[0:00] Texas today is Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 9 a.m. We are located here at 270 fn149 with Anderson, with Anderson, fn149 with Anderson, Texas. That's a little different on that title there.

[0:22] So we're going to, at this moment, we're going to call the meeting to order with the

[0:27] invocation led by Pastor Charles Tonkkins, and we will move on to the pledge of

[0:32] allegiance and to the pledge of allegiance to the Texas flag.

[0:48] Father God, we come thanking you first of all for this day.

[0:52] This is a day that you have made Father and we rejoice in your flag in the end.

[0:57] Thank you, Father, because support is now in session, not only in heaven, but here in

[1:04] Anderson, Texas.

[1:05] And we pray, Father, that you will be done in this court, as well as all the courts,

[1:13] and as well as the court, that is in heaven, as your blessings upon each commissioning,

[1:19] as your blessings, Father, on your judge and his absence, and Father, we pray that everything

[1:24] We will be done according to your will and according to the laws that has gotten this county.

[1:31] Father, we thank you and we have not forgotten how you have kept us safe throughout the courts.

[1:37] We have not had any one to go into any type of rage or any type of shooting.

[1:44] Father, we acknowledge that you have protected us and we thank you and we give you glory and honor and Jesus name.

[1:50] Thank you, man.

[1:52] Thank you.

[1:53] Let's do the U.S.

[1:56] Let's do the U.S.

[1:57] Please, please.

[1:58] To the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which is stands, one nation,

[2:05] Hanagara, individual, with liberty, and justice for all.

[2:10] Exist flag?

[2:11] on the Texas flag, the President's, the United States, on the state, on the United

[2:20] States.

[2:27] Madam Clerk, please note that the county judge is out of the county, on county business this

[2:32] morning.

[2:33] All right?

[2:34] At this time we have public comments.

[2:37] If you've signed a sheet, we asked that you be recognized at this time while we appreciate

[2:44] all of our citizens coming and we want to hear from you, we ask that you limited to two minutes, please.

[2:53] At this time, we have one from Miss Connie Climates here in Navisota, and she was just to address item 16.

[3:02] So, Miss Climates, we'll English the podium to you.

[3:12] The morning commissioners.

[3:13] The morning is Connie Climates.

[3:16] I'm here on behalf of the Robert Reigns chapter of the daughter of the American Revolution.

[3:22] I want to thank you for considering moving the four-bar one memorial over here to the Grimes County Justice and Business Center.

[3:31] It was raising funds for that memorial was a two-year effort spirited by our regent Kathy Welles who couldn't be here.

[3:39] There are a number of people in this room who donated, contributed to that,

[3:44] more of one memorial, and I'm glad that it's going to be over here because it'll get a lot more

[3:48] disability, and I think that the man who served and the women who served need that recognition,

[3:57] it'll be a reminder every time somebody comes here with those people who sacrifice for us.

[4:02] So I appreciate your consideration, amendment.

[4:05] Thank you, Ms. Clements. At this time, we have Mr. J. Lafferty, and he would like to

[4:12] speak on the VA's report?

[4:20] They'll have to be better in service also for Grimes County, and several times I've been

[4:24] asking about some numbers I used to give report on dollars spent in the county, well after

[4:29] COVID I finally got another report.

[4:32] So I want to share it with you right quick since it doesn't require any action by the court.

[4:36] I thought I'd just do it here and do it quickly and be all the heavy information.

[4:40] All right, thank you.

[4:40] For fiscal year 21,

[4:45] the VA shows 1636 veterans in this county receiving some type of assistance from the Veterans Administration.

[4:55] That's not all the veterans, just the ones receiving some type of assistance.

[5:02] The total for the county is $20,551,000. Of that amount, 11,987 is direct payments into their

[5:16] bank accounts for their living expenses for groceries, rent, whatever. The rest of it is different

[5:23] types of medical care.

[5:26] So that's quite an impact for a county besides the grinds.

[5:30] And I've said this before, and I'm going to say again,

[5:35] as veterans service officer, I can tell you, this court

[5:38] has been nothing but helpful and supportive

[5:41] when it comes to county veterans.

[5:43] And I appreciate that.

[5:46] And I want to thank you all for the veterans.

[5:49] And you can see now what kind of impact they have

[5:52] And we just hope to continue to go on and take care of these guys and play these and try to make

[5:59] up for maybe some of the things I have to do in the literature.

[6:02] So thank you very much.

[6:04] Thank you, Mr. laughing.

[6:06] We want to remind everyone that this meeting is being recorded live and we ask that you please

[6:13] silence your cell phones and I don't see anybody with hats on their heads so I don't

[6:18] think we have to dress down.

[6:20] So now we are, I have one more, I'm sorry.

[6:27] You're going to make one.

[6:28] No, I think we had another public comment.

[6:30] Oh, I'm sorry.

[6:31] It was typed so nicely.

[6:33] I didn't see it.

[6:34] I thought it was paperwork.

[6:36] Ms. Vanessa for Zansky, please.

[6:38] As she was to speak on item 16 also.

[6:42] Yes, ma'am, commissioners.

[6:44] I am also, I am a member of the Robert Reigns,

[6:49] and I'm in full support of moving the monument from the historical part to the Graham's County Justice Center.

[6:57] Just so it'll have more visibility, more recognition.

[7:01] It'll be easily maintained in a great honor to our veterans.

[7:08] So I do support moving the monument.

[7:10] And the second item I have is I'd like to make a presentation.

[7:13] as a member of the Doctors of the American Revolution and in honor of Flag Day, which was yesterday.

[7:21] I want to present a certificate to Grimes Careney for the proper use, correct display,

[7:29] in patriotic presentation of the Flag of the United States of America.

[7:35] And it is signed by the National Chair and the President General of the Doctors on the American Revolution

[7:41] and it stated June 15th, 2022, thank you, Ms. Rizinski, and thank the door to us also, if I say that correct.

[7:54] Would you like to come forward with a report?

[8:36] There are no more public comments. We're now here from the Commissioner's Court.

[8:41] Do you have any comments or announcements?

[8:42] I do have one announcement, Commissioner Walker.

[8:47] We port the slab on the animal shelter Monday, if you hadn't heard, and we will have

[8:53] see some construction going up hopefully in about three weeks on it.

[8:58] So, I'm sorry.

[8:58] I'm sorry for being here.

[9:01] Are there any other announcements or comments?

[9:03] If not, we will move on to item number 6, 7, 8, 9, which are consent agenda items.

[9:15] Number 6 is consideration and possible approval of a waterline installation permit for

[9:21] Cajun Ridge and precinct one for Wix and Creek, SUD.

[9:26] Number 7 is consider and take action to approve the treasures listed in the claims and

[9:31] Number eight, consider and take action to approve payroll.

[9:38] And number nine, consider and take action to approve budget amendments and line our line item transfers.

[9:47] And we have any questions or concerns with those items.

[9:55] If there are no questions or comments, I move to approve consent agenda item 678.

[10:01] All right. We have a motion to approve consent agenda items. Is there any more discussion on the matter?

[10:10] If not, all of those in favor say aye. Any opposed? All right. Thank you.

[10:18] We are now up to item number 10 commissioner.

[10:20] a precinct to David Elbyinsky, the item is considered and recognize the following employees

[10:27] for the years of service.

[10:30] Five years, Harry Walker,

[10:35] our road and bridge engineer.

[10:37] Thank you, Mr. Walker.

[10:38] Come on up and receive your,

[10:44] that's good news.

[11:03] Thank you again.

[11:04] Now we have 10 years, Mr. David Lilly,

[11:09] our emergency management director.

[11:12] Thank you, Mr. Lily.

[11:16] Oh, he's the director and you are the coordinator.

[11:20] Okay, thank you.

[11:31] We also have 15 years in his patty, Irmace.

[11:35] Broden Bridge administrative assistant.

[11:49] Beautiful, Chelsea, also.

[11:56] All right, what we want to thank all our employees

[11:59] for the job that they do on a daily basis.

[12:03] Sometimes they can do a lot of work

[12:07] not get enough thank you, so thank you so much.

[12:10] Mr. Walker, I'd like to make a comment.

[12:12] We just evaluated our employees last weekend.

[12:16] Many times it was brought up that our employees make us, the court, look good and we appreciate

[12:22] the hard work that you guys do and the quality of the people that we have in place in

[12:27] Grimes County.

[12:27] I just want to say thank you.

[12:29] All right, thank you.

[12:30] Thank you.

[12:31] We'll move on to item number 11 update on ongoing projects,

[12:36] Grimes County, Jail, Grimes County Justice Center, and the maintenance and storage building.

[12:42] Mr. Floyd could not be here this morning, so we do have Miss Elizabeth.

[12:48] So everything with all the buildings is going great.

[12:51] Right now, we're trying to get bids and certain projects, stuff like that,

[12:56] following all the food we was in.

[12:57] But everything's going great. We do have contractors here at the Justice Center.

[13:01] For the next three days they're doing a lot of work.

[13:04] They're knocking out a lot of items on the punchists.

[13:08] When you say contractors here, you're talking about

[13:11] call your for the beer.

[13:14] And we are trying to get those things wrapped up

[13:16] before the end of the year.

[13:18] OK, I'm here in a lot of concerns pertaining to that.

[13:23] So we certainly thank you for addressing that item.

[13:25] And I also like to ask about the maintenance storage building.

[13:31] How is that progressing?

[13:32] and do we have a timeline yet?

[13:35] It's going good.

[13:36] We're hoping,

[13:38] fingers crossed by the end of August.

[13:42] Hoping.

[13:44] We're having to get several bids on certain things

[13:48] and so we're in the process of that

[13:51] and it's just as time goes.

[13:55] So hopefully that'll start going again,

[13:58] but it's hopefully by the end of August.

[14:00] All right, thank you, commissioners, do you all have any questions?

[14:07] All right, thank you very much.

[14:09] All right, we'll move on to item number 13.

[14:12] Discuss and review need for increased law enforcement within

[14:16] Grimes County and options to meet.

[14:20] Did I?

[14:21] I'm sorry, hello, hello.

[14:24] All right, item number 12, consider and take action to approve

[14:28] surplus items for options.

[14:32] Are you going to miss Elizabeth?

[14:34] These are just items that were brought to our auction

[14:36] room.

[14:37] Most of that I see deemed,

[14:43] yeah, they're not able to use

[14:46] them anymore.

[14:48] So it's just we want to auction them

[14:50] and whatever we can't auction, we will, of course,

[14:54] reach out to you in our process.

[14:57] We're outside with the art.

[15:18] We need to approve that item.

[15:27] I'm like a motion to approve item number 12 surplus items for auction and the proceeds to return to the general five.

[15:36] Second.

[15:37] All right.

[15:37] We have a motion to approve item number 12.

[15:42] Is there any more discussion on the matter?

[15:45] If not, all of those in favor say aye.

