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the public hearing for the adoption of
final budget fiscal year 2627.
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Any discussion on that?
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» Certainly discussed it quite a bit.
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Any public comment
on the year's budget? Fiscal year's
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budget.
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Doing everything right.
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Look at it.
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[snorts]
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Nothing's been changed.
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Um there's been some minor changes.
Um not very much though. Like for
[1:03]
example in uh my department in the
general fund.
[1:08]
Uh I reduced office supplies by 1,500
and then reallocated that to other
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areas. Uh so like for example legal I
had the wrong amount or the annual
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amount um for attorney fees. So I
updated that to the correct one. And
[1:24]
then like facilities, they decreased
that by $1,000 as well uh for
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professional services to make up for
that. And just a few other line items.
[1:34]
Most of the changes that were made were
um to update for property taxes. So
[1:39]
whatever we had decided during those
budget meetings that the property tax
[1:42]
number needed to be, it was updating to
that to that number. So like general
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fund
uh the final budgeted property taxes for
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that fund was uh
uh $393,182.
[1:59]
[clears throat] And then I did increase
a few of the other personal property
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taxes, marijuana, etc. Um
[clears throat] just more closely align
[2:07]
with like marijuana, for example, we got
almost a little over 21,000 this year.
[2:12]
So I updated that number. And then uh
principle and interest on the liquid
[2:16]
taxes. Uh we've had quite a bit more
than the 6,500 that I budgeted for the
[2:22]
last few years. So I just bumped up that
number as well.
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Um
and then another one for example in
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public safety we had talked about more
training services for the officers. Uh
[2:36]
so that number was increased to 6,000.
um
[2:44]
office operating supply, excuse me, was
decreased and then professional services
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was increased uh $5,000.
[2:54]
[clears throat] Uh just some minor
changes here and there and those were
[2:57]
mostly the two that got adjusted. Uh, I
guess the one last thing is I did in the
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general fund on page
20, well it says 27 to 131
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um the transfers out. So [clears throat]
to make the public safety fund balance
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for the year as far as budgeted numbers
go, I did have to increase that transfer
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to public safety by $100,000.
Um
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that doesn't mean we have to transfer
that amount during the year. It just
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authorizes us to transfer up to 250,000.
Um but to make that budget work, I had
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to put that budget for that transfer so
that our cash reserves didn't show as
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negative in the public safety fund.
Okay. So that was probably the biggest
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change made from our last uh meeting
until
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And then as far as mill levies go,
[clears throat]
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um
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the permissive medical is what we had
discussed previously
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at uh
41.5 mills um which generates about
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145,000
in revenue for the year. Uh general fund
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general fund is 110.68 68 mill
comprehensive insurance is 10.45
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uh public safety is 51.45
Ps is 13.6 and group health was also
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13.6
a total of 241.28
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28 mills for fiscal year 2627.
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[clears throat] And then landfill fees,
like we discussed during the budgeting
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process, since we lost the some of our
other revenue sources for the landfill,
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those fees were increased approximately
5% from last year.
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[clears throat]
>> But we're expecting an overall decrease
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in income from the landfill this year
due to that. just because of the fixed
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contract that we no longer have, you
know,
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Any
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[snorts]
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other questions or comments?
>> What's that?
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» He answered everything that I
>> Any other questions?
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» I'd make a motion to close.
>> Yeah. We'll we um go ahead and close the
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public hearing on that and we'll start
up the regular council meeting at 6:30.
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6:20.
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» Okay. We'll call the meeting to order.
You can stand for the pledge.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
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justice for all.
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» Thank you. We're moving to roll call.
Mayor's here. Steven Hopes
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» here.
>> George Twin
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» here.
>> Clayton Greer
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» here.
>> Jeremy Krebs
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» here. Uh Chris Sharp is out tonight. and
AJ Espinosa here.
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All right, we [clears throat] move into
the council meeting minutes of uh August
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18th, 2026. There's one uh one
correction that Angela pointed out on
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page two of four down the last little
line before the last paragraph. I will
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not be out of town September 1st. It's
supposed to be the first meeting in
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October
>> first meeting.
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» So yeah, that'll they'll make that
correct. But so if there's a motion it
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could be made with that correction.
>> Well, that motion not be gone today.
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» Yeah.
>> The motion we accept the minutes with
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that change in the
>> Okay. Any other
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» second?
>> Second. Okay. Moved and seconded. accept
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the motion with the change just that
that mayor will be here uh will be not
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in attendance on uh in the first meeting
of October rather than first meeting in
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September. Any other discussion on that?
>> Okay, those in favor say I.
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» I.
>> Those opposed, same sign. Okay, motion
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carries. uh finance budget committee
meeting also August 18th 26
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approved
>> second it okay it's been a motion and
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approved or seconded to um to approve
the budget finance committee of August
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18th 26 any further discussion
in favor say I
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» those opposed
motion carries and then landfill
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committee meeting for August 18th, 26.
Any additions or corrections there?
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» Motion to approve.
>> Second.
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» Okay. It's been moved and seconded to
approve the landfill committee meeting
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minutes August 18th, 26. Any further
discussion? Those in favor say I.
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» I.
>> Those opposed? [snorts]
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» Okay. Motion carries. I'll move into
claims.
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I make [clears throat] an a motion to
approve claims 34209
[8:51]
to 34278
excluding uh claim 34222
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at this time
uh brought up by Mr. coin and for a
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dollar total amount of uh do we have to
do the
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» math
>> math? Math.
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» Was it just $150 though? [clears throat]
>> 150. Yeah. So $102,19847
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minus $150. [cough]
Sorry.
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» So it's the Yeah. So it's the it's the
$150 portion of that.
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» Correct.
>> Just just the $150 portion of that claim
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cuz the total claim was more, right?
>> 2500. Okay. All right. It's been moved
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and seconded to approve
>> Oh, sorry.
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» I have another question on claim number
34223
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from uh Daily Engineering.
[clears throat]
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There was a a letter attached to that.
I'd like to read it. Attached is the
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July invoice for the city of Hardy
Harden wastewater treatment plan
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projects. On of note, Staley has held
our current efforts for the uh
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construction engineering and grant
portion of this project.
[10:06]
Additional time procuring more funding
[snorts] for the project following the
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bid openings as well as significant
amounts of time responding to the RFIs
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have contributed to budget shortfalls.
We anticipate having some additional
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money left in the inspection phase and
we will have a uh conversation with the
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funding agency to see if some of the
contingency funds can be used to cover
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this overage.
Do we have an explanation?
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» So what what Dax stated um
on that letter was original contract was
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for
this much time of us doing answering uh
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requests for information, doing grants
and budgeting. There's been so much
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additional stuff go into this project
because of other things that have
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happened like um we had to reduce those
project costs. We had to put more time
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into the budget into grants management
and things like that that we've
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exhausted what we originally contracted.
[11:18]
So there's money in the project
available at some point hopefully and
[11:24]
but we don't have any more contract
contract money
[11:28]
» contract dollars for what for project
management available to us in that line
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item
>> and we didn't foresee this when we
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started the project that I mean we when
we started the project we knew we were
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reducing from the original project to a
different
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» we were already under contract
>> for the big project.
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» Yeah.
>> Okay.
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» A couple years prior to that.
>> So, no, there was no way to anticipate
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that. I mean, that's that's the point is
there was no way to anticipate what
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additional time and effort we were going
to have in and and not only that, but
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answering requests for information from
the contractor. Yeah. you know, that's
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» Is that a deficiency in the um drawings
or is that a deficiency in the
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contractor's experience?
>> No, I think it's just a a a consequence
[12:24]
of a very complex project. You're you're
retrofitting a 50-year-old wastewater
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treatment plant and you you know, you're
exposing things that haven't been
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exposed for 50 years and you're going to
have problems. There's going to be
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unforeseen things come up. Those require
us to answer a question to them like,
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"Hey, we found a pipe that was, you
know, the whole top of it fell out. We
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there was no way we could know once we
dug it up and as part of the project, we
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had to dig it up and now lo and behold,
we got a pipe that's um got to be cool
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and we got to repair it, you know, to
keep the plant running." So those are
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the kind of things that that requires us
time to design time to do something
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additionally that there was no way to
anticipate what what was going to what
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we were going to find
or may give away in a pipe.
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» Right. [clears throat]
Right. And I think that that's what it's
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come down to. It's it was unforeseen
things that there's no way to anticipate
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you until you dig them up. You don't
know what's there.
[13:24]
So, what's the difference I guess with
this? Um, you know, what's the
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difference in that price? A few thousand
or
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again, I don't know how to I don't know
how to get to the
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» project isn't over yet either.
>> Yeah. I mean, we got another
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» 9 months,
>> 10 or 12 months or 9 months probably of
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time in the in the deal.
What what Dax did state in there is in
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the inspection budget in the um
contingency funds, we're not saying we
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want to exceed the
total budget of the project. We're
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saying that we've exceeded that line
item in the budget.
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There is probably going to be
contingency funds. There is probably
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going to be some leftover in what I do
um that could cover what additional time
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that Dax puts into it or Robbie puts
into it in grants management and project
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management. So
I don't know if that answered your
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question.
>> Well, I came in after I think we'd
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already signed this contract and the
project was underway. So I didn't
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understand that we were under contract
with a a different
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um method going in before we changed in
mid mid contract. So
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but I agree there are a lot of u
requests for information that I've been
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watching in the meetings and it seems
like there's a lot
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» that's unclear that's needing
clarification. So
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» yeah, and I think a lot of those are due
to the fact that,
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you know, they dig something up and lo
and behold, there's some something else
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wrong. It's outside of what they're
supposed to be doing, but they got to
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fix it. So,
>> you know, those kind of those kind of
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problems. Perfect example is like the
last meeting when we talked about the
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headworks. Uh the the the effluent pipe
coming out of the headworks and they
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exposed it, the whole top of it was
rotted off. I mean, that's exactly what
[15:22]
I'm talking about. [snorts]
And there is no way to anticipate what
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you're going to find on 50-y old plate.
It is what it is. It's
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» Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not.
[15:36]
Appreciate it. Does that clarify
question?
