[0:00] He likely won't get here. He's dealing

[0:01] with a car broke out on the side of the

[0:03] road that his son

[0:04] >> had a small issue with. And then Jeff is

[0:07] coming from

[0:10] the mosquito abatement meeting as soon

[0:11] as he's finished.

[0:14] >> Um,

[0:21] [clears throat]

[0:28] welcome everybody. This is a combined

[0:30] work meeting of the Grantsville City

[0:32] Council and the Planning Commission. For

[0:34] the record, today's date is April 14th,

[0:37] 2026, and the time is 7:02 p.m. This

[0:40] meeting is being held at the Grantsville

[0:42] City Council Chambers at 429 East Main

[0:45] Street, Grantsville, Utah, as well as

[0:48] electronically by Zoom. I am Mayor Heidi

[0:51] Hammond, and I will conduct a roll call.

[0:53] Council Member Thomas is not here at the

[0:56] moment. We will um add his name if he is

[0:58] able to arrive. Council member Williams

[1:01] is excused for the first half hour as he

[1:03] is attending another meeting. Council

[1:05] member Butler

[1:06] >> present.

[1:07] >> Council member Dalton

[1:08] >> here.

[1:09] >> Council member Skinner

[1:10] >> here.

[1:11] >> Planning Commission Chair Moore

[1:14] >> here.

[1:15] >> Uh Commissioner Hill

[1:16] >> here.

[1:17] >> Commissioner Montgomery

[1:19] >> here.

[1:19] >> Commissioner Merrill here.

[1:21] >> Commissioner Molton here. Alternate

[1:23] Commissioner Horox

[1:28] not present. Um, if you would please

[1:30] join me in the pledge of allegiance.

[1:38] » I aliance to the flag of the United

[1:42] States of America and to the republic

[1:45] for which it stands, one nation under

[1:48] God, indivisible, with liberty and

[1:50] justice for all. Thank you.

[1:58] The purpose of tonight's meeting is to

[2:00] hear presentations regarding the

[2:02] Grantsville City master plan and the

[2:04] proposed amendments to the park and

[2:06] transportation capital facilities plans

[2:09] impact fee facilities plans and the

[2:11] impact fee analysis. These are only

[2:14] presentation and discussion and no

[2:16] formal action will be made tonight or

[2:19] public comment taken. Uh, agenda item

[2:23] number one is a discussion regarding the

[2:24] Grantsville City Master Transportation

[2:27] Plan, including current conditions,

[2:29] future transportation needs, and

[2:31] potential improvements.

[2:35] » Thank you.

[2:36] >> I'm assuming that's my

[2:37] >> I think that's your cue. Yes. [laughter]

[2:39] >> I'm going to move these tall chairs so I

[2:41] can see everybody.

[2:43] >> Um,

[2:44] >> are you wanting to plug in?

[2:46] >> Yes.

[2:47] >> You want to sit down and plug in or do

[2:48] you want to plug in?

[2:51] Um,

[2:54] yeah, I'll stand up there. Actually,

[2:55] that's probably easier.

[3:09] » Planning Commission, you get to see my

[3:11] good side. Uh, council, you get to see

[3:13] my bad side. [clears throat] So,

[3:16] um,

[3:17] okay. First off, I'll go ahead and

[3:19] introduce myself. Um, I apologize. My

[3:23] counterpart that's norm normally with

[3:25] me, we got double booked tonight, so

[3:27] he's in Helper City tonight. Um, I got

[3:29] to draw the good straw and come to

[3:31] Grantsville. Um, I'm a clean farmer with

[3:34] Jones and Deville Engineering. We used

[3:36] to have an office in Tilla. We did close

[3:40] that office because we couldn't find

[3:42] anybody to to sit in it. Um, but we do

[3:45] still do a lot of work up here for

[3:47] Grantsville, Toilla County, um, Toilla

[3:50] City, and other municipalities.

[3:52] Um, I'm [clears throat] out of our

[3:54] headquarter office, which is in

[3:56] Richfield, um, Utah, down in central

[3:59] Utah, but we serve basically everywhere

[4:03] in in Utah, some in Colorado, and some

[4:06] in Idaho as well.

[4:08] Um

[4:09] we've been working on this

[4:11] transportation plan for the past about

[4:14] eight months. Um working through the

[4:18] model. The model is pretty intense here

[4:20] in the Twilla Tilla Valley. Um just to

[4:24] give you some background on myself and

[4:26] the work that we've done here, I did the

[4:28] Twilla County transportation master

[4:30] plan. We partnered with Methods

[4:32] Consulting on this one as well as the

[4:35] Toilla Valley um transportation plan and

[4:39] then we um Methods Consulting did your

[4:42] West Bank study and that's who we used

[4:44] for the modeling piece of this study as

[4:46] well. Um [clears throat] so to give you

[4:51] some background, we started this study

[4:53] with data collection. We worked with

[4:55] UDOT. UD do just finished up their

[4:58] regional transportation plan here in the

[5:00] Twilla Valley as well. So, we used that

[5:03] as our basis to start with the planning

[5:06] process. Um, [clears throat] and I'm

[5:09] going to get into a little bit more

[5:10] detail on that here in a few minutes. I

[5:12] apologize. It's been really windy in

[5:14] Richfield, so I my allergies have kicked

[5:16] up, so I'll be taking some water breaks

[5:19] here here and there. Um, so long long

[5:24] story short, we did data collection. We

[5:26] brought all the data that we got and

[5:28] brought it into a single spot. We then

[5:31] took and added our traffic counts that

[5:34] we did. You probably saw some tubes

[5:36] throughout the city last year um across

[5:39] the roads. As you drove over those

[5:41] tubes, we counted each vehicle. We also

[5:44] classified each vehicle. So, we got the

[5:46] truck percentage that you guys um have

[5:49] on each road on the major roads. We

[5:51] didn't do every road. Um we also

[5:55] collected um pavement condition um of

[5:58] each road. And I'll show you the

[6:00] condition of each road here in a minute

[6:02] as well. And then we helped public works

[6:04] with a pavement plan for how to get your

[6:08] roads in better condition. I have that

[6:10] as well tonight to show you as well. Um

[6:13] the bulk of the work that we did though

[6:15] was in the modeling and what happens in

[6:18] the years 2035, 204, 2045 and at full

[6:22] buildout. Um so I'm going to go through

[6:26] each one of these maps. This is the

[6:28] website that we created for you so you

[6:30] have a place to house your

[6:32] transportation plan. Um so I'm going to use this as the bulk of my

[6:36] presentation tonight. Um for the

[6:39] planning commission as well. This is an

[6:41] open discussion um with the council with

[6:45] planning commission. So if there are any

[6:46] questions just interrupt me um if

[6:49] somebody wouldn't mind if you guys just

[6:51] yell um so I can stop I won't be able to

[6:55] see you as well. Um

[6:59] [clears throat] so

[6:59] >> sorry

[7:00] >> you're good.

[7:02] Any questions before we start?

[7:07] Okay.

[7:09] All right. So, the website, and this is

[7:12] going to be available for the public. I

[7:14] will say we're going to hold a public

[7:16] openhouse in two weeks. I just put a

[7:19] poster up here in the front office. Um,

[7:21] we emailed Shelby. Did you get that

[7:24] email today? We emailed Shelby a flyer

[7:27] to post on Facebook. And then we also

[7:30] have a um a poster in the library as

[7:34] well to advertise that. Um, so the

[7:37] public openhouse will be held in two

[7:38] weeks. There's QR codes on the posters

[7:41] that you can access this website with.

[7:44] You can view it on your phone. It's

[7:47] [clears throat] not as user friendly on

[7:48] a phone. I will say that it's a lot

[7:50] easier to use on a computer itself.

[7:54] Um, but starting with project overview,

[7:57] I won't read all of this. You guys can

[7:59] go through and read this um on your own,

[8:02] but basically it talks about the need

[8:04] for the study. gives a little bit of an

[8:06] overview of Grantsville itself and

[8:08] talking about the growth concerns and

[8:10] challenges that Grantsville is seeing

[8:13] currently.

[8:15] The next tab

[8:18] is your [clears throat] socioeconomic

[8:19] data. Now, I have to put a caveat on

[8:22] this data. Um, because the census was

[8:27] done in 2020, this data is going to be

[8:30] quite a bit off. The reason being is we

[8:32] saw a lot of inflation from 2020 to

[8:35] 2026.

[8:36] Um so you'll see like uh median home

[8:40] value that's probably a little low. Um

[8:44] as well as some of the incomes and the

[8:47] population data here as well. Um the

[8:50] reason we don't put anything other than

[8:53] the census data on here is those are

[8:55] just projections. Um, and so we we we

[9:00] put this data in here as our base. Um,

[9:02] but we when we're doing the travel

[9:04] demand modeling that we do for the

[9:06] study, we don't use this data. We use um

[9:11] data from the U of actually on current

[9:14] population statistics.

[9:20] All right. This is the bulk of the

[9:22] conversation today. So, what I would

[9:25] like to do is

[9:28] go through each one of these maps

[9:31] um with you. I'm going to breeze over

[9:34] these maps quickly and then we're going

[9:36] to come back and get into the fine

[9:39] details of each map itself. Um so, the

[9:43] roadway classification network um this

[9:47] is the classification of roads within

[9:50] the city. So the left hand side shows

[9:54] the current classification. So you'll

[9:56] see on the left hand side there's not a

[9:58] lot of roads that are colored.

[10:00] Uh each color means a different thing.

[10:03] So like your red lines are your

[10:04] highways, green are your minor

[10:07] arterials. So sometimes those are

[10:09] highways as well. Uh the purple are

[10:12] major collectors. Those are typically

[10:14] city streets that have high volumes. The

[10:16] yellow roads are minor collectors. So

[10:19] those come just under major collectors

[10:22] and then the black are local roads.

[10:24] [snorts] Um the orange are

[10:28] um or expressways. Those are more like

[10:31] your your freeway type roads as well. So

[10:35] you can see on the left hand side that's

[10:37] your current road network. On the right

[10:39] hand side uh we're showing what the full

[10:41] buildout would look like um for the

[10:45] city. This [clears throat] does not

[10:47] include local roads. We don't plan for

[10:51] every street within the city. We simply

[10:55] show the type of road that needs to go

[10:57] in to get traffic to go in and

[11:00] throughout the city and then we allow

[11:03] build out between those roads itself.

[11:07] I'm going to come back to this map. This

[11:09] is probably the bulk of what we'll talk

[11:11] about today and the questions that I

[11:13] have for the council and the planning

[11:15] commission.

[11:16] Um, but I will I'll come back to this

[11:19] map here in a minute.

[11:20] >> Could we could we just pause for just a

[11:22] second?

[11:23] >> Can you guys all see that? Okay. Do you

[11:25] want us to move

[11:26] >> that?

[11:28] Grab that. Shift it over.

[11:30] >> Do these Do you guys have screens?

[11:32] >> We all have screens. Oh, okay.

[11:34] But everyone in the gallery

[11:38] » now your neck won't be

[11:41] >> this is this proposal we have here on

[11:42] the right is that at 2050 or what year

[11:45] >> yeah 2050

[11:47] >> it's not [clears throat] sharing on the

[11:49] >> okay

[11:49] >> zoom meeting

[11:54] » do I need to do I need to log into Zoom

[11:57] >> um not typically but it's not sharing on

[11:59] the Zoom meeting person

[12:02] why that would

[12:04] Is there any way you could like X out of

[12:06] the legend just really quick on your end

[12:10] and just

[12:11] >> There you go. I think that was kind of

[12:13] helpful. Just

[12:15] >> right. I tried that and that out.

[12:20] » I'm just gonna try something really

[12:22] quick.

[12:23] >> Okay.

[12:29] » This website

[12:37] Well, it's not sharing his screen to

[12:39] Zoom and the people online if anybody's

[12:43] online. So, I'm trying to get it to

[12:46] >> I can log in as well if I need to.

[12:49] >> Do you would you mind and then that way

[12:51] I know it will work.

[12:52] >> Can you just send me the link?

[12:54] >> Yeah. Okay.

[12:57] >> We need to notify that um council member

[12:59] Williams has joined us. Thank you. Thank

[13:01] you.

[13:07] » Um, do you just want to scan that short

[13:09] code? There's that's all the

[13:51] While they're working through some of

[13:52] these technical things, I thought I

[13:53] might give you a little bit of

[13:54] background from a land use standpoint as

[13:57] to how this all plays in together. And um

[14:02] there are assumptions that are made with

[14:04] regard to the data that um you start

[14:07] with the the base population numbers and

[14:09] then you try to

[14:23] So you try to project out. Thank you.

