[0:29] [clears throat]

[0:30] Commissioner Hadine, can you hear us?

[0:31] All right.

[0:34] >> Yes, I can hear you.

[0:36] >> Great. Thank you.

[0:38] >> Thank you.

[0:40] >> Okay. I want to welcome everyone to this

[0:42] workshop on August 18th with Stan County

[0:44] Commission. We have in attendance

[0:46] Commissioner Hadina online, Commissioner

[0:48] Hadler, Commissioner Man, Commissioner

[0:50] McCertie, Commissioner Winfield, myself,

[0:52] Commissioner Mccl, and our

[0:55] administrator Mark Tiner and

[0:57] administrator Paul. And with us today,

[1:00] we have um Bad Pock Design, Rob Codle,

[1:05] and we have Marcus Keller with

[1:07] >> Cruz, Associates, and Melissa Jeffers,

[1:10] our economic development.

[1:13] we're going to talk about. So, a few um

[1:16] months ago, the commission made a vote

[1:19] to go out to bid for an RFP on the

[1:24] county jail and

[1:26] um Becock Design was chosen by the

[1:29] subcommittee, the working group, and now

[1:32] they're here to present final report.

[1:36] Thank you. Thanks for coming. I

[1:37] appreciate you guys being here.

[1:40] Okay, I am going to start off just with

[1:43] a little bit of background to catch

[1:44] everyone up because it has been a few

[1:46] months since this project started. So,

[1:49] just give a little bit of background and

[1:52] then share a little bit about the rhythm

[1:54] and the cates and the schedule for this

[1:55] meeting and how we hope to be able to

[1:58] wrap things up to give everyone

[2:00] questions and answers. But just to go

[2:03] back a few months before this project

[2:04] started, there was a subcommittee

[2:07] working group that was voted on by the

[2:08] commission. So the broader commission

[2:11] may not be aware of the details of kind

[2:13] of how that project unfolded. The

[2:16] working group is really familiar because

[2:18] they had a regular cadence of meetings,

[2:20] but for everyone else, just give a

[2:22] really brief background.

[2:24] But uh I think that the commission and I

[2:26] wish I had an opportunity to go back and

[2:28] watch that meeting. I did not. But I

[2:31] want to say that there was universal

[2:33] agreement among the FE that we have some

[2:36] really significant challenges with our

[2:38] current jail that have to be addressed.

[2:40] They are not inconsequential. They are

[2:43] not substantial fixes that needed to be

[2:46] addressed. And that raised the question

[2:48] of whether or not a fixed guideway tax

[2:51] may be the appropriate way to address

[2:53] some of those challenges that needed to

[2:55] be met in whatever form those challenges

[2:58] were met. And the commission decided at

[3:02] that time or the majority of the

[3:03] commission decided by vote at that time

[3:05] that there just wasn't enough

[3:06] information to be able to have that

[3:08] discussion and that they would like some

[3:10] more time and some more information. So

[3:14] at that point the working group formed

[3:17] and a feasibility study went out for

[3:20] RFP. The purpose of that uh feasibility

[3:23] study was not to design anything to make

[3:25] decisions. It was literally to get just

[3:28] enough information without spending too

[3:30] many resources to be able to make that

[3:33] decision that we had enough information

[3:36] to be able to bank. So the feasibility

[3:38] study was to study physical feasibility

[3:41] meaning how could we address the

[3:43] challenges what could be built what's

[3:45] possible when you take it all the way to

[3:47] fullbrite. And then there's the

[3:49] financial feasibility component which is

[3:51] whatever decision is made what would it

[3:54] cost? How would it be funded? what would

[3:56] be some appropriate mechanisms that

[3:58] could be explored. So that RFP went out

[4:01] for bed. We received three proposals in

[4:03] the working group chose Babcock design

[4:06] as the author of that feasibility study

[4:08] working associates as our public finance

[4:12] partner and I have put it's in the

[4:15] packet and I have also put a printed

[4:17] piece for each of you with the bio of

[4:21] Rob from Babcock Design and you'll see

[4:23] why they were ultimately selected to be

[4:26] able to put this feasibility study

[4:28] together. uh just a list of some of the

[4:31] experience that they've had with both

[4:33] design and feasibility. The Iron County

[4:35] Sheriff's Complex, the Jab County

[4:38] Sheriff's Pro uh project, King County

[4:40] Community Outreach, San Pete County

[4:43] Sheriff's Complex, and the list just

[4:45] keeps going on. So, they are certainly

[4:47] very qualified and up to date with both

[4:49] the Skyway Tax as a project mechanism

[4:53] and then also uh the design aspects,

[4:55] feasibility aspects of those types of

[4:57] projects. So, the feasibility study was

[5:01] put together. The finance piece of the

[5:03] feasibility study was put together and

[5:06] they're here today to be able to present

[5:08] the findings of that, not as a decision

[5:11] or as a detailed analysis, but just

[5:13] here's what it could potentially look

[5:15] like if you want to explore this is a

[5:17] project and here's about what it might

[5:20] cost. So, they'll be able to share that

[5:23] information. And then one step further

[5:26] today, Mayor uh Mike Wender from Mil

[5:30] Creek City will be joining us remotely.

[5:32] The purpose of his joining us is that uh

[5:36] Mil Creek City has a very similar

[5:38] project to parts of the project that are

[5:41] being explored and he can speak to the

[5:45] capital stacks that were put together

[5:46] for those projects, the different

[5:48] funding mechanisms that they've employed

[5:50] because it's got some what four phases

[5:53] of the project with about five different

[5:55] capital staffs and has some of the most

[5:58] >> variability I guess that I've ever seen

[6:00] in some of these projects. And so I

[6:02] thought it might be instructive or

[6:04] informative to hear how this actually

[6:05] plays out in a practical on the ground

[6:07] project and then to be able to ask him

[6:10] questions as well. So with that uh I

[6:14] will kick it off to Babcock Design

[6:18] >> and the graphics are going to be on the

[6:20] screen

[6:20] >> correct.

[6:21] >> Okay. Yeah. All right. Where where's the

[6:24] best place for me? It's better for me to

[6:25] stand up sit here or

[6:26] >> either way you can stand right there

[6:28] this microphone or you can sit down

[6:29] >> better so I can at least see Steve.

[6:35] » Uh, okay. So, thank you for having us.

[6:38] Um this has been uh something we've been

[6:41] working on for several months now as

[6:43] Melissa mentioned and um it it started

[6:48] out as primarily a feasibility study um

[6:51] for a replacement for the existing

[6:55] sheriff's office and jail to combine

[6:57] those into

[6:59] single um central facility that had new

[7:05] housing units housed all the functions

[7:08] for the sheriff's office as well as

[7:10] provided potential other uh features

[7:14] depending on budget of course such as uh

[7:17] emergency operations dispatcher 911 uh

[7:21] also even third party uh state and

[7:23] federal agencies. It's quite common in

[7:25] rural communities that the the county

[7:28] jail or the sheriff's complex has space

[7:31] for highway patrol uh adult probation

[7:34] and parole and uh sometimes drug court

[7:38] uh just depending on how each county

[7:40] does it. But the idea is is that uh it

[7:43] becomes you're taking all these

[7:44] functions that are kind of strewn about

[7:47] the county in in various buildings. You

[7:49] have different operations spread about.

[7:51] This is a very common problem. Um and by

[7:54] bringing them together in a new facility

[7:57] that um

[7:59] centralizes that communication, it

[8:01] becomes a more efficient and a more

[8:03] effective situation. There's also issues

[8:06] with things like central evidence

[8:08] storage and a central location for um

[8:12] search and rescue or things like that.

[8:14] So what you're going to see here, we we

[8:17] explored three different options. Um and

[8:21] um I'm just going to go through those

[8:23] fairly quickly. I know that Sheriff

[8:25] Wiggins is here. Nice to see you,

[8:26] Sheriff. Um

[8:29] if any specific questions on the jail

[8:32] and and the needs uh requirements or the

[8:36] needs assessment there, um it'd be great

[8:38] to have Sheriff Wiggins

[8:41] participate in that conversation. But

[8:43] the short version is is that your the

[8:45] current jail due to its age and um the

[8:48] time it went when it was designed which

[8:50] was late 80s early 90s um it's a very

[8:54] common layout um for a jail of that

[8:58] vintage. There was a whole series of

[9:01] county jails that were designed and

[9:03] constructed in the late 80s early 90s

[9:05] all throughout Utah. And we're seeing

[9:08] systematic um kind of repeat of the same

[9:11] scenario where the facilities are just

[9:14] they they're just old. They're kind of

[9:16] beat up. They're having infrastructure

[9:18] issues. Um so there's a lot of just

[9:21] general maintenance and kind of wear and

[9:24] tear issues. But beyond that and the

[9:27] most concerning issues of jails of that

[9:31] age are uh they not they do not meet ADA

[9:35] um and they don't conform to any current

[9:37] jail guidelines. Well, I shouldn't say

[9:39] they don't accord to any there's many

[9:41] jail guideline guidelines that they do

[9:43] not conform to. The other thing from an

[9:46] operations point of view is the way

[9:47] they're laid out. um they rely heavily

[9:50] on cameras for surveillance whereas

[9:52] modern facilities

[9:54] uh we do whatever we can to have line of

[9:57] sight wherever we can and to create

[9:59] layouts so that it's more efficient for

[10:02] uh the sheriff to staff the jail to be

[10:04] able to monitor the inmates um with the

[10:08] right number of people. But it's also a

[10:09] safety issue. If you have blind corners,

[10:11] if you have um you know, if the

[10:13] kitchen's down the hall and around the

[10:15] corner and the only

[10:18] surveillance you have is a camera, by

[10:20] the time something happens, it's going

[10:22] to be too late. And so what we're seeing

[10:25] is throughout the state, um a lot of

[10:28] counties are finally having to confront

[10:30] the reality that it's time to do a new

[10:33] facility to because the li potential

[10:35] liability of some of these issues. um as

[10:39] time goes on uh starts to uh be more

[10:43] painful than than uh having to bite the

[10:46] bullet and build the new facility. So,

[10:49] um we could go real quick to the next

[10:51] page.

[10:54] So, these this is a feasibility study.

[10:58] So what what you're all going to see

[10:59] here while they they are architectural

[11:01] drawings in the sense that we have floor

[11:04] plans and you're going to see some

[11:05] massing and three-dimensional um kind of

[11:09] representations of of shapes of

[11:11] different pieces of buildings. They are

[11:13] drawn to scale but this is not a design.

[11:15] We're not in design yet. The point of

[11:18] feasibility is really to establish the

[11:20] feasibility of the project to see okay

[11:23] this is the land we have to work with.

[11:24] these are the projects we're trying to

[11:25] do and does it work? Does can we fit it

[11:29] on the site? Does the circulation work?

[11:32] Um, and trying to answer all those

[11:34] questions up front. So, it gives uh the

[11:38] commission the ammunition or the the

[11:42] information that they need to make a an

[11:45] informed decision on whether or not it

[11:47] is worth proceeding to that next phase.

[11:50] Um, so this is just an this is just a a

[11:54] view of of the existing block. Uh, it's

[11:56] basically the block that we're on right

[11:58] now. Um, the building the mess in the

[12:01] lower left corner is the building that

[12:03] we're standing in now. Um, and so for

[12:06] the sake of this this study, we've kind

[12:08] of confined ourselves to this block.

[12:10] Next slide, please.

[12:14] So, an interesting would would it be

[12:17] possible to to make that full screen or

[12:19] blow it up or is that uh

[12:21] >> that's about as big as my Okay,

[12:23] >> thank you.

[12:24] >> I mean, I could zoom into certain areas.

[12:28] >> Yeah, that okay. Oh, that's great. Yeah,

[12:30] that that's

[12:31] >> Yeah. So,

[12:32] >> now we want

[12:32] >> Yeah. So, that's that's the existing uh

[12:34] site. Now, an interesting thing happened

[12:37] when we started this process. Uh, one of

[12:40] the first things we always do when we do

[12:42] a feasibility study is we go down and

[12:44] walk the site with the folks that live

[12:47] in the community, operate the jail, um,

[12:50] all the folks that are kind of the

[12:52] stakeholders, if you will, in a given

[12:54] project just to understand the lay of

[12:56] the land, see if we understand, you

[12:58] know, to physically walk the property.

[13:00] We're looking for topography issues.

[13:01] We're looking for is the is the sheer

[13:05] shape of the site

[13:07] something we can work with. And as we

[13:09] were walking it, we we started talking

[13:11] about some of the how how this project

[13:15] fits into the overall fabric of Moab,

[13:18] the unique nature of the of the tourism

[13:22] that obviously drives one of the major

[13:25] economic engine Moab. And one of those

[13:28] issues that um came up was that parking

[13:32] is a major problem in Moab. and having

[13:35] parking that is within reasonable

[13:39] proximity to center street or Main

[13:42] Street, excuse me. Um, and so as we were

[13:46] looking at the site, it appeared there

[13:49] was an opportunity to

[13:52] uh come up with a concept for a parking

[13:56] structure that could fit on the site

[13:59] that would basically go in the northeast

[14:01] the west half northeast corner that

[14:04] would have somewhere between two and 300

[14:07] parking stalls. But on the ground floor,

[14:09] because of the the

[14:12] pedestrian nature of the community,

[14:14] although, you know, there's shops

[14:15] everywhere, a lot of the shops and

[14:19] experience in Moab bleeds into the

[14:22] blocks to the east and the west of Main

[14:24] Street. And so on the ground floor

[14:27] looking at what if we did a a retail

[14:30] commercial

[14:32] use on the ground floor so that the

[14:34] experience at the pedestrian level is

[14:36] something that uh allows to continue

[14:39] that sort of uh continuation of those

[14:42] sorts of uses whether it's restaurants,

[14:45] office space, shops, whatever it may be.

[14:48] So uh we we didn't start out planning on

[14:52] putting a parking garage in there. So I

[14:54] wanted to give a little context for why

[14:56] that's there. For the sake of this

[14:58] study, they are two separate projects.

[15:00] However, um but because they share a

[15:03] common site and there's um

[15:07] you know common functions and timing and

[15:09] things like that, we want we we're

[15:11] showing it as part of this study to help

[15:12] communicate the big ideas. So in this version up the oddly shaped

[15:18] building in the upper right hand corner

[15:20] that would be the new public safety

[15:21] building and the and it's semi-ircular

[15:24] shape would be it's a would be a housing

[15:27] pod for right now that is sized for 120

[15:31] beds. Um

[15:34] what 120 beds provides for uh Grand

[15:38] County is not only the capacity to um

[15:43] house

[15:44] uh the local inmate population that

[15:47] they're required to to take care of. Um

[15:51] for those of you that don't under don't

[15:52] know this, um the state of Utah, the

[15:55] county sheriff is under constitutional

[15:58] guidelines that it's their

[15:59] responsibility to house uh all of the

[16:02] inmates

[16:04] u from from your county. And it's it's

[16:08] constantly a challenge because um

[16:12] especially in rural areas just because

[16:14] of issues with the cost of these

[16:16] facilities. So, the other the other

[16:19] thing that's interesting about uh the

[16:22] jail operations in the state of Utah is

[16:25] that the Department of Corrections uh

[16:28] from the prison actually will uh they will contract out groups of inmates

[16:36] to county jails throughout the state.

[16:39] And I can't remember the current number.

[16:41] It's 1,600ish

[16:43] it um is how many are dispersed at

[16:46] various jails. Now what that means is

[16:49] these are these are folks who have been

[16:51] convicted, adjudicated and sentenced and

[16:55] they're uh they have to be part of a

[16:57] certain population a lower risk

[17:00] population that they don't send uh the

[17:03] worst of the worst out to be to be

[17:05] housed in community jails.

[17:07] A lot of them are drug and sex

[17:09] offenders, geriatrics, things like that.

[17:12] Um, and that sounds a little scary, but

[17:14] the reality is is that um if you provide

[17:17] the necessary programs in your jail,

[17:20] those those inmate populations are

[17:22] actually um easier to take care of

[17:26] because they're nonviolent for the most

[17:28] part and majority of them are there to

[17:31] do their time and to go through the

[17:33] programming. what why they would go to a

[17:35] county facility is the state will will

[17:38] pay a pdeium to the to the county jail

[17:42] to house the inmates which is less than

[17:45] what it cost them to do it but it it's

[17:49] more money than what it cost the county

[17:51] to provide that service. So, it does

[17:53] generate some revenue and pretty much

[17:57] the majority of the county jails in the

[17:59] state of Utah, other than the the really

[18:01] large ones like uh Weber County, Salt

[18:04] Lake County, Davis County, Utah County,

[18:07] they don't typically have a lot of um

[18:10] contract inmates. They have some, but

[18:12] they don't have a lot because they're in

[18:13] a urban metro uh area. But in these

[18:19] rural areas, um, every major jail has

[18:24] anywhere between,

[18:26] uh, a couple dozen to several hundred. I

[18:29] believe Beaver is up around 300. So,

[18:32] when we talk about beds, this is just

[18:36] this is a fairly conservative size. This

[18:37] is 120 beds.

[18:40] You can it's it's scalable if the

[18:44] community were to decide that there was

[18:46] a benefit.

[18:47] um to going larger to have the

[18:50] capability to provide for contract beds.

[18:53] Um that's certainly the county's option.

[18:57] Um so I want to sorry that was kind of a

[18:59] long-winded explanation for that

[19:01] background about that. I

[19:02] >> I think it's important for context to

[19:04] let uh folks know how many beds we

[19:06] currently have in in our jail right here

[19:08] uh couple hundred yards that way.

[19:10] >> Yeah. Is it 64?

[19:12] Yeah, 64 beds. And that's that is that

[19:15] maximum. Yeah. And um

[19:20] the idea is here that the 120 would

[19:22] provide definitely the coverage for 64

[19:25] plus um a buffer and to add growth.

[19:29] Obviously these facilities are quite

[19:31] expensive relatively speaking. So um you

[19:35] want to have a facility that's going to

[19:37] give you 40 or 50 years hopefully.

[19:40] And you also have this is also laid out

[19:42] such that there are six different day

[19:45] rooms. So it gives the sheriff uh

[19:48] [clears throat] and the jail commander

[19:50] more flexibility with how they uh

[19:53] segregate the population. For those of

[19:55] you that don't know, when when some when

[19:57] somebody gets booked into jail,

[20:00] everybody just doesn't go into one big

[20:01] room. uh your each inmate is is

[20:05] classified and goes through a a process

[20:08] of understanding where which population

[20:10] they belong in so you don't have the

[20:13] wrong people with the wrong group. Um so

[20:16] what you have here um the the round

[20:20] shape option is the housing unit the

[20:22] where the number one is that is the on

[20:24] the ground floor it would be all the

[20:26] jail functions uh that that basically

[20:28] provide support for the jail. So it's

[20:30] kitchen laundry. It's the vehicle Sally

[20:32] port work. You come in. In fact, if you

[20:34] want to advance the slide.

[20:39] [clears throat]

[20:39] So

[20:43] let's see. Go one more forward, please,

[20:45] if you if you don't mind. Uh one more.

[20:52] Oh, there it is.

[20:54] And you can just zoom out just to just

[20:56] click. So, this is not the design, but

[21:00] this is a an adjacency diagram that kind

[21:04] of shows all the functions that happen

[21:06] inside of the jail. There's a lot that

[21:08] goes on in the jail uh that most people

[21:10] don't realize, but you are housing, if

[21:14] you're housing 120 inmates or even 100,

[21:17] you're talking about three 350 350 meals

[21:22] a day. Um, so it's three meals a day

[21:26] plus a plus a factor on top of that. Um,

[21:29] so you have a full-time kitchen and you

[21:32] have full-time laundry. The laundry in

[21:34] the kitchen's usually housed by inmates.

[21:36] Um, it's set up such that um,

[21:40] you have a central control room that has

[21:42] visual surveillance down these straight

[21:44] hallways. So central control can see

[21:46] down the hallways all the way to pod the

[21:48] pod. This is the the housing pod, but

[21:51] can also see into

[21:53] You have, you know, glass on the on the

[21:55] windows here. Laundrying kitchen.

[21:57] Inmates usually are the primary labor

[21:59] force in in the jail laundrying kitchen.

[22:02] They're your lower risk inmates, but

[22:03] they're still inmates. So, having that

[22:06] um surveillance is important. Uh but it

[22:09] also houses all the booking intake.

[22:13] Um houses all the inmate property. You

[22:16] have a vehicle sally port, which is

[22:18] basically a very large garage with

[22:19] high-speed doors where if somebody's

[22:21] being brought to jail, they go in the

[22:23] sally port, the doors closed. It's a secure situation. Then they're

[22:28] brought into intake and processed and

[22:31] they're either going to bail out at this

[22:32] point or they're going to be spending

[22:34] the night in jail. Um, Granford also has

[22:38] uh the sheriff's office has his staff

[22:42] that uh works in the jail

[22:45] and he has patrol staff, he has

[22:47] detective staff. Um,

[22:50] not forgetting anybody, sheriff. Those

[22:52] are basically the three big groups. But

[22:55] we always uh we recommend having the the

[22:58] jail admin, the jail staff be on the

[22:59] ground floor and it's a matter of just

[23:01] going into the security. This is all

[23:03] secure. Um, inside this facility,

[23:05] there's a public lobby that uh, and

[23:07] we're showing a drug court with a

[23:09] visitation area, but drug courts where

[23:11] somebody goes if they're on a court

[23:13] mandated test, you know, if they have to

[23:15] do a daily drug test or periodic drug

[23:17] test. Um, but the public has access to

[23:20] be able to come in here, interact with

[23:23] the sheriff's office, um, you know, put

[23:27] money, boards and inmates, uh, accounts

[23:31] for their of this area and things like

[23:33] that. But also, um, there is a little

[23:37] bit of visitation. There is no contact

[23:39] visitation in in this in these jails

[23:41] these days. Um the only visitation

[23:44] that's actually face to face is usually

[23:46] between an attorney and an inmate. The

[23:48] rest of the visitation is is done with

[23:50] video. So there's a scheduled time where

[23:54] uh whoever wants to make the visitation

[23:56] can remotely dial into a secure site and

[23:59] there's a a visitation screen unit on

[24:03] usually in the day room uh for the

[24:06] inmate to be able to have video

[24:08] visitation. So the idea is is to have

[24:11] less movements of inmates from place to place. The most dangerous

[24:18] um time for someone from the sheriff's

[24:21] office is transporting moving a prisoner

[24:23] from point A to point B, especially if

[24:26] you're outside. Um and so anything you

[24:30] can do to minimize the movements.

[24:34] um this programming

[24:36] uh what I'm talking about there is those

[24:38] are the those are uh multi-purpose

[24:40] spaces that um allow for church

[24:43] services, education, drug treatment, um

[24:47] library. The idea is is that they are

[24:50] multi-purpose. Um volunteers from the

[24:52] community usually will bring in

[24:54] religious services or conduct an AA

[24:56] meeting. uh you know psychological

[24:59] counseling or drug counseling, addiction

[25:02] counseling can happen there. In the case

[25:04] of like uh say a sex offenders group, um

[25:09] they have a very specific program they

[25:10] have to go through that's mandated by

[25:12] the state before they're allowed to be

[25:14] released. So having space for that is

[25:16] very important. So and this is we have

[25:19] not changed this in each of these

[25:20] options, but I felt it was important

[25:23] that you kind of understood the lay of

[25:24] land. Uh next slide, please.

[25:27] So on the this is just a kind of a 3D

[25:30] cutaway of the same thing. Um what

[25:32] you're seeing here would be the ground

[25:34] floor retail along 100 east going up to

[25:37] 100 north and um with the public safety

[25:42] building back here. Next slide.

[25:46] And then on on the top floor um is

[25:50] basically just an office building. It's

[25:53] it sits on top of the the secure jail.

[25:56] It's the sheriff's office. It's

[25:57] everything that under the sheriff's

[26:00] office uh operation is housed here. So,

[26:03] it's it's all of the the private

[26:05] offices, the business offices of of the

[26:08] sheriff along with conference rooms. But

[26:10] more importantly, it's where uh evidence is stored and processed and

[26:16] analyzed. There's typically a small

[26:18] crime lab in there. You have your

[26:20] patrol. You have deputies uh here to

[26:24] training areas both classroom type

[26:26] training but also physical training. Uh

[26:29] there's usually a gym space uh so that

[26:34] you know just with some weights and some

[26:35] cardio type stuff and a small locker

[26:37] room. The idea is is to have everything

[26:40] all contained in one area. It's quite

[26:43] common in these facilities if it's

[26:46] relevant to the local community to put

[26:50] either dispatch

[26:52] or and 911 in this building if you if

[26:55] it's not being held somewhere else or if

[26:56] you want to bring it into the jail, but

[26:58] also have space that's typically a large

[27:01] multi-purpose space that can be

[27:03] converted to a emergency operation

[27:05] center if you have a natural disaster or

[27:07] major situation going on, which creates

[27:09] a command center for the sheriff to

[27:11] operate from.

[27:12] Next slide, please.

[27:16] So, this is just a a 3D view of that

[27:18] second level, kind of showing how that

[27:20] works.

[27:21] Next slide.

[27:24] So, that was option A. Option B, um, one

[27:28] of the other things that we talked about

[27:30] was um, taking taking inmates to and

[27:34] from court. In a lot of cases, you can

[27:36] do it video. You can do video

[27:38] arraignment in certain cases, but

[27:39] sometimes they they do need to go before

[27:42] the judge. And again, transporting

[27:45] is it's done all the time, but if if

[27:48] there's a way that you don't have to

[27:49] take them out of the jail to get them to

[27:50] the court, that would be great. So what

[27:52] we're this concept basically shows a new

[27:55] courtroom building that has a a ground

[27:57] floor piece and a second floor piece

[27:59] that connects with the that would be

[28:02] adjacent to the sheriff's office that

[28:05] would create a physical connection

[28:07] between the the jail and the courts so

[28:10] that inmates would just be brought

[28:12] through the jail into a secure holding

[28:16] area so that they could then go before

[28:18] the judge and if they if they prevail

[28:21] failed, then they get to go out the

[28:22] front door. And if they don't, they go

[28:24] back in the door they came from. Um, but

[28:27] that's that's really the primary

[28:28] difference of this scheme here is to

[28:31] show uh, you know, a a court situation

[28:35] where we're trying to get the county

[28:37] attorneys, both courtrooms and all the

[28:40] associate spaces, but also on the top

[28:43] floor having having that adjacency so

[28:45] that there is direct communication

[28:47] between the county attorney and the

[28:49] sheriff's office. uh basically sharing

[28:52] same floor plan. So just facilitates

[28:55] that. Next slide please.

[29:00] And again this is the same diagram

[29:03] except for uh this quartz down on the

[29:06] bottom and then the quartz piece on the

[29:08] top go up and over be twice as big.

[29:12] Again, not a design yet. Just uh from a

[29:16] scale point of view, that's about how

[29:18] much square feet we're talking about.

[29:20] Next slide.

[29:23] Uh, next slide.

[29:26] Another 3D cut. This is that second

[29:28] floor showing the relationship between

[29:31] the courtroom of the sheriff's or the courthouse and attorney spaces and

[29:36] the and the sheriff's office space. Next

[29:38] slide.

[29:40] And next slide.

[29:43] Finally,

[29:45] um the the last version is uh if if the

[29:50] parking structure idea

[29:53] uh doesn't have doesn't have legs, if it

[29:55] doesn't go anywhere, the other option is

[29:58] to we looked at was okay, what does that mean? Now, so in this in

[30:03] this instance, we're taking the the same

[30:05] building basically the same footprint.

[30:07] We're flipping it and we're running it

[30:10] along 100 east here and then we're

[30:13] suggesting

[30:15] a new potential new corp

[30:18] is that touch screen.

[30:21] >> Yeah.

[30:22] Wow. Um

[30:25] we're suggesting a conceptual idea of a

[30:27] new courtroom here that would be

[30:30] connected to the jail. Um, and it you

[30:35] can see it's a much more compact

[30:37] relationship. Obviously, by not building

[30:40] a a parking garage, um, being if you

[30:43] talk total cost, it's it's clearly not

[30:46] the same because you're not building a

[30:47] parking garage. However, um, there's a

[30:51] great opportunity with with the idea of

[30:54] being able to activate the street and

[30:56] actually kind of put the jail or push it

[30:58] back into the block.

[31:01] uh both um for perception. Um it for

[31:07] perception

[31:09] concerns, if you want to call that, but

[31:11] it also uh some of the more secure

[31:13] functions uh can be more inboard and uh

[31:18] easily more easily um accessed and

[31:23] serviced by the sheriff's office. But

[31:25] there's a lot of configurations that can

[31:27] happen. And again, we're not in design

[31:28] yet. So, we're just really trying to

[31:30] establish that things fit. All right.

[31:33] So,

[31:36] shifting gears to the next slide,

[31:39] we wanted to talk about what this

[31:41] parking garage could be. Um, parking

[31:44] garages aren't typically known for their

[31:46] beauty. Um, they're very utilitarian.

[31:51] Um, however, there are ways um that we

[31:55] can incorporate some simple elements

[31:58] that not only are functional but also aesthetically pleasing. These

[32:04] are just some uh precedent image kind of

[32:07] uh inspirational ideas of uh some ways

[32:11] that folks have screened uh upper floor

[32:14] masses um to help with the look but also

[32:18] to provide some shading. Uh, next slide

[32:20] please.

[32:22] So, this is a rendering. Uh, can you

[32:25] maybe

[32:27] uh zoom out just a click if you would?

[32:30] So, this is a view from

[32:34] you're looking from the northwest corner

[32:37] to the southeast. You're across the

[32:39] street. You have 100 100 east and 100

[32:42] north. And the idea is is you have this

[32:46] all along the bottom of the parking

[32:48] garage is where you have that retail

[32:51] space. You would enter into the parking

[32:53] in back ramp up so that by the time you

[32:56] got to the other end, you're on the

[32:57] second level, but it creates a whole

[33:00] space underneath which could be um

[33:04] easily used for uh retail, commercial,

[33:09] uh professional spaces. And you can see

[33:12] this is just a very quick rendering idea

[33:14] that we came up with that by having a

[33:17] very transparent ground floor, it's very

[33:19] inviting, it's very active, um it would

[33:23] really activate the street and draw more

[33:24] attention. We're we're suggesting like a

[33:27] perforated

[33:29] uh Corten steel, which is that rusted

[33:32] looking steel um screening here. Not

[33:35] only because we're trying to screen the

[33:37] cars a little bit, but there's an

[33:38] opportunity here where you can do

[33:40] branding in in these panels where I we

[33:45] actually give them digital files and

[33:46] they'll they'll water jet holes in the

[33:50] panel so that if you wanted, you know,

[33:52] some sort of slogan about Moab or if you

[33:56] just wanted some imagery on that, you

[33:58] can you could dress it up or you can

[34:00] leave it alone. but it really also

[34:02] serves as a sun shade which you

[34:04] obviously need down here a good part of

[34:06] the year. And we're also suggesting that

[34:08] it might not be a bad idea on the top

[34:10] level to do a kind of a canopy cover

[34:14] over the cars and potentially you could

[34:15] even do solar on the top of that.

[34:18] Um I think that's it.

[34:23] Sorry that that was very longwinded. I

[34:25] apologize for uh if I ran a little long.

[34:29] Um, do I take questions now or should we

[34:33] >> Okay,

[34:34] >> so Marcus on financial next and then

[34:37] Mayor Winder and then a Q&A session

[34:39] through the three of them together.

[34:41] >> Thank you,

[34:47] » Wayne. I just sent you over a PDF

[34:49] version of the presentation if that's a

[34:51] little easier to

[34:52] >> Where's your glasses, Rob? Right. Thank

[34:54] you. Couldn't seem without my glasses.

[34:57] I'm with [laughter] you.

[34:59] While Quinn's getting that pulled up,

[35:01] just by introduction, Marcus Keller with

[35:03] Cruz and Associates. We're happy to be

[35:05] here. We're happy to discuss the Mass

[35:07] Fix Guideway sales tax levy. Uh, and uh,

[35:10] we'll go over a lot of the history

[35:12] there. A lot of this may be repeat

[35:13] information, so I apologize. I will try

[35:16] to move through it rather quickly to

[35:17] give Mike plenty of time to talk on his

[35:19] subject as well as to make sure we have

[35:22] plenty of time for a Q&A session. Um but

[35:25] we uh we think uh few little differences

[35:29] that have changed since the last time we

[35:30] presented. I think probably about a year

[35:32] or so ago since we first started these

[35:34] discussions but um yeah excited to be

[35:36] here and uh go over this because you

[35:39] know these are wonderful pictures and

[35:40] wonderful buildings but if we don't have

[35:42] a way to pay for it then uh it's just a

[35:44] lot of pretty artwork. So hopefully we

[35:46] can go over that today and uh give

[35:48] everyone the the answers that they're

[35:50] looking for here. So the fixed guideway

[35:53] sales tax or as we call it 2216

[35:56] throughout the presentation that's the

[35:58] section in code that it's related to is

[36:00] a sales tax that's been around for a

[36:02] long time but um if we go to the next

[36:05] slide it was a tax that was changed uh

[36:08] in 2024 to help with this exact issue.

