[0:46] Good evening.

[1:10] Katie is finalizing her stuff, but she should be on in just a second.

[1:14] Cole is going to join us, too.

[2:22] Stacey, can you just confirm you can hear me?

[4:51] Good evening.

[4:55] Hi, Mary.

[4:56] Hi.

[4:58] I didn't think we were even going to be on.

[5:00] So thank you guys for opening up the meeting and recording.

[5:03] I recognize it, but I like this.

[5:08] Did we hear back from Mr. Mulherrin?

[5:12] Not that I'm aware.

[5:13] I think we're, we never did.

[5:14] that I'm not sure what happened.

[5:16] Okay, I do believe I've kind of talked to him this week

[5:19] and I know his intention was to participate.

[5:22] Okay.

[5:23] We'll see.

[5:24] Yeah, I told him to maybe check the spam folder

[5:25] and I know she did because I had had some issues

[5:29] with his emails going immediately to spam

[5:32] for some reason for quite some time, so.

[5:36] Well, we'll see.

[5:38] Maybe he wasn't getting our emails.

[5:50] We need more members, Mary.

[5:53] Yeah.

[5:58] We have a quorum tonight regardless.

[6:03] Even if John's not here.

[6:04] Five, six. Yes, six. Well, that's good.

[6:09] Six we're planning to attend. So without counting, John.

[6:16] All right,

[6:21] where are my comments?

[6:26] Stay? Yes, sorry. No, definitely not. I should probably turn my video on so you can see me

[6:33] moving cats around. I'm just teasing. I suspected that's what

[6:37] you were doing, but I had your cats know how to stay on

[6:39] command. I had to open the door.

[6:43] They listen pretty well.

[7:04] There's John. John. Good deal.

[7:12] You don't have to RSVP if you

[7:14] just show up. Right, John?

[7:19] He says right. He's on mute. I

[7:22] know.

[7:26] I was on mute. I know. Right. Didn't read my

[7:34] And

[7:39] Dave, I thought you were a not going to make it but you are here glad to see this and you're on mute also.

[7:52] I can't hear Dave you're on mute but I just know I know yeah.

[8:02] We definitely have a quorum so that's delightful to see both Dave and John.

[8:10] Kelly, I don't know if we put this anywhere.

[8:14] We're reading written comments after we take public comment in case the person who's written

[8:21] in speaks.

[8:23] So we have talked about this a few times, and Mary, correct me if I'm wrong, but your

[8:27] preference was that we read the comments first in case those that were planning on

[8:30] making a comment heard their comment already and then didn't want to speak, I don't

[8:36] know.

[8:36] Well, you had we're going to ask them at that time if they have written a comment whether they want the comments read or

[8:43] Okay, whether they'd like to speak to the audience in lieu of reading the comments. We weren't going to do both

[8:49] right, so I

[8:52] Don't really I don't have a preference in how we do it. I just want to make sure we make we

[8:56] You know say that in the beginning so okay, that's in the opening statement for yeah

[9:01] And in the opening statement the way I worded it says that we're going to read the comments first

[9:06] Is that correct? So if we can if we're going to change that plan, let me know and I will modify my comments

[9:14] Mary I believe it's they either have a written comment or they can speak they're not supposed to do vote right right, okay

[9:23] You look like you're cold. I know doesn't she mm-hmm

[9:30] Okay, I look cold I'm always cold

[9:33] Perpetually cold.

[9:37] What?

[9:38] That was in a Floridian, but it was just Chicago.

[9:42] It's my own fault.

[9:44] I

[10:04] need a bigger platform here.

[10:06] I've got papers, and it's only one agenda item,

[10:11] but it's generated a lot of paper today.

[10:46] I bought a Christmas tree today.

[10:49] Aww.

[10:49] Yay.

[10:59] Congratulations.

[11:00] I'm going to get my Christmas decoration up pretty soon.

[11:02] So it's a Grinch tree. It's cute. Oh, thank you

[11:09] Trader Joe's

[11:14] It's Tracy doing show and tell is that what's going on? I got a Grinch tree today

[11:20] I now have a Grinch tree and which was a lie and then I have a fake Charlie Brown tree Trader Joe's

[11:28] The Grinch tree was at Trader Joe's. Yeah, they always get me with that thing right when you walk in the door

[11:35] I've

[11:42] got three screens going

[11:49] All sorts of documents I might need to reference.

[11:54] I just got one screen and then documents behind it. So I will.

[11:59] I have no doubt I will get confused today. So anyway.

[12:03] Just going to happen.

[12:22] So I, I think we've got all of the plan commission.

[12:26] Missioners here that are planning to attend. Is that correct?

[12:28] We are just going to miss.

[12:31] Commissioner Berry, correct? Okay.

[12:36] That's why my clock is ticking towards 7. And I'm assuming the petitioners here, but we do have a lot of attendees and I'm not sure if they are.

[12:45] Let me look.

[12:49] One of them is here. Yes.

[13:10] We're good. Yep. All right. All right. I think I'm then going to go ahead and call to order the village of Glen Allen Plan Commission meeting for Thursday, November 7.

[13:22] 12, 2020. I have some remarks that I'm going to read before we do our roll call vote for

[13:30] those who are in attendance so they understand the proceedings if they haven't been to one

[13:34] of our plan commission meetings via Zoom before or even a plan commission meeting at all.

[13:39] So good evening. My name is Mary Locke and I'm the chairperson of this commission. The

[13:44] Glen Ellen Plan Commission is advisory in nature and the actual cold relief requested

[13:48] can only be granted by the village of Glenelon Board of Trustees.

[13:53] The plan commission's function is to listen to whatever testimony is offered by the petitioners and others.

[13:59] We take significant evidence, listen to input from the petitioners and the audience,

[14:04] agree on the facts which we have found from the evidence,

[14:07] consider and deliberate amongst ourselves, and then we make a recommendation to the village board.

[14:12] forward. This meeting will be conducted by video conference through Zoom without a physically

[14:18] present quorum of the Plan Commission because of a disaster declaration related to COVID-19

[14:23] and public health concerns affecting the village of Glen Ellen. An in-person meeting at the

[14:29] Civic Center is not practical or prudent because of the disaster and therefore the

[14:34] chairperson, commissioners, village manager, village attorney and any members of the

[14:42] at the Civic Center. The commissioners and staff participating in tonight's meeting

[14:47] are in different locations in accordance with the social distancing guidelines.

[14:51] It is important that the public hearings scheduled for tonight

[14:55] be heard to continue critical village business which will enable ongoing

[15:00] Construction, development, protection of property values, and the promotion of the village's

[15:05] economic vitality. Any individual desiring to listen and or participate in the meeting by

[15:10] telephone or through the electronic meeting platform has been provided that opportunity

[15:15] through Zoom participation information included in the various public notices and the agenda

[15:23] for this meeting. Since we are using an electronic meeting platform, we expect there to be some

[15:29] technical difficulties as we move through our agenda, or maybe we should say maybe not

[15:33] expect that it might happen.

[15:34] So please bear with us.

[15:36] At this point, I would like to describe the remote proceedings of the Plan Commission

[15:39] for those of you who are not familiar with the process.

[15:42] For the item on the agenda this evening, the staff will make a presentation on the

[15:46] request first.

[15:48] Then the Plan Commission will ask the questions of the staff.

[15:52] The petitioner will then make a presentation on their proposal, and the Plan Commission

[15:57] we'll ask questions of the petitioner.

[15:59] When it is time for public comment,

[16:02] staff will read into the record any comments received

[16:05] in writing in advance of the meeting.

[16:08] Note, if you're on the call and you did submit written comments,

[16:12] would you, if you would rather speak to the commission

[16:15] during the public comment portion

[16:16] rather than have your comments read,

[16:19] please raise your hand through the Zoom platform

[16:22] to let us know of your preference.

[16:25] prior to the staff reading the comments. Public participation may provide comments either through

[16:33] written comments or speaking. This is to ensure each person is provided an equal amount of time

[16:39] to comment. Following the reading of any written comments, which of course we have some for this

[16:43] evening, members of the audience who wish to speak will be asked to raise their hand through the

[16:51] be called on, unmuted, and given three minutes to comment. After you speak, you will be muted once

[16:59] again. Please note that there may be a slight delay between becoming unmuted and being able to begin

[17:05] speaking or being heard by us. Everyone who will be presenting information or asking questions to

[17:12] this commission during the public hearing will be required to do so under oath and all comments

[17:17] will be recorded so that written minutes can be prepared for this meeting.

[17:21] Just a reminder that all speakers are asked to present their comments in a respectful

[17:26] and courteous manner.

[17:28] If inappropriate language or comments are expressed during this meeting, we will mute

[17:32] the speaker and end their participation.

[17:35] After the public comment portion of the meeting, the public hearing will be closed

[17:39] and no further comment from the public will be permitted.

[17:42] The plan commission will discuss the material that has been presented and make our recommendation to the village board. Everyone is welcome to stay and hear our deliberations.

[17:53] With us tonight for the benefit of those in the audience, we have community development director Stacy Springer, who is raising her hand who is administering this meeting on zoom.

[18:03] We have Planner Kelly Purvis, we have Planner Katie Ashbaugh, and Associate Planner Cole,

[18:10] who may be on here via phone, because I don't see his name in the panelist's discussion.

[18:16] And we have Bill Enright, our Village Board trustee, and we have Barb Dutton, our recording

[18:23] secretary.

[18:25] Would Barb please call the roll?

[18:35] Director Springer, I think that Barb might be in the attendees,

[18:41] her phone might be.

[18:43] Yeah, just got moved over, and though she has to unmute.

[18:57] So, Barb, can you unmute?

[18:58] Because we can't hear you, please.

[19:11] Well, should we deal with this technical difficulty

[19:14] that someone else want to call the roll, so we can move on?

[19:17] Yeah.

[19:18] All right. I'm trying this. Can you hear me now?

[19:21] I can hear you now.

[19:22] Okay, try to different methods to unmute.

[19:26] Saved by the label.

[19:26] All right. I will now take the roll. Chairperson Locke.

[19:33] Here.

[19:34] Plan Commissioner Berry.

[19:39] Plan Commissioner Brown.

[19:42] Here.

[19:44] Plan Commissioner Fanella.

[19:47] Here.

[19:50] Plan Commissioner Heming-Litwin.

[19:52] Here.

[19:54] Plan Commissioner Moharan.

[19:57] Here.

[19:58] Plan Commissioner Roderman.

[20:00] them. Here. Plan Commissioner Saeed. Here. Plan Commissioner Vandreska. Here.

[20:12] Chairperson

[20:13] Locke, we have a quorum. All right. Thank you so much, Barb. The next thing I need is

[20:18] a motion to allow remote participation by the Plan Commission. So moved. In a second

[20:24] please. I second. Thank you. And Barb, we had Commissioner Heming-Litwin and I believe

[20:31] Commissioner Saeed. Make a motion and second would you take a roll call vote please again?

[20:37] I will do. Plan commissioner Heming-Litwin. Yes. Plan commissioner Saeed. Yes.

[20:46] Chairperson Locke. Yes.

[20:51] Plan commissioner Brown. Yes. Plan commissioner Fanella. Yes.

[20:57] Yes.

[20:58] Plan Commissioner Moharan.

[21:00] Yes.

[21:01] Plan Commissioner Rodiman.

[21:03] Yes.

[21:04] Plan Commissioner Von Druskow.

[21:06] Yes.

[21:08] The motion passes.

[21:10] Okay, thank you very much.

[21:13] The next agenda item would be public comment

[21:16] by anybody who is in the intended portion

[21:19] that would like to speak to the plan commission

[21:21] on a topic that is not on tonight's agenda.

[21:24] Given that tonight's agenda is predominantly the development of the McChesney site.

[21:30] If anybody is here to speak to the plan commission on a subject other than that,

[21:34] now is your opportunity to raise your Zoom hand and let us know.

[21:40] Does anybody see anybody who is raising a hand on that?

[21:44] I do not.

[21:45] I do not either.

[21:47] Okay.

[21:50] The next agenda item would be approval of the draft minutes from the October 22nd,

[21:54] 2020 plan commission meeting.

[21:58] Is there any discussion on the minutes?

[22:03] All right, may have a motion to approve them.

[22:06] So moved.

[22:07] May have a second?

[22:09] Second.

[22:11] All right, may have a roll call vote please.

[22:14] Barb, Commissioner Heming-Litwin made the motion

[22:18] and Commissioner Mulherrin had the second.

[22:21] OK, here we go.

[22:23] Plan commissioner Heming-Litwin.

[22:25] Yes.

[22:27] 1.

[22:28] 2.

[22:32] 4.

[22:49] 8.

[22:51] 9.

[22:58] 12.

[22:58] 14.

[22:58] the motion passes. Okay, thank you very much. Our next agenda item is the development or the

[23:06] request, excuse me, for the development of the Glenwood station and it's a PUDD request with

[23:15] the public hearing. And what I need before we get started is a motion to open the public

[23:21] hearing, please. So moved. I need a second, please. Second. Again, Barb, Commissioner

[23:30] Heming-Litwin made the motion to open the public hearing. Commissioner Mulherran,

[23:35] seconded it. May I have a roll call vote, please? Yes. Plan Commissioner Heming-Litwin.

[23:43] Yes.

[23:45] Thank Commissioner Mulherin.

[23:49] Chairperson Locke.

[23:51] Yes.

[23:52] Thank Commissioner Brown.

[23:54] Yes.

[23:56] Thank Commissioner Fanella.

[23:58] Yes.

[24:00] Thank Commissioner Rodiman.

[24:01] Yes.

[24:03] Thank Commissioner Saeed.

[24:04] Yes.

[24:06] Thank Commissioner Vandreska.

[24:08] Yes.

[24:09] The motion to open the public hearing passes.

[24:12] All right. Thank you very much. We will start our public hearing. And as described in the early comments, the first person who or the staff will now give the overview of the presentation.

[24:24] And so we will need a swearing in of our presenter who is Katie is Katie presenting us.

[24:32] All right.

[24:33] But we are going to also have Kelly and Stacey sworn in as well, just in case we need to jump in and help answer any questions.

[24:44] Okay, that would be great.

[24:46] Right, would you please state your name, your professional capacity and your business address for the public record?

[24:54] So, I'll go first. Stacey Springer, director of community development, 535 Dwayne Street.

[25:02] Thank you. Kelly Purvis, I am a planner for the village 535 Dwayne Street.

[25:11] Katie Ashwell, planner for the village of Gwinellin, 535 Dwayne Street.

[25:17] Thank you, Katie.

[25:23] All right, Katie, I think you can go.

[25:25] Well, we need to be sworn. Oh, I'm sorry.

[25:28] Okay, sorry. All right, next question. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth,

[25:35] nothing but the truth. I do. I do. I do. Okay. All right. Now you may take it away. Thank you.

[25:46] All

[25:59] right. Can everyone see? Yes. State Historic Preservation Review. The wrong

[26:05] slide. Okay. We'll see Glenwood Station. 460 Crescent. So, Asher Person Locke

[26:13] introduced tonight we're reviewing a request for planting a development with zoning deviations,

[26:19] a special use for multifamily dwellings and exterior appearance for the property located at

[26:25] 460 Crescent Boulevard and their request is being made by holiday properties.

[26:30] So my presentation I'll try to keep it as brief but as informative as possible so I will go

[26:38] through the public outreach, the review process, background regarding the site

[26:44] location and the zoning. Then I'll review the project summary and what is being

[26:49] proposed. I will go through the exterior appearance proposed for the

[26:54] building and what in greater detail the zoning relief being requested. And then

[27:00] lastly the plan commission action this evening. So first the public outreach

[27:06] That is required in accordance with state statue and the village code is that public hearing notice be published in the newspaper 15 to 30 days prior on the public hearing notice was published on October 28, 2020 in the Daily Herald.

[27:21] And then the public hearing notice was also mailed to property owners with the 350 feet of the subject property on October 27.

[27:29] and a placard was also placed on the property on the 28th of October. In addition to the

[27:38] required public outreach and public notice, the village participated in some interviews

[27:46] with the Daily Herald to spread the word about the development and also released some information

[27:52] on its various news platforms.

[27:56] So the day before the public hearing notice was published.

[28:00] There was an article about tonight's meeting

[28:02] and the project on October 27th in the Daily Herald.

[28:06] The village's website,

[28:08] there's a dedicated webpage as well for the project.

[28:10] That page was updated on October 30th.

[28:13] And then on November 4th,

[28:15] the village's social media platforms

[28:19] made posts about tonight's meeting.

[28:21] and then the e-news publication that's released via email and economic development e-news

[28:28] from the village also included this information.

[28:32] On the fifth, the electronic message sign by the metro station at Maine and Crescent

[28:39] also started sharing a notice of the meeting tonight and this last Wednesday's e-news

[28:46] from the economic development for the village and then also just the standard village e-news

[28:52] also have information again. And then the downtown alliance also shared information about

[28:57] tonight's meeting. Oh, and on November 5th, the Chamber of Commerce also sent out an

[29:04] email blast about tonight's meeting. So there's been a lot of coordination with the

[29:08] chamber as well as the downtown alliance. So for those in the public that are not

[29:14] not as familiar with the plan commission review process.

[29:17] So on May 14th, the petitioner did present

[29:21] a pre-application meeting for a concept development.

[29:25] And I'll kind of highlight what parts of the development

[29:27] are different tonight versus what

[29:30] the plan commission reviewed back in May.

[29:33] The pre-application is required

[29:34] as part of the planning and development process.

[29:37] And it's informal, no action is taken,

[29:40] no action was taken at that time.

[29:42] It was just generic feedback

[29:43] back to guide the developer prior to submitting

[29:46] for tonight's hearing.

[29:48] Tonight, the plan commission will be making a recommendation

[29:51] to approve approved conditions or deny the requests

[29:55] that the plan commission's reviewing,

[29:57] which are the preliminary and final PUD.

[30:00] A special use permit for multifamily residential, zoning deviations associated with the PUD, and

[30:07] then lastly, the exterior appearance of the project. And, tentatively, the village board

[30:14] is scheduled to review the request and the recommendations from the planning commission

[30:18] on December 14th.

[30:24] So now to just kind of touch on the zoning and the surrounding conditions

[30:28] of the property. Property is zone C5B central service sub-district on all four sides across

[30:37] in across Glenwood is C5A the central retail sub-district primarily to the west is the central

[30:43] service sub-district. So this is just a zoom in of the zoning map. You'll see immediately to the

[30:52] south is also the U.P. West rail line.

[30:58] This is a two-foot contour map of the site. There is

[31:03] kind of a topography change of the northwest corner and also along the north lot line where

[31:11] you'll see there's a drop and you'll see later in the site plan where there's a retaining wall

[31:16] that they'll be extending.

[31:21] This is an aerial photo of the site to take

[31:25] orient everyone. This is Glen Oak Cafe. This is Barones. And then this is Boards Auto.

[31:33] This is the village on Metra lot, the Crescent Glen One Parking Lot. And then across is the

[31:39] beer cellar and some other retail.

[31:44] You can see this a little more closely here.

[31:46] So the existing conditions on the site, the site is eight-tenths of an acre

[31:53] approximately. On the site now, as has been since 2014, is a single-storey

[32:02] commercial building formerly in the Chesney Miller grocery store. It's about

[32:06] 13,500 square feet and they're served by 42 stall surface parking lot.

[32:17] So

[32:17] six years now and just to kind of look at the street view here. These are all from

[32:26] Google Street View so sign is still there.

[32:37] Now to just talk about the

[32:39] long-range planning that's been done for this area. In general the comprehensive

[32:45] plan in 2001 did recommend mixed use on this site. It's just outside the

[32:52] pedestrian shopping area that was identified in 2001. The certain factors

[32:58] should be considered as part of this as was recommended in 2001. I should note

[33:04] that the village is currently updating this comprehensive plan and that's still

[33:08] in review but as of 2001 this is the one that we're still referring to for

[33:15] the redevelopment of this site and then in 2009 the village approved a

[33:22] the downtown strategic plan specifically for this area.

[33:26] It again identified this block as a location for mixed use,

[33:31] but primarily residential as it's in the C5B district

[33:35] and it's on the periphery

[33:38] of the central downtown shopping area.

[33:42] It also recommended one to lower levels of parking,

[33:46] which as I'll share later, this building does include that.

[33:50] So,

[33:54] in general, the proposed development is five stories, six levels.

[34:00] So one of the levels is below grade.

[34:03] The village measures overall maximum height from the average existing grade to the very

[34:11] top of the building of whatever is on top of the roof.

[34:15] So the elevator overrun, rooftop mechanical units, those are all included in the overall

[34:20] maximum height rather than just the roof line.

[34:22] I'll share some slides later that illustrate this.

[34:26] This building is actually, the building being reviewed tonight is actually two feet three

[34:32] inches shorter than the one reviewed on May 14th.

[34:38] The one reviewed on May 14th was 68 feet 11 inches.

