[0:03] And I'll ask Alderman Fargent to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

[0:20] Alright,

[0:24] first item is to adopt an agenda.

[0:27] Are there any corrections or changes to the agenda?

[0:30] Seeing none, I'm going to take a motion to adopt.

[0:32] So we'll move by Alderman Ollers, is there a second?

[0:37] Second by Alderman Tufty, all in favor?

[0:41] Signified by saying aye.

[0:42] Aye.

[0:43] Opposed?

[0:44] Motion carried, just for those that are listening online

[0:47] and that are here, we have Alderman Tufty at home

[0:50] and we have our city attorney is in Sioux Falls,

[0:54] they are online here with us.

[0:56] So just for informational purposes.

[0:58] Our consent item, approval of the minutes of our January 5th meeting, and approve of

[1:06] Lindsay Heider, paramedic rate at $14 hourly and to approve all the bills.

[1:14] Are there any questions and any of those items?

[1:16] Signen, I maintain a motion to approve the consent agenda.

[1:20] So moved.

[1:21] Moved by Alderman Yakin, seconded by Alderman Birkey.

[1:24] Any further discussion?

[1:25] Signen, all in favor of 65 by saying aye.

[1:27] All right, any opposed?

[1:30] Motion carried.

[1:31] A public hearing, temporary alcoholic beverage license

[1:35] on sale liquor at the William Jankler Community Center

[1:39] for the Flanders Baseball Association event for 221-26.

[1:47] Cole?

[1:48] Yeah, this is a permit that the council approves every year

[1:52] for this specific event.

[1:54] It runs from 12 a.m.

[1:56] We're told PM, sorry, on the 21st of February until 2 AM,

[2:00] on the 21st of February.

[2:02] So allow them to sell our colleague

[2:04] members at the event.

[2:07] I believe this is a, or who's doing PM?

[2:11] He's doing PMs, I think, is a.

[2:13] For the baseball association.

[2:15] Is it, they're the one bartending?

[2:17] I think so.

[2:19] OK, so that license allows them to sell alcohol.

[2:23] All that in mind, pending any questions,

[2:24] on closing the public hearing, I'd recommend approval of that item.

[2:30] Okay, are there any questions?

[2:34] Okay, I will close the public hearing and entertain a motion to approve.

[2:41] So moved by Alderman Farge.

[2:43] Is there a second?

[2:44] Oh, second.

[2:45] Second by Alderman Owlers.

[2:46] Any further discussion?

[2:48] Seeing none, all in favor of signify by saying aye.

[2:50] Aye.

[2:50] Any opposed?

[2:51] Aye.

[2:52] Motion carried.

[2:53] Visitors be heard.

[2:54] I believe all the visitors here are for an agenda item unless you have something else that's not on the agenda

[3:00] If you want to share that was discussed. Okay, then we're going to move forward to administrative reports

[3:09] It I was had an opportunity to go with Cole and look at

[3:14] remodeling at the

[3:16] Old fire station the new ambulance paid. It's coming together really really well

[3:21] So I want to thank the crew for the work they're doing up there, getting that shaped up to accommodate staffing and stuff there.

[3:29] I think it's going to come together really, really nice and hopefully here in a month or so, we can as a council maybe start a meeting over there or something like that

[3:38] or meet a little bit ahead of time, go over there and take a look at it and do a little tour of it.

[3:44] And other than that, that is all I have at the moment.

[3:50] Other than the, I've been contacted by Representative Heinemann

[3:56] about hosting a cracker barrel I think February 7th.

[4:05] Just the city, I'm going to recommend that we agree to host it

[4:10] and use this facility here to do it.

[4:14] I think it just works out good. It'll be at 9 o'clock in the morning, I believe, on February 7th.

[4:19] So if there's no objection from the council for us sponsoring that civic event, I'm going to go ahead and pursue that.

[4:33] All right, Birkey?

[4:34] I'm kind of on the fence, but donuts will help.

[4:38] Cookies are donuts, yes.

[4:40] If you come, I will definitely love cookies and donuts here, right?

[4:45] Okay, that's everything I have to go over to Cole.

[4:50] Thanks, Mary Dan. Just a few quick things for me.

[4:54] So staff identified an issue with our Code Red software.

[4:58] The link on our website hasn't been working, so if anybody in the public has tried to get on

[5:02] and click on it and not been able to register, we are aware that it's not working right now.

[5:08] Chief Sack and Ashley are working with Code Red support to regain access.

[5:13] I think they kind of revamped her.

[5:15] They went to a whole new platform.

[5:16] Yeah, so, with that new platform comes new capabilities and stuff.

[5:21] But so, Ashley, is that currently working on that to get it back up?

[5:25] One of the things we're gonna try to do when we get it back up is send out

[5:30] Code Red alerts in both English and Spanish.

[5:33] So everybody in our community is aware of what's going on.

[5:35] when we do send out a notice.

