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I call the meeting to order
this meeting of the Haverhill
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this meeting of the Haverhill
City Council will be held in
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City Council will be held in
person at the location provided
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person at the location provided
on this notice, as its official
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on this notice, as its official
meeting location, pursuant to
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meeting location, pursuant to
the Open Meeting Law. As the
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the Open Meeting Law. As the
meeting is held in person at a
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meeting is held in person at a
physical location that is open
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physical location that is open
and accessible to the public.
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and accessible to the public.
The City Council is not
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The City Council is not
required to provide remote
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required to provide remote
access to the meeting. Members
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access to the meeting. Members
of the public are welcome to
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of the public are welcome to
attend this in-person meeting.
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attend this in-person meeting.
Please note that a livestream
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Please note that a livestream
of the meeting is being
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of the meeting is being
provided only as a courtesy to
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provided only as a courtesy to
the public, and the meeting
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the public, and the meeting
will not be suspended or
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will not be suspended or
terminated if technological
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terminated if technological
problems interrupt the virtual
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problems interrupt the virtual
broadcast, unless otherwise
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broadcast, unless otherwise
required by law. Members of the
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required by law. Members of the
public with a particular
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public with a particular
interest in any specific item
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interest in any specific item
on this agenda should make
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on this agenda should make
plans for in-person versus
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plans for in-person versus
virtual attendance accordingly.
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virtual attendance accordingly.
Those attending tonight's
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Those attending tonight's
meeting should be aware that
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meeting should be aware that
the meeting is being audio and
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the meeting is being audio and
video recorded by ABC media.
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video recorded by ABC media.
Have the Eagle Tribune and Al
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Have the Eagle Tribune and Al
Pereira. Any members who wish
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Pereira. Any members who wish
to record any part of this
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to record any part of this
meeting must inform the Council
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meeting must inform the Council
President, who will announce
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President, who will announce
the recording. This is to
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the recording. This is to
comply with the Massachusetts
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comply with the Massachusetts
wiretap statute. Thank you. May
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wiretap statute. Thank you. May
the Supreme legislator grant
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the Supreme legislator grant
that we be worthy of our power
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that we be worthy of our power
and responsibility. That we
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and responsibility. That we
deliberate and achieve with
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deliberate and achieve with
wisdom and understanding,
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wisdom and understanding,
recognizing the rights of all
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recognizing the rights of all
our citizens with full regard
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our citizens with full regard
for the dignity and justness of
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for the dignity and justness of
the individual. For those who
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the individual. For those who
can, please join me in rising
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can, please join me in rising
for the Pledge of Allegiance.
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for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag
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I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
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of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which
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and to the Republic for which
it stands. One nation under
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it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty
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God, indivisible, with liberty
and justice for all.
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and justice for all.
Uh, Counselor Lewandowski had
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Uh, Counselor Lewandowski had
the minutes from last meeting.
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the minutes from last meeting.
She's absent tonight, so we'll
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She's absent tonight, so we'll
accept them next week. Uh,
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accept them next week. Uh,
Counselor Tuohy, would you do
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Counselor Tuohy, would you do
the honors for tonight's
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the honors for tonight's
meeting?
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meeting?
Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
Thank you very much, Madam
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Thank you very much, Madam
clerk. First item, please.
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clerk. First item, please.
Mayor Barrett and Councilor
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Mayor Barrett and Councilor
Sullivan wish to introduce
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Sullivan wish to introduce
Tammy Jo Brzozowski from the
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Tammy Jo Brzozowski from the
Hilldale Cemetery Association
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Hilldale Cemetery Association
to speak about this year's
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to speak about this year's
Wreaths Across America program
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Wreaths Across America program
at Hilldale Cemetery, which
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at Hilldale Cemetery, which
will be held on Saturday,
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will be held on Saturday,
December 19th.
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December 19th.
Mayor Barrett.
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Mayor Barrett.
Thank you, Mr. President. Thank
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Thank you, Mr. President. Thank
you. Councilors. I know many of
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you. Councilors. I know many of
you have participated in the
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you have participated in the
Wreaths Across America
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Wreaths Across America
ceremony, and you have
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ceremony, and you have
contributed yearly to this
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contributed yearly to this
great cause and organization.
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great cause and organization.
Um, I, I've been going to the
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Um, I, I've been going to the
Hilldale Cemetery for many
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Hilldale Cemetery for many
moons now. I don't go like I
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moons now. I don't go like I
did at one time. I used to be a
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did at one time. I used to be a
prime mower. I tried to mow as
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prime mower. I tried to mow as
much as, uh, Mr. Herman Ocasio,
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much as, uh, Mr. Herman Ocasio,
uh, but I couldn't. But, um,
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uh, but I couldn't. But, um,
uh, the Hilldale Cemetery has
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uh, the Hilldale Cemetery has
been reclaimed from a forested,
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been reclaimed from a forested,
uh, piece of property to, uh,
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uh, piece of property to, uh,
you see, semblance of what it
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you see, semblance of what it
was when it was a garden, uh,
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was when it was a garden, uh,
cemetery. And it's thanks to
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cemetery. And it's thanks to
Tammy. Uh, and the crew there,
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Tammy. Uh, and the crew there,
um, for doing hard work. Uh,
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um, for doing hard work. Uh,
all the time to try to reclaim
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all the time to try to reclaim
it. And, you know, I do want to
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it. And, you know, I do want to
salute them for their their
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salute them for their their
efforts. Um, but they're cross.
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efforts. Um, but they're cross.
America is a great opportunity
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America is a great opportunity
there. I think over 400, uh,
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there. I think over 400, uh,
veterans in the cemetery, many
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veterans in the cemetery, many
of them from the Civil War era,
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of them from the Civil War era,
who would otherwise be
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who would otherwise be
forgotten. And as they say, um,
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forgotten. And as they say, um,
when you participate in the
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when you participate in the
ceremony, nobody has ever truly
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ceremony, nobody has ever truly
forgotten. As long as somebody
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forgotten. As long as somebody
speaks their name. And that's
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speaks their name. And that's
an important part of of the
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an important part of of the
ceremony and of of just
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ceremony and of of just
remembering the sacrifice in
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remembering the sacrifice in
the time that these folks gave
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the time that these folks gave
to the nation. But I'll have
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to the nation. But I'll have
Tammy come up and. And I don't
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Tammy come up and. And I don't
know if if Tom wants to speak
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know if if Tom wants to speak
or speak afterwards.
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or speak afterwards.
I'll speak after. Go ahead.
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I'll speak after. Go ahead.
So, Tammy, just name an address
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So, Tammy, just name an address
to the record, please.
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to the record, please.
Tammy Dover, 66 Shawmut Avenue,
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Tammy Dover, 66 Shawmut Avenue,
Bradford.
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Bradford.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
Good evening. Thank you once
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Good evening. Thank you once
again. Councillor Sullivan and
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again. Councillor Sullivan and
Mayor Barrett for having us
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Mayor Barrett for having us
this evening. The Hilldale
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this evening. The Hilldale
Cemetery Association is once
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Cemetery Association is once
again holding the Race Across
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again holding the Race Across
America annual event at the
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America annual event at the
cemetery on Saturday, December
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cemetery on Saturday, December
19th, 2026 at noon. This will
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19th, 2026 at noon. This will
be our ninth year hosting this
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be our ninth year hosting this
event to honor and remember our
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event to honor and remember our
veterans. Most of you are
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veterans. Most of you are
familiar with Race Across
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familiar with Race Across
America from our prior events.
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America from our prior events.
The Race Across America
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The Race Across America
organization is a 501 C3
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organization is a 501 C3
federally recognized nonprofit.
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federally recognized nonprofit.
Their mission statement is
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Their mission statement is
comprised of three tenants.
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comprised of three tenants.
First, remember to remember our
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First, remember to remember our
fallen veterans. Second, honor
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fallen veterans. Second, honor
to honor living service members
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to honor living service members
in all branches of the
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in all branches of the
military. And third, teach to
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military. And third, teach to
teach the next generation the
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teach the next generation the
cost and the value of our
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cost and the value of our
freedoms. Each December across
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freedoms. Each December across
this country and at American
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this country and at American
military cemeteries across the
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military cemeteries across the
globe, volunteers lay symbolic
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globe, volunteers lay symbolic
wreaths comprised of ten
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wreaths comprised of ten
bundles of Maine balsam fir and
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bundles of Maine balsam fir and
a red velveteen bow on the
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a red velveteen bow on the
graves of veterans. Each bundle
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graves of veterans. Each bundle
of balsam has a specific
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of balsam has a specific
meaning, and the red bow
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meaning, and the red bow
signifies sacrifice. They are
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signifies sacrifice. They are
not Christmas wreaths. Service
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not Christmas wreaths. Service
members come from all walks of
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members come from all walks of
life and all religions. The
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life and all religions. The
wreath is designed to honor
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wreath is designed to honor
their service and sacrifice,
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their service and sacrifice,
and is not a religious symbol.
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and is not a religious symbol.
Last year, 3.1 million wreaths
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Last year, 3.1 million wreaths
related 5598 locations here in
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related 5598 locations here in
the US and abroad. We are proud
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the US and abroad. We are proud
to be one of those locations.
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to be one of those locations.
This year's theme is Remember
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This year's theme is Remember
Me. Veterans are often viewed
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Me. Veterans are often viewed
and treated as a collective
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and treated as a collective
group. Yet within that group
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group. Yet within that group
are countless individuals with
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are countless individuals with
their own names, stories, and
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their own names, stories, and
sacrifices. This year's theme
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sacrifices. This year's theme
is meant to remember individual
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is meant to remember individual
veterans and their stories. The
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veterans and their stories. The
parent who never got to see a
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parent who never got to see a
child or grandchild. The young
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child or grandchild. The young
recruit asked to shoulder
[10:09]
recruit asked to shoulder
unimaginable responsibility as
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unimaginable responsibility as
a teenager. The service member
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a teenager. The service member
who comes home carrying stories
[10:13]
who comes home carrying stories
too difficult to tell, stories
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too difficult to tell, stories
and sacrifices that may
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and sacrifices that may
unintentionally be overlooked.
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unintentionally be overlooked.
When we honor our veterans
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When we honor our veterans
collectively. Hilldale Cemetery
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collectively. Hilldale Cemetery
is full of those stories. Sons
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is full of those stories. Sons
who went to war and did not
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who went to war and did not
return. A young Navy sailor who
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return. A young Navy sailor who
was lost in a submarine
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was lost in a submarine
disaster during peacetime. Two
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disaster during peacetime. Two
Colored Regiment Civil War
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Colored Regiment Civil War
soldiers who battled for
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soldiers who battled for
freedom and came home to battle
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freedom and came home to battle
for equal treatment. A young
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for equal treatment. A young
woman who followed her brothers
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woman who followed her brothers
to war disguised as a man. A
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to war disguised as a man. A
Civil War cavalry member who
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Civil War cavalry member who
enlisted at the tender age of
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enlisted at the tender age of
12 and rose through the ranks.
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12 and rose through the ranks.
Haverhill itself is also full
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Haverhill itself is also full
of those individual stories,
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of those individual stories,
stories that are recognized in
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stories that are recognized in
the banners hung in town on the
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the banners hung in town on the
bridge. Many of us drive daily
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bridge. Many of us drive daily
dedicated to PFC Ralph T
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dedicated to PFC Ralph T
Basler, the first Vietnam
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Basler, the first Vietnam
casualty from Haverhill, who
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casualty from Haverhill, who
lost his life in a jungle far
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lost his life in a jungle far
away at the age of 19. PFC Evan
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away at the age of 19. PFC Evan
O'Neill, another 19 year old
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O'Neill, another 19 year old
who lost his life in
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who lost his life in
Afghanistan in 2003. Donny
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Afghanistan in 2003. Donny
Jarvis, a Purple Heart
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Jarvis, a Purple Heart
recipient and my neighbor and
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recipient and my neighbor and
friend, rushed to put who was
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friend, rushed to put who was
instrumental in bringing Korean
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instrumental in bringing Korean
War memorial to Haverhill. And
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War memorial to Haverhill. And
there are many more. All of our
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there are many more. All of our
individual veterans have their
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individual veterans have their
own names, stories, families
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own names, stories, families
and for some, their supreme
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and for some, their supreme
sacrifice in the defense of the
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sacrifice in the defense of the
freedoms we enjoy today. On
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freedoms we enjoy today. On
December 19th, at noon, we will
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December 19th, at noon, we will
hold our wreaths Across America
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hold our wreaths Across America
ceremony. We will not only
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ceremony. We will not only
collectively recognize our
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collectively recognize our
veterans, we will honor them as
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veterans, we will honor them as
individuals with their own
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individuals with their own
stories and histories. Each
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stories and histories. Each
name will be read aloud as a
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name will be read aloud as a
wreath is laid on a grave. They
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wreath is laid on a grave. They
will not be forgotten. To
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will not be forgotten. To
further honor this year's
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further honor this year's
theme, we invite community
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theme, we invite community
members to visit our Facebook
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members to visit our Facebook
page, Hope for Hilldale, and
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page, Hope for Hilldale, and
share their own stories of the
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share their own stories of the
veterans and their lives. Post
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veterans and their lives. Post
pictures and be part of the
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pictures and be part of the
remembrance and honor, and to
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remembrance and honor, and to
teach that these are the
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teach that these are the
sacrifices that maintain our
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sacrifices that maintain our
freedoms. We further invite
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freedoms. We further invite
community members, including
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community members, including
Mayor Barrett and yourselves,
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Mayor Barrett and yourselves,
counselors, to our and to our
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counselors, to our and to our
veterans, to join us on
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veterans, to join us on
December the 19th, in order to
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December the 19th, in order to
ensure that all graves receive
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ensure that all graves receive
a wreath and each name is read.
[12:06]
a wreath and each name is read.
We need 474 wreaths to be
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We need 474 wreaths to be
sponsored. We currently stand
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sponsored. We currently stand
at 169. Wreaths can be
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at 169. Wreaths can be
sponsored for 17 each, $17 each
[12:14]
sponsored for 17 each, $17 each
through our dedicated
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through our dedicated
sponsorship page at Hilldale
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sponsorship page at Hilldale
Wreaths. We recognize that
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Wreaths. We recognize that
times are tough and the economy
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times are tough and the economy
is not great, and we fear that
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is not great, and we fear that
we will not be able to meet our
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we will not be able to meet our
goal this year. We hope that
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goal this year. We hope that
people will consider donating a
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people will consider donating a
wreath or two, so that we can
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wreath or two, so that we can
recognize all of our veterans,
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recognize all of our veterans,
individuals and businesses, or
[12:32]
individuals and businesses, or
service groups may consider
[12:33]
service groups may consider
sponsorship of ten wreaths or
[12:34]
sponsorship of ten wreaths or
more to be listed in our event
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more to be listed in our event
program, which is generously
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program, which is generously
prepared, printed and donated
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prepared, printed and donated
by Pat Driscoll of Driscoll
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by Pat Driscoll of Driscoll
Funeral Homes in Bradford each
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Funeral Homes in Bradford each
year. Pat has been with us
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year. Pat has been with us
since the beginning in 2017,
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since the beginning in 2017,
and we so appreciate his
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and we so appreciate his
longtime support. In order to
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longtime support. In order to
hold this event, it takes the
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hold this event, it takes the
effort of all of our all
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effort of all of our all
volunteer board of directors
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volunteer board of directors
and local volunteers to keep
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and local volunteers to keep
the cemetery looking good as we
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the cemetery looking good as we
can, as good as we can, and to
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can, as good as we can, and to
continue the recovery efforts
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continue the recovery efforts
of portions of the cemetery
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of portions of the cemetery
that remain overgrown from
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that remain overgrown from
decades of past neglect. We
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decades of past neglect. We
need in military boots on the
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need in military boots on the
ground to continue those
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ground to continue those
efforts and ensure that the
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efforts and ensure that the
cemetery is shipshape for
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cemetery is shipshape for
December 19th. We currently
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December 19th. We currently
have three more cleanups
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have three more cleanups
formerly scheduled for October
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formerly scheduled for October
the 10th, at one 30, October,
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the 10th, at one 30, October,
24th at 130, and November 1st
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24th at 130, and November 1st
at 130. More will likely be
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at 130. More will likely be
added as long as the weather
[13:20]
added as long as the weather
holds. For more information,
[13:22]
holds. For more information,
please see our Facebook page.
[13:23]
please see our Facebook page.
Hope for Hilldale local service
[13:25]
Hope for Hilldale local service
groups who might wish to assist
[13:26]
groups who might wish to assist
can contact us directly through
[13:27]
can contact us directly through
the Facebook page or via any of
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the Facebook page or via any of
the city councilors or Mayor
[13:30]
the city councilors or Mayor
Barrett, who have our contact
[13:32]
Barrett, who have our contact
information. For those of you
[13:33]
information. For those of you
who have been to event in the
[13:34]
who have been to event in the
past. You will know and
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past. You will know and
understand the feeling of
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understand the feeling of
standing surrounded by the
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standing surrounded by the
aroma of balsam fir in the
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aroma of balsam fir in the
crisp winter air before a
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crisp winter air before a
marble or granite marker,
[13:43]
marble or granite marker,
wreath in hand, and reading the
[13:45]
wreath in hand, and reading the
name of veteran out loud,
[13:46]
name of veteran out loud,
thanking them for their
[13:47]
thanking them for their
service. It can't be adequately
[13:49]
service. It can't be adequately
described. It must be
[13:50]
described. It must be
experienced. On each wreath is
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experienced. On each wreath is
a small tag that reads. Today I
[13:54]
a small tag that reads. Today I
laid a wreath on the grave of
[13:55]
laid a wreath on the grave of
an American hero, which each
[13:57]
an American hero, which each
participant is welcome to take
[13:58]
participant is welcome to take
as a memento. We hope to have a
[14:00]
as a memento. We hope to have a
great turnout of community
[14:01]
great turnout of community
members on December 19th, and
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members on December 19th, and
once again to sponsor a wreath.
[14:05]
once again to sponsor a wreath.
Please go to Hilldale Wreaths,
[14:07]
Please go to Hilldale Wreaths,
which is our dedicated
[14:08]
which is our dedicated
sponsorship page. You will be
[14:10]
sponsorship page. You will be
ensuring that your sponsorship
[14:11]
ensuring that your sponsorship
is properly credited to
[14:12]
is properly credited to
Hilldale Cemetery. The cutoff
[14:14]
Hilldale Cemetery. The cutoff
date for sponsorship for our
[14:15]
date for sponsorship for our
region is December the 1st.
[14:17]
region is December the 1st.
Thank you all for your time and
[14:18]
Thank you all for your time and
opportunity to speak here this
[14:20]
opportunity to speak here this
evening.
[14:20]
evening.
Thank you. Tammy. Uh, go to
[14:22]
Thank you. Tammy. Uh, go to
Counselor Sullivan.
[14:23]
Counselor Sullivan.
Thank you, Mr. President. Thank
[14:24]
Thank you, Mr. President. Thank
you, Tammy and Kim, for coming
[14:25]
you, Tammy and Kim, for coming
tonight. Um, it's been a
[14:27]
tonight. Um, it's been a
pleasure to work with you all
[14:28]
pleasure to work with you all
these years. Um, I help them
[14:30]
these years. Um, I help them
raise the money for the
[14:31]
raise the money for the
wreaths. We do seriously need a
[14:33]
wreaths. We do seriously need a
boost this year. We're behind
[14:35]
boost this year. We're behind
where we should be at this
[14:36]
where we should be at this
point. Um, I always do the ten
[14:38]
point. Um, I always do the ten
wreaths myself. I would urge
[14:40]
wreaths myself. I would urge
everyone who can to try to do
[14:42]
everyone who can to try to do
ten wreaths. They do add up.
[14:44]
ten wreaths. They do add up.
And this is probably one of the
[14:45]
And this is probably one of the
most meaningful and significant
[14:46]
most meaningful and significant
events we can do for veterans
[14:48]
events we can do for veterans
here in the city. Um, like you
[14:49]
here in the city. Um, like you
said, remembering and honoring
[14:51]
said, remembering and honoring
and teaching. The most
[14:53]
and teaching. The most
important part of that is
[14:54]
important part of that is
teaching the children, um, the
[14:56]
teaching the children, um, the
young adults, how important
[14:57]
young adults, how important
traditions are and how
[14:58]
traditions are and how
important it is that they
[15:00]
important it is that they
continue to honor the veterans,
[15:01]
continue to honor the veterans,
because without the veterans,
[15:02]
because without the veterans,
we wouldn't be here today. So
[15:04]
we wouldn't be here today. So
thank you for coming. We'll
[15:05]
thank you for coming. We'll
step up our efforts over the
[15:06]
step up our efforts over the
next month and a half, and
[15:08]
next month and a half, and
we'll try to get you over the
[15:10]
we'll try to get you over the
goalpost.
[15:10]
goalpost.
Appreciate your help.
[15:11]
Appreciate your help.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
[15:12]
Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
President.
[15:13]
President.
Thank you, Councillor Sullivan.
[15:14]
Thank you, Councillor Sullivan.
Vice president Richardson.
[15:15]
Vice president Richardson.
Thank you, Mr. President.
[15:16]
Thank you, Mr. President.
Tammy, I love your dedication.
[15:19]
Tammy, I love your dedication.
That's all I want to say. Thank
[15:21]
That's all I want to say. Thank
you, Mr. President.
[15:21]
you, Mr. President.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[15:23]
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
And thank you, Tammy, again for
[15:24]
And thank you, Tammy, again for
all your efforts and for coming
[15:26]
all your efforts and for coming
before us tonight. And I again,
[15:28]
before us tonight. And I again,
having participated in the past
[15:29]
having participated in the past
again, you do a tremendous job.
[15:30]
again, you do a tremendous job.
It really is a powerful
[15:32]
It really is a powerful
experience. So I wish you all
[15:34]
experience. So I wish you all
the best with this year's
[15:34]
the best with this year's
event. Thank you. Thank you,
[15:37]
event. Thank you. Thank you,
Madam Clerk. Next item.
[15:38]
Madam Clerk. Next item.
Uh, Caitlin M Wright. Esposito.
[15:40]
Uh, Caitlin M Wright. Esposito.
City clerk request to announce
[15:42]
City clerk request to announce
early voting schedule and
[15:43]
early voting schedule and
pertinent election related
[15:44]
pertinent election related
deadlines for the upcoming
[15:46]
deadlines for the upcoming
state election to be held on
[15:47]
state election to be held on
Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026,
[15:50]
Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026,
from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m..
[15:52]
from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m..
Madam clerk.
[15:53]
Madam clerk.
Um.
[15:53]
Um.
So election season is in full
[15:55]
So election season is in full
swing, if you can believe that.
[15:57]
swing, if you can believe that.
Uh, over the last week, our
[15:58]
Uh, over the last week, our
office has been very busy
[16:00]
office has been very busy
getting out our vote by mail
[16:01]
getting out our vote by mail
ballots. Uh, we got our
[16:02]
ballots. Uh, we got our
delivery of ballots last week.
[16:04]
delivery of ballots last week.
And as of today, our first
[16:06]
And as of today, our first
round of ballots, which for
[16:08]
round of ballots, which for
requests right now are about
[16:09]
requests right now are about
8000, have been mailed out to
[16:11]
8000, have been mailed out to
voters daily. We continue to
[16:13]
voters daily. We continue to
receive applications. So as
[16:14]
receive applications. So as
those applications are come in
[16:16]
those applications are come in
and are processed, we will
[16:17]
and are processed, we will
continue to mail those out to
[16:19]
continue to mail those out to
voters. Um, the deadline to
[16:20]
voters. Um, the deadline to
request a vote by mail ballot
[16:22]
request a vote by mail ballot
is October, October 27th at 5
[16:26]
is October, October 27th at 5
p.m., and voters are encouraged
[16:28]
p.m., and voters are encouraged
to, once they receive their
[16:29]
to, once they receive their
ballot, be sure to return that
[16:31]
ballot, be sure to return that
via the Dropbox. That is a
[16:33]
via the Dropbox. That is a
surefire way that it gets to us
[16:35]
surefire way that it gets to us
or hand deliver in our office.
[16:36]
or hand deliver in our office.
The Dropbox is located on the
[16:38]
The Dropbox is located on the
Main Street side of the
[16:39]
Main Street side of the
building of City Hall. Um, this
[16:41]
building of City Hall. Um, this
year our ballot is unique. Uh,
[16:43]
year our ballot is unique. Uh,
it's unprecedented. We have ten
[16:45]
it's unprecedented. We have ten
ballot questions, which, per
[16:46]
ballot questions, which, per
the Secretary of State's
[16:47]
the Secretary of State's
office, hasn't happened since
[16:49]
office, hasn't happened since
1918. So whether you're voting
[16:51]
1918. So whether you're voting
by mail or voting in person on
[16:53]
by mail or voting in person on
Election Day, your ballot here
[16:55]
Election Day, your ballot here
in Haverhill is going to have
[16:56]
in Haverhill is going to have
two cards. So that means if if
[16:58]
two cards. So that means if if
this was a ballot, it's going
[16:59]
this was a ballot, it's going
to be front one page with
[17:01]
to be front one page with
questions, candidates and
[17:03]
questions, candidates and
questions, a back side with
[17:04]
questions, a back side with
candidates and then a whole
[17:06]
candidates and then a whole
other page. Uh, and that must
[17:08]
other page. Uh, and that must
be returned to our office.
