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okay my watch says four o'clock i see we
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have a quorum i will call a meeting
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of the city council city of hillsboro to
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order
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first item on our agenda is approval of
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minutes from our 9 21
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2021 meeting did everyone receive a copy
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of the minutes
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were there any questions or corrections
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to the minutes
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we actually did have a correction we
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spelled blake bay's name incorrectly we
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forgot any yes so
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we will
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make that change in a minute i apologize
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get that thing turned off i'm sorry
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okay so we have a correction to uh to
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blake blake
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or
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craig
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no blake base yeah like bay bay bay
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sorry i always want to say it wrong
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because we forgot the es at the end so
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okay
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so
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with that uh with that correction would
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somebody care to make a motion to
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approve the minutes
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well
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councilman mccarty moves is there a
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second second
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councilman drake her uh
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not triggers councilman lowell in
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seconds
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any further discussion
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hearing none all those in favor say aye
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those opposed motion is carried four
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zero
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next item is approval of vouchers
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totaling four hundred and forty thousand
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seven hundred seventy five dollars
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twenty four cents
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did everyone receive copies of the
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vouchers
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were there any questions regarding the
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vouchers
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hearing none i'd accept a motion to
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approve the vouchers for payment
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councilman triggers moves is there a
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second
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councilman low in seconds
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any further discussion
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bearing none all those in favor say aye opposed
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motion carries
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or zero
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we now have a service recognition mr
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stiles
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yes so we had service recognition a
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couple weeks couple meetings ago three
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or four meetings ago and jen couldn't
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attend but we definitely want to make
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sure we recognize jan for all of her
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service
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um and so we've got a certificate
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appreciation which comes from the league
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of municipalities and it happens at the
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40-year mark and unfortunately we're a
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little behind
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so sorry about that it was actually 42
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years when you're retired from here so
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we're playing catch up a little bit
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there sir
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but we're happy to have jan here today
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to receive her
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uh recognition and
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that is what jan is here for today
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that's great yep jan retirement looks
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good i think you're getting younger you
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know
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shucking all that responsibility off and
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then just enjoying life
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well come on over here and let's
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get you awarded here young
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lady give you that first and then shake
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your hand
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i got the camera
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all right
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thank you jan thank you
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some minutes for yourself
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okay
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she found me
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okay it looks like we have uh someone
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from the public in attendance
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so this is the time of our meeting where
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we allow for public comments so mr
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styles i will give you the floor and let
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you uh
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emcee that part of this this meeting
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okay so we've got uh one uh mr myers
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wants to make a comment he's on the zoom
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meeting but i think we'll probably go
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with mr olmsted's first since you're in
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the room and
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i don't know what normal policy is on
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speaking to you so
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uh
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but thanks for let me come
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i want to speak as with regards to uh
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an action you took at your month ago
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meeting
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september 7th
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so i will speak to that
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when i received my city bill last week
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included with it in it was a letter from
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hillsborough
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specifically written i guess by our
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administrator
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explaining that the city wants to
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abandon the
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it's called the renewable energy net
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metering parallel generation rate rider
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which was presented to me when
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a year ago i was
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hoping to
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construct a solar array
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and uh and it was
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part of the basis on which i invested uh
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thirty thousand dollars in building a
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solar array
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uh
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went into production
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months ago nine months ago something
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like that
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and in the term
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on the name of this
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rate writer
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you use the term net metering
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as part of the name
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and it seemed odd to me that that i
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would be told that the
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net metering was not the intent
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of the city
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especially when
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it was in the name and
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three-fourths of
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the document was explaining how net
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metering worked
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and just a reminder net metering means
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that
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i can buy electricity when the sun does
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not shine
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and then when the sun does shine i can
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use my solar array to repay the city for the electricity that i purchase when
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the sun does not shine
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along with that i pay
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the same amount everybody else does for
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the right to hook up on hook on to the
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city
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the city's power grid
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and if i
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do not produce enough electricity to
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offset
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what i use
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then i pay the same rate as everybody
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else does for that electricity and but
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if i produce extra
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those months that i do that
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i actually get paid a significantly
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lower amount so that's that's a lot
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shorter
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version of what net metering is than the
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four page document that we signed
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anyway the rate rider that was presented
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to us when
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we were anticipating building
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uh the solar array
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has suggested to me that the city wished
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to encourage maybe the reduction in
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production of greenhouse gases
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however it appears now that uh