[5:37] As I always do, I would encourage anybody,

[5:39] as soon as we get that back up to enroll in it,

[5:41] it's a really good tool for our community

[5:44] to get out notices about water disruptions,

[5:47] snow events, really anything you can think of

[5:50] that we need to get pushed out quickly,

[5:51] it'll send it right to your phone,

[5:53] either you can, or you can select email, text,

[5:55] call, whatever you prefer.

[5:57] But we will, once we get it updated,

[5:59] or once we get it resolved and back up and active,

[6:02] We'll post on our Facebook and our website, letting folks know that it's back to normal.

[6:08] But that's the only, and, Zach, that's the only way you can, I can't just go and do it on my own.

[6:14] You have to go through the website to do it.

[6:16] If you get to the right link through Code Red, you probably could,

[6:19] but the easiest way is like on our homepage, it just says Code Red and you just click right on it

[6:23] and it'll take you right to the sign up page.

[6:26] There's a way that, because I added Ashley as an administrator, all I need is basically

[6:31] a name, a phone number, if you want it sent by text, an email, if you want it sent to

[6:36] your email, and then your current address.

[6:40] So maybe between Ashley and I, we can figure out just if somebody's coming into the city

[6:44] office, they can just fill it out, and then we can add them also.

[6:48] Okay.

[6:49] All right.

[6:50] Thank you.

[6:53] another quick thing city staff has been pretty carefully monitoring the water

[6:57] sewer project area over the last several weeks we had kind of a tough stretch

[7:01] there some free style where we're getting some roughs some ruts and some

[7:05] holes I know public work staff spent a better part of last week out there in

[7:09] the loader hauling and gravel smoothing it out the best we can we

[7:13] asked the folks to be patient with us on that but also additionally if you see

[7:17] an issue that needs some work or an area that needs a little extra attention just

[7:22] let us know these ways call the office and we'll get somebody out there to take

[7:25] a look at it and see what we can do. It's a little bit tough right now things are

[7:30] pretty hard and frozen so it's kind of hard to move that gravel around but we

[7:33] always take a look at it and see if there's anything we can do to make that

[7:37] area a little bit more accessible and easy to get around it.

[7:42] I had renovation

[7:43] The ambulance home there, Dan covered that.

[7:46] Last thing, and I kind of gave the council

[7:48] a little bit of a brief overview of my map here.

[7:54] City staff was made aware of some what you call deterioration

[7:59] within a manhole along Veterans Street

[8:05] on the west side of Veterans where

[8:09] you can see in the picture there the construction

[8:12] of the manholes somewhat compromised.

[8:14] That is a pretty important manhole, as I understand it,

[8:17] kind of putting it in 90 minutes' terms.

[8:19] As it is the beginning of the outfall line,

[8:22] meaning our lift station, which we call Aller's Lift Station,

[8:27] pumps the wastewater up the hill.

[8:31] It hits that manhole, which you have the picture of in front

[8:33] of you there.

[8:34] And it hits downhill in the lagoon.

[8:35] So we're keeping a pretty careful eye on that.

[8:37] We had a meeting with some folks from H&W and IMAG to look at that specific manhole,

[8:44] but really the whole stretch there, I believe there's six Tanner, five manholes along that stretch.

[8:48] Kind of paying careful attention to each one.

[8:51] As of right now, the one that really caught our eyes is that first manhole where the force main meets the outfall line.

[8:59] So what we're looking at doing there is likely next steps is looking at having IMAG come in,

[9:06] and get some specs of that manhole.

[9:08] Specifically so we can get the, what does Shane call it,

[9:11] the cone, the cone ordered and get that replaced.

[9:15] Other than that, the line going out to Lagoon

[9:17] appears to be 15 inch PVC.

[9:20] Pretty happy with the quality.

[9:21] We did go in there and camera it with our camera

[9:24] and everything looked to be good.

[9:27] But letting, I just wanted to make council aware of this

[9:29] because it could potentially turn into a bigger thing

[9:31] if we get some of these other manholes

[9:33] popped open and see some where issues

[9:34] because it could kind of snowball into a little bit

[9:36] bigger of a project, but we're pretty optimistic

[9:38] about what we found.

[9:41] It'll take a little bit of time to get,

[9:43] once we get it to spec out in order to get that man home.

[9:46] It sounds like they only make this custom

[9:48] and that they're only made when the weather is warm.

[9:51] So likely it would be sometime spring,

[9:54] unless we get some warm weather coming up,

[9:56] but that is something staff is monitoring.

[9:59] Shane put together a really helpful memo

[10:01] that kind of describes the whole scenario better

[10:03] than what I can, but I did want to make the Council of Public Aware that we are

[10:08] monitoring that manhole. We have some solutions that we're looking at and once

[10:11] we kind of get some pricing quotes, scope of work, I'll bring that to you folks

[10:17] for your blessing. But that's kind of how it stands right now. There is two

[10:21] pictures there if anybody didn't get a chance to look at it. That manhole is

[10:24] made out of some material that none of us have ever seen before. It's the

[10:28] wood and plaster. Typically that's concrete or some sort of fiberglass

[10:31] That's right, Andrew.

