[0:00] I don't know about that clock. We're not wastisible

[0:22] with liberty and justice for all.

[0:28] Uh, roll call, please. >> Mayor Mont

[0:32] » here.

[0:35] » Mr. Mling >> here.

[0:39] » Mr. Bryer >> here.

[0:42] » Mrs. Summers >> here. Mr. B.

[0:49] Uh, Mrs. Howard >> here.

[0:52] » Mr. Caldwell >> present.

[0:55] and Alderman Brock here. Do you have a port

[1:08] uh reading of the minutes from last

[1:11] meeting? I >> got it.

[1:16] » Yeah, we don't. >> Oh, okay. So,

[1:20] » there they were not in your packing. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No. Oh, I

[1:24] apologize. I should have been in there. I remember

[1:34] » at the last minute. >> Oh,

[1:40] [laughter]

[1:49] » anyway, I guess we'll kind of table that until

[1:54] We have a chance.

[2:03] » Is there anybody? [snorts]

[2:06] » Have you signed in? >> No,

[2:08] » please sign. >> Okay.

[2:12] » All right. Um, there's no comments. Any reports?

[2:20] » No report. Okay. Well, then we'll go to new business. And

[2:25] uh the first one and only one is the

[2:29] amendment to the text of the zoning code section 405.337

[2:35] A2 C relating to hours of operation of marijuana dispensers.

[2:48] um just introduce myself and um Paul Rockers. I am the director of compliance

[2:54] for the code store that is here in uh in your town. Um with me is Lucas Touché.

[3:02] He is one of our other directors of compliance. Um we're here today this

[3:06] evening to uh just request um an extension of the hours [clears throat]

[3:11] of operation that you currently have in your ordinances to allow us to be able

[3:16] to maintain the same level of of service that we've provided to our customers at

[3:20] the current location. Um the hours of operation we have there are from 9:00

[3:25] a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Monday through Saturday and 9:00 a.m. to 8:00 pm on

[3:30] Sundays. And so, you know, in order to maintain that service that we've been

[3:36] providing [clears throat] at times and availability for customers to come to

[3:40] the location, we would like to be able to offer that same those same hours of

[3:45] operation. Um, the other thing that we looked at was within a 5 mile radius.

[3:50] The other dispensaries that are in the area, I think three of the five have

[3:56] hours of operation until 10 p.m. as well. And so we just want to maintain a

[4:00] competitive, you know, competitive and not lose, you know, competitive

[4:04] advantage or disadvantage um by having to lower our hours and force our our

[4:11] customers to potentially go other places at the hours that we won't be able to be

[4:14] open would uh interfere with when they would be able to purchase. So those are

[4:21] [clears throat] >> Have those hours change at your existing

[4:23] facility since you presented this one to the new facility?

[4:26] » No. >> No.

[4:29] And the plan is to that um plan is we are going to be moving this Thursday

[4:34] morning to the new location when we're playing.

[4:37] » Jeremy, >> well uh the zoning code that you've

[4:41] adopted, which is the marijuana dispensary code requires the hours of

[4:46] operations left that you see uh Monday through Friday 9 to 9,

[4:53] Saturday, Sunday 9 to 6. So, as a result, the applicant would have to ask

[5:00] for a text amendment to your zoning code. So, basically, you're amending

[5:04] your your your code. Okay. Um, tonight you're you're having discussion

[5:12] for for a recommendation.

[5:20] » All right. Anybody can >> I recommend we approve this.

[5:25] I second. >> Motion.

[5:29] » Motion's been made to approve it. Second >> and second it. All in favor say I.

[5:36] » I. >> Opposed.

[5:39] » So then you're recommending uh approved

[5:43] to the board of >> alderman.

[5:47] We're recommend text amendments to the board of alderman.

[5:50] » Correct. >> And then the board of alderman will

[5:54] » decide. Correct. At the board of alderman meeting which

[5:58] is in two >> August 17th.

[6:01] » August 17th. >> Yes.

[6:04] » Let her know that >> they got recommended to approve to go to

[6:09] the board of alderman on August 17th. Okay.

[6:11] » Excellent. >> Same room, same time.

[6:14] » Perfect. >> Okay.

[6:15] » Thank you all very much. >> Have a good evening.

[6:18] » Thank you. >> I think that was a record.

