[0:00] Staff, the staff, and they still send stuff to Mike Arnold once a while. The state's not very organized. So is this a monthly bill now? It's an annual payment. So it's 22,000 a year.

[0:28] Well, that's a show up, yeah, he's over at Tatiana on his meeting, he said where's

[0:32] Tatiana on the meet?

[0:33] Town Hall.

[0:34] Okay.

[0:35] Down that way.

[0:36] Down that way.

[0:37] So Brent, Dem, Ray, thank

[0:45] you for coming,

[0:49] and then I'll be here and Wendy, okay,

[0:57] the

[0:57] to breathe, look at last month's meetings.

[0:59] I read through the meetings minutes.

[1:01] It looked right.

[1:02] I propose we accept them.

[1:04] OK.

[1:04] I'll second out the motion.

[1:09] So then we've got the operators update later,

[1:13] but Brent and Job, Description, and Flocharts.

[1:17] Should we get jumping to that?

[1:18] Yeah.

[1:18] OK.

[1:19] Thank you.

[1:20] If you need to send this.

[1:23] Thank you.

[1:24] So what I thought we'd do is, I mean, you guys

[1:26] were talking about the elections and I thought,

[1:28] We've been talking about just, every,

[1:31] I used to board member was assigned to a specific thing,

[1:33] then we don't have to all do everything.

[1:35] So I gave you, did you get that right there, right?

[1:38] I made a kind of a flowchar,

[1:40] and then Wendy sent me the operator,

[1:43] job description, and the clerk's duties.

[1:46] And then I was just trying to say,

[1:48] now I just did this on a new program

[1:50] that's sort of been easier, and I'm just not that smart.

[1:53] That was hard to do, because I went in there

[1:56] And it's like, yeah, just use this. It's really easy, although no boxes are the wrong size.

[2:03] It's not as pretty as it could be.

[2:05] Yeah, but anyway.

[2:07] But so this is a rough draft and I want to, I'm listening to everybody's ideas.

[2:14] And I would think it would be better to have DAX here to talk about

[2:18] separation of duties between clerk and the operator.

[2:20] The clerk's on a salary and the operator's hourly.

[2:23] So, you wouldn't want to take on more money than you have to.

[2:29] So, if there's certain things that we want the operator to do, and then, again, as a general,

[2:34] I'm thinking, don't think of this as the chairman of the board.

[2:36] I've never put any names in there on purpose.

[2:38] I'm just saying this ought to be the general thing.

[2:41] Not Wendy, but any clerk.

[2:43] Not DAX, but any operator, and then not any of our names.

[2:46] Just any board member.

[2:47] So, when the new board member comes in, we can have something.

[2:50] Because when I first started, I go, we're all in charge of everything and yet none of us did anything.

[2:58] And we've come and it's like, they would say, okay, Wendy had gone to this one meeting and then branded on all this stuff and not one board member knew what they were going to.

[3:07] No board member attended any meetings, no board member even knew what, you know, what submissions we're doing, what funding we could do.

[3:15] So, these are my ideas, like one board member can be the Secretary Treasurer, and they

[3:20] ought to be in charge of maybe financial reports, perhaps going over and signing checks.

[3:27] We have two signatures now, so it has been Chairman of the Board and Secretary Treasurer,

[3:31] but it doesn't have to be Chairman.

[3:33] We just needed two people to sign.

[3:35] You were nervous to put in your social security number there, and nobody else would do it,

[3:39] so you did it.

[3:40] So, that's why, but it doesn't need to be Larry, probably could be somebody else.

[3:45] And at the time we had Cecil, and you're related, and then, you know, you'd had me read

[3:51] those, you know, look at the videos and sit and try not to do neptism.

[3:55] I'm thinking, you know, you've had probably more board experience than most of us, maybe

[3:59] not in Larry, but everybody else.

[4:01] So you can help us, this is a guideline.

[4:03] This isn't the way I think it should be.

[4:05] This is the way to start talking about it.

[4:07] So I'm thinking, as a flow, the chairman of the board in the past has really been organized

[4:13] meetings and do the meetings, chairman doesn't even vote, but he's the tiebreaker. So if

[4:18] everybody votes and it happens to be a tie, then the chairman votes.

[4:23] So I will correct one thing. It's actually five, including the chairman.

[4:28] Okay. David, can we have as many as we want, right? Five to seven.

[4:31] So we can, but we have to file stuff to be able to, that's one of the things we were talking

[4:36] about last month.

[4:37] How many do you want?

[4:37] Right. Right now we have five to show. That's what we're supposed to have.

[4:42] If we want to increase then we have to we don't even have file for that. Right. That's what I mean. So I'd just go five down because I thought that would be ideal. That's what's on our paper work right now. It's fine with the county.

[4:53] We have five.

[4:54] We're allowed five.

[4:55] Five voting board members.

[4:58] No, five, including the chairperson.

[5:00] Oh, so born one cross one out and put rules and procedures under government liaison or funding, you know.

[5:07] So if we can have four, that's fine, I don't know.

[5:11] I just want to make, that's what the, I found out.

[5:13] All right, county.

[5:14] Well, I wouldn't cross that out because it seems like if we can get a good solid board to have five,

[5:20] then you guys are always breaking the tie.

[5:23] I mean, if you have five, it can't be, you know.

[5:26] So we can't have more than five without presenting it and applying for what the county presented to the county.

[5:32] Is it going to decide this?

[5:33] I know it's how they did the original paperwork.

[5:38] We're allowed more, but we said we'd have five,

[5:42] so if we want more, we have to file something.

[5:44] The lady didn't know a whole lot about how to do it,

[5:46] but right now, we're allowed.

[5:47] And you would never get a look into that, right?

[5:49] The voting thing and the requirements.

[5:52] Did you look into it?

[5:53] What's your thoughts?

[5:54] Should we keep it with just five enough?

[5:56] Do you want to have six?

[5:56] I think.

[5:58] What's your library board do?

[6:01] We have five plus our clear five to set.

[6:07] Without that, not a lot bigger, right?

[6:11] Well, and it's all the douching.

[6:12] Welcome, right.

[6:13] So we have people from Vernal.

[6:15] Let's see.

[6:16] I'm not Vernal.

[6:17] Roosevelt.

[6:19] How's Vermont?

[6:20] Douching.

[6:21] Oh, we do Jenny.

[6:23] Jenny's from Douching right now.

[6:25] And then me.

[6:26] So one, two, three, four.

[6:29] I think we just have five, two, two, five.

[6:34] Well, we can keep it for five.

[6:36] Right now we have five.

[6:37] One, two, three, four, and then Timmy.

[6:39] We may need to replace Timmy.

[6:41] Well, he has to be replaced because he's not living here.

[6:44] Yeah.

[6:45] So he'll have to be replaced.

[6:47] God, we also found out some other stuff.

[6:49] Do you want to bring that up before we get any deeper?

[6:51] I, sadly, yes.

[6:56] So Wendy looks into a bunch of stuff

[6:58] as we were going through things, and so there's qualifications for board members that there has been stipulations on that we haven't, there's been some kind of gray area, because I've been going on word of mouth rather than digging into it.

[7:16] So when I went down and met with the county, she told me the stipulations, and it's all based on Utah code, and I kind of brought this up a little bit last month.

[7:26] But right now we're non-compliant on our board members, not just the election staff, but and this is an old paper I just printed out because it's just a guideline.

[7:39] This is from 2017 to 2018.

[7:43] No, I just brought it.

[7:45] But so you have to be a US citizen, you have to be a registered voter in the district and your primary residence has to be in the district.

[7:54] So right now we're out of compliance and I had them check on all the board members.

[7:59] We're not on compliance because you're not a registered voter.

[8:02] Okay, how do you register because you just have to go online or you can call the.

[8:06] I can't, uh, whatever police is, I, her type, I think you can do it online.

[8:14] Yeah, just Google Utah registered voter registration.

[8:18] Okay, so register voter.

[8:19] Yep. And then Larry, where this is not your primary residence, I have been told that you're supposed to resign and I have

[8:27] You're here more than anywhere, aren't you?

[8:30] Yeah, this is more.

[8:31] So it doesn't matter. It's based on what his tax notice says and I've done a lot of research.

[8:38] I've changed.

[8:39] So you have houses for sales and murder right now.

[8:42] So you're supposed to be a primary resident for two years before you can sit on any board.

[8:46] this is all Utah code and from what I was told and I talked to the county about it and I said okay is there you know

[8:54] to someone come in how do we do this and then I've talked to Utah Association of Special District I've

[8:59] talked to the state auditor I've asked if we could write exceptions into our bylaws and they've

[9:03] explained to me the only way around it is you can write exceptions into your bylaws but they have to be

[9:10] stricter than the Utah Code, not more lenient.

[9:15] And so I was told by all of these agencies that I've talked to, the same answer.

[9:20] So I've tried to research it as best as I can and find out as much as I can, but that's

[9:25] what I've told.

[9:26] I mean, it seems not that the clerk does this.

[9:29] It should be a board member.

[9:30] Well, we were working on it together.

[9:37] Yeah.

[9:38] I've been the chairman more than two years, so.

[9:41] Well, but he hasn't lived here more than two years.

[9:44] So, and I talked with Jeff Chug about it and he said he goes,

[9:47] we're not gonna do any sanctions or do anything against you,

[9:51] but you need to work toward compliance.

[9:53] That's the underlying thing.

[9:56] So next year when elections happen,

[9:59] you would not be approved because you wouldn't meet

[10:02] that two-year requirement.

[10:04] Well, then I'm on a registered voter so that I'm off to.

[10:06] So you would years can you think so you want to vote here because I've been voting in Colorado because I had to be

[10:13] Because I had an account

[10:15] Mirror want a farm that I had to be a Colorado resident so that so kind of similar stuff

[10:20] So I had to I had to have registration there or I couldn't

[10:24] Transport a lot a lot of times I'd go and do their books and then drop off things on the way home

[10:28] So no one else had to and to do that I had to have Colorado like

[10:32] So I did but I don't have to anymore because I resigned all that stuff

[10:36] Okay, so you could register to vote here and that is all that would take for you to be compliant you got to live here two years

[10:43] That's bottom line you this has to be your primary residence. So

[10:49] Technically next year and 27 when we would do the elections you would be gone

[10:53] But every Betty that Wendy has talked to has said it you should be gone

[10:58] There is of non-compliance. There is a

[11:03] exception if we have less than, I've done a lot of research to try and make sure we're

[11:08] doing the right thing and trying to find the exceptions.

[11:11] If we have less than 50% in the district, not in the Valley or Taviona or whatever, if

[11:19] within our district boundaries less than 50% are primary residents, then you can make an

[11:27] an exception comparable to the amount.

[11:31] So say 60% of them are second home type,

[11:35] then we could maybe have one board member be,

[11:38] but we are over 50% of primary residents.

[11:40] So I really flipped into as many things as I could find.

[11:45] And like the park board ran into this

[11:48] with the voter registration recently

[11:50] with one of their board members.

[11:52] So basically what we do is when someone declares

[11:54] there's that they want to be a candidate to sit on the board and I explain this last

[11:58] month too.

[11:59] They'll fill out a card saying that they wanted to declare their candidacy.

[12:04] That goes to the county, they approve it whether or not they're put on the ballot.

[12:09] So that's when they check into some of this stuff.

[12:11] So they would say, you can't go on the ballot unless you register as a voter by the deadline

[12:16] or whatever.

[12:18] Sure.

[12:18] Yours just isn't that easy.

[12:20] He'll fast, especially if he has to keep that Colorado.

[12:23] Yeah.

[12:24] Registration.

[12:25] And this is your primary residence.

[12:28] I only sell it.

[12:29] So they checked into, I had them check into everything.

[12:33] I explained Timmy's situation because his primary residency is still here, but where he

[12:38] doesn't live here, he can't sit on the board unless he's moved back here and living here.

[12:43] I asked him if there's a percentage wise, where if you spend 50% of your time here, the

[12:49] You talk code says it has to be your primary residents, okay?

[12:53] So, a lot of information to damage stuff to all of them.

[12:58] That's interesting, and I can't imagine you'd want to make this your primary residence.

[13:02] Probably not.

[13:04] I'm just tax guy too, and we've just talked some tax strategies, and I said you ought to be in the battle resident, because there's no income tax there.

[13:13] Well, I've been here for 14 years, seven, eight months a year.

[13:19] So it's based on the tax notice where it says secondary home versus primary residence.

[13:23] That's what they say.

[13:24] That's the determining factor.

[13:25] Not reality.

[13:28] In reality, my primary residence probably helped her.

[13:31] Didn't you sell your house in Hipper?

[13:33] No, I'm just writing that.

[13:35] But where your tax notice has primary residence, they checked into all of them when I was there.

[13:40] Okay, yeah, I did try to make a primary because the taxes are so high on that place

[13:44] I tried to make it my primary and make the other one my secondary and I think that's it's cheaper

[13:49] That's done because that's how they haven't filed with the care. Well, I live here always yeah, okay. Yeah

[13:56] Hey, just what it is. That's being complained and that's the I wish I'd written on the exact wording, but I talked when I talked to them

[14:04] They said it doesn't meet the statutory requirements for Utah code for board member

[14:18] Yeah, I didn't find, I read, I'll admit, I didn't read every word that you took, because

[14:23] it's like 25 pages for each and everything.

[14:26] But I was told it's a two years, two years of primary residence before you can be elected

[14:32] to Canada to be elected.

[14:34] That makes it different, because I mean, there's people moving into my neighborhood, there's

[14:39] two more people that moved in but they just moved in because I tried to find more

[14:42] board members. The guy that lives down on Giles Lane's fillbacks that he'd like to

[14:46] sit on the board and this was right after I'd had that meeting and I just

[14:49] told that so I might tell they live up here full time he came. Okay that's good

[14:54] because then when we're trying to recruit some members then we know what our

[14:58] parameters are.

[15:00] We also know for the voting now that it's going to be a two-year or four-year term. So when we get compliant with that, you'll, you will either be serving a two-year or four-year term. Yeah. To stagger the elections. Yeah. So we don't have all the work done every day. Yeah. Yeah. With the library hours there is you can serve two terms and then you're off for a year. And then if there is an opening, you can reapply. You're not guaranteed. Yeah.

[15:29] that you'll get back in.

[15:30] Here's how we only serve on board for so long.

[15:32] That's just how they do that.

[15:34] That's how the, and yeah, are, at the library board, it's a two, four-year term.

[15:40] Some people can serve longer if they come in and take somebody's partial term, then they

[15:46] get maybe that one or two or three years.

[15:48] That's, you guys had a problem without people trying to hang on.

[15:50] Right.

[15:50] We've had a problem trying to get people to come.

[15:53] I don't know if you guys, you've got to go.

[15:55] You kicked off.

[15:57] So I don't hope you guys remember last year or last month, so we have to have, so we have five board member openings total.

[16:06] So we have to assign it, so like seat one, seat two, seat three, and seat four.

