[0:00] This conference will now be recorded.

[0:04] In terms of these big meetings, they forget the rules.

[0:11] Good take a long time.

[0:16] Come on.

[0:16] Hi, non-opt, we just get up to the walkout.

[0:23] Who's my baby?

[0:27] Starts with.

[0:29] Because I'm some two else.

[0:32] I'm full.

[0:34] He's royalty.

[0:40] You got better eyes than I think because I can't see him.

[0:57] Okay, let's go ahead and get started, like to welcome everybody to our planning meeting tonight.

[1:01] It's like we got a few folks in the house, like welcome you here.

[1:06] My name is Dennis Guy.

[1:06] I'm the chairman of the planning commission to my left.

[1:09] I have Derek Saganski and Greg Royale and to my right here.

[1:13] I have Robert Wilson.

[1:15] Thank you.

[1:15] I know who you are, but when I hear my voice over that microphone, I go weird.

[1:19] Bill Jordan and Tori broken. Yes. Thank you, Kerry. Appreciate you guys.

[1:27] I'm like a welcome our staff. Thank you for all of hard work you put into this tonight.

[1:31] First item of business, be the pledge of allegiance to have somebody.

[1:35] Nice to Jordan. Would you like to do that? If everyone would join us, pledge of allegiance.

[1:55] Thank you everyone.

[1:58] This time we have opening for prayer or a thought.

[2:01] Does anyone have anything I'd like to offer at this time?

[2:08] So I will offer just a little brief thought.

[2:11] I'm not going to do it in a major summary.

[2:13] Just thought about how our government works,

[2:18] I guess, and the purpose for our planning meetings, why it's so important to have public hearings,

[2:24] as this body represents the people of the Hebrew city.

[2:29] And as we try to help manage the growth wave,

[2:33] that's been coming our way for quite some time now,

[2:36] it's very important for us to hear from the folks,

[2:39] not only represent the folks who are here and comment and deliver information,

[2:44] but also the silence as well.

[2:46] So we appreciate you taking time out of your evening tonight coming here and offering your council to us so we can make good decisions.

[2:55] That's our goal here.

[2:57] We're just reminding the council to commission in that that we're here for not our own personal purposes for the purpose of the community and for the city.

[3:06] With that, I will also ask if there's anyone who needs to recuse himself or conflict of interest.

[3:13] Okay. We have none at this time on this meeting. Good. All right. We'll move on to our

[3:18] consent agenda, which is item number one in our excuse me. Item number two, section number

[3:24] one in the consent agenda. The minutes for October 22nd, 2024 meeting. Mr. Chair, move

[3:31] to approve. Yeah, I have a motion on the table to approve. We'll have a second.

[3:35] I'll second. Yeah, but motion and a second is there any discussion this time go now. Here

[3:41] no discussion. I'll go ahead and call for vote. All those in favor say aye. Are there any opposed?

[3:47] Hearing done and the motion carries unanimously. Thank you, everyone. Okay, so move on to item number

[3:53] three section number three, which is our action items for the evening. And we do have a couple of

[4:02] items here. I think the majority of folks are here for and I think we'll probably have quite a bit of

[4:05] the comment I'm hoping anyway. And so I'm going to juggle as is the right of the chairman

[4:10] to shuffle a schedule a little bit. So I'll move on to item number two in our action items,

[4:16] which would be consider recommendation for the Wellberg Kruger annexation located at 3725

[4:22] Lake Creek Road, parcel number 07-8563. Mr. Baron, I believe this one is yours.

[4:30] Chairman, the addition is not here yet. I believe they believe they'd be on later. So let's move to item number three.

[4:36] That's item number three. I got folks here ready for that one. Okay.

[4:42] Go ahead and move on then. We'll move to item number three in our action items to be consider a preliminary subdivision approval for saw mill phase seven located at 1790 south mill road.

[4:53] Ms. Roberts this would be yours.

[5:03] I'm going to go through this really quickly. I am going to lean on Jamie a little bit for the history and a little bit of the background on this one as I wasn't hearing a lot about it, but this is the Somel phase 7 subdivision. It's in this Somel plant community on the east side, just north of the forest service property.

[5:26] It includes 22 lots for single family dwellings, subdivision is covered by the planned community mixed use code, which is grandfathered under that code and is designated neighborhoods with open space by the general plan.

[5:40] And the subdivision is expected to be completed in one phase.

[5:44] Let's see.

[5:46] Toilet subdivision includes total of 5.34 acres and contains 22 lots.

[5:52] Toilet includes 0.64 acres of open space.

[5:55] It would also include a stub for 1790 south,

[5:58] which is intended to connect with Hayden Creek Lane to the east

[6:01] through property owned by the U.S. Full of Service Adelator date.

[6:05] All units built in this development will be single family dwellings,

[6:07] scale, massing and design of which will be dictated by the PCMU code.

[6:16] Okay, this is both subdivision by the constraints found in the code, such as lot frontage,

[6:22] lot size, street cross sections.

[6:24] That is something that we want to discuss a little bit of a discrepancy between the neighborhood

[6:30] to the north and the required street cross sections for this subdivision as a part of the

[6:38] Subdivision of the Sondyl Master Plan.

[6:42] This application, the Subdivision,

[6:44] does abide by the general plan and also the code

[6:48] that it is underneath the general plan.

[6:50] Designates it as single-family dwellings.

[6:53] Density ranging between 3 to 20 units per acre.

[6:56] The Subdivision is planned for single-family dwellings

[6:58] with a density of around 4 units per acre.

[7:01] Peek characteristics of the neighbors of open space.

[7:04] small lot clusters, town homes, open space achieved through clustering, generally located adjacent

[7:09] to centers. The proposed subdivision is compliant with general plan. So in conclusion, staff would

[7:16] recommend approval of this subdivision based on the findings of the subdivision, the bides

[7:22] with the general plan designation, as well as the PCMU code. With all conditions of the city engineer

[7:29] being met. And now I think is where we want to, I don't know if part of my word or Ross,

[7:35] if we want to talk about the street cross sections.

[8:20] On the engineering, I believe they just need to address that as an important process. It's not

[8:26] something totally confusing up our review or holding up our crew. Who believe that is

[8:31] I don't want to need to be trusted, can't be trusted, so I'm going to put it all in a little

[8:35] time.

[8:39] Okay.

[8:39] Any other comments you just find?

[8:42] Well, Steve has anything to do with you.

[8:44] I was going to speak to a little bit, is if we go back to the phase 7 in the master plan and

[8:52] the development agreement, that 1790 South, originally, there was in that initial master

[8:58] find concept came out all the way to Mill Road.

[9:02] But in the agreement, there was a discussion

[9:04] of whether that needed to be aligned with Hidden Creek Lane

[9:06] or just come out when the plan was originally

[9:10] approved, the neighbors on the east side were very concerned

[9:13] about the current location, not currently,

[9:16] originally proposed location due to the fact

[9:19] that it was going to be, or I don't know if she still does.

[9:23] It's like a year.

[9:24] of somebody online, can they mute?

[9:27] Thank you.

[9:29] Their concern was where that traffic and how

[9:32] it interface with their driveways and properties.

[9:37] And at the time, the planning and engineering

[9:39] and we looked at all the transportation plan,

[9:43] we did feel that it would be best if we could

[9:45] to try to match that up with hidden quick lanes

[9:47] when we have offset roads as well as issues with the names.

[9:53] At the time, there was a thought that potentially in the future in the county that hidden

[9:58] creek lane may extend. I don't think that's necessarily something that we're going to

[10:02] see in the future, but that's really county stuff we don't want to get too much into. But in

[10:08] this process, as we've talked to the applicant in the engineers, we wanted to preserve that ability

[10:14] to line that up with hidden creek lane. So that's why you're seeing 190 curved down towards the

[10:19] the Forest Service property and hopes that we as we're talking to the Forest Service that we can

[10:25] get that road to line up with him quickly to make sure that we've got east-west connections

[10:30] that are at least lining up together or having intersections line up instead of offset. So that's

[10:36] that's where between planning and engineering and the applicant we've agreed to to this potential

[10:41] or this layout right here to preserve that feasibility in the future.

[10:48] Okay, thank you, Mr. Baron.

[10:50] I was our applicant here tonight.

[10:51] I would like to address the planning commission.

[10:58] Mr. Ball, thank you.

[11:01] Chairman, thank you, Mr. Miller.

[11:02] Excuse me.

[11:05] Now, we've gone through the application.

[11:09] I'll maybe touch base a little bit at once.

[11:12] Right away.

[11:13] Just as a point of history, PCMU as part of the master plan

[11:17] have different road bus sections that were accustomed and non-standard to anything else

[11:23] I've never had.

[11:24] And I was proof that way is a function of the overall hospital.

[11:29] One of the issues that we're dealing with this one is that everything to the north of

[11:33] this which we're going to face six of the Brookside subdivision kind of the University of

[11:40] San Francisco right away.

[11:43] Everything inside of Song No was a group of people.

[11:50] It has a function of that.

[11:52] Again, these have been laid out.

[11:54] And the 58, much right into the 60,

[11:56] with the taper,

[12:00] it doesn't be soft

[12:00] for engineering was to make this 60

[12:03] can match everything with the group.

[12:06] One of our biggest concerns to begin with that

[12:08] was to say, okay, well, we are sitting right now

[12:11] at minimum loss sizes.

[12:12] And does that additional right away?

[12:14] all the Center Center are so those lots smaller than the minimums allowed by that BCN

[12:21] view. As we analyzed that, the answer was no, they don't. They don't

[12:51] think anything

[12:52] in engineering, of course, Jane brought the issue with the Roman land in a really

[12:57] way that if anybody would, they will be that way.

[13:02] This remote coming up with some of the old

[13:06] I was really glad to come up and come up right through the middle of this with lots on both sides, very symmetrical, easy to connect to you.

[13:13] But again, neighbors on the east side, we're very concerned about headlight speech.

[13:20] And so I think this is a great compromise to figure out a good way to get future roads to light up.

[13:34] But in general, why it's going to be totally nice, we're good at it.

[13:39] Right,

[13:43] okay.

[13:43] And then you, for instance, comments, you're okay with that.

[13:47] Yeah, it's taking you a right way. We have a problem with that.

[13:55] Okay.

[13:55] In our analysis, it didn't.

[13:57] It didn't rain during this last one.

[14:01] Okay, perfect. Thank you.

[14:03] Anything else you'd like to?

[14:04] This is other questions for me.

[14:08] Okay, Mr. Hanson, go ahead.

[14:24] Perfect.

[14:24] Okay.

[14:29] Yeah.

[14:33] Perfect.

[14:34] Thank you.

[14:34] Appreciate you being willing to work with the city and all the various issues that come in with these things.

[14:40] Um, okay. With that, I'll go ahead and turn the time over to the planning commission. Now if you have any questions or concerns or

[14:47] Anything regarding this development go down.

[14:55] Okay. Well if I hear none then I'll go ahead. I would in their cameo. This is time.

[14:59] This is an act.

[15:00] Can item, so you can move to approve or move to deny or continue, if you feel like you need more information.

[15:13] Excuse me, I could see you.

[15:15] Join your fingernails.

[15:26] I make a motion to accept.

[15:29] Somel phase 7 as covered in the staff report.

[15:35] Do I need to put the exception of the 60?

[15:39] I think it's as far as we can request that

[15:47] the rain down there.

[15:50] I would just say that just mentioned that it'd be worked.

[15:53] That worked out.

[15:53] I thought something I'm not really worried about because it is already an engineering comment.

[15:58] Yeah, I think it's just to say to come to an agreement on that.

[16:14] Yeah.

[16:15] Well, the issue we, well, the issue that this brought up is that we have a code that says 58.

[16:22] And then we have a request for it.

[16:24] So that's something we need to work through internally,

[16:26] maybe that's not a big deal, but I would just leave it as it gets worked out. So I think we'll

[16:33] probably land on that 60, but that's what we need to work through that.

[16:37] I'll make a motion to approve the Sommil Phase 7.

[16:43] Platt's working through the road with issues as described. Does that work?

[16:49] Thank you. I have a motion on the table. I have a second. And second at the time, any other

[16:53] discussion in the motion. Go now. Okay, hearing none. I would go ahead and call for vote on the motion. All those in favor say aye. Hi, are any opposed.

[17:04] Okay, hearing none. The motion carries unanimous. Okay. Good luck.

[17:07] Good project. Thank you.

[17:10] All right.

[17:13] Moving on to our applicants here for.

[17:19] Okay. We'll just move on. Okay. We'll move on to action item number one in our.

[17:24] In our action items which the public hearing for proposed amendment, to the annexation policy plan, that would be Mr.

[17:32] Colour.

[17:33] So we'll go ahead and turn the time over to you, Mr. Colour. It's time is now yours. He's incoming.

[17:38] Oh, okay.

[17:53] Good evening.

[17:54] Good evening.

[17:55] Good evening.

[17:56] Good evening.

[18:07] Good evening.

[18:07] This sets forth the regulations and the parameters by which local government, including

[18:13] Heber City and Los Angeles County, can operate, as far as zoning laws and annexation.

[18:20] Around 2006, the state adopted a requirement that any city doing an annexation has to have

[18:27] an annexation policy plan, designating the area they are willing and able to annex.

[18:34] The city has adopted that plan and amended it a few times, in fact, the city amended it this year.

[18:42] The properties under question 4,000 acres that are in question are currently not within the city's annexation policy plan.

[18:51] In order for the city to even negotiate or visit with the developer about changing densities

[18:59] or doing particular architectures or mitigating any densities,

[19:04] he or city will need to amend the annexation policy plan.

[19:10] This is not, and the same is an annexation.

[19:13] All it is is saying that the city is able to consider an annexation.

[19:18] An annexation process is entirely separate and takes over a year.

[19:25] If the city ultimately does amend an annexation policy plan,

[19:30] the city can still say no to an annexation.

[19:34] It's a legislative process.

[19:36] It's negotiation and the city is able to negotiate through that process.

[19:43] I'll show up on the screen, you can see in the purple, so I think you can, are my sharing

[19:53] the screen, okay, okay, so I'll find the screen, you can see the purple represents

[19:59] the current city boundaries,

[20:03] the blue color represents the expansion area, so a big part

[20:09] the hill is right here. That's is the Jordanell Ridge development. The north village is right

[20:15] down here. You can see the city's considering an annexation over here in the north village.

[20:23] Benlock Ranch is in this blue area. It's currently proceeding in the unincorporated county and

[20:30] is chosen not the annex. The properties we're talking about tonight are shown in green. It's the

[20:39] I would say at all there's two or three other minor properties, west, Jacobson, and I apologize, I'm, oh, come, it's all right. Yeah, thank you.

[20:53] So we can certainly zoom in a little closer if you want to later.

[20:58] The state code prescribes a process for

[21:01] amending the annexation policy plan.

[21:04] And this is a public hearing.

[21:06] It is the second step in amending the plan.