[34:43] And now the top of the elevator over on it is 66 feet eight inches.

[34:49] There's also 1,490 square feet of commercial space and one of the comments at the plan

[34:55] commission meeting in May asked for an increase in the commercial space.

[35:01] The petitioners accommodated that just over just about a quarter of an increase, quarter

[35:08] of a square foot and with an increase in 287 square feet.

[35:13] The number of dwelling units and the number of proposed parking stalls are

[35:17] the same as was reviewed in May with a 1.2 parking stall per dwelling unit

[35:22] ratio and the apartment lobby has increased a little bit to 1,350 square

[35:28] feet.

[35:31] So something to address, this site is not within either of the

[35:39] National Registered Districts in the village and the North downtown district

[35:44] district or the South downtown district. It is also a, not a local landmark. So on the

[35:51] store preservation commission and the village board have not designated this as a local

[35:56] landmark requiring any sort of historic review by the village. The State Historic Preservation

[36:02] Office has also taken a look at the site and they did issue a letter on September

[36:07] 10, 2020 that stated no historic architectural or archeological sites exist within the

[36:13] project area. However, given it is in the downtown and the community is still

[36:19] sensitive to new developments, the historic preservation community has taken a

[36:23] look at the project and did provide feedback, which the petitioner will be

[36:28] discussing later how they've incorporated some of that feedback and

[36:33] also architectural precedent from the downtown into their design.

[36:39] So to kind

[36:41] And before I go into all of the zoning review, I just wanted to show what was reviewed at

[36:47] the May 14, 2020, Pre-Application meeting.

[36:50] And I'll go through some of those renderings.

[36:52] So this is the southeast corner of the building looking northwest.

[36:57] They were originally a couple of tower elements on the east and south sides of the building.

[37:03] and the balconies were not as did not have as reinforced platforms below and the crescent

[37:15] boulevard first floor elevation was designed differently with some metal grates and plantings.

[37:25] So what they propose now they have removed the tower elements and they've actually pushed

[37:32] this the top second through fifth floors back 10 feet from the Crescent lot line

[37:39] so only the first floor is at the lot line along Crescent to reduce the bulk

[37:46] and then they've also reinforced the supports under the balconies with some

[37:51] cast-stone design. They also are proposing six light double-hung windows

[37:57] And the window and door systems are all black as opposed to the white or light gray seen back in May.

[38:07] Finally, they are using an Armstrong plaster for material for the cornices, which I'll touch on a little more as I go through the exterior appearance.

[38:18] So here's the rest of the before and afters. You

[38:28] can just see a little bit different of the first floor elevation.

[38:31] and

[38:38] this is looking southwest.

[38:42] The balconies previously were just projecting out from the

[38:46] building and now they've been recessed by one foot and better integrated into the north elevation

[38:52] and these are the nighttime renderings.

[39:05] So for the proposed elevations, I'll just start with

[39:08] some of the material details. They're using three different shades of brick. They've got a

[39:13] carbon gray, revere pewter gray, and a cranberry velour as the red. And then the cast stone is

[39:22] more of a limestone type of pew. And then the, again, the windows and door systems are black.

[39:29] The petitioners also incorporating a clock element here, which they'll speak to in their

[39:34] presentation. And the second floor apartments now have enlarged balconies

[39:41] that are consistent size with the club room balcony at the southeast corner.

[39:48] There's also pedestrian oriented lighting along the Crescent elevation and

[39:54] over at the southeast corner they're proposing gas lanterns and it's the

[39:59] pedestrian entrance to that apartment is also covered with an awning. And the garage doors

[40:06] also have been changed from a more commercial look to a more residential look with the paneled

[40:10] garage door. And they've been recessed six feet into the building.

[40:20] So, overall, the

[40:23] proposed elevations are in substantial conformance with the appearance review guidelines.

[40:29] So, four-sided building, they're using primarily brick and stone throughout the all four sides

[40:36] and the colors are neutral in tone and they have also created some pedestrian-oriented

[40:42] elements as well.

[40:46] So next, I will go through some of the zoning related to the elevations.

[40:51] This is still the south or corner side facing Crescent, the elevation, so the average

[40:58] It is measured four points on the lots, and then the average of those four points as defined

[41:09] by the required setbacks and where the setbacks kind of intersect with the billing line.

[41:15] From that point, you measure for the height.

[41:18] So in the C-5B district, and because they have parking enclosed on the lower floor,

[41:24] they have a bonus height. So that's how they're permitted to have 60 feet. The

[41:31] roofline is just under 60 feet and then the parapet wall is 62 feet 3 inches. So

[41:39] you'll see that it's the elevator run that is creating the larger height

[41:45] deviation here.

[41:49] This is the an illustration of the deviations for

[41:52] height but from the facade facing Glenwood and per the zoning code the front lot line is the shortest

[42:00] lot line abutting public right-of-way which would be the Glenwood side so that's why this is considered

[42:06] the front facade even though it's less dominant because it's shorter.

[42:14] This kind of alludes to

[42:16] what I mentioned earlier regarding some changes in the design. Previously the building was right

[42:22] on the crescent lot line all the way up and now they've pushed the building itself back

[42:28] 10 feet and expanded the outdoor space for the second floor and they also they've maintained

[42:35] this space on the north elevation for those second floor apartments as well. So there's

[42:42] a zero foot approximately zero foot setback proposed on the corner sideline along crescent.

[42:53] The other deviation related to height is the step back requirement.

[43:00] So in the C5B district, the parts of the building that are taller than 45 feet are required to

[43:07] be step back 15 feet.

[43:12] So again, this green line indicates the wall plane that's facing Glenwood, although you're

[43:20] looking at the crescent elevation here. So if you're looking north from crescent, the building

[43:28] is required to be stepped back along that yellow arrow. And so they're requesting a deviation

[43:33] to allow the building to continue all the way up.

[43:41] And then lastly, this is the north elevation,

[43:44] or second to last, this is the north elevation facing Brony's and Glen Oak Cafe. So just

[43:49] illustrating the same deviations, the average lot line, or average of the

[43:54] same grade. And finally, this is the elevation facing Lord's auto-quenant,

[44:06] so

[44:06] that this illustration does kind of show the grade change there.

[44:14] This is the

[44:15] landscape plan that's proposed, so they're proposing a combination of some

[44:21] and deciduous and coniferous shrubbery

[44:24] along the North Watt line here.

[44:27] And you're able to get back there if necessary

[44:30] through this gate.

[44:33] Then from Glenwood, this is the loading space.

[44:38] This is not required per the co,

[44:40] but because the commercial space

[44:42] is less than 5,000 square feet,

[44:44] they're providing that for the commercial space

[44:46] in addition for resident move-in.

[44:49] and this is one of this is a dog run that they're proposing for their

[44:53] residents and then immediately to the West they have their mechanical units in

[44:58] the emergency generator.

[45:01] There is a fence here that will screen the mechanical units from Glenwood if you're

[45:09] standing here and looking straight back. There is an existing retaining wall that's

[45:14] about one or two feet above grade on the east lot line. And then as you move

[45:20] west, they are proposing to extend it about 32 feet from the existing

[45:28] retaining wall and then the height of the retaining wall at this point is 11 feet and then the retaining

[45:36] wall will be extended and go to the building and they're surrounding all of the west lot line and

[45:44] the north lot line with an open five foot tall aluminum fence and then there's a four foot

[45:51] tall aluminum fence that's you're able to move it in case a vehicle to access this equipment

[45:56] needs to pull in, but it's a four-foot tall aluminum fence.

[46:01] And all the fencing is black.

[46:06] So now to take you inside the building,

[46:09] this is the lower level, the level to the low grade.

[46:13] The ramp to this level of the building

[46:17] is the eastern ramp closest to the southwest corner

[46:21] of the, southeast corner of the building.

[46:24] This area in yellow, I wanted to show

[46:26] one of the resident amenities.

[46:28] there's a pet spot for your pets down in the basement to give them a bath. Then

[46:35] you go into the parking. It's a counterclockwise circulation. There's 56

[46:40] stalls here and there is one compact stall. This is the one that requires the

[46:48] deviation from the minimum length requirement for 45 degree stalls. So

[46:53] they're requesting 16 feet 10 inches where 19 feet is required.

[47:02] So this is the

[47:03] at-grade floor plan. First to talk about the parking, the entrance is to the west

[47:10] over here. It is also counterclockwise and 48 spaces. This is the level with the

[47:20] ADA stalls over here that are required and they would go to the ramp and get

[47:25] to the elevator to enter the building. One of the configuration deviations is also in

[47:33] this area. So they're required to have 90 degree stalls are required of a 25 foot wide

[47:40] drive aisle. As you can see that stall doesn't quite have that distance straight down.

[47:47] So they're requesting a deviation for that.

[47:53] I wanted to go over the amenities on the

[47:56] ground floor. So the items in yellow, those are the amenities that are just for the residents.

[48:03] So there's a bicycle studio, a craft room, meeting room, business center, and then the

[48:09] mail and package room. The purple is the office space for the on-site management

[48:14] that will be there. And the green is the lobby, so a little more of a public space.

[48:23] and then the red is the proposed commercial space.

[48:27] So they're proposing 1,490 square feet of commercial.

[48:30] They mentioned earlier they,

[48:33] in May they were proposing 1,203 square feet, I believe.

[48:40] So before I go to the residential floors,

[48:44] the parking deviations in terms of number

[48:47] that are being requested,

[48:48] they're required to have 145 stalls for the residential

[48:53] and they're required to have six for the commercial.

[48:56] They're proposing a total of 104.

[49:00] The deviation that was listed in the public hearing notice

[49:04] and is included and suggested in the staff report

[49:09] is a deviation of 102.

[49:13] During the plan review process,

[49:15] staff has been coordinating with the engineer

[49:18] and architect to fit the ADA styles in.

[49:21] So, we felt that it would be best to leave any breathing room in the event, additional stalls are lost due to needing to accommodate the ADA requirements.

[49:36] So, the site plan, this is level one at grade.

[49:42] So, this slide was just the inside. This is showing the perimeter of the building.

[49:48] So I wanted to go through the setback requirements.

[49:53] A corner side yard setback deviation is needed on the required to have 39 feet, 6 inches.

[50:00] That is where the Lord's Auto Clinic is along Crescent.

[50:06] So in the C5B district, they're required to be at the lot line or they need to meet the setback of the adjacent building.

[50:16] This is a downtown, so it's not uncommon to have a zero-foot setback, but given the

[50:22] Lord's building, which is also not the front facade of Lord's.

[50:26] It's also one of Lord's corner sides.

[50:29] It's required to meet that setback, so they're requesting a deviation from that.

[50:35] They also need three impervious surface setback deviations from the northeast and south lot

[50:42] lines are proposing a zero foot impervious surface setback where five feet six inches is required.

[50:50] The emergency generator in between the north lot line and the north elevation

[51:01] is

[51:06] it's four feet seven inches where five feet six inches is required.

[51:11] Mechanical units which are the transformer and the switch gear for ComEd it's required to

[51:18] to be 11 feet and they're proposing three feet.

[51:21] And the petitioner has already been communicating

[51:24] with ComEd about their ability to access these here.

[51:28] So that is something they're able to do.

[51:31] We kind of flagged that early on

[51:33] and that's an okay location per ComEd.

[51:40] So again, just to highlight where these areas are

[51:43] and then the corner side yard setback

[51:45] is because Lourdes is located approximately here.

[51:48] So,

[51:51] the residential component, these are two of the typical one bed floor plans showing

[51:58] the balconies.

[51:59] So, one of the balconies kind of been projecting and then one of the inset balconies.

[52:05] So, the rents range and price from $1,440 to up to almost $2,900.

[52:14] They have junior one beds up to two beds plus dens with primarily one bed and two bed units.

[52:25] The petitioner will touch on the market study a little bit more in their presentation.

[52:33] This is the second floor.

[52:38] The second floor has the other remaining amenities for the residents.

[52:44] The fitness center is at the northeast corner.

[52:47] There's a club room at the southwest corner.

[52:49] Both of those amenities have balconies or the rooftop terrace feature.

[52:55] And then the yellow is the size of the balconies for each apartment.

[52:59] So every single unit on this floor does have its own kind of private outdoor space.

[53:07] The fitness center is about 950 square feet.

[53:10] The rooftop patio is 1330 square feet and the club room is 1113 square feet.

[53:17] There's 20 apartments on this floor.

[53:22] And then this slide is the remaining floors, so the third through fifth floors, the yellow

[53:29] or the private balconies for those apartments.

[53:33] And again, just kind of cover everything.

[53:36] We've got 86 of them apartments, and they're served by 104 parking stalls at this time.

[53:42] The relief for the parking count is no less than 102.

[53:46] two.

[53:49] So with that, they're requesting, again, a special use for the preliminary and final

[53:54] planning development with deviations, a special use permit for multi-family and exterior

[54:00] parents approval. So now the next few slides are a lot of text, but they're requesting

[54:10] 3 deviations related to or 4 deviations related to parking. So, that's to allow the number

[54:19] of parking stalls where they're required to allow, they're required 151 total for both

[54:26] the commercial and residential. They're proposing 104. The relief cited in the public notice

[54:32] was 102 to allow one of the parking stalls to be compact stall at 16 feet 10 inches

[54:39] and then to allow a 14-foot dry vial for one of the 90-degree stalls. The setback deviations,

[54:48] they're to allow zero-foot setbacks from the corner side of our setback and then the northeast

[54:55] and south impervious surface setbacks. And finally, the four deviations for the building

[55:08] Building is proposed at 66 feet 8 inches.

[55:13] It was noticed it's approximately 67 feet, which to include the parapet walls, elevator

[55:19] overrun, HVAC units, mechanical units, any other rooftop structures, allow the front

[55:26] facade to not be stepped back where it's taller than 45 feet.

[55:32] This one I did not cover, but it is a deviation.

[55:36] They are requesting a maximum lock coverage of 84 percent where a lock coverage of 65 is permitted in accordance with the commercial plan U development standards.

[55:48] And then finally, the exterior light fixtures have exposed tops and sides where they're required to be shielded.

[55:55] So the light fixtures proposed that are long crescent and on the length of the crescent facade that kind of can share some of the up lighting.

[56:05] they require a deviation and so that's where those are coming from and they

[56:13] create that kind of lighting effect that has received some positive some

[56:17] positive mixed feedback.

[56:21] So lastly should the Commission elect to approve the

[56:28] requests. There are some conditions of approval. So the six on the screen are standard that

[56:36] we include with pretty much any new development. They need to construct the project in accordance

[56:44] with the plans that the plan commission and the village board review. They need to install

[56:49] and maintain the landscaping according to the landscape plan. They need to have a construction

[56:55] management plan that village staff reviews before they get issued a permit. They need to make sure

[57:01] all of the rooftop mechanical units are screened provided that doesn't go taller than the height

[57:07] deviation. If there's any temporary construction or any easements required that those be completed

[57:15] also before the issue of permits and then also that their plans are all consistent with one

[57:21] another when they submit for permit.

[57:26] Other conditions of approval are related

[57:29] to the developer coordinating with the village as the village pursues the

[57:34] streetscape improvements in the downtown. So as you may or may not be aware, the

[57:40] village is currently kind of reviewing the streetscape improvements in the

[57:44] downtown. So this is essentially that they need to coordinate, make sure the

[57:48] materials match that they put a bike rack in that matches the street's

[57:53] furniture the Village Board selects. They need to coordinate anything with the

[58:00] pickup drop-off area that they propose at the southwest southeast corner and

[58:06] that this is more of just so the petitioners are aware but that they

[58:10] need an outdoor cafe license agreement with the Village for the outdoor

[58:14] seeding along Glenwood. These are more unique to this development, not any development or

[58:22] development in the downtown. That's specifically that they need to just make sure their parking

[58:30] stalls are compliant with the Glen Island Code and then also the Illinois Accessibility Code,

[58:35] that they incorporate any additional design elements as the some additional design detail

[58:42] into their exterior appearance.

[58:47] There was a memo attached at the end

[58:49] of the meeting packet for tonight

[58:52] that summarized that feedback

[58:53] from the Glenn Allen Historical Society

[58:55] and Historic Preservation Commission.

[58:58] So it's my understanding,

[59:00] our understanding of petitioners hoping

[59:01] to receive some feedback and insight

[59:03] on what the plan commission or the public

[59:05] may think of some of those suggestions.

[59:07] And then finally, the total developer donations.

[59:13] With that, the plan commission can approve, approve with conditions or deny all the zoning relief being requested.

[59:24] So I'm done with my part of the presentation. Did anyone have any questions?

[59:34] Does anybody from the plan commission have questions for Katie?

[59:40] Can I just ask a quick one?

[59:44] Do you know what the, do we know what the highest, because the elevation drops, do you know how far does it drop? How many feet from the highest lowest point?

[1:00:00] Let me double check. I know it's around eight feet, but let me check the existing conditions plan.

[1:00:07] Okay.

[1:00:11] Does anybody else have a question for Katie while she's looking at that?

[1:00:16] Well, I just wanted to ask, you know, for the last six years and, you know, I think that

[1:00:21] lot's been used, right, the Disney lot that's been used for public parking.

[1:00:27] It's been allowed, right?

[1:00:30] allowed and used right yeah we as a village you know we have enough space that that's not really

[1:00:41] a concern right so um this was um we we entered into an arrangement with the property owner similar

[1:00:51] to what we did for the old pharmacy, Schmid's pharmacy, where two-hound red is located right now,

[1:01:02] and so we always try to take advantage of these opportunities when buildings are vacant to add

[1:01:07] additional parking above and beyond the parking that we have available. So this isn't generally

[1:01:15] considered part of the village's downtown parking inventory and we've really enjoyed and

[1:01:20] appreciated. They're allowing the public parking to take place while they're going

[1:01:27] through this approval process. But just to give you an update, the draft

[1:01:33] comprehensive plan, which our open house is coming up next week, and it will be

[1:01:38] coming before the plan commission for a public hearing, hopefully in for its

[1:01:44] first public hearing of three in the beginning of December, will have quite a

[1:01:49] information about parking available that will give a little bit of an inventory.

[1:01:55] But so to answer your question, Commissioner Rodman, I don't, this isn't something that we're actually

[1:02:02] losing. It's something we've had the benefit of using for a period of time.

[1:02:10] Thank you. Thank you, Stacey. Sure.

[1:02:14] I think Katie's going to have an answer to the question. Is that correct?

[1:02:18] as we're seeing here? Yes. So this is the existing conditions plan. I just wanted to

[1:02:25] pull it up. It looks like from 58 to 744, 45. So it's over a 10-foot drop, about 13-foot

[1:02:35] drop from the northwest corner to the southwest corner. And that's just on the lot itself.

[1:02:44] because I know there was, we had talked a little bit, there was from the Pennsylvania to the Crescent,

[1:02:52] what's the drop there? Because it would be greater. Do you have that on this? And if you don't,

[1:02:57] then don't go look it up. But I just thought you might have that.

[1:03:00] I know that they have, I think that's on.

[1:03:05] And

[1:03:08] as you're looking, Katie, you can confirm there's also currently, I believe, a retaining wall on the property line on the west side also, correct?

[1:03:20] Yes, and it is actually on board's property.

[1:03:25] Okay. Okay. But it's essentially on the property line.

[1:03:31] Correct.

[1:03:32] Correct. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to be clear. Okay. Thank you.

[1:03:38] Any other questions for Katie?

[1:03:41] Katie, I have a quick question.

[1:03:44] Sure.

[1:03:44] Two, actually.

[1:03:45] First, with regards to the retail space,

[1:03:47] can you give me a comparable store or England that could fit into the space?

[1:03:54] Sure.

[1:03:54] So the beer seller actually is close to that.

[1:03:58] And so is Marche.

[1:04:01] Marche actually is even, it's the interior.

[1:04:06] is five the first floor is like 500 something square feet and then total is a thousand but

[1:04:13] that space is actually so it would fit there okay and then my other question the elevator overrun

[1:04:21] where in the building is that is it close to the like the edge of the middle it's in the middle

[1:04:30] of the building okay which would make it less obvious people on the street below correct

[1:04:36] Okay. Thank you. I

[1:04:42] wanted to note really quick the there's an elevation change from Pennsylvania Avenue to Crescent Boulevard, kind of from the northwest to the southeast. It's about seven 16 to 17 feet.

[1:04:55] Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any other questions for I'll say staff at this point.

[1:05:03] from the plan commission and if not even Katie thank you very much I know that

[1:05:08] was a lot of detail so thank you very much for your presentation and

[1:05:14] so you're

[1:05:16] putting this back up because we're not okay and so I take it that now it's

[1:05:28] since there's no more questions for staff we can go on to the petitioners

[1:05:32] presentation so can we introduce the petitioners with your name and address

[1:05:36] and Barbara will swear you in.

[1:05:39] So, Chairman Locke, I have added Drew Mitchell, Chris Walsh,

[1:05:44] and Mike O'Connor to the screen to add them as panelists.