[16:10] So we would say seat one is assigned to dev Evans, but it's seat one is a four year term, and we have to assign it to each one.

[16:19] So they want us to assign either two or three to a four year term or two or three to a two year term.

[16:23] So next year, all five seats will be up for an election, but they'll go on as either a four-year or two-year term so that they can then alternate that.

[16:30] And we have to do that.

[16:31] We have to do that.

[16:32] I've been on the board what?

[16:33] Three, four years?

[16:35] The first year I didn't know anything.

[16:37] I mean, it takes a couple years just to get your arms wrapped around it because I would love everybody to serve four.

[16:42] Because it seems like you're not even useful the first two.

[16:45] Like, Kim, great example.

[16:47] Kim, do anything.

[16:48] But you can re-elect.

[16:50] right to the point where we don't have to be useful.

[16:53] We don't have the same thing is different

[16:56] where there is a set term that you could be reelected

[17:00] again and do another two years.

[17:02] So you don't have to be done at the two-year for you part.

[17:05] You just have to go be at for election again.

[17:07] So you could go from a two-year to a-year.

[17:09] Can you do a two-year to year than you have to go?

[17:11] No, we don't have anything in our by-laws.

[17:14] That's something we need to consider.

[17:15] okay but you can like if we assigned seat one and like I said we put it as a

[17:22] four-year and that's the seat we assigned a dev then her name goes in there

[17:25] but it just means that see all we say all of them are forward we have to do

[17:28] some we have to stagger it so we don't have all five seats come at the same

[17:32] election anymore can we do three four years and two years yeah how are we

[17:37] want to do it I think your point about longevity is very valid so let's do so

[17:44] So let's try it for a four year, a four year.

[17:49] And then the treasure, chairperson, and those jobs are just assigned within the board.

[17:55] It's not anything to do with the election.

[17:58] Well, and we-

[17:59] What would you want in your chairman and your secretary of treasure on the same schedule?

[18:05] Well, because those are, you don't want to play for those at the same time.

[18:09] But again, we don't have a term limit.

[18:12] Right.

[18:12] So we could just keep doing it and then we'd hopefully we could say if you know, I plan on I'll stay for and then you sales

[18:21] State

[18:24] Just so we don't want to quit. You might have a harder time

[18:28] Talking people into signing up for four years. Yeah, really? I in my opinion

[18:33] Okay, but anybody can resign at any time. It's not like you're stuck in it

[18:38] in the middle of the term. So I did three years and then they asked do you want to stay

[18:45] do we put you in for another so I'm in the middle of my foot well next summer I'll

[18:49] be done with this with the second four-year term so then I'm done for a year until there's

[18:56] another opening if I want to go back. I have loved it but I have to go to Roosevelt and

[19:03] to do Shane, whereas here, it's my right-handed down the road.

[19:07] So that's one of the big, like I wanted to still be doing something and involved in my

[19:13] community and helping out.

[19:15] So I don't know that I'll go back to the library.

[19:17] If it's anybody can resign anytime, then who gets a shit about the election?

[19:21] It has to do with the elections.

[19:23] That's the only way.

[19:23] But that's the thing.

[19:25] Because you advertise and say like this, notice is here by given, two positions are at

[19:30] for election terms are for four years.

[19:32] So these two that came available this year,

[19:34] or we're up for election this year,

[19:36] we're both four year terms.

[19:37] So that's how you do it.

[19:38] So you don't have a full bill or turn over

[19:41] at the same time.

[19:42] That's kind of, because it's going to be,

[19:43] oh yeah, I'll sign up for this and like,

[19:44] oh, I don't really like it.

[19:45] I'm out.

[19:45] Somebody else doesn't have to be elected.

[19:47] They can just be appointed to come in.

[19:48] So that's the other thing.

[19:50] We've been appointed board members,

[19:51] same thing.

[19:51] I kind of touched on all of this last month

[19:53] because I'm still doing research.

[19:55] But you fill out a declaration of candidacy

[19:59] It has to follow these things that they're talking about, and then those are sent to the county.

[20:05] So even if we want to appoint board members, it's not that we can't, but it has to go through the county.

[20:13] So we're going to now, once we know what we're doing and assign these seat terms, and then who's sitting on those seats at this point.

[20:21] We need to each, whoever is on them will fill out that declaration of candidacy.

[20:26] They'll basically approve you that you can sit on a board, and then I will give them the information so

[20:32] that we're compliant right now just with who's here, and then our election comes up next year because the

[20:38] elections are on the odd years. So she said right now we have nothing in the decision.

[20:43] There's an election every two years.

[20:45] Yes, every two years.

[20:46] Okay, and how does that election go down? How do you, how do you elect?

[20:49] I honestly don't know the polling station for the most part, and that's the other thing.

[20:57] The positions that they're in is like, if you have five people that are interested,

[21:06] and we have three seats up, well then they actually put in a candidacy for each seat.

[21:13] So, and you can't just say, okay, there's three seats available for election, two of applied for, or declared for seat one, one for seat two and seat for, or three for one and one for the other ones, they can't just switch to another seat.

[21:28] They have to declare their candidacy for another seat. So, these seats.

[21:33] could be like unopposed for three of the seats and then two people are buying for seat five.

[21:38] Right. Yeah. How do we determine that? And if there's basically we would just manage it

[21:42] when we find out how many people are going to go. I want to go against gray. Take him down.

[21:49] You know, no. I can't even get people to serve without. I know. That's my point.

[21:56] We don't even have enough. I just compliance.

[21:59] But I also like coming in here. I have no idea how long it went and we've broken back

[22:08] You know, I don't know any of that and Larry's been fired now

[22:15] We'll give him a good reference

[22:17] You the ways out, but he's out when well, I mean, I'd be surprised to see him next month, but I

[22:25] Mean I'm good. This has been

[22:27] and both, did he have a query now or did he share that he can stay on to the election?

[22:35] Well, we do have all of you guys declare your candidacy and so that I can even enter you guys' board member for right now.

[22:42] I'm going to give him a comment.

[22:45] 14 up here.

[22:47] No, his primary residence is in Murray.

[22:49] This is considered a second.

[22:50] He's lived up here for 14 years but he didn't declare this as his prime.

[22:54] So on the on the tax records his primary house is a Murray and this is secondary house

[22:59] Even though he's lived here more than half the year here for the last 14 years. Oh you have to improve that

[23:05] A little bit the tax record. Yeah, it's exactly. So when we pay I have I've had Reynolds

[23:10] And I have my CPA go back and change him

[23:13] Unlist them with personal for tax records, but I had to pay that for money that I yeah

[23:29] I think a big part of it though was getting all the organization of how this should work.

[23:34] So we're compliant, but I mean, even just for election stuff to be compliant because

[23:39] then we can advertise and say we have positions open that you can be appointed to.

[23:43] You have to go through this protocol to be appointed and then they fill out a candidacy.

[23:48] We get them approved and then they can be appointed by the county. Well, as I was doing this, so I might as we'll say this because it's on my mind.

[23:54] You're the you're the board member for this. You're the board member for operations. You're the board member for funding.

[23:59] You're the board member for the government liaison and you're the board member for rules and reg. You should be a board member.

[24:04] Well, and we should get a different clerk. Well, I don't want to do this for not paid to do all the stuff I do.

[24:10] Like we're doing. Right. But then we take all our all our advice from our clerk. But here's the difference.

[24:16] I'm doing all this because I get paid and I don't I don't think there's any

[24:21] expectation you guys having a full-time job for free. So that is why I've done

[24:26] a lot of this stuff. Okay, and on the library board we have a director who does

[24:29] what she does, then we have a section. Should we have a director then too? Well no,

[24:34] because I think when he fills that position he's the one that gives us all the

[24:40] stats and he does all like all the stuff paid. Yeah. Yeah. He's a paid director. So maybe you

[24:47] should be the director. Can we get to positions paid because we need a clerk and you're you're

[24:51] more of a director or a board member than a clerk. Right. What do we call you? Is it a clerk?

[24:57] Is it a clerk? That's because I was trying. Okay. But you do a lot more and I think she does more but

[25:03] I still think we needed you know somebody to be in a clerk position because you know we need a clerk

[25:09] to do billing and you know that's why I wondered what all this is. She gets paid.

[25:13] So does your director do bill? He manages two branches plus four. So it sounds like

[25:19] that director is more like a chairman of the board. He's more. No, we have a chairperson

[25:23] and the decision. Is your director supersede your chairperson? Does the director make the

[25:28] decision? No, yes. No. The board makes the decision. There's not a single person that

[25:36] that makes the decision, anything that comes up.

[25:39] Holidays, we vote on that for paid employees,

[25:43] what that schedule is gonna look like every now and then

[25:45] that gets changed.

[25:46] Because our problem here is, you're an independent contractor.

[25:49] You don't even work for Hannah.

[25:50] Which I am not opposed to changing that.

[25:53] Yeah, I mean, we need to talk about it.

[25:54] Because that's what I was thinking,

[25:55] because she can't make any decisions for Hannah water,

[25:58] because she doesn't work for Hannah water.

[26:00] She is 1099, you know, from an accounting standpoint,

[26:03] point 1099 any seat non-employee compensation.

[26:07] So I don't think, you know, from the same thing,

[26:10] if you looked at the, went to the director and said,

[26:12] can we just hire a clerk to run everything?

[26:15] Like, we got a board.

[26:16] The board doesn't make the decisions.

[26:17] Wendy makes all the decisions.

[26:19] How about you?

[26:19] I go by your boats.

[26:21] I don't make decisions.

[26:22] There's Wendy making.

[26:23] Most of the time we come in said,

[26:24] Wendy went to the meetings and she decided this

[26:26] or she went to the funding.

[26:28] No board members are we going?

[26:30] To be honest with you, most of them

[26:32] board member meetings. There are things like when we've represented for funding if a board member

[26:39] came that's great but no one's been in the position to have the information to present but like

[26:44] I went to training today I mean shouldn't the board member know what's going on? Because who runs

[26:48] hand of water it seems like the clerk runs hand of water and not board seems. If someone wants to be

[26:55] involved I there is nothing wrong with that. I've said I want to be involved for three years.

[27:01] I

[27:01] I've never seen a financial report that goes out.

[27:03] Never seen one.

[27:04] You guys have signed the financial reports that I send out.

[27:07] I haven't signed anything.

[27:08] Yes, you have.

[27:09] I have your signature on them.

[27:10] OK, then you brought in your rough draft.

[27:13] I have brought in the report.

[27:15] But I wasn't part of that at all.

[27:17] And if you want to take on those compliance reports

[27:19] and something, that's perfectly fine.

[27:21] No, I think then when I have a board,

[27:22] when I have a secretary of treasury, it does do anything.

[27:25] That's my point.

[27:26] I mean, I'm going to say, if I'm not more involved,

[27:29] or I don't feel like I'm in any,

[27:30] I feel like I'm a volunteer, but I'm not appreciated.

[27:34] I don't do anything.

[27:36] I don't have any authority.

[27:37] You supersede anything, I say.

[27:40] I'm like, what am I here for?

[27:41] Am I doing this?

[27:42] I'm sorry, I just want to understand what you mean.

[27:43] What am I superseding that you say?

[27:45] Like for instance, I thought you were the clerk

[27:47] and we were like, so let's just sign a board member

[27:49] to do the, you know, decide the procedures and rules

[27:52] and government liaison.

[27:54] I thought a board member should do that, really.

[27:56] Not a clerk.

[27:58] But when did I supersede that?

[27:59] I guess I'm just trying to answer.

[28:01] I can't remember a time that you didn't.

[28:04] So for three years, and I've said,

[28:06] remember I said to go to the last work and want to.

[28:08] And I've said, I don't know, a hundred times.

[28:10] I'm not the last board.

[28:12] I've been on board.

[28:13] And I've been in a position of being the secretary of treasurer.

[28:16] And usually I make the decisions on that.

[28:18] And I have the clerk and she answers to me.

[28:20] You don't answer to me.

[28:21] Do you think you answered to me?

[28:23] Or do you think I answered to you?

[28:24] I don't think you answered to me.

[28:26] Do you answer to me?

[28:27] I don't know that I answered to you.

[28:28] I think I answered to the whole board. I don't think the answer anybody. That's my point. I'm just I'm just I'm not trying to make

[28:34] It's contentious. I'm just trying to say this is how I feel. If so then the changes would need to

[28:41] That's why I'm trying to get a flow chart. Like where do I fit in? Yeah, what do I do? You know and Larry's taking over is the job

[28:48] I'm trying to work with or I've sent help with the construction. He's been helping in the backs, you know because

[28:53] and Ray and Tim used to, and so that's why let's get everybody working and feel like we're all doing something.

[29:01] And the biggest thing I think, you know exactly what you're saying is the board members that have come and gone and whatever else.

[29:08] They just want to feel like they're part of the board.

[29:11] And we've talked about it quite a bit here in the meetings.

[29:14] It's like board members in the past and now feel like they'd come to the meetings and be talked to

[29:20] and not talked with and be part of the board and the decision making.

[29:25] So then after a seven year, for an hour, hour and a half,

[29:28] then I'll say, okay, we'll see you next week.

[29:31] The board members would all get up and leave.

[29:33] And it's like they didn't feel like they were part of anything.

[29:37] So that's one of the things that, you know,

[29:40] when Ray stepped down and put me there,

[29:44] that was one of the things that said, hey,

[29:45] we need to get the board members.

[29:47] they want to be more part, they want to be involved, right?

[29:52] So that's what we were trying to do.

[29:54] And it seems like the more that we would try to, we would try to...

[30:00] We'll put people in operations or funding our government, whatever, then we would get pushed back from windy about not getting the right information, not being willing to go out there and let them carry that forward and do what we've asked them. At one time we had Tim and Ray working with Brent Bingham, you know, and Brent Bingham was like, okay, you need to report to Tim and Ray.

[30:29] remember, everything tools, whatever, Tim and Ray can report back to the board and say,

[30:35] hey, they need this, they need this, they need this.

[30:38] Or, okay, there's too much money.

[30:40] Okay, over $500, but then Brent Bingham felt like his toes were stepped on, never use Tim

[30:46] and Ray, you know, all to do any of that kind of stuff, and it's like, oh guys, if we

[30:54] get pushed back, and if we do this, again, like Brent said, why do we need a board?

[30:59] Why, why wasn't it just, you know, the clerk and the operator running Hannah Walker?

[31:06] So, that's kind of where we're at.

[31:09] From an employee standpoint, I mean, they shouldn't be able to sign a document

[31:12] and make any decisions because they're not, they're independent contractors,

[31:14] just like Horox can't sign for Hannah Water and an account, I'm an account.

[31:18] So, I'm an independent contractor for everybody I work with.

[31:21] I can't run the meetings, I can't run their elections, I can because I'm independent contractor.

[31:26] So, if she's the director, we have to make her the director, make her an employee.

