[0:00] I think we need more volume.

[0:02] Okay,

[0:39] that should be it.

[0:40] Okay, that sounds better. Madam Clerk.

[0:50] In accordance with the Open Public Meeting Act of the State and New Jersey,

[0:53] adequate notice of this work session regularly meeting,

[0:56] with the Franklin Township Council was made as required,

[0:59] indicating that this meeting would take place at the municipal building at 7 p.m.

[1:03] on Tuesday, September 8, 2026.

[1:06] If we could all stand for the pleasure of legions, followed by the invocation, I

[1:11] constantly say.

[1:15] A pleasure legion through the flag of the United States of America, and through the

[1:20] Republic for which it stands.

[1:22] My nation, under God, individual, liberty and justice for all.

[1:37] Let us take the next few moments of silence to eat seek in our own way, whatever sources

[1:43] of inspiration will grant us the strength and power in our thoughts and decisions to be

[1:49] for the benefit of all people at all times. Amen. Amen.

[1:58] Madam Master Clerk, please call the rule.

[2:01] Councilman and Barerson. Yes. Councilwoman Franco here. Deputy Mayor Karazzi.

[2:06] Yeah. Mayor Cramer. Yes. Councilwoman O'Neill. Yes. Councilwoman O'Neill. Councilman

[2:14] Yes.

[2:16] Councilman Wright.

[2:19] We have three commendations in proclamations tonight.

[2:22] The first, by Dr. Karazzi, a very sincere awareness month proclamation.

[3:05] Tonight is microphone night.

[3:13] Good evening, everyone.

[3:17] I am the liaison for the Advisory Board of Health.

[3:22] And so I'd like to read this proclamation for a very

[3:26] cancer awareness month. Whereas a worrying cancer is the fifth leading cause of cancer related

[3:33] death among women in the United States. And the American Cancer Society estimates that in

[3:41] 2026, approximately 21,10 women will be diagnosed with a worrying cancer and 12,450 will die from the

[3:54] these nationwide, including an estimated 650 new cases at 300 dead in New Jersey.

[4:04] And whereas a woman's lifetime, lifetime risk of being diagnosed with a worry and cancer

[4:10] is approximately one in 91.

[4:14] And her lifetime risk of dying from the disease is approximately one in 143.

[4:21] and whereas due to vague non-specific symptoms and the absence of reliable early detection

[4:29] test, the majority of the women are diagnosed at stage three or later. When the cancer

[4:38] has already spread beyond their ovaries and whereas although the five-year survival rate

[4:45] for stage one, where the incans are exceed 90%,

[4:49] only 15% of cases are diagnosed at this early stage.

[4:57] For those diagnosed in later stage,

[5:00] The five-year survival rate drops to below 30%.

[5:04] And whereas, while screening tools such as mammograms and pop tests exist for breast and cervical cancers,

[5:16] no equivalent screening tests exist for wearing cancer, make an awareness of symptoms and

[5:23] This factor is essential for early intervention and whereas increase public education, about

[5:31] wearing cancer can help save lives by promoting earlier diagnosis, support and access to

[5:39] gyneological oncology care and encourage and research funding for better detection and treatment

[5:48] options. And whereas during the month of September, the township of Franklin

[5:54] joins survivors, families, healthcare professionals, advocacy, organization, and all

[6:01] those committed to raising awareness, remembering lives lost and offering hope for

[6:07] a future with better outcomes and ultimately a cure. Now therefore, V. Alex

[6:14] Karazi deputed the mayor and filled Kramer mayor to hear about proclaim September 2020-26 as a

[6:22] worrying cancer awareness month in the Frank and Township.

[6:26] New Jersey, and encourage all residents to participate in awareness activities where

[6:34] treatment support and engage in conversation that helps save lives and support the thousands

[6:41] of families affected by this devastating disease.

[6:45] In witnessware of, I have here on to, said my hand,

[6:50] and caused the seal of the Tongchma Franklin

[6:52] to be affects this ace there of September 20, 26.

[6:58] Thank you.

[7:00] Thank you, and you're going to stay up there

[7:03] for a commendation on Ava Kulchha.

[7:07] Yes, Mr. Mayor, may I ask you to join me as well?

[7:10] We have a young lady, and I like you to be in the picture.

[7:15] Sure.

[7:17] All right. This is a nice part that I'm going to be talking about.

[7:23] You know, often we come across in the acts of generosity.

[7:29] And sometimes we see some good stuff done done by our younger folks.

[7:35] be a student or otherwise non-student.

[7:41] The couple of dinner, I sure, a week or so ago,

[7:44] I came across a fundraising, which was by one of the young ladies

[7:51] who was selling lemonade.

[7:54] And I thought that she's selling it to make some money

[7:56] to buy something for herself.

[7:59] Then a few days later, I saw a picture of her

[8:02] in front of the Franken-tonship animal shelter with a check for $175.

[8:10] I said, wow, this is incredible.

[8:12] So let me learn more about her and see if there's something that we can recognize during

[8:18] the council meeting.

[8:20] And when I talked to her mom, she said, oh, this is the third year in a row.

[8:24] She's doing it.

[8:25] So I am pleased to invite Eva and her family to please come and join me while I'm reading

[8:32] This certificate, or present in the certificate of commendation.

[8:36] So please come forward.

[8:45] If you have any discipline, you can come to.

[8:47] Any sibling, you can come to.

[8:51] Yes, friends, too.

[8:53] Sure.

[8:54] Sure.

[8:55] They're more the better.

[8:58] All right.

[9:00] So I'm just going to go ahead and read the certificate.

[9:03] Whereas Ava Golcha has for the past three years,

[9:07] created a lemonade stand in Frank and Tonship with the goal of helping animals in need.

[9:15] And whereas Eva has generously donated all of the proceeds from her lemonade stand to the

[9:21] Frank and Tonship Animal Shelter, and this year alone raised $175 through her hard work and dedication.

[9:30] And whereas Eva's deep love and care for all animals, along with her generosity and commitment

[9:37] to her community, exemplifies the very best of spread of Frank and Township.

[9:43] And whereas the mayor and Township Council of Franklin,

[9:47] and Frank and Township with the public recognized,

[9:52] and celebrated he was outstanding compassion, initiative, and generosity.

[9:58] Now, therefore, the mayor and Township Council,

[10:00] Comments of Councillor Frank and Township, some said county, New Jersey, do hereby, extend this

[10:06] certificate of commendation to Ava Golcha in hard-felt appreciation of her three years of dedicated

[10:14] service to the animals of our community. And with sincere thanks for the kindness of compassion

[10:21] she has shown to all creatures great and small.

[10:30] Usually when I present something for children, I frame it.

[10:34] The others are not frame, but this one is for me.

[10:42] So yeah.

[10:47] Well, the animal shelter is something that's close to my heart, all the money that I receive

[10:54] and anyone else who has helped me to the wedding,

[10:59] so all the money, we get $50 a wedding.

[11:02] All of that has been donated to the animal shelter.

[11:06] So I like where you're starting.

[11:08] I didn't start a year age, so you're going to get a jump

[11:13] on me, it's a very good, congratulations.

[11:25] I can go. I'll go get you back.

[11:51] Mr. Vasonello will be reading a proclamation about voting rights.

[12:00] Yes, may or was there anyone here to receive?

[12:02] Oh great.

[12:30] Okay.

[12:32] I'll read it.

[12:33] It's pretty self-explanatory.

[12:34] Do you want to come up?

[12:36] Sure.

[12:36] Come on up.

[12:39] Okay.

[12:40] It's a little long, but I think it's important here.

[12:43] Whereas, the right to vote is one of the most fundamental rights of citizenship

[12:46] and people with disabilities represent one of the largest and fastest growing blocks of

[12:50] eligible voters in the United States and whereas according to Rutgers University program

[12:55] for disability research and over 40 million Americans with disabilities were eligible eligible

[13:01] to vote as the 2024 roughly one in six eligible voters nationwide with the disability

[13:09] electric growing more than twice as fast as the electric without

[13:13] disabilities since 2020. Whereas the Americans with Disabilities Act and

[13:18] the help America Vote Act guarantee every voter would a disability the

[13:23] right to cast the private and independent ballot yet voters would

[13:27] disabilities continue the face in accessible polling places in adequate

[13:31] accommodations and other barriers to fully participate. And whereas research shows

[13:38] a voter turnout gap between people with and without disabilities narrowed to 1.5% and

[13:44] 2022 down from 4.7% and 2018 demonstrating that outreach, education and advocacy measureably

[13:53] increase the participation among voters with disabilities.

[13:57] Whereas disability voting rights week observed nationally September 14th through 18th.

[14:04] It's coming this week.

[14:05] Was founded by grassroots disability advocates and is hosted by the American Association of People with Disabilities and it's rev up campaign.

[14:15] Register, educate, vote, use your power.

[14:19] See acronym, rev up.

[14:20] To register voters, educate candidates, end the public, and build the political power of the disability community.

[14:26] And we're as ensuring full, equal, and accessible access to the ballot for residents with disabilities,

[14:33] strengthens our democracy and reflects the township of Franklin's ongoing commitment to inclusion and civic participation for all residents.

[14:42] And we're as during disability voting rights week, the township of Franklin joins disability advocates,

[14:48] self advocates, families, service providers and election officials across the nation

[14:54] and recognizing the importance of accessible, independent and private voting for every eligible.

[15:00] Now, therefore, aye, on behalf of Mayor Philip Kramer and the whole council, do hereby proclaim September 14th through September 18th, 2026 as disability voting rights

[15:14] week in the township of Franklin. And encourage all residents, employers, and election officials to support voter registration and accessibility efforts.

[15:22] to help register and educate eligible voters with disabilities and to help ensure that every voter can exercise their right to vote independently and with dignity.

[15:33] Thank you.

[15:39] And this is an ending about mail and voting or this or that or anything else.

[15:43] This is simply about anybody who comes out the vote regardless of their physical ability to get around needs to and will.

[15:51] as far as Franklin, what we can do, and advocates like yourself to make it so that they

[15:56] can go, voting that whatever day they choose, and vote the way everybody else gets

[16:02] to.

[16:04] Good evening, everyone.

[16:07] May a creamer and the council, my name is Dr. Jackie Jackson, and I come before you with the

[16:18] disability community, and I thank you for presenting this voter rights disability

[16:24] proclamation to me.

[16:26] As we all know, voting is a fundamental right for all citizens, not just for people,

[16:33] able body people, but for people with disabilities as well.

[16:37] It is a essential part of our democracy, and I really want to emphasize that, you know,

[16:44] people with disability still continue to struggle.

[16:48] Depression, disability suppression is on the rise and people with disability still struggle.

[16:53] There's not excessive enough accessible voting sites and there's not accessible parking.

[16:58] So it's very difficult for people with disability to vote even today.

[17:02] After the 36th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act on July 26th, just a few months ago,

[17:10] we still struggle in all aspects of life.

[17:13] So I'm here today on behalf of the disability community, as I said, to remind everybody that the disability vote matters.

[17:21] Our voices need to be heard, and again, I'm going to turn to the council and say that once again to emphasize that the disability vote matters, our voice matter, our voice is our power. Thank you.

[18:39] Can

[18:43] we get the podium move back?

[18:48] I think we should make Alex do it.

[18:56] I think we should make Alex do it.

[18:58] I think we should make Alex do it.

[18:59] I think we

[19:04] should make Alex do it.

[19:04] Thank you.

[19:07] As for you, you're in an endless consent open for public session.

[19:12] Without objection, we are open to public session.

[19:15] Anyone wishing to speak about anything to do with government.

[19:19] May come forward, five minutes each, no yielding of time, we'd like you to state your name and address

[19:35] and bring a solar panel with you.

[19:39] by start. Good evening, council, stand-year-old church, but to head a drive.

[19:47] I apologize I brought this oversized panel. It's kind of heavy, but it's a

[19:59] only 6.

[20:00] So it's much lighter today. Now, why am I saying it? Because share a government share a signed on September 1st, a very important bill. It's called balcony sore act bill. So it became into law on September 1st. And why is it important? Because this bill removes unnecessary red tapes for residents who cannot afford or who from other reasons.

[20:30] cannot put solar panels on the roof.

[20:33] The purpose is really equity and make energy cost lower.

[20:40] So I just want to demonstrate how easy it is.

[20:43] All that you need, and also, I have to say that the system size

[20:47] must be less than 1,500 watts.

[20:51] So solar panel plus minus, this is inverter.

[20:56] to plug one from here, one there, you cannot miss it because they are complementary.

[21:04] And this is what you plug into your power outlet.

[21:09] When sun is shining, you touch the prongs, you will not get electrocuted,

[21:14] because the micro-inverter needs to sense the great first.

[21:18] When it senses, by plugging it, it will instantly convert the DC energy

[21:25] from the solar panel into AC and it's very safe. So when you have four of these, you are maximizing

[21:33] your allowance, you don't need permit, you don't need a blessing from the utility and this

[21:41] system. I actually got this panel from a person who thought that they don't need solar panels

[21:50] and they sold it to me for $10 each.

[21:53] You can buy them four of them, the modern for about $550.

[21:59] Inverter is about $180, so for less than $800,

[22:05] you can get a $121 system.

[22:09] Annual benefit is about up to $400.

[22:13] So if you get it like this for $10,

[22:16] it pays back within first year.

[22:17] If you get new, it will pay it back in two years.

[22:21] So I'm asking you as a council to celebrate and this bill and to encourage our residents

[22:29] to install solar panels, not just on their balcony, but wherever they can, just want to

[22:36] make sure that they have some brackets and it's really great stuff and again, I want you

[22:44] to promote it and leverage environmental commission to feel more education about this program.

[22:54] Thank you.

[23:01] Anyone else wishing to speak?

[23:03] Thank you.

[23:15] Good evening.

[23:16] Linda Powell, 22 Buffet Drive.

[23:20] A couple of things I wanted to mention.

[23:22] One is to congratulate Ed Patasnik.

[23:24] He, today, was a press release about him being sworn in as the commissioner of the New Jersey

[23:32] Department of Environmental Protection.

[23:35] For those of you who don't might not know it, he is a long-term resident of Franklin.

[23:42] He was the president of the school board.

[23:45] He was the council member of any left-hand position when Governor Cheryl asked him to be the

[23:54] committee and today he became the commissioner no longer acting.

[24:01] The other thing I want to say, some of you know me because between 2016 and 2020, when

[24:09] the pandemic outbreak happened, I was at almost every council meeting talking about the

[24:22] project of William's Transco and we defeated that in 2019 and 2020 and they let

[24:31] there's certificate from the federal agencies expire in 2024 but on November

[24:40] 20th 2025 which was I believe in organization day they again applied for the same

[24:47] project, which includes a very polluting and dangerous compressor station here in Franklin

[24:53] and a pipeline under rail today, where they would direct up toxins that have been buried.

[25:00] Under the C-bed for decades now. Today, we woke up to some good news. And we had gone on July 8th, we had gone to a circuit court hearing.

[25:19] because we were basically suing the NJDP for not standing up for the water quality guidelines

[25:32] of the state and just giving you an over 20, 25 just giving it to New York's decision.

[25:44] And today, I woke up to and I'll quote this, this is from the National Resource Defense Council.

[25:54] Today, the third circuit, circuit quarter of appeals, held at the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection,

[26:01] is unjustifiably approved award equality certificate certification for the northeastern supply and enhancement or Nazi pipeline.

[26:09] The GEP has already twice rejected the project in 2019 and 2020, for its inability to comply

[26:17] with state water quality standards.

[26:20] The National Resources Defense Council, Father Lawson, November 21, 5, joined in a parallel

[26:26] suit for our partners represented by Eastern Environmental Law Center.

[26:32] The course decision today, vacated the unlawful certification, removing a key approval needed

[26:39] to build the pipeline to New Jersey State waters.

[26:43] So today was a good day.

[26:44] One of was a working with good news.

[26:48] The other thing I want to mention,

[26:51] has to do with resolution number 26, 390.

[26:55] And we mean, you know, the Franklin Township Task Force

[27:00] on NASA, you agree with accepting a settlement.

[27:03] As long as it is used to promote the health and safety

[27:06] of residents of Franklin and our neighbors.

