[0:36] Are you ready? Are we all ready? Okay. It is 6 p.m. I'm going to open this in the council meeting in the December 3rd, 2025,

[0:48] roll call please.

[0:50] Dr. Beckley. Here. Palashin. Here. Fred Toby. Here. Casey Dick. Brian Goodspeed. Here. Jim Weaseman. Here. And Patrick Kale.

[1:02] We're

[1:04] a calendar of upcoming events.

[1:06] Next schedule commission meeting is Monday,

[1:07] December 15th, 2025 at 8.30.

[1:10] Our next schedule for County Council meeting will be Wednesday,

[1:13] December 17th, coming close by at 6 p.m. both here, same location.

[1:19] First off, we have adoption of minutes for

[1:22] our last regularly held meeting from November 5th.

[1:26] We'll cancel a moment to renew and then I'll entertain a motion.

[1:31] I'm a motion.

[1:34] I'm a motion to vote me.

[1:38] I have a second.

[1:39] I'll second.

[1:40] I'm good speaker.

[1:44] All in favor?

[1:46] That's approved.

[1:59] I'm going to open the floor now for public comment regarding action items,

[2:04] but I do have a request from some people to talk in general.

[2:07] Council have any issues with them?

[2:09] Speaking very quickly about, okay.

[2:12] First up, I did not forget who's first up.

[2:15] You want to get the list?

[2:17] We'll just read off this first one.

[2:20] That's the Chancellor.

[2:21] I'll give you the list then so you'll have it.

[2:23] Thank you very much.

[2:25] Have a good one.

[2:26] I've done no division I.

[2:28] Good job.

[2:30] I'll stay here and be a partner in health.

[2:32] Thank you so much.

[2:36] Well, you said my name.

[2:38] I'm assuming we have to say our name

[2:39] and where we're from, right?

[2:41] At least your name.

[2:41] Okay, Jackie can answer from Blackford County, from Harper City.

[2:46] And I just kind of wanted to like talk to y'all just generally about some concerns.

[2:52] And I know we're given three minutes, I think my husband's going to give me his three minutes.

[2:57] But one won't take too long, but I'm just asking for some grace as I talk through some

[3:03] stuff with you.

[3:04] But first I just want to ask you guys a couple questions if I could.

[3:08] And the first question I'm going to ask you is the same question that I've asked the commissioner since 2001.

[3:15] And today, I really appreciate the honest answers they've given when I've asked this question.

[3:20] Because sometimes when you put on a spot and you're asked a question and I don't even want to say or how to answer,

[3:24] they didn't answer honestly, and I really appreciate that.

[3:27] I'm going to ask you guys the exact same question, and then I'm going to tell you what my response was when I was asked this question.

[3:33] So, the question I have for you is this, have you guys read the Indiana Constitution?

[3:40] Have you read it?

[3:43] Part of it.

[3:44] You've read part of it?

[3:46] Portions?

[3:47] Yeah.

[3:47] Portions of it?

[3:48] Okay.

[3:49] And that's kind of the answer that they gave me too.

[3:51] They said, yeah, I've read portions of it, part of it.

[3:54] Two commissioner meetings ago, Dan actually said he hadn't read it yet.

[3:58] And this time when I asked, he said he'd started reading it and the other two said

[4:01] the same thing, part of it, some of it, that kind of thing. And I was like, yeah, okay. I was kind

[4:08] of shocked that they hadn't really finished reading it because of like how important the Indiana

[4:12] Constitution is, especially when we have elected officials, officers swearing, you know, to uphold

[4:19] the Constitution. So I was like, oh, it concerns me that people raise the right hand and swear

[4:24] no to something that they haven't even read, but I also get it. So that's why I'm going to

[4:28] to be honest with you and let you know.

[4:30] And I was asked that very same question five years ago

[4:33] as a government teacher,

[4:35] I couldn't give them an answer of yes.

[4:38] Shame on me, right?

[4:40] Shame on me.

[4:40] Like I knew the US Constitution,

[4:42] but I didn't know my own state constitution here.

[4:45] I was teaching in the state of India.

[4:48] And we were also at a point, right?

[4:49] In 2020, we were trying to figure out

[4:51] what the heck's going on with our country?

[4:53] What's going on with our state?

[4:54] We're going through COVID.

[4:56] We're going through all these crazy things.

[4:57] And I'm trying to figure out one as a teacher and one as a person like how can we fix this?

[5:03] And somebody asked me that question. Have you read the Indiana State Constitution? I had to say no.

[5:09] Then I said to myself, maybe I should open that book and maybe I should start reading it.

[5:14] And I did. And what I found absolutely amazing was these epiphanies that were coming to me.

[5:20] And I'm being straight up honest with you. Like I'm like, oh my gosh, I've been praying for wisdom.