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that is not the case
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and uh to put it in a not very
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good way i suppose i would say that
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it looks like
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it is a political decision to to
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recognize that in kansas
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recognizing
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uh climate change for global warming is
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kind of political suicide i realize that
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but legally i guess it's your choice to
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change your rate writer
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even though
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the document i was given sure looked
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like a contract that we saw
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technically i guess it is not
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but
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it seems unethical to me
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to have the decision to back out of that
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agreement
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less than a year after it was agreed to
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and in fact it was an agreement that
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i counted on when i invested
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in the solar array
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so i guess i would
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request that
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maybe some adjustment was made would be
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made
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the rate
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writer as it was written recognized that
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if a lot of people did this
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it would affect how the city's
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electricity program would be run and it
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was written into that agreement that
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you had the right to restrict it to less
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than five percent of the electricity
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that the city sells
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but you have three
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individuals
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with this that are
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producing electricity
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parallel to the city
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and that's nowhere near the five percent
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so it makes me think
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oh as i said that there are other
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reasons for the decisions
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that's my request is that that's some
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adjustment
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if you want to change the policy for new
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people that want to build solar arrays
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can we who have done it and invested a
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significant amount in that
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program
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could you give us
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a number of years
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to at least recoup some of that
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investment
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five six ten i don't know it's be my
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request
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is it unfair to the rest of the city
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i suppose it depends how you look at
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that if if you're trying to recoup your
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investment
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in in your grid
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not by sign up costs but rather by
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i use the words overpricing your
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electricity to cover those things
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uh
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maybe that's the part that's unfair
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rather than me being able to offset my
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electric bill by producing
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electricity during daylight hours i in
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fact
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have purchased a car to be charged
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by electricity
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and uh
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i will change it if if i have to but
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i've
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programmed it after i figured out how to
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do it
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to only recharge the car between 11 at
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night and six in the morning when
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hopefully it's your lower lower use
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but if i if i can't get i benefit from
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that or from
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producing electricity i i
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have to change it to recharge hopefully
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during the daytime
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when your higher use is
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and not being able to produce
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electricity to offset some of that so that's my request
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have you run numbers
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i mean do you have numbers that would
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show the difference
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uh
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yeah
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well uh
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if i can reimburse the city with
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electricity rather than just with
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dollars
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how much would you pay me
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for electricity
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i don't think that that's not i was
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driving as much as
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like if
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this policy how much did it affect the
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actual dollars that you were having to
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pay
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i have not tried to figure that out
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specifically except that
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right now
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since we've gotten the car
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and
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once we do use some of some
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air conditioning
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i'm just about to balance out my
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electric use
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with what i produce
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and the city has
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installed a meter
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that measures
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everything coming in in a separate
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greeting for everything that i produce
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and goes out back into the city
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so those those numbers are pretty close
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right now
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that doesn't answer your question
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probably well i'm just i've always
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struggled understanding exactly what the
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differences would do
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in the way though
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well you know what you charge me
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probably about 13 cents
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a kilowatt hour
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and if you would pay me
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only 4 cents per kilowatt hour
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that would be
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a two-thirds difference
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now i can adjust that by
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only using
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most of my electricity during when the
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sun shines
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so it would be less of that and i do
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have some adjustment in that
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but the way i'm doing it now
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especially by charging the car at night
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i think is a benefit for the city
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but i guess my my major argument is that
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i was presented
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one
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policy
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and less than a year later we're
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changing that which would be
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significant
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to my bottom line
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daryl when you say that i mean i if i
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understood what you were trying to get
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at is can you help us understand
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when you say it's significant to your
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bottom line i think we're just trying to
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get our hands around you made a
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significant investment thirty thousand
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dollars is a pretty significant
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investment i thought well it is in my
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opinion
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um so you know help
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i guess it might help us to understand
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you know what the change in policy
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did did to your investment financially
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do you have any kind of a
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an order of magnitude of what we might
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have done you know with that action in
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terms of the negative impact to you
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from a dollar's sense standpoint
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like hey you did this and now it's cost
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me x whatever that
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number is it hasn't gone into effect i
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guess
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or just has by one bill right uh not yet
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half of it yeah
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well even maybe anticipated i mean