[1:05:51] And I'm going to turn it over to them.

[1:05:53] I would assume Drew Mitchell is going to start and kick it off.

[1:05:57] And Drew, please note that before we go too far,

[1:06:02] the three of you need to be sworn in.

[1:06:04] and so we should probably start with that.

[1:06:06] That'd be great.

[1:06:07] And actually, we've got Javier Milan,

[1:06:10] who's a consultant with KLOA,

[1:06:13] Trafficking Parking Consultant, who is also on.

[1:06:16] So, Javier-

[1:06:16] Okay, I can promote him.

[1:06:18] Okay, thank you.

[1:06:20] That's, promotions are easy here.

[1:06:22] Yeah.

[1:06:23] She's very generous.

[1:06:26] But the implication is that he also needs to be sworn in.

[1:06:29] So, Javier, you need to unmute and show yourself.

[1:06:32] All right, Barb, can you swear everybody in, please?

[1:06:36] Sure, shall we start with Mr. Mitchell?

[1:06:39] Sure.

[1:06:40] Actually, if you can all just state your name,

[1:06:44] your place of business and your address for the record,

[1:06:47] then she can swear you all in as a group at the end.

[1:06:50] Okay.

[1:06:51] Good evening, I'm Drew Mitchell.

[1:06:53] I'm a partner with Holiday Properties

[1:06:55] located at 324 West Burlington Avenue in LaGrange, Illinois.

[1:06:59] Mike, I think Mike would be next.

[1:07:03] Mike, you're muted.

[1:07:04] Maybe Chris, you can go first.

[1:07:06] Chris Walsh with Tandem Architecture,

[1:07:09] 1040 West Huron Street in Chicago, Suite 300.

[1:07:14] Hi, I'm Javier Milan.

[1:07:16] I'm a principal with KLWA Incorporated,

[1:07:20] 9575 West Higgins Road in Rosemont.

[1:07:24] And Mike, you're still muted.

[1:07:28] There you go.

[1:07:31] Mike, we can't, we see your mouth moving but can't hear you.

[1:07:39] Do we have a phone number for him?

[1:07:41] Stacey, you're also muted.

[1:07:47] Mike, shake your head, yes, to the last four digits of your phone number, N4261.

[1:07:56] Yes, okay, I'm going to promote your phone.

[1:07:59] Make

[1:08:09] sure that's correct, Stacey.

[1:08:11] I appreciate everybody's patience.

[1:08:15] We're all still learning.

[1:08:17] He's 398 sex, Stacey.

[1:08:21] Okay. I do not see his phone in here.

[1:08:26] So

[1:08:29] sure how to fix that.

[1:08:33] Well, Mike, you're not going to talk tonight. Congratulations.

[1:08:38] Unless you can figure out how to unmute yourself.

[1:08:41] We got it. It's okay.

[1:08:44] Okay.

[1:08:44] well roll with that and maybe you can still raise your hand and nod I don't

[1:08:48] know if that works but very good well before we you start let's let Barb

[1:08:55] swear you in thank you mr. Mitchell do you would you swear to tell the truth the

[1:09:01] whole truth and nothing but the truth I do mr. Walsh you swear to tell the

[1:09:08] truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do. Mr. Milan, do you swear to

[1:09:15] truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. And are we going to

[1:09:21] attempt to swear in Mr. O'Panner?

[1:09:25] I think he's trying to call in based on

[1:09:27] what I'm seeing and his actions. So if he gets that done we can bring him in

[1:09:32] in the middle of the meeting then. Yes. All right well go ahead Mr. Mitchell

[1:09:37] to why don't we go ahead and get started.

[1:09:39] Thank you.

[1:09:40] Thank you, Chair Burris and Locke.

[1:09:42] I wanna start by thanking everybody for the opportunity

[1:09:45] to come in for the pre-application meeting in May.

[1:09:48] Not all communities do that.

[1:09:50] We found it to be tremendously helpful

[1:09:52] as an opportunity to get some early feedback.

[1:09:55] And in some cases, free feedback,

[1:09:59] not everything, all the comments

[1:10:01] that we received were necessarily positive,

[1:10:04] But, but it doesn't mean that they weren't important. So I think, you know, I would like to thank the planning staff at Glen Ellen, they've worked really, really hard.

[1:10:16] There was a 400 page package on this Katie, you did a really good job, probably making my, what I need to say this evening a little bit shorter but there have been a variety of different important modifications to this site.

[1:10:31] I think we're left with the dramatically improved product.

[1:10:35] I think we definitely have worked hard to address

[1:10:39] this concept of 360 degree architecture

[1:10:44] around the building.

[1:10:46] Another thing that's happened is,

[1:10:48] we've had an opportunity to really engage

[1:10:50] with some of the preservation folks.

[1:10:52] And when we build a project like this in a community,

[1:10:58] we're never trying to take it over.

[1:11:02] We wanted to fit within the community.

[1:11:04] We hope it's transformative from an economic standpoint

[1:11:07] and introduces additional disposable income.

[1:11:10] But we also wanted to be elegant

[1:11:13] and fit within the fabric.

[1:11:15] So to that end, we've really tried to incorporate

[1:11:18] some ideas and pay homage to the history

[1:11:21] of this important site.

[1:11:23] As Katie mentioned, the site has been vacant for six years.

[1:11:25] There's, it is not an easy sight to develop.

[1:11:28] There's topography challenges, you know,

[1:11:31] there's, it's expensive by the way.

[1:11:34] And so we've been working really hard.

[1:11:37] And while we're eager for your feedback,

[1:11:39] I hope that you're pleased with what you're seeing

[1:11:43] so far this evening.

[1:11:45] As I mentioned, our team, we've got Mike O'Connor

[1:11:48] with us, he and I work very closely together

[1:11:51] on the development side, putting these projects together.

[1:11:54] Chris Walsh is with Tandem Architecture,

[1:11:57] one of my favorite architecture groups in Chicago.

[1:12:00] They're terrific at this type of product

[1:12:02] and tasteful suburban downtown transit area and development.

[1:12:07] And then we've got Javier Milan with KLOA.

[1:12:10] And his role is really critical

[1:12:11] because having the right amount of parking

[1:12:14] in a project like this is absolutely paramount.

[1:12:17] So I think with that, I'm going to be weighing in

[1:12:22] is Chris is giving the presentation on certain important topics but at this

[1:12:27] point in time if it works the way I hope it does Chris will be able to share his

[1:12:32] screen and put up a presentation from from our team.

[1:12:39] Everyone see that? Yes.

[1:12:42] Okay.

[1:12:47] Alright, so Drew, if you're all done, I will start in.

[1:12:53] I will have to tailor my talking as well.

[1:12:58] So I don't want to go over a lot of things that Katie already went over, but you know, we'll do our best to cover what we have there are a few things we do want to make sure we point out.

[1:13:08] Because like Drew said, we have been working with staff and with different people in the

[1:13:14] village to get to this point.

[1:13:16] So this has definitely been a team effort to get here.

[1:13:20] Like Drew said, it's not always the easiest to hear certain comments, but I think we've

[1:13:25] taken them to heart.

[1:13:26] And I completely think we've got a great product here, a lot better than what we

[1:13:32] started with, and hopefully you'll feel the same way.

[1:13:35] Okay, so the building square footage is about 145,000 square feet, about 80,000 square feet of leasable.

[1:13:47] As Katie mentioned, it's 86 units, about almost 1500 square feet of retail and 104 parking spaces.

[1:13:57] Just to give you a quick kind of overall view of you can see how the building functions.

[1:14:03] Yellow is the corridor down the middle.

[1:14:07] Different colors are different unit sizes.

[1:14:10] A lot of the larger units are along the south facing street facing Crescent.

[1:14:17] And this gives you a little better idea of how we shifted the building back and

[1:14:23] really created a special space just above the sidewalk for all of the tenants at the second floor, which get a 10 foot wide veranda that's the width of their unit.

[1:14:34] There aren't many places like that.

[1:14:36] Chris, this is Stacy. I'm just wondering if you're able to pop that into some sort of presentation mode to make it larger on the screen for everybody who's looking.

[1:14:48] Is it too small.

[1:14:49] Yeah, it's a little too small. I didn't know if you could pop into full screen presentation mode with the slides. If not, if you could zoom in as appropriate.

[1:14:58] Maybe I'll do Chris go to the.

[1:15:00] You, at the top, in your, up, what, there, and you may have, just above the save disc.

[1:15:11] There, there. Yeah, I know.

[1:15:13] There's an offer to do a better.

[1:15:15] A little better.

[1:15:18] Okay, just, just keep in mind that it's really small on people's screens. So you just might need to zoom in as you're pointing.

[1:15:25] Okay, no problem.

[1:15:27] Chris, while you're zooming in, I just want to comment quickly on the way that we approach

[1:15:33] unit mixes and how we really try to define the different units in the building.

[1:15:39] So this isn't just two or three different unit types.

[1:15:44] We really study the market and when we do that, we hire, we have a market study

[1:15:50] consultant. We really like to work with Tracy Cross and associates, but they help us figure out

[1:15:57] exactly who the demographic is of who's going to be living here. And so we've actually got 12

[1:16:02] different unit types in this building, and there's various step-ups as you kind of work from a studio

[1:16:10] to a two bedroom plus den. And so one of the things that this is designed to do is make this

[1:16:15] building is attractive to as wide of a variety of potential

[1:16:18] people as possible. And so, you know, Katie mentioned, for

[1:16:23] example, starting rents at 1450 a month, which would qualify as

[1:16:27] workforce housing along with the significant proportion of the

[1:16:31] units in the building, all the way up to our largest two

[1:16:34] bedroom, two bath plus 10. And so it's really, you know,

[1:16:40] designed to conform with not just the surrounding character of buildings but

[1:16:47] promote different price points to address financial needs of seniors, young

[1:16:51] professionals, new families, etc. So that's pulled from one of the comments

[1:16:55] that we received from the League of Women Voters. But we take that very

[1:16:59] seriously of providing a wide variety of unit types in the building. And so

[1:17:05] each of the units are stacked as you work up the building. So it does, aside

[1:17:09] from the second floor which which features a terrace they're they're virtually identical as you move

[1:17:14] vertically in the building yeah so just like I was saying there is a terrace along the south side

[1:17:21] that's 10 foot deep we've placed the the club the club area is on the north corner or I'm sorry

[1:17:31] the the southeast corner and the fitness would be on the northeast corner and these came through

[1:17:38] comments that the village really wanted to enliven the street as much as possible so we've kept as

[1:17:44] much of the public spaces as we could close to the street as you'll see in the elevations.

[1:17:51] What we tried to do is really get spaces where people are going to be outside having a drink,

[1:17:57] sitting by a fire, talking, and it really enlivens the street is what we found on other projects.

[1:18:02] Yeah, the idea is to to put busier areas of the building along the more prominent corners

[1:18:09] and we as we're to activate but we're trying to activate that pedestrian level so it feels

[1:18:14] lively and it feels vibrant and then we carry that up onto the second floor in terms of

[1:18:20] the fitness in the club room area.

[1:18:22] So it's it's just part of the way that we approach these types of projects.

[1:18:30] So, another point that we, you know, was given to us by some comments was to bring the door

[1:18:38] to the corner of the building to really kind of bring people all the way down to the corner.

[1:18:44] We used to have it up a little bit farther on Glenwood.

[1:18:46] There really was no cause for people to kind of walk down the street.

[1:18:50] So we turn the, we click the corner into the lobby and I think we're going to have

[1:18:56] really nice dramatic lobby that steps up as you walk in. And then you can go back towards

[1:19:04] the elevators, the business center, meeting rooms, and bicycle rooms. And having the retail

[1:19:09] also facing Glenwood was something that we went back and forth on, and this ultimately

[1:19:13] we felt was the better place for it. What we did do, and I think Katie's tried to

[1:19:21] show this, but on Glenwood, what we actually did instead of having that step back that

[1:19:27] she talked about up at 45 feet, three step back 15 feet, we actually thought it was a

[1:19:33] better idea just to push the whole building back five feet, give the sidewalk back to

[1:19:39] the village.

[1:19:40] And so we have really a much wider sidewalk about 11 feet or so instead of just a five

[1:19:46] foot sidewalk.

[1:19:47] So it creates a nice plaza area at the southeast corner with the 45 degree angle on on the doors.

[1:19:55] So, you know, things like pedestrian sense of safety and, you know, just the general feel from the street is important.

[1:20:05] So Chris, may I talk briefly about the amenities and sure for there.

[1:20:10] So the experience that we're trying to deliver

[1:20:13] in a project like this is a hotel style lobby,

[1:20:17] almost a concierge sort of feel with the leasing office.

[1:20:20] We have automated package notification

[1:20:23] in the building, for example.

[1:20:25] We started incorporating a business center.

[1:20:28] Part of that is a lot more people are working from home.

[1:20:31] So when we first met with you in May,

[1:20:32] it was my first Zoom public hearing ever.

[1:20:35] And we all thought or were hoping we wouldn't,

[1:20:39] It would be done.

[1:20:40] But as this has become more part of our world,

[1:20:44] we've been pivoting and trying to make modifications

[1:20:48] and accommodations due to changing lifestyle.

[1:20:51] So another is just the craft room.

[1:20:53] And the concept here is that you've got a lot

[1:20:56] of empty nesters that'll be living in the building

[1:20:58] who may have a hobby or maybe their grandson wants

[1:21:01] to come and make a Pinewood Derby car.

[1:21:03] They've moved, they've downsized and moved out

[1:21:05] of a big house with all their tools.

[1:21:07] So this is a place where you can paint or work on a project and we have tools that are in the building and there's a meeting room

[1:21:14] So if you want to hold a small, you know six person gathering for a business meeting

[1:21:19] You're able to do that in the building

[1:21:21] Another thing that we've experienced in these transit-oriented developments is just a really high utilization of bicycles by our residents

[1:21:29] So we incorporate

[1:21:30] bicycle tools that are that are accessible to anybody tire inflation you

[1:21:36] can safely secure your bike in the bicycle studio and it's just it's

[1:21:41] something that we do so thank you Chris sure so just a few of the other things

[1:21:49] that we've incorporated we've we did create an alley towards the back of

[1:21:53] the building we felt this is important to really get those moving

[1:21:57] trucks off of the alley giving people somewhere where they could just park, unload, move into the

[1:22:04] unit. Also there is a small garbage area for the retail, so the garbage truck for that can

[1:22:10] actually pull in there. A dog run back here, which really becomes private as Katie was saying,

[1:22:19] this retaining wall, if you've been noted the site on the north side, climbs up to about 11

[1:22:25] feet so you know barking dogs and that are actually going to be below grade to

[1:22:31] the neighbor here and at the same time we've put the generator the

[1:22:35] transformers and everything tucked behind the dog area so again you know

[1:22:41] these normally ugly things that everyone sees at grade are going to be

[1:22:47] below grade below eyesight line the other thing I'll point out is the

[1:22:52] trash. This is usually a question, but Drew, maybe you want to talk about how you handle

[1:22:58] the trash removal? Yeah, so a lot of times what developers do is they'll kind of cheat

[1:23:04] in this area. So for example, you have a single trash shoot for trash, but they really forget

[1:23:09] about recycling or accommodating dual trash shoots for recycling and for trash. There

[1:23:15] are compactors in this space, which allows us to more efficiently work with the refuse.

[1:23:19] and then it's, believe it or not, very organized in terms of how that's removed

[1:23:24] from the building. We work with a local waste management group and they'll come

[1:23:29] in. It's typically at the beginning of the project once a week, it usually works

[1:23:33] its way up to twice a week and we try to remove that trash, you know, between

[1:23:37] 9 and 11 in the morning on like a, you know, a Monday and a Thursday, so

[1:23:42] that we're not interrupting any morning commute. But you can't forget

[1:23:48] about trash management it happens a lot and then it's too late to fix it. So we are not going to make

[1:23:55] we aren't making that mistake and I think it's properly provisioned. Chris is it you know another

[1:24:00] really important thing to talk about is parking and how we approach parking and quantify our need

[1:24:06] there. Is this a good time to talk about that or should I return to that? Give me one second

[1:24:12] let me just point out a couple things. So the street I just want to point out on Crescent,

[1:24:18] what we're doing, we've created a drop-off area. This was another comment through working with

[1:24:25] the review process. We thought that was great. It's not meant for somebody to park their car

[1:24:31] and leave it there for an hour or two. This is meant for the dry cleaner, the pizza person,

[1:24:36] someone to jump out, you know, let someone off and then keep driving. This

[1:24:42] sidewalk actually was also widened or will be. Right now what's happening, if

[1:24:48] you see this little indent at the drop-off now, this is actually happening

[1:24:54] all the way down Crescent currently. So the sidewalk right now is only about

[1:24:59] five feet from the lot line to those indents. What Holiday would do is

[1:25:04] actually give that sidewalk back to the village and plant trees along that

[1:25:10] street line. And then before I let you go, what we have is two entrances to the

[1:25:20] building. We've taken advantage of the site. There is about a six-foot slope

[1:25:24] from the front door all the way to the west side just along Crescent and we've

[1:25:29] taking advantage of that by having two separate parking levels.

[1:25:34] So you'd enter one on the west side and one on the east side.

[1:25:38] And we did have to, or one of the requests

[1:25:43] was to recess the garage doors, which we have done.

[1:25:47] I'll let Drew talk about parking.

[1:25:50] Thank you, Chris.

[1:25:51] So parking's a huge deal on a building like this,

[1:25:55] how it's managed, trends, what we're seeing in the world.

[1:25:58] here's the worst thing that can happen for a building like this. You don't, you build it and you

[1:26:04] don't have enough parking. And the reason why is because these things are actually really fragile.

[1:26:09] They're hard to work economically, particularly at the beginning of a project. And if you don't

[1:26:14] have enough parking, what happens? You can't lease your last two or three or six or eight

[1:26:20] units and it becomes, it's not viable essentially. So we paid very, very close attention to parking

[1:26:30] needs. They don't always actually match up perfectly to ordinances and a lot of times ordinances are

[1:26:36] written particularly in whistle stop suburban Chicago communities to address the whole community

[1:26:42] and not necessarily a development that is for example right next to a train station.

[1:26:46] So here's what we've learned and what we know.

[1:26:51] We typically think about it this way.

[1:26:53] Between a studio and a two-bedroom, we need about one parking spot per unit.

[1:26:59] About a third of our units have no parking, about a third of our units have one car,

[1:27:03] and about a third of our units require two cars.

[1:27:06] And so when you average that out, it's one per unit.

[1:27:10] However, that doesn't give us enough comfort between what we believe our need is and, you know, breathing room, if you will.

[1:27:19] So we're proposing 1.2 to 1 parking ratio here. One of the things that we can do is try to limit or mitigate demand for parking.

[1:27:28] And I'll give you an example. I'm an empty nester. I'm downsizing. I don't, you know, want to take care of the big home anymore.

[1:27:36] I've got two cars and I would like to live in this building.

[1:27:40] We're going to try to encourage you to have one vehicle.

[1:27:43] And the way that we do that is by offering a concept called Envoy.

[1:27:47] And I believe I shared that with you in May,

[1:27:49] but for people who haven't heard us discuss this, I'll describe it briefly,

[1:27:53] but it's an electric vehicle car sharing program.

[1:27:56] And so anybody in the building can utilize this vehicle at any point in time.

[1:28:00] You can check it out.

[1:28:01] You can reserve it for a week out.

[1:28:03] I think it's like eight bucks an hour or $30 a day.

[1:28:07] But it's designed to encourage people to ditch their car

[1:28:10] and also give them the flexibility

[1:28:12] should they want to eliminate the need for a second vehicle.

[1:28:15] Now they have a reliable backup plan

[1:28:18] if dad's using the car

[1:28:19] and mom wants to go run errands or something.

[1:28:23] So we've done this at other projects.

[1:28:25] It's been very successful at our downers growth project,

[1:28:28] which by the way is a 1.2 to one parking ratio

[1:28:31] and has been a healthy amount of parking

[1:28:34] for similarly sized project 89 units versus 86

[1:28:40] as well as similar unit mix.

[1:28:42] So while I realized that it would appear

[1:28:45] that there's significant reduction in parking need,

[1:28:50] I think it's logical just due to its location

[1:28:53] as a transitory and development

[1:28:54] and also our experience in this space

[1:28:56] and our desire to not really goof up a development

[1:28:59] by having insufficient parking.

[1:29:02] I'm going to invite Javier briefly

[1:29:04] to, if you'd like to add anything to that, Javier,

[1:29:08] I know you're going to tell us, you know,

[1:29:09] what parking utilization is within proximity

[1:29:13] of train stations that could be helpful.

[1:29:16] Let, do you like to add anything?

[1:29:18] Yes, you cover a lot of the issues,

[1:29:21] but as Drew mentioned, the parking ratio

[1:29:24] being provided at 1.2 spaces per unit.