[21:10] The first step is to, for the city planning commission

[21:12] to meet with the county and talk about their concerns,

[21:17] which we did.

[21:18] The city has a letter from the county.

[21:20] We did that last month.

[21:22] The second step is a public hearing with the planning commission.

[21:25] And we specifically reach out to all the affected entities, including the county, the sewer

[21:31] district, the water district, to get their input on the city potentially mending this map.

[21:40] The third step is the city council holding a public hearing and doing the same thing that you

[21:46] are tonight. As a planning commission, your role tonight is recommending body, you are not the final

[21:52] decision maker. As you hold public hearings, best practice, I would recommend that you hold

[22:01] the public hearing tonight, not make a decision and take the next couple of weeks to

[22:08] all over what you hear tonight and come back ready to talk about what you hear tonight in a

[22:15] couple of weeks. You'll make a better decision if you have a couple of weeks to think it over.

[22:20] So again, our recommendation is close of public hearing tonight.

[22:24] Don't make a decision.

[22:26] That's how we've managed for quite a while,

[22:30] actually, the larger decisions we make.

[22:33] So we're talking about this green area again.

[22:36] That's the key critical part that is being talked about tonight.

[22:42] And that's all I have for my presentation, Chairman.

[22:45] OK, thank you.

[22:47] Um, sorry, applicant here would like to approach me.

[22:51] Offer a few words of livin.

[22:58] Tony,

[23:04] test test.

[23:08] Can you guys

[23:11] hear this? Okay.

[23:13] Great.

[23:15] I'm Greg Whitehead from Final Development.

[23:21] And I'm as one second.

[23:22] Can everybody hear them okay in the back?

[23:25] No. Okay.

[23:43] Some of the folks may be approaching five.

[23:44] Did you may have to crank it up a little.

[23:46] I will speak loudly. Is that better for me? Is that better?

[23:57] Okay. Well, we're happy to be here.

[24:01] Is this good? I'm going to do a couple of test lines.

[24:05] No, you're good. I just want to make sure everybody's able to hear well.

[24:07] Great. Great.

[24:09] Well, thanks for having us. We're happy to be here and to go through the process.

[24:14] We welcome the process and we are firm believers that we think that the project

[24:21] in the community comes out better on the other side of this process so we welcome we welcome this.

[24:29] So we've been here before and we've kind of spoken pretty generally about the projects and so

[24:35] I think right now I'm I would welcome any discussion that there might be with with the council

[24:43] and we'll obviously go over some information right now but at any point if you have questions or anything

[24:47] I would welcome that. I'm much rather, I much prefer the two-way communication than the one-way, but

[24:55] so we have presented, we have shown a lot of the project and I don't know if we necessarily need to

[25:01] rehash a lot of the, some of the details that we've gone over before. I'm happy to do that.

[25:07] However, as Tony was discussing, you know, this is an amendment to the policy and we are anxious

[25:17] to get into the details of this project and I think we're really close to doing that but I think that is

[25:23] primarily reserved for the when we are discussing annexation as opposed to just the policy change.

[25:31] So now having said that, we've obviously met with, we were there, I did a lot of talking,

[25:40] but the county and the city got together and we've discussed that length, a number of details and

[25:45] And there's some obvious concerns that people are having and I think it's probably appropriate

[25:51] to go over a few of those items tonight and at least start forming the basis of what

[25:58] could be and how we can resolve some of those.

[26:01] I think if there was a takeaway for today, it is that this project can be discussed and that

[26:14] There can be a way that makes, there is a win-win, right?

[26:19] So I think what we want to walk away from today is, is can the project move forward and is there,

[26:25] is there a happy medium that everybody can live with and overall a net positive to the community?

[26:32] That is what we want.

[26:33] So let's just start. I'm going to go over a few things here.

[26:42] What we want to achieve at the Wasatch Highlands development,

[26:47] which is generally what we're calling it.

[26:49] This is how premature it feels. We don't officially know the name,

[26:52] but Wasatch Highlands will call it that.

[26:57] We want to have an area of the heat, so we love the Wasatch back, we love the Hebrew Valley.

[27:05] My uncle and aunt have lived in Midway. I live in St. George full time, but my uncle and aunt are here.

[27:14] They've been here a long time. John and Beverly Prince are my uncle and aunt. He's been the dentist here.

[27:20] And I've got roots here and I love it here.

[27:24] I think this value is special and growing up in Southern Utah. I always thought Southern Utah was very special

[27:31] and it's grown, right? And it's grown rapidly and there's certainly aspects of my childhood

[27:40] that my kids aren't getting with that really small town. I mean, I grew, I just played in the

[27:45] alpha field across the street. You know, and I got teased a lot with, you know, not wearing enough

[27:51] clothes while playing in the fields, you know, I kind of think. So everybody knew me and

[27:55] everybody knew everybody and I love I love that feel. I also so I understand I understand

[28:03] the there is positive as a negative to growth. I don't think that I could have controlled

[28:10] or made St. George not grow. But I love St. George now. I love it now and I look

[28:17] I see Hebrew Valley and these communities,

[28:23] and I see parallels to what I grew up with in St. George.

[28:27] And so I love it up here. I want to keep it special.

[28:31] Ultimately what I'm trying to say is, yes, this is a development that is growth.

[28:37] It does signal growth. However, my intent, our intent, is to keep this as tasteful and as community oriented as possible.

[28:46] And so, that's why we've incorporated things like large amounts of open space dedicated open to the public, not behind gates.

[28:58] We want to have lots of trails.

[29:00] I've grown up having bike trails and walking trails and mountain biking trails all around me and I love it.

[29:07] I actually took it for granted. I assumed every community had it. They don't.

[29:11] And so I mean, I want that for everybody.

[29:16] We want to preserve and have wildlife trails and areas

[29:22] where people can walk around and see elk and see wild turkeys.

[29:29] And all the things that you would want to see

[29:32] and experience in the Hebrew Valley.

[29:34] Right? So, right now, we have just under, we'll call it, 4,500 acres. It's preserved for a handful

[29:45] of families. We want to preserve the land for the community. We really do. And I think in our internal

[29:54] planning which changes you know we we we have taken an approach that says

[30:01] Given the topography, given the vegetation, given the wildlife trails,

[30:08] the slope analysis,

[30:11] the natural river that's going down, how do we design it without interrupting those things?

[30:17] So we do have an internal plan of how we feel things can flow within the property that we are developing.

[30:25] And we have really tried to preserve and take care of all the beauty that the valley has done.

[30:36] That's very high on our list.

[30:39] So, all right.

[30:43] Now, some of the other items,

[30:48] water, water is a big deal.

[30:50] It's a big deal for everywhere in Utah.

[30:52] that's a definitely a big deal for the WASAT area.

[30:56] So we have been working with individuals and groups that have water.

[31:03] We treat water very carefully.

[31:07] Our plan is to have water systems that,

[31:12] well, water and sewer oftentimes go together.

[31:15] We want to make sure that we're capturing and we have high efficiency use of water.

[31:21] part of our planning is to have, if you have an oversized estate, so if there is larger

[31:29] estates, we have building envelopes that you're not allowed to come in and put grass and

[31:37] ponds necessarily on a five acre estate. Some of our neighbors have that great. That's great

[31:43] and they're beautiful. That's not our intent. We don't have enough water for that, frankly.

[31:50] So we are having building envelopes that shrink that down, keeps most of your property very natural.

[31:57] It preserves the views for everybody looking at your property, it keeps it very natural.

[32:02] But it also helps us to have a higher efficiency for the homes that we do bring into the development.

[32:11] Water will take more planning without a doubt.

[32:14] And over the next nine months to a year, as we go through the process, we are absolutely going to flush out more water concerns and we will come up with more water solutions.

[32:28] But water is high on our, frankly, it was the number one item when I was approaching this development is, okay, how do we do water correctly?

[32:36] Where do we find it? How do we make it efficient? How are we, how are we going to be good stewards in regards to everything? But yes, water.

[32:45] Sorry, did you have a question?

[32:49] Stewart is the same idea.

[32:51] We would love to work with our local SSDs with sewer.

[32:57] We will where we can if there's capacities, if that's available, then we will work with

[33:04] them and find local solutions if possible.

[33:08] If that isn't possible, there are absolutely solutions where we can do our own

[33:15] sewer,

[33:18] with in our development or close to it or something that will work in conjunction with the districts that are around.

[33:25] But sewer tends to be one of those things that you can find solutions to. So while there's not always immediate solutions, there's definitely technological solutions that we can do for sewer.

[33:39] So, I'm going to go down a list, but is there any questions on water and sewer?

[33:46] Any questions at this point?

[33:48] Okay.

[33:49] You want to add anything to water?

[33:51] I think we've covered that further.

[33:53] Well, if this is, you know, we've had meetings with the SSDs and, and, you know, they

[33:59] haven't came right out and said, hey, we can serve you with sewer, but there is from our

[34:02] opportunities for us to work with the SSDs, maybe at the for sewer on the interim

[34:08] push on the initial portions of our project, and then we'll solve our sewer issues

[34:14] as we go.

[34:15] Of course, this hearing tonight is specifically to just move the boundary, there's going

[34:19] to be a whole, it's going to be an entire process where we go through where we have to

[34:23] come in with various, very specific plans for sewer and water in order for the annexation

[34:27] to actually happen.

[34:28] So we're doing our best to provide enough information on utilities so that we can get some comfort levels with it, but like Greg mentioned, there's going to be 10 months to a year of discussions about making that work before we can ask for an annexation.

[34:44] And your confidence for access to water and the water hasn't changed from your initial discussion with us.

[34:52] When I first started looking at this project two years ago, I was always very worried about finding the water.

[35:00] That was always high.

[35:01] However, I'm confident at this point that we'll be able to resolve any water concerns.

[35:07] The reality is, we don't know what our project is.

[35:11] So, it's really hard to sit here until until we start talking specifics of talking,

[35:19] what we have enough water will we not, because as of right now, I don't know how much water

[35:24] we need. So that's a little bit of a double-edged sword, but I'm confident even of what we've

[35:31] internally put together, we could cover our water needs.

[35:36] So, I think the next big one, in my opinion,

[35:39] traffic. Traffic is one of those that's a little bit tricky because it overflows, you know,

[35:48] it goes off. It goes off of our property. And so traffic where water was the number one concern

[35:55] now traffic is is taken that spot in my opinion where it's okay, let's make sure we do traffic right.

[36:01] The last thing I want to do is be a burden to anybody. And so traffic we have to be,

[36:09] correctly. There's a couple of good things about traffic planning. Number one, this is not

[36:17] happening overnight. This is a 30 to 40 year project.

[36:22] We have time to, we have time to implement

[36:27] solutions as we come up. Even difficult solutions can be implemented if you've got decades of

[36:34] which we will have inevitably.

[36:38] Number two, with the annexation of this project into Hebrew,

[36:44] we will not only have a plan for traffic for off-site traffic management,

[36:49] but we will have a mechanism now through taxes and impact fees

[36:54] to at least help address those problems.

[36:59] those, what I would describe as inevitable problems with or without our project. As we've

[37:05] been working with our traffic engineer, it's become clear that even if we don't build

[37:11] anything, we're going to, there's going to be level of service problems in about eight years

[37:19] or so on Lake Creek and other, other of these collectors that, you know, that we will

[37:25] disturb. It is going to be a problem with or without us. To me, that has become absolutely clear.

[37:34] And so, at least with us, we can come together and we can have a plan that as the road

[37:41] widens, which is inevitable, with or without us, there will be growth. These roads will grow with,

[37:48] with just what has been put forward. With what is already zoned and permitted, we're going to

[37:54] what is the status quo? The nice thing is, as it grows, it handles more flow. And what we want to do is,

[38:04] I guess what I would say is from efficient planning, you don't necessarily need roads that have now grown

[38:11] from say two lanes to three lanes or three lanes to four lanes. If, if your level of service, it has to

[38:19] we had a C class C, which is Hebers City Policy.

[38:24] And you've now grown and you're forced to do that with or with, let's say we don't show up.

[38:28] And you're forced to go to one extra lane.

[38:31] And now you've got level of service A, the efficient thing would do would be to add to that

[38:39] and collect some fees and some taxes that help you grow and fix other places of the city

[38:45] and the area.

[38:46] So what I'm what I'm saying is the good news is we have decades to plan this, we have mechanisms to facilitate the plan without us.

[38:57] You're still going to be growing these areas without any of the increased revenues.

[39:02] So traffic is a tricky one.

[39:05] However, I do think that we have the time and capacity to fix the traffic.

[39:08] So, I mean, this is me speaking now.

[39:13] I hope within the next 30, 40 years as traffic needs go crazy.

[39:18] I'm hoping that we're all in flying cars, at some point.

[39:21] So, you know, let's hope that we're all doing flying cars.

[39:25] So, we'll see what that happens.

[39:30] Let's see.

[39:33] I guess we could talk a little bit more about the location.

[39:36] And I love the location and this is a partnership with, obviously, with the state and with

[39:47] the Christian's and family.

[39:48] Vote Christian's and is here with us tonight.

[39:51] He'll likely get up during the public hearing portion and speak.

[39:56] We understand, his family has been in this family for a very, very long time, they've been

[40:03] And we want to help them be as successful as they can be as a family, and monetize the lands that's been in their family for a very long time.

[40:17] This isn't the only parcels that they've owned. They've owned quite a bit quite a bit of that hill that's now being developed was originally in their family.

[40:25] They haven't financially benefited from, basically any of it, is the reality.

[40:32] This is the last that's left and it's a mantle on my shoulders to help their family realize

[40:40] some of their generational wealth that has never been realized and so while I think it's

[40:47] good for everybody, if this development goes forward, including the community, I do think there's

[40:53] special portion of it that says, hey, this family has been here forever, that has done agriculture

[40:59] for a long time, has finally has an opportunity to step up and realize some of that, that

[41:09] their grandfather, great grandfather, all of that has gone through hurting sheep. It's finally

[41:15] able to realize some of those gains. Anything you want to add to that list?

[41:22] I'll jump in and talk about a couple of the other items that the county had concerns over

[41:27] that came in with their letter and that's specifically for electric power and with fiber

[41:32] optic. Our plan for power and and for the fiber optic is, you know, there's two different

[41:39] power per vears in the area. You've got Hebrew power and light as well as Rocky Mountain. Our plan

[41:46] to meet with them and master plan for those communities as we move along. We have not met with them yet,

[41:53] but our plan is to do that in the next couple of weeks. In the same thing with fiber optic,

[41:57] we've got all West and Utah broadband in the area, but we're confident that for power and

[42:03] that for power and for communications that we'll be able to solve that by master planning and working with

[42:08] those agencies to be able to move that along. We feel it's a pretty straightforward item. Once we get past

[42:13] some of the others, but that was on the list and so that will be our plan is to meet with

[42:17] what those four entities over the next couple of weeks.