[14:26] >> That was my voice like 20 million times.

[14:28] That was cool.

[14:29] >> Um you try to project out based on the

[14:32] anticipated growth, the um growth

[14:35] patterns and the current zoning as well

[14:38] as what uh could go in in those areas.

[14:42] We look at areas that are in the

[14:43] annexation plan. We look at areas that

[14:46] are nearby adjacent development and we

[14:49] try to put numbers to those things that

[14:51] um are both in keeping with what we've

[14:53] seen historically but also with uh what

[14:57] we're going to project out for the next

[15:00] 20 30 50 100 years. None of us has a

[15:04] crystal ball obviously uh so we don't

[15:07] know exactly how and when these

[15:09] developments are going to come in and

[15:10] when this would fill in but uh the the

[15:14] conventional thinking is that if we

[15:16] don't ask for the right of way now when

[15:21] it comes time to [snorts]

[15:24] develop out these areas and we need that

[15:26] right of way if we haven't asked for it will never be there um I started work

[15:32] in Saratoga Springs almost 20 years ago

[15:35] and you would not have known 20 years

[15:38] ago what a mess it would be like in

[15:40] Saratoga Springs 20 years later. The

[15:43] roads that were in however uh on the

[15:47] plans then included some areas that had

[15:49] 180 foot rideways. We're not asking for

[15:52] anything near that much here. Well,

[15:54] except for one road um which uh MLAN

[15:57] we'll get into. But um I just bring that

[16:00] up as a case study to point out that uh

[16:03] we're doing the best we can here and

[16:05] trying to plan for and project out where

[16:07] what these roads will need to look like

[16:09] and what network we're going to want to

[16:12] see

[16:13] for the next hundred years or or more.

[16:17] Um there are roads as you know

[16:19] historically that have been in place for

[16:21] thousands of years. The Romans were

[16:23] great road [clears throat] builders and

[16:25] a lot of their roads are still in use

[16:27] today obviously with repavement and

[16:30] other things. So, um just wanting to

[16:32] give you that context uh from a a land

[16:34] use standpoint and from a a

[16:37] transportation master plan perspective.

[16:40] This is where we're headed with these

[16:42] things and um so to turn it back over to

[16:45] you.

[16:45] >> Perfect. Thank you. [clears throat]

[16:48] » Okay. Um,

[16:53] this next tab, I'm going to breeze over

[16:55] these next three because they're um

[16:58] relatively

[17:00] um they're important but not as

[17:02] important for tonight's discussion.

[17:05] Let's see if I can get it to load.

[17:15] Okay. So, this next uh page that you see

[17:18] on the website is the roadway surface

[17:20] type map. So, we have asphalt, gravel,

[17:23] and dirt. This is how your UD do funds

[17:25] are allocated to the city for your uh SE

[17:29] road funding. So, your pave roads get a

[17:32] certain amount of money, your gravel

[17:33] roads get a certain amount of money, and

[17:35] then your dirt roads get a certain

[17:37] amount of money. We have pro provided

[17:39] the city with an update. So they can

[17:41] send that to UD do and get the most

[17:43] money they can get based on the current

[17:46] road mileage within the city.

[17:51] This next map is a average

[17:54] [clears throat] daily traffic map. So

[17:56] each of these blue dots that you see on

[17:58] the screen you can click on. This is

[18:00] where we put a traffic counter down with

[18:02] those two tubes that go across the

[18:04] roads. Um so the ADT is the average

[18:08] daily traffic. The AD weekday is the

[18:11] average daily traffic on the weekday.

[18:14] Um, then you can scroll down to the

[18:17] bottom

[18:20] and you can see

[18:23] all of your percentages of the types of

[18:26] vehicles that you're seeing on that

[18:27] road. So, for example, this passenger

[18:31] vehicle, you have 91% of those are

[18:34] passenger vehicles on that road. Um and

[18:38] then your heavy trucks um down here are

[18:43] 3% of that total.

[18:46] So for each of those points, you can

[18:49] click on those. You can see the same

[18:52] data for those. And this [clears throat]

[18:54] is how we calibrated the model. So UD do

[18:57] has a regionwide model and we use this

[19:00] data to calibrate the model itself. So

[19:02] we make sure we have current data as a

[19:06] base point to start with the modeling

[19:08] piece.

[19:10] >> Can you go back to that? I'm sorry. Now

[19:13] I see the [clears throat] the legend

[19:15] there. Just kind of clear off those two.

[19:18] See that?

[19:19] >> Yeah.

[19:21] >> Straighten your

[19:22] >> Yeah.

[19:23] >> So main is obviously the heaviest

[19:24] travel. So you're not showing sheep.

[19:29] That's not

[19:32] >> I think it's the red one.

[19:33] >> Yeah, that's the red one.

[19:35] >> Which one was that?

[19:36] >> She blamed

[19:37] >> Oh,

[19:39] that one has 6700 vehicles on it during

[19:42] the weekday and just just over 5,000

[19:47] average.

[19:51] What is Main Street

[19:54] >> on the We didn't do Main Street on the U

[19:57] dot right away because you're not over

[19:59] that. But on the west side,

[20:02] >> you are 2000.

[20:03] >> Yeah.

[20:06] » And you can click on each of these

[20:08] points to see.

[20:09] >> Is that Dery? The one that's

[20:12] >> Yeah. Dery Street. So Dery

[20:15] East is the uh as the point.

[20:19] Oh, on this one.

[20:20] >> Yeah,

[20:22] >> this this [clears throat]

[20:24] question may come. You might be able to

[20:25] say just you're gonna answer it later,

[20:27] but yeah, as you look at this and your

[20:28] projections of what it's going to look

[20:29] like in the future, are you also giving

[20:31] recommendations on how the road should

[20:33] be constructed looking forward because

[20:35] obviously truck traffic is going to

[20:36] impact a road more, heavy traffic is

[20:38] going to impact the road more.

[20:39] >> Oh, you're talking like thicknesses,

[20:41] [clears throat]

[20:41] >> just how you build the road. So, if

[20:42] you're if you have more semi-tra, that's

[20:44] what tears up roads, not cars.

[20:46] >> Yeah. And so I'm just wondering if

[20:47] that's going to be part of the projected

[20:48] plan. So is the city's planning for,

[20:50] hey, this road going to get higher use

[20:51] and it's going to increase on heavy

[20:53] truck traffic, but we need to make sure

[20:55] it's built to the correct standards. We

[20:58] need to redo it.

[20:58] >> We don't specifically look at that. Um,

[21:01] we do look at the pavement condition and

[21:04] give you a treatment type to fix it. Um,

[21:07] but as far as the design of the road

[21:09] goes, that's that'll come when the

[21:11] design actually happens. When we do the

[21:15] pavement treatment type, we're

[21:16] estimating based on

[21:19] typical practice. So like if we do an

[21:21] overlay, we put 2 in on typically to

[21:24] help with the structure. But as far as

[21:26] the crosssections go, that's something

[21:28] that we talked about in our last

[21:30] meeting. Typically there's an ongoing um

[21:34] project after this to update those

[21:36] standards for the crosssections itself.

[21:39] >> Okay. Just out of curiosity, does

[21:42] anybody from the city happen to know

[21:44] that the traffic counts for Main Street?

[21:47] >> Yeah, if you give me

[21:49] >> Okay. I just was cur I'm just curious.

[21:51] [clears throat]

[21:52] >> Okay.

[21:52] >> I can pull that up.

[21:54] >> This might be old, but like 18,000 cards

[21:57] per day.

[21:58] >> 18,000. Okay.

[22:00] >> Might be a little bit outdated,

[22:02] >> but it's at least that.

[22:04] >> And I would guess Mormon Trail and Maine

[22:06] are the heaviest truck in the country.

[22:09] I would think so.

[22:14] » I don't know. The truck traffic would be

[22:16] pretty intense on Sheep Lane as well. I

[22:18] would

[22:18] >> I would think

[22:24] maybe

[22:39] It's going to take a minute to load.

[22:49] So, the last count on the east side was

[22:51] 11,000.

[22:53] A lot of times we find these counts are

[22:55] not that accurate.

[22:59] » Yeah, 11,000 is what it's showing.

[23:04] You know when they did those counts?

[23:06] >> Um,

[23:11] this one's saying 2024.

[23:14] >> I'm just seeing they're different on the

[23:16] east side.

[23:19] » The same line.

[23:24] » Yeah, the east side see lower than that.

[23:26] >> Yeah, this is not right. Yeah.

[23:29] >> So, the problem with some of you do's

[23:31] data is the KMZ file they use sometimes

[23:36] doesn't get updated clearly.

[23:38] >> So, I cuz if if she plans getting 6,000,

[23:41] that highway is probably getting at

[23:43] least 12, I would think.

[23:45] >> Um,

[23:49] » yeah,

[23:49] >> thank you.

[23:50] >> So, there's a there's a gap there. This

[23:52] says 6,000 right there, and this says

[23:56] 12.

[23:57] So,

[24:00] okay.

[24:05] This one I'll breeze over. This is

[24:08] a heat map for Grantsville. This takes

[24:10] all the state crash data and puts it

[24:12] into hotspots. So, for the city, you can

[24:15] take this, you can zoom in

[24:21] and see all the hot spots within the

[24:23] city. Of course, 90% of your crashes are

[24:27] going to probably be on the the main

[24:29] street, but you can see all the smaller

[24:31] crashes or smaller heat marks around the

[24:35] city as well. There's maybe a bad

[24:38] intersection there at Dery Street. Um,

[24:41] >> we have picked these and we didn't need

[24:43] you to tell us. [laughter]

[24:45] >> Probably high school's probably high.

[24:48] Yep. So, you can see all the little hot

[24:50] spots um throughout the city. Um, I will

[24:54] say these are only reported crashes. So

[24:56] if they're not reported to the state,

[24:58] they're not part of this data.

[25:03] Um, this is your active transportation

[25:04] map. All we did simply on this one is we

[25:07] took your current active transportation

[25:09] plan that you have and put it on the

[25:12] website. So we had no part in

[25:15] determining where these trails go.

[25:21] Um, truck routes. Uh, this is a truck

[25:23] route map. Um, I will say we are going

[25:26] to add the depot road on the south end

[25:28] of the city on this. Um, but this is

[25:31] what we've came up with for a truck

[25:33] route map. Does anybody have any

[25:35] comments or concerns about this one?

[25:39] Um, I would think that Burmeister would

[25:42] maybe be on included in that, but maybe

[25:45] I mean I didn't look closely at what you

[25:47] showed as truck traffic on Burmeister,

[25:49] but

[25:49] >> it was about three. The hard part with

[25:51] Burmeister right now is

[25:53] >> that turn to get out of the city.

[25:56] >> Um, once that's fixed, it's going to go

[25:59] up.

[26:00] >> Um,

[26:00] >> or if that ever gets fixed,

[26:03] >> I should say.

[26:04] >> We as staff requested to pull Burmeister

[26:06] off because of that turn.

[26:07] >> Okay. Um, so I mean from

[26:09] >> So you don't want it listed as truck

[26:10] traffic. Got it.

[26:11] >> So I mean

[26:12] >> from Industrial

[26:15] Parkway north, new truck traffic, but we

[26:18] don't want them coming south

[26:19] >> into town that direction.

[26:21] >> That way.

[26:21] >> Okay.

[26:22] >> Um, but one road that we did want to add

[26:24] is that North Army Depot road.

[26:28] >> Yeah.

[26:29] >> This one, right?

[26:30] >> Yeah. Okay.

[26:35] » Okay. Um,

[26:37] Let me show you this really quick.

[26:42] So part of the study was also looking at

[26:45] current conditions of the streets within

[26:49] Grantsville City. Um

[26:53] so we partnered with a company called

[26:55] Violytics. They're an AI company based

[26:58] out of Germany. They're backed by

[27:00] Volkswagen. That's where their startup

[27:02] money came from. Um, but what we do is

[27:06] we mount a a phone in the windshield of

[27:08] a car. Um, and it takes a picture every

[27:11] 10 ft. And what it's doing as it's going

[27:14] down the road, it's picking up every

[27:16] crack and every pothole, every different

[27:20] type of distress within that picture.

[27:23] And every picture gets rated and then

[27:26] those pictures combine into a segment.