[1:29:27] It is a TOD development, meaning a transit-oriented development, and parking demand or parking

[1:29:33] requirements of TOD developments are much lower than parking demand of developments not located

[1:29:39] within close proximity to public transportation. This has been proven in many cases, and there's

[1:29:46] a study prepared by the Federal Transit Administration and the Transportation Research Board

[1:29:50] that indicated that TOD residents are almost twice as likely to not own a car

[1:29:56] and own half the number of cars of other households.

[1:30:01] Besides getting all that data and looking at it, we decided to look into three different data providers. The first one would be the census data.

[1:30:12] What does the Glenn-Ellen census data show? The auto ownership of owned homes in Glenn-Ellen within a quarter mile of the Glenn-Ellen train station is 1.87 vehicles per owned household.

[1:30:25] rental units within a quarter mile of the train station in Glen Elling, it's 0.95 automobiles per unit.

[1:30:33] And then approximately 58% of the households within a quarter mile of the train station in Glen Elling have one or no vehicles at all.

[1:30:42] Besides the census data, we also look at ITE, which stands for the Institute of Transportation Engineers,

[1:30:48] and we looked at their parking generation manual.

[1:30:51] It's a compilation of numerous surveys of different land uses to see what would be the

[1:30:55] actual parking demand of this development. Based on all of those surveys, IT indicates

[1:31:01] that the parking demand for this development would be 74 parked vehicles on a weekday

[1:31:07] and 99 vehicles on a Saturday. Then lastly, we looked at what is the trend or what is

[1:31:13] happening in the area. We have done numerous surveys and numerous studies of apartment

[1:31:19] developments within the Chicago land area. Many saw works in the Chicago land area and the proposed

[1:31:26] number of parking spaces of 1.2 is consistent with what has been approved in all of these

[1:31:32] developments in the Chicago land area which ranges between 1.2 and 1.25 spaces per unit.

[1:31:38] For all of those reasons that I mentioned above, we believe the number of parking spaces will be

[1:31:43] adequate to accommodate the parking demand of these developments.

[1:31:46] Thank you, Javier. One other thing that we typically do too is we provide electric vehicle charging stations. We'd be crazy to not realize that there is a trend towards more electric vehicles.

[1:31:59] We typically include, there's several there up front. We'd like to locate the pedestal chargers to be able to maximize the number of spaces that they can reach.

[1:32:09] And then we often place conduit or sleeves

[1:32:13] so that we can add additional electric vehicle stations

[1:32:17] as behavior and trends change over time.

[1:32:20] So I think that's probably it.

[1:32:26] I don't know that we need to address traffic necessarily here

[1:32:29] but I guess what I would say is there's a misconception

[1:32:32] on these types of buildings

[1:32:33] that they generate a ton of traffic.

[1:32:35] They really don't.

[1:32:36] First of all, a lot of times they're walking, you know, they're walking to the Einstein bagels or

[1:32:41] wherever, and very often their cars won't even move for several days. But when you compare it to

[1:32:48] the grocery store that was there previously or traffic generation is probably minuscule,

[1:32:54] I would guess Javier can speak to that with more data, but I don't know that it's necessary

[1:32:59] unless we have any questions on it. So Chris, at this point in time, I'll hand it back to you.

[1:33:05] So I would love an opportunity to talk briefly when you get to the second floor about the fitness and what we're doing there.

[1:33:11] Okay. Yeah, there's not much to talk about on the lower level, but this is obviously lower level. We would have the pet spot down there as well.

[1:33:24] But this would be the other half of the parking spaces in the basement.

[1:33:29] but

[1:33:33] for, I'm sorry, these are not colored,

[1:33:36] but the, just quickly on the unit rundown,

[1:33:42] the 20 units on the second floor

[1:33:45] and 22 units per floor above that

[1:33:48] gets us to our 86 units.

[1:33:51] Let me zoom in here, Drew, for you.

[1:33:53] So on the east side of the building, as we mentioned,

[1:33:57] club room and fitness,

[1:34:00] and you can see the 10-foot balconies

[1:34:02] that run along the north and the south sides.

[1:34:06] So these are, again, we're trying to activate this prominent corner here by creating spaces

[1:34:12] that people will use, the fitness, for example, you can imagine people running on a treadmill.

[1:34:19] There is an access to the outdoors off of the fitness area.

[1:34:23] The club room is going to be a pretty cool space.

[1:34:25] You can have it a baby shower there or a small event that's hopefully some day again

[1:34:31] We intend to incorporate a fire feature on the balcony outside and it's it's just an extension

[1:34:39] I suppose of your living room

[1:34:41] But it will be a very very nice amenity for the residents that live here another thing that I'll point out

[1:34:47] Just while you've got this up

[1:34:49] Chris with the various units

[1:34:51] there are certain things that we insist on incorporating.

[1:34:56] And so Chris really gets it at this point,

[1:34:58] but we want access to the outdoors for every unit.

[1:35:01] And even now in COVID more than ever.

[1:35:04] So, you know, that's either a balcony or a terrace,

[1:35:08] but you've got to have a way

[1:35:10] to have access to the outdoors from your unit.

[1:35:13] Another thing is, you know, we work very hard

[1:35:16] to incorporate walking closets in each of the units.

[1:35:19] they all have in-unit washer, dryer, they're very well-appointed with hard surface counters,

[1:35:26] eyed loss cabinetry we often use, LED light fixtures, smart thermostats. We don't do this just

[1:35:35] because we like to, I think it helps us attract people to the building, but it's also kind of

[1:35:42] the right thing to do and you know we work pretty closely with ComEd's energy efficiency

[1:35:47] program to make sure that we're making smart energy decisions and occupancy

[1:35:51] sensors in the corridor, the garage lighting for example drops to four from

[1:35:56] 100 to 40 percent when it doesn't sense anybody in there for a while. So those

[1:36:00] are energy efficient appliances and probably putting you all to sleep with

[1:36:05] all of this but we really do try to dial this in and get it right and using

[1:36:12] really, you know, design or lighting fixtures and things like that. So, Chris, do you think

[1:36:17] I missed anything on the unit? The only thing I would say is, so Holiday has asked that we

[1:36:23] incorporate small office areas in each of the units as well. So, even the one bedrooms would get

[1:36:31] a private office, we just felt that was something that everybody needs now. And

[1:36:36] we don't think that's going to change. It's a place to have your Zoom calls,

[1:36:40] You know, yeah, zoom, zoom room.

[1:36:44] So

[1:36:47] I wouldn't get it.

[1:36:49] They're thoughtfully arranged units and, you know, the style of living has

[1:36:55] changed dramatically even from apartments built just 20 years ago where there was

[1:36:59] dedicated dining room space that's really moved away from that.

[1:37:03] And so, I guess that's all I have to say, Chris, at least for now on the inside of the unit, so try to pick up.

[1:37:12] All right, so, so just real quick on the colored landscape plan just give you a little better idea of the green space around the building.

[1:37:22] There is about a 17 foot drop from the southeast corner to the northwest corner. So that came up before but.

[1:37:31] So there is a significant hill that we've chosen to put the green scape around

[1:37:39] along the back and along the west side of the building.

[1:37:44] As we mentioned, there's a drop where this whole back alley really is a sunken area.

[1:37:50] So it's shielded visually from the people to the north.

[1:37:55] And then the addition of trees around the whole site.

[1:38:00] And we're going to save the light poles that are there and reinstall all the light poles. Add some benches and various other things.

[1:38:10] So let me get to the architecture. So from the last time we've gotten a lot of feedback on paying attention to what do you feel when you're walking up and down the street.

[1:38:23] And we've redesigned the entire south portion.

[1:38:30] We feel pushing the building back that 10 feet really opened up the space.

[1:38:35] We've got a few 3D images from a consultant that we'll get to as well.

[1:38:40] And you can feel it a little better.

[1:38:42] But along with having this as public space, really,

[1:38:47] or private balconies for everybody along the south end

[1:38:51] and the public space at the corner. We've redetailed and we heard a lot of comments

[1:38:58] about adding detail, so I can, we'll show you a few other pictures here of ideas we

[1:39:03] have along the street.

[1:39:06] Pushing garage doors back, changing materials, adding sconces.

[1:39:12] So we really tried to pay attention to how does this feel as you walk up and down

[1:39:16] the street. Again, we widen the sidewalk along this side as well. So each side will

[1:39:23] have about an 11 foot wide sidewalk, which is significantly more than what is there and

[1:39:29] even what the village owns. They'll have a little bit more sidewalk either way. We've

[1:39:35] added what we call jewelry to the building. Clock, flags. We've changed up the awnings.

[1:39:45] We'll go through a few other areas.

[1:39:47] I have to tell my quick clock story.

[1:39:50] I understand there's some history of challenged clocks

[1:39:53] in Glen Ellen, and I don't call them jewelry.

[1:39:58] Chris, I call them accoutrements,

[1:40:00] but we put on our building in Downers Grove,

[1:40:02] a clock called Big Sam.

[1:40:04] We found it on a building that was torn down

[1:40:07] near the monument to the Great Fire of London.

[1:40:10] We shipped it here, put it up on the building,

[1:40:12] and there's a plaque on it and it's really just a fun story and it's an

[1:40:18] example of us not just cutting corners but really going the extra mile. Here's

[1:40:23] my embarrassing story. So we go and meet with Karen Hall at the Glen Ellen

[1:40:27] Historical Society. We find this beautiful corner bracket hung clock and we

[1:40:33] worked with Larry Olive who deals with the Marshall Fields clock etc. and

[1:40:38] and asked him if he could replicate it.

[1:40:40] And we thought that this clock no longer exists,

[1:40:43] but it's still on the corner of Main Street and Crescent.

[1:40:47] So we waste a little time trying to,

[1:40:49] we now can't copy their clock,

[1:40:52] but we're, there's a picture later

[1:40:54] of what we're trying to do on that particular feature.

[1:40:59] And then Chris, there's, there are some other elements,

[1:41:03] you know, that we can probably get to.

[1:41:05] I know Katie mentioned the gas lanterns,

[1:41:07] but it really is a nice touch.

[1:41:09] And we're doing that at the front entrance.

[1:41:12] Some of the feedback that we got from the historical society

[1:41:19] as well as the historical preservation committee

[1:41:21] was just incorporating this vertical filigree ironwork.

[1:41:25] And so we're trying to do that.

[1:41:27] We thought it was a really great idea.

[1:41:29] And then another concept came out of it,

[1:41:31] which was a mural.

[1:41:32] And so we've done that previously.

[1:41:35] I think there's a picture later

[1:41:36] and Chris's presentation. But these are some of the things that we're trying to do to pay homage

[1:41:41] to the history of the site and the history of this community and make sure that it tastefully fits

[1:41:46] in with within the fabric of Glen Ellen. Right. So just different views of, you know,

[1:41:58] how it will look from different angles. I know Katie went through a few of these as well.

[1:42:02] we wanted to look at the building at night because we feel it's you know it's

[1:42:06] not just there during the day we want to understand at night played with

[1:42:10] different lighting patterns and you know where how it would look what kind of

[1:42:17] sconces go with this type of building what go with the community we've

[1:42:21] studied different areas of the community and ultimately we feel like

[1:42:28] we've got the lighting right and and the building as well

[1:42:36] so I'm gonna go to these

[1:42:40] so what we did along the street as Drew was saying we added a lot of iron work

[1:42:45] along the whole building but especially along Crescent just above the one

[1:42:52] story space so as you're walking down the street it's gonna feel like

[1:42:58] different facades as you're walking by. These these different portions bump out.

[1:43:04] There's varying heights so you'll not just feel like you're walking along one

[1:43:09] story wall. You know there's different arches and things like that and we do

[1:43:18] have some ideas for what we can do here to enliven it a little bit more. We

[1:43:22] think we're gonna have to engage the historical society and do some

[1:43:27] research ourselves to get this next step, but it's something I don't know that

[1:43:32] we've proposed to Katie yet, but we'll have to talk about that. But we've talked

[1:43:39] about the different materials on the site. We've submitted a sample board if

[1:43:46] anyone wants to see the actual colors, but we're trying to really do a

[1:43:51] variation. We've chosen three very different bricks, real stone, black windows, black accents.

[1:44:00] We played with different colors on this building. We feel we've got the colors right.

[1:44:10] So I'll

[1:44:12] let Drew talk a little bit about some of the, this is just some imagery of what they've

[1:44:17] done at other buildings. Just to show you, you know, this is not just someone walking

[1:44:21] in off the street. This is a company that does this a lot. So Drew, I don't know if you want to

[1:44:27] start. Yeah, actually there's a big Sam clock in the upper left corner, Chris, of your screen.

[1:44:36] This is actually, all these pictures are pulled from Burlington Station. We elected to do that

[1:44:42] because it's, you know, in many ways comparable in terms of the size of the site as well as

[1:44:49] the unit quantity. So, you know, we've got a variety of different amenity spaces. There's

[1:44:55] a fitness area, the outdoor TV.

[1:45:00] Local TV wall here, a grilling station, you know, all of these buildings that we embrace

[1:45:07] pets in our communities. Katie mentioned the pets by you can give your dog a bath or a blow

[1:45:13] in a hair drive or a cut. Chris, why don't you zoom in on the aura award for a minute.

[1:45:20] I'm going to brag briefly. This project in Downers Grove that was an inspiration for

[1:45:27] what we're proposing here in Glen Allen was rigged to the top five apartment

[1:45:32] buildings in the state of Illinois. This is based on unsolicited online user

[1:45:37] reviews. We really value our residents greatly. And we want this to feel like

[1:45:44] their home. This isn't just something that we say we believe it. We live it.

[1:45:50] We participate in local food drives. We just ran a blood drive at the

[1:45:55] Downers Grove building and you know that people end up staying in our buildings

[1:46:02] much longer than the average because they love to live there and it's part of

[1:46:08] what makes us successful so thanks Chris I this should be similar you know that

[1:46:13] inside of the unit to what it might feel like but that's all I got okay all

[1:46:21] So we wanted to talk about how we got to where we are and some of the things

[1:46:28] maybe we should have these slides a little sooner but we were mimicking can

[1:46:32] you zoom in on that yeah we went down a path to recreate that and it still

[1:46:39] exists I'm so embarrassed so so we just want to show you know we've been

[1:46:46] looking at you know different buildings as you know from the day we walked in

[1:46:50] the door we're encouraged to, you know, really look at the downtown. And these are just some

[1:46:56] of the buildings and some of the areas. As Drew mentioned, at 460 Main, this historic

[1:47:03] clock feature, the black awnings, the brick colors, the gas lanterns, the corner treatment.

[1:47:14] This one, actually this was kind of our first corner treatment where we actually had

[1:47:18] a column on the corner, and we've changed it to, which is actually at Duane and Maine

[1:47:24] and Clipped Corner, the Blackberry Market, the detailing in the walls with the stone

[1:47:32] and the brick, the downlights above, there's these Gooseneck, which are another feature

[1:47:40] that you see throughout the downtown that we've incorporated as well. Columns, you

[1:47:46] you know, framing in the storefronts, the banding going across the building,

[1:47:53] Pennsylvania Avenue, these buildings over here, the masonry, the banding, the detailing, again,

[1:48:01] gas lanterns, the window grids. This was, I think, one of the first spots we saw, the black windows

[1:48:07] with the window grids. Again, Duane and Maine, you know, the clipped corner, black awnings,

[1:48:13] the columns, the goose neck lights. You're starting to see, you know, we did use the elements.

[1:48:20] We may have, you know, arranged them a little bit differently, but I think we've been sympathetic

[1:48:25] to the local architecture in our design. And I don't think we're, and then the other relevant

[1:48:34] ones are the Glen Aster condos and the new Civic Center parking with the stone and the

[1:48:43] Very good. Let's keep going.

[1:48:46] Yeah. So what we were, you know, after talking with the historical society, they had shared some images with us.

[1:48:55] Some cornice samples that they had given us, decorative, you know, again, gas feature, gas lights, enhanced columns.

[1:49:05] These are a few things we're actually pursuing.

[1:49:12] Maybe taking a closer look at putting some carvings into the columns at the front door.

[1:49:19] We're trying to see if we can maybe get a gas lanterns that are a little bit more historic

[1:49:25] than what we have.

[1:49:28] And as you, you know, you had seen the archers down the street on Crescent, what we're looking

[1:49:33] at doing there is maybe working with them or local artisans to create maybe some iron

[1:49:41] work.

[1:49:42] We've added the goosenecks above the arches and the different niches along Crescent and

[1:49:48] we think it's going to be a great spot to maybe put some local art.

[1:49:52] Maybe it's an old window from a church.

[1:49:54] Maybe it's an old gate off an old house that has a lot of interest.

[1:49:59] maybe this is rotating art that can be changed around, but it would give a lot

[1:50:05] of interest to people walking up and down the street instead of just a brick

[1:50:09] wall. So this is another clock that Druid mentioned. We're looking at maybe

[1:50:16] designing our own clock, having some sort of a feature that's unique to the

[1:50:21] building.

[1:50:24] Murals is something else that we've looked at. There are

[1:50:27] examples of murals in the town. We thought that was another interesting thing

[1:50:33] that the Historical Society had brought up. We entertained looking at areas that,

[1:50:40] you know, that would work on the site. More than happy to do that. And I'll show

[1:50:47] you a quick example of something that Holliday has actually done in their own

[1:50:53] buildings.

[1:50:57] Vivian Meyer, she's a nanny slash photographer who sort of became

[1:51:02] famous posthumously, went around taking these spontaneous pictures with the

[1:51:07] rolloflex camera. All the pictures are square. She's called the originator of

[1:51:12] the selfie. So we were able to acquire a number of original prints that

[1:51:17] pictures that she took. We adorned the building with it and painted a mural

[1:51:22] telling this story and it would just be another example of the type of

[1:51:29] attention that we put under the inside of the building. Some of the ideas that we

[1:51:33] have right now for our lobby if you go to the upper left corner Chris of this

[1:51:38] is just you know trying to take advantage of existing terrific

[1:51:44] photography of the downtown and pulling that into the lobby and

[1:51:48] celebrating the McChesney and Miller grocery who we've been in touch with their

[1:51:54] family by the way and you know again I hate to keep repeating the phrase

[1:52:00] pain homage but it's important and we realize the deep history of this town

[1:52:06] and this site and we really are trying to identify ways to celebrate that so

[1:52:12] So this is one of the examples.

[1:52:15] Yeah.

[1:52:19] And then just other imagery that has been shared with us,

[1:52:23] there was a lot of floral imagery that

[1:52:27] has come up, the harm and wild flowers and other things,

[1:52:33] birds, that again, these are all images and ideas

[1:52:36] that we've got after meeting with the Historical Society.

[1:52:39] We're not 100% sure where exactly things could go,

[1:52:43] but it definitely generated a lot of ideas that we think are great and we think is really enhanced the building

[1:52:54] Go ahead Chris. I think just out of respect for everybody. We're probably going a little it's probably my fault, but

[1:53:03] Try going in a little too much detail here. Yeah, so I will finish with these are some

[1:53:09] Images that we have gotten we just received and this is actually a we submitted our model

[1:53:16] of the building to your consultant who is modeling your downtown. So, you know, we haven't had too

[1:53:24] much time to really tweak these or sort through them or check their accuracy, but they seem pretty

[1:53:31] good as far as, you know, they have actually modeled all the buildings or they're in the

[1:53:36] process of that. So what this does is gives you an understanding of how the building will fit

[1:53:44] into the town. To the south of the building, I know we're going for the

[1:53:53] zero-lot line but there is nothing across the street and it's our

[1:53:56] understanding there probably will never be anything across the street to be

[1:54:00] crowded or whatnot. I don't think that the building being up against the lot

[1:54:05] line is a negative since the downtown is a block away and everything there is

[1:54:10] on the zero lot line. But you get the feeling for, you know, what this would feel like on

[1:54:17] the street.

[1:54:22] This is looking from the west. I'm sorry, from the east. And this is up looking

[1:54:29] north on Pennsylvania Avenue.

[1:54:33] And this is looking south from the rooftops of Pennsylvania

[1:54:37] Avenue. And sorry, I know you're forgot your little bit small there. And then this

[1:54:44] This is actually in the northwest looking southeast off of Pennsylvania Avenue.

[1:54:55] There is one last height thing I do need to point out.

[1:55:00] So we're going for a height variance and I think, you know, we've talked about the

[1:55:07] 60-foot height and this just I think makes it a little more clear.

[1:55:12] This dashed line is your 60 feet.

