[0:00] for the police going up 127790

[0:04] and then of course we increased our

[0:07] revenue our expected revenues by that

[0:09] much um was property taxes now I did

[0:13] provide you one other document um I

[0:16] don't have it up here let me hurry see

[0:19] if I can pull it up

[0:22] and share it

[0:28] the best at zoom all the time. So, just

[0:30] bear with me here while I share this

[0:33] other screen. In the very back, your

[0:36] last tab, which should be 11, if I'm

[0:39] thinking right, [laughter]

[0:42] that is the new state auditor checklist.

[0:45] You'll see that they just revised it

[0:47] 41726.

[0:49] This is what us as staff and Morgan and

[0:54] I and Sherry and [clears throat]

[0:56] everybody else will kind of be using for

[0:59] our checklist about how to do truth and

[1:01] taxation. Um they had a lot of entities

[1:05] not be approved for it last year when

[1:08] they did the whole process because they

[1:10] missed one little step. So we will do

[1:13] our best to you know follow the law but

[1:16] it is nice the state auditor has become

[1:18] come out with this new checklist.

[1:20] >> Can I ask you a question? Are we under

[1:22] the impression that we've already

[1:23] decided that we're going to do truth to

[1:24] taxation?

[1:25] >> We do not have to have that total

[1:27] decision. Yeah.

[1:28] >> And in fact we really don't make that

[1:30] decision until we approve the budget the

[1:33] tenative budget. However

[1:36] based on kind of my understanding last

[1:38] meeting that was the consensus. So that

[1:41] is what I have built into the budget.

[1:43] >> Yeah. Because we can't make a decision

[1:44] in a work meeting and so I don't know

[1:46] that we've given any impression that we

[1:47] made a decision. Yeah.

[1:48] >> And so I think we still need to

[1:50] deliberate and make a decision before we

[1:52] >> Yeah.

[1:52] >> I don't want us to be taking action that

[1:54] appears as though we've made a decision

[1:55] when we made one.

[1:57] >> Exactly. And and that's a very good

[1:59] point that we should definitely clarify

[2:01] that that you know as we're doing the

[2:03] budget I have to get what

[2:06] >> I think you guys want. obviously is not

[2:08] a decision that's been made in stone as

[2:10] of this point. [clears throat]

[2:12] >> Now, if we go to approve the budget, the

[2:15] tenative budget, um at the next council

[2:18] meeting and somebody has a problem with,

[2:20] you know, a line item, they can make a

[2:22] motion to approve the tenative budget as

[2:25] is with this change, meaning like that

[2:29] we don't do 128,000 to cover police.

[2:34] Okay. Then where are we going to get

[2:37] that money from? You just need to direct

[2:39] me with that motion.

[2:41] Unfortunately, I have to have something

[2:44] for you to kind of approve. So, I do my

[2:47] best guess and then at that meetings

[2:50] when you say, "Okay, we're going to

[2:52] approve this tonight budget with this

[2:53] change or yes, we just like it the way

[2:55] it is. We're going to approve it the way

[2:56] it is." So, yeah. Well, one thing

[3:00] interesting there along what you were

[3:01] just saying about the detail it needs to

[3:03] be from the meeting was just attended in

[3:05] St. George, [clears throat] the tax

[3:07] expert. Um, there were like seven

[3:11] entities last year that didn't get

[3:14] approved for it and almost every one of

[3:16] them was a school district. So, it's a

[3:19] really fine line to get it exact or it

[3:22] immediately gets kicked out. So,

[3:24] >> yeah, I know. Um, I can throw it out

[3:27] there that Roy City, they went through

[3:29] the whole thing and they didn't get

[3:30] approved.

[3:31] >> Yeah. And um you know there's other

[3:34] cities as well that you know so it

[3:36] wasn't just school districts but the

[3:38] state law changed and the state auditor

[3:42] um the best of my knowledge this is the

[3:45] first checklist they've done since that

[3:47] change and I think it was pushed because

[3:50] so many people weren't getting those

[3:52] approved and really the state the law

[3:56] you know you can read it and stuff but

[3:58] most people are like okay now dumb it

[4:01] >> [laughter]

[4:02] >> you know, so this fact that the state

[4:04] auditor came up with a checklist, um,

[4:07] it's pretty much I won't say it's

[4:09] foolproof that if we follow it that

[4:11] we'll get it, but it's a good guide.

[4:14] It's a really good guide because it is

[4:15] the state auditor that put it out there.

[4:18] So, they kind of put their stamp on it.

[4:20] One thing I that was really appreciative

[4:23] to is when these seminars we went to,

[4:26] they really did relied heavily to on the

[4:28] Utah League of Cities and Towns had some

[4:31] of them on their committee with them to

[4:33] go through this. So anything they

[4:36] presented to us was stuff that had been

[4:38] vetted through the auditor. So that was

[4:41] really helpful too because there are a

[4:43] lot of us that are facing probably we we

[4:46] don't haven't voted on it yet but could

[4:48] be possibly facing a truth in taxation

[4:50] this year.

[4:52] >> Yeah.

[4:52] >> So Candy went to this page on general

[4:55] fund expenses. Are we coming back to

[4:57] this page or was that just

[4:59] >> that was just to talk about the

[5:01] >> Yeah, we'll be back on that page. Yeah.

[5:05] >> So yeah, my my intention was more so

[5:08] just to show you Okay. Yes, that taps,

[5:11] you know, changed and then we all

[5:14] because of that line item is where we

[5:16] put that change. Um, obviously,

[5:20] you know, that was the vibe I kind of

[5:22] got from the last meeting. So, I have to

[5:25] go with kind of what feelings I get, but

[5:29] it's not a set in stone thing. If you

[5:32] choose not to do it, you know, when we

[5:33] do the meeting um coming up here in May

[5:37] and you want to make a motion to not do

[5:39] it, please do. You know, this is my best

[5:41] guess to try and come up with a document

[5:43] that we all hopefully feel good with

[5:46] that you may not and you may not like

[5:48] something else. So, you do have that

[5:50] right in that meeting before you vote

[5:53] to, you know, make a motion that you

[5:56] want to approve the budget minus this or

[5:58] approve the budget minus that. [cough]

[6:01] I don't like the budget at all. I don't

[6:02] approve it. Well, then we have to stay

[6:04] up till midnight and come up with

[6:05] something. [laughter] Okay.

[6:07] >> Or be in violation of state law. So,

[6:10] >> we kind of have a choice. So, but I

[6:13] wanted to just kind of point that right

[6:15] out from the get-go. I did include that

[6:17] in there um because that was the feeling

[6:21] I kind of got from everybody that that

[6:23] was the route we felt like we should go.

[6:27] Um, I think it is, I can't speak for

[6:29] everybody, but I think it is going to be

[6:31] a common thing to see that a lot of

[6:34] people are going to have to have that.

[6:39] >> So, that's a definite figure because I

[6:42] know we are up in the air.

[6:44] >> Now, does that include the officers for

[6:48] the schools or is that another

[6:50] >> Yeah, the school district make their

[6:52] decision,

[6:52] >> the resource officer. So, can we refuse

[6:56] that and take that out of there or

[6:58] >> so? No. In order I read, in fact, I

[7:02] actually pulled it up so I would have

[7:04] it. When you go through the

[7:05] incorporation, in order for her to be an

[7:07] incorporation, one of the things we have

[7:09] to provide is

[7:11] >> lacing. So,

[7:13] >> so we don't have a choice.

[7:14] >> We we don't have a we don't have a

[7:16] choice. The difference was is there we

[7:19] are already they were paying 70, we were

[7:21] paying 30. We asked them to pay 100. As

[7:25] far as I know, they did not agree to the

[7:27] 100, but they still agreed to the 70,

[7:29] which is what we've been

[7:31] >> what we've been paying anyway.

[7:33] >> So, we're paying the 70.

[7:35] >> They're they're paying 70. We pay 30,

[7:37] but it is of 75% of the year. So, when

[7:41] school is not in session, then we are

[7:44] paying 100%. But those nine months when

[7:47] school's in session, we pay 30%, they

[7:49] pay 70.

[7:52] So, I got a question. When you say we

[7:53] don't have a choice,

[7:55] >> what does that mean? Because I mean I

[7:57] I'm curious

[7:59] if we have the choice to say we see no

[8:02] we see a negligible benefit from the

[8:04] additional six that you've chosen to

[8:05] add. Um we are still paying the same

[8:08] portion that we would have paid for the

[8:09] amount of the service that we've been

[8:10] receiving which is per call under what

[8:14] any other city is seeing. and we don't

[8:16] see the value and ultimately raising our

[8:18] budget and ultimately maybe taxing our citizens for an increased service

[8:23] that's giving us absolutely no value. So

[8:25] we we agree to pay you what we're paying

[8:27] you today, but we're not paying you for

[8:29] the increased services. Would they

[8:31] discontinue service and would we be in

[8:33] violation of our incorporation rate?

[8:36] >> That's a good question. I I don't know.

[8:39] >> That might be a question for the

[8:40] attorney or something. So, everyone's

[8:43] went up.

[8:45] >> If you looked at the chart,

[8:47] ours went up less than some.

[8:51] >> It still went up a substantial amount.

[8:55] >> Part of the problem, too, was what the

[8:57] county is paying in their general fund

[8:59] now and what the county is not paying in

[9:01] their general fund. [clears throat] You

[9:02] know, the whole thing with this is, and

[9:04] I've mentioned this before, it depends

[9:05] on what pocket you want to take it out

[9:07] of. So, the school district said, "Well,

[9:09] if we pay 100%, then we're going to raise your truth in

[9:13] Texas, which they probably might anyway,

[9:15] and raise it. So I said, "Okay, so then

[9:17] we have our residents take it out of

[9:19] that pocket." Well, you won't pay it.

[9:20] Then we raise taxes. It comes out of

[9:22] this pocket. If we don't pay it, and

[9:24] then the county says, "Well, they have

[9:26] to pay it." Then they raise our taxes.

[9:28] Bottom line is this amount of money

[9:31] needs to be paid.

[9:32] >> It's just who shifts that burden. And

[9:36] again, it's all the residents because

[9:38] it's all a tax.

[9:40] >> The irony of it is we any schools that

[9:43] have your resourcing

[9:46] to the pot that we don't drink

[9:49] >> except for they say they do at Rocky

[9:51] Mountain, Roy High, Roy Jun, Westfield,

[9:54] and those are our

[9:56] >> kids.

[10:00] And the other difference is if we raise

[10:02] the taxes to cover something that's a

[10:04] county assessment issue, then we're the

[10:06] ones who are going to hear from our

[10:08] constituents about it. And if they raise

[10:10] the taxes because they're deciding to up

[10:12] their budget. Then they get to answer

[10:13] why they're doing. And so that I think

[10:15] that that's a material difference to me

[10:17] is that I need to defend to the citizens

[10:19] why I'm raising their taxes and I have

[10:21] to pass the buck and say, "Well, it's

[10:23] because the the police force decided to

[10:26] add more people, which maybe they need,

[10:27] but it's not necessarily that they need

[10:29] it here." And so I have a hard time in

[10:31] that justification conversation of why

[10:32] I'm raising your taxes when it's like,

[10:34] well, we could say no and then they can

[10:36] raise their taxes and that's fine. Let

[10:38] them explain why they feel that they

[10:39] need to do it.

[10:44] sheriff's department

[10:48] just like

[10:51] it should be it own district so they can

[10:52] just

[10:55] such an increase

[10:57] >> doesn't have to go through the cities

[10:58] but who knows

[11:01] that

[11:02] >> well and having a lot of residents been

[11:04] under the assumption that we were paying

[11:06] that out of our specific budget that it

[11:09] coming out of their county taxes.

[11:14] >> Well, they're two separate things and

[11:15] residents need to understand that, too.

[11:17] You know, you still have a line item on

[11:19] your county taxes, but that's to pay for

[11:21] the jail and CSI. I mean, there's a

[11:23] whole list of things that are additional

[11:26] besides what we are paying.

[11:27] >> Yeah. But it doesn't cover the whole I

[11:29] guess it doesn't cover the whole police

[11:30] budget. A lot of people couldn't figure

[11:32] out I've had several people ask, well,

[11:35] you know, why are we having this bill

[11:37] here? comes out of our property taxes.

[11:39] And it's like, no, this is one that

[11:41] comes directly out of city budget, not

[11:43] out of the county's direct.

[11:45] >> Same with the animal control. $84,000

[11:48] comes out of

[11:52] » including me. including me.

[11:56] >> Most of us here I [laughter] know

[11:59] >> I just want to be

[12:00] >> know my solution

[12:02] >> including her because I would put cows

[12:03] on in their field because animal control

[12:05] people wouldn't work on the weekend. So

[12:07] it was

[12:08] >> the hard thing with the sheriff

[12:09] department [laughter] and I'm not

[12:10] telling you anything new. We currently

[12:13] do not have the financing in our budget

[12:15] to be able to have our own.

[12:18] You know, I the mayors meet quite often

[12:20] and Pleasant View has a budget of three

[12:22] million a year that they pay and they

[12:25] have about the same population that we

[12:27] do. And Washington Terrace will tell you

[12:30] they used to have their own 20 years ago

[12:32] and what they were paying then we they

[12:34] finally caught up to what they're paying

[12:36] this year. It's it's a I something needs

[12:39] to be done administratively down because

[12:43] then again, yes, we always have a

[12:46] choice. We could And but our choices

[12:49] would be we start our own police

[12:51] department, we try to go to a different

[12:53] police department.

[12:55] >> So that class that I was just going to

[12:58] say there's a simple cure for this

[13:00] that's been talked about for years. Just

[13:03] pay according to the service

[13:06] >> to the usage,

[13:07] >> you know, calls versus population. If

[13:10] you're not if you don't have that many

[13:12] calls even though you have a

[13:13] [clears throat and cough] population if

[13:15] it was based on calls the right it used

[13:18] to be 50/50 and that was terrible and

[13:20] then 6040 was a little better 7030 it

[13:24] would be better if it 70% on calls 30%

[13:27] on population it's really an easy fix

[13:31] but where you what you're going to be

[13:32] challenged with is the mayors that have

[13:36] cities where there's a lot of crime a

[13:38] lot more crime than we

[13:40] because it's going to be their vote

[13:41] against your vote.

[13:42] >> Yeah.

[13:43] >> And and in all honesty, we're

[13:44] subsidizing.

[13:46] >> We are subsidiz.

[13:46] >> We're subsidizing. And and I'm not

[13:48] saying there are more communities that

[13:50] aren't more apt to crime or whatever,

[13:52] but part of the things we talk about

[13:54] that try to eliminate crime, which is

[13:55] not allowing businesses to go dark here,

[13:57] not allowing high density housing, not

[14:00] you know, the different types of things

[14:01] we do communally that impact all of

[14:03] those downstream effects for crime.

[14:05] we're investing in other areas and we're

[14:07] keeping Hooper Hooper doing community

[14:09] events, keeping the community tight and

[14:12] um alleviating some of those things. And

[14:14] so in my opinion, it's like well then

[14:16] why are we also paying the price? But I

[14:18] agree with you fully. Like I feel like

[14:20] if it should just make sense like pay

[14:22] for what you use like if we're if we see

[14:24] an uptick in calls and our residents are

[14:26] using more, we paid for that. But if and

[14:29] we saw on that graph you gave us from

[14:31] the last meeting.

[14:33] >> I [snorts] mean we're at the bottom of

[14:34] the list on

[14:35] >> calls

[14:37] >> and and they're all small incidents.

[14:39] >> Full disclosure I'm trying to figure out

[14:42] [clears throat] why I have kids in law

[14:44] enforcement and it's not Weaver County

[14:46] but Perry Willard Manow have their own

[14:50] police departments. So Boxer County

[14:52] obviously has some way different. I

[14:54] don't know how they're pulling it off,

[14:55] but I am looking into that issue right

[14:57] now to find out how the crap like man I

[15:00] don't know how man could possibly well

[15:02] they got 300 res.

[15:05] >> Yeah, they do.

[15:07] >> They got

[15:09] in trouble a few years ago because that

[15:11] was supporting their city. So they

[15:13] limited them on how many tickets they

[15:16] could ride on the highway. That's the

[15:18] revenue.

[15:18] >> I am trying to investigate that a little

[15:21] bit just to see.

[15:22] >> Unfortunately for this year,

[15:24] [clears throat]

[15:25] >> we get

[15:27] but this is I think these are all really

[15:30] important issues.

[15:30] >> Yeah, we're going to look into that down

[15:31] the road.

[15:32] >> Yes. That by next year we hopefully

[15:35] we've been, you know, consistently

[15:37] investigating this and yeah, I I agree

[15:41] and I've made those same concerns. You

[15:43] know, we we're grateful we don't have

[15:46] the amount of

[15:47] But also one of the things is but they

[15:49] still have to be prepared to cover our

[15:51] population whether we have those calls

[15:53] or not.

[15:53] >> There's no doubt about that.

[15:55] >> So I think that was their rationale

[15:57] behind the 6040 is but but if you did

[16:00] have those calls

[16:02] our population still has to be covered.

[16:04] >> Well then I'm pursuing a line item from

[16:06] the animal control too because

[16:09] um I believe we've already used 60 plus

[16:12] thousand in our budget this year. Just I

[16:15] would like counting how we got that much

[16:19] used of our $84,000 budget.

[16:24] >> Yeah, I know. But I want I want the line

[16:26] items of what you charge.

[16:30] >> Yeah.

[16:31] >> For those cows in my pasture

[16:35] [laughter]

[16:38] » for them. I do more cow chasing in

[16:40] >> you do

[16:40] >> in Weaver County than Wever County

[16:43] Animal Control is because they don't

[16:45] know anything about cows

[16:46] >> and they don't know who owns the cows.

[16:48] >> I always get call from a brand inspector

[16:50] like you know whose cows you are look

[16:52] and see. So anyway,

[16:53] >> I'm sure there's some things when you

[16:55] look up there as far as the shelter. I

[16:57] mean there are some things that they

[16:59] would probably say well are you going to

[17:00] have your own? But again, I think this

[17:03] is something by next year we need to see

[17:06] if there's something different. And then

[17:08] when we get to garbage services, I'll talk about that. We mentioned a

[17:13] little bit, but may maybe some of these

[17:14] things we could do on our own.

[17:17] >> Certainly not all of them. We're

[17:18] probably going to have to pick and

[17:19] choose.

[17:21] I think if you explain to citizens, you

[17:24] know, that yes, there is a concern and

[17:26] yes, you're not happy about it, but do

[17:28] they want, you know, that all we're

[17:30] doing is increasing the taxes for

[17:33] >> the police services and then from there,

[17:37] you know, maybe a committee gets

[17:38] together, maybe the citizens get

[17:40] together and go talk to Weber County,

[17:43] you know, there's routes that they can

[17:45] go to address this, but I think our, you

[17:49] know, I'm sorry for taking up your

[17:51] >> No, you're great. It's a great

[17:52] discussion and it's something that

[17:54] definitely needs to not be brushed under

[17:56] the rug. Yeah, we've absorbed it. Let's

[17:58] move on for next year. No, it's

[18:00] something what are we going to do or

[18:02] what can we look at to make us actually

[18:05] realize if if it is great, great. If

[18:08] it's not, what are we going to do

[18:09] different?

[18:11] >> And we just need to be clear. It's not

[18:13] the service

[18:14] >> we're complaining about.

[18:15] >> It's not the service. Yeah,

[18:18] >> it's just

[18:18] >> 100%

[18:19] >> the lack of needing it.

[18:21] >> We support the officers. We appreciate

[18:22] what they're doing.

[18:23] >> Oh, yeah.

[18:24] >> Oh, yes. Love having

[18:28] » realized too we are one of the bigger

[18:30] cities, you know, geographically.

[18:32] >> Well, not even geographically, but

[18:34] population.

[18:35] >> So, they look at us and say, you know,

[18:37] like Washington Terrace, but they they

[18:40] don't say this, but they could, you

[18:42] know, they could look at us and say, "We

[18:44] have a lot less than you. a lot less

[18:46] population but they pay a lot more but I

[18:49] think we need to address it now so we're

[18:50] ready by next

[18:51] >> year for that

[18:53] >> yeah exactly

[18:55] >> so okay we ready

[18:58] >> yes

[18:59] >> okay [laughter]

[19:00] so okay so overall we did talk about

[19:03] last year or the fact that our um

[19:08] >> oh I don't know why that got typed there

[19:11] that is not supposed to say TNT

[19:13] checklist right there I apologize you

[19:14] guys Um, it was supposed to be

[19:19] Let's see if it printed out even that

[19:21] way.

[19:26] » But are we going back?

[19:29] >> I made one change on my spreadsheet and

[19:31] it changed a bunch.

[19:32] >> We're going back to tab two.

[19:33] >> Um, yeah, back to tab two.

[19:37] >> Tab two. That's actually tab two or tab

[19:39] two that's actually tab three.

[19:40] >> Tab two. [laughter]

[19:43] It printed out the TNT checklist cost

[19:45] $167.

[19:46] >> Yeah, that's not right. I apologize. Oh

[19:48] my gosh. I made one change in one spot

[19:50] and it changed every page I'm looking

[19:52] at. So,

[19:54] >> what's that supposed to say?

[19:55] >> I'm getting that real quick. I think I

[19:57] know

[19:58] >> star where you know these questions we

[19:59] have because this is something that if

[20:02] we by the time we're done today talking

[20:04] about the budget that we will need to

[20:06] make a decision on next Thursday at our

[20:08] meeting about the truth and

[20:11] for the increase to pay for the share.

[20:16] >> Okay. So, I apologize. Line item 10,

[20:20] that's account 10315,000

[20:23] should say sales tax

[20:27] 25%.

[20:28] Or 25%.

[20:32] My gosh, that makes me mad. I did that

[20:35] on a real quick

[20:36] >> last minute. Oh, we should change.

[20:41] Yeah.

[20:45] » And I'll correct that each time we get

[20:47] to that on every page. I apologize,

[20:49] guys.

[20:50] >> You're right here.

[20:52] >> Right here. That

[20:53] >> just count.

[20:55] >> What What happened is I had all these

[20:57] pages highlighted and I added that right

[20:59] there and it changed that line on every

[21:04] single page that I printed.

[21:07] >> Makes me mad.

[21:08] >> No, it's okay.

[21:10] was a sales tax.

[21:11] >> It's going to say sales tax

[21:14] 0.25.

[21:17] » So they did reduce that portion of our

[21:21] income and that is because of the

[21:24] homeless shelter

[21:26] >> um that we discussed last time. So that

[21:28] was that change there. So overall with

[21:31] the truth and taxation implemented, I'm

[21:34] estimating that our total taxes would be

[21:37] 2.9

[21:39] this year. Um an increase from what I

[21:43] estimate this current year budget is,

[21:45] but I think we'll get maybe a little bit

[21:47] [cough] more um sales tax and then of

[21:49] course the additional from the truth and

[21:53] taxation that I'm anticipating.

[21:56] Um

[21:58] and so Now, I'm just going to go by each

[22:01] kind of category. If you have a question

[22:03] within that category, maybe just stop me

[22:05] and we'll drill down a little bit more.

[22:07] Does that work for everybody if I go

[22:08] that route? So, go line by line. So,

[22:12] total licenses, I'm estimating about

[22:15] 226,400.

[22:18] A little bit less building permits. I

[22:19] could be wrong. Those are always hard to

[22:21] gauge, but as of right now, we're at

[22:25] 130. Um, so And that so you're 130. Is

[22:32] that through the first nine months?

[22:34] >> Yes, that's through um the first nine

[22:36] months. So yeah, that March back here.

[22:39] >> Maybe I missed out because

[22:43] I just went back and divided by from the

[22:48] financial statement and then divided by

[22:51] times by three. I come up with 175.

[22:55] I'll go with your figure.

[22:56] >> Well, usually if I come up at like

[22:58] 175ish, I'll round it up. So, you know,

[23:02] I kind of said, "Okay, well, maybe we

[23:04] might get close to the 180."

[23:06] >> It's the 180, not the 130 that

[23:08] >> Yeah, the 139 is just the

[23:11] >> um current year March.

[23:13] >> Yeah.

[23:14] >> Yep.

[23:15] >> So,

[23:15] >> that's actually what I have. So, okay.

[23:17] Sorry.

[23:18] >> That's okay. You're great. Um Okay. So,

[23:22] licenses [cough and clears throat] We're

[23:23] at 226400.

[23:25] Does anybody want me to increase those

[23:27] building permits more or you think it's

[23:30] better? I kind of go conservative.

[23:32] Sorry, but I usually do. But if you

[23:35] disagree with me, please speak up. Okay.

[23:38] So, I'll leave that alone then. As of

[23:40] right now, our intergovernmental um I'm

[23:43] estimating that our classy roads fund

[23:46] hopefully we'll get a little bit more

[23:48] next year. Um, I'm hoping for about 600.

[23:52] We've got 900 for or 9,000 for liquor.

[23:56] So, that's usually pretty consistent.

[24:00] So, maybe we'll get a little bit more of

[24:01] that liquor store up here. Hey,

[24:05] >> start drinking more.

[24:07] [laughter]

[24:08] >> And then we'll use the appropriate

[24:09] amount of police.

[24:12] [laughter]

[24:13] >> Well, drink if you're there with me.

[24:17] >> So,

[24:19] Yeah, there we go. Um charges for

[24:22] services I'm estimating about 82 250. Um

[24:28] the I kind of estimated maybe a little

[24:30] bit low on cemetery, but does anybody

[24:33] have any comments on there?

[24:35] >> So when we talk about you brought up uh

[24:39] changing the fees and that

[24:41] >> is this when we bring it up for like the

[24:43] cemetery or is that at a different

[24:45] point? We could certainly have that

[24:47] discussion at this point.

[24:48] >> Yeah. Or do you want to do it when we go

[24:50] through the fee schedule, whichever you

[24:51] would suggest?

[24:52] >> Maybe we can go through the fee schedule

[24:54] at the very end and maybe discuss it

[24:56] then. Okay.

[24:58] >> Yeah.

[24:58] I'm definitely game for that. So,

[25:01] >> okay. Um fines, uh 20,000 right now.

[25:06] We're only at 12,000. 20,000 I think is

[25:09] probably generous, unfortunately.

[25:11] So

[25:12] >> So what are those fines for? Those are a

[25:16] lot of the fines that we get from the

[25:18] police.

[25:19] >> Okay.

[25:20] >> So, yeah.

[25:27] » Or

[25:29] [clears throat]

[25:30] >> no caught.

[25:31] >> Okay. [laughter]

[25:35] » So, okay. And then um our next is our

[25:39] miscellaneous which is 323100.

[25:42] I will point out that part of that is

[25:44] tomato days. Um, but we did not get any

[25:48] grants for that this year

[25:50] >> and we actually have 7,000.

[25:52] >> Oh, we did get 57,000.

[25:54] Okay. So, we want to add that in there.

[25:56] So, I'll add that in there. [snorts]

[25:58] >> Um,

[25:59] >> and then the is that uh something

[26:02] besides the home down there or is that

[26:05] what that is?

[26:06] >> The tomato.

[26:07] >> No, the

[26:11] rat.

[26:12] Oh,

[26:13] >> is that

[26:14] >> like booth rent space?

[26:16] >> Okay. So, the rent is for the rental

[26:19] home over by

[26:21] >> the

[26:23] road.

[26:24] >> Yep. Yeah. So,

[26:27] right now we're getting 1,800 I believe.

[26:33] » Um is I usually um will budget part of

[26:39] the money that we get that we that 5,000

[26:43] um or that 5% of the utility tax that

[26:46] we've set aside, we'll budget some of

[26:48] that for expense. Well, I don't want to

[26:50] just take that out of general fund

[26:53] revenues when I'm already putting it

[26:55] into that reserve. So, if I record it as

[26:58] income, then I have the expense to

[27:00] offset it when it's really just pulling

[27:01] from a reserve.

[27:03] >> So, what does

[27:05] >> is that the emergency response?

[27:07] >> Yeah. So, that's basically giving them

[27:08] the authorization to spend some of it in

[27:11] the expense category.

[27:13] >> So it'll never show an expense here.

[27:16] >> No, it it it is in the expense category

[27:18] to offset that.

[27:21] [clears throat]

[27:21] >> This would be an income. So zero.

[27:24] >> Yeah. So it will say zero because we're

[27:26] using fund balance. But I don't want to

[27:29] use other fund balance. We're using that

[27:32] restricted fund balance. So I'm giving

[27:34] authorization to pull from that

[27:36] restricted fund balance to spend it.

[27:41] It's confusing. I know. I get you. It's

[27:44] that governmental accounting. [laughter]

[27:46] >> And I know we talked once about maybe

[27:48] just setting a straight amount rather

[27:50] than 5% because the 5% was quite a large

[27:54] number.

[27:54] >> Yeah. And I've talked to Dave, Larry's

[27:57] talked to Dave, they haven't used the

[27:59] 5%.

[28:00] >> And according to Dave, the first couple

[28:02] years is really the ramp up usage. And

[28:04] he feels like after three years or so,

[28:06] it's probably going to plateau and we

[28:07] won't have much use of it at all.

[28:09] There are a few things that he needed to

[28:10] do this year between the trailer and you

[28:12] know getting the antenna and stuff on

[28:14] the roof, but I don't even think we're

[28:16] touching 9,000 10,000 right now.

[28:19] >> We've got 39,000 reserved right now.

[28:21] >> That's what I wrote down. I'm thinking

[28:24] >> because Dave [snorts] said he was going

[28:26] to get some money this year, some next

[28:28] year. If the money's sitting there, why

[28:31] don't we just get that project done

[28:34] >> because he says then it's going to go

[28:35] down into the hundreds that he'll in a

[28:38] year and

[28:41] >> yeah, I just don't see why we

[28:43] >> let him do it. I mean,

[28:44] >> so how much do you think we

[28:46] [clears throat] need to get him to

[28:47] spend?

[28:48] >> I think I should talk to him and just

[28:50] say if we were

[28:51] >> and just say if we were to get

[28:52] everything done you need, what is that

[28:54] going to cost us?

[28:55] >> And then we can look at like maintenance

[28:57] over time. So

[28:57] >> even though the council, the previous

[29:00] council told me to put 5% away for this

[29:03] utility tax, it's reserved. It's not

[29:05] restricted. So it means that you guys

[29:08] can easily say, "Okay, now stop doing

[29:11] that."

[29:11] >> Yeah.

[29:13] >> Doesn't mean that you'll be in high

[29:16] favor with other people, but you have

[29:17] the right to tell.

[29:18] >> Well, I think they realized that too

[29:20] many years ago.

[29:21] >> Yeah. And if we already have that 39,000

[29:23] that he uses this year, then if that's

[29:26] already set aside, maybe we should do

[29:28] this like 5,000 or something. I mean,

[29:31] that's every year from then on. they

[29:33] would still be getting that in addition

[29:35] to that 39 they already have.

[29:37] >> He told me that he he would need 9 to

[29:39] 10,000 for the next two years for sure.

[29:42] >> And then he really thought that it would

[29:48] » like 20,000.

[29:51] >> Yeah. 39.

[29:54] >> Yeah.

[29:54] >> Well, it's not going to get any cheaper

[29:56] if we wait to finish it down really.

[29:59] Everything goes up every year. Mhm.

[30:01] >> Okay.

[30:02] >> Yeah.

[30:02] >> Let me I'm going to meet with them. I'll

[30:03] just meet with them and just be short

[30:05] and get a conservative estimate

[30:07] >> and then give a full number on that

[30:09] >> and maybe what we need to do if you guys

[30:11] are okay with this um maybe say

[30:14] everybody, you know, we have this

[30:15] meeting, we go through everything, we've

[30:17] talked because I don't want to just come

[30:19] to the meeting um in a couple days and

[30:23] say, "Here's the tenative budget. We

[30:26] made these changes. Now you guys approve

[30:28] it because you haven't had a chance to

[30:29] look at it. I don't want to do that. So

[30:32] maybe if you can try and get that or any

[30:34] of the other numbers that we might be

[30:36] able to get a little bit more solid

[30:38] maybe like by Mondayish

[30:42] and then Tuesday

[30:44] >> um

[30:45] >> that would be good.

[30:46] >> I was say even like Tuesday I could

[30:48] reprint everybody or re email. I sorry

[30:51] it's

[30:52] >> okay. [snorts] Oh, so you may not get

[30:55] him. But either way, if we can try and

[30:57] get something, then that way I just

[30:59] don't want to throw something at you

[31:00] last minute. You know, I want to give

[31:02] you guys [clears throat] the chance to

[31:02] look at things and from here on maybe if

[31:05] I make changes, I will highlight those

[31:07] changes so that you'll know exactly what

[31:09] changes we made.

[31:10] >> How's that?

[31:17] Um, we had some donations

[31:19] or

[31:21] >> we had

[31:23] >> Oh, hold on.

[31:25] My brain can't think two times

[31:28] at once. [laughter]

[31:30] >> I know.

[31:31] >> I'll make it purple.

[31:36] » Yeah. So, the senior lunch um I believe

[31:40] we were collecting and they've been

[31:42] spending it out of that. That probably

[31:44] just needs reclassified

[31:46] um

[31:48] down here

[31:50] in the expense. I think we've got an

[31:52] expense for senior lunch.

[31:57] » Yeah, it should be over here in the

[31:59] expense.

[32:10] Oh yeah, we have 4,000 as a

[32:13] line item for that. So I'll move that

[32:15] over on the financials. But yeah,

[32:19] >> that's something we probably want to

[32:20] talk about if because we still have the

[32:22] Roy, but do we want to do it for

[32:24] Riverdale? And that's what we had set

[32:26] aside 300 for those vouchers.

[32:29] >> 4,000 a year.

[32:32] Well, we signed it for two years in our

[32:34] local agreement.

[32:36] >> So, this year is the second year and

[32:38] then we'll see after that.

[32:40] >> How much bang are we getting for our

[32:41] buck with that? Do you have any idea

[32:43] >> with Roy?

[32:44] >> The main reason we're doing that is to

[32:46] keep their center open. You know, the

[32:48] Weber human services came through and

[32:49] said we're closing.

[32:50] >> Yeah, I heard that.

[32:51] >> Yeah, we have a lot of residents.

[32:53] >> Oh, we have a ton of residents to use. I

[32:55] just wonder

[32:56] >> and I don't know how many even with

[32:58] Riverdale we have left. We had quite a

[32:59] few come in and even pick up the

[33:01] vouchers.

[33:02] >> We have used our voucher a lot when you

[33:05] have that be a good thing.

[33:06] >> No, I think when you ask that

[33:08] >> I think we've given out about 10 or 12

[33:10] vouchers for Riverdale.

[33:11] >> How many?

[33:12] >> 10 or 10 to 12.

[33:15] >> Yeah, with Roy. I don't know if there's

[33:16] any way we can find out ballpark how

[33:19] many residents are using them.

[33:21] >> Well, in the past we've had 2,000 as the

[33:24] city senior lunches right below the Roy

[33:27] City. We're no longer doing them here.

[33:30] Do we want to just

[33:32] give that to the Riverdale? And you said

[33:35] it was 3,000.

[33:37] >> No. Well, we we

[33:40] >> Yeah, we were going to do 20 vouchers at

[33:43] 300 a piece.

[33:44] >> 30

[33:45] >> I mean at 30, excuse me.

[33:47] >> Yeah, 600.

[33:52] » 600,000.

[33:59] expenses.

[34:02] » Yeah. I wonder if we do a thousand and

[34:04] we could see. I mean, it doesn't mean

[34:06] we'll get that many people coming.

[34:10] But we I was surprised how many people

[34:12] did.

[34:15] >> Could they Couldn't they go back and

[34:16] check their record? Don't they have like

[34:18] You have to identify yourself.

[34:21] >> Yeah. So, how many came from Booker or

[34:23] could find that out for us?

[34:25] >> They gave us those numbers that one

[34:26] time. I'm going to look and see because

[34:28] I think

[34:29] >> I think somewhere I have them I have it

[34:31] for

[34:33] It was more. Yeah, we were surprised how

[34:35] many people go.

[34:36] >> I don't want to sound

[34:38] a lot of them don't go.

[34:44] » Okay. So,

[34:45] >> my mother-in-law was

[34:48] >> every day, but she's been gone for a

[34:49] while. So, the figures may not be super

[34:52] accurate anymore.

[34:56] » I don't think you'd go either way.

[34:57] You're right.

[34:59] >> Okay.

[35:01] So, I adjusted that down to a

[35:03] th00and. Is that okay?

[35:05] >> Yeah.

[35:08] >> Okay. So,

[35:10] we'll change. Okay. [snorts] So, that

[35:13] gives our total income at 4.1

[35:17] 99.

[35:19] Okay.

[35:21] Um

[35:24] Okay.

[35:27] >> What was that total again?

[35:29] >> You're good. There you go.

[35:36] » Okay.

[35:38] Um, so we'll go to section three.

[35:43] [laughter] How's that sound? Tab three.

[35:46] The real tab three.

[35:50] Um,

[35:52] okay. So, our total governments, um, we

[35:57] did cut a little bit. Oh, there's that

[36:00] TNT that 10418

[36:02] 8080

[36:04] should say.

[36:08] » And I found the number. We have 28

[36:10] residents that regularly attend boy

[36:13] >> still or that was

[36:15] >> that that was their numbers they gave us

[36:16] when we signed on

[36:18] >> and that was a year and a half ago.

[36:21] >> Yeah.

[36:21] >> Okay. I'm sure.

[36:24] >> Okay. So that 1041810

[36:27] should say planning commission training.

[36:30] >> Sorry,

[36:33] » that makes me mad at that.

[36:41] » Um

[36:42] >> Jimmy,

[36:43] >> yeah. He he said there's a

[36:45] misunderstanding there. He needs all the

[36:47] money.

[36:49] >> 49,000.

[36:49] >> Well, here's what he said.

[36:52] They made the money for the cover for

[36:55] the trailer to sit under. They're trying

[36:57] to get their hands on a Quanza hut

[36:59] that's cheaper. So, he's like, "Look,

[37:01] I'm trying to save everything I can."

[37:03] But he's like, "If you take it and then

[37:05] we don't have it, then we're

[37:06] ineffective." And he made a good point

[37:09] to me. The problem with just getting the

[37:11] project finished is they're all

[37:12] volunteers.

[37:13] >> So, he's like getting spending that

[37:15] money quickly. We just we're relying on

[37:17] people who help us do this. And so, it's

[37:19] not like hiring a group of people to

[37:21] come in and put the shelving in, get it

[37:22] done, get the structure built, so it's

[37:24] harder to estimate because they're all

[37:26] doing it all volunteer.

[37:28] So his ask was if you don't take it, let

[37:31] us get through as much as we can and

[37:33] then in like 3 months we can say, okay,

[37:36] this is we didn't need it all and you

[37:38] know, I don't know if we can take it

[37:39] later or if we can move it

[37:40] >> next year or next year we can change our

[37:42] >> I just don't restrict it. Yeah. So, do

[37:44] we want to give him maybe 20,000? And

[37:48] >> I I asked him,

[37:50] >> he thinks he needs all 39.

[37:52] >> Yeah, he thinks he needs He He just said

[37:55] I said, "Well, you know, Larry said he

[37:56] spoke to you and you said maybe around 9

[37:58] or 10." And he goes, "That may have been

[38:00] a misunderstanding. I think I was

[38:01] talking about just the structure to put

[38:03] it underneath and the shelving inside

[38:05] it." He said they still have to get a

[38:06] generator. That's going to cost probably

[38:08] 1,500 bucks, maybe two grand, something

[38:09] like that. So it just depends the

[38:12] pieces, you know,

[38:16] >> just leave the 39.

[38:20] » Should we give him like 20 to spend this

[38:24] year and then he can spend

[38:27] >> Will that 20 be in excess of 39? I don't

[38:30] know.

[38:30] >> No, it will be the 39 basically part of

[38:33] the 39.

[38:35] >> But the 39's going to keep getting added

[38:37] to.

[38:38] >> Yeah. What if he needs the 39?

[38:40] Then we amend the budget.

[38:42] >> Yeah. Okay. But we know we have the 39.

[38:44] >> Yeah. So just um [clears throat] so

[38:47] everybody understands this 450.

[38:50] >> Yeah.

[38:50] >> Um 5% of that is restricted for the

[38:53] search every

[38:55] >> Okay.

[38:55] >> So he'll have it available.

[38:56] >> So he'll have the 39 plus another 225

[39:01] next year.

