[2:03] Yes, I just wanted to say that the

[2:04] council is muted on Zoom. We can't hear

[2:06] what you guys are doing.

[2:11] » Thank you, Pete.

[2:13] Can you hear us now?

[2:17] » Can he hear us now?

[2:18] >> I can't.

[2:20] Yes, I can.

[2:22] >> Okay. If there's anybody online that

[2:23] would like to make a public comment, uh,

[2:26] please raise your hand.

[2:34] Nothing. Okay, we will close agenda item

[2:37] number one and move to agenda item

[2:40] number two. Summary of action. Summary

[2:43] action items. Uh, letter A, the approval

[2:46] of minutes from the April 1st, 2026 city

[2:49] council regular meeting. These are not

[2:51] ready for us to to review and they will

[2:54] be available at our next meeting. So,

[2:57] item B is the approval of the bills.

[3:00] Does anybody on the council have any

[3:02] questions or comments about the bills?

[3:06] I did have one question regarding uh the

[3:09] a cemetery

[3:11] uh to um looks like for underllayment. I

[3:15] was just wondering what that was

[3:16] specifically.

[3:18] >> So it's a thick um rubber that we're

[3:21] going to put under the fence line we eat

[3:24] under a weed barrier. Okay, perfect.

[3:27] Thank you.

[3:31] » Any other concerns or questions on the

[3:33] bills?

[3:39] Somebody would like to make a motion.

[3:43] » Mayor, I make a motion we approve the

[3:45] bills as presented to us.

[3:47] >> We have a motion by council member

[3:48] Thomas. Is there a second?

[3:50] >> Second.

[3:51] >> A second by council member Butler. All

[3:53] in favor? I

[3:56] >> you

[3:58] item number three, consideration of res

[4:01] resolution 2026-24

[4:04] approving the appointment of Candy

[4:06] Swallum to the Grantsville City Library

[4:08] Board.

[4:12] I don't see Candy here, but I know

[4:15] Candy. So, if anybody would like to make

[4:18] a motion on that, it doesn't look like

[4:21] uh John is here either. Correct. Yeah,

[4:23] he's out today.

[4:25] >> Okay.

[4:26] >> Both these next two items, both these

[4:28] individuals have been attending the

[4:30] library board meetings as just citizens.

[4:32] >> Okay.

[4:33] >> Just learning the ropes, so to speak,

[4:35] until they were approved by the council.

[4:36] >> Okay.

[4:37] >> They have been making an [snorts] extra

[4:39] effort and supporting the library board.

[4:42] >> Perfect. So, Red is our council member

[4:44] who was on the library board. So, thank

[4:47] you for that update. Correct.

[4:51] » Someone would like to make a motion. If

[4:53] there are no f further concerns or

[4:54] questions,

[4:56] >> make a motion we approve resolution 2020

[4:59] 2026-24

[5:01] approving the appointment of Candy

[5:03] Swallen to the Grantsville City Library

[5:05] Board.

[5:06] >> We have a motion by Council Member

[5:07] Butler. Is there a second?

[5:09] >> Second.

[5:10] >> A second by Council Member Williams. All

[5:12] in favor?

[5:14] >> Thank you. we will add her to the

[5:17] Grantsville City Library Board. Um the

[5:20] next item number four is a consideration

[5:23] of resolution 2026-25

[5:26] approving the appointment of Camille

[5:28] Coons to the Grantsville City Library

[5:30] Board.

[5:31] And she also has been attending.

[5:33] >> Yes.

[5:34] >> Great.

[5:36] Can I get a motion? Mayor, I make a

[5:38] motion we approve resolution 2026-25

[5:42] approving the appointment of Camille

[5:44] Coons to the Grantsville City Library

[5:46] Board.

[5:46] >> We have a motion by Council Member

[5:48] Williams. Is there a second?

[5:49] >> I'll second.

[5:50] >> A second by Council Member Dalton. All

[5:52] in favor?

[5:55] >> Right. Thank you to Candy and Camille

[5:58] for being willing to serve our library

[6:01] and our citizens.

[6:02] We will move on to item number five,

[6:06] consideration of resolution 2026-26

[6:09] approving the memorandum of

[6:11] understanding with the inland Port

[6:13] Authority. And we have Stephanie Pack

[6:16] here, it looks like, and I'm hopeful

[6:18] that she's going to give us some great

[6:20] information.

[6:22] >> Thank you so much, Mayor. Um, Stephanie

[6:24] Pack. I'm with the Utah Inland Port

[6:26] Authority. The memorandum of

[6:27] understanding that we provided to the

[6:30] city really outlines the uh commitment

[6:33] that we've discussed in previous

[6:35] meetings where uh the Utah Port

[6:37] Authority who statutoily uh collects

[6:40] sales tax revenue within our project

[6:42] areas. Uh this memorandum of

[6:44] understanding would pass through any

[6:46] sales tax collected by the inland port

[6:48] to the city. Um we we anticipate that

[6:51] the areas within our project area are

[6:53] largely going to be um industrial. Uh

[6:56] there may be some instances in the

[6:58] future of future retail uh requiring the request of this memorandum of

[7:04] understanding. Um but happy to answer

[7:07] any additional questions from the city u

[7:10] regarding the pass through of sales tax.

[7:12] And

[7:12] >> this will cover all the locations. Th

[7:15] this memorandum of understanding would

[7:17] cover all of our our project area

[7:20] boundaries within the city.

[7:22] >> Perfect. So the Broken Arrow site site,

[7:25] the Romney site,

[7:27] >> the site for Mr. Green's property, all

[7:29] three of those are entailed in this.

[7:31] Okay. Thank you.

[7:33] [clears throat]

[7:43] So, you came and visited us. Was it back

[7:45] in February?

[7:46] >> Uh, I believe around that time. Yeah.

[7:48] >> Yeah. Thank you. I mean, we we went

[7:50] through this in detail. Um, back then.

[7:54] So, I don't I don't really have any

[7:57] specific questions for you in this

[7:59] regard. [clears throat]

[8:00] >> This is this is a dumb little I've got

[8:02] one dumb little question. Has it always

[8:05] been called the 20 wells in Lumpport?

[8:08] >> Yes.

[8:08] >> I'm struggling with that because we have

[8:10] a development 20 wells that have nothing

[8:12] to do with each other. Correct.

[8:14] >> Right. [laughter]

[8:17] [clears throat]

[8:19] >> So my question is on here I didn't see

[8:22] anything where it says it defines a

[8:25] percentage we get or anything from any

[8:27] of the the sales taxes. So, how how

[8:31] >> so the the sales tax portion is a little

[8:34] bit different than the property tax

[8:36] rebates. Um the the sales tax that the

[8:39] inland port receives uh when we create a

[8:42] project area isn't at the a 75%

[8:46] breakdown and I actually think it's

[8:47] closer to 20%. Um, and so it will be the

[8:51] entirety of any sales tax that that the

[8:54] inland port collects within those

[8:56] boundaries, we will remit back to

[9:00] Grantsville City. Um, so I I don't think

[9:04] um it's precisely 75% like the property

[9:08] tax breakdown is um but it's closer to

[9:12] that 20% of sales tax generated within

[9:15] that project area comes to the port. So,

[9:18] we're just remitting back our portion

[9:20] that we collect back to the city.

[9:28] » Property tax is a different issue

[9:30] though, right?

[9:33] >> Talked about that at length in that

[9:35] February meeting.

[9:36] >> Wouldn't we want those percentages in

[9:38] this though?

[9:42] I think for the property taxes, it

[9:44] depends on the the what it is and the

[9:46] development and how it goes. So, this is

[9:48] just locking in the the sales tax and we

[9:51] want that across the board on every one

[9:52] of them. And then the individual

[9:56] locations will make different agreements

[9:58] on those property taxes. So, that's why

[10:00] we don't necessarily want to include

[10:01] them here because we don't know those

[10:02] numbers quite yet. And so each location

[10:06] like Broken Arrow will have a different

[10:08] pass through and like probably like Mr.

[10:10] Greens with a higher density of

[10:12] highdensity housing that we want to

[10:13] maybe pass through some more to the

[10:15] school district or the county than the

[10:18] industrial location on the Romney's.

[10:21] But in any event, in all of them, if

[10:23] there's any retail, we want the sales

[10:24] tax pass through.

[10:28] » And this is just saying we will get the

[10:30] >> we will get the sales tax pass through.

[10:31] That would have gone to the port in this

[10:32] area. It will come to Grantsville.

[10:34] >> I mean, and ours is is highlighted. It's

[10:37] left blank, but this will say

[10:38] Grantsville City.

[10:39] >> Yes.

[10:41] >> I need some blank.

[10:42] >> Yeah.

[10:43] This is add whatever you want,

[10:45] [laughter]

[10:46] >> Britney.

[10:47] >> Yeah. This is the template. Uh once the

[10:49] city council uh uh passes a resolution

[10:53] approving the memorandum of

[10:54] understanding, that'll then go to our

[10:56] board uh who will who will make a motion

[10:58] on it and then we will execute the the

[11:00] contract.

[11:02] I know we we went into this in a little

[11:04] more detail back in February, but um the

[11:07] monthly reports that are issued to the

[11:09] city. Um I mean obviously you're doing

[11:13] this elsewhere. What do those entail?

[11:14] I'm just trying to un get an

[11:16] understanding of what's involved in

[11:18] those I guess the first question. And

[11:19] then the second question I had was

[11:22] regarding

[11:23] um the pay those payments obviously um

[11:27] are those audited by the state as well

[11:29] in this process? Um correct. So the the

[11:33] sales tax collection that is a little

[11:36] different than property tax collection.

[11:38] Sales tax collection happens on a

[11:39] monthly cadence. Uh whereas uh property

[11:43] taxes are are are collected on an annual

[11:45] cadence. And so um every month that uh

[11:50] taxes are collected, we will be turning

[11:54] back those funds back to the city. um

[11:57] you'll you'll find that you know those

[12:00] amounts will will likely be really small in the beginning. Uh they

[12:03] won't be super substantial. Um but you

[12:06] know as more retail comes into these

[12:10] project areas um as more sales tax gets

[12:13] generated even in an industrial area

[12:15] where they may have an outlet at a

[12:18] manufacturing site. Um if any sales tax

[12:20] is being generated you know we will we

[12:22] will remit that back on a monthly basis.

[12:24] And so you will get a report of what

[12:26] that remittance looked like. Um we're

[12:28] working really closely with the state

[12:31] sales tax commission. Uh the state tax

[12:34] commission um is is trying really really

[12:37] hard to um hopefully create a process

[12:40] where uh it won't have to come to us

[12:42] first. It will go directly to the city

[12:45] rather than coming to us first. We're

[12:47] not sure if we can make that happen and it's for that auditing purpose. uh

[12:52] we need to demonstrate that per this

[12:54] statute we did collect our portion of

[12:57] sales tax even though we have a

[12:59] memorandum of understanding where we

[13:01] remit that back to the city. And so um

[13:04] we're we're hopeful that we can automate

[13:06] the process so you know you don't have

[13:09] to think about it. We don't have to

[13:10] think about it. You get your monthly

[13:11] reports and and um and that revenue

[13:14] coming in like normal. Um, we just want

[13:16] to make sure that from a an accounting

[13:19] standpoint, uh, we're we're [snorts]

[13:21] doing everything according to the law.

[13:25] >> Have you ever done one of these that

[13:27] have the property tax written in with an

[13:30] article where there's some sort of

[13:32] understanding that each individual

[13:34] project or each parcel um that we'll discuss what that what that looks

[13:40] like? So, uh, you know, we I think what

[13:43] you're describing would would look like

[13:45] an interlocal agreement. I think if

[13:47] there's changes that need to be made on

[13:50] the property, uh, tax level, uh, we

[13:53] would want to look into going into an

[13:56] additional agreement uh, with the city

[13:59] and it would look more like an

[14:00] interlocal agreement rather than anou.

[14:03] Um, this is a a a common of enough

[14:06] request that we've adjusted our policies

[14:09] internally to move to anou format to

[14:13] facilitate

[14:15] uh us being able to go into these

[14:17] agreements uh a lot quicker, a lot more

[14:20] efficiently uh than having to go through

[14:22] the interlocal agreement process which

[14:24] is a little bit different legally. Um

[14:27] the the the outcome is the same. you

[14:29] know, we we remit these these taxes back

[14:31] to the city as needed. And so if there

[14:34] needs to be adjustments on the property

[14:36] t the property tax side of things, um we would just request we we engage in

[14:44] the interlocal agreement process to make

[14:46] any of those adjustments.

[14:49] >> Can we have that written in here

[14:52] >> um in in this agreement?

[14:53] >> Yeah. Um I I guess I guess are there

[14:56] >> question

[14:58] >> that that you would want to engage in an

[15:00] interlocal agreement in the future

[15:02] >> just just it's a memorandum of

[15:04] understanding so an article of of a

[15:08] property tax just like sales and use tax

[15:11] to help future

[15:13] councils and future individuals with the

[15:15] city understand

[15:17] you know what what that is and where

[15:19] those agreements come from and where that dialogue starts. That's kind

[15:23] of what I'm saying.

[15:24] >> Yeah, I think that could be perfectly

[15:27] appropriate for this document. Um, if

[15:30] your team would like to suggest some

[15:32] language that you would like to include

[15:34] in the memorandum of understanding, um,

[15:37] we we can run that through our board.

[15:46] » I'd like your thoughts on it.

[15:48] So what we're [clears throat] trying to

[15:50] accomplish is set forth in the

[15:52] memorandum of understanding that uh in

[15:55] order to further negotiate the property

[15:58] tax percentages ratios we would um enter

[16:02] into some future interlocal agreement

[16:04] and that would be part of the the

[16:06] memorandum of understanding just so that

[16:09] we've got something on paper to say that

[16:11] at some future point if we want to

[16:12] renegotiate some of these ratios then we

[16:15] are going to use the the vehicle of a

[16:19] interlocal agreement that that we're

[16:22] contemplating that going forward just so

[16:24] that future future officials and uh uh

[16:28] city staff can can review this document

[16:31] and and know that that's the avenue to

[16:33] pursue if they want to address those

[16:35] issues. Is that what we're trying to do?

[16:38] I I think it's a great idea

[16:40] >> because

[16:42] >> in for years when other people are

[16:43] sitting in these chairs then they have

[16:46] that to to reference back to and have an

[16:49] understanding as to what the procedure

[16:51] is to make those those adjustments as

[16:56] needed. Do you do you have any issue

[16:58] with that Stephanie?

[16:59] >> I don't think so. Um it's it's always on

[17:02] the table for the city to uh to approach

[17:06] the port and engage in an interlocal

[17:08] agreement um with anything pertaining to

[17:11] our project areas. Um it's it's

[17:13] something we've done in other

[17:15] communities. I think Salt Lake is a

[17:16] great example. um you know, their

[17:19] project area matured to a point where,

[17:21] you know, they they needed to to sit

[17:23] back down and and renegotiate, you know,

[17:26] what uh what those those uh obligations

[17:32] were within the project area. Um what

[17:35] was needed by the community and how we

[17:37] could utilize those project area funds

[17:39] to help support the community. And so I

[17:43] it's always been on the table for the

[17:44] city. It always will be on the table for

[17:46] the city. Um, I think enumerating that

[17:49] within the memorandum is a great idea.

[17:52] >> Perfect. Thank you.

[17:53] >> Council is okay with with with me

[17:55] drafting that language. I can uh I can

[17:58] draft it, run it by city staff, and if if uh if council is okay with us

[18:03] going forward without bringing it back,

[18:05] we can make those changes and uh just

[18:08] have that that that understanding put in

[18:11] one one additional clause within that of

[18:15] understanding.

[18:24] Tyson, do you see any issues with number

[18:27] 10 and 16

[18:40] mostly about the jurisdiction being in

[18:42] Salt Lake County on number 10 and then

[18:44] 17

[18:45] where it says or no sorry 16

[18:51] that UIPA is not shall be liable let's

[18:55] see in no event shall UIP be liable to

[18:59] the city for any indirect in incidental

[19:02] consequential special or exemp exemplary

[19:05] damages arising out related to this

[19:07] agreement including but not limit to

[19:09] loss revenues anticipated profits even

[19:11] if UIP has been advised of the

[19:14] possibility of such damages

[19:20] Well, that's it. So, starting with

[19:22] number 10, um Salt Lake County being the jurisdiction. I mean, that's I I I

[19:28] don't have a problem with that. We we do

[19:30] like to if if we're going to file

[19:32] something, we do typically file it with

[19:34] Tilla County, but Salt Lake County is

[19:36] still the third district. And really,

[19:38] [clears throat] the the way the third

[19:39] district works right now is they they

[19:42] kind of share cases. And so there's a chance even if the rope to

[19:45] Willow County here, it would would end

[19:47] up in Salt Lake County anyway. So I

[19:49] don't I don't have a [clears throat]

[19:50] problem with with going to Salt Lake

[19:51] County disputed.

[19:54] Um, as far as 16 goes, the that that's a

[19:57] little bit more of a a waiver that we're

[20:00] looking at here. Um,

[20:05] we're not waving direct damages. What

[20:08] we're waving is um all of the uh

[20:12] indirect incidental, consequential and

[20:15] special exemplary damages, things like

[20:18] punitive damages. Um

[20:21] so I guess to the extent that um

[20:25] we believe that there there could be

[20:26] some downwind um indirect

[20:30] um [clears throat] loss, we we would be

[20:32] waving that in this in this uhou.

[20:35] Um but there's as as far as recovery of

[20:40] direct um um

[20:44] >> damages, we would be able to to recover

[20:46] those. Um so this is the um

[20:52] the downstream impact of of some uh some

[20:56] negligence or um or a breach that that

[21:01] happens on behalf of of UEO would we

[21:05] would not be able to pursue any of those

[21:08] special types of damages that are

[21:09] consequential.

[21:21] So this is just a personal question.

[21:24] While you're standing there, could you

[21:26] give us a just a twominut? So when you

[21:29] were here in February, I was somewhat

[21:32] surprised and this is

[21:35] if this is my lack of education, I

[21:37] understand, but I was l I was really

[21:39] surprised that the Inland Port Authority

[21:41] had morphed into covering property that

[21:43] would be residential.

[21:45] >> You know, we and maybe that's just

[21:48] visual driving by what's happening, you

[21:50] know, in unused areas and industrial

[21:55] kind of that arena. and then the

[21:57] presentation where there was a heavy

[21:59] residential component.

[22:02] Is that working? [clears throat] Is it

[22:04] full steam ahead? Is that being done in

[22:06] other areas? I just want a

[22:08] >> one minute update or is it going well?

[22:11] >> So in in the

[22:14] in most of our project areas um that

[22:17] include residential, a lot of them are in rural areas. Um, the reason that

[22:24] we've engaged in the re residential side

[22:28] of things is is because our our project

[22:31] areas need it. Um, and so if there's a a

[22:35] and and we always always take the lead

[22:37] of the community and so the the

[22:39] community approaches us and says, "Hey,

[22:41] we do need industrial, but we need a

[22:43] place for the the workforce to live."

[22:47] And so that's when we started engaging

[22:50] in residential at the behest of the

[22:53] communities that we're working with. Um

[22:55] similarly with the project that we're

[22:57] doing here in Grantsville, um we we take

[23:00] the lead of the city and we respond to

[23:02] the city's needs utilizing the tools

[23:04] that the legislature has given us. Uh

[23:07] the legislative tools we've been given

[23:08] are are broad enough that they can

[23:11] include things like residential. Um it really is up to the city to determine

[23:17] what makes the most sense. Um we've had some good dialogue with the

[23:22] county on on you know what including

[23:25] residential in these project areas can

[23:27] mean. Uh that's been really beneficial

[23:29] dialogue uh since you know the the

[23:31] property tax increment that we collect

[23:34] uh it impacts the city and the county

[23:36] and the school district and you know all

[23:39] of the taxing entities that that are

[23:41] downstream. um we're sensitive to that

[23:43] and we want to make sure that we're focused on projects that have

[23:48] economic significance for your city and

[23:52] um we've we've seen it work in in other

[23:54] project areas as well. We find that the

[23:56] residential is complimentary to the job

[23:59] centers that we're creating in these

[24:01] industrial zones. Um and we hope it'll

[24:03] be the same here in Grantsville.

[24:06] >> Thank you.

[24:10] If you guys were to terminate this

[24:12] agreement, what happens to the revenue

[24:13] that's already been generated or

[24:15] expected?

[24:17] >> So, the purpose of this agreement would

[24:19] be um for us to pass through the sales

[24:23] tax revenue um that that is generated

[24:26] month over month. So, so you'll be

[24:28] receiving that money month over month.

[24:30] It won't be held for any specific amount

[24:33] of time. Um if if for whatever reason

[24:37] the city decides, hey, we actually want

[24:39] to capture the sales tax revenue for

[24:41] whatever reason, um we can use that

[24:44] revenue in the same way we use the

[24:46] property tax revenue for infrastructure

[24:49] upgrades for, you know,

[24:52] um whatever statutoal uses make sense

[24:55] within our project area, which is

[24:57] largely infrastructure related. um we we

[25:01] would just continue to allow that sales

[25:04] tax to flow throughout the life of the

[25:05] project. Um our our project area life

[25:08] has a statutory length of 25 years. At

[25:11] the end of 25 years, um we we dissolve

[25:15] that project. Um,

[25:19] if the project area dissolves before

[25:21] that 25-y year time horizon's up, the sales tax would would be flowing

[25:28] through like normal as well. Um, so we

[25:30] would dissolve that that sales tax

[25:32] collection as well. And so, you know, in

[25:34] the case where

[25:36] um, you know, we're collecting it, we're

[25:38] going to have to, you know, demonstrate

[25:40] that we did collect it per the statute

[25:43] um, and remit it back. Since the project

[25:45] area has been closed, we we no longer

[25:47] have to demonstrate that we're

[25:48] collecting that. So, it'll just go back

[25:49] to the city. Um, so I I did that answer

[25:52] your question

[25:54] >> in a roundabout way. [laughter]

[25:57] Um I I I

[26:01] in a f if a future council decides to

[26:04] dissolve uh this this memorandum

[26:07] um you know we would we would collect

[26:10] that that sales tax and we would use it

[26:13] the way we use the property tax

[26:16] increment that we're collecting and we

[26:18] would put it towards the statutory

[26:21] earmarked uses of that of those funds

[26:25] and and we wouldn't be able or take it

[26:27] [snorts] away from Grantsville. We

[26:28] wouldn't be able to use it for anything

[26:29] other than what's uh statutoily

[26:32] required.

[26:34] >> Thank you.

[26:40] Mayor, I make a motion that we approve

[26:43] resolution 2026-26

[26:45] approving the memorandum of

[26:47] understanding with the Inland Port

[26:49] Authority with the addition of an

[26:53] article or clause

[26:55] um directly after the sales tax

[26:59] which is uh article three sales and use

[27:02] tax

[27:03] >> [clears throat]

[27:03] >> um with a a heading of property tax and

[27:06] having attorney Barker uh draft that up

[27:09] and and approve that with staff and then

[27:12] and send that on to u the the Utah

[27:15] Inland Port Authority.

[27:17] >> Okay, we have a motion by Council Member

[27:20] Butler. Is there a second?

[27:22] >> Second.

[27:22] >> And a second by Council Member Williams.

[27:24] All in favor?

[27:27] >> Thank you.

[27:28] >> Okay, thanks Stephanie.

[27:31] Item number six is a public hearing

[27:33] item. Um it's a discussion and

[27:36] consideration of adopting resolution

[27:38] 2026-22

[27:40] approving the expenditure of class C

[27:42] road funds for road department

[27:43] equipment. So we're going to have the

[27:46] presentation by our roads department

[27:48] first and then if there um are any

[27:52] anybody that would like to make a

[27:54] comment is able to do that following the

[27:56] presentation. So, we'll turn that um to

[28:00] Ben now, our roads

[28:03] department supervisor.

[28:06] >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. I am

[28:08] Ben Henderson, the road department

[28:10] supervisor for Grantsville. Um been here

[28:13] since first part of January, end of

[28:15] December. I appreciate the opportunity.

[28:17] Um

[28:19] I come with a pretty strong background

[28:21] of asphalt maintenance and preservation.

[28:25] uh starting with my time at uh Bernal

[28:29] City as just a regular road hand and

[28:32] then moving on to South Salt Lake for

[28:34] several years, growing to a supervisor

[28:36] at that position and then moving on to

[28:39] Kemer, Wyoming for several years as

[28:41] public works director, running the

[28:43] airport and many other assets uh besides

[28:46] roads, parks, doing uh all those

[28:49] maintenance duties there. small crew

[28:51] similar to here uh with 70 road miles

[28:55] very similar to here as well. Um and

[28:58] then moving on to Duchen County where I

[29:01] spent eight years uh growing my

[29:05] extending my expertise and learning a

[29:08] lot of the traits that I have today with

[29:10] asphalt maintenance and doing uh

[29:14] reclamation projects with zippers. And

[29:17] uh I call I I love to call it zip and

[29:20] chip. So we we zip a road, we come back

[29:22] in and we can either chip it or pave it.

[29:24] There's just lots of different um

[29:27] applications that we can use in that. In

[29:30] this presentation, there will be several

[29:32] photos that we can if you have questions

[29:34] during this process, feel free. We can

[29:37] do it either buy piece of equipment that

[29:40] I'm asking for at the end, ask me any

[29:42] questions or we can wait till we get

[29:44] down to the bottom line and then go from

[29:46] there however you feel. So we can start

[29:48] going through the slides.

[29:57] Okay, we go back to

[30:00] [snorts] that. that one is this this is

[30:02] just our strategic equipment investment

[30:03] to maintain Grantsville's roads to

[30:05] reduce long-term repairs and cost which

[30:07] we are behind the curve on quite a ways

[30:09] in in the city. Um but we're going to

[30:11] get ahead of it pretty quickly. That's

[30:13] my goal. So um you can move to the next

[30:16] slide please. Then this is for a

[30:18] crackill machine which we just rented to

[30:21] get the ball rolling until we could get

[30:23] this equipment bought. We did complete

[30:26] about 93% or 95% of Anderson Ranches at

[30:30] this point by renting a piece of

[30:32] equipment. Um, we did not get a couple

[30:34] of those roads on the 26 list for

[30:36] crackill. That'll bring our PSI up

[30:40] dramatically once we drive that with our

[30:42] analytic system. And uh, so we just made

[30:47] a big jump on it. The thing that I did

[30:49] notice and our crews did notice that the

[30:51] cracks because I'm not sure how old

[30:54] Anderson Ranches is, but it's got to be

[30:56] plus 10 years, right? Um, some of those

[30:58] cracks sucked up that oil pretty good.

[31:00] So, that tells me there's voids already

[31:03] being created through the through water

[31:06] and so we've caught that, but we may be

[31:09] a little bit late. They may start

[31:11] sinking at some point, but we're we're at least doing something. So, and

[31:16] I and I would fear that any road within

[31:19] the city at this point, we just need to

[31:22] jump on and get ahead. So, the 5-year

[31:24] pro program would be to do about

[31:26] approximately

[31:29] 15 tons, which covers approximately 25

[31:32] miles. It depends on the road, uh, how

[31:34] many cracks, what's there, how much

[31:36] sinking we're we're getting in those

[31:39] roads. So currently we started out with

[31:42] 16 tons and we ended up we had to give

[31:44] the machine back because they sold it.

[31:46] Uh we we have 3 and 12 tons left in the

[31:49] yard that we can put in the fall when

[31:51] things start cooling down. Crack seal

[31:52] needs to kind of go down in cooler

[31:54] temperatures. It's it's much better

[31:57] because the cracks are at their widest

[32:00] at that point.

