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[0:07] Good afternoon, everyone. It's

[0:10] Excuse me. On Wednesday,

[0:12] SEPTEMBER, the 9th 2026.

[0:13] Welcome to the public. Room of

[0:15] the city County building and

[0:16] the Public Safety Committee of

[0:17] the City County Council. We'll

[0:18] start introductions this

[0:20] evening with art cost to our

[0:23] left council running. Thank

[0:24] you, MR. CHAIRMAN Paul in a

[0:28] district. 22. Thank you, MR.

[0:29] Chair Brian Mowery District.

[0:31] 25. Thank you, MR. Cherry and

[0:36] Illini District 2. It perfect.

[0:36] Thank you, MR. Chaired up the

[0:39] Carlos Perkins District 6.

[0:40] Thanks, MISTER Everyone Keep

[0:43] Graves District 9. Thank you,

[0:44] MR. Chair Frankness Care

[0:46] District 19 southeast side.

[0:47] Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Dan

[0:50] Boots District 3, Lawrence,

[0:51] Washington townships. I also

[0:52] we were Robertson chair, the

[0:54] committee. Represent District

[0:55] one. We have one guest council

[0:57] this evening. Council Brown.

[0:57] Thank you, MR. Chair Jesse

[1:00] Brown District 13. Thank you.

[1:02] Council. But first we have to

[1:03] presentation this evening.

[1:06] Going to 27 budget up first.

[1:07] Is it up, especially Park

[1:08] Police Department and chief

[1:10] talking to Terry and Welcome

[1:13] Thank you. CHAIRMAN Robinson,

[1:17] my mic working ok? Yes, Mary.

[1:18] All right. I'm gonna start

[1:21] with introductory remarks

[1:23] before I get into the actual

[1:26] presentation. And you'll hear

[1:28] from our cfo DePaul to my

[1:30] right with some details on the

[1:33] budget after I present an

[1:35] introductory presentation and

[1:36] then you'll hear some

[1:37] additional comments from me

[1:39] before we go into questions.

[1:42] So CHAIRMAN Robinson and

[1:44] members of the Public Safety

[1:45] and Criminal Justice

[1:45] Committee. Good evening and

[1:46] thank you for the opportunity

[1:47] to speak with you this

[1:49] evening. Want to begin by

[1:50] sharing my deep gratitude for

[1:53] each of you. For your support

[1:55] of the Annapolis Metropolitan

[1:56] Police Department and for the

[1:58] men and women who dedicate

[1:59] themselves to serving our city

[2:03] every single day. Also want to

[2:04] extend my sincere thanks to

[2:05] Mayor Hogsett for his

[2:06] leadership and for the budget

[2:08] proposal before you. This

[2:09] administration has

[2:10] demonstrated its support for

[2:13] impd year after year. And this

[2:14] proposed budget is yet another

[2:16] example of that. It's crucial

[2:19] to have a city that truly

[2:20] values understands and invests

[2:23] in its police department.

[2:24] Especially when we know that

[2:25] law enforcement agencies

[2:26] across the country are facing

[2:27] challenges in recruiting and

[2:29] retaining their officers. This

[2:32] budget provides that assurance

[2:34] backing words of support with

[2:35] meaningful action to ensure

[2:36] the men and women of impd have

[2:38] what they need to serve our

[2:39] community safely and

[2:42] effectively. I stood before

[2:44] you about 7 months ago when I

[2:45] was sworn in as chief of this

[2:49] great police Department. And

[2:50] that moment I tried to capture

[2:51] what I was feeling in just 3

[2:54] words. Honored, humbled and

[2:57] grateful. Today. Those words

[2:59] still ring true, perhaps even

[3:04] more than before. I thought I

[3:04] understood what I was stepping

[3:05] into when I accepted the role

[3:08] of chief. But the past several

[3:10] months have shown me the

[3:11] reality and no ways that I

[3:16] could prepare for. So

[3:17] alongside families and moments

[3:18] of heartbreak and watch our

[3:22] officers bring calm chaos.

[3:22] I've seen them run toward

[3:23] situations that would stop

[3:26] most people in their tracks. I

[3:28] watched the mentor, children

[3:30] check on our neighbors in need

[3:32] and quietly solve problems

[3:33] that never make the headlines

[3:35] but absolutely changed lives.

[3:37] These are not just stories of

[3:39] policing their stories of

[3:39] humanity, of courage and of

[3:46] service. Since then, we've had

[3:46] 5 officers shot. Several

[3:48] officers shot at. And officers

[3:50] attacked and injured simply

[3:52] for doing their job serving

[3:54] and protecting our community.

[3:57] I've stood alongside husbands

[3:59] and wives, family and friends

[3:59] and fellow officers have been

[4:03] witness to it all. The trauma

[4:04] they are repeatedly exposed to

[4:04] something I take extremely

[4:07] seriously. In order to serve

[4:07] our community the way it

[4:09] deserves to be served. We need

[4:11] healthy supported officers

[4:13] officers who can take days off

[4:16] who are compensated fairly and

[4:18] who are subjected to undue

[4:18] scrutiny when they're simply

[4:20] doing their jobs. These things

[4:22] matter. And I've seen

[4:24] firsthand the impact they have

[4:28] our officers. Our wellness

[4:30] unit is among the best in the

[4:32] country. And despite great

[4:33] progress at times, there's

[4:34] still stigma around asking for

[4:38] help. Especially when you're

[4:38] supposed to be the one who's

[4:42] helping others. Despite the

[4:43] mental and physical fatigue.

[4:44] And despite the public

[4:46] narrative surrounding safety

[4:47] in Indianapolis, officers

[4:48] continue to show up for their

[4:50] community doing more with less

[4:53] than ever before. You along

[4:55] with our community and our

[4:56] officers deserve to know

[4:59] exactly where things stand.

[5:00] That's why we've created the

[5:03] impd Transparency website. So

[5:05] neighbors can see the progress

[5:06] for themselves. Our community

[5:08] deserves full transparency,

[5:10] not opinions. Are rumors, but

[5:13] facts and real statistics.

[5:14] Don't just take someone's word

[5:17] for it. Review the data,

[5:18] follow the trends and see the

[5:21] facts. Since its launch in

[5:23] NOVEMBER of 2025, the site has

[5:26] averaged more than 1500 daily

[5:28] visits. And 47,000 monthly

[5:29] visits making it one of the

[5:30] city county's most visited

[5:33] resources. So where do things

[5:36] stand today? Our top priority

[5:40] remains keeping people safe.

[5:41] And today Indianapolis is

[5:41] seeing real measurable

[5:45] progress. Violent crime is

[5:48] down across nearly every major

[5:49] category with double-digit

[5:49] declines in homicides and

[5:51] non-fatal shootings. Property

[5:51] crime is also trending

[5:54] downward. These improvements

[5:56] are not accidental. And they

[5:57] don't belong to just one

[6:00] person. They're the result of

[6:02] focus strategies. Strong

[6:05] partnerships, data driven

[6:05] enforcement, growing community

[6:08] trust and above all. The

[6:09] dedication of the woman, a man

[6:13] of impd. We've seen lives

[6:14] saved because of the quick

[6:15] actions of our officers in the

[6:16] strong partnerships we have

[6:18] all across the city that

[6:19] commitment to protecting life

[6:23] is what drives us every day.

[6:24] And that focus must include

[6:24] some of our youngest

[6:28] neighbors. You've heard me say

[6:28] this before. The safety and

[6:31] well-being of our kids cannot

[6:34] rest on one group alone. It's

[6:38] a shared responsibility. While

[6:41] the overall numbers are

[6:42] declining, the proportion of

[6:42] youth involved in violent

[6:43] crime either as a victim or

[6:45] the suspect remain steady.

[6:48] That's a major concern for us.

[6:49] And one of the most urgent

[6:52] challenges we're facing. Impd

[6:53] remains committed to being

[6:54] proactive about keeping our

[6:55] kids safe. And that's why

[6:57] throughout the summer we

[6:58] increased patrols in areas

[6:59] where we know young people

[7:02] gather. We continue to enforce

[7:04] Indiana's curfew law when

[7:05] appropriate and prioritize

[7:06] outreach efforts focused on

[7:10] prevention. Curfew is a

[7:12] helpful tool, but reducing

[7:13] youth violence truly requires

[7:16] all of us working together.

[7:18] We've seen success with our

[7:19] connection Center, which pairs

[7:21] accountability with

[7:22] opportunity connects youth and

[7:23] their families to helpful

[7:24] resources through our

[7:26] community partners. Let me

[7:30] give you an example. We've

[7:30] intervene when young teenage

[7:32] girls were downtown getting

[7:33] drinks from an adult male who

[7:37] they did not know. And their

[7:37] parents that they were

[7:40] someplace else someplace safe.

[7:42] We've also called parents to

[7:43] come pick up their kids when

[7:43] they didn't even know they

[7:46] were gone. That's what

[7:46] prevention and intervention

[7:50] looks like. By working

[7:51] together through proactive

[7:53] policing curfew enforcement

[7:55] and immediate connections to

[7:56] services. We're building a

[7:58] system that helps step in

[7:59] violence is a chance to

[8:03] happen. But we also know law

[8:03] enforcement alone is not the

[8:07] answer. Our young people are

[8:09] our future and protecting that

[8:11] future is a responsibility. We

[8:14] must all share. That's why

[8:16] impd continues to focus on

[8:17] youth outreach. Parental

[8:18] engagement and diversion

[8:21] efforts. These efforts

[8:22] alongside community

[8:24] partnerships, give kids

[8:27] opportunities, keep families

[8:27] connected and reduce the risks

[8:31] that lead to violence. While

[8:32] we are proud of the progress

[8:34] we've made in reducing crime,

[8:35] we cannot lose focus. There's

[8:39] more work to be done. Too many

[8:40] lives are still being lost to

[8:41] violence, specifically gun

[8:43] violence. To the families who

[8:45] have lost loved ones. We

[8:48] grieve with you. Will continue

[8:50] to walk alongside you support

[8:52] you and we will not stop

[8:52] working to hold offenders

[8:57] accountable. And as our work

[8:58] progresses, so must our

[8:59] strategies. Criminals adapt

[9:04] and so must we. Leveraging

[9:05] smarter technologies and data

[9:05] driven approach is to stay

[9:06] ahead in the ever evolving

[9:10] world of public safety.

[9:11] Without a doubt, technology

[9:14] such as alp Ares help us solve

[9:14] crimes faster, remove violent

[9:16] offenders from our

[9:18] neighborhoods and locate

[9:19] endangered or missing people

[9:21] when time matters. The most.

[9:23] Our job is to keep people

[9:26] safe. And when a crime occurs,

[9:27] we're expected to use every

[9:28] tool available to find the

[9:32] person responsible. Whether by

[9:33] locating and endangered person

[9:34] are helping get a violent

[9:35] offender off the streets so

[9:37] they can't re offend Alp. Ours

[9:39] are a tool that has truly

[9:44] saved lives. That set. Misuse

[9:48] is unacceptable. Misuse hurts

[9:50] our credibility and erodes the

[9:50] public trust. That is

[9:53] essential to our mission.

[9:54] Technology itself is not the

[9:59] problem. Misuses. Last month.