[5:25] God says this, pray for wisdom. I will give it to you. Do the research. So that's

[5:32] what I started doing. I started doing research and I really started investigating

[5:36] what was in our Indiana Constitution. You want to know what I found? I found

[5:40] that the Almighty God gave people rights. The Almighty God. It is said in

[5:46] all 50 state constitutions, believe it or not, and the United States Constitution.

[5:50] and I'm like, I love my God.

[5:52] And he gave us these rights.

[5:54] Then as I started doing more research

[5:56] and I started thinking about all the stuff

[5:58] I've been teaching in history and government,

[5:59] I started thinking about, you know,

[6:01] our founding fathers were pretty smart cookies.

[6:04] And the reason why they were smart

[6:05] is because they took these wonderful, glorious rights

[6:09] that we've been given by God

[6:11] and they put them in a document

[6:14] and that document's called the Constitution.

[6:16] But they were so smart

[6:18] Then what they decided to do is they had the rights over on one side and then they established

[6:24] government.

[6:25] And when they established government, they told government officials this one thing.

[6:30] One thing.

[6:31] It is your sole job to protect the rights of the people.

[6:35] That's yours.

[6:36] The government, our elected servants, is their sole job to protect the rights of

[6:40] the people.

[6:41] How are you going to do that?

[6:42] Well, we're going to split up those three branches of government and y'all are going

[6:46] to hold each other accountable. And if you start messing with people's rights, the people's

[6:50] then now, our founding fathers put in there, the people can actually write a little note

[6:54] to the government and say, hey, I have some injury here. There's a problem here. Somebody's

[7:00] infringing upon my rights. And for the most part, we know what those rights are. We've

[7:05] got freedom of speech. We have freedom of religion. We've got all these things, right?

[7:09] We kind of can name them, right? There's a lot more rights in there that we've

[7:12] given them kind of forget about. One of those is we can write notes to our elected

[7:19] officials saying hey I've been injured in this way and I need remedy. I need

[7:25] somebody to listen to how I'm being injured and I need my government official,

[7:29] my officers, my sheriff, my police, my firefighter, whatever it is. I need them

[7:35] to come and like listen to my note that I'm writing you and address and

[7:40] And address that. I'm seeking remedy.

[7:44] The fancy words for that is redress of grievance, right?

[7:47] So we've been given this right to redress of grievances, and people have been doing that.

[7:54] Along with another one of those rights is we have the right to a jury of our peers.

[7:58] It's called due process of law.

[8:01] These things are the epiphanies that I was, that I was all of a sudden starting to understand.

[8:06] and I thought, you know what, I need to start sharing that with the government officials

[8:09] because the sad part is our government officials haven't been talking the same thing. They haven't.

[8:15] We failed. I failed as a teacher for 17 years because I didn't know it. If I could go back

[8:20] to my students and apologize that I didn't teach them according to the Constitution,

[8:24] you better believe I wouldn't have hurt people. Because now I know different. Because

[8:28] I've studied and I've learned. I've dug in books, hours and hours and hours.

[8:33] So what I did is I took the knowledge and wisdom that God has been giving me and we've been teaching other people.

[8:41] And I think the part that we've missed is we haven't talked to you guys in layman terms.

[8:48] We haven't. And I apologize for that.

[8:51] So my goal tonight is just to kind of cover a couple of those things and let you know what that's all about.

[8:57] We've been coming to you and we've been reading these notices to you, right?

[9:00] these notices and Napa Davis, we've done commissioners and the zoning board and last night we're

[9:06] whatever that meeting was was like and ordinance something or other and

[9:12] and so we've been giving you these things and these wonderful you know legal document all this

[9:18] kind of stuff. These are the notes that I told you that people could write to our officials and

[9:24] say, Hey, this is the injury that we feel that we have received. And we would like to

[9:31] have remedy to this injury. Could you please look at it? In fact, we're writing everything

[9:37] down in this notice that says what the law is. It's called the Constitution, which is

[9:42] the common law. It protects our rights, fundamental principles, there's things called map sums

[9:47] of law that back all of that up. We've been giving that to you, hoping that you

[9:53] would read it. We would want you to read it. We would want you to investigate what's actually

[9:58] in it so then you can come back and say, hey, we're listening to you. I read your letter.

