[3:54] All right. Good evening.

[3:54] I

[3:55] d like to welcome everyone to

[3:58] the AUGUST 13th, 2026 meeting

[3:59] of the Greenville City Council.

[4:00] I

[4:01] m mayor P.J. Connelly for

[4:01] presiding over tonight

[4:01] s

[4:02] meeting. First, I

[4:02] d like to

[4:03] call on Mayor Pro Tem Forman

[4:04] for the invocation, followed by

[4:06] the Pledge of Allegiance.

[4:08] Thank you. Mayor. Um, I was

[4:12] reminded this week of my wife.

[4:16] And oftentimes that, uh, we

[4:16] don

[4:19] t remember what the reason

[4:22] is that we do this work. And so

[4:23] I was led to share with us

[4:26] tonight, uh, first Corinthians

[4:29] 13. And it goes as if I speak

[4:33] in tongues of men or of angels,

[4:36] but do not have love. I

[4:36] m only

[4:40] a resounding gong or cymbal

[4:44] clanging. If I have the gifts

[4:47] of prophecy and can fathom all

[4:49] mysteries and all knowledge.

[4:51] And if I have faith and can

[4:53] move mountains, but do not have

[4:56] love, I am nothing. If I give

[4:59] all I possess to the poor, and

[5:01] give over my body to hardship,

[5:04] that I MAY boast only, but do

[5:05] not have love, I

[5:06] ve gained

[5:09] nothing. Love is patient. Love

[5:13] is kind. Love does not envy. It

[5:15] does not boast. It is not

[5:18] proud. It does not dishonor

[5:21] others. It is not self-seeking.

[5:24] It is not easily angered. It

[5:27] keeps no record of wrongs. Love

[5:29] does not delight in evil, but

[5:34] rejoices in truth. It always

[5:37] protects, always trust, always

[5:39] hopes. And it always

[5:41] perseveres. And my favorite

[5:43] part of this is verse eight

[5:46] that says, love never fails.

[5:47] Amen.

[5:48] Please stand for the Pledge of

[5:52] Allegiance.

[5:54] And allegiance to the flag of

[5:57] the United States of America,

[5:59] and to the Republic for which

[6:01] it stands. One nation under

[6:04] GOD, indivisible, with liberty

[6:10] and justice for all.

[6:11] MADAM Clerk, will you please

[6:12] call the roll?

[6:14] Yes, sir. Mayor Connolly here.

[6:16] Mayor Pro Tem Forman. Here.

[6:17] Council member Jones. Here.

[6:19] Council member. Hardy. Here.

[6:20] Um, Councilmember Sculley has

[6:21] let us know he will not be

[6:22] attending this evening. Council

[6:23] member Robinson here. Council

[6:24] member Willis here. All right.

[6:25] Mayor Connolly of.

[6:26] Thank you very much. We

[6:26] ll now

[6:27] move on to approval of

[6:27] tonight

[6:28] s agenda. MISTER

[6:29] Manager, any recommended

[6:29] changes?

[6:30] I have no changes.

[6:31] All right. Do I have a motion

[6:31] to approve?

[6:32] Motion to approve. Second.

[6:33] All right. Motion has been made

[6:35] by Councilmember Jones and by

[6:35] Councilmember Robinson. All

[6:36] those in favor say aye. Aye,

[6:38] aye. Opposed. Say nay.

[6:39] Motion passes five zero.

[6:43] Move on to special recognitions.

[6:50] I

[6:52] d like to ask Glen Wooten to

[7:00] come forward. Family.

[7:06] Sorry.

[7:11] So it is my honor to recognize

[7:14] Glen Wooten for his retirement

[7:16] from the city of Greenville.

[7:16] And I

[7:17] d just like to take a few

[7:20] minutes to read some comments

[7:22] that came directly from some of

[7:25] your coworkers. Just about you.

[7:28] All right, Glen, you, uh, you

[7:30] began your work with the city

[7:33] right out of high school, and,

[7:34] uh, started when the Public

[7:35] Works Department spent several

[7:37] years there and then

[7:38] transitioned over to the

[7:40] Recreation and Parks Department

[7:42] over the course of your career.

[7:44] Glen, you a valuable member of

[7:48] the team and built a reputation

[7:50] for doing things the right way.

[7:52] Now, they say, if you know

[7:54] Glen, you know that his truck

[7:56] and his tools retrieve like

[7:59] Fort Knox and everything was

[8:02] always locked up, organized,

[8:05] and exactly where it belonged.

[8:07] Glen is an incredibly skilled

[8:10] welder and craftsman, and

[8:11] someone who takes pride in his

[8:14] work as a building facilities

[8:16] technician and the department

[8:16] s

[8:19] chief playground inspector. He

[8:20] made sure the facilities were

[8:23] safe, clean and ready for the

[8:24] use by the public. Glen also

[8:26] spent his time mentoring

[8:28] younger employees throughout

[8:30] his career, passing on his eye

[8:32] for detail and workplace

[8:34] knowledge. The attention to

[8:36] detail and willingness to teach

[8:37] others are some of Glen

[8:38] s

[8:39] greatest qualities as an

[8:42] employee. And Glen, we, uh, we

[8:43] were fortunate enough to spend

[8:46] some time together a couple of

[8:48] weeks ago, and I told you at

[8:50] that point in time that that I

[8:52] felt that there was no greater,

[8:54] you know, gift in your life

[8:56] than to serve others. And

[8:58] clearly, that number of years

[9:00] you have gone above and beyond

[9:02] to serve this community and

[9:03] touched the lives of people

[9:04] that you

[9:05] ll never know. But

[9:07] now, after reading all the

[9:08] great things that your your

[9:09] department had to say about

[9:10] you, I

[9:11] d say also with that,

[9:11] there

[9:13] s no greater honor than

[9:14] to have individuals that you

[9:17] have worked around for years

[9:19] talk so great about what type

[9:20] of person you are, not just

[9:21] worker, but what kind of person

[9:23] you are. So on behalf of the

[9:24] City Council and the city

[9:25] manager

[9:26] s office and

[9:28] recreation, parks,

[9:30] congratulations and GOD bless

[9:31] you. Thank you for everything

[9:31] you

[9:32] ve done for the City of

[9:42] Greenville. Try to get this

[9:43] right without dropping it and

[9:44] breaking it, okay? Because it

[9:44] s

[9:46] got the mayor in my name and my

[9:48] name on it says in recognition

[9:51] of 29 years and eight months of

[9:54] outstanding service, we extend

[9:56] our sincere appreciation to

[9:58] Ronald Glen Wooten.

[9:59] Congratulations.

[10:11] Thank you.

[10:13] All right.

[10:15] Now, if I could ask the members

[10:16] of the impact generates

[10:18] influence basketball team, both

[10:19] the 12 you and the high school

[10:20] team to come forward. Any

[10:48] members that we MAY have.

[10:50] Congratulations, guys. Bring

[10:53] your.

[10:53] Oh.

[10:55] Hell yeah. There. You got it.

[10:57] I said earlier, I was I if I

[10:58] just had a little bit more

[10:59] time, I would have set that

[11:00] basketball gold up on the first

[11:02] floor. So we could have had the

[11:03] game before the meeting

[11:06] started. It is also, uh, my

[11:10] honor to recognize the igi. And

[11:10] that

[11:11] s what I will say. The the

[11:12] impact generates influence

[11:15] basketball team. Both the 12

[11:17] team and the high school team.

[11:20] They are local aew program with

[11:22] both a 12 year team again and a

[11:24] high school team all year long.

[11:26] Teams go head to head with

[11:28] tough competition and always

[11:30] bringing their best. They have

[11:32] some awesome wins lately. Let

[11:34] me tell you about those. The 12

[11:37] u team took home the 2025

[11:39] National Championship, and the

[11:41] high school team grabbed second

[11:43] place at nationals this year.

[11:45] But iga is about more than just

[11:47] basketball. They really focus

[11:49] on teaching their players to

[11:51] work hard, make good choices

[11:54] and stay true to themselves.

[11:55] The lessons learned on the

[11:57] court help shape what these

[11:59] athletes are and prepare them

[12:01] for whatever comes next in

[12:02] life. And now, what I

[12:02] d like to

[12:04] do is it might not be everyone

[12:06] here, but I would like to to

[12:09] recognize those with you where

[12:10] the certificates.

[12:13] Right here. So.

[12:13] I

[12:14] m going to.

[12:15] Let.

[12:16] So I

[12:17] m going to start with the

[12:20] 12 u team. And council member

[12:22] Tonya Foreman would like to

[12:24] present you with a certificate.

[12:25] Well, let me see if I can get

[12:27] this going right here. So we

[12:32] have, uh, Cruz Arrington.

[12:37] Domini Byram.

[12:40] Congratulations.

[12:43] Amari Smith.

[12:45] Congratulation.

[12:55] Jj Jones. Kamari. Farmer.

[13:01] Carter. Smith. Jordan. Smith.

[13:05] Zion. Cherry. Kaden. Taft.

[13:09] Troy. Harris and Jeremiah

[13:16] Williams. What a great honor.

[13:16] Guys, let

[13:27] s give them a. Now we

[13:34] have the high school kids.

[13:37] Okay.

[13:37] Let

[13:41] s try to double team this.

[13:50] We have Brenden Porter.

[13:54] Christian Eisler.

[13:58] Not here.

[14:07] Uh, Jackson Foster. Jalen Rasco.

[14:17] Keyon Beal. Keyshawn farmer.

[14:26] Landon. Ashley. Loyalty. Fuller.

[14:38] Enrique. Beal. Bonham. Ty.

[14:43] Daniels. And where

[14:44] s coach at?

[14:44] Where

[14:45] s Antoine.

[14:47] At?

[14:51] Come on up, dude. And, uh,

[15:06] Coach Smith. Tony.

[15:08] Amari.

[15:09] And Kamari. I

[15:10] d like to

[15:16] recognize Kamara as well. So

[15:17] now I

[15:18] ll turn it over to

[15:21] council members.

[15:23] I just want to make sure that

[15:25] these teams are acknowledged

[15:28] for their hard work, their

[15:30] commitment and excellence, as

[15:31] well as the coaches and the

[15:33] families that have supported

[15:35] them to accomplish these goals.

[15:36] These are great accomplishments

[15:38] that they work very hard for.

[15:38] I

[15:41] m proud of you guys.

[15:43] Also, I want to echo that too.

[15:44] Congratulations, guys. It

[15:44] s

[15:45] awesome to be able to see you

[15:46] guys competing at such a high

[15:47] level, representing our

[15:50] community, going out there and

[15:51] showing good sportsmanship.

[15:53] Thank you to the coaches. Uh,

[15:54] the coaches, uh, are they pour

[15:56] a lot of their time and effort

[15:58] into making sure that they

[15:58] teach you the game, but they

[15:58] re

[16:00] also teaching you other things,

[16:00] too, that you

[16:01] re going to take

[16:02] the rest of your life. So thank

[16:03] you for doing that and stepping

[16:04] up. It

[16:04] s not easy. It

[16:05] s a huge

[16:06] time commitment. I know that.

[16:06] It

[16:06] s, uh, it

[16:07] s tough sometimes

[16:09] you have to take off work. Uh,

[16:09] but it

[16:10] s good. And I think

[16:11] these guys will appreciate

[16:12] everything that you

[16:12] ve done

[16:13] over this season. And they

[16:13] re

[16:14] going to continue to look back

[16:17] at you as a good role model for

[16:19] making them better in life as

[16:31] they get older. So thank you.

[16:57] Okay. All right.

[17:05] For. All right.

[17:05] Now I

[17:07] d like to invite the 252

[17:09] ladies warms up here. Come on

[17:42] ladies. All right. These young

[17:57] ladies are swarming the stage.

[18:00] All right. Again, it is my

[18:02] honor to recognize the two,

[18:04] five, two ladies swarm. This is

[18:07] a local, uh, a local aew team

[18:09] that has achieved remarkable

[18:11] success in their inaugural

[18:14] inaugural year of competition.

[18:15] The team is made up of players

[18:17] from Pitt County, many of whom

[18:19] have previously played together

[18:20] in all star leagues and

[18:22] tournaments, with a regular

[18:24] season record of 16 and five,

[18:25] they earned the opportunity to

[18:27] compete at Nationals in

[18:29] Virginia Beach. They came

[18:31] second to a more seasonal and

[18:34] experienced team, just shy of

[18:35] the championship by one point,

[18:37] which is basically basically

[18:38] winning. Their outstanding

[18:40] performance is a tournament to

[18:42] their strong work ethic,

[18:44] determination and discipline.

[18:46] Now, I would also like to

[18:47] recognize each of you young

[18:49] ladies and present you with a

[18:52] certificate. We have scholar

[18:53] Zachary.

[18:55] All.

[19:06] London Pierce. Eva. Kate

[19:13] Stilton. Chelsea. Wilkes.

[19:26] Brielle. Little. Zoe. Watts.

[19:41] Jory. Morgan. Shayna. Heath. I

[19:45] love this name. Carmen. Cordon.

[19:49] Oh.

[19:51] I have to get. I have to get my

[19:53] spell checker. Get on my spell.

[19:57] Checker. Uh.

[20:13] Uh, Levy. Mia. Perry. And we.

[20:13] Let

[20:14] s all give them another

[20:14] round of.

[20:24] Applause.

[20:25] Anything else? What are you.

[20:27] Did?

[20:43] Yeah. Fumbling. So I want to

[20:45] reiterate the congratulations

[20:46] that I have for these young

[20:48] ladies. I have seen them play.

[20:49] And these are some real

[20:52] ballers. You all. Um, also, I

[20:54] want to elevate Mia Perry

[20:56] because I understand that she

[20:58] was the highest scorer as well

[21:01] as, um, had the most rebounds.

[21:04] Is that correct? Huh? She

[21:05] s

[21:08] acting shy. Alrighty. Okay, so

[21:08] we

[21:09] re gonna elevate her for

[21:11] that and, um, and congratulate

[21:12] the coaches also, thank you

[21:14] guys for everything you do in

[21:20] our community.

[21:22] Congratulations, ladies. Again.

[21:22] Um, I

[21:23] m not going to say that I

[21:25] who it was, but I talked to one

[21:26] of the ladies up here, and I

[21:26] asked them if they could take

[21:29] the guys, and they gave me a.

[21:31] Yeah. So, hey, I

[21:32] m just saying.

[21:34] So if something. Hey, if

[21:35] something takes place in the

[21:36] parking lot down there, I get

[21:38] it, okay. Hey. Congratulations,

[21:38] lady. We

[21:39] re really proud of

[21:39] you. I think it

[21:40] s awesome the

[21:42] accomplishment that you, uh,

[21:43] you were able to to accomplish

[21:45] with, uh, coming in second

[21:45] place. That

[21:47] s awesome. Hey, the

[21:48] one thing I always tell my

[21:48] girls. I

[21:49] m a coach. I coach

[21:50] softball. One thing I always

[21:52] tell them is, is when you lose,

[21:54] make sure you take that the

[21:56] next game that you play and

[21:57] make you work even harder. So

[21:58] that that next time you

[21:58] re the

[21:59] one celebrating, you

[22:00] re not the

[22:01] one with your heads down,

[22:02] crying and upset that you

[22:02] didn

[22:03] t win. Make sure that you

[22:05] always work as hard as you

[22:06] possibly can, because it will

[22:07] translate from what you do on

[22:09] the basketball court into life.

[22:10] And make sure that you work as

[22:11] hard as you possibly can,

[22:12] because anything that you want

[22:13] to do in life, you can

[22:14] accomplish and never forget

[22:24] that. Congratulations.

[22:44] I sounds great.