[10:33] None of us have ever seen that.

[10:36] So we have full faith that it's going to hold up

[10:39] until we get a replace, but it's not something

[10:40] we want to play around with.

[10:42] So if there are any questions on that,

[10:44] that's what I believe I have for my report.

[10:47] OK.

[10:47] Are there any questions for Cole or myself?

[10:51] Seeing none, energy and emotion

[10:52] to approve administrative reports.

[10:55] So when we move out on the beer keys,

[10:57] is there a second?

[10:59] Oh, so I pass.

[10:59] That's it.

[11:00] Second by Alderman Ollers.

[11:02] Any further discussion?

[11:04] Sidnan, all in favor, signify by saying aye.

[11:05] Aye.

[11:06] Opposed?

[11:07] Aye.

[11:08] Motion carried.

[11:10] Next item is old business second reading, ordinance 637,

[11:14] establishing schedule two, snow alerts.

[11:18] We had a pretty lengthy discussion on this last meeting.

[11:24] But I'll turn it over to Cole for any additional information

[11:26] that you'd like to share before any action is taken.

[11:29] Yeah.

[11:30] And I apologize for not being present for that discussion.

[11:33] From what I'm aware, there was some pretty good discussion

[11:35] on the intent.

[11:37] And then possibly the impact of that ordinance would have.

[11:41] But to put it simply, I'll lay out one more time just

[11:45] for the public and for refreshing the council

[11:47] what this ordinance does.

[11:48] This is a supplemental ordinance to our existing ordinance

[11:51] that we have in place, which is schedule 1,

[11:53] within chapter 76 of our code of ordinances.

[11:57] To be clear, I guess what Schedule 1 does is it creates an enforceable mechanism within

[12:08] the snow route when we receive over two inches of snow that requires vehicles to be moved

[12:13] within 24 hours of the snowpile passing, meaning our current ordinance, there's nothing

[12:18] there that requires vehicles to move prior to snow removal operations taking

[12:24] place. So what's happening is a lot of times we're having snow plows go around

[12:27] vehicles coming back a few days later or a day later to clean that up if the

[12:31] vehicle is moved. That vehicle had not been moved within 24 hours and the

[12:36] police department will come in potentially ticket them and once it's

[12:41] moved then the snow will be removed but there's really no there's no

[12:46] incentive to move your vehicle prior to snow removal just within that 24

[12:50] hour window after it's done. Additionally in our existing ordinance there's no

[12:56] notification of when snow removal is going to take place so typically the

[13:01] way I understand it and tenors in the room so you can correct me if I'm wrong

[13:05] but once the snow typically stops falling is when the clouds go out

[13:07] depending on the time of day they probably won't go out at one in the

[13:12] morning I suppose they have before but usually when snow falls falling that's

[13:16] when they go out, but there's really no way to tell people when that's going to be.

[13:19] So what is the intent of this ordinance? Well, the number one intent of this ordinance is

[13:24] to get public notice out as soon as we can and give folks enough heads up to be able

[13:28] to get their vehicles off the street in a timely manner, which will then, in turn,

[13:33] to me, do two things. One, it's going to increase the efficiency and the effectiveness

[13:37] of our snow removal. We're going to be able to move curb to curb a little bit

[13:39] more effectively, quickly, get through it, and not require us to go back and do

[13:45] so much touch up work following the completion of snow. And to I think with

[13:51] this advanced notification we're likely going to decrease the amount of the

[13:54] amount of ticketing that happens when snowmobile occurs because folks will

[13:58] have a little better heads up of when it's happening you'll attract that

[14:01] timeline a little bit better get their vehicles off the street if they at all

[14:04] can and kind of relieve some of these frustrations that we've been

[14:08] having with folks coming in not understanding the ordinance and how

[14:12] works, not understanding when the 24 hour starts. This ordinance would require that staff give at

[14:18] least a four hour notice prior to moving snow, and then folks would know exactly when they need to

[14:26] have their vehicles off the street, no question that way. We'd have to advertise it through at

[14:31] least, I believe it's one form of mass media, but likely what we would do in practice is we

[14:37] you would get that on the KELOLAND close line, so it's on TV.

[14:40] Get it on our city website, put it on Facebook,

[14:43] and then likely also send out a Code Red alert.

[14:47] Chief Weber has the capability to do that,

[14:49] as well as I'm actually here in the office with Code Red.

[14:53] So that is the intent of this ordinance.

[14:55] It's not necessarily to pile on more regulations

[14:59] on top of what we.

[15:00] Because what would happen is when a snow alert goes into effect, it would take supremacy over our existing chapter one, so that would no longer be in effect.

[15:12] And it would, I think in my opinion, decrease the amount of tickets we're giving because folks will know exactly when they did the other vehicles off the street.