[1:55:14] as you can see that's actually above our roof in pretty much any other town

[1:55:20] around the Chicagoland area and I would I would beg to say the U.S. they don't take

[1:55:27] they take it to the roof line is the maximum building height Glen Ellen is

[1:55:31] is an odd town where they actually take it to the top of whatever is on the

[1:55:36] roof so anywhere else that I know of around Chicagoland this building is

[1:55:43] below the maximum building height. Parapets do not count, elevators, shafts, mechanical

[1:55:50] units do not count. So just wanted to point that out that actually, you know, the elements

[1:55:57] that we've been encouraged to push up are actually the things that are pushing us over

[1:56:01] the building height here. And the other slide I would show is our relationship. We are

[1:56:09] at a valley, we're at a very low point in the village. You can see this is a

[1:56:14] north-south cut through the site. These are actually the townhomes north of

[1:56:20] Pennsylvania, and we are about the same height as they are. They're one story

[1:56:26] shorter, but since we are so low, we are really just about the same height as

[1:56:31] they are. So again, just to go, I know height has come up in a few

[1:56:36] comments from, you know, people emailing in and other people have made comments, but I

[1:56:44] just wanted to point that out that we are, you know, we don't feel height is an issue

[1:56:51] for those reasons.

[1:56:55] And I will stop there.

[1:57:00] All right.

[1:57:00] Thank you, Chris.

[1:57:02] Thank you.

[1:57:05] Drew, is that the last of the presentation?

[1:57:09] I bet you guys hope so. I think it is.

[1:57:14] We'd love to have comments, questions from the plan commission, from the community.

[1:57:21] I believe we're done. Thank you.

[1:57:23] Okay. Well, thank you all three of you very much. I really appreciate it.

[1:57:27] I, and this is the opportunity for the plan commission to ask questions of you three. So let's start with the, is there any questions from the plan commissioner from our petitioners.

[1:57:40] I have some.

[1:57:41] Okay, John, let's start with you.

[1:57:43] Can we stop with the screen sharing so I can see our fellow plant commissioners?

[1:57:49] Unless there's something you wanted to see and you're asking about, John.

[1:57:53] So let's see.

[1:57:55] Well, I just, a couple of things.

[1:57:58] One, could you address safety in terms of evacuating the building?

[1:58:07] and also the other thing that crossed my mind, I know we're replacing an impervious service

[1:58:13] from an impervious surface, but are there particular stormwater control elements that

[1:58:23] are incorporated into the building?

[1:58:25] So I have that and then I'm interested in the in the in the single in the the single of the metering of separate metering of apartments in terms of utilities.

[1:58:40] Okay, Chris why don't you tackle ingress egress fire in situations for water.

[1:58:46] Okay.

[1:58:48] Sorry.

[1:58:50] I will just jump back to the screen here.

[1:58:52] So, egress, obviously, we would be following all of the, you know, IBC codes and local fire ordinance codes.

[1:59:04] There are, that's probably the best one, two stairwells, you know, the travel distances have been checked.

[1:59:13] We're within the guidelines of travel distances, so there would be a stair at the back of the building as well as the front of the building.

[1:59:20] both would exit directly out to protected pathways to get out.

[1:59:27] So it's a typical anything you'd see in an apartment building

[1:59:32] or a hotel or whatever, same type of evacuation.

[1:59:37] Fully sprinkled building.

[1:59:39] Fully sprinkled building, yes.

[1:59:43] stormwater, that, you know, we do have green space.

[1:59:49] Chris, I can answer that.

[1:59:52] Okay.

[1:59:52] If you're a civil engineer, any McKenna is also available to answer questions.

[1:59:57] Um, but they

[2:00:00] I guess Commissioner Mulheron, they are under the threshold to provide additional stormwater

[2:00:08] facilities on the site with less than 300 square feet of net new impervious surface. And then

[2:00:15] they do have some drainage, stormwater drainage facilities along the north side of the building

[2:00:22] and then it connects into the sewer and the rights of way if we need to swear in

[2:00:29] senior civil engineer McKenna to speak in greater detail unless that answers your

[2:00:33] question.

[2:00:37] Is that okay? Yeah I think it's fine that's fine. Okay. I'll address

[2:00:42] metering so all the buildings will be independently metered for

[2:00:47] electricity. NICOR will not independently meter buildings for gas

[2:00:53] any longer. The way that we address that is through a sub-metering system by Yardee or

[2:00:59] real page or two of the vendors that we typically work with. So I guess that I could talk more

[2:01:07] about it but I guess that probably answers your question.

[2:01:12] Drew.

[2:01:13] Water trash.

[2:01:16] Drew, can you hear me now?

[2:01:18] Mike, we can hear you but we're going to have to swear you in before you speak.

[2:01:22] Hi, Mike O'Connor. I'm with Holiday Properties Vice President Leasing and Development, 6370

[2:01:31] AmeriPlex Drive, Portage, Indiana. Okay, Barbara would you slow them in please? All right. Do

[2:01:39] you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. Thank you.

[2:01:45] Thank you.

[2:01:46] Welcome, Mike.

[2:01:48] Thanks.

[2:01:49] Sorry for the confusion.

[2:01:50] I just wanted to add on the exiting that we,

[2:01:53] we have an emergency generator.

[2:01:54] It would be connected to the elevators for,

[2:01:57] for residents either.

[2:02:02] Limited in mobility or otherwise.

[2:02:05] To exit the building and emergency as well.

[2:02:08] Emergency generator kicks in.

[2:02:11] Using the elevator.

[2:02:12] And there's areas of rescue in the building as well.

[2:02:17] Okay, thank you.

[2:02:20] And John, that answers your question, correct?

[2:02:22] Yep.

[2:02:23] Okay.

[2:02:25] Others have questions for the petitioner.

[2:02:29] Okay, go ahead, Tracy.

[2:02:32] Can you give us a little bit of idea of what you would think about what type of retail space, you know, what, what type of.

[2:02:43] Yeah.

[2:02:43] What could be in that retail space?

[2:02:46] I meant to speak to that earlier.

[2:02:48] Thank you for that question.

[2:02:50] So we haven't started marketing this space yet,

[2:02:53] but what we envision here would be

[2:02:56] some sort of a service retail,

[2:02:58] a boutique retailer, for example.

[2:03:01] What we're chasing right now

[2:03:04] is we have this exclusive opportunity

[2:03:06] as sort of a high-end deli

[2:03:08] with fresh cut meats and sandwiches.

[2:03:10] There's one in a community, not far,

[2:03:12] that we're working with the owner to try to get him in.

[2:03:18] That's actually, we asked McChesney Miller family

[2:03:21] if we could use their name for the deli.

[2:03:24] They have to, apparently it's a democratic process

[2:03:27] in the family if they were to authorize that.

[2:03:29] But those are some of the ideas, a hair salon,

[2:03:33] potentially a nail salon.

[2:03:35] I would say a boutique, a wine shop,

[2:03:38] like you've got in, say, downtown Hinsdale,

[2:03:40] but we kind of have that across the street, but it would be of that vein.

[2:03:47] Thank you. That's a nice idea.

[2:03:52] Other, go ahead, David.

[2:03:55] Thank you. I had just a few questions. The last building section that you showed sort of indicated

[2:04:04] that mechanical equipment equipment was actually the highest part of the project.

[2:04:09] can you bring that yeah it was the black and white section that you showed at the

[2:04:14] end there yeah it or maybe Chris you brought it yeah I'm building heights so

[2:04:21] you are right it is the the it's the mechanical unit that is actually the

[2:04:29] highest the elevator shaft is you know our typical shaft is only about four

[2:04:35] and a half feet so you are correct. So is that like a cooling tower? No it would

[2:04:41] be those are typically the fresh air units for the hallways that bring in

[2:04:46] okay make up there yeah the make up there. All right so if those are the

[2:04:50] tallest elements and we can't build a screen higher than those tallest

[2:04:55] elements are you gonna build a screen to surround those elements?

[2:05:00] Yeah that's

[2:05:01] That's something that we've talked to staff about.

[2:05:05] What the plan was really was to understand

[2:05:09] the 3D views from the consultants

[2:05:13] to see if they were visible from the street.

[2:05:15] And if they determined they were visible,

[2:05:17] then we would just provide screens

[2:05:20] around those separate screens.

[2:05:23] Yeah.

[2:05:23] I mean, I guess I'm also, you know,

[2:05:26] I understand streets, but I also know you,

[2:05:28] The neighbors, you know, the neighbors to the north are going to be seeing those units. They have pretty much a blocked view and I would think a little sensitivity now a mechanical unit versus a screen.

[2:05:44] You know, the mechanical units smaller than a surrounding screen that you'd have to build around it. So I understand, as long as noise doesn't become an issue.

[2:05:56] Yeah, the parapets we felt were pretty tall, but we said we would, you know, hold and let

[2:06:07] the 3D model speak for itself. And if they have to be screened separately, then that's

[2:06:12] something that would have to be done.

[2:06:15] Okay. Just two other questions, they'll be short.

[2:06:18] Sure.

[2:06:19] On the street along Crescent, you know, the safety and pulling the garage doors in, I

[2:06:25] do think help a little bit in that.

[2:06:27] Can you describe when a car comes in and out, are there safety lights, something to warn

[2:06:36] the pedestrians?

[2:06:38] Yeah, we're going to have to do safety lights that would be flashing, I believe, a beep

[2:06:44] as well.

[2:06:45] I'm not not a hundred percent sure on that what the rules are right now, but

[2:06:50] And then it is set back the system that we've proposed is a

[2:06:57] Window sticker on the cars. So when they pull up the garage door immediately starts to open and

[2:07:04] The garage doors are pretty slow, you know, so you do even if you're a passerby you kind of see, you know

[2:07:10] they're not that you know like

[2:07:12] Quick roll-up doors like you'd see in a factory or something. Okay. Okay. And then as far as the parking goes the

[2:07:21] 1.2 spaces, are they assigned? Are they leased? Or are they first come first serve park anywhere? Yeah, true.

[2:07:31] So all of our parking is assigned and it can rotate a little bit, but you know where your spot is.

[2:07:39] It's one of the ways that, you know, you just kind of get really used to pulling into your spot every day.

[2:07:47] But they're all assigned parking. Another thing that we try to do to discourage, you know,

[2:07:52] the second parking space is we charge a little bit more for that and try to utilize economics to encourage walkability.

[2:07:59] But yeah, I think with garages like this assigned spaces, I mean, like you said, there's some are some of these spaces are tough people get used to backing into them or whatever.

[2:08:11] Yeah.

[2:08:12] But then the other issue, you know, guest parking is that something that you've accounted for is that something the village is going to account address or permit street or lot parking for guests.

[2:08:26] So, I am not able to answer for the village, I will defer to them.

[2:08:33] We so closely manage these buildings that if we have an extra one or two or three spots and somebody has a grandparent or a grandchild visiting, and we have an extra spot, we'll let them park there.

[2:08:45] One thing that typically happens, it's really interesting in these TOD projects is that you've

[2:08:51] got municipal parking in plentiful municipal parking that's typically underutilized during

[2:08:59] the times where you would typically have a visitor.

[2:09:02] And so if there's a collaborative approach to the issue, what often happens, so for

[2:09:06] example, downward growth, our leasing manager can contact the village and get an overnight

[2:09:11] I pass for a municipal lot D for one or two or three nights.

[2:09:15] You've got to be out of there by, you know,

[2:09:17] seven in the morning or something,

[2:09:19] but they're able to park overnight in a municipal lot.

[2:09:22] And it just maximizes the utilization of those spaces.

[2:09:28] Does that answer the question?

[2:09:30] I think so, I, you know, as long as the village

[2:09:33] has an approach to doing that with these buildings,

[2:09:37] I think that's, we just, we can't park on the street.

[2:09:40] we know that. Yeah, right after 2 a.m. it's pretty typical. I'll jump back to

[2:09:47] Downers Grove. Similarity there is just that they, you know, not too long ago

[2:09:52] opened up a new parking structure and so there's an ability to park there

[2:09:55] overnight. It's a couple block walk but this is an urban environment and so I

[2:10:01] don't think that that's that unusual to walk a couple blocks but I don't

[2:10:07] know if the rules have been set for how the parking garage will work. It's really actually

[2:10:12] not that common of an occurrence, but people tend to figure it out. But it is something

[2:10:20] that I'd be curious if the village has a reaction to that.

[2:10:24] Yeah, it just, it becomes an issue when you push the parking numbers down. That's

[2:10:30] my only concern.

[2:10:32] So I appreciate your comments.

[2:10:36] Stacy, do you want to jump in on that one?

[2:10:39] I saw, go ahead.

[2:10:41] I really don't have anything to ask Kelly.

[2:10:43] Is there something that was popping into your head?

[2:10:46] Katie raised your hand. Go ahead, Katie.

[2:10:48] I just wanted to note that it is a suggested condition of approval regarding the rooftop units.

[2:10:56] that all visible rooftop unit, mechanical units,

[2:11:00] see the height, not to exceed that

[2:11:03] of the overall maximum height deviation granted.

[2:11:07] I don't know if that resolves the concern

[2:11:11] for Commissioner Rodiman or not.

[2:11:13] Katie, by the way, I hate to interrupt

[2:11:16] Commissioner Rodiman, but we're happy to agree to that.

[2:11:19] You know, thoughtful screening of rooftop mechanical units.

[2:11:23] I don't really think it's gonna affect folks

[2:11:26] in the way that we're talking about it could be wrong but we'd be happy to

[2:11:30] screen it no problem. Well it and it wasn't necessarily the issue of you know

[2:11:34] I sometimes think that to see the piece of equipment just fine because it's

[2:11:39] smaller in footprint than trying to wrap it with a piece of screening I do

[2:11:45] think if it's going to be a noisy piece of equipment and if you can you

[2:11:50] even a low screen sometimes helps mitigate that and a low screen can also help kind of blend it out

[2:11:59] and that's what the parapets kind of do too. So I think it's just something to be aware of. I know we

[2:12:05] can't build a screen higher than your highest whatever we're going to permit before it was

[2:12:10] described it was going to be the elevator overrun. It's now clear that it'll be the makeup

[2:12:15] Yeah, it's the make up area unit that they do have these really cool clip on screens and it does set off of the unit a couple of inches, but it does help to push noise up. They're really not that noisy.

[2:12:30] But I think, you know, we're going actually a little worried about is the top of that screening going two or three inches.

[2:12:39] is over the top of the MAU and then we get to CFO

[2:12:42] and we can't pull it

[2:12:43] because there are screens like two inches high

[2:12:46] but that's just me being paranoid.

[2:12:50] All right, thank you.

[2:12:52] Is this that?

[2:12:53] Oh, go ahead.

[2:12:53] I just want to add one more thing

[2:12:55] that the village does allow people to park overnight

[2:12:57] in the municipal parking lots.

[2:12:59] So the Crescent Glenwood station

[2:13:01] would be available for visitors.

[2:13:03] It's kind of the same setup as Donner's Grove

[2:13:05] where people would have to split

[2:13:06] before the commuters came into the parking lot

[2:13:07] in the morning.

[2:13:08] but that would be available for use of folks whenever they're staying overnight.

[2:13:13] I commend you for having that flexibility. Not all villages do that, and it's smart,

[2:13:17] and it allows you to utilize and underutilize the outset. So that's really good news. I appreciate

[2:13:23] that Commissioner Rodham and bringing that up. And Kelly, thank you for grabbing that

[2:13:27] information for us to answer that question. I appreciate it. Additional commissioners have,

[2:13:33] Yes, go ahead, Laura. You need to... Yeah. Thank you. Is there a retail... Is there a

[2:13:43] parking space for the retail spot and door? The second question is, will the

[2:13:51] garbage no longer be needed to be outside to be collected? Will they be

[2:13:55] able to come into the building to collect it?

[2:14:00] So two questions there. We

[2:14:02] We currently do not have a provision for any retail customer parking.

[2:14:07] We believe we can allocate one of our internal parking spaces to an employee there.

[2:14:14] And then regarding the trash question, I think I understood that, to me, is there a way

[2:14:20] to pull the commercial trash inside of the building?

[2:14:23] Did I understand that correctly?

[2:14:26] Oh, just back in May, I thought the trash was going to be collected on the sidewalk

[2:14:31] on Crescent? Is that still the case? Yes that that's still the case so the the

[2:14:39] easiest way for us to get the trash in and out of the building is there's a

[2:14:42] slight topography change from where the trash is to the Crescent Street and

[2:14:47] you can't really push trash up no when it's full so even though it's a slight

[2:14:52] grade change it's continuing to be planned on Crescent but designed to be

[2:14:59] is not

[2:15:00] At least interruptive is possible. Trash stinks. I mean, I don't mean to be funny or

[2:15:06] punny, but it's something that's hard to deal with. It really is. So this has worked

[2:15:13] for us in other projects, and you know, what does end up happening is you have a

[2:15:18] chance to have your trash, the trash truck double parked for a short

[2:15:24] period of time while they're pulling the bins out, dumping them, and putting

[2:15:28] them back. But they do it very quickly and try to get out of the way as quickly as possible.

[2:15:35] Thank you. All right, thank you. Plan commission members, anybody else have a question for the

[2:15:43] petitioner?

[2:15:47] I don't see anybody else unmuting. So I think what we're going to do at this point

[2:15:53] because of the time is take a five minute break. I've been asked by a couple people if we

[2:15:57] can do that. My computer clocks is 902 so at 907 we are going to start up or okay

[2:16:04] just jump to 903. 908 we're going to start up again so please five minute

[2:16:07] break and then we'll see you back here. My

[2:21:04] clock says 908.

[2:21:08] Not sure that we have

[2:21:10] everybody here but Kelly the next section was I was going to go into was

[2:21:15] the public comment assuming the Planned Commission members haven't thought

[2:21:18] of a question for the petitioner. Are you the one reading letters or is Katie doing that?

[2:21:23] Cole is going to read the public comments into this record.

[2:21:27] Okay. Oh, there he is. I see him now. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, that's not going to start yet.

[2:21:33] I'm going to ask the plan commission members if they are done. I want to ensure that no one had thought of a question before we move away from the plan commission asking the petitioner if they have anything.

[2:21:48] So, if I don't see anything, okay, then we'll go into the section for public comment.

[2:21:53] And I, Cole, I know you've got a number of things to read into the record.

[2:21:57] I also wanted to ensure, are you going to be the one asking if there's anybody on the

[2:22:02] phone that also has a letter that they've written and will they, do they have a preference

[2:22:07] whether they want to speak tonight or have their letter written?

[2:22:11] Sure, we can do that.

[2:22:12] And then Kelly and Stacey, if you want to let me know if anyone's raising their

[2:22:16] hand when we ask that. So we can have them talk please. Okay, that'd be great. I just wanted to

[2:22:21] add that I will be administering the three minute clock to keep everybody on track. Okay, thanks

[2:22:27] Kelly. Very good. Okay, we have 11 written comments so we'll do those first before going

[2:22:33] into everyone's comments on Zoom. The first comment is going to be from Kay Corfoot.

[2:22:40] We do not have an address for this because it was submitted via an email,

[2:22:43] But their comment reads, when you list new apartment buildings being built in Glenelon, it would be informative to state if they would be rentals or condos to purchase. Thank you.

[2:22:56] The next comment is from Samantha Martin at 431 Ridgewood Avenue.

[2:23:02] Their comment reads, I am writing to comment on the proposed apartment complex. As a new resident of Glenelon, I'm surprised at how many apartment buildings this town is currently building and considering to build.

[2:23:12] I have nothing against apartment buildings, but I would not have moved here if so many were going up

[2:23:17] It will ruin the aesthetic and feel the town and crowd the downtown area. I vote no on this project. Thank you

[2:23:28] The next comment is from Mike Wheeler their address is 44466 H Pennsylvania Avenue

[2:23:36] Well just a moment. We do have a Mike Wheeler in the audience. Mr. Wheeler

[2:23:40] Would you rather speak to the plan commissioner? Would you like your if you would like to speak to the plan commission?

[2:23:46] please raise your zoom hand otherwise we'll go ahead and read the comments into the record.

[2:23:52] I don't see a hand raised so go ahead Cole. Perfect. It is exciting to hear that holiday

[2:23:57] properties has returned to further their proposal at 460 C Crescent Avenue. This property has remained

[2:24:02] vacant for far too long. As a nearby resident I have seen dangerous behavior happening on the

[2:24:07] current building's roof and look forward to a new structure they'll be cared for by the owner.

[2:24:11] The deviations that are being requested did not be on reason for a building of this type

[2:24:15] going into a footprint of this size.

[2:24:18] The variance on that height is relatively small

[2:24:20] in comparison to the overall building.

[2:24:22] The parking solid should easily service

[2:24:24] the people living within the building,

[2:24:25] especially with so much within walking distance,

[2:24:28] vehicle sharing programs, and ride sharing.

[2:24:31] It is wonderful to see the development on Main Street

[2:24:33] and Lane Street underway in near and completion.

[2:24:35] These areas have definitely drawn the attention of vendors

[2:24:38] and this new development will continue to draw people

[2:24:40] into the downtown area of Glenelon.

[2:24:42] Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

[2:24:46] The next comment will be from Lee Ann Howell.

[2:24:50] They are located at 713 Kenilworth Avenue.

[2:24:55] Minimal building setback is not pedestrian friendly or in keeping with older parts of downtown.

