[0:00] underway. Were you uh welcome to all

[0:02] members of the public who are here. We

[0:04] also welcome Chief our fire chief

[0:06] Willis. She'll be presenting to us this

[0:09] evening. Also welcome um Commissioner

[0:11] Kamalu has joined us this evening. And

[0:14] let me think I Who's here from the

[0:17] animal shelter? Here's our animal

[0:19] shelter presenters. What's your name?

[0:21] >> Michelle.

[0:21] >> You're Michelle. Okay, welcome Michelle.

[0:23] We'll be hearing from her, too. So,

[0:25] thanks all in attendance and to the

[0:27] council. Um Mark uh Kotrrell is excused

[0:31] tonight. He's out of town. So we will

[0:34] call it to order. This is a regular

[0:36] meeting of the city c Fruit height city

[0:38] council. Somebody say genie. Did I miss

[0:41] something? Uh Tuesday August 18th um 910

[0:45] South Mountain Road. And um we will

[0:49] begin with a pledge of allegiance which

[0:51] I will lead. Then we'll have a prayer or

[0:53] a thought provided by Gary and then

[0:56] proceed to roll call. Please join me and

[0:58] stand.

[1:02] » Please begin. I pledge algiance to the

[1:05] flag of the United States of America and

[1:09] to the republic for which it stands, one

[1:12] nation under God, indivisible, with

[1:15] liberty and justice for all.

[1:19] >> Thank you.

[1:22] Our

[1:25] dear kind heavenly father, we're

[1:26] thankful for the opportunity to meet as

[1:28] a city council and having our residents

[1:32] come and participate in our meeting. We

[1:35] ask thee to bless us as we go throughout

[1:39] our meeting tonight and our agenda that

[1:41] we will have thy guidance and that we

[1:44] will have a spirit of uh cooperation and

[1:48] learning. We ask for thy favors, thy

[1:50] blessings in the name of thy son Jesus

[1:52] Christ. statement.

[1:53] >> Amen.

[1:54] >> Thank you, Gary. Haley, roll call.

[2:00] » Um, council member Gary Anderson

[2:02] >> here.

[2:03] >> Council member Markell,

[2:05] >> excused.

[2:07] >> Um, council member David Hill

[2:08] >> here.

[2:09] >> Council member Eileen Moss

[2:10] >> here.

[2:11] >> Council member Blake Winslow

[2:12] >> here.

[2:12] >> Mayor Jeannie Groberg

[2:14] >> here. Thank you. Number two is

[2:16] declaration of conflicts of interest.

[2:18] Having looked over the agenda, are there

[2:20] any council members who uh should

[2:22] declare a conflict of interest this

[2:23] evening?

[2:25] Okay, thank you. Seeing none, we'll go

[2:28] to reports. Council reports. Let's um I

[2:32] never remember which end we started at

[2:34] with last time, but we'll start here. Do

[2:36] you have any report for us tonight,

[2:37] David?

[2:37] >> Nothing to report this time.

[2:39] >> Okay, very good. Gary,

[2:41] >> uh nothing to report. Lots of lots of

[2:43] emails and stuff to go over, but nothing

[2:46] to go go over here.

[2:48] >> Great. Eileen, I don't really have

[2:50] anything tonight. Thank you.

[2:51] >> Okay, Blake.

[2:52] >> Yeah, I've just got one thing to report

[2:54] on with the um legislative policy

[2:56] committee. We're in the interim session

[2:58] right now for the next today and

[3:00] tomorrow. Um and a number of pieces of

[3:03] legislation that will be affecting well

[3:06] proposed, put a big old asterisk next to

[3:09] it. We don't know for sure how things

[3:10] will proceed forward, but a number of

[3:12] things in the land use space that we'll

[3:15] be watching closely and see how they pro

[3:17] proceed forward, but nothing to report

[3:20] on on that send on that side today. But

[3:23] other than that, that's it.

[3:24] >> Perfect. Thank you. And for everybody's

[3:26] information, the Utah League is uh is

[3:29] our our strongest um lobbying effort and

[3:34] uh group that we belong to at the Hill.

[3:36] and Blake and myself and Darren attend

[3:38] all the regular meetings, but Blake has

[3:40] the extra mile and volunteered to be on

[3:42] this housing subcommittee. So, he is um

[3:45] doing a great job representing our

[3:46] little city in those in those talks.

[3:49] Thank you, Blake. Um U mayor report be

[3:53] brief. I want to recognize we had an

[3:56] employee of 26 years with the city who

[3:59] is retiring I think actually as of the 1

[4:02] of September, right? We had a little

[4:04] farewell kind of congratulation and

[4:06] thank you party this last week for Ted

[4:08] Perry. And if any of you know him, he's

[4:11] been working most recently on our storm

[4:14] drains that I think started in parks and

[4:16] has done many things. Am I right on that

[4:18] Darren? Throughout the 26 years. And so

[4:20] just a public note of appreciation for

[4:22] him. He's not one who likes to be up

[4:25] here and and personally stand and and

[4:28] get that attention, but I want to

[4:30] publicly recognize and thank him. So,

[4:32] thank you, Ted, for your service and

[4:34] your hard work for our city all these

[4:36] many years. Um, also just by way of

[4:40] information for the public, um, an email

[4:42] that just came in tonight from Blake

[4:45] Moore's office, our congressman, he will

[4:48] be, um, conducting,

[4:51] um, town halls, uh, in our county the

[4:54] next several days. I really only paid

[4:57] attention to the Davis County one, which

[4:58] is Thursday. this Thursday. If you'd

[5:00] like to go to talk with him, ask him

[5:03] something, whatever you'd like to, it's

[5:05] in Clearfield, and I'm sure that

[5:06] information can be found easily on his

[5:08] website. But for the record here, I'll

[5:10] state it's in Clearfield this Thursday

[5:12] from 12 to 1:30 at the Clearfield Arts

[5:15] Center, 140 Center Street in Clearfield

[5:18] if you'd like to make contact with our

[5:20] congressman. That is all I'm going to

[5:22] say for my report tonight. We'll get on

[5:24] to staff reports. Lane.

[5:27] >> Um, Geneva Rock, they've they've been

[5:30] they've started the street maintenance

[5:32] project. They've lowered all the

[5:33] collars. They'll be here the beginning

[5:35] of next week to start milling the roads

[5:38] and then start paving them uh mid next

[5:41] week. So, it's it's going and it should

[5:43] be completed by September 15th.

[5:46] >> Awesome. Are you speaking of all the

[5:47] roads that were in that project at the

[5:49] same time?

[5:50] >> Yep.

[5:50] >> Okay. Everybody probably that lives on

[5:53] those are sort of aware by this point.

[5:56] >> They they've delivered flyers and and

[5:58] everything.

[5:58] >> Yeah, for sure. They're aware obviously,

[5:59] but they can see things happening right

[6:01] now. So, great. Sounds good. Thanks for

[6:03] that update.

[6:04] >> Um Darren,

[6:08] » uh I was just going to let the council

[6:09] know that uh I'm starting to prepare for the audit that will be

[6:14] starting next month, most likely the

[6:16] middle of next month. So,

[6:17] >> you're like, "Oh, good. Is that that

[6:18] time already?"

[6:19] >> Yeah. So that'll be that'll be getting

[6:21] ready to happen. So

[6:22] >> you're either in an audit or you just

[6:23] finished one. There's not much of a

[6:25] break in between, right? Feels like

[6:27] anyway. Great. Thank you.

[6:28] >> And then the one other thing is we do

[6:31] have the pickle ball courts out for bid

[6:33] right now. So

[6:35] >> okay, we will hopefully probably have

[6:38] that as an item next time. Possibly.

[6:41] Actually,

[6:43] >> what what is the first meeting in

[6:45] September?

[6:46] >> The first of September. It'll have to be

[6:48] the second meeting in September

[6:51] >> because the bids have to be out

[6:52] certainly.

[6:53] >> Yeah, the bid we the open bid is on the

[6:55] 3rd of September. So,

[6:56] >> okay. All right. So, those are two

[6:59] meetings for that one. Thank you.

[7:02] Um All right. Proceeding to number four,

[7:05] a public comment period. This is a

[7:07] period where any member of the public

[7:08] may address the council and we will

[7:10] listen. Um there are or it may be you

[7:15] may address council on any topic whether

[7:17] on the agenda or not. Please limit your

[7:20] comments to three minutes. Um we limit

[7:23] the the entire public comment period to

[7:25] 30 minutes at the most. Um unless every

[7:28] single one of you wants to get up

[7:29] tonight. We probably won't have a

[7:30] challenge with that. But um please limit

[7:32] to three minutes and please state your

[7:34] name and address um as you begin. Uh,

[7:36] anyone public comment period is now open

[7:39] if you would like to um address the

[7:41] council. Commissioner Kamalu.

[7:46] >> Yes.

[7:50] Thank you so much, Mayor Groberg and

[7:52] council and everyone attending tonight.

[7:54] Um, right here is our animal care

[7:57] director, Michelle Hicks. She's

[7:58] fantastic. Here's the office manager of

[8:01] animal care. Happy for them to be here

[8:04] tonight with you. and they'll they'll

[8:05] talk more. I can't stay the whole time.

[8:08] I'm going to leave some of my cards

[8:10] which have my cell phone on it. So, I'm

[8:12] one of the three county commissioners. I

[8:14] live close. I live I even do dog walking

[8:19] up in this area and bike rides up in

[8:21] this area. So, I live really close. Um,

[8:24] you can reach out to me anytime on any

[8:27] subject of the county. You can text me

[8:31] to my cell phone and share your name and

[8:33] share what the topic is that you have

[8:36] questions about and I can text you back

[8:39] and I can also call you and we can find

[8:40] a time you can come into my office um in

[8:44] the county building too. I meet with

[8:46] folks. I love that. Um I think local

[8:49] government is a big deal. That's where

[8:52] we get most all of our services is

[8:54] through our city and through our county.

[8:56] So, um, just a I have even family who

[9:00] lives in Fruit Heights. Some people have

[9:02] heard me say that before. Um, you're a

[9:05] special community. So, to not take much

[9:08] time, really truly uh take advantage of

[9:11] my card. If we run out of cards, then

[9:14] Mayor Groberg has my cell. I know

[9:16] Council Member Mos has my cell. I'm

[9:19] pretty public with my cell because it's never been really abused in a bad

[9:23] way. people have genuine interest and I

[9:26] love that. So anyway, thank you again

[9:29] for your service. Thanks for being a

[9:31] great community. I appreciate Fruit

[9:33] Heights very much, the sister city to

[9:35] Cisville.

[9:36] >> Thank you.

[9:41] » I'll put the cards over here.

[9:42] >> Perfect.

[9:45] Thank you, Commissioner.

[9:51] Okay, seeing no other

[9:53] um

[9:56] members of the public who would like to

[9:57] speak, we will go on to number five,

[9:59] presentations. 5.1 is animal care of

[10:03] Davis County. So, please come forward

[10:05] and share your presentation with us.

[10:10] Thank you for heights for having me. Um

[10:13] my name is Michelle Hicks. I'm the

[10:14] animal care director. Um I've been

[10:17] working there for a full year now. So,

[10:19] I'm wet behind the ears. If I do more

[10:22] puns, animal bad animal puns, just

[10:25] bear with me. It's part of the job,

[10:28] right? Um Michelle, uh so to Michelle's,

[10:31] our office manager is here. She's

[10:33] actually a Fruit Heights resident and

[10:34] wanted to come today and um share in

[10:37] this presentation with us. So, we'll

[10:38] just go ahead and go through it. If

[10:40] there's any questions, please let me

[10:41] know, but it's kind of an overview, but

[10:43] if you need me to get down into some of

[10:45] the numbers, I'm happy to do so. So, our

[10:48] core community service is our pet

[10:50] adoption, owner surreners, our field

[10:52] enforcement, uh, volunteer and foster

[10:55] programs. Normally here, I would put

[10:57] community cats, but we, you guys don't

[11:00] seem to have a community cat problem, or

[11:02] if you do, we just haven't heard about

[11:03] it yet. Um, but we put in pet food

[11:06] pantry in there. And then emergency

[11:08] readiness, which I can um, talk about a

[11:10] little bit further. On the pet adoption,

[11:12] we is really easy. Um, residents can go

[11:15] to our website or our Facebook at AC/DC

[11:18] Pets or come into our shelter. Uh, we

[11:21] make it really easy on saying yes. We

[11:23] make behavior notes every time an

[11:25] animal's in our care every day. We make

[11:27] some kind of behavior note, whether it's

[11:29] with a volunteer or one of our um,

[11:32] shelter attendants. And so that helps us

[11:35] kind of guide the the adoption process

[11:37] with people that are coming in to um,

[11:39] view the animals and learn more about

[11:41] them. Um, we offer trials with the

[11:43] animals. So, we want to make sure that

[11:45] this is a a appropriate match not just

[11:48] for the people but for the animal as

[11:49] well. So, we offer weekend wax where a

[11:53] resident can take home the dogs for a

[11:55] weekend couple of days and figure out

[11:58] them in their home and if they, you

[12:01] know, get along with the resident

[12:02] animals, if they're getting along with

[12:04] the children. And so we really like that

[12:06] program and to try not to get so many

[12:08] adoption returns where we have them test

[12:12] out. We kind of it's like a library

[12:13] book. We check them out and they can be

[12:15] checked back in or they can be adopted

[12:17] at that time.

[12:18] >> Um and we can also offer assisted meet

[12:21] and greets. So there oftent times that

[12:24] there's another animal in the home,

[12:26] another dog in the home, um say they're

[12:28] adopting a dog, they can come up to our

[12:30] shelter and we can assist the meet and

[12:32] greet between dogs. We don't do cat

[12:34] testing because we never know how that's

[12:36] going to work and currently in our

[12:38] shelter it just doesn't make good sense.

[12:40] We don't have kind of a space for that.

[12:42] Um we do our adoption uh every dog or

[12:45] cat adopted with us receives a spay and

[12:47] neuter, a microchip, their vaccines, and

[12:50] a free year license through our partner

[12:51] DocuPet. And adoption fees are anywhere

[12:54] from $25 uh for small critters up to

[12:57] $200 for puppies and kind of anywhere in

[13:00] between. um our owner surreners. Um not

[13:04] every mun municipal shelter takes in

[13:06] owner surreners. It's not actually a

[13:08] requirement by law, but Davis County has

[13:12] you know that's part of the you know

[13:14] service that we provide and I think it's

[13:16] appropriate service that we provide

[13:18] where owners can for whatever reason uh surrender their pets to us. We

[13:23] do like it to be scheduled just to make

[13:25] sure we're making, you know, we don't

[13:28] have too many animals coming in at the

[13:29] same time or we're not overloaded with

[13:31] animals. So, we do like that scheduled.

[13:34] Um, but it's just really to manage the

[13:36] intake. We, it is a judgment free zone.

[13:39] We're not judging them uh when they come

[13:41] in and and you know, need to surrender

[13:44] their pets. We have Hill Air Force Base

[13:45] on there a lot of the times if they're

[13:47] moving, you know, cities or even states

[13:49] that they can't bring their animal with

[13:51] us. So that we take an owner surrenders

[13:53] there. But there's a number of reasons.

[13:55] Housing is a big one. Um that we try to

[13:58] do uh health conditions. There are

[14:01] people that end up in the hospital or

[14:03] you know have kind of a catastrophic

[14:05] incident. And so we always want to make

[14:08] sure it's kind of a judgment free zone

[14:09] and we're just managing the intake. Um

[14:12] there are uh our owner surrender fee is $45. uh very manageable

[14:19] and it just helps with some of the costs

[14:21] when the animal gets brought brought in.

[14:23] And then if there are services or

[14:25] resources that we can provide the person

[14:27] um before owner surrendering and after

[14:30] if they need housing stability or say

[14:33] that they want to owner surrender an

[14:36] animal because they think they have to

[14:38] go to a the hospital for a month and

[14:40] they don't have anybody to take care of

[14:41] their animal. We also have resources. We

[14:43] partner with an organization called Ruff

[14:45] Haven which actually takes their animals

[14:48] in longer term um than we can provide.

[14:51] And so there's lots of resources that we

[14:52] can provide the residents. Um community

[14:55] pet support um is our primary goal. We

[14:59] want to make sure that the pets are

[15:00] healthy and in their homes. Um can you

[15:04] go to the slide one more up for me?

[15:07] Thank you. Um, and we want to make sure

[15:09] that they are, you know, properly cared

[15:11] for. And a lot of the way we do that is

[15:14] through field enforcement. Um, I'll get

[15:16] into the numbers in a little bit, but

[15:17] part of our field enforcement, we have

[15:19] 10 community, uh, animal care officers.

[15:22] One of those being a community cat

[15:23] officer that, uh, go over into the

[15:27] entire county. Um, and so a lot of that

[15:29] is making sure that we're doing welfare

[15:32] checks or nuisance calls or, you know,

[15:34] somebody's dog is barking too much. Our

[15:36] animal care officers will actually go

[15:38] out there, make sure that the animal has

[15:39] food and water, make sure that the

[15:42] animal owner has resources if they need

[15:43] it, and then, you know, talk to

[15:46] specifically on the barking calls, we'll

[15:48] talk to the the person who's made the

[15:49] complaint. if if it's something we need

[15:52] to, you know, provide bark boxes for or

[15:54] some other kind of resources, we also

[15:58] provide that. We have a great volunteer

[15:59] and foster program. I'll talk a little

[16:01] bit more at the end. And our emergency

[16:03] readiness. So, uh, prior to really a

[16:07] week ago, we didn't have an emergency

[16:09] coordinator in our shelter, uh, totally

[16:12] focused on pets. not just the pets that

[16:15] we have in the shelter, but pets that

[16:16] are in the homes of all of you um and

[16:19] all of your residents. And so hopefully

[16:22] um you know, with this new position, um

[16:24] we are going to be able to, you know,

[16:26] work with the emergency operations um

[16:29] director at the at the Davis County

[16:31] level. There'll be state resources and

[16:33] all that other stuff that comes along

[16:34] with that. So hopefully by the next time

[16:36] I come back, we'll give you more

[16:38] information kind of about our plan and

[16:40] our SOPs on that stuff. So that's great.

[16:42] I have actually have a question about

[16:44] that. So, is it the intent that like if

[16:46] there's a let's say a wildfire in the

[16:48] area that that this person will go in

[16:50] and actually contact people, make sure

[16:52] that their their like livestock and pets

[16:54] are taken care of.

[16:55] >> It it will be a livestock and pets and

[16:58] yeah, so we need to be able to house

[17:02] those animals. So, say I mean there was

[17:04] a a fire up in uh Fruit Heights not too

[17:06] long ago. It thankfully

[17:09] was shut down very quickly. So, that was

[17:11] great. But yes, so we'll have places for

[17:13] them to go or uh optional sites where

[17:16] they'll be able to take the animals into

[17:18] this optional site until they can figure

[17:19] out um what to do or where they're going

[17:23] or you know that kind of stuff or if

[17:25] it's just for the night just in um what

[17:28] do they call it when you just evacuate

[17:29] really quickly and

[17:31] >> and hopefully help with that but also

[17:33] get them resources to where their

[17:35] animals need to go. there. Um there was

[17:38] an organization that actually gave uh

[17:40] the Red Cross a a really good monetary

[17:43] donation recently and so we're hoping to

[17:45] tap into that as well. But yes,

[17:47] resources for all of those incidences.

[17:49] Yeah.

[17:49] >> Great.

[17:50] Um okay, we can move to the next

[17:53] one.

[17:54] >> Oh, we're we're going to get on to that

[17:56] with the next page. Thank you. Yeah. So,

[17:58] our pet food pantry, um people are

[18:01] struggling. There's a a lot going on.

[18:03] Um, and so if we can take kind of one

[18:05] thing off their um, list, we try to do

[18:08] that. Say that they don't have enough

[18:10] money um, or uh, uh, access to and from

[18:15] someplace, we have a pet food pantry

[18:17] that's entirely donation based. Um, we

[18:19] have an Amazon wish list that people can

[18:21] um, donate food from or a lot of the

[18:24] times people are just bringing it in.

[18:26] And if you need help for the month or a

[18:28] couple of months, please come in. We'll

[18:30] get you a bag of dog food, cat food, and

[18:32] uh make sure that the animal gets kind

[18:34] of the care that they need while you're

[18:36] kind of going through that hard time. Uh

[18:38] >> are those needs all met through

[18:40] donations?

[18:41] >> The the pet food.

[18:42] >> Pet food.

[18:43] >> Yes. All through donations. So, we have

[18:45] actually fantastic community that I I

[18:48] don't even know. We called um because we

[18:51] were running out of blankets and towels

[18:53] and we use blankets and towels all day

[18:55] every day. And the amount of blankets

[18:57] and towels that we got was insane. Like

[18:59] our entire attic is filled right now and

[19:02] like the shelter attendants are folding

[19:04] everything up and making sure that they

[19:05] So we're going to be good on blankets

[19:07] and towels for like a year.

[19:09] >> So we don't currently

[19:12] no more.

[19:12] >> Yes.

[19:17] » Yeah. Is that right?

[19:21] » Yeah.

[19:23] We we have a fantastic community. So, um

[19:27] uh our lost and found directory, if you

[19:29] ever um come AC or come across a lost um

[19:33] animal or if you are lost your animal,

[19:37] we have a great directory. So, if the

[19:39] animals that come into our shelter that

[19:41] are strays, we post them all over the

[19:43] internet. We post them on our Facebook

[19:44] page. Um, and we have this great

[19:46] community that kind of just shares them

[19:48] in all of the little ancillary

[19:50] neighborhood um, Facebook pages as well.