[36:12] So for many years uh smaller counties

[36:14] across the state have tried to

[36:16] understand or try to figure out how they

[36:18] are going to pay for their largest

[36:20] capital expenditure which is when they

[36:23] have to either remodel or replace their

[36:25] jails. Um this will in most cases be the

[36:29] largest expenditure that Grand County

[36:31] ever has to figure out how to pay for I

[36:33] would imagine. And so what we did was we

[36:35] worked with the state legislature to

[36:37] help revise this section of code so that

[36:40] uh counties of the third through the

[36:41] sixth class could access this additional

[36:44] sales tax levy and to mandate that it

[36:46] had to be used for public safety. And in

[36:48] most cases they are being used for the

[36:51] replacement of their gels. As was

[36:53] mentioned Iron County recently did this

[36:56] I want to say about a year and a half

[36:57] ago, two years ago to replace their gel

[37:00] and that was a very large project.

[37:02] again, the largest project Iron County

[37:04] will ever have to pay for. But because

[37:06] of this sales tax, they were able to

[37:08] afford that and then move forward with

[37:10] that new construction and avoid a lot of

[37:12] the issues that come from an old jail

[37:15] that I won't get into right now. But um

[37:17] so we've updated the code and so this is

[37:20] the option and in my opinion the best

[37:23] option at least for the taxpayers of

[37:25] Grand County. And I'll go into those

[37:27] details on why I believe that's the

[37:29] case. But so we'll refer to this as uh

[37:32] sales tax Q216 or the massix guideway

[37:36] sales tax or public safety sales tax. I

[37:38] hear I guess a lot of different words to

[37:40] describe it. Uh next slide please.

[37:45] Perfect. So again that's just a little

[37:47] information um if anyone's ever curious

[37:49] on what this code would entail. So, one

[37:52] thing I do want to point out is this

[37:53] sales tax is for the 30%

[37:57] or just a little less than onethird of

[37:59] 1% that it would increase the county

[38:02] sales tax across the entire area. So,

[38:05] not just within unincorporated county,

[38:07] but both for incorporated um municipal

[38:10] as well as unincorporated county to draw

[38:12] on this sales tax. Again, it has to be

[38:14] used for public safety. So, this would

[38:16] be only and restricted to public safety.

[38:20] Could it be used for anything outside

[38:21] that definition? A lot of things we've

[38:23] seen it be used for is specifically for

[38:26] gel projects. Sometimes it's used for

[38:28] EMS. Sometimes it's used for things

[38:30] along that nature, but um typically

[38:32] we've seen counties with such a great

[38:34] capital being using it for their gel

[38:36] projects. And it isn't uh assessed on

[38:40] grocery food sales or unprepared food

[38:42] which again as a resident or as

[38:45] residents would probably like to know

[38:46] how this will affect them knowing that

[38:48] it's not going to affect them at the

[38:49] grocery store. One of the essential

[38:51] things that we wanted to make sure was

[38:53] included as part of this legislation. Uh

[38:55] next slide please.

[38:59] So, I went ahead and updated what the

[39:01] sales tax would look like for the county

[39:03] and across the area if this were to be

[39:06] included. So, if you look the MF or the

[39:09] Mass Fix Guideways, what that stands for

[39:11] is the section highlighted there at that

[39:14] point 30. And then at the very far end

[39:17] would be the total sales tax levy for

[39:20] all parts of the county um if this were

[39:23] to be enacted. So you could see all the

[39:25] different sales tax levies that are

[39:27] currently within the county boundaries.

[39:30] Uh next slide please.

[39:33] This is what it would look like if in

[39:35] acted. It would increase it to 7.65%

[39:38] and this across the state shows you what

[39:41] uh nearly every county that has the mass

[39:44] additional mass transit or the fixed

[39:47] guideway tax. Um state law doesn't allow

[39:49] you to have both. It's an either or. And

[39:52] so this is the comparable counties uh

[39:55] across the state that have one or the

[39:57] other of these levies u included within

[39:59] their sales tax. And then Grand County

[40:02] being at the top there with the

[40:03] asterisk.

[40:05] Uh next slide.

[40:09] This is why a slide I included from my

[40:12] prior presentation, but I thought it was

[40:13] important to see uh the growth of

[40:16] taxable sales in Grand County. Uh why I

[40:19] say that it will be less impactful to

[40:21] the taxpayers even though you would pay

[40:23] this as you go out to restaurants and

[40:25] different things is Grand County is uh

[40:27] in a lot of ways what we refer to as a

[40:29] destination area. Um so a lot of people

[40:32] are coming from outside Grand County to

[40:34] visit it and use your hotels, your

[40:36] restaurants, other services that they

[40:38] would be contributing to your taxable

[40:40] sales or your sales tax. And so this is

[40:43] the alternative of what we've seen being

[40:46] proposed to fund jails, which is

[40:47] property tax, where a 100% of that

[40:50] burden falls onto the shoulders of the

[40:52] taxpayers within Grand County. So we

[40:54] feel like this option with the sales tax

[40:56] gets split not only between the

[40:58] residents of Grand County, but those

[41:00] that get to enjoy all the benefits of

[41:01] Grand County uh and get to to uh use all

[41:06] these different facilities. Hopefully

[41:08] not the jail facility, but suppose

[41:10] that's what it's here for. So anyway, so

[41:12] I just wanted to really emphasize that

[41:14] as your taxable sales grow and as you

[41:16] grow as a county, this levy will

[41:18] continue to produce additional revenue,

[41:20] which is important because it'll produce

[41:22] revenue that continues to be dedicated

[41:24] and restricted for public safety. So,

[41:27] the hope is that as this uh sales tax

[41:29] levy is put into place that your public

[41:32] safety line items here at the county

[41:34] will hopefully be taken care of for the

[41:36] foreseeable future, particularly with

[41:38] the financing of your large capital

[41:40] infrastructure needs. Uh, next slide,

[41:42] please.

[41:45] Uh this is a outline we put together to

[41:48] show you what your uh revenues would

[41:50] have looked like and are projected to

[41:51] look like uh using uh conservative

[41:54] estimates based off historical

[41:56] collections within your taxable sales.

[41:58] So if the county had adopted this in

[42:00] 2024, we would have collected an

[42:02] additional 1.9 million. In 25 just over

[42:06] 2 million and then in 2026 we would

[42:08] estimate it would still be roughly in

[42:10] that same range, maybe a 2% increase.

[42:12] And then if you go down to the green, if

[42:15] this is were to be activated within this

[42:17] calendar year, we anticipate that full

[42:19] collections would start at the beginning

[42:20] of next calendar year. So January of

[42:22] 2027 and these are the revenue

[42:25] projections we would show uh to be start

[42:28] to be collected as that tax is in place

[42:31] as well as taxable sales increase

[42:33] slightly. I think this is actually a

[42:35] very conservative estimate. Um it could

[42:37] potentially be much higher. Uh, a lot of

[42:39] this is based off economic factors that

[42:41] we don't have any control over, but at

[42:44] the end of the day, we like to use

[42:45] conservative estimates to not over

[42:47] project or overpromise. But this is a I

[42:50] think a helpful slide to show those

[42:51] additional revenues coming into the

[42:53] county. Uh, next slide.

[42:58] Uh, coverage projections. So, as we've

[43:00] looked at different jail projects and

[43:02] different financing models here, we we

[43:04] have to figure out a way to pay for it.

[43:06] Our goal would be to use only the 2216

[43:09] to help pay for that jail or to pay for

[43:11] the entirety of that project. And so as

[43:14] we're putting together coverage to help

[43:15] with the ratings and interest rates to get the county as best credit as

[43:20] possible, if you notice on that second

[43:22] to last column on the right, the STB

[43:24] 2027 debt service, which stands for

[43:27] sales tax revenue bonds, that's what

[43:29] we're projecting the debt service to be

[43:30] based off our numbers and estimates that

[43:32] we'll go over shortly. So, as you

[43:34] notice, we're only running this at a max

[43:36] of 1.9 um to be very conservative with

[43:40] the estimates and to also maintain good

[43:42] coverage and to not overburden the

[43:44] county. So, again, our main goal is to

[43:46] find you the most efficient and cheapest

[43:48] form of financing if you were to move

[43:51] forward with this sales tax, but most

[43:52] importantly, never to put the county in

[43:54] a situation where they don't they're

[43:56] spending funds that they do not have.

[43:58] And so, that's why our projections are

[44:00] based off this currently.

[44:03] Uh, next slide.

[44:06] Uh, just to kind of put it into

[44:07] perspective what that would look like

[44:09] for taxpayers if this same 1.9 million

[44:11] of revenue were to be done as a property

[44:13] tax increase. Uh, it would be roughly a

[44:16] 28.62%

[44:18] change within the levy itself. Or on a

[44:21] $450,000 primary residential home, it

[44:24] would increase it by about $120 a year.

[44:27] are on that same uh value for b business

[44:30] $219 a year to generate those same

[44:33] amounts of revenues. I thought that's

[44:35] important because again as it was

[44:37] mentioned earlier jails have to be

[44:39] maintained. They have to be upkept by

[44:41] the county per the Utah state

[44:42] constitution. The only other form of

[44:45] financing really available to counties

[44:47] is property tax. And so we don't want

[44:50] this. I don't think taxpayers typically

[44:52] want this scenario. And so sales tax, as

[44:55] mentioned earlier, in my opinion, is is

[44:57] the best way to share that burden with

[44:59] people that live outside of Graham

[45:01] County as well and get to come and visit

[45:03] it. So just thought that would be an

[45:05] interesting slide to to bring up as

[45:07] well. Uh next slide, please.

[45:10] Um so currently right now, uh for the

[45:13] next slide, we're we're running

[45:14] scenarios based off a sheriff's complex

[45:16] and courts and county attorney offices.

[45:18] uh based off estimates we've been given,

[45:20] it's in that $30 million range. So, if

[45:24] we go down to the next slide, I believe

[45:26] we should have a uh let's go down one

[45:29] more, sorry, we should have a summary.

[45:32] So based off that $ 1.9 million debt

[45:35] service and based off different bonding

[45:37] or financing scenarios we're running,

[45:39] we're showing that the county could

[45:41] generate depending on and again these

[45:43] are hypotheticals or scenarios that we

[45:46] have based off current market

[45:47] conditions. We're showing that the

[45:49] county could raise just based off the

[45:51] 2216 sales tax roughly $29.6 million to

[45:56] we'll say $31.5 million just based off

[45:59] current estimates. If we could ever get

[46:02] interest rates to start coming back

[46:03] down, those numbers would improve uh and

[46:06] go up slightly, but that 1.9 million

[46:08] would remain the same. Again, our

[46:10] biggest concern is making sure we do not

[46:12] overburden the county. So, anyway, so

[46:15] that does put it in line with the

[46:17] numbers that we've seen from the Babcock

[46:19] team on projected dollar amounts to be

[46:22] able to afford this jail project. It may

[46:24] not afford everything, all the projects

[46:26] that are discussed tonight, but it's the

[46:28] essential ones, which I think is the

[46:30] most important ones. And so, anyways, uh

[46:33] I I just wanted to end with that. I

[46:35] don't believe I have any more slides,

[46:37] Quinn, unless there's just Okay,

[46:40] disclosures, all the fun lawyer stuff.

[46:42] So, anyways, I'll go ahead and stop

[46:43] there. I know I've taken too much time,

[46:45] but uh I'll go ahead and sit down and uh

[46:47] let turn it over to Mike and wait for

[46:49] any questions.

[46:56] All right. We have with us Mike Winder

[46:59] from

[47:01] um back Mil Creek.

[47:04] >> Mil Creek. Yep.

[47:05] >> Yeah. So, he's here to talk to us about

[47:07] some unique financing they did up in Mil

[47:10] Creek.

[47:11] >> Thank you. Great to be before the the

[47:13] Grand County Commission. I apologize I'm

[47:15] not there in person. Uh busy schedules

[47:17] up here in Mil Creek. I appreciate uh

[47:19] being introduced earlier on the agenda

[47:21] as mayor. I used to be the mayor of West

[47:23] Valley City. Some of you remember when I

[47:25] was in the state legislature and

[47:26] currently I' I've gone to the dark side,

[47:28] the light side, depending on how you

[47:30] call it, the staff side as as city

[47:32] manager here in Mil Creek. But we've

[47:34] done some amazing things with our city

[47:35] center here at Mil Creek Common. And so

[47:38] I've been asked to just take 10 minutes

[47:39] and share what we've done. Um so maybe

[47:42] this is inspirational or or

[47:44] perspirational. I'm not sure which. So

[47:46] let me share my screen here.

[47:48] The host has disabled participant screen

[47:50] sharing. Is there any way I can

[47:53] >> Oh, here we go. Okay, now I'm now I'm

[47:55] in.

[47:58] All right. And I'm going to go rapid

[48:00] fire, you guys, just to

[48:03] uh just to give you a taste. So, Mil

[48:06] Creek is we're in the east bench of Salt

[48:09] Lake City, Salt Lake County, just south

[48:11] of Salt Lake City. We have Olympus Cove

[48:13] all the way to the Jordan Rivers. You

[48:15] can see our neighbors, South Salt Lake,

[48:16] Holiday, Murray, even Taylor'sville and

[48:18] West Valley. Our main city center when

[48:21] we incorporated looked like this. You

[48:23] had some vacant buildings, an auto

[48:25] repair shop. This is, for those of you

[48:26] who may know, 33rd South, Highland

[48:28] Drive, and 13th East, just east of the

[48:31] Brickyard. After a few years at it, it's

[48:33] now transformed to look like this. And

[48:36] we're really excited with our city

[48:38] center efforts, and there may be some

[48:40] lessons here that can help Grand County

[48:42] as well. Um, so we we master planned

[48:45] this so it's centered around a common

[48:46] open space that we call Mil Creek Common

[48:49] and we've entitled over 1,800

[48:51] residential units, nearly 300,000 square

[48:53] ft of commercial. Uh, we have parking in

[48:56] here and numerous events programmed all

[48:58] throughout the year. Urban living is

[49:00] important. Uh, it's important to have

[49:02] people that live there and work there.

[49:04] It's important to have daytime traffic

[49:06] and nighttime traffic, lunch for the

[49:08] restaurants and dinner as well. And so

[49:11] we we have worked to attract apartments

[49:12] and increasingly condominiums for

[49:14] ownership to this area. Uh for example,

[49:17] right next door is a lovely apartment

[49:19] building high-end that just opened uh

[49:22] earlier this month where uh we have

[49:24] ground flooror retail. Now what's

[49:26] special about this one is they're

[49:27] sharing a parking garage with city hall.

[49:29] You can see that behind the swimming

[49:30] pool there and I'll I'll touch on that

[49:33] here in a moment. So Mil Creek Common is

[49:36] winter fun, largest outdoor ice in Utah.

[49:38] It's ice skating in the winter and it's

[49:40] roller skating in the summer. We also

[49:42] have a splash pad there. We have a

[49:44] climbing wall on the side of Mil Creek

[49:45] City Hall, largest outdoor climbing wall

[49:47] in Utah. And again, we have numerous

[49:49] events there throughout the year. So,

[49:51] first of all, what paid for Mil Creek

[49:53] Common? We formed a community

[49:55] reinvestment area. You're familiar, of

[49:56] course, with CRAAS and RDAs. We did a

[49:59] $20 million uh bond. It was sales tax

[50:03] backed because that's how you get the

[50:05] lowest interest rate. But our internal

[50:06] repayment is from the tax increment from

[50:09] that community reinvestment area. All

[50:11] these developers coming in to build

[50:12] office buildings and apartments say

[50:14] you're a CRA. Can I have some tax

[50:16] increment financing? And on all them

[50:18] we've said, "Nope. All the tiff is going

[50:20] towards paying back that bond, but you

[50:22] still want to come anyway because of

[50:23] this amazing public infrastructure." We

[50:26] were also able to get some grant support

[50:28] during CO and a half million dollar Utah

[50:30] outdoor recreation grant to pay for the

[50:31] skate loop. U the Salt Lake Tribune last

[50:34] year said, "Is this Utah's coolest city

[50:36] hall?" And we're biased, of course, we

[50:38] think it is, but it is fun to have a

[50:40] public market on the ground floor and to

[50:42] have a reception center, the Grand View

[50:44] on the sixth floor and to have farmers

[50:46] markets and different events going on.

[50:48] When we built this, the public didn't

[50:50] squawk and say, "This is a Taj Mahal for

[50:52] planners." They said, "Wow, there's

[50:54] actually something in it for us, a true

[50:56] community center." Uh, so what paid for

[50:58] city hall? We did a $39 million bond.

[51:02] And in this case, it's our interest. The

[51:04] good news is we have a pretty low

[51:06] interest rate because of when we did it.

[51:08] But our residents agreed that we're

[51:10] better to own than to rent. Before we

[51:12] were in a strip mall, an old uh we call

[51:15] it the city hall dollar because it's an

[51:17] old Dollar Tree. But now we actually own

[51:19] our building. So that's fun. We did get

[51:21] an outdoor recreation grant for the

[51:22] climbing wall and from Rocky Mountain

[51:24] Power Blue Sky grant for solar panels on

[51:26] the roof and those account for about 20

[51:29] to 25% of our electrical needs which are

[51:31] good and again co era money was always

[51:34] helpful as well. Uh the best is yet to

[51:36] come from Mil Creek Common. We just

[51:39] north of City Hall we have phase two

[51:40] under construction which in includes uh

[51:44] more green space, open space. Phase one

[51:46] is more the European hardscape, the town

[51:49] square, the plaza. Phase two is a lot

[51:51] lusher and greener, 138 trees, including

[51:54] a lot of aspens. It includes a mini golf

[51:56] course, uh the only mini golf course in

[51:59] the northern half of Salt Lake County.

[52:01] We're already paying people to manage a

[52:03] climbing wall and do the roller skates,

[52:04] so why not mini golf, too? Uh the holes

[52:07] are inspired by natural wonders, even

[52:09] Delicate Arch, uh the Bonavville Salt

[52:11] Flats, Little Sahara, and more. Uh, we

[52:14] have a skate canyon. We're the largest

[52:15] city in Utah without a skate park, but

[52:17] that will soon be remedied.

[52:19] We have this cool building called the

[52:21] treehouse in the middle. It's kind of a

[52:22] hangout space, restrooms, and storage.

[52:25] Uh, we have a splash creek. Our splash

[52:27] pads are very popular. So, to have a

[52:29] creek for the little kids to splash in,

[52:31] [snorts] we're super excited about with shade structures we've learned is

[52:34] important. And then, I love this one,

[52:36] our Milo the Moose play structure. Milo

[52:39] is our city mascot. And so, we have a

[52:41] moose play structure. And you can see

[52:43] you can climb up in them. There's a

[52:44] slide. There's areas to play on the

[52:46] outside. And phase two we paid for with

[52:49] cash. We received a million and a half

[52:51] tourism, recreation, culture grant from

[52:53] Salt Lake County. We did kick in a chunk

[52:56] from our general funds and park impact

[52:58] fees. We did get some of that COVID

[53:00] money, but also a million dollars Utah

[53:01] outdoor wreck. And then we worked with

[53:03] our federal lobbyists to get two and a

[53:05] half million from the National Park

[53:07] Service in a landwater conservation

[53:09] fund. So, it was truly a collaboration

[53:11] of city, county, state, and federal

[53:14] money to make phase 2 happen. Um, the

[53:17] next thing we're working on is East of

[53:19] the Common. We've relocated an art

[53:21] gallery and we're moving a gym over. Uh,

[53:24] the gym is being refurbished right now,

[53:26] the new gym building, and we're

[53:28] replacing that with a Hyatt Studios on

[53:30] the corner. We're the largest city in

[53:32] Utah without a hotel. We'll have a

[53:35] parking structure and then a retail

[53:36] condo building that's six stories. Then

[53:39] we'll bring the fine art in gallery back

[53:41] to the ground floor and we'll have the

[53:43] retail. Now, as as a city, we are the

[53:46] landlord of this future bookstore,

[53:48] coffee shop, and restaurant. And in city

[53:50] hall, we're currently the landlord of a

[53:52] pizza shop, a place called Noodle Head,

[53:55] and a Thirst. And for us, it's important

[53:58] to retain control because the last thing

[54:00] we wanted on our town square was an

[54:02] accountant's office that closes at 4

[54:04] p.m. We want to be activating that

[54:06] space, that shop utanement, if you will,

[54:09] is just important for us as a splash

[54:11] pad. Uh, so you can see the ground floor

[54:13] retail and the condos coming in. And so

[54:16] that'll be a nice development, too, that

[54:18] we're hoping to break ground on here in

[54:20] October. So, a lot of exciting things

[54:22] happening in Mil Creek Common. Uh,

[54:24] what's paying for East Common? We did do

[54:26] another bond with our AAA bond rating,

[54:28] but we are selling land to private

[54:30] developers for the hotel, for the

[54:32] condos, and then renting to them parking

[54:35] stalls. So, we can build a parking

[54:38] garage cheaper than they can. We can

[54:39] finance it certainly cheaper than they

[54:41] can. And by renting back to them, that

[54:43] helps their performer, but it gives us

[54:45] the mechanism to pay it back along with

[54:48] the the retail rents. Um, so eventually

[54:51] we're looking at doing some condos on

[54:53] the north side of Mil Creek Common, but

[54:55] the groundbreaking of that won't be till

[54:57] 2028. So, uh, those will be owner

[55:00] occupied condos. We're trying to have a

[55:02] nice mix of apartments, condos, and

[55:06] hotels. So, different uses in there. Uh,

[55:09] this is what chat GPT says will be the

[55:11] lovely people that will move into our

[55:12] condos when we're [laughter] done.

[55:14] Um, Mayor Jackson says the marine vet

[55:17] would should have a dog instead of a

[55:18] cat, but who am I to argue with AI,

[55:20] right? Anyway, so when it's all done,

[55:22] this is kind of what our town square

[55:23] will look like. You have the city hall

[55:25] with the climbing wall. You have a

[55:26] variety of ground flooror retail and

[55:28] residential units and that kind of this

[55:30] town square that brings everybody

[55:32] together. Um, there's kind of the look

[55:34] from phase two. So, I know that's kind

[55:36] of the the rapid fire

[55:39] um

[55:41] version of what's happening in Mil Creek

[55:42] Common. You guys did talk about parking

[55:44] structure. So, I'll just add one PS. The

[55:47] parking structure we built next door

[55:49] with the Westerly Apartments. Um, we

[55:52] didn't traffic. We looked at what the

[55:54] code would require them to do if they

[55:56] had to build their own parking. We

[55:58] looked at what we would do if we had to

[56:00] build our own parking for our city hall.

[56:01] And then we had a parking study look at

[56:03] if you did a shared parking analysis and

[56:06] you made that vin diagram, if you will,

[56:08] uh, where you can overlap what it does.

[56:10] And what it does is it reduced the

[56:12] number of of parking stalls required

[56:15] dramatically. And when parking stalls

[56:17] are 35 to 40k per stall, that's a big

[56:20] that saved them millions and us

[56:22] millions. We ended up paying 40% of the

[56:24] parking garage. They paid 60%. Um it

[56:27] literally just opened a few weeks ago

[56:29] and we're super excited about that

[56:31] public private partnership because it

[56:32] saved them money and us money. So, I

[56:35] know I just threw a lot out there, but

[56:37] uh in the Q&A, you can maybe pepper some

[56:39] more if you want to dig deeper, see how

[56:41] some of these things may apply to some

[56:42] of the projects you're considering there

[56:44] in Moab there in Grand County.

[56:48] >> Thank you. I think that's exciting to

[56:49] see what's happening around the state. I

[56:50] think Jacques has a question.

[56:52] >> No, I'm I'm good.

[56:54] Yeah, very sharing that. Very

[56:56] impressive. Thanks.

[56:58] >> Okay. Do we want to open it up to any

[57:00] questions for any one of them?

[57:05] Go ahead, Mary. Yes. Um, when you were

[57:07] talking about the sales tax, there's it

[57:09] doesn't have tax on gas as well,

[57:11] correct?

[57:12] >> Uh, I don't believe so. We looked into

[57:14] that and [clears throat] we're 99% sure

[57:17] that's correct. It's not on the gas or

[57:19] the unprepared food. So,

[57:20] >> I understood. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Or

[57:23] commissioner.

[57:25] >> M. [laughter]

[57:27] Oh, whoops.

[57:30] Sorry, Trish.

[57:34] » Oh, Trish, go ahead. Sorry.

[57:36] >> He's online.

[57:38] >> I didn't hear. Were you guys Were you

[57:39] guys making fun of me? And that's okay

[57:41] if you were.

[57:42] >> No, we were making sure we had our

[57:44] microphones. I apologize.

[57:45] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, that's okay. I can

[57:47] hear I I can hear you fine. Um I guess

[57:50] this is more for Jameson to speak to.

[57:52] I'd just like him to speak to um how

[57:55] many state inmates we currently house,

[57:57] how many we could house, and what that

[57:59] might mean for um just revenue that it

[58:03] brings into the county as far as the

[58:05] sheriff's department. I think it'd be

[58:07] great for just um all of the

[58:09] commissioners commissioners to

[58:11] understand that.

[58:13] >> Jameson, you want to come up to the

[58:14] table or to the podium? Either one.

[58:19] >> And did you hear my question or

[58:20] comments? Okay, thanks Jim.

[58:23] >> So, we house roughly seven to eight

[58:26] state inmates right now. They generate

[58:28] about $85, don't quote me on that, per

[58:31] day. The idea is obviously to increase

[58:34] the bed population, bring on more state

[58:37] inmates than it generates revenue. Uh

[58:41] like our neighboring county, San Juan

[58:43] County Sheriff's Office, they're

[58:44] doubling their bed population to do the

[58:47] same thing. Um,

[58:50] Iron County is doing that. And then the

[58:52] idea is is, you know, as Moab and Grant

[58:54] County continues to grow, if you need

[58:55] bed space, you give some state back.

[58:58] >> You have more programming for state

[58:59] inmates, then that the increases. It

[59:02] could go up to upwards of $100 a day per

[59:04] state inmate. But just by housing the

[59:07] seven inmates currently from the state

[59:09] of Utah, it pays for the entire food

[59:11] bill for the county. Um, it doesn't cost

[59:14] us anymore to have our lights on, but it

[59:16] generates revenue.

[59:20] » And then Jameson, if I'm correct, oh,

[59:22] sorry about that. I just jumped back in.

[59:25] >> Um, if if I'm correct, your state

[59:27] inmates also um do a number of jobs in

[59:30] the jails and outside the jail.

[59:33] >> Yeah, correct. Because we have a hard

[59:34] time hiring and maintaining staff. Uh,

[59:38] and so we had an assistant position for

[59:41] the kitchen. we can never keep staffed.

[59:43] And so those state inmates work is they cook the food, they uh clean the

[59:48] hallways, um they do the laundry. We

[59:51] also have them working out at OSA now,

[59:54] helping OSA um take care of the grounds.

[59:57] We have them on side of the highways

[59:59] helping pick up trash. They clean our

[1:00:01] vehicles at the sheriff's office. So

[1:00:04] kind of they do a lot but a lot of

[1:00:07] county jails have programming like

[1:00:09] Garfield County Sheriff's Office has

[1:00:12] embroidering work. We buy a lot of our

[1:00:14] stuff from Garfield County actually do

[1:00:17] the embroidering presses on the clothes.

[1:00:25] » I would entertain any any questions from

[1:00:28] the audience. Does anyone in the

[1:00:29] audience have any questions? Go ahead.

[1:00:32] And if you want to come up here so

[1:00:33] you're heard.

[1:00:35] >> I just have a like a click

[1:00:37] clarification question. I guess Jameson

[1:00:41] um can you help me understand if if if

[1:00:45] someone is placed in jail that I from my

[1:00:49] understanding I thought they were

[1:00:50] waiting for

[1:00:51] >> you want to come. Oh yeah.

[1:00:55] So if someone is um in jail, they're waiting for trial, right? Like

[1:01:01] it's an in between sure place, right?

[1:01:04] And so are we housing people that have

[1:01:07] already been convicted now?

[1:01:10] >> There's two things happening. We have

[1:01:11] county sentenced inmates that have been

[1:01:13] sentenced. They're in a different pod in

[1:01:15] our jail that have to do save six months

[1:01:18] for their sentence. They're going to be

[1:01:20] inside of our jail. And then we also

[1:01:21] have uh seven state inmates from the

[1:01:23] state of Utah that had been sentenced to

[1:01:25] prison, but the prisons decided to build

[1:01:28] a new prison smaller than the old one

[1:01:29] and they're out of space. So they're

[1:01:31] contracting with county jails to see if

[1:01:33] they'll take on inmates.

[1:01:34] >> So would we, if this were to this, would

[1:01:37] we now it would be considered a prison

[1:01:40] and not jail at that point?

[1:01:42] >> No.

[1:01:42] >> Right. So, so we're we're a county

[1:01:45] facility. So, anyone that's sentenced on

[1:01:47] a misdemeanor and sometimes on felonies

[1:01:50] will will have jail stay within the

[1:01:52] county facility. It's capped out at one

[1:01:54] year. So, an individual if they do,

[1:01:56] let's say, seven misdemeanor, the max

[1:01:59] they're going to do is about a year in

[1:02:00] jail. If they get sent to prison on a

[1:02:02] felony charge, then they're going to be

[1:02:04] sent normally sent out to the state

[1:02:06] prison. They'll do an orientation month

[1:02:10] or so. It's it's a little bit longer and

[1:02:12] Chief Bell or the sheriff can correct me

[1:02:14] on the length of time, but they do a

[1:02:15] they do an orientation stage and then

[1:02:18] some members of that population that are

[1:02:20] inmates, usually SOS is what they call

[1:02:23] them, sex offenders, oftent times will

[1:02:25] get um flagged or identified for

[1:02:28] potentially being able to be sent out to

[1:02:31] local jails because of the uh inherent

[1:02:33] rate risk and danger of certain

[1:02:35] positions. And so those individuals come

[1:02:38] and sheriff whenever you know, you think

[1:02:42] um some of those individuals will come

[1:02:43] down and then take on like work

[1:02:45] positions and help out. Um and so that's kind of how we do it as a mix. So

[1:02:50] in our population, you'll have those

[1:02:52] that are post sentencing on county

[1:02:53] charges, theoretically folks from the

[1:02:55] state inmate, and then people that are

[1:02:56] waiting for the adjudication or the

[1:02:58] resolution of their case as well.

[1:03:00] >> Okay. Then to follow up since I have

[1:03:02] your attention, what are the leg what's

[1:03:04] the legal how does it work when you have

[1:03:06] I'm going to say pedophiles um like a

[1:03:10] real close to a school like the

[1:03:11] monastery school being there.

[1:03:13] >> We don't we don't house any sex

[1:03:15] offenders.

[1:03:16] >> I mean like if this if we were to move

[1:03:18] you I know that he had mentioned that.

[1:03:20] So I guess that was just a an example.

[1:03:22] >> Different so a couple different

[1:03:23] questions. So you're are you talking

[1:03:25] about somebody that's released?

[1:03:26] >> No. Um no if they're that's my question.

[1:03:29] If they're if they're consider if

[1:03:30] they've been convicted, it's okay for

[1:03:32] them to be in a jail close to a school.

[1:03:35] That's fine, right?

[1:03:36] >> Yeah.

[1:03:37] >> Go ahead. I know that's a simple

[1:03:38] question. I just wanted to clarify that.

[1:03:41] >> Yeah. Just one other clarifying thing,

[1:03:43] too. And Sher can correct me on this if

[1:03:45] I'm wrong, but um any state inmates that

[1:03:48] are farmed out to county facilities,

[1:03:50] they're not released back into that

[1:03:52] camp. They they go back to to the prison

[1:03:54] for pre-release and and whatnot there.

[1:03:57] So, so just to clarify, I think um so, if this gets built as is, the the

[1:04:04] actual prison demographics will not be

[1:04:07] unchanged from what we have now.

[1:04:09] >> Correct. We won't be looking at any any

[1:04:11] type of new prisoners. It'll be the same

[1:04:13] people that we're already housing in our

[1:04:15] jail. It'll just be

[1:04:16] >> just depends on if we have if we have

[1:04:19] more room and we take on more

[1:04:21] programming, we can acquire different

[1:04:22] types of incentives.

[1:04:26] That's your question.

[1:04:27] >> I think so. James, yes.

[1:04:29] >> Mary,

[1:04:29] >> what do you mean? You've used the word

[1:04:31] programming and I'm not sure what you're

[1:04:35] referring to when you're saying

[1:04:36] programming.