[27:08] Thank you.

[27:27] Good evening, Mayor Cramer and Council.

[27:30] Loren de Harper, one, six, four, church, or avenue.

[27:33] Just a couple of things I wanted to point out for the record on this council meeting.

[27:37] One thing I'm happy to see public safety director here.

[27:41] I was going to address Carl with this question.

[27:44] But currently we have two speed radars on my street right now, church or avenue.

[27:49] And I just wanted to make note the one unit that is closer to an appellate street.

[27:54] is not currently working, so it needs to be charged.

[27:57] So right now it's just there for decoration.

[28:00] Also, I just wanted to ask Carl, not Carl, forlicker.

[28:06] If he could clarify what the act of ours is for the township noise ordinance.

[28:12] Okay, just the hours.

[28:14] And the main thing I'm up here for is for the next topic that you guys will discuss some of the ordinances.

[28:19] I'd like to talk about ordinance number four five one eight dash two six

[28:25] To habitat for humanity home. That's looking to be built by the Rarenton Valley chapter

[28:30] So I have some concerns about this

[28:33] I live at one six where again, and this is my neighbor at one

[28:37] 170

[28:39] They're asking the bill the home at 168 which is all about the township right now and it's currently between our two homes

[28:46] The lot is very, very small.

[28:49] So right now it's going to go to the zoning board in September

[28:53] and two weeks for a variance approval.

[28:57] So I'm totally against it as well.

[29:01] The site's suitability is just not there.

[29:03] The lot is considered too small, I think, for a house.

[29:06] Both of our lots are 100 by 1.95, 100 by 1.95.

[29:11] But the lot right now for the township is 50 by, I think, is 50 by a hundred.

[29:19] So very small.

[29:21] So I don't know how a house can fit there is a one room house.

[29:25] I'm not sure a driveway, I don't see it.

[29:29] So also the environmental and infrastructure impact, removing the trees in between us.

[29:35] How I know, I had trees removed to the right of my home a couple years ago to make a

[29:40] for the church next to me, and my backyard flooded for three years, and I had to

[29:45] harass Bob, Department of Public Works, and this council, in order for that to

[29:50] be remediated, and it took three years to do that. So I looked with my backyard

[29:53] flooding for three years. Also, there's no parking for this this home. So that means...

[30:00] So they're going to park in front of my house and front of his house. And I just don't see it happening. And there's no privacy anymore for us. So safety is an issue as well. And I'll dress that to public safety director as well.

[30:16] That, where they want this house to be built, it's right and directly in front of Wheeler

[30:21] place to corner that's very heavy to traffic for basketball park.

[30:26] There's cars that speed around that corner consistently, and I've seen cars blow by that

[30:32] stop sign.

[30:32] You may have seen it all the time, and they go right into that lot.

[30:36] So I would hate to see a home there with children or family living in that situation.

[30:41] So, another thing I just don't understand there is already a utility pole right smack in the middle of that lot.

[30:49] The fire hydrant is to left of that. The light is always out of the corner.

[30:55] And I just, I don't see it. So, the question remains, we already have two homes habitat for humanity on our street, why third.

[31:06] So I'm just thinking, is there a ward equity?

[31:08] Are there any other habitat for humanity, homes being built,

[31:11] and other wards?

[31:12] Because it just seems like it's on our street.

[31:14] Because we're already overcrowded.

[31:15] We have the food bank.

[31:17] We have two churches.

[31:18] We have a mosque being built.

[31:21] And they have no parking whatsoever right now.

[31:24] So we have to snake in and out of our street every day just to get by.

[31:28] Because there's so many families with multiple cars.

[31:32] And the two, the habitat freemanity home that's closer to him and his direct neighbor, they have about seven cars in their driveway and where do they park in front of his house and front of my neighbor's house?

[31:44] They don't even cut the grass anymore because there is cars parked under a lot.

[31:49] So I just want to bring up those issues. Hopefully I can

[31:55] I have nothing against having to attend for you, but I think it's a great organization, but I just don't think that whole belongs between you and I.

[32:08] Okay, so thank you. Those are my questions.

[32:14] Thank you. Anyone else who should speak?

[32:21] Good evening, Mayor Cramer and Council. My name is Maureen Taylor.

[32:27] I've been a resident of Franklin Township for over 40 years and I wanted to express my disappointment in discovering that there's going to be a cannabis dispensary, less than a mile from my house.

[32:43] Not only is it close to a residential area, it's also close to a school or a place of worship and our library where children go.

[32:51] To be honest, when I first saw the sign Franklin Roots, I thought I had something to do with

[32:56] our partnership history, imagine my surprise when I Googled it and found it was going

[33:01] to be yet another dispensary.

[33:04] I believe that the propagation and the high number of dispensaries will be a stain on our

[33:08] history.

[33:09] I found out too late that it was going to happen and I took personal ownership for that.

[33:15] I will make sure I keep a closer eye on what the Council proposes to happen and to that

[33:21] And I would like to know how many more dispensaries

[33:24] are planned for Franklin Township?

[33:26] Is there a limit for how many more there will be?

[33:30] Is Franklin Township reaping any revenue

[33:34] to offset our high property taxes?

[33:38] And are there plans to regulate the traffic

[33:41] at that intersection of Mwell and Demod?

[33:45] Thank you very much for your service.

[34:04] Jim Johnston, 34, Norwich Place, I'm going to talk about Flock since the last meeting

[34:11] a month ago, I've been doing some more reading up on it, and I've been talking to

[34:16] some more people, and I'm very grateful to their helping me to understand, but if I say anything

[34:22] that you know is incorrect, you're pleased to feel free to correct me.

[34:26] Flock is a private company that got a private database that is contained on the cloud,

[34:32] Okay, you know what the cloud is like, cloud computing, and it's contained in a cloud called the American web services cloud, the AWS cloud.

[34:45] Okay, now Flock has four control over this database that got their own administrators who are flock employees that you're the only ones who are allowed to have administrative capabilities to this database.

[35:00] So let's say if someone from the Franklin Police, a Franklin police officer wants to submit a query, he has a special login for police officers that he can log into to submit a query to the flock database.

[35:24] and that query goes to the database and it is handled by one of the administrators and they process the query and it produces the desired report which is then sent back to the police officer,

[35:38] that's my understanding.

[35:43] So, so Fri can tell you what the Fri can police do not have any administrator ability to to

[35:58] they control the database, and they control the data that's in the database.

[36:08] So let's say if I know your contract says that with the Flock, that the township has a contract with Flock that says Flock is not allowed to sell data to third parties,

[36:24] But actually, if they wanted to, they could, without you knowing about it, because because,

[36:30] like I said, the Falk is the only ones who have administrative ability to administer

[36:37] the database and they can do anything they want, including selling data to third parties.

[36:44] And this is verified by New Jersey State Assemblyman, Balvier Singh, he's a New Jersey State

[36:54] Solomon. He put out a video a couple of weeks ago in which he says that flock is, indeed,

[37:03] selling data to third parties to the highest bidder. I just want to check him out. His name

[37:08] is Belle Vier Singh, B-A-L-V-I-R, last name Singh, S-I-N-G-H. So I would tend to believe him because,

[37:21] We heard we heard to the contrary at the last meeting that they couldn't do it, but this

[37:27] Assemblyman says they are doing

[37:33] it, and then okay so okay and then there's the question

[37:41] of how much support, how much there is, there was bipartisan opposition in Franklin against

[37:50] Flock overwhelmingly, you saw what happened at the last month, we had how many speakers

[37:57] to come up here, 25 people came up here to speak, or 30 people, and every one of them voiced

[38:05] objections to the flock. They were all against it. Not a single person was four flock.

[38:17] Now, I don't know how many of you are on Facebook, but even on Facebook, you can see there's

[38:22] an overwhelming opposition to the flock. On last week, the Franken reporter published two

[38:28] tutorials. One editorial was against flock. The other editorial was foreflock. The one that was against

[38:36] flock got a lot of favorable comments and 62 people liked the editorial that was against flock.

[38:44] Nobody. Nobody. Not one person liked the editorial that was foreflock. Nobody wrote any comments.

[38:51] Nobody liked it. So that's that the vote tell is 62 to 0 to get to the castle flock and

[39:00] Take down the cameras and or cover them up whatever.

[39:08] I think

[39:20] good afternoon

[39:21] Good evening council my name is Jacqueline the cafe for two I am demanding the immediate shutdown of Franklin Township's

[39:31] of antisystem until residents receive complete answers and a genuinely independent

[39:37] investigation. Our analysis places Franklin, you're the top of the agencies with

[39:43] calculator hot list rate of nearly 48%. This is not targeted policing.

[39:58] Targeted

[40:00] Time, location, and vehicle information of hundreds of thousands of innocent people first, and preserves

[40:07] it in case someone wants to search it later. That threatens our Fourth Amendment protection

[40:13] against unreasonable government searches. Location records can reveal visits to homes, doctors,

[40:19] churches, protests, attorneys, and support groups. Driving through Franklin is not consent

[40:26] to government tracking.

[40:28] Township orders document roughly 26 licensed plate readers

[40:32] for condor video cameras, gunshot detection,

[40:36] clockwise, and a three-year data retention.

[40:39] Yet residents have heard conflicting camera counts.

[40:42] Where is the authority inventory?

[40:45] In only 30 days, the portal reported roughly 664,000 unique

[40:50] vehicle reads and approximately 311 hotless hits.

[40:54] a calculated rate of nearly 47%, that extraordinary figure must be independently verified.

[41:06] A hit is not necessarily a wanted vehicle, confirmed a match, arrest, or self-crime.

[41:14] Verified, flock commitments approached $400,000, with more than $100,000 in estimated

[41:19] annual costs. That also excludes all the other surveillance software. I'm not going to

[41:25] list them, but we don't know if they are. So that more our reaches are surveillance

[41:30] estimates over a million dollars. But the township has not produced the complete

[41:35] ledger of what that is, and that's what we're asking for. And then if we go to crime statistics,

[41:40] they do not justify what we have done in Franklin Township. Franklin's population has

[41:46] more than doubled since 1976 while the series crime rate was approximately 75% lower in

[41:52] 2024. The available evidence does not prove that for a reduced crime. The ACLU warns

[41:59] that Flock is building a nationwide mass surveillance network and has documented misleading

[42:05] representations concerning its capabilities in federal access. Flock now faces a proposed

[42:12] class action lawsuit, alleging unlawful access to location data.

[42:18] We also demand an independent investigation into the depletes department restructuring

[42:23] the displacement of the police chief structure, void projects appointment process, and the

[42:29] township manager for lockers involvement.

[42:32] I believe far too much authority has become concentrated in the township manager's office.

[42:41] Tonight, we demand that you turn off the cameras and suspend collections, searches, alerts, and sharing.

[42:49] Preserve every contract, communication, hot list and audit log.

[42:53] Commission fully independent investigation.

[42:57] Release the complete inventory sharing list grant records, payment ledger, and actual public safety outcomes.

[43:04] Terminate the contract and ban block from Franklin Township.

[43:07] Turn off the cameras, preserve the evidence, give the public answers before this system operates for one more day.

[43:14] Thank you.

[43:22] Bill Bowman, 52-1 Cherrywood Drive, most of the editor of the Franklin Report. You guys know how I hate doing this, but I have to.

[43:28] Clarification, we did not publish an editorial in favor of the flood cameras.

[43:34] What that was was a story, an editorial, a story.

[43:38] I'll allow the public safety director to more fully explain what the situation is with

[43:44] flat cameras and other surveillance cameras in the in the township.

[43:48] We published an editorial opposing the flat cameras and asking not demanding, suggesting

[43:55] that the contract be nullified and the cameras be shut down, but we did not publish an editorial

[44:03] Supporting the flat, flat cameras.

[44:14] Tovon Walker, 15-Coon Street.

[44:18] Just a couple of things.

[44:19] The first one I want to mention is what exactly is a protocol.

[44:24] If we believe that there has to be an improvement

[44:27] or re-construction of sidewalks.

[44:30] A lot of sidewalks on the fourth ward are cracked.

[44:33] Disfigured blah blah blah.

[44:34] It makes it much harder for kids to be able to go to school.

[44:37] I don't know if that needs to be a complete.

[44:39] A complaint submitted to DPW, I don't know if it, okay, thank you, Mr. Brownlocker.

[44:45] And also, in terms of dumping with that, also I have to be formal complaints to appreciate

[44:49] it.

[44:51] Okay, and the last thing is, along with a lot of what other people have said, again with

[44:56] the flock, I ask if the Township Council...

[45:00] Can, like the prior person said, suspend all activities related to the flock, until there's a larger gathering of people, unless there's a referendum for like November ballot or next year, or, you know, some other type of meetings with the public along with the township council, I think, two meetings is not enough.

[45:23] You've heard a lot of what the public said in the public said is over.

[45:26] What the public has said is overwhelmingly against the flood cameras, I think, for the amount

[45:30] of participation at the Township Council averages in meetings, what you've seen over the last

[45:36] two meetings is substantially higher than what you normally see.

[45:40] So I think that the Township Council should really consider what the public is overwhelmingly

[45:45] saying in regards to flood cameras.

[45:47] Like I said, I think if you really want to allow power to the people at least set it for a referendum,

[45:54] please don't be the, you know, the eight or nine members of the council that want to decide whether we want surveillance in the township and so forth.

[46:04] That's all that I asked. Thank you.

[46:18] Hello. My name is Danielle Williams. I live at 32 cobbler circle in Park Hill State off of South Middle Bush and the intersection of 27.

[46:28] I think you guys know what I'm talking about.

[46:31] There is a flock camera in that intersection.

[46:34] As previously mentioned, we were not made aware

[46:37] of those flock cameras being placed.

[46:39] I drive past that road every single day

[46:42] and I do not consent to being surveilled by my government.

[46:47] I've lived in Franklin Park for a majority of my life over 20 years.

[46:53] I've grown up here, I've gone to the public schools here.

[46:56] I have friends, family, all of that.

[46:59] There is no known crime, so I need to see some statistics from you guys, showing me why that's necessary, right?

[47:08] We live in a very safe community, so I don't understand why we need to be surveilled, right?

[47:14] We don't have any crime, the worst thing that happens to us is a car accident, right?

[47:20] We need to understand why you guys have approved that contract, why you've spent our tax

[47:25] paid dollars on these cameras, surveillance on us, you don't inform us, you didn't do a referendum,

[47:33] you didn't do a vote on it, you didn't even let us know that this was happening, right?

[47:38] I have to go online, see about these block cameras, and as I'm driving, I see a camera

[47:44] I'm not a criminal, I don't know, there's no crime in the area that is suggesting that we need this technology.

[47:53] It's an invasion of our rights of our privacy.

[47:56] And at the very least, you need to let us know that you are making this decision.

[48:02] I was not here at the last township meeting, so I didn't hear what other people were saying,

[48:06] but I'm pretty sure from what I've heard today that they have had similar feedback and thoughts.

[48:12] So I need you guys to actually really consider this and either pause not I don't even want it to be paused

[48:18] I wanted to be stopped. I want the cameras to come down

[48:21] But at the very least you need to do a vote and have the township the people of Franklin

[48:26] Vote and make their voices heard, right?

[48:29] We I shouldn't have to come down to this meeting and tell you guys that I don't want to be watched for no reason

[48:35] Okay, there is no

[48:37] the right to our safety, nothing happens.

[48:40] The worst is someone sets off a firework.

[48:42] You're talking about gunshots, detection,

[48:44] what gunshots have been fired in our neighborhood,

[48:47] in our township, okay?

[48:49] Maybe I'm privileged, maybe I don't have to have that experience,

[48:52] but I don't think that that's necessary, right?

[48:55] And my thoughts are, if we're having this,

[48:58] surveillance technology, what's the point

[48:59] of the police's apartment?

[49:01] You guys are not doing your job then, right?

[49:03] Because you're supposed to be keeping us safe.

[49:06] If you need this technology to do your work, then maybe we need a new, we need to revamp

[49:11] the police department or something.

[49:14] Because this doesn't make any sense why you guys need this help when for years.

[49:18] As that other lady said, our crime has been lowered since 76 or something like that.

[49:24] We are not having an influx of crime.