[19:53] And then we have um, great uh, website

[19:56] that also you can go and post your lost

[19:59] dog or post a found dog or cat or animal

[20:02] that people will be able to kind of

[20:04] review that. What I will say though is

[20:06] that those are great. it. There's nothing wrong with coming into

[20:11] the shelter just to get an eye on all of

[20:13] the pets there because somebody may have

[20:15] gotten a bad picture or there's, you

[20:17] know, not the right side because I'm

[20:18] like, I know my dog has a black splotch

[20:21] on the left, you know, the left cheek,

[20:24] but it's a picture on the right cheek.

[20:25] So, there's nothing wrong with coming

[20:27] into the shelter just to do a quick view

[20:29] of that. And then I've already t kind of

[20:31] talked about emergency response. Okay,

[20:32] we can go to the next.

[20:37] And um these are kind of your guys'

[20:40] stats um for Fruit Heights specifically.

[20:43] Um and this is specifically with our

[20:46] field um services team. So all of our

[20:49] animal care officers, this is what

[20:51] they're doing in your community. Uh it

[20:54] comes up to about 1.5% of the the

[20:57] services that the ACOs do. And you guys

[21:00] are about, if the math was correct, and

[21:02] I'm not saying that it was, but you guys

[21:04] are about 1.5% of our duties with Fruit

[21:08] Heights. And I think per capita that is

[21:11] sits about right.

[21:12] >> So how long is this period?

[21:14] >> This is actually from January to June of

[21:16] this year.

[21:16] >> Okay. Six months.

[21:17] >> Six months. Correct. So we've had seven

[21:19] adoptions. Um 22 bite investigations.

[21:22] That's actually your top metric. That is

[21:24] not unusual. That's pretty much the top

[21:27] metric for every city as we were doing

[21:29] this. So, that is not unusual. Um, 15

[21:32] park patrols and that number is probably

[21:34] a little bit higher. If you notice our

[21:36] nuisance calls about halfway through the

[21:39] beginning of the year, we were putting

[21:40] park patrols in the nuisance calls, but

[21:42] that didn't make sense. It wasn't a

[21:43] nuisance. And so, we kind of uh pulled

[21:47] that one out and now it's just

[21:49] specifically to our park patrols.

[21:50] >> What's the difference between a nuisance

[21:52] call and a bark patrol? Nuisance calls

[21:54] are like barking, somebody's walking

[21:56] without at a leash. People residents

[21:58] calling in about another animal that's

[22:00] kind of being a nuisance to them,

[22:02] whether it's in their neighborhood, in

[22:03] their park, or anything like that.

[22:06] >> So, not not a bark because I

[22:08] >> park a park patrol.

[22:09] >> Oh, park patrol.

[22:10] >> Park patrol. Yes.

[22:11] >> Park.

[22:12] >> Yes. Park patrol.

[22:14] >> Oh, no. Park. Yes. Sorry.

[22:16] >> What's the difference?

[22:17] >> Yeah. But a park patrol is not as a

[22:19] result of a phone call. It's Is that

[22:21] what you're saying? Yeah. park patrol,

[22:22] they actually go to your go to your

[22:24] parks and your trails and actually see

[22:27] people talk to people that have their

[22:29] dogs in the parks. Um, we'll get to it a

[22:32] little bit later, but there are uh times

[22:34] when dogs are off leash or they're

[22:36] running the trail off leash or anything

[22:37] like that. So, that's what we try to get

[22:39] out and educate the the general public

[22:41] on those things during during the park

[22:43] patrols. Um, the So, you'll notice that

[22:47] we've had seven adoptions, but also

[22:49] seven owner surreners. That's also not

[22:52] uncommon and um to have kind of

[22:54] adoptions and owner surreners around the

[22:56] same amount um in in the smaller cities.

[23:00] Um animal versus animal is actually when

[23:02] animals are fighting each other. Um and

[23:05] then owner assists. So we'll go to the

[23:07] person's home and help them if they need

[23:10] help taking a um a dog into a car or

[23:14] getting them to a vet or having them

[23:15] come up to the shelter. That's kind of

[23:17] the owner assist. Wellness checks is

[23:19] somebody's just calling and saying, "I

[23:20] don't think this dog has water or I

[23:22] don't think that this animal's being

[23:23] well taken care of." So, that's a a

[23:26] wellness check. Agency assists is when

[23:28] officers will call us and to help us to

[23:31] help with a something on scene, whether

[23:35] it's a car accident, a DUI, or you know,

[23:38] an unfortunate situation in the home.

[23:40] That's kind of where our agency assist

[23:42] comes. And again, community cats at 0%.

[23:45] What I will say is, you know, our

[23:46] shelter is in Fruit Heights, so you guys

[23:48] have 100% shelter access. It's super

[23:50] close. It's super nice that we're in

[23:52] your backyard. I personally love it.

[23:54] Can't beat the Can't beat the uh view

[23:57] from my office that I don't let anybody

[23:59] else see. It's my view. So,

[24:02] um this is just kind of a quick

[24:04] distribution of the services versus the

[24:06] county and kind of some percentages on

[24:08] that. Um small footprint, um high

[24:11] access, and we have focused field

[24:13] responses for that. So,

[24:15] >> um, does your officers do anything with

[24:17] wild animals like like raccoons or

[24:19] things like that?

[24:19] >> We are specifically our our the laws

[24:23] surrounding wildlife is is not ours to

[24:26] take on. Um, we are specifically

[24:28] companion animals only. Um, I do have

[24:31] information raccoons is something that

[24:33] we used to do, but there are many many

[24:36] reasons why we don't do raccoons and I'm

[24:38] happy to kind of share those talking

[24:39] points with um, you all. I I don't have

[24:42] them here with me. Um but no wildlife

[24:44] calls we would um forward them to the

[24:46] wildlife

[24:47] >> DWR thank you division of wild wildlife

[24:50] resources. So yeah all right we can move

[24:53] on to

[24:53] >> Can I ask one little question what I'm

[24:55] reading here on your bar that says small

[24:58] footprint high accesses

[25:01] 5% of total etc etc from having the main

[25:04] county shelter located within city

[25:06] limits. Does that mean there are

[25:07] satellite shelters?

[25:08] >> There are not satellite shelters.

[25:10] >> Yeah, it's just that the shelter is

[25:12] here. Okay. Thank you.

[25:13] >> Yeah, of course.

[25:15] >> Um, cute picture of Prince Ali. That's

[25:17] actually his adoption photo. He's so

[25:19] cute. Um, I was actually so surprised

[25:21] that that cat stayed long as long as it

[25:24] did. I was like, how is nobody adopting

[25:26] this cat? Anyway, um, this is about city

[25:28] events and employee engagement. And it's

[25:30] just a call for you all. We're happy to

[25:32] come to community events. If you have a

[25:34] founders day, if you guys have a I know

[25:36] they're doing like night out against

[25:37] crime, um, anything like that that you

[25:40] wish us to be a part of, we're happy to

[25:41] be there. We would love to do one or two

[25:43] events with each city each year. And so

[25:47] anything that we can kind of be a

[25:48] partner on or kind of come to, we're

[25:50] happy to do that. Have a resource table,

[25:53] do an adoption event, anything like

[25:55] that. Um the other is employee snuggle

[25:57] time. If you guys want us to bring

[26:00] kittens or dogs, they will all be

[26:02] adoptable as well. Um but if you want us

[26:04] to come to do an event or or a a a

[26:07] employee um engagement event or if you

[26:10] guys we have had some agencies reach out

[26:13] that they want to come in and walk dogs

[26:15] as a team or anything like that. We're

[26:16] happy to accommodate anything like that.

[26:19] So

[26:19] >> Darren, you're ready for a snuggle break

[26:21] with a with a cat or a dog or whatever

[26:25] >> lizard. I don't know.

[26:26] >> If you I mean if you want to wait till

[26:28] next April where the the kitten season

[26:30] is back, we're happy to do that as well.

[26:32] did not know that that was something you

[26:34] did.

[26:34] >> Absolutely. Yeah.

[26:36] >> Okay. Thank you.

[26:37] >> On the next one,

[26:39] >> um so this is just kind of a a

[26:42] recommendation. Um so when we're out

[26:45] doing park patrols, I've asked our ACOs

[26:47] to um kind of look around the park, see

[26:50] the signage, see the if there's way

[26:52] stations. A lot of the times when

[26:53] they're going out to educate um the

[26:56] animal owners, they'll be like, "Well,

[26:57] there was no sign." And so that was like

[26:59] a big thing that they've mentioned. And

[27:01] so I had my officers kind of do a broad

[27:05] search of all of the parks in Davis

[27:07] County. And the two that um they had

[27:09] talked about kind of trying to um uh

[27:12] recommend is Nicholls Park, which the

[27:16] city website states dogs are allowed,

[27:17] but there's no physical signage on state

[27:20] indicating that dogs must be kept on a

[27:22] leash. And that's something that they

[27:24] talk about. Well, they didn't say

[27:26] anywhere and I didn't notice it

[27:28] anywhere. Even though

[27:30] >> I think for all of the parks it's Yeah,

[27:32] it's a countywide ordinance. Yeah.

[27:35] >> So, residents aren't looking at

[27:37] ordinances though, they are looking at

[27:38] signs. I would also say that if there

[27:41] are waste stations, if there are not

[27:42] weigh stations, we should provide way

[27:45] stations for them. It's just an easier

[27:47] way, make it as easy as possible for

[27:50] them for them to pick up after their

[27:52] animals um when they are in the parks.

[27:55] And the other one was Castle Park and

[27:59] that there are no signs posted at all

[28:01] regarding with animals whether animals

[28:03] are permitted and there are currently no

[28:05] way stations available there and they

[28:07] could we couldn't find on the website

[28:09] with whether dogs were um allowed at

[28:13] that park either. Um, and so just wanted

[28:16] to mention that

[28:18] >> by a way station you mean um little

[28:20] doggy bags?

[28:21] >> Little doggy bags in a garbage can.

[28:24] So

[28:24] >> yeah, that's an ongoing

[28:27] >> topic for several

[28:28] >> Yeah.

[28:29] >> individuals.

[28:30] >> It's honestly one of the main complaints

[28:32] that we get is that people are there and

[28:34] they're stepping in all of the fun

[28:37] things.

[28:37] >> You see the baggies all along the path.

[28:40] >> There's a there's a lot of that, too. If

[28:41] you got a dog, take care of the

[28:43] >> bag. You know,

[28:44] >> that that's part of being a responsible

[28:46] pet owner, right? Is making sure that

[28:49] you're cleaning up after your animal

[28:51] >> because honestly, we don't want to be we

[28:53] don't want to be the bad guys and we

[28:54] don't want to have to

[28:56] >> talk to you about picking up your dog

[28:59] excrement. So, yeah.

[29:01] >> Yeah. I think that's part of the

[29:02] responsibility of being a pet owner. You take care of it and don't leave it

[29:06] out there for other people to

[29:07] >> Correct. Correct.

[29:09] Um so this so um becoming a foster or

[29:12] volunteer. We actually have a robust

[29:14] foster program and a volunteer program.

[29:16] Uh we have fosters that um uh foster

[29:20] dogs, cats, snakes, uh we had a bearded

[29:23] dragon, um birds, pigeons, parakeet,

[29:27] like the the list goes on and on. So,

[29:29] what the foster program is, um, is that,

[29:32] you know, regular residents will bring

[29:34] in a dog or a cat into their home, um,

[29:37] kind of get them away from the shelter

[29:38] space. A lot of, there are some animals

[29:40] that do not do well in shelters. There's

[29:42] some animals that rock it. They're

[29:44] totally fine being in a shelter. They

[29:46] love hanging out with all the other

[29:47] animals, but there are some animals that

[29:49] just can't take it. And so, that's where

[29:50] fosters come into play. Um, a and we

[29:54] have a foster coordinator that's amazing

[29:56] and she does really really well and kind

[29:58] of, you know, has this family kind of

[30:01] dynamic with all of them. We have

[30:03] mentors that they're part on this

[30:05] Facebook page that if somebody's having

[30:06] a problem with a cat or a dog, there's

[30:08] other mentors that can kind of jump in

[30:10] and um share information. So, that's

[30:12] great. On the volunteer side, we have

[30:14] volunteers that come in and do um

[30:17] enrichment. They we have one a a

[30:20] gentleman that comes in five days a week

[30:21] and walks dogs for two and a half hours

[30:23] every morning. That's his kind of

[30:24] exercise for the day. And so we have

[30:26] lots of um things that we do with

[30:29] volunteers. This is actually 2025

[30:31] numbers, but in 2025, Fruit Heights

[30:34] residents specifically uh did a little

[30:36] under 300 hours of volunteer work. This

[30:38] does not include the foster program.

[30:40] This just is specific to volunteers. So

[30:43] it's easy onboarding and full support.

[30:45] we'd love to have you uh if you're

[30:47] interested. So, and then other ways that

[30:50] you can get involved without doing, you

[30:52] know, specific foster or volunteers. You

[30:54] can go to the next page. Thank you. Are

[30:56] our sniffabouts and weekend wags. So,

[30:58] sniffabouts, uh you come in and these

[31:01] are specific to dogs. These are not

[31:02] cats, but the sniffabout, you come in

[31:05] again, the checkout, you know, library

[31:06] book, check out a dog for about an hour.

[31:08] You can go get them pup cups, you can go

[31:10] to Lowe's, you can take them on a walk,

[31:12] you can take them on a trail. will uh

[31:15] affix them with a cute little adopt me

[31:17] and you just people talking them and

[31:19] getting kind of out of the shelter for

[31:20] the for the day and then our weekend

[31:22] wags. It doesn't always have to lead to

[31:24] adoption. It could just be you wanting

[31:26] to get the dog out of the shelter for

[31:27] the weekend, right? Couple of days. Do

[31:30] you do that?

[31:30] >> Sorry.

[31:40] » That is inaccurate. Yeah. So, it is it

[31:42] doesn't mean that you have to adopt the

[31:44] dog afterwards. You might want to. We

[31:46] call those foster fails, but you know,

[31:48] if you do anyway, but

[31:50] >> weekend it does not have to be a

[31:52] weekend. It's any couple of days. Yeah.

[31:54] So, that's our cute little Dill. He just

[31:56] got adopted. He's so cute after a

[31:58] weekend wag actually. So, that's um the

[32:01] only other thing I had is that No,

[32:04] that's all actually I had. So, any other

[32:06] questions for you?

[32:08] >> Do you you participate with best

[32:10] friends? So, do sometimes the year you

[32:11] have the free adoption?

[32:13] >> So, we

[32:14] >> How does that how does that work?

[32:15] >> Um, we don't do necessarily free

[32:16] adoptions with Best Friends. Sometimes

[32:18] they will run a program where they'll

[32:21] will where they will give the money for

[32:23] the adoptions um to us, but they haven't

[32:26] done that this year. Um, but they have

[32:29] done it, but we are a network program

[32:30] with them and did reach no kill status

[32:33] uh in 23, 24, and 25. So,

[32:38] any other questions? Uh yeah. So a while

[32:42] ago there was discussion in the county

[32:43] about updating the actual building. Is

[32:47] that still something that's being

[32:49] planned or talked about?

[32:50] >> That is still the plan. I don't have

[32:51] much of an update right now. The

[32:53] architect and Lane, who's our facilities

[32:56] department director, are going through

[32:57] the bid process right now. They I think

[33:00] they just completed it and are now

[33:02] crunching the numbers. then I'll need to

[33:04] go back to commission um because I do

[33:06] believe we'll be over budget no matter

[33:09] how much we've cut it. It is still going

[33:12] to be over budget. The feasibility study

[33:14] in 2023

[33:17] >> three said that we needed a $20 million

[33:19] facility but Davis County only allocated

[33:21] the $16.5 million. So we were already

[33:24] kind of behind the behind the eight pole

[33:26] on that. So hopefully in September,

[33:29] we're bringing it back to commission and

[33:31] I'll I'll give you an an update when I hear from them.

[33:35] >> Okay. Thank you.

[33:36] >> You're welcome. But from what I

[33:37] understand, it's still going to be in

[33:38] Fruit Heights. It's going to be right in

[33:40] front of us. So we'll still have that

[33:42] kind of central location to Davis County

[33:44] and and right in your backyard.

[33:45] >> Thank you.

[33:46] >> So, welcome.

[33:47] >> Anything else, Council?

[33:49] >> Great. Um I have my card if you need to

[33:51] get a hold of me and then I just have

[33:52] little thank you cards with our um QR

[33:55] codes on the backs to our links. So, if

[33:57] you want to take a look at any available

[33:59] animal, you can.

[34:01] >> Sneaky, sneaky. Thank you.

[34:03] >> Thank you. And if it's okay, we'll just

[34:04] head out.

[34:05] >> Sure. Yes, of course.

[34:06] >> Thank you. Let me know if you need

[34:07] anything, Michelle. Thank you for that

[34:09] presentation.

[34:13] » Um, item 5.2, our Farmington fire

[34:16] report.

[34:17] >> Before you guys leave, can I share

[34:18] something with you?

[34:20] >> Yes. Once in a while we'll have animal

[34:23] shelters, ask the fire department to

[34:24] show up. We will happily show up and

[34:26] hold the animal

[34:30] put in a fire truck.

[34:34] » I love that. Okay, great. Thank you.

[34:37] >> Thank you.

[34:39] >> Right. Welcome, Chief Willis. Well, good

[34:42] looking.

[34:42] >> Good morning. Good evening.

[34:44] >> Take it away.

[34:45] >> We're going to do the second quarter

[34:47] data, the second quarter report. And um

[34:50] I just wanted to share at this point

[34:51] I've been with Farmington now 14ish 14

[34:55] months and um things are going great.

[34:58] Absolutely still love my uh love my

[35:00] position and enjoying doing both. So a

[35:03] couple of the slides are redundant if

[35:04] you've seen these before and then

[35:06] obviously there's some new information

[35:07] but same uh same staffing model. We

[35:10] still have a maximum of eight people.

[35:12] Typically we're at eight every day. We

[35:14] can staff three units with that. What's

[35:16] important is we can staff an engine

[35:17] suppression unit, a medic unit, and an

[35:20] ambulance. And we work really hard to be

[35:22] able to do that. Go ahead. Um service

[35:25] delivery. I always do this as well. It's

[35:27] important to know exactly where we're

[35:29] responding to. And as the as the

[35:31] community changes, for example, there's

[35:32] a ton of construction on all of the

[35:34] highways. It changes how we respond. So

[35:37] there is times where we have to make

[35:38] agreements with other cities. We'll go

[35:41] north, they'll go south, etc. so that we

[35:43] can get to each situation sooner. That's

[35:47] typically when it happens on an

[35:48] interstate. And right now 89 is great.

[35:51] I-15 is terrible. Legacy is terrible.

[35:54] So, so far so good. So, emergency calls

[35:57] second quarter. Go ahead. I love to do

[36:00] time of day and I love to do days of the

[36:03] week. I looked back at time of day and

[36:05] day of the week for the first quarter.

[36:07] What was interesting is Thursdays and

[36:09] Sundays were tied for the most frequent

[36:12] calls and then this quarter Sunday

[36:15] trumps everybody which is really unusual

[36:17] that we're getting that many calls on a

[36:19] Sunday. Time of day is exactly the same.

[36:21] We're looking at noon, 2 p.m. and then

[36:23] of course 4,5 and 6 p.m. That stayed

[36:26] pretty consistent.

[36:28] Medical calls, we had 34 in this quarter

[36:31] very similar amongst what we're

[36:33] responding to. cardiac issues, cardiac

[36:35] arrest, falls, canceled in routes, very

[36:38] consistent. And then fires, we have this

[36:42] is the graph looks a little more

[36:44] impressive than what it actually is. The two graphs that are highest is fire

[36:48] alarm and canceled and route. Those are

[36:49] two instances and then the rest are one.

[36:51] So, it's pretty consistent across the

[36:53] board as to what we respond to.

[36:56] Community risk reduction. This is

[36:58] something that we try to really focus

[37:00] on. Um, we're looking at obviously new

[37:02] construction, any any part of the

[37:04] community that's being renovated, but

[37:06] some of the things that we've just put

[37:07] into place is what we call hazard

[37:10] assessments. We have looked at fruit

[37:12] heights, we have looked at Farmington,

[37:13] and where are vulnerable populations,

[37:16] where are populations where we have

[37:18] access, ingress or egress issues, where

[37:21] are uh commercial structures that have

[37:24] chemicals that we should be concerned

[37:26] about. All of our crews are being wa are

[37:28] walking through these particular

[37:30] facilities. So, we know if we go there,

[37:32] these are the things we need to worry

[37:33] about. Just an example, um

[37:36] the the sports complex, the Western

[37:38] sports complex, they can have 10,000

[37:41] people in there at the same time. If

[37:42] there's a fire, that's going to be a

[37:44] huge issue. So, we've walked through,

[37:46] we've trained with their staff. We

[37:48] actually know how to isolate their

[37:49] building. So, if we have to protect half

[37:51] of it and we have to allow half of it to

[37:53] burn, we can do that. We've done it with

[37:55] Cherry Hill. We've done it with Lagoon.