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do you have factor that
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um so the retail price of uh energy is eleven and a half cents
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a kilowatt hour
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and then uh what we do when we
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you know it's a one-to-one on a net
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metering situation it's a one-to-one
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offset so
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eleven eleven and a half cents per
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kilowatt hour
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uh in the
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and then anything that he goes above
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what he's consuming would be um at 150
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of the cost of energy
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uh which is
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four it depends on the month four and a
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half five six cents just kind of depends
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so i mean the difference there is the 11
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and a half on the direct payback versus the six and
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a half which is what's in the parallel
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generation so
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you know when you talk about how much
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you consume i don't know how much you
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can
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i don't know barrel but it's i guess i
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mean we could yeah it's gonna that's
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gonna depend too but i mean it is a
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significant darryl's got a he's got a
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legitimate point um
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you know it was what what was signed is
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uh interconnection standards it's an
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agreement we signed
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for everybody who has a solar thing and
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it really is about
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it's not so much about the rate it is
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about how it's set up and how things get
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eaten and things like that so i guess
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where i'm confused still is like say
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july where you have fairly high electric
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but you also have fairly high sun
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if he is
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using the same amount he's generating in
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that
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joy the way he described that would it
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be
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washing out pretty much watching well
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actually
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with daryl's system he's got a pretty
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big one um and so we've we've paid him
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for some of that energy
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he's done because it's been bright so
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that's what that lesson is quite a
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that's where you see it yeah that's
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where you would see it you'd wash out
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these zero essentially on your bill but
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you would get less
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money returning back yeah that's kind of how
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the change ends up being but um
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yeah i mean that that's in essence correct um
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so yeah i mean
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daryl's got a perfectly legitimate point
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you know we did change it on them so
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and i don't think you know just from an
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intense standpoint that the intent was
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to bait and switch anyone daryl i mean
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you know it's sometimes you know you
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make decisions and things
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happen that are unintended you know as
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well so uh there's that but there's also
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some
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with some direction relative to state
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law and where the state was going with
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this
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you know so
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if we were to take some action you know
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that that would satisfy
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uh daryl and the other two people that
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have you know by going back to the
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original agreement for some period of
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time are we going to put them or the
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city in in conflict with state law
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to anybody's knowledge no i you know the
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state laws is less generous than the
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policy that you would be referring to
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and so you'd be grandfathering them in
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for five whatever many years you wanted
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to choose um from our perspective it's
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just you know we have to configure the same
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but we have to figure the solar pills by
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hand anyway every year and so i don't
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think you'd be in any
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legal issue now
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so i think legally the state
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requires you to do a certain amount
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and
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if you want but net metering is also
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used by other places and that is
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the state does not require that
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but it does require to you to
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reimburse me a certain amount for 100
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right and i think that's
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yeah there's a baseline we're going back
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yeah
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that's
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yeah got it
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okay
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you know if if the council wanted to do
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some kind of grandfathering thing i
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think you'd be you'd be well within your
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ability to do that it would just be a
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matter of
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how long and how what you want us to do
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with it so i don't think i'd be
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comfortable doing anything today i think
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i guess i'd ask would you look into that
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yeah you know yeah yeah i mean i i was
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going to ask of what what would the
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nature of the action look like i mean is
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it is it a uh is it an ordinance is it be an ordinance
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for these three customers specifically
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is that correct
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kimberlyn's nodding her head
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okay yeah yeah
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well i think
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if i could ask the council i think it's
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is the council uh comfortable giving
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that direction to our city administrator
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to come up
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with a proposal to address
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mr olmsted's issues and and come back to
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the council with a with some type of
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recommended ordinance to it
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to address that
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well i don't have a problem with it he
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put in quite a big solar panel system
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every
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and then
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i saw that he
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brought that car i saw his cory box so
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he intended to
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do the right thing so i think we should
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do the right thing too yeah
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he came he he did this under an
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understanding that would be
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a certain way and it didn't turn out
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that way and i think some kind of grandfather in
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clause would be very
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appropriate here yeah
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i would say also the policy i was
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originally given said that a residential
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array could not be more than 25
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kw
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and and my
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array is 10.
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the label says 12 but it's it's
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toned down to 10 maximum
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so i'm only at 40
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even though it seems like a big system
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that's 40 of what your original policy
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sure would have allowed so
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i have another question i mean we've
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bantered about
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several uh
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years of term and i guess i'd like to hear
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from you daryl i mean three three
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different possible
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scenarios were were thrown out there in
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terms of how long this grandfathering
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should be
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so i guess if we're going to look at it
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i want to hear from you what would you
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if you're asking what are you asking for