[17:09]
be returned to our office.
Whether you're voting by mail
[17:10]
Whether you're voting by mail
or at the precinct on Election
[17:12]
or at the precinct on Election
day or early voting. So just be
[17:14]
day or early voting. So just be
mindful of that on our vote by
[17:16]
mindful of that on our vote by
mail envelopes, we've left
[17:18]
mail envelopes, we've left
little reminders for people
[17:19]
little reminders for people
that says, please return both
[17:20]
that says, please return both
cards. But it's very important
[17:22]
cards. But it's very important
that both of those get back to
[17:24]
that both of those get back to
us. So if you're voting by
[17:25]
us. So if you're voting by
mail, a ballot must be returned
[17:27]
mail, a ballot must be returned
to our office. If it's
[17:28]
to our office. If it's
hand-delivered by 8 p.m. on
[17:30]
hand-delivered by 8 p.m. on
election night, that's Tuesday,
[17:32]
election night, that's Tuesday,
November 3rd, or if it's going
[17:34]
November 3rd, or if it's going
in the mail, it must be
[17:35]
in the mail, it must be
postmarked by November 3rd and
[17:37]
postmarked by November 3rd and
received in our office no later
[17:38]
received in our office no later
than November 6th. We will be
[17:40]
than November 6th. We will be
offering two weeks of in-person
[17:41]
offering two weeks of in-person
early voting here at City Hall.
[17:43]
early voting here at City Hall.
That's going to begin on
[17:45]
That's going to begin on
Saturday, October 17th, and run
[17:48]
Saturday, October 17th, and run
through October 30th, which is
[17:50]
through October 30th, which is
a Friday. Um, all dates and
[17:52]
a Friday. Um, all dates and
times are posted on our
[17:53]
times are posted on our
website, but it will be every
[17:54]
website, but it will be every
day. So 14 days straight, the
[17:56]
day. So 14 days straight, the
weekends 9 to 3 and Monday
[17:58]
weekends 9 to 3 and Monday
through Friday 8 to 4. The last
[18:00]
through Friday 8 to 4. The last
day to register to vote is
[18:01]
day to register to vote is
going to be Tuesday, October
[18:04]
going to be Tuesday, October
24th at I'm sorry, not Tuesday,
[18:06]
24th at I'm sorry, not Tuesday,
Saturday, October 24th at 5
[18:08]
Saturday, October 24th at 5
p.m. and our office will be
[18:10]
p.m. and our office will be
open that Saturday to
[18:11]
open that Saturday to
accommodate that registration
[18:12]
accommodate that registration
deadline. So if you're
[18:13]
deadline. So if you're
concerned about your
[18:14]
concerned about your
registration, you can go online
[18:16]
registration, you can go online
directly and check the status
[18:17]
directly and check the status
of that, or come to our office
[18:19]
of that, or come to our office
or call us for inquiries on
[18:21]
or call us for inquiries on
that. And then my final, uh,
[18:24]
that. And then my final, uh,
plea to all of you here today,
[18:25]
plea to all of you here today,
or anybody that's watching
[18:27]
or anybody that's watching
online, is that we're always in
[18:28]
online, is that we're always in
need of election workers. Um,
[18:30]
need of election workers. Um,
specifically this election
[18:32]
specifically this election
cycle, just with how lengthy
[18:34]
cycle, just with how lengthy
the ballot is and the turnout
[18:35]
the ballot is and the turnout
that we think are going to be
[18:36]
that we think are going to be
getting. Um, so to have more
[18:38]
getting. Um, so to have more
people at the polls will really
[18:39]
people at the polls will really
help us move lines along
[18:41]
help us move lines along
quickly. Um, so if you are
[18:43]
quickly. Um, so if you are
somebody that's passionate
[18:44]
somebody that's passionate
about your community,
[18:45]
about your community,
interested in meeting new
[18:46]
interested in meeting new
people, passionate about
[18:47]
people, passionate about
elections, maybe good at math,
[18:49]
elections, maybe good at math,
we'd love to have you as part
[18:51]
we'd love to have you as part
of our team. Um, it is a
[18:53]
of our team. Um, it is a
volunteer opportunity, but you
[18:54]
volunteer opportunity, but you
are paid for the day, so. 245
[18:57]
are paid for the day, so. 245
if you work the full day as an
[18:58]
if you work the full day as an
inspector, if you're interested
[19:00]
inspector, if you're interested
in joining as a warden or
[19:01]
in joining as a warden or
clerk, that is 275 for the day.
[19:04]
clerk, that is 275 for the day.
Um, we have trainings that are
[19:05]
Um, we have trainings that are
coming up. So I would ask that
[19:06]
coming up. So I would ask that
if you're interested, we would
[19:08]
if you're interested, we would
really need you to sign up no
[19:09]
really need you to sign up no
later than the end of next week
[19:11]
later than the end of next week
to ensure that you can be
[19:12]
to ensure that you can be
trained adequately before our
[19:14]
trained adequately before our
election. And if you're
[19:15]
election. And if you're
interested, you can call the
[19:16]
interested, you can call the
clerk's office at
[19:19]
clerk's office at
(978) 374-2312 or email me
[19:23]
(978) 374-2312 or email me
directly at City Clerk at
[19:25]
directly at City Clerk at
Haverhill, Ma. Gov. Thank you.
[19:27]
Haverhill, Ma. Gov. Thank you.
Thank you, Madam Clerk. Next
[19:29]
Thank you, Madam Clerk. Next
item, please.
[19:30]
item, please.
Me again. Yeah.
[19:32]
Me again. Yeah.
Caitlin. Emery Esposito, city
[19:34]
Caitlin. Emery Esposito, city
clerk submits election warrant
[19:36]
clerk submits election warrant
for the 2026 state election to
[19:38]
for the 2026 state election to
be held on Tuesday, November
[19:39]
be held on Tuesday, November
3rd, 2026, from 7 a.m. to 8
[19:42]
3rd, 2026, from 7 a.m. to 8
p.m..
[19:42]
p.m..
Madam clerk, do you want to say
[19:44]
Madam clerk, do you want to say
more about that?
[19:45]
more about that?
Uh, no.
[19:46]
Uh, no.
Just pretty well, actually.
[19:48]
Just pretty well, actually.
Yes. Sorry. Um, on the note,
[19:50]
Yes. Sorry. Um, on the note,
the election warrant. Um, so if
[19:52]
the election warrant. Um, so if
you look in the agenda packets,
[19:53]
you look in the agenda packets,
it does contain all of the ten
[19:55]
it does contain all of the ten
questions. And I just want to
[19:57]
questions. And I just want to
go back to you talking about
[19:58]
go back to you talking about
how large the ballot is.
[19:59]
how large the ballot is.
Because of that, every voter in
[20:01]
Because of that, every voter in
Massachusetts was email, um,
[20:03]
Massachusetts was email, um,
not emailed, I'm sorry, mailed
[20:05]
not emailed, I'm sorry, mailed
a red information booklet. And
[20:08]
a red information booklet. And
if you did not get that, it's
[20:09]
if you did not get that, it's
available online. We have extra
[20:10]
available online. We have extra
supplies in our office as well.
[20:12]
supplies in our office as well.
If you're looking for copies of
[20:13]
If you're looking for copies of
that, I would highly encourage
[20:15]
that, I would highly encourage
everybody to look at that.
[20:16]
everybody to look at that.
Review it carefully ahead of
[20:18]
Review it carefully ahead of
time. The final page of this
[20:20]
time. The final page of this
information booklet has a
[20:21]
information booklet has a
checklist that you can rip out
[20:23]
checklist that you can rip out
and bring with you to the
[20:24]
and bring with you to the
polls, so you can mark ahead of
[20:25]
polls, so you can mark ahead of
time how you're planning on
[20:27]
time how you're planning on
voting on these questions. And
[20:28]
voting on these questions. And
this will help us move the
[20:29]
this will help us move the
lines along quicker. As I said,
[20:31]
lines along quicker. As I said,
this is a very long ballot and
[20:33]
this is a very long ballot and
we want people to be able to go
[20:34]
we want people to be able to go
vote in person, but keep the
[20:35]
vote in person, but keep the
lines moving as quick as
[20:36]
lines moving as quick as
possible. So please do review
[20:38]
possible. So please do review
that booklet to get all your
[20:40]
that booklet to get all your
information. Uh, if you need an
[20:42]
information. Uh, if you need an
extra one. We have extras
[20:43]
extra one. We have extras
available in our office and
[20:45]
available in our office and
they are available a PDF
[20:46]
they are available a PDF
version and an audio version
[20:48]
version and an audio version
online on the Secretary of
[20:49]
online on the Secretary of
State's website, as well as our
[20:50]
State's website, as well as our
website. Um, but aside from
[20:52]
website. Um, but aside from
that, that's that's all I have
[20:53]
that, that's that's all I have
to say about the warrant.
[20:55]
to say about the warrant.
Thank you. Thank you. And do we
[20:56]
Thank you. Thank you. And do we
need a motion to in favor of
[20:58]
need a motion to in favor of
the.
[20:59]
the.
Yes. So moved.
[21:01]
Yes. So moved.
Second motion from Councillor
[21:02]
Second motion from Councillor
Sullivan, second from Councilor
[21:04]
Sullivan, second from Councilor
Ferreira. Uh, Madam Clerk,
[21:05]
Ferreira. Uh, Madam Clerk,
please call the roll.
[21:06]
please call the roll.
Vice president. Richardson.
[21:08]
Vice president. Richardson.
Yes. Councillor. Basler.
[21:09]
Yes. Councillor. Basler.
Yes.
[21:09]
Yes.
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
[21:10]
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
Councillor. Sullivan. Yes.
[21:12]
Councillor. Sullivan. Yes.
Councillor. Ferreira. Yes.
[21:13]
Councillor. Ferreira. Yes.
Councillor. Toohey. Yes.
[21:14]
Councillor. Toohey. Yes.
Councillor McGonigle. Yes.
[21:15]
Councillor McGonigle. Yes.
Councillor LePage. Yes.
[21:16]
Councillor LePage. Yes.
Councillor Rogers and President
[21:18]
Councillor Rogers and President
Jordan. Yes.
[21:18]
Jordan. Yes.
Ten years.
[21:19]
Ten years.
Zero. Nays one.
[21:20]
Zero. Nays one.
Absent that passes. Next item
[21:22]
Absent that passes. Next item
please.
[21:26]
please.
This is a hearing document. 21
[21:28]
This is a hearing document. 21
J city Council special permit
[21:31]
J city Council special permit
267 Matt Silver for Sterling.
[21:34]
267 Matt Silver for Sterling.
Commonwealth builders request
[21:35]
Commonwealth builders request
approval to demolish existing
[21:37]
approval to demolish existing
single family residence and
[21:39]
single family residence and
construct three attached
[21:40]
construct three attached
townhouse condominium units on
[21:41]
townhouse condominium units on
a single parcel at 27 Marshland
[21:44]
a single parcel at 27 Marshland
Street in the residential High
[21:45]
Street in the residential High
Zone. Each unit is proposed to
[21:47]
Zone. Each unit is proposed to
contain three bedrooms, two one
[21:50]
contain three bedrooms, two one
and a half bathrooms, and one
[21:51]
and a half bathrooms, and one
and an attached two car garage.
[21:53]
and an attached two car garage.
This has been continued from
[21:54]
This has been continued from
September 15th of 2026. Um.
[21:57]
September 15th of 2026. Um.
Earlier this afternoon we did
[21:58]
Earlier this afternoon we did
receive a communication from
[21:59]
receive a communication from
the applicant's attorney
[22:01]
the applicant's attorney
requesting to continue this
[22:02]
requesting to continue this
hearing due to, uh, late
[22:04]
hearing due to, uh, late
comments that were received by
[22:05]
comments that were received by
the Conservation Department
[22:07]
the Conservation Department
over the weekend. And in order
[22:08]
over the weekend. And in order
for them to respond to them,
[22:10]
for them to respond to them,
they'd like a little bit of
[22:11]
they'd like a little bit of
extra time. They're asking for
[22:12]
extra time. They're asking for
a continuance until October
[22:14]
a continuance until October
20th.
[22:14]
20th.
So moved.
[22:15]
So moved.
Second.
[22:16]
Second.
Motion for Vice President.
[22:17]
Motion for Vice President.
Richardson. Second from was
[22:18]
Richardson. Second from was
Sullivan. Yes, from Councillor
[22:20]
Sullivan. Yes, from Councillor
Sullivan. Uh, all in favor?
[22:22]
Sullivan. Uh, all in favor?
Aye, aye.
[22:23]
Aye, aye.
That's continued until October
[22:25]
That's continued until October
20th. Madam clerk, next item,
[22:27]
20th. Madam clerk, next item,
please.
[22:29]
please.
Mayor Barrett submits an
[22:30]
Mayor Barrett submits an
ordinance relating to amending
[22:31]
ordinance relating to amending
chapter 222, article 11,
[22:34]
chapter 222, article 11,
recreational motorized vehicles
[22:36]
recreational motorized vehicles
of the Haverhill City Ordinance
[22:37]
of the Haverhill City Ordinance
restricting the use of
[22:38]
restricting the use of
motorized bicycles and
[22:39]
motorized bicycles and
scooters, filed September 23rd
[22:41]
scooters, filed September 23rd
of 2026.
[22:42]
of 2026.
Madam mayor, Mr. president,
[22:44]
Madam mayor, Mr. president,
councilors. Thank you. Uh,
[22:46]
councilors. Thank you. Uh,
obviously, uh, there has been a
[22:49]
obviously, uh, there has been a
huge influx of e-bikes in the
[22:51]
huge influx of e-bikes in the
community and, uh, huge issues
[22:54]
community and, uh, huge issues
with them. Um, we have had a
[22:57]
with them. Um, we have had a
tragedy and we've had a bunch
[22:59]
tragedy and we've had a bunch
of near tragedies and injuries
[23:02]
of near tragedies and injuries
and, um, just it's it seems
[23:05]
and, um, just it's it seems
like it's a it blew up out of
[23:07]
like it's a it blew up out of
control. So you asked us to,
[23:12]
control. So you asked us to,
um, see what we could do. I
[23:14]
um, see what we could do. I
presented, uh, what the
[23:16]
presented, uh, what the
governor had proposed to the
[23:17]
governor had proposed to the
legislature that is still in
[23:18]
legislature that is still in
the legislature. That would
[23:20]
the legislature. That would
create different tiers on
[23:22]
create different tiers on
speed. That is still in the
[23:24]
speed. That is still in the
legislature. So we are not
[23:26]
legislature. So we are not
going to wait for that. We are
[23:27]
going to wait for that. We are
going to do, um, all the things
[23:29]
going to do, um, all the things
we can do within the current
[23:31]
we can do within the current
law. And if if that does see
[23:33]
law. And if if that does see
the light of day from the
[23:34]
the light of day from the
legislature, we can make
[23:36]
legislature, we can make
amendments to our ordinance
[23:38]
amendments to our ordinance
here. Um, this ordinance be sup
[23:42]
here. Um, this ordinance be sup
um, where these vehicles can be
[23:44]
um, where these vehicles can be
driven, how they can be driven
[23:46]
driven, how they can be driven
by whom they can be driven. Uh,
[23:48]
by whom they can be driven. Uh,
and uh, it prohibits them from
[23:52]
and uh, it prohibits them from
public spaces. Uh, it prohibits
[23:55]
public spaces. Uh, it prohibits
them from sidewalks. Um, you
[23:58]
them from sidewalks. Um, you
know, we, uh, on the school
[24:00]
know, we, uh, on the school
committee side, we have
[24:03]
committee side, we have
already, um, prohibited e-bikes
[24:07]
already, um, prohibited e-bikes
in school grounds. Um, and I
[24:09]
in school grounds. Um, and I
think that has made a slight
[24:11]
think that has made a slight
difference. Although people are
[24:13]
difference. Although people are
driving them and, you know,
[24:15]
driving them and, you know,
tying them to trees or posts
[24:17]
tying them to trees or posts
or, you know, it's still an
[24:19]
or, you know, it's still an
issue. Um, I don't think
[24:21]
issue. Um, I don't think
everybody has the message that
[24:22]
everybody has the message that
they are a danger, uh,
[24:24]
they are a danger, uh,
especially when they're driven
[24:26]
especially when they're driven
by, uh, people that do not
[24:27]
by, uh, people that do not
understand the rules of the
[24:29]
understand the rules of the
road. So, we have Lieutenant
[24:32]
road. So, we have Lieutenant
Lynch here from the police
[24:34]
Lynch here from the police
department. If you have any
[24:35]
department. If you have any
questions, as we also have, uh,
[24:38]
questions, as we also have, uh,
city Solicitor Mead here for
[24:39]
city Solicitor Mead here for
you, for you.
[24:41]
you, for you.
Thank you. Councillor Diodati.
[24:43]
Thank you. Councillor Diodati.
Thank you, Mr. President. Uh,
[24:44]
Thank you, Mr. President. Uh,
my questions are for Madam
[24:45]
my questions are for Madam
Solicitor. Um, so first
[24:55]
Solicitor. Um, so first
question is the, uh. And you're
[24:58]
question is the, uh. And you're
right up, it says driving under
[24:59]
right up, it says driving under
the influence and empowerment
[25:00]
the influence and empowerment
of vehicles cannot be addressed
[25:01]
of vehicles cannot be addressed
by this ordinance. But in the
[25:04]
by this ordinance. But in the
ordinance, uh, for the children
[25:06]
ordinance, uh, for the children
under 16 and it says there will
[25:07]
under 16 and it says there will
be immediately seized. Impound
[25:09]
be immediately seized. Impound
the recreational motor vehicle.
[25:11]
the recreational motor vehicle.
Is that in compliance with the
[25:12]
Is that in compliance with the
law?
[25:13]
law?
Right.
[25:13]
Right.
So so yes and no. It's on the
[25:16]
So so yes and no. It's on the
edge. Right. So, um, the law
[25:19]
edge. Right. So, um, the law
pertains to the statute,
[25:21]
pertains to the statute,
pertains to adults. And so the
[25:23]
pertains to adults. And so the
section in the ordinance that
[25:25]
section in the ordinance that
we provided pertains to people
[25:27]
we provided pertains to people
under 16.
[25:29]
under 16.
Okay. All right. And then, uh,
[25:31]
Okay. All right. And then, uh,
the my second question was in
[25:34]
the my second question was in
your right up, it says, uh, $50
[25:36]
your right up, it says, uh, $50
for the first offense, but it
[25:37]
for the first offense, but it
looks like it's $250 in the
[25:39]
looks like it's $250 in the
actual ordinance.
[25:40]
actual ordinance.
Is that. No.
[25:40]
Is that. No.
That's a strikeout. You just
[25:41]
That's a strikeout. You just
it's it's 25 and then 50, 20.
[25:44]
it's it's 25 and then 50, 20.
Okay. Yeah.
[25:45]
Okay. Yeah.
All right. I'm just at that
[25:46]
All right. I'm just at that
paragraph. The 222665.
[25:50]
paragraph. The 222665.
Yeah. So, um, it's 25 and then
[25:53]
Yeah. So, um, it's 25 and then
50 in the in the strike out.
[25:55]
50 in the in the strike out.
Um, I don't have do you have
[25:56]
Um, I don't have do you have
are you looking at the final
[25:57]
are you looking at the final
ordinance?
[25:58]
ordinance?
Uh, yes.
[25:58]
Uh, yes.
So it should be 25 and 50. So I
[26:01]
So it should be 25 and 50. So I
think maybe the strike out got
[26:02]
think maybe the strike out got
messed up.
[26:02]
messed up.
Okay.
[26:03]
Okay.
That's it. That's all I got.
[26:04]
That's it. That's all I got.
Thank you. Thank you.
[26:05]
Thank you. Thank you.
Councillor Diodati. Councillor
[26:07]
Councillor Diodati. Councillor
Ferreira.
[26:07]
Ferreira.
Thank you. Um, could you
[26:10]
Thank you. Um, could you
please, just for the record and
[26:12]
please, just for the record and
everyone watching at home, give
[26:14]
everyone watching at home, give
us an overview of what is
[26:15]
us an overview of what is
included in this version.
[26:17]
included in this version.
That's before us tonight.
[26:19]
That's before us tonight.
Yeah. I think the, the the
[26:20]
Yeah. I think the, the the
major, uh, the major part of
[26:22]
major, uh, the major part of
this is essentially the
[26:24]
this is essentially the
prohibitions of writing, you
[26:26]
prohibitions of writing, you
know, not writing on things
[26:27]
know, not writing on things
that you shouldn't write on. It
[26:28]
that you shouldn't write on. It
doesn't it does not address
[26:30]
doesn't it does not address
writing on a street because
[26:32]
writing on a street because
you're allowed to do that in
[26:33]
you're allowed to do that in
certain instances. So on public
[26:35]
certain instances. So on public
sidewalks, on public bike
[26:37]
sidewalks, on public bike
paths, bikeways, natural
[26:38]
paths, bikeways, natural
surface trails, public parks,
[26:40]
surface trails, public parks,
public conservation and
[26:42]
public conservation and
recreation areas, playgrounds,
[26:45]
recreation areas, playgrounds,
uh, private property without
[26:46]
uh, private property without
written permission to do so,
[26:48]
written permission to do so,
um, and um, up on away any time
[26:51]
um, and um, up on away any time
after sunset or before sunrise.
[26:54]
after sunset or before sunrise.
So those are the major issues.
[26:57]
So those are the major issues.
Um, and then in addition, as
[26:59]
Um, and then in addition, as
noted by the councillor before,
[27:01]
noted by the councillor before,
if you are under 16, you are
[27:03]
if you are under 16, you are
found to violate this
[27:04]
found to violate this
ordinance. Um, you can have
[27:06]
ordinance. Um, you can have
your the e-bike, um,
[27:10]
your the e-bike, um,
confiscated, but you can get it
[27:12]
confiscated, but you can get it
back in. There are certain
[27:13]
back in. There are certain
penalties depending on what it
[27:15]
penalties depending on what it
is, um, for how long it's held.
[27:17]
is, um, for how long it's held.
And then you have to show proof
[27:18]
And then you have to show proof
of ownership in order to get it
[27:19]
of ownership in order to get it
back. So that's in there as
[27:21]
back. So that's in there as
well.
[27:22]
well.
Great. And to clarify for the,
[27:25]
Great. And to clarify for the,
um, after dusk evening, our
[27:28]
um, after dusk evening, our
riding, is it just scooters or
[27:30]
riding, is it just scooters or
would this also cover e-bikes
[27:32]
would this also cover e-bikes
themselves.
[27:33]
themselves.
So it is. Uh, no person shall
[27:36]
So it is. Uh, no person shall
operate in a scooter upon any
[27:38]
operate in a scooter upon any
way at any time after sunset.
[27:40]
way at any time after sunset.
And my guess is because those
[27:41]
And my guess is because those
lack lights and fixtures that
[27:44]
lack lights and fixtures that
would make it safer to ride in
[27:45]
would make it safer to ride in
the evening. That's correct.
[27:46]
the evening. That's correct.
Okay. And then, um, one thing
[27:49]
Okay. And then, um, one thing
that jumped out at me, which I
[27:51]
that jumped out at me, which I
100% agree, this is overdue and
[27:55]
100% agree, this is overdue and
needed for sure. Um, is I have
[27:58]
needed for sure. Um, is I have
a concern about class one
[28:01]
a concern about class one
e-bikes not being allowed on
[28:04]
e-bikes not being allowed on
paved bike paths. Um, and I
[28:07]
paved bike paths. Um, and I
guess for me, using some blue
[28:10]
guess for me, using some blue
bikes, for example, in Boston
[28:12]
bikes, for example, in Boston
also has e-bikes. Those are
[28:13]
also has e-bikes. Those are
class one. They go to 18mph.
[28:16]
class one. They go to 18mph.
Those are allowed on bike
[28:17]
Those are allowed on bike
paths. I think just for me,
[28:19]
paths. I think just for me,
considering our urban setting
[28:22]
considering our urban setting
in the cheaper, more affordable
[28:25]
in the cheaper, more affordable
transportation route that these
[28:27]
transportation route that these
e-bikes, the class one version
[28:28]
e-bikes, the class one version
provides. Um, I, I would like
[28:32]
provides. Um, I, I would like
to see the class one e-bikes
[28:35]
to see the class one e-bikes
allowed on our paved bike
[28:37]
allowed on our paved bike
paths, not the natural
[28:39]
paths, not the natural
surfaces, which is what is
[28:41]
surfaces, which is what is
included in there already. And
[28:43]
included in there already. And
of course, no sidewalks, which
[28:44]
of course, no sidewalks, which
was also included in this
[28:45]
was also included in this
proposed ordinance. And I
[28:46]
proposed ordinance. And I
wanted to, um, present that to
[28:48]
wanted to, um, present that to
my fellow councilors as a
[28:50]
my fellow councilors as a
potential, um, change. If
[28:53]
potential, um, change. If
anyone would like to consider.