[37:57] We continue to do this and that's

[37:59] something we do. We've made a goal of

[38:01] doing so many per year and that requires

[38:04] our crew to do so many per month. And

[38:06] that's something we'll just constantly

[38:08] evaluate. Okay. So, obviously that's

[38:11] what I was just sharing with you. We've

[38:13] done Lagoon already. We're about to do

[38:14] Lagoon again. They're going to do Fright

[38:16] Nights. So they change their

[38:18] infrastructure and there's what they use

[38:20] if you if you haven't been there in a

[38:22] while. They take pavilions that are open

[38:24] right now and they turn them into their

[38:26] haunted houses and there's five or six

[38:28] which means now these are confined

[38:30] spaces that don't have a lot of light.

[38:32] There's one way in, there's one way out.

[38:33] These are things that we work really

[38:35] hard with to make sure it's safe for the

[38:37] citizens. Okay, so WOOI. Yeah, that's my

[38:40] four-letter word right now. Um you can

[38:42] go to the next slide. Um, so the great

[38:46] part about this is we have some

[38:48] resources. Farmington is fortunate that

[38:50] we have two large brush trucks. We have

[38:53] a rover that goes up in the canyon. We

[38:55] have a water tender. We have used every

[38:57] one of these in the past three weeks

[39:00] consistently. Um, the water tender. We

[39:03] happen to have the only water tender in

[39:05] Davis County that was functional for

[39:07] over a month. So that was made available

[39:09] to all of Davis County. And then we have

[39:12] people in the city that are trained to

[39:13] drive that. We have two brush trucks.

[39:16] One brush truck um was in north north

[39:19] Ogden. They had a a serious brush fire.

[39:21] We went we had one here. We had one

[39:23] there. The next week we were in

[39:25] Washington Terrace. They had a huge

[39:27] brush fire where that gentleman passed.

[39:29] And then last week we went to Henford

[39:32] twice and we did it two o'clock in the

[39:34] afternoon to 6:00 a.m. in the morning.

[39:36] So we kept one here and we allowed one

[39:38] to deploy. And when we deploy units,

[39:41] we're backfilling. So our staffing

[39:43] doesn't change. The way we respond to

[39:45] calls does not change when this happens.

[39:48] The great part about this is because we

[39:50] have partnerships with forestry uh

[39:54] forestry state lands, they actually

[39:56] reimburse us for whatever backfill we

[39:59] have to provide. So it's a great

[40:00] partnership.

[40:02] Yeah. So brush fires July 3rd and I

[40:05] realize this is out of the second

[40:06] quarter, but it's so relevant. And I

[40:08] wanted to talk about we had the brush

[40:09] fire in Wilder's Park that bordered

[40:12] Fruit Heights. We were really concerned.

[40:14] It went really well and they were able

[40:16] to stop that. We were in Davis County in

[40:19] North Ogden. We were in Washington

[40:20] Terrace and then we've been in Henford

[40:22] twice.

[40:23] So the interesting part is some of those

[40:26] fires were caused by fireworks. The

[40:29] governor did something unusual this year

[40:31] where he allowed FFSO to create an

[40:34] executive order that states each city

[40:37] had the right to decide, are you going

[40:39] to ban fireworks? Are you going to allow

[40:41] fireworks? What is that going to look

[40:42] like? So, city manager and I spoke about

[40:45] this. The important part for me was what

[40:49] can we protect and what are we worried

[40:51] about? So, my city allowed me to make a

[40:53] decision and your city allowed me to

[40:55] make the same decision. Do we have a

[40:57] location that's safe to discharge

[40:59] fireworks that we can man and we can

[41:01] protect the surrounding area? We didn't

[41:03] feel like we had a comfortable spot in

[41:05] Fruit Heights. We banned it. We had a

[41:08] great spot in Farmington. We had a huge

[41:10] park that when we discharged the

[41:12] fireworks, it went over the softball

[41:14] fields. So, there was there was really

[41:16] nothing it could burn. So, that worked

[41:18] well for July 4th. we get to um then the

[41:23] second part um of the year, Pioneer Day,

[41:26] where the governor now says the cities

[41:28] can request to ban, but now you have to

[41:32] apply to FFSL and say I want to ban and

[41:35] this is why. And at that point, we

[41:37] thought we've had a little bit of rain.

[41:39] We have a really good idea of what we're

[41:41] going to do. We had fireworks patrols.

[41:43] We had people for 4 days prior to and

[41:46] after traveling all over to make sure we

[41:49] were on top of it. So, we allowed it the

[41:50] second the second holiday and it worked

[41:52] really well. We didn't have any issues

[41:54] in either city. Go on. Other cities did.

[41:58] So, Wilderness Park obviously that was

[42:00] set by some individuals. They were young

[42:03] adults that were um having fun with

[42:05] fireworks and the fireworks got away

[42:07] from them. They bailed. They didn't

[42:09] stay. They knew there was a fire, but

[42:11] other people did stay. were able to take

[42:13] video. They were able to actually locate

[42:16] the individuals that did this. Uh Costa

[42:19] was a group of individuals that were

[42:20] discharging illegal fireworks and that

[42:24] burned that restaurant down.

[42:26] >> Is it illegal?

[42:27] >> Illegal fireworks in that case.

[42:29] >> Yep. So, Leighton had a wonderful um

[42:31] they had areas in their city where you

[42:33] could do in multiple locations you could

[42:35] discharge fireworks. However, the

[42:37] individuals that did this were using

[42:39] fireworks that are not legal in this

[42:40] state. So unfortunate.

[42:44] >> Okay. So on some more fun stuff, we did

[42:46] community engagement which was great. We

[42:48] love doing community engagement. We came

[42:50] here for founders day which is a

[42:51] wonderful event and then we went on to

[42:53] festivals day. Um a couple of other

[42:56] things that we're doing going forward I

[42:58] realize isn't part of the second quarter

[42:59] but um 911 ceremonies. This is the 25th

[43:03] anniversary unfortunately of 911. So

[43:05] there'll be lots of ceremonies that will

[43:07] be coming up in the near future.

[43:09] So the last thing I want to share is

[43:11] what is the focus? What are our goals

[43:13] for the second quarter? This will go on

[43:15] to the third quarter. And I say this

[43:17] every time. I like to focus on

[43:19] efficiencies and effectiveness. And this

[43:20] isn't something that we look at once.

[43:22] Are we continually effective? Are we

[43:25] continually efficient? And if we're not,

[43:27] what do we need to tweak? So some of the

[43:29] things that we look at um you can scroll

[43:32] to the next. In the second quarter, we

[43:35] actually were inspected by ISO,

[43:38] insurance services office. What this

[43:41] does, it's a it's a a United Stateswide inspection of

[43:48] fire departments. We can tell them no,

[43:51] but if we tell them no, they change our

[43:53] ISO rating to a 10. This affects your

[43:56] insurance, whether it's your homeowner's

[43:58] insurance, your commercial insurance.

[44:00] One is the best, 10 is the worst. Today

[44:03] we're a three and in the canyon we're a

[44:05] 3x. And these are the criteria that get

[44:07] evaluated. Uh fire protection. How

[44:10] quickly can we get to the scene of a

[44:12] fire? Get 17 firefighters on that scene.

[44:15] How many engines do we have? How much

[44:16] water do we have? What is our water

[44:19] distribution system? Fruit Heights has

[44:21] an amazing water distribution system and

[44:23] the inspector was extremely impressed

[44:25] with what you do and how you maintain

[44:27] it. How quickly does dispatch get to

[44:30] look and dispatch a call? what is our

[44:32] training like and what is our community

[44:34] risk reduction. So that's why we're

[44:36] doing these hazard assessments. This all

[44:38] boosts our score. We don't know our

[44:40] score yet. It takes 60 to 90 days and at

[44:43] this point we're close to 60 days in. So

[44:46] we should be getting a score soon. That

[44:48] will be made public to to the mayor to

[44:50] the city manager of both cities and then

[44:52] you can of course share that with

[44:54] >> with your occupants.

[44:55] >> Do they delineate between Farmington and

[44:57] Fights or is it together?

[44:59] >> They could they could. I doubt they

[45:01] will, but what they will delineate is

[45:03] the canyon versus the city because the the response up there is very

[45:06] different. The water distribution system

[45:08] is different up there.

[45:10] >> Okay.

[45:10] Some of the other things that

[45:12] we've managed is um I talked last time

[45:15] about how we had to get we had to

[45:18] reapply for our medical license to be

[45:20] able to service these communities. Every

[45:23] June we have to reapply with the state

[45:25] once a year to be able to have our

[45:27] vehicles licensed. So that requires an

[45:30] inspection. It requires a fee. We have

[45:32] to maintain a state inventory of

[45:35] equipment and medications and we have to

[45:37] be able to prove that we can do that. So

[45:39] we did this in June. We passed. Um

[45:42] thankfully we passed or we wouldn't be

[45:44] providing service. Um but the important

[45:46] part about this is if uh 2025 and in

[45:50] 2026 some of the state laws changed as

[45:53] to what we can bill for with regard to

[45:55] ambulance service. It used to be that

[45:58] the state law allowed we send an

[45:59] ambulance, we transport a patient, we

[46:02] bill for the use of the ambulance, we

[46:04] bill for the equipment, and we bill for

[46:06] the medication. That has been taken away

[46:08] from everybody in the state. We can now

[46:10] bill for the transport. So, as we look

[46:13] at our medical inventory and our medical

[46:16] equipment, we still have to comply with

[46:18] what the state requires, but we can no

[46:21] longer bill for it. So, one of the

[46:23] things that we have done is we've

[46:24] created an inventory and now I have a um

[46:28] an inventory system that gets managed

[46:30] once a month. We want to make sure that

[46:32] if we're buying medical supplies,

[46:35] medication for example, that we use them

[46:38] before they expire. And there's there's

[46:40] some things you cannot avoid. But one of

[46:42] the other things we'd like to do is if

[46:44] we have medication that's expired, we'd

[46:47] like to partner with our local vets to

[46:49] say they can use expired medication, we

[46:52] cannot.

[46:53] >> And I think it would be a great

[46:54] partnership of at least if we're if we

[46:57] can't use it for our citizens, we can

[46:59] use it for our our animal families. So

[47:02] that's something we'll be doing. Okay.

[47:06] Uh big focus for us obviously is

[47:08] continued training and development. We

[47:10] have a certain amount of EMS hours that

[47:12] we have to do every two years. We track

[47:14] that regularly. We do fire training as

[47:17] well. That is some of the things that

[47:19] ISO

[47:20] tracks. We have to do 290 hours of fire

[47:24] training which requires us to do two

[47:26] hours a day. It's impossible. We can't

[47:28] reach it. We we get really close. On top

[47:31] of that, there's officer training,

[47:32] driver training, hazmat training, and

[47:35] then leadership training. So all these

[47:37] things are tracked and then they're

[47:39] turned over to this is I ISO inspector.

[47:42] And then one of the things we're also

[47:44] required to do is several functional

[47:47] fitness tests. And one of the things we

[47:49] have to do because we have a canyon and

[47:51] we have a wildland urban interface area

[47:53] is we have to be wildland firefighter

[47:56] certified which requires us to wear a 35

[48:00] 45 pound vest. It's called a red card

[48:02] certification. we have to do a

[48:04] three-mile lap in a certain amount of

[48:06] time wearing this vest. So, what we've

[48:09] tried to do is create three quarterly

[48:11] fitness tests that are functional um but

[48:15] yet fun. So, one one we just did was um

[48:19] it's hot in July. We did it in the end

[48:22] of July, end of June, beginning of July,

[48:23] and we used our rec center. You had to

[48:25] do two and a half miles. It was 20 laps.

[48:27] Every lap that you did, you did

[48:29] push-ups, squats, and you went up and

[48:31] down a set of stairs. You did that 20

[48:34] times. Wow.

[48:34] >> We had a max. You couldn't You had to do

[48:37] it in under 60 minutes. So 59 minutes or

[48:39] less. And the person that finished first

[48:42] got an award and it was a blast. That's

[48:45] something that we do every quarter.

[48:48] >> Give us the name of who finished first

[48:50] so we can applaud them. You know,

[48:52] >> it was great. What's fun is he's young

[48:53] so of course he finished first, right?

[48:55] But the the competitiveness of of the

[48:58] firefighters or who finished second, who

[49:00] finished third, I finished fourth, which

[49:02] I loved because

[49:04] >> that deserves a little ways. They are.

[49:07] >> So anyway, it was fun.

[49:08] >> Chief's right upward.

[49:10] >> Well, then

[49:11] >> and then the last slide is um I wanted

[49:14] to just give you a quick update on our

[49:15] budget. Obviously, we've all just

[49:16] started a new budget. I love July. I get

[49:19] to buy stuff. Um some of the big things

[49:21] that we've ordered, we have a new medic

[49:23] vehicle that's on order. It's a F-150

[49:26] that has a a topper on the back and our

[49:29] medic vehicle is got 122,000 miles. And

[49:33] what we find is as frequently as we're

[49:34] using an ambulance in a medic vehicle,

[49:36] we've got to turn them over about every

[49:38] 5 years or all we're doing is

[49:40] maintaining them and we end up spending

[49:42] more money than not. The interesting

[49:44] part about this is I thought that

[49:46] vehicle was going to be outrageously

[49:48] expensive. An ambulance today is about

[49:51] $350,000.

[49:53] The medic vehicle was 111 custommade. I

[49:57] was floored. The F-150 is the F-150, but

[50:00] we customed everything up. $111,000.

[50:03] The Rover I thought was going to be

[50:06] about $30,000. It's at 60 and I'm not

[50:09] done. It's in I had I don't have UTVs. I

[50:12] had no idea how much Rovers were. But we

[50:15] had budgeted um overall about 160,000.

[50:19] So together I can actually get both of

[50:21] these vehicles. I'm so grateful that the

[50:23] medic vehicle was as cost-effective as

[50:25] it was. The rover will allow us to be

[50:28] able to take a person from the top of

[50:30] the mountain down on the back of a

[50:32] stretcher and they're safe. Um where

[50:35] today our rover is it's old. It it

[50:39] depending on the weight it struggles.

[50:41] It's just no longer safe. So that's on

[50:43] order as well.

[50:44] >> And then another interesting statistic,

[50:47] fire hose, fire equipment has a life

[50:50] expectancy. fire hose life expectancy is

[50:53] 10 years. I have hose that's 30 years

[50:55] old. We have hose older than people that

[50:57] work there. So, we were able to get um

[51:00] the city allowed me to purchase there's

[51:03] four different types of hose that we

[51:05] purchase one size. We use it frequently.

[51:09] That was $20,000 and I was able to

[51:11] purchase that. So, each year for the

[51:13] next three years, we'll purchase a

[51:15] different size hose and then all of our

[51:16] hose will be in compliance and that's

[51:18] really important to us. And then

[51:20] finally, the last uh information is the

[51:23] station build. If you haven't driven by

[51:25] there, the fire station now, the the

[51:27] second floor is going up. The the metal

[51:29] shell is coming together. It actually

[51:31] looks like a building. So, I'm pretty

[51:33] excited about that. And we're still on

[51:35] task for March or April of next year.

[51:39] >> Remind everybody where that is. They

[51:40] want to drive by.

[51:42] >> I'm sorry.

[51:42] >> We'll remind everyone where that is.

[51:44] >> It's Innovator Drive in Maker Way. So,

[51:46] the new park that Farmington just put um

[51:48] that just opened probably a couple

[51:50] months ago, a year ago. It's right

[51:52] across the street from there.

[51:54] >> And that's it. Any questions for me?

[51:57] Council

[52:01] » I love your report. Thank you.

[52:02] >> Thank you. Great presentation. Thank

[52:04] you, Chief. Appreciate having you.

[52:08] >> Okay. Wonderful. Um

[52:11] moving to number six is we're into

[52:13] discussion items. Okay. 6.1

[52:16] uh is there any discussion on appoint on

[52:18] the appointment for planning

[52:19] commissioner? I have um for the

[52:24] information of the public, I've shared

[52:26] all this with council already, but

[52:29] uh we did receive several um

[52:32] applications for

[52:34] uh this is for district 4 in our

[52:36] planning commission. And um when we'd

[52:39] received several of them, we um

[52:44] began to schedule interviews and sitting

[52:46] down. Being that I myself live in

[52:48] district 4, I wanted to um you know

[52:52] avoid any sort of perception of me alone

[52:55] making a decision and being biased or

[52:58] something. So I invited a member of the

[53:00] planning commission as well as member of

[53:02] staff to interview with me and we had um

[53:05] a great experience. We have wonderful

[53:07] people in our community and very

[53:09] talented, very capable people. Um and

[53:11] from that um a consensus amongst all of

[53:14] us when we compared notes was um Ken

[53:17] Bagley is his name. He's with us

[53:19] tonight. Ken, thanks for being here. Um

[53:22] he's wonderful applicant, very talented

[53:24] guy, smart, and brings a lot of good

[53:27] assets to this um um and skills to this

[53:30] position. And so he is my recommendation

[53:33] to the council. And I hope you will um

[53:35] support and confirm his appointment. Is

[53:38] there any discussion or question that

[53:39] the council would like to um ask me

[53:43] about that at this point?

[53:50] » The one comment I have is that uh I I

[53:53] did have a chance to look at his, you

[53:54] know, your LinkedIn profile. It looks

[53:56] like you a lot of good professional

[53:58] experience and uh I don't have any

[54:02] anything concerns or questions beyond

[54:04] that. So,

[54:05] >> okay.

[54:07] Thank you very much. Um,

[54:10] let's see. I I don't know if there's

[54:11] anything else that I should mention. I I have all confidence in Ken and taking

[54:17] on this. He's just um a good neighbor

[54:20] who stepped forward and interested in

[54:22] serving um in the public. Um for anyone

[54:24] who is concerned, his background is um

[54:27] not in real estate or development of any

[54:30] kind. He's in a business sector in a

[54:32] completely different capacity. if that

[54:35] is something that any one wondered

[54:37] about. Um and um we're just really

[54:41] impressed with him and glad to have him

[54:43] step forward and I feel like he'll be a

[54:44] very good fit. All of us felt that he'd

[54:46] be a great fit on our commission and

[54:48] work well um with our other commission

[54:50] members. So um if that's if that's

[54:53] everything, we can move to the next

[54:55] item.

[54:55] >> Well, I just want to express gratitude

[54:57] to all the applicants and thank you for

[55:00] being willing to serve in our community.

[55:02] >> Absolutely. We're just really grateful

[55:04] for people that step up and care about

[55:07] their community. So appreciate it.

[55:09] >> Absolutely. Yes. Thank you to you and to

[55:11] the others who applied. I'll say

[55:13] publicly to anyone who applies. We're

[55:15] grateful for that and encourage it. So

[55:18] um as far as a discuss we'll get to that

[55:21] um action item.

[55:24] Um

[55:26] actually unless we could we could let Ken go if we can

[55:30] move the action item. We ready to Should

[55:32] we just go ahead and move the action

[55:34] item here and quickly take care of that?

[55:37] >> I don't have a problem.

[55:38] >> And then he's got a family he can go

[55:39] home and waiting with instead of waiting

[55:42] through all the rest of this.

[55:44] >> Is council all right if we do that?

[55:47] >> I'm okay with doing that personally, but

[55:49] um that's just I'm just one. Um

[55:51] >> and I'll just make David seems okay.

[55:55] >> Typically I would I would like to know

[55:58] just a little bit more about the

[55:59] candidates. I I had a chance to talk to

[56:01] him before the meeting, just get to know

[56:04] him a little bit. Um, and that was that

[56:07] was nice. But

[56:09] it'd be nice to just be a little bit

[56:11] more informed on

[56:13] >> sooner just so that just so that we can

[56:17] consider the candidate that just just my

[56:23] um request I would say.

[56:27] >> Okay. Um that's noted. Um I will share

[56:31] that I I I um admit admittedly I'm a new

[56:35] mayor, right? So this is my second

[56:37] appointment and um I sort of took a

[56:42] poll, not a poll, but like kind of a

[56:44] questionnaire of in other cities how

[56:46] this how this goes. And just for

[56:48] everyone's knowledge and information,

[56:51] the process that we've used here is is

[56:54] um very much in line with um and and and

[56:58] by some standards even more thorough and

[57:01] um ahead of time than than several other

[57:03] cities. That varies a little bit from

[57:06] city to city, but um generally um it is

[57:10] and is written in our statutes as well

[57:12] as the mayor's um job to

[57:16] um

[57:18] appoint to to to gather the applications

[57:21] to go through to interview and then to

[57:24] make a selection and appoint. And um

[57:27] variously in different cities councils

[57:31] ask no questions or very few or in some

[57:35] few cases receive um fuller information

[57:38] but that's it it varies a little bit.

[57:40] It's not entirely standard because it's

[57:43] it is again by statute it's the mayor's

[57:46] job to do the vetting not the council's

[57:48] job to do the vetting but um having said

[57:50] that I have made an effort to share um

[57:53] information from the both from our

[57:55] interview experience as well as reaching

[57:57] out to speak with each of you and answer

[58:00] ask what questions you might have had um

[58:02] and share what I um what I know about

[58:04] this candidate. So I do feel I've made

[58:07] that effort. Um Gary, we tried to

[58:09] connect today. You were probably busy,

[58:11] but we were I was trying to text you and and

[58:16] um

[58:18] you know, connect with that. That didn't

[58:20] succeed as well as it could have this

[58:21] time, but um I did feel that I made that

[58:24] effort. Um and appreciate your um

[58:28] support. So, if we could go ahead, it

[58:30] seems like I've got at least three nods

[58:32] here to go ahead and do the vote and we

[58:34] can um allow Ken to head back to his

[58:36] family. But um is this remind me is this

[58:40] a roll call type of a vote? I'm not

[58:43] remembering this consent. This consent

[58:46] vote. Okay. So um all in favor of

[58:51] supporting the planning comm appointment

[58:53] for planning commission. All right.