[22:44] You know, I

[22:46] m used to it.

[22:46] That

[22:48] s all that. Hey.

[22:49] It happens, man.

[22:50] You got.

[22:51] I try to give a hand.

[22:53] To shrug it off. I

[22:54] ll sit right

[22:57] here. All right?

[22:57] I won

[22:59] t be the last time.

[23:01] I hear the Lady Swarm team is

[23:02] they got a team. I

[23:02] ve heard

[23:02] there

[23:03] s some ballers. That

[23:03] s a

[23:05] really good place, I really do.

[23:07] I got the inside track.

[23:08] You would be surprised.

[23:10] I probably about 30, huh? So

[23:11] first, here

[23:12] s, you know. Can

[23:14] you imagine? So I

[23:14] d love to see

[23:14] it. I

[23:15] d love to see it.

[23:16] And they

[23:17] re at various schools

[23:20] around the city. So..

[23:20] Yeah.

[23:22] Can you play basketball?

[23:23] I was a point guard.

[23:23] Oh. Are you.

[23:25] Where are you? Good shooter.

[23:27] I was yeah, I was.

[23:29] I could imagine.

[23:29] You know.

[23:30] Did you break some ankles?

[23:31] I was a Dennis Rodman a

[23:33] rebound. Oh, I was pretty good.

[23:34] No good. Hi.

[23:34] I

[23:34] m. I

[23:35] m pretty good.

[23:35] I

[23:36] m gonna have to.

[23:36] I

[23:36] m gonna have to look up some

[23:37] of that.

[23:44] Footage. All right.

[23:45] Okay, good. All right, we

[23:46] ll

[23:46] move on to the public comment.

[23:48] Period of time periods. Period.

[23:48] Reserve for comments to public

[23:49] items that were scheduled to be

[23:50] a subject of a hearing.

[23:51] Conducted this meeting or

[23:52] another meeting in the same

[23:53] week shall not be discussed. A

[23:54] total of 30 minutes is

[23:55] allocated, with each individual

[23:56] being allowed no more than

[23:57] three minutes. Individuals who

[23:59] register will speak or register

[24:00] with the City Clerk will speak

[24:02] in the order registered until

[24:02] the allotted 30 minutes

[24:04] expires. If time remains after

[24:05] all persons have registered

[24:06] have spoken, individuals did

[24:06] not register will have an

[24:07] opportunity to until the lot of

[24:09] 30 minutes expires. MADAM

[24:10] Clerk, our first speaker.

[24:12] Yes, sir. First speaker is MISS

[24:13] Gwen Green. You have three

[24:14] minutes to address the mayor

[24:15] and council at that podium

[24:20] right there.

[24:21] Today

[24:30] s date.

[24:33] Mayor Conley, Mayor Pro Tem

[24:35] Forman, city council members,

[24:37] city staff and members of the

[24:39] community. Good evening.

[24:40] Good evening.

[24:40] I

[24:42] m Gwen Green. I

[24:43] m a

[24:46] Greenville resident. And I

[24:47] think of myself as being a

[24:48] vested and involved community

[24:51] member. I serve in

[24:53] organizations like Delta Sigma

[24:55] Theta sorority. I serve on many

[24:57] community committees. The

[24:58] National Council of Negro Women

[24:59] where I serve on the Budget and

[25:01] Finance Committee. I

[25:01] m a

[25:03] regular volunteer at my church,

[25:06] Koinonia Christian Center. I

[25:08] also volunteered with the West

[25:09] Greenville Health Council,

[25:11] where I co-wrote the proposal

[25:13] that brought face masks, hand

[25:14] sanitizer and other supplies to

[25:16] nonprofits, community

[25:18] organizations, and churches,

[25:19] along with now volunteering

[25:21] with Pastor Rodney Coles of the

[25:21] church

[25:22] s outreach network to

[25:23] establish children

[25:24] s book clubs

[25:26] and afterschool programs, we

[25:26] re

[25:28] hoping to disrupt the school to

[25:30] prison pipeline. And before I

[25:34] moved here some 12 years ago, I

[25:35] volunteered with a number of

[25:36] other volunteer organizations,

[25:38] including a community

[25:40] development board and a

[25:44] redevelopment board. In total

[25:46] transparency. I also serve as a

[25:48] commissioner on the Housing

[25:50] Authority of Greenville and in

[25:53] fact serve as its chair

[25:55] tonight. However, in the time I

[25:57] have left, I

[25:58] d like to allay

[26:00] the fears of some of the city

[26:06] councilors. The Housing

[26:09] Authority staff truly are

[26:11] working every day to provide

[26:13] safe, decent housing for our

[26:17] residents. I will concede to

[26:19] you that they

[26:20] re working under

[26:23] some very difficult

[26:26] circumstances. Most of our

[26:28] facilities are some 4050 years

[26:30] old. It gets real hard to fix

[26:34] those up and clean them up to

[26:37] the standard that we would all

[26:42] like to live in. However. I

[26:42] d

[26:43] like to address a couple of

[26:45] other issues that were raised

[26:48] in your work session, one of

[26:52] which was the inspire report.

[26:54] As it was presented. It truly

[26:59] was pretty alarming. However, I

[27:00] want you to know the Housing

[27:02] Authority staff was responsive

[27:04] to all the issues that were

[27:08] outlined in the inspire reports.

[27:10] Life threatening issues as

[27:13] defined by hud include smoke

[27:17] detectors, gfci replacements,

[27:19] rust on electrical panels, all

[27:22] of which have to be repaired or

[27:25] replaced within 24 hours. While

[27:27] non-threatening issues must be

[27:29] corrected within 30 days.

[27:29] That

[27:30] s time.

[27:31] You keep going.

[27:34] So the reports for 2024 were

[27:36] corrected within 24 hours for

[27:38] things like smoke detectors and

[27:40] gfci units, including a water

[27:42] heater flute that had a

[27:44] downward slope. They were they

[27:45] were corrected. I

[27:46] ve got the

[27:48] details here for you. And a box

[27:50] back there in case someone here

[27:52] would like to see the paperwork

[27:58] itself. As to the finances,

[28:00] financial reports are provided,

[28:02] presented and accepted at every

[28:05] meeting. Reports on rent

[28:07] collection and defaults are

[28:09] discussed because that too is a

[28:10] key responsibility of the

[28:12] Housing authority to collect

[28:14] the rents and by federal

[28:17] mandate and outside audit is

[28:19] conducted annually by a

[28:21] reputable financial

[28:22] organization that is actually

[28:24] switched out every three years

[28:26] to ensure that we are going to

[28:29] get fair representation of the

[28:29] work that we

[28:30] re doing. The

[28:32] latest audit was conducted by

[28:34] Rector, Lofton and Reeder for

[28:38] the fiscal year 2025, and I

[28:38] ll

[28:39] read very quickly their

[28:41] opinion. In our opinion, the

[28:42] accompanying financial

[28:44] statements referred to above

[28:45] present fairly in all material

[28:47] respects, the respective

[28:48] financial position of the

[28:50] business type activities of the

[28:51] Housing Authority of the City

[28:53] of Greenville. As of SEPTEMBER

[28:55] 30th, 2025, and the respective

[28:57] changes in financial position

[28:58] and where applicable, cash

[29:00] flows thereof for the year then

[29:01] ended in accordance with

[29:03] accounting principles generally

[29:05] accepted in the United States

[29:07] of America as to a work order

[29:09] process, none of us are

[29:10] satisfied with the existing

[29:12] process. The. The board

[29:14] receives a work order report

[29:16] every month it gets discussed.

[29:18] If not every meeting, then

[29:19] every other meeting. The need

[29:21] for a better system is, without

[29:25] question, needed. However, the

[29:26] Housing Authority is going

[29:29] through a total software

[29:32] transition. The transition is

[29:35] being phased in so that we want

[29:37] to make sure that things like

[29:38] grant funding is being

[29:41] accounted for properly, that

[29:43] our, um, accounts receivables

[29:45] and account payables, that it

[29:45] s

[29:49] working. And so if you will,

[29:50] the deadline for all of this

[29:52] phased phasing in will be

[29:56] completed by DECEMBER of 2026.

[29:57] But you got to give us time.

[29:57] We

[29:59] re not satisfied with the

[30:00] processes it currently is. We

[30:02] want tenants. We want our

[30:04] residents to be able to know

[30:06] that their work order has been

[30:08] accepted. Finally, as I know

[30:08] I

[30:10] m running out of time, I

[30:11] ve

[30:12] reached out to our Mayor Pro

[30:15] Tem at our last board meeting,

[30:17] I stated that we needed to get

[30:18] into a better relationship with

[30:20] the city, that it would not be

[30:23] possible to easily build brand

[30:25] new structures, brand new homes

[30:26] without support from the city.

[30:28] Members of City Council. I

[30:30] stand here this evening telling

[30:32] you I suffer with housing

[30:35] authority envy. I envy the

[30:37] Denver, the Durham Housing

[30:39] Authority because right now

[30:40] they

[30:41] ve got three developments

[30:43] in process various stages of

[30:44] development, one of which

[30:46] includes the Hey Ty village,

[30:48] which some of you MAY remember

[30:49] and recall. That

[30:50] s Durham

[30:50] s

[30:56] black market. Black Wall

[30:56] Street, I

[30:59] m sorry. There are

[31:01] many phrases that come to mind

[31:02] to describe the current

[31:05] situation. I think a failure to

[31:07] communicate at this point in

[31:10] time probably says it best. And

[31:12] so it is that I ask that a

[31:13] meeting be held with the

[31:15] Housing Authority to better

[31:16] understand not only what is

[31:18] being done, but what has been

[31:19] accomplished and what we

[31:20] d like

[31:22] to see going forward. Though

[31:23] there have been some quarterly

[31:24] managers meeting with city

[31:26] staff, clearly there needs to

[31:28] be more so that respectful and

[31:30] respected lines of

[31:31] communication can be

[31:33] established. I thank you all

[31:34] for listening. Thank you.

[31:35] Thank you.

[31:37] MR. Green.

[31:39] Thank you.

[31:41] MADAM Clerk, our next speaker.

[31:43] We do not have any additional

[31:43] registered speakers.

[31:44] Anyone else would like speak

[31:45] during the public period.

[31:46] Please come forward. State your

[31:48] name. For the record, you have

[32:00] three minutes. All right. See

[32:00] you now. We

[32:01] ll close the public

[32:01] hearing. We

[32:04] ll move on to our

[32:07] appointments. MADAM Clerk.

[32:07] Okay?

[32:09] Yes, sir. First appointment

[32:10] that we have is to the Invest

[32:11] Greenville Board. That

[32:13] s, um, a

[32:14] nomination made by you, Mayor

[32:16] Connolly.

[32:19] I would like to reappoint, uh,

[32:20] MR. Robert Cherry.

[32:21] Okay. They

[32:21] ll need some help.

[32:22] Make a motion.

[32:23] Motion to.

[32:24] Appoint Robert Cherry second.

[32:25] All right. Motion by MAY. By

[32:27] Councilmember Robinson. Second

[32:28] by Councilmember Jones. All

[32:29] those in favor say aye.

[32:30] Aye, aye.

[32:30] Those opposed? Nay.

[32:32] Motion passes five zero.

[32:34] Congratulations, MR. Cherry.

[32:40] Okay. And that concludes

[32:41] appointments from West

[32:41] Greenville.

[32:43] All right.

[32:44] Can you roll right on the.

[32:45] Number five. Okay.

[32:47] Um, boards and commissions,

[32:48] board of adjustment. Um,

[32:51] Councilmember Jones.

[32:54] I would like to, um, nominate

[32:58] the Lewis.

[33:00] All right. Is there a second?

[33:01] Second? All right. Motion

[33:01] s

[33:02] been made by Councilmember

[33:03] Jones. Thank you, Councilmember

[33:04] Hardy. All those in favor say

[33:04] aye.

[33:05] Aye, aye.

[33:06] Those opposed. Nay, nay.

[33:07] Motion passes five zero.

[33:09] Congratulations. And the Geo.

[33:10] Jones.

[33:10] Um.

[33:10] Hello.

[33:13] Lewis. Lewis.

[33:14] Yeah. That

[33:15] s Thursday.

[33:17] Uh, next we have the

[33:18] Environmental Advisory

[33:21] Commission. Um, that that, uh,

[33:23] appointment is assigned to

[33:24] Councilmember Skelly, so we

[33:25] will check with him next month.

[33:27] Um, next we have the Historic

[33:28] Preservation Commission.

[33:29] Council member Hardy.

[33:29] Uh, let

[33:30] s continue that,

[33:30] please.

[33:33] Okay. Um, we do have the

[33:34] Housing Authority appointment,

[33:35] however, that is for the

[33:37] resident Commissioner seat, and

[33:38] we are still waiting on a

[33:40] nomination from the residents

[33:41] Council, so I don

[33:41] t have one to

[33:43] give to you tonight. Um,

[33:44] multimodal Transportation

[33:45] Commission. Council member

[33:46] Jones.

[33:46] i

[33:48] ll let you continue that one.

[33:51] Okay. Um, also, multimodal

[33:53] Transportation Commission Mayor

[33:54] Pro Tem Forman.

[33:55] I would like to nominate

[33:57] Jonathan Metellus.

[33:58] Second.

[33:58] All right. Motion

[33:59] s been made

[34:02] by Mayor Pro Tem Forman. Second

[34:03] by Councilmember Robinson. All

[34:04] those in favor say aye. Aye,

[34:05] aye. Those opposed say nay.

[34:07] Motion passes five zero.

[34:09] Congratulations, MR. Metellus.

[34:10] Okay.

[34:12] Um. Next. Well, no. So

[34:13] multimodal. Transportation

[34:15] Commission Council member.

[34:15] Hardy.

[34:16] I like to continue that as

[34:16] well.

[34:19] Okay. Um, next we have the

[34:20] Greenville Convention and

[34:21] Visitors Authority.

[34:23] Councilmember Robinson.

[34:23] Um.

[34:24] Intend to meet with Rachel

[34:25] Whitten before I make that

[34:26] decision. And she just got in,

[34:28] so I want to do that. So I

[34:28] d

[34:29] ask that be tabled.

[34:31] Okay. Yes, sir. Um, next we

[34:32] have the planning and Zoning

[34:33] Commission. Mayor Pro Tem

[34:34] Forman.

[34:34] I

[34:37] ll continue that one. Okay.

[34:40] Um, police community relations

[34:41] committee, Councilmember

[34:42] Robinson.

[34:43] Uh, continue that, please.

[34:46] Okay. Yes, sir. Recreation and

[34:47] parks. Also, Councilmember

[34:48] Robinson.

[34:49] I would nominate Brian Fields.

[34:50] Okay.

[34:54] All right. Is there a second? I

[34:55] think I heard of this. I think

[34:57] I heard a split second there.

[34:58] Um, motion has been made by

[34:59] Councilmember Robinson, second

[35:00] by Councilmember Jones. All

[35:01] those in favor say aye.

[35:02] Aye, aye.

[35:03] Opposed? Say nay.

[35:04] Motion passes five zero.

[35:06] Congratulations, MR. Fields.

[35:07] All right, Mayor Conley, that

[35:08] concludes appointments.

[35:10] Thank you very much. We will

[35:11] now move on to new business,

[35:12] which are the public hearings.

