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the other day, I wasn't paying attention and this thing hit me right between the
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eyes. Uh huh. Oh
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okay. Never we do. Mhm
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Good morning, it's nine o'clock and it's thursday The 28th, we're here for our
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budget budget meeting, keith johnson, our administrator, clerk of the board. Commissioner,
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Bohlen and myself call the meeting to order and if you'd all rise and join me in
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the pledge of allegiance,
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I believe the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which
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it stands motivation underneath indivisible with liberty and justice.
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All right, first on the agenda this morning as public works, Solid waste matt Mahoney
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and craig Erdmann. It's not sally Mackenzie. No it's not. Okay matt Mahoney, please
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check it out the solid waste situation in Hawaii right now. All right, well you guys
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go ahead present. Well, um certainly we can spend as much time as the board would
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like on the Solid waste budget. Uh A majority of all the revenue comes from grants
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directly from the Department of ecology. one of the other funding sources of course,
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is the, is the receipt of fees that are collected by base and disposal for the
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unincorporated area of franklin County. So there is a surcharge that's collected
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for these as well. So those are the major revenue sources and they all go towards
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uh completing those activities and projects that are defined in the solid waste um
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planned comprehensive plan which is under review and
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updating right now I believe. Uh Commissioner mullen is on the solid waste um
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committee and what they call slacks I believe that's the action committee and we
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do have a consultant that is pretty much completed some of the required updates or
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some required updates as far as a department of ecology goes and trying to bring
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it into our times. That's why if you look at the revenues there, you'll also see
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some payments from, from the other agencies which include Pasco con el messa and
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Kill Otis. A major component of this solid waste comprehensive plan is,
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is for these other agencies to pay their fair share of it Because there is a 20%
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match on the work that's done traditionally that 20% match has been made
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by the, by the county and usually that's done through those surcharges that are collected.
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Um So what part of the update is creating the inter local agreements with all of
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these other municipalities So that we can start building them their share of that
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20% match. So that's really majority of where it goes. I apologize, I didn't bring
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the, bring the the draft plan with me hoping that we're gonna be bringing that in
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front of the board as a whole. Um as soon as the committee gets to review the whole
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thing and and make their recommendation not only to the board of county commissioners,
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but the cities all have to review it and prove it as well. So, um, another major
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component, you know, both, both the, when we look at solid waste, we're also looking
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at the probation work crew and the probation work crew is, uh, has been, we feel
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has been very successful for especially doing some roadside cleanup and all that.
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It's been kind of slow track the last year and a half because of everything that's
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going on unfortunately, but we hope to get that back up and go on again. But that's
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also funded um, from that grant from the Department of ecology as well as being funded
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in part by the probation program itself. So, um, I can answer any questions,
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but this is one of those that, that, you know, we're required to have a solid waste
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plan were, um, required to do certain elements of recycling and promoting those
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things and um, you know, of course with the cleanup and all that, There's, so those
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were requirements on us. This is one of those things that the state does somewhat
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adequate job of funding. Uh huh. But they also do kind of turn around on us a lot
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and they'll cut funding. So it's kind of interesting how monies are collected from
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all the generators for specifically cleanup and all that and then they take the money
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for other things, but that's a guess an issue for another day that we can talk about,
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but it has been a successful program for us from a county road standpoint. We love
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the probation work crew part of it, which is litter cleanup. They've cleaned up a
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lot of illegal dumps in the county. They've um cleaned up a lot of trash on the roadway
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and it's just something that we hope we can get back in full force here as things
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started opening up more. So other than that, I'll answer any questions about the
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solid waste budget is question I have is the pond out there on foster wells part
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of this solid waste that lagoon that they're increasing the size of that is not your.
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Yeah, that's you're talking about the city of Pasko's their ways upon their, that's
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not part of it. Yeah. That would be controlled by the department of ecology. Yeah.
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Just one clarity on that. Yes. Okay. Other than that, I don't have any other questions.
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Commissioner moment.
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Mhm. Commissioner Mommy to interrupt. But I'm sure you're gonna be getting more information
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on this and you want. So if you do have any questions we can answer these and some
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of them will probably answered at our next slack meeting. So sally will be getting
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that out to everybody as soon as me and her kind of do our final cursory review of
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the of the plan itself. So um if you don't have any now, I'm sure you'll have someone
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you see you see that documents Now. What's the frequency of updating? That's always
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plans that done annually or every few years there's a required and don't quote me
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on this but I think it's every eight years. 8 to 10 years somewhere in there that
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were required to review it not necessarily updated, but we are required to do a review
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of it and do the necessary updates. And this is one of those cases where we actually,
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there was some new laws that were that we're past that we have to make sure that
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we're incorporating in our plan. So those themselves and you know, necessitated a
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full update. So and as well as making sure we had some inter local agreement so that
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the that the cities who are um you know, they can choose to do their own solid waste.
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The cities have just chosen for the county to take that on and manage the solid waste
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program on behalf of all the municipality. So it's just making sure we get the the
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documents in order that we can start Um charging them for their share of that 20%
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match. So those are two really two of the major components is some minor updates
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but adding the new elements as required by law and then the inter local agreements.
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Another question you mentioned the probation work through cleaning up illegal dumps.
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A couple years ago we worked with the Army corps installing that gate at the end
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of Columbia River road. Has that been effective? And are we seeing common locations
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of illegal dumping around the county there, You know, for us it can be as simple
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as just somebody throwing an old refrigerator off there and rolling it down the embankment
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of a county road sometimes they're a little bit more. I mean we're not going on private
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property looking for those things when people see those, those usually get turned
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over to the Department of ecology. So when I'm talking about illegal dump sites,
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we're usually looking on city property, county property or rights of ways, um, that
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we have access to. So I don't want to give the impression that we're going out and
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looking on private property, but certainly we've had some areas, um, Off
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the county roads, mainly on the east side of 395 where we do have some pretty
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remote roads and, and so pretty good, pretty good embankments for people to kind
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of toss stuff down and so there's been some huge work and keeping an eye on those
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areas and keeping them keeping them cleaned up. I've noticed a new spot and that's
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on stage more there or that tree rose out there, throwing a lot of garbage along
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in the borrow pit right there. It looks like a remodel job been put there and Tires
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and where is that at against stage more. This is on west of 395 on stage more, right
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past that little waist way. Okay,
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I've been going to get down there and clean it up myself, but I been a little short
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on time.
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So is there an order ordinance in franklin county that you're aware of? Not one that
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I'm aware of. No, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been out there and
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you know, yeah, I'm familiar with it. It's something we can look into from a county
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standpoint that's for sure. Um, Yeah, it's, well, I mean, not to see the need
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to necessity to make it, but we just would be nice if, if certain
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entities would self regulate themselves on that. There certainly are certainly our
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public nuisance
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ordinances that all municipality have and also health and safety ordinances.
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So yeah, I'm a little surprised, you know, I won't go into detail here, but I think
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we all know what we're referring to. I'm a little surprised that the, some of the
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regulatory agencies are being more active in, in that specifically the Washington
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state Department of ecology. That's what I've heard is they want to enforce it because
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there's no ordinance, so they're not out of compliance because there is no ordinance.
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We'll take a look at that already and maybe you could advise us on putting one in
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place. One other thing I'd like to mention is, I'm seeing an increased amount of
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beer bottles in the fields and what's very troubling there is that a farmer is raising
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potatoes and he digs and one potato is found with a piece of glass. They call the
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whole field. Yeah, they can't and this could be very detrimental to anybody that's
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raising food, such as vegetables, potatoes or carrots because people are just throwing
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these beer bottles that I'd like to see an increase on fines for any glass being
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thrown from a vehicle.