[10:05] I'm going to write it with our back. We've asked for that. So when we ask for at the

[10:10] very end, please take further notice. Could you please respond to us like in a sworn

[10:16] affidavit, under penalty of purchase, because that's what we're doing, that you as

[10:21] government elected have been given the right to do what you do. Like we're just

[10:28] asking you to keep us in the Constitution where you have been granted

[10:32] authority to use the power that you're using to make the legislation laws

[10:38] whatever show us where did you get that from. In fact we've given so many days

[10:44] we'll say hey can you do that in 10 days 20 days 30 days can you get back

[10:47] with us just show us in the Constitution granted the authority to

[10:51] do what you're doing. That's, I mean, fair. So you just give a notice, hey, can you like, like,

[10:57] get back with us on. And also in there, we stated that after 16 days, if you don't respond to us,

[11:08] then you agree with us. No problem. You agree with us. Perfectly fine. People in Michigan

[11:14] can say hunky dory, swanky, right? No one. Hundreds, hundreds of notices in affidavits

[11:22] have been given. People are like pouring their heart out. They're sharing these

[11:27] notes, these grievances with you. And not one elected government official has

[11:33] responded to the notice. That's a good thing and not such a good thing. The

[11:39] good thing is for the people that have been submitting them because by tax

[11:43] acquiescence that people have already won. You've agreed to everything that's in the notice

[11:49] and you probably don't even realize it. And the reason why you don't realize it

[11:53] is because what has happened is this. The notice has been taken, it's been handed,

[11:59] I'm going to hand this to you by the way, it's been handed and then on hot light more than one

[12:05] time in numerous meetings throughout all the counties it's been handed over to the county

[12:11] council, an attorney, a lawyer. They've handed it over and this is what they've

[12:17] said. What do we do with these?

[12:21] And the attorney says back to the people, back to

[12:25] the county council, a commissioner, whoever it is. It's nothing. It's a

[12:30] nothing burner. It's you don't have to do anything with that. It's nothing

[12:34] burner. It's totally that sovereign citizen stuff which I'm gonna put on

[12:38] record right now. It doesn't have anything to do with sovereign

[12:40] sovereign citizenship, sovereign citizenship as a folks, it's stupid, it's dumb, and that's

[12:46] not what these are about. It's just we the people coming to you writing you a note saying,

[12:51] here's where we think our injury is and we need you to fix it. We need you to listen

[12:56] to the will of the people, the common good of the people, the public good of the people.

[13:00] That's all we want you to do. And show us in the Constitution where you've got

[13:04] the authority to do what you're doing, right? So they hand it over to the attorney.

[13:08] The attorney tells him it's a nothing burner and you guys really don't pull it out and read it because you've been told by county council that you don't, it's a nothing burner.

[13:18] You realize we're the county council, right? Well, I meant like when I say council, I mean a attorney council, like the council, like your attorneys, your lawyers, that kind of thing. Not, not you guys. But when I say.

[13:29] council, I mean, you know, we don't have that same attorney. We have a different attorney.

[13:33] Right. You all have different ones. I'm talking in generic terms. Like, you know,

[13:36] like the commissioners have theirs, you guys have yours, the only board has theirs, everybody

[13:40] has theirs. But they're turning it over to the attorney that's affiliated with the board.

[13:45] This is something I want to ask you guys.

[13:50] Who's alive? The person that raised their hand

[13:53] and sworn oath to the Constitution or the attorney? I can tell you right now the

[13:59] The attorney is not the one being held liable.

[14:01] It's the person that raised the hand for the oath

[14:03] to the Constitution.

[14:05] The attorney has billable hours.

[14:08] Person doesn't have to swear an oath.

[14:10] But I'll bet your bottom dollar if you go to the attorney

[14:13] and you say, will you swear under penalty of perjury

[14:17] that you are advising the boards

[14:21] according to the common law

[14:22] that the people are coming to you with.

[14:25] I can bet you your bottom dollar they won't

[14:27] because they're not beholden to that. They won't, but you guys are beholden to it.

[14:36] If they even remotely pause when you ask that question, I would hope that you guys would have an

[14:43] aha moment because they have not advised you according to common law and the Constitution.

[14:50] They haven't advised you according to what our rights are and that it's your job to uphold.

[14:57] We'd ask for you to come and show us.

[15:00] We literally could take our notices and affidavits because we've won by tax

[15:06] acquiescence. Tax that means silent, acquiescence mean no response is a

[15:10] response, ignorance of the law is no excuse. We could take those and submit those

[15:17] in a judicial court, won by an elected judge. We could ask for a jury of our

[15:22] peers. Do you really think in Blackford County when you've got hundreds and

[15:28] hundreds and thousands of people telling me we do not want large corporations coming into our county

[15:34] and taking over our county with solar farms and wind farms and CO2 capture and et cetera,

[15:41] et cetera, et cetera. And no matter what you say, it's been proven and affidavit and notices

[15:47] I've given you that public money is being used for non-public purposes.

[15:53] Supreme Court, July 2024, Trump versus USA came down and said there's absolutely no

[16:01] immunity for an unofficial act. If you're acting outside of the granted authority that

[16:08] has been given to you by the people, you've committed an unofficial act and you have

[16:14] zero immunity for that.

[16:18] Why am I saying this? I don't want anybody to be into that kind of trouble.

