[0:00] 6 o'clock, let's go ahead and get started. Go ahead and start. We'll have a roll call. I have myself here. We have

[0:31] All right. Is this okay? Can I just get here?

[0:34] Yeah, we can go.

[0:35] Yeah, you can.

[0:37] You can sit there if you want.

[0:40] When I start getting into it, we sort of type a lot of stuff

[0:42] by my actions to do what does.

[0:44] Just turn the mic.

[0:46] And maybe we can even throw it on the wall.

[0:48] But for tonight, this is the first time I get to show you

[0:50] some really talk with you about some things.

[0:53] And so, first thing I've got to do,

[0:55] is I can make sure I put on the agenda

[0:57] to not be angry.

[0:58] Thank you.

[1:00] I hope it's not that big of a deal to you guys, but huge big deal to me, oh my gosh,

[1:07] even though the panic I had was like, wait, the third one stays on, I didn't think I

[1:12] had the colors of the books.

[1:15] There's another thing as far as project hygiene goes, I will start sending you a document

[1:19] or maybe I'll post it on the website or something.

[1:22] You just need to be able to have a line of things because the things we talk about tonight

[1:25] so you don't want to try to capture all this stuff.

[1:27] I'll be capturing it and then it's going to be free flow, like I don't think tonight we're going to solve all the problems of whatever topic we talked about.

[1:37] But it'll give us a kind of a break on the path of what we talked about, how we got to certain things.

[1:43] So that hopefully will save us some time.

[1:46] So knowing that I came out of the last meeting, and there was this laundry, it was in multiple

[1:52] page full of points of, you know, telling what you guys don't like and what are the

[1:56] pain points in you guys, but it's that, it's that, it's that, it's that.

[2:01] So I tried to buy off the probably the biggest one, and there were some themes of what I heard.

[2:08] So I want to talk to you here about conditional use permits, your whole process, I heard a lot

[2:13] about that last time. So I put that on the first. Second thing I want to talk about tonight

[2:18] would be nuisance and code enforcement. I don't think we're going to get all of it done,

[2:24] but you guys being the planning commissioner will start through.

[2:29] And then if we have time,

[2:30] I want to get into the rest of these dark skies. You're going to have a plan and talk about dark skies

[2:35] a lot. There's some ways to do it and then there's way to just talk about dark skies. So I want to talk

[2:41] about how hard do you guys want to push on that in case?

[2:45] Then, again, these are all, I tried to put these in private,

[2:47] or you don't need to know about all this,

[2:50] but there are a few things that haven't been

[2:52] about such as such, that are just want to use

[2:55] the professional technical term.

[2:57] I want to show you, especially this last year,

[3:00] I want to show you some of the changes we've made

[3:01] that these are the things we don't really need

[3:03] to discuss as much because state law

[3:05] you kind of want to show us.

[3:07] But you should not be surprised when you do.

[3:09] And then there's just some things that are in your general planning or strategic plan

[3:13] that we take some of our easy fixes, and we just made those.

[3:19] Others we want to talk about.

[3:21] I got three little old ones on that, but I don't want to go through.

[3:24] And then we won't have time by the time we get to these, but unless you guys are really

[3:28] decisive, land use of authority, I just preface me on this one.

[3:34] How big of a conversation do you guys have when you were put together, your sub-vision

[3:37] ordinance on who the land use authority is from different application types. Did you

[3:44] go down that rabbit hole? We actually pushed that out. So we adopted whatever was state

[3:52] gave us. So now they... I want to talk to you guys about that because there's been six months

[3:59] of triggered of what that law has actually done in rural rural. I don't want to see this work in

[4:05] And for you guys, if you want to do that.

[4:08] And then anyway, and then we just got to make sure

[4:11] that we save a little bit of time at the end

[4:13] for me to get along with this, you know,

[4:15] a fresh one or your list of them.

[4:17] We've talked about this, you know,

[4:18] I actually want to read the ones you want to work with,

[4:20] and then just to make some housekeeping stuff.

[4:23] So, it's that's okay.

[4:26] And there's, I mean, I work for you guys.

[4:28] So whatever else you guys want to talk about,

[4:30] change this order, or whatever, I'm interested in.

[4:33] Sounds good.

[4:34] Okay, so I have to remember all the parts and conditional uses that we changed. There were many

[4:42] Those are made for myself and I

[4:43] Some of these were weekly, I have to go current code. Oh, yeah, here's what it was

[4:48] The current code says that everything that you consider to be a conditional use

[4:54] Has the same

[4:56] Process regardless of how big a deal is or not and

[5:01] So we didn't think that would be a good deal for a town near size.

[5:04] So we got into some of these uses that we think may you would see.

[5:08] Because right now, a person that wants to do, like a in-home danger,

[5:13] has to jump through the same groups as somebody who wants to do it.

[5:16] Like, as a P&D, as a commissioners, we're grabbing the operation right here.

[5:21] You know that?

[5:21] That's how many changes are there.

[5:23] So yeah.

[5:24] So you're initially, we want to see if you guys haven't had the type to have,

[5:39] I don't know how much time people are sitting around looking for something to do.

[5:52] I imagine you don't have much.

[5:54] So, but then again, you guys, you know, coming in for a meeting to talk about some of these

[5:59] slums that are from the way that I signed to parking problems, I don't know if that's

[6:04] worth your time either, so I'll get into that.

[6:08] We think there's two tracks that basically we call it a conditional use, we call it the

[6:17] Zoning Administrator.

[6:18] Do you actually have somebody that's got that job title that I haven't changed at all?

[6:23] We got to unknowing somebody to be the administrative

[6:26] of my new support. Where that is, if you can't have a

[6:30] administrator or reading the clerk through the work,

[6:34] we need to

[6:36] define. Would you prefer that to be

[6:38] color, would you prefer to use the clerks? I don't know. If that can

[6:41] have a recorder do that.

[6:43] Yeah, that might be true. I mean, that might be...

[6:46] I mean, there were certain things

[6:48] that she can't do. She can't do it.

[6:51] Because you got to get an armistice.

[6:52] Yes, I've got to get an armistice.

[6:54] You could be planning for some chair.

[6:56] It could be, I don't know.

[6:59] I'll just make a note that we need to define.

[7:02] Of course.

[7:03] Yeah, is this the concept, or I know we talked about.

[7:07] We're like the change you just mentioned.

[7:09] Why go to the Izzy committee,

[7:13] don't like the delay in doing it.

[7:14] Yeah.

[7:15] It's like sitting all over.

[7:18] What's the typical manner

[7:19] I don't know which somebody would put the threshold for what you would go to the zone and you guys decide what's typical and what it is typical stuff is is there likely to be?

[7:32] Well, okay, so the whole reason why you would do any conditional use permit that all is because you're saying we're saying yes to this use like a salon.

[7:42] sure, if it doesn't have the, you know what I mean, like, if it doesn't have like high impact,

[7:49] then sure, just do it. You don't want to say that you did it outside unless it really is,

[7:54] you know, like a house or residential zone. That's permitted out like that. You would expect that.