[35:13] This is the policy of public

[35:14] hearings adopted by the City

[35:15] Council, petitioner or

[35:15] representative of the

[35:16] petitioner and a leader of

[35:17] those in opposition. We

[35:17] ll each

[35:18] have ten minutes Persis

[35:18] following. Then we

[35:19] ll have up

[35:19] to three minutes each with a

[35:20] total for each side, no more

[35:22] than 30 minutes. Additionally,

[35:22] we will remind those in

[35:23] attendance to extend the

[35:24] courtesy to person speaking

[35:26] during the public hearing and

[35:27] to the City Council during

[35:28] discussions. Comments made by

[35:29] members of the public are to

[35:30] occur only during the public

[35:31] hearing is allowed by the mayor

[35:32] in accordance with the adopted

[35:33] policy of the City Council.

[35:34] There should be no

[35:35] interruptions of speakers or

[35:35] council members, including

[35:37] expressions of support or

[35:38] disagreements or earlier by

[35:39] applause. As this is

[35:40] distracting and makes

[35:41] discussion difficult, we ask

[35:43] for your cooperation. Thank

[35:45] you, MR. Manager. Our first

[35:45] public hearing.

[35:47] Thank you. Mayor. Item number

[35:48] six ordinance to annex

[35:51] Cobblestone South involving

[35:54] 2.2168 acres located east of

[35:55] Allen Road and at the current

[35:57] terminus of Quail Drive. I

[35:57] ll

[35:58] now call forward our city

[36:00] planner, Deon Hodge, for the

[36:05] presentation.

[36:05] Yeah.

[36:07] Good evening, Mayor and

[36:07] Council.

[36:11] Good evening. I like it, I like

[36:13] it.

[36:15] This property is located in the

[36:16] southwestern quadrant of the

[36:20] city. More specifically, this

[36:21] property is located east of

[36:23] Allen Road and at the current

[36:25] terminus of Quail Drive. The

[36:27] current city limits are shown

[36:30] in green. The subject property

[36:32] is shown in red. This property

[36:34] is located in the Green Mill

[36:37] Run watershed. This property is

[36:39] located in the primary service

[36:41] area on the tiered growth map,

[36:43] and would be located in City

[36:45] Council voting district number

[36:47] two. This property is

[36:49] anticipated to yield 1010

[36:51] single family lots, with an

[36:55] estimated tax value of $3.25

[36:56] million. And that

[36:57] s. This

[36:59] property is located in the itj.

[37:00] It is important to note that

[37:01] under section six of Goose

[37:02] s

[37:03] charter, the development can

[37:05] still be provided. Sanitary

[37:07] sewer. If the annexation is

[37:08] denied, and I

[37:08] d be happy to

[37:10] answer any questions.

[37:11] Any questions?

[37:15] Uh, can you go back to the

[37:21] first. Uh, move forward? I

[37:22] m

[37:24] sorry. The map. The first map?

[37:24] No, it

[37:25] s the second map. Move

[37:28] forward with the red one. Yes.

[37:32] I just want to look at it again.

[37:40] Okay.

[37:41] All right.

[37:48] Any questions? Thank you very.

[37:50] Much.

[37:51] All right. The public hearing

[37:52] is now open. Those who speak on

[37:53] behalf, the applicant MAY come

[37:53] forth. Please state your name

[37:54] for the record. Your first

[37:55] person has ten minutes. All

[38:07] others have three minutes.

[38:08] Seeing none, those in

[38:09] opposition to the applicant

[38:10] come forward. Please state your

[38:11] name. For the record. The first

[38:12] person has ten minutes. All

[38:26] others have three minutes. I

[38:28] see none. Public hearing is now

[38:29] closed up for a board

[38:30] discussion or motion.

[38:32] Motion to approve. Second. All

[38:32] right.

[38:34] Motion for MAY by Councilmember

[38:35] Willis. Second by Councilmember

[38:37] Robinson. Any other discussion?

[38:38] All those in favor say aye.

[38:39] Aye, aye.

[38:40] Those opposed say nay.

[38:42] Motion passes five zero.

[38:43] Item number seven.

[38:43] All right. Thank you. Mayor.

[38:45] Item number seven. Ordinance to

[38:46] annex Lyndale East. Section

[38:48] five, phase two, involving

[38:50] 10.79 acres located at the

[38:52] current terminus of Remington

[38:54] Drive and Stonehenge Drive.

[38:55] Again, call for our city

[38:57] planner, Deon Hodge for the

[39:05] presentation.

[39:07] So this property is located in

[39:08] the southeastern quadrant of

[39:10] the city. More specifically,

[39:12] this property is located at the

[39:14] current termini of Remington

[39:16] Drive and Stonehenge Drive. The

[39:18] current city limits are shown

[39:20] in green. The subject property

[39:22] is shown in red. This property

[39:24] is located in the Fork Swamp

[39:27] watershed. This property is

[39:28] located in the primary service

[39:30] area on the tiered growth map,

[39:31] and will be located in City

[39:33] Council voting district number

[39:36] four. This property is

[39:38] anticipated to yield 21 single

[39:40] family lots, with an estimated

[39:46] tax value of $14.7 million. And

[39:47] as this property is located in

[39:49] the itj. It is important to

[39:51] note that under section six of

[39:53] gcs charter, the development

[39:54] can still be provided. Sanitary

[39:56] sewer. If the annexation is

[39:57] denied, and I

[39:58] d be happy to

[39:59] answer any questions.

[40:00] All right.

[40:01] Any questions for MR. Hodge?

[40:02] Just one. Do you anticipate

[40:03] that when they

[40:03] re built out,

[40:04] that they will connect to

[40:06] Stonehenge so they can exit out

[40:07] to Arlington?

[40:08] Exactly. Thank you. That seems

[40:09] to be the.

[40:09] Their goal.

[40:10] There. All right.

[40:15] Any other questions? Thank you

[40:17] very much. Public hearing is

[40:18] now open. Those to speak on

[40:19] behalf of the applicant MAY

[40:20] come forward. Please state your

[40:21] name for the record, the first

[40:22] person has ten minutes. All

[40:31] others have three minutes.

[40:33] Good evening. Good evening.

[40:33] I

[40:34] m Dwight.

[40:36] Nelson with Rivers and

[40:36] Associates. We

[40:37] re the agent for

[40:39] the owner. And, uh, be glad to

[40:41] answer any questions you MAY

[40:41] have. That

[40:42] s all.

[40:51] All right. Any questions? Thank

[40:52] you very much. Thank you. That

[40:54] was a great presentation.

[40:54] That

[40:55] s my.

[40:55] Favorites.

[40:58] All right. Anyone else is here

[40:58] to speak on behalf? The

[40:59] applicant MAY come forward.

[41:00] Please state your name for the

[41:13] record, you have three minutes.

[41:14] Seeing none, those in

[41:15] opposition to the applicant

[41:16] come forward. Please state your

[41:17] name for the record. The first

[41:18] person has ten minutes. All

[41:29] others have three minutes.

[41:30] Seeing none. Public hearing is

[41:31] now closed for a board

[41:33] discussion or motion.

[41:35] Motion to approve. Second.

[41:36] All right. Motion for MAY by

[41:37] Councilmember Hardy. Second by

[41:38] Councilmember Robinson. Any

[41:40] other discussion? All those in

[41:42] favor say aye. Aye. Those

[41:43] opposed say nay.

[41:45] Motion passes five zero.

[41:45] All right. Let

[41:46] s move on to

[41:47] item number eight.

[41:48] Thank you. Mayor. Item number

[41:49] eight. Ordinance requested by

[41:53] pobo llc to rezone a total of

[41:57] 56.3694 acres from ra 20

[41:58] residential agriculture to

[42:00] industry to industry for tract

[42:05] one, 47.5795 acres to o dash a

[42:07] office Conservation overlay for

[42:14] track 28.6062 acres and to o

[42:18] office for tract 3-0.1837 acres

[42:19] for the property, located at

[42:21] the northeast corner of the

[42:22] intersection of Old Creek Road

[42:24] and Tram Road. Costs for

[42:25] forward, our Assistant

[42:26] Director, Shanti Gubbi for the

[42:30] presentation.

[42:31] All right. Good evening.

[42:34] Good evening.

[42:36] Um, this property is located in

[42:38] the northeast quadrant of the

[42:39] city. Um, it

[42:39] s more

[42:41] specifically located along Old

[42:43] Creek Road. So just sort of to

[42:44] the top left. That would be

[42:46] Heister. Yale. This rezoning is

[42:48] divided into three different

[42:49] tracks. I

[42:49] ll go through them,

[42:50] but then I have a survey. I

[42:51] ll

[42:52] give you a little bit more

[42:54] detail. Um, but track one is

[42:56] the bulk of the property. You

[42:58] have tract two, which goes

[43:00] around the perimeter and then

[43:01] track three. I have a blow up

[43:02] of that. So it

[43:03] s just a teeny

[43:05] tiny little piece there. Um,

[43:05] and we

[43:06] ll talk about why that

[43:06] s

[43:10] been, um, uh, proposed for just

[43:13] office. So again, this is the

[43:16] breakdown of the different, uh,

[43:17] zoning that they

[43:18] re asking for.

[43:21] Track one is for industry.

[43:23] Track two is office with a

[43:25] conservation overlay, and track

[43:28] three is for plain office. This

[43:29] is a photograph of the

[43:31] property. So, um, Old Creek

[43:34] Road would be, uh, you know,

[43:39] sort of behind you. There is an

[43:41] activity center located along

[43:42] North Creek Road. Activity

[43:44] centers are where, um,

[43:47] commercial and even industrial

[43:50] is encouraged and expected

[43:52] under the current zoning, which

[43:54] is already 20 at full build

[43:55] out, the number of trips would

[43:59] be roughly 1600 and at full

[44:00] build out under the proposed

[44:02] zoning, the trips would be

[44:05] about 1548. So you have a net

[44:09] decrease of 48 or 43 trips. So

[44:10] because of that, um, when they

[44:13] did the initial analysis and it

[44:14] is a reduction in trips, then

[44:14] they don

[44:15] t go further with the

[44:17] staff report that you normally

[44:20] see. Um, the property is

[44:24] located in the second, the

[44:26] Johnson Mill Parkers Creek

[44:27] watershed. If stormwater is

[44:29] required, it will require ten

[44:31] year detention. The property is

[44:33] not located in a special flood

[44:36] hazard area, and there are no

[44:38] potential wetlands, buffers or

[44:40] streams. Again, the property is

[44:43] currently zoned are a 20. Um, I

[44:44] want to briefly talk about

[44:45] tract two because that

[44:45] s a

[44:47] conservation area overlay that

[44:51] is typically not, uh, a or a, a

[44:53] zoning that we have. Um, this

[44:55] is a zoning that we

[44:55] ve had for

[44:57] years. This is not something

[45:00] under the new Youdo. And the

[45:00] reason it

[45:02] s used, and this is

[45:04] straight out of our Udo, is

[45:05] when property is zoned with

[45:07] that ca overlay, then that

[45:09] means that, um, you

[45:10] re

[45:12] prohibited from having

[45:14] buildings, structures, parking

[45:16] and drives, etc. On that piece

[45:18] of property. So it essentially

[45:20] acts as a buffer. And then just

[45:22] a little bit further, it says

[45:24] it shall remain undeveloped,

[45:25] vacant. And again, you can

[45:25] t

[45:27] put building structures or

[45:29] parking on it. And then one

[45:31] other requirement is as it has

[45:34] to be at least 100ft wide. And

[45:34] so that

[45:35] s essentially why you

[45:38] have tract two at that, um,

[45:40] with that surrounding tract

[45:43] one. And the reason why is

[45:44] because the future land use

[45:47] plan recommends industrial or

[45:50] logistics in grey. And then you

[45:51] have the green. And that

[45:51] s

[45:53] potential conservation open

[45:54] space. And we talk about that.

[45:56] Green serves two purposes. It

[45:58] can either serve as a purpose

[46:00] for um, potential environmental

[46:01] constraints. But it can also

[46:03] show that there should be some

[46:05] sort of a buffer between the

[46:07] industrial and then the yellow

[46:10] is residential. So in this

[46:12] case, the request is to put the

[46:14] conservation, at the

[46:16] conservation area overlay

[46:17] around the perimeter of the

[46:20] property, track three is that

[46:22] little tiny piece. And they

[46:24] have left that as part of an

[46:25] access. So that

[46:27] s why the track

[46:30] three is just office by itself.

[46:33] So again the land, the Future

[46:36] land use plan recommends, uh,

[46:38] industrial. The request is for

[46:40] industrial with again some

[46:41] conservation area overlay

[46:43] around the periphery and

[46:43] staff

[46:44] s opinion. The request is

[46:46] in compliance with the comp

[46:47] plan with the future land use

[46:49] and character map. Therefore,

[46:51] staff recommends approval. And

[46:55] at the JULY 21st, 2026 Planning

[46:56] and Zoning meeting, the

[46:58] Commission voted unanimously to

[46:59] recommend approval of the

[47:01] request and I will be happy to

[47:02] answer any questions.

[47:04] All right. Thank you very much.

[47:05] Any questions for MISS Scooby?

[47:07] I just have one. Is it my

[47:08] understanding that there

[47:09] s an

[47:11] additional buffer or, um,

[47:13] between that and the properties

[47:14] surrounding.

[47:16] It?

[47:17] Do you mean for tract two or

[47:20] tract two? Is the buffer.

[47:21] Tract to is the buffer? But

[47:21] that

[47:22] s more than what is

[47:25] normally required.

[47:26] Yes.

[47:27] Does that make sense?

[47:28] Yes. It will stay in its

[47:30] natural state. So whatever

[47:31] trees are there, those have to

[47:33] stay there. Right. And again

[47:33] you can

[47:34] t put parking and you

[47:35] can

[47:36] t put buildings in it. But

[47:38] you will still have the normal

[47:40] buffers that would be required

[47:41] as well. Okay. So let

[47:41] s say

[47:45] extra 100ft of no buildings and

[47:47] no parking lot is essentially

[47:48] what that accomplishes.

[47:51] And that is near Dnipro where

[47:52] Dnipro is being.

[47:53] Yeah, that

[47:54] s just kind of to

[47:55] the south of it along North

[47:57] Creek Road. Mhm.

[47:59] Can you tell me a little bit

[47:59] more about why there

[48:00] s a cookie

[48:03] cutter track three.

[48:05] I let the applicant but again

[48:08] okay. The, the tiny piece is so

[48:10] there can be access ingress and

[48:13] ingress and egress because you

[48:14] cannot put that through the

[48:17] conservation area overlay. But

[48:19] again we have a representative

[48:20] here who can talk a little bit

[48:21] more about it. But it was

[48:25] purposeful.

[48:27] All right. Any other questions.

[48:29] Thank you very much. All right.

[48:30] The public hearing is now open.

[48:31] Those who speak on behalf of

[48:32] the applicant MAY come forward.

[48:33] Please state your name for the

[48:34] record, the first person has

[48:36] ten minutes. All others have

[48:38] three minutes.

[48:39] Uh. Good evening. Mayor.

[48:41] Council member. My name is Ken

[48:43] Malpass, representing Po Bow.

[48:44] Um, to address your question,

[48:46] MR. Robertson, what it is is

[48:46] there

[48:48] s an existing gravel

[48:50] drive that provides access to a

[48:53] couple, um, owners in the back.

[48:55] This, uh, old tram lane that

[48:55] s

[48:57] been there for probably 75 or

[48:59] 80 years. And because of the

[49:01] way the conservation, um, you

[49:03] cannot put a private drive

[49:04] through it. So we had to

[49:06] separate out that so they could

[49:08] still keep that access is what

[49:09] it is. And we met with the

[49:09] neighbors. And that

[49:10] s how this

[49:12] conservation overlay came

[49:15] about. Um, we had a 50 foot

[49:17] originally that would match the

[49:18] vegetation, and they asked for

[49:20] another 50ft. And I think

[49:21] everybody was in agreement

[49:23] that, um, with the compromise,

[49:24] that that would be okay. We had

[49:25] to leave that or that would

[49:27] have negated the. Access by

[49:28] doing the overlay.