[15:49] Any opposed?

[15:51] All right.

[15:52] Thank you.

[15:53] We are now up to, let's say it's Graham's county judge, who's not present today, and Mr.

[16:00] Johnny Sexton to discuss and review the need for increased law enforcement within Graham's county,

[16:07] and options to meet this need. You may come to the podium.

[16:14] This was on the agenda a couple of weeks ago, and I do know that Mr. Sexton came prior back in April,

[16:22] if I make no mistake, and did public comments, and speaking with the judge, she saw the need

[16:29] for you to come back and do a presentation. I did reach out to the sheriff's office to make

[16:36] them aware that we are talking about elected officials' office, and I wanted to give them that

[16:42] respect of having someone present in the room in case there are any things we want to discuss

[16:49] are give feedback too. Okay, so we relinquished the floaties there.

[16:59] They ought to put a power point in. Oh, yes.

[17:13] Oh, that'd be great. First I want to apologize for not being here the last meeting.

[17:19] I was assigned to be here. I was on the list. I failed to show up.

[17:23] Excuse me, Mr. Six, and I don't mean any harm. But Vanessa, did you check what I

[17:29] to make sure they're in the back of the room that he can put that in it'll be okay.

[17:38] Okay, all right, I was just trying to follow policy.

[17:41] We just recently had training on cyber security, so I'm just checking.

[17:46] Okay, I'm sorry for the interruption.

[17:49] I want to apologize for not being here the last time I did receive a email from the judge.

[17:55] I only read part of it, which said he would be canceling the presentation because he couldn't be here.

[18:02] That's the way I read it.

[18:04] Didn't finish reading the email.

[18:06] I apologize for not being here.

[18:07] I've always attended my meetings when I'm assigned to him.

[18:10] Again, thank you for allowing me to come back.

[18:13] I certainly would allow me to come back from this meeting.

[18:17] That's right.

[18:21] I'm sorry.

[18:22] I didn't see Chief Green as also in the room.

[18:24] He was kind of hidden behind that podium.

[18:27] I couldn't see you so I just wanted to acknowledge him.

[18:35] This is about the Ryan County Law Enforcement Crisis, about the number of law enforcement.

[18:40] Within this county, that protects our civilians in our citizens.

[18:44] As you see on the slide, this is a black, it's called black swans and gray rhinals.

[18:50] Return to that. Thank you.

[18:51] Number one is, this is a book that I recommend for all leaders that have that's in leadership.

[18:59] It's a great read, very important to leadership in understanding the dynamics of the things that could go wrong within the community.

[19:11] My bio is business, bachelor's, I finished a master's of criminology, so I could teach criminology on a college level setting, I did a PhD in executive leadership, which told me two things, one is I did nothing about leadership, and two is I learned a little bit more about it than I had before.

[19:32] My family has always been in public service, servants, my father's picture on the left here.

[19:39] He's the third one up on the second one up on the top row from the left.

[19:43] Shot down in the B-19 over Germany spent two years in prison camp returning and raised a family.

[19:49] People always ask me, how were you raised?

[19:52] I'll tell you right now, I was raised a rigid, very rigid.

[19:56] He's maintained order, at least I thought he'd be it.

[19:59] Bye-bye.

[20:00] I fall so as from here, I'm not. She spent 10 years as a police officer and actually dropped out. The tired out went to the

[20:09] finisher to bring in psychology and went to work for Cosson. I absolutely, I take a bullet for

[20:15] hearing any day. Next slide.

[20:19] This county has 830,000 plus employees. I know this is not employees,

[20:25] civilians, there's nothing new that you don't know at this point. Troopers have been sent to

[20:31] border as a governor requested, but I know they've changed that up since the last meeting

[20:36] us attending with crime stoppers. They don't send them off in one county. They send a few

[20:41] at a time. They've turned them back, so they don't actually limit the number of troopers

[20:46] that are working the county, which is good. The cost was due patrolling. They also do still

[20:52] processing, limit-crow capabilities, within every county and in Texas or most of them.

[20:59] Our share of control that I understand, we have 15 to 16, and these records are accurate

[21:06] to design on next for it on what personnel that they have.

[21:11] Two deputies are on 12-hour shifts.

[21:14] When I heard that, I was absolutely overwhelmed.

[21:17] The fact that you have B9's 35 miles up here in highway six and highway two down the

[21:22] this way about 25 miles. If you have a deputy at a family store, but it's up in B-dice

[21:26] from one off the highway too, you're going to have to call somebody else out. It's all

[21:31] syrup and B-dice is getting beaten by a family member on a family disturbance. He really

[21:37] needs her. She really needs a back up pretty quickly. Not just, you know, 15, 20, 30 minutes

[21:42] or whatever time it takes for an office for one. High speed up that freeway at night time

[21:47] that back him up, which is also very dangerous.

[21:52] One thing that you can't count with patrol is by count.

[21:55] I mean, the number is when you have jailers,

[21:58] they're mandated by the state about how many

[22:00] sports to be in that jail.

[22:01] They can't pull them out and say, OK, you six

[22:03] are going to go patrol tonight.

[22:05] It's not going to happen.

[22:06] It's a rule.

[22:06] It's a law set by the state.

[22:09] Another thing that you have to consider is vacation sickly,

[22:13] court, subpoena, district and county meetings, attorney meetings, over cases, which reduced

[22:21] the number of control it could be in the immediate area.

[22:24] Let's say one sick, or two sick, and you have to replace it with whatever that you have

[22:28] available.

[22:29] We saw the sergeants, they have to pull them out with them on the control.

[22:33] If there's other deputies within the county that have control cars, then possible they need

[22:38] to be called.

[22:38] And if they live at a county with patrol cars, and let's say, probably, we have a problem

[22:42] because whether a longer way from here than most would be if they live in my Kimstead, next

[22:49] live, please.

[22:51] The Black Swan Theory is pretty basic.

[22:54] Black Swan's never existed as force people know, metaphor is unforeseen, events that have

[23:00] significant consequences for economy, leadership cannot predict everything, you cannot predict

[23:07] everything.

[23:09] It's an event that comes as a surprise has a major effect, such as cell phones, the 911 attack

[23:15] on the Twin Towers, Texas Quarterback invasion, the terrorist attack.

[23:22] Ray Rhino's theories this, it's obviously highly visible, high impact, invasion crisis on

[23:28] Texas Quarterback.

[23:29] And I call an invasion, I don't know how many others would consider that, but when you

[23:33] have 18,000 or 20,000 coming across, it should be here within now, or the next

[23:38] weeks or so, I'm just wondering where they coming from, what are they doing, why are they

[23:42] here, why didn't they go through the white process, which is the right way to do it,

[23:46] it's according to law. It's highly probable, but neglected, but neglected threats. It has

[23:53] enormous impacts. It holds the decision makers accountable when they fail to keep threats

[23:59] and turning into test-free. COVID-19,

[24:06] free-chorus we have with charging rhinos, we can get

[24:09] sample and get out of the way. We can hop on back and use crisis as an opportunity, as a

[24:14] lot of leaders do.

[24:18] Why do we not react to Ray Rhino's psychological reasons, fear. We can

[24:23] fear everything and run, or we can face everything and rise. What's not our problem? Human

[24:29] biases. I ask of course another day when they ask me about what I thought about the border

[24:35] problem. I said, what we have a large number coming across, they determine there's been

[24:40] terrorist and also want to be put on one across the country, across the world.

[24:48] I said it could impact here, and the person answering me with this, that's on the border.

[24:52] It's never so, it's not affected me.

[24:55] That's a great way to consider the problems that are rising.

[24:59] Those have not come.

[25:00] And here we'll shame on one of the atomic bombs in an awful nuclear weapons. The other city, you think they said they're in a state of hate, it's not our city, not our problem. Not going to affect us, but it does affect us. It is affecting us nationally. If you look at the reality, bless their hearts, they had enormous amount of evil that came through and took out lives and teachers. But also prior to that, which a lot of people don't know about, I still have contact with them.

[25:30] for people in the federal side and also on the state side is the us.

[25:35] Evality had a bus show up that came from the border, they opened the doors, and let

[25:39] them out.

[25:41] It was a group that they picked up on the border, and loaded out.

[25:45] You know, the sheriff, the commissioner said, we need to do something about this week.

[25:48] We don't have any place to put them in the government drivers on the bus, and we don't have

[25:53] any place to put them either because the hotels are full of them.

[25:58] pass them and along the border. So we brought them to Goliath. They're going to go to

[26:05] the Valley. Valley Sheriff got together with commissioners. They found out that they could

[26:12] move to San Antonio, which they did. They had to pay for the bus driver and the buses to drive

[26:17] them there and San Antonio said they would house them.

[26:22] The program to pay more attention to

[26:23] information we'd like other than information we don't like.

[26:28] For reaction stages, we say nothing

[26:31] happen. It may happen, but I should do anything about it. Maybe I should do something, but there's

[26:37] nothing I can do. Maybe there was something I could have done, but it's too late.

[26:44] The

[26:44] regular brown-oh reality check is what's the big thing in front of me that's going to

[26:47] trample me unless I do something. In other words, we have two definitely zone in the evening

[26:54] in Grimes County. We respond quickly to unexpected situations. In other words, if there's a major

[27:01] issue in B-dice with a shootout, going to call out everybody we can to get over there from

[27:07] here to raise his county, the backup and support and help and stop the crime that's

[27:13] taken place. Playing political games doesn't help. Project I dial out theologically

[27:19] disputes by some politics and finger pointing. If I have the power to do stuff and then

[27:24] of my go, how fast is the rhino coming, how much damage is going to do?

[27:31] The charging rider is the worst thing to do is to do nothing, or afraid to do the right

[27:37] thing.

[27:38] Make the wrong decision, or let's blame someone else, like the Texas World of Wild,

[27:45] the most wagon commission scandal.

[27:49] But the cutting, carried by the scandal, next slide.

[27:55] Charge the Rino invasion of crisis on the border.

[27:59] 131,000 in March 2022.

[28:02] I mean, I'm behind on my date on my statistics.

[28:05] I don't know what the number is now.

[28:07] 11,000 arrest in the end.

[28:09] They're a cartel members, murders, child rape,

[28:11] many wanted people.

[28:14] Reality will be from Russia, Nigeria, China, Iran,

[28:20] potential threats to the U.S.

[28:22] 155 countries in the last year.

[28:26] 18,000 a day were expected in May of 2022.

[28:30] We're already here.

[28:32] Health services are affected.

[28:33] Community services are affected.

[28:35] Low enforcement will require over time,

[28:37] a certain moment.

