[0:03] the meeting to order. If everyone will

[0:04] stand for the pledge of

[0:05] >> allegiance

[0:12] to the flag of the United States of

[0:14] America and to the republic for which it

[0:18] stands, one nation under God,

[0:21] indivisible, with liberty and justice

[0:24] for all.

[0:26] >> You'll remain standing for a moment of

[0:28] silence.

[0:43] You may be seated.

[1:01] I guess uh for upcoming events, Battle

[1:03] It Out will be in between meetings. Uh

[1:07] Battle It Out is August the 21st, uh

[1:10] Chestnut Square Park, 6 to9. Grown-ups,

[1:14] your moment has arrived. Step into the

[1:16] spotlight. Revive your childhood fun and

[1:19] go ahead

[1:21] in a thrilling battle royale

[1:24] style challenges.

[1:26] earn points and claim the grand prize.

[1:29] Now, since I've never been, I have no

[1:31] clue what that's all about. So, uh

[1:33] Hayden, you want to tell me what what

[1:35] that's about or

[1:36] >> Yeah. So, we'll have essentially

[1:39] life-size games, right? So, think

[1:41] battleship that you grew up on as a kid,

[1:44] but playing it on a full size volleyball

[1:46] court or Nerf battles and things like

[1:50] that. So, if you're competitive and you

[1:52] like to win, we'll see you out there.

[1:54] >> Well, very good. All right. Well, I need

[1:56] to go this year. We How many years have

[1:58] we had that? A couple of years now.

[2:00] >> This probably our third year.

[2:01] >> Third year. Okay. And then uh we will

[2:04] have a meeting before, but I want to go

[2:06] ahead and and talk about it. Is Rock the

[2:08] Trail on September the 12th at Crossing

[2:11] Pass Park. That way give you a little

[2:12] advance notice to uh mark your calendar.

[2:16] If I'm not mistaken, that's a Taylor

[2:18] Swift. Um so I know we have a lot of

[2:21] Swifties in here tonight. So, u if if

[2:24] you're a Swifty, make sure you're you're

[2:27] uh at the I know I know part of my

[2:29] family will be here. So, anyway, but uh

[2:32] anyhow, so I look forward to that. That

[2:33] ought to be a lot of fun. Is that the

[2:35] only one that's being is there? It's a

[2:37] long is is it that because I know it's

[2:39] like four hours, isn't it?

[2:40] >> Yeah, we'll have another band to start

[2:43] it off that's more like nostalgic 2000s

[2:46] music.

[2:46] >> Gotcha. Gotcha. Well, very good. All

[2:49] right. Well, those are welcoming and

[2:51] upcoming events. Let's have uh mayor and

[2:53] council introductions. Uh

[2:56] let's start with did did I did I forget

[2:59] something or no? Okay, good. Because I

[3:01] usually do. Clarence, why don't you

[3:02] start us off?

[3:08] » It's always weird to start when you say

[3:09] Clarence. Start off introducing

[3:11] yourself. But I'm Clarence also Brooks

[3:13] Jr.

[3:15] >> Crystal Bholic.

[3:17] >> Mayor David Conn.

[3:19] >> Melanie Cox, town attorney. Marcus

[3:21] McIntyre,

[3:22] >> Adam McLam, town manager.

[3:25] >> Very good. Okay, that uh we don't have

[3:29] any anybody have any u thing to add any

[3:31] additions or deletions? If not, can I

[3:34] get a motion to pass the agenda?

[3:37] >> Motion to approve the agenda.

[3:38] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[3:42] Very good. We have some presentations

[3:45] tonight. It's uh my pleasure tonight to

[3:48] call my friend and on my friend and

[3:50] neighbor uh who I see uh around the

[3:54] neighborhood. I saw him yesterday or day

[3:56] before yesterday I saw him in the

[3:58] neighborhood is Dr. Steven Smith. Dr.

[4:00] Smith was u here a few uh months ago

[4:04] with was it sweet potato pie?

[4:06] >> Yes,

[4:07] >> it was. You've now written another book.

[4:09] >> I have.

[4:10] >> Doctor, come on up and tell us about it.

[4:16] exciting stuff going on around town. We

[4:18] got Squid Games coming up, but uh books

[4:21] go. That's a good side joke, but okay.

[4:25] Uh last time I was here, I wrote my book

[4:27] Chef Parley and sweet potato pie is

[4:29] about me and my daughter and a five

[4:31] generation year old recipe.

[4:33] >> Dr. Smith, if you would talk, take the

[4:36] talk. Oh, okay.

[4:37] >> Because there's people watching and

[4:38] >> Oh, I forgot. Yeah, the microphone. Hi,

[4:41] people at home.

[4:42] >> There you go.

[4:43] Okay. And so it went really well. It's

[4:46] now on Amazon,

[4:49] Thrifty Books, and even in Walmart. So

[4:51] I'm going to try to get it put in

[4:52] Walmart store. So progress is being

[4:55] made. In between that time, I wrote my

[4:58] second book, which is entitled The Box,

[5:01] and it's about all the things that you

[5:04] can do with a regular old cardboard box.

[5:06] And so I wrote it to remind us that you

[5:09] don't have to have a lot of money, just

[5:12] time spent with your child and an

[5:14] imagination. And it walks through my own

[5:16] true story of me and my daughter playing

[5:18] with things and a cardboard box kind of

[5:21] creations. Has activities at the end and

[5:24] a bunch of fun facts about cardboard to

[5:27] encourage nonscreen fun and family

[5:30] interactions. And so, uh, I've been

[5:33] around some of the bookstores in Union

[5:35] County, including the book lady who's

[5:38] fantastic.

[5:39] And if you want a copy of it,

[5:42] Amazon, um, my author name is Dr. Steo,

[5:47] you can visit my website, which is now

[5:50] up. I did it by myself from the ground

[5:51] up. It took seven months. www.dsteo.com.

[5:57] It has the books for sale. It has free

[6:00] downloadable color and activity pages,

[6:04] music that I created where you can vote

[6:06] for your favorite one, and free games.

[6:08] Nothing's going to be behind a payw wall

[6:10] because I want people to interact and

[6:12] have fun for free. And my website will

[6:14] be a good one for you to use to

[6:16] introduce your child to the internet in

[6:19] a space that you trust because it's

[6:21] secure, lockdown, ADA compatible, and

[6:25] nothing's going to cost you except for

[6:27] buying the book. So

[6:30] over there somewhere is a signup sheet.

[6:33] So if you want to attach to my

[6:35] newsletter, I'll send emails out letting

[6:38] you know if anything on the website

[6:40] updates. I got the best contest in the

[6:43] world in my mind. So I'll remind you

[6:46] when those contests start or if I'm

[6:49] about around town giving away books or

[6:52] at a bookstore doing signings. So, I'm

[6:54] trying to be as open as humanly

[6:56] possible, but this is still the

[6:58] beginning. I hope to turn this into a

[7:00] cartoon that might stream on like

[7:02] Netflix, HBO, something like that one

[7:04] day. Um, and so book two is out there

[7:08] and here it is. I'll pass it around if

[7:10] you want to see it. I don't want to be a

[7:11] distraction to the meeting though

[7:14] because this fun stuff will make you

[7:16] forget why you're here. But does anybody

[7:19] have any questions for me? I'm Steve

[7:21] Smith, Dr. Steve Smith, formerly of the

[7:24] public safety advisory committee and the

[7:27] parks. If your kids play at parks or

[7:29] grandkids, I love it because I was like,

[7:32] I helped to build these. So, it's a

[7:34] reason why I turned down a lot of jobs

[7:36] around the country after I got my

[7:38] doctorate degree. It's because I love

[7:39] living here with my neighbors, you all,

[7:43] safe law enforcement. And so, it's a

[7:45] good environment. And uh I plan to put

[7:47] it in my book and write about that, too.

[7:50] So, any questions? But thank you for

[7:53] having me either way.

[7:55] Signup sheet is here. I'll pass that

[7:59] around.

[8:00] You put your email there and I'll keep

[8:02] it in there. I'm not going to send you

[8:04] spam or crazy stuff. I promise you. Um,

[8:08] and I'll answer any questions that you

[8:10] have. Steve Smith again. Dr.steo.com is

[8:13] the website. Wish me luck.

[8:18] >> Dr. Steel, I got a question for you.

[8:20] How's your last How's sweet potato

[8:21] doing? Sweet potato pie. Is it doing

[8:23] pretty decent?

[8:24] >> It's doing really well. Um, and I

[8:26] haven't even started the formal

[8:27] marketing because I'm still setting up

[8:29] the infrastructure, but I I even have it

[8:32] on sale at um a bookstore in Los

[8:34] Angeles. Actually, when I was out there

[8:37] interviewing for a ding position in San

[8:39] Diego, I went by a store called Maiden

[8:42] Compton, which is a Compton Los Angeles

[8:45] store. or they were revitalizing that

[8:46] area and they sell books by all those

[8:50] founding rappers and entertainers and

[8:52] stuff. And I was like, "Would you sell

[8:53] my book, please?" And he's like, "Yes,

[8:55] bring it on." And he sold, uh, 27 copies

[8:59] of it so far without even trying. And he

[9:02] wants like 50 more later. And so, um,

[9:05] it's growing. It's growing. And I can't

[9:07] wait to see how it'll grow when I

[9:09] actually start marketing the thing. So,

[9:12] the third book is going to be entitled

[9:14] The Airport. And I'm really proud of

[9:16] that one because it will feature

[9:20] situations where you're dealing with

[9:22] parents that travel for work and they

[9:24] miss their kids and things along with

[9:26] what airports look like through the eyes

[9:28] of a kid. So, we can remind ourselves

[9:30] there's joy and happiness to be had

[9:32] everywhere. So, when you're in those

[9:34] miserable or seemingly miserable

[9:36] situations, put on your kid eyeballs and

[9:38] you'll start to have fun again,

[9:39] possibly. So, that one's coming out

[9:41] soon.

[9:43] >> Any more questions?

[9:44] >> That's it. Thank you. I appreciate you

[9:46] coming again. And when you bring your

[9:48] next book,

[9:49] >> make it about food again cuz uh we like

[9:51] the sweet potato pie you brought last

[9:53] time. And uh if if you'll bring if

[9:56] you'll bring food, we we'll eat it. Uh

[9:59] we enjoy it.

[10:00] >> And make it something like banana

[10:02] pudding or something too. You

[10:04] >> put it in order to see how it's going.

[10:06] Okay.

[10:07] >> Very good.

[10:08] >> Meatloaf is number four. me.

[10:10] >> Thank you.

[10:12] >> Thank y'all. Thank you all for coming.

[10:16] » Okay. I don't believe we have anybody

[10:19] signed up tonight for public comments.

[10:22] >> We we have another item. Adam.

[10:25] >> Oh, the CRP.

[10:26] >> I was trying to get through the meeting

[10:28] a little quicker. Marcus. Uh, no.

[10:30] >> I got to keep you honest.

[10:31] >> Sorry, Adam. Uh, financial model, our

[10:34] CIP, Mr. Mclam and Miss Massie. Um

[10:39] apologize.

[10:46] » Thank you.

[10:57] » I feel very close to y'all. I don't know

[10:59] if we moved this up or not, but good

[11:01] evening, mayor and council. Um, we have

[11:04] been going back and forth about this

[11:07] financial model now for probably four or

[11:10] five months. We've been talking about

[11:11] it, telling you what we have, what we're

[11:13] able to do, uh, some different steps and

[11:15] different things. So, tonight, um,

[11:18] finally want to push this out to y'all

[11:20] and let y'all see some of the

[11:21] information that can come out of the

[11:23] model and then so that y'all can ask

[11:25] additional questions as we move forward

[11:27] in the future.

[11:29] Um, so we I've said this before,

[11:31] internally we have a CIP team, a team

[11:33] that meets uh once a month, talks about

[11:36] all of our active CIP projects. Out of

[11:38] that group, we have a smaller group

[11:41] that's been working on this model. And

[11:42] that's Alicia Massie, Alicia Gaddy, and

[11:45] myself been trying to get this ready for

[11:47] y'all to be able to give this to y'all.

[11:49] So, I want to tell them thank you for

[11:50] all the work they've done with and for

[11:52] this tonight. Couple of things that just

[11:55] walk through really quickly what we'll

[11:57] do. um want to give just a very quick

[12:00] review of the CIP so everybody

[12:01] understands what that is we'll talk

[12:03] about the financial model what it is

[12:06] some of the variables and assumptions

[12:08] that are built into it so that you

[12:09] understand how we're getting the

[12:10] outcomes and then we'll review quite a

[12:13] few scenarios and then ask y'all any

[12:16] questions what I handed to y'all is a

[12:18] cheat sheet as you're looking and we're

[12:20] talking about all these rather than all

[12:22] the detail that's there that is very

[12:24] simple straightforward

[12:27] so So, what is a CIP? So, for us, a CIP

[12:29] is a strategic plan. It tells how we're

[12:32] going to get somewhere in the future,

[12:33] right? It has a list of projects. It

[12:35] goes far beyond that. It tries to meet

[12:37] y'all's priorities for how you want to

[12:39] see these projects move forward. Uh we

[12:42] are talking about right now an FY27

[12:45] through FY31 CIP. for the next 5 years.

[12:51] The model or the what y'all have been

[12:53] given so far makes up 24 projects. In

[12:56] that right now, there are 11 funded

[12:58] projects, five partially funded, six

[13:01] unfunded, and three future projects.

[13:05] All right, the financial model we worked

[13:08] with first tryon advisors. They were the

[13:11] ones that built the model and all the

[13:13] background information that's in there.

[13:15] Now we can update the model and have and

[13:17] run different scenarios. So that's how

[13:19] we got to this point. The model can

[13:21] analyze a number of things, but these

[13:23] are just a few that we can put in there.

[13:25] So it'll look at all town funding

[13:27] sources. We can look at different tax

[13:29] rates. We can look at our debt service

[13:32] capital reserve policy. We can look at

[13:36] um growth assumptions, expenditure and

[13:39] the growth rate and how fast things are

[13:41] growing. We we can also look at

[13:44] different models for funding projects

[13:46] which are your PIGO, your debt or your

[13:48] outside funding, whether that be grants

[13:50] or through CRTPO uh with Todd and

[13:54] Council Member Oscel Brooks and the work

[13:56] they do there.

[13:59] All right, talk really quick about some

[14:01] of those variables and assumptions so

[14:03] you know what you're going to see in

[14:04] just a second. So those variables again

[14:06] can be any number of those things. I

[14:08] will not read them again. all those that

[14:10] are over there on the

[14:12] my left I guess it would be your left

[14:14] too left hand side um the assumptions I

[14:17] do want to talk about those so we have

[14:19] some assumptions built into the model

[14:22] always when you're do when you're

[14:23] looking at any kind of budget or

[14:25] forecast we're going to assume

[14:29] uh lower on the growth side and higher

[14:33] on the expenditures and we're going to

[14:34] do that to make sure that we always have

[14:36] enough to fund those things right So we put in growth rates of 3% for our

[14:42] nonrevalu years. So growing at a 3% rate

[14:45] on non-revaluers.

[14:47] Um

[14:49] we have grown more than that the last

[14:51] couple of nonrevalu years, but that's

[14:53] the rate that we we went with and a

[14:56] five-year growth on reval years. We know

[14:58] that we've been much higher than that

[15:00] the last couple of revals. We don't

[15:02] think it'll continue to be that high in

[15:03] the future. So that's we're modeling

[15:06] that at five. Also another assumption is

[15:09] that if if and when we do model debt,

[15:12] we're modeling take taking that first

[15:14] payment for the debt the year after the

[15:17] debt is issued. So if it's issued in

[15:20] FY30, we would take be the first payment

[15:22] would be due in FY31. So there's a year

[15:25] lag and when your first debt payment is

[15:30] right now we have six scenarios that

[15:32] we've run through the model tonight.

[15:34] Yes, you do see on that cheat sheet it

[15:36] is correct. You see one, two, three, and

[15:39] five. You don't see one for zero or

[15:41] four. So zero is just a base, right?

[15:44] That's just flat what the budget has for

[15:47] this year. No projects are in it. Four.

[15:50] Reason why you don't see four is an

[15:52] actual like scenario that you were given

[15:54] is because it is done in model two or

[15:58] scenario two with the addition of one

[16:01] additional project. So that's why when

[16:03] you're running these models, they do

[16:04] take time. So, we we chose a few to run

[16:07] through uh as actual scenarios.

[16:11] All right. Well, any questions that far

[16:14] before we start talking about the actual

[16:16] scenarios themselves? And if I can't

[16:18] answer the question, I'm going to look

[16:19] over my shoulder this direction to help

[16:21] answer the question.

[16:24] We good? Good. All right. I'll keep

[16:26] going.

[16:28] So, scenario one funds all of those

[16:32] projects that you see up there. Those

[16:34] are your existing funded projects. So

[16:37] that's all of the funded projects are

[16:39] funded. It does show when you model it

[16:42] out in the future that the debt service

[16:45] cap reserve policy would need to be

[16:47] reduced to 5 cent and FY29. If you know

[16:51] right now we're at 5 1.5 cent. So we're

[16:53] showing that you would need to reduce

[16:54] that a little bit.

[16:58] So this is one of the output screens

[17:00] that we get out of the model. Um, I'll

[17:02] walk through on this one with a little

[17:04] bit more detail and not on the other

[17:06] ones. You can see it. Um, so you can see

[17:11] in FY24, FY25, the tax rate was 18.5

[17:15] cents. In FY26, it went down to 17 and

[17:19] it's 17 from there after, right? We're

[17:21] modeling it at a 17 cent tax rate. Um,

[17:25] now you come over to the debt service

[17:27] capital reserve fund column, which is

[17:29] the next one over. You can see that in

[17:32] FY28

[17:34] we reduce that or sorry FY29 we reduce

[17:38] that to 5 cent. Um and that's to be able

[17:40] to make the model work as it goes out in other columns. You see here we're

[17:46] able to set targets and minimums for

[17:48] general fund. So you can see we set up

[17:51] at the top a target of 50% a minimum of

[17:55] that is y'all's policy is that minimum

[17:57] of 30% for your fund balance. So you can

[18:01] see as it goes down it starts so uh

[18:05] >> nothing is highlighted here at the top.

[18:07] It didn't flag any of these cells

[18:09] because you are above 50%. When you drop

[18:12] below 50% it starts flagging them just

[18:14] to let us know. And as it goes down, you

[18:17] can see the model does go below 30 right

[18:20] here. We wouldn't allow that to happen

[18:22] that far out. What you would do is you

[18:24] would fund a project out of debt service

[18:26] capital reserve rather than let the mo

[18:29] we wouldn't let us dip below your 30%

[18:31] minimum. Um, but it wasn't worth

[18:34] rerunning the model to move a project

[18:36] when you're less than a percent uh that

[18:39] far out because you're talking as far as

[18:42] uh FY38 at that point.

[18:46] Um you can also see we can look at the

[18:49] debt service capital reserve that is

[18:51] what this five or five and a half cent

[18:54] is pulling over here is how much money

[18:56] is getting generated or what or how much

[18:58] surplus you have in that given year and

[19:00] then what the fund balance is. And then

[19:03] you have the last fund that you're

[19:04] seeing here on the screen is the one

[19:06] that uh is has the money for the public

[19:10] works facility and the uh community

[19:13] center in it.

[19:16] All right.

[19:18] >> Sorry, mayor. Can I ask a question?

[19:20] >> Sure.

[19:21] >> Um,

[19:23] sorry. Um,

[19:26] can you talk about 2026 growth rate? Um,

[19:30] we see 3.4125.

[19:32] That's an actual rate. We're in 26 right

[19:35] now. Um,

[19:36] >> we're in 27 now.

[19:38] >> So, well, all right. But the 37.18

[19:42] that's a that's an anomaly and there's

[19:45] an explanation behind it. I know.

[19:47] >> So that was the revalure and that's why

[19:49] it is so much higher. Um and that's why

[19:52] we modeled future revaluers. They're

[19:54] there in the green. We modeled them at

[19:57] 5%.

[19:59] They probably will be higher than 5%.

[20:02] They could be lower. I mean, we I've

[20:04] been with the town long enough that I

[20:06] know the years that we did have a

[20:08] decrease when we did revals.

[20:10] >> Yeah.

[20:11] >> Um, so again, you want to be

[20:12] conservative when we're modeling those.

[20:14] You don't want to take those assumptions

[20:16] that it's much higher than that.

[20:19] >> And then

[20:19] >> so yes, that is an anomaly at 37,

[20:22] >> right? And that's because of the reval,

[20:24] right?

[20:25] >> Yes, sir.

[20:25] >> Okay.

[20:27] Um, second question. You talk about the

[20:30] fund balance and we're looking at 26

[20:33] because we're in 27 now, but we're

[20:36] talking about past. The 10.6 represents

[20:38] the $4 million

[20:41] for the community center that we put

[20:43] aside along with the 6.8 or almost 7

[20:46] million for the public works. That's

[20:47] what those two numbers are, right?

[20:48] >> That is correct.

[20:49] >> All right. Good. That that's it.

[20:52] >> And I'm asking for the benefit of myself

[20:54] and the public. Very good. Thank you,

[20:56] Marcus.

[20:56] >> Yep.

[20:58] >> So, with each scenario, we also get a

[21:00] bunch of graphs that get uh put out, and

[21:02] these allow us to look at some people,

[21:05] myself, I'm more of a visual person than

[21:07] a t tabular person, but you have both to

[21:11] be able to look at this. So, you can see

[21:13] this gives the exact same information,

[21:15] but uh it makes it a little bit clearer

[21:16] to see at times. So, if you look at um

[21:22] if you go back to this one and you see

[21:26] in

[21:27] FY27,

[21:29] if all of the projects get built out and

[21:31] get, you know, expenditures happen the

[21:33] way that we think that they will, the

[21:35] 5.5 cent that is going in will not be

[21:39] quite enough to pay for all of those

[21:42] projects into the debt service capital

[21:44] reserve fund. So you would have to go

[21:46] into the the fund balance of that fund.