[15:20] And allow our crews to get out and do a little bit more efficient snow removal practices in turn, which would give us a better product then,

[15:28] but also save the city significant dollars on wages that we're not spending additional

[15:34] time going back and cleaning up as much after each normal gets over with.

[15:41] So with that in mind, I would take any questions, comments.

[15:44] I apologize if I went over something that you guys have already talked about.

[15:47] You folks have talked about it in detail already, but it's kind of my thoughts on

[15:51] it.

[15:52] I think it is a good option for us to look at that I think would create some efficiencies

[15:57] but also hopefully get some more transparency down to the public cost savings as well.

[16:03] Okay, are there any questions for Cole?

[16:09] Okay, any, yep, Alderman Parjan?

[16:12] Well, I'm going to be right up front. I don't like any of it.

[16:15] But if you are going to pass this, I don't know if we'll get past or not tonight,

[16:19] but I think you should have a mountain of snow, number one.

[16:24] Yeah, Alderman Olers and I talked about that earlier.

[16:26] he prints it out, I believe it's a dollar after he sent it.

[16:29] They have three inches, so what they do in Dells,

[16:32] it's automatic after three inches,

[16:34] which you still have to declare the time

[16:35] of what you're gonna do it.

[16:37] It's after three inches or as such times

[16:39] as the public works director in Dells

[16:41] or his or her doesn't need to clear,

[16:43] so you kind of do it in either scenario.

[16:47] I think you go to get,

[16:49] so if snow stops at nine o'clock in the morning,

[16:56] Do you put out a snow alert?

[16:57] Do you always sit around for four hours before they go or do you keep moving your snow?

[17:05] I guess if I, this would, so the schedule one would still apply until the snow alert is issued.

[17:13] So if Tanner and the crew want to go out and start without issuing the snow alert,

[17:18] then vehicles technically do not need to be off the road.

[17:21] Correct.

[17:22] So that's what I'm getting at.

[17:23] So they got a half a day going in there, you call a snow alert, how about those

[17:28] streets they just hit? Can I park there? It's already cleared. Not necessary, maybe

[17:34] have an inch or a left on the road. If you're gonna start with a snow prior to

[17:42] issuing a snow alert, you're probably not gonna issue the snow alert at all. That's

[17:45] what I was getting at. I asked the question last week, two weeks ago, if you

[17:50] would have had it called snow alerts this year yet,

[17:54] declaring possibly yes.

[17:57] I don't see no need for it, you know?

[17:59] Well, it's not, just to be clear,

[18:00] it's not an every time thing.

[18:02] If it's like we got right now, it's an inch or two,

[18:05] not so much of a big deal.

[18:06] Do you ever snow any a mouth?

[18:09] You always gotta go back, clean up after yourself,

[18:12] this and that, blowing snow.

[18:13] I don't see the deed for it,

[18:14] but that's just my opinion here.

[18:17] I'll be against it no matter what.

[18:18] I think if you are going to do it, I think it should have inches.

[18:22] I think it's a bad time of year to start it in the middle of the winter.

[18:25] If you are going to do it, I think pass it or whatever, give people a chance to have

[18:31] nowhere to go right now.

[18:32] They've got no plans, what I'm saying right now, but that's my opinion, okay?

[18:40] Other comments?

[18:41] Question?

[18:42] I'll move your key.

[18:43] I agree with you, Mike.

[18:44] And the only thing I would say is if we wanted to do something this winter, in the middle

[18:51] of the winter, start doing the co-grad or the alert or whatever and start breaking people

[18:56] into it.

[18:57] Because I know like just around my area, they don't have anywhere to go and to try

[19:04] to get that plan to go and now might be tough for them to do.

[19:10] And I don't know, I plowed snow for 40 years, you plowed snow for 40 years, you know that

[19:15] you always have to go back and clean up.

[19:17] There is no curb-to-curb done and go home.

[19:20] There's always some re-do stuff, so as this sits, I would say go for the code red, educate

[19:32] hit people now, and then look forward to a later date.

[19:39] OK?

[19:40] That's certainly something that, if you guys do want to pass this,

[19:45] we can go with warnings for the remainder of this year,

[19:48] since it is, I guess, kind of short notice.

[19:51] I mean, we're in the middle of winter season.

[19:53] Just so we can do the Code Red, and we

[19:56] can do warnings for at least the first couple of times,

[20:01] or we can do it the color you guys want it through the rest of the winter.

[20:09] Other question? Cole?

[20:11] Yeah, about how much time are you guys spending on an average side of snow?

[20:16] Use your imagination, I'll say six inches or something, five inches.

[20:19] How much time are you spending cleaning up around vehicles?

[20:23] Cleaning up or moving the tower, you're saying?

[20:26] Clean up? Clean up after you've gone through.

[20:27] Usually multiple days, because we're waiting for the same car to possibly move.

[20:33] So I don't know if we keep driving the same block, waiting for the vehicle to move, or we try to make a lap through town.

[20:41] And then once we get done, we've got to go to all Main Street off.