[49:26] So if you guys can't handle the little car accidents and things like that, let us know

[49:31] So that we can make the next steps to make that change.

[49:35] But you should not be surveilling us, watching us, right?

[49:38] As we're going about our day.

[49:39] I don't know who has access to that data.

[49:41] I don't know who's searching for it.

[49:43] There's young women, people around, right?

[49:47] You don't know who's in charge of that data,

[49:49] who has access to it.

[49:50] I don't approve of that.

[49:51] And I just wanted to come here and let you guys know

[49:53] that that's not okay.

[49:55] And we need to have some type of referendum,

[49:57] some type of vote discussion,

[49:58] and they're not even discussion.

[50:16] Good evening. Thank you.

[50:22] Good evening Mayor, council. I very much appreciate your ear when it comes to the flock situation and listening to me and reading my e-mails. I very much appreciate it.

[50:37] Thank you for serving Ward 2, Councilman Francois.

[50:43] Thank you for asking very good questions and be in a tentative.

[50:49] Welcome to the Franklin Flock Files session.

[50:54] If I know what he did get a packet and you would like a packet, raise your hand and

[50:59] the young lady in the nice flowered blouse.

[51:03] We'll hand you one.

[51:08] Let's start with Carl Bach from Flock.

[51:11] Who said, flock can't unilaterally change terms of conditions in New Jersey except they did for

[51:18] Somerset County and May and then here in Franklin on June 30th.

[51:23] The contract says explicitly binding to terms on flock website.

[51:28] That's highlighted.

[51:30] Then we have flock doesn't continuously track residents, Lloyd said, except when I went to

[51:36] photo and it collected 20 plus location data points on me in a few miles.

[51:41] That is tracking by definition.

[51:46] See the map.

[51:48] Lloyd said, flocked fine pets and clothing.

[51:52] Well, that's the Marikai MVAI system that has that feature.

[51:57] So Lloyd mixed up his tyranny toys.

[52:00] Why tell us there's 22 cameras when there's far more?

[52:04] I don't understand that.

[52:06] Uh, Lloyd said they're not disproportionately placed in the

[52:09] cloared side of town.

[52:12] But the map tells a different story.

[52:15] Did the council approve these 20, 24 terms and conditions prior

[52:20] to the resolution passing in January?

[52:23] Because I find that odd.

[52:26] Then there's no opt-out in a 20, 25 contract, which I highlighted.

[52:31] Yikes.

[52:32] Did the council approve a second contract with Flock on the 30th of June?

[52:38] This did subject Franklin Township to the February 16th terms and conditions that were on

[52:43] Flock website at the time.

[52:45] And I want to know who specifically approved those terms and conditions.

[52:53] Take a look at the Flock portal stats for Franklin Township and then on the next page you

[52:59] look at Edison. This is disgusting. Lloyd is on the record saying that hotlist hits,

[53:08] hit total is a national number, not all Franklin, and he said that to the Franklin Advocate in

[53:15] the article that the gentleman was talking about from the Franklin Advocate. But that is simply

[53:20] no true, no idea how the system works. And with all the backlash now, the hotlist hits

[53:29] actually hit it. And I mean, you know, we asked for this to be investigated. I even put

[53:34] an informal complaint about it. We didn't ask for it to be covered up. You know, real

[53:40] national numbers, I have them.

[53:46] They're right here. Out of 300 cities that have a public

[53:53] portal,

[53:57] you can see where Franklin Township sits on that. But keep in mind, now, the whole

[54:02] to Florida has banned Flock, Flock has banned in Florida, the entire state.

[54:07] So congratulations, Franklin.

[54:08] We're number one in the country, for hotness, hit percentage of all the public portals

[54:13] in the country,

[54:17] what an achievement.

[54:19] And you know, I mean, if you go over to the email page, you know, Bob, I like Bob, but he actually

[54:25] thinks that the Marriott Kai MVs are regular traffic cameras, kind of like my dad thinks

[54:30] that AI is just for asking questions.

[54:34] It's kind of like the same concept.

[54:36] And Lloyd is right in the other email.

[54:38] We did have Marry Kai cameras 10 years ago.

[54:41] We did have them.

[54:43] Just not the ones with AI that collected our data.

[54:46] And I have every date of each AI camera

[54:49] that was installed on each poll.

[54:51] That's the power of open source intelligence.

[54:56] And governments who have no understanding

[54:58] of AIs

[55:00] Surveillance, or how it evolves, should not be in charge of this technology. Nor should a town council be a rubber stand for the police department, so they can plant their tyranny trees.

[55:13] I have provided far more evidence than any other city that already cancelled or banned flock. Tons more.

[55:22] Some of these cities was just one, one, that was it, just one, that's all it took.

[55:27] I just want to say one Ben Franklin quote here to finish this off.

[55:32] Rebellion to Tyrants is obedience to God.

[55:38] Thank you.

[55:50] Good afternoon.

[55:51] My name's Kyle Asset.

[55:52] I live off of Webster Road.

[55:55] I recently got this letter in the mail.

[56:00] I am pre-plan any of this, I figure I just come up here and voice my opinion.

[56:09] This is pretty much a letter of cowardice saying why my property tax is when it's not

[56:16] your fault, it's school district and everyone else.

[56:19] That's the way I read it as cowardice.

[56:22] I don't understand how we can sustain this.

[56:27] I got a kid that's 10 months old.

[56:32] I've lived here for 12 years.

[56:34] I hope you guys actually listen,

[56:36] I wanted to start a family here

[56:38] and it's no longer feasible.

[56:39] I'm going to look for somewhere else to live

[56:41] because I can't keep this up.

[56:43] In the time that I've lived here,

[56:45] I'm a younger guy that lives here.

[56:48] 83% my property tax has gone since 2012 since 2020 to 37% I don't make 37% more

[57:00] This is the straw that's breaking the canvas back

[57:05] Yeah, I like that in here it's it's got you know what you guys do the finest police force

[57:14] yet now here we are all talking about how you need flock well then I can't be the

[57:20] finest police force if you need they are trying to add it in my biggest right

[57:27] period I can't afford this place you're making it affordable for everybody you

[57:31] knew that the cost of the property was going to be valued at a extra amount you

[57:39] call it 20%. That's outside of what you guys are able to do. That's set by the market.

[57:46] Yet even with that 20% increase, if your house is valued at now 100,000 more,

[57:52] you still chose to increase your portion of taking.

[57:59] Can you not work within the

[58:02] exorbitant amount that's already going up. Can you not balance a budget? What happens if

[58:08] there is any sort of correction in the housing market? Are you going to just run

[58:13] a deficit and on stop and bleed a strife? Or are you actually going to do something

[58:19] about it? Cut, cost, cut, staff. This is getting too much.

[58:30] And then wall

[58:31] I think it was by Benjamin Franklin, someone already quoted it, but you trade security, you trade freedom for security.

[58:44] Those who trade freedom for security deserve me for the liberty.

[58:50] say, if you for the clarity, deserve neither and will lose both. I appreciate you know

[58:58] that.

[59:08] Deborah and men, four, four.

[59:14] I don't know how long ago, but the ordinance, the

[59:17] ordinance, the ordinance, was modified so that when a resident call and complain about

[59:22] the noise disturbance, the officers could issue some instances. Office of Fredericks, they're

[59:30] doing that. I've called numerous times on one of my neighbors, and I do believe if they were

[59:36] issuing a summons, they wouldn't be violating the North's ordinance after 10 p.m. So, it was

[59:45] the sense of modifying the North's ordinance, if it's not going to be enforced. And when we call

[59:53] when I call the dispatch, it's like we are disturbing them about who was ordinance.

[59:58] So I really...

[1:00:00] I need you to check your dispatchers, check your police officers, and when they go out to a call about

[1:00:09] a noise disturbance, don't give them one chance issued a noise ordinance right then and there, because

[1:00:15] they're disturbing people's peace. We're unable to enjoy the confounds of our home. I'm tied

[1:00:21] turn in my volume of my TV up to 50, to be able to hear my television when I'm told you

[1:00:30] have to be able to hear from the proper line. If I'm inside my house and my neighbor is

[1:00:35] over there, that's over the proper line. So I would appreciate that you have that conversation

[1:00:43] during your huddles with your police officers and have them reinforce that ordinance and

[1:00:48] that playing with people's livelihoods?

[1:00:58] Good evening, everybody.

[1:01:00] My name is Faisal Nour, I live out of two vents

[1:01:02] road, Somerset.

[1:01:04] So I'm here to speak about property taxes,

[1:01:08] like the last increase was 20%.

[1:01:11] And I got the same letter saying that everything

[1:01:15] is getting more expensive.

[1:01:17] Insurance is getting more expensive.

[1:01:18] It's getting more expensive for everybody.

[1:01:21] And for you to move your problem from your side,

[1:01:23] We're just my side. It's not fair because I'm going to be sending my house soon.

[1:01:28] If this continues, have we considered managing resources, control expenses?

[1:01:34] You're just sending me a letter saying that we are like paying more.

[1:01:38] But what have we done last year? What was our expenses last year versus how much is our expenses this year?

[1:01:45] Are we abusing? Is everybody paying an increase? I got 20%.

[1:01:49] It's everybody in the room got 20% increased because I heard some people like their homes worth millions and they pay a little bit because like they're walking here

[1:02:00] I don't know if that's true or not, but we should look into that

[1:02:05] Because if you guys keep continuous in my property tax, I won't be on in a home anytime soon. I'll be selling my home. Thank you

[1:02:28] Good evening, Charlie Cratt-Aville.

[1:02:30] I live at 143 CIDAM Street in New Brunswick,

[1:02:33] and I'm one of the say it's a great day for Central Jersey,

[1:02:35] and I'm so glad to be with you all here in Franklin Township.

[1:02:38] I may not be a resident, but I have many great friends and allies

[1:02:42] who call this community home.

[1:02:45] Of course, Franklin is home to many great community organizers,

[1:02:50] political activists, journalists, and other civic-minded folks

[1:02:54] who make it such a great place.

[1:02:56] And I think you're hearing from some of those folks tonight,

[1:02:58] I hope you listen to them and take to heart what they're telling you.

[1:03:03] It's also got a pretty good culture here with the meetings being video recorded, shared

[1:03:11] with the public on YouTube.

[1:03:13] Not all of them are.

[1:03:14] You still don't have the housing authority or the redevelopment agency meetings up there.

[1:03:18] So I encourage you to look at that and ask why not since you do share so many of the important

[1:03:24] meetings and you have so many great volunteers on your boards.

[1:03:27] So I do enjoy watching those meetings, but I'm here today because I was troubled by what I saw here at your August 11th meeting.

[1:03:35] So firstly I came to that meeting to correct what I believe was bad information given to the council, the mayor and the viewing public.

[1:03:45] So through the mayor, for the Township Attorney, I wanted to ask again the definition of a covered person in the state's Daniels Law statute.

[1:03:54] Does that include elected officials,

[1:04:02] Mr. Mayor, through you, for the Township Attorney?

[1:04:05] We answer it. We answer it at the end of the day.

[1:04:08] That's the thing. Last time I asked that same exact question, I waited until the very end, and I didn't get an answer.

[1:04:16] So I'm back with the same question when will I get an answer?

[1:04:24] That's what you told me last time. So I guess we'll stay tuned for that answer, but I don't know why you.

[1:04:31] Well, just answer, but to recap, Mr. Ray, no, in the long-time township attorney and Mr.

[1:04:35] Warren Locker, the long-time township manager, made comments that your July meeting

[1:04:39] that suggested it was inappropriate to discuss the alleged home address of Fourth Ward Councilman

[1:04:46] Carl Wright.

[1:04:48] It's obvious to anyone who's actually read the statute that the interpretation offered by your professionals was simply wrong.

[1:04:59] Now

[1:05:00] We all make mistakes, no one is perfect, but the honorable thing to do when you're engaged in public service.

[1:05:06] And you make a mistake like this to apologize, correct the record and move forward with dignity.

[1:05:12] Instead, what occurred was even more troubling, when another individual followed up on my questions about these misrepresentations, an un-serious and unprofessional response was offered by Township Council.

[1:05:28] I don't answer questions for Mr. Crataville.

[1:05:31] That's my policy.

[1:05:33] So, I got to ask, were you joking?

[1:05:37] It certainly sounded like an attempt at humor at my expense.

[1:05:42] Either way, it was an extraordinarily unprofessional conduct beneath the office

[1:05:47] that Mr. Reno and holds.

[1:05:51] And I will also note on the topic of respect,

[1:05:55] public safety director Lloyd Frederick's, also across the line during that meeting when he threatened to remove people from the meeting for being, quote, not respectful. Now, I will say this. I have great respect for you, Mayor. I've worked with a lot of different mayors around the state and I truly like you and think you're a good public servant. So I have respect for you. I show respect for you. I thought it was great that you have a public safety director who comes to many of the meetings.

[1:06:26] But no one is able to demand respect in the government.

[1:06:33] You cannot make people respect you.

[1:06:36] And no one has to be respectful to participate in these meetings.

[1:06:41] It was wrong for the civilian police director to go well beyond the scope of his duties

[1:06:47] that night.

[1:06:49] And he too owes the public an apology.

[1:06:52] So, I am eagerly awaiting the answers to my questions and I hope that we can all move forward

[1:06:58] with dignity and earn each other's respect.

[1:07:03] That's all.

[1:07:04] Thank you.

[1:07:11] My name is Sanchi Sharma.

[1:07:12] I live on New Brunswick Road.

[1:07:14] So, also, if my voice gets weird, sorry, I'm dealing with a bit of allergies.

[1:07:18] So, okay, so I have a couple of questions.

[1:07:20] I've, like, all my body, this was mentioned in the previous meeting and I just missed it.

[1:07:24] But I have three questions.

[1:07:25] My first question is, how long is the contract with Flock?

[1:07:29] My second question is, what are the consequences for canceling the contract?

[1:07:34] And my third question is, is there any coordination with New Brunswick in the placement of Flock cameras between Franklin and New Brunswick?

[1:07:42] I want to read some headlines. I found out it was consen.

[1:07:46] So this is one of the headlines shares offices and I'm so sorry to anybody in Wisconsin but during this,

[1:07:52] President, Fawn DuLock, Counties, ending agreements with Flock, two counties in southeast Wisconsin

[1:07:57] announced Friday.

[1:07:58] They are cutting ties with Flock license plate, reader cameras.

[1:08:01] In a statement, Fawn DuLock County said its decision follows the discovery that search

[1:08:06] data from our Flock systems, including records tied to active investigations was disclosed to

[1:08:11] the public by law enforcement agencies and other states in response to open records request

[1:08:16] they received, making it accessible nationwide.

[1:08:19] Another headline, which is with the Shiboygan Police Department, was that Flock safety offered

[1:08:26] to sell five years of speed and traffic data to the city of Shiboygan.

[1:08:30] The city's mayors that Flock never told them the cameras were tracking that kind of data.

[1:08:35] And now the city is looking to cancel, it's contract with Flock.

[1:08:38] The last article I just want to quickly quote is from 404 media titled, Flock taught

[1:08:48] So this is from the article in one second, okay, so in Matt, this was like what the articles basically talk about a webinar, you can read the article online too, and this is a paragraph of an article.

[1:09:01] Imagine that you're an incident commander and you're working this no-king's protest peak explains while a dashboard shows a surveillance of surveillance tools overlaying the city of Denver.

[1:09:10] If I'm somebody assigned a traffic post, that's working this no-kings protest, I really don't have time to go in and look at all these places for different intelligence.

[1:09:19] This is an example of viewing all of that in one place. I'm an officer. I can see the response plan that's included.

[1:09:25] I can pull that if I can pull that up if I need it, but I can also see live video footage as that protest moves to the park.

[1:09:32] Last time I brought up, I think it was the false positive rate, I brought up, I brought

[1:09:39] up the risk of stalking and those are still valid concerns, but I think it's kind

[1:09:45] of concerning that every week we have new headlines about flock nationwide on different

[1:09:51] issues with this company and just ALPR's in general.

[1:09:54] Again, I call it Franklin to cancel their contract because I mean I could show up in two weeks

[1:10:00] I would like to put more headlines, but I just don't want us to become a headline as well. Thank you.