[21:50] Is it okay to say it that way? Okay. The

[21:52] fund balance of that fund to pay the

[21:55] 730.

[21:57] Right? So you can actually see that

[21:59] graphically here. Right? You see it dip.

[22:02] It doesn't mean that there's no money in

[22:04] that fund. It just means we're spending

[22:06] more than the five a half cent. We're

[22:08] going into we're spending some of that

[22:11] savings account of that fund.

[22:12] >> But that would be a one-time event

[22:14] though. Correct.

[22:15] >> Because

[22:15] >> it's one time.

[22:16] >> Yeah.

[22:17] >> And then the following year there's

[22:19] enough money and there is again

[22:20] >> and if it's a onetime event, what would

[22:22] we be able to build with that?

[22:24] >> I'm sorry.

[22:25] >> If it's a one-time event, what would be

[22:27] how what what dollar amount would we be

[22:30] able to spend?

[22:33] if it's a onetime event.

[22:35] >> So, you're saying that if we let's say

[22:37] we have $5 million in that fund and

[22:41] does that mean that we would spend 5.7

[22:44] million cuz

[22:46] >> So, you'd still have

[22:48] >> we wouldn't have anything. We would have

[22:50] spent the 5.7, right?

[22:52] >> So, in that fund right now there's

[22:55] roughly

[22:58] $10 million 9.8 eight. We're going to

[23:01] spend

[23:04] >> if we spend if we spend 10.2 or 10,

[23:08] >> but we wouldn't do that. We wouldn't let

[23:09] it go into the negative.

[23:10] >> Yeah, I I got you. Go ahead. Sorry.

[23:17] » Go ahead.

[23:20] » Okay.

[23:21] >> I apologize. I'm just asking questions

[23:23] as we go. So what we would do is uh like

[23:26] if what is the 5.5 equivalent to this

[23:30] year?

[23:32] Uh but dollar-wise is it $5 million?

[23:36] Okay. So the five and a half

[23:39] cent this year is right around $5

[23:42] million.

[23:43] >> Yeah. This year, if we all the projects

[23:46] get completed that are planned to get

[23:48] completed, money to be spent, we're

[23:50] looking at 5.7

[23:53] to be spent, but there's 9.8 available

[23:57] overall. So, we would spend the 5

[24:00] million. We would go into the savings

[24:01] account and we would grab the 700 and we

[24:04] would put it in with the other one to

[24:06] pay for the onetime expense. This year,

[24:09] still having

[24:11] I can't do the math in my head. Uh 6 7 8

[24:14] 9 I know

[24:15] >> almost $4 million sitting in the savings

[24:17] account,

[24:19] >> right? Yeah.

[24:21] >> Um no

[24:22] >> no because then we would add

[24:24] >> No, we the 9 million the 9 million we're

[24:27] only going to pull what the excess that

[24:29] we need which is the 700. We'd still

[24:31] have the 9 plus million.

[24:32] >> You'll still have 9 million. Yeah,

[24:33] >> I got you. I follow you. You're right.

[24:35] I'm wrong. I follow you.

[24:39] Yeah.

[24:40] >> Yes,

[24:40] >> I got you. Okay.

[24:43] We tracking.

[24:45] >> All right. So, you can see we also put

[24:47] the graph up here where you can see

[24:48] tracking that um minimum line. So,

[24:52] council's policy is that minimum line,

[24:55] that red line you see at the top. Um the

[24:58] last graph, and all of them look the

[25:00] same on all of these future ones,

[25:02] showing our debt instruments and when

[25:03] debt is dropping off. So it makes more

[25:05] sense when we look at future ones

[25:07] because some of the other models have us

[25:08] taking potentially if council chose to

[25:11] taking future debt. So that's why we're

[25:13] showing you a debt instrument column so

[25:16] you can see when those drop off.

[25:17] >> Clarifying question what you just said

[25:19] there is that as we go forward for

[25:20] instance we have an installment loan for

[25:22] this building. You're take the model

[25:24] takes into consideration when that debt

[25:26] is paid off and therefore those funds

[25:28] become available for use. That is

[25:30] correct. So, as we're modeling through

[25:32] our existing debt service as as it's

[25:36] coming off and we're modeling this off

[25:37] into the future, that is giving us the

[25:40] ability to know how much we're going to

[25:41] have available if we so choose to do X

[25:44] project or Y project.

[25:45] >> That is correct.

[25:46] >> Good.

[25:48] >> Any questions about scenario one or

[25:50] about the data you're actually seeing

[25:52] because the other ones mirror this. So,

[25:56] >> good. So, this is just a one year it's

[25:58] just a a one-year deficit is what you

[26:02] about. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next

[26:03] year we're going to be back back up

[26:05] which really shouldn't going to affect

[26:07] much of anything.

[26:08] >> It's not even a deficit. It's only just

[26:10] pulling money out of your savings.

[26:12] >> Well, that's true.

[26:13] >> It's not a deficit. You're right.

[26:15] There's Yeah.

[26:15] >> Yep.

[26:17] >> All right. So, scenario two

[26:20] funds all of the projects you see listed

[26:22] here. So that's funding projects off of

[26:25] that CIP that are in the funded category

[26:29] and the partially funded category

[26:32] minus the community center. It does not

[26:35] model funding the community center. So

[26:38] it it is that scenario that um council

[26:42] member McIntyre you asked about at the

[26:44] last meeting. You wanted to see a

[26:46] scenario that funded Indian Trail Road

[26:49] and funded the public works facility. So

[26:51] that's what we did here is we just

[26:53] pulled the community center out um to be

[26:56] able to show that model. So that's what

[26:58] this is showing.

[26:58] >> And what is just for the public's uh

[27:02] memory, what is the estimated cost of

[27:05] the public works and the road? 8 million

[27:08] and 21 million respectively.

[27:11] >> Uh Todd

[27:14] phase two 8 million 7 million

[27:17] >> Indian Trail Road phase two or about 8

[27:21] million.

[27:21] >> Okay. About 8 million

[27:22] >> and then 21 million

[27:24] >> and 21 million is public works. Now you

[27:27] see here that's phase one of the public

[27:30] works facility. Remember council asked

[27:32] we had a master plan and council said go

[27:34] back and get us a phase one. So that's

[27:36] what we did and this is the phase one.

[27:39] Um but we have

[27:41] 7 million in the bank.

[27:44] >> Yeah. So, you would need an installment

[27:47] financing, some kind of other way to

[27:50] fund the additional 14 million. So,

[27:53] that's what you'll see when we show you

[27:54] this model is we modeled it as a $14

[27:58] million installment debt financing. Same

[28:01] thing this building was at. Um, not 14

[28:04] million, but same type of debt

[28:06] instrument. Uh, right now we're seeing

[28:08] rates in the 5% for 20 years.

[28:13] So, mayor, you mind? Mayor, I apologize

[28:15] for asking so many questions. I'm sorry.

[28:17] I just want to make sure I understand

[28:18] that. So, you don't mind if I ask the

[28:20] questions, right?

[28:21] >> I do not. I don't mind. I don't mind.

[28:23] >> I I appreciate that, sir. So, we have 21

[28:27] million in terms of the estimated cost

[28:29] of the public works as we've rendered,

[28:31] but we have 7 million available.

[28:32] Therefore, we need 14 for the Indian

[28:35] Trail Road. We have 8 million cost

[28:37] estimate, right? in today's dollars,

[28:39] right? That's I think it's 8 million,

[28:41] but we have about $800,000 close. Let's

[28:44] just say a million dollars um that we

[28:46] probably have in there as partially

[28:48] funded. That means that we only need

[28:50] seven. So 14 plus that seven give us we

[28:53] would need to go to market or to get

[28:55] debt of 21 million for those two

[28:57] projects.

[28:58] >> So the way the model is run, we actually

[28:59] don't need to go to market for Indian

[29:01] Railroad.

[29:02] >> Okay.

[29:02] >> We only need to go for the public works

[29:04] facility.

[29:04] >> We only need 14.

[29:06] >> Correct.

[29:07] So good story. Then

[29:10] >> uh we do show with this model you'll see

[29:13] reducing the debt service capital

[29:15] reserve policy in FY29

[29:18] to 4 1.5 cent from the 5 and a half that

[29:21] it is today. The story gets better um

[29:25] with this model because you can actually

[29:28] take on the debt instrument of 40 $14

[29:31] million with no tax increase.

[29:35] So, because of council's,

[29:38] you know, what you've done in the past,

[29:41] having the capital uh debt service,

[29:44] capital reserve policy, putting money

[29:46] aside, thinking forward, you're able to

[29:49] take on a debt of $14 million without

[29:53] having to have a tax increase to be able

[29:55] to fund that.

[29:56] >> All right, important question. We have

[29:58] AAA rating from both S&P and and

[30:01] Moody's, right? So that means that if we

[30:03] go to market, we should get a good rate.

[30:04] Right now you're talking about 5%. Would

[30:07] it benefit the town or and its residents

[30:10] to issue a bond? Would we get a better

[30:13] rate interest rate in terms of the

[30:15] coupon rate we pay um on issuing a bond?

[30:18] We'd have to get approval and so on.

[30:20] It's a more lengthy process than going

[30:22] and um going to a financial institution

[30:24] and getting that debt or do we want to

[30:27] stay at the 5%. Because the 5% the 5%

[30:31] rate in today is still assuming a

[30:35] 20-year payback period, right?

[30:38] >> And a bond is also a 20 year that's a

[30:40] max we can go to. It's a 20-year period.

[30:42] What would be and I I I'm looking at you

[30:45] Alicia. What would be the your best

[30:48] advice here in terms of how we fund this

[30:53] through either installment or uh issue a

[30:58] bond seeking bond approval.

[31:01] Sorry,

[31:04] those are important discussions that we

[31:06] are having by the way. What is Oh,

[31:11] » so I was actually pulling up an email

[31:13] that we got today from another financial

[31:15] advisor. Um, so bond rates are hovering

[31:18] around 5% as well.

[31:21] >> So I it would be half a dozen in one and

[31:24] half dozen in the other.

[31:25] >> Yeah.

[31:26] >> Okay. Alicia has something another the

[31:29] other

[31:29] >> Alicia.

[31:41] » Yeah.

[31:42] >> Also, if you

[31:45] the way it's modeled,

[31:48] we would hope that rates would we would

[31:50] get because we are AAA, right? You hope

[31:52] that you get a better rate than 5%. But

[31:54] again, we're going to model it on the

[31:56] high end. We're going to model it at the

[31:58] what we think is the worst case scenario

[32:00] because we want to make sure that we're

[32:02] not giving y'all information that's as

[32:04] incorrect as we can we can possibly hope

[32:07] for. Again, I won't go through

[32:09] everything. I'll point this out very

[32:11] quickly this time. Uh you can see in

[32:14] FY29,

[32:16] we're showing that dropping to four and

[32:18] a half cent rather than the five and a

[32:20] half cent. Remember that's that money

[32:21] that is going over to the capital

[32:24] reserve. You do see a few more years in

[32:27] here that we're going to go into the

[32:29] fund balance for the capital reserve to

[32:31] fund some of those projects. Think you

[32:35] we just said we're going to fund Indian

[32:36] Trail Road through not having to go for

[32:39] a debt instrument. Indian Trail Road

[32:40] phase 2. That's how you're doing that,

[32:42] right? You're going to go into what

[32:44] you've been saving. and that's the

[32:45] reason why you've been saving those

[32:46] funds is to put those over to fund that

[32:49] project. Um, you can see we stay well

[32:52] above the target of 30%.

[32:56] We don't go below like 36% in these two.

[33:00] Um, I didn't point it out earlier, but

[33:03] the value of a penny, you can see there

[33:05] in column 13. Um, you can see it's it's

[33:09] approaching a million dollars uh for for

[33:12] one penny. Again,

[33:16] you can see this graphically. Uh the

[33:18] orange, the one that I'll point out is

[33:20] the debt um looking at the debt graph at

[33:24] the bottom there. That is the one that

[33:26] starts to show that we are taking on

[33:27] that debt instrument for the public

[33:29] works facility. Uh again you can see we

[33:32] on purpose we pulled that debt in

[33:36] FY28

[33:38] is when we modeled it for the first

[33:40] payment to be in FY29.

[33:48] Since this is the first one that has

[33:50] debt in it I'll stop for a second and

[33:53] any other questions

[33:57] >> I have a simple question. When we borrow

[33:59] from the fund balance, how long how much

[34:01] time do we have before we have to

[34:02] replace that money?

[34:06] » Yeah, I was going to say none, but

[34:08] >> we're we're not borrowing from it. It's

[34:11] that's what we put that money aside for.

[34:13] So, it's it's a um an eligible use for

[34:15] us to use fund balance whenever we're

[34:17] doing capital projects. That's money

[34:19] that we've put aside. So, it's our

[34:21] money. We're just shifting it to the

[34:23] capital project so we don't have to pay

[34:25] it back. It's not a borrowing.

[34:27] >> Yeah. And then other question would be

[34:31] seeing that we are in the process of

[34:34] getting Indian Trail Road phase one out

[34:37] to bid. If we so choose to

[34:41] include

[34:42] uh phase two both legs

[34:47] because we have the equipment out there.

[34:49] Maybe it's going to be one particular

[34:51] and that's kind of Todd. I'm looking at

[34:53] you.

[34:53] >> I was going to

[34:54] >> I'm kind of looking at you Todd Huninger

[34:56] over through the mic there. That's where my head is focused. Um,

[35:00] could we possibly kind of get some

[35:03] savings there? Because you you kind of

[35:05] get what I'm asking, right?

[35:06] >> Cuz as we're going to do that in terms

[35:08] of one, the disruption to the residents

[35:11] would be once, not then and then after,

[35:15] >> but also just possibly getting some, you

[35:18] know, savings there because it's going

[35:20] to be one continuous strip, right,

[35:23] versus the two sections. Yep.

[35:25] >> So, I I don't know. not something to

[35:27] sort.

[35:27] >> No. So Todd and I have had plenty of

[35:29] conversations and this is his his train

[35:32] and he should be congratulated for

[35:34] driving it forward. Um

[35:37] the plan has kind of been to get phase

[35:41] one done, get phase or get phase one bid

[35:44] out, get it started, and then hopefully

[35:46] right after that phase two would go out.

[35:49] This maybe the same contractor would

[35:50] pick it up and there would be no gap in the two.

[35:54] >> Yeah. We're going to come to y'all at

[35:55] the end of this year.

[36:03] » And I sent y'all today an email with an

[36:05] updated timeline for phase one.

[36:11] » Very good.

[36:12] >> All right.

[36:13] So now we'll look at scenario

[36:15] three. So again, every scenario is

[36:17] building on the one before it, right? So

[36:19] scenario three now is all of the funded

[36:24] and partially funded projects and we've

[36:26] added in the community center.

[36:29] Uh one thing that I did not say before

[36:31] and I'll say now uh one thing that we

[36:33] are able to do in the model as well as

[36:35] you can see there we we are able to

[36:37] model in operating expenses and actually

[36:41] we can model

[36:43] operating and revenue expenses. So when

[36:48] you build a new facility, right, you

[36:49] have new power, you have new water, you

[36:51] have new all those things. We can

[36:52] actually build that into the model. And

[36:54] when you're looking at the community

[36:55] center, you can actually model in the

[36:59] potential revenue that could be

[37:01] generated off of the facility as well.

[37:05] Um, so in this model, because we don't

[37:08] have any outside funding right now, we

[37:10] don't know what that outside funding is.

[37:12] I'll agree with the mayor's sentiment. I

[37:14] hope we can get all 36 million outside

[37:17] funded, but right now we don't have

[37:20] that. We don't we aren't to that point

[37:21] yet. So, we're modeling it at 36 million

[37:25] as a bond debt again at 5% for 20 years.

[37:30] uh we again the debt service capital

[37:32] reserve policy uh would drop and you do

[37:35] see there this is the first model that

[37:37] we are showing you that would require a

[37:40] tax increase potentially in FY31

[37:45] um and that is to cover that those two

[37:47] debts now that you have of the community

[37:50] center and the public works facility so

[37:52] you potentially the model is showing

[37:55] debt of 47

[37:58] 7 million.

[38:01] >> Why 47? Not 14 plus 36.

[38:03] >> Is my math wrong? 14 50 million.

[38:06] >> 50 million.

[38:06] Sorry. So showing 50 million

[38:10] with a 2 cent tax increase.

[38:12] >> And then one question on to piggyback on

[38:14] that. That means that we still build

[38:15] Indian Trail Road from what we have.

[38:18] We're not borrowing for that.

[38:19] >> We are not.

[38:20] >> 14 million

[38:21] >> is for the the public works facility

[38:24] with a total cost of 21.

[38:27] >> Correct. So we have seven in the bank

[38:29] plus 14 in trail road which is 7 million

[38:33] plus the 1 million that's a total of

[38:36] eight.

[38:36] >> Yep.

[38:37] >> And then the 36 million because it cost

[38:40] 40 but we have four saved up.

[38:41] >> Mhm.

[38:42] >> Right. I just want to I'm just repeating

[38:44] those for people to kind of follow

[38:45] along.

[38:46] >> But

[38:46] >> and the next tax reval is in 2030.

[38:49] Right.

[38:50] >> Is in 2030. That is correct. And then

[38:53] this 50 million is the 14 million is

[38:56] over 20 years through just regular

[38:58] instrument. And the bond is over 20

[39:02] years.

[39:02] >> It's modeled the same way.

[39:04] >> Model the same way. So we're in 2026.

[39:08] When do you have this? When do you when

[39:10] did you model it out to kind of

[39:12] >> 201? So we modeled it

[39:15] >> we modeled it one year past the debt

[39:18] instruments dropping off on purpose so

[39:19] that we could show

[39:21] >> how far out that went.

[39:22] >> Okay.

[39:23] >> Um actually it's modeled out

[39:27] 20 I think 60 is what's in the model. I

[39:31] think the model goes all the way to60.

[39:33] We cut it at at one year past

[39:36] >> um when the debt would drop off.

[39:40] One thing that would be a little this is

[39:42] really good information, right? In terms

[39:44] of my assumption, I'll be honest, my

[39:47] assumption was a 5 cents increase to

[39:50] fund the um the the public the community

[39:55] center. So, two cents is better than

[39:57] five. The the the one thing that I'll

[40:00] say when I look at some of these is we

[40:03] had a list of partially we had funded,

[40:06] partially funded, and those that were

[40:08] unfunded.

[40:09] If based on what you have here, and I'm

[40:12] not asking for this now, but if you can, just send an email. Um, what

[40:16] would remain unfunded

[40:18] after we've done this?

[40:19] >> So, you're going to see that in the next

[40:20] one.

[40:21] >> Oh, sorry. You see that you That's why

[40:23] you're the town manager.

[40:25] >> No, that's why I have great uh team

[40:28] members that put this together. I just

[40:30] stand I just stand up here that

[40:32] question.

[40:34] >> Go ahead. Uh so one thing I want to

[40:37] point out modeling at

[40:41] every $10 million of debt with our

[40:44] evaluation at the time at 5% interest

[40:49] over 20 years every $10 million equates

[40:52] to about a million dollar in debt. It's

[40:54] actually very easy numbers. A million

[40:57] dollar equates to a penny. I mean

[40:58] because we're hitting close to that is a

[41:02] penny, right? So you can kind of think

[41:04] of it that way. So what that means is

[41:06] this model again because of how prudent

[41:09] the town has been, the council has been,

[41:11] and doing the things that y'all do

[41:13] financially,

[41:15] you're actually able to absorb a large

[41:18] percentage. you're able to absorb um 14

[41:22] million in debt for the community center

[41:26] and or sorry for the public works

[41:28] facility and

[41:30] tw roughly 20 million give or take 18

[41:33] million of the community center,

[41:37] right? Because you're only needing to

[41:39] take two cent in in a tax increase. So

[41:43] you're able to absorb all that because

[41:44] you only needed that that two cent. All

[41:48] right, I'll go forward. Y'all can see

[41:51] kind of what we see here. Um, we did set

[41:54] a target on this debt service capital

[41:56] reserve. You can kind of see it starts

[41:58] to show up here a little bit. What that

[42:00] is, that target is just a cash flow

[42:02] thing. It's not a problem that these are

[42:04] showing up as red. It's just we're we're

[42:09] making sure that cash flow is okay in

[42:11] those future years.

[42:15] All right. You can see again those debt

[42:17] instruments coming on board, when they

[42:19] come on board, how they model themselves

[42:21] through.

[42:24] All right, scenario five is that last

[42:26] one.

[42:27] Um, what we did for scenario five is all

[42:31] of your fully funded, all of your

[42:33] unfunded, or sorry, fully funded,

[42:36] partially funded, and unfunded

[42:38] with one exception. We pulled the

[42:40] community center back out to just give a

[42:43] little bit of a better idea of what it's

[42:45] going to show for that. We know what the

[42:47] community center adds now, but we pulled

[42:49] it out just so we could see what was

[42:51] here. So, this is the list of all of the

[42:53] projects that would be funded through

[42:55] that.

[42:58] Um, public works is still in there.

[43:01] Again, that debt service capital reserve

[43:03] policy drops down from what it is today.

[43:07] And you could, we actually were able to

[43:08] see two different options depending on

[43:12] how council feels that they want to do

[43:14] things going forward in the future. If

[43:16] you run a payo model, which that means

[43:20] paying cash for the projects, right?

[43:21] You're not going to take on debt, uh, to

[43:24] fund those unfunded projects, which is

[43:26] those three listed underneath there. It

[43:28] shows that you would potentially need a

[43:30] 5 cent tax increase to cover that.

[43:34] If you run it as a transportation bond

[43:37] or a street bond or you know ones that

[43:40] we've done in the past, those same three

[43:43] groupings of projects would show about a

[43:46] penny and a half tax increase to fund

[43:49] that large grouping of sidewalk projects

[43:52] and those two intersection projects.

[43:55] The model that you actually see here is

[43:58] the one with the debt instrument, the

[44:01] transportation bond. Uh because you can

[44:03] see the 18.5 cent tax rate.

[44:10] That was a lot of information to throw

[44:12] at y'all. Um we've digested this for

[44:15] several weeks now or tried to at least.

