[0:00] The waiting room, one second? Perfect. You're always looking out for it, yeah.

[0:04] Recording in progress. Okay, good evening, late afternoon, whatever you like to call it. My call to order

[0:12] the regular meeting of the City Council of the City of Hayden Hills for Monday, September

[0:17] 14th, 2026. For members of the public participating being a Zoom, to experience a technical

[0:23] difficult. Please contact City Hall at 888889281. Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[1:00] City Clerk Gonzalez, may we please have the roll call.

[1:04] Yes, Council Member Weber.

[1:06] Reson council member McCorkan Dale is absent tonight. Council member Gold here mayor

[1:13] Potem Seagull here and mayor Loja here

[1:18] Before we continue. Do we need to have a vote to excuse council member before you know

[1:27] Okay

[1:28] Do you know you call for a vote for the excuse council member before you know yes, of course council member Weber

[1:34] Yes, council member Gold. Yes mayor Potem Seagull

[1:41] Okay, before we move on into the agenda, if there's no objections from the council, I'd like to move a portion of item 10 under staff comments to up now, rather than wait till the end of the evening.

[1:57] Any objections?

[1:58] No problem.

[2:01] Okay.

[2:02] With that, I'd like to introduce Sunny Sultani from Alshaira Weidenar, our special counsel

[2:08] who has part of the staff comments, who will be providing a personal opinion saying.

[2:14] Thank you.

[2:15] Honorable Mayor, members of the council, members of the public.

[2:19] I am reporting that former city manager, Gloria Molata, is no longer with the city and there

[2:29] has been a voluntary separation as a Friday, 28, 20, 20, 6.

[2:36] And because this is a personnel matter, that is all I can say about it.

[2:45] Okay.

[2:45] Thank you very much.

[2:49] Now if the council was fine with it, I'm going to return to the regular order of the agenda.

[2:54] I'm going to do my duty.

[2:57] I'm going to do staff comments, public comment at the end.

[2:59] We just wanted that.

[3:00] I started.

[3:01] Okay.

[3:01] So that it would be announced and done.

[3:06] You're okay with that right, Lauren.

[3:10] Okay, also present this evening are the following members of City staff, Assistant City Manager,

[3:16] Acting City Manager Amber Servan, City Attorney Lauren Langer, City Clerk, Dina Gonzalez, City Engineer,

[3:23] Michael Akerman, Administrative Assistant, Sarah Porter, Emergency Services Coordinator, Nick Salbedar,

[3:29] You are all already got to hear from Sunning, Saltini from all of our Weiner and we have an extended team from trans tech today

[3:37] And I'm going to wait and let them all introduce themselves and we have a long agenda and we want to serve. We want to keep moving things to

[3:44] We will begin tonight with I am 3A the Los Angeles County Fire Department report for July and August Chief Assistant Chief Drew Smith is here

[3:59] Thank you

[4:00] That's why we love hidden health.

[4:03] So we're proud to be your fire department.

[4:05] So thank you for all the support.

[4:08] And it really reflects on when we're interacting

[4:11] in the community with the public and it's wonderful.

[4:14] So your jurisdictional fire station everybody

[4:16] that comes through really appreciate the support

[4:20] from your city.

[4:22] So I didn't see anything out of the ordinary

[4:24] for July and August.

[4:26] Actually, what was out of the ordinary was July

[4:28] is the responses were actually down to seven, which is meaning it was either way too hot

[4:34] or people are out of town. So we only had several responses that I saw and four of them,

[4:41] which were medical responses and they could intend non-emergency calls, which I like having

[4:48] those higher. And the reason I say that on those non-emergency calls is we like to go out and evaluate

[4:57] what the need is, so that's what I really like.

[5:00] Those calls that come and come in, not being emergency, but that means people are out paying attention

[5:05] and they see something they call. For August, a total of 16 responses, so that's right in the time,

[5:11] Primal, or what we look at, monthly is somewhere between 9 and 15-ish just depends on, you know,

[5:19] what their nature throws our way with the heat or whether it be rain or how it is, so I didn't see anything.

[5:25] But the one thing that was glaring, which was UD, was zero snake calls for July and August.

[5:33] And that was UD to me.

[5:34] We started out with everybody having them earlier in the spring and early summer, but

[5:39] zero is we went into July and August.

[5:44] So, hopefully those will continue to decline, because usually,

[5:48] may through August's our highest month, so we start tapering down as we get in September

[5:54] and October as we get in the fall.

[5:57] So I'll give an update on where we're at as far as the organization.

[6:01] As you know that we're in the last couple weeks of summer we're going to be headed into fall

[6:07] which we know is there is a prime wild fire season and it's a wind dependent fire regime out here.

[6:14] So we know that mother nature does focus those sand and winds on us.

[6:18] On average, in a year, we'll get anywhere between five and eight red flag events, which happen

[6:24] usually between October 1st and my first measuring stick is Halloween.

[6:28] Second one is Thanksgiving, and then the third one is Christmas, as we see within that window,

[6:34] routinely is when we get our significant east-wind events. And with that being said,

[6:40] you can have the same outcome on a hot, dry windy or just dry windy as we know that there's a big

[6:47] focus on the PDS, particularly dangerous situation.

[6:52] You can have the same fire effects on a red flag day

[6:57] as you can a PDS day.

[6:59] So just because you have a PDS does not mean

[7:03] that the fire is going to be more rapid, more growth,

[7:08] or more intense.

[7:09] You can have those same effects on a red flag day.

[7:12] So what I don't want is people do be sensitized

[7:16] the point to where, well, it's not a PDF, so it's just a red flag, and it's not that bad.

[7:21] When it's a red flag, that means that we have vulnerabilities.

[7:25] And that is when our live people, moisters, are at its lowest, or the driest.

[7:29] And the wind is at its strongest, in the relative humidities, really drive a lot of what happens

[7:36] in the absence of precipitation.

[7:38] In the S, we did get on average an inch of rain over this last monsoonal flow that we had,

[7:47] but truthfully that doesn't really suppress or damper what we have going into in the fall.

[7:53] I put it this way. It took the dust off all the plants that are out there.

[7:59] The vegetation is very responsive to change, and that change happens daily, but on a forecast

[8:05] where we look and identify with the area, I don't think anybody is unaware that we're going

[8:11] into a red flag or we're going to have high winds, so we need to have that preparedness.

[8:16] And so I appreciate all of our cities out here, the collaboration we have in the communication

[8:22] we have and just remember any of that information that's going to go out, it's going to come

[8:27] from your favorite making career who's going to give us the message in what happens.

[8:32] The coordination with your agencies for your city ahead and hills is with Los Angeles County Fire Department, which has a direct protection agreement for hidden hills, also a venture county fire and also Los Angeles City fire department.

[8:46] Any time that there is a fire that is reported, you get our three agencies on a automatic response to the area.

[8:54] So that goes all the way from here to the 1-18 freeway.

[8:58] It goes from here on the other side of the freeway through Calapassus, along Mowholm, into

[9:03] Pangecaine.

[9:04] He get all the agencies there on initial attack response.

[9:07] We don't wait to call and ask for help.

[9:09] That's an immediate initial response that you get, which is an excess of about 51 pieces of equipment,

[9:17] with a total of six aircraft.

[9:19] So nowhere else is that happening anywhere.

[9:21] So, I just want to give you a highlight on what this fall is looking like and that is that

[9:29] for on average to have that potential for those red flag events until Mother Nature gives us

[9:35] two inches or more of rain that doesn't make it that fire season and over what it does

[9:43] is it actually moistens those fuels and when we start to see that we have green up and those

[9:48] new grasses that helps with the receptive fuel bed of a fire star. So the effects can be less

[9:55] than but still challenging if there was no rain. So that's the first thing we look at as

[10:00] We've got two measurable inches of rain in that. We really look at that when it happens between October and December.

[10:08] So with that, is there any questions from my wonderful city council?

[10:12] Yeah,

[10:14] pool hydrants, pool hydrants, it's not a requirement of the fire department, do you

[10:22] what's their position on that sense?

[10:24] So, depends on, not every pool hydrant is treated the same.

[10:29] So, meaning just because there's a hydrant, it depends on how that water is supplied.

[10:35] So, meaning our domestic water that we have through here on their fire hydrants are under pressure.

[10:39] And in this area, they'll deliver anywhere between 70 and 140 pounds of pressure and we can hook up those and it comes with volume.

[10:48] And a pool, depending on its size, depending on its location, it is gravity fed or we have to what it is draft from it.

[10:55] So we use special hoses that are what we call hard suction.

[10:59] So we can't use a regular hose because it will collapse, so we have to hook up to that and pull that water from the pool.

[11:06] So when we do have people that put in pools and have a fire department connection and has to be at the right size and type, because we use a national standard host threat.

[11:17] So we have other appliances that we could get into that.

[11:22] So we do support that we think it is a great value if it's identified if we have people that are doing any modifications or pool, they can allow us to have fire department accesses in a place that we can get our fire truck.

[11:35] that and use that within a 20-foot reach.

[11:39] So that's why hydrants are placed where they are.

[11:42] And also the fire department connection for a pool system

[11:47] or draft hydrant is favorable that is within a 20-foot piece.

[11:51] Because we don't have, we have a lot of regular hose.

[11:56] We get a lot of length out of our engines,

[12:00] but on those hard sections, there are only in 20-foot pieces.

[12:03] that's why they need to be 20 feet within the streets so we can access that.

[12:08] But we do favor hydrants that are hooked up to pools.

[12:13] Okay, thank you.

[12:14] That was it?

[12:16] I have a question.

[12:17] Yes, sir.

[12:19] If I'm correctly reading the weather projections,

[12:24] there's a potential force that's significant amount of range

[12:27] between now and the end of the year.

[12:28] anything we should be doing different in terms of emergency preparation, and any coordination

[12:35] we should be doing with you given the fact that the rain events can cause as much damage

[12:41] sometimes.

[12:42] Yes.

[12:44] So, that's also going to come out for making on any preparedness.

[12:47] So we have, if we know that we have a storm, a storm could be at east-wing event.

[12:53] We have that preparedness, so we know that we may transition into a red light day, but

[12:57] will also have measurable precipitation that is going to put us in a certain phase of a

[13:02] mud and debris flow. The good thing is the Wolsey Fire of 2018 has watershed down that

[13:10] is different than it was in 2019, 2020, and so on, because as those fuels mature, the soil

[13:20] disturbance from the rain is actually collected different because of the vegetation that's

[13:25] there. However, we still do identify with our public works partners on what the forecast is

[13:31] with our national weather service partners. So yes, there's always the potential regardless

[13:37] if you have a burn scar or not that we have to have that preparedness. So looking at our homeowners

[13:41] who they can make sure if you have just like we clean out our rain gutters for debris because of fires,

[13:48] we need to save thanks so your water can flow through those gutters system because it can't compromise

[13:53] a house you can have flooding issues. Also looking at any of the prevent any flooding that you have

[14:00] so the landscaping makes sure that that water flows, the words supposed to flow. The preparedness

[14:06] we have and we have that readiness that we look at that intelligence every day on what we do.

[14:12] And if there's any significance of that, we get that community out to all of our cities out here.

[14:19] just sort of switch back to the fires side of this. Typically we do rush clearance around

[14:25] the city within the city, you know, once a year that kind of made it July, June timeframe.

[14:33] This year as a council we decided to be, we decided to allocate enough funds to be able to

[14:39] do it multiple times. When should we be looking at an assessment to see if we need to actually

[14:45] We do question questions again.

[14:48] That's a great question.

[14:49] So just know that and we talked about this before.

[14:52] It's a timing on that.

[14:54] And how we want that brush clearance.

[14:56] We're told that the fence will space requirements to look.

[14:59] The number.

[15:00] One contributor to fire to start and spread is grass. The grass has to be dry and receptive. If we get into our January, February, March, April would average rainfall, and we have all this green grass, we go, and it's whether it's weed whipped, whether it's mode, whether it's used goats, it could come back again because Mother Nature doesn't turn off. The sprinkler system usually till mid-April.

[15:28] So you could have a robust grass cutting endeavor and then you could be back doing it again in another month because the annual reign that we get, which is about 14 inches for the area.

[15:46] So we have to time it to answer your question.

[15:48] I am a big fan of we look at going into why we do our

[15:52] defensive space inspections in May because as we know in April's when we usually

[15:58] don't get precept Mother Nature starts putting us into a seasonal drought which is

[16:03] normal because we don't get much rainfall after April 15th ish as we look into May

[16:10] June July August September is the targeted time frame where we have to be most

[16:15] prudent with any of the grasses that need to be modified or thinned or cut.

[16:24] The audience have any questions for Chief Smith and anybody on Zoom?

[16:30] No hands raised, Mayor.

[16:32] Thank you.

[16:33] We're everything you guys do.

[16:34] We are greatly appreciate it.

[16:36] All right.

[16:37] Thank you.

[16:43] Okay.

[16:44] We will now move on to item 3v.

[16:45] The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Tribor reports for July and August.

[16:48] Deputy Brian Not will provide the report.

[16:51] I

[16:55] wanted to stand the innovation. That's fine. I'll just continue.

[17:01] Deputy Notte, I've been at the station 19 years. I'm leaving in January. I've

[17:06] served. Hidden Hills throughout all that time. It's been great. I love this

[17:11] community. Deputy Body is fantastic and he's on vacation and I'm filling

[17:16] in for him and he's back tomorrow and then you can give him all your complaints.

[17:22] He wrote me a nice little script and put on my glasses.

[17:26] It says, for July there was no where the crimes and for August 6th in the 24-800

[17:36] block of Long Valley, there was a person who was found squatting at a residence and using the

[17:41] caretaker's vehicle.

[17:43] He was arrested for burglary and taking the vehicle without the owner's consent.

[17:47] And as of September 3rd, the suspect was still in custody and his next hearing date was on the 16th.

[17:56] And we know about the situation with the e-bikes, I think, from yesterday.

[18:02] And I think Deputy Body is going to address that with Council when he gets back.

[18:06] I believe he's back here tomorrow.

[18:09] But he got calls in Hawaii, so he's working from there.

[18:13] And that is it, I'd like to say hi to my buddies over here.

[18:19] They are a great bunch of people.

[18:21] They really help us out also from our station level.

[18:24] So it's good to see you.

[18:26] And it's good to see all the fun faces, even Drew.

[18:29] I haven't seen Drew.

[18:32] Even Drew.

[18:33] Yeah, I haven't seen Drew.

[18:35] Drew and I used to do this all the time.

[18:38] So yeah.

[18:40] Any questions?

[18:50] I'm

[18:54] not a weird one. I can find out. I can let you know, but that'd be Calvass's

[18:59] Murrow,

[19:02] right at roundabout. I can find out. Okay. Last night. Okay, I'll find out.

[19:10] Anybody else in the audience have questions for Deputy Not? How about anybody on Zoom?

[19:14] There are no hands-faced Mayor.

[19:17] Thank you very much, sir.

[19:18] Thanks for your service.

[19:18] Yeah, thank you, everybody.

[19:19] Good to see all of you.

[19:20] I'm going to go watch the Emmys.

[19:25] Thank you.

[19:28] OK, we will now move on to item 3C, the public safety and emergency services report for July and August.

[19:34] Emergency services coordinator and next down the bar is going to make the presentation.

[19:39] Everybody?

[19:41] All right, we'll start with July.

[19:43] We had 57 citations issued in the month of July.

[19:48] the top sight was for failure to stop the stop sign.

[19:54] Yes, I wouldn't spend a heavy one.

[19:56] The 40 sights were issued for that one alone.