[2:25:01] Streetscape on the south side along Crescent is particularly severe, barren with no plantings except young trees.

[2:25:07] It will be terrible to walk along the sidewalk in the summer, heat rating off a masonry wall.

[2:25:13] On the east side, in addition to a minimal setback and no planting, what is west with

[2:25:18] the fence along the street?

[2:25:20] How can drivers let a passenger out of a car?

[2:25:22] How will snow be cleared?

[2:25:27] The next comment is from Jena Sampson at 470 Pennsylvania Avenue, Glen Ellen.

[2:25:35] My husband and I own and live in a townhouse directly to the north at the proposed development.

[2:25:40] We will have a direct view of the north side of the building from our second floor

[2:25:44] living room as well as our third floor guest room and our fourth floor family room. I'm concerned

[2:25:49] by the many variances that are requested for this development. While development of this

[2:25:53] property is desirable, having a development that meets our current zoning requirements

[2:25:57] be good for the entire area. Homeowners should be able to rely upon zoning code to protect

[2:26:01] their investment in their homes. By continually granting many variances to the code,

[2:26:06] you undermine the integrity of the zoning code itself. Continually granting zoning

[2:26:09] variations undermines the look and feel of our downtown area. I urge you to stick to

[2:26:13] zoning requirements as you review this proposed development.

[2:26:16] My first specific concern is parking.

[2:26:19] This area already has a significant shortage

[2:26:21] of parking spaces and developers are requesting

[2:26:23] to cut their acquired parking spaces by 47 spaces.

[2:26:26] Even with the new parking garage

[2:26:27] on the south side of the tracks,

[2:26:29] parking in the north side will be very short.

[2:26:31] Renters, shoppers and vinyls will not want to park

[2:26:33] on the south side and walk across the tracks

[2:26:34] to get to their apartment or destination.

[2:26:37] I think it is important that the full requirement

[2:26:39] of parking spaces be provided in this development.

[2:26:41] It is reasonable to think that every renter in this proposed development will have a car.

[2:26:45] Yes, we are very close to the metro station, but even renters who work in downtown Chicago

[2:26:50] will need a car to get basing necessities such as groceries and prescriptions.

[2:26:54] On Friday and Saturday evenings on Pennsylvania Avenue, cars are often double parked and

[2:26:58] parked blocking the entrance and or exit of the legacy condominiums.

[2:27:03] The many restaurants in the area make nighttime parking especially a problem, particularly

[2:27:07] once we go back to full capacity inside dining. Currently, this property is helping to offset

[2:27:13] the parking shortage as visitors use the law for parking. When developed, this extra parking will

[2:27:17] no longer be available for visitors and parking will be harder to find for residents that occupy

[2:27:21] this building. Please require the full amount of parking spaces as determined by the zoning code.

[2:27:27] My second concern is the lack of normal setbacks for the building. By reducing the setbacks

[2:27:32] from Glenwood Avenue and the back of the building, the building will look much larger

[2:27:35] from our viewpoint to the north. It will also not allow landscaping around the back that would

[2:27:39] help beautify, soften, and blend the new building into the area. It will also make the area less

[2:27:44] safe for pedestrians, especially along Glenwood Avenue. The corner of Glenwood Avenue in Pennsylvania

[2:27:48] will need some traffic control and crosswalks added, as it is already difficult to cross

[2:27:53] that corner. The increased traffic that this development will bring will make walking even

[2:27:57] less safe than it is currently. Increased traffic will make an area difficult and dangerous

[2:28:01] exit from the legacy even riskier. I also object to the height variance requested,

[2:28:07] the size of this building will dwarf most buildings in downtown Glen Elm.

[2:28:10] The current zoning height restriction is sufficiently tall. Why do we have a height

[2:28:14] restriction if we do not enforce it? The townhouses in our development have

[2:28:18] rooftop balconies that enjoy the views of the village to the south

[2:28:20] and are a significant part of the enjoyment and value of our units.

[2:28:24] Allowing a height variance will impinge on those views especially for the six homes on

[2:28:27] in Pennsylvania Avenue.

[2:28:29] It will lower our poverty values

[2:28:30] and decrease the enjoyment of our homes.

[2:28:32] The massive blocks file, especially in the request

[2:28:34] to remove the step back requirement

[2:28:36] above 45 feet is granted.

[2:28:37] A couple of minutes.

[2:28:40] Thank you.

[2:28:44] The next comment is from Lee Marks at 475 Hawthorne.

[2:28:50] The building design for Glenwood Station

[2:28:52] should be deemed unacceptable.

[2:28:54] Is the typical anywhere USA design

[2:28:56] that most every developer submits to a town?

[2:28:58] Any building design for Glenwood

[2:29:00] should be reflective of our historic architecture, which began as recriable and on to Italian

[2:29:04] at in the 1880s and 1890s. In addition, the building is too tall for the site. This is

[2:29:10] a standalone building, and if overly large, will stand out like a sore thumb on the Chesney

[2:29:14] site. I would ask the developer to take a look at the outstanding design on the office building

[2:29:19] at 486 Dwayne Street, second building west of Park Boulevard on the north side of Dwayne.

[2:29:24] It is an exceptional contemporary interpretation of American federal period architecture.

[2:29:28] It is obvious that the developer who erected this building spent time touring Glenelon prior

[2:29:32] to presenting this project to the village.

[2:29:34] In my over 50 years of involvement in historic preservation in Glenelon, this is the only

[2:29:38] builder who hit the nail on the head as far as outstanding architectural design is concerned.

[2:29:43] I would ask that the developer for Glenelon Station consider meeting with the local

[2:29:46] architect and some of the preservation people in Glenelon to get a better handle on

[2:29:50] what would be appropriate for the Misesli site.

[2:29:52] The architecture of Glenelon Station doesn't need to be a copy of a specific

[2:29:54] style, but it makes sense design wise, so it contributes to clinical analysis to our

[2:29:58] extra escapes.

[2:30:00] Architect Jamie Simonette said that he would be happy to meet and discuss various design

[2:30:04] improvements. With my work in historic preservation, I hear a tremendous number of comments from

[2:30:08] residents who have said to me that while they are not opposed to apartments and condos coming

[2:30:12] to Glen Island, they absolutely do not want Glen Island to become another Arlington Heights

[2:30:16] or Lombard, where suddenly our town center becomes a canyon surrounded by an overly

[2:30:20] tall building.

[2:30:25] The next comment is from Lovis Walter at 124 Newton Avenue. They are

[2:30:31] to comment is simply how many of the proposed departments will be designed affordable.

[2:30:38] The next comment is from Adam Kruser. They are a form of chair of the Environmental Commission

[2:30:43] and a current delegate for the International Dark Sky Association. Good morning and thank

[2:30:49] you for the opportunity to comment. I'm concerned about outdoor lighting. As the village has

[2:30:54] tried to do with its fixtures on Roosevelt and within the CBD with commercial developments,

[2:30:59] the village should address good outdoor lighting design. The proposed projects at

[2:31:03] Ms. Jezny and on Main Street should include light fixtures and bulbs that minimize outdoor

[2:31:07] light pollution. All fixtures should direct light down, not up and or out. Bulbs should

[2:31:13] not be more than 2,700 Kelvin and brightness levels should be addressing controlled. As

[2:31:18] your local IDA delegate, I would like the opportunity to digress these concerns with

[2:31:22] the planning department and the board. These are simple measures that will not affect

[2:31:25] price, energy savings, or security. Thank you.

[2:31:31] Is that the end of it?

[2:31:32] That is the end, yes.

[2:31:33] Okay. Thank you. Kind of guessing. I appreciate that.

[2:31:38] Oh, I'm sorry. We have a couple more comments. I'm sorry.

[2:31:40] That's okay.

[2:31:41] That was the end of that particular comment.

[2:31:44] And then we have four more.

[2:31:47] The next comment is from the League of Women Voters.

[2:31:51] It is titled Public Comments for the Glen Ellen Plan Commission meeting November 12, 2020.

[2:31:56] In light of the newly published draft of the Glen Ellen Comprehensive Plan and the positions held by the League of Women Voters Glen Ellen.

[2:32:02] Thank you for the opportunity to provide the following comments.

[2:32:05] The League of Women Voters of Glen Ellin is strongly committed to the act of civic engagement

[2:32:08] in our community.

[2:32:10] Based on that important tenet, we are asking the Glen Ellin Planning Commission to not

[2:32:13] only evaluate the new holiday development plan with station at the Machesney and Miller

[2:32:16] location based on the prescribed village codes but also whether it meets the present

[2:32:21] and future housing needs of the village.

[2:32:23] The newly designed, the newly released draft of the comprehensive plan speaks

[2:32:27] to not only opening opportunities for high density development that can form with

[2:32:31] surrounding character of buildings but also that it promote attainable housing and a variety of

[2:32:35] price points to address the financial needs of seniors, young professionals, new families,

[2:32:40] as well as workers in our local retail and service industries. It is important to provide this

[2:32:44] developer and others with a clear message that a variety of price points matter and can be

[2:32:48] maintained in a development, though a collaborative effort with the village. We

[2:32:53] include a section of the village's draft of this new comprehensive plan that speaks clearly

[2:32:56] to this issue and then they quoted a section of the comprehensive plan that reads promote

[2:33:01] mixed income development provided for affordable attainable housing as future developments occur.

[2:33:07] The village should also consider dot to dot promote higher density residential development

[2:33:11] that provides housing for a variety of income levels. Such mixed income development allows

[2:33:16] lower income families to be included within and among higher income residents rather than

[2:33:20] concentrating into one area. This is supported by an inclusive stable and diverse community

[2:33:25] and creates desirable attainable housing options

[2:33:27] that blend in the village's urban fabric.

[2:33:31] Incentives to encourage developers

[2:33:33] to incorporate a percentage of the low market rate,

[2:33:35] affordable units should be promoted,

[2:33:37] such as fee waivers, tax abatements,

[2:33:39] and expedited approval into a higher density,

[2:33:41] mixed income residential development.

[2:33:44] Thank you for your consideration.

[2:33:45] And then it's from Kristin B. Malone

[2:33:48] and Erica Nelson,

[2:33:49] Co-presidents of the League of Women Voters.

[2:33:52] Okay.

[2:33:56] This one is from Jamie Simonette.

[2:34:01] Just a moment. I believe that Jamie is on also,

[2:34:04] and I just would like to see if he would rather speak to the plan commission.

[2:34:08] Sure.

[2:34:09] Maybe he has gotten off.

[2:34:12] Unless he's JJ S.

[2:34:14] He might.

[2:34:15] It's actually Daniel Simonite. So yeah, that's him.

[2:34:19] Jamie, would you like to speak to the plan commission directly?

[2:34:22] If so, please raise your zoom hand. If not, we'll go ahead and read your comment into the record.

[2:34:28] And I don't see a hand, so go ahead and proceed full.

[2:34:32] Perfect. I am disappointed that what is proposed is basically a carbon copy of what is currently being constructed on Main Street.

[2:34:40] Another oversized apartment complex that does not fit into our village's downtown vernacular.

[2:34:44] What I find hard to understand is how far this project progressed when it does not comply with the village's current C5B zoning, or come close to what is described in the comprehensive plan adopted in 2001.

[2:34:55] A quick study of the posted first floor plan reveals a project that denies the public pedestrian level among Crescent Boulevard of any retail spaces or store funds.

[2:35:04] The South Sun facing facade is 318 feet long, but does not provide a single public community or business opportunity.

[2:35:10] The developer is using a 60-foot frontage at the prime intersection of Crescent and Glenwood for the apartment lobby.

[2:35:17] The remaining 258 linear feet is nothing but a blank wall with two exhaust vents and two 25-foot wide overhead doors,

[2:35:24] providing access to the parking garage and hides below.

[2:35:28] The only retail space on the property is north on Glenwood off of the Boulevard.

[2:35:31] The 100 linear feet of this facade is divided between the building's lobby and a minuscule 55 feet of retail.

[2:35:38] retail. How can only 12% of the structures public facade be dedicated to retail in our

[2:35:44] downtown central business district be deemed acceptable? That's 428.70 feet total of furniture

[2:35:51] divided by 55 feet of proposed retail. Please insist that the developer excavate down another

[2:35:56] level and relocate the proposed street level parking so that the west end of Crescent

[2:36:02] Boulevard can become a vibrant extension of our downtown in lieu of a lifeless

[2:36:07] dead end. As a business owner here in town, I am pro-development, but I ask that the village

[2:36:12] enforce our zoning laws, provide variations that are only minor in nature, and make a

[2:36:16] common sense when driven by irregularities in pre-existing, non-conforming conditions.

[2:36:22] Variations awarded to new construction should be far and few between. As a Glen Island

[2:36:26] homeowner since 1995, I believe we deserve better. Please do not slam this through

[2:36:30] like this predecessor.

[2:36:32] We have one more comment. This one is from Peggy Oduhaven at 771 Revere Road.

[2:36:40] We have been happy residents here for 28 years. I think our time would benefit from this development.

[2:36:46] The building is attractive and blends well with the existing buildings.

[2:36:49] Occupants would have range from young professionals who need to be near the train for transitioning residents,

[2:36:53] looking to downsize from their larger glenone homes.

[2:36:56] It will provide additional parking and amenities residents can utilize.

[2:36:59] Introducing younger residents to our wonderful town and all it has to offer

[2:37:02] promotes future home sales as well, win-win Glen Ellen. And that is all the

[2:37:08] written comments. Thank you. Okay Cole, thank you very much. I there is one comment

[2:37:14] especially about the up lighting. I would you know if you like to address it

[2:37:19] or respond to that that would be great. I know that would be true or is that

[2:37:25] would be Chris?

[2:37:33] I admire the desire to reduce and eliminate light pollution. I

[2:37:39] actually share that generally. I also love the light buildings that are

[2:37:47] beautiful and so you know my sense is I do know that there are some my

[2:37:52] up lighting elements and the sconces on I believe the south side of the

[2:37:55] building and on the east side of the building. It's incorporated in the design. I don't think

[2:38:03] it's excessive. I think it's appropriate for the site. I would be sad if we had to

[2:38:12] eliminate it to be totally candid. But if it was something that is really a sticking

[2:38:17] point, we could look at that. Chris, I'd invite you to weigh in.

[2:38:21] Yeah this is something that you know we've we've looked at like I said we've we

[2:38:27] feel the nighttime view is just as important as the day you know ways this

[2:38:34] has been handled you know in other spots is these turn off at a certain time at

[2:38:38] night you know maybe it's 10 o'clock at night they do turn turn off you know

[2:38:45] And, you know, this is again, part of the feel of the building that we felt at night it was important to give it a glow. It's going to be on a prominent corner.

[2:38:58] Okay. All right. Thank you.

[2:39:02] All right.

[2:39:05] I've got a little note from Stacy here because she passed it to me about the affordable housing if Kelly or Katie wanted to comment about that.

[2:39:15] Sure, I'd be happy to. So the village actually is in compliance with the Illinois Affordable

[2:39:24] Housing Planning and Appeal Act that was adopted in 2003. That law required local governments

[2:39:32] and communities greater than a thousand in population to provide at least 10% of their

[2:39:38] total year on housing stock to be affordable and then they benchmark

[2:39:44] affordability based on 30% of your the area median income. The area median income

[2:39:52] for the Chicago area as delineated by the Census Bureau, the Metropolitan

[2:39:59] and statistical area is $63,327.

[2:40:04] So affordable would be 30% of that.

[2:40:10] The village does provide 15, almost 16%, 15.9% exactly

[2:40:16] as of the 2018 Illinois Housing Development Authority report

[2:40:22] which they prepare every five years

[2:40:25] in accordance with the act they mentioned.

[2:40:27] So, at this time, the village is not required to adopt an affordable housing plan and does

[2:40:33] not have a policy in place, however, it is something that is of public interest as of

[2:40:39] late and the village board actually plans to discuss it at their workshop next Monday.

[2:40:46] So, at this time, this development is not specifically required to as the village doesn't

[2:40:52] need or have a policy in place at this time.

[2:40:55] Okay.

[2:40:56] Thank you.

[2:41:00] All right.

[2:41:01] So at this time, I guess I'd like to invite anybody from the attendees who would have

[2:41:07] an interest in speaking to the plan commission to raise your hand and one by one will call

[2:41:13] on you and invite you to speak.

[2:41:16] You'll have a three minute timeline.

[2:41:20] You don't have to take the whole thing.

[2:41:21] You can use any portion of that that you choose.

[2:41:26] And I would ask that you use that your three minutes to offer new news to the plan commission,

[2:41:34] because that's what our role here is to take new input and to assess it.

[2:41:38] If you are agreeing with so that you can augment something that somebody else has said,

[2:41:44] you don't have to repeat everything they've said.

[2:41:46] You could just let us know that you agree with what they've said.

[2:41:50] So anyway, is there anybody in the attendee group that has an interest in speaking to the

[2:41:55] plan commission at this time?

[2:41:56] Please raise your Zoom hand.

[2:42:07] Chairman Locke, I see one hand so far from Kelly Mildren, and I am going to allow her

[2:42:15] to speak.

[2:42:17] Kelly, you are now able to speak and you've unmuted yourself, so you can go ahead.

[2:42:22] Please be reminded.

[2:42:23] Did we, we allow for the three minutes and we'll let you know when that's up, if you get close to that point.

[2:42:30] Good evening, Kelly. I'd like you to first introduce yourself. Tell us, we know your name, but tell us your address and then go ahead and speak.

[2:42:38] Good morning or good evening everybody. My name is Kelly Mildren new resident to Glen Ellen at 313 Hill Avenue.

[2:42:46] I just wanted to echo my support of this new development.

[2:42:51] She needs to be sworn in.

[2:42:54] She needs to be sworn in.

[2:42:55] Yes, you do.

[2:42:57] Sorry about that, Kelly.

[2:42:58] Okay.

[2:43:00] So, Barb, could you please swear her in?

[2:43:03] Yes.

[2:43:06] Would you please state your name and address for the public record,

[2:43:09] or you already did that.

[2:43:10] Sorry.

[2:43:11] Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

[2:43:15] Yes, I do.

[2:43:16] Thank you.

[2:43:17] Yeah, absolutely.

[2:43:19] And thank you, Tracy, for reminding us of that.

[2:43:22] Okay, go ahead, Kelly.

[2:43:24] Yeah, so I just just, I've been listening to everything tonight.

[2:43:27] I was really interested to see what these development plans were really how they're coming to fruition in the town.

[2:43:35] And I think it's just a real value add for a lot of the things that everybody else has already kind of said.

[2:43:43] but I just am a super strong feeling of this being a really great thing for the community.

[2:43:50] I think it's a big value add for the downtown city center and we'll bring in some maybe commuters

[2:43:55] that are looking to maybe leave the city younger families that are starting and hopefully will

[2:44:01] be home buyers in Glen Ellinat future dates as well. So I just wanted to give a big thumbs up

[2:44:08] that I'm a big supporter of this project.

[2:44:10] All right, thank you very much for speaking.

[2:44:14] All right, is there anybody else that?

[2:44:19] Chairman Locke, I do not see any more hands.

[2:44:23] Okay, given that, then I guess we could have a motion

[2:44:28] to close the public hearing.

[2:44:30] So moved.

[2:44:32] And I need a second.

[2:44:35] Second.

[2:44:35] All right. Barb, we have a motion by Commissioner Heming-Litwin and a second by Commissioner

[2:44:43] Hemmel-Heron. May I have a roll call vote, please, to close the public hearing?

[2:44:48] Yes. Plan Commissioner Hemming-Litwin. Yes.

[2:44:54] Yes.

[2:44:55] Thank you Commissioner Mulherin.

[2:44:57] Yes.

[2:45:00] Chairperson Locke. Yes.

[2:45:02] Planned Commissioner Brown. Yes.

[2:45:06] Planned Commissioner Fanella. Yes.

[2:45:09] Planned Commissioner Rodiman. Yes.

[2:45:13] Planned Commissioner Said. Yes.

[2:45:17] Planned Commissioner Van Druska. Yes.

[2:45:23] The motion to close the public hearing passes. All right. Thank you very much.

[2:45:27] All right, we're into the portion of plan commission deliberations.

[2:45:31] Does anybody want to start us off with their thoughts on this project?

[2:45:37] Mr. Mulherin, you are unmuted.

[2:45:40] Be my guest.

[2:45:41] Well, I, I, you know, I'm always leading off and I, but I'll, I'll, I'll take a shot at it.

[2:45:47] Not always leading up, but I get stuck in it sometimes.

[2:45:50] Yeah, yeah, we all do.

[2:45:52] Yeah.

[2:45:52] Okay.

[2:45:54] Very much in favor of this project.

[2:45:56] And I was just looking at the exceptions.

[2:46:02] I suppose the largest one to address, two is heightened parking.

[2:46:09] I think parking is extremely adequate, as we've seen in, you know, the petitioner didn't

[2:46:15] discuss it, but auto ownership is actually declining on a per capita basis in this country.