[44:19] Um,

[44:22] you can see the graph is the same, but

[44:25] now I'll stop. I know y'all have asked

[44:26] questions as we've gone along, but we're

[44:29] here to answer any questions.

[44:32] I I just want everybody to realize that

[44:34] we're looking at scenarios and the

[44:36] definition of what a scenario is because

[44:41] I don't want to hear tomorrow we're

[44:42] raising taxes 5 cents or 3 cents or 2

[44:45] cents or or whatever because that's not what we're saying.

[44:50] A lot of this is um

[44:54] it's a scenario

[44:57] a future possibility. It's a projection

[45:00] into the future. We we

[45:02] >> and it's without any money that you know

[45:07] coming in and I you know for uh for a

[45:10] community center and I would hope that

[45:11] we'd bring in money not promising but I believe that we will you know bring in

[45:18] money for a community center uh like be

[45:22] nice to bring it all in and

[45:24] >> Yes sir. I know we talk a lot about the

[45:26] community center and we we talk a lot

[45:28] about uh what we want to see in the

[45:30] future and um I

[45:33] stopped last um a couple weeks ago I

[45:37] went to the aquatic center in in um

[45:40] Monroe and that's that's a community

[45:42] center um and I was really impressed. Uh

[45:47] they have 16,000

[45:49] uh people that that are that are

[45:52] members. That's a lot. That's a lot. a

[45:54] lot of people. I was very impressed with

[45:56] how nice it was. If you think about it,

[46:00] um we don't have a YMCA in and I don't

[46:02] think we do anywhere around.

[46:04] >> Not in Union County. No.

[46:05] >> As a matter of fact, I talked to

[46:06] somebody today that works there. They

[46:09] draw from South Carolina. If you think

[46:11] about it, they draw from uh 601 going

[46:15] out South Carolina way. They draw uh a

[46:18] lot of Indian Trail people. They draw

[46:20] Monroe people. They draw Marshville

[46:22] people. They they bring it all and they

[46:25] charge and and these are not exact

[46:27] numbers. So don't anybody say

[46:31] I know they they they pay $50 a month to be a part of that. And at $50 a month

[46:38] times 16,000 people is $800,000 a year

[46:41] in in revenue. I'm not saying that's and

[46:44] it probably took years to get that uh a

[46:46] number of years to get it. So, um uh but

[46:49] those are all possibilities of things

[46:51] that you you think of and um um

[46:56] it's a scenario, you know. So, anyway, I

[46:59] just I wanted to

[47:00] >> No, I think that's a good point that

[47:01] again these these aren't council's not

[47:03] approving to do anything tonight.

[47:05] Council's not even if you approve a CIP,

[47:09] you're still not approving

[47:11] any kind of increase or decrease or

[47:14] anything. You're just saying we like the

[47:17] CIP. We feel like this is a good plan,

[47:20] strategic plan to move forward.

[47:22] >> You got to have a plan. That's right.

[47:24] You know, CRTPO, which uh you know, our

[47:28] main delegate down here is is there. And

[47:32] uh you know, Charlotte Regional

[47:34] Transportation Planning Organization

[47:35] plans roads out to what how many years?

[47:39] Uh 30 years. 30 years down the road, you

[47:42] know, and you got to have a plan, you

[47:44] know, and if you don't have a plan,

[47:46] you're So,

[47:47] >> and that's what we feel like we we're

[47:49] for the first time, we're able to give

[47:50] y'all a lot of information to help you

[47:53] make the best decisions you can for

[47:55] those plans, right? We're we're able to

[47:57] give y'all a lot of data that in the

[47:59] past you may have heard us say, "Yeah,

[48:02] we think we can do that. Yeah, that

[48:03] looks good. We think we can." Now, we

[48:06] can really show what we think is

[48:09] actually going to come to could come to

[48:11] life. Um,

[48:15] I was going to say something else and I

[48:16] forget.

[48:18] >> Any other questions for me? Um, tonight

[48:21] I welcome any questions from y'all or

[48:23] from anyone.

[48:24] >> And we can always ask questions. Oh,

[48:26] yeah. Later, too. So, anybody has

[48:29] questions, feel free to ask.

[48:31] >> If there are additional scenarios or

[48:32] something different that you would like

[48:34] to see run a sixth or seventh,

[48:37] >> let us know. We can run those through.

[48:39] Um, again, just a reminder, we are

[48:41] working towards adopting some kind of

[48:44] CIP as we move forward in the future.

[48:47] Um, oh, I remember what I was going to

[48:48] say. Later tonight, Todd's going to come

[48:51] up and see if y'all want to go to CRTPO

[48:55] for outside funding for future projects.

[48:57] We're always going to be looking for

[48:59] those options for things that are there.

[49:01] So,

[49:02] >> very good.

[49:03] >> Thank you all again. I appreciate

[49:05] everybody's help.

[49:06] >> Very good job. Thank you for all your

[49:07] hard work.

[49:09] All right. Now, it bring

[49:10] >> Thank you.

[49:11] >> brings us uh

[49:14] up to public comments. And tonight, we

[49:17] don't have any. So, we're going to move

[49:20] over to law enforcement. And tonight,

[49:22] we're very fortunate to have Lieutenant

[49:24] Norris with us tonight.

[49:26] Lieutenant, come on up.

[49:30] >> Good evening.

[49:32] See, I'm not Captain Mullis.

[49:35] Couple couple feet lower to the ground.

[49:38] Um, I'm Lieutenant Coin Norris,

[49:40] Sheriff's Office. Um, we've had a very, busy month this past July. I'll

[49:45] just go over a couple of things,

[49:46] highlights, a couple things we touched

[49:48] on. Um, first off, thank you, uh,

[49:50] Crystal for the heading off the adoptive

[49:53] cop. Y'all hooked us up. Everybody felt super special. It's a great great

[49:58] deal. Great deal for the office there.

[50:01] Um, the uh, ABC investigation has been

[50:05] rocking right along. They did nine

[50:06] investigations this last month. It's

[50:08] totaled almost six and a half hours

[50:10] worth of worth of work on the uh keeping

[50:12] that in check. Everything looks good.

[50:14] Any trails?

[50:14] >> I saw one was when one was in like

[50:18] wasn't settled

[50:19] >> the very first one. Maybe you can tell

[50:21] me about it later.

[50:21] >> Yeah, they as far as far as the

[50:24] investigation. I think they I think they

[50:25] had two that were verbally warned. It's

[50:29] not a big deal. Everything's under

[50:31] control. Um, as far as the town's

[50:34] concerned, everything stays on track.

[50:35] >> What they were, you can tell me later

[50:36] what maybe the first one was.

[50:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um,

[50:40] as far as traffic enforcement, over a

[50:43] thousand citations or that's including

[50:47] verbal warnings, but thousand

[50:49] enforcement actions taken this last

[50:50] month. Um, very busy on traffic. We

[50:53] always stay busy on traffic Indian

[50:55] trail. 74 is a mad house, so that

[50:57] doesn't slow down for us.

[50:59] um answered over 5,277

[51:02] calls last month. So, averaged out about

[51:05] 170 calls answered per day or responded

[51:08] to. So, very very busy. Um all our

[51:11] violent crimes, breaking interms,

[51:13] aggravated assaults is all remaining

[51:14] very low, well under well under 2% on

[51:17] most of them. So, percent wide. So, very

[51:20] good on the stats. So, y'all have any uh

[51:23] specific questions? guys. I know the

[51:24] guys gals work real hard to

[51:27] >> keep everything safe. So,

[51:30] >> I was going to say something about adopt

[51:31] a cop at the end, but since you brought

[51:32] it up, I want to do just a quick shout

[51:35] out to Betty Prudin and to Katie Das and

[51:38] Bontra, the Bontara Seniors Club because

[51:40] they really took hold of this. I had

[51:42] some health issues last month and they

[51:44] made it possible for y'all as well. But

[51:45] our community, there's so many people

[51:47] even sitting in this room that adopted,

[51:49] you know, an officer. They have no idea

[51:50] what they're getting themselves into.

[51:52] Yeah.

[51:52] >> Um, but I also wanted to thank Captain

[51:54] Mullis and Lieutenant Evans who

[51:56] especially made trips there to pick up

[51:58] different baskets to make sure everyone

[51:59] was taken care of. So, thank y'all all

[52:01] for everything you do. Truly, we do

[52:03] appreciate you and the community loves

[52:04] y'all.

[52:05] >> No problem at all. We appreciate the

[52:06] support. Thank you.

[52:08] >> Very good. Well,

[52:09] >> y'all have a good evening.

[52:10] >> You too. Thank you. And and Crystal, I

[52:12] thank you too because u um you know I'm

[52:16] enjoy being part of it and it's a good feeling. It's a good feeling

[52:21] to to help you guys out or the best we

[52:24] can because of all the things you do.

[52:25] Put your life on the line for us every

[52:27] day. So, uh

[52:30] enjoy enjoy what enjoy those goodies.

[52:34] >> All right. Uh brings us to the consent

[52:37] agenda. Can I get a motion?

[52:41] » Motion to approve the consent agenda.

[52:43] >> All in favor?

[52:45] Unanimous.

[52:47] All right. brings us up to the first our

[52:49] first public hearing. Uh by addressing

[52:52] council, you acknowledge you've read the

[52:54] town's public comment rules and will

[52:56] abide by them. Reszoning petition CZ

[53:00] 202676

[53:03] 6500 Monroe Road. Miss D. There you go.

[53:06] >> Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and

[53:07] Council. Our first public hearing of

[53:10] four tonight is for 6500 Old Monroe

[53:13] Road. This is a conditional resoning.

[53:17] We're looking at a reasonzoning for 1.73

[53:20] acres from SF1 to CZGBD.

[53:24] Um the intent is to develop a bank with

[53:27] uh drive-thru windows and um within this

[53:31] overlay district, this is within the

[53:32] subreional overlay. It does require uh

[53:36] conditional zoning for drive-throughs

[53:38] and your applicants are on the screen

[53:40] there before you with NWF acquisitions

[53:43] and region law.

[53:46] I'm going to share with you this concept

[53:48] plan, but just please promise me that

[53:51] you understand this is actually more of

[53:53] a land use CZ. So, we are we are doing a

[53:58] CZ to allow the drive-thru for the bank.

[54:01] Um, but the applicant was willing to

[54:03] share kind of where they are with their

[54:05] concept plan and and so um thought we

[54:07] would just share this with you, but know

[54:09] that it's not tied to your approval

[54:11] tonight.

[54:16] And here is the uh photo of the property

[54:20] currently zoned SF1

[54:22] and it's uh been an abandoned structure

[54:25] for some time now.

[54:29] Take a look at the surrounding

[54:30] commercial. Um so this is adjacent to

[54:34] the ABC store

[54:36] here fuel centers and then there are two

[54:40] commercial projects. um one here and

[54:42] then Sun Valley Station. If you may may

[54:45] remember, they've picked back up and

[54:46] submitted for site plan review as well.

[54:49] Um and then of course you have your

[54:50] Brandon Oaks residents in the rear.

[54:55] Here's some uh photos of the site. This

[54:57] is looking southeast from Old Monroe

[55:01] Road.

[55:05] You see this is looking northeast with

[55:08] Sun Valley Commons to your left.

[55:14] There's another one a little bit further

[55:16] down. And then this is looking directly

[55:18] into the property. You can see the ABC

[55:20] store and our beautiful zoning sign.

[55:26] So existing conditions out there. Uh you

[55:28] do have a mix um with that SF 4 behind

[55:33] Brandon Oaks and then further down past

[55:35] the ABC store and Sun Valley station

[55:38] plans. uh it goes back into SF1 with

[55:40] kind of undeveloped property. Um but

[55:44] surrounding this specific parcel is all

[55:46] GBD

[55:48] future land use of course because it's

[55:50] in the subregional activity center

[55:52] overlay it does uh call this area out to

[55:55] be mixed use um shopping in an

[55:57] entertainment district. And so this

[55:59] furthers that

[56:03] this request is consistent with the

[56:05] comprehensive plan in the areas of

[56:07] economic development goal number one,

[56:09] land use and housing goal number one,

[56:10] and land use and housing goal number

[56:12] four.

[56:15] Community meetings were held on June

[56:17] 29th. We did have three residents

[56:19] attend. Um the main question was really

[56:22] residential impacts and town mitigation.

[56:25] There were no actual um comments in

[56:28] opposition. I think the Brandon Oaks

[56:30] community kind of blasted out a notice

[56:33] to all residents. So, we did have some

[56:35] residents that once they realized how

[56:37] far it was from their house and that it

[56:38] fronted Old Monroe Road, they they

[56:40] didn't really have too many questions

[56:42] for us. Um planning board um at their

[56:46] July 21st, 2026 meeting did u vote for

[56:50] approval for this request.

[56:53] And here are your recommended conditions

[56:55] for this. The first one you can kind of

[56:57] skip over. That's just a a standard.

[57:00] Hey, they still have to um adhere to all

[57:03] the other regulations, including um NC

[57:06] DO's regulations. The second one um is

[57:10] where we're going to add that use for

[57:13] banqu with drive-through facilities. But

[57:15] also note that um you know, this is

[57:18] going to have to go through construction

[57:20] drawings and site plans and things could

[57:22] change. And so we're leaving those

[57:24] permitted uses by right there as well so

[57:27] that they'll still have those options

[57:28] rather than just locking them into only

[57:30] a bank. Um and then we've got some rear

[57:33] landscape buffers, a budding residential

[57:36] with the most significant being that we

[57:37] want them to connect to that wall um

[57:40] that provides that buffer to the Spanish

[57:42] moss residents.

[57:46] and I'll be glad to answer any questions

[57:47] you may have following public public

[57:50] comment and the requested action is

[57:52] before you. Thank you.

[57:54] >> Okay. So, he wants to ask questions

[57:56] after public com after

[57:58] >> I'll take your questions anytime.

[58:00] >> Okay. Well, I you I have some. So, all

[58:01] right. And I'm anxious to uh you know, I

[58:04] saw the brick wall there. Does that

[58:06] they're going to cut a hole in that

[58:07] wall, right? They gonna have to, right,

[58:08] to to

[58:10] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. um that that portion that

[58:13] is um perpendicular to Old Monroe will

[58:15] come down, but you'll have a wall um

[58:18] that runs parallel with those those

[58:20] residences on

[58:22] >> see that start yesterday. So, we need we

[58:25] need that wall cut down and we need that

[58:27] road back there. And my question to you,

[58:29] >> you want some access,

[58:30] >> huh? Yeah, a little access there. Um,

[58:34] do you, and this might be a silly

[58:37] question, but

[58:40] when do you think they'll put the road

[58:42] in? When, first of all, is when do you

[58:44] think they'll start? Is, is this just

[58:46] something that if it gets approved, it's

[58:48] going to start pretty quickly?

[58:49] >> Well, you've got the parcel adjacent to

[58:51] it that has site plan approval as of

[58:54] October of 2025. So, likely they'll be

[58:57] the first ones um to extend the road.

[59:00] And then this property would would come

[59:02] next and and bring it all the way to the

[59:04] property that you're interested in

[59:06] connecting.

[59:07] >> How long do you I'm just cur because I

[59:08] get asked that question all the time,

[59:10] especially by the ABC store. What What

[59:11] are we talking a year maybe? Or is that

[59:13] was that optimistic?

[59:16] >> Well, there's

[59:18] that's really outside of our control

[59:19] because there's other governmental

[59:20] agencies that aren't quite as efficient.

[59:23] Um so it it takes time. Development

[59:25] takes a long time. Um, but I would say,

[59:29] you know, gosh, the one property got

[59:31] site plan approval in 2025. Like, it

[59:34] wouldn't surprise me if they weren't

[59:35] asking for a pre-construction meeting

[59:36] any time now and start, you know, start

[59:40] building and constructing. Um, this

[59:42] property, I would say at least a year to

[59:44] get through all of the site plan

[59:46] approvals and such.

[59:47] >> Now, here's here's the million-dollar

[59:49] question. Can we go ahead and build a

[59:51] road now? Can how soon can we build that

[59:53] road? um back there.

[59:55] >> Todd says if you give him the money,

[59:56] he'll build it today.

[59:59] >> Is that true, Todd?

[1:00:03] » No. So, the road's going to be funded by

[1:00:05] private development. So, we have to wait

[1:00:07] for the private development.

[1:00:09] >> I just wondered if maybe private

[1:00:10] development would want a little, you

[1:00:11] know, the AB the ABC store might

[1:00:13] contribute help contribute to that if it

[1:00:15] would speed it up. And does that make any sense? We can have

[1:00:18] those conversations, but I think it's

[1:00:20] hard for them to start investing real

[1:00:22] dollars until they have their permits in

[1:00:23] hand.

[1:00:24] >> I got you. I got you. Well, that makes

[1:00:26] sense. And pardon me for being a little

[1:00:29] optimistic and no

[1:00:30] >> excited about that, but okay. Thank you.

[1:00:33] You're welcome. Quick question.

[1:00:35] >> I have another question. Sure. Real

[1:00:36] quick. Um, I wasn't on council when the

[1:00:39] uh Sun Valley Station came through, so I

[1:00:41] know we're talking about the bank now,

[1:00:42] but what's going in the Sun Valley

[1:00:43] Station? Is the bowling alley? And

[1:00:46] >> so they've submitted for site plan

[1:00:47] approval for like a retail strip. Um

[1:00:50] don't know exactly what those tenants

[1:00:52] are. The previous tenants was like an

[1:00:54] entertainment um center that included

[1:00:57] bowling uh a gym and a a pet store. Um

[1:01:01] and then COVID hit and of course those

[1:01:03] industries especially the entertainment

[1:01:05] crashed. Um so it's coming back around

[1:01:07] now but the specific tenants aren't solidified at this time.

[1:01:11] >> Thank you.

[1:01:12] >> You're welcome.

[1:01:12] >> Okay. Well, at this time, uh, I would

[1:01:15] like to, um, open in someone make a

[1:01:18] motion to open and close public, uh,

[1:01:20] comments.

[1:01:20] >> Are you looking to me? I'll make a

[1:01:22] motion to open public comments. Sorry.

[1:01:24] Anybody sign up to speak?

[1:01:25] >> No. Open and close.

[1:01:26] >> I'll make a motion to open and close

[1:01:28] public comments for

[1:01:31] uh, CZ2026-0076500

[1:01:37] Old Monroe Road.

[1:01:39] >> Right. Okay. All in favor?

[1:01:41] >> Can I ask a question? unanimous

[1:01:53] » I wanted to ask some questions.

[1:01:56] >> Well, you you first of all, you would

[1:01:58] have needed to sign up, but you didn't.

[1:01:59] But that's okay. I um I'll give you

[1:02:02] permission uh to come up and Did you

[1:02:04] want to speak in public comments?

[1:02:06] >> Wait, wait, wait, wait one second. If we

[1:02:08] open it and you I'll just close it. We

[1:02:10] can't really

[1:02:11] >> Well, we did. We did we didn't do we

[1:02:13] actually didn't vote on it correctly or

[1:02:15] I mean we just did okay we voted on on

[1:02:18] >> I just want to follow proper procedure

[1:02:19] >> I would just you need to make a motion

[1:02:21] just to open public

[1:02:22] >> yeah let let me let me do that that way

[1:02:24] >> okay let's back up okay did you want to

[1:02:26] come up and speak

[1:02:31] » do do you want to come up and speak

[1:02:34] >> all right before you do before you do

[1:02:36] let me just make the motion All right

[1:02:38] I'll make a motion to open Public

[1:02:41] comments for

[1:02:44] CZ 2026-0076

[1:02:50] 6500 Old Monroe Road. May I explain to

[1:02:53] him the procedure, the time, and so on

[1:02:55] and so forth.

[1:02:56] >> All right. Go ahead. Can I Okay. All in

[1:02:58] favor? Unanimous. Now come up. You can

[1:03:00] speak

[1:03:02] >> if you just say your name and your

[1:03:04] address.

[1:03:04] >> And you have three minutes to speak.

[1:03:06] Okay. There's a little buzzer that'll go

[1:03:08] off.

[1:03:08] >> Okay. Um,

[1:03:10] so, um, I live at 1010 Spanish Moss

[1:03:13] Road. Uh, my name is Chase Anderson.

[1:03:16] This is my first home and first time

[1:03:19] attending these, so uh, forgive me for

[1:03:21] any misunderstanding, but um, I wanted

[1:03:25] to know that if there's going to be a

[1:03:27] wall built behind between my house and

[1:03:30] the bank,

[1:03:32] >> do you know how close that wall will be

[1:03:34] to my house?

[1:03:36] Um, we could we can take a look at it

[1:03:39] and do some measurements for you. Um, I

[1:03:43] do have my card here for you like to

[1:03:45] meet to discuss specifically.

[1:03:47] >> Um, let's look at

[1:03:54] your

[1:03:56] >> Randy. Sorry. The some of the res some

[1:03:58] of the people said that they couldn't

[1:03:59] hear. Yeah.

[1:03:59] >> I'm assuming you're somewhere in here.

[1:04:01] >> Yeah.

[1:04:02] So, they will be um it'll be on

[1:04:06] the wall will be constructed on this

[1:04:09] property. So, there will be some

[1:04:11] distance obviously with your backyard,

[1:04:12] but we can sit down with you and and

[1:04:15] show you the plans and and kind of give

[1:04:16] you some measurements oneonone if you'd

[1:04:18] like.

[1:04:18] >> Okay.

[1:04:20] Um, yeah. My other concern is just like

[1:04:22] how high the wall is to have privacy in

[1:04:24] case the drive-thru like the customers

[1:04:27] are kind of looking into my backyard.

[1:04:30] And um,

[1:04:34] another concern I had is the my backyard

[1:04:37] kind of slopes down low and if there's

[1:04:40] heavy rainfall and there's a wall, I

[1:04:42] don't know if that would cause some kind

[1:04:43] of flooding. So that was why I was

[1:04:44] wondering like how close the um wall

[1:04:48] will be to my house.

[1:04:49] >> Gotcha. So if you'll take a look at the

[1:04:51] site plan, you can kind of see that

[1:04:53] there's some some distance here between

[1:04:56] the bank operations and your property.