[10:00] What I learned officer had

[10:02] used alprs for personal

[10:04] reasons. That officer was

[10:05] immediately placed on

[10:05] administrative duty with no

[10:07] police powers. Based on the

[10:10] facts gathered early in the

[10:11] investigation. I suspended him

[10:12] without pay and recommended

[10:13] his termination from our

[10:17] agency. Since then, we've

[10:17] taken clear steps to prevent

[10:21] misuse. A new policy has been

[10:22] issued. What you have in front

[10:25] of you this evening. Every

[10:26] alpr user had decided to keep

[10:28] their access. Those who didn't

[10:29] sign it had their access shut

[10:32] off. We also now require every

[10:33] search to be tied to a case or

[10:37] cad number. No exceptions. In

[10:38] the past that had been

[10:42] optional. Impd is also

[10:44] launched a new and stronger

[10:45] auditing process to identify

[10:46] potential misuse quickly and

[10:49] intervene early. Any facts or

[10:51] circumstances suggesting

[10:52] misuse will be thoroughly

[10:55] reviewed and investigated to

[10:56] ensure every search was

[10:57] conducted solely for a

[10:57] legitimate law enforcement

[11:02] purpose. Additionally, I

[11:03] continue to support

[11:06] legislation that guides prop

[11:07] or use of this technology also

[11:08] leveraging it to support our

[11:09] efforts and reducing crime and

[11:11] saving lives. We've already

[11:14] been in touch with legislators

[11:15] and look forward to working

[11:15] with them in the next

[11:19] legislative session. Holding

[11:21] ourselves accountable isn't

[11:22] easy, but it's how we grow how

[11:26] we learn. Impd is shown this

[11:27] community. We're willing to

[11:29] have tough conversations and

[11:31] from those challenges, real

[11:35] opportunities emerge. But

[11:38] accountability requires truth.

[11:39] Those conversations must be

[11:40] rooted in facts, not

[11:44] misinformation. Were rumors.

[11:45] That's why we provided a

[11:45] frequently asked questions

[11:49] fire on Alpr technology to

[11:49] provide our community with

[11:50] accurate information about

[11:53] what this tool does, how it

[11:58] works and who has access. As

[11:59] we continue to grow and

[11:59] improve, we will be guided by

[12:01] him for these first ever

[12:04] strategic plan. Implementation

[12:07] of this plan is now underway.

[12:09] Giving us direction for

[12:11] improving operations,

[12:11] strengthening trust, investing

[12:13] in our officers and

[12:14] professional staff and

[12:15] expanding innovative

[12:17] approaches to crime reduction.

[12:20] This plan ensures our work.

[12:21] He's guided not just by

[12:22] officer input but by community

[12:26] priorities. You helped shape

[12:27] these goals. And now it's on

[12:29] us to deliver results and said

[12:33] impd up for long-term success.

[12:34] So what would that success

[12:37] look like? Looking ahead, my

[12:40] priorities remain clear. With

[12:41] our strategic plan guiding us

[12:44] every step of the way success

[12:45] means we drive down violent

[12:48] crime even further. We'll do

[12:49] our part to hold accountable.

[12:51] Those who commit crimes of

[12:51] violence while also investing

[12:52] in prevention that stops

[12:55] violence before it starts

[12:57] less. Violence means more

[12:58] lives saved. And that's where

[12:59] our focus will stay in the

[13:01] coming year. Recruitment and

[13:05] retention. Our officers and

[13:06] professional staff are our

[13:08] most important asked important

[13:10] We prioritized fair

[13:11] compensation, meaningful time

[13:14] off and access to resources

[13:15] and technology. They need to

[13:18] succeed. Soon. We will launch

[13:19] a professional development

[13:20] program to expand learning

[13:24] opportunities and growth.

[13:24] Investing in our officers

[13:26] helps the department deliver

[13:27] safer, more effective policing

[13:30] for our community. Supporting

[13:31] our officers and professional

[13:35] staff. When our officers are

[13:36] healthy, supported and well

[13:37] trained, they're able to show

[13:42] up stronger for our community.

[13:42] That's why we're investing and

[13:43] well-being, training and

[13:46] development giving our teams

[13:47] the tools time and support.

[13:49] They need to do their jobs

[13:50] with professionalism and

[13:55] integrity. Expanding community

[13:56] partnerships. Public safety is

[13:58] something we build together.

[14:02] Impd cannot do this alone.

[14:03] Trust and collaboration with

[14:07] our community are essential.

[14:08] We'll keep strengthening

[14:09] relationships being

[14:10] transparent and making sure

[14:11] our neighbors have a real

[14:11] voice in shaping how their

[14:14] neighborhoods are policed when

[14:16] we work side by side, we

[14:17] create safer, stronger

[14:20] communities. Leverage,

[14:24] technology and data. Our

[14:25] community expects us to solve

[14:25] crimes and hold people

[14:27] accountable after violence has

[14:29] occurred to meet that

[14:30] responsibility. We must also

[14:31] use technology and data

[14:34] lawfully and effectively. We

[14:35] will continue building on the

[14:37] work of our analysts, the real

[14:38] time crime center and our

[14:40] officers making sure they have

[14:41] the tools and resources to

[14:43] turn information into action

[14:47] and action into safety. Using

[14:48] resources wisely. We're

[14:50] focused on maximizing

[14:51] efficiency, reducing

[14:53] unnecessary demands on

[14:56] officers. Time and making sure

[14:57] taxpayer dollars are used

[14:59] responsibly and effectively.

[15:02] We use resources wisely

[15:03] officers spend less time on

[15:04] task to pull them away from

[15:07] the community. More time

[15:08] responding and responding to

[15:09] calls building relationships

[15:13] and solving problems. Every

[15:14] dollar saved and every minute

[15:17] free dup means better service.

[15:18] Faster response and say for

[15:22] Indianapolis. The proposed

[15:23] budget before us highlights

[15:25] what truly matters. Keeps our

[15:27] progress in crime reduction

[15:28] moving forward, making sure

[15:29] officers have the training and

[15:32] equipment they need in our

[15:32] community partnerships,

[15:33] country continue to drive

[15:37] lasting change. I'm grateful

[15:39] to Mayor Hogsett for his

[15:40] continued support to the

[15:42] CHAIRMAN And committee for

[15:43] your guidance into our

[15:44] community and public safety

[15:46] partners for walking this path

[15:47] with us, your trust together

[15:49] with the did dedication of our

[15:49] officers and professional

[15:52] staff. Is what makes real

[15:54] progress possible. We know the

[15:56] work isn't finished, but with

[15:59] your partnership. We'll keep

[16:01] moving forward. Keep building

[16:01] momentum and keep shaping a

[16:02] safer in Annapolis for

[16:17] everyone. Thanks to. Going to

[16:18] get our budget presentation

[16:20] before I pass it over to our

[16:22] cfo. Sure, walk through the

[16:23] detailed budget, but I want to

[16:25] set the stage to talk about

[16:26] impd is officers the progress

[16:26] we've made and how we intend

[16:32] to move here. On the screen.

[16:33] You see this is our new

[16:35] mission statement that was

[16:35] developed. Marsh should

[16:39] strategic plan. It was formed

[16:41] from input from within our

[16:42] agency, by our officers that

[16:44] are sworn our professional

[16:46] staff. It was also formed from

[16:48] community input and feedback.

[16:51] Community feedback. That was

[16:51] derived from every zip code

[16:53] with in Marion County. So I do

[16:56] want to read it to you. So you

[16:58] know what to expect from your

[16:59] impd today tomorrow and in the

[17:02] future. Impd serves with

[17:05] courage and compassion.

[17:07] Partnering with our community

[17:08] to address crime and create a

[17:10] safer Indianapolis for

[17:11] everyone who lives works and

[17:15] visits here. This is a simple

[17:17] statement, but it's quite

[17:18] intentional. The words were

[17:21] chosen. After rigorous

[17:23] discussion and feedback many

[17:25] revisions. Courage and

[17:28] compassion. We need both to

[17:29] carry out our mission

[17:32] effectively. Because we know

[17:34] we can't do it alone and we're

[17:34] stronger when we work

[17:39] together. The safe indy for

[17:40] everyone regardless of race,

[17:42] creed, color, background and

[17:45] even immigration status.

[17:47] That's our new mission

[17:48] statement. And I'm extremely

[17:49] proud that it was developed

[17:50] with input from internally and

[17:54] externally. Additionally,

[17:55] you'll see our service area

[17:55] consist of Indianapolis,

[17:57] Marion County, which is more

[17:58] than 400 square miles. We

[18:00] serve nearly 900,000

[18:02] residents, not including

[18:02] Lawrence Beech Grove Speedway

[18:06] and so forth. We currently

[18:11] have. 1383 sworn officers who

[18:12] come to work every day to make

[18:16] Indianapolis a safer place. We

[18:17] are a 360 officers short of

[18:18] our authorized strength of 17.

[18:22] 43. I know each year there are

[18:23] questions about why we ask

[18:27] tough and 1743 officers. Also

[18:28] a cheer. You ask how you can

[18:33] help improve recruiting.

[18:34] Funding 1743 officers. One is

[18:35] one of the most impactful ways

[18:38] that you can help us. It

[18:39] demonstrates to potential

[18:40] recruits. The Indianapolis is

[18:42] serious about building a

[18:44] fully-staffed resilient police

[18:46] Department and you're

[18:46] committed to investing in the

[18:47] officers who protect our

[18:52] neighborhoods. Setting

[18:53] funding, setting in funding.

[18:54] This number of officers also

[18:55] sends a strong message to our

[18:58] community. The Indianapolis

[18:58] Value Safety understands the

[19:01] challenges of modern policing

[19:02] and he's committed to

[19:03] investing in the officers who

[19:06] keep our city safe.

[19:07] Additionally, we never know

[19:08] what our recruiting classes

[19:10] are going to look like. We

[19:11] could get a surge in

[19:13] applicants and then we would

[19:14] certainly need the available

[19:17] funding to support them. Right

[19:18] now we have more than 30

[19:19] recruits going through the

[19:21] academy. It's the largest

[19:23] class we've seen in the last 4

[19:24] years. Our next class is also

[19:26] projected to be of a similar

[19:27] size. So we are trending in

[19:31] the right direction. One of

[19:32] the most important factors is

[19:33] that funding for authorized

[19:34] strength allows us to utilize

[19:37] that money to cover our

[19:37] staffing shortages with

[19:39] overtime shifts. It's very

[19:43] similar to how ifd would staff

[19:44] a fire engine. It might

[19:46] require a fireman to be on a

[19:48] truck. And when they're short

[19:50] of a firefighter for whatever

[19:50] reason they hire back to fill

[19:53] that shortage shortage. It is

[19:56] essential that are of

[19:59] districts and patrol shifts

[20:00] are staffed appropriately so

[20:01] we can safely and effectively

[20:02] serve our community. And those

[20:04] shortages are often filled

[20:04] with overtime shifts. And

[20:08] that's a daily occurrence.

[20:09] Also, I'd like to know that if

[20:12] we did have all 1743 seats

[20:13] filled, we would actually

[20:14] spend more money on staffing

[20:17] and personnel. The current

[20:20] budget funds, 1743 positions.

[20:22] They're at the recruits

[20:24] starting salary. Every seat

[20:25] were filled, our actual

[20:26] personnel costs would be

[20:27] higher because officers

[20:28] actually earn more than the

[20:29] starting pay rate. Ms budget

[20:31] is already tight and it's not

[20:36] padded. I'd also like to know

[20:38] that if we need, if we needed

[20:39] to make any changes to our

[20:40] character, one budget that

[20:42] would require approval. So

[20:43] that's element of transparency

[20:46] within our budget. Based on

[20:49] the current numbers, a budget

[20:51] of 1743 were looking at

[20:52] breaking even in character.

[20:54] One this year were in 2027, I

[20:55] should say. And we don't have

[20:56] any extra money sitting around

[21:03] unused. So I think that would

[21:04] sufficiently explain an

[21:06] argument for why we continuing

[21:09] come to you and ask you to

[21:10] continue to authorize our

[21:12] strength of 1743 officers in

[21:15] budget forward accordingly.

[21:18] Our agency also has 220

[21:19] professional staff. We're

[21:22] short, 67 positions of our 287

[21:23] authorize a professional staff

[21:27] positions. This slide shows

[21:28] you are historical staffing

[21:32] levels. It represents the

[21:33] reality of what we're doing

[21:35] with your airline pd. We do

[21:36] have to make difficult

[21:37] decisions because we have

[21:39] fewer resources available. We

[21:40] want to do more. But

[21:42] unfortunately, we just don't

[21:43] have the staffing to do all of

[21:44] the things that we would like

[21:47] to do. Our priorities remain

[21:48] going after violent offenders

[21:49] and responding to 9-1-1.