[20:00] The other ones were texting while driving and using your cell phone while driving. For certain news, we had no, well, back up, we had no crimes that were noticeable, noticeable. Notable. During that month, however we did say goodbye to my grant, we had a nice send off for him, for certain, and thank you guys for coming out for that. For the month of August, we had 35 citations issued, again, 2644, failure stop to stop side.

[20:30] We talked about the burglary that occurred.

[20:34] That's being handled by Elink County Sheriff's Department.

[20:36] He's just talked about.

[20:37] And then we did have a certain meeting that month.

[20:41] We were talking about how we can get more

[20:44] convening community engagement from

[20:46] Sirt and have more people in the community join us.

[20:49] So we're talking about maybe putting on some training within the city.

[20:53] And the last notable thing was the Sheriff's excuse me.

[20:57] The city is now part of LA RICS and we're using their radio services to help

[21:05] communicate with fire and police during emergency situations.

[21:14] Thank you.

[21:14] Any counseling questions for Nick?

[21:18] Anybody in the audience have questions for Nick?

[21:22] Yes.

[21:23] I'm sorry.

[21:24] I can't see.

[21:31] I was just wondering there's always been a very good relationship

[21:34] And I believe that your evacuation is like the

[21:38] Mount Meadow Elementary School, and I just wanted to see if there's been

[21:42] conversations with the school and making sure that that I think they have

[21:48] radios that connect with us here to make sure that that is active now the

[21:53] school year has started.

[21:54] So I did talk to you each of the way and I did talk to when I first

[21:58] started here with the school district about that.

[22:01] We are actively working on a situation.

[22:02] are asking me a plan that we can have certain exits and entrances shut down so that we

[22:09] can have the kids come in and be safe area while we're transporting up from the school

[22:14] to the H.O.A. So we're working on that actually.

[22:22] There are no hands race, Mayor.

[22:24] The head of the question is when can we expect that they have that evacuation plan finalized?

[22:30] So we started talking to the school district about it and we're working with Ellie County

[22:34] You're a department about that, hopefully by end of October.

[22:38] So maybe a presentation in November?

[22:41] Sure. Absolutely. Thank you.

[22:45] Mary? I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt.

[22:48] There is a black Chevy Tahoe license plate ending in 773.

[22:54] That's on the inside parking lot that is blocking cars.

[22:57] And people are unable to get out.

[23:01] Thank you.

[23:09] Okay, we want to move on to item 3, D, and update on the round metomer roads, landscaping

[23:17] projects, city engineer, Michael Aquaman, we'll make the presentation.

[23:24] Thank you council staff and residents for attendance tonight.

[23:28] We are lucky enough to have Camille with studio M.A. here to make the presentation for the round

[23:34] that old landscaping update.

[23:45] The shape being here.

[23:47] I think that we've just given you a little history,

[23:49] which I know many of you already know,

[23:51] because you've been engaged in the process,

[23:53] but we have a little slideshow for you here.

[23:57] I think Dean is going to put that up for us.

[24:04] And this is the first image.

[24:06] I'm not sure if we can get a full screen on that,

[24:09] but it's a little small.

[24:11] But hopefully the viewers from home can see it too.

[24:14] So this is just the original condition

[24:16] out at Merrill Road when everything first started.

[24:19] Some of you long time ago, people were going to have to pull it off to Z-Bell and all of

[24:25] that.

[24:25] All of that is gone now, but we want to just give you update on where we are, so you can go to

[24:30] the second slide.

[24:31] It's

[24:54] a pity, absolutely. You can just roll out some of the people.

[25:14] We

[25:20] did it today. We have an automated in AI so you could walk through. This is from a couple of years ago, or from a little while ago.

[25:33] Probably what's most important about those is just that, you know, there's just the black material that was tired and it needed to be updated.

[25:40] Everybody can somebody go help to see if it's in our point. We can just do a slideshow.

[25:45] I think

[26:12] they know we can see them.

[26:17] It's like they make stickers on them.

[26:20] I don't know how and you do little stickers on here.

[26:22] Okay, there we go.

[26:23] So this is the flat drill plan.

[26:27] I just wanted to show you how that was going.

[26:29] This is what you saw in the last time I was here.

[26:32] What is slightly different about it is the bottom band.

[26:35] We did get approval from the city to incorporate the county portions, so it'll integrate beautifully by the time it finishes.

[26:46] They need to go to the next slide.

[26:51] This was the rendering.

[26:52] This is what we're working to achieve.

[26:54] Some minor plant material changes, but basically overall this is what is being built today.

[27:00] So the build is underway.

[27:08] This is an overview of that same corner.

[27:13] And then this is just wanted to give you kind of an overview of what's happening out there.

[27:19] And so the top row is showing the condition when we kicked off Bill.

[27:25] And that was once the bid was accepted from the general contractor.

[27:29] So it's just showing some of the difficult conditions that were up there.

[27:33] The fence was needing repairs, so that is getting done.

[27:36] the path was needing repair and it is going to be replaced.

[27:41] It's already been demoed.

[27:42] You can see the old retaining wall back there.

[27:45] It has already been replaced now.

[27:47] And a small garden wall has been put in front of that and that's been taken out.

[27:52] If you go to the next image, you'll see them starting to lay that path.

[27:55] Oops, I'm sorry.

[27:56] Can you go back to that one?

[27:58] Yeah, we'll just stay on this one.

[27:59] So in road two, image one.

[28:02] You'll see the establishment of recreating that path.

[28:06] that will now be with papers to give it a longer, longer duration of use and better durability.

[28:15] In image 2, you just start to see some of the guys moving dirt and the really good team out there.

[28:22] Moving dirt around and it's coming together.

[28:24] You can see the final layout of that path.

[28:27] And then on the right side, you'll see the form that's as they're putting in the low wall.

[28:33] And that's already just been completed.

[28:34] And then if you go to the first one, it's being hidden by a demon's name, but if you

[28:41] can picture it, and if you get time when you're driving by, and the one in the left

[28:45] is a very precarious corner, so if you can look out that way, these trees are all right.

[28:51] This is a big oak in the bottom left, you see.

[28:54] You know, it looks like it's a magnificent specimen.

[28:58] It has all those trees arrived.

[29:00] They've all been set in place.

[29:01] They're not all planted.

[29:02] Yeah, we're just doing that, doing soil amendment,

[29:08] prepping everything.

[29:09] You can see that same tree, actually in the second image

[29:13] on the third row with the guy standing next to it

[29:15] isn't placing that.

[29:17] You can see some easy job to do to those of you who like to work

[29:21] in your garden.

[29:22] It's a big job and they are doing that right there.

[29:25] And then as you go to the last two images,

[29:28] you'll see the fence has been replaced,

[29:30] This is kind of small for this audience, but hopefully that home audience can also see it.

[29:35] You can see the fences have been patched completely.

[29:38] You paint it.

[29:39] The new plant material is going up the hill.

[29:42] The neighbor has taken care of her side of the fence and is working on.

[29:47] Her side of the fence is there's some overgrowth plants there.

[29:51] And then the new plant material is coming in and this is just showing it in the last image.

[29:55] it's sitting as it is going to engage of me.

[30:02] And then, Dean, I'm not positive. There's the one last one just to talk about might not be there. This might be there. Okay, this is just showing it done now. So you can see everything's been incorporated. This is showing the path. The county has agreed. Thanks to your team. You did a great job with the county to eliminate what was a really hazardous exit. Way on that paragraph. Thank you for the walk there before.

[30:30] It used to go straight out just into the street like worst location and we had been waiting and waiting and hoping they would give us that and you're

[30:40] Transfect team got that for us and so that end piece that used to see on the very first slide has been removed. So let's just be a beautiful little turnaround

[30:50] and you can get to the end and explore the plant materials. There's a lot to be learned from the plant materials. They're all on me.

[30:58] fire mitigation list, they are all wonderful specimens in terms of water.

[31:04] And so really worth looking at, there's a couple of

[31:07] feature things that are a little more special than that.

[31:10] But because this doesn't have structures, we were a lot used

[31:14] materials we have.

[31:16] And that's it.

[31:17] So it's going to complete on itself.

[31:18] I think you can give you a better idea of that final date.

[31:22] But we seem to be on going on and on schedule and hitting on

[31:29] If there's questions, I'd like to answer.

[31:31] Thank you very much.

[31:32] Can I ask you a lot of any questions for Camille?

[31:34] I'd love to hear a date.

[31:39] Right.

[31:40] I don't know if we know that.

[31:42] Yeah, thank you for the question.

[31:45] The current date for completion is November of 26,

[31:49] but we expected to be complete before then.

[31:52] And in November of the beginning of November.

[31:54] Hopefully, the beginning of November.

[31:57] Okay.

[31:57] He's there.

[31:58] I'm there.

[32:00] Don't you remember?

[32:01] No.

[32:02] Good.

[32:03] Good.

[32:04] Anybody in the audience have any questions for Camilla Rykel?

[32:07] Can I have a minute?

[32:13] Ted Rosenquist?

[32:16] Do we have any legal liability because we've designed the path?

[32:23] So, a homeless guy, for example, can sleep back there?

[32:27] do something is that our property

[32:33] thank you for the question that is the city's

[32:36] property and I believe it's the same liability is as all right of way within the

[32:42] city's property and city properties but yeah somebody was sleeping there that would

[32:46] be something we would want to address so just let us respect it

[32:53] you please take the

[32:54] liability question sure I think that is correct and as with any public property you

[33:00] want to properly maintain and make sure that you're watching and make sure that you handle

[33:04] issues. As they come up, report them to the city. If you see anything in that way, they

[33:08] know to take appropriate action and protect the city.

[33:11] So, if I remember correctly, one of the things that was a little controversial that we decided

[33:16] as a council was to remove the drinking fountain. Okay. Because we felt that, yeah, I think anything

[33:25] that gave reason for groups of adults to congregate next to an elementary school was not a great idea.

[33:38] So we did make, we did do some of these considerations and sort of look at that.

[33:41] We think we came up with the right balance of the answer.

[33:44] Good.

[33:45] Thank you.

[33:53] I have some questions.

[33:54] This corner is costing $835,000, I believe, with these changes and I know some of it comes

[34:04] from measure R and some from measure M. But I don't know if you noticed that you voted

[34:11] to approve alternate C and the executed contract shows a different price which was alternate

[34:17] a city council, a city manager signed off on.

[34:23] And at that meeting, I thought Stuart wisely mentioned that it would be nice to have that

[34:30] opportunity if we were going to spend that much money to get a right turn lane out of

[34:35] that congested area.

[34:37] I have asked before about seeing a permit for that, and I have not been given it was a request

[34:45] that I made officially and writing,

[34:49] and I just

[34:50] not anything about the design or what you've done,

[34:53] but the process of this.

[34:58] There's no sign up there that...

[35:00] Has like the city of Hen Hills has asked residents and all construction to have, which has contact information, has information about AQMD contact, et cetera.

[35:12] So I've asked several times, I've never gotten a response, I've not gotten a copy of the permit for that, and from my understanding and from a request for public documents, there was no secret.

[35:27] CQ, I'm sorry, CQA, CQA, right?

[35:31] Done for that, and that is required for something of that scope.

[35:36] No environmental review.

[35:38] No coordination with the school, which was quite alarming to concern that that was going on.

[35:44] And there have been multiple times I've gone by there, and trucks are standing out into the street,

[35:49] or you come around the corner, and there's this truck out there.

[35:53] So, you know, Fender, a bumper, I have great concerns about this that remain unanswered.

[36:06] Maybe I have a question for Michael.

[36:08] Is this project a landscaping project?

[36:11] Not like a construction construction, like building a house.

[36:17] Right, thank you for the question.

[36:18] It is a landscaping project.

[36:21] Okay, so we don't need to post those signs for landscaping project, do we?

[36:28] We typically do post signs where the signs are being posted as we speak.

[36:35] Okay. Fantastic.

[36:37] We have a list of questions that have come up and so we will take them and we will respond.

[36:43] And just one more thing that there was coordination between the school district and the city.

[36:49] And I have one final for Lauren. Is this is the exam from sequo?

[36:55] Typically there are exemptions for landscaping projects and minor alterations to land, so I would imagine that that's how this project was looked at.

[37:07] Okay, Barbara, go ahead.

[37:08] I have a question with the fact that is in the city of Hidden Hills, but is outside the gates.

[37:18] What procedure is planned to make sure that nobody does end up on the property and create an issue,

[37:25] especially across the street from the school.

[37:28] I'm sure everyone gets watched every day,

[37:30] I probably get 10 texts of fires everywhere.

[37:34] And that to me is an opportunity for someone

[37:37] even if the plant materials are fire resistant

[37:39] to start something.

[37:41] So is there any plan that somebody's going to be driving

[37:44] by the cover six every day, stopping walking

[37:47] through the property, making sure that nobody's there

[37:49] that shouldn't be there?

[37:53] Well, my only comment would be that we had a gazebo

[37:57] with a fire height, with a drinking fountain there for 20 years.

[38:03] I don't recall there ever being an issue less of a strike than we have.

[38:16] The direct answer to the question is, we do not contract with covered

[38:19] sister services.

[38:20] The covered six contract is covered with the HOA.

[38:23] This is outside the HOA.

[38:25] I don't think we made any special provisions.

[38:28] we rely on the sheriff's department, you know, we do contract for a sheriff's patrol car, we would the city, you know,

[38:53] Do we still have the homeless outreach?

[39:00] Okay, so we have a homeless outreach guy that comes around and checks for homeless people.

[39:12] and he was partly paid for him in Wales and partly paid for him.

[39:18] He stayed by the car because they called him.

[39:20] He needed no service at the city risk.

[39:22] And he has found in the past a homeless guy that was sleeping in the gazebo.

[39:30] So much as I love that gazebo, I didn't know if we were going to take it out, but it made sense

[39:38] fire-wise, too, because it was the lepidated wood. So what we've

[39:44] have done on that corner is a lot more fire-safe than it was in the past.

[39:51] It'll be well maintained, and hopefully with the homeless outreach.

[40:00] Make sure that no homeless person decides to camp out there.

[40:06] Yeah, he'll be or she'll be helped by the homeless outreach coordinator who can provide them with services and referrals and all that good stuff.

[40:19] So the other thing I would say is that I encourage everyone to reach out to us if you see something, say something.

[40:25] So please reach out. If you use that entry, then let us know if you see something that you don't like. Thank you.

[40:35] All right.

[40:37] My question is, is if this is just a landscaping project, how does it qualify for measure our funds?

[40:45] That's my question.

[40:52] Yeah, maybe we should just write it down, yeah.

[40:56] Great question, and we will get back to you.

[41:00] All right, is there anyone else in the audience that would like to comment?

[41:04] Anybody on Zoom?

[41:06] There are no hands raised, Mayor.

[41:07] Mayor, Michael.

[41:09] Thank you.

[41:11] And we will do our followers.

[41:13] We will now move to item three and update on the proposed cemetery.

[41:16] at the former Bowling Treeland property city attorney line or will present?

[41:22] Sure, thank you Mr. Mayor.

[41:23] In addition to information that the city has been updating on its website, we wanted to provide a brief update tonight to the community just to provide additional information as we learn it.

[41:34] First and foremost, I think it's important to remind everyone that the property is located entirely within the city of Los Angeles, not hidden hills.

[41:41] So Los Angeles is the entity responsible for reviewing the project, determining applicable zoning

[41:46] and environmental requirements and issuing permits.

[41:49] Hidden Hills did not and cannot approve the project and cannot approve or deny it.

[41:54] The city has been actively monitoring, beginning last year Hidden Hills has had access through

[41:59] my firm to attorneys with experience in cemetery land use matters, investigated the applicable

[42:04] Los Angeles requirements, submitted written letters to Los Angeles planning, mail the detailed

[42:10] application package to every resident in the city, we've submitted public records requests

[42:15] and continuously monitored and posted permutactivity as we learn it to the city's website.