[39:02] >> Yeah. Unless we can we'll maybe restrict

[39:05] it from there to see what it looks like.

[39:07] >> Yeah.

[39:08] >> Or we could reduce that down to 2 and a

[39:09] half% or we could say x amount each

[39:12] year.

[39:12] >> I think realistically he's not seeing

[39:14] the usage for it, but like you said,

[39:15] part of that is he's got volunteers who

[39:17] can help them when they can come put the

[39:19] showing and do all that stuff and it's

[39:21] kind of

[39:23] >> restricted. Okay. Okay. So, let's

[39:27] >> everyone cool with that?

[39:28] >> I don't I wasn't hearing the original

[39:29] intent of setting this up. The other

[39:31] thing is we're going to have a nice

[39:32] fancy trailer with all this stuff in it

[39:34] sitting there waiting sitting in there

[39:36] cover parking and you know I don't know

[39:37] we may want to talk about the future of

[39:39] how we use that. I know there's been

[39:41] discussion about letting the fire

[39:43] department use it or different people

[39:44] use it and I don't know what that looks

[39:47] like that's just thrown out of the

[39:48] meeting. So I don't know our thoughts on

[39:50] the value of it just sitting there going

[39:52] waste either you know.

[39:53] >> I was worried she's going to have to

[39:54] clean some

[39:55] >> Yeah. I'm not cleaning.

[39:56] >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. So I don't know if

[39:58] we bring it to like

[40:00] >> tomato days like a touch a truck event

[40:02] let people see it I don't I don't know

[40:03] what other intrinsic value we get other

[40:05] than just having it on the shelf there

[40:07] like food storage but

[40:09] >> once we get it done then that that will

[40:11] disappear basically or basically

[40:14] >> but then don't you have to rotate

[40:15] >> you do you got to replace stuff

[40:17] >> oh yeah there ain't going to be near as

[40:18] much

[40:19] >> not the initial

[40:20] >> rotating materials [cough]

[40:23] >> that's going to be minimal what you're

[40:24] rotate

[40:26] >> you'll tires every seven, eight years.

[40:29] You'll have the medical stuff.

[40:32] >> Is that built in there since it's an

[40:34] asset like a depreciating asset? Is

[40:36] there like that whole thought on the

[40:37] budget too? Like how do we

[40:39] >> because it's a general fund, it's not

[40:40] depreciated.

[40:42] >> Okay.

[40:42] >> Until you do the Gazsby 34, which I

[40:45] don't expect any of you to be like what?

[40:48] [laughter]

[40:49] But yeah, um when we do the audit, there

[40:52] is a conversion that is depreciated at

[40:54] that point. But on your general

[40:55] financial statements, not they're not

[40:57] depreciated. That's generally accepted

[41:00] auditing

[41:02] >> standards for government.

[41:05] [clears throat]

[41:06] >> Oh, thanks.

[41:07] >> Yeah, sorry.

[41:08] >> Commission train.

[41:09] >> Okay. So,

[41:11] I'll jump back to that. Um, so we we did

[41:15] do reduce planning commission training

[41:17] because there was the comment that we

[41:20] probably didn't need as much.

[41:24] So, did we already get past the council

[41:26] and council training?

[41:27] >> Um, that's part of the line that we're

[41:29] on.

[41:29] >> Yeah. I mean, council training

[41:33] this year. I mean,

[41:37] » 7200

[41:41] we could definitely reduce that if you

[41:44] don't see a need to go to as many

[41:47] trainings.

[41:50] The way I figured I mean the council is

[41:52] going to be uh under 13,000. Do we need

[41:56] 15? I mean is there any reason

[41:59] >> 15's your

[42:01] >> 15 the salary?

[42:02] >> Yeah.

[42:03] >> 7200's your training.

[42:04] >> Yeah. But but I know you're saying that

[42:07] projecting that you're only thinking 13,

[42:09] but we want to project for if everybody

[42:12] attended every single meeting and what

[42:14] the rate is and that's what it come.

[42:16] Yeah. So

[42:17] >> yeah. So that's why I come up with that

[42:18] and I'

[42:19] >> I'd recommend staying with that, but

[42:21] >> it's your budget. [laughter]

[42:26] » Yeah. So

[42:27] >> I need a reason. So

[42:29] >> that's exactly what I'm doing.

[42:32] >> Yep. So [clears throat]

[42:36] » additional meeting too. You get paid per

[42:38] meeting council does. So that's

[42:43] >> I don't know how it works.

[42:47] Uh so that council train we need that

[42:50] much

[42:51] >> we could definitely reduce it

[42:54] >> hotels and traffic it's just all it's

[42:56] expensive

[42:58] >> what repeat

[42:59] >> the hotels itself

[43:02] >> if you go to like

[43:06] » one a year that's you travel and then

[43:08] there's

[43:09] >> so just this one that you guys went to

[43:11] this weekend or this last week for three

[43:13] nights it was 5.91 for just one person

[43:15] at a

[43:17] for three nights.

[43:17] >> Per Yeah, for three nights. So you

[43:19] consider how many people go times that

[43:22] plus the training material for

[43:26] >> I'm probably low on my estimate then

[43:31] » same.

[43:35] [laughter]

[43:38] » Thank you for your sacrifice.

[43:40] >> I'm sure you did that just to save

[43:41] everybody.

[43:42] >> Whatever I can do.

[43:45] >> [laughter]

[43:46] >> You did your part.

[43:54] » 25%.

[43:56] >> On the attorney.

[43:58] >> Um, so that we do have built into that

[44:03] if we have like any major lawsuits or

[44:06] anything that we have room to

[44:09] [clears throat]

[44:10] attorney. Um, our attorneys have kind of

[44:13] expressed that they are looking to up

[44:16] their bill. Um, how much is it now?

[44:19] >> 4,000.

[44:20] >> So, I talked to him. So, we have this

[44:22] set rate of 2500. That just kind of

[44:25] covers the normal.

[44:27] >> Are we talking a month or year

[44:29] >> a month? 25,000.

[44:32] >> 4,000. And part of that is because

[44:35] there's been a lot of additional calls

[44:38] and they're working on a lot of

[44:39] additional things besides just the

[44:41] normal. And I asked him if he had just a

[44:44] like a rate, but he didn't give me an

[44:46] hourly because I said, "Well, could we

[44:48] have something the 2500 covers this, but

[44:50] everything above and beyond that you're

[44:53] doing if we're calling asking for

[44:55] additional

[45:00] » that's pretty substantial.

[45:03] Except for it's less than what we've

[45:05] been paying in the past.

[45:10] » We preveraged about 40 about 4500.

[45:19] » I thought it was still the same legal

[45:21] service that we have had.

[45:23] >> It's the same one.

[45:24] >> Yeah.

[45:25] >> Darren.

[45:27] >> Matt.

[45:28] But he's going there's going to be

[45:30] another one joining Darren.

[45:38] But one thing we have found and I you

[45:40] know I was the one that asked him

[45:43] because there's been a lot of things

[45:44] we've needed him to do and when we call

[45:46] they they don't have time but but you're

[45:49] probably aware they have spent a lot of

[45:51] time investigating things doing things

[45:54] that have taken a lot of you know um

[45:57] like when he calls me and says oh I've

[45:59] had council member call and they accused

[46:02] me of doing something and then they

[46:03] spend several hours inst investigating

[46:06] all that is above and beyond of what

[46:09] normally and so then we're saying okay

[46:10] we need this or if Malcolm calls or

[46:13] something sometimes we pretty much

[46:16] >> so roughly do we have a rough hour mark

[46:20] so the attorney that I use for our

[46:23] business is $350 an hour and uh if they

[46:29] have somebody like Morgan

[46:33] do the

[46:35] It's about a third of that. But if it's

[46:38] >> if they have to do all the

[46:41] >> Yeah. If it's the lawyer and so

[46:45] it's 11.4 hours,000.

[46:51] » So I guess he's what two three hours a

[46:55] week?

[46:56] >> Well, yeah. Just coming to the meetings.

[46:58] He would he would be that much. And we

[47:00] have had quite a few ordinances. we've

[47:02] had him working on.

[47:04] >> We have some additional ordinances we

[47:06] need him to work on.

[47:08] >> That's two of us plus the planning

[47:09] commission meeting, right?

[47:14] » So there's

[47:15] >> it really isn't very many hours. And he didn't he didn't come to me and say I

[47:21] want to be paid more. I went to him and

[47:23] said because we've noticed every time

[47:25] well multiple times he'll say I'm

[47:27] [clears throat] not I'm not getting

[47:28] paid. there's not enough hours in the

[47:31] contract to do this, you know, ju just

[47:34] um for example, like we're now

[47:39] I don't mean to get off, but we we have

[47:41] no commercial codes per se here in

[47:43] Herbert

[47:44] >> and so so if we have a commercial

[47:47] development come those have to be

[47:49] somebody has to write those. Well, we

[47:51] won't be paying him to write them, but

[47:53] we still have to pay him to review

[47:54] those.

[47:55] >> Or if we have a development agreement

[47:58] that we with a developer and this just

[48:01] isn't commercial. This is even if we a

[48:03] residential, someone else writes that,

[48:06] but normally it's an attorney that we

[48:08] use that. Well, that wouldn't make

[48:09] sense.

[48:11] >> So, if we've already used up, you know,

[48:13] three or four hours just for him coming

[48:15] to a meeting. So, we've already used up

[48:17] 12 of our, you know, ner and you say we

[48:20] only get 11 hours, then we we've

[48:22] basically used up our hours before we

[48:24] even had doc.

[48:31] 2500

[48:33] months that be 22,500

[48:38] » and we also have 20,000 as attorney fees

[48:42] in our sewer.

[48:47] » Yeah, because you can't, you know, some

[48:50] of what he's doing is in sewer and so we

[48:53] have to

[48:56] >> unfortunately And that wouldn't come out

[48:59] of the one. It would only come out of

[49:01] the general fund and we have to charge

[49:06] the sewer for some or Yeah. For

[49:09] >> to keep the state happy, you have to

[49:10] split it basically.

[49:11] >> Yeah. Basically,

[49:13] >> I mean the other option is is we could

[49:15] start just

[49:17] charging the general fund some fees for

[49:19] all that. But that

[49:22] is not typically how you're

[49:24] >> in your opinion that way is the best way

[49:26] for us to do it at this point in time.

[49:28] >> I'm fine either way, but you got to come

[49:30] up if you're not doing it this way, then

[49:32] you have to come up with an allocation

[49:34] method of how you're charging an

[49:36] administrative fee to your general fund

[49:39] for those legal costs and then you have

[49:43] to substantiate that. So there's a lot

[49:46] more time, effort, and calculation

[49:49] involved, but I'm not opposed to it. I

[49:52] can do it, but we just have to come up

[49:54] with a reason.

[49:56] >> But we do have enough money in attorney

[49:58] fees. And when I asked Cammy about this

[50:01] before the meeting, we have already set

[50:03] aside. I mean, this isn't like we're

[50:05] bumping up our budget. It's just we'll

[50:07] be absorbing some of those attorney fees

[50:10] and some of these other categories.

[50:11] >> Okay. So, I've got some questions about

[50:13] that.

[50:14] So we have secured a water attorney. So

[50:18] would that come out of this fee?

[50:20] >> Okay.

[50:21] >> So

[50:22] this is any attorney we need for

[50:24] anything.

[50:25] >> Any attorney you need for anything? Yes.

[50:27] >> Very specifically, the sewer attorney

[50:29] fee is that the only other line item for

[50:30] attorney.

[50:31] >> Yes.

[50:32] >> So the sewer attorney fee is not the

[50:34] water attorney.

[50:35] >> No.

[50:36] And when we're talking to our attorney

[50:39] and saying, "We need your help on

[50:40] something." He's saying, "I don't have

[50:42] the hours." We're saying, "Well, we're

[50:44] paying you a completely separate item

[50:47] for sewer." So, if we're asking you

[50:49] sewer, you do have the hours.

[50:51] >> We right now what is happening is

[50:54] they're allocating [clears throat]

[50:55] a portion of the bill to sewer, saying

[50:59] that, you know, part of just functioning

[51:02] as a city, the sewer department needs to

[51:06] for a part of that. It the argument

[51:08] could be made for garbage and for um

[51:12] storm drain, but we haven't in the past.

[51:14] >> So, they may not necessarily be working

[51:16] on sewer stuff. They're just noting

[51:18] their feet to it.

[51:19] >> Yeah. Because there's kind of the

[51:20] overhead of even like you guys

[51:23] functioning, believe it or not, is part

[51:26] sewer because you you know,

[51:30] >> it's part of the budget.

[51:31] >> Yeah.

[51:31] >> So, that's kind of the argument. There

[51:34] are cities and I mean we can change how

[51:36] we've done things in the past and it's

[51:39] either way works like I said that you

[51:42] put everything into the general fund and

[51:44] then you say okay we're going to come up

[51:46] with a calculation [clears throat] state

[51:48] auditor says you just simply have to

[51:51] have substantiation for that

[51:52] calculation. How are you calculating it?

[51:55] What's your backbone behind it? Their

[51:57] city that put all their wages into their

[52:00] general fund and then allocate it out.

[52:02] We have a software that does it

[52:03] wonderfully. Why double do is my thought

[52:06] on that. So we let the software allocate

[52:09] the wages.

[52:10] >> So why are we specifically doing it for

[52:12] sewer but not garbage?

[52:14] >> Um I think the thought process was that

[52:17] garbage doesn't necessarily have a whole

[52:21] lot of legal problems. You know storm

[52:24] water possibly could, but it's really

[52:26] not covering itself anyways. We're going

[52:29] to have to subsidize that one probably

[52:31] down the road anyways.

[52:33] >> So, [clears throat] we have a lot of

[52:34] stuff with sewer.

[52:36] >> Not necessarily specific for sewer.

[52:39] [clears throat]

[52:40] >> Yeah. If we have a claim, a liability

[52:42] claim go through insurance

[52:46] cover it.

[52:50] » Yeah. I'm just trying to understand why

[52:52] we [clears throat] broke it out. Like,

[52:53] are we using it? Is it something what's

[52:56] the purpose of breaking it out to so we

[52:58] can really understand what we're

[52:59] spending?

[52:59] >> Yeah. And I I understand that.

[53:01] >> How many years in the past? So in the

[53:04] past it's just the sewer deportion from

[53:07] what I understand it's just been a

[53:09] portion of the overall legal bill

[53:12] because like I said [clears throat] you

[53:14] as an entity the attorney you know

[53:17] coming to council meeting

[53:20] >> is covering that you know

[53:23] part of you having that meeting and the

[53:25] attorney being here that needs to some

[53:29] of that should go to sewer. Should some

[53:31] of it go to storm water? Probably. But

[53:34] storm water doesn't have the money to

[53:36] pay for it, I'll be honest.

[53:38] >> So,

[53:39] >> would it would we feel more comfortable

[53:41] if we switch more? I don't know how much

[53:44] we have in our general attorney if we

[53:46] switch more into the general and had

[53:47] less in the sewer. The numbers are still

[53:50] going to be the same.

[53:52] >> Well,

[53:53] >> and the sewer doesn't have the money

[53:54] either. [laughter]

[53:59] explain why.

[54:03] » Yeah. Yeah. We don't typically I mean if

[54:06] we needed an agreement or something,

[54:07] we'd go to our city attorney. But if we

[54:09] have a liability claim like someone's

[54:11] house gets full of sewage and it's our

[54:13] fault, we're going to file a claim with

[54:15] the insurance company and they'll either

[54:17] just pay it or they'll say we're going

[54:18] to fight this and then they'll usually

[54:20] provide a lawyer up to a certain amount,

[54:23] >> which is the point of having dis

[54:25] [clears throat]

[54:27] Maybe it's fine.

[54:29] >> Okay. Well, and the thing is is if you

[54:31] did send it to general fund, then you're

[54:33] using property taxes to pay for it.

[54:36] Whereas if you're got it in sewer,

[54:38] you're able to absorb some of that with

[54:40] the cost of the what you're charging

[54:42] >> unless there's a reasonable reason to

[54:44] move it.

[54:46] >> I I honestly think it's a good route to

[54:48] go in my opinion, but it's not written.

[54:53] >> Yeah.

[54:53] >> So, is that more not muddy the So I

[54:57] understand is that more that it's an

[54:58] enterprise fund because like if there's

[55:01] other departments in the city that we

[55:03] don't allocate.

[55:05] >> It's because it's enterprise versus

[55:07] general. Yeah. Yep. You've got it.

[55:10] >> I'm teaching you accounting. See,

[55:12] [laughter]

[55:13] >> you're all going to be accountants by

[55:14] the time you're done with me, right?

[55:18] >> Poor guys.

[55:19] So

[55:20] >> can I ask question?

[55:22] >> Yes, please do. 1041560

[55:26] and this goes along with four other line

[55:29] items in our packet for

[55:33] grant or sorry impacts fee studies.

[55:36] We've got $100,000 tied up in this

[55:39] year's budget.

[55:40] >> Correct.

[55:41] >> Impact fee studies that we haven't spent

[55:43] a month on.

[55:44] >> They're hoping they'll be spent by the

[55:47] end of the year.

[55:48] >> Not for sure.

[55:50] We're hoping, but we can't be for sure.

[55:53] Yes.

[55:54] >> So, are we still planning on using all

[55:56] that money just for impact these

[55:57] studies?

[55:59] >> I specifically asked that and they don't

[56:01] have an exact amount until the study's

[56:03] done. And he said if they need to we can

[56:09] bill it however way but he said if you

[56:11] need us to wait and bill it in July

[56:13] which probably will be more like it'll

[56:15] be for next year then we can move that

[56:18] money into July.

[56:20] >> Can I piggyback that because it's kind

[56:21] of the same line I have a question here.

[56:24] If you're able to walk us through what

[56:25] the budget will look like if everything

[56:27] that's currently delayed committed or

[56:29] unpaid were hit before the year end.

[56:31] >> And that's what I've done.

[56:32] >> Okay. um as far as I can tell.

[56:36] >> Okay. So, with these impact fee studies,

[56:40] we budgeted for them for last year

[56:42] because first off, we can't even start

[56:44] them until the council said yes, we'll

[56:46] commit the money.

[56:48] >> But, and so I've left it that way. If

[56:52] they come to us and they say, you know,

[56:56] true, we're going to have to adopt the

[56:57] tenative budget, not knowing for sure,

[57:00] but July or first end of June, we

[57:04] probably will do an amended budget if we

[57:06] have to. And those are not going to go

[57:09] through. My intentions is that and you

[57:13] can tell me differently but is to

[57:16] basically take that 100,000 that each

[57:18] one of them should have been spent in

[57:20] impact [clears throat] fees and we'll

[57:22] have to add it as an expense item for

[57:24] this year's. But basically what I'm

[57:26] thinking is we'll just take that 100,000

[57:29] take it out of this year's budget say

[57:31] we're reserving part of fund balance for

[57:34] that

[57:35] and then put it in this year. So it's

[57:38] just a way of putting it

[57:40] there in a in a

[57:43] >> rolling.

[57:44] >> Yeah. Basically rolling it so that we're

[57:47] not using if we have to postpone it,

[57:49] we're not budgeting for it twice and

[57:52] putting money back into fund balance

[57:54] that we didn't spend and then

[57:57] having to come up with that funds again.

[57:59] We're we're agreeing that yeah, we

[58:01] budgeted for it. Yeah, they didn't bill

[58:03] us in time. Okay, we're just going to go

[58:06] ahead and move that over to next year.

[58:08] It adds to fund balance. Now it takes

[58:10] away from fund balance or equity is what

[58:14] >> temporary 1560 is for transportation.

[58:18] >> The next one was 1046.

[58:27] » Okay. So the impact fee study was the

[58:29] 1044 5060.

[58:34] Yeah,

[58:38] [clears throat]

[58:41] » the park's

[58:44] all

[58:46] the impact.

[58:49] >> So, there was

[58:50] >> So, what's the general

[58:54] » help me here?

[58:55] >> That's the only ones I know parts and it

[58:58] needs an update. We're not starting from

[58:59] scratch.

[59:01] >> The parts one, the zero different

[59:04] because the state law has changed and

[59:06] then streets will be completely new.

[59:09] >> Weren't we doing a storm water one as

[59:11] well?

[59:11] >> Yes.

[59:12] >> And we've never had a storm water

[59:14] either,

[59:15] >> but I don't Let's look here.

[59:18] >> I'm trying to remind her why we budgeted

[59:21] it that way. Yeah. No,

[59:24] >> very fair question, Ryan. Very fair

[59:27] question.

[59:29] >> Yeah, storm water. We had the 100,000.

[59:33] Is there parks in the parks as well?

[59:37] >> Yeah, there is one in parks.

[59:42] [cough]

[59:43] [clears throat]

[59:43] >> What was that for then?

[59:46] >> There was something. Was it part of a

[59:49] >> is it? It's not

[59:53] working with Tim.

[59:56] >> The what? It's it's the the grant that

[59:59] we received to do some commercial

[1:00:03] standards and to do some upgrades to the

[1:00:07] general plan.

[1:00:08] >> I bet you that's what it is.

[1:00:12] We received

[1:00:15] the grant to do that. It was

[1:00:19] >> shocked if we had all that money spent

[1:00:21] by the end of this.

[1:00:23] >> Yeah.

[1:00:26] » And like I said, I I kind of agree with

[1:00:29] you, but I don't want to budget for it

[1:00:31] twice,

[1:00:32] >> you know. Do you see my thought process

[1:00:34] there, Ryan?

[1:00:36] >> Yeah. I don't want to

[1:00:37] >> just kind of rolling a little bit.

[1:00:40] >> I was just concerned that there was

[1:00:43] General

[1:00:45] >> I that's got [clears throat] to be what

[1:00:47] that general is.

[1:00:50] >> So what did we call it? So I can give it

[1:00:51] a better description. We called it

[1:00:53] something else.

[1:00:54] >> So it was the

[1:00:56] commercial. It was a Wasatch Front

[1:00:58] Regional Council

[1:01:00] >> that we received and it was commercial

[1:01:03] standards and

[1:01:06] general plan and zoning updates.

[1:01:10] >> Okay. [snorts] So maybe If I just put

[1:01:15] because I want these descriptions to

[1:01:17] make more sense to us by all means.

[1:01:20] Yeah, transportation grant. I have that

[1:01:21] in the parentheses. So maybe if I just

[1:01:23] put that it's grant money. Is that

[1:01:25] better?

[1:01:26] >> Well, no. That transportation is a

[1:01:28] transportation. That's a separate one

[1:01:30] than the one that does the commercial

[1:01:32] standards

[1:01:34] >> because there is a transportation

[1:01:38] >> and there is the parks, there is the

[1:01:40] sewer, there is the storm drain and then

[1:01:43] there is the one to do the commercial

[1:01:46] standards. So is this the commercial

[1:01:48] standards because we've got the other

[1:01:50] one

[1:01:50] >> transportation that he had already

[1:01:53] in highways.

[1:01:55] >> It's in general highways I would think

[1:01:58] would be transportation

[1:01:59] >> and is there one listed in highways?

[1:02:02] >> There is one highway.

[1:02:03] >> So I think this is that grant because

[1:02:05] I've got a note here that it's a grant.

[1:02:07] >> Okay. And that probably is I even put I

[1:02:11] don't know WFR. I don't know what you

[1:02:13] want to call it.

[1:02:14] >> Standards update.

[1:02:15] >> Yeah. standards update would be a good

[1:02:17] one.

[1:02:18] >> Okay. So, maybe call it transportation.

[1:02:20] >> It's not even necessarily a

[1:02:22] transportation because it's commercial

[1:02:25] standards and it's just standards

[1:02:28] updates. Commercial

[1:02:30] general fund updates. I mean general

[1:02:33] plan, excuse me.

[1:02:36] >> So, that being said, show that

[1:02:39] >> there shows an expense.

[1:02:41] >> Yeah. Well, and it should

[1:02:45] for this year. We've got it budgeted for

[1:02:48] the current year, which it's probably

[1:02:51] part of that grant.

[1:02:56] » Um, okay. So, the grant. Okay. So, if

[1:02:59] you go back to tab two

[1:03:03] and go to line item 10337,000,

[1:03:12] top two and then

[1:03:18] » 7,000 right there. The grants local

[1:03:19] units is 10,000. We had to pay 10,000 of

[1:03:22] the 100

[1:03:23] >> 10300,000

[1:03:26] >> matching our matching.

[1:03:28] >> So it's on page four of your 34.

[1:03:32] >> Thank you. [laughter]

[1:03:34] >> Okay. Bring local units. Yes,

[1:03:37] >> that's

[1:03:38] >> because we paid 10, they give us 90.

[1:03:41] >> So, shouldn't be more

[1:03:50] » right here.

[1:03:52] We received that yet. I don't think

[1:03:53] we've received that yet.

[1:03:54] >> The one the Utah Recreation Grant I

[1:03:58] think was part of the parks. It wasn't part of theund,000 [cough]

[1:04:04] because that was WFRC.

[1:04:08] I'll go through,

[1:04:14] » but we haven't got one yet.

[1:04:18] » We haven't spent any of it yet.

[1:04:23] » So, we probably haven't got the funds

[1:04:25] for it yet.

[1:04:27] >> They are actually

[1:04:31] » Oh, they are.

[1:04:33] That's the Blakemore money. That's a

[1:04:35] different one. You're talking from 55

[1:04:37] from

[1:04:38] >> down by

[1:04:42] coming back this way.

[1:04:44] >> So I guess my point is if we have a

[1:04:46] grant for that one

[1:04:50] should offset. Correct.

[1:04:52] >> If that's the case, we just found

[1:04:54] ourselves $100,000.

[1:04:57] >> Well, but we no longer have this 172

[1:05:00] income.

[1:05:04] It says the Utah

[1:05:06] or is that just label?

[1:05:10] >> I think that was

[1:05:13] for the park impact.

[1:05:23] » I think that was the park and he said we

[1:05:25] could use that for the parks.

[1:05:28] Well, we right here I have 120 grant 7

[1:05:33] >> 789 for parks impact for the bleachers.

[1:05:38] That was different.

[1:06:10] Um cuz yeah, if we if this was a grant

[1:06:14] money

[1:06:18] » then we wouldn't have but that doesn't

[1:06:20] give us 100,000 this year.

[1:06:23] Cuz

[1:06:26] we won't have the revenue either.

[1:06:32] » Yeah. Yeah.

[1:06:34] >> Which

[1:06:37] >> Yeah. Which we'll have to figure out

[1:06:40] if we're getting that or when we're

[1:06:41] getting it.

[1:06:43] >> Do you know if we received it or is it

[1:06:45] something we got put in after

[1:06:48] >> outdoor recreation? You have to spend it

[1:06:50] first and then they give it to you back.

[1:06:56] So, I'll I'll highlight that and put a

[1:06:59] note here that we need to follow up on

[1:07:00] that and see where the money is.

[1:07:06] » Yep.

[1:07:07] >> If we haven't got it, we need to get it

[1:07:10] if we've spent it. So,

[1:07:15] » I don't think we have spent yet for

[1:07:18] sure. Not all

[1:07:22] » Yeah. I mean it's not showing as being

[1:07:24] spent but

[1:07:25] >> we approved in city council you have to

[1:07:27] do the and then you have to do the

[1:07:30] what's it

[1:07:32] [clears throat]

[1:07:35] » analysis

[1:07:36] >> yes the plan one of them is the plan the

[1:07:39] analysis and I know we approved that in

[1:07:41] city council

[1:07:42] >> and I know they've been working on it

[1:07:44] whether we have actually

[1:07:47] >> yeah I'm not sure that

[1:07:48] >> the one we've got through Tim

[1:07:52] and are just waiting to get going. I

[1:07:54] don't think we've been building anything

[1:07:56] on that.

[1:08:00] » Yeah.

[1:08:04] » Okay.

[1:08:05] >> So, back to what Jarvis

[1:08:10] of $100,000. You said it just needs an

[1:08:12] update.

[1:08:13] >> Yeah. And if it

[1:08:15] >> shouldn't cost that much.

[1:08:16] >> Hopefully not.

[1:08:17] >> Well, I think that's what we have the

[1:08:19] grant for was the parks. Yeah, I think

[1:08:22] it was the parks when we got

[1:08:23] >> So, I think we had

[1:08:26] maybe I

[1:08:28] remember g to

[1:08:31] seems like it.

[1:08:38] We We did our best guess because we

[1:08:40] still don't know numbers. Remember when

[1:08:43] we were doing budget, we kind of said,

[1:08:44] "What's our best guess?"

[1:08:48] >> So,

[1:08:50] [laughter] We may have guessed a little

[1:08:52] high.

[1:08:52] >> Yeah. And that that's very possible.

[1:08:56] >> Yes.

[1:09:00] » Okay.

[1:09:02] Um

[1:09:04] so let's go back up to where to here.

[1:09:09] Okay.

[1:09:12] So

[1:09:13] >> you were gone.

[1:09:16] sleeping dogs.

[1:09:18] >> Yeah. He was also just calling me to

[1:09:20] tell me that if we could use like city

[1:09:24] equipment or labor move

[1:09:46] » I did find this.

[1:09:47] sewer impact was last updated 2022

[1:09:51] transportation impact her currently

[1:09:53] doesn't that's that one study park

[1:09:56] received an $80,000 grant to help with

[1:09:58] this study it was last updated in 2023

[1:10:02] storm drain Herper currently does not

[1:10:04] have a storm drain impact fee

[1:10:06] >> 2023 years old

[1:10:09] >> no parks 2003 I'm sorry

[1:10:12] >> 2003

[1:10:15] Yes,

[1:10:15] >> we got 80,000 of it as a grant.

[1:10:17] >> Heer received an $80,000 grant with this

[1:10:20] study, [cough] which we've got 80,000 as

[1:10:23] part of the grant revenue.

[1:10:25] >> So that Yeah, good thinking though. I

[1:10:29] like how you're thinking. Um, yeah, we

[1:10:32] have not spent 6,450 as donations. I

[1:10:36] believe we left that there because there

[1:10:38] was I remember talking about that there

[1:10:41] was something that the council wanted to

[1:10:42] donate to. Was it the center the Rory

[1:10:46] Aquatics

[1:10:48] >> sometimes we do it's the children

[1:10:51] justice center they have done that

[1:10:54] before we always have the YCC that comes

[1:10:56] and ask I don't know that we have

[1:10:58] necessarily though approved I mean we

[1:11:01] haven't yet for next year but they do

[1:11:04] always come and ask for specific

[1:11:06] donations

[1:11:08] >> this year

[1:11:09] >> and we don't have a budgeted for next

[1:11:11] year

[1:11:16] Don't touch

[1:11:19] [laughter]

[1:11:27] it.

[1:11:33] » I think that is part of our

[1:11:38] >> inspection infrastructure.

[1:11:44] Don't know why we've never had it in the

[1:11:46] past. Why did we add that?

[1:11:50] >> Did it have to do anything with our

[1:11:52] storm water?

[1:11:54] I don't know.

[1:11:55] >> I almost feel like

[1:11:57] >> I would think so, too.

[1:11:58] >> I think you wanted to keep But that

[1:12:00] wouldn't have been in general fund.

[1:12:05] >> It would have been in highways or

[1:12:07] streets. We wouldn't put it in general.

[1:12:12] >> If nobody knows, let's take it out. Yep.

[1:12:18] » There's your 5,000. Keep going, Ryan.

[1:12:20] [laughter]

[1:12:21] >> That's half the cost to help our

[1:12:22] employees get better.

[1:12:23] >> It is.

[1:12:24] >> Yeah.

[1:12:28] Um, and I will say as part of the

[1:12:31] budget,

[1:12:31] >> the only thing I can think of, but I

[1:12:33] thought we included it in engineering

[1:12:36] general, was sometimes we hire special

[1:12:40] engineers or something to help us on

[1:12:42] infrastructure inspection like a asphalt

[1:12:45] testing.

[1:12:46] >> That's probably what it was.

[1:12:47] >> I would have thought that being

[1:12:49] engineering, that general engineering,

[1:12:51] but

[1:12:53] >> I don't think we I think I think you're

[1:12:55] right, but

[1:12:56] >> looks like we haven't coated anything to

[1:12:58] it.

[1:12:59] >> No. So, let's

[1:13:00] >> I'd scratch it.

[1:13:01] >> Scratch it. Clean it up. Okay,

[1:13:03] >> sounds good. [cough]

[1:13:05] [clears throat]

[1:13:06] Um, any other

[1:13:09] >> So, you got training up above, planning

[1:13:12] commission training, council training,

[1:13:15] and then down on 10-41-6530,

[1:13:19] you have training again. Okay, that's

[1:13:22] for your staff training for your

[1:13:24] administration staff. So like um

[1:13:30] >> and then I know how we explained the

[1:13:32] computer replacement from that one time,

[1:13:34] but we haven't we're budgeting three

[1:13:36] grand. We got a few months left in this

[1:13:38] fiscal year. Are we anticipating that

[1:13:40] we're going to replace computers yet?

[1:13:44] >> No, I think everybody's pretty well up

[1:13:46] to date.

[1:13:48] >> Maybe we don't.

[1:13:48] >> I think Monica's computer is the last

[1:13:50] one.

[1:13:51] But our IT guy saying that her computer

[1:13:54] is still qualifying with what is being

[1:13:58] used. I don't know the whole

[1:14:00] terminology, but her computer is the

[1:14:02] last one to update, but hers is still

[1:14:04] fine.

[1:14:06] >> I'm just wondering.

[1:14:09] I mean, I know that's only like two

[1:14:10] computers, but

[1:14:12] do we need that money sitting out that

[1:14:16] we just replaced them all a year ago

[1:14:17] with that 14 grand?

[1:14:22] You're talking

[1:14:28] » 41 50 85.

[1:14:30] >> Oh, right there. Okay. Yeah, we could

[1:14:33] decrease that.

[1:14:35] You want to decrease that?

[1:14:37] >> I mean, I think

[1:14:39] >> we're not using it. That's my thought.

[1:14:40] What do you guys think?

[1:14:47] » [clears throat]

[1:14:52] » Sounds good.

[1:14:55] >> How about the memberships? We've used

[1:14:57] twice as well, not twice as much, but

[1:15:01] almost double what

[1:15:07] » are those water memberships? Is that

[1:15:08] like

[1:15:10] >> we pay them? I don't know what else.

[1:15:16] that League of Cities thing. I mean that

[1:15:17] also gets us access to that city manager

[1:15:20] thing that we

[1:15:22] >> have used a lot, right?

[1:15:23] >> We have used a lot.

[1:15:25] >> We signed Malcolm up for a planner one

[1:15:29] planner association.

[1:15:36] So, we need to up

[1:15:46] » anybody have a problem with me doing

[1:15:47] that 15 then.

[1:15:50] >> What was it at?

[1:15:51] >> It was at 75.

[1:15:52] >> Yeah. So, essentially

[1:16:00] » 167 this year.

[1:16:01] >> There goes all the money.

[1:16:03] >> Yeah.

[1:16:05] >> Sorry.

[1:16:06] Um though

[1:16:09] membership we only gave him 500

[1:16:29] » somewhere because we have the rate we

[1:16:31] have the contract that we've signed.

[1:16:33] We're not sure where that

[1:16:36] where we pay that at because they say we

[1:16:38] are paying. They didn't say you're

[1:16:40] delinquent on your bill.

[1:16:42] asking.

[1:16:43] >> It's probably

[1:16:46] [laughter]

[1:16:51] from Wever County.

[1:16:52] >> So, we don't need to pay.

[1:16:58] » Yeah.

[1:17:01] [snorts] We have to have that money in

[1:17:02] there.

[1:17:04] >> We're paying it. We're just not sure.

[1:17:11] I'm just questions on the code

[1:17:14] enforcement and I know the guy comes out

[1:17:16] once in a while looks at stuff but they

[1:17:18] don't actually enforce it that we have

[1:17:21] to enforce it as a city and I don't know

[1:17:24] that we've ever in either of you two's

[1:17:26] memory actually pursued it and enforced

[1:17:28] it. Have we ever turned the dogs loose

[1:17:31] and said, you know, Patch's got to clean

[1:17:33] up your yard or

[1:17:35] >> the bus has got to be gone off of 5100

[1:17:37] over here or something like that?

[1:17:38] >> That's up to us and we need to and I

[1:17:41] actually have scheduled a time for

[1:17:44] Miss Allen to come out, but it would

[1:17:47] need to be earlier. It was on a Thursday

[1:17:49] earlier. What time? Because he's off

[1:17:51] work. Because I will tell you straight

[1:17:53] up, if we're just going to be a phone

[1:17:55] call and have somebody go look at it and

[1:17:57] say, "Well, that needs to be fixed." And

[1:17:59] we're not going to do anything about it.

[1:18:00] I'll happily go do that for free. You

[1:18:01] can call me and I'll say, "Yep, your gas

[1:18:03] is too dull, Kevin." And if we're not

[1:18:05] going to do anything about it, we can

[1:18:07] save $7,000 a year.

[1:18:08] >> I'll tell you an example today of a

[1:18:10] woman that came in. I'm not disclosed

[1:18:18] and it was very effective.

[1:18:21] deal with these people. He is out

[1:18:23] working with them. But you're exactly

[1:18:25] right. We need to then we need to do

[1:18:27] something. [clears throat] So he said we

[1:18:29] can send them the letter and say here's

[1:18:31] your first time. Here's and when we go

[1:18:33] through our fee schedule it's last year

[1:18:35] we said we wanted to raise our fee

[1:18:37] schedule. So it was so much every day.

[1:18:39] But then we have to be willing to send

[1:18:41] them to bill and collect it. And if we

[1:18:43] don't collect it then we need to be

[1:18:45] willing to take them to court and then

[1:18:47] put a lean on their property or

[1:18:50] That's kind of my point.

[1:18:55] [laughter]

[1:19:00] » And we need to we want to be nice and

[1:19:03] this woman today is a widow and needs

[1:19:06] help. I understand that. So, we'll go

[1:19:09] work with her. There needs to be,

[1:19:11] >> you know, I'm just My point is that

[1:19:12] we're not, you know, there's no sense

[1:19:14] teaching a dog to bite if we're not

[1:19:16] turning loose.

[1:19:18] >> And you can you like go through the

[1:19:20] proper means and you'd have to get with

[1:19:22] the attorney to see exactly how to do

[1:19:24] it. But you can hire like somebody to go

[1:19:27] mow weeds or whatever and then go back

[1:19:30] to the property and they'll sign up

[1:19:31] their property taxes.

[1:19:32] >> Yeah.

[1:19:33] >> Yada yada yada lean on the property down

[1:19:36] the road.

[1:19:37] >> I just don't know that we're going to

[1:19:38] pursue this kind of stuff.

[1:19:40] >> But we need to and this one we talked

[1:19:42] today there's a six months and then if

[1:19:44] things aren't done then it's called

[1:19:46] abatement. Then we the city pays for

[1:19:49] that and it goes under taxes.

[1:19:51] >> Okay. If we're going to do it, great.

[1:19:53] But I don't think we have done that.

[1:19:55] >> We have not and and we need to

[1:20:01] » Okay. So, we want to leave that then for

[1:20:03] >> another year.

[1:20:08] » Yeah. Um,

[1:20:10] anything with

[1:20:13] that?

[1:20:20] » What is the search?

[1:20:21] >> So, that was the 20 to the 39. That's

[1:20:24] sitting.

[1:20:25] >> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

[1:20:26] >> Well, that's part of the 39.

[1:20:30] >> Part of the 39.

[1:20:31] >> Okay.

[1:20:32] >> Giving them the authorization to spend

[1:20:33] that 20 of that.

[1:20:43] Okay,

[1:20:46] >> any questions?

[1:20:56] » Oh, yeah. I moved it to the 20 because

[1:20:59] whatever we budget for the income, we

[1:21:01] need to budget the same for the expense.

[1:21:03] >> You say that will go back to 20.

[1:21:06] Yeah, we changed it back to 20,

[1:21:10] but I also changed the income number.

[1:21:21] [clears throat]

[1:21:22] And I did make sure that the tomato days

[1:21:25] tied out to the revenue from tomato

[1:21:27] days. So that does tie. I had 100,000 in

[1:21:31] there because that's just what we had.

[1:21:32] But that gave us 8,000 more. I found

[1:21:36] some

[1:21:37] >> 8,000. [laughter]

[1:21:40] » We can spend it though, I'm sure.