[6:25] » [clears throat]

[6:37] » So now we're done to unfinish business continuation

[6:42] on a comprehensive plan. >> It's been a while since you guys have

[6:47] looked at this plan. >> So it is a good idea for you guys to

[6:51] look at it again. to determine if you would like any

[6:56] changes, >> right? And I I submitted uh my changes

[7:05] last month to >> Well, there would be a discussion right

[7:08] now for all of you to uh recommend uh change. Does this go to boardment?

[7:20] » The comp plan land is solely your product.

[7:24] » Yeah, we don't have to.

[7:28] » What you would do is, you know, once we got all any and all changes put

[7:32] together, we would put a final updated draft together for you to approve by

[7:37] resolution and then would send a copy to the board of alderman saying, just so

[7:42] you know, here's the new complaint. Okay.

[7:47] » I was going to ask Tracer, do we have a list of

[7:51] recommended changes over the years that we kept

[7:55] » or

[7:59] due to the uh census kind of that kind of information?

[8:04] » Yeah, that part I already had I got that information from East West Gateway and

[8:09] so that part I've already updated. That's why it has the 2020

[8:13] and beyond numbers. >> And the Have you updated the verbage

[8:17] like you usually do? >> I didn't update I updated anything that

[8:21] had to do with the demographics and that information, but I did not touch

[8:26] anything else because that's up to you. >> Oh, I just I it seems like other times

[8:32] we've had things where you said, "Hey, people aren't really seeing this

[8:34] anymore. Oh yeah. Well,

[8:38] » yeah. It was really more like I highlighted that one section about,

[8:42] you know, Lyn Fairy that's always been a discussion as to whether it's ever

[8:46] really going to be that cute little >> destination

[8:49] » destination where people have coffee shops and walk up and down or is it

[8:52] going to be people selling tires? It seems like all the shops or businesses

[8:57] that are there, you have to get

[9:03] special request for what to go against it. It's it's not like you can just walk

[9:08] up and go in. There's a lot like that. So,

[9:15] so you know, they can stay saying what it says or you can

[9:21] recommend changing or whatever, but looks like

[9:24] Gary's got a >> Yeah, I I know I had uh mentioned

[9:29] something used as an example before u that I for our own neighborhood

[9:35] place. We've always had that the stated goal was to open up place and drive and

[9:42] I said, you know, the neighborhood's been there 29 years now, which is

[9:48] stunning. And anytime this has ever come up, it's like, uh, well, Green Park

[9:52] isn't going to flip the note for that. It's going to be developed. And

[9:57] » and that's fine. I I could care less. >> But it seems like my point was going

[10:03] through this, is that something that realistically should be part of the

[10:07] vision? And is that what we're looking to do?

[10:12] » Yeah. >> Kind of thing. it, you know, is has that

[10:14] vision changed or is that still well, if money was no object and whatever then

[10:20] and it wasn't completely straight up, >> right? Well, Derek just before the

[10:25] distance and the the climate property, so you'd have

[10:30] » Well, there's that, too. >> So, there's no public property. It's too

[10:33] steep. You would have to connect to a private road that is in horrible

[10:38] condition. And so so you would have a lot of issues

[10:44] for educating public. >> The the issue isn't how can it be

[10:49] afforded. The issue is is this something that we should keep on our radar that

[10:53] someday if we can figure this out we're going to do it.

[10:56] » Yeah. I I I remember talking about the L ferry thing making fun of it saying you

[11:01] know it's going to be this walkable destination like hell maybe we can put

[11:04] in that we're going to have a gondola go across Lindberg to park too. Let's put

[11:08] that in. Is it is it really something that

[11:11] » you know >> that's a really good idea Dave.

[11:14] » How about Well, let's put it in there, you know, but but

[11:18] » take out the metro. >> So, I'm trying I guess I'm just trying

[11:21] to get at are we is this really realistic or hey, that happens hasn't

[11:26] happened for 29 years. Maybe the next quarter somebody get it to happen.

[11:30] That's that's my point. The only one that's not realistic anymore is Lenveale

[11:35] connection to Lindberg Business Court because of the development at the end of

[11:40] Lyn Vale. >> Yeah.

[11:42] » You can no longer make that connection. >> Yeah. It it seems to me that this should

[11:47] be more of a document how we had the guy in here last month about who wanted to

[11:52] convert right that house to resident. I mean that that to me seems to be what

[11:58] more the focus of this shoot more than a gondola across.

[12:09] » Well, is it realistic to u uh include anything about the metro light rail

[12:15] anymore?

[12:18] » I I don't think so. >> I don't think they're talking about

[12:21] metro. >> Yeah, that's his point. I mean, it's

[12:24] Yeah. I mean, >> well, they killed it from St. Louis City

[12:27] from north to south. It's going to be bust. So, I don't, you know, I don't

[12:33] anticipate anything coming out here. >> Yeah.