[27:28] And each segment gets a segment score.

[27:31] [clears throat]

[27:32] So what I'm showing you today is not me

[27:34] telling you this is what condition your

[27:36] roads are in. This is an unbiased

[27:39] opinion on the condition of the roads

[27:41] within Gransville.

[27:44] So based on that assessment that we did,

[27:56] these are the conditions of your oats.

[27:59] So the more blue it is, the better it

[28:01] is. Then it goes to green, then it goes

[28:03] to more like a yellowish, then a orange,

[28:06] and then a red. So your roads are

[28:09] actually in pretty pretty decent shape.

[28:13] Um,

[28:14] I'm going to pull up the app

[28:20] so we can zoom in on these a little

[28:22] better.

[28:31] So this app the city staff has access to

[28:34] as well. We just onboarded the city to

[28:37] be able to use the system in house as

[28:39] well. Um but each one of these streets

[28:42] has a condition to it. Um city staff has

[28:46] access to all the image data that was

[28:50] collected as well. So, they can come in

[28:52] here

[28:57] and you can drive down the street just

[28:58] like you would Google Earth um with an

[29:02] updated image. City staff also has um

[29:06] all of the manholes, all the signs

[29:09] within the city. So, I'll turn those on.

[29:15] They have all the signage. We have all

[29:17] of the different issues with signs. So,

[29:21] for example, I can filter out hidden

[29:23] signs and click on that. It will show me

[29:25] a picture and show trees in front of

[29:27] those um signs. So, I can go trim trees

[29:29] and stuff like that as well.

[29:32] Um this is all automated simply by just

[29:35] driving the road and uploading images

[29:38] and then it pops out into this system.

[29:43] So, we took this data and we said,

[29:46] "Okay, what is it going to take to get

[29:50] the roads to stay in good condition

[29:52] first and then fix the ones that are in

[29:54] poor condition?"

[30:01] So, you can see on the map here the

[30:04] different treatment types. Um, there's a

[30:07] lot of different treatment types here.

[30:09] So, there's a lot of different colors.

[30:11] Um, but there's mill and fill and

[30:14] overlay. Those are roads that

[30:16] [clears throat] are in fair condition

[30:17] that just need a rehab to them. Um,

[30:20] crack seal. Um, those are roads that are

[30:22] in good condition. We just want to make

[30:24] sure we seal those cracks off from uh

[30:27] allowing water to penetrate into the

[30:29] base. Um, crack seal and chip seal.

[30:32] those those are roads that are in good

[30:34] condition but have their existing

[30:36] surface asphalt surface exposed because

[30:40] we don't want the sun to bake the

[30:41] asphalt out of the asphalt mix. Um the

[30:46] red roads are those that are in the

[30:49] worst shape and need the most help. Um

[30:53] so we're recommending those to be fully

[30:55] reconstructed

[30:57] um to mitigate for all the cracking

[31:00] within those streets.

[31:02] So for example, anybody want to look at

[31:05] a certain road.

[31:09] » It can be the one you live on if you

[31:11] want.

[31:13] >> This is unbiased. So

[31:14] >> willow street.

[31:15] >> Okay. You got to guide me there.

[31:18] >> Right.

[31:19] >> Yep.

[31:20] >> Right. Okay. doing stuff.

[31:27] » So you can see

[31:29] >> right there.

[31:30] >> This one.

[31:31] >> Mhm.

[31:39] » So the city staff can come in. They and

[31:42] we can give access to really anybody.

[31:44] It's just depending on who you want to

[31:47] see this data. Um, we can go drive the

[31:51] road and see.

[31:53] >> This is only a couple weeks old, if

[31:54] that.

[31:55] >> Yeah,

[31:58] a couple days.

[32:00] >> So, you can see the patching, some of

[32:02] the patching that's gone on. Um, there's

[32:05] some potholes cracking. You can zoom in

[32:07] and see

[32:11] um some of the longitudinal. Looks like

[32:13] there was a trench cut. Um and then you

[32:17] can go in and see all of the manholes

[32:20] itself on that [snorts] road and it will

[32:23] tell you if those manholes are low, even

[32:26] or too high. Um so those can go be fixed

[32:30] as well.

[32:32] Um so this this data is on the on the

[32:36] transportation plan simply more for

[32:39] information for the public to say okay

[32:42] these are the current conditions of the

[32:44] roads. the this is our plan to fix the

[32:46] roads. Um the hard part is convincing

[32:50] the public that you should keep your

[32:52] good roads in good condition and fix the

[32:56] bad roads when you get funding for that.

[33:01] » Yeah.

[33:02] >> Did uh the

[33:05] overlay get out to um highway 112 and

[33:10] shoot plane

[33:13] >> uh this one. Yeah. The one. Yeah. One

[33:15] east. That's one east southeast.

[33:19] >> Yeah.

[33:19] Okay.

[33:21] >> That y

[33:22] >> Yeah. Thank you.

[33:27] » Okay.

[33:29] [snorts]

[33:30] This is where we get into um the phasing

[33:34] of the roads in order to take care of

[33:36] the traffic that's coming to Gransville

[33:38] as growth happens. So, we've got three

[33:42] phases that we split this into. So,

[33:45] phase one, um well, actually, let me let

[33:48] me show you this first.

[33:56] So, the right hand side is if we do

[33:57] nothing. The left hand side is if we do

[34:00] something.

[34:02] So, the right hand side shows if we

[34:05] don't do anything in by 2035.

[34:09] This is the condition of or the traffic

[34:11] condition within Grantsville. So the red

[34:14] means bad, yellow means moderate, green

[34:16] means good. So if we do nothing and let

[34:19] the city grow, these roads are going to

[34:22] be failing, meaning you're going to have

[34:23] bumperto-bumper traffic in those

[34:25] sections of road um at that year. If we

[34:31] add certain roads, which I'll show you

[34:32] here in a second, if we build the roads

[34:35] that we're proposing to be put in, then

[34:38] this is the condition of those roads on

[34:40] the left hand side.

[34:45] 2042,

[34:48] same thing. If we do nothing on the

[34:51] right hand side, this is what the

[34:52] condition of those roads are going to be

[34:54] as far as traffic goes. You can see some

[34:56] of these start to downgrade. But if we

[34:59] add the roads that we're proposing in on

[35:01] the left hand side, this is the

[35:03] condition that you're in. And same thing

[35:05] for the next one, 2050. And I could

[35:08] probably just skip to 2050 on most of

[35:10] these. Um,

[35:13] if we did nothing, basically all of the

[35:16] roads are failing that are high traffic

[35:19] roads. And then if we add the roads

[35:22] around the city and through the city,

[35:24] we're looking like we're in pretty good

[35:27] shape except for one piece of Main

[35:29] Street. Um, which technically would have

[35:33] to go to seven lanes in order in order

[35:35] to fix that, which is going to be very

[35:37] hard because you have buildings on both

[35:39] sides.

[35:40] >> So what's a fail? What color is fail?

[35:42] >> Failing is red.

[35:45] Dark red.

[35:46] >> Hi. Could I make a comment and and I

[35:48] have ask you a question?

[35:50] >> Yeah.

[35:50] >> So many of the roads directly north of

[35:53] Grantsville that you have proposed there

[35:56] are not in Grantsville city limits. Are

[35:58] those plan county roads? Have you I mean

[36:01] you said you worked on the county plan.

[36:03] >> Yeah.

[36:04] >> So I mean those are within our annexed

[36:06] boundary. Yes.

[36:07] >> We have not annexed officially that land

[36:10] into the city yet. So, and that is

[36:12] >> I guess my question is I mean that's all

[36:15] fine and dandy, but um that's not part

[36:18] of the city.

[36:18] >> Correct. Currently, they're not

[36:20] currently.

[36:20] >> Yes. Well, we're looking in the future.

[36:22] So,

[36:23] >> I I see that.

[36:23] >> Let's say let's we're anticipating that

[36:27] annexation happening so that when it

[36:29] happens that you've planned for the

[36:32] traffic demand within the city or so.

[36:36] Okay. The other thing to note is 90% of

[36:41] these roads are only going to be built

[36:44] by developers, which I'll get into here

[36:46] in a minute as well. Um, some of these

[36:50] roads are going to be city roads, but

[36:52] the majority of them will be development

[36:54] driven. So, if developers don't develop

[36:56] or annex to develop within Grantsville

[36:59] City, a lot of these roads won't happen,

[37:02] nor will there need to be if the city

[37:05] doesn't grow. But this

[37:07] The anticipation is there will be growth

[37:09] within the city or annexed and then

[37:13] growth within the city that way.

[37:18] » What's the typical life of a new

[37:21] subdivision?

[37:22] >> So you design it for 20 years. Um but

[37:25] then you have to maintain it. So if you

[37:28] maintain it, it can last forever. If you

[37:31] don't maintain it, it'll go to gravel

[37:33] again.

[37:34] But

[37:35] >> 20 years is

[37:36] If you did nothing, 20 years is is where

[37:39] you'd be. Yeah.

[37:43] So, [clears throat] this tip list is

[37:44] your transportation improvement plan.

[37:47] So, the level of service over here looks

[37:50] at the congestion within the city. The

[37:53] transportation improvement plan is the

[37:55] roads that need to go in to fix the

[37:57] issues with congestion within within the

[38:00] city. So this coincides with what needs

[38:02] to happen by 2035 with the growth

[38:06] projections that are that are

[38:07] anticipated between now and 2035.

[38:10] So all the roads shown in yellow and red

[38:13] are those um

[38:17] roads that need to go in in order to

[38:19] provide adequate uh transportation

[38:22] access through the city. Um a lot of

[38:26] these Oh, come on.

[38:30] A lot of these are going to be developer

[38:33] related. For example, this these outer

[38:36] roads are all development driven.

[38:39] This northern piece is development

[38:41] driven. This uh this red road is

[38:44] development driven. These yellow roads

[38:47] are all road widening. So, a lot of

[38:49] these are UD do. So, this one's UD do.

[38:52] Um this one's U DOT. This might be a

[38:55] combination of uh city and county um and

[39:00] then some city widenings as well as well

[39:03] as county improvements too.

[39:06] >> How much of that loop is actually

[39:09] existing right now?

[39:10] >> Uh which one? This

[39:12] >> the red loop basically.

[39:15] >> None of that. Yeah. [clears throat]

[39:19] >> What is that yellow line? Is that south?

[39:23] There's a portion of it that's existing.

[39:24] Part of it's not Green Street.

[39:26] >> Yes.

[39:27] there is a portion right in there.

[39:29] Yeah.

[39:30] >> Starting here, it's non-existent.

[39:33] >> Well, even even there, right there, that

[39:36] cross-section where your cursor just

[39:38] was, all that to the

[39:40] >> east

[39:40] >> to the east is all not non-existent as

[39:43] well.

[39:43] >> Willow Street.

[39:44] >> Yeah.

[39:44] >> Till you get to Willow. Yeah. [laughter]

[39:50] But this western piece, nothing's in

[39:52] that. [clears throat]

[39:56] So if we same thing on the next one,

[39:59] this is phase two going to 204 2042.

[40:06] So these are the roads. The black roads

[40:08] are the roads we just looked at. So the

[40:10] 2035 roads, 2042 roads are the ones in

[40:14] yellow and red. So, this little piece um

[40:18] just off of Maine would need to be

[40:20] widened by UDOT. And then the red roads

[40:24] would need to go in for adequate flow

[40:26] through the city.

[40:29] >> And that that red road at the bottom,

[40:32] >> that's the depot road, correct? Okay.

[40:34] >> Correct. Yep.

[40:39] And the last one, this is that full

[40:42] buildout, of course.

[40:44] >> [clears throat]

[40:46] >> Basically, the rest of those collector

[40:49] roads that we that are needed are shown

[40:51] here. The black roads are the ones that

[40:54] are in 2042 and 2035.

[40:59] If you click on each of these, which is

[41:02] this is a good segue into our next

[41:05] discussion.

[41:08] If you click on each of these, these

[41:11] this is the number of lanes that are

[41:13] needed for the model to or for the

[41:16] traffic to flow through the city. So a

[41:18] three lane section is one lane in each

[41:21] direction with a center turn lane. Two

[41:23] lanes is one lane in each direction.

[41:26] Five lanes is two lanes in both

[41:29] directions and one center turn lane. So

[41:31] if you click on each of these, you can

[41:34] click on them and see

[41:36] [clears throat] the total number of

[41:38] lanes required for the traffic to flow

[41:40] through the city. Um

[41:44] so the bulk of the discussion tonight,

[41:47] I'm going to bring up three specific

[41:50] locations that we need to talk about.