[28:40] The new phenomena is federal government is bushing communities like

[28:44] Ike Valley, San Antonio,

[28:47] bus triples to Washington, D.C. by our governor, which I just don't

[28:52] quite understand that. I'm just thinking, why can't we just take and turn the bus around

[28:57] at the border and drive them back and cross them out? It just seems like a simple thing

[29:02] and people say, well, you don't know the big picture. I think I know the big picture

[29:06] and the big pictures, this we have people coming in our country and no one's saying

[29:11] about it, no one's trying to stop this, law enforcement is not ready, they won't ready

[29:15] on the border, calling me sure if they don't they're called any commissioner down there

[29:19] along that border and ask them, hey, how's it going down there, what do you think, what

[29:23] do you trying to do, how are you handling your business down there, did you have to bring in

[29:27] more law enforcement? The answer is probably true, yes, they probably do. Service industries

[29:33] are depleted. Increased all of the copies, all of the copies have taken place along the West

[29:37] and South Texas border, because of their bodies showing up in the country, on the river.

[29:43] How fast is the rhino coming? How it's time to be prepared.

[29:49] The collection is now what do we do? The governor had a meeting with sheriff's

[29:53] performance, share up all, share up some amount, and down the board on, and the big-

[30:00] The picture is the border sheriff's, more ready for it. There is a coalition now of the border sheriff's. They do consider an invasion. We've talked about what happened in your valley. My thoughts are we need to speak with the commissioners and sheriff's across the border and say, what can we do, what do we need to do? How can we help you if we can't help you? Next slide.

[30:23] And the House, we have 138, 139, on House, 131, the Senate, that's across the United States.

[30:29] That's about 7,383 pledge sliders, almost 8,000 elected officials.

[30:38] And I wonder why did someone stand up and say, why can't we do something about this?

[30:43] Why can't we fix this problem?

[30:45] We can seem to be able to fix any other problem across America that comes up.

[30:49] But this one is not going to happen at this time.

[30:53] Next time.

[30:55] It's an invitation.

[30:56] Next time.

[30:58] Thank you for your invitation.

[30:59] Remember, we fear everything and run.

[31:01] We face everything and rise.

[31:02] I stand up for God, family, country, law and order.

[31:06] Thank you.

[31:06] We've been questions.

[31:13] I guess the presentation may, I don't see it.

[31:20] I'm obsessed with the wind.

[31:23] Here's what my father was told.

[31:25] He said, if you bring me a problem, it's on.

[31:28] You didn't have some type of solution.

[31:30] I don't care what it is.

[31:31] Tell me what you think you can do.

[31:34] My answer is this.

[31:35] Not just about the border, but about this law enforcement

[31:38] problem in our area, we even have more officers, certainly in the county, and certainly on

[31:43] patrol.

[31:44] I know we need to remember where else, but you have to ask yourself, how can we fix this

[31:49] problem?

[31:49] What's going to take the budget?

[31:51] No doubt about that.

[31:52] But also we can have things that might potentially work out with reserves.

[31:58] I know a lot of sheriff's will look at it as a problem, as reserves, or reserves are not full

[32:03] time people with a buy-in, but when you have a buy-in with officers, in other words,

[32:07] officers live here, they have a buy-in because they work for the sheriff, where they live.

[32:12] If you don't live here, you don't have a buy-in for it.

[32:15] You can't vote for me.

[32:17] My gosh, if I'm working for the sheriff, I should be able to live in this county and vote for

[32:22] me.

[32:23] He's paying my salary.

[32:25] If you're interested in court paying my salary, I should live here.

[32:29] So I'm thinking if you don't live here, well, you probably should live here.

[32:33] And the idea is if you have patrol cars going out of the county, especially if I can

[32:37] for a long time in Montgomery County, let's get them back in here because now is a time

[32:43] and we need more low enforcement. If we have more patrol cars, yes, what? We can put people

[32:48] in those cars to answer calls to backup officers to support our low enforcement to protect our citizens.

[32:56] So they answer pretty simple for me as let's bring in people here. That's horrible.

[33:00] Can we bring in more DPS? Not sure. I know they're trying to do that.

[33:05] They've been down the road.

[33:06] We'll come back up to where we used to be with a higher number of troopers.

[33:10] But when you think about what I told a couple of weeks ago, this county investigated

[33:16] about 600 traffic accidents.

[33:18] Think of the enormity of that.

[33:20] 600 traffic accidents.

[33:23] That then includes every other call with, you know, dull in the road.

[33:27] Some might shoot in the cattle.

[33:28] cattle theft, burglars, thefts, auto thefts, all those other major crimes that take place,

[33:36] 600 traffic accidents, that's not one where you just drive up and you handle the reforms

[33:40] they fill us out, it takes an officer a little bit of time to correct those problems, fix

[33:45] what's in the file, write it down, send it off to make sure everything's correct on it,

[33:51] so everybody works out well with the insurance in that.

[33:54] That's a lot of time, we're now in investigation of accidents, not only everything else I have to do.

[34:01] So a fix in the problem is, yes, we do need more people.

[34:04] But I have an answer how to do that, not really other than the few things I mentioned.

[34:10] I hope we can do that.

[34:12] Thank you for coming.

[34:13] Thank you, Mr. Sexton, for your presentation.

[34:19] We are currently in budget reviews and the sheriff's office has presented their budget.

[34:26] I'm just curious, did you have an opportunity to speak to our elected officials, our sheriff,

[34:33] or any members of his...

[34:35] I've talked to a few employees.

[34:38] Not that I'm coming in and saying, hey, I need to know all this data about your department.

[34:42] I'm not doing that. I don't want to know that. That's not my business. That's your business.

[34:46] My business is almost civilian, and I want to make sure this community, and I didn't

[34:52] live in Minnesota.

[34:54] But this community, this county is protected.

[34:56] I know what it's like to be out there by yourself as a deputy on the roadway.

[35:00] And some of my starts beating on you. And you're wondering where you're back up is, well, at least 20 miles a week. Well, let's say 20 miles, as I'm on the ground getting my head kicked in, that's going to take me about 15 minutes, hope he doesn't die for it gets here.

[35:12] And I hope I survive this as a guy's trying to take the gun in the holster. Those little face come into mind, play pretty quickly when you're being assaulted by someone.

[35:21] And certainly when you're trying to put someone under arrest, that's a lot bigger than your or it's a gun battle.

[35:28] There's a few more issues that come into play with you might die on this God.

[35:33] One thing about all should be going to get up in the morning.

[35:35] I always did.

[35:36] I looked in the mirror and said today, today's a good day.

[35:39] I'm coming back home, the same way I got here.

[35:44] God will not beat up and how to uniform ripped off what's happened.

[35:49] I went to work one afternoon and one hour came back.

[35:53] My uniform was ripped up, I had blood all over me from the other guy, injury on my head,

[35:59] and paddy since horse.

[36:01] If you just left the house, I know by, I'm back here now changing uniform, going back

[36:06] to work.

[36:07] That's what you're supposed to do.

[36:08] That's way most officers think.

[36:10] I'm going to assault it.

[36:11] That's a part of the gang.

[36:13] You have to survive on the streets.

[36:16] And survival alone is pretty difficult when you're out there in the middle of nowhere

[36:20] to a young man, and you're hoping to back up against their young son.

[36:27] Thank you, Mr. Sexton. Do any of our law enforcement that are present? Do y'all have any comments

[36:34] that y'all would like to add to the discussion?

[36:40] I have a comment, I won't make. Anybody that thinks this is not affecting Ryan's County.

[36:46] About a year ago, I pulled into circle to you, and now I saw that there was a bus sitting there.

[36:50] And I got out to go in to get me something to eat, and there were about 35 people who

[36:56] don't belong here that were in there buying food and stuff, some of them were milling around

[37:00] outside smoking and stuff.

[37:02] And when I came out, I went over and talked to the bus driver and I asked him where they

[37:06] were from and where they were going.

[37:08] Well, they were coming from Houston headed to Dallas, and I asked him, I said, are these

[37:12] illegal's on this bus?

[37:14] He said, yes, some of them probably are, I said, what are you going to do with me?

[37:16] He said, you want some of them?

[37:17] I said, no.

[37:18] So they're looking for a place to get rid of, and some of them probably stayed here now, so, you know.

[37:25] Well, again, I don't want to sound prejudice, I'm not prejudice.

[37:29] I had a custodian work for almost 20 years at the college, a bright, bright person, bright employee.

[37:37] She's from El Salvador. She came over here with a green part, with one daughter.

[37:42] She said to each other, she went through and got her American citizenship.

[37:46] It took her two years to do that.

[37:49] She studied better American systems, you know, and it's fraught to be here, fraught American.

[37:55] She strived to do the right thing, and she is doing the right thing.

[37:58] That's all I'm asking you, so they do the right thing.

[38:02] Thank you once again.

[38:04] I recently read article and I'd like to tell you, it was a story just recently introduced

[38:16] from the Wall Street Journal, that talked about rural American reels from violent crimes.

[38:24] People lose in their ever-loving minds.

[38:28] So it's a great read on what's happening post-pandemic and the challenges that we as a nation

[38:35] face.

[38:36] So we really appreciate you coming, which your presentation this morning.

[38:40] I'm glad the law enforcement came out also to hear what you had to present and we want to thank them also coming over.

[38:50] And with that being said, then we'll move on to item number 14.

[38:59] This is consider and take action on the 20, 22, 20, 23 renewal notice and benefit confirmation provided by Texas Association.

[39:09] county for county employee health and dental benefits. It's presented by our human resource

[39:17] director, Ms. Toledo Coleman.

[39:21] You are provided documents,

[39:25] consideration for renewing

[39:26] our employees, health, dental, and live benefits, which I'll have any questions over

[39:31] those first before we get started.

[39:35] Yes, ma'am. I think we received several options. So if you'd like to walk us through some

[39:42] those options, I'd greatly appreciate it.

[39:45] So we'll start with the 2022, 2022 Great Alternate Plan for Ptozal.

[39:51] Your first column shows you the current year plan, which is what we currently have,

[39:56] and the rates that we are currently paying.

[39:59] One of the documents that you read.

[40:06] Proceed.

[40:07] on what you see is if we keep the same plan, exactly how we have it, those will be your

[40:13] new renewal rates. You have an option 1 and an option 2.

[40:19] Is code, you send a separate document, so which ones are you warning us to,

[40:31] you can proceed.

[40:34] So on the first sheet that gives you exactly what we have and what our new rates are going

[40:39] be and then a couple of different options.

[40:43] The main difference between options one and option two and what we currently have is it

[40:48] increases the employees' co-pay and increases the deductible.

[40:53] Last year we switched from a grandfather plan to a non-grandfather plan.

[40:58] I was questioned by another boy if our rate's going up was that effective because we switched

[41:03] from a grandfather to a non-grandfather.

[41:05] Now, that was not the case.

[41:06] It has been out of claims that tap paid out or up a half.

[41:11] Mercy is what we actually paid in.

[41:14] When we switched last year, we had a $600 deductible.