[12:37] It seems to me that since we adopted it the last time, we've we've used it

[12:40] specifically two times. Uh, the used car place that wanted to move in where

[12:49] » Yeah. Right. And we we literally adopted this the month before and said either it

[12:55] means something or it doesn't have a standalone use card and then also those

[13:00] people on Lindber or Green Park that have the abandoned lot.

[13:05] » Right. >> Right. With that and then

[13:07] » he was going to he wanted it to be industrial.

[13:10] » Right. Right. Right. You said yeah you're not there for six months or

[13:14] whatever. Well, that's part of our code, but the code and plan sort of work

[13:20] together. [clears throat]

[13:30] » So, so far taking out 2.3.4 about the metro link.

[13:35] » That's all that part I know for sure. The gondola I can't take out is

[13:40] something. If you want to take out the part about uh the realigned Yuma drive,

[13:46] we can certainly do that. >> 2.3.

[13:50] » I literally was just saying that as an example of something that should that

[13:55] meaningfully be in here after 29 years. That

[13:58] » that's what I'm literally trying to figure out from the commission whether

[14:02] anybody wants to keep that in there as an idea that should happen or

[14:06] » I would say we have not had a meaningful [clears throat] discussion of developing

[14:09] that. in 29 years.

[14:12] » That's why it still looks the way it does.

[14:14] » Yeah. So, I would argue something like that should be the kind of thing we

[14:19] should, hey, should that still be in there? Is that

[14:21] » I mean, if you meaningfully wanted to do that, what you'd have to do is kind of

[14:25] change that zoning over there from residential

[14:30] to some kind of a second tier commercial.

[14:34] And then say you're going to allow commercial all the way down to the end

[14:38] of it. And then you might get a redevelopment. You might even get a Home

[14:41] Depot. Who knows? >> But that's what led to this whole thing

[14:45] being zoned residential in the first place.

[14:47] » Well, Joe may remember this may remember this that I think there was some

[14:52] discussion initially that somebody might put in like almost like senior living

[14:58] » that was back in 08. >> Right.

[15:01] » And that Yeah. Right. But it was still the case to them. It's like what benefit

[15:05] to them would be to build out that road which

[15:11] » right I mean >> asking to do it a gondola too. What the

[15:15] hell? >> Well, that that actually would be better

[15:17] because that ravines. So that could >> Yeah.

[15:24] » And I don't know if you've done >> why not.

[15:26] » There's a very nice high wires up there that you could just hang the goas on.

[15:30] [laughter] >> I want a zipline, you No, that's how we

[15:33] could go cheap. Yeah, just like this is our dream document. So, [laughter]

[15:38] » dream or go. >> Good idea, Derek. Excellent.

[15:43] » You know what? Uh, >> if you're going to make any destination,

[15:46] you're going to need a hotel. >> When it snows, it's a good skill.

[15:51] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[15:55] » It could be the green park hidden. >> So, in terms of the process of this,

[15:59] obviously Gary submitted something, but should we Should we take this home as

[16:04] homework and then submit ideas? >> Oh, I thought that was that was what we

[16:08] were doing the last several months. >> Yes.

[16:12] » I still wanted to go home. >> That's what you started about a year

[16:16] ago, >> right? October. It says on the doc

[16:24] » my idea of zipline and it was not realistic. So don't bring that back,

[16:31] please. >> But yeah, if you want to take these

[16:35] notes and >> hear what Ann's notes were from her last

[16:40] that she wanted to talk about last time that didn't get a chance, we can go

[16:43] through that and then I I don't really expect that we'll finish if we were even

[16:47] going to get it finished tonight. I just thought we could at least start getting

[16:51] something that I could bring back next time that's a little closer to what you

[16:54] want. So So there I already know I could take out

[16:58] 2.3.4. So that'll be a that'll save some paper

[17:02] there and any other time it mentions Metro

[17:12] where it has there been discussions about

[17:17] what's everybody talking about the data center the data centers

[17:25] » we I mean we haven't had any talked about that and I I don't know how much

[17:30] space is left in commerce center to for data center.

[17:35] » No, you could, you know, at best it'd be one of the micro data centers that I

[17:41] don't know how interesting interested they would be in the

[17:46] » I already thought we had one down there because I always hear all the time. I

[17:50] swear it's coming down here somewhere. So, I always thought we had one.

[17:56] » Yeah. I wonder maybe it's a What's that truck guy that's down there?