[16:25] But what I can say is that people are demanding, we have the right to demand,

[16:32] that people are demanding that you take our notices in our affidavit seriously,

[16:36] that you investigate it, and you come back to us and show us where you've been given

[16:41] than constitutional authority, not case law, not statutes,

[16:46] not codes, not ordinances, actual constitution

[16:51] where you've been granted authority

[16:55] to abrogate the rights of the people,

[16:58] the public good, the will of the people.

[17:00] That's what we're asking.

[17:02] Humble, demanding.

[17:06] So now if you guys have questions for me,

[17:08] if you're free to ask them, be more than happy to.

[17:11] Yeah, could you clarify? You said, you said nothing burner. It's a figure of

[17:18] speech. It's a nothing burner. That's a nothing burner, which means, oh, this

[17:21] doesn't mean anything. It's just the people grinding. It doesn't hold or

[17:24] stand. It won't stand. You know, that's a nothing. It's a nothing burner.

[17:30] That's, and so, yeah, yeah, sorry. Is that lingo like swanky and hippie

[17:36] skippy and you know kind of belly but yeah it's a nothing burner so yeah so if

[17:43] you guys have any questions if you guys want to meet later I mean there are so

[17:47] many of us that have been like doing this and once again it's it's not because

[17:52] we want to come at you or have one over on you or anything like that it

[17:56] doesn't it's not that it's we want you to come so we can learn together and

[18:00] so that you can actually see hey this is what the Constitution actually says

[18:04] And this is what you've been granted authority to do and this is what you haven't been granted authority to do

[18:10] And if you're ever in doubt don't right and then you look at it go

[18:13] Oh, does that advocate the rights of the people does that go against their right if it goes against their right?

[18:20] It's a flat out. No

[18:23] If you're not sure assemble with the people and ask you're not beholden to the attorney you've been holding to the people

[18:33] What exactly do you think that county council has done that's in violation?

[18:37] Now, I haven't read the entire Indiana Constitution, but I've read the United States Constitution several times.

[18:44] I've been a law enforcement for 30 years, so I take that serious, the legal wrangling.

[18:52] But as far as county council, I don't know what you mean when you say that we have violated your rights.

[18:57] And if you feel agreed, there are courses that you can take to remedy that.

[19:04] You can't demand the very body that you say has caused these problems to fix those problems.

[19:12] It wouldn't be proper.

[19:14] So specifically then.

[19:17] What has Kennedy Council done that you feel is a violation of the Indiana State Constitution,

[19:22] which is basically the United States Constitution Water Bank.

[19:25] That's where they got most of that stuff.

[19:27] So my question to you is I'm going to ask you a question with this answer. I'm going to give you a question to answer this.

[19:36] What have you voted on that deals with money?

[19:40] That is our sole responsibility as a county council.

[19:44] So if you voted on anything dealing with public monies, tax monies,

[19:52] that is for a non-public purpose.

[19:55] in other words, there's no such thing as a private public contract. It's not in the Constitution.

[20:03] So if you voted on anything that deals with a public private contract, I will be very specific

[20:11] with this. If you have voted on any kind of contract whatsoever that deals with paying RWE

[20:17] to come into our county as an economic entity for economic development, if you have had

[20:24] anything to do with that. It is a non-public purpose because it is paying private landowners

[20:32] to put equipment on their land. We've been told specifically by the commissioners in economic

[20:37] development that Blackford County has spent a single dime on these Windows 4 projects.

[20:42] And we've given Athedavid and notices that that's not true. And I gave that information

[20:48] last night they took pictures of exactly where all that money is being

[20:54] fuddled down to just by the fact that you give a tax abatement to a private

[21:00] landowner and you don't give the same tax abatement to every single private

[21:05] person in the county. We haven't given the tax abatement to a private individual.

[21:10] It will happen. We haven't. We can't. We can't even think that we might or might be

[21:16] with the future. So you're saying all tax evasions for anything? Not if it's done

[21:21] with the will of the people. See, this is the biggest issue. What was the

[21:27] will of the people, how will the people be determined by elections? This could

[21:33] actually go to a vote. So let me ask you this question. If you took every

[21:38] single person in Blackford County and you just did one election on whether

[21:42] where people wanted to have wind turbines, solar farms,

[21:47] CO2, battery storage.

[21:49] If you had all the people come and just do the one vote

[21:53] and whether the public good,

[21:55] the common good of the people wanted these things here,

[22:00] I could tell you without a shadow

[22:02] with down 95% of the people would say no.

[22:05] No.

[22:06] Well, let's put it to the vote then.

[22:08] Not that many people put our public meetings.

[22:10] Not a public meeting, I'm talking an official vote.

[22:13] Yeah.

[22:14] Well, you're also saying developmentally, thanks.

[22:18] So it's called the common good.