[7:58] Yeah. But like, like a home occupation word, that still probably is a good,

[8:04] condition because like a home so long thing they should probably pay a $15 business license

[8:11] and that's it honestly in my own opinion but somebody that's maybe going to operate on a

[8:17] chance shop offer their house out of their own garage you know like bringing

[8:23] to their trucks and you might be stacking trucks in the street and you're telling

[8:27] okay maybe put some conditions that yeah you can totally do that if you can't work this

[8:31] Yeah, yeah, so that's where I kind of go. I think the public is the one that carries nothing against the staff

[8:39] It's just whether the public feels like they have a chance to influence it. Yeah, that's a lot on the thing

[8:44] Hey, this is license something

[8:47] Yeah, the public normally shouldn't tell a neighbor what to do if they don't even know what's happening in the house, right?

[8:54] But yeah, the mechanic one you're kind of like

[8:56] Maybe that's enough that the public should have an opportunity to come and say

[9:01] Hey, do you want me to probably but the lighting is going to be a problem with the sound there the hours operation

[9:08] So it's really I guess the short answer is like the potential

[9:15] Negative impact I guess or the potential for news is

[9:20] to the neighbors and other properties from the park and the park you know that maybe that's

[9:26] where the threshold is. So we went through your code and we just kind of picked a couple of

[9:30] examples. I'll scan something there for you but um and so we got to make sure that's clear. The

[9:37] other thing is state just changed their law on um the way the way that whoever's making the decision

[9:44] whether it's you guys with the seek counsel or whether it's staff, like how do you say yes

[9:49] to this person and no to that person? There has to be a pretty clear criteria. You actually

[9:53] had some, I can see what you guys were complaining about though because it had some holes in it.

[9:59] We talked about almost the new definitions of some stuff into sacred. Sorry, let me get that

[10:06] as an example of what we were thinking as we clean up. And then what else?

[10:13] question. Yeah, please. So we actually had this happen where a party wanted a

[10:20] conditionally used license and a commercial building that was licensed by someone

[10:26] else.

[10:29] Yeah. Like it'd be like that hairdresser going into a salon but the

[10:34] the salon is owned.

[10:36] Yeah.

[10:37] Would you see, I thought them coming here,

[10:41] and I thought that was settled.

[10:43] Yeah.

[10:44] Yeah.

[10:45] And then it was like stash, you've been able to say,

[10:48] oh, you're going to do eyebrow threading in a salon

[10:52] that has a business show.

[10:55] Yeah.

[10:56] Okay.

[10:56] It seems to me that should be administratively.

[10:58] Okay.

[11:00] I mean, we had that really happen.

[11:01] And that's why we're bringing it up.

[11:03] And into her meetings, and she was quite

[11:07] empty about it, because it's like, well,

[11:10] I'm just trying to do some business.

[11:13] Yeah, they haven't.

[11:17] So sorry, before we get into that,

[11:19] let's say like that example makes me think that,

[11:23] remember that part of this process at the end,

[11:26] once you guys have said this is kind of policy,

[11:29] my team has to, and anyway, my team also has to give you application forms that tiger

[11:35] right into this.

[11:36] So it should be the next time, if there is a use that maybe shouldn't come to you guys

[11:40] or for whatever, the application form shouldn't make it easier and you're just like, because

[11:46] I've seen some of the application forms where they just change the towns a little bit on the

[11:49] top.

[11:50] And then it's not even...

[11:52] Why do you ask people to do that?

[11:53] Yeah, and that's all the time everywhere.

[11:57] So anyway, yours should be easy.

[12:01] So if they didn't have to jump through the loop,

[12:02] then who doesn't manage the loop?

[12:04] Right.

[12:04] And it's fair and easy to understand.

[12:06] Here's where you're at.

[12:07] Here's the process here to take 30 steps,

[12:09] and you're on step one, whatever.

[12:11] Here's why we're asking for this in my room.

[12:14] We'll get to it.

[12:15] So right now, if you remember, in your zoning title,

[12:19] I just went to the first use table for rural residential.

[12:23] You have three homes. It says, does this, and it's got a list of different uses. Does it, is this permitted?

[12:29] It's put in X, I mean, yes. And your current code says, is it a conditionally used, and it says X, which is a yes no.

[12:36] And it does also require a business license. I'm going to change the format in that little bit just so you know, because I first read it, I thought I was three equal things.

[12:44] You know, I get, I like to think you actually put a business license, but it needs to not be his only thing, so I'll just pull that back.

[12:51] Anyway, what I've changed the two is, like, agriculture in the rural residential, still got the permitted tax, but instead of conditional use just being an egg, it's going to be a C-C-A, it's conditional use.

[13:03] or C-P-C planning on the plan, right?

[13:07] So it's like, yes, it's initially used,

[13:09] but this flavor initially used.

[13:11] Okay.

[13:12] It's almost like you got three columns,

[13:14] and that doesn't form that well,

[13:15] but that's the way the group just plans it.

[13:17] So just to get into some examples,

[13:19] and we didn't add a whole lot of new uses yet.

[13:22] That is a whole discussion we're going to have to get to.

[13:25] Every use that we put in one of these use tables,

[13:28] like for commercial, even new.

[13:31] This is terrible.

[13:32] I've always hated this about playing.

[13:35] Each use you put in there also has to be in your definition style.

[13:39] That's a new law of the last year.

[13:41] So everything has to be defined.

[13:44] That's where your definition is going to be.

[13:46] You have to tell them what agriculture is.

[13:49] You have to tell them what a farm and a shed and an agriculture accessory building is.

[13:54] You have to tell your own definitions about.

[13:56] Fortunately, I do have a book.

[14:01] There's one legal standard definition of what have been breakfast is that started to

[14:05] stood up in court in a small aircraft.

[14:08] It's just, it's finding them all after you guys are decided and then just inflating

[14:12] up your definitions.

[14:13] I don't know.

[14:14] Couldn't be in this document.

[14:15] It goes a lot.

[14:15] That doesn't mean you're crediting them.

[14:16] It's crazy.

[14:17] But you're a lawyer.

[14:18] But it's good.

[14:18] Yeah.

[14:19] You just gotta put it.

[14:19] I've always hated this about planning, but it's there.

[14:23] Okay.

[14:23] So as far as those conditions, man, I'll tell you about everything about conditions, except

[14:27] to the thing you guys about me.

[14:29] So bed and breakfast is an existing one.

[14:32] We said that would be a sewing administrator.

[14:36] That was not an energy.

[14:37] But we don't know that the planning commission

[14:39] needs to see if somebody, and bed and breakfasts

[14:41] is turning into a name for short and mental.

[14:44] So we're giving you the airbnb pack.

[14:49] Airbnb, that's a whole other topic we're

[14:51] going to do to know a meeting, but OK.

[14:53] Because that's a thing here.

[14:54] It's edgy.

[14:55] Yeah.

[14:55] That already is nervous about those, but your tip will bend in practice, it's usually

[15:00] We like an old warehouse that somebody's already renovated and just long real rich of the cultural park

[15:06] building and the street. That's they don't get usually too grubby even better than breakfast.

[15:10] For me, remus is a little different. Sometimes you get a much better looking at it.

[15:13] Yeah. I mean, it's like these vaulting that comes into the game and those teenagers terrible town that night.

[15:19] Short to rental that happens. They don't usually throw a bed in breakfast. So that's what we said.

[15:23] That's kind of more administrative, but like a child care facility. I think that's only

[15:28] You guys can make a planning commission, because I know there's also licensing stuff that

[15:35] goes into childcare facilities.