[20:44] We've got piles of snow around town to haul off as well.

[20:47] So then we kind of almost have to put that cleanup to the side to do something different.

[20:54] And then once we're done picking up, then we do go back to trying to clean up again.

[21:06] First of all I agree with both Mike and I also am thinking about the amount of

[21:19] snow we should have down in writing so that we know what there is to do also

[21:29] perhaps both Brad and Mike can give us an idea of what they did when they were

[21:37] plowing snow and also that might help our people to kind of you know all of us

[21:46] to kind of know what they went through and if there's a better way to do it.

[21:51] Any

[22:03] comment on that?

[22:05] That's a question for you too I think.

[22:06] I had a question for you prior to that.

[22:09] OK, auto and beer key?

[22:11] Yeah.

[22:12] Don't you have a, if I wasn't mentioned,

[22:15] that you plow around them, and they're still sitting there.

[22:19] You can take it home after a certain amount of time anyway.

[22:21] 24 hours.

[22:22] 24 hours.

[22:23] But then with that ticket becomes another 24-hour tow

[22:26] tag.

[22:26] So technically, that vehicle will not

[22:28] be moved by us for 48 hours after it's been towed.

[22:31] I see.

[22:32] That's all right.

[22:34] So, when you have neighbor one, let's say they both get a ticket, well he moves his,

[22:40] you know, right away, now it's 48 hours until this one leaves, I doubt Tanner's going to

[22:47] come and get this one, he's going to wait for this one to leave also, so now you're

[22:52] looking at, you know, day three to finally get that cleared up.

[23:01] You're correct. It's a pain in the butt. I realize that with that, but the same

[23:07] token.

[23:10] You're not just driving around looking for cars. You're, you say you're

[23:13] moving out Main Street and stuff like that. That can take a day. A good

[23:17] snow that can take three days. You know what I'm saying? Then you clean up too.

[23:20] You know what I'm saying? If they don't get there, neighbors like walking

[23:29] through the snowpile the heck with it you know but I just that's

[23:36] just my thought

[23:36] there again so. Tanner? One other thing to add you know is you know when we do

[23:41] clean up you know our like I said last time we talked about it we grew up three

[23:46] different times clean up well what we've tried in the past is to take the same

[23:52] car back and forth without trying to fill the driveway again with that car

[23:57] spot and that's one thing is okay now we're spending 10 minutes going back

[24:02] and forth turning around in the road switching our plow to come back to try

[24:06] to feather that in so we're not filling in a driveway that's already been plowed

[24:10] out or been cleared and that's the other reason is you know if we can we can go by

[24:15] a driveway one time and not have to fill it in twice for someone to say

[24:19] pain for a snow removal and then we come back and fill that in again cleaning

[24:24] up a car spot and then we're supposed to pay for two cleanings or you know I

[24:32] just trying to do the best the first time we can, in a way it's not such a pain.

[24:42] Unfortunately, yes. I mean, it's just, I mean, I live, I mean, I can stand out there scoping

[24:48] and you come right along the plow and they'll be right in, you know, and I mean, it is,

[24:51] it is what it is. But I just don't want us to lose sight that I, I, I think Planney's

[24:55] been very fortunate to have good snow removal in the past and the present. I think we

[24:59] have crews that have been attentive and I think Flanders has a very efficient way of

[25:05] getting snow removed. Nothing is perfect. Driveways are going to get filled. This year

[25:11] has been a little bit of an exception, which has been good, but we don't know what February

[25:15] is going to bring. But I mean, when Mike's crew is out there and Tana, I mean, I think

[25:20] you guys have done a really good job of Randy and all of them in the past have

[25:25] done a really good job of snow removal. So we don't want to lose sight of that,

[25:28] But that just kind of answer your question Karen. I don't know if there's a better way of necessarily doing it

[25:34] It's just how we what's what's the most efficient way of doing it?

[25:38] And maybe that is with an alert or maybe that's just continuing how we're doing it now

[25:43] I don't know that's the question at hand

[25:48] Yes, yes, you may Karen. I

[25:51] I was wondering

[25:53] I mean, is there a way, or maybe it's a move point,

[25:58] but whether the cars can get flying to the city

[26:04] or in a little bit higher than the police department

[26:08] and a ticket for being in the wrong place

[26:14] for extra-monetized.

[26:16] I

[26:20] don't know.

[26:20] What sense of the rate for your tickets you issue?

[26:24] Is that an RV schedule?

[26:28] So you wouldn't necessarily do an additional fee.

[26:32] What you could do is if you wanted to increase it, which I wouldn't recommend you do,

[26:35] but if you wanted to increase it, you would just have to adopt an ordinance

[26:39] amending the fee schedule to increase the fee for that specific violation.