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» Yes, that answers my questioning. Thank
you.
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» Okay, you bet. Um, so it's been
[clears throat] moved and seconded uh to
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approve claims 34209
to 34278
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with the removal of $150 portion of
claim number 34222.
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So if you subtract that out, it's the
the total claim would be $102,4847
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um originally 102 102,19847.
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So been um to remove that $150.
Any further discussion? Those in favor
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say I.
>> I.
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» Those opposed? Same sign?
>> Okay.
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Claims are approved. Um public comment
tonight for agenda items.
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Any public comment tonight?
[16:33]
Okay, seeing none, we'll move into
mayor's report. So, I talked with our
[16:37]
potential chief of police candidate last
week and uh he said that they're going
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to be doing some reviewing um some of
the medical stuff that he had mentioned
[16:47]
before. Um there's another potential for
this. He he had said from when I talked
[16:53]
to him 2 to 3 weeks he should know more.
So hopefully better news. Um, so we want
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to give him a little bit of time, but if
he's not able to, you know, tell me at
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that time, let's say two more weeks from
now, I'm hoping to hear something. If
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not, we, you know, we probably have to
figure something out. Yeah. Move on.
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But, um, we're hoping for the best on
that. So, unfortunately, it's a little
[17:20]
more time, but I think it'd be worth um
worth waiting for, uh, if we if that if
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something will work out for that. So my
mic Oh, my mic's not down.
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» I think they're just getting
[clears throat] feedback.
[17:34]
» And that's all I have on that for now.
Um, moving into the committee report. So
[17:38]
the for the city policy manual, again, I
just want to remind council especially
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that if you can look through any of the
manual, um, if you have anything you'd
[17:47]
like to see changed, maybe put that
together in an email, um, just
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separately and email it to me. Um
because we want to now that we've gone
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through our budget approvals and
everything for the fiscal year, kind of
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want to look at that and see if there's
some things we can change and not one or
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two pages and then have something later.
>> Things I want to change.
[18:07]
» Okay. Yeah. And we can certainly have a
you know a committee meeting or
[18:10]
something about it too, but um like to
start looking at that a little closer.
[18:15]
So all right, we'll move on to city and
sewer and water and streets and
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alleyways. Steve.
>> All right. As you know, they're still
[18:24]
slaving away down there at the sewer
treatment plant
[18:28]
[snorts]
and
[18:31]
there's still surprises going on down
there. So, I won't harve too much on
[18:37]
that. Water is still doing okay.
street parts.
[18:42]
They started digging, if you notice,
over there by the Wilson [clears throat]
[18:46]
building. They pulled the curb on that
and they got a contractor in there to
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put the curb in and then we'll go back
in there and do the asphalt from that.
[18:56]
They also been trying to get the machine
set up for
[19:04]
dirt patching.
>> Mhm. They ran into quite a few problems
[19:08]
with there.
I'll let Mike fill you guys in on the
[19:13]
process that they're going to perform
after they get it all up and running.
[19:19]
Alleys. I know Moses went down the
alleys the other day looking to see
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which one needs to be touched up, which
ones don't. He said he'd continue on
[19:30]
with that besides giving guidance to the
other guys [snorts]
[19:35]
during the day on the dirt patch. He
said it's going to be day or two before
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he can finish up on that part and he'll
figure out what needs to be blade and
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what don't.
And that's all I got. Mike will finish
[19:49]
in on the rest.
>> Thanks Steve. Uh law enforcement George.
[19:54]
Uh, like you had mentioned in your
report, we're kind of on hold, waiting
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for a new chief. Um, we just had an
officer go to academy yesterday,
[20:03]
» today.
>> Today going up today. Y
[20:06]
» tomorrow.
>> That's kind of exciting and things are
[20:10]
going good and
it I think I think the guys are going
[20:14]
and doing a good job. Um, we've
increased our hours on the street. Um,
[20:19]
and so that's good for everybody.
>> [clears throat]
[20:23]
» Mhm. All right. Thanks, George. Parks
and Playgrounds, Jeremy.
[20:29]
» Um the the cameras that were purchased
um before the last meeting uh have been
[20:35]
installed by the city crews. So now we
have surveillance over there um in that
[20:40]
park. Um so hopefully that'll curb some
of the stuff that's going on over there.
[20:44]
Some of the um vandalism if it does
happen. Is there a war is there a
[20:48]
warning sign that says you're on camera?
>> No, sir.
[20:53]
You will need to have that.
>> It's on order. I haven't got it yet.
[20:56]
» Thank you.
>> Is that audio too [clears throat] or
[20:59]
just visual?
>> I believe it has audio.
[21:03]
» I'm sure because the sign would have to
indicate.
[21:06]
» Yeah, [clears throat] it has indication
on it.
[21:08]
» Oh, is it surveillance?
>> As far as I know, it would be best to
[21:13]
have both.
>> Just a sign that says you're under
[21:17]
surveillance.
>> I don't think it's going to be turned on
[21:20]
until we get that sign. Okay. I think
right now he has a window sticker,
[21:24]
right? You have a window sticker that it
came with. Maybe you could just put that
[21:28]
on a piece of plywood or something and
stick that over there for now or
[21:31]
something just until your other signs
come. I mean, that's all that you need,
[21:34]
right?
>> It just has to be [clears throat] says
[21:36]
that it's under surveillance.
>> Well, it needs to be
[21:40]
different.
>> We'll look into it.
[21:41]
» I mean, there's nothing that says you
have to have it at, you know, every
[21:45]
cardinal direction or anything like
that. It just has to be in a conspicuous
[21:48]
place somewhere
>> so that they can see it.
[21:51]
Well, before it's turned on, we'll have
signs.
[21:54]
» I think we could do a paper sign.
>> Yeah. Something.
[21:59]
» I can get you a piece of plexiglass if
you want that sticker on.
[22:04]
» Hey, Mike.
>> One for me tomorrow.
[22:07]
» Okay.
>> Yeah.
[22:09]
» That all you have, Jeremy?
>> Uh, no. And then the concrete
[22:12]
[clears throat] slab over there at the
skate park is completed. Um, and also
[22:20]
over at Hyatt Park. Um, for some reason
the the concrete is heed over there and
[22:26]
I've noticed that for for a while. Um, I
don't know how it happened but it's
[22:31]
bowed up pretty good. Um, so we're
having a contractor right now remove
[22:36]
that that part that is um heaved and
they're going to pour concrete there so
[22:42]
it's not a tripping hazard and we don't.
That reminds me um I think the sidewalk
[22:47]
in front of Shiftton's
>> on that state.
[22:50]
» It was they were working on that for a
while.
[22:52]
» Okay. It was all
>> that was like a couple months ago or
[22:55]
something.
>> Okay. So is that
[22:56]
» I think they do they fix that completely
or do they have to wait for anything?
[22:59]
» That happens every so often
[clears throat] a chunk just come up and
[23:03]
there's few other places where it just
eats up.
[23:08]
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. when you had mentioned that to me
[23:10]
one day that about a day later or two
days later they were a big crew was out
[23:14]
there doing stuff
>> not not any of my work but
[23:17]
» the part that's u you know around our
park is in the process of getting fixed
[23:22]
and replaced just so then we don't have
that problem with something somebody
[23:24]
tripping over it or something
>> that's the biggest problem
[23:27]
» y so that's all I have
>> all right thanks um finance landfill
[23:32]
Clayton
>> uh finance just the stuff that we've
[23:35]
been going over and landfill just
reports back the way we've been doing. I
[23:41]
think it's the increase coming up, but
that's about it.
[23:45]
» Anything for impact fee advisory?
>> Uh, no.
[23:48]
» Okay. Uh, resolutions and ordinances.
Chris is out on economic development.
[23:54]
» George, uh, Tina will be giving a report
later tonight and I'll leave that for
[23:58]
her.
>> Okay.
[24:00]
All right. And then [clears throat] in
your packet there's uh for petitions and
[24:04]
communications uh pilot community
tourism grant program year-end
[24:08]
evaluation. That's included in your
packet for review.
[24:12]
Um and then a letter that I uh wanted to
include uh for some communications
[24:20]
testing that the the Air Force is doing.
Um I put out a message on Facebook, but
[24:26]
it wasn't real complete. Um then later I
had put this letter on there as well. Um
[24:31]
one thing I'll add to that um the the
gentleman that visited with me in my
[24:36]
office, he had said that the uh Harden
got selected mainly because we're within
[24:43]
a thousand miles of a town in um in uh
Minnesota that was it Minnesota that
[24:51]
we're within a thousand miles of this
town. And so we got selected as as one
[24:56]
of the towns to as kind of a base for
for their testing. So supposed to be
[25:01]
going through September 10th. Um but
they're doing some other things out past
[25:05]
Ashland and just a bunch of
communications testing. So anyway, that
[25:10]
» fly flyovers and such.
>> Um I don't know if there's much with
[25:14]
airplanes or not. I mean, you'd think so
with Air Force, but it's more radio
[25:17]
stuff. It's Yeah, a lot of radio stuff.
Well, and didn't the communication say
[25:21]
they were raising the ceiling instead of
lowering it? So, I thought that was odd,
[25:27]
but
>> yeah, I'm not I'm not sure their full
[25:30]
detail, but it's fairly regular training
that they do. So,
[25:35]
um
all right, so that concludes that
[25:38]
unfinished business. Um Jordan may have
a little information for we're going to
[25:44]
kind of go back to unfinished business
here for Northern Chiropractic. uh the
[25:48]
handicap sign.
>> Sure. So, I did some digging on ADA
[25:52]
regulations both in the state and
federally and I cannot find much for
[25:57]
regulations for on street parking. Most
everything I found was for that applied
[26:01]
to public entities, the city, county,
things like that. But also on property
[26:07]
parking was the biggest regulation. So,
as far as street parking, there's
[26:11]
nothing on the street that has to be
specific other than there is a ramp
[26:15]
there on the corner, I believe. Um, we
were just talking about earlier. The
[26:19]
other thing I noticed is that there may
have to be an area for wheelchairs to
[26:24]
turn around or to pass on the sidewalk.