[49:30] That was kind of my

[49:31] supposition.

[49:35] Right. Thank you.

[49:36] Any other questions?

[49:37] All right. Any other questions

[49:41] for MISS Malpass? Thank you

[49:42] very much. Thank you. Anyone

[49:44] else that is here to speak on

[49:44] behalf of the applicant MAY

[49:45] come forward. Please state your

[49:47] name for the record. You have

[49:59] three minutes. Seeing none.

[50:00] Those in opposition to the

[50:00] applicant MAY come forward.

[50:01] Please state your name. For the

[50:02] record. The first person has

[50:04] ten minutes. All others have

[50:15] three minutes. Seeing none. The

[50:16] public hearing is now closed.

[50:17] Open for board discussion or a

[50:18] motion.

[50:20] Motion to approve. Second.

[50:22] All right. Motion was made by

[50:24] Councilmember Willis. Second by

[50:27] Council Jones. All those in

[50:27] favor say aye.

[50:28] Aye.

[50:29] Those opposed say nay.

[50:30] Motion passes five zero.

[50:30] I

[50:31] ll move on to item number

[50:32] nine.

[50:33] Thank you. Mayor. Item number

[50:35] nine. Ordinance. Ordinance

[50:36] requested by the Community

[50:38] Development Services Department

[50:39] to amend the Unified

[50:41] Development Ordinance. Udo, to

[50:42] add definitions and standards

[50:44] for short term rentals,

[50:46] homestay and short term rental.

[50:49] Whole house lodging uses in

[50:51] adding these uses to section

[50:53] 313. Table of uses as permitted

[50:54] uses in the following zoning

[50:56] districts are a 20 residential

[50:58] agriculture r-1 five s

[51:01] residential single family r9s

[51:03] residential single family are

[51:05] six residential single family

[51:07] or non residential or six

[51:08] residential or six a

[51:10] residential or six mh

[51:14] residential mobile home th10

[51:16] tiny home community. MR..

[51:18] Medical. Residential. MRS..

[51:19] Medical. Residential. Single

[51:21] family or office. Residential

[51:24] cd downtown commercial and cdf

[51:26] downtown commercial fringe. Now

[51:28] call for an Assistant Director.

[51:29] Shanti Gooby for the

[51:30] presentation.

[51:30] I don

[51:31] t want to say anything,

[51:32] but after you read that, our

[51:33] whole crowd.

[51:34] Left.

[51:36] Almost our whole crowd. The the

[51:36] three in the back.

[51:37] Are here.

[51:37] We

[51:38] re here for the long run.

[51:41] Right?

[51:41] We

[51:42] ll try to make it as

[51:46] interesting as possible. Um, so

[51:48] again, um, short term rentals.

[51:50] Um, those can come on many

[51:51] different platforms. The most

[51:54] popular ones are Airbnb and

[51:57] Burbank, and generally you have

[51:59] two types of, um, short term

[52:01] rentals. You have what we

[52:01] re

[52:03] calling the home state, which

[52:05] is where you have a host on

[52:06] site with you, whether it be an

[52:09] apartment or a house of some

[52:11] sort. And then we have what

[52:11] s

[52:12] called, in the second

[52:13] definition, whole house

[52:14] lodging. And it

[52:15] s exactly what

[52:16] it sounds like. You get the

[52:18] whole dwelling to yourself. So

[52:18] we

[52:20] re just basically referring

[52:22] to it with the host and without

[52:26] a host. Uh, um, several months

[52:30] ago, city staff was, um, able

[52:32] to use some software that deals

[52:34] with short term rentals. Uh,

[52:36] this was done back in APRIL of

[52:39] this year, and we were able to

[52:41] identify some with certainty

[52:44] and some with not exact

[52:45] specificity of short term

[52:47] rentals that are in Greenville.

[52:47] So we

[52:49] ve shown those all with

[52:51] the blue dots. And then we

[52:52] broke those out into what

[52:53] zoning district they

[52:55] re in. And

[52:57] so at that time we had um,

[53:00] roughly 270 short term rentals

[53:04] in the city. So now to talk

[53:06] about the new standards that

[53:07] come with this, um, I

[53:08] m going

[53:09] to go through the homestay or

[53:13] with host first. Um, and one of

[53:14] one of the reasons why I

[53:14] m

[53:15] doing this is because a lot of

[53:17] these carryover to the second

[53:19] type of short term rental. Um,

[53:22] so again, with a host, um, the

[53:25] owner or operator does have to

[53:26] receive a zoning compliance

[53:27] permit. Um, it

[53:28] s a one time

[53:31] permit. Uh, there is no

[53:34] exterior advertising that

[53:34] s

[53:36] allowed. So no outdoor outside

[53:38] signage. The owner operator

[53:39] does have to supply a

[53:41] certificate of insurance. Uh,

[53:43] in the amount of $1 million in

[53:45] liability insurance for the

[53:47] property. And that has to be

[53:48] submitted with the permit

[53:51] application. Also, no special

[53:53] events or gatherings in excess

[53:56] of the registered guests and

[53:58] then any existing short term

[53:59] rentals as of tonight, if this

[54:02] is passed, has a year to get

[54:03] their permit with us. Right. So

[54:05] these are the existing ones.

[54:06] And then any new ones,

[54:07] obviously we

[54:08] ll go ahead and

[54:09] ideally

[54:10] Do their permit before they

[54:12] establish themselves as a short

[54:14] term rental. Um, we do

[54:14] recognize that we

[54:15] re going to

[54:17] have to do, um, a little bit of

[54:20] publicity to to bring awareness

[54:22] to them. Some people probably,

[54:24] um, MAY not even know that they

[54:25] have to do this. So that

[54:25] ll

[54:28] come if we, um, if you approve,

[54:30] uh, text amendment. Another

[54:33] thing that we added is that

[54:35] any, um, short term rental that

[54:37] receives either three citations

[54:40] or warnings for ordinance

[54:42] violations. Um, some examples

[54:44] would be noise, trash and

[54:46] debris or illegal parking. Um,

[54:48] within a 12 month period. MAY

[54:49] have their zoning compliance

[54:51] permit revoked. Um, again, the

[54:54] intent is to not be punitive,

[54:57] but the intent is to make sure

[55:00] that the Airbnb owner operator

[55:01] is a good neighbor. And so

[55:02] that

[55:02] s what we

[55:03] re really after.

[55:06] Um, it is subject to citations.

[55:07] And a little bit further, I

[55:07] ll

[55:09] tell you, um, the schedule of

[55:12] of the the amounts of the

[55:15] citations. This is for whole

[55:17] house. These are the same ones

[55:17] I

[55:19] ve went through. So I

[55:19] m going

[55:23] to jump ahead to whole house

[55:24] lodging. So whole house lodging

[55:26] means that the owner, the host

[55:28] is not on site. So we

[55:29] ve added

[55:32] two additional requirements.

[55:35] Um, if, uh, the person who owns

[55:38] or operates, um, the Airbnb

[55:40] does not live in Pitt County,

[55:40] then they

[55:41] re going to designate

[55:44] someone in Pitt County who will

[55:46] be a local contact. That could

[55:48] be a local contact or planning

[55:49] staff, local contact for even

[55:52] the police department. Um, so

[55:55] that that agent can accept any

[55:56] kind of issues or complaints

[55:58] and be able to respond to them.

[55:59] And again, this could be

[56:01] something as like an excessive

[56:03] amount of parking noise,

[56:05] perhaps trash and debris that

[56:05] s

[56:07] been left in the yard. But

[56:08] ideally that would be a local

[56:10] contact, easy for us to get in

[56:12] contact with than someone

[56:14] perhaps in Ohio that MAY not

[56:15] have an idea. Any of these

[56:19] things are going on again.

[56:20] Um.

[56:21] We already have the forms and

[56:23] everything set up to go so that

[56:24] if if this is approved, we

[56:25] ll

[56:27] be ready to go. So the form,

[56:29] um, for the agent is very

[56:31] short. It does lay out the

[56:33] responsibilities of that agent

[56:34] so they understand if they are

[56:36] going to be an agent for

[56:37] someone. What that means,

[56:37] again, that they

[56:38] re going to

[56:39] have to receive and respond to

[56:40] complaints.

[56:41] Um.

[56:44] This last section basically

[56:46] just again, not to be punitive.

[56:48] It does give a grace period

[56:50] that if you are, uh, you have

[56:52] an agent and that agent says,

[56:53] actually, I

[56:55] m moving to Texas.

[56:56] It gives you some time to

[56:58] appoint a new agent and get

[57:02] their information to us. As far

[57:04] as the citations, these are the

[57:07] same citations for any kind of

[57:09] zoning violation. And that is

[57:11] the first violation. Um, is

[57:15] $100 a second violation is a

[57:18] second violation within 365

[57:20] days of the first. That amount

[57:24] is 250, and the third, again is

[57:26] within 365 days of the first

[57:29] violation. And that amount is

[57:32] $500. This is the table of

[57:33] uses. And so what this is

[57:37] showing is that, um, all of the

[57:38] districts that allow

[57:41] residential, uh, we have added,

[57:41] you

[57:42] ll see the red piece. So

[57:42] that means it

[57:43] s a permitted

[57:45] use, does not require a special

[57:47] use permit. Um, this will be

[57:49] for both of those uses. So both

[57:51] uses will be allowed in the

[57:54] very same districts. In staff

[57:55] s

[57:56] opinion, the request is in

[57:58] compliance with the

[57:59] comprehensive plan,

[58:00] specifically. Chapter five

[58:02] Creating Complete Neighborhoods

[58:05] Goal 5.1 strong Existing

[58:07] neighborhoods Greenville will

[58:08] have strong established

[58:10] neighborhoods with the support

[58:11] for neighbors, with support for

[58:13] neighborhood organizations,

[58:15] high quality housing, unique

[58:16] character, and robust

[58:17] integration with the rest of

[58:19] the community. Um. Therefore,

[58:21] staff recommends approval. And

[58:24] at the JULY 21st, 2026 Planning

[58:26] and Zoning Commission, the

[58:28] Commission voted unanimously to

[58:29] recommend approval of the

[58:30] request, and I

[58:31] ll be happy to

[58:32] answer any questions.

[58:33] Right.

[58:34] Any questions?

[58:35] MISS.

[58:36] Uh.

[58:38] Shante, can you remind me of

[58:39] the period of time that an

[58:41] owner would have to replace an.

[58:42] Agent?

[58:44] We have said ten days.

[58:48] Ten days? Yes.

[58:49] And then you said it was a

[58:51] year. They have a year to get

[58:51] the permit. This is.

[58:54] Past for existing or

[58:56] preexisting ones. Yes. And

[58:56] again, that

[58:57] s probably going to

[58:58] take a little bit of word of

[59:00] mouth, um, to make people aware

[59:01] of that. But we

[59:01] ve given a

[59:03] grace period of a year.

[59:05] Okay. And then I can

[59:05] t remember

[59:08] if we, uh, finalize this, but

[59:10] what was the legality of this?

[59:11] I know we had discussed that in

[59:14] the workshop.

[59:15] The city attorney

[59:16] s office is

[59:17] of the view that this is a

[59:18] legally defensible, and it

[59:18] s,

[59:20] um, will be in compliance.

[59:21] Okay.

[59:22] Are there any other peer cities

[59:23] that are doing something

[59:25] similar to this?

[59:25] Yeah, there

[59:26] s several cities

[59:27] that have a short term

[59:28] ordinance, short term rental

[59:30] ordinances. Um, Raleigh.

[59:30] Asheville.

[59:32] So are they similar to what

[59:32] we

[59:33] re proposing?

[59:34] I think Raleigh was very

[59:34] similar.

[59:36] To. Okay.

[59:39] And there has been any case law.

[59:40] Nobody

[59:41] s tried to sue the city

[59:42] over it.

[59:43] Well, there hasn

[59:44] t been some

[59:46] legislation out of litigation

[59:48] out of Wilmington dealing with

[59:49] the rental registration

[59:51] challenge. But, um, we believe

[59:52] this is not a rental

[59:54] registration program. This is a

[59:55] regulation of short term

[59:55] rentals, but it

[59:56] s not a rental

[59:58] registration program. So we

[59:59] think this is legally

[1:00:02] defensible. And.

[1:00:04] Um. Can you go back to the

[1:00:05] citations again?

[1:00:10] Sure.

[1:00:14] And this would be, um, a notice

[1:00:17] of violation. So, uh, a parking

[1:00:18] through the police department

[1:00:20] MAY be a little different than

[1:00:22] if it makes its way to us.

[1:00:22] Let

[1:00:24] s say it is a parking

[1:00:27] issue. Um, and we would be

[1:00:29] notified as part of having the

[1:00:34] permits. 123 Main Street had a,

[1:00:38] you know, a kegger, and they

[1:00:41] had 25 cars. And we had to send

[1:00:42] the police out there and have

[1:00:43] them dispersed.

[1:00:44] Sure.

[1:00:46] And then as far as, like the

[1:00:48] complaints are concerned, um,

[1:00:49] are those complaints that are

[1:00:51] sent to directly to the city

[1:00:53] and then the city investigates

[1:00:55] to see if it

[1:00:56] s a legitimate

[1:00:57] complaint. And I guess where

[1:00:58] I

[1:00:59] m going with this is, is that

[1:01:00] each person

[1:01:03] s idea of quiet and

[1:01:05] peaceful is different in their

[1:01:07] and their type of nuisance is

[1:01:09] all always different. So people

[1:01:09] don

[1:01:10] t want to see any of it.

[1:01:11] Some of them could just be

[1:01:13] calling in, complaining just

[1:01:14] because they know what

[1:01:14] s going

[1:01:17] on inside the dwelling and know

[1:01:17] that it

[1:01:18] s something they don

[1:01:18] t

[1:01:19] want to see, but they just

[1:01:21] might be complaining. And so I

[1:01:24] guess my idea is, is I want to

[1:01:25] make sure that whoever

[1:01:26] s making

[1:01:27] the complaint is being vetted

[1:01:28] by the city, and the city can

[1:01:29] go ahead and say, well, this is

[1:01:30] a legitimate complaint. This

[1:01:30] isn

[1:01:31] t just somebody that

[1:01:31] s

[1:01:31] angry and just doesn

[1:01:32] t like

[1:01:34] that particular neighbor and

[1:01:35] their property.

[1:01:37] We deal with that a lot. Again,

[1:01:38] one person

[1:01:40] s tolerance is much

[1:01:41] higher or lower than their

[1:01:44] neighbors. Um, so along with

[1:01:46] the permit, we we have an index

[1:01:47] where we would keep track of

[1:01:50] the properties. Um, that would

[1:01:53] allow, uh, pd or even code

[1:01:54] enforcement to be able to

[1:01:55] cross-reference that. We would

[1:01:58] essentially be the the keeper

[1:02:00] of the information. Someone

[1:02:02] could still go on the city. Uh,

[1:02:04] compass. We would probably need

[1:02:06] to add that as a new issue from

[1:02:09] the dropdown box. And I would

[1:02:10] think that that would probably

[1:02:12] come through planning first.

[1:02:14] Um, if it is more of a of.

[1:02:15] A.

[1:02:17] A lot of parking, let

[1:02:18] s say.

[1:02:19] Um.

[1:02:23] The best solution would be to

[1:02:24] go through pd. Obviously it

[1:02:24] s

[1:02:28] not an emergency, but pd is 24

[1:02:28] hours. We

[1:02:32] re 8 to 5. Um, but it

[1:02:36] will basically the the

[1:02:37] different tentacles will still

[1:02:39] rest within the planning

[1:02:40] department is how it would

[1:02:41] work.