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i guess i'm asking for 10 which is
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theoretically with just about pay for my
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system but
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i can somewhat understand if you want to
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go somewhat less than that but i can
[20:58]
just complain if you don't
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i probably will yeah well
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let me ask you this if if we if we if it
[21:08]
was 10
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would you feel like you were hurt and
[21:11]
you were in the in your issue was
[21:13]
addressed
[21:14]
uh
[21:15]
that compared to the the way the letter
[21:19]
implied that it was happening right now
[21:21]
uh
[21:22]
i feel i was greatly heard yes okay
[21:25]
all right thanks
[21:26]
i appreciate you bringing it to our
[21:28]
intention because thank you i guarantee
[21:30]
you it wasn't the intent of anybody
[21:32]
sitting around this table to
[21:34]
stick it to anybody that that you know
[21:36]
went out and made that kind of an
[21:38]
investment so yeah i think i think my
[21:40]
assumption was largely that most people
[21:42]
would be zeroing not
[21:44]
seeing the net
[21:46]
pay anyway right at this point with like a tens like a 10 system like you're
[21:52]
talking about
[21:54]
so i may be still a misconception of
[21:56]
that but
[21:58]
we could please invade it
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right yeah if it even
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i mean
[22:03]
even though there's three there might
[22:04]
only be he might be the only one that
[22:06]
matters
[22:07]
well
[22:08]
daryl's is certainly the most
[22:09]
significant right and if it's not as
[22:11]
significant it wouldn't seem like it
[22:13]
would
[22:13]
matter i mean like if you don't get
[22:16]
above that zero it doesn't it doesn't
[22:18]
kick in right right
[22:21]
well no it kicks in right away
[22:24]
anytime the meter says
[22:26]
that i purchased
[22:28]
electricity from from the city
[22:32]
if i
[22:33]
even those if they can't balance a
[22:35]
certain amount of that off
[22:38]
with electricity they produced they
[22:40]
would be paying
[22:43]
more for each of those than if
[22:45]
and if they could balance them off
[22:48]
i'm not making any sense
[22:51]
well i think again my understanding
[22:52]
would be that if you
[22:54]
were balanced
[22:55]
every month it would be zero
[22:58]
well yeah you still have to pay the base
[22:59]
charge the base charge but the charge
[23:01]
election
[23:02]
will be zero
[23:04]
but it's the consumption part i just
[23:06]
looked on my bills
[23:07]
and like i said i can adjust that
[23:09]
somewhat depending on how i use
[23:10]
electricity
[23:12]
but i've been
[23:14]
basically buying a thousand kilowatt
[23:16]
hours a month
[23:17]
and producing or selling that i produce
[23:19]
more than that because part of what i
[23:21]
produced during the day i'm using
[23:25]
somebody with a smaller system if they
[23:29]
purchase a thousand from the city and
[23:31]
only produce 200
[23:34]
that would
[23:36]
the
[23:37]
current policy or the previous policy
[23:39]
would allow them to subtract 200 off
[23:42]
of that a thousand that they purchased
[23:45]
from the city
[23:46]
but if we change it to the new policy
[23:49]
they would only get
[23:50]
they get credited back because it's not
[23:52]
a subtraction they like a third
[23:55]
yeah 150
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[Music]
[24:01]
anyway they
[24:02]
those were investments also even though
[24:04]
they were absolutely fine well i really
[24:06]
prefer not to have you do anything that
[24:08]
uh that goes against what you'd already
[24:10]
planned which is to use
[24:12]
to produce and use power in a smart way
[24:14]
and
[24:15]
i just assume not uh not have to have
[24:18]
you go another way you know and then i'd
[24:21]
rather address the issue and i just want
[24:24]
to make sure that when we take it up
[24:26]
that
[24:27]
to me it doesn't do a lot of good to
[24:28]
come back to you and try to see how low
[24:31]
we can go
[24:42]
together let's just put it together
[24:43]
right the first time
[24:45]
i appreciate that so
[24:48]
again i appreciate you coming in here
[24:50]
and explaining it to us and again i'm sorry that you know that wasn't the
[24:54]
intent i don't want you to feel like it
[24:56]
was and uh
[24:57]
and appreciate your making that
[24:59]
investment because it's not only an
[25:00]
investment for you but ultimately it's
[25:02]
an investment in the community so we
[25:04]
appreciate it
[25:05]
yeah
[25:06]
[Music]
[25:08]
any other comments or questions on this
[25:10]
topic
[25:11]
i'm glad it came in yeah me too
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[Music]
[25:19]
thank you daryl
[25:20]
[Music]
[25:21]
no i love to stay now you can stay as
[25:24]
long as you want
[25:26]
and you can come back any time you want
[25:28]
you don't have to have an issue either
[25:30]
you're welcome to join us
[25:36]
okay mr styles you have another yeah mr
[25:39]
meyer wants to make a comment so i ask
[25:41]
you to
[25:43]
unmute
[25:45]
yeah i i feel like i'm back in my
[25:47]
teaching days from last year because
[25:49]
this is this is where i taught my
[25:50]
classes this this computer and this
[25:53]
headset uh first of all i'm sorry that
[25:55]
jan i think left looking at that because
[25:57]
we worked with her for many many years
[25:59]
and wanted to congratulate her on that
[26:01]
as well and i want to start off just by
[26:03]
apologizing that i really wish i would
[26:05]
have been there a couple of weeks ago to
[26:07]
talk about this at the time
[26:09]
so that we could
[26:11]
so that i wouldn't have to come to you
[26:12]
today with and request that you rescind
[26:15]
something you've already passed
[26:17]
but i'm talking about charter ordinance
[26:19]
22 and i appreciate those who've taken
[26:21]
the time to read my very long note about
[26:23]
it but just to hit a few highlights i
[26:25]
think any problems that were mentioned
[26:27]
last week we can we can address we can
[26:30]
deal with things we're still putting out
[26:31]
the paper right now and and we can
[26:34]
accommodate truly urgent things that the
[26:36]
council might pass on even on a
[26:39]
even a later tuesday night meeting we've
[26:41]
done it we we can figure out how to do
[26:43]
that we talked a little bit about rates
[26:46]
and how the in traits aren't there but
[26:47]
the real concern that i have is
[26:50]
there's a purpose for publishing notices
[26:52]
and it's not just to you know
[26:55]
uh
[26:56]
tend to some legal mumbo jumbo of
[26:58]
dotting eyes and crossing t's it's to
[27:01]
inform people and the first primary
[27:04]
thing is although there are people out
[27:06]
there like my 96 year old mother who
[27:08]
sits on the internet all the time and
[27:10]
uses their computer the census bureau
[27:12]
tells us that between one-third and
[27:14]
three-eighths of the people in marion
[27:16]
county don't have access to the internet
[27:18]
by choice it's not that they don't have
[27:20]
broadband or something else this didn't
[27:22]
want to have a computer they don't they
[27:23]
don't see that it's important so we're
[27:25]
right there
[27:26]
disconnecting anybody by going to a to
[27:29]
an online publishing format we also
[27:32]
disconnect one of the really most
[27:33]
important things which is people
[27:35]
discovering things you know yes it's
[27:37]
there if you know to go look for it on a
[27:40]
website and can find it on the website
[27:43]
but the idea of publications by putting
[27:46]
them in newspapers particularly
[27:48]
subscription-based newspapers which is
[27:50]
what the state law
[27:51]
specifies uh is that people will stumble
[27:54]
across them while they're doing other
[27:56]
things if you buy a paper you're
[27:57]
probably going to read it otherwise you
[27:59]
wouldn't buy it
[28:00]
and if you read it you're going to run
[28:02]
across these different notices that
[28:03]
we've had those are i think the main
[28:06]
points around this the others kind of
[28:08]
get into legalities yes it's been done
[28:10]
other places has it ever been challenged
[28:12]
in court no
[28:14]
will it be if this continues yes uh and
[28:17]
i don't say that as a threat it's just
[28:19]
that this is an important issue
[28:21]
that we feel strongly about it's not a
[28:24]
huge dollar amount uh it's much less
[28:27]
than than the previous speaker has
[28:29]
invested in his electrical system about
[28:32]
a sixth what he is for for an annual fee it's also more secure we it's allowing something to be published
[28:40]
in a in a separate venue by a separate
[28:42]
place i can go back
[28:44]
you know 105 years ago this was
[28:47]
published here it is this is exactly the
[28:49]
way the council gave it to to the
[28:51]
newspaper to be published nobody's been
[28:53]
able to change it during that time
[28:57]
a good friend of mine at the university
[28:59]
of illinois
[29:00]
uh who is uh
[29:02]
i'm getting an internet is unstable
[29:04]
message which means i might have freaked
[29:06]
out a little bit on you um
[29:09]
sorry about that but a good friend of
[29:10]
mine is a medieval historian
[29:12]
and she points out that the best records
[29:14]
that we have for medieval times are all
[29:16]
the printed documents and she doesn't
[29:18]
like the internet she doesn't like the
[29:20]
other things going on because as she
[29:22]
points out you know okay go read your
[29:24]
floppy disk that you'd saved every all
[29:26]
your pictures on or how about your zip
[29:29]
drive or
[29:31]
some other things of that nature there's
[29:33]
also vulnerability there's
[29:34]
accountability there's a range of issues
[29:37]
that i think
[29:38]
rise up to the point in addition to the
[29:40]
fact that there's a lot of legality
[29:43]
about areas of state law that mention
[29:45]
newspapers that clearly distinguish
[29:48]
between newspapers and websites that the
[29:50]
technique of just trying to override
[29:52]
that by saying that a website is a
[29:54]
newspaper
[29:56]
is challengeable the home rule aspect of
[29:59]
it is challengeable there's just a
[30:01]
variety of things out there i don't want
[30:03]
to get this into a big long fight over trifling amounts of money that that
[30:09]
we'd end up all spending more money
[30:10]
challenging than than we'd ever make
[30:12]
back
[30:13]
uh and i certainly don't want to go to
[30:17]
produce an election which also would
[30:18]
cost more money to do it i'm here just
[30:21]
to urge you to consider rescinding
[30:23]
charter ordinance 22 and to answer any
[30:25]
questions that you might have about it
[30:27]
and to thank you for
[30:28]
reading my very very long
[30:30]
thing and realize that that's what you
[30:32]
get when you have a retired college
[30:34]
professor writing for you he likes to
[30:36]
write long so
[30:38]
any questions anyone might have i'd be
[30:39]
happy to answer them
[30:44]
any questions for mr meyer
[30:52]
i guess we don't have any questions eric
[30:54]
and we appreciate you uh coming in and
[30:57]
sharing with us and uh
[31:00]
we'll uh we'll take it under advisement
[31:03]
well i my the only thing i would add is
[31:05]
that just because something hasn't been
[31:08]
challenged legally doesn't make it legal
[31:10]
i i drove over to
[31:12]
pueblo viejo the other night and picked
[31:14]
up some food and and noticed as i was
[31:17]
passing grace church that i hadn't put
[31:19]
my seatbelt on that doesn't mean it's
[31:21]
legal to not wear seat belts it just
[31:23]
means i hadn't done it and i hadn't
[31:24]
gotten caught
[31:26]
john hubert i think was on duty that
[31:28]
time hadn't pulled me over if he had i
[31:29]
would have been guilty of it i got away
[31:31]
with it some people are getting away
[31:33]
with some things right now uh and it's aggressive it's an aggressive way
[31:38]
to save a little bit of money and
[31:42]
in the process hurt a local business
[31:44]
uh and
[31:46]
i don't know that that's something that
[31:48]
i would encourage you to do so i would
[31:51]
encourage everyone to think about this
[31:53]
and ponder whether whether you want to
[31:56]
re reconsider the
[31:58]
charter ordinance 22 uh or we will you
[32:02]
know let the chips fall where they may
[32:03]
and we will end up being there it would
[32:06]
i will just point out
[32:07]
the earliest you could save anything on
[32:09]
would be july 1st of this coming summer
[32:12]
because
[32:14]
official newspapers are required to
[32:16]
register on july 1st and you didn't
[32:18]
register your website so
[32:21]
it would be a long time coming even
[32:22]
before this would happen so appreciate
[32:25]
your time and if anyone has any
[32:27]
questions uh or other things please let
[32:29]
me know we stand ready to to serve at
[32:32]
any time we can
[32:33]
okay thank you very much
[32:36]
uh
[32:37]
now moving on in the agenda we have uh
[32:40]
fire department annual report mr chief
[32:43]
stephanie
[32:45]
yeah here council members there's
[32:48]
not a whole lot to report not nearly as
[32:50]
exciting as last year when we got all
[32:51]
those grants
[32:53]
with the exception of our membership our
[32:55]
membership is up we've got uh one new
[32:57]
member uh nathan shaffer he's uh
[33:00]
official he's meeting me here tonight to
[33:03]
get his gear and his radio and he'll be
[33:06]
answering calls after tonight
[33:09]
um mitch d fiesta and rusty walter also
[33:12]
as soon as they get their paperwork
[33:14]
turned into danielle they as well will
[33:17]
be members um
[33:19]
rusty is going to not be so much an
[33:22]
active firefighter as he is going to be
[33:25]
an assistant to me to help me with
[33:27]
report writing
[33:28]
um
[33:29]
organizational things that i'm not
[33:30]
particularly good at he's going to help
[33:32]
me out with some of those things so um
[33:35]
i'm very fortunate to have him uh come
