[0:08] first around here's a CS family quest always rusty one two loaders

[0:17] Salty's one for the second 25 piece 20 foot an ar-15 e-book spent spent over us

[0:26] I'll certainly back and we've had some people here that can answer any further

[0:32] questions but just to start as this is it was fairly miss 48 years of my street

[0:38] a little of down the road from majestic mister case and it was recently rezone

[0:48] from agricultural to our one and it was reason because in our a agricultural

[0:55] district the mineral of sizes five acres so this is under five acres so that's

[1:00] part of the reason for the rezone the purpose of this CSM is for a

[1:05] single-family home on a lot one with the intent that the remainder of it at some

[1:10] time in the future may be a subdivision of single-family homes the Allergan

[1:17] economy has reviewed us with the you know for the access to the crust street

[1:21] because it's a county highway and they are okay with it so I guess that's it

[1:26] and we have some representatives here carrying questions

[1:33] they are the future homeowners that we'll be building on the property I

[1:37] guess is the question who is going above 110 rejection appears appropriate for

[1:50] this attentiveness the area to the west of that has been

[1:57] Riesling our village our comprehensive plan this areas identified as future

[2:10] residential and the current part of the property owners of lot to also own

[2:16] property across the streets in the West all property owners within 300 feet of

[2:20] and sense this for their opportunity to be thorough account and comment I have

[2:26] not seen any any comments through email or otherwise on this parcel so everybody

[2:33] was here so standing up I think so if there's anybody that subjects to this

[2:41] CSM you just mentioned that the current corners of what tool or not to right now

[2:50] is you know which watch through that time very old

[2:58] yells now this is the other CSF okay we have so there is the remaining 35 acres

[3:04] is still on by folks holding the books home homestead moment and and then once

[3:15] it's a good week we will have two near future cluster I'll second it

[3:31] recommending to the recommending approval to the board sorry and it is on

[3:37] this Thursday's village for agenda for final approval via filming plus all of

[3:55] us number three cos Delta by the zero two seven one five as well

[4:03] honking part of a Salty's clever both these quarter section twenty five pieces

[4:10] have are 15 feet the new estate lol speed and I'm not sure if this is still

[4:18] alive I know this is my plan is requested to remove this from the agenda

[4:23] for today the homeowners association is still reviewing them out there's I don't

[4:29] know all the details of it and I do have I did receive a comment from this one

[4:36] today since you know until today that this was being

[4:40] withdrawn so I I will have this for you if you would like it so you know for the

[5:12] taskforce that started their project in 2016 June of 2016 I believe usually it

[5:20] was and we had several published informational meetings to gather input

[5:24] standards we have some visioning sessions and so forth you decided up

[5:32] we planning excuse me young Historical Preservation Committee and this

[5:39] admission and both of those Commission committee's recommended a fool civility

[5:43] horn it went to the village board for caring in November and we did have some

[5:48] input from the polling again so they asked me to bring it back to this

[5:51] committee commission to review for any of the comments so in this current state

[6:00] that you have in front of you and has not changed from when you originally

[6:03] approved it or recommended approval and I just gotta find my paper here where

[6:10] the comments that are that we received on it than the earth wanted this

[6:15] emission committee to review and these people take action to make changes or

[6:20] not you choose was when was the order of the multi-tenant commercial property on

[6:31] the south side that currently houses the Trinity driving school melon company it

[6:37] was magnolias and then the real estate company their comment was that the

[6:42] requirement that signage and only 5% to only one on the street facing causes our

[6:48] a difficulty for a multi-tenant building so they are asking that we allow make a

[6:54] an allowance for multi-tenant buildings have more than one site Street facing so

[7:00] that each of their tenants could have signage so that was that requests and

[7:05] then you to the tenants would be alone whatever in a square yes and that's

[7:14] that's what he was repent that's what that part of the order had requested my

[7:18] personal

[7:24] I was a very firm page high one side University punished

[7:36] this only limits number of signs of structure and not number of parties and

[7:41] canapes I think I about to be actually email from him on my printer but it's

[7:51] actually the owner of the multi multi tenants property was asking is that we

[7:57] make a an exception to multi tenant properties and that is the only one that

[8:05] we have in the downtown that's multi-tenancy actually if you give me a

[8:13] minute I think I might have last night on the printer because I did print on