[22:19] So this is part of the research that needs to be done.

[22:22] We've given it to you in multiple of these notices and affidavits.

[22:27] It's all in there.

[22:28] The Supreme Court decisions, where the money comes from,

[22:32] how it's filtered down through these companies that operate in the commerce.

[22:37] Whenever you have a company that operates in the commerce,

[22:39] they are held under the same standards as you guys are. They can't do anything in

[22:45] commerce that goes against the will of the people or the common good of the

[22:48] people. It's kind of like you wouldn't have a house of ill repute. You wouldn't

[22:54] have prostitution or a porn something in this county. You just wouldn't. Why?

[23:00] Because the people wouldn't want it. Because it's statutorily prohibited by

[23:04] law. So yeah. And you realize and I guess we're gonna have to wrap this

[23:10] If you feel you've been wrong, I encourage everybody to take proper action.

[23:15] Okay, so, and giving you notes and after David says, proper action and now what we need you to do is

[23:21] That's not proper action. There are courts of law that you can file injunctions and you can file all the motions that you want.

[23:31] If you think we have broken the law, I encourage you to do so.

[23:38] Just going back, I just, the last thing I'm going to say is when you come as one of the

[23:42] people, you come by surrogate, and when you come by surrogate, it means you come by right.

[23:48] Again, we're talking about the Constitution.

[23:50] We have our rights.

[23:52] We can come as not only people to come to you and just talk to you, and that's basically

[23:56] what we do.

[23:56] And we've been with you 23 minutes?

[23:58] And that is like full of rights, I think.

[24:01] And engagement and dialogue is important, I'm not saying that.

[24:04] I am just saying that.

[24:05] And I think we got fundamental disagreements on certain things.

[24:09] I think we probably agree on a lot of things,

[24:11] but at this point, this is a,

[24:13] we don't have a lot of say in approval

[24:15] of what goes and what doesn't.

[24:17] Our only best and interest in that was a tax abatement.

[24:20] And that's a whole other discussion

[24:22] from whether that should be here or not.

[24:23] That was a money money issue

[24:25] that reached a very serious

[24:27] and deliberated on quite a bit.

[24:31] Appreciate what you guys do.

[24:33] No, thank you.

[24:34] Thank you.

[24:38] So, if you guys want to talk or just get all your time, that's all right.

[24:43] She had one. Okay. Everybody then good.

[24:47] Thank you guys very much. I really appreciate it.

[24:51] And we, I'm, I'm free to talk after the meeting.

[24:54] Or we'll make myself available. I'm glad.

[24:57] Okay.

[24:59] Okay. Real quick, we're going to move things around judge by you want to talk about additional appropriation real quick.

[25:05] And then you've got another commitment. So thank you so much for what accommodate I appreciate the clarification because I've been saying nothing burger for most of my life.

[25:16] I've always said that.

[25:17] I'm saying the wrong.

[25:18] I don't know.

[25:18] Yeah.

[25:19] The burger folks appreciate the time reason I reached out for the additional appropriation requests.

[25:27] in our funding line item for juvenile detention over the last six or seven years

[25:34] we've managed to stay within the constraints of our original request each

[25:38] year as my usual circumstances this year that resulted in a couple of lengthier

[25:43] stays and secured facilities that required money expenditure without state

[25:49] or federal assistance and billing that is going to come in as due this month

[25:55] is going to cede in the budget amounts that I have in the year.

[26:01] So certainly want to avoid doing them to the red.

[26:04] My original intent was to request additional $5,000 that would have covered the billing.

[26:11] The future billing I'm going to give this month that technically wouldn't be paid until next month will be an additional $4,000.

[26:18] I'm happy to go ahead and take the five.

[26:20] I use next year's budget to cover the incoming billing for this month due next month.

[26:27] And then hopefully next year shakes it early to where it washes or evens out through the

[26:32] year.

[26:33] I just wanted to kind of make aware of the fact that if I don't ask for the full amount

[26:39] now, though, if we do run into a strange occurrence at the end of next year, will we have more

[26:46] than we would anticipate as far as the attention on math to come back for an additional

[26:49] next year as well, since that budget's already set. But year over year, we've usually had anywhere

[26:55] from two to six thousand dollars left in that line item, two to five thousand, excuse me,

[27:01] left in that line item. So it's not a regular problem.

[27:08] So if we just hold with the five thousand and then we need eight hundred and two hundred for

[27:13] during meals? Yes, as well. And I apologize. I thought that was written as a transfer

[27:19] early request. If that was an additional appropriation, that is correct.

[27:23] That's what we need to do. Okay, we can move that in. We can move that through transfers.

[27:27] Lisa. I mean, we can, but it's already been advertised as an additional way till December

[27:34] 17th meeting since we advertise at all. For that one, that will not create a problem

[27:40] for me. Additional appropriation, not the problem for juvenile detention. We can do that.