[1:21:44] >> Did we decide to budget in a way to give

[1:21:47] a substantial commitment to our

[1:21:50] employees? We had talked about

[1:21:51] >> Yes. Um I'll just real quick throw that

[1:21:54] out there as the summary. Um we had

[1:21:58] talked

[1:22:00] that

[1:22:01] from what I understood, we wanted to try

[1:22:03] and go this scenario.

[1:22:06] >> Um, and again, if there's a better way

[1:22:08] you guys want to do this, that's fine. I

[1:22:10] did calculate on average that gave each

[1:22:12] employee a$186 raise on average.

[1:22:18] Yeah, I just

[1:22:25] » Morgan and I have gone through and kind

[1:22:26] of looked at each employee

[1:22:30] because there's some employees do more

[1:22:33] than one job that you know specifically

[1:22:35] if we wanted to combine but after we

[1:22:39] realized how much we're going to

[1:22:40] increase with the sheriffs we thought we

[1:22:43] don't know that we want to throw out a

[1:22:45] huge

[1:22:46] increase and also say we need additional

[1:22:49] money.

[1:22:53] » I just want to record since it's

[1:22:54] recorded saying I hate that and it's not

[1:22:56] like against what you're saying. I'm

[1:22:58] just saying the fact that we are

[1:23:00] increasing

[1:23:02] towards paying the sheriff when we won't

[1:23:04] see we'll see the headcount like a point

[1:23:06] something percentage value to our

[1:23:09] citizens when our employees serve our

[1:23:11] citizens every day and they give a much

[1:23:14] more substantial impact to their

[1:23:15] dayto-day and what they do for us here

[1:23:17] and as we've talked about training them

[1:23:20] up and sending them to another city

[1:23:21] because we can't invest in them here. If

[1:23:23] we are offsetting what we can do for

[1:23:25] them because we have to to another

[1:23:28] department outside of our city who is

[1:23:30] not giving us the value kind of category

[1:23:33] object to that. I mean doesn't mean we

[1:23:35] have to do something about it. I just

[1:23:36] want to say

[1:23:37] >> out loud that I think that we should

[1:23:39] invest first and foremost in our people

[1:23:40] >> and we need to work on that.

[1:23:42] >> We got to find a way to make

[1:23:45] >> I don't feel like I could ever feel like

[1:23:47] I can look our employees in the face and

[1:23:48] say,

[1:23:49] >> "Hey, you do so much for our people, but

[1:23:52] this other department, they're just

[1:23:53] asking for more, so you need to do more

[1:23:55] of less."

[1:23:56] >> You know, I agree.

[1:23:58] >> Yeah, because we went through and I was

[1:24:00] really hoping we could even do more and

[1:24:02] you know not because Morgan is sitting

[1:24:04] here but we have Morgan that's not only

[1:24:07] a city recorder she's doing a lot of the

[1:24:09] administrative and we have Malcolm

[1:24:11] that's not only our you know planner

[1:24:13] he's also doing a lot of community and

[1:24:16] we have some employees that are

[1:24:17] significantly underpaid.

[1:24:21] On the same token, a lot of times within

[1:24:24] a budget, and this is just experience

[1:24:27] within budgets, you do not give

[1:24:29] employees increases unless you have new

[1:24:32] sources of revenue.

[1:24:34] >> The fact that we're trying to do more

[1:24:37] for the employees with same revenue says

[1:24:41] a lot for this council putting that

[1:24:44] first.

[1:24:45] >> Sure.

[1:24:45] >> And I think that, you know, should we

[1:24:47] talk about

[1:24:49] We have equipment, you know, we have

[1:24:51] supplies, blah blah blah, but our

[1:24:53] employees are the most important thing.

[1:24:55] >> Exactly.

[1:24:56] >> We have our tractor for the year. Big

[1:24:58] deal. So, we, you know, take care of our

[1:25:00] people.

[1:25:00] >> Well, it's an unrealized cost. It's just

[1:25:02] a reality of running a business. If you

[1:25:03] don't take care of your people and they

[1:25:05] leave, go somewhere else, we're going to

[1:25:06] have to pay for train all that knowledge

[1:25:08] we're going to lose.

[1:25:10] >> Yeah.

[1:25:12] >> Okay.

[1:25:12] So, yes, this budget is building

[1:25:16] with that.

[1:25:16] >> Yeah. We need more revenue.

[1:25:17] >> More revenue.

[1:25:23] Okay. Any other questions on general? I

[1:25:26] know we've kind of jumped around within

[1:25:28] that. So, I'm not going to go too deep

[1:25:31] with everything unless you want me to go

[1:25:34] section by section.

[1:25:36] >> Yeah, that's sec your tab number three.

[1:25:42] >> What page is that?

[1:25:43] >> Um, on this one,

[1:25:46] >> where are we at now? Page eight,

[1:25:49] >> eight,

[1:25:49] >> nine, around that range.

[1:25:53] >> Actually 10 if it's 10:45.

[1:25:55] >> Yeah,

[1:25:56] >> we have 10. Sorry. [laughter]

[1:25:59] >> 11.

[1:26:01] >> Page 11.

[1:26:04] [cough]

[1:26:07] » I have a question.

[1:26:10] >> Okay. Give me an account number because

[1:26:11] mine Sorry, I don't know.

[1:26:13] >> 41 66 10.

[1:26:15] >> Okay. 41 6610 utilities. Okay.

[1:26:23] So

[1:26:26] » current year 100,500

[1:26:43] >> I think we did.

[1:26:47] I'll double check my math on all that.

[1:26:49] Yeah,

[1:26:54] » and I know last year we talked about

[1:26:55] making sure that the employees are

[1:26:57] allocated to what department

[1:26:59] >> because if not we can't accurately see

[1:27:02] >> is the garbage garbage, you know,

[1:27:06] >> because it was kind of we need to be

[1:27:07] able to see a cemetery paying for

[1:27:09] itself. Well, if not, then what do we do

[1:27:12] >> to take care of a cemetery? Yeah.

[1:27:14] >> Which

[1:27:16] Jared and I went through all his guys.

[1:27:18] We went through all the staff and you

[1:27:21] know the intention is every year to kind

[1:27:23] of go through and you know they're the

[1:27:25] ones that would know best without having

[1:27:27] the guys record every 15 minutes of

[1:27:29] their time on what they're actually

[1:27:32] working on. So

[1:27:34] >> okay, next one.

[1:27:47] » Where are you at?

[1:27:48] >> 1044. What?

[1:27:50] >> 1044.

[1:27:55] » Um because that got moved. We moved that

[1:27:58] up to be part of the public safety. So

[1:28:01] if you go to 10426545

[1:28:05] that is now moved up there with the

[1:28:07] public safety because we felt like

[1:28:09] crossing guards belong more public

[1:28:11] safety.

[1:28:13] >> So So we moved it then

[1:28:16] >> it was just history. We're just keeping

[1:28:18] history there. There's nothing budgeted

[1:28:21] for this year.

[1:28:23] So we spent

[1:28:26] 23,000 there,000

[1:28:44] » we did gain a new one last year

[1:28:47] >> with the new elementary school.

[1:28:50] So we for three areas. We have

[1:28:55] [clears throat] 4700,

[1:28:57] we have the one on 5,500, and we have

[1:29:01] 5100.

[1:29:03] >> I'm guessing that we've only been build

[1:29:05] for part of it, and we're waiting for

[1:29:07] the bill. So, really, my current year

[1:29:08] estimates probably wrong

[1:29:10] >> is what I'm thinking.

[1:29:11] >> Sometimes we don't get

[1:29:13] >> last year, we spent 459 and we're adding

[1:29:17] one more this year.

[1:29:18] >> No, no, it's the same amount.

[1:29:26] Yeah. So, I just changed that current

[1:29:27] year then.

[1:29:29] >> I think we probably not got all the bill

[1:29:32] for that.

[1:29:34] >> We might not get till the end of the

[1:29:36] year.

[1:29:38] >> So, it'll come out of the fiscal year.

[1:29:40] So, it'll be like half of the year next

[1:29:42] year.

[1:29:42] >> Um,

[1:29:44] >> well, it'll all go last year

[1:29:46] >> and then this year.

[1:29:48] >> We need to budget.

[1:29:48] >> 20 second timeout. on that school

[1:29:51] crossing card.

[1:29:52] >> Yes.

[1:29:54] >> Okay.

[1:29:56] >> Yeah.

[1:29:58] But I anticipate that they'll bill

[1:30:00] us like again right at the end of the

[1:30:04] school year, which would be

[1:30:08] >> a quarter

[1:30:09] >> quarterly.

[1:30:11] Then if we should have had three

[1:30:13] quarters build to us already.

[1:30:14] >> Yeah. I'm guessing we've only had two.

[1:30:17] >> I think the last might statute

[1:30:20] limitations by house.

[1:30:22] [laughter]

[1:30:23] >> I wish

[1:30:25] >> we have things like

[1:30:28] >> some stuff. Yeah.

[1:30:30] >> Yeah. Some things are filled, you know,

[1:30:33] just sporadically different times

[1:30:35] >> and if they're for the previous like

[1:30:37] even if we get the bill in July but it's

[1:30:40] for the previous year, we still move it

[1:30:42] back to that year. Um, it depends on the

[1:30:46] date on the invoice though that we have

[1:30:49] to watch that. So,

[1:30:51] >> just curious.

[1:30:51] >> We do approve back.

[1:30:52] >> Yeah. You know, the quick math just

[1:30:55] >> Yep. And and it gets confusing when

[1:30:57] you're doing these. Trust me. [laughter]

[1:31:00] >> I usually have the general ledger open

[1:31:02] going down.

[1:31:04] >> We have this up here. We don't know if

[1:31:06] there's going to be an increase.

[1:31:10] >> There usually could be for our crossing

[1:31:13] guards, you know. they could get that

[1:31:14] and the same with the animal shelter. So

[1:31:16] that's

[1:31:17] >> nobody's given us anything.

[1:31:18] >> Yeah, we don't know yet.

[1:31:19] >> We're guessing 5%. Hoping

[1:31:23] >> keep

[1:31:25] [clears throat]

[1:31:26] >> if animal control goes up that then

[1:31:28] Larry's gonna cover or not Larry. Yeah,

[1:31:31] Ray's going to cover the rest.

[1:31:34] [laughter]

[1:31:34] >> I might as well.

[1:31:36] >> You might as well, dude.

[1:31:38] >> No, she means financial. Oh,

[1:31:40] >> no. No, I mean in his time. He's just

[1:31:42] going to go do it.

[1:31:44] >> I [laughter] can actually do that. I

[1:31:45] only have to keep one uncounted for cow

[1:31:46] and they cover us for the whole year.

[1:31:48] >> Yeah. At the price of cows right now.

[1:31:51] [laughter]

[1:31:53] >> She had a friend today by the way. Oh,

[1:31:54] okay.

[1:31:55] >> You know, while we're there though, some

[1:31:56] of these services though, we really

[1:31:58] maybe could look at sometime doing. I

[1:32:00] mean, we when we get to garbage, you

[1:32:02] know, because we've talked about that. I

[1:32:04] mean, maybe that really is like having a

[1:32:06] dump or a green waste. You know, talked

[1:32:08] about that. But even like this, maybe

[1:32:10] there are

[1:32:11] services we could

[1:32:14] >> I'm definitely looking into that. Trust

[1:32:15] me.

[1:32:16] >> Yeah, maybe we could do like Oakley and

[1:32:18] create our own sewage treatment plan.

[1:32:20] They did it cost 2 million.

[1:32:22] >> 2 million

[1:32:24] >> 20 years ago.

[1:32:25] >> That was 20 years ago [laughter]

[1:32:29] now.

[1:32:34] » And then we got 247 coverage.

[1:32:39] » Mountain Green just redo there.

[1:32:42] >> Not paying anybody to manage to turn in

[1:32:44] their own secondary water.

[1:32:49] » Okay. Where we at?

[1:32:50] >> Okay. Back on track. [laughter]

[1:32:54] Uh recreation community events.

[1:32:58] >> So, let's see where I'm page.

[1:33:01] >> Oh.

[1:33:03] >> Um

[1:33:07] page eight.

[1:33:08] >> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry guys. [laughter]

[1:33:12] I'm going off the computer. So it drives

[1:33:14] me.

[1:33:18] Um so we've got 132500.

[1:33:22] Um

[1:33:25] that's a reduction from last year but we

[1:33:27] didn't also have that grant. Um I am

[1:33:31] keeping track with tomato days if we

[1:33:34] have excess that people like donated.

[1:33:37] Say we make like instead of 92 in

[1:33:40] revenue, we make a 100,000. We'll keep

[1:33:43] track and we'll say, "Okay, now we've

[1:33:45] got 8,000 sitting there that we didn't

[1:33:48] spend this year, but we can maybe spend

[1:33:51] that the following year." So, I'm going

[1:33:52] to start keeping track of that. So, that

[1:33:55] hopefully the idea is tomato days, it's

[1:33:58] it is paying for itself, but also for

[1:34:00] like your donation people that are

[1:34:03] donating, you know, they they're

[1:34:05] donating for tomato days. They're not

[1:34:07] donating for

[1:34:09] road.

[1:34:10] >> Yeah. Some other thing. So, the thought

[1:34:12] process being keeping that in the right

[1:34:15] place where it should be and I've got

[1:34:17] several years back that I've just

[1:34:19] already got the accounting for. So, I'm

[1:34:21] going to true that up and create an

[1:34:24] individual talking to that figures they

[1:34:26] can probably get a substantial amount of

[1:34:29] donations towards tomato for us.

[1:34:32] >> Hasn't been realized yet, but we're

[1:34:34] looking at it.

[1:34:35] >> Okay.

[1:34:39] » [laughter]

[1:34:42] » Okay.

[1:34:44] >> Um, highways, we did try to um keep that

[1:34:50] pretty much where we were at. There's

[1:34:52] not that impact fee study expense there.

[1:34:57] Um, and then classy roads. Let's talk

[1:35:00] about that for a second because there's

[1:35:03] some stuff with that. Um, I was trying

[1:35:05] to keep the guys at about the same

[1:35:07] amount as what they had in the past

[1:35:10] year. Um, in the past we have had

[1:35:15] funds that are classy roads money that

[1:35:17] have not been spent and we spent some of

[1:35:20] those, but the reality is is that we

[1:35:23] need about 1.5 1.6ish sixish to even

[1:35:28] maintain with the road projects that

[1:35:30] we're at, which I think any of us would

[1:35:33] agree we at least need to do what we did

[1:35:35] last year again this year hopefully. Um,

[1:35:39] if you disagree, by all means, please

[1:35:41] tell me that to change a number. But as

[1:35:44] I look at that, we're only getting about

[1:35:47] 600

[1:35:49] of that in class C roads every year. So

[1:35:53] that means that the general fund is

[1:35:55] going to have to, you know, in order to

[1:35:57] maintain those road projects, we're

[1:36:00] going to have to pitch in about a

[1:36:02] million worth of that.

[1:36:04] >> But you said we have 1.5 in the fun

[1:36:07] balance.

[1:36:09] >> Um, yeah. And I I would propose that we

[1:36:12] spend some of that, [clears throat]

[1:36:14] but we don't want to spend it all at

[1:36:16] once. We want to keep, you know, just

[1:36:19] chomping away at it a little bit at a

[1:36:21] time. How much?

[1:36:24] >> Well, if you wanted to, we could spend

[1:36:26] the whole thing and count all of it as

[1:36:28] there and then we'll just have to use

[1:36:30] general fund funds here on out

[1:36:34] recommendation.

[1:36:35] >> I wouldn't chump all the all of it out.

[1:36:38] >> Would you chunk? I would maybe say

[1:36:44] at the most 600

[1:36:49] » and that's what I've built in

[1:36:52] is for us to spend about

[1:36:54] >> hopefully we can get that transportation

[1:36:56] impact start generating some income to

[1:37:00] offset and get through till then there

[1:37:03] are a few of those list that would be

[1:37:06] catastrophic things that could cost us a

[1:37:08] million bucks to

[1:37:10] I would hate to spend this down

[1:37:12] >> too far. Too far.

[1:37:15] >> So, what do you do on small things like

[1:37:18] >> snow removal where we didn't use it? Um,

[1:37:20] did we, you know, stockpile salt? Did

[1:37:23] we, you know, are we going to need it

[1:37:24] next year?

[1:37:25] >> Basically goes back into fund balance or

[1:37:28] your equity. Fund balance is our fancy

[1:37:30] word in government accounting for

[1:37:32] equity.

[1:37:32] >> And I know it's a smaller amount, but

[1:37:34] like potholes, like we've only used

[1:37:35] 2500, but we budgeted. We're estimating

[1:37:38] 16.

[1:37:39] >> Is there like a project in place you

[1:37:41] think we're going to use that?

[1:37:42] >> The idea is that yes, we may categorize

[1:37:45] [clears throat]

[1:37:46] these out into different line items,

[1:37:49] >> but our guys know best what they need to

[1:37:51] do and what's best to spend money on.

[1:37:53] And so they may say, "Okay, you've

[1:37:56] budgeted me 2065 here, but I can finish

[1:38:00] x amount more road with an overlay and

[1:38:04] spend that money better on an overlay

[1:38:06] than a crack seal." Well, you know what?

[1:38:08] As long as down here they don't go over,

[1:38:11] they they can rob Peter to pay Paul.

[1:38:14] >> Is that also partially seasonal? Because

[1:38:16] right now it's just getting warm enough

[1:38:17] to even do some of that. And so it's

[1:38:19] like towards the end of the budget, the

[1:38:20] fiscal year, but it's also the And so

[1:38:23] we'll probably start some of those

[1:38:24] projects.

[1:38:25] >> Yeah, exactly. And that's

[1:38:27] >> two reasons on the potholes.

[1:38:29] [clears throat]

[1:38:30] The rugs that were bad that would have

[1:38:31] generated a lot of pothole expense got

[1:38:34] maintenance last year and so we didn't

[1:38:36] have them and the winter was so mild.

[1:38:39] Freeze thaw is our biggest enemy that

[1:38:41] causes potholes and we had a really mild

[1:38:44] winter.

[1:38:46] And you can't really let asphalt be

[1:38:48] fillless,

[1:38:51] right?

[1:38:56] » So I mean I and it's your budget. It's

[1:38:59] not me, but I kind of feel like you know

[1:39:03] what they did with the money that they

[1:39:05] had last year was an eye openener for

[1:39:09] everybody to say, "Oh, we got that much

[1:39:12] done with that much money. Our guys did

[1:39:14] the best they could as far as spending

[1:39:17] it, but it's going to take that much for

[1:39:19] many years to even get us into a good

[1:39:21] spot.

[1:39:22] >> Do you see why? [clears throat]

[1:39:25] >> And every time a developer builds a new

[1:39:27] place and then they, you know, give that

[1:39:29] money or that road to the city, well,

[1:39:31] guess what? Now we get to maintain it.

[1:39:33] And it unfortunately

[1:39:36] it doesn't qualify for impact fees at

[1:39:38] that point. So, you know,

[1:39:41] >> Yeah. I should say new subdivision.

[1:39:46] Do you drive up there? I I drive it at

[1:39:49] least twice a week. There's cracks that

[1:39:51] whole way from the time I turn off

[1:39:53] Freedom Elementary. Go up through there

[1:39:56] to my son's house. It's horrible roads.

[1:40:00] You know that

[1:40:05] » freedom that was one of the first ones

[1:40:07] probably

[1:40:14] » I mean hopefully maintenance you know we

[1:40:16] keep them where they need a total

[1:40:18] rebuild

[1:40:22] [clears throat]

[1:40:25] » and we've got we hired a employee that

[1:40:29] is excellent roads and knows what he's

[1:40:32] doing with roads as well as Jared. And

[1:40:34] between the two of them, they're a mean

[1:40:36] team. [laughter]

[1:40:38] >> If you feel like that stretches you, I

[1:40:41] wouldn't want to go down to nothing. But

[1:40:44] we could trim that a little bit and not

[1:40:46] do as big a project. Just any

[1:40:49] maintenance we do is dollars spent that

[1:40:52] are going to save us in the next 5 to 10

[1:40:55] years because we're maintaining the

[1:40:57] asphalt soon. So, the

[1:41:00] in the future.

[1:41:01] >> So, what are you anticipating doing in

[1:41:04] the next little couple months?

[1:41:06] >> In the next couple of months, we're

[1:41:08] actually just soon as I get some time,

[1:41:10] we've been super busy. I'm going to

[1:41:11] re-evaluate everything. We've got some

[1:41:14] money left from last year that we'll

[1:41:17] spend in track, seal, and slurry. And

[1:41:20] then in July, you know, this next money,

[1:41:23] we'll do another full project like we

[1:41:25] did last year. So, so you're saying it'd

[1:41:28] be great to have all this to do it, but

[1:41:31] if we absolutely get to the end of this

[1:41:33] budget today or whatever and we need a

[1:41:35] whole bunch more money here, we're able

[1:41:38] to take a little

[1:41:40] >> some of this money,

[1:41:44] » but we wouldn't be taking

[1:41:47] it

[1:41:49] from

[1:41:50] >> We could still do a substantial project

[1:41:52] and not do 1.5 million if we did a

[1:41:56] million, we'd still be able to do enough

[1:41:59] work that the city sees we're working on

[1:42:02] problem

[1:42:05] here.

[1:42:06] >> Yeah.

[1:42:07] >> Okay. Well, thank you.

[1:42:09] >> And I mean, keep in mind though that,

[1:42:11] you know, if you're thinking trimming

[1:42:14] someplace to

[1:42:17] pay for like the police service, it's

[1:42:20] going up again next year and you're

[1:42:22] going to have to keep that trimming.

[1:42:24] >> So, is it better to bite off and this is

[1:42:26] your decision. Is it better to bite off

[1:42:28] the bullet and do the truth in taxation

[1:42:31] when you incur the expense or do you

[1:42:34] want to cut some of those other services

[1:42:36] and they will continue to be cut years

[1:42:39] forward?

[1:42:40] I'm thinking in taxation this year,

[1:42:44] >> but if it's a matter of uh and we

[1:42:47] already brought this up, taking some of

[1:42:50] the general fund to pay our employees,

[1:42:52] if that's what we have to do, I would

[1:42:54] rather do that. But yeah, as far as I

[1:42:58] realize we're going to have to do a

[1:43:00] truth in taxation,

[1:43:03] one thing on the road, and it really is

[1:43:05] you spend it now, you spend it later.

[1:43:08] Trimming that kicks the camp down the

[1:43:10] road. Um, for sure. I mean, the roads

[1:43:13] aren't going to get better just because

[1:43:14] we don't spend it. Um, hopefully if we

[1:43:18] get that impact fee study coming and get

[1:43:21] some more income for the roads, then we

[1:43:23] won't have to subsidize it with general

[1:43:25] fund money and can move forward at the

[1:43:28] pace we are.

[1:43:29] >> But keep in mind though also impact fees

[1:43:32] have to increase capacity to be spent.

[1:43:35] It's not just repairs and maintenance.

[1:43:37] it's increased capacity.

[1:43:39] >> Okay?

[1:43:40] >> So, keep that in mind that you know you

[1:43:42] have to be careful what you spend those

[1:43:44] impact fees. Just because we get more

[1:43:46] impact fees doesn't mean we just get to

[1:43:48] spend it willy-nilly. We have to

[1:43:50] increase capacity. But does that mean

[1:43:52] that we are spending less of the general

[1:43:54] fund money to increase capacity? Yes.

[1:43:57] So, does that kind of make sense? The

[1:44:00] circle

[1:44:01] >> thought process. Okay.

[1:44:02] >> You just keep the circle going and

[1:44:05] legal. [laughter]

[1:44:06] I'm not legal. I'm accountable. This is

[1:44:08] going to sound like we're patting

[1:44:10] ourselves on the back and we are a

[1:44:11] little bit. But I I just want you to

[1:44:13] understand like last year our asphalt

[1:44:16] maintenance contract went out at $1.1

[1:44:19] million. The $300,000 we still have left

[1:44:23] to spend is because of good management

[1:44:25] and managing that contractor and keeping

[1:44:28] our cost within the contract lower.

[1:44:32] So it does help to have the people that

[1:44:34] know what they're doing managing those

[1:44:36] big projects and then we can stretch our

[1:44:38] dollars further.

[1:44:39] >> So

[1:44:42] and if we would have just said here you

[1:44:44] go contractor you were a little bit go

[1:44:46] do it. We'd have paid 1.1 million. So

[1:44:54] » I'll bring the donuts.

[1:44:56] [laughter]

[1:44:56] >> Well that that you know that's a good

[1:44:59] thing. That's why we have good people

[1:45:01] and want to pay them well is that we can

[1:45:05] use our expertise to save money like

[1:45:07] that.

[1:45:11] » Okay.

[1:45:14] » So that's highways. We've talked about

[1:45:17] parks. Anything in parks?

[1:45:25] » Arena.

[1:45:29] You just keep digging up that $100,000.

[1:45:31] [laughter]

[1:45:33] So

[1:45:35] parts and I talked to Jared about this

[1:45:39] with this drought.

[1:45:41] Jared I heard conflicting reports.

[1:45:45] Somebody's said that we won't use any

[1:45:48] fertilizer. Then I know you told me

[1:45:50] probably half of it.

[1:45:51] >> Yeah. There there's a the debate is you

[1:45:54] don't want to put the fertilizer unless

[1:45:55] it takes more water. So somewhere in the

[1:45:58] middle of n a full dose is keeping it

[1:46:01] healthy enough that it can take the

[1:46:03] drought. And so we've talked about some

[1:46:05] different but we definitely won't put on

[1:46:07] a full dose of fertilizer.

[1:46:12] So we change that number then half

[1:46:25] » we have the parks and then the cemetery.

[1:46:27] Yeah

[1:46:38] » 300

[1:46:41] So when we cut both of those in

[1:46:45] the price

[1:46:50] we cut that in half

[1:47:05] [laughter]

[1:47:08] from Idaho don't

[1:47:11] I got cows that mow the grass and

[1:47:13] fertilize at the same time just

[1:47:15] talking about the fertilizer under parts

[1:47:18] and under cemeteries.

[1:47:30] » So maybe go down to 1,800. Does that

[1:47:34] sound about right? or the other maybe

[1:47:38] 2200

[1:47:40] >> on the 4,000

[1:47:43] cemetery maybe 1700 or something that

[1:47:46] actually makes sense

[1:47:54] on

[1:47:58] » what is a pickle ball sprinkler

[1:48:00] >> about 750

[1:48:07] Are we still

[1:48:09] maybe looking instead of grass?

[1:48:13] >> We haven't priced anything.

[1:48:15] >> You want me to?

[1:48:17] >> I'm just curious.

[1:48:18] >> How many square feet we need, but we'll

[1:48:19] find out.

[1:48:20] >> We We looked at some pretty extensively

[1:48:22] on a sewer station on the one that we're

[1:48:25] thinking about for Smiths and cost was

[1:48:29] about six is by the time you turn in

[1:48:30] water, pay the water bill, just

[1:48:33] longevity of it. They told us plan on

[1:48:35] replacing in about 10 years. Maybe

[1:48:39] >> maybe they've got better

[1:48:40] >> because I guarantee the school district

[1:48:42] is not putting in all these fields for

[1:48:44] soccer and football and everything else

[1:48:46] and finding a replacement in 10 years.

[1:48:48] They're they're more durable. And how

[1:48:50] many people are going to be walking on

[1:48:52] the grass by the pickle ball courts? You

[1:48:54] know what I'm saying? Now, the

[1:48:55] elementary school up the top 4,800,

[1:48:57] theirs gets beat up because there 4,000

[1:48:59] kids out there running around every day

[1:49:01] on the artificial turf. It's kind of

[1:49:04] like the soccer fields indoor. They get

[1:49:06] pounded, but they got people playing on

[1:49:09] 18 hours a day. Ain't going to be nobody

[1:49:11] walking hardly on grass court. So, I

[1:49:15] would bet you if we get any kind of

[1:49:16] durable grass that it'll last 20 years

[1:49:18] unless it breaks down from sunshine. I

[1:49:21] will find out. I will find out.

[1:49:24] That would be good to know because we

[1:49:26] want to have it so people can use it. We

[1:49:28] don't want it to be,

[1:49:30] >> you know, please don't walk on this

[1:49:32] because you're going to wear it out.

[1:49:34] >> Yeah. I guess the other thing we want to

[1:49:36] look at or I would suggest looking at is

[1:49:39] the long-term plan

[1:49:41] >> of what we want around there. If we put

[1:49:43] something there and then in say we get

[1:49:45] one last 20 years, but in five years we

[1:49:47] say, "Okay, it's time to build the other

[1:49:49] brick wall courts and go tear it out."

[1:49:52] We wasted money. Well, but with

[1:49:54] artificial turf, if you tear it out, you

[1:49:55] can put it somewhere else.

[1:49:58] >> I think

[1:49:59] >> it wouldn't hurt to look into

[1:50:03] >> the next question is local option

[1:50:06] 10,000.

[1:50:10] » We we need to do some of that. There's

[1:50:12] some of those got some big tracks. I

[1:50:14] think we'll have those in our spring.

[1:50:19] » I know there are some that need it

[1:50:20] pretty bad. Do you think you'll burn 10

[1:50:22] grand?

[1:50:24] >> Okay.

[1:50:26] Keep the motorcycles off.

[1:50:28] >> So, I know we went down some with the

[1:50:31] park. [cough and clears throat]

[1:50:32] Do you think those parties are going to

[1:50:34] be enough?

[1:50:38] » We've kind of got caught up on cleaning

[1:50:40] everything up.

[1:50:42] >> So, that stuff over there to haul, but

[1:50:44] you know, you've now got separated out

[1:50:46] into piles.

[1:50:47] >> Yeah. It don't take much cuz when we

[1:50:49] start hauling like 10 wheeler lo the

[1:50:51] moldings I mean you're $300 to $500 a

[1:50:54] load. So

[1:50:55] >> So what is it? Is it rubbish or is it

[1:50:59] okay? It's not grass and dirt.

[1:51:03] I got enough people that want

[1:51:08] » to put

[1:51:12] the rubbish

[1:51:13] couches people.

[1:51:16] >> I didn't know we could do that.

[1:51:18] [laughter]

[1:51:20] » Sweet.

[1:51:22] >> Where do we put our couches? [laughter]

[1:51:29] » Tires, too. Everyone thought it was

[1:51:31] going to burn his tires.

[1:51:32] >> The little kids are pissed off.

[1:51:43] Okay.

[1:51:46] » Equipment used,700

[1:51:49] last year

[1:51:51] to date. This year we got budgeted

[1:51:53] 5,000.

[1:51:54] >> I think we wiped that out when we did

[1:51:56] the track

[1:51:58] took from each department that uses that

[1:52:01] on that mini. I think that'll wipe that

[1:52:03] out this year.

[1:52:15] be the tractor,

[1:52:18] but we just haven't done that yet. We

[1:52:20] just barely got them this week.

[1:52:24] >> Usually comes at the end. That's what's

[1:52:26] hard. Some of these don't come till the

[1:52:29] end. Yeah.

[1:52:30] >> What happened to the good old days when

[1:52:32] you just had the local farmer do it?

[1:52:33] Huh? [laughter]

[1:52:35] or just those boys in the arena. They

[1:52:37] drag the rake, you know, they run

[1:52:38] around.

[1:52:40] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[1:52:43] » Okay. Community development inspections.

[1:52:50] Actually, cut that down a little bit.

[1:52:53] >> Your constituents might call you about

[1:52:55] how fancy we got the same price.

[1:53:00] We don't

[1:53:05] Okay. Cemetery. We're at 146200.

[1:53:10] Um,

[1:53:15] » sorry.

[1:53:18] >> 10:47.

[1:53:23] » Yeah. Well, we've been postponing it,

[1:53:26] but evidently they're pretty bad. I

[1:53:28] guess somebody decided to shingle only

[1:53:31] half the building. Last time they

[1:53:32] shingled it.

[1:53:34] city building. It was shingled on one

[1:53:37] side.

[1:53:44] » What about back up just a little

[1:53:47] contract services 1046550?

[1:53:50] We still got 51,000

[1:54:02] » for building inspector.

[1:54:03] >> It's contract services.

[1:54:05] >> That's your building inspectors.

[1:54:08] >> But are we planning on

[1:54:11] having 51,000 still in?

[1:54:13] >> Depends how many people want to build.

[1:54:16] >> Huh?

[1:54:16] >> Depends on how many people want to

[1:54:18] build.

[1:54:19] probably.

[1:54:21] >> Yeah. That's why my estimate was only

[1:54:23] 5,500 because, you know, usually spring

[1:54:26] you get people building again.

[1:54:28] >> You're not looking the same because this

[1:54:30] one's a 50. This one's 90,000.

[1:54:33] >> That was what was budgeted.

[1:54:37] » But yeah, I only budgeted.

[1:54:39] >> I'm just going back to this.

[1:54:40] >> Okay. Yeah. Sorry.

[1:54:42] Seems seemed like didn't we anticipate

[1:54:45] some commercial coming in last year and

[1:54:48] we up that

[1:54:51] but then it didn't happen. So,

[1:54:52] >> but it really wasn't that much higher

[1:54:54] than the previous year either. The

[1:54:56] previous year actual

[1:54:58] >> the same problem at the start of this I

[1:55:00] was looking through the packet and a lot

[1:55:02] of the things aren't the same.

[1:55:04] >> No. Yeah, I know they aren't. I'm just

[1:55:07] >> correlate.

[1:55:09] >> Yeah. Sorry. You got 50 things to look

[1:55:11] at. No, it's okay. [laughter] Realizing

[1:55:13] that this is the true source of truth,

[1:55:14] right?

[1:55:14] >> Yeah.

[1:55:15] >> Well, and the March I tried to take what

[1:55:19] she sent you for the March financials

[1:55:20] [clears throat]

[1:55:21] and put them right here.

[1:55:22] >> Okay.

[1:55:23] >> To try and make it easier.

[1:55:25] >> So, that's what I've done. Sorry, when I

[1:55:27] hit that all the way up to the top

[1:55:29] again.

[1:55:30] >> So, we were saying we're going to pretty

[1:55:32] much put a roof on that building this

[1:55:33] year.

[1:55:34] >> That's what the plan is

[1:55:37] >> in the next three months.

[1:55:38] >> Well, that's why It was postponed to

[1:55:42] this next year.

[1:55:43] >> Okay.

[1:55:44] >> We're saying we're probably not going to

[1:55:45] get it done, so let's put it over there.

[1:55:49] >> Jared didn't think he had the manpower

[1:55:51] to do it.

[1:55:53] >> But you could do it with your arm.

[1:55:55] >> I could actually

[1:55:58] [laughter] broke my arm. 16 penny nails.

[1:56:02] >> I don't doubt it. [laughter]

[1:56:04] >> I don't think you can.

[1:56:05] >> No. Prove me wrong.

[1:56:08] Did you walk all that sewer line?

[1:56:10] [laughter]

[1:56:12] >> All cemetery expenses, but like truck

[1:56:14] maintenance and trailer maintenance and

[1:56:16] all that

[1:56:18] about 1070.

[1:56:23] » What do you want to put in there?

[1:56:24] >> Like

[1:56:28] that coming up a lot lately.

[1:56:34] » So we might have to tear off.

[1:56:36] >> Yeah. I'm sure

[1:56:40] that

[1:56:42] >> we're going to break things out more.

[1:56:47] » I think so. We're all just dying

[1:56:49] together.

[1:56:49] >> So, is this where we talk about the

[1:56:52] fees? [laughter]

[1:56:54] » We can do it when we go through the

[1:56:55] feast schedule.

[1:56:57] >> We were going to do it during feast

[1:56:58] schedule.

[1:57:00] [clears throat]

[1:57:00] >> Like, I want

[1:57:01] >> He's excited.

[1:57:04] You don't want to miss it.

[1:57:05] >> Just give me some of these.

[1:57:07] >> Thank you.

[1:57:08] >> Um, okay. So,

[1:57:11] >> we've typically transferred some things

[1:57:15] over to some money over to the capital

[1:57:17] projects fund.

[1:57:19] >> I'm sorry. What was that?

[1:57:22] >> You're fine. Um, so we've typically

[1:57:24] transferred funds over from the general

[1:57:27] fund to the capital projects fund. If

[1:57:29] you remember from the training, the

[1:57:30] capital projects fund is kind of for the

[1:57:32] big items.

[1:57:34] >> So I think it only makes sense that at

[1:57:37] this moment we go over to the capital

[1:57:39] projects funds, see what we need as far

[1:57:41] as funds there and then we may need to

[1:57:44] adjust that number a little bit. As of

[1:57:46] right now, I see Ryan's I Will's

[1:57:48] attorney.

[1:57:49] >> Can you stay on that page? Just

[1:57:52] >> Yeah. Last year we moved over $935,000,

[1:57:58] right?

[1:58:00] >> This year we're projecting to move over

[1:58:05] >> and then this next year.

[1:58:08] >> Yeah.

[1:58:09] instead of doing TNT

[1:58:14] that money contract

[1:58:17] >> could but let's go through the capital

[1:58:19] projects because that's where the

[1:58:22] capital projects gets the money.

[1:58:24] >> So can I ask a question since we're

[1:58:26] going into that?

[1:58:26] >> Uhhuh.

[1:58:28] One of my biggest kind of outstanding

[1:58:29] questions is on these capital projects

[1:58:31] because we have a lot of them and this I

[1:58:34] know we have wish lists and all that

[1:58:35] stuff, but I'm just wondering like

[1:58:38] is it possible for us to go okay here's

[1:58:40] our top five and we're committed to

[1:58:41] getting these done by this period of

[1:58:42] time and the rest of these we're going

[1:58:44] to

[1:58:45] >> you know we're just sending money you

[1:58:47] know what I mean

[1:58:47] >> and we want to do these are nice to have

[1:58:50] type thing. Okay. So, under tab

[1:58:56] 10

[1:58:58] is the capital projects long-term

[1:59:01] project plan. And correct me if this is

[1:59:04] not what you're thinking, but this is a

[1:59:07] five-year plan

[1:59:10] um for our capital projects. And the

[1:59:13] thought process being that we want to

[1:59:17] kind of say, okay, what expenses are we

[1:59:20] looking for the next five years and plan

[1:59:22] that out for the next five years. Um, so

[1:59:26] basically, what's your wish list and

[1:59:28] let's plan for it for the next five

[1:59:30] years instead of getting it all at once.

[1:59:33] Um the bleachers on those we have,

[1:59:37] you'll notice in the notes area, we have

[1:59:41] 120 for grant. Um and then we were also

[1:59:44] going to use impact fees for that. So we

[1:59:47] don't really have to come up with extra

[1:59:48] funds for that because we've got the

[1:59:50] grant.

[1:59:51] >> What was the TNT checklist supposed to

[1:59:53] be?

[1:59:54] >> The TNT is correct checklist. Oh,

[1:59:57] >> see how on your line item

[2:00:00] >> Thank you. That was that one that I need

[2:00:03] to fix on everything.

[2:00:10] » Where can I find that easily? Sorry.

[2:00:13] >> Oh, that makes me so mad that it did it,

[2:00:15] you guys. I was like, are you kidding

[2:00:18] me? [laughter]

[2:00:21] Okay, let's

[2:00:24] parking lot.

[2:00:25] >> Oh, yep. You got it. Pickle ball parking

[2:00:27] lot.

[2:00:27] >> Good job, Larry.

[2:00:29] >> Larry's on it.

[2:00:40] Can you change your

[2:00:43] [laughter]

[2:00:51] tomorrow.

[2:00:55] [laughter]

[2:01:00] » Okay. So, um we have budgeted for a

[2:01:04] diamond sea gooseeneck tilt trailer for

[2:01:08] 27,000.

[2:01:11] Uh the bleachers we talked about,

[2:01:14] >> the ADA funding, [clears throat]

[2:01:18] um baseball lights.

[2:01:21] >> ADA. That's the sidewalk, right?

[2:01:23] >> Yeah.

[2:01:24] >> In the park.

[2:01:25] >> Yep.

[2:01:27] I guess I should maybe say ADA sidewalk.

[2:01:34] Um

[2:01:37] then the baseball lights.

[2:01:41] Um looks like we got 26,000 to offset

[2:01:46] that. So it's kind of half.

[2:01:49] Um pickle ball sprinklers.

[2:01:53] We've got that

[2:01:55] offset.

[2:01:58] » So is this current year projects?

[2:02:03] Are we have we completed these?

[2:02:05] >> Have we started any of the

[2:02:07] >> current year projects? Um Jared, have we

[2:02:10] got the zeroturn mower?