[1:04:59] There's going to be like a natural

[1:05:01] buffer area, but then you'll have the

[1:05:02] wall. Um the wall will match and be the

[1:05:05] same height, same materials and

[1:05:07] everything of the existing wall with the

[1:05:09] hair fuels center. Um and then as far as

[1:05:12] storm water, so they will be required to

[1:05:14] submit calculations to show um that they

[1:05:17] will not be diverting any water onto any

[1:05:20] other property. Um and that's through um

[1:05:23] you know engineered plans showing with

[1:05:26] exact calculations how they're going to

[1:05:28] account for the water.

[1:05:29] >> Okay.

[1:05:30] >> Yep.

[1:05:32] >> Uh thanks. That was that was all that I

[1:05:34] had. So I appreciate me.

[1:05:37] >> Don't worry about it. You didn't know

[1:05:38] the procedure. That's what we're here

[1:05:40] for. We're here to answer your questions

[1:05:42] and uh hopefully you got got them

[1:05:44] answered and then you got Brandy knows

[1:05:48] he's a good one to talk to. So,

[1:05:50] >> okay,

[1:05:51] >> Clarence Clarence has something. So,

[1:05:52] >> I'm going to add something real quick to

[1:05:54] Mr. Chase. Um Mr. Anderson, they went

[1:05:57] into this in more detail in the planning

[1:06:00] board meeting. So, I you know recommend

[1:06:02] you go back and look at the planning

[1:06:03] board meeting. It talks about that the

[1:06:05] concerns of lights coming into the homes

[1:06:07] and the walls the size and you actually

[1:06:08] have a planning board member here

[1:06:10] Richard Ser. So um I would encourage

[1:06:13] that and I'd like to if we don't have

[1:06:16] any other uh speakers I'll go ahead and

[1:06:18] make a motion to close public hearing.

[1:06:20] >> Okay. All in favor?

[1:06:22] Unanimous. Very good.

[1:06:26] Okay.

[1:06:27] We have no more council deliberation.

[1:06:30] >> I have a question for Brandy, sir.

[1:06:31] >> Okay. Brandy. Uh, Miss Brandy, you

[1:06:33] mentioned that it's a bank going there.

[1:06:35] Which bank?

[1:06:38] >> Uh, the applicant is here tonight, and

[1:06:40] if he would like to divulge that, I will

[1:06:42] let him do so.

[1:06:43] >> Oh, my my my approval or not hinges on

[1:06:46] the name of the bank.

[1:06:52] » For they're pointing to each other. I

[1:06:54] think they're trying to flip a coin.

[1:06:55] >> For full and fair disclosure, I work for

[1:06:58] a bank.

[1:06:59] >> Which bank?

[1:07:04] Exactly. That's why I'm asking you.

[1:07:08] >> No. Okay. Sorry. I'm not getting any

[1:07:10] answers from the back.

[1:07:12] >> You need to because the thing is I need

[1:07:13] to know if I if I should abstain or not.

[1:07:15] >> We can talk later.

[1:07:16] >> Yeah.

[1:07:18] >> Okay. So, okay. Now I know why you were

[1:07:20] asking the question. So, um Okay. So,

[1:07:24] can now can I get a motion?

[1:07:29] » Yes, you can.

[1:07:31] All right. I'd like to make a motion to

[1:07:33] approve ordinance 43, number 431,

[1:07:36] pertaining to petition CZ 2026-0076

[1:07:42] as presented.

[1:07:43] >> All in favor?

[1:07:45] >> Unanimous. Marcus, you can raise your

[1:07:46] hand all the way up. Halfway up

[1:07:49] anything. Go ahead.

[1:07:50] like to make a motion to adopt the

[1:07:52] statement of consistency findings for

[1:07:54] CZ2026-000076

[1:07:58] as read into the record by staff.

[1:08:01] >> All in favor? Unanimous and unanimous

[1:08:04] both ways. So, thank you, Brandy.

[1:08:06] >> Welcome.

[1:08:07] >> You go on. Go. You want to do the next

[1:08:10] one for me?

[1:08:11] >> Yes, absolutely. Our second one for the

[1:08:13] night is um zoning text amendment

[1:08:16] 20260084.

[1:08:18] This is Indian Trail Fairview Road

[1:08:20] corridor signage and we're looking at um

[1:08:22] amending the code

[1:08:26] and specifically we're looking to

[1:08:28] establish standards for signage for

[1:08:30] multi-tenant properties along Indian

[1:08:32] Fair View Road based upon the size of

[1:08:35] the property. Um and we've got two

[1:08:38] applicants who have requested this

[1:08:39] Premier Eye Care and the Church at

[1:08:41] Indian Trail.

[1:08:45] So, two signage requests actually came

[1:08:47] in the same week for

[1:08:51] essentially almost the same exact

[1:08:53] height. Um, it exceeded well exceeded

[1:08:55] the height requirements. And so when we

[1:08:57] started researching um we found out that

[1:09:01] the light industrial park um that is

[1:09:04] going to be coming across from the

[1:09:06] Church of Indian Trail already included

[1:09:08] that in their CZ. So, you've got one 15

[1:09:11] foot tall sign, you've got someone

[1:09:13] requesting a 14 foot tall sign, and

[1:09:15] you've got someone requesting a 15 foot

[1:09:17] tall sign. And then you think about what

[1:09:20] else is going on in that corridor. We

[1:09:22] can see 74 junction asking, maybe even

[1:09:25] our own public works facility. There's

[1:09:28] other light industrial folks that we're

[1:09:29] working with further down, Stinson

[1:09:31] hardest. Um, so we really started to

[1:09:33] realize that, okay, maybe this corridor

[1:09:35] is changing a lot faster than we

[1:09:36] realized. And um so we are putting forth

[1:09:40] that amendment tonight. Here's some of

[1:09:42] just the example of businesses. Um it

[1:09:47] was before my time so I don't know how

[1:09:48] it happened but Extreme Ice actually

[1:09:50] already has you know a pretty fairly

[1:09:52] tall sign. Um and then Indian Trail

[1:09:55] Corporate Park um is now Oak

[1:09:59] Trail Crossing. They've changed their

[1:10:01] name. Um that's the light industrial

[1:10:03] that that got the 15 foot tall sign. So

[1:10:06] we we really are changing the face of

[1:10:08] this corridor to no longer being

[1:10:10] residential at all.

[1:10:13] Um but the the amendment will establish

[1:10:16] standards um based upon the size of the

[1:10:19] property. It will improve visibility and

[1:10:21] wayfinding for businesses and um

[1:10:23] establish consistent signage standards.

[1:10:28] And so here's the revisions that we are

[1:10:30] looking at. Um there's strike through

[1:10:33] and underline in red. That's what's

[1:10:34] going away. And then the blue underline

[1:10:37] is the new um so we already have a

[1:10:40] specialized section for Highway 74 and

[1:10:42] um and Old Monroe Road and we decided

[1:10:44] that was the best place to add this in.

[1:10:46] Um so we're just adding in Indian Trail

[1:10:48] Fair View to that section and then we're

[1:10:52] adding it into the chart. So, what we've

[1:10:54] done is we've um we've increased the

[1:10:58] square footage and the height of the

[1:10:59] sign based on how the size of the

[1:11:02] property and this complies with the

[1:11:04] requests that we've had from both

[1:11:05] applicants.

[1:11:08] Your consistency findings for this

[1:11:10] request is that um it is reasonable and

[1:11:13] in the public interest as it promotes

[1:11:15] the goals of the comprehensive plan and

[1:11:16] economic development goal number two and

[1:11:18] quality of life goal number one.

[1:11:23] and I'll be glad to answer any questions

[1:11:24] you may have. Thank you,

[1:11:26] >> Marcus.

[1:11:27] >> Um, you mentioned that um there was

[1:11:30] there were three possible I care at

[1:11:34] Indian Trail and the the land being

[1:11:38] cleared there by whatever industrial

[1:11:40] park

[1:11:41] >> um they included it in theirs. What is

[1:11:44] what are what what is the what what's

[1:11:47] going to be the height of this each of

[1:11:48] these sites? Would it all be 15?

[1:11:50] >> 15. Yes.

[1:11:51] >> 15. So the 14 would basically have to

[1:11:53] come out to 15.

[1:11:55] >> Yeah. Uh no. Well, they could they could

[1:11:57] do less. It's just a max.

[1:11:59] >> No more than 15,

[1:12:00] >> right? And you'll see if you'll see on

[1:12:01] the chart like the tallest even, you

[1:12:04] know, even if you've got more than seven

[1:12:05] acres, the tallest is 15.

[1:12:08] >> Okay. All right.

[1:12:10] >> You good?

[1:12:11] >> I'm good. Thank you.

[1:12:12] >> Okay. All right. So, we have no one

[1:12:15] speaking for um public hearing. Can I

[1:12:18] get somebody to make a motion to open

[1:12:19] and close public hearing? Motion to open

[1:12:21] and close public hearing.

[1:12:23] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[1:12:26] Okay, that uh brings us to Can I get a

[1:12:29] motion? Uh a motion to uh

[1:12:34] >> Yes.

[1:12:34] >> approve or go ahead.

[1:12:36] >> I'll make a motion to approve ordinance

[1:12:38] number 432 pertaining to petition ZT

[1:12:41] 2026-0084

[1:12:43] as presented.

[1:12:44] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[1:12:47] And I would like to make the motion to

[1:12:49] adopt the statement of consistency

[1:12:51] findings for ZT2026-000084

[1:12:54] as read into the record by staff.

[1:12:57] >> All in favor?

[1:12:58] >> Unanimous.

[1:13:00] Okay, Brandy, you're up again.

[1:13:02] >> All right, moving right along. Our third

[1:13:04] is another zoning text amendment

[1:13:05] 20260085.

[1:13:08] This one is to remove the school impact

[1:13:11] study.

[1:13:13] So, we're looking at removing the

[1:13:15] requirement for a residential applicant

[1:13:18] to provide a school impact study. Um,

[1:13:20] that might sound crazy, but just hang in

[1:13:22] there with me. Um, we really do feel

[1:13:24] like that the changes will better serve

[1:13:26] the residents and the applicants

[1:13:28] overall. Um, and this is something that

[1:13:30] the planning department's putting forth

[1:13:32] as we've seen it be an issue. So, um,

[1:13:36] currently in the code now, if you are

[1:13:38] proposing 50 or more lots of residential

[1:13:42] development, you're required to pro

[1:13:43] provide a student impact study. Um, and

[1:13:46] it was supposed to help provide a a

[1:13:48] student yield, like projecting how many

[1:13:51] students this development would bring.

[1:13:53] Um, we have recently found that there is

[1:13:57] no one any longer doing these

[1:13:59] projections. these projections were kind

[1:14:02] of all over the place. Um they weren't really consistent. They were

[1:14:07] greatly contested. Um and so it just

[1:14:10] ended up not being very informative. Um

[1:14:13] we pulled the list serve for all the

[1:14:15] planners in the state and did not get

[1:14:17] one single person who um has it the way

[1:14:20] we have it that requires a student

[1:14:23] impact study. Um which made sense why we

[1:14:25] can't find anybody to do one. So, um,

[1:14:28] most communities

[1:14:31] require the reporting coming straight

[1:14:33] from the public school system. And so,

[1:14:37] they have folks um that really know what

[1:14:40] they're doing over there and they model

[1:14:42] this for the school system's own um

[1:14:45] needs as well and then they can just

[1:14:48] provide us with it as we have resonings.

[1:14:51] And so this has been something that

[1:14:52] we've been receiving from the county in

[1:14:55] addition to the the school impact study.

[1:14:58] Um but they they do provide the relevant

[1:15:01] um input to us that talks about um the

[1:15:04] actuals in the attendance areas, the

[1:15:08] school's rated capacity, um the total

[1:15:11] existing residential units contributing

[1:15:13] to the attendance area, and then they

[1:15:15] add any other comments that they feel

[1:15:16] may be appropriate for for the request.

[1:15:21] So, what we're looking at doing is um

[1:15:24] under the section where it says

[1:15:26] application procedures, we're not going

[1:15:28] to require the school impact study as a

[1:15:32] um as a requirement for the applicant,

[1:15:36] but instead we're going to be looking

[1:15:38] under a new section in staff reviews

[1:15:40] where that burden will be placed on

[1:15:42] staff when they receive a reasonzoning

[1:15:44] to reach out to the county to get this

[1:15:46] information so that then the community

[1:15:48] planning board and town council can take

[1:15:50] that into consideration rather than

[1:15:52] taking projections, you know, that that

[1:15:55] are kind of all over the place depending

[1:15:57] on who does the study.

[1:16:01] And again, this is where the new section

[1:16:03] will come in um under the subdivision

[1:16:05] regulations and the previous one will go

[1:16:08] away.

[1:16:10] So our consistency findings for this

[1:16:12] issue is this is a reasonable request

[1:16:15] and in the public interest because it

[1:16:16] promotes the goals of the comprehensive

[1:16:18] plan in the areas of community

[1:16:20] engagement goal number one and economic

[1:16:22] development goal number two.

[1:16:25] And I'll be glad to answer any questions

[1:16:26] you may have. Thank you.

[1:16:29] >> Clarence, I'll make it quick since we're

[1:16:32] talking about um impact studies. We have

[1:16:35] a lot of citizens here. Now would be a

[1:16:36] good time. um you always hear why don't

[1:16:38] we make um developers pay for

[1:16:41] improvements to our school with impact

[1:16:43] fees. So why is that something that we

[1:16:45] don't do?

[1:16:46] >> Right? So if you look at your tax bill

[1:16:48] um it breaks it down. You can see that

[1:16:50] the tax structure um there is designated

[1:16:53] funds that go to the school system. The

[1:16:55] model is set up that as you have growth

[1:16:58] ideally it should pay for the you know

[1:17:00] the needs of folks coming in. Um, and so

[1:17:04] as a town when it comes to reszonings,

[1:17:08] um, you know, things that are not

[1:17:09] legally under our control, we have to be

[1:17:11] careful about making decisions based on

[1:17:13] that. And schools is one of those,

[1:17:15] right? Because we don't, um, we don't

[1:17:17] have schools. We don't have a school

[1:17:19] system that we operate.

[1:17:20] >> And impact fees are illegal in North

[1:17:22] Carolina.

[1:17:22] >> Correct. Correct. You do have system

[1:17:24] development fees with water and sewer,

[1:17:26] which could kind of be considered the

[1:17:28] same thing, but actual impact fees are

[1:17:30] illegal. Um, let me just ask a follow-up

[1:17:33] question to that. I know you're going to

[1:17:34] ask, but I'm going to ask for your

[1:17:36] opinion here. Um, seeing that we're

[1:17:39] going to sort of ask the county for that

[1:17:42] information. This schools,

[1:17:45] um, water and sewer do not fall under

[1:17:47] our purview, right? So why why would we

[1:17:52] include that as a means of sort of maybe

[1:17:56] that could influence our decision one

[1:17:59] way or another when we're making this

[1:18:00] when we are deciding things like I I

[1:18:03] just think legally doesn't that expose

[1:18:06] us it becomes a slippery slope. I'm very

[1:18:08] cons I'm I'm curious about your answer

[1:18:10] but that that's sort of where I look at

[1:18:12] it because we do not control anything

[1:18:14] dealing with the schools. um we do not

[1:18:17] control anything water and sewer and

[1:18:19] we're removing it because it's not

[1:18:21] consistent as to what other

[1:18:23] municipalities or other plan um towns

[1:18:25] are doing. But how do we how do we

[1:18:28] really is should that something be part

[1:18:30] of should we even consider that? Should

[1:18:33] it be included?

[1:18:34] >> I mean I think it's okay to consider it

[1:18:37] whether you consider or not residents

[1:18:40] are going to come forward and complain

[1:18:42] right the schools are too crowded. Um,

[1:18:48] with legislative reasoning, you have a

[1:18:50] lot of um, discretion. So, as long as

[1:18:55] you're not denying it for an illegal

[1:18:57] reason, pretty much the courts are going

[1:19:00] to end up on our side.

[1:19:01] >> Yeah. Um, but if the focus of the

[1:19:04] conversation is only about schools and

[1:19:07] not about roads and traffic and property

[1:19:09] values and all the other reasons why,

[1:19:11] you know, people complain about new

[1:19:13] developments. I mean, potentially it

[1:19:16] could be a problem.

[1:19:17] >> Yes. I I I would never want that to be

[1:19:20] the focus of the conversation or the

[1:19:23] reason for your denial,

[1:19:24] >> but it's part of the decision tree now

[1:19:27] because it's included in there, even if

[1:19:29] it's not implicit or exor.

[1:19:32] >> I mean, I would be fine if if it was

[1:19:34] completely out.

[1:19:35] >> Yeah, I I think we would as well. Now,

[1:19:37] politically, it might be a little harder

[1:19:38] that it's not touched on in some way. I

[1:19:41] I'm just thinking of it from a decision

[1:19:42] tree standpoint, but anyway, I just ask.

[1:19:45] >> I did want to touch on um Clarence's

[1:19:48] question. Years ago, the county actually

[1:19:51] um hired attorneys from I don't know if

[1:19:53] it was Kentucky or somewhere who had

[1:19:56] been very successful around the country

[1:19:58] in litigating the impact fees. And that

[1:20:02] case went, you know, all through the

[1:20:04] court of appeals. And the courts in

[1:20:06] North Carolina have been very, very

[1:20:08] clear that it is illegal. you cannot do

[1:20:10] anything that could be defined as some

[1:20:13] sort of impact fee. And the same thing

[1:20:16] with with um reasonzoning, you know, if

[1:20:18] we allow it and say, "Oh, but if you, know, pay this much for the

[1:20:22] schools," then that's going to be

[1:20:23] overturned. If if there's going to looks

[1:20:24] like there's something we're trying to

[1:20:26] do to buffer the impact with the schools

[1:20:29] that they could interpret as a fee, then

[1:20:32] that's going to be stricken.

[1:20:33] >> Yeah.

[1:20:36] Is is there a desire to strike it all

[1:20:38] together?

[1:20:39] >> That would be my recommendation, but the

[1:20:41] attorney will advise us on that.

[1:20:43] >> I mean, I think that's the safest route.

[1:20:46] >> Yeah, I'd like to I I don't I would

[1:20:48] prefer we do not include it because

[1:20:50] >> and don't get the information from the

[1:20:52] county at all.

[1:20:55] >> Things if you give it then it becomes

[1:20:56] part of the decision tree. It's it's

[1:20:58] really to protect the planning board and

[1:21:00] the council where that's not part of the

[1:21:02] decision. Now, somebody in their own

[1:21:04] mind can make up you can decide however

[1:21:07] they want. But if I list it, then it's

[1:21:10] like I have the ingredients and I'm

[1:21:11] going to make this, right? I'm going to

[1:21:13] make brown bread, but I'm only using

[1:21:15] white flour. I'm not making brown bread.

[1:21:16] I'm making white white bread, right? But

[1:21:18] if I include the brown flour, then I am

[1:21:20] making that. You get what I'm saying?

[1:21:21] It's like I think it's it would be

[1:21:23] better to leave out because it it

[1:21:25] doesn't factor into into decision and it

[1:21:27] shouldn't and therefore it limits us. it

[1:21:29] legally it it protects the town, the

[1:21:32] residents and the planning board and

[1:21:35] everybody else.

[1:21:37] I mean

[1:21:39] that would be I speak for myself one of

[1:21:42] many

[1:21:43] >> but that would be

[1:21:44] >> I think as long as you understand like

[1:21:45] the school board may frown on that

[1:21:47] somewhat, right? Like we're not even we

[1:21:49] don't even care. We're just

[1:21:50] >> but we but it but it's not part of our

[1:21:53] decision and it it shouldn't be and it

[1:21:55] cannot be,

[1:21:56] >> right?

[1:21:59] I mean

[1:22:03] » a question if if how how do we do it? I

[1:22:05] know how we do it now but what what is

[1:22:07] the actual process of of when you do it?

[1:22:10] What what what how what is the school

[1:22:13] impact? Does that make sense? What what

[1:22:16] are we doing to

[1:22:17] >> get that information?

[1:22:19] >> Yeah. So the last one we did was over

[1:22:21] five years ago and there was one

[1:22:24] consultant at the time that did the

[1:22:26] work. Um but basically the developer

[1:22:28] pays this third party consultant to do a

[1:22:31] report to basically do some projections

[1:22:34] to say how many kids are going to do you

[1:22:37] know are going to be going into um Sun

[1:22:41] Valley High in Trail Elementary you know

[1:22:43] all the whatever whatever cluster it

[1:22:46] might be um they're projecting what what

[1:22:50] that development will bring um and you

[1:22:52] know if you think about it you yeah

[1:22:54] there's some difference in apartments

[1:22:56] and town homes and single family, but it

[1:22:59] it's really kind of a guessing game,

[1:23:01] honestly. Um, but that report would be

[1:23:04] included in in the planning board agenda

[1:23:06] packets and town council packets. Um,

[1:23:08] and and discussed as part of

[1:23:10] >> Do you find that because it was done by

[1:23:12] the developer that it it probably leaned

[1:23:17] towards

[1:23:19] positive things to say to you would

[1:23:22] think so, would you? Or would you not?

[1:23:24] the professional.

[1:23:25] >> I I I think you are asking an obvious

[1:23:27] question. Yes, I think it would.

[1:23:29] >> The professional we worked with um since

[1:23:31] I've been in Indian Trail, she actually

[1:23:34] had some pretty uh pretty contentious

[1:23:38] conversations with developers because

[1:23:40] she was not willing to do that. But I

[1:23:42] certainly think that there probably were

[1:23:44] some consultants that would lean very

[1:23:47] conservative.

[1:23:47] >> This a tough uh thing.

[1:23:50] I'm almost thinking what'd you bring it

[1:23:52] up for? I'm I'm kidding. Um but um yeah,

[1:24:00] any other questions? What What are your

[1:24:02] thoughts, Clarence and Crystal, in terms

[1:24:04] of I mean, we're going to we're going to

[1:24:07] remove that requirement. What about

[1:24:09] having that included? What are your

[1:24:10] thoughts?

