's almost identical in scope to Ben Court

[54:53] If you go to this photo here and you pull up,

[54:56] you can see it's significantly bigger than Ben Court.

[55:00] It comes out deeper and it's wider

[55:04] And you're right to be concerned.

[55:05] It's awful close to those houses over there.

[55:07] I live over here on the other part of the sidewalk One

[55:12] thing I want to point out, they already

[55:14] covered the maximum cliff.

[55:17] Appreciate it.

[55:17] Is a cliff out there and they probably can't fit a ten foot

[55:20] sidewalk because there's not enough room between my fence

[55:23] line and the cliff It's not going to do a lot

[55:28] to help the social traffic.

[55:30] So what happens is in that green space,

[55:33] there are about Four dog owners who are Bird Dogs owners.

[55:37] About once a week, they take their dogs down

[55:40] in that green space and they let them run and chase,

[55:43] you know, coyotes and birds and whatever.

[55:48] So that's really not going to help much as far as that goes,

[55:51] which is why I thought maybe if you put a trail through there

[55:55] in that connected you know, I know it's an expense

[55:58] and maybe it has to be a raised wooden deck

[55:59] or whatever that be concerned.

[56:02] But the bigger concern is, is if you go around

[56:05] and they talk retaining walls, if you keep walking

[56:07] that all the way around there's houses as cove

[56:11] goes through that exact retaining wall, was there.

[56:15] They have that sidewalk They've taken it about 40ft away from

[56:19] the fence line, down the slope And that

[56:23] sidewalk goes in and there's a retaining

[56:25] walls already built there.

[56:27] Now, I understand that they want to avoid

[56:29] the cost of a retaining wall, but they're

[56:32] not considering the homeowners.

[56:33] And it's not just meters About 4 or 5 of us right there.

[56:36] None of them are here.

[56:37] There are other things, but I know

[56:39] they have the exact same concerns as we do.

[56:43] But it can't be done.

[56:44] It's just an expense.

[56:45] But i mean, what's the value of my house

[56:47] going to be when now there's a public sidewalk there?

[56:50] If they would move that 20ft away,

[56:55] it takes it down about six feet below grade where

[56:59] they've got the retaining wall.

[57:01] My privacy is not impacted at all.

[57:04] I can sit on my back door, my back porch,

[57:06] and if I see the top of somebody's head,

[57:08] maybe I hear a dog bark.

[57:10] Maybe But it's way down there and maybe a little more cost.

[57:15] But I know me and the rest of the homeowners

[57:17] will walk away happy and feel like we've not been

[57:20] wronged So that's all I've got.

[57:23] Thank you.

[57:24] I'm thinking of album.

[57:33] Hi.

[57:33] My name's Linda Kane and I live in Been caught

[57:36] one, 2, six, nine, eight.

[57:39] And that squiggle path is on one side of my property

[57:42] and then the other one is on the other side.

[57:45] So I'm really going to be impacted by that trail now.

[57:49] And as far as there being a social trail,

[57:51] I've lived in the house a year and a half.

[57:53] I've seen De'Aaron Fox's One teenage boy

[57:58] and the gardeners, the landscape people,

[58:00] there is no traffic behind my house.

[58:03] I have a big dog He would let me know

[58:05] if I'm missing something You know,

[58:07] it's a deer trail It's not.

[58:09] People don't use it.

[58:12] We've been on, you know, I've been in the house a year

[58:14] and a half.

[58:15] And no one, I've been caught seems

[58:16] to be hurting because we don't have access down that way.

[58:19] We just walk.

[58:20] Other directions I don't understand

[58:23] why all of a sudden our cul de sac has to be impacted.

[58:27] So much by this trail.

[58:31] And people who go off trail are still going to do it You know,

[58:35] the trail isn't there doing it for other reasons.

[58:38] You know and we paid a lot premiums

[58:43] for this view of nothing.

[58:45] And now it'll be people Mine was $50,000.

[58:50] That was my lot.

[58:51] Premium And they said someday they might build there.

[58:56] Maybe in 30 years.

[58:59] This has been a year and a half.

[59:01] So it really this is going to affect quite a few of us

[59:08] Why does why so many houses in such a small area

[59:14] The people on cove, if there were if they put in like five

[59:20] houses, maybe people would still have

[59:22] a section of view left instead of losing

[59:25] completely their mountain view.

[59:27] The Sunset View But to cram that many houses in there you know,

[59:32] and who's to say how much view anyone would have left.

[59:35] But these people love their homes.

[59:37] We spend a lot of money landscaping.

[59:39] We have these private backyards where we see deer.

[59:42] I see deer.

[59:43] And I don't know that I'll ever see them again.