[2:02:12] >> Not yet. They're

[2:02:13] >> okay. But

[2:02:15] >> okay.

[2:02:16] >> I'm just wondering like and when

[2:02:17] [clears throat] we say current year

[2:02:18] fiscal year, so we got three months to

[2:02:20] do all of this

[2:02:21] >> reality. Will we have all this done in

[2:02:23] three months?

[2:02:24] >> Jared, [laughter]

[2:02:25] >> is easy. I mean

[2:02:28] >> power upgrade. Hasn't that been done? I

[2:02:30] thought that was completed. Yeah, I

[2:02:33] thought so.

[2:02:34] >> The bleachers,

[2:02:35] >> we got that postponed.

[2:02:40] » Yeah, they're ordered, but the company

[2:02:42] that makes them was out like 14 months.

[2:02:45] So, we won't do that until next year.

[2:02:48] >> So, that's why it's grayed out there.

[2:02:50] >> Okay. So, that's move to next year.

[2:02:51] >> Yeah, we moved it to the next year.

[2:02:53] >> And the same with the pickle ball

[2:02:54] sprinkler.

[2:02:56] We haven't done because of the drought

[2:02:58] mainly. Um the pickle ball parking lot

[2:03:01] is they're going to seal it tomorrow and

[2:03:04] it's basically done other than the

[2:03:05] landscape and the street lights.

[2:03:07] >> And is it that is it going to come in at

[2:03:09] that cost?

[2:03:09] >> No,

[2:03:10] >> it's going to be less.

[2:03:19] I'm just kidding. [laughter]

[2:03:21] >> Dang it.

[2:03:22] >> I was told that it was approved toward

[2:03:24] the contract. [laughter]

[2:03:28] pick up parking is like 101, wasn't it?

[2:03:33] >> I could go get my contract.

[2:03:35] >> I'd be interested knowing if it's coming

[2:03:37] in at 40,000 above

[2:03:39] what we have budgeted. That's important

[2:03:41] to know.

[2:03:43] and see how much we had because the

[2:03:45] grant pretty much paid for the parking

[2:03:48] lot.

[2:03:49] >> All right.

[2:03:51] >> But so the pickle ball sprinklers is

[2:03:53] that anticipating putting in grass

[2:03:56] because then we put in the turf.

[2:03:58] >> We don't have to put sprinklers,

[2:04:00] >> but [clears throat] we got a grant for

[2:04:01] those. So I don't know if the grant will

[2:04:04] flow over to We'd have to look.

[2:04:08] >> But I don't know. Sherry, you you tell

[2:04:11] me is the 15,000 included in the did we

[2:04:15] do it as one project with them with

[2:04:19] a whole

[2:04:20] >> if we did it with one project and if we

[2:04:22] ended up doing something because of

[2:04:24] we're doing something more waterwise

[2:04:27] they would still be all right with that.

[2:04:28] It's all within the same

[2:04:30] >> is it? Okay.

[2:04:33] >> Because I know

[2:04:35] >> public works.

[2:04:40] » Fencing and gates. That's our yard where

[2:04:42] we store stuff.

[2:04:44] >> Yeah.

[2:04:47] » Not in years, right?

[2:04:55] with

[2:04:58] » it's in 26.

[2:04:59] >> It was 59718 that we received.

[2:05:09] Oh, so in addition to the 64

[2:05:14] » I don't know what the came in at. Like I

[2:05:16] said

[2:05:19] was ours.

[2:05:22] >> Okay, we'll get with I'll get with you

[2:05:24] when we do the amendment so we can get

[2:05:26] that closer.

[2:05:27] >> It's done. And just we need the water.

[2:05:34] » Okay.

[2:05:35] >> So now we're the fencing and the gates

[2:05:38] for the yard. That'll be done. That'll

[2:05:39] be on. No, he doesn't. We don't have to

[2:05:41] move it.

[2:05:41] >> We don't have to move it. You think it's

[2:05:42] going to be done?

[2:05:43] >> So, that that could be a green.

[2:05:44] >> Okay. I misunderstood that. Okay.

[2:05:46] >> And then the the sprinklers are done.

[2:05:47] They're just need the water to put in

[2:05:49] them in the cemetery down there further.

[2:05:52] >> Yeah.

[2:05:53] >> So, that's great. So, it looks like most

[2:05:55] of our capital projects are on pace or

[2:05:57] done for this year.

[2:05:58] >> So, now we're deciding on

[2:06:00] >> next.

[2:06:04] Good job.

[2:06:07] Don't leave them hanging. [laughter]

[2:06:12] » And so we have grants for uh the

[2:06:15] bleachers

[2:06:17] >> and any other grants for any of those

[2:06:20] items.

[2:06:21] >> The ADA sidewalk funding the

[2:06:22] >> baseball.

[2:06:27] What was the And then the lights

[2:06:29] >> baseball lights

[2:06:31] >> are are those two amounts the grant

[2:06:34] amount

[2:06:35] >> and then there's the pickle ball

[2:06:36] sprinklers that were whipping back.

[2:06:38] That's a grant also.

[2:06:41] >> Yes.

[2:06:42] >> And

[2:06:45] the additions

[2:06:50] » that's not a

[2:06:52] truck bed.

[2:06:54] >> That's not a

[2:06:57] for the irrigation line for the cemetery

[2:06:59] is not a grant either.

[2:07:01] >> Yeah.

[2:07:01] >> So if we have this budgeted and we have

[2:07:04] the money allocated but then we get a

[2:07:05] grant, do we save that money and we just

[2:07:07] move it over? Is that the thought? Yeah,

[2:07:09] it goes into fund balance and the state

[2:07:13] say that you know we so we can spend

[2:07:16] fund balance but keep in mind that fund

[2:07:19] balance if you spend it you kind of want

[2:07:22] to spend it on a one time thing not

[2:07:24] something that's going to keep billing

[2:07:25] every year. So

[2:07:26] >> so are we able to get a picture of fund

[2:07:28] balance uh to date or anything is that

[2:07:30] somewhere

[2:07:32] >> so in your

[2:07:33] >> just so happens

[2:07:35] >> general fund. Yeah. In fact, here, let

[2:07:37] me just pull this up because it's I just

[2:07:40] want to show you in your packets that

[2:07:44] it's there.

[2:07:45] >> Um,

[2:07:47] >> okay. So, it's not going to be in those

[2:07:49] packets. It's in the one that um I

[2:07:52] provide on a monthly basis.

[2:07:54] >> So, let me figure out how to share this

[2:07:56] real quick.

[2:07:58] >> Different screen. Morgan, you might have

[2:08:00] to

[2:08:03] >> Oh, right here.

[2:08:05] So, I'm going to share this other screen

[2:08:08] right there. Okay. So, monthly you get

[2:08:10] your financial statements and of course

[2:08:12] you're familiar with all the little

[2:08:14] stories I give you. Try and give you

[2:08:17] just a quick glance if you glance at it.

[2:08:20] And then my legal claimer that I think

[2:08:22] is put in there. Then you have all the

[2:08:25] financials. And then right here, Um, okay. So, I track what I

[2:08:37] estimate what the um balance is going to

[2:08:41] be on your fund balance at the end of

[2:08:42] the year. [clears throat]

[2:08:43] State law requires us to stay within 15

[2:08:46] to 35%

[2:08:48] of unrestricted. Right now, we're at 19%

[2:08:50] [clears throat]

[2:08:51] within the general fund.

[2:08:53] >> Okay.

[2:08:53] >> Um

[2:08:54] >> so that's on 19% surplus.

[2:08:56] >> Yeah.

[2:08:56] >> From what our capital projects budgeting

[2:08:58] is.

[2:08:59] >> Well, but then you've got capital

[2:09:00] projects which is a little bit

[2:09:01] different. [clears throat and cough]

[2:09:02] Um, just real quick, you'll see the

[2:09:04] restricted funds all kind of listed out

[2:09:07] here,

[2:09:09] but

[2:09:11] >> let's Sorry. [laughter]

[2:09:14] But as far as the general fund, it's

[2:09:18] right here.

[2:09:23] [cough and clears throat]

[2:09:24] We have um 4.8,

[2:09:28] But $150 of that is restricted for your

[2:09:32] impact fees. So you have about a $4

[2:09:36] million fund balance in capital

[2:09:38] projects. Yes, you could use that money.

[2:09:42] Nothing's saying you can't, but keep in

[2:09:45] mind that, you know,

[2:09:46] >> so we could use that to pay for the

[2:09:48] sheriff instead of raising tax.

[2:09:51] >> Yeah. But eventually it'll run out.

[2:09:52] Eventually you'll have to find

[2:09:54] additional funding source to pay for

[2:09:56] ship.

[2:09:56] >> Sure. Like I said, this is it's better

[2:09:58] to spend this money, the fund balance.

[2:10:01] Anytime you spend fund balance, it is

[2:10:03] better to spend it on one time things

[2:10:06] >> instead of a continuing month every year

[2:10:09] that you're going to have to absorb. But

[2:10:11] that is your decision.

[2:10:13] >> Larry, what type of one time fee would

[2:10:14] you accept to be sheriff?

[2:10:18] >> Well, you'll

[2:10:21] [laughter]

[2:10:23] give you two bullets.

[2:10:29] » [laughter]

[2:10:31] >> I think it should be more

[2:10:35] contract 100,000 drop those numbers

[2:10:39] right

[2:10:41] should be half million

[2:10:45] >> we're getting hit with something I fill

[2:10:46] this in with what I hear you saying what

[2:10:48] I think I think about that is if we have

[2:10:51] a major I mean we I feel like we should

[2:10:53] be able to find 100,000

[2:10:55] somehow whether it's a onetime fee we

[2:10:58] can spend some I don't know I just feel

[2:11:00] like

[2:11:02] to do a truth in taxation for all the

[2:11:04] headaches it's going to cause the big

[2:11:06] thing people are going to see mentally

[2:11:08] >> for 100

[2:11:09] >> no I mean there's just so much

[2:11:12] disruption to that even though it's a

[2:11:13] reality of the world we live in I just

[2:11:16] feel like like you said it's such a

[2:11:18] small thing to go through that headache

[2:11:19] especially we might never have to go

[2:11:21] through it again

[2:11:22] >> and maybe next year when it goes up

[2:11:23] again we do for the last two years for

[2:11:27] 250,000 or more whatever it is.

[2:11:29] >> So my thought that too is um moneywise

[2:11:34] it's not going up that much percentwise

[2:11:36] it is shocking.

[2:11:38] >> So even to get us $100,000 we have to go

[2:11:42] up 48%.

[2:11:43] >> So to tell our residents but our

[2:11:46] residents won't they won't take that

[2:11:49] percentage

[2:11:51] >> the tax

[2:11:53] notice is going to say

[2:11:55] They have the percent.

[2:11:58] >> You have to. So, so that's my concern.

[2:12:01] If we don't do it this year and next

[2:12:03] year we do it to catch up, we are at

[2:12:05] 100%.

[2:12:07] Which told me last year when they did

[2:12:09] theirs it was 100%. But they also were

[2:12:12] only paying that same kind of lapse 100.

[2:12:16] So I was thinking even 48% sounded

[2:12:19] shocking. But if we tell our residents

[2:12:22] that's going to be 48, I sometime I feel

[2:12:25] like we're going to have to do one. I

[2:12:28] would sooner have it be for less than

[2:12:30] next year have it be twice as much. But

[2:12:32] >> so how much does the TNT checklist cost

[2:12:35] us?

[2:12:37] >> So is that a real dollar?

[2:12:39] >> Well, I mean pretty much the county has

[2:12:43] to put it in the notice. Like the bare

[2:12:47] minimum would just basically be putting

[2:12:50] it county notice and then that you've

[2:12:53] already got Morgan spending a lot of the

[2:12:55] time. A lot of the work is her and then

[2:12:58] Sherry does a lot of it. I very

[2:13:00] [clears throat] minimal honestly.

[2:13:02] >> So my time is very minimal.

[2:13:05] >> Sher and Ray may have to help me because

[2:13:09] they kind of got me

[2:13:11] they made it sound like a truth in

[2:13:14] taxation

[2:13:15] every year was a great thing and the

[2:13:20] residents really aren't paying anymore

[2:13:23] because the percentages

[2:13:25] >> go from 15% to 82%

[2:13:29] if you keep doing it. Do you know how

[2:13:32] that works? And I don't know if you can

[2:13:34] explain it because I think

[2:13:35] >> I I hear what Ryan is saying, but from

[2:13:38] what I listen to this lady down there,

[2:13:42] >> uh I feel different than you guys. I

[2:13:44] think we need to do it and then the

[2:13:47] percentages go down. residence even

[2:13:50] though the rate goes up and I don't get

[2:13:53] it but

[2:13:54] >> so how it works is you have to set new

[2:13:58] growth aside okay so you take new growth

[2:14:00] put it in its own bucket okay but if you

[2:14:03] just look at your property taxes and

[2:14:06] I'll just use simple figures because

[2:14:07] that's how my brain works

[2:14:09] >> that's what they do for us though

[2:14:10] >> is it okay and maybe they explained it

[2:14:13] better than I do I don't know this is

[2:14:14] how I've always explained it seems to

[2:14:16] work but um anyway Anyways, when you

[2:14:20] take say you collected or you assessed a

[2:14:25] h 100,000 this year, okay, but you're

[2:14:28] not going to collect that 100,000.

[2:14:31] You're going to have people that you

[2:14:33] know file for abatement, various things,

[2:14:35] okay? So, you're not going to get that

[2:14:37] 100,000. And when you ask for the tax

[2:14:41] rate, you ask for x amount of money.

[2:14:44] Okay? You say, [clears throat] "I need a

[2:14:46] h 100,000 to operate this city." You

[2:14:48] don't say, "I need this percentage." You

[2:14:50] say, "I need a h 100,000." Okay? But

[2:14:52] you're not going to get that full

[2:14:54] 100,000. You might collect 95,000. Okay?

[2:14:58] Well, what they do is if you do not do

[2:15:01] truth and taxation,

[2:15:03] the next year they say, "You survived

[2:15:05] off of 95,000. Guess what? We're going

[2:15:08] to set your rate at 95,000." So, you

[2:15:11] collect 95,000. Again, you're not going

[2:15:14] to collect that 95,000.

[2:15:15] >> So, it goes down every year.

[2:15:16] >> So, every year it goes down if you do

[2:15:19] not do truth and taxation. If you do

[2:15:22] truth and taxation just to maintain,

[2:15:26] if you want to just maintain your

[2:15:28] number, not increase, you actually have

[2:15:31] to do truth and taxation to maintain.

[2:15:34] Now, you've got your new growth. That's

[2:15:36] a whole another, you know, category. But

[2:15:39] your new growth, the tax revenue from

[2:15:41] that should pay for the treats that

[2:15:43] you've got to fix for them or the

[2:15:45] services you've got to fix for them

[2:15:47] because you just increased your growth.

[2:15:50] So the thought process being is, you

[2:15:52] know, even if we go to the county and we

[2:15:55] say we were doing truth and taxation, we

[2:15:58] are not going to go to them and say we

[2:16:00] need a 48% increase, we're going to go

[2:16:02] to them and say we need $428,000

[2:16:06] of property taxes.

[2:16:08] They will tell us what the rate is. They

[2:16:11] will tell us what we get. They don't

[2:16:13] tell us what percentage. So to even

[2:16:16] maintain, you have to keep doing truth

[2:16:20] and taxation every year. So

[2:16:23] >> nobody does that.

[2:16:24] >> No. Well, there's a few

[2:16:25] >> quite a few.

[2:16:26] >> There's actually a few and more are

[2:16:28] catching on because they're realizing

[2:16:32] >> this is what you have to do.

[2:16:33] >> So as far as expenses, right, because I

[2:16:36] thought of this too. So, we had this

[2:16:37] Carrie Nakamur that was down there that

[2:16:39] did this really good presentation

[2:16:42] that I contacted her because after we've

[2:16:45] been down there, we said, "What would

[2:16:46] she charge us to come and do?" Because

[2:16:48] she suggested a town hall. We talked

[2:16:50] about that before. She would charge

[2:16:52] $1,000 to come and do a town hall. We

[2:16:56] advertise it really well. Not that

[2:16:58] everybody's going to come, but have

[2:16:59] people come. So, there would be that

[2:17:01] expense. It could be a little bit, maybe

[2:17:03] a couple hundred more.

[2:17:06] specifically to it some city numbers

[2:17:08] which we probably would. The other thing

[2:17:10] would be then we print off flyers and

[2:17:13] the county will mail those out for us.

[2:17:16] And the other things we have to do we

[2:17:17] have to update our website. Um but but

[2:17:20] most of like the rest of it really

[2:17:22] aren't hard costs.

[2:17:25] So

[2:17:26] >> So who's this lady?

[2:17:28] >> Her name is Carrie Nakamura and she

[2:17:30] >> she has a consulting firm. She has a

[2:17:32] consulting firm and she was one that

[2:17:34] actually worked with the tax company

[2:17:38] >> and she explains stuff that if we

[2:17:40] explain it to our residents they will

[2:17:41] think we're full of crap.

[2:17:42] >> How many do you think will actually show

[2:17:44] up or something like that

[2:17:45] >> if they know that they're going to have

[2:17:47] a tax increase?

[2:17:49] >> I guarantee

[2:17:51] >> you're going to have this building pool.

[2:17:53] I almost guarant.

[2:17:57] But that's better than none. And like we

[2:17:59] talked about if it's us trying to

[2:18:01] explain it to them.

[2:18:02] >> They're not. And even said, if it's even

[2:18:04] her explaining it, but maybe if it's

[2:18:06] this neutral person who worked with the

[2:18:09] tax

[2:18:11] was with the state auditor with the tax

[2:18:13] commission.

[2:18:14] >> I don't I don't know.

[2:18:15] >> I feel strongly enough and I don't know

[2:18:17] if he'll agree with me or not, but I

[2:18:20] think Larry and I would split the cost

[2:18:22] of having a to have her here because we

[2:18:25] need her here to explain this stuff.

[2:18:28] >> We do.

[2:18:29] >> Yeah. I think it's helpful to have an

[2:18:31] expert, but I also think that people

[2:18:32] want to hear from the people they

[2:18:35] >> like I mean hearing it from a third

[2:18:36] party is nice to hear a third party, but

[2:18:38] also

[2:18:39] >> if I'm if I'm a citizen, I'm going to

[2:18:41] look at my representative in the face

[2:18:43] and say, "Why are you increasing my

[2:18:44] taxes? Why do you think that it's

[2:18:46] important to do it?" And as a citizen

[2:18:49] though, if you look at me and you say

[2:18:51] it's because of police services and if

[2:18:53] you're struggling with that, might I

[2:18:54] recommend you go talk to the Weieber

[2:18:56] County Sheriff. Guess what? I'm over at

[2:18:58] the Weaver County Sheriff talking

[2:19:01] why we have to raise the taxes.

[2:19:05] >> I can't explain the way that this lady

[2:19:09] showed how the county

[2:19:12] does their accounting because uh

[2:19:16] >> uh it was jumping uh all these numbers

[2:19:19] was jumping around and she was showing

[2:19:21] that really the taxes don't go up. Uh

[2:19:24] >> well, it's like if the property value of

[2:19:26] your property goes up, people are always

[2:19:28] griping because my property value went

[2:19:29] up, so I'm paying more taxes. But you

[2:19:31] don't because the actual tax rate goes

[2:19:34] down. So if you're paying $1,000 a year

[2:19:36] in taxes and your your principal goes

[2:19:39] up, so you're paying $1,100, then your

[2:19:41] tax rate goes down. And she when she

[2:19:44] started she said you're going to argue

[2:19:45] with me about this but this is a

[2:19:49] vice versa. I think our tax rates went

[2:19:52] down the [cough]

[2:19:54] but our house is now worth a million

[2:19:55] dollars instead of 500,000. So our

[2:20:00] explaining I just thought

[2:20:02] >> it was amazing.

[2:20:03] >> I I could never

[2:20:06] maybe Cammy could but I could

[2:20:08] >> well even

[2:20:09] >> but I wish I would have been there.

[2:20:11] >> Yeah, we can do that. I think that's a

[2:20:13] good point. Explain that.

[2:20:14] >> So we currently collect Sorry. Go ahead.

[2:20:17] >> Go ahead.

[2:20:17] >> We currently collect almost $300,000 in

[2:20:20] property taxes, right?

[2:20:22] >> If we add $100,000 to that $400,000,

[2:20:26] that's only an additional $32 a year per

[2:20:36] 30 bucks is nothing, right? Yeah.

[2:20:39] >> So,

[2:20:40] >> well, I will tell you one of the things

[2:20:41] that we did with when we were down with

[2:20:43] stuff in League of Cities and we got it

[2:20:45] shut down in the legislature. The

[2:20:47] legislature was trying to limit the

[2:20:49] amount we could increase property taxes

[2:20:51] down to 5%.

[2:20:53] >> No way.

[2:20:54] >> It would do us no good.

[2:20:56] >> Well, that's here's an interesting table

[2:20:59] I'm sharing now.

[2:21:02] Here's the year. Here's our rates.

[2:21:04] Here's our revenue uh population and

[2:21:07] cost per person

[2:21:10] >> from back to 2003.

[2:21:14] >> Yeah.

[2:21:14] So, our cost per person is not

[2:21:17] >> that's one thing that worries me if and

[2:21:19] they said it will come back next year

[2:21:21] >> whether they get it to limit to five and

[2:21:23] I thought if we don't somewhat get a

[2:21:26] little bit caught up and they start

[2:21:28] limiting it to five

[2:21:30] >> and people are paying more

[2:21:34] in trouble. That's not even 10 months a

[2:21:35] year.

[2:21:38] >> It's because we're starting so lowact.

[2:21:40] You start talking percentages like for

[2:21:44] this much.

[2:21:45] >> Yeah.

[2:21:46] >> Great.

[2:21:48] >> That's exactly that's just the same

[2:21:50] thing. I thought the ones that are

[2:21:52] already caught up, they're fine. But and

[2:21:53] one thing that we're required to do this

[2:21:55] year because they passed a lot of

[2:21:56] transparency laws is we have to have

[2:21:58] this um statement that we have on there

[2:22:01] that's a schedule that actually will

[2:22:04] city, you know, the truth and taxation.

[2:22:07] It's $100,000

[2:22:09] for shared. I mean, it has to be so

[2:22:12] specific, so transparent. I thought so,

[2:22:15] too.

[2:22:15] >> Yeah.

[2:22:16] >> And they and they, you know, we have

[2:22:18] that they send us all the slides that we

[2:22:20] have. So, no, back to the question. I

[2:22:23] think our main cost would be that and I

[2:22:25] think it would be a good idea to to have

[2:22:27] her come give those generals and then we can print our own flyer,

[2:22:32] send them to the county and they'll mail

[2:22:33] them out with their notice. They told us

[2:22:36] they should fire.

[2:22:39] >> Yes.

[2:22:40] >> I I just feel really strong that we got

[2:22:42] to have her come because I walked out of

[2:22:44] there after listening to her going,

[2:22:45] "Holy crap, residents do not understand

[2:22:48] this." because I didn't have any idea

[2:22:50] how that's how it worked until she

[2:22:52] explained

[2:22:53] >> most people don't know

[2:22:56] there somebody comes and explains it to

[2:22:59] you like oh yeah okay that makes sense

[2:23:02] >> and that's the thing I found you know

[2:23:04] back no front page news I used to work

[2:23:07] with Kisville and people just don't

[2:23:10] understand once they understand a light

[2:23:12] bulb goes off and they go oh

[2:23:14] >> well she actually said you guys are

[2:23:16] probably going to argue with me about

[2:23:17] this but it's facts First thing she said

[2:23:19] out of her mouth was I'm prepared for

[2:23:21] you to argue with me but these are the

[2:23:23] facts basically

[2:23:25] >> and I will win. She said

[2:23:26] >> and she said [laughter] and she did by

[2:23:30] the time she was halfway done I'm like

[2:23:32] okay I'm on your team.

[2:23:34] >> So

[2:23:35] >> one one thing that I don't think any if

[2:23:37] you went out and asked the general

[2:23:39] public nobody wants more taxes

[2:23:41] >> but we have I call it stretch the rubber

[2:23:44] band since we became the city we've

[2:23:47] never I mean those numbers just show

[2:23:50] >> we're doing

[2:23:52] that by the way.

[2:23:54] >> We'll make it pretty soon [laughter]

[2:23:57] and we've got to have more

[2:24:01] >> just Yeah. All I can say is she just

[2:24:03] convinced me that it needs to be done

[2:24:06] and and actually Ray and I talked that

[2:24:09] we're so yeah we would even if we had

[2:24:13] >> I'd happily I'll pay the whole thing

[2:24:14] where you want to play because I'm I

[2:24:17] paid it's worth it to me to this city to

[2:24:20] fork over a thousand bucks. I would

[2:24:22] happily do that because this city means

[2:24:25] this information.

[2:24:26] >> Well, and one thing too and I don't know

[2:24:27] if this you said this with case or we

[2:24:29] heard it also because I I relisted to

[2:24:31] her presentation. She had you know the

[2:24:34] same one but she said this is what we

[2:24:36] need to say. This is what proper

[2:24:39] residents this is what you are getting

[2:24:40] for $150

[2:24:43] a year.

[2:24:45] You break it out into like a pie chart

[2:24:47] and you say this is how much is police,

[2:24:49] this is how much is this, this is how much is this,

[2:24:53] these are the services, this is what

[2:24:55] it's costing you for these services. And

[2:24:58] it really hits home when you do that

[2:25:01] more so than, you know, I mean, when I

[2:25:03] did it with Kisville, I did the flyer

[2:25:06] and it had um and they still have it on

[2:25:09] their website. They haven't updated it,

[2:25:10] but they've got it there. but it has a

[2:25:13] comparison for other things. [cough] And

[2:25:15] honestly, I think the more important

[2:25:17] thing was that pie chart,

[2:25:20] >> you know, saying this is what you're

[2:25:22] getting for your money. And then also

[2:25:24] like we did a chart of saying this is

[2:25:26] what your property taxes are and this is

[2:25:28] how much of your property taxes go to

[2:25:30] each thing. And you know, this little

[2:25:33] maybe 1%, don't quote me on the

[2:25:35] percentage, but this little teeny

[2:25:36] percentage is the city. The rest of it

[2:25:39] is these other things. So, you know, of

[2:25:42] that little teeny percentage, we're

[2:25:44] providing these services. And

[2:25:45] >> you're a good pie charter, right?

[2:25:47] >> I love pie charts.

[2:25:48] >> I love Yeah, they do.

[2:25:54] » All we need to do is add what we provide

[2:25:57] for those.

[2:26:00] [cough and clears throat]

[2:26:00] >> I I was surprised where I live. I got a

[2:26:03] four

[2:26:06] city.

[2:26:07] >> My tax is just the city part. This is

[2:26:10] rough but fairly accurate. Went up 600%.

[2:26:14] If we had the same amount of tax rate

[2:26:17] that the city I live in has, we wouldn't

[2:26:19] have any money problems.

[2:26:21] >> And I don't know that, you know, maybe

[2:26:22] they're fat and they could be trimmed 10

[2:26:25] 20% but not 600%.

[2:26:28] >> His his taxes literally when he got

[2:26:30] annexed into West Point City, correct me

[2:26:32] if I'm wrong, went up $1,400 a year.

[2:26:37] >> So here's the truth. This is that Carrie

[2:26:41] not

[2:26:44] 41 pages of her presentation. If you

[2:26:48] guys want this, this is what emailed us.

[2:26:53] So, we need to get the new one from

[2:26:55] yesterday.

[2:26:55] >> What's that?

[2:26:56] >> I want to geek out on it. Can you send

[2:26:57] it to me? [laughter]

[2:27:01] » Is that the new one you got yesterday?

[2:27:03] >> Sorry.

[2:27:04] >> There's some slides she updated

[2:27:05] yesterday.

[2:27:06] >> Can I see?

[2:27:09] And it does.

[2:27:09] >> So if you go go to the Utah League of

[2:27:12] Cities and Towns, they she updated it

[2:27:14] and so she said, "This is our new one

[2:27:16] because the state auditors send them two

[2:27:19] more as of

[2:27:22] No, it was really good. I hers

[2:27:27] will find the

[2:27:32] » So our tax notice will say what it's

[2:27:35] for. We were sheriff

[2:27:38] So because of transparency now we have

[2:27:41] to have three separate agenda items we

[2:27:44] have and so this we talked about today

[2:27:45] with county would be on our second main

[2:27:47] meeting. So you have to have a agenda

[2:27:49] item stating that we are going to have a

[2:27:52] statement. Then the next agenda item is

[2:27:55] that we are this is the statement.

[2:27:58] >> Then the third one is this is the

[2:28:00] schedule and the schedule is so plainly

[2:28:03] written that it's this is the amount

[2:28:05] this is what it's for. This is But this

[2:28:07] is looked like county said this is the

[2:28:09] amount of money we need to get and we

[2:28:12] won't know the tax rate yet until we

[2:28:14] give that to them and they figure it

[2:28:16] out.

[2:28:16] >> So there'll be no question.

[2:28:18] >> No question at all. So, if you go to

[2:28:20] >> absolutely

[2:28:21] >> tab um 11, the TNT one, [laughter]

[2:28:26] >> um page one, it says at a public meeting

[2:28:30] between January or May 1st to June 13th,

[2:28:34] and it lines out what we have to

[2:28:36] provide.

[2:28:40] » Yeah. [clears throat]

[2:28:42] I mean, you don't necessarily need this,

[2:28:44] but I thought you might find it

[2:28:45] interesting, you know, as we go through

[2:28:47] the process.

[2:28:48] It doesn't help for all of us to be

[2:28:50] checking and making sure we're following

[2:28:51] it or if we're questioning if we're

[2:28:53] following it to

[2:28:54] >> she actually went through all this stuff

[2:28:55] with us.

[2:28:56] >> Did she?

[2:28:57] >> Yeah. Me and Larry and we don't have a

[2:28:59] good memory.

[2:29:00] >> But I love that the state auditor

[2:29:03] updated this because they had one before

[2:29:05] and I was like, where is that? They've

[2:29:07] got to give us a new one. So when they

[2:29:09] came up with the new one, I was like,

[2:29:10] "Yes, I want them to be on the on the

[2:29:14] hook if you know they mess something up

[2:29:16] on their checklist, not [laughter] me."

[2:29:18] But it does make it a lot easier.

[2:29:20] >> I'm told 100%. It's got to be right in

[2:29:23] detail.

[2:29:26] » So

[2:29:29] yeah, the

[2:29:31] >> Yeah, we need 1036

[2:29:33] >> irrigation line

[2:29:36] for this year. You can uh Oh, you're

[2:29:40] changing

[2:29:40] >> the 1036 is what did you have it, Larry?

[2:29:44] >> The fee.

[2:29:46] >> She's wondering what that needs to be

[2:29:48] changed. Said the TNT check.

[2:29:50] >> Sorry. I think we're looking at

[2:29:52] >> I thought you had it, Larry. So, I was

[2:29:54] like, "Oh, I got it right here, too."

[2:29:56] But um

[2:30:00] maybe somewhere

[2:30:02] >> um it's going to be interest.

[2:30:06] That's the 30 3600. Okay.

[2:30:08] >> Yeah. And this is tab

[2:30:13] nine.

[2:30:16] >> Sorry, we're on tab nine.

[2:30:18] >> Yep. Sorry. You're supposed to read by

[2:30:20] mine, guys. [clears throat and laughter]

[2:30:28] I thought it was just

[2:30:47] » I do have these exact numbers if you

[2:30:48] want to add those in for those grants

[2:30:51] [clears throat] for the ADA sidewalk,

[2:30:53] but that's next year. We just mean it'll

[2:30:56] be next fiscal year, but if you want

[2:31:00] >> so not in fiscal year,

[2:31:02] >> it'll be it will be 27.

[2:31:04] >> Oh, okay.

[2:31:05] >> So, we've got the bleachers and then

[2:31:07] we've got how much for the

[2:31:10] >> They were You had You had a list. You

[2:31:12] had They were on

[2:31:14] >> Yeah, they were over here on this

[2:31:16] >> right here. [snorts]

[2:31:18] So, we had the 30. The

[2:31:21] >> So, the 30 is correct.

[2:31:24] sidewalk

[2:31:26] and the baseball lights are 26,430.

[2:31:30] >> Okay. Right. [clears throat]

[2:31:33] And then the 15 there.

[2:31:36] >> Yeah.

[2:31:36] >> Sorry.

[2:31:37] >> Do we need to add any of that to this

[2:31:40] year's budget since we only have 1500 so

[2:31:42] far?

[2:31:43] >> Yeah. So, we need to do 15700

[2:31:46] >> plus this plus this plus 150

[2:31:52] >> 221.

[2:31:53] money for next year.

[2:31:54] >> 430. This is next year's money.

[2:31:56] >> 221430.

[2:31:59] >> We wrote the grants, but they're for

[2:32:01] fiscal year. They call them 2027.

[2:32:03] >> So, 1500 is all we got for this year.

[2:32:08] >> Are those numbers or is that with our

[2:32:11] match?

[2:32:12] >> That that is the grant money.

[2:32:14] >> Okay.

[2:32:15] >> Yeah. So, the bleachers would have been

[2:32:17] last year, but

[2:32:23] The lighting we got done. The parking

[2:32:26] lot was done.

[2:32:32] » We did the electrical upgrade that was

[2:32:34] on the west side of the park behind the

[2:32:40] >> shoulds.

[2:32:48] the financials on page three.

[2:32:54] » That should cover us

[2:33:01] over that amount in there, but I did the

[2:33:05] landscaping from 27,000 to 8,000. So

[2:33:09] that'll save us significantly there.

[2:33:15] » Well, the guy that's doing it, I just We

[2:33:18] got to talk about these numbers or we're

[2:33:20] going to pull it out of your contract.

[2:33:22] >> Tell me about

[2:33:24] >> when we talk about it.

[2:33:31] » Thank you.

[2:33:33] >> Okay.

[2:33:36] So, on the

[2:33:38] uh

[2:33:42] on the capital projects fund, we've got

[2:33:45] about 35,000 for park impact fees. Keep

[2:33:48] in mind those are um restricted funds.

[2:33:52] Uh calculated 176430

[2:33:56] for grants.

[2:33:59] And then interest, I estimated about

[2:34:01] 90,000. That's probably a little low,

[2:34:03] but you never know with interest rates.

[2:34:05] I always hate to go too high on

[2:34:07] interest. This is assuming we have a

[2:34:10] $225,000

[2:34:11] transfer in from the general fund.

[2:34:14] Um then with all the expenses, we've got

[2:34:18] the 5100 project also was postponed

[2:34:22] >> and it will be build. He told me we

[2:34:23] should be getting that build here pretty

[2:34:25] quick.

[2:34:25] >> Oh, so we'll be getting it this year

[2:34:27] then?

[2:34:27] >> I think we will be getting it this year.

[2:34:29] >> Okay. So now we no longer need to

[2:34:31] postpone that. That's even greater news.

[2:34:33] Okay.

[2:34:35] And then all these then should be

[2:34:39] done then. So

[2:34:44] we don't want to count the 35 really,

[2:34:46] but

[2:34:48] we'll have 418 as expenses. Our income's

[2:34:52] looking at 526. We could easily trim

[2:35:05] I don't want to count that impact fees

[2:35:07] in there. We could trim 73 off of this

[2:35:11] 225 and still pay for the expenses we

[2:35:14] have for this year.

[2:35:18] If you wanted to, um,

[2:35:22] it's up to you guys. We can put it in

[2:35:25] there and use it for

[2:35:28] >> Yeah, we know that's going to be

[2:35:30] Yeah, because because the parking lot

[2:35:32] according to the grant we had 59,718

[2:35:37] responsibility was 51,41

[2:35:40] for the parking lot. So is that what it

[2:35:43] came to?

[2:35:53] It's going to be closer to 22.

[2:35:57] >> That's for a 4 in line.

[2:36:00] [clears throat] Really don't think that

[2:36:03] we've got to have it. Worst case

[2:36:05] scenario, I think would be a 2 in that

[2:36:08] would be around.

[2:36:09] >> So more like maybe if I put 25 that

[2:36:12] would give us a little more.

[2:36:13] >> Okay.

[2:36:15] I'm not opposed to that.

[2:36:20] [cough]

[2:36:21] >> And we may not even need the 25 if we

[2:36:24] can water it with the 4 in

[2:36:30] » from

[2:36:43] that.

[2:36:44] on the west

[2:36:46] >> reduce it down or whatever it is.

[2:36:49] >> I don't remember either if the 2 in

[2:36:52] dropped down to 25.

[2:36:55] >> I think it was more

[2:36:56] >> on the

[2:36:58] Is it 25?

[2:36:59] >> It is. It's like 22

[2:37:01] >> and it dropped from the 81 to

[2:37:03] >> No, that the 81 is for a 4 inch.

[2:37:05] >> Yes, that's what I'm asking. But the 2

[2:37:07] in is only 22.

[2:37:09] >> Yeah. So, the uh there's a 1 inch that's

[2:37:12] uh I didn't bring my papers with me. A 1

[2:37:14] inch was like 11,000.

[2:37:17] >> An inch and a half was uh 125

[2:37:23] or 135 and then the 2 inch went up to

[2:37:26] like 22 and that included the meter, but

[2:37:30] she's putting 25.

[2:37:31] >> That included the meter.

[2:37:33] >> Yes. the one in that comes with it a

[2:37:37] meter because the meters are yeah 8,000

[2:37:41] for a 4 in but for like a 2 in it was

[2:37:44] like $1300 or something.

[2:37:48] >> So they us000 but we actually called

[2:37:52] their supper and we could buy it for

[2:37:58] » but I think yeah I just don't this

[2:38:01] coming year I don't with this

[2:38:13] Yeah, I don't think anyone get

[2:38:14] everything sorted out. We may end up

[2:38:16] reducing

[2:38:18] two

[2:38:20] money.

[2:38:23] » We can't run I've done the math on

[2:38:28] at 70 lb 70 PSI. We cannot pull enough

[2:38:32] water into our sprinklers.

[2:38:41] [clears throat]

[2:38:44] Yes.

[2:38:46] Okay, now where are we at?

[2:38:48] >> Okay,

[2:38:50] >> wants to go home.

[2:38:54] » I didn't bring Diet Coke today either.

[2:38:56] [laughter]

[2:39:00] » Okay, so that means we're

[2:39:04] at 137.

[2:39:09] Do you want to trim back that transfer

[2:39:11] then?

[2:39:13] And do you want to spend it on roads? Do

[2:39:15] you want to spend it on what do you

[2:39:17] want?

[2:39:17] >> What do you need done the best the most?

[2:39:21] >> The scariest thing we got those storm

[2:39:23] rain issues that just could fail

[2:39:25] anytime.

[2:39:28] >> The scariest things probably the sewer

[2:39:30] and we [clears throat]

[2:39:31] budgeted the best that we know right

[2:39:33] now. Roads is one of those things we

[2:39:36] could spend twice that. We won't get

[2:39:39] caught up as we're fixing it on this

[2:39:41] end.

[2:39:43] So,

[2:39:44] >> Rich, maybe we just I mean

[2:39:48] >> maybe if we get by a little bit

[2:39:52] >> this year, maybe another year or two and

[2:39:54] then get some other sources of income to

[2:39:57] help us start having a better projection

[2:39:59] in the future.

[2:40:01] >> Do we have money on there for the 5900

[2:40:04] project?

[2:40:07] >> So, we need money for that.

[2:40:10] >> We don't have money for the forest. If

[2:40:12] we end up doing a

[2:40:13] >> Oh, the forest main. Yes, we do.

[2:40:15] >> We have the million.

[2:40:16] >> That's in the sewer.

[2:40:18] >> Isn't 5900

[2:40:20] >> storm water?

[2:40:21] >> Oh, storm water. That's the We've got

[2:40:23] the 800.

[2:40:24] >> Yeah, that.

[2:40:26] >> Okay.

[2:40:26] So, yes, we do have that. Sorry.

[2:40:33] » Remember that's that one we talked

[2:40:34] about.

[2:40:38] So, but well, we don't have to make that

[2:40:42] decision this moment. Let's go look at

[2:40:45] these other things.

[2:40:46] >> Yeah,

[2:40:46] >> we'll make a decision.

[2:40:48] >> Okay,

[2:40:49] >> that sound like a good idea. We'll come

[2:40:50] back to it.