[21:53] Calls. Not reflected in our

[21:55] number of hires in 2026. Is

[21:56] our latest class which U.S.

[21:59] Were in an AUGUST includes

[22:00] over 30 Actually, we've hired

[22:02] a total of 53. There's 53

[22:06] officers this year and we are

[22:07] scheduled to swear in a class

[22:16] in DECEMBER. Is our agency

[22:17] demographics for sworn

[22:20] officers and our leadership.

[22:20] It's our goal have a

[22:21] department that is reflective

[22:23] of the community that we serve

[22:25] that way. Our officers can

[22:27] relate understand different

[22:31] perspectives and foster trust.

[22:32] The department has written

[22:33] representation is one that can

[22:33] truly earn and maintain

[22:35] public. Trust. I'm so proud to

[22:38] say that my leadership team

[22:40] also reflects a diverse group

[22:41] of people. It's one of the

[22:41] most diverse leadership teams

[22:44] in the agency's history. I

[22:47] would like to know that I did

[22:48] become the first female police

[22:49] chief of our agency and its

[22:53] history this year and 30% of

[22:54] my command staff is black or

[22:55] Hispanic and nearly 20% are

[23:00] women. Continuing with

[23:02] demographics. Our current

[23:05] recruit class actually has

[23:06] started with 11 women. It's

[23:06] one of the largest female

[23:11] classes to date. Overall. Our

[23:12] agency. He's represented by

[23:14] 13% female officers, which is

[23:15] just about the national

[23:20] average. We did several years

[23:22] ago pledged work toward a goal

[23:26] of a 30% female recruit class

[23:28] and each recruit class by the

[23:29] year 2030. That's why called

[23:33] the 30 by 30 pledge. We also

[23:35] try to recruit more women by

[23:35] holding an annual event called

[23:38] her better. In fact, it does

[23:39] showcase other women officers

[23:42] to our community. We actually

[23:44] understand the importance of

[23:45] having female officers

[23:46] represented thrower throughout

[23:47] our rings, especially in our

[23:50] community, which is consistent

[23:51] consistently just over 50% of

[23:55] our population. We know that

[23:56] female officers also have

[23:57] fewer uses of force, fewer

[23:59] complaints are likely to use

[24:01] their words for de-escalation

[24:03] and they serve with

[24:04] compassion. So there's

[24:07] multitude of reasons why

[24:08] prioritizing on agency that's

[24:09] reflective our of our

[24:11] community is beneficial not

[24:12] only for the agency but

[24:13] beneficial for the community.

[24:18] We serve us well. This graph

[24:21] shows the breakdown of our

[24:22] professional staff, our

[24:23] professional staff. I would

[24:24] like to say and emphasize is

[24:28] the backbone of our agency. It

[24:29] is predominantly women with

[24:30] women making up 67%. Men

[24:33] making up 33% and less like to

[24:34] know that there's no disparity

[24:35] in pay between men and women

[24:36] amongst our professional

[24:41] staff. And we're learning we

[24:42] continue to lean more on

[24:43] professional staff to help

[24:45] ease the burden on sworn

[24:47] officers. We do utilize public

[24:50] safety officers, public

[24:51] assistance officers to crash

[24:52] investigations. We have

[24:53] analysts that are heavily

[24:55] involved in helping us solve

[24:57] crimes prevent crimes. We have

[24:58] public assistance officers are

[25:02] handling then checks. And

[25:03] essentially our professional

[25:06] staff are taking over more and

[25:07] responsibilities that have

[25:09] been in the past handled by

[25:11] some of our sworn officers. So

[25:12] we're continually looking for

[25:12] opportunities to expand on

[25:18] those responsibilities.

[25:21] Alright, retention strategies.

[25:23] These also apply to recruiting

[25:24] strategies. They definitely go

[25:28] closely hand in hand. Just

[25:30] last week our officers voted

[25:32] to approve a 10 hour shift

[25:32] model for agency following 8

[25:36] month pilot. This change

[25:37] allows officers a better work

[25:39] health balance with more days

[25:40] off, totaling about 37 more

[25:42] days off throughout the year

[25:43] while still working the same

[25:45] amount of hours shifts are

[25:48] built to overlap during the

[25:49] busiest calls for service

[25:52] hours. We also offer one of

[25:53] the highest starting salaries

[25:56] in the Midwest. Officer

[25:57] Wellness is a huge part of

[25:58] keeping our officers healthy

[25:59] and on the force for a long

[26:00] time so that they can retire

[26:02] in one piece, both physically

[26:07] and mentally. We've added

[26:08] benefits like 12 weeks of

[26:10] parental leave. Language pay

[26:14] and a uniform allowance. We

[26:14] offer more career

[26:15] opportunities along with

[26:17] professional development. We

[26:19] offer options to join

[26:21] specialty units and we also

[26:21] offer details throughout

[26:24] officers careers. Details to

[26:30] other units for exposure.

[26:31] We're also in the early stages

[26:32] of creating an Academy of

[26:35] continuing Education. For

[26:37] short ace. You can see that on

[26:39] the slide. This will provide

[26:40] officers with opportunities to

[26:41] take courses with specific

[26:44] career pass and mine, which is

[26:45] part of the feedback we've

[26:48] heard from our our officers is

[26:49] that they need more

[26:50] opportunities to know what

[26:50] career passing looks like

[26:54] within our agency. We also

[26:55] take the time to celebrate our

[26:56] officers successes with an

[26:58] annual awards ceremony. And

[26:59] every month district celebrate

[27:00] officers of the month all

[27:06] throughout the year. Officer

[27:07] training, education and

[27:08] training are essential to our

[27:12] mission and our vision. Our

[27:13] recruits complete. 26 weeks of

[27:14] training. While in the

[27:15] Catholic Academy. But our

[27:18] training does not stop there.

[27:20] We also continue to invest in

[27:20] crisis intervention training

[27:23] with each recruit class. After

[27:24] the academy officers are

[27:25] trained throughout their

[27:26] careers because of the

[27:27] profession is in constant

[27:29] change in flux. We have to

[27:31] keep up. Training goes beyond

[27:36] firearms. We trained to

[27:37] respond to critical incidents.

[27:39] Implicit bias training,

[27:42] defensive tactics. And while

[27:44] acronym is called iccat

[27:45] Integrated Communications

[27:46] Assessment and Tactics which

[27:49] teaches officers to slow down

[27:50] communicate clearly plan

[27:51] tactical positions and avoid

[27:52] creating rushed for dangerous

[27:57] situations. Supervisors

[27:57] receive additional training on

[27:59] top of that. And we're

[28:00] exploring ways to Expand

[28:04] leadership training. Our

[28:05] first-line supervisors have

[28:06] the greatest influence on the

[28:07] culture and direction of our

[28:09] agency. They play such a vital

[28:09] role that this is a priority

[28:12] for the department were

[28:13] participating in a consortium

[28:16] to advance police supervision

[28:17] called caps. And a first-line

[28:18] supervision study with the

[28:20] Ohio State University, we also

[28:23] provide a leadership Academy

[28:25] for officers and supervisors

[28:26] to enhance training. They've

[28:31] already had. We are grateful

[28:35] to the council for approving

[28:36] the spring fiscal to pay off

[28:37] installments early regarding

[28:41] our fleet. This will free up

[28:42] funding so that we are able to

[28:45] purchase approximately 180

[28:47] vehicles and we will continue

[28:49] to work at them. And our

[28:50] council to continue to meet

[28:53] our ongoing needs. Annually.

[28:55] We need about 300 year 300

[28:57] vehicles per year in order

[28:58] keep our fleet current and

[29:01] up-to-date. Needs are based on

[29:05] the age of cars. The mileage,

[29:06] Anand, it's it's really just

[29:07] more than a car to our

[29:09] officers. There's a direct

[29:09] correlation between community

[29:10] response and the health of our

[29:14] fleet. This is where officers

[29:16] spent a majority of their day

[29:19] over 10 hours a day. It's

[29:20] their office. And if they're

[29:22] responding to a call for help

[29:23] or call for service, they have

[29:25] to have a reliable method of

[29:26] transportation to get there

[29:32] safely and effectively.

[29:34] Alright, progress and

[29:36] improvements. You'll hear me

[29:36] talk a little bit more detail

[29:39] about each of these topics

[29:41] that you'll see violence

[29:43] reduction is at a five-year

[29:45] low recoup recruitment and

[29:45] retention efforts are more

[29:47] intentional, inconsistent with

[29:47] applicants with a focus on

[29:50] marketing and engagement. Our

[29:51] early stages of our strategic

[29:52] plan are being implemented and

[29:56] to our department technology

[29:56] helps us all that the violent

[29:57] crimes efficiently and

[30:00] effectively. Making hundreds

[30:01] of connections and meetings

[30:04] through our community

[30:05] engagement. Our mcat and

[30:06] homeless outreach unit connect

[30:10] to our vulnerable neighbors.

[30:11] Connecting them with critical

[30:11] resources and support

[30:15] services. And we continue to

[30:17] expand on officer wellness and

[30:18] provide officers with tools

[30:19] and resources to keep a

[30:20] well-balanced work. Health

[30:25] relationship. These violent

[30:28] crime and property crime

[30:30] statistics. These numbers show

[30:33] a 5 year decline in violent

[30:33] crime categories, including

[30:35] criminal homicides and

[30:36] non-fatal shootings. You can

[30:37] see that every category

[30:39] showing a decrease of 40% or

[30:41] better with the exception of

[30:41] property crime coming in at

[30:46] 25%. These numbers are

[30:47] outpacing the national trends

[30:48] of violence reduction across

[30:52] the country. Our gun violence

[30:52] reduction strategy started in

[30:56] 2021. We continue to remain

[30:58] focused on people, places and

[30:58] behaviors that are responsible

[31:01] for violent crime. And we

[31:02] recognize that it will

[31:03] continue to get more and more

[31:06] difficult to keep reductions

[31:07] at this pace. But that doesn't

[31:11] mean that we're going to stop.

[31:12] We'll build on those community

[31:13] partnerships, especially

[31:13] resources that target

[31:14] juveniles involved in gun

[31:15] violence and traumatic

[31:22] incidents. Some are our

[31:22] successes in violence

[31:24] reduction continued you'll see

[31:28] a pat on the side there. Our

[31:29] Indiana Crime Guns Task Force

[31:30] is a critical part in driving

[31:32] the violence and it

[31:34] contributes those to those

[31:35] slides there. 223 firearms

[31:38] seized. 19 machine gun

[31:42] conversion devices recovered.

[31:43] That's an incredible amount of

[31:45] fire power when those machine

[31:46] gun conversion devices are

[31:50] used within our community, the

[31:50] carnage and destruction that

[31:55] impact that they have is just

[31:57] incredible. And they simply

[31:58] just can't be So those bullets

[31:59] are just going anywhere and

[32:04] everywhere. Additionally,

[32:05] you'll see on that slide. Our

[32:06] District Violent crimes task

[32:09] force and violence reduction

[32:10] teams, contributions forsman

[32:12] efforts are targeting known

[32:14] crime contributors, focus

[32:15] location, policing, finding

[32:17] those locations that have high

[32:18] Crime Inc. Also working with

[32:19] our Indiana crimes, Guns Task

[32:23] Force. Identifying those who

[32:26] are most at risk of being

[32:27] involved in violence in our

[32:28] community and targeting them

[32:29] to prevent future violence and

[32:35] hold them accountable. I know

[32:36] the slide is a little bit

[32:37] small and hard to read.