[28:57]
anyone would like to consider.
Uh, my only, uh, hesitation on
[29:01]
Uh, my only, uh, hesitation on
that is we have gotten
[29:03]
that is we have gotten
complaints from people on rail
[29:04]
complaints from people on rail
trails that are paved that
[29:07]
trails that are paved that
were, um, either hit or near
[29:10]
were, um, either hit or near
hits. Um, on those paths.
[29:13]
hits. Um, on those paths.
Um.
[29:14]
Um.
Yeah. I think, um,
[29:17]
Yeah. I think, um,
realistically speaking, whether
[29:19]
realistically speaking, whether
you're pedal assist or not,
[29:20]
you're pedal assist or not,
18mph is very feasible to do on
[29:23]
18mph is very feasible to do on
a regular bike on those paved
[29:25]
a regular bike on those paved
paths to. So I would hate to
[29:27]
paths to. So I would hate to
see us have to go back and
[29:29]
see us have to go back and
adjust an ordinance if we were
[29:30]
adjust an ordinance if we were
so lucky to have a bike share
[29:32]
so lucky to have a bike share
program in the city in the
[29:33]
program in the city in the
future, which is expanding to
[29:36]
future, which is expanding to
our area to, um, which would be
[29:38]
our area to, um, which would be
awesome. I think to have that
[29:40]
awesome. I think to have that
kind of program, um, here in
[29:42]
kind of program, um, here in
Haverhill. So, I mean, I think
[29:45]
Haverhill. So, I mean, I think
with signage and education,
[29:48]
with signage and education,
what's expected on a bike path,
[29:49]
what's expected on a bike path,
a paved bike path, I would
[29:50]
a paved bike path, I would
assume would go along with this
[29:52]
assume would go along with this
kind of ordinance change also
[29:54]
kind of ordinance change also
in the natural areas and in the
[29:55]
in the natural areas and in the
conservation area. So, um, I
[29:58]
conservation area. So, um, I
guess that would be my motion,
[30:00]
guess that would be my motion,
if that's a proper way to
[30:01]
if that's a proper way to
handle it.
[30:06]
handle it.
Anything else? Councilor? Thank
[30:08]
Anything else? Councilor? Thank
you. Thank you. Uh, Vice
[30:11]
you. Thank you. Uh, Vice
President Richardson.
[30:13]
President Richardson.
Thank you, Mr. President. Um,
[30:15]
Thank you, Mr. President. Um,
this is based on the Ride Safe
[30:18]
this is based on the Ride Safe
Act, which hasn't been proposed
[30:22]
Act, which hasn't been proposed
yet. It's not law, but I do
[30:25]
yet. It's not law, but I do
think this is consistent with
[30:27]
think this is consistent with
what my colleague was saying
[30:29]
what my colleague was saying
about class one and class two
[30:32]
about class one and class two
e-bikes. Maybe being in a
[30:34]
e-bikes. Maybe being in a
different category. Uh, for
[30:37]
different category. Uh, for
some things, uh, such as she
[30:41]
some things, uh, such as she
mentioned, um, the T zero in
[30:45]
mentioned, um, the T zero in
the ride Safe act, that tier
[30:47]
the ride Safe act, that tier
zero includes class one and
[30:49]
zero includes class one and
class two e-bikes up to 20mph.
[30:55]
class two e-bikes up to 20mph.
So there's just a little more,
[30:57]
So there's just a little more,
um, opportunity for the, um,
[31:03]
um, opportunity for the, um,
the e-bikes. Then by grouping
[31:05]
the e-bikes. Then by grouping
everything together. And, yeah.
[31:15]
everything together. And, yeah.
So this is a policy issue for
[31:18]
So this is a policy issue for
the council and the mayor,
[31:19]
the council and the mayor,
right?
[31:20]
right?
Yeah. That's why we're bringing
[31:22]
Yeah. That's why we're bringing
it up. Right? Yeah. Oh, I'm
[31:27]
it up. Right? Yeah. Oh, I'm
sorry. Um, I can't really see
[31:29]
sorry. Um, I can't really see
you that good.
[31:30]
you that good.
Though. Let's wait for that.
[31:33]
Though. Let's wait for that.
Mic drop.
[31:38]
Mic drop.
Councilors. Um, as far as the
[31:40]
Councilors. Um, as far as the
different tiers, um, that is
[31:42]
different tiers, um, that is
why the school committee banned
[31:45]
why the school committee banned
all e-bikes from school
[31:47]
all e-bikes from school
grounds. Because, uh, otherwise,
[31:49]
grounds. Because, uh, otherwise,
you're putting a in the schools
[31:53]
you're putting a in the schools
in particular, you are putting
[31:54]
in particular, you are putting
a burden on either the SRO or
[31:56]
a burden on either the SRO or
the principal to make a
[31:58]
the principal to make a
determination how fast an
[32:00]
determination how fast an
e-bike goes. And you can't it's
[32:02]
e-bike goes. And you can't it's
not emblazoned on the side of a
[32:04]
not emblazoned on the side of a
bike. So I think that's why we
[32:06]
bike. So I think that's why we
included it. Uh, they are at 18
[32:09]
included it. Uh, they are at 18
miles an hour. If a five a
[32:11]
miles an hour. If a five a
fifth grader is driving it, it
[32:13]
fifth grader is driving it, it
is still 18 miles an hour. It
[32:15]
is still 18 miles an hour. It
is still a dangerous vehicle
[32:17]
is still a dangerous vehicle
ridden by somebody that does
[32:18]
ridden by somebody that does
not understand the rules of the
[32:19]
not understand the rules of the
road.
[32:23]
road.
Uh, thank you very much on
[32:25]
Uh, thank you very much on
that. And I do have another
[32:28]
that. And I do have another
policy type. Um, question, but
[32:31]
policy type. Um, question, but
it's not, um, you know, it's
[32:33]
it's not, um, you know, it's
it's not a big hitter, but, uh,
[32:36]
it's not a big hitter, but, uh,
should the 30 to 90 day
[32:40]
should the 30 to 90 day
impoundment apply to every
[32:42]
impoundment apply to every
listed repeat offense or only
[32:45]
listed repeat offense or only
repeated serious and dangerous
[32:48]
repeated serious and dangerous
conduct?
[32:57]
conduct?
Amenable to a different number
[32:59]
Amenable to a different number
or different? You know, if you
[33:03]
or different? You know, if you
want to suggest something.
[33:05]
want to suggest something.
Okay, what do you think? Well,
[33:09]
Okay, what do you think? Well,
maybe some of my colleagues
[33:10]
maybe some of my colleagues
will respond to that. Thank
[33:13]
will respond to that. Thank
you, Mr. President.
[33:13]
you, Mr. President.
You're welcome. Vice President
[33:15]
You're welcome. Vice President
Richardson, just to be clear,
[33:17]
Richardson, just to be clear,
so Councilor Ferreira made a
[33:19]
so Councilor Ferreira made a
motion. And if I understood
[33:20]
motion. And if I understood
correctly, your motion was to
[33:22]
correctly, your motion was to
allow, uh, scooters or.
[33:25]
allow, uh, scooters or.
To allow.
[33:27]
To allow.
Class one.
[33:28]
Class one.
To allow class.
[33:28]
To allow class.
One on paved bike paths within
[33:31]
One on paved bike paths within
the city. And I just wanted to
[33:33]
the city. And I just wanted to
clarify that in the ordinance,
[33:35]
clarify that in the ordinance,
as before, us under operating
[33:37]
as before, us under operating
restrictions. So that's section
[33:41]
restrictions. So that's section
222-63 letter I recreational
[33:45]
222-63 letter I recreational
motorized vehicles, excluding
[33:47]
motorized vehicles, excluding
e-bikes, shall not be operated
[33:48]
e-bikes, shall not be operated
on any way by a person under 16
[33:50]
on any way by a person under 16
years of age. So that's already
[33:51]
years of age. So that's already
in the ordinance. The age
[33:52]
in the ordinance. The age
restrictions are already there.
[33:54]
restrictions are already there.
This would be for adult riders
[33:56]
This would be for adult riders
over the age of 16. Young
[33:58]
over the age of 16. Young
writers, however you say it,
[34:00]
writers, however you say it,
um, to be allowed to operate
[34:02]
um, to be allowed to operate
e-bikes, which are class one,
[34:04]
e-bikes, which are class one,
which can go up to 20 miles an
[34:06]
which can go up to 20 miles an
hour on our paved, um, bike
[34:08]
hour on our paved, um, bike
paths. So that would be my.
[34:10]
paths. So that would be my.
motion to make that change.
[34:12]
motion to make that change.
Thank you. Are you seconding
[34:13]
Thank you. Are you seconding
it? Yes.
[34:14]
it? Yes.
Yes.
[34:17]
Yes.
Okay. We have other councilors
[34:18]
Okay. We have other councilors
that want to weigh in.
[34:19]
that want to weigh in.
Councilor Sullivan.
[34:20]
Councilor Sullivan.
Yes.
[34:20]
Yes.
Um.
[34:21]
Um.
On that subject, I would say I
[34:23]
On that subject, I would say I
would leave it alone and let's
[34:24]
would leave it alone and let's
see how it works. But I'm more
[34:26]
see how it works. But I'm more
concerned about how we're going
[34:27]
concerned about how we're going
to enforce this new ordinance.
[34:28]
to enforce this new ordinance.
Lieutenant Lynch, could you
[34:29]
Lieutenant Lynch, could you
come up, just tell us if the
[34:31]
come up, just tell us if the
department is prepared to
[34:33]
department is prepared to
launch any kind of an effort to
[34:35]
launch any kind of an effort to
not only, uh, enforce, but and
[34:38]
not only, uh, enforce, but and
others educate, educate the
[34:39]
others educate, educate the
public? I know we've done a lot
[34:40]
public? I know we've done a lot
of educating in the schools,
[34:42]
of educating in the schools,
uh, you know, getting that
[34:43]
uh, you know, getting that
straight straightened out. But
[34:44]
straight straightened out. But
now, how are we going to
[34:45]
now, how are we going to
educate the community and how
[34:46]
educate the community and how
are we going to enforce this?
[34:47]
are we going to enforce this?
Lieutenant Lynch well.
[34:48]
Lieutenant Lynch well.
We're going to use social
[34:49]
We're going to use social
media. We're going to partner
[34:50]
media. We're going to partner
with the schools to teach the
[34:52]
with the schools to teach the
children, you know, that they
[34:55]
children, you know, that they
have to follow this. You know,
[34:57]
have to follow this. You know,
additionally, an issue that's
[34:58]
additionally, an issue that's
come up recently is kids are
[35:01]
come up recently is kids are
riding these bikes, chaining
[35:02]
riding these bikes, chaining
them to trees, poles, signs. So
[35:06]
them to trees, poles, signs. So
what's going to happen now is
[35:08]
what's going to happen now is
if they continue to do this,
[35:09]
if they continue to do this,
we're going to cut the locks.
[35:12]
we're going to cut the locks.
We're going to keep them for
[35:13]
We're going to keep them for
safe. Keep. If it's on a city
[35:16]
safe. Keep. If it's on a city
tree, a city sign, a city pole,
[35:18]
tree, a city sign, a city pole,
anything on city property,
[35:20]
anything on city property,
we're going to let the schools
[35:22]
we're going to let the schools
know so they can educate the
[35:23]
know so they can educate the
kids and the parents to say, if
[35:25]
kids and the parents to say, if
this happens, this is what's
[35:26]
this happens, this is what's
going to happen. It's going to
[35:28]
going to happen. It's going to
be taken by us for safekeeping,
[35:31]
be taken by us for safekeeping,
and they can show proof of
[35:32]
and they can show proof of
ownership and it'll be
[35:33]
ownership and it'll be
returned. But we see them all
[35:35]
returned. But we see them all
around the school grounds, all
[35:37]
around the school grounds, all
around neighborhoods change the
[35:39]
around neighborhoods change the
trees, and we're just not going
[35:41]
trees, and we're just not going
to allow it.
[35:42]
to allow it.
And what can we do to increase
[35:44]
And what can we do to increase
awareness and and control the
[35:46]
awareness and and control the
situation in the inner city
[35:47]
situation in the inner city
streets, Winter Street and
[35:49]
streets, Winter Street and
Primrose Street and all the
[35:50]
Primrose Street and all the
tight streets in the inner
[35:51]
tight streets in the inner
city? The way we've all heard
[35:53]
city? The way we've all heard
or seen potential horror shows
[35:55]
or seen potential horror shows
or tragedies when kids are
[35:57]
or tragedies when kids are
whipping through the
[35:57]
whipping through the
intersections, not stopping at
[35:59]
intersections, not stopping at
red lights and such.
[36:00]
red lights and such.
And that goes back to
[36:02]
And that goes back to
education. And a big component
[36:04]
education. And a big component
is we're going to have to
[36:05]
is we're going to have to
educate parents. Parents need
[36:06]
educate parents. Parents need
to take responsibility for
[36:08]
to take responsibility for
their children and not buy the
[36:10]
their children and not buy the
three $400 scooters and let
[36:13]
three $400 scooters and let
them go out on the street. And
[36:15]
them go out on the street. And
if they're we do confiscate it.
[36:18]
if they're we do confiscate it.
We educate the parents and
[36:21]
We educate the parents and
we'll just continue to do that.
[36:22]
we'll just continue to do that.
That's that's all we can do. We
[36:24]
That's that's all we can do. We
don't need another tragedy.
[36:26]
don't need another tragedy.
Right.
[36:27]
Right.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
[36:28]
Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
President.
[36:28]
President.
Thank you, Councillor Sullivan.
[36:30]
Thank you, Councillor Sullivan.
Councilor Ferreira, did you
[36:31]
Councilor Ferreira, did you
have more? Thank you. Okay. Um,
[36:34]
have more? Thank you. Okay. Um,
yeah, I have a couple of
[36:35]
yeah, I have a couple of
questions. Follow up, I think,
[36:36]
questions. Follow up, I think,
for you, Lieutenant Lynch. So,
[36:38]
for you, Lieutenant Lynch. So,
um, do you feel like with these
[36:41]
um, do you feel like with these
changes, you have what you
[36:43]
changes, you have what you
need? I know this came up at
[36:44]
need? I know this came up at
the subcommittee meeting I
[36:45]
the subcommittee meeting I
attended was at that time, you
[36:46]
attended was at that time, you
guys felt somewhat powerless. I
[36:49]
guys felt somewhat powerless. I
don't wanna put words in your
[36:49]
don't wanna put words in your
mouth, but, like, as far as
[36:50]
mouth, but, like, as far as
being able to. When enforce.
[36:52]
being able to. When enforce.
Now, what if this passes
[36:53]
Now, what if this passes
tonight? Do you feel like you
[36:55]
tonight? Do you feel like you
have the tools you need? I know
[36:56]
have the tools you need? I know
one of the things you mentioned
[36:57]
one of the things you mentioned
was then was the, which is a
[36:59]
was then was the, which is a
question mark about being able
[37:00]
question mark about being able
to confiscate the bikes. Now,
[37:02]
to confiscate the bikes. Now,
if we approve this, you'll have
[37:03]
if we approve this, you'll have
that authority. Does this give
[37:05]
that authority. Does this give
you what you feel like you need
[37:06]
you what you feel like you need
to make a meaningful
[37:07]
to make a meaningful
difference?
[37:08]
difference?
Yes. It's definitely a stock.
[37:10]
Yes. It's definitely a stock.
We have to start somewhere.
[37:11]
We have to start somewhere.
Yeah.
[37:11]
Yeah.
So.
[37:13]
So.
And, um, just for the public
[37:15]
And, um, just for the public
and everybody watching, paying
[37:16]
and everybody watching, paying
attention. Among the complaints
[37:18]
attention. Among the complaints
I hear a lot and just see is
[37:20]
I hear a lot and just see is
people riding these without
[37:21]
people riding these without
helmets on. Is that reason
[37:23]
helmets on. Is that reason
enough? Whether they're over
[37:25]
enough? Whether they're over
the age of 16 under the age of
[37:26]
the age of 16 under the age of
16, can you stop them for
[37:28]
16, can you stop them for
riding without a helmet.
[37:31]
riding without a helmet.
Under 16? It's a law. You're
[37:32]
Under 16? It's a law. You're
supposed to wear a helmet.
[37:33]
supposed to wear a helmet.
Okay.
[37:34]
Okay.
So it's under 16.
[37:35]
So it's under 16.
Okay.
[37:36]
Okay.
Thank you, Councillor Diodati.
[37:38]
Thank you, Councillor Diodati.
Thank you, Mr. President.
[37:40]
Thank you, Mr. President.
I'm just curious to know, like
[37:41]
I'm just curious to know, like
the levels of these bikes, how
[37:43]
the levels of these bikes, how
do you actually tell which
[37:44]
do you actually tell which
one's a level one or a level
[37:45]
one's a level one or a level
two?
[37:46]
two?
Like do.
[37:47]
Like do.
A lot of it goes by the voltage
[37:50]
A lot of it goes by the voltage
of motors, which does create a
[37:53]
of motors, which does create a
problem because there's you can
[37:56]
problem because there's you can
take a motor out, open it up,
[37:58]
take a motor out, open it up,
put a semiconductor in, do
[38:00]
put a semiconductor in, do
things, put it back together
[38:02]
things, put it back together
and it can go 40 miles an hour.
[38:03]
and it can go 40 miles an hour.
But it's going to say it's
[38:04]
But it's going to say it's
going to go 20.
[38:05]
going to go 20.
So that the tier one could
[38:07]
So that the tier one could
ultimately be manipulated to be
[38:09]
ultimately be manipulated to be
faster than 20 miles an hour.
[38:11]
faster than 20 miles an hour.
Yes.
[38:12]
Yes.
And then I guess my other
[38:13]
And then I guess my other
concern with, uh, Councilor
[38:14]
concern with, uh, Councilor
Ferreira's motion is it's like
[38:16]
Ferreira's motion is it's like
from a policing perspective,
[38:19]
from a policing perspective,
it's someone's on one of these
[38:20]
it's someone's on one of these
things. Maybe they don't even
[38:21]
things. Maybe they don't even
know what they have. Um, and if
[38:23]
know what they have. Um, and if
something were to whiz by me at
[38:24]
something were to whiz by me at
20 miles an hour, I'm just
[38:25]
20 miles an hour, I'm just
going to assume it's the
[38:26]
going to assume it's the
fastest one on the market,
[38:27]
fastest one on the market,
because that's pretty fast for
[38:28]
because that's pretty fast for
someone to be coming by you at
[38:30]
someone to be coming by you at
a standstill. I think it would
[38:31]
a standstill. I think it would
be. Would you agree it would be
[38:33]
be. Would you agree it would be
hard to police? Um, if we did
[38:35]
hard to police? Um, if we did
decide to kind of tear how
[38:37]
decide to kind of tear how
these things went on the
[38:38]
these things went on the
public.
[38:38]
public.
Trails.
[38:39]
Trails.
It'll be difficult.
[38:41]
It'll be difficult.
Okay. All right. That's all I
[38:43]
Okay. All right. That's all I
got.
[38:43]
got.
Thank you.
[38:44]
Thank you.
Thank you, councillor Diodati.
[38:45]
Thank you, councillor Diodati.
Councillor McGonigle.
[38:46]
Councillor McGonigle.
Thank you, Mr. President.
[38:47]
Thank you, Mr. President.
And just following up on
[38:49]
And just following up on
Councillor Dodds, I think it
[38:50]
Councillor Dodds, I think it
would be very hard to police by
[38:53]
would be very hard to police by
seeing it or there's no labels
[38:55]
seeing it or there's no labels
on them. As the mayor pointed
[38:56]
on them. As the mayor pointed
out saying I'm this or I'm
[38:58]
out saying I'm this or I'm
that. The model number. So I
[39:00]
that. The model number. So I
would rather err on the side of
[39:02]
would rather err on the side of
caution so I won't support that
[39:05]
caution so I won't support that
motion because I think it's too
[39:07]
motion because I think it's too
hard to regulate that. It'd be
[39:10]
hard to regulate that. It'd be
easy to just say, hey, get on a
[39:11]
easy to just say, hey, get on a
bike, or find another way of
[39:13]
bike, or find another way of
transportation, not something
[39:15]
transportation, not something
that's electric. So thank you,
[39:17]
that's electric. So thank you,
Mr. President.
[39:17]
Mr. President.
Thank you. Councillor
[39:18]
Thank you. Councillor
McGonigle. Councillor Rogers.
[39:19]
McGonigle. Councillor Rogers.
A quick, quick question. The
[39:21]
A quick, quick question. The
rail trails, are they bike
[39:22]
rail trails, are they bike
paths called bike paths two. Is
[39:24]
paths called bike paths two. Is
that what we're when we're
[39:25]
that what we're when we're
talking about a bike path. What
[39:26]
talking about a bike path. What
are we, a paved bike. Are you.
[39:28]
are we, a paved bike. Are you.
Talking about.
[39:28]
Talking about.
Just a real I would say the
[39:29]
Just a real I would say the
rail trail would be considered.
[39:30]
rail trail would be considered.
That. But not the wooden bridge
[39:32]
That. But not the wooden bridge
or the wooden rail trail. So, I
[39:34]
or the wooden rail trail. So, I
mean, I think it's I'm
[39:35]
mean, I think it's I'm
struggling with that one the
[39:37]
struggling with that one the
other day because I don't think
[39:39]
other day because I don't think
we have set bike paths in
[39:40]
we have set bike paths in
Haverhill, do we? Other than
[39:41]
Haverhill, do we? Other than
the street. And then the other
[39:43]
the street. And then the other
day I was going down the main
[39:45]
day I was going down the main
street and there was a bike
[39:47]
street and there was a bike
coming. Bikes was supposed to
[39:48]
coming. Bikes was supposed to
go with traffic. Is that
[39:49]
go with traffic. Is that
correct?
[39:50]
correct?
Bikes are supposed to follow
[39:51]
Bikes are supposed to follow
all rules of the road and
[39:52]
all rules of the road and
supposed to stop at red lights,
[39:54]
supposed to stop at red lights,
stop signs, just like just like
[39:56]
stop signs, just like just like
a car does.
[39:57]
a car does.
Well. So this e-bike was
[39:58]
Well. So this e-bike was
driving against was on our
[39:59]
driving against was on our
side. I'm going this way. It's
[40:00]
side. I'm going this way. It's
coming back this way.
[40:01]
coming back this way.
Completely opposite of what
[40:02]
Completely opposite of what
you're supposed to be doing.
[40:03]
you're supposed to be doing.
And then it swerves off to the
[40:05]
And then it swerves off to the
sidewalk, in and out. I didn't
[40:06]
sidewalk, in and out. I didn't
have a helmet. I don't know if
[40:07]
have a helmet. I don't know if
she was 16 or not, but, um, I'd
[40:10]
she was 16 or not, but, um, I'd
struggle with the bike path one
[40:12]
struggle with the bike path one
or the, you know. So. Okay, so
[40:13]
or the, you know. So. Okay, so
I'm not sure I support the
[40:15]
I'm not sure I support the
motion. Thank you.
[40:16]
motion. Thank you.
Thank you, Councillor Rogers. I
[40:18]
Thank you, Councillor Rogers. I
don't see any of the lights on,
[40:19]
don't see any of the lights on,
so, um, we have the motion.
[40:21]
so, um, we have the motion.
Well, the initial motion, uh,
[40:24]
Well, the initial motion, uh,
to by Councillor Ferreira to
[40:26]
to by Councillor Ferreira to
allow the class one e-bikes on
[40:28]
allow the class one e-bikes on
paved rail trails, seconded by
[40:30]
paved rail trails, seconded by
Vice President Mitchinson.
[40:31]
Vice President Mitchinson.
Madam clerk, would you please
[40:32]
Madam clerk, would you please
call the roll on that?
[40:33]
call the roll on that?
Vice President Richardson? Yes,
[40:35]
Vice President Richardson? Yes,
councillor. Brasilia. Yes.
[40:37]
councillor. Brasilia. Yes.
Councillor. Diodati?
[40:38]
Councillor. Diodati?
No. Councillor.
[40:39]
No. Councillor.
Sullivan. No. Councillor.
[40:40]
Sullivan. No. Councillor.
Ferreira.
[40:41]
Ferreira.
Yes.
[40:41]
Yes.
Councillor. Toohey. No.
[40:43]
Councillor. Toohey. No.
Councillor McGonigle.
[40:44]
Councillor McGonigle.
No.
[40:45]
No.
Councillor LePage.
[40:46]
Councillor LePage.
No.
[40:47]
No.
Councillor. Rogers. No. And
[40:49]
Councillor. Rogers. No. And
President Jordan.
[40:49]
President Jordan.
No.
[40:52]
No.
Threes nine. I don't like.
[40:54]
Threes nine. I don't like.
Math.
[40:55]
Math.
Seven.