So, I don't know what our sidewalk
[26:29]
length is exactly or or width, I'm
sorry, 48 in is what I'm told. For
[26:35]
passing area, it's got to be 60 in, but
it's only got to be every 200 ft. So, I
[26:40]
don't know if there's a spot on your
property, a driveway or part of your
[26:44]
sidewalk, um, has a 60-in area that
somebody could pull off and get around
[26:50]
somebody else or something like that.
That was the only thing I could see of
[26:54]
note.
>> The front of my building is over 60 in,
[27:00]
but the side where that parking spot
would be wouldn't be.
[27:04]
» Okay.
>> It'd be a 36, I think, or what's the
[27:07]
standard sidewalk? 36 on that side, but
where they would have access to the
[27:12]
corner ramp, that whole area from there
to my front of my office would be. So,
[27:19]
if they were coming off the street from
that parking area, it would be covered.
[27:22]
But if it was on the sidewalk coming out
of that vehicle, it wouldn't.
[27:27]
» And then the rest of the regulations
would be applying to things that would
[27:31]
be on your property. So that' be the
slope of the ramp, the length of the
[27:37]
ramp, width of it, turnaround area,
things like that, handrails, whatever it
[27:41]
may be. That would all be on private
property. So at that point, [snorts] um
[27:45]
I can't see much else for requirements
from the city for street handicap
[27:51]
access.
>> So if he wanted the street one, then he
[27:55]
could go ahead and do that then.
>> Well, I think it would be on us to put
[27:58]
it up because it is street property. I
think it'd be appropriate for us to hang
[28:02]
the sign and paint the curb. We don't
want to probably get in the business of
[28:05]
just letting people start painting
curbs.
[28:09]
» I did over here painted it green.
>> I know [laughter]
[28:14]
it's not the only place either.
>> No, I know. [snorts]
[28:17]
Give himself some more parking spots.
>> So, what do we need to do there? We need
[28:22]
to make a motion.
I I think at this point I'm comfortable
[28:26]
because I can't find any real good
regulations governing street handicap
[28:30]
parking. I I'm comfortable with the city
proceeding with instructing Mike to
[28:36]
order a sign and paint curve
if that's what council wants to do.
[28:41]
» I I feel comfortable if you did that.
>> How about you Jeremy?
[28:45]
» You good?
>> You make it.
[28:49]
» Okay. I make a motion that
[clears throat and cough] we take care
[28:53]
of the handicap sign over at Northern
Chiropractic Care.
[28:58]
Hang the sign, paint the curb.
>> Second.
[29:03]
» Okay, it's been moved and seconded to
approve the handicap sign for Northern
[29:07]
Chiropractic, including uh putting up
the sign and painting the curb blue. Um,
[29:12]
any other discussion on that?
>> Those in favor say I. I.
[29:17]
» Those opposed? Same sign.
>> Okay, that makes sense.
[29:23]
Thanks.
>> All right, I'll move into new business.
[29:27]
Uh, Northcon payout number 14 for
$766,41.97.
[29:37]
[clears throat]
[29:41]
» There you go.
>> Make a motion to approve.
[29:44]
» Second it. Okay.
>> Moved and seconded to approve Northcon
[29:49]
pay application number 14. Any further
discussion?
[29:54]
» Um Drew, it's your recommendation to pay
this payout.
[29:57]
» Yeah.
[clears throat]
[30:00]
» Okay.
Those in favor say I.
[30:03]
» I.
>> Those opposed? Same sign.
[30:06]
» Okay. Motion carries.
And then the change order, Northcon
[30:10]
change order number five for $35,42054.
[30:17]
And did you want to speak on that? Sure.
Yeah. Come on up, sir.
[30:24]
» Hi, I'm Bill Staley.
Bill,
[30:27]
» I'm actually the inspector here all the
time. So, Dax wasn't able to come
[30:30]
tonight. He had a another meeting that
that interfered with this. So, I get to
[30:34]
I get the pleasure of getting to stand
in [laughter] front of you guys. Um so
[30:37]
that change order uh encompasses um
three change proposal requests that we
[30:44]
had submitted to the contractor. Uh
first [snorts] one being uh CPR number
[30:49]
two change proposal request CPR. Um and
that was for underlap pipe casements. Um
[30:56]
originally the only underlap pipe
casement was under the main new
[31:00]
clarifier. Um once we got to looking, we
should have we we we intended but did
[31:07]
not specify in the drawings the unders
slap pipe enc casement for um underneath
[31:14]
the the there's a big splitter box that
that separates where the water goes to
[31:18]
which clarifier. It's a very large
structure with holds quite a lot of
[31:23]
water. So pretty heavy. Um and and got
piece of pipe that goes underneath a
[31:27]
14-in piece of of ductal iron pipe
underneath it. it needs to be encased
[31:32]
because you don't want it to if that if
that settles you don't want it to crush
[31:35]
that pipe. Um then at the head works uh
and then inside the UV admin building.
[31:42]
Um
so that's what that that portion was for
[31:47]
the CPR number four question.
>> No.
[31:52]
» Okay.
>> I do. So they're going to encase the
[31:56]
pipe underneath the headworks.
>> Yeah. the one that comes the new pipe
[32:00]
that's will be [snorts] from the new
clarifier um is underneath the floor. Um
[32:06]
one of the reasons it wasn't initially
uh intended to be encased is because
[32:11]
that was actually going to be a uh
pan deck for so it' be a pan deck on top
[32:18]
of the um old chlorination channels
>> and then that would have just laid
[32:24]
inside of one of the old coronation
channels. Uh we we chose to have that
[32:29]
whole thing back filled in underneath in
those chlorination channels.
[32:33]
» Headworks buildings or the UV building?
>> UV building.
[32:35]
» UV
>> underneath the headworks building is is
[32:40]
um there's a pipe that runs basically
the length of that building underneath.
[32:44]
» The headworks building is already
poured. How are we going to encase that
[32:48]
pipe now? Are they going to excavate
underneath the new head?
[32:51]
» It's encased. Yeah, it's all done. All
of these are actually done.
[32:56]
All three of these are actually done.
Just took a while to get everybody to
[33:00]
sign everything.
>> Okay. Um,
[33:04]
the next one would have been uh
CPR number four, which is
[33:13]
after after figuring out all of the
back filling inside of the UV building,
[33:19]
doing all that, we had we had to modify
the way that the box that the pipes that
[33:26]
comes. This is the big 14-in pipe. The
UV channel sits like this. The big 14-in
[33:31]
pipe comes in here. The old um
clarifiers feed into here. We had to
[33:36]
modify the way that that box was shaped
and it required us to and there wasn't
[33:40]
ever included a stop gate to make it to
where we can't so the water doesn't go
[33:44]
down the old UV channel.
>> It only goes down the new one or take it
[33:48]
out and it goes down both or make it
block it off so that you block off the
[33:52]
new UV channel and it only goes down the
old channel there. So, there's two stop
[33:57]
gates that go there. one that goes
blocks off the new channel, one that
[34:01]
blocks off the old channel. Um, they
just they weren't in the design and now
[34:05]
they are. Um, and that's what that's
for.
[34:10]
Uh,
electrical for demo. So, electrical
[34:14]
building is is now the new electrical
building will be where the old pump
[34:19]
house was, the old airator pump for the
digress. There was a huge there's a
[34:23]
little building in the back corner on
the north side of the of the plant. Um
[34:27]
that's now the electrical building. Um
when Millennium Electric started to put
[34:35]
the conduits in the sweeps that they
needed, the the conduit sweeps, the big
[34:39]
4-in conduit sweeps are are 6 and 1/2 ft
long in order to make a 90° bend.
[34:45]
» [clears throat]
>> The intent was they would just poke
[34:48]
holes through the um through the floor,
cut a cut a big enough space out to get
[34:53]
it down, hand shovel down, and then go
out the footer wall. But in order to do
[34:58]
that, they come to find out that they
had to cut most of the floor of the of
[35:02]
the electrical building out in order to
get those sweeps to go down because
[35:05]
they're so darn big.
>> And I think it was
[35:10]
the difference between construction and
engineering. You know, sometimes you you
[35:14]
come to find out that you you what you
think they should be able to do. Well,
[35:18]
we didn't really want to compromise the
the the integrity of the structure by
[35:23]
undermining the footer wall.
[clears throat] So, they cut most of the
[35:28]
electrical building floor out so that
they could get all their sweeps ran, get
[35:32]
all the electrical, new electrical
conduits put in, had to put a new floor
[35:35]
back in. So, those are the three that
are on that one.
[35:42]
Any questions?
[35:50]
» Make a motion to approve.
>> Second.
[35:54]
» Okay. It's been moved and and uh
seconded to approve Northcon change
[35:58]
order number five in the amount of
35,425
[36:03]
$420.54.
Any other discussion?
[36:08]
» Those in favor say I.
>> I. Those opposed? Same sign. Okay.
[36:13]
Motion approved. Um curb and gutter
replacement for uh on Fourth Street.
[36:18]
There
should be able to see in your packet
[36:22]
there's uh so part of this is from city
or from u
[36:28]
I guess from the MCA, right, Michael?
But um the council would need to approve
[36:34]
the project.
Um, the amounts aren't necessarily I
[36:38]
mean the amounts would be less for the
city, you know, under the 5,000, but you
[36:42]
guys would have to approve the project.
Um,
[36:48]
so you can see the pictures in there.
So, so are these two different herds,
[36:54]
two two different areas, cuz you have
around here 5 to $7,000. So, it looks
[36:58]
like there's one estimate of 6,300.
[37:04]
Yeah. So there's two separate ones. I
tried to number them 001 and 002. Uh the
[37:10]
first
So we just made up a sheet. Just noticed
[37:15]
to city council curb gutter needs to be
replaced at 5 South Terry Avenue.
[37:20]
Approximately 70 ft of curbon gutter. It
is sunk. It's creating a low point for
[37:25]
water to cool and deteriorate the road.
Estimated cost around $3,000 to $4,000.