[32:38] Hopefully you have a copy of

[32:39] the budget slides in front of

[32:46] you. But you can see that the

[32:46] the trends are consistent with

[32:47] what we've already shared

[32:49] about overall violence

[32:51] reduction, the numbers of

[32:54] youth that are impacted by

[32:55] homicides and non-fatal

[32:59] shootings have gone down. I

[32:59] would add that one cabbie out

[33:04] that the proportion. Of youth

[33:06] involved in our non-fatal

[33:07] shootings is up nearly 5 and a

[33:11] half percent. And all that

[33:13] means is that it's a slight

[33:14] increase in the proportion.

[33:14] When you compare the number of

[33:15] adults that have been involved

[33:18] in non-fatal shootings

[33:18] compared to the number of

[33:22] juveniles. Overall, fewer kids

[33:23] have been in impacted by

[33:27] violent crime. But I'd like to

[33:28] see an even bigger reduction

[33:29] in this particular area. I'd

[33:32] also like to know that we

[33:34] hosted several major events

[33:35] downtown throughout the summer

[33:38] for a second to. Might ask you

[33:43] have a seat. You don't like

[33:47] seeing What are cops a point

[33:48] of order? Absolutely. Frank,

[33:51] it's a point of order. It's

[33:53] unbelievable. What are cops

[33:54] did instead we take a moment

[33:55] see right behind. You have see

[34:02] back there. Thank you,

[34:06] CHAIRMAN. As I was saying,

[34:08] we've hosted several major

[34:09] events downtown throughout the

[34:11] summer. And while we saw an

[34:13] increase in news that we're

[34:13] out and about during those

[34:14] events, not a single young

[34:18] life was lost. Curfew allowed

[34:18] us to intervene early in our

[34:20] proactive efforts. Help

[34:21] mitigate issues before they

[34:24] could escalate. These outcomes

[34:25] matter. The fact that we've

[34:27] had fewer lives lost. You're

[34:29] young lives impacted by gun

[34:29] violence deserve some

[34:39] recognition. Was deserve some

[34:41] All right. I still continuing

[34:47] continuing with successes on

[34:49] the recruitment and retention

[34:50] remains our number one

[34:53] priority our strategic plan.

[34:54] We want to recruit people who

[34:57] have a heart to serve with

[35:01] integrity. In fairness, people

[35:01] who want to impact their

[35:02] community to stand up for

[35:03] those who can't stand up for

[35:04] themselves. And make a

[35:07] difference in their community.

[35:09] Again, we have more than 30

[35:11] recruits are current class

[35:11] with it, which is a

[35:12] significant increase from the

[35:15] last 4 years. I recruiting

[35:17] team has been restructured and

[35:18] is now under their training

[35:21] academy, which streamlines

[35:23] recruiting hiring and initial

[35:24] training process for recruit

[35:28] officers. The recruiting team

[35:28] is also bringing in new

[35:31] initiatives and fresh ideas.

[35:32] We've launched a new

[35:33] onboarding questionnaire to

[35:35] learn how recruits learned

[35:37] about impd and why they chose

[35:38] our department. So we have

[35:38] data on how applicants are

[35:42] hearing about We're having

[35:43] more consistent communication

[35:45] with our applicants staying in

[35:46] touch with them throughout the

[35:47] hiring process to keep their

[35:48] excitement up about. Joining

[35:52] impd. We're tracking return on

[35:55] investment on all events,

[35:55] partnerships and recruiting

[35:56] efforts in evaluating our

[35:57] processes to ensure we're

[35:59] focusing those efforts in the

[36:00] right places and engaging with

[36:03] the right people. New

[36:05] initiatives also mean new

[36:06] strategies. We have new events

[36:07] for recruits to give them

[36:10] unique insights into impd

[36:11] Schiff. 0 allows our recruits

[36:13] to meet specially units.

[36:16] Detectives and even chiefs and

[36:17] tour our facilities while

[36:17] they're considering a career

[36:21] was impd. Our applicants

[36:23] scenarios allow for strong

[36:24] candidates to have a hands-on

[36:25] experience out of her. She

[36:28] will some of you in our

[36:28] council have experienced what

[36:29] her shovels like and what

[36:30] scenario-based training can

[36:32] do. And that experience for

[36:33] potential applicants is simply

[36:37] invaluable. Also leveraging

[36:38] partnerships with military and

[36:42] colleges for great exposure.

[36:43] And are joined impd social

[36:44] channels you MAY seen have MAY

[36:45] have seen as leaning into

[36:46] storytelling showing what

[36:48] policing really looks like

[36:50] body-worn camera.

[37:04] Over 1700 seconds.

[37:16] Sharia. Those in the audience

[37:17] will have a chance to speak at

[37:18] the conclusion of

[37:18] representation. So if you want

[37:21] to sign up here, you have a

[37:22] chance to speak to the

[37:23] audience was we have public

[37:27] testimony. Thank you, Chief.

[37:28] So as I was talking about, our

[37:29] social media strategy as it

[37:31] relates to recruitment, we're

[37:32] showing what policing really

[37:34] looks like through body-worn

[37:36] camera footage. Social media

[37:37] gives us the chance to connect

[37:38] with people far beyond

[37:39] Indianapolis and raising it to

[37:43] build those bridges. We also

[37:43] incorporated a new functional

[37:44] fitness tests which was born

[37:46] out of the state standard.

[37:48] This exposes applicants to the

[37:49] physical demands of being an

[37:51] officer. We also offer that

[37:52] functional fitness tests,

[37:55] which isn't new hiring

[37:57] standard monthly to allow

[37:58] potential applicants to test

[38:00] their skills and learn the new

[38:01] test before they actually go

[38:06] during the hiring process. Our

[38:07] strategic plan was published

[38:10] earlier this year in FEBRUARY.

[38:11] And since then, we have

[38:12] created and executive staff

[38:14] position to oversee. It's

[38:16] progress and implementation

[38:19] are 2 priorities this year,

[38:19] our recruiting and retention,

[38:20] which you've already heard me

[38:23] emphasize. And we're

[38:24] identifying gaps in our

[38:26] community partnerships, making

[38:27] intentional expansion of

[38:28] relationships to represent our

[38:33] community. We often talk about

[38:33] community partnerships and

[38:34] we're fortunate to have so

[38:37] many. But we know we need more

[38:39] to truly serve Indy. Our

[38:41] partners must represent every

[38:43] neighborhood race, religion,

[38:45] orientation and ethnicity.

[38:45] That's why we're working to

[38:48] document who our partners are.

[38:50] So we can identify where the

[38:51] gaps exist and take action to

[38:57] make new connections.

[38:58] Technology continues to be a

[38:59] game changer for impd. It

[39:01] allows officers to work

[39:03] smarter. Connect the dots more

[39:04] quickly and ultimately solve

[39:04] crimes faster than ever

[39:07] before. Drones are helping us

[39:10] during all types of incidents.

[39:11] Currently we have 100 drones

[39:13] and service and 69 certified

[39:15] pilots. One of the largest law

[39:17] enforcement drone units in the

[39:19] U.S. We used drones for safe

[39:20] policing during large major

[39:21] events like JULY 4th or MARCH

[39:25] Madness. Additionally, every

[39:26] patrol officers equipped with

[39:27] body-worn camera. These

[39:29] cameras have been updated.

[39:31] They have better battery life,

[39:32] higher quality video and other

[39:33] features that increase

[39:36] transparency for our

[39:38] community. Our real time crime

[39:38] center is staffed with

[39:39] professional analysts and

[39:41] sworn officers. Both they

[39:42] worked during high-volume

[39:44] times as well as Friday and

[39:45] Saturday nights and during

[39:46] special events like the 4th of

[39:49] JULY. They also provide

[39:51] another tool that helps

[39:53] prevent mitigate and solve

[39:53] crimes efficiently and

[40:01] effectively. Continuing on

[40:02] with successes for community

[40:03] engagement. Game community

[40:07] engagement is at the heart of

[40:09] effective policing. Impd

[40:09] continues to make strides to

[40:11] engage all areas of our

[40:13] community through 105

[40:15] community meetings with key

[40:15] stakeholders and neighborhood

[40:19] leaders. The agency has made

[40:20] hundreds of new connections to

[40:20] parents, their children and

[40:24] other neighbors. Through more

[40:25] than 2400 events. We've either

[40:28] hosted or attended connecting

[40:30] with youth is the key focus of

[40:32] this We also have a gaming

[40:33] trailer that's going to be

[40:36] activated this fall for many

[40:37] of the youth gaming is very

[40:38] familiar and comfortable and

[40:39] this will allow special

[40:39] connections with our police

[40:43] officers. The mobile trailer

[40:44] will also allow our officers

[40:46] to visit our use where they

[40:47] are and not force them come to

[40:54] us. We're also calling for a

[40:58] second team so you get we will

[40:59] have public testimony from

[41:00] each of you. So when you're

[41:02] speaking to the microphone to

[41:04] the public, I'm sure you want

[41:06] others to hear you out and

[41:07] listen to So let's hear all

[41:08] says a few more slides to go

[41:09] that you guys get to come up

[41:09] and share your thoughts as

[41:13] well. So again, when you're

[41:15] speaking, you don't want on

[41:15] the scream at you when you're

[41:16] speaking. So let's let her

[41:19] speak look.

[41:35] With chief. Continuing on with

[41:37] community engagement. We're

[41:37] also going to continue and to

[41:39] get our mounted officers in

[41:41] community for more engagement,

[41:42] high visibility and positive

[41:48] community connections. Again

[41:49] with us. Our successes are

[41:51] mobile crisis assistance team.

[41:52] This mental health is an issue

[41:54] that impacts so many across

[41:55] our community. It's a complex

[41:57] and sensitive topic that

[41:58] requires a thoughtful and

[42:01] holistic approach. We

[42:02] recognize that law enforcement

[42:03] MAY not be the best response

[42:05] to mental health calls and

[42:06] we're committed to looking

[42:06] into other options in order to

[42:10] best serve our community. Our

[42:11] mcat teams do bring a

[42:12] collaborative approach,

[42:13] allowing law enforcement to

[42:16] address safety concerns. Well,

[42:17] trained professionals provide

[42:17] critical mental health

[42:21] expertise and resources. Our

[42:25] homeless outreach unit

[42:26] constantly navigates complex

[42:27] situations that require both

[42:30] compassion and enforcement.

[42:31] While addressing the needs of

[42:33] unhoused individuals. We also

[42:35] are maintain public safety and

[42:37] ensure that public spaces are

[42:39] accessible to everyone. Our

[42:40] homeless outreach has touched

[42:42] so many lives of the past

[42:44] year. Nearly 1500 people have

[42:46] been contacted and given

[42:47] resources and we look forward

[42:48] to working alongside our

[42:53] community partners in 2027.

[42:55] Officer wellness is another

[42:56] key priority. And our

[42:57] strategic plan as we move into

[43:01] 2027. We will continue to

[43:02] engage with officers and their

[43:03] families. Not just reactive

[43:05] Lee, but also proactively this

[43:06] year. We've had 5 officers

[43:09] shot in the line of duty,

[43:11] violence of any kind toward

[43:15] officers, unacceptable. And

[43:17] the impact of having officer

[43:18] shot. The sheriff has had a

[43:19] serious ripple effect across

[43:23] our entire agency. Officers

[43:24] see and experience trauma and

[43:25] other physical emotional and

[43:26] psychological demands while

[43:29] serving our community, the

[43:30] health and well-being of our

[43:31] police officers has a direct

[43:35] impact on public safety

[43:37] investing in our officers,

[43:37] insurers, Indianapolis,

[43:39] families, neighborhoods and

[43:40] businesses are served by first

[43:41] responders who are at their

[43:43] best. Annual wellness business

[43:47] are also increasing. We

[43:48] require officers in are most

[43:50] exposed units to participate

[43:51] in those wellness visits. The

[43:54] feedback from those meetings

[43:55] has been overwhelmingly

[43:56] positive and those visits will

[44:01] continue in 2027. Goals for

[44:05] 2027. You've heard me talk

[44:06] about the successes of these

[44:08] various topics and many of our

[44:10] priorities remain the same. We

[44:11] look forward to building on

[44:13] the progress we've already

[44:15] made 2026. As we move into

[44:22] 2027. Plans for impd North

[44:22] District. Speaking of our

[44:26] future. I'm very excited that

[44:29] impd North MAY be getting the

[44:29] first city constructed

[44:33] city-owned impd facility since

[44:34] the 1990's. We often talk

[44:35] about the impact of our

[44:36] facilities. Our officers,

[44:38] employees and the community,

[44:42] the around Israel. While our

[44:43] North District building has

[44:43] served us well for decades.