[58:54] >> It's not by a motion,

[58:56] >> right?

[58:56] >> Is it consent with consent?

[58:59] >> Okay. Motion to appoint Callum Bagley as

[59:02] a planning commission member.

[59:04] >> Do we need a a motion from council?

[59:06] Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

[59:08] >> Did you get it?

[59:09] >> A second.

[59:10] >> Okay. So, motion from uh Blake, a second

[59:13] from David. Um all in favor of this

[59:16] motion, please say yes.

[59:18] >> Yes.

[59:19] >> Any opposed say no.

[59:21] >> Okay. Thank you, council. That is um

[59:24] unanimous and I appreciate your support

[59:26] and thank you Ken for for being here

[59:29] tonight and for stepping forward to

[59:30] serve in our community. We appreciate

[59:32] you. Okay, great.

[59:41] Um

[59:43] going back to we'll go to 6.2.

[59:48] Um the LRB cemetery financial proposal

[59:52] as an item for discussion here. We did

[59:55] have so cemetery has not been a um major

[1:00:00] um topic in our public meetings this

[1:00:02] year except for in our last meeting

[1:00:05] where um Todd and he's here. Good. Hello

[1:00:09] Todd. Um as our committee chair gave a

[1:00:11] presentation

[1:00:13] um just to fill in a little background

[1:00:16] for members of the public. um

[1:00:21] when when I took office um and after the

[1:00:24] discussions and things that were said

[1:00:26] and took place during the campaign and

[1:00:29] having talked to many many people out

[1:00:30] there realizing this is a interesting

[1:00:34] question there many for and many not for

[1:00:36] um this issue but the cemetery committee

[1:00:39] had expressed they didn't feel that

[1:00:41] they'd had enough support to do whatever

[1:00:43] they needed to do to investigate a

[1:00:45] cemetery possibility in recent times and

[1:00:48] so I um

[1:00:51] reached out as an olive branch and said,

[1:00:53] "Hey, why don't I give you some support?

[1:00:55] I don't feel like we can investigate

[1:00:57] continually forever, but if we take one

[1:00:59] year in the whole year of 2026, is that

[1:01:01] enough time to get answer not to not to

[1:01:05] develop a cemetery, let me be clear, but

[1:01:08] to answer the question, is there a way

[1:01:10] for Fruit Heights to have a cemetery

[1:01:11] that doesn't require any tax impact?"

[1:01:15] That was my ask of the cemetery. And um

[1:01:20] they said I said by they I mean I spoke

[1:01:23] with Todd and I also spoke with Eileen.

[1:01:25] Um she's having been involved in it.

[1:01:27] They said yes, we think a year would be

[1:01:29] plenty of time. And so they have

[1:01:30] assembled their committee and been

[1:01:32] working on developing and talking about

[1:01:34] how could that be done and not impact

[1:01:37] our tax money. So that's kind of the

[1:01:39] background of what the cemetery

[1:01:41] committee has been busy trying to

[1:01:44] investigate this year. Also um in

[1:01:47] January with our strategic planning

[1:01:49] meeting with council, I introduced that

[1:01:51] idea uh told them of those discussions

[1:01:54] and they were supportive of saying yes

[1:01:55] in for this year we can support it and

[1:01:57] we'll put some money in the budget to do

[1:02:00] possible studies or whatever is needed

[1:02:02] to get good data, get an answer to that

[1:02:05] question. And so that's where where that

[1:02:08] work has been that that's what's been

[1:02:09] happening. So in the in the budget that

[1:02:11] we've now approved for this year, there

[1:02:13] is a line item for u some financial

[1:02:16] support of doing a study um a cost study

[1:02:20] or or some type of study um and it and

[1:02:24] cost being you know a main topic when it comes to cemetery.

[1:02:29] So, LRB, you see up on the screen, is a

[1:02:32] company

[1:02:33] um that and we um

[1:02:38] made made efforts to look around and see

[1:02:41] how many companies provide that kind of

[1:02:43] a service. It turns out not many. So

[1:02:46] this is this is one company that does do

[1:02:48] these kinds of studies among other

[1:02:50] things in their services for

[1:02:52] municipalities but um that has

[1:02:54] experience um has some pretty extensive

[1:02:58] experience in providing cemetery

[1:02:59] financial studies feasibility and

[1:03:02] sustainability. And so we obtained a

[1:03:04] proposal from them to um help us out

[1:03:07] with a you know comprehensive analysis

[1:03:10] of cost and um so that is that is the

[1:03:15] proposal that's there right now tonight.

[1:03:18] Now in the meantime other things have

[1:03:21] developed and there are other questions

[1:03:24] on the board about as far as cemetery um

[1:03:28] because it's not as simple as all that.

[1:03:30] um in our city. We have um other

[1:03:33] questions to resolve and also um

[1:03:37] as council is aware and as Todd

[1:03:40] presented in his uh remarks last week,

[1:03:43] uh the committee is interested in in um

[1:03:46] going out to find some information um

[1:03:50] about or to uh request information from

[1:03:53] private companies to see if that's a

[1:03:55] possibility. So, um, that's kind of the

[1:04:01] focus. It's I think I'm correct in

[1:04:03] saying that right now, Todd. Correct me

[1:04:05] if I'm wrong. That's the focus of the

[1:04:07] committee is to try to see if there's a

[1:04:10] um

[1:04:12] a private company option. We're saying

[1:04:15] private public partnership, but I think

[1:04:17] what we're talking about is a private

[1:04:19] company that would be willing to

[1:04:21] basically foot the whole cost for us if

[1:04:24] they could use the land. So that's an

[1:04:25] open question and that's a question no

[1:04:27] one knows the answer to. So that's a

[1:04:29] question you're looking for an answer to

[1:04:31] and wanting to investigate. So it it um

[1:04:35] may or may not be the right time to do

[1:04:37] this proposal proposed study and um it

[1:04:41] may be that in at another time um would

[1:04:45] be the right time but council we can

[1:04:47] discuss this now. I just want to give

[1:04:48] some background for the public to so

[1:04:50] they're not in confusion about what's

[1:04:52] happening with the cemetery committee

[1:04:54] because you know we we all know that's

[1:04:56] been a topic um off and on off and on for many years. So,

[1:05:01] um

[1:05:03] this proposal before us here is a thing

[1:05:05] that um would the scope of this proposal

[1:05:11] um

[1:05:13] is looking at a city built and

[1:05:17] maintained seminary cemetery that would

[1:05:19] be self- sustaining.

[1:05:22] Um, and in other words, like what at

[1:05:25] what cost, at what price point for the

[1:05:28] end user would you be able to build and

[1:05:31] pay for building and maintaining and

[1:05:34] sustaining a cemetery um all the way

[1:05:36] through for a long long time. That's

[1:05:38] what this proposal proposes to evaluate.

[1:05:42] Um, they can they can also evaluate

[1:05:44] other cost models. Todd went through

[1:05:46] several of them. I think if you have any

[1:05:49] questions on those, there are other cost

[1:05:50] models. LRB is able to evaluate any of

[1:05:52] those. It would just be a different

[1:05:54] proposal, be a different scope than this

[1:05:56] one before us tonight as all. So, um,

[1:06:02] discussion on that. Eileen, maybe you

[1:06:04] have some things being that you're the

[1:06:05] cemetery committee leaison or anyone

[1:06:07] else have some ideas or discussion on

[1:06:09] this

[1:06:10] >> item tonight.

[1:06:11] >> I think we need an answer to

[1:06:14] are we going to be able to move the

[1:06:16] trails

[1:06:17] um to to

[1:06:20] Did you talk to the

[1:06:23] people that gave us the grant for the

[1:06:25] bike trail?

[1:06:27] >> So, it's depending on how many how much

[1:06:29] of the trails. If it's, you know, just

[1:06:32] down at the south corner, that's easy

[1:06:34] enough. We can move those trails to be

[1:06:36] around it. If it's the whole project,

[1:06:40] then there's a lot more to it at that

[1:06:42] point.

[1:06:43] >> So, for five years, we're limited

[1:06:46] with how much we can do.

[1:06:51] because

[1:06:51] >> well it it like I said it depends on if

[1:06:53] we're just doing a couple acres down at

[1:06:55] the bottom, three acres, whatever the

[1:06:57] trails that come into that, we can move

[1:07:00] those trails and still stay in

[1:07:02] compliance. Um the map that's in the

[1:07:06] presentation and stuff like that shows

[1:07:08] that whole area. That's where

[1:07:13] there's a lot of things we have to work

[1:07:14] with. So, we need to get with Curtis

[1:07:16] then and get a

[1:07:20] new

[1:07:22] map of where we might use in the next

[1:07:26] five years.

[1:07:27] Is that true?

[1:07:30] >> Yeah.

[1:07:32] Yes. Yes. We we we need to show this is

[1:07:35] what we'd be using. Um this is how we

[1:07:38] would reroute those those mountain bike

[1:07:40] trails. Um the only map I have right now

[1:07:43] shows the whole property as part of

[1:07:45] that. Um

[1:07:48] and so I don't know where that is. If

[1:07:50] it's the whole property, yes, it it we

[1:07:53] have a grant and we have an agreement

[1:07:54] with the with that grant that um limits

[1:07:58] the possibilities.

[1:08:01] >> Do we need to do something more along

[1:08:03] the line of an RFP for this kind of

[1:08:05] study? That's a significant amount of

[1:08:07] money. Um

[1:08:10] it seems like

[1:08:12] and maybe there is only one company but

[1:08:15] we're we haven't done anything.

[1:08:18] So I I will tell you um we did research

[1:08:21] a lot and asked a lot of other

[1:08:23] communities and um we talked with Zans

[1:08:27] Bank because that was one that

[1:08:28] communities have used is Zans's Bank. Um

[1:08:31] we actually talked with Zans's Bank um

[1:08:33] just like we did with this company here.

[1:08:36] Zans Bank um the communities that they

[1:08:39] have done studies for um already have a

[1:08:43] cemetery and so they're able to take the

[1:08:45] information they already have the costs

[1:08:48] are already using and then help plan for

[1:08:51] the future. Um this company was a little

[1:08:54] bit different. Um they've worked with

[1:08:56] cities that don't have a cemetery that

[1:08:59] want to either try to put in a cemetery,

[1:09:02] a private or a partnership or however

[1:09:06] and been able to go through and do a lot

[1:09:09] of research not only in Utah but um

[1:09:12] surrounding states and come up with a way to do that. Um

[1:09:20] >> well

[1:09:21] >> yeah, this is one of this is one of

[1:09:23] those

[1:09:24] >> that is a pretty limited um

[1:09:29] company that can provide that kind of

[1:09:32] service. Um

[1:09:34] >> but we haven't put it out there for

[1:09:35] anybody else either to find out.

[1:09:36] >> No,

[1:09:40] » we haven't. I it just is not a common

[1:09:43] it's not a there's not a big wide

[1:09:46] variety of companies that we know of

[1:09:48] that do this. I mean having talked to

[1:09:52] Zans is a big one that helps with

[1:09:53] municipal finance like you said but but

[1:09:55] even them they were like well we we do

[1:09:58] fee studies you know like you're saying

[1:10:00] if you've already got it in place and

[1:10:01] you've got all the numbers information

[1:10:03] for us we can calculate you know study

[1:10:05] if your fees are at the right level

[1:10:07] right now or whatever but not not as um

[1:10:11] not as comprehensive or able to do as

[1:10:14] big a scope

[1:10:15] >> as this. Um, so

[1:10:20] in our ordinances, in a purchasing

[1:10:22] ordinance, there is a, you know, there's a whole section on

[1:10:27] types of um goods or services that are um not don't lend themselves to wide a variety of of competitive

[1:10:38] bidding that are like single source, you

[1:10:40] know, that are or or specialty types of

[1:10:42] services. And I think this is considered

[1:10:44] that

[1:10:46] So,

[1:10:47] >> so anyway, yeah,

[1:10:48] >> my big my big burden.

[1:10:50] >> So, it sounds like the question before

[1:10:51] us tonight is a little bit complicated

[1:10:53] by the fact that we've got some

[1:10:55] questions about the land itself, the can

[1:10:58] the grants that we have already on it.

[1:11:01] Um, I also feel like the question is

[1:11:04] still out and I had an opportunity to

[1:11:06] speak with Todd this past week. The

[1:11:08] question is still out on what kind of

[1:11:11] project is being envisioned by cemetery

[1:11:15] committee and whether or not we need to

[1:11:18] get a little bit more information before

[1:11:19] we move forward with this. Um Todd, I

[1:11:23] appreciate your email you um provided to

[1:11:27] council or you sent to council where you

[1:11:28] said that this might be the right thing

[1:11:30] to move forward with. It might not be

[1:11:31] the right thing to move forward with,

[1:11:32] but that you were hoping to get some

[1:11:34] more questions answered. Um and I agree

[1:11:38] with that. I think that we have a few

[1:11:41] questions that are out um that may

[1:11:46] significantly impact the

[1:11:50] feasibility study itself. It may be that

[1:11:52] we do a feasibility study and we can't

[1:11:56] move forward with the project for a

[1:11:58] number of years and by that time that

[1:12:00] feasibility study is not as realistic

[1:12:04] with where the market's at. So, I've got

[1:12:06] some concerns personally with um moving

[1:12:10] forward with this project right now. Um

[1:12:14] but

[1:12:17] I don't know if it's appropriate to have

[1:12:19] Todd speak with us a little bit. He's

[1:12:21] the chair of our cemetery committee and

[1:12:23] Eileen also is our liaison for that

[1:12:25] committee. But do you have anything that

[1:12:27] you would like to say? Um is that

[1:12:30] appropriate? Are we able to do that?

[1:12:34] Todd, would you like to

[1:12:35] >> I mean, if you if there's something that

[1:12:37] you want to add to this that we're not

[1:12:39] considering or haven't mentioned, Todd,

[1:12:42] >> I don't you don't have to. I mean, I

[1:12:45] won't I won't expect us to call on you,

[1:12:47] so it's okay.

[1:12:49] >> Um,

[1:12:50] >> I have one one comment.

[1:12:52] >> Would you mind Do you mind coming on for

[1:12:54] that?

[1:12:56] >> I appreciate it.

[1:13:01] the

[1:13:02] this is kind of a detail, but the

[1:13:05] discussion about the

[1:13:08] um trails up there in the and I'm

[1:13:12] assuming the map you're talking about is

[1:13:14] in the RFP that we've been working on.

[1:13:18] The RFP itself talks about the trails

[1:13:20] and that they have to what they propose

[1:13:23] has to work around the trails that are

[1:13:25] there. So, it's not ignoring the trails.

[1:13:29] So, but we want to obviously it's a top

[1:13:34] item and I would like maybe with some of

[1:13:37] the committee members be able to meet

[1:13:39] with the people that the agency and the

[1:13:42] stuff in the state government

[1:13:44] that that's providing, you know, that

[1:13:46] does that because I I really have a hard

[1:13:48] time believing that a the contract would

[1:13:51] be so ironclad that you if some if

[1:13:55] they're doing a trail system somewhere

[1:13:57] and some important thing came up that

[1:13:59] they couldn't do something

[1:14:02] to work around it. And so I wanna

[1:14:06] >> Well, I think Darren was alluding to

[1:14:08] that. He said he felt like if there's a

[1:14:10] small I mean a small impingement seems

[1:14:13] easy to solve,

[1:14:15] >> but what's represented in the in the

[1:14:17] document that you're you're currently

[1:14:20] working on to put out for information is

[1:14:21] the entire thing plus the rest of the

[1:14:23] 100 acres is highlighted.

[1:14:25] >> Yeah.

[1:14:25] Do you have a sense of the the size of

[1:14:28] that project or what you're anticipating

[1:14:31] long term in in your multiple phases?

[1:14:34] Again, I if the answer is that you

[1:14:36] haven't anticipated that yet, I don't

[1:14:38] want to

[1:14:39] >> right. We can get um the way we have

[1:14:43] scoped it out about a thousand is a

[1:14:45] thousand plots per acre pretty much. And

[1:14:49] if it and if it's cremains, you get

[1:14:52] about

[1:14:53] three boxes for crees in what would be

[1:14:57] one grave.

[1:14:59] >> So 3,000 per acre

[1:15:01] >> if it's if it's

[1:15:04] >> so

[1:15:04] >> or but but that would be in the ground

[1:15:07] boxes because there's also other options

[1:15:10] like doing um a short wall on the um

[1:15:17] side. And so there's there's some

[1:15:19] different options, but yeah, maybe

[1:15:21] around two 2,000

[1:15:24] burials of creines and

[1:15:27] >> okay, it's not quite

[1:15:29] >> not quite three

[1:15:32] >> if

[1:15:32] >> strictly speaking, but it there could be

[1:15:35] mixes and matches where you could get

[1:15:37] mixes and matches

[1:15:38] >> depending on the

[1:15:40] >> Yes. the situation. And and the other

[1:15:41] thing that we're, you know, they tell us

[1:15:43] is that more and more people are

[1:15:45] choosing cremation. And so as years go

[1:15:49] on, there may be more that wish to be

[1:15:53] cremated than buried.

[1:15:55] >> And I have to I just I have to wonder

[1:15:58] what if we were to have a crem type of

[1:16:04] place. I don't know.

[1:16:06] >> There are a lot of people that still

[1:16:08] want burials,

[1:16:09] >> traditional burial. Um, so just think,

[1:16:12] you know,

[1:16:14] for for for services, let's just say ser

[1:16:18] services of of deaths, they figure about

[1:16:23] 50

[1:16:25] per

[1:16:26] uh per 6,000

[1:16:30] residents per year. So if you had

[1:16:36] 500 plots that would be you know

[1:16:41] basically our city is about 6,000 you

[1:16:44] know we have other people who have

[1:16:45] already made arrangements outside of the

[1:16:47] city so just you know projecting that

[1:16:51] out based on our current um

[1:16:56] >> that's right but in in the case of of

[1:16:59] public private if a p private company

[1:17:01] were to come in they would not confining

[1:17:03] it only to Fruit Heights residents.

[1:17:05] That's correct.

[1:17:05] >> They're they're there for profit.

[1:17:07] >> They and they will and they will take

[1:17:09] however much land we allocate. Whereas

[1:17:12] if we do it within the city without that

[1:17:15] public private partnership or without

[1:17:17] partnering with another city then then

[1:17:21] we of course maintain

[1:17:23] uh availability for a really long time.

[1:17:27] >> Right.

[1:17:28] >> So are we putting the cart before the

[1:17:29] horse here though? Sounds like we might

[1:17:31] and and and I want to I want to talk a

[1:17:34] little bit about the balance here

[1:17:36] because

[1:17:38] um obviously I don't want the cemetery

[1:17:41] committee to be so granular that we're

[1:17:43] asking about every every detail.

[1:17:46] >> Um but at the same time the question

[1:17:50] before council and the one that I'm

[1:17:52] hoping to get an answer for eventually

[1:17:55] is what realistically the cost of a

[1:17:58] project like this would be. Um and then

[1:18:01] depending on that the options going

[1:18:03] forward. So it's for me I can see this

[1:18:06] kind of in two ways. We can we can get

[1:18:08] really specific and have a very detailed

[1:18:09] plan going in and then get a price model

[1:18:12] for that. We can go in and kind of look

[1:18:15] at it and because in your presentation

[1:18:18] it was still and and correct me if I'm

[1:18:20] wrong those questions are still being

[1:18:22] explored.

[1:18:23] >> Yeah. And actually you know we had like

[1:18:25] six options. There's really only two

[1:18:28] that we are seriously looking at. That's

[1:18:32] >> in addition to keeping it with in the

[1:18:34] city.

[1:18:34] >> Yeah. The city and the the other one was

[1:18:38] >> public private

[1:18:39] >> and and or you know combining with

[1:18:42] another city that maybe already has the

[1:18:44] knowledge too. But the problem with

[1:18:47] >> that represents a tax impact that

[1:18:49] represents an increased cost.

[1:18:51] >> There's three but but two of those

[1:18:53] options do fill up the available space.

[1:18:56] So that y

[1:18:58] >> so that

[1:18:59] >> okay so

[1:19:00] >> I I have one more question for you um

[1:19:03] Todd you know your presentation a couple

[1:19:05] weeks ago you had some like engineering

[1:19:08] work that we had uh able to complete in

[1:19:10] a in one small area that that showed the

[1:19:13] viability of can we actually easily dig

[1:19:17] graves in this area. Are is are there

[1:19:19] plans to continue to investigate uh some

[1:19:22] of more broader areas where where we

[1:19:25] might

[1:19:26] >> we can do that

[1:19:26] >> evaluate that?

[1:19:28] >> Um we that was the area the area where

[1:19:30] we did it was kind of the phase one area

[1:19:33] that we had been exploring.

[1:19:36] >> Um Curtis Tanner, he's on our committee.

[1:19:39] He's kind of the expert in that area and

[1:19:42] he's he's out of town right now so we

[1:19:45] can't

[1:19:46] >> but we can we can pursue that a little

[1:19:49] bit more. I was frankly very s

[1:19:52] pleasantly surprised at how well that

[1:19:55] went

[1:19:56] >> because

[1:19:57] >> yeah that's one of the concerns. I've

[1:19:58] spoken to several residents and they say that this it's too it's

[1:20:03] impossible. It's too rocky. But if we do

[1:20:05] some some testing like this, it would

[1:20:07] kind of validate that whether it is or

[1:20:09] it's not. So that's

[1:20:10] >> Yeah, I think we could probably answer

[1:20:11] that question by just digging a couple

[1:20:13] of more pits

[1:20:15] >> and

[1:20:16] >> two or three more up on the south. And I think I think that's worthwhile

[1:20:21] because um if I recall right

[1:20:25] uh when they did the geological survey

[1:20:28] for the rock loft ridge um they were

[1:20:33] s they were surprised that that they

[1:20:35] didn't have as many rocks as they

[1:20:37] thought they would

[1:20:39] >> in that I recognize they're two

[1:20:42] different parcels of land but they're

[1:20:46] not um they're not so far apart.