[41:59] So down here on the west side

[42:03] you have a heavy um density or we have a

[42:08] heavy density of arterial roads which

[42:12] are 108 ft wide um in this area. Based

[42:17] on the modeling we did, most of the

[42:20] roads in the city, basically all of the

[42:22] city roads only need to be three lanes

[42:25] or less. Um,

[42:28] these green lines that we're showing are

[42:30] five lanes. Um, so my recommendation or

[42:35] the discussion tonight [clears throat]

[42:37] we need to discuss is do you want to

[42:40] continue to see all of these be five

[42:43] lane roads or do you anticipate or would

[42:46] you like to look at some of those being

[42:49] reduced to maybe a threelane corridor or

[42:51] a two-lane corridor? Um, so

[42:54] specifically, uh, Shelby, do you

[42:58] remember did we we discussed this one

[43:00] staying or was it this one?

[43:02] >> Um, so Matt Canyon needs to stay Main

[43:05] Street, um, which is that one is one

[43:07] that,

[43:09] um, is variable, but you're never it's

[43:13] going to be difficult to get the

[43:14] rightway back.

[43:15] >> Yes. Because it's already shrunk down to

[43:17] two lanes in some areas, right?

[43:19] >> So maybe the road doesn't need to be

[43:20] built out to a five or seven lane road.

[43:23] But if we have that right away, we can

[43:25] always build wider

[43:28] >> later on.

[43:29] >> right?

[43:31] >> And so that's why staff recommended to

[43:34] keep those um arterial or larger rideway

[43:38] widths. So in the event with the

[43:41] anticipated development going up there,

[43:43] we have the rightway widths.

[43:48] It's a purchase of private property back

[43:51] eminent domain to do the law of that

[43:53] >> eminent domain and I mean structures

[43:55] there then you're needing to tear down

[43:58] structures or things like that.

[44:05] » So specifically so this one has to stay

[44:08] this green

[44:09] >> the M canyon. Yeah, I would say so.

[44:12] >> Main Street, there's portions of that neck down to 80 ft and then back up

[44:16] to 108 ft. So, there's sections of this

[44:19] one that kind of skinny up. Um,

[44:24] there's also

[44:26] a depot road that kind of loops all the

[44:28] way around. These two are a little bit

[44:31] close together [clears throat] to be

[44:33] both minor arterials. Um

[44:39] so it's really up to up for discussion

[44:43] on

[44:45] do you keep this high density of

[44:47] arterials in this area. Um the only the

[44:51] only thing that I would

[44:54] um

[44:56] you have to be careful with requiring

[44:59] too much right away on every street um

[45:04] because the modeling doesn't give you

[45:06] justification necessarily to have that

[45:09] wide of a rideway. Um

[45:14] it doesn't hurt to get wider rightways.

[45:17] Um, but there's there's a

[45:22] chance that you could a developer could

[45:27] come to you and say, "Hey, you required

[45:29] too much right away. You should you got

[45:31] to give it back to me or pay me for it."

[45:34] Um, so that's a discussion for the

[45:36] council and planning commission to have

[45:39] tonight.

[45:40] And I don't know is your is your city

[45:42] attorney that Yeah. Is that you? Um is

[45:46] that the case?

[45:48] >> Yeah. So if we require larger ride

[45:50] ofways than then is necessary that would

[45:52] be considered a taking and we would need

[45:54] to compensate the developer for the

[45:57] required up size that we'd be looking

[45:59] for for a ride ofway.

[46:00] >> Right? So that's just one thing to

[46:03] consider tonight as we go. There's

[46:06] really three areas. There's this one and

[46:09] two others that I want to look at

[46:10] tonight. Um, with that,

[46:14] >> what's the minimum width of any of these

[46:16] roads?

[46:17] >> I think your smallest right away is 80.

[46:20] >> No, our smallest right away is 66.

[46:22] >> 66.

[46:23] >> Our max is

[46:27] » Yeah, I have some typical sections that

[46:29] we have drafted. Um,

[46:35] yeah. So, this is your 66 foot rideway.

[46:38] This is what it looks like.

[46:42] This is your 90 foot. So this is what

[46:46] your collector streets would look like.

[46:48] And then this is what the arterial looks

[46:51] like. So you have five lanes at full

[46:54] buildout

[46:56] with parking.

[47:00] » What's the width of this one more time?

[47:02] >> Uh this is 108 ft.

[47:04] >> That what about was the 60?

[47:06] >> Oh, this one's 90. And then

[47:10] uh

[47:12] 66.

[47:13] >> This one only 66.

[47:23] » You said that 108 was it five lane? But

[47:26] [clears throat]

[47:27] >> yes. So this picture is a little bit

[47:30] confusing because we cut it in half.

[47:32] >> Okay. So on the left hand side you're

[47:35] going to see if they don't build the

[47:37] full rideway all the way out. The right

[47:39] hand side is if they build it all the

[47:41] way out. So if they were to build both

[47:43] sides it would be mirrored

[47:46] >> on that side.

[47:48] >> Yep.

[47:52] Um,

[47:58] » and have you I guess ran this or

[48:01] coordinated who want to coordinate with

[48:03] you?

[48:04] >> Yes.

[48:04] >> Have you coordinated with them? Yeah.

[48:06] >> In regards to this, I guess the one

[48:07] question I would bring up is in

[48:09] coordinating with this like

[48:12] >> we have the Mid Valley Highway and then

[48:13] the other highways, are they actually

[48:15] talking possibly a freeway that could

[48:17] loop around all the way down? I don't

[48:18] know. Beat us.

[48:20] >> I don't think that's part of that.

[48:22] >> That's not part of their plan currently.

[48:25] Um

[48:27] >> that I'm aware of. We have the mid

[48:30] valley.

[48:32] >> This one

[48:35] >> and talking with Travis Heron dot and

[48:37] working with Jeff debate that has been a

[48:39] discussion for Grantville itself.

[48:42] Quilla, yes, but not Grantsville on Mid

[48:45] Valley Highway in the long future may

[48:49] turn into a freeway, but they're not

[48:51] anticipating that Grantsville will need

[48:52] a freeway.

[49:01] So, jumping back to this.

[49:04] Um,

[49:09] there are

[49:10] I mean,

[49:12] >> can you go back to that purple line that

[49:14] you were just barely on uh to your left?

[49:18] >> This one

[49:18] >> the dashed. Yes.

[49:19] >> Yeah. So,

[49:21] do we have homes in this area already

[49:24] that are

[49:27] not in

[49:30] >> Is that Walmart there? That

[49:31] >> Yes, that's Walmart. So, are there homes

[49:33] anywhere in that purple?

[49:35] >> No, there's like two homes to the east

[49:38] of it, but this is part of Sean

[49:39] Johnson's development.

[49:40] >> Okay. I'm talking more further um

[49:43] further south, like nowhere in there.

[49:45] Highlands,

[49:47] >> a bunch of town homes in there. Uh about

[49:49] where the green is, I think. Green and

[49:51] yellow, aren't there a bunch of top

[49:52] >> in here?

[49:53] >> No, there's not.

[49:54] >> There's still piece of that yellow green

[49:55] line.

[49:56] >> Okay. So, nothing in in this area is

[49:58] built out. Northstar or Northstar Ranch.

[50:01] None of that is in here. Okay.

[50:03] >> I mean, it'll be a part of it, but

[50:04] >> Right. But not yet.

[50:06] >> This little grade out area, you can see

[50:08] this is your annex limits currently.

[50:11] >> Okay.

[50:11] >> So, that's where your city limits are

[50:13] right now.

[50:14] >> So, the towns are back down on the

[50:15] highway. That's Yeah, I mean Sun is

[50:17] right there, but you're still not that

[50:19] far out. Northstar Ranch is south of

[50:21] there, but you're still

[50:22] >> still even inside that yellow line right

[50:24] there.

[50:25] >> Yeah, they're one way.

[50:32] » I guess that gives us a little

[50:33] perspective of how far up the bench

[50:35] these three

[50:37] roads will be. I guess [clears throat]

[50:43] » originally

[50:45] um

[50:46] there's a couple options. We can leave

[50:48] it the way it is. Um

[50:52] knowing that the lane configuration is

[50:55] larger than what's needed. Um but there

[50:59] is that legal risk involved with that.

[51:03] Um,

[51:04] we can make a few changes to this. We

[51:08] talked about a few today in our meeting.

[51:11] Um,

[51:14] we can change some of these uh colors so

[51:17] that they're more in line with the lane

[51:19] configurations that are in the model

[51:21] that we got. Um,

[51:27] I guess those are the only two options

[51:28] there. basically switch the lane

[51:30] configuration to match up with the model

[51:32] itself with a skinnier rideway or leave

[51:36] it get a bigger ride ofway and only

[51:38] build the lane configuration that you

[51:41] need.

[51:43] That's always my recommendation is to

[51:45] get more of the rightway width. Now,

[51:48] even if you don't build out the full uh

[51:52] asphalt cross-section [clears throat]

[51:54] because in in 50 years or 100 years when

[51:57] you need the rightway, it's there and

[51:59] available. Not dissimilar to how our our

[52:02] current main street is right now. We

[52:04] have plenty of width right now to go out

[52:06] to five lanes if we needed to and if

[52:08] that day ever came. Um that's because

[52:11] our our forefathers had the the

[52:13] foresight to look at that and say this

[52:15] is going to be the main street. Let's

[52:17] make sure it's wide enough. So uh it can

[52:21] accommodate future growth. That's really

[52:23] what we're being tasked with

[52:25] anticipating right now.

[52:31] » Who maintains that no man's land in the

[52:34] meantime? I guess

[52:36] >> the city. Yeah, it doesn't probably get

[52:39] anything [clears throat] doesn't look

[52:41] pretty very good. I can see the

[52:44] future

[52:47] bearing, but also

[52:49] non-maintenance of all that rail that we

[52:51] ever use.

[52:53] >> And then your setbacks are off that

[52:55] wider rideway as well. So your houses

[52:58] are set back

[53:01] 30 ft from that 108t rideway line.

[53:05] Well, you're you're North Depot Road and

[53:08] you come on that southwest quadrant. How

[53:10] what is your elevation gain to get up on

[53:11] that?

[53:13] It's

[53:13] >> And is there any talk for the council to

[53:15] annex that part of the

[53:18] >> county in

[53:21] our plan just approved it few weeks ago.

[53:26] So, we can't just go and annex land into

[53:30] requested has to be requested. So,

[53:32] >> well, just like with any any

[53:34] infrastructure project, if there are uh

[53:37] concerns like that, they'll have to be

[53:39] worked around and dealt with. These lines aren't necessarily intended

[53:42] to be survey level accurate, per se.

[53:45] They're intended to be guidelines as

[53:47] development happens in the area. Um,

[53:50] this is the ask is that we anticipate

[53:54] >> the need for these kinds of circulatory

[53:57] roadways.

[53:58] And if again, if we don't ask for it

[54:01] now, we can't ask for it later.

[54:03] >> Keep it wide.

[54:04] >> Yeah, I think we keep it wide. I mean,

[54:06] Sean Johnson's deal is going to be the

[54:08] same size as Grantsville. We only have

[54:10] one road pretty much that width, Main

[54:12] Street, maybe Dery in some spots or

[54:14] Clark, but I mean, we've seen how busy

[54:17] that is already. So, I think we keep it

[54:20] wide, especially on that West bench.

[54:22] >> Absolutely. give them to north south,

[54:26] you know, wide roads to use.

[54:29] >> Sounds great.

[54:31] >> Have you ever had a city say wish we had

[54:32] smaller roads?

[54:34] >> I doubt [laughter]

[54:36] >> the road crew does.

[54:38] >> Yeah.

[54:40] I'd like you to go, if you would please,

[54:42] to the 33rd Parkway, which I don't know

[54:44] if you're familiar with.

[54:45] >> Yes, that is my next area that I wanted

[54:48] to look at.

[54:49] >> Thank you. [clears throat] Um, this is

[54:51] one that we've had countless discussions

[54:56] on between Shelby, myself, and other

[55:01] staff. Um,

[55:03] so this alignment from Mid Valley

[55:06] Highway to about

[55:10] >> the triangle

[55:11] >> probably

[55:13] >> honestly probably to here because we're

[55:15] vested, right?