[44:47] It's also run its course. The

[44:48] proposed new facility will

[44:51] bring a welcoming and inviting

[44:51] space. That's designed to be

[44:53] accessible open and a true

[44:55] part of the neighborhood.

[44:55] We'll have a dedicated

[44:59] community. And open space to

[45:00] host neighborhood association

[45:04] meetings and community events

[45:05] more. It will also provide

[45:07] more interaction. We know the

[45:08] true community policing

[45:09] thrives on connection and this

[45:10] facility will provide the

[45:11] space needed for officers and

[45:12] neighbors to collaborate side

[45:17] by side. We all recognize how

[45:17] important safe modern

[45:19] facilities are for officers

[45:21] and staff. That's why a

[45:22] comprehensive master

[45:24] facilities plan is also

[45:26] underway. That will identify

[45:27] which building should be

[45:28] prioritized for upgrades

[45:29] replacement or new

[45:33] construction. Now I will turn

[45:35] it over to our cfo Paul to get

[45:35] into the nuts and bolts of our

[45:37] budget. Thank you. Chief MISS

[45:45] Hall. Good evening. The 23 79.

[45:46] The better question essential

[45:47] to sustaining for law

[45:48] enforcement operations. Every

[45:51] component, Mike, a little

[45:55] closer. Please Thank you.

[45:56] Every component from vehicles

[45:59] at service, mobile offices to

[46:00] the overtime required for

[46:01] major events is critical to

[46:02] our ability to protect

[46:03] residents and visitors. This

[46:07] budget supports operation

[46:08] operational continuity will

[46:09] strategically leveraging

[46:10] technology to offset staffing

[46:11] shortages and maintain

[46:19] effective policing. Like you.

[46:20] I don't think it a volume

[46:28] control. Okay. So our budget

[46:30] represents all characters,

[46:31] supplies, equipment, contracts

[46:34] and charge backs our budget

[46:35] requests has an increase of 40

[46:39] over 41 Million. With

[46:42] 25 million being in ip

[46:44] general, reduction of 57,000

[46:47] due to a fun shifts. And some

[46:51] new grant funds. Driving

[46:52] factors for increases will be

[46:53] just discussed in next slide.

[46:59] This. Our revenue sources are

[47:01] listed here. I'm peas revenue

[47:02] projections service, a modest,

[47:02] the reliable supplement to

[47:04] support public safety

[47:06] operations. While revenue is

[47:07] not a major funding source for

[47:09] the ipd budget, the end him

[47:10] income generated from record

[47:12] these acts reports violation

[47:13] penalties, help support the

[47:14] everyday services are officers

[47:19] rely on in Fields. The top 3

[47:21] sources of our revenue record

[47:22] Zacks reports and alarm fi

[47:23] violation, fines and

[47:26] penalties. And then we do

[47:28] receive the portion of the

[47:31] funding from the Capital

[47:31] Improvement Board, which is

[47:32] split between impd and I have

[47:38] to you. Grant funding as a

[47:39] vital pillar time these

[47:40] operational capability

[47:41] enabling the department to

[47:42] test new strategies require

[47:44] specialized equipment.

[47:46] Enhanced technology and expand

[47:47] officer bonus programs. These

[47:48] grants allow us to make

[47:49] targeted investments that

[47:50] directly improve our ability

[47:53] to respond to her crying

[47:53] support. Officers and serve

[48:07] the community. Character, wine

[48:07] or personal care, resigned to

[48:08] U.S. Workforce. Ensuring we

[48:09] have the personnel needed to

[48:12] meet public safety demands

[48:13] funding for sworn officers.

[48:14] New recruits, professional

[48:15] staff and negotiated

[48:17] negotiated compensation

[48:18] packages, protect staffing

[48:21] levels and supports retention

[48:22] to write directly impacting

[48:23] her ability to deliver

[48:24] consistent policing services

[48:31] citywide. Our personal budget

[48:31] is approximately 79% of our

[48:35] total overall budget. Our

[48:38] requests includes budget for

[48:42] 17. 43 sworn positions. As

[48:44] well as 258 professional staff

[48:46] positions. It's important to

[48:48] note that not all store in

[48:50] vacancies are budgeted 100%.

[48:51] If they were our budget would

[48:53] be a pact. That would be much

[48:55] higher in coordination with

[48:57] let them we assessed over time

[48:57] in her knees to determine the

[48:59] appropriate amount of budget

[49:03] each year ensure our character

[49:04] one request is realistic and

[49:05] reasonable will meeting our

[49:07] operational needs. If funding

[49:08] is reduced, we will not be

[49:10] able to fill vacant ships or

[49:11] cover events which would

[49:13] jeopardize public safety.

[49:16] There is an additional

[49:19] 21 million dollars included.

[49:23] In our personnel budget which

[49:24] covers union negotiated,

[49:25] raises cost living and just

[49:27] adjustments for non-union

[49:28] personnel and implementation

[49:33] of this step increase program.

[49:34] So I'm the general increases

[49:35] are comprised of the following

[49:37] for salaries around 12 million

[49:39] benefits around 8 Million. We

[49:40] had increase in workers comp

[49:45] of 600,000 and 150,053 1000

[49:59] for the staff and program. It

[50:01] takes a great deal of manpower

[50:02] to keep our city safe during

[50:03] special events and major

[50:05] games. The funding allocated

[50:07] to support overtime ensures

[50:08] community safety during high

[50:10] attendance events and supports

[50:11] traffic control. Emergency

[50:12] response and community

[50:14] engagement over time allows

[50:16] impd to cover the demands for

[50:17] each of without impacting

[50:20] regular patrols. Moving on to

[50:24] our supply budget. There is a

[50:26] modest increase in federal

[50:29] grants of 85,000. We saw a

[50:31] minor reduction little over

[50:33] 1000 Friday general, which is

[50:35] it do our Crime Guns Task

[50:36] Force Grant. It was just a

[50:39] reduced need. First appliance.

[50:40] So there weren't very many

[50:46] changes there. So our supply

[50:49] budget suppliers officers,

[50:50] officers need to safely and

[50:52] effectively perform their

[50:52] duties. This includes

[50:56] uniforms, body armor,

[50:57] investigator tools, animal

[50:57] supplies, parts for committing

[50:58] to be a core pairs office

[51:00] supplies and training

[51:01] materials. The supplies are

[51:02] fundamental to officer safety.

[51:04] Bring this in the quality for

[51:05] investigated a field

[51:09] operation. Supplies are only

[51:11] one percent our total overall

[51:15] budget. He budget changes are

[51:16] due to decreased. As I

[51:16] mentioned previously in the

[51:18] crime, guns test for supply

[51:20] budget and an increase in the

[51:23] of 85,000 for federal grants.

[51:25] A list of items planned uses

[51:26] for the funds has been

[51:27] mentioned previously and is

[51:32] listed on the slide. Other

[51:35] service in churches, a

[51:36] character 3 supports the

[51:39] infrastructure. The keep find

[51:40] pd operational, including our

[51:41] building leases are building

[51:43] maintenance, repair, repair

[51:44] software, licensing equipment,

[51:45] maintenance utilities, and

[51:47] special services. The services

[51:48] ensure officers have

[51:49] functional facilities,

[51:50] reliable technology, and

[51:51] support systems required to

[51:52] sustain modern policing

[51:58] efforts. Services and charges

[51:59] is responsible for 30% of impd

[52:03] is total budget request charge

[52:04] backs increased by

[52:05] approximately 1.6 million

[52:06] between building authority.

[52:12] And I sa. Key drivers of the

[52:17] 2.2 million increase. We're

[52:18] also result of some increases

[52:22] in our grant funding. General.

[52:23] There's a 700,000 increase for

[52:28] Crime Guns Task Force. And

[52:31] there is and remaining 162 k

[52:35] 19, sorry I'm child due known

[52:35] increases execute leases and

[52:40] contracts. The remaining

[52:42] drivers are basically grant

[52:42] funding that additional grant

[52:43] funding we pursued in are

[52:52] expecting awards for.

[52:53] Equipment funds. The major

[52:55] equipment and technology

[52:56] investments that strengthen

[52:56] operational effectiveness.

[52:57] This includes financing

[53:00] payments for approximately 118

[53:02] new vehicles. And our existing

[53:03] financing arrangements for the

[53:05] other. Because we had

[53:10] purchased in prior years. It

[53:10] also covers Florida law

[53:11] enforcement equipment such as

[53:12] communications equipment,

[53:15] drones in technology. These

[53:19] investments officer mobility

[53:19] situation where as long-term

[53:24] departmental readiness.

[53:25] Equipment comprises 4% of the

[53:28] total budget. Impd general

[53:33] increase by 107 1000 to

[53:33] toughen shift from our federal

[53:38] law enforcement funds. And the

[53:39] $50,000 increase for the Crime

[53:41] Guns Task Force Grant, which

[53:44] is also part the general, the

[53:45] state in federal grants

[53:47] responsible for the remaining

[53:47] increase of approximately 4.7

[53:50] million. Our plan is to

[53:50] purchase various law

[53:55] enforcement law enforcement

[53:55] and office equipment cover the

[53:56] cruiser, finance payments,

[53:57] communications equipment and

[54:01] technology. It's important to

[54:02] note that impd did submit a

[54:05] request for new vehicles for

[54:06] 2027. Unfortunately due to the

[54:08] number of requests that all of

[54:08] them received. They were

[54:09] unable to fund our request for

[54:13] the vehicles. As mentioned

[54:14] previously by the chief. Our

[54:16] needs 300 vehicles per year in

[54:17] an order spanned a safe and

[54:20] reliable fleet. As our just

[54:23] maintenance and repairs become

[54:26] more costly. Well, we are

[54:26] grateful for the additional

[54:27] funding this year to pay off

[54:29] the 2021 financing early. We

[54:31] will continue to request

[54:31] additional funding for

[54:37] vehicles. So fleet in occ

[54:38] charge backs Office of

[54:46] Corporation Counsel. Character

[54:47] 5 perversely in Church backs

[54:48] which are essential to

[54:49] maintaining reliable and

[54:52] support police fleet. These

[54:53] costs reflect core operations

[54:53] services than a cervical,

[54:55] think and are available,

[54:55] maintain and ready for daily

[54:59] deployments. There was an

[55:00] increase of approximately

[55:04] 1 million, which is primarily

[55:05] recharge facts, estimating an

[55:06] increase costs for fuel and

[55:11] maintenance needs for 2027.

[55:12] Happy to report. This is the

[55:14] last slide. This is our budget

[55:15] broken down by program area.

[55:16] This is still very new process

[55:20] for us. And we are taking each

[55:21] year in trying to make numbers

[55:23] more accurate and more

[55:23] transparent about what we are

[55:27] funding the police department.

[55:31] The 2027 the budget represents

[55:33] the funding necessary to

[55:34] sustain and strengthen law

[55:36] enforcement operations across

[55:37] Indianapolis. Well, just not

[55:37] addressed every need. It

[55:39] ensures impd remains

[55:40] operational and equipped to

[55:41] serve the growing this growing

[55:45] and dynamic city. That

[55:47] concludes my portion of the

[55:47] presentation and then turn it

[55:48] back over to Chief Terri for

[55:49] her comments. Thank you. Is

[55:53] how should achieve. Thank you.