[1:04:37] >> Programming such as uh take for example,

[1:04:41] sex offenders, licensed therapists,

[1:04:43] different types of classes to kind of

[1:04:45] get them rehabilitated to go back out

[1:04:46] when they are done completing their sentence. Other type of

[1:04:51] programming would include schools inside

[1:04:53] the the jails, uh finishing your GED,

[1:04:56] getting a degree, a college degree,

[1:05:00] welding classes. Those programming um is

[1:05:03] what I'm referring to. It's it's just an

[1:05:05] extra

[1:05:07] learning facility, learning.

[1:05:11] >> And typically the state, I believe, will

[1:05:13] pay more too if you offer those

[1:05:15] programs. So it's not like you're doing

[1:05:16] it at the expense of the taxpayer.

[1:05:18] you're doing it because the state's

[1:05:20] going to pay you a higher permium to be

[1:05:22] able to have that program in place

[1:05:24] versus uh not

[1:05:27] >> what I thought you meant, but I didn't

[1:05:28] want to walk away and not sure

[1:05:31] >> have my assumption wrong.

[1:05:33] >> And the idea too with is to design some

[1:05:36] overall space that we call programming

[1:05:38] space that can be really it's a lot of

[1:05:40] multi-purpose space. So it can be the

[1:05:43] same rooms or spaces can be used for

[1:05:46] multiple different types of functions.

[1:05:48] So, it gives the sheriff and the jail

[1:05:49] commander the ability to to kind of uh

[1:05:52] customize some of those programs, but

[1:05:54] it's everything from religious to

[1:05:55] education, vocational to therapeutic and

[1:05:58] so on. So,

[1:06:00] >> and I think it's important to think as

[1:06:02] we think about this that creates jobs.

[1:06:05] So, and they're jobs that are outside of

[1:06:06] our visitor economy. So, those are jobs

[1:06:08] we do 247 365 days a year as well. So,

[1:06:13] and then Trish has her hand up. Oh,

[1:06:16] >> listen to

[1:06:19] >> Are you ready for me to go, Mel?

[1:06:20] >> Yes. Go ahead, Trish.

[1:06:22] >> So, yeah, I'll just talk a little bit

[1:06:24] about my my work in the jails, but then

[1:06:27] I I also kind of want to ask Jameson a

[1:06:29] couple more questions. So, I've been

[1:06:31] working in the jails, I think, for

[1:06:32] almost about 20 years now. Um, p

[1:06:35] pertaining to just basic educational

[1:06:37] programming. But, you know, the county

[1:06:39] jail is extremely girdled as far as the

[1:06:41] facility and what it can provide. And so

[1:06:44] I I really think you could some of that

[1:06:46] program cram program programming could

[1:06:48] just explode. I mean right now we have a

[1:06:51] few um computer pla uh platforms that

[1:06:55] allow students some some opportunities.

[1:06:58] But I really think you you know but

[1:07:01] we're constantly like vying with whether

[1:07:03] it be court you know video court and or

[1:07:07] um religious programming to have enough

[1:07:09] space to to be able to for those

[1:07:12] students to get what they need. So I

[1:07:14] think an expanded space would do a

[1:07:16] tremendous amount for education and

[1:07:19] education reduces recidivism

[1:07:22] exponentially. And then lastly, Jameson,

[1:07:25] do you mind speaking to, you know, a few

[1:07:27] of the things that I've noticed when

[1:07:29] you're in there is, you know,

[1:07:30] unfortunately they the Grand County Jail

[1:07:33] houses people that are detoxing and so

[1:07:37] that is a huge

[1:07:39] burden on um you know, the officers in

[1:07:43] there. And then also individuals that

[1:07:46] are dealing with mental illness and

[1:07:48] sometimes they have to house individuals

[1:07:50] like that for extremely long periods of

[1:07:52] time because there's not another bed for

[1:07:56] them and other facilities. So Jameson, I

[1:07:57] don't know if you want to talk about

[1:07:58] that and what that layers on to the

[1:08:02] officers that are working within the

[1:08:03] jails.

[1:08:05] Yeah. So that that's another uh point of

[1:08:08] focus is we need more holding facilities

[1:08:11] uh prior to being placed in a general

[1:08:13] population. We're limited on the space

[1:08:16] for general or for our holding

[1:08:17] facilities. Uh when we experienced COVID

[1:08:21] that was a nightmare. We didn't have the space to segregate individuals uh

[1:08:27] for the two weeks prior to placing them

[1:08:29] into the pods. Uh we we also have no

[1:08:34] medical facility inside the jail. Um,

[1:08:38] most new jails, all new jails have

[1:08:40] medical wings inside the jail facility.

[1:08:42] So, when we have an issue, we typically

[1:08:44] have to transport them to MRH uh for

[1:08:47] treatment.

[1:08:49] Um, but yeah, so we we we could

[1:08:52] definitely use the the holding

[1:08:54] facilities, the mental health thing.

[1:08:57] People often think jails are mental

[1:08:59] health facilities, which they're not.

[1:09:01] Um, and so when we have to house an

[1:09:05] inmate that has having mental health

[1:09:06] problems, they're in the same area as

[1:09:10] the other inmates that are currently

[1:09:12] waiting their assessment to go into

[1:09:14] general population.

[1:09:18] the behavioral mental health issues a

[1:09:20] major problem for law enforcement

[1:09:24] everywhere because unfortunately the

[1:09:26] county jails become the de facto mental

[1:09:29] health care provider because there's no

[1:09:31] other alternative and um we're starting

[1:09:34] to see more attention being paid to

[1:09:37] that. We just started working with Salt

[1:09:39] Lake County on a on an expansion study

[1:09:42] for them where having a behavioral

[1:09:45] mental health aspect where call it

[1:09:48] diversion where when somebody is brought

[1:09:50] in if they're uh mentally ill or they're

[1:09:56] detoxing they actually go to they're

[1:09:58] actually diverted to a different part of

[1:10:00] the jail that's not the actual jail um

[1:10:03] so that it can be determined what sort

[1:10:05] of help they

[1:10:07] that wasn't considered for this

[1:10:08] particular feasibility study, but what

[1:10:12] Sheriff Wick can just say is absolutely

[1:10:14] correct that um long-term solving that

[1:10:18] mental health um

[1:10:21] aspect is very important because it does create a very much a burden and

[1:10:26] it and it create also creates liability

[1:10:28] for the county too. Um, so being able to

[1:10:31] have a way to temporarily

[1:10:35] house and treat individuals that fit

[1:10:38] certain profiles like that could take a

[1:10:41] big burden off off every sheriff. Um, as

[1:10:45] well as um get the those people the

[1:10:48] proper help today.

[1:10:52] » Melissa, did you have a question? Will

[1:10:53] you come up to the post?

[1:10:54] >> Yeah, I was clarifying. Thank you.

[1:10:57] asked how many beds there were like 64.

[1:10:59] What's the occupancy rate if that's the

[1:11:01] right term, but like is there annual?

[1:11:04] >> So, it just depends on um we just

[1:11:06] recently added a pre-trial service

[1:11:09] deputy position that's 100% paid for by

[1:11:11] a grant. And what pre-trial does is it

[1:11:14] helps take the burden off of the the

[1:11:17] inmate population. Um and so right now I

[1:11:21] think we have 30 people inside of our

[1:11:23] jail. However, our pre-trial service

[1:11:25] deputy has about 30 something people on

[1:11:27] his plate. So, if we didn't have him

[1:11:30] your max capacity

[1:11:33] um and so we just were it sounds like we

[1:11:35] just got a uh another grant to pay for

[1:11:39] that position again. But if that money

[1:11:40] runs out, do we keep funding that

[1:11:43] position? What do we do? But it's hard

[1:11:45] to give you an exact number like where

[1:11:47] we typically stay at, but um usually

[1:11:50] around 40 to 30 to 40 people is what our

[1:11:55] current jail house is with the pre-trial

[1:11:57] service deputy

[1:11:59] >> plus state plus state.

[1:12:00] >> Uh no, that would include state.

[1:12:04] >> Commission,

[1:12:06] >> I've got some questions, but I'd like to

[1:12:08] follow up on that just a little bit. So,

[1:12:09] if you do have that block of rooms

[1:12:11] available, why aren't we looking to the

[1:12:13] state right now to fill those?

[1:12:15] >> Because you got to house the state

[1:12:16] inmates with state inmates. Um, so I

[1:12:20] don't want to put our state inmates in

[1:12:21] with our unsentenced county inmates.

[1:12:24] There's rules requirements from the

[1:12:26] state. We also have a little section for

[1:12:28] females. Uh, we don't want to put some

[1:12:30] of females obviously. Uh, our female pot

[1:12:34] is extremely tiny.

[1:12:37] typically out of space with the female

[1:12:39] pods. U but yeah, I mean if it was that

[1:12:43] easy, we would just already have state

[1:12:45] in land right now, but it's

[1:12:49] we don't have the space to house any

[1:12:50] state in our current road for the state

[1:12:53] inmates.

[1:12:55] >> Okay. And then my questions are along

[1:12:58] the line we've talked about programs um

[1:13:01] additional staff.

[1:13:05] Is there studies showing what the future

[1:13:08] costs of those are going to be on the

[1:13:09] county? Because as we're in the middle

[1:13:12] of a budget season right now, every time

[1:13:14] we add one more employee,

[1:13:16] we're we're building a bigger balloon

[1:13:18] here. And as we all are aware, we're

[1:13:20] coming out of a economic slump somewhat

[1:13:22] here. So looking at do we have plans for

[1:13:26] maybe a future impact study what this is

[1:13:29] actually going to cost the county

[1:13:31] outside of what we're bonding to build

[1:13:34] this unit.

[1:13:36] I think ultimately

[1:13:38] if you if you proceed with actual design

[1:13:41] and you start defining the parameters

[1:13:43] more specifically then it's much easier

[1:13:45] to answer that question because it's

[1:13:47] they're they're interrelated. The bed

[1:13:49] count's going to drive obviously

[1:13:50] staffing requirements um for the GL

[1:13:53] staff, but there may be other elements

[1:13:57] that could be incorporated with the

[1:13:59] facility. Dispatch 911 as as an example

[1:14:04] um that may have the opportunity to

[1:14:08] expand. So having that conversation once

[1:14:13] some of those parameters were more

[1:14:15] clearly defined would be um I mean

[1:14:18] that's that's typically what every every

[1:14:20] county does in parallel to doing these

[1:14:22] projects is as we go through the design

[1:14:25] process they're also evaluating what is

[1:14:28] the reality in terms of staffing costs

[1:14:32] and operational costs. I I would think

[1:14:35] that we need those operational costs

[1:14:37] before any decisions are made though.

[1:14:39] Correct. I mean, we we really can't just

[1:14:42] guess that we're going to be able to No.

[1:14:45] Yeah. And I'm not suggesting that you're

[1:14:46] guessing. Just suggesting that you u

[1:14:50] you're making decisions along the way.

[1:14:52] Like bed count for example.

[1:14:55] The concept that's been shown is 100.

[1:14:57] That's not the right amount. It might be

[1:15:00] less than that. There might also be

[1:15:02] could go in the other direction of well

[1:15:04] we really like the idea of bringing more

[1:15:07] contract inmates because like I said

[1:15:09] Beaver County is quite small. They have

[1:15:12] a [clears throat] 400 bed jail about 300

[1:15:15] of them are are state inmates and they

[1:15:18] generate roughly $8 million a year in

[1:15:21] revenue for Beaver County. Um that's a purposeful decision that was

[1:15:26] made by that county to make the

[1:15:30] investment in their jail to be able to

[1:15:32] enhance that and it obviously creates a whole completely different dynamic.

[1:15:37] the design decisions that are made along

[1:15:38] the way. You start with a big idea and

[1:15:41] as you as we go through the process,

[1:15:44] those things have to be defined fairly

[1:15:45] early in the process so that we're not

[1:15:48] chasing our tail design wise. But it's a dialogue that happens constantly

[1:15:53] between the design team and the county

[1:15:57] um as we're going through that process

[1:15:59] to be able to say, "Look, we'd love 200

[1:16:02] beds, but that's just not make sure we

[1:16:04] can only go 100 or 120, whatever that

[1:16:06] is." So, it's it's a little chicken and

[1:16:08] egg, but it it's not done in the dark or

[1:16:14] crossing our fingers and hoping it'll

[1:16:15] work out. It's very it's much more

[1:16:17] methodical than that.

[1:16:18] >> Go ahead.

[1:16:19] >> We we set the

[1:16:21] 120 bed count with the idea of not

[1:16:23] increasing any more jail staff. So, we

[1:16:25] think that we could take on 120 inmates

[1:16:27] without having to hire any more new

[1:16:28] deputies. And then past that, we'll have

[1:16:31] to hire more deputies. And that's what I

[1:16:34] noticed too. Going to that pod design

[1:16:36] seemed to be a very efficient design, at

[1:16:38] least with some of the other ones. So,

[1:16:40] it didn't seem to have a a huge labor

[1:16:42] increase or additional manpower increase

[1:16:45] or not as nearly as much as you'd think

[1:16:47] with the bed count going up

[1:16:49] significantly. And then also too, just

[1:16:51] as a reminder, when we're running those

[1:16:53] numbers and analysis for to pay for the

[1:16:55] debt service, we're being conservative

[1:16:58] by design because we want additional

[1:17:00] buffers from that 2216 potentially help

[1:17:03] offset if there is a surprise expense

[1:17:05] where additional employees needed to

[1:17:07] help reach that, you know, help that

[1:17:09] person. But also too, we're not

[1:17:11] including any of our analysis the

[1:17:13] additional revenues that could be

[1:17:15] generated by those beds. So just quick

[1:17:18] math here on my laptop, additional beds,

[1:17:21] 60 beds, 80 beds or $80 per DM if those

[1:17:24] were to be filled would be close to a

[1:17:26] million and a half over a million and a

[1:17:27] half dollars a year of additional

[1:17:29] revenue. Now we know it's not going to

[1:17:30] be 100% filled, right? Potentially, but

[1:17:33] that would be a significant portion of

[1:17:35] any manpower or other expenses that

[1:17:38] aren't being anticipated right now would

[1:17:40] flow into those revenues. And by design,

[1:17:42] we're not using those revenues because

[1:17:45] we know they're probably going to be

[1:17:46] needed in some way, shape, or form as

[1:17:48] that new facility comes online.

[1:17:50] >> Well, I have one last question and then

[1:17:52] I'll let it go to somebody else. But you

[1:17:54] talked about 8 million in revenue at

[1:17:56] Beaver County and now you're talking

[1:17:58] about revenue here, but that's not

[1:18:00] profit.

[1:18:02] >> Correct. That would be the perdm. And

[1:18:04] so,

[1:18:05] >> so, but we have costs out of that

[1:18:06] revenue,

[1:18:07] >> correct? It's not going to be straight

[1:18:09] net profit of $80 free and clear, but a

[1:18:12] lot of times from what we've seen, there

[1:18:14] is an economies of scale there. As the

[1:18:16] sheriff brought up, when the lights are

[1:18:18] on, the lights are on and whoever's in

[1:18:19] that pods using that, right? And so,

[1:18:22] yes, you won't be able to capture that

[1:18:24] full 80 as net profit, but the more

[1:18:27] inmates you have in within that pod, the

[1:18:30] more efficient you are. So it may not be

[1:18:32] a one one or close to that, but it's

[1:18:34] definitely going to be a lot more

[1:18:35] efficient as far as having 70 inmates

[1:18:38] versus 120. You're usually going to get

[1:18:40] a lot more of that revenue rate.

[1:18:43] >> The other thing to add with the state

[1:18:44] inmates, you don't pay for any of their

[1:18:46] medical costs. The state of Utah pays

[1:18:47] for that. All of our county inmates, the

[1:18:49] county facilitates paying medical costs

[1:18:52] while they're incarcerated.

[1:18:54] So state inmate needs something medical

[1:18:56] wise, the countyy's not on the hook for

[1:18:58] that. The state of Utah is paying for

[1:18:59] that. All

[1:19:00] right, I want to wrap this up in like

[1:19:02] three minutes, but I do see our gel

[1:19:03] commander Shan in the back. Do you have

[1:19:05] anything that you want to add to this

[1:19:06] conversation? We just listen. You

[1:19:08] >> guys have questions for me.

[1:19:10] >> Okay. I just wanted to check. Um, so I

[1:19:12] see I have Commissioner Mccertie and

[1:19:16] then I saw Jason Taylor, Councilman

[1:19:18] Taylor in the audience, too. So,

[1:19:20] >> oh, and Trish has her hand up. So, we'll

[1:19:22] go that way.

[1:19:23] >> I know when we're not able to use it for

[1:19:25] uh

[1:19:27] debt servicing. Uh well, we can use it

[1:19:28] for deer, but we can't use it to bond

[1:19:30] against. But, uh there's also a fee that

[1:19:33] goes with the courthouse.

[1:19:35] >> Uh there's also a fee that goes with

[1:19:38] I we uh we will need to uh

[1:19:44] there's not a fee that goes with it, but

[1:19:46] uh the courthouse pays us.

[1:19:49] >> Correct.

[1:19:49] >> Yeah. And and so all those things go

[1:19:52] into it. I think just I I wouldn't get

[1:19:54] so much in the weeds right now, but just

[1:19:56] know if you kind of imagine that the

[1:19:57] county has the pot of money, right? We

[1:19:59] just have to specifically identify which

[1:20:01] ones would be used for the financing.

[1:20:03] But internally, you know, that those

[1:20:06] monies can be shifted around between

[1:20:08] your sales tax and your other revenues.

[1:20:10] just bond holders when they purchase or

[1:20:12] invest in bonds, they want to know that

[1:20:14] there's a secure source of revenue like

[1:20:16] a 2216 that's associated with taxable

[1:20:19] sales and not necessarily associated

[1:20:21] with state contracts with inmates and so

[1:20:24] forth. So, we're again we're just

[1:20:26] looking for the avenue that's kind of a

[1:20:27] proven litmus test of what's going to

[1:20:29] get you the best bond rating to get you

[1:20:32] the lower lowest interest rates and then

[1:20:35] but internally as revenues flow in have

[1:20:37] a lot of discretion how that's moved

[1:20:39] around. So, as you're setting your

[1:20:41] budgets,

[1:20:43] >> Jason, do you want to come up and ask?

[1:20:48] » First of all, I want to say to um city

[1:20:50] manager Linder that he forgot the the

[1:20:52] real anchor of Milary Commons is

[1:20:54] Crownber.

[1:20:58] » You know, that's actually true. When we

[1:20:59] did like a community outreach and we did

[1:21:02] kind of like Soundcloud image things,

[1:21:04] Crownber was just huge. And so despite

[1:21:06] all the changes, you got to keep some of

[1:21:08] these great old businesses around.

[1:21:09] >> I And I want to say that I've been to

[1:21:11] Mil Creek Commons and it's a it's a

[1:21:12] beautiful it's an incredible place. And

[1:21:14] um so I wanted to see like what if you

[1:21:17] guys could draw the correlation between

[1:21:19] Mil Creek Commons and this public safety

[1:21:21] facility because to me they're two very

[1:21:23] different things. You know, Mil Creek

[1:21:24] Commons is place where people gather,

[1:21:26] where people hang out. You know, you

[1:21:27] guys have they have winter festivals.

[1:21:29] They have everything that we would want

[1:21:30] in Moab to have, you know, within our

[1:21:33] city center. And so I'm just having a

[1:21:35] hard time drawing that correlation

[1:21:36] between this um public safety building

[1:21:39] and and um and why we're being kind of

[1:21:43] talked to about it with the Mil Creek,

[1:21:45] you know, with Milreek comments stuff.

[1:21:47] So I wonder if someone can do that and

[1:21:48] show us.

[1:21:49] >> I I could take a shot at I mean

[1:21:51] >> yeah, you know, one of the I think one

[1:21:53] of the reasons I think the biggest

[1:21:55] parallel isn't necessarily that we're

[1:21:57] trying to

[1:22:00] go back up there. Hey Rob, maybe stand

[1:22:04] up here so folks online.

[1:22:06] >> That's great.

[1:22:07] >> Um

[1:22:08] I I think the parallel we're trying to show here isn't that we're we're

[1:22:14] talking about the same exact sort of

[1:22:16] program. Really, I think what uh the

[1:22:20] most important portrayal here is those

[1:22:22] first two slides Mike showed you. If if

[1:22:25] any of you remember what it used to look

[1:22:27] like uh north of 33rd in between

[1:22:29] Highland and 13th for the last as long

[1:22:33] as I can remember um until you got to

[1:22:35] like the Villa Theater, it was pretty it

[1:22:38] was very industrial and um the

[1:22:41] transformation that's happened uh has

[1:22:44] been phenomenal and there have been very

[1:22:46] purposeful choices made by Mil Creek

[1:22:48] City to do those the things that they

[1:22:49] have done. But I think what we're trying

[1:22:51] to suggest is um looking at when you

[1:22:55] look at the property, it's it's what

[1:22:58] could it be? And each community has its

[1:23:01] own needs and its own stairs. Mil Creek

[1:23:04] obviously is a fairly new city. Um and

[1:23:09] you know, I I I went to their old city

[1:23:11] hall and and it was it was in that strip

[1:23:14] mall that's over on the kitty corner

[1:23:16] from where it is now. you know, they've

[1:23:18] they needed to create a new identity,

[1:23:20] new city center, but to Mike's credit

[1:23:22] and the rest of the Mil Creek city.

[1:23:25] They've been very steadfast and worked

[1:23:28] very hard. They made it look like easy

[1:23:30] that it just kind of transformed

[1:23:32] overnight. It it was a lot of work and I admire Mike's energy. Um Mike's

[1:23:37] giving me a tour. Mike has way more

[1:23:39] energy than I do. Um which is good

[1:23:42] because the work they had to do to get

[1:23:44] where they got was very important. But I

[1:23:46] think what we're trying to show here is

[1:23:48] that the jail is is a clear and very

[1:23:51] important need. And by adding in this uh

[1:23:56] other component of a parking structure

[1:23:58] with a retail element, what we're trying

[1:24:00] to do is that kind of the city facing or

[1:24:03] the town facing

[1:24:05] takes on more of a public use and not

[1:24:08] only solves your public safety issue,

[1:24:11] but solves a real problem that that

[1:24:13] happens here in Moab.

[1:24:15] um with the parking situation, but it

[1:24:18] also creates more opportunities for

[1:24:21] interaction, more economic growth, and

[1:24:25] you know, we obviously gather no one's

[1:24:27] going to go down to the jail for the

[1:24:29] Super Bowl party, you know. Um, so

[1:24:32] they're they're really solving two

[1:24:34] different problems, but we saw an

[1:24:37] opportunity here with the configuration

[1:24:39] of the land and the size of the jail

[1:24:41] needs to be to meet needs of the sheriff

[1:24:44] that maybe we could do both things here.

[1:24:46] And like I mentioned before too, they're

[1:24:47] they are from a funding and and project

[1:24:51] point, they're two completely separate

[1:24:52] projects, but we like to think about

[1:24:55] things in their overall context rather

[1:24:58] than just on the site. So hopefully that

[1:25:00] answers your question.

[1:25:01] >> You know, I'll chime in too if I may

[1:25:03] because it's a great question. If

[1:25:05] anything else, I hope sharing our

[1:25:07] example in Mil Creek G help gives you a

[1:25:09] license to think big and to think dream

[1:25:12] to dream big and to think what if. Um I

[1:25:15] also would hope it gives you a license

[1:25:17] to maybe add some creative touches and

[1:25:19] to be a little whimsical and have a

[1:25:21] little fun with it. St. George City

[1:25:23] tooured our place and then later on

[1:25:25] ended up with their parking structure.

[1:25:27] They added some slippery slides in St.

[1:25:29] George coming down off their parking

[1:25:30] structure and it's awesome. Why not? And

[1:25:34] so there there's some unique interesting

[1:25:35] things I would say too with that ground

[1:25:37] flooror retail in your parking

[1:25:39] structure. Uh you're going to have

[1:25:40] people who are working at your county

[1:25:42] center. You're going to have people

[1:25:44] visiting at your county center. People

[1:25:46] will be utilizing that retail if it's

[1:25:48] there. And so I think looking for ways

[1:25:50] to mix the uses that maybe normally

[1:25:52] wouldn't be mixed is very smart of you

[1:25:54] all to be thinking about. And that level

[1:25:55] of creativity that you're being

[1:25:57] presented today, I think does have some

[1:25:59] good analoges.

[1:26:01] >> Thank you, Mike. You had your hand up,

[1:26:03] but you put it down. Are you good?

[1:26:06] >> Um, yeah. I just maybe just 30 seconds.

[1:26:08] I just want to state that, you know, we

[1:26:11] Sheriff Wiggins has done a tremendous

[1:26:12] job with the jails. Commander Hackwell

[1:26:15] is is just phenomenal in there. I've was

[1:26:18] I've been there long enough to have gone

[1:26:20] through a couple jail commanders and our corrections officers are just

[1:26:24] phenomenal. But I think to give them a

[1:26:27] facility where they are able to provide

[1:26:30] the services that they need to while at

[1:26:33] the same time reducing liability is is

[1:26:35] of utmost importance. And then gathering

[1:26:38] more state inmates is I think a great

[1:26:40] thing. It'll really bring in a lot of

[1:26:42] revenue that will help us run those

[1:26:44] facilities. So just my thoughts.

[1:26:46] >> All right. Thank you, Jock. Did you have

[1:26:48] one last comment?

[1:26:49] >> Yeah, I was just going to um uh and

[1:26:51] thanks for the for pointing uh things

[1:26:53] out, Jason, but just to maybe touch back

[1:26:56] on that and then I think Rob did a great

[1:26:57] job with that also is uh we we've been

[1:26:59] talking about a jail and needing needing

[1:27:01] new facilities and and since I was

[1:27:03] elected six years ago, also the sheriff

[1:27:05] um sheriff's office is outgrow that's the old library the sheriff's got

[1:27:08] half of and and we have we have

[1:27:11] facilities all over the county that are

[1:27:13] just kind of mish mash. Um, so this is a

[1:27:15] great opportunity to to kill a few birds

[1:27:18] with with one stone and also transform

[1:27:21] the city block. This county county

[1:27:23] mostly county block is if you go out and

[1:27:26] walk the streets, it's just kind of a

[1:27:27] mishmash of old buildings. The bus barn

[1:27:29] out there, it probably needs to be torn

[1:27:30] down. There's just um just a lot of

[1:27:32] different hodge podge construction. And

[1:27:34] this is a great um opportunity to kind

[1:27:37] of tie the whole thing together and give

[1:27:39] back something to Moab. I love the idea

[1:27:41] of some retail. We need we need

[1:27:42] commercials badly. We need parking

[1:27:44] badly. Um and and also Rob, you didn't

[1:27:47] give us the opportunity to uh to ask you

[1:27:49] for a climbing wall on that. So maybe

[1:27:52] next

[1:27:54] I'm going to wrap up this session so we

[1:27:56] can have a few minute break before our

[1:27:58] regular commission meeting. So thank you

[1:27:59] all for coming. We really appreciate it.

[1:28:02] And we're going to recess for five

[1:28:03] minutes and come back at 42

[1:28:07] for commission meeting. Thank you. Thank

[1:28:09] you.

[1:42:21] All

[1:42:33] right. I would like to call this regular

[1:42:35] commission meeting of the Grand County

[1:42:37] Commission to order at 4:12 on August

[1:42:41] 18th. And in attendance we have

[1:42:44] Commissioner Haden online, Commissioner

[1:42:47] Martinez online, Commissioner Hadler,

[1:42:50] Commissioner Man, Commissioner Mccertie,

[1:42:52] Commissioner Winfield, myself,

[1:42:54] Commissioner McCand as our county

[1:42:56] attorney Steven Stocks, administrator

[1:42:58] Mark Tiner, Chantel Lindsay as our

[1:43:02] finance director, and associate

[1:43:03] administrator Quinn Hall.

[1:43:06] And let's go ahead and stand for the

[1:43:07] pledge of allegiance.

[1:43:12] Pledge algiance to the flag of the

[1:43:14] United States of America to the republic

[1:43:17] for which it stands. One nation

[1:43:21] indivisible with liberty and justice for

[1:43:23] all.

[1:43:28] » Okay. And with that we will start. We

[1:43:30] have some department reports today and

[1:43:34] Kate Finley from our emergency

[1:43:36] management director is going to start us

[1:43:38] off.

[1:43:51] to share that screen.

[1:43:53] >> Yeah. Um Clint's in the back.

[1:44:02] You go.

[1:44:07] » Okay.

[1:44:09] All

[1:44:16] right, you should be good.

[1:44:29] Okay, good afternoon. There is a lot in

[1:44:31] this presentation, but in the interest

[1:44:33] of time, I am going to be summarizing

[1:44:35] and then hitting highlights as much as

[1:44:37] possible.

[1:44:40] One focus area for emergency management

[1:44:43] this year has been writing and updating

[1:44:45] plans. When I started, we had recently

[1:44:48] adopted our base emergency operation

[1:44:50] plan that outlines statutory authority

[1:44:52] during emergencies and base operations.

[1:44:55] It doesn't go in detail for specific

[1:44:58] situations. So, a lot of what you see

[1:45:00] here supplements that plan and gives

[1:45:02] specificity to a fairly scenarios might

[1:45:05] see ourselves in. The exception is that

[1:45:08] final bullet point, the community

[1:45:10] wildfire readiness plan, which was a

[1:45:12] required five-year rewrite for the

[1:45:14] state.

[1:45:20] Once you have your plans, you have to

[1:45:22] conduct exercises to train on and

[1:45:24] validate those plans. So, this year, I

[1:45:27] wrote and facilitated a wildfire

[1:45:29] evacuation tabletop and a flood

[1:45:31] tabletop. I'm also working with the

[1:45:33] school district on a couple of different

[1:45:35] school

[1:45:36] security exercises.

[1:45:41] In addition, there were a number of

[1:45:43] exercises I participated in locally with

[1:45:46] other agencies, private partners, and

[1:45:48] our healthcare preparedness coalition.

[1:45:56] Another focus area for the year has been

[1:45:59] executing on various grant projects. So

[1:46:02] as you can see it's combination of

[1:46:04] infrastructure and equipment focused on

[1:46:07] response as well as community

[1:46:08] resilience.

[1:46:18] Also been working on outreach. So this

[1:46:21] spring and summer, I've done a lot of

[1:46:23] fire and flood preparedness outreach in

[1:46:25] conjunction with the fire break

[1:46:26] campaign.

[1:46:28] I also recorded some monsoon season

[1:46:30] flood PFAS with the sheriff that are

[1:46:33] running on KZMU. If you've heard mine,

[1:46:36] I'm sorry. Sheriff did a much better job

[1:46:38] than I did.

[1:46:43] And then a couple of other projects that

[1:46:45] I just wanted to highlight. One is the

[1:46:47] flood warning system. So this is

[1:46:49] something that was requested by my

[1:46:51] predecessor through the division of

[1:46:53] emergency management's direct technical

[1:46:55] assistance program. I've been working

[1:46:57] over the last year with contractor to

[1:46:59] develop the warning dashboard that you

[1:47:02] can see on screen. So just kind of

[1:47:04] developing and then refining that

[1:47:06] project as we've gone through monsoon

[1:47:08] season.

[1:47:13] I've been part of an inter agency effort

[1:47:15] to develop sight specific signage at

[1:47:17] high flood risk trail heads around the

[1:47:19] county

[1:47:23] and I've been working on an EOC

[1:47:25] handbook. So what you're looking at is

[1:47:27] out of our base emergency operations

[1:47:29] plan. This is what it would look like if

[1:47:32] we had to stand up an emergency

[1:47:33] operations center to support an

[1:47:35] incident. So, if you look, there's an

[1:47:38] awful lot of positions on the screen.

[1:47:40] Um, I've been working to write either a

[1:47:44] binder with job aids or just a clipboard

[1:47:46] checklist so that every person who comes

[1:47:48] into the EOC and has to slot into this

[1:47:50] position maybe isn't familiar with what

[1:47:52] it is that they're doing, they have

[1:47:54] something to hold on to as a starting

[1:47:56] place.

[1:48:04] And then I've been working with the GIS

[1:48:06] specialist here at the county to create

[1:48:07] a situational awareness tool within our

[1:48:10] existing S3 subscription. Right now it's facing first responders, right?

[1:48:17] It's helping us understand spatially

[1:48:19] what's going on during an emergency. But

[1:48:22] as we continue to build this out, we can

[1:48:24] also make it public facing so that if we

[1:48:26] have impacted areas, evaporation zones,

[1:48:29] road closures, it's a way that we can

[1:48:31] communicate that with the public as

[1:48:32] well.