[2:40:52] Okay, but we do have 137.

[2:40:57] >> So, okay, let's let's do the easy one

[2:41:02] for the moment. Let's do garbage.

[2:41:05] [laughter]

[2:41:06] 13.

[2:41:13] » Yeah, we have 100

[2:41:14] >> but we're pulling out of savings in

[2:41:16] other words. So,

[2:41:18] >> no.

[2:41:26] » I mean, is it better to have, you know,

[2:41:28] you said we were like at 19%.

[2:41:31] We can only be at 19% of our general

[2:41:34] fund balance.

[2:41:35] We can be 5 to 30,

[2:41:37] >> but are we better to stay at 19? Are we

[2:41:39] better to go to 25? What would you

[2:41:41] recommend? Is there a difference with

[2:41:44] interest rates we would get if the

[2:41:45] money's in one account versus another?

[2:41:48] >> If you're trying to get financing as far

[2:41:51] as bonding, the 25 is a good number. We

[2:41:54] usually recommend around 25 because that

[2:41:57] would be like your money that say you

[2:42:00] had a major catastrophe. I've gone

[2:42:02] through a FEMA event. it takes months

[2:42:04] and months and years to get their money

[2:42:06] back. So that would be the money that

[2:42:09] would get you through and that type of

[2:42:11] thing.

[2:42:13] >> So 25% is definitely, you know, a better

[2:42:17] route to be in.

[2:42:19] Um that's usually a good happy place.

[2:42:22] >> So we may not have that 100

[2:42:26] >> 37 to transfer out if we tried to get to

[2:42:29] the 25%.

[2:42:32] >> Okay.

[2:42:32] >> Kind of

[2:42:36] What's that?

[2:42:42] » That's really

[2:42:43] >> That's about it. We had to get a tornado

[2:42:45] through here which is

[2:42:46] >> I was going to say wind. That was the

[2:42:48] one I experienced with Cisville. Thought

[2:42:50] I'd never see it and it was

[2:42:52] catastrophic.

[2:42:54] Of course, we had a water a power

[2:42:55] department which was a whole another fun

[2:42:57] thing. Yeah.

[2:42:59] >> Well, let's keep that in mind because we

[2:43:00] may want to be at the 25% rather than

[2:43:03] the 19 and not necessarily transfer that

[2:43:06] money out.

[2:43:06] >> That's true.

[2:43:07] >> May not be. [cough and clears throat]

[2:43:11] » Now, keep in mind if you do have the

[2:43:13] money in the capital projects fund and

[2:43:15] something catastrophic happen, there's

[2:43:17] nothing saying you can't take the money

[2:43:18] from the capital projects fund and use

[2:43:20] that for that catastrophic event. So

[2:43:24] it's not like, you know, by putting it

[2:43:25] into couple projects, you're losing it

[2:43:27] either.

[2:43:28] >> So

[2:43:28] >> it's usable and transferable.

[2:43:31] >> Yeah. Exactly.

[2:43:34] But part of why I do that five-year um

[2:43:38] projection is because the state auditor

[2:43:40] doesn't want you to just put tons and

[2:43:42] tons of money in there and sit it there.

[2:43:44] They want to say, do you have some plans

[2:43:46] for it? you you know what are kind of

[2:43:50] excuse me your intentions with it going

[2:43:52] forward that we're not just you know

[2:43:54] unlimited funds. So okay

[2:44:01] let's look at garbage cuz our that's an

[2:44:04] easy one for a moment. Get our brains a

[2:44:06] moment restify

[2:44:09] one thing.

[2:44:10] >> Yeah absolutely.

[2:44:11] >> What did we decide to do with the

[2:44:13] utility bill?

[2:44:17] as far as going paperless.

[2:44:19] [cough and clears throat]

[2:44:24] » Yeah,

[2:44:25] >> you know, we talked about it in staff

[2:44:26] meeting and we have enough paper bills

[2:44:29] to last till the end of the year. But as

[2:44:32] we talked about it, but even if we went

[2:44:34] to paperless like in July, we still need

[2:44:36] to keep some for those residents that

[2:44:38] want to if we do that want to opt in

[2:44:41] still to getting a paper bill.

[2:44:43] >> So the option

[2:44:46] [snorts] dollar.

[2:44:51] And maybe one thing on garbage is so the Weaver transfer station is planning

[2:44:58] on staying open for at least one more

[2:45:00] year. But they told us they are going to

[2:45:02] be sending an interlocal agreement to

[2:45:04] us. They do not want us to sign that for

[2:45:06] more than a one year because after the

[2:45:09] one year they will re-evaluate and then

[2:45:11] try to see what they can what we can do.

[2:45:16] >> So I don't know what the fee will be if

[2:45:18] it'll go up.

[2:45:20] Historically it has gone up a little bit

[2:45:22] each year. So

[2:45:24] >> absolutely need that open.

[2:45:32] » Yeah. Yeah. Why not? I got the lowest

[2:45:35] place in John

[2:45:38] >> actually.

[2:45:41] [clears throat]

[2:45:44] » You're close.

[2:45:45] >> And the tipping fee

[2:45:48] was a set price.

[2:45:50] >> Well, tipping fee, they haven't given it

[2:45:52] to us yet, but we're assuming if it goes

[2:45:55] up as much this year. They had talked

[2:45:57] once about having it be go down a little

[2:46:00] bit. That's when they were trying to

[2:46:01] negotiate with some of the

[2:46:04] companies to come back to. There's only

[2:46:07] one actually that

[2:46:10] so we don't know that yet, but that's

[2:46:12] probably a fair estimate and I think we

[2:46:14] might get that at our Monday meeting.

[2:46:17] >> So the $12,000 increase

[2:46:20] >> is an estimate.

[2:46:22] >> 22,500

[2:46:24] increase for the contract is a given.

[2:46:27] >> That was the percentage he gave us.

[2:46:36] So everybody

[2:46:47] just

[2:46:50] person

[2:46:52] [laughter]

[2:46:54] >> well you know it is going to take one

[2:46:56] staff meeting we there is going to be

[2:46:59] some staff work to do that.

[2:47:03] >> I don't know how to get around it with

[2:47:04] our demographic. It's like there are

[2:47:05] certain people that say, "I don't have

[2:47:07] email. I don't I don't want to pay."

[2:47:08] >> Well, that's just it. We're always

[2:47:10] punishing those people that don't have

[2:47:11] the convenience of all that stuff.

[2:47:16] So, here's your dollar fee because you

[2:47:17] can't

[2:47:18] >> I see what you're saying. I guess I

[2:47:19] didn't understand that. I thought we

[2:47:20] were it was going to cost us an

[2:47:22] additional dollar.

[2:47:24] >> No, we charge a dollar.

[2:47:28] » The reason for

[2:47:31] We figure it's costing us a dollar. By

[2:47:33] the time you email it, you get it 20,000

[2:47:36] a year to

[2:47:38] >> see what's funny is I've seen companies

[2:47:40] do the opposite. Charge a convenience

[2:47:41] fee for online meal pay and electronic

[2:47:44] things.

[2:47:45] >> So they don't they charge you less for

[2:47:49] charge convenience fee to do everything

[2:47:50] online. And we do have the thought that

[2:47:52] we could instead of charging

[2:47:55] [clears throat] the fee, the paper fee,

[2:47:57] we could charge a credit card fee.

[2:48:01] People are doing it.

[2:48:03] >> People do it.

[2:48:04] >> People are familiar with that,

[2:48:05] >> right?

[2:48:06] >> A credit card fee would make more sense

[2:48:07] because that's actually

[2:48:10] charged.

[2:48:10] >> Yeah.

[2:48:11] >> Do we want to look at that route

[2:48:13] instead?

[2:48:16] >> We're eating right now.

[2:48:19] >> We are eating. I mean in his budget we

[2:48:21] are eating banking fees and I'm I'm

[2:48:22] interested if you ever looked at are we

[2:48:24] is it outrageous you know because I was

[2:48:26] looking at some of the other budgets and

[2:48:28] we had a lot more one year than others

[2:48:30] but we are we have multiple banking fees

[2:48:32] from different departments that I wonder

[2:48:36] >> we could definitely look at it I mean I

[2:48:38] know we pay a fee for express and we pay

[2:48:41] a fee for the credit card system um you

[2:48:45] know the thought process is is if you do

[2:48:48] use like credit processing center like

[2:48:52] Express. It it goes right into Cassell

[2:48:55] and it's literally a couple steps as

[2:48:57] opposed to hand putting in all those

[2:48:59] payments

[2:49:01] which so it makes sense to have that

[2:49:03] instead of having to hire an additional

[2:49:05] person as the thought process or a

[2:49:06] part-time person or something. So, you

[2:49:09] don't want to, you know, do that. And

[2:49:11] also, we do get a lesser fee for using

[2:49:16] um credit cards because we are a

[2:49:18] municipality.

[2:49:19] What that fee is, I'm not sure at the

[2:49:22] moment because it's been so long.

[2:49:24] >> Do we get benefits like points for the

[2:49:26] city or anything?

[2:49:27] >> No.

[2:49:29] I'm just saying we're using credit.

[2:49:31] I mean, they they're charging us

[2:49:32] something interesting.

[2:49:36] >> Yeah. So, I mean, we definitely could

[2:49:38] charge a processing fee instead of a

[2:49:41] paper, you know, go the processing fee

[2:49:43] instead of the paper fee.

[2:49:44] >> How many people do we figure paid by

[2:49:46] credit card?

[2:49:47] >> I'd have to figure it out. I bet you at

[2:49:49] least more than half. Huh.

[2:49:51] [clears throat and cough]

[2:49:52] You save probably more pay than half pay

[2:49:54] by credit card.

[2:49:57] >> But you know me, I'm a tight w though.

[2:50:00] If they charge me a 3% fee, I pay with

[2:50:03] my debit card instead of my credit card,

[2:50:05] you know. [laughter]

[2:50:07] That's a big chance. I have several

[2:50:09] businesses that I deal with that don't

[2:50:10] want to pay the credit card fee, so

[2:50:12] they'll take a check.

[2:50:13] >> Yeah. But yeah, if you know somebody

[2:50:17] uh offers me to pay with my credit card

[2:50:19] and I'm going to get the Sky,

[2:50:20] >> we do charge a dollar transaction that

[2:50:23] we do take whether it's debit or credit.

[2:50:26] So there's a dollar every time.

[2:50:29] >> Okay.

[2:50:29] >> Anything over 200, we charge 3%.

[2:50:32] >> Okay. So you are charging

[2:50:34] >> an If people pay that way, is there

[2:50:38] already a fee built into?

[2:50:39] >> I don't know. We have to ask. I don't

[2:50:41] know. Like if I was to go on and pay my

[2:50:43] >> If I go on and pay my bill through

[2:50:45] express does the city get charged?

[2:50:48] >> Oh, yes. Yes, the city does get charged.

[2:50:50] >> Just do we is that per bill or is that

[2:50:53] per our service with express?

[2:50:55] >> I think it's per amount like a

[2:50:58] percentage of what I think. Don't quote

[2:51:01] me on that. I'd have to research it. I

[2:51:03] know that's what it used to. We really

[2:51:05] should be passing that on if we're

[2:51:07] having to

[2:51:08] >> Yeah, there's a processing

[2:51:10] that charging would have to be charged

[2:51:13] to this. They're not

[2:51:15] >> like for example, our merchant fees. I

[2:51:18] did estimate about $10,000 just for um

[2:51:22] garbage. That's and I allocate that each

[2:51:25] month based upon our billing. So, I take

[2:51:27] all of our fees that were charged for

[2:51:31] um merchant, uh bank, any of those fees,

[2:51:35] and I take and I take the total and then

[2:51:38] I say this is how much we build for each

[2:51:39] of those services. What's the percentage

[2:51:41] of [clears throat] the total and

[2:51:43] allocate it out?

[2:51:44] >> So, it could be 30 $40,000 total.

[2:51:46] >> Yeah. I mean, if you look at 10,000

[2:51:48] there, then your storm water

[2:51:52] is paying where's our merchant?

[2:51:55] right there. Three three two three,000

[2:52:01] and then we go to

[2:52:05] sewer

[2:52:06] probably the highest.

[2:52:08] >> Yeah. 23ish 20 23 around there,

[2:52:15] >> you know. And then I don't get keep any

[2:52:17] in the general fund because

[2:52:19] >> it really doesn't make sense to keep any

[2:52:21] in the general fun.

[2:52:22] >> Keep it like it is or decide to charge

[2:52:24] to We're covering our cost or we build

[2:52:26] in a little maybe we build in a little

[2:52:29] bit for every bill whether they get we

[2:52:32] mail it or we do it credit card so it

[2:52:34] covers all of it or are we already

[2:52:37] building in some

[2:52:41] >> thought process is that this their cost

[2:52:45] per can is more because

[2:52:50] >> you've already added

[2:52:51] >> yeah we've already got those merchant

[2:52:52] fees here so it would just be basically

[2:52:55] saying you you're using that

[2:52:57] [clears throat] service now we're

[2:52:58] charging you for that service built that

[2:53:00] way in

[2:53:02] >> and that's fair and we also have

[2:53:04] supplies and postage built in

[2:53:07] >> we did decrease supplies and postage by

[2:53:10] 6 thou by about yeah about 10,000

[2:53:14] >> because we were doing this

[2:53:16] >> I wish [laughter]

[2:53:18] >> so you know I mean if we're not going to

[2:53:20] do paper bills then I would say we

[2:53:22] probably need to up that back to about

[2:53:25] 16. Probably 15ish.

[2:53:29] >> Oh, maybe about 14.

[2:53:32] >> Five. Let's do 145.

[2:53:34] >> How much have we spent so far this year?

[2:53:36] Is that the 135?

[2:53:38] >> Uhhuh.

[2:53:39] >> Well, we spent 1000

[2:53:41] >> this year.

[2:53:42] >> So, we should be open.

[2:53:44] >> Yeah. So, if we did the 145, but we're

[2:53:46] going to lose that there. So, then what

[2:53:50] do you want to I mean, I guess we could

[2:53:53] figure

[2:53:54] out of this and this times it by 003 you

[2:53:59] did a 3%

[2:54:02] that calculated wrong

[2:54:06] we just found a bunch of money dang

[2:54:09] charge that right so if you charge 3%

[2:54:14] >> and then maybe

[2:54:16] said half the people

[2:54:20] >> 1%

[2:54:22] >> you need a dump and just let people go

[2:54:24] take it themselves.

[2:54:26] >> That's right.

[2:54:28] >> So, you only get $4,000.

[2:54:31] >> What's our expenses?

[2:54:33] >> Our expenses

[2:54:35] >> 876.

[2:54:36] >> Yeah. Your your deficit $11,000.

[2:54:42] >> Salaries and wages.

[2:54:43] >> Yeah. You're down you're negative

[2:54:46] 11,000.

[2:54:47] >> Okay. 2%.

[2:54:48] >> 2%. Okay.

[2:54:50] >> We can't go in the hall.

[2:54:51] >> No. the point we don't want to go.

[2:54:54] >> Next year we go further in the hole.

[2:54:56] >> So now we're now we're we almost need to

[2:54:59] go to 3%.

[2:55:05] » And we're still

[2:55:06] >> we're still 2,800 negative but you know.

[2:55:12] >> So what about the idea of billing every

[2:55:15] other month? Anybody like that idea?

[2:55:24] I'm just thinking of uh for the younger

[2:55:28] for me it'd be great

[2:55:32] and that but the younger generation

[2:55:35] [clears throat]

[2:55:37] » yeah they I don't think they teach that

[2:55:39] anymore and I think

[2:55:41] >> there is a teacher

[2:55:45] » and part of the problem is they do shut

[2:55:47] offs and they they really have only

[2:55:48] started doing them what is it every

[2:55:50] other month or every

[2:55:52] But even with that, because of the price

[2:55:55] of what our utilities are now,

[2:55:57] >> if we did, people would be in the shut

[2:56:00] off every other because you missed one

[2:56:01] time paying.

[2:56:04] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[2:56:07] >> Okay.

[2:56:09] >> But I think you're right. For a lot of

[2:56:11] us, that would work great.

[2:56:16] » Can I sh that camera at you while you do

[2:56:18] that? You didn't give support. The lack

[2:56:21] of work on this end would mean more work

[2:56:22] on this end

[2:56:24] >> basically.

[2:56:24] >> Yeah, I think I think you're right.

[2:56:26] >> Very good thought.

[2:56:28] >> How did our benefits increase? So or was

[2:56:29] it just

[2:56:30] >> are we expecting a much higher benefits?

[2:56:33] >> What we did is so I always try to um

[2:56:38] budget [clears throat] for our benefits

[2:56:41] based on worst case scenario.

[2:56:43] Um not saying that last year it got

[2:56:46] budgeted that way or not.

[2:56:50] But that would be kind of my worst case

[2:56:52] scenario

[2:56:53] >> cuz our actual 6700

[2:57:00] » my screen just went

[2:57:02] >> for 26

[2:57:08] » I can't

[2:57:10] I know one time

[2:57:12] >> can't explain to me is you don't know if

[2:57:14] it's going to be as far as insurance if

[2:57:16] it's a single family if

[2:57:18] I mean a single person a family plan. So

[2:57:21] you try to always budget in for a family

[2:57:24] plan in case

[2:57:26] >> we are paying for the family.

[2:57:33] » Sure.

[2:57:36] » Yeah. I'm just curious because you know

[2:57:39] our actual 6755

[2:57:41] >> and our budget is 9,000.

[2:57:45] So that

[2:57:46] >> well the six

[2:57:49] >> but that's for just 9 months be up to

[2:57:52] about 9400 for the year.

[2:57:55] >> Yeah. So I'm just wondering what makes

[2:57:57] us think that our benefits are going to

[2:57:59] >> go up to another question.

[2:58:02] >> Our insurance cost did go up

[2:58:05] >> price of

[2:58:07] [clears throat]

[2:58:08] seven%.

[2:58:09] >> Is that all?

[2:58:14] » I have no idea.

[2:58:16] >> Okay. Yeah, it was one of the worsters

[2:58:19] in a few years.

[2:58:22] which I imag.

[2:58:32] » Yeah, I think so.

[2:58:34] >> Yeah, let's take a break for a minute.

[2:58:36] >> Okay. Do we have to pause this or do we

[2:58:38] just say we're taking a break?

[2:58:41] >> Start back.

[2:58:42] >> We're back.

[2:58:48] Are we implementing?

[2:58:53] » I think you might as well.

[2:58:55] >> What's your thoughts?

[2:58:59] » We did already include merchant fees,

[2:59:01] didn't we?

[2:59:03] >> We have

[2:59:09] » No, I mean I think we're already

[2:59:11] including merchant fees in there.

[2:59:14] So, do we want to take out the merchant

[2:59:17] fees and just add it to each individual

[2:59:18] because I think we already have

[2:59:20] >> Hold [clears throat] on. Just a second.

[2:59:21] I'm trying to get

[2:59:23] >> Okay, there we go.

[2:59:30] » So, if we did merchant fees, we did

[2:59:34] um So, if we're going to do credit card

[2:59:37] processing

[2:59:41] fee,

[2:59:45] And I estimated about 13

[2:59:48] with a 3%.

[2:59:51] Then that still just puts us 2,000 in

[2:59:53] the hole, 2,800 in the hole, which I

[2:59:56] don't have a problem with because you

[2:59:57] may have some new group new moveins. And

[3:00:01] >> is that in addition to the merchant fees

[3:00:03] that we already have in there?

[3:00:05] >> Yeah, the that line right there.

[3:00:07] >> Well, the merchant fees is right there.

[3:00:10] >> That's what we're paying.

[3:00:13] we would collect 13.

[3:00:16] >> So I guess really that should offset one

[3:00:18] another.

[3:00:21] » But you'd have to implement that

[3:00:23] somehow.

[3:00:24] >> I think you have to just tell everybody

[3:00:26] we're going to charge a 3% processing

[3:00:29] fee on any credit card.

[3:00:33] >> Maybe not debit card, but just credit

[3:00:35] card.

[3:00:35] >> And is that with express bill pay too?

[3:00:37] For all those people that have signed up

[3:00:39] for express bill pay would pay that.

[3:00:43] anytime we process a credit card.

[3:00:48] >> So, so we're trying to just not make

[3:00:49] this a billing nightmare because that

[3:00:52] was the problem with charging with the

[3:00:54] paper bills. So, we'll have to go into

[3:00:57] express bill pay and everybody that's on

[3:01:00] that I'm not

[3:01:01] >> I think we just call express bill pay.

[3:01:04] >> Okay.

[3:01:06] [clears throat and snorts]

[3:01:08] [cough]

[3:01:12] Yeah.

[3:01:14] >> Charge 2% just pass.

[3:01:16] >> Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat]

[3:01:17] >> I agree.

[3:01:20] >> So, whatever. We'll find out for sure

[3:01:22] what percentage

[3:01:24] >> and we'll just charge that percentage.

[3:01:26] >> Express

[3:01:30] is an exact 2% because I know on our

[3:01:32] credit card fees that there's like every

[3:01:35] debit card's just 25 cents and then

[3:01:38] there's a percent

[3:01:40] regular credit card. If it's a rewards

[3:01:44] card, then it goes up a percent or so

[3:01:48] and then American Express is clear up

[3:01:50] there 3.75%.

[3:01:53] >> I think you'd basically just have to

[3:01:55] take the average

[3:01:58] >> is what you

[3:02:00] close to that 3%

[3:02:02] >> probably. But we do get a discount

[3:02:03] because we're a city, but it may not be

[3:02:06] >> enough. Yeah.

[3:02:09] So, okay.

[3:02:12] Like I said, 20 2,800 loss. We could

[3:02:16] have new move in [clears throat] and

[3:02:18] make that up easy. So, I'm not too

[3:02:21] worried about as long as we're getting

[3:02:23] pretty close.

[3:02:24] >> Yeah.

[3:02:24] And that's what the point is of

[3:02:26] that garbage

[3:02:27] >> is for that.

[3:02:29] >> Okay. Everybody good with garbage?

[3:02:32] >> What did we decide the rates are then?

[3:02:34] The rates are going to be 8.75 for

[3:02:37] recycling, 15 for garbage, an additional

[3:02:40] count would be 1125.

[3:02:42] >> So on our current schedule, our first

[3:02:45] garbage count is 1550 right now, not

[3:02:48] 1350.

[3:02:51] So we'd be decreasing all of our next

[3:02:54] >> on your fee schedule. It's 1550.

[3:02:57] >> Way to go.

[3:02:58] >> Additional 1050. Recycling is 950.

[3:03:05] That's what we're building right now is

[3:03:07] 15 59 10.

[3:03:09] >> Well, where did I get those other

[3:03:10] numbers from? My goodness.

[3:03:13] >> I don't know.

[3:03:14] >> Question.

[3:03:15] >> That's a wonderful question.

[3:03:19] Well, maybe we just keep them the same.

[3:03:23] » I'm game with that. [clears throat]

[3:03:27] » And will that account then if the

[3:03:29] garbage goes up?

[3:03:34] cost$50,000.

[3:03:36] [cough and clears throat]

[3:03:38] » Yeah. Okay. So,

[3:03:51] Did

[3:04:01] » you find that, Larry?

[3:04:04] >> It's on page four.

[3:04:06] >> Page four

[3:04:09] under utility billing. Yellow.

[3:04:17] » [snorts]

[3:04:23] » So if we do

[3:04:33] » Okay. So if we maintained

[3:04:39] » Yeah.

[3:04:41] Dang. You're good, Morgan.

[3:04:44] >> [laughter]

[3:04:53] [snorts]

[3:04:54] >> Let's make sure that's right because if

[3:04:55] we could have those not go out when

[3:04:57] we're doing the

[3:05:00] taxation that would be great.

[3:05:04] [cough]

[3:05:04] [clears throat]

[3:05:05] >> How long we stay the same amount?

[3:05:09] >> Yeah.

[3:05:10] I don't know.

[3:05:15] » [snorts]

[3:05:23] » voodoo.

[3:05:38] » Yeah, I'm looking actually at those

[3:05:39] numbers.

[3:05:42] I have them right here. I just have to

[3:05:44] pull it up.

[3:05:57] » I can get my password right. Okay. So

[3:06:02] recycling one can or garbage one can

[3:06:05] garbage two can five can three can four

[3:06:09] can and five can

[3:06:11] [sighs]

[3:06:18] [clears throat]

[3:06:22] snip this

[3:06:33] here.

[3:06:35] So,

[3:06:38] this is how many we build out just last

[3:06:41] month.

[3:06:44] So, regular garbage cans

[3:06:49] 1404.

[3:06:51] If they have two cans, then it's 1240 +

[3:06:55] 1240, right?

[3:06:59] [snorts]

[3:07:04] » Mhm.

[3:07:07] » Yeah. I'd argue they have more than

[3:07:10] five.

[3:07:16] » I thought it was it doesn't get rid of

[3:07:18] weeds.

[3:07:20] >> It depends what you feed.

[3:07:24] Everybody tells me all the time

[3:07:28] destroy the seeds.

[3:07:34] » I don't get what type of manure is the

[3:07:37] best.

[3:07:38] >> Don't tell me that. [laughter]

[3:07:42] >> I have some chickens.

[3:07:45] >> I think Ryan's got me on speed though.

[3:07:51] Okay. So, Morgan, if they have two cans,

[3:07:54] they only get build just that two can

[3:07:56] amount though, right? There, right?

[3:07:59] >> Yeah. The 1550 plus 1050.

[3:08:02] >> Yeah. But,

[3:08:04] so really 1,240

[3:08:07] people have a can.

[3:08:10] >> And so, if I'm doing just the regular

[3:08:12] count, I'd do 1 1440 12 40

[3:08:19] 7152.

[3:08:22] So that's really the amount that we have

[3:08:25] of units.

[3:08:27] And then for the second can,

[3:08:31] you really have

[3:08:34] 1240 + 217 + 117

[3:08:38] + 15 + 15 + 15 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2.

[3:08:50] » [cough and clears throat]

[3:08:51] >> I trust you.

[3:08:52] >> I wouldn't trust me. [laughter]

[3:08:56] » Recycling,

[3:08:58] >> we just have 1219.

[3:09:01] >> So, this was last month's billings, how

[3:09:03] many we sent out.

[3:09:06] >> So, if we stay at that rate,

[3:09:10] >> we're actually 33 negative.

[3:09:13] So Ryan, if I look at last month's

[3:09:16] billing and put in the amount of units,

[3:09:19] if I put in those rates there, keep the

[3:09:22] same. We're at 33 negative.

[3:09:24] >> That makes sense.

[3:09:25] >> Or we can't.

[3:09:26] >> That's what we just You're exactly

[3:09:27] right.

[3:09:28] >> $30,000.

[3:09:29] >> Yeah.

[3:09:33] » So what if we went to what if we did

[3:09:36] this route? Um

[3:09:39] just a thought process here.

[3:09:43] >> [clears throat]

[3:09:51] » up to everything 50 cents.

[3:09:53] >> You're there.

[3:09:54] >> Yeah.

[3:09:55] >> Everything Everything 50 cents. That's

[3:09:58] not a bad increase.

[3:09:59] >> No, that sounds okay, don't you think?

[3:10:01] >> Yeah. I mean, we're getting

[3:10:02] >> We have to cover.

[3:10:05] >> Everybody else is doing I mean,

[3:10:07] >> we're just passing on the cost.

[3:10:10] >> Not We're not making money on this

[3:10:12] stuff.

[3:10:12] >> Yeah, I pulled this report meaning to

[3:10:14] burn it off before I came in.

[3:10:15] >> You can't lose money, especially if

[3:10:17] we're gonna put the stuff over in

[3:10:19] Larry's backyard. [laughter]

[3:10:24] » Okay.

[3:10:26] >> And did we build in a little bit

[3:10:28] increase for the tipping fee in case we

[3:10:30] did?

[3:10:31] >> Um, for the tipping fee, we did increase

[3:10:33] it a little bit. About 5% is all we did.

[3:10:36] >> That sounds good.

[3:10:37] >> I don't know that it will, but it's

[3:10:38] always better to go Yeah, definitely.

[3:10:42] And if we end up with excess, I don't

[3:10:44] have a problem not increasing so much

[3:10:45] the following year.

[3:10:46] >> Yeah.

[3:10:47] >> You know, so

[3:10:49] >> Okay, ready Jared?

[3:10:52] >> Sure.

[3:10:53] >> Here is our storm water.

[3:10:57] >> We have that 5900 West project.

[3:11:02] >> And is it still 880? [clears throat] Are

[3:11:05] we still thinking 880 is going to cover

[3:11:06] it?

[3:11:07] >> Yeah.

[3:11:08] >> Heard rumors.

[3:11:11] that it wasn't going to cover it.

[3:11:13] >> I think it'll be

[3:11:15] less than that, but then with inflation

[3:11:18] from when those were calculated, I just

[3:11:21] >> Okay.

[3:11:22] >> So, it's less is what's it less

[3:11:28] >> I think the 880. So, we just put a

[3:11:30] projected

[3:11:32] amount together and it included some

[3:11:34] things that we really won't write a

[3:11:36] check for like mobilization. They're

[3:11:38] part of

[3:11:39] project, but that's probably there's

[3:11:42] going to be other costs that go over.

[3:11:44] So, I would say just leave it there.

[3:11:49] The answer really is kind of just a

[3:11:51] rough guess. We don't know for sure and

[3:11:53] we've got to get comm

[3:12:18] » water protection program

[3:12:21] know a lot about that.

[3:12:23] >> You know why?

[3:12:25] >> Guess who the guy is at.

[3:12:29] [laughter]

[3:12:31] >> So if you got questions, feel free to

[3:12:33] call it.

[3:12:40] If it work, if everything works out like

[3:12:42] it was supposed to, he'll do all of the

[3:12:44] labor equipment and labor and we justify

[3:12:48] the gra.

[3:12:50] >> Okay. So, with our storm water, we had

[3:12:53] talked about doing from 8 to up from six

[3:12:57] up to eight as the price. Um, with that,

[3:13:04] um, I just filled in 4,200 for a

[3:13:06] processing fee for the credit cards. did

[3:13:09] the 3% calculation there.

[3:13:13] Um, we've got some maintenance, some

[3:13:15] engineering fees, um, sweeping you have

[3:13:19] to have thanks to SWIP. Uh, your storm

[3:13:22] drain pumps. Um, a little bit

[3:13:24] maintenance, salaries and wages,

[3:13:27] benefits. Um, we don't have any

[3:13:30] training, but I believe isn't the

[3:13:33] coalition free. We could send somebody

[3:13:37] >> does some training. that in the

[3:13:39] engineering as well. So,

[3:13:42] >> okay. Okay. So, with that 880, we're at

[3:13:46] a deficit of 620.

[3:13:48] Sounds really yucky, but here's the real

[3:13:51] yucky part.

[3:13:53] >> It's worse.

[3:13:54] >> Oh, yeah. I can make it worse.

[3:13:56] [laughter]

[3:13:57] Um, your fund balance at the end of

[3:13:59] fiscal year 25 was 8.65 65 with our

[3:14:02] income for this year minus our expenses

[3:14:05] for this year

[3:14:07] [clears throat] brings your fund balance

[3:14:08] to 811.

[3:14:10] Your income for next year, your expenses

[3:14:13] for next year makes our fund balance at

[3:14:15] 191.

[3:14:16] >> So in three years we're exhausting our

[3:14:18] fund balance.

[3:14:19] >> Um pretty much in one year we're

[3:14:21] exhausting our fund balance because of

[3:14:24] that $880,000 project.

[3:14:27] You do have the option that you could

[3:14:30] take some of the money that you just

[3:14:32] saved with your capital projects and

[3:14:35] transfer it to here. You can transfer

[3:14:38] from general fund to an enterprise fund.

[3:14:43] that as an option or you can accept the

[3:14:46] fact that you do this and you will not

[3:14:49] be able to fund any additional storm

[3:14:51] water projects

[3:14:54] and you better hope nothing falls in

[3:14:56] that the general fund can't pick up for

[3:14:58] you.

[3:15:00] >> I might have missed it. Did you already

[3:15:01] have in here that all that we have to do

[3:15:04] for the audit? We had all those

[3:15:07] >> that's part of that engineering I

[3:15:08] believe is what we built that sweeping

[3:15:11] was part of it. Wasn't

[3:15:13] Is that including everything that we had

[3:15:15] to get done as far as the

[3:15:17] >> I think we've done everything but the

[3:15:19] mapping

[3:15:20] >> which it sounds like Larry's saving us a

[3:15:22] bunch on that.

[3:15:24] Good job.

[3:15:29] » Yeah. Yeah. I It's way too much.

[3:15:33] >> That golf cart's a savior.

[3:15:38] [laughter]

[3:15:40] >> Um so we we would end up with just 191

[3:15:44] with capital projects.

[3:15:47] We had excess of 137. So we could

[3:15:51] transfer that over. That part of that

[3:15:54] big um push why we did the uh impact

[3:15:58] fees studies is because part of that

[3:16:02] will help us here. We had 120 here that

[3:16:05] we spent on that. Hoping that we can get

[3:16:07] some impact fees coming in here, but we

[3:16:10] don't know what those will be yet.

[3:16:14] >> So

[3:16:14] >> right now we don't have any impact fees.

[3:16:16] If we delete it down to 191,000, what's

[3:16:19] going to happen in 28?

[3:16:21] >> Well, 28,

[3:16:24] >> we would have an additional income of

[3:16:27] 280.

[3:16:29] >> So, plus these this 165 is one time

[3:16:34] money that we still have kind of sitting

[3:16:36] there, but we said, "Okay, well, we'll

[3:16:37] have to spend it."

[3:16:38] >> So, it'll start to replenish.

[3:16:40] >> Mhm. It will start to replenish

[3:16:42] >> as long as nothing major comes in two or

[3:16:44] three years.

[3:16:44] >> Yeah.

[3:16:46] There's that's probably our biggest

[3:16:49] neglected utility.

[3:16:52] Some of these old

[3:16:55] no exaggeration 60 70 80 years and

[3:16:58] they're starting to decay

[3:16:59] >> in front of my house.

[3:17:02] >> Your boat's on the list.

[3:17:04] >> Well, it's sinking. Okay. In my front

[3:17:07] yard, I can guarantee you that pipe down

[3:17:10] there that was put in

[3:17:13] 62 years ago. There's one down by the

[3:17:15] cemetery that didn't you say is pretty

[3:17:17] well rusted through?

[3:17:18] >> Yeah, it is rusted right

[3:17:21] there on 51 the same when it crosses

[3:17:25] again. We patch that same pole every

[3:17:27] year.

[3:17:30] » So those two things right there just

[3:17:33] like I mean just throwing a rough off

[3:17:35] the cuff number those could be million

[3:17:36] dollar projects to put that big of a box

[3:17:39] culbert all the way across the road

[3:17:41] [clears throat]

[3:17:42] temp all the utilities and get them back

[3:17:44] across there. It could be a big

[3:17:47] expensive project.

[3:17:49] >> So, the moral of the story is we're

[3:17:51] going to have to somehow fund the storm

[3:17:54] water fund

[3:17:56] with additional funds, maybe possibly

[3:17:59] from the general fund unless anybody's

[3:18:01] got any other great ideas.

[3:18:04] >> One thing too to kind of think about

[3:18:06] with Storm Drain,

[3:18:08] um we're pretty good at getting the

[3:18:10] developers as they come along to do

[3:18:12] their part.

[3:18:14] They're dumping their new infrastructure

[3:18:16] into stuff that's really old. And when

[3:18:19] we increase that flow after two or three

[3:18:23] subdivisions, we need to do some work on

[3:18:25] the existing. And we've never really had

[3:18:27] the ability to do that.

[3:18:30] >> It isn't their it isn't necessarily

[3:18:33] their obligation to take it all the way

[3:18:35] to the discharge point. If they're

[3:18:37] dumping it into a slooh or a ditch that

[3:18:39] exists, we should be upgrading those as

[3:18:42] we go.

[3:18:43] I think that's where that impact fee

[3:18:45] when we get that in. We can't use that

[3:18:47] >> if it increases capacity. So the big

[3:18:50] thing with that is you would have to say

[3:18:52] okay what would it cost us to just

[3:18:55] replace that item? Okay. Now what is the

[3:19:01] increased capacity portion? And usually

[3:19:03] your engineers will calculate that and

[3:19:06] they'll say

[3:19:06] >> be a huge amount of increase though.

[3:19:08] Does it?

[3:19:09] >> No. No. I mean, you could go from an 8

[3:19:11] in pipe to a 10in pipe, just to throw an

[3:19:14] example out. And the additional cost to

[3:19:16] move it to 10 in would be impact be

[3:19:19] eligible. The 8 in would not. So, it's

[3:19:22] increased capacity. It's not the whole

[3:19:24] project, just the portion that increases

[3:19:26] capacity.

[3:19:28] So, that's the best way to explain

[3:19:30] those.

[3:19:31] >> Yeah. So, the downside is we haven't

[3:19:33] done that for so long.

[3:19:38] in it's $100, but to do the 10 in it's

[3:19:42] 300,000. So

[3:19:44] >> that's right.

[3:19:45] >> Sure. [laughter]

[3:19:48] >> You get the engineer to write it.

[3:19:51] [laughter]

[3:19:52] >> No, but I mean there might be there

[3:19:53] genuinely might be some larger scale

[3:19:56] cost because you're gonna, you know, you

[3:19:57] go to the bigger pup, you're going to

[3:19:58] bigger everything.

[3:19:59] >> Yeah. You got to dig the whole thing up.

[3:20:02] >> Yeah.

[3:20:03] So the thing is is I think the

[3:20:06] direction I need to know is do we want

[3:20:09] to just keep understand that we need I

[3:20:13] like8 $8 that's $2 more a month. That's

[3:20:17] not a huge amount. Is everybody okay

[3:20:20] with leaving that around there? Is that

[3:20:22] the direction I should go?

[3:20:23] >> So how much does it change if you go

[3:20:25] from 6 to 9?

[3:20:27] >> From 6 to 9 we can certainly figure that

[3:20:29] out.

[3:20:30] >> One thing while she's doing that so that

[3:20:32] project the 800,000.

[3:20:36] The only urgency I would say with that

[3:20:39] is if we lose the participation from the

[3:20:43] developer,

[3:20:44] >> then we're on the hook to fix the whole

[3:20:46] thing labor and pipe. So could

[3:20:50] essentially like double in cost if we

[3:20:52] lose the developer participation.

[3:20:54] >> How was that?

[3:20:56] >> Yeah. Is that contracted?

[3:21:02] Well, he's on his last phase.

[3:21:09] » This is Robert.

[3:21:10] >> He started his last phase now

[3:21:14] just

[3:21:16] >> but I mean that was his agreement. So is

[3:21:18] that contractual binding? I mean do we

[3:21:20] or was that just a handshake?

[3:21:22] >> No, it's in his developers.

[3:21:25] >> It's not

[3:21:27] % specific as far as he has some

[3:21:31] questions but Jared

[3:21:35] emails from Tracy Allen that pretty well

[3:21:37] solidify what he was he did he did bring

[3:21:39] up one point there's a portion of it

[3:21:41] that I don't think he's should be liable

[3:21:44] to supply the labor on that we may have

[3:21:48] to

[3:21:49] you know pay labor on

[3:21:53] and the benefit that that he got from

[3:21:57] What we didn't make him do far exceeds

[3:21:59] the cost that he gave the mayor that

[3:22:01] it's going to cost him to put the pipe

[3:22:03] in. So

[3:22:05] >> a lot

[3:22:11] Jared probably wouldn't have even

[3:22:13] [clears throat] worked.

[3:22:14] >> We couldn't get it to work. That's why

[3:22:15] we ended up doing that improvement.

[3:22:19] We could never get his detention bas.

[3:22:41] » If we went to nine, it's 311.

[3:22:44] That basically gives us 223.

[3:22:52] But I mean, are we doing too many?

[3:22:54] >> Yeah, that's what I'm think.

[3:22:57] But at the end, we're going to look at

[3:22:58] this and go, we just did $30.

[3:22:59] >> I got $2 this year next year.

[3:23:04] >> Okay, let's let's go that route then. I

[3:23:07] think that's going to be our better.

[3:23:11] And I mean eight is not

[3:23:15] I I haven't looked for a while but I

[3:23:17] know that eight is not out of line. So

[3:23:22] at the end of this school year 27 we're

[3:23:24] looking about 187 fund balances.

[3:23:27] >> Just so you're fully aware.