[27:43] I do need to take up today.

[27:46] Okay.

[27:48] Discussion question now

[27:52] motion to approve additional appropriation.

[27:56] Mind this being with a motion.

[27:59] Didn't wisdom.

[28:00] And that was just the 5,000.

[28:02] Yeah, 5,000.

[28:03] They'll have to do the pedigree and jury mills separately.

[28:07] This is the set.

[28:08] That's a message.

[28:09] So we should all transfer.

[28:10] And I don't want to.

[28:12] and ask for it tonight in the incorrect.

[28:15] So I'd like to double check and make sure

[28:17] and I'll clarify it forward.

[28:18] Either way, I don't know as an advertisement.

[28:21] Yes, we do a transfer or an invention.

[28:23] Absolutely, well, I have a first and I have a second

[28:26] for $5,000,

[28:31] I got a vote all in favor of $5,000.

[28:34] I think we can do this one.

[28:35] Through five though.

[28:37] Thank you folks and a quick preview

[28:38] for that for next year.

[28:40] I'll solicit some options or offers

[28:43] If any local facilities are offering a monthly expense, the whole positions for us through

[28:50] the year, all way down to what we've done in the past to see if there might be any savings

[28:54] benefit involved, and all approaching with that begin in the year, if I think there's

[28:58] a way that we can eliminate the risk for potential additional occurring or maybe manage

[29:04] that cost more appropriately over the year, I find something like no.

[29:08] Is it new that took more, or is it certain ones are just in there longer?

[29:14] So, this particular time, it wasn't necessarily more.

[29:17] It's the two of them required a facility.

[29:20] They did not utilize subsidy funding from the state or federal government that I typically receive.

[29:27] And again, I'm hoping that will continue to be not a problem as opposed to habit creating.

[29:33] But for backup options,

[29:35] There are some facilities that will accept low monthly payments over the course of the year and they reserve a spot for you

[29:42] for when those instances occur and then you pay nothing extra.

[29:45] Okay.

[29:46] And all these math to see if that would make more sense or less sense and get with you if I think there can be a savings reliant.

[29:53] Okay.

[29:54] One.

[29:55] Anything else you need from me?

[29:56] I really want to pay on that.

[29:59] Oh, is it working or not?

[30:00] 5,000. Well, it comes out of county general. Well, yeah, it's, yeah, so that's what circuit course, county general.

[30:11] General, I hope to dump back into it. If I have leftovers, name my other funds. So thank you, judge. Sure. Thank you all. Have a great night.

[30:25] Okay, let's go back up to.

[30:27] the action items, the 2026 salary orders.

[30:32] I think we've got all ready for approval.

[30:36] There's been no changes or anything like that.

[30:40] I don't need to make a motion to approve.

[30:47] I'm just here with a motion to add a second.

[30:50] I'll sign it in.

[30:51] I'll sign it with a second to do a roll call with on this.

[30:59] Chair Muizman?

[31:00] A question.

[31:03] My son-in-law is in here.

[31:05] Should I abstain from this one?

[31:08] No.

[31:09] I approve.

[31:13] Who are we at?

[31:14] Brian Gidsby?

[31:15] Hi.

[31:16] Fred Toby?

[31:17] Pardon.

[31:17] Kyle Lushin?

[31:18] Hi.

[31:19] And Jack Beckley?

[31:21] Thanks.

[31:27] Next up, we have a request from the Whiteford County Historical Society.

[31:32] There was some confusion on these forms.

[31:35] I guess they haven't heard of this for a couple of years.

[31:38] That is correct.

[31:38] I've sent it to them and I don't know that they've.

[31:40] They didn't work in it, or they didn't turn it in time, so they have not been getting funding the last several years.

[31:46] So, talk with Mr. Tabor, and we've worked it out, and these come in and ask for this. So, with presented to the council for a request for special funds.

[31:57] I didn't get one last year.

[32:00] No. So they have, for some reason, they've not been turning to these.

[32:03] this forward.

[32:05] I just didn't get it filled out for a lot of people here.

[32:09] So they haven't received any funding from us for a couple of them.

[32:15] Thank you.

[32:18] Thank you.

[32:19] We'll pay out of the permits.

[32:22] This is something I want to pay this year.

[32:25] Yeah.

[32:25] Because they have they've been.

[32:28] This is for 26.

[32:30] Yeah.

[32:30] Yeah. This is for 26.

[32:35] Yeah.

[32:41] I'll entertain a motion.

[32:43] Oh, okay.

[32:45] I'll tell you what the motion, do I have a second?

[32:49] Second.

[32:50] Jim Wiesman with a second.

[32:52] We'll go ahead and do a roll call vote on this.

[32:55] So we're doing the 2000.

[32:57] Okay.