[40:55]
Seven.
Seven. Seven. Nays one. Absent.
[40:58]
Seven. Seven. Nays one. Absent.
That fails. Uh, do we have a
[41:01]
That fails. Uh, do we have a
motion for the ordinance?
[41:03]
motion for the ordinance?
So moved. Second.
[41:04]
So moved. Second.
I missed. Who did the first
[41:06]
I missed. Who did the first
one? Sorry.
[41:06]
one? Sorry.
Uh, Councillor Sullivan.
[41:08]
Uh, Councillor Sullivan.
Sullivan.
[41:09]
Sullivan.
And the second was Joey Toohey.
[41:12]
And the second was Joey Toohey.
Madam clerk, please call the
[41:13]
Madam clerk, please call the
roll.
[41:14]
roll.
Vice president. Mitchinson.
[41:15]
Vice president. Mitchinson.
Yes. Councillor. Basler. Yes.
[41:17]
Yes. Councillor. Basler. Yes.
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
[41:18]
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
Councillor. Sullivan. Yes.
[41:19]
Councillor. Sullivan. Yes.
Councillor. Ferreira. Yes.
[41:20]
Councillor. Ferreira. Yes.
Councillor. Toohey. Yes.
[41:21]
Councillor. Toohey. Yes.
Councillor McGonagall. Yes.
[41:22]
Councillor McGonagall. Yes.
Councillor LePage. Yes.
[41:23]
Councillor LePage. Yes.
Councillor Rogers and President
[41:25]
Councillor Rogers and President
Jordan. Yes. And yeas and nays.
[41:27]
Jordan. Yes. And yeas and nays.
One.
[41:28]
One.
Absent that passes. Uh, Madam
[41:30]
Absent that passes. Uh, Madam
Clerk, next item.
[41:31]
Clerk, next item.
Mayor Barrett submits an order
[41:33]
Mayor Barrett submits an order
relating to the water Use
[41:34]
relating to the water Use
Restriction Ordinance, chapter
[41:36]
Restriction Ordinance, chapter
250, article six of the code of
[41:38]
250, article six of the code of
the City of Haverhill. Order
[41:39]
the City of Haverhill. Order
that the City Council hereby
[41:41]
that the City Council hereby
votes to repeal and replace
[41:42]
votes to repeal and replace
chapter 250, article six of the
[41:44]
chapter 250, article six of the
code of the City of Haverhill,
[41:45]
code of the City of Haverhill,
entitled Water Restriction in
[41:47]
entitled Water Restriction in
its entirety with the following
[41:48]
its entirety with the following
arrives. Revised ordinance
[41:50]
arrives. Revised ordinance
filed on September 23rd of
[41:52]
filed on September 23rd of
2026.
[41:53]
2026.
Mayor Barrett.
[41:53]
Mayor Barrett.
Thank you, Mr. President. Thank
[41:55]
Thank you, Mr. President. Thank
you. Councillors. Uh, obviously
[41:56]
you. Councillors. Uh, obviously
we are in a critical drought
[41:59]
we are in a critical drought
situation right now. And, um,
[42:01]
situation right now. And, um,
this, uh, change in the
[42:03]
this, uh, change in the
ordinance has been through, um,
[42:05]
ordinance has been through, um,
I think two committees, maybe
[42:07]
I think two committees, maybe
three committee meetings. Um,
[42:10]
three committee meetings. Um,
and, uh, the planning and
[42:12]
and, uh, the planning and
development, I believe, might
[42:13]
development, I believe, might
have had it last. And these are
[42:16]
have had it last. And these are
based, uh, this ordinance is
[42:17]
based, uh, this ordinance is
based on the suggestions of the
[42:19]
based on the suggestions of the
Planning and Development
[42:20]
Planning and Development
Committee. Uh, no, it wasn't
[42:22]
Committee. Uh, no, it wasn't
planning.
[42:23]
planning.
Development that was given to
[42:24]
Development that was given to
you, but we didn't agree on it.
[42:25]
you, but we didn't agree on it.
Oh.
[42:25]
Oh.
It was.
[42:26]
It was.
A split vote. I'm sorry. I know
[42:28]
A split vote. I'm sorry. I know
you're correct. Um, there was
[42:30]
you're correct. Um, there was
some disagreement on a few of
[42:33]
some disagreement on a few of
the issues before you. Uh, we
[42:35]
the issues before you. Uh, we
we present this to you, and,
[42:38]
we present this to you, and,
you know, you can hash out
[42:39]
you know, you can hash out
exactly how you want to proceed
[42:42]
exactly how you want to proceed
here. Um, you know, there are
[42:44]
here. Um, you know, there are
aspects of this that are are,
[42:46]
aspects of this that are are,
you know, are clean up, you
[42:49]
you know, are clean up, you
know, what we call critical,
[42:50]
know, what we call critical,
what we call warnings. It gives
[42:53]
what we call warnings. It gives
some, um, color colorization to
[42:57]
some, um, color colorization to
the warnings, which I think are
[42:59]
the warnings, which I think are
good. Um, there are some things
[43:00]
good. Um, there are some things
that I don't know if it's
[43:02]
that I don't know if it's
necessary, um, to pursue. Um,
[43:05]
necessary, um, to pursue. Um,
you know, the, the, the
[43:07]
you know, the, the, the
private. Well, I think would be
[43:09]
private. Well, I think would be
a little hard to enforce, but,
[43:11]
a little hard to enforce, but,
uh, uh, we can acquiesce to
[43:16]
uh, uh, we can acquiesce to
your, uh, judgment there. Um,
[43:18]
your, uh, judgment there. Um,
but Bob Ward is here. Uh, if
[43:21]
but Bob Ward is here. Uh, if
you have any technical
[43:22]
you have any technical
questions regarding this, um,
[43:26]
questions regarding this, um,
and, um, I leave the final
[43:30]
and, um, I leave the final
decisions to you on this, and
[43:32]
decisions to you on this, and
I'm here to weigh in. Also, if
[43:33]
I'm here to weigh in. Also, if
you need me.
[43:34]
you need me.
Thank you. Bob, you have things
[43:36]
Thank you. Bob, you have things
you want to say before
[43:37]
you want to say before
councillors start asking
[43:38]
councillors start asking
questions or..
[43:41]
questions or..
Sure. Um, for the record,
[43:43]
Sure. Um, for the record,
Robert Ward, DPW director,
[43:45]
Robert Ward, DPW director,
water Wastewater City,
[43:46]
water Wastewater City,
Haverhill. Um, I can kind of
[43:50]
Haverhill. Um, I can kind of
quickly summarize the the major
[43:53]
quickly summarize the the major
changes. I'll try to do it
[43:55]
changes. I'll try to do it
quickly.
[43:55]
quickly.
Thank you.
[43:56]
Thank you.
I can't promise anything on
[43:58]
I can't promise anything on
that.
[43:58]
that.
One.
[44:00]
One.
So as the mayor said, some of
[44:02]
So as the mayor said, some of
these, uh, or at least a couple
[44:03]
these, uh, or at least a couple
of them are recommendations
[44:05]
of them are recommendations
that came out of the Planning
[44:07]
that came out of the Planning
and Development Committee
[44:08]
and Development Committee
meeting that we had some time
[44:10]
meeting that we had some time
back. Um, so just going through
[44:13]
back. Um, so just going through
quickly, um, there's a couple
[44:15]
quickly, um, there's a couple
of those recommendations.
[44:17]
of those recommendations.
There's also the mayor
[44:18]
There's also the mayor
mentioned some things, sort of
[44:20]
mentioned some things, sort of
like clean up items, and those
[44:22]
like clean up items, and those
are, um, items that we work
[44:26]
are, um, items that we work
with. The City Solicitor's
[44:27]
with. The City Solicitor's
office to. Some of it is to
[44:29]
office to. Some of it is to
more closely align our
[44:31]
more closely align our
ordinance with the state
[44:34]
ordinance with the state
regulations as well as our
[44:36]
regulations as well as our
Water Management Act permit. So,
[44:38]
Water Management Act permit. So,
um, in particular, the, uh, the
[44:43]
um, in particular, the, uh, the
drought triggers and the, uh,
[44:46]
drought triggers and the, uh,
action levels, they're actually
[44:48]
action levels, they're actually
a little bit tightened up. Um,
[44:51]
a little bit tightened up. Um,
they align more with the
[44:53]
they align more with the
state's level one, two, three,
[44:56]
state's level one, two, three,
four. We changed our names a
[44:57]
four. We changed our names a
little bit. Um, but it's still
[44:59]
little bit. Um, but it's still
the same number of levels. The
[45:02]
the same number of levels. The
10%, 35%, and so on are the
[45:05]
10%, 35%, and so on are the
same actual lake levels. We
[45:08]
same actual lake levels. We
just changed the names to align
[45:10]
just changed the names to align
with the state. Um, a few, some
[45:12]
with the state. Um, a few, some
of the trigger levels. We, we
[45:14]
of the trigger levels. We, we
tighten them up a little bit.
[45:17]
tighten them up a little bit.
They're a little more defined.
[45:20]
They're a little more defined.
Um, and one in particular, I
[45:22]
Um, and one in particular, I
want to say it's the I don't
[45:26]
want to say it's the I don't
want us to tell you
[45:27]
want us to tell you
incorrectly. So I'll take a
[45:29]
incorrectly. So I'll take a
look. I think it's level two.
[45:33]
look. I think it's level two.
Uh, for example, level two, I
[45:35]
Uh, for example, level two, I
think in the current ordinance,
[45:37]
think in the current ordinance,
might is a little looser. It's
[45:39]
might is a little looser. It's
it might even be voluntary type
[45:42]
it might even be voluntary type
conservation, whereas the new
[45:44]
conservation, whereas the new
one, uh, it's it's a little bit
[45:47]
one, uh, it's it's a little bit
more restrictive. And that's at
[45:49]
more restrictive. And that's at
the 20% reduction in the lake
[45:50]
the 20% reduction in the lake
level. So some things like
[45:53]
level. So some things like
that, it's a little better.
[45:55]
that, it's a little better.
It's a little better defined
[45:57]
It's a little better defined
too. And like I said, that
[46:00]
too. And like I said, that
comes out of matching up with
[46:02]
comes out of matching up with
the state regulations.
[46:09]
the state regulations.
Clarified authority and
[46:12]
Clarified authority and
applicability. This is where
[46:15]
applicability. This is where
the mayor mentioned private
[46:19]
the mayor mentioned private
wells. So this if you look in
[46:21]
wells. So this if you look in
the applicability section, this
[46:24]
the applicability section, this
ordinance would apply to
[46:27]
ordinance would apply to
private wells as well as, uh,
[46:31]
private wells as well as, uh,
public water system customers.
[46:33]
public water system customers.
So that covers all of them. It
[46:36]
So that covers all of them. It
wasn't my recommendation, but
[46:39]
wasn't my recommendation, but
um, so that's what that's all.
[46:42]
um, so that's what that's all.
About. That's what.
[46:43]
About. That's what.
You said. You said that's not.
[46:44]
You said. You said that's not.
Your recommendation.
[46:45]
Your recommendation.
Yeah.
[46:46]
Yeah.
That came from that was a
[46:48]
That came from that was a
recommendation with the
[46:49]
recommendation with the
Planning and Development
[46:50]
Planning and Development
Committee, not the committee,
[46:51]
Committee, not the committee,
but some individuals.
[46:53]
but some individuals.
Not me.
[46:53]
Not me.
It was mine.
[46:54]
It was mine.
I think.
[46:54]
I think.
It was one of.
[46:55]
It was one of.
Those districts. Certainly
[46:56]
Those districts. Certainly
won't be made.
[46:56]
won't be made.
It was one of those.
[46:57]
It was one of those.
District council.
[46:58]
District council.
Agreed upon items.
[47:00]
Agreed upon items.
So go back. to Mr..
[47:02]
So go back. to Mr..
Ward, back to this. So there's
[47:06]
Ward, back to this. So there's
a definition or two that we're
[47:08]
a definition or two that we're
updated. Uh, it says expanded
[47:11]
updated. Uh, it says expanded
exemptions. That's a little
[47:12]
exemptions. That's a little
misleading. So we already had
[47:15]
misleading. So we already had
exemptions in the current ah
[47:17]
exemptions in the current ah
have exemptions. And the
[47:19]
have exemptions. And the
current ordinance, the
[47:22]
current ordinance, the
exemptions listed here are I
[47:26]
exemptions listed here are I
think it's a little better
[47:27]
think it's a little better
defined. It's very similar.
[47:29]
defined. It's very similar.
It's pretty much the same as
[47:30]
It's pretty much the same as
what we had. But it's a little
[47:32]
what we had. But it's a little
better spelled out here in this
[47:34]
better spelled out here in this
ordinance. Uh, for example, you
[47:37]
ordinance. Uh, for example, you
have the businesses where the
[47:39]
have the businesses where the
water outdoor water use is
[47:41]
water outdoor water use is
really core to their business.
[47:42]
really core to their business.
So that's still an exemption.
[47:44]
So that's still an exemption.
Those types of things, uh,
[47:46]
Those types of things, uh,
livestock, agriculture, things
[47:49]
livestock, agriculture, things
like that. So those are all
[47:50]
like that. So those are all
still there? I think it's a
[47:53]
still there? I think it's a
little better defined and that
[47:55]
little better defined and that
it's modeled after the the
[47:57]
it's modeled after the the
state regulation language. It's
[48:02]
state regulation language. It's
a little bit on the automatic
[48:04]
a little bit on the automatic
irrigation systems, a little
[48:05]
irrigation systems, a little
bit of cleanup. There. We
[48:10]
bit of cleanup. There. We
added, uh, there is an add
[48:12]
added, uh, there is an add
regarding irrigation system
[48:14]
regarding irrigation system
requirements and it's to it
[48:18]
requirements and it's to it
requires on lawn, automatic
[48:21]
requires on lawn, automatic
lawn irrigation systems. It
[48:23]
lawn irrigation systems. It
requires soil moisture sensors,
[48:25]
requires soil moisture sensors,
rain sensors and flow sensors.
[48:28]
rain sensors and flow sensors.
And that's on newly installed
[48:32]
And that's on newly installed
systems, as well as systems
[48:34]
systems, as well as systems
that are being going to be
[48:36]
that are being going to be
repaired. We actually do get
[48:38]
repaired. We actually do get
applications for abatements at
[48:40]
applications for abatements at
the water wastewater abatement
[48:42]
the water wastewater abatement
board for leaks and irrigation
[48:44]
board for leaks and irrigation
systems. So I think. To have a
[48:48]
systems. So I think. To have a
flow sensor on those systems, I
[48:50]
flow sensor on those systems, I
think is very important because
[48:52]
think is very important because
when they leak to a lot of
[48:53]
when they leak to a lot of
water. So the other thing we
[48:56]
water. So the other thing we
would probably end up doing is
[48:57]
would probably end up doing is
we would we would make an
[49:00]
we would we would make an
abatement if the abatement
[49:02]
abatement if the abatement
board was going to abate.
[49:03]
board was going to abate.
Somebody that had a leak in the
[49:04]
Somebody that had a leak in the
irrigation system to make the
[49:06]
irrigation system to make the
abatement contingent upon
[49:08]
abatement contingent upon
installing all this stuff. So
[49:11]
installing all this stuff. So
I, I kind of like that new
[49:15]
I, I kind of like that new
section. New baseline, seasonal
[49:20]
section. New baseline, seasonal
conservation standards. So that
[49:23]
conservation standards. So that
establishes a seasonal outdoor
[49:25]
establishes a seasonal outdoor
water use limitations
[49:29]
water use limitations
From.
[49:30]
From.
May 15th.
[49:30]
May 15th.
Through September 30th, and
[49:35]
Through September 30th, and
that's section 2250 25. And it
[49:40]
that's section 2250 25. And it
says from May 15th through
[49:43]
says from May 15th through
September 30th. Non-essential
[49:45]
September 30th. Non-essential
outdoor water use shall be
[49:46]
outdoor water use shall be
limited to before 9 a.m. and
[49:48]
limited to before 9 a.m. and
after 5 p.m., unless otherwise
[49:50]
after 5 p.m., unless otherwise
modified by the city. And a
[49:53]
modified by the city. And a
further says the city may
[49:55]
further says the city may
further restrict such use in
[49:57]
further restrict such use in
accordance with 250, 25.1 and
[50:00]
accordance with 250, 25.1 and
250 25.2, which those are just
[50:04]
250 25.2, which those are just
those typical action and
[50:06]
those typical action and
trigger levels that I just
[50:07]
trigger levels that I just
talked about a minute ago. So
[50:10]
talked about a minute ago. So
that's a new one. A revised
[50:16]
that's a new one. A revised
drought trigger levels and
[50:19]
drought trigger levels and
response actions. We we talked
[50:20]
response actions. We we talked
about that already. Suspension
[50:25]
about that already. Suspension
of deduct meter credits. So
[50:28]
of deduct meter credits. So
right now the people with
[50:31]
right now the people with
irrigation systems can have a
[50:33]
irrigation systems can have a
deduct meter. And basically any
[50:37]
deduct meter. And basically any
water goes through the water
[50:39]
water goes through the water
meter goes out to the lawn,
[50:41]
meter goes out to the lawn,
goes through the deduct meter.
[50:43]
goes through the deduct meter.
And whatever water goes through
[50:44]
And whatever water goes through
that deduct meter, they get a
[50:45]
that deduct meter, they get a
credit off their wastewater
[50:47]
credit off their wastewater
bill. So this says under a
[50:51]
bill. So this says under a
level three or a level four
[50:53]
level three or a level four
drought condition, which you're
[50:56]
drought condition, which you're
not supposed to be using your
[50:57]
not supposed to be using your
irrigation systems anyway. It
[51:00]
irrigation systems anyway. It
says that they will not. Their
[51:04]
says that they will not. Their
deduct credits will be
[51:05]
deduct credits will be
suspended during that the
[51:07]
suspended during that the
period when during a level
[51:09]
period when during a level
three and a level four drought
[51:11]
three and a level four drought
condition. So it sort of I
[51:14]
condition. So it sort of I
think gets a bad word, but it
[51:17]
think gets a bad word, but it
we do have people this summer
[51:19]
we do have people this summer
that we're running the
[51:20]
that we're running the
irrigation systems and those
[51:22]
irrigation systems and those
credits are on the deduct
[51:24]
credits are on the deduct
meters. And this will allow us
[51:25]
meters. And this will allow us
a mechanism to not give them a
[51:28]
a mechanism to not give them a
deduct on, on that water used
[51:31]
deduct on, on that water used
on their lawns. So and then
[51:35]
on their lawns. So and then
this is strengthened
[51:36]
this is strengthened
enforcement provisions. That's
[51:38]
enforcement provisions. That's
basically um increasing the
[51:41]
basically um increasing the
fines. So the fines are now
[51:44]
fines. So the fines are now
there are 5100. And I don't
[51:49]
there are 5100. And I don't
know if it's 150 or 200. The
[51:52]
know if it's 150 or 200. The
new ones are 100, 203 hundred.
[51:56]
new ones are 100, 203 hundred.
Uh, there's also a warning. And
[51:58]
Uh, there's also a warning. And
what we did this year, we we.
[52:04]
what we did this year, we we.
We worked into this outdoor
[52:07]
We worked into this outdoor
water use restriction very
[52:09]
water use restriction very
slowly. We we tried to get word
[52:12]
slowly. We we tried to get word
out through a lot of different
[52:14]
out through a lot of different
means media, all that stuff. So
[52:17]
means media, all that stuff. So
we tried to get the word out.
[52:18]
we tried to get the word out.
We tried to ease people into
[52:20]
We tried to ease people into
it. We gave a lot of warnings.
[52:23]
it. We gave a lot of warnings.
Um, and then we started to find
[52:27]
Um, and then we started to find
so I think people this was one
[52:32]
so I think people this was one
of the disagreement items at
[52:35]
of the disagreement items at
one of the committee meetings.
[52:36]
one of the committee meetings.
Um. I guess I'll leave it at
[52:43]
Um. I guess I'll leave it at
that, that we, we we do we do
[52:46]
that, that we, we we do we do
give out a lot of warnings. We
[52:48]
give out a lot of warnings. We
do try very hard to get the
[52:50]
do try very hard to get the
word out to people. We send
[52:53]
word out to people. We send
letters, we send emails. A lot
[52:56]
letters, we send emails. A lot
of notifications, a lot of
[52:57]
of notifications, a lot of
travel called public education,
[52:59]
travel called public education,
social media, all that stuff.
[53:01]
social media, all that stuff.
So, uh, when you think about
[53:03]
So, uh, when you think about
fines, you know, that that also
[53:05]
fines, you know, that that also
factors into that fining and
[53:08]
factors into that fining and
penalty process as well.
[53:10]
penalty process as well.
So.
[53:12]
So.
And I think that about sums it
[53:14]
And I think that about sums it
up.
[53:14]
up.
Thank you very much, Councillor
[53:16]
Thank you very much, Councillor
Sullivan.
[53:16]
Sullivan.
Thank you, Mr. President. I
[53:17]
Thank you, Mr. President. I
want to get right to it. I
[53:18]
want to get right to it. I
would like to make a motion
[53:20]
would like to make a motion
that we exclude private wells
[53:21]
that we exclude private wells
from within the city limits.
[53:23]
from within the city limits.
And here's why. Um, mayor
[53:26]
And here's why. Um, mayor
mentioned it. Bob mentioned it.
[53:27]
mentioned it. Bob mentioned it.
We we have no power to enforce
[53:28]
We we have no power to enforce
that. There are no meters at
[53:30]
that. There are no meters at
these homes. How are we really
[53:32]
these homes. How are we really
going to regulate that? Winter
[53:33]
going to regulate that? Winter
is coming. I don't think any
[53:35]
is coming. I don't think any
private well, users are going
[53:36]
private well, users are going
to be doing any irrigation over
[53:37]
to be doing any irrigation over
the winter. Hopefully by spring
[53:39]
the winter. Hopefully by spring
we'll be in a better spot
[53:40]
we'll be in a better spot
where, you know, we won't have
[53:42]
where, you know, we won't have
to do this. But I just think,
[53:45]
to do this. But I just think,
quite frankly, it's government
[53:47]
quite frankly, it's government
overreach. Uh, we have no
[53:48]
overreach. Uh, we have no
authority to do this if they're
[53:50]
authority to do this if they're
not paying for this service
[53:51]
not paying for this service
from us, then it's none of our
[53:53]
from us, then it's none of our
business. Like, uh, Adam, a
[53:55]
business. Like, uh, Adam, a
constituent, wrote today. Is he
[53:57]
constituent, wrote today. Is he
here?
[53:57]
here?
Satara is.
[53:58]
Satara is.
In the room.
[53:58]
In the room.
Right there. Smart man. Said it
[54:01]
Right there. Smart man. Said it
all. He said, don't you think
[54:02]
all. He said, don't you think
we're already concerned that
[54:04]
we're already concerned that
our wells could run dry? Uh,
[54:06]
our wells could run dry? Uh,
we're, you know, we have the
[54:07]
we're, you know, we have the
same. They have the same
[54:08]
same. They have the same
problem we do. Except they
[54:10]
problem we do. Except they
don't have the city to back
[54:11]
don't have the city to back
them up. So if they have a
[54:13]
them up. So if they have a
problem, they have to dig
[54:15]
problem, they have to dig
deeper. So it's going to cost
[54:16]
deeper. So it's going to cost
you money. So I mean, smart
[54:19]
you money. So I mean, smart
homeowners are going to do as
[54:22]
homeowners are going to do as
much conservation on their own
[54:23]
much conservation on their own
as they can because they don't
[54:26]
as they can because they don't
want to make the problem worse
[54:27]
want to make the problem worse
for themselves or for the city
[54:29]
for themselves or for the city
as a whole. So for those
[54:30]
as a whole. So for those
reasons, government overreach
[54:32]
reasons, government overreach
can't really enforce it. I
[54:34]
can't really enforce it. I
think it's, um, it's not a good
[54:35]
think it's, um, it's not a good
idea to keep them included. I
[54:37]
idea to keep them included. I
made a motion and.
[54:38]
made a motion and.
A second did it.
[54:40]
A second did it.
Okay.
[54:41]
Okay.
Lots of people want to jump in
[54:42]
Lots of people want to jump in
on that one, but I had Diodati
[54:43]
on that one, but I had Diodati
first, so there.
[54:44]
first, so there.
We go.
[54:45]
We go.
Thank you. I'll set Councillor
[54:46]
Thank you. I'll set Councillor
Sullivan.
[54:46]
Sullivan.
Yes.
[54:47]
Yes.
Thank you, councillor basileus.
[54:48]
Thank you, councillor basileus.
Next. Um, Mr..
[54:51]
Next. Um, Mr..
Ward, am I correct to
[54:53]
Ward, am I correct to
understand that, um, a
[54:55]
understand that, um, a
residence, a home that is on a
[54:58]
residence, a home that is on a
lot, that requires their own.
[54:59]
lot, that requires their own.