[37:31]
Uh [clears throat] the property owner
does know about this. Um and then we
[37:36]
included the
uh the bid from Eric Day in there which
[37:41]
he bid $3,650
to do that.
[37:48]
Um so that would be number one and then
I included a picture with it in case
[37:53]
there's some visual people. Number two
would be 10 Fourth Street West. This is
[37:59]
the construction right down here by
Center Street. It's approximately 130
[38:03]
ft. That's curb and gutter.
The existing curb and gutter is in poor
[38:07]
condition as has expired. It's just not
>> or experience significant cracking,
[38:13]
breaking and settling. I estimated
around 5 to7,000 for that one. And then
[38:19]
I think we got a quote in there for
6,350.
[38:24]
» That's pretty good.
The 3650 was the quote for the first for
[38:29]
[clears throat]
for five South Terry and then the other
[38:32]
one was you had already had for
>> 6350.
[38:36]
» The reason why I'm asking is because you
just had the curb replacement on here
[38:41]
just for the just for right over here,
right? But you want them both approved.
[38:46]
» Yeah. I apologize. I didn't get them
listed out in the cover sheet of the
[38:50]
council packet. There's two separate
ones in here.
[38:53]
» Yeah, I I see that. Yeah, you could talk
to Jordan.
[38:57]
» I just asked Jordan that because since
it wasn't itemized, but it it is in the
[39:02]
packet that, you know, and the approval
is basically council's approving the
[39:07]
project, not necessarily the
>> dollar amount.
[39:09]
» The dollar amount for the 3 to 4,000
wouldn't be wouldn't necessarily need
[39:13]
council,
>> but we're paying what a portion of it.
[39:16]
» So, they are two completely separate
projects. Mhm.
[39:21]
» Two unrelated property owners. So,
make a motion to approve for both
[39:26]
projects. That
>> be okay for one motion. I'm both
[39:31]
» I'm fine with it. I think the reason and
you can correct me if I'm wrong memory
[39:35]
probably wipe it all clean from my my
head, but I think I suggested both of
[39:39]
them be on the agenda just for your
guys's knowledge and the public's
[39:43]
knowledge of what's going on. So, the
one is under the $5,000 limit.
[39:47]
» The other [clears throat] one's above
the $5,000 limit. he can spend up to the
[39:51]
5,000, but I just suggested let's just
put it on there so everybody knows
[39:55]
what's going on. So, the one motion for
the one above 5,000 is really the only
[39:59]
one that's needed.
>> Okay.
[40:00]
» But with that project, Mike, is the um
property owner paying 50% of the bill?
[40:06]
» Yeah. So, the city would only be paying
50% of the um the actual quote in there.
[40:13]
» So,
>> so I think he's still below his
[40:15]
» Mhm.
>> Yeah.
[40:17]
» Yeah. But the original dollar amount is
still above this 5,000. So you can't you
[40:22]
still have to document it.
>> Okay.
[40:24]
» Yeah. I don't think that I don't have a
problem with either of the or the both
[40:28]
of the projects. So I'm going to make a
motion.
[40:31]
» Well, you already got out on it.
>> Oh, you already did.
[40:33]
» Clayton did make Yeah. motion for both,
right?
[40:36]
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[40:37]
» And I I second both.
>> Second. Okay. Okay. So, it's been moved
[40:40]
and seconded to approve these
[clears throat] uh projects for the five
[40:44]
South Terry and then the other one
>> sorry the yeah on 10th Street.
[40:51]
[clears throat] Any further discussion?
Those in favor say I.
[40:55]
» I.
>> Those opposed same sign
[40:57]
» and abstain.
>> Okay.
[41:01]
All right. Motion carries. And then Big
Horn County Hospital inmate bills. Guess
[41:07]
this was
kind of new business now. We've we've
[41:11]
gone over some old stuff, but
um
[41:16]
we had [clears throat] a meeting with
with uh hospital on the phone with their
[41:22]
attorney. I don't know if you wanted to
address some of that, Jordan. So last
[41:27]
week we had a Zoom or Teams call with
hospital administration mayor and I and
[41:33]
then the attorney representing the
hospital and we had told them a couple
[41:39]
of months ago that council's decision
was not to go any farther because you
[41:44]
had more or less said once they struck
out that language of no future billing,
[41:47]
we weren't really interested. So I'd
relayed that message to him. I think it
[41:50]
was in July and then the attorney says,
"Okay, I'll we'll work on it. I'm going
[41:55]
on vacation. and we'll touch base. And
so, um, we just met up with them. They
[42:00]
want to keep negotiating and they
understand now where we're coming from
[42:06]
as far as the no future billing. And I
walked them through the important code
[42:10]
section that applies that exempts us
from payment of most if not almost all
[42:15]
of these bills.
And I think what it was, he didn't like
[42:21]
the way I wrote it and he just struck
it. And instead of writing it the way he
[42:26]
wanted it, he just left it as struck.
And so after we talked about a little
[42:30]
bit, he agreed that we need to flesh
that language out of just instead of it
[42:34]
saying no future billing, it would say
something of we won't be build for this
[42:37]
instance, this instance, this
[clears throat] instance, all the
[42:39]
exemptions that are in the Montana code,
leaving the door open for we would be
[42:46]
build for [clears throat] the very small
chance that we cause injuries by
[42:51]
negligence or misconduct or something
like that.
[42:54]
» Okay, so that was their big thing. Their
hang up on that is they didn't want to
[42:58]
just flatly say we're not paying any
hospital bill ever ever in the future.
[43:03]
They wanted that window and I now that
we talked about it. Okay.
[43:07]
» The other part of the conversation was
so so that was our want. That was our
[43:11]
big want is no future billing. Their big
want is they want money now. Um
[43:18]
currently the outstanding balance is
220,000.
[43:22]
Now, I've made very clear to them that
one of those bills that just recently
[43:27]
came our way should not be paid by us.
It was injury sustained during a
[43:31]
high-speed chase. That is one of the
exemptions that when those injuries
[43:36]
happen, we don't pay. Um, we discussed
some of the statutes a little bit
[43:41]
further and both the attorney for the
hospital and I both agree that
[43:47]
if the hospital cannot collect from the
patient and they cannot collect from
[43:51]
their third party either private
insurance, Medicaid [clears throat] or
[43:55]
Medicare,
then the statute directs them to go to
[43:59]
the county. Um, I know the county is
going to scream when they see that, but
[44:04]
that is the way it reads. And so the
hospital is still interested in our
[44:11]
previous offer which was to pay 25,000
and then four years of 10,000 or or some
[44:16]
other offer and they would like to
proceed with that to see if in goodwill
[44:21]
if that's still there between us to give
them something. And so that's where
[44:26]
we're at. I told them we had a meeting
tonight. I would send it to council and
[44:31]
council will give me direction what to
do next. I'm still good with that that
[44:35]
offer.
>> Was that their um so they did I I just
[44:41]
wanted to make sure and clarify that
that we did end up with
[44:46]
the the discussion that that would
satisfy
[44:50]
the original bill that we're talking
about as well if we move forward with
[44:55]
those those payments.
>> Well, I would make it year to date. I
[45:00]
mean if if the balance is now 220
>> Mhm. this is still what you're getting.
[45:04]
» And like I say, those especially the
last few, they they continually send us
[45:09]
bills even though their attorney says,
"We'll stop billing. I just got a couple
[45:12]
more."
>> Um, so left hand doesn't know what right
[45:15]
hand's doing all. [laughter] But
the way I would phrase it is it's to
[45:21]
date. We're not going back to the
$80,000 amount or the $120,000 amount.
[45:26]
It is whenever we [snorts] decide to do
this and execute it, it will be that
[45:30]
balance of that day. That's money.
>> We're not paying any more on that
[45:34]
balance. This is what you're getting.
What? However much council decides
[45:37]
council can afford, that's what we're
paying
[45:39]
» as like a settlement in full basic. Not
necessarily. Not necessarily.
[45:43]
» Yeah. I mean, just that they won't bring
any more claims for those.
[45:47]
» Mhm. And then
>> except for if like he said we caused it
[45:52]
and naturally we'll have to end up
paying for it.
[45:55]
» Yeah. Possibly
>> if not excluded from our exclusion.
[45:59]
[cough and clears throat]
>> Right. But it really would be like
[46:02]
officer misconduct. It it's it I read
through it too and it's it it very
[46:06]
details out that if it's a a resisting
arrest situation and somebody gets hurt
[46:12]
because they're resisting arrest and
officer has to use force, it that's
[46:17]
still
>> against the No, it's still against the
[46:20]
[clears throat]
um that that doesn't
[46:22]
» that doesn't Yeah. come to us, right?
>> Flowers and chocolate.
[46:27]
» Yep.
[46:30]
So, do we have a motion to offer them
25,000 plus what what what's your
[46:38]
motion, Steve?
>> Well, well, we didn't motion again.
[46:41]
» We didn't motion.
>> Okay.
[46:43]
» We didn't make a motion. We We just made
some agreements talking about it.
[46:47]
» I guess I'd like to ask Drew, did we
forward that to the next year, Drew?
[46:52]
with when we had talked about 20 or
25,000
[46:55]
» is that
>> I budgeted for 25,000 this year
[46:59]
» for just that purpose.
>> Just that purpose.
[47:01]
» Okay. And then so it' be this year of 25
and the next four years of 10. Is that
[47:09]
what we're
>> That was what our original
[47:13]
was.
>> Yeah.
[47:14]
» Yeah. I mean that's up to council.
>> Yeah. And it would we haven't got
[47:19]
[clears throat]
>> come back from them though that they
[47:21]
would accept that. Correct.
>> Basically just asking is the offer still
[47:27]
good. Right.
>> Right. I mean you you can send them any
[47:30]
offer you want. I mean I think they
liked the idea of that offer. Basically
[47:34]
» if I was reading between the lines is
what if they would strike an agreement
[47:38]
with us then they're going to the county
with that statute and saying okay now
[47:43]
you're on the hook for the rest. Here's
the law that says you're going to pay.
[47:46]
And
>> and and like I said, this whole
[47:48]
discussion has always been about
goodwill. My legal conclusion is most of
[47:52]
these we don't have to pay
>> almost all of them.