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But other than that, do you have any other questions? No, no other questions. All
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right, well, thank you very much. But I don't think you guys are moving. No. Well,
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we got public works next. When I see Craig, Craig's name should be there. There's
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not.
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Craig's. Craig is a definitely vital in the next conversation for
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sure. And, and he's here to answer any of the boards questions, but with the board's
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indulgence, um, I do have a some points written here and if it pleases the board,
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I'd like to just kind of read down through it, Go ahead. Um, Well, the main thing
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is we want to look at as we look at the proposed revenue for the county road fund.
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We need to point out That one million, $341,742 represents federal funds
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which are committed to specific projects And we also have charges for goods and services
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in the total of that equals 285,000 $50. Both of these represent revenues exists
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only upon the expenditure of funds, meaning if we don't spend the money, we don't
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get the revenue. So when people look at our, our budget and they see a high number,
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the assumption is that there's a lot of money there and we just need to point out
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that a lot of these revenues don't exist if we do not do projects or we don't do
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provide services for other entities or, or departments within within our own county.
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So we also need to understand that the proposed beginning fund balance, which we
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show, I'm not sure that it shows necessarily in the budget documents that you have,
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but we just always want to point out that that's our best estimate at this time and
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could be more or less than what we are currently showing. So we actually that number
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for us will actually change all the way up until until december when the board approves
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it, where we have a much better idea where we're going to be at. If we were to subtract
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the numbers I have just mentioned, we are left with eight million $37,420. The
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primary contributors to this number of the county roads property tax levy proposed
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at 3.7 million, which does not include a levee shift and includes a 1% increase And
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revenues received through the State Motor Vehicle Fund which includes $520,866 in
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cap, which stands for the county arterial preservation program.
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$136,126 in multi modal transportation
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And 2,943,303 in motor vehicle fuel tax for a total of
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3.6 million or three million or $3,600,295 when adding these
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revenues together we have a total Of 7,300,295 which represents
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91% of our operational revenues as such. Any loss in these revenues has a huge impact
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on the operations of the county road fund and more specifically the road maintenance
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and preservation activities. Since 2018, we have seen a major drop in revenues from
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the Motor State Motor Vehicle Fund, which includes cap, multi modal and the motor
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vehicle fuel tax. It's important to note, we receive our budget estimates directly
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from the state. They provide us these annual estimates that we use as our budget
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numbers In 2018 are budgeted versus actual revenues were
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$3,660,850 and
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$3,699,795 $94 respectively for a difference
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of 38,944 or a 1.06% gain. So we actually received
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More than what we budgeted in 2018, 2019. Budgeted vs actual revenues.
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Our budgeted was $3,719,000.863, let me say that again, three million
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$719,863.
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$3,605,158 respectively. For a difference of a
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negative 114,705 Or a 3.0 8% loss.
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2020 budgeted versus actual revenues. We're approximately 3.9 and
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3.3 respectively. The actual difference was a negative
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$633,546 or a 16.22% loss
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From 2018 to 2020. We have seen a total loss of revenues equal to $709,307
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and a decrease And a decrease of 11.5, We do not have the total revenues for
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2021, but we do anticipate a similar loss to that of 2020. So approximately a
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$600,000 loss in revenues based on these losses in revenue and no signs of improvement
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in the future. We must do our best to preserve the last major source of revenue for
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the maintenance and preservation of the county road system, which is the county road
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levy. Although I know how unpopular this next statement is, I have to say it and
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I'm going to ask the board to consider a 1% increase to the levy as well as any available
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bank capacity. Even with these increases, we still would not be keeping pace with
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current and or future inflation and we all, I think have a pretty good idea of where
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inflation is going. We're being told that we could see fuel prices up as high as
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$6 a gallon in many areas and this will affect every aspect of what we do. Um
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um so Even even with these increases, I'll pass that um it is
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important to note that it would only be generating additional revenue. So if we did
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all that, the 1% in any, in any of the bank capacity, That increase is only
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going to equal approximately $100 For each mile of County Road. So that's all it's
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going to generate an additional $100 for each mile. We have 970 just
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just shy of 1000 miles of county road and so you can see for us
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the The 1% for us doesn't even keep hasn't even kept up with
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inflation and it's the one area that this county has control of for as far as revenue
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for the county road funds. So matt, before you move away from that, you never mentioned
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the road shift money in that. Are you figuring no road shift money for this every
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year? We come in here we always, we always present a budget that does not include
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a road shift and includes a 1%. So you're saying we're still going to come up short
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if we shift no money, we're still going to come up short just in the motor vehicle
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fuel tax. We've lost over 700,000 in the last three years just in drops of revenues
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in the motor vehicle fuel tax. And with that unpopular statement, I just like to
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add as much as that's going to affect the county road fund. It's affecting every
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landowner out there too because their products have got to get to market and that
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fuel cost increases hitting them too. Yeah. We, and we absolutely understand and
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our and our crops are not gaining in value with inflation. We're losing ground most
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with a lot of them. Yeah. No. Uh, when I, when I say unpopular, I don't just mean
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for the people of franklin County or these board members. I don't like saying it
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either. That's, I'm, I stand with the people in franklin County and this board as
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it comes to raising in any taxes or levies, but, but I also have a responsibility
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to come in and tell the truth to the board and motor vehicle fuel tax is dropping.
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We don't see that it's, we do not believe that it's ever going to come back to what
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it was and the reasons for that aren't just due to inflation or, or the covid where
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people haven't been driving, but we see that we see more and more people that aren't
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going to be driving, but also the introduction of the electric vehicles and the hybrids
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in our state has not done a thing to figure out how to how to get the
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money through the motor vehicle fund, which I consider as a user fee for the road
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system and getting everybody to pay their fair share. I don't know when that will
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happen because they've been talking about it for you know, keith can probably but
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at least for the last 10 years heavily on how they're going to, How they're going
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to deal with the increase in hybrids. And then of course in our state when we got
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a governor who is telling us that by 2030 there will be no no gas vehicles in the
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state of Washington, I was going to add to that. I was going to say it's not just
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the introduction, it's the mandate that he's putting down that we're going to eliminate
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fossil fuel which eliminates the ability to maintain our roadways, correct? Yes.
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Is there any distinction in terms of where and tear on our infrastructure road system
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between an electric vehicle and gas powered vehicle? It has a beautiful bars.
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Probably.
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Yeah. Electrical heart disease. We're on the road. Protracted issue major on faith.
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Okay, there's a man wear and tear on well, so if electric cars come in yet
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the same, there's other things that you can Yeah.
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Mhm.
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Thank you were here.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah,
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I followed the situation will have a pilot program with the Uh
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huh where they're going with fees for electric vehicles is
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how the state constitution is right now. The state gas tax is constitutionally mandated
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to go towards county Robbins or you know, road preservation in general. And I
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haven't seen where they put anything in place to where when they replace and a natural
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hair conditions in your vehicles with electorate that they are going to protect the
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revenue stream in the same way. And to me that is a vital issue that money has to
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be protected. We cannot and it is not criticism of the legislature, but we all know
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that political whims come and go and we need money that cannot be just grabbed willingly
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and taken out any year that we don't get the money we need to preserve and improve
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the road system. We never get back, we fall further behind and it compounds now
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through the life of the system. That's one of the by delicious that in the next 5-10
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years that it has to be mm has to have a solution.