[42:22] By the way, the flying cars was a bit

[42:24] tongue-in-cheek for the, for any reporters that are,

[42:32] okay. Any other thing you'd like,

[42:34] else you'd like to add? This is your chance to sell it to the public. Well, we've gone over most of

[42:40] it. I'd just tell you what I'm most excited for, you know, a couple of things we want to have

[42:45] of really fun recreation areas in our open space.

[42:49] We've got another really great tubing area

[42:53] that's similar to Soldier Hollow,

[42:54] that we've got planned or attempted to be looking

[42:57] at possibly a little bunny hill that's a rope toe

[43:00] that could work out there.

[43:02] We've been working with the US cycling team

[43:04] to have an absolute world class

[43:06] cross country and downhill mountain biking trail system,

[43:10] which we're very, very excited for.

[43:12] We've been working with county trails to get all of the hiking and all the trail system of the county to be interconnected, which we feel is very important.

[43:25] We've met with all of our neighboring developments, and we're working with having connectivity for roadways and trail systems to all of them is our hope, especially all of them that would like to connect to us.

[43:42] We feel like in the mitigating traffic realm, you know, we want to have a commercial and kind of village center to the north of our project.

[43:53] We would love to have a community where you can live work and play and limit the amount of times you have to come into town.

[44:00] We don't want to require everybody to have to come into town.

[44:03] It will happen and it no question, but if we can mitigate that from the get go that'll reduce our traffic counts, which we want to do.

[44:12] But overall, I've got a family, I've got four kids aged six to 17.

[44:20] I would love to have a house up here.

[44:22] I want my kids to play in the snow.

[44:25] when it's going to go on an alpine slide in the summer and lock it to fees or from a distance

[44:34] CMS, you know, that's, I mean that's special. That's what I want and I want that for other people.

[44:40] So, and if I might add, we do have another exhibit, Tony, which mind bringing that up. This is a very

[44:46] similar exhibit too. We had that we had previously, I think really the only change to this exhibit.

[44:50] this has been submitted to the city is we're showing our, we're showing our project kind of in yellow and then we do have some neighbors that

[45:00] That have talked about adding their properties to the annexation request or to the APP boundary request, and they're shown on this map on the south side, and kind of a light lavender color.

[45:10] That would be a liberty ranch, the Kim personal, and then there's a couple of Jacobson family parcels that that have also, they came to the meeting previously and requested those.

[45:18] So we've updated our map to show those that are there and this gives it kind of a general feel for for how we think the project might be planned.

[45:29] I want to add what I would do since this map is up.

[45:33] I will say this.

[45:34] We haven't had, I mean, we've had a lot of conversations with cities, city staff, and others.

[45:39] I just want to express, we haven't been able to get into the details yet.

[45:44] And like I said, I welcome that.

[45:46] And I am excited and anticipate that to be a good, a good thing with the communications.

[45:54] from some of the items that I've heard from the community, from other people I've met with,

[45:59] you know, we've already internally changed how the phasing would work and how we can,

[46:06] essentially, the land, if we worked the land from South to North, which is probably the most natural way to do it,

[46:14] The first five phases are all status quo.

[46:20] They're all bigger lots similar to our neighbors, very much that way.

[46:25] And frankly, we felt like after hearing some feedback,

[46:29] we weren't getting to affordable housing fast enough.

[46:34] And so we've made some modifications, even already, which is funny, because you don't know what it was before.

[46:40] But, and there's these can all change, but I guess my point that I'm making is

[46:45] based off of feedback we've already received from people that we've met with within the city and the county.

[46:52] We're modifying that so that we can within the first few phases we can get into some

[46:57] areas that have more affordable housing that is not your two acre, five acre, 10 acre parcels.

[47:04] we want to get into where someone a schoolteacher or anyone else could afford to live in this area

[47:10] and we want to get there faster. We felt like even though it's much further north,

[47:16] it's not seen from the valley floor. We need to improve the roads and the utilities to get

[47:21] those areas where we can start making a bigger impact faster for the affordability,

[47:28] which I think is a problem for everywhere in the state.

[47:36] Yeah. Anyone on the commission

[47:38] have any questions at this time for our applicant or for staff? I'd like to know why you're

[47:47] looking for annexation in the Hebrew. What's the purpose of that for you besides just sucking

[47:54] off the city and all our resources in everything we have? What benefits you in the annexation?

[48:06] Yeah. Okay. That's a great. It's a good question. I'll phrase it differently a little bit.

[48:12] I don't actually don't think we're exactly that way.

[48:13] We probably have different attitudes. Yeah. Yeah. So I can understand the question.

[48:23] I think this is a municipal project. Number one, I don't think it's a county project.

[48:29] And so I feel like it's it would be inappropriate almost to work this type of project

[48:35] through the county. I think this is what I would describe as a municipal project. The most logical,

[48:42] easiest municipality that is nearest, we border in this case, we border the Hebrew city. So for

[48:50] us, if we wanted to do a project of this caliber, I think it would be appropriate to go to Hebrew

[48:56] and to work with Hebrew. Now, as for sucking the resources, I don't, until we get into the details,

[49:05] I personally don't see the resources that we're, that we're going to be taking, as matter

[49:12] of fact, we're planning on dedicating large swaths of land to the city for civic uses

[49:19] for public parks. I would say almost every utility, everything we're doing is self-sustained

[49:29] within the development.

[49:33] So I'm not 100% sure of me phrase it this way.

[49:38] I believe this is going to be a net positive

[49:41] financially for the city.

[49:42] I don't think this will be a negative in any way.

[49:50] Thank you.

[49:51] Any other questions or comments?

[49:54] Mr. Jordan?

[49:55] I'm sure just for all those.

[49:57] There are 10 years seeing us look at our screens and I want

[50:00] to everybody to understand that we've received a lot of public

[50:02] comment on this as a planning commission, so while we're listening, we're also reading a lot of input from the public here to understand that's why you see our hands are down here.

[50:15] I'd like to ask, if you to review the plan long term plan of these access roads to get in around the property, both on what is the south and also the north could do review those for us right now.

[50:29] and further with the comment you've served in the county relevant to right away to get to the road with needed for the flows projected.

[50:39] How are you planning on dealing with that pretty substantial issue? So let's understand what you're proposing as your connector to Heber.

[50:48] Okay, and then let's understand better how you're planning on gaining the road required to be able to make those roads work.

[50:56] Yeah, so let me start by saying this we are working with Hills engineering they do traffic

[51:02] engineering and while we've met with them numerous times certainly the full plan is not

[51:10] fleshed out it's that is an expensive plan to put together so you know we we do want to

[51:18] have at least an understanding that this process moves forward before we spend the potentially

[51:23] to 50 hundreds of thousands of dollars to do the plan.

[51:27] But we have met a number of times.

[51:30] And as of today, the plan is we have a little poll drive

[51:36] that connects us north and south, obviously through our property,

[51:41] which would end up being the major boulevard of the project.

[51:47] That connects, you can kind of,

[51:49] well, you can see on the map here,

[51:50] that will connect down to Lake Creek

[51:52] From where the traffic goes on Lake Creek is, our traffic engineers definitely will spell that out for us.

[52:01] But there are several routes that anyone may go.

[52:04] So if they want to go north or into the city, they could go down Lake Creek and they could then.

[52:09] There's a new bypass that just opened up this past red ledges.

[52:13] If you're going up toward Park City or Salt Lake area, you may avoid the downtown by taking that new little bypass that goes around the grocery store.

[52:21] and connects up to the highway. If you're going south, you're likely to go off of little

[52:27] little pole and go on to 489 believe it. Yep. I believe if you were headed to the Provo area

[52:36] if you're going down Provo Canyon, there'll be ways for for you to divert off of Lake Creek Road,

[52:44] onto, onto, well, Mills there today, but you've got a 243600 as well as 4800 could,

[52:49] divert traffic to the south so that you basically bypass the downtown area and if I might

[52:54] add on the map, I told you, Jim, I'm just zooming in on those kind of lavender areas.

[52:59] So like Greg mentioned, we do have, on the, the beginning of our project phases, if we work

[53:05] our way to the south, you can see there's, right in the center of those lavender areas, there's

[53:10] what we're calling phase 1.1. And there's an existing road that runs through that, that

[53:15] community now. So Westward Ho is there. There's a gate there for for the Wolf Creek community.

[53:23] Their road actually runs through the settler property. But that will likely be our first phase

[53:29] of improvements. So that traffic would likely come south on Westward Ho, west on big pole and then south

[53:36] on little pole. What's not shown on this on this plan? I'm sure all of you have have driven up

[53:41] little pole right little pole is the only roadway that can get you from the Heber Valley up on top until you get all the way over to the 40 to the East. So

[53:49] that little pole alignment will remain. What our plan to do is instead of keeping that road in the bottom of the 30 degrees of between the bridge and the Kim Park. So

[54:02] I think it's a little cold on the root of the liver branch parcel and it's not shown on this kind of approach.

[54:10] That would be kind of our minor entrance.

[54:13] Then, eventually, you can see that we have another large roadway that runs,

[54:17] Willis Clyde actually owns the property immediately to the west of the Liberty Ranch parcel.

[54:22] We actually met with Willis, but that roadway that's shown through his property is a current easement that's owned by settler through that property.

[54:31] So the main entrance to our property once we get past our first phase or two will be that

[54:37] prop will be that roadway or kind of calling that Christians and boulevard so we have a name for it to

[54:43] kind of give respect to the family but that's what our two connections would be would be major

[54:48] connection on right where the RD is in Lake Creek Road where that road comes up and through

[54:54] would be our our our future major connection and the little poll would be our minor connection

[54:59] then on the north side of our property, we would like to connect.

[55:07] It took me so Tony, could you go up on the phone please?

[55:19] Yeah,

[55:23] that road is where the existing dirt road is today.

[55:27] In fact, the majority of Christians in Parkway except for the very southern end is right where the road is now.

[55:32] We would love the opportunity to connect that through to Jordan O'Ridge, Jordan O'Ridge's current traffic plan does show a connection here, but that's a private real estate that's next to us.

[55:44] So that would be our major connection.

[55:47] Also, that's not really shown on this is working from where phase 10.2 and 5.8R.

[55:53] There's a roadway that runs across through that nature park.

[55:56] And we'll run, or it's the north of the nature park.

[56:15] We'll have a roadway that comes across right there now.

[56:22] I believe that that will be emergency access only out to Westward Hope,

[56:26] but it does provide the ability for fire to get through right there.

[56:31] We would also, if you might, wouldn't mind panning down a bit more.

[56:34] Oh, sorry, panning up.

[56:36] Right, where phase 9.3 is, which are for this North area, victory ramp is actually adjacent to us on the North side.

[56:44] We just recently had the opportunity to, we were going to, we would like to open discussions about having a route.

[56:51] Phase 9.3, you know, phase 9.3 is a couple of decades away from us, right?

[56:56] a vote. We're willing, because we want an open project that has roadways that are allowed to be driven on by the public,

[57:07] as much interconnectivity as we can have with our neighbors. We're okay with, we obviously need them to agree with that.

[57:14] So Mr. Jordan, I hope that answers your question as to what our plans are for the roadways. This is not new.

[57:20] It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.

[57:23] Thank you.

[57:24] Um, could be zoom out a little bit more and understand how you may or not have looked at connecting to the north and 32.

[57:34] These are the campus.

[57:37] So

[57:41] the public maps that were available for Jordan Elridge, we connected.

[57:47] It was our understanding that that connection would take would be the case. Now, our, as we work with our traffic engineers,

[57:54] it doesn't look like we are sending very much traffic north, most of our traffic does not want

[58:01] to go to the 32. Right, so it's very small amount. As a matter of fact, having an access point

[58:07] there, it's more likely that people from Jordan, No Ridge, will probably go south that we will go north.

[58:13] I would say the conversations with us having connections to Jordan Elridge and to Benlock Branch

[58:20] are ongoing.

[58:22] But I'm optimistic that we'll make sure that there will be connections

[58:27] and that something will happen to our north.

[58:31] If for some reason, we cannot connect there,

[58:35] there might not be a connection for 32.

[58:37] If I select through Benlock, which would happen,

[58:39] but if that doesn't happen, we won't have a connection to 32.

[58:43] However, we will have a loop because of that access

[58:48] so you can have the westward.

[58:49] Okay, that's my one.

[58:51] And so the right of ways that county of identified

[58:54] that are required for the road to be able to handle

[58:57] a traffic you're proposing with your strategy

[59:00] on getting those right of ways to widen the road.

[59:08] I'm sorry, you're not, obviously, I'll get you

[59:11] to watch that out of the next several months.

[59:14] I don't know, I mean, right now,

[59:16] I wouldn't be able to go over any deep-filled plan.

[59:18] Right, whatever.

[59:19] Working with our engineers in the west side.

[59:28] And what's obvious is the existing homeowners are seriously impacted.

[59:34] So.

[59:34] I would say not as much as you think.

[59:36] I drove it today.

[59:38] We looked at they have been this is this is a.

[59:40] It's a pretty major topic within our own development.

[59:43] And we feel like we've identified where we can absolutely.

[59:48] Well, I shouldn't say we can work with the county.

[59:51] We can work with the community to expand the roadways that need to be expanded regardless of us.

[1:00:01] So I think that's what's really important here. Lake Greek road will have to be widened whether we show up or not. And with us, we can have a better plan that is paid for. And and and we and working with our engineers, you know, we work closely with with hails and with at well. And we are confident that there is enough space without disturbing a lot of homeowners if any.

[1:00:30] that we can have the level of service that is required.

[1:00:37] Thank you.

[1:00:38] Good discussion.

[1:00:40] Are there any other questions?

[1:00:42] Let's ask you to go ahead.

[1:00:45] If we do not, if there's not a change to the map and you're not added to the annexation map,

[1:00:54] do we look to incorporate?

[1:00:59] I hope you understand the question.

[1:01:02] Sorry.

[1:01:03] Say it one more time.

[1:01:04] If the area, if this area isn't added to our annexation map, will you guys look to incorporate?

[1:01:13] Oh, for ourselves.

[1:01:15] That's certainly not.

[1:01:22] The version of that question is the rather significant load to our existing public safety services, fire medical and law enforcement.

[1:01:34] And what plans do you have to essentially create or add to Hebrew services up in your area

[1:01:41] for us to be able to provide those services to you?

[1:01:45] We will all be expected to do that.

[1:01:46] We have areas designated for civic throughout, and we are expecting to, what phase would

[1:01:55] they potentially, we need to respond to a lot of folks that are asking how fired an

[1:02:03] But they're house because somehow they're stuck up on your property.

[1:02:07] So this is an interesting question.

[1:02:10] When we met with the Wolf Creek development,

[1:02:15] they were excited for the idea that we might have a fire station somewhere

[1:02:19] in the north part of our project because now they can actually get fire insurance

[1:02:23] and other things that would connect to that emergency access.

[1:02:26] And now they've got coverage.

[1:02:29] They don't have coverage at this point.

[1:02:31] As we've met with the fire chief and the fire departments and the service districts there,

[1:02:38] the answer ultimately is, we're willing to put that wherever they need it.