[32:01] >> [snorts]

[32:01] >> So, um, if you have any questions on the

[32:05] return of investment, uh, we can go or

[32:08] any questions on this slide. Basically,

[32:11] for every dollar invested in a crack

[32:12] sealing project saves you about $48 in

[32:16] future road maintenance. Um, and I kind

[32:20] of ran off numbers of adding five miles

[32:22] per year. We currently have 95 miles in

[32:24] the in the city and uh, we'll be ending

[32:28] up at five years. That's assumptive. So

[32:32] 115 miles over the five years,

[32:36] which we'd have depending on that year,

[32:39] we would have somewhere between 35 and

[32:42] $40,000 in annual budget. And we can go

[32:46] to the next slide. It'll show the um

[32:50] so

[32:52] we bought crack seal this year under

[32:54] contract, state contract for $1,100 a

[32:57] ton. So based on numbers and throughout

[33:02] Utah is 12-,800 per ton for us to do our

[33:04] own material. If you contract that out,

[33:08] which we had even bids much higher than

[33:10] 6,500. I had one contractor bid the

[33:12] parking lot at public works was in

[33:14] excess of 13,000. So for one ton or

[33:18] three ton, excuse me. So um it could go

[33:22] higher than the $65 $6,500

[33:25] per ton. So that saves us annually

[33:28] between 90 and you know or between 42 to

[33:32] 58,000 in annual. So we pay that machine

[33:34] back somewhere between two and one and a

[33:36] half to two years $85,000 investment

[33:42] and posing the you know the question is

[33:44] to lease it or rent it. It it just runs

[33:47] into the same problem. We only have two

[33:49] companies in the state of Utah that

[33:50] really rent their equipment and you're

[33:53] stacking with everybody else that needs

[33:55] it. UD do is probably one of the largest

[33:57] renters in the state. So they get kind

[34:00] of first precedence. If we don't jump on

[34:02] it early and get it, we may not get a

[34:04] machine during the period that we need

[34:05] it. So it's this way we can attack other

[34:08] things besides just crack sealing. We

[34:11] can go out and deal with our water cuts

[34:13] which have kind of been neglected over

[34:15] the years. Not purposely, but it's

[34:18] there's just no way to they've kind of

[34:20] used tac in the past. It doesn't work

[34:22] very well, but it does work. Um but uh

[34:25] we can deal with other things at our at

[34:29] our leisure when we need to. Um when we

[34:32] have slow times, we keep the crews busy

[34:34] doing other things.

[34:37] So that's the crack seal investment.

[34:41] We can move on to the mask. So this is a

[34:44] picture of unfortunately our videos. We

[34:46] ran into some technical issues. I had

[34:48] quite a few videos on here. This was a

[34:50] drone flight of saddle when we first got

[34:53] started. It'll show you going down

[34:54] around saddle, but uh we didn't it it's

[34:57] not going to play. So, if if you want

[34:59] these videos, I'm more than happy to try

[35:01] to send them to you. They just didn't

[35:02] download very well. Um there's a lot of file there. So, but this was a

[35:07] drone flight of saddle

[35:09] as our crews were doing it.

[35:13] Mastic has grown is growing in in uh

[35:16] popularity over the last seven to eight

[35:19] years really. It's been around for more

[35:21] than that, but popularity wise, it's

[35:23] really starting to take a grip. Um it's

[35:25] great for uh deficiencies in the road

[35:28] like potholes or starting of potholes.

[35:30] Um, when you have your meat lines for

[35:32] your asphalt, your cold joints, you can

[35:35] get in there and crack seal or you can

[35:37] mastic those and it acts as a much

[35:41] better sealer than crack seal in a lot

[35:42] of places. When you get a real wide gap,

[35:44] it fills that gap very well. Uh, it's

[35:47] chippable, so you can chip over it. You

[35:49] can m you can do your slurry seals, your

[35:51] microsurfaces,

[35:53] pave over it. It's very it it it h works

[35:57] really well in that condition.

[36:00] So to contract that work, it's usually

[36:02] $6 a foot per foot, 120,000 a year based

[36:06] on my numbers of using 50 ton a year. Uh

[36:10] the annual savings if we buy this

[36:12] machine and do it oursself is somewhere

[36:14] between 40 and 80,000 a year. And the

[36:16] payback would be about 1.2 years based

[36:18] on that 50. 50 is an assumptive number,

[36:21] but that would be my goal to get us

[36:24] ahead. We have a lot of areas that we

[36:27] can do that. We can smooth out rides. We

[36:29] can do we can stack it. So when you have

[36:31] a indent in the road, you can put a thin

[36:34] layer over it, come back and another

[36:36] thin layer and it'll help you with your

[36:38] rideability.

[36:43] There's some pictures of the mastic

[36:45] going down in different generally you do

[36:47] uh drag boxes. They have one foot, two

[36:49] foot, four foot boxes depending on the

[36:52] deficiency.

[36:54] You can also hand iron it. So this is uh

[36:59] a truck that I found when I was at

[37:00] Duchen County. Uh the seme truck I

[37:03] believe was born for the for this

[37:05] environment small city. I used it in the

[37:08] county of 4,500 miles with about 600

[37:11] miles of paving with our efforts of

[37:13] chipsill zip and chips. Unfortunately I

[37:17] had a video that showed the truck in use

[37:19] in Duchain but I don't have that didn't

[37:21] download as well. So it'll it'll handle

[37:24] chip sealing, gives ability to seal

[37:26] coat, fog, uh some other applications of

[37:29] oil, um scrub sealing, you can drag a

[37:33] broom behind it and come back behind

[37:34] that at a later date and chip over it

[37:37] and make a better road. And then

[37:39] multi-surface applications, just

[37:41] different oils. Uh there's a lot of

[37:43] different companies out there that offer

[37:44] us a lot of gamut on different oils that

[37:47] we can use that will uh rejuvenate the

[37:51] asphalt, bring it back to life and give

[37:53] us the ability to cover it up when it's

[37:55] it the sun just beats on it. Vehicles,

[37:58] it'll help us with that

[38:01] single operator. Um

[38:04] >> that's kind of a huge thing.

[38:05] >> That's a big thing. There's one guy

[38:07] running the truck. It's still an

[38:08] operation, but it's one guy running the

[38:10] truck. All one button push operation.

[38:14] You can It widens out 15 ft. It drops

[38:17] the oil one foot in front of the chip.

[38:19] So you you can release traffic a lot

[38:22] faster than trying to pull a train, the

[38:24] chip seal. I don't know if anybody's

[38:26] familiar with seeing chip seal

[38:28] operations. Usually there's 20 trucks, a

[38:30] big chip seals, you know, piece of

[38:32] equipment and oil trucks. It requires a

[38:35] big crew. This cuts your crew in half.

[38:37] You can really get it down to a roller

[38:40] operator, the truck operator, and then

[38:43] an operator to load the truck with

[38:45] chips. And then you have your flaggers

[38:48] basically, and you can cut traffic back

[38:49] on it fairly quick depending on the oil

[38:51] you choose.

[38:52] Within

[38:54] maximum a couple of hours, you can have

[38:56] traffic on that oil.

[38:58] So,

[39:01] yeah, that was the video. So, we can it

[39:03] didn't download. So, unfortunately, That

[39:06] truck is uh I did talk to the sales rep

[39:09] again. Uh I originated that conversation

[39:11] with him to get the numbers that I did

[39:13] for this presentation. I spoke with him

[39:16] today. They have one that's just

[39:18] stepping out of manufacturing in South Carolina. He thought it was

[39:22] ready to ship. So we have that truck

[39:25] being available at our if we choose to

[39:28] adopt it. uh pneumatic wheel rollers.

[39:32] They they call it a loader in this, but

[39:34] it's actually it's a pneumatic roller.

[39:37] You use it for chip roll your chip over.

[39:39] Lays the rock down into the oil for full

[39:41] emulsion into the oil. And then you can

[39:44] also use it for your for road widening

[39:46] projects and other projects that we need

[39:48] to do within the city, zip and chip

[39:50] projects. Lay that. It it acts just like

[39:53] a steel drum roller in some cases. It

[39:55] will give you a strong compaction. So,

[39:58] it's just kind of an allin-one machine

[40:00] versus doing steel drum. You can't

[40:02] really roll chip with a steel drum.

[40:04] People do it, but it crushes the rock.

[40:06] And we're going to be using, my idea was

[40:08] use much smaller rock than I've used in

[40:11] the past. Duchang County, Lee County.

[40:14] Um, you were using anywhere from 3/4 to

[40:17] 58 rock because of the semi and oil

[40:20] fields that I'm used to working in. So

[40:22] they use a much bigger rock and that we

[40:25] use more I'm looking at more like a 38

[40:27] or smaller if I can get it. So that's

[40:29] better for environment in the

[40:31] neighborhoods. People don't like chip

[40:32] seals in neighborhoods. I will not chip

[40:34] seal a culde-sac. It's just not a good

[40:36] idea with all the turning and the

[40:38] ripping of it. But you can do everything

[40:40] else pretty much all your straight runs

[40:42] and get that and then you can fog it

[40:44] with a a a good oil to fog it. Lock

[40:48] those rocks in and you don't get near

[40:50] the rough ride. you don't get all the

[40:52] skateboard problems, kids on their

[40:54] boards complaining about it. Uh, as well

[40:57] as then you can come back over and do a

[40:59] uh scrub seal. There's a lot of

[41:01] different things we can do with that.

[41:06] Your return on investment on that is

[41:08] about two to three years typically.

[41:12] And I had a video here too for the Timco

[41:15] 500. It's the strongest sweeper. It's

[41:17] what all the contractors are gone to for

[41:19] chip sills currently. the big

[41:21] [clears throat] granite construction and

[41:22] most everybody is using this particular

[41:24] sweeper because of its power to pick up.

[41:26] That video actually shows them dumping

[41:29] that road base on the road and showing

[41:31] it picking it up completely. Um over

[41:34] time you've got to do maintenance on

[41:35] sweepers, but it versus a sweeper we

[41:38] have that's the box is rusted. It

[41:41] doesn't have any vacuum. It can't keep a

[41:43] vacuum. We just don't we don't even use

[41:45] it. So, um, that is an all-in-one

[41:48] machine. What will give us ability to

[41:50] sweep the streets as well as sweep after

[41:51] our chip sills. The good thing about the

[41:53] Seekmier truck is it's very efficient.

[41:55] So, we don't end up with that big pile

[41:57] of rocks on the road that you have to

[41:58] sweep off. It's it's tight. It runs a

[42:02] very tight rock and oil. You have very

[42:05] little waste with that truck. So, we I

[42:08] feel like we wouldn't have near the rock

[42:09] to pick up that you would in a regular

[42:11] chip sill.

[42:13] On that one, you're looking at about

[42:15] three year three to five years. Most

[42:16] likely in the end of the when you're

[42:18] paying that much money for that piece of

[42:19] equipment, it it's going to be on that

[42:22] four to five year range.

[42:27] Asphalt zipper. Um I'm I'm a big

[42:31] proponent for the use of those.

[42:32] Unfortunately, we had one and uh just

[42:35] needed other things and uh but we're

[42:38] going to I'd like to present getting it

[42:40] back. Uh there's a lot of things that we

[42:42] can do like South Street needs to be re

[42:44] rehabilitated. There's a lot of things

[42:46] you can do with rotoill um and just

[42:49] taking up old roads. Uh there's several

[42:51] roads that I would, you know, recommend

[42:53] that we go back. You try not to use it

[42:55] in high utility areas, but we can

[42:58] maneuver around those utilities or you

[43:00] just go up to them and then you you may

[43:02] end up tearing out some asphalt to get

[43:05] to that. But you just put rotomill back

[43:07] in. So, uh, if you're going to do a zip

[43:10] and ship, that's one thing or a repave.

[43:13] So, they call that, uh,

[43:16] reclamation,

[43:18] but, uh, in place reclamation. So,

[43:21] purchase price for the new updated

[43:23] version of the of the asphalt zipper

[43:26] comes with a water tank. It has It used

[43:28] to have a very cumbersome box that you'd

[43:31] have to mount to get to so you could

[43:33] either zip without the box or the box,

[43:37] but they've integrated that now to where

[43:39] the box is integrated in the system.

[43:40] It's not something that comes off. It's

[43:42] just part of the system. So, it's it's a

[43:44] much better machine than it was before.

[43:46] They the good thing about asphalt

[43:48] zippers, they they do spend a lot of

[43:50] money on bringing out the latest piece

[43:53] of equipment. So,

[43:56] we could do, you know, my two two and a

[43:58] half miles is assumptive, but just based

[44:00] on what we have out there and what I'm

[44:02] seeing and we have roads that need to be

[44:04] treated. Um, even dirt roads we can do

[44:07] and a really good treatment with that as

[44:09] well. So, payback period on that piece

[44:11] of machine is between two and three

[44:13] years based on what we can do.

[44:18] So, these are pictures. The upper

[44:19] pictures are is a road that went to our

[44:22] gravel pit in Lee County that I did just

[44:24] before I left there. Um, one of many

[44:27] roads that we did and I've got over 100

[44:29] miles that I did in Duchain similar to

[44:31] this. You'll see the rock is bigger

[44:33] because I mentioned that that's half to

[44:35] 58 rock. Um, but that is a road that's

[44:38] the before and that's the after. So

[44:40] that's that's what you end up with a

[44:42] double chip. Uh, makes for a very good

[44:44] road. And then you seal over that with a a seal coat

[44:50] to blacken it up. The lower pictures are

[44:53] from a friend of mine up in Boise. She

[44:55] uh is the public works director up

[44:57] there. That is a curb and gutter

[44:59] scenario with chipsill and fogging. So

[45:01] that's what it would look like with fog

[45:04] oil over the top of the small chip. And

[45:06] they use a 38 chip there down to a 5/8

[45:09] or down to a 316. So,

[45:14] the key to it is get it fogged and get

[45:16] it covered up.

[45:18] Okay.

[45:20] Uh, water tanker. Um, many reasons why

[45:23] many uses for that, many reasons why

[45:25] it's good to water your chips down

[45:27] before you load them in the truck. So,

[45:29] that gives us the ability to wet those

[45:31] chips down a couple of days before we

[45:32] start our project because the oil loves

[45:35] water in rock. So, if you have some

[45:37] those soaked up a little bit, you don't

[45:39] want them drenched, but you want some

[45:40] moisture in there. Gives us the ability

[45:42] to to uh wet down our dirt roads when we

[45:46] need to grade them as well as keep dust

[45:49] suppression down and many other uses. We

[45:51] have, you know, we have a bunch of

[45:53] rotomill that I just spent time

[45:54] screening with uh that needed screened

[45:57] out in our pit that was just kind of

[45:59] sitting there with big chunks. So we got

[46:01] a screen and went through that and ended

[46:02] up with quite a bit of that road to mill

[46:04] and I my future would be to hope get

[46:07] with you do and get as much of that

[46:09] that's available to us in the future

[46:10] because it it really is a good tool for

[46:13] building roads. You got to do it right

[46:15] and water's the biggest key. You'll see

[46:18] that as I I just built a ADA ramp out

[46:21] here at the rodeo grounds with road to

[46:23] mill and water. So you take a look at

[46:25] that.

[46:28] So,

[46:30] um, but so talking with Michael and

[46:33] working things out with what we want to

[46:35] do in the future with roads and widening

[46:37] roads and road projects, we went through

[46:39] the scenario of getting a greater or

[46:41] dealing with and I and dealing with a

[46:43] sales rep and doing my due diligence

[46:46] that the 275 CAT and the and the smart

[46:50] blade with the ability to hook up GPS is

[46:54] a really good version for us. cost

[46:57] effective wise if you're looking at over

[46:59] a half a million dollar investment for a

[47:00] greater can take that GPS system and

[47:03] work with it or this piece of equipment

[47:05] is $120 $130,000 GPS so um that gives

[47:11] you the ability to you know do your do

[47:13] your grading your 2% even without the

[47:15] GPS that the smart blade comes with the

[47:18] ability it hooks up it integrates with

[47:20] the machine it tells you your 2% your 1%

[47:23] your crimes your your digs it levels

[47:26] out. It's It's a very good system that

[47:28] CAT has CAT's got the best piece of

[47:31] equipment when it comes to that. So,

[47:33] this will give us the ability to do road

[47:35] widening projects and other projects

[47:38] within the city and save a bunch of

[47:41] money in contractor abilities or

[47:43] contractors, you know. So, pay back on

[47:47] that piece of equipment is about 2.2

[47:50] years.

[47:52] So, two and a half years based on what

[47:54] we can save.

[47:56] And I'm looking at, you know, poss,

[47:58] we're looking at the ability to hire a

[48:01] uh supervisor and somebody that has the

[48:04] ability to work with GPS in the future.

[48:07] I can tell you my crews and probably

[48:10] some of the best crews I've ever had,

[48:12] too. So, they're they're very apt to

[48:15] pick that up as well. So,

[48:19] » how many individuals do you have on your

[48:20] crew right now?

[48:22] >> Three.

[48:22] or four, excuse me. And then yeah,

[48:25] and we're lacking the one supervisor, so

[48:27] it'll be six with me.

[48:34] I'm doing pretty good. I must say the

[48:36] guys with the number of people we have,

[48:38] we're doing pretty good. We bounce

[48:39] around a lot. That was a video of the

[48:42] blade with the w those wings open and

[48:45] closed so you can close the product and

[48:46] carry it. Gives you a lot of abilities.

[48:51] Um, late into this I found out we were

[48:54] probably giving our old truck, our old

[48:56] dump truck to the sewer department with

[48:57] their with their need with the new sewer

[49:00] plant. So, I put together the pricing

[49:02] for Freight Liner came in with the

[49:04] lowest bid for the cabin chassis. What

[49:07] we're what I'm recommending is we take

[49:09] the old stainless steel bed off the old

[49:11] truck, retrofit it to the new truck, and

[49:14] then we'll get all new plow mechanisms

[49:16] uh operational because it it doesn't old

[49:18] stuff doesn't integrate well with new

[49:20] trucks. So, it's just best we spend the

[49:22] extra money to get new plow controls,

[49:25] put a new plow plate that adapts to the

[49:28] current plow and sander that we have.

[49:30] So, uh with that savings, you're saving

[49:33] between 80 and 150,000 by not buying a

[49:36] truck with all a new bed, new plow

[49:39] retrofit. So,

[49:45] and then we are in need of some pickups

[49:47] in the we have a couple real old trucks

[49:49] in the road department that are two

[49:51] wheel drive. One's a two wheel drive

[49:53] that's got a it's pretty old and then

[49:55] the other one is it's well on its way as

[49:57] well. So, I'm recommending we move to

[50:00] 3500 crew cabs so we can put fuel cells

[50:03] in the back of them and give us the

[50:04] ability to fuel in the field versus

[50:07] coming back every day and refueling it.

[50:10] at the UD do shed. Uh it just gives us

[50:12] more mobility to do that. So that's why

[50:15] I recommend going to the 3500s. I've

[50:17] started getting bids. Uh some of the

[50:19] first bids came back from I have a

[50:21] really extensive contact list with

[50:24] dealerships that I've worked through my

[50:26] times in municipalities as well as uh in

[50:30] my earlier life. My dad had a tire shop

[50:32] in Salt Lake for 40 years and I was

[50:33] outside sales for that for a long time

[50:36] and I dealt with every car dealer in the

[50:39] state of Utah. So I have a very

[50:41] extensive list of people that give me

[50:43] good prices. So initially the prices I

[50:46] set high but Dodge came in with under 50

[50:50] for that truck for a gas truck. So, um,

[50:53] to and then we we're looking at doing a

[50:57] work box on one of them and that would

[50:59] boost that by about 13,000

[51:02] depending on the box we choose.

[51:05] So,

[51:07] and then the equipment king trailer to

[51:11] pull behind our dump trucks, our

[51:12] bobtails. That will give us the ability

[51:14] to haul back hose. Uh, the track the

[51:17] min's double. With that trailer, we

[51:19] could haul two mini X's to one location

[51:21] if we needed to or stack them and move

[51:23] them around for different divisions

[51:26] quicker. And our, you know, some of our

[51:29] trailers that we have currently are a

[51:30] little underutilized size-wise and

[51:32] they're just they're not really the best

[51:34] trailer for what we're using it for. So,

[51:36] it gives us a much broader ability to

[51:39] haul a lot more equipment

[51:42] instead of road it. you know, we're

[51:44] roing our back hose and it it it gets

[51:47] expensive to to start roing equipment

[51:49] around the city as we grow. It's just

[51:51] probably a better way to go.

[51:54] And then my sign guy sometimes he's a

[51:57] lone wolf and this is a towbehind unit.

[51:59] It we did rent one from Home Depot has

[52:01] those and we rented one for just to make

[52:03] sure that it vested out and it it worked

[52:07] wonderfully. It doesn't do great or no

[52:10] augur really does great in rocky soil,

[52:12] but it gives him the ability to it's a

[52:14] lot less maintenance or uh labor on him

[52:18] to dig a hole for a sign. So, we would

[52:22] make that the sign for signs and other

[52:24] stuff that we do.

[52:27] So, and then this is the cost of all the

[52:30] equipment together piece by piece and my

[52:34] notes or certain things. So if you guys

[52:36] have any questions based on that, I

[52:39] stand for questions.

[52:56] » You want to do the public hearing before

[52:59] questions?

[53:00] >> That's kind of what I was thinking, too.

[53:02] [clears throat]

[53:02] >> Let's uh let's hear if anyone's here to

[53:04] make any public comment. All right.

[53:06] >> And then we can

[53:07] >> then we'll bring you back up if that's

[53:09] all right.

[53:09] >> That's perfect. Okay.

[53:11] >> And or Christie

[53:13] >> and perhaps Aspen too with financial

[53:15] side. [clears throat]

[53:17] >> Was there anybody who would like to make

[53:18] a a public comment on this this item

[53:21] after hearing the presentation?

[53:27] Anybody online?

[53:37] All right.

[53:40] Does anybody have any questions at this

[53:41] point? Would you like me to bring Ben

[53:43] back up?

[53:45] If we can have Aspen kind of walk

[53:47] through the finances,

[53:49] I think is where you're gonna go with

[53:51] that. Let's just go right [laughter]

[53:52] there. We were reviewing the budget and

[53:54] the mayor

[53:55] >> wants to utilize the the weather. So, we

[53:58] wanted to put this on the budget right

[53:59] now instead of waiting for the the new

[54:01] budget year to try and get ahead on this

[54:03] and start repairing our roads.

[54:07] >> What questions do you have?

[54:08] >> Kind of walk you through how where the

[54:10] money is currently and how much is

[54:13] there.

[54:14] >> Okay. So, every month I send you guys a

[54:16] copy of our financials. Um, this is

[54:18] indicated on page two of those

[54:20] financials. About the eighth line down,

[54:23] it is account 10165.

[54:25] This is our class C road PTIFF. It's the

[54:27] PTIF 1425.

[54:29] Um, that's where our class C road money

[54:32] sits. And so, as of March 31st, 2026,

[54:37] there's $4,796,8501

[54:41] in that account. Um, so sufficient to

[54:46] cover the $3 million price tag on these

[54:48] things. Um, class C road funds are

[54:52] basically distributed from the state

[54:54] based on fuel tax. Um, it's distributed

[54:58] based on population and miles of road.

[55:01] Um, so every city, county gets different

[55:04] amounts based on those two factors. Um

[55:09] it's

[55:11] really

[55:13] so that's where the money comes from I

[55:14] guess. So uh if you have questions there

[55:18] um but it is restrict before you go on

[55:21] to that would you just maybe make it

[55:24] just so that everybody in the public and

[55:26] even the council as well understands

[55:28] it's not like you can just take the

[55:29] class C road money and say oh well we're

[55:31] going to stick it into the sewer because

[55:33] we need a new sewer treatment. Just make

[55:36] an explan explain that segueing.

[55:38] Perfect. [laughter]

[55:39] >> Okay, perfect.

[55:40] >> So, it is very restricted on how we use

[55:42] this money. It is a restricted fund.

[55:44] It's give it um it's distributed by the

[55:48] state and we it's state code R 926 if

[55:53] you guys want to look it up, but that's

[55:54] where they specified how we can use the

[55:56] class B, which would be the county, and

[55:58] the class C, which is our road funds.

[56:00] And it has to be for roads within our

[56:03] community. That's why we get it is to

[56:04] help us afford to maintain the roads

[56:08] that we have here within. Um so one

[56:12] qualifying is to purchase equipment and

[56:13] machinery to construct and maintain our

[56:16] roads. Um so all of these would qualify

[56:19] within that. It is specified that it's

[56:23] for road equipment. We can't just say oh

[56:26] this dozer's a road dozer and then you

[56:29] know someone else is always using it. it

[56:31] has to be specifically

[56:33] for roads like road maintenance. Um I

[56:36] think Ben did a good job to explain why

[56:38] all of that equipment was necessary for

[56:41] his department in roads. Um

[56:45] the one thing with that with it being

[56:48] the restricted fund is we report every

[56:50] year in our audit that we have those

[56:53] funds and they're restricted or we

[56:55] report that we've used those funds for

[56:57] qualifying events. And so we can't even

[57:00] really truly borrow from the road fund

[57:03] solely because at that year end you have

[57:06] to show that you still have that same

[57:08] amount of money restricted or have spent

[57:10] on a qualifying fund. So we couldn't

[57:12] even say well we're going to borrow from

[57:14] the roads fund for a couple of years and

[57:17] then pay it back. You can't. It has to

[57:20] be within you within that same year you

[57:22] have to show that you have 4.7 million

[57:25] or whatever our number is at that point

[57:27] restricted for this. So you you can't

[57:29] just use it to help you float cash from

[57:31] year to year. The state looks at that

[57:33] every year with our audit. So

[57:36] >> thank you.

[57:38] >> Anything else?

[57:38] >> Does anybody have any questions for

[57:39] Aspen and the financial side of this?

[57:42] >> I do. So if we use this 3 million, which

[57:45] is a lot of money, we're still having

[57:46] enough money for other things, right?

[57:48] We're not going to like be draining our

[57:49] account. today something else.

[57:51] >> There'll still be 1.7 sitting in the

[57:54] PTIF and that's separate from um you

[57:57] know where we're Yeah. So there would

[57:59] still be

[58:02] >> every year usually

[58:03] >> about 1.3 million every year. And the

[58:07] way it's been used before is the city

[58:09] went out and contracted with outside

[58:12] contractors, sorry, to come and do this

[58:15] maintenance for us. And this way we'll

[58:17] be able to do it in house.

[58:20] because we did we didn't have the

[58:21] equipment.

[58:25] » So, in essence, we're going to get far

[58:27] more miles repaired or maintained or

[58:30] created as opposed to the contracted

[58:33] price, which it looked to me about three

[58:36] times higher than doing it yourself.

[58:38] >> Yes.

[58:38] >> And some some things will have to be

[58:40] contracted just because of

[58:43] >> equipment. We can't buy every piece of

[58:45] equipment for something that we need.

[58:47] It's the right tool for the right road

[58:49] at the right time, right? It's the same.

[58:51] There may be some services that we need

[58:52] to rent a piece of equipment for to for

[58:54] our crews to do as far as applications

[58:57] um outside of what we're buying, but and

[59:00] then sometimes just because of workload,

[59:02] we may have to have somebody come and

[59:04] help us do certain things. Hopefully, we

[59:06] can try to tackle most of that. That's

[59:08] my my goal, but it it may be an

[59:12] inevitable that that's why we'll have

[59:14] some contingency for that. My goal is to

[59:17] try to trim that down dramatically.

[59:22] [clears throat]

[59:28] » Christie, could I could I ask you a

[59:30] question?

[59:31] >> Um, do you feel like that we've

[59:34] underutilized this fund over the last

[59:36] few years and and not done more with it?

[59:39] seems like I mean it's obvious we

[59:41] have $4.7 million in that fund and maybe

[59:44] we've done all that we can do

[59:49] but could we have done more? I guess I

[59:52] want to say

[59:52] >> um we didn't have the expertise with

[59:55] that we have with Ben now that for

[59:58] knowing what to do and how to do it

[1:00:00] either. So we didn't have the equipment,

[1:00:02] the manpower or the expertise. So again,

[1:00:05] we were given an amount and we would go

[1:00:08] out to bid and we would say we think we

[1:00:11] should do this much road or what to do

[1:00:13] with it and did it to the best that we

[1:00:16] could with that amount of money each

[1:00:17] year. So,

[1:00:19] >> but contracted out

[1:00:23] >> and I mean yes it's a big investment but

[1:00:26] um would you say what's the us doing it

[1:00:30] ourselves and having the expertise here

[1:00:33] with us which I think is great that

[1:00:36] we've got Ben on board. Um

[1:00:39] what do you think the I mean we saw a

[1:00:41] lot of savings a lot of numbers up

[1:00:42] there. So, is hiring a contractor three

[1:00:46] times more expensive, five times more

[1:00:48] expensive? I mean, what's your what's

[1:00:50] your thought on?