[55:54] CHAIRMAN Robinson. Well,

[55:56] before we open up for

[55:57] questions, I want to address 2

[55:58] topics that I know of in on

[56:00] the minds of many of you. I

[56:03] want to recognize the

[56:04] emotional impact, the shooting

[56:05] involving Dallas jet has had

[56:08] on so many his family and

[56:10] loved ones. Our officers and

[56:12] their families. Our entire

[56:18] agency, neighbors. And and so

[56:21] many others in our community.

[56:22] In this incident has had a

[56:25] profound effect here. Any use

[56:27] of force, especially deadly

[56:29] force, weighs heavily on all

[56:32] of us. And it's something we

[56:34] all carry with That said, I do

[56:38] want to clarify a few things

[56:39] our community expects

[56:39] information quickly within

[56:41] hours of an incident

[56:42] occurring. And we do our very

[56:48] best to give them just that.

[56:48] The alternative silence simply

[56:52] not acceptable. It's what we

[56:54] shared the night of the

[56:55] incident was the information

[56:56] that we had gathered at that

[56:57] time.

[57:10] You to finish chief. Was

[57:12] preliminary and subject to

[57:14] change. We say that for a

[57:15] reason for every critical

[57:17] incident briefing. The

[57:18] investigation had only just

[57:21] begun. As that investigation

[57:23] progressed, new information

[57:24] was learned and new evidence

[57:38] was uncovered. I bow. If you

[57:40] want to in your statement, you

[57:41] can spend it. I I'm sorry.

[57:42] Sorry. If you want to fit your

[57:43] state, you can enter a

[57:48] statement I would really like

[57:52] finish my say I bowed as chief

[57:56] to be open and transparent

[57:59] through the good and the I can

[58:00] assure you it was not easy to

[58:05] announce that one officer was

[58:08] by a fellow officer. But it

[58:10] was a true labor was the and

[58:16] our community the truth. We

[58:17] had 2 officers shot the one

[58:32] officer. My fellow officer. Is

[58:33] still extremely rap sheet. If

[58:34] you if you don't have do, if

[58:43] you're speaking well, if you

[58:44] want to stop your state, you

[58:45] can stop that. We can move on

[58:51] to questions from committee to

[58:56] It's it's up to you. J

[59:01] with all due respect, MISTER

[59:04] CHAIRMAN. This is our meeting

[59:05] that you're the chair. It

[59:06] should not be up to the chief.

[59:07] She wants to give her

[59:08] statement in order is not in

[59:12] store. This is our resident.

[59:19] Around Again. Our communities

[59:23] deserve the We had 2 officers

[59:24] shot that Yes, one was shot by

[59:29] a fellow officer. A point of

[59:31] order for second MR. CHAIRMAN,

[59:31] like to do a recess for a few

[59:32] minutes to decide to move

[59:47] forward. This is ridiculous.

[59:48] So his to deputy, think we

[59:49] should have some folks coming

[59:51] People out here. And have your

[59:54] team come in little while.

[59:57] Talking to you you have your

[1:00:01] death. We'll have your

[1:00:03] deputies coming to a pr pr, We

[1:00:05] need to start with some of

[1:00:15] these loans. Thank

[1:00:22] I the motion for recess. If

[1:00:23] that was a motion Council I

[1:00:31] second, the motion so to we're

[1:00:32] going remove those continued

[1:00:34] The Ellen Show. So we want to

[1:00:34] do that. So you have your

[1:00:38] deputies come in and and those

[1:00:39] that continue to yell and

[1:00:39] shout over that he was going

[1:00:43] here. So we'll talk just wait

[1:00:45] till so they can come in and

[1:00:46] as they stand in the room with

[1:00:59] something about it. We're not

[1:01:05] going to recess go get him

[1:01:09] out. What to do So those

[1:01:10] individuals, deputy, continue

[1:01:14] to be loud, disruptive as a

[1:01:19] team stock is going to move

[1:01:27] out chief Clinton Please go

[1:01:39] here first. That's doesn't

[1:01:41] spread out. Please, gentleman.

[1:01:42] So that's got to please spread

[1:02:00] out. Most of the room as well.

[1:02:03] So so that they'd been worn.

[1:02:05] And again, we will have for

[1:02:08] public testimony if they yell

[1:02:10] and scream removal

[1:02:17] individually. So you go ahead

[1:02:22] and get him out so again, you

[1:02:25] guys will get a test to speak.

[1:02:26] But, you know, keep speaking

[1:02:27] of the Chiefs. You got your

[1:02:35] driveway. We've got one up. So

[1:02:36] again, deputies as the team

[1:02:38] continues her statement. And

[1:02:38] if they scream and yell over

[1:02:44] her just removal. All right.

[1:02:48] Thank you, CHAIRMAN. Pickup

[1:02:52] where I left off. Which was I

[1:02:54] vowed as chief to be open and

[1:02:55] transparent in the good and

[1:02:59] the bad. I can assure you is

[1:02:59] not easy to announce that one

[1:03:02] officer was shot by a fellow

[1:03:04] officer, but it was the truth

[1:03:04] and our community deserves the

[1:03:08] truth. We had 2 officers shot

[1:03:09] that night. Yes, one was shot

[1:03:12] by a fellow officer but also

[1:03:14] true based on the evidence

[1:03:15] I've reviewed is that Dallas

[1:03:18] jet shot an impd officer.

[1:04:17] Deputies. Again, if you

[1:04:17] haven't screamed got to come

[1:04:19] out here. All right, chief,

[1:04:21] thank you. Thank you.

[1:04:25] CHAIRMAN. He made choices that

[1:04:27] night and one of those choices

[1:04:27] was the fire around that

[1:04:29] struck an impd officer in the

[1:04:31] chest. The evidence confirms

[1:04:32] of the bullet lodged in the

[1:04:33] officer's best came from Jets.

[1:04:35] Gun. Thankfully the officers

[1:04:38] ballistic vest saved his life

[1:04:39] and both of our officers

[1:04:39] continue on the road to

[1:04:44] recovery. Also It also true

[1:05:03] little Over

[1:05:07] Thank you. Chief.

[1:05:12] Thank you. CHAIRMAN. Also true

[1:05:12] is that we have shown the

[1:05:15] family, the unedited body-worn

[1:05:16] camera footage from the

[1:05:18] officers directly involved in

[1:05:19] this incident during that

[1:05:19] meeting we offered for the

[1:05:37] family. All Deputy deputy has

[1:05:55] to go. You have to go the

[1:06:07] thank you. CHAIRMAN. So also

[1:06:08] true is that we've shown the

[1:06:09] family, the unedited body worn

[1:06:09] camera footage from the

[1:06:11] officers directly involved in

[1:06:12] this incident during that

[1:06:13] meeting we offered for the

[1:06:16] family to view additional

[1:06:16] unedited body worn camera

[1:06:17] footage, but they declined

[1:06:20] that offer that is what the

[1:06:21] law requires. And that is what

[1:06:24] we have done. Both the

[1:06:24] administrative and criminal

[1:06:26] investigations into this

[1:06:29] incident are ongoing.

[1:06:30] Therefore, we cannot release

[1:06:31] all video footage and evidence

[1:06:34] at this time. That is not

[1:06:35] appropriate for this case to

[1:06:36] be tried in the court of

[1:06:39] public opinion. We must allow

[1:06:40] the investigative processes to

[1:06:42] do their job based only on

[1:06:44] facts and evidence. We also

[1:06:46] have been respecting the

[1:06:47] family's wishes and are now

[1:06:48] only communicating with them

[1:06:52] through their attorney. I know

[1:06:53] there has been an overwhelming

[1:06:55] amount of misinformation

[1:06:55] circulate circulating on

[1:06:58] social media. Anyone can post

[1:07:01] or say something online. But

[1:07:03] impd is held to a higher

[1:07:05] standard. Our community trusts

[1:07:06] us to provide them with

[1:07:07] accurate and timely

[1:07:09] information. We don't go off

[1:07:11] of rumors or speculation our

[1:07:12] communications are based on

[1:07:15] fact. And when new information

[1:07:15] is learned, we will update

[1:07:18] accordingly. That is our

[1:07:20] commitment to truth.

[1:07:20] Transparency and

[1:07:25] accountability. Now, the

[1:07:25] second topic I'd like to

[1:07:27] address is immigration

[1:07:28] enforcement. Our enforcement

[1:07:30] posture has not changed, but I

[1:07:32] do want to reiterate where we

[1:07:34] stand given the understandable

[1:07:35] fear and confusion throughout

[1:07:40] our community. Impd is not

[1:07:41] actively participating and

[1:07:43] federal immigration sweeps nor

[1:07:47] do we plan to. Impd works

[1:07:48] closely with our federal

[1:07:49] partners every day to hold

[1:07:50] violent offenders accountable

[1:07:54] and we remain committed to

[1:07:54] following all up up like a

[1:07:57] state and federal laws. But as

[1:07:59] a local law enforcement

[1:08:00] agency, our responsibility is

[1:08:03] enforcing state laws and local

[1:08:03] ordinances. We will continue

[1:08:05] to allocate our staffing and

[1:08:06] resources to serving our

[1:08:09] community preventing crime and

[1:08:09] holding violent offenders

[1:08:12] accountable. Impd does not ask

[1:08:13] about immigration status,

[1:08:17] period. Victims and witnesses

[1:08:18] should never hesitate to come

[1:08:20] forward. If you need help or

[1:08:24] are in danger, please call

[1:08:27] 9-1-1. We will respond to help

[1:08:27] and assist because that is

[1:08:30] what impd is all about. Our

[1:08:32] mission remains clear.

[1:08:35] Protecting our neighbors,

[1:08:36] preventing crime and

[1:08:37] strengthen trust in our

[1:08:39] neighborhoods. Regardless of

[1:08:40] immigration status, we're

[1:08:42] committed to serving every

[1:08:44] person who calls in the home.

[1:08:47] Now, CHAIRMAN, I am ready to

[1:08:49] answer questions. Thank you,

[1:08:50] chief. Again, we will have

[1:08:51] public testimony at the

[1:08:52] conclusion of the committee

[1:08:53] members questions, comments or

[1:08:54] questions. Committee members

[1:08:59] scary. Thank you, MR. Chair. I

[1:09:00] understand we were to 10 hour

[1:09:03] shifts 40's week. I'm sure

[1:09:03] housing effect or overtime

[1:09:11] situation. I appreciate the

[1:09:12] question a scary and it's a

[1:09:12] difficult question to answer.

[1:09:15] And we've done this pilot for

[1:09:16] the past 8 months and over

[1:09:17] time has increased. But our

[1:09:17] staffing has also decreased at

[1:09:19] the same time. So it's a

[1:09:20] difficult thing to measure.

[1:09:23] Our hope was that while we

[1:09:24] were still going to require

[1:09:26] overtime to fill staffing

[1:09:28] shortages, the impact of the

[1:09:31] individual officers are theory

[1:09:32] is that it would be less

[1:09:33] because they will be working

[1:09:35] shorter amount of time with

[1:09:36] the setup of the 10 hour

[1:09:40] shifts and the 4 shifts with

[1:09:40] some overlap. Our hope is that

[1:09:42] those additional overtime

[1:09:43] shifts would either be on one

[1:09:45] of the longer stretches of

[1:09:47] days off were that it would be

[1:09:48] in a shorter increment instead

[1:09:50] of pulling a double shift of

[1:09:52] 17 hours that they MAY only

[1:09:52] work for a five-hour extra

[1:09:58] shift additionally they do,

[1:10:00] it's not afford 4 on 4.10,

[1:10:02] hour days in a row. It's it's

[1:10:07] a rotating day schedule that

[1:10:08] allows them up to 5 days off

[1:10:08] in a row during different

[1:10:10] periods of that rotation. And

[1:10:11] I have heard direct feedback

[1:10:12] from officers that have been

[1:10:16] piloting that shift, that they

[1:10:17] do feel more refreshed when

[1:10:19] they come back to work from

[1:10:21] those absences. And in some

[1:10:22] cases, said that they've been

[1:10:23] very excited to return to work

[1:10:24] at the end of their days off.