[1:24:15] I mean, I agree that if we don't have

[1:24:17] it, there's, you know, nobody can see

[1:24:20] that it makes sense because we can't

[1:24:22] judge it. But then I don't know how the

[1:24:24] school board would look upon it. I guess

[1:24:25] they see that us asking for that

[1:24:27] information. Looks like we can do

[1:24:30] something with it, but I'm sure they

[1:24:31] know we can't. So,

[1:24:33] >> exactly.

[1:24:34] >> I mean, I'm fine with removing it

[1:24:36] because really and truly it does

[1:24:38] eliminate any question of if we

[1:24:40] considered that

[1:24:43] Clarence,

[1:24:44] >> thank you for asking. Um, I I see I see

[1:24:49] your point. Um, I think it's a good

[1:24:51] point that it can have a uh negative it

[1:24:57] could have a negative impact. Also, the

[1:25:00] fact that um

[1:25:03] we even have to have this discussion. We

[1:25:06] haven't really had any developers come

[1:25:07] to us and ask for any projects or

[1:25:10] housing projects and it's hard to find

[1:25:13] somebody anyways which slows down that

[1:25:14] process. But I really um I don't think

[1:25:18] it will be a

[1:25:24] negative move for us as far as the

[1:25:26] school board is concerned.

[1:25:27] >> I don't think so. Um then sorry I

[1:25:31] appreciate you you guys may I'm just

[1:25:33] asking a couple questions. Melanie, if

[1:25:35] we were to move on with this um here, um

[1:25:39] how would you how would you recommend we

[1:25:41] approach it? I'd like to make a motion,

[1:25:43] right? And what I'd like to do is to

[1:25:45] kind of give the planning board the no,

[1:25:48] sorry, the planning director and her

[1:25:50] staff sort of the instructions. How do

[1:25:52] we do that?

[1:25:54] >> If it's changed, it would have to go

[1:25:56] back to planning board, right? We can't

[1:25:57] vote on it removing it alto together

[1:25:59] because that's not what planning board

[1:26:01] considered and recommended. So we'd have

[1:26:03] to go through the process already. Would

[1:26:06] it be beneficial to approve it as is so

[1:26:09] at least we have something so in the

[1:26:11] event a developer comes forward, we

[1:26:13] don't have to tell them, hey, you have

[1:26:14] to do the school study and there's no

[1:26:16] one that can do it. Um

[1:26:18] >> yes,

[1:26:19] >> I I got you. I I follow. But I do think

[1:26:22] um I was looking through my emails to

[1:26:23] look for it, but um leaning

[1:26:26] on the I don't want to say it's illegal,

[1:26:29] but the court could find it's arbitrary

[1:26:30] and capriccious for us to turn down a

[1:26:33] development because of the school study.

[1:26:36] That was the language I was looking for.

[1:26:38] >> All right. So, mayor, I've answered I've

[1:26:41] questions have been answered. If you

[1:26:43] want, I can make a motion or if you have

[1:26:44] anything else.

[1:26:45] >> No, I I do. It's a very difficult um I

[1:26:49] kind of put my two cents in. It's it's a

[1:26:51] difficult decision to make.

[1:26:53] >> Uh because it's also a political

[1:26:55] decision.

[1:26:56] >> Yeah.

[1:26:57] >> It's a um

[1:26:59] look, you don't want to look at it

[1:27:01] politically because I don't believe it

[1:27:02] is a political, but other people may

[1:27:05] turn it into a political uh uh situation

[1:27:08] that you don't care. Uh that that and

[1:27:11] that doesn't I don't I really don't see

[1:27:14] it that way. I don't I don't see it that

[1:27:15] we don't care. I I see it that we're

[1:27:17] doing the right thing to do if because

[1:27:20] of what you want to do, but uh it would

[1:27:23] have been easy for me just not to say

[1:27:24] anything, be honest with you, and let

[1:27:26] you guys do it. So, go go ahead and I I

[1:27:29] kind of would like to see it. Um

[1:27:32] >> I want you to protect yourselves, too.

[1:27:34] So, I don't want you So, it's it's up to

[1:27:37] you guys. So it we're politicians and

[1:27:40] sometimes some things may be political.

[1:27:42] But that being said, sir, um Miss D, you and your staff would look into sort

[1:27:47] of the advancement of that in terms of

[1:27:49] removing it at some point.

[1:27:51] >> Yes, I I do agree um with Miss Cox, it

[1:27:53] would be great because this did just

[1:27:56] come up. So we didn't we're not just

[1:27:58] combing the code and trying to create

[1:27:59] funds things for y'all. So if we had if

[1:28:02] we got the school impact study removed

[1:28:05] then our next planning board meeting we

[1:28:07] can propose an amendment to to wosing.

[1:28:10] >> You go along that way and then I'll make

[1:28:12] a motion to open and close.

[1:28:15] >> Oh, sorry.

[1:28:17] >> Anybody signed up?

[1:28:18] >> No. Can I No, you can.

[1:28:19] >> I I'll make a motion to open and close

[1:28:21] public comments.

[1:28:23] >> All in favor?

[1:28:24] >> Yeah.

[1:28:24] >> Unanimous.

[1:28:25] >> Sorry, mayor. I was jumping ahead there.

[1:28:28] Um, and I'll make a motion to approve

[1:28:30] ordinance number 433

[1:28:33] pertaining to petition ZT2026-

[1:28:37] 080085

[1:28:39] as presented.

[1:28:40] >> All in favor?

[1:28:42] >> Unanimous.

[1:28:42] >> I'll make a second motion to adopt the

[1:28:45] statement of consistency findings for

[1:28:47] ZT2026-0085

[1:28:50] as read into the record by staff.

[1:28:52] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[1:28:56] Okay.

[1:28:57] All right, last one for the night is CZ

[1:29:00] 202260086

[1:29:02] Hanfield Vet Clinic. This is a

[1:29:04] conditional resoning modification from

[1:29:06] the original CZ 2014003M.

[1:29:10] Um that M says that we've already

[1:29:12] modified it. Um we don't do two M's, so

[1:29:16] we're going with a new case number. Um

[1:29:20] so we are looking to add a land use uh

[1:29:23] for a veterinarian clinic and office. um

[1:29:28] without outdoor animal areas. Um and

[1:29:31] this is in the Hanfield Village Shopping

[1:29:33] Center. No new structures are planned.

[1:29:35] This is within an existing structure. Um

[1:29:38] and the original Hanfield Village uh CZ

[1:29:42] did not allow it. It excluded uh

[1:29:44] veterinarian services as um a prohibited

[1:29:47] use.

[1:29:49] So just a little bit about the

[1:29:50] conditional zoning. This is obviously

[1:29:52] the public shopping center. It was

[1:29:54] approved in 2015

[1:29:56] and amended in 2024 to allow

[1:29:59] drive-through facilities and a cigar

[1:30:01] shop on Wesley Chapel Stouts Road. You

[1:30:03] may remember that. Um, and this

[1:30:06] petition, just like the previous

[1:30:08] modification, doesn't change any of the

[1:30:10] original approvals. We're just changing

[1:30:12] the specific use for vet. Everything

[1:30:15] else remains in place. Um and again

[1:30:18] property conditions uh currently it's

[1:30:21] within that Sun Valley Activity Center

[1:30:23] overlay that we talked about on um the

[1:30:25] first public hearing for tonight. It's

[1:30:28] zone CZGBD which is general business

[1:30:31] district. And then obviously you've got

[1:30:33] um the Publix and all of the the

[1:30:36] tenants, the restaurants and personal

[1:30:38] services in that shopping center.

[1:30:42] surrounding conditions. It's adjacent to

[1:30:44] other shopping as well as the um Sun

[1:30:47] Valley High School and then there are

[1:30:49] some nearby residential subdivisions.

[1:30:54] This is the building. So, previously

[1:30:56] where um the joint chiropractic was and

[1:30:59] located behind the um copper t uh tap

[1:31:04] and table club Pilates Geico

[1:31:09] and then your existing zoning

[1:31:11] conditions. So, you can see that Sun

[1:31:13] Valley Commons is GBD. You've got the

[1:31:15] Hanfield Village that's GBD and then you

[1:31:17] do have some um SF1 surrounding it as

[1:31:20] well.

[1:31:22] future land use. Again, um it is in the

[1:31:25] subregional activity center overlay. It

[1:31:27] does um plan for this area to be an

[1:31:30] entertainment district and mixed use is

[1:31:32] what we are looking for. So, it complies

[1:31:34] with that and it complies with the

[1:31:37] comprehensive plan in the areas of

[1:31:38] economic development goal number one,

[1:31:40] land use and housing goal number one,

[1:31:42] and land use and housing goal number

[1:31:43] four.

[1:31:46] And why wouldn't they allow vet clinics

[1:31:49] um by right? So, we did look at a couple

[1:31:53] of the impacts um and really talked a

[1:31:57] lot in planning board about the outdoor

[1:31:59] areas um and really honed in with the

[1:32:04] tenant that it would be primarily vet

[1:32:08] clinic. They're not going to be having

[1:32:09] boarding where, you know, the dogs are

[1:32:11] going to um have to go in and out. Um

[1:32:15] and so the outdoor area would not be

[1:32:17] necessary. And we also have an example

[1:32:20] in the Sun Valley area already with PEP

[1:32:22] bar if y'all are familiar with that. Um

[1:32:25] we were a little concerned when that

[1:32:27] came in by Wright. Um but that has not

[1:32:29] been an issue with there needing to be

[1:32:31] any um outdoor facilities for the

[1:32:33] animals. They're they're they're in and

[1:32:35] out um quickly.

[1:32:39] So, our recommended conditions um is

[1:32:42] just this blue at the bottom and that it

[1:32:45] allows the veterinarian clinics and

[1:32:47] offices without outdoor animal areas may

[1:32:50] be permitted. Um and any indoor animal

[1:32:52] boarding must only be associated with

[1:32:55] medical care.

[1:32:58] The requested action is before you and

[1:33:00] I'll be glad to answer any questions you

[1:33:01] may have. Thank you.

[1:33:02] >> Okay. And again, we have no one signed

[1:33:04] up for public hearing. So, can I get an

[1:33:07] open and close on public hearing?

[1:33:10] >> Motion to open and close public hearing.

[1:33:12] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[1:33:15] >> Can I get a motion?

[1:33:18] All right. Motion to approve ordinance

[1:33:20] number 434 pertaining to position

[1:33:23] petition CZ2026-0086

[1:33:28] as presented.

[1:33:29] >> All in favor?

[1:33:31] >> Unanimous. Motion to adopt the statement

[1:33:35] of consistency findings for

[1:33:37] CZ2026-000086

[1:33:41] as read into the record by staff.

[1:33:44] >> All in favor unanimous.

[1:33:49] » Okay, Randy. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:33:53] >> Brings us to old B business uh project

[1:33:55] update. Uh Chestnut Square Park phase 2B

[1:33:59] field and community center. Mr.

[1:34:01] Huninger.

[1:34:09] » Uh, thank you, Mayor Council.

[1:34:13] So, tonight we're going to talk u give

[1:34:15] you a little bit of the history less,

[1:34:18] you know, where we're, you know, how we

[1:34:20] came to be at this point. Uh, concept

[1:34:23] site plan and then the design contract.

[1:34:29] So, um, we back in January of last year,

[1:34:33] um, basic council decided to delay this

[1:34:37] project due to the fact, uh, staff came

[1:34:39] back to y'all to suggest this might be a

[1:34:42] good piece of property to for a future

[1:34:44] community center. And so then we came

[1:34:46] back to you the following month in

[1:34:47] February 2025 uh, to approve

[1:34:51] analysis uh, contract to see if this

[1:34:53] would be doable.

[1:34:55] Uh and then basically um Adam came back

[1:34:59] to y'all uh just recently to get council

[1:35:02] approval on concept 2B.

[1:35:07] So just right now the you know what we

[1:35:11] got out there is what we built was Chest

[1:35:13] Square Park phase 2A.

[1:35:16] So, just to go back to our CIP ordinance

[1:35:18] and give you a rundown of where where

[1:35:20] we're at is basically we expended those

[1:35:22] funds. This is what we expended to build

[1:35:24] that phase 2A section. Uh so, we used

[1:35:27] those four funding sources, Cal

[1:35:29] Preserve, part Bond, storm water, skip

[1:35:31] grant. Uh and I'm not going to go

[1:35:33] through the amounts, but basically that

[1:35:35] equaled about 3.19

[1:35:37] basically $3.2 million.

[1:35:40] Um

[1:35:41] and so what we have remaining in that

[1:35:43] $7.5 million CIP

[1:35:47] uh is uh basically 4.3 uh and you have

[1:35:50] those fund four funding sources general

[1:35:53] fund capital reserve part bond and then

[1:35:55] a little bit of storm water which we

[1:35:57] probably won't use. Um, but just to be

[1:36:00] transparent, that's that's exactly what

[1:36:02] the amounts were.

[1:36:05] So, uh, when we came to y'all with a

[1:36:10] chestnut phase 2, this was what was

[1:36:13] going to be the total, uh, site layout

[1:36:16] and what was going to be built in the

[1:36:17] future. Obviously, we're not building

[1:36:19] that now. U, so that parking lot area is

[1:36:22] changing. Uh, the fields being

[1:36:25] repositioned. Um, and so, uh, just to

[1:36:28] give you a sense of what y'all approved

[1:36:30] way back then, that was what that was

[1:36:32] what was technically approved. Now, we

[1:36:34] doesn't we don't have to build that

[1:36:35] weird parking lot area with the circle,

[1:36:37] um, and so forth and so on. So, I think

[1:36:40] it's been a good decision. So, this is

[1:36:43] what you approved in June, uh, concept

[1:36:45] 2B.

[1:36:47] All right. So, again, we've shifted the

[1:36:50] field down. Um the way this the this con

[1:36:54] this uh submittal agreement that you're

[1:36:56] going to uh ask to be approved tonight

[1:36:58] basically we'll replplat this property.

[1:37:00] So this property line you see down here

[1:37:02] at the b bottom going across the field

[1:37:06] will no longer be there that this

[1:37:07] property will be one property not two

[1:37:10] separate properties. Uh so we're going

[1:37:12] to clean up that u and then again you

[1:37:15] get more parking. Um

[1:37:17] and uh we we'll uh still do the part do

[1:37:21] the uh bathroom facility at the existing

[1:37:23] parking lot that was built in phase 2 A

[1:37:26] um and then um finish out the boardwalk.

[1:37:31] So what you approved in that original

[1:37:34] contract analysis was $59,700.

[1:37:37] We're pretty much have expended all that

[1:37:38] money. And so the supplemental agreement

[1:37:41] is broken down into two main sources.

[1:37:44] And I'll give you a breakdown of that in

[1:37:46] a minute. Um, so you basically have the

[1:37:48] Chesnut Square part two phase 2B design,

[1:37:52] which is around $274,000.

[1:37:55] And then you'll have the community

[1:37:56] center um design renderings. Uh, again,

[1:38:00] giving you a sense of what that's could

[1:38:02] be in the future, give you options of

[1:38:04] what you could choose,

[1:38:06] um, the facade and everything. Um, that

[1:38:09] will be part of that. Uh, and you

[1:38:11] basically that 177,000 you see there is

[1:38:15] going to give you almost uh a 50% design

[1:38:18] of that building. I mean, you're going

[1:38:19] to get a good sense of what that

[1:38:21] building is going to look like from in

[1:38:23] from inside and out. U

[1:38:26] so just just so we're clear about that.

[1:38:28] Um and so that breakdown of that

[1:38:31] supplement agreement is again

[1:38:34] any any plan you've got to go back and

[1:38:36] do some surveying. Uh so we're going to

[1:38:38] do a little bit of surveying. The

[1:38:39] schematic design is 38,000. That's

[1:38:41] basically getting you at 30% design

[1:38:43] plans and then it comes back to us to

[1:38:45] review as staff and you know again

[1:38:48] that's when you're going to find if you

[1:38:49] got any hiccups with grade or anything

[1:38:51] like that. Um hopefully that's not the

[1:38:53] case but again that's a stepping stone

[1:38:56] and then you go into um basically

[1:38:58] construction docks in permitting which

[1:39:00] gets you to basically your 90 to 90 to

[1:39:03] 100% plans. That's all in that 89,000.

[1:39:08] Um,

[1:39:10] and that's includes storm water. You

[1:39:12] know, we we still got to make sure the

[1:39:14] pond itself uh can can take the

[1:39:17] impervious that we're putting back the

[1:39:18] additional impervious we're putting back

[1:39:20] out there. We may have to put a smaller

[1:39:22] pond in a different in a a different

[1:39:24] location. Don't know that yet, but

[1:39:26] again, that's part of that that money.

[1:39:29] And then the sub services, that's

[1:39:31] basically all the subcontractors. You've

[1:39:33] got you got the the guy that's going to

[1:39:35] design this uh synthetic turf field. All

[1:39:38] right, that's a separate consultant.

[1:39:41] Then you have your architectural design

[1:39:43] um

[1:39:45] of the building and all that. And then

[1:39:47] you have um

[1:39:50] and also the bathroom stuff. Again, we

[1:39:52] have to go back and take a look at make

[1:39:54] sure what we designed back then. We did

[1:39:57] have somewhat of a a permanent design

[1:39:59] for that building, but again, that's

[1:40:00] been several years old. So he has to go

[1:40:02] back and make sure it's up to code now

[1:40:04] the any updated building code standards.

[1:40:07] So you got a little bit of services in

[1:40:08] that. And then of course we got to get a

[1:40:10] new cost estimation to figure out

[1:40:12] exactly what it's going to cost us. Cuz

[1:40:14] again you have 4.3. I can't guarantee

[1:40:17] you it's going to come in below that. Uh

[1:40:20] hopefully it does, but we we'll know

[1:40:22] that sooner or rather than later when we

[1:40:24] get to that 60% plan stage. And so we'll

[1:40:27] come back to y'all then. And then

[1:40:29] basically we we'll have to do some

[1:40:31] material testing services out there. Uh

[1:40:33] so you've got to factor that in, you

[1:40:35] know, a pot of money to make sure you

[1:40:37] have enough to do that. And then

[1:40:39] reimburse is just, you know, documents,

[1:40:42] printing, stuff like that.

[1:40:46] Uh what's not in this number is uh the

[1:40:50] permitting itself is trying to get the

[1:40:52] documents together, but do you know

[1:40:53] obviously the town do pays the

[1:40:55] permitting fees for those third party uh

[1:40:57] agencies. So, that's a little bit of

[1:40:59] money. It's not much, but again, it's

[1:41:01] not technically in that number. Just so

[1:41:02] you're we're clear.

[1:41:05] Any questions about uh the breakdown

[1:41:09] um of those two amounts? Again, you've

[1:41:11] got 40 451,700 is your total amount. And

[1:41:16] that gets you again that 177 is inside

[1:41:19] that sub subcontractor services. So,

[1:41:22] that's your total plus your community

[1:41:24] center renderings, which is your 50%

[1:41:26] design plans.

[1:41:28] All right. Anyway, I'll take questions

[1:41:30] if anybody has any. Um,

[1:41:33] before we go into the ordinance, let's

[1:41:36] ask questions and I'll explain what the

[1:41:38] orange change is.

[1:41:39] >> Anybody have any questions?

[1:41:40] >> Yeah. The um the 451 represents the

[1:41:43] 50some, the 177, and the 280 something.

[1:41:46] Right.

[1:41:46] >> No, the 59 the 50ome we already paid

[1:41:48] for. All right. That that was the

[1:41:50] >> 177 and the 280 something.

[1:41:52] >> Correct. Yes. Um the 177 is going to

[1:41:55] come out from the community

[1:41:58] fund, right? Pulling from two sources,

[1:42:01] >> right? And you'll see that. Yeah.

[1:42:02] >> All right. That's all I asked. That's

[1:42:05] all I I'm asking.

[1:42:08] Any other questions? So, um I thought of

[1:42:12] this question earlier, but u which

[1:42:14] really has nothing to do with this, but

[1:42:16] this

[1:42:17] uh this was approved,

[1:42:20] uh the phase 2B was approved unanimously

[1:42:23] by

[1:42:24] council, was it not? Okay. I just wanted

[1:42:27] to make sure that it was already

[1:42:29] everybody understood that it was

[1:42:30] unanimously passed. Go ahead. That was my comment.

[1:42:35] >> When you say phase 2b, what I guess what

[1:42:37] is it? It was approved for us to go get

[1:42:40] these numbers to bring back to council

[1:42:43] for them to approve the project itself.

[1:42:45] The the schematic design that Todd

[1:42:47] showed that showed the community center,

[1:42:50] >> the field, and the parking lot, the

[1:42:52] second one. Yes, that was approved by

[1:42:54] council at the

[1:42:55] >> two meetings ago.

[1:42:56] >> Right.

[1:42:58] >> Okay.

[1:42:58] >> Yeah.

[1:42:58] >> Okay. All right. Uh move on.

[1:43:02] >> Okay. So the way the ordinance breaks

[1:43:04] down is basically you're adding an

[1:43:07] additional cap reserve fund which is the

[1:43:08] community center fund to fund that 177

[1:43:11] which is on the second um your other

[1:43:13] funding sources don't change. Um

[1:43:17] so basically you're adding that 17 on

[1:43:19] top of the 7 and a half million.

[1:43:25] And if you have any more questions I'll

[1:43:27] be happy to answer them. If there's no

[1:43:29] more questions, I just I just want to um

[1:43:34] just bring this up very quickly. Um

[1:43:38] the importance of having a I I I've read

[1:43:41] and seen where

[1:43:44] uh why haven't we move forward with

[1:43:47] trying to um collect money or try to ask

[1:43:51] for money for for the community center?

[1:43:54] And um um I just

[1:43:59] You can't really ask for money until you

[1:44:00] have until you have something to show

[1:44:02] them. And um I kind of would like that.