Well, in their own septic, that
[55:02]
Well, in their own septic, that
that person is in fact the
[55:04]
that person is in fact the
water they're using is in fact
[55:06]
water they're using is in fact
being recharged to the
[55:08]
being recharged to the
groundwater. Is that correct?
[55:10]
groundwater. Is that correct?
If they have. Yeah. Private.
[55:12]
If they have. Yeah. Private.
Well.
[55:12]
Well.
They have a private well and
[55:13]
They have a private well and
septic combination. Okay. And
[55:16]
septic combination. Okay. And
that wouldn't be the case that
[55:17]
that wouldn't be the case that
they were on, um, a private.
[55:19]
they were on, um, a private.
Wells or a and had sewer. Then
[55:22]
Wells or a and had sewer. Then
it's, it goes to the for the
[55:24]
it's, it goes to the for the
people who have that
[55:25]
people who have that
circumstance. Correct. They're
[55:27]
circumstance. Correct. They're
paying for sewage service.
[55:28]
paying for sewage service.
From us. That's right.
[55:29]
From us. That's right.
Okay. All right. Um, that
[55:31]
Okay. All right. Um, that
that's that's the technical
[55:33]
that's that's the technical
question that I had. Thank you
[55:34]
question that I had. Thank you
sir.
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sir.
Thank you. Councillor
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Thank you. Councillor
Batchelor. Councillor Rogers.
[55:37]
Batchelor. Councillor Rogers.
Uh.
[55:38]
Uh.
I have a few things. Uh, one of
[55:39]
I have a few things. Uh, one of
them is the private wells. I'm
[55:40]
them is the private wells. I'm
not interested in putting that
[55:42]
not interested in putting that
in. Um, the other one. I have a
[55:43]
in. Um, the other one. I have a
couple here. Um, it says on,
[55:46]
couple here. Um, it says on,
um, uh, 252 for the, um, all
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um, uh, 252 for the, um, all
ground. Your irrigation systems
[55:53]
ground. Your irrigation systems
should be plumbed. So that shut
[55:54]
should be plumbed. So that shut
off valve is located outside
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off valve is located outside
the building and situated, so
[55:57]
the building and situated, so
it may be shut off if found to
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it may be shut off if found to
be in violation of ordinance.
[56:00]
be in violation of ordinance.
For this purpose of this
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For this purpose of this
section, police officers, city
[56:04]
section, police officers, city
or agents of the Board of Water
[56:05]
or agents of the Board of Water
Commissioners may enter a
[56:06]
Commissioners may enter a
property to just go on a
[56:07]
property to just go on a
property and just shut it off.
[56:09]
property and just shut it off.
Well, I mean, I don't agree
[56:10]
Well, I mean, I don't agree
with that. I mean, I just don't
[56:11]
with that. I mean, I just don't
even know if we have the right
[56:12]
even know if we have the right
to go on and just shut
[56:13]
to go on and just shut
somebody's water off at their
[56:14]
somebody's water off at their
house. That's that's one the
[56:17]
house. That's that's one the
other thing I have is baseline
[56:19]
other thing I have is baseline
seasonal conservation. That's
[56:21]
seasonal conservation. That's
when we have no problems. Is
[56:22]
when we have no problems. Is
that correct? When they.
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that correct? When they.
When that would be any May 15th
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When that would be any May 15th
through September 30th.
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through September 30th.
So let's say we have rain every
[56:29]
So let's say we have rain every
day. They're still going to be
[56:31]
day. They're still going to be
in like I don't I don't like
[56:33]
in like I don't I don't like
this baseline here. Why why why
[56:35]
this baseline here. Why why why
do we need a baseline from May
[56:39]
do we need a baseline from May
15th through September 30th for
[56:41]
15th through September 30th for
non-essential outdoor watering?
[56:43]
non-essential outdoor watering?
Why should we worry about that?
[56:44]
Why should we worry about that?
Because you're not going to
[56:45]
Because you're not going to
oversee it anyways. If we have
[56:46]
oversee it anyways. If we have
a lot of rain, if we have
[56:46]
a lot of rain, if we have
plenty of water right.
[56:48]
plenty of water right.
Uh, that's not one of my
[56:50]
Uh, that's not one of my
recommendations here. This was
[56:52]
recommendations here. This was
one of the that came out of the
[56:53]
one of the that came out of the
planning and development.
[56:54]
planning and development.
It didn't come. Yeah. I did.
[56:56]
It didn't come. Yeah. I did.
One of the people, the members
[56:58]
One of the people, the members
of that committee. Okay. Let me
[56:59]
of that committee. Okay. Let me
just make that. Yeah, I'll make
[57:00]
just make that. Yeah, I'll make
that distinction.
[57:01]
that distinction.
So I don't agree with that
[57:02]
So I don't agree with that
because I if we have plenty of
[57:03]
because I if we have plenty of
I mean, if we're not going to
[57:05]
I mean, if we're not going to
enforce this, why have it in
[57:06]
enforce this, why have it in
here? That's what I, it's I
[57:07]
here? That's what I, it's I
don't agree with that. And then
[57:09]
don't agree with that. And then
who who would and who do you
[57:11]
who who would and who do you
have a separate person that's
[57:13]
have a separate person that's
going to I understand I got a
[57:15]
going to I understand I got a
letter. We just shut our
[57:17]
letter. We just shut our
irrigation on just for a second
[57:19]
irrigation on just for a second
to fill the hose for the for
[57:21]
to fill the hose for the for
the vegetables. But we got a
[57:22]
the vegetables. But we got a
letter stating we had turned it
[57:23]
letter stating we had turned it
on. So it's like you guys know
[57:24]
on. So it's like you guys know
that right away. By the by, um,
[57:28]
that right away. By the by, um,
the you must have a reader or
[57:30]
the you must have a reader or
something that tells you I got
[57:31]
something that tells you I got
a letter in the mail probably a
[57:32]
a letter in the mail probably a
week later saying we weren't
[57:34]
week later saying we weren't
even using our irrigation.
[57:35]
even using our irrigation.
But we're trying to keep an eye
[57:37]
But we're trying to keep an eye
on things.
[57:37]
on things.
Yeah, yeah.
[57:38]
Yeah, yeah.
So you have ways to to collect
[57:40]
So you have ways to to collect
it, but you're not going to. So
[57:42]
it, but you're not going to. So
and the other thing is who put
[57:44]
and the other thing is who put
the who is on the committee to
[57:46]
the who is on the committee to
put this final draft together.
[57:47]
put this final draft together.
Oh my gosh.
[57:49]
Oh my gosh.
We're going to get to.
[57:50]
We're going to get to.
You know it's okay. Yep. You
[57:52]
You know it's okay. Yep. You
were on that committee.
[57:53]
were on that committee.
No it doesn't come from the
[57:54]
No it doesn't come from the
planning board. So who put this
[57:55]
planning board. So who put this
final draft together? I wasn't
[57:56]
final draft together? I wasn't
on this.
[57:57]
on this.
We worked with the city
[57:59]
We worked with the city
solicitor's office to put the
[58:00]
solicitor's office to put the
the draft city ordinance
[58:03]
the draft city ordinance
together.
[58:03]
together.
Because you don't agree with a.
[58:04]
Because you don't agree with a.
Lot of questions from from
[58:06]
Lot of questions from from
people that were on that
[58:07]
people that were on that
planning and development
[58:08]
planning and development
committee. We did take we did
[58:10]
committee. We did take we did
put suggestions from that
[58:12]
put suggestions from that
meeting into this draft.
[58:14]
meeting into this draft.
, because what we.
[58:14]
, because what we.
Said is.
[58:15]
Said is.
We we gave you the list that
[58:18]
We we gave you the list that
majority of us voted against to
[58:19]
majority of us voted against to
say, if what if you guys think
[58:20]
say, if what if you guys think
any of this should be added,
[58:21]
any of this should be added,
you should add it. That was the
[58:23]
you should add it. That was the
line you can.
[58:25]
line you can.
This is the opportunity to make
[58:27]
This is the opportunity to make
these corrections. It's it's
[58:29]
these corrections. It's it's
you have to start somewhere
[58:30]
you have to start somewhere
counselor. So feel free to
[58:32]
counselor. So feel free to
strike.
[58:33]
strike.
You know those are the only
[58:34]
You know those are the only
things right now I have it.
[58:35]
things right now I have it.
It was just to get this moving,
[58:37]
It was just to get this moving,
you know, it had languished. So
[58:40]
you know, it had languished. So
we wanted to just move on. This
[58:42]
we wanted to just move on. This
strike. Whatever you're not
[58:44]
strike. Whatever you're not
comfortable with.
[58:45]
comfortable with.
Well, those three items I'm not
[58:46]
Well, those three items I'm not
comfortable.
[58:46]
comfortable.
With, uh, and and, you know,
[58:48]
With, uh, and and, you know,
this is what this body is for,
[58:49]
this is what this body is for,
to make these decisions, um,
[58:52]
to make these decisions, um,
based on. But at least you have
[58:54]
based on. But at least you have
a template to start from, and
[58:55]
a template to start from, and
you can strike what doesn't
[58:57]
you can strike what doesn't
work.
[58:57]
work.
Thank you. I'm all set.
[58:59]
Thank you. I'm all set.
You're all set. Thank you,
[59:00]
You're all set. Thank you,
Councillor Diodati.
[59:01]
Councillor Diodati.
Thank you, Mr. President. And
[59:02]
Thank you, Mr. President. And
I'd like to just. Yeah. Further
[59:03]
I'd like to just. Yeah. Further
clarify the mayor's statement.
[59:05]
clarify the mayor's statement.
Like the planning and
[59:05]
Like the planning and
development Committee, we had a
[59:06]
development Committee, we had a
list of ideas. Not all of us
[59:08]
list of ideas. Not all of us
agreed on set ideas. We sent
[59:10]
agreed on set ideas. We sent
them to the administration to
[59:12]
them to the administration to
come up with this. And this is
[59:13]
come up with this. And this is
the debate time. This is why
[59:14]
the debate time. This is why
we're here. So that's what
[59:16]
we're here. So that's what
we're doing now. Um, I do have
[59:17]
we're doing now. Um, I do have
a question about the, uh, the
[59:19]
a question about the, uh, the
basically the exemptions for
[59:20]
basically the exemptions for
non-essential use. Why is
[59:22]
non-essential use. Why is
irrigation of public parks
[59:23]
irrigation of public parks
before 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. still
[59:26]
before 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. still
allowed?
[59:30]
allowed?
I that would be a policy
[59:32]
I that would be a policy
question for you. If you wanted
[59:33]
question for you. If you wanted
to take it out of there, you
[59:34]
to take it out of there, you
could do that. I mean, it's.
[59:38]
could do that. I mean, it's.
Um, councilor, I, I think it is
[59:42]
Um, councilor, I, I think it is
allowed because in some
[59:44]
allowed because in some
instances, like I think at
[59:46]
instances, like I think at
Silver Hill, they put in sod
[59:48]
Silver Hill, they put in sod
and to make the sod catch, you
[59:50]
and to make the sod catch, you
have to water it. So, um, you
[59:52]
have to water it. So, um, you
know, I don't think all the
[59:55]
know, I don't think all the
sprinklers are on everywhere,
[59:56]
sprinklers are on everywhere,
but in certain circumstance,
[59:58]
but in certain circumstance,
um, I think that also happened
[1:00:00]
um, I think that also happened
at the common this year. They
[1:00:01]
at the common this year. They
they did a lot of work at the
[1:00:04]
they did a lot of work at the
common, not the city so much.
[1:00:06]
common, not the city so much.
Team Haverhill paid for a
[1:00:07]
Team Haverhill paid for a
specialist to come in because
[1:00:09]
specialist to come in because
of the the extreme use over the
[1:00:13]
of the the extreme use over the
last few years and the drought.
[1:00:15]
last few years and the drought.
Uh, the, the grass at the
[1:00:17]
Uh, the, the grass at the
common was, was suffering. Um,
[1:00:19]
common was, was suffering. Um,
so they were allowed to water.
[1:00:21]
so they were allowed to water.
They wanted really early and it
[1:00:24]
They wanted really early and it
was over. Um, but just to, to
[1:00:26]
was over. Um, but just to, to
give that seed a chance.
[1:00:29]
give that seed a chance.
Okay.
[1:00:29]
Okay.
I guess it's just kind of a,
[1:00:30]
I guess it's just kind of a,
it's a debate I'm having with
[1:00:32]
it's a debate I'm having with
myself right now for. So I'm
[1:00:33]
myself right now for. So I'm
talking about section two 5026.
[1:00:37]
talking about section two 5026.
Um, G is for irrigation of
[1:00:38]
Um, G is for irrigation of
public parks before 9 a.m. and
[1:00:40]
public parks before 9 a.m. and
5 p.m., H is for irrigation of
[1:00:42]
5 p.m., H is for irrigation of
public and public and private
[1:00:44]
public and public and private
recreational fields, which I
[1:00:46]
recreational fields, which I
would, and those operated by
[1:00:47]
would, and those operated by
schools. So I think that would
[1:00:48]
schools. So I think that would
be where the Silver Hill would,
[1:00:49]
be where the Silver Hill would,
you know, more or less fall
[1:00:50]
you know, more or less fall
under. But for irrigation of
[1:00:52]
under. But for irrigation of
public parks before and after
[1:00:54]
public parks before and after
five, you know, if we're
[1:00:55]
five, you know, if we're
worried about the damage and
[1:00:56]
worried about the damage and
the and the cost of repairing
[1:00:58]
the and the cost of repairing
it, like we're putting
[1:00:58]
it, like we're putting
homeowners through the same
[1:00:59]
homeowners through the same
exact thing, you know, so we we
[1:01:01]
exact thing, you know, so we we
have lawns that are dying and
[1:01:03]
have lawns that are dying and
people that don't want their
[1:01:04]
people that don't want their
grass to die. Um, you know, I'm
[1:01:06]
grass to die. Um, you know, I'm
just I guess I'm having a hard
[1:01:07]
just I guess I'm having a hard
time actually having that on
[1:01:09]
time actually having that on
this list. And then at, uh,
[1:01:11]
this list. And then at, uh,
Councilor Rogers Point, uh, for
[1:01:14]
Councilor Rogers Point, uh, for
the purpose of this, I'm
[1:01:15]
the purpose of this, I'm
skipping along here and going
[1:01:17]
skipping along here and going
back to, um, section that we
[1:01:20]
back to, um, section that we
add here. This is the, uh, the
[1:01:22]
add here. This is the, uh, the
irrigation system requirements.
[1:01:24]
irrigation system requirements.
Um, I don't necessarily feel
[1:01:25]
Um, I don't necessarily feel
comfortable with police
[1:01:26]
comfortable with police
officers and or city agents. So
[1:01:28]
officers and or city agents. So
the Board of Water
[1:01:28]
the Board of Water
Commissioners being able to
[1:01:29]
Commissioners being able to
enter a property to enforce
[1:01:31]
enter a property to enforce
that section for turning off
[1:01:32]
that section for turning off
sprinklers. I think if there's
[1:01:34]
sprinklers. I think if there's
an issue with permitting,
[1:01:35]
an issue with permitting,
there's an appointment that
[1:01:35]
there's an appointment that
should be made and every
[1:01:36]
should be made and every
attempt should be made to work
[1:01:38]
attempt should be made to work
diligently with a homeowner to
[1:01:40]
diligently with a homeowner to
to have a discussion with them,
[1:01:41]
to have a discussion with them,
or if they are using the water,
[1:01:43]
or if they are using the water,
then we already have a fining
[1:01:44]
then we already have a fining
schedule in place for that. So,
[1:01:47]
schedule in place for that. So,
um, I would like to see that at
[1:01:49]
um, I would like to see that at
least stricken from this. And
[1:01:50]
least stricken from this. And
then as far as the private
[1:01:52]
then as far as the private
wells are concerned, we've
[1:01:53]
wells are concerned, we've
talked about that are probably
[1:01:55]
talked about that are probably
too much already tonight, but I
[1:01:56]
too much already tonight, but I
do not agree with it. If you
[1:01:58]
do not agree with it. If you
own your property, you should
[1:01:58]
own your property, you should
own everything right down to
[1:01:59]
own everything right down to
the earth. And if you're paying
[1:02:00]
the earth. And if you're paying
for your own infrastructure to
[1:02:01]
for your own infrastructure to
put water into your house, and
[1:02:03]
put water into your house, and
you're also putting it back in
[1:02:04]
you're also putting it back in
with a septic system, it just
[1:02:05]
with a septic system, it just
seems seems pointless. Um, and
[1:02:08]
seems seems pointless. Um, and
I know that this needed to be
[1:02:09]
I know that this needed to be
revised, and I'm happy that it
[1:02:11]
revised, and I'm happy that it
is being revised, but I also
[1:02:12]
is being revised, but I also
want to remind everyone to. We
[1:02:13]
want to remind everyone to. We
have a solution to the water on
[1:02:15]
have a solution to the water on
the way. It's just going to
[1:02:16]
the way. It's just going to
take some time to do it, and
[1:02:18]
take some time to do it, and
we're doing everything we can.
[1:02:19]
we're doing everything we can.
And I appreciate everybody's
[1:02:20]
And I appreciate everybody's
efforts to, uh, do better with
[1:02:22]
efforts to, uh, do better with
water conservation. Those that
[1:02:23]
water conservation. Those that
are using our city water,
[1:02:25]
are using our city water,
because those efforts are
[1:02:26]
because those efforts are
definitely paying off and they
[1:02:27]
definitely paying off and they
are buying us time. And I do
[1:02:29]
are buying us time. And I do
have one more question for Mr.
[1:02:30]
have one more question for Mr.
Ward. You know, if we continue
[1:02:32]
Ward. You know, if we continue
to do what we are doing as far
[1:02:33]
to do what we are doing as far
as water conservation is
[1:02:34]
as water conservation is
concerned and the city does
[1:02:37]
concerned and the city does
continue to have an effort
[1:02:38]
continue to have an effort
there, do we have a fear of
[1:02:40]
there, do we have a fear of
running out of water?
[1:02:43]
running out of water?
The drought continues long
[1:02:45]
The drought continues long
term? Yeah, absolutely.
[1:02:48]
term? Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
[1:02:53]
Okay.
Thank you. Thank you. Councilor
[1:02:55]
Thank you. Thank you. Councilor
Diodati. Councilor Ferreira.
[1:02:57]
Diodati. Councilor Ferreira.
Thank you. Um, just to remind
[1:03:00]
Thank you. Um, just to remind
everybody back in March is when
[1:03:02]
everybody back in March is when
we asked for an update for this
[1:03:04]
we asked for an update for this
as we had drought conditions
[1:03:06]
as we had drought conditions
changing at that time. And we
[1:03:07]
changing at that time. And we
are changing to more serious
[1:03:09]
are changing to more serious
levels. So it went to planning
[1:03:10]
levels. So it went to planning
and development twice. Um, and
[1:03:13]
and development twice. Um, and
the draft that our committee
[1:03:15]
the draft that our committee
moved to your administration
[1:03:17]
moved to your administration
office was to bring this back
[1:03:19]
office was to bring this back
to us. The overview of this
[1:03:22]
to us. The overview of this
section is based on
[1:03:24]
section is based on
conservation primarily. So
[1:03:26]
conservation primarily. So
we're looking at all of these
[1:03:28]
we're looking at all of these
items as ways to help move
[1:03:31]
items as ways to help move
conservation in a positive
[1:03:33]
conservation in a positive
manner to protect our overall
[1:03:34]
manner to protect our overall
water supply. So for me, when
[1:03:38]
water supply. So for me, when
we talk about water users, this
[1:03:40]
we talk about water users, this
was something that was unclear
[1:03:42]
was something that was unclear
and what I heard quite often,
[1:03:43]
and what I heard quite often,
and I'm sure many of you have
[1:03:44]
and I'm sure many of you have
heard the same thing. They have
[1:03:46]
heard the same thing. They have
wells, they're watering their
[1:03:47]
wells, they're watering their
lawns. This person has their
[1:03:49]
lawns. This person has their
irrigation going all day. This
[1:03:50]
irrigation going all day. This
business has their lawn
[1:03:52]
business has their lawn
sprinklers going all day. The
[1:03:53]
sprinklers going all day. The
number of times I have heard
[1:03:55]
number of times I have heard
about Market Basket Plaza at
[1:03:58]
about Market Basket Plaza at
Westgate, watering their lawn
[1:03:59]
Westgate, watering their lawn
all day long. I'm sure you have
[1:04:01]
all day long. I'm sure you have
all heard it. And if you
[1:04:01]
all heard it. And if you
haven't, I don't know how
[1:04:03]
haven't, I don't know how
people are getting in touch
[1:04:04]
people are getting in touch
with you, but they they're on a
[1:04:06]
with you, but they they're on a
well, they're right. So right
[1:04:09]
well, they're right. So right
now, commercial properties with
[1:04:12]
now, commercial properties with
wells are allowed to use those
[1:04:15]
wells are allowed to use those
wells however they want as
[1:04:16]
wells however they want as
well. And those larger
[1:04:18]
well. And those larger
properties are more than likely
[1:04:19]
properties are more than likely
using more water to cover their
[1:04:21]
using more water to cover their
grass than you. Well owner near
[1:04:24]
grass than you. Well owner near
Crystal Lake are using to water
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Crystal Lake are using to water
your lawn. That's my guess,
[1:04:27]
your lawn. That's my guess,
right? So when we're talking
[1:04:30]
right? So when we're talking
about where this water is
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about where this water is
coming from, we also talked
[1:04:33]
coming from, we also talked
about at our subcommittee
[1:04:34]
about at our subcommittee
meeting that if you have a
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meeting that if you have a
well, you're not just dipping a
[1:04:38]
well, you're not just dipping a
straw into an unending pool
[1:04:40]
straw into an unending pool
that's only below your house.
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that's only below your house.
It is tied in and connected and
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It is tied in and connected and
recharges and flows up and down
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recharges and flows up and down
with everybody else's water. In
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with everybody else's water. In
our watershed area, you have a
[1:04:50]
our watershed area, you have a
well, because you had a flow
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well, because you had a flow
rate that made it valuable for
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rate that made it valuable for
you to dig a well at your
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you to dig a well at your
house. That means you're in a
[1:04:56]
house. That means you're in a
watershed area where there's
[1:04:57]
watershed area where there's
water to tap into my house. I'm
[1:05:00]
water to tap into my house. I'm
not digging a well, I probably
[1:05:02]
not digging a well, I probably
maybe could, but I live up the
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maybe could, but I live up the
hill here. We don't do that
[1:05:04]
hill here. We don't do that
here. However, we're asking
[1:05:07]
here. However, we're asking
everyone to conserve no matter
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everyone to conserve no matter
where your water is coming
[1:05:11]
where your water is coming
from, because from a
[1:05:12]
from, because from a
sustainability and a
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sustainability and a
conservation practice, it is
[1:05:15]
conservation practice, it is
all connected. And if we have
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all connected. And if we have
to make changes to our
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to make changes to our
practices as a community to
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practices as a community to
take care of each other and to
[1:05:24]
take care of each other and to
take care of our community,
[1:05:25]
take care of our community,
this is a way to make sure that
[1:05:27]
this is a way to make sure that
community wide, we're all being
[1:05:29]
community wide, we're all being
held to the same standards.
[1:05:30]
held to the same standards.
Water is not an infinite
[1:05:31]
Water is not an infinite
resource, and I think we've
[1:05:32]
resource, and I think we've
witnessed this with Kenosha
[1:05:34]
witnessed this with Kenosha
Lake drying down to what looks
[1:05:36]
Lake drying down to what looks
like a mud puddle. Right? So
[1:05:38]
like a mud puddle. Right? So
it's going to take a long time
[1:05:39]
it's going to take a long time
for that to recharge. Maybe
[1:05:41]
for that to recharge. Maybe
it'll take two years when the
[1:05:43]
it'll take two years when the
radial collector comes on. My
[1:05:45]
radial collector comes on. My
guess is it's still going to be
[1:05:47]
guess is it's still going to be
low at that point. It takes a
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low at that point. It takes a
long, long time to get that
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long, long time to get that
back. And in the meantime, if
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back. And in the meantime, if
we can adjust our conservation
[1:05:55]
we can adjust our conservation
measures by asking everybody
[1:05:58]
measures by asking everybody
who uses water at all to abide
[1:06:01]
who uses water at all to abide
by the same rules, in the same
[1:06:04]
by the same rules, in the same
enforcement, I don't really
[1:06:06]
enforcement, I don't really
think that's too much to ask of
[1:06:07]
think that's too much to ask of
us as a community. No matter
[1:06:09]
us as a community. No matter
where your water comes from. So
[1:06:10]
where your water comes from. So
we're not talking about taxing
[1:06:13]
we're not talking about taxing
or metering wells. We're not
[1:06:15]
or metering wells. We're not
talking about charging a fee
[1:06:17]
talking about charging a fee
because you have a well to the
[1:06:19]
because you have a well to the
water department or it's not
[1:06:21]
water department or it's not
that we're asking you to
[1:06:23]
that we're asking you to
conserve the same way. And the
[1:06:25]
conserve the same way. And the
enforcement is the same, as I
[1:06:27]
enforcement is the same, as I
would assume it is for everyone
[1:06:28]
would assume it is for everyone
else. You can drive by and see
[1:06:29]
else. You can drive by and see
your lawn sprinklers going, or
[1:06:31]
your lawn sprinklers going, or
somebody calls and says they're
[1:06:33]
somebody calls and says they're
watering their lawn 24 hours a
[1:06:35]
watering their lawn 24 hours a
day in my street or whatever it
[1:06:36]
day in my street or whatever it
is. The enforcement is the same
[1:06:37]
is. The enforcement is the same
as everybody else. The water
[1:06:39]
as everybody else. The water
department knows if you have a
[1:06:41]
department knows if you have a
well or if you have city water,
[1:06:42]
well or if you have city water,
it's not a secret. Right? So I
[1:06:45]
it's not a secret. Right? So I
guess my other so that's I feel
[1:06:48]
guess my other so that's I feel
okay with Wells being included
[1:06:50]
okay with Wells being included
as all water users. Another
[1:06:52]
as all water users. Another
reason I think I feel okay
[1:06:53]
reason I think I feel okay
about it, which Bob, maybe you
[1:06:55]
about it, which Bob, maybe you
can give us some help here. Do
[1:06:58]
can give us some help here. Do
we have any idea of how many
[1:06:59]
we have any idea of how many
wells are in use in the city of
[1:07:00]
wells are in use in the city of
Haverhill, and how many
[1:07:02]
Haverhill, and how many
residents would be on Wells?