[31:29] Like you wanted to be in charge of the operator.

[31:33] That's my recollection.

[31:34] I'm being in charge of Brent Bingham said, let Brent Bingham know that he has to answer

[31:37] for me.

[31:38] Well, you're the clerk.

[31:39] No, I'm sorry.

[31:41] That's...

[31:41] That's how I took her.

[31:42] No, you did say that you could manage Brent Bingham.

[31:47] Well, Wendy has all the information coming into her, so it doesn't make sense to have all

[31:55] All these other arms out there when she does the billing, she gets the calls for turning

[32:01] on things, turning off things, getting new hookups, all of that.

[32:06] I don't see that as being in conflict with what the board does.

[32:13] Our director brings the information, it's like a second or a backup.

[32:21] So not one person is making all the decisions. Wendy can find the information and bring it to us

[32:27] And then we either yay or nay it as a board. So it's not just somebody saying that that's should have work

[32:34] Yeah, so for anything for pay for these guys or you work here for another one three or four months ago

[32:41] Wendy came and said she can't work with Larry anymore and she doesn't work with me

[32:44] And so she had and I didn't know that it's not fair

[32:48] That's the conversation either. So bring it up. We're all here. I didn't be

[32:52] behind to back I'm doing in front of you. And how is that relevant for right now?

[32:56] We're trying to decide this. It's relevant. She is hired by the board to be in this position.

[33:08] And her job is the things that she does. And then she can bring that information to us.

[33:15] And we that's what I've asked for I didn't know what her job was for three years. I've still been asked. You haven't I I know what her job is after being here for three months by what

[33:23] I asked I've asked her because she does everything but should she do everything is my question. Well I think the thing she's doing should all be consolidated into one and I don't have

[33:45] I say, no calls on hookups and no calls on billing.

[33:48] Those are things that I think we need to clerk for.

[33:51] And no, we can't do this for that.

[33:52] I clerk in the operator, run everything.

[33:54] But I want to, I'm trying to decide what does the board do.

[33:57] And every board member has asked me, what do we do?

[34:00] I mean, we don't, we don't seem to have any authority

[34:02] to do anything.

[34:04] We don't, you're a board.

[34:05] So you are working together to not individually

[34:08] making decisions on the date.

[34:10] And that's how it should be.

[34:11] Right, so that's how it should be,

[34:14] But it hasn't been that way.

[34:15] But having individual things isn't going to make that happen.

[34:19] That's going to fracture it more if we have the individual.

[34:23] It seems like it's not fractured than whoever's the liaison or that then does what Wendy's

[34:28] done, which I thought should be a great board member or the chairman of the board.

[34:32] Because then she said we got to have an election.

[34:35] But would you think, you know, that didn't seem to me and every board I've been on and I

[34:42] had a clerk run election for example or decide who can't or you know what happens or take or go

[34:48] to the funding meetings it's been a board member and that the clerk too because the clerk

[34:53] has does a lot of the labor but the board member has to make the decision that's how it's been

[34:58] in the past for me but as a director I can see it being different and individual board members making

[35:03] the decision or your board in general but a board is at least represented at these meetings and the

[35:09] the board just represented it, whatever anything that goes on.

[35:12] Oh, what he was trying to do was like Brim Beam.

[35:14] When he was out, he found something that needed fix,

[35:17] needed fix, instead of waiting until the meeting,

[35:20] like he could call me and Timmy,

[35:22] and we said, guideline to the board.

[35:25] So I'm gonna so much money, we could just say do it.

[35:28] And if it didn't feel good,

[35:29] then we would bring it back to the board.

[35:31] That makes sense.

[35:32] That's what we're trying to do,

[35:34] is get different people involved in different things.

[35:38] What you're saying me bring enough that she tried to get Larry fired behind everybody's back is not relevant in her opinion

[35:44] How did I try to get Larry fired you jumped down my throat say does that even row here?

[35:50] And you're not gonna talk to me like that and you're not gonna talk to me like that okay all right

[35:56] I'm talking you nicely until you you attack me just told me that I jumped down your throat I have not ever jumped down your throat

[36:03] I felt like you did.

[36:04] And that's maybe a statement that I could accept, but I did not intend to jump down your throat.

[36:10] I'm trying to bring it and trying to store it out and you're not on me.

[36:14] You're acting like I have no reason to bring you into this stuff up.

[36:17] No, I'm not.

[36:18] I'm asking questions.

[36:19] You said and I quote, how was that relevant?

[36:22] Now, how should I tell you?

[36:23] How is stuff that happened before relevant?

[36:27] It has never been solved, because I want to resolve it.

[36:29] one. Can I give it? Let me just let's to be the board with one thing instead. I agree.

[36:39] I'm trying to make it. You know, I mean, it looks like, you know, for whatever reason,

[36:47] however, I winded and I got sideways, that's it. You know, so that that should be between us.

[36:55] you guys as a water board. If you guys want me out, I'm good. I put so much time, so much effort into this.

[37:04] Wendy has been sideways with me for at least six months now after everything I tried to do to help and get the community off of Wendy's back and everything else.

[37:16] I know where this is going. I know what this is about.

[37:19] I took the high road, I took the high road when Wendy went and called every board member to say it's either Mayor Larry, that was the phone call that was made.

[37:32] And I get no but phone call till later.

[37:33] So I said, I want to do what's best for hand water.

[37:37] I am not going to get into any issues with Wendy.

[37:41] Wendy came to the very next meeting and it seems like the timing was when I said, Brent, help us your CPA.

[37:48] It helped us with our finances and helped us find a way to get some of this stuff.

[37:53] That's where we kind of started going sideways.

[37:55] No.

[37:56] And then when you came to the meeting, right, because at the previous meeting, you told

[38:01] me to know my role and stay in my lane because you were yelling at me.

[38:05] No.

[38:06] I was not.

[38:07] You repeated something that you read online and I said, that's not an accurate.

[38:12] Can I explain it to you?

[38:13] And you said, you will not explain anything to me.

[38:16] You need to know your lane.

[38:17] you're doing it. I mean you got so mad that you said no I'm imitating what

[38:24] happened. So what I'm trying to do is figure out whatever is Laney's yeah that's

[38:27] what I'm trying to do. You don't know this all background. I'm totally good with

[38:31] getting people in position. So that's what I'm trying to do. Okay but you're

[38:36] bringing up past things because it is okay. Don't you think it needs to be resolved?

[38:41] I mean, I have talked for several times and she has said to me on every occasion that

[38:48] we've talked.

[38:49] I don't, this is not vindictive, this is not to go ask her.

[38:53] She had no it is not, it is, you know, if you saw what she has looked into, I've asked

[39:01] her, is there another way, is there something else?

[39:03] She's like, let me call these people.

[39:05] She has spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to be compliant and to be able to have you stay here and to not have you think it was

[39:14] Vindictive and for you to be that way just shows your character to me

[39:20] That's that's that's because you don't know Larry because you know I you don't know what you said I'm doing you it's you dad

[39:28] Yeah, it's you, you're causing the control that I said that would make you also and have that

[39:36] change

[39:38] Indictive and it's not it's a hundred percent of compliance has been very worried about that and she didn't go looking for this

[39:46] She because I asked where like I for the library board

[39:50] I had to put in a resume. I had to be interviewed. I'm like I just show up and I'm on like what there's what happened here

[39:57] I've said that same thing when she brought you here like bring a resume. I wanted to do that same thing

[40:02] Did I say let's have a resume? Don't read him and remember she said I don't have one available, but I can verbally give it to you

[40:08] So she did that so we want and I'm trying to sort it out so we run like a board

[40:13] Okay, now I like I agree that that needs to happen

[40:16] And we need if there's some personality conflicts if the if the clerk director color director

[40:23] if she can't work with the board with the chairman of the board you don't see

[40:28] that as an issue that we need to discuss haven't you noticed that the the

[40:33] last few meetings I sit here I try not to say anything Wendy told me I can't

[40:40] call her I can't talk to her on me I never said don't call me talk to me here in

[40:45] this meeting I heard it no I didn't I said I am not okay with you talking to me

[40:50] the way you talked to me and then Brent jumped in and said you won't talk to Larry that way

[40:54] and jumped down my throat. I addressed the fact that you had talked to Robertory to me and I said

[41:00] I will not sit here and be treated that way. I hadn't heard that. You said you can't call you

[41:05] on the phone because you won't even talk to unless your husband's there and listening to him. You said

[41:08] you said that I called. No, I never said that. You said that you called me on the phone. And I said

[41:15] The right and the entire last board, I said,

[41:17] that is not true.

[41:19] I've never spoken in mean word to you on the phone.

[41:23] I've always tried to, everybody who's calling you,

[41:25] you call me and say, hey, they want to come to my house,

[41:28] they want to yell at me, they want to do this.

[41:29] I said, what do I say?

[41:31] Give them my name number.

[41:32] I'll take care of it.

[41:33] You do not need to go through that.

[41:34] You have said that when people,

[41:36] when customers have called and gotten upset,

[41:37] you have said, yeah, don't let them,

[41:40] you can have them call me.

[41:41] You have said that.

[41:42] And I've always had your back.

[41:43] I've always tried to make things work between us and our customers.

[41:48] My main goal is to have our customers get the water, get the service that they need at

[41:55] the best public price.

[41:56] That's all I've tried to do.

[41:58] That's awesome.

[42:00] I've been in a lot of time.

[42:01] You think I'm in Larry's camp?

[42:03] I met Larry here.

[42:04] I didn't know Larry until I came here.

[42:06] I was.

[42:07] I'm not Larry's buddy.

[42:08] I am now because I've made him here.

[42:11] I didn't know him before here.

[42:12] But you two do have a lot of conversations outside of the meeting where you guys discuss how how things should be handled and how do you know

[42:21] How many times I call you this month to talk about it today on the way to the meeting

[42:26] Larry, do you remember what started the first conversation because there were two meetings in a row that were very rough

[42:32] Do you remember what started that?

[42:35] You told me you'd look things up online and found level one sources and I said there can

[42:41] considered active versus inactive, there's no levels on them. And you've got

[42:46] very upset at me when I corrected you. No, that's not true. So my main goal and

[42:55] we have that here, we have five water systems. All right. So the world I come from,

[43:01] if you have an asset, you take care of the asset. We have five assets and one and a half

[43:10] So my goal, and it's always been my goal to have a back-up plan, emergency back-up plans,

[43:17] we need to get those assets working.

[43:21] When your stance has always been, we don't need them.

[43:24] You don't understand what you're talking about, and that's where the voice has got raised.

[43:30] And I told you that the time I apologize for raising my voice.

[43:36] But you, but you say that I don't know why you won't let me teach you and I don't know why you don't want to listen to me.

[43:46] And I said, I see what I see. We have five assets that are not in compliance.

[43:53] And then went on to the state records and it shows Rose Canyon, it shows our wells, our sites, as being a stage one in compliance.

[44:05] That's all I said and all of a sudden you started talking about I don't know why you

[44:11] won't listen to me and I don't know why you won't teach me and I said I don't need

[44:15] you to teach me anything. I see what I see. I've been to every single site, great Timmy,

[44:22] bent to every single site, that's why we put them working with Brent Bingham so we can get

[44:28] We have to put an asset assessment on what we have out there, right?

[44:33] But again, to me to have one and a half, or one and a quarter, out of five systems of an operating, doesn't make sense.

[44:44] We need to get those running, and I said over and over.

[44:47] I know we're tight on money, but we have to do a five year budget.

[44:51] We have to put a budget together that we can go work on things here, here, here and here.

[44:57] but we have to get these assets back in.

[45:00] I've been running, if not, why haven't you been? Right? So that that's what started the whole thing. I definitely saw those conversations. You can't tell me that I don't know. I don't know why you want. No, I said, I think you misunderstood. I would just like to explain it to you. I said, I think that I'm with Wendy and this one. Sorry, but you did say that. You did. She said, let me explain it to you. You took it. You took a personally, which I think

[45:29] you're taking it like what do you teach me but it is but it goes it's back and forth

[45:35] yeah it's isn't back and forth and I think you did in that specific specific case I don't think

[45:40] you came across aggressive I think you were saying let me see Dan I'll show you what you've been

[45:44] here longer maybe maybe not as long as right I don't know what are you doing we came on the exact same

[45:48] moment so you've been here longer than us Larry and I are from a corporate background and I see

[45:54] Larry's from Coca-Cola and his background's Coca-Cola and he comes from in a Coca-Cola place

[45:58] I'm a press water ass, I mean I was on a lot of boards, but the boards never

[46:02] under. There's got to be someone in charge. I don't know who's in charge. I think

[46:05] it's Wendy, but I think you got to have somebody in charge whether it's

[46:08] military or a corporation or anything. Someone's got to be in charge. Good or

[46:13] bad or indifferent. There's got to be a flow. There's got to be... Can I comment on

[46:17] something you just said? You just said you've been here longer than us. You know a lot

[46:21] of stuff. That's exactly I guess the point I'm trying to make. If I'm not allowed

[46:26] to explain something. I don't know how to help. And how I have been here longer than you guys,

[46:31] and if you guys want to step in and help with things, 100%, but you have to learn them, you can't

[46:37] just assume the the work and take it on and show up to a meeting and say, hey, I'd like to present

[46:43] for Hannah Water for $3.4 million in funding. Would you guys have been able to answer the questions?

[46:50] Yeah, if it would give me a two weeks to get ready for it, yeah, I would be able to.

[46:53] but I think that's the point.

[46:55] You have to be willing to learn it.

[46:59] And that's why I said bring it to the table.

[47:01] But I did.

[47:01] I brought all of those funding things in.

[47:04] I talked about the meetings.

[47:05] I remember telling Larry, yeah, this week I go to Coucheram

[47:08] for the last, well, we'll hopefully be the last.

[47:10] And at the end of the meeting, he said, good luck at the meeting.

[47:12] I did make you guys aware.

[47:14] And you guys had to approve this.

[47:16] You could at least give me this part,

[47:17] didn't I always say, shouldn't the board member go to that?

[47:20] I don't remember you ever saying that.

[47:22] I said it every time you went to anything and that's why I said if I'm not useful, that's one like

[47:26] My first year in here. I said if I'm not doing anything. I'm just gonna quit. I don't need to just be here and

[47:32] I got plenty things to do so if I'm useful then I want to be here

[47:35] And if I don't have a conversation about this before as well and you said the same thing

[47:40] We want to be useful. We want to be involved and I was like I get it and we need to learn the things and and

[47:44] Work together and you said I get it. I don't get paid for this either. You do get paid

[47:49] so I and I don't have a lot of time. So it's kind of the same thing. So if there's things that I

[47:54] I have not made decisions or taken things like out of your hands. I have presented things to you guys.