[33:38]
aboard
[33:40]
we have two more prospects
[33:43]
which are prospective firefighters that
[33:45]
are coming to meetings and training with
[33:47]
us um jesse dirks who is an employee of
[33:49]
the city and blake boddington and he was
[33:52]
a member of the valley center uh
[33:54]
volunteer fire department um so a very
[33:57]
good couple of uh prospects there we did
[34:00]
lose one member jesse campbell we
[34:02]
unfortunately lost into suicide
[34:04]
last year
[34:05]
um as for apparatus update um you all
[34:08]
were good enough to
[34:10]
grant us the purchase of the heavy brush
[34:12]
truck and it has been ordered but the
[34:14]
delivery date is uncertain
[34:17]
um new equipment
[34:19]
new radios uh i ordered there's three uh
[34:22]
for the for the three prospective
[34:24]
firefighters um one i have ready to give
[34:27]
nathan tonight and two are on the way um
[34:29]
they've been ordered
[34:31]
you know
[34:32]
again
[34:33]
who knows um i've been told that the
[34:35]
that the
[34:37]
timeline has been moved up so hopefully
[34:39]
we'll get those pretty soon
[34:41]
in the area of training uh the
[34:44]
scafa school which is an annual school
[34:46]
in topeka that we go to
[34:48]
um was
[34:50]
postponed in 2020 but they so they kind
[34:53]
of forced it in uh 2021
[34:56]
in august it's usually in march so
[34:59]
myself um ignacio acevedo dave lockwood
[35:02]
and weston geesbrick attended that
[35:04]
school
[35:05]
um and it was
[35:07]
for the most part pretty good but there
[35:09]
was some unorganized um
[35:16]
things going on one class i went to the
[35:18]
instructor never showed up
[35:20]
you know
[35:21]
so but then there was a couple of things
[35:23]
like that but anyway um it was still uh
[35:25]
the class i really did enjoy was the
[35:27]
wildland firefighting class a lot of
[35:30]
wildland firefighting classes refer to
[35:32]
forestry
[35:34]
and you get to get your red card which
[35:36]
you're you're an official wildland
[35:37]
firefighter and you can go to these
[35:40]
federal wildland fires
[35:42]
they that training um is mostly forest
[35:46]
firefighting and so you learn techniques
[35:48]
for that type of firefighting but we
[35:50]
fight fire wildland fire here in kansas
[35:53]
much differently and so i really
[35:55]
appreciated a class that the kansas
[35:57]
forestry service put on for fighting
[36:00]
wildland fires here in kansas a wealth
[36:02]
of information it was a great class
[36:05]
um as for
[36:07]
um runs and other training i'll have a
[36:10]
full report at the close of the year
[36:12]
um but as you may know last week tuesday
[36:14]
night and into wednesday morning we
[36:16]
fought two back-to-back
[36:18]
house fires both of them were involved
[36:21]
fully involved when we got there and uh
[36:24]
they're still standing you know but the
[36:26]
damage was heavy on both of them
[36:28]
one was uh on washington street
[36:31]
and assisting us on that one were durham
[36:33]
fire and marion fire departments
[36:35]
and the other one was on schmidt lane in
[36:37]
lehi and assisting us there were lehigh
[36:39]
fire department durham fire department
[36:41]
and gossip fire departments
[36:43]
so that was uh that was a long night
[36:46]
so um that's about all i have for a
[36:48]
report any questions anything you guys
[36:50]
would like to know about the fire
[36:51]
department the uh you mentioned the uh
[36:54]
the grants and some of the the the
[36:56]
equipment that you received last year i
[36:59]
know that you've had opportunities to
[37:00]
put some of that to use already yeah in
[37:03]
the past year yeah almost all of it i
[37:05]
wore my new bunker gear on these flyers
[37:07]
you know we did we had to wait a while
[37:09]
for because when we got our new coats
[37:11]
the sleeves i'm not kidding you my
[37:13]
sleeves were that much too long
[37:16]
so we had to send them back and you know
[37:19]
get them re-you know refit and that
[37:21]
there was quite a delay but we do we
[37:23]
have them now and they're in service
[37:26]
i'm thinking too about your boats the
[37:27]
boats we've used the boats yep
[37:29]
also we helped with the water rescue and
[37:32]
peabody we helped with some water we
[37:34]
didn't do a rescue there peabody uh
[37:36]
affected the rescue before we got there
[37:38]
using their
[37:40]
heavy brush truck right and um
[37:42]
which was effective uh so we helped with
[37:44]
some reconnaissance and you know making
[37:46]
sure that there because there were some
[37:48]
people that were staying in their homes
[37:51]
and we're encouraging them to come out
[37:53]
and they elected not to but we had that
[37:56]
means to get them out here right
[38:00]
it's good stuff yeah we're really blessed here yeah we
[38:04]
really are you know we've got a great
[38:07]
membership it's it's really working well
[38:12]
okay any any challenges uh coming up
[38:15]
that uh
[38:16]
we need
[38:25]
i know that that's on the forefront of
[38:27]
this uh council and so
[38:29]
we applaud that um and we are we are
[38:32]
ready and we stand ready you know to do
[38:34]
whatever you know you never know what
[38:36]
the call is right you never know what
[38:38]
that call is going to be
[38:39]
last night at 11 45 it was
[38:42]
tapered town houses
[38:44]
and i and firefighters still show up in
[38:47]
their bunker gear wearing a pack in the
[38:49]
fire truck i mean ready to fight fire
[38:51]
even though
[38:53]
we probably know that someone burns
[38:56]
something on the stove you know but but they still respond the way they're
[39:01]
supposed to got to call the airport
[39:03]
that's unusual for you that wasn't
[39:06]
it's happened before though
[39:09]
same kind of airplane too as a matter of
[39:10]
fact
[39:12]
yeah bonanza yeah yeah the v-wing the
[39:15]
v-tail
[39:16]
yeah
[39:18]
so um
[39:19]
it will
[39:21]
what it what are your plans to do with
[39:23]
that with that bay that the when the
[39:25]
ambulance moves up
[39:27]
have you got plans for what you're going
[39:29]
to put in that bay we'll probably put
[39:31]
the boats there
[39:32]
you know that way we can because right
[39:34]
now we have to go there to get them and
[39:37]
that takes quite a bit of time and when
[39:38]
there's a water rescue you know
[39:40]
emergency charms of the yes right so
[39:43]
we'll back the boats in there because
[39:44]
the rescue truck is what typically hauls
[39:46]
them my truck can haul them too
[39:48]
and that way just move move over a
[39:50]
couple of bays hook them up and go got
[39:52]
it so that's more likely what will
[39:53]
happen
[39:55]
and they'll fit nicely in that space
[39:56]
super
[39:58]
any other comments or questions for
[40:00]
chief
[40:03]
thank you very much you're welcome glad
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to bring on this new firefighter will
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you oh yeah
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[Music]
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it takes a good leader and and you've
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provided excellent leadership for our department and we appreciate it
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very much i think what i've done the
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best is just not messed it up there you
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go sometimes sometimes that's the best
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yeah
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thanks again all right thank y'all
[40:31]
[Music]
[40:34]
okay we're now into believe it or not
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our business section
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and uh
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first item up is ordinance 1336-2021
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series a refunding bonds
[40:48]
mr styles yes uh so we've got greg
[40:51]
varnberg here from uh raymond james and
[40:54]
to talk a little bit about kind of how
[40:55]
the bond sale went the ordinance and the
[40:57]
resolution are related to the final sale
[40:59]
and um the rate are
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basically the final sale uh so i will
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actually let greg
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talk about
[41:08]
how things went
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i think you're on mute greg
[41:18]
i can't hear you
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let me see if i got something going on
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he's off now should be
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oh
[41:30]
still can't hear you i'm sorry greg we
[41:32]
can't hear you we're not getting
[41:34]
audio
[41:39]
well this mute did go away though
[41:41]
yeah
[41:44]
technical difficulties
[41:50]
he's gonna come back yeah come back in
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and yeah i believe so so
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uh what we have
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what was included in the pack it was of
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course the ordinance for you to take a
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look at and
[42:03]
what that does is just give you the the
[42:04]
final amounts on all that
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uh what ended up happening and kind of
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how those things are going to be done
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with the refunding portion of the bonds
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and then also the resolution there is
[42:16]
for the sale final authorization and
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sale of those bonds
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uh and then
[42:23]
greg also put in a refinancing analysis
[42:26]
right here so hopefully
[42:28]
we can hear him this time
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i want to steal any of his thunder on
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this
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we can see you greg
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we can't hear you greg
[42:56]
i'm not getting anything
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okay
[43:04]
well we'll uh
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can we call in
[43:06]
yeah actually we couldn't you call in
[43:08]
greg if you wanted to do that
[43:12]
let me get i will send you a number for
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that and um
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you can we can maybe come back to it
[43:19]
here a sec if that's something
[43:39]
sent you an email greg it'll have that
[43:40]
call-in number you can get us into that
[43:43]
so
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um let's see here
[43:49]
so the actual actions here today the
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authorization
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all right greg
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[Music]
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sorry greg hold on a second
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okay
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they're not able to hear you on the
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recording
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i can hear you okay okay
[47:07]
thank you have it in the agenda let's
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so let's recap a little bit what greg
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was saying sorry about the feed on that
[50:59]
so no none of the audio greg was getting
[51:02]
was coming out so we got a lot of
[51:03]
feedback but what greg was saying was we
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had uh enterprise bank was the local
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bank to bid on the uh bid on the bonds
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and they came back with a rate of one
[51:13]
and a half percent which was a little
[51:15]
bit higher than what we initially
[51:16]
thought but we were able to adjust their
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uh
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their rate in order to bring back a
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savings of thirty three thousand and
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sixty three dollars
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so that's that is the content of what greg was
[51:28]
saying as far as what happened there so
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apologies for the issue with the sound i don't know
[51:34]
greg's microphone wasn't working or
[51:36]
something there but
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um
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unfortunately i don't think uh our folks
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on the zoom got to hear what was going
[51:43]
on with that but
[51:44]
um so you're correct what what also greg
[51:47]
was saying was that the bond is share
[51:49]
the bond ordinance and bond resolution
[51:51]
will lock in those rates and allow us to
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move forward with those purchases so
[51:56]
that's kind of the just sorry about the
[51:58]
issues with that
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okay
[52:02]
are there any questions for mr styles
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hearing none the first order of business
[52:09]
is to address ordinance 1336-2021
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series a refunding bonds
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and accept a motion to
[52:19]
adopt
[52:20]
ordinance