[1:48:36] Looking ahead to next year, if I had to

[1:48:38] pick a few things to focus on here, I've

[1:48:41] been working with other agencies to

[1:48:43] revive our community emergency response

[1:48:45] team. This is a team of citizen

[1:48:47] volunteers who help in the areas that

[1:48:49] they're in until first responders are

[1:48:51] able to arrive. So, sort of

[1:48:53] supplementing our first responder

[1:48:54] capability.

[1:48:56] Continuing to develop hazard specific

[1:48:58] plans and annexes.

[1:49:01] Working on ways to do disaster training

[1:49:03] for non-first responder staff because if

[1:49:06] it's a big enough incident, other people

[1:49:09] in the county are going to have to slot

[1:49:10] into roles and and help support that

[1:49:13] incident as well. also giving them tools

[1:49:15] and training to be able to better do

[1:49:16] that. And then that last bullet point,

[1:49:20] our hazard mitigation plan is required

[1:49:22] to be updated on a five-year basis. That

[1:49:24] refresh is due in 2028, so I'll be

[1:49:27] working on it in 2027. The asterisk is

[1:49:30] there because we're waiting for guidance

[1:49:32] to come down from FEMA. Um, you're

[1:49:34] probably aware there's been a lot of

[1:49:35] changes within the agency. So, I I know

[1:49:38] we're due for an update. What exactly

[1:49:40] that looks like is still kind of TV at

[1:49:43] this point.

[1:49:45] That is what I have. If you have

[1:49:47] questions, I can answer the cure or

[1:49:49] you're welcome to reach out to me.

[1:49:52] >> Any questions for K. Thank you.

[1:49:56] >> Thank you.

[1:49:57] >> Good job.

[1:49:58] >> Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate all

[1:49:59] >> you do.

[1:50:03] » And you so fast in the interest of time.

[1:50:06] Thank you. Okay. Power next. um

[1:50:10] department report is Michael Cleta for

[1:50:12] our director of the mobile office of

[1:50:13] tourism and he is going to be telling us

[1:50:16] about everything the mobile office

[1:50:18] tourism has been doing

[1:50:47] only have 10 minutes

[1:50:50] fast. I'm mix the director of the office

[1:50:52] tourism. Um, and this is my partner

[1:50:56] report. Um, I'm going to go over some

[1:50:59] high level updates, but the best way to

[1:51:01] keep in touch with us is by tuning into

[1:51:04] our board meetings, which are the second

[1:51:05] Tuesday of every month. Um, also been

[1:51:08] doing regular workshops. A lot of the

[1:51:10] work we do takes longer than timely

[1:51:12] after a board meeting. So, we've

[1:51:14] scheduled those outside of board

[1:51:15] meetings and so kind of in depth into

[1:51:17] some of our projects.

[1:51:22] » Wonder why everyone's lining up. Um so

[1:51:25] catch workshops they are posted in the

[1:51:28] same way that board meetings are. Um and

[1:51:30] another way to keep in touch is our

[1:51:32] website discover moab.com and our social

[1:51:34] handles at discovery.

[1:51:37] Um but today I am going to talk about um

[1:51:40] our campaign of the year nomination. Um

[1:51:43] give a brand update. Uh give an update

[1:51:46] on our co-op award and looking ahead to

[1:51:49] next year.

[1:51:52] So starting

[1:51:54] Um as I I mentioned at the commission

[1:51:57] meeting last week um we were nominated

[1:51:59] for campaign of the year. Um this was

[1:52:02] given or we were nominated by the US

[1:52:04] travel association um ESTO awards. It's

[1:52:07] one of tourism industry's premier

[1:52:09] organization and its highest honor. Uh

[1:52:11] the campaign that we submitted um

[1:52:14] generated more than 10 and a half

[1:52:15] million dollars in economic impact. Um

[1:52:19] 30,000 plus additional hotel room nights

[1:52:21] and a return on investment of $58 to

[1:52:24] $228.

[1:52:26] Um so the award ceremonies next week.

[1:52:29] We're up against two cities in New York

[1:52:30] State and one in Texas. Um other

[1:52:33] finalists include New York City, Denver,

[1:52:35] and Austin and other spending.

[1:52:38] basis recognition of work we did with

[1:52:40] Matt and Media um right when we engaged

[1:52:43] them. So the campaign runs from last

[1:52:44] summer to early this spring. Um and it's

[1:52:47] a really nice epic cherry on top after

[1:52:49] all that work getting to know that.

[1:52:53] >> So I also want to give you a brand

[1:52:54] update. We've been working on a a brand

[1:52:57] project for the better part of this

[1:52:59] year. Started late last fall um with

[1:53:01] camp 4 and tourists. Um this was a

[1:53:04] three-phase project. Um the first phase

[1:53:07] was a research phase. Second one was to

[1:53:10] develop assets and others while um into

[1:53:13] action. So phase one ended earlier this

[1:53:16] year January 2026 includes material

[1:53:20] audit um audit and landscape review. So

[1:53:23] looking at other DMOS um in market

[1:53:26] research. So, we talked with locals, we

[1:53:28] talked with visitors, um, and spent a

[1:53:32] lot of time hearing from them and what a

[1:53:34] trip to Moab was like and then

[1:53:36] synthesizing all of that information

[1:53:39] to, uh, strategy and goals. So, this is

[1:53:42] a link down here. will be posted to the

[1:53:45] uh agenda item and um anyone interested

[1:53:48] can explore all of these decks are

[1:53:50] linked and they're there. We also

[1:53:52] presented uh the research and and

[1:53:54] strategy findings um in January 13th and

[1:53:57] that's a link there to the YouTube page.

[1:53:59] So during phase one um we talked to more

[1:54:02] than 95 people um spent a lot of time on

[1:54:04] the ground um like I said talking to

[1:54:07] both locals and and to visitors um and

[1:54:10] then our materials audit um was

[1:54:12] reviewing what what we were inheriting

[1:54:14] in the office.

[1:54:16] Um when I started my observation of the

[1:54:20] office office was that we had uh every

[1:54:24] project looked different. Um, and when

[1:54:26] you do that, I would like to say that

[1:54:28] you're you're talking to people, you're

[1:54:30] doing marketing activities in different

[1:54:31] languages. Um, so getting these things

[1:54:34] to be consistent and look the same. You

[1:54:36] don't lose the narrative. Once you

[1:54:38] engage somebody, you can continue to

[1:54:39] engage them and your efforts will be

[1:54:41] more successful. So that was a big

[1:54:44] motivation for this project.

[1:54:50] So on the ground um camp for Gurus

[1:54:54] identified three big insights. Um the

[1:54:58] first is that time is Moab's

[1:55:01] underleveraged growth lever. Um they

[1:55:04] kept hearing and we'll get into this a

[1:55:05] little bit later in the presentation

[1:55:06] that um people felt that they didn't

[1:55:08] have enough time here. The second was

[1:55:11] that tourism tourism trends and also um

[1:55:17] just a visit to Moab is shifting from

[1:55:19] something that feels really

[1:55:20] transactional imagine bucket lists or I

[1:55:22] want to go only here to something

[1:55:24] relational that we had an opportunity um

[1:55:26] to tell a broader story that people

[1:55:28] wouldn't be just coming here to kind of

[1:55:30] work down a checklist. The second or the

[1:55:33] thirdism isn't a surprise that the

[1:55:35] landscape should be as of the main

[1:55:37] character.

[1:55:40] Um

[1:55:42] so we entered it to phase two. I'll

[1:55:43] spend more time with this. Um phase two

[1:55:46] is our our our identity and we did

[1:55:48] positioning. Um we started by

[1:55:50] identifying audiences. We have five

[1:55:51] audience types. Um from there we created

[1:55:55] itineraries. Kind of answered the

[1:55:56] question what would a visitor do in

[1:55:59] Moab? Um and then we started to create

[1:56:02] um brand positioning, messaging, um

[1:56:05] narrative executions, visual identity,

[1:56:07] um campaign concepts. And again, this

[1:56:09] was all presented just last week as we

[1:56:12] wrapped up phase two. And the link to

[1:56:14] that workshop is there. So I just wanted

[1:56:16] to review some quick quickly some of the

[1:56:20] outcomes of phase two.

[1:56:23] Um and as I kind of indicated before,

[1:56:26] the strategic shift is from a place

[1:56:30] from where you just visit to a place

[1:56:31] where you connect. Um, and we started to

[1:56:35] explore what that opportunity

[1:56:38] moving from quick hits to multi-day

[1:56:40] immersion, slowing down, staying longer.

[1:56:43] Um, and the best way to get to know the

[1:56:44] place is with kind of guided experience.

[1:56:49] That came brand standards and

[1:56:51] guidelines. We're already putting these

[1:56:52] things into work as we work with

[1:56:54] different creative partners. um you know

[1:56:57] our logo, our colors, the way we talk

[1:56:59] are all laid out in um directional.

[1:57:06] So one of those activities and and and I

[1:57:08] really liked that this came out of this

[1:57:10] project was you know what is the office

[1:57:13] doing almost holistically? I feel like

[1:57:15] we could start every movie, every

[1:57:17] meeting um with this brand purpose um

[1:57:21] which we arrived at to say is to invite

[1:57:24] people into a lasting relationship with

[1:57:25] an extraordinary place through real

[1:57:27] adventure, earned understanding and

[1:57:29] reverence and action. So Moab stays

[1:57:31] vital for the people who live here and

[1:57:33] for the people who arrive ready to

[1:57:35] experience it.

[1:57:40] Sorry.

[1:57:43] Um so who is the brand for? I think this

[1:57:45] is really important to keep in mind and

[1:57:47] um [clears throat] you know creative

[1:57:49] assets are talking to prospective

[1:57:50] visitors. Um of course we want to

[1:57:52] reflect the community but these this is

[1:57:55] the target audience is

[1:57:58] um and then just to to to show you where

[1:58:00] we landed on some of uh the brand assets

[1:58:04] uh we have a new logo. Two things I'd

[1:58:06] point out about our logo. We added Utah

[1:58:09] to the logo. I think people uh as we say

[1:58:13] uh we're from Moab either someone knows

[1:58:15] exactly what you're talking about or

[1:58:16] they ask you the followup question

[1:58:18] where's that um and so to get more

[1:58:20] recognition that what's safe added that

[1:58:24] to to the look uh an alternative version

[1:58:31] business logo about the Utah and

[1:58:35] applicable

[1:58:36] um we have new fonts

[1:58:40] others

[1:58:44] and there's some other deliverables in

[1:58:46] phase two um that are reviewed in that

[1:58:49] um YouTube video.

[1:58:53] >> So we're currently in phase three um and

[1:58:55] phase three is putting all of this into

[1:58:57] action.

[1:58:59] It includes messaging system. We we

[1:59:01] started to develop ads campaign toolkit.

[1:59:04] We're refreshing to sour.com

[1:59:07] um environmental integrations um and we

[1:59:10] will launch this all in the next few

[1:59:14] weeks here.

[1:59:17] So um one of these deliverables is a

[1:59:20] campaign an advertising campaign kind of

[1:59:23] rooted uh in brand insights. And as I

[1:59:26] sort of indicated before, one statistic

[1:59:29] that really stood out to us was that

[1:59:31] more than 90% of visitors we talked to

[1:59:33] during the phase one re research said

[1:59:35] that they plan to return or wish they'd

[1:59:37] built in more time. So I don't think

[1:59:39] this is really a surprise to us that

[1:59:41] people show up and say, "I had no idea

[1:59:44] this was here. Um, you know, I came for

[1:59:46] Arches, but there's so much more to do."

[1:59:48] Um, and we started to feel like we sort

[1:59:50] of miss out if somebody's already come

[1:59:52] and they're already planning to leave.

[1:59:54] um maybe they're here for a day or two

[1:59:55] days um but they're missing a longer

[1:59:58] trip. Um and anytime you have a research

[2:00:01] insta like this that's really needy 90%

[2:00:04] of people are saying this you can really

[2:00:06] lean into it u and try to get leverage

[2:00:09] out of it.

[2:00:11] We were presented with uh three campaign

[2:00:13] concepts and we really started to go

[2:00:16] with with this insight and arrived on on

[2:00:18] the campaign stand that you should have

[2:00:20] stayed higher. Um, so our team started

[2:00:23] to mock up what a campaign could look

[2:00:25] like, different taglines, ad lobs,

[2:00:29] um, says one art down, 2,000 to go.

[2:00:32] Really trying to set the expectation of

[2:00:34] all there is to see do here. Three days

[2:00:37] felt like enough until it didn't.

[2:00:41] Um, the truth is MOA is bigger and

[2:00:42] deeper than what than any trip you could

[2:00:44] have planned for. It's not a regret, but

[2:00:47] it's a reason to come and to come back.

[2:00:49] So MOA makes you realize you should have

[2:00:52] stayed longer.

[2:00:55] Um

[2:00:57] I'll just go through these quick this

[2:00:58] quickly here, but we did a multi-day

[2:01:00] shoot. We did some in the in the winter.

[2:01:02] We also um did a big shoot in the

[2:01:05] summer. Um and these are mock-ups of

[2:01:07] AdLabs. What ads print ads will look

[2:01:08] like? Colorado Rivers in no hurry. So

[2:01:11] why are you

[2:01:13] came for two trails? Moab has 300 more

[2:01:15] with your name on them.

[2:01:17] you didn't come all this way to go to

[2:01:19] bed early.

[2:01:21] Wish you were still here.

[2:01:26] So, um

[2:01:28] I've also linked a campaign toolkit kind

[2:01:31] of what the ingredients of making making

[2:01:33] an ad.

[2:01:35] So, as I said, we're launching our brand

[2:01:37] September 8th at the day after Labor

[2:01:39] Day. Um we're going to have a series of

[2:01:41] workshops in the morning. um our regular

[2:01:44] scheduled Mtown meeting from 3:00 to

[2:01:46] 5:00. Then at 5:00 we'll go over to the

[2:01:48] Mick um and do a community open house.

[2:01:50] We kicked off this project with

[2:01:51] community open house um and we're

[2:01:54] inviting people to come out and talk to

[2:01:55] us about the new campaign, the new grand

[2:01:57] work um and everything we do at the

[2:01:59] office of tourism. I got to keep going.

[2:02:03] I was going to show you guys this, but I

[2:02:04] don't.

[2:02:07] >> We should have

[2:02:15] breakfast.

[2:02:36] So we'll see we'll have other iterations

[2:02:40] of that and we'll be rolling that out.

[2:02:43] >> Okay, I'm going to quickly go through

[2:02:44] these other slides. Um our co-op award

[2:02:47] came in last Friday and we had a great

[2:02:49] result. Um the state is investing

[2:02:52] $161,000 in our um should stay longer

[2:02:55] campaign. Uh this is one of the top

[2:02:57] awards and um higher than other top

[2:03:00] earning DMOs like Greater Zion, Park

[2:03:02] City, and Salt Lake City. Um so we're

[2:03:05] really excited to um have this

[2:03:08] investment in in this working.

[2:03:11] And then looking ahead, um we have our

[2:03:14] campaign launch. Um later that week on

[2:03:16] Friday, we're doing a Mud Springs event.

[2:03:18] Um grand opening and ribbon cutting. Um

[2:03:22] in the coming year um we'll be working

[2:03:24] with film commission to promote film

[2:03:26] production and film tourism. Um and as I

[2:03:30] look at budget season I'm looking at

[2:03:32] projects like data insights global

[2:03:34] markets support um and we're already

[2:03:37] working on administration and

[2:03:38] operations. Um data insights would be

[2:03:41] more data around who's coming, what's

[2:03:44] happening here. Um and global market

[2:03:46] support is to really encourage

[2:03:48] international visitation. um really

[2:03:50] looking at that late summer period where

[2:03:52] we have a wall and filling that with

[2:03:55] international visitors who travel during

[2:03:57] that period of time. Um to start that

[2:03:59] I'll be going to brand USA travel week

[2:04:01] talking to international tour operators

[2:04:04] the next month. So I went over um but

[2:04:07] thank you for your time if you have any

[2:04:09] questions.

[2:04:10] >> It was great. Thank you mwes awesome

[2:04:12] awards. Any questions? Mike,

[2:04:17] >> thanks for that uh film uh tourism plug

[2:04:19] right there. It was really nice going

[2:04:21] out to a set of of the set of Obsidian

[2:04:25] and uh I I want the general public to

[2:04:27] know. Uh there was roughly 250 plus

[2:04:31] people out in the desert uh on a film

[2:04:34] set and they're contributing right to

[2:04:36] our local economy. Uh most people didn't

[2:04:38] even know they were out there, but it

[2:04:40] was absolutely awesome to partake in

[2:04:41] that as I wear the hat.

[2:04:43] Uh, and I thank you guys for having me

[2:04:46] out and you guys going out too to see uh

[2:04:48] to take part in that.

[2:04:51] >> Bill,

[2:04:52] >> yeah, I think you're doing you and your

[2:04:53] team are doing a great job. I really

[2:04:55] appreciate the the message is positive.

[2:04:58] I just appreciate that what we're

[2:05:00] seeing.

[2:05:02] >> Yeah. Anybody else?

[2:05:05] >> Thanks, Mick.

[2:05:06] >> Great.

[2:05:07] >> Thank you very much.

[2:05:10] >> All right. Thank you very much.

[2:05:13] Next we have our engineering department

[2:05:16] Shangh

[2:05:27] suggested that in the interest of time I

[2:05:29] just verbally present this but then

[2:05:33] presentation both with the agenda

[2:05:41] strers as well as staff in serving Grand

[2:05:46] County citizens and the tourists that

[2:05:47] visit our area here.

[2:05:50] [clears throat]

[2:05:50] I think Jacques said it the best when he

[2:05:52] said finding the zoning is a lightning

[2:05:54] rod. And I think we're I think we're on

[2:05:57] the verge of really um harnessing that

[2:06:00] energy in a good way to better serve

[2:06:04] both developers and contractors with new

[2:06:07] folks on board with a new building

[2:06:10] inspector as well as Andrew Jackson who

[2:06:13] is uh leading the charge in priority

[2:06:16] number one. commercial canvas as the

[2:06:19] chair stated in the commissioner

[2:06:23] commission's priorities. The priority

[2:06:25] statement um as you know was published

[2:06:30] July 1st and as I was reading some of

[2:06:33] those priorities those 10 priorities um

[2:06:37] published by the chair there's some

[2:06:39] words that just jumped off the page to

[2:06:40] me and it was completing outstanding

[2:06:43] deliverables. I think deep deep in our

[2:06:46] heart of hearts, every staff member,

[2:06:48] every commissioner, every administrator

[2:06:50] and I think every every citizen and

[2:06:52] county in the counties wants to see um

[2:06:56] outstanding deliverables, maybe even be

[2:06:58] a part of that.

[2:07:00] Um,

[2:07:02] engineering [clears throat]

[2:07:03] touches two of those or two through

[2:07:06] eight of those priorities from strategic

[2:07:08] plan strate strategy and plan for

[2:07:11] development areas all the way down to

[2:07:12] aligning the organizational structures

[2:07:14] and resources to accomplish the goals.

[2:07:17] engineering has has a part that it's I

[2:07:20] feel like I'm kind of in a soccer game

[2:07:22] where I'm running down the field with

[2:07:23] the team and the ball gets passed over

[2:07:25] and I tap it over here and I try to

[2:07:27] direct something in a way that will help

[2:07:31] whoever the striker might be. Oftentimes

[2:07:33] it's the commissioners and those on

[2:07:35] committees to score the goal for the

[2:07:37] county.

[2:07:39] Um

[2:07:43] panelists uh put this together. I'm sure

[2:07:46] this was a joint effort with all of the commissioners, but uh the priority

[2:07:50] statement for fiscal year 2026 is as we

[2:07:53] continue to work as we continue our work

[2:07:56] to serve the residents of Grand County,

[2:07:58] maintaining clear alignment between our

[2:08:01] overarching long range goals and daily

[2:08:03] operations is essential and and truly it

[2:08:06] is. I know that uh there's a wide

[2:08:09] variety of priorities depending on who

[2:08:11] you talk to on the commissioner,

[2:08:12] citizens of the county, but actually um

[2:08:16] putting the rubber to the road on a

[2:08:18] daily basis and working towards those

[2:08:20] goals is how those will be achieved.

[2:08:24] Um [clears throat]

[2:08:26] I'm involved as county engineer in three

[2:08:29] main areas. One is the strategy and plan

[2:08:32] for development areas. And so as I

[2:08:34] assist Andrew Jackson, the news center

[2:08:37] in the planning and zoning efforts, um I

[2:08:41] do such things as review development

[2:08:43] paths, um work with developers like Matt

[2:08:47] Gul and and

[2:08:50] making sure that they're they're taken

[2:08:52] care of. In fact, today I went out with

[2:08:54] a building inspector and inspected some

[2:08:56] uh some rebar that was being placed for

[2:08:59] a retaining wall that the Royal Crossing

[2:09:01] was putting in to help further improve

[2:09:04] their drainage.

[2:09:06] Another thing I've worked on this year,

[2:09:08] and this is something I know that's been

[2:09:10] near and dear to Commissioner Winfield's

[2:09:11] heart as well as a couple other

[2:09:14] commissioners here, it's the uh North

[2:09:16] Thompson replat. Um to date we have 18

[2:09:19] of the required 25 signatures

[2:09:22] for owner consent forms which will allow

[2:09:25] us to adjust those property lines in

[2:09:28] North Thompson. So that means there's

[2:09:30] only seven remaining signatures and I

[2:09:32] believe we can get those secured here in

[2:09:35] the next couple months.

[2:09:37] May or may not take a public meeting.

[2:09:40] Also along those lines, ABC Thompson is

[2:09:43] owned by SA

[2:09:46] who's working to get that restaurant up

[2:09:48] and going out there in Thompson. And

[2:09:50] that'll be the very nice revitalization

[2:09:53] project for that area as well as the two

[2:09:56] water lines that we would like to take

[2:09:59] out there as well as

[2:10:02] junction.

[2:10:04] Another real hot topic obviously over

[2:10:07] the years has been flooding mitigation.

[2:10:10] We will be starting a flood mitigation

[2:10:13] project, Jackson Street Storm Vin

[2:10:15] Institute project. We have a

[2:10:17] pre-construction meeting on August 24th

[2:10:20] and we'll be starting construction

[2:10:23] sometime in September based on when UD

[2:10:25] do issues their encroachment permit.

[2:10:28] Expect that to be completed by spring

[2:10:30] 2027.

[2:10:32] Also included in this packet, I've sat

[2:10:34] on a few meetings obviously

[2:10:36] more oftentimes is the fly on the wall,

[2:10:39] but I know there's been a lot of work

[2:10:40] put into the umptra

[2:10:42] um asset management between Commissioner

[2:10:45] Gan and Bill Winfield

[2:10:48] as well as Mark Tiner.

[2:10:50] Um,

[2:10:52] [clears throat] also we've been working

[2:10:54] on the u the Moab town boat ramp's been

[2:11:00] head of that effort and uh been working

[2:11:03] with

[2:11:04] Na'vi Ladawitz on

[2:11:08] preparing [clears throat] to get

[2:11:10] preparing to apply for both federal and

[2:11:13] uh state grants. Um, we've received a

[2:11:16] lot of good input from Commissioner

[2:11:17] Martinez with respect to grant strategy

[2:11:20] and things like that. That should be a

[2:11:21] pretty good project as we move on down

[2:11:24] the uh permitting line. We do have a

[2:11:26] meeting uh

[2:11:30] later this week with the board of

[2:11:32] engineers so we can get our threat and

[2:11:34] endangered species clearances

[2:11:38] taken care of in that area. Um

[2:11:41] [clears throat] perhaps the uh the bulk

[2:11:42] of the time

[2:11:44] of the engineers spent

[2:11:47] assisting and planning and zoning. And

[2:11:51] from coming on board about a year ago,

[2:11:53] my goal has always been to try to my

[2:11:55] best possible way is to make it so that

[2:11:59] the people that leave planning zoning

[2:12:01] office have a smile on their face. They

[2:12:03] feel like they've had their concerns

[2:12:05] addressed and uh that we've done all

[2:12:08] that we can to do to help them um move

[2:12:12] down the process of getting a project

[2:12:14] approved.

[2:12:18] And along those lines, uh we've issued

[2:12:22] many development approvals,

[2:12:23] subdivisions, preliminary final site

[2:12:25] plans. Um, one thing of note is we we

[2:12:29] issued a permit for the Canyon Spirit

[2:12:31] formerly Rocky Mountain

[2:12:34] train that uh it's a tourist train that

[2:12:37] comes through here and it seemed to have

[2:12:40] been held up in obligation for quite

[2:12:41] some time. Um,

[2:12:45] let's see. Also,

[2:12:51] one of the things that we do get some

[2:12:53] complaints on is this night sky the dark

[2:12:56] sky initiative. [clears throat] I've

[2:12:58] included a photo in this packet that

[2:13:00] shows a development that was approved.

[2:13:03] Um the final the final's been completed

[2:13:06] and they're asking for a bond release,

[2:13:08] but we we are getting some complaints

[2:13:10] from some light glare there. So, we're

[2:13:13] I'm working with Brandon Black on on

[2:13:16] addressing some of those glare

[2:13:17] complaints and working with the

[2:13:20] contractor and the developer relation to

[2:13:22] get their bond released.

[2:13:28] » Yes. Are there any questions might have

[2:13:31] as far as progress or projects or

[2:13:33] anything?

[2:13:36] uh the Spanish Valley multiuse pathway.

[2:13:39] We haven't had an update on that in just

[2:13:41] a little while and I know last time we

[2:13:42] were talking about that it was

[2:13:43] acquisitions. Was wondering where that

[2:13:46] might be.

[2:13:47] >> Yeah, there are some there are some

[2:13:48] property owners there that had some

[2:13:50] additional concerns with some

[2:13:54] retaining walls along the front of the

[2:13:56] property

[2:13:58] as well as individuals at the top of

[2:14:00] that. Yeah,

[2:14:03] >> that ties into Royal Crossing

[2:14:06] where Judy Larson, our rightway agent,

[2:14:08] is going back and forth on particulars.

[2:14:12] So, we're just kind of waiting to settle

[2:14:14] on state owners there. Okay. Um I think

[2:14:16] the feeling is that we don't want to

[2:14:18] offer too much more than we've already

[2:14:20] offered the appraisers the appraisals

[2:14:23] but uh

[2:14:25] I anticipate and in talking with David

[2:14:28] Riddle that by the end of this year we

[2:14:30] should be

[2:14:32] negotiation portion of it and have a set

[2:14:35] of plans that are ready for

[2:14:36] advertisement.

[2:14:38] Obviously, I know that there's a a

[2:14:40] number of different funding competing

[2:14:42] interests in the county for for probably

[2:14:45] different things, but at some point, I

[2:14:47] think the commission will perhaps need

[2:14:50] to make some decisions on those areas.

[2:14:52] But we should be ready to rock and roll

[2:14:54] in a thing of spring of 2027 as far as

[2:14:58] construction.

[2:14:59] >> I think all the stars.

[2:15:01] >> Hope they do. Thanks, Sean.

[2:15:03] >> Thanks, John.

[2:15:05] >> Thank you. Thank you for uh bringing in

[2:15:07] my priorities uh statement in there. I

[2:15:09] appreciate it and tying in. A lot does

[2:15:11] go into your office. You do a lot of

[2:15:13] things around the county. So, thank you

[2:15:14] so much. You're welcome.

[2:15:16] >> Oh, has question.

[2:15:18] >> Is there any way that we could have this

[2:15:20] put on into the packet so that uh the

[2:15:24] public can see it and we can refer back

[2:15:26] to it easier?

[2:15:27] >> Yeah, I was gonna I was going to post

[2:15:29] it, but I think the closing time had

[2:15:31] closed. So, um, Dan had recommended I

[2:15:34] post this following the meeting.

[2:15:37] >> Thank you.

[2:15:38] >> I have one more question.

[2:15:39] >> Yeah, thanks for all you're doing.

[2:15:40] You're scattered all over the county and

[2:15:42] it's good to see I mean the stuff in

[2:15:44] Thompson Springs been a long time

[2:15:46] coming. I think we started or I started

[2:15:48] on part of that when I first became a

[2:15:50] commissioner. So, it's good to see that

[2:15:52] one moving along. And also the flood

[2:15:54] work. You know, there's a lot of

[2:15:57] maybe even a lack of information out

[2:15:59] there. the amount of flood work that we

[2:16:01] are doing right now and it's an area.

[2:16:02] >> I just appreciate you highlighting that

[2:16:04] because we've got flood work going on

[2:16:05] all over the county right now.

[2:16:07] >> Yeah, Cody in particular is doing

[2:16:09] day-to-day stuff out there and it's just

[2:16:11] all over the county. So maybe we can do

[2:16:13] maybe a flood mitigation presentation

[2:16:15] that we're live doing.

[2:16:18] >> Yeah. Thank you, Sean.

[2:16:22] » Okay. Okay. And with that, we will move

[2:16:24] on to our general business action items,

[2:16:26] discussion, consideration of approval.

[2:16:29] But before we move to our first agenda

[2:16:31] item today, I wanted to take a brief

[2:16:32] moment to reflect on why each one of us

[2:16:36] is going to turn. We represent a vital

[2:16:39] vibrant community with diverse

[2:16:41] viewpoints. And it's entirely natural

[2:16:43] and even necessary that we won't always

[2:16:45] agree on every issue. We all have

[2:16:47] differing perspectives on how best to

[2:16:49] serve our residents. However, how we

[2:16:52] treat one another during these

[2:16:53] discussions dictates whether our

[2:16:56] community moves forward or stalls in

[2:16:58] division.

[2:16:59] Our primary duty as commissioners is not

[2:17:01] to win arguments or to score political

[2:17:03] points. It is to make decisions that

[2:17:06] serve the best interests of Brown County

[2:17:08] as a whole. So disagreement is a

[2:17:10] fundamental part of representative

[2:17:12] government. But personal attacks,

[2:17:14] interruptions, walkouts, and hostility

[2:17:17] undermine public trust and distract from

[2:17:19] the work our constituents elected us to

[2:17:21] do. So moving forward, I expect the

[2:17:24] following standards of decorum for

[2:17:26] everyone in this chamber. For

[2:17:28] commissioners, I want you to focus on

[2:17:30] policy merits, not the personal

[2:17:32] motivations of the person speaking.

[2:17:35] Respect the floor and allow each

[2:17:37] commissioner to speak without

[2:17:38] interruption. and keep our shared goal

[2:17:41] at the forefront which is finding

[2:17:44] practical solutions for Grant County.

[2:17:46] And for the citizens participating in

[2:17:49] public comment, I want you to address

[2:17:51] this the commission as a whole rather

[2:17:53] than directing remarks or personal

[2:17:55] criticisms at individual commissioners

[2:17:57] or staff. Keep your comments civil and

[2:18:00] constructive and focused on county

[2:18:01] business and agenda topics. And lastly,

[2:18:05] please respect time limits and the

[2:18:07] public space so that everyone who wishes

[2:18:09] to speak has equal opportunity to be

[2:18:11] heard without a disruption or applause.

[2:18:15] So, our community is watching and let's

[2:18:17] serve our community with the respect it

[2:18:19] deserves. And with that, we will have

[2:18:22] our commission member disclosures and

[2:18:24] future considerations. Yes,

[2:18:26] >> as always, wife works for the sheriff's

[2:18:27] department. And just to revisit future

[2:18:30] consideration, I would still like

[2:18:34] uh the website updated with taxation

[2:18:36] percentage uh charts and an approximate

[2:18:40] tax calculator. I know I talked about it

[2:18:42] last time, but uh I don't know where

[2:18:45] that fell, so just

[2:18:48] I want that on the website.

[2:18:51] Okay,

[2:18:52] >> Mary, go ahead.

[2:18:53] >> Yes. Uh begin with probably having

[2:18:56] budget um voting or budgeting. So, I

[2:18:59] need to disclose that my son works at uh

[2:19:02] Sandlads. And secondly, I want to

[2:19:05] express that uh and I spoke to attorney

[2:19:09] Starks, our county attorney, that

[2:19:12] [clears throat] I have the right when

[2:19:16] talking on a subject, if the subject

[2:19:19] matter I'm referring to is the agenda

[2:19:23] item

[2:19:25] and it's a vote has been done had

[2:19:28] previously been voted on, I have the

[2:19:32] right

[2:19:34] to express that I would like to have the

[2:19:37] commissions reconsider their vote. I

[2:19:40] have the right to ask that. I um you

[2:19:45] don't

[2:19:46] you know it's your choice and you're the

[2:19:48] ones that would get to bring it up. I

[2:19:50] can't. But it's my right to express my

[2:19:54] concern

[2:19:56] and I don't want to be called point of

[2:19:59] order again.

[2:20:04] and Brian, you have your hand up.