[1:02:43] It would be probably inappropriate for me to say it's going to go right here when they don't need it right there.

[1:02:49] So we want to work with them to have the best coverage for us and all the surrounding communities.

[1:02:56] I'm not naive to think that we're not part of a larger group.

[1:03:01] And we have met with G-Pales and with Mr. Nearings on a couple of different occasions.

[1:03:07] You know, they're seeing little poll as their ability to provide interconnectivity up on top of this red line.

[1:03:13] We're 100% on board with with that.

[1:03:16] And because not only does it provide connectivity up a little poll,

[1:03:19] once we get our community completed, it will provide that loop that comes into Wolf Creek

[1:03:24] to Westward Hill that's shown on the upper right-hand portion of this community.

[1:03:28] So they see it as a benefit to them to provide some additional interconnectivity of roadways

[1:03:32] as well as us being able to provide the appropriate location for them to put a station.

[1:03:40] Our first choice is to annex into the city of Thieber, without a doubt.

[1:03:43] That is why we're here. There's other routes. Obviously we could have been entertained.

[1:03:48] We like Thieber. We want to work with Thieber City.

[1:03:52] Okay, thank you.

[1:03:55] Any other questions or concerns?

[1:03:58] Okay.

[1:04:00] We'll go ahead and get ready for our public hearing then.

[1:04:03] Michelle, would you be interested in laying out the instructions?

[1:04:12] Oh, that's a great idea.

[1:04:13] Is there any other interests of parties here,

[1:04:17] their petitioners?

[1:04:18] They would like to address the council or the commission at this time?

[1:04:28] I don't think they wanted to do that.

[1:04:29] We'll go ahead and then work toward the public hearing, then, oh, nope, I got somebody

[1:04:33] who's here.

[1:04:35] Oh, okay.

[1:04:35] Thank you.

[1:04:36] Sorry, I wasn't aware.

[1:04:38] It's best to the pulpit.

[1:04:39] It just sounds just so everybody can hear me better.

[1:04:42] I'm never back.

[1:04:49] Let me just really briefly hear.

[1:04:52] Are you property owners as part of this petition for the annexation?

[1:04:56] We are the livid.

[1:04:58] Liberty.

[1:04:58] Okay.

[1:04:59] So you are part of the request for the annexation.

[1:05:02] Okay.

[1:05:02] So your petitioner then go ahead.

[1:05:10] We do understand that there's a side where there's concerns of growth, care, and there's always the pros and cons.

[1:05:19] Here in the valley, more than a minute, kind of very, very, very expensive growth approaches from around the year 2015.

[1:05:32] The thing is that we worked a long time to try to protect the natural beauty and the natural character of a can hit.

[1:05:45] And like many people that you're probably hearing from, we also really were not against this development, but in general have any development.

[1:05:54] I took a step back and I said to myself, we can't stop it out of it.

[1:06:01] The thing that we can do is turn around with good partners who are responsible about how we want to go about developing.

[1:06:10] We actually came a little bit late to this pilot party.

[1:06:14] We're really working with some of the larger parts of our team.

[1:06:17] But when we met, we learned a little bit more about my plan.

[1:06:24] It was really felt like it was a benefit.

[1:06:26] Not just to can and, but to also to keep her safe.

[1:06:32] You know, we've been in Waza County for a long time.

[1:06:36] You know, we believe a private owner, in this case in particular,

[1:06:41] and we've witnessed, like, you know, a scosis.

[1:06:44] Anyone in this entire county can say they have.

[1:06:47] We have like 50 to their cells and it has been clean up again in our properties, it was property, you know, ourselves to try to beautify it.

[1:06:57] And when we came in and started to try to build our home, and we actually run up any flying on the public there, you know, people were, yes, what we were doing.

[1:07:07] And the same people, you know, a year or two later when the house was built and so on, our friends seeing us on, they came back and they actually really called when they saw there.

[1:07:17] because we also, I used to be a real pity to share very much about this

[1:07:22] family, I'm curious about the West, it's kind of the first basis of our

[1:07:28] government.

[1:07:31] It was very important to me that, you know, our common

[1:07:34] focus is the health side. It was very important to me, the

[1:07:37] fencing is not natural. It felt like it would have been there, you know,

[1:07:42] many, many years ago. And I have really believed that in the final

[1:07:45] we've met a partner that has very similar upset and goals for what they want to put

[1:07:51] they want to build. You know what I really do understand in certain abilities. Nobody's there

[1:07:58] as closely as we are, day in, day out, taking care of that cannon and loading that cannon and

[1:08:04] entrance to the loophole board in a very positive way. Now the other thing is we're talking about

[1:08:10] stewardship. And safety, those are two things that we've dealt with on regular basis

[1:08:17] where we've had to call police out, we've had to call fire and burn out. And you know,

[1:08:22] because there's not a local, like there's not a close enough access. We was 28 years

[1:08:28] of our land. It wasn't quite one entire controlled world, you know, by way from it. So yeah,

[1:08:40] is really caring about the development of that entire both sides.

[1:08:45] And once the service is in that, frankly,

[1:08:48] they're probably long overdue.

[1:08:50] I think it's only a challenge that, and again,

[1:08:55] it would be a lot safer place.

[1:08:57] It would be a development in the hospital,

[1:09:00] very well-bought out and considered great,

[1:09:03] which I believe that that is their process.

[1:09:06] Um, you know, I also think that right now, the canon is mainly enjoyed by the property owners and, you know, that's great.

[1:09:17] That's us. We definitely fully utilize our property, especially now.

[1:09:23] But I think that their plan left the canon to come a lot more enjoyable in a real recreational feature to anyone coming to visit Hebrew State

[1:09:33] because it's not going to be a walk-art, and it's not going to be closed off, and things

[1:09:39] like the creek, like my horse even went to look at the property to consider for everything.

[1:09:44] You couldn't even see that there was really a creek there, and the real estate agent

[1:09:48] comes out of the basic park city certainly doesn't know how to guys. But certainly wasn't,

[1:09:53] you know, you know, you wasn't living there day-to-day to check the water levels, like I would be

[1:09:58] back all the time to see what are have flowing.

[1:10:02] But in this alley there's their beavers and things

[1:10:05] that go into disrepair, you know, because there's not quite a longer back there than the county is,

[1:10:11] you know, has their animals, so they're not able to clean things up, you know, all right,

[1:10:16] the beavers is, and I really think that this is probably not relevant, looks at the creep area,

[1:10:21] as a beautiful feature that the entire county can enjoy. Right now it's in with like overgrowth and

[1:10:28] and dead fallen trees and things like that,

[1:10:31] where I just really think this can be like the next generation,

[1:10:36] and there's always a river of that entire area,

[1:10:39] and really a feature that people look forward to coming

[1:10:41] to Hebrew City to see.

[1:10:44] And hopefully they'll come see our horses,

[1:10:46] which is very important to us as well as the state of their lives.

[1:10:51] So I just also mentioned we also have this part

[1:10:54] that we have a world-class director of horsemanship,

[1:10:59] I mean, this could be like Keber's home that celebrates the Western agricultural foundation

[1:11:07] of his family, which, you know, there have been very few areas where we've been able to do

[1:11:12] that.

[1:11:12] So, I'll be talking about, you know, 4,000, something that was acres, and the prison system,

[1:11:17] family, and it's been here, you know, since the beginning, and that was the beginning

[1:11:22] of that kind of ending, was the sheep growing agricultural can and, you know, I think that

[1:11:29] You know, while this is a resident community, I think that there is a lot that can speak in its room, that can celebrate that paradise.

[1:11:36] Thank you so much.

[1:11:37] Thank you. Does anyone have any questions for?

[1:11:41] Okay. Thank you very much.

[1:11:44] Okay.

[1:11:48] All right, we'll prepare for a, are you also owner?

[1:11:50] Yes.

[1:11:51] Fisher? Okay.

[1:11:54] Please, thank you.

[1:11:54] Sorry, go ahead and state your name. I apologize.

[1:11:57] No,

[1:12:16] when we got involved in violent,

[1:12:18] you know, we had other

[1:12:19] developers.

[1:12:24] And Deborah said it really well. They shared this kind of their vision,

[1:12:31] you know, ideas of what they could be. Obviously there's a lot of details,

[1:12:35] they still have them work out from here. But we really enjoyed it, but I really

[1:12:44] invited them. In fact, they want this to be something that all the open areas

[1:12:49] they're shared there. Because that's something that isn't really going on right around

[1:12:54] us, you know, then that piece that are up there for some of the other areas, the next was

[1:12:57] their private. You know, which is, this one, but we, especially my mom, she's the oldest

[1:13:03] surviving Christians in this life now, she was really impressed with that idea of sharing

[1:13:09] the entire era. And I know that that was something that my grandfather did all the time.

[1:13:15] I mean, the information for so many people who go up there, can't be all sorts of stuff.

[1:13:21] We want that to continue, we want to be something that gets shared, and I really feel like they are going to try to do that.

[1:13:31] And I feel like with the city's guidance, with you guys helping them, that we can turn this into something special.

[1:13:39] And obviously there's a lot of details that have to be worked out, there's a lot of issues or concerns that have to be worked out.

[1:13:48] And we appreciate that. And I'm just holding them into the next stage so that we can do that and make this in something special.

[1:13:54] So,

[1:13:57] I, I don't think I have anything else. I think that was set really well.

[1:14:02] But they have been a great company.

[1:14:05] There's not one time that I've ever felt like this is a zero-sum game of that.

[1:14:09] It's always been, you know, how can we make this happen?

[1:14:13] So I know if you've been reporting with them that they will do their best to come up with a solution.

[1:14:19] but it makes many people better than from this muscle.

[1:14:24] So, we appreciate your time and that's the original question.

[1:14:27] Okay, thank you, sirs. Anyone have any questions or anything?

[1:14:32] All right, my apologies. Do we have any other petitions

[1:14:35] who would like to come forward and approach the curation at this time?

[1:14:41] Okay.

[1:14:43] All right, with that, then what I would do is invite Michelle

[1:14:48] to give us a few words of wisdom or the rules of decoromy, my color. Thank you.

[1:15:03] We'll be back up to three minutes during the open comment, motion, aye.

[1:15:09] And I think this is part of the question.

[1:15:13] Our participants may also submit the comment portal by turning on what is the comments?

[1:15:22] We ask your council to get to the opposition.

[1:15:25] We have come into a many-in person.

[1:15:28] I think he helps with chambers.

[1:15:30] Through the online portal.

[1:15:32] We've got a bigger number.

[1:15:33] Save your name.

[1:15:35] I'm going to get a bonus.

[1:15:36] Three minutes.

[1:15:37] Get a message.

[1:15:38] Repeat.

[1:15:38] I'm going to send it.

[1:15:41] Thank you Michelle.

[1:15:43] Okay.

[1:15:44] There's a couple of things I'd like to address here.

[1:15:47] This is really the opportunity for the public to come and address the planning commission.

[1:15:55] we're here to do your bidding and your work. We want to hear what your thoughts are.

[1:15:59] This is a big undertaking if it's something that we decide to go ahead and move forward with.

[1:16:06] But I do want to remind everyone at this point.

[1:16:11] This is simply expanding the annexation boundaries.

[1:16:17] We're not actually considering the details on an annexation.

[1:16:21] that will come if if approved that will come at other further time.

[1:16:27] That's when we dive into the nuts and bolts.

[1:16:30] However, it is also important to look at everything from the big picture.

[1:16:36] Does this work for hevers city?

[1:16:38] Does this something that will work?

[1:16:41] And then what issues we may not have considered that the general public may have?

[1:16:47] Please feel free to come up and address.

[1:16:48] We'll probably, do we have, we have some emails, we've actually read, but I think it would be good if we read them into the record, are you okay with doing

[1:17:00] that?

[1:17:04] And in essence of time, the planning commission had the opportunity to review those.

[1:17:10] And so we don't necessarily have to do that. We're depending on the amount of public comment we receive. So let's just leave it at that.

[1:17:17] But we do encourage you to come up, state your name. The key thing here for meetings to

[1:17:23] to get

[1:17:27] the information that we need. Let's try and keep it in an organized fashion.

[1:17:32] So please come up to the microphone, state your name, your affiliation, and then please give

[1:17:38] us your comments that you have. We're not here to judge you. We want to hear from you. So keep it

[1:17:45] to keep it simple and with that, the time is now yours.

[1:18:05] Right.

[1:18:07] Thank you.

[1:18:10] Thank you.

[1:18:14] Yes, thank you.

[1:18:19] You know, we've had a final of several months ago.

[1:18:23] I have a discussion on whether this should be the government now and could be the government.

[1:18:29] As you know, the zoning is P160 and in six-acre blocks, just like

[1:18:35] you.

[1:18:37] We did have a discussion about some potential opportunities for a regional and obviously, that's a legislative decision.

[1:18:43] We've been taking promises, but only other reasons for that.

[1:18:47] But we don't need to be around 200 BS.

[1:18:51] It's 1,000 or 28,000.

[1:18:55] So, I have been a long year of numbers on which

[1:18:59] and we've got to follow like people telling me that it's up to five thousand units. I realize that

[1:19:06] we're not highly specific, but it's harder not to get excited when you hear numbers like that.

[1:19:12] It's a potential of 50,000.

[1:19:16] When we heard when we got with five, all of this, the sweet spies,

[1:19:20] 800 to 12 million units. So I was warm to hear that about it. But we are concerned about

[1:19:28] traffic on the

[1:19:31] quality of life. As great mention, when people come down out of the

[1:19:37] government, they'll go, just like water, whichever way it is, but this, maybe that's

[1:19:42] like creepy, that's false silence. I don't know if people are going to be distracted.

[1:19:48] It's

[1:19:48] hard to comment and you don't know what these systems are. But we are concerned about traffic,

[1:19:54] I'm concerned about traffic. If you just put a quarter of the 5,000 units there, that's

[1:20:01] developed by our purpose. It's somehow difficult to create a grant in probably handled about

[1:20:09] a 16,000 per day without data. And the temple intersection, you know, that was proposed,

[1:20:19] and it was initially a stop-controlled intersection. It failed. They wanted to have a little

[1:20:25] advantage section. So you have to order around about the main panel.

[1:20:32] We don't have the right

[1:20:34] way to improve those roads as developments come in. We'll require, I believe, on Lake Creek,

[1:20:39] it's a 75-foot highway.

[1:20:43] Some of you have highway on the hills, but there's, I don't know,

[1:20:47] three or four miles to go through the county,

[1:20:51] I've heard of those roads to keep the passes that we're talking

[1:20:53] on here. I get it is 10, 20, 30 years away, but at some point there's going to be a lot of money that's

[1:20:59] And before you upgrade those, what kind of pain do you see as far as crap?

[1:21:10] The other concern is that a lot of the inexations that are happening in city are high in the north of the village.

[1:21:18] All the access is up, but you're not high right.

[1:21:22] These accesses are on countergrotes, you got to come in and also we all know they're reactive,

[1:21:27] but they have a lot of money being able to throw a fix.