[8:17] these email directly

[8:22] four plates there because every woman the other comment was from the regarding

[8:32] the allowance of permitted uses yes so use our car dealerships are not

[8:38] identifying the police's worse was that it's the space and

[8:44] everything that at that psi is 1/4 especially one of the size of ours

[8:49] however the current dealership would be grandfathered in and the way grandfather

[8:56] it works is that it would be allowable in perpetuity like so at least fifty

[9:01] percent of it gets wiped out then that it would not be allowed and the other

[9:07] one would be if ceased being a dealership for a period of 12 months or

[9:13] more and then it could not in American leadership if it was tomatoes or

[9:17] something else but once then it would not be able to go back to that if that's

[9:30] the current language the person that are the president that had had questioned it

[9:37] said that he is concerned that people frequently assess that his his property

[9:44] being removed to the district we have not established the district boundaries

[9:47] yet we've proposed some possibilities which would include this but this

[9:53] property because the location and features of it but it's that's still

[9:58] another process we would still need to adopt the code with the language and

[10:02] then we would also need to resolve the properties into the new districts

[10:10] short-answer release we would have to announce right to

[10:15] exclude gays we would need to not include it in the in the district we

[10:21] have an established a disagreement right now this is strictly establishing the

[10:25] core the regulations associated with the districts that is not geographic and

[10:30] then creating a tool to review with you to do anything on this bike you get to

[10:35] deduct to the board we need to adopt it establishing the new district and then

[10:40] we would need to into the I'm not sure what you mean me where you study what he

[11:05] was offering he didn't want to be included in the desert you're saying the

[11:09] quality ability to do that mean I'm saying Jim

[11:12] generally for is listen such a request so forth may very well

[11:23] decide we're isn't it a decision come on yeah keep in mind what you're asking me

[11:30] illegally can push come to shove can we do it we can't use whether or not you do

[11:35] it against this objection but though we think because I guess the staffs answer

[11:39] to that would be your grandfather and for as long as you continue to have the

[11:43] current use it's the only way to stop I've used it for that purpose that then

[11:48] it will become part of that right but even if we would rezone it 3-minute week

[11:54] week we developed a district without a minute and he went away

[11:58] we couldn't as a ward and develop that probably into the district they would

[12:06] require it another separate yeah and that attention so that would be the

[12:10] reason to do it if you thought we really want that property in there and so that

[12:14] when he does believe that it makes sense to be a part of the district that would

[12:18] be a jury that would be reasonably could have known just have brought the friends

[12:22] at close oh yeah yeah yeah right right hey I mean I guess my might be just for

[12:29] a staff perspective and planning background is I would one recommend

[12:33] approval all the language as it is regarding the the car dealership because

[12:38] I don't think we want any car key in the current downtown forget it excluding

[12:43] what we're talking about now the specific one we don't want another one

[12:46] there no you know we don't want that

[12:50] right so I would recommend keeping the language as it is becoming bats and from

[12:56] a planning perspective you know completely objective on that on that

[13:00] part as they certainly have a community planner I would say that you get into

[13:05] disrupt because it is right there doctor and just with the knowledge that if he

[13:10] goes away that's beauty's grandfather

[13:15] doesn't want to be in season so he doesn't want to because that couldn't be

[13:19] is that gonna be debt right or knowledge they know I think that requires further

[13:22] discussion at that point all right who else would proceed whether he got notice

[13:27] that this was happening he didn't know what it was yeah exactly he that was his

[13:33] concern so that's really kind of a hurry we can come to later yeah but well dad

[13:38] said to him that works we would unequivocally excluded from the district

[13:43] I I wouldn't say that at this point I think it's too early I think it if you

[13:46] understood then shorten that going to affect them I don't know why you have a

[13:50] problem if you understood the term

[13:54] and I did sit down with them after the meeting I went and visited their and

[13:57] explained the grandfathering and they answered his questions and he does some

[14:02] I want to be imaged opens not correct but it's like Bob said I mean I think

[14:06] that's something that as we move into the next step of this we need to first

[14:09] establish the district then we need to start adding properties and then the

[14:14] other part is in regarding the site so here's what what the Patrick McNichols

[14:23] requested that if the regulation could be amended to offer the ability for a

[14:27] multi business building to utilize 15% of a total street frontage area for the