[1:07:07]
residents would be on Wells?
We generally it's about 90% of
[1:07:11]
We generally it's about 90% of
people are on on city water,
[1:07:13]
people are on on city water,
right? Yeah. I don't know the
[1:07:15]
right? Yeah. I don't know the
number of wells right out
[1:07:17]
number of wells right out
there. So.
[1:07:18]
there. So.
And so when we talk about
[1:07:21]
And so when we talk about
conservation measures, it's
[1:07:25]
conservation measures, it's
still makes an impact to
[1:07:27]
still makes an impact to
conserve even at your own house
[1:07:29]
conserve even at your own house
with a well as it does as a
[1:07:32]
with a well as it does as a
resident to preserve our
[1:07:34]
resident to preserve our
general water supply. It's a
[1:07:35]
general water supply. It's a
generalized system. It's a
[1:07:37]
generalized system. It's a
community wide issue. I think I
[1:07:41]
community wide issue. I think I
understand a concern that it
[1:07:42]
understand a concern that it
feels like overstretch, and it
[1:07:44]
feels like overstretch, and it
feels like government
[1:07:45]
feels like government
overreach. But in all honesty,
[1:07:47]
overreach. But in all honesty,
when we looked at wording from
[1:07:49]
when we looked at wording from
lots of other communities and
[1:07:51]
lots of other communities and
municipalities around us, all
[1:07:53]
municipalities around us, all
water users, this definition
[1:07:54]
water users, this definition
has included wells for a long,
[1:07:56]
has included wells for a long,
long time. For a lot of
[1:07:57]
long time. For a lot of
municipalities around here
[1:07:59]
municipalities around here
myself, Councilor Lewandowski
[1:08:01]
myself, Councilor Lewandowski
and Councilor Richardson met
[1:08:02]
and Councilor Richardson met
with Merrimack Valley Planning
[1:08:03]
with Merrimack Valley Planning
Commission about this with some
[1:08:05]
Commission about this with some
of their water folks over
[1:08:06]
of their water folks over
there, about how other
[1:08:07]
there, about how other
municipalities address
[1:08:09]
municipalities address
conservation. And some of these
[1:08:11]
conservation. And some of these
suggestions came from our
[1:08:12]
suggestions came from our
meetings there that we then
[1:08:13]
meetings there that we then
brought to our subcommittee
[1:08:14]
brought to our subcommittee
meetings, where we spoke for a
[1:08:15]
meetings, where we spoke for a
really long time about how our
[1:08:17]
really long time about how our
watershed works and how our
[1:08:19]
watershed works and how our
water system works. And the
[1:08:21]
water system works. And the
bigger questions, what are our
[1:08:23]
bigger questions, what are our
responsibilities to each other
[1:08:24]
responsibilities to each other
in this community? So for me,
[1:08:28]
in this community? So for me,
thank you for being patient. Is
[1:08:32]
thank you for being patient. Is
I think this ordinance looks
[1:08:33]
I think this ordinance looks
like a great starting point.
[1:08:35]
like a great starting point.
And I don't think we're taking
[1:08:38]
And I don't think we're taking
crazy jumps by any means to get
[1:08:40]
crazy jumps by any means to get
to this point. I think it's
[1:08:41]
to this point. I think it's
long overdue and it's baby
[1:08:43]
long overdue and it's baby
steps, and I think we've done a
[1:08:44]
steps, and I think we've done a
good job with the amount of
[1:08:46]
good job with the amount of
gallons saved so far. It was a
[1:08:49]
gallons saved so far. It was a
lot at our last water update
[1:08:50]
lot at our last water update
that you mentioned had been
[1:08:52]
that you mentioned had been
conserved so far this summer,
[1:08:54]
conserved so far this summer,
so in the world of climate
[1:08:57]
so in the world of climate
change and in the trends we're
[1:08:58]
change and in the trends we're
seeing of longer periods of
[1:08:59]
seeing of longer periods of
drought and longer periods of
[1:09:01]
drought and longer periods of
dry weather, we have to make
[1:09:02]
dry weather, we have to make
some changes as a community.
[1:09:04]
some changes as a community.
And I think we as elected
[1:09:08]
And I think we as elected
leaders need to take a lead and
[1:09:10]
leaders need to take a lead and
set an example for doing so. So
[1:09:12]
set an example for doing so. So
I support the ordinance as is.
[1:09:15]
I support the ordinance as is.
Thank you.
[1:09:15]
Thank you.
Thank you. Councillor, uh, Vice
[1:09:17]
Thank you. Councillor, uh, Vice
President Mitchinson.
[1:09:18]
President Mitchinson.
Thank you very much, Mr.
[1:09:21]
Thank you very much, Mr.
President. Um, well, before I
[1:09:24]
President. Um, well, before I
ask my questions, I want to
[1:09:26]
ask my questions, I want to
offer Bob, um, that I'm willing
[1:09:29]
offer Bob, um, that I'm willing
to be your tutor for
[1:09:32]
to be your tutor for
conciseness.
[1:09:36]
conciseness.
Thank you.
[1:09:37]
Thank you.
I may take you up on that.
[1:09:40]
I may take you up on that.
First question. Um, and this is
[1:09:43]
First question. Um, and this is
a little bit technical, but
[1:09:46]
a little bit technical, but
hopefully you can answer it in
[1:09:47]
hopefully you can answer it in
a short moment. Um, is Canosa
[1:09:51]
a short moment. Um, is Canosa
Lake alone the best trigger for
[1:09:58]
Lake alone the best trigger for
demand or. Other measures, such
[1:10:05]
demand or. Other measures, such
as, um, rate of decline,
[1:10:08]
as, um, rate of decline,
rainfall and other supplies
[1:10:11]
rainfall and other supplies
should supplement it. I mean,
[1:10:13]
should supplement it. I mean,
have you done much thinking
[1:10:14]
have you done much thinking
about that? We're banking all
[1:10:17]
about that? We're banking all
on Canosa.
[1:10:18]
on Canosa.
We do a lot of thinking about
[1:10:19]
We do a lot of thinking about
that stuff. Um, we do look at
[1:10:22]
that stuff. Um, we do look at
all that stuff. We we look at
[1:10:23]
all that stuff. We we look at
the rate of decline of Canosa.
[1:10:26]
the rate of decline of Canosa.
We know exactly how much water
[1:10:28]
We know exactly how much water
is at Crystal Lake. There's no
[1:10:30]
is at Crystal Lake. There's no
water to pump in Millvale. We
[1:10:31]
water to pump in Millvale. We
know that. Um, but we know how
[1:10:34]
know that. Um, but we know how
many days of pumping we have at
[1:10:37]
many days of pumping we have at
at Crystal at Millville. When
[1:10:39]
at Crystal at Millville. When
we are pumping them, we know
[1:10:40]
we are pumping them, we know
how much volume we had there.
[1:10:43]
how much volume we had there.
We know how much we pumped from
[1:10:44]
We know how much we pumped from
Crystal last year. We have all
[1:10:46]
Crystal last year. We have all
those numbers. And when we're
[1:10:49]
those numbers. And when we're
looking at that stuff where
[1:10:50]
looking at that stuff where
we're looking at all that
[1:10:52]
we're looking at all that
information, so, um, as a
[1:10:55]
information, so, um, as a
trigger level, Canosa seems to
[1:10:58]
trigger level, Canosa seems to
make the level seems to make
[1:11:00]
make the level seems to make
the most sense.
[1:11:02]
the most sense.
Okay. Um, that's a good
[1:11:04]
Okay. Um, that's a good
explanation. And I believe you.
[1:11:06]
explanation. And I believe you.
Was that concise.
[1:11:07]
Was that concise.
On that?
[1:11:08]
On that?
Yes.
[1:11:08]
Yes.
Very, very good. Um, uh, going
[1:11:12]
Very, very good. Um, uh, going
back to, uh, what council
[1:11:14]
back to, uh, what council
Sullivan was saying with
[1:11:15]
Sullivan was saying with
regards to, um, the last
[1:11:19]
regards to, um, the last
ordinance that we looked at in
[1:11:21]
ordinance that we looked at in
terms of education and
[1:11:24]
terms of education and
notification of people. Um, I
[1:11:28]
notification of people. Um, I
believe that whenever the
[1:11:29]
believe that whenever the
drought level changes, the
[1:11:31]
drought level changes, the
water division should publicly
[1:11:34]
water division should publicly
post the current Canosa supply
[1:11:37]
post the current Canosa supply
capacity percentage, drought
[1:11:40]
capacity percentage, drought
stage. And the basis for that
[1:11:42]
stage. And the basis for that
change so people can understand
[1:11:45]
change so people can understand
what it means. Does that sound
[1:11:48]
what it means. Does that sound
like something that.
[1:11:49]
like something that.
As a percentage, we can yeah,
[1:11:52]
As a percentage, we can yeah,
we can do that.
[1:11:53]
we can do that.
Okay. It's just a suggestion.
[1:11:57]
Okay. It's just a suggestion.
Um.
[1:11:57]
Um.
And I did also want to ask the
[1:11:59]
And I did also want to ask the
question about how many
[1:12:02]
question about how many
residences, what percentage,
[1:12:04]
residences, what percentage,
um, actually have Wells. And
[1:12:07]
um, actually have Wells. And
that's a relatively small
[1:12:09]
that's a relatively small
percentage. 10%.
[1:12:11]
percentage. 10%.
Yes.
[1:12:11]
Yes.
It is. As far as the impact
[1:12:13]
It is. As far as the impact
that it actually has. Yes. On
[1:12:16]
that it actually has. Yes. On
the on the drought conditions,
[1:12:19]
the on the drought conditions,
um, I think that's it. Thank
[1:12:23]
um, I think that's it. Thank
you very much.
[1:12:24]
you very much.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[1:12:26]
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Councilor LePage.
[1:12:27]
Councilor LePage.
Uh, thank you, Mr. President.
[1:12:30]
Uh, thank you, Mr. President.
I'm not going to go over
[1:12:31]
I'm not going to go over
everything. I was just going to
[1:12:32]
everything. I was just going to
basically ask to we had a
[1:12:34]
basically ask to we had a
motion and various seconds on
[1:12:37]
motion and various seconds on
it. Uh, my question is city
[1:12:39]
it. Uh, my question is city
solicitor, should we? As a
[1:12:42]
solicitor, should we? As a
former council would say, make
[1:12:44]
former council would say, make
the sausage here and strike and
[1:12:47]
the sausage here and strike and
and update this as we are right
[1:12:48]
and update this as we are right
here, right now? Can we go
[1:12:50]
here, right now? Can we go
through that? Because I have a
[1:12:51]
through that? Because I have a
couple suggestions. I don't
[1:12:52]
couple suggestions. I don't
know if others have. And we can
[1:12:54]
know if others have. And we can
just do that here versus going
[1:12:56]
just do that here versus going
back for.
[1:12:56]
back for.
The I would suggest, given how
[1:12:57]
The I would suggest, given how
long this has gone on, maybe we
[1:12:59]
long this has gone on, maybe we
should do that. But let's hear
[1:13:00]
should do that. But let's hear
from.
[1:13:01]
from.
The I think that you can do it.
[1:13:03]
The I think that you can do it.
So let's take this initial
[1:13:04]
So let's take this initial
motion. And they would each
[1:13:05]
motion. And they would each
have to be a motion. Right. So
[1:13:07]
have to be a motion. Right. So
we only have one motion.
[1:13:08]
we only have one motion.
So far.
[1:13:09]
So far.
On the table right now. And
[1:13:10]
On the table right now. And
that is to remove the private
[1:13:13]
that is to remove the private
wells. And so the the way to do
[1:13:14]
wells. And so the the way to do
that is in the definition of
[1:13:16]
that is in the definition of
water user, we would eliminate
[1:13:19]
water user, we would eliminate
um the or using privately owned
[1:13:22]
um the or using privately owned
wells. And so if you eliminated
[1:13:23]
wells. And so if you eliminated
that it just takes care of it.
[1:13:25]
that it just takes care of it.
So there are depending what the
[1:13:27]
So there are depending what the
motion is, I think it's
[1:13:28]
motion is, I think it's
succinct enough that we can
[1:13:29]
succinct enough that we can
make that we can.
[1:13:29]
make that we can.
Make I'm not.
[1:13:30]
Make I'm not.
A lawyer, but that's what I
[1:13:31]
A lawyer, but that's what I
highlighted.
[1:13:32]
highlighted.
How about that?
[1:13:32]
How about that?
Look at that. There you go.
[1:13:33]
Look at that. There you go.
Send an application to her
[1:13:35]
Send an application to her
firm, maybe see new.
[1:13:36]
firm, maybe see new.
Career, maybe.
[1:13:38]
Career, maybe.
Do something else.
[1:13:39]
Do something else.
But okay.
[1:13:40]
But okay.
So so yes, I would, uh, you
[1:13:42]
So so yes, I would, uh, you
know, council made the order if
[1:13:44]
know, council made the order if
that's what the city solicitor
[1:13:47]
that's what the city solicitor
says, we could just strike that
[1:13:49]
says, we could just strike that
pot of water uses and keep
[1:13:50]
pot of water uses and keep
water uses. I don't know if we
[1:13:51]
water uses. I don't know if we
even needed to keep it, but,
[1:13:53]
even needed to keep it, but,
um, I would make that motion
[1:13:56]
um, I would make that motion
again on top of Councillor
[1:13:58]
again on top of Councillor
Sullivan's motion.
[1:13:59]
Sullivan's motion.
Can never get enough.
[1:13:59]
Can never get enough.
Motion to double the motion.
[1:14:02]
Motion to double the motion.
Uh, are you all set, counselor?
[1:14:04]
Uh, are you all set, counselor?
At the moment. I'll have
[1:14:05]
At the moment. I'll have
another one.
[1:14:06]
another one.
Okay, I. Counselor, counselor
[1:14:08]
Okay, I. Counselor, counselor
Toohey.
[1:14:09]
Toohey.
You are? Well.
[1:14:09]
You are? Well.
I.
[1:14:09]
I.
Just wanted to voice my opinion
[1:14:11]
Just wanted to voice my opinion
because I, um. And it's based
[1:14:13]
because I, um. And it's based
on the. I really want to beat a
[1:14:15]
on the. I really want to beat a
dead horse because I don't know
[1:14:16]
dead horse because I don't know
if I'm the only member up here
[1:14:17]
if I'm the only member up here
that actually is on septic and,
[1:14:18]
that actually is on septic and,
well, um. And, Bob. What? Going
[1:14:21]
well, um. And, Bob. What? Going
back to the effect that Wells
[1:14:23]
back to the effect that Wells
have, um, what measurable
[1:14:26]
have, um, what measurable
benefit is achieved by having a
[1:14:28]
benefit is achieved by having a
restriction, a measurable,
[1:14:30]
restriction, a measurable,
definitive data that's
[1:14:32]
definitive data that's
measurable, uh, to put a
[1:14:33]
measurable, uh, to put a
restriction? I know it's I'm
[1:14:34]
restriction? I know it's I'm
assuming it's going to pass
[1:14:35]
assuming it's going to pass
anyway, but I, I have to speak
[1:14:37]
anyway, but I, I have to speak
tonight. Ask that question. Um,
[1:14:39]
tonight. Ask that question. Um,
because in my opinion, I think
[1:14:41]
because in my opinion, I think
if the city is going to
[1:14:42]
if the city is going to
restrict, um, use of my
[1:14:45]
restrict, um, use of my
groundwater, um, it should
[1:14:47]
groundwater, um, it should
identify the groundwater water
[1:14:50]
identify the groundwater water
resource that's actually
[1:14:51]
resource that's actually
affected. I'm not quite sure
[1:14:52]
affected. I'm not quite sure
you can actually do that, but
[1:14:54]
you can actually do that, but
in the future, if that, this
[1:14:56]
in the future, if that, this
comes back, then that really
[1:14:58]
comes back, then that really
should happen. I want to
[1:15:00]
should happen. I want to
commend Councillor Rogers and
[1:15:02]
commend Councillor Rogers and
certainly Councillor Sullivan,
[1:15:03]
certainly Councillor Sullivan,
because this without a doubt
[1:15:05]
because this without a doubt
for me personally is an
[1:15:07]
for me personally is an
overreach, no question about
[1:15:08]
overreach, no question about
it. Um, so if you can answer
[1:15:10]
it. Um, so if you can answer
that question for me tonight,
[1:15:12]
that question for me tonight,
if you can't, then you can
[1:15:13]
if you can't, then you can
certainly give it to me in
[1:15:14]
certainly give it to me in
another day. But what
[1:15:15]
another day. But what
measurable benefit is achieved
[1:15:17]
measurable benefit is achieved
if, in fact, this was, uh, if
[1:15:20]
if, in fact, this was, uh, if
this was to stay in..
[1:15:22]
this was to stay in..
So I'm we don't have any data
[1:15:25]
So I'm we don't have any data
or any numbers for you for
[1:15:27]
or any numbers for you for
that. So that was something
[1:15:29]
that. So that was something
that was, was.
[1:15:31]
that was, was.
Brought up.
[1:15:32]
Brought up.
Yeah. And, and I certainly and
[1:15:34]
Yeah. And, and I certainly and
I, and I commend, I want to
[1:15:35]
I, and I commend, I want to
commend the, the subcommittee
[1:15:36]
commend the, the subcommittee
but at the same time what I
[1:15:37]
but at the same time what I
don't like what's could happen
[1:15:39]
don't like what's could happen
here tonight is pitting pitting
[1:15:42]
here tonight is pitting pitting
citizens against each other.
[1:15:43]
citizens against each other.
That's not what heroes all
[1:15:45]
That's not what heroes all
about. So I'm not in favor of
[1:15:46]
about. So I'm not in favor of
that. But I want to commend all
[1:15:48]
that. But I want to commend all
of my colleagues that will
[1:15:50]
of my colleagues that will
support the motion, uh, this
[1:15:52]
support the motion, uh, this
evening, because that should
[1:15:53]
evening, because that should
happen if you're going to do
[1:15:54]
happen if you're going to do
that on private wells now or in
[1:15:56]
that on private wells now or in
the future. You should they
[1:15:57]
the future. You should they
should be data to support that
[1:15:58]
should be data to support that
that information, without a
[1:15:59]
that information, without a
doubt. Thank you, Mr.
[1:16:00]
doubt. Thank you, Mr.
President.
[1:16:01]
President.
Thank you. Councillor Toohey.
[1:16:02]
Thank you. Councillor Toohey.
Um, so I'll just add my quick
[1:16:04]
Um, so I'll just add my quick
$0.02 on this one. I appreciate
[1:16:05]
$0.02 on this one. I appreciate
the comments from all my
[1:16:06]
the comments from all my
colleagues, and I do appreciate
[1:16:09]
colleagues, and I do appreciate
the efforts from the
[1:16:10]
the efforts from the
subcommittee to look at
[1:16:12]
subcommittee to look at
conservation efforts. I think
[1:16:13]
conservation efforts. I think
we need to we've talked about
[1:16:14]
we need to we've talked about
this at previous meetings and
[1:16:16]
this at previous meetings and
do what we can. That said, to
[1:16:17]
do what we can. That said, to
the points that a few people
[1:16:18]
the points that a few people
have made, I did get the email
[1:16:20]
have made, I did get the email
from Mr. Cetera as well. I
[1:16:21]
from Mr. Cetera as well. I
actually forwarded it to Mr.
[1:16:23]
actually forwarded it to Mr.
Ward. Um, I thought some good
[1:16:25]
Ward. Um, I thought some good
points were made, and then I
[1:16:26]
points were made, and then I
had the conversation obviously
[1:16:28]
had the conversation obviously
with you earlier today, Bob,
[1:16:29]
with you earlier today, Bob,
asking basically that same
[1:16:30]
asking basically that same
question, does would this have
[1:16:32]
question, does would this have
a measurable impact? And that
[1:16:33]
a measurable impact? And that
was the answer I got that we
[1:16:34]
was the answer I got that we
don't believe it would have a
[1:16:35]
don't believe it would have a
measurable impact. So for that
[1:16:37]
measurable impact. So for that
reason I'm going to vote to
[1:16:38]
reason I'm going to vote to
exclude Wells. Um, so the
[1:16:40]
exclude Wells. Um, so the
motion to exclude Wells was
[1:16:42]
motion to exclude Wells was
made by Councillor Sullivan,
[1:16:44]
made by Councillor Sullivan,
seconded by Councillor Diodati.
[1:16:46]
seconded by Councillor Diodati.
Madam clerk, please call the
[1:16:47]
Madam clerk, please call the
roll on that one item.
[1:16:49]
roll on that one item.
Vice President Mitchinson.
[1:16:50]
Vice President Mitchinson.
Yes.
[1:16:50]
Yes.
Councillor. Batchelor.
[1:16:52]
Councillor. Batchelor.
Yes.
[1:16:53]
Yes.
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
[1:16:54]
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
Councillor. Sullivan. Yes.
[1:16:56]
Councillor. Sullivan. Yes.
Councillor. Ferreira.
[1:16:57]
Councillor. Ferreira.
No.
[1:16:57]
No.
Councillor. Toohey.
[1:16:58]
Councillor. Toohey.
Yes.
[1:16:59]
Yes.
Councillor McGonagle. Yes.
[1:17:00]
Councillor McGonagle. Yes.
Councillor LePage. Yes.
[1:17:02]
Councillor LePage. Yes.
Councillor Rogers. Yes. And
[1:17:04]
Councillor Rogers. Yes. And
President. Jordan.
[1:17:05]
President. Jordan.
Yes.
[1:17:06]
Yes.
Uh. Nine years. 009 years. One
[1:17:10]
Uh. Nine years. 009 years. One
nay one absent.
[1:17:11]
nay one absent.
Okay.
[1:17:11]
Okay.
So Wells are excluded. Uh,
[1:17:13]
So Wells are excluded. Uh,
Councillor Rogers, do you.
[1:17:13]
Councillor Rogers, do you.
Have a.
[1:17:14]
Have a.
I want to make another motion.
[1:17:15]
I want to make another motion.
Okay.
[1:17:15]
Okay.
Because if we're going to make
[1:17:16]
Because if we're going to make
changes in here, we have to
[1:17:17]
changes in here, we have to
make a motion to correct. So
[1:17:19]
make a motion to correct. So
yeah, I'd like to make two. One
[1:17:20]
yeah, I'd like to make two. One
of them is 25 200 and 50-25
[1:17:25]
of them is 25 200 and 50-25
baseline seasonal conservation.
[1:17:26]
baseline seasonal conservation.
I don't think we need that in
[1:17:27]
I don't think we need that in
there because I don't think we
[1:17:28]
there because I don't think we
should be telling people if
[1:17:30]
should be telling people if
it's raining all the time, that
[1:17:32]
it's raining all the time, that
they can only water between a
[1:17:33]
they can only water between a
certain time frame, I don't
[1:17:34]
certain time frame, I don't
think that should be part of
[1:17:35]
think that should be part of
what we're doing, because
[1:17:36]
what we're doing, because
nobody's going to oversee that.
[1:17:37]
nobody's going to oversee that.
If you want to read that. And
[1:17:38]
If you want to read that. And
the other one, I want.
[1:17:39]
the other one, I want.
To. Sorry.
[1:17:40]
To. Sorry.
Let's.
[1:17:41]
Let's.
Let's I want to be clear.
[1:17:42]
Let's I want to be clear.
Do you want to comment on this.
[1:17:44]
Do you want to comment on this.
or one motion.
[1:17:45]
or one motion.
At a time.
[1:17:45]
At a time.