[42:20] It was quiet for many, many months. There has been some activity in recent months. We understand

[42:26] that various applications have been submitted to the city of Los Angeles for a cemetery covering

[42:32] the approximate 32 acres, approximately 14,000 square foot more toary, maintenance building,

[42:38] with grading and related lighting and infrastructure.

[42:42] Some demolition and utility permits have been issued by the City of Los Angeles, but the major grading,

[42:47] more toary, maintenance building, lighting, and cemetery permits remain in various stages of review.

[42:53] This is not a standard linear application where one package is submitted, and we can get the package in review.

[42:59] It is a variety of different permits and requests, and it's just not a typical review process.

[43:04] So, it can be hard and complicated to gather all the information and put it together.

[43:10] We recently heard reports that Los Angeles may have issued an administrative public

[43:15] benefit determination in June that's related to a portion of the Los Angeles Municipal

[43:21] Code that could permit a cemetery on a certain use if they meet, on a certain land, if

[43:26] they meet certain public benefit requirements.

[43:30] They haven't posted such determination on their website, again, it's not so easily defined,

[43:34] And so we don't yet have any complete approval or supporting record to review, but we're

[43:39] piecing together all that information.

[43:41] We are submitting another public records request this week, requesting more information,

[43:46] because there is limited information on the city's permit portal.

[43:50] We've also reviewed recent communication circulated in the community, as I mentioned, because

[43:56] it's hard to get information on this project.

[43:59] There are outstanding questions and outstanding legal questions.

[44:02] For example, is the cemetery even allowed on this site.

[44:05] We know that certain letters have been submitted to the city of Los Angeles, making arguments

[44:10] one wear the other, and we're waiting to see what Los Angeles says about it.

[44:14] These determinations will impact what level of public hearing and if any environmental review

[44:19] is required.

[44:20] If any sort of discretionary approval is required, a SQL review would generally be required.

[44:27] The California Environmental Quality Act.

[44:29] And then there's the the question with the proposed mortgage-wary building.

[44:33] What piece of recent information that I learned just recently is that I understand that the one demolition permit that has been issued has been appealed through the city of Los Angeles

[44:43] And so there is an appeal pending and through that appeal we expect that the city of Los Angeles will issue a written determination on all the arguments

[44:51] And that will probably be the first time that we can see Los Angeles is positioned on the cemetery on the arguments that have been made

[44:59] and so...

[45:00] I understand in the coming weeks that there should be some response to that appeal. And we eagerly await, reviewing it as do the individuals that have filed that appeal.

[45:11] That decision could be further appeal throughout the city of Los Angeles process. But we don't know what it will say until it's issued. So we're eagerly awaiting that. And once we see it, we can assess further and provide more public updates to the public.

[45:26] There have not been recent communications between the city of Hidden Hills and the developer.

[45:31] I think last year around this time it was reported that any communications about any easements related

[45:38] to the various properties had been installed and there have not to my knowledge have not been any communications since that time.

[45:44] So there are not current negotiations going on with the cemetery developer. It has been quiet since that was last reported publicly

[45:51] And to my knowledge, nothing has changed in that matter.

[45:55] So we will keep the public updated as we know more.

[45:58] We will try and keep that website updated as we know more.

[46:01] As I mentioned, we've found another public records request

[46:04] to try and get as much information as possible,

[46:06] because it's not always so easy to navigate the city of Los Angeles's records

[46:10] and their permit portals, but we're evaluating.

[46:13] And we will report back to the council and the community

[46:15] as we have more information that concludes my report.

[46:18] Any questions from Council?

[46:24] The only, I have this document.

[46:28] I would, I've asked our city attorney to reach out

[46:33] to the attorney for the homeowner that

[46:37] have filed some of these actions to make sure

[46:42] sort of pants and belts and suspenders type of thing.

[46:47] Although we're following up and we're doing

[46:49] our due diligence. There may be more to be learned and I've asked the City Attorney

[46:57] Langer to reach out to that attorney and to the extent that he can communicate

[47:07] without

[47:11] having a negative effect on his attorney client, probably. We'll try and work together

[47:16] right now.

[47:18] Is there

[47:25] anybody in the audience who had that name?

[47:38] Hello, good evening.

[47:41] Yes, so it's my understanding that the attorney for the West Valley group that has been working very hard in opposition and working to get requests information public records that are well-head.

[47:58] I did have a conversation with you, I think, just this afternoon.

[48:04] So the City of LA secretly approved the Stemitary Project back in June.

[48:10] There's a case number that was approved by City Planning, Official Dandel or Nado.

[48:16] And the approval was never listed on CMS, which I believe is what you were referring to

[48:20] the City Planning website.

[48:21] But this group of homeowners who did not want to take the cities, it's not our thing and we shouldn't oppose it and moved ahead with some support from a lot of support from within the community and some support from within Hills as well.

[48:41] So no public notice was issued to the adjacent property owners, no appeal rights were disclosed to the community.

[48:47] The approval was only discovered to a CPRA, which is California Public Records Act requests.

[48:54] The Covenant runs permanently with the land, binding all future owners, and the 90-day

[48:59] challenge closes September 16th, two days from now.

[49:05] And so there has been zero environmental review.

[49:10] They're talking about 121,000 cubic yards for grading.

[49:15] This is an earthquake leak with a liquefification of the qualifications and that was confirmed

[49:23] in the LADBS parcel report and I know if you were here for the earthquake in 1994 there

[49:30] was a lot of damage along the Long Valley we had a lot of red tag homes along Long Valley.

[49:36] This is adjacent to that it's an earthquake's landslide zone also confirmed in that report.

[49:42] Very high hazard, fire hazard, severity zone, also confirmed at that point.

[49:48] There's a blue line stream known as the Calbessis Creek running through the property.

[49:53] LA County flood control debris basin on site, the metropolitan water district pipeline easements.

[50:00] Across the property, there's, I should have brought my water up.

[50:04] All right, my wife.

[50:10] As size of the water does not reflect the comments, maybe.

[50:15] There's 14,455 square foot and retiree that you mentioned with

[50:20] embalming chemicals near that waterway.

[50:23] California law requires full environmental review for projects of this scale and sensitivity,

[50:28] but there has nothing has been obtained for the blue line street.

[50:33] You mentioned that a notice was sent out to the homeowners.

[50:37] There was a multi-page letter sent out when it was first discovered.

[50:41] I think it was last September, August September.

[50:45] And I'm sorry, but it was very much coordinated with the developer.

[50:50] And it was using a lot of their euphemistic phrases.

[50:55] We're not planning this at this time.

[50:58] things like that.

[50:59] We already know that based on having the mortuary, they're legally allowed to move from

[51:04] there to a crematorium.

[51:06] We are very opposed to that.

[51:10] And LADBS admitted demolition permits were issued without secret clearance, but it is required

[51:16] and they called it a department error.

[51:19] So there's a lot going on here, and I'm glad that the city is catching up to what a private

[51:26] group of citizens have put a lot of money behind.

[51:29] And we need more money because we're going to need to file lawsuit.

[51:33] If people are interested, I will provide the information.

[51:41] But there was also, I said this a year ago, September 17th at this meeting, and before,

[51:47] in our engineering reports, and in information, there is talk about phase two for

[51:53] It entails for the Long Valley Gate.

[51:56] Excuse me, Matthew.

[51:57] Your time is up.

[52:01] Excuse me.

[52:06] Really?

[52:06] I can't.

[52:07] She's offering me this to take her time, and I can't have her three minutes.

[52:13] It's up to the council, whether you allow people to see their time.

[52:15] But the other member of the public can speak.

[52:18] I can't.

[52:19] I can't.

[52:20] I can't.

[52:24] I can't.

[52:25] I can't.

[52:26] I can't.

[52:30] I can't.

[52:31] This month, there was conversation about the need for face to at the long valley gate, and it is a great need, but the fact that there's any interconnection between that and agreements that were sent to dignity, whether that's paused or not, is in the background of a lot of this information and our concerns, a citizens that there were quotes that you would look into it and dig into it and make sure, but

[53:00] We're not feeling like that's happening.

[53:02] We're feeling like we as residents are doing it independently.

[53:05] And that if the Phase 2 is a quid pro quo to have an easement

[53:10] and to be playing nicer with dignity, we just are very opposed to that.

[53:16] So, thank you.

[53:17] I think this is one of the largest issues facing our city right now.

[53:26] Anybody else in the audience, like speaker,

[53:30] is there anybody on Zoom?

[53:33] There are no hands raised mayor.

[53:40] Right,

[53:44] so no environmental impact report was filed, mitigating any damage to the stream.

[53:54] Then has been prepared or submitted to the City of Los Angeles and the City of Los Angeles

[53:59] needs to respond to the public and say whether that's required or not.

[54:03] if it's...

[54:04] What's the time people for filing a SQL lawsuit?

[54:12] Is that the 16th?

[54:15] Well, we haven't seen any determination that was made in order to be able to make that determination.

[54:22] But as I mentioned, I understand that there already is an appeal filed with the city of Los Angeles.

[54:27] That should be preserving those arguments for those that have made them and making the city of Los Angeles.

[54:34] But they're positions out in writing so that you can go through the process.

[54:37] I

[54:39] hope the grading there are going to have water trucks there to keep the valley fever out of the air

[54:48] Because that's what you get when you

[54:53] go. I guess we don't know. Okay.

[54:58] Thank you, Ted

[55:00] Anybody else?

[55:10] Judy Fisher. I'm here with my husband, Ron. We are residents of Woodland Hills, and we are

[55:17] very involved with the program that you are actually involved with as well. And I speak for my neighbors,

[55:25] I live in, we live on Cancunette and bodice street backs up to the Trilion property. There are

[55:37] are extremely opposed to this project for a host of reasons, not the least of which is

[55:44] didn't she has made promises to other cemetery properties throughout the country and have

[55:50] reneged on those promises?

[55:52] They have, in fact, been sued by a number of these properties, including Eden's memorial

[55:58] just in the northeast corner of the valley.

[56:01] The property is actually several parcels, it is not just a single parcel, and if

[56:08] dignity comes in, they will be able to sell off, build on, change all of those various

[56:15] parcels.

[56:16] They have already chopped up some of the property in order to make their application to the

[56:23] city of Los Angeles.

[56:23] They have deceived the city of Los Angeles, they have lied on their application, and they

[56:29] misled the people that are want some of this project to go forward.

[56:35] I really believe that there needs to be a great awareness of what dignity and S.E.I.

[56:41] the parent is doing in order to ensure this property.

[56:45] It is an endangerment to our neighborhood.

[56:48] They say it will only have a few cars in and out every day.

[56:51] We all know better when we've been to a funeral.

[56:53] What that means when the cars march in.

[56:56] We also know that this is a highly toxic piece of property and the toxicity has never

[57:03] been mitigated in the 70-plus years that Trialand has owned the property.

[57:09] There's water runoff that has gone into the water system that is also toxic.

[57:15] I don't know if you're aware that there was a cemetery up in the north, he's part of the

[57:26] the taskets actually were arose from the ground.

[57:31] So there are a lot of things that have not been brought to light,

[57:35] that I think is really important for your consideration.

[57:38] And we urge your support, go to the website,

[57:41] nocemeterie.org.

[57:43] We need your help.

[57:44] We need your support.

[57:45] Thank you so much for the opportunity to talk with you.

[57:48] Thank you.

[57:49] And welcome.

[57:50] Who is going to read our neighbors?

[57:56] Anybody else in the audience?

[58:00] There are no hands, raise my.

[58:04] I can just like that.

[58:07] So if you have a follow-up,

[58:09] then we'll move it all up.

[58:12] Now we'll guide the free act to build a safety code

[58:15] that will update the code.

[58:17] We tonight we have a Melissa Verdee

[58:19] who will transmit the feedback to the code.

[58:23] Okay.

[58:23] Yes.

[58:25] We made that a good evening.

[58:28] Good evening on a real mayor Mayor Pro-Tem and city council members on behalf of

[58:33] TransTech.

[58:33] We're so happy to be here to give a fun update of your building and safety

[58:37] Department.

[58:38] I know we have a very short presentation.

[58:40] It's only three slides.

[58:41] And I'm going to kind of talk you through what that is.

[58:44] I think maybe our city part is getting that up.

[58:47] As we're uploading it, my name is Melissa.

[58:50] I'm the CEO of TransTech.

[58:52] With me this evening, I have your building official.

[58:54] Dennis Trango.

[58:55] So one of our directors at TransTech, Rafael Ideas, and on the engineering side, of course,

[59:02] we have our city engineers, Mike Akramin, and all-mod on, sorry.

[59:06] I just want to say that since we've started servicing the city in January, it's truly been

[59:10] an amazing experience for us to work with your community, with the applicants, and we just thank you for your

[59:16] support and leadership.

[59:17] We did prepare that presentation, and should I go ahead and begin as it's being uploaded or

[59:25] You can just give me a moment. Yeah, well kind of all we're waiting

[59:35] I can give you a little bit of background. So we wanted to give you an overview. What is the building and then safety department do for your city?

[59:41] And so

[59:42] TransTech is an extension of the city staff, and in the next slide is kind of what I was going to go after.

[59:49] Is our building and safety department provides plan check services, building official services, building inspection services,

[59:57] as well as permit technician services on behalf of...

[1:00:00] 2 applicants. We've included a screenshot of what that landing page looks like on your website. And we've

[1:00:08] really integrated an easy approach for applicants or developers or not developers. Contractors to

[1:00:14] easily, at any time, 24 hours a day, upload their plans into the system for our plan checkers to

[1:00:20] process them in a timely manner. Customer service has been the forefront of everything that we do in

[1:00:26] city, especially when making sure that the plan checks are coordinated in just under two weeks

[1:00:32] for that first submittal, oftentimes within one week. We really see ourselves as an extension

[1:00:38] of city staff and we're really proud to work alongside each of you, of the community and the

[1:00:44] city staff. And with that, I'm going to go to the next side, which is the more exciting stuff.

[1:00:50] So, in this next slide, we have a breakdown. We wanted to give you a snapshot of what you're building

[1:00:54] and safety division looks like in numbers.

[1:00:57] We started in the beginning of January,

[1:00:59] and we kind of put together a data from January 1,

[1:01:03] 2026 through August 31, just 14 days ago, 2026.

[1:01:09] So here we go.

[1:01:10] The city has issued a total of 106 new permits.

[1:01:14] In addition, we have finaled 82 permits

[1:01:17] that were in review when we began our services in January.

[1:01:20] Our team has conducted 511 building inspections.

[1:01:25] In return around times is 1 to 2 weeks for that first plan check.

[1:01:30] We've reviewed and planned check to total of 208 individual projects,

[1:01:34] which included over 800 pages of documents and reports,

[1:01:38] and collectively all of these represent approximately 11.7 million

[1:01:43] of project evaluation in building permits.

[1:01:47] And so what does that mean? What does project evaluation mean?

[1:01:49] So in order to calculate the appropriate permit fees, the building code requires applicants to

[1:01:56] input an estimated construction cost.

[1:01:58] And this is more for the building side of it, not your, you know, heater or some of those

[1:02:03] more simple things.

[1:02:04] And so that total value of construction for each project includes their estimated materials,

[1:02:10] work, labor, electrical gas, plumbing, et cetera.

[1:02:13] So, you can see that for the eighth month, eight month period, approximately 11.7 evaluation of building permits were conducted in your city, and it reflects an active year, and it's really a testament to, I think, the quick turnaround times, kind of that update in a lot of customer service and customer support that we've been integrating with the city, and with that, on behalf of our team, thank you so much, and Dennis and I are here to answer any questions that you might have.