[59:46] Once this is done.

[59:48] Thank you Thank you, Linda.

[59:51] Just one point of clarification Haitian is meant Oh,

[59:55] can you pull that back up or do we have to hold on, hold on

[1:00:00] again for the record let's just get through the public comment

[1:00:05] and then sorry, after the public comment staff and the applicant

[1:00:09] have yet another opportunity to respond Thank you again,

[1:00:19] Steve trunk.

[1:00:20] One, 2, seven, ten.

[1:00:21] Been caught What I for some reason

[1:00:24] I didn't understand the little squiggly

[1:00:29] you know the lombards street if you

[1:00:30] would up there that comes down between my house and another

[1:00:36] house here.

[1:00:37] There's no there's no benefit to somebody that

[1:00:40] would be in that cul de sac.

[1:00:42] I don't know why anyone would come off that trail if they were

[1:00:45] going to the pool or well, where else

[1:00:48] they would go up that serpentine trail head there.

[1:00:53] And I don't know if that was a requirement

[1:00:57] It's not shown on the plan.

[1:00:59] That's actually not part of the plan.

[1:01:01] So this is not shown on their plan Okay.

[1:01:07] What's that We need the right.

[1:01:09] But that's it's not actually on the plan right now Right.

[1:01:12] So now I'm a little more confused.

[1:01:15] Is is it on the plan that's proposed?

[1:01:18] I think yeah.

[1:01:19] Once once we finish the public comment,

[1:01:21] then we'll have staff address that and kind of clarify

[1:01:23] because if that's not on the plan,

[1:01:25] then that's not an issue that is currently nobody

[1:01:30] uses that there except for to walk

[1:01:32] a dog down from our neighborhood and you wouldn't go.

[1:01:36] If you're going to the pool you use the lower one.

[1:01:38] But again, most people when they go into the pool

[1:01:42] have other means of transportation

[1:01:44] or walk wagons with their stuff in.

[1:01:47] Thank you.

[1:01:47] Thanks to you Appreciate it.

[1:01:50] Was there anyone else that had public

[1:01:52] comment during this time ?

[1:01:56] OK.

[1:01:56] So I will now close this portion of the public comment.

[1:02:03] And now move on again to deliberation and/or excuse me,

[1:02:08] two questions.

[1:02:10] Staff Would you like to address anything that came up

[1:02:13] during the public comment, such as the the squiggly trails that

[1:02:17] was brought up and any other concerns

[1:02:21] Yeah, I have to correct myself.

[1:02:23] Again, I apologize.

[1:02:24] It is shown on the most recent submittal of the city's

[1:02:28] This squiggly line as well as and those, as you mentioned,

[1:02:34] were so are required to the FDC says when

[1:02:38] you have a 30 foot track like this that it

[1:02:42] should have the trail in it.

[1:02:44] And the reason it wasn't done previously.

[1:02:47] Again was because of the oil and gas at the time

[1:02:51] it was currently there.

[1:02:53] Yeah In the comments from staff with regards

[1:02:57] to public testimony.

[1:02:58] No.

[1:02:59] Does the applicant have any responses to public testimony?

[1:03:02] We just heard So for delivery, are there any other questions

[1:03:11] that come up with this next?

[1:03:14] Yes, Commissioner, you.

[1:03:16] So the squiggly line obviously brings it closer

[1:03:21] to the homes on either side.

[1:03:22] Can it be a straight line that just goes up the middle

[1:03:25] and maximizes the distance from the homes I can answer that one.

[1:03:31] So yes, I prefer to be a straight line,

[1:03:33] but what it is, is we're trying to meet ADA requirement

[1:03:36] It's so what it is is that's the maximum grade that we can have.

[1:03:39] That is a steep slope.

[1:03:40] Those are walk out homes along there.

[1:03:42] So the steep slope, we have to get enough run on it just

[1:03:45] like a mountain pass or switchbacks

[1:03:47] That's what we're doing on that.

[1:03:48] So we try to make it the shortest

[1:03:51] length we could possibly be.

[1:03:52] And still meet ADA requirements on it.

[1:03:55] Gotcha.

[1:03:55] OK Thank you It's from the commissioners All right.

[1:04:06] So there'd be no further testimony or questions.

[1:04:09] The public hearing is now closed.

[1:04:11] The time is 703.

[1:04:15] And so at this time the commission

[1:04:16] will deliberate what we've heard and for any comments or feedback

[1:04:22] on this proposal So over here any comments and deliberations

[1:04:27] So initially, Mr. Young any comments and deliberation of I

[1:04:38] would have a question for the attorney

[1:04:42] As far as the premium that is not the Commission's concern,

[1:04:47] is that correct?