[41:17] We switched to this non-grandfather plan because it offered a lot

[41:20] of additional free benefits to our employees

[41:24] and it lowered the co-pays.

[41:26] And we got rid of our deductible for our prescription plan.

[41:31] So just keep in mind, we did increase the employees' deductibles

[41:34] from last year to this year.

[41:37] In order to lower the rates down,

[41:39] you have to have a higher deductible

[41:41] at the employees that be required to meet.

[41:45] So one of the reasons why, if you look at the next page,

[41:48] behind that one at the 12-month medical report,

[41:53] it is from April 2021 through March of 2022.

[41:57] I'm going to check this here.

[42:03] On average, average subscribers, we had 179 average members,

[42:09] which is your subscriber plus dependence.

[42:12] We had 283 members.

[42:16] Total contribution in those 12 months from the county

[42:20] and the employee is 1.9 million.

[42:23] That is broken down by medical and pharmacy.

[42:27] But we paid out, if you look at the paid out column,

[42:29] we paid out 2.1 million.

[42:32] Which means we contributed less than what they actually paid out.

[42:35] So that was one of the biggest factors of our rate,

[42:39] And the pool plays the remaining balance.

[42:42] The pool pays the remaining.

[42:43] So that's one of the advantages of being in the pool.

[42:45] You have some that pay in more, and don't have all the payouts.

[42:48] And then you have some, like that's this past year,

[42:51] didn't pay in enough, but the pool still covered all the costs.

[42:58] The next page, you'll see it's some benefits that were paid out.

[43:08] It shows you, of course, these are actual claims.

[43:10] everything is encrypted, so there's no identifying information.

[43:16] But you can look through that and you can see some of the medical claims that were paid out.

[43:21] We had $320,000 that was paid out to one of our members.

[43:29] We also had one that was at 281,000, 100 and 58,000.

[43:34] And then it kind of goes down from there.

[43:35] But we have some pretty big claims this past year.

[43:47] Are these the numbers, or did you get an opportunity to talk back with tech yesterday?

[43:54] Okay, did they offer any new information on what you and I would discuss it on the phone?

[44:01] Yeah, the deductibles.

[44:02] I have that from here.

[44:04] That's it.

[44:04] That out yesterday, even.

[44:05] Okay.

[44:06] So in 2020, if you want to talk about that real quick, we had 66 members meet the deductible.

[44:17] And 2021, we had 65 meet that deductible, and so far from October to April, we've had 37 people meet the current deductibles.

[44:28] So they are meetings pretty consistent.

[44:30] The deductible we currently have is about 50, 70, 50,

[44:39] and that was a concern that you and I talked about if they were actually meeting deductible.

[44:45] So if the court opt to take one of the optional plans,

[44:50] then it would potentially affect 66 of our employees.

[44:54] That seems to be the running number,

[44:57] 66, and 225, and 225.

[45:04] And when they don't meet the deductibles, then they're paying higher costs.

[45:10] Right.

[45:15] If you want to talk about the option of date, you sent us yesterday else.

[45:19] Do you have any other questions about the reports that were provided? They sent several different ones.

[45:24] Yeah.

[45:31] Okay.

[45:32] We can go back to the first page.

[45:36] So you were sent an Excel spreadsheet that looks like this.

[45:39] that goes along with the renewal options, option 1, option 2.

[45:46] All right.

[45:50] So what we're looking at in our current deductible out of network is 750.

[45:59] And then the out of network is 1000.

[46:03] If we move to option 1, deductible increases to 1000 and 3000.

[46:09] and option 2, 1500 to 4,500. Also, along with those the changes that we would see from where we currently pay 25 dollars for an office visit, the office visits would increase with either option to 30 dollars, right?

[46:28] Okay,

[46:34] so option one you want to go with what we're saving if we go with a different option if you look at your current plan

[46:45] You'll see that you have employee only cost our old rate, which is basically our current rate and then the new rate of what it will be

[46:53] that increase is increase

[46:55] per month

[46:57] per member

[46:58] currently we have a hundred and eighty-one members

[47:04] So if you take the new rate and the difference, increase cost, times 181 employees,

[47:13] times a year.

[47:14] It's 136,358 dollars and 16 cents increase for employee only, which is the county,

[47:29] currently

[47:29] It also will affect the employees who have dependents, so you see the E.C. that's employee child, the E.M.C. that's employees with multiple children, E.S. is employee spouse, and then E.F. is employee family, so you can see what those costs increase will be by maintaining the current plan.

[47:51] which, in my opinion, is the best policy or best coverage for our employees,

[47:57] due to it's not increasing their deductibles,

[48:00] or they have to pay out in order to meet for the insurance benefits to kick in.

[48:05] And it doesn't raise their co-pays.

[48:08] Option one, you can look and see what those figures are.

[48:12] I don't think I need to read out every single one of them,

[48:14] but we'll just look at employee only.

[48:16] Option one, if the county chose to go to that,

[48:19] It's increasing the rate from 837 to 879-86, which is an increase of 42-86.

[48:26] You take those figures in times the amount of employees per month, and that's a $93,000 increase.

[48:33] Which is a savings of 43,266-24 from our current plan.

[48:39] And then option two.

[48:41] Could you go back just one moment?

[48:43] But that does increase the...

[48:45] That increases their copay and their deductible.

[48:49] And there, okay, you sit copay, it's a 30 and then the deductible will go from 752

[48:56] a thousand.

[48:57] Just the

[49:00] option one, the total increase, 93,000, 91 dollars and 92 cents.

[49:10] If you want to option two, which in my opinion does not even need to be considered, because

[49:17] with pretty much doubles are employees deductible rate

[49:20] that they have to meet.

[49:23] To meet, the old rate is 837.

[49:25] The new rate would be 845, 84.

[49:27] That's an increase of $8.84 per person,

[49:31] which is a yearly increase of $19,248.

[49:34] That would save the county $117,168.

[49:40] That increases double what your employee has to pay out of pocket.

[49:43] for their deductible and increases their co-paying.

[49:49] But choosing any alternate plan, the employee will have a higher co-pay and deductible.

[49:58] You will also provide...

[50:01] Additional Excel spreadsheet yesterday afternoon. We have a total of 58 employees currently that has dependents covered on their insurance.

[50:16] If you took our current plan and took one of our employees actual pay rate, which is in the column that you see current rate,

[50:25] And you were to apply the increase of the insurance so that employee, by hour, is broken down

[50:33] for hourly rate.

[50:36] You will see that if an employee making that current rate has an employee, a family plan

[50:40] which we do have, their insurance at minimum increase for them is a little over 3%.

[50:49] If the county gave a 5% raise to those employees, 3.11% of our 5% raise or their 5% raise would go directly to their insurance because of the cost of this one.

[51:04] And then I'll also give you an option which would show the percentage rates, if the insurance court chose option one.

[51:13] I did not give you numbers for option two because I do not think that that needs to be considered.

[51:28] Our dental rates are not going up, and our life insurance is not going up, so this is just

[51:33] held.

[51:46] Okay.

[51:46] The last email I received was this sheet, did you send some of the napkin in it?

[51:52] There was two tabs in the bottom of that one, Excel sheet.

[51:59] Maybe I didn't go to the table, so, okay.

[52:03] Thank you.

[52:21] Commissioner, you all have any questions for Ms. Coleman at this time?

[52:26] The difference between, I guess, the current renewal, and then option one, cost to the county is around 40.

[52:35] You have the difference between now.

[52:37] The savings.

[52:38] Well, yeah, but how much is it always saying?

[52:41] 43,000, 266, 24 if you go with option one.

[52:48] But the benefits to the county employees will be.

[52:51] You're going to rate their deductible.

[52:56] It's not really, well, all of our benefits are great benefits for our employees.

[53:02] I mean, that's one of the things we talk about when we, it's an incentive for people

[53:09] to work here in Grimes County because of the benefits.

[53:15] What type of increased did we see last year?

[53:21] Well last year it was a hundred million dollars.

[53:26] because we know that Dental didn't change, but Dental, Dental and everything changed last year, just a little.

[53:33] But this year, this year, no, it's not changing.

[53:36] And your life's not changing.

[53:38] And I wear prescription.

[53:40] None of that change.

[53:42] That's not the attack.

[53:43] But yes, man, that's not changing either.

[53:46] But that's also a benefit, you know, to our employees.

[53:49] So,

[53:55] but the biggest change, and the biggest change was because we've had a couple of

[54:00] very large.

[54:01] Yeah.

[54:02] So, another sheet that was provided explained how much our benefits pull.

[54:09] When we switched last year from the grandfather plan to the non-grandfather plan, we were just

[54:13] barely in the pandemic, so there wasn't a lot of hard numbers.

[54:18] Since COVID, the late 20s, and all the way through early 22, so far the poll has paid

[54:23] out nearly $37 million in COVID-related expenses, a much new $37 million.

[54:33] Just for Grimescoun?

[54:35] No.

[54:35] The poll.

[54:36] The poll.

[54:37] Thank you.

[54:38] Yes, the poll.

[54:40] The way they determined what they needed in order to recoup the poll's expense, the

[54:46] had to set a bare minimum percent to increase, which is 5.9% that was a bare minimum.

[54:54] Some were a little higher, some were a little lower.

[54:57] I guess that earlier ours had to go up to the 7.5.

[55:03] So that's why we're sitting at the seven and a half percent. The actual inflation cost for Texas, increase for insurance company, is anywhere from 9.8% to 13.8%. So even though we're at a seven and a half percent, we're still below the state average, everybody else's insurance is going to happen.

[55:24] So, a couple of comments on this, I believe that the health insurance is one of the most

[55:30] valuable and important benefits that are offered in Grimes County, and if we need to cut

[55:35] somewhere, I don't think health insurance is where we need to do it.

[55:40] I also need to point out that the tax payers do contribute about $11,000 per employee to pay

[55:49] for the health insurance.

[55:50] And

[55:57] I think probably who the years, it's not unusual to see just like inflation on everything else.

[56:07] You also have it which you're insurance rates.

[56:10] So that's why I was asking, was it out of range from what we typically see?

[56:17] You know, we know that those, that's probably one of the things where we're going to see an increase annually.

[56:23] So it's either, we have an increased regardless, but we either save by changing shifting burdens

[56:37] to either the employee or the county pays, the benefits for the employee,

[56:47] but somebody pays.

[56:48] It doesn't go away, and with your increase, and that's the reason why we talked about deductibles.

[56:58] You and I on the phone is, you know, if you are a family, well, co-paste.

[57:05] If you're a family and you have multiple children and you're taking your children to the doctor quite often, that can be quite cost,

[57:13] Are you a chronic sufferer?

[57:16] Most doctors office is going to charge a co-pay for each.

[57:20] So if you have four kids, and you all go to the doctor together, then you're paying four

[57:26] times a co-pay for that doctor's visit.