[1:02:50] You know, it's so relative, so in, you know, you have cities that are 100,000 populations.

[1:02:56] You have cities that are 10,000 population.

[1:02:59] And so you can't really say what the trends are in terms of is it a high number or it's a low number,

[1:03:05] because our people wanting to do construction are people wanting to remodel their homes.

[1:03:10] Maybe last year there was a higher number of remodels happening so they're at their tail end

[1:03:14] of completing those constructions.

[1:03:15] So it's difficult to say necessarily for a city like Hidden Hills, since it is all residential, if it's a higher load number.

[1:03:23] Because there isn't business community in terms of development and restaurants and other types of activities.

[1:03:30] So we feel that it is a reasonable number considering the number of homes that you have and the activities that I've been happening.

[1:03:38] I think that now that the city and the applicants have had a feel for the building and

[1:03:44] safety department there might be more remodels and construction going on in the future.

[1:03:50] But it's I think very relative to the community.

[1:03:55] Council member Seal.

[1:03:58] I wanted to make a statement and one for the people watching at TV and out here, they see some

[1:04:06] these numbers, hundreds of permits,

[1:04:10] and they say, oh my God, we're overbuilding the city

[1:04:13] where people forget that a generator requires a permit,

[1:04:19] solar panels require a permit,

[1:04:22] your Kessler charger and home requires a permit. How about hot water users? They still require

[1:04:28] permits. So the vast majority of these permits being issued are not new homes or major

[1:04:37] remodels. Correct. You're dealing with a little paint piece. The other thing I wanted to say was

[1:04:45] we had an unusually long and wonderful relationship with our former engineering firm, which was

[1:04:52] really the face of that was really Steve O and Dirk, and I was very nervous when they decided to

[1:04:59] Basically both.

[1:05:02] And we kept them around as long as we could. But I'm happy to say that the normal attitude of people

[1:05:12] towards their building inspector and their plan checker from my perspective has been zero complaints.

[1:05:22] And it was very good in the past and I tried my very best when I first got on the council

[1:05:31] because I had a long period of dealing with the city of L.A. and getting building permits

[1:05:36] to try and foster a sense that a professional client relationship, not an adversarial relationship,

[1:05:48] Although it can be, people don't like being called no, particularly in affluent communities like this.

[1:05:56] So, but I haven't had anybody call me.

[1:06:00] I had one inquiry about, which I really have to do with having to do with these draft migrants, that's why I asked about it.

[1:06:08] Other than that, I heard this sound of silence, so thank you for that.

[1:06:14] And hopefully, I don't discover something during now and then, but thank you.

[1:06:20] We appreciate that Mayor Proton.

[1:06:24] Council Member Gold.

[1:06:26] I just wanted to say, welcome.

[1:06:28] I see you again, and thank you so much.

[1:06:30] We appreciate you and your company.

[1:06:32] Thank you.

[1:06:33] I know you guys serve us a lot of cities.

[1:06:36] Tell us what we should be doing differently.

[1:06:38] That will make this better for our community.

[1:06:41] You know, I mean this with all of my heart, this is an incredible community and we have had a lot of fun getting to work with the applicants with the H-O-A with the city and really streamlining a lot of the processes and just continuously trying to make it a better experience for applicants and homeowners and contractors that are coming here to help beautify or fix your homes.

[1:07:06] I'm no comment, really. We love it.

[1:07:09] Okay, then tell me a little bit about how we balance.

[1:07:14] Keep in the contractors, keep in

[1:07:15] the homeowner, who's actually doing the project, keep in the city in the Asia way, happy,

[1:07:20] is really one bucket. Then you have the bucket of the rest of the community that is nothing

[1:07:26] but inconvenienced. Do we need to do anything differently there?

[1:07:30] You know, I think we see ourselves as building and safety professionals as educators. And I think

[1:07:35] biggest thing for us is that we hand-hold residents that might have, I don't want to say

[1:07:41] complaints, but might see some construction as new since to advise them on working with

[1:07:49] the contractor of noticing, communicating, making sure that everyone is working within the appropriate

[1:07:55] hours of working, making sure that they're cleaning up their properties, and so we're working

[1:07:59] hard with the city staff to really hold all individuals accountable and to make sure that

[1:08:04] the residents are also feeling heard during that process.

[1:08:10] Anybody in the audience have any questions for Melissa?

[1:08:15] I'll let anybody on Zoom.

[1:08:17] There are no hands raised, Mayor.

[1:08:19] So one, thank you for coming out tonight.

[1:08:20] Great to see you.

[1:08:22] Two, thanks for reviewing your team.

[1:08:25] It is a short and eye when we went kind of went through this process.

[1:08:28] We're very concerned about this, but I can say we think we chose.

[1:08:32] We think the council chose very well. We're very pleased and we're stressfully pleased with the fact of the depth of the resources that you are able to provide

[1:08:41] You know not everything is exactly how we always want it, but you guys always respond, and we are appreciative. Thank you

[1:08:47] We appreciate it so much. Thank you

[1:08:49] Thank you

[1:08:52] Okay, last under presentations is item 3G an update on the library project

[1:08:59] Acting senior manager serving you make the presentation

[1:09:04] Yes, Mayor, thank you.

[1:09:05] If we can have just a moment to upload that presentation.

[1:09:40] Terrific, thank you, Dina.

[1:09:42] Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

[1:09:44] Tonight, I want to give you an update

[1:09:45] on where the AI library stands.

[1:09:48] Next slide, please.

[1:09:51] The AI library is the first digital community

[1:09:54] center platform.

[1:09:56] It brings together trusted resources, learning tools, and AI.

[1:10:00] Senate power support in one easy-to-use hub. Three things make this platform different from a collection of links and databases and subscriptions. The digital access where residents can reach books, research tools, databases, e-learning resources, any time and anywhere.

[1:10:18] Personalization, the AI powered recommendations and smart tools will be built around each individual user, so the experience feels relevant rather than generic.

[1:10:28] And the community connection, even though it is digital, it is still local.

[1:10:34] Resources, events, and programs are designed to connect residents, students, and neighbors,

[1:10:39] here in Hidden Hills.

[1:10:41] Next slide, please.

[1:10:44] The platform itself is built and live.

[1:10:47] That is the hardest part, and the most technical part of this project, and it is complete.

[1:10:52] What remains is what we are calling the pieces in production.

[1:10:56] I want to walk through each of those briefly.

[1:10:58] The membership system, which will allow residents to sign up and be verified as members.

[1:11:04] On boarding automation, so new members get a smooth guided introduction to library instead of needing hands on staff support.

[1:11:13] Content pieces, this is the educational and informational content, including the AI avatar videos and written guides for our content partner, are currently being produced.

[1:11:24] The final graphics, the visual assets, residents will actually see when they utilize the platform.

[1:11:33] And finally, the integrations, which connect the library to the outside systems that depends on,

[1:11:38] including our registration and content partner platforms.

[1:11:42] Next slide, please.

[1:11:45] Moving forward and remaining pieces.

[1:11:48] This slide outlines the remaining pieces that we are focusing on.

[1:11:51] The membership system, we are building and preparing the actual membership experience residents

[1:11:57] will use to sign up.

[1:11:59] The onboard automation, we are developing and testing the onboarding flow so it works correctly

[1:12:05] before residency it.

[1:12:07] The content pieces are being produced and initiated into the library and the videos and

[1:12:14] guys residents will use once they log in.

[1:12:16] The final graphics, we were completing the visual assets and will hopefully be approving very shortly all of the visual concepts and graphics for our content developer and the integrations.

[1:12:31] We are completing registration and integration and testing our outside platforms.

[1:12:36] Next slide, please.

[1:12:41] Right now, we are past the platform build.

[1:12:43] We are in the remaining pieces of production stage.

[1:12:46] From here, the path to launch runs through five easy steps.

[1:12:50] Produce, we finish building out the remaining pieces.

[1:12:54] And a great connect those pieces to the platform.

[1:12:57] Testing, where we verify everything works as intended.

[1:13:01] And finalizing, where we address anything that comes up through the testing phase.

[1:13:05] before we complete the final review and then finally our launch and open to the public.

[1:13:11] Next slide.

[1:13:15] I'm happy to take any questions, Mayor.

[1:13:17] Okay.

[1:13:19] Thank you, member.

[1:13:20] Any questions from the Council?

[1:13:22] I don't agree.

[1:13:24] Any questions?

[1:13:25] I don't.

[1:13:26] I don't agree.

[1:13:27] I have several.

[1:13:29] So first,

[1:13:35] if and when we are successful,

[1:13:37] There will be several, there should be a place where our young residents and school district and school district students

[1:13:45] in coming, you realize this library to form what they would do a little more of the individual physical life.

[1:13:54] What kind of projections are you guys looking at to make sure that this is an appropriate place for the students?

[1:14:01] Yes, thank you for the question, Mayor.

[1:14:05] The LVUSD school district will have its own separate log in.

[1:14:08] From there, we are able to really drill down on the different types of permissions that the students are being granted access to, and it will also be based on age appropriation.

[1:14:20] So our K through second graders will not have access to the same information that our high school students will.

[1:14:28] So all of that is being done on the back end.

[1:14:29] to what about our underage residents who don't vote for us?

[1:14:33] They will have an area that was for youth

[1:14:37] under hidden hills and the city of Calabassas.

[1:14:40] So they will have the same type of guardrails

[1:14:45] within the platform.

[1:14:47] And then correct me if I wanted to.

[1:14:48] One of the things that I think

[1:14:49] is that when I talk to people about the library,

[1:14:53] there are a few things that people

[1:14:54] You can see it again.

[1:14:58] It's not at the beginning.

[1:15:00] Colleen is an A.I. library, but it's really a digital library that utilizes A.I. to power some increase functionality. It's not an A.I. library. Is that even that a better description?

[1:15:16] Yes, sir.

[1:15:17] So when we do this, when we built this, everything we've done, I want to make sure that I have this clear. There are three buckets of customers that we are targeting.

[1:15:28] There's one in the house right at the end, and we want to build something very functional for our residents too.

[1:15:35] We have incorporated a lot of service in a school district to weigh in on what they would actually like to see us build in the access and the digital assets that we have.

[1:15:47] And three, it's also being built for the city of Calabassas, because we entered into an agreement with the city of Calabassas that they were going there residents.

[1:15:57] We have equal access to hours and what we traded off for that was that our residents still have all of the same access to the city of Calabass's library system that they had before.

[1:16:10] Do I have this correct?

[1:16:11] Yes, sir.

[1:16:12] Awesome.

[1:16:12] Thank you.

[1:16:15] Anybody in the audience?

[1:16:16] Have any questions for Amber?

[1:16:20] Yes.

[1:16:20] My question is what do you have brought up in the past?

[1:16:23] Is there any validation about usage that if we build this that will have that anyone actually uses it?

[1:16:29] that we're going to report back to the city on usage that it's actually, we're spending money

[1:16:35] on something that's being, that's benefiting the people that are actually getting used.

[1:16:38] So we have, we are, we haven't finalized them, but we have a developed set of metrics

[1:16:43] of how we're going to measure usage and the city will, the city will get those reports

[1:16:49] and what they just, how they decide to distribute them will be the next council.

[1:16:56] I was part of one of the groups, the focus groups before it started.

[1:17:00] and my opinion is still remaining the same.

[1:17:02] I personally think it's a total waste of time,

[1:17:05] and it's been confirmed now,

[1:17:07] because last virgin schools, as well as L.I. City,

[1:17:10] have found that there's too much internet for the kids

[1:17:12] and they're going back to the basics of teachers teaching.

[1:17:17] To provide this kind and take these funds and use it

[1:17:20] for something that I think is not going to benefit.

[1:17:24] My second point is, isn't this also a public library,

[1:17:27] that anybody anywhere has the right to become a member, or is it restricted to hidden

[1:17:32] hills and calabassas and lost virgin students?

[1:17:36] That's the second.

[1:17:37] The third is the question about the amount of money, the $57,000, $52,000 that was paid toward

[1:17:46] the assistant city manager's salary from funds that are from the library.

[1:17:52] So, I normally wouldn't answer, and we would just, but I think they're pretty easy answers to give you.

[1:17:58] One, the lost version of school district has been an active participant and an advocate of us completing the project.

[1:18:09] I apologize.

[1:18:11] Okay.

[1:18:12] So, the lost version of school district has been an active participant in the design and what it is that we're building.

[1:18:20] And they see so far, everything they've communicated to us has been, they are an advocate of the project.

[1:18:27] This

[1:18:30] is recent.

[1:18:42] We're ongoing, this is an ongoing project, and we are continuing to build.

[1:18:49] Your second question was,

[1:18:53] So our hour analysis is that we are, we are perfectly within our rights and entitled to limit it to hidden hills,

[1:19:01] gallabasses, residents and lost versions of school district.

[1:19:06] We've done the research, and we believe that is, and we have structured it to do that.

[1:19:12] And your third question?

[1:19:16] So, so the, we get library funds and we can allocate them to spending on the library.

[1:19:24] We took a portion of the Assistant City's manager, the manager's salary, that we thought was reflective of their time and allocated that cost to come out of that fund rather than pay it out of the general fund.

[1:19:37] We believe as a library expense, we believe that's how it should be accounted for, and to do so differently, we would be improper.

[1:19:44] So we believe that that we actually think that is the appropriate way to account for it, and so far our auditor's agree.

[1:19:55] Anybody else?

[1:19:57] Sorry, I don't mean to note that you're committing suicide.

[1:20:00] I don't want to thank you for answering. There's no restriction on you answering items on the agenda, I don't believe.

[1:20:05] Well, if the use of the I like to do a lot of research first. Okay.

[1:20:09] You know, where do you did?

[1:20:11] So, I might anticipate it this one.

[1:20:14] If people submitted letters or emails to the city council or there's being read into the minutes.

[1:20:23] Pardon me, we're on the library right now.

[1:20:25] I understand, because I have an email from somebody

[1:20:28] and I was asked to read it if her email is not being read

[1:20:33] into the minute, so I just thought, in general,

[1:20:36] is that happening on items?

[1:20:38] Oh, the comment is not being read into the record.

[1:20:40] OK, so I'm reading this on behalf of Brett Aeronson,

[1:20:44] who writes, I am writing to request clarification

[1:20:46] regarding the city use of the property tax

[1:20:48] revenues designated for library services.

[1:20:51] California Edcote 1-9-1-6 requires a city that withdraws from the LA County Free Library

[1:20:57] system to assume responsibility for providing library services and provides that the

[1:21:03] associated property tax revenues be used to maintain those services.

[1:21:08] According to the city's audited financial statements,

[1:21:11] In those received $589,423, and library designated property tax revenue for the year 20223224, and an additional $636,612 for 202425 get the city report zero in library fund expenditures in both fiscal years.

[1:21:37] In addition, the library fund reached 1.6, 1.7 million, as of June 30, 2025.

[1:21:45] The city also transferred 36,973 from the library fund in 2023, 2024, and 28, 48,

[1:21:54] in 2024, 25, described as transfers for allowable expenditures.

[1:22:00] I respectfully request the city identify precisely what those expenditures were,

[1:22:04] and the authority under which they were determined to be allowable library expenditures.

[1:22:09] Given these figures, I am asking the City Council to clarify what library services

[1:22:14] were provided to Hidden Hills during the year 223 and 224 as well as 224 and 225.

[1:22:22] I'm just not as white fuzz on my book.

[1:22:25] What specifically did the library fund transfers that I mentioned pay for, how does the city

[1:22:31] I believe it's used in accumulation of these restrictive funds

[1:22:36] complies with ed code 19116 and what is the city's current plan for the approximate

[1:22:42] 1.7 million accumulated in library fund.