[1:04:49] No nor are any statements or promises

[1:04:52] that were made by Third parties to purchasers of lots outside.

[1:04:57] And that's because it's outside our purview is it?

[1:05:03] because it's irrelevant to the code criteria Right.

[1:05:06] Okay.

[1:05:06] I just want to make sure folks understand that Thank you for i

[1:05:23] don't have any further comments, bye.

[1:05:25] Do appreciate what the planners have done as far as I'm really

[1:05:29] glad to see the extent we pursue the,

[1:05:33] you know, the abandoned bit of oil pipelines

[1:05:36] and buried, things like that, We had that bad accident down by us

[1:05:40] And so I appreciate the new rules and the things that would

[1:05:44] help us We're always going to be stuck

[1:05:48] with developments that are tight because we're

[1:05:51] running out of water.

[1:05:52] You you know, sewer and everything else.

[1:05:54] And water So keep doing the best job you can Guys appreciate it

[1:06:04] It will say it's it's certainly kind of a balancing between you

[1:06:09] know, being able to allow the developers to develop

[1:06:12] and making some accommodations with lowering the site lowering

[1:06:16] the grade, trying to get that down

[1:06:17] a little bit to try to minimize the impact

[1:06:23] although not fully right.

[1:06:25] With regards to the views, especially

[1:06:29] for others be for staff or maybe for you, Keith.

[1:06:32] But if we were to as a commission

[1:06:36] say we'd like to make a recommendation.

[1:06:39] And that that trail is moved.

[1:06:40] And then require whatever is needed for that,

[1:06:42] is that something that we're able to do as part

[1:06:44] of a recommendation to the board as far

[1:06:47] as like amending everything?

[1:06:48] OK.

[1:06:49] Of course I mean, again, it's going to require consensus

[1:06:54] So a majority vote.

[1:06:56] But is that is that mean.

[1:06:58] Like a motion to amend the proposal

[1:07:01] or kind of what is that would that process is there.

[1:07:03] I mean, we could Yeah I mean, what if it what it would look

[1:07:06] like.

[1:07:06] I think is you know it if I'm reading

[1:07:10] the tea leaves correctly.

[1:07:11] And I hope I am you know what I would

[1:07:13] suggest is that there first be a main motion

[1:07:17] to approve the resolution.

[1:07:19] And then there's a secondary motion to amend.

[1:07:23] So a motion to amend the resolution

[1:07:25] to include the following condition of approval

[1:07:30] And then you can vote on that And then

[1:07:34] depending on how that goes, then you can vote

[1:07:36] on the resolution as amended.

[1:07:40] Does that make sense?

[1:07:40] It does.

[1:07:41] And upon the upon the motion, then we

[1:07:44] could have a discussion about the motion

[1:07:46] before we actually vote on the motion.

[1:07:47] Correct?

[1:07:48] OK Yeah Motion, I think.

[1:07:53] How how I would word that I guess we could deliberate it.

[1:07:56] Like as far as I don't know what the requirement would,

[1:07:59] I was what I'm trying to require.

[1:08:00] And that's or ask for it.

[1:08:02] But well, what i would say is I mean,

[1:08:04] I would recommend that you say, do you have a motion

[1:08:07] to approve resolution 26?

[1:08:10] Oh, Do seconded Okay.

[1:08:13] Do I have do I have a motion to amend

[1:08:16] or you know, but some would like to make a motion

[1:08:18] to amend resolution PCO2.

[1:08:22] And I can try to help with whatever

[1:08:25] that amendment looks like.

[1:08:26] OK.

[1:08:27] So once we discuss the motion to discuss that Okay,

[1:08:29] exactly right Sounds good.

[1:08:33] All right.

[1:08:34] Any other thumbs for deliberation

[1:08:35] before I very close all right.

[1:08:38] So at this time, I will enter into the record

[1:08:40] the staff member on attachments in the agenda packet.

[1:08:43] As we stated before.

[1:08:45] Okay I have a motion on p c resolution 2602.

[1:08:53] I request that we approve.

[1:08:55] I move that we approve resolu ocean PC 20 6-02

[1:08:59] and seconded by Commissioner Sutton Roll call,

[1:09:04] please don't do it.

[1:09:07] So don't do so.

[1:09:08] If OK so if you want to if you want to potentially debate

[1:09:12] the addition of any condition to the resolution,

[1:09:15] then now's your time.

[1:09:17] And then if that debate flows into someone making a motion

[1:09:22] when she formulated with that additional language

[1:09:24] is going to be that's when you would make the move Okay.

[1:09:25] When you said approved, the first one, that's why I was I

[1:09:28] thought we were going to have we got this.