[55:17] >> Yeah. So I mean in the for Lake View

[55:19] business Business Park in the master

[55:20] development agreement, it's showing and

[55:22] outlines that Mid Valley Highway or 33rd

[55:26] Parkway will run to the north of them.

[55:29] But the county right now um has right

[55:32] away obtained where that triangle

[55:35] spot is

[55:38] to the east

[55:39] >> where it says Lake View.

[55:41] >> Yeah.

[55:43] No,

[55:43] >> this one

[55:45] >> up a little bit.

[55:47] >> The triangle right here.

[55:49] >> That's the rail track.

[55:50] >> They have it up.

[55:51] >> This is where they have the right

[55:53] >> that's where their rightway that they've

[55:55] purchased ends. Correct. Okay.

[55:58] >> And then Huntsman's, that's this piece.

[56:01] Um

[56:02] >> Romney's

[56:03] >> Rom Romney's sorry. Romney's group from

[56:07] here to here is I don't know where

[56:10] property lands are exactly. All right.

[56:12] >> Um

[56:13] >> to the west.

[56:14] >> Is it somewhere in there?

[56:17] >> There. Yeah.

[56:19] >> Um so there their group basically

[56:23] um talking to Shelby. It is vested with

[56:27] the road being on the north side. Mhm.

[56:30] >> There is

[56:32] I would like to see this connecting to

[56:36] only because can actually go all

[56:40] the way through.

[56:41] Um whereas uh Dery Street

[56:46] >> gets cut off.

[56:48] But

[56:51] there are well the other issue with Dery

[56:55] Street is aligning these two

[56:57] intersections is going to prove

[56:59] difficult as far as a design goes.

[57:02] >> We had it we had it lined up before and

[57:04] we changed it.

[57:07] >> So

[57:08] >> Oh, you had it you had

[57:09] >> Yeah, we had it like that and Udoth

[57:11] wanted a perpendicular

[57:13] >> intersection right there. So that's why

[57:15] it goes up. That's

[57:16] >> why it got changed. Yep.

[57:20] >> Um, so to line those two up, it's

[57:23] possible, but there's some

[57:25] >> property is still there. It's just it's

[57:27] just sitting there.

[57:28] >> Yeah.

[57:28] >> To make those line up as you're

[57:30] discussing,

[57:31] >> but to make them a 90 degree

[57:33] intersection,

[57:34] >> that's going to be impossible.

[57:35] >> That's going to be hard.

[57:36] >> Yeah.

[57:37] >> Which is what you do will most likely

[57:39] require.

[57:42] Something we discussed in the meeting

[57:44] today was potentially coming

[57:48] once you get to this point coming down

[57:51] crossing over following this dirt road

[57:54] and possibly connecting in here with

[57:57] 33rd.

[57:59] Um or we can keep it on dury and

[58:04] somehow figure out that intersection.

[58:06] Um,

[58:09] those are really the two options that I

[58:11] wanted to talk about.

[58:12] >> I I was I guess I'm confused. I thought

[58:15] that

[58:16] I understood that the Romney wouldn't

[58:18] allow 33rd Parkway to go through the

[58:21] Lake View Business Park, but we have the

[58:23] ability to take it. It's on the north

[58:26] you said of

[58:28] >> so in the master development agreement

[58:30] for Lake View business park their

[58:33] exhibits should 33rd Parkway and they

[58:36] reference that they get eight

[58:38] connections to 33rd Parkway to the north

[58:40] of their development.

[58:44] » So it needs to be reviewed and

[58:46] determined does 33rd Parkway go through?

[58:49] Is that what we want 33rd Parkway or do

[58:52] we want it to drop down to Green? We

[58:54] want it to connect into

[58:57] uh what is that? Keeps

[58:58] >> one of the biggest problems that you

[59:00] have though is crossing the tracks there

[59:02] and the tracks why right there at that

[59:05] triangle and it circles there are at

[59:08] least according to their plan. And so

[59:10] you're'll be crossing the tracks like

[59:11] three times right there

[59:14] or at least twice

[59:15] >> within a small window.

[59:18] >> They don't want to miss that.

[59:20] >> Are they going to bring it down this

[59:21] way? It's going to kind of circle.

[59:24] >> Yeah.

[59:25] >> So, we're going to cross it here. And

[59:26] then again,

[59:27] >> I think you'll have to show him on the

[59:28] map because it kind of

[59:31] >> Shelby can get you their proposed plans

[59:33] on where they're putting their rail.

[59:35] [clears throat]

[59:39] » This is a critical one.

[59:41] >> It is. It is critical

[59:43] >> because [snorts] part of this level of

[59:45] service map that we show here

[59:57] This is your current level of service

[59:59] map.

[1:00:01] You can already see Highway 112's

[1:00:04] failing. Um, and east side of Main

[1:00:07] Street's already failing. Currently,

[1:00:11] we don't add in that east west

[1:00:14] connection. That's only going to get

[1:00:16] worse.

[1:00:27] So you can see we have it. We have that

[1:00:30] 33rd Parkway coming in and that's what

[1:00:33] helps that highway one the highway 138.

[1:00:38] It helps decrease the traffic on that.

[1:00:43] But you're only crossing the rail twice.

[1:00:47] So where the little triangle rail area

[1:00:51] is, you're only crossing [clears throat]

[1:00:52] that portion of the rail. And then as

[1:00:54] long as you stay to the north of it, you

[1:00:56] don't cross it again.

[1:01:01] » So you're talking.

[1:01:02] >> So keep

[1:01:12] Yeah. So you would cross twice here and

[1:01:15] you can either come down and have it

[1:01:18] connect into here or we continue it and

[1:01:20] figure out going down there. But the

[1:01:24] rail splits here. So one two cross.

[1:01:26] >> So cross cross

[1:01:29] >> there

[1:01:32] at grade for now and then eventually

[1:01:34] it's going to be a bridge. You can

[1:01:36] either come down here and connect

[1:01:38] through or stay there.

[1:01:45] » From your from your experience, you

[1:01:47] talked about whether to go to Niger

[1:01:49] Street and I

[1:01:51] >> you got a little push for right for

[1:01:53] right angle intersections. Yeah.

[1:01:54] >> The cost to to re-engineer what we do

[1:01:56] there or taking property sounds like

[1:01:58] it'd be more complicated than trying to

[1:01:59] connect to N green. Is that what I'm

[1:02:01] about to say or

[1:02:02] >> I mean you can do it with the right

[1:02:04] amount of money, right? Like

[1:02:06] >> costwise it'd be more cost effective to

[1:02:08] tie connect this to my network.

[1:02:10] >> Not necessarily cost effective. I'm more

[1:02:12] looking at it from a a grid network. So

[1:02:15] like

[1:02:17] instead if you connect in here, you're

[1:02:20] [clears throat] sending everybody down

[1:02:21] to this point and it's stopping.

[1:02:25] Whereas if you send [clears throat]

[1:02:27] people to here, they can go all the way

[1:02:31] around the city and literally loop the

[1:02:35] whole city itself on that one road.

[1:02:40] >> If it was up to you, what would you

[1:02:41] pick? I'm curious. From a consultant

[1:02:42] perspective,

[1:02:43] >> I mean, from a from a traffic modeling

[1:02:45] perspective, the the Nag Green makes

[1:02:49] more sense, but

[1:02:52] there's politics involved as well.

[1:02:54] [laughter]

[1:02:55] So yes, Jason, you're correct.

[1:02:57] >> The other thing about Derky Street is

[1:03:00] that we have a bunch of existing

[1:03:02] residents, right? Where you get to night

[1:03:03] green, there are some but a lot less and

[1:03:06] it's more open country. So you can yeah

[1:03:09] do better planning and less impact to

[1:03:12] the street with res.

[1:03:19] You do have the school on N Green um

[1:03:22] which you can narrow down to a

[1:03:26] two-lane road through that piece and

[1:03:28] then widen back out to a to a threelane

[1:03:32] piece. Um

[1:03:35] but that you have a lot more flexibility

[1:03:38] with N [clears throat] green than you do

[1:03:40] on Dery itself.

[1:03:42] >> Well, Dury is already one of the

[1:03:43] heaviest traffic roads right there.

[1:03:46] >> Yeah. Yep.

[1:03:49] >> [clears throat]

[1:03:53] » So I can draw it coming down

[1:03:56] crossing over here.

[1:03:59] Or

[1:04:01] I mean if it's an option still it sounds

[1:04:03] like it's not an option to go through

[1:04:05] their property though, right?

[1:04:10] » The politics we want to play. Okay.

[1:04:13] >> I guess I'll leave the politics uh up to

[1:04:16] the politicians.

[1:04:18] Um, if you want to try and push it

[1:04:20] through their property, we can draw it

[1:04:22] like that. Or we can try

[1:04:25] [clears throat] drawing it through on

[1:04:27] the west side of their property coming

[1:04:29] down.

[1:04:30] >> What about right there? That triangle go

[1:04:32] back up coming off right there and just

[1:04:35] coming straight. You're you're

[1:04:36] perpendicular to right there.

[1:04:38] >> Right there. And then coming across.

[1:04:40] Yeah.

[1:04:44] » Seems [clears throat] like only real

[1:04:45] option.

[1:04:47] Or we can leave it how it show.

[1:04:56] » Either way, McLean, it sounds like you

[1:04:58] got to do something with 112 and Dury

[1:05:00] connection regardless of where you make

[1:05:02] the 33rd connection on 112.

[1:05:06] >> Yeah.

[1:05:07] That close to Derby. It's going to just

[1:05:09] be a bottleneck.

[1:05:11] >> Can't believe there's not been more

[1:05:12] accidents right there on ve.

[1:05:15] Yeah.

[1:05:18] >> Knock on wood. [laughter]

[1:05:21] >> There was a death there while ago.

[1:05:34] It's a little hot spot, but not too

[1:05:36] [clears throat] not too bad. Any

[1:05:40] thoughts?

[1:05:46] » I'd like the night green.

[1:05:47] >> Bring it down.

[1:05:50] >> I agree.

[1:05:52] >> Okay.

[1:05:52] >> You were talking about the width of the

[1:05:54] road in front of the school affecting it

[1:05:57] is 90 ft currently. So,

[1:06:00] >> okay.

[1:06:02] >> It's [clears throat] already what we

[1:06:03] need it to be.

[1:06:04] >> Okay.

[1:06:05] >> So, that's that's done. But I also agree

[1:06:08] that dealing with that intersection of

[1:06:10] Dery Street crossing

[1:06:13] 112 is something that has to be

[1:06:18] >> probably going to happen.

[1:06:19] >> Yes.

[1:06:23] » On the east side or the west side

[1:06:26] >> of 112.

[1:06:27] >> Yeah.

[1:06:28] >> I I think that it just is going to need

[1:06:30] to cross in some

[1:06:33] whether it connects to the 33rd Parkway.

[1:06:36] I don't know. But I just think you're

[1:06:37] going to get a bottleneck of traffic of

[1:06:38] people trying to get to the 33rd Parkway

[1:06:41] from Dery Street.

[1:06:43] >> Right.

[1:06:45] >> Yeah. If a connection doesn't happen

[1:06:48] there,

[1:06:50] they would have to come up

[1:06:52] >> and then turn and come out,

[1:06:54] >> which would which isn't a crisis. I just

[1:06:57] know how

[1:06:58] our nature is to find the path of least

[1:07:01] resistance and and and the shortest path

[1:07:04] as the crow flies. And so we're going to

[1:07:07] I just can imagine that could be

[1:07:10] >> What do you proposing a tunnel?

[1:07:12] >> Yes, I'd like a tunnel. A subway a

[1:07:14] subway starting [laughter]

[1:07:17] >> an underpass.

[1:07:18] >> Could they do a right in right out on

[1:07:20] that coming in that side? So you would

[1:07:21] it would wouldn't be a full

[1:07:22] intersection, but it would allow people

[1:07:24] to access 112 right there without having

[1:07:27] to totally make it congested because

[1:07:28] you're not going to be able to have two

[1:07:29] intersections that are offset. You don't

[1:07:31] want to allow that.

[1:07:33] >> No,

[1:07:34] >> I'm surprised they've let it fly right

[1:07:37] out.

[1:07:38] >> That's an option as well. I mean, I

[1:07:40] >> you could do a large roundabout, too.

[1:07:42] >> I like that.

[1:07:43] >> That name [laughter] was an offset

[1:07:46] geometry.