[1:21:31] city or county will be a different situation there.

[1:21:39] We are, my poll, who's our elected table representative, has been talking to

[1:21:45] sit with us. Some of the things that are coming out as far as the entities that are

[1:21:49] meeting

[1:21:55] in different venues on. So, the scratching section is like that.

[1:22:01] But I think these conversations need to be continue and obviously do well.

[1:22:05] I need to have a question for Tony because a lot of times I've seen advertised, for example, projects in the north village that they will be annexed to go into the council for annexation at the same time, there's an MBA from National Development Group at the same time. How do you foresee this process?

[1:22:27] Is that okay if I ask a question?

[1:22:30] That's fine.

[1:22:31] Go ahead.

[1:22:32] Our council is general policy is to not entertain annexations without development agreement.

[1:22:40] That way the council can put a cap on densities and other issues that are of concern.

[1:22:50] That means that that's what we've heard of the issues you're meeting for the council for annexation.

[1:22:57] An annex, no, an annexation of this magnitude is going to take over a year, no doubt.

[1:23:07] Just to finish the annexation policy plan process we were talking about,

[1:23:13] what at least one more meeting with the Planning Commission,

[1:23:16] and then you're going to have probably at least two meetings with the Council.

[1:23:19] Council is also going to talk at least once with the County Council on January 15th.

[1:23:28] We have a meeting, apologize my staff report says December 12th, but it's January 15th.

[1:23:34] I don't see that as being the only meeting on the subject that our Council will have on it.

[1:23:40] An annexation,

[1:23:45] Council, at the end of the process with a big annexation like this would probably

[1:23:52] meet in a public forum like this, potentially dozen times, planning commission, at least

[1:23:59] a couple of times and then Council at the beginning of the process has two or three meetings

[1:24:04] on it. So if this is going to happen, there is going to be a lot of meetings.

[1:24:17] Yeah, I'm not at this time, but in your, oh, go ahead.

[1:24:24] So Doug, have you, have you looked at there any possibility of them accessing from the

[1:24:30] North rather than coming into Heaper to develop this property?

[1:24:33] Then I'll go ahead and check,

[1:24:43] I'm

[1:24:52] just nice came on the basis of some understanding.

[1:24:56] Well, first thing on behalf of Heaper is the motivation to ask us to annex this and what

[1:25:03] the other options available to them, based upon some of the, I would see quality of life issues

[1:25:10] that are on the table. So I was just, I just wanted to know more because having visited

[1:25:14] the property, it sure seems like I have an eyeball of a 32 and I'm wondering what's going on

[1:25:20] there.

[1:25:23] Okay, thank you, Mr Smith. Appreciate your comments.

[1:25:36] Thank you.

[1:25:46] I have a property right next to Deferless.

[1:25:50] It's the stuff that we did in this context,

[1:25:53] it should boundary about it.

[1:25:57] If I could just have that map of the one that was before that.

[1:26:06] So one of the easiest questions is if we're considering

[1:26:10] enlarging the overseas amication boundary,

[1:26:14] which is really the question to not really not talking about specific individuality, the helper.

[1:26:22] My question is why are we going to analyze all the work fields?

[1:26:28] And when are we going to analyze all of everything from 12, from meal road, east?

[1:26:35] And if we're talking, increasing the battery of the Hebrew city, that seems like a more logical player I didn't feel

[1:26:42] and makes up in the mountains and so my question is if we're talking about

[1:26:53] poor humility which is come down from the government and even in the

[1:26:59] kind of healing sources of project what do you guys think that average home sale

[1:27:06] rice is there now. Scary. Scary. A bit, you know. I just know what the total

[1:27:18] brothers are for the representative. They said that they're highest in selling

[1:27:22] project in the state for them. The average rice is 1.2 million. Oh, shit. And

[1:27:30] I'm not a huge unit, it's right, but just back if you've been up there to just have

[1:27:34] a matchbox, you know, with probably those that guard over really nice, but so the proposed

[1:27:44] developments you're saying, we have to set them mandate to come down and we never have

[1:27:49] a board of ability and we can't even reach a board of ability, right next door, right?

[1:27:56] And so, what's the reality of really that being adorable or actually, I don't know what I'm going to do?

[1:28:04] And then we might, like, say, just getting the quality of life and all that you do exactly.

[1:28:13] You know, when we ever change, we're going to go to time between bigger zone.

[1:28:18] I don't know.

[1:28:20] When we ever go past, we'll grow into the heat or city.

[1:28:26] It sure makes a lot more sense and actually put up here.

[1:28:29] And we should be having those talks first before we annexed that part of LA.

[1:28:46] When was that when the town get approved?

[1:28:52] 2008, I was here during that time.

[1:28:56] And the developers came in under a quote from New State that allowed them to create a town.

[1:29:04] Has there been one home field in the field of jail?

[1:29:08] Maybe a biopinating is a lot, so it might be a home field up there.

[1:29:16] But you know, that's Christians in property too.

[1:29:18] And that has lots of potential.

[1:29:20] In fact, a lot of water in this, you know, we're saying that they've got better for this project.

[1:29:29] I was tied up in that project as well.

[1:29:32] So I'm asking myself, well, I can't be tied up in two projects, right?

[1:29:42] And they're just surrounding area, right?

[1:29:46] But you have, well, pretty come 14,000 acres for 80 lots.

[1:29:53] 8,168,000 lots.

[1:29:55] You have victory branch, 6,200 acres.

[1:30:00] They have an original currency in 700 columns, and they've reduced it to 350.

[1:30:08] I'm not against the Christians and family. I believe in property rights, and I believe that they should benefit from the property rights, but it just seems like this proposal.

[1:30:26] We ought to look at other more realistic annexations than they could appear in that.

[1:30:36] I guess that would be my thank you for taking our time.

[1:30:41] Thank you for taking time to come talk to us and address us.

[1:30:45] Thank you, Mrs. Holmes, I appreciate it.

[1:30:57] I've been here 61 years, and my calendar is bigger, won't be anyone, it's valid, it's IPU's.

[1:31:08] And my interest, I will say it, is that I grew up in a corner of a two-parallel person,

[1:31:14] and Dorothy prison son, and Bob, I am taking him to see his little kids.

[1:31:19] And so both, don't think throw away wherever you're seeing, they are, these long-dosts of

[1:31:25] high-lover friends.

[1:31:26] But I grew up with them, a Dale, who was her son, and he was my best friend, and he died when

[1:31:32] he was in the dirty place.

[1:31:34] But we spent all of her time a little bit about my son's backgrounds for many, many years.

[1:31:41] So, well, practically like that, that's near and near to my heart, much more than somebody

[1:31:47] who lives in St. George and has been led by him.

[1:31:50] He may like the way.

[1:31:51] He can take his right place to maybe build holes to remain low.

[1:31:56] When I'll type up in the hobby point, you'll go up and sit in all the units,

[1:32:01] you can access the school property and hide up on top of there,

[1:32:04] and enjoy the scenery.

[1:32:06] You want to see help and wild animals like we suggested,

[1:32:10] but don't put homes there because I will drive only animals away.

[1:32:14] that. So that was a bunch of money. This is going to be a high-quality thing, but I really

[1:32:21] think it's important. You asked a very important question. Why do you want to be part of it

[1:32:27] than he was in? The answer was given, which is totally what it's about. It's a municipal,

[1:32:34] we want to be part of the municipality. Well, tell me, oh, it was about a million dollars

[1:32:39] up to the doctor like you're in there, they aren't part of the city, they were pretty

[1:32:43] want to count, so it was a time terrible at developing the city, I don't think so.

[1:32:48] They want the annexation, they want, they want to be able to put the board, like I said,

[1:32:54] there was a better job there, they said, well, yes, they want to increase the density, well,

[1:33:00] that's because they made it more money, and there is no demand for that, I know, I'm

[1:33:06] There's no way out there who don't just have to get this into our heart, and you wouldn't be because there's a profitable living venture.

[1:33:14] I'm not out of time.

[1:33:16] I'm not out of time.

[1:33:17] I'm not out of time.

[1:33:18] No, keep going.

[1:33:19] You're good for that.

[1:33:20] I'm not out of time.

[1:33:20] You're good for that.

[1:33:22] The guy's the guy I think is the biggest guy I've ever seen.

[1:33:25] I have a serious problem.

[1:33:26] You can see up there, especially after you're in this dismiss.

[1:33:29] You can get back to that idea.

[1:33:32] They talk about, oh, and at some point we'll have some cheaper places for school teams.

[1:33:38] We're trying to make it with a developer.

[1:33:40] It's a school team.

[1:33:41] We saw a certain enterprise.

[1:33:43] Oh, come on.

[1:33:44] How many of you can have with this community?

[1:33:46] We keep the only things that's little in place for these free stuff.

[1:33:50] It's for a group of people.

[1:33:52] Well, we're in an all-going.

[1:33:54] So we keep talking about one of them as part of the problem.

[1:33:57] We have all the grass I understand that.

[1:33:59] They don't think that we wouldn't have a thing out there, just like we're in no way if I'm

[1:34:05] out in any work, we're about 3 million dollars.

[1:34:10] They talked about being decades away, well, I asked the question, they said, what would it be?

[1:34:17] It's beautiful trails.

[1:34:18] I love mountain, I can hold it open, and that I do, and I do what they're over now, because

[1:34:23] I can get access, but they want to talk about the trails, the parks, the open space,

[1:34:30] these places for people to go go practice and make their activities. Well that's not the route that

[1:34:36] people typically are going to go to participate in an activity in an independent private activity.

[1:34:44] So I don't see that happening. You look at places like bread, like to keep promise open,

[1:34:48] try out to weather, try out, or you can't even get access to it. It says close, permanently, on some

[1:34:54] It's always a trail that they promise, they don't, they don't adhere a lot, and they're

[1:34:58] taking that ace away.

[1:35:00] So, one of these trails and parks are going to be open to governments, all be gathered

[1:35:04] for their own kind of thing.

[1:35:06] So, that bothers me, and then who's going to be responsible for maintaining all of these trails

[1:35:11] and space and parks?

[1:35:14] You know, you know, they're well, who's going to be responsible, it's a city, who's going

[1:35:17] to file all the roads, they're going to go and pop a little hole and pop those peaks in the

[1:35:24] a little bit. You don't want to give it a little bit, let's know if I'll tell you that if you're

[1:35:27] going to be required to make heat, all these roads, then you're going to be getting all those roads.

[1:35:31] And the more we've seen that annex, the more we become responsible, we're going to be talking about,

[1:35:35] what we want to have next, because we get the taxes. Well, if there was the case, it was going to

[1:35:41] have something to do with the New York City, and I think it would be paid to go. But every time the

[1:35:47] annex, my taxes go up. So the annexing that may break some taxes from this update itself,

[1:35:53] When I see they talk about the late-precure illness with the dress as a little bit.

[1:35:59] But the late-precure growth is not in the city.

[1:36:02] So if I don't make the county a perfect talk about whiteening that growth,

[1:36:06] none of your business I certainly have.

[1:36:08] See if it's a comment on it.

[1:36:12] I remember going, but she did a comment about how to have a private part.

[1:36:23] And if county is going to have a private part, it's going to do the MS.

[1:36:27] And I know it was on the position where you did that.

[1:36:29] And so they're going to have to provide all that and that's going to be probably in the city's

[1:36:35] experience.

[1:36:36] Accounting that the Queen was over the MS services fire right now, they kept the Hebrew city

[1:36:41] son and half at the end of the office, they're going to allow that just in

[1:36:47] one of the things

[1:36:48] that I want to bring out, but I just really worried about that project, so it's a grand

[1:36:54] problem.

[1:36:56] No problems.

[1:36:57] How do we get to get to the bottom of the sewer all the time?

[1:37:08] But I am on a question, sir.

[1:37:11] Just like that, quite off.

[1:37:14] They'll handle them very well.

[1:37:19] But especially, they're terrible.

[1:37:21] They're all over the village.

[1:37:22] No one misses them going on.

[1:37:25] And the Christians, they do whatever they want.

[1:37:26] I caught about 80 property, 20 years ago.

[1:37:30] They were offered 15 million dollars

[1:37:32] for 20 years to over that property.

[1:37:35] I've been only imagine what's going on.

[1:37:39] But the point being, he's going to be a hilarious

[1:37:41] There's a place out there packed here and there will be no time

[1:38:03] to do this all night.

[1:38:04] Just think of like around that.

[1:38:07] Okay.

[1:38:08] Who wants to come up and share their comments?

[1:38:13] I'd like to make a comment.

[1:38:16] Big.

[1:38:17] Go ahead.

[1:38:17] Please state your name.

[1:38:18] Ah, yeah.

[1:38:19] This is Christian Thompson and my university resident.

[1:38:22] I just wanted to make a few points.

[1:38:25] You know, I love the point, the owner of a Liberty Ranch talked about having public access and

[1:38:29] more trails and taking care of the canyon. And I think that's great. But I think, you know, we could

[1:38:34] definitely do one better. You can see what Summit County did with the 910 Ranch. That was 8,000

[1:38:39] acres they were able to preserve. A curious, you know, of the Christians, it wouldn't be open to,

[1:38:46] you know, preserving all the land with public access for everyone instead of building.

[1:38:51] Has there been any discussions on that?

[1:38:53] I'm putting a bond, another open land, a bond on the boat in November,

[1:39:06] or they'll have

[1:39:07] to work on the details of the annexation, this is just expanding the annexation map at this

[1:39:12] point.

[1:39:14] And then we'll back to annexation.

[1:39:15] I think Kieber City has made a few mistakes in the past, especially with the North Village

[1:39:20] village annexations. You know, I think, you know, well, with the gentleman talked about before,

[1:39:27] as we've been waiting years and years for public trails to be built. Specifically,

[1:39:31] red ledges, they haven't finished building out their trails. You know, if we can change some of

[1:39:35] our annexation requirements, so that the trails are built first, you can see this is worked

[1:39:38] great in other developments like Blue Sage. You know, and I just urge the, you know, planning

[1:39:44] commission to reject this annexation, or make sure the city's annexation policy is not to put

[1:39:51] density out away from the center of the city. We should have density downtown. We should build up

[1:39:56] not do urban sprawl. That ends up being more expensive for everyone with sewer and infrastructure

[1:40:01] and services. That's it for me. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:40:09] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:40:15] I'm a fifth generation property owner and the value I've been here my entire life.

[1:40:21] No, the Christians and family haul cheap on to the property for Harold.

[1:40:25] And I think they should be able to do something with it, but I don't think it belongs in

[1:40:30] hebersetting.

[1:40:31] I recently brought 30 acres, it's clearly called slurs in the corner.

[1:40:37] And on the south boundary is Waseck County and on my west boundary is Waseck County, as

[1:40:43] as well as you dot, so it's a perfect opportunity to shut any further than or fills down,

[1:40:49] and I was turned down without even any reconsideration. Not only now, I've got a free way,

[1:40:54] I'm going to have a free way on one side, and a high school on the other.