[2:20:07] >> Uh, thank you, chair. Um, two future

[2:20:09] considerations. One is I'd like to bring

[2:20:11] forward some water projects um that uh

[2:20:15] Grand County Water and Sewer is going to

[2:20:17] be looking for some match funding on.

[2:20:19] And then there are a couple of planning

[2:20:21] grants. And then the second is is I

[2:20:23] would like to bring forward again the

[2:20:25] updated uh motorized

[2:20:27] so that we can get that uh um thatouou

[2:20:30] uh resigned and brought back in front of

[2:20:32] the commission.

[2:20:35] » I think we're fine. Go ahead, Bill.

[2:20:37] >> And then we talked in our last budget

[2:20:39] meeting regard there was a need to see a

[2:20:42] little bit more of our grants

[2:20:45] centralized. I think you were there,

[2:20:47] Shantel. But it would be nice if all of

[2:20:50] our grants were somehow or other they're

[2:20:52] centralized on one document where we

[2:20:55] could look at them and see where the

[2:20:56] match money is coming from and possibly

[2:20:59] what the status of those grants are,

[2:21:01] where we're at in them, nearing

[2:21:03] completion or just beginning, that kind

[2:21:05] of a thing. And it's, you know, there's

[2:21:08] no time frame. I just think that that's

[2:21:11] great information when we're in those

[2:21:13] discussions.

[2:21:16] Okay,

[2:21:18] moving on to our approval of consent

[2:21:20] agenda items.

[2:21:22] Total bills in the amount of

[2:21:24] 1,668,875.37.

[2:21:28] Total payroll 59,18.77.

[2:21:33] So the total bills and payroll is

[2:21:35] $1,658,894.14.

[2:21:42] B is ratification of the film commission

[2:21:44] sponsorship of location managers guild

[2:21:47] international awards. C. Letter of

[2:21:49] support for USU's grant application for

[2:21:52] the ending wasted food award nurse

[2:21:55] nourish smart families contract

[2:21:58] extension of the verdict playgrounds

[2:22:00] OSTA playground project and contract

[2:22:03] extension for Rener sports pickle ball

[2:22:05] project.

[2:22:07] F is ratification of the grant contract

[2:22:09] amendment for springs phase one. G grant

[2:22:12] application OV trail coordinator

[2:22:15] position in 2027 to 2028.

[2:22:18] H is a recommended reappoint of historic

[2:22:21] preservation commission members. I

[2:22:24] secondary manufacturers o is the void

[2:22:26] contingent B application. J letter of

[2:22:30] support for funding a request to the

[2:22:32] department of natural resources for the

[2:22:33] Colorado River boat grant. K appointment

[2:22:37] of two vacancies on the budget advisory

[2:22:39] board. and L is the revision of job

[2:22:42] description and backtail request for the

[2:22:44] OSA administrative assistant bill.

[2:22:47] >> Motion to approve as stated.

[2:22:51] >> Thank all in favor.

[2:23:02] Sorry,

[2:23:05] we couldn't see you. You raise your

[2:23:07] hand, Brian.

[2:23:11] Yes, I did. Thanks.

[2:23:13] >> Seven. That has a seven out. Thank you.

[2:23:16] All right. So, number seven is

[2:23:19] postponed, but that was approval of

[2:23:20] outdoor recreation mitigation grant

[2:23:22] letter of acknowledgement. We just have

[2:23:24] a little bit more work to do on that.

[2:23:27] Um, eight is a resolution amending the

[2:23:30] 2026 budget.

[2:23:34] Chantel,

[2:23:37] » good evening. Um, a little different

[2:23:40] sitting up here. Administrator Tiner

[2:23:42] requested that I sit up here while the

[2:23:44] clerk auditor is out for a bit. Um, I'm

[2:23:48] here tonight to present on the

[2:23:50] resolution to amend the 2026 Grand

[2:23:52] County budget.

[2:23:54] One of the largest areas of adjustment

[2:23:55] in this budget amendment is salaries and

[2:23:57] benefits. As you are aware, we began the

[2:23:59] year with a hiring freeze and still are

[2:24:01] in hiring freeze. As a result, several

[2:24:04] vacant positions were not included in

[2:24:05] the opening budget. Throughout the year,

[2:24:07] as department heads brought requests to

[2:24:09] the commission to fill those vacant

[2:24:10] positions, and those requests were

[2:24:12] approved, the corresponding salaries and

[2:24:14] benefits needed to be added to the

[2:24:15] budget. Therefore, a significant portion

[2:24:17] of the proposed budget amendments is

[2:24:19] related to positions that were approved

[2:24:21] during the year but were not included in

[2:24:23] the original adopted budget. As we move

[2:24:25] closer to the final budget, there will

[2:24:27] be several additional line item

[2:24:28] adjustments that will need to be

[2:24:30] addressed and we will bring those

[2:24:31] forward and make the necessary

[2:24:32] amendments at that time. I'm happy to

[2:24:35] answer any questions or provide any

[2:24:36] additional clarification regarding any of the proposed amendments

[2:24:40] in the budget.

[2:24:42] >> Thank you, Chantel. Go ahead.

[2:24:44] >> I move to approve the resolution

[2:24:45] amending the 2026 Grand County budget.

[2:24:50] Second by Mike. Any discussion?

[2:24:55] Go ahead, Jacques. Um, uh, this we've

[2:24:58] gone through this budget quite a bit.

[2:25:00] Um, we've had a workshop and discussed

[2:25:02] various aspects of it in various

[2:25:04] meetings. There's a few big, uh, ticket

[2:25:07] items I don't approve of on the budget.

[2:25:09] I think you guys all know what I'm

[2:25:11] talking about. Same time, u budgeting

[2:25:14] process is something that we all go

[2:25:15] through together. Um previous to this

[2:25:18] commission uh the

[2:25:21] commissioners voted against uh the

[2:25:24] budget presented by the entire

[2:25:25] commission um brought up

[2:25:27] >> [clears throat]

[2:25:28] >> uh opinions or grievances at the last

[2:25:30] minute um even though I don't support

[2:25:34] things in this budget. I support the

[2:25:35] process and um getting this done

[2:25:40] together. So, I will uh perhaps against

[2:25:44] my better judgment vote to approve this

[2:25:46] budget. Thanks.

[2:25:48] >> Thank you. I can't see Trish online if

[2:25:50] she is. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. By each

[2:25:53] other. Oh. Oh, there you go. Trish, go

[2:25:56] ahead. [clears throat]

[2:25:57] >> Um Chantel, you might not be able to

[2:25:59] answer this question and I should have

[2:26:00] asked this in an earlier workshop, but I

[2:26:02] noticed the the com admin had a fairly

[2:26:05] large line item of overtime added. And

[2:26:08] do you can can you give me any specifics

[2:26:12] as to where that might have been coming

[2:26:14] from?

[2:26:16] >> Yes. Um that is coming from um one of

[2:26:20] the staff members um the economic

[2:26:23] development staff position.

[2:26:27] >> And do you know what projects they're

[2:26:30] working on?

[2:26:31] >> I don't. Um I'm sure that Mark can

[2:26:32] address that since she is in his

[2:26:35] department.

[2:26:38] Yeah, Commissioner Hading, she is

[2:26:41] working on several different projects.

[2:26:43] Um, one specifically is the shuttle at

[2:26:48] Current.

[2:26:52] » I'm sorry I didn't catch that last

[2:26:53] little bit, Mark, like the last three

[2:26:55] words.

[2:26:55] >> Yes, ma'am. She is primarily at at

[2:26:58] current she is working on the shuttle

[2:27:00] system and and implementing that at

[2:27:04] current.

[2:27:06] >> Okay. And to clarify one other thing,

[2:27:08] Trish, this is a midyear, so this is as

[2:27:11] of 7:15. Um, if I assume that we will

[2:27:16] once again for the next six months need

[2:27:18] the exact same amount or possibly more

[2:27:20] on that line item for her job.

[2:27:27] » Bill had a question. Oh,

[2:27:28] >> go ahead.

[2:27:29] >> Yeah, I don't have a question. Maybe

[2:27:31] question. Isn't a big portion of her

[2:27:33] salary state funded?

[2:27:39] Yes. Yes, it is.

[2:27:41] >> Thank you. And then the other point is I do know that we're looking at one

[2:27:46] position to add this this commission

[2:27:48] meeting in the future. It's very clear

[2:27:50] that we need to add a position in that

[2:27:52] office to get her some help, which would

[2:27:55] reduce that overtime, I'm sure.

[2:27:59] Mike,

[2:28:00] >> not to sound like a sounding board here,

[2:28:02] but that speaks to her need for uh uh

[2:28:04] the second position. It also speaks to

[2:28:06] the need of uh uh I'm Commissioner

[2:28:10] Herine and myself reached out to her

[2:28:12] today to uh try to get uh a letter in

[2:28:16] reference to HOSA out. Uh we we are we

[2:28:19] are

[2:28:21] work varied away varied array of work

[2:28:24] with her. So she's all over the board.

[2:28:27] Yeah, she was instrumental in the fixed

[2:28:29] guideway tax discussion that we had

[2:28:31] today and in every one of those

[2:28:32] meetings. She's in on the um

[2:28:36] you know diversification economic

[2:28:38] diversification. She's constantly worked

[2:28:40] on projects that go with that. She's

[2:28:41] helped over the um the senior project.

[2:28:46] We've worked on the senior um needs

[2:28:50] assessment. She also helped me with the

[2:28:52] healthc care districts RFP getting that

[2:28:54] out for the senior housing um that we're

[2:28:58] looking at doing the healthcare

[2:29:01] district. So there's a lot of projects

[2:29:02] that she's working on.

[2:29:05] That would be it. But but it is

[2:29:07] partially funded by the state of Utah.

[2:29:10] Any other questions? All right. Oh,

[2:29:14] Brian, go ahead.

[2:29:16] >> Oh, yeah. Thank you, chair. Yeah, I just

[2:29:18] wanted to add on to that. you know, she

[2:29:20] also helped out with the housing task

[2:29:22] force in getting the pipeline study done

[2:29:24] as well. And then at one of the

[2:29:27] workshops, I did ask Tess to go ahead

[2:29:30] and bring forward a reclassification for

[2:29:33] that position and a part-time staff. And

[2:29:35] I'd like to see if we can maybe add that

[2:29:37] on to one of the future agenda items.

[2:29:41] um

[2:29:45] » um okay I won't get into too much of

[2:29:48] that but anyways um I I I appreciate

[2:29:53] Jock's comment. I appreciate the

[2:29:56] workshops that we've done on the budget.

[2:29:59] I [clears throat] am a big fan of

[2:30:00] workshops. You probably know that at

[2:30:02] least we can have discussions and

[2:30:03] hopefully move through things in a in a

[2:30:06] logical manner. I will not be supporting

[2:30:08] this budget amendment um due to I think

[2:30:11] the big things for me are was our lack

[2:30:14] of ability to provide colas for our

[2:30:17] employees. You know, an understanding

[2:30:19] that a cola is an increase in income to

[2:30:22] offset inflation. It is not at all a

[2:30:25] raise. And then lastly, the addition of

[2:30:27] $500,000 for um the Moab to Arches

[2:30:31] shuttle that I think it should be

[2:30:33] understood that has had a tremendous

[2:30:36] amount of community push back. So even

[2:30:39] though I appreciate the process, I will

[2:30:41] not be supporting this amended budget.

[2:30:45] Right.

[2:30:47] I will not be supporting the amended

[2:30:49] budget uh because of my concern not only

[2:30:53] for the money that has been allocated to

[2:30:58] the shuttle. My concern is the need to

[2:31:01] have another staff member in the

[2:31:04] administrative office can be directly

[2:31:07] tied to the shuttle.

[2:31:10] >> Okay, we're going to call for a vote.

[2:31:14] raise your hand still. Are you another

[2:31:16] comment?

[2:31:19] » Oh, no. She

[2:31:21] >> Okay. All right. Well, we have first and

[2:31:23] second on the action item number eight.

[2:31:26] All in favor?

[2:31:29] >> I.

[2:31:30] >> And those post.

[2:31:39] Oh, Trish, did you raise your hand or

[2:31:41] say it? I'm opposed. I'm opposed.

[2:31:44] >> Okay. All right. So, that passes 52 with

[2:31:46] Commissioner Hedin and Commissioner Man

[2:31:48] in opposition. And with that, we are

[2:31:50] going to move to the citizens to be

[2:31:52] heard. I did notice a few citizens came

[2:31:55] in after I um spoke. And I did want to

[2:31:58] remind everyone in this chambers that we

[2:32:01] all have a decorum and I and I did read

[2:32:04] it to the commissioners, but I'll remind

[2:32:05] the citizens pres uh uh participating in

[2:32:08] public comment that we want you to

[2:32:10] address this the mission as a whole.

[2:32:13] Keep your comment civil and constructive

[2:32:15] and focused and then also please respect

[2:32:17] the time limits as a public space. Thank

[2:32:19] you. And with that, we'll start our

[2:32:21] citizens to be heard. And who in the

[2:32:24] spring?

[2:32:25] >> Oh, sorry. you'll be next.

[2:32:27] >> Sarah, come on up. Sorry. I'm sorry.

[2:32:30] You're good.

[2:32:31] >> Hi, [clears throat] my friends. How are

[2:32:32] you all doing?

[2:32:33] >> Good. How are you?

[2:32:34] >> Good. Um,

[2:32:35] >> say your name.

[2:32:37] >> Sarah Malnikov, No Solutions. I'm here

[2:32:40] today to offer my full my wholehearted

[2:32:43] support for a full-time victim advocate

[2:32:46] for the county. Victims of crime are

[2:32:49] highly traumatized individuals.

[2:32:52] Having an advocate on scene is crucial

[2:32:55] to alleviate fear and it sets up um aid

[2:33:00] going forward.

[2:33:02] Uh navigating the long and complicated

[2:33:06] legal process through the courts is not

[2:33:09] meant to retraumatize people. I think it

[2:33:12] sometimes can. But with a with a victim

[2:33:14] advocate walking people through the

[2:33:18] whole process, it it makes it a lot

[2:33:22] better. That's vitally important. We

[2:33:25] can't measure the absence of bad that

[2:33:28] good creates. I always look at the

[2:33:31] mentoring program and I think how many

[2:33:33] kids would be in trouble if they didn't

[2:33:35] have loving mentors helping them

[2:33:37] throughout time. So we can't measure it.

[2:33:40] And the same would be true for a victim

[2:33:41] advocate. But I'm out on the street all

[2:33:44] the time. I see the nitty-gritty and the

[2:33:46] dirt and this is sorely needed and I

[2:33:49] hope you guys will consider it. Thank

[2:33:52] you very much.

[2:33:53] >> Thank you.

[2:33:55] Okay, Taylor, come on up.

[2:34:03] » Good evening. My name is Taylor Johnson.

[2:34:05] I live in Grand County. I'm here tonight

[2:34:07] as a local business owner and a member

[2:34:09] of this community. And I want to make

[2:34:10] something very clear. I support the

[2:34:12] shuttle pilot and I want to publicly

[2:34:14] thank Commissioner Brian Martinez, Bill

[2:34:16] Winfield, Melody McCandless, and Mike

[2:34:18] McCertie for being willing to support it

[2:34:19] and give it a fair chance. Brian

[2:34:22] deserves recognition for his leadership

[2:34:23] in helping bring this pilot forward. And

[2:34:26] I also want to recognize Bill, Melody,

[2:34:27] and Mike for standing behind it. I know

[2:34:30] there's been tremendous criticism

[2:34:31] surrounding this project. Those of us

[2:34:33] who support what you're trying to

[2:34:35] accomplish need to speak up, too. It's

[2:34:37] easy to criticize a new idea. It's

[2:34:39] harder to vote put one forward and

[2:34:42] ultimately be accountable for whether it

[2:34:44] succeeds or fails. I don't expect this

[2:34:46] pilot to be perfect. I expect it to be a

[2:34:48] pilot. I also want to briefly address

[2:34:50] the Arches reservation system. I did not

[2:34:53] agree with the conclusions presented

[2:34:54] about its impact. What we were being

[2:34:56] told did not match what I was seeing and

[2:34:58] hearing every day in my business. The

[2:35:01] complaints from tourists were huge. The

[2:35:03] later independent gardener study

[2:35:05] estimated approximately 170,000 fewer

[2:35:08] arch arches visitors per year under

[2:35:10] timed entry. Roughly a 14% reduction.

[2:35:14] That's significant. We tried

[2:35:16] reservations. We learned from them. Now

[2:35:18] let's try something different. A shuttle

[2:35:20] isn't a radical new idea. Shuttle

[2:35:22] transportation at Arches has been

[2:35:24] studied for years and similar systems

[2:35:26] operate in other national park

[2:35:27] communities. I also I also think people

[2:35:30] need to understand the funding. We're

[2:35:32] taking about approximately $3 million

[2:35:33] for season 1, but Grand County isn't

[2:35:35] putting up $3 million.

[2:35:37] Approximate approximately 1.5 million is

[2:35:41] federal funding. $1 million

[2:35:44] in is state funding through U DOT and

[2:35:46] Grant Countyy's commitment is 500,000.

[2:35:48] So roughly 83% comes from federal and

[2:35:50] state sources. For that local

[2:35:52] investment, let's give the pilot a

[2:35:54] legitimate opportunity to show us

[2:35:56] whether it works. That's what a pilot

[2:35:58] program is for. Try it. Measure the

[2:36:00] wrership. listen to tourists and

[2:36:02] businesses, look at the cost, fix what

[2:36:04] doesn't work, then decide based on

[2:36:06] actual results. I also want to address

[2:36:08] what happened at the August 4th meeting.

[2:36:10] I understand the commissioners who

[2:36:11] walked out had concerns about the

[2:36:13] process and the amount of time they had

[2:36:14] to review information. But when elected

[2:36:16] officials walk out during an important

[2:36:18] public issue, I believe the people who

[2:36:20] elected them deserve a clear

[2:36:21] explanation. If you disagree with the

[2:36:23] funding, tell us why. If you believe the

[2:36:25] process was wrong, tell us what should

[2:36:27] have been done differently. If you

[2:36:29] disagree with this the shuttle, tell us

[2:36:31] that, too. But stay engaged in

[2:36:33] conversation. We elected you to have a

[2:36:35] difficult discussion, especially when

[2:36:37] you disagree. We don't have to agree

[2:36:39] with every decision you make, but we

[2:36:40] should understand why you made it. And

[2:36:42] that's why I'm standing here tonight.

[2:36:44] The loudest voices do not necessarily

[2:36:46] represent the entire community. There

[2:36:48] are residents and business owners who

[2:36:49] support this pilot and appreciate what

[2:36:51] Brian Martinez, Bill Winfield, Melody

[2:36:53] McCandless, and Mike McCertie are trying

[2:36:54] to accomplish. And I'm one of them. I

[2:36:57] support accountability. I support

[2:36:59] transparency with our public money. And

[2:37:01] I support giving the shuttle pilot a

[2:37:02] legitimate, fair opportunity to succeed.

[2:37:05] Let's try it. Let's measure it honestly.

[2:37:07] And then let's let results speak for

[2:37:09] themselves. Thank you.

[2:37:11] >> Thank you.

[2:37:19] [laughter]

[2:37:21] » Hi, I'm Diane Foron. I'm a lifelong

[2:37:24] resident of Moab. I was actually born in

[2:37:26] Al Memorial Hospital. Several things

[2:37:30] that they're pretty brief and Taylor

[2:37:31] covered most of them. First of all, I

[2:37:34] want to thank I'm going to point him

[2:37:37] out, Bill, for working hard for that

[2:37:40] bike trail going down the river road. I

[2:37:44] know that it's an inconvenience right

[2:37:45] now, but I travel that road a lot and

[2:37:48] I've watched bikers get this close to

[2:37:50] being hit and killed, and it's not

[2:37:52] right. We have a lot of people on

[2:37:53] bicycles right now and they need to be

[2:37:55] protected and thank you so much for

[2:37:57] that. I also want to say I really

[2:38:00] appreciate the shuttle idea. I really

[2:38:02] do. I'm on a limited income. I'm old

[2:38:05] like but I'm on a limited income but I

[2:38:07] appreciate the shuttle idea and I

[2:38:09] realize where the funding is coming

[2:38:11] from. And so we all need to be a little

[2:38:13] bit more open with where that funding is

[2:38:15] coming from instead of just assuming

[2:38:16] it's on the taxator's shoulders.

[2:38:19] You know, our budget for the first time

[2:38:21] in four years, four years is a balanced

[2:38:25] budget which includes the shuttle cost.

[2:38:27] That's the first time that's happened.

[2:38:29] That's because revenues have gone up 35%

[2:38:31] in our county since the time to entry

[2:38:34] system stopped.

[2:38:36] I'm going to also comment. I watched the

[2:38:40] last county council meeting. I

[2:38:42] substitute teach middle school and high

[2:38:45] school. I know, go figure. I must have

[2:38:47] problem.

[2:38:49] I would never tolerate a child not being

[2:38:52] able to have an open discussion, having

[2:38:55] a temper tantrum, and walking out

[2:38:57] without, let's say, let's talk this out.

[2:39:00] These kids are learning this now. And

[2:39:02] they're learning by your examples. And

[2:39:04] if your example is that you're going to

[2:39:06] show them that we're not going to have

[2:39:08] this talk, we're just going to walk out.

[2:39:10] That is not an example we want to leave

[2:39:12] for our kids. We just don't want to.

[2:39:14] That's it. Thanks a lot.

[2:39:16] >> Thank you.

[2:39:19] All right. Um, come on up.

[2:39:26] » Hi, my name is Michael Wolf. I live in

[2:39:28] Moab and um, I've been having a hard

[2:39:32] time waking up lately because of all the

[2:39:35] horrible stuff going on in the world.

[2:39:37] And my wife tells me to be positive. So,

[2:39:40] in the interest of being positive, I I

[2:39:43] have some suggestions. a suggestion. I

[2:39:47] not a fan of the propo the shuttle pilot

[2:39:50] as it's being implemented right now. I

[2:39:52] think you all know that. But so since

[2:39:56] the commissioners now have entered the

[2:39:58] world of managing recreation on federal

[2:40:02] lands like the park service forest

[2:40:04] service, here's a suggestion. The budget

[2:40:08] for the park service has been

[2:40:10] dramatically cut. They've lost 25% of

[2:40:13] their employees. They don't even have

[2:40:15] anyone that can answer the phone when

[2:40:16] you call the Southeast Route. Right. So,

[2:40:20] I I I don't know if the county's already

[2:40:22] done this, but I would suggest that the

[2:40:25] county write a letter to our Utah

[2:40:28] representatives, Mr. Lee, Mr. Curtis and

[2:40:30] Kennedy and tell them to bring that

[2:40:33] funding back for these agencies because

[2:40:36] now that you are partners and you're

[2:40:38] working on this management, this

[2:40:40] proposed shuttle, I think you can see

[2:40:42] how funding is really important. So

[2:40:45] that's my one suggestion in being

[2:40:48] positive. I'm also I support fully

[2:40:51] funding Kylie Hoff Center as a victim

[2:40:54] advocate. I think that's a no-brainer.

[2:40:57] There's a great need for it. So that's

[2:40:58] all I had to say.

[2:41:00] Thank you.

[2:41:02] Okay. Yeah. Erin.

[2:41:10] » Hello everybody. Erin Lindberg. Um, you

[2:41:13] know, I I was watching with with the

[2:41:16] planning commission. You know, we passed

[2:41:17] several uh uh uh recommendations for up

[2:41:21] zones and then you guys uh voted them

[2:41:24] down. So, [clears throat] I met with

[2:41:26] several residents in that area, the Blue

[2:41:28] Vista area in the Zimmerland Lane, and I

[2:41:31] walked around, put some boots on the

[2:41:33] ground, and really [clears throat] just

[2:41:34] kind of got the vibe from out there. And

[2:41:37] then I saw that you guys did fund a

[2:41:39] $20,000

[2:41:41] uh study for out there. And one of the

[2:41:45] things I think, you know, Andrew brings

[2:41:47] this up at sever several of our

[2:41:49] commission meetings is the question is

[2:41:52] the county uh is it a rural county or is

[2:41:56] it an urban county? And what I really

[2:41:59] see the story going on out there is is

[2:42:01] like we now have in these kind of

[2:42:03] further ends of uh Spanish Valley, they

[2:42:06] were rural zones, but now they're

[2:42:08] neighborhoods and they're getting these

[2:42:10] and they're being used as such. like

[2:42:11] I've I I do a lot of work out there and

[2:42:14] I see, you know, there's a lot of

[2:42:16] residents uh out there and a lot of our

[2:42:19] professional classes and stuff are

[2:42:21] living out there and they have families

[2:42:23] and stuff and these areas are being used

[2:42:25] as neighborhoods like if you're

[2:42:27] basically what I'm getting at is like I

[2:42:30] don't know where you guys are at with

[2:42:32] that study, but I'm like oh there kids

[2:42:34] on bikes does trail mix need to like

[2:42:36] have a little pocket park um and not

[2:42:39] just like rural lots.

[2:42:41] that are uh you know kind of big

[2:42:44] distances. It's like oh they're they're

[2:42:46] kind of more dense than our neighborhood

[2:42:47] in Mountain View and we have little tiny

[2:42:49] parks and stuff. So that character is

[2:42:51] changing and I hope that study really

[2:42:54] helps with our development of that of

[2:42:56] that area because um you know uh

[2:42:59] residents were saying oh you know kids

[2:43:01] are playing on bikes and the average

[2:43:03] speed of of uh traffic going through

[2:43:06] here it's posted at 15 and they're going

[2:43:08] know over 30 40 miles per hour. So this

[2:43:11] is kind of I think a growing pain of our

[2:43:14] county uh on these questions and you

[2:43:17] know whenever you float ideas like well

[2:43:19] maybe you should annex into the city you

[2:43:21] know that's just a no-go because of the

[2:43:23] city tax ideas and stuff. So it's like

[2:43:26] people are kind of demanding uh or

[2:43:29] asking for kind of city level services

[2:43:31] in these counties and so you know

[2:43:33] where's Grand County direction going. So

[2:43:36] thank you.

[2:43:37] [clears throat]

[2:43:40] Thank you, Rory. And then we'll go to

[2:43:43] you.

[2:43:51] » Had to write some stuff down because

[2:43:53] I've got a lot to talk about, but I'm

[2:43:54] going to do it really as quick as I can.

[2:43:56] But good evening. Uh, my name is Rory

[2:43:58] Paxman,

[2:43:59] a resident of Grant County. Um, try to

[2:44:03] keep it brief here. Um, first off, thank

[2:44:06] you Mal, Bill, Mike, Mary, Ryan, Jock,

[2:44:11] and Trish. I appreciate all your hard

[2:44:14] work. I know how difficult it is. Um,

[2:44:19] I'm speaking on item [clears throat]

[2:44:20] number 13,

[2:44:22] the victim advocate position. This is uh

[2:44:25] something I strongly support.

[2:44:27] [clears throat] This victim ad advocate

[2:44:30] position serves as a and provides

[2:44:33] support for most vulnerable members of

[2:44:35] our community.

[2:44:38] Sorry. It's just really touches me

[2:44:41] because I was on the board when we first

[2:44:44] put this position in and I just hate to

[2:44:45] see it go away because I just know how

[2:44:47] good it is for our community. So, please

[2:44:50] find the money to support this.

[2:44:53] Uh second is um I'm glad to see that

[2:44:56] you're bringing back the um

[2:44:59] veros reszone. I'm glad to see it back

[2:45:02] on the consideration. Um there are

[2:45:05] concerns from uh locals that should be

[2:45:08] [clears throat] taken that should be

[2:45:09] taken in account. I also believe the

[2:45:13] cost like traffic study should be

[2:45:16] responsible of respons this

[2:45:19] responsibility of that should be from

[2:45:20] the the construction or the person put

[2:45:24] it in the subdivision.

[2:45:28] It shouldn't be put on the burden of the

[2:45:30] taxpayers. So, there's $20,000 right

[2:45:33] there that you can pull the victim's

[2:45:34] advocate.

[2:45:37] Um, also on the early agenda or the

[2:45:40] other meeting that you guys had earlier

[2:45:42] today, I really wanted to talk, but I

[2:45:44] didn't. You guys didn't have enough

[2:45:45] time. But I want you guys to know I

[2:45:48] support the sheriff's. I support um in

[2:45:52] jail.

[2:45:53] Um

[2:45:55] there is a few things that I have of

[2:45:57] concern. Um one was nobody mentioned

[2:46:00] what are we doing with this building?

[2:46:02] Are we going to have money to revamp

[2:46:04] this one if we keep this one? Because

[2:46:06] there was a couple different options

[2:46:08] there on the plate. So I just want you

[2:46:10] guys to look at that for the future. Um

[2:46:13] make sure you guys keep that in your

[2:46:15] minds. Um I just appreciate you. Thanks

[2:46:17] for the time. All

[2:46:23] right, come on up.

[2:46:27] » My name is Gary McDaniel, Grant County

[2:46:29] resident. I'm really bad at speaking in

[2:46:32] public.

[2:46:33] Um,

[2:46:35] something I wasn't planning on talking

[2:46:36] about, but overhearing the discussion

[2:46:39] about overtime with the employee that's

[2:46:40] dealing with the uh the new shuttle

[2:46:43] program and working on that. Sounds like

[2:46:45] there's already budget mission creep for

[2:46:47] the shuttle. if the county is looking at

[2:46:49] hiring an additional person. It was

[2:46:51] deflected by a few of the council people

[2:46:53] that it was state funded or largely

[2:46:56] state funded. We still live in Utah. We

[2:46:59] still pay taxes in Utah. That is still

[2:47:02] coming out of our pockets. Not

[2:47:03] exclusively ran county but the state

[2:47:06] broadly and we all contribute to that.

[2:47:08] So I feel like that's fairly

[2:47:10] disingenuous deflection.

[2:47:12] Um,

[2:47:15] old man glasses real quick.

[2:47:16] >> On your head. On your hat.

[2:47:18] >> There they all do it. I'm new to reading

[2:47:20] glasses. It's great. Um,

[2:47:24] the camp for tourism stuff. If people

[2:47:28] want to come and come here, stay. Great.

[2:47:30] Hopefully they're doing some hotels and

[2:47:31] camping and not nightly rentals and

[2:47:33] displacing locals. I've seen so many of

[2:47:35] my friends and so many people not be

[2:47:37] able to buy houses locally because of

[2:47:40] real estate prices exploding given the

[2:47:41] market. It's probably stagnant right

[2:47:43] now, but you know, I I make good money.

[2:47:46] My partner makes good money. We can't

[2:47:47] afford to buy a house.

[2:47:50] And it's just it's frankly ridiculous

[2:47:51] that people from out of state, out of

[2:47:53] town can make a mint on properties they

[2:47:56] buy that cater to tourists exclusively.

[2:47:58] It's just not fair.

[2:48:01] I've got I've got a lift here, so

[2:48:03] apologize. Um I'm also the guy that

[2:48:07] speaks to council people when I see him

[2:48:09] out and about. I saw Josh, you know,

[2:48:11] jock. sorry. At the trailer this

[2:48:12] morning, talked to him for for a few

[2:48:14] seconds. Um I'm at the hardware store

[2:48:17] far too many times a day and I was

[2:48:19] speaking to a council person recently

[2:48:21] about the dead horse that is artist

[2:48:23] timed entry and uh and that council

[2:48:27] person

[2:48:29] told me that timed entry

[2:48:33] was not counseledled due to county

[2:48:35] pressure. And that is frankly incredibly

[2:48:38] disingenuous. That council person told

[2:48:40] me that was a fully DOI decision, but it

[2:48:43] seems to be that we had plenty of

[2:48:46] council people that went to the DOI,

[2:48:48] went to National Park Service meetings,

[2:48:50] Brian Martinez, you know, especially,

[2:48:53] and and pressured the DOI for that. So,

[2:48:56] saying that the county had nothing to do

[2:48:57] with it is just frankly ridiculous.

[2:49:01] um spoke to another another council

[2:49:04] person, actually it's the same council

[2:49:06] person about uh the vote getting pushed

[2:49:08] through last week and that council

[2:49:10] person was not able to own their

[2:49:13] decision. They deflected it and put the

[2:49:15] decision on our county attorney, Steven

[2:49:18] Stoxs. Um, where I'm going with this is

[2:49:22] that if you make a a decision

[2:49:25] as a council person and you make you

[2:49:28] vote on those decisions, you need to own

[2:49:30] them. You can't back down or deflect it

[2:49:34] when you're in the public eye. You know,

[2:49:36] we all elected you and frankly, you

[2:49:40] answered us and we have the power to get

[2:49:42] you out of office. And I'm I'm looking

[2:49:44] so forward to getting so many of you out

[2:49:46] of office currently.

[2:49:48] Um,

[2:49:51] may I pay a council person a a

[2:49:53] compliment?

[2:49:56] >> Sure.