[15:39] You guys can make a commission.

[15:40] Well, they're administrative, and there's a certain criteria that they have to supply,

[15:44] so it still could be administrative.

[15:47] We went back for the mighty army, but anyway, that's just one church.

[15:52] We said planning commission, but just tread lightly on anything that's due to religious

[15:57] just plain needs of any kind.

[15:59] There's a federal case law,

[16:01] and that's getting used a lot more,

[16:03] I don't know if I can really do it or something.

[16:07] But more and more people are saying,

[16:09] hey, but I have a religious reason to witness

[16:11] and hold on.

[16:13] Then you were in Charlottesville over that,

[16:14] yeah, County of Charlottesville.

[16:16] So we said, okay, don't make that just a staff member,

[16:19] they get at least be a public process.

[16:21] That's why we said churches.

[16:22] which is just so you know, like a home childcare center,

[16:27] home occupations, these are all staff,

[16:29] but a channel who's that still come here,

[16:32] just because I know it was you didn't know.

[16:34] I think it'd be too early.

[16:35] Yeah, that could be.

[16:36] Why start to come here?

[16:39] You have this thing about minor utility transmission projects,

[16:42] that seem to be in a lot of different stages.

[16:46] We thought we didn't know the backstreet unless

[16:47] we left it to the planning commission.

[16:49] Pre-school is only the administrator.

[16:51] I'm just trying to show you the differences, I guess.

[16:55] Yeah, like one of those residential subdivisions.

[16:59] Yeah, totally.

[17:02] So yeah, short-term rentals and vacation rentals.

[17:07] You should see the notes.

[17:09] We have all three that we're fighting each other already.

[17:13] The state is getting, they've always been rid of short-term rentals.

[17:17] Let's just pause on that one and we'll come back to it when we actually talk about it.

[17:24] Short-term rels are new enough that no one really wants to be in the tip of the sphere.

[17:28] They're still worried about doing that.

[17:30] It feels like, gosh, there's a lot of different paths you can take policy ways on short-term

[17:35] rels.

[17:35] We just have to talk about what your market is and what concerns you might know.

[17:41] That even might be with city councils, so just pause on that one bit.

[17:45] Anyway.

[17:45] You had this small wind energy device, there must have been a backstory by that senior code.

[17:50] We said that's the staff thing because it's probably just a hate issue on that.

[17:54] In the windmill?

[17:54] In the small windmill?

[17:56] Yeah, it's just small, right?

[17:57] These are like literally in the back there in the windmill type thing.

[18:00] But you had your table neighborhood commercial.

[18:04] Small neighborhood commercial, which is like somebody in the barbershop where the nine times they're crammed into a house with something like that.

[18:11] We said it's the plain English for that, but again, silver energy is on the street because that's going to be...

[18:17] That makes sense.

[18:18] You know what I mean?

[18:18] It's really small.

[18:20] We're not talking about silver field.

[18:21] Yeah, it's okay about it.

[18:22] So if somebody wants to set up a silver field.

[18:24] Do you panels on the roof?

[18:25] Yeah, yeah.

[18:27] Just so you know, that's just kind of a sampling of what we think when we say two flavors of conditional use permit.

[18:35] and they still have to, if it goes to staff, that's fine.

[18:38] They still have to jump through the, you know,

[18:40] show the tape at the conditions.

[18:41] They still necessarily do it from public.

[18:44] The other thing we did is we put a report in there

[18:46] so that say staff gets an application for whatever,

[18:50] but I don't think they know more or something.

[18:52] And say staff doesn't come full and they're like,

[18:54] oh, I don't know what I should do with this one,

[18:56] it's not really cut and dried.

[18:58] They, in your code, we made it so that they can go,

[19:01] sorry, this is all my head,

[19:05] So that's going to be our work to put in the application form that says if you're trying

[19:10] to do this, it's just going to be a really quick thing.

[19:12] And it gets inside.

[19:13] It just gets inside of it.

[19:15] But it keeps.

[19:15] Yeah.

[19:16] But it might not be so.

[19:17] We're going to figure out how to say that in a nice way.

[19:20] We also didn't want staff to be put in a really awkward spot.

[19:25] You know, staff.

[19:26] Yeah.

[19:26] Very nice.

[19:27] But yeah.

[19:30] But anyway.

[19:32] That kind of sounds bureaucratic, but we can just play with it.

[19:37] Okay, just before we move off to that one, the idea of staff doing it, that's still okay.

[19:45] You have somebody that has a bandwidth for that.

[19:47] Okay, all right, so I'm going to go with that in my change in the name or whatever.

[19:51] But for now, we're just going to call it bigger

[19:55] or something.

[19:56] We've got to have some kind of title.

[19:57] And I really like what he said right now, having the record and being able to read that person makes me a little nervous, I don't know.

[20:05] That's just a big difference.

[20:07] Yeah, that's where I'm going to traditionally use this.

[20:09] Anything else you guys want to talk about with those?

[20:12] I know the accounts you were talking about because the policy has kind of been,

[20:19] if you're applying for a business license but you're renting,

[20:22] We want to hinge on this period, which is starting to get kind of complicated.

[20:28] We were thinking on our application for the business license, we could have somewhere

[20:33] where the building owner signs to acknowledge that they know what business is going in.

[20:41] So the ocean is skipping that conditional use, steps if it doesn't need to be.

[20:49] I think the point she has is that when you show it, it's not a conflict.

[20:55] Oh, okay.

[20:58] That one's not right exactly.

[21:01] Sorry, on the business get application license, all the words wasn't it.

[21:06] On the application for business license, I think that was the English way.

[21:11] We're looking for a check marker, some kind of ignored knowledge signature from the property owner.

[21:17] Yes, I know, yes, it's a great thing.

[21:19] It's a good thing.

[21:20] Yes, yes.

[21:21] It's a recognized, they know what business is going there because benefit commissioning is business.

[21:25] Yes, it's a mystery.

[21:26] I like that.

[21:30] Maybe it's a small retail town.

[21:32] Small retail shops are often combined.

[21:35] And you're like a billionaire.

[21:36] I'm scared, I kind of don't have much with it.

[21:38] Yeah.

[21:39] But they know what the activity is.

[21:42] And so it is their money, so if I had a job,

[21:44] it's available to them.

[21:48] Oh.

[21:49] That's great.

[21:49] I didn't mean to think of that.

[21:50] That's new.

[21:52] Don't tell my other clients.

[21:53] That's a good one.

[21:56] Okay.

[21:56] Well, let's change the subject quickly.

[21:58] Okay.

[22:01] New subsistence code enforcement.

[22:03] I know when you're in a lot of personal people,

[22:05] You're the town there while you're doing it.

[22:08] I can't help but maybe in that corner he's like no really.

[22:12] I always talk for him.

[22:14] It's hard for him.

[22:16] It is such an awkward to do the spawn town part of it.

[22:20] You don't have time, but it's also just like

[22:22] the social part of it and then the process.

[22:24] And everybody knows you.

[22:26] You gotta go see him in the church basketball

[22:28] and then you're like, I'm okay.

[22:32] So sorry, but you can't play your junk.

[22:37] So, on the news of the site of being a state code did this thing move 20, when did they do it?

[22:44] I wrote it down, I should have written it down.

[22:47] Well, it's like recently when they said the town's no longer can have a town more of health.