[47:55]
» And we're still paying for mainly
because we all live in town.
[48:00]
» His position was if if us we two
parties, the hospital and the city kind
[48:05]
of come up to an agreement dollar amount
and that they won't bill us except for
[48:10]
when it's outside of these exclusions.
Then they're going to go to the county
[48:15]
and the attorney for the hospital will
be arguing on the same side of us of no,
[48:20]
you're responsible.
>> And why is the county responsible?
[48:23]
Because it's their jail.
>> Because it's by law,
[48:26]
» state code, state code,
>> Montana code. It's in there.
[48:29]
» Their officers. It's our officers. It's
still their responsibility.
[48:32]
» Doesn't matter.
>> Really?
[48:33]
» It's utilizing the county jail.
>> Unless
[48:37]
they don't give them flowers and candy
and
[48:39]
» Right. No, it's if we cause something
like if we had actual negligent like
[48:45]
» a problem. What would you call it?
Officer misconduct, whatever that
[48:48]
[laughter]
it specifies that, but other things
[48:51]
resisting arrest and other problems, it
doesn't fall in
[48:56]
» pre-existing conditions is the biggest
one.
[48:59]
» Yeah, that's huge.
>> But all you're looking for tonight is
[49:02]
just [clears throat]
>> direction. Do we need a motion though?
[49:06]
Yes,
>> I think it would be sufficient if you
[49:07]
had an a dollar amount or payment plan,
whatever. You put that in a motion
[49:12]
authorizing me to present that to the
hospital.
[49:15]
» Drew, [clears throat] so we have it in
our budget to pay could pay up to 25,000
[49:19]
in this year's budget and then we could
write it in as like 10,000 for the next
[49:24]
four and it would be absorbable.
>> Yeah,
[49:29]
» I would like to make that motion.
>> I'll second it. You want to clarify just
[49:32]
» that we make the $25,000 payment this
year and followed by four $10,000
[49:40]
payments
>> every calendar year 1,000 or one $10,000
[49:45]
payment for the next four years. And
that would bring us up to full payment
[49:49]
for past bills due to the hospital.
>> Can you specify fiscal year, not
[49:53]
calendar year?
>> Yeah, not calendar year, but
[49:56]
» fiscal year.
[50:00]
» Yeah. Yes,
>> next four fiscal year.
[50:03]
» So, so that this debt though of 10,000
for the next four years
[50:09]
» is not paying back an old bill.
>> No,
[50:13]
» we're the 25
good. But the 10 is to take care of
[50:18]
coming years.
>> Correct.
[50:21]
» Not a balance of making
>> That's kind of a trick. So then in other
[50:24]
words, you're saying that we're paying
them $65,000
[50:30]
» on hundred and some thousand ask bid. We
don't want that.
[50:36]
» Correct.
>> That's up to you. I'll write it however
[50:39]
I'll I'll clarify it however you want.
>> It's we're [clears throat] giving you
[50:42]
$10,000 every year to do what you do for
us. Correct.
[50:49]
» Well, that's not the way I had intended
it. It was to apply to all the back
[50:53]
payments because
>> if I remember the discussion is the
[50:57]
count we I'm sorry the city council did
not want to do 10,000 a year forever and
[51:03]
ever and ever and ever. It was no we're
going to pay at that time the end of
[51:07]
fiscal year 2526. We didn't have a whole
lot of money but we had was that 25,000
[51:11]
and if I remember the discussion it was
well we'll make a few more payments for
[51:16]
all that. But the language I had drafted
in that original proposal was no more
[51:21]
bills.
>> Right.
[51:22]
» Right.
>> So it would have been for
[51:23]
[clears throat] everything in the past.
It's not paying for anything in the
[51:26]
future cuz there under this new
>> that was my question.
[51:30]
» Under if we put this new agreement
together with the language
[51:32]
[clears throat] of the statute, we
really shouldn't have that many bills
[51:36]
» coming from the hospital. So
>> what was the total of the last was it?
[51:41]
» Well, the one you voted on before this
was like 89 or something. 92. Yeah,
[51:46]
» right in there. Uh I think it was 89 for
>> I thought we already made a partial
[51:50]
payment of that bill already.
>> We haven't because it was never agreed
[51:53]
to negotiation. So now to clarify that
Clayton, I I think [clears throat] as I
[52:00]
understand it, it would be Yeah.
[snorts] these payments would all be for
[52:06]
settling [clears throat] this whole
thing. And now moving forward,
[52:09]
» it the the approval of bills should only
be for some kind of a you know,
[52:14]
misconduct or a problem. We've heard
them, you know. [clears throat]
[52:17]
» Okay. Yep.
>> I have a question for you, Jordan,
[52:20]
though.
>> If that statute has always been there
[52:23]
that the county pays, why is this a
bother now? Like, why did this come
[52:26]
forward now? Why didn't they go to the
county? And do you know any other cities
[52:29]
that are in the same problem with us
where if the city doesn't pay it, the
[52:33]
county comes in and pays it?
I don't know any specific cities, but
[52:38]
this attorney
had explained to me he's dealt with this
[52:41]
in many other small towns and and he's
very confident this is the way it goes.
[52:48]
So, it sounds like we're not the only
one that have had this problem. Yeah.
[52:56]
» I mean, it's a really good
clarification,
[52:58]
» but I I asked that question actually
when we talked about like why didn't
[53:01]
this come up earlier with and yeah, it's
[clears throat] um but like Jordan's
[53:07]
addressed some of that earlier
>> because they didn't have counsel then.
[53:10]
They were just under their own. They
didn't have that clarification.
[53:14]
» They didn't have the attorney on board
until very recently.
[53:16]
» Okay. So, they didn't have that
clarification.
[53:19]
That clarifies why they moved to the
county.
[53:23]
» So there's a motion on the floor.
>> Second.
[53:25]
» And
give me back to the original bill that
[53:30]
that original bill that they had sent us
was a reduced bill from a higher amount
[53:34]
that they had given us, right? That they
were quoting us and asking us to pay.
[53:38]
» There was a point in there they had made
an offer. Please pay this percent. I
[53:43]
don't I don't remember the number.
>> It was like 54% or something.
[53:46]
» Yeah. But
>> like it was still fairly a large amount.
[53:50]
» The outstanding balance just keeps
growing cuz we got we got a $21,000 bill
[53:55]
just a week ago and it was from 2025.
But they just now get around to billing
[54:01]
us improperly cuz we told them to stop.
We're negotiating. But [clears throat]
[54:06]
they sent us this $21,000 bill. And I
made it very clear at this meeting this
[54:11]
was uh somebody fleeing and eluding
police. That's specifically in the
[54:14]
statute. We don't pay when that when
somebody gets hurt when you're running
[54:18]
away from cops.
>> So it's that wouldn't be added to our
[54:21]
bill anyway.
>> But medical they their billing always 2
[54:25]
[clears throat] years later.
>> So I [snorts] guess I'm questioning it.
[54:29]
What was the Was it 80,000 or was it
200,000?
[54:33]
» It keeps growing.
>> But I mean it's never stopped
[54:37]
» with with everything though too. I'm
sure they're attaching one and a half.
[54:40]
80,000 is probably a number from
a year, year and a half ago, maybe more.
[54:46]
» And they haven't been real consistent on
billing. And now a bunch more have come
[54:51]
in. And she didn't even know the answer
to be to be frank. When the um legal
[54:58]
council for the hospital asked uh I
can't remember Roxy on the meeting, how
[55:03]
much is owed? She actually didn't know.
She took a she took a guess. And that's
[55:07]
where we're getting that number. She
guessed. Okay.
[55:12]
» But regardless, like with your motion,
we're talking about
[55:15]
» that covers the
>> Yeah. Then situation in and not knowing
[55:19]
what our real bill is as are we paying
50% of that or are we paying 75% of that
[55:24]
or
>> what are we paying of our total bill?
[55:28]
» So, we're we're not paying a percentage
of anything. This is just a dollar
[55:30]
amount we can afford.
>> We're going to make everybody happy
[55:34]
» and we're we're offering that in good
faith
[55:36]
» pretty much. But if we don't have to pay
and they just got to go to the county,
[55:40]
then why are we offering them anything?
>> That's up to council
[55:43]
» just to try to amends
fees that have been dealt with on the
[55:48]
request of the county.
>> But there's a statute that says if the
[55:51]
county pays for it, why are we offering
any?
[55:56]
» That was the question that
>> that's I mean I don't think we should
[55:58]
[clears throat] especially if we're
going to go forward and not pay
[56:00]
anything. I mean then we're I don't
think we should. Here here's here's the
[56:04]
legal risk I would see
>> somebody going through each individual
[56:07]
bill and going from from the county's
perspective going no you do need to pay
[56:11]
that one because that doesn't
>> they're going to do that in the future
[56:15]
regardless now I mean the county is
going to go through and be like you
[56:18]
don't pay this you should pay this you
should it's going to come from them now
[56:21]
» so
I mean we got good body cameras if
[56:26]
there's if they're saying you owe this
bill cuz this was a problem
[56:29]
» I see where AJ's coming from though he's
Our
[56:34]
council has always said, "This isn't our
bill.
[56:36]
» Mhm.
>> Bill it to the county. Bill to someone
[56:38]
else. It's not our fault." And AJ
saying, "So why even pay it? Let the
[56:42]
county come back pay. This uh hospital's
not out anything. They can turn around
[56:46]
and bill
>> the county for all this past
[56:50]
because they statute says they can,
right?"
[56:54]
» Yep.
>> So I don't think we offer any money.
[57:00]
So, what the lawyer is saying that if we
if we do make this payment or if you we
[57:03]
can come to an agreement with them that
our [clears throat] 25 and then $10,000
[57:08]
for the next four years after this that
will take care of all the bills right
[57:12]
now and they won't consider those ours
and then they will go after the county.
[57:19]
» That's the intention.
>> That's the intention. We pay this
[57:21]
amount. They will go after the county.
>> Okay. Well, it sounds like a pretty good
[57:26]
insurance program to keep us out of
paying more then. But even though we're
[57:30]
not paying [snorts]
[57:35]
that to find out we owe more.