[52:22]
1336-2021 series a refunding bonds and
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allow the mayor to sign
[52:27]
so moved
[52:29]
councilman triggers moves
[52:32]
councilman lowen seconds any further
[52:34]
discussion
[52:37]
hearing none we'll pull the council
[52:39]
councilman gearing
[52:41]
councilman mccarty yes
[52:43]
councilman lowen yes councilman driggers
[52:46]
yes
[52:47]
the
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ordinance
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1336-2021 series a refunding bonds
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is adopted and approved
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and the mayor will sign thank you very
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much
[53:00]
now we have resolution 2021-08
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final sale documents any comments mr
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styles now this this um is passed once
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you've authorized the bond
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excuse me the ordinance and so this is
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for the final actual sale of those stock
[53:16]
for the actual sale and transfer those
[53:18]
payments
[53:19]
okay
[53:20]
would somebody care to make a motion to
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approve resolution 2021-08
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councilman mccarty moves okay second
[53:30]
councilman lowens seconds
[53:33]
any further discussion
[53:35]
hearing none will pull the council
[53:37]
councilman driggers yes councilman lowen
[53:40]
yes councilman mccarty councilman
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gearing yes
[53:44]
okay resolution
[53:46]
2021-08 final sale documents are adopted
[53:52]
okay
[53:53]
moving on to back to our strategic plan
[53:56]
mr styles
[53:57]
sir so uh
[53:59]
the strategic plan that we've been
[54:00]
reviewing i think we're ready for final
[54:02]
approval um i put it in the dropbox
[54:05]
because this is a huge file so hopefully
[54:07]
we're all able to navigate to that we
[54:10]
did make a small
[54:12]
couple small changes to it i did add tim
[54:14]
blodgett's contributions in the
[54:16]
procedure section uh and we removed the
[54:18]
special acknowledgements because you
[54:19]
didn't really have anything under that
[54:21]
special acknowledgement section but um
[54:24]
we did do a few tweaks on some of the
[54:26]
layout stuff but by and large everything
[54:28]
in there is exactly the same as what you
[54:30]
saw before except for that note on tim
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blodget's contribution so
[54:34]
unless there's something you guys would
[54:36]
like to make an adjustment on i think
[54:38]
we're ready to
[54:39]
uh do a final approval and then get down the road putting it on the website
[54:43]
and making paper copies for folks and
[54:47]
getting going on doing the work
[54:50]
hey
[54:52]
any
[54:53]
questions
[54:56]
hearing none i'd accept a motion to
[54:59]
approve the strategic plan
[55:01]
for the city of hillsboro
[55:04]
i'd like to make that motion
[55:06]
councilman lowen moves is there a second
[55:11]
councilman gearing seconds
[55:14]
any further discussion
[55:16]
hearing none all those in favor say i
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opposed motion carries
[55:22]
we now move on to adam's brown
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engagement letter mr styles thank you
[55:28]
sir so adam's brown's been our auditing
[55:30]
service now for several of the last
[55:32]
fiscal years and we've actually had
[55:34]
finished our we normally do a three-year
[55:36]
engagement with them
[55:37]
um and so
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2020 marked the end of that and so they
[55:41]
proposed another three-year
[55:44]
engagement letter for that
[55:46]
auditing services for the three years
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are uh 17 750 18 275 and 18 830 which is
[55:55]
uh three percent per year increase
[55:57]
essentially
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um and that totals out to fifty four
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thousand eight hundred and fifty five
[56:03]
thousand dollars there
[56:05]
for the total package on that uh it's
[56:08]
actually a slight reduction in fee from
[56:10]
what we paid this year because as
[56:13]
danielle hollings was talking about when
[56:15]
she presented the audit they're
[56:16]
adjusting how they look at the cvb in
[56:18]
the library uh and then a couple of the
[56:21]
rec commission
[56:23]
they're moving them to what they call uh
[56:26]
they're just a governmental unit versus
[56:28]
going through a full audit
[56:30]
they're we don't they're not required to
[56:32]
have a full audit and so they've made
[56:33]
that suggestion and that that will save
[56:35]
us a little bit of money 150 not a ton
[56:37]
but uh it's it's always nice when the
[56:39]
fee stays that stays the same or goes
[56:41]
down a little bit
[56:42]
um we could always have an option if we
[56:45]
wanted to go out for auditing services
[56:46]
you could you could put that out for bid
[56:49]
um we've been satisfied with the way
[56:51]
they've done it i can tell you having
[56:52]
switched auditors before it can be can
[56:55]
be a little bit of a headache as far as
[56:57]
you kind of get used to somebody's
[56:58]
process and kind of how you submit
[57:00]
documentation to them
[57:02]
so getting a new person can be a little
[57:04]
bit tricky
[57:05]
we did i did talk to
[57:08]
similar size cities and then the fee
[57:10]
that we've been seeing or we got back
[57:12]
was around somewhere between 16 and 20
[57:14]
000 a year so they're not
[57:16]
completely out of whack
[57:18]
so it seems like it's something that
[57:21]
we we don't have any as staff don't have
[57:24]
any issue with moving forward with
[57:26]
another three year engagement patterns
[57:27]
around
[57:29]
the reason we're doing it you know
[57:31]
reason we do the uh audit every year is
[57:33]
we're prior to because of our bond
[57:35]
covenants is but it's also
[57:37]
about being able to provide adequate and
[57:39]
clear financial information to the
[57:41]
public to let them know that we're
[57:42]
spending their money appropriately so
[57:46]
that is kind of how we do it and the
[57:47]
cost of that is always divided up we
[57:49]
divide it between the general fund
[57:51]
and our utility funds so utility funds
[57:53]
pay a little bit the general fund pays
[57:55]
for it too so that's kind of how it gets
[57:57]
paid
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okay any questions
[58:03]
comments
[58:07]
hearing none i'd accept a motion to
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approve uh the engagement letter for
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adam's brown
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uh as our
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city auditing firm
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and
[58:20]
is that something i'm to sign you're
[58:21]
going to sign yeah you can sign that one
[58:23]
okay and authorize the mayor to sign
[58:26]
a move
[58:27]
okay
[58:28]
so
[58:30]
what's that
[58:33]
councilman mccarty moves second second
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by councilman triggers
[58:37]
any further discussion
[58:40]
hearing none all those in favor say aye
[58:43]
okay all those opposed
[58:46]
motion carries
[58:47]
we are now to agenda item five in the
[58:50]
business section kpp voting member
[58:53]
selection mr styles okay so the kpp
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annual meeting is coming up in december
[58:58]
on seven tenths of wichita and so we as
[59:01]
a city get one vote as as but in order
[59:03]
to do that we have to officially
[59:05]
designate the representative for the
[59:06]
city
[59:07]
uh and then we can name alternates if we
[59:09]
need more than one
[59:11]
but one is recommended at least you can
[59:13]
have more than one
[59:14]
um i'm planning on attending but you
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know mayor thurston is actually on the
[59:17]
board for kpp so it makes sense to make
[59:19]
him the authorized voter for the city of
[59:22]
hillsborough and i'll be happy to be the
[59:24]
um
[59:25]
you know alternative if that's what what
[59:28]
you want to do so
[59:29]
uh we're
[59:31]
know
[59:32]
recommending approving uh designated
[59:35]
mayor lutheran as the kpb voting
[59:37]
delegate and myself as the alternate
[59:42]
questions
[59:45]
the only thing i would say is i don't
[59:47]
know that
[59:48]
being on the board means that i have to
[59:50]
be the voting member
[59:52]
no i don't think so and i know that uh
[59:55]
councilman lowen in the past has shown
[59:57]
interest in kpp and
[59:59]
been our voting member before
[1:00:01]
and so i guess i want to put it out
[1:00:04]
there david if that's something you
[1:00:06]
would like to continue
[1:00:07]
doing you know i
[1:00:09]
i'm fine not doing it this time around
[1:00:12]
okay
[1:00:13]
well that's fine i think i can attend
[1:00:15]
the meeting anyway
[1:00:17]
that's fine i just didn't want you to
[1:00:19]
feel like we were
[1:00:21]
pushing you pushing you aside that
[1:00:23]
wasn't that wasn't the case
[1:00:26]
i'll let you know when i feel pushed
[1:00:27]
here okay thank you
[1:00:28]
yeah
[1:00:30]
very good
[1:00:32]
okay any other questions or comments
[1:00:35]
hearing none i'll accept a motion to
[1:00:38]
approve mayor lou thurston this kpp
[1:00:40]
voting delegate and matt styles as
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voting alternate
[1:00:44]
councilman gearing moves is there a
[1:00:46]
second
[1:00:48]
councilman triggers seconds any further
[1:00:50]
discussion
[1:00:52]
hearing none all those in favor say i
[1:00:56]
opposed
[1:00:57]
motion carries
[1:00:59]
agenda item
[1:01:01]
g6 amendment to personnel policy
[1:01:03]
employee appeals process
[1:01:06]
mr stiles thank you sir uh so our
[1:01:08]
current employee handbook doesn't have
[1:01:10]
an appeals process regarding
[1:01:12]
disciplinary action so if
[1:01:14]
uh an employee has any kind of
[1:01:15]
disciplinary action up to and including
[1:01:17]
termination there's no actual formal way
[1:01:19]
for them to appeal that
[1:01:21]
um that kansas is an at will employment
[1:01:23]
state and you can be let go for any
[1:01:26]
reason at any time but uh public specter
[1:01:28]
employees do have a right or have an
[1:01:31]
opportunity have to have an opportunity
[1:01:32]
for public for due process and so
[1:01:35]
um attaching you know putting in a
[1:01:38]
disciplinary
[1:01:39]
appeals process which serves to fill
[1:01:42]
that
[1:01:43]
fulfill that obligation to public
[1:01:45]
employees and it's the right thing to do
[1:01:47]
honestly i was a little surprised to
[1:01:48]
find we didn't have one but
[1:01:50]
we were able to to draft one and
[1:01:53]
kimberlyn helped put that draft together
[1:01:55]
we modeled it off another uh another
[1:01:57]
community's policy but
[1:01:59]
um so what would happen in this proposed
[1:02:02]
situation is if somebody
[1:02:05]
has a departure has a disciplinary
[1:02:07]
action
[1:02:08]
the process would go that the city clerk
[1:02:10]
would collect all the information
[1:02:12]
regarding that and then set up a hearing
[1:02:14]
i would be with the city administrator
[1:02:16]
unless it was a complaint against
[1:02:18]
something that i have done and then it
[1:02:20]
would go to the mayor or his destiny
[1:02:23]
they would have the ability to present
[1:02:25]
that there wouldn't be any attorneys
[1:02:26]
present for the city or for the person
[1:02:29]
issuing the discipline or for the person
[1:02:30]
who's appealing
[1:02:32]
and then you know they would have an
[1:02:33]
opportunity to be heard and then the
[1:02:36]
person would have to issue an opinion on
[1:02:38]
what what the disciplinary action was to
[1:02:40]
be upheld or changed modified or uh to
[1:02:42]
be dismissed so
[1:02:45]
that's kind of the process that we're suggesting are we're
[1:02:49]
moving forward for approval recommending
[1:02:51]
for approval i don't know if you have
[1:02:53]
anything to add to that camera at all
[1:02:57]
okay
[1:02:58]
so what would happen if you guys did
[1:03:00]
choose to add this to personal policies
[1:03:02]
everybody would be given a copy of it
[1:03:04]
and anytime we make a change to the
[1:03:05]
personal policy require that all
[1:03:07]
employees have signed an acknowledgement
[1:03:09]
sheet saying that they got it and that
[1:03:10]
they've read it so
[1:03:12]
that's what would happen with this
[1:03:14]
particular case
[1:03:17]
any questions
[1:03:22]
hearing none
[1:03:24]
i'd accept a motion to approve the
[1:03:26]
proposed appeals process and add it to
[1:03:29]
the personnel policy
[1:03:32]
so
[1:03:33]
councilman driger's moves
[1:03:35]
is there a second
[1:03:37]
councilman mccarty seconds
[1:03:39]
any further discussion
[1:03:43]
hearing none all those in favor say aye
[1:03:46]
opposed
[1:03:47]
motion carries
[1:03:50]
we are now on to item seven november
[1:03:52]
through january meeting schedule mr
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styles thank you sir so uh at the last
[1:03:57]
meeting councilman
[1:03:59]
uh lowen requested that we look at uh
[1:04:02]
moving middle school basketball because
[1:04:03]
the middle school basketball practice
[1:04:04]
movement are sliding our meeting time a
[1:04:06]
little later into the evening uh
[1:04:08]
dave and i had gotten together and
[1:04:10]
talked about that we looked at
[1:04:12]
just
[1:04:13]
there's some specific dates in there
[1:04:14]
that maybe didn't need to be changed but
[1:04:16]
just for simplicity's sake we're saying
[1:04:17]
november to january so that would be
[1:04:20]
november 2 and 16 december 7 and 21 and
[1:04:23]
january 4 and 18.