[1:22:47] She says I'm not alleging wrong doing however these financial figures rates

[1:22:51] serious questions of potential noncompliance with statutory requirement

[1:22:55] that these revenues be used to maintain library services.

[1:22:58] She further says, I believe in Hill's residence, deserve a clear accounting of these funds in an explanation of how the city is fulfilling its legal responsibility to provide library services.

[1:23:09] Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[1:23:14] Thank you.

[1:23:16] So this is going to require much more detailed response.

[1:23:19] So we will take a few hours and we will craft our responsibility to communicate it up.

[1:23:25] Anybody else in the audience?

[1:23:27] Ted, I don't know why long time no see how you've been.

[1:23:31] I've been good, I don't know why you've been good.

[1:23:34] Joe, Mayor Losa.

[1:23:36] Council members.

[1:23:38] Yeah, it's been a long time since I've been in front of the hearings.

[1:23:45] I just have a question.

[1:23:47] My name, if I had minor children,

[1:23:51] etc. will be on this onboarding list.

[1:23:57] How do we protect that list from being searched by, you know, illegal AI and using it to hack or get into our computers?

[1:24:12] I'm a CPA, you know, I can't, but yeah, it has address, name, phone number, anything else?

[1:24:24] A, enjoy a guess.

[1:24:28] Thank you for your questions, sir.

[1:24:30] So the registration software that we're developing is going to be managed internally.

[1:24:35] So all of that will be housed in house.

[1:24:37] So it won't be open to the public or searchable unless through staff.

[1:24:42] Okay, well, search a little by step, somebody else,

[1:24:56] anybody on Zoom?

[1:24:58] We have one hand raise, ma'er.

[1:25:00] Okay.

[1:25:08] Hello, can you hear me? You can hear you. We can't see you, Joe. Hi.

[1:25:13] Yeah, Joe, police, whom I live on loop in Hill Road. I don't know too much about this project. I understand these funds come from tax revenues.

[1:25:24] But forgive me for asking such a simple question. But everything that was described in this package that you're developing, what is there in it that I can't just simply get off the phone.

[1:25:36] I'm holding right now on the Zoom meeting or my laptop.

[1:25:40] Why are all these funds being used to,

[1:25:44] it seems create something that's

[1:25:45] just readily available to anybody with an internet access.

[1:25:50] And is any of this going, any of these $1.7 million,

[1:25:53] if that's correct, as a figure, going towards infrastructure

[1:25:59] to facilitate fiber optics that are internet,

[1:26:03] anything like that for the community?

[1:26:07] So I'll take the last part of it and then I'll give you the first part of the library funds

[1:26:12] or to be used for the library.

[1:26:14] They're not to be used for anything else and we are very careful in how we actually allocate funds.

[1:26:21] So they are not going for any infrastructure projects.

[1:26:25] Right, but just as you allocated some funds that are proportionate to the city managers

[1:26:30] time that she would spend on this project,

[1:26:34] wouldn't there be some sort of infrastructure

[1:26:37] we'll need to be able to house this kind of bandwidth

[1:26:40] that we're having?

[1:26:43] And again, to that point, all this money, it seems to me

[1:26:47] like we're building something that just basically has

[1:26:50] a community registration aspect, but offers everything

[1:26:53] that you can still get from any internet connection.

[1:26:58] Do you like to think that?

[1:27:00] Yes, sir, thank you for your question.

[1:27:02] The Library Project itself does allow for subscription bases to be free and open to both the elementary school students,

[1:27:13] all the SD school district students, the City of Hidden Hills, as well as the City of Calabassas.

[1:27:20] So programs that are typically on a monthly basis or registration software will now be free and available to the community and to the users through this process.

[1:27:34] But if you search on Google, let's say AI will still give you a very thorough detail to answer with follow up questions and options, and that doesn't cost anything.

[1:27:49] The AI library will also offer courses, so it will allow people to start a program or a course that you're interested in learning in, be able to step away, come back, and then re-engage in the program at a later date.

[1:28:03] It will also be set up to set reminders so in case you haven't logged in in a couple of weeks.

[1:28:09] We'll check in and make sure everything's okay and be able to really see if you're still interested in this program

[1:28:14] or this core concept that you were researching and also be able to make recommendations for future lessons.

[1:28:22] Okay.

[1:28:25] Thank you.

[1:28:26] Thanks for your questions.

[1:28:27] Anybody else on Zoom?

[1:28:31] No, Mayor.

[1:28:32] Okay. Thank you, ever. We will now move to the consent calendar. All items on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by single motion unless a council member request an item be removed for separate discussion. Council members are there any items you would like to

[1:28:54] see.

[1:28:55] Here you go.

[1:28:56] Sir?

[1:28:58] I'll come back for me once second.

[1:28:59] I want to make sure.

[1:29:01] You were last.

[1:29:02] Or what?

[1:29:03] Yeah.

[1:29:07] So all the layers are all the layers long as I can.

[1:29:09] Sorry, Larry.

[1:29:11] I think you're not there.

[1:29:14] I know.

[1:29:14] I do not need to pull anything off.

[1:29:16] Okay.

[1:29:17] Is there anybody in the audience wishing to comment on the consent calendar?

[1:29:31] Okay.

[1:29:33] Consent calendar.

[1:29:34] there. There are minutes being presented for March, thank you for presenting the minutes.

[1:29:41] There are meetings minutes being presented for March 2nd that just say amended and I think

[1:29:45] it is worthwhile to mention why they're being amended since they weren't redlined. In addition,

[1:29:56] So sorry, wait a minute, okay, on demands and disperse.

[1:30:01] And maybe it's because we've had zero snakes and hymns for July and August. But I have asked before what some spending was for, I think, in July, when I was here, I asked about some spending that was not answered and then subsequently voted to be approved.

[1:30:22] And so in this case, I'd like to ask if the city council has looked at the individual items on the register of disbursements and if they would like to identify what snake boots for $1523 was snake boot replacement for another $1,000.

[1:30:41] a press release from CISN for public information.

[1:30:47] It was $2,300.

[1:30:49] I looked.

[1:30:50] I couldn't find a press release from around that time.

[1:30:54] As well as I just if you have looked at and approve all these things,

[1:31:04] there's two times the same amount of water for the goats water,

[1:31:08] the exact same amount. I know that runs on a meter. So it surprises me that it's the exact same amount.

[1:31:15] Again, we have paid training where we used to have free search training.

[1:31:20] And then Council Member Gold has put in for travel miles.

[1:31:24] And I presume that's for a 70 between 72 and 76 cents per mile.

[1:31:30] That comes out to about 945 miles.

[1:31:32] So it doesn't say the timeframe for that but I would really note like to know about snake boots

[1:31:43] and I'd like to know if you're aware of what snake boots are

[1:31:48] I think there's a history of some odd things in the thing and in July. I asked about

[1:31:55] Spending for someone to do grants and I never got an answer on that, but

[1:32:00] That night even though you could provide an answer you went ahead and voted for it

[1:32:04] So I'd like to know that you're comfortable with spending over $5,500 on Snake Boots.

[1:32:12] Thank you so much for your questions.

[1:32:13] I just like to address the question about the mileage that I submitted.

[1:32:18] I gave a list of events and conferences and meetings I attended on behalf of the city and

[1:32:25] it's just a testament to how much I work for the city.

[1:32:29] This is how many miles I drove.

[1:32:31] I go and represent the city in all kinds of meetings, all kinds of conferences, I take this job really seriously, takes a lot of my time, and maybe it's shocking how much time I spend, but it's the truth.

[1:32:46] And I have everything documented, so this is how much I work for the city, yes.

[1:32:54] It's, yeah, it's, it's, Steph has all the details.

[1:33:01] Okay, I'm sure the most anticipated answer in the evening was going to be, because I literally

[1:33:07] asked this question, what are some inquiries?

[1:33:11] So, I know if they are, but never we just answered the question of why, what are snake boots

[1:33:16] and why we needed them?

[1:33:18] Yes, sir.

[1:33:19] There are PPE equipment, so personal protective equipment for our staff when they go out

[1:33:23] into the field.

[1:33:24] Most importantly, staff was going out to check on the goats and being in the canyon.

[1:33:31] It is a area where snakes are prevalent.

[1:33:34] So snake boots were purchased for their protection, and after having the fire chief

[1:33:40] be able to describe the rattlesnake concerns here in our community, it was felt at best

[1:33:45] to protect the staff in that sense.

[1:33:51] Thank you.

[1:33:51] Okay. Any other comments on the consent calendar?

[1:33:57] Is there anybody on Zoom that wants to make a...

[1:34:01] No, hands raised, Mayor.

[1:34:03] Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the consent calendar?

[1:34:10] To approve the consent calendar.

[1:34:13] Second.

[1:34:14] Dean, can we have a roll call?

[1:34:16] Of course. Councilmember Weber?

[1:34:19] Yes.

[1:34:19] Councilmember Gold?

[1:34:21] Yes.

[1:34:22] Mayor Protem Seagull?

[1:34:24] Yes.

[1:34:24] Mayor Losa. Yes. Okay. Motion carries. Thank you. Now I have to

[1:34:31] recuse myself from six. Okay.

[1:34:39] So I can make a quick

[1:34:42] announcement. I understand that two council members have

[1:34:44] conflicts on six A because of the location of their property

[1:34:47] to the site and with the absence of council member

[1:34:50] McCorken, Dale tonight. We don't have a quorum to hear

[1:34:52] this item, so this item will have to be continued to the next meeting.

[1:35:03] Okay, we now will move on to item. Are we under at time, crunch on this item?

[1:35:13] Thank you for the question, and yes, it will be important to take it to the next meeting.

[1:35:24] Okay, we will now move on to item 6b under old business, the award of professional services agreement to trip epic Smith,

[1:35:30] for AI digital design standards and launch marketing services.

[1:35:36] See acting city manager serve and please present the report.

[1:35:40] Good evening, Mayor and members of the city council.

[1:35:43] Item six B recommends that the city council authorized the city manager

[1:35:46] to execute a professional services agreement,

[1:35:50] which are peppy Smith for the AI digital library design,

[1:35:53] standards and launch marketing services.

[1:35:56] As background, the scope was originally part of a large

[1:35:59] design services proposal that the city council previously considered, the council directed

[1:36:04] staff to return it to the consultant to narrow the project scope to just the AI Digital

[1:36:10] Library piece. With that option to add the remaining pieces back in later if required.

[1:36:15] Drip-Epee Smith returned with a revised proposal limited to AI Digital Library work,

[1:36:21] since this is now a standalone project, the project management cost reflect 1,587 dollars increase

[1:36:27] bringing the total project to $14,290.

[1:36:32] There is no general fund impact.

[1:36:34] The Library Fund will absorb the full cost,

[1:36:36] including the 5% contingency that staff recommends.

[1:36:39] A total contract amount not to exceed $15,000,

[1:36:43] $4.50.

[1:36:44] Staff recommends that the City Council authorizes the City

[1:36:47] Manager to execute this agreement,

[1:36:50] which her peppy Smith in that amount.

[1:36:52] I'm happy to answer any questions.

[1:36:56] Any questions from Council?

[1:37:01] Any questions from anybody in the audience?

[1:37:07] Any questions on Zoom?

[1:37:08] There are no hands raised, Mayor.

[1:37:11] Okay.

[1:37:12] Do we have a motion?

[1:37:14] I'll make a motion that we award the contract,

[1:37:17] Treppie Smith, for AI Digital Design Standards,

[1:37:20] for the contract.

[1:37:22] Second.

[1:37:25] City Clerk, Gonzales, can we have a roll call?

[1:37:28] Yes.

[1:37:28] Council Member Weber? Yes.

[1:37:30] Council Member Gold? Yes.

[1:37:32] Mayor Potent Seagull? Yes.

[1:37:34] And Mayor Loja. Yes.

[1:37:37] Okay. Motion passes. We will now move to item seven A under new business adoption of administrative policies regarding city council agenda's governance records and personnel matters.

[1:37:50] City Attorney Langer, please present the report.

[1:37:52] He's a good evening. I'll give the report on item seven A this evening which is proposed

[1:37:58] to adopt resolution number 1065.

[1:38:03] Over the past several years, the city has it updated its

[1:38:06] personnel rules and administrative practices. And as the city prepares for a transition

[1:38:10] to a new city council, this is an appropriate time to memorialize additional best practices

[1:38:15] to promote accountability, communication, continuity, and the proper stewardship of public

[1:38:21] resources. The policies are forward looking and they supplement existing law, the city's

[1:38:26] municipal code, the city's personnel rules, and other adopted policies. They do not

[1:38:30] make changes to the fundamental allocation of responsibilities. The city council always establishes

[1:38:36] policy and provides oversight while in a city manager form of government, the city manager

[1:38:40] remains responsible for administering day-to-day city operations and these policies set forth

[1:38:46] best practices and expectations for how to best do that work, especially in a unique city

[1:38:52] like Hidden Hills.

[1:38:54] The proposed policies really fall into three categories.

[1:38:57] First there are agenda protocols intended to improve planning and transparency.

[1:39:01] There have been some discussions recently about the best way to use the consent calendar.

[1:39:06] What should go on regular agenda items?

[1:39:08] What shouldn't?

[1:39:09] So these policies are intended to promote the best practices and to make sure that the council

[1:39:14] in the community understand where things will be placed on the agenda, so staff can appropriately

[1:39:19] put forth city council agendas. They require timely and legally compliant agenda

[1:39:25] packets provide opportunity for the mayor to review draft agendas before posting and make

[1:39:31] sure that certain items have received appropriate city attorney legal review and that certain

[1:39:37] items receive review by city council subcommittees who may have purview over specific topic

[1:39:42] and we want to make sure that the Council is informed before those items end up on an agenda.

[1:39:47] There's procedures to properly report vendor selection practices and expenditures to establish

[1:39:54] an annual priority setting process.

[1:39:56] Earlier, Council review of the draft budget is recognized.

[1:40:00] Commended annual confirmation of city council subcommittees and monthly updates on council goals at the public city council meetings.

[1:40:07] There are some policies on governance and records to strengthen internal controls requiring to ensure that there's legal review of contracts.

[1:40:16] Again, consultation with subcommittees and quarterly reporting of staff level decisions and expenditures and contracts that are approved and monthly reporting of city manager authorized expenditures.

[1:40:27] They also require a city business to be conducted through city controlled devices, accounts,

[1:40:32] applications, and vendor accounts, whenever reasonably available that helps ensure that all

[1:40:37] the records are maintained in the appropriate places, and that they can be easily accessed when

[1:40:42] needed.

[1:40:43] And in today's digital world, things aren't maintained in a variety of different accounts and a variety

[1:40:47] of different places.

[1:40:49] It's a best practice to make sure that city business is done on city accounts.

[1:40:55] There are some personnel provisions that reflect the operational needs of a very small city,

[1:41:01] expectations for the city manager being involved in the day-to-day work and operations

[1:41:06] of the city, really a focus on staff being present at City Hall so that they can serve the

[1:41:11] City Council and serve the residents, and really be available to the community, notice

[1:41:17] when the city manager is not going to be available, designation of an acting city manager,

[1:41:23] And clarify communication protocols, the best way to communicate between council members,

[1:41:28] city manager, staff, the community, and other organizations that the city does a lot of work with.

[1:41:35] It's important that those relationships are maintained.