[22:54] It has to be at least county level or multi-town level.

[22:57] So that kind of helped you guys get out of jail free.

[23:00] where you don't necessarily have to do the back-up on some of these health-related

[23:04] instances and stuff. Problems is I don't know how a carbon-counter, the R6 or

[23:09] whoever's running that for you. No, no, no, no, that's working. But Joe, I'm choice.

[23:13] So it's great. So you're clearly great now in Title 2. It has a whole section

[23:19] about the EU as it called.

[23:23] Yeah, health or something like that. The whole thing

[23:27] Yes, come out with a problem business.

[23:28] We need to not just chill it, but we need to like,

[23:31] chill it and replace it with what we do.

[23:34] Yeah.

[23:34] How did you decide?

[23:36] What would you take to go?

[23:38] That's a problem.

[23:39] Yeah.

[23:39] So yeah, so we need to change it.

[23:44] And right now, we have a kind of place

[23:46] where we're healing somebody in the administrator.

[23:47] We just put code enforcement officer for all instances.

[23:54] So, I'm sure you're a lot of horses' gays, not a lot of that because it's going to have to get called out on literally weeds.

[24:03] Yeah, all of a sudden. Easy at lights, you know, you've got to register sound, they don't kill it, you're not going to do it.

[24:09] So maybe that doesn't stick, but for now we just have to think that word out, just so you get some.

[24:16] The other thing is your current code has a series of violations of penalties like if you do this, it's a class B mismanagement or to do this, it's a class C or a line of whatever.

[24:30] State changed all that out on cities not too long ago, so we tried to make you align to the state and I was just telling you so we don't have to look it up.

[24:40] But it's in your title date, 8, 15, 8, 25.

[24:47] It's just got some stuff in there that are the standard

[24:50] to too high.

[24:52] And you have one penalty in your current code that says something

[24:55] like, it's a daily fine of $300, $300,

[25:01] I don't know if you're going to be away with a date.

[25:04] They think the state's kind of saying,

[25:06] and you've got to give people time to get their stuff out of it.

[25:11] So we changed that.

[25:12] We basically mirrored at the state code into your code for that.

[25:16] So you'll see those changes.

[25:18] Yeah, but I wanted to talk to you about, you're

[25:22] sorry, in my meeting here, they talked about dilapidated

[25:25] in abandoned structures, like buildings that are just

[25:28] abandoned.

[25:30] Your current code doesn't even say we're abandoned.

[25:34] It only does dilapidated.

[25:35] But it's not defined super clear. So just so you're aware, we added a whole lot of content. I might walk into this one up.

[25:43] It's title 8, 15 again. Let me just read these small spaces.

[25:48] This is under your health and safety, which is not something the planning commission normally does.

[25:53] But your general plan talked about it, and I just want to give you feedback later.

[25:59] Sorry, so your code right now talks about the equipment of new instances and the right to inspect.

[26:03] That's right, should be able to go in and see if it really is an engine or whatever.

[26:10] Your current code says your entire board is supposed to go out and do that.

[26:16] We changed it to be that code enforcement officer.

[26:19] And same thing with the code enforcement officer, it has the authority now, where the power

[26:24] the age and the ability to signal is as we shut down until it gets cleaned up.

[26:30] It went into the budget. I don't know.

[26:33] I know that this is like a touching topic for smaller towns because

[26:38] whoever lives in that house, they got tools to really take care of it

[26:41] and then they pass away and the family doesn't know what to do.

[26:43] You just kind of don't want to...

[26:45] It just sits there.

[26:46] Yeah.

[26:46] He said there was a born with a nail stuck in the family or whatever.

[26:50] But he also can't just let it keep deteriorating.

[26:54] So if we were really normal, if you had that be an administrator

[26:59] from the code of enforcement officer, they could actually

[27:02] work.

[27:04] You don't want it to be arbitrary.

[27:06] And you can't say a case-by-case much.

[27:09] But there are judgment calls with everything.

[27:12] And there's judgment calls with a special band

[27:13] and then dilapidated.

[27:15] And it's a kind of sort of, like, the COVID-19

[27:19] actually makes us sick and so on.

[27:21] I don't know.

[27:22] Just so you know, when you get into it,

[27:23] you'll see that it's, I don't know,

[27:28] I can say it's that kind of time that I'm in right now.

[27:31] You guys probably only think land use most of the time.

[27:33] So this is just to me, it's a land use issue.

[27:35] I want to start with you guys.

[27:36] I'm also going to take similar things

[27:38] to the city council when I get to preach to them.

[27:41] But just so you know, that one didn't get a lot.

[27:47] So we do have a Southeast dream job, isn't it?

[27:51] Is it?

[27:52] Yeah.

[27:53] Is it?

[27:54] Is it?

[27:55] Yeah.

[27:56] Yeah.

[27:57] Yeah.

[27:57] I mean, I think they do a pretty good job though.

[28:01] I mean.

[28:01] Yeah.

[28:02] Yeah.

[28:04] Yeah.

[28:05] Yeah.

[28:08] Yeah.

[28:08] We do have a health department and we bring you back for the

[28:13] industry, right?

[28:14] South and South and South District Health Department?

[28:16] Yeah.

[28:17] Yeah.

[28:21] Because I feel like Larry Jensen.

[28:23] Good.

[28:24] Yeah.

[28:24] Larry Jensen sits on an board lender for New York County guys.

[28:31] So we do have possibly more for all of us.

[28:35] Yeah.

[28:35] Okay.

[28:55] Okay, I'll check in with those folks and just make sure that this code doesn't, you know,

[29:01] put a handcuffs on them or give them too much.

[29:03] It sounds like they don't maybe want to, if they have to come that way, then they don't want to have that much authority, but it's good to know the bays, so that's great.

[29:13] Yeah, I think they just cover carbon and marine grain.

[29:18] Okay.

[29:19] That's what I'm seeing.

[29:20] and it's, it's not certain it's a South-Eastern Health

[29:25] or so, not to be confused with certain it's the SAVM HQ

[29:32] so South-Eastern Health Department or the Health Department?

[29:38] Yeah, I'll look it up.

[29:40] Okay.

[29:41] That's right, not super easy.

[29:44] As far as other stuff has been in buildings just getting over.

[29:49] Yeah, we gave him some criteria and he said, if you see this criteria, you don't just run out and condemn the bill, you have to see it for 90 days.

[30:00] Good morning, and let us sit there and try to get a fix in 90 days. But the criterion we found in other codes that we think pretty good is on a hockey fight, but not just for sale.

[30:13] Right? Yeah, and then also that if there's boarded up windows or missing windows doors, I don't love this, but this came out of state code. Significant deterioration of the roof. Now, patient siding or

[30:29] structural elements. When are you using the word significant? That kind of made

[30:35] argued. Yeah. I don't love it. It's a fight start. See I don't know what I didn't

[30:41] just say more than 50% of the build. Yeah. Yeah. Make it a percent. Yeah. Make it a

[30:47] percentage. Because I've got two. I've been on Occupied for years but they

[30:54] send somebody in to take care of the yard and the windows aren't boarded up. So yeah

[30:58] Yeah, you can't say you have to tear it out.

[31:01] Yeah.

[31:01] Okay.

[31:02] All right.

[31:04] Okay.

[31:05] So, you want to do a two percent?