[1:43:18] It does happen everywhere, because like it's more organic, it starts at the center and grows out.

[1:43:23] This is a jump way out. This is, I think the question about, you know, are you going to

[1:43:33] This is not part of Hebrew City.

[1:43:35] This is very disjoined.

[1:43:36] Access is through the county.

[1:43:38] I'm out there.

[1:43:39] We're in the county.

[1:43:40] We're squarely in the county.

[1:43:41] We don't.

[1:43:42] We recognize we're not in Hebrew City.

[1:43:44] And don't get to enjoy all the benefits of being in the city.

[1:43:47] There's benefits to being in the county and up near nature.

[1:43:51] And the agricultural heritage that is there.

[1:43:55] And I think, you know, what's been mentioned.

[1:43:57] There's this kind of virtual idea that it's in the best interest to the public and the city.

[1:44:00] I don't think that there's been a very solid case built for that.

[1:44:05] I think there's interest for certain individuals, certain parties involved.

[1:44:09] And that's, you know, that's certainly understandable.

[1:44:11] But I don't think the case has been built for a widespread general interest for many, many things involved.

[1:44:18] So, thank you.

[1:44:19] Chairman and others.

[1:44:20] Thank you.

[1:44:21] Appreciate your comments.

[1:44:27] Okay.

[1:44:28] Screen.

[1:44:31] Screen.

[1:44:31] And a lot of said, County Council, I hesitate to speak, because I don't know what's been

[1:44:34] covered already.

[1:44:36] We had other meetings.

[1:44:36] And I got here quick because I code that just a couple of things.

[1:44:40] I'd like to just point out that on your staff report for this meeting tonight refers to a further

[1:44:46] discussion between the city and the county in our interlocal meeting on January 15th.

[1:44:52] It was listed as December 12th, but it's not Thursday.

[1:44:55] But anyway, so to me, that's a reason that we slow down.

[1:45:00] We sit back and take a look at it. One other piece of information I found this afternoon, Mike Coler, has been in contact.

[1:45:07] He's talked with the representative who came up and spoke to us. And there's a peer to be some wide discrepancies between what

[1:45:15] filos, tell on us, and what set that is indicating. He indicated Mr. Coler that

[1:45:21] set that did not recommend any specific density. The filo represented even the October 22nd

[1:45:29] hearing with you gentlemen indicated that set the wanted eight units per acre, which is

[1:45:35] 5700 homes on that 720 acres. That's a big discrepancy. I think we need to slow down,

[1:45:42] work with the parties involved. I suspect something will happen there, but we need to slow down and make sure it happens in the right way.

[1:45:51] So thank you.

[1:45:52] Thank you Mr. Curtain, I appreciate your comments.

[1:46:08] By the time Todd Anderson,

[1:46:17] I'm body here at the city and I get a feeling that it is done

[1:46:22] out of fear.

[1:46:24] I get a feeling that we just, this implication, that somebody is going to be able to build

[1:46:28] more allows the humans over here, you know, and it's this end.

[1:46:32] We suddenly have no control over it, I'm going to go ahead and build, and that by annexing

[1:46:38] this end, we'll be able to control it, we'll be able to work with that, and get that development

[1:46:44] to come up. I really hate developers come in and ask for ten times what they want.

[1:46:49] I hope so, they get a tempo. I remember who getting everything they want.

[1:46:54] And getting the councils to then go over backwards, civic come in.

[1:46:59] And I think we've made these huge annexations.

[1:47:03] But we don't have any control over it.

[1:47:06] I don't think any of the questions, counting, broad end.

[1:47:10] We're answering. I think.

[1:47:12] Yes, we can get to work.

[1:47:14] Yes, we can get to sort of a figure it out.

[1:47:17] Yes, the road fails even before we come in.

[1:47:20] How does that an answer that says we're going to make it

[1:47:23] better by an intensity?

[1:47:26] And finally, I think what needs to be will bring these things in,

[1:47:30] we should draw a little boxes that represent all of the houses that we go in.

[1:47:35] All that land, rather than getting us a pretty green picture.

[1:47:39] It's all here to the dark rate, and it's open, and here's the light rate, and you don't have houses.

[1:47:44] I don't think there's any representation, anybody who looks at that, so much of Ashley.

[1:47:52] Thank you, Mr. Anderson.

[1:48:02] Okay.

[1:48:05] I'll look ask again, anybody else interested in approaching the branch?

[1:48:09] I mean, not the bench. Sorry, I'm not a judge.

[1:48:14] I'm a director of my life star, I'm a family, she's a Lindsey, so I haven't been in a

[1:48:21] not way, I have a lot of connections here, we can get 20 years, we started out in the county

[1:48:25] and we moved here in the city and you know we've seen the growth that's happening and I appreciate

[1:48:32] all the comments of people that it seems like we really need to be great song. We're growing

[1:48:39] You don't have the infrastructure at the end, we don't have a client, so we're talking about

[1:48:45] full and how many houses, you know, traffic, car coming in, down from there, down

[1:48:52] all these roads, we don't have that. There's no way. And again, the affordability, there's no way

[1:48:59] that there's going to be any time affordable housing up there. Soon as it goes up, they put it in

[1:49:04] anywhere, like they set up here on the North End. It's our 1.2 million. I wish I'd

[1:49:11] encourage to put the breaks on as far as annexation and really look at our

[1:49:16] value to change dramatically. We've been here 28 years. It's not the same place

[1:49:21] I understand that. We sold our property. We had out in the labor to carry it because

[1:49:26] we had to, but it's growing much faster than we needed to. I was thinking you need to

[1:49:32] We'll see now that everything's encouraging up on us all around and we need to reserve a little bit more.

[1:49:39] Appreciate it.

[1:49:40] Thank you.

[1:49:42] Thank you.

[1:49:54] That's all around.

[1:49:54] Okay.

[1:49:55] Let's go with the online person and then if you'll just hang on just a second and then we'll

[1:49:59] left the online.

[1:50:00] Okay.

[1:50:00] Go ahead.

[1:50:02] State your name and

[1:50:09] PMT.

[1:50:10] If you want to go ahead and go now, the time is now yours.

[1:50:13] Please state your name and your affiliation and then your comments.

[1:50:23] Don't forget to unmute.

[1:50:24] I've

[1:50:28] made some wonderful operations when I forgot to mute.

[1:50:32] Okay?

[1:50:34] Not hearing anything.

[1:50:35] We'll go ahead and go with the person here who's here in life.

[1:50:38] So, go ahead, sir.

[1:50:40] My name is Greg Portie.

[1:50:42] I've lived here for 20 years.

[1:50:45] I'm a small business owner here in Hebrew City.

[1:50:49] So, of course, the more people that move in,

[1:50:52] the greater potential I have to make more money in my business.

[1:50:56] However, a few people have said quality of life.

[1:51:02] When I drive down from Mayflower, and I look at our beautiful valley,

[1:51:07] and I see a brown cloud almost every time I drive in,

[1:51:12] whether there's an inversion or not,

[1:51:15] I start to worry about our quality of life.

[1:51:18] I think Hebrew City is annexing at a very fast pace, so beating a dead horse I think putting

[1:51:30] a brakes on or at least responsible growth is more important to me than making another

[1:51:39] maximum amount of money in my business.

[1:51:43] Density, in my opinion, belongs in the city, the city limits.

[1:51:50] I don't think Annex property, five miles outside of the city, is city limits.

[1:51:58] Affordable housing has been talked about.

[1:52:02] If we are talking about adding three or 5,000 new homes, the traffic is there, but fire,

[1:52:13] schools, we're building a brand new school, already in Hebrew City, will we need another

[1:52:20] high school up on the hill up there, so as a as a concern citizen, I just ask you, our leaders

[1:52:28] are elected officials to plan responsible gross.

[1:52:37] Thank you.

[1:52:38] Thank you.

[1:52:41] Okay.

[1:52:41] Mr. Team T, T, T, or she.

[1:52:51] Change your mind.

[1:52:52] I hope not.

[1:52:53] That's scary.

[1:52:58] All right.

[1:52:59] Does anyone else would like to approach the commission and address the commission at this time?

[1:53:10] Okay.

[1:53:11] With that then I'll go ahead and close the public hearing portion of this meeting.

[1:53:15] Thank you for your comments.

[1:53:18] You brought up some really good information and really good points for us to consider.

[1:53:27] I do this every once in a while.

[1:53:30] I apologize but please forgive me but I gotta do it anyway.

[1:53:33] So, part of the reason that we go through these steps and the reasons that we do these things

[1:53:39] is because, yes, the land owner has a right to do what their property is a C-fit, right?

[1:53:51] And I fully believe in property rights, our country's founded on property rights that's paramount

[1:53:59] However, the reason that we have these types of meetings because when that landowner chooses to alter the current use, that creates impact on the people, and at that point that impact now becomes a public issue and not just a property rights issue.

[1:54:30] And so that's why the petitioner comes to the city leaders to start working through those steps.

[1:54:41] The initial step here is to determine whether or not it is in the public's best interest,

[1:54:53] expand the boundaries of cybersecurity to include this land or not.

[1:55:00] It's a great comment made a few minutes ago about sometimes being concerned about what may be developed.

[1:55:09] That's a great comment because that is a concern sometimes.

[1:55:13] But then counteracting that, of course, there's also decided that that may be why a developer comes to the city because they're looking for additional development.

[1:55:21] So there's a lot of issues here that come into play.

[1:55:25] We have worked with Wash H County over the past several years, and so we're looking at

[1:55:33] the densities that they've created, so there's a lot of issues that have to be addressed.

[1:55:37] Planning Commission have some big decisions to make.

[1:55:43] As a tradition, when we have issues that are this magnitude, and this is a big deal.

[1:55:49] 4,000 acres is no small golf course, this is a big deal.

[1:55:54] So, these comments, emailed comments will be provided to the commission,

[1:56:02] and then for the next period of time.

[1:56:05] We'll mow this over and decide.

[1:56:08] I would advise counter-admonish commissioners that we're looking at what is best

[1:56:14] for the community and not necessarily your own personal interest

[1:56:18] As we weigh this out, when you lay these meetings or delay that decision, so there's the

[1:56:23] motion isn't there and also so that we have a chance to really look at all the issues,

[1:56:28] and then we'll make that decision rather to move forward.

[1:56:31] At this stage, the planning commission will either forward a positive or a negative recommendation

[1:56:37] to the city council.

[1:56:39] We're just a recommending body, and at that point the city council will take it up.

[1:56:44] In light of the fact that we have an interlocal meeting scheduled for January 15th, I believe is that correct, I think that's right.

[1:56:52] So Kendall is that correct, I believe that's right.

[1:56:55] I apologize, Mr. Curtin.

[1:56:58] I try to be a gentleman, but I'm not always a very good gentleman, but anyway.

[1:57:04] So I would like to recommend that we at least delay that decision until after that interlocal meeting.

[1:57:11] So we have a chance to sit down and the government's, yeah.

[1:57:17] The governing bodies, or however you want to call that,

[1:57:20] can talk about some of the issues,

[1:57:23] because there are tons of issues that are involved

[1:57:25] in this program.

[1:57:31] Mr. Corridor, do you have anything else you'd like to

[1:57:33] advise at Monning's?

[1:57:39] All right, what's our next meeting after the 15th January?

[1:57:43] the next meeting is on December 24th. Dennis said he's willing to come in.

[1:57:51] I will, I'll even wear my red suit. But I will not wear that beard about Gagsby.

[1:57:56] Unfortunately he'll be here alone.

[1:57:58] Right. So I think it's, it's January 10th.

[1:58:02] Well, our next meeting where we would discuss this for going to wait until after that interlocal.

[1:58:06] Two weeks later, the 20th January.

[1:58:09] Was that day?

[1:58:10] of 14, okay?

[1:58:16] 15. So we have a plan and commission meeting on January 14.

[1:58:22] Correct. Interlocal is on 15. Then there is a staff budget workshop and retreat on Saturday,

[1:58:33] the 18th, 16th. Yeah, no, it's Thursday, 1916. And it's Saturday, 18th.

[1:58:40] are regularly scheduled. January meeting would be in the 20s,

[1:58:45] lighter 20s. Yeah. It'll be Tuesday the 28th. So let's bring it back

[1:58:52] then. So that's when we put it on our calendar. So just, so that people

[1:58:59] understand everybody understands what we would do at that meeting then is that

[1:59:03] the subject will come back up. We can discuss it. And then one of three things

[1:59:08] can happen. Either the planning commission will make a positive recommendation to the city council

[1:59:15] to continue or a negative recommendation to the city council or continue it for further information

[1:59:21] gathering. Okay. Does that make sense? Everybody? Okay. All right. Should I use my gap?

[1:59:30] No, we're going to go back to those just now. I just want to make sure everybody understands what

[1:59:34] the plan is one to three all right thank you everyone for your comments thank you for

[1:59:40] helping us make these live in that interesting decisions

[1:59:46] yes how we have number two on the agenda yes

[1:59:50] item number two so thank you for coming everyone want to stay for more thrills and chills

[2:00:01] Thanks Doug. It's a great opportunity to see how your government works or doesn't work as a case, maybe.

[2:00:17] Luke, thanks.

[2:00:20] So if you're going to go out in the hall, I would ask you to remember we have a public meeting going on in here, so please don't fuck super loud.

[2:00:52] All right, let's go ahead and move back on to our item number two. So this'll be a

[2:00:59] consider a recommendation for the Wellberg Kruger annexation located at 3725 Lake Creek Road

[2:01:06] parcel number 707-8563.

[2:01:14] Okay guys, back in session. Mr. Baron, I'm sorry to

[2:01:20] spring that on you, but we're ready for you.

[2:01:26] So now we are on

[2:01:27] nine of number two

[2:01:34] and the time is now yours sir.

[2:01:41] So I'm just asking to be

[2:01:42] quiet in the hallway. We can't really shut the door because it's an open meeting.

[2:01:49] I

[2:01:52] can't use out authority.

[2:01:56] Thanks for showing up, Mike.

[2:01:59] Okay, go ahead.

[2:02:00] Thanks, Chairman.

[2:02:01] Thank you.

[2:02:03] I'll figure out who is the property owner.

[2:02:05] He's here representing the wellberg and for your annexation.

[2:02:10] This can jump to the property here.

[2:02:14] This parcel is over 300 acres and it's just east of red ledges.

[2:02:19] This property was petitioned to be annexed into the city a year or so ago.

[2:02:29] And the portion of this property actually was pulled in with the Jordanell Ridge annexation.

[2:02:33] The rest of this was not in the annexation policy plan.

[2:02:37] The original owner was proposing somewhere around was proposing considerably more density.

[2:02:44] And since then they've sold that to Mr. Kruger who wants to essentially divide this into two lots,

[2:02:50] one fifty acre lot, and then the other is two hundred acres.

[2:02:54] And then there's a thirty acre dedication parcel to the trail for red ledges, open that flat here.

[2:03:04] So here you can see the two lots.