[1:04:25]
moving the start time to 6 30 unless you
[1:04:27]
wanted to say something else on that one
[1:04:29]
day we talk 6 30 but
[1:04:31]
if it works better for someone later
[1:04:34]
that's fine too i don't
[1:04:36]
i'm not upset on that but 6 30 is fine
[1:04:38]
with me
[1:04:41]
well that should give you time to get
[1:04:44]
wrapped up i know
[1:04:45]
in the past had we done six and that was
[1:04:48]
maybe a bit of a challenge so
[1:04:50]
yeah 6 30 sounds better
[1:04:53]
any other
[1:04:55]
questions or comments
[1:04:56]
so to do this you have to make an
[1:04:58]
official action because you are moving
[1:05:00]
your meeting time so
[1:05:05]
okay
[1:05:06]
um
[1:05:07]
i'd accept a motion to approve moving
[1:05:09]
the regular city council meeting start
[1:05:10]
time for the months of november
[1:05:13]
december 2021 and january 2022
[1:05:17]
to 6 30 p.m
[1:05:20]
somebody care to make that motion
[1:05:25]
councilman gearing moves is there a
[1:05:27]
second
[1:05:30]
councilman drinkers this is a second any
[1:05:32]
further discussion
[1:05:35]
hearing none all those in favor say aye
[1:05:38]
opposed
[1:05:40]
motion carries
[1:05:41]
uh we now are agenda item eight
[1:05:44]
which is
[1:05:46]
job description for its chief of police
[1:05:51]
mr styles thank you sir
[1:05:53]
just looking through the packet and i
[1:05:55]
didn't see the actual description in
[1:05:56]
there
[1:05:57]
um
[1:05:59]
so what what you've got
[1:06:01]
on the screen here and i can it's
[1:06:02]
actually
[1:06:06]
okay got put in there in the wrong spot
[1:06:09]
my mistake
[1:06:10]
um so with chief dan's uh chief kenny's
[1:06:14]
retirement
[1:06:16]
that's kind of distracting um
[1:06:18]
i'd like to take an opportunity to
[1:06:20]
review and revise any job descriptions
[1:06:21]
that we have when somebody retires
[1:06:23]
especially dan who's been with us for 26
[1:06:25]
years um
[1:06:26]
there's a few things in there we needed
[1:06:28]
to kind of tweak a little bit
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so what we did was we provided you with
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the job descript with the job
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description as it currently is written
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and then also kind of look at
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what i did on there any changes that we
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made we highlighted
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um we honestly didn't make a whole lot
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of changes there we did add performs and
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manages code enforcement tasks at the
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direction of the city administrator
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they do do some code enforcement for us
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and i felt like it was probably
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important that we put it in there for
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them to note that
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um and then we added other duties as
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deemed necessary or assigned which ends
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up in all of the other marginal function uh job
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descriptions
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we also changed the
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education requirement to a bachelor's
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degree or higher in a related field
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preferred it didn't have any kind of
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requirement on education other than to
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have a
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high school diploma so
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we put that in there and
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i think that's that's probably an
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appropriate thing to have in the police
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chief position considering
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the level of
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knowledge that one needs to do that the
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ability to kind of process information
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so
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those are the main things that we
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changed uh i would note that this
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position is an exempt position um
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dan when he started as police chief had worked out to deal with the councils
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where it would be an hourly position for
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him
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um
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my intention would be go back to an
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exempt position because that's what it
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states here
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i don't know
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you know it fall definitely falls under
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the
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flsa
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category for an exempt position
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for whatever reason
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hasn't been done that way in the past
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but
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i think that that's probably an
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appropriate choice for the police chief
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position
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they are managing people they are indeed
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yes says
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so a good chunk of the job
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okay
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any questions
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the police as amended
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okay councilman mccarty moves
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is there a second announcement low in seconds any
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further discussion
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hearing none all those in favor say aye
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opposed
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motion carries
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and uh believe we have an executive
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session
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on the agenda mr stiles yeah i would ask
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for
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uh for 20 minutes i think we can get it
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done in 20 minutes and i'm going to ask
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to invite kimberlyn gilchriston to also
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discuss
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okay
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does
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someone have the motion in front of them
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and would they care to read it please
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i moved at the city council recess
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session for the purpose of discussing
[1:09:29]
personnel matters of non-elected
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personnel pursuant of ksa 75-4319
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b-1 for a period of 20 minutes the
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meeting will include the city
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administrator and city attorney
[1:09:42]
the open meeting will resume at 6 30 6
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30 or 5 30.
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i had 6 30 on the brain from your from
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our previous action sorry
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hey we have a motion is there a second okay we have a second by
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counseling triggers
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any further discussion
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hearing down all those in favor say aye
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motion carries we are now an executive
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back live on the video okay well we are
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back in in open session and i'd like the
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record to state that no action was taken
[1:10:36]
during executive session
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uh
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we do have a need to uh to go back in
[1:10:44]
and finish up
[1:10:46]
the conversations so uh
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would somebody care to make a motion
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yeah i moved at the city council recess
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into executive session for the purpose
[1:10:58]
of discussing personnel matters
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of non-select non-elected personnel
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pursuant of to case sa75-4319
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be one
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for a period of 15 minutes
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the meeting will include the city
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administrator and city attorney
[1:11:17]
the open meeting will resume at 5 45 45.