[1:07:46] >> I knew that was coming. see a hot

[1:07:49] roundabout Europe [laughter]

[1:07:53] five roundabouts in the city

[1:07:55] proposing that [laughter]

[1:08:00] [clears throat]

[1:08:01] >> um what I'll do is I'll uh clean this

[1:08:04] up. I'll bring this down probably cross

[1:08:07] it um and then still show a connection

[1:08:12] connecting in. You have to cross it at

[1:08:14] the

[1:08:15] >> at the at this light at the signal sites

[1:08:18] that have already been established by UD

[1:08:20] do. Is that what you're trying to get

[1:08:21] to? Okay.

[1:08:22] >> You can't do it at any other spot now

[1:08:24] unless we amend our agreement with you

[1:08:25] do

[1:08:26] >> on what on the quarter agreement.

[1:08:30] >> Okay.

[1:08:30] >> Is the purple approved? What's approved

[1:08:33] with you do right now? The intersection

[1:08:36] >> I think it is the personal channel that

[1:08:39] there by his mouse is approved.

[1:08:42] >> Yeah.

[1:08:44] two intersections that close.

[1:08:46] >> They're like

[1:08:49] half a mile apart, I think, is

[1:08:52] >> their rule.

[1:09:00] » Sorry, I'm just making a note really

[1:09:01] quick.

[1:09:05] Okay.

[1:09:08] Um, let's see.

[1:09:18] Shelby, was there one more? I think that

[1:09:20] was it.

[1:09:22] Was there one more?

[1:09:24] >> I think it's maybe answered, but just to

[1:09:26] the northwest where the two um arterial

[1:09:30] roads are fairly close together near the

[1:09:33] flux area.

[1:09:34] >> Oh, yes.

[1:09:34] >> Did you already cover that? Yeah, they

[1:09:36] said keep the width and they'll build

[1:09:40] road within that width

[1:09:44] is what I was told.

[1:09:45] >> Yes.

[1:09:46] >> Okay.

[1:09:47] >> I think that makes good sense on the

[1:09:49] west bench. I down in that particular

[1:09:51] north area. I I mean those are really

[1:09:54] close together as they bottleneck down

[1:09:57] there. So I I'm not sure about

[1:10:02] >> that particular spot. We could change

[1:10:05] like

[1:10:05] >> there.

[1:10:06] >> No, not there. I'm talking on the north

[1:10:09] >> east of 138.

[1:10:12] >> So through here

[1:10:12] >> right here. Yeah.

[1:10:14] >> But I mean, how far away are we talking?

[1:10:16] >> I don't know.

[1:10:16] >> A mile, half mile thing.

[1:10:18] >> I don't think it's that.

[1:10:20] >> No.

[1:10:21] >> What if you What if you went to the

[1:10:23] south of those properties instead of

[1:10:24] going up and around them, you just

[1:10:26] stayed to the south of them? So it's a

[1:10:28] straight line. Can we do that or are

[1:10:31] these

[1:10:32] >> Where are you talking? So the the not

[1:10:34] the top green line, the one in So you're

[1:10:36] right. You see those developments how it

[1:10:38] juts up

[1:10:38] >> to the north of those and then it swings

[1:10:41] back down south.

[1:10:42] >> Yep.

[1:10:43] >> Yeah.

[1:10:43] >> We just go to the south of those

[1:10:45] properties and so it's a straight line

[1:10:47] all the way across. Then those two roads

[1:10:49] aren't so close.

[1:10:51] Yeah.

[1:10:57] » Yeah. There's a lot of

[1:10:59] >> there's a lot of

[1:11:00] >> property in there with structures on it.

[1:11:03] >> We tried to avoid those, but the best we

[1:11:06] could

[1:11:09] >> is the north green line the edge of that

[1:11:11] excession.

[1:11:13] >> No. Um,

[1:11:15] >> is that what pushes it south? because

[1:11:18] that's the north boundary there.

[1:11:20] >> No, your annexation limits are pretty

[1:11:22] wide.

[1:11:24] Um,

[1:11:27] the current city limit.

[1:11:29] >> Why does it come down right right there?

[1:11:32] That one on the north. Why doesn't it

[1:11:34] just straight into 130?

[1:11:36] >> Why doesn't it just go through here?

[1:11:38] >> No, the upper one.

[1:11:39] >> This one?

[1:11:40] >> Yeah. Why is that down?

[1:11:44] » Why does it come up to here? We're just

[1:11:46] trying to follow this property line.

[1:11:48] >> But I'm saying farther west. Why does it

[1:11:50] just go straight right?

[1:11:53] Why does it come down?

[1:11:56] >> There's a mine. If you keep going to the

[1:11:58] um west.

[1:12:01] >> Oh, you're saying why doesn't it just

[1:12:03] come like this?

[1:12:04] >> Yeah. All the way.

[1:12:06] >> We tried to line it up with this little

[1:12:08] mountain road.

[1:12:09] >> I

[1:12:15] » [clears throat]

[1:12:19] » We can look at this area too and see if

[1:12:21] we can brainstorm how to get those

[1:12:23] separated a little bit more as well.

[1:12:29] » If that more north line stayed straight

[1:12:31] like you were saying, I think you'd have

[1:12:32] more of a distance there. that road to

[1:12:34] the west. You said you tried to line up

[1:12:36] to it. If that's not that might be

[1:12:38] easier to move around than trying to get

[1:12:40] else above.

[1:12:41] >> I just go straight on that north

[1:12:43] >> green line

[1:12:46] >> back to the east.

[1:12:47] >> Just don't jog it down. Just go

[1:12:49] straight.

[1:12:49] >> Yeah.

[1:12:50] >> Okay.

[1:12:51] >> Well, except as far as the desireette

[1:12:54] development, isn't that kind of a major

[1:12:56] cross point that it makes sense to have

[1:12:59] that in there? No.

[1:13:00] >> Little mountain. I think it's the lower

[1:13:02] one.

[1:13:03] This one.

[1:13:04] >> That one. Okay, you're right. Because

[1:13:06] there's Yes. Sorry. You're right.

[1:13:10] >> I'll push this one up so it's a little

[1:13:13] further away as well.

[1:13:14] >> Go straight.

[1:13:15] >> Yeah. Through here.

[1:13:18] Okay.

[1:13:21] Any other questions on the

[1:13:23] classification network?

[1:13:32] now that I put you all all to sleep. Um

[1:13:36] so just for your information really

[1:13:38] there's a 50page report that really will

[1:13:40] put you to sleep that you can read. It

[1:13:42] will be online um that you can read. Um

[1:13:46] the PDF is not currently on there. We

[1:13:48] will be putting it on um today. Well,

[1:13:51] not today, tomorrow or Thursday.

[1:13:54] Um

[1:13:58] so there's that report.

[1:14:00] There is a document section in here that

[1:14:02] links you to all the municipal code

[1:14:05] pages within the city. So for planning

[1:14:07] and zoning, this is nice. They can pull

[1:14:09] this transportation plan up when they

[1:14:11] have projects coming and they can pull

[1:14:14] the code up from this website as well.

[1:14:17] We also have a 300page appendix with all

[1:14:20] the maps, hard copy maps, because the

[1:14:22] website technically isn't what you adopt, [clears throat] but it's just a

[1:14:26] tool for you to use in house. um you're

[1:14:30] actually adopting the report with the

[1:14:32] appendix as well.

[1:14:36] [clears throat] Then we have a

[1:14:37] definition sheet.

[1:14:40] Um this is mostly for the public just

[1:14:43] going through some of the jargon that we

[1:14:45] use in the transportation plan. You can

[1:14:48] read through um each one of these

[1:14:51] definitions and see what we're talking

[1:14:54] about.

[1:15:01] Shelby, any other items you can think of

[1:15:04] or anybody else that wants to bring up

[1:15:07] anything that's a plan itself? We've

[1:15:10] been here for a while. I know. Any other

[1:15:13] thoughts?

[1:15:14] >> Thank you.

[1:15:16] >> Any questions from council or the

[1:15:18] planning commission?

[1:15:21] » No.

[1:15:23] Melissa, we know this is a lot to digest

[1:15:25] and so that's why we wanted to give you

[1:15:26] a couple weeks to look through it before

[1:15:28] we had a a public meeting. Um be

[1:15:31] available to answer any questions that

[1:15:34] may come up and then um we'll uh we'll

[1:15:37] get this in front of you guys for

[1:15:39] adoption in the next little bit.

[1:15:42] So the plan is two weeks from now we'll

[1:15:46] do the public openhouse. We'll leave it

[1:15:48] open for two weeks after that for public

[1:15:50] comment. We'll get you all of the

[1:15:52] comments to look at if we get any. Um,

[1:15:56] and then we'll go through those

[1:15:58] comments, address them. Then it goes to

[1:16:01] public hearing at the planning

[1:16:02] commission level and then it will go

[1:16:05] they'll recommend to the council for

[1:16:07] adoption and then the the council will

[1:16:11] then adopt after that.

[1:16:14] How long was the last public?

[1:16:17] >> Uh,

[1:16:19] unless your code requires that.

[1:16:21] [clears throat]

[1:16:22] >> Typically, no. But

[1:16:24] >> if your code does require it, then yes,

[1:16:26] you will.

[1:16:27] >> Okay.

[1:16:27] >> Um,

[1:16:29] >> was the last plan for traffic last

[1:16:33] >> 2021

[1:16:35] was the last plan?

[1:16:36] >> 2022.

[1:16:37] tried amending it again in 2023

[1:16:42] but that failed.

[1:16:45] So the kind of the draft that we talked

[1:16:48] about last year was this the draft that

[1:16:51] was preliminary or

[1:16:53] >> it was um done by Horox I believe um and

[1:16:57] it was just just in

[1:17:01] » Do you mine do you do any like overlay

[1:17:05] of uh sensitive lands on the proposed

[1:17:10] >> on the proposed? Yeah, like wetlands and

[1:17:13] stuff

[1:17:14] >> typically in this level of study. No.

[1:17:17] >> Okay.

[1:17:17] >> Um when we're looking at like a specific

[1:17:19] corridor we do, but we're looking super

[1:17:23] high level. We're strictly looking at

[1:17:26] traffic numbers, how to fix the issues

[1:17:29] with traffic, and then if you want to

[1:17:32] look at certain corridors, then we can

[1:17:34] look at that. But in this study, no to

[1:17:37] that one.

[1:17:38] >> Thank you.

[1:17:39] I did forget one item. Um,

[1:17:43] so we did cost estimates, inflated them

[1:17:46] up to the year that they're anticipated

[1:17:49] to go in.

[1:17:50] >> This is a lot of money. Um, if you were

[1:17:53] to put every road within the city at

[1:17:56] full buildout, including developers, UD

[1:17:59] do county, and city, you're 835 million.

[1:18:03] >> Is that all?

[1:18:04] >> That's it. Trump change. Is that include

[1:18:07] like traffic lights?

[1:18:10] >> This is just roads.

[1:18:11] >> Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't think

[1:18:13] [laughter] so.

[1:18:15] >> That would double that, right?

[1:18:18] >> Not quite, but

[1:18:20] >> Okay.

[1:18:21] >> Um, so the city right now is only we

[1:18:25] only have you guys putting in

[1:18:28] responsible for half of depot.

[1:18:31] um the widening projects within the city

[1:18:34] that need to happen and then

[1:18:38] um I think that's it honestly the

[1:18:41] widenings and deeper road itself

[1:18:44] um the county is responsible for some

[1:18:48] you're teaming with the county on some

[1:18:50] of these so the county is responsible

[1:18:53] for about 145,000 or 145 million UDOT's

[1:18:58] responsible for about 125 5 million and

[1:19:01] then developers take [clears throat] the

[1:19:03] brunt of it at about 450 million.

[1:19:13] This also takes into account, I will

[1:19:15] say, the crosssections of the wider ride

[1:19:18] ofway being five lanes instead of three.

[1:19:21] So if you want us to take that down to

[1:19:25] three lanes, we can do that. So that'll

[1:19:26] decrease that cost a little bit.

[1:19:33] No, because it'll just make everything

[1:19:35] else red.

[1:19:35] >> Yeah.

[1:19:36] More red. [laughter]

[1:19:38] >> So, the answer that question is no.

[1:19:40] >> Okay.

[1:19:40] >> I mean, we

[1:19:41] >> Sorry, but

[1:19:42] >> yeah, leave it there and we'll have to

[1:19:44] build as we can. That's all there is to

[1:19:47] it.

[1:19:50] >> Okay. Okay. That's all I have for you

[1:19:53] tonight.