[1:10:12] Anyone else wishing to speak?

[1:10:19] Ask for unanimous consent to end public portion.

[1:10:24] That objection, public portion is closed.

[1:10:28] The dress comments are the public.

[1:10:31] Oh, lock was first on the list. Did you want to answer the questions?

[1:10:45] Alright, good evening everyone.

[1:10:47] In person, foremost, I'm not here to lie or to see anyone.

[1:10:54] I'm a human being.

[1:10:55] I've made mistakes.

[1:10:56] I quoted 22 cameras because there are four cameras

[1:10:59] that are attached to our video cameras that I totally forgot about.

[1:11:02] And two cameras that were moved.

[1:11:05] Those two cameras were that camera was counted twice.

[1:11:08] That's what accounts for the 28 cameras on the portal.

[1:11:11] See, so if you ask a question,

[1:11:12] I'm going to give you the answer, and I'm going to give you the truth.

[1:11:14] The reason you saw so many hits on our transparency portal is because we had every box checked

[1:11:21] off for the hot list, all right?

[1:11:26] Now, when I was a police officer, we ran plates randomly by hand.

[1:11:34] When you saw officers stop at a light or in a parking lot and you're checking a license plate,

[1:11:38] they were doing that by hand, all right?

[1:11:42] A flock camera does that. It's a machine. So we can do it 10,000 times faster than you may be.

[1:11:49] Right? Now, as far as hits, I'll educate you some more.

[1:11:58] The most hit on hot list topic, or is suspended license plates.

[1:12:11] Okay? We know that as officers. I'm giving to you in the public. That is a title 39 violation.

[1:12:20] All right? Let's take it. All right. Most police officers are not directly interested in that,

[1:12:27] but it is a hot list item and the camera will pick it up. All right. Now, on the transparency

[1:12:34] You saw NCIC, you saw Amber Liss, you saw DMV.

[1:12:40] Those are the platforms that the hot list is going to.

[1:12:44] A hot list kit can be, like I said, suspended license,

[1:12:49] suspended registration, stolen car, missing person,

[1:12:54] a sexual offense, an armed robbery, a homicide.

[1:12:58] I can go on and on and on.

[1:13:00] All right.

[1:13:00] If all those boxes are clicked off, you're going to get hits.

[1:13:05] We and New Jersey are not allowed to share our information with other states, but those

[1:13:10] states can share their information with us.

[1:13:14] Therefore we will get their hotly information.

[1:13:18] All right?

[1:13:20] Across the United States, and this is just a policing issue, every state has a different law.

[1:13:27] Some states release over requesting release everything.

[1:13:31] Some states restrict that.

[1:13:34] All right?

[1:13:34] Idaho, Falls, or Idaho, Idaho was the state.

[1:13:38] That was the state that released all the information

[1:13:41] that all these other people were able to get onslaught,

[1:13:44] including information from Franklin Township.

[1:13:47] All right?

[1:13:48] That's how the information got out there.

[1:13:52] Okay?

[1:13:52] Now, again, we have a conversation.

[1:13:55] I don't blame you for your door process, I'm here to give you every answer to every question that you ask.

[1:14:03] All right, as far as surveillance.

[1:14:07] Yes, it's terms surveillance.

[1:14:10] It's security surveillance.

[1:14:12] There is no officer sitting behind a computer watching a TV or a monitor 24-7.

[1:14:24] That's called a real-time crime center, not a big cities have it, New York, New York, Georgia,

[1:14:28] city, they can afford to do that, all right, we can't hear, all right, ours is an

[1:14:34] investigation tool, it's one tool that we use in our investigations, all right.

[1:14:41] The young lady here that says there's no, while do you have gunshot detection?

[1:14:46] Well, because we have gunshots, it might not happen in your neighborhood, but that doesn't

[1:14:50] it's not happening in Franklin Township. Okay? Okay. Be receptive. Don't shake your head, listen.

[1:14:58] We do have gun shots.

[1:15:00] In Franklin Townsend. Mostly, we have two office of cars, which we call Area 1. It's right along the New Brunswick borderline.

[1:15:09] And anybody who's lived in Franklin Township for any amount of time knows that's where the majority of the gunshots occur.

[1:15:18] All right. So I had the opportunity to look. Since the year to date, there's been 32 gunshot calls in town.

[1:15:28] So, that just goes to, as that means people either complaining that there were gunshots or the

[1:15:37] gunshot detector detected the gunshots and the police officers went to investigate.

[1:15:43] 32 since January 1st.

[1:15:46] No, 32 gunshots that were investigated as gunshots.

[1:15:51] 32 reports of gunshots.

[1:15:54] Yes, that happens.

[1:15:56] Lessons.

[1:15:58] Again, the fireworks do occur.

[1:16:03] Yeah.

[1:16:03] And we know when they're fireworks.

[1:16:04] We know the difference between gunshots and fireworks.

[1:16:07] Anybody who fires a gun knows the difference between gunshots and fireworks.

[1:16:12] It's this thing.

[1:16:13] Excuse me.

[1:16:15] So let's not think to rock.

[1:16:16] Let's listen.

[1:16:17] I didn't interrupt you when you were speaking.

[1:16:19] I listened.

[1:16:20] All right.

[1:16:23] All right.

[1:16:24] distinct. If you hear them enough, you will know the difference between a gunshot and a fire cracker.

[1:16:30] All right? Those gunshot detectors, when we first got them,

[1:16:35] yes, they had to train, they had to learn, but they know the difference between a gunshot and a firework.

[1:16:40] It's no other way to say it. All right? So do we sometimes get a card at backfires? That sounds

[1:16:46] like a gunshot and the detector goes on? Yes. It occurs. All right? So the technology is

[1:16:54] It's not here to follow or surveil anyone.

[1:16:56] It's here to assist us in doing police work, to do it faster.

[1:17:02] You still need a good, whole-hearted police officer to investigate.

[1:17:08] And I said in September 11th meeting, it's where human beings and some people are going

[1:17:14] to try to abuse the technology.

[1:17:16] They're going to do it, but we have orders in place to mitigate those problems.

[1:17:21] You might get away with it once or twice, three times, four times.

[1:17:25] Some places I heard they've gotten away with it, 25, 100 times.

[1:17:28] But who knows what their audit process was like?

[1:17:30] I don't.

[1:17:31] So I cannot make any comment on that.

[1:17:34] Facts before acts, right?

[1:17:36] You guys spit out a lot of facts about what's happening with flot.

[1:17:40] Flot has some serious issues, they did, right?

[1:17:44] But all of the things that you guys point to with flot issues have not happened in New Jersey.

[1:17:50] They have not happened in New Jersey, and if you have the information, please share it with me.

[1:17:56] Please share it with me.

[1:17:58] Please share it with me.

[1:18:03] I am adamant about keeping the community safe.

[1:18:11] The gunshot detection system, the flock cameras,

[1:18:14] are, like I said, a tool that we use to help us in investigations.

[1:18:22] I support the system, you're all against the system, you feel like we're following you,

[1:18:27] but we're not following you.

[1:18:29] If you don't understand how the system works, the ALPR camera takes a picture of a license plate.

[1:18:35] Right?

[1:18:36] That's just a license plate.

[1:18:37] You now have to have access to DMV, CGS, or NCIC, or any of these other databases in order to look up that person's information.

[1:18:51] DMV abuse was happening a long time ago.

[1:18:55] People were looking up plates in DMV way back in the 80s.

[1:19:00] Officers were abusing that back then.

[1:19:02] When they had access to other databases, they were going those databases as well, right?

[1:19:08] So, again, it's our job to mitigate and hold those offices accountable when they do something like that, right?

[1:19:15] For my police department, that has not happened.

[1:19:19] I haven't had any officers abuse their authority or privilege where flock is concerned or DMV is concerned.

[1:19:27] All right, our audits and our rules are so strict that if you run something in DMV, you're

[1:19:32] not even allowed to leave that piece of paper sitting on a desk.

[1:19:35] It has to be shredded.

[1:19:38] All right, it is humbling, but I stand the ground to say, I hear where you're coming from,

[1:19:48] anything that you want to explain, we can have a 101 conversation, we can have the conversation

[1:19:53] here.

[1:19:53] I'll explain to you how it happens.

[1:19:56] I'll show you the, I'll show you and explain to you how the metric occurs.

[1:20:00] Right? Everyone thinks of the, maybe the most egregious crimes when you hear hotly, but it's not the most egregious crimes.

[1:20:12] All right? Like I said, a suspended driver's license, not really a big deal.

[1:20:17] Forgetting to register your car, it happens a lot, right? We have a lot of elder people, right? The mayor fact that you don't inspect your car and do your registration at the same time, confuses a lot of people.

[1:20:30] And they forget to register their car. So what are you suggest I do when I get a 77-year-old or 75-year-old who forget to register their car?

[1:20:39] He forgot. He forgot. He forgot. He didn't say 71.

[1:20:47] I'm a man.

[1:20:48] That's the same as 7, 7, 5, 7, 7, 7.

[1:20:50] But, what do I do with that person and it's two weeks, or maybe it's 30 days?

[1:20:57] Right?

[1:20:58] No, we're not stalking.

[1:21:01] No?

[1:21:02] Not all the time.

[1:21:04] No, not all the time.

[1:21:05] No, not all the time.

[1:21:06] Please.

[1:21:06] Yes?

[1:21:07] This is not a question.

[1:21:10] No,

[1:21:13] no.

[1:21:13] No, no.

[1:21:15] No.

[1:21:15] So I'm trying to rebuff and answer the question that you all put out here, all right, and at the same time you do examples, right?

[1:21:23] It is, I think, uh, more important to you to educate the person, and say, hey listen, you forgot to do your registration.

[1:21:31] You don't need to put me to tell your car, right, you were summoned.

[1:21:33] Now, you do have all the services that are going to do it, all right?

[1:21:37] I'm not saying that every officer is going to be that way, but at the same time, you stop a young person who forgot to register their car.

[1:21:44] By the time I talk with them and come back, they have projects that they're growing a lot.

[1:21:49] Right?

[1:21:50] It happens.

[1:21:52] It has a lot to do with it.

[1:21:55] So it is the tool that the technology, like I said, is a tool that we use.

[1:22:00] Not something we use to surveillance anyone.

[1:22:02] Not something we use to follow anyone.

[1:22:05] Not something that officers in my town should continually abuse.

[1:22:09] Not something that officers sit and watch constantly.

[1:22:11] We just don't have the time to do that and that is okay, okay, so why are we interrupting again?

[1:22:20] No, excuse me. Why are you interrupting again? You can't you can't. Yes, I think you guys got a chance to talk

[1:22:26] And when you were talking I didn't interrupt you. I listened

[1:22:30] No, sir, sir. You cannot one or one sir. Okay, outside outside. We can have it outside. Okay, we can have it outside. All right, so

[1:22:42] As far as not letting anyone know, everything for flock was done by resolution, right?

[1:22:49] It's all public information. You can see it. It's there. It's up here every time we have a council meeting.

[1:22:55] You can go back and watch the videos. They're all archive.

[1:22:59] All right? You can look it up on a township website.

[1:23:02] All right? No reason to hide. No reason to lie. All the information is there.

[1:23:10] Excuse me, I said repeatedly, this is not the time for the public to speak, you spoke, you can, excuse me, excuse me.

[1:23:23] Answers aren't done yet sir.

[1:23:25] Excuse me sir, please, thank you.

[1:23:29] Trying to run an organized meeting.

[1:23:31] So I will make one correction of what you said,

[1:23:34] because I did get a demonstration today, a piece of the flux system. I saw the administrative

[1:23:42] capability that is available, some of the administrative capability that is available

[1:23:49] in town. I take what you are people, people that would always, what you nice people,

[1:24:00] what you grade people. I take seriously what you're saying. I honestly do.

[1:24:08] You feel that you

[1:24:09] are being, your privacy is being invaded and I get that. The council is going to hate me

[1:24:19] for this, but the Ben Franklin quote, I'm sorry I can't leave it alone.

[1:24:26] So the thing that

[1:24:27] started the whole revolution was the stamp act.

[1:24:31] That was in 1765.

[1:24:35] Ben Franklin was an on board with the separating

[1:24:40] until 1774.

[1:24:43] And he wasn't really convinced about it

[1:24:45] until February of 1776 when he was humiliated

[1:24:50] before the House of Commons.

[1:24:52] People think of that quote as him doing that,

[1:24:55] maybe at the convention trying to get his delegates to vote for.

[1:25:00] Liberty for separating from Britain, or maybe afterwards trying to get people to fight.

[1:25:07] He made that quote in 1755, and it was actually arguing for the liberty was the liberty to tax more

[1:25:18] for the colonial government. Not to tax less, not to fight for freedom was actually to

[1:25:25] to fight more and the safety was about the French and Indian wars.

[1:25:32] So the words, the words

[1:25:34] may fit your cause, but you do not have the wisdom of Franklin behind you when you, when

[1:25:40] you give that. And I'm sorry, I'm in history nerd and you just paid the price for that.

[1:25:51] The percentage of hit rate is, again, it depends on what boxes you checked.

[1:26:00] In other words, what crimes are you interested in?

[1:26:04] Sir, you're shaking your head now, but then they probably would have gotten similar results.

[1:26:12] I saw, excuse me, excuse me.

[1:26:14] I saw, as the boxes were being unchecked, I saw the rates go down.

[1:26:21] The biggest rate was for people, this is my correction.

[1:26:26] The biggest rate was for people who had forgotten to register their car.

[1:26:32] Thousands went away with that.

[1:26:34] When you checked only the things, the crimes that you and I would be interested in,

[1:26:40] the rate dropped to less than 1%.

[1:26:43] So everybody's checking different boxes, and I saw it demonstrated that that's what matters.

[1:26:49] So the answer that it was national numbers, that was incorrect.

[1:26:54] I think someone was taking a guess, trying to figure out why this is,

[1:26:58] and when they looked who would they excuse me, when they looked at it more,

[1:27:03] that they figured out that's what it was, and I saw that demonstrated today.

[1:27:09] Mr. Mayor, I think there's another important part about that, that it's not a ratio.

[1:27:16] The number of vehicles in 30 days is unique vehicles.

[1:27:21] That means that 640,000 unique vehicles had a photo of the rear of the vehicle taken.

[1:27:32] unique vehicles.

[1:27:34] So if we hit is not unique.

[1:27:37] If you are an unregistered vehicle and you pass the same camera 15 times a day for 30 days,

[1:27:46] you're 450 hits.

[1:27:49] It's not unique.

[1:27:52] It's in the aggregate.

[1:27:54] So if those cameras are seeing unregistered vehicles traveling all around the township of Franklin,

[1:28:01] And those unregistered vehicles go past more than one camera and they go past more than one camera more days than one

[1:28:09] There's a numerical

[1:28:12] Increase that takes place on hits and that's for every

[1:28:18] violation

[1:28:20] Paperwork violation will call them for a vehicle and it's owner

[1:28:26] so

[1:28:29] unregistered, unlicensed, suspended license, suspended registration, and the list goes on.

[1:28:35] Anything that the Motor Vehicle Commission documents as a violation for that vehicle,

[1:28:44] or for the registered owner of that vehicle, then that vehicle becomes a head.

[1:28:49] It's a hit for an unlicensed driver.

[1:28:52] It's a hit for an unregistered vehicle, and every time it goes by a camera, it's a hit.

[1:28:57] So there is no numerical equation that takes the number of hits and compares it to unique vehicles.

[1:29:07] That's not a relevant comparison because you could have one vehicle that gets a thousand hits and you could have one vehicle that gets one.

[1:29:20] And every unique vehicle is considered a standalone entity on that 30-day cycle.

[1:29:29] So you can shake your head, but that's how it works.

[1:29:32] We're not my chance to talk to you, had yours, and we listened.

[1:29:37] That's the way the system works.

[1:29:39] And if you choose, pick list, MVC violations, it includes those motor vehicle violations.

[1:29:51] So, so when, so hey WS by the way, is Amazon Web Services, not American.

[1:30:01] It has, Franklin does have administrative capabilities.

[1:30:08] Flag, flock does not own the data, flock does not own the data, flock does not sell the data,

[1:30:18] flock does not sell our data.