[26:43] But I think that brings us back to, maybe that's a good segue,

[26:46] because I think that brings us back to the reason we're kind of having this conversation

[26:49] is because not only do our guys get frustrated with the amount of times they're going around vehicles,

[26:55] but additionally and maybe Lori can attest this but in the last month with

[27:01] these few snows we've had I think we've had the most amount of frustrated folks

[27:04] from the community coming in because they don't understand our existing

[27:07] ordinance and how it works just to be clear our existing ordinance says two

[27:11] inches of snow if you're on an emergency route and you don't your

[27:15] vehicle with 24 hours you're gonna get that ticket well folks I've heard I've

[27:20] heard the concern that we don't know what two inches of snow looks like

[27:23] which maybe is fair, because what Aldermiurky has in his yard and what I have in my yard

[27:28] might be two different inches of snow, which is kind of a critique I've heard on that, putting

[27:34] that exact inches in the ordinance. But then additionally, again, folks don't understand

[27:39] when that 24-hour starts, unless you're home watching the plow go by your house. That

[27:44] could be, if you were on vacation, it could have been an hour before you got home

[27:48] or it could have been two days ago for all you know when they moved snow. So that's

[27:51] kind of the frustration with our existing ordinance.

[27:54] To be clear, I'm not saying that our imposed ordinance

[27:58] is the end all be all either.

[28:00] Maybe it's not, maybe it's not a perfect fit

[28:02] for our community, but it is something different,

[28:05] I think, that gives both staff the opportunity

[28:07] to increase their effectiveness

[28:08] or in the speed at which they're reading this done.

[28:12] Even if there is still some vehicles on the street,

[28:14] I think it's hard to argue that there wouldn't be

[28:16] a decrease in the amount of people who get out the street

[28:17] if they're able.

[28:20] But additionally, I think it's going to give some more clarity, transparency to the folks

[28:24] who have been frustrated these last month on when they receive it to get why they're

[28:28] getting one.

[28:29] When it's clearly posted the time of the day, when we're starting, that's when you need

[28:32] to have your vehicle moved.

[28:34] And if you don't have a spot to park, if you see that snow alert posted for, we'll

[28:38] say four o'clock, and we can place guidance on kind of how we start so folks will

[28:43] know this, but maybe you don't have a place to park.

[28:45] Well, if you're at home, you can kind of be looking out your window.

[28:49] But they're going to start at four.

[28:50] I'll pay attention around four.

[28:51] They're going to go by my house.

[28:51] OK, they're on the north side of the road.

[28:53] I'm going to move my vehicle from the north side of the south side,

[28:56] see them go by again, flip back to the other side.

[28:59] I mean, I think this at least offers an opportunity

[29:03] to both address some of those concerns that we've

[29:05] been hearing in the public, but additionally give staff

[29:09] some ability to get the job done on maybe just a little bit

[29:12] better and a little bit quicker.

[29:14] And just to echo what Mayor Danna says, I think these folks do an excellent job of moving.

[29:19] Yes, sometimes it takes three days to get things cleaned up, but once they have a chance to get those vehicles moved,

[29:24] I think they do a really good job of keeping the streets clear and safe and hauled off when possible.

[29:29] So that's kind of my true sense on this, and that's something I think the council could benefit from thinking about is

[29:35] maybe this ordinance isn't the exact solution, but I can pretty strongly say that I don't think our existing ordinance is perfect either.

[29:43] maybe there's some different ways that we can look at tweaking that and maybe

[29:47] that's throwing this ordinance out and restarting maybe it's trying to see what

[29:50] happens and then looking at it at the end of the winter. Obviously that's up for

[29:54] you folks to decide but just kind of my two cents on why we're looking at this

[29:58] is kind of what's...

[30:03] Any other comments, questions?

[30:05] Erin?

[30:06] Yeah.

[30:08] Me again.

[30:10] Now, I'm just throwing this out, but since we're in the middle of winter and we don't know what's to come,

[30:18] do you think it would be possible, and I'm, like I say, I'm just throwing this out to have warning tickets instead of actual tickets

[30:28] until people understand what we're doing and give our community a little bit of

[30:34] a break since we're starting this in the middle of winter.

[30:40] Yeah, uh, Cole.

[30:42] Yeah, I'll even talk to you, that's something that Chief Zach said, I think,

[30:45] that he said is a good idea for us to look at doing, especially if we roll with this sooner rather than later,

[30:51] is to give a little bit of a grace period likely to the end of this winter until it,

[30:55] until folks fully get used to kind of how this would work.

[31:04] Okay, any other questions or comments?

[31:10] Seeing none, I would entertain a motion on the ordinance.

[31:17] Is

[31:21] there a motion to approve the ordinance?

[31:25] Cole?

[31:26] Additionally, if we would like to add in the language

[31:28] about the three inches or to whatever the amount is,

[31:31] this would be your chance to amend this ordinance

[31:33] and do that as well.

[31:34] As somebody would like to see that,

[31:35] just so everybody's clear what your options are here.

[31:42] Okay, any action?