[48:00] I've sent text messages. I've sent emails. I've sent stuff. I don't feel like I've made decisions

[48:05] on your behalf as a board. You guys voted for the funding. I did go to the funding meetings and

[48:11] represented Hannah water, but I didn't make the decisions on the funding. You guys had all that

[48:16] information as well. Maybe it just seems like that's why this is my point of this. I want to clear

[48:21] the air and I want to make sure people can work with each other. You don't call me hardly ever

[48:25] and I don't really on the budget. I usually try to say three or four months or let's get going on

[48:30] the budget so that I can figure it out and then we can and then let you and I figure it out and present

[48:34] it to the board because they don't know nobody here knows. I mean the first budget meeting we went

[48:39] through I was here with everybody else like okay we did two hundred dollars last year. I had no

[48:45] which I was going to do in the same thing.

[48:47] I was still me doing it as well.

[48:49] Hundreds of budgets.

[48:50] And yet I looked at our budget lane.

[48:51] I don't know.

[48:52] Like today, I looked like, where are we at on our budget?

[48:55] I'd love to see what I want the clerk to do in my opinion.

[48:58] This is me as an account.

[48:59] I want to see a financial statement every month, year to day.

[49:02] And I should have brought that I apologize.

[49:04] And then I wanted to say, here's how we're doing on a budget.

[49:08] So we know what, you know, then when DAX is, hey,

[49:11] we got to blow out, we got to work on it.

[49:12] Then I can look like, we got money

[49:15] in the budget or can we shift it, or, you know, I'm used to running things like a business

[49:21] and having somebody like you, I've never called them a director, but you are a director.

[49:27] You're not a clerk, you're a director.

[49:28] You really run this thing, really, you have more information to anybody else, and a lot

[49:32] of that is because we just don't know, and we're not, I don't usually get the emails and

[49:37] maybe you have sent some, but we don't, I'm trying to just say, what is your job?

[49:42] So then when we say, if that's your job, okay, but every board I've been on, we've had

[49:48] a chairman of the board that ran the meeting, and we've had the board that, when some

[49:51] said, hey, we got a vote on something this week, here's our ideas.

[49:55] And then the clerk who knows more than anybody, here's what I think, this is what I've done,

[49:59] the board votes, and we'll go forward.

[50:01] So the board has purpose, the board votes on the president and his salary, the president

[50:08] an answer to the chairman of the board.

[50:10] The chairman of the board runs the meeting

[50:11] but the answer to the board.

[50:13] But this board doesn't seem to work that way.

[50:15] Do you remember that email that you sent

[50:17] after that second meeting when things blew up

[50:19] and I went up and had you sign checks

[50:22] and then you sent an email about me being a 1099

[50:24] and I shouldn't represent how to water

[50:26] that it should come from a board.

[50:28] Yeah, probably.

[50:28] So there has been a lot of emails sent

[50:31] and Chuck will send them to myself and Larry.

[50:34] And I don't know if Larry's forwarding them on,

[50:36] but I have stepped back.

[50:38] I see those emails come through and then nothing happens with them.

[50:41] But my point was that was, either we ought to put you as a director and employee of

[50:47] Hannah Water, or it was my opinion from a legal standpoint, a clerk or an independent

[50:52] contractor, 1099 employee can't sign from Hannah Water.

[50:56] How have you seen that in libraries?

[50:58] I mean, I'm deferring to you on a lot of this because it's a small situation.

[51:02] We get a budget, but we don't deal anything with financials.

[51:05] Our chairman does, like when we get donations,

[51:11] she sends a thank you note.

[51:14] I know that happens, but I don't, that is,

[51:17] we can't make you liable.

[51:19] I mean, I don't think you can get sued.

[51:20] You're doing something for Hannah Water

[51:22] because you're not even on Hannah Water

[51:24] or it seems that way to me.

[51:25] So, are you thinking of rather than

[51:29] an independent 1099 employee employing her?

[51:34] if that's what we're going to do if that's as a director like because this is the first time for the director idea and I that's that's how we're running it but it's never been presented that way, you know, it's never it's always been we got a clerk and we got an operator, we pay him 1099.

[51:50] They work at will, like for instance, in our situations, like you can fire or hire contractors anytime you want, like Horox.

[52:03] I mentioned to Larry today. I said Larry, because Horox wants their contract for the independent contractor.

[52:08] They're an independent contractor. They want a contract for a year or so.

[52:11] So we have to do the same for these guys. I mean, these guys are more important to us than Horax

[52:15] Why don't we give them a year contract and then have some sort of an agreement that hey, you've got a year contract

[52:21] We're gonna pay for a year and you're on and then give us 30 days if you're gonna quit

[52:25] You know, so you don't leave a sign right something so we know where we're at again my whole point of this is

[52:31] Who does what?

[52:32] Where's the flow of responsibility? Who's in charge in my

[52:37] limited experience the chairman's usually been in charge but in this area it's

[52:42] our clerk that's in charge it seems to me and it's um I'm gonna answer for you

[52:49] Larry because the first thing I thought of when you said bring up a vote is like

[52:52] she's still trying to get rid of Larry I was upset to find out I'm sorry I just

[52:57] didn't bring up a vote about what the board board has to be voted on like it's just

[53:02] another way you go to church you know a lot of people Larry knows nobody you

[53:05] It shows me in three guys, you know the right, no one's going to vote for Larry.

[53:08] And if you all you got to do is tell your relief society class or I don't know if it's

[53:12] called that.

[53:12] I don't think that's how the vote goes.

[53:15] That's why I asked.

[53:16] The same thing though, the election is compliance.

[53:19] The reason why we haven't had an election is because I wasn't aware and I was made aware

[53:23] because the park department apparently something changed with the state.

[53:28] Normally they sent you packets every two years for your election to start your election and

[53:33] they haven't been doing it.

[53:34] So the park department also missed an election two year or a year ago.

[53:39] They haven't had one as well.

[53:40] Yeah.

[53:41] So they told me, you know, they had to have a small town groomer, but somebody got

[53:45] let go from the board because he wasn't registered as a voter and he refused to do it.

[53:49] So then they said, you guys are probably in the same vote.

[53:53] Vote because you, did you guys get an election packet?

[53:55] And I was like, no, I don't know anything about the election.

[53:58] Well, even when you, remember when I came on board?

[54:00] I came because Ben's a neighbor of mine.

[54:02] and then I said, hey, there's a good group of guys.

[54:04] I just want you to come and talk to the board.

[54:05] And then before I left, I was voted on.

[54:07] And I said, I don't even have any water.

[54:11] I've got a well.

[54:12] And then I got voted on like, okay,

[54:14] because every place I've moved,

[54:16] I've tried to do something in the community to help.

[54:18] I was a commissioner baseball for some areas

[54:20] and I didn't have a boy.

[54:22] So I had no horse in the game or no dog in the hunt.

[54:25] I just tried to do something for the community for free.

[54:29] And I was trying to do that here,

[54:31] But then I felt like I'm not appreciated and you know, I've been a lot of $500 an hour and I thought I

[54:36] I'm kind of poor. I need to finish the cab and I should work more instead of coming here because when I come here

[54:41] It's like it's a lot of this and I'm sorry you and I got so I wasn't want to. I don't know. I don't know you

[54:45] You don't know me. You don't know Larry

[54:48] I've met Larry and I've met a lot of the people he's worked with and I found him to be a very reasonable guy

[54:53] And then most of his employees love him to death and would

[54:56] It would take a bullet for him, and then he and Wendy got sideways, and you know, when

[55:02] I saw both sides, and I tried to be fair, I tried to be fair that you said some things,

[55:07] and I see it from your point of view when you're thinking, a clerk's telling me she's going to train me,

[55:11] the chairman of the board want to do, so I get where you come from, but maybe he may take that.

[55:15] But I think chairman of the board into business sense is different than in this sense.

[55:21] and I've never worked for it, not for profit.

[55:24] Yeah, and even though it's not even the chairman of the board

[55:28] or anything else, when I go out there

[55:31] and I see your systems in such disarray, right?

[55:36] I mean, they're everywhere, right?

[55:38] This really was, how many hours a month

[55:40] do you think you put in for Antelope?

[55:42] No, I don't think so.

[55:44] It's over 20 hours working on, working on, you know.

[55:49] That's awesome.

[55:49] Do you think you need a raise?

[55:50] And most of the time she would hate it.

[55:52] Well, I mean, I've never seen anybody try harder

[55:55] than Larry.

[55:55] Is it like I haven't?

[55:56] I've got a big list tonight.

[55:58] So sideways.

[55:59] And she knows more than Larry.

[56:00] And I thought, but she doesn't.

[56:02] You don't like Larry.

[56:03] Is that fair?

[56:05] I don't feel like Larry has any respect for me.

[56:07] And I come to that.

[56:09] Larry, you just laughed at me telling me how I did it.

[56:12] I don't think she does that respect.

[56:13] But here's the thing.

[56:15] I'm glad for talking.

[56:15] Yeah, I'm just glad.

[56:16] I don't feel that way.

[56:17] I feel like for a while, I could call Larry and say,

[56:19] Here's what's going on and he would have my back that meeting those two meetings in a row or hell for me

[56:25] And I come to every meeting with a pit in my stomach that I'm afraid I'm gonna say something wrong and set one of you to off again

[56:31] Well, and that is my honest film. You told me several times you want to quit

[56:35] Why do you think that might be? Well, I'm trying to try to sort it out. Frank. You stood up over the table screaming at me at that meeting when I was I didn't stand up

[56:44] I sat right in this chair just like I did with that and I thought you were being unfair with Larry and

[56:48] and Larry felt like he was getting ambushed.

[56:51] And then it wasn't until after the meeting I found out

[56:53] you'd already called everybody but me and Larry.

[56:56] That's offensive.

[56:57] So I've had a hard time and I wanted to clear the air

[56:59] with you.

[57:00] Why didn't I get a call?

[57:01] Because I felt like you and Larry had an outside

[57:05] relationship that if I would-

[57:06] And then when we decided to bring Dax,

[57:07] I needed like Dax because Larry and I liked him.

[57:09] No, I didn't say I didn't like Dax.

[57:10] I was worried about Dax's available time

[57:14] because he has a contractor business.

[57:16] And that is what I brought up in the in the meetings about

[57:20] Bringing on. You know, I talked everybody and I talked everybody you call and that's what came to me like

[57:26] Why didn't you like me? I'm at Larry here. Let's think I might make you I met you might every and I'm more friends with Larry because

[57:34] He was Ben's friend and Ben's my name, so that's why it's only difference in I absolutely think this needs me here in like a business because if we don't

[57:43] If we operate like a nonprofit, I get we get government money, but if we go and just say yeah, fuck it, we'll spend money on a shit that we need right now, like this system doesn't work, and you know that I know that.

[57:57] Well, and I think we have to have a line of command of some sort.

[58:01] I think you can do both. I think it can be business, but also.

[58:04] We have to be we have to be both because

[58:07] What we operate is

[58:09] I see what lary sees I see we have a

[58:15] Lot of stuff that works. I think

[58:17] A lot of money I hate to lose you because who's gonna take up that slack a lot of money

[58:22] Well, and that's my conversation with Wendy like who we we are already down

[58:28] We already was coming back or is back or

[58:34] But if we bring up this compliance stuff, then where does that leave us?

[58:40] And I appreciate all that you've done in the time that you put in.

[58:45] I don't know enough to know everything that you do.

[58:50] But in looking at my laws and different things.

[58:53] And honestly, this was, I want you from the bottom of my heart to know this was not vindictive against you.

[59:00] when he has said multiple times she's like she searched for ways to be able to see if you could say she looked it

[59:08] She even counted up people and percentages and like did a ton because she

[59:14] Go back to the until everybody else at least that's what I talk. It's me or Larry. You got a fire Larry and she was open to fire Larry that night

[59:21] Which is it's a problem with me. I shouldn't do that. Did I say it's me or Larry in a phone call? I

[59:27] Said it's me or Larry

[59:28] I don't. I don't. That's what I call them all. And I will tell me. And then you can talk to me about it.

[59:37] Kim, gosh, it was the way you did it. You didn't sit where I was. I talked to Kim about it as well.

[59:43] And that's not what she said to me, but I did talk to her as well. And why she called?

[59:49] You know, and I guess I guess the thing is, you know, after, after everything I tried to take out my own shoulders,

[59:56] and get the pressure out of you.

[59:58] You know, like I said,

[1:00:00] All of a sudden, I said, I want you to report to brand, I'm financed, I want brand to come in and do audits and look at. So, Wendy, it's like the light went off. And then the next meeting, all of a sudden, you're very upset at me, we got into it. And, you know, you're calling me, like you said, you're calling me because everybody's upset with you, you're not answering your phone, you're not doing this and this, so then there's an argument. And I'm saying, Wendy, send them to me.

[1:00:29] don't take that on your own shoulders. I'll take all of this, the neighbors I've

[1:00:35] talked to you about that said hey you know we can't get hold of anyone down at

[1:00:39] the office. Tell me what's going on and I'll get I'll call Grant I'll get a

[1:00:45] team care right and I was doing that because I thought me and you were like

[1:00:55] I connect it, and I'm trying everything I can to help you.

[1:00:58] You and Brent, being in our completely sideways, I wanted to have the meaning between you and

[1:01:04] Brent being in the night of the fire down.

[1:01:07] When we all met at the high school, the high school up here, for the fire, Brent was ready

[1:01:12] to quit.

[1:01:13] You didn't have a lot of good things to say about Brent, and I told Brent being the two people

[1:01:19] that have to make this work.

[1:01:21] You and Wendy.

[1:01:22] I have to have you guys on the same page.

[1:01:24] That night, Brent came up to me and the stands, he said, we don't need that meeting because

[1:01:30] Wendy and I got worked up, you know, you pointed me in the right direction.

[1:01:35] I'm what came out.

[1:01:36] Don't have a meeting with Brent or Wendy and I.

[1:01:39] I said, are you sure?

[1:01:40] I said, because you two have to make this thing work, right?

[1:01:44] But those were the type of steps that I was doing to show you that I had your back 100%

[1:01:51] whatever happened I was there to back you up to support you and then all of a sudden it's just like

[1:01:59] and now all the arguments from the people that you were saying Colin you and want to come to

[1:02:04] your house and talk to you about Billine or whatever you know about how Mike Fisher and Bill and all

[1:02:10] these guys are so mean and so upset with you and everything else I want to take on that responsibility

[1:02:16] But then lo and behold the very next meeting you come and the same things that you said about them is what you were seeing about me

[1:02:23] So did I take offense to I was pretty blindsided to be honest with you because I thought I thought we were connecting and I thought we were

[1:02:32] Going to take this board and the right direction and start doing the right things and then

[1:02:38] The next month was even worse and then when you said you can't work with me

[1:02:42] You're not gonna take my phone calls and you think I'm like, well, then what are we doing?