[18:02] » Alcatra. >> Alcatraz. Maybe they got diesels running

[18:05] all the time >> because they're working on them all the

[18:09] time.

[18:14] » I thought the train metro link was supposed to bring a casino boat into the

[18:20] lake at Green Park. Wasn't that a discussion at one time?

[18:25] That was a uh >> that was a flying rabbit. Uh

[18:31] » was a flying rabbit. >> Yeah,

[18:36] » it's a good idea. >> Someone who who lives very close to a

[18:39] metro link. Let me tell you completely.

[18:46] No, I just I I guess I'm looking at this and saying if there's aspirational

[18:50] things that presumably as a city we should be working toward this, right?

[18:56] Like again looking at 2.3.1 access to the residential area north of

[19:02] Southtown Farm should be via Kors Lane or Green Park Road. It isn't. It hasn't

[19:06] been for 29 years. What are we doing to make that

[19:11] a reality or should it not be?

[19:16] » Well, the reality would be more of a private development.

[19:20] » Well, no, I'm just a public development. >> I'm just talking, you know, there's a

[19:26] lot of things we can write here. Should we be writing things in here that we're

[19:29] working toward taking concrete actions? And if we're not, should they even be in

[19:34] there? I I don't know. authority

[19:40] question.

[19:43] [laughter] Yeah. And the Lyn Lin Ferry.

[19:49] » Yeah. Have we done anything to make that a walkable destination location?

[19:54] » We've talked about >> Well, yeah. We put in an ice cream shop.

[19:59] Well, and if the if when Derek has his way and

[20:04] gets all the financing and stuff, then curbs, gutters, sidewalks, all that's

[20:11] going to go in. So, it's possible that it could still

[20:16] be more that way. And and the road could actually during that process be

[20:21] redesigned and not be such a um well it would just be designed to be

[20:27] more of you could have parking on there or some kind of you know you could

[20:30] figure all this stuff out. So that one's not really by the sky possible. it it's

[20:35] always been >> that that's more walkable now than it's

[20:39] ever been because you've got sidewalks along Tessan,

[20:43] » right? >> All the way up to um

[20:47] » all the way up to Lindberg, >> right?

[20:50] » And there are a lot of there are a lot of people walking on that, you know,

[20:55] along that route now that the that the sidewalks are there. And the discussion

[21:00] was to approach possibly the government get federal grants for for that

[21:05] improvement. >> Yeah.

[21:07] » What I'm talking about we're doing something about

[21:12] » we never came to a final conclusion of what to do there.

[21:16] » I mean we only have so much land that we can work with as the city,

[21:22] right? >> Well, we have we have right of way. So

[21:26] we have rightway. So, I mean, for instance, can you make Glindville a

[21:30] one-way street go going from Lindberg to 21 and put

[21:37] parking slots along it so that you can make it a walkable thing or

[21:43] » I don't think the stores are really >> Well, they aren't right now, but seems

[21:50] like Yeah, right now it seems like everybody is a drive to destination,

[21:54] » right? and not a walking destination. So, you would have to come up with more

[21:59] walking uh uh shops.

[22:03] » Yeah. >> So, but like you're you're not going to

[22:06] walk to get tire rims, tires, >> go get your haircut, get

[22:11] » right, >> get your window tinted and get a drug

[22:13] test or something out in the street >> and get an ice cream cone

[22:17] » and then maybe get some Botox on the way out. nails.

[22:23] » Well, you can get an ice cream and Botox. No,

[22:26] » I mean, you know, >> bicycle.

[22:31] » We need the bicycle stick. No, we don't because we get a bunch of

[22:36] » uh uh those bic It would be selling ebikes.

[22:41] » Yeah, we don't want ebike sales.

[22:45] » I I see them drive going up and down the park a lot.

[22:49] bikes. >> Which which parking lot?

[22:52] » Over in the park. >> In the park. Yeah. As long as they stay

[22:55] in the park. A lot of times they stay on Green Park. Right.

[22:58] » Well, that's true, too. I've seen a couple

[23:00] » and that's when the police gets gets involved.

[23:02] » Others means nobody has held on. >> Uh, and they're all Yeah, they're all

[23:08] younger and parental control seems to be lacking.

[23:12] » People have said they had to have helmets. Not a good idea.

[23:17] Kids should wear helmets all the time. Not these kids.

[23:22] Anybody hear that loud explosion from the park?