[1:41:40] How the city council should interact with staff versus how they should interact with the city manager,

[1:41:44] our address, and establishing regular council member meetings and agenda briefings,

[1:41:50] Project tracking requirements weekly reports the council of emerging issues so they know what's happening with the residents and what residents are concerned about is being reported timely to the city council so it's really about

[1:42:04] Continuing

[1:42:05] Existing practices memorializing them and implementing best practices for continuity and to make sure that forward looking the city is implementing the best practices and policies that it can so it's really a positive document that's being proposed to

[1:42:18] to memorialize how the city has been functioning and make sure that that can continue as you move into a moment of transition over the next few months.

[1:42:27] That concludes my report.

[1:42:28] Thank you. Any questions from Council?

[1:42:31] No, I think it sounds like a real good idea. It's always nice to fine tune, which is what the sounds like.

[1:42:39] And, you know, to get things into the best practices.

[1:42:45] I love that we are memorializing all these things.

[1:42:48] I know that some of it my sound, of course, yeah, everybody knows, but it's nice to have

[1:42:52] it together in one place since we are going to get three council members and I think this

[1:42:57] is going to help them to be successful.

[1:43:00] Yeah, as reading Documents Go, it was one of the better ones I've had to read.

[1:43:06] Thank you.

[1:43:08] Okay.

[1:43:08] Any questions from the audience?

[1:43:15] Well, this is a glorious document addressing a lot of things that I've been at this podium

[1:43:21] about over the last couple of years.

[1:43:23] I just have a question in that there's a certain specificity to it that I'm concerned

[1:43:30] that if you have said this, this and this, but it may be a broader scope.

[1:43:36] Are you creating a trap where a more general statement would be appropriate?

[1:43:44] An example would be where you talk about the various vendor accounts, I think, Costco staples,

[1:43:53] UberEats or similar vendors.

[1:43:56] I didn't know if that was general enough of a thing.

[1:43:59] I mean, we saw in the reports a lot of like lunches and things like that ordered, it just,

[1:44:05] It seemed, I know, like with my own personal business stuff, I have, like, an errors and

[1:44:11] emissions thing that is broader than this is in some, in some of those instances.

[1:44:18] And then it's great to have a city manager goal to have them in the city office, which would

[1:44:25] be great.

[1:44:26] But point five, if an early city meeting is scheduled, such as an E30 cog, the expectations

[1:44:32] is the city manager will either report the city hall before the meeting when reason we

[1:44:36] apply practical report afterwards, it's kind of in conflict with nine to five hours.

[1:44:42] And then the only other thing I would suggest is that the city manager is familiar with the

[1:44:50] roads, the facilities, the ingress, and egress points, the trail points of the community,

[1:44:57] and that while being

[1:45:00] Hearing here within the city, you say I believe present at City Hall, but I think there are times

[1:45:07] when it's actually would be really valuable to have the city manager out and seeing things.

[1:45:13] So I don't know if that's too narrow of a thing of restriction, where if the city manager were in the city

[1:45:20] and having familiarity with access that it would be a good use in a valuable use of someone's

[1:45:28] time.

[1:45:30] But these are great and positive way to move forward and a gift to the new city council members.

[1:45:42] Anybody else in the audience? Anybody on Zoom?

[1:45:46] No hands of raise mayor.

[1:45:54] Great.

[1:45:55] I'm sorry, I need a motion.

[1:45:58] I'm sure.

[1:45:59] Yes.

[1:46:00] I recommend that the City Council adopt resolution number 1065, which I don't need to redo it.

[1:46:10] No.

[1:46:12] I need to redo it.

[1:46:14] Second.

[1:46:15] Can we have a roll call?

[1:46:17] Yes.

[1:46:18] Council member Weber?

[1:46:18] Yes.

[1:46:19] Council member Gold?

[1:46:20] Yes.

[1:46:21] May I pretend to see a call?

[1:46:22] Yes.

[1:46:26] Okay, we will now move on to item 7B under a new business consideration of approval of professional services agreement with Pico party rents for the hidden hills fiesta rentals.

[1:46:38] Acting city manager, servant, please present the report.

[1:46:42] Good evening, Mayor and members of the city council.

[1:46:44] Item 7B recommends that the city council authorized the city manager to negotiate an executed agreement with Pico party rents for the event rents with

[1:46:52] equipment and related services for the city's annual fiesta.

[1:46:56] As background, the fiesta requires tending, flooring, seating, lighting, power,

[1:47:01] restroom facilities, and related site infrastructure to support the main-tended areas,

[1:47:06] south tennis courts, and the main arena.

[1:47:09] Because of the total contract amount exceeds the city manager's informal bidding threshold,

[1:47:16] formal city council authorization is required.

[1:47:18] Staff solicited proposals from three qualified vendors and evaluated each for scope, qualifications, and price.

[1:47:26] Staff selected Pico party rents to furnish the full event rental package, including

[1:47:30] 10 team flooring tables, chairs, linens, lighting, generator and power distribution as well as

[1:47:36] restroom trailers, along with delivery installation and removal of all equipment.

[1:47:41] There is no general, additional general fund impact.

[1:47:46] Funding is available in the adopted fiscal year 2627 special events, FESA appropriation, and

[1:47:53] staff recommends a contract amount not to exceed 66,000, $327 and 76 cents.

[1:48:01] Staff recommends that the City Council authorizes the City Manager to negotiate and execute

[1:48:05] this agreement with Peacoparty Rents in that amount, and that concludes my presentation.

[1:48:13] Any questions from Council?

[1:48:15] Yes.

[1:48:17] I would like to see it.

[1:48:18] I know that sometimes it's there, and sometimes it isn't.

[1:48:21] But for this amount of money, it would be nice to see a little spreadsheet showing the three

[1:48:29] Bitter top bidders and the prices, and maybe sometimes there's an obvious reason why you pick one over the other.

[1:48:37] even if it wasn't a little bitter, but I think I'd like to see a little more detail.

[1:48:43] And I know that it does exist sometimes, as some of you said.

[1:48:48] Yes, sir.

[1:48:51] Okay.

[1:48:51] Council Member Gold.

[1:48:55] Council Member Woodler.

[1:48:57] No questions.

[1:48:59] Anybody in the audience have any questions?

[1:49:03] Anybody on Zoom?

[1:49:04] There are no hands raised, Mayor.

[1:49:05] I just have one quick one before we fast promotion and these contracts and reviewed by

[1:49:12] legal.

[1:49:13] And we've covered liability clauses.

[1:49:18] Yes.

[1:49:19] It was reviewed by the City Attorney's Office.

[1:49:21] Okay.

[1:49:22] Thank you.

[1:49:23] Do I have a motion to approve?

[1:49:26] I'd like a motion that we consider and approve a professional service agreement with

[1:49:33] We call party rents for the Hidden Hills Vesta and do I need to put the amount in or

[1:49:41] just prove the S with the contract.

[1:49:45] Do you have a second?

[1:49:46] Second.

[1:49:48] Dean, can we have a roll call vote?

[1:49:50] Council member Weber?

[1:49:52] Council member Gold?

[1:49:53] Yes.

[1:49:54] Mayor Potem Seekle?

[1:49:55] Yes.

[1:49:56] And Mayor Loja.

[1:49:58] Okay, motion passes.

[1:50:14] Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council. Item 7C recommends that the council authorized the city manager to negotiate an executed agreement with the cat's craft barbecue for the catering services for the city's fiesta.

[1:50:26] As background catering has historically been the centerpiece of the Fiesta, and staff solicited

[1:50:32] proposals from three catering companies in accordance with the city's bidding requirements.

[1:50:38] Catscraft Barbecue was selected based on its proposed menu, which best fit the desired

[1:50:42] theme for the event, along with its ability to provide on-site cooking, additional amenities such

[1:50:47] as a French fry cart and corn dog cart and a drink station cart, as well as a well-developed

[1:50:53] vegan menu.

[1:50:54] Cats craft barbecue will furnish the catering services on October 17, including menu preparation,

[1:51:01] cooking equipment, and fully staff food and beverage service throughout the time frame

[1:51:05] of the event.

[1:51:06] There is no additional general fund impact, funding is available in the adopt to 2627 fiscal

[1:51:12] year, special events fiesta appropriation, and staff recommends a total contract amount not

[1:51:17] with $6,766,825.

[1:51:21] Staff recommends that the City Council authorized the City Manager to negotiate an execute

[1:51:25] disagreement with Kat's craft barbecue in that amount that concludes my presentation.

[1:51:31] Okay, any questions from council?

[1:51:33] No, relation.

[1:51:38] I'm sorry.

[1:51:39] There is or sorry, there's not.

[1:51:41] Special discount.

[1:51:46] Any questions?

[1:51:48] So, I have just two, one, you didn't ask for a contingency on here and almost everything else.

[1:51:54] We always ask for a contingency. Why not?

[1:51:57] This item was highly negotiated and we stayed within our budget, and we've also made it very clear to the caterer that we need to stay within our budget.

[1:52:07] And then my second question, would you play more important?

[1:52:10] How do we know this feedback?

[1:52:12] They were found online, along with many other caterers,

[1:52:17] and then we met with them on site, met in person.

[1:52:20] They presented their items.

[1:52:22] We called and reviewed various recommendations that came in,

[1:52:28] and also other services that they've provided

[1:52:31] in the surrounding area.

[1:52:33] So when you say they presented their items,

[1:52:35] did you taste them? No, there was not a tasting service.

[1:52:47] Should we have tasted it?

[1:52:49] I mean it doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry it to throw a wrench into this, but it

[1:52:56] literally makes absolutely no sense to me that we're throwing a party in a $75,000

[1:53:03] dinner and we're not we have no idea how they cook.

[1:53:12] I'm happy to reach out to the

[1:53:18] really something that they're quite used to?

[1:53:21] Yes, they are used to doing tasty things.

[1:53:30] So, anybody in the audience have any questions?

[1:53:33] Go ahead Barbara.

[1:53:35] I mean, haven't done weddings in five places before.

[1:53:39] There are two things.

[1:53:40] I noticed that the cater is in the residential street in Calabas,

[1:53:45] this is in Parcosia.

[1:53:46] Obviously, don't have a facility like a restaurant.

[1:53:50] And do we have any refurls that people have ever used them?

[1:53:54] Is the worst way to have a party is to have

[1:53:56] Corporal food or horrible food and horrible service.

[1:54:00] So are we sure that this is a reliable company?

[1:54:03] Based on refurls.

[1:54:04] Tasting, obviously, goes with the show,

[1:54:07] but has anyone ever used them?

[1:54:09] And they're out of the home, not out of this,

[1:54:11] a restaurant, believe that.

[1:54:14] Anybody else?

[1:54:16] Glad?

[1:54:21] Okay.

[1:54:21] Mayor members of the City Council has this catering

[1:54:25] vendor service, a previous hidden hills vesta, or had they serviceed any other hidden

[1:54:29] hills city events such as the annual summer barbecues.

[1:54:34] Well if I just I asked the question and we apparently don't know.

[1:54:42] Okay, assuming they're still in business I'd say bring JVs back they did barbecues

[1:54:46] and hidden hills all the way back in the late 2000s early 2010s but no idea if they still

[1:54:51] exist.

[1:54:53] Okay.

[1:54:53] Anybody else in the audience? Anybody on Zoom?

[1:55:04] How much of the cost is offset by ticket purchases?

[1:55:12] The entire cost?

[1:55:15] Well, the cost of the dinner is equal to the cost of 40 cents.

[1:55:21] Yes, that was the direction.

[1:55:27] Okay.

[1:55:28] How much is the dinner?

[1:55:33] $35?

[1:55:38] Okay.

[1:55:40] Is the in and out truck still coming?

[1:55:43] I know, but I might need to order two.

[1:55:51] I think the question is, do we have time now to put this off?

[1:55:59] And to investigate further, are we to down to the wire now?

[1:56:08] No.

[1:56:08] We do not have time to put this off and to engage another catering company.

[1:56:13] I am happy to schedule a tasting prior to executing the agreement and then making adjustments

[1:56:21] to the menu until the committee is satisfied.

[1:56:33] You know, Joe

[1:56:38] and you and I are out to greeting people.

[1:56:40] Yeah, we may have to run afterwards.

[1:56:42] More than we greet people before they eat.

[1:56:45] So we're in law.

[1:56:45] We're in a way now.

[1:56:47] Okay.

[1:56:48] Do we have a motion to approve this?

[1:56:51] Or do anybody on Zoom?

[1:56:53] There are no hands raised, Mayor.

[1:56:54] Okay, do we have a motion to approve this?

[1:56:58] Yeah, I think we have to subject to a tasting.

[1:57:03] Yes, subject to a tasting.

[1:57:06] Otherwise, we're going to go to the Brett Ketsburg.

[1:57:08] Are you making the motion?

[1:57:11] Yes.

[1:57:11] And I'll second it.

[1:57:12] A second it?

[1:57:13] Subject of the E.

[1:57:14] Dana, can we have a roll call for?

[1:57:16] Councilmember Weber?

[1:57:17] Yes.

[1:57:18] Councilmember Gold?

[1:57:20] Maripotent Seagull?

[1:57:21] Yes.

[1:57:22] And Marilosa.

[1:57:23] I have a stain.

[1:57:25] Check it.

[1:57:29] It's a growing last.

[1:57:36] I spent too many years in the event business to hire a caterer that...

[1:57:41] That's right.

[1:57:42] I forgot which you came from.

[1:57:43] Didn't you listen to the presentation?

[1:57:46] They're serving six hours, six hours chicken.

[1:57:52] Six?

[1:57:53] Let me get to it now.

[1:57:59] 14 hours smoke brisket and six hours slow smoke chicken and it's being cooked out there, obviously.

[1:58:11] All right, go for it.

[1:58:15] You already voted.

[1:58:18] We will now move to item 7D under new business consideration of the first reading of the proposed

[1:58:24] award.

[1:58:45] Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

[1:58:48] Item 7D recommends that the Council introduced an ordinance of ending chapters 8 and 13 of

[1:58:53] Title 3 of the municipal code to update the city's construction site control and noise standards.

[1:58:58] As background construction in Hidden Hills frequently occurs close to homes, roadways and

[1:59:04] equestrian areas, the proposed ordinance consolidates construction site regulation into

[1:59:10] Chapter 13, while Chapter 8 continues to cover general, non-construction noise.

[1:59:15] The ordinance strength and site maintenance, fancy and active site requirements addresses

[1:59:20] noise, idling, and desks, clarifies red flag warning restrictions, and as a draft hydrant

[1:59:26] requirement for larger pools and water features.

[1:59:29] It also preserves and hands-notes for major projects.

[1:59:34] Staff recommends that the city council

[1:59:35] wave the full reading and introduce the ordinance

[1:59:38] by title only.

[1:59:40] An ordinance of the city council of the city of Hidden Hills,

[1:59:43] California, amending Chapter 8 and Chapter 13 of Title 3

[1:59:47] of the Hidden Hills Municipal Code to establish

[1:59:50] updated construction site control, noise,

[1:59:52] notification, dust, fire safety, and enforcement standards.

[1:59:56] The second reading and adoption would return to the City Council on October 2.

[2:00:00] We're 13. I'm happy to answer any questions along with our building official Dennis who is also here to assist with any questions as well.

[2:00:10] Any questions from council?

[2:00:12] No, I had sort of anticipated this, that's why I brought up the draft hydrant question with through the Department. So, no, I'm not going to.

[2:00:24] No question.

[2:00:28] Anybody in the audience?

[2:00:32] I

[2:00:35] just like to say, it'd be nice to get some sort of red line.

[2:00:38] Just so you understand what's changing.

[2:00:40] If you don't take the existing document to know what it's changing too, I don't have the

[2:00:45] ability to red it, but it's hard to understand what actually changed.

[2:00:49] It wasn't clear to me.

[2:00:52] Do you have a summary of my change?