>> Yeah. I mean we have discussed it like
[57:39]
AJ's saying we we've discussed that that
topic's come up a couple times and
[57:44]
the discussion was we wanted to pay
something in good faith that you know
[57:48]
defer the relationship we have with the
with the hospital.
[57:52]
» Um both the hospital and the county. And
it was the county's request that all of
[57:57]
these every time you arrested somebody,
you take them there and they, you know,
[58:02]
stick a thing under their tongue to see
if they what their temperature is,
[58:05]
whatever.
That's the fee we're paying. So, just to
[58:10]
clarify, it's been moved and seconded to
uh make a payment in the this fiscal
[58:15]
year 25,000 and the next four fiscal
years after that of 10,000 each um as
[58:23]
basically good faith payments um to
settle this
[58:26]
» to settle in.
>> Mhm. And then they they'd be working
[58:30]
with county.
>> So, we're we're just directing Jordan to
[58:35]
do this.
>> Yes. Jordan would
[58:37]
» to make that offer. Y
>> I won't we won't sign anything. Nothing
[58:40]
will be finalized. If there's counter
offers, bring it to council.
[58:45]
[clears throat]
>> Just approving you to do it to make.
[58:48]
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. You make an offer. It's got to be
[58:52]
backed up. So you're approving it for
the money if they accept it, you know.
[58:59]
Any other discussion? Those in favor say
I.
[59:02]
» I.
>> Those opposed, same sign.
[59:04]
» I.
>> Okay. Uh motion carries.
[59:09]
We move into staff reports. Michael
Public [clears throat] Works.
[59:16]
Okay. So, the guys have been working
hard out there. We are looking at
[59:20]
[clears throat] hiring one new street
worker starting out tomorrow
[59:26]
down here at the Sixth Street lift
station. We're scheduled Thursday to
[59:30]
have the three-way valve replaced. I was
going to ask the mayor if we could
[59:34]
declare that as a national holiday. We
call it no flush Thursday.
[59:40]
» Oh boy. I have to do some research on
that. [laughter]
[59:43]
» So, but yeah. So, we're gonna bypass the
entire lift station on Thursday and uh
[59:48]
get that valve replaced and both of the
pumps back up and running. The guys are
[59:53]
working hard on the Dur Patcher. What we
are going to do, our plan of attack for
[59:58]
that is we're going to use it. We're
going to document everywhere we use that
[1:00:02]
and we're going to try it with a couple
different types of potholes to see what
[1:00:08]
kind of results we could get, what kind
of long-term results we get out of that.
[1:00:13]
And uh we will also look into the cost
of that machine, what it's costing us
[1:00:18]
versus cold mix um to compare those
results to.
[1:00:22]
Um, Bill is here from Staley. So, I
thought it would be a great opportunity
[1:00:27]
to if you want to ask any questions
about the wastewater project. I would
[1:00:32]
like to ask him what the timeline is,
what they're looking at right now on the
[1:00:38]
wastewater project. So, you guys are
fine with that. We can have him talk
[1:00:42]
about that.
>> Yeah, you bet.
[1:00:44]
» If you want to most interested in the
finish date, what's your finish date?
[1:00:49]
[snorts]
I think we just added with those change
[1:00:51]
orders. I think you would added
36 days to the project and and
[1:00:58]
I can pull it up on my phone and give
you the date when when they're
[1:01:02]
contracted to be completed. Um
>> well, are you guys still pretty much on
[1:01:06]
schedule? You're not?
>> Yeah, we're definitely on schedule. I
[1:01:09]
believe um
there's been a couple hiccups where um
[1:01:15]
we thought it was going to kind of push
us out and I don't think it will. I
[1:01:18]
think we made up a lot of time this
summer. Um,
[1:01:22]
» and last winter
>> and last winter and the fact that we had
[1:01:25]
a fairly open winter and we're able to
pour concrete from January till last
[1:01:29]
Friday.
>> Um,
[1:01:33]
concrete structure-wise,
uh, sorry, I'm trying to make this thing
[1:01:38]
blow up so I can breathe.
Um, we pretty much we have a couple of
[1:01:44]
uh
[1:01:49]
I'm going to I'm going to throw you guys
another curveball about change orders.
[1:01:53]
Um, here's an example of what you were
asking about earlier. When we removed
[1:01:58]
the when we excavated for the new
clarifier, it ended up exposing the the
[1:02:04]
pipes underneath the old clarifiers
[snorts and clears throat]
[1:02:07]
effes
on the side. Those pipes literally fell
[1:02:12]
out of the bottom.
>> Shut that one down.
[1:02:15]
» Yep. Yep. 100%. Well, in order to
replace them, you the way that those are
[1:02:21]
designed, in order to make them
watertight again, you got to literally
[1:02:24]
cut the box off and put a new box in.
You can't just try to fix the floor. Um,
[1:02:30]
it it just won't be watertight. Um, and
you really don't want sewage leaking
[1:02:35]
out. So, watertight is is crucial. So,
to do that, you need to cut the the old
[1:02:40]
box off, pour a new box in. Um,
that is a change order that is coming
[1:02:46]
soon. We're about done with with what we
wanted them to, you know, the design we
[1:02:50]
wanted them to go with on that. We did
change it a little bit to make it to
[1:02:54]
where instead of the penetrations for
the pipes coming straight into the
[1:02:58]
bottom or all gravity weights pulling
down on them all the time on the gasket
[1:03:02]
that closes off of the concrete between
the pipe and the concrete. One of them
[1:03:06]
now is going to come in horizontally
where that's much less likely to happen.
[1:03:11]
Um, just have to make the box a little
taller. It's a lot cheaper to put a
[1:03:14]
couple extra yards of concrete than have
to dig that up and replace a bunch of
[1:03:18]
pipe. Um,
>> cuz that will happen again.
[1:03:21]
» And doing that on both of the old units.
>> Yep.
[1:03:24]
» Yeah. Well, I mean, we don't know what
the other one is yet cuz we haven't
[1:03:28]
exposed it, but chances are pretty good.
>> Um, by the same contractor.
[1:03:36]
» Yeah. And and it's [clears throat] never
going to be cheaper for you guys to have
[1:03:38]
that done than when you got a contractor
sitting on site already doing that.
[1:03:42]
Right. So that's that's kind of the the
thought we had behind that.
[1:03:45]
» But the work's not done yet.
>> No, not on that part. No.
[1:03:50]
» No, they haven't even seen a design yet.
So um
[1:03:53]
» but they know it's coming and it
>> they know it's coming.
[1:03:56]
» Yeah.
>> Um they they've actually we've done a
[1:04:00]
lot of talking with them to say what's
the best option? What do you guys what
[1:04:04]
do you guys want to see? how can we
build this correctly that's easiest for
[1:04:08]
you to construct and have a good product
at the end. So that's been a good good
[1:04:12]
work with Northcon is has been we have a
lot of conversations back and forth of
[1:04:17]
you know what what's good what's bad
what do you think's best for
[1:04:20]
construction there's a lot of of
interaction with that and I think that
[1:04:23]
helps you get a better product the city
gets a better product really hard part
[1:04:28]
is once they start tearing into
something they find a bad spot they keep
[1:04:33]
kind of keep going it would be nice to
have all those parts picked up so like
[1:04:37]
our line going into the oxidation ditch
that
[1:04:41]
is in pretty bad shape, but
[clears throat] 10 ft away they're
[1:04:44]
putting in brand new penetrations, it
would make a lot of sense to have that
[1:04:49]
also through the brand new penetration.
>> Yep.
[1:04:52]
» That's also cost money and time. So, and
and in the process, you know, anytime we
[1:04:57]
have something that stops them because
we have a pipe that's rotten, you know,
[1:05:01]
that's affecting the schedule of what
time frame. That's why you always see on
[1:05:05]
a change order, you'll see they'll add
days because well, they had to go back
[1:05:08]
in and fix something that they didn't
intend to have to fix. They needed those
[1:05:11]
extra days because the sequence of
things that are happening change. They
[1:05:15]
had to do stop what they were should
have been doing to do something else.
[1:05:19]
» Um,
so I guess that's a long explanation.
[1:05:22]
Yes, I think we're on pretty good track.
>> Good. Um, right now today they kind of
[1:05:29]
uh they started hydrostatic testing the
the big new clarifier which means you're
[1:05:33]
just testing make sure it doesn't leak
or not. Um, see how that goes. Hopefully
[1:05:37]
that's good. Um,
[1:05:42]
last big concrete structure was poured
last Friday. That was the the return
[1:05:47]
activated slug bolt that sits right by
the old screw pumps. Um that's where all
[1:05:52]
the valving pretty much for all the
sludge coming out of the of the plant
[1:05:56]
will go through that system. Um
[1:06:01]
and then the last thing being those
little clarifier boxes. Those are pretty
[1:06:05]
easy structures. So I mean those won't
be a complicated thing. And then the
[1:06:08]
generator pad, you know, put the backup
uh power generator emergency generator
[1:06:13]
for the plant. Um,
[1:06:20]
» is the UV building complete now?
>> No.
[1:06:24]
» Structure-wise? Is it?
>> No. Then we still got half the old roof
[1:06:27]
needs to come off, but [clears throat]
we had to dump we had to drop all the
[1:06:30]
there's all the conduits for the
electrical ran through it. So, we had to
[1:06:33]
get all that dropped down before we
could get the old roof off. And we just
[1:06:37]
didn't want to expose it all. We could
have cut it all out and just ripped it
[1:06:40]
out in pieces. Then we'd have that whole
section where all your electrical
[1:06:43]
currently is running and the plant still
needing to be operated exposed to the
[1:06:47]
elements. We didn't want to do that.
Okay.
[1:06:49]
» So we can just have a day. I mean
literally to put the rest of the trusses
[1:06:54]
in will take a day. They'll they'll have
trusted sheeting in a day uh for the
[1:06:59]
remaining part. But the other half of it
over the old UV channels. Yeah. That's
[1:07:03]
all that's all been trust and sheeting.