[1:00:51] >> Like Ben said, there's some things we

[1:00:52] don't have the equipment to do. To do a

[1:00:54] full reconstruction, we don't have the

[1:00:57] ability to do it. It would cost us way

[1:01:00] too much time to do it. Even with

[1:01:02] renting the equipment, but being able to

[1:01:05] crack seal ourself is at least three

[1:01:07] times savings.

[1:01:14] And when it's not done, you just

[1:01:18] shorten the lifespan of that roadway

[1:01:20] specific.

[1:01:20] >> Yeah. Just like we learned last night,

[1:01:22] we build a road to last 20 years, but if

[1:01:25] it's preserved by crack, sill, fog,

[1:01:28] slurry, those things, then it can be

[1:01:31] indefinite depending on the traffic. Of

[1:01:33] course, roads can break down if they're

[1:01:35] not built to the um level of use, but we

[1:01:40] can get a lot further on our residential

[1:01:43] roads.

[1:01:45] >> Let me ask you a specific road and

[1:01:47] whether or not we could do it. South

[1:01:49] Street,

[1:01:50] >> dirt road.

[1:01:50] >> Yes. So,

[1:01:52] >> is that something that

[1:01:53] >> with this equipment we could do South

[1:01:54] Street ourselves?

[1:01:57] >> So, he a year ago because that would

[1:01:59] have been a great bypass.

[1:02:00] >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.

[1:02:02] You're fine to come back up, buddy.

[1:02:05] >> Yeah, that that would be really the

[1:02:07] perfect road for the zipper. Go in

[1:02:09] there, reclaim all that, bring in some

[1:02:11] fresh stuff as well, get it all blended

[1:02:13] in there very well, and then you can do

[1:02:15] a double chip and end up with that

[1:02:16] picture that I showed you from Lee

[1:02:18] County. So, that's one version. Or you

[1:02:21] could spend the money to pave it. That

[1:02:23] chipping it with a double chip is far

[1:02:25] less money to do costwise than it is to

[1:02:29] do uh overlay. So, and it'll buy you you

[1:02:33] a good double chip road should last you

[1:02:36] minimum 10 years with another

[1:02:38] application of chip within that 7 to 10

[1:02:41] year mark. So, there's there's this

[1:02:43] technic curve. I may be using the wrong

[1:02:46] language, but there's a curve in the in

[1:02:48] our in our industry that shows new

[1:02:51] pavement from the time it's installed

[1:02:52] and it dra drastically starts dropping

[1:02:54] over 20 years. So you with the

[1:02:57] three-legged stool system at seven five

[1:03:00] to seven years you do your first

[1:03:01] application of some seal coat and you

[1:03:04] keep doing chip seal you might do an

[1:03:06] overlay or you might do a mill and fill

[1:03:08] at some point you can stretch you can

[1:03:10] and he mentioned that last night in the

[1:03:12] transportation that you can extend by

[1:03:15] bunny hopping that out there on that

[1:03:17] curve to you can make roads last 40

[1:03:19] years initially by doing that between

[1:03:23] five to sevenyear treatments every and extend the life of that pavement,

[1:03:28] >> which is what you're proposing here

[1:03:30] >> with all that equipment.

[1:03:32] >> We run through it every five years.

[1:03:33] >> And I've got the water truck. I found a

[1:03:34] water truck. I put 150. I did find a

[1:03:37] water truck here locally. It's the only

[1:03:39] one in the state of Utah. Everything

[1:03:41] else that I found is California,

[1:03:43] Arizona. There's a lot of these little

[1:03:45] 2,000galon trucks out there, but Kate

[1:03:47] Equipment has one and they've given us a

[1:03:50] price of 59,000. So I told him, try to

[1:03:53] hold it for me. I couldn't get him to

[1:03:54] commit, but that is possibly available

[1:03:57] at a much lesser cost than that. So, and

[1:04:00] I did the assumptive shipping because

[1:04:02] all pieces of equipment when I bought

[1:04:04] that uh chip truck in Duchen County, I

[1:04:08] negotiated Secier to pay for our flight

[1:04:12] out to South Carolina and all of our

[1:04:14] hotel stays and fuel to drive it back

[1:04:17] and it saved

[1:04:19] like $30,000 and they paid for the whole

[1:04:22] thing. I'm not proposing that, but

[1:04:24] that's just some of the things that we

[1:04:26] can negotiate.

[1:04:28] >> Um,

[1:04:30] don't take this the wrong way. You're no

[1:04:32] spring chicken. So, I'm [laughter] just

[1:04:33] thinking in my mind, here we're here we

[1:04:36] are.

[1:04:36] >> My hair doesn't give me away, does it?

[1:04:38] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[1:04:40] So, here we invest $3 million in all

[1:04:42] this equipment and we have the the

[1:04:45] knowhow, the expertise. You're training

[1:04:47] individuals.

[1:04:49] Um, [snorts] I'm just thinking of

[1:04:50] contingency plans on individuals, you

[1:04:54] know, having opportunity to rise up and

[1:04:56] Yep.

[1:04:56] >> and and take those positions.

[1:04:58] >> I'm big on planning for succession.

[1:05:01] >> I train my guys for that. So, Duchain

[1:05:04] County, two of my guys that were under

[1:05:06] me are now leading that group that were

[1:05:09] under me under my succession plan. So, I

[1:05:12] do,

[1:05:14] you know, things change, life changes.

[1:05:16] It's nothing's solid anymore. So

[1:05:20] >> we do have the lead over tomorrow lead

[1:05:22] position where

[1:05:24] >> we do have the but I do plan for

[1:05:26] position open right now and if this

[1:05:29] passes tonight that's where we're going

[1:05:30] to go after and find um that replacement

[1:05:33] option in that person.

[1:05:36] >> Do the wages um ask this question for

[1:05:39] you. Do the wages for this part of the

[1:05:42] public works department, do they come

[1:05:43] out of the class C fund

[1:05:45] >> or does that come out of a different

[1:05:47] >> Yeah. So it it does get messy once we

[1:05:50] start talking about wages because it

[1:05:52] does have to be tied to a roads job

[1:05:56] specifically that they're working on. So

[1:05:58] like um we can so ultimately the guys

[1:06:01] will be set up to be paid out of streets

[1:06:03] instead. And then what we will do is

[1:06:06] monthly or quarterly we can go through

[1:06:09] and we'll basically audit our guys and

[1:06:12] what work they've been doing so we can

[1:06:14] have the backup support that we need to

[1:06:16] then say okay classy road fund can

[1:06:19] transfer into streets for x amount of

[1:06:22] dollars because that was how much work

[1:06:23] qualified for these guys. So like right

[1:06:26] now most of what I mean Ben is pretty I

[1:06:30] drive home and Ben's filling a pothole

[1:06:31] right? So like Ben even qualifies under

[1:06:34] the class cuz that's like he's out there

[1:06:36] actually maintaining our roads which

[1:06:38] does qualify. So it's because it's no

[1:06:40] different than paying a contractor. It's

[1:06:42] just we're paying Ben.

[1:06:47] » My goal is to be here

[1:06:49] as long as I can till I till I retire.

[1:06:51] But I'm here as long as need be. Long as

[1:06:54] you guys accept me, I'm here. So

[1:06:57] >> right.

[1:06:59] >> Well, Ben, we're glad you are here.

[1:07:00] Honestly, I think infrastructure is one

[1:07:02] of the areas that we've lacked on and

[1:07:06] you see that as you as you drive around

[1:07:08] and how we take care of what we have and

[1:07:10] doing a better job at that. I I have a

[1:07:12] couple of questions. One of them is

[1:07:14] really more

[1:07:17] regarding uh other individuals that tie

[1:07:20] into our road systems and establishing

[1:07:23] and and maybe we have this already

[1:07:26] entirely and I'm and I'm just unaware of

[1:07:28] it, but establishing a standard for any

[1:07:31] tie-ins into our roadways, you know,

[1:07:33] that they that they have to mill and do

[1:07:36] it right. we're not just getting a

[1:07:38] little trench in there that settles and

[1:07:40] then we have a a jump that everybody

[1:07:43] gets to break their tires through. Um, I

[1:07:47] think establishing a standard and and in

[1:07:50] what we expect as a city is one of the

[1:07:52] things I know this is kind of off. The

[1:07:54] other the other thing that I'm I'm

[1:07:56] struggling with in my mind is is we it

[1:07:59] feels like the last few weeks we've made

[1:08:02] some pretty significant financial

[1:08:04] decisions as a city, as a council. And

[1:08:07] um I just want to ensure you know if we

[1:08:09] have four 4.7 that we're working with

[1:08:12] and we spend three of that on equipment,

[1:08:14] we really only have one point for

[1:08:16] materials or um to be I would I would

[1:08:19] like to look at this and and if and if

[1:08:22] this is the worst case scenario and we

[1:08:23] come through this I mean there are other ways we can get

[1:08:29] equipment you know we get used um I

[1:08:32] don't know crack seal machine and mastic

[1:08:35] trailer or if those are equipment you

[1:08:37] want to buy used because you end up

[1:08:39] maintaining it more than right. So I

[1:08:42] think those make sense. Um but as we

[1:08:45] look at I just want to ensure that we

[1:08:47] have frugality in our decision making

[1:08:52] um in that in that process. It would be

[1:08:55] nice to say, look, we spent $2 million

[1:08:57] worth of equipment and we were able to

[1:08:59] use $2 million worth of class C funds to do the roadway you were just

[1:09:04] referring to and maybe maybe another um

[1:09:07] >> multiple roadways miles.

[1:09:09] >> So to try to get the most for our money.

[1:09:11] That is my biggest that is my biggest

[1:09:13] concern right now. Totally understand.

[1:09:15] >> So and but there is a need for it. Um

[1:09:20] I'm I'm I'm glad we have looked and

[1:09:22] addressed the rows. We've classified

[1:09:24] them in

[1:09:26] >> where where they need repair and and

[1:09:29] then we start prioritizing how we

[1:09:32] >> little bit

[1:09:33] >> how we attack it, right? And and just

[1:09:36] hasn't been done before now. So, like I

[1:09:38] said, grateful you're here. Um,

[1:09:41] appreciate the time and effort into the

[1:09:43] presentation. My main concern was just

[1:09:46] getting the most for our dollar.

[1:09:47] >> Be assured that I will be finding and

[1:09:49] searching out the best deals I can find.

[1:09:51] used, new, demo, whatever it takes. Um,

[1:09:54] I will thoroughly vet that that piece of

[1:09:57] equipment that I'm looking at to

[1:09:59] possibly buy used is topnotch. We'll run it through our mechanic. I

[1:10:04] have a lot of mechanical experience

[1:10:05] myself. Bought a lot of equipment over

[1:10:07] the years. Um, I I have a lot of

[1:10:10] connections, so I would use every

[1:10:12] available contact that I can use to try

[1:10:16] to minimize. I just use worst case

[1:10:18] scenario numbers because it's always

[1:10:20] better to use that than try to tell you

[1:10:23] that I used a lower number and then come

[1:10:24] back and ask for more money. So

[1:10:26] >> yeah, I mean you quoted a water truck

[1:10:27] 100 less than what you specified here.

[1:10:30] >> We buy two pickups for 50 versus I think

[1:10:33] I put them in there for

[1:10:34] >> 80.

[1:10:35] >> Yeah. 160. So

[1:10:39] there's there's a couple hundred

[1:10:40] thousand in savings right there.

[1:10:47] » [clears throat]

[1:10:47] >> Um, do we have the current manpower to

[1:10:50] run all this equipment? Are we going

[1:10:51] have to hire more? I know we talked

[1:10:52] about we've got one opening. We're going

[1:10:55] to need to hire more. If so, how many?

[1:10:57] >> No, I think if we just pan if we just

[1:10:59] plan it out properly and you utilize,

[1:11:03] you know, certain months to do the

[1:11:05] things that we can do like crackill in

[1:11:07] the winter time or or when we have

[1:11:09] colder mastic can be put down any time

[1:11:11] of the year. try not to do it when it's

[1:11:13] super hot. But so you just it's just a

[1:11:16] matter of me planning the proper

[1:11:19] attack method to go do that. Um 20 miles

[1:11:22] of doing a if we do 20 miles of chip

[1:11:24] ceiling, I could probably two weeks if

[1:11:27] we have everything lined out properly,

[1:11:29] we could do that within a twoe period

[1:11:31] every year. So really it looks scary as

[1:11:34] far as trying to plan it. But and then

[1:11:36] there's always other things that get in

[1:11:38] the way, right? There's special

[1:11:39] interests. there's things that we need

[1:11:40] to do for the rodeo or this or that, but

[1:11:42] it's I work personally I work every

[1:11:46] extra second with my crews bouncing back

[1:11:49] and forth. Um, we tackled one of the

[1:11:52] very first things I tackled when I came

[1:11:54] here was the disc golf baskets that were

[1:11:57] sitting in the yard for about a year or

[1:11:58] so and we've got those baskets

[1:12:00] installed. So, we're about 50% done with

[1:12:03] that disc golf park at this point and

[1:12:06] that's just working extra time when

[1:12:08] we've got it. So, it's just a matter of

[1:12:09] planning and processing that stuff and

[1:12:11] getting it done right.

[1:12:12] >> But I think if we do need some more, I

[1:12:15] think we I would like to look at the

[1:12:16] option of getting like summer hires

[1:12:18] during the summer period, getting more

[1:12:20] opportunity for our youth to have those

[1:12:22] jobs during that time period because

[1:12:24] they'll be good at flaggers and shoving

[1:12:26] the rock and sweeping up the rock and

[1:12:28] stuff like that. So, that could fall

[1:12:30] under that and that's not a significant

[1:12:32] lift to get a lot of um summer hires.

[1:12:35] >> Yeah. And I have a belief in the road

[1:12:36] department, you're always 10 guys short.

[1:12:38] It doesn't matter how big your crew is.

[1:12:40] I've managed as many as 50 people and

[1:12:41] I'm always 10 guys short. So we just do

[1:12:44] what we need to do.

[1:12:46] >> Um on these RO ROIs you've got um those

[1:12:51] true RO ROIs because they didn't there

[1:12:53] was nothing in there about fuel

[1:12:55] maintenance, insurance, depreciation,

[1:12:58] any of that stuff. So, I just didn't

[1:12:59] know if you took that into account on

[1:13:00] these or

[1:13:01] >> just basically went through the cost,

[1:13:03] you know, appreciate or depreciation

[1:13:06] when you start looking at it, you maybe

[1:13:08] 10% goes into replacement per year. So,

[1:13:11] if you want to do a 10-year cycle, it's

[1:13:14] like that for instance, the chip truck.

[1:13:15] I I I can see with a small town that we

[1:13:18] have and the ability to grow like we are

[1:13:21] that the chip truck could be here for 20

[1:13:23] years. So you can cut that down instead

[1:13:26] of 10,000 a month or 10,000 a year for

[1:13:30] replacement, you can cut that down to

[1:13:31] like 5,000. So in that assumptive, so we

[1:13:35] run everything off of FEMA in our in our

[1:13:38] uh

[1:13:39] I works. So FEMA drives what we can

[1:13:42] charge hourly to a municipality. We

[1:13:45] don't use we don't compete against the

[1:13:48] market. So FEMA rates assume labor,

[1:13:52] maintenance, all of that stuff as we put

[1:13:55] our time into our eyeworks every day

[1:13:58] that those numbers are in there for the

[1:14:00] equipment. So that gives us a little bit

[1:14:01] better idea of what and I I didn't I

[1:14:03] apologize I didn't pull those numbers.

[1:14:05] So but they're there in I work so we

[1:14:08] could do that but all those numbers like

[1:14:11] for instance I think our dump truck PS

[1:14:13] for about 120 an hour under fummer rate.

[1:14:16] So that is assumption of labor cost of

[1:14:21] maintaining it and other other things to

[1:14:23] go with depreciation.

[1:14:25] >> That's accurate.

[1:14:27] >> Um

[1:14:29] with Jake with the

[1:14:31] you know the the optics of we just spent

[1:14:34] all this money and I know they're

[1:14:35] different funds and I kind of went

[1:14:37] through I'm not an expert but I kind of

[1:14:39] looked through here. There was a lot of

[1:14:40] the things on here. I mean, a 30 ton

[1:14:44] trailer. I mean, is that do we really

[1:14:45] need need that? Um, the skid steer looks

[1:14:49] like it's top of the line. It's got

[1:14:50] climate control. I mean, there I think

[1:14:52] there's some things that we might we

[1:14:54] don't need to go to the top line of. We

[1:14:56] can maybe get some things for less to

[1:15:00] um,

[1:15:01] you know, save some money for supplies

[1:15:04] or or road different things that we

[1:15:06] need. Um, so I appreciate you looking at

[1:15:09] the truck and the water truck getting

[1:15:10] those down, but I I think we should look

[1:15:12] at I mean that 30 ton trailer. I don't

[1:15:16] >> What equipment do we need for

[1:15:18] >> Well, if you're driving out to like

[1:15:20] what's the farthest like sheep lane?

[1:15:22] >> Sheep lane.

[1:15:23] >> You going to drive the skidster out

[1:15:25] there or like the your back hose and

[1:15:27] everything like that along 138. Everyone

[1:15:29] complains about or 112 the back hose.

[1:15:32] Are we going to drive them all the way

[1:15:33] out there on that regard? Everyone

[1:15:35] complains about how slow they go and so

[1:15:36] it's not safe to do that. And so putting

[1:15:38] them on a trailer like this will make it

[1:15:40] safe for that the road crew to do that.

[1:15:43] >> Well, and also the wear and tear on the

[1:15:44] machines to drive them.

[1:15:47] >> Let's just say we're building South

[1:15:48] Street because that example's been used.

[1:15:51] Um even to go from the public works

[1:15:53] building to South Street back and forth

[1:15:55] every day is

[1:15:57] that's putting quite a few

[1:15:59] >> I'm not saying we don't need a trailer.

[1:16:00] I'm just saying it's 30 town. is that

[1:16:03] >> we went yeah I went to the highest

[1:16:04] because we don't know what we're going

[1:16:05] to add in the future you know future we

[1:16:08] may need a track and we get into a 320

[1:16:10] or 318 or something then you're going to

[1:16:12] need a trailer like that so if we have

[1:16:14] one we why we got the money to spend it

[1:16:17] unfortunately it's that type of

[1:16:19] situation for me I'm not not saying that

[1:16:21] I'm spending wildly but I just look at

[1:16:24] the future very similar to the traffic

[1:16:26] management plan we are we will need

[1:16:29] right now we rely on the county to come

[1:16:30] and take their track goes in. That will

[1:16:33] be a future expense for any

[1:16:35] municipality. It's just a must for

[1:16:37] drainage and it just gives you the

[1:16:40] ability to haul much more equipment.

[1:16:42] Even if we go out and lease something,

[1:16:44] we don't have to pay the cost of having

[1:16:47] somebody to truck that to us, which is

[1:16:48] extremely high right now. You know, a

[1:16:51] trip from Salt Lake for them to road one

[1:16:53] way is typically between $800 and $1,500

[1:16:56] one way to mob. So that's a $3,000

[1:17:00] expense if you have to rent something.

[1:17:02] So it gives us the ability to haul more.

[1:17:05] So as far as the skid steer, yes, you

[1:17:09] can buy cheaper skid steers. Um

[1:17:12] Caterpillar has this grater and this

[1:17:15] greater blade. That's why they

[1:17:16] recommended to me the the 275 because it

[1:17:19] has all the capabilities to run those.

[1:17:22] systems don't integrate with it's

[1:17:24] a CAT piece of equipment. will not

[1:17:27] integrate with a K Cabota. It won't it

[1:17:30] won't plug and play. We have that

[1:17:32] problem right now with Bobcat that we

[1:17:34] have. Somebody took an older piece of

[1:17:37] equipment that we had and tried to one

[1:17:39] of our mechanics or whoever it was tried

[1:17:41] to integrate the plugs to run a piece of

[1:17:43] equipment that was not a Bobcat piece of

[1:17:45] equipment and now we have that Bobcat

[1:17:47] down more than we have it operable

[1:17:50] because somebody messed with the wiring

[1:17:52] and it's caused a lot of problems with

[1:17:54] the computer. that particular skid

[1:17:56] steer. We were trying to use it out here

[1:17:58] at the rodeo grounds. It's it's gone

[1:18:00] down on us about four or five times

[1:18:01] because it's got an electrical issue.

[1:18:03] So, you have to be very careful about

[1:18:05] thinking that I need to go buy a K

[1:18:08] Cabota. All those quotes from

[1:18:11] Caterpillar onstate contract, so they're

[1:18:13] already negotiated and to the lowest

[1:18:15] ability. And I just feel like you don't

[1:18:18] want to be crosssectioning

[1:18:20] CAT material with something else. And

[1:18:22] there's not a lot of those greater

[1:18:23] blades out there currently for some of

[1:18:26] the other manufacturers with that in

[1:18:28] with that integration. So,

[1:18:30] >> and I do want to point out that Ben has

[1:18:32] done a fabulous job as far as being

[1:18:35] fiscally responsible and following

[1:18:36] purchasing policies. Like he's found

[1:18:38] items that are on state contract, which

[1:18:40] we encourage. That's the lowest

[1:18:42] negotiated rate you can get. That's why

[1:18:44] they're on state contract. um in

[1:18:47] collecting several bids. He h it's not

[1:18:49] like he just went and picked that's the

[1:18:50] one I want and has no justification for

[1:18:53] it. He has done expensive he has spent

[1:18:56] extensive amounts of time gathering the

[1:18:58] necessary bids or making the calls to

[1:19:00] get the state contracted price. So I

[1:19:03] just want to give Ben credit there

[1:19:05] because he has done a lot of work to try

[1:19:07] to get the most fiscally responsible

[1:19:09] option.

[1:19:14] Do we have a place to store all this?

[1:19:17] >> It's going to be a challenge, but

[1:19:20] I've driven by it a lot, so I'm just

[1:19:22] curious.

[1:19:25] >> We We don't have a locked place to store

[1:19:28] this.

[1:19:29] Okay,

[1:19:34] » I guess the next question that I had is does this equipment need to be

[1:19:39] >> collected together or is there a phase

[1:19:41] one and a phase two here that we see or

[1:19:43] a phase partial phase this year, second

[1:19:46] phase next year? Does it need to kind of

[1:19:48] I mean I'm talking logistically what you

[1:19:50] need to do it. Um

[1:19:52] >> really the the mastic and the crack seal

[1:19:54] trader would like to probably put those

[1:19:56] on board as soon as possible, but a lot

[1:19:58] of these things are not going to be like

[1:19:59] more than half of them are they're going

[1:20:01] to have to be built. So they're out

[1:20:03] there three to six months depending on

[1:20:05] the truck. The dump truck is probably 90

[1:20:08] days to or so out. By the time we bring

[1:20:10] it back and retrofit it could be 120. So

[1:20:13] a lot of this equipment is going to

[1:20:14] stack out there. The chip seal truck is

[1:20:17] available now as I told me, but that

[1:20:20] doesn't mean we have to buy that truck

[1:20:22] today, right? Um, but it's available.

[1:20:24] So, it's just a matter of how we want to

[1:20:27] stack that and what we need right now to

[1:20:30] keep our crews busy, make things happen,

[1:20:33] and start taking those bites out of the

[1:20:34] settlement that we have. So,

[1:20:38] we can stage that any way the council

[1:20:42] sees fit. You know,

[1:20:44] >> I I had another question on the class C

[1:20:48] funds. Um

[1:20:51] I just wanted to clarify for the public.

[1:20:54] Can we kind of can we go through how

[1:20:56] that how those funds come in

[1:20:58] specifically where we get them from, how

[1:21:00] they're just maybe

[1:21:02] >> Yeah.

[1:21:03] >> the definition of them.

[1:21:04] >> Uh yeah,

[1:21:05] >> we hear them a lot. I just

[1:21:07] >> Yeah. So it, like I had mentioned

[1:21:08] before, it's based on our fuel tax that

[1:21:10] everyone pays when they fuel up. The

[1:21:12] state collects everything and then

[1:21:14] distributes them across the state based

[1:21:16] on our mileage and our population. Um,

[1:21:20] >> yeah, the um,

[1:21:21] >> can I interrupt for one second, Aspen?

[1:21:24] >> Last night when we were hearing the road

[1:21:27] transportation plan, they said they had

[1:21:29] updated all the miles of roads and

[1:21:31] turned that into UD do or the state.

[1:21:34] >> They turned it to us and we submitted

[1:21:35] that to the state. We So was that number

[1:21:38] up to the point that we will get an

[1:21:40] increased number of

[1:21:42] >> dollars already? It was only three more

[1:21:44] miles from the last time we submitted.

[1:21:46] >> Okay. So not a substantial difference. I

[1:21:48] just had that question last night. Okay.

[1:21:50] >> But that is something that uh Christie

[1:21:52] submits every year as far as our road

[1:21:54] mileage goes to report that because

[1:21:55] that's on us to keep that up to date. So

[1:21:58] that is something that she updates every

[1:22:00] year. Um the population is actually

[1:22:02] based the state passed the legislation a

[1:22:04] couple years ago and they do the state

[1:22:06] through an extensive process that also

[1:22:08] is used for a sales tax but regardless

[1:22:11] that's how it's calculated. Um but so as

[1:22:15] far as it's collected also on our

[1:22:18] financials on the that packet that you

[1:22:20] guys get. So what's sitting in the PTI

[1:22:22] is there from previous years but you can

[1:22:25] see on page

[1:22:29] four under interlocal agreement we have

[1:22:31] our class C road fund aotment and you

[1:22:33] can actually see as that money is coming

[1:22:35] in to our

[1:22:38] like is being distributed from the state

[1:22:40] to us throughout the year. Um, and just

[1:22:43] based on this year's budget that was

[1:22:46] approved for class C roads, I mean 1.3

[1:22:50] million was approved for spending this

[1:22:51] year um, in the budget that to be sure

[1:22:54] hasn't been spent, but that was the

[1:22:55] working budget that was approved by last

[1:22:57] year's council for this fiscal year's

[1:22:58] operating budget for class C funds. So,

[1:23:01] um, it was budgeted to spend most of

[1:23:04] what would have been collected this year

[1:23:06] in the aotment that we would receive by

[1:23:09] the state. But yeah, it just comes out

[1:23:11] throughout the year and you guys get an

[1:23:13] updated copy of this every month that

[1:23:15] you guys can watch that climb. But

[1:23:16] >> and our goal is in this new budget year

[1:23:18] is to plan for replacement, start using

[1:23:21] that funds to buy the crack, sell the

[1:23:22] material to to actually use this on the

[1:23:26] roads going forward because it's in that

[1:23:28] way is not a lot of that doesn't go to

[1:23:30] the contractor's fee and different

[1:23:31] things like that. It'll go directly to

[1:23:33] our roads themselves. Again, I've been

[1:23:36] working with Aspen to create some new

[1:23:38] budget line items for some of the

[1:23:40] numbers that I've assumptive ran that we

[1:23:43] would be using for cracks and chips and

[1:23:46] asked, we should create line items for

[1:23:49] those so we know what we've got to

[1:23:50] spend. Some of those we're probably

[1:23:52] going to depending on the year, weather,

[1:23:55] whatever, we may have to flow one to the

[1:23:58] other to get it to work, right? It's

[1:24:00] always a it's it's it's a it's a moving

[1:24:03] target all the time with the with the

[1:24:05] funds, but I assure you that I'm real

[1:24:08] spot on about trying to keep my budget

[1:24:11] under control. I don't like to I've

[1:24:14] never in [snorts] my tenure, I've never

[1:24:16] gone over budget ever. So,

[1:24:24] I have just two more questions. When um

[1:24:30] uh when do we get the class C road fund

[1:24:33] um from the state? What do we get it in

[1:24:37] July throughout the year?

[1:24:38] >> Yeah, it's throughout the year. So, it's

[1:24:40] not like we don't get 1.3 million. It

[1:24:42] trickles in.