[33:01] Jim Wiesman?

[33:02] Aye.

[33:02] Ryan Goodspeed?

[33:03] Aye.

[33:04] Fred Tobi, Kyle Lashane, and Jack Bethway.

[33:08] The question is for Drew Fother.

[33:18] Rainier Day Fund, do you want me to like to put some money in that you're going to fund?

[33:27] Do you want to see the copy in your packets from the resolution we did that's awarding?

[33:35] We don't have anything to fund.

[33:38] There's no day funds, plus

[33:45] an amount available in the weekend probably.

[33:48] It's a 10 percent and it is 300 million $3,022,553.28, so roughly $300,000.

[34:04] We've always had a pretty healthy rainy day fund that has been helpful in rainy days,

[34:09] So I do encourage the council to approve the amount to be transferred into that fund.

[34:17] I understand the motion for the amount.

[34:21] Do we know how much we've used? How much have we used this year?

[34:38] I don't know that we have.

[34:43] What number is that?

[34:45] The very bottom is 34.

[34:46] Oh, there it is, 1186. No, we have not used anything this year.

[34:50] We're currently at 1.2 million.

[34:51] So maybe we don't have to put as much in as we had before.

[34:58] Any recommendations, Lisa?

[35:02] I mean, I would say probably 200,000, 100,000, 200,000.

[35:09] We'll get the numbers.

[35:10] Yeah.

[35:12] I'll make a motion with maybe 300,000.

[35:15] Write this fee with a motion to transfer $200,000 to the regular day of funding.

[35:22] Do I have a second?

[35:23] I'll second that.

[35:33] I will have the new resolution next meeting since I didn't know how much we were going to do, so I will have a new resolution to sign it on the 17th.

[36:01] Non-action matters.

[36:02] Department heads, anybody have?

[36:04] What do you mean, department heads?

[36:07] Oh, sorry, Tyler.

[36:09] We don't talk about them.

[36:10] We don't talk about them.

[36:11] They're active.

[36:18] Committee reports.

[36:20] Committee corrections.

[36:24] Department heads, you got it?

[36:25] Yeah, we're great.

[36:26] 100.

[36:27] Solid waste.

[36:30] He's on here in economic development.

[36:32] That's no important.

[36:34] Life for development.

[36:38] In the LAPC.

[36:44] Financial reports.

[36:45] courts ending cash balance as of November 2025, $3,022,553.28, total expenditures for

[36:53] November 2025, $542,481.33, total revenue for November 2025, $212,751.93, additional appropriations

[37:09] We have addressed third decor and we have EMS lift or

[37:21] just move that from the subsidy

[37:24] to be able to pay the subsidy bill.

[37:26] That is correct.

[37:29] This is for the infants?

[37:31] Yes.

[37:34] What happened was in 2024

[37:41] there was a check that was written that was fraudulently tried

[37:47] to cash.

[37:50] So we didn't, we had to pay that money out of it.

[37:53] really came out of 2024, but we had to void that check. So, but it wasn't void until 2025,

[37:59] but it didn't put that money back in 2025. So, that's why we're short. So, we had to pay it out

[38:03] of 2025's budget. It was really 24's, but we paid it out of that. So, that's why it is off.

[38:10] That makes sense. It was a fraudulent. Somebody had changed the name on it,

[38:15] on the check, and luckily it was a lot of money, so they, it was $250,000, but yeah.

[38:24] No suspects? No, no, because it was in the mail and so then they held that, so it

[38:31] never got cashed. It was attempted for? Yes, attempted money. Yes, we weren't

[38:36] out the money, but they didn't cash the check in 24, so when it came in 25,

[38:42] that made a short and 25 budget. The money's there it's just wasn't used in 24 like it should have been.

[38:56] Questions?

[38:59] I have a motion to approve the appropriation of 223,750 dollars.

[39:08] Mr. Gisby with a motion to have a second.

[39:12] So Mr. Weasel, what's the second?

[39:15] Will Colgo, please?

[39:17] Jim Weasel.

[39:18] Hi.

[39:19] Brian Gisby.

[39:20] Hi.

[39:20] Fred Tobi.

[39:21] Hi.

[39:21] Kyle Lashine.

[39:22] Hi.

[39:23] Jack Betley.

[39:24] Hi.

[39:25] Procreation crew, five of you.

[39:30] How many elected officials training 3,000 members?

[39:34] What exactly do you know?

[39:36] That is something that the recorders have in charge of.

[39:39] And this is for any county elected official.

[39:43] They can use that instead of going for hotel registration

[39:48] for any state-called meeting.

[39:52] And so we haven't used it.

[39:56] And all of a sudden, now everybody

[39:57] knows that you can use it.

[39:58] So we've been using that money.

[40:00] So we did not budget it that much for this year.