[1:19:53] >> Thank you.

[1:20:00] » [clears throat]

[1:20:01] >> Did I close out?

[1:20:03] >> Any other comments from the council or

[1:20:04] commission?

[1:20:06] >> Okay, we'll move on to agenda item

[1:20:09] number two, a discussion of proposed

[1:20:10] amendments to the parks and

[1:20:12] transportation capital facilities plans,

[1:20:15] impact fee facilities plans, and impact

[1:20:17] fee analysis for Grantsville City.

[1:20:21] >> You want me to plug in or are you able

[1:20:23] to share that PDF?

[1:20:24] >> Um, I can share the PDF.

[1:20:37] Yeah, that'll work. You want me to run

[1:20:39] with

[1:20:40] >> Sure.

[1:20:40] >> Okay.

[1:20:45] » So, I'm Robert Rousell with Enzyme

[1:20:46] Engineering.

[1:20:48] Annually, we uh amend the capital

[1:20:51] facility plan, impact facility plans,

[1:20:53] and impact Ve analysis. I'm sorry, that

[1:20:56] was me.

[1:20:56] >> Oh,

[1:20:57] >> sorry. I'm just trying to stretch it out

[1:20:59] on the screen, but

[1:21:00] >> Okay.

[1:21:00] >> Sorry.

[1:21:02] >> And uh an item of correction is we

[1:21:05] basically amended everything except for

[1:21:07] the transportation. So, we include

[1:21:08] parks, you know, drinking water, waste

[1:21:10] water, uh water ice acquisition, storm

[1:21:13] drainage.

[1:21:17] » I do not know why it's

[1:21:26] So maybe

[1:21:28] can we budget me? Thank you.

[1:21:31] [laughter]

[1:21:33] » Okay. So you take a five minute break.

[1:21:35] >> Yeah. I think

[1:21:36] >> Yeah, we'll take a five minute break.

[1:21:38] >> Technology break.

[1:21:39] >> A tech break.

[1:21:43] » Yeah.

[1:21:46] Can't handle it.

[1:21:51] And then do I need to log into

[1:21:56] » I think

[1:22:02] that or is it a special

[1:22:10] » we use a separate phone.

[1:22:12] >> So yeah, how do I do that?

[1:22:13] >> Start deleting

[1:22:14] >> your own stuff. So he's a separate not

[1:22:22] » should be good.

[1:22:23] >> Yeah.

[1:22:24] >> Well,

[1:22:24] >> we provided these days

[1:22:30] to go to school bus.

[1:22:31] >> Yeah.

[1:22:41] So like if

[1:22:43] you drive it and then it'll update

[1:22:46] automatically.

[1:23:01] I know it isn't

[1:23:02] >> the hard part.

[1:23:05] Yeah, the imagery's

[1:23:09] » big.

[1:23:12] [clears throat]

[1:23:17] It's hard to see.

[1:23:19] >> So, it'll catch it as patchy, but it

[1:23:22] won't catch it as

[1:23:23] >> red.

[1:23:32] showing up.

[1:27:06] Good thing you get paid by the huh

[1:27:11] » life cycle.

[1:27:14] » That's good because I've always

[1:27:24] » Are you ready, Robert?

[1:27:27] truck by the hour.

[1:27:30] >> He doesn't care.

[1:27:30] >> No, we are we are hourly.

[1:27:34] >> In that case, we'll get started.

[1:27:37] [laughter]

[1:27:37] >> So, our thought process, right?

[1:27:41] >> We're

[1:27:43] going to to go back into um our session

[1:27:46] of this meeting and continue our

[1:27:48] discussion with item number two. It

[1:27:50] appears the

[1:27:52] >> that we're ready.

[1:27:54] >> Order in the court.

[1:27:56] All right. Go go go ahead, Robert.

[1:27:58] >> Okay. Yeah. So, Robert Rousell with Enzy

[1:28:00] Engineering.

[1:28:02] >> Yeah. We're we're basically looking at

[1:28:03] amendments to everything except for

[1:28:05] transportation. Once the transportation

[1:28:07] master plan is approved, then we'll update and uh bring that for

[1:28:12] planning commission, city council.

[1:28:18] So, we do uh amend these annually. We

[1:28:21] did amend parks and transportation uh in

[1:28:25] January. It's when it was approved by

[1:28:27] city council. There was a few changes

[1:28:30] there just to bring the transportation

[1:28:32] impact fee down. And then parks we

[1:28:35] updated with like scenic slopes and a

[1:28:37] few other projects.

[1:28:40] So yeah, impact fees uh I won't read

[1:28:42] everything here, but help fund expansion

[1:28:44] of uh you know to accommodate future

[1:28:47] growth. Uh we met with city staff

[1:28:49] multiple times in December and then once

[1:28:51] we had a draft, you know, we we met a

[1:28:54] couple weeks ago. It takes 90 days

[1:28:57] before impact fees are approved by city

[1:28:58] council before they go into effect. And

[1:29:01] uh any developer funded projects, which

[1:29:04] you'll see some of those throughout

[1:29:05] here, are not impact eligible. We did

[1:29:09] utilize the demographics

[1:29:11] that we had updated for the 2026 sewer

[1:29:14] rates which was kind of a little bit

[1:29:15] lower of a projection uh for the next 10

[1:29:18] years. [clears throat] Uh I mentioned

[1:29:21] there that you know typically the growth

[1:29:23] rate for Grantsville over the last 26

[1:29:24] years has been four and a half to 5%.

[1:29:27] There was some spikes during the co

[1:29:28] years.

[1:29:30] What we do is we determine the capital

[1:29:31] improvement projects using the

[1:29:33] demographics and level of service uh for

[1:29:35] the various you know for water

[1:29:37] wastewater the other and parks. Uh and

[1:29:41] then we determine any non- capital

[1:29:43] improvement project costs such as

[1:29:46] interest expense for bonds uh existing

[1:29:49] capital assets professional expenses and

[1:29:51] then future debt service.

[1:29:56] As I mentioned, here's kind of the the

[1:29:58] growth rate uh for the demographics uh

[1:30:01] section that we utilized. Starting off

[1:30:03] with like 3 and 12% for a couple years

[1:30:06] and then a 4% growth rate through the

[1:30:08] 10-year planning period.

[1:30:15] And then we look at different sub areas

[1:30:17] and and what this helps us with is

[1:30:20] projecting where growth's going to occur

[1:30:21] and where improvements are going to need

[1:30:23] to be made.

[1:30:27] This just summarizes the, you know, the

[1:30:29] residential growth rate, the commercial

[1:30:30] growth rate. That was another thing we

[1:30:32] did modify is we previously had used a

[1:30:35] growth rate, the same growth rate for

[1:30:37] residential as commercial, but looking

[1:30:39] back at previous building permits over

[1:30:41] the last, I believe it was five or six

[1:30:43] years. What we found was, you know, the

[1:30:45] commercial growth rate was hovering a

[1:30:47] little bit less or or at 1%. So, we've

[1:30:50] made that update move forward.

[1:30:55] We haven't changed for drinking water.

[1:30:57] We haven't changed the level of service.

[1:30:58] And this is based on for for indoor it's

[1:31:00] based on metered usage. We use state uh

[1:31:04] values for outdoor just because this

[1:31:08] change was made gosh in 2022 when we

[1:31:13] were having drought years and towards

[1:31:15] the end of the summer we were seeing

[1:31:17] more usage of city water for irrigation

[1:31:20] instead of grants irrigation company

[1:31:21] water.

[1:31:25] drinking water projects. We've got

[1:31:28] they're all kind of listed there. A lot

[1:31:30] of those you can see that are zero

[1:31:32] impact v eligible costs. Those are

[1:31:33] developer projects.

[1:31:36] The Bates well is currently being

[1:31:39] drilled. Northstar tank, we're just

[1:31:41] waiting for the Green water line to

[1:31:43] be finished so we can fill that. Uh so

[1:31:46] those u are projects that are currently

[1:31:50] being built. Northstar tank number one

[1:31:52] was needed previously for you know

[1:31:55] growth and so it was previously impact v

[1:31:57] eligible and in older plans but now you

[1:32:00] know there's not enough capacity so it's

[1:32:02] no longer impact v eligible

[1:32:06] » how many projects is that

[1:32:09] >> well and there's even more these are

[1:32:10] just ones we looked at is impact be

[1:32:12] eligible and yeah if you look in the

[1:32:14] like the main study you'll see them

[1:32:15] there I mean there's probably what 15

[1:32:19] there we can count up. But

[1:32:21] >> yeah, this shows kind even more. I guess

[1:32:26] there's 28 overall, but some of these

[1:32:30] I'll try to zoom in here.

[1:32:34] Some of these are replacements, you

[1:32:35] know, when you get in into the city, you

[1:32:37] know, just replacing a lot of the

[1:32:38] smaller lines with larger lines. The

[1:32:41] standards 8 inch diameter

[1:32:46] and this is just looking 10 years out.

[1:32:48] So they're, you know, like for

[1:32:50] Desireette for this development for

[1:32:52] example,

[1:32:54] we're really just showing kind of the

[1:32:55] backbone infrastructure. We anticipate

[1:32:57] the developer would be building kind of

[1:32:59] these interconnecting water lines and then we don't anticipate they'll

[1:33:05] build like their zone 7 tank in the next

[1:33:08] 10 years.

[1:33:17] So there's a little bit of change in

[1:33:18] impact fees. They they do go up a little

[1:33:21] bit. We base them based on meter size

[1:33:24] for residential and then non-residential

[1:33:26] we use per fixure unit. And that's

[1:33:29] assuming and it's in the report that uh you know the equivalent ERC is

[1:33:35] which is equivalent residential

[1:33:37] connection has 24 fixed units to

[1:33:41] basically get a cost for per fixture

[1:33:43] unit.

[1:33:47] And feel free to yeah just stop me if

[1:33:49] you have any questions as I go along.

[1:33:51] >> Public safety we left the level of

[1:33:53] service that change there. I this wasn't

[1:33:55] in the packet but it is in the report. I

[1:33:58] kind of just threw it in here just to

[1:34:00] explain that what we did look at for

[1:34:02] public safety was when we calculate the

[1:34:04] fee, we went to a a dwelling unit or a

[1:34:09] unit for non-residential

[1:34:11] and we based it based on CAD calls from

[1:34:15] the police department to get a little

[1:34:18] bit more accurate of what the impact is

[1:34:21] for, for example, single family,

[1:34:24] multifamily, and non-residential. That

[1:34:26] was using 2025 data from the police

[1:34:28] department and we'll we'll continue to

[1:34:31] update that yearly as we get more data

[1:34:33] and the police department's now tracking

[1:34:34] that. So what we found out was you know

[1:34:36] single family you know there's basically

[1:34:40] 575 calls per per unit. Multif family is

[1:34:44] almost two and on residential two and a

[1:34:46] half. And I'll show you kind of where

[1:34:48] that comes into play. Oh skipped a bit

[1:34:51] too far.

[1:35:07] As far as capital improvement projects,

[1:35:09] one change that we did did do uh just

[1:35:11] because we don't have the need quite yet

[1:35:14] is we've kept the we've kept the cost in

[1:35:18] there for future satellite fire station,

[1:35:20] but we did not put it in for impact fee

[1:35:24] eligibility.

[1:35:25] Uh because we since we're amending this

[1:35:28] annually, you know, once we see the

[1:35:30] need, then we'll we'll add it back in.

[1:35:31] So, we're collecting impact fees. So,

[1:35:33] the impact fee eligible costs are

[1:35:35] actually the animal control shelter and

[1:35:37] then the justice center police

[1:35:39] expansion.

[1:35:43] This this just shows where we

[1:35:44] anticipate,

[1:35:46] you know, improvements to be made. We've

[1:35:48] got a little note there that you know

[1:35:49] that actual project location will depend

[1:35:52] on you know how development occurs

[1:35:56] and here's the big change where I uh

[1:35:59] that I was mentioning. So it has gone

[1:36:01] down per dwelling unit for single family

[1:36:03] for example but has gone up for

[1:36:05] multi-unit and non-residential and

[1:36:07] that's just because there's more calls

[1:36:11] for those you know those land uses

[1:36:17] parks left level service same there four

[1:36:20] acres uh per thousand population

[1:36:25] we had to just to keep the impact fee

[1:36:28] balance positive there there just one

[1:36:30] year where it goes negative, which is

[1:36:31] fine. Um, but to to keep it positive, we

[1:36:35] did adjust some of these dates. Uh,

[1:36:38] let's see. So, like the just the phases

[1:36:41] on Scenic Slopes Park and then

[1:36:44] President's Park, we moved those out.