[2:46:21] And I think we're moving, we're moving to more time-sharing arrangements and it didn't mention it, but, but we have a enterprise

[2:46:31] standardized in town that you can lease, lease a car by the hour or whatever if you want.

[2:46:37] The height, I think, I have no difficulty with this.

[2:46:41] I think it's an outstanding project and I kind of agree.

[2:46:46] I think the, actually, while it might be made slight variance

[2:46:51] for it, I don't think the spirit of the height,

[2:46:53] the height condition is met.

[2:46:58] In terms of the other things, the corner side yard setback,

[2:47:03] I have no difficulty with that.

[2:47:04] the front yard setback, not having a setback from the higher up, the emergency generator

[2:47:13] equipment and the lot coverage ratio I'm absolutely fine with. I don't think that.

[2:47:20] I think this adds a great deal to this site, which has been clear, has been a very challenging

[2:47:30] And this is going to be a good result.

[2:47:34] And I think it will really stimulate some other good things in the community.

[2:47:38] All right. Thank you, John.

[2:47:40] Chairman Locke.

[2:47:41] Yeah.

[2:47:41] I think there might be some other feedback.

[2:47:44] The staff was looking for related to some of the appearance.

[2:47:49] Elements.

[2:47:50] Katie or Kelly, can you pop in and.

[2:47:55] Refresh their memory.

[2:47:56] Yes.

[2:47:57] So I know it was.

[2:47:59] I believe at the very tail end of your lengthy meeting packet, but there was a memo that

[2:48:08] we had sent the petitioner following their receiving comments from the Glen Island Historic

[2:48:15] Preservation Commission and the Glen Island Historical Society where we when we solicited

[2:48:21] some feedback from the historic preservation community and there were some suggestions

[2:48:25] that they had provided that I think the petitioner was they alluded to some of

[2:48:32] it being added but I think they wanted to get the public's feedback and the

[2:48:36] Plank mission's feedback and there's a condition of approval suggested

[2:48:41] condition of approval that also speaks to that. So are there anything in

[2:48:47] particular or just because I remember going through that list and there were

[2:48:51] a lot of things and some of it was spoke to tonight but is there

[2:48:54] or something that, is this an all or nothing

[2:48:58] or specific pieces?

[2:49:00] So we, as staff, we had thought that any increasing

[2:49:06] parapet wall heights, for example,

[2:49:09] any further investigation into enhancing the lighting

[2:49:14] that's being installed, particularly along Creston.

[2:49:19] They did mention the iron work

[2:49:23] and the a possible public art piece. So I think they wanted to know if you weren't

[2:49:32] concurring with that or if there was anything additional. Okay. Okay,

[2:49:43] and that's

[2:49:44] good. And the staff report, if anybody has that in front of them and it's a

[2:49:47] little easier to read than the historical preservation letter at the

[2:49:50] very end of the packet, but then that you're really talking to about item

[2:49:55] number 12, which is the petition incorporating some additional design

[2:49:58] details as recommended by the Historical Preservation Committee. That's what

[2:50:02] you're talking about. Okay. Okay. Chairperson Locke, there were just a couple of

[2:50:06] other things I wanted to note specifically that were talked about,

[2:50:10] possibly integrating some more detail on the corners of the buildings,

[2:50:14] possibly varying the heights of the cornices a little bit. One of the

[2:50:17] comments that came up over and over again was breaking up the roof line because

[2:50:21] they were saying it looked a bit flat. So they were recommending that maybe some

[2:50:25] of the parapets be further deviated so that there was a little

[2:50:29] bit of variation in the roof line. And then finally maybe a little bit more

[2:50:34] of an intricate detail on the cornice is kind of a further final item that

[2:50:39] staff thought out of all the comments from the HBC might might be

[2:50:42] interesting to take a look at. Okay, now is that in any of our documentation that's

[2:50:48] not in the letter? It's it's something that's easy for us to refer to. I'm just

[2:50:56] I think it's just in the letter. Okay, okay, that's okay. I just wanted to know if

[2:51:01] it was at elsewhere because sometimes they are they're summarized elsewhere. I

[2:51:03] know Dave got all of that. I'm still writing it down. So we're gonna ask Dave

[2:51:09] Dave to speak because he's going to have all that. So, I don't know if he wants to go next. Would you be willing to do so, David.

[2:51:22] I can go next. Okay, thank you.

[2:51:25] So speak directly to what were you asking.

[2:51:29] I'm trying to follow. I mean, it was some of the recommendations.

[2:51:33] It was just more of the, how did you feel about the recommendations from historical preservation

[2:51:39] and any of the exterior appearance recommendations, too?

[2:51:43] Can I help?

[2:51:44] Maybe I can help and I can read the specific, like, five things they wanted us to address.

[2:51:52] I have it right in front of me.

[2:51:53] Okay.

[2:51:54] And this is nice because, and Katie just put it up because it's very hard to read

[2:51:59] if you're reading the package on your PC, at least for me it was.

[2:52:04] So it's additional, some of the additional things to possibly include and to address,

[2:52:10] adding detail to the building corners, varying the roof line by increasing the cornice heights,

[2:52:17] incorporate public art and historical light fixtures. Okay. Those are the

[2:52:25] five, five things, right?

[2:52:29] Building corners, veering roofline, four things, incorporating public art and historic fixtures,

[2:52:37] light fixtures.

[2:52:38] Okay.

[2:52:41] I mean, I can speak to, you know, the corner has.

[2:52:48] Go ahead.

[2:52:49] I just think we need to, we need to make sure we all talk about that and come to

[2:52:55] of some kind of a consensus for if we're going to approve this to be part of a condition,

[2:53:02] right?

[2:53:03] Right.

[2:53:03] That's what I believe.

[2:53:04] And that's why I kind of-

[2:53:05] Okay.

[2:53:06] Yeah.

[2:53:06] I mean, let David go.

[2:53:08] I sense he's given it some thought.

[2:53:10] Go ahead.

[2:53:10] I mean, that's fine.

[2:53:12] You know, I don't, I think some of the ideas are somewhat addressed in, you know,

[2:53:20] the petitioner's presentation, some of the last slides of attempting to, you know, add

[2:53:30] some of this detail, I think architecturally, you know, varying the roof line traditionally

[2:53:37] would help break up a big volume like this. I don't think we're going to vary that roof

[2:53:42] line that much to really make that much significant impact. I don't think you'll

[2:53:49] necessarily see it a whole lot unless I just think it's a good idea so maybe we

[2:53:58] say go ahead let's study it a little bit I think maybe to vary the profile of the

[2:54:03] cornice along with varying the roofline height might actually have an impact

[2:54:08] you'd start to see something that looks different on one day than on the other so

[2:54:13] I would be in favor of that. As far as adding additional detail or opportunities for public

[2:54:21] art, you know, I think the idea that we don't want blank walls, we're trying to animate

[2:54:27] the street. I too, much like one of the public's comments, you know, that long wall

[2:54:35] along the street, that that's very challenging. But I think the steps that the petitioner

[2:54:42] has taken, obviously, from the previous presentation to now, I think it's quite a bit improved.

[2:54:51] And I think the direction it's moving is in the right direction, so I can continue with

[2:54:59] my other comments.

[2:55:00] Yeah, go ahead.

[2:55:01] Yes, please.

[2:55:02] Okay.

[2:55:03] You know, I do think, you know, I came into this tonight, still, I still feel that

[2:55:10] the building's too big for the site. We limit our bulk in town by a couple things, by lot coverage

[2:55:18] and building height. We don't use what they call FAR. We, you know, we, we have ways to limit buildings

[2:55:25] as far as how they, you know, get fit in onto a site. And this building is certainly

[2:55:32] a massive building for that size site.

[2:55:38] However, you know, through the presentation

[2:55:42] and the steps that this,

[2:55:43] the petitioner and the architect here at,

[2:55:47] they've made some nice,

[2:55:50] they, I think they've improved what they had before

[2:55:53] tremendously.

[2:55:54] I think the setback and having the one story

[2:55:58] project out along Crescent

[2:55:59] and then pulling the building back

[2:56:01] will really reduce the wall effect along Crescent.

[2:56:06] I'm much less concerned about a pedestrian,

[2:56:10] about the feel and the fact that I have terraces of bald.

[2:56:16] I think the way that they've handled it

[2:56:19] and still get this many units in this much parking,

[2:56:23] I think they've done probably the best they can

[2:56:27] with the conditions they have.

[2:56:29] and I know it's an economic formula that comes up to make a project make sense or not make sense.

[2:56:39] I mean, I do feel that coming up, we're still coming up short of retail space for what I would

[2:56:48] prefer to see, but I don't want retail that's down on a tail end that's going to die either.

[2:56:54] So, you know, I kind of worry, I think where they placed it and how they've animated the street and what they've done on the second floor.

[2:57:04] I think it's all in the right direction. So I applaud them for that.

[2:57:10] I'm not, and I'm still uneasy about the ball.

[2:57:19] Okay, my comments.

[2:57:21] Okay.

[2:57:23] Anybody else from the Planned Commission like to make a comment at this point?

[2:57:28] And again, I cannot, I can only see half the group here with my view because of the.

[2:57:34] Mary, I think.

[2:57:35] Okay, go ahead.

[2:57:40] I actually really like the way this project turned out as the iteration has gone from

[2:57:44] the pre-op to the current one that we've seen today.

[2:57:47] I think the petitioner for taking our opinions and our ideas into account and I think that

[2:57:55] anything that you can't incorporate from the historic point of view and those little details

[2:58:01] that make it a little more like Glen Allen and a little less cookie cutter would be appreciated

[2:58:05] but I don't want to dictate anything to the architecture of the building.

[2:58:10] That makes sense.

[2:58:13] I think this building has a city feel I really like with the big second floor balconies overlooking the street, the way it's lit up.

[2:58:22] And the drop off area was a great idea and just want to make sure that we do have that requirement to post the 15 minute signs.

[2:58:30] And I think this moves us closer to our goal of 450 new residential units to downtown.

[2:58:38] And we've approved the project by the library main street project.

[2:58:42] And this just gets us a little bit closer by my math where this will get us to 241 of that 450 units.

[2:58:50] So we're moving towards that goal.

[2:58:53] I'm comfortable with all of the conditions for the plan, and I think I touched on everything

[2:59:02] that the staff has asked us to talk about, so if I missed anything, let me know.

[2:59:06] Okay.

[2:59:07] Thank you very much.

[2:59:10] Who else would like to offer your thoughts?

[2:59:13] Hey, Jamie.

[2:59:14] I'll chime in.

[2:59:15] Please.

[2:59:16] You know, these projects are so hard, right?

[2:59:19] you know this is a big project it's in an interesting location I think versus

[2:59:24] say the Main Street project where it's in a location where that property sat for

[2:59:30] a long period of time it is really long it is a narrow piece of property so it's

[2:59:36] a little awkward I think the fact that it sits a little lower is extremely

[2:59:42] helpful in the overall we're considering the height of the building

[2:59:46] right? I mean, if we can build a 60 feet and the elevator tops are at seven feet higher than that,

[2:59:53] I don't really have a problem with that part of it. I walked around that area earlier than the

[3:00:01] I think, you know, you get torn right between trying to do what's right for the village, trying

[3:00:09] to also advance, you know, hopefully trying to do something good for the village financially

[3:00:17] and then help grow the village, you know, historically. We've talked about, you know, the style of

[3:00:24] this town and the charm of this town and I don't, it would hate to see anything happen

[3:00:29] to that at the same time I think you know there is a patch quilt of different styles in this town

[3:00:36] when you look at the architecture over time right it's not like Galena where everything

[3:00:41] happened in a 10-year period so I think you know overall I like the project I'm okay with the

[3:00:50] height I think some of the things a petitioner brought up tonight I appreciate or do appreciate

[3:00:55] the amount of detail and time they took all you guys to try and accommodate all

[3:01:02] the input and some of the character of the town and some of the architectural

[3:01:08] elements let's call them I guess. And overall I'm in support of the project. I

[3:01:15] am not totally sure how we go about incorporating some of the things they

[3:01:19] put in their presentation into this but overall you know I'm okay with the

[3:01:26] project I think they put a lot of time and effort into trying to accommodate

[3:01:31] and seek input from various groups into this project I think the retail end of

[3:01:37] it is tough looking at my notes you know part of the problem with Main Street

[3:01:41] is you had retail and parking on the first floor right and you had to move

[3:01:45] all the residential parking to the second floor once you've done that you

[3:01:48] have any residential, your first floor, first floor of full units is a third floor. So in this case

[3:01:56] you've got a lower parking level and you have a mid-level parking, and I think trying to accommodate

[3:02:02] more retail, which would be ideal, but it would be really hard to do without giving up parking

[3:02:08] and then having to find a place to put that, which seems crazy when you have a building that

[3:02:12] long, but it it's just kind of just, I guess, how I logically was trying to break it down

[3:02:18] when I was looking at it and I agree like David said if there's anything we can do that crescent

[3:02:24] side is obviously the longest part of that building it is going to be the most obvious part that needs

[3:02:31] probably the most breaking up because this is the most visible so anything we can do to soften

[3:02:36] that you know would be great and if there's architectural elements or historical elements

[3:02:41] that can be incorporated into that I think it'd be great but yeah okay that's about the extent

[3:02:46] of my notes. All right, Jamie, thank you very much. All right, Tracy, go ahead.

[3:02:53] I really appreciate that the developer did take a lot of what we talked about back in May,

[3:03:02] and I like Angela in looking at, we for years have been saying we need these types of units

[3:03:09] within Glen Allen you know whether it be empty nesters or younger people places

[3:03:16] for them to be part of the village and you know the site has set vacant for so

[3:03:22] long that you know it's it's there's taxes being paid but there could be a

[3:03:29] lot more taxes being paid by developing the site and you know again I

[3:03:37] We know somebody recommended that they dig two stories down to put in parking at a second

[3:03:44] level, you know, both of them below grade, which we've had numerous discussions in the

[3:03:49] past on other developments that that's just not something people want to do is to drive

[3:03:56] two grades down if they're living in a building.

[3:03:59] And so the retail piece of it is, is limited.

[3:04:03] it.

[3:04:03] I think they could put something in there that's sorely missing in Gledon.

[3:04:09] I think they mentioned possibly a high-end deli, which I think would be great.

[3:04:15] Maybe some kind of a bakery or something, something that we don't have and can be there

[3:04:23] and move to that, you know, bring people into that area.

[3:04:29] I appreciate the fact that I personally like what they've done with colors and that they've put black windows in and are trying to bring in some of the iron elements on the outside that they already have there.

[3:04:44] I also believe that along Crescent we do need to have something, you know, they did break it up so it's not just the same wall all along they have different areas but it would be nice maybe if they could do something.

[3:04:59] Again, I'm just going to put it out there.

[3:05:04] Murals are fine, but over time, you know, they need upkeep.

[3:05:10] So it's, you know, whatever's being done, I would like it to mean something to Glenn

[3:05:16] Allen but not be something that is initially done and then not kept up.

[3:05:21] You know, maybe it is adding some iron work into that area.

[3:05:26] But the one thing I will say is, because I've walked that path a lot in my lifetime here,

[3:05:34] in Glen Allen, I think by them giving those parking spaces back and making that sidewalk wider

[3:05:40] than it was, is going to be helpful even though there is going to be a solid wall against Crescent.

[3:05:46] Because that was a very narrow sidewalk due to the fact of people having the parking,

[3:05:54] parking, the inlet parking along there. So from that standpoint, I'm okay with the

[3:06:01] lighting. I know I'm a big proponent of not having a ton of lighting around, but I

[3:06:07] think the way the lighting is done and if it's, if there is a way to turn off certain

[3:06:13] types of those lights to make it darker at a certain time of the day, I think it's

[3:06:18] something we should do. But on the other hand, I also think that area needs some

[3:06:22] lighting for safety reasons from that standpoint. So, if I'm going to go look at the four things,

[3:06:31] the Historic Preservation Commission and the Glen Island Historical Society,

[3:06:38] the roofline, again, I think David said maybe having some more, not necessarily height,

[3:06:48] but more detail to it. And Commissioner Rodman, if I'm misspeaking, I would agree with you there.

[3:06:59] And, you know, again, any way we can do some kind of bringing in some history to Glenelon to

[3:07:06] that outside of that building, I think it's fine. I think we have to be careful, though,

[3:07:10] about telling them to go with this saying it has to be a historical light fixture.

[3:07:16] I just don't know if I want to get that specific with them, and that would be what I have to input.

[3:07:26] Okay, thank you very much.

[3:07:29] I am in support of this project because it meets the intent of our comprehensive plan, multi-units with the commercial space.

[3:07:41] But the commercial space is not enough.

[3:07:45] And also the parking for the commercial is my big concern.

[3:07:51] Because they cannot do any parking on the, I think Glenwood Road.

[3:07:57] And it will be difficult for the customers who come to this commercial place.

[3:08:06] Overall, I think this project meets our comprehensive plan requirements and I am in support of that.

[3:08:17] Though it looks very long on the glimmer, on the crescent, but I think the architect and the developer has done a fantastic work.

[3:08:31] work, it looks very beautiful in that area. Though it is alone. I mean, I'm in support.

[3:08:38] All right. Thank you, Mohammed. Okay. Laura, did you want to join in on anything?

[3:08:46] Sure.

[3:08:49] I'm supportive of this project. I think all of the everything that they've

[3:08:57] done since May has really made it a lot more appealing. I like all the changes to the

[3:09:03] more side of the building. I really think the step back on the

[3:09:11] present side is nice. I think that this building achieves a

[3:09:19] goal of keeping retaining current Glen Allen residents,

[3:09:23] homeowners, this gives them an option to maybe downsize, sell

[3:09:26] their home and but still stay in the community. And also

[3:09:31] attract new younger residents that are looking to explore the option of buying in the suburbs

[3:09:38] but want to try out renting first. I love the idea of McChesney deli. I hope the McChesney

[3:09:46] family would grant that request. And overall, I think it's a great addition to the town.

[3:09:54] All right. Thank you very much. I agree and with a lot of the things my fellow commissioners

[3:10:01] said. I like that step back in Crescent. I think that adds a really neat personality to the building.

[3:10:10] I love what Laura just said about the deli. I thought the idea of a McChesney deli was just

[3:10:15] wonderful. And it really, you know, if you used, if you were able to pull that off

[3:10:21] and use some of the old signs from McChesneys, that would be, it would be so fun. I think that'd

[3:10:26] need. I really want to thank the petitioner for just, you know, investing the time and energy

[3:10:33] at this point in Glenelon and your interest in Glenelon. And also, I want to thank you for working

[3:10:38] with the historical preservation group. And please do incorporate their suggestions as much as

[3:10:46] you can. They have, you know, I know that sometimes I don't feel like I am the expert on

[3:10:55] architectural renderings, even though we're to give the exterior appearance review. But there's

[3:11:00] those that I worked with the architecture group and the historical preservation and those folks

[3:11:05] do know what they're talking about. So I really appreciate you continuing to work with them.

[3:11:10] And so I am in support of this project. And thank you very much for your time tonight.

[3:11:17] I think what we need now, based on what I'm hearing from my fellow plan commissioners,

[3:11:21] is a motion to approve this project.

[3:11:25] Mary, can I just add one more comment?

[3:11:27] Yes, please.

[3:11:29] We didn't mention staff,

[3:11:31] because I think the work that staff has done

[3:11:33] on this project is absolutely outstanding.

[3:11:37] And I want to congratulate all of you.

[3:11:39] I think it's, they brought the developer

[3:11:41] along as we've acknowledged.

[3:11:43] And I don't think we wouldn't,

[3:11:45] we wouldn't, you know, they're making,

[3:11:48] they're making this possible, I think.

[3:11:49] So I appreciate it.

[3:11:51] All right, and I will echo Mr. Moharin's comments.

[3:11:55] So thank you very much to all the staff

[3:11:57] for all your hard work in this.

[3:12:00] So that motion, I guess I have a question

[3:12:03] because we have a draft motion and support.

[3:12:06] And then we also have the findings of FACT,

[3:12:09] which is a five-page document.

[3:12:11] Can we somehow summarize this five-page document

[3:12:15] or do you really need us to go through this?

[3:12:19] I don't think we need to read it, correct?

[3:12:22] That's correct.

[3:12:23] So the way that we've set this up, we're going to be attaching the findings to the minutes so they're available.

[3:12:28] We don't need to be read into the record, but just the motion itself needs to be read into the record.

[3:12:33] That does include the conditions though, Tracy.

[3:12:35] Okay.

[3:12:36] Okay.

[3:12:37] I think he's got it.