[1:10:26] Thank Thank you. Cars,

[1:10:31] apartments. Thank you, MISTER

[1:10:34] CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Chief see

[1:10:34] a full Hall for your

[1:10:37] presentation this evening.

[1:10:39] MISTER CHAIRMAN. I have

[1:10:41] several questions. And so I'm

[1:10:43] going to be sensitive to not

[1:10:44] only my colleagues here, but

[1:10:47] also for the community that we

[1:10:50] would love to hear your And so

[1:10:50] Chief, I'm gonna ask you to

[1:10:54] the best of ability to make

[1:10:54] your responses a short and

[1:10:59] direct as possible. I'll stop

[1:10:59] my mice by making a statement.

[1:11:03] I I hold true. The tension,

[1:11:04] the emotions that are in this

[1:11:09] room. I hold true that while

[1:11:13] we recognize that your

[1:11:15] officers, your department show

[1:11:17] up in some of the most

[1:11:20] difficult times that I can

[1:11:20] imagine that your officers

[1:11:24] leave home every morning every

[1:11:24] afternoon with a prayer

[1:11:28] returning back home safe. We

[1:11:29] also hold true that there's a

[1:11:33] community that's hurting. And

[1:11:33] I believe strongly that 2

[1:11:37] things can be true. We can

[1:11:39] celebrate the work of the

[1:11:40] officers. We're supportive.

[1:11:43] And you mention in your

[1:11:44] presentation, the

[1:11:45] administration has been

[1:11:46] supported. This council has

[1:11:49] been supportive by approve in

[1:11:50] the budget of the sense of

[1:11:52] been sitting near this

[1:11:52] increased the last 3 years

[1:11:56] that I've been here, the impd

[1:12:00] reflects almost 25% off the

[1:12:01] budget for the entire and a

[1:12:04] price. 25%. And so we can hold

[1:12:07] that true. But we can also

[1:12:08] hold true that we have

[1:12:10] situations around flock

[1:12:12] cameras around police involved

[1:12:14] shootings are on ice raid that

[1:12:17] the same level off passion is

[1:12:19] conveyed in those moments. And

[1:12:21] I think what we're missing is

[1:12:24] that we celebrate on one and

[1:12:25] what we don't come out with

[1:12:26] the same level of passion when

[1:12:28] you have a community that's

[1:12:29] hurting and that you might

[1:12:31] have some officers, not all

[1:12:34] officers. Well, you might have

[1:12:35] some bad Apple within the

[1:12:36] department. And so chief, I

[1:12:39] want to encourage you. So

[1:12:41] consider that as a part of

[1:12:41] your leadership that that's

[1:12:43] what the community is looking

[1:12:45] for. Right? If something goes

[1:12:46] wrong that we need to hear

[1:12:51] that. And so I want to I want

[1:12:52] to start with that that that

[1:12:53] statement. Let me ask my

[1:12:57] questions. Does this

[1:12:58] particular proposed budget

[1:13:01] reflect the full projected

[1:13:03] scope of impd operations,

[1:13:04] personal and public safety

[1:13:08] needs for 2027, specifically.

[1:13:09] Was this department instructed

[1:13:12] to leave any anticipated

[1:13:13] expenses, our resources needs

[1:13:17] out of this budget with the

[1:13:19] expectation that those need

[1:13:19] will be addressed later

[1:13:21] through either the fall on the

[1:13:24] spin or the spring. Fiscal are

[1:13:25] not a supplemental

[1:13:34] appropriation. Anything that's

[1:13:47] on. So counselor, thank you.

[1:13:50] And I acknowledge the call for

[1:13:52] transparency and

[1:13:53] accountability and equal

[1:13:57] levels of passion through all

[1:14:02] both celebratory and through

[1:14:04] tracked tragedy and challenges

[1:14:05] that both our agency and our

[1:14:06] community is experiencing. So

[1:14:07] thank you for those comments.

[1:14:09] As far as your question about

[1:14:11] the budget, we were not

[1:14:13] instructed to leave anything

[1:14:14] out. We did make budget

[1:14:19] requests to let them based on

[1:14:20] our anticipated needs. And I

[1:14:23] know that cfo Hall did mention

[1:14:24] that. Not all of those

[1:14:25] requests were able to be

[1:14:27] fulfilled a fam, but there's

[1:14:28] not been any specific

[1:14:30] conversations about future

[1:14:30] plans to come back to the

[1:14:32] council and ask for more

[1:14:34] appropriations and others.

[1:14:37] Schools. I know that the bond

[1:14:39] bank decision regarding North

[1:14:41] District is still a separate

[1:14:43] conversation alongside the

[1:14:45] budget. And I know that we

[1:14:48] continue. We will continue to

[1:14:50] work with all them. And the

[1:14:52] council because the needs of

[1:14:54] the fleet have not been fully

[1:14:55] fulfilled. We've been very

[1:14:56] transparent about that. But we

[1:15:00] did make the request the other

[1:15:01] question that still

[1:15:02] outstanding is that we do have

[1:15:05] a collective bargaining

[1:15:07] agreement that is just that

[1:15:07] we're starting negotiations

[1:15:12] for our park Rangers, thank

[1:15:14] MR. To make this of those who

[1:15:14] want to. Thank you, MR.

[1:15:15] CHAIRMAN for that for the

[1:15:19] flexibility the spring fiscal

[1:15:20] allow you to purchase 180 new

[1:15:25] vehicles. Does the department

[1:15:26] currently have any new

[1:15:28] vehicles that I've been

[1:15:29] purchase but are not yet in

[1:15:34] service. We do have some

[1:15:37] vehicles that are still in the

[1:15:38] process of being outfitted by

[1:15:41] and by that, I mean, having

[1:15:41] the protective cages, the

[1:15:46] emergency lights, the proper

[1:15:46] storage. We do have some

[1:15:48] vehicles that have not been

[1:15:48] issued, but that are in our

[1:15:50] fleet because they're still

[1:15:53] being outbid and those are not

[1:15:55] included in 180, that you are

[1:15:56] proved to purchase. You know,

[1:15:57] we have not made a purchase

[1:16:01] yet with that money that was

[1:16:04] freed up by paying off our

[1:16:05] installment early as matter of

[1:16:07] fact. Let me w Chief

[1:16:08] Weddington when we think we're

[1:16:10] going to make those purchases.

[1:16:11] And while the deputy chief is

[1:16:14] coming as well, how many

[1:16:15] vehicles that you have park

[1:16:16] that are not be news right now

[1:16:30] that are brand new vehicles.

[1:16:45] We can't make the purchase for

[1:16:49] the new vehicles. The 180

[1:16:52] projected purchased until the

[1:16:54] budgets approved. Understood.

[1:16:54] I was a question about new

[1:16:55] vehicles that are not be news

[1:16:57] right now and that I've been

[1:16:59] that that I sit in the parking

[1:17:02] lot waiting to be outfitted

[1:17:04] for use I don't have that

[1:17:05] statistic or that number on

[1:17:06] hand. And I'm happy to provide

[1:17:08] that to you on a follow-up

[1:17:11] contact. Thank you that we

[1:17:12] very helpful, MR. CHAIRMAN

[1:17:14] level of flexibility. One more

[1:17:19] council one more one

[1:17:20] currently, you're reporting a

[1:17:22] 20% vacancy and so on

[1:17:22] officers, that is the

[1:17:27] difference between one 1743.

[1:17:28] And then the number officers

[1:17:29] that you have, that's a 20%.

[1:17:33] Plus. A 23% vacancy in

[1:17:39] staffing. In terms of average

[1:17:42] annual costs. How much does is

[1:17:43] it budgeted for a sworn

[1:17:46] officer within your budget?

[1:17:48] And I think our cfo prepared

[1:17:49] for that question. Yes. So

[1:17:49] will we'll turn it over to

[1:17:57] her. Yeah, we budget for the

[1:17:58] whole 17. 43 now for the

[1:17:59] vacancies. Some of those

[1:18:01] positions that are going to be

[1:18:03] used to fund over time. Our

[1:18:07] budget at a lower. Amount. I

[1:18:08] know you budgeted for 73. We

[1:18:10] approve the budget. The

[1:18:12] question is what is the per

[1:18:15] person cost in terms of budget

[1:18:18] 130,000 130,000? Yes. So I

[1:18:18] want the community here this

[1:18:20] that's the apples average cost

[1:18:23] for a budget done. I average

[1:18:30] cost of 130,000 times 360.

[1:18:30] That's almost 40 million

[1:18:37] dollars. That you department

[1:18:40] And what I heard you say. That

[1:18:42] we have spend all of that in

[1:18:46] overtime, at least a 2026, not

[1:18:49] 100%, not 136 of those 300

[1:18:50] positions will be new recruits

[1:18:54] hired in 2027 in 2027. So

[1:18:57] around 220 of those positions

[1:18:59] are going to find overtime for

[1:19:00] staffing shortages. But that

[1:19:04] they'll fall 2027 budget. So

[1:19:05] they will fall. The new

[1:19:07] recruits of fallen 2027.

[1:19:11] Correct? Okay. So the 2026 you

[1:19:11] have almost 40 million

[1:19:16] dollars. That impd is saying

[1:19:19] that you use in 2 wars over

[1:19:20] time and what we have seen at

[1:19:21] least since I've been here for

[1:19:25] the last 3 years an increase

[1:19:26] in your budget request in

[1:19:28] Carrick to one over the 3

[1:19:31] years and the rationale being

[1:19:34] the cba, the increasing costs.

[1:19:35] And I heard the chief said

[1:19:37] that the reason behind this,

[1:19:39] it helps recruit support. But

[1:19:45] yet we're still 20% vacancy.

[1:19:46] And there's a slush fund with

[1:19:49] an impd almost 40 million

[1:19:59] dollars. It's not time. Very

[1:20:00] closely with all of them to

[1:20:01] monitor our character. One

[1:20:04] spends the council receives

[1:20:05] monthly reports on are spent

[1:20:06] as well. That outlines what

[1:20:08] we're spending in character.

[1:20:10] One, the funding is used to

[1:20:10] support our full-time

[1:20:12] personnel to fill vacancies

[1:20:15] and whatever's left covers

[1:20:17] over time. Keep in mind we

[1:20:18] have officers retiring that

[1:20:22] kit. Large payouts to so there

[1:20:23] are a lot of factors involved

[1:20:26] with that 40 million and

[1:20:28] attrition is subtracted as

[1:20:31] well. So what we do is we work

[1:20:33] closely with all them to

[1:20:33] determine what amount we need

[1:20:36] based on trends and what we're

[1:20:38] trending in actual expenses to

[1:20:40] budget for the following year.

[1:20:43] Thank you. Final final

[1:20:43] statement and a question.

[1:20:46] MISTER Chair. Thank you.

[1:20:46] Council statement once the

[1:20:48] statement we're clear about

[1:20:50] budgeted, you gave me average

[1:20:52] costs, which means that their

[1:20:53] officers that are making less

[1:20:56] than 100,130 1000 miles, while

[1:20:57] the others that are making

[1:20:58] more its average parts of

[1:21:02] south. I I just my statement.

[1:21:03] But the point I'm really

[1:21:07] trying to make it is right. We

[1:21:09] oftentimes get question about

[1:21:09] our support for the department

[1:21:10] because we question the

[1:21:13] budget. And hoping that this

[1:21:15] year that's not the case. What

[1:21:18] we're saying, what I'm saying

[1:21:20] is that we fully support the

[1:21:21] department, but we need the

[1:21:23] department to be accountable

[1:21:26] as well. This is 25% of the

[1:21:28] overall budget for the

[1:21:30] enterprise that goes impd.