[clears throat]
[1:07:06]
Um, obviously the new headworks have
concrete roof, so it's it's closed in.
[1:07:11]
Uh, and all all the uh pre-fabricated
concrete panels that were now parts of
[1:07:17]
the new buildings, uh, they're all up
and most of them are uh, culp and ready
[1:07:23]
to go. They're just finished up this
week on on getting some done.
[1:07:27]
» I know on the por they had issues with
the new headworks building floor. What
[1:07:32]
was ever resolved with that to get that
floor repaired?
[1:07:36]
» I think we did a lot of work with Croll
Concrete and uh their mix design person
[1:07:42]
and everybody else. The the contractor,
the subcontractor, Woodford Industrial
[1:07:46]
Concrete. Um
we changed the air and slump ratios a
[1:07:52]
little bit. Same concrete. We're able to
get a lot better, a lot more workable
[1:07:56]
money than and I think we address that
situation.
[1:08:00]
set floor is a little bit uneven in the
headworks and there's uh plans Northcon
[1:08:05]
already knows about it and they're
working with Woodford to fix it. I mean
[1:08:08]
that's on them. That's not on the city
that they have in you know if it's too
[1:08:14]
crooked
>> but it's not done yet. It's still in the
[1:08:16]
works to get done.
>> Yeah, they they'll probably just epoxy
[1:08:19]
coat it. Self-le selfleing epoxy coating
which that has to be coated anyhow. This
[1:08:25]
will just be a little bit more stuff.
But that'll be on our That's on.
[1:08:32]
Um,
[1:08:36]
do you know when the new clarifier will
be on?
[1:08:39]
I believe that by the end of the month,
I'm hoping to see that new clarifier
[1:08:44]
spinning and running. Um, I'm being
pretty optimistic. There's a lot of
[1:08:49]
stuff still to go in there. We got to
pass a hydrostatic test before we start
[1:08:53]
putting sewage in. So, I mean,
>> if all [laughter] goes well and
[1:08:57]
efficiently, [clears throat] I think
absolutely we can get that thing running
[1:09:00]
in in the time frame. Um, so that's huge
because that all the bypassing we're
[1:09:06]
doing, we can then start taking that
back into the plant, trading that and
[1:09:10]
clearing out that bypass.
>> Are we taking 100% of our sewage through
[1:09:15]
the plant yet?
>> Off and on.
[1:09:16]
» Off and on. I know some days that they
do have to bypass a little bit because
[1:09:21]
they just can't keep that that one
little clarifier from from stirring up
[1:09:25]
to that um and the last thing you want
to do is discharge scum into the river,
[1:09:31]
» right? Uh
Dean and Dean and Stephen work pretty
[1:09:36]
hard at trying to keep making sure that
you know they're making that water
[1:09:41]
clarifier doing work of two and and
spend a lot of work for them but they're
[1:09:44]
getting I mean
inevitably I think um the the by the way
[1:09:50]
the old uh lagoon is down a lot the last
few weeks having them being able to take
[1:09:57]
on full flow it's come down boy I don't
know 4T rough 3 ft probably.
[1:10:02]
» It's come down a bunch. So, looking a
lot better as far as capacity.
[1:10:06]
» Didn't hurt to have that.
>> Only thing good about the hot days was
[1:10:11]
that. Um, but everything else I think is
on track. I I think we're in a good
[1:10:15]
place and I suspect that by next spring
you're going to have a brand new
[1:10:18]
wastewater plant.
[1:10:23]
» All right. Well, we appreciate you
sharing that. Thanks, Michael. Um,
[1:10:28]
» thanks for your time, Bill. Yeah, we
appreciate it.
[1:10:32]
» Drew, do you have anything for finance?
[snorts]
[1:10:34]
» Uh, a few things. Uh, we received our
other post-employment benefit valuation
[1:10:39]
for fiscal year 26. This is the fiscal
year we have to do the full valuation.
[1:10:44]
Um, that actually went down with our new
insurance carrier, $80,75. [snorts]
[1:10:49]
[clears throat]
Uh, so the total liability there is
[1:10:53]
$298,58.
[1:10:56]
Uh we did receive a letter this week
that we did not receive the CDBG
[1:11:01]
planning grant that we applied for to
help pay for the capital improvement
[1:11:05]
plan. Um so we're making other other
plans or just moving forward without
[1:11:10]
part of that plan that we had originally
decided to do the payer part of it. Um
[1:11:16]
we got to make a final decision on that
and get moving forward. We also don't
[1:11:19]
want to lose our MSE funding uh for
which we applied and we're already
[1:11:23]
awarded money for that project. Um, and
then also I didn't get the notice in
[1:11:28]
time for this meeting, but we should be
getting a tip payment notice in between
[1:11:32]
now and the next council meeting. And
I'm expecting it to be around $570,000.
[1:11:38]
Um, so I'll let you guys know and put it
on the agenda for next council meeting.
[1:11:44]
That's all I had. [clears throat]
>> All right. Thanks, Drew. Um, interim
[1:11:48]
chief.
>> Um, like Twain said, [clears throat] we
[1:11:51]
expanded our patrol hours. Um, so our
officers have been pretty busy, staying
[1:11:55]
busy with calls for services. Um, from
August 18th through the 31st, we've had
[1:12:00]
a total of 104 calls for service. Um,
agency assists being at four, motor
[1:12:06]
vehicle accidents being at five,
reckless drivers being at three,
[1:12:10]
disturbances being at 30, animal
problems being at four, thefts being at
[1:12:14]
four, domestic disturbances and assaults
being at six, vandalisms being at 8,
[1:12:19]
pedestrian checks being at 23, traffic
stops being at six, DUI being at two,
[1:12:25]
fraud reports being at 9, and a total of
37 case reports created in that time
[1:12:29]
zone. Um, like point said, Officer
Longstreth went to the academy today, so
[1:12:35]
he'll be there for the next 3 months and
then come back. Officer [clears throat]
[1:12:39]
Sedarz has about a month and a half of
his field training left and then he'll
[1:12:42]
be on the streets. Um, we got we offered
a guy a conditional offer, so I have him
[1:12:48]
in backgrounds right now. So, I'm still
working on with that. Hopefully, we can
[1:12:51]
get him on soon if everything goes good.
And yeah, like I said, our officers have
[1:12:56]
been really busy doing a good job. So,
that's all I got. All right.
[1:13:00]
» I have a question for you.
>> Thank you. Yeah.
[1:13:02]
» Um, so you said how many calls of
service we have?
[1:13:04]
» 104.
>> Um, do you have a few months ago again
[1:13:09]
we have I heard I think numbers of over
300 340. Is that not anymore?
[1:13:15]
» It it changes. So the officers hasn't
been, you know, I tell them to patrol
[1:13:20]
around. Uh, what it used to be is
they'll go by residence and do a
[1:13:23]
security check and call it on the radio
to put a call for service in. Um, I
[1:13:27]
don't I don't know why. I'm going to
[clears throat] have them do it more,
[1:13:28]
but they haven't been putting that in
and they just been patrolling around.
[1:13:32]
Um, so that's probably what makes that
[clears throat] go up a little more.
[1:13:34]
» Okay.
>> Um,
[1:13:36]
» also that's a twoe period where George
report in a 30-day period.
[1:13:40]
» Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. Okay.
[1:13:41]
» Yeah. This is only the 18th through the
31st. So that's a pretty high call
[1:13:46]
volume from 18th through the 31st.
>> Okay. I was just curious.
[1:13:49]
» Thank you. And what are the hours now?
>> Um, I'm not going to give the patrol
[1:13:52]
hours out to the public, but I'll let
you know after.
[1:13:57]
Any other questions?
All right. Thank you, Jordan. Anything
[1:14:02]
for legal now or
>> we'll have a closed session to discuss
[1:14:05]
some legal matters.
>> Okay. And economic development. Tina.
[1:14:12]
» Good evening, council. Since our last
meeting, I have continued working with
[1:14:16]
our regional, state, and local partners
on several ongoing projects. I
[1:14:20]
participated in the MEA workshop or
excuse me, workforce connect meeting.
[1:14:26]
met with Rachel Young, our tour tourism
grant specialist,
[1:14:31]
participated in the USDA check-in with
Casey Watson and Maras Tusky with Fair
[1:14:36]
RCND and continued coordination with
Montana Main Street and Department of
[1:14:41]
Commerce. A significant portion of my
time has been focused on moving the
[1:14:46]
wayfinding implementation project into
the bidding phase. The bids are due
[1:14:52]
September 25th. I researched potential
companies and responded to companies
[1:14:57]
with questions about the project and the
bidding process. We are now moving from
[1:15:02]
the planning and research stage towards
implementation.
[1:15:07]
I also continued work on our tourism
efforts including zoom particip
[1:15:13]
excuse me including participating in a
zoom meeting with Alex with destination
[1:15:19]
IQ regarding the tourism website.
We have also been working with travel
[1:15:25]
stories, questions, and information as
we continue developing our tourism
[1:15:30]
resources. I've also been contacting
businesses to update information and
[1:15:35]
community listings for the visit
southeast Montana website. In addition,
[1:15:41]
I had a discussion with the local
business owner regarding the possibility
[1:15:46]
of a mural on his building as part of
our involvement with reimagining Ro. And
[1:15:51]
I also continue have continued
communication with HRDC
[1:15:57]
regarding the local properties and their
upcoming board meeting. Overall, the
[1:16:02]
focus this month has been on moving
current projects forward, particularly
[1:16:07]
the wayfinding project, while continuing
to develop our tourism resources,
[1:16:13]
maintain
partnerships, and identifying
[1:16:18]
uh opportunities for future economic and
community development.
[1:16:24]
» All right. Thank you, Tina. All right.
We'll move into resolutions and
[1:16:28]
ordinances.
Starting with resolution number 2449.
[1:16:33]
Resolution approve assessments being
placed on the real property tax roles as
[1:16:38]
a special assessment. [clears throat]
[1:16:43]
» Make a motion to approve resolution
2449.
[1:16:47]
» Second that motion.
>> Okay, it's been motioned and approve and
[1:16:51]
seconded to approve resolution number
2449 for the unpaid assessments.