[1:09:29] OK.

[1:09:30] We got to get that.

[1:09:31] You're okay So I had.

[1:09:34] So the first was from Commissioner lee and then second

[1:09:37] from commissioners I'm correct at this time would like

[1:09:42] to motion for is a an amendment to resolution pC

[1:09:48] or an amendment to p C resolution 2602,

[1:09:53] which would allow for the extension of the buffer

[1:09:58] between sidewalk and residents homes

[1:10:04] to have a a second for that motion.

[1:10:07] Also seconded by Commissioner Young So for discussion

[1:10:13] wise I mean, I think we've heard pretty clearly that there are

[1:10:16] concerns with regards to the trail being put in itself

[1:10:19] We've heard from the residents We've also

[1:10:23] heard from the applicant that there

[1:10:25] are going to be a potentially significant cost to do that.

[1:10:30] And some concerns about existing existing look and style right.

[1:10:35] With the surrounding community.

[1:10:37] But we've also heard that there are other portions where that is

[1:10:40] already in place So I think as a commission,

[1:10:43] we could balance some of these concerns the best we can

[1:10:46] We can't do much about the homes themselves,

[1:10:48] but trying to create additional buffer to help maintain

[1:10:53] and preserve the intent of when these individuals purchase

[1:10:56] their homes.

[1:10:57] So are there any questions or comments.

[1:11:00] And commissioners has about that?

[1:11:02] No, I'm well, I guess I'm wondering

[1:11:05] do we have to be specific as to how much buffer in the amendment

[1:11:12] I think that would help a lot.

[1:11:14] I mean, I understand that.

[1:11:16] I understand where you're going, but i mean,

[1:11:20] I think to give not only staff, but also the applicant,

[1:11:23] the right the ability to try and formulate what

[1:11:26] that looks like as I just didn't know

[1:11:27] what it would be ahead of time.

[1:11:29] So if you're able to assist with what

[1:11:32] that buffer could be because I'm not right.

[1:11:34] Yeah.

[1:11:35] Thank you.

[1:11:35] I can.

[1:11:36] So let's see how it goes.

[1:11:37] And we'll get it.

[1:11:38] And can move will develop it organically.

[1:11:40] And then we'll, we'll sort out the current.

[1:11:43] But for now is i don't recall if I made a note in the sidewalk

[1:11:50] and the home I believe it was ten feet behind is that correct

[1:12:01] All I remember is 20ft from my back door

[1:12:03] and it's that's why I'm remembering

[1:12:06] the 26ft from the back door.

[1:12:08] That's correct Correct.

[1:12:09] Where where you're looking at, there's

[1:12:11] a 25 foot sanitary easement along the back of the houses

[1:12:14] along Cove Street And the trail meanders It's mostly

[1:12:18] within that 25 foot easement.

[1:12:20] But right up against it.

[1:12:21] So I would say that trail is is 15 to 20ft

[1:12:26] from the rear lot line of those houses along not coastal Right.

[1:12:30] I'm sorry.

[1:12:31] Or is that cove in Pam?

[1:12:32] Is there is there a different is there a different map

[1:12:35] or maybe more like a top view that we

[1:12:36] could see for that Yeah, sure.

[1:12:38] We can pull up the you know, something?

[1:12:40] Just a a page hope that one of the presentations.

[1:12:43] What's this?

[1:12:44] I guess it would be helpful to know what's

[1:12:46] the smallest buffer in the can The narrowest

[1:12:52] land in the narrowest part.

[1:12:53] Yeah And maybe require that it be a minimum

[1:12:58] throughout 60 meters Yeah.

[1:13:26] Yeah So you know between pull that now so we

[1:13:47] don't have the ability to get that on the screen

[1:13:53] so we don't know what we're still deliberating right.

[1:14:06] Yeah.

[1:14:07] It looks like you without considering the squiggly trail

[1:14:10] between the homes because that can't really be

[1:14:12] moved the closest the edge of trail

[1:14:15] is to a rear lot about 10.5ft.

[1:14:18] Okay.

[1:14:18] 10.5ft.

[1:14:19] OK.

[1:14:20] And it ranges up to about 20ft to some of those houses

[1:14:24] along Cove Street where it's right

[1:14:25] up against the edge of that.

[1:14:26] So So we could do in amendment of a minimum of 15 or 17.

[1:14:32] Yeah And once we can we get the image back up,

[1:14:35] please Because in that image there is the one,

[1:14:43] there was like a home where it was basically like right

[1:14:45] on the lot line look like.

[1:14:47] I don't know if that's the ten feet that you're mentioning

[1:14:50] that once it pulls back up on that

[1:14:53] was different than the homes that we talked about tonight.