[2:03:05] And so given this density, the county, or the county, the city council actually amended the policy plan to permit to allow for the conversation of annexation and so that's what we're here to do.

[2:03:18] And the application applicants looking for positive recommendation staffs recommending a positive recommendation.

[2:03:24] In looking at our general plan and zoning, we are recommending the mountain communities

[2:03:30] own, but with the stipulations of that they are going to get the two lots and then you have

[2:03:34] the 38th reparsal that would be turned over to red ledges.

[2:03:38] Some of the history on that trail is red ledges through their development agreement, has had

[2:03:43] a requirement to build that trail on the east side.

[2:03:46] However, the current trail they have doesn't meet the topography or the slope requirements,

[2:03:51] So it's a very steep and they've been talking to former owners for a while about trying to get an easement so they could meet some of those

[2:03:59] those grades and now Mr. Kruger saying look I'll I'll do this 30 acres two red legislate access through yours so I can I can do these two lots. So

[2:04:09] with that

[2:04:11] going to staff report

[2:04:13] Mount community zones there's a couple

[2:04:17] requirements. We're giving, we're recommending positive recommendation for the findings that it's in the

[2:04:22] annexation policy boundary meets a state code and the general plan. So we want it to be mountain

[2:04:28] community zone, the trail property to be dedicated to the HOA with the timing of the plot,

[2:04:35] whether that's before, but no later than the plot there and however that is to be done.

[2:04:40] the property is going to be entitled to the two lots access to that property comes through

[2:04:46] red ledges. Any required utility services, if they request that, might understand right now,

[2:04:51] is that they want to do a septic and a well, but if they needed, and they would be

[2:04:56] service through red ledges and twin creeks, but service district. And then any of the successors

[2:05:03] basically would can applicant compliance with city policies, ordinances, processes,

[2:05:09] typical boilerplate language seven is an eight or boilerplate language as well for

[2:05:14] engineering to say the master plan for structure elements which there's really

[2:05:18] not much up here but basically any of these utilities they would need would be

[2:05:23] installed by the applicant to support their need and then the city engineer

[2:05:28] requirements to be met prior to final development so making sure they need

[2:05:32] any of our standards but with that we're recommending

[2:05:36] Recommendate positive recommendation to the city council and I said the applicant Mr. Cursh here to speak to any questions that you might have

[2:05:44] Thank you

[2:05:45] Okay, I'll go ahead. I do have some questions, but I'll go ahead and turn the time to the applicant go ahead and address the commission first before I do that

[2:06:05] Thanks for put me after that because I

[2:06:08] Would rather be nowhere than here at that so

[2:06:13] Oh, we were nice

[2:06:14] Yeah, we're here to basically build a single family home.

[2:06:23] My name is Paul Krueger.

[2:06:25] I've been a valley here for a long time, grew up in Orm,

[2:06:29] and falling in love with the Hebrew Valley

[2:06:31] to come up here with Snow Billions as a young kid

[2:06:34] and always want to live here and be a property owner.

[2:06:38] And as you guys know, that's become increasingly a challenge

[2:06:41] and so this is kind of a dream come true property for me.

[2:06:45] know intention to develop it or be nice to make a little money on it, but unfortunately

[2:06:50] it's just going to be the most expensive undertaking in my life, but I do feel really good

[2:06:58] about the trail situation that's a public trail that a lot of people use that's going to be

[2:07:03] maintained right now they're sort of working on a loose easement agreement and yeah I'd love to

[2:07:11] answer any questions, we were pretty early in this thing, but we do plan on just, again, just

[2:07:18] having kind of agricultural environment up there with the single time of the home.

[2:07:25] Okay, thank you.

[2:07:28] I guess I, please forgive me if I sound like I'm completely out in the left field here.

[2:07:37] But is this already in our annexation policy?

[2:07:40] Yes, that was amended earlier this year.

[2:07:42] Okay. I was like, okay. Okay. My apologies. I've seen so many things. I'm starting to get twisted on what's what and what's not what. Yeah.

[2:07:54] Okay. So this is already in our annexation plan. So we don't have to amend the annexation map to accommodate this.

[2:08:01] Did. And that's, but that's already been completed at this point. Okay. So you're just talking about actual annexation.

[2:08:07] And this is just for a single family home.

[2:08:09] Do you single family home plots, yep.

[2:08:12] All right. Thank you. Sorry.

[2:08:13] I don't mean to sound like when we have a lot.

[2:08:17] We have a lot going and I get it.

[2:08:20] I'm almost 60.

[2:08:22] We.

[2:08:24] So in the mcc.

[2:08:26] You're going to have one unit per acre.

[2:08:29] If you have sewer services and one unit per five acres.

[2:08:32] If it's septic.

[2:08:33] That's just what the basic density her zoning is for in mountain community, correct?

[2:08:40] So would there be the ability to do that in the future one of these parcels or?

[2:08:45] So that would be up to the council, the recommendation right now is that in the annexation agreement we would just

[2:08:51] We would live at the density to the two under contractual agreement under the annexation we have the ability to do that.

[2:08:58] If the council felt like they wanted to allow for that density to be at base zoning, they could do that if they wanted.

[2:09:06] But all the conversations we've had, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's been just these two lots.

[2:09:17] So.

[2:09:17] document that was negotiated with Red Ledges to have access to the property.

[2:09:20] It's been this property's been landlocked for a number of years.

[2:09:24] And within that document, the trail parcel, the 30 acres or whatever that was a part

[2:09:32] of it.

[2:09:33] And then the deed restriction to the two home sites is also in that document.

[2:09:38] So Red Ledges doesn't want more homes on that property?

[2:09:49] Are you planning on doing an on-site system or are you going to connect on to the, unfortunately, our road is going to be pretty long.

[2:09:57] So we're going to have to be on a septic and well, and I'd like to run power up there from, but their roads that give me access are still yet to be completed.

[2:10:09] So, you know, talk to that well about that, but I think I think eventually we'll have run power everything else will be, you know, just.

[2:10:18] Self-system.

[2:10:22] All right. How are your any questions for our applicant or for

[2:10:25] counselor staff?

[2:10:31] So this is up for approval. So the record positive

[2:10:36] recommendation I would in the chain of motion should someone be so bold. I'll make a

[2:10:40] motion. I'm just going to go ahead. I moved forward a positive recommendation of

[2:10:46] the Wellberg Kruger annexation with the findings and conditions outlined in the

[2:10:54] Second, I have a motion in a second. Is there any discussion on the motion at this time? Go now.

[2:11:00] Okay, hearing none. We'll go ahead and call for a vote. All those in favor say aye.

[2:11:04] Hi.

[2:11:05] Are any opposed?

[2:11:07] Hey, hearing none, the motion carries unanimous. Thank you. Good luck.

[2:11:11] There's that step down.

[2:11:14] All right, and with that, I believe that is the end of our entertainment for the evening.

[2:11:26] Yeah,

[2:11:32] I'll come back. Thank you for coming.

[2:11:36] Would you email us this?

[2:11:38] There were several. You might say.

[2:11:46] Oh, number.

[2:11:47] So the email Michelle's referencing is about an invitation to the yearly retreat with the council,

[2:11:54] as well as the council is requesting that you be present at the Jew January 7 Council meeting

[2:12:02] to do your yearly kind of presentation for maybe some of your achievements are as well as some of your goals and the things that you feel are important for the upcoming year as

[2:12:12] prior to going into their retreat. So all the boards and the city you're going to be there at that night giving their

[2:12:21] what they feel is really strategy items and work.

[2:12:27] Doesn't this say have to be everybody but somebody from the finding commission to represent there are a couple of you on the seventh yeah January 7

[2:12:34] Oh

[2:12:42] But data's in

[2:12:45] Should be a Wednesday

[2:12:47] Proposed to

[2:12:49] It's a Tuesday. We're gonna have to combat converse with staff. I don't know while we've done as far regular stuff

[2:12:55] I don't know that we really

[2:13:01] There's things that you like codes or

[2:13:03] projects that you feel like

[2:13:06] Good, not ready for you. We rebuild a lot of stuff.

[2:13:12] We just say, was this forward looking or backward looking forward? Well, it's both. It's saying, hey, here's what we got done this year. We totally revamped everything.

[2:13:20] And then, so you can talk about that, everything. And then, say that it's moving forward. Here's what we would like to work on.

[2:13:29] So last year I believe that, sorry, Mr. Chair, may make a comment.

[2:13:32] I think we asked John to help us with sort of what he and you with a staff think we should be working on in terms of co-

[2:13:45] future updates and code amendments. So we would ask you to prepare a response to that. So if that's okay.

[2:13:56] And we know that that will not be small, because we have some issues that have unresolved if you might have a major.

[2:14:03] We have a lot to do.

[2:14:05] As far as looking backwards, we're talking backwards.

[2:14:08] We want to summarize what we've covered in the last year, because I can't remember.

[2:14:11] What is that?

[2:14:12] Go ahead of me.

[2:14:13] Go ahead of me.

[2:14:13] We have a lot of records there.

[2:14:18] I love people.

[2:14:19] So we can ask them to take a look at that.

[2:14:21] where he's helped you looking retroactive or in the past of the year, what we've accomplished.

[2:14:26] Right. But if you guys want to establish some goals, I think that's the primary thing is

[2:14:31] we have to establish and goals. What are your goals for the next year? What are the big strategy things

[2:14:35] that you think we need to be working on? And that's and kind of presenting that to the council

[2:14:39] getting some of that council feedback. Now I wasn't trying to make a cop-out. I mean, let's face facts.

[2:14:44] When we had a lot of code amendments for you in the middle of quite a bit, I think it was very clear

[2:14:49] what we had ahead of us, my question for you, Damian, and staff is, you know, are we done with that

[2:14:56] or do we have more work ahead of us next year?

[2:15:01] There will be some, ahead of us, as we educate pivot, I think one of those that will probably be coming back to you in the near future, we short-term rentals for revisiting that right now with some of the potential changes, and let's see our A were working on. We also have the overlay zone. We have a lot of stuff coming. Yeah, I think the overlay zone's been through public hearing with you guys already.

[2:15:30] Yes. Yes. I remember right. I could be wrong. Yes. You forward the recommendation and the council is looking at that right now. Yes. There's probably some other things that we're. Is that coming back to us?

[2:15:42] If not, if not at this time, I don't think.

[2:15:48] So for me to recommendations, probably unlikely, but unless the council says it back.

[2:15:52] The council sent it back a couple of weeks ago.

[2:15:57] Yeah, I don't remember.

[2:15:58] Daycare, we're looking at some amendments for daycares.

[2:16:01] We're probably going to be looking at some other strategic modifications.

[2:16:05] And then there's always the unknown yet.

[2:16:10] Right.

[2:16:10] the state legislature makes us change and so that's like here's how I think we should

[2:16:15] proceed with that. We have the email that we get when Michelle sends her. Why don't you

[2:16:19] over the next few days or so, just let your mind mull around and even if you send 10 emails

[2:16:24] who care. Just jot down a thought, shoot it off, just reply all. Then that way we've got about there

[2:16:31] where we can think about. Does that sound like a good idea? Does there's a ton of stuff coming

[2:16:36] that we can still do that we need to do.

[2:16:38] We need to do this last year.

[2:16:40] No, kind of yes.

[2:16:42] One thing too is make sure you guys,

[2:16:44] because girls, the girls,

[2:16:46] but because staff estimates,

[2:16:48] sorry, I didn't mean that that way.

[2:16:49] I mean, because you know who's doing it,

[2:16:51] we're not that dumb.

[2:16:53] We know who does it.

[2:16:54] We need to keep track and make sure we've all got our four hours training this year.

[2:16:59] So make sure you have it.

[2:17:04] Why, right?

[2:17:05] Did I, I think I'm there, but I'm not sure, but it's good stuff.

[2:17:11] I sort of, I started it. Did you remember? Like,

[2:17:15] we did a lot of work to do. I just have one other issue that I'd like to address and discuss,

[2:17:20] really quick. And I bring this up for educational purposes and for you to keep in the back of your mind.

[2:17:29] A number of years ago, I guess it's been because it seems like stuff like that happens now. I've been

[2:17:34] for a while but we had a business approach to the city and on the south end of Main Street

[2:17:43] on the east side and we asked them to move their building front back because there was a natural

[2:17:51] line from the front of the hub. Oh yeah kind of went around through UCCU and we said hey we want

[2:17:57] we want to have that zone right there on that side of the road where the front of the buildings are

[2:18:03] back off Main Street to create that natural flow. It's kind of our entry corridor we want that to look nice.

[2:18:11] I came flying off the highway from being down to Southern Utah one day. I almost wrecked when I saw

[2:18:16] they were building a building right out in the right almost on Main Street. You don't almost have to

[2:18:20] drive around and scratch your windows. I'm like, how did that happen? Why is that building

[2:18:26] sicking out there like a sore thumb, let's see why wife has the ordinance. The problem

[2:18:31] what happened is this, and I will take responsibility for it. We did not follow through and

[2:18:37] make sure that that was written into the code. And so when staff has that come in, it used

[2:18:45] to come before the planning commission. So the planning commission would address that. But

[2:18:49] since then, things have changed. We didn't have it in the code. So the staff wasn't required

[2:18:55] put it back. They actually were required to put it out front because that was how the code is written.

[2:19:02] And so as a result, we wound up where we had actually asked natural grossers to push

[2:19:07] theirs back when they wanted it up there to begin with. We asked them to push it back,

[2:19:13] but because of that change in the legislature, it didn't come before the planning commission.

[2:19:17] And so that was dropped and we wound up with that building sticking right out there on the mean

[2:19:22] on the road and it completely wouldn't, doesn't fit.

[2:19:27] So if I can make a couple of comments on that, um,

[2:19:30] I'm worried about what it's for you. And I think a lot of this conversation took place just before

[2:19:34] because I got here, because National Grocers was under construction, but I looked into the

[2:19:39] ordinance on that and the ordinance made an allowance for National Grocer, but it didn't,

[2:19:45] it didn't, but the rest of it required. Essentially, this one didn't have the meat the same standard

[2:19:50] it to allow them to be pushed back.

[2:19:53] Um, but so whatever, whatever, I don't know how it got written or at their house proposed

[2:19:59] in the code amendment.

[2:20:00] I should know the way it's written and it did come to the planning commission for site plan

[2:20:04] approval, uh, this body approved it, but it because it met the code, it was administrative.

[2:20:10] And if you did.

[2:20:11] This wasn't here that day.

[2:20:12] I must not have been here that night.

[2:20:13] So I almost wrecked them like who put that out?

[2:20:16] I'm trying to find what this whole arrangement was to have it set back and forth, but if you have building set back then you have all you have is

[2:20:27] Park looking this front and you have Carl Malone and you have this place in this place with parking and parking and parking and parking and we don't

[2:20:37] Why do we want that? I would rather have the building. I'd rather have the building on the road

[2:20:45] I had the parking lot behind the building.

[2:20:49] I had the parking lot behind the building.