[1:16:57]
Any further discussion on that? Those in
favor say I. I.
[1:17:01]
» Those opposed. Same sign. The motion
carries. Uh resolution number 2450
[1:17:07]
increasing uh increase rates and charges
for the users of the water system that
[1:17:13]
we discussed in the public hearing
tonight too.
[1:17:19]
» Make a motion to approve resolution
2450.
[1:17:25]
» Is there a second to that?
>> Second.
[1:17:27]
» Okay. It's been moved and seconded for
resolution number 2450
[1:17:32]
for the water rates. Any further
discussion? Those in favor say I.
[1:17:37]
» I.
>> Those opposed.
[1:17:40]
Okay. Motion carries. And then
resolution number 2451
[1:17:44]
for assessing lighting district number
one.
[1:17:50]
» I'll make a motion for resolution 2451.
>> Second.
[1:17:55]
» Okay. Okay, it's been moved and seconded
for resolution number 2451.
[1:17:59]
Any further discussion? Those in favor
say I.
[1:18:02]
» I.
>> Those opposed.
[1:18:05]
» Okay, motion carries on that resolution
number 2452,
[1:18:09]
assessing lighting district number 54.
>> Make a motion to approve resolution
[1:18:16]
2452.
>> Second.
[1:18:20]
» Okay. It's been moved and seconded to
approve resolution number 2452,
[1:18:24]
lighting district number 54. Any any
further discussion? Those in favor say
[1:18:30]
I.
>> I.
[1:18:31]
» Those opposed.
Okay. Moving into resolution 2453
[1:18:37]
assessing the cost of garbage disposal.
>> Make a motion to approve resolution
[1:18:43]
number 2453.
[1:18:48]
I'll second that motion.
>> Okay. It's been moved and seconded for
[1:18:51]
resolution number 2453.
Any other discussion on that?
[1:18:55]
» Yeah, I got a question. Now, this is
based on the cans or
[1:19:01]
» just a collection?
>> Collection.
[1:19:03]
» Both per cans. Both
>> per can.
[1:19:06]
» Both.
>> Both.
[1:19:07]
» Whether it's large or small.
>> What's the hospital at such a low rate?
[1:19:16]
» The same as a hospital. [clears throat]
Uh, depends on
[1:19:20]
» more.
>> No, I know.
[1:19:21]
» And they're they're being picked up
every day.
[1:19:24]
» That isn't that can't be hospital.
>> This might be a different hospital
[1:19:27]
property.
>> It's probably the house next to the
[1:19:30]
hospital.
>> There's different houses that they own.
[1:19:32]
» Yeah, cuz they own Raymond's old house,
right?
[1:19:39]
» Maybe we need to specify. [laughter]
>> That's what he property numbers for in
[1:19:44]
the lefth hand column. That's associated
with the property.
[1:19:46]
» Okay. I see it. I don't see which Oh, I
see it's hospital.
[1:19:51]
» You have to have the tax.
>> Yeah, you just have to look at the tax
[1:19:53]
number on the on the
>> Well, that's what my question was.
[1:19:56]
» You called them.
>> It threw It threw me off.
[1:19:59]
» Yeah, I see your question. Yeah, you
just saw the first one on there.
[1:20:02]
» All right, I'm good then.
>> Okay. Any other discussion? Those in
[1:20:07]
favor say I.
>> I. [clears throat]
[1:20:09]
» Those opposed.
Okay. Resolution number 2454
[1:20:14]
adopting the final uh budget for the
fiscal year 2627
[1:20:19]
that [clears throat] we discussed
tonight.
[1:20:21]
» Make a motion to approve resolution
2454.
[1:20:24]
» Second.
>> Okay, it's been moved and seconded for
[1:20:26]
resolution number 2454.
Any other discussion on that? Those in
[1:20:32]
favor say I. I.
>> Those opposed?
[1:20:36]
Okay. Motion carries in the resolution
number 2455
[1:20:41]
uh for taxes and levies fiscal year 26
and 27.
[1:20:46]
Make a motion to move resolution number
2455.
[1:20:51]
» Second.
>> Okay, it's been moved and seconded for
[1:20:54]
resolution number 2455.
Any other discussion? [clears throat]
[1:20:59]
Those in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:21:01]
» Those opposed.
>> Okay. Okay. And the last one is
[1:21:04]
resolution number 2456 amending the
landfill schedule.
[1:21:09]
» Make a motion to approve resolution
number 2456.
[1:21:14]
» I'll second it.
>> Okay. Moved and seconded to approve
[1:21:18]
resolution number 2456 for the landfill
schedule.
[1:21:22]
Any other discussion on that? I I think
I guess I did have a question on that
[1:21:27]
where it said a pickup truck 3/4 ton.
What would that difference be if it was
[1:21:36]
a one ton or a 3/4 ton pickup?
>> Box size.
[1:21:40]
» Box size perhaps.
[snorts]
[1:21:44]
» Typically the like one ton truck can
haul more than a 3/4 ton truck. So, we
[1:21:50]
have a different fee for a half ton
truck, a different fee for a 3/4 ton
[1:21:53]
truck, and a different fee for a one
[clears throat] ton truck. I
[1:21:56]
» I just kind of question. I thought that
was a pickup would
[1:22:00]
» kind of different.
>> Which line item are you looking in there
[1:22:04]
» or down to?
>> I just remember seeing it in here.
[1:22:07]
» Right. You
[1:22:16]
cars are light trucks up. So,
>> oh, sorry. I'm looking at tires. Um,
[1:22:22]
» yeah, there was [clears throat]
>> because it's based on weight. So, it's
[1:22:26]
not you're just they weigh in and out.
So, it's
[1:22:30]
» on the very bottom. City of Harden
residents hauling non-b businessiness
[1:22:32]
waste in vehicles no larger than a 3/4
ton pickup or equivalent size trailer
[1:22:38]
will not be charged a dump fee.
>> Correct. Yeah, that's me or you. That's
[1:22:42]
» city resident. So, if I roll in there
with my one ton truck and I'm going to
[1:22:47]
get charged for dumping my
[1:22:52]
» your commercial waste,
>> but I'm if I call my residential waste
[1:22:57]
up there and but my pickup is a one ton
pickup, I'm going to be charged whereas
[1:23:02]
it's saying 3/4 ton.
>> Well, it's saying no larger than a 3/4
[1:23:07]
ton pickup.
I think that we can address that, but
[1:23:10]
it's probably listed because they don't
want you bringing in like a twotonon
[1:23:14]
truck. So,
>> well, I'm just I just thought that I saw
[1:23:16]
it and I
>> Well, I see the point.
[1:23:20]
» Um,
>> what's the difference if I have a one
[1:23:21]
ton truck or a 3/4 ton truck if do I
make, you know, two trips with a
[1:23:27]
» I it just seemed odd.
>> You're not talking construction stuff.
[1:23:30]
You're just talking like just said just
waste. You know, if I'm going to bring
[1:23:34]
up waste, does it make a difference what
I'm bringing it up in?
[1:23:40]
We can we can address it.
>> I think what they're looking at is
[1:23:44]
mainly you doing commercial,
>> but that's separated in in it above
[1:23:50]
saying commercial waste has a
[clears throat]
[1:23:53]
» I don't think that they'd charge you for
if you had a one one ton truck bringing
[1:23:57]
it up there with a pickup box full of
garbage bags or something from your
[1:24:03]
house. Um
>> leaves. So, should that be struck from
[1:24:06]
the
>> Jordan? Do you have any [snorts]
[1:24:09]
suggestion? Can we
>> see that out into a pickup and
[1:24:13]
» you can change it? I'm not sure if it's
an actual issue.
[1:24:16]
» I'm not familiar with anybody ever
raising that as a problem that anybody's
[1:24:19]
ever been charged
>> under that scenario. I mean, you make a
[1:24:22]
good point, but I'm just not sure
[clears throat]
[1:24:25]
» if anybody's ever been charged. If they
did, they can come to
[1:24:29]
» I think the rate really was reflected
and they just probably grabbed the
[1:24:33]
number, but they're not looking for two
ton trucks coming through, you know,
[1:24:39]
manager that's up there would would take
that into consideration.
[1:24:44]
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:24:45]
» I Yeah, I don't check your residence as
well.
[1:24:50]
» It's a good point, George. But yeah,
>> I don't think
[1:24:54]
» I think it is kind of a combination
between like what Steve said is, you
[1:24:59]
know, you bring a F450, F550 full
>> loaded down or
[1:25:05]
» they're talking their basic
lighter duty pickup truck. But okay,
[1:25:11]
» then you got to prove that you're
up that you for 6 months.
[1:25:18]
» Okay, it's been moved and seconded. Um,
any other discussion on that?
[1:25:23]
Okay. Those in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:25:26]
» Those opposed.
>> I.
[1:25:28]
» Okay. [clears throat]
Um, public comment. Any public comment
[1:25:34]
tonight?
[1:25:40]
Okay. Seeing none, move into
announcements. Um, city website,
[1:25:44]
hardenmonttana.gov.
Montana spelled out. And then our email
[1:25:49]
addresses will be the same exact prefix
uh just will be at mont pardon
[1:25:54]
montana.gov instead of hardenm.com the
old one. So same prefixes on those email
[1:26:00]
addresses. Request for bids and
estimates and addendum uh phase one of
[1:26:05]
the city's wayfinding implementation
project due by 3 p.m. September 25th,
[1:26:11]
2026.
uh still openings for the city full-time
[1:26:15]
police officer and general labor and
part-time general labor landfill and
[1:26:20]
then we will have a close session for
legal. So [clears throat] make a motion
[1:26:25]
to close the
existing meeting
[1:26:30]
close session
[1:26:36]
motion to adjourn the meeting for the
regular council meeting. Second that.
[1:26:40]
» Okay. [laughter]
Moved and second to adjurnn the meeting.
[1:26:42]
Any discussion? More discussion. Those
in favor say I.
[1:26:46]
» I.
>> Those opposed. Okay. Meeting is
[1:26:49]
adjourned. 7:15.