[1:14:55] But i think we're going to think we're working on pulling up

[1:15:00] a document to present to the commission that has

[1:15:02] actually accurate measurements.

[1:15:03] OK.

[1:15:04] Thank you.

[1:15:05] You're welcome.

[1:15:05] While we wait for that does anyone else have

[1:15:07] some any comments they want to make as we're deliberating

[1:15:10] with the only other comment I'll make is, is this just a reminder

[1:15:14] to everyone that it was mentioned that it was originally

[1:15:17] platted for 58 units and that it is now currently 11

[1:15:22] and that is somewhat some relief to the adjoining

[1:15:28] to the existing homes.

[1:15:30] Appreciate it.

[1:15:31] Wasn't platted for 58 units that they have

[1:15:34] 58 units available in filing five

[1:15:37] that they could have potential built.

[1:15:39] But they never proposed 58 units on that property.

[1:15:42] No.

[1:15:43] Right.

[1:15:43] But that's but they could have Yeah You know, 70

[1:15:51] any comments on the the trails or what we're debating currently

[1:15:57] Do you agree with the proposal or we or you think it's asking

[1:16:00] too much more than ten on your turn on your mic

[1:16:04] and you could speak into it.

[1:16:05] Well, we got to get you recorded and I don't know if that's

[1:16:12] above our pay grade, but I kind of feel for them

[1:16:14] if I paid this lot premium.

[1:16:16] I know that's kind of not part of it,

[1:16:17] but now I've got this trail right up against my property

[1:16:21] and I've got people walking by all the time.

[1:16:23] I mean I feel a little cheated.

[1:16:28] We well, premium or not, I think privacy that there can be I

[1:16:37] think I think they've made it clear that it

[1:16:39] can be that this was the plan without any additional

[1:16:44] modification.

[1:16:45] Yeah.

[1:16:46] So this may conflict things.

[1:16:48] But I think in the long run for residents.

[1:16:51] I agree that it's the right thing.

[1:16:56] And we're the code says wherever possible It

[1:17:00] doesn't say in the easiest way possible or the least expensive

[1:17:05] or.

[1:17:05] That's a good point So I do think

[1:17:08] that almost all of the new subdivisions have panels

[1:17:14] and they are all I know you have a minimum.

[1:17:17] I know ours has a setback of here.

[1:17:21] Probably only about 15ft.

[1:17:24] And so now everybody knew that that was going in there

[1:17:28] and maybe that's the difference is you know, because that's

[1:17:33] a really difficult thing to say when you

[1:17:39] if somebody is telling you that it's not going in there, then.

[1:17:43] But that is, again you know, it was on the final plat

[1:17:46] and that's kind of we had that same problem where they were

[1:17:51] like, some of that information's not really easy to find

[1:17:54] when you're purchasing true.

[1:17:58] Well, I find disclosures to be I come from North Carolina,

[1:18:03] where disclosures have to be so thorough Yeah.

[1:18:05] And they're better here than other places.

[1:18:08] But not as good as they could be Yeah, I

[1:18:12] think we're having some technical difficulties, bye.

[1:18:14] Think Pam Howard can make is looking at plans

[1:18:18] and has done measurements and can make and represent

[1:18:20] tatian right now about Oak about that

[1:18:24] to help you or at least inform your decision on what

[1:18:29] an adequate buffer would be.

[1:18:30] Okay.

[1:18:31] Thank you.

[1:18:31] Yeah.

[1:18:32] So again, ignoring the squiggly trail between the lots because

[1:18:35] of the aDA issue, the cul de sac homes at the end of

[1:18:39] and I was that, can we see it on the map?

[1:18:43] Yeah so Yeah so we have the point to the can

[1:18:50] we see the other picture that we've been looking at them.

[1:18:53] I mean, this is probably it's a more thorough guide

[1:18:58] to better accurate.

[1:18:59] So ignoring the squiggly right here.

[1:19:01] These two kind of corner points of these two cul de sac lots.

[1:19:06] This one here is right around 10.5ft.

[1:19:09] This one is right around 11ft.

[1:19:11] OK.

[1:19:11] And then when you get over here this trail largely runs along

[1:19:17] the inside side line of a sanitary sewer easement,

[1:19:20] which is 25ft deep.

[1:19:22] So where the trail directly abuts the edge of that easement,

[1:19:25] it would be 20ft from these rear yards here where it curves.

[1:19:28] It does get a little closer but probably about

[1:19:30] I didn't take that measurement for probably

[1:19:32] no closer than 15ft.

[1:19:34] So those were your yards.