[40:05] This is the money that was in the quarter's office

[40:08] that we never use for training, but official, right?

[40:11] Correct.

[40:13] Now, we don't have enough in it.

[40:16] There's money in it, we just didn't

[40:17] appropriate enough money in it.

[40:18] We didn't, I don't even know how much cash

[40:20] fund that is in there.

[40:22] People went to conferences.

[40:23] Yes, a lot more went to conferences this year.

[40:26] I was very, I was very proud of it.

[40:28] We had multiple people going to this year.

[40:30] Yeah, we've had, because we, oh yeah.

[40:35] So does that mean we under budget it next year?

[40:39] Yeah, it may be.

[40:41] Well, that's an easy thing to fix.

[40:43] Well, we had to have more training because of the changes at the legislation without all the lips.

[40:50] Okay.

[40:57] Questions?

[40:58] I'll entertain a motion to approve the $6,000 appropriation.

[41:02] So we're doing it at a certain time.

[41:04] All right, Mo.

[41:07] Mo.

[41:08] Mo.

[41:10] Mo.

[41:14] Mo.

[41:19] Mo.

[41:19] Angus B. Fred Toby, Kyle Lashine, and Jack Beckley.

[41:24] Hi.

[41:37] Transfer funds.

[41:41] We can do these individually or since it just transfers, it's already been budgeted,

[41:45] we can do a motion for all.

[41:49] However, you guys want to handle it.

[41:55] The only question I had was the ARP.

[41:59] 70,000.

[42:02] What's the name of that?

[42:03] The new laws.

[42:04] I just moved to revenue loss that's what you have to be able to spend that money

[42:09] which you're supposed to have that money spent by the end of 26 is that right I

[42:14] think we had to do you have to put it into revenue loss to spend that if you're

[42:19] not spending out of that chair of global okay that's how the federal government

[42:25] I don't want to miss the right time.

[42:26] Yes, yes.

[42:27] How much for do we have in the ERP?

[42:38] 265,346 dollars and 53 cents.

[42:43] That would be $446.

[42:45] Yes.

[42:45] 64 to 70 of that.

[42:47] Yeah, I'll say I can't.

[42:49] What about that plan though for something?

[42:52] Most 70.

[42:52] Most maybe I'm not sure.

[42:53] 70,000 or the what?

[42:55] Wasn't there something else that was coming out of it?

[42:59] I'd have to look at it.

[43:00] I don't know what else.

[43:00] it was on there.

[43:04] And he already spent that money, yes, and that's that Sheriff's Global.

[43:12] He's already spent that money. I can look, but I don't have that budget form in front of me.

[43:30] We're still at 265, 346.

[43:33] Yes.

[43:35] And this is...

[43:36] And I believe that's after the 70,000.

[43:40] Yeah.

[43:45] What was it?

[43:46] What was the system that eats?

[43:48] What was

[43:51] this global system?

[43:53] That's why he was doing the...

[43:55] I believe it was for the NCAR system and then he used all the money that I mean

[44:02] he didn't use all of it so that was left he were used out of the budget from last

[44:07] year and then didn't need the 70,000 in it for this year that

[44:17] makes sense we

[44:18] still have 265 that needs to be used by the end of this year. 26. This isn't 26.

[44:26] Next year. Yes, yes,

[44:32] but we do need to spend that soon.

[44:38] You know where she's the drug free? No, that is, um, uh, well, it's grace.

[44:49] Is that one green? Yeah, that one's gray, Marshall, or gray.

[44:55] It's the grants through the World Coordinating Council.

[45:10] Any other questions on this transfer, one item, the one item, then I'll entertain a motion to approve all transfers as presented.

[45:26] I'm going to approve the transfers as presented.

[45:30] The motion to have a second.

[45:34] I'll second it.

[45:36] I was saying with a second, we'll call will please Jim Weasel. Hi, Ryan Goodspeed. Hi, Fred Toby.

[45:43] Kyle Lashine and Jack Beckley. Hi.

[45:47] Thanks for the proof, I know.

[45:55] And as I'm we opens.

[45:58] Other questions or comments.

[46:00] In general,

[46:04] we don't hear that.

[46:07] You're essentially, this is your guys moment.

[46:11] We probably should actually, probably this is probably the time to interview, but I'll look at the, I think, half of the meeting.

[46:18] Now, do you have anything to say?

[46:20] I know that you're jumping at the bit, I can pull it.

[46:22] I don't think I want to.

[46:24] Something you won't be able to get out of.

[46:26] Anybody else?

[46:28] Have I been?

[46:31] Okay.

[46:32] If there's anything you know, go to the public comment.

[46:33] I'll take a motion to adjourn.

[46:35] Yeah.

[46:37] Second?

[46:38] Second.

[46:39] All in favor?

[46:41] It is a journey. Thank you all for coming out.

Blackford County Council

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