[1:02:42] So and I guess I think of the

[1:02:44] situation where you could have

[1:02:45] a neighbor that

[1:02:45] s just not

[1:02:47] happy. Right. And they find out

[1:02:49] that within a certain amount of

[1:02:51] complaints they could, you

[1:02:54] know, get the, the, the

[1:02:55] neighboring property that

[1:02:56] they

[1:02:57] re not happy with multiple

[1:02:59] citations and potentially get

[1:03:01] them into some legal issues. So

[1:03:03] I guess like my thought is, is

[1:03:04] if the police departments

[1:03:06] called out to, let

[1:03:07] s say, one

[1:03:09] of the short term rentals and

[1:03:11] they just say it was because of

[1:03:12] loud noise, they go out there

[1:03:13] and say it

[1:03:13] s it

[1:03:14] s nothing.

[1:03:16] Well, they call them again. It

[1:03:16] happens again. Let

[1:03:17] s say they

[1:03:18] come out there 4 or 5 times,

[1:03:20] and then the neighbor says, I

[1:03:20] m

[1:03:22] doing all these hypothetical

[1:03:24] things. Um, but this is

[1:03:27] probably a realistic situation.

[1:03:28] Um, they go out there and they

[1:03:29] say, well, they call the

[1:03:30] planning department. Say, well,

[1:03:32] the police have been out there

[1:03:33] five times. You know, I don

[1:03:33] t

[1:03:34] understand why we

[1:03:34] re not doing

[1:03:36] anything with it. How is that

[1:03:38] going to be handled? I guess as

[1:03:41] far as the complaint, because

[1:03:41] it

[1:03:42] s going to be law that the

[1:03:44] police were out there five

[1:03:46] times, but how legitimate were

[1:03:48] those five phone calls as far

[1:03:50] as an actual nuisance, right?

[1:03:51] Well, we would get the

[1:03:53] disposition right. So we would

[1:03:56] know if it was founded, if they

[1:03:58] showed up and it was quiet and

[1:03:59] everyone were being good

[1:04:01] listeners. So we as the

[1:04:02] planning department would have

[1:04:04] some idea. Yes. You have five

[1:04:07] calls for service, but actually

[1:04:08] only one time was there

[1:04:11] actually in an issue. So it

[1:04:15] will put on staff. Um, as

[1:04:19] sometimes there are of

[1:04:22] threading the needle of taking

[1:04:24] those different complaints,

[1:04:26] figuring out which really do

[1:04:28] hit a mark and which of those

[1:04:30] or maybe someone losing

[1:04:30] patience and they

[1:04:31] re calling

[1:04:36] every 15 minutes. Um, so that

[1:04:37] happens in other things as well

[1:04:39] when we get complaints. And

[1:04:40] what do you know, it

[1:04:40] s already

[1:04:41] disappeared by the time that we

[1:04:45] get there. But what will happen

[1:04:47] or what will at least give us

[1:04:50] some way of communicating

[1:04:53] directly is that either we

[1:04:53] ll

[1:04:55] have the person on the permit,

[1:04:56] or we will have a local

[1:04:57] contact, and if that local

[1:04:59] contact says, listen, this is

[1:05:00] my sister

[1:05:02] s place, great. Can

[1:05:04] you tell us who your sister is?

[1:05:06] And that is a way that staff

[1:05:07] can directly communicate with

[1:05:09] someone that we MAY not be able

[1:05:11] to reach. Um, they MAY have a

[1:05:14] run of bad guests, you know,

[1:05:16] and that happens as well. Um,

[1:05:17] but the other thing is that at

[1:05:20] least Verbo and Airbnb have a

[1:05:23] system themselves for if you

[1:05:25] live beside the property and

[1:05:27] you have issues, you can log

[1:05:29] those complaints with Airbnb

[1:05:31] and Verbo as well. Okay, so

[1:05:31] there

[1:05:33] s a couple of things. Is

[1:05:36] is a completely fail safe note.

[1:05:39] And there is going to take, um,

[1:05:43] some, some discretion of how we

[1:05:44] deal with issues that come up.

[1:05:45] Okay.

[1:05:47] Um, and then the other question

[1:05:50] I have to is as far as somebody

[1:05:52] that is in deciding about doing

[1:05:54] like a short term rental, let

[1:05:56] it be one of the two scenarios.

[1:05:58] What is there a penalty if they

[1:06:00] do not file? And I guess my

[1:06:01] thought process is you

[1:06:02] re going

[1:06:03] to have a lot of people that

[1:06:05] have been have not been used to

[1:06:06] it. There

[1:06:07] s never been a filing

[1:06:09] period. What type of penalty

[1:06:11] would be if somebody operating

[1:06:15] one and then staff is notified

[1:06:16] that so-and-so and my

[1:06:18] neighborhood is has an Airbnb

[1:06:19] and you say, well, it

[1:06:19] s not

[1:06:19] logged, we don

[1:06:20] t have them

[1:06:21] there. You send them a letter.

[1:06:22] Is there a penalty or is it

[1:06:23] just a requirement that within

[1:06:25] a certain period of time, they

[1:06:26] need to go ahead and file?

[1:06:27] Yeah. The first letter is

[1:06:29] always this has been brought to

[1:06:31] our attention. Again, we could

[1:06:33] be wrong. You MAY not be an

[1:06:35] Airbnb, but it starts with a

[1:06:37] letter. If you have any

[1:06:39] questions, please contact us.

[1:06:42] Um, and the other. And in these

[1:06:43] cases, we can direct them back

[1:06:44] to the planning site because

[1:06:46] the fillable forms will be

[1:06:47] there and they can go, oh, I

[1:06:47] didn

[1:06:48] t know I was supposed to

[1:06:50] do that. Click, click, click.

[1:06:51] And they send us what they

[1:06:54] need. Um, generally we give

[1:06:57] folks about ten days to respond.

[1:06:57] If we don

[1:06:58] t hear anything,

[1:06:58] we

[1:07:04] ll do a second. And of. We

[1:07:06] can do citations, which is what

[1:07:07] is in front of you. We can do

[1:07:10] that. Schedule of citations.

[1:07:11] Um, but obviously we want to

[1:07:12] make very sure that we are

[1:07:13] actually trying to track a

[1:07:14] short term rental. And it

[1:07:15] s not

[1:07:17] something else. But the very

[1:07:20] first thing would be a nice,

[1:07:22] firm letter. We believe you

[1:07:23] might be operating short term

[1:07:25] rental, and we would need you

[1:07:27] to apply for the permit.

[1:07:29] Final question. I see we got

[1:07:31] first, second and third. What

[1:07:31] s

[1:07:33] the fourth?

[1:07:36] There is, of course, that

[1:07:36] s

[1:07:37] where I

[1:07:37] m going to call MR.

[1:07:39] McGirt and say, MISTER McGirt,

[1:07:41] we do not have a good listener.

[1:07:42] What would we like?

[1:07:42] That

[1:07:42] s that

[1:07:43] s what I

[1:07:43] m going to

[1:07:44] say. And so then I then that

[1:07:46] turns my attention to is, I

[1:07:48] guess, probably revocation

[1:07:52] maybe of a permit. And I guess

[1:07:54] from a legal standpoint, how

[1:07:57] does the city defend removing

[1:07:57] somebody

[1:07:58] s legal permit to be

[1:07:59] able to operate a short term

[1:08:04] rental.? Right. As a property

[1:08:04] owner?

[1:08:06] We could bring a civil action

[1:08:07] to to collect the penalties and

[1:08:09] also bring an injunction action

[1:08:12] to revoke the permit. And, um,

[1:08:13] they will have to cease

[1:08:14] operating if we had a court

[1:08:15] order.

[1:08:18] So but I guess from a legal

[1:08:20] standpoint, how do we where do

[1:08:22] we stand if somebody says,

[1:08:22] well, you

[1:08:22] re taking away my

[1:08:24] property rights by allowing me

[1:08:25] to be able to operate a

[1:08:26] business out of the property

[1:08:30] that I own. Do do we have any

[1:08:32] case law that says that we have

[1:08:33] the right to be able to do

[1:08:34] something like that, where we

[1:08:36] can prevent somebody from

[1:08:38] actually having a rental?

[1:08:39] Well, the case law says that

[1:08:40] cities that have the authority

[1:08:43] to zone to zone buildings and

[1:08:44] land, um, the short term rental

[1:08:46] case that I was talking about

[1:08:47] out of Wilmington, it said that

[1:08:48] they had a Wilmington

[1:08:49] s program

[1:08:50] was illegal because it was a

[1:08:51] rental registration program.

[1:08:52] But the court said that the

[1:08:54] cities could still zone use

[1:08:56] zoning to regulate short term

[1:08:58] rentals. And we drafted this

[1:09:00] ordinance in light of that case

[1:09:02] so we could bring a civil

[1:09:03] action to to revoke the permit

[1:09:05] and cease them from operating.

[1:09:06] So so essentially, there

[1:09:06] s

[1:09:07] nothing I guess it would just

[1:09:09] be if somebody decided to just

[1:09:11] kind of like they could sue for

[1:09:13] any other reason that they

[1:09:14] would establish a case law.

[1:09:14] For it.

[1:09:16] They could try to sue and say,

[1:09:16] we

[1:09:16] re.

[1:09:17] Taking away their.

[1:09:17] Property rights.

[1:09:19] The case law is clear. Cities

[1:09:20] have the authority to his own

[1:09:23] property and to, um, enact

[1:09:25] short term rental zoning

[1:09:26] ordinances as well. You have to

[1:09:27] make sure that it doesn

[1:09:27] t. It

[1:09:27] s

[1:09:29] not a rental registration

[1:09:29] program or it

[1:09:30] s not a down

[1:09:31] zone, but the city has

[1:09:34] authority to to zone. So.

[1:09:37] We can zone. We also can put

[1:09:38] reasonable time, place and

[1:09:40] circumstances restrictions.

[1:09:40] We

[1:09:41] re not taking away their

[1:09:43] property, right. We

[1:09:43] re

[1:09:44] regulating it. And if they

[1:09:44] don

[1:09:45] t comply that

[1:09:45] s on them.

[1:09:46] Right. So we

[1:09:47] re not taking away

[1:09:49] if they comply. Nothing

[1:09:49] s

[1:09:50] taken. I mean they gotta do is

[1:09:52] comply with the and this is

[1:09:54] very reasonable. Probably it

[1:09:54] s

[1:09:55] a lot less than what I would

[1:09:56] like to say, but it

[1:09:56] s a

[1:09:57] starting point.

[1:09:57] Yeah.

[1:09:57] And I

[1:09:58] m not arguing that.

[1:09:58] I just don

[1:09:59] t understand. I

[1:09:59] m

[1:10:00] just saying I.

[1:10:01] Just want to see from the

[1:10:03] situation. If we get into that,

[1:10:03] because you

[1:10:03] ve got a lot of

[1:10:04] people that are operating right

[1:10:05] now, and I

[1:10:05] m sure they

[1:10:05] re not

[1:10:06] going to be real happy about

[1:10:09] the changes and having to to

[1:10:10] register and go through the

[1:10:12] process. And having this. My

[1:10:13] thought is you probably have

[1:10:15] some angry people, and I want

[1:10:15] to make sure it

[1:10:16] s defensible

[1:10:17] from a city standpoint.

[1:10:18] And again, it

[1:10:18] s not a

[1:10:19] registration. It

[1:10:19] s requiring

[1:10:20] them to get a zoning permit.

[1:10:21] And we

[1:10:22] re giving them one year.

[1:10:24] Those existing short term

[1:10:26] rentals are giving, given one

[1:10:27] year to obtain the permit.

[1:10:28] Okay.

[1:10:30] It would be the same thing as a

[1:10:30] homeowner who

[1:10:31] s subject to

[1:10:32] nuisance. We have a nuisance

[1:10:33] ordinance in the city of

[1:10:34] Greenville that has homeowners

[1:10:35] or people who live in a home.

[1:10:36] We

[1:10:37] re all subject to, and so

[1:10:37] it

[1:10:38] s no different. We

[1:10:38] re just

[1:10:39] putting in here like you

[1:10:39] re

[1:10:41] subject to these types of

[1:10:42] violations. If you don

[1:10:43] t run

[1:10:46] your business appropriately. I

[1:10:46] don

[1:10:47] t see any problem with it

[1:10:48] from a standpoint, because I

[1:10:50] look into this pretty heavily.

[1:10:50] I mean, I think it

[1:10:51] s a good

[1:10:52] starting point, and maybe we

[1:10:53] can even look further down the

[1:10:54] road, but I don

[1:10:54] t see any legal

[1:10:55] problems with it in terms of

[1:10:56] what we

[1:10:56] ve done, because it

[1:10:57] s

[1:10:58] so minor and it puts the onus

[1:10:59] on them that you

[1:11:00] re only paying

[1:11:01] any fees or anything if you

[1:11:03] violate what are typically

[1:11:05] reasonable standards. It

[1:11:05] s a

[1:11:07] nuisance and and use of drugs

[1:11:09] or controlled substances or

[1:11:11] noise ordinances and parking

[1:11:12] violations that we regulated

[1:11:15] for centuries in this city are

[1:11:18] not centuries, but a long time.

[1:11:19] Thank you, MR. Attorney.

[1:11:20] Thank you, MR. Attorney. You

[1:11:20] re

[1:11:21] welcome.

[1:11:23] I had the same questions, but

[1:11:24] it was from the other end of

[1:11:27] the spectrum that if somebody

[1:11:28] consistently violates, you

[1:11:29] know, what would happen

[1:11:31] because, you know, it affects

[1:11:33] citizens quality of life. So

[1:11:36] that was where my concern was,

[1:11:37] is what would happen at that

[1:11:38] point. So I appreciate you

[1:11:40] answering that question.

[1:11:41] All right.

[1:11:42] And then, uh, did you say that

[1:11:43] we don

[1:11:44] t know the exact

[1:11:45] location of all short term

[1:11:47] rentals?

[1:11:50] Yeah. The website that we used

[1:11:52] is more of a more of a website

[1:11:55] for an investor, but we were

[1:11:56] able to download that

[1:11:58] information. Some of the

[1:11:59] things, some of the properties

[1:12:00] we were able to identify,

[1:12:01] because people actually put the

[1:12:03] picture of the house on it. So

[1:12:03] we

[1:12:04] re like, oh, that

[1:12:05] s the one.

[1:12:07] Some, for whatever reason,

[1:12:07] don

[1:12:08] t put the picture out of

[1:12:09] the house. So the pen just sort

[1:12:12] of sits in the middle of the

[1:12:14] street. So we have a pen, we

[1:12:16] know about where it is so we

[1:12:18] can put it together. But but

[1:12:19] some of them are a little

[1:12:21] fuzzier. Um, so we had to do

[1:12:23] some sleuthing of our own to

[1:12:25] try to, uh, take out some of

[1:12:26] the static.

[1:12:27] So let

[1:12:29] s say potentially for

[1:12:30] one of the properties that we

[1:12:30] don

[1:12:31] t know the exact location

[1:12:34] of when the 365 day mark, uh,

[1:12:36] comes across, how are we going

[1:12:38] to ensure that all short term

[1:12:39] rentals are in compliance if we

[1:12:39] don

[1:12:41] t know the exact locations?

[1:12:41] Or is it going to be like an

[1:12:44] honor system for the operators?