[1:30:20] If you think flock sells our data, then please find me the name of someone it sold to, because

[1:30:29] How do you prove that they don't say how does one prove that you don't say save the cell the data?

[1:30:37] That's like proving there is no mouse in the room. To do that, you have to look in every little place of the room.

[1:30:44] And you have to keep track that the mouse isn't running from place to place.

[1:30:47] It says you're looking. You can prove that there's a mouse in the room if you find a mouse.

[1:30:54] But if you can't find the mouse, it's very hard to find it.

[1:30:58] So prove that they're selling the data.

[1:31:01] I went to Google, chat, GPT, Claude, Grock, and I asked all of them.

[1:31:10] I'd want to buy block data.

[1:31:13] Please, how do I do that?

[1:31:16] And it says, and it said, you can't.

[1:31:19] Find me a place, find me a Martin, excuse me.

[1:31:22] But excuse me, I'm making a point.

[1:31:25] You find me a place where you can buy the data.

[1:31:29] Find me.

[1:31:30] Why were they selling it, too?

[1:31:35] They don't, they, we own the data, this is a nice rumor that is spread and people want

[1:31:44] to hang on to it, but prove to me that they are selling data.

[1:31:49] I'm asking you to do that.

[1:31:51] No.

[1:31:54] So, now I'm not, I'm not sold on flock, I'm just, I'm trying to get to the truth, and there's

[1:32:01] a lot of mist in the way, getting to the truth.

[1:32:05] Council has made no decisions on flock.

[1:32:08] I've made no final decisions on flock.

[1:32:11] When you ask questions, I often go to them and ask questions, and ask those questions.

[1:32:17] And I still have not made a decision on what to do.

[1:32:22] I want safety and I want liberty.

[1:32:26] And I want to try to balance the two.

[1:32:30] We're coming up to 9-11.

[1:32:31] We gave up some liberties for safety in that regard.

[1:32:36] When you go to an airport, it's not like it used to be.

[1:32:39] We gave up some liberties there.

[1:32:41] I want to be.

[1:32:43] I want to balance these things.

[1:32:45] And if we can get a balanced system, and that's great.

[1:32:48] If we can't, then we can't.

[1:32:50] But that is my goal as to understand the system.

[1:32:55] It's a very technically, difficult, or technically complicated

[1:32:59] system.

[1:33:00] And I'm looking for that answer.

[1:33:04] Taxes.

[1:33:07] So yes, taxes went up.

[1:33:12] The tax, and I can show a nice graph of this, our taxes have gone up at about half the rate of inflation.

[1:33:25] So you can shake your head now, but I can show you the figures.

[1:33:30] If you look at the CPI and you compare that, the increase in CPI to the increase in our levy, it's going up half as quickly.

[1:33:42] Excuse me, you know, excuse me.

[1:33:48] Sir, it's on our website.

[1:33:50] Sir, it's on our website.

[1:33:52] It's on the finance department website.

[1:33:55] Go there.

[1:33:55] The presentation is there.

[1:33:58] And you said, Bill, is it possible?

[1:34:05] So the, also, the understanding of the fact that

[1:34:11] assessments of going up. When assessments go up, we don't get more money for that.

[1:34:17] Everyone forgets that the way taxes are calculated is dividing your, the amount of

[1:34:26] that your assessment is by the total assessment of the town. So if the total assessment

[1:34:32] of the town goes up, and your assessment goes up, and your neighbors go up, it doesn't mean

[1:34:42] your taxes go up, the your assessment,

[1:34:49] the amount of money that we ask in the levy, that's

[1:34:53] the amount that we raise by taxes, and the school, and the county, that determines the

[1:35:00] How big the pie is. What your assessment does individually is determine what slice of the pie you will pay.

[1:35:08] So the fact that your assessment doubles, if everyone's doubles, then you'd still pay the same tax with the exception of open space and library.

[1:35:19] Those are tax differently, but they're well under 10% of your taxes.

[1:35:23] So we can't, we're not increasing assessments so we can get more money.

[1:35:30] And I can talk to you in person about this more.

[1:35:33] But the purpose of that graph was simply to show you that,

[1:35:39] yes, we are sending you a $10,000 tax bill.

[1:35:44] We are 13% of that.

[1:35:46] We are $1,300 of that.

[1:35:50] And we have control of, there's just a lot of taxes out there that we don't have control of.

[1:35:57] And people, people misunderstand that.

[1:36:00] The opposition runs against us, making people believe that and reinforcing that.

[1:36:09] We are 13% of your tax.

[1:36:15] All right.

[1:36:17] Mr. Crattabell had a question.

[1:36:20] I actually, I would like to answer Mr. Crataville's question, and it's a two part, and you'll

[1:36:25] get a qualified apology, Charlie.

[1:36:28] The qualified apology is that while I may have been wrong, the basis for my mistake was

[1:36:34] that I was based again on the State of New Jersey Department of Community Affairs Division

[1:36:40] of Local Government Services, Local Finance Board, Local Government Ethics Law Financial

[1:36:46] Disclosure Statements.

[1:36:48] Are you familiar with that form? I believe you are. Don't answer me. We're not supposed to exchange

[1:36:52] That form for every elected official in the state of New Jersey says

[1:36:59] temporarily

[1:37:00] Redacted to ensure compliance with Daniel's law. Now, I am subject to Daniel's law based on my prior employment here in the township before I became the township manager

[1:37:11] so I am

[1:37:13] able to take advantage of

[1:37:15] Daniel's law

[1:37:17] And so I'm certainly familiar with who is eligible for protection under Daniel's law.

[1:37:24] However, I can't explain to you why it says that on the state website for every one of these elected officials that sit up here on the days.

[1:37:34] So I would suggest that you direct that question to the division of the Department of Community Affairs as to why it has it redacted on every form.

[1:37:44] We had to go through a redaction process for Daniel's law here in all of our property tax payment online listings anyone who qualifies for Daniel's law has to have their information

[1:37:57] Redacted on all of our website information wherever it might be. It was it was quite the task

[1:38:04] I don't know why it's like that but that that's why you get a qualified one

[1:38:10] Yes, I know that it is not for elected officials, but I don't understand why the state of New Jersey

[1:38:15] redacts elected officials' information under Daniel's law.

[1:38:20] If I can't.

[1:38:21] You can finish that, Mr. H. You know, and I, of course, Mayor, I also know what the

[1:38:25] definition of public official is and who's covered by Daniel's law and who wasn't.

[1:38:30] Mr. Crattabell was referring to a conversation in public that Mr. Forelocker and I had about

[1:38:36] what the DCA disclosure form says.

[1:38:39] And I did the same thing he did.

[1:38:41] I pulled up on my computer.

[1:38:42] I pulled my own up because, you know,

[1:38:44] I'm sure Charlie, you've checked it 10,000 times.

[1:38:47] It lists every public position that I hold.

[1:38:51] And it redacts my home address because of Daniel's law.

[1:38:55] I'm just, you know, that was the discussion we were having.

[1:38:58] Obviously, I, on the other hand, am not covered by Daniel's law.

[1:39:01] Because I'm not a former judge.

[1:39:03] I'm not a former prosecutor.

[1:39:04] though I did clerk in the prosecutor's office in my

[1:39:06] moth County, 105 years ago, maybe before there was a

[1:39:11] Daniel's law. So I, and I can't explain that, but that was

[1:39:17] the discussion we were having in public. It wasn't a general

[1:39:19] discussion about what Daniel's law covers. There was a question

[1:39:22] about the financial disclosure statement. In fact, I didn't answer

[1:39:25] the question first. Mr. Vornlacher did, and I just

[1:39:28] timed in about what DC access. So that's the answer to you. I

[1:39:31] hope that answers your question. I didn't, by the way, didn't

[1:39:33] to be disrespectful, but that was the answer.

[1:39:37] So, can someone have Mr. Rogers come back?

[1:39:44] Mr. Ho?

[1:39:46] Oh, I think he's engaged with a resident in the lobby.

[1:39:49] I know, but Sasha had it, Sasha.

[1:39:52] Okay, and we'll have him come back.

[1:39:55] I can address them.

[1:39:56] Sunji?

[1:39:59] Sunji?

[1:40:00] He's coming back in. I can do one quickly for you before he gets back up your mayor.

[1:40:05] So, she asked how long is the contract with Block?

[1:40:11] How long is the contract with Block? Three years, four years, four years, four years, four years.

[1:40:16] What are the consequences of ending the contract? Two years are already gone.

[1:40:20] So, two left, two left. Thank you.

[1:40:23] What are the consequences of ending the contract with Block?

[1:40:28] Like we just say, we're done right now.

[1:40:30] God, this is a big mistake, right?

[1:40:35] I think I'd have to look at the track to answer that question.

[1:40:39] I don't know if the top of my head either.

[1:40:42] And use the mic to answer this, do we coordinate with new guns

[1:40:45] we've got a placement of flock cams?

[1:40:48] Yes.

[1:40:49] Anytime you, anytime a flock cam heart is installed,

[1:40:53] there's a process called deconfliction.

[1:40:55] And you have to deconflict with all the other police departments

[1:40:57] that have a camera so that your camera does not join us in the area.

[1:41:02] And I understand it, but it's not just where we would de-conflict with Ms. Runzwick.

[1:41:09] There are county and state law enforcement agencies that also have placement of cameras.

[1:41:14] For instance, to state police, who is the largest recipient of funds from the grant for ALPRs,

[1:41:21] is the responsible party for cameras on state highways, such as Route 1 to 87,

[1:41:27] at the turnpike, the Parkway, wherever there may be ALPR cameras, they fall into the money

[1:41:34] that was received through Governor Murphy's program for the state highway.

[1:41:42] So that's the de-confliction.

[1:41:43] Don't put one here if there's already one here from another agency.

[1:41:48] So that's part of the whole state program.

[1:41:53] And that design include coordination as to where private cameras are, so, for instance, if a community has a license plate, the data is correct.

[1:42:03] Right. And because there are private communities that need four or five cameras.

[1:42:09] They're not entitled to, they're not entitled to. They're not entitled to the data, only law enforcement can get the data that's retrieved from those privately paid.

[1:42:20] for cameras, but there are, there are, in fact, privately paid for cameras.

[1:42:26] Oh, over there.

[1:42:27] Is that the last one?

[1:42:28] That American one.

[1:42:29] I think so.

[1:42:30] I was going to talk about Churchill Avenue, because my experience is

[1:42:34] weighted very patiently in the back of the room.

[1:42:36] And I can give just a basic answer here.

[1:42:39] One, there are now 23 habitat for humanity homes.

[1:42:45] The majority of them are in the fourth and fifth words.

[1:42:48] There are also a number of them in the second ward and the reason why they are where they are is because that's where the land was that the township owned that were buildable locks that we could give to them.

[1:43:07] We can't give them land that we don't own, and we don't own buildable locks in the third ward.

[1:43:14] We don't own buildable locks in the first ward.

[1:43:18] A regular practice since I became Township Manager back in 2012 is that I sit at various times

[1:43:27] with the planner, Mark Healey, and we go through the entire inventory of vacant land

[1:43:34] that the township owns to determine if it is of some use to us and if it is capable of being

[1:43:41] build it on a built on and if there's a lot of different factors that go into that and if

[1:43:48] and we have provided that list of locks that can be built on that the township owns and we've given

[1:43:59] at least to habitat for humanity.

[1:44:02] And over time, they have gone through that list

[1:44:05] and they've employed their professionals

[1:44:07] to make a determination as to whether their professionals

[1:44:10] feel it's a buildable lot, meaning it has sufficient building

[1:44:15] envelope outside of wetlands and all of the things

[1:44:19] that go along with a dangerous professional civil engineer.

[1:44:23] And they make that determination in this particular case

[1:44:26] And why I appreciate that it is a 50 by 185 or 185 foot lot, there are other homes in your

[1:44:36] neighborhood that are on similar sized lots, especially those across the street from you.

[1:44:42] So that, and I don't want to get into that because one of the things I just want to warn is that

[1:44:47] if in fact the plan for habitat for humanity for this parcel will be that when we

[1:44:55] the property to them their next step is to develop a plan.

[1:45:00] And to bring to the Board of Adjustment, which this statute Council can't comment on.

[1:45:05] So that's, you, you said it, and when you were up at the microphone, and you were absolutely 100% correct.

[1:45:11] Your next step, and anyone else who lives in the neighborhood, is when that application is made to the zoning board, to attend the zoning board, and make your feelings hurt.

[1:45:21] This is something that if the zoning board denies the application, then habitat for humanity, will tell the township they're going to deed the property back to us.

[1:45:31] That's how this would work.

[1:45:34] So there's no commentary on any application or anything like that because there's the

[1:45:40] quasi-judicial board that has to make an independent decision, but that's where it would

[1:45:46] go.

[1:45:46] So you're right about that.

[1:45:49] Mr. Rullocker.

[1:45:50] I just have a question.

[1:45:51] We're being asked to vote specifically on what related to Habitat was a first question tonight

[1:45:59] because I'm looking for the resolution.

[1:46:01] And the other question is, not a resolution.

[1:46:04] It's an order.

[1:46:04] So ordinance, that's probably probably couldn't find a resolution.

[1:46:07] Thank you.

[1:46:09] So I just want to know, I'm not here to judge the house.

[1:46:12] I'm a big support habitat humanity.

[1:46:14] But what is the zoning in that area?

[1:46:20] I believe that it's our 10, 10, or 10.

[1:46:24] OK, 10, OK.

[1:46:26] It's all in square for a lot.

[1:46:27] Right.

[1:46:27] And our 10, which is a 10,000 square foot lot.

[1:46:30] and this is just under 10,000.

[1:46:32] Well, that's what I was saying.

[1:46:33] OK, that's what I was just getting out of this,

[1:46:35] because we're not here to make decisions for the zoning board,

[1:46:38] but we're voting, we need to be comfortable and what we're voting on.

[1:46:41] So it is indeed our 10, because the numbers of sounds like a lot of locks,

[1:46:47] or like our 20, but it is our 10, and this one is basically at the board.

[1:46:52] And that's up to the zoning board to deal with.

[1:46:54] $5.50 by $195.00.

[1:46:56] I did while I'm close.

[1:46:58] $1,000.00.

[1:46:58] Yeah, okay.

[1:46:59] $1,700.25.

[1:47:02] And just stuff.

[1:47:02] It's worth a lot in art.

[1:47:04] I don't want to ask the audience.

[1:47:06] But I know, legitimate concern is off street parking.

[1:47:13] And that's up to how it's designed and how they don't even

[1:47:16] board handles it.

[1:47:18] But you block.

[1:47:18] I'm sure there's room.

[1:47:19] But my question.

[1:47:20] The other ones usually, and I've seen a few on the 50 foot wide,

[1:47:25] in the fourth and fifth, which I represent,

[1:47:29] it's not mandatory that they have off-street parking,

[1:47:32] but this would be a lot that would allow mandatory that they have off-street.

[1:47:38] Well, I don't want to speak for the zoning board.

[1:47:40] I'm telling you that the issue is if they have to get zoning ordinances, they have to go to the zoning board.

[1:47:49] They have expressed interest in this property.

[1:47:51] It is of no use to the town.

[1:47:53] got it. We have no use for it. It's in fact I would consider a new sense property because

[1:47:59] it at things on this property have caused damage to neighboring problems.

[1:48:03] Don't have to oversell. And that's why I just wanted to make sure to do what the zoning was.

[1:48:07] To improve the parcel. But if there's a reason why the zoning board would deny it,

[1:48:15] we're not here to discuss it. I just want to know what the zoning was in the size of a lot.

[1:48:19] Thank you for the clarification.

[1:48:22] I have a couple of questions, man.

[1:48:24] Sure.

[1:48:26] So actually, I was hoping that director would be here.

[1:48:29] But Bob, I'm going to be dependent on you to answer these two questions.

[1:48:34] So there were some comments about that.

[1:48:37] The block camera's costing taxpayers a lot of money.

[1:48:41] Can you?

[1:48:42] I already discussed that up until this point.

[1:48:44] It hasn't costed taxpayers, anybody.

[1:48:45] Because it was funded by a grant.