[57:29] So even with our co-paste being at $25, if we have employees who have multiple children, they

[57:34] happen to get all sick of the same time, which happens quite frequently because they pass

[57:38] germs around.

[57:39] They could go in and one doctor says it could cost them $1.00 and it's easier for them

[57:47] also to meet the deductible with the law or deductible.

[57:51] I think today is a economy if we raise the deductible.

[57:55] That's why I said the option to, in my opinion, is to just not even be considered.

[58:00] It's going to be hard for some employees if they have to use the adequate work doctor to come up with that type of

[58:10] And we've seen, we've been in a pandemic, we are just emerging, and we still don't know where we're headed at this current time.

[58:20] I mean, we've had some success,

[58:36] but we're still seeing the trending apparently, so.

[58:41] Yes. So we talked about post pandemic early. This is some of the results of being in a pandemic

[58:51] that you see a lot more claims had to be paid out. Because people are still, you have

[58:58] long haulers now and we still have children who may not who are at risk being in school

[59:07] with multiple children, and so I just think that in my opinion, and I'm just talking to the court.

[59:20] I think what we offer our employees is a good benefit to them.

[59:26] And that's what we talk about the need for making sure that our employees are getting

[59:37] those incentives.

[59:38] When we're trying to get people to come to work to Grimes County and to stay with

[59:42] Grimes County, these are the things that people look at because if you're monet, I'm

[59:49] not, may not use this word right, but if it were money, these benefits are money to

[59:54] employees. So if another county offers better benefit.

[1:00:00] It's then, you know, we have that problem with, you know, grooming employees and then we lose them. So this is all part of considering trying to keep our employees here.

[1:00:12] And we've heard from our employees, some of them directly this year, about the effects of the coverage we did go to.

[1:00:21] So we definitely don't want to run into more of those issues that we ran into.

[1:00:26] But it's still a great benefit to have this current pack that we have.

[1:00:32] We,

[1:00:38] what pressure machines they can get by these testing kits for free.

[1:00:42] There's a lot of, you know, you get a wellness exam for colonoscopies and stuff like that that are other planned and provide.

[1:00:52] Which after talking with the tech,

[1:00:55] If I go into the different options, those necessarily want to affect those, it just might be

[1:01:00] affective costs that would be aburting back to the employee.

[1:01:05] Well, I'm going to ask you to speak, they asked us IT to speak directly into the mics because

[1:01:12] we got a new recording system and we want to make sure that we're recording, you know,

[1:01:17] everywhere that's being said and you just said something that was really important that

[1:01:23] some of the perks that we saw with changing to this plan last year, right?

[1:01:27] Right, so our employees can receive free blood pressure kits to manage their blood pressures.

[1:01:35] They can get a free diabetes kit with monitoring services and they can also have colonoscopies

[1:01:42] and a couple of other different annual exams that they normally would have had to pay for on the previous plan.

[1:01:47] Those are all included.

[1:01:49] Now, about changing into the different options, it doesn't necessarily mean that those services

[1:01:53] are going to delay, but it could have a cost impact to the employee as well.

[1:01:59] And we saw some of those impacts, but we also know that tech worked with the county to

[1:02:05] try to mitigate the concerns that we did see that came to the court.

[1:02:11] Yes.

[1:02:11] That wasn't necessarily with our medical.

[1:02:13] that was with our prescription provider.

[1:02:18] It's a little bit different.

[1:02:19] It's kind of combined, but there's two separate entities.

[1:02:22] But yes.

[1:02:24] And I will note that, based on my experience,

[1:02:27] most of the preventative requirements or health concerns are covered under our insurance

[1:02:35] with little to no expense to the plus.

[1:02:38] A lot of your wellness exams are covered under our current plan.

[1:02:46] Well, thank you, Ms. Cove, when you did a great job and help us understand and research

[1:02:53] the information that we've been provided. Is there any more discussion from the court?

[1:03:02] I guess because this is budgetary, do we go ahead and make the decision now? Is it a time frame

[1:03:08] for a tax?

[1:03:09] There is. I have to have this fact to know about the end of the month.

[1:03:13] That being said, I'll move that we stay with the current plant, the same block that's

[1:03:18] consensus of the court, because that is one of the drawing cards that we use to try to

[1:03:23] bring employees into our system.

[1:03:29] Did I hear a second?

[1:03:31] Yes, I see.

[1:03:32] Okay.

[1:03:32] All right.

[1:03:34] We have a motion to stay with the, for the 2022, 2023 renewal and benefits, confirmation package

[1:03:43] we've received from tax that we stay with the current plan that we are offering our employees

[1:03:51] is there any more discussion on the matter?

[1:03:54] Just clarify that it's plan 1100-ng okay

[1:04:07] at this time, all of those in favor say aye any

[1:04:13] opposed. All right. Ms. Kent Clark, did you get the number of that plan? Okay,

[1:04:23] okay, thank

[1:04:24] you, man. All right, thank you, Ms. Coleman. I think that was everything that was on your

[1:04:32] list of things. Thank you. Thank you. We're up to item number 15, consider and take action

[1:04:39] to accept donation of real property.

[1:04:42] Described as 1.229 acres, more or less out of the Darryest Creek Survey

[1:04:48] abstract number 21 Grimes County Texas,

[1:04:52] will our presenter will be Ms. Mary and Waters Grimes County

[1:04:57] Texas.

[1:04:58] Collector.

[1:05:00] Good morning, commissioners. As you can see, I am not Mary Ann Waters. There was a change she's out of town. She asked me to present on behalf of the historical commission.

[1:05:10] Okay.

[1:05:11] And you are, sir.

[1:05:13] Sorry, my name is Andrew Duncan. Part of the historical commission.

[1:05:18] And IT for the kind.

[1:05:20] Thank you.

[1:05:23] Did you want to elaborate on this?

[1:05:26] Do I have to?

[1:05:27] It would be nice.

[1:05:31] So William Thomas, many of you know him as Billy Thomas, apparently in his passing donated property located at two to five fanthorp street here in Anderson.

[1:05:44] The historical commission is ready and willing to take control of that property.

[1:05:54] I believe we just bring that to you to make it official.

[1:05:58] So this is a donation from Mr. William Paul, Thomas Jr.

[1:06:06] And does it house 2 houses? Is that what I'm seeing?

[1:06:10] It is a single 2 story house. There is a storage barn, metal barn beside it, and there is a wood barn at the far back corner of the property as well.

[1:06:20] And this is several lots equaling up to 1.229 acres on the corner of Fantrop and Apolonia Avenue if I make no mistake.

[1:06:34] Is there any discussion on the matter?

[1:06:38] You are member of the historical?

[1:06:40] Yes, ma'am.

[1:06:42] What are your plans for the structures that are on the property?

[1:06:45] We currently have no solid plans, it has not been brought to the historical commission yet.

[1:06:52] We did not have our meeting, our monthly meeting last Monday, because Marianne was out of town.

[1:07:00] We're still exploring options on the property.

[1:07:04] There have a couple of ideas been thrown around, but nothing solid does yet.

[1:07:09] So, do you feel like it would be the historical commissions intent to approach the county for

[1:07:19] maintenance of those structures?

[1:07:22] Currently, I can't speak to any of that at this time.

[1:07:24] I know we do have funds that we would attempt if we decide to fix it up, like that's a commission decision,

[1:07:35] and none of this has been brought to our commission yet.

[1:08:00] Would Grimes County then have any say in the maintenance of it, or is it all look to the historical?

[1:09:39] Currently has a value of the price of district of 238,000 approximately right?

[1:09:48] Yes ma

[1:09:51] 'am.

[1:09:52] And considered the ancients.

[1:10:02] Okay, $700 to $1,000 annually. Do we ensure any of the other structures that they have?

[1:10:38] So, in theory, the reality, the maintenance, if this is approved, would fall underground scanning,

[1:10:45] and potentially fall under the maintenance department?

[1:12:21] The insurer's currently coming out of that department's budget,

[1:12:35] not under the department, okay?

[1:12:38] Is it historical society a 501-C3?

[1:12:44] It's not what

[1:13:14] we did with the child welfare

[1:13:20] movement.

[1:13:21] Yeah, we're in the process of getting that down here.

[1:13:37] Is there any more discussion?

[1:13:40] Since this is in precinct too,

[1:13:42] I believe that we accept the donation,

[1:13:44] real property described as 1.229 acres,

[1:13:49] or less out of the Dares, Greg, Survey,

[1:13:51] abstract number 21, Rams County, Texas.

[1:13:54] We

[1:13:59] have a motion to accept the donation of real property as described in agenda item number 15.

[1:14:06] Is there any further comments or considerations at this time?

[1:14:13] If not, all of those in favor say aye.

[1:14:16] Any opposed?

[1:14:18] Thank you.

[1:14:20] Are you going to do the next presentation?

[1:14:22] Yes, ma'am.

[1:14:23] Item number 16, discuss and take action to have the World War I monument relocated from the historic Anderson Park to the Justice Center.

[1:14:37] This project was started with William Peeler. He did speak with the daughters of the Republic about moving this monument.

[1:14:47] There is a pad already located outside our new justice center by the flag poles where this monument was meant to be relocated

[1:14:55] and we're now just getting to the act of moving.

[1:15:01] The act of seeking a approval, sorry.

[1:15:09] We do have a bid. Thought Mr. Floyd was going to be here to help me with that, but I got whatever

[1:15:16] people that he had. Syntex monuments, they specialize in moving historical monuments. They provided us with a

[1:15:30] from the Anderson Park where it is now

[1:15:33] to the pad outside where the flags are.

[1:15:37] Can you give us why I've heard from the public

[1:15:45] as to why we would be moving a monument over to the courthouse,

[1:15:52] which is, you know, as we've just discussed,

[1:15:56] all of it is considered the citizens

[1:15:58] since the Grams County's Properties.

[1:16:01] We have a historic park where I understand or I've read that in 2017, they work for two years

[1:16:10] to have the monument placed in the historic Anderson Park.

[1:16:15] And it is a park that's well visited and everything is at one location.

[1:16:21] We've even seen budgetary items come before the court, from his waters, presented from

[1:16:29] his waters, on enhancements that they are seeking for us to do such as the restaurants

[1:16:36] and the revitalization of some of the structures there, the moving of some of the structures

[1:16:42] there in order to make it a more appealing to visitors and to the citizens of Grimes County

[1:16:52] to visit and to have events. So I have a concern and this is why this is being brought

[1:17:02] to court because we did hear about it through the budgetary process and that's why I guess

[1:17:09] I was the one that asked that we put on the agenda is because the court didn't have knowledge

[1:17:17] that it was being moved here.

[1:17:20] So my concern is when we start accepting donations to be our moving monuments to be placed

[1:17:29] on the county courthouse,

[1:17:34] how many other people are we going to have to then treat fairly

[1:17:39] and move their monuments, or if they asked those type quotes.