[31:11] Yeah.

[31:12] I just see that I have something to tell you.

[31:13] I mean, you have to have something to tell me.

[31:16] Yeah.

[31:16] You like that, yeah.

[31:18] Yeah, I like that.

[31:18] Oh, it's good.

[31:20] Yeah.

[31:21] Yeah.

[31:22] It's good.

[31:22] If it's half of the house, maybe it's probably, maybe just one wall fell down.

[31:27] Yeah.

[31:27] So it's not happening.

[31:29] It's not happening, yeah.

[31:30] It's not happening, but it happens

[31:32] and then just sits there forever.

[31:33] Yeah.

[31:34] You don't want to jump on somebody

[31:35] and they have a bad set of circumstances

[31:37] that can be neglected, something else.

[31:39] Right.

[31:41] That's more correct here.

[31:42] The utilities got disconnected

[31:45] when it's not a planned renovation.

[31:47] Just unplugged water and it's over.

[31:50] You know what I just said?

[31:51] We're done.

[31:52] That's kind of a sign that it's going to be in the...

[31:54] Checked out.

[31:54] Yeah, and then, or if it's a property that has those things happen to it multiple times in 12 month period.

[32:04] Somebody could come in and hurt themselves and duct tape on it and go, no, we don't think so.

[32:08] And if it falls apart again in another month, I'll code it for some guys like Plenty.

[32:13] Let's do it in a minute.

[32:14] Yeah, they're duct tape and stick.

[32:16] Better never ask this guy.

[32:19] And then we just have a warning period and then that it escalates so we get the first morning and there's a written plan and I'm sorry, the way to get rid of the warning is when the property urges and that's a written plan of some kind, you know, we'll define that.

[32:36] It's an email where it's a guy I don't want to try and work on it in a public life.

[32:40] It is a written response though not just working.

[32:43] They can be verbal with it, go to the first guy's like, I don't know, nice.

[32:47] They've got to have some kind of...

[32:49] Is that you can at least hold them to know what it is?

[32:51] You can hold them and the comment knows that you've done something.

[32:54] So, trust me.

[32:56] Yeah.

[32:59] So, let me see.

[33:00] The news and stuff.

[33:01] Oh, the penalties.

[33:02] I think I talked about that earlier. Just so you guys are aware, most of you do this 100

[33:08] a day. I think your current co-exist on a three-year day on April. So we still were thinking

[33:15] a day was pretty nice, but you have a lot of sugar and serious. Yeah.

[33:22] You want to be out

[33:29] I don't know, I don't know, I really don't know.

[33:31] I should have shown.

[33:33] And that was the fourth part on the list.

[33:40] Yeah, I still wonder about the, you know, I'm sorry if I'm slow to this part of it.

[33:47] What is the process for once a building is deemed condemned?

[33:52] What happens if that happens?

[33:53] The proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one, the proposed one.

[34:05] You actually had, I like to tease towns about the code, but your stuff had some unique

[34:09] pieces that might feel like overkill, but like attractive news and says that's a legal

[34:14] term.

[34:15] I was telling you.

[34:16] I don't know what that is.

[34:17] Because I want a section about it.

[34:18] But it's an attractive news.

[34:19] Yeah.

[34:20] What is that?

[34:20] You want to attract a news.

[34:21] So attractive news is, like if you have a trampoline in your backyard, but you don't have

[34:26] any kind of fence, and a kid sneaks in your backyard and they're jumping around.

[34:29] Oh, really?

[34:30] I don't know.

[34:31] Okay, the insurance company is going to come sue you because they say you didn't open

[34:35] fence so it's an unattractive use.

[34:37] It's an attractive use if they say to it and no, it's attractive.

[34:40] There's attractive use.

[34:41] There's attractive use.

[34:42] It's a Gary and so you're being bad neighbors.

[34:44] You didn't put up an open fence and that's the son of a dog.

[34:47] The probability of that is kind of language.

[34:50] That's how my dog would open.

[34:51] Exactly.

[34:52] Yeah, just drowning in fools or whatever.

[34:55] I'm getting chained by the horse because there's no open fence.

[34:58] Those are both attractive use.

[34:59] It's attractive use.

[35:00] So it's a law.

[35:03] Anyway, start it back to your process.

[35:09] So part eight, when we wrote it, we changed it.

[35:12] It's not trying to tell you what we think it should be.

[35:14] Okay, that's fine.

[35:15] Structure is abandoned.

[35:17] If under those 90 days, those bridges we just talked about,

[35:20] then they get a notice.

[35:22] And it's a rhythm that the officer, the enforcement officer,

[35:26] is aware of.

[35:26] They have to serve in written those on the property owner in the manner provided in it.

[35:32] Like it's got to really end posted in the property in just the case beyond the current mail address.

[35:38] Okay.

[35:38] And then in that warning, we say what the letter has to say has to secure this place so it gets fixed

[35:46] and then bring it up to the compliance and then end work gets you ready to plan on how to do it.

[35:52] Okay, so.

[35:53] And then, when a structure is declared abandoned or dilapidated,

[36:00] the code enforcement officer shall fore-made with the city building official.

[36:04] I was a question I had to give you guys.

[36:06] The county?

[36:07] Is it the county?

[36:08] We contract with the county.

[36:10] But that's a good question.

[36:13] That's a good question.

[36:14] That's a good question.

[36:14] I should know that.

[36:20] It was good.

[36:21] Did you say it's good?

[36:22] A lot of this code's written in like a 50.

[36:23] Well, you're supposed to, you haven't signed it back to the 80s, late 80s, which isn't the worst that I've ever worked on.

[36:30] Yeah.

[36:31] Yeah.

[36:31] If there ever you had, I shouldn't have just told you the name.

[36:35] Hey, how many of you still works for?

[36:36] Yeah.

[36:37] The agency's just recorded it right now.

[36:39] Anyway, I said, so I just give you your existing code and they go, okay, hang on.

[36:43] And they went and they found a three-room binder.

[36:46] And they gave it to me and they were flipping through it and they say, yeah, this is so hard to call.

[36:49] And it's like, it was where you'd code, you need to code.

[36:53] She's known this is what we always offer.

[36:55] This is it.

[36:56] And I was just like, because my brain was screaming on the inside,

[36:59] because I said, OK, thanks.

[37:01] Jamie at Covey, I didn't think one still existed,

[37:03] but back in 1975.

[37:07] The usual existence of Covey put out a three refinder

[37:09] that was a template.

[37:10] The Covey should consider when they Covey

[37:13] impedes their own, and they just took the binder

[37:16] and they didn't fill it out.

[37:17] They didn't say the name of the town.

[37:19] They didn't...

[37:20] They just used the deck, and they just said this was a minute, the whole time.

[37:24] They did do some weird thing with Zoey, but most of their code was this.

[37:28] Walkie think from the 70s and Zoey.

[37:30] They said, well, come on first meeting and tell us, you know, what we got to tighten.

[37:34] Back to forever.

[37:35] I had to say, it was a start-up.

[37:37] We're going to start.

[37:38] We're starting.

[37:39] How are we going to help you?

[37:40] All of this stuff has been revealed decades ago.

[37:43] You know, you know, maybe you are in trouble and glad nobody is trying to see what it wants, right?

[37:47] That's a cute little talent, it's funny.