[1:48:47] from the state of New Jersey specifically for a statewide ALPR program. Very good. The second question

[1:48:54] that I have is we've heard a lot about different boxes. Is it possible to check individual boxes

[1:49:05] and let's say in 2020 sex to see how many of those detection was associated, for example,

[1:49:14] but the people that they had not done their registration and so forth and how many of them

[1:49:20] were there?

[1:49:20] Thank you, table of that.

[1:49:22] Was that?

[1:49:22] There's a table that shows.

[1:49:24] So is that public information that we can maybe make it available for people to see how these

[1:49:31] cameras have been helpful in solving some crimes or so forth?

[1:49:37] I'm not sure that would answer that question in my opinion it should be, it should be available to the public.

[1:49:48] I'm not an Oprah expert.

[1:49:51] I don't think there's an issue when you're talking about raw data like that of being.

[1:49:58] Because it's a rolling 30 months.

[1:50:00] That's 30 days. That's one of the issues with the transparency page. It's a rolling 30 days. So it changes every day, right? It's a new 30 day period.

[1:50:07] If you wanted to take a moment and time a snapshot of periods of time, I think that that could be done.

[1:50:16] And it would say, in the month of May, there were 357,000 hits. And here's what they were.

[1:50:28] And it's going to be cat, it would be categories, these were motor vehicle violations, these were missing persons, these were cry, and I think that there's probably some ability to do that based on what I've learned from the people, but the mayor seems to know more than me because he got a first-hand demonstration.

[1:50:48] I know people in the police department exactly.

[1:50:53] And Mr. Singh has been extremely eager to have a

[1:50:59] fact, a flock, a flock, wow.

[1:51:02] I thank you.

[1:51:05] To explain these kinds of things.

[1:51:10] And we're going to uncheck some of the boxes,

[1:51:13] and we need to explain which boxes we're going to uncheck.

[1:51:17] Again, it's very complicated.

[1:51:19] I want to move on Mr. Walker asked about sidewalks.

[1:51:23] I'm not in a game-fen direction and she did.

[1:51:26] Oh, but everyone I want to know.

[1:51:31] What do people do when there's an on the...

[1:51:33] They'd come today, send a notice to the Public Works Department,

[1:51:36] either through the website for the website request form,

[1:51:43] or they contact them by phone.

[1:51:45] And something is a mess away.

[1:51:47] I'm here to just make a comment.

[1:51:49] I'm going to talk to the police for a minute.

[1:51:51] Go ahead.

[1:51:53] So I was in Canada the summer.

[1:51:56] I spent a few weeks to visit my daughter.

[1:51:59] And so one of the things that I saw in their sidewalks

[1:52:01] is that there was some blocks that were a little bit higher,

[1:52:06] potentially for tripping.

[1:52:08] But they had done shaved that.

[1:52:09] So there was basically eliminated the kids from falling down

[1:52:13] when they are skating or right and right.

[1:52:17] So I brought to a scholarship manager

[1:52:20] the station as well.

[1:52:21] So I'd like to follow up on that shift.

[1:52:23] There's a way that we can kind of shave those.

[1:52:30] We have found no contractor or reference

[1:52:36] to any type of correction to sidewalks and anything

[1:52:42] that we have at our disposal, both Carl Halk, the Public Works Manager, and I looked

[1:52:48] into finding someone or something, and so I'll tell you what, Deputy Mayor, send me the

[1:52:57] town that you were in.

[1:52:58] I was in an Ottawa.

[1:53:00] Oh, okay.

[1:53:01] So, I mean, so I, I guess, pictures of, so if you have pictures sent them to me, because

[1:53:05] I would love to talk to the Ottawa Public Works Department now, obviously, a much larger city

[1:53:10] than Franklin Township, and perhaps they bought heavy-duty grinding equipment, but I don't know.

[1:53:15] I don't know where it is going either, Mr. Mayor, but I seem to be straight off top of

[1:53:19] the answering questions. I'll look into two maybe. I do have the answers to another question,

[1:53:25] Mr. Mayor. Oh, go ahead. Okay. So, the nice lady from 12 Winchester. There you are,

[1:53:33] right in front of me. No, 1222. I'm sorry, 1222. I can't read like that. That's right.

[1:53:37] That's where I was going next.

[1:53:39] Canobus, dispensary, I write here on the right down the street.

[1:53:43] So it's interesting, the cannabis dispensary here

[1:53:47] is one of what we have set by ordinance.

[1:53:51] There was a lot of concern by council

[1:53:53] as the cannabis businesses began to explode here in our town.

[1:53:58] And they capped it in 18.

[1:54:02] We exceed 18 right now.

[1:54:03] I think we're down to 21.

[1:54:05] two of them have gone out of business. Some have not yet opened, for instance, this one here at the corner has not yet opened.

[1:54:15] So it is a total of licenses of right now I believe 21 valid active.

[1:54:23] This is where there was a zoning board hearing for this business.

[1:54:32] And so I like you having difficult time wrapping my head around this, sometimes that's why

[1:54:37] I kind of want to be the one to answer this, because I don't, I won't look to my left.

[1:54:43] I voted no when there was a vote in this state for cannabis because I didn't think it

[1:54:48] should be legal, but I lost and we have to live with the fact that the majority of the

[1:54:53] people in this state voted to legalize it and we did.

[1:54:56] And that made it a business like every

[1:55:01] And this location is what they call a pre-existing non-conforming use. It's been a business since the 1920s, when there were gas pumps out there. And when it's a pre-existing non-conforming use, pretty much any business cannot occupy that space. And the state has no laws about distance from schools or anything like that.

[1:55:28] So, it's a legal business in a legal place, and that's why it's being allowed there by the zoning board.

[1:55:36] But they have to interpret, pre-existing, non-conforming, whenever that situation exists, because it is actually in an R40 zone.

[1:55:46] So, your questions are good.

[1:55:49] That's, I think, the answers that you were looking for as far as numbers are concerned.

[1:55:54] So revenue is so we collect 2% of all their net income, I'm sorry gross, gross, gross income.

[1:56:09] We collect 2% of all the gross income from most cannabis businesses, meaning there's dispensaries, there's wholesale operations,

[1:56:20] there's cultivators, manufacturing is 1% everyone else is 2% and thus so far

[1:56:29] this year and I'll look over and maybe he'll not at me because I send them to

[1:56:34] Mr. Bowman for publication. I believe as a result of the second quarter we are

[1:56:41] at about the $600,000 range which means we're probably being about the the

[1:56:47] 1.2 million dollar range for the year, for the calendar year, in revenue tax revenue from those businesses.

[1:57:00] So yes, and that tax revenue, the council has made the decision and I believe as the manager who prepares the budget to write decision,

[1:57:08] that that is general fund revenue it is just general tax revenue it is treated

[1:57:14] no differently than the tax revenue that we collect from you as a homeowner it

[1:57:19] goes into the general fund for use in the next year's budget

[1:57:27] I think that was

[1:57:28] all the ones that oh noise so traffic it what is the traffic signal there to be

[1:57:34] perfectly honest with you I don't anticipate that's a busy belly it was a bike

[1:57:38] shop before there's a hair salon there I don't anticipate that this will

[1:57:42] increase traffic in any significant way.

[1:57:45] Just looking at the way that others are,

[1:57:47] I pass one on my way to work and back every day,

[1:57:50] and I have a background in traffic

[1:57:51] for my days in a police department.

[1:57:53] I would not anticipate that that business

[1:57:55] will increase the traffic over its current uses.

[1:57:59] Noise, 10pm, you're absolutely right.

[1:58:02] It's 10pm, I think the director heard you loud and clear.

[1:58:06] Noise, the noise ordinance is clear,

[1:58:09] that anything that's heard from a 200-foot distance is a violation.

[1:58:17] This is the real property line thing went away.

[1:58:21] If you're having a party and I can hear your party 200 feet away,

[1:58:24] you're a violation.

[1:58:26] And that's what the ordinance says, and it's in plain English.

[1:58:29] We wrote it that way, so it was not difficult to interpret

[1:58:32] by both the people enforcing it and the people having to enforce it on them.

[1:58:36] So 10 p.m., after 10, they're a violator, and I agree with you, and I will emphasize that again in private when I'm in private.

[1:58:51] Think I got them all Mr. Mayor.

[1:58:53] I think we're done.

[1:58:55] I have one comment.

[1:58:57] Absolutely.

[1:58:57] About the solar panel, the balcony.

[1:59:00] So I'm just one, I'm a big proponent of solar panels.

[1:59:04] I have them in my home.

[1:59:05] great, I didn't feel the pinch of the, what is that, that rate increase of a PHNG this year,

[1:59:14] because I don't pay electric bills. So it's a good bill. I think people would start to use it,

[1:59:22] especially people living in apartments and those who cannot really put solar panels on their home.

[1:59:28] But please make sure it is UL-3700 compliant.

[1:59:32] just don't go and get something from Amazon, and that is not, you will 3700 complaint.

[1:59:38] Well, and you talk about it, if you, so that this is a good segue, you made a comment about

[1:59:44] not being able to have solar panels on your roof. Some people who live in HOA properties,

[1:59:50] things like that can have solar on a roof, a pool of an apartment, it can have solar on your

[1:59:55] right, but you can, in a way. If you go to our website

[2:00:00] And go to the community solar programs that are operating here. Community solar gives you the opportunity to reap the benefits of solar, and not have it on your roof.

[2:00:17] Most of those solar panels are located on the various warehouses in large manufacturing facilities that we have here in town.

[2:00:26] And that's a program that the state BPU started.

[2:00:31] It allows these solar communities solar companies

[2:00:37] to install these solar panels on the roofs of these big buildings

[2:00:41] and then offer the benefits of those solar panels

[2:00:46] to the residents who live in the town.

[2:00:49] So it's on our website under special programs,

[2:00:51] I think, as where it's set.

[2:00:53] And if you're interested in that, you should explore that it can give you a benefit on your electric bill.

[2:01:00] It's not third party energy aggregation or anything like that.

[2:01:04] It's just a benefit that you repon your bill.

[2:01:08] And it's available to anyone.

[2:01:10] There's no income requirements.

[2:01:14] So on our website.

[2:01:17] Just to close, I think Councilwoman Woodeen is going to have a session on balcony solar act very

[2:01:28] soon, and she's going to give you more information on all of that.

[2:01:39] I think that's it for addressing the public comments.

[2:01:45] Time for Council comments.

[2:01:46] it's nine o'clock and we haven't started the business of the meeting. How about if we do a two-minute

[2:01:53] council clock in the objection?

[2:02:01] Yeah.

[2:02:04] Are you starting with me first? Yes. All right. How yield you 15 seconds?

[2:02:10] I love you, Robin. Real quick on the point that noise I understand that for the world, the

[2:02:15] temperature management was on the schedule because that was the thing I had to fight for in the

[2:02:21] the noise and we have to beat them up on that system. So I understand that very well.

[2:02:28] Also, when the tax is of a kind of this issue, I'm like my colleagues, I want to go the other way.

[2:02:35] I thought that we could use that money for social action programs. As our attorney will tell you,

[2:02:41] I emailed him and asked him about things that I could use the money for, but we put in our

[2:02:46] Council of Treasury, and I would prefer to have to put it in programs that benefit

[2:02:51] to be on choice of words, that we could use for social programs.

[2:02:58] But that's the whole other bottlenecks there.

[2:03:02] Also, coming up, something near and dear to me, it's called System Assistant there, annual

[2:03:10] walk in the park.

[2:03:13] The 21 years, the systems have a run walk for like what our community together to celebrate

[2:03:20] survivors, honor loved ones, and stand the sun, and stand the sun, and stand the sun,

[2:03:25] and wind, and friends, impact the water, and race cancer.

[2:03:29] Some walk in celebration of survivorship, some walk in memory of someone they love.

[2:03:34] I was walking because they believed every woman deserves support, compassion, and hope.

[2:03:39] throughout the West Cancer Treatment.

[2:03:43] It will be held Saturday, October 3, 2021,

[2:03:48] and Columbia Park here in Summester.

[2:03:51] Now, welcome to the program.

[2:03:54] Donate County, 14 that will go out and raise the money together.

[2:04:03] And I'll give you the website.

[2:04:04] It is asked to ask number two, ask to ask C and J dot order.

[2:04:13] Again, ask, ask, ask C and J dot order.

[2:04:19] Also, being a cancer survivor, it's very important to me.

[2:04:23] So this is something that I think we should all go out and do because it benefits us.

[2:04:30] And that Mr. Mayer is all I need to say.

[2:04:36] Thank you.

[2:04:39] Oh, and we're also fighting for the middle push part because we have a lag time in the scoreboard

[2:04:49] and the equipment that operates the scoreboard from the booth.

[2:04:55] So we've got to work on that.

[2:04:56] we're going to talk more than to get back in in the way the stop is proven.

[2:05:02] I'm reaching for my gavel.

[2:05:12] Councilman on the Chaka.

[2:05:14] Councilman Vesner.

[2:05:16] Okay, real quick, that solar thing, that solar thing.

[2:05:19] I know that's not the right way to say it.

[2:05:21] The idea that you don't have to get involved in the utility company.

[2:05:25] don't have to get permits and you don't have to do this actually something that anybody can

[2:05:30] go and take advantage of. Those are great environmental initiatives and I hope we see more

[2:05:35] of those that don't involve towns and specialists and consultants and contractors and just simple

[2:05:40] things people could do if they choose to make the investment and I'm sure you'll push the push that

[2:05:46] out including so people do it right even so there's not a permanent involved you want to be safe.

[2:05:52] Franklin Day coming up Saturday 26 big day. I think we have one more meeting before then, but

[2:05:58] Should we don't so still please we do okay bottom line. Gonna have a lot of stuff going on

[2:06:05] Relvented Franklin to 50 celebrations and all the other stuff we usually have so please that's a few weeks from today

[2:06:12] Mondays a Hamilton meeting. We didn't have one in August. If you're interested in what's going on Hamilton Street Mondays Hamilton board meeting

[2:06:20] And the only I want to mention was that everything that was concerned was brought up, and I think

[2:06:26] well that, thank you, Council, and Manager in the attorney.

[2:06:30] 9-11, I notice a lot of talk about liberties and loss of freedoms, but I just want to

[2:06:35] reflect for a minute for those who couldn't see, we had a wonderful celebration, acknowledgement

[2:06:41] today, said, but acknowledging what 9-11 was about in the six people we lost in this

[2:06:46] ownership. I knew only a couple, but we lost six people. I'm sure it's going to be

[2:06:53] on probably through Franklin Port or other areas if you want to watch it online. It was

[2:06:57] short, but beautiful ceremony.

[2:07:01] Don't forget, 25 years, some people knew what it is. We're

[2:07:04] not born, must you were. Maybe we're younger. Just remember what it was, and hopefully we'll

[2:07:11] never have to go through anything like that as a country again. Thank you, Mayor.

[2:07:14] Thank you, Councilwoman Francois.

[2:07:18] Good evening, everyone.

[2:07:20] I sit on the Youth Service's Commission and there happens to be a really good program.

[2:07:24] I heard about, so I just want to let people know.

[2:07:27] It's called a strengthening families program.

[2:07:30] It's free for Franklin Township families with children 12 to 17 years old.

[2:07:36] Believe it or not, it's first Baptist Church that is sponsoring the program.

[2:07:41] They're able to give $450 for families that complete the program.

[2:07:48] The program starts on October 1st, and it runs for 11 sessions.

[2:07:53] They have to arrive at 530 p.m. for dinner, and then the program starts at 6 o'clock.

[2:07:58] And the program is offered through a partnership with New Jersey Prevention Network, and

[2:08:02] this grant money was made possible funded by the CDC.

[2:08:06] I think it's a wonderful program and hopefully we'll have some families that will take

[2:08:11] of any of it.

[2:08:12] This is an opportunity for families to have 11 weeks of interactive family sessions.

[2:08:18] I think I'm going to get extra support from family advocates.

[2:08:21] They'll have childcare for younger siblings.

[2:08:24] They'll give family dinner every night, once a week, each week.

[2:08:28] I think it'll be a nice program for families to connect to all I have Mr. Mayor.

[2:08:33] Thank you.