[1:12:46] Somewhat of an honor system,

[1:12:49] but also we as a staff will

[1:12:50] still have to keep track

[1:12:52] because you come you you could

[1:12:53] have some people who fall out

[1:12:55] of the market who decide they

[1:12:56] don

[1:12:57] t want to do it anymore,

[1:13:00] but, you know, we did this

[1:13:02] about a year or so ago. I think

[1:13:05] we added maybe 80 more units

[1:13:08] since that time. So it will

[1:13:09] constantly be where staff will

[1:13:12] have to go in harvest as do as

[1:13:13] best as we can. And some of

[1:13:16] them MAY be, um, from phone

[1:13:19] calls and someone reporting.

[1:13:19] It

[1:13:22] s an Airbnb. Okay, so it is

[1:13:25] not a perfect science. Uh,

[1:13:26] Airbnb again, doesn

[1:13:27] t require

[1:13:28] you to put the picture of the

[1:13:30] property because that is a

[1:13:32] security issue. So it will be a

[1:13:35] little sleuthing on our side as

[1:13:35] well.

[1:13:37] So some properties could

[1:13:37] potentially slip through the

[1:13:38] cracks, which is.

[1:13:39] That.

[1:13:46] Well, yes. However, um, if they

[1:13:47] are good listeners, we MAY not

[1:13:48] know that they

[1:13:49] re there. And

[1:13:49] that

[1:13:52] s the intention is to be a

[1:13:53] good neighbor.

[1:13:56] And then one more question. Do

[1:13:58] they how often does the permit

[1:13:59] need to be renewed? Is it every

[1:14:01] year. One time, just one time?

[1:14:03] Did we say that I can

[1:14:03] t

[1:14:04] remember. Did we say the the

[1:14:06] amount for the permit? Is there

[1:14:07] amount?

[1:14:07] Uh.

[1:14:08] We have not. It

[1:14:09] s not in the

[1:14:11] manual of fees. So.

[1:14:16] That was about. Okay.

[1:14:17] I mean is it something that we

[1:14:19] should have, you know, you have

[1:14:21] to renew every year so we can

[1:14:22] keep better track of which ones

[1:14:24] are still operating and which

[1:14:26] ones are new.

[1:14:28] That would be something for the

[1:14:30] whole council to to think

[1:14:32] about. We have just put it as

[1:14:33] a, as a one time permit.

[1:14:34] I think, I think one of our

[1:14:35] attorneys over here has

[1:14:36] something to say. MISTER,

[1:14:38] MISTER Birch.

[1:14:39] What up, MISTER Birch?

[1:14:39] The answer to.

[1:14:42] That would be no. Um, because

[1:14:43] that would be. Tantamount to

[1:14:44] the registration.

[1:14:44] Yeah.

[1:14:47] And in order to be compliant

[1:14:48] with state law, we would need

[1:14:50] to avoid that. And the way to

[1:14:53] do that is, at one time, um,

[1:14:55] uh, registration or one.

[1:14:56] But using that.

[1:14:56] Word, don

[1:14:58] t say that. Yeah.

[1:14:59] Perfect.

[1:14:59] Thank you.

[1:15:02] Yeah. I appreciate how tactful

[1:15:04] MISS Gooby is. The reality of

[1:15:05] it is, is our our code of

[1:15:07] ordinances is about six inches

[1:15:09] thick. And we have individuals

[1:15:09] that are violating those

[1:15:11] ordinances every single day.

[1:15:13] And if you have bad neighbors

[1:15:15] out there, uh, our experience

[1:15:16] has been we

[1:15:16] re going to know

[1:15:17] about it.

[1:15:19] You find out sooner or later.

[1:15:22] Yes. All right. If no other

[1:15:24] questions, public hearing is

[1:15:26] now open. Those who speak on

[1:15:27] behalf of applicant MAY come

[1:15:28] forward. Please state your name

[1:15:29] for the record, first person

[1:15:30] has ten minutes. All others

[1:15:42] have three minutes.

[1:15:43] Hello?

[1:15:44] Hello.

[1:15:46] Uh. Good evening Council. I am

[1:15:48] Venus Diamond. I have been a

[1:15:50] resident of Greenville for two

[1:15:51] and a half years. Resident of

[1:15:53] North Carolina for eight years.

[1:15:55] Um, I would like to show my

[1:15:56] appreciation for this

[1:15:57] ordinance. I think this is a

[1:15:59] very good step, and I would

[1:16:01] like to see. I loved your

[1:16:03] comment about wanting to see

[1:16:05] more pushes. Um, I would love

[1:16:06] to see more pushes, uh, and

[1:16:08] more restrictions on Airbnbs

[1:16:10] and other short term leases. I

[1:16:12] think as a whole, this is going

[1:16:13] to be very good for the

[1:16:15] community, especially given a

[1:16:16] time where the housing market

[1:16:18] is inflating way more than it

[1:16:20] should be. And at the same

[1:16:22] time, uh, I think this would

[1:16:24] potentially bring down a lot

[1:16:25] of, you know, the threshold for

[1:16:27] people to be able to rent or,

[1:16:29] you know, mortgage in the city.

[1:16:30] Um, I

[1:16:33] m sorry. Um, this would

[1:16:35] also bring more business to our

[1:16:36] local hotel industry, which

[1:16:38] would be very nice for us to

[1:16:40] have. Um, though I would like

[1:16:42] to see more pushes, uh, notably

[1:16:44] in a lot of the zoning, such as

[1:16:47] r6, which does include a lot of

[1:16:49] apartments. And I feel like if

[1:16:51] that is included, it does run

[1:16:53] the risk of somebody

[1:16:55] potentially using an Airbnb to

[1:16:57] try to undercut our hotels. And

[1:16:58] I know there are a lot of

[1:17:01] people, particularly people in

[1:17:03] Greenville Power, who can

[1:17:05] utilize this if they. So please

[1:17:05] not. I

[1:17:07] m saying anybody will,

[1:17:09] but it is a possibility that

[1:17:12] could be worrying. But as a

[1:17:14] whole, I like this ordinance.

[1:17:15] This, uh, feels like it will be

[1:17:18] good, uh, for the community.

[1:17:21] Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[1:17:24] Anyone else would like to speak

[1:17:26] on behalf of the applicant MAY

[1:17:27] come forward. Please state your

[1:17:29] name for the record. You have

[1:17:39] three minutes. See none. Those

[1:17:40] in opposition to the applicant

[1:17:41] MAY come forward. Please state

[1:17:42] your name for the record. First

[1:17:43] person has ten minutes. All

[1:17:56] others have three minutes. See,

[1:17:57] now the public hearing is now

[1:17:58] closed. And for board

[1:18:00] discussion or motion. Motion to

[1:18:03] approve. Second motion was made

[1:18:05] by Council member Hardy. Second

[1:18:08] by Mayor Pro Tem Forman. Any

[1:18:11] other discussion? All those in

[1:18:12] favor say aye. Aye. Those

[1:18:14] opposed say nay.

[1:18:16] Motion passes five zero.

[1:18:18] Move on to item number ten. Our

[1:18:19] final public hearing.

[1:18:20] Thank you. Mayor. Item number

[1:18:21] ten. Ordinance requested by the

[1:18:22] Community and Development

[1:18:25] Services Department to clarify

[1:18:25] the required number of

[1:18:27] professional security personnel

[1:18:29] and alcohol establishments.

[1:18:32] Bah. Bar 2022. Microbrewery and

[1:18:34] micro distillery that provide

[1:18:37] amplified entertainment. After

[1:18:39] 11 P.M. Again, call forward or

[1:18:40] Assistant Director Shanti Gubbi

[1:18:45] for the presentation.

[1:18:47] Hopefully this is very short.

[1:18:50] Uh, this is just an item to

[1:18:50] clarify, we

[1:18:51] ve kind of talked

[1:18:53] about this a little bit. Um,

[1:18:55] this first deals with what

[1:18:57] staff considers alcohol

[1:19:00] establishments. Um, we have or

[1:19:00] excuse me, we have four

[1:19:02] different uses in the city that

[1:19:04] we, um, sort of categorize

[1:19:06] under that umbrella. Um, a bar

[1:19:10] bar, 2022 microbrewery, micro

[1:19:12] distillery, um, primary

[1:19:13] activity, obviously cell

[1:19:16] consumption of alcohol on site.

[1:19:17] All of these establishments

[1:19:18] have the ability to have a

[1:19:20] mixed beverage permit a little

[1:19:21] different than just wine and

[1:19:24] beer. Um, in MAY of this year,

[1:19:26] city staff brought a text

[1:19:28] amendment to clarify the number

[1:19:30] of, um, professional security

[1:19:33] personnel that are required at

[1:19:35] alcohol establishments with,

[1:19:37] uh, amplified entertainment

[1:19:39] after 11 P.M., so it only

[1:19:42] counts after 11 P.M.. Um, at

[1:19:43] that meeting, there was some

[1:19:45] discussion that requiring

[1:19:46] security personnel MAY be

[1:19:49] burdensome, um, to small

[1:19:50] businesses. After there was

[1:19:52] some discussion staffs bringing

[1:19:54] this back, um, with the text

[1:19:57] amendment and it same version

[1:19:59] as far as amplified

[1:20:01] entertainment or udo says

[1:20:03] amplified entertainment shall

[1:20:05] shall mean any type of music or

[1:20:07] other entertainment delivered

[1:20:08] through and by an electronic

[1:20:10] system. So that could be music.

[1:20:12] It could be bingo. So the

[1:20:16] proposed language again, is

[1:20:17] based on the occupancy of the

[1:20:18] building. So it

[1:20:18] s not based on

[1:20:20] the number of people that are

[1:20:22] there at that night. And so

[1:20:23] what this says is if you have

[1:20:26] an occupancy between 1 and 200,

[1:20:29] you will have two security

[1:20:30] personnel required to be on

[1:20:33] site. And then for every 100

[1:20:34] people, essentially you add one

[1:20:37] more person. So 2 to 300 would

[1:20:40] be three. Um, and then it goes

[1:20:43] a bit further to say, um, again

[1:20:46] after 11 P.M., um shall employ

[1:20:47] no less than two security

[1:20:49] guards in order for one

[1:20:51] security guard to be inside,

[1:20:52] and then one security guard to

[1:20:55] be able to patrol private

[1:20:56] parking lot. So if they

[1:20:56] re

[1:20:57] downtown and they don

[1:20:57] t

[1:20:59] actually have a parking lot,

[1:21:00] then both of the security

[1:21:03] personnel can be inside. Um,

[1:21:04] and then staff

[1:21:05] s opinion this

[1:21:07] request is in compliance with

[1:21:09] the comprehensive plan. Uh,

[1:21:11] chapter four, Growing the

[1:21:13] Economic hub, which is goal

[1:21:16] 4.3, modernize and Diversify

[1:21:17] the local economy. Support the

[1:21:19] growth of a variety of

[1:21:20] employment opportunities and

[1:21:22] businesses that diversify

[1:21:22] Greenville

[1:21:24] s economy. Provide

[1:21:25] workers with a range of skill

[1:21:26] sets and training, and

[1:21:28] encourage business growth

[1:21:29] within the incorporated areas

[1:21:30] and diversify Greenville

[1:21:32] s tax

[1:21:33] base. And then further, we also

[1:21:35] have a second one in here. This

[1:21:36] is from chapter one. And this

[1:21:38] is growing the economic hub.

[1:21:42] 1.4 a vibrant uptown support

[1:21:43] and control uptown nightlife.

[1:21:44] Uptown is Greenville

[1:21:45] s vibrant

[1:21:47] and walkable nightlife district

[1:21:48] that supports a variety of high

[1:21:50] quality, responsible drinking

[1:21:52] and restaurant establishments.

[1:21:53] A thriving nightlife that can

[1:21:55] attract and retain young

[1:21:56] professionals that, in turn,

[1:21:58] attract high quality employers.

[1:21:59] This does not mean nightlife

[1:22:01] activities need to be allowed

[1:22:02] to run out of control.

[1:22:03] Appropriate standards for these

[1:22:05] businesses should be enforced

[1:22:07] so that uptown can be enjoyed

[1:22:10] safely and responsible.

[1:22:11] Therefore, staff recommends

[1:22:13] approval of the proposed

[1:22:14] amendment. This one

[1:22:15] s a little

[1:22:17] different. Uh, at the JULY

[1:22:19] 21st, 2026 Planning and Zoning

[1:22:21] Commission, um, they voted

[1:22:23] unanimously with a motion. Um,

[1:22:25] but the motion had a little

[1:22:28] tweak to it. So they, uh, did

[1:22:29] recommend approval, but they

[1:22:31] went further and said while the

[1:22:33] commission, um, did recommend

[1:22:34] approval of the amendment,

[1:22:36] there was language included in

[1:22:37] the motion that there should be

[1:22:39] consideration given to the

[1:22:41] economic impact on small

[1:22:42] businesses to consider the use

[1:22:45] of bouncers as a substitute for

[1:22:47] professional security personnel.

[1:22:49] And with that, I

[1:22:49] ll be glad to

[1:22:51] answer any questions.

[1:22:52] Any questions?

[1:22:54] One question on your proposed

[1:22:59] language. If you go back to it.

[1:23:01] There is says 1200. You really

[1:23:02] mean 1 to 200, don

[1:23:03] t you

[1:23:03] establish.

[1:23:04] Oh, I

[1:23:04] m sorry, there

[1:23:04] s a

[1:23:05] hyphen.

[1:23:05] I

[1:23:06] m sorry. Yeah.

[1:23:07] Okay. Just that and that

[1:23:10] s it.

[1:23:13] And what? Why? Or, staff

[1:23:16] bringing back the same version

[1:23:17] of the text.

[1:23:20] That.

[1:23:22] When I brought it to you in

[1:23:25] MAY, um, there was some

[1:23:26] discussion. I don

[1:23:26] t want to

[1:23:28] call names, but there was some

[1:23:30] discussion that perhaps, um,

[1:23:33] this was expensive and that it

[1:23:35] could be overly burdensome, uh,

[1:23:37] to some of the establishments.

[1:23:39] We had a council work session.

[1:23:40] I don

[1:23:41] t know if you were at

[1:23:43] that one. And so the decision

[1:23:45] was to go with the professional

[1:23:46] security as opposed to the

[1:23:49] bouncers, because security,

[1:23:50] professional security personnel

[1:23:52] would include off duty cops or

[1:23:55] actual professional, um,

[1:23:57] security personnel, as opposed

[1:24:00] to bouncers have less training

[1:24:05] and bouncers. Purview. If you

[1:24:07] will stop at the door of the

[1:24:08] establishment so they can

[1:24:08] t go

[1:24:10] any further. So you

[1:24:10] re going to

[1:24:16] get, um, a person with more

[1:24:22] training and the ability to.

[1:24:24] Provide service outside of the

[1:24:26] establishment.

[1:24:29] And then are the just to make

[1:24:29] sure that I

[1:24:30] m clear, are the

[1:24:33] current, um, bars whatever you

[1:24:34] want to call grandfathered into

[1:24:34] this is.

[1:24:37] Yes. This does not affect any

[1:24:39] pre-existing.

[1:24:41] So it would include any

[1:24:42] business that opens up with a

[1:24:44] special use permit under for

[1:24:46] 2022. Correct.

[1:24:48] Microbrewery. Micro distillery

[1:24:53] bar 2022. Yes. Any of the four?

[1:24:56] Me personally, I still have the

[1:24:57] same opinion as, uh,

[1:24:58] Councilmember Scully when this

[1:25:00] was last brought up. I do think

[1:25:02] that this will be burdensome to

[1:25:03] some small businesses. And I

[1:25:05] also think that it will, uh,

[1:25:07] keep some college students out

[1:25:09] of, uh, some jobs because those

[1:25:10] are who mainly staff and

[1:25:12] balance, uh, the, the clubs and

[1:25:14] the nightlife down here. Um, so

[1:25:15] I just want to make that be

[1:25:18] done. For the record.