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And I would like to add to that that once you start seeing the ramifications of electric
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cars over charging batteries and wrecks on the road with that acid, you're going
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to see more destruction to our roadways. Yeah. You know, there's a potential that
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these vehicles will run heavier, you know, obvious suspect especially trucking with
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battery systems and stuff that they and we're already seeing increases so they'll
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have to add more axles and so on. You know, there's, it's just not a
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simple, are we getting money to do county roads for state roads or whatever. This
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fans out into a giant web impacts up and down the stream,
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you know, I I hope Uh huh Legal revenue people are looking at those
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thank you. Federal estate level is we depend on that.
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And you know, it is good to know that there is a crossover between the direction
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the our governor is trying to take us in solid waste because we are now looking down
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the stream and seeing all these electric vehicles and the batteries and understanding
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that that's going to be a new major waste stream and one that's probably going to
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be worse than, than what we see now. So, those are concerns that we have, even on
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the solid waste side of things. Um, so we see some huge cross over there. Um, if
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it pleases the board, I'd like to, those were my main points of revenue. I'd like
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to quickly point out some specific activities on the expenditure side. Um, when we
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kind of look at these things, when we look at Chip seal, let's say, which is set
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at, sorry guys, I'll let you catch up
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uh huh. When we look at chip seal at 1.35 mil included in that, it's not just
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chip seal, but it's also the seal coat clean up. It's also our skip patching and
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fog seals. Um, mm, those activities is, you know, as well as
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our crack seal that we do. That's part, those are major components of our preservation
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activities. Just looking at the chip seal and those activities that are directly
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underneath it. The seal coat clean up, skip patching fogs, hill, we have 1.47 million
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and that's a vital vital area there. And I'm, you know, I've been honest with the
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board or I'm always honest with the board, but I've been frank with the board. So
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I'll just say that we are way behind in our preservation activities and it's been
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going on for a while. Um, the county used to be on a seven year
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cycle for chip seal on our, all of our paved roads. Um
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now, uh huh, You can imagine for us to do, to stay on that schedule, we have to be
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doing about 70 miles a year approximately and that's plus or minus what you're seeing
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here is nowhere near that. And so We actually fell back to about a 10 year cycle,
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um, probably In the early 2000s, mid to early 2000s and now
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we're beyond that. So, and you know, like they say, and you've probably
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heard it, if you've been to any of the meetings for every penny, not spent today
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will be dollars big dollars in the future. And so we take our preservation activities
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is as painful as they are to the public sometimes when we're out there doing our
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chip seal and our crack seal, they are vital and they are worldwide still considered
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to be the best and primary way to preserve paved roads and that's through what they
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call it vitamin A surface treatment, good crack seal. When he cracks come up, sealing
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those of water, moisture cannot get down into the road. And so I just wanted to point
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that out that, You know, we right now we're showing up just shy of 1.5 million for
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that whole area. We're falling farther and farther behind. We would like that to
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be probably about trump triple or quadruple that number. But we also now just kind
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of focusing on the worst of the worst and having to make those types of decisions
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on whether or not we can get through another year on a, on this road or that road
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and get these roads. So we are making those decisions and doing the best we can.
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Um the other one of the other major areas I want to look at is under our blading
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operations, which also includes based stabilization, gravel spot patching, gravel
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replacement, gravel, road safety improvements and that represents um
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1,875,000 dollars in there. If you add all of those up.
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Now, I'm gonna tell you The # one service requests that we get into our office is
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gravel roads and this is an area here that if we have a bad winter, like they're
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predicting it's not just snow and ice removal that will bank, that could put us in
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financial jeopardy. It's getting our gravel roads back in order after the snow is
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gone. So this is an area here that can absolutely um, blow our blow our budget, which
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puts us in a position where we're having to look at what don't we do. And so I just
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feel it's important to point these specific areas Out, you know? And right now we
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just have 385,000 for kind of our snow and ice control. If you guys,
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mm hmm. And if I move too fast, you guys just let me know. I know, tim's pretty darn
[38:25]
good over there getting down. But I'm looking at all those activities which is sanding,
[38:30]
snowplowing, anti icing, de icing And spring cleanup. And that's where we go out
[38:35]
and we'll sweep the roads and stuff that have any sort of residual sand on them and
[38:40]
stuff like that. That's 385,000 with a bad winter that could go up
[38:47]
5 : 500,000, 750,000. Even as high as $1 million. And so
[38:56]
I'm just kind of pointing out these things what the preservation is important. We
[39:00]
need to do the preservation, but we do have these other budget items, the we don't
[39:06]
have a choice. We cannot let our gravel roads fall apart. Those gravel roads are
[39:11]
still the life link for a majority of our of our farming community out there. And
[39:18]
when they call us we jump, I mean, we don't hopefully any of the commissioners can
[39:24]
vouch when they give me a call or they talk to craig about a gravel road. We're out
[39:27]
there immediately looking at it and trying to get it back up in order for for the
[39:34]
particular farmer haulers that are out there. So, and if I might add to that, your
[39:39]
price of gravel, what line item is that? Because it's going up? Yeah, it's typically,
[39:45]
Yeah. And that's another thing, it's right now, it's all of our all of our costs
[39:49]
that you see here on activities, includes labor, materials, and equipment and so
[39:55]
you can see major increases as uh and I appreciate you saying that. Mr. Chairman,
[40:01]
is that materials costs going up, can raise that as well as equipment cost could
[40:08]
go up. Um Usually not this year, but they, you know, because we lock in our rental
[40:16]
rates, but certainly any increases this year. We do make those adjustments for the
[40:21]
following year. If we have any gains or losses in in in revenue as it pertains strictly
[40:28]
to the um the rental rates and the collection of those rental rates. So it does,
[40:33]
it has an effect on every aspect. And so when we see increases, its it's all three
[40:38]
of those areas, it's labor, its materials and its equipment, um kind of the last
[40:45]
area that I'd like to .2 is our capital expenditures, which are the 595.
[41:00]
Um, the total the total for capital expenditures and expenses expenditures. Um which
[41:05]
is, I'm looking specifically at the 595, we have
[41:10]
$1,597,200. I do want to point out That revenue in
[41:18]
federal funds to offset these costs is is
[41:22]
1,000,000, That's a difference of
[41:29]
$255,466, which represents the county's match or portion of the cost for building
[41:36]
these projects. If we see the inflation that we all are predicting or that we're
[41:42]
seeing now and it continues to, to get worse. You know, we could see
[41:49]
25-50% increases in construction costs alone. And, And so that that that could be
[41:56]
an increase to that number of 65,000 up to 128,000. And it could even be higher.
[42:03]
I hope not. But You know, I think conservative 25-50% increase. Well that
[42:10]
that needs to be incurred by us, we always go back to the funding agencies and see
[42:18]
if we can get more money, but that's not always, you know, going to happen. And so
[42:26]
once we get the funding, we're kind of on the clock when it comes to federal funding,
[42:31]
there's timelines and deadlines that we have to meet in one of them is construction
[42:35]
and if we get to a point where we don't fund construction, then we end up paying
[42:39]
money back and that's what we don't want to do. So when we commit, when we put money
[42:47]
in, we put in our applications and we get the funding and then we start obligating
[42:52]
these funds were we kind of need to keep going or else like I said, we get positions
[42:56]
pay back. So I'm just letting the board know that if we see those increases, especially
[43:03]
in which I believe we are going to, I mean, I'm just looking around around me and
[43:08]
everything I do is costing me more and I know it's costing everybody in here more.