[2:08:34] Thank you.

[2:08:35] Councilman embarrassed.

[2:08:37] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[2:08:38] I was away in India for three weeks or I really don't have much to report except that

[2:08:44] I attended the Suraj Authority board meeting virtually from there at 430 AM, which is a 630 here.

[2:08:57] Anyway, I have one announcement to make.

[2:08:59] So we have the annual Diwali celebration coming up October 3rd.

[2:09:05] That's the festival of light, so that is celebrated throughout the world.

[2:09:09] So we have been doing that for the last five years and this year, the same place, October

[2:09:14] 3rd.

[2:09:16] We are changing the hours to 3 to 6 p.m., and we are making a small change on the food.

[2:09:22] Instead of giving it away free, we are going to do a fundraising on behalf of a food-fanking

[2:09:29] food bank, so the proceeds will, our restaurants donate the food, we're going to fundraise

[2:09:37] and give them money to the food bank this year. That's all I got, Mayor.

[2:09:43] Thank you. It comes to woman again.

[2:09:45] Thank you. Good evening, everyone. So a lot of moments have taken place in our community over the past

[2:09:50] few weeks and I want to highlight those, I want to do those last time but we got a lot going on.

[2:09:58] So a couple of weeks ago I'll stir my stack.

[2:10:00] Second, community meet-up, which right here at the council chamber, bringing some of the residents

[2:10:05] together for conversations about ideas, issues and concerns. The discussions were around the

[2:10:11] roads, the sidewalks, traffic, public safety, and our master plan that's coming up for

[2:10:15] renewal. So those discussions will continue occurring. The second thing I want to mention

[2:10:21] is, as you know, our governor recently signed the Garden State balcony Solar Act. So a couple

[2:10:26] months ago, the Environmental Committee Commission and the Township's staff, including our

[2:10:30] fire prevention and a few residents, have been working on a solar education presentation,

[2:10:36] which we have just finalized and I hope to bring it before council next time, along with

[2:10:41] a small demonstration.

[2:10:44] And third year, I'm hosting another scam prevention seminar with our Franklin Township Police

[2:10:48] Department at the Renaissance Adult Community.

[2:10:51] Later this month, talking about seminars, we have done multiple seminars regarding property

[2:10:55] tax relief and thanks to our staff and our Assemblyman Joe Danielson who's also here on hosting

[2:11:01] these important seminar so encourage our residents to look into New Jersey or NJ Save every

[2:11:08] dollar of relief matters and finally our children are back to school so please slow down and

[2:11:15] stale for our school buses when that stop sign is out flashing lights you stop you stop please it's

[2:11:24] really important. I've seen a lot and reported so please make sure you stop. That's all I have. Thank you.

[2:11:30] Thank you, Councilman Singh. So three things to cover this evening. One, we had my first

[2:11:39] award community meeting a couple of weeks ago and I had a privilege of posting that community along with

[2:11:46] our mayor, our public safety director, and our representative from the Board of Education

[2:11:52] more than 80 residents joined us, and we had a candid conversation on some of the topics

[2:12:00] that we've talked about today.

[2:12:01] I've talked about taxes, we've talked about public safety, they proposed NEC Compressor Station

[2:12:08] in a backyards.

[2:12:09] So, the point is this is not the only avenue to come and talk and discuss your concerns

[2:12:16] that are many other avenues, Councilwoman Yudin, just did her community meeting in the

[2:12:22] second ward.

[2:12:23] I did one in the first ward, so the dialogue will continue.

[2:12:28] There was an event that I attended that was really well organized by the Youth Center, Council

[2:12:35] Thank you for pointing me to that.

[2:12:39] This was a couple of weeks ago,

[2:12:41] the highlight was we gave a very

[2:12:42] hundred school backs to local children

[2:12:45] that was made possible by a non-procure organization

[2:12:49] in a township called Karma Junction.

[2:12:53] And it was managed by a high schooler

[2:12:58] as their youth leader for the non-procure organization.

[2:13:01] super excited to see young people stepping up, super excited to see our students and our

[2:13:09] youth leaders making a difference for other young people. And lastly, I do want to congratulate

[2:13:14] the task force, the residents from the First World and many other residents who have stayed

[2:13:20] the course and fought the NEC compressor station over the last 12 years. I'm one of them.

[2:13:26] and this vacation of the water quality certification is something that gives a lot of who

[2:13:36] went to ourselves and we will continue to state a course and thank you for everything that you

[2:13:41] guys have done as a pleasure.

[2:13:46] Thank you. Deputy Mayor Krasi. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and good evening,

[2:13:55] everyone. So I have really a brief one so we had to advise here at Board of Health.

[2:13:59] We have a visitor who came and spoke about the Medicaid fraud.

[2:14:06] There was a senior Medicare Petrol of New Jersey, which I didn't know about it.

[2:14:12] And some of the information that she shared with us was there's $60 billion Medicare fraud each year,

[2:14:21] which is of course impact and taxpayer because we support our paying for it.

[2:14:25] And we are planning to invite them to senior citizens' clubs.

[2:14:33] We have, you know, usually 80 or so people come.

[2:14:37] We want them to hear because senior citizens are the main group that they are victims of this fraud.

[2:14:44] So that's one thing that we will do.

[2:14:46] The other thing we discussed was, hopefully, having some sort of a monitoring,

[2:14:52] the air quality monitoring around the town to better understand the impact of

[2:15:00] Air quality, hopefully we'll get some data on the health issues and take steps to help the

[2:15:09] do improve the health of our community. So those are the two main items that we discussed.

[2:15:15] That's all I have Mr. Mayor.

[2:15:17] Thank you. I was fortunate enough to attend Mr. Petaznik's swearing-in as the peak commissioner

[2:15:26] very exciting. I gave me the opportunity to speak to the governor and I spoke to her about

[2:15:33] Nessie. She was here about three months ago at Elizabeth School and I had 30 seconds with

[2:15:42] her and I spoke to her about Nessie. It was an amazing decision in our favor. I'm really excited

[2:15:52] about it and the flight continues.

[2:15:56] I've also written a letter to the AG and to copy to Mr. Danielson about the ALPRs.

[2:16:11] Three years, keeping the data is too long.

[2:16:15] That needs to be shortened, and I also present the idea of keeping it for X amount of

[2:16:21] But a shorter amount of time, the first month or two, you can query it the way they normally do.

[2:16:30] But after that, you need a warrant to get at it.

[2:16:34] And the other thing is, we have stricter audits than these state requires.

[2:16:40] State requires once a year. That's not enough.

[2:16:43] We do it quarterly with a random monthly audit now and again, and I think the state needs to tighten that up because other places are getting at our data.

[2:16:59] Only from that, there are only new Jersey places, no federal places, but they do have new Jersey places have access to our data.

[2:17:09] We want them to be auditing as frequently as we do.

[2:17:13] That's what I have. Good timing.

[2:17:19] Approved of the minutes.

[2:17:21] How about me?

[2:17:23] I haven't skipped me in a while, but there it is right there, says, manage your

[2:17:27] township.

[2:17:28] Approved of the minutes.

[2:17:30] Number nine.

[2:17:32] I have several a township events that need to be announced in

[2:17:35] while I appreciate Councilman Vassanella, notifying the public of Franklin

[2:17:40] Day Festival upcoming.

[2:17:41] He failed to notify where it was or when it was or the hours of it.

[2:17:46] I don't leave something for you.

[2:17:48] So that's my job and it is on Saturday, September 26th, here in the Municipal Complex from noon to five.

[2:17:57] So we hope that everyone can come out.

[2:18:00] The day before, also something that I believe Councilman Vassano has an involvement with,

[2:18:06] the Youth Mental Health First Aid Training will be offered on September 25th.

[2:18:10] The Franklin Township's stigma-free council is partnering with Empower Somerset to host

[2:18:16] a youth mental health first-day training on September 25th, offering community members

[2:18:21] and important opportunity to learn how to identify and respond to signs of mental health

[2:18:26] and substance use challenges in young people.

[2:18:29] The free six-hour course provides practical skills to support children and adolescents aged

[2:18:35] 6 to 18 and guide them toward appropriate care when they may be experiencing a crisis or

[2:18:41] developing a mental health concern.

[2:18:44] So I recognize that this is on a Friday, this is geared towards, perhaps, professionals,

[2:18:50] however, parents, grandparents, anyone who wants to attend, you just need to register online,

[2:18:57] it is in the banner of our homepage.

[2:18:59] So if you're interested in attending this from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the Community Senior Center

[2:19:05] on the 25th, go and sign up because pre-registration is required and so that is that Franklin

[2:19:16] Day and then for those who are interested in community solar, catch up home page, departments

[2:19:23] and that'll be a pull down and go to special projects and it's on the home page for special

[2:19:29] projects if you're interested in community solar.

[2:19:32] That's what I have, Mr. Mayor.

[2:19:34] Thank you.

[2:19:35] Approval of the book.

[2:19:37] Thank you.

[2:19:38] Approval of the minutes.

[2:19:40] I present the following minutes,

[2:19:41] Township Council, for their approval.

[2:19:46] The work session,

[2:19:48] regular meeting of August,

[2:19:51] my August 11th,

[2:19:54] 2026,

[2:19:55] to have motioned on the minutes.

[2:19:57] So moved.

[2:19:58] Seconded.

[2:19:59] Anyone have?

[2:20:00] Any changes they want to make? Any spelling errors? Madam Clerk.

[2:20:07] Councilman of Arreston.

[2:20:09] Yes. Councilwoman, Francois. Yes. Deputy Mayor Corazzy. Yes. Mayor Cramer. Yes. Councilwoman O'Nijaka. Yes. Councilman Singh. Councilwoman O'Nijaka.

[2:20:20] Yes. Councilwoman O'Nijaka. Yes.

[2:20:30] Councilwoman O'Nijaka.

[2:20:32] and 30 cents on September 8th, 2026 are presented to the Township Council for Payment to have a

[2:20:39] motion on the Lawrence. Second. Second and anyone have any questions? Full of an item.

[2:20:47] Madam Clerk.

[2:20:52] Councilman in Barerson. Yes. Councilwoman Francois. Yes. Deputy Mayor Corazzy.

[2:20:58] Mayor Cramer. Yes. Councilman O'Neill Jocca. Yes. Councilman Sting. Yes. Councilwoman O'Neill. Yes.

[2:21:04] Council and Vastanella? Yes. Council and right.

[2:21:10] Public hearing and adoption of ordinances on second reading. We have a first reading

[2:21:14] to announce the world that we're going to consider in ordinance.

[2:21:18] And we give a date for a public portion for public to speak.

[2:21:22] And then we vote on whether we're going to pass the ordinance or not.

[2:21:28] ordinance number four five one seven dash twenty six in order to amend the code of council

[2:21:34] bracket county some of the state and the jersey more particularly chapter one twelve land

[2:21:38] development to make various updates regarding clusters of divisions as well as related

[2:21:45] ordinances updates is presented for a motion to move for a motion to move to public

[2:21:52] hearing an adoption on October 13th, 2026 South Chicago meeting at 7 p.m. in the

[2:22:00] Council of Chambers for technical reasons. Madam Clerk, do you want to explain what

[2:22:05] we do?

[2:22:06] I do.

[2:22:06] If I can, yeah, this ordinance, because there is one section of a that

[2:22:10] of resounds, a small portion of property requires individual notice for the public hearing,

[2:22:16] notice for people within 200 feet. So that was not done for this meeting, but it will

[2:22:20] done for the October 13 meeting. So technically we're asking for a motion to postpone the

[2:22:25] public hearing on this until October 13th, there will be a new public notice and a new

[2:22:30] individual email note of that meeting. Okay. So moved.

[2:22:36] Question. Adam Clarke.

[2:22:41] Cancels have been a barrister? Yes. Cancels have been a woman in

[2:22:49] Yes.

[2:22:49] Councilman Singh.

[2:22:51] Councilwoman New Dean.

[2:22:53] Councilman Vassanela.

[2:22:54] Councilman Wright.

[2:22:57] By the way, the clerk explained to me before the meeting what was going on.

[2:23:01] And I looked at her and she said, just read what I wrote.

[2:23:06] So it worked.

[2:23:07] Order number 4518-26 in order and so authorizing the private sale of the

[2:23:12] township owned lands located in Block 173.

[2:23:16] Lots 9 through 10.

[2:23:19] 56 through 58 Main Street.

[2:23:22] Block 180.

[2:23:23] Lots 11 through 11 through 112.

[2:23:27] 29 Coffee Street and Block 95.

[2:23:31] 20, 168 Church O'Live in the Township of Franklin County in Somerset State and New Jersey.

[2:23:37] Habitat for Humanity is present to the public hearing and final adoption.

[2:23:42] The public hearing has been noticed as required.

[2:23:46] Without unanimous consent, I open to the public without objection.

[2:24:00] Are you leaving or getting up to speak?

[2:24:04] You may leave.

[2:24:06] I will do gaffers, I swear.

[2:24:09] OK.

[2:24:13] We're seeing no one coming up to speak.

[2:24:17] I ask you, madam, to consent to close the meeting.

[2:24:20] Close for public session.

[2:24:22] Without objection, madam clerk.

[2:24:25] Mayor?

[2:24:26] We need a motion.

[2:24:27] Sorry, motion to adopt.

[2:24:31] We have a motion to adopt.

[2:24:32] and a second. Mr. Bassanella. Yeah, I had a question.

[2:24:40] The earlier conversation was

[2:24:43] relative to the Churchill Avenue address that was brought up. I just wanted to

[2:24:47] see if we had any dissimilar information about 111-12 because it's street.

[2:24:56] Okay,

[2:24:56] Great. We will.

[2:25:00] Welcome new neighbors soon. Thank you.

[2:25:07] Any other discussion?

[2:25:10] I think what was brought up about 168 Church of Avenue is a concern of mine.

[2:25:15] I'm sorry. I think what was brought up about 168 Church of Avenue is a concern.

[2:25:22] Yes, absolutely.

[2:25:23] It's an introduction.

[2:25:25] No, this is the second reason.

[2:25:26] This is a adoption.

[2:25:28] Yeah, that's why.

[2:25:28] Yeah, no I again. I'm not sure your feelings on it, but that's where I was concerned

[2:25:33] Want to make sure we're not trying to squeeze too much into too little. It's quite a few properties in here

[2:25:39] Well, there are conforming lots like I said, so I understand you're concerned. I'm through my English committee

[2:25:44] I think it's going to be bad at it, and it was determined that these were recommended box. They served like I said, no

[2:25:52] legitimate purpose to capture

[2:25:55] We're not collecting tax on them, they're building lots and habitat, humanity when they build

[2:26:02] the house goes to our Fortal Housing Total for our obligation.

[2:26:08] So I believe in this particular case three more parcels to add to our Fortal Housing

[2:26:14] Wants.

[2:26:16] That's the reason why.

[2:26:17] I'm not against habitat.

[2:26:18] No, no, I'm against habitat.

[2:26:19] But I've been in that area and I see where that lot is.

[2:26:22] I, I, I can both know.

[2:26:24] You're absolutely.

[2:26:25] I, I, I, I just, I, that's the recommendation of staff and that's the recommendation of the

[2:26:29] land use committee.

[2:26:30] And just to be clear, I'm not such a vote, no, but I have concerns, is it, and I, we can't

[2:26:37] speak for the zoning board, I don't, I don't want to, suggest we are, but is it just simply

[2:26:44] part of our land use law that in the art, tan, which I guess is because it's street also

[2:26:49] that off-street parking is required for first spent for

[2:26:53] asterisk requires off-street park.

[2:26:55] I'm sorry.

[2:26:56] The residential site improvement standards requires off-street parking.

[2:27:01] Our ordinance requires off-street.

[2:27:03] So they would have to have off-street parking.

[2:27:05] We'll be required to have a driveway or a garage and a driveway.

[2:27:09] And again, it's at a very, very near what

[2:27:12] the square footage requirement would be for the corporate street.

[2:27:16] Yes.

[2:27:16] Yes. Okay. Thank you. 9,750. We're 10,000 is required. It's 250 square feet off.

[2:27:30] I did the math.

[2:27:33] Can't.