[1:19:36] So where is that?

[1:19:37] Can to make it more complicated?

[1:19:40] Where is it less than 22?

[1:19:45] Everywhere or possibly right here.

[1:19:47] OK Not behind.

[1:19:49] I mean, these are the new homes that

[1:19:51] are being constructed Right.

[1:19:53] And that would their buffer be like one in the top to left home

[1:20:01] right there?

[1:20:01] That kind of has the I forget my shapes but so we're kind

[1:20:06] of curves looks like it comes probably within about

[1:20:08] that 10 to 15ft or so as well.

[1:20:12] You say Yeah.

[1:20:16] The closest new home to the proposed

[1:20:18] trail would be about 12ft to the lot, to the lot Yeah.

[1:20:23] So again, all of these measurements are due to the lot

[1:20:25] with a lot line up to the edge of someone's right

[1:20:27] to the back, someone's back door.

[1:20:29] I understand that.

[1:20:30] Sure.

[1:20:30] And on the plans But these homes take up a significant footprint

[1:20:36] of their lots, is that correct?

[1:20:38] We don't know Yeah.

[1:20:40] I mean, we can look at an area map

[1:20:43] to see no one's built all they all have rear setback line.

[1:20:47] So right you know they all are at least 10 to 15ft away.

[1:20:52] And then with that, Pam, I know that the concern

[1:20:55] has been brought up with the homes down here.

[1:20:57] On the bottom is, is what we've heard today and up at the top,

[1:21:01] well, there's some of the top on there.

[1:21:03] So with that, the sewer utility easement,

[1:21:07] does that then impact being able to

[1:21:10] would they have to go beyond four the beyond that

[1:21:12] to be able to then build a trail?

[1:21:13] Or are they able to build on top of that?

[1:21:15] How how does that work?

[1:21:16] So the sewer company St Brain is a referral agency, so they

[1:21:21] would be commenting on that.

[1:21:24] They can respond to any conversation you know,

[1:21:27] the applicant has had with them potential Lee

[1:21:29] But if the sewer entity says you can't build it in here,

[1:21:32] then they won't be able to build it.

[1:21:33] Usually they'll allow it as long as it's not

[1:21:36] directly over the line itself.

[1:21:38] And just with the knowledge that if the sewer district

[1:21:41] has to come out and tear up the trail for whatever reason

[1:21:44] that the Metro District's usually

[1:21:45] going to be responsible for, for repairs, not the sewer district.

[1:21:48] So if we were to say let's say minimum setback 20ft from

[1:21:52] the lot line from the edge of the trail,

[1:21:57] do you see that creating any is creating any issues

[1:22:01] that you can foresee right now?

[1:22:03] I mean, other than the drainage implications that were discussed

[1:22:06] and potential retaining wall, I mean,

[1:22:08] this would be as a discussion with the engineering department

[1:22:11] as to whether they'd even permit it within that drainage area.

[1:22:15] That's not up to us.

[1:22:17] So it'd be if we in.

[1:22:18] And of course, everyone else can chime in on that.

[1:22:21] But if that's what we made the recommendation

[1:22:24] for in our resolution then at that point

[1:22:28] before it comes before the board, all that would be

[1:22:31] discussed and and we would tell the board yeah,

[1:22:35] this isn't going to work the way that it was proposed because

[1:22:37] of engineering saying this, this or the other

[1:22:39] or here's an alternative is that that's

[1:22:42] what happened before the board meeting, Correct.

[1:22:43] Okay.

[1:22:45] Committee members, any thoughts as far as minimum setbacks

[1:22:48] that you want to propose 20 less or what?

[1:22:53] I would think you need to have a range because

[1:22:56] of physical restraints and what kind of burden

[1:23:00] are we putting on a developer besides the homeowner?

[1:23:04] You know, so I think if we went to like a 15 to 20,

[1:23:07] but rigid 20 might be more difficult. Okay

[1:23:13] And I think 20 minimum, I agree 20 minimum

[1:23:20] with the commission 15 to 20, you're like a 20

[1:23:22] minimum number one number.

[1:23:26] Okay Know, that's okay.

[1:23:31] OK So I think so.

[1:23:34] Sounds like we have our number of 20 and understanding.

[1:23:39] Commissioner haney's proposal of the kind of in between numbers

[1:23:42] there, which it may end up being changed anyways because maybe it

[1:23:45] doesn't work after they've done their engineering to So

[1:23:50] with that does that for staff purposes,

[1:23:52] is it better to have one single number or range which,

[1:23:55] which would be more?

[1:23:56] I mean, I think a minimum is fine, right?

[1:23:59] I mean, there's not going to necessarily

[1:24:00] be a maximum proposed.