[43:13]
Um, we're gonna, we move forward with these projects that's going to impact the
[43:20]
budget, which means we're going to have to cut back in some of some other areas and
[43:26]
we hope we hope that those and they can't be in our blading operations as we went
[43:32]
through because that we we are out there and we're trying to be proactive but
[43:40]
a lot of times were being reactive and, and so we gravel roads are just something
[43:46]
we can't, we can't put off, so as all of this kind of plays in together. One thing
[43:52]
I I would say is we don't spend money, we don't have in the county road funds. So
[43:59]
we're relying on the revenues that we get and we, so there may be a time as we move
[44:06]
forward, we may be coming back to the board and going, what what don't you want us
[44:10]
to do? Like we like we did previously where we had a year where we didn't do any
[44:15]
of our um, you know, soil stabilization, which is the putting down the magnesium
[44:23]
chloride and stuff. And so there's elements like that. Another one is vegetation
[44:28]
control. You know, that's that's a huge 12. And and we're just at a point now
[44:35]
where it's, what do we do? Do we do the minimum meaning just make sure our roads
[44:44]
are safe from a sight distance standpoint and maintain and deal with just noxious
[44:50]
weeds. I'd like to say that might work, but it doesn't work for us because it just
[44:57]
creates even more maintenance problems when we have weeds growing in that area that
[45:02]
we call kind of that 6 to 10 ft from the shoulder of our road where we go out and
[45:07]
and we do shoulder work and all that having weeds in that area. I think the board
[45:13]
members commissioners kid could all point to going out there and seeing piles of
[45:19]
weeds in our ditches where we've gone out there and done some of that work and it's
[45:22]
unsightly and it's ugly and it doesn't do anything and that's why we try to keep
[45:26]
those. So that's an area there that if we cut that out has an impact on our other
[45:33]
operations and raises the cost and, and certainly the aesthetics of the work that
[45:38]
we're doing and so those are the major components I wanted to talk about in the,
[45:44]
in the county road fund. Um, I appreciate your indulgence. I know I can be long winded.
[45:51]
Um, but we just love to answer any further questions that any of the board members
[45:57]
have
[45:59]
questions.
[46:03]
I don't have any questions. It's just, it's,
[46:08]
it's discouraging to see that the lack of funds for our roads and then to see the
[46:13]
money that is spent on the Ben franklin Transit. Um, it doesn't matter how good your
[46:21]
busses look if there's not roads to put them on and after sitting in their meeting
[46:27]
yesterday one to spend another $300 just to put vinyl graphics on their busses, it
[46:32]
seems kind of
[46:36]
discussing when you see that the amount of money that we're missing for our roads
[46:40]
and yet they spend money like, like it's no big deal. One question
[46:48]
I have matt is on your 595 funds. How many of those are matching funds or if we don't
[46:55]
have the money in the account, we don't get to do the project.
[47:01]
I think when I'm looking at the revenue the, the safety money that we
[47:09]
get, which I believe is the recipe Typically that's 100%. Yeah, yeah.
[47:18]
We have a specific window to get the project constructed right, okay.
[47:26]
They'll be 100%. Yeah. You know, cost overruns strength.
[47:33]
Okay. We exceed that then. I think it's typically the county has,
[47:40]
I think there's Mhm. But isn't there some, I've heard in the past meetings where
[47:46]
we got to have funds available to match in order to get the product. Yeah. So of
[47:52]
those, if I'm right there looking at the, if you want to go, can we go back to the
[47:57]
revenue side? And I'm looking specifically specifically at the what's our 333 to
[48:04]
0 to 30, which is in there. It shows it as federal hazard elimination program. That
[48:12]
program is kind of changed and it's now zip. Um but we have
[48:18]
564521. So Of the $1.3 million
[48:25]
100%.
[48:33]
There is no match good. But the other 800,000 dollars
[48:40]
requires In most cases with federal dollars like a 13.3 3% match.
[48:48]
And so this kind of, when you look at this, this is kind of a down year from a construction
[48:55]
standpoint for us because federal funding and state funding or calls for projects
[49:02]
or on a biennial basis. And so this is kind of that off here and then there submitting
[49:07]
we'll get we're getting calls for projects and so you'll kind of see this where one
[49:12]
year, maybe a high year like this year is a much higher year for construction than
[49:17]
2020. Um that we're showing here but I said approximately
[49:25]
$800,000 requires that match. And and if we were showing rap funding in here which
[49:33]
is through through state funding, that's funding that's actually comes from the uh
[49:39]
from that state motor vehicle fund that I was talking about. Some rural rural arterial
[49:45]
preservation program that's managed by the county road administration board. That's
[49:49]
a 20% match. That's an 80 20. So what we try to do on our projects is we try to leverage
[49:57]
wrap funds against the federal dollars that we get and kind of combine in Pasco call
[50:03]
Otis. The project that's going on now is a fine example of that where we're leveraging
[50:08]
the rap funds as as part of the county's match for the federal funds to some degree.
[50:15]
Now there is still some county costs incurred but that's because of the overall cost
[50:21]
of the project um compared to the funding that was available and given to the county.
[50:27]
So.
[50:30]
Okay. Yeah. My my budget sheet showing that We're not anticipating any funds from
[50:36]
the in the rap program in 2022. That's correct. Okay. If we if we see any fun it
[50:42]
would be, it would be in the next year that I think they're just having a call for
[50:46]
projects. Yeah, wow. Yeah, finalized.
[50:55]
Right. Again, it's my talk of this revenue. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Mhm
[51:04]
goes out first. Yeah.
[51:09]
A struggle. So, but we're just, we're in a 20. Unfortunately, I think 23 or 22 is
[51:17]
going to be a, a bit of a law and construction, but this is kind of natural cycle
[51:22]
that lets us kind of Gear up for 23, which we're anticipating to be pretty active
[51:28]
here construction wise and 24 as well because we have several bridges that we're
[51:35]
looking to to reconstruct over that and a couple of road projects plus some other
[51:41]
stuff that funds are outstanding for. If we get will be percent those very hard to,
[51:47]
we just don't know how those Turn out. So it could be a very busy 23 and 24
[51:55]
I think you mentioned earlier that we have about 1000 miles of County Road roughly.
[51:59]
It's a little less than that. But can you counting all the subdivisions, the stuff
[52:04]
we take in, it kind of fluctuates, can you tell me what percentage is paid versus
[52:09]
which is 50% 40%. Mm This may be a question for tom or Tim as
[52:17]
well, aren't we required to do an assessment of our infrastructure for our financial
[52:24]
statements.
[52:27]
Mhm. There is a note where we have to report um we're still using a model that we
[52:34]
received from the public works that Since the uh, what Tim, since we have a dry desert
[52:41]
environment, they put it like on a 40-year plan or something. But you're right. There
[52:45]
is some sort of standards that we have to report on. You. Do you know if that's showing
[52:49]
that the condition of our infrastructure is depreciating more rapidly than we're
[52:54]
replacing it or it most definitely is okay Because it's what, $6 or $7 million dollars
[53:01]
here. And I think in depreciation, but we're only adding probably not even half that
[53:06]
a lot of years. So we're also wondering too, if the relief funds could be used for
[53:11]
any infrastructure or on the new infrastructure Bill that they're trying to put into
[53:16]
Congress right now, 3.5 trillion or whatever is going to be. Uh, would that go to
[53:21]
any of our road projects? Certainly the infrastructure bill, if it gets approved,
[53:28]
we had hoped clear back in May or june that they would be making more, but that's
[53:33]
kind of making more progress. But that's really tight. I don't want us national politics
[53:39]
right now, so I don't know how soon that's going to get done or what it's gonna look
[53:43]
like when it gets them. But infrastructure obviously is a big piece of that. Ah,
[53:49]
I would expect that we would be able to see some of that in the state of Washington,
[53:53]
how how far that flows down to local governments. I don't know yet. Obviously there's
[53:58]
a lot still to be excited. But your question about the recovery act is a good one
[54:02]
as well. There are some opportunities to use some of our Recovery act funds for infrastructure
[54:07]
projects. one thing I'd like to maybe add on the funding side of it so
[54:15]
that our commissioners are aware and they can have these conversations with the state
[54:19]
reps is you know, when federal dollars, when federal dollars, transportation dollars
[54:25]
come to our state, they're funneled through the state of Washington. The D. O. T.