[14:33] total area of all signs and allow for one sign for each business in the

[14:38] building he feels that would remove the conflict so I would say you know I think

[14:44] this 15% is reasonable I would say and allow one per per build-out sign for

[14:53] tenant because then that could exceed the 15% I would say 15% you know and

[15:00] however that be partitioned off I mean at 1:07 15% then you don't want for more

[15:05] weather all in rating language to limit the total to 15 percent right it's up to

[15:09] them how they doing does that come in on time

[15:19] at the size eh I just have like one sign per pendant right right then I hope a g8

[15:27] this is that if applicable the Boltzmann great I would say you know up to or 15%

[15:33] for multi tenants in that part otherwise five percent right so 15 percent for

[15:42] multi tenant buildings and then under on page 5 under

[15:52] the very first part which says one site or Street frontage I would say maybe

[15:58] four four multi-tenant buildings one per tenants up to a maximum of fifteen

[16:05] percent of the area I mean if that's something that you guys still feel we

[16:14] should accommodate personally I think it's a legitimate question that seems to

[16:19] be you guys yeah so like multi tenants maximum of one per tenant up to 15% of

[16:31] the percent yeah for a total of fifteen percent of the most couple additional

[16:50] everything else as we treat this before yes and the only other comments made at

[16:56] the public hearing was a little baffling because it was about not being notified

[17:01] and remember that conversation and just to give us this group because as far as

[17:11] not being notified it was in I counted three newsletters that are directed mail

[17:16] to all people within the village it was in a total twice in the press star once

[17:23] in the and paper we actually had myself at one

[17:28] time one door-to-door downtown we had officers handing out flyers we had it on

[17:34] Facebook we had it in our village notices a penguin

[17:38] we went literally over moon yeah we're actually complimented by East Central

[17:42] for the amount of outreach we tried to do but they didn't have any comments for

[17:55] every during the center the saltiness to it because of it was just so what I

[18:04] guess what I would ask for as a motion to recommend approval to the village

[18:11] board with that change regarding the signage and we do not have to have a

[18:17] public hearing again correct so recommend to live with those changes

[18:22] okay this with those changes page five the one sign pretended for a

[18:32] multi-tenant up to 15% well wall area and it was 15% for month

[18:43] a 10 number five institutional zoning district hey this one is sound it's been

[19:02] a while since we've met and if you recall if there was some case law events

[19:08] basically done in our sign orbits because those signs can be based are

[19:14] regulated based on community so if we regulate them in a manner that requires

[19:19] you to read them than this that allowed so what this did is among other things

[19:25] for customs issues is that our schools and churches are in the single-family

[19:32] residential zoning district in the past we regulated like signs and we made

[19:37] special exceptions for churches and schools in that district but now we

[19:41] can't do that because how you know it's church our school unless you read the

[19:45] sign so the way to remedy that issue because otherwise we have to have the

[19:51] same zoning or same regulations for all uses in that this

[19:55] as far as the science so our waiter anyone many that is

[20:00] a separate district which is called institutional here sometimes on campus

[20:05] that sound different regulations campuses in churches residential and and

[20:15] this is really good regardless of the site issues and

[20:20] because schools have changed a lot from back when the zoning code was created

[20:24] and actually if you look at our school on campus the whole areas of violation

[20:30] right now because they're single-family residential school districts only allows

[20:33] one accessory detached building well we have a parcel with your students on it

[20:38] so each of the remaining two schools are in violation technically so what a lot

[20:45] of communities are doing is creating this separate zoning district so that's

[20:49] what I proposed that portable does I don't know what I'm going to have time

[20:54] to do it right now the things that we have coin on and I know Bob is the same

[20:58] way but I just wanted to first introduce that idea it might be something that we

[21:04] would need to look into getting essentials help again or maybe

[21:07] contracting out because we don't have the staff resources right now to do it

[21:12] and I do think it's it's a high priority because like I said right now everything

[21:17] was really kind of in limbo of SBI I did as part of the actually are

[21:24] actually the various requests by the school for its scoreboard Steve Gomez

[21:29] from blue Design Group was at that meeting and I had mentioned that this is

[21:34] what I think we should do moving forward and he said he would like to be a part

[21:38] of that process too so I think he would be able to provide some of the insight