[2:27:36] So, we don't want questions back. We do have a public session on this. We didn't speak

[2:27:43] But we could reopen public session.

[2:27:46] Yes.

[2:27:48] Come to the mic.

[2:27:49] I would motion to reopen public unless you could do it yourself mayors mayors.

[2:27:52] Mayors, that's fine too.

[2:27:54] Second.

[2:27:56] We're open.

[2:27:57] We're open for business.

[2:27:58] I mean they're just again.

[2:28:00] Okay.

[2:28:00] One six four church.

[2:28:01] And just clear the reason I'm doing this is because there was a public session.

[2:28:06] No one got up.

[2:28:08] Maybe you didn't understand the rules.

[2:28:10] So, this is that, don't expect this every time on everything.

[2:28:15] Go ahead.

[2:28:15] I appreciate it, Mayor.

[2:28:16] So, in regards to the habitat for humanity, house that's two doors down from me.

[2:28:24] Can you make modifications to those?

[2:28:26] I understand that you can't once they're built.

[2:28:29] And that neighbor did.

[2:28:31] So, they had one car when they moved in.

[2:28:34] Now they have seven cars.

[2:28:36] And they expanded the driveway, which I was told because I know two people that actually helped build that house

[2:28:43] They were not supposed to do that. So I'm like they have seven cars most of them luxury cars

[2:28:48] So I was like, how do they need affordable habits that?

[2:28:52] So that's not for me to close it. So this is to keep it. Yeah, I'm just I just want to know can you modify those homes because if you can't

[2:29:01] So it's just one that they're trying to build right next to me

[2:29:03] So let me cut to the chase so can you modify these people own the home like any other like you own your home

[2:29:11] You can modify your home as to as to the extent that our zoning ordinance zoning ordinances permit if it's

[2:29:20] Impervious surface if it's locked coverage

[2:29:22] There's all of the things that they would have to comply with and if they don't comply with them

[2:29:28] Then they would have to go to the zoning board to get a variance just like you if there's

[2:29:31] The habitat through humanity home is just a home.

[2:29:35] Someone owns it, right?

[2:29:36] And the people, they have the deans, they have the deans, they have the deans, they have

[2:29:40] a mortgage, they pay their mortgage, the deans in their name, and when they are done paying their

[2:29:44] mortgage, they own home.

[2:29:46] And they can sell it like any other house.

[2:29:49] Okay, so they can modify it to the extent that the zoning ordinance is allowed.

[2:29:55] And you mentioned that there was another home that modified their driveway.

[2:29:59] Bye.

[2:30:00] Then you have my email address, then email me that address, because without a permit, you can't increase the size of your driveway.

[2:30:08] So if they didn't get a zoning permit, then they would be in violation, and then the zoning department can address it.

[2:30:14] So it's like any other park, I mean, but your street allows parking. So if your street allows parking, then on street parking is permitted.

[2:30:23] Oftentimes people get upset when their neighbors park in front of their house.

[2:30:26] It's a public street and there is no law and we cannot enact a law that says you can't park in front of your neighbor's street.

[2:30:34] It's a public street.

[2:30:35] No, no, I'm just saying I understand. I'm just saying we can't regulate.

[2:30:39] Yeah, we can't regulate where they park.

[2:30:43] Yeah.

[2:30:44] If it's a public street and parking is perfect.

[2:30:46] So that particular lot, brothers, parents, they stand here basically.

[2:30:52] They parted just for a minute to pick up their children because that's a school drop-off at church Hill and

[2:30:58] In the other place

[2:30:59] So I work from home, so I could see all this going on. I would hate for a home to be there and those parents have no way to pick up their kids

[2:31:07] And also whoever moves there

[2:31:09] I know it's just not gonna be one car

[2:31:11] Well, I understand and I understand multiple families in that house. It is gonna be an issue

[2:31:15] I understand your concerns and all I can say is it now

[2:31:18] I don't know that

[2:31:20] someone building a house that the deciding issues or things like bus stops.

[2:31:26] Bus stops can be moved, they'll have to move down the street, whatever it is.

[2:31:29] To truth is, people bring vehicles to bus stops.

[2:31:32] That's not the way bus stops are supposed to operate in neighborhoods like yours.

[2:31:37] The kids are supposed to go to the bus stop and wait for the bus.

[2:31:39] But everybody's parents once have their kid in the car now.

[2:31:43] So that's a problem throughout the town.

[2:31:45] Not just there. I appreciate that problem. It is a problem. I agree.

[2:31:49] Thank you very much.

[2:31:51] You're welcome.

[2:31:54] We have a motion in a second and any other discussion.

[2:32:00] Madam Clerk.

[2:32:01] Councilman embarrassing?

[2:32:03] Yes.

[2:32:04] Councilwoman Francois?

[2:32:06] No.

[2:32:08] Deputy Mayor Karazzi?

[2:32:09] Yes.

[2:32:10] Mayor Cramer?

[2:32:11] Yes.

[2:32:12] Councilman O'Neill?

[2:32:13] Yes.

[2:32:14] Councilman Singh?

[2:32:15] Yes.

[2:32:16] Councilwoman O'Neill?

[2:32:18] Councilman Vassanella?

[2:32:19] Yes.

[2:32:21] Councilor Ryan?

[2:32:22] Yes.

[2:32:26] We're in the sun introduction and first reading ordinance capital ordinance appropriating

[2:32:29] $1,380,000 from the open space trust fund to pay for the construction of improvements

[2:32:37] to in the acquisition of equipment from Catelpa Park in the township of Franklin County.

[2:32:44] It's summer set State of New Jersey 4 going on in represents the Township Council

[2:32:48] for adoption and first reading posting and publication and accordance with law and public

[2:32:52] carrying and final adoption at a meeting at the Township Council to be all done Tuesday,

[2:32:58] September 22nd, 2026 at 7pm in the Council chambers.

[2:33:03] So we have a motion to introduce.

[2:33:05] So moved.

[2:33:06] Second.

[2:33:07] Move the hand second.

[2:33:08] Any discussion?

[2:33:10] I am a question.

[2:33:13] Just to clarify for the public, this is coming from the trust fight.

[2:33:20] So there's two things that need to be clarified.

[2:33:22] The first is that yes, this money will come from the Open Space Trust Fund, which is

[2:33:27] specifically intended to be used for things such as development of parts.

[2:33:32] The other thing is that's not how much the park is going to cost.

[2:33:35] The consent agenda is the award of a contract for the total amount of the park, which

[2:33:41] I have to tap on my head if I could look, but if someone is curious, I think it's in the neighborhood of $9 million.

[2:33:49] And this ordinance will supplement previous capital ordinances out of the open space trust for design and development of the park.

[2:34:01] there's that much left of previous capital ordinances so that those

[2:34:10] monies can be used. And this is the final amount for the total of the contract award.

[2:34:19] So this is part of the part of a larger number. Yes, this is part of the total. Correct.

[2:34:24] 9 million. In addition to what we have since 2015 there have been a number of capital

[2:34:31] ordinances passed by Council for the design and development of the park.

[2:34:36] We are now at the point where we're going to award a contract for the total construction

[2:34:41] of the park and we need this additional money to be able to award the contract.

[2:34:46] Can't award a contract without funding in place.

[2:34:49] That's why you'll do this and award the contract.

[2:34:52] Save time.

[2:34:56] Yes, everyone this year, I want to say I think as part of it.

[2:35:02] And I believe this part of the wonders for the people in the area. So, how hard is the idea? I can count the parties definitely in the mix at number 14A, and if you go through the resolution, it's number 4, and the fact that the party's party's party's party's party's party's will actually cost with the vote in the spokesperson company, A855.

[2:35:26] So, definitely we need to put this on the board. It's been too long. And I think you

[2:35:34] can't put it all in for me.

[2:35:38] The my comment is, this park was an issue when I first ran for mayor against Mr. Kelly

[2:35:45] in 2015, who finally getting to it. Any other discussion? Madam Clerk.

[2:35:53] Councillor Nebelerson.

[2:35:57] Councillor Will Bin Fencewell.

[2:35:59] Yes.

[2:35:59] Deputy Mayor Colossian.

[2:36:00] Yes.

[2:36:01] Mayor Cramer.

[2:36:02] Yes.

[2:36:02] Councillor Nounicacca.

[2:36:03] Yes.

[2:36:04] Councillor Mounicino.

[2:36:06] Councillor Nebelerson.

[2:36:09] Councillor Ben Wright.

[2:36:10] Yes.

[2:36:10] Councillor Jenem.

[2:36:11] The Adams.

[2:36:11] A through A L.

[2:36:14] Aye.

[2:36:15] Aye.

[2:36:16] Aye.

[2:36:16] As listed in the consent of Jen DePortion, the meeting representative,

[2:36:20] to have a motion on the consent agenda to move.

[2:36:28] Do I have a second?

[2:36:30] Second.

[2:36:31] Within second.

[2:36:32] Any discussion?

[2:36:33] Anyone like to pull an item?

[2:36:35] Who is the manager?

[2:36:39] No.

[2:36:40] No discussion.

[2:36:40] Madam Clerk.

[2:36:42] Councillor Bain and Barerson.

[2:36:43] Yes.

[2:36:43] Councillorwoman Francois.

[2:36:45] Yes.

[2:36:45] Deputy Mayor Carasi.

[2:36:46] Yes.

[2:36:47] Mayor Cramer.

[2:36:48] Yes.

[2:36:48] Councillor Nunichaka.

[2:36:49] Yes.

[2:36:51] Councilwoman Dene, Council Investor Nella, Council of Nairi.

[2:36:57] So, resolutions to be voted on separately, 26-390, authorizing Franklin Township to enter

[2:37:05] into a settlement agreement with Transcontinental Gas Pipeline Company, LLC, Transco.

[2:37:13] with respect to commendation, action filed in the United States District Court of New Jersey.

[2:37:22] Number three, Colin 36-CV-0018 is presented to the Council for Adoption.

[2:37:31] To have a motion.

[2:37:34] So move.

[2:37:35] Second.

[2:37:36] Move in second.

[2:37:38] Discussion.

[2:37:44] So, just describe the settlement.

[2:37:49] This mayor, this is a settlement, and I just want to thank Ms. Powell for her comments tonight.

[2:37:58] This is related to the Nussie Project, but it is, the federal government has given transco-the

[2:38:04] ability to condemn property in the township.

[2:38:08] The FERC certificate, and I want to make this clear, has two parts to it, one is to give them.

[2:38:14] Condemnance, eminent domain.

[2:38:15] And eminent domain, take the property by eminent domain, so I'm sorry.

[2:38:21] And the FERC certificate that was issued, it was 40 pages long, but it had two parts to it, one that with the ability to exercise eminent domain.

[2:38:32] And the second was their ability to actually build a project.

[2:38:35] The certainly the lawsuit that Miss Powell talked about today impacts that part of it,

[2:38:42] but asked to the federal lawsuit with regards to the eminent domain action.

[2:38:51] The touch of his race, you know, every defense that we can, including the fact that there

[2:38:54] was a third-circuit court of appeals case pending, and the federal court still granted

[2:38:59] the property to transgos.

[2:39:01] So this case is now only about what the value is going to be paid to the township.

[2:39:06] This value is just short of 20 times what they offered.

[2:39:12] And the recommendation from the law department was to settle the case, take the money,

[2:39:18] you know, the township has already had some discussion about the purposes that the money

[2:39:20] would be used for, but it's just in the best interest that the taxpayers would do this.

[2:39:25] But if the decision of the E.P. is upheld, and if the E.P. actually never issues the permit, the project doesn't get built, and we just keep the 600,000 dollars.

[2:39:37] So, given that, because we're in an unusual situation, we'd like to add to the agreement that they have helped pick a number 30 days to sign otherwise.

[2:39:51] This is off the table.

[2:39:53] I'm going to add that to the agreement.

[2:39:54] Mayor, you and I had that decision earlier.

[2:39:56] Yes?

[2:39:56] Well, I will.

[2:39:58] That won't count so to know that that's what they're going to do.

[2:40:02] We're just going to require them to execute the agreement and pay the funds within 30 days.

[2:40:10] Understand that we can do that, but I do have a federal judge that I have to deal with here.

[2:40:17] So I need to get papers filed in a federal court. I need to get the judge to sign them. I need to get that all to happen also.

[2:40:24] So I just, we need to do that, but we're going to try,

[2:40:28] we're going to start with trying 30 days

[2:40:30] and then we'll work on the judges timeline.

[2:40:32] Right, and the reason we're doing this is,

[2:40:35] because Nessie is like Chuckie, just keeps coming back.

[2:40:40] Well, the amount of, and not a legal term that I'm

[2:40:46] familiar with, but that's OK.

[2:40:49] The most important thing that we need to know

[2:40:52] we sit here today is, as a result of the federal court action, they own the easement.

[2:40:57] The only issue here is not whether or not they get the easement.

[2:41:00] The only issue here is whether or not it's how much money they paid.

[2:41:03] So, it's like every eminent domain action that there is, you know, usually we're on the side

[2:41:08] of it.

[2:41:09] So, this is just about making the right business decision with regards to the cards that we

[2:41:14] were dealt by the federal government.

[2:41:16] It must be known if for any reason the judge, you got to deal with the men's timeline, do we have to come back and vote on this again?

[2:41:25] No, we're just making sure.

[2:41:26] We're going to settle it.

[2:41:27] And at this point in time, as far as I'm concerned, we have a settlement once you guys got it.

[2:41:33] The camp like a Greece to it.

[2:41:36] Okay.

[2:41:36] We'll sign it and provide it.

[2:41:38] If they, for some reason they decided that they were going to stall, I would go to court to enforce this.

[2:41:42] Okay.

[2:41:42] Thank you.

[2:41:43] So the only thing I'll add to it is obviously I've been very conflicted on this issue for some of

[2:41:50] days.

[2:41:51] But we understand this is regardless of the outcome of this ten plus year protest, there

[2:42:01] money that can be received by the tongue to regardless of the decision. The idea is not to,

[2:42:14] the tongue to be very supportive of this effort and I appreciate it. I don't think we are

[2:42:20] saying that

[2:42:24] we stop to continue to support the protest. That's not what we are saying. What we

[2:42:30] saying is there is money that can be reasonably old to the township and we don't want to leave

[2:42:36] that money on the table is that that's that's that's correct okay we know

[2:42:45] now I'm clerk

[2:42:49] councilman embarrassing yes councilwoman friends for the be more

[2:42:53] corazi yes mayor crema yes councilman on each other yes councilman saying councilwoman who

[2:43:01] Yes.

[2:43:03] Yes.

[2:43:06] Resolution 26392, authorizing stormwater detention facility maintenance agreement, IITIL, executive

[2:43:15] drive, LLC, 1 through 1 through 3 executive drive, block 469, lots, 1.03, 1.04 and 1.07.

[2:43:28] on site detention basin and associated stormwater pipes and structures to present to his

[2:43:36] presensitive township council for adoption, do we have a motion?

[2:43:42] So move.

[2:43:42] Second it.

[2:43:44] Move within second.

[2:43:46] Any discussion?

[2:43:48] Madam Clerk.

[2:43:49] Councilman embarrassing.

[2:43:51] Yes.

[2:43:51] Councilwoman Francois.

[2:43:53] Deputy Mayor Corrosy.

[2:43:55] Mayor Cramer.

[2:43:56] Yes.

[2:43:56] Councillor Nunni Chaka?

[2:43:57] Yes.

[2:43:58] Councillor Nunni Chaka?

[2:43:59] Yes.

[2:43:59] Councillor Nunni Chaka?

[2:44:01] Yes.

[2:44:03] Councillor Nunni.

[2:44:03] Yes.

[2:44:05] Board committee's commission vacancies, anyone have an nomination?

[2:44:12] Hearing none.

[2:44:14] There wasn't an executive session scheduled.

[2:44:17] I think we've nothing to do now.

[2:44:19] It's not needed now, so.

[2:44:21] Yeah.

[2:44:22] We, um, to have a motion to adjourn.

[2:44:27] Second.

[2:44:27] move in second at all in favor say aye aye opposed say nay motion is carried we are a

[2:44:36] adjourned be well frank limit

Franklin Township Council Work Session/Regular Meeting September 8, 2026

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