[1:44:05] Adam, would you like to

[1:44:07] or or mention or say

[1:44:11] in other words, we've got to you've got

[1:44:14] to have a if you're going to ask

[1:44:15] somebody for $40 million,

[1:44:18] you can't tell them what you think it's

[1:44:20] going to look like. You got to show them

[1:44:22] what it's got to look like. Is is this

[1:44:24] is what my point is trying to be. Not

[1:44:26] that I think anybody's gonna give us $40

[1:44:29] million, but what if they did? You know,

[1:44:31] that'd be great. Or a million dollars or $500,000 or $200,000 that before you

[1:44:37] do that, you've got to you've got to

[1:44:39] show them. You don't go buy a

[1:44:41] Rolls-Royce without without seeing it,

[1:44:44] you know, without knowing what it is. So

[1:44:46] I I just kind of want that out there

[1:44:48] because I have seen several people

[1:44:51] question the fact that why well I'll

[1:44:54] just point we haven't we haven't or

[1:44:57] haven't gotten any money and I want to

[1:44:58] do my best to get money for it and but

[1:45:01] that's the reason and right

[1:45:03] >> and and that's what that 177 is going to

[1:45:05] give us. So that'll give us like Todd

[1:45:07] just said to 50% design plans roughly

[1:45:11] >> roughly

[1:45:12] >> between two and three external

[1:45:15] renderings of the community center so

[1:45:18] that council, the public, park and rec

[1:45:21] park and recck committee, everybody can

[1:45:23] weigh in to what that looks like at that

[1:45:25] point.

[1:45:25] >> If I can add this too, mayor, um it it's an important step in our evolution

[1:45:31] right as a town where we want to

[1:45:33] construct a community center. We've

[1:45:35] identified a place for it that where

[1:45:37] we'd like to see it, but without without

[1:45:40] the the a plan, right, which is

[1:45:42] basically saying at this point in time,

[1:45:44] we want to build this. This is how much

[1:45:46] we estimate it to cost. It'll cost us. I

[1:45:50] think that is what you will need as the

[1:45:51] mayor, as the face of the town going out

[1:45:53] and asking people for money. They're

[1:45:55] going to ask you, well, what are you

[1:45:57] going to build? You have something to

[1:45:58] show, right? Even if it's the plan, how

[1:46:01] much it's going to cost? you have an

[1:46:02] estimate of what it's going to cost if

[1:46:04] you had the money one time. So I think

[1:46:06] these things are necessary for us to

[1:46:08] move on to that next phase. And anybody

[1:46:11] who you know brings up a point in saying

[1:46:13] well why haven't you asked for money? I

[1:46:14] mean I'm just going to be honest.

[1:46:18] So let's not worry about these. Let's

[1:46:20] not worry about you know the people who

[1:46:22] some very small minority who think that

[1:46:25] way. Let's put this forward and get

[1:46:27] there and therefore we go that we you

[1:46:29] know

[1:46:29] >> well I think it's it's I think it's

[1:46:31] necessary. I just want the public to

[1:46:32] realize too that that's that's what

[1:46:34] we're doing. That's that's why we're

[1:46:36] doing and and I think it's a it's a good

[1:46:38] idea. So, thank thank you for for that.

[1:46:42] So,

[1:46:43] >> so we have a you know several motions we

[1:46:46] got to do um to get this get the finish

[1:46:48] line.

[1:46:49] >> Okay. Can I uh can I get a motion?

[1:46:54] Somebody want to make a motion?

[1:46:56] >> Congress.

[1:46:57] I would like to make a motion

[1:47:00] to approve design contract supplemental

[1:47:03] agreement number one with McAdams as

[1:47:06] presented.

[1:47:07] >> All in favor?

[1:47:08] >> Unanimous.

[1:47:09] >> Also would like to make a motion to

[1:47:11] approve the amended U Chestnut Park

[1:47:15] phase 2 ordinance number 094 as

[1:47:19] presented.

[1:47:20] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[1:47:23] I also would like to make a motion to

[1:47:26] approve the budget amendments for

[1:47:27] Chestnut Park phase two as pres

[1:47:31] presented.

[1:47:33] >> Yes. Okay. All in favor? Unanimous.

[1:47:37] And I am done with my motions.

[1:47:39] >> Okay. Next we have Stallings Fire

[1:47:41] Department storm water relocation. Mr.

[1:47:43] Huninger, go right ahead.

[1:47:47] >> All right. So, um,

[1:47:52] just so you know, I did talk to, uh, the

[1:47:54] storm water committee about what I'm

[1:47:55] about to present tonight. Uh, and they,

[1:47:58] uh, they recommended moving forward, uh,

[1:48:01] with my request. So, just give you a

[1:48:04] rundown one more time in case uh,

[1:48:06] somebody audience doesn't know what's

[1:48:09] going on here. U,, so you got the

[1:48:12] property of Stalin's Fire Department

[1:48:13] along road and that's basically what it

[1:48:15] looks like.

[1:48:17] You got a you got a rideway that was

[1:48:20] bought by the NC DOT to do the old mower

[1:48:22] widening and so they purchased this. So

[1:48:26] that impacts their dried attention which

[1:48:28] is in the green area. So uh they came to

[1:48:31] the town because uh you know they

[1:48:33] haven't they don't have any experience

[1:48:34] you know you know trying to get this

[1:48:37] thing moved uh contractwise or anything

[1:48:40] else. Um so um we uh the DOT did give

[1:48:46] them a certain amount of money to uh

[1:48:48] move the dry pond back to the back. We

[1:48:51] have uh as a as a staff has have

[1:48:54] recommended that we do not just uh

[1:48:57] remove replace the dry pond. We want to

[1:49:00] get this site back in compliance. Um and

[1:49:03] that would be to put a water quality

[1:49:05] feature back there. And so, uh, our

[1:49:08] consultant that that we hired, uh, that

[1:49:11] the the fire department is paying, um,

[1:49:14] basically, uh, designed a wet pond back

[1:49:16] there.

[1:49:18] And it's because, as you can see all

[1:49:20] that impervious on the screen. Um, uh,

[1:49:23] the fire department when it was first

[1:49:25] built was the building structure itself

[1:49:27] and then the front parking area. And

[1:49:29] then they had a little bit of park uh,

[1:49:30] asphalt in the back for the trucks to

[1:49:32] obviously drive around the building. But

[1:49:34] all that parking at the that you see at

[1:49:37] the back here

[1:49:39] uh basically was built due to the fact

[1:49:42] this is a place you go and cast your

[1:49:44] votes. So they need the parking area to

[1:49:46] have somebody to park back there. Um and

[1:49:49] so that got added. I don't know when. Um

[1:49:53] but again that's not being captured by

[1:49:55] any kind of a storm water uh facility.

[1:49:58] Uh and so it needs to come back into

[1:50:00] compliance. So um so I've talked to

[1:50:03] them. We um

[1:50:05] we did put a little bit of design funds

[1:50:08] uh together. It was about $7,000 storm

[1:50:11] funds uh that uh I did go to the

[1:50:14] committee for and and we just approved

[1:50:15] as staff because it was a low amount. Uh

[1:50:17] so we did uh add a little bit of design

[1:50:20] funds to get that water quality designed

[1:50:23] feature design. But that's the reason

[1:50:24] why we we need to put this back in

[1:50:26] compliance in our stormwater permit our

[1:50:28] MS4 permitting. It really encourages

[1:50:31] retro, we call it retrofitting a uh uh

[1:50:34] property. And so being this is a

[1:50:36] government facility, we think this is uh

[1:50:39] this be our first one, but we think it's

[1:50:40] a good idea to spend $200 to help uh

[1:50:43] this uh property get back in compliance

[1:50:46] because technically they didn't have to

[1:50:48] do this. I mean, they all they needed to

[1:50:50] do was because our grandfather didn't is

[1:50:51] move that dry pond and we feel like

[1:50:53] that's not um a good a permanent

[1:50:56] solution.

[1:50:58] So where we at right now is we have full

[1:51:01] design plans completed. We have an

[1:51:02] engineer estimate that was completed

[1:51:04] that has been uh shared to the um sen

[1:51:07] fire department fire chief. Um

[1:51:11] uh obviously all that impervious I just

[1:51:14] showed you all that parking lot area the fire department does want to uh

[1:51:18] rehab all the asphalt. So that is wasn't

[1:51:21] part of this scope. You know obviously

[1:51:22] DOT is not paying for all that based on

[1:51:24] the rideway acquisition. So, they've got

[1:51:26] to come up with those funds. So, that's

[1:51:28] what they're doing right now is they're

[1:51:30] going back to the county and trying to

[1:51:32] get more funds for the project. Um, they

[1:51:35] feel like they can get those fairly

[1:51:37] soon. So, we're tenatively going to

[1:51:39] advertise this in September if they can

[1:51:41] get those funds. If not, it'll just get

[1:51:43] delayed till, you know, whenever. Um,

[1:51:47] but we we still are trying to get this

[1:51:49] thing bid out as soon as we can to go

[1:51:50] ahead and get the process start because

[1:51:52] we we do know road is finally coming

[1:51:55] soon.

[1:51:57] Um,

[1:51:59] and then there's obviously a little bit

[1:52:01] more a little bit of material testing.

[1:52:03] Um, so we we have a called one of our

[1:52:06] consultant we've used in the past. It's

[1:52:07] very small amount but there will be a

[1:52:09] little bit of testing that need to be done.

[1:52:12] So DOT basically gave them $38,816

[1:52:17] to move this pond. And obviously to move

[1:52:20] it, you had to redo some of the storm

[1:52:23] water pipe mean, you know, all the

[1:52:24] parking lots drained towards open road.

[1:52:26] Now it's got to drain to the back. So

[1:52:27] you got to reverse all of it. So all

[1:52:29] that's included in the 308. Uh the

[1:52:31] design obviously taken some of that. Um

[1:52:35] so right now that that's a total of 358

[1:52:38] because again they're going to need

[1:52:40] every bit of 308. So, they knew the 49

[1:52:42] was going to be extra

[1:52:44] and they're basically in charge of all

[1:52:46] the overages. Uh, again, we're going to

[1:52:48] help them out with some storm funds, but

[1:52:50] that's that's it as far as that goes.

[1:52:52] So, just wanted to give you a clo more

[1:52:55] closeup what I was talking about with

[1:52:56] the imper the impervious. Again, that's

[1:52:58] all new asphalt back there. So, it's a

[1:53:00] very big area u that they want to

[1:53:02] improve. So, that's a big number they've

[1:53:04] got to go get. And so

[1:53:07] now again, we gave them seven grand to

[1:53:11] uh to design the water quality feature.

[1:53:13] Um but now they've got to go back and

[1:53:15] get our total in engineers estimate with

[1:53:18] everything included 750,000.

[1:53:21] Um uh the uh their total would be the

[1:53:26] 259 plus the parking lot. And to convert

[1:53:30] that to make that a water quality, we

[1:53:32] basically we took several line items

[1:53:33] that are considered water quality line

[1:53:35] items like your your plantings

[1:53:38] um uh some of the vegetation

[1:53:41] um and and uh for instance a trash rack

[1:53:45] uh appearance uh you know items for the

[1:53:48] structure stuff like that that ends up

[1:53:49] being around 92 and again that's an

[1:53:51] engineer's estimate. I haven't bid it

[1:53:53] out yet. Don't know what the total

[1:53:54] number is going to be but needed funds

[1:53:56] for the county. They need to go back and

[1:53:58] get 397,000 to make this work. But what

[1:54:01] I'm asking the town to do, uh, the

[1:54:04] council is approved using, uh, not to

[1:54:06] exceed $100,000 of storm water funds uh,

[1:54:09] to help build the, uh, water quality

[1:54:11] pond.

[1:54:13] And I'll be happy to answer any

[1:54:14] questions.

[1:54:16] >> Question.

[1:54:17] >> Yeah. So, they need 397.

[1:54:20] >> They need 397. Not well, not including

[1:54:22] our stuff. That's all them. And there

[1:54:25] they will they be able to get that

[1:54:27] money.

[1:54:27] >> I'm been told that shouldn't be a

[1:54:30] problem.

[1:54:30] >> Okay.

[1:54:32] >> I think if anything,

[1:54:35] you know, the asphalt parking lot won't

[1:54:36] get won't happen. But the obviously I

[1:54:38] think getting the that's that's about

[1:54:40] 150 something thousand just to do the

[1:54:42] asphalt.

[1:54:42] >> Yeah.

[1:54:43] >> So he they've got at least get 160

[1:54:45] $170,000. I

[1:54:46] >> mean we we I'm I'm fully supported. We

[1:54:48] love we love our firemen, right? They

[1:54:51] do, you know, first responders. to do um

[1:54:54] service when hopefully there's not a

[1:54:56] fire, but if there is and it's also a

[1:54:58] place where a lot of people go to vote

[1:54:59] to as well. It's a very big polling

[1:55:00] place.

[1:55:00] >> Yeah, it's it's a lot of parking back.

[1:55:02] So, um I'm sure it gets used uh

[1:55:05] seasonally.

[1:55:07] >> I have a question. Um

[1:55:09] >> Yes, sir.

[1:55:10] >> Since the um DOT, I guess, to took part

[1:55:14] of that land, correct? Correct. And this

[1:55:16] is a reason why we're doing it.

[1:55:18] >> Yes. Uh, do you know how much money the

[1:55:20] fire department received for that for

[1:55:22] that land?

[1:55:23] >> That was that 308

[1:55:24] >> as a 308. So, so

[1:55:27] out of that 375 that they need, am I

[1:55:30] understanding that right? 308 of it.

[1:55:32] >> Yeah. 750 total, they've got basically

[1:55:36] 308 to play with and they need more.

[1:55:38] They need the difference now.

[1:55:39] >> Okay. Yeah.

[1:55:40] >> I just wanted to make sure I knew I

[1:55:42] understood what Yeah. Yeah. No.

[1:55:44] >> Okay. Okay.

[1:55:45] >> All right. Can I get a motion?

[1:55:51] » I would like to make a motion to approve

[1:55:54] the request for using the additional

[1:55:56] $100,000

[1:55:58] of stormwater funds for construction

[1:56:00] costs for the Stalins Fire Department

[1:56:02] storm water recloation

[1:56:04] project as presented.

[1:56:06] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[1:56:08] >> All right. Thank you, Mayor Council.

[1:56:10] >> Thank you.

[1:56:12] >> Okay.

[1:56:16] All right. So, we're going to move on to

[1:56:18] uh

[1:56:20] budget amendments. Excuse me. Economic

[1:56:23] development agreement. I'm sorry.

[1:56:28] I I had skipped to the next one

[1:56:30] in my mind. So, yes, we are on the

[1:56:33] economic our economic development for

[1:56:35] the Indian Trail Waterline. Um, so

[1:56:38] council back in March of this year uh

[1:56:42] directed myself and and the team to work

[1:56:46] on an agreement with Indian Trail Town

[1:56:50] Center LLC for not for an amount not to

[1:56:54] exceed half a million dollars. Uh we

[1:56:56] have worked with uh Melanie, gotten that

[1:57:00] agreement drafted. It uh went to Taipar.

[1:57:04] They were good with it. It's come back

[1:57:05] to us. So now we are here tonight to uh

[1:57:08] ratify that agreement. Also with that is

[1:57:12] the budget amendments that it'll take to

[1:57:14] do that. Um

[1:57:17] it is my recommendation to in this

[1:57:20] year's budget. We allotted $200,000 for

[1:57:24] economic development to use that. And in

[1:57:26] the past y'all have put aside and saved

[1:57:29] out of past budgets an amount of

[1:57:32] $320,000

[1:57:33] for economic development. So, take 300

[1:57:36] of that, the 200 of this year's budget,

[1:57:38] adds up to 500 to be able to fund that.

[1:57:41] Um, leaving in that, let's call it the

[1:57:45] economic development savings account.

[1:57:47] Again, I'm not using a budgetary term.

[1:57:50] I'm using just a a general term would

[1:57:52] still be about $20,000 sitting there for

[1:57:55] future projects that council wanted to

[1:57:58] do incentives for. Remember, this

[1:58:00] doesn't mean that council does not have

[1:58:01] money to do incentives. You would just

[1:58:03] have to do budget amendments from

[1:58:05] unassigned fund balance to move that

[1:58:07] money in the future if you wanted to

[1:58:10] >> explain very well.

[1:58:12] >> So, uh, can I get a motion?

[1:58:14] >> Well, before you do so, I I just want to

[1:58:16] say something. I I was part of the the

[1:58:18] original council that approved this and

[1:58:23] for some reason it wasn't I don't know

[1:58:25] what the reason is. Um, it it it wasn't

[1:58:28] enacted upon and that we're back here

[1:58:30] again voting on this. So Melanie based

[1:58:32] on this this is executable that we don't

[1:58:34] have to come back again that's a

[1:58:36] clarifying question

[1:58:40] >> once taipar

[1:58:41] >> once the party agrees

[1:58:43] >> correct correct I think the issue last

[1:58:45] time it was a three-party agreement and

[1:58:48] the county never executed it

[1:58:49] >> all right okay thank you sorry may I

[1:58:51] just wanted to clarify that

[1:58:53] >> all right

[1:58:54] >> uh one thing I probably should have said

[1:58:55] is the um the funds aren't due to taipar

[1:58:59] until after the line is in the ground

[1:59:01] and fully operational and approved by

[1:59:03] the county. Um, so there the asset will

[1:59:07] be in place before any funds are given

[1:59:11] over to uh the developer.

[1:59:14] >> Well, maybe I shouldn't ask this

[1:59:15] question, but did the county pay it into

[1:59:18] or do we know or do we

[1:59:19] >> No,

[1:59:20] >> they did not.

[1:59:21] >> That's why we're making a new agreement

[1:59:24] that does not include the county as the

[1:59:26] old one did.

[1:59:27] >> Gotcha. Well, I was afraid of that, but

[1:59:29] Okay. All right. So, tap. So, they have

[1:59:32] to eat that. Is that basically what's happening there?

[1:59:36] >> All All litigation monitor, too.

[1:59:38] >> Okay. All right. Well, I'm glad to see

[1:59:41] Indian Trail step up and doing what they need to do. Um All

[1:59:44] right. Now, can I get a can I get a

[1:59:47] motion?

[1:59:47] >> I'll make a motion to approve the

[1:59:49] request for you. Oh, I'm sorry, wrong

[1:59:51] one. Make approve make a motion to

[1:59:54] approve the economic development

[1:59:56] incentive agreement as presented by Mr.

[1:59:58] Mlam. All in favor? Unanimous.

[2:00:02] >> I'll make a motion to approve the

[2:00:03] accompanying bud budgets amendments as

[2:00:06] presented.

[2:00:08] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[2:00:10] >> And then I'll make a motion to approve

[2:00:12] the accompanying journal entry as

[2:00:14] presented.

[2:00:15] >> All in favor? Unanimous.

[2:00:20] Very good. Thank you. Um, this brings us

[2:00:23] up to CRTPO delegate and alternate

[2:00:26] minutes correction. Miss Sims, Mr.

[2:00:28] Mclam.

[2:00:30] >> So, from time to time, uh, when we're

[2:00:32] putting together minutes, we may reverse

[2:00:35] something in the minutes or things like

[2:00:37] that. Um, working with Melanie, if that

[2:00:40] happens, there are general statutes that

[2:00:42] allow us to update those, but you have

[2:00:45] to have clear and concise information to

[2:00:47] be able to do that. Because our minutes

[2:00:50] uh because our meetings are on YouTube,

[2:00:52] we have that information. So, uh, to do

[2:00:55] this, what we're going to do is show a

[2:00:56] very short, it's a minute and 20

[2:00:59] seconds, if that, uh, clip from the

[2:01:02] meeting that this took place at, and

[2:01:04] then we would ask for council to make a

[2:01:06] motion to update the minutes to what

[2:01:09] happened at the meeting. So, this is the short clip of the meeting.

[2:01:14] >> Okay. Next is the uh, CRTPO, Charlotte

[2:01:17] Regional Transportation Planning

[2:01:18] Organization, and um, I need a

[2:01:21] nomination. Uh, I think I know who has

[2:01:24] done a fantastic job with it. And uh,

[2:01:27] who would like to nominate Clarence? Oh.

[2:01:31] >> Huh? Would you?

[2:01:36] » All in favor?

[2:01:38] Unanimous.

[2:01:40] All right. Alternate delegate.

[2:01:44] Clarence, would you like to

[2:01:46] >> like to nominate Mayor Con?

[2:01:49] >> All in favor?

[2:01:51] unanimous.

[2:01:53] >> So, the way that we wrote the minutes

[2:01:55] was that uh the way that the minutes

[2:01:58] were written and approved was that Mayor

[2:02:01] Conn was the primary delegate and

[2:02:05] council member Oscar Brooks was the

[2:02:08] alternate delegate, but as you can see

[2:02:10] through the recording, it was actually

[2:02:12] the exact opposite. So, all we're

[2:02:14] looking for is uh approval to update the

[2:02:18] minutes.

[2:02:21] » I I can make that motion for you if you

[2:02:23] want, mayor.

[2:02:24] >> Sure. Go ahead.

[2:02:25] >> Yeah. I'll make a motion to approve the

[2:02:27] correction of the December 9th, 2025

[2:02:31] meeting reflecting council member Als

[2:02:33] Brooks, Clarence Als Brooks as the

[2:02:36] primary delegate and the mayor, Mr.

[2:02:39] David Cohen as the alternate delegate of

[2:02:43] CRTPO as presented.

[2:02:45] >> Uh, all in favor? Unanimous.

[2:02:48] >> Thank you.

[2:02:52] >> I just want to quickly say that um

[2:02:56] Clarence had been the uh the primary

[2:02:59] delegate for quite some time. Uh, and

[2:03:03] then of course we we did, but

[2:03:07] it it did get put on social media by a

[2:03:12] council person who actually voted for

[2:03:14] it, voted in this and and said that

[2:03:19] um that that was incorrect that he went

[2:03:21] by the minutes even though he knew

[2:03:23] better. So anyway, I'm not going I'm not

[2:03:26] going to divulge in that. It's just kind

[2:03:28] of a sad situation. But let's move on to

[2:03:31] uh new business CRTPO call for projects.

[2:03:36] Mr. Huninger.