[2:00:55] Yes, Dennis does.

[2:00:59] Good evening, Council.

[2:01:01] I do have a summary of the changes.

[2:01:03] There are many small nuances, more clarifications than changes.

[2:01:09] What we try to do is take the noise provisions within Chapter 8, specifically for construction,

[2:01:15] and move them to Chapter 13.

[2:01:16] So it's more of a reorganization.

[2:01:19] There are some updates which strengthens our ability to enforce some of these noise ordinance

[2:01:25] dust ordinances, as well.

[2:01:28] But mostly, it's just small changes that clarify definitions of who a responsible party is, who the builder is, and then organizes them in chapter 13.

[2:01:42] Thank you.

[2:01:45] Joe?

[2:01:46] Yes, sir.

[2:01:48] I...

[2:01:49] I love it, Matt.

[2:01:50] I think I'll go last.

[2:01:52] No, I was going to say that I agree with Brett.

[2:01:55] I think that...

[2:01:57] I think it's probably for this type of thing, it's probably a great idea, as long as it already exists somewhere,

[2:02:06] a red line copy at the back.

[2:02:09] So those of us who want to or members of the audience want to see what changed.

[2:02:17] We have sort of a generalized, you know, statement of different things.

[2:02:22] But if we could do that in the future, it would be great.

[2:02:26] As long as it already exists, okay?

[2:02:31] Go ahead, nothing.

[2:02:32] So my question is about enforcement.

[2:02:35] So I have a picture today of the street cleaner who I contact the city and the HOA about on a regular basis.

[2:02:42] I don't know if you can see it's huge cloud of dust behind it.

[2:02:46] And this is the intersection of this guy barely ever putting the brushes down.

[2:02:52] lack of water to clean it, but also he happened to just go by a construction site that has

[2:02:57] loose dust poured out all over in front and into the street. But weekly, he is as bad as

[2:03:05] any of the blowers in the community. And so I, and I feel like this is something Stuart frequently

[2:03:14] says. It's no good having policies if you don't have a mechanism for enforcing it.

[2:03:20] So, what happens with enforcement on this?

[2:03:24] I think I've probably sent at least three things about the street cleaner, but I have also,

[2:03:32] you know, there was a while where there was a guy driving around at the construction sites

[2:03:38] in the morning.

[2:03:39] I think he was in a city vehicle or something.

[2:03:43] Anyway, he was looking and watching some of the construction sites for that.

[2:03:48] But you call the AQMD and nothing happens, so I know there's an attention to dust blowing around and trying to prevent soil contaminants from getting into the air and I would like that to be enforced.

[2:04:06] So, however, do you want to talk a little bit about our, well, how, how we are, what we are implementing to try to increase our compliance initiatives with all, the enforcement officer?

[2:04:29] Yes, thank you, Mayor.

[2:04:31] The city is currently working closely with Will Dam,

[2:04:36] to bring in a code enforcement officer.

[2:04:39] This will be somebody hopefully after the final reading

[2:04:42] and the 30 day notification afterwards

[2:04:45] before the code amendment is put into place

[2:04:49] that will have somebody on board that will do exactly

[2:04:52] as was described to really be out on the sites in the morning.

[2:04:56] especially on red flag days,

[2:04:58] be able to do the leaf blowers.

[2:05:00] Also, our current building inspector is going through AQMD, fugitive dust training starting on Wednesday, so that will be a two-day course that he will be attending to be able to be more burst in AQMD terminology, so that when we do call in and report a site, we are using the correct terminology to really flag a problem and catch the attention of AQMD.

[2:05:28] I believe the other comment was about street sweeping.

[2:05:34] I believe the street sweeping is handled by the HOA sir.

[2:05:37] So maybe we can make the call to them tomorrow to say, I would hope that we're not going to turn our HOA in for any violation.

[2:05:47] Maybe you can directly talk to them.

[2:05:51] I will discuss it with Aaron.

[2:05:53] Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

[2:05:56] Any other questions in the audience?

[2:06:00] Anybody on Zoom?

[2:06:03] No, hands raised, Mayor.

[2:06:04] Okay, do I have a motion?

[2:06:08] Yeah.

[2:06:11] Do you have a second?

[2:06:13] Yes, exactly.

[2:06:15] Dean, can we have a roll call?

[2:06:17] Yes.

[2:06:17] Can't remember whoever?

[2:06:18] Yes.

[2:06:19] Can't remember gold?

[2:06:24] May I put them sequel?

[2:06:25] Yes.

[2:06:25] And Mayor Lucha.

[2:06:35] I think the motion passes.

[2:06:37] We will now move on to item 7-E under new business consideration for authorization.

[2:06:44] To reject all bids received on June 9th, 2026,

[2:06:48] and authorization to re-appercise requests for proposals for architectural design services

[2:06:53] for the City Hall landscape and hard-skate improvement project.

[2:06:58] City Engineer, Michael Akerman, please present the report.

[2:07:05] Thank you.

[2:07:10] Item number seven, E is regarding City Hall landscape and hard-scape improvements.

[2:07:15] On July 15, 2024, City Council received a presentation regarding City Hall building

[2:07:21] renovation and City Hall exterior landscaping and hard-scape improvements.

[2:07:28] On May 12, 2026, staff advertised a request for proposals for architectural design

[2:07:35] services to prepare plans, specifications, and estimates, and a construction bid package for City Hall landscape and hardscape improvements.

[2:07:44] On June 9th, 2026, staff received one proposal in response to the request for proposals.

[2:07:51] After staff's careful review of proposals, and since the city did not receive enough competitive bids, staff is recommending to reject all bids received on June 9th, 2026,

[2:08:02] And to re-advertise the request for proposals to establish a fair selection process and obtain competitive bids.

[2:08:12] Staff recommends a city council author.

[2:08:14] I staff to reject all bids received on June 9th, 2026.

[2:08:17] And to re-advertise a city hall landscape and a hard-scape improvements project.

[2:08:22] Request for proposals for architectural design services.

[2:08:26] Thank you.

[2:08:33] That concludes my report.

[2:08:34] Thank you.

[2:08:35] I just want to be sure that you have any council questions for Michael.

[2:08:40] Not for me.

[2:08:44] Why are we going to get more bids this time?

[2:08:50] That's an excellent question.

[2:08:52] Thank you.

[2:08:53] We are going to do additional outreach.

[2:08:55] We are going to post it on Planet Bids.

[2:08:56] We're always through.

[2:08:57] We'll post it on the city's website.

[2:09:00] And we will reach out and do more outreach efforts to receive additional bids.

[2:09:04] Why

[2:09:08] didn't we get them? Why didn't it just not happen last time?

[2:09:14] I do a lot of CIP projects and sometimes you get one bid and sometimes you get ten

[2:09:18] bids and it's uncertain why if other contractors are busier or less busy and it also depends

[2:09:26] on the time of the year if there is a bunch of holidays going on or it could have been the summer

[2:09:31] and summer vacations. There's many reasons why bids may increase or decrease but we're hoping

[2:09:37] for a better response with this advertisement.

[2:09:40] Thank you.

[2:09:41] Anybody in the audience would like to comment?

[2:09:45] Anybody on Zoom?

[2:09:49] There are no hands raised, Mayor.

[2:09:52] We have a motion to reject all the visitors in June, 1926 and

[2:09:57] So moved.

[2:10:00] Second.

[2:10:02] Do you think we have a roll call?

[2:10:04] Councilmember Weber?

[2:10:06] Yes.

[2:10:06] Councilmember Gold?

[2:10:08] Yes. Mayor Potem Sibel?

[2:10:09] Yes.

[2:10:10] And Mayor Losa?

[2:10:15] Okay, we will now move to public comment.

[2:10:19] This is the opportunity for members of the public to address the city council on items that are not on tonight's agenda.

[2:10:26] Speakers are limited to three minutes.

[2:10:27] But I would also like to remind everyone that under the ground at City Council cannot discuss or take action on items not on the agenda unless the matter qualifies as an emergency.

[2:10:38] There are anyone in the audience who wishes to speak.

[2:10:48] Good evening Mayor members of the City Council.

[2:10:51] Thank you for allowing me to speak again about the city's use of flux safety automated license plate readers.

[2:10:57] Since my previous comments, several new developments in California deserve the council's attention.

[2:11:01] Perhaps the most relevant is Santa Barbara.

[2:11:04] Last month, it's flat, flat contract ended.

[2:11:08] The police department initially recommended replacing

[2:11:10] Flock with another ALPR company,

[2:11:12] but after public concerns about privacy, surveillance and data sharing,

[2:11:16] the city council chose not to immediately enter another contract.

[2:11:20] Instead, it decided to review the city's entire ALPR policy

[2:11:23] before considering a replacement.

[2:11:25] Santa Barbara didn't simply ask which company should we use instead.

[2:11:28] It's step back and asked, should we have this type of surveillance system at all?

[2:11:34] Also, Rito also voted not to renew its flock contract.

[2:11:37] Its cameras are shut down in the city's removing them.

[2:11:40] And Ventura and Oxnard provide an important lesson about safeguards.

[2:11:44] Ventura discovered that a flock configuration air allowed two out-of-state agencies to query its system despite California only restrictions.

[2:11:51] Ventura called this a violation of its agreement of flock.

[2:11:55] Oxnard discovered a similar problem.

[2:11:56] Despite configuring its system for California only access, a flock enable nationwide search function allowed out-of-state agencies

[2:12:03] to include OXNAR data and searches, resulting in over 5 million inquiries in that city alone.

[2:12:10] OXNAR subssequently suspended its 19 flock cameras.

[2:12:14] These examples directly address the argument that safeguards make the system safe.

[2:12:18] California does have safeguards, but safeguards on paper don't necessarily guarantee that the technology will operate according to those safeguards.

[2:12:25] And this isn't limited to smaller communities.

[2:12:29] In July, the LAPD allowed its plot contract to expire,

[2:12:32] citing serious concerns involving civil liberties, privacy,

[2:12:36] and the collection and sharing of data.

[2:12:38] LAPD is one of the largest law enforcement agencies

[2:12:41] in the country and our closest major law enforcement agency.

[2:12:45] I've also heard the argument, our cell phones already track us.

[2:12:49] But the Supreme Court has addressed that argument.

[2:12:51] In Carpenter, University of the United States,

[2:12:52] The Court held that obtaining historical cell site location information was a fourth amendment

[2:12:56] search, even though the information was held by a third party.

[2:13:01] And this year, in Chapter University of the United States, the Court held that obtained

[2:13:04] in cell phone location information through a geo-fence warrant is also a fourth amendment

[2:13:09] search.

[2:13:10] Nivercase says that every ALPR system is on constitution.

[2:13:14] But both demonstrate that the government's ability to obtain information about our movements

[2:13:18] is not automatically unlimited simply because technology makes that information.

[2:13:22] available. California's Constitution separately recognizes privacy as an inalatable right under article

[2:13:28] one section one. So the question before this council is not whether ALPRs can help solve crimes.

[2:13:34] The question is whether creating the searchable record of where people's vehicles travel

[2:13:38] is worth the privacy, security, and oversight risks that accompany it. Just in today's meeting,

[2:13:45] a resident expressed concerns about the AI library and the safeguards of our personal information.

[2:13:50] it, just imagine this incident of personal information accessible during flock.

[2:13:55] I respectfully ask the City Council to terminate Hill's flock contract, remove the existing

[2:13:59] cameras, and the cleaner a place with another ALPR system.

[2:14:03] Thank you.

[2:14:09] Good night, Brett.

[2:14:11] All right.

[2:14:12] I brought this up before, but I never heard any response.

[2:14:14] I'm just going to bring it up again about the possible conflict of interest that went

[2:14:18] on with some of the bidding these contracts with an employee, a city employee, with an

[2:14:24] outside third party agency that he worked at both companies at the same time, and that is

[2:14:30] when Mike was working as a city staff, as a public safety manager, and we spent money on

[2:14:38] different types of things like cameras and stuff, and contracts were awarded, and to have

[2:14:44] someone who's an employee and work for that company is a conflict interest, nothing ever got done

[2:14:49] about it, never heard anything about it, and there's a number of other things that have been

[2:14:54] approved by the City Council and I question, do we have a conflict of interest?

[2:14:59] I was reading about...

[2:15:00] Government code 1090, which makes it a felony for a public officer, cannot have financial interest in contracts made in their official capacity.

[2:15:09] Every contract with coverage six during that period is potentially void as far as I, in my understanding.

[2:15:16] And the city may be entitled to recover all the funds paid out.

[2:15:20] And when I brought it up to City Manager Malena, she acknowledges that they knew about this.

[2:15:26] And I just think it's a problem not to deal with these issues of conflict of interest and I brought it up before and even even you pulled it off the

[2:15:37] For the agenda for the security and also the I forgot also the drones also. I mean there's a bunch of stuff and I don't want to take it once time

[2:15:46] I just think it's a problem when we don't take conflict of interest seriously and to this date. I've heard nothing about this. Thank you

[2:16:04] Okay, we've talked about a lot of things tonight and I hope going forward things are redline that was one of my issues that we have things that are changed the minutes that were amended and there was no

[2:16:17] I was a pretty significant shift in those documents and I have a question, you said that

[2:16:25] there was a separation agreement for a city manager. It was said very quickly. I heard

[2:16:35] the 28th, but I didn't know if we were talking about the 28th of last month or the 28th

[2:16:39] of this month. And if there's a separation agreement, that's typically public records.

[2:16:45] That'd be coming forward as public documents. I just,

[2:16:52] clearly you can tell I've been spending

[2:16:54] time in our minutes and our budgets and our agendas. Our legal services in 2020 were 81,000.

[2:17:05] They are currently over $400,000 a year. Something is wrong. And I hope that the new incoming

[2:17:14] city council members helped to put a stop to that general budget bleed. We've been paying for

[2:17:22] city manager who hasn't been here for several months, I'm not quite sure how what the

[2:17:29] game plan is, nothing was said about what's the game plan, while Amber is acting city

[2:17:35] manager, or funds still coming out of the library funds to pay her base salary, it's just

[2:17:43] not clear.

[2:17:44] I know there's an additional $1,000 payment for when she acts as acting city manager.

[2:17:50] I feel like these are, this is information that needs to be clear.

[2:17:57] We have, I just, I feel like this is a great opportunity to see some controls and

[2:18:07] attention put on things like office expenses that used to be 40,000.

[2:18:13] We're well over 70,000 this year.

[2:18:16] I'm talking about 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 6.

[2:18:20] Data processing from 18,000 to also over 50,000.

[2:18:26] There was something even in the things for a payment

[2:18:30] to Council Member McCorkendale or data, I don't have it

[2:18:36] in front of me at this moment.

[2:18:38] But I just feel like even this beautiful $80,000 desk.

[2:18:45] The spending out at the corner, the bottom line of these are our tax dollars.

[2:18:51] And I know that sometimes we have opportunities for grant money, we're apparently getting

[2:18:56] 2,000 buckets for mulching, food mulching, whatever.

[2:19:05] I just would really like it to be, there to be some attention to the spending that's going

[2:19:11] on.

[2:19:11] These are our tax dollars, and I would like to see some control over them. Thank you.

[2:19:22] Dad,

[2:19:28] I'm Ted Rosenquist. Mayor, council members. I've lived in hidden hills since 1999.

[2:19:40] for that.

[2:19:43] I was a member of the Kalamazah City Hood Committee, the General Plan Committee.

[2:19:52] I was the founder of Stop Bommins Ranch. I was one of the nine litigants.

[2:20:00] In Los Angeles County, Versus Ventura County, obviously off there of the omits and killed right

[2:20:09] a friend and I could all that when I came here. But what I want to say is to our citizens,

[2:20:21] you can win on fighting corruption

[2:20:30] in Ventura County.