[3:23:28] >> Did you just go I thought I just said

[3:23:30] you just go 6 to8 and then you went six

[3:23:32] to eight again.

[3:23:36] I had it couple different

[3:23:40] >> but then when the next

[3:23:44] would go from eight if we up to two

[3:23:46] again

[3:23:49] >> but that being the following year. Yeah.

[3:23:51] And we'll address that when it comes

[3:23:52] down [clears throat] to the same

[3:24:01] » Okay. Okay. But just so you're aware,

[3:24:04] you know, that definitely is hurting on

[3:24:05] the fund balance. So basically, you

[3:24:08] know, we're not going to be able to plan

[3:24:09] any projects really out of there for a

[3:24:11] while is what I'm trying to get.

[3:24:13] >> But this is something we needed. So it's

[3:24:14] kind of one of those things, right?

[3:24:16] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's just one of those

[3:24:17] things, but I want the council full

[3:24:20] disclosure, you know,

[3:24:23] >> transfers fund.

[3:24:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's if we don't put any

[3:24:27] money into it from the fund.

[3:24:29] >> That's if we don't have any growth.

[3:24:31] >> Yeah.

[3:24:33] So

[3:24:35] >> that's my pessimistic

[3:24:38] >> approach. [laughter]

[3:24:39] >> Worst case scenario, we have a surplus

[3:24:40] of money is what I just said.

[3:24:42] >> Yeah.

[3:24:42] >> Even though

[3:24:44] [laughter] we're still not a project.

[3:24:46] >> Yeah.

[3:24:47] >> Yep.

[3:24:48] >> Okay.

[3:24:50] >> We'll get to the [clears throat] fun

[3:24:51] one. Jared, you ready for this one?

[3:24:54] >> Sure.

[3:24:57] [laughter]

[3:24:58] >> How'd you know, Ryan?

[3:25:02] lucky guess.

[3:25:08] » It is going to be

[3:25:13] » Let's start with five or

[3:25:16] >> Yeah,

[3:25:18] >> we're going to jump between four and

[3:25:20] five.

[3:25:23] >> You know, let's just start with section

[3:25:24] four.

[3:25:27] » You don't get the pretty colors first.

[3:25:32] the sewer.

[3:25:37] » Sewer.

[3:25:40] >> Okay.

[3:25:42] So, I'll go through where I'm at with

[3:25:45] everything with it and then

[3:25:47] >> can we start by identifying what the TNT

[3:25:49] checklist is.

[3:25:50] >> Oh, yes. Thank you.

[3:25:54] >> Be on the [clears throat] straight and

[3:25:55] narrow.

[3:25:55] >> It's like a scavenger hunt.

[3:25:56] >> It is. It's fun, huh? I did that on

[3:25:59] purpose.

[3:26:00] >> [laughter]

[3:26:02] >> uh finance charge.

[3:26:09] Okay.

[3:26:13] » She's so good. [laughter]

[3:26:17] Okay. Um,

[3:26:20] so first off though, if we're going to

[3:26:23] charge that um fee

[3:26:26] instead of paper bill fee, I'm going to

[3:26:28] put in here

[3:26:30] credit card processing fee.

[3:26:36] And we'll have to get better numbers on

[3:26:38] this.

[3:26:41] » Yeah.

[3:26:46] twice as much.

[3:26:48] [clears throat]

[3:26:49] >> But but they but last year they did a

[3:26:51] truth and taxation and they were one

[3:26:52] that didn't get it.

[3:26:54] >> So they're not doing it this year. But I

[3:26:56] think we're just catching up from what

[3:26:58] they

[3:27:00] >> How come if they because the way I just

[3:27:02] understood this was if we don't do it

[3:27:05] that it goes down goes down goes down.

[3:27:07] How come they don't do it goes up? Their

[3:27:12] revenue doesn't go up for their property

[3:27:14] tax portion, but their collection fee

[3:27:17] portion.

[3:27:18] >> They didn't get any property tax.

[3:27:23] » So, this as a city, we can't just charge

[3:27:24] a fee as a city. So, it doesn't work.

[3:27:27] >> You can charge fees, but you have to

[3:27:31] Yeah, you have to have a backbone behind

[3:27:33] it,

[3:27:34] >> which is something we could entertain at

[3:27:36] some point in time. I'm not saying you

[3:27:38] want to do it this year when you're

[3:27:39] doing truth and taxation, but you can do

[3:27:41] a transportation fee.

[3:27:44] >> I've heard it's just

[3:27:46] >> not worth it though.

[3:27:47] >> Yeah. And you charge an imp or a utility

[3:27:51] charge for the driving down your roads.

[3:27:59] » It was at first.

[3:28:01] >> Yeah.

[3:28:03] >> Oh, yeah. I've gone through implementing

[3:28:05] it and it's not my favorite thing.

[3:28:07] explain to the people. It's that

[3:28:09] difficult. I don't want to be like

[3:28:13] I don't like that. I don't like that

[3:28:14] idea.

[3:28:15] >> And you have to have a backbone as to

[3:28:18] how you calculate that fee

[3:28:20] >> for the state auditor. And I believe a

[3:28:23] lot of places are just having people do

[3:28:25] having like JUB do a study for it to

[3:28:29] calculate it because it's just so so

[3:28:31] fun.

[3:28:32] >> Sorry,

[3:28:32] >> you're fine.

[3:28:33] >> But the reason it's different

[3:28:48] just on the sewer.

[3:28:49] >> So, we're just on the sewer, which is

[3:28:51] tab four.

[3:28:53] [clears throat]

[3:28:57] » Okay.

[3:28:59] So, we're estimating impact fees. again

[3:29:04] impact fees. You know what they're used

[3:29:06] for? They're restricted. I won't go into

[3:29:08] all that again.

[3:29:10] Um

[3:29:11] so our sewer rate, what we basically

[3:29:14] came up with was um the city increasing

[3:29:19] it by about 6.25%.

[3:29:22] And I'll go into that calculation in a

[3:29:24] minute. Just humor me through because I

[3:29:26] think you have to get the whole picture

[3:29:28] to understand where we're coming at with

[3:29:30] sewer. Hopefully it'll make sense at the

[3:29:32] end.

[3:29:34] Um, so we have a little bit of grant

[3:29:37] revenue left over that we've set aside

[3:29:39] for years and years and years. Um, we

[3:29:44] budgeted for it this year, but I don't

[3:29:46] think we're going to end up using it.

[3:29:48] So, we'll budget for it this next year.

[3:29:53] » ARP,

[3:29:55] >> but we're not allowed to call it ARPA

[3:29:56] money. Okay, that

[3:29:59] [laughter]

[3:30:00] >> it's going to be way more than 52.

[3:30:03] [clears throat]

[3:30:04] >> Maybe we won't have it then.

[3:30:10] » Should we take it off?

[3:30:13] Okay, we'll take it off. We can always

[3:30:15] put it back.

[3:30:16] >> We don't we're going to get to that

[3:30:18] project.

[3:30:19] >> The deteriorating manifold that we're

[3:30:22] working on as we speak.

[3:30:23] >> Oh, are you now? Okay. Oh, that's right.

[3:30:26] We did say that this afternoon.

[3:30:28] >> So, yeah, that's already going to be

[3:30:29] spent.

[3:30:30] >> Our biggest problem, we got the manual

[3:30:31] figured out, but we've got to bypass all

[3:30:33] the seage.

[3:30:35] >> Yeah. Okay, let's come back to that in

[3:30:38] just two seconds. So, now we have all of

[3:30:41] our expenses, our utilities,

[3:30:44] um, central Weaver Sewer District.

[3:30:46] Whatever we collect here, we match it to

[3:30:49] the expense in out. So, we're just

[3:30:53] trying to pass through theirs is it and

[3:30:56] it has broke out on the utility bills

[3:30:58] now. So, that's a good thing. Um, a

[3:31:01] little bit of accounting attorney.

[3:31:04] Uh,

[3:31:06] we won't be able to use that.

[3:31:09] [clears throat]

[3:31:10] Okay.

[3:31:12] Um, we've got some engineering fees,

[3:31:15] merchant fees,

[3:31:18] information technology.

[3:31:23] What's that?

[3:31:28] » 5100.

[3:31:34] » Yeah, I took it off just now.

[3:31:36] >> Yeah, cuz we're doing it now. I thought

[3:31:38] we weren't going to get it done,

[3:31:40] >> but me and Jared just talked today and

[3:31:43] he put me in place.

[3:31:45] >> He put me back on track. [laughter]

[3:31:48] So, okay. uh system maintenance,

[3:31:52] equipment.

[3:31:54] Um a big chunk of that is depreciation,

[3:31:57] which I think I've explained

[3:31:58] depreciation before. Anybody want me to

[3:32:01] explain it? You good? Okay. Trust me on

[3:32:04] it. Okay. [snorts] Uh salaries and

[3:32:06] wages. [clears throat]

[3:32:07] So then we have our loan payment which

[3:32:10] is 535 next year. And then we have this

[3:32:13] big number that $2 million capital

[3:32:15] projects. Let's dig into that so we can

[3:32:18] fully understand where we are at.

[3:32:22] I'm gonna kind of let Jared

[3:32:24] explain

[3:32:27] our long-term project. So, it should be

[3:32:29] on the next tab. Tab five.

[3:32:35] » Mhm.

[3:32:37] >> So, longterm capital.

[3:32:39] >> Yes.

[3:32:41] Okay. So, right now, and Jared, if you

[3:32:44] want to stop and add to these, please

[3:32:46] do.

[3:32:46] >> Okay.

[3:32:47] >> Um, we went through the pump at um, is

[3:32:51] that one still the landing pump?

[3:32:53] >> That first redone.

[3:32:55] Basically, we try to size it so that we

[3:32:57] need a spare that when something goes

[3:32:59] wrong, we just pull it out and put the

[3:33:01] working and whatever one we took out.

[3:33:07] [cough] Keep a spare. It says upper

[3:33:10] landings leg they actually fit. We need

[3:33:13] two sizes and they fit multiple just

[3:33:16] kind of whatever one breaks down. So the

[3:33:18] hooker landings like you could change

[3:33:20] but we had two redundant pumps as of a

[3:33:24] month ago. They're both in service as we

[3:33:26] speak. So out of our

[3:33:30] >> So that note says 22 pumps possible

[3:33:33] every year. So what what does that mean?

[3:33:35] 22 pumps total there. We're possibly

[3:33:38] putting one a year. We're just kind of

[3:33:40] projecting out 20 one each year.

[3:33:43] >> How what is the life of a pump 20 years?

[3:33:48] >> They're usually rated on our electric

[3:33:50] pumps that are hard to say. I mean, some

[3:33:53] of them are original and still

[3:33:54] functioning. The one that went down last

[3:33:57] week was the one that we replaced

[3:33:59] already.

[3:33:59] >> Oh, really?

[3:34:00] >> And we're hoping it's under warranty.

[3:34:02] >> That's what I was going to ask. They're

[3:34:03] going to warrant them.

[3:34:06] >> Yeah.

[3:34:07] Uh some of the pumps in the vacuum

[3:34:10] station are rated at $20,000

[3:34:11] [clears throat] and they've got like 37

[3:34:14] 38,000 on them.

[3:34:16] >> So realistically, we probably need to

[3:34:18] budget to replace one a year.

[3:34:20] >> Yeah.

[3:34:20] >> Just so that we don't end up owing five

[3:34:23] a year in one year.

[3:34:25] >> Yeah, that's my question. Because if

[3:34:26] you've got them like

[3:34:28] 20,000 hours and we know we're already

[3:34:29] at 30 something thousand, like do we in

[3:34:32] my mind I see this in like a spreadsheet

[3:34:33] and we can go all right here's these 15

[3:34:35] that are past their life cycle

[3:34:38] >> and at any point we could have three or

[3:34:39] four of those go out and break budget.

[3:34:41] >> I think our our goal here was to chip

[3:34:44] away at it raising

[3:34:46] >> Yeah. I mean, when we came up with this

[3:34:48] originally last year, we said,

[3:34:50] "Everything's an emergency."

[3:34:53] Jared's [clears throat] sitting there

[3:34:54] like, "Well, it's all breaking. Where do

[3:34:56] I start?" And I says, "Give me numbers.

[3:34:58] Give me a list of everything you can

[3:35:01] come up with and then let's try and put

[3:35:03] it over the next 5 years and see where

[3:35:05] we're at." And then we said, "Oh crap,

[3:35:08] now we got to change this thought and

[3:35:11] rethink it and keep going." And this is

[3:35:13] totally meant to be moving. You know,

[3:35:15] it's a moving target. This is just a

[3:35:17] best guess to say, oh, if if we we don't

[3:35:21] want to come up with five million in one

[3:35:24] year, you know,

[3:35:26] >> $2 million sewer fee hanging over our

[3:35:27] head.

[3:35:28] >> Yeah.

[3:35:28] >> Exactly. So, okay. Vacuum.

[3:35:32] >> Kind of one of those things. I mean, say

[3:35:33] we bought hoping to get two with that

[3:35:36] 50,000. If they both go out, I'm

[3:35:39] probably going to be asking you to get

[3:35:40] another redundant one because

[3:35:43] >> what do we do?

[3:35:46] But we hope we can get those to last

[3:35:49] until we get to the next cycle.

[3:35:51] >> How long does it take to get one in?

[3:35:54] >> The last one was about six months.

[3:35:58] >> That That's something that's really

[3:35:59] changed in my career. When I first

[3:36:01] started, we first got in the sewer

[3:36:03] business, we could take one of our pumps

[3:36:05] over to OGman and have it repaired in

[3:36:07] about a week. Now you send them in and

[3:36:10] if you hear back what's wrong with them

[3:36:12] in a couple of months then they order

[3:36:14] parts for a couple of months.

[3:36:17] >> Didn't you say there's only one

[3:36:19] [clears throat]

[3:36:20] services there?

[3:36:21] >> Oh, there's there's a few.

[3:36:26] » Then we have the vacuum pump exchange.

[3:36:29] We've got three each year that we're

[3:36:33] trying to do. One, two, three for the

[3:36:35] next three years and then to one. So

[3:36:38] this year we did three, we're trying to

[3:36:40] do next year three, the next year three,

[3:36:42] and then we'll just back off to one a

[3:36:43] year to maintain is what the thought is.

[3:36:46] Hoping that we can, you know, if we

[3:36:49] don't have to replace one one year,

[3:36:50] great. You know, but this is just kind

[3:36:52] of a projection to try and do what we

[3:36:55] can to get the system up.

[3:36:58] >> And we're in a lot better position now

[3:37:00] that before [clears throat]

[3:37:02] we couldn't afford to be out on one of

[3:37:04] them. Now we can have to service it or

[3:37:08] replace it. So, we're in a lot better

[3:37:12] liability position now, but we just need

[3:37:14] to those next two years exchanges are

[3:37:17] the original equipment. So, once we get

[3:37:19] through those two years, we'll be kind

[3:37:22] of caught up on our exchange program. So

[3:37:25] maybe we could back off and do every

[3:37:26] other year, but there very well could be

[3:37:29] something that else that takes that much

[3:37:32] as I was uh always surprised.

[3:37:37] So uh we've got a vacuum sewer swing arm

[3:37:42] valve replacement.

[3:37:46] Sorry about my spelling.

[3:37:48] Um 7700

[3:37:52] uh BOF filters 25,000. When you got

[3:37:56] those pretty much need to do those,

[3:37:58] right?

[3:37:59] >> Yeah. That's basically a bar filter that

[3:38:02] takes the smell from the vacuum. We're

[3:38:05] sucking out of there. It just decays

[3:38:08] like wood and we have to replace it

[3:38:11] every so often.

[3:38:13] >> And there's three of them. So that's the three

[3:38:17] >> stations.

[3:38:18] >> And then this was one that was brought

[3:38:20] up to me this morning. Everything in

[3:38:22] yellow's kind of new this morning.

[3:38:26] EVR circulation fan. There's three to

[3:38:29] replace

[3:38:30] and that's a really big need.

[3:38:34] Wet [snorts] well fan.

[3:38:37] Um 15,000.

[3:38:39] >> So do we just realize that those are

[3:38:40] needs or like what made that just now

[3:38:42] get put on this? just broke down since

[3:38:46] we've last put the list together.

[3:38:50] >> I think that was kind of like one thing

[3:38:52] leads to another that the reason those

[3:38:55] manhold are dictates from H2S gas

[3:38:59] these fans are what keeps the air moving

[3:39:01] and keeps that rest of our system. So

[3:39:05] fairly important.

[3:39:06] >> Yeah, I was what do we do like in those

[3:39:09] areas? Are there any residential

[3:39:12] concerns like we're not

[3:39:14] gases.

[3:39:15] >> No, it's in the system.

[3:39:18] >> They just can't go out of just doing one

[3:39:20] year and taking three years or we hope.

[3:39:24] Yeah,

[3:39:27] >> we know one's broke down right now. So

[3:39:29] that's the one in year 27 and then

[3:39:34] hopefully the other ones last until next

[3:39:36] year at least. plug valve replacement.

[3:39:41] Vac station VFD replacement.

[3:39:45] This is a Alan Bailey PLC replacement

[3:39:49] upgrade 75.

[3:39:51] >> What's that? Tell me about that.

[3:39:52] >> So that that's the main control panel

[3:39:54] that runs the whole vacuum station and

[3:39:57] there we used to have an old guy that

[3:40:00] helped us named retired. [clears throat]

[3:40:02] He was only like 85, but he's like I'm

[3:40:06] done. And he says you guys

[3:40:08] He says everything in here is obsolete.

[3:40:10] So we've

[3:40:12] >> so we had

[3:40:13] >> those

[3:40:14] >> all in the last year we found out that

[3:40:18] we're probably going to have to spit

[3:40:20] split it between the two years. So we

[3:40:21] have we'll pay or we have paid 75.

[3:40:26] >> We'll pay another 75 when it's done

[3:40:29] and then we'll pay the balance when it's

[3:40:31] completed but the project start

[3:40:34] >> but it won't be done before June 30th.

[3:40:37] So, um, this is a power transfer switch

[3:40:42] for emergency generators.

[3:40:45] Um,

[3:40:46] >> what's the AT&T checklist?

[3:40:48] >> Good question.

[3:40:50] >> You're on that. I love it.

[3:40:52] >> We have some next year again, we're just

[3:40:55] hoping they will last another like even

[3:40:58] with that, you know, we do the 25 now.

[3:41:01] >> Yeah. So, the power transfer switch at

[3:41:04] north has failed. So if we power outage,

[3:41:08] it'll still notify us. We'll just have

[3:41:10] to go transfer it manually.

[3:41:14] The other ones are the same age. So, but

[3:41:16] they haven't failed yet.

[3:41:28] » Oh, right there.

[3:41:31] >> Like we are waiting for a failure.

[3:41:34] I'm not being serious here. We don't

[3:41:36] have anything that's really just update.

[3:41:39] We're replacing it as it breaks.

[3:41:41] >> For us being as young of a modern city,

[3:41:43] like 20 years old, it is pretty

[3:41:45] surprising. Like, you know what I mean?

[3:41:46] Like, we're not an old city and for

[3:41:48] everything to be this deteriorated out

[3:41:49] of old city.

[3:41:52] >> If I had one thing in my career to do

[3:41:56] not do vacuum,

[3:41:58] >> why don't

[3:42:01] >> Well, and it is really a tribute to our

[3:42:03] guys that the pump is supposed to

[3:42:06] and our gone or 20,000 gone 36. I mean,

[3:42:10] we

[3:42:12] >> care.

[3:42:14] >> But it's a little scary when one starts

[3:42:16] falling and they're all the same age.

[3:42:19] >> You can anticipate the rest.

[3:42:22] >> Yeah.

[3:42:23] >> Have we

[3:42:24] sure we have

[3:42:27] we looked at

[3:42:29] I mean the original reason for the

[3:42:30] vacuum system was because the water

[3:42:32] table was so high all that stuff. put it

[3:42:35] in the time.

[3:42:35] >> Have we looked at what it would cost us

[3:42:37] to go to a gravity feed system?

[3:42:40] >> 20 years from now, we're going to be

[3:42:41] doing this again.

[3:42:42] >> Not in debt. Just we still owe 8 million

[3:42:45] on this system.

[3:42:47] >> So, we still have to pay that and then

[3:42:50] you basically be starting over again

[3:42:52] with it.

[3:42:55] We still in this original system

[3:42:59] >> but I'm just thinking like we're gonna

[3:43:01] every

[3:43:02] >> you know so often end up with this $2

[3:43:03] million we're pay

[3:43:07] abandoning it and paying the loan still

[3:43:09] >> million we owe.

[3:43:10] >> I mean I I guess the scope of that

[3:43:12] [clears throat] would basically be relay

[3:43:14] all the mains in the street and then new

[3:43:17] to every home and rec they could use

[3:43:20] their lateral coming out of the road.

[3:43:22] have to reconnect. Did it be a project

[3:43:25] like tens of millions?

[3:43:27] >> Okay, that's what I'm asking because I'm

[3:43:29] just thinking in my mind if every year

[3:43:30] we're paying $10 million to keep this

[3:43:32] thing up.

[3:43:33] >> So, you know, five years it's 10 million

[3:43:35] or it's 10 million now.

[3:43:36] >> One one thing we have come up with

[3:43:39] different plans instead of expanding it.

[3:43:43] [cough]

[3:43:44] There is some infill within those zones,

[3:43:47] you know, that we're still adding new

[3:43:49] vacuum, but we're not building new

[3:43:51] vacuum stations.

[3:43:54] I

[3:43:54] >> mean, we could we could have J tell us

[3:43:56] what it cost to converting

[3:44:03] if we still didn't hold that six and a

[3:44:05] half million. If we were just starting

[3:44:07] from nothing, then it might be, but then

[3:44:10] we're still having to pay the 550,000

[3:44:14] bond. I It's not a bond. It was a

[3:44:16] interestree loan. But we have to pay

[3:44:19] that every year.

[3:44:22] » Can somebody

[3:44:24] $6 million?

[3:44:25] >> Any any chance of like tying this into

[3:44:28] the one that's going in Davis County

[3:44:31] down there? Because we had already

[3:44:32] talked a little bit

[3:44:34] Um, not we're not going to expand the

[3:44:36] vacuum system,

[3:44:38] >> but is there any potential down the road

[3:44:40] we could shoot some of that the other

[3:44:42] way?

[3:44:43] >> The whole system of how it's collected.

[3:44:57] » Yeah. Okay.

[3:45:00] So,

[3:45:02] um, where was I even at? put [laughter]

[3:45:04] that into the back station.

[3:45:07] >> Okay, there we go. 450.

[3:45:09] >> What was the other other major upgrade?

[3:45:12] >> Oh, it was 150 and we just were using it

[3:45:15] for over here [clears throat] in these

[3:45:17] uh fiscal year 30 and 31 just kind of as

[3:45:20] a placeholder.

[3:45:20] >> The last is still the

[3:45:24] control.

[3:45:25] >> Is that the air conditioning?

[3:45:27] >> Yes.

[3:45:28] >> The next one down there. So that should

[3:45:31] be uh roughly around 50,000 each times

[3:45:37] the three. No up where it's yellow.

[3:45:40] >> Oh, that one.

[3:45:42] >> Yeah, it should be around a total

[3:45:44] although HBAC

[3:45:47] a lot of them's taken a 12% increase

[3:45:50] from the tariffs that Trump just put on.

[3:45:53] So, I don't know if you want to go

[3:45:57] 55

[3:45:59] probably.

[3:46:01] >> Go 60.

[3:46:02] >> We haven't put it out to bid yet.

[3:46:04] >> No, but Larry's already talked to

[3:46:05] somebody and I've already talked to

[3:46:07] somebody that figures we can do it for

[3:46:08] 50.

[3:46:09] >> They're commercial, but

[3:46:10] >> and they're grade 20 ton heavy duty

[3:46:14] units

[3:46:15] >> and they've seen our specs and

[3:46:17] everything.

[3:46:18] >> They're just aware of what we need and

[3:46:21] you know would be put.

[3:46:24] >> So, have you got the specs? Yeah.

[3:46:26] >> Uh, we're narrowing them down. We did a

[3:46:28] review and sent them back and I think

[3:46:30] this coming week should see some

[3:46:35] >> Oh, they had to come out and see if we

[3:46:36] had enough power at this station.

[3:46:40] >> He's still calculating. He came out and

[3:46:43] looked at everything

[3:46:44] >> because the estimates that we got did

[3:46:47] not include

[3:46:49] >> running off. I think that number there

[3:46:51] was like the Worst case

[3:46:53] >> worst case scenario. They think it'll

[3:46:55] come in.

[3:46:56] >> That'd be a pretty bad case.

[3:46:58] >> Yeah.

[3:47:00] >> Um got to go back and change that 15.

[3:47:05] >> Um well, I did 60. Oh, right here. Yeah,

[3:47:08] I can change that.

[3:47:10] >> Oh, yeah.

[3:47:12] >> Yeah. We know these guys are both of

[3:47:14] them are industrial

[3:47:16] guys that do this crap for a living. So,

[3:47:24] Yeah, but those vacuum pumps put off.

[3:47:26] It's like four furnaces running in

[3:47:28] there.

[3:47:30] >> I I would guarantee you that a 20 ton

[3:47:33] would keep that down to 70° if you

[3:47:36] wanted it to

[3:47:38] >> 20 ton. Yes.

[3:47:39] >> Yeah,

[3:47:40] >> that's what we've both been discussing

[3:47:42] with our guys and they just won't expect

[3:47:45] so that they can [clears throat] give us

[3:47:47] something. So, I'm fairly confident

[3:47:49] we're going to pull that off for, you

[3:47:51] know, 180,000 versus 450,000.

[3:47:55] >> Okay.

[3:47:56] >> I wonder if we should just cut it in

[3:47:57] half, though, till we get the specs and

[3:47:59] make sure. We don't want to underdo it

[3:48:01] and then have it be more and then we're

[3:48:03] be thinking where are we getting the

[3:48:04] money?

[3:48:05] >> Either way, I think they'll have to

[3:48:06] approve the contract. So,

[3:48:08] >> yeah,

[3:48:09] >> they got to it when they approve it. We

[3:48:11] can

[3:48:12] >> they would just plug in a number in

[3:48:13] there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[3:48:16] >> Best guess. I mean, that's

[3:48:18] >> that's somewhere over the rainbow.

[3:48:20] >> Yeah. Uh our first main along West

[3:48:22] Haven, 1 million, but

[3:48:26] were thinking that was still pretty

[3:48:28] good.

[3:48:28] >> Yeah,

[3:48:28] >> probably.

[3:48:29] >> Uh manhole bypass. We were thinking

[3:48:32] about 200 this year and about 130 next

[3:48:35] year with that.

[3:48:38] >> That confuses me a lot. I thought we

[3:48:41] already talked about that.

[3:48:42] >> I thought we did, too. I'm sitting here

[3:48:43] questioning that now.

[3:48:46] >> That was that one that we had the grant.

[3:48:48] It showed the grant money and we had

[3:48:50] like 56,000 or something to help

[3:48:55] >> that's what this bypasses the north.

[3:48:58] >> So we probably just need that 200 there.

[3:49:00] Not the

[3:49:04] me.

[3:49:06] >> So there three of them. The one at the

[3:49:09] north is

[3:49:11] sticking through the

[3:49:13] You can smell them.

[3:49:15] >> I thought that was cows.

[3:49:17] >> The other two [laughter] need to be done

[3:49:19] but not nearly as bad. So I think the

[3:49:22] bigger number is for all of them and the

[3:49:25] other number was for the north.

[3:49:28] But the problem we have is the low and

[3:49:30] the tan pump to the north and then pump

[3:49:33] up the force me. So we've got to deal

[3:49:36] with that sewage that comes about every

[3:49:38] 10 minutes while we redo that manhole.

[3:49:42] really fast.

[3:49:44] [laughter]

[3:49:50] » It's a real concern, but I think

[3:49:52] Darren's got

[3:49:54] figured out. I think we're we're going

[3:49:55] to get it done here soon. So, we've

[3:49:57] already contacted the man. He's ready to

[3:50:01] go. So,

[3:50:03] should be in good shape.

[3:50:04] >> Okay. So, we keep the 200 this year and

[3:50:07] 130 for next year, right? Okay.

[3:50:13] So,

[3:50:14] >> actually, we're we're not going to get

[3:50:17] to all of them this year.

[3:50:20] >> We'll get the one in the north done

[3:50:22] before the end of this budget year. The

[3:50:25] other two are still going to have to

[3:50:26] come.

[3:50:27] >> So, you think this needs to be

[3:50:35] » Good thing I use formulas, Jared.

[3:50:40] Didn't we have do we have money in there

[3:50:42] if we get that finished this year? That

[3:50:44] 130,000. Do we have that in our budget

[3:50:46] >> because we budgeted 100 or 200?

[3:50:49] >> Okay.

[3:50:54] So, that being said,

[3:50:57] if I look at our income minus our

[3:51:00] expenses, our total decrease in fund

[3:51:02] balance would be 1.9. I like to back out

[3:51:06] depreciation and say what's our real

[3:51:08] cash effect. That's 1.4 deficit.

[3:51:14] Okay. So, if you go to your other page,

[3:51:17] which it's going to show a different

[3:51:18] amount because we changed a few things

[3:51:20] there, but if you look at the next tab, six, you'll see that I have this

[3:51:26] unrestricted cash projection. This is

[3:51:29] just a projection. best um way I've

[3:51:32] figured out to kind of try and say where

[3:51:34] are we gonna be

[3:51:37] >> um I think it's under tab

[3:51:40] >> is it tab five

[3:51:42] >> oh okay

[3:51:43] >> oh yep tab five

[3:51:47] >> and it's that last page or the one

[3:51:49] behind the uh sewer long-term capital

[3:51:53] sorry I was looking after you [laughter]

[3:51:56] >> last one maybe next

[3:51:57] >> the second to last it's the it's the two

[3:52:00] pretty colored pages with all my blues

[3:52:02] and

[3:52:04] uh greens and pinks.

[3:52:09] » And like I said, my numbers aren't going

[3:52:10] to tie up to yours exactly because we

[3:52:12] made some changes. So just keep in mind,

[3:52:15] but this is a basic. So basically what

[3:52:18] I've done is I've said here's our

[3:52:19] unrestricted cash as of March. This is

[3:52:22] what income I suspect we're going to

[3:52:24] have remaining coming in in fiscal year

[3:52:27] 26. expenses going out um subtotal

[3:52:33] capital projects

[3:52:36] um funds going out and then our loan

[3:52:39] funds going out. So our total

[3:52:43] um fund balance

[3:52:57] » did that include the appreciation.

[3:53:01] >> Yeah.

[3:53:07] » Okay. So, we have 104 in capital

[3:53:11] projects this year. [clears throat]

[3:53:14] Um loan balances.

[3:53:18] So, we're at a total of 225.

[3:53:22] Some other

[3:53:22] >> the loan payment that's the 95 versus

[3:53:25] our loan payment that we paid. That's

[3:53:26] what's remaining to be paid this year

[3:53:29] because it's two payments months. Yeah.

[3:53:31] So, this is just remaining in this year.

[3:53:34] >> So, at the first of fiscal year 27, I

[3:53:38] suspect that the fund balance would be

[3:53:40] at two 2.2.

[3:53:43] Some other income district

[3:53:46] um fee and whatever the sewer district

[3:53:48] fee is, that pays back out. So those

[3:53:51] wash

[3:53:53] our um hoofer fee income our expenses

[3:53:57] minus depreciation

[3:54:00] subtotal capital projects 1.8

[3:54:04] so a total of 608 in our fund in our

[3:54:08] cash. So we will spend down the cash

[3:54:10] from about 2.2 to 6 600 this year. Ouch.

[3:54:15] So

[3:54:17] up there at the top, uh, Central Weaver

[3:54:21] Sewer District's going to estimate a 6%

[3:54:24] increase, and we're only going to

[3:54:28] >> we're estimating a 6.25 increase is what

[3:54:31] I'm proposing,

[3:54:32] >> but we're only going to

[3:54:35] >> And that's what we're passing on.

[3:54:37] >> Yeah.

[3:54:38] >> Residents is six

[3:54:40] >> 6.2.

[3:54:43] >> Well, no.

[3:54:45] Oh, 13.

[3:54:46] >> Yeah. Okay.

[3:54:47] >> Yeah. Our fee would go up to $52

[3:54:51] is what I'm

[3:54:54] >> So, our fee right now is 48.88.

[3:54:57] >> We're going to go $3.

[3:54:59] >> Mhm. Yeah. is what I'm recommending

[3:55:03] because if we continue, what I've done

[3:55:05] is I've built into the spreadsheet that

[3:55:08] if there's a 5% expense increase with

[3:55:12] the five-year projection that I've got

[3:55:14] on there,

[3:55:16] and then also um

[3:55:20] us increasing the rates steady for the

[3:55:23] next five years instead of just hitting

[3:55:25] them all at once, just a slow steady

[3:55:28] increase to monitor it. Where would our

[3:55:31] cash balance be? And it would

[3:55:33] [clears throat] decrease as of today if

[3:55:35] we only do a 6.25%

[3:55:37] of 1.9

[3:55:43] » decrease.

[3:55:45] And we're right now at

[3:55:49] 225.

[3:55:57] I want to check my number.

[3:56:09] Yeah.

[3:56:11] >> So I mean

[3:56:14] the the long and the short

[3:56:17] is we have last year we did a 6.25. We

[3:56:22] were trying to stay consistent.

[3:56:25] However, if we stay consistent with that

[3:56:28] 6.25 25, we're going to have a decrease

[3:56:30] in fund in cash.

[3:56:32] >> Basically, at the end of 31, we're going

[3:56:34] to be in a really bad shape of only

[3:56:37] having

[3:56:38] >> 2 million at all.

[3:56:39] >> Um,

[3:56:41] >> decreasing at 1.92 million.

[3:56:44] >> So, our cash balance would basically be

[3:56:46] $845 if we only do a 6.255 increase.

[3:56:52] >> 845,000.

[3:56:54] >> Yeah. If you do a 7% increase,

[3:56:58] you're at a million. And again, you

[3:57:01] know, this is just best guess. This

[3:57:04] isn't, you know,

[3:57:07] >> 7 and a half%.

[3:57:10] » You're at least going to be

[3:57:12] >> next year because they gave us their

[3:57:15] g.

[3:57:20] So if we get this impact

[3:57:25] soon

[3:57:29] » as soon as you adapt the impact fee

[3:57:32] >> as soon as you accept that fee study

[3:57:34] >> we're anticipating this year.

[3:57:40] » Oh yeah

[3:57:42] >> but I think you know that's why we need

[3:57:44] to push to get that because you can see

[3:57:46] the importance of it.

[3:57:47] >> Did they give us a time frame?

[3:57:52] pushed them. They got some quickly

[3:57:56] pushing.

[3:57:58] >> Yeah, let's push

[3:57:59] >> push more.

[3:58:04] » So, how can he push?

[3:58:05] >> We push we push

[3:58:14] » because they told us that the new Ogden

[3:58:16] Valley City needed their enough guys on

[3:58:20] it and got done in a month.

[3:58:21] >> What the

[3:58:23] >> So 10% get that cost extra to put extra

[3:58:26] guys.

[3:58:27] >> I don't know.

[3:58:28] >> Every year.

[3:58:30] >> Yeah. So if we increase

[3:58:31] >> 10% 10% 10%,

[3:58:33] >> right? Which is by by the end of this

[3:58:36] many years, then it's essentially a

[3:58:38] total of 20.

[3:58:40] >> Yeah. So at the end of fiscal year 20 or

[3:58:44] 31, you're basically saying to the

[3:58:46] residents if the sewer district also

[3:58:48] does their 15% that um they are going to

[3:58:53] be having a $110 bill a month for their

[3:58:57] sewer system.

[3:59:00] Are you willing to swallow that?

[3:59:03] >> Better than an outhouse.

[3:59:07] >> Yeah. What are the options?

[3:59:09] an outhouse.

[3:59:10] >> Yeah, that's it.

[3:59:12] >> That's real. [laughter]

[3:59:20] » I mean, I know that's high for here, but

[3:59:25] cities that are that are expensive, you

[3:59:27] know,

[3:59:28] >> but those sewer impact fees again are

[3:59:30] only

[3:59:35] passing that on to everybody.

[3:59:38] Yeah.

[3:59:40] >> Yeah. That impact fee. I mean, I

[3:59:42] obviously you can see why I'm a big

[3:59:44] advocate for them and kind of pushed

[3:59:47] >> um last year to, you know, hey, we need

[3:59:49] to update those for multiple reasons.

[3:59:51] Number one, to help us. Number two, the

[3:59:53] state audience is requiring it.

[3:59:56] >> So, I mean, it may not be that bad, but

[3:59:59] you know, are you even willing to

[4:00:01] swallow the,

[4:00:03] you know,

[4:00:05] >> percentage for this year?

[4:00:07] So, so like Jared was just saying, you

[4:00:09] know, even at at doubling this, if we go

[4:00:12] to this 10%.

[4:00:14] >> Well, you're you're actually Sorry, I

[4:00:16] caught a thing.

[4:00:20] >> Okay.

[4:00:20] >> Why did that not Okay. Yeah. So, if you

[4:00:24] do 10% consistently,

[4:00:27] >> you're actually still a million dollar.

[4:00:30] >> Yeah. So, think about that. We're going

[4:00:31] to pay back a $6 million sewer loan.

[4:00:34] >> Mhm. We're going to dump almost two

[4:00:36] million a year into the system and then

[4:00:39] we're still coming deficit almost a

[4:00:41] million dollars by the end of 10 years.

[4:00:43] >> Five years.

[4:00:44] whatever. It's still going

[4:00:45] to still equals out to about $10 million

[4:00:47] or more. Um I mean, we're talking at

[4:00:51] least 10 on five years plus the $6

[4:00:53] million loan that we owe. $16 million. I

[4:00:57] think it might be worth looking at if

[4:00:59] there's another option.

[4:01:00] >> I'm not saying there is.

[4:01:01] >> I'm just saying ask.

[4:01:03] >> Just saying is it

[4:01:05] But where you get the cost

[4:01:09] $20 million

[4:01:11] with all the discussion and all the

[4:01:13] stuff we got going at the head of the

[4:01:15] hill, we should be able to go, hey, we

[4:01:17] want to increase, look at our budget,

[4:01:19] >> you want us to increase capacity, get

[4:01:20] affordable housing down here, help us

[4:01:22] fix this sewer problem. I mean, I feel

[4:01:24] like somebody's got to be able to do

[4:01:25] something. I don't know. This is just me

[4:01:26] not knowing anything. But I just think

[4:01:28] >> maybe

[4:01:33] » I think we find the best engineering

[4:01:35] groups in the in the universities and we

[4:01:38] prop it up as like a solve this problem

[4:01:40] and write your doctoral thesis on this

[4:01:42] in engineering

[4:01:43] >> get the team put together and

[4:01:44] crowdsource it.

[4:01:46] >> That's just me being a millennial, but

[4:01:47] that's what I think we should do.

[4:01:49] >> One thing too, I doubt the two million

[4:01:52] that we're putting in there is going to

[4:01:53] maintain. I mean, it's just

[4:01:56] Yeah, that's with no emergency.

[4:01:58] >> That's a five pump.

[4:01:59] >> Everything works like we hope.

[4:02:01] >> Well, that's what he's saying. This

[4:02:02] [clears throat] one went out and our

[4:02:04] other ones haven't, but all our other

[4:02:06] ones are as old as the one that just

[4:02:07] went out.

[4:02:09] >> I see why you said this for nearless

[4:02:11] because this is

[4:02:12] >> everything else is looking really good.

[4:02:14] their houses, they went out and get us.

[4:02:17] >> Another thing that scares me to death

[4:02:19] about this is

[4:02:21] >> we're relying on a sole source, sle

[4:02:24] proprietor company.

[4:02:26] >> What happens if everybody calls tomorrow

[4:02:28] and says we're closing down?

[4:02:32] » I don't know what the answer is, but it

[4:02:38] [clears throat]

[4:02:38] >> run into the sal like we did 70 years

[4:02:41] ago. And watch out for Swit to come

[4:02:44] after you. [laughter]

[4:02:47] » Bush, but all of the components in the

[4:02:50] pits and everything, an employee of

[4:02:52] airback owns all of the

[4:02:57] » Well, also like you said, we've got

[4:03:00] staff that we train to do this, but it's

[4:03:01] such an anomalous situation. If we lose

[4:03:04] one or two of those staff, then we don't

[4:03:06] have people trained to do it, to fix it,

[4:03:08] to work on it.