[1:24:43] >> Yeah. So, it's typically uh as Ben

[1:24:45] stated, it's typically [clears throat] a

[1:24:46] quarterly payment that we receive every

[1:24:48] quarter, just throughout the year as our

[1:24:50] years go on. Um, one thing to keep in

[1:24:52] mind is with potential income mean

[1:24:56] annexations or something that would

[1:24:58] increase the mileage of roads. So, we

[1:25:00] would be receiving a larger loan.

[1:25:04] » Then my my last question is that's once

[1:25:08] again to do with just the equipment

[1:25:09] costs. Um, if we do approve this

[1:25:11] tonight, can we get a reporting back and

[1:25:15] accountability of what was purchased?

[1:25:18] Um, I I'm assuming that, you know, with this resolution passing that we're

[1:25:24] giving you the green light to be able to

[1:25:25] purchase what you need, but we'd like um

[1:25:28] kind of a return and report

[1:25:30] accountability of what were we able to

[1:25:32] get certain things for. Let's say you do

[1:25:35] find a street sweeper, you know, that's used in the market and it's

[1:25:40] $250,000 rather than half a million.

[1:25:43] >> Um, which would make more sense to me.

[1:25:46] Um, and you're able to come back and

[1:25:48] say, "Okay, well, you know, this is what

[1:25:50] I did with those funds and those

[1:25:51] monies." And report back to the council.

[1:25:53] >> Yep. That'll be through as well as

[1:25:55] through PO systems. We can report that

[1:25:57] back to you however.

[1:25:58] >> Yeah.

[1:25:59] >> As things are purchased,

[1:26:00] >> Yeah.

[1:26:01] >> we would we'd like to have you I would

[1:26:03] like to have you come back.

[1:26:04] >> We can do that.

[1:26:05] >> And report back to us. No problem.

[1:26:08] I think maybe even a report of uh what

[1:26:10] projects have been completed along with

[1:26:13] the purchases that have been made and

[1:26:14] how that

[1:26:15] >> how many miles of roads.

[1:26:16] >> Yes. How many miles of road were

[1:26:18] repaired so that we they did not have to

[1:26:20] be replaced and what we say what we

[1:26:23] estimate that we saved as opposed to

[1:26:26] having a contractor do that same work.

[1:26:28] >> Right. And right now we've done 24 just

[1:26:31] over 24 miles of Crackill for the 26

[1:26:35] year. So that that was a big deal.

[1:26:40] [clears throat]

[1:26:40] >> Ben and Christie, is there this is just

[1:26:44] an observation, but I know we've been in

[1:26:47] South Willow Estates fixing a relatively

[1:26:50] new road that wasn't done right. You

[1:26:52] showed a picture of Anderson Ranch.

[1:26:55] That's the road looked terrible. And

[1:26:57] that's one of our newer subdivisions.

[1:27:00] >> That's 20 years old.

[1:27:01] >> Anderson Ranch is 20 years old.

[1:27:03] >> Yes.

[1:27:03] >> Is it really old? It's never been

[1:27:05] cracked. [laughter]

[1:27:07] >> It's never had a crack at all.

[1:27:08] >> Just shut one. Phase one is 20 years.

[1:27:12] Maybe

[1:27:13] >> where they were is was still part of

[1:27:14] phase one where they were on saddle

[1:27:16] road. That's phase two.

[1:27:18] >> I just want to make sure our underlying

[1:27:21] um

[1:27:22] quality is

[1:27:25] that we're inspecting our roads that our

[1:27:27] quality is better than ever.

[1:27:30] what we're getting out of contractors

[1:27:33] in the initial input of a road or stall

[1:27:36] road.

[1:27:37] >> No, Gransville's come a long way from

[1:27:39] when I first started. We now have two

[1:27:41] infrastructure inspectors plus Barry

[1:27:43] that is here to help us. So, our roads

[1:27:46] are getting inspected more than they

[1:27:48] were when I first started.

[1:27:50] >> Uh South Willow, you mentioned South

[1:27:52] Willow has multiple problems. One of its

[1:27:54] biggest problems is the way the water

[1:27:56] lines were put in. It's our water lines

[1:27:57] that are breaking. They're making us

[1:27:59] continually cut into that road. So, at

[1:28:02] some point, all of South Willow will

[1:28:04] need to be reconstructed,

[1:28:07] but not yet. So,

[1:28:09] >> keep this in mind, though, for when she

[1:28:11] comes back for a while. [laughter]

[1:28:15] » And right now, we'll just kind of attack

[1:28:17] South Willow with trying to patch what's

[1:28:20] there, fix what we can. I don't

[1:28:23] recommend we tear unless we've got the

[1:28:25] funds to work into utilities because the

[1:28:28] rule of thumb in municipalities it is is

[1:28:31] [snorts] any road without a any

[1:28:33] utilities is always a million dollars a

[1:28:34] mile to to reconstruct. You start

[1:28:37] putting utilities into it. It's get

[1:28:39] takes a drastic jump to over four

[1:28:41] million per mile. And you don't want to

[1:28:44] tear into a road just to go and do the

[1:28:46] road because you start that vibration

[1:28:50] and the creation of all the equipment

[1:28:51] going in there to tear that up. You're

[1:28:53] just putting more stress on your water

[1:28:55] system, your sewer system. So you it

[1:28:58] needs to kind of be planned out to where

[1:29:01] it's either done in phases, one section

[1:29:03] at a time. It's going to take time, but

[1:29:05] um my goal would be to let's get started

[1:29:08] somehow.

[1:29:10] Can you can you tell me what kind of

[1:29:12] warranty comes with some of these new

[1:29:14] equipment that we're getting?

[1:29:16] >> Generally, one year is most of most of

[1:29:18] the equipment unless the manufacturer

[1:29:20] like with a Seekmar truck. It's a

[1:29:22] Kenworth chassis. So, it would come with

[1:29:24] whatever Kenworth offers on their

[1:29:26] transmission. Sometimes it's four, you

[1:29:28] know, three or 36 extended on some of

[1:29:30] that stuff. It really depends on each

[1:29:32] individual piece of equipment. If we buy

[1:29:34] it used, we get basically what we do.

[1:29:36] Some companies offer an extended

[1:29:39] warranty for that. So, um that's where I

[1:29:43] really go strongly on trying to put my

[1:29:45] hands on what I'm looking at use to make

[1:29:47] sure that um we're not buying something

[1:29:50] that's been just shredded. So,

[1:30:00] one last question I think I've got and

[1:30:04] whoever aspen probably. So, do we have

[1:30:06] to go out and and purchase this

[1:30:09] equipment from the government contracts

[1:30:12] already negotiated or can we go out and

[1:30:14] find our own equipment that may be

[1:30:16] cheaper somewhere else? What's that

[1:30:18] process?

[1:30:18] >> Yeah, absolutely. And Ben's worked on

[1:30:20] that, but the government contract that I

[1:30:22] mentioned earlier, there's various

[1:30:24] companies for anything you can think of

[1:30:27] that's contracted with the state um

[1:30:29] through uh UP3. it's their state

[1:30:31] contract um that is companies trying to

[1:30:35] get in the good graces to have low rates

[1:30:38] to get more business from

[1:30:40] municipalities. So you can absolutely go

[1:30:42] out and

[1:30:44] like you know bargain or negotiate other

[1:30:47] deals elsewhere. You don't have to use

[1:30:48] state contract. Um, we do steer towards

[1:30:51] state contract because typically that is

[1:30:53] the lowest price, but you can absolutely

[1:30:55] spend time and effort in looking for at

[1:30:57] other avenues and you may find a cheaper

[1:30:59] option which would be great, but state

[1:31:03] contract is typically already that

[1:31:04] lowest negotiated price that you're

[1:31:06] going to be able to find in the state.

[1:31:08] So,

[1:31:08] >> I do encourage that we use someone

[1:31:11] that's reputable and is going to stand

[1:31:14] behind their equipment. You mentioned

[1:31:15] CAT. I agree with you. cat skidsters.

[1:31:18] They they sink after the dozers. Those

[1:31:21] are probably the most powerful minis

[1:31:24] skidsters that are out there. So, but

[1:31:27] they also have a parts department. They

[1:31:29] have they stand behind their stuff and

[1:31:31] if something goes down, they'll bring

[1:31:32] another piece of equipment out and drop

[1:31:34] it. And

[1:31:35] >> yes,

[1:31:35] >> so whoever we choose or the whatever

[1:31:37] direction we go, I just want to make

[1:31:39] sure that they stand behind what they're

[1:31:40] selling us. So,

[1:31:41] >> I can assure you that Seek Meer with the

[1:31:43] chip truck is they're spot on with their

[1:31:45] customer service. They're out here. If

[1:31:47] you have an issue, they're out. They

[1:31:48] send a guy from South Carolina. The

[1:31:51] company originates out of France and

[1:31:53] usually their their service techs are

[1:31:55] French and they come out and they are very stickler about making sure

[1:31:59] that their name stays where it's at. And

[1:32:03] they they own BowG. They're they own

[1:32:05] some of the largest companies in the

[1:32:07] United States. So,

[1:32:12] » and there's just not another

[1:32:14] manufacturer for that particular

[1:32:23] Any other discussion?

[1:32:28] Thank you Christie Ben Aspen for all the

[1:32:31] information. Done a great job of getting

[1:32:34] that all put together.

[1:32:42] Mayor, I make a motion that we approve

[1:32:44] resolution 2026-22

[1:32:47] approving the expenditure of class C

[1:32:48] road funds for the road department

[1:32:50] equipment.

[1:32:52] >> We have a motion by council member

[1:32:54] Butler. Is there a second?

[1:32:55] >> I'll second the motion.

[1:32:56] >> We have a second by council member

[1:32:58] Skinner. All in favor?

[1:33:00] >> I.

[1:33:02] >> Is that everybody?

[1:33:04] >> Nay.

[1:33:06] >> Roll call. Council member Butler,

[1:33:08] >> yay. [clears throat]

[1:33:10] >> Thomas,

[1:33:10] >> yay.

[1:33:11] >> Williams,

[1:33:12] >> yay.

[1:33:13] >> Skinner,

[1:33:14] >> yay.

[1:33:14] >> Dalton,

[1:33:15] >> nay.

[1:33:17] >> All right. Thank you very much.

[1:33:21] Uh, moving on to item number seven. This

[1:33:25] is also a public hearing item. uh

[1:33:27] discussion and consideration of

[1:33:28] ordinance 2026-16

[1:33:30] approving and adopting an updated

[1:33:33] annexation policy plan repealing and

[1:33:36] replacing the prior annexation policy

[1:33:38] plans and providing for an effective

[1:33:40] date

[1:33:41] and we have Bill here to talk about this

[1:33:44] and after the presentation um there will

[1:33:46] be a time for public comment if you

[1:33:48] would like to make is that true yes it

[1:33:51] is okay

[1:33:53] >> so we talked about this um a couple of

[1:33:55] meetings ago and we have since uh

[1:33:58] adjusted according to state codes

[1:34:00] noticing requirements and so uh that's

[1:34:03] why we're seeing it again tonight. Um I

[1:34:05] don't have much more to add to it. Um

[1:34:08] it's uh they're in front of you and so

[1:34:10] if you have any questions let me know.

[1:34:11] Otherwise uh you do have the planning

[1:34:13] commission recommendation for approval

[1:34:15] on this as well. So um we're uh

[1:34:19] >> for the public since it is public

[1:34:22] hearing we do like an initial overview

[1:34:24] of what it is.

[1:34:24] >> Yeah, of course. So um just to uh

[1:34:27] reiterate what we spoke about uh

[1:34:30] month ago, was it two meetings ago?

[1:34:31] >> I think it was two

[1:34:32] >> two meetings ago. Last month um we spoke

[1:34:35] about this and uh the annexation policy

[1:34:37] plan is intended to be a guiding

[1:34:40] document for annexation in Grantsville

[1:34:44] and in the the unincorporated area

[1:34:46] surrounding Grantsville City. Um there

[1:34:48] are certain areas that we have

[1:34:50] designated areas A, B, and C that uh

[1:34:53] will

[1:34:55] uh be for consideration when the time

[1:34:58] comes for those areas to develop and or

[1:35:01] be annexed into a a neighboring

[1:35:04] municipality. What this does for us is state that if those areas were to be

[1:35:10] um developed out and had interest in

[1:35:14] annexing into the city or if the city

[1:35:16] decided we wanted to annex property into

[1:35:19] the city. Um this this uh sets the stage

[1:35:23] for that and enables us to go out and

[1:35:25] grab those lands as they come in. It

[1:35:28] doesn't create any obligations for the

[1:35:30] city. There's no um infrastructure

[1:35:34] look out there that we would be required

[1:35:36] to do. It would be understood that as

[1:35:38] these property owners and developers uh

[1:35:42] look to develop these areas that they

[1:35:44] would hook on to our existing system and

[1:35:47] bring water shares and and other

[1:35:48] infrastructure with them. So the burden

[1:35:51] would uh the initial burden at least

[1:35:53] would not be on the uh city. It would be

[1:35:57] on the properties to be annexed into the

[1:35:59] city.

[1:36:01] Um,

[1:36:07] state code requires that if we have the

[1:36:08] annexation policy in play, that we have

[1:36:11] an annexation policy in place and that

[1:36:13] it uh governs um how property is pulled

[1:36:17] into the city if and when that time

[1:36:19] comes. Again, this isn't uh intended to

[1:36:22] be any kind of uh land grab or any kind

[1:36:26] of um indication of where we want to go.

[1:36:30] It's it's saying these are areas that we

[1:36:33] can see as being part of the city and

[1:36:35] being a valuable part of the city at

[1:36:37] some point in the future. So uh it also

[1:36:40] helps to uh guide additional uh adjacent

[1:36:44] communities claims on property that may

[1:36:47] be uh annexed in uh to adjacent

[1:36:51] municipalities. So um we would uh have

[1:36:56] the first right of refusal as it were on

[1:36:58] some of these other properties if um

[1:37:01] other communities wanted to look at

[1:37:03] that.

[1:37:07] » I got it. Thank you, Bill.

[1:37:09] >> You bet.

[1:37:11] >> And I think at this point we'll open it

[1:37:12] up to public comment. If anybody would

[1:37:14] like to make a comment on the annexation

[1:37:17] uh policy plan, uh now is your time. And

[1:37:21] if you're online and would like to make

[1:37:22] a comment, please raise your hand.

[1:37:32] Anything online, Alicia?

[1:37:34] Okay, we will close that public hearing

[1:37:37] and

[1:37:39] we will turn to a discussion with the

[1:37:40] council. Is there anybody who has

[1:37:42] anything they would like to add or

[1:37:45] questions or concerns they would like to

[1:37:47] raise?

[1:37:47] >> This is the same one we looked at

[1:37:49] though. This this hasn't changed from

[1:37:50] what we looked at. We just did pushed it

[1:37:51] off to do the public comment hearing,

[1:37:53] right? Okay. because it's amended. So, I

[1:37:55] didn't know this was this but this is

[1:37:56] the same one we've looked at

[1:38:00] >> and we're following all the statutory

[1:38:02] provisions.

[1:38:06] That's

[1:38:12] » Tyson, you've reviewed this as well.

[1:38:15] We've seen it.

[1:38:16] >> Okay. any concerns on it or questions?

[1:38:20] >> No, it's a this is a this is a benefit

[1:38:23] for the city to adopt the the annexation

[1:38:26] policy plan. We're required to do so by code and it also sets the stage for

[1:38:34] um for for future potential for the

[1:38:38] city. It doesn't it doesn't lock us in

[1:38:40] or bind us in any way. Um but what it

[1:38:43] does do is

[1:38:45] for example, If a property owner from

[1:38:47] one of these extr territorial

[1:38:50] um pieces of property wanted to annex in

[1:38:54] this doesn't automatically give them an

[1:38:56] entitlement to coming in. They would

[1:38:58] have to engage in the in the normal

[1:39:00] process and they'd have to meet the

[1:39:01] criteria that was the the go through

[1:39:05] planning commission to come to city

[1:39:06] council and uh we can even engage in

[1:39:09] annexation

[1:39:11] um agreements with them. So, so that you

[1:39:14] know there's a there's a a benefit to

[1:39:18] bringing new new uh new parcels into the

[1:39:21] city as opposed to a detriment and

[1:39:24] liability of the city.

[1:39:29] » Thank you.

[1:39:46] Mayor, I'll make a motion that we

[1:39:48] approve ordinance 2026-16

[1:39:50] approving and adopting an updated

[1:39:53] annexation policy plan repealing and

[1:39:55] replacing the prior annex annexation

[1:39:57] policy plans and providing for an

[1:39:59] effective date.

[1:40:01] >> We have a motion by council member

[1:40:02] Dalton. Is there a second?

[1:40:04] >> I'll second.

[1:40:05] >> Second by council member Thomas. All in

[1:40:07] favor? I

[1:40:10] >> All right. Passes. Thank you.

[1:40:13] >> Um item number eight, consideration of

[1:40:16] resolution 2026-23

[1:40:18] of purchasing the approving the purchase

[1:40:21] of a sewer vector truck and authorizing

[1:40:23] partial funding and financing. And this

[1:40:26] will be presented by Marcus and Christie

[1:40:28] from the public works department.

[1:40:32] » Thank you guys. Sorry. Go ahead.

[1:40:33] >> Okay. Uh so Gransville City is looking

[1:40:36] to purchase a sewer vac truck with

[1:40:38] partial funding. Uh each year we

[1:40:42] grantsville city sewer department uh

[1:40:44] budgets to clean the the sewer system.

[1:40:47] Grantsville city has approximately 90

[1:40:49] miles of sewer sewer system.

[1:40:52] >> The cleaning of that has been going on

[1:40:54] recently. Right. That's what I've been

[1:40:55] seeing on the

[1:40:56] >> Yeah. Okay. We we actually currently

[1:40:58] have a small ram jet, but that uh is was

[1:41:02] built in the it's a early 90s uh jet

[1:41:06] roer. It does not have a back setup on

[1:41:08] it.

[1:41:09] >> Okay.

[1:41:09] >> So, we we really don't like to use it

[1:41:12] too much because once you're jet rotting

[1:41:14] the sewer, you're actually bringing

[1:41:15] stuff down through the sewer system and

[1:41:17] you have no way of vac back trailering

[1:41:19] out. This truck would actually back

[1:41:21] trailer any heavy material, gravel, uh

[1:41:25] sludge, grease. Uh we're also looking,

[1:41:29] this truck can also also be used to

[1:41:31] clean storm drains and it'll have a

[1:41:34] hydro excavation package on it too. So

[1:41:36] it'll actually help with water jobs uh

[1:41:39] as well.

[1:41:41] uh we have we approximately have about

[1:41:42] 1,600 manholes in our system and uh we

[1:41:47] would like to take partial payment and

[1:41:50] uh every year I'm I think about the next

[1:41:54] five to seven years to to pay for the

[1:41:56] loan. So every year we have to to budget

[1:41:58] for this anyway. So we're looking to

[1:42:01] take that budget and just put towards a financial loan on this.

[1:42:04] >> How much are we paying for the cleaning

[1:42:07] every year? So currently we budget about

[1:42:09] $90,000 that goes towards cleaning the

[1:42:12] sewer and it only cleans a portion. This

[1:42:14] way we'll be able to clean all of the

[1:42:16] sewer with our team every year.

[1:42:19] >> And each year with the increasing size,

[1:42:22] new development, whatnot, we we have to

[1:42:25] ask for more each year. And

[1:42:27] unfortunately, we don't it's still not

[1:42:29] enough to clean what we need. And the

[1:42:31] sewer system needs to be cleaned. It's

[1:42:33] something you don't want to you don't

[1:42:35] want to clean.

[1:42:36] cuz if there is a backup, it can

[1:42:38] actually it could be very costly and I

[1:42:42] would like to be or actually not have

[1:42:44] any backups. That's my main goal is try

[1:42:47] to avoid backups as much as possible.

[1:42:52] » Has anyone ever had a backup in their

[1:42:53] basement? [laughter]

[1:42:55] >> I have.

[1:42:58] >> So you don't want that?

[1:43:00] [laughter]

[1:43:01] >> Unfortunately, they do happen, but we

[1:43:03] want to try to avoid this as much as

[1:43:04] possible.

[1:43:06] And when we have emergencies, it's

[1:43:08] harder to get a get someone out here

[1:43:10] now. Uh the contractor that we use,

[1:43:13] they're a great company, but it's if you

[1:43:15] want them out here the next day, you're

[1:43:17] it's not going to happen. So, it'd be a

[1:43:22] good truck to have. Uh and if we do have

[1:43:25] emergencies, uh we'd be able to be right

[1:43:27] on top of it.

[1:43:30] >> I I had more of a question regarding the

[1:43:32] functionality of the truck itself. I

[1:43:34] mean

[1:43:36] you can use these to locate lines etc.

[1:43:39] Right.

[1:43:40] >> Yes.

[1:43:41] >> So hydrox. So

[1:43:44] would that classify I'm not would that

[1:43:46] classify as something that could be used

[1:43:49] in another department?

[1:43:51] Meaning could this classify as a class C

[1:43:53] if it was used in that setting or no? Or

[1:43:55] am I outside the

[1:43:57] >> this truck I mean Christie can speak on

[1:44:00] this but this truck will be used mainly

[1:44:02] for the sewer. for the sewer.

[1:44:04] >> Yeah. And the storm drain.

[1:44:05] >> Okay.

[1:44:07] >> And for water lines, too. Right.

[1:44:08] >> Well, we have a back trailer that we use

[1:44:12] right now on a lot of our water jobs.

[1:44:15] >> But you don't want to crosscontaminate

[1:44:17] when you're cleaning. So, and it is a

[1:44:19] lot smaller and we have lift stations

[1:44:21] that are 30 foot deep and that won't do

[1:44:23] anything,

[1:44:24] >> okay,

[1:44:24] >> to clean our sewer. So, this suction

[1:44:26] pipe will be an 8 in pipe.

[1:44:29] So, it'll be mainly [clears throat]

[1:44:31] clean grease and

[1:44:34] >> a lot of other fun stuff.

[1:44:36] >> Do we have the expertise to be able to

[1:44:40] run this truck?

[1:44:42] >> Yes,

[1:44:42] >> we do.

[1:44:43] >> I have the experience. Uh I work with a contractor every year. Have been for

[1:44:48] years. We've actually already we're

[1:44:51] continuing training. We've already had

[1:44:52] training and we're going to continue it

[1:44:54] even when we purchase this truck.

[1:44:58] Are we going to need to hire?

[1:45:00] I mean, there's always more need for for more help. [snorts]

[1:45:06] Um, when do you anticipate that there'll

[1:45:08] be uh more hiring due to purchasing

[1:45:13] something like this or any sort of

[1:45:15] needs? Will there be anything like that?

[1:45:17] >> Not currently for with the purchase of

[1:45:19] this. It will come when the new sewer

[1:45:22] treatment plant comes online.

[1:45:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When the new sewer

[1:45:25] plant comes, we're looking for one guy.

[1:45:27] But currently, we have uh men to operate

[1:45:29] this truck.

[1:45:31] >> You're running the sewer treatment

[1:45:32] plant, right? I mean, to a certain

[1:45:33] extent.

[1:45:34] >> Yes.

[1:45:34] >> Yeah.

[1:45:35] >> You can't can't be all places at once.

[1:45:38] >> I try to be [laughter] a great job,

[1:45:40] Marcus.

[1:45:43] [clears throat]

[1:45:46] » I'll just say too, Marcus has gone out.

[1:45:48] He's went to other municipalities,

[1:45:50] looked at more than one truck, and have

[1:45:54] settled on this would be and went off of

[1:45:57] other recommendations that this would be

[1:45:59] the best purchase.

[1:46:01] >> Can we use this in storm as well?

[1:46:03] >> Same. Yes. So, you probably mentioned

[1:46:05] that, but I missed it. So,

[1:46:07] >> okay.

[1:46:09] >> Ask what other municipalities you went

[1:46:11] to.

[1:46:12] Uh, Riverton, Eagle Mountain, uh, Salt

[1:46:16] Lake, uh,

[1:46:18] >> Spanish Fork, Harrisville. I I Twilla. I

[1:46:22] met with them several times. I tried I

[1:46:25] got a whole list.

[1:46:27] >> They have trucks similar to this or was

[1:46:29] this their recommendation because they

[1:46:31] had

[1:46:32] >> No.

[1:46:33] >> Yeah. So we went we actually a lot of

[1:46:36] cities actually will have a truck just

[1:46:37] for storm drain and they'll have trucks

[1:46:40] just for for sewer. So you kind of have

[1:46:43] a mixed bag there. But talking to many

[1:46:45] operators and and what we experienced

[1:46:48] this truck would be best for cleaning

[1:46:50] sewers.

[1:46:55] Um you don't want to go cheap on a back

[1:46:57] truck. I mean it is a lot of money but

[1:47:01] yeah you you buy the wrong one and it

[1:47:04] just doesn't work.

[1:47:05] >> Yeah.

[1:47:06] >> You don't buy used.

[1:47:07] >> No. No.

[1:47:08] >> Yeah. There [laughter] there is used

[1:47:09] options out there but these are they can

[1:47:12] be costly.

[1:47:12] >> Everyone has said that

[1:47:14] >> there's a reason why they're used.

[1:47:16] >> So

[1:47:17] >> and for sale

[1:47:19] [laughter]

[1:47:20] want to buy a new one and you want to

[1:47:21] buy

[1:47:23] >> factors the best.

[1:47:25] So,

[1:47:27] >> so the plan is to use [clears throat]

[1:47:28] 300,000 of the budget and then loan out

[1:47:31] the rest. Do a loan for the rest.

[1:47:33] >> 100,000.

[1:47:33] >> Oh, I thought it said budgeted.

[1:47:35] >> So, there's 200 in the budget line right

[1:47:38] now.

[1:47:38] >> Oh, so we're going to use a hundred of

[1:47:39] that and then the rest will be

[1:47:41] >> on a loan of 70.

[1:47:42] >> That's correct.

[1:47:43] >> And 90,000 we're already paying to have

[1:47:46] somebody else come and do a portion of

[1:47:48] our sewer. We can't do it all because

[1:47:49] that contracted amount doesn't cover

[1:47:52] 90,000 doesn't cover the whole city

[1:47:54] >> and that 90,000 will go to the loan

[1:47:57] >> to the loan,

[1:47:58] >> right?

[1:47:58] >> And that will cover the loan for the

[1:48:00] >> Okay.

[1:48:02] >> Plus the 100. [laughter]

[1:48:04] So

[1:48:04] >> plus the 100 that we have.

[1:48:06] >> Yeah. That we're we have 200 in the

[1:48:08] budget right now. So we'll use a hundred

[1:48:10] of a down.

[1:48:11] >> And then we'll have to budget

[1:48:15] uh the payment plan. Did I don't include

[1:48:18] that? I think it's about 110 per year.

[1:48:21] >> So, in the past when we've had an issue

[1:48:25] like obviously these issues get larger

[1:48:27] by the second. So, um how have we

[1:48:31] addressed that not have I mean obviously

[1:48:33] we have a piece of equipment that we've

[1:48:34] been trying to use. Has that worked and

[1:48:38] so we we're at the behest of how we can

[1:48:41] get a another machine.

[1:48:43] >> Yeah. whether it's been Twin D or Twilla

[1:48:45] Valley Pumping or whoever, we can get

[1:48:47] out here as as quickly as they can come.

[1:48:49] >> And on those emergency calls, they're

[1:48:51] about 5 to $10,000 every time I have to

[1:48:53] call them to come to do that.

[1:48:54] >> And that could be just a onetime deal.

[1:48:57] >> Yeah.

[1:48:59] >> But this truck will then take care of

[1:49:00] that. We won't have to

[1:49:02] >> I feel like I'm in a man's world.

[1:49:04] [laughter]

[1:49:07] Sorry.

[1:49:10] um any sort of uh additional insurance,

[1:49:14] liability insurance that we may need to

[1:49:16] have or cover by us doing it that a

[1:49:19] contractor takes on themselves that that

[1:49:22] may may we may not already have in place

[1:49:26] that

[1:49:26] >> coverage.

[1:49:30] » What you're saying is by using it and if

[1:49:33] we cause a problem by using it. Yes,

[1:49:37] that's

[1:49:39] because the contractor would take on

[1:49:40] that liability if they caused an issue.