[1:17:44] I'm just venting my concern.

[1:17:46] I'm not really asking you to answer that.

[1:17:50] But if it was a recent placement over there,

[1:17:54] and they worked so hard to get it placed,

[1:17:57] and I've read the article and saw the presentation,

[1:18:00] and it's a beautiful statute, it's for World War I.

[1:18:05] But we know that there have been down through the years

[1:18:09] if and for those that don't know, we've had some other monuments

[1:18:14] that were asked to be moved to Grimes County Courthouse Grounds

[1:18:19] and it was met with controversy.

[1:18:23] So that's my concern is if we accept this one being placed

[1:18:29] on the courthouse grounds. How many more do we might? And I'm talking to the Commission's

[1:18:36] Court. How many more would we have to accept that might want to move their monuments

[1:18:44] here? You know, that's a consideration. I'm going to ask Mr. Fultz, you talk about it all

[1:18:51] time about considering other requests that may come before a commission's court once we take

[1:18:59] an action.

[1:19:02] So being fair, if I could real quick, the daughters did not approach us about

[1:19:09] moving this monument. Accounting employee approached them about moving this monument.

[1:19:15] And had was designed for this monument, and was put in with the building, the pouring of this building.

[1:19:23] And see, that's, that's where Ian, we're at a, we were not approached as a court to consider that.

[1:19:32] And this, this is something that should have come before the body.

[1:19:37] Okay, and that's, that's where we are today that the court, as a whole,

[1:19:43] who is charged with the fuditiary duty and the oversight of county properties should have been considered.

[1:19:53] It should have been approved from the court and the court didn't really have the knowledge of that being.

[1:20:00] It was brought up by the previous President of the Historical Commission. It was also your building manager. I was not aware that it was never brought to the court or anyone else in charge.

[1:20:19] So, how was the faster reason?

[1:20:21] So, you see the task or the challenge that we have is making sure that if we're the ones

[1:20:31] held responsible and making these choices and decisions that we may be made aware of it

[1:20:36] and we make the decision together and not have an employee make a decision for this court

[1:20:43] as to the facilities and the grounds of this court house.

[1:20:48] So, I see Ms. Lucy back there jumping and you just jumping?

[1:20:55] Okay, all right, you didn't have any comment.

[1:21:01] Well, at this, if it's just about the movement,

[1:21:07] let me, will you come to the podium, man?

[1:21:15] So, the original plan for the movement of the monument was included in the building plans.

[1:21:19] I believe it was discussed at the time when Mr. Peeler was both chairman and the maintenance director

[1:21:24] when we were doing discussions, and I may be incorrect on that.

[1:21:27] But the part plans, when we actually voted, when we were still at the old annex building,

[1:21:33] and we voted to bring in our grounds County Historical Commission, partner, and become a branch

[1:21:37] of the county, and be more involved with the county itself.

[1:21:40] The part plans were in discussion established to make it more user friendly.

[1:21:44] One of the discussions was the fact that the monument and the placement and the monument

[1:21:47] is not visible and does not meet the GCHC plans for the park itself, which was why it was

[1:21:53] to say hey, then let's move it or plan to relocate it to the justice center. So it meets the

[1:21:59] plans and the future plans that we have for the park itself to make it more user-friendly.

[1:22:05] And excuse me, I'm sorry I haven't battled on a cold all day. And to make it a little bit better

[1:22:09] for it when we have larger groups visit things like that. The plan park plan layout does not fit

[1:22:15] the monument being where it's located now. And it was brought up in discussion that the

[1:22:23] which is why we have been planning and are asking the court to consider the monument movement.

[1:22:29] I'm not sure if Mr. Peeler actually formally brought it up to the court.

[1:22:32] I was told that he did. You're saying definitely did not.

[1:22:36] So yeah, that's something of course we would have to consider.

[1:22:38] But one of the issues is that where the monument is located right now,

[1:22:41] it's not visible to the public like it used to be.

[1:22:44] And it's not within the GCHC plans for the park in the future.

[1:22:48] With relocating buildings, moving things around, making the park a little bit more ADA standard.

[1:22:53] meeting ADA guidelines and visit the guidelines to make it more user friendly.

[1:22:57] And Lucy, didn't thought of a start from the direction of the road on the right. Yes, we did vote on that as an approval.

[1:23:04] And the DAR did as well. Yes.

[1:23:06] I do remember a discussion on the thing, and I've had several discussions with Al, about moving it

[1:23:14] when this, the, that farm did not get poured with the building.

[1:23:19] And I discussed getting somebody to do that before he left.

[1:23:23] And I believe it was brought up in previous, we do, and Kurt's meal a day, if I'm wrong.

[1:23:29] Usually we do a beginning of the year or end of the year review with the court, and I believe last January it was brought up during that session with the court, but I would again have to look at minutes.

[1:23:39] When we were in the budget hearing, I did ask the question, did I miss the discussion?

[1:23:44] Yes, sir.

[1:23:45] And I was told there was no discussion.

[1:23:48] Okay, so I asked that question.

[1:23:51] Come on, Mr. Cox, I think you had to come here.

[1:23:54] I've got a couple of issues with this.

[1:23:57] To my knowledge, there was no discussion about moving this monument.

[1:24:00] And to me, it's less about moving the monument

[1:24:02] and more about circumventing the authority of the court.

[1:24:06] I understand the historical commission may have voted on it,

[1:24:08] but that's not a formal action of this court.

[1:24:12] And correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Turner.

[1:24:15] But the commissioner's court as a whole has the authority over the

[1:24:19] control and facilities in the county, and in order to move that monument, it would have

[1:24:26] had to come before commissioner's court and be approved for that task.

[1:24:34] The pedestal or

[1:24:35] concrete was not in the building plans. That was an afterthought, just as Commissioner

[1:24:49] It was just a certain mention of the court.

[1:24:54] So this is brought to light, one of the issues that we have an issue.

[1:25:00] And that we don't, I couldn't find, and maybe the court can help me here. I couldn't find a policy in the county that pertain to monuments, flags, or any other type of momentum to be located on the county properties.

[1:25:19] If I may ask, how do we justify the money itself, the original process?

[1:25:26] It's along the same guidelines, sir.

[1:25:28] What monuments are you talking about?

[1:25:29] I believe we have two monuments all correct me or from them.

[1:25:33] Within the white barricade wall area of the court house, I'm using incorrect

[1:25:38] Verbedger.

[1:25:39] But I believe those were brought to commission's court as to be developed and placed

[1:25:43] at the court house themselves, correct?

[1:25:45] And those are considered monuments.

[1:25:46] But that would have been the proper process to bring it before a commission's court. This

[1:25:50] is not.

[1:25:51] I mean, I think I have a question on if we have proper process. So we, as a group, we

[1:25:55] have to vote, hey, these are located on county property, which is a property that we

[1:26:00] help facilitate work with at wrong-verbage again. But so as a group, he said, hey, we

[1:26:04] would like to vote two movesy things. We're asking the court, can we move it here? So maybe

[1:26:09] we're asking in the wrong terms. But I think we're still having to ask of, can we relocate

[1:26:15] monument here versus saying hey we voted we're moving it we're just bringing it to

[1:26:18] the attention to get the thumbs up no we're saying could we move it here no that's

[1:26:21] how it was presented in the budget process that it was moving here and it was

[1:26:25] not ever voted on in the court and that's the issue that we're having today and

[1:26:29] why it's on the agenda clarify that issue but I think your question of if we

[1:26:35] move and relocate and definitely not arguing is your commissioner I think the

[1:26:38] question is why have an issue if we relocate monuments here but we already have

[1:26:42] on its own county on property, the courthouse in question.

[1:26:47] A pretty one.

[1:26:49] So I mean, the question.

[1:26:50] So then I think we go back to this issue.

[1:26:52] Can we then, therefore, ask for this monument to be moved here?

[1:26:56] If the commission made the error, which we can discuss with the executive board, say,

[1:26:59] hey, we don't want to ask the commission to vote on something unless we've got the approval

[1:27:03] from commissioners court.

[1:27:05] So the GCHC group itself, then they just basically did it the wrong way.

[1:27:09] They should have gone to commissioners court.

[1:27:10] First of, hey, can we do this?

[1:27:12] Commissioner Scorts says yes.

[1:27:14] Then we go back to our group and say, hey,

[1:27:15] Commissioner Scorts said we could this.

[1:27:17] Do you guys want to do it?

[1:27:18] I mean, if that's what we need to do.

[1:27:20] Yes. So I think maybe if we get the approval from the court today,

[1:27:23] then we go back to our meeting.

[1:27:25] Is that how you would like us to do it?

[1:27:26] Well, the budget request was a request for that to be moved in the budget.

[1:27:30] Is that correct?

[1:27:31] I don't think it was ever requested.

[1:27:34] They said they had the money and that the foundation had been poured on it.

[1:27:40] Is that kind of come from the money and the historical commission funds, Jesse?

[1:27:48] It's not being paid.

[1:27:49] So as money does technically budget before already?

[1:27:54] Well, my consideration in the matter was twofold for me.

[1:28:00] It was the court was not aware that the monument was being moved here as a court.

[1:28:09] the other issue for me, I can't speak to anybody else, okay?

[1:28:15] I don't know what court, I don't know if anything previously was about, you talk about monuments

[1:28:22] that were over at the other courthouse, but we have had a history of a controversial history

[1:28:33] of monuments being placed on courthouse grounds.

[1:28:39] Now, I don't know who got approval, who gave approval

[1:28:43] in the past for what is currently there.

[1:28:46] The issue is this, we are now on these grounds.

[1:28:50] Okay, I can't speak to what happened over so much over there.

[1:28:56] But here, this was my first time hearing about it

[1:29:01] was in the budget process.

[1:29:06] So, I don't, the concern I have is how many more now,

[1:29:11] if we allow this monument to be placed on these grounds,

[1:29:16] how many more monuments we want to move to the grounds.

[1:29:21] I mean, we could have some entity that's not the historical society

[1:29:25] that wants to place the monument on the grounds.

[1:29:29] We could have, you know, then we face these challenges in the future of allowing monuments

[1:29:37] to be placed on the ground, which is where I was going to ask our county attorney to

[1:29:42] remind us of being fair and consistent with our citizens.

[1:31:00] Therefore, what

[1:31:03] we're not merely saying, hey, this monument is located at one location that is owned and operated by grounds county and moving it to another location.

[1:31:11] If you have other groups that come in that say PTO, this is I want to establish a kids safety monument at the Justice Center.

[1:31:19] That's not a county owned, that's not a branch of a county government, that's not a county owned property, that's established already owned county property.