[1:02:48] How do I how do we run this board if you want to be better and we want this free and it's not fun to come to meeting

[1:02:55] It's not fun. It's my least favorite day in a month. I don't want it to be

[1:02:58] And if I'm not useful, then I don't want to be here. So I just that even Larry you're out for sure

[1:03:04] You're there's no way you're staying. So now you have no dog in the hunt. So I hope it's just organizing

[1:03:08] You know just give us your two cents worth here. I mean I'm not speaking for

[1:03:13] I hope you speak for a few more months.

[1:03:15] So we have a building that's being building and why would we not say okay we have the

[1:03:21] what was your title of coke?

[1:03:23] It doesn't matter. Why would we not want somebody that was facilities manager?

[1:03:29] Facilities manager?

[1:03:31] We did buildings and operations.

[1:03:33] And then here's the other thing Wendy, this is not, I'm due attack and I'm sorry because

[1:03:40] I do, I have a short fuse, I know it, but I cool out just as fast.

[1:03:45] So here we are.

[1:03:46] I think the clerk needs to have office hours and you've told me several times you're never

[1:03:49] going to have office hours.

[1:03:50] You're not going to go to the office and have, you know, from 10 to noon be there.

[1:03:55] So it seems like, you know, maybe, I'm really sorry, but I feel like you guys are talking in

[1:03:59] these absolutes that I don't remember how, I don't know.

[1:04:02] No, I just said, I don't know what my hours would be.

[1:04:05] And I did say I was hired to work from home.

[1:04:08] I don't know that I want to go sit in an office,

[1:04:10] but not from nine to three years something like that.

[1:04:12] That would make it a lot harder,

[1:04:13] because I was hired to work from home.

[1:04:14] Do you think it's important for the clerk to have office?

[1:04:16] I have put office hours on my voice,

[1:04:18] but I'm like, you ask me to do.

[1:04:20] If you guys want me to have an in-office hours

[1:04:22] when we have an actual office, then yeah, we could probably,

[1:04:26] but it's, like I said, I don't think sitting there for...

[1:04:29] To be honest, I thought I wanted you to be the chairman board.

[1:04:32] That's my idea was let's get a clerk to be a clerk and just figure out what the clerk

[1:04:37] duties are.

[1:04:38] You know everything.

[1:04:39] I don't want you walking away.

[1:04:41] I'd say you ought to be a board member, but it doesn't pay.

[1:04:43] So if you paid like the clerk would you change it around?

[1:04:48] I don't want to be in an unpaid position and do this, no.

[1:04:51] And I don't think you can pay for how I go.

[1:04:55] Right, but that's why I have taken all of it on, because I do get paid to do it.

[1:04:59] Yeah, but I don't get paid in here.

[1:05:00] I still take on a lot. I still have all the aggravation just I don't feel

[1:05:05] appreciated. I don't really feel useful here. So I think Larry does a lot more

[1:05:10] than I do. You want to get him fired all the time. So let's let's let's let's let's

[1:05:16] let's all off the table. Larry's gone. So mission accomplished. So now let's now what I did

[1:05:26] It's true, but let's try to just sort this out, but it's those kind of comments that I'm

[1:05:34] going to.

[1:05:35] So you don't need to worry about me, even I don't have to be get along anymore.

[1:05:39] I'm not staying around any, either, based on this, Ray said he's gone to, so could you guys

[1:05:46] find a new board?

[1:05:47] Could you, you can probably pull together people that you like and from the other forwards and

[1:05:51] people you can work with and but do you want our input on any of this stuff?

[1:06:00] Talk to you too. Do you want any input on any any knowledge I have maybe how

[1:06:06] how do you organize it cannot be snarky? Sure. Yeah. What's the chance? I mean you're

[1:06:14] just as smart as I am. Well because I'm gonna put I'm not gonna let you know me

[1:06:19] You start. Okay, no. Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay, great. This is this is that's pick five. Yeah, this yeah, let's take do it

[1:06:29] That's you seem to be level had it in right right here the two level headed guys here. So through your ideas on it

[1:06:35] This is switch gears for a minute. Okay. I don't really know shit happens in the board

[1:06:41] But it's operator update

[1:06:45] So I went to test today

[1:06:49] control connection, so now the cross-control connection administrator for

[1:06:54] Hannah and Tabby. I haven't built anybody for the time or the test or anything

[1:07:05] like that. I know that both have a hand needed, so. Is that what the CCC training

[1:07:12] So those are the training hours. I did those. I didn't. But there's the time to take the test and then I paid the money to take the test.

[1:07:22] It was like 340 bucks or something like that. So I know both system needs needs one. And so I don't know if we want to just split that with tabbie or how.

[1:07:33] Are they okay with splinter? I'm sure they would be. I mean, I talked to Terry and Terry said that he would split costs with us on.

[1:07:41] Yeah, I'm the by on that note when you we hired you this is just because you said when you got your certifications

[1:07:48] We were gonna give you the raise. Yeah, I've already taken them so I've already been building the thirty one dollars

[1:07:54] Okay

[1:07:55] Which is good when I did my when I got my services for operator certification this is the second

[1:08:01] Certification that's fair because we said that was yeah, so this is a separate certification, but still is important

[1:08:10] So, yeah, that's where we're at there, so we should be in compliance.

[1:08:15] We probably won't, I haven't seen the authority of Statement.

[1:08:21] We've got to know what that is.

[1:08:22] It's a cross-connection authority statement.

[1:08:24] Oh, I saw the one you put for tabby.

[1:08:27] They put it on a tabby Facebook page.

[1:08:29] Did you do one for Hannah too?

[1:08:30] I haven't done one for Hannah.

[1:08:32] I didn't know if you or somebody else we had because, so the one that we had for

[1:08:37] tab he was in their bylaws and it said they didn't have one but really what

[1:08:41] happened was the surveyor from the state came and the person that was shown

[1:08:47] around which was the old mayor they didn't quite see eye to eye and so the

[1:08:53] surveyors just like if you don't have one sorry so I think we have a template

[1:08:58] that they gave us for the Brent had been going to use or going but I don't know

[1:09:04] that we have anything beyond that.

[1:09:06] Have you looked on Brent's Google drive

[1:09:08] of the department that we need to have

[1:09:11] so there's an ordinance too?

[1:09:13] Do we have an ordinance?

[1:09:14] I don't believe so.

[1:09:16] OK, so we probably need to get an ordinance.

[1:09:20] Sorry, will you say that again, what you call that,

[1:09:22] but there's an authoritative statement in an ordinance.

[1:09:25] And then we actually, anybody that's

[1:09:29] going to be on the board needs to have basic training

[1:09:31] of cross-connection and so that there's also a binder that I've made that needs to have

[1:09:42] pushed up put in. I mean it's not it's a hoop that the state's going to make us jump through but

[1:09:47] it's also just to help protect our water source.

[1:09:52] So is that the ordinance and the authority of

[1:09:56] That's a huge ordinance. There's a third-estatement. There's records, which is the binder and then there's

[1:10:04] And that's where you bow out and check and mark on who you've checked and that. Yeah, we're supposed to check

[1:10:10] There's any industrial connections, which we really don't have any people like four or five commercial but we don't have any

[1:10:16] Industrial, but yeah, maybe one of the commercial ones. So we're supposed to check those and then

[1:10:21] ongoing training, which is training the staff

[1:10:26] So what should be you guys?

[1:10:30] So is the cross-connection for like backflow?

[1:10:33] That's, yeah.

[1:10:33] That's backflow.

[1:10:34] Okay.

[1:10:34] So people have irrigation and culinary on their property should have a backflow, prevent

[1:10:40] or and stuff.

[1:10:41] Yeah.

[1:10:42] State report.

[1:10:44] So is that ordinance and the authoritative statement something you will write up?

[1:10:48] So then we put on our website or something.

[1:10:50] I remember when Brent started on it before and he got a bunch of templates and I think I might have a copy of those

[1:10:57] But they're very basic

[1:10:59] Like I don't know if you want if you want those. I can send to you if you would if it's easier for you to do

[1:11:11] And then do we just need to have it on our website and on the public

[1:11:14] So we're going to have it on our website and then we have to have ongoing

[1:11:19] education. So if we can put a pamphlet, that's what I did with tabbues. I just

[1:11:23] haven't put a pamphlet in their bill. Okay. So just like a public awareness.

[1:11:29] Yeah, public awareness. And I think with our size we can do it. We can hang it in the

[1:11:33] post office and the Hannah store and I can put it on the post office. I don't think

[1:11:36] we have to mail it to everybody. I just told them to do it because that's easy to

[1:11:41] track and it's like here's the mailer that went out so it was for them it was

[1:11:47] more of just a compliance thing as well because we're trying to stay in compliance

[1:11:52] with IPS points as well. Right okay if you want to when you get that the

[1:11:59] ordinance and the thought of statement and the pamphlet I can upload it on the

[1:12:02] website if you want me to do it that way. That's all I got.

[1:12:24] I want me to go over the

[1:12:25] stuff I have.

[1:12:29] So Gordon Moonshane and Eliza Rhodes, that's the

[1:12:32] delinquent account. I talked to him today again about transferring all the

[1:12:36] account back to him and basically explain to him our contract is with him, not

[1:12:41] Shane and Eliza, that the rental agreement has been kind of a courtesy and he

[1:12:45] wants me to send out a 10-day notice and then we would shut him off in 10 days by

[1:12:49] their request. Gordon Moon's like the property owner. Yeah, because remember we voted and said we'll

[1:12:57] transfer it back to him. So he said if they don't, I said, well, what do you want me to do? Because

[1:13:02] if we shut it off, it'd be shut off until he's, tell their.

[1:13:09] Brent Ipsens, is that what that one is? So I called Brent and he said he didn't find it.

[1:13:13] Oh, yeah. And I thought he, so I let Rusty know too. So he's, I think they're gonna

[1:13:19] Just install it when they're ready for it because he's been he's been paying for a stand-by-feet

[1:13:24] So he just needs to have the meter installed. Did you sort out champions too?

[1:13:29] I haven't done it yet, but

[1:13:33] Top of the year, we got the day, I found out. Yeah, well, I keep going over there one day

[1:13:39] It's just in the dishwasher, so yeah, I know they did mention it. Yeah

[1:13:44] Are they up by you? They're neighbors. My one neighbor's just starting to build it and they

[1:13:50] and I probably couldn't find this meter.

[1:13:53] And then the other neighbor, they said it started to,

[1:13:55] they're just two people, and then they build up right up.

[1:13:57] So maybe the meter is defective.

[1:13:59] We're just gonna switch out that meter.

[1:14:01] I don't think it's counting.

[1:14:02] So I think there's something out of the meter,

[1:14:03] because I turned on a bunch of their stuff one day,

[1:14:07] and just to see if it was counting, it's not.

[1:14:10] I don't think so.

[1:14:11] I just need to replace it and switch out, and, okay.

[1:14:14] I don't know.

[1:14:14] I doubt that one's under warranty, so.

[1:14:17] Yeah, I don't know.

[1:14:18] But, uh, Kurt, whether it should be in a warranty?

[1:14:22] I would think so, it's not that old.

[1:14:24] Yeah.

[1:14:25] Has it broken too?

[1:14:26] Has it been counting?

[1:14:27] Did it?

[1:14:27] Oh, it's just not counting?

[1:14:28] Yeah.

[1:14:29] We turned all this stuff on too, and it's not spinning.

[1:14:31] I don't know for sure how long has it been in?

[1:14:35] If it was in before he bought and built,

[1:14:37] I'd have to look back to when his,

[1:14:40] or if he bought it from somebody that hadn't built,

[1:14:43] and it was already in the ground,

[1:14:44] it may be 20 years old.

[1:14:46] I don't know.

[1:14:46] This is a radio resource. Oh, that's right. Yeah, so his would be new. The only other one that's right there is a

[1:14:53] Coral Bob. Oh, yeah

[1:15:02] So back to moves. So they want me to turn it off. I told them how we do the delinquent. So if we turn them off, they have to pay before it can be turned back on. And I said, so, and he's like, well, I'm hoping that I'll spur them to pay it. But if not, he's like, well, pay it. And then

[1:15:30] for the moon being paid, he'll be responsible for the monthly bill, and he'll have to work it out with them.

[1:15:35] And then Don Nelson, their up in Snuckshrews, they had a leak when we turned on theirs.

[1:15:41] They used 235,000 gallons, they did, they had Dax turn it on, and then when they came out, it had been like five or six days, I don't know exactly.

[1:15:52] But as soon as they found it, they fixed it, so she's asking for a partial forgiveness or some any help on her leak.

[1:15:58] So the total bill was $8.5450, so if you do the $60 for regular usage and then if you did half of it like we've done before that would take off $397.25 and put her bill of $457, I told her I would ask you guys for partial forgiveness or any help that you could give her, but that's where I just did the calculation for the half of where we've been at,

[1:16:24] is that something you guys would consider.

[1:16:26] We don't need to do 50% if they get right on,

[1:16:29] which sounds like that's what they do.

[1:16:30] Did they fix it?

[1:16:31] Yeah, they fix it like that next weekend when they came out.

[1:16:34] And she called me right out or text me after and said,

[1:16:37] when we got out here over the weekend,

[1:16:38] we realized we had a leak.

[1:16:39] We fixed it and I said, I don't know.

[1:16:40] I said, I won't know how much you used

[1:16:42] until we were the leader.

[1:16:42] So what we built up so much?

[1:16:44] I ate 150, 450 is the total.

[1:16:46] 200, 300, 300, 300.

[1:16:47] So it would go down to 457.

[1:16:50] We'd have to have it six to like it, yeah, okay.

[1:16:51] I didn't give her a number.

[1:16:52] I told her I have to ask the board.

[1:16:53] So I said they're they're usually pretty good to help especially where you guys got right on up

[1:16:57] But I have to ask them so I didn't give any kind of

[1:17:00] They're the ones at the very very end where you go through by Brenda van caught and then you keep going over

[1:17:07] It's Don Nelson and I can't pick up the other one's name, but yeah, they're clear back there in the corner

[1:17:12] Yeah, right your thoughts

[1:17:17] Oh, it's down in the past.

[1:17:18] Yeah, it's still steady.

[1:17:20] Yeah, it's steady with it.

[1:17:21] So, get in first place.

[1:17:21] So, as we go.

[1:17:22] Okay.

[1:17:24] I'll second.

[1:17:25] Okay.

[1:17:26] About

[1:17:30] a mile probably be leaking in a month or something.

[1:17:34] Should we add that to, like, some sort of, like,

[1:17:40] codex or something, or it's like, hey, if you have a week,

[1:17:43] it's astronomical.

[1:17:46] Because right now, it's like, this is what we've done in the past

[1:17:49] and we all know that we're from the past, but I think that we've got to find in a couple

[1:17:54] of years when we can't be inconsistent. We've got to be consistent.

[1:17:58] I think the only reason why we didn't say, we'll put it out of policy, is because we did

[1:18:03] it case by case, and case people didn't fix it right away. We didn't want to just say,

[1:18:07] yeah, if you let this go for three months, we'll still take it to push that off.

[1:18:11] We can say that, too. You have to address it.