Yeah. Sorry. So 200 and 50-25
[1:17:48]
Yeah. Sorry. So 200 and 50-25
baseline seasonal conservation.
[1:17:50]
baseline seasonal conservation.
I don't know if we need any of
[1:17:51]
I don't know if we need any of
that there. We need a baseline.
[1:17:52]
that there. We need a baseline.
There. I'm going to ask Bob do
[1:17:55]
There. I'm going to ask Bob do
you need have you had one
[1:17:56]
you need have you had one
before.
[1:17:58]
before.
So the triggers if you go down
[1:18:00]
So the triggers if you go down
it does allow us uh flexibility
[1:18:04]
it does allow us uh flexibility
that if we get in the drought
[1:18:06]
that if we get in the drought
watch zone, um, it does allow
[1:18:09]
watch zone, um, it does allow
us the flexibility to do that
[1:18:13]
us the flexibility to do that
very thing. If we get into this
[1:18:15]
very thing. If we get into this
so we don't. Down in 250-25.2.
[1:18:21]
so we don't. Down in 250-25.2.
Um, if you look at the action,
[1:18:23]
Um, if you look at the action,
it's very similar. If we start
[1:18:24]
it's very similar. If we start
to drop down and we get into
[1:18:26]
to drop down and we get into
that drop drought watch zone,
[1:18:28]
that drop drought watch zone,
which is going down.
[1:18:29]
which is going down.
Yeah.
[1:18:29]
Yeah.
We can we have the. you read in
[1:18:32]
We can we have the. you read in
there that we can implement uh,
[1:18:34]
there that we can implement uh,
May 15th through September
[1:18:37]
May 15th through September
30th.
[1:18:37]
30th.
The first drought.
[1:18:38]
The first drought.
Yeah.
[1:18:39]
Yeah.
Same thing.
[1:18:39]
Same thing.
First drought out is the same
[1:18:40]
First drought out is the same
thing. It doesn't need to
[1:18:41]
thing. It doesn't need to
happen when we have no drought.
[1:18:43]
happen when we have no drought.
That's what I'm saying. That's
[1:18:44]
That's what I'm saying. That's
what I'm saying. So I'm
[1:18:44]
what I'm saying. So I'm
thinking that paragraph doesn't
[1:18:45]
thinking that paragraph doesn't
need I legally I'm not a legal
[1:18:47]
need I legally I'm not a legal
person, but it doesn't need to
[1:18:48]
person, but it doesn't need to
be in there.
[1:18:49]
be in there.
But.
[1:18:50]
But.
I think you if you want to make
[1:18:51]
I think you if you want to make
that motion.
[1:18:52]
that motion.
Yeah, I'll make that motion.
[1:18:54]
Yeah, I'll make that motion.
Second.
[1:18:55]
Second.
So your motion, just so I
[1:18:57]
So your motion, just so I
understand it, is to remove.
[1:19:00]
understand it, is to remove.
The to.
[1:19:00]
The to.
The baseline.
[1:19:01]
The baseline.
CFD division.
[1:19:03]
CFD division.
250-25.
[1:19:05]
250-25.
But just so I understand it the
[1:19:07]
But just so I understand it the
way it is here right now, it
[1:19:09]
way it is here right now, it
only takes effect if we are if
[1:19:11]
only takes effect if we are if
we are in even a drought watch
[1:19:12]
we are in even a drought watch
or. Now. No, this would be
[1:19:14]
or. Now. No, this would be
just.
[1:19:14]
just.
To this year.
[1:19:15]
To this year.
All year round, all the time.
[1:19:16]
All year round, all the time.
All the time. It's all the
[1:19:17]
All the time. It's all the
time.
[1:19:17]
time.
And and I would just say as
[1:19:18]
And and I would just say as
part of that motion, um, give
[1:19:20]
part of that motion, um, give
us the authority to renumber
[1:19:22]
us the authority to renumber
accordingly. If it passes.
[1:19:25]
accordingly. If it passes.
This is when it's not a
[1:19:26]
This is when it's not a
drought.
[1:19:27]
drought.
Right.
[1:19:28]
Right.
We have plenty of rain there.
[1:19:30]
We have plenty of rain there.
That's what this that that.
[1:19:31]
That's what this that that.
Is there.
[1:19:32]
Is there.
It's basically deleting.
[1:19:35]
It's basically deleting.
250-25 gotcha.
[1:19:37]
250-25 gotcha.
Uh, motion was made by
[1:19:38]
Uh, motion was made by
Councillor Rogers, second from
[1:19:40]
Councillor Rogers, second from
Councillor Toohey. Councillor
[1:19:41]
Councillor Toohey. Councillor
Ferreira.
[1:19:42]
Ferreira.
Um, so the thought process
[1:19:44]
Um, so the thought process
behind that piece of it was to
[1:19:47]
behind that piece of it was to
delay the need to get to the
[1:19:49]
delay the need to get to the
drought status warnings by
[1:19:50]
drought status warnings by
practicing conservation between
[1:19:53]
practicing conservation between
May and September, when people
[1:19:54]
May and September, when people
water. If we're getting plenty
[1:19:56]
water. If we're getting plenty
of rain, you generally don't
[1:19:57]
of rain, you generally don't
water. And that was the data
[1:19:58]
water. And that was the data
that Bob has shown us many
[1:20:00]
that Bob has shown us many
times wet years versus dry
[1:20:01]
times wet years versus dry
years, and our water
[1:20:02]
years, and our water
consumption. So the thought to
[1:20:04]
consumption. So the thought to
include that was to have it be
[1:20:06]
include that was to have it be
a general conservation
[1:20:07]
a general conservation
practice, may to September of
[1:20:10]
practice, may to September of
watering at the most efficient
[1:20:11]
watering at the most efficient
times of the day to water
[1:20:12]
times of the day to water
before 9 a.m. and after 5 p.m.,
[1:20:15]
before 9 a.m. and after 5 p.m.,
so that we could delay further
[1:20:17]
so that we could delay further
more stringent drought measures
[1:20:20]
more stringent drought measures
by hopefully conserving earlier
[1:20:21]
by hopefully conserving earlier
on.
[1:20:22]
on.
Thank you. Thank you,
[1:20:23]
Thank you. Thank you,
Councillor Ferreira. I don't
[1:20:25]
Councillor Ferreira. I don't
see any of the lights on, but
[1:20:26]
see any of the lights on, but
I'm just going to say I agree
[1:20:27]
I'm just going to say I agree
with her on that one. That's I
[1:20:29]
with her on that one. That's I
will be voting against removing
[1:20:30]
will be voting against removing
this personally. Uh, no, the
[1:20:33]
this personally. Uh, no, the
lights are on. So the motion to
[1:20:35]
lights are on. So the motion to
remove 250 .25 was made by
[1:20:38]
remove 250 .25 was made by
Councillor Rogers, second by
[1:20:39]
Councillor Rogers, second by
Councillor Tsui. Madam clerk,
[1:20:41]
Councillor Tsui. Madam clerk,
please call the roll.
[1:20:42]
please call the roll.
Uh, should the motion include
[1:20:44]
Uh, should the motion include
the portion about the
[1:20:44]
the portion about the
renumbering of the ordinance?
[1:20:45]
renumbering of the ordinance?
Yes. Okay. All right. Vice
[1:20:54]
Yes. Okay. All right. Vice
President. Mitchinson.
[1:20:55]
President. Mitchinson.
No.
[1:20:56]
No.
Councillor. Basilar?
[1:20:57]
Councillor. Basilar?
No.
[1:20:58]
No.
Councillor. Diodati. No.
[1:21:00]
Councillor. Diodati. No.
Councillor. Sullivan. No.
[1:21:01]
Councillor. Sullivan. No.
Councillor. Ferreira. No.
[1:21:04]
Councillor. Ferreira. No.
Councillor. Toohey. Yes.
[1:21:06]
Councillor. Toohey. Yes.
Councillor McGonigle. No.
[1:21:08]
Councillor McGonigle. No.
Councillor LePage.
[1:21:09]
Councillor LePage.
No.
[1:21:10]
No.
Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And
[1:21:12]
Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And
President. Jordan. No. Uh nine.
[1:21:16]
President. Jordan. No. Uh nine.
No. Eight. Sorry. Two yeas.
[1:21:20]
No. Eight. Sorry. Two yeas.
Eight nays. One absent.
[1:21:22]
Eight nays. One absent.
All right. So that fails. Do we
[1:21:24]
All right. So that fails. Do we
have other?
[1:21:25]
have other?
Yeah. One more.
[1:21:26]
Yeah. One more.
Go ahead, councillor Rogers.
[1:21:27]
Go ahead, councillor Rogers.
I'm uncomfortable with letting
[1:21:28]
I'm uncomfortable with letting
people go on people's private.
[1:21:30]
people go on people's private.
I don't know if we still going
[1:21:31]
I don't know if we still going
to do that. Go on. People's
[1:21:32]
to do that. Go on. People's
private. Uh, that's the. I'll
[1:21:34]
private. Uh, that's the. I'll
tell you which one. I'm. I'm
[1:21:35]
tell you which one. I'm. I'm
comfortable with is, uh, two
[1:21:40]
comfortable with is, uh, two
5250 24. C one c.
[1:21:45]
5250 24. C one c.
What is it?
[1:21:52]
What is it?
And I don't know if that that
[1:21:53]
And I don't know if that that
would have to be rewritten.
[1:21:56]
would have to be rewritten.
Sorry.
[1:21:57]
Sorry.
You want me.
[1:21:58]
You want me.
To..
[1:21:58]
To..
I can. Like you. Can I talk
[1:22:03]
I can. Like you. Can I talk
like to make the motion to
[1:22:04]
like to make the motion to
strike the line in 250-24.1C.
[1:22:14]
strike the line in 250-24.1C.
Uh, for the purposes of the
[1:22:15]
Uh, for the purposes of the
section, only police officers
[1:22:17]
section, only police officers
and of the city and or agents
[1:22:19]
and of the city and or agents
of the Board of Water
[1:22:19]
of the Board of Water
commissioners may enter upon
[1:22:21]
commissioners may enter upon
any property to enforce this
[1:22:22]
any property to enforce this
section.
[1:22:23]
section.
So just removing that one line,
[1:22:25]
So just removing that one line,
is.
[1:22:25]
is.
That correct? Yes. And the
[1:22:27]
That correct? Yes. And the
reason behind it for me, really
[1:22:28]
reason behind it for me, really
is, is the ambiguity of the
[1:22:29]
is, is the ambiguity of the
line. It's like, you know, what
[1:22:30]
line. It's like, you know, what
are we looking at for property?
[1:22:31]
are we looking at for property?
Are we going into the basement
[1:22:33]
Are we going into the basement
or like what police can just
[1:22:34]
or like what police can just
the city people can just show
[1:22:36]
the city people can just show
up and shut things off? I
[1:22:37]
up and shut things off? I
really don't like that. I
[1:22:38]
really don't like that. I
believe that we can work with
[1:22:39]
believe that we can work with
our homeowners here. Um, if
[1:22:41]
our homeowners here. Um, if
there are issues and we can
[1:22:42]
there are issues and we can
correct any thing that we have
[1:22:44]
correct any thing that we have
going on. So.
[1:22:46]
going on. So.
That second that. But Bob, does
[1:22:47]
That second that. But Bob, does
that sound okay? I mean, does
[1:22:49]
that sound okay? I mean, does
that sound I mean, not I mean,
[1:22:50]
that sound I mean, not I mean,
okay, in terms of the even the
[1:22:52]
okay, in terms of the even the
first part of the sentence,
[1:22:54]
first part of the sentence,
leaving that in.
[1:22:57]
leaving that in.
I think so, yeah. I think, you
[1:22:59]
I think so, yeah. I think, you
know, if you have a shut off.
[1:23:01]
know, if you have a shut off.
So it leaves, uh, shut off
[1:23:02]
So it leaves, uh, shut off
valve outside the building.
[1:23:04]
valve outside the building.
aren't they situated? So it
[1:23:06]
aren't they situated? So it
could be shut off if found in
[1:23:07]
could be shut off if found in
violation of the audience.
[1:23:09]
violation of the audience.
But are shut off valves outside
[1:23:10]
But are shut off valves outside
the building right now?
[1:23:11]
the building right now?
Anyways, I'm trying to.
[1:23:12]
Anyways, I'm trying to.
Think some of them very well
[1:23:13]
Think some of them very well
may have. Yeah, some may not. I
[1:23:15]
may have. Yeah, some may not. I
don't know.
[1:23:16]
don't know.
Okay.
[1:23:17]
Okay.
This would be, you know, for
[1:23:19]
This would be, you know, for
irrigation systems in
[1:23:20]
irrigation systems in
particular, but they may, they
[1:23:22]
particular, but they may, they
may or may not.
[1:23:25]
may or may not.
Okay. Thank you.
[1:23:26]
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Councillor Ferreira.
[1:23:29]
Thank you. Councillor Ferreira.
Um, do we ever go and shut
[1:23:31]
Um, do we ever go and shut
people's water off on
[1:23:32]
people's water off on
properties?
[1:23:36]
properties?
Shut offs are out in the street
[1:23:38]
Shut offs are out in the street
right of way. So if we do a
[1:23:39]
right of way. So if we do a
shut off for non-payment, we
[1:23:41]
shut off for non-payment, we
don't go on the property.
[1:23:42]
don't go on the property.
You do it in the right of way.
[1:23:43]
You do it in the right of way.
Yeah, there's. There's a shut
[1:23:46]
Yeah, there's. There's a shut
off in the right of way or on
[1:23:48]
off in the right of way or on
the sidewalk, which is, that's
[1:23:49]
the sidewalk, which is, that's
in the right of way.
[1:23:50]
in the right of way.
And then generally speaking, if
[1:23:52]
And then generally speaking, if
there is a complaint or a
[1:23:56]
there is a complaint or a
potential violation of any
[1:23:59]
potential violation of any
sort. Board of health, um,
[1:24:01]
sort. Board of health, um,
safety, other things like that.
[1:24:03]
safety, other things like that.
Do city officials have the
[1:24:05]
Do city officials have the
right to go on to private
[1:24:06]
right to go on to private
property to inspect that?
[1:24:11]
property to inspect that?
It depends on what the
[1:24:13]
It depends on what the
violation is. And typically
[1:24:14]
violation is. And typically
what we would do is get an
[1:24:15]
what we would do is get an
order from the court allowing
[1:24:18]
order from the court allowing
the entry into the private
[1:24:19]
the entry into the private
property. If it's an emergency
[1:24:21]
property. If it's an emergency
situation, obviously fire or
[1:24:23]
situation, obviously fire or
something like that, you don't
[1:24:24]
something like that, you don't
need a court order, but it's a
[1:24:26]
need a court order, but it's a
board of health. They can go
[1:24:27]
board of health. They can go
and see if there's a violation,
[1:24:28]
and see if there's a violation,
if there's a violation before
[1:24:29]
if there's a violation before
they enter, then we would get a
[1:24:31]
they enter, then we would get a
court order, an administrative
[1:24:32]
court order, an administrative
order allowing the entry. So in
[1:24:35]
order allowing the entry. So in
this instance, you could if
[1:24:37]
this instance, you could if
there's a violation, you could
[1:24:40]
there's a violation, you could
get an administrative order as
[1:24:41]
get an administrative order as
well.
[1:24:41]
well.
Right. Because it would be
[1:24:43]
Right. Because it would be
documented at that point.
[1:24:44]
documented at that point.
Violations would be documented
[1:24:46]
Violations would be documented
because that's in the ordinance
[1:24:48]
because that's in the ordinance
existing right of using it when
[1:24:50]
existing right of using it when
we're not supposed to.
[1:24:51]
we're not supposed to.
So they're actually so if the
[1:24:54]
So they're actually so if the
in at the end, it's section
[1:24:58]
in at the end, it's section
250-29, um, violations and
[1:25:01]
250-29, um, violations and
penalties, section B uh,
[1:25:03]
penalties, section B uh,
actually not sections. Um
[1:25:05]
actually not sections. Um
section eight part section
[1:25:07]
section eight part section
four. Um, fourth violation.
[1:25:11]
four. Um, fourth violation.
Subsequent violations 300 all
[1:25:13]
Subsequent violations 300 all
of fine and may be subject to
[1:25:15]
of fine and may be subject to
termination of water service.
[1:25:16]
termination of water service.
So that's in there as well.
[1:25:18]
So that's in there as well.
Could I that's termination of
[1:25:20]
Could I that's termination of
service though. The other one
[1:25:21]
service though. The other one
is specific to irrigation.
[1:25:23]
is specific to irrigation.
Right. Could I also ask you,
[1:25:26]
Right. Could I also ask you,
since we did start finding
[1:25:28]
since we did start finding
people this past summer for
[1:25:30]
people this past summer for
using water, when we said the
[1:25:33]
using water, when we said the
proper levels were in place to
[1:25:34]
proper levels were in place to
not use water? Um, did you have
[1:25:36]
not use water? Um, did you have
many repeat offenders?
[1:25:38]
many repeat offenders?
We had quite a few repeat
[1:25:40]
We had quite a few repeat
offenders. Um.
[1:25:41]
offenders. Um.
And do you have an idea of the
[1:25:45]
And do you have an idea of the
amount of money and fines that
[1:25:47]
amount of money and fines that
were sent out?
[1:25:49]
were sent out?
I do know that, but I don't
[1:25:51]
I do know that, but I don't
have the numbers committed to
[1:25:53]
have the numbers committed to
memory. I just, um, the mayor
[1:25:55]
memory. I just, um, the mayor
and I talked about that just
[1:25:56]
and I talked about that just
within the last few weeks, but
[1:25:58]
within the last few weeks, but
I don't remember the numbers
[1:25:59]
I don't remember the numbers
off the top of my head. If you
[1:26:00]
off the top of my head. If you
want them, I can get them to
[1:26:01]
want them, I can get them to
you.
[1:26:02]
you.
I think that would be great.
[1:26:03]
I think that would be great.
I can say, though, that, um,
[1:26:06]
I can say, though, that, um,
one of the recent weekends may
[1:26:08]
one of the recent weekends may
be Labor Day weekend. We it
[1:26:10]
be Labor Day weekend. We it
was. I think we gave out like
[1:26:13]
was. I think we gave out like
$700 in fines. And then another
[1:26:16]
$700 in fines. And then another
recent weekend, another 500. So
[1:26:19]
recent weekend, another 500. So
it's it's still happening. Um.
[1:26:22]
it's it's still happening. Um.
Thank you.
[1:26:23]
Thank you.
Oh, counselor. Yes. Okay. So
[1:26:27]
Oh, counselor. Yes. Okay. So
correct me if I'm wrong. The
[1:26:28]
correct me if I'm wrong. The
motion now is from Councillor
[1:26:29]
motion now is from Councillor
Diodati, seconded by Councillor
[1:26:31]
Diodati, seconded by Councillor
Rogers to strike 250 .241 C,
[1:26:39]
Rogers to strike 250 .241 C,
specifically the line for the
[1:26:42]
specifically the line for the
purposes of this section, only
[1:26:44]
purposes of this section, only
police officers of the city and
[1:26:46]
police officers of the city and
or agents of the Board of Water
[1:26:48]
or agents of the Board of Water
Commissioners may enter upon
[1:26:50]
Commissioners may enter upon
any property to enforce the
[1:26:51]
any property to enforce the
section. That's the motion.
[1:26:53]
section. That's the motion.
Just to remove that one line.
[1:26:54]
Just to remove that one line.
Correct? Correct. And and
[1:26:55]
Correct? Correct. And and
that's the second. Madam clerk,
[1:26:56]
that's the second. Madam clerk,
please call the roll.
[1:26:57]
please call the roll.
Vice president. Mitchinson.
[1:26:59]
Vice president. Mitchinson.
Yes.
[1:26:59]
Yes.
Councillor. Bachelier. Yes.
[1:27:01]
Councillor. Bachelier. Yes.
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
[1:27:03]
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
Councillor. Sullivan. No.
[1:27:04]
Councillor. Sullivan. No.
Councillor. Ferreira. No.
[1:27:06]
Councillor. Ferreira. No.
Councillor. Tui.
[1:27:07]
Councillor. Tui.
Yes.
[1:27:09]
Yes.
Councillor McGonigle.
[1:27:10]
Councillor McGonigle.
Yes.
[1:27:13]
Yes.
Councillor LePage.
[1:27:16]
Councillor LePage.
Yes.
[1:27:16]
Yes.
Councillor Rogers and President
[1:27:19]
Councillor Rogers and President
Jordan. Yes. Eight. Two nays.
[1:27:21]
Jordan. Yes. Eight. Two nays.
One absent.
[1:27:22]
One absent.
So that one line is stricken
[1:27:24]
So that one line is stricken
from the ordinance. Do we have
[1:27:26]
from the ordinance. Do we have
any other suggestions?
[1:27:28]
any other suggestions?
Councillor LePage?
[1:27:29]
Councillor LePage?
Uh, just a quick. I believe
[1:27:31]
Uh, just a quick. I believe
it's a script, as ever. On
[1:27:35]
it's a script, as ever. On
250-25.1. And the third line
[1:27:40]
250-25.1. And the third line
says adequate supply of water
[1:27:42]
says adequate supply of water
to all water consumers. I think
[1:27:44]
to all water consumers. I think
the definition is actually
[1:27:45]
the definition is actually
customers. I think it's left
[1:27:47]
customers. I think it's left
over from the past ordinance.
[1:27:50]
over from the past ordinance.
So just to make them line up.
[1:27:52]
So just to make them line up.
I'll second that motion.
[1:27:55]
I'll second that motion.
A motion from Councillor
[1:27:57]
A motion from Councillor
Sullivan. Excuse me, LePage,
[1:27:59]
Sullivan. Excuse me, LePage,
second from Councillor Sullivan.
[1:28:03]
second from Councillor Sullivan.
Madam clerk, please call the
[1:28:05]
Madam clerk, please call the
roll.
[1:28:05]
roll.
Just give me.
[1:28:06]
Just give me.
One more. Sorry.
[1:28:06]
One more. Sorry.
Take your time. Uh. Rather.
[1:28:15]
Take your time. Uh. Rather.
Can I ask what that motion was?
[1:28:17]
Can I ask what that motion was?
Was it?
[1:28:20]
Was it?
It's consumer to customer?
[1:28:22]
It's consumer to customer?
You said yes.
[1:28:23]
You said yes.
Oh, yes.
[1:28:24]
Oh, yes.
I want to make it customer.
[1:28:26]
I want to make it customer.
Because that's.
[1:28:27]
Because that's.
What the. definition is. Yeah,
[1:28:28]
What the. definition is. Yeah,
yeah.
[1:28:28]
yeah.
And that's in line three. Okay.
[1:28:31]
And that's in line three. Okay.
Third line. Okay. Vice
[1:28:33]
Third line. Okay. Vice
president. Mitchinson. Yes.
[1:28:35]
president. Mitchinson. Yes.
Councillor. Bachelier. Yes.
[1:28:37]
Councillor. Bachelier. Yes.
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
[1:28:38]
Councillor. Diodati. Yes.
Councillor. Sullivan. Yes.
[1:28:39]
Councillor. Sullivan. Yes.
Councillor. Ferreira. Yes.
[1:28:40]
Councillor. Ferreira. Yes.
Councillor. Tuohy. Yes.
[1:28:42]
Councillor. Tuohy. Yes.
Councillor McGonigle. Yes.
[1:28:43]
Councillor McGonigle. Yes.
Councillor LePage. Yes.
[1:28:44]
Councillor LePage. Yes.
Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And
[1:28:46]
Councillor. Rogers. Yes. And
President. Jordan. Yes. Ten
[1:28:47]
President. Jordan. Yes. Ten
years. Zero. Nays one.
[1:28:49]
years. Zero. Nays one.
Absent that passes.
[1:28:51]
Absent that passes.
Are we voting the entire page?
[1:28:54]
Are we voting the entire page?
We vote on the entire.
[1:28:56]
We vote on the entire.
Ready to make a motion to vote
[1:28:57]
Ready to make a motion to vote
for the. Yep.
[1:28:58]
for the. Yep.
With all the amendments.
[1:29:00]
With all the amendments.
Okay. Second motion for
[1:29:02]
Okay. Second motion for
councillor page. Second from
[1:29:03]
councillor page. Second from
Councillor Sullivan to vote for
[1:29:06]
Councillor Sullivan to vote for
the ordinance with the edits
[1:29:08]
the ordinance with the edits
that we just made. Madam clerk,
[1:29:10]
that we just made. Madam clerk,
please call the roll.
[1:29:12]
please call the roll.
You said that was councillor
[1:29:13]
You said that was councillor
LePage.
[1:29:13]
LePage.
And then page second from
[1:29:15]
And then page second from
Councillor Sullivan.
[1:29:15]
Councillor Sullivan.
Okay. Uh, Vice president
[1:29:17]
Okay. Uh, Vice president
Mitchinson. Yes. Councillor.
[1:29:18]
Mitchinson. Yes. Councillor.
Bachelier. Yes. Councillor.
[1:29:20]
Bachelier. Yes. Councillor.
Diodati. Yes. Councillor.