[1:20:48] that they're like majorly different. So,

[1:20:52] >> the walking along there looks rocky,

[1:20:56] >> right?

[1:20:56] >> So, that's where the I think that's

[1:20:58] where the the feeling comes from.

[1:21:00] >> And I think maybe some would have said

[1:21:02] that about where the Rock Loft bridge

[1:21:06] >> is is right now in the past. But

[1:21:10] >> anyways, just

[1:21:11] >> um being that the direction that you're

[1:21:13] wanting to go is to investigate will is

[1:21:16] there a private um sort of um company

[1:21:20] that would respond to a request for

[1:21:23] information and make some sort of a

[1:21:26] proposal. Maybe isn't the right word,

[1:21:27] but like indicate that they would, you

[1:21:30] know, in a in a in a detailed fashion,

[1:21:33] not just, hey, we're interested, but

[1:21:35] like, you know, in a detailed fashion of

[1:21:37] like how

[1:21:39] much they I mean the proposal has to has

[1:21:41] to elicit and solicit that kind of

[1:21:44] detail. How many acres are actually

[1:21:47] available? Does that interest them?

[1:21:48] Would they want more? Is that enough?

[1:21:50] What and what can we use up there? It's

[1:21:52] not a hundred, you know, it's something

[1:21:54] less than that.

[1:21:56] >> And that

[1:21:56] >> we've never implied as a hundred because

[1:21:59] >> the picture implies it's not our intent

[1:22:01] to apply that.

[1:22:02] >> Okay. The photo that's included in the

[1:22:04] document implies it. So, I I'm not I'm

[1:22:07] not trying to start a fight there. I'm

[1:22:08] just saying it needs a little bit of

[1:22:11] cleaning up in order not to apply imply

[1:22:13] that with the picture, but you know, all

[1:22:15] I'm trying to say is like putting out

[1:22:16] something that is specific enough that

[1:22:18] you can get specific enough answers in

[1:22:20] return

[1:22:21] >> that they can be evaluated and maybe at

[1:22:23] that point we approach or come back to

[1:22:27] our LRB and say if if we received

[1:22:30] something back from that, we want help

[1:22:32] evaluating that against other options.

[1:22:35] It

[1:22:35] >> it might it might also be helpful to not

[1:22:38] only do what you just indicated, but

[1:22:40] also have

[1:22:42] >> the the interested parties

[1:22:45] talk to LRB just just to get more

[1:22:49] information get

[1:22:52] >> I think that would be helpful

[1:22:54] >> for you know because

[1:22:55] >> committee to talk to LB

[1:22:57] >> you know as as you've said that maybe

[1:23:01] this is the right path maybe LRB is the

[1:23:03] right path Maybe maybe it's not.

[1:23:06] >> I'd like to you you have indicated you

[1:23:09] would like to ask more questions,

[1:23:10] >> right?

[1:23:11] >> And

[1:23:13] myself, my feelings are that if we have

[1:23:15] a committee that's been invested for

[1:23:17] quite some time, it it does make sense

[1:23:19] to have them try and see what they

[1:23:22] think. You know, not they're not the

[1:23:24] deciding voice necessarily, but

[1:23:28] >> it would be nice just to see what they

[1:23:29] think,

[1:23:31] >> right?

[1:23:32] what they think about what

[1:23:33] >> lb about

[1:23:34] >> oh okay

[1:23:35] >> you know some of the questions that

[1:23:38] >> um

[1:23:40] you know taught it as had

[1:23:42] >> okay

[1:23:44] >> um

[1:23:47] that's fair I I had I was able to have a

[1:23:50] good conversation I've already talked

[1:23:52] Thank you Todd I already related this to

[1:23:54] Todd but this afternoon I was hoping to

[1:23:56] have someone from LB here tonight just

[1:23:58] so everybody knows I was really working

[1:23:59] hard on that but they you know, a lot of

[1:24:02] cities to be in. He said he had three

[1:24:04] different places to be tonight and he

[1:24:05] really would have liked to be here, but

[1:24:07] sometimes it's just like that. Um, so I

[1:24:09] did have an extensive conversation and

[1:24:12] was able to ask him the questions that

[1:24:13] you had emailed Todd and if just so

[1:24:15] council is where this is all in the last

[1:24:17] few hours, so I didn't have time to loop

[1:24:20] everybody in, but I did ask them Todd's

[1:24:23] questions that he had in the email. And

[1:24:25] so, um,

[1:24:28] I

[1:24:30] I'm trying the best I can to represent,

[1:24:32] you know, the information that I have

[1:24:34] from him. But this proposal that they've

[1:24:38] given here as I've said aims to

[1:24:43] um

[1:24:45] estimate a aims to evaluate cost of a

[1:24:48] city built se sorry a city built and

[1:24:52] maintained and owned and operated

[1:24:54] cemetery that is um self- sustaining and

[1:24:57] in other words pays for itself. That was

[1:25:01] what this is trying to evaluate in in

[1:25:03] terms of cost for everybody's

[1:25:05] information. That was the model at the

[1:25:08] time we asked for them to do a proposal.

[1:25:10] That was what we were asking for. Things

[1:25:12] have evolved since that time into this

[1:25:14] other direction of asking of wanting to

[1:25:16] solicit for private. I mean that private

[1:25:19] company is going to do the same

[1:25:21] calculation you know only for them

[1:25:23] they're going to be how how much do we

[1:25:25] pay to develop this and to uh create a

[1:25:28] cemetery and then maintain it and

[1:25:30] everything for how I'm not sure how many

[1:25:32] number of years they would commit to and

[1:25:34] come back and then also make a profit at

[1:25:37] it because they're in it for profit and

[1:25:39] so they're performing their same the

[1:25:41] same type of calculation on their side

[1:25:44] you know and then come back to to us

[1:25:47] with that if they do. So, we'll we'll I

[1:25:49] mean, that's the same thing going on

[1:25:51] here at both um sides. If we um if we

[1:25:56] want to put that out first, I'm fine

[1:25:58] with that's fine. Let's let's put that

[1:26:00] out and see what comes back. Maybe

[1:26:02] that's the first step, but I think you

[1:26:04] still need an independent analysis at

[1:26:06] that point. more questions get raised

[1:26:08] when that comes back about the

[1:26:10] longevity, about the length of

[1:26:11] commitment, about whether um it

[1:26:14] eventually falls on the city because we

[1:26:16] see examples of that all over the place.

[1:26:19] So, it raises more questions and those

[1:26:22] would need answering too and an

[1:26:24] evaluation of anything that were to be

[1:26:28] returned from that RFI would be

[1:26:30] necessary and helpful,

[1:26:32] >> right?

[1:26:33] >> That would that would just be a

[1:26:34] different proposal than this one here.

[1:26:36] Sure.

[1:26:37] >> So,

[1:26:38] one of the things to always consider too

[1:26:41] is that government frequently takes on

[1:26:45] tasks that private does not want to take

[1:26:48] on. That's why we have cityrun water and

[1:26:51] city-run garbage pickup and those kinds

[1:26:54] of things as well. So,

[1:26:56] >> so you're speaking of a cemetery as a

[1:26:58] utility. Some cities consider that the

[1:27:01] case and others do not. And it is a

[1:27:05] there is there I I don't think you can

[1:27:07] find an example of a se city where a

[1:27:10] cemetery even breaks even.

[1:27:12] >> It just doesn't exist.

[1:27:13] >> And why are people building private

[1:27:15] ones?

[1:27:15] >> Well, I think that often times their

[1:27:18] profits come from the funeral services

[1:27:21] because there's some they're a company

[1:27:22] that provides those other services.

[1:27:24] That's where they're making their profit

[1:27:26] center on is that it's not on the on the

[1:27:28] grave site and maintenance of a

[1:27:30] >> park. Well, it sounds it sounds to me

[1:27:32] like we maybe have some questions that

[1:27:34] are going in different directions. The

[1:27:35] question before council tonight is about

[1:27:37] the LRB

[1:27:39] and this proposal. Correct.

[1:27:41] >> Yes. This proposal specifically. Yeah.

[1:27:44] Um given that information, I don't know

[1:27:47] that we do this in this section, but I

[1:27:49] think that it would probably be wise for

[1:27:51] us to table this and come back to um get

[1:27:56] a little bit more input from cemetery

[1:27:58] committee and then we can answer some of

[1:28:02] those questions a little bit more

[1:28:05] and not have this be quite as big of a

[1:28:08] question because right now this feels

[1:28:09] like we're talking about a lot of

[1:28:12] different things and if we have

[1:28:14] A feasibility study is what I would love

[1:28:16] to see. I would love to see what I'm

[1:28:19] asking our neighbors to pay for um and

[1:28:22] what it would look like and are they in

[1:28:24] favor of the kind of cemetery that we're

[1:28:27] talking about. Um and those are the

[1:28:31] questions that

[1:28:33] I don't know that again they could be

[1:28:35] answered by this study but without buyin

[1:28:38] from the cemetery committee I'm not very

[1:28:40] comfortable moving forward with that

[1:28:41] right now. Well, the other thing is if

[1:28:43] you we look down the agenda on our

[1:28:46] citywide survey, one of the things that

[1:28:49] was proposed that Darren sent us out was

[1:28:52] to put a question about cemeteries in.

[1:28:54] So,

[1:28:55] >> correct.

[1:28:56] >> That may be helpful as well.

[1:28:58] >> Correct.

[1:29:00] >> So, would the council

[1:29:02] want to

[1:29:04] >> are we jumping forward

[1:29:06] again

[1:29:08] thing? We I don't think it requires a

[1:29:10] vote to say we can put that RFI out. It

[1:29:12] just requires some leg work and

[1:29:15] communication between committee and

[1:29:17] staff. Um is that a direction the

[1:29:20] council wants to direct staff to go

[1:29:23] ahead and help that go forward?

[1:29:25] >> Are you going to wait till the action

[1:29:26] items or what do you

[1:29:28] >> do you want to discuss that or not? You

[1:29:30] know, I mean

[1:29:33] >> I'm open to doing it however works best.

[1:29:36] I just um wanted to make sure that cuz I feel like I've gotten a little bit

[1:29:40] lost here that we are still just talking

[1:29:42] about this um

[1:29:45] proposal. Correct.

[1:29:47] >> Well, yeah, that's yes. I I will say

[1:29:50] like I just say the the we can vote yes

[1:29:53] or no on this proposal. Let just in your

[1:29:55] mind give council direction for what the

[1:29:58] cemetery committee has been trying to

[1:30:01] work on toward asking for u an RFI

[1:30:05] request for information on uh private

[1:30:07] companies um interest in the site um is

[1:30:11] not necessarily a vote but we can

[1:30:13] instead of you know we can give

[1:30:16] direction in that. So I'm just putting

[1:30:17] that out there. That's one of the things

[1:30:19] you could do as a council tonight. Okay.

[1:30:21] >> So on this,

[1:30:23] >> I I I think that the question the the

[1:30:26] answer to the the question of can can we

[1:30:29] financially pay for this this is a this

[1:30:32] kind of a study would would help to

[1:30:34] answer that. But I I don't I agree that

[1:30:37] I don't think we're ready to to ask

[1:30:38] those questions quite yet because there

[1:30:40] are still a lot of unknowns. So

[1:30:44] >> okay. Um there are that's exactly right.

[1:30:48] A lot of unknowns. Um

[1:30:52] okay we'll go to 6.3 purchase of

[1:30:55] telemetry

[1:30:57] scattera. Is that what that is that says

[1:30:59] there? SCADA. Is that how we say SCADA?

[1:31:02] Uh telemetry system upgrade. Lane you're

[1:31:04] going to help us understand?

[1:31:06] >> Yes.

[1:31:06] >> All these terms. Please go ahead.

[1:31:08] >> So SCADA is the supervisor control and

[1:31:12] data acquisition system. Basically what

[1:31:15] it is is it it's the brains of the water

[1:31:17] system. It it turns on our water pumps,

[1:31:21] our chlorine feeders, our well. It's it monitors flows. Um

[1:31:28] it's it's the brains of the system. So

[1:31:30] it it runs automatically. It it gives me

[1:31:32] alarms if there's an issue with the

[1:31:35] system. Um out of power, it it does

[1:31:38] everything as far as operating the

[1:31:41] system. Um,

[1:31:43] >> it's the it's the controls. It's the

[1:31:45] control logic. It's the control brains.

[1:31:47] It's the computer

[1:31:48] >> that does it.

[1:31:49] >> Exactly. Yep. So, the current system we

[1:31:51] have is it was put in in the early 2000s

[1:31:55] and computers have come a long way since

[1:31:57] then. We we can't even get a lot of the

[1:32:00] parts that we currently use to replace

[1:32:04] if they do go bad. They have to be

[1:32:06] rebuilt. I can't like and sometimes that takes weeks to do, right? So,

[1:32:11] >> how old is our our system right now?

[1:32:13] >> Uh, 2025 20 I think it's 25 years old.

[1:32:17] So, I around right around 2000 it was

[1:32:20] put in. So,

[1:32:20] >> okay.

[1:32:21] >> Um,

[1:32:23] also with this new system, it's all

[1:32:25] going to be tied into fiber. So, it's more secure. It can't get well,

[1:32:31] it's a lot less likely to get

[1:32:32] intercepted going through the city's

[1:32:34] fiber. Um, it's a lot more secure. My

[1:32:37] recommendation is to go with the MA

[1:32:41] automation system that they provided um

[1:32:45] of $75,22

[1:32:48] >> and that has everything everything you

[1:32:51] could wish for.

[1:32:52] >> Everything that we need. Okay. Yes. Yep.

[1:32:55] Yeah. It's it's uh you can you can get

[1:32:58] way you you can go way above and beyond

[1:33:00] and we we don't need to. I'm I'm

[1:33:03] surprised they're more than $50,000

[1:33:05] cheaper than the next bidder.

[1:33:07] >> So are we.

[1:33:08] >> So So are we. And I reviewed this

[1:33:10] extensively with with Compute. He's he this is what he does over there. He really he reviews skate systems for

[1:33:17] other cities and and other people that

[1:33:19] use controls and he he was very

[1:33:22] surprised at the price. Um but it's it's

[1:33:25] equivalent or greater than the other

[1:33:26] ones as far as what we're putting in.

[1:33:28] So,

[1:33:29] >> so, so the bid that came in from SKM and

[1:33:31] APCO that were quite a bit more

[1:33:34] >> same system,

[1:33:35] >> same thing, same same equipment. I mean,

[1:33:37] they have different

[1:33:39] >> but but same same product, same same

[1:33:42] abilities. Okay.

[1:33:43] >> Probably different brands, but the same

[1:33:45] functionality.

[1:33:46] >> Yep. So,

[1:33:47] >> and nobody's going to get mad because

[1:33:48] we're using something from China, right?

[1:33:51] No, I I mean I don't I don't know that

[1:33:54] much about technology, so I'm really

[1:33:56] relying on Computch here and and I I've

[1:33:59] called on references for M8 and all of

[1:34:01] them really and and none of them had bad

[1:34:03] reviews, but M8 was

[1:34:07] >> Yeah, nobody had he had extraordinary

[1:34:10] reviews. So

[1:34:11] >> I I assume this has a flexibility is

[1:34:12] that we have you know new development

[1:34:15] and we have to change our systems or we

[1:34:17] have to send stuff up for the the animal

[1:34:20] control or something like that. This has

[1:34:22] the capacity to change and be flexible

[1:34:25] with us.

[1:34:25] >> This is this is strictly for the water

[1:34:27] system.

[1:34:28] >> This is our big water tank.

[1:34:29] >> Yeah. Yeah. So it

[1:34:32] >> what what I'm saying is as our water

[1:34:34] needs change over time, this is this

[1:34:36] system is flexible enough to adapt to

[1:34:39] all those needs. Yes. Yep.

[1:34:41] >> You can you can add to add to it. So, if

[1:34:44] there was like a new pump or something,

[1:34:46] it it's one of those things that can be

[1:34:48] added right into the system. We don't

[1:34:49] have to buy a whole new system for it to

[1:34:51] >> Did we Did we

[1:34:54] discuss or did they talk about how much

[1:34:58] extra IO they would have in the system,

[1:35:02] input output type stuff? Did do they did

[1:35:06] they indicate anything like that?

[1:35:10] Cap as far as water capacity.

[1:35:13] >> No, as far as like adding components as

[1:35:16] like adding a pump or adding a

[1:35:20] >> adding adding just being a little bit

[1:35:22] more flexible because if they

[1:35:24] >> if they have a panel and they have this

[1:35:27] much stuff to put in the panel,

[1:35:29] >> yes,

[1:35:29] >> then they cannot possibly put any the

[1:35:32] flexibility is low. But if they have a

[1:35:34] panel this big and they put this much in

[1:35:35] there, they have a lot of flexibility.

[1:35:37] That's what I'm talking about.

[1:35:39] >> So, the panel we're taking out is is

[1:35:42] huge. The one that's going back in is

[1:35:44] small. So, if So, yes, there is room to

[1:35:47] add add to it. It's flexible. I did I

[1:35:49] asked this question. We we can if we

[1:35:51] ever have a need for another tank, we

[1:35:53] can put more pumps on it. Yes.

[1:35:55] >> Yeah, that's that's what I'm asking is

[1:35:58] >> perfect. We can add

[1:35:58] >> the way they they add that is through

[1:36:00] >> Yes. IO, which is

[1:36:04] >> that's not in the in the bid, but I did

[1:36:06] that was verbally mentioned.

[1:36:07] >> You may just want to

[1:36:08] >> ask. I mean, I I I think you've done a

[1:36:12] fantastic job, by the way, researching

[1:36:15] this out. That That's a great price. I

[1:36:18] think you've

[1:36:19] >> agreed.

[1:36:19] >> This is awesome. Okay, good.

[1:36:22] >> Yeah, it's way below way below budget.

[1:36:24] So,

[1:36:25] >> well done. Yeah.

[1:36:27] >> Anything else from council on this right

[1:36:29] now? Thank you. Yep.

[1:36:31] >> Okay. Thanks so much, Lane. Thanks her

[1:36:33] for your work keeping our water flowing

[1:36:35] and clean.

[1:36:37] >> Thank you.

[1:36:37] >> Are you staying up here for trailer or

[1:36:39] are you going back down?

[1:36:40] >> Oh, yeah. Maybe you're staying right up

[1:36:41] here. We're going to

[1:36:44] >> just hang out.

[1:36:44] >> Sell us on it. Come on.

[1:36:46] >> Purchase of 6.4 purchase of public works

[1:36:48] trailer replacement.

[1:36:50] So, the current equipment trailer that

[1:36:52] we use, it it is capable of hauling the

[1:36:56] mini excavator around, but it's it's

[1:36:59] right at the limit. And I'm it's to be

[1:37:02] honest, it's becoming a safety issue.

[1:37:05] We, you know, we we have attachments

[1:37:07] that go with us to these jobs.

[1:37:10] Granted, it's not far from the shop, but

[1:37:12] it's it's we're almost overloading the

[1:37:15] trailer when when we take it. So,

[1:37:18] >> our recommendation is to to purchase

[1:37:20] another trailer. It'll have an

[1:37:22] additional axle. It'll be gooseeneck.

[1:37:25] >> This wasn't the trailer that was used

[1:37:26] for the float, was it?

[1:37:28] >> No. No. No. Different trailer. Different

[1:37:31] trailer. The new

[1:37:32] >> Hold the Old North Church just fine.

[1:37:33] >> Yeah.

[1:37:34] >> The new trailer we're proposing is it's

[1:37:36] gooseeneck. It's three axle. Um

[1:37:39] >> I've looked at them. They seem like

[1:37:40] great trailers. I They're

[1:37:42] >> Is it Is it the intent to keep the the

[1:37:43] old one as well?

[1:37:44] >> No. No. I I will sell it. We don't I

[1:37:47] don't need another trailer. So,

[1:37:48] >> okay.

[1:37:49] >> So, that'll be put back into the vehicle

[1:37:51] service fund.

[1:37:52] >> Yes. Yep. Yep. And I've and I've got a

[1:37:55] rough price for what it'll sell for. He

[1:37:58] said maybe seven. We're hoping for

[1:38:00] 7,000. So,

[1:38:02] >> are you going to just Are you trading

[1:38:03] that in or you going to put it for sale?

[1:38:05] >> I think I can get more out of it if I

[1:38:06] put it for sale through through the city

[1:38:08] and not trade it in.

[1:38:10] >> Yeah.

[1:38:10] I think you're right.

[1:38:11] >> Yeah. So, that was my plan.

[1:38:13] So,

[1:38:14] >> so um and no one is in public works is

[1:38:16] related to uh Mac trailer box

[1:38:20] >> raw max raw max

[1:38:22] >> or yeah raw match

[1:38:23] >> not that I'm aware of. I I I I say that

[1:38:27] almost in in Jess because actually I was

[1:38:30] reading minutes from another city a

[1:38:34] while back and they they voted to buy a

[1:38:37] new trailer just similar to to this kind

[1:38:40] of thing and then they found out that

[1:38:42] one of the city council members actually

[1:38:44] owned company the trailer was being

[1:38:46] bought from and I'm like

[1:38:49] >> that seems like a conflict.