[1:18:13] But then that's what we said is if they get right on the fix it, right, then we'll help them do it if they prolong and mess around

[1:18:21] That we don't and sometimes we don't read the meters in the winter if it's too much snow

[1:18:25] So sometimes it could be a astronomical number

[1:18:27] Yeah, so then we should be getting away from it. That's winter. By rights. We shouldn't have everything switched over to

[1:18:37] That was then you'll read them all so that then they'll get ready

[1:18:40] He doesn't have to touch the top, so if they're covered in snow, he doesn't read them.

[1:18:44] And you can know if there's a leak before six months or three hours.

[1:18:49] That was something I wondered about.

[1:18:51] If we could maybe schedule like so many per week or per month or something like that.

[1:18:56] Yeah, so the idea here, yeah, I've got kind of a schedule work out on it.

[1:19:02] The idea is to get them all done before the snow flies.

[1:19:07] is some of them do take a lot more time to take them completely out and dive down the

[1:19:16] whole other's you're fairly easy.

[1:19:18] The other the only thing I'm thinking is it's I know it's extra work because you have

[1:19:21] to send me their last meet a read the new number and everything.

[1:19:25] Then I have to update them for the billing system and change the update their meters so they're

[1:19:30] staggered it's great.

[1:19:31] Yeah.

[1:19:31] You want me done before.

[1:19:32] No, we definitely need to get them done.

[1:19:34] The other thing that is going to take up time is we're

[1:19:39] going to get the Latin launch for every meter and put it into the

[1:19:45] building.

[1:19:46] And then we'll have more described.

[1:19:49] We'll know it's at about five to ten feet of where meters are

[1:19:51] so the next person that we trained to know where all the meters

[1:19:56] are out.

[1:19:57] They can go back.

[1:19:58] Did you see that the GIS is working again?

[1:20:00] Did you see that email?

[1:20:01] Yeah, yeah, I don't know what was wrong with it, but I called him after the last meeting and he

[1:20:08] So there's a letter attached to your

[1:20:15] four-member staff

[1:20:16] Nate Zillis from New Bag over in Roosevelt called me and asked about

[1:20:23] So they're doing a project and they want

[1:20:27] They want, they're requesting for water boards and stuff to submit their GIS, basically so they can make a master GIS that shows where all water lines go.

[1:20:41] And he said it's basically for training and for a visual and training and things to show to people so that they can show a full infrastructure in the basin.

[1:20:49] doesn't have anything to do with the data center does it?

[1:20:52] I don't know.

[1:20:53] I asked him, I said,

[1:20:58] I just said, is this a requirement?

[1:21:01] And he said, no, it's not a requirement.

[1:21:02] And I said, why, I said, we do,

[1:21:04] because he's like, do you guys have one?

[1:21:06] I said, yeah, we have one.

[1:21:07] It's being updated right now.

[1:21:08] But I said, I can't send you anything

[1:21:10] until I get board approval.

[1:21:12] And he's a kind of a standard,

[1:21:14] and I said, is this a requirement?

[1:21:15] Is this any kind of a state requirement or just a request?

[1:21:17] and he said, it's just a request and I said, OK, and he sent me this letter so that you guys could read it and

[1:21:24] and say

[1:21:25] see what he's explaining

[1:21:27] but it's

[1:21:30] it seems

[1:21:31] we're going to redrop the water flowing in the next five years

[1:21:36] here 100% water

[1:21:38] yeah, it's up to

[1:21:39] we don't want lots of money for our gays

[1:21:50] I'm kind of a don't share the information we don't have to.

[1:21:53] So when he said it wasn't a requirement, I was like, well,

[1:22:00] I went

[1:22:07] to a training last

[1:22:08] week at the Capitol and someone just happened to bring it up in the meeting that they asked

[1:22:14] about because it was sort of like state auditors and stuff that presented it about changing

[1:22:22] the name of your special service district and I wondered if you want to you guys want to be

[1:22:25] look into what it takes. Basic you have to go through the lieutenant governor's office,

[1:22:29] but if we wanted to change the name and actually drop the answer we're off officially

[1:22:35] or if it matters, if that's something you guys want me to look into what it would take.

[1:22:40] I hope that we go to sewer someday so I don't know that it's necessary that.

[1:22:44] Okay.

[1:22:45] There's been that way since the beginning and we can't even use it on a lot of other things

[1:22:48] would you say on a water? Right. What do you think it's necessary? I don't know.

[1:22:53] Yeah. What do you think? Well, I think it's probably more work than it's worth

[1:22:57] if, eventually, we're working toward that. We hope that the super system

[1:23:01] someday, it seems like we would.

[1:23:06] And then with DAX and bring this up, but DAX

[1:23:10] asked me for a price on a meter can to sell to Taviona out of our stock. I just

[1:23:16] We better get a vote before we sell anything to them. I think anything you the tabby wants if we have access

[1:23:21] We sell them at our cost that seem reasonable. Don't do it. Should we make some money on it?

[1:23:26] So if we sell our costs, we've already been sitting on these things for a long time. Yeah, imagine they were appreciated

[1:23:33] Okay, we did get a current price

[1:23:36] Yeah, a big placement. Yeah, so we'll start yeah, so we'll sell some replacement price that makes sense and so

[1:23:44] and we still have but $22.

[1:23:46] $22?

[1:23:46] No, cheese?

[1:23:47] When I said cost, I mean,

[1:23:48] what is cost?

[1:23:49] What is cost?

[1:23:50] We get it in the daily life.

[1:23:51] It's like it.

[1:23:52] We don't have to make my money.

[1:23:54] Like I saw it saying,

[1:23:54] I'm not going to lie to not leave you.

[1:23:57] Yeah, that's right.

[1:23:58] We've got, so,

[1:23:59] because we're getting a new building, hopefully,

[1:24:03] and we're going to have a ton of shit

[1:24:05] that doesn't have a home,

[1:24:07] and it's going to get thrown away anyway.

[1:24:08] So, those obviously won't throw away,

[1:24:11] but they're giant, and it's an asset that's just sitting there.

[1:24:16] I mean, my land and those have always said, let us be your warehouse.

[1:24:20] Well, those do take like, when did I take four months?

[1:24:24] Yeah.

[1:24:24] When he said there are four months for it out on those,

[1:24:28] so we wouldn't want to go down to nothing on those.

[1:24:30] Yeah, but we definitely don't need 22 of them.

[1:24:33] We might not want to go down to nothing on them,

[1:24:34] but if we have one on hand,

[1:24:36] Well, I mean that's probably the only thing I think is common sense and it's good management

[1:24:43] because I mean there's actually no reason why we should be sitting on those.

[1:24:48] Mountain lands will have me to us the next day.

[1:24:51] If you've got one or two for like Saturday or weekend emergencies, that was the goal and

[1:24:57] then let mountain land be our way out.

[1:24:59] Because I mean for like for instance if we're doing another expansion that needs you know

[1:25:04] 10 cans.

[1:25:05] Right. They're not going to take orders. No, so yeah. And then, like I deliver the water samples

[1:25:15] and right now I'm delivering them for us and Taviona. Yeah. Like going, well first of all,

[1:25:21] do you guys want to vote for the selling materials to Taviona if you're okay with that? So I have

[1:25:27] have a record of that. Do they want more than one?

[1:25:30] Right, that's what you're doing.

[1:25:32] Come on, fight. You want five?

[1:25:35] I propose we do.

[1:25:37] If we have access in the poor, we have to be able to sell it

[1:25:40] at our replacement cost.

[1:25:41] To make some money out of it.

[1:25:42] To the warehouse.

[1:25:43] Yeah.

[1:25:44] Yeah.

[1:25:44] I'll second it.

[1:25:49] Okay, and then, so I mentioned it to Jenny when I just ran

[1:25:54] into her post office about splitting my mileage on the days

[1:25:57] that I take both. And that would go along with like the materials. Yes.

[1:26:02] Also, tabby springs, they're willing to split mileage to whether it's

[1:26:07] mirrored. So I just wonder if we want to do something where like I charge it.

[1:26:12] It's charged on my reimbursement, but do we want to invoice them separately and

[1:26:18] then just have them pay hand of water? Then it's a reimbursement.

[1:26:21] And you're salarying and ease hourly. Is that one? Is that something you want to do?

[1:26:25] I just think it's easier for them, like if we sell materials.

[1:26:29] I'm not taking water samples in some of this stuff.

[1:26:33] Yeah, I just charge mileage when I pick it up.

[1:26:35] Before I was going to say I go back and forth,

[1:26:37] because I have clients that sell like I've got to go anyway.

[1:26:40] Right.

[1:26:41] You can take four or just not far from, you know,

[1:26:43] I've got my rental property.

[1:26:44] Yeah.

[1:26:45] So whatever, it's just trying to save time.

[1:26:48] So far it's worked out, I just reach out to DAX

[1:26:50] and say when I can take it and we've worked out.

[1:26:52] Okay.

[1:26:53] It works out so far, so I mean, you guys sort of got that, sort of got that.

[1:26:58] We just need to check with, we need to, it's just on Wendy's end, how she wants to

[1:27:04] be built.

[1:27:05] I guess that's why I'm asking, rather than having them pay me a partial of the mileage,

[1:27:10] are you guys okay if I put it on my reimbursement and then have them pay Hannah water for my,

[1:27:15] half of my mileage or now a third of the mileage, whatever that is, or do you want me to separate

[1:27:20] it and have them?

[1:27:21] It's all the same. What's easier for you because it's net net for us. It's probably easier to

[1:27:26] invoice them because then it's kind of a clean separation and also then like if they do buy

[1:27:33] the meter can I can put an invoice you know when these mileage is much and the and the materials on

[1:27:38] us invoice for them and then they just pay down a water yeah the way you'd like to do it. I think

[1:27:43] that probably be the cleanest way to make it look right. Whatever's easier for you I would suggest because

[1:27:48] don't make any more extra work for it it's the same for us the bottom line is the

[1:27:52] same. Yeah I mean it's the same I'll work really too she's the matter of

[1:27:55] cleaning the books up you're invoicing you're making two invoices

[1:28:00] anywhere you're making one from maybe instead of or one from Hannah Waters sort

[1:28:04] of yeah so I can talk to Jenny for the Taviona stuff I don't know who the

[1:28:10] contact is. Jimmy Bell and I'll get all of her information for him. Are you doing

[1:28:16] and then work up there for those guys, no?

[1:28:18] Yeah, they're up shit's Greek.

[1:28:21] What do they got five?

[1:28:23] They don't have any hookups.

[1:28:24] The problem is, is they're way out of compliance.

[1:28:30] So they're like,

[1:28:31] but I didn't know that until today.

[1:28:33] 200 plus points.

[1:28:35] Oh, yeah, I could go five or something like that.

[1:28:36] Oh geez, I don't know.

[1:28:38] I didn't know that until today,

[1:28:40] but I haven't, like,

[1:28:41] I haven't signed a contract or anything with them.

[1:28:43] I just was like, yeah, let me take a look at some things

[1:28:45] and I want to talk with Nate who's kind of my mentor or water and he was like yeah they're on the

[1:28:51] shuttle list.

[1:28:54] So do you want me to just not send the GIS information then for now?

[1:29:02] On this, on

[1:29:03] the UBAC staff, if it's not a requirement, don't give him the information.

[1:29:10] I'm using to not give him the

[1:29:12] information? I mean if we have to see if there's fish for water for sure so we don't want to get

[1:29:18] any more information needs out. And our GIS shows where all the lines are it doesn't have all the

[1:29:23] hookups. Because we're not using all our water either but that doesn't even need to let them know

[1:29:26] where I'm using all our water. Well our lease is our supposed to show that we use all our water

[1:29:31] because we lease the extra but it still makes me nervous same thing. Because I would like to make

[1:29:35] them think that we were using everything. And if they know it's going down river to someone else

[1:29:43] We're supposed to don't we have a water inventory sheet that's supposed to be filled out over here the water survey. Yeah, March 30th or yeah, I'm sorry. I'm thinking here she

[1:29:56] don't. So I did it from the furniture, you're going to think you know what it was.

[1:30:00] And then they're going to start digging into it themselves. So I don't, you know, I don't know. I don't think there's any harm of sharing information with them.

[1:30:11] And what was the, what did they say? He said they want it for like trainings. So it shows on it. He says it on the bottom of the thing. If you'd be, if you'd be interested in, we just want to know if you'd be interested in sharing the information and coming to their quarterly meeting.

[1:30:30] Well, if it's not, yeah, I mean if they're not asking as a, you know, to do then just say no, we don't have time to share information.

[1:30:40] It just says this is not a requirement issued by the state, however due to the serious lack of water and the need to share up our local area water resources.

[1:30:47] We feel that although it may not be required, it's vital and essential for our current future needs.

[1:30:52] So it does sound like they're looking for extra water to go other places.

[1:30:57] but it's a great Salt Lake in the New Data Center.

[1:31:00] They got to get 20 million gallons a day from somewhere.

[1:31:08] That's a ton of water.

[1:31:10] There's a lot of water.

[1:31:11] That's a new way, I think.

[1:31:15] Box-dollar, can I?

[1:31:17] Well, box-dollar and here.

[1:31:18] Yeah.

[1:31:19] The one here is supposed to be smaller, right?

[1:31:21] That's what I heard a lot about this thing.

[1:31:25] So no, don't send it for now.

[1:31:29] it's it's a double-leg sword because they also they could be a resource to help

[1:31:33] us save it you know if we're part of their coalition if you will then we

[1:31:38] maybe have people to help support us from them trying to take the water away from

[1:31:42] us but unless they're trying to take it yeah and they're not gonna tell you to do it

[1:31:48] yeah and so it's kind of just like that thing over on 40 yeah but those guys over

[1:31:53] there is like they came out with no information they wanted all the

[1:31:58] water and weren't willing to do anything to improve our infrastructure and then they

[1:32:03] said that they are just going to get water I would start with something like this to

[1:32:09] say they would put this together put all this stuff together and they could see where it's

[1:32:13] available right so I would be nervous given them anything I would be nice and say it will bring

[1:32:19] to the board and we think we can pull something together the next year or so I mean we're

[1:32:23] We're not going to do so now.

[1:32:25] We just fire our head to chairman of the board.

[1:32:27] So I don't know some of that.

[1:32:29] So hold on to it for now.

[1:32:30] But you have to point it out so we need to go.

[1:32:32] This says a staff member and a board member

[1:32:36] to attend their board meeting.

[1:32:37] I saw that.

[1:32:38] And that's what I've been trying to do all night.

[1:32:40] I like a staff member and a board member to go.

[1:32:42] So the board feels like they're doing something.

[1:32:44] Yeah.

[1:32:45] I think that would be good to go and attend this

[1:32:48] and find out some information before we share.