[54:29]
They have a local programs branch, they kind of provide oversight of all the local
[54:34]
agencies and what's interesting is the state doesn't use any of that federal money.
[54:40]
They offset what they provide to the locals in motor vehicle fuel tax and other resources.
[54:48]
They all set that and they give the counties and the cities and other jurisdictions,
[54:56]
um those federal dollars so they don't have to deal with the federal requirements
[55:01]
and we do. And I'm just saying that's pennies on the dollar when we do, when we use
[55:08]
federal dollars to do a project, it costs us more than if we did a project
[55:16]
using local or state dollars. And there's been a push for a long time through
[55:23]
Wasatch. The Washington State Association of County Engineers and others to get the
[55:27]
state to use the federal dollars, let them deal with the federal requirements and
[55:34]
guidelines and then give us more of the gas tax revenue. I say it because it
[55:41]
really does cost us more to do a project. Every agency in the state of Washington
[55:49]
has their hands in that pot. When we do a project you have D. H. P. Which is
[55:57]
the Department of Archaeological and Historical Preservation. Every state agency
[56:02]
wants a piece of that money. And it's something that I'm passionate about because
[56:08]
it's upsetting to me that this money is designed in to basically you know build
[56:16]
infrastructure and rebuild infrastructure. Yet a lot of it goes out to these other
[56:21]
agencies who have been given regulatory authority. So when example D. H. P.
[56:29]
We have to consult with them and I guarantee you it does not matter what the project
[56:36]
where it's at. They will send a nice little letter back saying we look forward to
[56:42]
seeing your cultural resource study. It doesn't matter. And so right
[56:50]
there alone we end up paying what are those running $30 $30,000 or whatever.
[56:58]
Right 75. I imagine you're facing the same thing with the fish.
[57:06]
Yeah. Yeah I can share stories of my uh my dealings with state and federal fish and
[57:14]
wildlife biologists. I've had some interesting meetings with with all of them from
[57:21]
the from us transplanting sage brush on a project to us having to go out and
[57:29]
shock a waste way because they thought fish were in it. So yeah I've got some interesting
[57:37]
stories but the main thing is is those costs those costs money and it depletes the
[57:44]
amount of federal funds that we get to actually build the roads. And my point is
[57:51]
this is I think it would be advantageous for us to really continue that push to get
[57:56]
the state to use these federal dollars and whatever they get from the feds, they
[58:02]
shift an equal amount in motor vehicle fuel tax to the local agencies so we can build
[58:08]
the roads to our standards to what are people want will still follow state
[58:15]
law and local laws as it pertains to sePA and all of that. But at least it gives
[58:22]
us an opportunity to get these other hands out of there, which raised the cost of
[58:26]
the project. So that's my I hope I'm not being too political. But it's just what
[58:34]
I've seen through my career here at the county. It's frustrating and it's getting
[58:38]
worse. The the amount of pressure that's put on our staff, from accounting all the
[58:45]
way down to project management, down to even us with inspectors. I mean, you've had
[58:50]
conversations about that with us having inspectors out on jobs. Those are requirements
[58:55]
from the federal government. We have to do even little things like asking every every
[59:01]
contractor shows up, asking employees what they what they get paid to. You know,
[59:06]
were they turn us into the policing agency for F. H. W. A. And the state to make
[59:13]
sure that contractors are paying their people prevailing wage. And so it's frustrating.
[59:19]
It's getting worse and and I'll tell you what we're having. Uh we got
[59:27]
just like a lot of people, we've got a lot a lot of individuals, including myself
[59:31]
have been with franklin County a long time. It's a lot of a lot of information and
[59:36]
history that we carry with us and the way things change on an annual
[59:44]
basis with the laws and guidelines as it pertains to federal funds. I don't know
[59:51]
that anybody could even catch up and know everything. And luckily we got people in
[59:57]
our office that do and they stay up on everything and all that. I'll tell you what
[1:00:03]
it's, it's a ugly nest to try to weed through to figure out if you're meeting
[1:00:10]
all the federal requirements. And so even internally it costs us more money, not
[1:00:15]
just these other hands reaching out trying to get as much out of these federal projects
[1:00:21]
as they can. It's also a lot of extra cost to the US and our cost
[1:00:29]
and resources, which is manpower time and all that. It's frustrating to me and it
[1:00:36]
gets more frustrating and I apologize for for putting up my frustrations on full
[1:00:42]
display here in a public meeting. But it's something that I think it's important
[1:00:48]
for the board members to know and they can, you know, if they feel prompted, they
[1:00:53]
can talk to our state legislatures to try to try to keep that moving in that direction
[1:00:59]
because there's a reason the state doesn't want to use federal dollars. They don't
[1:01:03]
want to follow their guidelines. They want to be able to do things the way they want
[1:01:07]
to do them. So that's all I have on that. Sorry. Well, I appreciate
[1:01:15]
your honesty. So thank you.
[1:01:21]
Is there any other questions for the public works? County roads, if not, we'll
[1:01:29]
move down to public works motor vehicle miscellaneous funds.
[1:01:39]
All right, Just quickly. The motor vehicle fund is an internal services fund. It's
[1:01:44]
a fun that's required by statute. Um, so what it does is it provides services
[1:01:52]
not designed necessarily to to profit or lose. It's designed to break even although
[1:02:00]
there is a, in the rental rate structure, there is a replacement portion of it. And
[1:02:06]
we talked about that before that. Um, the, you know, a pretty good portion of
[1:02:14]
what we charge in rental rates is for the future replacement of the equipment with
[1:02:20]
some inflationary numbers and and all that. So that said, it's also a fund that
[1:02:28]
was designed to support county roads in the, in in respect to being able to purchase
[1:02:36]
and hold um certain items in inventory until the county road fund needs. It. County
[1:02:43]
Road Fund is designed to charge everything out to a specific activity and, and where
[1:02:50]
that those resources are used at. And that's down to the road level. The asset level
[1:02:56]
is what we call it. And so what you see there is when you see uh, going down where
[1:03:02]
we have cells of road materials like rock and gravel cells of sand. Those are the
[1:03:08]
types of items that motor vehicle can purchase based on the needs of the county road
[1:03:16]
fund. And then the county road fund gets built when they use it and it actually gets
[1:03:19]
put out on on an asset or a road. So um it's a pretty unique fun.
[1:03:27]
But you know, it it's very good from that standpoint. It
[1:03:34]
it makes the accounting for the County Road fund easier to manage and it gives us
[1:03:41]
a better controls over those products from, from an inventory management standpoint.
[1:03:48]
So other than that, you know, we are shop the the shop of course maintains
[1:03:56]
the fleet of vehicles that are owned by the fund. It also assist in the maintenance
[1:04:01]
of of other vehicles that are owned by other funds like the county Sheriff's Fund.