[1:38:51] >> It's raw max. It's not raw moss. So I

[1:38:53] think we're okay on this side. We're

[1:38:54] okay. Thank you.

[1:38:56] >> Not not to my knowledge. So, yeah, my

[1:38:58] recommendation,

[1:38:58] >> I'm sure you're fine.

[1:38:59] >> Purchase a new trailer at the cost of

[1:39:01] $18,148.

[1:39:04] >> Again, under what you said, 28,000 was

[1:39:08] budgeted for a new utility vehicle for

[1:39:10] parks and using that budget for this

[1:39:13] instead. We're $10,000 underneath that

[1:39:15] amount. So, great job again there.

[1:39:17] >> Good. Good work.

[1:39:18] >> Thank you.

[1:39:21] >> All right. Item 6.6.

[1:39:25] Okay. Letter for the fifth. Fifth.

[1:39:28] >> Oh, number 6.5.

[1:39:31] >> Oh gosh. I see. Okay. Thank you, Gary. I

[1:39:34] skipped 6.5. Uh,

[1:39:37] sorry. Award bid for citywide survey.

[1:39:42] >> So, Darren's gonna

[1:39:43] >> Yeah,

[1:39:44] >> mayor and council, uh, we put out for

[1:39:45] the RFP for a a survey. We had, um, 17

[1:39:49] companies.

[1:39:50] >> Wow.

[1:39:50] >> Yeah. um that actually bid on the the

[1:39:54] project.

[1:39:55] >> Uh

[1:39:57] the the ones that we reviewed were

[1:40:00] within the what we budgeted as a city.

[1:40:03] Uh the ones that were up and above that

[1:40:06] um we did not review those. I actually

[1:40:07] did go through them and score them

[1:40:09] myself. Um but uh we weren't within the

[1:40:13] budget area. I used uh seven or eight

[1:40:19] um that were in the within the budget

[1:40:20] that we did. Um I had um seven

[1:40:24] individuals including myself uh score

[1:40:27] each one of them. Um the the scoring um

[1:40:32] came back within just about either the

[1:40:36] same score or within a point different.

[1:40:40] Um and looking at we scored on uh scope

[1:40:44] of work

[1:40:46] uh cost uh reference references

[1:40:51] experience. Can we can we work with

[1:40:56] these companies to help like for the you

[1:40:59] know one of your questions on the

[1:41:00] cemetery um I think the cemetery

[1:41:03] committee has explored so many things

[1:41:07] that we have some specific things we'd

[1:41:10] like answers to um so rather than being

[1:41:13] really broad-based can we help with that

[1:41:15] or do they just like put something

[1:41:16] together no

[1:41:18] >> answers to specific

[1:41:19] >> right it so part of The RFP states

[1:41:23] here's the basic topics um that were

[1:41:26] asked of the council or that's been

[1:41:28] talked about um

[1:41:31] that they had questions. Okay. Is the

[1:41:34] whole thing you want 20 questions just

[1:41:37] on this? How do you want to break it up?

[1:41:39] Um, yes, the council can give a a a a

[1:41:44] better subject and I I'm hoping we can

[1:41:46] talk about that maybe tonight a little

[1:41:48] bit to bring it more in line because

[1:41:50] each one of these is pretty broad um

[1:41:53] >> well yeah

[1:41:53] >> broad subject. A cemetery is a pretty

[1:41:55] broad subject.

[1:41:55] >> It is. And I'm looking at parks, trails,

[1:41:57] and recreation and I'm thinking, you

[1:41:59] know, they could go right back in and

[1:42:01] say, you know, we should put trails on

[1:42:04] people's property and the council has

[1:42:05] said we don't want to put trails on

[1:42:07] people's property. So why answer why ask

[1:42:11] the question? Cuz

[1:42:14] >> well I I think some of it is you're

[1:42:15] asking the question do do they want more

[1:42:18] trails in the city? Do they want more

[1:42:20] enemies or enemies? NO, WE DON'T WANT

[1:42:24] ANY more enemies. Do we want more things

[1:42:26] at the park? Do we want

[1:42:30] >> uh more playgrounds?

[1:42:32] >> Yes.

[1:42:33] >> All those different things are at the

[1:42:34] park. basketball courts

[1:42:36] >> or basketball courts or or you know or

[1:42:39] is there some you know is there

[1:42:41] >> so all the companies I mean going

[1:42:43] through them um they all have kind of

[1:42:45] have their their own approach uh not

[1:42:48] necessarily um but there there's a lot

[1:42:51] of sim similarities in all of those and

[1:42:54] as you as you kind of go through that um

[1:42:57] just looking at the scores um

[1:43:01] somebody may have gave oh man looking at

[1:43:03] the references scored everything yet

[1:43:06] when they scored their scope of work it

[1:43:08] may be a lot lower because it didn't

[1:43:10] match up to to all the you know things

[1:43:12] that they were expecting. Uh and so um

[1:43:16] each one of the the companies you know

[1:43:19] has a chance to um call and talk to uh

[1:43:23] and go through and ask questions. That's

[1:43:25] what I have been doing. Um I haven't got

[1:43:28] all of them back yet. I haven't got um

[1:43:31] but I I kind of limited it down to the

[1:43:35] top five, six and and the price range

[1:43:39] for those ones there. Um in between

[1:43:41] that. Um and then after we can get the

[1:43:45] questions and all those kind of things,

[1:43:46] I I could probably have it a lot better.

[1:43:49] Um

[1:43:50] >> but I also would like to get started. Um

[1:43:53] >> yeah, without another two week

[1:43:55] >> delay. I I was hoping I could get a lot

[1:43:57] of it back. couple more days to ask a

[1:44:00] couple more questions basically and then

[1:44:02] we could if council can approve

[1:44:04] something

[1:44:05] >> you know um within

[1:44:08] >> a range of that they're comfortable with

[1:44:10] and that he can allow him to make that

[1:44:12] decision within a few more days then uh

[1:44:14] it avoids another two week delay

[1:44:16] >> and there's there's things some of them

[1:44:18] um you go through it you know they

[1:44:21] >> aren't mailing out postcards one of them

[1:44:23] is or two of them are which I think is a

[1:44:26] really good thing um and So there's

[1:44:28] costs for those

[1:44:29] >> specific subjects that we're

[1:44:32] >> Yeah.

[1:44:33] There there are five five subjects

[1:44:35] that uh when we put the RFP together

[1:44:37] that um we wanted to talk uh that you

[1:44:41] want your survey to be about um no

[1:44:44] longer than 15 minutes because once you

[1:44:46] go past that point

[1:44:48] >> um

[1:44:49] >> you don't get your answers. You don't

[1:44:51] get anybody back with you. So there

[1:44:52] there's a lot um honestly there's a lot

[1:44:55] to it as you're going through it and

[1:44:57] you're

[1:44:57] >> and reading all those things

[1:44:59] >> unbiased

[1:44:59] >> and yeah very much uh I mean there there

[1:45:03] are some that are in Utah and there are

[1:45:04] some that are out of state and so there

[1:45:07] there's just a lot of moving parts to

[1:45:09] this

[1:45:10] >> and this survey is going to be used as

[1:45:12] part of our general plan so we're not

[1:45:14] duplicating that.

[1:45:15] >> Well the general plan has its own open

[1:45:18] houses and its own all those things

[1:45:20] going on too. um and part has a survey

[1:45:23] part of it um where they're calling for

[1:45:27] um public input and stuff like that. So

[1:45:31] I think we'll have less general plan

[1:45:34] questions and we're going to have more

[1:45:37] citywide questions.

[1:45:39] >> Sure. Future

[1:45:40] >> is where you know where do we see

[1:45:42] envision of the city going? Um all those

[1:45:45] kind of things that will just help us

[1:45:47] get information. Well, other than I mean

[1:45:50] there's only two items on here that

[1:45:52] really wouldn't be gerine to a general

[1:45:54] plan. I mean, election process and

[1:45:57] emergency services, which would probably

[1:45:58] be included even in a small way in

[1:46:02] there. But, uh, the concern that I've

[1:46:04] had and the concern that I want to

[1:46:06] address is the fear of bias when it

[1:46:09] comes to questions about how we ask

[1:46:11] questions. Um, are we are there things

[1:46:15] in the question that may or may not have

[1:46:17] biased? And the answer is really truly

[1:46:20] there isn't a way to ask questions

[1:46:23] without some bias in it. So in what ways

[1:46:25] are we going to do the very best to get

[1:46:29] the the question out and get the answer

[1:46:33] back that we can then wrestle with and

[1:46:35] say, you know,

[1:46:39] >> are they going to be attempting to

[1:46:40] survey every household?

[1:46:44] So all of them have said that they would

[1:46:46] send out um notification to as many

[1:46:50] households they could in for rights um

[1:46:53] if whether that's just taking the

[1:46:55] utility billings and using those address

[1:46:58] um buying the election um item that they

[1:47:03] can buy for those that are

[1:47:05] >> data that there's there's some different

[1:47:07] options that are available um which are

[1:47:10] once again they come to a cost

[1:47:12] >> in in larger cities they would not send

[1:47:14] to every household. They would take size

[1:47:16] in smaller a city our size. I think it

[1:47:19] is not without precedent to ask a

[1:47:22] company to send to every household and

[1:47:24] that

[1:47:25] um you know just to hit the matrix that

[1:47:28] we're required. um you you end up

[1:47:31] sending it out to a lot of people to

[1:47:34] meet those um different matrix and you

[1:47:38] may send it out and you may you may be

[1:47:40] short and so you send out a second

[1:47:42] reminder saying hey we we need responses

[1:47:45] and then you send them out um and then

[1:47:48] making sure that uh

[1:47:51] >> and and

[1:47:51] >> it requires you know you're a FH city

[1:47:54] resident or a property owner um so

[1:47:56] there's there's just a lot and

[1:47:59] >> I We want to do some pre, you know, some

[1:48:02] prep work to to the community via the

[1:48:04] ridge runner.

[1:48:06] >> I'm actually in the Runner this time

[1:48:08] going to put out that a survey will be

[1:48:10] coming.

[1:48:11] >> Um, be aware

[1:48:12] >> um because I want people to start

[1:48:14] thinking about that

[1:48:16] >> uh and so we're going to have it in the

[1:48:17] runner this month and we'll have it in

[1:48:19] the rich runner next month and and

[1:48:21] hopefully throughout September October

[1:48:25] we will be pushing out a lot of

[1:48:26] information for people to um be

[1:48:29] involved.

[1:48:31] >> Um so

[1:48:33] >> I I guess what I I'm really asking is

[1:48:36] for the council to uh approve an amount

[1:48:40] um not to go above so I can finish the

[1:48:43] research and then hire somebody um is

[1:48:47] what I what I'm trying to do so we can

[1:48:49] continue to move forward.

[1:48:51] >> Could you

[1:48:53] if we did something like that could we

[1:48:55] also add that we would like

[1:48:58] I don't know. I don't know if it works

[1:49:00] for you to call the council members and

[1:49:03] tell them I've decided to award the bid

[1:49:05] to blah blah blah.

[1:49:06] >> Oh, yeah. I I would definitely would.

[1:49:08] >> Um and I will tell you why.

[1:49:11] >> I' we've done that in the past is to to

[1:49:14] put kind of that kind of constraint. Um,

[1:49:17] I I don't feel like that's a crossing a line of an open and public meeting

[1:49:21] because if if we're going to spend this

[1:49:24] amount of money and we're doing we're

[1:49:26] and we approve that tonight, I think

[1:49:28] it's just the

[1:49:29] >> Oh, yeah. I No, I I definitely would.

[1:49:31] Um, like I said, there there's a lot of

[1:49:33] questions that I I put out. I'm waiting

[1:49:36] for the answers to come back or um I may

[1:49:40] they may have a question back to me and

[1:49:42] I and going back to them. It's turned

[1:49:44] into a a

[1:49:46] >> lot.

[1:49:48] >> I I was hoping, you know, everybody'd

[1:49:50] score it and we'd have one big

[1:49:53] >> clear,

[1:49:53] >> yep, this is the person and, you know,

[1:49:55] the scores would show that um but the

[1:49:58] scores were very tight and um through

[1:50:02] the whole thing for just this company or

[1:50:04] this company and and and it was just a

[1:50:08] lot more challenging um than I thought.

[1:50:10] So then we started asking questions.

[1:50:12] Okay, I got this question, this question. Um, and so I'm

[1:50:17] trying to take that opportunity to get

[1:50:18] those questions. I just honestly I did

[1:50:22] not feel comfortable tonight to say this

[1:50:24] is what I really think we should do. Um,

[1:50:26] I really didn't because I just don't

[1:50:28] have the information.

[1:50:29] >> But at the same time, you don't need two

[1:50:30] more weeks either. Like

[1:50:32] >> the second part is is we want to get a

[1:50:35] decision

[1:50:35] >> and so we can start

[1:50:37] >> moving forward and getting things

[1:50:39] working. Um the second part of that is I

[1:50:42] was hoping you know maybe that there are

[1:50:44] some questions the council had to narrow

[1:50:48] it down. Now it's not asking the

[1:50:49] question but it's narrowing the topic

[1:50:52] down to just a little bit tonight. And

[1:50:54] so that would be part of that. Um just

[1:50:58] saying

[1:50:59] >> sure

[1:51:00] >> on this one maybe we want to know this this

[1:51:03] >> or that that I can also put in there. Um

[1:51:07] they um all the companies um will be

[1:51:10] responsible for the questions. Um that's

[1:51:13] their

[1:51:14] >> that's

[1:51:17] » we don't we don't not write the

[1:51:19] questions ourselves. No.

[1:51:20] >> And so that's their expertise. Um but

[1:51:22] they they all said um that

[1:51:25] >> narrowing the subjects down a little

[1:51:27] bit. Um

[1:51:28] >> because they there they are pretty

[1:51:30] broad. I will tell you that they are

[1:51:31] pretty broad. just kind of narrowing

[1:51:32] down. And if the if there's really not a

[1:51:35] lot of questions about the general plan

[1:51:37] because we're going through that

[1:51:38] process, then we use those questions on

[1:51:41] the others.

[1:51:42] >> Sure.

[1:51:42] >> Because we can narrow it down and say,

[1:51:43] "Okay, we maybe we want six questions

[1:51:45] here, five questions here,

[1:51:48] >> um four questions here, and just kind of

[1:51:51] narrow it down to that to to keep it to

[1:51:53] the 25 to 30 questions is what they're

[1:51:57] saying. Um, every one of them is pretty

[1:51:59] much saying that's the max. you won't

[1:52:01] know no more than 30 questions because

[1:52:04] and and then also along with that they

[1:52:06] want to make sure your questions if you

[1:52:07] have a big open-ended question it's

[1:52:09] going to take a lot longer for people to

[1:52:11] answer that. So you want to make sure

[1:52:13] you're you're

[1:52:15] trying to keep the questions pretty

[1:52:18] >> straightforward.

[1:52:19] >> So the the amount of you're asking for

[1:52:21] is something less than 14,000. That's

[1:52:23] the max. The max one that um out of the that group was Yeah. was 14.

[1:52:32] >> You can get a really good survey done

[1:52:34] for something $14,000 or less.

[1:52:36] >> Yes.

[1:52:37] >> And the delta between the low the low

[1:52:39] bidder and that 14 was only $2,400. So,

[1:52:43] this isn't a question necessarily of

[1:52:44] huge amount of money. It just might be

[1:52:47] >> which which one is going to meet the

[1:52:48] needs of the community best.

[1:52:50] >> The the bids came in from

[1:52:53] um about 115 I believe to 62,000.

[1:52:58] >> 62.

[1:52:59] >> Yeah.

[1:53:00] >> Was an outlier.

[1:53:01] >> So there there's a huge range there. Um

[1:53:04] and even even on the RFP I I gave them

[1:53:07] this is the budget.

[1:53:09] >> Um and so um we we really looked at the

[1:53:13] ones that looked at the RFP and said

[1:53:15] yes, I can do it within the budget. Now,

[1:53:17] uh, if we were to say yes and allocate

[1:53:20] that funding, um, could we get a report

[1:53:23] on it at the next meeting, the short

[1:53:25] report of who

[1:53:25] >> Well, yeah. Once I make that decision, I

[1:53:28] would actually just let everybody know.

[1:53:30] >> But, but for the public, can we can we

[1:53:32] have a little

[1:53:32] >> on the next one, I just report this is

[1:53:34] the company what we went with at the

[1:53:36] next meeting.

[1:53:38] >> So, you need us to answer a few

[1:53:39] questions about specific questions.

[1:53:42] >> Yeah. I just I'm the topic

[1:53:45] >> or just like more narrow topic

[1:53:47] >> just just kind of on the topic. What kind of questions for the park?

[1:53:52] >> I mean do you want to see more

[1:53:54] playgrounds? Do you want to see baseball

[1:53:56] diamonds? Do you want to,

[1:53:58] >> you know, do you want to see more parks?

[1:54:01] >> Sure.

[1:54:01] >> I mean those kind of things. Um

[1:54:04] >> what would you like to see?

[1:54:04] >> Trails. Trails.

[1:54:06] >> What What would you like to I mean that

[1:54:07] narrows it down really good. What would

[1:54:09] you like to see with your parks?

[1:54:10] >> Um

[1:54:11] >> Sure. where where do you see the you

[1:54:13] know emergency services first of all are

[1:54:18] we happy with our emergency services I

[1:54:21] mean I think that's important is the

[1:54:24] community happy with the emergency

[1:54:26] services we're using do we do we need to

[1:54:29] look do we need to you know because they

[1:54:31] they've increased

[1:54:34] >> this might be a terribly dangerous

[1:54:35] question to ask but I would like a

[1:54:37] question about how um the public feels

[1:54:40] about their elected officials.

[1:54:43] >> You can do that in the middle of this.

[1:54:45] >> Not not maybe not so super specific, but

[1:54:47] I would like to see if if if people are

[1:54:49] feeling

[1:54:50] >> confident, you know, election process,

[1:54:52] >> election process,

[1:54:54] >> you know, it comes up in those kind of

[1:54:55] questions.

[1:54:56] >> Okay. So,

[1:54:56] >> caucus or primary uh we are the last

[1:54:59] city in the state to keep doing caucus.

[1:55:02] >> Yeah. I mean, so there's a serious I

[1:55:04] mean that that is I think that deserves

[1:55:06] asking. the previous survey has been un

[1:55:09] under some criticism from some members

[1:55:12] of the council and this is an

[1:55:13] opportunity to

[1:55:14] >> yeah it's an opportunity to ask the same

[1:55:16] question. So

[1:55:17] >> term limits same deal

[1:55:19] >> but I I just think there's just a few

[1:55:22] ideas or a few questions with those

[1:55:24] topics and then they can take those and

[1:55:28] um really research the question or

[1:55:31] research how to write a question or come

[1:55:34] up with four or five questions. So

[1:55:36] great.

[1:55:37] >> Okay.

[1:55:39] >> Thank you, Darren.

[1:55:42] Okay. Now, 6.6 letter for the fifth local option sales tax support.

[1:55:49] Okay.

[1:55:51] This one is

[1:55:53] um a topic that is out there in our

[1:55:55] county right now. I'm going to see if I

[1:55:57] can explain this for the public and for

[1:56:00] your benefit. Um

[1:56:03] possibly for the council, too. I it took

[1:56:05] me a couple of meetings, you know, we

[1:56:07] Darren and I were both invited to work

[1:56:09] meetings on this where we had um you

[1:56:12] know, smart people explaining it to us

[1:56:15] and opportunity to ask questions. So,

[1:56:16] I'm going to try to bring that

[1:56:17] information um here tonight to you. Um

[1:56:22] the question before us is whether to

[1:56:24] submit the a letter. I've got a letter

[1:56:26] uh written of support that from our city

[1:56:29] of supporting this the the adoption of

[1:56:32] this um local option sales tax by our

[1:56:35] county. It's the county that would be

[1:56:36] adopting this, not our city. Just to be

[1:56:39] clear, counties are authorized by the

[1:56:41] state legislature to adopt this local

[1:56:44] option sales tax. um just from a high

[1:56:47] level view. Okay. Sales taxes are

[1:56:51] collected by the state as we know and

[1:56:54] then distributed out to cities and and

[1:56:57] counties based on a formula that

[1:56:59] involves half of it being based on the

[1:57:01] point of sale where the sales tax was

[1:57:04] collected and half of it being awarded

[1:57:06] based on population of your city. And so

[1:57:09] we don't get a whole lot from point of

[1:57:11] sale obviously although it's always

[1:57:13] brought up Amazon purchases count but um

[1:57:17] population we're also small so we you

[1:57:20] know but that's anyway that's a longer

[1:57:22] discussion that's how sales taxes are

[1:57:23] divided local option sales taxes are are

[1:57:27] options that are approve that are

[1:57:29] authorized the legislature authorizes

[1:57:33] counties to um adopt or enact that um a certain percentage um and that money

[1:57:42] will stay in that locality in that

[1:57:45] county and it's in in in most cases it's

[1:57:48] divided up in some fashion between

[1:57:50] county and cities. Um this started many many many years ago with a first

[1:57:56] quarter, a second quarter, a third

[1:57:57] quarter and a fourth quarter. Quarter

[1:58:00] meaning it's a quarter of 1% is the

[1:58:03] amount of that sales tax. Okay. So these

[1:58:06] are always focused on supporting um

[1:58:10] transit or transportation funding in the

[1:58:13] locality in the case of local option

[1:58:15] sales tax in the county where they're

[1:58:17] adopted whether that's um distributed to use the money for um from the county

[1:58:23] level for transit or transportation

[1:58:25] projects or

[1:58:28] u distributed back to individual cities

[1:58:30] for their transportation or transit um

[1:58:33] needs. um those first four quarters are

[1:58:37] all focused on on transit or

[1:58:40] transportation in some fashion and

[1:58:41] divided up. Those are already enacted.