[31:46] there's no motion that's made it'll die for lack of a motion twice

[31:57] I'll

[32:02] say the

[32:02] it will die for lack of a motion at this time and we'll see where it goes

[32:08] looking forward call so just so I'm on the same page as all three folks clearly

[32:14] this is not the solution in your minds would you like to see us research

[32:18] some other ways to look at this is it amending our existing ordinances that

[32:23] I can tell you that probably 80% to 90% of South Dakota

[32:28] cities have something similar to this.

[32:29] So I don't know how crazy we can get beyond this.

[32:33] But are you folks in the state of mind

[32:35] that you'd like to see us tweak our existing one?

[32:38] Or just keep rolling with it as it is

[32:41] and hope that things settle down?

[32:43] Is that what we need?

[32:45] I guess my thought would just be,

[32:46] I think it's something we should address

[32:48] after winter is over in the summer

[32:50] so we can come up maybe with a better plan to roll it out, to communicate whatever we

[32:55] decide to the community. So when it gets to the winter, it's in effect and people are aware.

[33:07] I

[33:09] don't think you have to have council approval or motion to send out an informational code

[33:22] red that says, hey, we're plowing. In that, you could say, move, you know, move them

[33:29] whatever without having to go to the ticket to get started.

[33:36] Middle of the

[33:36] winter, if you already had, we haven't had squat for snow, we've got a lot of field

[33:42] people right now. It could be pretty tough spring, you know, till spring. If we

[33:48] don't educate a little bit. I think you can do that with the code red. But that

[33:54] doesn't mean you can't come up with a rewrite of what we've got. Okay. Alright.

[34:00] Any other comments? Seeing none, we will then move forward to our next agenda item

[34:06] which is SRF, my pay requests, pursuer number 10, 7,760, water number 23, 7,860.

[34:15] Thank you Mr. Mayor. These are for engineering costs for IMeg. This is for

[34:21] construction management of the project and it's the 10th request for sewer and

[34:26] the 23rd request for water. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer

[34:32] them. Otherwise I would recommend approval of this item. Okay any

[34:36] Any questions?

[34:38] Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion to approve.

[34:41] Pay request number 10 and number 23.

[34:44] So moved.

[34:45] Moved by Alderman Yatn.

[34:46] Is there a second?

[34:47] Second.

[34:48] Second by Alderman Farge.

[34:49] Any further discussion?

[34:51] Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye.

[34:53] Aye.

[34:54] Opposed?

[34:54] Aye.

[34:55] Motion carried.

[34:56] Next item is resolution 202602,

[35:00] adopting a Moody County pre-disaster medication plan

[35:04] for 2026 through 2031 this is nothing new per se it is something that we have had

[35:13] an opportunities accounts look at before I don't know if it got longer or not but

[35:17] we got it seems to be a lot how much 275 pages of good information how to deal

[35:24] with the community disaster so so I mean I I don't know that and I did

[35:33] read through it, and I don't know that there was anything in there that is much

[35:37] different from other things that we've looked at in the past and approved, but I

[35:43] guess this is our chance for questions, or if you think it's okay, we will just

[35:49] approve it.

[35:54] Any questions, comments? And it has to do, we have to do it. We have

[35:58] to have it to get better months. So it is, so you're kind of like

[36:03] it's you know so automatic beer key basically it's just for everybody it's

[36:08] just identifying the critical infrastructure and sensitive things that

[36:14] could happen in any kind of a disaster that's 275 pages long and then you can

[36:21] get because you've I you've approved it then you have the ability to get

[36:25] federal disaster relief and it doesn't have some good information it does

[36:30] the populations of counties, cities, those types of things.

[36:34] So if there's anybody in the public

[36:35] that is interested in looking at the mitigation plan,

[36:38] it is available, I think, when we post it online.

[36:41] We'll post it on our website.

[36:42] On our website?

[36:42] It's posted.

[36:43] It's posted on the website, so if you're interested

[36:46] in watching good reading material,

[36:49] go ahead and take a look at that.

[36:52] All right, if there's no further discussion,

[36:54] I would entertain a motion to approve

[36:56] move the pre-disaster mitigation plan 2026-2031.

[37:01] So move.

[37:02] Move by Alderman Farge.

[37:03] Is there a second?

[37:05] Oh, so.

[37:06] Second by Alderman Ollers.

[37:07] Any further discussion?

[37:08] Seeing none, I'll clarify by saying aye.

[37:10] Aye.

[37:11] Opposed?

[37:12] Motion carried.

[37:14] 2026 agreement with code enforcement.

[37:17] Cole, I don't know if it did look

[37:19] like there was much change in there.

[37:21] No, the main thing changed there

[37:23] Yeah, they increased their hourly rate, I believe, from 75 to 85.

[37:29] I know we've only gone with them for four or five years now,

[37:32] but I think it's their first rate change in over 10 years,

[37:34] so I wouldn't anticipate another large rate change coming.

[37:37] Just some quick stats while I guess looking at us,

[37:41] or looking at the rate, just finish that up, button that up.