[1:31:27] That might be a little bit of apples and oranges comparison because this is a monument that we already own purely my opinion commissioner

[1:31:34] And I'm just a peon, but I mean that is something that might be considered too seeing as this is already established on property that we as county and local government own

[1:31:42] Operate and control which the monument is ours as a county and just wanted to bring that out just

[1:31:47] But that property is designated for that specific purpose. This is not a property that's designated

[1:31:53] for monuments at this point. We don't have a policy that dictates what

[1:31:59] monuments, which ones are not appropriate, which ones are we going to turn away?

[1:32:03] You mentioned the PTO while we may not be fairly considered to put a

[1:32:07] monument up there. That's why we have the commission's court to make those

[1:32:14] decisions but without policy and direction that we determine.

[1:32:22] It's a it's a it's a

[1:32:23] this is here and this is a money that's tied to veterans.

[1:32:26] Absolutely.

[1:32:27] But we get an American flag and it takes us flag.

[1:32:30] It also was an honor of both.

[1:32:31] I agree with you.

[1:32:34] Okay.

[1:32:34] I'd like to make one comment if I may.

[1:32:36] I think the main purpose of moving the monument was to protect it because where it's at now,

[1:32:44] it's highly visible, which is a good thing.

[1:32:46] But that area, as you mentioned, is used by a lot of groups and a lot of people and it would

[1:32:52] be better protected over here so that it wouldn't be damaged so it wouldn't be

[1:32:56] vandalized because we know there's a lot of vandalism going on with monuments in

[1:33:02] this country that right now and I think this was a way to protect it and keep

[1:33:08] it safe.

[1:33:10] So what about the other monuments that are over there?

[1:33:13] You're talking about the monuments at the courthouse?

[1:33:15] I'm talking about the monuments where this one's a locality.

[1:33:17] Are we going to move those over here?

[1:33:19] There's a bridge in there?

[1:33:21] That's commemorative of what?

[1:33:22] It's not a historical monument, it's not one issue by the text of historical commission.

[1:33:31] That's not what I understand, I couldn't give you the history on it, but that's not the way it was explained to me.

[1:33:36] That's why it's on the historical commission's property.

[1:33:39] I wouldn't call it a monument, but there's a marker there, but it's not a historical marker.

[1:33:43] And didn't there a log cabin there as well, it's historical?

[1:33:47] There is, and there is a historical marker on the cabinet itself.

[1:33:51] But I think realistically we are not asking to move something of that nature

[1:33:55] and that quantity and size to the justice center.

[1:33:58] So again, apples and oranges are, I mean I think.

[1:34:01] It's not apples and oranges, it's about the intent.

[1:34:04] She mentioned potential damage to county property

[1:34:07] and the reason for moving it.

[1:34:10] But realistically we do face the risk of potential damage to log cabins or the general

[1:34:16] store and things like that.

[1:34:17] There is no realistic way to move that here for further protection.

[1:34:20] Which is why we're saying let's look at problems that we can conquer, which is we may

[1:34:25] be moving those buildings around the part two, make them more visible to make them

[1:34:28] more protected.

[1:34:29] We can't move them to the parking lot of the justice center.

[1:34:33] But we can't move that monument, which we'll have a camera on it when it's over here.

[1:34:37] And I can't believe we sat in here arguing about moving a monument to our veterans on the County

[1:34:45] Court House.

[1:34:45] This is ridiculous.

[1:34:47] You don't have anything to do with the veterans commissioner.

[1:34:49] You make the decision outside of the purview of this court to go ahead and tell them they

[1:34:53] can move it.

[1:34:55] You didn't come to the court and advised us that you were having that decision.

[1:34:59] I'm a worker.

[1:35:00] Where are the conversations that would be monument was going to be moved? I didn't bring it before

[1:35:05] the court. But we can take these on the case by case basis. Are you all saying that you

[1:35:10] don't want to move monument over here or the veterans of World War I?

[1:35:16] No, absolutely not. And I've already stated that. It's less about the monument, more about the process.

[1:35:21] Well, I'll remember discussions, and I'm pretty sure it was in court. And I don't know if it was an actual agenda item,

[1:35:28] per se but it was mixed in with some other stuff that was discussed. I do remember a discussion

[1:35:33] but I don't remember the details of it or exact process of we're going to approve it.

[1:35:41] I think it was an idea at the time but it wasn't a, hey, we're going to move it. I think it was going

[1:35:45] to be more information about the time caused everything else at later date.

[1:35:52] So being said, I move that we go ahead and move the, allow the,

[1:35:59] let me just take this correctly.

[1:36:02] I move that we take action to have the World War I monument relocated to the historic from the from the historical park to the Justice Center.

[1:36:10] Second.

[1:36:12] All right.

[1:36:13] We have a motion to move the World War I monument relocated from the historic and the support to the Justice Center.

[1:36:21] Is there any more discussion on the man?

[1:36:23] I do have, is it my understanding that the court's position is going to be from this point forward

[1:36:29] that we take up each individual request to relocate or locate any type of monument flag, any other

[1:36:42] addition to these facilities on a case by case basis? Is that the way we're doing it?

[1:36:47] Yes, and you can reject any one of them. Absolutely. I don't think there have been any

[1:36:51] recourse to how you got to put that on there. I don't see that one added to my motion,

[1:36:59] but I mean you can reject any one of this presented. We have my motion presented.

[1:37:06] All right, then we have in any more consideration. I just want to make sure it says that in the

[1:37:13] future we handle this in proper way and the court needs to be involved in the detailed

[1:37:19] discussion about it. Like I said, I do recall discussion, but there was no formal agenda

[1:37:25] I don't discuss it because I think they didn't have the cost, they didn't have exact

[1:37:31] location at the time, but it was in a, I don't remember exactly when it was, but there

[1:37:36] was a discussion. Well, it didn't follow formal approval. So we have a motion on the floor.

[1:37:47] We've been discussed, there is no further motion, all of those in favor say I.

[1:37:55] Any opposed?

[1:37:57] I am.

[1:38:00] All right.

[1:38:00] Thank you.

[1:38:01] Yes, ma'am.

[1:38:01] Thank you for letting me interrupt.

[1:38:03] Thank you very much.

[1:38:04] So we have Ms. Persinski.

[1:38:06] We have three eyes and one knee.

[1:38:18] Okay.

[1:38:18] We are now up to item number 17.

[1:38:21] Consideration and possible approval to adopt fee revisions in the sub division.

[1:38:26] rules relating to replats, plan review, and construction inspections. Mr. Harry Walker,

[1:38:33] wrote in Bridge, engineer, Mr. Harry, we've been advised to speak into the mic directly

[1:38:38] so that this can be recorded.

[1:38:41] We need to call our mic.

[1:38:42] We do.

[1:38:46] I'm presented a package of proposed bead adjustments on our first submission rules.

[1:38:54] I gave you a color handout,

[1:39:00] red and yellow are the proposed revisions, and I go them quickly.

[1:39:06] The first item are Re-plat fees currently, or $350.

[1:39:12] Basically, the $350 is only covering our advertising costs for Re-plat, so what I'm proposing to do is charge to the $350.

[1:39:25] plus the normal plighting fee based on the acreage of the property, which starts at $200.

[1:39:34] So a re-plat would be a minimum fee of $550.

[1:39:39] And we go up based on the size of the re-plat so that recovering the advertising costs.

[1:39:44] Plus the time and expansion would be in the re-plat.

[1:39:48] And I see where you noted that the fees had been revised in March, March 28, 2018.

[1:40:00] So, we did. We just added the separate Replant fee in 2018. Prior to that, I believe the 70th is an coordinator for this collecting, just a normal flat fee, which would need to cover the cost of the advertising.

[1:40:18] So we know we see a lot of collection.

[1:40:21] We're just barely doing the advertising for a replay.

[1:40:26] It's going to take for three times.

[1:40:29] It costs us right at $300 for that advertising.

[1:40:37] $97.50 for the standard ad.

[1:40:39] It's less than a half an avid fee, 250, so you can $5, and rings one of the ads up to $102,

[1:40:52] so you're just under $300, just for the advertising, and so you're placing collecting $50

[1:41:00] for the entire regime process.

[1:41:05] This would basically change that, and bring it in line, I believe, with other counties

[1:41:11] as well.

[1:41:15] The next part, I'm requesting that we add plan review fees to our subversion rules.

[1:41:27] If you submit a 10 acre flat for review, it's just lots of funding on it, just in county road,

[1:41:36] which are $200 for that review.

[1:41:39] If you submit the same 10 acre flat, it includes a new street drainage construction,

[1:41:51] a load construction.

[1:41:52] You even know we're having to do plan review as well as plight review to me that doesn't make good sense.

[1:42:00] I think except the vision requires straight improvement plans.

[1:42:07] Should pay a higher fee than one that does not and then cover the cost of that plan review.

[1:42:13] What I was basically proposed there is a schedule similar to the flat fees, a plan review based

[1:42:22] on the acreage involved in the flat, which is kind of keep things simple.

[1:42:30] So those are the two main items, and then if you flick over to the back page, if you hand

[1:42:35] out

[1:42:39] on the inspection review, the current language is sort of basically says the developer will

[1:42:48] I encourage the costs of all inspections.

[1:42:52] I wanted to go ahead and establish a minimum cost for those inspections.

[1:42:58] And then there's a companion section in the section H that specifies what those minimum inspections are going to be.

[1:43:09] approval in the sub-grade, paid replacement, the final inspection on the sub-resolution

[1:43:16] construction in then our annual inspections during the maintenance period before the

[1:43:22] sub-resolution.

[1:43:24] And we'll propose in the fee of just $100 per trip for that.

[1:43:31] Okay.

[1:43:32] I've heard some recent concerns to about the growth of Graham's county and what we're already

[1:43:39] and how it is impacting our budget for a lot of these inspections and how often you have to go out.

[1:43:50] And so we have some major subdivisions that are currently in the works.

[1:43:59] And so we're having to manage how we manage what we do on our side.

[1:44:06] So can you speak to some of those we're seeing?

[1:44:11] Because I think one of them is pretty large.

[1:44:15] There are several large subdivisions that are in the planning stages right now within the county.

[1:44:25] A couple of them that I'm aware of are in excess of a thousand acres in the development.

[1:44:32] Another one that's 500 new subway crews and several that are involved in the 200 acre range.

[1:44:41] These are just for comparison purposes. The new yearwood subdivision on the highway 30 subdivision.

[1:44:50] Recently, again, selling box at 78. So these are larger developments here in the lab.

[1:45:00] Again, none of them have completed their due diligence process and submitted plans and plans yet.

[1:45:10] We believe that at least some of them will come to fruition in the near future.

[1:45:16] And is the seat or still in that stage, Johnson?

[1:45:19] That's one of those. That's not 1,100 acre proposed subdivision. They have come in and met with us.

[1:45:26] I'm aware that they went and met with counter planners, but we did a development of that size.

[1:45:34] The fires are a lot of background work, a lot of preparations.

[1:45:38] They have not come forward.

[1:45:41] Can it come for plants or middle or a plant or anything at this time?