[1:58:43] Those are already part of our the sales

[1:58:45] taxes that we pay. And to be clear,

[1:58:47] because it was asked of me earlier, um

[1:58:50] this does not apply to purchases of

[1:58:53] food, gasoline, or of real estate. So

[1:58:57] those three things, sales taxes do not

[1:59:00] apply to those three things. So we're

[1:59:01] not talking about groceries or gas. um

[1:59:04] or selling your house in this in this

[1:59:06] case, but other goods and services where

[1:59:07] sales tax does apply. Okay.

[1:59:10] So, the fifth fifth is the one currently

[1:59:13] before us now and um

[1:59:17] >> it's called a fifth fifth because it's a

[1:59:18] fifth of a percent.20.

[1:59:20] >> So, this document says Weber County, but

[1:59:22] this is it's for Davis County. It's the

[1:59:25] equivalent.

[1:59:26] >> I'll mention that it's the same. Yeah,

[1:59:27] it's the same.

[1:59:29] So, this is a document um from off of

[1:59:32] the website of uh Wasach Front Regional

[1:59:34] Council that's explanatory. Anybody can

[1:59:36] pull this up um if you search for it at

[1:59:39] um at home too, but it's here. And um

[1:59:43] I'm going to try to explain this. The

[1:59:44] fifth fifth is called such as I said

[1:59:48] because it's a fifth. It's not a

[1:59:49] quarter. It's it's 20 uh or 0.20%.

[1:59:53] And so just right off the bat, I'll say

[1:59:56] in dollar amounts in terms of how much

[1:59:59] that adds to um a purchase that equates

[2:00:03] to two cents on a $10 purchase or 20

[2:00:08] cents on a $100 purchase. And you can do

[2:00:10] the math going up. It's not very much.

[2:00:14] Um but um it is and and to let's see can

[2:00:20] you can you go past the text? Do you

[2:00:22] have the next one where it's a little

[2:00:23] bit more visual for for this?

[2:00:26] >> So, just to be clear, it's not just

[2:00:29] purchases inside of Fruit Height City.

[2:00:31] It's purchases anywhere in the

[2:00:33] >> throughout the county. Correct.

[2:00:35] Throughout the county. This would apply

[2:00:36] throughout Davis County. So, um the 20%

[2:00:40] um is would be divided up between cities

[2:00:44] and counties in this fashion. So, 05%

[2:00:48] would come to cities. Okay. Okay. Now,

[2:00:50] that would come directly to us. It's not

[2:00:52] something we have to apply for or bid

[2:00:55] for against other cities in our county.

[2:00:57] So, that for Fruit Heights and for any

[2:01:00] city, that's a plus, right? It comes

[2:01:02] straight to us. Um, and in dollar terms,

[2:01:06] it's estimated, uh, where things are

[2:01:09] right now, that's about $44,000 a year

[2:01:12] that would come to our city that we

[2:01:14] would be able to use toward our roads,

[2:01:16] um, sidewalks, trails, transportation,

[2:01:19] broadly defined. Okay. Um going down to

[2:01:23] the um the bottom there, the F.05

[2:01:28] would go to the county

[2:01:31] um for to be used for transportation and

[2:01:35] public and or public safety. So the

[2:01:38] county could use that on transportation

[2:01:40] or transit um things. Transit meaning

[2:01:44] buses um bus service or or trains or

[2:01:47] trams and things like that. That's

[2:01:48] transit, right? and transportation

[2:01:50] includes roads, bridges, sidewalks, um

[2:01:53] trails, all those things. And that would

[2:01:55] go to the county for um use use from that from their level,

[2:02:02] right? Okay. So then that takes care of

[2:02:05] half of it. So then the middle box

[2:02:07] there, the 10%

[2:02:10] um that's where this is this this is

[2:02:13] where we're talking about why this has

[2:02:15] suddenly come up right now for Davis

[2:02:18] County. So, it's interesting. I hope I

[2:02:20] explained this correctly. The

[2:02:22] legislature built a timeline into this

[2:02:25] bill. Um, and there was a a timeline

[2:02:29] that would be triggered um at the point

[2:02:32] when a certain number of counties had adopted this tax. Okay. Weber County

[2:02:39] just recently adopted this tax and they

[2:02:42] were the the one that put it over that

[2:02:44] threshold and triggered a three-year

[2:02:47] time clock if you want to say it that

[2:02:49] way. Okay. So they they made uh made it

[2:02:54] so this number of counties have now have

[2:02:56] now adopted it. Now there's a time clock

[2:02:59] three years from the time when in this

[2:03:02] case Weber County um adopted that tax.

[2:03:05] for three years. The legislature will

[2:03:06] allow counties to use um that middle

[2:03:12] um10%

[2:03:15] as um

[2:03:18] uh for and that so that goes from till

[2:03:21] October 2029 for any purpose determined

[2:03:26] by the county commissioners. So that

[2:03:29] goes way beyond public safety or

[2:03:31] transport, transit or anything else. for

[2:03:33] any purpose they determine for three

[2:03:35] years. Legislature says for three years

[2:03:37] you can use it at your discretion and

[2:03:40] after which so then you see it split

[2:03:42] again up there on the diagram after that

[2:03:44] point which is now um going to be

[2:03:47] October 2029

[2:03:49] um that that middle 10% will be divided

[2:03:53] this way and it will go uh the top one

[2:03:56] says 05 to transit again within the

[2:03:59] county. All of this stays within the

[2:04:01] county determined by the county

[2:04:03] legislative body for transit and the

[2:04:04] other 0.05 5 goes to the TTIF commuter

[2:04:08] rail sub account. Um, which I believe, I

[2:04:11] hope I'm not mistaken saying this, I

[2:04:12] think that's aimed at um, frontr runner

[2:04:15] updates with the Olympics coming. Um,

[2:04:19] there is a um, a push and a hope and and

[2:04:24] work toward getting um, the front runner

[2:04:27] basically twice as efficient, twice as

[2:04:29] many rides, twice as many um, twice as

[2:04:32] often as it is now. And that involves

[2:04:34] double tracking in along several places.

[2:04:37] So that's an expensive project. Part of

[2:04:38] that lies within our county. This money,

[2:04:41] some of that money here, this 05 would

[2:04:43] after three years go into a sub account

[2:04:45] toward that. So um so the reason this is

[2:04:49] up right now is because the time clock

[2:04:50] has started. Davis County is saying,

[2:04:53] "Hey, if we if we act now, we can use

[2:04:56] three years worth of this revenue on

[2:04:58] anything that at our discretion and we

[2:05:01] have some needs we'd like to use it on."

[2:05:03] The ones that were enumerated to us in

[2:05:05] meetings included um county jail

[2:05:08] expansion and updates. Correct me if I'm

[2:05:10] wrong, Darren, from what you recall. Um

[2:05:13] jail and the justice center um and

[2:05:15] housing for um county employees there,

[2:05:17] attorneys and others associated with

[2:05:19] that work. Um,

[2:05:22] remind me if I'm missing anything on

[2:05:23] that list. There's some projects that

[2:05:25] they wanted. I don't know if animal

[2:05:27] shelter fits under that. She mentioned

[2:05:29] earlier they are going to be asking for

[2:05:31] funds, but

[2:05:32] >> question

[2:05:32] >> that equals Yes, just one second. That

[2:05:35] equals that portion

[2:05:37] in numbers um is estimated at pull it

[2:05:42] off this paper. I think 8 million

[2:05:47] that 10% that would go to the county and

[2:05:50] be discretionary for three years and

[2:05:53] then thereafter be divided in those

[2:05:54] other two ways. So it's a significant

[2:05:57] amount. Um what's your question David?

[2:06:00] So, uh, Commissioner Kamalu was here at

[2:06:03] the beginning of the meeting. Um, but

[2:06:06] she didn't say specifically about this,

[2:06:08] uh, uh, issue. Is is are we aware if our

[2:06:13] county commissioners are in support of

[2:06:15] this effort and we're we're trying to

[2:06:18] show our support for them? What's I'm

[2:06:20] just curious what the purpose of this

[2:06:22] is. the county commissioners would uh

[2:06:25] appreciate. No, they they would like to

[2:06:29] of course take advantage of this

[2:06:31] opportunity because obviously it

[2:06:33] represents um an income stream that is

[2:06:38] um that that does not require property

[2:06:40] tax raising in order to accomplish major

[2:06:43] projects for residents. We all use law

[2:06:46] enforcement and justice and and all the

[2:06:48] other things, right?

[2:06:50] um the other the other options to pay

[2:06:53] for that would be the property tax

[2:06:55] raise. So they would like to use it but

[2:06:59] they would also like to feel supported

[2:07:02] and feel buy in and feel that residents

[2:07:04] are okay with that.

[2:07:05] >> Okay. Um, so just to highlight a little

[2:07:08] bit here, um,

[2:07:10] factors that that that go into this

[2:07:14] property tax, sales tax, income tax,

[2:07:17] we're not really talking about that one

[2:07:18] right now, but these these taxes work

[2:07:20] differently.

[2:07:21] A property tax hits only the people who

[2:07:24] live and own property here. And which

[2:07:27] means only residents of Davis County.

[2:07:29] And um of course we all are aware

[2:07:32] property tax just just occurred um

[2:07:35] recently within our county. A sales tax

[2:07:39] um is different than that, right? It

[2:07:42] captures sales. So, anyone visiting from

[2:07:46] outside the county, purchasing

[2:07:48] something, staying in a hotel, buying

[2:07:50] anything, buying a ticket to Lagoon or

[2:07:52] whatever, we have thousands and

[2:07:54] thousands of visitors to our county um

[2:07:57] every year because of the many cool

[2:07:59] stuff, cool things we've got here.

[2:08:00] Cherry Hill, I'll say, um, and those

[2:08:04] from outside the county, then you're

[2:08:05] harnessing that income stream from from

[2:08:08] expenditures that others make and not

[2:08:10] just s placing it on residents with

[2:08:13] property taxes. So, that is that is um

[2:08:17] advantageous to us. Of course, it's

[2:08:19] Davis County residents. We also travel

[2:08:20] to Weber County and Morgan County and

[2:08:24] Cash County, all these other, you know,

[2:08:25] we're paying this tax in their counties.

[2:08:27] And so, you know, they can this allows

[2:08:31] them to pay it in our county when they

[2:08:32] come and support our own transportation

[2:08:35] um needs and other other various needs

[2:08:38] that this might be spent on. So, it

[2:08:40] harnesses um that and it doesn't fall as

[2:08:44] heavy on just our residents. you're you're accessing a um a revenue

[2:08:51] stream that is far more diversified, far

[2:08:54] more, you know, from outside the county

[2:08:56] and things like that. And um and that

[2:08:59] doesn't require you can accomplish some things for residents without having

[2:09:03] to levy uh or um increase the property

[2:09:07] tax that's on their property right now.

[2:09:10] Um, you know, I know that none of us

[2:09:12] generally speaking are like, "Yay, more

[2:09:15] taxes." You know,

[2:09:17] uh, I'm I don't, you know, I don't

[2:09:20] relish that at all. But, uh, the reality

[2:09:22] is we have a community. We have growing

[2:09:25] community needs and things do cost more

[2:09:27] money all the time. And these are

[2:09:29] services that benefit us all. um

[2:09:33] fire and and police and the uh other

[2:09:36] things that of safety um jail things

[2:09:40] like that, you know, do we want to say,

[2:09:42] "Oh, you know, let's not um do this and let's just keep our jail, you know,

[2:09:48] in a place where it's going to be

[2:09:49] underfunctioning and then they don't

[2:09:51] have room to keep whoever they they've

[2:09:52] got to just release, you know, whoever

[2:09:55] it is into the community and and that's

[2:09:57] not probably a situ right? We want to

[2:09:59] keep up with what the needs are for

[2:10:01] safety and for public needs. Um, and

[2:10:04] that's where um where this can be

[2:10:07] advantageous without as heavy a burden

[2:10:10] as a as a property tax increase feels

[2:10:12] often to many people.

[2:10:15] >> Um, mayor,

[2:10:16] >> so I've tried to explain that as best I

[2:10:17] can. It's a little complex, I know, but

[2:10:19] yeah,

[2:10:20] >> I think some of the that I understood

[2:10:22] was that um the county commissioners um

[2:10:27] wanted um the cities to support it um

[2:10:31] because they're also getting money from

[2:10:34] this um before they said, "Yeah, we're

[2:10:37] 100% in support of this." Um if the

[2:10:40] cities aren't in support of this, um I I

[2:10:43] would bet they will not do it. But if

[2:10:46] the cities are in support of this and um

[2:10:50] want to continue to move forward, this

[2:10:52] is what that is saying is that uh Fruit

[2:10:55] Heights is in support of this. Um

[2:10:59] and and having it move forward. It's

[2:11:02] just that's that's kind of the the

[2:11:04] understanding I had from the the

[2:11:07] meetings that I was in.

[2:11:08] >> Yeah.

[2:11:09] >> On this portion of it.

[2:11:10] >> And there is a lot to this. it it it

[2:11:13] takes a little bit to kind of go through

[2:11:15] it and

[2:11:16] >> get it. Um, and there was always a lot

[2:11:18] of questions when we went through it.

[2:11:20] Um, but yeah, it's just one of those

[2:11:22] items that

[2:11:24] >> When does the when does the county

[2:11:25] commission plan to vote on this? Do you

[2:11:28] know?

[2:11:30] >> I I I think they're going to have

[2:11:32] another probably another work session.

[2:11:34] >> I don't know. They don't have a vote

[2:11:36] scheduled right now.

[2:11:38] >> Yeah, they don't have one voted. um they their comment was is if the

[2:11:43] >> cities are are willing to support this

[2:11:46] and say they're willing to support this

[2:11:49] then we will really take a hard look at

[2:11:51] it and

[2:11:54] move that way. Um if the if the cities

[2:11:56] aren't supporting it um they don't even

[2:12:00] though they may want it they they don't

[2:12:03] know what they'll do. So that's my

[2:12:05] understanding from the the meetings I

[2:12:07] was in. So,

[2:12:09] >> thank you.

[2:12:09] >> You know, and and as far as visitors to

[2:12:13] our county, as I mentioned, I mean, we

[2:12:14] do have Cherry Hill and of course, and

[2:12:16] sometimes we have events that come

[2:12:17] through in the past. We've had the the

[2:12:19] bike ride. What was that one called? The

[2:12:22] Anyway, um we when visitors come through

[2:12:25] from other counties, you know, they're

[2:12:27] using our roads and our trails and our

[2:12:28] infrastructure and things. So it it

[2:12:30] makes some sense that we um access

[2:12:35] sharing that sharing that load of you

[2:12:37] know money that can help maintain those

[2:12:40] uh that infrastructure. Um that's p you

[2:12:43] know being paid for by some of their

[2:12:45] spending dollars as well as our own. Um

[2:12:48] of course it includes us too. We're not

[2:12:50] exempt from it. We we live and shop here

[2:12:52] as well. Um so

[2:12:55] um

[2:12:58] let's see what other I I think that's

[2:13:01] about as complete explanation as I can

[2:13:02] offer. Are there thoughts from the

[2:13:04] council on supporting

[2:13:06] um or not supporting or or further

[2:13:08] questions about this tax before we

[2:13:12] >> So this is what we'd be voting on is

[2:13:15] sending a letter to our county saying

[2:13:18] Brute Heights is in support of this or

[2:13:20] Fruit Heights is or remaining silent

[2:13:24] or would we if we were not in support of

[2:13:27] this do you send a letter or do you

[2:13:32] >> time to talk

[2:13:34] Yeah.

[2:13:34] >> What's that, Eileen?

[2:13:36] >> So, another choice is to table it for

[2:13:38] two weeks. It only got on our agenda

[2:13:40] yesterday afternoon, and I think a lot

[2:13:42] of people were not aware it's there. Um,

[2:13:45] we've had a we've had a lot of, um,

[2:13:48] information saying why we should do it.

[2:13:50] Um, I haven't heard cons. Um, and I'd

[2:13:54] like to have the opportunity to have

[2:13:57] more discussion.

[2:14:02] Um, that's what this time is for. This

[2:14:04] is for discussion.

[2:14:05] >> Well, the I can think of some cons right

[2:14:07] now.

[2:14:07] >> Discussion outside of our city council

[2:14:09] meeting with members of the community

[2:14:11] and with county commissioners. I mean,

[2:14:13] we've represented what they're saying,

[2:14:15] but

[2:14:18] I'd like to discuss it with them.

[2:14:23] » Do you have do you have a um WFRC or

[2:14:26] anyone else? Have they asked for a

[2:14:28] timeline

[2:14:30] on on getting a recommendation letter?

[2:14:33] >> Um

[2:14:36] I think just as soon as soon as may be

[2:14:39] uh just because the timeline the

[2:14:41] timeline I described that the time clock

[2:14:44] you know that had that has started that

[2:14:46] the county is looking at um is ticking

[2:14:49] ever since we were

[2:14:52] >> ever since ever since voted to to say

[2:14:55] yes.

[2:14:55] >> Yeah. So this the longer we delay it

[2:15:00] just means like the less window of

[2:15:02] opportunity there is to capture that

[2:15:04] revenue and use it for the benefit of

[2:15:06] our county and our residents. So

[2:15:10] yeah, I there there's no deadline

[2:15:13] imposed or or asked of us other than

[2:15:15] that that I know of. It's just that

[2:15:18] that's that's the reality that's there.

[2:15:20] is a clock that's ticking on that

[2:15:23] of opportunity. So

[2:15:30] » Gary, you have some thoughts on this?

[2:15:32] >> Um, I I I have no problem with

[2:15:35] tableabling it and hearing I I it's uh

[2:15:42] you know, we don't we don't know

[2:15:43] everything. It's nice to hear just what

[2:15:46] other people might

[2:15:49] have against it. um or you know hear

[2:15:53] some some differing opinions just

[2:15:57] and bring it bring it back in two weeks.

[2:16:02] » David, any thoughts?

[2:16:04] >> No more questions.

[2:16:05] >> Okay,

[2:16:07] >> Blake, anything? I'm just a little bit

[2:16:09] concerned about the framing of it being

[2:16:11] that this is better than a a different

[2:16:15] type of tax because we don't have to go

[2:16:17] through a truth in taxation potentially.

[2:16:20] Um

[2:16:21] >> it's a good point

[2:16:22] >> that um I don't think that and the

[2:16:27] timeline there of 3 years where the um

[2:16:31] county commission is able to make

[2:16:33] decisions with it that could potentially

[2:16:36] be funding that goes almost anywhere.

[2:16:39] Um, I don't feel like that is the

[2:16:45] to my mind I don't love the idea that we

[2:16:49] don't have a specificity on that on that

[2:16:52] use rather than that there would be a

[2:16:55] timeline that that would then be used

[2:16:56] for transportation. With that being

[2:16:59] said, I do support

[2:17:01] um

[2:17:03] making sure that our transportation is

[2:17:05] safe and that we are prepared for the

[2:17:07] Olympics and that we have those things

[2:17:08] in place. I would I would also prefer to

[2:17:11] have a little bit of time to dig into

[2:17:12] this. It's not, you know, if you say

[2:17:14] that on $10 this is two cents, that

[2:17:17] really is not something that I think

[2:17:19] most of us would just say, well, okay.

[2:17:21] Um, but uh whenever we're talking about

[2:17:24] taxes, I think that we need to have a

[2:17:27] little bit more data to

[2:17:30] bring to our neighbors and to the

[2:17:32] residents that we represent.

[2:17:34] >> Um, even though this is just this isn't

[2:17:36] a vote on saying yes to that tax. This

[2:17:38] is a vote on supporting or not

[2:17:41] supporting, but um I'm a little bit

[2:17:43] uncomfortable.

[2:17:44] >> Okay, I'm a little uncomfortable with

[2:17:45] that. So, the county um I've not been on

[2:17:48] to the county website about this only

[2:17:50] because I've been in the meetings

[2:17:51] anyway. So, I feel like I've received

[2:17:53] some information. they'll they'll I'm

[2:17:55] sure they have resources to bring out um you know further things to maybe that would

[2:18:04] um elucidate

[2:18:06] better than I have um whatever those u

[2:18:11] things are that they would be wanting to utilize these resources for in our

[2:18:15] county. Um as I say, I'm I'm the ones

[2:18:20] that I've mentioned here were mentioned

[2:18:21] in the meetings I was in. It may or may

[2:18:23] not be a complete list of what the needs

[2:18:26] are and this money could be um utilized

[2:18:29] for. So that's um

[2:18:32] further information that could be could

[2:18:34] be um obtained, I'm sure. Um

[2:18:38] the

[2:18:40] uh well, I guess maybe that's all I all

[2:18:42] I need to say about that. Um,

[2:18:47] is there where's Oh, where is there um

[2:18:51] before moving to the next is that is

[2:18:54] that everything that is there anything

[2:18:55] else you want to mention? I think we've

[2:18:58] gone we've gone down the row. So, thank

[2:19:00] you very much. Um,

[2:19:04] if Commissioner Kamala were still here,

[2:19:06] she could probably answer some of that,

[2:19:07] but that's all right. Um, action items.