[1:04:07]
We also um work with some some other funds that are out there. We've done some repair
[1:04:15]
work for say like the wheat board and the past board and stuff like that. So um we
[1:04:21]
do have the ability to provide those services with with the building capacity to
[1:04:27]
receive those. And so that's what you kind of see and they're the main, the main
[1:04:32]
numbers that you see are the is the rent and lease is revenue, which is short term
[1:04:40]
and long term And we have approximately 1.7 million or one million
[1:04:46]
664,000 for short term. And what short term means in this respect is that's when
[1:04:52]
that is really pertains to, how we, how we build and those are typically short term
[1:04:58]
is typically when we're building based on an hourly rate and we're and we're building
[1:05:04]
based on every hour that vehicle or piece of equipment is used and the County Road
[1:05:10]
Fund tracks that time. So when our guys go out and they're driving a truck and it's
[1:05:15]
got sand on it and they're out, not only are they tracking that they were placing
[1:05:21]
sand on specific roads, but they're also putting how much sand and what equipment
[1:05:26]
they use. So we're actually charging these out to all the way down to the asset level.
[1:05:31]
So it's not just our county road department charging these things out to the sanding
[1:05:39]
activity, it actually goes down. So we know what roads they went on. So, so the
[1:05:47]
short term pertains to mainly the county Road Fund who tracks their usage of equipment
[1:05:54]
and vehicles on an hourly basis. The long term refers to those, those that use the
[1:06:02]
fleet vehicles and the R. And R. Fund and we build out either on a monthly or annual
[1:06:07]
basis. So that's really the differential between short term and long term, it's hourly
[1:06:12]
versus monthly or annual buildings
[1:06:19]
and and if you want to, I haven't done it for here. But what I do to kind of help
[1:06:26]
me understand and make sure that our shop is operating at a good level as I look
[1:06:33]
at those numbers specifically, and then on the expenditure side I look at the operational
[1:06:38]
costs Which are mainly broke down in the 54860s. And so you can kind of add
[1:06:46]
some of those numbers up and do a direct comparison. And we're in a good, good spot
[1:06:53]
right now, we're looking good. We're not, we're not,
[1:06:59]
it doesn't, it's certainly we're not in a position where the shop is costing us more
[1:07:03]
to maintain vehicles than what we're getting back in revenue. So we're in a pretty
[1:07:10]
good spot there. Um Other than other than that, Okay,
[1:07:18]
Probably the only other things that we should highlight for the, for the board is,
[1:07:23]
you know, when we look at our beginning fund balance are non non spendable fund balance.
[1:07:28]
Beginning that refers directly to our inventory on hand at the beginning of the year,
[1:07:35]
where are assigned fund balance beginning refers Derik directly to cash on hand.
[1:07:42]
So, and then you'll see the same thing on the expenditure side is just the reverse
[1:07:46]
of what we believe will be our ending non spendable fund balance, which is ending
[1:07:52]
inventory values and our assigned fund balance, which will be are cash carry over
[1:08:00]
from one year to the next, This is uh I'm gonna point out the fact that 106,211 is
[1:08:07]
not where we want to be. We do, we are showing quite a high number for our capital
[1:08:14]
outlays. Um But what I will tell the board is just because we are
[1:08:22]
showing A in our capital and this is not including our lease payments, but there's
[1:08:29]
1.1,370,000 of that. 106, you know, 100 and
[1:08:37]
665,589. one point approximately 1.4 of that is an acquisition and replacement of
[1:08:45]
new equipment and that's something that that we can can change throughout the year.
[1:08:52]
So if we don't have the money we won't buy something. I'm just going to reassure
[1:08:56]
the board that we manage this just like we do our home budgets, you don't have the
[1:09:02]
money, you don't spend it. And so but we do want to show it in there because that
[1:09:08]
is based on our replacement schedule. Um But I just want to reassure the board that
[1:09:15]
we don't spend what we don't have. So that number at the end of the year could be
[1:09:19]
less, which would then increase our ending fund balance going in from 2022 and 2023
[1:09:30]
without just the available answering questions. I know I moved through these fast.
[1:09:35]
But um yeah, good job. I think we're I'm already over
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time anyway, so I want to get the book, I don't have any questions at this time.
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If I if I can think of any, I'll meet with matt later. Did a good job, matt, thanks.
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And besides that, you did a great job the other night playing in the band for Kayleigh
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mcenany. Good job on that. I appreciate that. That was that was a true honor. She's
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such an incredible person, incredibly nice person to me. So, I gotta take my hat
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off to your band. You're good. Thank you. So, thank you for the presentation.
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All right, So next, we'll move down to do we want to take a break or get to keep
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going? Good. Yeah, the half of center I see. Tom's here.
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Thank you, matt. Thank you.
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Yeah,
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Good morning tom Well, mr Chairman Commissioner Alonzo, mourning this is Dina Brown.
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She's our finance slash sales manager slash everything. Welcome. Yeah,
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So go ahead whenever you're ready. So as you can see in this budget, it is um, we
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are anticipating 1.7 million in revenue that is down. We we brought that down on
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purpose. Um, we kind of base everything off of 2019, 20 was such and 21 has been
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such an anomaly. But there are a couple of larger social events that happened in
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the first quarter of the year. We pulled out of here. Just out of abundance of caution.
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We're anticipating that happening,
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but they haven't signed contracts yet. And the reason would obviously be because
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of Covid restrictions. Some of these larger groups don't feel as comfortable hosting
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those events, which is obviously not the greatest days, but
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what this has done for us. It's allowed us to pivot and we have, we had a large breakfast
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this morning. We're, we're still hosting events and they're not really slowing down
[1:12:31]
as much. We change in the way we're hosting. Um, we have, You know, we have people
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where maybe it was a one day show historically and they would have 2000 people that
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end. You may see it in 22 as a two day show and only 900 people showed up that first
[1:12:49]
day and then they sell tickets to the second day. So people are still, our phones
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are ringing, People are booking events were just having to be a little more creative
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on how we do it. So that way we can ensure that we're sanitizing the building, the
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buildings clean. That's a healthy environment for people to come into. So that's
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why we did out of abundance of caution drop are anticipated revenue down Mario I've
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spoke to the commissioner is one on one would never have a chance to see y'all that
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We are, we did write a budget with a 325,000 total subsidies. So 162,000 per county
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and city entity, which, You know, those are large numbers, but from where, where
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it was, when I started in 2015, where it is today, we have just continually reduced
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it. And that's good news and we think there's obviously still more room and what,
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What we anticipate doing, 22 could be a banner year. And the reason that is, is not
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so much me are my staff. We have a lot of events that rotate that will come back
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every year. They do one year in tri cities when you're in Boise, one year in Seattle.
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So there and so 22 were in the barrel for a couple of those larger events that we
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host. Um, so that's, that's the revenue. I typically don't go line by line on
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these. They're pretty self evident. But if there's any questions on the revenue,
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be more than happy to answer that before I get to the expense. I have no questions.
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Any questions on the revenue, no,
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on the, on our expenses. If you'll notice that our salaries are,
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there is a large reduction in salaries. Um, This is something that I've been slowly
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working on since 2015 July of 2015 whenever I showed up and took over this position.