[2:49:56] >> Okay. Um, I'd like to congratulate Brian

[2:50:00] Martinez on his new appointment to

[2:50:03] the Colorado River Authority Board. Um,

[2:50:05] because after his uh firing from NAFTA

[2:50:08] under nefarious allegedly nefarious

[2:50:11] circumstances, you can

[2:50:12] >> we weren't sure he was going to land on

[2:50:14] street, but he has

[2:50:15] >> and then

[2:50:17] you're

[2:50:21] okay. Anybody else? Allison, come on up.

[2:50:30] Alison Matthysse, resident of Moab. Um,

[2:50:34] I came here prepared to talk about the

[2:50:36] quorum. I had printed out section G

[2:50:39] number, what is it, five, ready to read.

[2:50:41] I wasn't here when Miss McCandless uh

[2:50:44] said that she read things earlier. Um,

[2:50:46] and I'm glad that she did. However, I

[2:50:49] watched very carefully the last meeting

[2:50:51] and the people with the quorum um

[2:50:54] problems was not the entire commission

[2:50:56] and a previous woman mentioned that

[2:50:58] she'd been a teacher while I was in

[2:51:00] classrooms for many years both at the

[2:51:01] front and as a student and also I'm a

[2:51:04] member of society and that means if

[2:51:06] you're an adult that if there's a group

[2:51:08] you don't say oh the group is having a

[2:51:10] problem when it might be one or two

[2:51:12] people and last meaning it was one or

[2:51:15] two people also you just allowed

[2:51:18] gentleman to make a compliment but not

[2:51:20] describe something negative. That

[2:51:22] doesn't seem right. Our first amendment

[2:51:24] rights are to are for free speech and to address the government for

[2:51:29] redress of grievances. So does that mean

[2:51:31] we can only compliment commissioners?

[2:51:34] How wrong is that? How frankly

[2:51:36] unamerican is that? And yeah, you can

[2:51:39] hear my voice because I'm very upset

[2:51:41] about this. So I have quotes from last

[2:51:44] commission meeting and this is Mr.

[2:51:46] Winfield talking at approximately on the

[2:51:48] time stamp of 328

[2:51:51] 32803. Mr. Winfield said, "You know, I'm

[2:51:53] always amazed at the level of

[2:51:55] professional professionalism by other

[2:51:57] commissions on on this board and by the

[2:51:59] hypocrisy that goes on in this room. How

[2:52:02] does that meet your standard of

[2:52:03] decorum?"

[2:52:05] And it'll talk about um hypocrisy. Mr.

[2:52:09] um uh Winfield likes to say that that

[2:52:12] other commissioners have problems in

[2:52:15] their behavior. You know, this level of

[2:52:17] com uh of professionalism on 519, uh

[2:52:21] Commissioner Hading said, I'm going to

[2:52:23] ask Brian a question on and on. And then

[2:52:26] she says, um

[2:52:29] uh let me find it.

[2:52:35] the narrative like of like this where

[2:52:38] this was hatched, you know, been working

[2:52:40] on da da da. Mr. Winfield

[2:52:44] basically attacked Commissioner Hadine

[2:52:47] based on using the word hatch. Hatch is

[2:52:50] a pretty common word. It doesn't have

[2:52:52] negative connotations the way Mr.

[2:52:55] Winfield and if that's the best that Mr.

[2:52:57] Winfield has about commissioner Sadine's

[2:53:01] behavior.

[2:53:02] It's the mountain out of Mobile. Also,

[2:53:04] he states that um at 32853, we have

[2:53:09] citizens coming here that have been

[2:53:10] quote misinformed by commissioners about

[2:53:12] this commission. Um what's the evidence

[2:53:16] for this misinformation? He is making an

[2:53:19] accusation and not supporting it with

[2:53:22] anything else. Also, last meeting, uh, Ute, Miss McCandless, uh, made a

[2:53:27] pretty serious accusation about fraud,

[2:53:29] and you just said, "Oh, I'm just

[2:53:31] throwing this out there." Which is

[2:53:32] exactly it's a rhetorical trick that

[2:53:34] someone wants to do to make plausible

[2:53:36] deniability. So, you

[2:53:40] charge your fellow commissioners and

[2:53:43] other county level officials with fraud.

[2:53:47] How does that fit with the quorum?

[2:53:51] Oh, thank you for your um civil,

[2:53:53] constructive, and focused comments,

[2:53:55] Alison.

[2:53:57] Anyone else in the audience like to

[2:53:59] speak?

[2:54:00] I want to pee.

[2:54:08] My name is Pete Gross. That's a tough

[2:54:10] act to follow.

[2:54:13] So, I have a lot of questions which I

[2:54:15] know you can't answer, so consider them

[2:54:17] rhetorical.

[2:54:19] Um, first of all, citizens to be heard.

[2:54:21] Why did we limit it to just 5:00 an

[2:54:25] approximate time when before is four

[2:54:26] o'clock and six o'clock? You'd think

[2:54:28] you'd want to make it easier for

[2:54:29] citizens to provide you feedback rather

[2:54:32] than more challenging and and less uh

[2:54:34] definitive.

[2:54:36] Regarding the Burzone, um, again, did we get it wrong the last time? Did

[2:54:41] the original developers of the Grand

[2:54:43] County zoning map get it wrong?

[2:54:46] More importantly perhaps, do we even

[2:54:48] have enough water for all the all the

[2:54:50] development in the pipeline? As you

[2:54:53] know, even the county planning

[2:54:54] commission has presented this

[2:54:56] information that we might need to we

[2:54:58] have some water conservation acts and

[2:55:00] they're also thinking about, oh, we can

[2:55:01] just stick a straw into the Colorado

[2:55:03] River, which is not exactly a good idea

[2:55:06] since we don't even have the water

[2:55:08] right. We if we have the water rights,

[2:55:09] they're very junior to just about every

[2:55:11] other user.

[2:55:12] Um,

[2:55:14] oh, and we're talking about the board

[2:55:16] resone, are the property owners in

[2:55:19] adjacent property?

[2:55:21] Do they have an expectation of having

[2:55:24] the zoning that they bought into or now

[2:55:26] they might be faced with a new zoning?

[2:55:29] Okay. Probably the thing I want to echo,

[2:55:31] actually, I'd like to echo what Rory

[2:55:32] Paxman mentioned. Kylie Hoffsteader is

[2:55:36] seeking full funding for a victim

[2:55:38] advocate.

[2:55:39] She comes highly recommended by people

[2:55:42] that I know and respect.

[2:55:44] I view it as an investment, not an

[2:55:46] expense. It's if you were if you were a

[2:55:49] private investor, you'd look at this.

[2:55:50] Wow, this is a really high rate of

[2:55:51] return.

[2:55:56] Okay, one last comment.

[2:55:59] I get a little choked up. My oldest

[2:56:01] sister left her second husband after she

[2:56:04] got her nose broke. She would have

[2:56:06] benefited greatly from the map. Thank

[2:56:09] you.

[2:56:11] >> Thank you. Anyone else?

[2:56:22] » Good afternoon. My name is Carrie Davney

[2:56:24] and I'm a resident of Grand County and I

[2:56:27] would like to highlight the importance

[2:56:28] of the victim advocate position and the

[2:56:30] critical role it serves in our

[2:56:31] community. A victim advocate helps

[2:56:33] ensure that impacted individuals

[2:56:35] understand the criminal justice process

[2:56:37] while providing guidance and support as

[2:56:39] they navigate an incredibly difficult

[2:56:41] and delicate time in their lives. Having

[2:56:43] this as a full-time position within the

[2:56:45] county attorney's office helps ensure

[2:56:47] these individuals receive timely

[2:56:48] information, updates, and support

[2:56:51] throughout their case. With an increased

[2:56:53] budget and adequate resources, the

[2:56:54] victim advocate would also have greater

[2:56:56] ability to respond on scene when

[2:56:58] approving

[2:57:01] followup and offer continued support as

[2:57:03] individuals move through the process.

[2:57:05] Investing in this position is ultimately

[2:57:07] an investment in ensuring that impacted

[2:57:09] people in our community feel informed,

[2:57:12] supported, and connected to the

[2:57:13] resources they need during some of the

[2:57:15] most challenging moments of their lives.

[2:57:17] So, thank you.

[2:57:18] >> Thank you.

[2:57:30] I'm Susie Johnston and I live here in

[2:57:32] the county through here. I don't know if

[2:57:35] that makes any difference, but just so

[2:57:36] you know, um, you guys get attacked a

[2:57:39] lot and I don't think you deserve it. I

[2:57:42] just wanted to thank you for some of the

[2:57:43] things that you've done for business

[2:57:45] this year and maybe get it on the record

[2:57:47] somehow. Um, got to get my glasses.

[2:57:52] I'm really very excited that you balance

[2:57:55] the budget without increasing property

[2:57:57] tax taxes. Really excited because when

[2:58:01] you increase property taxes, businesses

[2:58:03] bear the burden the most and it makes it

[2:58:04] so they can't hire people, they can't

[2:58:06] give people raises, and they can't

[2:58:08] expand away. And I absolutely love the

[2:58:12] Moab area affordable housing plan. It's

[2:58:15] awesome, especially after all the years

[2:58:18] that people ran on ran for office on

[2:58:21] providing housing and nothing ever

[2:58:22] happened for years.

[2:58:26] And the problem is, of course, that

[2:58:28] businesses can't do their business if

[2:58:30] they can't employees

[2:58:34] because employees can't find housing. So

[2:58:36] now the Moab area affordable housing

[2:58:39] plan helps to change zoning and impact

[2:58:42] excessive fees so that lowincome housing

[2:58:44] is finally getting built in Moab and you

[2:58:46] can see it. Oh, thank you guys for that.

[2:58:49] That's awesome.

[2:58:51] The pilot show for Arches is an effort

[2:58:54] to make the visitor experience more

[2:58:55] enjoyable which can keep people coming

[2:58:57] to Moab. Since tourism is basically our

[2:59:00] only industry, anything you can do to

[2:59:02] help tourism helps our town. $50 per

[2:59:06] residence, which is what the county is

[2:59:07] paying for the shuttle, doesn't seem so

[2:59:10] much if you consider it an investment in

[2:59:12] our economy, which of course it is. This

[2:59:15] isn't the first shuttle to be tried in a

[2:59:16] park, and it sounds like Arches is in

[2:59:18] favor of a shuttle system. Sometimes it

[2:59:22] takes trial and error to find out what

[2:59:24] works, and that's why we have pilot

[2:59:25] programs. It works in other places, so

[2:59:28] it's worth trying here. And I thank you

[2:59:30] guys for all we do for our community.

[2:59:32] Anyone

[2:59:34] else?

[2:59:36] >> You know, we can't do two.

[2:59:38] >> You can't do two. Sorry.

[2:59:40] You can email us though. And you can

[2:59:42] always email us at

[2:59:43] commissiongrount.utahutah.gov.

[2:59:45] >> Okay.

[2:59:46] >> And you can also Yeah. Anytime you have

[2:59:48] questions that you actually want a

[2:59:49] response from, you can email us there

[2:59:51] because we can't speak back to you. Um,

[2:59:53] is there anyone else that wants to speak

[2:59:56] in the audience? We don't have anybody

[2:59:57] online, so we're going to go ahead and

[2:59:59] move along. All right. We're going to

[3:00:01] move along to number nine, which is an

[3:00:04] ordinance amending the 2026 consolidated

[3:00:08] band county fee schedule.

[3:00:12] » Oh goodness. Am I doing this one?

[3:00:14] >> How's your name on it?

[3:00:15] >> Goodness.

[3:00:21] Sorry, I don't have it printed out, but

[3:00:22] there were changes to the clerk's office

[3:00:26] budget

[3:00:27] where we've

[3:00:29] added in ground requests

[3:00:32] in compliance with state statute as

[3:00:34] amended. Um, the recorders, what did I

[3:00:37] say?

[3:00:37] >> Don't take

[3:00:39] >> Yeah.

[3:00:40] >> And a couple of OA fees got changed and

[3:00:42] the reporter's office changed the fees.

[3:00:44] It's very minimal and they're in red in

[3:00:46] the packet.

[3:00:47] Any questions?

[3:00:49] >> Any questions, Mike?

[3:00:50] >> Statement. I was the renter of the dump

[3:00:52] tank. Thank you. I' I'd love to pay for

[3:00:54] that. Uh two,

[3:00:57] I I'd like to make the motion. I move to

[3:01:00] approve the ordinance repealing and

[3:01:02] replacing ordinance 728 with updated

[3:01:04] Grand County consolidated fee schedule.

[3:01:07] >> I'll second.

[3:01:08] >> So Mike and then Bill had a second. Any

[3:01:11] more discussion or questions?

[3:01:14] No. Seeing none, call for a vote. Those

[3:01:16] in favor?

[3:01:18] >> I.

[3:01:19] >> Okay, that passes. Six with one absent.

[3:01:23] Commissioner.

[3:01:26] >> All right, we're moving on to number 10,

[3:01:28] consideration of an emergency purchase.

[3:01:30] >> Chair, I'm sorry. There were a couple of

[3:01:33] other changes in the fee schedule. Uh,

[3:01:36] one was the admin fees,

[3:01:39] also the special service districts.

[3:01:42] >> They're all read in the packet. Yes, I

[3:01:44] think everyone's had that information.

[3:01:46] So, it's still pretty

[3:01:49] >> Thank you.

[3:01:50] >> It's not in the packet. Those those

[3:01:52] >> are not in the packet.

[3:01:57] » Right.

[3:02:02] We'll add them in the packet or will we

[3:02:03] have to do those later? Attorney did

[3:02:07] those later. Yeah, we can do it.

[3:02:08] >> Yeah, I'm just going to do those later.

[3:02:09] So, they were not included in the

[3:02:11] packet. We're not going to include them.

[3:02:12] We can vote on them at a different time

[3:02:14] and they'll have to be at public hearing

[3:02:15] as well on those. So, okay. Because

[3:02:18] yeah, they weren't included at public

[3:02:19] hearing either.

[3:02:22] All right, we're moving on to number 10,

[3:02:24] which is the consideration of emergency

[3:02:26] purchase of civic plus media meetings.

[3:02:30] And this is well, it's the

[3:02:32] administrative office. It could be you

[3:02:33] or Mark.

[3:02:47] So due to some unfortunate

[3:02:48] circumstances, we had our YouTube

[3:02:51] account briefly suspended. Um we've

[3:02:54] taken some pretty big steps to ensure

[3:02:56] that that doesn't happen again.

[3:02:57] Obviously our YouTube channel is back.

[3:02:58] We're on YouTube right now. Um there is

[3:03:02] an option. So, if you guys remember, we

[3:03:04] had Civic

[3:03:09] Plus Civic. I can't remember what the

[3:03:10] original agenda packet was when the

[3:03:12] agenda was just all in a PDF form. In

[3:03:14] 22, we adopted the Civic Clerk software

[3:03:16] add-on that enables us to put the agenda

[3:03:19] online with all the links that you click

[3:03:21] and see all the packet information that

[3:03:23] is not generated manually. Thank you

[3:03:25] very much for approving that expense and

[3:03:27] the ongoing expenditure of that. It

[3:03:29] dramatically decreases the packet

[3:03:30] generation workload.

[3:03:32] Um, we did at that time look into a

[3:03:35] module called civic media that allows us

[3:03:39] to stream the med the commission

[3:03:41] meetings in addition not only to YouTube

[3:03:43] but to our brand county website as well

[3:03:47] because civic media is an add-on to

[3:03:48] Civic Plus which is who provides our

[3:03:50] website.

[3:03:52] This solves a couple of problems, but

[3:03:56] the big one that it solves is that if we

[3:03:58] ever have any problem or troubles

[3:03:59] backing up our videos, we are under

[3:04:02] contract with Civic Media to host and

[3:04:05] store those videos. And we confirmed in

[3:04:08] the walkthrough demonstration last week

[3:04:10] that the there is no limit on the amount

[3:04:13] of videos that we can store or the

[3:04:15] amount of minutes that can be streamed.

[3:04:17] Um,

[3:04:19] and we are not at the whim of a

[3:04:21] corporation with whom we have no

[3:04:23] contract, which is what YouTube is. So,

[3:04:25] uh, this is $5,500 per year plus $850

[3:04:29] setup fee. It would be about four weeks

[3:04:31] to implement. Once implemented, you'd be

[3:04:33] able to click on the agenda and actually

[3:04:34] stream the meeting from the actual

[3:04:36] agenda page itself. It would appear in a

[3:04:39] small corner. There's a few different

[3:04:40] ways we can implement that. And I do I

[3:04:42] do think our intention right now is to

[3:04:43] keep the YouTube channel as well, but

[3:04:45] this allows us a backup in case the

[3:04:47] YouTube chat does go away. And I can

[3:04:50] answer most questions on it. I think has

[3:04:52] any

[3:04:54] >> twofold here. I'd move to approve the

[3:04:56] emergency purchase of civic plus media

[3:04:58] module to live stream county meetings on

[3:05:01] the Grand County website. And if I get a

[3:05:05] second by Bill

[3:05:07] >> uh comment with that too. Uh, I heard

[3:05:10] when YouTube went down or we got taken

[3:05:12] off YouTube uh quite literally to my

[3:05:15] phone from several of our constituents.

[3:05:17] So, this is a no-brainer.

[3:05:20] >> And I will say that we've discussed this

[3:05:21] in our monthly leadership meetings and

[3:05:23] Dana and I have come up with a few

[3:05:24] different protocols. Um, we're going to

[3:05:26] try and encourage everyone

[3:05:29] to more strictly adhere to our Zoom

[3:05:31] meeting protocols. Obviously, this is

[3:05:32] something we take very seriously. Most

[3:05:34] of you aware of the important event. We

[3:05:36] don't want that to happen. Obviously,

[3:05:38] it's so we're trying our best.

[3:05:41] >> Yeah,

[3:05:42] >> I agree. In the name of transparency and

[3:05:44] keeping everything in in house and just

[3:05:47] making all of this uh all these

[3:05:49] important meetings available to to our

[3:05:51] constituents. This is a easy one

[3:05:53] >> and and I will say that um it took us a

[3:05:56] solid week to get an actual response and

[3:05:59] thanks to Matt for getting that done. He

[3:06:00] reached out to some of his contacts at

[3:06:02] YouTube or at Google and then

[3:06:04] subsequently YouTube to actually get

[3:06:06] that resolved. I I was reach a real

[3:06:08] person. So, our civic costs keep going

[3:06:12] up. But I do think this solves a problem

[3:06:14] that we have.

[3:06:16] >> It'll be easier for constituents. I

[3:06:19] struggle to find things on YouTube that

[3:06:21] are older. So, I think that be nice.

[3:06:23] >> Yeah, this will link the individual

[3:06:24] video to the agenda.

[3:06:26] >> Yeah, it's kind of cool that way.

[3:06:28] >> Thank you. All right. So, we have a

[3:06:31] motion and a second. All Any more

[3:06:33] discussion? All in favor?

[3:06:36] All right.

[3:06:37] >> Okay, that passes 70. Thank you. All

[3:06:40] right. Number 11 is the consideration of

[3:06:43] 25,00 sorry, $2,500 in matching support

[3:06:48] for the promised baby and new early

[3:06:50] childhood programs. And Commissioner

[3:06:52] Martinez, do you want to this?

[3:06:54] >> Yeah, I'll go ahead and introduce it

[3:06:55] real quick. So, our village is piloting

[3:06:58] a Promise Baby and You. Uh, it's a free

[3:07:01] 9-week workshop series for parents of

[3:07:03] children ages 0 to three. Um, it's been

[3:07:07] developed through Promise Partnership in

[3:07:08] Utah and it will be uh starting here in

[3:07:11] Grand County this fall. Um, so while the

[3:07:14] parents receive the training, their

[3:07:16] children are provided meals on-site

[3:07:18] child care and every family that

[3:07:20] completes the course receives a seated

[3:07:23] $500 uh my uh 529 college savings

[3:07:27] account for their child. Um, the

[3:07:29] requested $2,500 uh funds the art

[3:07:32] supplies and learning supplies for the

[3:07:34] children's program to run along each

[3:07:36] session. I just wanted to make sure uh

[3:07:38] thanks for letting me present that. I

[3:07:40] just wanted to let the community know

[3:07:42] that this program was going to be coming

[3:07:44] available this fall.

[3:07:46] >> You know, I wanted to comment a little

[3:07:47] bit more on this program because um my

[3:07:50] priority number six in the chair's

[3:07:52] priority statement is economic mobility

[3:07:54] and promise partnership and uh Utah's

[3:07:58] promise organization, the 211 of Utah.

[3:08:00] They focus specifically on cradle to

[3:08:02] career education. So removing barriers

[3:08:04] and improving access to basic needs

[3:08:06] through data-driven community

[3:08:08] partnerships. They have four other pro

[3:08:10] they have other programs as well. So

[3:08:12] this is the first is that that baby

[3:08:13] program. They also have a promise

[3:08:16] student advocates where students are

[3:08:17] working with other students on a peer

[3:08:19] level CTE pathways and community

[3:08:23] information exchange. So there's other

[3:08:25] pieces of this program that we're hoping

[3:08:27] to bring into our community as well. And

[3:08:29] I think this is a really great

[3:08:30] partnership and I really appreciate

[3:08:31] Brian and Bill and Melissa on all their

[3:08:34] work on this project.

[3:08:38] All right.

[3:08:39] >> What account are we Yeah.

[3:08:40] >> Oh, account are we paying this out of?

[3:08:44] >> I think it says commission

[3:08:45] discretionary, doesn't it?

[3:08:47] >> And it also says general fund

[3:08:49] >> Oh, thank you. Yeah, you're correct.

[3:08:53] >> How much do we have in our

[3:08:54] discretionary?

[3:08:56] >> So, we have a print out in front of us.

[3:08:58] >> The discretionary balance is $8,395.15.

[3:09:03] And if you if you wish to take the Civic

[3:09:06] Plus out of that, you have about 2,800

[3:09:09] left,

[3:09:11] but you could take this 2500 out of if

[3:09:13] you would like,

[3:09:14] >> but there's some that's already been

[3:09:15] allotted to um information as well,

[3:09:18] right? That that amount doesn't is

[3:09:21] what's left in that account, but not

[3:09:24] been allocated as well.

[3:09:25] >> Did we vote to take the Civic Plus out

[3:09:28] of there? No. specific cost will figure

[3:09:30] out what are you getting paid.

[3:09:33] >> Okay.

[3:09:34] I recommend a $2,500 grant match

[3:09:37] for the our baby and you program from

[3:09:39] the commission discretionary account.

[3:09:43] >> Am I right?

[3:09:45] Any more discussion?

[3:09:47] >> I have a question, Mel.

[3:09:49] >> Okay.

[3:09:50] >> And Brian, is this just a one time one

[3:09:53] time expenditure? It's not going to be

[3:09:55] yearly. It's just a grant match.

[3:09:58] Um, I'm not sure if the uh if the it is

[3:10:01] a pilot program, so we'll have to see

[3:10:02] how it works and if it's going to be

[3:10:04] successful. I'm sure that we'll see it

[3:10:06] again next year.

[3:10:08] >> Okay. And then that being said, was it I

[3:10:10] think it was one of you brought forth

[3:10:13] this idea of like if we're going to have

[3:10:16] and maybe maybe I'm just making this up,

[3:10:18] but I feel like we've had the discussion

[3:10:20] of these entities that we are supporting

[3:10:23] that we wanted to kind of formalize that

[3:10:26] process. And I'm not talking about

[3:10:28] tonight. I'm fine with this one if it's

[3:10:30] just a one-time match. But if we are

[3:10:32] going to, you know, put these people on

[3:10:34] basically as a line item of our budget

[3:10:37] that we're going to have a formal

[3:10:38] process like here's who we're supporting

[3:10:40] and why. Um, so I'm just kind of

[3:10:42] bringing that up. I'm I'm supportive of

[3:10:44] this. Um, the other thing I want to

[3:10:46] state is is I appreciate that somebody I

[3:10:49] can't remember talked about the

[3:10:51] discretionary fund. I just want to kind

[3:10:53] of make sure that we don't over um

[3:10:55] extend that budget. So it's great to

[3:10:56] know that that's within budget. Thank

[3:10:58] you.

[3:11:00] >> I do want to comment that I think the

[3:11:01] discretionary fund is done. I mean I

[3:11:03] don't know that we can fund anything

[3:11:04] else out of it by looking at the

[3:11:07] numbers. So

[3:11:08] >> it's John Kas if I may.

[3:11:10] >> Yeah.

[3:11:11] >> I think it's likely that the civic

[3:11:12] medium.

[3:11:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. So don't plan on finding

[3:11:16] anything else out of the discretionary

[3:11:18] in my there's not much. All right. So we

[3:11:22] had a first and a second.

[3:11:24] Any other discussion? All right, we'll

[3:11:27] go ahead and vote. All in favor?

[3:11:30] >> I

[3:11:31] >> that passes 7 zero.

[3:11:35] And our next one, thank you for being so

[3:11:38] patient in the audience. Um, as we have

[3:11:40] Amanda and Elizabeth from Four Corners

[3:11:43] Behavioral Health and we're doing the

[3:11:46] proclamation of the September 2026

[3:11:50] suicide prevention

[3:11:53] and last year you wanted one of us to

[3:11:55] read out loud and we could do that

[3:11:56] again. I would love so much if it could

[3:11:58] be read out loud. I know that it's

[3:11:59] wordy. I'm a wordy person, but it does

[3:12:02] just um open the door for conversation

[3:12:04] and uh opportunity to make connections

[3:12:07] within the community when they hear the

[3:12:08] language that's behind the proclamation.

[3:12:10] So, I would be honored if you could read

[3:12:12] it out loud before we talk about it

[3:12:14] more.

[3:12:14] >> Happy to read it unless someone else

[3:12:16] wanted to. Jo. Okay, sure. Go ahead.

[3:12:18] >> So, this is the the whereas right

[3:12:20] suicide prevention awareness month

[3:12:21] proclamation. Okay. Proclamation. a

[3:12:24] proclamation by the county commissioners

[3:12:25] of Grand County, Utah, proclaiming

[3:12:27] September 2026 to be suicide prevention

[3:12:31] and awareness month. Whereas the state

[3:12:33] of Utah has consistently been in the top

[3:12:35] states for suicide deaths since 2012,

[3:12:38] currently 11th in the nation versus 2025

[3:12:40] reporting of seventh. And whereas

[3:12:43] Carbon, Emery, and Grand counties often

[3:12:45] lead the state of Utah on suicide deaths

[3:12:46] per capita. And whereas people who lose

[3:12:50] their loved ones to suicide are at a 30%

[3:12:52] higher risk of ending their lives by

[3:12:53] suicide as a learned coping mechanism

[3:12:55] and learned behavior. And whereas the

[3:12:59] risk of suicide can be reduced through

[3:13:01] awareness, proper evidence-based

[3:13:03] training, including self uh messaging,

[3:13:06] educational resources, resources, and

[3:13:09] treatment. And whereas according to the

[3:13:11] American Foundation for Suicide

[3:13:12] Prevention Statistics, suicide is the

[3:13:14] first leading cause of death among Utons

[3:13:16] aged 15 to 24.

[3:13:19] And it was second in 2025. The second

[3:13:21] leading cause of death among ages 25 to

[3:13:24] 34, no change. Second for ages 35 to 44,

[3:13:28] no change. Fourth for ages 45 to 54, no

[3:13:31] change. Sixth for ages 55 to 64, which

[3:13:35] has the highest rate of suicide. fourth

[3:13:38] in 2025 and seventh for ages 65 and

[3:13:41] older, which was 18th in 2025. And

[3:13:44] whereas suicide has ripple effects that

[3:13:46] affect everyone, suicide is everyone's

[3:13:48] business, talking about suicide does not

[3:13:50] plant the idea of self harm. And suicide

[3:13:53] is one of the most preventable deaths

[3:13:54] that can be eradicated by one, learning

[3:13:57] the warning signs of depression and

[3:13:58] suicidal ideiation. Two, knowing how and

[3:14:01] when to ask about one's suicidal

[3:14:03] thoughts. Three, being aware of

[3:14:06] self-saving measures such as safe safe

[3:14:08] storage of firearms and medications. And

[3:14:11] four, familiarizing ourselves with the

[3:14:13] resources available locally such as Four

[3:14:15] Corners Community Behavioral Health

[3:14:17] statewide such as live on Utah and

[3:14:20] nationwide such as calling or texting

[3:14:22] 988 the suicide and crisis lifeline.

[3:14:27] Now therefore, we Grand County

[3:14:28] Commissioners Hadler, Haden, Martinez,

[3:14:31] McCandless, Chair Mccandas, McCertie,

[3:14:34] Man, and Vice Chair Winfield, on this

[3:14:37] 18th day of August, 2026, do hereby

[3:14:39] proclaim September 26 to be suicide

[3:14:42] prevention and awareness month in the

[3:14:44] county of Grant and encourage all

[3:14:46] residents of Grant County to recognize

[3:14:48] how serious suicide is and the steps

[3:14:50] each of us can take to protect those

[3:14:52] around us from this preventable tragedy,

[3:14:55] one with devastating generational and

[3:14:57] communitywide effects. Thank you all for

[3:15:00] your work on this.

[3:15:02] >> Go ahead. Um I have Mike,

[3:15:06] » I don't don't want me to take it. This hits us all. It's hard to keep a

[3:15:10] straight face up here making this motion

[3:15:12] uh as it's touched my family uh a little

[3:15:15] too much. Um in that I move to proclaim

[3:15:18] September 2026 to be suicide prevention

[3:15:22] and awareness month.

[3:15:24] Second.

[3:15:25] >> Okay. and Edwards.

[3:15:27] >> All right. Any other discussion?

[3:15:30] >> I would just like to invite all of you

[3:15:32] to a couple of events that we have

[3:15:34] happening in Grant County to commemorate

[3:15:36] September Suicide Prevention Awareness

[3:15:39] Month. They were included in the packet

[3:15:41] that I sent to to Dana. But um uh the

[3:15:44] first one is on World Suicide Prevention

[3:15:46] Day, which happens every year on

[3:15:48] September 10th. Um this year it will be

[3:15:50] held at Swany Park. Um Beth will be

[3:15:52] facilitating that and it's an

[3:15:54] opportunity, a free opportunity for

[3:15:56] community members who have lost a loved

[3:15:58] one to suicide to gather with other lost

[3:16:00] survivors in the community and create a

[3:16:03] community within a community of support

[3:16:04] and love and hope. Um, we we offer uh

[3:16:08] battery operated candles and at 8

[3:16:11] o'clock worldwide in respected time

[3:16:13] zones, a light a candle is lit in honor

[3:16:16] of our loved ones because although they

[3:16:18] may not be walking beside us physically

[3:16:20] here on earth, their light never dims as

[3:16:22] long as we remember them and give them

[3:16:24] um give their legacy a name. The second

[3:16:28] event is happening on the last Saturday

[3:16:30] of September, September 26th. Um again

[3:16:33] it's uh no excuse me it's at Grand

[3:16:35] County High School. Um we are doing the

[3:16:38] second annual um walk for the American

[3:16:41] Foundation for Suicide Prevention. It

[3:16:43] too is a free event and everybody is

[3:16:46] encouraged to register by going to

[3:16:47] afsp.orgab org/moab

[3:16:51] and uh again it's another opportunity to

[3:16:54] bring our community together whether you

[3:16:56] are a loss survivor, somebody who has

[3:16:58] survived a suicide attempt or are

[3:17:01] support supporting a loved one who is

[3:17:03] currently in a mental health crisis to

[3:17:05] come together, learn resources, hear

[3:17:07] from amazing inspirational uh speakers

[3:17:11] and uh do a do a walk that just

[3:17:14] commemorates the the love and the uh

[3:17:17] again the legacy of the loved ones that

[3:17:19] we have lost to suicide. There are a lot

[3:17:22] of things that the that Four Corners

[3:17:24] Community for Labor Health are doing by

[3:17:26] way of helping our community here in

[3:17:27] Moab and beyond for suicide prevention.

[3:17:30] Um I'm doing all the talking. Beth is so

[3:17:33] used to this. Um, Beth, I don't know if

[3:17:36] you know, is a new member of the

[3:17:37] American Foundation for Suicide

[3:17:39] Prevention board, Utah board, which is

[3:17:41] huge for Grant County, because that

[3:17:43] means that there are nationwide

[3:17:44] resources being streamed in in our

[3:17:47] community where the the funding for

[3:17:49] suicide prevention is so so little. So,

[3:17:51] with that partnership with the American

[3:17:53] Foundation for Suicide Prevention, we

[3:17:55] are um able to offer educational

[3:17:58] resources. We are able to offer free

[3:18:00] suicide prevention trainings. And

[3:18:02] because of uh the the grant money that

[3:18:04] we have through Four Corners Community

[3:18:06] Behavioral Health, those means

[3:18:07] restrictions that are that are noted in

[3:18:10] the proclamation are free for our

[3:18:11] community. So we have gun locks, we have

[3:18:13] gun safes, we have biometric handgun

[3:18:16] safes coming to a neighborhood near you

[3:18:18] soon, soon as I can get them labeled.