[1:24:01] So Right.

[1:24:03] You know, and as you said, either way, this

[1:24:05] is to the extent that it will be permitted by engineering

[1:24:10] it is it's feasible to do so In the end, the board of trustees

[1:24:14] is the approving body.

[1:24:15] They can approve it or deny it regardless of what the Planning

[1:24:19] Commission's vote is and regardless

[1:24:22] of any recommendations made That's not

[1:24:24] to say they won't take it into consideration

[1:24:26] and hopefully they will.

[1:24:28] Typically they do But you know our engineer department

[1:24:32] will look into that more.

[1:24:33] Hopefully be able to have a response,

[1:24:34] a formal response from them prior

[1:24:36] to going to the board meeting Absolutely necessary Question

[1:24:40] but this that discussion.

[1:24:41] All falls into the wherever possible range

[1:24:45] right So if this ends up not being possible,

[1:24:48] then we lose the trail But the development continues.

[1:24:51] Is that correct No, The trail would still be required.

[1:24:57] You're asking that it be moved if it's possible, right.

[1:25:00] If the engineering department says the trail can't be moved,

[1:25:02] that doesn't remove the FTC.

[1:25:04] Require it for them to have the trail The trail would still

[1:25:08] be where it was proposed. without the minimum

[1:25:13] without that setback because that's

[1:25:16] your recommending approval to the board

[1:25:19] and your can your recommendation and can

[1:25:21] say that we only recommend approval if the trail is moved.

[1:25:26] But that doesn't mean the board has to follow

[1:25:29] that recommendation Right.

[1:25:31] They say if we remove the trail entirely

[1:25:34] it would not meet our criteria of our development code

[1:25:37] and wouldn't be approvable at all

[1:25:41] if if the criteria of your development code

[1:25:45] is wherever possible then how does it not meet that?

[1:25:49] If it can't, if it can't be done there is no there's no

[1:25:53] development code criteria that says

[1:25:54] it has to be 20ft from the home, right from the property line.

[1:25:58] That's a criteria that you guys would like to set.

[1:26:02] It is possible to put a trail there as it's shown now.

[1:26:06] Okay All right.

[1:26:08] I just want to set expectations as we move forward

[1:26:12] with this Well, it sounds like we have our proposal then

[1:26:16] to propose a minimum 20 foot setback from the lot lines

[1:26:22] to the edge of the beginning of, I guess,

[1:26:26] the beginning edge of the trail.

[1:26:29] So with that I would entertain a motion to amend Right.

[1:26:38] Keith, help me out.

[1:26:38] So to amend PC resolution 2602 recommending approval

[1:26:44] to the Board of Trustees with the condition

[1:26:46] that a 20 foot minimum setback could be applied

[1:26:50] between the property lines and the edge of the beginning

[1:26:57] edge of the trail.

[1:26:58] So jumping with the exception of struggling

[1:27:02] with the exception of the squiggly I it

[1:27:03] make it for for lots about.

[1:27:06] And then cordon cove street or is that just i would say,

[1:27:12] do you want to include that to be built lots or not.

[1:27:15] I think that could be built lots should be included.

[1:27:17] Correct.

[1:27:17] That just makes it easy.

[1:27:19] All the way across.

[1:27:20] And because some might already be close to that anyway.

[1:27:22] So that i do have a motion to approve that amendment.

[1:27:28] So so first, by our second Commissioner Hoskins

[1:27:34] and second by Commissioner.

[1:27:35] OK.

[1:27:36] So for this one, we need a roll call on the amendment

[1:27:40] So we'll have a roll call on the amendment.

[1:27:42] Please move Vice Chair Haney i'm sorry,

[1:27:55] Commissioner Haney approved Yes, Commissioner lee approved.

[1:28:03] Commissioner Sutton approved.

[1:28:06] Commissioner Young approved Commissioner Hoskins Approve.

[1:28:12] OK Motion carries Now, if I could have a motion on p c

[1:28:19] motion to approve on PC resolution 20

[1:28:20] 6-02 as amended, I i so move for approval of the I'll second 26.

[1:28:29] So to 20 602 So we have a first from Commissioner Haney

[1:28:34] and a second from Commissioner Young real copies commission

[1:28:43] early approve commissioner Sutton approved.

[1:28:48] Commissioner Hoskins approve.

[1:28:50] Vice Chair Haney approved.

[1:28:53] Commissioner young approve Thank you.

[1:28:57] The motion carries.

[1:29:00] All right we are on to item.

[1:29:05] That was it for the public hearing.

[1:29:06] Gresham So I make sure I wasn't forgetting a step on there.