[37:50] Well, let me know if it happens in that talent for nobody, no, it's fine.

[37:52] Yeah, it's fine.

[37:55] Anyway, that was the worst one, 1975.

[37:57] 1975.

[37:58] All right.

[37:58] Yeah,

[38:02] yeah, yeah, I feel like they had to be joking in the midst of the 50s, I felt like they

[38:06] had to be joking.

[38:07] Yeah, oh my gosh.

[38:08] You know what's cool though?

[38:09] Some of this is all you're seeing here, it's built out of code.

[38:12] Yeah, my side was built that, my home neighborhood, there was no code.

[38:16] They just had a building code, they just said make the roof not fall down.

[38:20] Yeah, yeah, you know, I'll say, yeah, you know, like 16-inch, you know, offset.

[38:24] And suddenly you got these coin things that everybody's now trying to desperately risk you.

[38:29] Yeah, just that's the cool part down here.

[38:31] Your main street, there was no code.

[38:34] Yeah, they just made it in the sense.

[38:36] Yeah, good builders.

[38:37] Yeah, come on.

[38:42] Okay.

[38:43] Anyway, sorry.

[38:44] So they get that, they have to work with the building official, the county building official.

[38:51] And then it just talks about the enforcement and then, um, yeah, then it goes to the penalties.

[38:56] So really?

[38:57] That's why I said this actually.

[38:58] What happens?

[38:59] Yeah.

[38:59] So when it comes to the penalties, right now, we can't do to your daily thing, but why argue with you about that a little bit?

[39:07] But if there's still no penalty and stay lost as you can't go warm, then I think it's a

[39:12] So I got you know that season there properly or anything like that. Okay, you can

[39:19] I mean my stator was a fire and the families the aves

[39:23] But I have to house

[39:31] Yeah, you can

[39:37] Why do we set her there, though?

[39:39] If I owned a piece of property and I live in Chamorro,

[39:42] but I don't really see what's happening there,

[39:44] and somebody turns into a meth lab

[39:47] that's got news all over it, right?

[39:49] Yeah.

[39:50] The city should be able to go in and say,

[39:53] I'm sorry, you can't rent that out,

[39:54] and then you show it to me.

[39:56] Deal with that.

[39:56] Yeah, deal with it.

[39:58] You know, maybe it's safe to the next person,

[40:00] like on paper, that's a good one.

[40:03] All right.

[40:04] Anyway, yeah, so we shut the daily thing,

[40:06] We lowered it to 100 today because I think we were 300 today.

[40:10] And then your current code had criminal.

[40:14] So it went from civil to criminal, we'd be quick.

[40:18] The state law changed that.

[40:19] So it's a civil problem if you're willing to choose all or whatever.

[40:25] Your building looks like it needs some help.

[40:28] That's all civil and stuff.

[40:30] It becomes criminal when it says luminous circumstances.

[40:35] and criminal, you can only go to class be a minister here, I worked for, he fielded, oh they talked about prison terms and I'm like, wow, wow, yeah, you got to read J.O. first, right?

[40:46] Yeah, right, that was a nice, take a moment for them to say, that's a big one.

[40:51] They also don't let code from another town, probably forum or something, because they talked about going to the city jail and the city jailer would not fully craft.

[41:01] They don't even have a stop sign.

[41:04] They can't know.

[41:05] Anyway, they don't have a jail.

[41:08] Is the Utah County jail like I'm just in a lot of time?

[41:10] Exactly.

[41:12] The city can prosecute a violation.

[41:14] This is where it goes over to criminal.

[41:16] Only if the violation doesn't pertain to an individual's pet.

[41:20] You can't go to the jail over a parking lot.

[41:23] You can get fined like crazy, but it's not like criminal.

[41:26] Um, um, um, uh, the violation of the credit nuisance, um, that actually does threaten the health safety. Well, there are a lot of people, so what that would be, you know, super dangerous.

[41:42] You got to talk to the great news.

[41:43] Well, well, bring your room.

[41:57] We don't have a fence.

[41:58] that they just keep being reviewed centers, then you can move it to the digital and the

[42:02] impact curve.

[42:03] But that's all kind of dictated by the state, so I don't know how to do much of that.

[42:11] Yours was just a little bit more aggressive than what the state will do right now.

[42:14] What's the police department's appetite for us changing this and making it so that these

[42:18] are enforceable things?

[42:19] Is that something they want or something that they're nervous about having to do?

[42:21] Sean would probably tell me he doesn't want it, but what he has right now is so it

[42:28] in the U.S. He feels incapable of doing it, because I treat one way, but I treat C.J.

[42:36] a different way.

[42:38] It's a problem.

[42:39] It's a problem.

[42:39] Yes, of course.

[42:40] And that's what I refer to.

[42:42] It doesn't mind doing the work.

[42:43] It's not going to be a complete profound way to this point, because he's over here doing

[42:47] my real health and safety stuff.

[42:50] And you guys have to go talk to somebody about the length of it because he's like, I don't

[42:54] We don't have to have a very easy path to follow and easy way to let me comply, because I need to be very supportive right now.

[43:01] And then very clear criteria.

[43:03] Exactly.

[43:04] Because I don't want to get admired in this stuff and where it goes to court.

[43:06] But that's what Rob does to me is they said, please tighten up our public safety stuff because we pay these cops and they hate society and people because they know that the courts will throw it out.

[43:17] Because the code is written so poor that you can't enforce them.

[43:20] You know, and so they're just like, we don't want a radio ticket in the first place, we know it's our childhood.

[43:25] You know, it doesn't do anything when I do that.

[43:28] Have you had good success with that with finding a medium with businesses where you're in these cities?

[43:33] Where you're not completely infringing upon somebody's rights to do what they want with their property.

[43:40] At the same time, you know, making their neighborhood property value go down because they won't.

[43:46] I don't know where the medium is.

[43:48] I know, because it's in the eye of the whole, that's the problem.

[43:50] So the legal standard is, they talk about very measurable things, and that's probably

[43:56] very long, of course, you guys may get along, of course, because if you say, it can't

[44:01] be noisy, well noisy to this person's different than that, so you've got to actually have

[44:06] a decimal thing, which means the enforcement guy that's got to go over and actually measure

[44:10] with a decimal with a decimal with a decimal with a decimal with a square root of 12.

[44:12] And same thing with like, you know, can't be too bright, well that's the most hard work

[44:16] So you're just like measure of humans, is that really what you're doing?

[44:20] Deciples, the dust measure is something I don't understand for a girl, I don't know,

[44:25] parts from the end of something, or whatever, but it's also hours of operation.

[44:30] So you can kind of say to me, it's business hours, we get the only thing that's worth

[44:35] whatever shop or something, but why can't you do something like that?

[44:39] So that's where it gets those conditional uses, you really do kind of have to

[44:43] but, like, articulate what those conditions are, put it in writing, and then they can go

[44:49] and then you can enforce against that.

[44:51] Okay.

[44:52] So let me start with Sean's position.

[44:54] He's going to say, would you like me to pursue domestic violence and child abuse?

[45:01] Yes, because we have the staff up there. So that's the other dilemma we have. So we actually put it into hire to the federal government and grant where they would help us bring on and on and on. Yes, you know, it's just if they're picking and choosing, they're going to take the one thing.

[45:23] If you can't cry, absolutely, and try to act in the middle.