[23:26] » Explosion. >> Yeah. I called the 911 immediately

[23:30] because there was huge pump of smoke. Two cars came zipping out and we all

[23:35] stood there. >> Which

[23:39] » park? It was >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Not not the not the green

[23:45] parks. So somebody >> Didn't you guys go over to the park the

[23:50] other night as I called the explosion? >> Yeah, I mean there were three of you

[23:56] guys cars and the fire department came because

[23:59] » was that leftover fireworks? >> I don't know. It It wasn't fireworks or

[24:03] anything big >> maybe. And they didn't The police in the

[24:09] fire truck didn't stay long. We all stood out there waiting for them to at

[24:12] least come by and say, "Did you hear that?" Oh, they all went back. So, but

[24:17] it was loud. This is the second one. They Somebody

[24:22] else did one. It wasn't big like this though. So, they're

[24:26] » Is it inside the car? >> You said a car went

[24:30] » Yeah. two cars came driving out after >> really fast.

[24:34] » Well, not not too fast. Last time it was real fast. Dad complain about this.

[24:38] » Yeah. So, we thought they put those gates up.

[24:42] » No, no explosions in Green Park. All right. So, anyway,

[24:46] » okay. >> Anyway,

[25:08] on this acreage that says needs updating. Who does

[25:12] » on which what >> needs updating for the acreage

[25:15] » acreage >> on the last page? I don't know. Who does

[25:18] the

[25:22] » I had done one where I updated the uh street list because we added streets and

[25:29] they weren't there like Manor and uh what's the one across here?

[25:38] across from the fire station or I should say uh Antiggo.

[25:43] So there were some streets that we had. >> Yeah, I just noticed that

[25:59] single family land use. So yes, uh Clyde, well

[26:06] since we didn't change the uh zoning map.

[26:13] trying to think if

[26:22] the the zoning map didn't change. I would say the acorage

[26:27] should not accept

[26:31] roads. I guess the streets they put in that

[26:36] public change.

[26:40] When when was this what chart made? >> I'm sorry. The [clears throat] the chart

[26:47] that we're looking at that needs to be updated. What is it from? 2008 or 200

[26:54] 13. Okay.

[26:56] » 2013.

[27:01] » So I'm looking at the land use in the acreage.

[27:06] I don't think the zoning map changed for single family or multifamily or

[27:10] commercial industrial uh cultural recreational vacant

[27:16] architectural. So I would say roads couple of new subdivisions. I guess the

[27:22] one across uh from Antiggo. >> So that would be one,

[27:29] » right? And then the other one is uh Clydesdale Manor would be

[27:36] Clydesdale Manor on course. So then that we had pavement on that. Uh

[27:44] I got to see on 13th was did we already have Cedar Berry in 2013? I would have

[27:52] to. >> So if if if Cedar Bear was already in

[27:56] when we did this plan, then we're have to add probably just roads acreage

[28:04] based on those two streets that we have.

[28:12] manage neighborhood that's been added since this,

[28:16] » right? Uh but but the zoning map added as residential. So stay

[28:24] um and Paul on section 30 there's there's some reference to Metro Library

[28:33] that's going to come out other sections. >> Yeah.

[28:48] So yeah. Uh Lynch. Yeah. L.

[29:01] » Yeah. [laughter] Well, that's the second time it shows

[29:03] up.

[29:37] » [clears throat]

[29:41] » And the demographic data in that That's the one that you already

[29:49] » right

[30:05] [laughter]

[30:23] in the

[30:29] changes that I submitted already. I I uh

[30:36] I I kept the verbiage with Linddale because

[30:42] Nobody said anything, but uh

[30:48] and there's been there were some changes that we already did, so I tried to

[30:52] include them on the maps that I put in there.

[31:01] And then the one line of properties over on

[31:06] Green Park where the the guy has three properties in a row and they're single

[31:13] family. I I said I mean we already have uh

[31:19] multif family behind the nursing home on along Kors.

[31:25] Yeah. And the the little area next to that is the highway

[31:33] department and we eventually if they're going to be out of there that that's

[31:38] going to be multif family. So I just made those other three lots multif

[31:44] family. >> Well they are single family right now.

[31:48] » That's right. >> The only multif family we have would be

[31:51] the apartments. >> Right.

[31:53] » The apartments. He's just saying future his vision for those lots is multit.

[31:59] » Okay. >> So the future map doesn't mean you have

[32:02] to change zoning. It just means that's what

[32:05] » right >> if somebody came in and asked we would

[32:08] be able to point to this and say yeah that is that is our plan.

[32:12] » Did you mention county out >> what

[32:16] » did you mention county yard area becoming multif family?