[1:32:52] and then just say yeah we're willing to do it we don't have all that

[1:32:54] information yet but we'll send a board member and a staff member to your

[1:32:58] meetings and maybe get information from them. Yeah I think it has a schedule

[1:33:02] anywhere. I didn't see anything on here and it's not in like the body of the

[1:33:07] email that he sent before that so they're friendly back and just

[1:33:10] just as quarterly meetings. Right. I'll ask about the meeting schedule. Yeah I think

[1:33:18] I think that would be the way to go, attend that, see what's going on in your field.

[1:33:23] And then just say you're always happy to give you the information as it comes back.

[1:33:27] Okay, the last thing is the impact fees, same thing kind of given some misinformation.

[1:33:40] So we charge so much for a hook up and then we put so much into it as a hook up fee and

[1:33:45] and then so much into it as an impact fee.

[1:33:48] And the way I was trained about impact fees is,

[1:33:51] as long as you show that that money's going back into your system, you can charge impact fees.

[1:33:55] So we went through the increase, increased it to $15,000.

[1:34:00] But now I'm finding out it can't be for any kind of operations and maintenance.

[1:34:04] It has to be specifically to a project.

[1:34:09] To be able to charge anything above the cost of all the components of a meter.

[1:34:15] install and the labor and everything else so I'm I have I've talked to again I've

[1:34:24] talked to multiple people and it's all Utah code so it's like 40 pages of

[1:34:29] here's what you can charge impact fees for but if you could get me like a list of

[1:34:36] every component that could potentially go into a meter install so we so I can get

[1:34:42] the total with cost if you have it, if not all, look parts up or whatever, but every single thing

[1:34:47] and then I'll add in like Rusty's and like a couple hours of your time on it. So if we can get

[1:34:53] anything that could potentially go into it for a cost and then we have to do it, I have to do an

[1:35:00] impact and they've changed it the last year in at the end of 2024 and that's why it's an issue now.

[1:35:05] You have to do an impact fee report and it has to show where you use the funds exactly and if you still have the funds in your account what they're going to what they're earmarked for any interest that you've gained on that amount and and I don't know.

[1:35:25] Do we have samples of other people because so they so they gave me at that training

[1:35:31] I went to last week and just so you know on that training they it's a compliance training and I actually got an email

[1:35:37] It said board members have asked to come to this and we just want to make sure you guys know this is not a board member training

[1:35:41] This is only for clerks and other things, but that they gave me some references at that. That was just this last week and

[1:35:50] there is a

[1:35:52] A lady there that she's like, I know this is horrible, but she put up a spreadsheet as a potential example.

[1:36:00] But she's supposed to be sending me an example for a water company because it was like a whole city thing,

[1:36:06] so it showed road stuff, everything.

[1:36:07] Is there public information?

[1:36:08] Could we just find it like the impact fee stuff?

[1:36:10] Like who's charging 30 grand for, for, for, uh, because I didn't do those.

[1:36:16] Is it, is there a debate I would have been?

[1:36:18] So I don't know if it's that they can prove they have enough projects to take the difference and I told them I said

[1:36:25] Well, we've been doing this expansion for four years now almost like I can show for four years that we put all this stuff in

[1:36:31] It took more of our operators time. It's taking more my time

[1:36:33] We can put that in and he's like, okay, so you should be good

[1:36:37] But you know how people ask me pretty exact so we can show that we need to expand but we can't we know when we can afford to and I told them

[1:36:44] I told him that as well.

[1:36:45] I said, we're in a position and it was a guy from the state and I said, we have such

[1:36:48] a large area and so so few hookups to be able to expand it all.

[1:36:53] We can't just charge cost or we'll never have enough money to help additional customers.

[1:36:58] And he's like, yeah, I get that.

[1:37:01] Can we use like our fill station?

[1:37:03] I don't know.

[1:37:04] I'm going to ask her that.

[1:37:05] Because we're trying to say those that can't, we can't get to a line to them.

[1:37:08] They can still come fill up.

[1:37:10] We're trying to get, we're trying to keep clean water as many people as we can.

[1:37:12] So the lady I talked to at the training that works for the state that's over the impact

[1:37:17] fees.

[1:37:18] She's supposed to send me some more information and then I asked her once I get that information

[1:37:22] if we could have a call and kind of go over some of the options.

[1:37:24] Because I called Utah, they gave me a referral at Utah Association of Special Districts who

[1:37:29] helps with it.

[1:37:30] And I was like, is there anything that shows like a list?

[1:37:34] Like I've got 40 pages of Utah code on impact fees.

[1:37:37] Is there anything that says, you know, water companies can use it for this or anything

[1:37:41] that consolidates this seems like we need to be able to justify it seems reasonable because it's

[1:37:46] weird that you can't maintain the lines with that yeah because we can't do it on monthly building

[1:37:50] and I told him that I said I was told when I asked about impact fees because for a while I thought

[1:37:56] we were going to be able to stop reporting impact fees because he called me last year told me all

[1:38:02] about it and then he says your impact fee he called me because our impact fee report and I said well

[1:38:07] I think I just need to fill out the documentation to say we don't need to do an impact fee report.

[1:38:12] I think the way he explained it, I don't have to.

[1:38:14] And then he's like, well, what about this is this and I was like,

[1:38:16] because we're also required to have a second source of water in another tank.

[1:38:20] Can we use that?

[1:38:21] I hope so.

[1:38:23] Because we need to do that.

[1:38:24] I guess I'm kind of just giving you guys a heads up that this is like.

[1:38:28] I don't know.

[1:38:29] They did tell me if you can't justify it, you need to refund the difference.

[1:38:32] And I was like, we are going to be in a full position.

[1:38:35] Let's make sure we justify it, but it seems like we got to be able to justify it.

[1:38:39] We're such a, we're exactly the role model of they need to help us out, try to get fresh

[1:38:44] water to pee.

[1:38:44] Yeah, but I just so you know a lot somewhere I've been working on.

[1:38:48] So I'm supposed to be, like I said, I'll get that report from her that's actually specific

[1:38:52] to a water company to give me some ideas of the potential of how to do the report and some

[1:38:59] of the things we can contribute our impact to these four.

[1:39:06] but yeah, I it's kind of a work in progress until we figure out what we can charge for and I've

[1:39:12] made it I've started making a list and I talked to the girl about it at the meeting and I said well

[1:39:16] here's some of the stuff we've been working on and she said yeah you just got to get amounts and

[1:39:20] submit it and say that's what they were going for. Well I suggest that we say we're going to expand

[1:39:24] into this area when we get enough money and then pick an area. That's yeah and they just say I

[1:39:29] somewhere as a point man that basically says that you just need to have a plan in place.

[1:39:34] So we have a plan to expand into whatever subdivision doesn't have that.

[1:39:38] Well the filling station might be.

[1:39:40] The filling station seems to be the first one I have here.

[1:39:42] We're already engineered to go up blind string, like that's on our GIS.

[1:39:48] It was actually shown that it was there and then they realized they didn't end up putting

[1:39:51] them in.

[1:39:51] But yeah, it goes up to the end.

[1:39:53] So we're going to say we've already got this plan in place.

[1:39:55] Does that make sense?

[1:39:56] Same thing with going up further up North Fork.

[1:39:59] We've got the 8-inch line that serves Phoenix.

[1:40:01] What's our master plan, Staya?

[1:40:03] That guy has, the guy at BlindStream has asked me about the possibility of going up there.

[1:40:07] And he said he would probably buy four or five hookups.

[1:40:11] And then he says, and probably think the next development might go in.

[1:40:13] Yeah.

[1:40:15] North Fork's a good one.

[1:40:16] We've got an 8-inch line that serves as one customer there.

[1:40:19] That's a win.

[1:40:21] Nice.

[1:40:24] Then I would say BlindStream eventually is going to be,

[1:40:27] because there's going to be power going up there this year.

[1:40:30] Well, there's still a ton of good tabby on tabby road going up there,

[1:40:35] where we just finished that project.

[1:40:37] Where we stopped.

[1:40:37] I think that guy wants to develop...

[1:40:40] At Tabby Swell, you know.

[1:40:41] 20 something homes up there.

[1:40:43] Yeah, there's Tabby Swell,

[1:40:45] and there's on top of the tabby mountain, too.

[1:40:48] Who is it that wants to on Tabby Mountain?

[1:40:50] I don't know his name.

[1:40:52] Is it the guy with all the property right above it?

[1:40:54] Yeah,

[1:40:56] it was.

[1:40:56] Because when we call them and we're like hey we can go into your properties like nope

[1:41:00] I got all the water I need I don't want I don't want anything

[1:41:05] Maybe it's hit hard times now you realize and you get a cell some property off because he wouldn't sign an easement

[1:41:09] Or anything to have it go up further to access his property. He said I've got so much friends on my property

[1:41:14] I don't ever need water

[1:41:17] But I didn't I hadn't heard anything about him developing it so

[1:41:28] Actually, I'm a little bit underwhelmed with our booster station, because you can't go over

[1:41:33] 125, and that's still my home's place that gets water, like two years' door.

[1:41:42] That's it. That's as far as we can push up the hills online.

[1:41:47] It's good. It works really good for that area, and I mean, the primary use of it, I think,

[1:41:54] could be fire suppression but that's like okay so what's the PSI when it gets to

[1:42:00] his house? That's where we're at. It's just barely.

[1:42:06] He's got like six at his door what

[1:42:10] he's fine with because he's like well yeah I think he's like a master plumber so

[1:42:15] that I'm fine putting a booster right here right here in my house. I thought he'd

[1:42:21] least have 60? No, that sucks. But we also have, you know, we don't, I'm kind of

[1:42:32] thinking that the way it was engineered was for expansion. So I'm wondering

[1:42:37] that once the expansion heads, we can turn, turn it up, get the flow going a

[1:42:42] little more. So because right now we're limited on the flow too. Nobody's drying

[1:42:47] water. Right.

[1:42:53] There's a few areas that I think it's coming. We'll suggest if we

[1:42:58] they will let us use the field station then figure out an area that we want

[1:43:01] to develop into and then let's come up with a plan to say we got to get enough

[1:43:04] money so we can come up into this area. Okay. Blind streams. Blind streams.

[1:43:11] And I it's so it's Shane Rowan's dad opens that property right before the Indian

[1:43:17] I land cattle garden.

[1:43:19] Yeah, I haven't ever seen a room.

[1:43:21] House up.

[1:43:21] Well, there's a couple of curvy ones up there.

[1:43:25] Yeah, there's like a trailer home or something.

[1:43:27] There were that crazy fence in archway.

[1:43:30] The American with the DNR guy hanging from the pole.

[1:43:35] That's on chains.

[1:43:36] That's curvy.

[1:43:37] Oh, that's curvy.

[1:43:37] Yeah.

[1:43:39] And he'll lose it for the time.

[1:43:41] Okay.

[1:43:42] I know the fire there's 25 and not been tabby just cutting out dead wood. We're in about

[1:43:49] fires this year. So our system will help there. Yeah, that's all

[1:44:00] I had. Okay, did anything?

[1:44:05] I'm good. Right.

[1:44:10] We can take 25 minutes.

[1:44:14] We're doing it before. I just had tried to do

[1:44:18] investment seems like I had to get in. No, I would like to revisit this. I think it's

[1:44:24] necessary whether or not. I was trying to do it for any board, not me or for any board.

[1:44:32] Delineate, peace and charge and how it flows because somebody else would be able to make

[1:44:37] the decision and then like I'm the guy to guy that said here's what I think and I'll fight

[1:44:41] against it but once the decision's like I'm along with it. I'll just say let's make

[1:44:45] got and but somebody needs to make that decision and it's got it right now it's

[1:44:49] chair you know chairman or director but we just need to figure out who's job

[1:44:55] that is and then everybody and what I get these other ones not to try to divide

[1:45:00] All of us didn't need to go to all of this, by prince, that, not the meeting, and one of us go. You know, not all of us. Yeah, and just somebody's in charge of procedures and rules. Instead of everybody trying to research it and figure out how the vote goes, for example, or one, you know, the treasurer, secretary, treasurer out at help with the budget and then sign all those documents and operations, helping DAX. If we have somebody the DAX can call and say, hey, what do you think on this one? Somebody to talk to instead of waiting till we only meet once a month.

[1:45:29] Well, yeah, that I was using Timmy for that because I could call Tim and be like, hey, I'm looking for him in this.

[1:45:35] So I thought Wendy doesn't know everything about location.

[1:45:39] And she salaries, so she shouldn't have to do it all.

[1:45:41] You know, she should be able to take care of her side and the operator ought to be someone on the board help out.

[1:45:47] And then the board, we made a decision, if it's under a certain number, then you can just do it.

[1:45:51] If not, then if it's emergency, be able to call around.

[1:45:55] So we need to do this.

[1:45:57] So that was kind of the point of the doll and what the duties are because it seems like

[1:46:01] Wendy's your duties are never ending here and you're on everything.

[1:46:06] I didn't realize before, I thought it was more of a clerk and we just hired some, and then

[1:46:12] you did have a necessity, did everything.

[1:46:16] But I thought is that fair to you?

[1:46:18] And then shouldn't somebody else and maybe the board shouldn't do it because they're not

[1:46:21] paid, but they had to do something.

[1:46:23] and that was my only point,

[1:46:26] but I'm not sure where to go with it now.

[1:46:27] That was the direction, you know,

[1:46:30] the others on the board,

[1:46:32] they wanted to feel like they were part of something.

[1:46:35] You know, that was a whole thing

[1:46:37] is they just come here once a month being talked to

[1:46:40] and then being dismissed, you know,

[1:46:43] that's when we started doing the projects

[1:46:45] and hey, can't would you be willing to do this

[1:46:47] and this and this.

[1:46:48] I mean, it seemed like a good direction.

[1:46:50] So you're spot on with your flow chart, but whatever the flow chart is, maybe the director's up there and then above the chairman.

[1:46:59] I don't know.

[1:47:00] You know, because it seems like and then maybe that ought to be a full-time position or a W2 or something.

[1:47:05] Because right now as an independent contractor, you can fire them at will.

[1:47:09] You know, there's no security there.

[1:47:12] And so it's almost like if Larry or the chairman and the clerk can't get along then the clerk needs to be fired and get another clerk or

[1:47:19] or the chairman needs to resign, something,

[1:47:23] but we didn't even know how it worked.

[1:47:25] Yeah, I still don't know.

[1:47:27] But it makes more sense that if that's the director,

[1:47:30] then I look at her in a whole different position.

[1:47:31] I've looked at it as that's the clerk.

[1:47:34] And why do we burden her with all this stuff?

[1:47:36] And she's can't sign for Hannah, because she's a clerk.

[1:47:38] She's not even an employee of her work.

[1:47:44] And then like, are we a 501C3?

[1:47:48] What are we do tax returns? I haven't seen any. We don't. Do we need to? No. No, not on the 1099. It's just one. No, I'm saying water. No, the special service district does not do.

[1:47:59] Do they have any important requirements? I mean, we do budgets instead, but we don't really follow on. Well, the state requires that you send them your budgets.