[3:18:19] And um also we have medication lock

[3:18:22] boxes and bags. And so if anybody in the

[3:18:25] community is worried about a loved one,

[3:18:26] please do not hesitate to reach out to

[3:18:28] four corners or calling, texting, uh

[3:18:31] chatting online with 988, that will get

[3:18:33] you in touch with our local mobile

[3:18:35] crisis outreach team and we will get

[3:18:38] those u mean safety right into your

[3:18:40] hands. We will get you a grant to

[3:18:42] deliver those. So um thank you so much

[3:18:44] for your time this evening. I told you

[3:18:46] I'm worthy. You know this, sir.

[3:18:51] >> What would you repeat that number? 988.

[3:18:54] >> I thought that's what you said. Yes.

[3:18:56] Okay.

[3:18:57] >> Can you please uh forward the event

[3:18:59] information? I'd love to help get the

[3:19:00] word out for you.

[3:19:01] >> Excellent.

[3:19:02] >> Uh just commission.

[3:19:03] >> Okay. Yep. Um I believe it was a part of

[3:19:05] the original proclamation, but I will

[3:19:07] I'm more than happy to send it out

[3:19:08] again.

[3:19:11] >> Thank you all so very much.

[3:19:12] >> Thank you. We appreciate you a minute

[3:19:14] now.

[3:19:16] >> Excellent. So I just defer to her. But

[3:19:19] we didn't have questions feel free.

[3:19:23] >> I guess I should let you finish doing

[3:19:24] your part. It's fine. [laughter]

[3:19:26] Elizabeth, did you have anything you

[3:19:27] wanted to add?

[3:19:28] >> No, I I was just saying uh Amanda is our

[3:19:31] suicide prevention liaison. She is the

[3:19:33] expert. Um so I defer to her. Um but I'm

[3:19:37] happy to field any questions. You can

[3:19:39] reach out to me at any time. Just Yeah.

[3:19:43] Great. Thank you. Okay. So we have a a

[3:19:46] first and a second for this

[3:19:48] proclamation. So all in favor

[3:19:51] >> I

[3:19:52] >> and that passes 70. Not that we had any

[3:19:55] worries that

[3:19:58] I had somebody asked the other night

[3:19:59] what if what if they said no and I said

[3:20:01] well then I'm going to catch some

[3:20:02] charges. No, I'm just kidding.

[3:20:04] >> I'm totally kidding.

[3:20:08] » Thank you all so much.

[3:20:09] >> Thank you commissioners.

[3:20:11] >> Thank you. see you guys at these events.

[3:20:13] And

[3:20:14] >> yes, thanks.

[3:20:15] >> Okay,

[3:20:17] >> moving on to number 13, which is the

[3:20:21] consideration of reclassification of the

[3:20:24] Grand County

[3:20:26] um attorney's office victim advocate. I

[3:20:29] don't even know what the acronym is for

[3:20:30] that. So, all right, let's see.

[3:20:32] >> Um just by way of background

[3:20:34] information, currently this position is

[3:20:36] with county attorney's office and a

[3:20:37] part-time capacity role. Um, this item

[3:20:40] is being raised back for a full-time

[3:20:42] consideration. Full-time would allow for

[3:20:44] the victim advocate to be able to

[3:20:46] provide additional resources beyond um

[3:20:48] what she is able to clearly provide. I I

[3:20:52] know the commission um has had questions

[3:20:55] about funding this. Um I have indicated

[3:20:57] to the commission that is my goal to

[3:20:59] look for and find additional funding. In

[3:21:01] the event that this is approved, we will

[3:21:02] continue to search for funding. During

[3:21:04] this meeting tonight, at one point I

[3:21:06] slipped out to join on to a meeting with

[3:21:09] uh the state who is applying for a grant

[3:21:11] in this area. And one of the things that

[3:21:13] they indicated that they would be able

[3:21:14] to provide if the grant is accepted 13

[3:21:18] or $1,000 or sorry $13,900

[3:21:21] annually for three years for prosecution

[3:21:24] services in the implementation of uh

[3:21:27] stringulation training in Odara. Um

[3:21:29] those are some uh grant opportunities.

[3:21:32] Grand County is being highlighted by the

[3:21:34] state as a new um kind of pilot program

[3:21:38] for domestic violence across the state.

[3:21:40] They have hired um Miss Mc Court who is

[3:21:44] one of uh one position throughout the

[3:21:46] entire state that's focusing on domestic

[3:21:48] violence and that is being done with

[3:21:50] Bernal's justice court and Grand

[3:21:52] County's justice court. And so Judge

[3:21:55] Walsh O'Donnell is also on that panel.

[3:21:57] We're working to kind of do a better

[3:21:59] response to domestic violence in smaller

[3:22:01] communities. um like our resort

[3:22:02] community as well. Uh we've been working

[3:22:05] on additional funding through other

[3:22:07] means as I've mentioned frequently. We

[3:22:09] participated in the ICCR which is the

[3:22:12] Institute of Community Coordinated

[3:22:13] Response Domestic Violence. Um my office

[3:22:16] is dedicated to providing as much

[3:22:17] resource as we can. Uh we brought this

[3:22:19] position on originally as a part-time

[3:22:21] position and position is very

[3:22:24] successful. Um but we we need additional

[3:22:26] time and we we have too much need. we

[3:22:30] continue to have bigger cases that come

[3:22:32] through and so it's our request to uh

[3:22:35] bring this classification for the

[3:22:36] commission for consideration and

[3:22:37] approval this evening.

[3:22:39] >> Okay, Bill. Um, I'd like to make the

[3:22:42] motion and then possibly some comment if

[3:22:45] we get second, but I move to approve the

[3:22:47] reclassification of the part-time Grand

[3:22:50] County Attorney's Office victim advocate

[3:22:53] position to a full-time benefited

[3:22:56] position effective 8312026

[3:23:01] with participation from both the county

[3:23:04] attorney's office and the sheriff's

[3:23:06] office in the use of this position.

[3:23:12] Okay. Any more discussion? Oh, you

[3:23:14] wanted to comment again, Bill. I mean,

[3:23:15] >> I I think um it's critical that we make

[3:23:18] sure that both of those departments have

[3:23:20] access to this position. I mean, there's

[3:23:22] um I we can't even speak sometimes to

[3:23:26] the amount of tragedies that happen and

[3:23:28] sometimes they're people that Steven's

[3:23:31] office has to deal with and others their

[3:23:33] accidents or whatever out in the public

[3:23:35] as we just had on the highway the other

[3:23:37] night. So it it's critical that we do

[3:23:40] fund this and it's critical that we work

[3:23:42] together with those two departments was

[3:23:44] what my whole goal was.

[3:23:48] [clears throat]

[3:23:49] >> Do you have a comment too big?

[3:23:51] >> Yeah. No, I think this is this this is

[3:23:53] it's a it's a tight budgeting season

[3:23:55] obviously and and we need to look at all

[3:23:57] these uh reclassifications and um uh

[3:24:01] upgrades I guess you could say

[3:24:02] carefully, but this is this is

[3:24:04] definitely one that in my opinion is

[3:24:06] necessary and um definitely appreciate

[3:24:10] everything that the victim's advocate

[3:24:12] has been doing and giving uh her the

[3:24:14] opportunity to work full-time makes ton

[3:24:19] of sense. in favor of this.

[3:24:22] >> Okay, Trish has her hand up.

[3:24:26] » Thank you. I I I want to make it clear

[3:24:28] to citizens that that spoke, they it

[3:24:31] seems like some of them um weren't

[3:24:35] understanding that we do have a victim's

[3:24:37] advocate. So, I want to make sure that

[3:24:38] they understand that we we do currently

[3:24:40] have a a part-time victim's advocate.

[3:24:43] This is this is extremely hard for me,

[3:24:46] but I am not going to vote for this. And

[3:24:49] the reason being is I do not want to

[3:24:52] stray. Um I don't want to be a

[3:24:54] hypocrite. I think I have repeatedly

[3:24:57] maybe even hundreds of times stated how

[3:25:00] concerned I am about the budget. And and

[3:25:05] yet even in today's meeting, we had a

[3:25:08] commissioner talk about adding another

[3:25:10] part-time position. I've heard multiple

[3:25:13] commissioners talking about bloated

[3:25:15] budgets, using that term, talking about

[3:25:17] continuing to grow budgets, using that

[3:25:20] term. And so that being said, it's

[3:25:23] really difficult when we have these one

[3:25:25] at a time asks that are like this is a

[3:25:29] really difficult ask for me. Um, a lot

[3:25:33] of us talk about having personal

[3:25:35] experiences. I had a lived a lot of my

[3:25:39] life with these types of experiences.

[3:25:41] Um, so this is very difficult for me and

[3:25:44] I know the need in our community. But at

[3:25:46] the same time, and I believe this and I

[3:25:48] talked to Tess and Quinn about this the

[3:25:50] other day, I think we need to have a

[3:25:52] holistic look at our staffing and the

[3:25:56] needs. And that being said, let admin

[3:25:59] and HR go through those needs and

[3:26:02] prioritize them. And hopefully that'll flesh out. And I'm not at all

[3:26:07] talking specifically about Stephen and

[3:26:09] this ask today. I'm just talking in

[3:26:12] general. I hope that in in the next year

[3:26:15] we can have that holistic view of these

[3:26:18] are these are our budgeting resources

[3:26:19] and what are our greatest needs and

[3:26:21] where do we want them to go? And I think

[3:26:23] this is a huge need and I think it it

[3:26:26] far overcomes a lot of the things that

[3:26:29] we've spent money on just randomly and

[3:26:32] huge sums of money. I won't get into

[3:26:34] that, but I'm going to kind of continue

[3:26:38] my path of stating we can't keep growing

[3:26:41] the budget. And I say it and I actually

[3:26:44] mean it and I vote like that. Other

[3:26:46] people say it and they don't actually

[3:26:48] follow through. So, that's where I'm at.

[3:26:52] >> You have another comment. Oh, wait.

[3:26:54] Mike's gonna go before I go. Yeah.

[3:26:57] uh

[3:26:59] easily sitting in the room here tonight,

[3:27:00] we have some very opposing views on our

[3:27:04] local politics. Everyone spoke highly

[3:27:06] for this. It didn't m matter your

[3:27:09] political background. It it matters that

[3:27:11] this affects people and uh obviously

[3:27:14] she's helping our community.

[3:27:17] I mean, it was spoken for tonight by the

[3:27:20] uh by all of our constituents uh from

[3:27:23] all teams. uh and makes the makes the

[3:27:26] choice to support this pretty easy.

[3:27:32] » Brian, go ahead.

[3:27:34] >> Yeah, just real quick when we're looking

[3:27:36] at this, there are certain services that

[3:27:38] we have to provide for our citiz

[3:27:40] citizenry and this is one of those

[3:27:42] services. Previously, I know that we

[3:27:44] were using the uh uh the city of Moab's

[3:27:47] victim advocate um in previous years and

[3:27:49] so moving this over to Grand County, I

[3:27:51] think that there was some questions on

[3:27:53] was this going to be a part-time

[3:27:55] position and um it's sad that the need

[3:27:58] is there for this to be a full-time

[3:28:00] position, but but I completely support

[3:28:01] it.

[3:28:05] » Yeah. And I think all of us as

[3:28:07] commissioners have the opportunity to

[3:28:09] help in looking for funding for this. I

[3:28:11] know that the attorney general's office

[3:28:14] and Tracy Tabet have done a great job of

[3:28:18] funding the Children's Justice Center

[3:28:21] and are also working towards funding

[3:28:23] this position as well. So, I I think we

[3:28:25] can all reach out and build that bridge

[3:28:28] and spend some time in efforts that

[3:28:31] bring back some grant funding to support

[3:28:33] this position.

[3:28:35] >> Mike, you had another comment.

[3:28:36] >> Oh, very much so. Uh please keep me

[3:28:38] appraised. you know, we go up uh to

[3:28:41] legislature. Uh you know, we speak with

[3:28:43] uh almost everyone, but if there's

[3:28:45] chances out there, I would really like

[3:28:47] uh please point them for us uh towards

[3:28:50] us that go up.

[3:28:51] >> Yeah. I just if I can share, I want to

[3:28:54] appreciate the the commission. I know

[3:28:56] this this was presented um previously

[3:28:59] with other other items and I appreciate

[3:29:02] the con the commission considering this

[3:29:04] position again on its own. I think it is

[3:29:06] a unique position for this community and

[3:29:08] I understand that it's a big ask and

[3:29:10] it's a hard ask and my office is asking

[3:29:12] for it um in a less than ideal time but

[3:29:15] there's um there's a great need and I I

[3:29:18] really appreciate and appreciate the

[3:29:20] commission for considering it.

[3:29:22] >> Thank you.

[3:29:24] >> All right, we'll go ahead and call for a

[3:29:25] vote. Those in favor

[3:29:28] >> I

[3:29:30] >> and those opposed.

[3:29:33] All right, that passes. Sixth one with

[3:29:35] Commissioner Hebdine opposed.

[3:29:38] Okay, moving on to number 14 is a

[3:29:40] consideration of reclassification of

[3:29:41] Sandpots recreation area lead technician

[3:29:44] and we have Andrea Brand, our director

[3:29:45] of operations. Thank you.

[3:29:48] >> Thank you for the opportunity to come

[3:29:50] before you today. Um, just as a

[3:29:52] background to our citizens, I know you

[3:29:54] folks know that uh, SAM Plats is an

[3:29:57] enterprise fund under the under the

[3:29:59] county. And so we would uh this um ask

[3:30:03] in this uh line item would not come from

[3:30:06] any general funding monies. Uh so um

[3:30:10] recently at uh Thailix meeting um

[3:30:13] actually it was back in in May I believe

[3:30:16] um members at the meeting complimented

[3:30:18] GCAT about their upkeep of the raptor

[3:30:21] route and Evan Smiley said he couldn't

[3:30:24] take the credit this time because it was

[3:30:26] Samplat staff that had uh done the

[3:30:29] maintenance and the upkeep on that

[3:30:31] section of trip. And um so

[3:30:35] uh we have a position that has not been

[3:30:37] filled for a few years and I have a uh

[3:30:41] employee that has just really stepped

[3:30:44] forward with helping to improve and

[3:30:46] maintain our trails and uh with the

[3:30:50] increase in visitation and popularity of

[3:30:52] these trails. In particular, I'm talking

[3:30:54] about the raptor route which has seen

[3:30:56] about 20,000

[3:30:58] uh folks last year in nine months which

[3:31:00] is rivaling uh whole enchilada trail. So

[3:31:04] with those needs um I'm asking to uh

[3:31:07] have support to uh put this person in a

[3:31:11] lead seasonal recreation technician

[3:31:13] position. uh we are only looking at uh

[3:31:16] less than $2,000 this year and then next

[3:31:20] year uh it would be $8,500 over the

[3:31:23] course of the whole year. Um also the

[3:31:25] hours would increase from 1,080 hours uh

[3:31:29] per year to 1,200 hours. This is still a

[3:31:32] part-time position, not a benefited

[3:31:34] position. Um, and so, uh, I think it

[3:31:38] would really help us on the ground to,

[3:31:40] uh, continue to, um, maintain our our

[3:31:43] trails and for our visitors and our

[3:31:45] locals.

[3:31:46] >> Okay. And Bill, can you hand up?

[3:31:49] >> Yeah. I move to approve the

[3:31:50] reclassification of the SFR recreation

[3:31:54] technician one position to SFRA

[3:31:59] lead recreation technician effective 831

[3:32:02] 2026.

[3:32:04] I'll second it.

[3:32:06] >> Okay.

[3:32:09] [clears throat]

[3:32:09] >> Thank you uh for explaining that to

[3:32:12] citizens to where uh money comes from

[3:32:14] and actually putting in the packet. It

[3:32:16] was very nice too that it it it's coming

[3:32:18] from fund 70 uh as good information to

[3:32:21] let everyone know.

[3:32:26] » Okay. Any other discussion questions?

[3:32:30] We'll call for a vote on that. So

[3:32:32] considering consideration of

[3:32:34] reclassification sands recreation all in

[3:32:36] favor

[3:32:39] and opposes

[3:32:44] six to one with commissioner Martinez

[3:32:46] opposed.

[3:32:47] >> Thank you very

[3:32:48] >> No, that's not Can you uh uh uh in favor

[3:32:52] of that vote?

[3:32:52] >> Oh, you like Okay, sorry. That passes

[3:32:56] 70. Thank you, Bri. It's hard to find

[3:32:58] your spot online sometimes. I just had

[3:33:00] to do it.

[3:33:02] >> [laughter]

[3:33:03] >> 70. Thank you, Andrea.

[3:33:06] Okay. Number 15 is resolution amending

[3:33:08] the employee handbook at the military

[3:33:10] policy and that's with Tess, our

[3:33:13] personal service director.

[3:33:16] We have Laura here taking this.

[3:33:23] » All right. Good evening, commissioners.

[3:33:26] So for this amendment to our military

[3:33:29] pay policy um we are making two two

[3:33:35] categories of changes. One is ensuring

[3:33:37] that we are more clearly reflecting both

[3:33:40] the federal protection of absences

[3:33:43] related to qualifying military

[3:33:46] assignments. And we are also clarifying

[3:33:49] that um any paid military leave provided

[3:33:53] by Grand County is not a leave bank that

[3:33:57] employees um take with them if they are

[3:33:59] departing from from Grand County. We

[3:34:02] currently provide up to 80 hours of paid

[3:34:05] leave for qualifying military

[3:34:07] assignments. So for instance, if they

[3:34:09] need to go to training, etc.

[3:34:12] We are also in the second category

[3:34:14] requesting that we bump that bank of 80

[3:34:17] hours up to 120 hours which reflects

[3:34:19] currently what many other counties in

[3:34:21] Utah are doing as well as the state of

[3:34:22] Utah including highway patrol. So

[3:34:25] remaining consistent with other entities

[3:34:27] that have this type of paid leave.

[3:34:30] >> Okay. Like

[3:34:31] >> I move to approve the amendment of the

[3:34:33] military pay policy including the Grand

[3:34:35] County employee handbook 2026 effective

[3:34:38] immediately.

[3:34:40] talk. Okay, so yeah, first and second.

[3:34:43] Any other questions for Tess, comments?

[3:34:46] >> Thank you for doing this.

[3:34:47] >> Keep it up.

[3:34:48] >> Thank you all very much.

[3:34:50] >> Okay, call for a vote. Those in favor?

[3:34:54] >> I.

[3:34:54] >> And that passes 70. Thank you.

[3:34:56] >> Thank you all.

[3:34:58] >> All right, moving on to the selection of

[3:35:00] shuttle attendant services provider

[3:35:02] shuttle. Did you want to speak to this

[3:35:04] Brian or do you want to

[3:35:07] >> go ahead commissioner uh chair?

[3:35:10] >> Okay. So, we had three proposals for the

[3:35:14] shuttle attendant services for the Moab

[3:35:16] to Archie shuttle. I think they put the

[3:35:18] scoring sheets. So, um Commissioner

[3:35:21] Martinez, I and Commissioner Winfield

[3:35:23] are all on that subcommittee. And so we

[3:35:27] were able there's uh Lena confirmed that

[3:35:29] there was no issues with any of the

[3:35:32] um

[3:35:36] companies that put in. So the winner of

[3:35:39] that proposal is via transportation. And

[3:35:43] I would say, you know, they they

[3:35:44] definitely have the strongest proposals.

[3:35:46] And one of the things that was left off

[3:35:48] the shuttle attendant proposal scoring

[3:35:50] sheet um was that those companies that

[3:35:54] gave a um shuttle RFP were given

[3:35:58] preference. And so and and one of the

[3:36:00] also another thing I want to bring up

[3:36:02] about this is that as we were moving

[3:36:04] through the CMA process with the

[3:36:06] National Park Service, the shuttle

[3:36:08] attendant piece came up a little bit

[3:36:09] later and in order to uh figure out all

[3:36:12] the pieces with the shuttle attendant,

[3:36:14] that's what separated the RFPs. So

[3:36:16] instead of having one RFP that would

[3:36:17] have the shuttle attendant and the um

[3:36:21] shuttle services in one in in one RFP,

[3:36:25] we had to se we separated them. That way

[3:36:27] the person doing the shuttle would have

[3:36:29] more time to get the shuttle, get the

[3:36:32] leases, do the things they need to do

[3:36:34] because that's the big the big lift and

[3:36:36] then the smaller lift is the shuttle

[3:36:37] attendant services. And so they

[3:36:39] definitely got priority because they

[3:36:43] received the proposal or received the

[3:36:46] shuttle services and that that would

[3:36:48] give them an additional piece even

[3:36:49] though if you read all of those um RFPs

[3:36:52] they they are a clear winner on those

[3:36:54] and and our our attended um our proposal

[3:36:57] scoring sheets are in there for you to

[3:36:58] review but that would be our recommended

[3:37:00] if anybody wants to make that motion.

[3:37:04] bill.

[3:37:04] >> I move to award via the shuttle

[3:37:07] attendant service agreement.

[3:37:10] >> Okay, [clears throat] Mike second and

[3:37:13] any discussion? Mike,

[3:37:15] >> I did like seeing uh some constituents

[3:37:17] posting on Facebook that uh expected

[3:37:21] living wages are actually uh decent in

[3:37:24] some uh job postings. So, it was good to

[3:37:26] see.

[3:37:30] Uh Trish,

[3:37:32] >> sorry about that. Um I will not be

[3:37:34] voting on this. I will not be voting on

[3:37:37] anything related to the Moab Arches

[3:37:39] shuttle due to the expenditure of

[3:37:42] taxpayer dollars, the employee and

[3:37:43] elected time and energy that's going

[3:37:45] into this project. And I do want to

[3:37:48] state that if this is a huge success,

[3:37:51] you're welcome to rub my nose in it. I'm

[3:37:53] okay with that. I'm humble enough to to know when I'm wrong. and I hope it's

[3:37:57] a huge success but I will not be

[3:37:59] supporting anything related to it.

[3:38:02] >> Okay. Any other com any other

[3:38:04] discussion?

[3:38:06] >> All right. Then we have a first and a

[3:38:08] second call for a vote. Those in favor

[3:38:12] >> I random post

[3:38:17] 43 with Commissioner Hadler,

[3:38:19] Commissioner Man and Commissioner Hadin

[3:38:20] in opposition. Moving along to number 17

[3:38:23] is the amendment to the Mob Arches

[3:38:25] transportation services agreement to

[3:38:27] accommodate the selected shuttle

[3:38:28] attendant provider.

[3:38:30] And so the um shuttle attendant services

[3:38:33] agreement has been included in the

[3:38:35] packet and that was approved last

[3:38:37] meeting. It's been signed and with that

[3:38:40] inside of the

[3:38:42] um the services agreement was something

[3:38:46] that separated via from the shuttle

[3:38:47] attendant. And so with this selection

[3:38:51] tonight, we have to either add VIA's um

[3:38:54] contract adding in the agreement that

[3:38:57] they would be doing the shuttle or we

[3:38:59] would have a separate um agreement that

[3:39:01] said that they would work with the the

[3:39:03] company that got selected. So there is

[3:39:05] two um amendments in the packet that reflect that. So, one is that BEA

[3:39:11] would have gotten it or that BA would

[3:39:13] have worked with the um the company that

[3:39:16] got that grant or that.

[3:39:21] » So,

[3:39:23] >> go ahead, Bill.

[3:39:24] >> I move to assign amendment option A

[3:39:30] » to the Moab Arches service agreement.

[3:39:32] Did I get all the correct verbage or

[3:39:34] anything? Yeah, option A and then option

[3:39:35] B was the one that had the other. They

[3:39:38] were going to work with another update.

[3:39:40] >> Go ahead, Mike.

[3:39:41] >> I just want to make uh thanks for

[3:39:43] previous talk today making some points

[3:39:45] and of clarity. I just wanted to say

[3:39:49] thanks for uh the fast response there.

[3:39:51] >> Yep. Happy to do it.

[3:39:53] >> Okay. Any other comments?

[3:39:57] >> No. All right. We'll go ahead and call

[3:39:58] for a vote on the amendment to the

[3:40:00] Arches Transportation. All in favor?

[3:40:03] I

[3:40:05] >> and those opposed.

[3:40:09] » Okay, Mary, you raise your hand for the

[3:40:11] first one.

[3:40:12] >> I was I was that

[3:40:13] >> I was reaching for

[3:40:15] >> Okay,

[3:40:16] >> do something with my computer. I

[3:40:17] apologize. It looked like I was. I

[3:40:19] >> did. Sorry. Okay, so that that passes

[3:40:22] with four in favor, three opposed.

[3:40:24] Commissioner Hadine, Commissioner

[3:40:25] Heather, and Commissioner again.

[3:40:28] >> Moving on to the number 18.

[3:40:30] >> If you want to do the public hearing,

[3:40:32] it's after So it's up to you.

[3:40:34] >> Go ahead and do the public hearing.

[3:40:37] >> So we have our public hearing.

[3:40:43] » Public hearing is for our Jackson Street

[3:40:47] storm drain project. Um, so we can

[3:40:50] receive input from the public with

[3:40:52] respect to the issuance of the series

[3:40:53] 2026 bonds and any potential economic

[3:40:57] impact of the series 2026 project to be

[3:40:59] financed with the proceeds of the series

[3:41:01] 2026 bonds may have on the private

[3:41:03] sector. And we have Marcus Keller here

[3:41:05] with Associates again. You want to come

[3:41:08] up and and speak to it?

[3:41:10] >> Perfect.

[3:41:11] >> Thanks, Commissioner. I'll be very

[3:41:12] quick. I don't think there's very many

[3:41:14] people here to comment on it, but I do

[3:41:16] want to congratulate the county. This is

[3:41:18] actually a great project and most

[3:41:21] importantly a very wellthoughtout and

[3:41:23] financed project with grant money being

[3:41:26] contributed from the state CIB uh that

[3:41:29] uh Commissioner Winfield sits on as well

[3:41:31] as lowinterest loans that are being used

[3:41:34] from our transportation funds. So, it's a very affordable project and we

[3:41:38] are currently working uh with the CIB

[3:41:41] board and I believe Commissioner

[3:41:42] McCannless or Commissioner Winfield's

[3:41:44] kind of leading that charge to uh to try

[3:41:46] to even get those authorizations

[3:41:49] increased because the project cost went

[3:41:51] down. We want to try to get some of

[3:41:52] those monies moved around to to even

[3:41:55] offset our cost even more. So, uh, so

[3:41:58] with all that being said, happy to

[3:42:00] answer any questions, but this is these

[3:42:02] are the type of financings where we're

[3:42:04] very happy to see all the different, uh,

[3:42:06] cheap money and free money come into it

[3:42:08] to make this affordable project go

[3:42:09] forward. So, thank you.

[3:42:12] >> Okay. Anybody have any questions or

[3:42:15] comments? Well, I guess it's public

[3:42:17] hearing. We'll talk about that. We'll

[3:42:18] have those options at our next meeting.

[3:42:21] >> No, this is public hearing. Pardon me if

[3:42:23] I want Marcus.

[3:42:24] >> No, sorry. I should have closing this

[3:42:25] public.

[3:42:26] >> We're closing it.

[3:42:27] >> Yeah. And we're closing it.

[3:42:28] >> Correct. Yeah. So, so per the bond

[3:42:30] rules, we do have to have a public

[3:42:31] hearing. So, this is just part of that

[3:42:33] process. So, uh time for any public to

[3:42:35] give any comments and then to move on to

[3:42:37] the next items. So, pause here.

[3:42:40] >> We don't need to vote. Okay.

[3:42:42] >> No, we don't have to vote.

[3:42:43] >> Cool.

[3:42:43] >> Okay. I already voted on voted on on the

[3:42:47] bonding earlier. I believe

[3:42:49] >> if you want to call for anyone to be

[3:42:50] honest. Does anyone from the audience

[3:42:52] want to speak to the Jackson Street

[3:42:53] Storm drain project?

[3:42:59] » Correct, Marcus? We don't need to vote.

[3:43:00] >> Yeah, unless there's anyone else online.

[3:43:02] Doesn't look like it, but um as long as

[3:43:04] there's no comments, you're free to to

[3:43:07] move on to your next item.

[3:43:09] >> Okay. Thank you. Thanks for coming back.

[3:43:11] >> Absolutely.

[3:43:11] >> You travel safe.

[3:43:12] >> Thank you. Appreciate

[3:43:14] >> Thank you.

[3:43:15] >> We We haven't been having a six o'clock

[3:43:17] this year to five o'clock. I'm not sure

[3:43:20] if you're standing up for that or you

[3:43:21] just come to visit us

[3:43:23] >> to one to make a comment and the other

[3:43:25] to give a um phone drive to the guy

[3:43:29] that's supposed to be working on the on

[3:43:32] the cafe stuff.

[3:43:34] >> Okay. I don't think Andrew is here

[3:43:36] tonight.

[3:43:36] >> He's

[3:43:40] here with

[3:43:43] Yeah, Mark can take it. Yeah, I can do

[3:43:44] that.

[3:43:45] >> Well, you can um um Aaron, it's been

[3:43:50] passed from designer to designer to

[3:43:53] designer because nobody

[3:43:55] >> and so I was supposed to be here

[3:43:56] tonight. So,

[3:43:58] >> I don't I gave Andrew all of my files

[3:44:01] with all of the handouts and everything

[3:44:05] and he kind of compiled it,

[3:44:08] gave it to Taylor all and and he doesn't

[3:44:12] have time for it. So minutes with

[3:44:15] >> All right. Well, Erin might show up. I

[3:44:16] think he's here with of the bureau. So

[3:44:19] we're I just wanted to let you know we

[3:44:22] didn't have a we we moved our sisters to

[3:44:24] be heard about five o'clock. We don't

[3:44:26] have a six o'clock one. I just want to

[3:44:28] double check you. Okay. Okay. We're

[3:44:30] going to move we're going to move along

[3:44:32] to number 18, which is the paved path

[3:44:34] maintenance project on Arches bike path

[3:44:36] from 47. And that is got Cody on there.

[3:44:41] bill.

[3:44:41] >> This is the one that we were tableing.

[3:44:43] >> We're going to table this. Okay.

[3:44:45] >> This one is going to be moved to a

[3:44:46] future

[3:44:47] >> table or postal

[3:44:49] >> table.

[3:44:50] Comes back this meeting

[3:44:53] next meeting.

[3:44:54] >> Yeah. But you guys don't have to take

[3:44:55] any motion. Just not do.

[3:44:57] >> We're just going to move past it. We're

[3:44:58] not going to discuss it tonight.

[3:45:00] >> Okay. Um number 19 is the creation of a

[3:45:02] subcommittee to update the list of

[3:45:04] bylaws and rodeo resolutions. And this

[3:45:06] came before us in agenda review to add

[3:45:09] some people

[3:45:11] >> to the OA um

[3:45:14] advisory committee. And the OSA bylaws

[3:45:18] are out of they're a little old. They're

[3:45:20] 15 years old. And so before we added

[3:45:23] people to that board, I felt like it was

[3:45:25] appropriate for some commissioners to

[3:45:27] get together and look at those bylaws,

[3:45:31] see what the county wanted from those

[3:45:34] bylaws. And then also we added in the

[3:45:36] rodeo resolution to that as well because

[3:45:38] both of those are are outd outdated

[3:45:40] bylaws and resolution. And so with that

[3:45:43] I I thought it would be a better path of

[3:45:46] action to create a subcommittee versus

[3:45:48] add those people. And then after we got

[3:45:51] subcommittee we can look at adding uh

[3:45:53] people to those board if that's

[3:45:54] appropriate. So Mike,

[3:45:57] >> I move to appoint commissioners

[3:45:59] McCannless, Haden, and myself, Mike Mike

[3:46:01] McCertie, the OT subcommittee. I'll

[3:46:04] second that.

[3:46:05] >> Okay, Mike. And then Bill, any other

[3:46:08] comments?

[3:46:09] >> Uh

[3:46:12] double check uh with Commissioner Haden

[3:46:15] that that's okay to pick up another

[3:46:16] committee because help out there.

[3:46:19] >> Yes, sir. You bet.

[3:46:20] >> Thank you.

[3:46:22] >> Okay. All right. Those in favor

[3:46:25] Hi.

[3:46:27] >> All right, that passes 70. Thank you.

[3:46:30] >> We already have a meeting scheduled

[3:46:32] almost. So, I think Trisha is gonna tell

[3:46:35] us when we're going to meet uh and and I

[3:46:37] think this needs to we need to do this

[3:46:38] pretty quick. They're they are on a

[3:46:39] quarter um every yeah quarterly meeting.