[32:20] » He shows that on his map. Yes. >> Yeah.

[32:24] What was their response? >> Well, Derek, it's a it's a future. It's

[32:29] this is visioning. You don't go kick people out tonight and say [laughter]

[32:33] you got to go. It's like we're just letting the county know like we've told

[32:36] them a million years. You don't really fit in the middle of our city. So,

[32:41] whenever you got somewhere else to go, >> but when you do leave,

[32:46] this is what multi chang and they can take their tower with them.

[32:52] » Yeah.

[32:55] So, but the on those three lots over along Green Park that that guy I don't

[33:00] know how many months ago he came in and said, you know, they they want they

[33:06] called it multifamily things. Yeah. So, I say just change it

[33:12] and that's where a lot of our multif family

[33:15] his properties are. So, >> well, his goal was to stay plant

[33:21] industrial. That's where the bunnies at. Peter B.

[33:28] But another guy though that you'll recall was one. Yeah, that was kind of a

[33:33] Yeah. backed up. >> Well, but the guy that currently owns

[33:38] all that over there, he said he's going to uh go back to just getting somebody

[33:43] to go in the single family things that he has. Well, there's only one house

[33:47] over there. >> Well, I think he wanted to go in and use

[33:51] it. multif family like it or I'm sorry PLI like it was that was his goal is to

[33:58] get somebody in there and keep it PLI >> okay

[34:04] » but that did not work out

[34:09] » so so yeah multif family I think that's a good visual

[34:16] just >> and then uh I guess the other thing that

[34:20] I changed was what was in uh green over by

[34:29] the florals

[34:33] » uh you know where we wanted to put multif family things in there. I just

[34:38] went back to leaving it as single families

[34:44] because that's what's over there now. Uh there's a house with a beekeeper is

[34:51] there.

[34:54] » If there's if there's any kind of multifamily development

[35:00] uh on that property right along cores there u the the people in Ronny Hills

[35:08] are going to raise hell. They're they're in here

[35:13] frequently complaining about the traffic now. Oh, okay.

[35:18] » And the vehicle traffic and the and the uh and the trucks and whatever. And

[35:23] there's just there's no there's no good answer to, you know, to

[35:30] what they uh what they want solved. uh

[35:36] shutting the thing off and and having, you know, they they surely wouldn't vote

[35:41] for making that private property and they all pay for the streets and

[35:45] whatever, which is which would do what what they want to do. They want one

[35:51] entry, one entry, one exit said I don't I don't have cut through. And I and and

[35:58] they'd be in here with pitchforks, I think, if uh if we tried to suggest that

[36:03] there be a multifamily development on, you know, that would immediately access

[36:09] that that area that the uh what is a what's the street ter

[36:18] » py? Yes. That connects in. So

[36:27] proceed at your own risk. [laughter]

[36:31] » There has been discussion for 30 years to do something

[36:35] for all of that traffic cut through the traffic as they say.

[36:41] » Well, is that an issue that we need to try and solve?

[36:48] I don't know if you can solve it. >> Right.

[36:51] But you can discuss it.

[36:57] And I I agree with uh uh my uh the Paty Ronnie Hills people would have a huge

[37:06] [cough and clears throat] negative response to

[37:10] adding any more traffic through P

[37:37] All

[37:40] right, everybody.

[38:08] on the future map, Gary, when you say light blue for the the swim school area

[38:14] on St. John's Church. >> Yeah.

[38:16] » Um, is that light blue like institutional or light blue like light

[38:22] industrial business? >> Uh,

[38:28] I can't remember what that piece of property was.

[38:34] » Is that the swimming? >> Yeah. And I saw that you had put light

[38:39] blue and I'm just trying to figure out there's two kind of light blues on this

[38:43] thing. So I'm figuring out first of all which one. And then second about

[38:48] why >> flight industry and business and then

[38:53] » constitutional public and semi-public.

[39:01] I think swim school is commercial and so is the dealership behind all these

[39:07] commercial but commercial

[39:14] » behind all these >> I believe swim school is still

[39:18] commercial that's why

[39:21] » this isn't a zoning map but yeah it's >> so you would think that commercial stops

[39:27] right at uh St. John Church, but it does not. Commercial goes one business past

[39:36] St. John's Church.

[39:43] » Well, Kasa Gallardo was there and then Aldi's was at the swim school

[39:50] and then Aldi's sold it to swim school and then Aldi's moved in where Kasa is

[39:56] right now. Right.