[1:49:45] >> Just curious,

[1:49:47] >> we carry like so obviously the vehicle

[1:49:49] would be insured through city and then

[1:49:51] grful city does have like a general

[1:49:53] liability insurance policy already

[1:49:55] placed into the trust that we pay for

[1:49:57] that something if it did become

[1:49:59] expensive would

[1:50:01] come into play. So we it would be

[1:50:02] covered under that policy that we do our

[1:50:04] pay for it at that place.

[1:50:09] » I think from a liability standpoint

[1:50:10] though and I I just needed to ask the

[1:50:12] question but sucking the bad stuff out

[1:50:15] actually eliminates the liability

[1:50:16] because that's the liability. So I mean

[1:50:18] that's why we're doing it

[1:50:22] sludge.

[1:50:23] >> Did you look into

[1:50:25] >> any other suppliers besides own like

[1:50:28] >> Yeah.

[1:50:28] >> Yes.

[1:50:29] >> Yeah. And they

[1:50:30] >> Yeah. So, we looked at three I'll let

[1:50:32] Marcus speak.

[1:50:33] >> Yeah. So, we we spoke with a couple

[1:50:35] other companies. Uh, one truck was

[1:50:37] pretty close to this price. One was a

[1:50:39] lot cheaper

[1:50:41] uh by about 80,000 but it the truck was

[1:50:45] smaller and we're looking at doing a 12

[1:50:48] yard truck so it haul more. There's some

[1:50:51] areas, you know, getting out there and

[1:50:53] coming back and forth hauling the

[1:50:54] material back does take a little longer.

[1:50:56] So, we're looking at a 12 yard truck. So

[1:50:59] if you actually put 12 yard on that

[1:51:01] actually come out to about the same

[1:51:02] price. But we did go through three

[1:51:05] different trucks manufacturers.

[1:51:10] » And Owen is also on state contract. So

[1:51:13] >> the best price.

[1:51:16] >> I don't know though. Does the government

[1:51:17] really pay the best price for things

[1:51:19] [laughter]

[1:51:21] >> that that's why I asked the

[1:51:23] >> the UP3 up UP3 website and and the the

[1:51:28] process that everyone goes through to to

[1:51:30] get those state contracts, they do have

[1:51:32] to bid those out and and they um they

[1:51:35] get the best price for whoever

[1:51:37] submitted.

[1:51:39] So in answer to your question,

[1:51:42] >> they go through like a bid process

[1:51:43] similar to like we would on a project.

[1:51:45] The state does something similar to

[1:51:47] determine a contractor that would be on

[1:51:49] state contract for the items

[1:51:52] >> or supplier.

[1:51:53] >> Yeah, exactly.

[1:51:55] >> This truck does they did it does come

[1:51:57] with fiveyear warranty on it. the truck

[1:52:00] itself. Sorry, the vac truck and then

[1:52:02] Freightlininer will be the truck and

[1:52:04] that'll be through Freightlininer. But

[1:52:06] the vac truck itself has a 5year

[1:52:08] warranty on it. Bumper to bumper.

[1:52:11] >> No, just on the vax back equipment.

[1:52:14] [laughter]

[1:52:36] Anyone have any other questions or

[1:52:40] comments?

[1:52:42] >> Mayor, I make a motion. We move to

[1:52:44] approve resolution 2026-23

[1:52:47] approving the purchase of a sewer vector

[1:52:50] truck and authorizing partial funding

[1:52:52] and financing. We have a motion by

[1:52:55] council member Thomas. Is there a

[1:52:57] second?

[1:52:58] >> Second.

[1:52:59] >> A second by council member Butler. All

[1:53:01] in favor?

[1:53:02] >> I say nay. I think it's overkill.

[1:53:06] >> Okay. Uh, roll call. Council member

[1:53:09] Butler,

[1:53:10] >> yay.

[1:53:11] >> Thomas,

[1:53:12] >> yay.

[1:53:12] >> Williams,

[1:53:13] >> yay.

[1:53:14] >> Skinner,

[1:53:15] >> yay.

[1:53:15] >> Dalton,

[1:53:16] >> nay.

[1:53:17] >> Thank you.

[1:53:23] All right. Item number nine,

[1:53:25] consideration of resolution 2026-21

[1:53:29] approving the surplus of a

[1:53:30] decommissioned police department vehicle

[1:53:32] presented by Chief Sager.

[1:53:36] >> Mayor, council, thank you. Um, I'm

[1:53:39] looking to offload something, not pick

[1:53:41] something up as come to its depreciation

[1:53:44] time. We had two that came came forward.

[1:53:47] We're able to mechanic thought we could

[1:53:49] use one transfer it to code enforcement

[1:53:50] because it's a part-time job and and

[1:53:52] this one was recommended for surplus.

[1:53:55] So, it's been in our fleet since 2018.

[1:53:57] It's just got under 100,000 miles on it.

[1:54:01] has some mechanical issues that uh

[1:54:03] Riley didn't think was worth fixing and

[1:54:05] time to get what money we can out of it.

[1:54:08] So, that's what we have.

[1:54:18] Can we walk through the decommissioning

[1:54:20] process really quick? That's news, a

[1:54:23] little bit new to me as far as what

[1:54:24] processes followed there.

[1:54:26] >> Last year, we presented it um in the

[1:54:29] budget that I would need to looking at

[1:54:31] these two. So about a year ago, I was

[1:54:33] looking at this and then once once we

[1:54:36] were approved for new vehicles, then we

[1:54:38] started we kept these until the new

[1:54:41] vehicles were up and running and then we

[1:54:42] started tearing down all the equipment,

[1:54:44] the older equipment that either work

[1:54:46] that can be put into the new ones or

[1:54:49] that the electrical equipment goes out

[1:54:51] and you just kind of have to replace. So

[1:54:53] it kind of goes by each vehicle. Like

[1:54:55] right now I drive a 2012 truck and I

[1:54:57] I'll probably be in that forever just

[1:54:59] because I don't do the wear and tear

[1:55:01] that patrol does, right? Because this

[1:55:03] was a patrol vehicle. It's out running

[1:55:04] around all the time. Investigation

[1:55:06] vehicles are a little different. So

[1:55:07] decommissioning is a little different on

[1:55:08] those. We'll keep those a little longer

[1:55:10] because they're not out running around,

[1:55:12] you know, um going emergency calls and

[1:55:15] things like that. But the patrol

[1:55:16] vehicles, they have a little bit tighter

[1:55:18] um window and it just depends on the

[1:55:21] vehicle, but they usually last up to

[1:55:22] five, six years. Um, some of them can be

[1:55:25] lemons and we get rid of them sooner.

[1:55:27] So,

[1:55:30] >> and then if it's approved, then it goes

[1:55:31] to public auction and then it's

[1:55:33] auctioned off public auction website.

[1:55:36] >> Yeah, Marie will take care of all that.

[1:55:38] Um, a city staff member over here.

[1:55:44] » Any idea how much we may get for

[1:55:47] a a Dodge Ringo like this?

[1:55:49] >> I don't know. I watch auctions quite a

[1:55:51] bit. I I would say

[1:55:54] I'd say minimum 10. Yeah, I would think

[1:55:58] depend. I don't know. The economy is a

[1:55:59] little different right now. So, it's

[1:56:00] kind of Yeah, we see it everywhere else.

[1:56:04] >> But the ones I've I see 10ish, I would

[1:56:08] say. Last year, I estimated it uh up to 15, but I just don't think it's

[1:56:15] there yet or this year.

[1:56:19] That's just my guess on what I've seen.

[1:56:23] Thank you.

[1:56:26] >> Thank you, Chief.

[1:56:28] >> Thank you. That sounds good. We're

[1:56:30] actually making some gummy. [laughter]

[1:56:31] >> Let's put this towards the back track

[1:56:35] that

[1:56:36] >> goes through.

[1:56:37] >> I know. I know.

[1:56:38] >> I don't know where it goes. I would hope

[1:56:40] it goes back to equipment to put into

[1:56:41] the new ones, but it goes to general

[1:56:43] fund wherever it goes from there. Yeah.

[1:56:47] [laughter] There

[1:56:47] >> you go.

[1:56:48] >> We'll try to get it back to you.

[1:56:53] Mayor, I make a motion. We move to

[1:56:54] approve resolution 202621 approving the

[1:56:57] surplus of a decommissioned police

[1:56:59] department vehicle.

[1:57:01] >> We have a motion by council member

[1:57:03] Thomas. Is there a second?

[1:57:05] >> I'll second the motion.

[1:57:06] >> A second by council member Skinner. All

[1:57:08] in favor?

[1:57:09] >> I.

[1:57:10] >> Thank you.

[1:57:14] Agenda item number 10, presentation of a

[1:57:16] concept plan for the Sunage Terrace

[1:57:18] subdivision phases 4 through six. And

[1:57:21] just a reminder, this is a presentation

[1:57:23] and discussion item only. We will not be

[1:57:26] taking any action on this agenda item

[1:57:29] tonight.

[1:57:37] » So do we have you have the concept?

[1:57:39] >> Do you have that Alia? Oh, this is Well,

[1:57:42] this is the only thing.

[1:57:43] >> Okay, that's Yeah, that's pretty much

[1:57:45] what we were looking at doing.

[1:57:47] >> Um, I've been working with staff for

[1:57:50] quite a few months trying to come up

[1:57:51] with a concept that works here for us.

[1:57:55] Uh couple of things that we ran into was

[1:57:58] on the very far west side the staff is

[1:58:02] requiring us to put that main collector

[1:58:04] road in. And they felt like it wasn't

[1:58:08] fair to push half of it onto the

[1:58:09] neighbors. So they requiring us to put

[1:58:12] the whole road and I can't remember how

[1:58:15] wide is the road.

[1:58:18] [clears throat]

[1:58:18] >> Yeah. There how wide that road that be?

[1:58:21] >> It's a 90 foot road and then Main

[1:58:23] Street. How wide is Main Street there?

[1:58:27] >> 108.

[1:58:29] >> Yeah. See, Main Street kind of starts

[1:58:31] there and then it has a jog.

[1:58:33] >> We weren't in the first couple phases we

[1:58:36] did, we didn't do 108 foot wide road.

[1:58:38] So, we kind of ran into some issues

[1:58:42] there of we lost quite a few lots and

[1:58:45] then uh we they wanted some

[1:58:46] connectability up there onto the north

[1:58:49] to Matt Canyon which cost us another

[1:58:51] lot. So, what we were what I was coming

[1:58:53] to the city council tonight to propose

[1:58:56] is this is requires halfacres. It's a

[1:58:58] halfacre density. Um, everything in

[1:59:01] yellow is halfacre or larger. And we

[1:59:04] were wondering if they would guys would

[1:59:07] give us a small variance. The the lots

[1:59:09] in the black are 20,000 square feet or

[1:59:12] just over 20,000. So, just barely

[1:59:14] smaller than a half acre, but it still

[1:59:18] overall is halfacre density. But by

[1:59:21] putting all the roads in and stuff, we

[1:59:23] did lose quite a few lots and we're

[1:59:24] trying to get it up to a minimum of 128.

[1:59:31] So, is there any other questions? Oh, we

[1:59:33] do have uh some open space that's going

[1:59:35] to be maintained by an HOA.

[1:59:38] Um it's approximately I think it's 8

[1:59:40] acres

[1:59:42] 8 7.8 acres I believe. If I can read

[1:59:45] this. Yeah, 7.8 8 acres of open space

[1:59:48] that we will have while walking trail

[1:59:50] in.

[1:59:52] >> Can you point out where that would be?

[1:59:55] >> Yeah.

[1:59:56] >> I mean, I see the area at the end of

[1:59:57] Apple Mill Road. I'm assuming that's

[1:59:59] where you're

[2:00:00] >> Yeah, it's kind of hard to see in

[2:00:01] yellow. So, there's some open space

[2:00:02] here. There'll be a drainage ditch that

[2:00:04] comes down through here and then

[2:00:05] there'll be a walking trail.

[2:00:08] >> I don't believe it's on here. I think it

[2:00:09] comes down and then comes around here. A

[2:00:11] walking trail and then this will be some

[2:00:13] open space there. Well, there on the end

[2:00:15] of that Apple

[2:00:18] [snorts]

[2:00:21] said about seven acres.

[2:00:22] >> Yeah, just over seven acres.

[2:00:40] So, you're you're asking for 128 lots.

[2:00:43] So if we had the road if the road wasn't

[2:00:45] if you weren't being required to do the

[2:00:47] road width where where were your lot

[2:00:50] numbers before that?

[2:00:52] >> 128.

[2:00:53] >> So you're just trying to keep the same

[2:00:56] keep put the roads in that are being

[2:00:57] required.

[2:00:58] >> Yeah. The wider roads, right? Trying to do that.

[2:01:05] » So there is no increase in density.

[2:01:07] >> There is not. No.

[2:01:11] They would just be a little smaller than

[2:01:13] the half acre I think that's required in

[2:01:16] that zoning. I think at 21,780

[2:01:20] square foot and these would be just like

[2:01:22] 20,500 square feet or

[2:01:24] >> you're talking 15600 square feet total.

[2:01:27] >> Yeah. Total.

[2:01:28] >> And this road on the left would that be

[2:01:29] that nag green loop?

[2:01:30] >> I'm sorry. The left of

[2:01:32] >> ultimately we connect over with the

[2:01:34] larger network that we're trying to

[2:01:36] build

[2:01:38] >> that we discussed yesterday.

[2:01:40] >> Yeah.

[2:01:42] And and that is the loop though I'm

[2:01:44] not asking you. I know you're going what

[2:01:45] are you talking city staff green.

[2:01:49] Thank you. Arterial

[2:01:51] classifial.

[2:01:55] [clears throat]

[2:02:14] Just a question I guess I have on the

[2:02:17] opposite side of what we're calling

[2:02:21] Who is the property owner there and why

[2:02:22] is it being pushed onto his side?

[2:02:25] >> It's being pushed on.

[2:02:27] >> Yeah,

[2:02:27] >> that's what I mean. Yeah.

[2:02:28] >> Yeah, I can speak to that. So, Matt

[2:02:30] Canyon um borders the next development

[2:02:34] up. That's the uh

[2:02:37] >> um

[2:02:39] Matt Canyon development.

[2:02:41] >> Okay. So imaginatively named Matt Canyon

[2:02:44] Development. Um

[2:02:46] this is that road of existing homes that

[2:02:49] uh moves to the south from off of Matt

[2:02:52] Canyon.

[2:02:53] >> Taylor Road,

[2:02:54] >> I think it's Taylor Road. Yeah. So uh

[2:02:56] these are those homes on that.

[2:02:58] >> So there are existing homes that will

[2:03:00] border this.

[2:03:01] >> Correct. That's why we're pushing this

[2:03:03] over.

[2:03:04] >> That's right. Okay.

[2:03:05] >> So it has to be unless we wanted to go

[2:03:07] in and condemn everyone's backyards up

[2:03:09] there. um which is uh

[2:03:12] >> not popular.

[2:03:13] >> It's not popular. It's possible, but not

[2:03:15] popular. That's a good way to put it.

[2:03:16] >> I'm for it. [laughter]

[2:03:20] » Um

[2:03:21] >> unless you get your 128 units, right?

[2:03:23] >> Yeah. [laughter] I understand.

[2:03:26] >> Uh Larry's been good to work with. I

[2:03:28] just wanted to comment on that. He's been responsive to staff's concerns

[2:03:31] and requests um as we've worked together

[2:03:35] to modify this into something that is uh

[2:03:38] equally

[2:03:42] frustrating,

[2:03:43] equally desirable, equally uh beneficial

[2:03:46] for everybody. And um it's uh it's been

[2:03:49] an iterative process as we've worked

[2:03:51] through. uh he's got a few phases of the

[2:03:55] development that he's already installed

[2:03:58] uh as indicated, but uh as we look

[2:04:00] forward to finishing these ones out, um

[2:04:04] this is what his request is. U staff

[2:04:07] does have a concern in that uh if we do

[2:04:10] allow for a relaxed application of this,

[2:04:13] it would probably need to be put into a

[2:04:16] master development agreement that would

[2:04:18] do uh a couple of things for us. it

[2:04:21] would lock in his entitlements and make

[2:04:22] sure that this layout is is guaranteed

[2:04:25] and um not subject to future

[2:04:30] changes in the ordinance. But it would

[2:04:32] also um

[2:04:34] allow him to have the the flexibility to

[2:04:37] come in under the uh required

[2:04:41] uh minimum square footage for the zone

[2:04:43] which is exactly one half acre. So the 21,07 whatever um

[2:04:52] again it doesn't need to be a big

[2:04:54] science project that way but it it would

[2:04:56] be something that we would need to do in

[2:04:58] order to provide that flexibility from

[2:05:00] the strict requirements of the code

[2:05:06] for lots 319 320 and 321 are those

[2:05:09] already built

[2:05:10] >> just off of Apple Mill Road right out of

[2:05:12] that culde-sac

[2:05:13] >> um everything outside of the blue line.

[2:05:16] >> The the darker blue line.

[2:05:18] >> 319.

[2:05:19] >> Yeah. The bottom of that culdeacite,

[2:05:22] right? To your left. Down.

[2:05:24] >> No. Down

[2:05:25] >> the south. The

[2:05:26] >> No, the three to the your left.

[2:05:29] >> Okay. No, they're not build. They'll be

[2:05:31] part of phase three, which is

[2:05:33] >> has been approved. We're just working

[2:05:35] with staff to get the construction

[2:05:38] drawings finalized and get started on

[2:05:40] those. But that phase three had been

[2:05:42] approved a year ago. I asked I think it

[2:05:44] was brought up in planning commission

[2:05:46] too. If we're going to make these lots

[2:05:48] to the north smaller, is there any way

[2:05:51] we can make those three lots smaller to

[2:05:53] get so there's not that jut in in Main

[2:05:55] Street? Is that something you'd be

[2:05:57] willing to do or No,

[2:06:00] >> I mean, I'd be willing to do it if it

[2:06:03] didn't delay my start date on when I

[2:06:07] could start on this phase because we're

[2:06:08] pretty close to having everything ready

[2:06:10] to where we can start turning dirt and going along. I mean, I think it

[2:06:14] would be nice. I know, uh, staff has

[2:06:17] asked if we would straighten the road

[2:06:18] out, and I think if if we could work

[2:06:20] with, uh, if they didn't hold up our

[2:06:23] phase three approval, I mean, I I don't

[2:06:26] think it's a big deal for us just to

[2:06:28] draw a straight line across the

[2:06:29] construction.

[2:06:30] >> The hard one is going to be this one

[2:06:31] that is just off of the

[2:06:33] >> Yeah, that one there because that's

[2:06:35] already sold. So, um I mean we could we

[2:06:39] could do something to make it a little

[2:06:41] bit less of an abrupt shift here, but it

[2:06:45] doesn't really get us a whole lot. Um

[2:06:47] this is a 33 foot cross-section here.

[2:06:51] That's what that number is up. You can't

[2:06:53] see it.

[2:06:54] >> How big are those lots there, Bill?

[2:06:56] They're bigger than a halfacre.

[2:06:57] >> Yeah, these are 22,000. That's 21. So,

[2:07:00] this is just over. This is just over.

[2:07:02] This is a little bigger because it's got

[2:07:03] this over here.

[2:07:05] Um,

[2:07:07] yeah,

[2:07:11] we would like it just for aesthetics,

[2:07:13] but as far as the flow and function of

[2:07:15] the road, we're not going to be gaining

[2:07:17] that much uh additional

[2:07:21] uh capacity out of those three lots to

[2:07:23] make it worth a big fight over.

[2:07:26] >> But we could smooth that out.

[2:07:27] >> It would smooth it out and maybe look

[2:07:29] aesthetically more pleasing. But we

[2:07:30] could also push that little dog leg over

[2:07:34] to the west just a little bit more. So

[2:07:36] that smooths it out on on the property

[2:07:38] that um is not involved with the phase

[2:07:40] three

[2:07:43] >> because we have the open space there

[2:07:45] that we could maybe take that smooth

[2:07:48] that dog leg out into that as well.

[2:07:49] >> Yeah, if if necessary. That something we

[2:07:52] could look at there.

[2:07:54] [clears throat]

[2:08:23] Is there anything in in this agreement

[2:08:26] that states that 128 lots

[2:08:31] um is the maximum. I mean, I'm seeing it

[2:08:33] here, but I just want to make sure that

[2:08:34] it like this is where we stay. 128.

[2:08:39] >> Yeah. We don't have an agreement, per

[2:08:40] se. We would have to enter into an

[2:08:42] agreement that would protect his

[2:08:44] interests and entitlements as well as

[2:08:46] give the city what we want. Um that's

[2:08:50] typically how this kind of thing is

[2:08:51] done. you get a a little bit of a

[2:08:53] relaxed

[2:08:55] maximum or minimum square footage rather

[2:08:57] um on those lots so that they come in

[2:09:00] and and um the number of units is what

[2:09:03] is protected not necessarily the square

[2:09:06] footage of each one

[2:09:07] >> right

[2:09:07] >> so

[2:09:12] and I'm not sure how the math works out

[2:09:13] but it's approximately

[2:09:16] if I can read this 80 that's up here in

[2:09:18] the corner it gives you that's 90 92.5

[2:09:21] five seven acres and I'm not sure

[2:09:24] exactly how the math would work out on

[2:09:26] if that was halfacre lots. I think I did

[2:09:30] some napkin math and it was about 132,

[2:09:33] but you have to take in the roads and

[2:09:35] stuff.

[2:09:37] So, we're only asking for 128

[2:10:02] We're just looking at Google Earth.

[2:10:04] Sorry. You [laughter] guys got any

[2:10:05] questions?

[2:10:07] >> I'm trying to orient

[2:10:09] >> the edges of this how they tie into what

[2:10:11] we currently have.

[2:10:12] >> So, are those north plots that backside

[2:10:15] that's going to be Matt Canyon Road

[2:10:16] right there?

[2:10:18] >> Kirk.

[2:10:18] >> Yeah.

[2:10:19] >> No. No. Um maybe I need to Google Earth

[2:10:22] too then. [laughter]

[2:10:23] >> So it's going to be on the top.

[2:10:25] >> This is Main Street here. This is the

[2:10:27] extension of Main Street. This is

[2:10:30] >> West

[2:10:31] 138 goes up this way.

[2:10:33] >> Then you have

[2:10:34] >> there. And then that canyon is you've

[2:10:36] got the subdivision

[2:10:37] >> above subdivision to the north.

[2:10:40] >> And then on the other side of that is

[2:10:41] where Desireette starts.

[2:10:43] >> So the homes on Taylor Road, where do

[2:10:45] they align with? I'm trying to see where

[2:10:48] they align with the edge of this

[2:10:49] property.

[2:10:50] >> Right.

[2:10:51] >> And they all have larger lots. So

[2:10:54] >> on the left hand side is that that's

[2:10:55] what I right along that side right

[2:10:57] there. Right.

[2:10:58] >> And then this is that that other

[2:11:00] subdivision that's gone in with the much

[2:11:01] larger lots. They're like several acres.

[2:11:05] >> Yeah. They're five plus acres.

[2:11:06] >> Yeah.

[2:11:07] >> So 10.

[2:11:09] >> Yeah. Unlikely to and unpopular like

[2:11:12] that. unpopular to take 45 ft of their

[2:11:15] backyard and only require him to do 45

[2:11:18] ft

[2:11:19] of the half width on his property, which

[2:11:21] is what he's done here. That's 45 ft.

[2:11:24] This is 33 and this expands to 45 right

[2:11:27] through here.

[2:11:29] So,

[2:11:33] » you want me to put this up?

[2:11:35] >> Yeah. Yeah, sure.

[2:11:43] a little more to the west if you would

[2:11:45] please.

[2:11:47] >> Yeah, that road properties there.

[2:12:10] You can see that the open space that's

[2:12:12] to be dedicated is this gully that's

[2:12:14] right through here.

[2:12:16] So that would be

[2:12:19] >> where that open space dedication would

[2:12:21] be those uh a little bit down through

[2:12:24] here and then Main Street you can see

[2:12:26] would come over this way and

[2:12:30] Yeah.

[2:12:48] Anybody like to make a motion? Anybody

[2:12:50] have any other question?

[2:12:52] >> Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. I'm the one

[2:12:54] that said it.

[2:12:55] >> We'll take a motion.

[2:12:56] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[2:12:57] >> Okay. Could could I just give um just

[2:13:00] the other council members um who may not

[2:13:03] have been here when you were in last um

[2:13:07] you brought forth a um a plan previously

[2:13:12] that had

[2:13:14] more density, right? plenty of open

[2:13:16] spaces, parks, and um at the request of the the citizens, the neighbors, and

[2:13:25] even the city council, we directed you

[2:13:27] to just go with the halfacre lots and

[2:13:30] just build um build build what you had.

[2:13:34] So, um just kind of an FYI, that was the

[2:13:38] direction we gave him in early 2025,

[2:13:41] probably

[2:13:43] maybe late 2024.

[2:13:46] Yeah. Something like that. Been

[2:13:47] >> going on for quite a while.

[2:13:49] >> Yeah. Yeah. And Derek, you were involved

[2:13:51] with planning and zoning um with all

[2:13:54] that and I think planning and zone was

[2:13:55] pretty much on the same page

[2:13:58] >> um with city council. So,

[2:14:06] any other discussion if this is not

[2:14:08] something we're going to vote on

[2:14:09] tonight? Does anyone have any other

[2:14:11] direction to give?

[2:14:13] >> I guess I had a question on on Brett.

[2:14:14] So, you're saying is this closer to what

[2:14:16] the city council wanted and

[2:14:18] >> this is closer to the direction we gave

[2:14:20] them? Yes. I mean,

[2:14:22] yes.

[2:14:24] >> Well, we would always like more open

[2:14:26] space.

[2:14:27] >> Um Yeah. I mean

[2:14:29] >> I mean to me the lots still there's

[2:14:31] still all at least 20,000 square feet.

[2:14:33] They're all they're just under

[2:14:36] >> half acre. The black is what we're

[2:14:38] looking at, right? That are the

[2:14:39] >> within 5%.

[2:14:40] >> Right. It's not

[2:14:41] >> Yeah. I guess what I was just seeking

[2:14:43] [clears throat] tonight is just to see

[2:14:44] if this is something you guys can get

[2:14:46] behind before I go throw a whole lot

[2:14:47] more money in the engineering and then

[2:14:49] come back for final approval.

[2:14:50] >> Yeah.

[2:14:51] >> Then for guys to say, "Oh, no. It

[2:14:52] doesn't meet requirements." So

[2:14:54] >> then he will be taken on the full road

[2:14:56] of

[2:14:58] >> That's right.

[2:14:58] >> Yeah.

[2:14:59] >> Which is huge compared to because

[2:15:01] usually it's split happen.

[2:15:02] >> Yeah. And we can't front anything on

[2:15:05] Main Street or Nigraine. We can't have

[2:15:08] any lots fronting that. So that's one of

[2:15:11] the reasons we did lose some some lots

[2:15:13] on our original layout. We did have some

[2:15:16] fronting onto that road. So that was one

[2:15:19] of the challenges as well.

[2:15:20] >> Alicia, can you move that back to see

[2:15:21] Main Street?

[2:15:24] >> So as far as the buildout of of Main

[2:15:26] Street, because none of this is I mean

[2:15:28] this is just a dirt road, right? This

[2:15:31] Main Street.

[2:15:32] >> Um no, Main Street is

[2:15:34] >> up until you get

[2:15:35] >> Oh, yes.

[2:15:35] >> Yes.

[2:15:35] >> Uhhuh. So will you be building out the

[2:15:38] full build out of Main Street as well or

[2:15:40] just one side?

[2:15:42] >> Just one side. As far I understand

[2:15:43] correct, Bill, we just it's uh it's a

[2:15:46] 108t road. So we are putting in you know

[2:15:49] 54 feet which which is a big road.

[2:15:52] >> Yes.

[2:15:57] » But the full width of the Green

[2:15:59] Street.

[2:16:00] >> Yes.

[2:16:00] >> Okay.

[2:16:04] What's between lot 511 and 12?