[1:45:46] But they are sure working on it to my knowledge.

[1:45:50] Is Crown Oaks that the portion that's coming into

[1:45:55] Grimes County, do we control any of that inspection?

[1:46:05] There's a portion of that that's in Grimes County,

[1:46:08] those are private streets.

[1:46:11] They own more property.

[1:46:13] They have not plated in new sections in several years and the last conversation I had with the developers.

[1:46:23] They want certain that they were going to do in more development in ground accounting and foreseeable futures.

[1:46:30] I think they've got some financial management issues and I've solved their development.

[1:46:37] There's another large development down proposed development, North of Todd Mission, which

[1:46:46] partially primarily in Montgomery County, which partially in Montgomery County, also.

[1:46:53] They have been dealing with the town of Todd Mission.

[1:46:57] They have a development agreement within their E.T.J., so a lot of that will fall on them.

[1:47:06] which that is going to turn around the fallback on us because we do their inspection

[1:47:11] to play with these officers.

[1:47:14] And I knew there was a lot of growth in the south and I didn't even...

[1:47:17] Ground Ranch plans a couple of years ago was to develop or south of where their main

[1:47:26] focus is off of 1486.

[1:47:29] At that time they had put in a mud district, it's been several years ago and they were planning

[1:47:34] own putting in 1,500 houses in their own small lots, not acreage, but like Mr. Terry said,

[1:47:44] they've had some management issues and I haven't heard anything from them recently about

[1:47:51] any development.

[1:47:51] They do have property that comes all the way out to 1774, or after kind of beside here at

[1:48:04] And there is a thoroughfare that we approved with Montgomery County on the six years ago,

[1:48:13] five or six years ago, that goes over to 1486.

[1:48:18] That was put in there as part of the deal of 249 coming through there.

[1:48:25] So that's still going forward.

[1:48:27] Well, at some point in time, it might happen.

[1:48:31] So I'm going to not happen.

[1:48:33] I've got a question about these fees, I mean wouldn't it be more advantageous for us maybe to hold off a little bit until we get the opportunity to rewrite some of our subdivision rags to determine whether we need these or maybe when I eliminate some of them or add new ones?

[1:48:49] I don't feel like any revisions we would make to the subdivision rigs would affect these fees, particularly.

[1:49:00] Again, we're trying to cover the current expenses for the development we have in front of us.

[1:49:08] As we go through and perhaps make some more substantive changes to the subdivisions we may want to revisit the fees.

[1:49:17] But, again, particularly like on the re-plats and the climate abuse, or essentially we're losing money.

[1:49:25] Yeah, what we're doing today.

[1:49:27] I don't think that's a good management to continue that.

[1:49:30] I would prefer to go ahead and plug that whole amount.

[1:49:34] As we rewrite the rest of the subdivision rules, if we need to come back to revisit the fees we can do so at that time.

[1:49:45] Is there any urgency to rewrite these?

[1:49:50] I mean, we probably need to get on that pretty quick.

[1:49:53] I mean, we're having, I mean, there's been a lot of discussion about

[1:49:57] a potential growth.

[1:49:59] So...

[1:50:00] I wouldn't say urgency. I think it would be wanted to go ahead and have this opportunity to

[1:50:06] was brought up today fairly quickly, and that is, I might have to do this, has been for a while,

[1:50:15] I admit that in the face of the increased development or anything, I think it's more important

[1:50:24] that we've been in the subdivision rules, the line of current practices.

[1:50:30] And these rules would be added to the current wrecks that we have.

[1:50:38] And the ladies asked a question about the signatures.

[1:50:43] Didn't you have a concern?

[1:50:47] And the county attorney's here.

[1:50:49] So,

[1:51:07] was, do we need a new signature page with these new revisions?

[1:51:14] Or do we just keep updating it with the same?

[1:51:27] Okay, so we can just keep it and do the revisions as this.

[1:51:43] All right, thank you.

[1:51:45] Do you have any since you have the floor now, do you have any concerns?

[1:51:49] I know, I think you worked a lot with the subdivision rigs, didn't you?

[1:52:31] Especially with the cost of gas going up to do the inspections and stuff.

[1:52:36] And the time involved in it, definitely.

[1:52:40] for our office, it's a large part of it.

[1:52:43] It is just the volume of this type of work we're having to do.

[1:52:50] If you lose in a few dollars, once a while, I'm doing a re-plat.

[1:52:54] That's one thing.

[1:52:55] And you're having a significant volume of it.

[1:52:58] You've got to stop that.

[1:53:05] Is there any other discussions?

[1:53:08] I'm moved to approve the adoption of the fee revisions provided,

[1:53:13] including replant fees, plant-worthy fees, and inspection and review fees, as presented.

[1:53:21] Take it.

[1:53:25] We have a motion to approve item number 17.

[1:53:29] Is there any other comments or consideration?

[1:53:34] If not, all of those in favor say aye.

[1:53:39] Okay.

[1:53:40] Mr. Harry, I know you have another item on,

[1:53:43] But it was brought to my attention that Mr. Lily needed to leave and I'm sorry, Mr. Lily

[1:53:51] Can we just do burn ban right quick before

[1:53:54] So that he can go where he needs to go. Just like put the burn ban on will be done. Okay. Here he comes

[1:54:01] He's gonna say that

[1:54:09] Yes, the item on the agenda for the burn ban. Oh, I did check with all of the fire chiefs and

[1:54:15] They all unanimously agreed that they felt that it was probably prudent to have one put

[1:54:21] in place.

[1:54:22] Some boys concerns about the increase in the runs that always results from when burn

[1:54:27] vans are putting put in place.

[1:54:30] But I'm of the opinion, and I've always said this, that I believe the vast majority of citizens

[1:54:36] when you put any kind of law or rule in place that they do follow it.

[1:54:42] I believe that, again, the majority of citizens will follow and abide by the birdband.

[1:54:48] It's just a small minority that tend to ignore it.

[1:54:51] We do need to look at ways to be able to try and enforce it more effectively.

[1:54:55] But I do feel I agree with the fire chiefs that I think it is prudent at this time.

[1:55:00] We consider putting a ban in place. And we are on item number 20 to take action regarding the burn ban, and to authorize the county

[1:55:09] judge as signatory. Do I hear a motion?

[1:55:15] Move to the implement the burn ban.

[1:55:18] That's second.

[1:55:20] Oh, hi.

[1:55:21] I'm sure there's

[1:55:28] somebody here.

[1:55:28] Okay, yeah, he will need that right away. That's why you needed to go and go ahead and put out the sign.

[1:55:34] So, would you like to amend your amendment motion to provide poor commission of water signature?

[1:55:43] Are you going to agree with that?

[1:55:46] Oh, I'm going to make second. Yes, I'm agreeing with that.

[1:55:50] All right. So, all of those, all of those in favor say aye.

[1:55:58] In your pose.

[1:56:00] All right. Thank you. I'm sorry.

[1:56:02] Not a problem. Thank you.

[1:56:04] All right. We're back at item number 18.

[1:56:09] Consideration and possible ratification of a special road.

[1:56:12] Used for me for

[1:56:14] Minarch Rail on County Road 162 and

[1:56:18] County Road 164.

[1:56:20] In precinct one.

[1:56:22] Yes, ma'am.

[1:56:28] Week before last.

[1:56:30] The end of the week.

[1:56:32] The supervisor in the north end.

[1:56:34] discovered a contractor working, removing the rail and trackage along the rail line that comes

[1:56:42] into the TMPA property from the north. They had been working inside the plant property for

[1:56:50] a while, but they are now outside the property and working along kind of around 164. They had

[1:56:58] not come and request to the permit and they were not aware of currently that they needed

[1:57:06] because they were on site and working actively.

[1:57:11] I approached the judge and asked if he would go ahead

[1:57:14] and sign a permit for them at that time.

[1:57:17] I agreed to do that, so they could continue to work

[1:57:21] for a procedure and bring it to you for application of that action.

[1:57:27] There you are, fortunately,

[1:57:30] most of the work is on Canada of 164,

[1:57:33] which was the old rail alignment, and it's a very solid road, they are not very dynamic.

[1:57:42] Being very dry right now, that helps students.

[1:57:44] It hasn't caused any issues, issuing the permit gets them on the hood with their insurance,

[1:57:52] and provides all the contact information everything will be able to backtrack with if they do cause damage.

[1:58:07] But what part of 162 is that on, because it's just their access from 244 to 244 to 244 to 244 to do their work?

[1:58:17] Because that's all about six dump trucks on the 162 near the river.

[1:58:22] I don't know if that was part of that.

[1:58:28] Okay, for the rail itself, I think the rail itself, I think the rail itself and the rock or something.

[1:58:34] They have not started removing the shock and I'm not certain that that's part of their plane and somebody else in there.

[1:58:40] Very possible.

[1:58:41] Because it was multiple different countries.

[1:58:43] We wanted to justify their access to 164 wood.

[1:58:48] We offer 244, try that, you have an envelope all the way up to 39, and we've had issues

[1:58:56] and the folks along 164 at night ended up suffered through this older project.

[1:59:02] They don't need another big construction project.

[1:59:05] I might have left that road.

[1:59:09] Mr. Smith.

[1:59:12] This is in your presence.

[1:59:13] Yes, yes.

[1:59:14] I'm moved to approve our ratification of a special road use permit

[1:59:19] for monarchs, rail, kind of road 162 and 164.

[1:59:24] Second.

[1:59:26] All right.

[1:59:27] We have a motion to approve the ratification of the special road

[1:59:30] used for monarchs.

[1:59:34] Is there any more comments or consideration?

[1:59:39] If not, all of those in favor say aye.

[1:59:43] Any opposed?

[1:59:45] Thank you.

[1:59:46] We are now up to 19 consider and take action to approve the proposed

[1:59:54] Architecture, ARPA, expenditures.

[2:00:00] Mr. Auditor, do we have anything that we need to approve today or take action? All right.

[2:00:09] We would then move on to item number 21, receive any updates on the strategic plan.

[2:00:15] Are there any updates?

[2:00:19] I would like to say we do have a meeting.

[2:00:22] There's the evening at 6 p.m., and it is for the Grimes County Hazard Mitigation Plan.

[2:00:31] This is a public meeting. This is all a part of our strategic plan.

[2:00:37] So, it is here. It has been moved to here. It was originally at the Navisodes Center, but it is here.

[2:00:45] at 6 p.m. Thursday the 16th, and we are asked in the public to participate in that discussion.

[2:00:54] So if there are no further updates, we'll move on to item number 22.

[2:01:00] Do I hear a motion to adjourn?

[2:01:03] Okay.

[2:01:05] All right.

[2:01:07] Is there any consideration we need to take it this time?

[2:01:12] All right. All of those in favor say aye?

[2:01:14] Alright, I'm in a pose.

[2:01:17] Alright, thank you.

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