[4:03:09] >> If we lose, we're in trouble.

[4:03:12] I'm sure he's not forever.

[4:03:23] » He's still young.

[4:03:24] >> He ain't going to be around forever.

[4:03:26] [laughter]

[4:03:26] >> Be around forever. That's what I'm

[4:03:27] saying. The system itself fades. It

[4:03:29] becomes obsolete. Controls become

[4:03:31] obsolete. It's just uh we're thinking

[4:03:34] long term, but we're lasting 100 years

[4:03:36] as a city.

[4:03:40] We don't have to solve it today, but we

[4:03:42] do got to consider our generations

[4:03:43] coming

[4:03:45] soon

[4:03:52] somebody

[4:03:54] is going to come in and say we've got a

[4:03:56] disaster in place,

[4:03:58] >> you know, so

[4:04:00] money

[4:04:03] >> if

[4:04:06] that's a good point.

[4:04:08] We don't want to wait till we get to

[4:04:09] that point because then we have a mess

[4:04:12] in everybody's house.

[4:04:14] >> The weekend place goes away

[4:04:18] because everybody else use our bathroom.

[4:04:19] There you go. [laughter]

[4:04:21] >> Yeah, we figured what that cost would be

[4:04:23] everybody.

[4:04:25] >> We figure that out.

[4:04:28] >> If they go

[4:04:30] [laughter]

[4:04:32] » I don't have to

[4:04:35] put in six bays instead of two.

[4:04:39] Well, you know, we we joke about that,

[4:04:41] but I think I already mentioned to you

[4:04:43] Harrisville has 2.5 million more dollars

[4:04:47] every year in their budget with 2,000

[4:04:50] less people and less roads. They have a

[4:04:52] lot of business.

[4:04:54] >> They have a lot of business.

[4:04:55] >> Far West is the same way. I mean,

[4:04:57] Papador as mayor of Far West spent

[4:05:00] five, three or four million dollars 20

[4:05:03] years ago putting curb in sidewalking

[4:05:04] because they had to get rid of the

[4:05:06] state. But he told me Smith the Edwards

[4:05:08] by themselves 40 years ago 250 grand in

[4:05:12] point of sales tax. You know I mean

[4:05:16] there is some revenue sources out there

[4:05:18] that can help soften the blow. Ain't

[4:05:21] going to solve it but it's going to

[4:05:23] >> they're going to spend billions of

[4:05:24] dollars to refill the Great Salt Lake.

[4:05:26] What if we could treat our own sewer and

[4:05:29] dump it in there and trade and they pay

[4:05:30] for our sewer system to do it and we

[4:05:32] dump the water into the Great Salt Lake,

[4:05:34] you know, I don't know how many gallons

[4:05:36] it is, but

[4:05:37] you know, say, "Hey, we'll send it that

[4:05:39] way. We'll we'll treat it. You pay for

[4:05:41] the treatment plant."

[4:05:43] >> Well, unfortunately

[4:05:47] goes it goes to central central Weaver

[4:05:51] and they send it to the lake.

[4:05:53] >> We talked I think was mayor, they had a

[4:05:55] long range planning committee and like

[4:05:59] rather than keep on building that plant

[4:06:01] figure for us to pump it over there, why

[4:06:02] don't you build a satellite?

[4:06:06] just treat it here and send it west and

[4:06:08] then we can get out of all that pumping

[4:06:11] and that'll get the city out of planning

[4:06:13] and all the EPA regulations of doing a

[4:06:16] treat.

[4:06:19] We were still off here

[4:06:25] though because I'm on that committee and

[4:06:27] they said it would cost so much more to

[4:06:30] do that than for us to pump it there.

[4:06:32] It's not even

[4:06:35] And I'm not down to

[4:06:36] >> I'd say reach out to Mountain Green

[4:06:39] Sewer. I used to manage one of the fifth

[4:06:42] largest call centers in the United

[4:06:43] States in Clearville and we said what

[4:06:46] would it cost us to do a work from home

[4:06:47] project. Everything shut down and

[4:06:49] everybody had to work from home and we

[4:06:51] were quoted millions and millions and

[4:06:52] millions of dollars and then co hit and

[4:06:55] we handed everybody their computer and

[4:06:56] said go work from home and it cost us

[4:06:58] like $100,000 and so I think sometimes

[4:07:01] people just get these projections and

[4:07:02] they go it's going to cost too much.

[4:07:03] It's going to cost millions. We'll never

[4:07:05] be able to do it. But if everybody's

[4:07:06] toilets clogged up and we couldn't get

[4:07:08] it fixed today, I guarantee you there's

[4:07:10] some good old boys that have figured out

[4:07:11] a way.

[4:07:12] >> I mean, this whole city was built on

[4:07:13] people digging ditches. You know what I

[4:07:15] mean? I mean, I know we can come up with

[4:07:17] it. I just this stuff just genuinely,

[4:07:20] joking aside, worries me, but we're

[4:07:22] going to have

[4:07:23] >> I mean, we're eating millions of dollars

[4:07:24] every year and and going down the hole

[4:07:27] and

[4:07:27] >> we got that much we ain't got that much

[4:07:29] reserve to keep doing.

[4:07:31] >> Yeah. And so in my mind, I'm like, is it

[4:07:33] worth is there the that if we had to and

[4:07:37] it crashed today, what would the plan

[4:07:38] be? You know, just curious, would we go

[4:07:41] back to septic systems? I don't you

[4:07:43] know, like what would be the answer to

[4:07:44] solistic

[4:07:47] solves to that would happen in time.

[4:07:49] They want to flush their toilet tomorrow

[4:07:51] or tonight.

[4:07:52] >> That's right.

[4:07:54] you know, and I think these are all

[4:07:55] great ideas, but unfortunately

[4:07:58] >> they're going to take time, just like

[4:08:00] with the police problem. You know, it's

[4:08:02] going to take time and commitment on you

[4:08:04] guys' parts to put that in. So, you

[4:08:08] know, those are great. let's let's shoot

[4:08:10] for those and let's look at them and

[4:08:12] stuff. But I think for the immediate now

[4:08:16] >> we need to say you know even if we did

[4:08:18] implement that I mean I did the audit

[4:08:22] for Mountain Green Sewer that's why I

[4:08:25] know I'm familiar with that situation it

[4:08:27] took them quite a few years to get even

[4:08:31] what they built now up to speed let

[4:08:34] alone you know it's a different system

[4:08:36] and everything and I get that but I'm

[4:08:38] just saying you can't solve that problem

[4:08:40] overnight. So we have to say okay what

[4:08:43] are we going to do at this moment and

[4:08:46] yes plan for the future we need to plan

[4:08:48] for the future that's you know very

[4:08:51] important but what are we going to do

[4:08:52] today to keep the system running for at

[4:08:55] least 5 years because realistically if

[4:08:57] we do do something it's going to be at

[4:08:59] least a 5year process right

[4:09:03] >> yeah so what what's your thoughts what

[4:09:08] direction do you want me to take with

[4:09:09] the budget do you want a 10% increase.

[4:09:13] That would mean that your citizens

[4:09:17] bill would go basically

[4:09:20] they're looking at a 76ish

[4:09:23] dollar bill because I round it.

[4:09:27] >> It was 50 something.

[4:09:29] >> What [clears throat] was it now?

[4:09:30] >> It's 708 now.

[4:09:33] >> That's what it is a month.

[4:09:36] >> Yep.

[4:09:38] across the board.

[4:09:39] >> Well, across the board.

[4:09:43] >> So, I guess for me the answer to that

[4:09:45] question is then what is our plan? So,

[4:09:47] if our plan is this is a bandaid for 5

[4:09:49] years to see how we fix the system, then

[4:09:52] you know we need to charge the minimal

[4:09:53] amount that we would want to increase

[4:09:55] because we're planning to get out of it

[4:09:57] anyway. But if our plan is that we are

[4:10:00] going to have to hang on to this thing

[4:10:01] for the next 20 years, we're probably

[4:10:02] going to have to eat some bigger costs

[4:10:04] and that residents are going to have to

[4:10:06] Keep it up because

[4:10:07] >> there is no way in five years we're

[4:10:10] gonna have something put together that

[4:10:12] would ever take this over. There is no

[4:10:16] >> man. I just see the world differently.

[4:10:17] >> Without

[4:10:19] >> Yeah. Without some outside even with

[4:10:20] some outside help we still you couldn't

[4:10:22] get put in. But

[4:10:23] >> they couldn't get a spansion bridge

[4:10:25] across Niagara River for Niagara Falls.

[4:10:27] And they got a kid who flew a kite

[4:10:30] across it with a string to tie a rope to

[4:10:31] it and got a spansion bridge across it.

[4:10:33] cost them $5. They were are saying

[4:10:36] it's going to cost them millions and

[4:10:37] they never do it. I'm I'm a believer,

[4:10:39] man. We can we can do it if we want to

[4:10:41] do it. We got to get the right group.

[4:10:44] That's just me.

[4:10:45] >> But I realize that we have to be

[4:10:46] pragmatic and I recognize we got a

[4:10:48] budget.

[4:10:49] >> Yeah.

[4:10:49] >> But my thought is like now, okay, we're

[4:10:51] going to go talk to the residents and

[4:10:52] tell them our our citizens why now

[4:10:55] they're paying $100 bill in five years

[4:10:58] and we haven't fixed the system.

[4:10:59] >> Yeah.

[4:11:01] >> Things have gone out.

[4:11:01] >> Yeah. More things gone out. And I'm not

[4:11:03] saying that, you know, we increase it

[4:11:05] 10% next year. We don't we don't need to

[4:11:08] increase it or we need to decrease it.

[4:11:10] Great. Realistically, we're probably not

[4:11:12] going to find that we're going to need

[4:11:13] to decrease it. But, you know, if

[4:11:16] something was to happen,

[4:11:18] >> yeah, think outside the box. Take the

[4:11:20] bull by the horns. Do what you can do.

[4:11:22] >> Awesome. You know,

[4:11:24] >> you're thinking right now.

[4:11:27] >> It's kind of what I'm gearing towards.

[4:11:33] anything else. We did a $2 here and $2

[4:11:35] there. Like I feel like that's if we add

[4:11:37] up, you have a spot where we add up

[4:11:39] everything we've increased today.

[4:11:41] >> Absolutely.

[4:11:42] >> I just so happened to have it right

[4:11:45] here. [laughter]

[4:11:47] >> And let me make sure the sewer came over

[4:11:50] correctly.

[4:11:51] Yeah, it looks like it probably did.

[4:11:53] >> I think you'd find out people thought

[4:11:54] they were in not being able to flush

[4:11:56] their toilets. They would be pretty

[4:11:59] receptive to whatever

[4:12:01] Yeah, you used to pay 10 cents to flush

[4:12:03] a toilet.

[4:12:04] >> Except for you always hope there's some

[4:12:06] way out of the problem. We're not

[4:12:08] getting any way out of the problem.

[4:12:10] Every year we just have it really is a

[4:12:12] bandaid.

[4:12:13] >> I understand that.

[4:12:15] >> But here's the other thing I know to do

[4:12:18] something of any [clears throat] just to

[4:12:20] get it put through even through the

[4:12:23] feds. You can't do anything in a rush

[4:12:25] when you deal with the government

[4:12:26] especially something on the scale that

[4:12:29] we are looking

[4:12:30] It is going to take

[4:12:41] » 950.

[4:12:54] » That's

[4:12:56] what it is.

[4:12:57] >> What was the other option? Fine. I

[4:12:59] agree.

[4:13:04] » I mean, look what gas

[4:13:07] point. It's just like

[4:13:19] monthly bill up to

[4:13:22] >> Well, if you had everything like one

[4:13:25] garbage can.

[4:13:26] >> What was the sewer? Did it put it up to

[4:13:28] Was it 70?

[4:13:29] >> Yeah,

[4:13:30] >> it put it up to 79.

[4:13:31] >> Maybe we

[4:13:33] 75 $76. We've got to get the sewer done.

[4:13:36] Maybe we really do need to have a town

[4:13:38] hall meeting and or even have him here.

[4:13:41] Not a town hall, but have him here.

[4:13:43] Representative from the sewer plant.

[4:13:45] Jerry, you explain all this.

[4:13:49] We we met once in West Haven even said

[4:13:52] half about half of their city could go

[4:13:54] by gravity

[4:13:55] >> if we built something out our way.

[4:13:58] >> I mean those pumping costs are serious.

[4:14:02] >> So this is $9.30 a month

[4:14:05] >> is the increase at year one

[4:14:08] >> with everything if you had one of

[4:14:11] everything recycling additional can

[4:14:14] >> and I don't think that's bad person. I

[4:14:17] think what we're doing this year

[4:14:21] everywhere else not trying to keep up

[4:14:23] with those

[4:14:25] >> but didn't we do

[4:14:28] water up [clears throat]

[4:14:32] this year?

[4:14:33] >> Yeah. Don't look at this year.

[4:14:38] » Well, I don't see we have a choice

[4:14:40] though here. I mean, what differently do

[4:14:42] we do

[4:14:44] >> by next Thursday? more

[4:14:50] we do it weakness.

[4:14:51] >> I think it's pretty easy to explain.

[4:14:55] » Okay. So, here's another question I have

[4:14:58] is within the uh capital projects fund,

[4:15:01] we ended up with a little bit extra.

[4:15:03] >> Do we want to just leave it there

[4:15:05] knowing that maybe we I mean we could

[4:15:08] budget for one of these storm water

[4:15:10] problems in the capital projects fund

[4:15:12] even? There's there's one thing I think

[4:15:14] we might have forgotten our budget.

[4:15:18] >> Yes, sir.

[4:15:18] >> 5500 West close out. We haven't even

[4:15:22] talked about for a long time, but we

[4:15:24] never have closed that job out. And I

[4:15:26] think we owe

[4:15:27] >> Well, that's what I had that in there

[4:15:29] and then we took it out.

[4:15:30] >> Just leave.

[4:15:32] >> How much do you think it is?

[4:15:35] >> Taylor have to answer that question.

[4:15:37] >> Is that the right 55 though? 55 to

[4:15:40] Davis.

[4:15:42] >> Not the

[4:15:45] Which one is it then?

[4:15:47] >> I get confused.

[4:15:49] >> That one

[4:15:51] >> has a current year at 16.

[4:15:56] » So, do you think we owe another 50?

[4:15:59] >> I put 50 in there.

[4:16:05] » Taylor's done all the math on that one.

[4:16:09] >> Okay. Can you hit him out?

[4:16:11] >> Okay.

[4:16:12] So, I guess we have about 87.

[4:16:17] Do you want to just leave whatever's

[4:16:18] excess in there? Do you want We had a

[4:16:21] little bit extra in

[4:16:23] here. 7,000.

[4:16:29] I mean, realistically,

[4:16:33] we could stick it to roads and be done.

[4:16:38] Anybody

[4:16:45] opposed to me just going like that?

[4:16:50] » If you think that's what's right, I

[4:16:52] don't oppose it.

[4:16:53] >> Okay.

[4:16:56] I mean, it's a legitimate place to use

[4:17:00] some. Um that is without using any

[4:17:06] I think that's without using any. No we

[4:17:09] are using 608 of class zeros.

[4:17:15] We could just not use 608 and use 600

[4:17:20] or whatever we need to to balance. Maybe

[4:17:22] we should just do that. Let's do that.

[4:17:25] >> Okay.

[4:17:25] >> Sorry [clears throat] I circle back

[4:17:28] around. I think

[4:17:30] >> there you put all your millions in a as

[4:17:32] a benefactor and we'll name the sewage

[4:17:35] treatment plan.

[4:17:36] >> Okay,

[4:17:38] >> we got about 0.1

[4:17:40] [laughter]

[4:17:42] sewage treatment plan.

[4:17:43] >> I've had two. I wouldn't have given half

[4:17:46] of it to Morgan.

[4:17:49] [laughter]

[4:17:51] >> You say she tried to charge me for

[4:17:52] water.

[4:17:54] Are you kidding?

[4:17:56] >> When she dries.

[4:17:58] >> Yes. Make sure that's Make sure that's

[4:18:00] on record. That's a joke, you guys.

[4:18:02] [laughter]

[4:18:03] >> Don't get Morgan in trouble. This is

[4:18:05] recorded. Remember,

[4:18:07] >> that's no joke. [laughter]

[4:18:10] >> Larry.

[4:18:14] » [laughter]

[4:18:16] >> So yeah, we use less classy roads and still transfer the 225 over to the

[4:18:23] capital projects and just

[4:18:26] if one of those problems come up with

[4:18:29] the storm water, we could play for out

[4:18:31] of capital projects,

[4:18:34] >> which is no problem for us to do. Okay.

[4:18:36] >> I I wouldn't be surprised if 5500 is

[4:18:40] more than that.

[4:18:42] 1% of that project if we was over 1%

[4:18:46] would be 120,000.

[4:18:50] >> So now we just go with that off.

[4:18:52] >> You can't get it closer than 1%. Come

[4:18:53] on.

[4:18:55] >> Yeah. And I text him but you know his

[4:18:56] court is seven and some people don't

[4:18:58] work online. So he

[4:19:02] [laughter]

[4:19:08] » we went back to wake up and got some

[4:19:10] more.

[4:19:11] Sounds about right.

[4:19:15] » It doesn't take much. What do you think?

[4:19:19] >> Roy, what do you think?

[4:19:20] >> Yeah.

[4:19:24] » Well,

[4:19:26] I don't know about the super push part

[4:19:28] of this.

[4:19:29] >> I'll Where are we standing by the end of

[4:19:30] this?

[4:19:31] >> Oh, I think I think this is the best we

[4:19:32] can do here as far as the budget.

[4:19:36] >> I'll have to kind of think through the

[4:19:38] sewer is a real problem.

[4:19:42] and that isn't easily

[4:19:45] >> fixed. But I do like your idea.

[4:19:46] Sometimes

[4:19:48] >> sometimes the real obvious isn't this

[4:19:51] isn't isn't going to be the solution

[4:19:53] >> exactly.

[4:20:02] » No, because I was ask

[4:20:10] to the fee schedule yet either.

[4:20:13] >> So, back to the 50 West Link million

[4:20:17] dollar project.

[4:20:19] >> You're talking on the sewer.

[4:20:21] >> Are we still paying West Haven the way

[4:20:23] we pay every month for that?

[4:20:25] >> So, we have an engineer that's telling

[4:20:28] us that that needs to be replaced or is

[4:20:31] that West Haven telling us that?

[4:20:33] >> So, when we originally signed the

[4:20:36] agreement with West Hy, we signed it for

[4:20:38] 300 homes and to 600 homes.

[4:20:41] >> Last count we're over I would guess

[4:20:43] we're a thousand. The last time they

[4:20:44] counted it was 900. [clears throat]

[4:20:47] We haven't paid any of our share. We

[4:20:49] were supposed to be paying so much every

[4:20:51] house connection. We have not. We were

[4:20:54] supposed to be paying half the

[4:20:55] maintenance. We have not.

[4:20:58] >> So,

[4:20:58] >> you know, how did all this surface? That

[4:21:00] that's what's if all this how did all

[4:21:03] this ever surface?

[4:21:04] >> So, what happened was we got a bill from

[4:21:07] West Haven and and Morgan and I had no

[4:21:10] idea what it was. We got this wheeling

[4:21:12] fee bill and I had no idea what a

[4:21:13] wheeling fee even was. And it was at

[4:21:16] that time like $36,000 or something

[4:21:19] because we were behind. We hadn't paid.

[4:21:21] We we didn't know what it was. So then

[4:21:24] when I called West Haven and went over

[4:21:27] and asked, then their engineer pulled

[4:21:30] out this documentation and he and I

[4:21:32] could have brought it. I have it at

[4:21:33] home. Gave me a copy of all that

[4:21:35] documentation of when it was first

[4:21:36] signed with 300. Then when they

[4:21:39] increased to the 600 and then the last

[4:21:42] calculation that our financial manager

[4:21:45] had done previously, we were like 9 61

[4:21:49] homes or something. And then we're

[4:21:50] talking, you know, now close to three

[4:21:53] years ago. So we probably have had more

[4:21:56] homes in those three years. So that's

[4:21:59] when they he he said, "You really should

[4:22:02] have been paying." And right in our

[4:22:03] contract it says that X amount of

[4:22:06] dollars per new connection, half of the

[4:22:08] maintenance fee. And the engineer said,

[4:22:11] "You really should be paying this." And

[4:22:13] their sewer director said, "Okay, but we it's okay. We won't make you do

[4:22:18] that, but really you cannot keep

[4:22:21] connecting more homes into it." Now,

[4:22:24] this doesn't, as you areware aware,

[4:22:26] Dale, this doesn't go through our our um

[4:22:30] vacuum. This is

[4:22:33] goes right out and connects out you know

[4:22:35] 3300. So this is a whole little

[4:22:38] different story but you know at first I

[4:22:41] think Jared did you say Lake View was

[4:22:42] the first one that connected to it? Lake

[4:22:44] View subdivision

[4:22:46] >> Lake View Freedom all of those first

[4:22:48] ones kind of contributed more.

[4:22:54] So it kind of sounds like somehow they

[4:22:56] figured out internally that they had not

[4:22:59] build us

[4:23:00] >> and all.

[4:23:01] >> Yeah. Yeah. We we didn't pay the bill

[4:23:03] and then we didn't know and so then you

[4:23:04] know I think Lord came in and said this

[4:23:06] and I said I I have no idea. I didn't

[4:23:09] even know whether we was. So that's when

[4:23:11] they said

[4:23:13] >> so now we

[4:23:16] had left and I was coming in not knowing

[4:23:17] because they never sent us an invoice.

[4:23:20] >> So she called and said you guys need to

[4:23:22] get out. Well, because we not and I

[4:23:26] don't think it's so much capacity, but

[4:23:29] some but we this was never ever the

[4:23:33] agreement and then like Jared said it

[4:23:35] really was by the best case scenario

[4:23:40] right now.

[4:23:44] add more

[4:23:45] >> and if they don't have any more either

[4:23:50] » so how did we come up with the idea that

[4:23:52] we need to build our own

[4:23:55] >> they said well that that was the that

[4:23:58] was the lesser of the expense for us to

[4:24:00] hook to this horse man to 4000

[4:24:03] [clears throat] if we run a force man

[4:24:04] all the way to 3300 it's even more but

[4:24:06] if we hook in at 4000 this this is the

[4:24:09] cheaper of the options

[4:24:11] >> for us to

[4:24:12] We're hooking into the force maintenance

[4:24:14] the vacuum system because it was sized

[4:24:18] maybe not for build out but for future

[4:24:21] but the low flow and that causes us

[4:24:23] problem. So we thought we can tie this

[4:24:26] in there. We'll utilize some of that

[4:24:28] capacity. Now in 20 30 years we're going

[4:24:31] to need that capacity. So we're going to

[4:24:34] have to start thinking about an

[4:24:35] additional force man long term. So if we

[4:24:39] do this now it will cover us for

[4:24:50] So it's more

[4:24:52] build it and do it now would be to

[4:24:57] >> wise it's a good

[4:24:59] >> and I don't I don't know I think one of

[4:25:01] the other things when we talk about the

[4:25:03] commercial development potential up

[4:25:06] there they're going to have to tie that

[4:25:08] new lift station into this don't

[4:25:11] going to give us any more.

[4:25:15] >> So that being said,

[4:25:17] can we push some of the cost onto this

[4:25:21] commercial development

[4:25:24] if we do a CRA? Absolutely. This cost

[4:25:27] would be on

[4:25:29] >> and wasn't there remember when I

[4:25:30] attended the Weaver County thing on your

[4:25:33] behalf, there was something mentioned

[4:25:35] there that said if there was a

[4:25:37] preventative thing to development

[4:25:40] city something that was prohibitive.

[4:25:41] There was money for it. Do you remember

[4:25:43] what that was for?

[4:25:45] >> I don't know.

[4:25:46] >> Because they they talked about a sewer.

[4:25:48] They essentially said there was like a

[4:25:49] city who wanted to do an improvement or

[4:25:50] do a development, but it was prohibitive

[4:25:52] because they needed an infrastructure

[4:25:54] build out and the legislature was

[4:25:56] earmarking an opportunity for us to get

[4:25:58] funds.

[4:25:59] >> Okay. There is a low interest loan. That

[4:26:01] might be why [clears throat] this last

[4:26:03] legislature they just passed and there

[4:26:04] was like $70 million. But but it's a

[4:26:08] loan. like 1.5%.

[4:26:11] It's a really low income and that is

[4:26:13] specifically for that.

[4:26:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. There's an infrastructure

[4:26:17] prohib that makes it prohibitive for

[4:26:18] buildouts. Then cities have access to

[4:26:20] funding.

[4:26:20] >> So as you said, do we need to include

[4:26:23] that in the budget if we're maybe

[4:26:26] getting that money from

[4:26:29] developer funds of some kind?

[4:26:34] » I think it definitely could come out of

[4:26:36] the budget if we

[4:26:40] The question is are we going to do it

[4:26:42] whether we do the CRA or not? And if we

[4:26:45] are budget,

[4:26:51] » it's definitely

[4:26:52] >> conver.

[4:26:56] » Do we have a time frame? I mean, if they

[4:26:58] actually said they told you to

[4:27:02] >> said it's time to be out and you know,

[4:27:05] sewer says, "Oh, well, you know, we'll

[4:27:07] work with you for a little bit."

[4:27:09] According to their engineer, it was it

[4:27:11] should but they're not going to kick us

[4:27:13] out. They're not. But if we had a plan,

[4:27:16] I mean, all this hinges on plans. So

[4:27:19] like we have this plan within the next

[4:27:22] six months we're going to be I don't

[4:27:23] know. I'm just throwing up time frames.

[4:27:25] Next six months we're going to be

[4:27:27] applying for a CRA. We can include this

[4:27:29] in it. Can you give us a year? I think

[4:27:32] they would say yes, but if we go to them

[4:27:34] and say we we have no plan at all.

[4:27:38] about the $7 million

[4:27:44] and we don't I don't I saw you since I

[4:27:47] saw Blake Moore asked him about it and

[4:27:49] he said oh yeah you know you were the

[4:27:51] one that was but but we don't know when

[4:27:53] and we don't know the amount

[4:27:55] >> we don't know what

[4:27:57] >> we were accepted we we turned in the

[4:28:00] grant and our our grant was one that was

[4:28:03] accepted and received funding

[4:28:05] >> that we don't yet how much money or when

[4:28:08] we

[4:28:10] >> and I know the state has like they've

[4:28:12] said there $100 million for

[4:28:14] [clears throat] other stuff around and

[4:28:16] then they appropriated 150 million for

[4:28:20] town which kind of tick me off like

[4:28:22] [clears throat]

[4:28:23] it's 100 million but Salt Lake County

[4:28:25] gets 150 million but that's about our

[4:28:28] >> well they should do some of that for

[4:28:29] home [laughter]

[4:28:32] >> but yeah exactly makes

[4:28:35] >> but that's really to look into. I mean

[4:28:37] that would help and we do have

[4:28:40] >> I mean we did 5500 for commercial. It's

[4:28:44] not just

[4:28:46] the other but we do need to have

[4:28:49] something

[4:28:50] >> well with all the stuff that's coming

[4:28:52] from the state of being free and

[4:28:54] everything else and they want us to do

[4:28:56] this this and this. I'm pretty sure

[4:28:58] there will be an avenue to help us do

[4:29:00] some of this

[4:29:02] >> and we can look into what

[4:29:05] you kind of

[4:29:06] >> so that if we take the million dollar

[4:29:10] >> y

[4:29:10] >> what does that do to our numbers for

[4:29:12] monthly services?

[4:29:15] So

[4:29:23] » again, we take that out.

[4:29:25] >> If we take that out,

[4:29:26] >> we're not doing it. You're telling me

[4:29:28] then

[4:29:30] >> we're waiting on a possible grant or

[4:29:32] possible CRA with the developer.

[4:29:35] >> Yeah.

[4:29:38] » But if we put it in there as an

[4:29:40] >> ear if we did not

[4:29:43] take it out if we don't

[4:29:44] >> we had 6.25.

[4:29:46] So if we went back to that which is what

[4:29:48] we did last year

[4:29:50] >> um we'd be

[4:29:51] >> right about where we were.

[4:29:53] >> So if we took that out and dropped the

[4:29:54] rate the the increase for our residents

[4:29:56] to 6.25

[4:29:57] like we were talking about.

[4:29:59] >> Okay.

[4:29:59] >> Then we're sitting about $100,000 more

[4:30:01] favorable at the end of this

[4:30:03] >> at the end of the five year. And again,

[4:30:05] this is very rough. You know, obviously

[4:30:07] things change.

[4:30:08] >> So,

[4:30:09] what about

[4:30:16] that's what I hope the spreadsheet will

[4:30:18] do.

[4:30:20] >> Puts us at least

[4:30:25] because if we don't get a about $75 a

[4:30:28] month.

[4:30:28] >> Within a year, are we going to need that

[4:30:30] money?

[4:30:31] >> But within a year, we'll know the answer

[4:30:33] to those two question.

[4:30:34] >> Yes, we will.

[4:30:36] >> So, you'd be like 7 I'd round it up to

[4:30:39] $75.

[4:30:40] >> Okay, let's do that.

[4:30:43] >> Direction you guys want me to take?

[4:30:46] >> I mean, I like I feel like it's a much

[4:30:48] more conservative approach for our

[4:30:50] residents and it gives us an opportunity

[4:30:52] to see if we're going to get these

[4:30:53] grants or any of that stuff. gives us

[4:30:56] the talking point to say, look, we're

[4:30:57] doing everything we can on our end.

[4:30:59] >> Yeah.

[4:30:59] >> This isn't a guarantee. You're taking

[4:31:00] the risk,

[4:31:01] >> but also, you know, we're trying not to

[4:31:03] pass this full cost on you.

[4:31:05] >> What is that? What is that overall

[4:31:07] amount that the It was like nine

[4:31:09] something on your other tab.

[4:31:11] >> Oh, yeah. On the uh revenue,

[4:31:14] >> how what Ray

[4:31:15] >> How how feeling on the potential getting

[4:31:20] the grant and the realistic potential

[4:31:24] [cough]

[4:31:28] I I think we could I think we could do a

[4:31:31] CRA. I think they would be supportive of

[4:31:33] us. For one thing, we've never asked for

[4:31:35] one before. Hooper's never applied for

[4:31:37] one. Other cities have. So, I think I

[4:31:41] think we would have as good a chance as

[4:31:44] any

[4:31:45] and they they have restricted some of

[4:31:48] their but I don't know. Some ask for a

[4:31:50] lot more than we would be asking for. We

[4:31:54] for the two million for the lift and you

[4:31:56] know million for this [cough]

[4:31:58] infrastructure else that's a lot more

[4:32:01] than they were asking for example like

[4:32:03] the target or you know

[4:32:06] >> if we use cash like a grant is there

[4:32:09] some participation you think from the

[4:32:11] developers

[4:32:13] at one time Doug Han paying for a

[4:32:16] million dollar

[4:32:17] >> develop agreement there could be or

[4:32:19] should be

[4:32:20] >> so maybe the whole we

[4:32:26] Yes.

[4:32:29] [clears throat]

[4:32:34] » Money. [snorts]

[4:32:41] » Okay. Okay. Next question.

[4:32:43] >> Question.

[4:32:45] [laughter]

[4:32:46] >> On the financials

[4:32:48] um for the sewer page page 12.

[4:32:54] It seems like we've created some

[4:32:56] categories

[4:32:58] this year

[4:33:00] to begin the year because they weren't

[4:33:02] budgeted for. So if you look down the

[4:33:05] budget column, two

[4:33:09] zero

[4:33:11] we've spent money in those

[4:33:16] » financial

[4:33:24] year

[4:33:29] » but we spend money in that category to

[4:33:32] the actual some instances pretty

[4:33:34] significant like on new connection

[4:33:37] expenses.

[4:33:39] Did those categories just get created

[4:33:42] [clears throat] this fiscal year or what

[4:33:44] happened?

[4:33:45] >> What numbers which number down the aisle

[4:33:47] are you going?

[4:33:48] >> So let's start

[4:33:50] administration 2046 3000.

[4:33:54] >> Yeah. And I see what you're saying. Um

[4:33:57] >> and I'll have to go back and look at

[4:33:59] each one of those items

[4:34:01] >> um because because [clears throat]

[4:34:04] it may just be a coating. How, you know,

[4:34:07] maybe it's been coated some way in the

[4:34:09] past and it got put there. I'll have to

[4:34:11] look. The main thing overall is, you

[4:34:15] know, like I've said at the bottom if if

[4:34:18] they need to rob Peter to pay Paul,

[4:34:21] >> you know, staff.

[4:34:23] >> Some of them are fairly fairly

[4:34:25] substantial, right? 128,000, one's

[4:34:28] 81,000.

[4:34:30] >> Yeah. and without having the I didn't

[4:34:32] bring the detail ledger with me.

[4:34:33] >> So what is administration for example

[4:34:36] like what is that?

[4:34:41] » No, let me look in and see

[4:34:42] >> what we pay out of that camera.

[4:34:44] >> Well, let me pull up the default ledger.

[4:34:48] [clears throat]

[4:34:50] » Connection expenses.

[4:34:52] >> And if you have questions like this,

[4:34:54] you're welcome to email me or call me

[4:34:58] >> and stuff. But yeah, that's fine.

[4:35:00] >> No, you're fine. I'm just saying that,

[4:35:02] you know, I'm always open to talking

[4:35:04] about it.

[4:35:05] >> I'm not sure where you've got them in

[4:35:06] there. Some of the new connections would

[4:35:08] be new people hooking onto the sewer

[4:35:11] that aren't a big enough developer to do

[4:35:13] it on their own. And so they pay us, we

[4:35:16] get it done. So there's that offset. We

[4:35:19] have an expense, but

[4:35:22] come back. So it wouldn't actually be an

[4:35:24] expense. It just be covering

[4:35:26] temporarily. And what we've done,

[4:35:27] [clears throat] if you remember the last

[4:35:29] fee schedule adjustment, they're so all

[4:35:31] over the board, we can't put one fee in

[4:35:34] it. It feels like we're ripping one guy

[4:35:36] off and the next guy we're taking it in

[4:35:38] the short. So, we just have them give us

[4:35:40] a deposit, we go get the work done, buy

[4:35:43] the parts, get it done, and then we give

[4:35:45] them a list of what we spent, give their

[4:35:47] money back.

[4:35:48] >> Okay. So, what

[4:35:51] >> administration? Did you find it?

[4:35:52] >> Yeah, I've got it here.

[4:35:54] >> So, it just seems like there's been

[4:35:56] created throughout this last fiscal year

[4:35:58] because they weren't budgeted for at the

[4:36:00] beginning of last year.

[4:36:01] >> Yeah.

[4:36:03] >> Uhhuh. So this the administration is

[4:36:06] half of the utilities.

[4:36:09] Um they were not being allocated there.

[4:36:13] Um so half of the utilities for like

[4:36:16] this building per se. Um

[4:36:19] >> those are like

[4:36:20] >> should they maybe be put in with 1,000?

[4:36:23] Yeah, we could move them up and put them

[4:36:24] in with title that is this is the

[4:36:26] administrative building's sewer.

[4:36:28] >> Okay. So it's not somebody administering

[4:36:30] sewer.

[4:36:31] >> No no

[4:36:32] >> we want to flush the toilet.

[4:36:35] [laughter]

[4:36:36] >> That's what it cost to flush the toilet

[4:36:37] in the city hall.

[4:36:42] » Um the new connection

[4:36:46] >> I'm looking here that is 2046.

[4:36:51] I guess just my general question is were

[4:36:53] those categories

[4:36:55] already there or were they just created?

[4:36:58] >> They were there but for

[4:37:01] >> not they just weren't budgeted. Um this

[4:37:05] 128 is actually Central Weber sewer. We

[4:37:08] need to move that over to Central Weber

[4:37:11] sewers. That got miscoded.

[4:37:14] >> Expense. Mhm. Yeah, that 128 is actually

[4:37:18] Central Wers Central Weber Davis.

[4:37:23] Yeah, CWSD

[4:37:25] utilities. It should be over there.

[4:37:27] >> Yeah.

[4:37:30] [laughter] you can see where I'm

[4:37:31] coming from.

[4:37:34] >> Yeah. I mean, I wish I had time to go

[4:37:36] through it with a fine tooth comb and

[4:37:38] review every transaction that everybody

[4:37:40] does, but

[4:37:43] Anything

[4:37:45] else? What's next?

[4:37:48] » Are you Did you have any more

[4:37:51] to the uh

[4:37:53] >> desched time? Okay,

[4:37:54] >> fantastic. Let's jump to that.

[4:37:56] >> We'regan ordering

[4:38:00] hers. We'll go get

[4:38:01] >> So, you want me to start, Danny?

[4:38:03] >> Uh, two seconds. I'm going to pull it up

[4:38:05] right now.

[4:38:17] It would be the uh tab one, I believe.

[4:38:21] Yeah, tab one. But it's like the second

[4:38:23] page.

[4:38:30] » Same thing on this, right?

[4:38:32] >> Yeah. Same thing on that. Yep. Okay. See

[4:38:36] if my eyeballs can see it.

[4:38:39] >> Okay.

[4:38:41] Shoot away, Larry.

[4:38:43] >> Yes, I'm trying to go.

[4:38:46] >> So, this is on the uh cemetery, and it

[4:38:49] kind of boils down to what Michelle had

[4:38:52] told us when was in a whole different

[4:38:55] meeting down at Hookeration that uh uh

[4:39:00] the mortuaries are sending people out

[4:39:02] here to Hooker uh to be buried.

[4:39:05] And uh our fees are because our fees are

[4:39:09] so much lower. And was it Morgan that

[4:39:12] got us the schedule of all the

[4:39:14] surrounding cities?

[4:39:15] >> It was it was Stephanie.

[4:39:16] >> Stephanie. Oh yeah. So Stephanie gave us

[4:39:19] this thing. Uh so the next cheapest one

[4:39:23] I think was like West Haven at 575 for a

[4:39:26] resident and I think their non-resident

[4:39:29] was around,00.

[4:39:31] So my thought was uh is that uh you know

[4:39:37] and this is up for discussion but would

[4:39:40] be to raise our resident to $600

[4:39:44] >> and that which would be higher than uh

[4:39:47] the neighboring cities. But with that

[4:39:50] being said that we gave them a

[4:39:54] >> Okay. Thank you.

[4:39:56] >> I'm trying to find it. I'm like okay.

[4:40:00] Right there. give our residents uh

[4:40:03] maybe like a sixmonth grace period of

[4:40:07] the old price until hey

[4:40:10] >> you want to buy it

[4:40:12] >> what's that

[4:40:12] >> if you want to buy it

[4:40:13] >> yeah if you want it buy it $800

[4:40:16] otherwise it goes up to 600 I think the

[4:40:19] non-resident fee at $1,800

[4:40:22] uh and and I checked uh more than what

[4:40:26] Stephanie sent us out and uh I don't

[4:40:29] think it's too unreasonable

[4:40:31] But then with that, there's also one

[4:40:33] down there further if a resident sold it

[4:40:36] to a non-resident

[4:40:38] that we charge 1,200

[4:40:41] uh instead of 525.

[4:40:42] >> Does that matter because they're

[4:40:43] non-resident? I know I've experienced

[4:40:45] here in Utah, my grandparents giving,

[4:40:48] you know, we buried a son, my wife's

[4:40:51] grandpa gave us one of his spots, right?

[4:40:53] Because we weren't prepared for that. Um

[4:40:55] and so is is that how like if a transfer

[4:40:59] was to like family member. Does it apply

[4:41:01] the same?

[4:41:01] >> Probably have to ask Stephanie or

[4:41:03] Morgan. Is that

[4:41:04] >> it's kind of a local problem that we get

[4:41:08] really the grandpa if he owned it here

[4:41:10] and the grandson didn't live here, he

[4:41:12] could say, "Well, I want him in my spot

[4:41:14] in one of my places and there's no way

[4:41:16] to collect that.

[4:41:18] >> So, it gets hard to collect and all the

[4:41:20] little people try to get around it."

[4:41:23] >> That's where you increase the

[4:41:25] intermittent fees,

[4:41:26] >> the interment fees.

[4:41:28] >> Yeah.

[4:41:30] Just an FYI for thought, Bountiful City

[4:41:33] charges $2800

[4:41:35] per burial plot.