[2:16:07] >> Um, where's that? Oh, that is an access

[2:16:10] road to get to Matt Canyon. Um, staff

[2:16:13] had thought we should have a uh

[2:16:16] >> a road halfway through so it's not I

[2:16:19] think Bill's words were it's it'll be a

[2:16:20] racetrack.

[2:16:21] >> Yeah.

[2:16:21] >> If uh you don't

[2:16:23] [clears throat and cough] have

[2:16:23] connectability people get going too

[2:16:24] fast.

[2:16:26] >> So that

[2:16:27] >> so you won't be responsible for any of

[2:16:29] Matt Canyon Road. So Matt Canyon Road is

[2:16:31] not directly behind these lots. Is that

[2:16:33] correct? That is correct. It's a ways

[2:16:36] further.

[2:16:36] >> Yeah. There'll be houses from Matt

[2:16:38] Canyon that border up against those.

[2:16:40] >> Yeah.

[2:16:46] » I think the only question I have is just

[2:16:48] more in line with the visibility of the

[2:16:51] open space as far as what that entails.

[2:16:54] Um I know we've one of the main desires

[2:16:58] I I'll speak for myself uh regarding new

[2:17:02] developments is ensuring that we have uh

[2:17:07] trail systems that are interconnecting.

[2:17:10] Um I know that is one big request from

[2:17:13] residents is one. So, I'm sure it's a

[2:17:16] selling point for new residents is

[2:17:18] having a space to be able to walk and trying to have some

[2:17:21] interconnectivity

[2:17:23] from one uh subdivision

[2:17:26] or development to another would be also

[2:17:29] of interest. And so maybe just

[2:17:33] being able to visually see what that is.

[2:17:36] Uh because this is new to me. It's not

[2:17:38] new to some of the other members members

[2:17:40] of council, but just being able to see

[2:17:42] what that would be and entail that. I

[2:17:44] don't see anything here. I mean, I know

[2:17:46] this is conceptual, but what does that

[2:17:49] what would that look like or

[2:17:51] >> Yes. Um, that's a good question. We did

[2:17:53] have a trail system on the a concept

[2:17:55] that we were working with staff on.

[2:17:57] >> Okay.

[2:17:57] >> Um, so there is a trail and I think uh

[2:18:00] it comes through those yellow

[2:18:02] down there and then around and up

[2:18:04] through the open space. But we can, you

[2:18:06] know, we'll we'll we'll put a trail

[2:18:08] system in. I know that is something that staff has recommended we do. I

[2:18:13] think city council two years ago had had

[2:18:15] requested a trail and we had

[2:18:16] incorporated that in there but we just

[2:18:18] didn't put it on this concept and so

[2:18:20] there will be a trail system in there

[2:18:21] >> and that will go to

[2:18:24] >> no it won't go over to it'll come

[2:18:26] up it'll come I think if I remember Bill

[2:18:29] didn't it come down through here I believe was it

[2:18:36] here I think it came down

[2:18:38] >> through here like this and then

[2:18:42] down into this open space and then over

[2:18:44] like that is how I thought we had it

[2:18:46] right. remember.

[2:18:48] >> Yeah. So, so he he did have an iteration

[2:18:50] where

[2:18:51] >> he had trail network kind of going

[2:18:52] through the middle of lots. I think in

[2:18:54] our last vision we asked, you can

[2:18:56] imagine that 10 foot wide thing between

[2:19:00] these lots right here and it's kind of a

[2:19:02] vandalism alley or whatever. So, we

[2:19:04] asked him to to put the trail system

[2:19:07] through here. I know. And then I think

[2:19:10] that was the extent of it. It probably

[2:19:11] came through here and then up to this

[2:19:14] street, but we didn't think that that

[2:19:16] was the best just just like secluded,

[2:19:20] you know, people tag, whatever between

[2:19:23] two fences. So, but that certainly could

[2:19:25] be a different away, but that's kind of

[2:19:28] the latest direction that we we thought

[2:19:30] might be a good idea is a trail system

[2:19:32] along this goalie way.

[2:19:37] » And it would go up through that goalie

[2:19:39] way and then tie into that canyon just a

[2:19:42] subdivision up there.

[2:19:51] Just so you guys know, the distance

[2:19:52] between the far north side of his

[2:19:55] property and Matt Canyon is 1300 feet.

[2:19:58] Looks quite a ways.

[2:19:59] >> Yeah. Yeah, that is more than I

[2:20:02] expected.

[2:20:08] » All right. Do we have any other

[2:20:10] direction? Oh, Jake.

[2:20:11] >> The roadway on the west is is 60 feet. I

[2:20:15] can't see that. It's in yellow. My I'm

[2:20:17] color blind to yellow. I think for

[2:20:20] >> about 108

[2:20:21] >> 108 ft. Okay. All right. So the and the

[2:20:25] roadway between lot 511 and

[2:20:28] >> 66

[2:20:29] >> 60

[2:20:30] >> 66

[2:20:34] >> Okay. So standard.

[2:20:36] >> All right.

[2:20:37] >> Yeah. The yellow didn't show up very

[2:20:38] well. Change the color.

[2:20:41] >> Yeah. We'll change it to black next

[2:20:43] time, but we just wanted to see. But if

[2:20:45] this is something that we feel like we

[2:20:47] get support from state from city

[2:20:48] council, we'll we'll proceed with it and

[2:20:50] then we'll be back with the uh MDA and

[2:20:54] the the concept.

[2:20:56] >> Um I I mean I know you've been

[2:20:58] frustrated at times. It's been a long

[2:20:59] process, but I think this is a a good

[2:21:02] give and take for the city to get those

[2:21:04] roads that we need. And it's 5% off, so

[2:21:08] I'm I'm a I'm a go on it.

[2:21:11] >> Okay. 5% off and we're not taking from

[2:21:14] the existing residents.

[2:21:15] >> Yeah.

[2:21:16] >> Um

[2:21:17] >> and we're not increasing the density in

[2:21:19] any way.

[2:21:20] >> Nope.

[2:21:21] >> Just percent. And there's been there's

[2:21:24] been times where we've had um concept

[2:21:28] plans come in and even final PL plans

[2:21:30] where they've adjusted here and there

[2:21:32] with square footage wise and just

[2:21:34] doesn't work out. And I mean this is a

[2:21:36] little bit more than what we've seen in

[2:21:38] the past. This is How many lots are

[2:21:40] there in black? Probably

[2:21:43] >> 50 plus.

[2:21:46] [clears throat]

[2:21:47] >> I counted them. Um 53.

[2:21:50] >> Yeah. And there's 75 that are half and a lot of them are over at half acre.

[2:21:56] They're 53 or so. So it's a nice mix.

[2:22:03] » Thank you for your efforts.

[2:22:04] >> All right.

[2:22:04] >> Any other direction for him tonight?

[2:22:08] >> No. Okay. Thank you.

[2:22:09] >> Thank you.

[2:22:12] » All right. Moving on to item number 11.

[2:22:15] A discussion and council direction of

[2:22:18] the town homes on Willow sidewalks.

[2:22:25] » Before we turn the time over to Barry,

[2:22:27] um I just wanted to who's got going to

[2:22:29] do the bulk of that?

[2:22:32] I just wanted to say that uh Sean has

[2:22:34] been very patient working with us. um

[2:22:38] trying to I mean this is his project

[2:22:40] that's being held up and we've tried to

[2:22:43] get answers for him and and work with

[2:22:45] him. Um we've met with him out on site

[2:22:48] several times and he's been very

[2:22:49] gracious about uh working with staff and

[2:22:52] with property owners trying to get to a

[2:22:54] good resolution on this. Um and uh just

[2:22:58] wanted to say publicly thank you to Sean

[2:23:01] for uh being willing to work with us on

[2:23:04] these things and being patient as we try

[2:23:05] to figure these things out. So, uh, just

[2:23:07] wanted to make that comment and then let

[2:23:10] Barry take it over.

[2:23:15] » Do you want to say anything?

[2:23:18] >> Go for it. I'll say it afterwards.

[2:23:20] [laughter] Anything you miss? I doubt

[2:23:21] you will.

[2:23:24] Well, um

[2:23:27] I think the whole well my goal is is to

[2:23:32] demonstrate to the council the

[2:23:34] conditions of Willow Street from Dery to

[2:23:37] Maine and incorporate with that the

[2:23:41] plans of we just had this, you know,

[2:23:44] this transportation plan yesterday and

[2:23:47] Willow Street is is a already considered

[2:23:51] a collector road and it's continued to

[2:23:54] be a collector road. Um, and so with

[2:23:58] this development, sorry, I'm just so I

[2:24:02] can keep track of my own thoughts here.

[2:24:05] Just going to log in.

[2:24:08] Um, and so there's been a lot of

[2:24:11] discussion about what the rightway is

[2:24:13] and what it should be in the future and is it all going to work together? Um

[2:24:19] there's a memo in here about

[2:24:21] originally we we had questions about can

[2:24:24] this sidewalk in particular be in a

[2:24:27] different location because there are se

[2:24:29] you know three residents south of this

[2:24:31] project that their front yards are being

[2:24:33] impacted. You know they've put in their

[2:24:35] grass and some landscaping rocks and we

[2:24:37] just wanted to confirm that where the

[2:24:39] sidewalk is planned to be is in the

[2:24:41] correct location and we have verified

[2:24:44] that. Um there's also discussion about

[2:24:47] do we need the park strip and what kind

[2:24:49] of curb and gutter and and a bunch of

[2:24:52] things. And so um one thing that I just

[2:24:56] want to point out is the town homes on

[2:24:58] Willow is a planned unit development and

[2:25:01] there are certain conditions that were

[2:25:02] placed on the development as part of the

[2:25:04] approval and one of those conditions is specifically written that the

[2:25:10] sidewalk should be at the west boundary

[2:25:11] of the rideway and some other things. So

[2:25:14] when it was asked of me if we could make

[2:25:16] a change, you know, I discovered these

[2:25:18] things and and frankly I said I I can't

[2:25:20] bypass what what the conditions of the

[2:25:23] city council were were put on the

[2:25:25] project and and do something different

[2:25:27] without

[2:25:29] unless it was dee deemed you know some

[2:25:31] minor change. And so that's one question

[2:25:34] I guess. But um so there's there's that

[2:25:37] there's benefits of having the sidewalk

[2:25:39] be where it is separated from from the

[2:25:42] curb and gutter. Um there's a multiple

[2:25:46] number of reasons why and I don't know

[2:25:47] if it's detailed in this memo. I don't

[2:25:50] know if you've read through it, if you

[2:25:51] have any questions about that, but um so

[2:25:55] there are benefits. There are, you know,

[2:25:57] safety reasons to consider that with

[2:26:01] where the lane configuration is antic

[2:26:04] anticipated to be in the future and the

[2:26:06] sidewalks and the proximity of the

[2:26:08] school plus all these town homes comes

[2:26:10] into play in this situation where we

[2:26:13] really need to think about pedestrians

[2:26:16] in this area versus vehicles. And and so

[2:26:19] there is a benefit of separation.

[2:26:21] There's a benefit of a highback curb

[2:26:23] for, you know, just alerting an errant

[2:26:26] driver before they might get into a

[2:26:28] sidewalk. Um

[2:26:31] there's a lot of things that are being

[2:26:33] considered here, I guess. But but mainly

[2:26:35] I I wanted to point out that

[2:26:38] I felt like I couldn't make a decision

[2:26:40] about where the sidewalk or curbon

[2:26:41] gutter could go because it was

[2:26:43] specifically outlined in a in a

[2:26:46] resolution. So that's in here. Um

[2:26:51] the next thing that was kind of just to explore ideas was well can we make it

[2:26:55] a a different kind of curb and gutter

[2:26:58] and leave the sidewalk where it needs to

[2:27:00] be so that you know maybe um there's

[2:27:04] some grading, some elevation challenges

[2:27:07] with the just sloping the road how it

[2:27:09] should be done and then where people's

[2:27:11] driveways are at. So, I looked at that

[2:27:13] and and there is a minimal um elevation

[2:27:17] gain to doing a a modified curb and

[2:27:19] gutter, but you give up a bunch of

[2:27:22] capacity and conveyance of of storm

[2:27:24] water. Um that's if you want to go down,

[2:27:30] keep going, and we can go back to some

[2:27:32] of these things. So, I highlighted there

[2:27:34] where this was a memo that talked about,

[2:27:37] you know, put the sidewalk curb and

[2:27:38] gutter aligned on the west rightway

[2:27:40] line. So, I didn't feel like I could

[2:27:43] bypass that language. Um, keep going

[2:27:46] down [clears throat] and and this was

[2:27:48] just more of the resolution that was

[2:27:52] made when this was approved. Talks about

[2:27:55] the sidewalk. Um, if you keep going

[2:27:57] down,

[2:27:59] this is just hydraulic analysis of a

[2:28:00] different kind of a curb. Um, so that

[2:28:03] was the modified type. And if you keep

[2:28:06] going down, um, that's the traditional

[2:28:09] standard

[2:28:10] city standard curb and gutter. Um, so I

[2:28:14] did some hydraulic analysis here. If you keep going down, I can't remember

[2:28:17] the number off the top of my head, but

[2:28:18] this is the modified number. Um, it can

[2:28:22] flow 5.6 CFS at its fullest, you know,

[2:28:26] at when the water level is at the top of

[2:28:28] the curb versus if you keep going down.

[2:28:30] So 5.6 six versus

[2:28:33] keep going till the next page. Keep

[2:28:36] going. Uh 10.75 right there. So, it's a

[2:28:40] trade-off. If you go to this modified

[2:28:43] curb, you're you're giving up some

[2:28:44] capacity to say convey minor and and

[2:28:48] significant storm events that that may

[2:28:50] run in the street in the future. So

[2:28:53] those were these are just engineering

[2:28:56] background information

[2:28:58] um and and questions that came up. What

[2:29:01] can we do? Can we do something

[2:29:02] different? You know, because we are kind

[2:29:04] of uh unfortunately when the subdivision

[2:29:07] that these three lots that are south of

[2:29:10] this development were put in, you know,

[2:29:12] they they didn't do the curb gutter and stuff at that time. And so then

[2:29:16] people build their driveways to what the

[2:29:17] street is. And so they kind of sit low

[2:29:20] where if you put in a curbon gutter,

[2:29:22] they would have been a little higher.

[2:29:23] So, and then it just, you know, that's

[2:29:25] just kind of the natural thing. And so

[2:29:27] there just are some grade challenges at

[2:29:29] the back of the sidewalk that that need

[2:29:31] to be I mean they're part of the

[2:29:32] consideration and part of the questions.

[2:29:36] Um and [clears throat] then just what

[2:29:39] just more explanation of what's next in these documents is just a futuristic

[2:29:45] look of of what Willow Street would be

[2:29:48] if we you know consider it to be a

[2:29:50] collector street which is a minor

[2:29:54] collector here with three lanes um one

[2:29:56] in each direction with this center turn

[2:29:58] lane that you know then intersections

[2:29:59] could be configured differently but um

[2:30:04] so here at this in the top. You can see,

[2:30:07] maybe it isn't clear to you, but it's a

[2:30:09] currently a 60 ft ride ofway. When the

[2:30:12] town homes on Willow Development came

[2:30:14] in, the standard road section calls for

[2:30:17] a 66 ft ride of way. So that's 33 ft on

[2:30:22] their half of the road, right? So

[2:30:24] there's a 3-ft difference between the

[2:30:26] existing 30ft half width and the 33 foot

[2:30:30] half width, which is our current

[2:30:32] standard. So here in the green you can

[2:30:34] see where the sidewalk is is planned to

[2:30:36] jog and and the park strip widened by 3

[2:30:38] ft. Um that's the current plan and

[2:30:42] that's what's been approved. These are

[2:30:44] approved construction drawings.

[2:30:47] Um

[2:30:49] and yeah, if you go kind of at the

[2:30:52] bottom there would need to be a

[2:30:54] transition back to the 60oot rideway or

[2:30:57] the 30 foot half width. Um and where

[2:31:01] that development particularly did that

[2:31:03] is in the park strip. You went from 6

[2:31:05] 1/2 ft to 3 1/2 ft. And um so this plan,

[2:31:10] this concept here um shows the road,

[2:31:14] futuristic road within the 60 ft ride

[2:31:16] ofway. And again, it's a lane in each

[2:31:19] direction with a potential center turn

[2:31:22] lane. Um there's only a two-ft shoulder

[2:31:25] before you get to the curb and gutter

[2:31:27] and then only a three and a half foot

[2:31:28] park strip with a five foot sidewalk. Um

[2:31:31] but it but it's doable in plan view.

[2:31:35] There's also you know things to consider

[2:31:37] grades and and stuff like that. So, um,

[2:31:41] but

[2:31:43] the intent of these drawings is just to

[2:31:45] show what it what it could be long term

[2:31:48] if we if we just build out what's

[2:31:51] planned and and push it all the way

[2:31:54] through from this development north to

[2:31:56] Main Street just to demonstrate that

[2:31:58] that's what it would would look like and

[2:32:00] that that's the potential and that's

[2:32:01] what it's planned to be. um according to

[2:32:04] our transportation master plan just a

[2:32:07] lane in each direction with a potential

[2:32:09] you know left turn lane so that you know

[2:32:12] you don't get the queueing and the

[2:32:13] backup for the through lanes. So, um

[2:32:19] there there's a lot of um questions that

[2:32:23] have been asked about this and these are

[2:32:24] just some things that I that have been

[2:32:27] brought up and my analysis of the

[2:32:29] situation and what the benefits and

[2:32:31] trade-offs may be. I don't know if I

[2:32:34] need to say any more but um other than

[2:32:38] you can see if you go to the this bottom

[2:32:40] sheet and then maybe the next sheet I am

[2:32:43] showing a 25 ft which is the the zoning

[2:32:46] regulation here uh 25 ft front yard

[2:32:50] setback and you can see that most of the houses are placed right at that line

[2:32:56] and so if we were to go in here and

[2:32:58] widen out Willow Street to get something

[2:33:02] wider

[2:33:03] you know, we're really kind of shrinking

[2:33:05] up people's front yards quite a bit. And

[2:33:08] then, you know, we're maybe in that

[2:33:09] situation where we're eminent domaining

[2:33:12] these properties.

[2:33:12] >> Back to the unpopular thing.

[2:33:14] So,

[2:33:16] >> is too narrow.

[2:33:17] >> Like, if somebody's parked on the side

[2:33:19] of the road [laughter] and two vehicles

[2:33:20] are passing, it's already almost an

[2:33:22] issue. Yeah. So,

[2:33:23] >> and part of that is because of the

[2:33:25] pavement width isn't

[2:33:26] >> right

[2:33:27] >> exactly what what it would be in this

[2:33:29] scenario. the pavement widths only ft

[2:33:32] but you also have people street

[2:33:36] >> maybe even less you know in in places.

[2:33:39] So, um [clears throat] I think the

[2:33:42] outcome to this is or or I I think where

[2:33:47] the town homes on Willow development

[2:33:49] wants solid direction is is he putting

[2:33:53] in the curb gutter where it needs to go?

[2:33:55] What kind of curb gutter is it? Is the

[2:33:57] sidewalk going per the plan? Because you

[2:33:59] there's been some questions is, you

[2:34:01] know, can we do something different?

[2:34:02] What are the options? And

[2:34:04] [clears throat] so, you know, he's

[2:34:06] getting to the point where once school

[2:34:08] gets out, this road is going to be

[2:34:10] completed and and done. And we're trying

[2:34:13] to wait till then just to avoid all the

[2:34:16] traffic of the elementary school on this

[2:34:18] road.

[2:34:20] And so, um,

[2:34:22] >> then the other one was his set pack

[2:34:24] whether it's goes six feet for the 32.

[2:34:26] >> Yeah. So if if the I mean you can see

[2:34:29] here that if the majority of the road is

[2:34:32] 60 ft

[2:34:34] you know for his development the

[2:34:36] standard at the time was a 33 ft half

[2:34:38] width so it the park strip got wider. So

[2:34:41] if the rest of the street isn't going to

[2:34:43] be that way do we want his portion of

[2:34:46] the street to have that wider park

[2:34:48] strip? So that's the other question.

[2:34:52] And you know there there are benefits to

[2:34:55] that perceived and real of of separation

[2:34:58] of you know pedestrians but that goes

[2:35:00] away once you get south of the of this

[2:35:02] project anyways before you get to Dery.

[2:35:04] And so um it it doesn't offer any more

[2:35:08] parking. It doesn't you know do anything

[2:35:10] for the drainage. It's just more park

[2:35:13] space or park strip space where, you

[2:35:15] know, plantings and signage and things

[2:35:18] like that are placed, snow, other

[2:35:21] considerations. Um, but yeah,

[2:35:25] that's that's another question.

[2:35:29] >> What was the curbing gutter approved?

[2:35:32] >> The Was it a cat the 6inch highback or

[2:35:35] was it it was a cat? Okay. So, was

[2:35:37] wasn't push?

[2:35:39] No,

[2:35:40] >> just the standard patch.

[2:35:41] >> This one.

[2:35:42] >> Correct. That one.

[2:35:49] » And you know,

[2:35:53] some of the the residents there have

[2:35:54] expressed that they don't even want a

[2:35:57] park strip and what are they going to

[2:35:58] do? What can they do with the park

[2:36:00] strip? They're going to be maintaining

[2:36:01] it. Um some of those things. And so

[2:36:05] those are real, you know, in any case

[2:36:08] for any resident on the street, that's a

[2:36:11] consideration of 3 and 1/2 ft. What do

[2:36:13] you do with that? I mean, maybe you can

[2:36:15] put some plantings in it that, you know,

[2:36:17] some shrubs that you can drip irrigate

[2:36:18] and they can survive.

[2:36:21] Does it need to be, you know, stamped

[2:36:24] concrete that nothing grows in?

[2:36:26] You haven't done that in the city

[2:36:28] anywhere. I don't know that know of

[2:36:29] [clears throat] anyways but those are

[2:36:31] other questions that that have come up

[2:36:36] and with that in mind because I said

[2:36:38] that the development has a an approved

[2:36:42] construction set so technically

[2:36:45] for their interests they could go and

[2:36:47] build what's been approved but he's been

[2:36:49] good enough to consider the residents

[2:36:51] and just what's good for the city and is

[2:36:54] it cohesive and and those things so

[2:36:56] kudos to to Sean for bringing up this

[2:36:59] and being able to hear the the voice of

[2:37:01] a residents and and just bringing up

[2:37:03] these concerns to make sure that they're

[2:37:04] not, you know, he could just go go get

[2:37:07] in there and plow through it and be done

[2:37:09] and whatever. So,

[2:37:14] » so I guess we're looking for direction

[2:37:17] on the width in front of his property,

[2:37:19] whether we keep it at six feet or 3

[2:37:21] feet, whether we change the highback

[2:37:24] curb to a roll back curb or keep it as

[2:37:27] is, and whether we adjust the sidewalk

[2:37:29] at all or keep that as is.

[2:37:31] >> Is that property designed to cap capture

[2:37:34] any water on it?

[2:37:35] >> Yes.

[2:37:37] >> Which property are you? uh the new

[2:37:39] developed property.

[2:37:40] >> Yeah.

[2:37:41] >> So,

[2:37:42] >> it's it's picking up.

[2:37:43] >> So, is it dumping into a drain? Is is

[2:37:46] there an inlet somewhere along Willow

[2:37:49] that's taking water on or is that just

[2:37:51] pushing water down the roadway?

[2:37:53] >> The way it was designed and approved is

[2:37:55] there's no inlets or or piping

[2:37:58] >> anywhere in Willow Street and it just

[2:37:59] runs into that development.

[2:38:00] >> All those highback curves are going to

[2:38:02] push water down Willow.

[2:38:04] >> Yes.

[2:38:04] >> Okay.

[2:38:06] I mean from Dury to this development for

[2:38:09] sure. Beyond that I don't there's

[2:38:11] nothing there's nothing.

[2:38:12] >> Yes that's that's that's what I'm

[2:38:13] concerned about.

[2:38:15] >> Yeah there are I believe on the three

[2:38:17] homes that are facing this there is a

[2:38:22] what do you have Jody Larry? What what

[2:38:24] is there? There's big sums on my place

[2:38:27] at Doug Eeks in the ground there that

[2:38:30] >> when the [clears throat] father-in-law

[2:38:31] built that the city made it put in two

[2:38:34] grade.

[2:38:35] >> So they're like the ground swell. No,

[2:38:37] they're

[2:38:40] >> 20 ft

[2:38:40] >> below grade,

[2:38:45] » but there it is a swell system and and

[2:38:47] you know when a development I don't I

[2:38:49] haven't looked at the background on that

[2:38:51] but typically when those are put in

[2:38:53] they're sized for their development

[2:38:56] only really. I don't know what was done

[2:38:58] there. I can't say for certain that it

[2:39:00] wasn't different, but that's the typical

[2:39:03] standard is

[2:39:05] you take care of your own water.

[2:39:09] And Jake, to to speak more about the

[2:39:12] highback curb going down Willow, when it

[2:39:14] gets to the northern road here of this

[2:39:17] development, it is running into the

[2:39:19] development and it's not, you know,

[2:39:22] blowing past or whatever. It goes into

[2:39:23] the development and it's captured there.

[2:39:25] Okay.

[2:39:26] Because there is water retention Sean in

[2:39:29] your

[2:39:30] >> Yeah, I saw them. I saw inside all the

[2:39:33] storm drain going in inside. I was just

[2:39:34] wondering if there was anything outside

[2:39:36] and no just sheet flow into the

[2:39:38] development basically. So they're taking

[2:39:40] on Willow Street water and holding it.

[2:39:43] >> That area is so unique because the

[2:39:46] residents on the east side, all of those

[2:39:48] homes are below the roadway, which is al

[2:39:50] which is a major no. Um uh you know, but

[2:39:55] obviously those are some of the oldest

[2:39:57] homes in in Grantsville. Um but that's

[2:40:02] usually a major no. You don't want

[2:40:04] anything below the you want everything

[2:40:05] above the roadway. So you don't have

[2:40:07] water, you know, if we have a major rain

[2:40:09] event. And so I I we had that sidewalk

[2:40:12] that was built on that side of the

[2:40:14] roadway. And I think there was an effort

[2:40:16] there from the city to raise that

[2:40:18] substantially to try to create a curb on

[2:40:22] that side of the road. So, so to speak.

[2:40:25] Um,

[2:40:28] » I guess I would ask I mean is there a

[2:40:31] cost difference between the two? And

[2:40:34] that's maybe more of a question for

[2:40:35] Sean.

[2:40:36] >> Can I give you a couple my thoughts

[2:40:38] considerations? So, this is why I'm

[2:40:40] saying pause. If you look at what we

[2:40:43] have here,

[2:40:44] so this is what I have to do. Let me

[2:40:46] flare this road out. And it's going to

[2:40:47] go right here. So this road's going to

[2:40:49] stay here. So if you drop down one more

[2:40:56] » if it helps.

[2:40:58] >> I can plug in and just drive on a CAD

[2:41:00] map.

[2:41:01] >> So th this right here needs to be

[2:41:02] considered. Are you really going to

[2:41:05] design this road so that those front

[2:41:07] yards are 15 ft? And this needs to be

[2:41:10] the time of consideration. I understand

[2:41:12] the road's narrow, but all you're

[2:41:14] creating with the 66 foot rideway that

[2:41:16] we have all through town is, hey, we'd

[2:41:19] like you to park on the side of the

[2:41:20] roads and we'll still drive down the

[2:41:22] narrow. And that's what needs to be

[2:41:24] planned out. And that's what we need to

[2:41:25] plan out better whole city non-stop. We

[2:41:28] just keep looking at little sections and

[2:41:30] doing that and that's it. Instead of

[2:41:32] like go going, hey, let's look at the

[2:41:34] whole zone here. What's the best for the

[2:41:37] citizens that have been here forever?

[2:41:40] And that's that's what I ask here,

[2:41:41] right? Because I could just put it in,

[2:41:43] but I I'm just

[2:41:45] tired of not planning it out, not doing

[2:41:48] it right, not looking out for what

[2:41:50] should be. So that's my two cents.

[2:41:53] Costwise, it's going to be the same.