[1:36:46] Kind of looked at, okay, well, when

[1:36:48] realistically is President's Park going

[1:36:50] to be like 60% developed and and

[1:36:52] adjusted that date accordingly.

[1:36:57] And then here kind of shows all the

[1:36:59] projected parks in red.

[1:37:03] And so that caused it to go down

[1:37:05] slightly from what it was previously.

[1:37:12] Wastewater. We've kind of go over gone

[1:37:14] over this in nauseium with [laughter]

[1:37:17] with city council meetings, but uh the

[1:37:20] big one is the you know the treatment

[1:37:22] plant. So we've got that in here. And

[1:37:25] then there's the upsize of the West Bank

[1:37:27] interceptor, you know, segments one and

[1:37:29] two.

[1:37:31] And then the Northwest lift station,

[1:37:32] which will occur kind of in conjunction

[1:37:35] with the uh treatment plant, just

[1:37:38] upsizing the force main to get a little

[1:37:39] bit more life out of that lift station.

[1:37:42] And then uh public works improvements,

[1:37:44] we did push it out, you know, towards

[1:37:45] the end of the planning period.

[1:37:49] So yeah, you've probably seen this

[1:37:51] figure before, but it's just showing the

[1:37:54] kind of the West Bank interceptor, this

[1:37:55] line here, the uh Vegas Street

[1:37:58] Collector, and then the uh SR12

[1:38:02] interceptor, which would be developer

[1:38:04] constructed and Southwest sewer line,

[1:38:07] and then there's obviously the the

[1:38:09] upgrades to the treatment plant.

[1:38:14] So this one did go up slightly. We

[1:38:19] uh because of the upsize we added you

[1:38:21] know for the West Bank interceptor we

[1:38:22] did pull previously we had like the

[1:38:24] Willow Street collector after looking at

[1:38:27] a little bit more detail that project

[1:38:28] wasn't needed so it was moved kind of

[1:38:30] outside of the 10-year planning period

[1:38:32] so it did go up a little bit.

[1:38:37] water rights uh pretty much stayed the

[1:38:40] same except for

[1:38:44] the uh multi-unit residential. We really

[1:38:47] what drives this is the current if if

[1:38:50] you can find the water rights the

[1:38:51] current water rights cost. So we're

[1:38:54] using 29,000

[1:38:56] per irrigated acre.

[1:38:59] Uh, and the the difference here is just

[1:39:01] multi-unit residential just factoring in

[1:39:05] kind of the because we're using town

[1:39:08] homes as a as part of multi-unit

[1:39:10] residential and that means that waterite

[1:39:13] quantity is a little bit more. So that has gone up just slightly.

[1:39:20] storm drainage. We don't, you know, the

[1:39:22] city does not charge impact fees for

[1:39:25] storm drainage because a lot of the

[1:39:26] storm drainage right now is developer

[1:39:30] constructed.

[1:39:31] If there's a you you can charge impact

[1:39:34] fees in the future if there's any more

[1:39:36] regional projects that are planned on and the city's paying for

[1:39:39] those.

[1:39:42] So, here we've just listed the the storm

[1:39:45] drainage guidelines for the city right

[1:39:48] now.

[1:39:49] A lot of this is based on the West Bank

[1:39:52] interceptor or not the West Bank storm

[1:39:55] drain master plan.

[1:39:58] So the the city has constructed this

[1:40:00] Clark Street storm drain improvements

[1:40:02] project. There was a a grant for it.

[1:40:04] There's some future phases that are

[1:40:06] planned for this which would you know be

[1:40:09] a retention basin up higher in the the

[1:40:12] basin and then it's kind of turned

[1:40:15] sideways. But uh yeah, these are all the

[1:40:17] projects that were identified in the

[1:40:19] West Bank storm drainage master plan.

[1:40:26] And as I mentioned, storm drainage,

[1:40:28] they're not applicable just because

[1:40:30] they're really all the improvements thus

[1:40:33] far are constructed by developers

[1:40:35] directly.

[1:40:37] But if if that's something in the future

[1:40:39] the city wants to charge impact fees

[1:40:41] for, then it'd have to be looked at as

[1:40:44] more regional improvements.

[1:40:50] Impact fee comparisons. We look at we we

[1:40:53] kind of went over this last year, but we

[1:40:55] look at like a smaller 5,000 foot retail

[1:40:59] and then we compare them to

[1:41:02] not necessarily similar cities, but at

[1:41:04] least cities that have similar impact

[1:41:06] fees and kind of show you where the

[1:41:10] proposed and then existing, you know,

[1:41:12] Grantsville impact fees are. So, for

[1:41:15] example, you know, retail's gone up a

[1:41:17] little bit, and I think that was due

[1:41:19] more to the public safety, just the

[1:41:23] change in, you know, the costs per unit

[1:41:25] that drove that

[1:41:28] uh thousand square foot building that's

[1:41:31] gone down and that and that's kind of

[1:41:33] had the opposite. You know, we were

[1:41:34] basing

[1:41:36] public for public safety, we're basing

[1:41:38] it on square footage previously and now

[1:41:41] we're basing it on units. So if you had

[1:41:42] a thousand or a million square foot

[1:41:46] warehouse for example and it just was

[1:41:48] one unit with one water service one you

[1:41:51] know sewer service then it would just be

[1:41:52] charged that one impact fee per per

[1:41:56] unit.

[1:42:02] Town homes, it's gone down slightly.

[1:42:05] Single family slightly gone down. Here

[1:42:08] is where where the city's kind of hidden

[1:42:11] about right in the middle of the

[1:42:12] comparison cities.

[1:42:15] And then apartments also gone down as

[1:42:18] well,

[1:42:24] I guess. Yeah. Are there any questions?

[1:42:29] Was

[1:42:34] [cough and clears throat]

[1:42:35] there a slide and I missed it on? We

[1:42:39] talked about sewer

[1:42:41] bills.

[1:42:43] Water. I was worried about water bills.

[1:42:46] Water.

[1:42:48] I don't see it.

[1:42:49] >> Water.

[1:42:52] >> Yeah. So, there's water. This This is

[1:42:54] impact. So, this isn't the rates.

[1:42:57] There are rates in here.

[1:43:00] >> No, this is just this is impact. So, not

[1:43:02] the water rates.

[1:43:03] >> Okay.

[1:43:12] [clears throat]

[1:43:21] » Yes. Yeah. Any

[1:43:23] comments from

[1:43:25] >> I guess just my question would be is Is

[1:43:27] it a dance? We're dancing trying to

[1:43:29] compete with other cities to keep impact

[1:43:31] fees low or why not why not put a little

[1:43:33] buffer on there and make some extra.

[1:43:36] What what prevents us from doing that?

[1:43:39] >> Yeah, I mean you try to try to stay

[1:43:44] I know I've I've listened to talks that

[1:43:46] developers have had right at conferences

[1:43:47] and that type of thing is you try to

[1:43:49] stay competitive. I mean, if you're

[1:43:50] charging too much, then you're just not

[1:43:52] going to see the growth. And then if

[1:43:55] you're charging, you know, too less,

[1:43:56] then you're not paying for the

[1:43:58] improvements you need. So, it's it is

[1:44:00] kind of a balance there. Uh really, we

[1:44:04] look at, you know, with our level of

[1:44:05] service, hey, what improvements are

[1:44:07] needed and then there's only so much we

[1:44:10] can do. We we're looking at a 10-year

[1:44:12] planning period. So, that's that's the

[1:44:15] ERC's, equivalent residential

[1:44:16] connections in that 10 years. And

[1:44:19] there's only so much we can can do there

[1:44:21] with those improvements.

[1:44:23] >> The other challenge is too if we we get

[1:44:26] too crazy with it, the uh developers

[1:44:29] will notice that it's too crazy and

[1:44:31] they'll push back and and then all of

[1:44:33] this comes out and they'll say you're

[1:44:35] basing it off of not good data or good

[1:44:38] engineering. You're basing it off of a

[1:44:40] desire to have too much. And that opens

[1:44:44] up our impact piece challenge, legal

[1:44:46] challenge. and then we right back here

[1:44:49] giving it all over again. So we got to

[1:44:53] stay within a pretty narrow band of

[1:44:55] what's allowed.

[1:44:57] >> So there's law that governs what we can

[1:44:59] do. You just can't make something up.

[1:45:01] There's laws that are saying

[1:45:02] >> that's the whole point of doing this

[1:45:03] study anyway. This impact fees are are

[1:45:06] one of those things that is just so

[1:45:09] heavily regulated and and rightfully so.

[1:45:11] I mean, no one wants to pay more than

[1:45:13] they have to, and this is a a cost that

[1:45:16] eventually gets pushed back onto

[1:45:19] homeowners

[1:45:20] um to pay. And uh yeah,

[1:45:31] does anybody else have any questions?

[1:45:33] the commission council.

[1:45:38] » Are is the city looking at not waving

[1:45:41] fees as much now?

[1:45:47] » What are you referring to?

[1:45:49] >> Um I know that we've waved fees in the

[1:45:51] past and so with Cameron's concern

[1:45:56] um about maintaining a balance,

[1:46:01] I just

[1:46:04] Um, I just wonder are these static or

[1:46:07] are they fluid?

[1:46:10] Are they I think any impact fee is

[1:46:12] fluid, especially when it comes to

[1:46:13] commercial impact fees and you're in

[1:46:16] direct competition with municipalities,

[1:46:18] right?

[1:46:18] >> Waving fees for the keep the project

[1:46:20] going is common practice across multiple

[1:46:23] municipalities and not for years because

[1:46:25] you want to drive business, economic

[1:46:27] business growth.

[1:46:28] >> Yeah.

[1:46:29] >> Residential and housing growth not

[1:46:31] probably not as much.

[1:46:32] But commercial and and waving and

[1:46:36] assisting or waving impact fees on

[1:46:38] commercial development, I I would still

[1:46:40] think that you would see that as a

[1:46:42] one-on-one. I mean, I don't think it's a set. It's still on a case by case

[1:46:46] basis.

[1:46:49] >> Barry, go ahead.

[1:46:50] >> Oh, I was gonna Robert. I'll try my

[1:46:52] best.

[1:46:53] >> So, this is a 10-year window, right?

[1:46:54] Looking at the next 10 years. And so,

[1:46:56] next year, it's the next 10 years. And

[1:46:57] so, it's going to change. The next 10

[1:46:59] years are going to change. So there has

[1:47:01] to be some Yeah. fluidity.

[1:47:05] >> Yeah. And I've mentioned like for

[1:47:07] wastewater treatment, right? So the the

[1:47:08] plant like even though there's an impact

[1:47:11] fee now, like as long as that plant has

[1:47:13] capacity, excess capacity, you can

[1:47:16] charge buyins for that buyin fees. Y

[1:47:23] » and a lot of this data that's kind of

[1:47:25] why we went there with uh transfer

[1:47:27] transportation for example we're based

[1:47:29] like for non non-residential we're

[1:47:31] basing that based on their actual

[1:47:32] traffic study. So they they come in you

[1:47:36] know it it'll be reviewed by city staff

[1:47:39] you know the the transportation study

[1:47:41] and then that'll kind of dictate what

[1:47:42] their impact fees are. And we what we

[1:47:45] use on a lot of these is we we try to

[1:47:48] use specific city data to back up level

[1:47:51] of service. So it's it's specific to

[1:47:54] Grantsville.

[1:48:02] » Any other questions or comments?

[1:48:05] >> All right. Thank you, Robert.

[1:48:09] » All right. Um with that, I need a motion

[1:48:12] to adjurnn.

[1:48:14] Mayor, I'll make a motion we adjurnn.

[1:48:17] >> Uh, we have a motion to adjurnn by

[1:48:19] council member Dalton. Is there a

[1:48:20] second?

[1:48:22] >> Second.

[1:48:22] >> And a second by council member Williams.

[1:48:24] All in favor?

[1:48:25] >> I.

[1:48:27] >> Thank you for uh MLAN and Robert. For

[1:48:30] your information, please.

[1:48:36] You were worried about that.

[1:48:45] » Couldn't find where I saw

[1:48:56] something.

[1:48:58] >> Yeah. Tomorrow.

04/14/2026 Grantsville City Council and Planning Commission Combined Work Meeting

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