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And as not to sound insensitive. I, the covid shutdown did
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give me an opening, um, to get to get the wages where I wanted them to be. And quite
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honestly, I got rid of a lot of wages over the years and I was very hesitant to take
[1:15:16]
it much further because of just, I didn't know what would happen if I did it, would
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it have been Because a lot of times, you know, we average about 270, You stays. I
[1:15:27]
pull those people out and I think we can do something that we can and then we can't
[1:15:31]
service the contracts that we have. So um, that's why you see the large reduction
[1:15:38]
in salaries, they're not coming back there. Maybe the position Susan used to hold
[1:15:44]
that may have to come back at some point because that entry and disputing compliance
[1:15:48]
with the state auditor can get quite overwhelming. Um, for a sales managers, last
[1:15:53]
finance managers last year, editor slash facilities operator. Um, so that that's
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the position that we, we might come back, but that's obviously leading the charge
[1:16:04]
on our, on our expense reduction, which is something that I'm happy to see is unfortunate
[1:16:09]
because that means people are no longer employed there, but it needed to happen.
[1:16:12]
It was good for the business, it was healthy for the business. Um If we go to line,
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I hope my lines are never the same as yours, but 47 06 this is electricity, natural
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gas, water sewer, Just real quick. If you add those three lines up, that's $217,000,
[1:16:29]
that's the utilities of the building. Um, the subsidy that we plan on posting this
[1:16:36]
year is obviously going to be, if everything as long as nothing jumps up, that's
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unforeseeable will be much less than what this budget calls for This drives directly
[1:16:45]
to the energy audit that we are in the middle, of we have a meeting with the city
[1:16:49]
on November 4 to discuss some funding options with the city regarding that audit
[1:16:56]
this right here. If you look at all of my expenses, a lot of my expenses are on expenses
[1:17:02]
but they get reimbursed back to us but we still have to show them as an expense because
[1:17:06]
we physically pay a bill attached to that expense but we will bring in revenue to
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offset that line these these lines right here, the equipment of the building is original
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to the building um
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it's old. It's hard to replace, its hard to repair and if you look down just a few
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lines to 48 24 maintenance agreements at almost $60,000.
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That's high. That's very high for just put that in context of our building, the lights,
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we still have fluorescent lights in the parking lot that are run off balance. That's
[1:17:49]
very expensive to have a maintenance contract on because when the balance goes out
[1:17:53]
it's requiring a snorkel lift and a lot of, a lot of man hours to just replace the
[1:17:59]
balance to replace the light bulb. I know there's gonna be a price tag attached to
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this energy audit that nobody likes to spend money but I believe that made up a great
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thing a few minutes ago, Penny's not spent today equals millions of dollars later.
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This system has never been upgraded ever. Um, We're still running off our R22 on
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our cooling cooling system just to get that if we lose any, it's very expensive and
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that's not, that's not under any of the maintenance agreements because my experience
[1:18:32]
don't cover that. So that's a direct cost to us if that was to happen. Um, So this
[1:18:39]
just to put it in context of what we're talking about the money we spend and the
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subsidy of what the city and the county pay as far operating costs. A large portion
[1:18:49]
of that goes to the utilities. We will be back. I'm not exactly sure. I don't want
[1:18:55]
to give you a date talking about energy audits and upgrading some of these old systems
[1:18:59]
in the building
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and hopefully we're able to come back with good funding source for that, but it's,
[1:19:06]
it's needed that those are large expenses that could be diverted obviously never
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gonna go away. We're still have lights are gonna get turned on and air is going to
[1:19:15]
run and but there's no reason for it to be that expensive that the demand charges
[1:19:21]
alone that we, that we are on the hook for every time we turn a light on our turn
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their condition on is unbelievable that something that we can't really account for
[1:19:31]
it because we don't know exactly yet. I haven't seen the data, but McCann story on
[1:19:35]
what we can anticipate. Just the reduction of demand charges? I know we can anticipate
[1:19:40]
a 30% reduction in our energy cost and demand charges are separate from that. My
[1:19:46]
understanding of,
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so look forward to be able to bring that to the board and make this picture look
[1:19:53]
even even better. Um, and of course I'm looking through the lens and so on this there
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every day. It's my job. I'm very proud of the Apple center and what we've done. I
[1:20:00]
know there's a lot of people to believe, I personally believe disinformation, they
[1:20:05]
don't quite understand what happens there or how it happens. So you get a lot of
[1:20:10]
just I think, and this is what someone told me last week type information out there,
[1:20:15]
but we host a lot of events. We bring a lot of economic impact in the community.
[1:20:20]
We're currently working with a promoter. I, I don't want to say it's going to get
[1:20:25]
done. This is a big project, but if it, if it does the impact and the positive impact
[1:20:31]
it's going to bring to use sports in the community. It will rival anything in eastern
[1:20:36]
Washington. Um, so hopefully that will be some news I can bring to the board soon.
[1:20:42]
I just want to get too far out over my skis in case that wasn't, um, to happen, but
[1:20:48]
it would involve the arena and how the arena is used on almost a year round basis
[1:20:53]
and really, really be positive for the community for the county, for the city and
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for the Apple Center.
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Do you have anything in your budget here? As far as regarding the parking lot? The
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parking lot?
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Oh no. That's typically something I put in my capital budget. I didn't, there's not
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a capital budget request that has been submitted because that's gonna be addressed
[1:21:25]
through the energy audit. I didn't see the point of this redundancy and taking your
[1:21:28]
guys time up more paper. Um The parking lot has not. So what we have done is part
[1:21:35]
of the pricing that the board approved.
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I can't remember what it is, but the, the covid kind of fouled up how this is going
[1:21:43]
to work. We charge a dollar per ticket sold on ticketed events and that money was
[1:21:48]
going to directly go to help offset parking lot repairs And you know, some reason
[1:21:55]
every time I go on a diet lettuce gets played with e. Coli, it seems like you have
[1:21:59]
to go back to an ice cream and hamburgers. But as soon as we do that, we start trying
[1:22:02]
to generate revenue specifically for the parking lot. We slow down due to covid.
[1:22:08]
So we, we have a plan in place to try to maintain that parking lot outside of saying
[1:22:14]
we need an additional part of money for it. Okay. And that's something that would
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normally, it has been on my capital budget request in the years past. I just, I didn't
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submit one because they're all everything except for the parking lot surface will
[1:22:28]
be addressed in the, in the energy. Okay. Thank you. And that's the question I have
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to was that I remember meeting with you and the guy for the phone. I know you have
[1:22:40]
a hard time hearing. So let me get the mic here. It's the microphone. I can't hear
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you. Okay, so back up. Is that better? Okay. So I remember meeting with you and the
[1:22:50]
guy for the phone for the old marina, uh was is that gonna be included too in in
[1:22:56]
capital improvements? That will be included in the energy audit. Um and part of the
[1:23:02]
wrong pricing to uh insulate the arena. What did he come up with a bid? He didn't
[1:23:09]
submit it to us because we went into agreement with McKinstry and had to go to McKinstry
[1:23:13]
and I can't think of Alyssa's title um but it didn't come directly to us. I so I
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haven't seen that yet but we we will be seeing those numbers here very soon. Okay.
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All right. I have no more questions.
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Any other questions. Okay, so we'll move down to the RV MR chairman if it's okay.
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I was gonna set here with Susan. She never she never been through a budget hearing
[1:23:43]
before. I was going to a sister. Okay. Absolutely. For the RV park.
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Yes. Okay, good morning, Good morning. So that
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please speak closely to the microphone to recording. I was just unsure of what kind
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of questions you talk about. The revenue kind of explains itself.