[21:42] so I suggest what we're probably going to need to do is again create a task

[21:45] force to work with these central to work on a new zoning district I don't need

[21:52] any motion or anything I just wanted to bring that up to since we are ready in

[21:57] having the meeting for the other end items so this is something that will

[22:01] we'll be moving forward on I don't know what

[22:08] maybe questions on mobile or the drawing boys

[22:13] this is just update you around I know those of you on the other on the

[22:18] Commission last year know that we went through a long period trying to clean up

[22:22] the press Street property that has been cleaned up although we do need to

[22:26] redress that with some some defense issues at some point so we that one's

[22:33] been cleaned up Bob and I are currently working on the property behind the wire

[22:39] factory on Douglas streets that one's been kind of challenging because it's

[22:44] bank owned and that always puts a new spin on it

[22:48] I currently had a letter out to get some cleanup done on the apartments on

[22:54] Lakeview because there's some abandoned vehicles the parking lot and garbage

[22:59] illegal dumping some who do have a letter out to that property or requiring

[23:04] clean up by March 16th and that date then I'll follow up and do another

[23:10] drive-by to see if it's been cleaned up and then otherwise we had some

[23:15] complaints during to six months since they're more since this group has met

[23:19] one of them was across the street from the toy factories on spruce and that

[23:25] since been cleaned up so on and in periodic ones here and there abandoned

[23:30] furniture and so forth so I I kind of think because we've been trying to stay

[23:35] on top of them and we are being more more active on it I think it seems to be

[23:41] like it's kind of messing up that's gonna see it yeah I mean it's

[23:47] get a little better so we're still working on it we plug out our way on

[23:51] those zoning violations when they're aware of them and keep working at it

[23:58] thank you next we have next meeting date

[24:05] yeah I'll just I'll be in touch when I when I suspect that the CSM will come

[24:10] back again the other one that was on Grandview that was on the schedule

[24:15] around each other saying okay I don't really foresee any there's nothing else

[24:23] that I absolutely know there that I know it's coming forward as a potential

[24:26] request not at this point but as I get a new zoning rezone requests or anything

[24:32] else that requires actually I kind of not gotten a group together unless I

[24:36] have something specific that needs action and then I bring the others live

[24:39] in so I'm doing that when are we looking at the second

[24:43] Tuesday yeah I lost track of which one we're talking about the first news feed

[24:48] and then we kept traditionally we're going to substitute a couple of people

[24:52] who had problems so we switched it but I don't know is that's still the case with

[24:55] a group or not well Roger told me today I saw in the hallway that he said that

[25:00] until the church has done its every Tuesday for him that he has meetings so

[25:04] it's just Tuesdays until the church project is done to avoid to eventually

[25:09] refuse Oh mark is not part of the committee he was wondering why he his

[25:13] wife told him that there was an economic development meeting tonight

[25:15] oh I told them no they're blowing something like next week I was like okay

[25:21] yeah we're working on an app now and we don't have a schedule yet we've got a 10

[25:26] mm okay well how about the rest of you this long as I has a notice for me it's

[25:34] appropriate yeah my only conflict is the fact that I'm still the that was golf

[25:39] coach at the high school and we I just looking at my schedule when we are

[25:43] peppered with Tuesday's we've got all kinds of them in there and being in the

[25:47] FBA now I could me and find the lack for example it's like I'll never make it

[25:51] back and also one tell me in June does that

[25:54] yeah yeah let's yeah wants to stay tournament not I've been both with the

[25:59] boys baseball to personal and we won stage is that was a Tuesday and Thursday

[26:04] so and then the minutes you know God forbid to get ran down or something like

[26:09] that Monday and then nobody schedule it for Tuesday exactly I mean after

[26:12] Tuesday's open or private only we did this time was just we have the the CSM

[26:19] said we have the request to get it on and as soon as we could and so on you

[26:24] just kind of pulled everybody I mean we could just do that if it's something

[26:27] that the only Kelly said well it's a crapshoot really it's not about

[26:32] Tuesday's aren't but I mean we could just you know take a look you know if

[26:36] there's a certain week or to be frame where we like to have a meeting and just

[26:40] see what you can get just pull buddy in the foreground a step

[26:51] oh and I'm sorry that the last thing this was in your packets is that there's

[26:56] some pen

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