[1:25:19] All right. Any other comments?

[1:25:21] Questions?

[1:25:24] Uh, I have one in, uh, I don

[1:25:24] t

[1:25:25] even drink. And I

[1:25:26] m swimming in

[1:25:28] alcohol after all this

[1:25:31] conversation. Um, about this,

[1:25:35] but, um, has there been any

[1:25:39] conversation, uh, with, uh,

[1:25:40] businesses or bar owners

[1:25:45] outside of downtown?

[1:25:47] No, because the ones that we

[1:25:50] have now are under the old the

[1:25:52] old rules. So, uh, so the

[1:25:55] answer is, is no. But we also

[1:25:56] don

[1:25:58] t have very many of them

[1:26:01] either. The microbreweries and

[1:26:02] the micro distilleries. We have

[1:26:05] are really downtown. Um, and,

[1:26:05] and they

[1:26:06] re not going to be

[1:26:09] affected because they already

[1:26:10] have a special use permit. So

[1:26:13] they were ahead of this. So my

[1:26:16] point is, is it is, um, it

[1:26:16] s

[1:26:17] only going to affect those that

[1:26:19] would walk in the door and we

[1:26:21] would say, oh, by the way, this

[1:26:27] is a new requirement. Mm.

[1:26:29] Can I ask our deputy chief a

[1:26:31] question about this. Does the

[1:26:32] police department feel that

[1:26:34] this is something that is

[1:26:34] necessary? Y

[1:26:38] all want to see?

[1:26:38] I

[1:26:40] m sorry to put you on.

[1:26:42] No pressure.

[1:26:44] Well, um.

[1:26:46] Have you had have you all had

[1:26:47] problems.

[1:26:48] With the officers about that?

[1:26:50] They actually work the area.

[1:26:52] Um, I haven

[1:26:53] t got a lot of

[1:26:55] feedback from that. Yes, I, I,

[1:26:56] I would have to believe that.

[1:26:58] Get some feedback from the

[1:26:59] officers that are actually on

[1:27:01] the street working.

[1:27:03] Thank you.

[1:27:03] That

[1:27:05] s a good politician answer

[1:27:09] right there. I like that. All

[1:27:11] right. Any other questions

[1:27:15] comments. Thank you very much.

[1:27:16] Public hearing is now open.

[1:27:17] Those speak on behalf of the

[1:27:18] outcome MAY come forward.

[1:27:18] Please state your name. For the

[1:27:19] record. The first person has

[1:27:21] ten minutes. All others have

[1:27:35] three minutes. None of those in

[1:27:36] opposition to the applicant MAY

[1:27:37] come forward. Please state your

[1:27:37] name. For the record. The first

[1:27:38] person has ten minutes. All

[1:27:54] others have three minutes. The

[1:27:55] public hearing is now closed.

[1:27:56] Open for a board discussion or

[1:27:59] a motion.

[1:28:01] So if one makes a motion and I

[1:28:01] don

[1:28:03] t have a motion, but if one

[1:28:05] makes a motion, would that be

[1:28:09] with the suggestion of.

[1:28:10] You could make whatever motion

[1:28:11] you want.

[1:28:12] To make. I don

[1:28:12] t want.

[1:28:12] To make.

[1:28:13] A motion.

[1:28:15] You can take their motion. You

[1:28:15] can take the staff

[1:28:16] s motion.

[1:28:23] You can make up a motion.

[1:28:26] Okay.

[1:28:26] I don

[1:28:26] t have.

[1:28:27] A motion.

[1:28:28] Did I answer your question?

[1:28:29] Did.

[1:28:32] Mayor, if I MAY. This to me is

[1:28:34] really interesting. Um, because

[1:28:36] I feel like at the core of it,

[1:28:38] um, our conversations have been

[1:28:40] centered around safety. Um, and

[1:28:42] so looking at the request of

[1:28:45] planning and zoning to opt to

[1:28:47] use bouncers, but if they have

[1:28:49] to stop at the door, then I

[1:28:49] don

[1:28:51] t know that that achieves

[1:28:52] the safety that we were looking

[1:28:53] for, for inside the

[1:28:55] establishment and then out, but

[1:29:00] then also, um, for the

[1:29:02] establishments that are already

[1:29:03] in business, this doesn

[1:29:03] t

[1:29:04] affect them. It

[1:29:05] s not

[1:29:07] retroactive. So this is going

[1:29:09] forward. So you don

[1:29:10] t want to

[1:29:11] implement something that

[1:29:12] s cost

[1:29:13] prohibitive to a new business.

[1:29:13] That

[1:29:16] s, um, that

[1:29:16] s starting

[1:29:18] their business. Uh, it

[1:29:18] s it

[1:29:18] s

[1:29:21] an interesting proposition. I

[1:29:24] think, um.

[1:29:29] Do you have a motion?

[1:29:31] Oh.

[1:29:31] You know, I don

[1:29:32] t mind making a

[1:29:37] motion. Um, gosh.

[1:29:38] And, I mean, I don

[1:29:39] t think this

[1:29:41] is at least from my point of

[1:29:41] view. I

[1:29:43] m not, you know,

[1:29:45] against safety. Um, around

[1:29:46] these establishments, but I

[1:29:47] just I just really think it

[1:29:49] would be cost prohibitive and

[1:29:50] kind of restrict what these

[1:29:52] businesses could do on a night

[1:29:54] to night basis. Um, they really

[1:29:55] have to be mindful of, you

[1:29:56] know, what day is they decide

[1:30:00] to provide amplified music past

[1:30:05] 11:00. Um, yeah. That

[1:30:05] s my only

[1:30:06] concern.

[1:30:06] I

[1:30:07] ll make a motion to approve

[1:30:09] the text as tendered. And the

[1:30:11] reason why is because I

[1:30:11] ve

[1:30:13] dealt with downtown for 40

[1:30:15] years as a criminal lawyer, and

[1:30:15] I

[1:30:18] ve seen the carnage caused by

[1:30:19] people in the bars who

[1:30:19] ve

[1:30:21] consumed way too much. They

[1:30:22] weren

[1:30:22] t just drinking, they

[1:30:24] were intoxicated and served by

[1:30:26] bars. And I think if you talk

[1:30:27] to the officers on the streets,

[1:30:29] they will tell you that

[1:30:30] oftentimes the people come out

[1:30:31] of the bars are not just

[1:30:32] drinking, they are completely

[1:30:34] intoxicated and just drunk. And

[1:30:38] today, uh, had to read, uh,

[1:30:40] because of a case of a very

[1:30:42] serious injury that occurred in

[1:30:44] a bar. And no bouncers were

[1:30:47] around, and they MAY have

[1:30:48] probably prevented it had they

[1:30:50] been. And when you use the word

[1:30:51] bouncer, what does that really

[1:30:53] mean? It means you go hire a

[1:30:54] college kid to come in and

[1:30:55] provide security, who

[1:30:57] oftentimes is a workout

[1:30:59] fanatic, who wants to go bully

[1:31:00] people and use that power.

[1:31:01] That

[1:31:02] s what my experience has

[1:31:04] been. All those watching on tv.

[1:31:05] You MAY have harsh words, but

[1:31:06] you can have all the harsh

[1:31:06] words you want. It

[1:31:08] s the truth,

[1:31:08] and I

[1:31:10] ve seen it for 40 years.

[1:31:11] Mm. So I don

[1:31:12] t want some 20

[1:31:13] year old kid. I

[1:31:13] m not trying to

[1:31:15] crack on a 20 year old

[1:31:16] providing security when

[1:31:17] something goes south, because

[1:31:18] people have had too much

[1:31:19] alcohol to drink, because

[1:31:19] they

[1:31:20] ve been in the bar for a

[1:31:21] while. And so if you

[1:31:22] ve got

[1:31:24] some professional security

[1:31:25] level of it, then you

[1:31:25] ve got

[1:31:27] better training about how to

[1:31:28] de-escalate, because what I

[1:31:29] find in the past is what

[1:31:30] bouncers do. The first thing

[1:31:32] they want to do is to strike.

[1:31:34] And I represented bars who

[1:31:34] ve

[1:31:35] been sued because their

[1:31:37] bouncers have struck an even

[1:31:37] though they

[1:31:38] ve been trained.

[1:31:38] Don

[1:31:40] t strike. People grapple

[1:31:42] and escort. But that doesn

[1:31:42] t

[1:31:44] say so for for for that

[1:31:45] experience. That

[1:31:45] s why I do

[1:31:45] this. And it

[1:31:46] s not going to

[1:31:48] affect any of our bars that are

[1:31:48] currently in because they

[1:31:48] re

[1:31:49] grandfathered in. So you

[1:31:49] re

[1:31:51] lucky. But going forward, I

[1:31:52] think if you

[1:31:52] re going to be in

[1:31:54] the business of serving alcohol

[1:31:56] late at night and people tend

[1:31:57] to imbibe because how do you

[1:31:58] get drunk if you

[1:31:58] re in the bar,

[1:31:59] if they

[1:32:00] re not serving you when

[1:32:01] they probably shouldn

[1:32:01] t be

[1:32:02] serving you? Uh, they

[1:32:02] re

[1:32:03] serving you too much alcohol.

[1:32:05] And then when you get too much

[1:32:06] alcohol, people bounce into

[1:32:07] each other or see somebody,

[1:32:08] girl. And there

[1:32:09] s comments back

[1:32:10] and forth and you and you got

[1:32:11] to fight. And then when

[1:32:12] somebody gets hit, it

[1:32:12] s not the

[1:32:14] strike that hurts them. It

[1:32:14] s

[1:32:15] when they fall on the concrete

[1:32:16] and hit their head and get a

[1:32:18] brain bleed and get brain

[1:32:19] damage. And I

[1:32:20] ve seen hundreds

[1:32:22] of cases like that in 40 years.

[1:32:22] So I

[1:32:23] m a little tough on this.

[1:32:26] I know. Um, but again, a

[1:32:27] balance. There

[1:32:28] s nothing more

[1:32:29] that I see as a college kid

[1:32:29] that

[1:32:30] s just working on their

[1:32:33] part time for 13, $14 an hour.

[1:32:34] So what level of

[1:32:36] professionalism do you get? You

[1:32:37] get what you pay for. So that

[1:32:37] s

[1:32:39] why I make the motion that we

[1:32:41] should adopt it as tendered and

[1:32:44] without the, uh, the bouncers

[1:32:45] as a substitute. Because I just

[1:32:45] think what you

[1:32:46] re really saying

[1:32:48] is let us hire somebody cheap

[1:32:48] who

[1:32:49] s a college kid. And

[1:32:50] usually professional security

[1:32:52] has liability in place on

[1:32:54] insurance. So if something does

[1:32:55] go south, you

[1:32:55] ve got a

[1:32:57] liability insurance policy that

[1:32:58] can that somebody can go after.

[1:33:00] If this, uh, security personnel

[1:33:02] went too far. And again, you

[1:33:02] see it, I

[1:33:03] ve seen it time and

[1:33:05] time again. Multiple bars have

[1:33:07] been sued down, down over.

[1:33:07] So you

[1:33:08] re making a motion for

[1:33:09] the staff sergeant?

[1:33:09] Yeah. The staff

[1:33:10] s

[1:33:11] recommendation that tracking

[1:33:12] that language.

[1:33:13] Does anybody got a second?

[1:33:14] I

[1:33:15] ll second the motion.

[1:33:16] All right.

[1:33:20] Any other discussion? Speak

[1:33:24] now. Forever. Hold your peace.

[1:33:25] All right. Motion been made by

[1:33:26] Councilmember Robinson and

[1:33:27] second by Councilmember Willis.

[1:33:28] All those in favor say aye.

[1:33:29] Aye, aye. Those opposed say

[1:33:31] nay.

[1:33:33] Motion passes, five zero.

[1:33:33] Oh.

[1:33:34] All right. That was it for the

[1:33:35] public hearings. We

[1:33:36] ll move on

[1:33:37] to other items of business

[1:33:37] number 11.

[1:33:38] All right. Thank you, mayor.

[1:33:41] Item number 11, resolution

[1:33:42] approving an interlocal

[1:33:43] agreement with Pitt County.

[1:33:45] Pitt Area Transit System

[1:33:46] relating to providing

[1:33:47] paratransit transportation

[1:33:49] services within the territorial

[1:33:50] jurisdiction of the City of

[1:33:51] Greenville. I

[1:33:51] ll call forward

[1:33:52] our transit manager with

[1:33:55] Davidson for short presentation.

[1:33:57] Thank you. Good evening. Good

[1:33:59] evening, good evening. Evening.

[1:34:00] I look forward to your short

[1:34:01] presentation.

[1:34:02] A yes, sir, I

[1:34:02] m going to give

[1:34:05] you a brief update on where we

[1:34:07] are with our Ada paratransit

[1:34:09] service. So just a reminder,

[1:34:10] Ada paratransit is the

[1:34:11] mandatory point to point

[1:34:12] transportation that we have to

[1:34:14] provide for qualifying

[1:34:16] customers with disabilities in

[1:34:17] which a disability affects

[1:34:19] their access to fixed route

[1:34:22] bus. Um, this is curb. Curb.

[1:34:23] And it

[1:34:25] s, uh, reimbursed at 80%

[1:34:27] of operating costs, 85% of

[1:34:30] capital cost. Um, pleased to

[1:34:32] announce, since we were here

[1:34:34] talking about paratransit last,

[1:34:35] that, uh, the city of

[1:34:37] Greenville and Pitt County were

[1:34:40] selected to receive $200,000

[1:34:41] each as part of a coordinated

[1:34:43] public transportation grant to

[1:34:46] continue our partnership effort

[1:34:47] to provide the transportation

[1:34:49] service. Um, great will use the

[1:34:51] funds to pay for trips that the

[1:34:54] county will provide, and pets

[1:34:56] will purchase vehicles. I

[1:34:59] believe with their funds. So we

[1:35:01] have been able to negotiate a

[1:35:04] renewed partnership for fy

[1:35:07] 2627. Uh, pets went through a

[1:35:10] fully allocated cost model, uh,

[1:35:12] exercise with ncdot staff to

[1:35:14] set their trip rate so their

[1:35:16] new trip rate at a break even

[1:35:20] point is $27 per trip. Um, the

[1:35:21] city is still on track. We

[1:35:22] re

[1:35:24] scheduled to begin, uh,

[1:35:26] partial, uh, Ada paratransit

[1:35:28] service that we will provide,

[1:35:31] uh, in OCTOBER. Uh, the service

[1:35:32] is is going to be provided with

[1:35:34] four, four vans. Three, uh,

[1:35:36] which will be Ada accessible.

[1:35:38] One is a minivan. Uh, we

[1:35:38] re in

[1:35:40] the process of creating the new

[1:35:42] positions, working with hr, uh,

[1:35:45] to get that finalized. Uh, we

[1:35:46] have trip booking software

[1:35:47] that

[1:35:48] s going to manage all of

[1:35:50] the, uh, clients bookings, um,

[1:35:52] customers can book via mobile

[1:35:56] app or by calling our office a

[1:35:57] picture of what, what the

[1:35:59] vehicles will look like that

[1:36:00] will provide the service that

[1:36:01] we have. Minivan. And then the

[1:36:03] high roof, uh, vans with a

[1:36:05] transit style door. It has an

[1:36:09] Ada lift in the back. So great.

[1:36:11] Will be the primary provider

[1:36:13] once we began service, uh, in

[1:36:15] in OCTOBER. Uh, like I said,

[1:36:16] great. We

[1:36:17] ll run four vans.