[39:59] » So that's why it was commercial because all these was there.

[40:04] » Oh, okay. >> Anyway, I'm just trying to figure out

[40:07] which which light blue you're referring to.

[40:12] » I'm assuming light industrial business, not the in institutional public semi.

[40:18] » But because it's a pool and a swim school, I was making sure you weren't

[40:22] considering it a school and so therefore you

[40:24] » Oh, no. It's good. Yeah. >> Okay. So, extend What is on Lindberg

[40:29] business court down to that corner is what you're saying

[40:53] time had to be brown. >> Yeah, I agree.

[40:58] The other one I I can't remember what it is, but that long not long thing that

[41:03] had to be brown also.

[41:12] So yeah, that's the only changes that I

[41:33] All right, I'm gonna put some of Gary's things in for people to look at next

[41:38] month and make a few other changes and or next month or whatever. Right. But

[41:45] that's your homework. The the thing that I put in I started off since we're more

[41:50] concerned about residential people. So I started off I

[41:55] The old one doesn't start off

[42:08] 2.2.2. The Burlington monitor railroad right away should serve as an

[42:13] immortaration line and buffer between future residential properties to its

[42:17] northwest and light office commercial uses to the southeast.

[42:23] Uh anyway, I started explaining what our single family

[42:30] areas are in more detail than we had before and then went on beyond that, I

[42:37] guess.

[42:55] So yeah, I guess make whatever change you think and uh

[43:01] we can talk about it again.

[43:08] Good ideas.

[43:11] It only seems to happen when we have somebody else

[43:15] is somebody reminds us of our issues. >> Yeah. The things we should say.

[43:21] » Yep. I guess we should the other times we've had you guys think

[43:27] about this signs when they when we had 10 15 years ago uh when we had the fast

[43:36] foods and the billboards. >> Oh yes.

[43:39] » Menus I'm sorry menu signs. uh we're getting

[43:44] more elaborate and then we've had uh other signs to entice you into the menu.

[43:52] » So, so we had to uh overhaul our sign codes like to add

[43:58] uh new generation of uh of fast food signs.

[44:02] » Yeah.

[44:05] » Yes. And then we had the discussion about the

[44:09] billboards with the digital bill boards, >> right? Adding, subtracting,

[44:16] you know, one digital board. We got you got to you got to eliminate

[44:21] regular >> in particular the three there are along

[44:27] Green Road going over to Munich. Yeah, they they to eliminate some signs

[44:34] just to get >> right. Yeah, eliminate one and

[44:40] get one. And I don't know what to do about those

[44:45] uh currently residential properties along

[44:49] Green Park Road or the Union that are on the right side.

[44:55] » Yeah, the right side. not n not well non-conforming uh but since as Paul said

[45:03] previously if they continuously use it as residential for 30 years then I

[45:09] believe we allowed them to stay you can't just kick somebody out

[45:14] » no right so u but you say >> as for what you want in the future if

[45:21] they happen to leave or or turn it into a business Yeah, that that's what we

[45:28] would want to do. >> Well, there is one that is currently

[45:31] vacant.

[45:34] » It's vacant. >> Oh, it is.

[45:37] » Oh, okay. I >> think that's the one who had the couch

[45:40] in front of >> Oh, yeah.

[45:43] The couch is now gone. The one closest to the creek?

[45:48] » No, the one furthest away from the creek.

[45:50] » So, they just That was in terrible shape. They

[45:58] There's actually restor >> continue using it as residential

[46:05] » if it's you know

[46:09] » last month the guy that wanted to change >> that was old Green Park Road.

[46:15] » Old Green Park Road. Yeah. And you wanted residential. We didn't

[46:20] » I I wasn't here. So >> it's it's it's PLI district. Oh,

[46:24] » so remember uh Wilson Manufacturing next to Wilson were like four or five

[46:30] residential homes. Wilson bought all those out and then developed it as

[46:36] planned line by industrial. On the other end, you've got some old homes that

[46:41] [cough] were turned into businesses just like on

[46:47] on Yuma behind. >> Oh yeah. So turn it into businesses but

[46:54] didn't continue with their occupancy permits. So you didn't know what was

[46:58] there. I believe there was a guy that was at a landscape company of some sorts

[47:02] and uh storage. So if it switches from residential true residential to a

[47:11] business then you no longer have that residential

[47:15] protection. >> Right.

[47:19] He wanted his friend to live there

[47:25] » and all of those lots in Yuma are not performing use. So they were residential

[47:33] and they

[47:37] turned it into a business.