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So our revenues perhaps $2,300,000 a year, which is very minute to these other
[1:24:29]
budgets. But are my expense expenses is like 123 so
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we make money, we subsidize the happy oh center 90,000. I don't anticipate any
[1:24:44]
major um, expenses coming up. Um, I think I've tried to go
[1:24:52]
into it with, where are we spending money and how can I save money? So there's some
[1:24:58]
benefits that we offer the residents at the park like, like
[1:25:07]
cable and just anyways, different things. The other thing that we have done is like
[1:25:13]
the electrical before I came our expense was 100% and now we've introduced
[1:25:21]
a percentage. We, we? Re evaluated each electrical bill and figured out how much
[1:25:27]
we will, you and Our expenses and we're recouping that. So, so far just this year
[1:25:34]
since March, every coop, um, $6,000 just for that and next year it'll be a lot more.
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Probably Probably 90%. Yes. The rent, we increase the rent by $50.
[1:25:48]
So that's going to bring in more revenue. Um, this year There's so many people out
[1:25:54]
there are being that I reduced our expenses by $5,000 for the marketing Because in
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the years past he spent 5000 these magazines are read magazines, good SAM, things
[1:26:08]
like that. So we're not gonna stand that because I just have people, I have a waiting
[1:26:12]
list of people coming in. I would, you don't need to advertise, I would expand the
[1:26:18]
RV park if it was up to me. Um
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um the price for the RV, we're kind of on the lower end because the
[1:26:30]
other RV parks in the area, they have summer rates and they have winter rates and
[1:26:35]
there are more than what I'm charging. So don't we have to be, have to be in line
[1:26:42]
with those. We uh we have kind of adopted a policy to try to be on the upper and
[1:26:48]
as much as we can to avoid unfair competition with the private sector who doesn't
[1:26:55]
have some of the or we get a benefit that they do not have. However, as we have continued
[1:27:02]
to escalate the price. Uh she just mentioned, our beers have gone through the roof
[1:27:08]
in the last since Covid and has generated a weighting less than and the other parks
[1:27:14]
have just increased the rates because great for an RV park space. So universally
[1:27:19]
across the Western United States in particular have gone up exponentially. Well,
[1:27:23]
what I'm hearing though, it's not just all our beers, you've got people that are
[1:27:29]
that are using this opportunity to sell their house here in the tri cities for a
[1:27:33]
lot of money and then they buy an RV and they're residing in it until they can see
[1:27:39]
what they're moving on. They're going to florida, they're going everywhere. I have
[1:27:42]
all kinds of Yes, so I don't know keith, what do you think? Do you think they should
[1:27:47]
be looking at raising their rates and stay competitive? We we are trying to do that.
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I think Susan would vouch for this that we have a pretty good relationship with the
[1:27:56]
local RV parks. We share information, we refer people to them if we are full and
[1:28:02]
they have vacancies we encourage people to to go there. I don't think that they view
[1:28:09]
us as a a major competitor. We have que away which is probably the closest and
[1:28:16]
most like our RV park but they have so many more spaces than we do. Many more amenities
[1:28:23]
than we do. Uh huh. It's a little bit of a different clientele that we serve but
[1:28:30]
a six month limit on. Yeah we no longer have anybody over a six month contract, correct.
[1:28:40]
So I think you know Susan won't tell you this herself but I will brag on her a little
[1:28:46]
bit of some of the managerial things that have changed over there have really improved
[1:28:51]
relationships with the tenants as well as the other local RV parks. She's done a
[1:28:57]
great amount of work solving some really long term perpetual problems. We've had
[1:29:02]
tree roots for example that we're growing up out of the ground created a tripping
[1:29:06]
hazard. A real significant problem with rust continuing to show up in the water supply
[1:29:14]
because we're kind of at the end of the line in the city's water delivery system.
[1:29:18]
And so we've had to engineer some plumbing that Susan's put together to save us some
[1:29:26]
money in fixing that problem. But also making sure that we're delivering a better
[1:29:30]
quality service to our customers there.
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Good job, go in every day and try half the battle. But you have any questions?
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A questions mr Malone. So you talked about the electricity,
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Do you pay, does the tenant pay a percentage or they just have all the electricity
[1:29:56]
they can use each each site when they move in. We check it when they leave. Um It's
[1:30:03]
just it's always been that way but they were never charged enough. So like the city
[1:30:10]
of our bill was 27 3 or whatever and we were getting like .1
[1:30:18]
so it was costing this money so now where it's an even even wash. So
[1:30:27]
I would just like to illiterate the part that I think if whatever rates are we should
[1:30:32]
be at the higher end we should. Um And I guess I don't like the idea of competing
[1:30:38]
against local businesses. So if anything we should set the rate has been a little
[1:30:45]
bit on the higher end. When I checked it at the beginning of the air, we were in
[1:30:50]
good competition. It was pretty even and then these other parts have just increased
[1:30:56]
their rates right? That's what I'm saying that if we're on the higher end of what
[1:31:01]
the rate is, gives the local business is a chance to adjust their rates to
[1:31:09]
maybe be a little bit less than what we are, that we were not unfairly competing
[1:31:15]
against them. That's just my thought. I mean, I've owned businesses where, Oh, I've
[1:31:21]
had to compete against local government agencies, let's say. And
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As a private business owner, you're the one bringing forth all of your own funds
[1:31:35]
to compete against what appears to be competing against someone with unlimited funds.
[1:31:41]
And I've had them come down and they said, well, competition is great. You know,
[1:31:45]
and I'm like, well, it's kind of unfair competition. This is my money. And you're
[1:31:53]
using local government money to fund your competition to me. And so
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I just like to see that our rates are on the higher end of of what the local rates
[1:32:07]
are. So that it gives them a fair opportunity to raise theirs.
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It's my two thoughts. So, thank you. That's great. And it's consistent with what
[1:32:18]
are philosophy has been out there. Good.
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All right, well, it sounds like you're doing a great job. Thank you. Yes, thank you
[1:32:30]
for getting that liability problem off our back to. All right. So, with
[1:32:37]
that, we're moving down to the end of the agenda here. Review miscellaneous funds
[1:32:43]
or post moments if necessary. But I don't think we have any do it tom I think we're
[1:32:48]
all clear here. Well, had no postponements, I think probably using what the next
[1:32:55]
step is tom and tim and I put our heads together and mhm. Kind of bring back before
[1:33:02]
the board options. I'll certainly visit with each of you individually to, I'm gonna
[1:33:08]
get a gauge of what you think you'll support or what you think should not be supported
[1:33:14]
in terms of additional budget request. We've obviously got some really large questions
[1:33:18]
to answer regarding our labor contract and employee benefits and some issues
[1:33:26]
around inflation and those kinds of things to address.
[1:33:33]
What am I missing tim tom. I think you got that right. Usually we'll review the revenues
[1:33:39]
again because it's been a few months since the department had a chance to really
[1:33:42]
compare to prior years and this year. And then we have some spreadsheets that we've
[1:33:47]
used to basically summarize all the changes and prioritize them a list of the capitals,
[1:33:54]
the, you know, the salary increases or new positions and then bring that before the
[1:34:00]
board Once we kind of distill it down to a decision making level. Mm
[1:34:07]
Okay. So you'll be meeting with him the next couple of weeks. And then what timeline
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do you think when we um certainly
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Probably, yeah, soon as 16 November should have something pretty close to What we
[1:34:29]
think the adoption dates, 23 November so we can meet as early as you know, early
[1:34:35]
next week. Right.
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True. Thank everyone for your hard work And if there's no further business might
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just note for the record that we have scheduled an opportunity on Friday from 9 to
[1:34:51]
1130 to also do any review or miscellaneous friends. We're not gonna need that session.
[1:34:55]
So I just want to make sure that the public is aware of. We're not meeting tomorrow
[1:35:00]
to discuss the budget. Thank you, keith. So it's no further business. This meeting
[1:35:05]
is adjourned.