[2:41:55] You're going to you're going to shuffle

[2:41:56] it. I've already curved cro cost by not

[2:41:59] doing it while we were there. Once

[2:42:01] again, I just want it to be right. And

[2:42:04] so narrowing that road, dragging my

[2:42:06] roads out further, planning for the

[2:42:09] future, that could be 20 years from now

[2:42:12] based off your budget, but it should

[2:42:14] still be planned now.

[2:42:18] » Okay.

[2:42:20] Can I point something out that just

[2:42:22] >> from the aerial Let me point up on this.

[2:42:27] >> Just because rooftops show up in Oh, you

[2:42:29] can see this home right there on the

[2:42:32] north side of you can kind of see how

[2:42:34] the wall is is tipped like this. You can

[2:42:36] see the windows and stuff. So, the roof

[2:42:38] is kind of in the image is slanted this

[2:42:40] way.

[2:42:42] It doesn't happen everywhere because

[2:42:44] they're stitching images together, but

[2:42:47] it does right here in this area. But for

[2:42:49] the most part, most of these homes are

[2:42:50] set back at that 25 ft from the rightway

[2:42:54] boundary.

[2:42:59] I mean, I I walked this road with Sean

[2:43:02] um went and looked at everything and

[2:43:04] measured. I mean, if you do the full

[2:43:07] width that we're making Shawn do on that

[2:43:09] south end all the way through, neighbors

[2:43:12] are literally walking out of their house

[2:43:14] and there's the curb and gutter and then

[2:43:15] the road on some of these these

[2:43:17] properties. So, it doesn't make sense to

[2:43:20] me to have it narrow on one end and then

[2:43:23] flare out to this giant road on the on

[2:43:26] the south end. And and then it the

[2:43:28] elevation with the the sidewalks and

[2:43:30] what the three houses on that side are

[2:43:32] going to have to deal with. I think the

[2:43:34] narrower road so they can blend it in

[2:43:35] better um would be the better route to

[2:43:38] go on this

[2:43:42] blend into their sidewalk. So because

[2:43:43] it's a it's quite the elevation change

[2:43:47] jump on that and getting in and out of

[2:43:49] those driveways are going to be fun.

[2:43:53] » [clears throat]

[2:43:54] >> So with that, the the plan that's been

[2:43:58] we had the developments engineer kind of

[2:44:01] look at the grades on those driveways

[2:44:03] and and just give a a better plan to

[2:44:06] transition. So, if the sidewalk stays

[2:44:08] where it is per the plan at the

[2:44:10] elevation, they would have to cut back

[2:44:13] on some driveways, you know, remove some

[2:44:15] of their concrete and make a transition

[2:44:18] back to the back of the sidewalk so that

[2:44:20] it's not kink like that. You know what I

[2:44:22] mean? But it does be it goes down and

[2:44:25] then especially rats and then the

[2:44:29] eekens.

[2:44:33] » I

[2:44:35] remake that.

[2:44:36] >> Are you sure that it goes back down?

[2:44:38] >> Yeah.

[2:44:40] And they put [clears throat] me at rest.

[2:44:43] It was like 1 point something

[2:44:48] and then about in the middle of about

[2:44:50] 610.

[2:44:54] » [clears throat]

[2:44:58] » Yeah, if you're walking on that sidewalk

[2:45:00] and miss it, fall into R's yard, that's

[2:45:03] [laughter] going to break a leg.

[2:45:05] >> I'm accusing myself of discussing this

[2:45:07] so because it affects me. So, you guys

[2:45:10] hash it out and I have faith that you'll

[2:45:12] make the right decision.

[2:45:14] >> I honestly I feel like I'm not super

[2:45:16] familiar with it. I feel like maybe I

[2:45:17] need to go look at it. I drive a little

[2:45:18] a lot, but I don't pay attention. But I feel like what we're saying is we

[2:45:22] don't want to take poo driveways by

[2:45:24] doing

[2:45:24] >> police.

[2:45:25] >> Well, the question is is

[2:45:28] >> do we address a width issue now or do we

[2:45:30] address it later really? Right. And how

[2:45:33] we address it.

[2:45:34] >> And we're trying to basically uniform

[2:45:36] the road because we've got a small

[2:45:37] portion here trying to mix it with a

[2:45:39] portion that's already there. So we're

[2:45:40] trying to figure out how to do that.

[2:45:41] >> So the way it was approved is was at 66,

[2:45:44] right? So the question is are we

[2:45:46] >> for the for the town homes development

[2:45:48] south is the 33 foot half width but then

[2:45:51] they also have this portion that goes

[2:45:53] from their development south to Dery

[2:45:56] Street that narrows down to the 30 foot

[2:45:58] half width

[2:46:01] and that's how it's

[2:46:03] >> in the resolution and on the plan and

[2:46:06] >> so then on the town homes you want

[2:46:08] >> 36 to 30 we're going

[2:46:09] >> yes

[2:46:10] >> question is

[2:46:10] >> so do you want to move the park strip to

[2:46:12] from 6T to 3 ft. Three and a half ft to

[2:46:15] make it consistent across the road width

[2:46:20] on that portion. [clears throat]

[2:46:29] I think we shorten it

[2:46:33] the parks.

[2:46:35] >> Yeah. I I mean the old way to be honest

[2:46:38] like I don't know. We do have some

[2:46:40] residents in here. I kind of defer to

[2:46:44] the park strip question. Probably would

[2:46:45] be more of what seems like shortening

[2:46:48] would solve

[2:46:51] >> would be better.

[2:46:53] >> Well, the only place that it would

[2:46:54] shorten would be in the town homes

[2:46:56] frontage.

[2:46:57] >> It's already shortened in everywhere

[2:46:59] else.

[2:47:00] >> In front.

[2:47:00] >> Yeah. It would already be the three and

[2:47:03] a half ft everywhere else. So

[2:47:06] the question of shortening the park

[2:47:08] strip doesn't affect any existing

[2:47:10] residents. It's

[2:47:12] >> the town home development frontage.

[2:47:13] >> How's it going to align with what?

[2:47:15] >> Yeah. You know,

[2:47:15] >> and then to be clear and that whether we

[2:47:18] want to change the curve to the roll

[2:47:20] back curve, which again that increases

[2:47:22] the city's risk and that's why we're

[2:47:23] here to council because any risk that we

[2:47:25] increase council has to make that

[2:47:27] decision. And again they have the sumps,

[2:47:30] the different things to collect the

[2:47:31] water in those areas. Do we want to do

[2:47:33] the roll back curb for those in front of

[2:47:35] their houses because that way they can

[2:47:38] get in and out a lot easier for them as

[2:47:41] opposed to the highback curb.

[2:47:43] >> Do we need the park strip though at all?

[2:47:45] Like what's the what's

[2:47:46] >> the park your your mailboxes and your

[2:47:50] meters?

[2:47:52] >> You're going to you can imagine you got

[2:47:54] to get up from from pavement grade to

[2:47:56] sidewalk grade.

[2:47:59] And are you just going to drive over a

[2:48:01] 6-in curb every time you get in? So, you

[2:48:04] need the park strip distance to ramp up

[2:48:07] to get to the sidewalk elevation.

[2:48:11] In any case, so we looked at that as

[2:48:14] well. Can we just put it the sidewalk

[2:48:17] over against the curbon gutter, but then

[2:48:18] you got to bounce it back so you have

[2:48:20] that ramping distance through the park

[2:48:22] strip to get up to sidewalk level and where you can keep your water in

[2:48:27] your roadway because otherwise water

[2:48:30] comes down Willow Street and it goes

[2:48:32] into private property. Now, that's the

[2:48:33] liability that we're talking about. Um,

[2:48:36] so we need the sidewalk to stay high or

[2:48:39] the curb to stay high to keep the water

[2:48:42] from the street in the street.

[2:48:44] So, the park strip offers that ramping,

[2:48:48] makes it traversible to get in the

[2:48:49] driveway. If you do a mountable curb, a modified, you're still going to have

[2:48:53] this 4in bump instead of a 6-in bump. I

[2:48:57] would argue that the ramp is a better

[2:49:00] driveway than the mountable curve. And

[2:49:05] >> I mean, people can go and drive this.

[2:49:06] >> Maybe I'm I'm taking looking at it

[2:49:08] wrong. So, do we need the 60 foot? Do we

[2:49:11] need that road to be 60 foot when the

[2:49:13] north end's 45 in some places, 53 in

[2:49:17] some? Like why can't we just be

[2:49:20] consistent the whole way and make and

[2:49:22] then reclassify this not as a as a

[2:49:24] arterial road because

[2:49:26] >> so sorry I don't mean to cut you off but

[2:49:29] I just wanted to it is 60 feet

[2:49:31] everywhere.

[2:49:32] >> It's not at the north end. It's like 45.

[2:49:35] >> No, it's 60.

[2:49:39] I mean, I can plug in my my computer and

[2:49:41] we can look at at maps. And I mean, if

[2:49:44] >> you're talking about two different

[2:49:45] things, you're talking right away.

[2:49:46] >> Yeah.

[2:49:46] >> And you're talking what's physical

[2:49:48] there. You guys need to look at what's

[2:49:49] physically there.

[2:49:50] >> Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Physical

[2:49:52] road. It should be

[2:49:52] >> talking about right away.

[2:49:54] >> Yeah. I'm saying the physical road

[2:49:55] should be consistent from north to

[2:49:57] south.

[2:49:58] >> Yeah. I mean, if we did change the

[2:50:00] rideway and the physical road, then

[2:50:02] obviously we would adjust the road width

[2:50:04] at that mouth when we redid that portion

[2:50:07] of the road.

[2:50:07] >> Yeah. and widen it to our current ride

[2:50:10] of weight. But so right now, you're

[2:50:11] right, it is very narrow right there.

[2:50:14] But if we did redo the road there with

[2:50:16] in our right

[2:50:17] >> talk about on the north end or Yes. on

[2:50:19] the north.

[2:50:19] >> I know. But I'm saying it's that's never

[2:50:21] going to happen. And if it does, it's

[2:50:22] going to be a long ways away. I just

[2:50:25] think that road just 45 feet or whatever

[2:50:28] it is now just consistent the whole way.

[2:50:31] >> You're going to widen it. And you're

[2:50:32] we're talking about the kids from the twin the the town homes or whatever.

[2:50:37] All that is is asking for higher speeds,

[2:50:40] faster cars.

[2:50:43] >> Please feel free to try.

[2:50:47] >> So

[2:50:48] >> if you do, then you have to go take

[2:50:50] these people on the north ends, their

[2:50:51] front yards. And like I said, you

[2:50:53] literally walk out and you're on the

[2:50:55] sidewalk.

[2:50:55] >> I think that's misleading because that's

[2:50:57] not true. We wouldn't widen the ride

[2:50:59] ofway anywhere. We would build to the

[2:51:01] rightway.

[2:51:02] >> We would build to the rightway and their

[2:51:03] front yards would be

[2:51:04] >> a right to build to. That's why it's

[2:51:07] called a rideway. I the the the question

[2:51:10] in my mind is I mean there are probably

[2:51:13] some areas on that northern portion

[2:51:16] where people have things out past that

[2:51:20] are in the right way. I would I would

[2:51:22] assume and that's why it probably

[2:51:24] >> feels tighter than it actually is.

[2:51:27] So, I I've done some some survey

[2:51:29] research. You can see my CAD on the

[2:51:33] screen, but I've pulled in surveys from,

[2:51:36] you know, other other things that show

[2:51:38] here's the rideway. Um, this development

[2:51:42] itself. I don't know why it's glitching,

[2:51:43] but

[2:51:45] anyway, it and then this Legacy Lane

[2:51:48] project that's here,

[2:51:50] it's 60 ft from Willow, I mean from Dery

[2:51:55] to Maine. That's the existing rideway

[2:51:57] width, 60 feet. The only place where it

[2:52:00] would be different would be at the town

[2:52:01] home's frontage where it would widen by

[2:52:03] three feet. We would get 63 feet.

[2:52:07] And the road lanes wouldn't change at

[2:52:09] all. The park strip is the only thing

[2:52:11] that would be different in that area.

[2:52:12] Otherwise, it's the same from Dery to

[2:52:16] Maine. And it's 60 ft wide right away

[2:52:19] existing.

[2:52:20] We wouldn't be taking anybody's

[2:52:21] property. We wouldn't be doing anything.

[2:52:23] And we would just be building within our

[2:52:25] existing rightway.

[2:52:27] >> I get that. But I'm talking about the existing road. We're going to go

[2:52:31] from 45 ft that it currently is on the

[2:52:33] north end and we're going to widen it

[2:52:34] out to 60 or 66, whatever we decide.

[2:52:37] >> Where did you get 45 ft?

[2:52:39] >> That's what the asphalt is right now.

[2:52:41] I'm not saying the rightway. That's

[2:52:42] what's currently asphalt on 45

[2:52:46] feet more than what our standard is.

[2:52:49] curb to curb the main streets where

[2:52:54] » up here

[2:52:55] >> because the willow apartments they jog

[2:52:57] in make it a little smaller.

[2:52:59] >> It's hard to see where it is and I don't

[2:53:01] have a survey on it but but I think

[2:53:03] that's maybe a misleading um dimension.

[2:53:09] I get that maybe there's some curbs here

[2:53:11] and I don't know what they are to be

[2:53:13] honest. Our

[2:53:15] curb to curb, what our standard would be

[2:53:17] and what we would build here is 38 ft of

[2:53:21] asphalt plus curb and gutter

[2:53:24] all the way through.

[2:53:26] And that wouldn't change whether it gets

[2:53:28] to the town homes or not. It would be 38

[2:53:30] ft the whole way. The only thing that

[2:53:32] would be different is the park strip. We

[2:53:34] would just fit this three-lane collector

[2:53:36] road which is on our transportation

[2:53:38] master plan. And it may not be 20 years.

[2:53:41] I think I don't know when it was, but it

[2:53:45] it's on that list of improvement

[2:53:47] projects. I don't remember where it was,

[2:53:49] what years, but anyway, it's in there.

[2:53:52] >> Yeah, but Willow's a there's a lot of

[2:53:55] traffic that goes up Willow. So, I mean,

[2:53:57] it it's got South Willow above it, you

[2:54:00] know, and they get there from other

[2:54:01] areas like some come down Dery and

[2:54:04] >> Yep. No, but

[2:54:06] >> so we can call it what we want, but it's

[2:54:08] really what are people using it for

[2:54:10] unless we

[2:54:11] >> Right.

[2:54:12] >> I don't know what we would do to have

[2:54:14] people, you know, put in a a median

[2:54:16] barrier and dirty or something so it

[2:54:18] wouldn't be a collector road. It

[2:54:20] wouldn't get used except for local

[2:54:21] residents. I mean, those are things that

[2:54:23] can be done, but that's not what our

[2:54:25] planning suggests or recommends. And

[2:54:30] I mean, not not that we can't change,

[2:54:32] right? that this this drawing and what

[2:54:36] was presented as far as the drawing goes

[2:54:37] is just to demonstrate what the

[2:54:39] futuristic whether it's 20 years away or

[2:54:42] 10 or 15 or whatever it is. This is what

[2:54:45] could fit in the current rideway

[2:54:49] and it would match the transportation

[2:54:51] master plan that we have that you guys

[2:54:53] saw yesterday

[2:54:57] with a lane in each direction and a

[2:54:59] center turn lane.

[2:55:04] But you're right, Derek. You could give

[2:55:05] up that right away and keep the road and

[2:55:07] narrow it down to what it looks right

[2:55:08] now. But that would be a council choice

[2:55:10] that they do that to that road.

[2:55:13] >> That's what I'm saying. That's narrow

[2:55:14] down the road. That's my that be my

[2:55:17] recommendation.

[2:55:19] >> I think staff's recommendation is to

[2:55:21] keep the the right way as is.

[2:55:24] >> If as long as you're pardon,

[2:55:26] >> sorry, go ahead. No, as long as you're

[2:55:28] aware that if you narrow it now, you

[2:55:31] can't fit a lane in each direction with

[2:55:32] the center turn lane. You're only going

[2:55:33] to have a lane in each direction.

[2:55:34] >> Then we're going to have to find another

[2:55:35] alternative collector.

[2:55:37] >> Yeah. And I think that's throughout the

[2:55:39] wheel. Find find a different north

[2:55:40] south.

[2:55:41] >> That's another cost to add to where what

[2:55:43] that would be. And then the build cost

[2:55:44] of doing that.

[2:55:46] >> I see. I Yeah, I don't I don't agree

[2:55:49] with that. I think it needs to have an

[2:55:52] opportunity for eternally. So, and we

[2:55:54] already have that issue on Dery. So,

[2:55:59] you know, Dery should follow the same. I

[2:56:01] mean, the you have somebody that's

[2:56:03] trying to make a left turn there.

[2:56:05] Everybody's in line

[2:56:07] >> that's wanting to turn right but can't

[2:56:08] turn right. So, and vice versa. So,

[2:56:12] >> at this intersection under

[2:56:14] >> Yes.

[2:56:14] >> Okay.

[2:56:15] >> So, you would have it

[2:56:16] >> turning on to Main Street. I'm saying so

[2:56:19] >> from Will to Main.

[2:56:20] >> Yeah. So, my my my

[2:56:23] recommendation would be

[2:56:26] the same as staffs is to ensure that it

[2:56:28] stays

[2:56:30] that way.

[2:56:31] >> Would you want the the three feet extra

[2:56:34] during the

[2:56:36] um

[2:56:37] town homes or would you like that to go

[2:56:40] be the 60 ft all the way down?

[2:56:50] understand that if you change it, that

[2:56:53] may have an implication to the platting

[2:56:56] and other stuff, you know, unless you

[2:56:58] keep the ride away and just say built

[2:57:00] the sidewalk straight through

[2:57:04] because the plat's prepared. It's not

[2:57:05] recorded. Doesn't need to come back for

[2:57:08] approvals if you change the plat. Um

[2:57:13] those are implications to the

[2:57:14] development that

[2:57:16] you know just timing

[2:57:19] if you're going to consider his timing

[2:57:21] and and you know in good faith keep him

[2:57:24] >> whole and maybe the rideway stays where

[2:57:27] it is but the sidewalk goes straight

[2:57:28] through. I don't know.

[2:57:30] >> I just wanted to clarify um because I

[2:57:32] I'm sitting in the back trying to follow

[2:57:34] along and maybe I misunderstood. Was was

[2:57:36] there a recommendation that we take

[2:57:38] existing city rightway and

[2:57:42] deed it to adjacent property owners in

[2:57:44] the name of narrowing a street down? Was

[2:57:46] that what the suggestion was? Because

[2:57:49] that's what I'm trying to wrap my mind

[2:57:52] around. We're trying to get right away

[2:57:54] everywhere else in town and on this road

[2:57:56] maybe the suggestion was let's narrow it

[2:57:59] down. Was that

[2:58:01] >> Yeah. Keep keep a little straight. I'm

[2:58:04] not saying take the rideway away. Keep

[2:58:06] the rideway where it's at, but keep the

[2:58:07] road narrow from north to south.

[2:58:10] >> Oh, okay. I just didn't understand.

[2:58:15] >> I I think you need to No, that was not

[2:58:17] my suggestion.

[2:58:18] >> That was mine.

[2:58:19] >> So, one one more detail that would be

[2:58:21] beneficial is if we understood

[2:58:24] >> what the front the leftover front yard

[2:58:26] would be.

[2:58:27] >> So, based off your 66 foot rideway, how

[2:58:30] much front yard would those people have

[2:58:32] left? So I don't think the intention is

[2:58:34] take any of their front yards.

[2:58:36] >> But it will.

[2:58:37] >> You would though.

[2:58:38] >> Why?

[2:58:40] >> 20 years. We're going to widen this road

[2:58:42] and we going to

[2:58:43] >> But we wouldn't take any of their

[2:58:44] property.

[2:58:44] >> You'd have to

[2:58:47] No, you wouldn't technically. You got to

[2:58:48] remember Barry's talking in a box that

[2:58:50] he has to.

[2:58:51] >> Right.

[2:58:51] >> You guys are seeing what's happened. So

[2:58:53] in his box, you're not going to take any

[2:58:55] of their property because right now they

[2:58:56] only have 15 foot front yards. This is 25 ft from this pink line to the

[2:59:02] back of the proposed

[2:59:03] >> future. You're going to reduce their

[2:59:04] front yards.

[2:59:06] >> No,

[2:59:06] >> what they've been using as their front

[2:59:07] yards.

[2:59:09] >> I don't think in a lot of places that's

[2:59:11] very true. I mean, certainly in some

[2:59:13] cases, but you look at like this line

[2:59:15] right here that's blue is the rideway

[2:59:17] line and which would be the future back

[2:59:19] of walk. This house right here, yeah,

[2:59:21] they have a driveway. The grass comes

[2:59:22] out to here. Um, these people's driveway

[2:59:25] comes roughly to the to the rideway

[2:59:29] boundary. Um, this one goes out to to

[2:59:32] meet the pavement, but their fence is a

[2:59:35] little bit extended. This fence is a

[2:59:36] little extra.

[2:59:41] That house most likely only has a two

[2:59:43] foot overhang.

[2:59:44] >> Which house?

[2:59:45] >> The one that you were just

[2:59:46] >> This one?

[2:59:47] >> No, down.

[2:59:48] >> Down here.

[2:59:48] >> No, back up.

[2:59:49] >> Oh, pardon.

[2:59:50] >> Barely. It's right there. that hip proof

[2:59:52] one

[2:59:52] >> right here.

[2:59:53] >> Yeah.

[2:59:54] >> So, yeah, and that's why I wanted to

[2:59:55] point out that you can see right here at

[2:59:57] this location is the grass where the

[2:59:58] grass meets the house. So, there's this

[3:00:00] much distance that's misleading from the

[3:00:03] roof that's similar to this distance

[3:00:05] >> oblique angle of the image.

[3:00:07] >> The oblique angle of the image. So, this

[3:00:10] line right or this image out here on

[3:00:12] this roof isn't the same vertically to

[3:00:16] where the footing is.

[3:00:17] >> You got to measure the driveway. Well,

[3:00:19] if we have a little more time and you

[3:00:21] guys don't make a decision tonight,

[3:00:24] staff could go shoot this and give you

[3:00:25] that exact measure.

[3:00:26] >> Hey, seeing it from here is great. I've

[3:00:28] walked out there and physically stood in

[3:00:30] the yard and we marked where that where

[3:00:32] it would be where the back of curb and

[3:00:34] gutter would be. You're Yes, it's not

[3:00:36] their yard, it's the rideway. But

[3:00:38] literally, they would walk into their

[3:00:40] front yard, then the ride rightway would

[3:00:41] be there, and they'd be walking right on

[3:00:43] out to the smell. Would it benefit if I

[3:00:45] staked out where the rideway boundary is

[3:00:48] at the fence lines on several places

[3:00:50] along here?

[3:00:50] >> I think that would be great

[3:00:52] >> cuz I think you'll see that we're not

[3:00:53] taking people's front yards.

[3:00:55] >> Well, and and and the thing and the and the issue the issue is is it's a

[3:01:00] rideway like

[3:01:02] >> when I say we don't design roadways

[3:01:05] based on

[3:01:07] >> on

[3:01:08] >> encroachments

[3:01:09] >> encroachment. So, um,

[3:01:12] >> you know, I understand it and I

[3:01:14] understand the need to marry them

[3:01:16] together and to marry him good.

[3:01:17] [clears throat]

[3:01:18] >> Um, but yeah, I Yeah, I think we'd like to probably

[3:01:23] see that. I know Sean's probably needing

[3:01:27] some decisions to to pour a driveway

[3:01:29] forward.

[3:01:30] >> If we have a decision in two weeks, I'm

[3:01:32] good.

[3:01:33] >> I just want this done right. You know,

[3:01:34] we talk about not taking people's front

[3:01:36] yard. How much your front yard have we

[3:01:38] taken in your perspective?

[3:01:39] >> Two feet.

[3:01:40] >> Two and a half. Almost three feet.

[3:01:42] >> They think that's theirs. The rideway is

[3:01:44] back there. Barry showed them where they

[3:01:46] signed and gave [clears throat] that

[3:01:47] away.

[3:01:47] >> Originally it was.

[3:01:48] >> Our world of us that understand this is

[3:01:51] different than everyone else's world.

[3:01:53] And we've got to start looking at that

[3:01:55] and we've got to start helping them

[3:01:57] understand what's about to happen. If if

[3:02:00] everyone on Willow Street knew what was

[3:02:02] about to happen, this room would be

[3:02:03] purple

[3:02:05] and they would not be pleased.

[3:02:08] It would look like that's the reason why

[3:02:10] we did what we did with Matthews Lane

[3:02:12] where the that Matthews Lane would have

[3:02:14] been right in front of the Hall's old

[3:02:16] house and the the trailer up the street

[3:02:18] from it. We would have been right in

[3:02:19] their front yard.

[3:02:20] >> Yeah. I mean, I

[3:02:20] >> but we we jut it in just for that

[3:02:22] reason. But what's going to happen here?

[3:02:25] >> I get that. But when you have your

[3:02:27] property lot surveyed and and you build

[3:02:30] past those things, I I understand the

[3:02:32] reason why you do. Um, but we have to

[3:02:36] keep that into consideration, too.

[3:02:38] >> That was changed after our lawn was in

[3:02:40] though,

[3:02:41] >> was it?

[3:02:41] >> The original property line was where we

[3:02:43] have our lawn and then when my dad cut

[3:02:44] his subdivision or culde-sac that went

[3:02:46] back in there, unbeknownst to us, it got

[3:02:48] pulled back by about two and a half feet

[3:02:50] and so that's where it's at. So what

[3:02:51] would that just if you're okay if I ask

[3:02:54] >> your property and what's

[3:02:55] >> what would that affect in the front two

[3:02:57] feet of your of your property? Can I

[3:03:00] just you're okay if I ask what likeass

[3:03:03] grass I've got sprinklers I mean that'

[3:03:05] all have to be done that'd be a cost to

[3:03:07] sean an additional cost and if you just

[3:03:09] pulled that out two feet nobody would be

[3:03:11] affected

[3:03:12] >> and the elevation's going to be

[3:03:14] >> close [clears throat] and I can speak

[3:03:16] for Doug

[3:03:17] >> we're both against park strip we don't

[3:03:19] want park strip we keep talking about

[3:03:21] the flood control the overflow well give

[3:03:26] us 27 inches like you got along works

[3:03:31] » on on again right against the you're

[3:03:34] saying put it just back slightly off the

[3:03:36] curb.

[3:03:37] >> I mean it's already one of the most

[3:03:38] narrow streets in town.

[3:03:40] >> Yeah.

[3:03:40] >> You know, you can't if somebody's parked

[3:03:42] on the side of the road down on the

[3:03:43] north end. You can't you have to stop

[3:03:45] and let somebody come by,

[3:03:46] >> right?

[3:03:47] >> You know, and all we're doing is choking

[3:03:49] them back down. We got this big bubble

[3:03:52] for the town homes and then we choke it

[3:03:54] back down again by putting a 5ft park

[3:03:56] strip.

[3:03:59] [clears throat] I mean we're when we

[3:04:00] talk about the water flow we're talking

[3:04:02] [laughter]

[3:04:04] 100 foot in rats and 100 foot in Doug by

[3:04:08] the time it gets to me where we got the

[3:04:10] two big sump drains which we haven't

[3:04:12] even looked at or considered. So, I

[3:04:16] mean, we're talking 200 ft of rain,

[3:04:19] >> you know, that we got in October,

[3:04:22] >> didn't even come close to us.

[3:04:26] >> And that's a point. That's a good point.

[3:04:28] I think in the future, these roads will eventually connect with curb and

[3:04:31] gutter and and there's the potential

[3:04:34] that a lot of

[3:04:37] wherever

[3:04:38] Dury Street has a high point that that

[3:04:41] comes back to here can be channeled and

[3:04:44] sent down Willow Street. if we don't put

[3:04:45] in storm drain, which which is, you

[3:04:48] know,

[3:04:49] likely that we put in storm drain and so

[3:04:51] that it wouldn't come around the corner.