[3:12:38] The only thing, the only thing we, I need to clarify is as part of the motion,

[3:12:47] It talks about the Historic Preservation Commission in Glendale and Historical Society

[3:12:53] and about the memo addressed on October 12th, which do we want to say they need to incorporate

[3:13:05] some things, including detail to the building corners, varying of the roof line, incorporating

[3:13:11] public art and historic light fixtures prior to the village board review. Do we want to make that

[3:13:20] a condition of our vote tonight or do we want to remove that since there are already I am assuming

[3:13:33] and correct me if I'm wrong, Katie and Kelly, that when this goes in front of the Village

[3:13:41] Board, that information from the Historic Preservation and the Historical Society will

[3:13:48] be part of that package and the Board can address if they don't believe that they've

[3:13:55] taken enough of that into account.

[3:14:00] Did that make any sense?

[3:14:02] Yeah, but let me start with the first part of your question, which is do we want to

[3:14:07] Leave the draft the motion as it's written with number 12 in it or you're saying should we potentially take it out?

[3:14:14] I'm personally fine. We're adjusted. Yeah, I'm fine with it in there personally. So let's see what the other commissioners ask

[3:14:20] because you asked that that was

[3:14:24] What is everybody have it or do I need to read that read well, please okay

[3:14:30] that the petitioner incorporates some additional design detail into the building as recommended

[3:14:37] by the Historic Preservation Commission and the Glen Ellen Historical Society per the memo

[3:14:43] addressed to the petitioner dated October 21, 2020, which might include adding details

[3:14:50] to the building corners, varying the roofline by increasing the cornice heights, incorporating

[3:14:57] public art and historic light fixtures.

[3:15:00] Any such changes shall be incorporated prior to village board of the project.

[3:15:06] So this would mean they

[3:15:08] would have to change their designs to include these prior to submitting, prior to going in front of the

[3:15:16] village board with the way it's written. But it says might include. Right. I think we left it just a

[3:15:24] little bit open-ended so that they wouldn't have to include all those things, but if you all wanted

[3:15:28] to suggest one or two that those things could be incorporated prior to the

[3:15:32] Village Board reviewing and taking a look at the project. And again, I find with

[3:15:36] the soft wording for so that they can choose what works best for them but. So

[3:15:43] should we put that if the petitioner chooses to incorporate more? Maybe we

[3:15:52] say something like they work with staff to incorporate as many as

[3:15:56] possible prior to the village board meeting.

[3:16:01] No, I'm fine with that.

[3:16:03] Certainly we have some recommendations.

[3:16:05] Otherwise number 12 wouldn't be there.

[3:16:08] Yes, Katie. Right.

[3:16:10] I was just,

[3:16:14] if there were any elements that the petitioner share during their

[3:16:17] presentation specifically that maybe weren't included in the packet.

[3:16:20] that the planning commissioners preferred and maybe you could specifically call those out even like the detailing on the columns, for example.

[3:16:31] And the art metal work there if there are any features that they were suggesting.

[3:16:39] We could also look at it in the alternative, we could say if there was anything they proposed

[3:16:44] that you didn't like, let us know and then we'll make sure those aren't included.

[3:16:50] On the other hand, there were so many things I don't know that I wanted.

[3:16:53] I don't want to list them.

[3:16:55] I like your idea of let's work with staff to incorporate, you know, to improve the

[3:17:00] building.

[3:17:01] Yeah.

[3:17:04] You're okay with that?

[3:17:05] I'll change it.

[3:17:05] Yes, I'm okay with that.

[3:17:06] Okay, thank you. I'll change it to say that the petitioner work with staff to incorporate some additional design details.

[3:17:15] Into the building is recommended by the historical preservation. Yeah, right. Yeah, and then continue on. So I'm just adding that. Okay. Okay. Okay, you guys. This is long.

[3:17:27] I'll do my best to get through this quickly as possible.

[3:17:30] After conducting a public hearing and deliberating on the requests of the Petitioner, Michael

[3:17:35] O'Connor, Vice President of Development and Leasing of how holiday properties for approval

[3:17:40] of a special use for preliminary and final planned unit development with zoning deviations,

[3:17:48] a special use to allow multifamily dwellings and exterior appearance, allow to all, sorry,

[3:17:55] All to allow the construction of a five-story mixed-use building with ground floor commercial space, apartments, and an enclosed parking garage on the property located at 460 Crescent Boulevard in the C5B central service district, or sub-district.

[3:18:12] The Plan Commission hereby recommends approval based on the findings of FACT as discussed

[3:18:20] at the Plan Commission public hearing on November 12, 2020, and a copy of which will be attached

[3:18:26] to the minutes of the meeting and kept unfit as part of the permanent record of the village.

[3:18:32] The Plan Commission makes the recommendation of approval with the following conditions.

[3:18:36] Number one, that the petitioner construct, maintain and operate the development in substantial

[3:18:42] conformance with the plans and testimony presented at the plant commission public hearing and before the village Board of Trustees.

[3:18:49] Number two, that the petitioner shall install, maintain, and replace all landscape material per the approved landscape plan.

[3:18:57] Number three, that the petitioner prepare a construction management plan for review at a pre-construction meeting with the police, fire, public works, and community development departments.

[3:19:08] And that sets village staff approve the construction management plan before the issuance of building permits.

[3:19:17] Number 4, that a proposed drop off slash pick up recess curve area at the northwest corner of Crescent and Glomode intersection should remain in the and incorporate and be incorporated into the village board approved.

[3:19:32] Downtown streets gave improvement plan be signed with a time limit of 15 minutes.

[3:19:37] Number five, that the petitioner shall comply with the downtown streetscape improvement plan adapted by the village board for the Glenwood Avenue and Crescent Boulevard right-of-ways and coordinate with public works on the installation of the materials.

[3:19:53] Number six, that any outdoor cafe seating obtain a license agreement with a village annually before seating is installed and used.

[3:20:01] Number seven, that the petitioner coordinate with public works to install a new bike rack consistent with downtown streetscape furniture in an appropriate location.

[3:20:11] Number eight, that sheets A-101 and A-102, prepared by tandem architecture Inc.

[3:20:21] dated 11-5-2020, which propose a total of 104 parking stalls, be modified as

[3:20:30] required by the 218 Illinois accessibility code and section 10-5-13-I of the

[3:20:38] zoning code to provide that no less than 102 parking styles prior to building permit

[3:20:44] issuance.

[3:20:45] Number nine, that all visible rooftop mechanical units be screened with the height not to exceed

[3:20:53] that of overall maximum height deviated granted.

[3:20:57] Number 10, that all proposed improvements to the public right-of-way be subject to

[3:21:03] change per the pending downtown central business district streetscape improvement per

[3:21:08] for village board approval.

[3:21:09] Number 11, that the petitioner secure all required

[3:21:13] temporary construction and perpetual easement

[3:21:18] on private property before the issuance

[3:21:20] of any building permits.

[3:21:22] Number 12, that the petitioner work with staff

[3:21:25] to incorporate some additional design detail

[3:21:28] into the building as recommended

[3:21:30] by the Historic Preservation Commission

[3:21:31] and the Glen Island Historical Society.

[3:21:34] Prove the memo address to the petitioner

[3:21:36] dated October 21, 2020, which might include adding details to the building corners varying

[3:21:43] the roof lines by increasing the corner sites, incorporating public art and historic light

[3:21:47] fixtures. Any such changes should be incorporated prior to the Village Board review of the

[3:21:52] project.

[3:21:53] Number 13, that the petitioner pay a total of $171,205.64 in developer donations for

[3:22:03] dispersal to the Glen Elm Park District, School District 41, School District 87,

[3:22:08] the Glen Elm Library, and the Glen Elm Bound to Fire Company before the issuance of any

[3:22:13] construction building permits. And number 14, that all floor plans, elevations, and other

[3:22:20] architectural plans be consistent with one another to the satisfaction of the building

[3:22:24] and zoning official prior to the issuance of any building permits.

[3:22:28] I have a motion. May I have a second please?

[3:22:31] I do okay Mohammed okay Barbara may we have a roll call vote we have a motion

[3:22:40] by Commissioner Heming-Litwin and we have a second by Commissioner Said all

[3:22:46] right plan Commissioner Heming-Litwin yes plan Commissioner Said yes chair

[3:23:00] person lock. Yes.

[3:23:04] Plan commissioner Brown. Yes. Plan commissioner Fanela. Yes.

[3:23:12] Plan

[3:23:13] commissioner Moheras. Yes. Plan commissioner Rademann. No.

[3:23:22] Plan commissioner

[3:23:23] Vandrista. Yes.

[3:23:28] The motion passes. Okay. Thank you very much Barb. And thank you

[3:23:33] to our petitioner. We wish you well and thank you staff on this project. So, we can move

[3:23:42] on to our next agenda item. Can I, I'm sorry. You sure can jump in. Sure, Dan. Ask one of

[3:23:52] the planners, Katie, can you give an update on when this is projected to go to the village

[3:23:57] board or so in her slide I know you don't have to get bring that up I just

[3:24:05] remember if I remember being it at being there December there is only the one

[3:24:13] village board meeting in December as the holidays so I just wanted everybody who's

[3:24:24] on the call to be re-reminded of that in case they wanted to follow this further.

[3:24:29] I think that's a great suggestion, especially since I'm sure the petitioner wants to hear

[3:24:33] it too.

[3:24:37] My agenda says other business, but let's just go straight to the trustee report.

[3:24:41] Mr. Enright, are you still there?

[3:24:44] Yeah, I'm here.

[3:24:45] Can you hear me?

[3:24:45] Excellent.

[3:24:46] And we sure can.

[3:24:47] Loud and clear.

[3:24:48] Great.

[3:24:49] Interesting meeting.

[3:24:50] thanks a lot everybody for sticking out for the three hours or so and so what we

[3:24:56] do what you do exactly that's what everybody else does too right and so

[3:25:03] just the thing that we've been working on lately on the Village Board is the

[3:25:07] budget and the last reading of the budget was for around $65 million for

[3:25:14] this year, which was less than last year, which was $77 million, mostly due to the building

[3:25:21] of the parking garage.

[3:25:24] And so we had the first reading last week.

[3:25:27] And then the next reading, the final reading will also be coming on that 14th of December

[3:25:32] meeting.

[3:25:32] And so watch for that at that time.

[3:25:36] And then, and then otherwise, you know, some of the things that we've been talking

[3:25:41] about our like the McKee house and you know what's going on with trying to save it and whether or

[3:25:47] not we're going to be able to come up with any donations to be able to remodel the house and get

[3:25:54] it ready for other uses which you know some of the civic groups are working on now and so for

[3:26:02] the most part that's what we've been doing a lot of workshops and budgets I can tell you that

[3:26:06] So thanks for everybody's time.

[3:26:09] All right.

[3:26:10] Thank you very much.

[3:26:12] The chairman report is next.

[3:26:15] I just have a couple of things.

[3:26:17] First off, the civic betterment party is conducting the elections for the village offices of the library board, the village board and village president.

[3:26:25] So if you haven't voted Saturdays, because there was early voting, but that is even ended for tonight.

[3:26:32] But Saturday from 9 to 2, you can vote at the Civic Center in person.

[3:26:38] And I voted last Saturday in the early voting, and I actually thought they did a great job of the way they handled the separation of all the different voting booths and sanitizing the pens if you wanted to use their pen.

[3:26:51] I just thought they did a very, I felt a very safe, you know, environment for voting.

[3:26:56] If you're uncomfortable even with that, they're offering two drive through voting options, one at the village links and one at the parking lot west of the library.

[3:27:07] I'm not quite sure how it works, but my guess is you'll drive in. They'll check your IDs to ensure that you're resident of Glen Ellen and give you a ballot.

[3:27:16] You probably pull over to a car and fill out your ballot and then pull out to an exit location where you're turning your ballot in.

[3:27:23] But I think it's a neat opportunity, you know, COVID has created some interesting solutions that I think that we'd stick with for a long time.

[3:27:32] And I think both the Civic Veteran Party early voting and this drive through voting might be something that would stick around for a while.

[3:27:39] So, but I encourage everybody to vote this Saturday and vote for Mary Locke for a village president.

[3:27:44] It's okay, you want a little bit of an asterisk for an opinion there.

[3:27:50] The next thing I wanted to mention is the COVID situation, and only just because this

[3:27:55] is the mother in me coming out, I feel like we've been practicing for six months with

[3:28:00] our mask and our hands sanitizing and not rubbing our eyes, and it's interesting to

[3:28:04] watch a Zoom meeting and see people rub their eyes, and I just want to just grab

[3:28:07] their hand and say, please stop doing that.

[3:28:09] Anyway, what I'd really want to just say is everybody, be safe, we're going into the

[3:28:14] next six months, we've got a six month test and now the real test is happening, you know,

[3:28:19] so be safe.

[3:28:20] So that's my thoughts on, in my report.

[3:28:23] So do we have a staff report?

[3:28:25] That's our next agenda item, okay?

[3:28:27] Who is giving the staff report?

[3:28:28] Is that Kelly?

[3:28:29] I saw her nodding her head.

[3:28:31] Anybody is welcome.

[3:28:32] I do have two things that I wanted to chat about.

[3:28:34] Katie, did you have anything that you wanted to head it off with, the staff part?

[3:28:38] you're muted. I can just share that Mortensen, the consultant for design

[3:28:49] build firm for the Village parking garage, did submit their final beauty plans

[3:28:56] and a preliminary beauty amendments related to a couple screening items of

[3:29:01] utilities that are going to be near that public space. So we are still

[3:29:06] targeting the December 17th meeting. Now that the quorum has been confirmed for that date,

[3:29:12] but that's the only thing that I have coming up to you guys next month.

[3:29:18] Okay. A quick update on the streetscape materials. If you all haven't been out to the corner of

[3:29:24] Preston and Maine right over by M&Ms on the south side and east side of that building,

[3:29:28] there have been installed some new streetscape materials. There's a great

[3:29:36] little scanner thing that you use your cell phone to take your cell phone with you when you go.

[3:29:39] You use a little scanner, it pops up the website and it's really easy to vote for your favorite materials.

[3:29:44] I would encourage everybody to get out and give your input on that.

[3:29:47] As, you know, over the next couple of months we're going to be trying to gather as much input from the community

[3:29:52] on what everybody's favorite materials are for the new streetscape.

[3:29:56] Secondly, comprehensive...

[3:30:00] I just received this week from our consultant the full document. It is up on their website

[3:30:06] if anybody wants to have a little preview. We have scheduled two open house meetings

[3:30:12] and we're really hoping that we can have them given what's going on with the COVID situation.

[3:30:18] We're going to do our best to make sure that we can do the in-person open house at the

[3:30:22] village hall November 18th. That's going to be from 5 o'clock to 7 p.m.

[3:30:28] We're going to do our best to make sure there's less than 10 people in the gymnasium at all

[3:30:32] times.

[3:30:33] Everybody's going to be required to wear a mask.

[3:30:35] It will be social distance.

[3:30:36] That's why we're in a big gymnasium.

[3:30:39] So unless, you know, the governor creates some additional restrictions on, you know,

[3:30:44] meeting spaces and so forth, we're going to try to have that in-person open house.

[3:30:48] For folks who don't feel comfortable coming out to that, we will have the second

[3:30:51] open house the very next day, November 19th.

[3:30:54] That will run from 6 to 7 p.m. And that will be done via zoom

[3:30:58] administered by director Springer myself and

[3:31:02] Any of the other planners who want to participate that evening?

[3:31:06] and then finally I just wanted to mention that the

[3:31:10] Draft comprehensive plan the first of three public hearings before the plan commission has been tentatively scheduled for December 10

[3:31:18] Again, that's provided. We get to have the open houses that we're expecting to have

[3:31:22] And not any issues was covered that further restrict us being able to do that.

[3:31:27] So that is all of the updates that I have.

[3:31:30] Oh, one other thing we are expecting to be bringing back cannabis to the Village Board for consideration at a workshop meeting first, Stacy, right?

[3:31:41] Is that correct?

[3:31:41] Yes, we are going to be doing it at the December 7th Village Board workshop meeting for a discussion.

[3:31:49] Kelly, do you want to wrap that up or you want me to pick up from there?

[3:31:56] Okay, so essentially we're just going to kind of be putting together a quick memo that kind of reminds them of where we've been and what the recommendation was from the plan commission on the proposed text amendments way back when that would allow recreational cannabis to be sold only in the C3 zoning district with a special use.

[3:32:14] They should decide that they would like to allow those types of businesses in the village.

[3:32:19] There were a number of other restrictions that the plan commission recommended as well, such as no, you know, onsite smoking anywhere or onsite consumption rather certain safety measures and so forth, those types of things.

[3:32:32] So they'll be getting a memo regarding that we did have.

[3:32:35] you know on the ballots the question to the community, the community came back

[3:32:40] basically 50-50 split as we kind of seen through all the surveys that we done we

[3:32:44] had done prior to bringing the question to the plan commission and to the

[3:32:48] village board the community was really split down the middle so we'll see

[3:32:52] where they take it from there. Okay thank you. So we have a if we if we

[3:32:59] didn't have our the comprehensive plan meeting on the can't happen on the

[3:33:06] 10th because we don't have we haven't heard what was going to be on the 10th

[3:33:11] comprehensive plan right the public hearing for the comprehensive plan

[3:33:15] plans of plan if we if we can't have it on the 10th would we move what was

[3:33:20] going to be on the 17th to the 10th then I don't believe so so the issue

[3:33:25] with that. I, as I had kind of tried to allude to in my email T-wall was we're on a really

[3:33:31] kind of tight timeline. I think it's nearly, it's close to impossible, but we're going to

[3:33:38] try to pull it off. And it's a really tight turnaround for the reviews like one week in

[3:33:43] between submitting review, submitting review, which is a little atypical for us. So I think

[3:33:49] that's as expedited as it could get. If that's, if I'm speaking out of time,

[3:33:54] Okay. No, that's fine. I was just, I was just wondering if for some reason it did. The 10th didn't happen. We wouldn't do the 10th, but then we'd still have the other item on the 17th.

[3:34:07] Yeah.

[3:34:09] You correct me if I'm wrong, Lee.

[3:34:11] No, I agree.

[3:34:13] And maybe I can wrap it up unless Katie had something else you wanted to share.

[3:34:18] So thank you for a couple of the commissioners extended their appreciation to the planning staff to bring this project forward.

[3:34:31] I don't know that a lot of people recognize the amount of work that goes into that and Katie has managed this case from the very beginning and she's done a great job this is her.

[3:34:44] She's really only been here a little more than a year, although I feel like she's been here forever.

[3:34:49] And she's doing a fabulous job and she put in a ton of hours on this.

[3:34:55] And Cole and Kelly helped out this week too, trying to pull everything together.

[3:35:01] But it is, it's a lot of work and they have been putting in a lot of extra hours, because this isn't the only project we've got going on.

[3:35:10] We have a lot of really high priority projects on our plate right now.

[3:35:13] And so thank you for noticing that they're doing a really great job.

[3:35:21] I also wanted to give you a little bit of an update on something exciting I'd like to share.

[3:35:28] Back effective on October 30th.

[3:35:32] We had a promotion in the department actually we had to.

[3:35:35] But we've been trying to work on ways in the department to streamline our operations and use our time and our resources more effectively.

[3:35:50] And in doing that, we recognize that there's a lot on a lot of people's plates and we can best accomplish that by having someone supervising the planning division.

[3:36:03] for the department. So right now we've had a building official supervising the

[3:36:11] building division and I have been supervising the planning division which

[3:36:17] I've not been able to keep up with as well as I would like to and also for

[3:36:21] succession planning it would be good to have someone else be able to do what I

[3:36:26] do. So I am pleased to announce that we have promoted Kelly Purvis from

[3:36:31] planner to planning manager.

[3:36:37] Congratulations. Thanks. Way to go. She is well deserving.

[3:36:43] She's been with the village five years now. Is it five or six? A little more than five.

[3:36:48] Okay and she started, I don't know if you remember this, but she started as a planning

[3:36:52] intern back in 2014 and then we hired her as a associate planner and then we promoted her

[3:36:58] planner and now she is planning and she is well deserving of this recognition. I tell you

[3:37:04] it's only been a couple of weeks but already things are running smoother and she's got it all under

[3:37:10] control and I have the greatest respect and confidence in her and I know she'll do a fabulous

[3:37:17] job. So congratulations. Congratulations Kelly. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it.

[3:37:24] I think that's all I have.

[3:37:26] Well, that's a lot. We like that one.

[3:37:28] And I love going, you know,

[3:37:29] love ending this on a high note,

[3:37:30] unless somebody else has something else that I'd like to bring up to the

[3:37:33] plan commission at this point.

[3:37:36] Otherwise I don't really need a motion to adjourn, but I'll take one.

[3:37:40] So moved.

[3:37:42] At a second.

[3:37:44] Meeting adjourned. Thank you all. Really appreciate it.

[3:37:47] Happy Thanksgiving, you guys.

[3:37:49] Happy Thanksgiving. Stay safe.

[3:37:55] Good luck, Mary!

[3:37:57] Oh, thank you!

[3:37:58] Good luck, Mary!

[3:37:59] Go vote, guys!

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