[45:29] You could tell them they're going to be there.

[45:30] You could be a small dash right back and say,

[45:32] I want you to do order of operations like math.

[45:35] I mean, if no one's currently beating their wife,

[45:36] you know what I mean?

[45:37] They're running someone over.

[45:38] And then I'd like to give you to go address them.

[45:40] That would be my preference.

[45:42] You're less dangerous.

[45:44] I'd love to see the team, but right now,

[45:47] again, the code is so ambiguous.

[45:49] It's like, I don't play.

[45:50] I don't play.

[45:51] And if you don't come down to, we'll see Shonda like me, so he gave me a touch of the lights, Tracy and me didn't do that.

[45:59] I mean, it just opens up.

[46:01] We've got to do the same thing, but she goes off with a slot on the wrist and I have to pay $150,000.

[46:05] Yeah, it just, yes.

[46:06] Because the ambiguity is the problem.

[46:08] I just want to be on the middle.

[46:09] I don't want to be a city where people are afraid, you know, I think about it.

[46:11] A lot of organizations are going to get them.

[46:13] But I also want to have some way to address some of the eye sources.

[46:16] Exactly.

[46:17] That's where I was really damaging nice homes property values because their neighbors got the junkyard dog and the junkyard

[46:25] That's kind of the lens we look at code is

[46:27] What the government needs to be able to let people I mean it's a constitutional right

[46:33] It's the only problem

[46:35] There's also a constitutional right to not my property it by your company

[46:38] So you know, where do you find the balance the most to?

[46:43] Usually airs on the side of the property

[46:45] I think. A lot of times. Some people get some imaginations. They're going to shoot up any

[46:52] neighbor, but most times it's pretty okay. It's the ground bit though, it's just I was your first,

[46:58] even though they're surrounded by houses, and they want to now run 24 hours a day.

[47:02] Those are where the lawyers get, you know, start their own news early call. It's going to be awesome,

[47:07] because they're just going to fight forever and never resolve it. Water rights.

[47:14] Yeah. Irrigation stuff in small towns, I'll tell you that.

[47:17] No. Yeah. I don't want to do it. That's healthy.

[47:19] All right. Welcome, by the way.

[47:22] You miss going to jokes, so...

[47:24] Sorry. He's got one. I don't believe it at all.

[47:26] He's got one. I barely know him.

[47:29] That I can tell he's got him for days.

[47:33] At least.

[47:42] All right. This is a quick time check.

[47:44] We're coming up on seven-ish.

[47:45] Still keep going.

[47:47] Yeah, I'll have to buy it at like 5%

[47:50] I can stay right till then.

[47:52] Okay, dark skies is your general plan talks about

[47:56] I've not read this before, I don't know, I can't

[47:59] be honest, but other than a dark sky, but

[48:03] when it comes to implementing it, it's hard to find a town

[48:06] that can actually do it correctly.

[48:09] They talk about it very well.

[48:11] Your general plan talks about

[48:13] What if no one becomes a laboratory because the actual laboratory for Dark Skies scholars?

[48:19] I love that, but I don't know, that's pretty good, and that's ambitious, because you guys

[48:24] aren't like Antarctica.

[48:25] Right?

[48:25] You guys have a price right there.

[48:27] Yeah.

[48:27] So, a little tricky.

[48:29] So, that might have come from the fact that we utilize the University of Utah Dark Star

[48:34] in the other room.

[48:35] Yeah.

[48:35] Dark Star.

[48:36] Why would I get it from?

[48:37] Yeah.

[48:38] They're huge spans.

[48:38] They were trying to push that all over the state.

[48:41] I don't disagree, I just, you can control price.

[48:45] And you can control the county a little bit.

[48:48] So, let's see, but anyway.

[48:53] Chapter 1897,

[49:00] oh,

[49:14] it's just a couple dark skies title.

[49:16] That's what it was.

[49:19] We do have solid code that says, no really, we do want to be Darkest Guy, which I was

[49:26] impressed with most times I would get that far, but we added a little bit at the beginning

[49:31] of the purpose statement and thought it was a little thin, just kind of like your code just

[49:36] dome into it, just said, this little, we think, okay, but if you put a little bit more

[49:40] preamble so sweet at the beginning, so if you get in there you're like, this guy's trying

[49:45] I'm trying to get paid by the word, and I'm trying to actually just have the rationale

[49:50] to be a little bit stronger.

[49:51] So that's kind of when we started there, that was one of the areas that outdoor, oh,

[49:58] huh.

[49:59] Tell me if you, your dark sky stuff, it's just like everybody else, dark sky stuff, except

[50:03] it didn't have a lighting curfew.

[50:07] That is funny.

[50:07] I thought you were going to talk about that thing.

[50:09] That is going to be in my field when you take that public word, especially your businesses.

[50:15] We added the sentence that we've seen in other closets that says all non-essential residentally

[50:20] and commercial outdoor lighting is encouraged to be turned off by a victim.

[50:27] No, that's what we picked, like 2 a.m. because that's when we read just closets.

[50:33] That, I'm changing it right now.

[50:34] Thank you.

[50:35] I don't want to be talking about that.

[50:37] We talked about that and we said the readjust is in business and so on.

[50:41] Yeah.

[50:41] Yeah, we should be able to have lights and tons of rice.

[50:44] Yeah.

[50:46] So yeah, driving late, and I go past the Maverick and I can't imagine seeing a car.

[50:52] Maybe I should have never driven that late, but okay, 2 a.m. is a lot better.

[50:56] That's better than what we have.

[50:57] I thought we had that in the coordinates, but maybe I'm talking about it.

[51:00] I didn't see it, but that's the way you should go.

[51:02] I don't think I just want to discuss it.

[51:05] Good, good.

[51:06] Well, it's now 2 a.m.

[51:06] So, I mean, we just reiterated what you guys already said about the 2AM thing.

[51:11] That's what I meant to say.

[51:12] So, yeah, we didn't change that.

[51:15] And the rest of it.

[51:16] I mean, it's pretty strong.

[51:17] I don't know if you guys are getting pushed back.

[51:20] There were some principles in that strategic plan that we thought I'd be a little bit fluff,

[51:26] but we put them in here that it has to be, your life has to be useful and targeted and low-level

[51:32] and controlled.

[51:34] I know this sound a little blurry to a coding enforcement officer, so we tried to define

[51:40] them a little bit, but I don't know, you guys, when you get in here, it might just start

[51:44] reading it.

[51:45] If you kind of get pushed back on that, just know I'm not going to start crying.

[51:49] I just want to make it as strong as we can if you're really going to go through dark sky,

[51:54] go through dark sky.

[51:56] Yeah, so if you're going to do it, we think, okay, we're all in, okay.

[52:00] Okay.

[52:11] My team actually watched me type these, so they don't, there it wasn't too many.

[52:18] What did they talk about again?

[52:23] Oh yeah, and the cur- oh yeah. The curfew was currently drafted as encouraged but not mandatory.

[52:32] So do you want to leave it like that?

[52:34] I do because we're Christmas town.

[52:36] I mean, we did not want to impede a holiday lighting, so we were very, like, everything

[52:45] would have gotten us in during holidays, people want their lights on, yeah, Christmas

[52:50] stand on the weekend.

[52:51] And nothing in the weekends that you picked to have a gas lights on on the main board.