[2:20:51] How does a hub drive?

[2:20:53] What does a sign should be for Eber?

[2:20:56] You have the hub back.

[2:20:58] You have the gas station back the way.

[2:21:01] You have the Ford dealership back.

[2:21:03] You have the Chevy dealership back.

[2:21:05] I know they have cars in front.

[2:21:07] They have all those back and all of a sudden you got this building stuck right on the road

[2:21:11] in the back.

[2:21:12] It's a way out of small, then a set just means that the building out next to the road

[2:21:18] is the only one that's right.

[2:21:19] No, well, that's correct.

[2:21:21] That's according to the code.

[2:21:23] But with the discussion we had that night in that meeting is what we wanted that line to

[2:21:28] stay and flow together so we didn't wind up with the thumbs sticking out there.

[2:21:31] And that meeting.

[2:21:33] Now we have a big thumbs sticking out.

[2:21:35] Do you know how many people have commented about that?

[2:21:38] Oh my, oh yeah.

[2:21:39] I think it's correct.

[2:21:41] Oh, no, I haven't been hearing any good comments about it, but rather have you tell them?

[2:21:48] Isn't it medical officers?

[2:21:50] They're at the parking lot.

[2:21:51] So, the last time I heard anything about that property was supposed to be a car wash.

[2:21:58] So, when I come around there building office building,

[2:22:02] I think it probably got to be a militant.

[2:22:03] And it was very similar to that.

[2:22:05] What the only there was other adjectives that went in behind.

[2:22:08] the other person.

[2:22:12] So here's my thought, another thought too, and that is, because I don't have the context behind all of that, there have been time for you as the recommending body. You've said, here's how we want to do this.

[2:22:23] And I should have been here. I let you guys alone for one meeting and look what you did.

[2:22:29] And I think we got to do it.

[2:22:31] Next one comes up.

[2:22:32] to tell you the take vacation.

[2:22:36] As a recommending body, sometimes when you recommend an ordinance

[2:22:40] change, the adopting body, the council will legislate a body, doesn't always agree, they change it.

[2:22:47] And they change it because that is their prerogative as a policymaking. We've never seen examples of that.

[2:22:53] One of those examples was we had two of our planning commissioners, your architects work on

[2:23:00] building materials and design requirements and specifically around metal and some of these

[2:23:07] other fire minutes, we went to the council and the council had a different opinion and they

[2:23:12] actually modified that code recommendation. So which in some of these other things and we

[2:23:17] talked about zone changes, that's why we started doing that kind of council report to you guys.

[2:23:22] And so the main purpose of my bring in this up is just if there's things that you guys want

[2:23:27] see done in the code, we got to fall through it.

[2:23:30] Sure.

[2:23:31] And that's why I bring this up.

[2:23:33] Especially what we're talking about, some of the changes with the downtown and all

[2:23:36] this up, make sure if it's something you got an issue with, make sure we get it into

[2:23:41] the code otherwise.

[2:23:44] It decounts who make the metal things better or worse.

[2:23:47] Robert agrees with that.

[2:23:48] It's a great idea on a wonderful idea.

[2:23:51] You already know mine.

[2:23:52] I was it was opposite I read it was worse worse got it in the eyes of what the probably of the planning

[2:24:02] Commissioner that point is at the time right and it's obviously a different council than we have today so it's a

[2:24:08] You know that's how the nature of

[2:24:11] local politics work so

[2:24:14] But moving to the point is hey if we see something easy fix. Let's talk about it and if it's really important to you

[2:24:21] Bring it forward, make a recommendation, and if, and I think they're, sometimes it may be appropriate to attend the council meeting when they talk about it, so you can share some of the thoughts.

[2:24:31] As the collective thoughts of this board or this commission.

[2:24:36] So we can revisit ordinances too, right?

[2:24:39] Absolutely.

[2:24:40] Absolutely.

[2:24:40] Because now you have a different council.

[2:24:43] Vote none of them.

[2:24:44] And, you know, at the time, that was what we wanted to do, that's what, so when I came

[2:24:49] when I see that I was like, wait a minute, I thought we, so there was a lesson for me too,

[2:24:53] because we thought we made that, we wanted to do that, and then it slid through them and totally forgot

[2:24:59] about it, but it was supposed to be codified, and it wasn't. I think it got codified differently,

[2:25:05] then what it sounds like you're saying the planning commission, at least we're recommending.

[2:25:10] They're not, they may have changed it from what we recommended.

[2:25:13] I don't know that. I don't know the answer. I'd have to do a lot of research on that one.

[2:25:16] Well, the thing is, this goes back to this idea and why you have to be really careful

[2:25:23] because a lot of times people will paint a picture in your mind of what they want you to see,

[2:25:30] and then they come in and get an annexation or I'm not calling any specific annexations,

[2:25:37] but I'm saying that that can happen, and then the property gets flipped about six times,

[2:25:42] And then you're thinking this when the next person comes in and the numbers and everything

[2:25:48] It was agreed to or totally different and oh, that isn't what we're going to be going to happen

[2:25:52] So it's very important to keep an eye on what's going on that way because it can happen

[2:25:57] Anyway, that's why I brought it up with this as an educational thing. It's not a

[2:26:01] Nobody's in trouble, but me.

[2:26:03] Well, I think it's your point. This is why we want to talk about these priorities to say hey, if there's something we feel like we need to change

[2:26:09] And we want to study this year for not completing the council about it and let them know, this is our,

[2:26:15] All right, what we're thinking, so that's that's exactly what we're having this conversation for let's revisit all the ordinances that they changed from what we wanted.

[2:26:25] So do you have a council update report for us today.

[2:26:30] What was the question?

[2:26:31] Do you have a council update report for us today?

[2:26:33] I'm not seeing one third.

[2:26:36] I wasn't in our agenda so we can't talk about it.

[2:26:40] It's for where reason the

[2:26:43] it's not showing me anything so.

[2:26:46] I think the only thing that would be relevant for us,

[2:26:49] Jamie, would be to understand the most recent report you made to the council about

[2:26:55] development projects.

[2:27:01] December 3rd, there was a discussion about funding trails maintenance from the Wassets

[2:27:07] Trail's Foundation. There was a recommendation about 300 south and where the trail should be.

[2:27:14] The discussion was proposed that it could on the north side of the street between Main Street

[2:27:19] and 600 West. There was a discussion about maintaining sewer access and lead and other

[2:27:31] development where people built in the floodplain.

[2:27:35] Then Jordan El Ridge, Transportation Master Plan, Amendment was not discussed, even though it was on the agenda it got continued and probably will be on the agenda next week.

[2:28:01] options there's not a lot. There was a discussion about North

[2:28:04] Village crossing, harsh village, there was just a discussion

[2:28:07] no action. I believe that's going to be on the future agenda. And then

[2:28:13] just some discussion on part policy. So, and then the day

[2:28:16] should have retreat, which we sent to you. So, there really wasn't much

[2:28:18] from the last one. I got a break then.

[2:28:21] as development goes. We didn't, we actually didn't do a presentation on this one, but I can tell you

[2:28:29] that we have been seeing a little slowing for the moment, but we have also gotten some additional

[2:28:34] applications. So we kind of just saw a little pause. I'll just slow down a little bit.

[2:28:40] More pause and people kind of waiting. I think some of it was leading up to election where

[2:28:45] of the development or other investment community.

[2:28:48] I was wondering if the interest rates,

[2:28:49] I was wondering if interest rates

[2:28:51] could be enough a little bit or slowing things down or not.

[2:28:54] Does that extent it does for sure?

[2:28:56] Is there still, you know, not like when I bought my first house,

[2:29:03] I didn't mean to sound like an old man not.

[2:29:06] It's also still the thing is what I meant was back then,

[2:29:11] I got 7%, and it was like people were like,

[2:29:14] How did you get that?

[2:29:15] That's incredible.

[2:29:16] You know.

[2:29:17] So I think compared to leave to where we've been in the past with current property values,

[2:29:23] I think that definitely has something to do with it.

[2:29:26] For sure.

[2:29:26] Back then, Dennis, they did have a affordable housing.

[2:29:31] Actually, when I bought my house and people from California had to come up to see if

[2:29:35] you could really live in the house, those actually.

[2:29:39] I'm not kidding.

[2:29:41] The development agreements on the North Village crossing in a harvest village is that already in next to the city.

[2:29:47] No, it's up for annexation.

[2:29:51] And there was 90 minutes put aside. They got a lot of press that got continued.

[2:29:56] Are there any issues that we the planning commission would like to know about?

[2:30:00] I think this issue is right now, would be essentially. So, this one comes through planning commission, almost a last year, the year before things last year. And they've already held the public hearing at planning commission or city council, sorry. And they've been working through the fact that the property changed property hands of ownership.

[2:30:27] The Council was not very supportive of the original plan.

[2:30:31] The new developer, new owner, is recommending a different plan.

[2:30:36] And the challenge right now is there's a lot of discussion revolving around

[2:30:42] you dot in the bypass and how this may impact and the

[2:30:47] the question is, could it impact the outcome of the EIS?

[2:30:51] So that's a lot of where that conversation is going on.

[2:30:53] I believe you have an opinion that these developments do not impact their plans if I read what I read.

[2:31:00] I wasn't in that meeting last time.

[2:31:01] That's what they told the press.

[2:31:05] It's not a development agreement approved, right?

[2:31:08] There is one through the county.

[2:31:10] They actually have a development agreement that I,

[2:31:13] is another ten or so years for the water park that you,

[2:31:18] you guys have probably heard about earlier.

[2:31:20] It was the resort park.

[2:31:21] Yeah, there's a water park in the corner, right there in the corner, the North Village Resort.

[2:31:29] That was under different owners though, right?

[2:31:31] That's correct.

[2:31:32] You owners are saying we would propose to do something other than what was there.

[2:31:36] We've never understood exactly what that is.

[2:31:38] That new proposal hasn't been approved.

[2:31:40] I don't know.

[2:31:41] Let's talk to those students.

[2:31:43] They just, they have, they have entitlements through the county in terms of development.

[2:31:48] on a promise is something the pop day would you get yours about it?

[2:31:51] They were saying the county that had to go through that and build a according to that.

[2:31:57] We'll probably start over.

[2:31:59] This is if they come to the city, they have the ability of depending on what the council wants

[2:32:02] to do to do either one of those two things or the council can change that agreement.

[2:32:07] And right.

[2:32:07] That kind of what Doug Smith was referring to where you at the time of annexation, there's

[2:32:13] also an agreement.

[2:32:14] Yeah.

[2:32:14] It's been about things to show you.

[2:32:15] And typically, we haven't talked about high practice set, here's the agreement to what we expect out of this development.

[2:32:23] So on both sides, the developer wants to, some of the surety that they know that they have a viable project.

[2:32:29] On the city side, we want to know for sure that we get some of the things that we need to ensure that the impact are mitigated or other.

[2:32:36] There could be further negotiations or changes after the annexation from that agreement.

[2:32:43] So anything that's legislative can always be brought up.

[2:32:48] Sometimes in this, I think, it was to the point of Chairman Gun.

[2:32:51] If someone were to get his own change agreement, just in general,

[2:32:54] let's not talk annexation.

[2:32:56] And then also in the decide, this really isn't what we want to do.

[2:32:58] We want to change it and do a different zone change agreement.

[2:33:00] They can always petition that.

[2:33:02] You know, it's petition a legislative change.

[2:33:04] So if they get annexed in, the other things that some cities do in the state

[2:33:09] and it's not been a practice of Hebrew city,

[2:33:12] but they'll annex them in at, say, an ag or whatever the zoning is.

[2:33:17] And then they'll have negotiations later

[2:33:19] and go through a zone change process.

[2:33:22] They say, oh, access station on the public.

[2:33:23] Let's do it up front, so that we all have an understanding.

[2:33:27] We're probably in the strongest standing

[2:33:29] to do that during annexation, as opposed to later on.

[2:33:33] But it still has to be done.

[2:33:34] If they want to change anything else, it goes to the public from all the same steps.

[2:33:38] If they want to change anything that is a policy or law, then they have to go.

[2:33:44] There are minor things that they can change that doesn't really affect those.

[2:33:50] Is this relevant to the hearing we had today?

[2:33:54] This particular annexation now, we're talking about a separate.

[2:33:58] This is the one out on River Road.

[2:34:01] Yeah, I'm just asking about the methodology.

[2:34:04] Well, methodology, yes.

[2:34:05] We would do the same thing.

[2:34:06] We would say.

[2:34:07] That's what Tony said about 10 or 15 minutes here and then 10 minutes there or whatever that one was but that there's no annexation

[2:34:15] at River Road right on the west side of the road

[2:34:18] Yes, sir, that's what we're talking about yeah, that's harvest village and crossings

[2:34:22] It's not been annexed approved by the council yet, but they're having those conversations. That's what I'm saying it hasn't been annexed

[2:34:29] But it is something I'm Tuesday next week

[2:34:33] In our policy plan, they've gone through the process, they're at the tele into the process on that one.

[2:34:38] This one that we're talking about, that you talk about tonight, if the city adopts a modification of the annexation policy plan,

[2:34:46] then, yes, later on, down the road you would have an annex, if you petition the whole same process,

[2:34:54] agreements, my understanding is there not a development agreement on that.

[2:35:01] So really the only way we're going to see any further detail on that is to approve expanding

[2:35:07] the area of annexation.

[2:35:09] Yeah, that's on the extent, and yeah, which is kind of the process, so it's technically

[2:35:14] built.

[2:35:15] They want you to enact except before you waste public dollars on managing it.

[2:35:19] I have any questions you have?

[2:35:21] I would just, my only caution for the moment is where that, that I was being closed, I would

[2:35:27] probably not continue to discuss this one,

[2:35:30] because it's already been addressed to them.

[2:35:31] Yeah, and we're not discussing the process, not the actual.

[2:35:34] I'm going to make sure we're appreciating the guidance.

[2:35:38] Okay, with that, we got some folks here.

[2:35:40] This is also possibly the, yeah,

[2:35:42] so this is the mood of the room.

[2:35:45] There's these various annexations all happening,

[2:35:48] and that's why we might be getting a little bit of some

[2:35:51] bruising from the fact that we're being accused

[2:35:54] of annexing everything and anybody.

[2:35:57] Mr. Chair, I have a motion.

[2:36:00] I would in your can of motion.

[2:36:02] I move to adjourn and Merry Christmas Happy New Year.

[2:36:10] Oh, I can't.

[2:36:12] Okay.

[2:36:12] Let's go.

[2:36:13] Seconds.

[2:36:14] All of us in favor, say aye.

[2:36:16] Happy New Year.

[2:36:17] Motion.

[2:36:17] Passage unions.

[2:36:18] Thank you.

[2:36:19] Aye.

[2:36:19] And thank you, staff, for the gifts.

[2:36:22] Merry Christmas, everybody.

[2:36:24] Thank you for the staff.

[2:36:25] Thank you for hospitality this year.

[2:36:27] Thank you for lunches and

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