[47:42] It's been a while since I wrong. >> Yeah, that's a joke. Um, we have some

[47:50] some of that pavement down here that you mentioned from

[47:56] Matthew is the other. So, it's asphalt concrete in the area that that failure

[48:03] you have is belongs to Taco Bell. So when they developed Taco Bell and Golden

[48:09] Corral and uh uh Dairy Queen, uh Taco Bell took over that section and

[48:17] there's strip that goes all the way to uh all the way to Florida and that is uh

[48:24] pavement failure and I believe it's some great problem. So that it's private. Uh

[48:31] the concrete part was the new driveway for all the corral because Nobody wanted

[48:37] to um improve all the rest of the residents business owners did not want

[48:43] to uh contribute money to improving Yuma Drive private. So they opted to build

[48:51] their own private driveway to access their properties.

[48:56] So um I believe we're going to contact it Taco Bell.

[49:05] Yes. >> To tell them that they have a subgrade

[49:09] issue and possibly a public safety issue, but they would have to make that

[49:14] repair.

[49:18] » Motion to

[49:22] mis.

[49:32] What's that roadway?

[49:37] It's just a gravel road, I think, that goes into those three properties along

[49:42] Green Park that the guy wanted to >> That's a private driveway for the guy

[49:46] behind >> to the guy behind

[49:51] » Hill. Yeah.

[49:53] » So before you get to Cedar Berry subdivision, there's a

[50:00] road >> that there's a drive gravel driveway and

[50:05] that >> I wouldn't call it a road.

[50:07] » It's a gravel driveway for that resident in the back,

[50:11] » right? And apparently they they use it because

[50:15] of activate people back there.

[50:18] » Well, that's their only access, so they have to use it,

[50:21] » right? They have no other eyes. So they're it's it's basically a flag lot

[50:26] is what they call. You've got a driveway long driveway to

[50:33] [laughter] >> acres.

[50:43] Okay. >> He's he's done some improvements back.

[50:49] » Very nice. I think >> I have not tripped back there.

[50:52] » You know, he wanted to actually buy those lots and put his storage there.

[50:58] » Guess he didn't do it in time. So, >> well, it's it's residential

[51:03] » now. Yeah, that's the main thing. >> So, he could buy it, but it's it's

[51:06] residential, >> right? That was the problem. We should

[51:09] have done it immediately when the guy went to move.

[51:13] » Well, no. Uh, it was residential since the city incorporated. So city didn't

[51:18] come up with it. >> And right they would have kept the

[51:22] » industrial use going. They could have kept it going but they they let it

[51:29] park coming up right from facad on the right street by Ela.

[51:35] » Well that private >> it is

[51:38] » about two lots there. >> It's private. It's Yes. Two or three

[51:42] lots. Correct. You're correct.

[51:52] move that line.

[51:58] » Yeah, they wanted the uh boundary adjustment

[52:04] because I believe the lot line was going through the building possibly or

[52:10] » they built a they built a house after that. Well, I they built the house, then

[52:15] they came in and said, "Hey, we need to adjust the slot line."

[52:21] » Yeah, probably.

[52:27] » Or was it a rundown building that they rehabed or something like that?

[52:35] » I will second. Thanks. Motion to hear. Uh, did we do this?

[52:42] » You're [clears throat] not the chair, Derek. That's the chair's job. You just

[52:46] let him argue. >> This yellow thing that you have on on

[52:51] your zoning code for the marijuana regulations, that's how it's going to

[52:55] read. That's what it did.

[53:00] Hours of operation. I don't I didn't I don't know. I didn't put that in there.

[53:04] Um, how it's going to read is hours of operation, all sales or distribution of

[53:10] marijuana and any other products sold to the public marijuana dispensary facility

[53:15] shall occur only >> you're going to change the hours.

[53:18] » Uh-huh. Yeah. 9:00 a.m. to 10 p.m. Monday through Saturday and 9:00 a.m. to

[53:22] 8:00 p.m. on Sunday. >> Yeah.

[53:26] » But we'll change it after the >> Well, yeah. It's going to be in an

[53:32] ordinance >> just like that.

[53:34] That's one. There's sneak peek.

[53:39] » Well, uh I make [clears throat] a motion we do have miscellaneous.

[53:44] » Oh, do we have any miscellaneous? >> I don't think so.

[53:49] » Motion to adjourn. >> Thank you.

[53:51] » Second. Uh it's been motioned and second and

[53:59] [clears throat]

[54:05] » item 754.

Planning & Zoning Commission, August 4, 2026

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