[2:19:10] We'll go to 7.1.

[2:19:13] We've already taken care of that one.

[2:19:14] >> Yeah, we've taken care of that one.

[2:19:16] We're going to move past that. And thank

[2:19:17] you, council, for taking care of that

[2:19:18] one. 7.2.

[2:19:20] >> Make a motion to table the LRB cemetery

[2:19:23] financial proposal.

[2:19:25] >> I'll second that.

[2:19:30] » A motion from Eileen and a second from

[2:19:32] Gary on tableabling the LB proposal for

[2:19:36] now. Is there discussion on that before

[2:19:38] voting?

[2:19:40] Okay. Um, all in favor of that motion,

[2:19:43] please say yes.

[2:19:45] >> Yes.

[2:19:45] >> Any oppose say no.

[2:19:48] >> That motion passes 4 to zero. Um, that

[2:19:52] item will be tabled be revisited perhaps

[2:19:54] later at a later date. Um

[2:19:58] 7.3 purchase of telemetry SCADA system

[2:20:02] upgrade

[2:20:03] >> to award the bid to M8 automation for a

[2:20:07] total amount of $75,22.

[2:20:10] Second.

[2:20:11] >> Have a motion from Eileen and a second

[2:20:12] from Blake. Any further questions or

[2:20:14] discussions there?

[2:20:15] >> Yeah, I want to I want to just discuss

[2:20:17] one quick thing.

[2:20:19] >> Lane, um

[2:20:22] maybe in your conversations with them if

[2:20:26] you can just see how much additional

[2:20:29] capacity they have to add to be just a

[2:20:32] little bit more just to be flexible just

[2:20:34] to make sure that we're flexible. I know

[2:20:37] that you've already kind of checked

[2:20:38] that, but just

[2:20:40] >> how how much more weight can this

[2:20:42] trailer hold than what you have?

[2:20:43] >> No, this is No, this is this is this is

[2:20:46] Sorry, this is a skater. Thank you. So,

[2:20:48] all I'm all I'm saying is

[2:20:50] >> let's move it on. Um

[2:20:53] if if if we need to add a little bit of

[2:20:55] money to to make it a little bit more

[2:20:58] flexible for future needs,

[2:21:01] maybe maybe you come back to the council

[2:21:04] for a little bit additional.

[2:21:07] If that's if that's needed, if you deem

[2:21:10] that's needed, I think 15 20% would be

[2:21:15] completely adequate.

[2:21:17] So, I I'm more than happy to go to him,

[2:21:20] but with the conversations I've had with

[2:21:23] him, this this system's flexible. We we

[2:21:26] can add and I mean, yeah, it's going to

[2:21:27] cost us to add, you know, put on I mean,

[2:21:30] it's going to be more

[2:21:31] >> wiring, more computers, more more all

[2:21:33] that, but

[2:21:33] >> I recognize that this this is maybe a

[2:21:35] moot point

[2:21:37] >> and I'm completely supportive of this

[2:21:40] >> this bid. Um I'm backing it 100%. I'm

[2:21:43] just saying that if if you find that for

[2:21:47] some reason we need

[2:21:50] some more just a little bit more money

[2:21:52] to make it a little better because but

[2:21:55] it sounds like it's already taken care

[2:21:56] of.

[2:21:57] >> Yeah, but I I can ask him. I can talk to

[2:21:58] him.

[2:21:58] >> That's I'm just asking you to

[2:22:02] >> be real comfortable.

[2:22:03] >> Just be Yeah, just just ask one more

[2:22:05] question.

[2:22:06] Terry, do you mind if I ask what the

[2:22:08] concern is? Is this about compatibility

[2:22:11] going forward that we might have a

[2:22:12] system that is closed?

[2:22:14] >> It's not it's not compatibility. It's future needs that if we expand or

[2:22:18] we do something have an additional pump.

[2:22:22] So, just my background, I I I

[2:22:26] have to my in my line of work, I have to

[2:22:30] uh get my equipment to I'm not the guy

[2:22:33] that does it, but I I'm the manager that

[2:22:36] has to get people to do it. And I have

[2:22:40] ran I have run out of space.

[2:22:43] And it it's horrible because it's super

[2:22:47] cheap at this phase to put in extra

[2:22:50] space.

[2:22:51] And and so I know that we it's probably

[2:22:55] there, but it's so cheap right now. I

[2:22:59] just want to I want you to just ask the

[2:23:01] question.

[2:23:02] >> Yeah.

[2:23:02] >> And if we need to add a little bit more

[2:23:04] money later,

[2:23:06] it'd be awesome to do it now.

[2:23:09] >> So I can I'll ask him. I'll talk to him

[2:23:11] tomorrow.

[2:23:11] >> Okay.

[2:23:12] >> Thanks, Gary. Good thoughts.

[2:23:14] >> Uh further did you did I hear something

[2:23:17] down here?

[2:23:18] >> We had a motion. Did we get a second?

[2:23:20] Yes, it was you. Yeah, it was you.

[2:23:23] >> You were the second. I was second.

[2:23:24] Sorry. I was say I was about to second

[2:23:26] it again. I'm just like I second this

[2:23:28] motion forward.

[2:23:30] >> I have a motion from Eileen, a second

[2:23:32] from Blake, and a second. Second from

[2:23:34] Mike.

[2:23:36] >> I think that's a third at that point

[2:23:37] now. So,

[2:23:39] >> all in favor of this motion, please say

[2:23:41] yes.

[2:23:42] >> Any oppose, say no.

[2:23:44] >> Motion passes unanimously. Thank you.

[2:23:47] Council of 7.4, for purchase of public

[2:23:49] works trailer replacement.

[2:23:52] >> Motion to purchase public works trailer

[2:23:54] replacement.

[2:23:56] >> Second

[2:23:57] from Rawax

[2:23:58] >> from Rawax.

[2:23:59] >> Romax

[2:24:00] >> trailers,

[2:24:02] 148

[2:24:03] >> for 18,148.

[2:24:05] >> Second. Oh,

[2:24:07] >> I already have a second from David.

[2:24:08] >> I already got it early. We're all

[2:24:11] seconded.

[2:24:12] >> Beat you to the punch. So, I have a I

[2:24:15] have a motion from Gary, a second from

[2:24:16] David. Is there any further question or

[2:24:18] discussion on this item?

[2:24:21] Okay. All in favor of this motion,

[2:24:23] please say yes.

[2:24:24] >> Yes.

[2:24:25] >> Any oppose, say no. Motion passes four

[2:24:28] to zero.

[2:24:30] Um, thank you, council. And we'll go

[2:24:33] turn the page over. 7.5 award bid for

[2:24:36] citywide survey. In this case,

[2:24:39] um, not awarding a bid, but do I have a

[2:24:41] motion for what was described earlier to

[2:24:45] approve an amount?

[2:24:47] >> Motion motion to appropriate $14,000 for

[2:24:50] a city-wide survey.

[2:24:53] >> It's already appropriated.

[2:24:54] >> Motion to approve.

[2:24:56] >> Award approved.

[2:24:59] >> Is that sufficient language wise?

[2:25:01] >> Approve is good. You got that.

[2:25:02] >> Motion to approve award for $14,000 for

[2:25:04] a citywide survey.

[2:25:05] >> Have a motion from Blake. Do I have a

[2:25:07] second there?

[2:25:08] >> Second.

[2:25:08] >> I have a second from David. Thank you.

[2:25:10] Is there further discussion or question

[2:25:12] on this or comment?

[2:25:15] Okay. All in favor of this motion,

[2:25:18] please say yes.

[2:25:19] >> Yes.

[2:25:20] >> Any opposed? Say no.

[2:25:22] >> No.

[2:25:24] >> Motion passes by a 3 to one vote.

[2:25:28] Uh Gary voting against, other three

[2:25:30] voting in favor.

[2:25:34] Um, thank you council. That passes of

[2:25:37] 7.6 a letter for uh fifth fifth local

[2:25:41] option sales tax um support. Uh I should

[2:25:44] say letter to the county I guess but

[2:25:47] >> do I have a motion on this

[2:25:48] >> to table a letter for the fifth fifth

[2:25:51] local option sales tax support?

[2:25:54] >> I have a motion from Eileen to table. Is

[2:25:56] there a second for that motion?

[2:25:59] >> I'll second that.

[2:26:01] >> Have a second from Gary. Is there

[2:26:02] further comment, discussion or question

[2:26:05] on this um on this item?

[2:26:09] >> Is there uh are there more I read

[2:26:13] through all of the links that we had,

[2:26:15] but I still had questions about this. Is

[2:26:17] there an

[2:26:19] I'll reach out to Commissioner Kamalu as

[2:26:22] well, but I'd like to just get if you

[2:26:25] know of any better or other sources of

[2:26:27] information that I can reach out to. Um,

[2:26:29] Commissioner Croft is hosting a

[2:26:33] information thing on this on Thursday

[2:26:36] night from 6:00 to 8 somewhere.

[2:26:38] >> Okay.

[2:26:40] >> At the old courthouse in Farmington,

[2:26:42] second floor.

[2:26:43] >> So, um, yes, Commissioner Croft's I

[2:26:46] mean, I've read the same announcement

[2:26:48] you have probably, but the comproller,

[2:26:50] um, Scott, I'm trying to think of his

[2:26:52] last name. What's his name?

[2:26:54] >> Fletcher. Fletcher. Is that right? Will

[2:26:56] be a part of that, too. So may have some

[2:26:59] good information to share. I don't know

[2:27:01] that will be like I plan I plan to

[2:27:02] attend it as well. Um but yeah that's

[2:27:05] one um public forum there. Council

[2:27:08] members can reach out also to

[2:27:10] commissioners if they would like. I can

[2:27:12] share of course um Commissioner Kamalo

[2:27:15] has shared her number with us right

[2:27:17] here. That's easy. Um I'm happy to share

[2:27:20] um other numbers with council members if

[2:27:23] you'd like to reach out to ask question

[2:27:25] or sorry with commissioners if you like

[2:27:27] to reach out to ask uh questions on

[2:27:29] that. So um

[2:27:33] anything further before we take a vote

[2:27:35] here? Okay, motion is from Eileen, a

[2:27:38] second by Gary to table this for next

[2:27:41] time um pending a little bit further uh

[2:27:44] research. So all in favor of that

[2:27:46] motion, please say yes. Yes.

[2:27:48] >> Yes.

[2:27:49] >> Any opposed, please say no.

[2:27:52] >> Uh that was a four to zero vote to table

[2:27:54] that. We'll bring it back in two weeks.

[2:27:57] >> Um make a note to myself. Thank you very

[2:28:00] much. Item 7.7 approve city council

[2:28:03] meeting minutes for August 4th, 2026.

[2:28:06] >> Motion to approve the city council

[2:28:07] meeting minutes for August 4th, 2026.

[2:28:10] >> I have a motion from Blake. Do I have a

[2:28:12] second?

[2:28:13] >> Second.

[2:28:14] from David. Would anyone like to

[2:28:16] make sure that everyone's aware if you

[2:28:17] made any significant corrections that

[2:28:20] others might not be aware of?

[2:28:22] >> Just or at late stages made any

[2:28:25] corrections others might not be aware of

[2:28:26] if they were made late.

[2:28:27] >> If you if you look at the minutes when

[2:28:29] you see them and your name wasn't

[2:28:30] spelled right. Sorry, we tried.

[2:28:32] >> There were a lot of names. No idea.

[2:28:35] >> There were lots of names. That wasn't

[2:28:37] great.

[2:28:37] >> Yeah, that is very much a guessing game.

[2:28:40] So, um, thank you. do it.

[2:28:43] >> There is a an E after Joyce Savage.

[2:28:47] May want to

[2:28:49] >> extra E.

[2:28:50] >> We're missing an E.

[2:28:51] >> It's an extra spare byandom.

[2:28:54] >> Little floating extra E there.

[2:28:55] >> Floating extra E.

[2:28:56] >> Not a big deal.

[2:28:57] >> Names just

[2:28:58] >> uh Yeah, not a big deal. So, we have a a

[2:29:01] motion to adopt from Blake, a second

[2:29:02] from David. All in favor of adopting

[2:29:04] those minutes, please say yes.

[2:29:06] >> Yes.

[2:29:06] >> Any oppose, say no. Minutes are adopted.

[2:29:09] Four to zero. Thank you, councel. All

[2:29:11] right, we do have two tabled items for u

[2:29:14] pending further discussion with

[2:29:16] developers on two reszones which were

[2:29:18] discussed in our previous meeting. I do

[2:29:21] not have an update on those for tonight.

[2:29:24] That is

[2:29:25] just listed under tabled items because

[2:29:27] they're still sitting on the table and

[2:29:29] waiting for that um to return after

[2:29:34] a forementioned discussions. Um new

[2:29:36] business number nine, new business for

[2:29:37] upcoming meeting. anything council

[2:29:39] members would like to

[2:29:41] >> could I ask on those t table res have we

[2:29:44] had made any progress on in on those

[2:29:47] areas they they've been developers

[2:29:49] talked to the city about this

[2:29:51] >> so both developers are looking at

[2:29:53] different options um they're going

[2:29:55] through that right now once once they

[2:29:58] have that put together then they they

[2:29:59] will said they would get back with the

[2:30:01] city at that time and start discussions

[2:30:03] >> okay thank you

[2:30:04] >> thank you

[2:30:07] >> anything else under number nine if

[2:30:09] anyone would like to mention or

[2:30:12] >> on nine. Are we on nine now?

[2:30:14] >> Yeah, we're on nine.

[2:30:15] >> Um I have a question. um a year ago,

[2:30:20] well more than a year ago, in March and

[2:30:23] April of 2025, the planning commission

[2:30:25] was looking at um

[2:30:29] making some significant changes to the

[2:30:31] R3 zone um that Jeff had recommended and

[2:30:34] it kind of died on the vine. And um I

[2:30:38] the way I feel about it right now is is

[2:30:43] I I don't know why we would spot zone

[2:30:45] something and into an ordinance that is

[2:30:50] got potential issues. And um so

[2:30:56] I was wondering if maybe the planning

[2:30:58] commission could be asked uh what their

[2:31:02] if they want to reconsider what Jeff had

[2:31:05] brought up to them. uh a year ago last

[2:31:07] March which was you know Jeff said that

[2:31:11] he felt like 25 units per acre was too

[2:31:14] much in that R3 zone and I think it

[2:31:17] would be nice also to see larger

[2:31:20] setbacks for a 45 foot tall building.

[2:31:23] Um, I mean there there could be a spot

[2:31:24] for a 45 tall building, but if it is, it

[2:31:28] needs to be farther away from property

[2:31:29] lines. And so I, you know, wondered if

[2:31:32] maybe we could ask that the planning

[2:31:34] commission to to look back at the

[2:31:37] discussion from a year ago and and look

[2:31:41] at that R3 zone and maybe think about

[2:31:43] making a better recommendation of what

[2:31:46] would be more palatable. Um, and and

[2:31:50] again, one of my things would be, and of

[2:31:52] course, I'm only one, but I'd like to

[2:31:54] discuss the the uh trying to put

[2:31:56] something of an R3 on less than one

[2:31:59] acre. I could see this type of building

[2:32:03] going in in many, many places in our

[2:32:05] community that would be very disruptive

[2:32:08] to neighborhoods. Um, somebody just

[2:32:11] takes and buys two lots together that

[2:32:13] are halfacre lots and puts up an

[2:32:16] apartment building and it could happen

[2:32:19] in my neighborhood or yours.

[2:32:22] So, I wish we would have the planning

[2:32:25] commission talk about that.

[2:32:27] >> So, you're asking a planning commission

[2:32:29] to re-examine the R3?

[2:32:32] >> Yes.

[2:32:33] >> That they already

[2:32:35] discussing

[2:32:37] >> finish the conversation.

[2:32:38] >> Yeah.

[2:32:40] from March of last year.

[2:32:42] >> March 2025 thereabouts. Okay.

[2:32:44] >> March and April 2025.

[2:32:46] >> Is that is that something that we that

[2:32:48] the council would discuss on the on

[2:32:50] another meeting or is this just a

[2:32:52] recommendation for the

[2:32:53] >> Yeah, that's not a future council.

[2:32:56] >> So, we're asked the planning commission

[2:32:57] has to make the recommendation there.

[2:32:59] They have to originate land land use. So

[2:33:02] then it would then they would have to

[2:33:04] have an open house or a public hearing

[2:33:05] on the their changes and then it would

[2:33:09] come to the city council. So it' still

[2:33:11] be a ways out there, but

[2:33:12] >> that's process.

[2:33:13] >> It's one of those things that has been

[2:33:15] kicked down the road for a really long

[2:33:17] time and needs to stop being kicked.

[2:33:19] It would be it would be nice if we could

[2:33:21] get um just a little bit of a now that

[2:33:25] we have a new commissioner and they'll

[2:33:27] be going through he'll be going through

[2:33:28] his new training and to get ready and uh

[2:33:31] maybe just an opportunity to look at

[2:33:34] some of those. We've got

[2:33:36] >> our C2 is got some issues as well.

[2:33:38] >> It would I'm not I'm not recommending

[2:33:40] that we have a complete overhaul, but I

[2:33:43] do think that it would be helpful to

[2:33:47] have

[2:33:49] a number of those ordinances looked at

[2:33:51] make sure that we still have the

[2:33:52] appropriate maps and if not just general

[2:33:55] upkeep on some of that language that

[2:33:57] would be preferable

[2:34:00] that's it

[2:34:01] >> just so you know with the general plan

[2:34:02] some of these will be looked at at that

[2:34:04] time to match the new general plan as

[2:34:06] we're going through the process

[2:34:07] >> but the R3 I mean our zoning in of

[2:34:10] itself doesn't get changed with the

[2:34:12] general plan I mean we we have the

[2:34:14] general plan we have right now suggests

[2:34:16] different zones that We don't have

[2:34:18] because even in three years we haven't

[2:34:21] enacted the zones that the general plan

[2:34:23] calls out.

[2:34:25] >> So

[2:34:26] >> yes, but we will be updating some of

[2:34:29] these zones

[2:34:31] >> right

[2:34:32] >> to match what we're doing with maps and

[2:34:33] those kind of things as we go through

[2:34:35] this process.

[2:34:35] >> But the actual zone itself also

[2:34:38] >> needs

[2:34:39] >> looking at and if they would continue

[2:34:41] the discussion that was started over a

[2:34:43] year ago would be nice.

[2:34:45] >> Thank you. I got it.

[2:34:46] >> I thank you. Anything else council in

[2:34:48] the on number nine?

[2:34:50] >> Um, we had already asked the planning

[2:34:53] commission to also look at the MIH

[2:34:55] strategies and make a recommendation. I

[2:34:57] assume that that's still on their future

[2:34:59] agenda to do that.

[2:35:01] >> That is uh we should have some of those

[2:35:03] for the next council meeting. Perfect. I

[2:35:05] think one of the things that that I

[2:35:08] think that the planning commission is we

[2:35:10] ask them for those recommendations that

[2:35:12] are is a little tricky is the planning

[2:35:14] commission doesn't deal with the budget

[2:35:17] of the city. And so if the city if if we

[2:35:21] said one of our strategies might be that

[2:35:24] we would like to take and uh take money

[2:35:27] from uh you know percentage or something

[2:35:30] from our property taxes and uh

[2:35:33] potentially

[2:35:35] uh supplement rent down at Orchard Farms

[2:35:38] for maybe three units for for first

[2:35:40] responders or something like that. Um,

[2:35:43] that's something and I'm not sure how

[2:35:45] that works because it's not a land use

[2:35:46] thing, but does it have to come from the

[2:35:49] planning commission or is that something

[2:35:51] the council can just say, hey, this is

[2:35:54] one of the MIH strategies that we would

[2:35:56] like to discuss?

[2:35:58] >> How how do we how do we go there?

[2:36:03] >> So, the direction from the the council

[2:36:05] was to go through all of them for the

[2:36:06] planning commission. They they've been

[2:36:08] doing that. Um they do have a list that

[2:36:11] they talked about. Um the ones that had

[2:36:15] to do with finance, um they recognize

[2:36:17] that's a council decision. That's not a planning commission decision to say,

[2:36:22] "Yeah, let's take taxpayers money and

[2:36:24] say this is a good one to do." Um that

[2:36:26] is actually a council one to to put

[2:36:29] those ones in. So that is something that

[2:36:32] um they'll they'll bring the ones that

[2:36:34] they feel really comfortable with um and

[2:36:37] recommend them. you can add or you you

[2:36:40] may look at the ones they have and say

[2:36:42] I'm not sure I like this one or this one

[2:36:43] and throw those out too. Um that's part

[2:36:46] of your responsibility as a legislative

[2:36:48] body is to be able to use city funds

[2:36:51] >> um to fulfill those things. That's just

[2:36:55] a recommendation that will be coming

[2:36:57] from the planning commission after

[2:36:58] they've reviewed the ones they've gone

[2:37:00] through.

[2:37:00] >> Thank you, Darren.

[2:37:04] » Um okay, 10 calendar items. August 25th

[2:37:08] uh is our next speaking of them planning

[2:37:11] commission meeting. September 1st is the

[2:37:13] next city council meeting. We do not um

[2:37:16] have a closed session planned for

[2:37:18] tonight. So I would look for a motion to

[2:37:20] adjurnn.

[2:37:20] >> Motion to adjurnn.

[2:37:21] >> Motion from Blake. Do I have a second?

[2:37:24] >> Second.

[2:37:24] from Gary. All in favor say yes.

[2:37:27] >> Yes.

[2:37:27] No.

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