[1:36:17] Pat

[1:36:20] s will provide, uh, 2 to 3,

[1:36:21] uh, and we

[1:36:22] re still talking

[1:36:25] about about 2250 rides per

[1:36:27] month, right. For this program,

[1:36:29] the hours of operation. I know

[1:36:32] this was a point, uh, we spoke

[1:36:34] about back in FEBRUARY. We were

[1:36:35] able to go back and negotiate

[1:36:37] with, with pets that they will

[1:36:39] continue to provide the trips

[1:36:41] from 4 A.M. To 6 A.M., mainly

[1:36:43] dialysis patients. Uh, great.

[1:36:45] And pets will provide service

[1:36:47] from 6 to 6 and then great will

[1:36:48] provide the service from six

[1:36:51] until 830. Uh, on weekdays.

[1:36:53] Saturdays, same thing. Pets

[1:36:55] will provide the early morning,

[1:36:57] 4 to 9. Uh, we have different

[1:37:00] hours on Saturday, so the hours

[1:37:01] will match the service that

[1:37:04] great provides. 9 to 430 great.

[1:37:06] And pets? Pets if needed. And

[1:37:08] then pets will do 430 to 6 on

[1:37:11] Saturday. All right. We will

[1:37:14] notify customers, uh, of the

[1:37:15] change. That rate will be the

[1:37:17] primary provider. Pets will be

[1:37:18] the secondary provider, uh,

[1:37:21] through electronic mail, usps,

[1:37:23] uh, starting in SEPTEMBER, uh,

[1:37:24] all existing customers data

[1:37:26] will be exported into our new

[1:37:27] system. Uh, eligible

[1:37:29] eligibility requirements will

[1:37:33] not change. All right. Um,

[1:37:35] request that council would

[1:37:38] approve the fy 2627 interlocal

[1:37:40] agreement with Pitt County.

[1:37:42] All right, any questions?

[1:37:44] i did have a question. Did I

[1:37:46] understand you correctly to say

[1:37:50] that the new assessed cost is

[1:37:53] $27 per ride? Previously, it

[1:37:55] was $9. It was 18. It was 18.

[1:37:58] So $9 both ways. It was or was

[1:37:59] it $18? One way.

[1:38:00] , each way, one way.

[1:38:05] And so the increase to $27. Now

[1:38:05] one way.

[1:38:06] Correct.

[1:38:08] Um, and there

[1:38:09] s nothing that is

[1:38:11] there anything that we can do

[1:38:16] to, um, affect that cost for

[1:38:18] citizens.

[1:38:20] So the 27 the citizen won

[1:38:20] t pay

[1:38:21] that. So that

[1:38:22] s the cost that

[1:38:24] the city will pay the county

[1:38:24] per trip.

[1:38:26] City pays the county patrol.

[1:38:27] Okay. And so then for the

[1:38:29] actual rider, what does that

[1:38:30] look like with the actual.

[1:38:33] Rider today? That is still

[1:38:35] free? When when the city begins

[1:38:37] charging a fair and that

[1:38:37] s

[1:38:39] slated for at some point in

[1:38:41] OCTOBER. Okay. Then what the

[1:38:42] federal government allows is

[1:38:45] twice the normal fare. So if we

[1:38:47] were charging $1 for a bus

[1:38:49] fare, then the fare for a pet

[1:38:50] ride would be $2.

[1:38:52] It would be $2. Okay, so I

[1:38:52] m

[1:38:54] not thinking about the cost for

[1:38:54] a citizen. That

[1:38:57] s an outside of

[1:38:58] a particular program or

[1:39:01] whatnot. I was told that it was

[1:39:03] $9 per trip. I think that.

[1:39:06] Cost that a citizen of county

[1:39:08] pays to ride pets. Versus the

[1:39:10] city. They were riding it as a

[1:39:12] county. As a county citizen,

[1:39:15] riding the county system, not a

[1:39:16] Greenville resident using the

[1:39:19] Ada paratransit system. Because

[1:39:20] we work with the county to

[1:39:22] provide our Ada paratransit

[1:39:24] system within the city limits.

[1:39:26] Right. Okay, okay. So within

[1:39:28] the city limits, it

[1:39:29] s free.

[1:39:30] It

[1:39:32] s it is what you did.

[1:39:35] It went from $27 to free. Just

[1:39:35] like.

[1:39:36] Just like that.

[1:39:38] Yeah. In the does not pay. A

[1:39:40] customer does not pay today

[1:39:40] okay.

[1:39:42] That is what we are paying.

[1:39:43] We pay the county.

[1:39:43] The county.

[1:39:45] We will pay the county 27 per

[1:39:46] trip that they provide.

[1:39:48] Which previously was 18.

[1:39:50] Correct? Okay, I got it now.

[1:39:50] Okay.

[1:39:51] All right.

[1:39:53] Just like that. You got.

[1:39:53] It free.

[1:39:55] All you gotta do is ask.

[1:39:56] I think I got an understanding.

[1:39:57] Thank you.

[1:39:59] All right. Any other questions?

[1:39:59] Comments?

[1:40:00] No. I do.

[1:40:01] Want to say, um, I

[1:40:01] m so

[1:40:02] grateful and thankful that

[1:40:02] y

[1:40:04] all did make it. Um, the time

[1:40:06] change so that we can make sure

[1:40:07] that all of our citizens, um,

[1:40:09] can get to any appointments

[1:40:11] they MAY need to be. And with

[1:40:13] that, I move that we approve.

[1:40:14] Um, and I second that you

[1:40:14] re

[1:40:17] going with, um, being specific

[1:40:20] about those citizens that are

[1:40:22] impacted by, um, dialysis and

[1:40:23] need to get to their

[1:40:25] appointments. Yes. So we

[1:40:25] re

[1:40:26] greatly appreciative.

[1:40:26] Of that.

[1:40:27] Thank you. So we second in the

[1:40:28] motion or second in the

[1:40:29] comment..

[1:40:29] Second and.

[1:40:30] Both awesome.

[1:40:32] I like that. All right. Motion

[1:40:33] been made by Councilmember

[1:40:35] Jones. Second by uh, Mayor Pro

[1:40:36] Tem Forman any other

[1:40:37] discussion?

[1:40:39] I did want to ask mayor if we

[1:40:40] could get an update at our

[1:40:43] next, um, workshop about the

[1:40:46] rollout of the shelters. Um, I

[1:40:47] would love to be able, for all

[1:40:49] of us to know together where we

[1:40:51] are with that rollout and how

[1:40:52] many more we have to go. Um,

[1:40:53] just to get some clarity.

[1:40:54] On that.

[1:40:54] We

[1:40:56] ll do. Thank you.

[1:40:57] All right. Any other

[1:40:58] discussion.

[1:40:59] When you say shelter, don

[1:40:59] t

[1:41:01] offer the benches.

[1:41:02] That for.

[1:41:03] Sure.

[1:41:06] And the bars that need to be

[1:41:07] removed.

[1:41:08] We have we

[1:41:09] ve already started

[1:41:10] removing those bars. Right.

[1:41:11] Yes, yes, yes.

[1:41:11] Okay.

[1:41:12] Thank you.

[1:41:12] I want.

[1:41:14] Welcome those. And I

[1:41:14] ve only

[1:41:16] seen a couple that are left.

[1:41:17] We put we put a few in the

[1:41:19] middle of our chairs.

[1:41:20] At one. This time we were

[1:41:22] walking. All right. Any other

[1:41:25] discussion? All those in favor

[1:41:26] say aye. Aye. Those opposed say

[1:41:27] nay.

[1:41:29] Motion passes five zero.

[1:41:29] Let

[1:41:32] s move on to item number

[1:41:34] 12. Number 12. Final real item.

[1:41:36] Approval to purchase 188

[1:41:37] vehicle for the City of

[1:41:38] Greenville and the Transit

[1:41:39] Division. Turn it back over to

[1:41:41] MR. Davidson.

[1:41:43] Thank you. All right. Request

[1:41:46] to purchase 188 paratransit

[1:41:47] van. So this would be a van

[1:41:49] matching the hot top van that

[1:41:50] we saw. Council previously

[1:41:52] approved the purchase of three

[1:41:53] back in FEBRUARY. So this would

[1:41:55] be adding, uh, another Ada van.

[1:42:00] So cost of that van,

[1:42:05] $123,371.76. Funding will come

[1:42:08] from 85% from our fta funding,

[1:42:11] 15% from general fund. That

[1:42:11] s

[1:42:13] what the van will look like.

[1:42:15] Um, we request that council

[1:42:16] approve the purchase of one Ada

[1:42:18] accessible paratransit van

[1:42:20] using fta and general funds.

[1:42:23] All right. Any questions?

[1:42:24] Motions.

[1:42:24] I

[1:42:25] ll move.

[1:42:26] All right. Most of you MAY, but

[1:42:28] Council Jones, second by

[1:42:28] Councilmember Robison. Any

[1:42:30] other discussion? All those in

[1:42:32] favor say aye. Aye, aye. Those

[1:42:33] opposed say nay.

[1:42:34] Motion passes five zero.

[1:42:35] Now what? Everybody

[1:42:35] s been

[1:42:36] waiting for. Everybody in the

[1:42:38] audience has been waiting for

[1:42:39] the city manager

[1:42:40] s report.

[1:42:41] Uh, you know, it was going to

[1:42:42] be a long one tonight, but I

[1:42:44] will make it quick. I just want

[1:42:47] to wish my wife a happy

[1:42:47] anniversary. We

[1:42:48] ll be

[1:42:50] celebrating our 34th wedding

[1:42:52] anniversary on Sunday, and I

[1:42:52] can

[1:42:53] t wait to have a nice,

[1:42:55] quiet meal together at Taco

[1:42:57] Bell. Yes.

[1:42:59] Hey, has anybody nominated her

[1:43:02] as a saint yet? Saint Pam.

[1:43:02] Saint.

[1:43:03] Pam.

[1:43:05] 34 years. Yeah. Make some else.

[1:43:06] Yeah.

[1:43:08] Oh, man.

[1:43:09] Holy cow.

[1:43:10] She likes punishment, doesn

[1:43:10] t

[1:43:10] she?

[1:43:12] Yes. We

[1:43:13] ll be enjoying our

[1:43:15] nacho Bell Grande. Uh, Sunday

[1:43:16] evening.

[1:43:16] What

[1:43:17] s up? What

[1:43:17] s the drink

[1:43:18] that they have? Like they

[1:43:18] ve

[1:43:19] had like an orange drink or

[1:43:21] something. Baja blast or

[1:43:23] something. Get her a hey, get

[1:43:24] her a bar blast to go with

[1:43:24] that..

[1:43:28] Free refills. That

[1:43:30] s all I got,

[1:43:30] man.

[1:43:30] We

[1:43:31] re going south quick. All

[1:43:33] right, our city city attorney

[1:43:33] s

[1:43:34] report quickly.

[1:43:35] Mayor and council, shout out to

[1:43:37] MR. Scott Dixon. Uh, he was

[1:43:39] reappointed to serve on the

[1:43:41] North Carolina League of

[1:43:43] Municipalities. Uh, Legislative

[1:43:44] Policy Committee. So shout out

[1:43:45] to Scott for that.

[1:43:46] Congratulations.

[1:43:50] Congratulations, Scott.

[1:43:52] All right. Maybe this might be

[1:43:55] the most anticipated, uh,

[1:43:57] comment of the night. Our city

[1:43:57] clerk

[1:43:58] s report.

[1:43:58] I

[1:43:59] m gonna keep this really

[1:44:01] short. Happy birthday to my

[1:44:02] baby sister, Frannie. She

[1:44:03] s 38,

[1:44:04] but still a baby to me.

[1:44:06] My baby sister. Oh, okay.

[1:44:08] Happy birthday. Thank you.

[1:44:08] That

[1:44:10] s awesome. Where are we

[1:44:11] going? Are we. Are we gonna

[1:44:13] start tonight? Okay.

[1:44:14] Um, MAY I rehearse this

[1:44:18] earlier? I have no comment.

[1:44:20] Uh, just, uh, congratulations

[1:44:21] to our three teams that we

[1:44:22] recognized earlier, and

[1:44:23] everybody have a great rest of

[1:44:25] your week.

[1:44:27] Awesome. Councilmember wills.

[1:44:29] Thank you. Mayor. Um, I

[1:44:31] attended the Chamber of

[1:44:31] Commerce

[1:44:33] s, um, leadership

[1:44:35] conference earlier today. That

[1:44:36] was wonderful to see all the

[1:44:37] ladies come together. It was

[1:44:40] very empowering. Uh, so kudos

[1:44:41] to them. They do such good

[1:44:42] work. And so it was a wonderful

[1:44:44] event to attend. And, uh,

[1:44:47] praying for a safe, um, school

[1:44:49] year for all of the teachers

[1:44:51] and administrators and students

[1:44:52] going back to school with pay

[1:44:54] county schools. Um, and I think

[1:44:54] that

[1:44:55] s all I have. Mayor.

[1:44:56] Thank you. All right. Thank you

[1:44:57] very much, Councilmember

[1:44:58] Robinson.

[1:44:59] Uh, I just want to echo the

[1:45:00] comments earlier. First,

[1:45:02] congratulations to Glen Wooten

[1:45:03] for serving us for three

[1:45:03] decades. That

[1:45:04] s amazing.

[1:45:06] Congratulations to those three

[1:45:07] teams. I mean, I really hear

[1:45:09] the Lady Swarm are just

[1:45:11] incredible players and coaches.

[1:45:12] I appreciate you volunteering

[1:45:13] your time and being a role

[1:45:15] model for these kids. It means

[1:45:16] more than you probably ever

[1:45:17] know in your lifetime, but

[1:45:18] they

[1:45:18] ll carry those lessons

[1:45:20] forward with them. And if

[1:45:20] you

[1:45:21] re watching and you have a

[1:45:21] team that

[1:45:22] s doing well, please

[1:45:23] let us know so we can have them

[1:45:27] down here at City Hall. Um, uh,

[1:45:27] let

[1:45:29] s see. Also, thank you to

[1:45:30] everybody and staff and Valerie

[1:45:34] for a smiley mug of flowers

[1:45:36] and, uh, a gift certificate out

[1:45:38] to Boa. I mean, because that

[1:45:39] first two weeks, I was not

[1:45:41] smiling after knee replacement,

[1:45:42] and I looked up and my wife put

[1:45:43] it right in front of me. She

[1:45:45] said. She said, do what the cup

[1:45:47] says and smile. And so thank

[1:45:47] y

[1:45:48] all for doing that because I

[1:45:49] was not smiling the first two

[1:45:50] weeks. But thank you all for

[1:45:51] thinking of me during that

[1:45:53] time.

[1:45:56] Good. All right. Mayor Pro tem

[1:45:57] for me.

[1:45:58] Uh.

[1:46:00] I will mirror the comments that

[1:46:02] were made and elevate again.

[1:46:04] The teams that were here and

[1:46:05] the many teams that we have in

[1:46:08] this city on all sides that are

[1:46:09] functioning in excellence and

[1:46:11] putting in hard work to make

[1:46:12] these accomplishments. So

[1:46:13] that

[1:46:13] s all.

[1:46:16] All right. I echo what everyone

[1:46:17] else said. Now I need a motion

[1:46:18] to adjourn.

[1:46:19] Motion to adjourn.

[1:46:20] Second.

[1:46:22] I need a motion been made by

[1:46:23] Councilmember Robinson. Second

[1:46:24] by Mayor Pro Tem Forman. All

[1:46:25] those in favor say aye. Aye.

[1:46:26] Those opposed. Nay, nay.

[1:46:28] Passes five zero.

City Council - Aug 13th, 2026

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