[3:04:52] But, um,

[3:04:55] in any case, um, beyond the drainage, I

[3:04:58] mean, we we do want to keep the drainage

[3:04:59] of the city's property in the city's

[3:05:02] property as much as possible, right? To eliminate the potential for for

[3:05:07] hazard litigation, whatever that may may

[3:05:11] come up. It's just the practice. And

[3:05:14] then um yeah, the park strip distance

[3:05:18] offers some traversible driveway to to

[3:05:21] get from pavement up to a place where

[3:05:24] the drainage can be contained within the

[3:05:26] rightway.

[3:05:28] So, I don't I don't know if this is any of this makes sense

[3:05:34] um because of what what's on the screen,

[3:05:37] but from what I see, everybody's yard or

[3:05:42] for the most part, everybody's home is

[3:05:43] 25 ft away from the

[3:05:46] current rideway in

[3:05:48] >> right would be the back of curb.

[3:05:50] >> Yes. Back of sidewalk.

[3:05:52] >> Back of sidewalk.

[3:05:53] >> Yeah.

[3:05:55] I mean, if if you look on here, this

[3:05:57] fence comes out a little bit, but there

[3:05:58] might be some skew in the image on the fence. Um, a lot of these

[3:06:04] driveways are are coming out and built

[3:06:08] very close to

[3:06:11] I mean, this extends a little bit

[3:06:13] further.

[3:06:15] This fence line is is basically right on

[3:06:17] the line.

[3:06:20] Um, yeah. A a lot of is it a park

[3:06:24] required?

[3:06:25] >> Now, Barry, would it be appropriate to

[3:06:27] say that that sidewalk on the east side,

[3:06:30] does it line up with the existing

[3:06:31] sidewalk or you're pushing that sidewalk

[3:06:33] further east, right?

[3:06:35] >> Yeah. So, it's in the correct like

[3:06:38] ultimately correct space here at this

[3:06:42] >> but but then it does let me uh

[3:06:45] >> do this. makes this little jog right

[3:06:47] here

[3:06:50] away from the fence line or the the

[3:06:51] rideway boundary and then it more or

[3:06:53] less follows that same alignment. So,

[3:06:55] it's not in the ultimate correct or

[3:06:58] planned

[3:07:00] position where it would be right at the

[3:07:02] back of the ride ofway.

[3:07:03] >> So, your 66T rightway is affecting

[3:07:06] everyone on the road.

[3:07:09] >> Correct.

[3:07:10] >> I don't know what you mean by that. See

[3:07:11] that?

[3:07:11] >> Yeah. The sidewalk will push.

[3:07:13] >> Yes.

[3:07:14] >> It would have to get rebuilt. Yeah.

[3:07:16] >> But do they understand that? See what

[3:07:18] I'm saying? It's that whole side, you're

[3:07:20] going to go rip up all their front yards

[3:07:22] because it's your right away. This side,

[3:07:24] the same thing. You're affecting

[3:07:25] everyone on that entire road.

[3:07:28] And I don't think everyone understands

[3:07:30] that.

[3:07:31] >> Well, we're not doing this tomorrow. And

[3:07:34] there's certainly some public, you know,

[3:07:35] we do these kind of projects. There's

[3:07:37] some public outreach and and information

[3:07:42] sharing and and those kinds of things.

[3:07:44] um public involvement that would take

[3:07:47] place obviously, but

[3:07:49] >> my suggestion to other members, I don't

[3:07:51] know if anyone has done it. I might have

[3:07:53] been the only one, but go walk Willow

[3:07:55] Street and see where those marks markers

[3:07:57] are. I'm sure Sean like you did me'd be

[3:08:00] happy to walk your he do it because I

[3:08:03] was major that existing sidewalk that's

[3:08:06] wrong and so they're going to move. It

[3:08:08] looks like they're going to move about

[3:08:09] three or four feet where you and I were.

[3:08:11] But once Barry does it, then you'll know

[3:08:13] exactly what your evidence.

[3:08:14] >> Yeah.

[3:08:17] » I think to be able to make a decision, I

[3:08:19] need to see that and have some

[3:08:21] conversations regarding with some of the

[3:08:24] residents there.

[3:08:25] >> Okay.

[3:08:26] >> I know we're talking a time that needs

[3:08:29] time frame that needs to probably move

[3:08:31] pretty quickly. I think we can

[3:08:32] accommodate that

[3:08:34] >> realistically if I can start in the road

[3:08:36] after school is out. That's what we

[3:08:38] agreed to at precon. So obviously

[3:08:41] there's some paperwork that needs to be

[3:08:42] done there. As long as all that can be

[3:08:43] done, we can get into the road come when

[3:08:46] we get out of school Memorial Day June

[3:08:49] first.

[3:08:51] That's totally reasonable. And we can

[3:08:53] put this on the next council meeting and

[3:08:55] try to get it addressed if council wants

[3:08:58] to come look or whatever, like what

[3:08:59] questions exactly are you wanting so we

[3:09:01] can prep that, send it to you off

[3:09:05] in an email to kind of give you an idea

[3:09:07] of what's going on with this, what

[3:09:08] answer those questions.

[3:09:10] >> I think the biggest thing is how is this

[3:09:11] affecting the citizens? How much are we

[3:09:13] taking of lots? How much are we taking

[3:09:14] of things that are already there? Now, I

[3:09:16] know I know what we're saying. We

[3:09:18] already we own the rideway, but how much

[3:09:19] are we going to be disrupting them

[3:09:21] affecting them,

[3:09:22] >> right?

[3:09:23] >> And and for us, I mean, and the two and

[3:09:26] a half feet or whatever is not as big a

[3:09:27] deal as the the elevation. I mean, I

[3:09:29] just don't know. I just can't physically

[3:09:31] wrap my head around how we're going to

[3:09:32] get in the driveway without having to

[3:09:34] have the same situation as on the east

[3:09:35] side where those people have to go in

[3:09:37] there, overcross the sidewalk, and drop

[3:09:39] back down into their driveway. It's a

[3:09:40] mess.

[3:09:41] >> Yeah. So, that's like

[3:09:43] >> I think that's the biggest thing that

[3:09:44] seeing it in person and walking it is

[3:09:47] what that shows you.

[3:09:48] >> I don't know if these kind of numbers

[3:09:50] would make any sense, but this is this

[3:09:52] is the Ericson's driveway right here on

[3:09:55] the screen.

[3:09:56] >> So, can I just ask while we look at

[3:09:58] this, does the modified does this fix

[3:10:00] that?

[3:10:02] >> Not really. The difference is 2 in.

[3:10:06] >> Okay.

[3:10:08] >> Lessens the incline. Just it's still an

[3:10:11] incline. So this is

[3:10:12] >> you can't drop the elevation of the you

[3:10:14] can't drop the elevation from the road

[3:10:16] down to the

[3:10:17] >> So this is not a solution.

[3:10:21] >> You could use that that curb and gutter,

[3:10:23] but it what it does is if your road is

[3:10:26] kind of fixed because you're trying to

[3:10:27] match into existing and come at a at a

[3:10:29] draining grade, then you're going to

[3:10:31] step up either 6 in well actually 4 in

[3:10:34] or or 2 in. It it's it doesn't change a

[3:10:38] lot as far as elevation. Um, unless the

[3:10:42] only benefit that you you could get out

[3:10:44] of this is if you lowered the sidewalk

[3:10:46] behind the curb and gutter, but then

[3:10:47] when you have driveways,

[3:10:50] then the water from the road will run

[3:10:52] into their yard and then unless you

[3:10:54] contain it. So maybe the this modified

[3:10:58] curbon gutter where there isn't a place

[3:11:01] where it, you know, dips into a a

[3:11:03] driveway

[3:11:05] kind of contains the the drainage, but

[3:11:06] there's a limit to it. It doesn't offer

[3:11:08] the same drainage capacity as the

[3:11:10] highback does. And you're and you're

[3:11:12] only getting a little bit of elevation,

[3:11:15] you know, as far as where the sidewalk

[3:11:16] goes, where the driveways tie in. It's 2 in. And this plan has already

[3:11:23] made a little bit of a modification to

[3:11:25] the to the position, vertical position

[3:11:27] of the sidewalk at the driveways. And

[3:11:29] you can see here, this is the plan

[3:11:31] elevation with a 9.18 at the end. And

[3:11:33] then it comes back here to a 9.25

[3:11:35] slightly above that. But that's come

[3:11:37] coming back to match into their existing

[3:11:39] driveway. So the driveway would be cut

[3:11:42] for this portion and then it would be

[3:11:45] sloped from the back of the sidewalk up

[3:11:49] until this point and it would match in.

[3:11:51] And similarly to

[3:11:54] um the EANS who are the neighbor a

[3:11:57] little bit further south. Oops, not the

[3:11:59] right sheet. Bear with me.

[3:12:02] Um, this one is so Ericson's are over

[3:12:06] here. Then you got this Chester Hollow

[3:12:08] Road and then the Eekans driveway is

[3:12:10] this one. Again, elevations at the back

[3:12:13] of sidewalk 1129 and 1136, 1128 and

[3:12:18] 1120. So, they are they would have to

[3:12:21] come back in here and cut out their

[3:12:22] driveway and repour that to make it all

[3:12:24] blend in and match. Um, and same thing

[3:12:28] happens here.

[3:12:30] And that's with this highback curb and

[3:12:32] gutter traditional standard stuff. Um,

[3:12:37] so that's already kind of planned to be

[3:12:39] done

[3:12:41] as far as the construction drawings,

[3:12:45] but that could be changed to a modified

[3:12:47] curb and then, you know, maybe this

[3:12:50] driveway gets cut back slightly less.

[3:12:53] You know, I don't know how much, but

[3:13:00] And just for the record, like I'm not uh

[3:13:05] >> So, can I ask you if I was just to pay

[3:13:08] for the concrete if I have to cut half

[3:13:10] my driveway out?

[3:13:12] >> That would if I don't misunderstand the

[3:13:15] rules, if you have a private property

[3:13:18] and and some project comes along, they

[3:13:20] need to make you whole again. And so, it

[3:13:22] would be on the developments.

[3:13:23] >> What's that distance? Because that's the

[3:13:25] way I understand it, too. There's a

[3:13:27] distance that I have to correct you to.

[3:13:29] >> Yeah,

[3:13:30] >> it's not half your driveway. It's

[3:13:33] >> 10 feet or whatever.

[3:13:36] Tell me

[3:13:38] 18 in high. Red's got the big jump. So,

[3:13:42] >> he's going to have to be cut way back.

[3:13:46] >> But my driveway is up way higher.

[3:13:49] >> So, this is Rhett's His

[3:13:52] feet.

[3:13:53] >> Grass is going to be dramatic. Beacons

[3:13:55] was the a pretty good one.

[3:13:58] >> Yeah, this is the biggest one.

[3:13:59] >> Right.

[3:14:02] >> Yeah, that one's probably the biggest

[3:14:04] one. Where's the scale on this thing?

[3:14:07] >> And they're they're in their mind. Well,

[3:14:09] they kind of knew they were past, but I

[3:14:10] think they're four, six feet, four seat.

[3:14:13] How far past the line were their yard

[3:14:16] goes way out there. Maybe four plus

[3:14:17] feet.

[3:14:18] >> And they knew that.

[3:14:21] >> So that was like almost 17 feet. So Sean

[3:14:24] in your mind so I understand the all the

[3:14:27] issues and I think visually you can look

[3:14:30] across the street but

[3:14:33] like it just never thought that sidewalk

[3:14:36] was common sense but what's the

[3:14:40] solution? What's in your in my mind the

[3:14:43] right thing to do is narrow that. It's

[3:14:45] it it's not a collector. I understand

[3:14:47] that's probably what they think. It's

[3:14:48] not it's Willis Street. It's been Willis

[3:14:50] Street for how many years? It's narrow.

[3:14:53] The wider you go, the faster people go.

[3:14:55] We're trying to slow people down. Let's

[3:14:57] narrow it down. So what if you have to

[3:14:59] pause when two cars go past and a car's

[3:15:02] parked? It slows down. It's 25 miles an

[3:15:04] hour. But but that's my opinion. Narrow

[3:15:08] it. Give the right proper curbing

[3:15:10] gutter. Give them strip. Put the

[3:15:12] sidewalk. But that gets the sidewalk

[3:15:14] clear out of them. It affects them the

[3:15:17] impact is less on both sides of the

[3:15:20] road. So, one of the things I thought of

[3:15:22] is I do feel with the school up the

[3:15:24] road, the kids, it'd be nice for them to

[3:15:27] walk up a sidewalk to the school.

[3:15:30] >> So, across the road and use the one

[3:15:32] there.

[3:15:32] >> So, I ask [snorts] staff if inside the town homes I could do that modified

[3:15:38] curb so that I could put the sidewalk

[3:15:40] next to it so when they park on those

[3:15:42] driveways that are smaller, there was

[3:15:44] more room and they said no because of

[3:15:47] safety and and I agreed with them. We

[3:15:48] left it with that. So I think what's

[3:15:51] Barry's saying to have that section of

[3:15:54] curb the right curve with the right mo

[3:15:56] strip with the right sidewalk is

[3:15:58] important. So how do we meet the middle

[3:16:00] on all this right? We go down n willow

[3:16:04] straighten that thing out narrow it and

[3:16:07] call it for what it is. It's not a

[3:16:08] collector. You're going to be frustrated

[3:16:10] when it's a 66 foot right away and you

[3:16:13] got more cars on there trying to

[3:16:15] jam-pack. It's going to be as busy as

[3:16:16] you build it. Okay? So you're never

[3:16:18] going to satisfy it.

[3:16:21] >> Visually, it's impossible to imagine a

[3:16:23] turn lane there. Even

[3:16:25] >> you just visually [clears throat] and

[3:16:27] even if we do it now, even if we stick

[3:16:28] with this, that end of the road is going

[3:16:31] to stay that wide for the next 20 years

[3:16:34] in you guys' budget tonight and the

[3:16:35] money you're spending on different

[3:16:36] things. Where are you going to come up

[3:16:38] with money and priorities that widen

[3:16:40] Willow Street? Without a developer

[3:16:42] paying for it, you'll never do it.

[3:16:48] would look like Cork with that turn

[3:16:49] lane and that's dangerous right there.

[3:16:51] So you just have another cork street

[3:16:52] because there's not a through street.

[3:16:54] You'd have three-way and you'd have

[3:16:56] every car in the world trying to go off

[3:16:57] boiler like they are quirk and it would

[3:16:59] just be another danger. Those hot spots

[3:17:01] again like we saw yesterday of the roads

[3:17:05] that would turn into just a nightmare.

[3:17:08] People are going to use the roads that

[3:17:09] you build. So that won't be a collector.

[3:17:10] They'll go another route. Just so I

[3:17:13] understand though, you're saying now the

[3:17:15] rope and but you are saying keep the

[3:17:17] sidewalk there.

[3:17:19] >> I personally think the right thing to do

[3:17:21] is keep the sidewalk even though we have

[3:17:23] one on the other side. It's just you're

[3:17:25] talking about trails in other

[3:17:26] subdivisions. The sidewalk's a natural

[3:17:28] trail. It's a na natural connects

[3:17:31] everything connectivity. So having the

[3:17:33] sidewalk on both sides with the proper

[3:17:36] mo strip

[3:17:38] for putting snow and safety and all

[3:17:40] those things, that's the right way to do

[3:17:42] it. So the only solution that gives us

[3:17:44] is cut the asphalt down, right? And

[3:17:47] don't make it as wide as the rest of the

[3:17:49] roads. Make it as wide as the previous

[3:17:51] roads we put in Grantsville before we

[3:17:53] decided we had to have 66 foot rideways.

[3:17:56] Remember, we've gone through all phases.

[3:17:58] And that's my frustration.

[3:18:01] I've been through every phase, every

[3:18:03] council change, every different one

[3:18:05] ever. And it's like time that we can

[3:18:07] pick something and stay with it.

[3:18:19] So,

[3:18:20] >> where are we here then? [laughter]

[3:18:22] >> I would just just throw out another

[3:18:25] consideration.

[3:18:26] >> Okay,

[3:18:27] >> we already all know that Willow Street's

[3:18:29] pavement is not wide, but does that

[3:18:31] deter travelers from using it?

[3:18:36] Unless it's backed up and congested,

[3:18:40] That's kind of their path of least

[3:18:41] resistance. People that live on the

[3:18:43] road, they know my used to live on the

[3:18:46] road. My parents still live on that

[3:18:47] road. And people are using it to connect

[3:18:50] to other streets, right? It's it's

[3:18:51] that's what the definition of a

[3:18:53] collector is. So, if we're going to

[3:18:56] narrow it,

[3:18:58] >> and you're about to put town homes there

[3:19:00] that people will be wanting to turn

[3:19:01] into. And if there's no turn

[3:19:03] >> 96 97 town homes times 10 trips per day

[3:19:07] or eight or whatever for a town home

[3:19:09] that's a lot of cars every day

[3:19:11] >> coming in on the street on Cherry Street

[3:19:13] that connected to Cherry and the other

[3:19:15] one and so you know eventually you're

[3:19:18] going to have that connected

[3:19:20] >> do wide and cherry street on that end

[3:19:23] >> if it's got 60 feet then we can fit

[3:19:25] three lanes.

[3:19:27] [clears throat]

[3:19:28] >> They'll go through Cherry and use cork

[3:19:30] like they should. So,

[3:19:32] >> well, cherry's a mess, too.

[3:19:34] >> It is.

[3:19:36] >> So, I guess my thought is unless you put

[3:19:39] some sort of physical barrier that keep

[3:19:42] from South Willow continuing on down

[3:19:44] Willow Street, it's going to be a

[3:19:46] collector whether you put it 32 feet of

[3:19:48] asphalt or 38, it's going to be used the

[3:19:51] same unless there's a physical barrier

[3:19:54] that makes people turn and go a

[3:19:55] different route. I think people are

[3:19:57] already turning now because I mean I

[3:19:59] live there and I know because it's a

[3:20:01] nightmare to get to make a left-hand

[3:20:02] turn at the end of Will Street on the

[3:20:04] main street. So I think people from

[3:20:05] South Will are going down Derpy Street

[3:20:06] going around to get onto the light or

[3:20:08] whatever they need to do to get not

[3:20:10] having to come down will street because

[3:20:12] I mean there's traffic but not everybody

[3:20:13] coming from South Will is going all the

[3:20:15] way down Will Street.

[3:20:17] >> Oh that's true.

[3:20:18] >> Wider roads aren't always answer. That's

[3:20:20] why you don't see seven 10 lane free

[3:20:23] highways.

[3:20:24] doesn't help with [clears throat]

[3:20:25] traffic jams or anything. So, just

[3:20:28] because it's wider doesn't mean it's

[3:20:29] going to be any less congested than what

[3:20:31] it's already at.

[3:20:33] >> Yeah. But narrowing it doesn't make any safer in my opinion. Like I it

[3:20:39] actually compounds the safety issue in

[3:20:42] my opinion. So,

[3:20:44] >> I don't know. I've been on that road a

[3:20:46] lot the last little bit looking at it

[3:20:48] and meeting with with these guys and

[3:20:50] Sean and uh traffic it's a lot slower on

[3:20:53] that street than it is Cork Street where

[3:20:55] I live.

[3:21:03] Um, would

[3:21:05] somebody offered I don't know if it was

[3:21:07] Sean or Barry to go stake it out so that

[3:21:10] if you haven't seen it, you could. Is

[3:21:12] that something we would still like to

[3:21:14] have done?

[3:21:16] >> And which areas would you like that

[3:21:20] >> just all the way along every 500t or 300

[3:21:23] feet or what? Tell me. Yeah, I think I

[3:21:26] think if we were to get some points on

[3:21:28] the north side, both on the north side

[3:21:30] and then against the three residents on

[3:21:32] the south side, we can visually see the

[3:21:34] rest of it probably. I mean, we could do

[3:21:36] every 500 if you wanted to or

[3:21:38] everywhere.

[3:21:39] >> I'll just kind of do it something that

[3:21:42] it looks like it's

[3:21:44] >> further out than it should be, then that

[3:21:46] would that would help visualize it.

[3:21:48] >> And I can gladly help Barry. I think

[3:21:50] Barry needs to do it. But I can carry

[3:21:52] the stakes and the paint and whatnot to

[3:21:54] help you do it because the more marks we

[3:21:56] have, the better off we are. But it

[3:21:58] needs to come from Barry.

[3:22:00] >> Yeah.

[3:22:01] >> And as long as you all are happy that I

[3:22:04] spend time doing that, that's great. I

[3:22:06] can [laughter]

[3:22:08] >> I'm sure you have plenty of free time.

[3:22:09] Barry,

[3:22:12] that was pretty sarcastic comment.

[3:22:14] [laughter] So,

[3:22:16] um I visually yeah I I think I think

[3:22:19] it's important we make the right

[3:22:20] decision there and I do think there's

[3:22:22] probably a balance between them. Um

[3:22:26] >> so so having all the information is

[3:22:28] going to help. So may I ask so I can

[3:22:31] stake where our existing rideaway is the

[3:22:35] boundary of what we own

[3:22:37] and we could pull tapes over or I can do

[3:22:41] that plus maybe paint some stuff on the

[3:22:43] ground that says this is the anticipated

[3:22:46] future curb and gutter location. What information beyond staking the

[3:22:51] boundary of the rideway is useful?

[3:22:55] >> What what would you guys like to see?

[3:22:57] Let's just paint the same colors. I've

[3:23:00] got all those colors. Seriously,

[3:23:03] put the 25 foot set back out there in

[3:23:06] purple and put a blue line. What you got

[3:23:08] there?

[3:23:09] >> Well, it gets like that's that's fine,

[3:23:12] but colors mean things in blue staking.

[3:23:15] And I don't I don't want somebody

[3:23:17] >> about that. I I wanted to say that uh I

[3:23:19] think Derek was right on in his comment

[3:23:21] about wide streets and narrow streets

[3:23:24] and how traffic patterns work. Um, one

[3:23:28] of the things that's kind of of a best

[3:23:31] practice thing that's coming up lately

[3:23:33] is rather than put a yellow stripe or a

[3:23:35] center turn lane down the middle of the

[3:23:36] road, you bring in the white lines and

[3:23:39] remove the yellow stripe down the middle

[3:23:40] and that has a a natural traffic calming

[3:23:43] effect because everyone thinks, "Oh,

[3:23:44] this road's a little more skinny, so I

[3:23:47] have to slow down a little bit." The

[3:23:48] pavement width is the same. It's just a mind trick that makes you think, "Oh,

[3:23:52] this road is narrow." This road is

[3:23:54] already narrow. The pavement width is

[3:23:55] narrow and you have to kind of you you

[3:23:58] your brain thinks I got to slow down

[3:24:00] because this road is a little bit

[3:24:02] dangerous or scary. You don't want to

[3:24:04] say that it's dangerous, right, Tyson?

[3:24:06] It's it's not dangerous. It's totally

[3:24:09] safe. It's perfectly safe in every way,

[3:24:11] but um no, we all know that it feels

[3:24:15] different to drive down a skinny little

[3:24:17] road as opposed to a sevenlane freeway.

[3:24:20] Um, and and I think that's what could be

[3:24:23] instructive is if you went out and did

[3:24:25] some dots at at lane widths and then you

[3:24:29] can get an idea, not not big long

[3:24:33] stretches, but just

[3:24:35] yeah, something that would that would

[3:24:37] kind of give you an idea what the width

[3:24:39] would be like

[3:24:41] >> on the on the ground and then you could

[3:24:42] look at it and go, "Oh, this is way

[3:24:44] different than I expected." Because I

[3:24:46] think that's what we're locked into is

[3:24:48] how it feels on the road right now. It

[3:24:50] feels like a a a skinny country road.

[3:24:54] What Barry's trying to say is it's not.

[3:24:56] It's actually a 60 foot rideway, which

[3:24:58] is as big as we we require

[3:25:01] most places in town. Um

[3:25:05] >> the pavement is the same.

[3:25:06] >> The pavement is going to be the same

[3:25:08] local road.

[3:25:09] >> Well, we all we do is is make the um

[3:25:12] park strips just a little bit more

[3:25:13] skinny on this kind of cross-section.

[3:25:16] It's it's the same road that you're

[3:25:17] getting anywhere in town. it it feels

[3:25:19] different. The trees are different. The

[3:25:21] fences are are in weird places. And

[3:25:23] that's why I think it would be

[3:25:24] instructive to go out and stake it out

[3:25:26] and then maybe indicate where those

[3:25:29] travel lanes might be. That would be my

[3:25:32] suggestion.

[3:25:38] » Any other feedback we want to give Barry

[3:25:40] or Sean?

[3:25:48] Isn't the curb already poured in front?

[3:25:49] No, it's not. [gasps]

[3:25:52] Not

[3:25:52] >> yet.

[3:25:53] >> It's I'm winging out.

[3:25:54] >> It's winged.

[3:25:55] >> Yeah, but nothing out

[3:25:56] >> in there in the road. Nothing north to

[3:25:58] south.

[3:26:03] » Obviously, we don't want to waste a ton

[3:26:05] of Barry's time and we don't want to

[3:26:07] waste a lot of Sean's time and this has

[3:26:09] been going on for several months.

[3:26:12] How could we make this less

[3:26:16] >> time consuming for you to mark this out?

[3:26:19] Is it easier if the council is just

[3:26:22] there? Obviously, we can all be there at

[3:26:24] the same time, but couple at a time as

[3:26:27] and just demonstrate this so that it can

[3:26:29] be seen or what is easiest for you,

[3:26:33] Barry? I think I [clears throat] could

[3:26:34] go out and and say I mark the boundaries

[3:26:38] of the rideway at intervals so you can

[3:26:40] kind of still see from one to the other

[3:26:43] and then maybe mark a center line,

[3:26:45] center of the road, center of the

[3:26:46] rideway because sometimes the pavement

[3:26:48] is not in the center

[3:26:50] >> at the center

[3:26:51] >> and then and then people can go and see

[3:26:54] that and then if there's questions or

[3:26:56] you want to discuss it more then I can

[3:26:58] meet you out there bring the instrument

[3:27:00] and we can say well here's the this

[3:27:02] here's where this will be and we can

[3:27:03] find it on the ground as we go. Well,

[3:27:05] what about over here? We can find it on

[3:27:06] the ground with the instrument. Um if if

[3:27:11] that

[3:27:13] I don't that's a recommendation.

[3:27:15] >> Okay.

[3:27:16] >> Everyone okay with that?

[3:27:18] >> Yes.

[3:27:19] >> Okay. But I I think in the end, you

[3:27:23] know, we just because it's a planned

[3:27:26] unit development,

[3:27:28] we need your guys' decisions to to move

[3:27:31] forward with something, right? So,

[3:27:37] » okay, thank you everybody for your

[3:27:39] patience. Hopefully, we're going to get

[3:27:40] to the best solution.

[3:27:44] Um,

[3:27:46] our next item, uh, item number 12 is a

[3:27:48] discussion of a utility assistance

[3:27:50] program and council member Dalton has

[3:27:53] recommended that we perhaps move this to

[3:27:56] the next council meeting based on the

[3:27:57] times. Does anyone have an issue with

[3:27:59] that?

[3:28:01] Is anyone's brain still even functioning

[3:28:03] at this point?

[3:28:05] [laughter]

[3:28:06] >> I think we're going to be a little more

[3:28:07] attentive next time. So, we're going to

[3:28:09] do that if that's

[3:28:10] >> I'm just worried about your taxes only.

[3:28:11] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[3:28:14] We're not getting

[3:28:14] >> no Troy's back and we're on it. It's all

[3:28:17] done. [laughter]

[3:28:19] >> Um, what do I need to do to move this to

[3:28:22] the next

[3:28:25] >> for a motion to

[3:28:26] >> Okay. Can I ask for a motion to move

[3:28:28] this to our next meeting agenda?

[3:28:31] >> I'll make a motion that we move our

[3:28:33] agenda item number 12 to our next city

[3:28:35] council meeting.

[3:28:36] >> Second.

[3:28:37] >> All right. We have a motion and a second

[3:28:39] and we will move that. All in favor?

[3:28:42] >> I.

[3:28:43] >> And we will move that to our next

[3:28:45] meeting. So I just need a motion to

[3:28:47] adjurnn.

[3:28:49] >> Moved.

[3:28:52] >> Okay. All in favor. All right.

[3:28:55] >> Thank you.

04/15/2026 Grantsville City Council Meeting and Public Hearing

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