[2:03:49] All right. So, um

[2:03:52] uh talk to talk to Adam about this and

[2:03:55] uh try to get a sense of, you know, what

[2:03:57] projects could we submit? uh this fall

[2:04:00] call again uh if you don't recall I

[2:04:03] talked a little bit about this

[2:04:04] previously uh but they you've got a a

[2:04:07] significant amount of money um uh for

[2:04:10] this fall call usually it's only around

[2:04:12] 30 million and there are a little bit

[2:04:14] over 50 uh due to not being not using uh

[2:04:18] some monies uh in the pre previous

[2:04:22] uh iterations. So, um I think it's a

[2:04:25] it's an opportunity to at least um you

[2:04:28] know, at least submit at least one

[2:04:29] project. If we don't do two, we're going

[2:04:31] to I'm going to show you two projects

[2:04:32] tonight, but again, if we can at least

[2:04:35] do one of them, I think would be a good

[2:04:36] idea, uh just because there's

[2:04:38] opportunity there. And I think you're

[2:04:40] going to get a lot of applicants, so

[2:04:41] it's probably going to be a tough um a

[2:04:44] tough application process uh to get

[2:04:46] award funding, but I think we ought to

[2:04:48] take a a shot at it. So, uh, two

[2:04:51] projects tonight like to talk about is

[2:04:53] Chestnut Lane Potter Road intersection

[2:04:55] improvements. That's one of the

[2:04:56] intersections in our, uh, transportation

[2:04:58] master plan and Price Mil Creek

[2:05:02] Greenway.

[2:05:04] All right. So, uh, if you go to your the

[2:05:07] transportation master plan, that

[2:05:08] basically this is the drawing you'll see

[2:05:10] u, uh, in the main body of the document

[2:05:12] and the appendixes. Um, so

[2:05:16] what what the uh suggestions or

[2:05:18] recommendations were was to basically uh

[2:05:21] add uh two right turn lane movements on

[2:05:24] and I'll I'll zoom in here in a minute

[2:05:26] on two legs of the intersections and

[2:05:28] then extend uh left turn lanes on the

[2:05:31] other sections and then basically

[2:05:34] improves all pedestrian uh uh uh safety

[2:05:38] features like the curb ramps, the ped uh

[2:05:41] push buttons

[2:05:43] But right now there's no crosswalks out

[2:05:45] there right now. There's it's all the

[2:05:46] striping is kind of gone. Um and so and

[2:05:50] then add

[2:05:51] a sidewalk that's missing uh at in the

[2:05:54] Stalin section.

[2:05:57] So if you look at it, uh so it would be

[2:06:00] this right turn lane would be a brand

[2:06:01] new lane. Right now it's a straight

[2:06:03] right combo. you would build a brand new

[2:06:06] right turn lane uh coming up from the

[2:06:09] neighborhoods on the east side or west

[2:06:11] side of the town going to eastly

[2:06:14] um you would add a right turn lane right

[2:06:16] now that's a straight right and then you

[2:06:18] would extend the left turn lane along

[2:06:20] Potter going north

[2:06:23] um and then the left turn lane

[2:06:26] uh I believe I didn't highlight it but I

[2:06:29] believe that's on Potter going south you

[2:06:31] would extend that left turn lane a

[2:06:32] little bit as well

[2:06:34] uh And then again do improvements. Um

[2:06:37] refle reflectivity markings. Uh all

[2:06:41] these curb ramps need to be updated. Uh

[2:06:44] and then add that go if you go back to

[2:06:46] the other drawing. This section of

[2:06:48] sidewalk here is is not there on the uh

[2:06:52] this is the Indian parcel but it's

[2:06:54] basically Stalin's uh you know

[2:06:56] subdivisions that need to be connected

[2:06:57] back to this intersection. Um, so I we

[2:07:01] pic I picked this one or suggested this

[2:07:03] to Adam because uh we're going to come

[2:07:05] to y y'all in September with pro with

[2:07:09] suggestion to do a joint venture with

[2:07:11] Stalins's to uh connect the sidewalk on

[2:07:14] Chestnut on the west side of town uh

[2:07:18] where the new subdivision have been

[2:07:20] built uh west of Kenwood South if y'all

[2:07:22] know that area. there's uh missing

[2:07:24] sidewalk connections and they would like

[2:07:27] the uh us to partner with them that you

[2:07:29] know Chestnut Lane in that area is a

[2:07:32] mixed bag of Stalins and Indian parcels.

[2:07:36] So would like to extend that sidewalk

[2:07:38] all the way to Weddington Road. Is that correct? Weddington Road. Yeah.

[2:07:43] So, I think if we're going to do that,

[2:07:46] if y'all decide to do that, then I think

[2:07:48] it's a good idea to go ahead and get

[2:07:49] this started in the process. Again,

[2:07:53] you're talking about if we would get

[2:07:56] approved in 2026, we wouldn't be able to

[2:07:58] do design till 2029. So, it would be a

[2:08:03] long ways away. Um, but again, you would

[2:08:06] be able to at least start the process of

[2:08:08] getting this updated. So I thought just

[2:08:11] be being that it's not um uh moneywise

[2:08:15] it's a few million

[2:08:19] because just those turn lanes that's

[2:08:21] pretty much what's you're eating the

[2:08:22] money. Uh but if we can get a 8020 split

[2:08:25] it would be a little over half million

[2:08:26] to the town to be to spend. Again, you

[2:08:29] would have several years from 29 all the

[2:08:32] way to 2031

[2:08:34] 32

[2:08:36] u to uh spend out that money and then

[2:08:38] get reimbursement for it. So

[2:08:41] anyway, and then the next one is Price

[2:08:44] Mil Creek Greenway. U this this project

[2:08:47] is actually in the priorit

[2:08:49] prioritization 8. U that's a process of

[2:08:52] trying to get projects into the step.

[2:08:55] And so they've um they've started that

[2:08:57] process. Right now it has been ranked.

[2:09:00] It is not ranked very well. Uh we do

[2:09:02] have two projects uh in the pedestrian

[2:09:05] what they call it non-highway group.

[2:09:08] It's this project and our sidewalk

[2:09:09] connections project. And if you don't if

[2:09:11] you don't recall that that's all our gap

[2:09:13] connections. We have like eight to nine

[2:09:16] streets that we combined all together.

[2:09:19] that actually got ranked high out of 40

[2:09:22] non-highway projects in P8. Uh that is

[2:09:26] number seven. So I feel like that's got

[2:09:28] a a great shot of getting to the step.

[2:09:31] So um I wouldn't mess with that right

[2:09:34] now, but Price Mill is in the middle of

[2:09:36] the road, lower half. It's just it's

[2:09:38] been sitting there, Lord knows since me

[2:09:41] and Adam been here. Um and so it's just

[2:09:43] never going to get funded through that

[2:09:45] process.

[2:09:46] I think it's an ideal candidate greenway

[2:09:49] wise because again road is coming. I

[2:09:51] know some people don't think that but it

[2:09:53] is coming and you're going to have a

[2:09:55] 10ft multi-use path on that side road

[2:09:57] that this greenway will connect to. And

[2:09:59] as you can see it's going to connect you

[2:10:02] know six subdivisions um u well six

[2:10:07] subdivision have opportunities to get to

[2:10:09] that greenway. Some of them going to

[2:10:10] have to walk a little longer than

[2:10:11] others, but it it's to me going to get

[2:10:14] used more probably most more than most

[2:10:16] greenways we've got planned in the

[2:10:17] future. Um, and again, we've got

[2:10:21] uh it's one one and a half miles and if

[2:10:23] you look at the drawn county parcels, we

[2:10:27] already own about 80% of the property

[2:10:29] already that we don't even have to pay

[2:10:30] for. Um, so that's a savings in itself.

[2:10:34] Uh, we don't have to go back and buy

[2:10:36] that permanent easement from these

[2:10:38] folks. we would just have to deal with

[2:10:40] heritage subdivision which I think they

[2:10:42] would welcome uh that connection. Um and

[2:10:47] then we se several parcels right there

[2:10:49] uh along road where we have already part

[2:10:52] property.

[2:10:54] So again uh think it's a ideal candidate

[2:10:57] uh to move forward with if you would

[2:10:59] like. Um this is a big number because we

[2:11:03] use DO's estimating tool. Uh, so I

[2:11:07] haven't really had chance to really

[2:11:08] break down the cost. I don't think it's

[2:11:11] going to cost $4.7 million, but again,

[2:11:14] that's what the the the program spit

[2:11:17] out. Um, so that would obviously at 8020

[2:11:21] split that would be a million dollars

[2:11:23] we'd be on the hook for, which again, I

[2:11:25] don't think it's going to cost that much

[2:11:26] to build. Um, if we act sooner rather

[2:11:31] than later.

[2:11:32] and I'll be happy to ask answer any

[2:11:34] questions about those two projects.

[2:11:37] >> Do you recommend you act a little

[2:11:39] hesitant about doing both projects?

[2:11:42] >> No, I just um No, I don't have a

[2:11:44] hesitency, but uh I mean I I wanted to

[2:11:46] be transparent the fact that you know

[2:11:48] there's there's only three intersections

[2:11:50] we have in a master plan. We we already

[2:11:52] got one starting like we're going to

[2:11:53] start doing design for Stinson Hardest

[2:11:55] Yroview.

[2:11:58] So there's only two left. It's that one

[2:12:00] and Fate Church in Unionville. Faith

[2:12:01] Church is pretty high costwise.

[2:12:04] Um, but I picked again picked this one

[2:12:07] because

[2:12:08] I would think not, you know, I'm not

[2:12:11] making a decision for y'all, but I would

[2:12:12] think the partnership with Stalins to do

[2:12:13] that sidewalk connection is probably a

[2:12:15] good project to to move forward with.

[2:12:17] And if you're going to do that, then,

[2:12:19] you know, why not try to improve this

[2:12:20] intersection? It's it doesn't fail right

[2:12:23] now. It's fine right now, but we we do

[2:12:26] forecast the 2050. it will fail in 2050

[2:12:29] and that's crash ratio data and

[2:12:32] everything. It's going to fail. Um you

[2:12:35] have about 25 crashes a year at the

[2:12:37] intersection. We did look at, you know,

[2:12:41] uh redoing the intersection to a

[2:12:42] roundabout to an RCI intersection. It

[2:12:45] just it doesn't work because Potter has

[2:12:47] more um more volume and it's only a

[2:12:50] two-lane road um than Chestnut does. So

[2:12:54] that that

[2:12:56] uh misbalance with the traffic uh is not

[2:12:59] acceptable those types and roundabout

[2:13:01] wouldn't would fail in 2050. So you

[2:13:03] don't want to build a roundabout.

[2:13:05] >> So this is a cheaper option is build

[2:13:07] some turn lanes and and do some

[2:13:09] pedestrian improvements.

[2:13:11] >> So our recommend I mean like the

[2:13:13] recommendation from myself and the team

[2:13:16] would be to go after both projects.

[2:13:18] >> Okay.

[2:13:19] >> Yeah. I think that that speaks volumes.

[2:13:21] And if you don't have any questions or

[2:13:24] Clarence

[2:13:26] >> question um and did I understand you say

[2:13:30] uh Stalins is submitting the project

[2:13:33] also as a joint.

[2:13:34] >> No no this is Stalins um

[2:13:38] uh went to their board uh to see if they

[2:13:40] would be willing to fund it now without

[2:13:42] any help. So, they have agreed to do

[2:13:46] that and so we'll be coming to y'all to

[2:13:48] actually build a project without any

[2:13:50] help from any uh funding sources.

[2:13:52] >> That's a completely different project

[2:13:54] than the ones that we're talking about

[2:13:55] right now. These are two projects. We

[2:13:58] will come at the next council meeting

[2:14:00] with another project that is uh solely

[2:14:03] sidewalk connections and a

[2:14:07] bridge uh over the creek down there at

[2:14:11] the low point on um Chestnut. Yeah, it's a it's technically a low priority

[2:14:17] project for us in our ped plan, but

[2:14:19] since Stalins is willing to spend money

[2:14:22] to do it, to me, I think that, you know,

[2:14:25] that helps assist us in saying that, you

[2:14:27] know, uh we maybe should we should look

[2:14:30] at moving forward, you know, sooner

[2:14:31] rather than later since we are getting

[2:14:33] help with it.

[2:14:34] >> Okay, good.

[2:14:36] >> But tonight, we would need a motion to

[2:14:38] go to put both of these projects in for

[2:14:42] the fall call. Can I get a motion?

[2:14:44] >> Yeah.

[2:14:46] >> I'll make a motion to submit both of the

[2:14:49] projects presented by Mr. Huninger for

[2:14:52] the fall call for projects with CRTPO.

[2:14:56] >> All in favor unanimous.

[2:14:59] >> Thank you.

[2:15:00] >> All right. Thank you, Mayor.

[2:15:01] >> Thank you, Todd. All right. That brings

[2:15:03] us up to uh CRTPO update. I'll do on

[2:15:07] time. Sure. Also, Brooks, we're we're

[2:15:09] getting down to the nitty-gritty.

[2:15:14] You tell me to take my time.

[2:15:16] >> No, no, but no. We're We're telling you

[2:15:17] we're doing good on time. Don't mess it

[2:15:19] up.

[2:15:22] » Well, thank you, Mr. Also Brooks. Um,

[2:15:25] >> that was good.

[2:15:26] >> Councilman McIntyre would say Also

[2:15:28] Brooks. Clarence also Brooks.

[2:15:30] All right.

[2:15:34] Ready? All right. So, kind of catch up

[2:15:37] what's going on here on Monday, May

[2:15:40] 11th. The city of Charlotte voted six to

[2:15:43] five to resend the support for the

[2:15:45] current I77 South Express lanes.

[2:15:49] From what I was told, it was kind of a

[2:15:51] spare of the moment thing that they

[2:15:53] didn't really know what was going to

[2:15:54] happen. They had one council member that

[2:15:56] wasn't really sure which way they were

[2:15:58] going to lean, but the final result was

[2:16:00] a six to five. So, with that said, at

[2:16:04] the May CRTPO meeting, the mayor of

[2:16:06] Matthews made a motion for CRTPO's board

[2:16:08] to vote to follow Charlotte's footsteps

[2:16:11] and receing its support for the I77

[2:16:13] South Lane project. Um, now this item

[2:16:17] wasn't on our agenda for the main

[2:16:19] meeting, so it needed a uh supermajority

[2:16:22] to pass. With that said, Charlotte, we

[2:16:25] have a weighted vote and Charlotte

[2:16:27] carries 40 votes. The motion pass with

[2:16:29] the supermajority.

[2:16:33] Are you advanced? Okay, there you go.

[2:16:35] Thank you. So, no, go ahead. You're

[2:16:39] doing a good job. Um, so after the uh

[2:16:44] that vote was cast to resend support,

[2:16:47] then soon after that, Senator Vicky

[2:16:49] Sawya proposed language for bill Senate

[2:16:51] Bill 257. The language discussed that a

[2:16:55] reimbursement rule that would require

[2:16:57] the municipalities of the no that voted

[2:16:59] to resend it support for the I77 South

[2:17:02] Express lanes to be responsible repay NC

[2:17:05] DOT back between 6064 million for the

[2:17:09] primary the preliminary cost and I'm

[2:17:12] happy to say that Indian Trail was not

[2:17:15] part of that. Um, you know, we were not

[2:17:18] one of those municipalities. And with

[2:17:21] that said, I cast a vote that we did not

[2:17:25] rece

[2:17:30] on the agenda. I didn't have time to

[2:17:31] come back to the council to discuss

[2:17:33] anything. Um, so that was my decision at

[2:17:37] the time.

[2:17:38] >> Can I interrupt you for just one second?

[2:17:39] >> Yes, sir. I want to interrupt you and

[2:17:41] just say before you did that is Clarence

[2:17:44] did not vote with a majority, the super

[2:17:47] majority. He he voted against the super

[2:17:49] majority. Therefore, Indian Trail did

[2:17:53] not owe millions of dollars uh to

[2:17:58] for what what this is all about. And I'm

[2:18:00] just just saying that kudos to our CRTBO

[2:18:06] rep who I know

[2:18:09] Monrose

[2:18:11] got got caught up in all that and knows

[2:18:13] a couple of million dollar or they don't

[2:18:15] act could owe a couple of million

[2:18:17] dollars along with other towns. And I

[2:18:20] just just wanted it to be known that you did the right thing that you

[2:18:24] didn't join you didn't join the super

[2:18:26] majority. you didn't you didn't uh vote

[2:18:30] for an item that wasn't on the agenda

[2:18:32] that they put on the agenda and rush

[2:18:34] through and I'm just going to say good

[2:18:36] job and go on.

[2:18:37] >> Thank you. So, if we broke it down, uh

[2:18:40] what NC do is saying is they spend about

[2:18:43] $60 million to this point uh you know on

[2:18:45] this project and um excuse me and since

[2:18:50] we have a weighted vote, Indian Trail is

[2:18:52] at two votes. Uh we that's based on

[2:18:56] population. Indian Trail is at about

[2:18:58] 45,000 in population. Once Indian Trail

[2:19:01] hits 50,000 then we will receive another

[2:19:03] vote or unless something changes and

[2:19:05] then we have three votes. So what they

[2:19:07] did is they broke it down uh the 40

[2:19:10] votes of Charlotte was you know how much

[2:19:12] they would pay and then each other

[2:19:14] municipality that voted against it how

[2:19:16] much they would pay based on their vote

[2:19:18] which is based on the population. So

[2:19:22] with that said, at the July CRTPO

[2:19:24] meeting, a few municipality reps hinted

[2:19:27] that after having some discussion with

[2:19:29] their boards, they might have second

[2:19:31] thoughts about voting to resend. Um, so

[2:19:35] the motion, it was asked, the motion

[2:19:37] failed at that time, but we were advised

[2:19:40] that the money was still in step and

[2:19:42] that we could cast another vote at the

[2:19:45] September meeting. So with that said, um

[2:19:49] I want you to come back, present it to

[2:19:52] our two board members that are here now

[2:19:55] and uh see if you have any feedback. I

[2:19:57] strongly suggest that we continue the

[2:19:59] same path uh until we have more

[2:20:01] information or more information is

[2:20:02] available because uh NCA DOT was saying

[2:20:06] that they haven't presented um all their

[2:20:09] information yet. So,

[2:20:13] >> so um what whatever path you choose that

[2:20:16] we don't end up owing money is the path

[2:20:18] I said I suggest. Um, having said that,

[2:20:22] I I don't agree with that with a

[2:20:24] punitive measure, but I do think that

[2:20:26] the deliberation that you've, you know,

[2:20:28] you've engaged in has been very well

[2:20:30] serving and and I know the mayor talked

[2:20:33] about, you know, Clarence's um, uh,

[2:20:36] approach to this, but many of you didn't

[2:20:38] know Clarence was not on the town

[2:20:39] council and he was coming to every one

[2:20:42] of those CRTPO meetings because I was a

[2:20:44] representative, I think, at that time.

[2:20:47] And Clarence has taken an a very um he

[2:20:51] he's he's taken this on very seriously

[2:20:54] in that Charlotte as you know has 40

[2:20:56] votes. We have two. So Charlotte always

[2:20:59] the projects kind of this bigger city in

[2:21:02] your you know big banks and other big

[2:21:04] companies there. But in Indian Trail

[2:21:06] Clarence being there at the table

[2:21:07] attending the meetings gives us

[2:21:09] representation that Todd and his team

[2:21:11] can present projects and we can get them

[2:21:13] funded. Right. So that kudos to Clarence

[2:21:16] for really taking this on and being our

[2:21:19] primary delegate to the fact that when I

[2:21:22] was on there, I never got up here and

[2:21:23] speak. So you can see he's elevated sort

[2:21:25] of the representation and what he's

[2:21:27] bringing back to the to the council and

[2:21:29] to the residents. So kudos to you,

[2:21:30] Clarence. But whatever path you choose

[2:21:33] that make sure we don't we don't pay but

[2:21:35] we get money, I'm I'm all right with it.

[2:21:38] >> Thank you.

[2:21:41] >> I second everything he just said. But

[2:21:43] no, honestly, you've you've obviously

[2:21:45] made a good decision whenever you were

[2:21:47] put under the pressure and I I fully

[2:21:50] support what you do.

[2:21:52] >> Thank you. I appreciate that.

[2:21:54] >> Well, again, with that said, um

[2:21:58] I have not done this on my own. I've

[2:22:01] been supported and coached and mentored

[2:22:05] by, you know, various people. I

[2:22:07] appreciate that. The mayor himself, the

[2:22:09] mayor is the alternate. the mayor and I

[2:22:11] actually we still have discussions.

[2:22:13] He'll call me, he gets the agenda, he'll

[2:22:15] call me about things that are going on

[2:22:18] in CRTPO and we have that discussion and

[2:22:21] so I try my best to make sure that I

[2:22:24] don't go up there and say what Clarence

[2:22:26] wants to say. So, um it is something

[2:22:29] that I still continuously have

[2:22:31] conversation and I did sent to the town

[2:22:34] manager an email to send out to all the

[2:22:36] council so that the council could have

[2:22:38] feedback as well. So, all right. No

[2:22:41] other questions or comments?

[2:22:44] All right. Well, we'll keep it going

[2:22:45] then. Thank you.

[2:22:46] >> Hang on. There's one other thing that

[2:22:48] you had asked. Can you pull up that

[2:22:50] picture?

[2:22:51] >> Oh, okay. Actually, I do have a So,

[2:22:55] um, yes, we what we did, we have some

[2:22:59] citizens here, concerned citizens, and

[2:23:01] we got a phone call from a citizen that

[2:23:04] had some questions about their road and

[2:23:07] paving, and uh, thought it was a good

[2:23:08] idea to get Phelix, who's the uh,

[2:23:11] engineer up there from or we got some NC

[2:23:15] DOT uh, reps up there, the mayor, Todd

[2:23:18] Huntinger, town manager, and myself. and

[2:23:21] we asked them to come down so that we

[2:23:22] can um so that they can see the

[2:23:26] conditions of some of the roads in

[2:23:28] Indian trail and put eyes on it to u so

[2:23:30] that we can have a more in-depth

[2:23:33] conversation of the streets and the

[2:23:35] traffic in Indian trail. So, and I also

[2:23:40] I should have started a presentation

[2:23:42] with this, but I would like to do a did

[2:23:45] you know on my presentation and I have a

[2:23:48] question. So, this is more of a question

[2:23:50] cuz I don't know. So, if you know that's

[2:23:52] good or what do you call someone who

[2:23:54] lives in Indian Trail? So,

[2:23:56] >> I call him an Indian trailian.