[2:20:37] The county supervisor took an illegal

[2:20:42] contribution, I addressed it to Ventura County

[2:20:49] District Attorney and he penalized her.

[2:21:00] This was about presented before, but there seems to be a conflict of interest between

[2:21:08] covered six, and some of our contracts,

[2:21:18] and if someone wanted to, like me, take this to court.

[2:21:26] Who's the district attorney or who would I address it to here in our city?

[2:21:36] I'm not sure I understand the question.

[2:21:38] Well,

[2:21:42] if there's a state law being broken where it was broken on a contract between covered

[2:21:51] six and the city,

[2:21:58] you can file a complaint, citizens can file a complaint.

[2:22:05] But I was wondering, you know, this is a small city.

[2:22:10] We don't have a military here.

[2:22:12] I know we're not supposed to say anything, but we don't have a contract with covered six.

[2:22:17] The HOA has.

[2:22:18] I want to all of this because this is covered six solely.

[2:22:23] HOA has the contract.

[2:22:24] Yeah, we have no contracts with Ever Six.

[2:22:28] Oh, so I don't know where this is coming from.

[2:22:31] And I understand that there's a lot in and I've somewhat forwarding.

[2:22:37] of a bunch of things that are flowing around out there, and I will address them in my council

[2:22:44] comments.

[2:22:48] They're pretty harsh.

[2:22:48] They're pretty harsh accusations.

[2:22:53] I'm not from you, Tim.

[2:22:55] No?

[2:22:57] They are.

[2:22:57] And I just want to clear it up because I would like to sort of circumventing UNDO and rumor with

[2:23:05] facts.

[2:23:09] Yeah.

[2:23:10] word corruption when you're addressing us.

[2:23:13] Oh, you used the word corruption.

[2:23:16] I'm sorry.

[2:23:17] You should be.

[2:23:19] When I am, I want to thank you for all of your service.

[2:23:23] I know it's thankless to be a council member, and I didn't mean that you were corrupt.

[2:23:32] Who are you talking referring to then?

[2:23:35] Who are you referring to when you covered six?

[2:23:38] However, six is corrupt. Yes, they're corrupt, but we're not corrupt. Yeah, I've never said.

[2:23:46] Yes, a little bit. Go back a little bit for minutes. Okay. Thank you.

[2:23:52] Okay, Barbara.

[2:23:58] And I know if I pronounce this correctly, but a law for him named Alisher and Winder has been hired.

[2:24:06] They are employment lawyers. The city already has a city attorney. This firm was brought in specifically for employment related claims

[2:24:14] without authorization, without a contract, with a direct conflict of interest.

[2:24:20] $33,941 in 70 cents of our money.

[2:24:24] No vote, no contract, no explanation.

[2:24:28] I'd like to have an answer about that.

[2:24:32] Anybody else?

[2:24:36] Anybody on Zoom?

[2:24:37] There are no hands raised, Mayor?

[2:24:39] Okay, great.

[2:24:41] public comment is now closed and we will move on to city council comments all the

[2:24:49] last so I have no comments so just on the lighter side I would like to wish happy birthday

[2:25:00] Former City Council videographer, my son Connor. Birthday is today, and sorry I'm late for your birthday dinner.

[2:25:11] Okay, I have a couple of comments and I've asked Sunny Saltani from Alshair Weiner to join us. She is our special counsel.

[2:25:22] She's the managing partner there.

[2:25:25] I am, yes.

[2:25:26] And City Attorney Langer will also be participating.

[2:25:31] And I'm going to go through some of the things that got mentioned today,

[2:25:35] here on our meeting, and some questions that people have forwarded,

[2:25:40] including some of the financial questions.

[2:25:43] So the first question is that, you know,

[2:25:46] We had not made any public announcement regarding the city, we're guarding the prior city manager.

[2:25:56] So can you actually explain why this happened and how it happened and why it was proper the way we did it?

[2:26:04] Absolutely.

[2:26:05] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[2:26:06] The city did not make an earlier announcement because personal matters are subject to very important legal and privacy protections.

[2:26:14] And the city was required to allow the process, including all applicable statutory review and

[2:26:21] revocation periods to be completed before making a public statement.

[2:26:27] And the government code sections that deal with this are government code section 54957 and

[2:26:34] government code section 54957.1, those government code sections in compliance with the Brown Act and

[2:26:42] employment rules and high-visit rights, that to be followed, including other contractual obligations

[2:26:49] the city had.

[2:26:51] Thank you.

[2:26:52] Thank you all.

[2:26:53] We've also been some inquiry regarding some FPPC violations with the fire city manager.

[2:27:02] Can you accept that?

[2:27:04] Absolutely.

[2:27:04] Those are not within the city's jurisdiction, and the city should really be commenting on

[2:27:10] Those are private matters between your former city manager and FTPC.

[2:27:17] And that's the appropriate agency for any member of the public that has concerns to contact.

[2:27:24] There's also been some questions regarding acting city manager,

[2:27:29] servant has a lawsuit with a, with a, is involved in a lawsuit. Please address that.

[2:27:37] The city cannot discriminate and not higher employees because they've exercised their first amendment rights to seek legal remedies from former employers.

[2:27:49] That is a private dispute that she has with a former employer under the U.S. Constitution. She's entitled to pursue her rights.

[2:28:00] And the city was absolutely in the right not to make that a consideration in making employment decisions.

[2:28:08] Thank you.

[2:28:09] You would have violated the Constitution, otherwise.

[2:28:13] There have also been some questions about whether or not we,

[2:28:17] how we fulfill the role of treasurer.

[2:28:20] And then we have no official positions of treasurer.

[2:28:23] Can you address that, please?

[2:28:25] Absolutely. It is true that there is a government code section that requires cities to have council members, city treasurer, city clerk, and a fire chief and a fire, sorry, and a police chief. However, that there is a code section that, and I want to find it and find that code section.

[2:28:53] Government post section 34856 provides that the City Council can appoint make that position

[2:29:02] and appointment and they can give that authority to any of their staff.

[2:29:08] So what the city that here was absolutely within the bounds of its discretion and incomplete

[2:29:13] compliance with state law.

[2:29:19] Okay, thank you.

[2:29:20] the city manager authority for over all of the staff.

[2:29:28] That's an interesting one.

[2:29:32] The city of Hidden Hills

[2:29:36] operates in a city council city manager form of government.

[2:29:42] And in a city manager city council form of government,

[2:29:46] it is the city manager that's in charge

[2:29:49] of hiring and firing staff, and the council bodies sits as a policy decision maker.

[2:29:56] And I have to act. I would wager to say...

[2:30:00] 90 plus percent of the cities within California operate that way. And that's for good reason. It's like having a board of directors. If you own a company, you would be very familiar with this structure. The board of directors are there to be policy makers to provide broad direction to the CEO and or the executive officers. And it is the CEO and the executive officers that deal with hiring and firing. Can you imagine if you had a situation where the board always said?

[2:30:29] We want to interview everybody, you're hiring CEO, anyone you want to fire, you want to interview.

[2:30:35] So what the city has now done by formally adopting its city manager city council form of government in its personnel

[2:30:45] is what should have been done a long time ago and it is consistent with state law and how other cities operate around the state.

[2:30:57] We've also this year over 2025, we changed our structure a little bit, we now have a city manager and an assistant city manager position.

[2:31:09] Is this consistent or inconsistent the way most cities operate?

[2:31:13] I cannot think of a city, I know that doesn't have an assistant city manager position.

[2:31:18] It's absolutely consistent with the broad tax practice in the state.

[2:31:25] We also changed our city manager's purchasing authority from $5,000 to $10,000, which is effectively doubling it.

[2:31:38] When I got to cities across the county, I come up with completely different numbers.

[2:31:44] So my research says that most city managers have the authority to spend between 25 and 75,000 dollars,

[2:31:51] which is significantly higher than 10,000.

[2:31:54] And why is my research wrong?

[2:31:57] Absolutely not.

[2:31:58] Most many of the cities I see are closer to 50,075,000

[2:32:03] given inflation, and most cities have adopted the rules recently.

[2:32:10] And it's still fairly consistent that the city clerk

[2:32:14] and the assistant city manager and the finance and the finance

[2:32:18] staff report directly to the city manager and not the council.

[2:32:22] Yes?

[2:32:25] Okay.

[2:32:25] Tonight, we adopted Resolution 1065, which is our new governing policies.

[2:32:34] From our perspective, our what we were trying to do was introduce best practices,

[2:32:41] and instill good governance and be more transparent.

[2:32:45] Did you see anything within that resolution that is contrary to these goals?

[2:32:49] I don't. I think it's very good that you've done that. All the reporting requirements

[2:32:55] you're asking the city manager to put on agendas are exactly what the public should

[2:33:00] be looking for. It's transparency.

[2:33:04] There's other questions about how we hired you. Let us know how we did it.

[2:33:09] Absolutely. I'm happy to discuss that. I was retained by the former city manager under

[2:33:17] $10,000 signing authority in October 6, 2025 to answer some questions regarding personnel matters that I cannot disclose.

[2:33:28] That contract was officially extended in close session by the City Council on November 24, pursuant to the Brown Act under potential litigation.

[2:33:40] and it was done as part of litigation strategy.

[2:33:45] Even though it was not a requirement,

[2:33:47] there was a report out of post session,

[2:33:50] which clearly on that date said

[2:33:52] that there was a retention of special council

[2:33:55] being undertaken for litigation related matters,

[2:34:00] based on a claim that was submitted against the city.

[2:34:04] And again, all of these are public documents.

[2:34:08] And anyone can go watch the minutes

[2:34:10] from the number 24th when that announcement was made out of procession.

[2:34:16] And my, that has been minutes of the city

[2:34:20] approving our fee.

[2:34:22] So nothing has been hidden and it's been on the public agenda.

[2:34:27] I know you're not a finance expert,

[2:34:29] but we rely on you for law,

[2:34:31] but there's been some questions about us utilizing library funds

[2:34:35] to pay for things.

[2:34:45] I don't see anything but really your city attorney should respond on the issues more familiar with those issues.

[2:34:53] Yes, I think a lot of work has been done to look at the types of library services that are permitted to be.

[2:35:01] We've been looking at it for quite a few years and making sure that you're following the law and the expenditures of the library funds are proper.

[2:35:11] There's also been some questions about the role of Mike Grant and covered six, and whether or not there is a conflict of interest.

[2:35:19] My memory is that when the first came up and someone brought it up, we opted as a council to delay the actual vote and asked you to look into it so that we could double check to make sure that all of this was above board.

[2:35:35] What am I missing?

[2:35:38] That's exactly correct.

[2:35:39] To be 100% certain that there was no problem before the contract was approved.

[2:35:43] the item was continued in order for my office to do the analysis, and what we had to

[2:35:49] determine was that he was not involved at all in the agreement that was before the council

[2:35:54] that evening. It hasn't been brought back yet for formal approval, but that analysis was done in

[2:36:00] the interim, and determined that there was no legal defect in under government code section 1090

[2:36:06] of considering that contract. And I believe it will be brought forward in future council meetings.

[2:36:13] He's also no longer an employee of the city, so I believe he had also scaled back his work

[2:36:18] over the past year or two to a really minimum number of hours.

[2:36:23] And he has since stopped working for the city.

[2:36:25] So when that contract comes back, there won't be a problem,

[2:36:28] but my office has looked at the legal issues and determined that for that contract he was not involved

[2:36:33] in any way in the consideration or drafting or discussions of those agreements.

[2:36:39] There was a separation and so it was proper.

[2:36:40] Okay, there's also been some questions that we've converted to a certain team into a paid covered 6 contract.

[2:36:47] Do we have a paid covered 6 contract to cover 7?

[2:36:52] No, sir.

[2:36:53] We do not.

[2:36:53] Do we have any contracts with cover 6?

[2:36:57] No, sir.

[2:36:57] We do not.

[2:36:58] Zero.

[2:36:59] We ever had any contracts with cover 6 that you know?

[2:37:02] No, sir.

[2:37:03] Okay.

[2:37:05] Because I don't know.

[2:37:06] I don't know of any either.

[2:37:17] There's also been some questions about our financial position, whether or not we, that the people saying that we should have an audit, well, of course we should have an audit, we have one every year.

[2:37:35] That's literally what we do.

[2:37:37] We get audited.

[2:37:39] The audit, the audit firm comes in.

[2:37:41] They're independent.

[2:37:42] and they have their own set of testing procedures,

[2:37:44] they go through all of our stuff,

[2:37:46] and they issue an opinion on our financial statements.

[2:37:49] This happens on an annual basis.

[2:37:51] This gets presented to the community.

[2:37:53] This part of the package that we send out there.

[2:37:58] And I don't really know what else to say about that.

[2:38:01] We do, we don't have an option of whether or not

[2:38:06] we should have an audit or not.

[2:38:07] It's the law.

[2:38:10] We are audits are probably a lot more intense now than they have been, because I used to

[2:38:16] do audits, so, you know, so if you ask our audit for a meal tell you why I am a freaking

[2:38:23] nightmare, because I know what questions I ask and what questions not to ask, there's

[2:38:29] also been some things out there about our financial stability and there are, we do know that

[2:38:37] of our surrounding communities are having some financial structures, so financial pressure

[2:38:43] and financial issues. That is not the case for us. As of June 30, 2026, now this is

[2:38:51] pre-adent but we know that we're going to be relatively close. We have 14,485,524 dollars

[2:39:02] reserves. That's our reserve. Our annual operating revenues are about $4.5 million. Our annual

[2:39:10] expenditures come somewhere close to that. So this amount has been building over years and

[2:39:18] is accumulated. So our financial position is actually very good. We are very sound. We've

[2:39:24] paid a lot of attention to what we're spending money on, what we're not spending money on.

[2:39:28] There are times where we spend more money as we have tried to professionalize and spend more time.

[2:39:37] We get a lot of questions from the community.

[2:39:39] I welcome the questions, but every time you guys ask questions, we go do the research.

[2:39:43] You don't like it when I don't answer you, but what we do is we go do this research.

[2:39:48] We're not trying to be not transparent.

[2:39:51] We're trying to be thorough.

[2:39:52] We're trying to be accurate.

[2:39:54] We're trying to be correct.

[2:39:56] So, I don't really know what else I can tell you about.

[2:40:00] Without that, we have a series about our committees. We have a budget committee. We have a hiring committee. We have an investment committee.

[2:40:08] We spend a lot of time safeguarding the assets of the community. We view that as our number one job.

[2:40:17] And we also, and every day, we ask ourselves, what are we doing to make hit notes a better place to live? There's no strange ulterior motive. All of us have lived here for a very long time.

[2:40:29] I mean, I'm probably the new guy I've only lived here 30 years.

[2:40:37] So, if you have, we encourage you to ask questions.

[2:40:41] We encourage you to follow up on it.

[2:40:43] There isn't, shouldn't be an adversarial relationship.

[2:40:46] We don't try to make it that way.

[2:40:49] But I hope that you take this in the spirit of which I mentioned.

[2:40:52] The questions are out there, so I tried to answer them.

[2:40:56] So with that, I will move on staff on it.

[2:41:03] There are no additional comments for this evening.

[2:41:07] There are being no further business.

[2:41:10] Can I have a motion?

[2:41:11] I'm moving to a chair.

[2:41:14] Can you make it out of a vote?

[2:41:17] Councilmember Weber.

[2:41:19] Councilmember Gold?

[2:41:21] May I put 10?

[2:41:22] Yes.

[2:41:24] And may I?

[2:41:25] Yes.

[2:41:25] We are here.

City Council Regular - Meeting September 14, 2026

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