[1:11:23]
okay would somebody uh care to second
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that motion exactly
[1:11:26]
councilman mccarty seconds any further
[1:11:29]
discussion
[1:11:30]
hearing none all those in favor say aye
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all right
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motion carries we're back in executive
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set
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okay
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we're now back in open session and again
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would like the record to reflect that no
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action was taken during executive
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session
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at this time
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on our agenda
[1:12:00]
um
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we would like to go back to
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talking about the
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replacing our chief of police with chief
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kenning's retirement
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and
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we have uh
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we have asked that
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board members
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city council members assist mr stiles in
[1:12:24]
the interview process of candidates for
[1:12:26]
the position of chief of police
[1:12:29]
and
[1:12:30]
those two uh council members will be
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councilman mccarty and councilman lowen
[1:12:36]
will assist city administrator styles
[1:12:39]
in the interview process for candidates
[1:12:41]
for chief of police city of hillsborough
[1:12:47]
okay
[1:12:49]
now we're on to uh item h board
[1:12:51]
appointments
[1:12:52]
there are no board appointments today
[1:12:55]
and so we are on to sydney
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administrator's report mr stiles
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okay uh so a couple things kind of
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interesting things to talk about uh arpa
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money uh we talked about that we're
[1:13:07]
receiving four hundred and twenty seven
[1:13:08]
thousand two hundred and five eighty uh
[1:13:11]
split over two payments so we've got in
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the first half of that uh the clearest
[1:13:15]
use of those funds and you know probably
[1:13:17]
the most direct uses for water and sewer
[1:13:20]
but another category is revenue
[1:13:22]
replacement
[1:13:23]
and the league of municipalities and gfo
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a which is government finance officers
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association released some worksheets to
[1:13:29]
help determine what else revenues may be
[1:13:31]
eligible i haven't done the gfoa one yet
[1:13:34]
but i have done the lkm1
[1:13:37]
and they're showing a revenue loss we
[1:13:39]
could claim a revenue loss of up to 143
[1:13:42]
645 dollars
[1:13:46]
get that gfoa one to finish as well so
[1:13:49]
what that means is you know we talked i
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talked a little bit with kimberlyn about
[1:13:53]
this and um it would be appropriate to
[1:13:55]
use this football obviously the most
[1:13:57]
direct is still today for water and
[1:13:58]
sewer projects but
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if you wanted to look at using that as
[1:14:02]
revenue replacement those those funds
[1:14:04]
could be taken and used
[1:14:06]
as revenue replacement so they could go
[1:14:07]
into the general fund and do other
[1:14:09]
things
[1:14:10]
like taking down our building that we're
[1:14:12]
talking about purchasing or
[1:14:14]
the spray park or you know whatever
[1:14:16]
other projects you find worthy
[1:14:18]
for that revenue replacement so no need
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to make a decision at this point we
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still have a bit of time
[1:14:24]
several years before we actually have to
[1:14:26]
finish it but just wanted to let
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everyone know that that is an option
[1:14:29]
based on what we've seen and the
[1:14:31]
guidance that we've got out of the
[1:14:32]
treasury so
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uh
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that is that is an option
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for the money
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you said received in two payments
[1:14:41]
there's nothing with having to have
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spent some of this before you receive
[1:14:46]
the second payment now you have to have
[1:14:48]
it uh spent for uh two years after you
[1:14:51]
receive the last payment so
[1:14:53]
there are reporting requirements and
[1:14:54]
those actually just got deferred for
[1:14:56]
non-government non-entitlement entities
[1:14:58]
um to the end of this year so
[1:15:02]
or into next year excuse me so you know
[1:15:04]
there's no requirement to having spent
[1:15:08]
it by the time you get the second half
[1:15:14]
uh 128 south main uh ongoing bankruptcy
[1:15:17]
case on that building and so it's being
[1:15:19]
reviewed
[1:15:21]
kimberly's been monitoring that and it
[1:15:23]
sounds like it's gone to another
[1:15:24]
bankruptcy person kimberlyn actually
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left me a message today so i don't know
[1:15:29]
all the details having a chance to put
[1:15:31]
up people
[1:15:32]
yeah please too
[1:15:34]
so
[1:15:34]
the there's a new bankruptcy proceeding
[1:15:36]
went from my chapter 7 to chapter 13
[1:15:38]
which means we have a new trustee that
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we're working with um i spoke with the
[1:15:42]
trustee today and he is going to look
[1:15:44]
over all the documents that
[1:15:47]
the enforcement officer provided
[1:15:49]
regarding 128 south main and
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also
[1:15:54]
the
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just just the transaction as a whole and
[1:15:57]
see if the bankruptcy court will allow
[1:15:59]
the city to purchase the property
[1:16:01]
on what they will allow um so we're
[1:16:03]
hopeful i'm hopeful to hear back in the
[1:16:05]
next week
[1:16:08]
okay
[1:16:10]
excellent
[1:16:11]
uh another code enforcement issue we've
[1:16:13]
got is one on one south mains the radio
[1:16:15]
shack quickbooks building uh there's an
[1:16:17]
open case on that it was supposed to be
[1:16:19]
heard uh we actually had to postpone
[1:16:21]
municipal court because uh uh kova
[1:16:24]
there's a code issue
[1:16:26]
with some of the folks involved and so
[1:16:28]
we had to postpone court so it'll be
[1:16:29]
picked back up in november again on that
[1:16:32]
so
[1:16:33]
the judge municipal judge asked us the
[1:16:35]
city to solicit bids to correct all the
[1:16:37]
code issues that were noted on the
[1:16:38]
commission are important so we're in the
[1:16:40]
process of doing that
[1:16:42]
housing resource commission
[1:16:44]
we had a grant application we were
[1:16:45]
putting together for that and that
[1:16:47]
determined when we were doing that that
[1:16:48]
we're really not a strong candidate for
[1:16:50]
this year's round
[1:16:52]
they're really focusing on rural housing
[1:16:54]
incentive districts this round and then
[1:16:56]
partnerships which we don't we have we
[1:16:59]
have kind of a loose partnership with a
[1:17:00]
potential developer but we don't have it
[1:17:02]
nailed down to the fact
[1:17:04]
to the point where i felt like we had a
[1:17:05]
really strong application
[1:17:08]
and sometimes it matters if you're a
[1:17:10]
first time applicant or not
[1:17:13]
and so made to make the decision not to
[1:17:15]
submit that as it was written because it
[1:17:17]
just didn't feel like we'd be super
[1:17:19]
competitive on this round but we will
[1:17:22]
retool that and develop it a little bit
[1:17:24]
more and then go to another grant round
[1:17:26]
and there's another grant coming up in
[1:17:27]
the next few months that we can actually
[1:17:29]
participate in too so
[1:17:31]
hopefully we'll get some of that moving
[1:17:33]
forward
[1:17:34]
uh sales tax receipts you got the sales
[1:17:36]
tax receipts there for you to take a
[1:17:38]
look at
[1:17:40]
august sales we're back up to seven
[1:17:43]
thousand nine hundred seventy six
[1:17:44]
dollars and sixty two uh sixty two cents
[1:17:47]
it's the highest year so far um total
[1:17:49]
for the year is over six hundred and
[1:17:51]
twenty four thousand uh which is higher
[1:17:54]
twenty one percent higher than it was
[1:17:56]
last year and then when you look at the five year average before that it's
[1:18:00]
30 higher so it continues to stay in
[1:18:02]
pretty healthy range which is always a
[1:18:04]
good thing um
[1:18:07]
so we're going to continue to monitor
[1:18:08]
that continuing report back out on it so
[1:18:11]
um also wanted to report on the dates
[1:18:14]
for uh retirement parties for
[1:18:17]
uh both chief ken chief kenning and ed
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rickert another street department um
[1:18:23]
chief kenning is gonna be on the 15th
[1:18:25]
and that usually those usually happen
[1:18:27]
from 4 to 6 p.m um we'll have a formal
[1:18:30]
announcement that goes out on that one
[1:18:32]
and then ed was we're looking at the
[1:18:34]
22nd
[1:18:35]
same kind of situation we'll let you all
[1:18:36]
know when when those happen so
[1:18:39]
always good to celebrate those and of
[1:18:40]
course gary gary andrews will be coming
[1:18:42]
up here too um and then we may have
[1:18:44]
another one actually on the horizon as
[1:18:46]
well but
[1:18:47]
uh
[1:18:49]
just part of the turnover here in the
[1:18:50]
city everybody's getting to that point
[1:18:52]
where they can retire so never fault
[1:18:54]
them when they can do it baby boomers
[1:18:58]
like the front office
[1:19:01]
we are making our way through that one
[1:19:03]
barney
[1:19:04]
i heard uh it uh had a kpp function uh i
[1:19:08]
heard what we've experienced referred to
[1:19:11]
as the silver tsunami
[1:19:15]
yeah
[1:19:16]
that might be right all right yeah
[1:19:18]
okay
[1:19:19]
any questions for mr styles
[1:19:23]
okay
[1:19:24]
council comments councilman gearing
[1:19:27]
i'm just happy to see that um
[1:19:29]
constituents are spending their tax
[1:19:31]
dollars in hillsboro
[1:19:33]
it's a good
[1:19:34]
thing yeah
[1:19:36]
true
[1:19:37]
councilman mccarty uh
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i uh
[1:19:40]
listened to mr meyer's comments and
[1:19:43]
i'm gonna do some research i wrote his
[1:19:46]
editorial to marion paper and he said
[1:19:48]
some things in there i never really
[1:19:50]
thought about the time so
[1:19:51]
i'm going to do a little research and i
[1:19:53]
would like to readdress that sometime
[1:19:55]
what we did if that's okay okay
[1:20:00]
councilman
[1:20:03]
just no comment at this point
[1:20:05]
okay
[1:20:06]
nothing today for me okay
[1:20:09]
all right is there any other business
[1:20:10]
that needs to come before the council
[1:20:15]
hearing none
[1:20:16]
meeting is adjourned
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thank you everybody for your
[1:20:25]
participation