[52:54] Yeah, I love that.

[52:55] Yeah, well, we had events and other things.

[52:58] So you need some lights a little bit.

[53:01] Yes, for safety as well.

[53:03] Yes, for celebrations.

[53:07] We try to do that as much as we can.

[53:12] Well, I'm glad you guys can see me completely.

[53:15] That was like Spanish or something else.

[53:17] Okay.

[53:18] I should take my book.

[53:20] Why is this or something?

[53:21] This is not working.

[53:22] Okay.

[53:23] I got enough gas in the tank for no one.

[53:26] This is the boring one.

[53:27] I should have probably said that for our first.

[53:30] Lidma is your landing spell and management act.

[53:32] This is the skate rules that specifically talk about planning

[53:35] and zoning, and stuff you guys do every day.

[53:38] That's my definition.

[53:40] The legislation in the last five years,

[53:44] they're on its care to just ignore any input from cities

[53:48] and just put, yeah, in-state code.

[53:52] So we've tried to keep up, and my accent for normal,

[53:55] and I'm gonna accent forget stuff,

[53:56] I would like to accent forget something.

[53:59] Oh, there's, there's just some things.

[54:02] The one that, um, well, if I had an on-screen you'd see, there's 130 something changes to your code right now that our teams would not expect you to go through all those, and I definitely am not going to waste your time meeting like this.

[54:16] Read them to you.

[54:17] It's about going to you. It's never going to be your next meeting.

[54:19] But just so you're aware of what we're going through those, we're going to bring to you the ones that are staged.

[54:23] One of them that's the really weird one is, like, you're supposed to define how everything you do legislatively is a town.

[54:30] How to fix a family?

[54:33] Yeah, no child knows how to do that. I don't want to do that. The state on both of the guys called him and said, hey

[54:38] You need to do a quick training for us and teach town's how to do this. Well, like, okay

[54:44] Where do you want me to start there? What the freaking he's like?

[54:47] He's like, that's why we pay you so we don't know how to do that

[54:52] We think we're gonna put something in your code and I'm not making this up

[54:56] The current thought, the way that's actually written,

[54:59] and there's some room in this community,

[55:01] the way that's written is if

[55:03] say the planning commission wants to

[55:05] work on an intersection problem or something,

[55:07] and they're gonna write them in a speed limit

[55:10] to city council.

[55:13] Part of that has to talk about how that's gonna influence

[55:16] the solemn family nature of families.

[55:20] You have to talk about that.

[55:21] So what we're gonna do, this is how we're screwing it,

[55:24] not screwing it, but this is how we're complying

[55:25] I think clearly you can get your recordings.

[55:28] The way we're going to do this really accurately is

[55:31] put something in your code that says,

[55:34] whenever a city is drafting an ordinance,

[55:37] one of the recitals, that's the part that says,

[55:39] where else?

[55:40] Where else?

[55:41] Those are your recitals.

[55:42] One of the recitals, we'll talk about,

[55:45] in that talk on the panel.

[55:47] So most of the stuff the city does,

[55:49] you're going to say,

[55:50] where else, we've studied this,

[55:52] and it's impact on the family.

[55:53] It doesn't impact the family.

[56:03] So, yeah, that's one of those.

[56:07] Again, it's going to come to you.

[56:08] The City Council is going to care about a lot more than you guys.

[56:12] Just saying that we are aware of those changes.

[56:15] I hope we know all of them.

[56:18] So when you see some stuff in there, if you go cut, we don't do this for fun.

[56:24] We don't think we're not looking pretty stuff to do.

[56:26] We need to go, it's coming from somewhere and we try to cite it when we get into our

[56:30] like three themes and reports, we get back to you guys like, okay, we did this, we did

[56:36] this.

[56:37] Yeah, that is our fault and this was totally not our fault, it's the legislation, it's

[56:41] our fault.

[56:41] Just say no.

[56:42] That's where it's going from.

[56:46] Your fees and, oh, that's another thing that, let me ask you about this, how many

[56:50] He's self-indivisions to his helper, actually, my average, I can't even hear you guys do a lot of that, you know that?

[56:58] His helper, so he pretty much was planted out.

[57:01] I like to plant out.

[57:03] Like, taking a 28% harvest.

[57:05] Yeah, I mean, it's happened like twice in a year.

[57:07] Yeah, it doesn't happen very often.

[57:11] Okay, good enough.

[57:13] Yeah.

[57:14] That one got to be like crazy in 2000.

[57:23] So, just six months now it's gone and something's bigger so it's just gone through and it's

[57:29] like a top-of-the-age.

[57:32] But you had, there were these rib cords that you guys had to turn around and stuff

[57:35] in 15 days.

[57:38] Much like you didn't say what a day is, a business day or a calendar day.

[57:41] It's just all the stuff.

[57:44] They've been trying to polish that.

[57:45] Yeah, the one reason I bring that up with you guys is that land use authority.

[57:51] I think your current is

[57:55] 17 or so

[58:06] there's some code business in our areas others.

[58:10] It's a lot of pretty fresh.

[58:12] Yeah.

[58:12] It was done in the state.

[58:15] It's 30 inches.

[58:16] Yeah, it's very normal.

[58:19] Okay, so one of the things that will go into your code, and we're not there yet, it's a simple table that says,

[58:25] if I'm coming to help or city to do a commissional use permit for a whatever, a hair salon,

[58:31] you missed all the hair salon stuff.

[58:33] Okay.

[58:34] Anyway, it was a hair salon favor, kind of.

[58:37] It was really good.

[58:38] Anyway, if I'm coming to the city, then the table should say, like the application starts here,

[58:45] and this person will consider it, and this body with its client commission and staff,

[58:49] or wherever the city council.

[58:51] They're the approved authority, and then the field authority.

[58:55] And so, when it comes to your self-advisions,

[58:59] right now, your code says, for final plot approval,

[59:03] which, by the way, is just kind of great.

[59:05] I think some of this is super-owned, man.

[59:07] They can get super-engineering, and they can get really complicated.

[59:11] Yours, right now, just says the administrative language authority

[59:16] the way that this kind of be a prober at the end is your city administrator. I thought

[59:23] most of you administrators don't want to be the person on the hood. They don't like it.

[59:29] They don't like it because it's technical and it binds them. It's their signature on it.

[59:33] So the subject is not bad. They did. They don't like it because it's technical and it binds them.

[59:38] So we changed that too, unless you guys want us to keep it that way.

[59:43] And then again, the only reason isn't to come out to play in the commission or to see a council,

[59:47] it's the stakes that you can't put this much of stuff in.

[59:50] So, we have to find somebody.

[59:51] So, we put your city attorney.

[59:54] What do you think about that?

[59:56] Knowing you only do two years, get back.

[59:58] You do it.

[59:59] You do it.

[1:00:00] Two and eight years, you know, that seems correct to me. You won't have to be involved at that. She would be otherwise, if you want. Thank you, sir, I appreciate it. We can't keep going, because hold us on to our core. Okay. I'm so sorry guys. I move to the latest. Do what you got to do, but actually that was my big one. I can just not housekeeping.

[1:00:36] Okay, I have a motion to close the meeting, for the board workshop, can I get a second?

[1:00:49] I got a second from Pat, so we adjourned the meeting.

[1:00:53] Meeting is adjourned.

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