[37:43] They charge us $85 per hour for all the hours

[37:45] they're out either reviewing the community,

[37:49] inspecting the community, plus $0.67 per mile, which

[37:52] are code enforcers coming from Brookings,

[37:54] so it's not very substantial there.

[37:57] This does include a $1,500 retainer.

[38:00] If we don't use all of that, they

[38:03] will move all of that over to next year, what we paid for,

[38:06] or we can have requests to refund from them.

[38:12] What else?

[38:13] Just looking at some stats on code enforcement for last year.

[38:16] I had some questions on that.

[38:18] Last year, we had 15 properties coming to compliance.

[38:21] Tim was just here last week to do a kind of preliminary inspection getting ready

[38:26] for the year to see what things have popped up over the winter. I believe we

[38:30] have about 20 on our current list that have been cited. Several of those are

[38:34] carryover some previous years but they'll likely be a few new ones that

[38:39] pop on as Tim kind of starts this spring. But with all that in mind I think Tim

[38:43] does a really nice job and I would recommend approval of that item.

[38:47] Any questions on it Ricky? This is basically just complaint driven. It

[38:55] isn't like on a regular schedule basis. His is more than complaint driven. He

[39:00] does it kind of depends on the frequency of what you're seeing violations but

[39:04] and he typically does inspections from March until August. Not on a regular

[39:11] basis but yeah I would say once a month or once every three weeks he gets

[39:16] through and he only tries to do it in the month where people can actually make

[39:20] improvements on their structures. He's not going to be out there in December

[39:23] saying fix it up when it's below zero. Well then he'll come and let's go up when you

[39:27] least expect. But additionally yes he will also assist on a complaint basis so

[39:31] if somebody calls in and says this is an issue of this property I'll then

[39:35] board that information at the end just to keep our entire process uniform

[39:38] because when I first started it kind of was happening where I someone would

[39:42] make a complaint it was a valid complaint I kind of stuck paperwork on

[39:45] mind, not turn it over to him, then we're

[39:47] kind of working the same thing, or he

[39:49] doesn't know all the conversations I've had.

[39:50] So I've learned that it's easiest

[39:52] to turn that flip out over to him, let him do his process.

[39:54] Once in a while, he'll pull me in and say,

[39:56] what do you think about this, the interpretation of this?

[39:58] But other than that, they do a really nice job

[40:00] of comprehensively reviewing the community

[40:02] and then working with folks in a way that

[40:04] allows them to kind of get things back into their minds.

[40:08] Thank you.

[40:10] OK, any questions?

[40:16] So after a while, when do you take charge of it?

[40:20] I mean, when things die out, I see some things are at 21, the year 21, I see, what does the

[40:28] bait property mean?

[40:29] It means you go in and clean it up.

[40:31] What?

[40:31] It means you go in and clean it up.

[40:33] So if it's a house, that bait means you tear it down and haul it off, if it's junk,

[40:37] you mean you throw it in the back of a trailer and get rid of it.

[40:39] So those are heavily dependent, and this is maybe more of a legal question that Matt can get to because it's based off liability, right?

[40:46] We followed our process. A certain structure is in violation of our ordinances.

[40:50] It's reached the point where they have gone through the process, due process has been passed, the appeal process has passed.

[40:57] The city then has the option to go in and bait that.

[41:00] Whether there's liability associated with that, meaning we tear down a perfectly good something, someone thinks they were wronged.

[41:08] Sometimes you have to have a little nuance in when you abate those things,

[41:11] it's just to make sure that you're compliant with existing state law,

[41:15] but also your process entirely.

[41:17] How quickly things get debated is dependent, simply put,

[41:20] how quickly things get debated is dependent on the complexity of the violation.

[41:25] With an entire structure, it takes a little bit more time.

[41:27] If it's, coal has a dilapidated lawnmower in the middle of its yard,

[41:31] the city crew can go up and hook up and haul out in 15 minutes.

[41:34] That gets done a little bit quicker because that more can get put back.

[41:37] So symbols that are on there for longer are likely a little bit more of a complex issue.

[41:42] Or adversely, symbols that are on there for longer, these folks have made incremental improvements.

[41:48] So say that my house got cited for shingles, windows, and siting.

[41:53] Maybe they've replaced the shingles but not the sitings.

[41:55] You're not technically off the list yet, but Tim will typically give you more time

[41:59] to complete those improvements just to make sure that's fair to the person who's

[42:02] making a good-faith effort to correct that violation does that answer the

[42:08] question okay any other comments all right entertain a motion to move by

[42:22] Alderman Birkey is there a second second

[42:29] by all the dollars any further

[42:31] the discussion. Sing an all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carried.

[42:38] Entertain a motion to go into executive session for legal. Move by Alderman

[42:45] Yeaton seconded by second by Alderman Eckern to go to executive session at

[42:53] at 7.14. All in favor, 5 by 7. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carried.

Flandreau City Council Meeting 1/20

Agenda

Transcript