[2:23:58] >> That's what you call him.

[2:23:59] >> That's what I call him. But I mean, I

[2:24:01] don't know.

[2:24:01] >> I think we need an official. I'm not

[2:24:03] going to tell you what my wife calls me

[2:24:05] sometimes. And it's not necessarily

[2:24:06] Indian trilian, but no, she's I'm

[2:24:09] kidding.

[2:24:09] >> But do you call her?

[2:24:11] >> You know, being born born and raised, we

[2:24:14] never never we we stuck more with

[2:24:17] Spartans. We were we were proud to be

[2:24:18] Sun Valley people. So we we never had

[2:24:22] anything to do as far as Indian trail

[2:24:24] goes. Again, Indian Trail was much

[2:24:26] smaller. It was about all the state

[2:24:28] chumps lived on in Sun Valley.

[2:24:29] >> You got that right. You got that right.

[2:24:31] Um, but no, I I throw that question out

[2:24:34] to the community and I would like if

[2:24:36] anyone has any uh there's people been

[2:24:39] here longer than me, but or if anybody

[2:24:41] has any suggestions, I would like to

[2:24:44] know. So that's the do you know what

[2:24:47] just good people call them that or and just to

[2:24:52] I think we ought to work on a flag for

[2:24:54] Indian Trail. I' I'd like to have our

[2:24:55] own flag, but that's don't we won't get

[2:24:57] in that discussion. Just something to

[2:24:58] think about. We'll call them good people

[2:25:00] that love their council and love to

[2:25:01] support their council. Everything they

[2:25:03] do, that's what we'll call them. Thank

[2:25:05] you. I appreciate it.

[2:25:06] >> Thank you, Clarence.

[2:25:09] >> You're welcome.

[2:25:10] >> All right, this brings us up to the

[2:25:11] manager report.

[2:25:13] >> Mr. Mclam,

[2:25:14] >> I'll be short tonight. Just two things.

[2:25:16] Uh first one is Todd and his team got

[2:25:19] authorization to uh rideaway

[2:25:21] authorization today for

[2:25:24] uh highway 74 mixeduse path and greenway

[2:25:29] from NC do. So we will start moving

[2:25:32] forward on the rightway that we need for

[2:25:33] that project to keep it moving forward.

[2:25:36] Uh and the last one I will we are not

[2:25:39] going to sing but I will say happy

[2:25:41] birthday to Miss Trina. It is her

[2:25:43] birthday today. So

[2:25:46] Well, I'll sing. No, I'm kidding. Just kidding. I wouldn't put

[2:25:51] you through that on your birthday. Thank

[2:25:53] you, Adam. Very, very good. Very good

[2:25:55] job tonight on all all that was

[2:25:58] explained. Brings us to council member

[2:26:00] comments.

[2:26:01] >> Council member McIntyre.

[2:26:02] >> All right, let's go. Let's make it

[2:26:03] quick. Um,

[2:26:06] before I close tonight, I want to

[2:26:08] reflect on something special that

[2:26:09] happened in our community today. Um, we

[2:26:11] had the privilege of unveiling the

[2:26:13] street in honor of Mr. Jerham Sutton.

[2:26:17] Mr. Sutton means a great deal to this

[2:26:18] community and recognizing him reminds us

[2:26:21] of the lasting impact one person can

[2:26:24] have through service to others. I also

[2:26:28] want to thank Miss Bhalik for her

[2:26:30] continued efforts with adopt cot.

[2:26:33] Supporting the men and women who serve

[2:26:34] and protect our community matters and we

[2:26:37] appreciate her commitment. And while

[2:26:39] we're talking about service, I'll say

[2:26:41] this. Public service requires courage.

[2:26:44] Leadership is not about showing up only

[2:26:46] when decisions are easy or the votes are

[2:26:48] comfortable. The people elect us to show

[2:26:51] up, take a position, cast the difficult

[2:26:53] votes, and be accountable to them. When

[2:26:57] the moment gets uncomfortable, that is

[2:26:59] precisely when leadership matters most.

[2:27:02] Avoiding a difficult decision does not

[2:27:04] make the responsibility disappear.

[2:27:07] In that same spirit of responsibility

[2:27:09] and service that's going to carry on

[2:27:12] into our schools as the new year begins.

[2:27:15] My wife and I, one of our sons starts

[2:27:17] his college journey on Thursday. And we

[2:27:20] are incredibly proud of him. Of course,

[2:27:23] there's one small benefit. His room is

[2:27:27] going to officially become my new gym. I

[2:27:30] also wish Mr. Mlam and Miss and Mrs. Cox

[2:27:35] and their families the very best as

[2:27:36] their children begin their college

[2:27:38] journeys as well. To all of our students

[2:27:40] returning to elementary, middle, high

[2:27:42] school, college, I wish you a safe and

[2:27:45] successful year. And to our teachers,

[2:27:47] educators, administrators, school

[2:27:49] resource officers, crossing guards,

[2:27:51] cafeteria workers, coaches, and support

[2:27:53] staff. Thank you. Um my mother worked in

[2:27:56] education for aboutif

[2:28:02] um working in education is more than a

[2:28:04] job. It's a vocation. We know they do

[2:28:06] not pay the teachers and and everybody

[2:28:09] else as much as they should but these

[2:28:11] are very important people within our

[2:28:13] community and we are very grateful for

[2:28:15] the commitment to our children.

[2:28:18] Um,

[2:28:19] I want to thank each and every one of

[2:28:21] you for here tonight for putting up

[2:28:23] profess for listening to the questions

[2:28:24] that I asked and and and you know other

[2:28:28] um

[2:28:30] uh members of of the council asked. Um,

[2:28:32] we don't just ask this question in a

[2:28:34] vacuum. We ask them to really get

[2:28:36] information and to make informed

[2:28:37] decisions because we take this very

[2:28:39] seriously. Staff, I know it's a little

[2:28:41] bit late for you. We do appreciate all

[2:28:43] that you do. Um the good thing is we

[2:28:45] only have one month um one meeting this

[2:28:48] month before we get back to our two

[2:28:49] regular meetings. Mayor, thank you for

[2:28:51] putting up with me. But to each of you

[2:28:53] who serve and who participate, I want to

[2:28:55] say thank you to each of you. You matter

[2:28:56] a lot to the community. It's an honor to

[2:28:59] sit up here and to be able to serve you

[2:29:01] in the best that we can. And with that,

[2:29:03] I say to everybody, have a wonderful

[2:29:05] rest of the summer and have a pleasant

[2:29:07] evening.

[2:29:08] >> Council member Vholik.

[2:29:11] >> All right. Okay. See, I was going to say

[2:29:12] I'm going to take all of Marcus's time,

[2:29:15] but then he talked a lot, so I'm going

[2:29:17] to make mine short, I hope. No. Um, I

[2:29:20] wanted to kind of piggyback a little

[2:29:22] bit. Uh, the unveiling today of was it

[2:29:24] Jerome Sutton Way? Correct. Yeah.

[2:29:26] >> Um, it just felt good. It felt good to

[2:29:28] do something good for someone who meant

[2:29:30] so much. And as the cars drove by and

[2:29:32] people were honking and waving and just

[2:29:34] seeing how it put a smile on his face

[2:29:36] and I looked at him and I said, "How do

[2:29:38] I get my name, you know, up there?" And

[2:29:39] he's like, "It's not for me. for the

[2:29:41] kids and that really truly does someone

[2:29:43] that's humble. It really shows us how

[2:29:46] good the people in Indian Troll are. So,

[2:29:48] I also wanted to mention him. Um I hear

[2:29:51] congratulations are in order for someone

[2:29:54] Alicia. Um so, I wanted to say that. And

[2:29:57] then let's see. I have a whole bunch of

[2:29:59] I'm trying really hard to make this

[2:30:00] shorter. Um summer is always a little

[2:30:03] bit slower with meetings, but

[2:30:06] August starts things back up. So, I have

[2:30:08] a central line meeting tomorrow. um

[2:30:10] going back with the Chamber for Women in

[2:30:12] Business and Leadership Union coming up.

[2:30:14] So hopefully we'll get some ideas to

[2:30:16] bring back for council to maybe use in

[2:30:18] our town. And then I wanted to recognize

[2:30:20] Common Heart as they celebrated their

[2:30:22] 20th anniversary recently. Um I did get

[2:30:24] to go to that ribbon cutting which was

[2:30:26] really fun and it's really nice to see

[2:30:28] someone in our community again making

[2:30:31] such a difference. So um I already said

[2:30:34] thank you to all my adopt people. Again,

[2:30:36] thank you to the sheriff's department

[2:30:37] for keeping us safe. I know y'all are

[2:30:39] busy. Um hopefully I'll get to do a ride

[2:30:41] along soon and see how busy y'all are.

[2:30:43] Um but everybody, thank y'all for coming

[2:30:45] and have a great night.

[2:30:47] >> Council member Also Brooks,

[2:30:50] I want to say thank you to the citizens

[2:30:52] that are here tonight. Um and investing

[2:30:55] in your government, seeing how your

[2:30:56] government runs and being a part of it.

[2:30:59] Say congratulations to Miss Massie and

[2:31:01] Mr. Cobb on their promotions. Um, want

[2:31:04] to say happy birthday to Indian Trail

[2:31:06] Citizen Sherry Hammonds. Uh, this is

[2:31:10] fundraiser season. Crisis Assistance

[2:31:13] Ministries is having a fundraiser going

[2:31:15] on. I ask you to go to their website and

[2:31:17] look and feel free to donate if you feel

[2:31:19] led.

[2:31:21] Um, the Veterans Memorial out there, I

[2:31:25] want you to know that there are

[2:31:26] scholarships. If you know a veteran that

[2:31:28] needs your name out there, uh, and if a

[2:31:30] scholarship is needed, you come talk to

[2:31:32] me, um, or Mr. Patrick Oconor back

[2:31:35] there, Mr. McIntyre, uh, not to single

[2:31:39] you out, but I want to say thank you for

[2:31:41] the questions that you asked this

[2:31:43] evening. Uh, those financial questions

[2:31:45] help me and it helps me learn more

[2:31:47] things that I don't think about. So, I

[2:31:49] greatly appreciate that.

[2:31:51] Um, also to the citizens, I would

[2:31:53] encourage you to also watch the uh,

[2:31:55] planning board meetings. They go into a

[2:31:57] little more depth on the things that you

[2:31:59] hear and because I can see it in your

[2:32:01] faces. Sometimes we're discussing things

[2:32:03] and if it goes over your head or it

[2:32:05] seems like, hey, they're not really

[2:32:06] getting into the meat of things. I

[2:32:08] encourage you to watch the planning

[2:32:09] board meetings as well and they're on

[2:32:11] YouTube. Also, I've always said thank

[2:32:14] you to the employees that work on

[2:32:16] holidays so that we can enjoy whether

[2:32:18] it's Fourth of July parade or whatever.

[2:32:20] We can enjoy things, but forgive me, I

[2:32:23] should be including law enforcement,

[2:32:24] first responders. They're there at the

[2:32:27] parades and things like that so that we

[2:32:29] can um have a good time. And I never say

[2:32:32] thank you to our town attorney who does

[2:32:35] a great job as well. So, with that said,

[2:32:38] I really appreciate seeing everyone here

[2:32:40] tonight. Hope you continue to come. Hope

[2:32:43] you spread the good word in Indian Trail

[2:32:45] and I hope you bring people with us with

[2:32:47] you so they can see how their government

[2:32:49] runs. Have a good night.

[2:32:52] >> Very good.

[2:32:52] >> Mayor Con,

[2:32:54] >> um I'd like to thank Lieutenant North.

[2:32:56] You did a good job tonight. Uh tell Andy

[2:32:59] he better not miss too many more

[2:33:00] meetings. Uh that that you you did a

[2:33:03] great job. Also Jerome Sutton is quite a

[2:33:06] great guy and couldn't happen to a

[2:33:08] better person. and Marcus, thank you for being who you are and uh answer uh

[2:33:15] asking those questions and and the same

[2:33:17] to

[2:33:19] all of you. Um

[2:33:22] you uh you're you're here tonight.

[2:33:24] was a night night we had to

[2:33:26] answer some big questions and make some

[2:33:28] big decisions. And I think what you

[2:33:30] said, Marcus, was was meant a lot. It

[2:33:33] meant a lot. So, thank y'all. Real

[2:33:35] quick, I I meant to do this earlier. I

[2:33:37] didn't. I also wanted to tell you about

[2:33:39] what all I saw at the aquatic center.

[2:33:41] I'm not going to get into that. I'm

[2:33:42] going to save that for next time, but uh

[2:33:44] real quick, mayor's pretty busy this

[2:33:47] week. I think it's important that the public know that that I don't

[2:33:51] sit around do nothing. Uh so, uh I went

[2:33:54] to the co uh copper tapping uh tapping

[2:33:57] table, new restaurant. It's where the uh

[2:34:00] East Coast wings were. Good restaurant.

[2:34:02] Um, they're going to be here the next

[2:34:04] meeting and they're going to present

[2:34:06] something and I'm gonna try to talk them

[2:34:07] into bringing our food.

[2:34:09] >> Stick to stick.

[2:34:11] >> What now?

[2:34:12] >> Stick. I put my order stick.

[2:34:13] >> I put your steak. Okay. No, but but I am

[2:34:15] going to I'm going to try to see if I

[2:34:18] can do that. Uh, attended ABC board me

[2:34:20] uh in meeting and I think we're going to

[2:34:23] get a big check from pretty soon. I

[2:34:25] think that's really good. Uh, also

[2:34:27] attended the Crimestoppers lunch

[2:34:29] meeting. Crimestoppers will be here in

[2:34:31] September uh for uh the meeting in

[2:34:35] Indian Trail. It's never been in Indian

[2:34:36] Trail. It's going to be here and I'm

[2:34:39] very proud of that. So, uh I'm glad it's

[2:34:41] coming. We had Facebook Live, a great

[2:34:43] meeting with the the Legion Post. We we

[2:34:47] talked to some good people there. Uh we

[2:34:50] had uh I I spoke at a um something

[2:34:53] called the convention estates at the um

[2:34:57] uh Golden Corral on sat a couple of

[2:34:59] Saturdays ago. I was the guest speaker

[2:35:01] and I enjoyed it. It was it was a lot of

[2:35:04] fun. Uh coffee with the mayor this last

[2:35:06] time was at the VFW. Some of you were

[2:35:08] here were there. Uh I see in this room

[2:35:10] were there. Uh it was great. Uh we had a

[2:35:13] big crowd there. Uh may the mayor cooked

[2:35:16] hamburgers and hot dogs and had good

[2:35:18] stuff. And um before I forget to say

[2:35:20] this, I I I'm not taking credit for all

[2:35:23] this because staff helps me out a lot

[2:35:25] with all this stuff. Staff staff is uh

[2:35:28] behind the mayor 100%. We had some great

[2:35:31] questions. Uh and they got some answers.

[2:35:34] Uh went to Kimberly's place, moved to

[2:35:36] Monroe. I don't know if anybody knew

[2:35:37] that. Kimberly's Place used to uh be

[2:35:40] right here in town. They've got a nice

[2:35:41] place that they bought up in uh Monroe.

[2:35:43] very nice. Went up there and visited

[2:35:45] them. Uh we did a uh a ride with the

[2:35:49] with DOT Clarence and I and you saw

[2:35:51] everybody that was in that picture.

[2:35:53] Uh rode through some neighborhoods and

[2:35:56] Wesley Chapel Road. Uh something I don't

[2:35:59] have on here and I wanted to say this. I

[2:36:01] got a call from a resident the other day

[2:36:04] uh that was uh that actually complained

[2:36:06] about u uh rightfully so complained

[2:36:10] about Wesley Chapel Road. And uh I

[2:36:12] called DOT and um they said they'd try

[2:36:16] to help us out. They actually uh said we

[2:36:20] need to put some long they called them

[2:36:22] long patches and within two days they

[2:36:24] had two long patches on Wesley two or

[2:36:27] three long patches on Wesley Chapel

[2:36:29] Road. And uh that I thought that was

[2:36:31] Have you seen them out there Clarence?

[2:36:33] Which is it's amazing uh that that it happened that fast. Um, uh, met

[2:36:38] with the senior group downstairs, went

[2:36:40] to the aquatic center, met met with 316

[2:36:43] sports with, uh, John Sprinkle, uh,

[2:36:46] Ronnie Bowers and Jeff and Seth

[2:36:48] Sullivan, a Christian uh, sports here in

[2:36:51] town with First, it's not First Baptist

[2:36:54] Church anymore. It is

[2:36:55] >> Church of Indian Trail.

[2:36:56] Uh, we had

[2:36:58] breakfast with the sheriff, ate with a

[2:37:00] Andy and the chief, and Adam and myself

[2:37:04] about every month and a half. Uh Adam

[2:37:07] and I visited the uh residence that got

[2:37:11] flooded. Their yard got flooded and uh

[2:37:13] Adam being the man he is um is going to

[2:37:16] try to work with them. I don't think

[2:37:18] it's Indian Trail's fault at all. They had bought a house in a in a flood

[2:37:22] zone. But it's just just who we are and

[2:37:25] it's just who you are, Adam. And it's

[2:37:27] just just what I'm so proud to work with

[2:37:29] the town that we're going to help them

[2:37:30] anyway or do our best to help them

[2:37:32] anyway. um stopped by Moore Park. Uh and

[2:37:36] uh I'd say Jim's left. I saw Jim and I

[2:37:39] saw multiple people for the water line

[2:37:41] there. There's y'all having some some uh

[2:37:45] bumps in the road over there putting

[2:37:47] that water line in. So, uh but anyway, I

[2:37:50] think it's getting straightened out. Um

[2:37:53] met with a couple cha Chaseep on some

[2:37:56] future projects. Uh went to back to

[2:37:59] school bash on Saturday. Uh, man, I

[2:38:02] enjoyed that. Giving away uh uh some

[2:38:05] bags and school supplies to children and

[2:38:08] uh we had some good food and it was just

[2:38:10] a great time. Uh went and worked with

[2:38:13] the Deerstein neighborhood. I uh Miss

[2:38:16] Moore was here tonight uh and uh went

[2:38:20] worked with them. But without all that

[2:38:22] being said, that the mayor gets pushed

[2:38:26] by the and helped by the staff and

[2:38:28] staff. Thank you so much, Adam. you're

[2:38:30] great to work with and council. I

[2:38:32] appreciate all the ones that are here

[2:38:33] tonight. And uh with that being said,

[2:38:36] I'm I'm uh I think we've been here long

[2:38:38] enough and I've been talking long

[2:38:39] enough. Uh what else? What do I need?

[2:38:41] >> Close session.

[2:38:42] >> What? Oh, we do have a close session.

[2:38:45] >> Oh,

[2:38:47] leave. You're not leaving.

[2:38:48] >> I forgot. I forgot. We have close

[2:38:51] session tonight. Okay. Well, I can still

[2:38:54] say I'm done, right? I'm done.

[2:38:56] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. I thought you were asking

[2:38:58] for a motion to adjurnn.

[2:38:59] >> No, no. I I'm I'm I'm done now. Okay.

[2:39:03] Now that I'm done, I say God bless

[2:39:04] everybody and uh we are going into close

[2:39:07] session. So, uh, we're going to, uh,

[2:39:09] enter into close session under

[2:39:11] NCGS14331811A5

[2:39:15] to establish and instruct the staff, uh,

[2:39:18] or, uh, agent concerning the negotiation

[2:39:20] of a piece, a price in terms of a

[2:39:23] contract concerning the acquisition.

[2:39:28] And on another page,

[2:39:30] uh, acquisition of real property located

[2:39:32] at, uh, 704 074 8019B and 07105036

[2:39:40] and under NCGS134

[2:39:43] 31811A3

[2:39:45] to consider and give instructions

[2:39:47] concerning the following

[2:39:49] judicial actions. Town of Indian Trail

[2:39:51] versus Liquid Management

[2:39:55] 24 CV2.

[2:39:57] What now?

[2:39:57] >> You don't have to read the phone

[2:39:58] numbers.

[2:39:59] >> I don't have to read that. Okay, very

[2:40:00] good. Do y'all want they

[2:40:01] >> town of Indian Trail versus PNG?

[2:40:03] >> Do what now?

[2:40:04] >> In the second case, Town of Indian Trail

[2:40:06] versus PNG.

[2:40:06] >> Town of Indian Trail versus

[2:40:08] >> PNG. Are you telling me I don't have to

[2:40:11] read that

[2:40:11] >> the file number? Just the case name.

[2:40:13] >> Oh, just just give it

[2:40:15] >> Okay. Okay. Okay.

[2:40:16] >> And don't read the numbers.

[2:40:18] >> All right. LLC. Is that what you LLC uh

[2:40:21] 24v2756-890.

[2:40:25] Can I get a motion?

[2:40:27] So move.

[2:40:28] >> Okay. All in favor. We're going into

[2:40:31] close session. Thank y'all for being

[2:40:32] here. Can

[2:40:33] >> I get a motion to come out of close

[2:40:35] session?

[2:40:36] >> All in favor?

[2:40:38] >> Motion to close close session.

[2:40:40] >> Motion to come out of close session.

[2:40:42] >> Motion to return to open session.

[2:40:45] >> Motion to come on close session.

[2:40:46] >> It's fine. It's all fine. You got it

[2:40:48] right.

[2:40:50] Are

[2:40:51] >> you going to vote?

[2:40:52] Unanimous.

[2:40:53] >> Motion to close session.

[2:40:57] All in favor?

[2:40:58] >> Motion to adjurnn.

[2:41:00] >> That's right.

August 11, 2026, Town Council Meeting

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