[1:48:07] Yeah. When we went down the St. George's, they were saying, yeah, we were waiting to get out. I didn't know we wrote it. Yeah.

[1:48:14] So I was just trying to just organize it better just so everybody knew where they sat. Who do I answer to?

[1:48:21] I thought I answered the Larry, but maybe I answered it wasn't me. I don't know

[1:48:24] That's my point because I was completely confused. I don't know. I don't know what the chart is

[1:48:30] So that's why I thought we ought to have a chart and

[1:48:36] Maybe these two ought to be employees rather than independent contractors. They really do work for us

[1:48:41] But they're independent, so he works for tab two and somebody else, and I don't know, do you have any other jobs?

[1:48:46] It's the only one.

[1:48:47] No, I don't know.

[1:48:47] Mom?

[1:48:48] Yeah.

[1:48:49] Well, the thing is also, you start looking at going from 10 to 99 to regular employees.

[1:48:55] Now, you're talking insurance and quarterly mobility.

[1:48:59] Quarterly tax returns.

[1:49:00] Which we did do for Dixie, and she was...

[1:49:03] She was W2?

[1:49:04] Yeah.

[1:49:06] Well, I didn't switch.

[1:49:07] When we started, it was me and Melissa Hughes.

[1:49:10] and they just said, you know, while you're part-time,

[1:49:14] how do you guys want to do it?

[1:49:15] And we both said we didn't care.

[1:49:16] And they just decided on $10.99.

[1:49:18] It wasn't really.

[1:49:19] It's easier, but it does not allow security for you.

[1:49:22] I mean, because the $10.99 employee can be fired away.

[1:49:24] I mean, where an employee you've got to have records

[1:49:27] and, you know, annual reviews,

[1:49:29] we've never done an annual review on anybody.

[1:49:31] So nobody does a review.

[1:49:34] And like you're being at me, even said,

[1:49:36] I'm not tripping on Brandy, he just said,

[1:49:38] yeah, he just liked motivation.

[1:49:39] He really didn't do anything because when he got hurt he didn't have anything that he said he was gonna have done

[1:49:45] like in the fouries and drop description and you know weekly salary or weekly

[1:49:50] uh things to do just in the schedule so no one and he didn't answer to anybody so no one knew I

[1:49:58] thought we should have more organization they had to answer to somebody like Daxa to say here's my

[1:50:03] hours Larry and Larry looks at him goes okay sign up on him so it shouldn't have to do

[1:50:08] Yeah, but it did rent being no and it seemed like I just want you to

[1:50:14] Well, then you questioned hours and like that, you know, you should be questioning it and maybe it maybe you should question it

[1:50:22] I don't know a director probably would but a clerk probably would that was my point, right? I don't know who's in charge

[1:50:28] No, so I was hoping to say and it would be better for everybody if they like here's how the flow goes

[1:50:35] This person is the buck stops here and they make the decision right around.

[1:50:40] We have a discussion, we do a vote but the board's vote, you know, and the vote and it should

[1:50:46] be.

[1:50:46] And it said bring it to the table and then, like Wendy, we already said, I got to bring

[1:50:51] this to the board.

[1:50:52] I can't make that decision, like on whether we forgive grants loans, grants loans or projects.

[1:51:01] Bring it to the board, the board discussions and the board makes a decision and the board

[1:51:04] has a use. There's before we had no use. We just came and heard what was going on like all right

[1:51:10] and then you were happy because you thought you know you felt the same way like you felt the

[1:51:18] contention and you wanted to quit all the time and you know board members come and go we never

[1:51:24] had a vote you know when somebody came on or just came on we did I thought we had to have some

[1:51:28] at least way that a new board member came on board you know bring a resume have a discussion try to

[1:51:34] I feel in need and then talk about it.

[1:51:36] But then there was the other board members,

[1:51:37] the vote of men, we've never had any public vote.

[1:51:41] I give.

[1:51:41] Well, is it a public vote or is it a privilege

[1:51:43] for getting the board members?

[1:51:44] A name for a member.

[1:51:46] Not when you appoint and is for, I believe it is for election.

[1:51:49] For election.

[1:51:50] But not when you appoint, because that's why I'm saying

[1:51:52] we've done it in the meetings,

[1:51:54] but it should be done through the Canada Commission.

[1:51:56] So that's why the Canada C steps.

[1:51:58] And that's why I kept asking,

[1:51:59] I've never met the Canada Commission.

[1:52:00] Have you met the Canada Commission?

[1:52:02] Once.

[1:52:02] He basically approves whether or not everybody on the board should know who he is

[1:52:09] Well, there's for the county is one of them in charge of us or I thought there was but there's no

[1:52:15] There so there can be one assigned we have one specifically for the library board

[1:52:20] That would be easier. We haven't requested that. I did talk with Jeff this month about what to do and he said get your

[1:52:28] bylaws go through that figure out and he's willing to help us with whatever we need.

[1:52:34] We just need more information. That's why we buy laws.

[1:52:37] You have a copy of them. I gave mine to Kim, because she should have.

[1:52:46] But we should have with you those. I mean, we brought it up a lot of time when we get all

[1:52:49] through the buyout. Yeah. I've sent to have a bunch of them to serve under our money to

[1:52:55] I had a call from a game with somebody.

[1:52:57] I gave mine to Kim, so I had one at one point.

[1:53:01] But I thought they, but we didn't seem to go by it.

[1:53:04] You know, we didn't seem to.

[1:53:05] It didn't, it doesn't have a lot of information

[1:53:07] in that, yeah.

[1:53:07] I'm sorry.

[1:53:08] Somebody would have a whim of bringing somebody on board,

[1:53:11] just like Deb and me and, you know, Ben Pokak wanted,

[1:53:14] he wanted to quit and he wanted to bring somebody,

[1:53:16] he just didn't want to leave.

[1:53:18] Because he'd been here for a while.

[1:53:19] He said I want somebody that will probably take this

[1:53:21] and take it serious and try hard and do a good job.

[1:53:24] And so then when he put I didn't know about that until later

[1:53:28] That's just what I think it's always been and they just never been

[1:53:33] Well like Cecil quick and pretty son on

[1:53:36] But the sun's standing right there and it's like kind of hard to not vote for

[1:53:40] The chairman not calls for a vote and there's Roger

[1:53:44] Cecil he are two secretaries. How did he bring it to the board?

[1:53:48] I never knew that till I'd been here for like a year

[1:53:51] Well, they had, they'd all seen the resumes, but they didn't actually take it to a vote.

[1:53:55] And then after I was here for a year, they're like, yeah, he hired you.

[1:53:58] I don't know if I've talked to anybody.

[1:54:00] I hate to see it, you know, the Larry Lee and the Brown Lee, and it's, I mean, like,

[1:54:07] me and Wendy, I think we showed up at the same night.

[1:54:09] It was May of 2021.

[1:54:11] And it was just like, I mean, that night, I wanted me to be a chairperson, and I'm doing

[1:54:17] that.

[1:54:17] I don't know, so we just went on board members, but it should be nicer, it should be friendlier,

[1:54:27] it should be where I'm working towards it.

[1:54:28] We should know, that's why I don't know what the heck I'm going to be supposed to be

[1:54:37] doing.

[1:54:38] That's my point too.

[1:54:39] I didn't know either.

[1:54:41] So when me and Tammy were supposed to approve for Brent Bayon, I think it only happened

[1:54:46] like twice.

[1:54:48] Well, I can be in the CPA and having done budgets before, I felt I felt I was tricking

[1:54:54] my response field by not getting the budget in and going over it and making sure it's

[1:54:57] right and signing and going.

[1:54:58] But I never did.

[1:54:59] I apparently signed it.

[1:55:01] I still remember doing it.

[1:55:03] I always felt guilty that I'm not doing it because I do have a master's in accounting and

[1:55:08] I can do it.

[1:55:09] I've done several, but I'm not going to hear it.

[1:55:11] So I don't feel like they're using my abilities.

[1:55:16] And I know Wendy, you're busy.

[1:55:17] You've got tons of things to do.

[1:55:18] And you've got kids and take care of all too many things.

[1:55:21] And so sometimes, like me, I work to deadlines.

[1:55:24] If it's due tomorrow, I'm working on it today.

[1:55:27] But sometimes I don't do it a few weeks ahead

[1:55:29] and I was trying to help out there.

[1:55:31] Again, that's what I'm, the point is,

[1:55:33] I would be nice if we could come on and say,

[1:55:35] Okay, here's who's in charge, board out the votes on it, but you're a clerk, but you're not a clerk, really.

[1:55:44] Well, to be honest with you, I was never given a title.

[1:55:46] I mean, I think the job description said Hannah Water Secretary.

[1:55:50] The clerk is just what I was called on piece paper and that kind of way that I was never given a title.

[1:55:56] The clerks are in a different situation.

[1:55:58] The clerk asked somebody they don't have to have all that stress and they don't have to do all that and they don't make the decisions.

[1:56:02] They don't have to figure out all the funding and go to the county commissioner and figure out the bugs.

[1:56:07] That's not a clerks job.

[1:56:09] No clerk I've ever had to have that job.

[1:56:12] But then if you're going to appoint a board member or some of them else, then that board members are probably beginning to take.

[1:56:20] If you take and give that one person the responsibility, then the other board members are going to say,

[1:56:28] Well, I need to get paid also. I put a lot of time into it. So you're kind of like you're saying really you almost need to have that

[1:56:37] second

[1:56:38] position paid

[1:56:39] It almost seems like it because if you said I'll give you 50 bucks a month with five minutes worth of my work

[1:56:45] To do put up with this and then come for three hour or hours and you don't have any sense responsibility

[1:56:51] You know, so that's why I don't want to be paid really. I wanted just but I want to be useful. Right

[1:56:58] And if you need an accountant, that's usually where I get one of the invited to the party.

[1:57:03] Is if somebody needs an accountant, or someone they can put a financial statement together,

[1:57:07] do a tax return.

[1:57:08] Yeah.

[1:57:09] Like, I'm the H.O.A. President now, because they said, yeah, the H.O.A. don't do a tax return.

[1:57:14] Like, yes, about 120 H.O.A.

[1:57:17] Or it's a tax return.

[1:57:18] You're just not compliant.

[1:57:20] So, they voted me as a president.

[1:57:22] Now we have an 8-11-20 and then all the, you know, like, champion, he wanted to, he

[1:57:28] was bragging about how much money we made, like, it's tax-blank him and it's not part

[1:57:32] of the H-oyce and now we got to pay tax on that.

[1:57:34] So now we're really out of compliance, because most of them just have a bank account, they

[1:57:38] don't make anything and then there's no taxes to it.

[1:57:41] But if you make something, now there's tax to do, because it's not really a business.

[1:57:45] But I didn't really do anything here.

[1:57:47] Okay.

[1:57:49] I didn't have anybody or I didn't bring this up are you guys willing to sign the engineering agreement did you guys look at that?

[1:57:56] Any more after you made the updates and added the V schedule? Did you have any?

[1:58:02] I think we left it in a good spot.

[1:58:08] So, do you recommend nation sign it?

[1:58:11] I would sign it.

[1:58:13] I second it.

[1:58:14] Can I first sign it?

[1:58:18] I'm no longer there.

[1:58:19] I can't sign it.

[1:58:21] Sign it.

[1:58:23] You're on the board.

[1:58:27] It's right there.

[1:58:33] Can we build a good bridge?

[1:58:35] Yeah.

[1:58:37] Well, those were not ours, but we just, I'm, but, too, though, they just put it.

[1:58:42] It's the Horox.

[1:58:43] It's a contract, it's an annual.

[1:58:48] Yeah, we haven't changed it to a one year.

[1:58:50] One year contract that Horax will be our engineers for the next year.

[1:58:53] Should be fired.

[1:58:55] We got them to, you know, we had that stern discussion with them and I think they've been

[1:59:00] doing better since then.

[1:59:02] You know, when they brought up some really horrible plans and they're overbilling us.

[1:59:07] I was not happy with what they did and they were better.

[1:59:13] And I think that I think they're doing a good job.

[1:59:15] You want to I do think that they're there are an asset of good value to Hannah.

[1:59:23] So I would try to, you know, work it out and stay with them as long as you can.

[1:59:28] But we're seeing all of us.

[1:59:30] Huh?

[1:59:30] You gotta keep them.

[1:59:31] You gotta keep them.

[1:59:33] Every building should have been in.

[1:59:36] In my opinion, it should be.

[1:59:38] Groundwork.

[1:59:39] It should be that.

[1:59:41] That's immediately being constructed.

[1:59:43] At least they wrote down they're going to have a meeting

[1:59:45] with contractors here Friday.

[1:59:47] Yeah, Friday at 1 o'clock is the pre-bid meeting

[1:59:49] for any contractors interested in bidding.

[1:59:51] So hopefully we'll get some contractors interested in.

[1:59:54] So they're moving.

[1:59:55] Well, the whole meeting at the side?

[1:59:59] No, you're meeting.

[2:00:00] I think the tally building. Where the, right? I thought he put the park building on the park building, but I don't. Yes. Oh, this is park building. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's okay. So this, yeah, one o'clock, I'm sorry. Did you did you get the invite? Oh, okay. Yeah. No, we're part building. I was looking where it was. He said the site is going to garbage. That is supposed to get delivered this week, I think.

[2:00:30] He said he's had four to five contractors show interest and request a pre-bid packet, and then I sent him another one today that asked me about it.

[2:00:39] So hopefully we'll have five or six contractors show up to bid it.

[2:00:42] He said there's quite a bit of interest.

[2:00:44] I was talking to him for quite a while today.

[2:00:47] Yeah, go have fun.

[2:00:48] things. It's a good ship. I mean there's not a lot to it. Just the groundwork and the groundwork

[2:00:55] we're not going to need to bring in maybe six inches of minus for the concrete. You know, it should

[2:01:02] go pretty quick. Yeah, the decent size crew goes out faster. Yeah. And then the interior stuff

[2:01:11] shouldn't take more than a couple weeks. There's not that much going on the inside of the building.

[2:01:17] So yeah, it should be interesting meeting on Friday.

[2:01:24] Hopefully it goes well.

[2:01:25] Okay.

[2:01:26] Thank you.

[2:01:27] Thanks.

[2:01:28] What's that?

[2:01:30] What's that?

[2:01:31] What are your journeys and meetings?

[2:01:33] The meetings.

[2:01:35] Thanks for coming today.

[2:01:37] Although I know you're in pain.

[2:01:39] See you over the back.

[2:01:40] I'm fine.

[2:01:41] I just gotta get my whole body moving.

[2:01:43] Yeah, he's going to lose it, you know.

[2:01:50] All right, thanks.

[2:01:58] Great.

[2:01:59] Welcome to the professor.

[2:02:06] A quick answer.

[2:02:09] Stick with her.

[2:02:10] No, I've been doing it.

[2:02:13] What?

May 2026 Board Meeting Agenda

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