[1:29:10] Staff reports.

[1:29:12] Item on our agenda, any staff reports None at this time.

[1:29:17] Thank you And thank you, staff, for all your attentiveness

[1:29:20] this evening on the discussion there.

[1:29:22] So appreciate Appreciate that.

[1:29:24] Commissioner, your comments Next item,

[1:29:26] start on the side commission.

[1:29:27] Any comments?

[1:29:28] No no I don't have any.

[1:29:34] I, I just would like to have us meet more

[1:29:37] often than every five months.

[1:29:40] You guys.

[1:29:41] So shape it up here again.

[1:29:45] More people needing land development right here.

[1:29:48] Something we're going to need again the make the adjustments.

[1:29:52] Any comments on it Okay.

[1:29:55] All right.

[1:29:57] I just have one quick comment.

[1:29:59] I know I have been out for a little bit

[1:30:01] just with various trainings and other things that are going on.

[1:30:04] But I think as we move forward.

[1:30:07] And we've talked about that, there's currently

[1:30:09] being some work done on the i guess, the purview

[1:30:12] of the Commission gratefully, I'm

[1:30:14] like looking at the ordinance of how the Pansy Commission works

[1:30:17] and things that there's some that's still in the works

[1:30:19] currently Not really.

[1:30:24] I mean, not really Yeah.

[1:30:27] We've talked about bringing amendments

[1:30:28] to the development code in.

[1:30:30] Once the comprehensive plan is completed probably

[1:30:33] be late this year or early next year that we

[1:30:35] may be bringing amendments.

[1:30:36] The development code at this time,

[1:30:38] we haven't been looking at changing

[1:30:40] any of the like petition types that come to the board

[1:30:44] for approval, if that's what you mean.

[1:30:47] I know that was done with Newt with the development code

[1:30:50] when it was written in 2020.

[1:30:51] Well, that was changed.

[1:30:53] So there hasn't really been any looking

[1:30:54] at changing that further.

[1:30:56] Okay.

[1:30:57] Yeah.

[1:30:57] And it was from what I was kind of looking at is just

[1:31:01] the overall scope and responsibilities

[1:31:03] of the planning, zoning Commission

[1:31:05] And I know if we look at our current ordinance I mean,

[1:31:09] some of it dates back to the 80, some,

[1:31:11] you know, most recently on there,

[1:31:12] which falls you know, well, in line with Sierra is 31, 23.

[1:31:18] And that section that talks about planning

[1:31:22] zoning commissions.

[1:31:23] And so as commissioners, I think it would be important for all

[1:31:26] of us to read through that.

[1:31:27] As far as what yours talks about in terms of our response

[1:31:30] abilities, what we do a big part of that

[1:31:32] is the matters like procedure for like.

[1:31:34] No, you're saying that or like what?

[1:31:37] Like the actual ordinance that governs the composition Yeah.

[1:31:40] So what I would what I would say is I think that's absolutely

[1:31:46] an important topic of conversation

[1:31:49] and that would probably be more appropriate when

[1:31:51] you have a full board of trustees, correct?

[1:31:55] Yeah I, we, we're, we're bringing now I just

[1:31:57] want to bring it out into the open because i know basically

[1:32:03] the way our current ordinance reads in terms of what

[1:32:04] our responsibilities are, you know,

[1:32:06] deal with making recommendation on the master

[1:32:09] plan, which which we're doing and other such things.

[1:32:12] So I think having very well defined like what our roles

[1:32:16] and responsibilities are.

[1:32:17] And in that process, maybe adjusting

[1:32:19] what the current ordinances talk about as far as what we can

[1:32:23] and should be doing as a commission

[1:32:25] with following along with Chris as well, it would be important.

[1:32:28] So I just want to bring that something that as future wise,

[1:32:30] we can start talking about that maybe

[1:32:32] Yeah i mean, that's certainly something that you as a body.

[1:32:36] That's a topic that you can broach with the governing

[1:32:39] body My recommendation is that that be done when

[1:32:44] you have a full governing body.

[1:32:47] And that's going to be in November.

[1:32:49] So you know, sometime after that would

[1:32:53] be the most appropriate time.

[1:32:54] Yeah, absolutely.

[1:32:55] And then any other meetings, if we have like on these,

[1:32:58] if you want to bring anything to us

[1:32:59] and we can talk about some things as a separate item.

[1:33:02] So.

[1:33:02] All right.

[1:33:04] So with that so I have a motion to adjourn to session persons.

[1:33:10] And second, by constraining in favor say I, I opposed.

[1:33:15] All right.

[1:33:15] We are adjourned for this meeting

[1:33:18] Do we need like ten minute break before we go into the

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