[4:41:38] >> Yeah, here they are.

[4:41:40] >> Roy is out of room, but they just bought one of those pieces of

[4:41:43] G to expand their city

[4:41:44] >> was donated to the mayor told me on

[4:41:48] Monday. It was

[4:41:50] >> by 31st. So, so when I got with

[4:41:53] Stephanie and she didn't have exact

[4:41:56] numbers, but from best

[4:41:59] >> we probably got 30 years

[4:42:01] >> I can find out

[4:42:01] >> of

[4:42:03] space here in Her possibly 40 years and

[4:42:07] that. Uh but I just think if we're the

[4:42:12] lowest in the area, yeah, why aren't you

[4:42:15] know people going to come out here? Uh

[4:42:18] and I uh

[4:42:20] these are just starting numbers for you

[4:42:22] guys uh that I thought of. Uh you know

[4:42:27] if there's a baby that's uh born uh you

[4:42:31] know I think there ought to be some

[4:42:33] consideration.

[4:42:36] » Yeah. You know

[4:42:38] >> I can tell you at Myers they don't

[4:42:40] charge for the funeral.

[4:42:42] When we buried our son, they said that

[4:42:44] they buried 17 in their family alone.

[4:42:47] And so they don't charge families for

[4:42:48] the casket service. You pay for the

[4:42:51] flowers. You try to see if somebody can.

[4:42:53] Yeah. So I mean a lot of people agree

[4:42:55] with that.

[4:42:56] >> So that's

[4:42:59] so I don't make it easy.

[4:43:03] >> 500

[4:43:05] transfer.

[4:43:08] >> I'm good with that.

[4:43:10] >> So what are you saying?

[4:43:13] change

[4:43:14] >> 515,000

[4:43:16] >> raise the fee for

[4:43:18] >> but are you still okay if we get per

[4:43:22] >> so a non-resident would become a

[4:43:24] thousand for

[4:43:25] >> I mean the 600 that would be to 500 up

[4:43:29] higher

[4:43:30] >> okay so this one

[4:43:32] >> to 500 okay

[4:43:35] >> and then a500

[4:43:38] there

[4:43:39] >> 15 there Okay,

[4:43:43] » we probably should look at perpetual

[4:43:45] care too because at that rate

[4:43:49] >> we will never get enough money build up

[4:43:51] to ever do anything

[4:43:52] >> at least.

[4:43:53] >> I think so too.

[4:43:54] >> At least.

[4:43:55] >> Okay. And then now with that 500 we will

[4:43:58] be the cheapest in this area. Is that

[4:44:02] >> 600 per?

[4:44:04] >> Oh 600 with perpetual care.

[4:44:08] >> Yeah. Do we want the non perpetual care

[4:44:10] to be more.

[4:44:12] >> I would too.

[4:44:13] >> I'd actually almost

[4:44:17] [laughter]

[4:44:19] » 500uge.

[4:44:23] » You know what? They're not res. They're

[4:44:26] not paying the property taxes to

[4:44:28] >> if you have to use general fund to pay

[4:44:31] for it.

[4:44:31] >> And then we need to transfer from a

[4:44:34] resident to a non-resident.

[4:44:38] And I can tell you what happens with

[4:44:39] that. You just come in and put someone

[4:44:42] else's name on it and then you don't pay

[4:44:44] the transfer fee. The only time you pay

[4:44:47] the transfer fee is if you actually have

[4:44:49] it transferred. But for example, I mean

[4:44:53] your kids, but if you had that Colorado

[4:44:57] and you

[4:44:58] >> just said,000,

[4:44:59] >> you would just put his name on it and

[4:45:01] then he but it's but it's when you bury

[4:45:04] him that they have to pay the

[4:45:05] non-resident fee.

[4:45:07] >> So it's not even so much the transfer

[4:45:09] fee because people really

[4:45:11] >> that's just ownership

[4:45:14] » but you sell it to somebody, you can

[4:45:16] only sell it back to the city.

[4:45:19] >> You You can't just advertise in the

[4:45:20] paper. You can't.

[4:45:22] >> No.

[4:45:23] >> So, that's just that transfer fee

[4:45:25] certificate that they do. But I would

[4:45:28] even more so than even doing that is

[4:45:30] maybe have it be the opening and the

[4:45:32] closing of the graves

[4:45:33] >> for it.

[4:45:35] >> Yeah.

[4:45:35] >> So, remove this.

[4:45:38] >> Well, I mean, just add

[4:45:41] [cough and clears throat]

[4:45:45] So non-resident

[4:45:47] >> I mean you could double that. I mean

[4:45:49] it's only 25 if it went up to 50 the

[4:45:53] from resident owner to another res

[4:45:59] » Shauna. How long did you uh ago did you

[4:46:02] move in here?

[4:46:03] >> I moved in

[4:46:06] since 2006.

[4:46:07] >> Oh

[4:46:09] 20 years.

[4:46:10] >> So let's Yeah, I know. She is.

[4:46:12] >> So yeah. So do I do I qualify for being

[4:46:15] now?

[4:46:15] >> So let's say Shauna just doesn't even

[4:46:17] live here

[4:46:19] and I'm a real good friend of Shauna and

[4:46:22] I come and buy a resident lot because

[4:46:26] Shauna's husband just passed away and

[4:46:29] she wants him buried out here. I mean is

[4:46:31] this so what would that process? I would

[4:46:35] pay $500 for that and then she would

[4:46:39] bury her husband. She had no I used to

[4:46:42] put her at all.

[4:46:48] » That's what I was saying.

[4:46:49] >> Say she doesn't live here. She's got to

[4:46:52] pay.

[4:46:54] >> Okay.

[4:46:54] >> All right.

[4:47:02] It's down below county where you're

[4:47:05] doing that

[4:47:10] realize

[4:47:12] we are not encouraging that

[4:47:15] >> you know

[4:47:17] I don't know if they want to raise the

[4:47:18] resident but that's the non-resident

[4:47:21] >> yeah that that one's the monument

[4:47:23] >> see that's the monument fee right so

[4:47:26] that is the resident weekend and

[4:47:29] holiday.

[4:47:30] >> Okay.

[4:47:30] >> Oh, no. I guess you're right. You're

[4:47:33] right.

[4:47:33] >> Okay.

[4:47:34] >> I was like, hold on. I thought the

[4:47:35] monument was there. Okay.

[4:47:37] >> The thing is is if you do the opening

[4:47:39] and closing, you do also have to set

[4:47:46] » Where is the opening? I don't even see

[4:47:48] that.

[4:47:49] >> That's right.

[4:47:52] [clears throat]

[4:47:52] >> Right behind your

[4:47:54] >> Oh, sorry.

[4:47:56] >> My big head.

[4:47:57] >> [laughter]

[4:48:00] » Okay.

[4:48:01] >> So, one thing that if you are setting

[4:48:04] for resident and non-resident, you need

[4:48:06] to consider those that are move into

[4:48:08] like a nursing home or something. So,

[4:48:10] you'd want to say, okay, if you move if

[4:48:13] you lived in Hooper for say

[4:48:17] >> 10 years, five years and you move into a

[4:48:20] nursing home or a care facility,

[4:48:23] >> that doesn't remove your residency. We

[4:48:25] have that in our roles currently.

[4:48:29] >> They move from their home directly to a

[4:48:31] care facility.

[4:48:32] >> Is it just care facilities?

[4:48:38] » I think we

[4:48:40] >> which like I've seen that the council

[4:48:43] can veto it. They can choose to go to

[4:48:45] council and the council can veto

[4:48:46] >> veto the fee.

[4:48:47] >> Yeah. Which in that situation I think

[4:48:50] absolutely.

[4:48:50] >> Like my boy lived with us his whole

[4:48:51] life. He's in the army. Now he's in

[4:48:53] Hawaii. if something happened to him

[4:48:54] overseas. One

[4:48:56] >> still be considered res.

[4:48:59] >> I think someone asked if we could have a

[4:49:01] veteran.

[4:49:02] >> They wondered if we could have a less

[4:49:04] fur veteran a nice it would be have to

[4:49:07] go through city council.

[4:49:08] >> Yeah.

[4:49:11] That's what I think like opening

[4:49:13] closing of grace for veterans that makes

[4:49:14] sense where we break.

[4:49:16] >> Yeah.

[4:49:17] That's I think we it definitely

[4:49:19] makes sense we try. So Sherry, once we

[4:49:22] do, in case if we forget later, Ryan had

[4:49:24] a good point. Uh once we approve all

[4:49:28] this, it would be nice if we could have

[4:49:30] the office send all the mortuaries under

[4:49:33] the fee schedule.

[4:49:35] >> So

[4:49:38] we're referring for

[4:49:41] >> Yeah.

[4:49:41] >> Okay. So do we want to say non-resident

[4:49:44] opening?

[4:49:45] I mean, we've upped the burial space to

[4:49:48] 15. Do we want to up the

[4:49:50] resident opening to 15. Is that what I'm

[4:49:53] hearing? Or

[4:49:55] >> not go as much there.

[4:50:00] » Yeah.

[4:50:03] >> And keep the resident opening and

[4:50:05] closing at 300.

[4:50:07] >> Yeah, that makes sense.

[4:50:08] >> Does that cover cost?

[4:50:11] >> Yeah, probably.

[4:50:13] >> Where do you put, you know what I mean?

[4:50:16] The back, but it gets used in all the

[4:50:18] department.

[4:50:19] I'm sure that's Yeah,

[4:50:21] >> weekend and holiday. I would dare say

[4:50:23] that that could just be one fee in and

[4:50:27] of itself and probably hit

[4:50:30] >> or unless you want to res

[4:50:34] have them be the same.

[4:50:35] >> Mhm. But do you guys want

[4:50:37] >> the non0000?

[4:50:44] » We're going to add the vets there.

[4:50:47] bedroom.

[4:50:48] >> Okay.

[4:50:49] >> And the two below the babies as well.

[4:50:51] >> Okay.

[4:50:54] » I think that's a nice thing to

[4:50:57] >> for sure.

[4:50:59] >> Really?

[4:50:59] >> Yeah.

[4:51:00] >> There isn't.

[4:51:01] >> I bet like a third of our burial.

[4:51:06] So there's a lot of people been in the

[4:51:07] military that

[4:51:10] >> Okay. So you're all good with what I've

[4:51:12] got there then.

[4:51:14] >> Glance through it. Scroll down.

[4:51:28] » So would that even apply here? Do we

[4:51:29] still have spaces in the old section?

[4:51:32] >> Are they ones that people own or that

[4:51:34] are still

[4:51:40] » Doesn't this apply for all not the old

[4:51:43] and new? Well, I was talking about so

[4:51:45] there's a monument fee for a flat versus

[4:51:48] an upright. And I was saying I didn't I

[4:51:50] didn't know that we had a lot of

[4:51:51] uprights because it looks like most of

[4:51:53] them are flat. He was saying the old

[4:51:54] section has

[4:51:55] >> Oh, yeah.

[4:51:57] >> Yeah. The new section doesn't allow

[4:52:02] >> Yeah. While we're on the fee schedule

[4:52:04] really quick, so the park and arena

[4:52:05] rental, I don't know how got messed up

[4:52:08] when approving it last year, but the uh

[4:52:12] youth daily group fee went down to 100

[4:52:15] and it has been 325. So, we're just

[4:52:18] going to jump that back up to 325. And

[4:52:20] then the approved adult writing group

[4:52:23] was approved at 400, but it's always

[4:52:25] been at 525.

[4:52:27] >> So, that needs to go to the 425 there or

[4:52:29] 325.

[4:52:31] >> Yeah. And then the 4 just a mouse.

[4:52:34] >> All right. Sorry.

[4:52:37] >> And then

[4:52:38] there's a $100 deposit for shell for

[4:52:41] seasonal rentals. We took out all the

[4:52:43] deposit

[4:52:47] » in the description or the notes to your

[4:52:49] left.

[4:52:50] >> Oh, right.

[4:52:57] Nobody

[4:53:03] riding groups that are seasonal.

[4:53:07] >> Oh, like the forage.

[4:53:08] >> Yeah.

[4:53:11] >> Honestly, my kids do that type of stuff.

[4:53:14] They're ridiculously low, but it is

[4:53:16] highly political when you raise those.

[4:53:19] But that's just If you want to subsidize

[4:53:21] that for the kids, then great.

[4:53:23] >> Man, my kids just got into it. And

[4:53:25] [clears throat] I got a whole earful the

[4:53:27] other night and they were like, "Oh,

[4:53:28] you're

[4:53:29] even turn your sprinklers on. It was too

[4:53:31] dusty over there." They were like doing

[4:53:32] this whole thing about how they started

[4:53:33] riding in Plane City because we And so I

[4:53:36] asked the mayor about it. She's like,

[4:53:37] "Yeah, we turned them on like they got

[4:53:38] to ask us and we'll do it." But the

[4:53:40] whole age group went to Plane City

[4:53:41] because they said we were

[4:53:43] >> in a good year. We water every day. But

[4:53:46] we have to buy our water either from

[4:53:48] upper irrigation.

[4:53:50] One time we bought it from culinary

[4:53:52] [cough and clears throat] or buy it from

[4:53:53] culinary water, put it in a water truck

[4:53:55] and pay an employee to go.

[4:53:57] >> I didn't even know it was a thing. I

[4:53:58] just my kids are doing it like

[4:54:02] let me know.

[4:54:06] » If you take like my kids will pay more

[4:54:10] weekend

[4:54:12] than they pay all year.

[4:54:16] Okay.

[4:54:18] >> Are we wanting to do anything with the

[4:54:20] zoning and code enforcement fees?

[4:54:29] » If you asked, I assume that we should,

[4:54:31] huh?

[4:54:32] >> Well, we just [cough and clears throat]

[4:54:34] staff meeting

[4:54:37] come to staff meeting and gave us an

[4:54:39] update on all of his issues that we've

[4:54:42] turned in, which was super helpful.

[4:54:44] like you said, we just need somebody to

[4:54:46] go out and actually enforce that. Um, we

[4:54:49] had a staff member actually offer to do

[4:54:52] that. We just haven't really discussed

[4:54:54] it more. So,

[4:54:56] >> do we need to add that that Rocky

[4:54:59] Mountain power connection

[4:55:01] [clears throat] fee on our street light?

[4:55:04] >> Yes.

[4:55:08] » On that one, we can just put actual

[4:55:10] cost.

[4:55:11] So, we need to add what

[4:55:14] >> street installation

[4:55:18] probably got that other block that's

[4:55:26] power.

[4:55:34] How did adjusting the facility usage?

[4:55:38] Remember how that was brought up?

[4:55:41] that you know we adjusted it because we

[4:55:42] have this group somewhere from here.

[4:55:45] Did that affect that relationship? They

[4:55:47] stopped coming here.

[4:55:49] >> We told them no more.

[4:55:50] >> Yeah.

[4:55:51] >> He tried to make it work with Saturdays,

[4:55:53] but then we chose not to the fields this

[4:55:55] year either. So

[4:55:56] >> I think it just upset him completely.

[4:55:58] But so I do think he'll come back next

[4:56:01] year and hopes to play on the Saturday.

[4:56:04] >> So we might have to look into that

[4:56:08] actual cost. I don't know if you need to

[4:56:10] Um, won't we just do see current costs?

[4:56:14] >> Won't we just add it as one of that? I

[4:56:16] know be okay. Okay,

[4:56:18] >> that's what my thought was. But

[4:56:19] >> okay, where's our code?

[4:56:24] » Just down underneath public works.

[4:56:27] on page 406

[4:56:30] [cough]

[4:56:44] » at the very top.

[4:56:45] >> Yeah.

[4:56:50] » So, we updated this last time. It used

[4:56:52] to be no fine, 50 bucks, 100 bucks for

[4:56:54] the third notice completely. But now

[4:56:56] I've changed it to per day each time and

[4:56:59] then legal action.

[4:57:02] So I think that's pretty

[4:57:04] >> seems low

[4:57:06] charge you $1,000 on your fourth notice

[4:57:08] of water usage. So

[4:57:12] >> 250 a day add up pretty quick if you got

[4:57:16] >> that's fair.

[4:57:21] » So what was your suggestion?

[4:57:24] >> I just would say I guess just back to

[4:57:26] our point earlier today that we just

[4:57:29] need to have more teeth in doing this

[4:57:31] and more

[4:57:32] So, so the hard part I think

[4:57:34] administratively who who issues that

[4:57:36] $125

[4:57:38] is it a letter from the city? None of us

[4:57:40] have a ticket book.

[4:57:42] >> You know, if a cop writes your ticket

[4:57:44] and you throw it in the garbage, it

[4:57:45] still goes to the court area. We don't

[4:57:48] have that mechanism here. And then once

[4:57:51] it gets to the legal action, we've got

[4:57:53] to be willing to pay the attorney to

[4:57:55] actually take it to court and prepare

[4:57:57] it. I guess would those fees cover the

[4:58:00] cost of the attorney fee?

[4:58:02] >> So could if we actually get

[4:58:04] >> if we collect it.

[4:58:05] >> So will the sheriff not enforce

[4:58:08] anything as part of our contract

[4:58:11] agreement with them? Will they not

[4:58:12] enforce code

[4:58:13] >> with code?

[4:58:13] >> No, they won't

[4:58:17] know going down my street or anything

[4:58:19] >> that new ordinance for noise years ago.

[4:58:25] » Have you tried to call the police? But

[4:58:27] we charge with

[4:58:28] >> I don't know. I grew up in the deep

[4:58:29] south. We don't call the police.

[4:58:31] [laughter]

[4:58:32] >> That's true.

[4:58:34] >> We don't. Everybody got We do.

[4:58:37] [laughter]

[4:58:39] » That's why I need to move back there.

[4:58:42] >> I don't know if it's something we want

[4:58:43] to keep and then try to do a tracking

[4:58:45] system somehow and see where we're at

[4:58:47] next budget year. I don't know.

[4:58:52] We probably need to look into that with

[4:58:54] Darren or somebody and just see how we

[4:58:56] legally and how that fine gets reported

[4:59:00] to like the court system

[4:59:05] » and what would our cost be to have it

[4:59:08] legally?

[4:59:09] >> Yeah. So, we've turned in some things to

[4:59:11] our attorney before and he said send it

[4:59:14] to one of them send them to Bonville

[4:59:16] Collections but that's not on these.

[4:59:17] It's on

[4:59:20] to them, but nothing ever nothing ever.

[4:59:24] >> We we use Bonavville collections and

[4:59:26] we've used a different collection and

[4:59:29] that was the biggest waste of our time

[4:59:31] to send it into them. We never ever got

[4:59:34] anything. I

[4:59:38] Yeah, I'm not impressed with the

[4:59:39] collection agencies.

[4:59:42] If with these though, you can if it is

[4:59:45] on property, which is what these

[4:59:47] typically are, add it to the property

[4:59:49] tax. And most of the time, if they have

[4:59:51] a mortgage, they don't even know.

[4:59:56] » The mortgage company.

[4:59:57] >> So, I guess let's talk to Darren about

[4:59:58] that and see how that can be.

[5:00:01] So when I've assisted with it, again,

[5:00:03] this is just experience from where I was

[5:00:05] previous at. We would send them the

[5:00:08] first notice, they didn't respond. We

[5:00:10] send them a bill for the second notice,

[5:00:11] they didn't respond, send them the third

[5:00:13] notice bill, they don't respond. Then we

[5:00:15] would actually just send it to the

[5:00:18] property tax. We hire somebody to come

[5:00:20] do it and send everything to the

[5:00:22] property tax

[5:00:24] and then just get added to their

[5:00:26] property tax. And if they don't pay

[5:00:27] their property taxes in five years,

[5:00:31] So at what point do we do the process?

[5:00:37] » Yeah. So so we tically worked out this

[5:00:40] agreement with someone today. We told

[5:00:41] her we would give her six months and if

[5:00:44] it wasn't

[5:00:48] going to go to the city I mean we pay

[5:00:52] all those expenses then it gets added

[5:00:54] on.

[5:00:59] » So So if we get to that point, say we

[5:01:02] send all the notices and then we do an

[5:01:04] abatement and say it's 15 20 grand. What

[5:01:08] do we pay for that with?

[5:01:09] >> Yeah,

[5:01:10] >> because we're we might get it back when

[5:01:12] they sell the property on the tax sale,

[5:01:14] but it's not going to be soon.

[5:01:16] >> No, you just have to pay for it out.

[5:01:18] >> And I think when we met with today, it

[5:01:20] could be more than that.

[5:01:21] >> Oh, yeah.

[5:01:23] >> So then we would need to assess like how

[5:01:25] big the problem is, right?

[5:01:28] Do you want to do the automatic

[5:01:30] abatement before legal action or do you

[5:01:32] want to have the attorney get him in

[5:01:34] front of a judge and say, "Here's the

[5:01:36] problem."

[5:01:37] >> But Brandon Richards when he was our

[5:01:40] attorney, he said he did some of those

[5:01:42] before and they give them a long time.

[5:01:45] And they're like, "Okay, six months."

[5:01:46] Then they come back and say, "Well, I

[5:01:48] did a little bit. We'll give you six

[5:01:50] more months." So sometimes they can go

[5:01:51] on for years [cough]

[5:01:53] even after you get them in the court

[5:01:55] system.

[5:01:57] But collecting this what you're saying

[5:01:59] it's not going to pay for our attorney

[5:02:00] to go do any or pay for the abatement

[5:02:04] $20,000 abatement. None of this is

[5:02:08] >> we actually had a line item or like we

[5:02:11] do removal. So because you do have to

[5:02:13] pay for it up front.

[5:02:16] >> So what what amount did you have in

[5:02:19] there?

[5:02:20] >> I don't remember.

[5:02:22] >> That could be something that we should

[5:02:23] add. It was It was more than a couple

[5:02:26] thousand. I'll tell you that much. It

[5:02:28] was like 10 20.

[5:02:29] >> Well, because this one today we're

[5:02:31] talking about, you know, us pay like we

[5:02:33] call waste management. See if they'll do

[5:02:35] a 30

[5:02:37] yard dumpster, but then we're going to

[5:02:40] pay to have it hauled off because we

[5:02:42] figure that's going to be less expensive

[5:02:43] than if we do the wait to get.

[5:02:49] >> But even though you haul it off, you've

[5:02:51] noticed her.

[5:02:52] >> Yeah. Then you can add that to the

[5:02:54] property tax is my understanding but

[5:02:55] that would be a legal question. Yeah.

[5:02:59] >> So uh question Morgan

[5:03:01] >> uh these grandma requests fees are those

[5:03:04] set by the state or

[5:03:06] >> in the state you [clears throat] can

[5:03:08] only charge the dollar amount for the

[5:03:11] person that's qualified to do it.

[5:03:19] I would not touch a grammar request, but

[5:03:22] I I guess you so basic with grammar

[5:03:25] request, you have to tell them if it's

[5:03:28] going to take me six hours to complete,

[5:03:30] I need your money up front and then I

[5:03:33] will start the process.

[5:03:35] Like I just had a

[5:03:37] >> first hour is no cost, right? First no

[5:03:39] cost after 25

[5:03:43] hourly fee,

[5:03:45] you know,

[5:03:47] >> benefits,

[5:03:47] >> you know, like a lawyer charges $350.

[5:03:50] Why can't we charge 150 for

[5:03:56] >> you can only charge what that person

[5:03:58] makes? But I want to say you could

[5:04:00] include benefits.

[5:04:02] >> Okay.

[5:04:03] >> Total rewards. But don't quote me on I

[5:04:05] would look in.

[5:04:05] >> So would that be around 150 an hour for

[5:04:08] her?

[5:04:10] >> At least. You kidding me, Lori? At least

[5:04:12] 500.

[5:04:14] [laughter]

[5:04:15] >> Soda pop. It's probably [clears throat]

[5:04:17] >> No, that would be me. [laughter]

[5:04:20] >> Up to the max because that last request,

[5:04:23] I know how much time we spent and I

[5:04:26] don't know how much time she spent, but

[5:04:27] I know what I sent her and uh

[5:04:30] >> I know what I sent her, too.

[5:04:32] Yeah, there was a ton. And so I

[5:04:35] >> most people will back away when I tell

[5:04:37] them it's going to take me however long.

[5:04:39] I need this money up front. Never mind.

[5:04:42] >> Do that. You work really slow, right?

[5:04:44] >> Huh?

[5:04:45] >> When you do that, you work really slow.

[5:04:47] >> Well, it is it is a time because I

[5:04:49] collect it. Then I send it to our

[5:04:50] attorneys and say, "What can I release?

[5:04:52] What do I need to redact?"

[5:04:53] >> I agree that you should work for an

[5:04:56] hour. Take a 10-minute break. Works for

[5:04:58] an hour.

[5:04:58] >> She's very thorough.

[5:05:00] It's a legal process.

[5:05:02] >> I get

[5:05:05] so

[5:05:08] $25 enough.

[5:05:10] >> I mean, that's not

[5:05:13] really anymore.

[5:05:16] >> That's why I mean,

[5:05:18] >> and if you add benefits, it's definitely

[5:05:20] going to change it. So, I would

[5:05:21] definitely double check.

[5:05:23] >> What's it say at the restaurant when

[5:05:25] they don't know the prices? Like market

[5:05:26] rate.

[5:05:26] >> Yeah. Market rate. Morgan, just get the

[5:05:29] max out. That's legal

[5:05:31] [clears throat and cough]

[5:05:31] and let us know by what next Thursday.

[5:05:36] >> We'll put that in with these others.

[5:05:39] >> Yeah, that's just

[5:05:50] » so you might want to put on there just

[5:05:51] like market rate or whatever the current

[5:05:53] market like something that encompasses

[5:05:56] >> rather than

[5:05:58] all over the state.

[5:06:00] I swear it said no, but

[5:06:02] >> I suppose that could be a different

[5:06:05] person.

[5:06:06] >> So they requested something from

[5:06:08] engineering. We're have to pay our

[5:06:09] engineering rate, right?

[5:06:13] >> So market rate.

[5:06:16] >> Yeah, I'm fine. And then when they call,

[5:06:18] she can let them know what that is. like

[5:06:22] a restaurant with

[5:06:24] >> So, do we have to have these three

[5:06:25] things in the

[5:06:35] » If we have anything we need to change,

[5:06:37] we need to know because we need to get

[5:06:40] this

[5:06:41] we have to get the public noticed,

[5:06:44] right?

[5:06:44] >> Yeah. But it says the budget officer

[5:06:47] shall budget officer statement that the

[5:06:50] tenative budget includes a proposed tax

[5:06:52] rate increase. This is what the tenative

[5:06:56] budget has to include.

[5:06:58] Um taxing entity and it has to be the

[5:07:01] first meeting in May. The taxing entity

[5:07:04] includes on the agenda for the public

[5:07:06] meeting a separate identifi item

[5:07:09] notifying the public that an extensive

[5:07:12] or executive officer or budget officer

[5:07:14] of the tax entity intends to state in

[5:07:18] the public meeting that the tenative

[5:07:20] budget includes a proposed tax rate

[5:07:22] increase and then an entity shall

[5:07:25] present a property tax impact schedule

[5:07:28] that is separate from all other budget

[5:07:30] documents. But I don't think you have to

[5:07:33] actually

[5:07:35] like put that in. I don't know.

[5:07:38] >> I just I sorry to get all off topic, but

[5:07:41] on the said tenative budget for fiscal

[5:07:43] year

[5:07:45] including a proposed tax rate increase.

[5:07:48] >> I think that would cover it.

[5:07:50] >> And then you attach

[5:07:55] something.

[5:08:02] Yeah.

[5:08:05] >> Um, but I don't think we would have to

[5:08:08] put those in there.

[5:08:10] >> I wouldn't think so. Just as long as

[5:08:11] it's publicly heard.

[5:08:14] And then at a public meeting between May

[5:08:16] 1st and June 13th, the taxing entity

[5:08:19] includes on the agenda for the public

[5:08:22] meeting a separate item notifying the

[5:08:25] public that the executive officer or

[5:08:27] budget officer of the taxing entity

[5:08:30] intends to state the following. And then

[5:08:33] I have to state.

[5:08:35] >> Yeah, I think that's just

[5:08:44] » for

[5:08:47] hot dogs if anybody wants.

[5:08:52] » Okay. Anyway, so is there any new

[5:08:54] changes you want because we need to have

[5:08:56] this because this meeting is next

[5:08:58] Thursday.

[5:08:59] >> Yeah.

[5:09:00] >> And it needs to go out.

[5:09:02] I would say that you know probably worst

[5:09:05] case Monday I'll

[5:09:07] >> Monday before I leave the office I'll

[5:09:10] get you guys all updated lists copies

[5:09:13] >> so I guess my other question is the uh

[5:09:18] truth and taxation thing are we

[5:09:22] >> is that the decision that we are going

[5:09:24] to

[5:09:24] >> what's that

[5:09:25] >> yeah are we going to propose that

[5:09:28] >> so we so we can't make a decision

[5:09:32] We can kind of have a discussion as far

[5:09:34] as

[5:09:34] >> do you want it included in the budget?

[5:09:36] Should I leave it in the budget

[5:09:39] >> because

[5:09:41] it can be specific to something that's

[5:09:43] increasing?

[5:09:44] >> Yes.

[5:09:47] >> I think we do.

[5:09:53] » Okay. I'll leave it in the budget then.

[5:09:55] >> I get the feeling that everybody wants

[5:09:56] it left in the budget. I'm going to

[5:09:57] leave it in the budget. If you don't

[5:09:59] want it, you can propose otherwise.

[5:10:01] How's that? [laughter]

[5:10:02] >> I think we're within legal rounds of

[5:10:04] that.

[5:10:05] >> Even if it's approved because that's

[5:10:06] what they said. If people sometimes say

[5:10:08] they're going to do it, then you that

[5:10:11] doesn't mean we absolutely have to find

[5:10:14] that sheet.

[5:10:20] » Yes, we have to have it. And that's why

[5:10:23] I gave you like that checklist in the

[5:10:25] back is so that you guys hopefully it

[5:10:27] helps you a little bit to understand

[5:10:29] helps me as well. So

[5:10:30] >> Sherry, you're going to email everybody

[5:10:33] that new updated.

[5:10:35] >> I was going to look and see if I could

[5:10:36] find it right now. Okay. So one

[5:10:39] question. So if we want to have Carrie

[5:10:43] come, she told me she has availability

[5:10:46] in May. Do we want to have her come

[5:10:49] before we have the May meeting where

[5:10:52] we're saying

[5:10:54] the we're going to have our statement,

[5:10:56] then we're going to have our statement,

[5:10:57] then we're going to have our schedule.

[5:11:00] So, we have to have it before June 13th,

[5:11:04] which means that we have a council

[5:11:07] meeting June 4th

[5:11:10] that we have to have the public meeting.

[5:11:14] >> Are you talking before the public

[5:11:15] meeting?

[5:11:17] So I'm I'm thinking we would probably

[5:11:19] want her I would think to come probably

[5:11:22] in

[5:11:24] May so she could start I think the

[5:11:27] sooner we start to explain it

[5:11:29] >> just have to make sure we have time to

[5:11:31] give out information she

[5:11:35] >> right the most important thing is that

[5:11:36] we got to let people know because if

[5:11:39] they don't know if she comes then

[5:11:43] >> she said she has wide available

[5:11:46] the week of May 11th through the 15th.

[5:11:49] She's also available May 18th, 19th.

[5:11:53] Then she's leaving town May 21st, 26

[5:11:57] >> and then available May 27th, 28th.

[5:11:59] >> Council meeting.

[5:12:01] >> Well, and I don't know if we want to

[5:12:03] have it at a council meeting or we want

[5:12:05] to do a town hall meeting that hour

[5:12:08] before. I mean, we even start it earlier

[5:12:11] or we do it another day. I don't know. I

[5:12:14] leave town from the 15th council meeting

[5:12:17] on the 21st.

[5:12:19] So she's going to townst

[5:12:22] on the 21st

[5:12:23] >> and that is Memorial Week

[5:12:26] >> and I'm out of town the week before. Not

[5:12:28] saying you have to do it around me, but

[5:12:31] >> yeah,

[5:12:34] >> I'd be in favor of [clears throat] not

[5:12:36] having it

[5:12:38] the night of the council meeting, just

[5:12:40] having it separate. I think so too.

[5:12:46] » Well, you know what? It should be

[5:12:48] important enough to people that they

[5:12:49] will want to show up on whatever night

[5:12:52] we

[5:12:52] >> Yeah. headline. Think about raising your

[5:12:54] taxes. Come talk to us.

[5:12:55] >> There you go. Boom.

[5:12:58] >> So, you're thinking like maybe 7th.

[5:13:00] >> When do you say you're leaving?

[5:13:02] >> Or I leave the 15th.

[5:13:04] >> So, what if we even did What day did you

[5:13:07] say our

[5:13:08] >> about the 13th of May?

[5:13:10] Wednesday

[5:13:14] » or Tuesday?

[5:13:15] >> Yeah. What What about the 13th? That

[5:13:17] would be before you leave that

[5:13:19] Wednesday.

[5:13:21] >> You're leaving.

[5:13:22] >> I'm leaving the 15th.

[5:13:24] >> My after tax season recovery. [laughter]

[5:13:29] >> Sorry.

[5:13:30] >> That's why I'm going to work for

[5:13:33] [laughter]

[5:13:34] >> I have been

[5:13:37] a

[5:13:37] >> I'm done with my 65 hour weeks.

[5:13:41] district.

[5:13:43] >> Well, Wednesdays there's less crap going

[5:13:44] on, I think.

[5:13:47] [clears throat]

[5:13:49] Wednesday,

[5:13:51] >> Wednesday the 13th.

[5:13:54] >> Are we talking like a five, six?

[5:13:58] >> Well, we want a lot of residents to

[5:14:00] come. We'd be better off saying six.

[5:14:02] >> You definitely need to go to six.

[5:14:09] » So, she's gonna be

[5:14:10] >> she drives that from Salt Lake. She may

[5:14:13] I don't know.

[5:14:14] >> Find out what her schedule is, but

[5:14:15] >> okay. Maybe no earlier than 6.

[5:14:18] >> No earlier than six. We have to go to

[5:14:19] 7.8.

[5:14:21] >> So, her presentation is probably going

[5:14:23] to be uh down there. It was an hour and

[5:14:26] 15 minutes. And she's going to have a

[5:14:30] whole bunch of questions.

[5:14:31] >> She is gonna have a lot of questions.

[5:14:37] » I'm thinking six would be

[5:14:38] >> if she can make that work, go for it.

[5:14:43] » And then Sherry, find out how much more

[5:14:45] she charges to specifically put towards

[5:14:48] Flipper because

[5:14:49] >> you know the stuff that she was putting

[5:14:51] up there, that was part of what was

[5:14:53] confusing me a little bit. She was

[5:14:55] showing uh homes, what 10 different

[5:14:59] homes there. And then if somebody moved

[5:15:01] in, well, man, if that said, uh, you

[5:15:05] know, Del's homes here, Larry Roto's

[5:15:09] homes here, uh, his is worth a million,

[5:15:11] mine's worth a hundred,000. You know, I I think it'd be better if

[5:15:19] she could gauge it a little bit toward

[5:15:22] I think that she was just trying if

[5:15:25] everybody's houses were the same, but

[5:15:27] then one house's property value drops

[5:15:29] and all of a sudden the rest of you have

[5:15:31] to pay a little more because that

[5:15:33] person's paying less and then people

[5:15:35] say, "Well,

[5:15:38] >> it was just it was weird."

[5:15:48] » Okay.

[5:15:50] >> What else?

[5:15:52] Let me know if she needs anything from

[5:15:54] me, Sher. Otherwise, I'll just plan

[5:15:55] attending but not really presenting

[5:15:58] anything.

[5:15:59] >> Well, [clears throat and cough] we have

[5:16:01] specific. So, I think what we for sure

[5:16:03] want to know is that specific of those

[5:16:06] numbers of what it

[5:16:08] >> Yeah.

[5:16:09] >> So, that's why I'm like if whatever she

[5:16:10] needs, I can give her, but

[5:16:12] >> I won't plan on presenting because I

[5:16:14] don't want to take away from her by no

[5:16:16] means.

[5:16:20] » What's that? Diet Coke.

[5:16:22] >> Oh, I can go forever on Diet Coke. Can I

[5:16:24] Ryan

[5:16:27] [laughter]

[5:16:31] equivalent of the house

[5:16:36] to kind of show

[5:16:40] an

[5:16:44] [cough]

[5:16:47] » Yeah, that comparable.

[5:16:51] did that once that he went through all

[5:16:53] the cities in Weaver County and and we

[5:16:56] really weren't the highest. Well, we're

[5:16:58] not because

[5:17:01] » we were

[5:17:04] okay. So, let's get them.

[5:17:10] Okay. Any other things with the fee

[5:17:14] schedule at the moment?

[5:17:16] >> Not that big.

[5:17:17] >> Okay. If you have additional feel free

[5:17:20] to email me. I'd say, like I said,

[5:17:23] Monday, I need to try and get it back

[5:17:27] out to you guys with any changes and all

[5:17:29] changes. So, if you have anything that

[5:17:33] you think of that, you know, even if

[5:17:35] it's different from what's printed and

[5:17:36] you can't remember if we talked about

[5:17:38] the meeting, just shoot me an email. I'm

[5:17:40] happy to just verify that it's in there,

[5:17:43] please.

[5:17:43] >> And then, are you going to email us a

[5:17:45] copy of the uh and it will be the red

[5:17:48] line, right? Yes. Yeah. I'm gonna say

[5:17:50] this is what's there's a lot of stuff in

[5:17:53] there.

[5:17:53] >> A lot of stuff.

[5:17:55] >> You [laughter] mean I do something

[5:17:59] » at night?

[5:18:00] >> Yeah. You confuse my head. [laughter]

[5:18:07] I can ask about some checks on the check

[5:18:09] registry.

[5:18:11] >> Sure.

[5:18:17] » 11,000,000

[5:18:19] a couple differents.

[5:18:24] » Crossing cards. Thank you.

[5:18:29] » Are they

[5:18:33] dragonite displays? Is that

[5:18:36] >> fireworks?

[5:18:38] with this company for this year.

[5:18:41] >> I think so.

[5:18:43] >> Yeah, I think Jamie got in contact with

[5:18:45] a few and they were the cheapest.

[5:18:48] >> Does everybody know that Jamie's the one

[5:18:50] running it this year?

[5:18:52] Kudos to her

[5:19:02] mortgage or

[5:19:07] » I remember when that came across that

[5:19:13] say it's

[5:19:29] That's the morning attention base and

[5:19:33] that when we kind of finalized that

[5:19:36] lawsuit

[5:19:37] took their money and hired our own

[5:19:41] persons

[5:19:43] with their money.

[5:19:45] We paid him half and he's done.

[5:19:53] And it's their money.

[5:20:12] » Any other things?

[5:20:16] » Thank you everybody and thank you. I

[5:20:19] know this is exhausting and I really

[5:20:21] appreciate you taking all these hours

[5:20:23] like almost six.

[5:20:24] >> I think we can do another six hours.

[5:20:29] » I'm glad we wanted to move it up two

[5:20:31] hours.

[5:20:32] >> Yes.

[5:20:34] >> That was great.

[5:20:35] >> We went past 7:30. You lucked out

[5:20:38] >> a hot dog. Larry

[5:20:41] was

[5:20:45] » Yeah. They did a service project for the

[5:20:48] city. They gathered up garbage along the

[5:20:50] roads.

[5:20:51] >> We need to address.

[5:20:53] >> Uh yeah, probably.

[5:20:55] >> So would you say they gathered up

[5:20:57] garbage?

[5:20:57] >> Garbage. So they came and got orange

[5:20:59] bags from the city and they assigned

[5:21:01] roads,

[5:21:03] specific roads, and then they went out

[5:21:04] and gathered up garbage.

[5:21:06] >> And who is it?

[5:21:06] >> It's our ward.

[5:21:11] » Yeah. You gathered up garbage, please.

[5:21:15] an official

[5:21:17] >> um work meetings. We don't This is an

[5:21:19] official. So

[5:21:22] it Can I get a motion to adjourn?

[5:21:24] >> I move that we soon.

[5:21:27] >> Is there a second? Was that

[5:21:28] >> second?

[5:21:29] >> Okay. We had a motion by council member

[5:21:31] Craig, second by council member Hancock.

[5:21:33] All in favor?

[5:21:34] >> I

April 30, 2026 - City Council Budget Meeting

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