[1:29:21]
Diodati. Yes. Councillor.
Sullivan. Yes. Councillor.
[1:29:22]
Sullivan. Yes. Councillor.
Ferreira. Yes. Councillor.
[1:29:24]
Ferreira. Yes. Councillor.
Tuohy. Yes. Councillor
[1:29:25]
Tuohy. Yes. Councillor
McGonigle. Yes. Councillor
[1:29:26]
McGonigle. Yes. Councillor
LePage. Yes. Councillor.
[1:29:28]
LePage. Yes. Councillor.
Rogers. Yes. And President.
[1:29:30]
Rogers. Yes. And President.
Jordan. Yes. Ten years. Zero.
[1:29:32]
Jordan. Yes. Ten years. Zero.
Nays one.
[1:29:32]
Nays one.
Absent that passes, I'd just
[1:29:34]
Absent that passes, I'd just
like to say thanks to everybody
[1:29:35]
like to say thanks to everybody
who's worked on it. Obviously a
[1:29:36]
who's worked on it. Obviously a
lot of effort has gone into it.
[1:29:38]
lot of effort has gone into it.
Meetings with outside groups
[1:29:39]
Meetings with outside groups
and meetings by the
[1:29:40]
and meetings by the
subcommittee, and I'm glad that
[1:29:42]
subcommittee, and I'm glad that
we vetted it here. And now we
[1:29:44]
we vetted it here. And now we
have an ordinance. Thank you.
[1:29:45]
have an ordinance. Thank you.
Thank you.
[1:29:46]
Thank you.
Thank you. Um.
[1:29:47]
Thank you. Um.
Get up here for a second. No.
[1:29:50]
Get up here for a second. No.
We closed it out. But go ahead.
[1:29:52]
We closed it out. But go ahead.
You have two minutes.
[1:29:56]
You have two minutes.
To enjoy. Thank you for giving
[1:29:58]
To enjoy. Thank you for giving
me the opportunity. Uh, I'm
[1:30:01]
me the opportunity. Uh, I'm
going to be brief.
[1:30:02]
going to be brief.
Yes. Thank you.
[1:30:03]
Yes. Thank you.
I'd like to ask about a
[1:30:05]
I'd like to ask about a
watershed in the amount of
[1:30:06]
watershed in the amount of
water actually moving through
[1:30:08]
water actually moving through
it. I personally seen beaver
[1:30:10]
it. I personally seen beaver
dams throughout Hazel that
[1:30:11]
dams throughout Hazel that
appear to significantly
[1:30:14]
appear to significantly
restrict in some cases, stop
[1:30:16]
restrict in some cases, stop
the movement of water through
[1:30:17]
the movement of water through
streams. Could these
[1:30:19]
streams. Could these
obstructions be affecting our
[1:30:21]
obstructions be affecting our
watershed and the amount of
[1:30:23]
watershed and the amount of
water eventually reaching our
[1:30:24]
water eventually reaching our
reservoirs? I have some photos
[1:30:26]
reservoirs? I have some photos
that I took at the these beaver
[1:30:28]
that I took at the these beaver
dams all over our water supply
[1:30:31]
dams all over our water supply
system. Streams that have
[1:30:33]
system. Streams that have
narrowed down to nothing, are
[1:30:35]
narrowed down to nothing, are
water. Standing still without
[1:30:37]
water. Standing still without
any types of movement. I know
[1:30:39]
any types of movement. I know
that there's restrictions on
[1:30:41]
that there's restrictions on
beaver dams being taken down,
[1:30:43]
beaver dams being taken down,
but I think maybe this is a
[1:30:45]
but I think maybe this is a
little bit of a problem that
[1:30:47]
little bit of a problem that
we're having with water being
[1:30:49]
we're having with water being
restricted going into Melville,
[1:30:50]
restricted going into Melville,
and eventually going into
[1:30:52]
and eventually going into
Canada. So, you know, this one
[1:30:54]
Canada. So, you know, this one
in particular here on the right
[1:30:56]
in particular here on the right
hand side, you've got about
[1:30:59]
hand side, you've got about
15ft from the left hand side of
[1:31:01]
15ft from the left hand side of
that photo. So there's two
[1:31:02]
that photo. So there's two
different there's a one pond
[1:31:04]
different there's a one pond
going into a ravine and there's
[1:31:06]
going into a ravine and there's
no water going by there. And
[1:31:08]
no water going by there. And
next please. Uh, and that's
[1:31:15]
next please. Uh, and that's
another, uh, beaver dam. That's
[1:31:17]
another, uh, beaver dam. That's
that water is not moving, not
[1:31:19]
that water is not moving, not
even an inch.
[1:31:20]
even an inch.
Where are you? Here. I just
[1:31:22]
Where are you? Here. I just
didn't hear what you said. You
[1:31:23]
didn't hear what you said. You
were right. Where's this dam? I
[1:31:24]
were right. Where's this dam? I
didn't hear.
[1:31:25]
didn't hear.
Uh, you know, I went all over
[1:31:27]
Uh, you know, I went all over
the place. I didn't get a
[1:31:28]
the place. I didn't get a
chance to. And I could take you
[1:31:30]
chance to. And I could take you
to them if you like, but India
[1:31:32]
to them if you like, but India
is a prime example. This
[1:31:34]
is a prime example. This
particular, you know, area,
[1:31:36]
particular, you know, area,
there's very little water going
[1:31:37]
there's very little water going
through. The water is higher
[1:31:39]
through. The water is higher
than it is lower. So very
[1:31:41]
than it is lower. So very
little going through it. Next,
[1:31:43]
little going through it. Next,
please. There's another one.
[1:31:51]
please. There's another one.
Absolutely no water going from
[1:31:53]
Absolutely no water going from
one side to the other. Very
[1:31:55]
one side to the other. Very
little. So all this water is
[1:31:57]
little. So all this water is
actually going into the ground.
[1:31:58]
actually going into the ground.
It's not going into Melville at
[1:32:00]
It's not going into Melville at
all. And these streams go all
[1:32:02]
all. And these streams go all
over the place and they kind of
[1:32:03]
over the place and they kind of
meet into Melville. And he has
[1:32:06]
meet into Melville. And he has
one. This is about three feet
[1:32:10]
one. This is about three feet
high that we measured. It's
[1:32:12]
high that we measured. It's
probably even lower because,
[1:32:13]
probably even lower because,
you know, we couldn't get, you
[1:32:14]
you know, we couldn't get, you
know, low enough. But that's
[1:32:16]
know, low enough. But that's
you know, the water was up high
[1:32:17]
you know, the water was up high
and nothing's coming through
[1:32:19]
and nothing's coming through
it. So I just want to kind of
[1:32:20]
it. So I just want to kind of
like wonder, are we doing
[1:32:21]
like wonder, are we doing
anything about it? I think that
[1:32:23]
anything about it? I think that
there's special permits that we
[1:32:24]
there's special permits that we
can get from the state to work
[1:32:27]
can get from the state to work
on this to, you know, maybe not
[1:32:29]
on this to, you know, maybe not
eliminate, uh, you know, the
[1:32:30]
eliminate, uh, you know, the
whole beaver dam, but portions
[1:32:32]
whole beaver dam, but portions
of it that the water can flow.
[1:32:33]
of it that the water can flow.
Okay.
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Okay.
Thank you, thank you.
[1:32:35]
Thank you, thank you.
Appreciate your time.
[1:32:36]
Appreciate your time.
Yeah. Bob, do you want to speak
[1:32:38]
Yeah. Bob, do you want to speak
to that or do you want to just
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to that or do you want to just
get back to him after you
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get back to him after you
research it? You know, there's
[1:32:42]
research it? You know, there's
no pressure. If you want to
[1:32:43]
no pressure. If you want to
take time to research it,
[1:32:44]
take time to research it,
that's fine.
[1:32:45]
that's fine.
It's up to you. If you want me
[1:32:46]
It's up to you. If you want me
to get up and respond.
[1:32:47]
to get up and respond.
If you have a if you have
[1:32:48]
If you have a if you have
response and you're ready for
[1:32:49]
response and you're ready for
it, go ahead. Yeah. And then
[1:32:54]
it, go ahead. Yeah. And then
we're going to move on.
[1:32:56]
we're going to move on.
To my question.
[1:32:57]
To my question.
Right. I'll let you have a
[1:32:58]
Right. I'll let you have a
question. Yep.
[1:33:02]
question. Yep.
Well beaver dams are pretty
[1:33:03]
Well beaver dams are pretty
well protected. And as as al
[1:33:06]
well protected. And as as al
mentioned you have to have a
[1:33:07]
mentioned you have to have a
permit for them. Typically when
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permit for them. Typically when
we've gotten permits in the
[1:33:10]
we've gotten permits in the
past for other various reasons,
[1:33:13]
past for other various reasons,
they'll let us remove section
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they'll let us remove section
typically four feet wide by a
[1:33:17]
typically four feet wide by a
foot deep. And then, you know,
[1:33:20]
foot deep. And then, you know,
the next day the beavers have
[1:33:21]
the next day the beavers have
it all built back up. But if
[1:33:23]
it all built back up. But if
that's something the council
[1:33:25]
that's something the council
and the mayor want us to look
[1:33:26]
and the mayor want us to look
into, we can certainly look
[1:33:27]
into, we can certainly look
into that and call mass
[1:33:28]
into that and call mass
wildlife and work with Rob
[1:33:30]
wildlife and work with Rob
Moore to see if we can, uh,
[1:33:32]
Moore to see if we can, uh,
pull down some beaver dams.
[1:33:34]
pull down some beaver dams.
From your experience, have you
[1:33:35]
From your experience, have you
done it in the past? And has it
[1:33:36]
done it in the past? And has it
made any real difference?
[1:33:38]
made any real difference?
It's not going to make a real
[1:33:40]
It's not going to make a real
difference as far as quantity
[1:33:41]
difference as far as quantity
or volume of water. Okay. No.
[1:33:44]
or volume of water. Okay. No.
All right. Thank you. Sir. If
[1:33:46]
All right. Thank you. Sir. If
you want to come on up and ask
[1:33:47]
you want to come on up and ask
your question, just. Yep. Keep
[1:33:49]
your question, just. Yep. Keep
it at two minutes and.
[1:33:51]
it at two minutes and.
Michael Jacobs. name is very.
[1:33:53]
Michael Jacobs. name is very.
Rude.
[1:33:54]
Rude.
And just on that real.
[1:33:55]
And just on that real.
Quick note, um.
[1:33:56]
Quick note, um.
Even whether it's a big
[1:33:57]
Even whether it's a big
difference, every little bit
[1:33:59]
difference, every little bit
helps, right?
[1:34:00]
helps, right?
I guess we're trying to do
[1:34:01]
I guess we're trying to do
because he said earlier.
[1:34:02]
because he said earlier.
Nothing's coming out.
[1:34:03]
Nothing's coming out.
Of.
[1:34:03]
Of.
Millville because just so if
[1:34:05]
Millville because just so if
what this gentleman saying
[1:34:07]
what this gentleman saying
every little bit helps.
[1:34:09]
every little bit helps.
Right?
[1:34:09]
Right?
That's your question.
[1:34:09]
That's your question.
What is that? No, no, I'm just
[1:34:11]
What is that? No, no, I'm just
making that statement too,
[1:34:12]
making that statement too,
though, because if.
[1:34:12]
though, because if.
We're watching how.
[1:34:13]
We're watching how.
A washing our hands every
[1:34:15]
A washing our hands every
little bit helps. Yeah. Okay.
[1:34:17]
little bit helps. Yeah. Okay.
So real.
[1:34:19]
So real.
Quick, um. The first thing is,
[1:34:22]
Quick, um. The first thing is,
uh, what are we doing? Because
[1:34:24]
uh, what are we doing? Because
I know on September 15th, we
[1:34:25]
I know on September 15th, we
had mentioned we were going to
[1:34:27]
had mentioned we were going to
heat the two of them. The mayor
[1:34:29]
heat the two of them. The mayor
and Bob didn't have an issue
[1:34:30]
and Bob didn't have an issue
with getting a second pair of
[1:34:31]
with getting a second pair of
eyes to start to look at
[1:34:32]
eyes to start to look at
things. He was just. Maybe they
[1:34:34]
things. He was just. Maybe they
were overseeing something. Just
[1:34:35]
were overseeing something. Just
wanted to bring that back up to
[1:34:36]
wanted to bring that back up to
the forefront. Okay. And then
[1:34:40]
the forefront. Okay. And then
also, uh, I read a news story
[1:34:43]
also, uh, I read a news story
somewhere and anybody here that
[1:34:45]
somewhere and anybody here that
can help me, uh, and New and
[1:34:46]
can help me, uh, and New and
New Hampshire, I think they
[1:34:48]
New Hampshire, I think they
have, uh, water that they're
[1:34:49]
have, uh, water that they're
going to be dumping. Has
[1:34:50]
going to be dumping. Has
anybody heard of this? And I
[1:34:51]
anybody heard of this? And I
just wondered if I just wanted
[1:34:52]
just wondered if I just wanted
to bring to someone's attention
[1:34:53]
to bring to someone's attention
if they if these guys haven't
[1:34:55]
if they if these guys haven't
heard of it, because maybe we
[1:34:55]
heard of it, because maybe we
can buy some of those gallons.
[1:34:58]
can buy some of those gallons.
Okay. Um, I don't know if
[1:35:00]
Okay. Um, I don't know if
anybody else heard that. Seen
[1:35:00]
anybody else heard that. Seen
that story, then, uh, the other
[1:35:03]
that story, then, uh, the other
thing I'd like to say is with
[1:35:06]
thing I'd like to say is with
the I think we've had two rate
[1:35:08]
the I think we've had two rate
increases, water rate
[1:35:09]
increases, water rate
increases, um, under her
[1:35:11]
increases, um, under her
administration. So hoping that
[1:35:14]
administration. So hoping that
in two years or so. Right, all
[1:35:15]
in two years or so. Right, all
this stuff that we're working
[1:35:17]
this stuff that we're working
on gets us back in a better
[1:35:19]
on gets us back in a better
space. Would we stop to think
[1:35:21]
space. Would we stop to think
and say, okay, maybe we don't
[1:35:22]
and say, okay, maybe we don't
need the rate increases, right?
[1:35:24]
need the rate increases, right?
When we go backwards on a rate
[1:35:25]
When we go backwards on a rate
increase, if we get ourselves
[1:35:26]
increase, if we get ourselves
to where we need to be. So I
[1:35:28]
to where we need to be. So I
just like to get these things
[1:35:29]
just like to get these things
on record and get our minds
[1:35:30]
on record and get our minds
flowing that way. Um, and then
[1:35:33]
flowing that way. Um, and then
I'll just say real quick as
[1:35:34]
I'll just say real quick as
well, not that I'm somebody had
[1:35:36]
well, not that I'm somebody had
an issue last time about people
[1:35:38]
an issue last time about people
reading faces and all that kind
[1:35:40]
reading faces and all that kind
of stuff. 90% of our
[1:35:41]
of stuff. 90% of our
communication is body language,
[1:35:42]
communication is body language,
so let's keep that in mind. So
[1:35:44]
so let's keep that in mind. So
that's why people get that. Uh,
[1:35:47]
that's why people get that. Uh,
anyways, uh, what was my next
[1:35:49]
anyways, uh, what was my next
one was, um. The rate
[1:35:54]
one was, um. The rate
increases.
[1:35:55]
increases.
Again.
[1:35:57]
Again.
That's I think that's pretty
[1:35:59]
That's I think that's pretty
much it. Yeah. Thank you.
[1:36:00]
much it. Yeah. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
[1:36:02]
Thank you very much.
But do you understand what I'm
[1:36:03]
But do you understand what I'm
trying to say is I want us to
[1:36:05]
trying to say is I want us to
start. I'll come here and I'll
[1:36:06]
start. I'll come here and I'll
bring up questions that I feel
[1:36:07]
bring up questions that I feel
you guys are maybe looking at.
[1:36:08]
you guys are maybe looking at.
And then that'll get the wheels
[1:36:09]
And then that'll get the wheels
turning right. Sure. Because
[1:36:11]
turning right. Sure. Because
that was my main issue last
[1:36:12]
that was my main issue last
time. We've got to change
[1:36:13]
time. We've got to change
attitudes and things like that.
[1:36:14]
attitudes and things like that.
So that's all. So I hope you'll
[1:36:15]
So that's all. So I hope you'll
take these things serious that
[1:36:16]
take these things serious that
I'm bringing up.
[1:36:17]
I'm bringing up.
Yeah, but we heard you. I think
[1:36:19]
Yeah, but we heard you. I think
everybody here at you, I know I
[1:36:20]
everybody here at you, I know I
did..
[1:36:20]
did..
Has anybody else heard the
[1:36:22]
Has anybody else heard the
story about Newton?
[1:36:23]
story about Newton?
I had. not one.
[1:36:24]
I had. not one.
But.
[1:36:24]
But.
What? It's your business. Have
[1:36:25]
What? It's your business. Have
you heard that, sir?
[1:36:27]
you heard that, sir?
That's your time. He can speak
[1:36:28]
That's your time. He can speak
to it later or get back to you.
[1:36:29]
to it later or get back to you.
Thank you, thank you. Yes,
[1:36:31]
Thank you, thank you. Yes,
madam. Clerk. Next item.
[1:36:34]
madam. Clerk. Next item.
Mayor Barrett, request to
[1:36:35]
Mayor Barrett, request to
present a proclamation
[1:36:36]
present a proclamation
recognizing October 15th, 2026
[1:36:39]
recognizing October 15th, 2026
as White Cane Awareness Day in
[1:36:41]
as White Cane Awareness Day in
the city of Haverhill.
[1:36:42]
the city of Haverhill.
Councilor page, you're going to
[1:36:43]
Councilor page, you're going to
read the proclamation.
[1:36:45]
read the proclamation.
Thank you, Mr. President.
[1:36:47]
Thank you, Mr. President.
Proclamation. Whereas the white
[1:36:49]
Proclamation. Whereas the white
cane, which every blind citizen
[1:36:51]
cane, which every blind citizen
of Haverhill in the
[1:36:52]
of Haverhill in the
Commonwealth has the right to
[1:36:53]
Commonwealth has the right to
carry, demonstrates and
[1:36:54]
carry, demonstrates and
symbolizes the ability to
[1:36:56]
symbolizes the ability to
achieve a full and independent
[1:36:57]
achieve a full and independent
life and the capacity to work
[1:36:59]
life and the capacity to work
productively in competitive
[1:37:00]
productively in competitive
employment. And whereas the
[1:37:02]
employment. And whereas the
white cane allows every blind
[1:37:04]
white cane allows every blind
person to move freely and
[1:37:05]
person to move freely and
safely from place to place,
[1:37:06]
safely from place to place,
making it possible for the
[1:37:08]
making it possible for the
blind to fully participate and
[1:37:10]
blind to fully participate and
contribute to our society and
[1:37:11]
contribute to our society and
to live the lives they want.
[1:37:12]
to live the lives they want.
And whereas every citizen
[1:37:15]
And whereas every citizen
should be aware that the law
[1:37:16]
should be aware that the law
requires that motorists and
[1:37:17]
requires that motorists and
cyclists exercise appropriate
[1:37:19]
cyclists exercise appropriate
caution when approaching a
[1:37:20]
caution when approaching a
blind person carrying a white
[1:37:22]
blind person carrying a white
cane, and whereas Massachusetts
[1:37:24]
cane, and whereas Massachusetts
law also calls upon employers,
[1:37:26]
law also calls upon employers,
both public and private, to be
[1:37:28]
both public and private, to be
aware of and utilize the
[1:37:29]
aware of and utilize the
employment skills of our blind
[1:37:30]
employment skills of our blind
citizens by recognizing their
[1:37:32]
citizens by recognizing their
worth as individuals and their
[1:37:33]
worth as individuals and their
productive capacities. And now,
[1:37:35]
productive capacities. And now,
therefore, I, Melinda E
[1:37:37]
therefore, I, Melinda E
Barrett, mayor of the City of
[1:37:38]
Barrett, mayor of the City of
Haverhill, do hereby proclaim
[1:37:39]
Haverhill, do hereby proclaim
October 15th, 2026 as White
[1:37:42]
October 15th, 2026 as White
Cane Awareness Day. I call upon
[1:37:44]
Cane Awareness Day. I call upon
our schools, colleges and
[1:37:45]
our schools, colleges and
universities to offer
[1:37:46]
universities to offer
opportunities for learning and
[1:37:48]
opportunities for learning and
training to blind persons upon
[1:37:50]
training to blind persons upon
employees in the public, to
[1:37:51]
employees in the public, to
utilize the available skills of
[1:37:53]
utilize the available skills of
competent blind persons, and to
[1:37:55]
competent blind persons, and to
be open to offering new
[1:37:56]
be open to offering new
opportunities to the blind and
[1:37:58]
opportunities to the blind and
our rapidly changing society,
[1:38:00]
our rapidly changing society,
and upon all citizens. To
[1:38:02]
and upon all citizens. To
recognize the white cane as a
[1:38:03]
recognize the white cane as a
tool of independence from blind
[1:38:04]
tool of independence from blind
pedestrians on our streets and
[1:38:06]
pedestrians on our streets and
highways. And witness whereof I
[1:38:08]
highways. And witness whereof I
have here on to set my hand and
[1:38:10]
have here on to set my hand and
caused the seal the city of
[1:38:11]
caused the seal the city of
Haverhill to be affixed. The
[1:38:12]
Haverhill to be affixed. The
sixth day of October, in the
[1:38:14]
sixth day of October, in the
year of our Lord, 2026. Mayor
[1:38:17]
year of our Lord, 2026. Mayor
Melinda Barrett. I make a
[1:38:19]
Melinda Barrett. I make a
motion to put places on file.
[1:38:22]
motion to put places on file.
Second Motion Counselor page
[1:38:24]
Second Motion Counselor page
second from councilor
[1:38:25]
second from councilor
McGonagle. All in favor?
[1:38:26]
McGonagle. All in favor?
Aye, aye.
[1:38:27]
Aye, aye.
That's accepted and placed on
[1:38:28]
That's accepted and placed on
file. Thank you, councillor
[1:38:29]
file. Thank you, councillor
LePage. Madam clerk, next item.
[1:38:31]
LePage. Madam clerk, next item.
Vice President Richardson
[1:38:33]
Vice President Richardson
wishes to announce a Planning
[1:38:34]
wishes to announce a Planning
and Development Committee
[1:38:35]
and Development Committee
meeting on Monday, October
[1:38:37]
meeting on Monday, October
19th, 2026 at 6 p.m. in room
[1:38:39]
19th, 2026 at 6 p.m. in room
202. The City Council Chambers.
[1:38:41]
202. The City Council Chambers.
Vice President Richardson.
[1:38:42]
Vice President Richardson.
Thank you very much. Uh, this
[1:38:44]
Thank you very much. Uh, this
meeting follows two major
[1:38:47]
meeting follows two major
challenges facing Haverhill the
[1:38:49]
challenges facing Haverhill the
waste water infrastructure
[1:38:51]
waste water infrastructure
failure. Um, this summer, um,
[1:38:54]
failure. Um, this summer, um,
as well as our current drought.
[1:38:58]
as well as our current drought.
Um, and working with the
[1:39:01]
Um, and working with the
mayor's administration and
[1:39:03]
mayor's administration and
appropriate departments will
[1:39:05]
appropriate departments will
begin a risk based assessment
[1:39:08]
begin a risk based assessment
of the city's critical
[1:39:10]
of the city's critical
infrastructure, starting with
[1:39:12]
infrastructure, starting with
wastewater and drinking water.
[1:39:14]
wastewater and drinking water.
Citizen input will be an
[1:39:16]
Citizen input will be an
important part of this effort.
[1:39:18]
important part of this effort.
Residents often see problems
[1:39:20]
Residents often see problems
and impacts firsthand, and
[1:39:22]
and impacts firsthand, and
their experience can help us
[1:39:24]
their experience can help us
identify risks, priorities, and
[1:39:26]
identify risks, priorities, and
concerns. A first meeting will
[1:39:29]
concerns. A first meeting will
focus on defining the scope,
[1:39:31]
focus on defining the scope,
expected outcomes, and
[1:39:33]
expected outcomes, and
organization of the study, with
[1:39:35]
organization of the study, with
the goal of identifying our
[1:39:38]
the goal of identifying our
highest risks and reducing them
[1:39:40]
highest risks and reducing them
before another crisis occurs.
[1:39:43]
before another crisis occurs.
Thank you, Mr. President.
[1:39:44]
Thank you, Mr. President.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[1:39:47]
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
And do we have any other
[1:39:50]
And do we have any other
announcements, reports?
[1:39:52]
announcements, reports?
Move. We adjourn.
[1:39:53]
Move. We adjourn.
Second motion from Councillor
[1:39:55]
Second motion from Councillor
Sullivan to adjourn. Second
[1:39:56]
Sullivan to adjourn. Second
from Councilor Diodati. All in
[1:39:58]
from Councilor Diodati. All in
favor?
[1:39:58]
favor?
Aye, aye.