[3:46:43] So, in three months they'll have another

[3:46:44] meeting and I'd like to ask a resolution

[3:46:46] to this by then.

[3:46:49] >> All right. Moving on to number 20 which

[3:46:52] is a consideration of resentment of

[3:46:54] denial of bur oaks reszone made at the

[3:46:56] July 21st commission meeting.

[3:46:58] Commissioner Winfield and do you have

[3:46:59] anything to change?

[3:47:02] >> Sure I can just give some background. Um

[3:47:04] so this is this is a less common

[3:47:06] occurrence. However, um we provided to

[3:47:09] the commission everybody should have got

[3:47:11] additional information from um from

[3:47:13] myself uh and walking through the

[3:47:17] analysis of this. When a commission

[3:47:19] reconsiders a previous item and seeks to

[3:47:23] resend it, there's a requirement to

[3:47:24] either one provide notice or two, if you

[3:47:28] want to override that decision, you need

[3:47:30] a twothirds within the same meeting. If

[3:47:32] it comes at a subsequent meeting, notice

[3:47:34] is required ahead of time. And if that

[3:47:36] notice is provided, then it's a simple

[3:47:38] majority to pass. Before the commission

[3:47:40] today is a consideration of a of a

[3:47:43] rescendment of the denial of the Buro's

[3:47:45] reason made at the July 21st commission

[3:47:47] meeting. If that vote passes, then the

[3:47:51] commission will consider a new the

[3:47:52] original application for the Baroque

[3:47:54] subdivision as if the decision had never

[3:47:56] been made. Please remember that we still

[3:47:59] need findings like last time um that

[3:48:01] establishes it within the breakdown and

[3:48:04] has those findings made on the record in

[3:48:06] the motion, seconded, and then voted on.

[3:48:08] But first the commission considers the

[3:48:10] resinment and then considers the second

[3:48:13] element. Any questions

[3:48:16] >> question?

[3:48:17] >> Yes commission.

[3:48:18] >> Being in the uh

[3:48:21] majority minority doesn't matter from

[3:48:23] the previous vote in the proposed

[3:48:25] resend.

[3:48:26] >> Correct. The original the the original

[3:48:29] individual that voted for this item was

[3:48:30] Commissioner Winfield.

[3:48:32] >> Okay.

[3:48:33] >> He voted in the majority. He has brought

[3:48:35] the item back for the commission to

[3:48:37] reconsider. Okay.

[3:48:38] >> U normally it's it would likely be him

[3:48:41] to make the motion, but it doesn't there

[3:48:43] isn't a prohibition on that. The reason

[3:48:46] why that exists is it's to avoid having

[3:48:47] the commission re reconsider the same

[3:48:49] item over and over again and brought by

[3:48:51] the person that didn't have the motion

[3:48:53] that carried.

[3:48:54] >> So if that makes sense that motion

[3:48:57] whenever you're ready.

[3:48:59] >> I'm good. Go ahead. I move to resend the

[3:49:02] motion made and passed at the July 21st,

[3:49:05] 2026 Grand County Commission meeting

[3:49:07] denying the Burnt Oaks resone

[3:49:09] application.

[3:49:12] >> We have a first and second. Trish, do

[3:49:14] you have a comment?

[3:49:16] >> Um, yeah, I have a couple comments.

[3:49:19] [clears throat] Um, so I I guess you

[3:49:22] know this is fine. I appreciate Stephen

[3:49:24] you reaching out to Bart and getting

[3:49:26] that memo. That really helps me. I mean,

[3:49:28] I guess I'll just maybe ask andor um

[3:49:32] convey that the usual process is

[3:49:36] a commissioner can bring it back, but

[3:49:38] the usual process is that the applicant

[3:49:40] would then reapply. And that doesn't

[3:49:42] mean like Grant County could wave the

[3:49:44] application fees. That's no big deal. We

[3:49:46] discussed this in the planning

[3:49:47] commission the last meeting. Randy Day

[3:49:49] was great. He's like, "Oh yeah, I've

[3:49:50] done it many times. They just reapply

[3:49:52] and sometimes they wave the fees." Um,

[3:49:54] so this is this is an odd way to go

[3:49:57] about it and and that's a little

[3:49:58] bothersome to me, but it is what it is.

[3:50:00] I appreciate again that that

[3:50:03] Stephen um went to BART and and we we

[3:50:05] got that clarified. Um I I am going to

[3:50:09] continue to vote against this just in

[3:50:12] the sense like the original reason that

[3:50:14] we voted against this was concerns about

[3:50:16] traffic in that area and then we we went

[3:50:20] ahead and approved $20,000 for a traffic

[3:50:22] study. yet we're not waiting for the the

[3:50:24] traffic study. So to me, logic would

[3:50:28] mean that we're paying all this money

[3:50:30] for a traffic study. We would wait for

[3:50:32] the traffic study to see how this even

[3:50:35] though it's a very minor, it's again,

[3:50:37] it's a reason. And I'm not a big fan of

[3:50:39] rezones. I've told you that a million

[3:50:40] times. But we would wait for that

[3:50:42] traffic study to then make that this

[3:50:44] decision. That seems logical to me. So,

[3:50:48] I'm not going to be voting for it

[3:50:50] because I think it's illogical.

[3:50:58] » Double check. Uh, thank you for reaching

[3:51:01] out to Bart. I know he's our he's our

[3:51:02] guy, but uh in this uh no questions of

[3:51:07] legality, right?

[3:51:08] >> Again, we've we've gone through I I do

[3:51:10] know this is it is harder to do this in

[3:51:14] this process. I know it's tough to make

[3:51:16] the decision um on the fly in the

[3:51:18] meeting um and there's no perfect way of bringing it back. Uh originally and

[3:51:24] when I looked at this item originally my gut response was that it would have

[3:51:28] to be reapplied and then I talked with

[3:51:30] uh Bart about it. It's just kind of a

[3:51:32] new way a unique way of doing this. Um I

[3:51:35] think it's easier if um well that's it.

[3:51:40] Thanks.

[3:51:41] Uh in additional with this you can see

[3:51:44] constituent comments

[3:51:46] >> uh will they be applied to the

[3:51:49] >> so the additional comments that the

[3:51:51] commission received came in after the

[3:51:53] public hearing period was closed and so

[3:51:56] they were provided in the packet but

[3:51:58] because of the not we didn't go all the

[3:52:00] way back and reopen all the public

[3:52:01] comment and redo all of that I didn't

[3:52:04] want to add in

[3:52:05] >> one public comment and then potentially

[3:52:07] have somebody else say well I didn't get

[3:52:08] to do public comment on that so it's not

[3:52:10] included the packet's not attached to

[3:52:12] it. It may change. I mean, in the real

[3:52:14] world that you folks are in, you may

[3:52:16] know additional information, but it's

[3:52:18] your decision to make it vote on as it

[3:52:21] on the information that you see. But

[3:52:22] again, we need facts and that. But

[3:52:24] first, the resentment.

[3:52:25] >> Thank you.

[3:52:28] >> Okay. Any other discussion, comments?

[3:52:33] >> Go ahead and call for a vote. We have

[3:52:34] first and second. Those Oh, wait. So we

[3:52:37] are resending it or we're just voting on

[3:52:39] we're voting on resending first.

[3:52:41] Correct. Okay. And then we'll and then

[3:52:42] we'll process it.

[3:52:43] >> Then then technically it would probably

[3:52:45] be best practice. Well, best practice

[3:52:47] would be to have somebody read the

[3:52:51] summary of the item because somebody may

[3:52:53] look at this meeting and have no idea

[3:52:55] what heroes is. And so that's why

[3:52:57] normally we would have either commin or

[3:52:59] the planning director present this item

[3:53:01] a new because nobody that go anybody

[3:53:03] that goes to this item has no idea of

[3:53:04] the past.

[3:53:05] >> Okay. So, we're going to go ahead and

[3:53:07] call for a vote for the resendment of

[3:53:08] the defense. So, those in favor

[3:53:12] I

[3:53:15] >> and those opposed.

[3:53:18] » Okay. So, that passes with 43 with

[3:53:21] Commissioner Hini. Commissioner Heather

[3:53:23] again. Sorry, what you ask? He did have

[3:53:25] a

[3:53:26] >> I just got a little confused there. So,

[3:53:29] >> and I'm prepared to read that summary

[3:53:32] that Stephen mentioned if you'd like.

[3:53:34] And we're talking the plain English

[3:53:35] summary that's in there. Yes, honey.

[3:53:38] >> Okay.

[3:53:39] >> This proposal would reszone a vacant

[3:53:42] 5.02

[3:53:44] acre parcel at 4500 South Zimmerman Lane

[3:53:47] just south of the Blue Vista subdivision

[3:53:49] from rural residential

[3:53:52] RR to large lot residential LLR. The

[3:53:56] change would allow about eight halfacre

[3:53:59] single family lots. The Spanish Valley

[3:54:01] Future Land Use Plan Map

[3:54:04] plan maps this area as a moderate scale

[3:54:07] neighborhood which allows somewhat more

[3:54:09] housing than is proposed. The planning

[3:54:12] commission held a public hearing on June

[3:54:14] 8, 2026 and voted 70

[3:54:18] to recommend that the county commission

[3:54:20] approved the reszone. staff recommends

[3:54:22] the county commission take public

[3:54:25] comment, review the request against the

[3:54:27] land use code criteria and adopt the

[3:54:30] ordinance.

[3:54:33] >> Okay. And I think Andrew is online, our

[3:54:37] >> planning and zoning director if he wants

[3:54:40] to make some comments as well.

[3:54:42] >> Yeah, I think it was it was covered by

[3:54:45] what uh Commissioner Winfield had

[3:54:47] stated. Again, this is just the zone

[3:54:50] change. It's not the subdivision. So,

[3:54:52] it's just looking at doing the zone

[3:54:54] change from large lot residential, one

[3:54:57] unit per acre, excuse me, rural

[3:54:59] residential, one unit per acre to large

[3:55:02] lot residential, which is two units per

[3:55:04] acre, where the general plan for that

[3:55:06] area has uh between four and six units

[3:55:09] per acre. And I'm happy to answer any

[3:55:12] questions on the zone change.

[3:55:17] Mike,

[3:55:18] uh,

[3:55:18] >> not a question, just a statement.

[3:55:21] uh with within this we just attended a

[3:55:24] uh a housing meeting at uh the mark that

[3:55:27] said very specifically uh in within

[3:55:30] about 40 people in attendance,

[3:55:32] Commissioner Martinez, myself uh several

[3:55:35] city etc. It was pointed out that we are

[3:55:39] definitely missing uh single family

[3:55:42] homes and single family development in

[3:55:43] our current housing path. And this is

[3:55:46] welcome in the general consensus of both

[3:55:49] the city and

[3:55:51] uh planners alike. Uh that this is where

[3:55:55] we've been missing and this is where we

[3:55:56] need to go.

[3:56:01] » Dean,

[3:56:03] did you call on me, Mel?

[3:56:05] >> Yeah. Yep, I did. Sorry.

[3:56:09] [laughter]

[3:56:12] » Sorry. I just I have a lot to say. Um so

[3:56:16] just a couple I'm going to kind of

[3:56:17] quickly um talk directly to you, Mike. I agree. I I think we are, you know,

[3:56:23] missing a a niche within our our housing

[3:56:27] um inventory, but you know, one again,

[3:56:30] we I don't think we've actually

[3:56:32] completed a a really extensive housing

[3:56:34] plan to understand that niche and what

[3:56:36] we need. And the other thing is when

[3:56:38] we're giving away this density, what are

[3:56:41] we getting in return? Nothing, right?

[3:56:43] And so, how do we ensure that in the

[3:56:46] future if we're giving away density, we

[3:56:48] get something in return? And that that's

[3:56:51] there's the rub, right? So like we are

[3:56:53] giving something to them. This is not a

[3:56:56] use by right. This is a person asking

[3:56:58] for doubling their ability to build. And

[3:57:02] so maybe we should ask for something in

[3:57:03] return. Just thoughts for the future.

[3:57:06] The other thing is is that yes, our

[3:57:08] general plan, our future land use map

[3:57:10] has these very vague ideas about where

[3:57:13] density should lie, but we still not do

[3:57:15] not have an updated zoning map. And what

[3:57:18] I've what I envision and these are just

[3:57:20] thoughts is when we get to that process

[3:57:23] that it is a very very intensive citizen

[3:57:27] engaged process where we maybe use

[3:57:31] little neighborhoods whatever that might

[3:57:33] be. We send out postcards. We try to get

[3:57:35] people involved in like what do you want

[3:57:37] to see in your neighborhood when we

[3:57:39] finally produce that zoning map? Because

[3:57:41] what we have a future land use map is

[3:57:43] blobs. It is not I said 90° angles. when

[3:57:46] you get into 90° angles, you're talking

[3:57:48] about a zoning map. Um, and then lastly,

[3:57:52] you well, two more things. One, I I hope

[3:57:54] people understand this idea of

[3:57:55] reszoning, and that does not reflect

[3:57:57] here with the developer, but you know,

[3:57:59] when we're reszoning, whatever the

[3:58:01] developer is telling us isn't

[3:58:03] necessarily what we'll see on the ground

[3:58:05] years down the line, 20 years, 30 years,

[3:58:07] 40 years down the line, as we've seen

[3:58:09] with Cane Creek. And then lastly, we we

[3:58:12] do need to have just a respect for

[3:58:15] existing neighborhoods. The reality is

[3:58:17] people move into these neighborhoods

[3:58:19] because they want a specific

[3:58:23] density. I live in rural residential and

[3:58:26] I have for the last 20 years because I

[3:58:28] want to live in rural residential and I

[3:58:30] want to have hound dogs and I want to

[3:58:31] have chickens and pigs and horses and I

[3:58:34] don't want to have people complain about

[3:58:35] it. And when the areas around me are

[3:58:38] just getting gobbled up and reszoned and

[3:58:40] then people start complaining about the

[3:58:42] chicks, chickens and pigs and dogs and

[3:58:44] horses, I got a problem with that. And

[3:58:47] all of my neighbors that I talk to and I

[3:58:49] staunchly defend rural residential. You

[3:58:52] know, they feel the same way. Like

[3:58:54] they're here and that's what they want

[3:58:56] to have. So that's the last I'll kind of

[3:58:58] keep beating that same drum. I'll keep

[3:59:00] losing. I'm okay with that, but I want

[3:59:03] to keep beating that drum.

[3:59:05] Okay, Bill had his hand had it.

[3:59:07] >> So, just a standard motion to approve

[3:59:11] this or is there verbiage somewhere?

[3:59:13] Because I'm not seeing it.

[3:59:14] >> Let me find it.

[3:59:17] >> It should be It should be in the

[3:59:19] document. Let me pull it up. Is that

[3:59:21] same a A through K language that lays

[3:59:24] out all the different statutory or

[3:59:27] language in our code that lays out.

[3:59:30] >> Well, okay. So, we need to read that A

[3:59:32] through K. Well, you pick out you make

[3:59:35] findings based on whatever your

[3:59:37] consideration of it is or the approval

[3:59:39] or the denial of it. And so, let me see

[3:59:43] if I can pull up.

[3:59:44] >> I'm gonna let Brian Brian, did you have

[3:59:46] your hand up? No.

[3:59:49] >> You have your hand up again or no?

[3:59:51] >> I did. I did, but I was I was just going

[3:59:53] to wait for a motion to be made.

[3:59:55] >> Okay. Do you want to wait for a motion

[3:59:56] while they look for it or do you want to

[3:59:58] comment? It's

[3:59:59] >> if I could just point out in the um

[4:00:02] larger staff report that was done before

[4:00:04] just before you get to the maps the

[4:00:06] exhibits um just there has a public

[4:00:09] notice and then just before that has a

[4:00:12] proposed county commission um motion.

[4:00:20] » It's on the page four, the first

[4:00:23] paragraph on the page that has the map

[4:00:24] with the red circle.

[4:00:26] >> Okay. You would read that motion and

[4:00:28] then you would need to go up for two,

[4:00:30] age two and three and it has a list

[4:00:33] that's a through k and it lays out

[4:00:36] different elements that um you could

[4:00:39] consider making the findings of any of

[4:00:41] the following.

[4:00:42] >> Okay. So I'll read the motion first and

[4:00:44] then following findings.

[4:00:46] >> All right. After reviewing the staff

[4:00:48] report, the applicant statement, public

[4:00:50] comments, the recommendation for the

[4:00:53] planning commission,

[4:00:55] recommendation of the planning

[4:00:57] commission, the Spanish valley future

[4:00:59] land use plan, and the rules in land use

[4:01:01] code section 9.2.5 2.5

[4:01:05] and finding that the reszone from rural

[4:01:07] residential RR to large lot residential

[4:01:11] LLR fits the general plan and future

[4:01:14] land use plan and meets the resoning

[4:01:17] rules. I move to adopt the ordinance

[4:01:20] amending the Grand County zoning map for

[4:01:22] parcel number 02-000035-000033

[4:01:29] from rural residential RR to large lot

[4:01:33] residential LLR

[4:01:35] following findings with the following

[4:01:38] findings

[4:01:41] and so

[4:01:45] and the findings would be here in A

[4:01:48] through

[4:01:50] wherever it ends

[4:01:51] >> A through K and some of them may cut in

[4:01:53] favor of the applicant and some of them

[4:01:54] may cut against the applicant.

[4:01:56] >> Right. So B has the areas character

[4:01:59] changed would be one of them. Yes it

[4:02:00] has. Blue Vista subdivision is an

[4:02:03] addition and a change from the large lot

[4:02:06] or for excuse me from the rural

[4:02:07] residential that has been in that area

[4:02:10] would be a one of them.

[4:02:13] Is there a need for new use? Yeah,

[4:02:16] definitely. As we've just heard from the

[4:02:19] commissioner

[4:02:21] McCertie and I believe commissioner had

[4:02:23] made comments about the meeting.

[4:02:26] Will the community benefit? Yes. Our

[4:02:29] workforce housing especially will

[4:02:31] benefit here. Does it match the general

[4:02:34] plan?

[4:02:35] It the request fits the moderate scale

[4:02:38] neighborhood label.

[4:02:44] Is the density and intensity right? The

[4:02:46] LLR zone allows the proposed density.

[4:02:49] Staff notice that about 1.6 homes per

[4:02:53] gross acre as at is at the low end of

[4:02:56] and maybe below the four to six homes

[4:02:58] per acre the plans label allows.

[4:03:03] » Okay. Second [clears throat]

[4:03:08] last time,

[4:03:10] >> right? Any other discussion? I know I

[4:03:12] commented on this when it first came

[4:03:13] before us. I am 100% in um experience

[4:03:17] with this density. It's it's out there.

[4:03:21] Moving from one home per acre to two per

[4:03:23] acre I think is appropriate use of that

[4:03:25] land. I actually in favor of about four

[4:03:28] per acre out there. I think that would

[4:03:29] be still leave it really rural but also

[4:03:32] um you know give everybody space but add

[4:03:36] some density because that's that missing

[4:03:37] middle. We can't have affordable homes

[4:03:39] if they're on one acre lots. So homes on

[4:03:42] one acre lots are for millionaires.

[4:03:44] Homes on smaller than that are for

[4:03:46] people that can afford them in our

[4:03:47] community. And I also, you know, when

[4:03:49] you talk about in town, I live in town

[4:03:53] residential, but our neighborhoods are

[4:03:55] being taken up by people that only want

[4:03:57] to have second and third homes. And so I

[4:03:59] don't have neighborhoods where kids are

[4:04:00] riding their bikes or people are playing

[4:04:02] in the streets. I just have second empty

[4:04:04] homes in my neighborhood in town. And I

[4:04:07] think that, you know, those homes as you

[4:04:09] grow out in the valley, those are

[4:04:10] appropriate, more appropriate for the

[4:04:12] second, third homes that are only going

[4:04:14] to be there for a little while to live

[4:04:16] in those homes in the valley. And that

[4:04:17] will even keep that, you know, a little

[4:04:19] bit less traffic out in the valley. But

[4:04:22] I'm I'm for this plan. I was I was for

[4:04:24] this before. I'm also for other

[4:04:27] development out there. And I I just want

[4:04:28] to state that that's how I feel about

[4:04:30] this land. So I going to go ahead and

[4:04:33] let Mike talk. Oh, wait. ly got who

[4:04:36] hasn't talked yet? I hadn't talked yet.

[4:04:38] >> Brian hasn't [laughter] talked yet. I'm

[4:04:39] on Brian have to stand up for a

[4:04:41] >> All right, Brian, go ahead.

[4:04:44] >> Thank you, Chair. Yeah, the um you know,

[4:04:47] I'm glad that we had the chance to

[4:04:48] revote on this. Um you know, I support

[4:04:50] housing. I was at that meeting with Mike

[4:04:52] and it was it was great to see the panel

[4:04:54] discussion um you know uh political um

[4:04:58] political uh leanings all over the place

[4:05:01] and everybody agreed on this same

[4:05:03] principle that we still need more

[4:05:04] housing and that we need to keep going

[4:05:06] on what we're doing. Um so you know it

[4:05:09] fits the character of that neighborhood.

[4:05:11] Um, and then mostly I think it's it's

[4:05:13] you know this is was the recommendation

[4:05:15] of our planning and zoning uh uh

[4:05:17] commission and I think that it's

[4:05:18] important that we respect and listen to

[4:05:21] what our planning and zoning commission

[4:05:23] does recommend. Thank you.

[4:05:26] >> Okay. Mike,

[4:05:28] did you want to talk? Sure. You said you

[4:05:30] haven't yet.

[4:05:31] >> Um, yeah. Hey, I didn't vote for it last

[4:05:34] time. I think there were some serious

[4:05:35] safety concerns uh with the traffic in

[4:05:38] the area. Bill brought those up. We did

[4:05:41] just drop $20,000 to do a study that we

[4:05:44] haven't seen the results of. And until

[4:05:46] we see the results of that study, I'm

[4:05:49] not prepared to vote in favor of this.

[4:05:52] >> Mike,

[4:05:54] >> uh, put a little few numbers to what you said. Uh, 1acre lots are uh, at

[4:06:01] a premium right now. I do believe

[4:06:03] sitting right on Spanish Drive with a

[4:06:05] 1acre lot about 280,000 per lot alone.

[4:06:09] So, this really helps our current

[4:06:12] housing and uh the direction the value

[4:06:15] uh I would hope would go.

[4:06:18] >> Oh, did you have another comment?

[4:06:20] >> Sure. Um I there's just a couple of

[4:06:24] points. One, the subdivision is not

[4:06:26] being approved. This is just approving

[4:06:28] the reszone and the traffic study which

[4:06:31] is being done will result in possibly

[4:06:35] some changes or some requirements when

[4:06:37] the subdivision does take place. So I I

[4:06:41] think this is the appropriate time to

[4:06:43] move this forward and there were

[4:06:46] um recommendations made to have public

[4:06:49] meetings and I recall when that map was

[4:06:52] put together that we had many public

[4:06:54] meetings. I attended as many of them as

[4:06:57] I could and I know that there was a lot

[4:06:59] of comment that went into this and I

[4:07:01] believe it was our planning

[4:07:05] and zoning administrator Elisea Martin

[4:07:08] or Elise Martin I think I'm butchering

[4:07:11] her name fairly well there but um that

[4:07:13] held those meetings at Jenna Gourney

[4:07:15] also all over and had a ton of community

[4:07:19] input at those meetings and and I agree

[4:07:22] that safety was an issue and it's the

[4:07:24] reason that I cautioned and asked that

[4:07:27] we do a traffic study out there and I do

[4:07:31] feel that in the future we're going to

[4:07:32] have to spread the costs of that traffic

[4:07:34] study out on future development in that

[4:07:37] area but the the need was immediate to

[4:07:40] address those safety concerns and I like

[4:07:43] that we've done that and I'm

[4:07:44] appreciative that the commission voted

[4:07:46] to do that. So,

[4:07:49] >> okay, Trish.

[4:07:52] Um, I wasn't going to say anymore, but I want to state that, you know, saying

[4:07:57] that all people that live on one acre

[4:07:59] are millionaires. I'm not a millionaire,

[4:08:01] Mel. Far from a millionaire. The reality

[4:08:03] is I've just lived out there a very long

[4:08:06] time, as have many, many, many of my

[4:08:09] neighbors. And the reason they moved out

[4:08:11] there when it was called poverty flats,

[4:08:15] um, you know, that's what it was called

[4:08:17] is because people wanted that rural

[4:08:20] character. And so they're not

[4:08:22] millionaires. They may be land rich, but

[4:08:25] they're poor or and and I would say I'm

[4:08:28] in the same way. I'm scratching every

[4:08:30] day to pay my bills. So, yes, I

[4:08:33] understand that a million an acre today

[4:08:36] is worth a lot of money, but that does

[4:08:38] not take into account all of the people

[4:08:40] that moved out there and want to be out

[4:08:42] there because they want that rural

[4:08:44] character. And I want people to try to

[4:08:46] respect that. Nobody on this commission, other than

[4:08:49] myself lives in the rural part of the

[4:08:52] county. Everybody else lives in the city

[4:08:54] of Moab. And I respect that. I just want

[4:08:56] to know want you to know that, you know,

[4:08:59] there is another voice out there. And I

[4:09:01] want you guys to to understand it and

[4:09:03] hopefully respect it.

[4:09:05] >> I wasn't saying you're a millionaire,

[4:09:07] Trish. And and a lot of people live in

[4:09:09] those that area aren't, but if today you

[4:09:12] bought a million, you bought you going

[4:09:14] to build a house on there,

[4:09:16] >> it would be a million dollar home, it

[4:09:17] wouldn't be what it was back in the day.

[4:09:19] So you have your acre and you can keep

[4:09:23] it for sure. As long as you want your

[4:09:25] own acre, you can keep it. But if people

[4:09:26] want to be able to afford to build new

[4:09:29] homes, you know, you got to split the

[4:09:31] land up to where

[4:09:34] >> understood. But then that's where I

[4:09:36] think and I agree, Bill, we did have

[4:09:37] public meetings and Alisa Martin did

[4:09:39] those meetings and Jenna, you are

[4:09:40] correct. However, they there was a few

[4:09:43] there. I think there was five of them

[4:09:44] alto together. They were sparssely

[4:09:47] attended. They weren't attended to the you know, I didn't think it was a

[4:09:51] great attendance. like I went to I think

[4:09:53] two or three of them and it was kind of

[4:09:55] the same folks. What I would like to

[4:09:57] see, like I said, is maybe when we do

[4:09:59] it, we break it into kind of little

[4:10:01] sections and we send postcards and we

[4:10:04] make sure that people know like, hey,

[4:10:05] we're looking at your neighborhood or

[4:10:07] your area. We're going to feasibly

[4:10:10] reszone it and you may want to come. And

[4:10:12] I just think it would be a more holistic

[4:10:14] process and that way when citizens down

[4:10:16] the road want to complain because I

[4:10:18] believe me, I have people complaining

[4:10:20] about that future land use map. I'm

[4:10:21] like, "Hey, there were meetings." And

[4:10:24] then at that point, we can say, "You got

[4:10:25] a postcard. You were invited. You got

[4:10:28] you didn't give input." That's all we

[4:10:30] can do, right? We just make it more

[4:10:32] holistic as much as possible to vi

[4:10:34] finally define those 90° angles.

[4:10:38] >> Okay. Mine's

[4:10:40] a little

[4:10:42] >> Mary hasn't talked yet. Yeah.

[4:10:44] >> I've talked enough.

[4:10:46] Um, with with the reszone, I the danger

[4:10:49] of a reszone is there's no guarantee

[4:10:52] that houses are going to be built there

[4:10:56] that are going to be affordable for the

[4:10:59] average person and there's no guarantee

[4:11:01] that it's going to help our housing

[4:11:03] issue. It just means that now the

[4:11:07] property is worth more because it's more

[4:11:11] valuable being in that that type of

[4:11:13] zoning. and and we're we have no

[4:11:16] guarantee, you know, and I think if

[4:11:19] we're going to do reszones or if we're

[4:11:21] going to uh do something, there has it

[4:11:24] has to be coupled with a way to protect

[4:11:28] and make sure we're getting, you know,

[4:11:31] that what we're asking for, what we need

[4:11:34] will be accomplished by this result.

[4:11:38] And I I don't see any protection here

[4:11:42] for you know we've just increased the

[4:11:46] value of that program.

[4:11:48] >> Well we increased so the value is and

[4:11:51] the for sure investment or the value is

[4:11:54] that we are going from

[4:11:55] >> I I I resent

[4:11:58] I don't think it's okay to quick go back

[4:12:00] and forth like that. If I make a

[4:12:02] comment, my catch is I think that's what

[4:12:05] starts the the back and forth part.

[4:12:11] >> You can answer. Go ahead.

[4:12:14] >> Uh

[4:12:16] in this I I know Trish, you you keep

[4:12:18] saying I wish the neighborhood would

[4:12:20] have received one of those cards. I want

[4:12:22] it to be known. You would have received

[4:12:24] one of those cards

[4:12:26] knowing because you are a neighbor

[4:12:28] deciding on this. you're you're pretty

[4:12:31] more privy than most, but you haven't

[4:12:33] said that.

[4:12:37] » Okay. So, when I will just state that

[4:12:39] when you when you add when you take one

[4:12:42] home per one acre and you allow two

[4:12:45] homes per one acre, you are doubling

[4:12:48] your homes. So, when we talk about

[4:12:50] needing homes in this community, if we

[4:12:52] go from one per acre to two per acre,

[4:12:55] that means we get double the amount. And

[4:12:58] then if we go to three per acre, we get

[4:12:59] triple the amount. And four per acre

[4:13:01] means we get four times the amount. And

[4:13:03] to me, the conversation is we need more

[4:13:06] homes. And so what we're doing is we are

[4:13:08] for sure ensuring that more homes can be

[4:13:11] built on that one acre of land. And that

[4:13:13] is what our when you talk about making

[4:13:16] sure that we are getting something out

[4:13:18] of that land, that is what we are

[4:13:20] getting. And that's that's the way I

[4:13:22] feel about it. And I will call for a

[4:13:24] vote. So all those in favor

[4:13:29] >> I

[4:13:30] >> and those opposed.

[4:13:32] All right, that passes 43 with

[4:13:33] Commissioner Hadler, Commissioner Man,

[4:13:35] and Commissioner Haden in opposition.

[4:13:39] And with that, we are done with our

[4:13:40] regular meetings. Um well, we're going

[4:13:42] to close session.

[4:13:45] Oh,

[4:13:46] >> I was just going to suggest that the the

[4:13:48] commission go through discussion items,

[4:13:50] general reports, and go through any of

[4:13:52] those items. and then we're going to go

[4:13:54] into close session and then we have to

[4:13:55] come out and vote on 21. That way if

[4:13:57] anybody is looking to listen to anything

[4:13:59] that's the bottom of the agenda they

[4:14:02] would understand that the last item is

[4:14:04] the uh item one.

[4:14:06] >> Okay. So on general commission reports

[4:14:10] and we already had future considerations

[4:14:12] if anyone wants to share a piece of

[4:14:13] their commissioning for I'm happy to

[4:14:15] hear it.

[4:14:18] Anyone?

[4:14:20] No. I can't see Trish are on there and

[4:14:24] elected officials report or

[4:14:27] commissioners report.

[4:14:31] » I can give a very brief update on OSA.

[4:14:35] >> Okay.

[4:14:36] >> This point u relaying information that

[4:14:39] our department head Angie Book provided.

[4:14:42] Uh the playground and pickle ball

[4:14:44] projects are continuing to progress. Um

[4:14:49] they're making a lot of progress right

[4:14:51] now. They're the the landscaping may be

[4:14:54] a little bit delayed, but hopefully uh

[4:14:58] and I say this with all reservation that

[4:15:02] we are hopeful that the first half of

[4:15:05] September may be when both projects are

[4:15:09] completed. So they are progressing and

[4:15:12] we're looking forward to those finishing

[4:15:14] up, but they are making lots of progress

[4:15:17] currently. Good. Thank you.

[4:15:19] >> That's great. Okay. So, any other any

[4:15:23] other comments or we're going to go into

[4:15:24] close session? We'll come back out.

[4:15:26] We'll have one more vote and then the

[4:15:28] meeting will be adjourned.

[4:15:30] So, do we have Well, one, two, three,

[4:15:33] four. Go ahead, Sean.

[4:15:35] >> I'll make a motion to go into close

[4:15:36] session to discuss uh litigation. I'll

[4:15:39] second that. Is

[4:15:40] >> that what it is?

[4:15:42] >> Yes.

[4:15:43] >> Okay. All in favor?

[4:15:46] I

[4:15:51] » with two absent that passes.

[4:15:54] >> Yes.

[4:15:54] >> All right. We'll take little breaks and

[4:15:56] we'll come back.

[4:15:59] I don't know if we'll go again.

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