[1:21:30] That's some real questions

[1:21:33] about. How much we spend in

[1:21:37] overtime. And how much the

[1:21:39] impd the department has in a

[1:21:42] pocket of money. That is set

[1:21:43] aside that we don't get to

[1:21:45] decide on that. Because this

[1:21:49] council did not agree. And

[1:21:52] signed off on You between the

[1:21:53] union and the enterprise. That

[1:21:55] was so the mayor's office. We

[1:21:57] did not lock in that 17. 43

[1:21:59] number, right? That was

[1:22:01] dictated to us that we have to

[1:22:03] fund that. But what's embedded

[1:22:06] in that almost 40 million

[1:22:07] dollars. The department has

[1:22:09] force folks ability. Thank

[1:22:10] you. As the council pres will

[1:22:11] come back to you when come

[1:22:12] back later, comments or

[1:22:12] questions counselors. Comes

[1:22:18] around. They MARCH air for the

[1:22:19] opportunity to sit in. And

[1:22:22] thank you, Chief Gary, for

[1:22:23] your presentation. I first

[1:22:23] just wanted to make a

[1:22:25] statement my own about Dallas

[1:22:26] jet. Appreciate your comments

[1:22:30] here tonight. Chief. And I do

[1:22:33] have to say You mentioned

[1:22:33] swearing to uphold

[1:22:34] transparency and

[1:22:35] accountability. And I think

[1:22:39] you failed at that quite And,

[1:22:40] you know, the strategic plan

[1:22:41] called for community

[1:22:41] partnership. But I think that

[1:22:43] has been a failure as well.

[1:22:44] You know, yes, people were

[1:22:45] disruptive here. People

[1:22:46] interrupted you when you're

[1:22:48] speaking and I regret that.

[1:22:51] But I think the reason anyone

[1:22:52] have to people here are here

[1:22:53] tonight is not because they're

[1:22:54] actually concerned about the

[1:22:55] budget. It's because they've

[1:22:56] been looking for an

[1:22:57] opportunity to talk about this

[1:22:59] very a heartfelt issue where a

[1:23:01] young black man was shot 9

[1:23:02] times in the back. Apparently

[1:23:05] while he was running away and

[1:23:06] because that has not been

[1:23:07] acknowledged or talked about

[1:23:12] in public. Motions got a

[1:23:13] little high and they've got a

[1:23:14] very difficult to sit, still

[1:23:15] waiting for their turn to

[1:23:18] speak. And so I just wanted to

[1:23:18] dross all into that reality

[1:23:24] before before moving on.

[1:23:25] Council Perkins for some

[1:23:25] excellent comments. And I

[1:23:27] would agree with a lot of

[1:23:29] those. I wanted to first have

[1:23:30] a line of questioning about

[1:23:34] flock. Flock cameras. Yeah. I

[1:23:34] noticed the very large federal

[1:23:37] grants and the budget this

[1:23:38] year. You know, I I've known

[1:23:39] that for a few years. You've

[1:23:41] mentioned the real time crime

[1:23:43] center. Silly me. It was until

[1:23:44] this because actually Google

[1:23:44] that phrase and realize that

[1:23:46] is a product sold by flock.

[1:23:49] And so I wanted to know is are

[1:23:50] we paying for the flock? Real

[1:23:53] time crime center software

[1:23:56] products. You in character 3

[1:23:58] funding. We talked about new

[1:23:59] software licenses. You know,

[1:24:00] can you describe what the real

[1:24:03] time crime center is? I guess

[1:24:03] know our our real time crime

[1:24:06] center is not a flock product.

[1:24:10] Real real time crime center is

[1:24:14] dedicated staff out at Rock

[1:24:15] facility where we have

[1:24:17] analysts and vetted alongside

[1:24:21] our sworn officers. They also

[1:24:22] have access to multitude of

[1:24:26] our police systems to try to

[1:24:28] monitor and gather real-time

[1:24:30] intelligence, the relay that

[1:24:31] information to officers that

[1:24:32] are in the field or

[1:24:33] investigators that are in the

[1:24:37] field to try to either prevent

[1:24:38] mitigate or impact crime that

[1:24:41] is taking place in real time.

[1:24:41] Hence the real time crime

[1:24:42] center name. I appreciate

[1:24:49] that. Thank you. In terms of

[1:24:50] the audits, I know your

[1:24:51] presence of Chief Bailey had

[1:24:52] encouraged me to talk directly

[1:24:54] with the flock government

[1:24:55] affairs, folks. What I had

[1:24:57] similar concerns last year and

[1:24:59] Cameron Simmons, the chief.

[1:25:02] Government relations percent

[1:25:05] lock. Let me know that they

[1:25:05] had been routinely telling law

[1:25:06] enforcement that the biggest

[1:25:08] threat when using this

[1:25:10] technology was a lack of

[1:25:11] audits. And so conversations

[1:25:14] with Chief Bailey at the time,

[1:25:15] you know, I indicated what I

[1:25:17] heard from Cameron, which was,

[1:25:18] you know, although some

[1:25:20] departments audit every single

[1:25:20] use of alp ours every single

[1:25:25] day. This they found that most

[1:25:25] departments were auditing

[1:25:26] every single use available ERs

[1:25:29] every quarter. Based on the

[1:25:31] fact that the officer that you

[1:25:32] recommended for termination

[1:25:36] and for potential lawsuits,

[1:25:37] access cameras, according

[1:25:38] washing post 3800 times over

[1:25:40] the course of 10 months. It

[1:25:41] seems clear quarterly auditing

[1:25:43] has not been happening. So can

[1:25:44] you give as many details as

[1:25:46] you can about what that audit

[1:25:47] process looks like? Looks like

[1:25:48] a year ago when I first asked

[1:25:49] questions about it and then

[1:25:50] what it looks like today under

[1:25:56] the new policy. Sure. Thank

[1:25:57] you, counselor. The auditing

[1:25:58] process as I've mentioned, is

[1:26:02] ongoing in underway. There are

[1:26:02] daily auditing activities that

[1:26:06] are taking place currently

[1:26:09] again, as I shared with you

[1:26:09] separate communications that

[1:26:13] were fairly detail, a draft

[1:26:13] policy that we've developed

[1:26:14] where we've made multiple

[1:26:16] changes and improvements to

[1:26:18] that policy. The with respect

[1:26:21] to the level of accountability

[1:26:25] and oversight prevention and

[1:26:26] what you're speaking about as

[1:26:28] far as the auditing tools that

[1:26:28] flock is made available. They

[1:26:30] recently made available and

[1:26:34] spring of this year and ai

[1:26:37] assisted auditing tool. That

[1:26:38] is something that we are

[1:26:39] integrating into our audit

[1:26:42] processees I or to that part

[1:26:44] of that, what I described to

[1:26:45] you was that we were doing

[1:26:49] more spot checking, which to

[1:26:51] me admittedly was clearly not

[1:26:53] enough. It was not sufficient

[1:26:54] sufficient level of auditing

[1:26:55] and oversight. Now, I would

[1:26:59] like to make mention that

[1:27:01] while our retention period is

[1:27:02] 30 days for the captures, the

[1:27:04] photos that are taken by the

[1:27:07] cameras, the search history is

[1:27:11] maintained. And pre-paid and

[1:27:13] purpose perpetually. So we

[1:27:15] don't that doesn't get erased.

[1:27:17] So if there's any suspicion of

[1:27:19] misuse, we will investigate

[1:27:21] that misuse or potential

[1:27:23] misuse verify whether it was

[1:27:26] misuse and then take action

[1:27:27] accordingly. And so again, I

[1:27:29] also mention in my response to

[1:27:32] that, we are in the process of

[1:27:34] converting what is currently a

[1:27:35] standard operating procedure,

[1:27:38] which typically is not

[1:27:39] publicly accessible. We're in

[1:27:41] in the name of transparency

[1:27:42] with an effort to be

[1:27:44] intentional about that. We're

[1:27:46] converting that to a general

[1:27:49] order and we are also going to

[1:27:50] be presenting that to our

[1:27:51] general orders Board, which

[1:27:53] does have community members on

[1:27:55] it. So that we can solicit

[1:27:58] their feedback and get a final

[1:28:00] product that does have and

[1:28:01] reflect community impact

[1:28:06] community input. I picture the

[1:28:08] you know, and the terms of the

[1:28:09] detention policy, I did want

[1:28:09] say I mentioned this to you

[1:28:12] via e-mail as well. But you

[1:28:13] know, at the time that I talk

[1:28:16] with cameras in its last year,

[1:28:16] impd is policy added or

[1:28:17] attention of 180 days flock

[1:28:20] was recommending 30 days the

[1:28:22] time now is moving to 30 days

[1:28:24] and flock is actually putting

[1:28:25] by the fall to 7 days and

[1:28:27] recommending that the police

[1:28:27] departments. So I will say

[1:28:29] that it feels a little

[1:28:31] frustrating to have such a

[1:28:32] well funded and well trained

[1:28:33] police department be so behind

[1:28:34] the times and not paying

[1:28:36] attention to the most recent

[1:28:36] recommendations from the

[1:28:39] company or contracting with.

[1:28:42] That's not I would like That's

[1:28:43] mischaracterizing the

[1:28:44] communication that you and I

[1:28:47] had. And I did tell you that

[1:28:50] we actually I misspoke. We are

[1:28:53] evaluating that retention. A

[1:28:53] period 30 days has been

[1:28:58] implemented for a long time.

[1:28:59] Again, with the general orders

[1:29:00] board. They're going to have

[1:29:02] input on that 7 day retention

[1:29:04] period. And we are trying to

[1:29:05] find out this. I had a

[1:29:06] question from another

[1:29:07] counselor about the 7 day

[1:29:07] retention period. So I

[1:29:09] apologize for getting them

[1:29:10] mixed up. We're trying to get

[1:29:14] information from flock. They

[1:29:15] put that data out there. They

[1:29:18] put a statistic out there that

[1:29:22] said that 90% of our Police

[1:29:23] Department searches occurred

[1:29:26] within 7 days of a crime. And

[1:29:27] what I'm trying to get from

[1:29:29] flock is how is ai and what

[1:29:31] does I am pdt? Is that a show

[1:29:34] as it relates to that

[1:29:34] retention period and what

[1:29:36] would make sense for our

[1:29:37] community and also giving the

[1:29:39] general orders board

[1:29:40] opportunity to provide that

[1:29:41] feedback on what our retention

[1:29:42] period should be. And that's

[1:29:43] why the general order isn't

[1:29:46] draft form right now because

[1:29:49] those are conversations that

[1:29:51] are ongoing. We're absolutely

[1:29:53] not ignoring recommendations

[1:29:54] from flock. We're just trying

[1:29:55] to verify the data that makes

[1:29:56] sense and that's relevant to

[1:30:00] Indianapolis. I appreciate the

[1:30:01] clarification. MR. Just brief

[1:30:03] more on this topic. I've got a

[1:30:04] lot more, but I you that we're

[1:30:05] going to want to to more. Come

[1:30:06] back to you later. Appreciate

[1:30:11] that. So sure they're still

[1:30:12] working through this. And

[1:30:12] understand it's going to be a

[1:30:13] moving target a little bit.

[1:30:18] But how many officers do you

[1:30:19] suspects or believe have

[1:30:21] misused flock cameras with an

[1:30:23] impd and what are the chances

[1:30:26] that a random officer use of

[1:30:27] the lpr is audited to have

[1:30:31] data on either of us. I can

[1:30:32] tell you that like I mentioned

[1:30:34] already, we have daily

[1:30:35] auditing activities to verify

[1:30:37] if there's any additional

[1:30:39] misuse any misuse that's

[1:30:42] discovered will I'll take

[1:30:45] action on that. Like I already

[1:30:46] demonstrated at this time,

[1:30:48] we've only recommended I

[1:30:49] recommend and one officer for

[1:30:50] separation. He suspended

[1:30:51] without pay recommended for

[1:30:53] termination to our Mayor board

[1:30:57] based on his issues, any

[1:30:58] additional ongoing

[1:30:59] investigations or just that to

[1:31:01] the fact-finding missions. And

[1:31:03] I would you know, if if there

[1:31:05] are any other officers that I

[1:31:07] recommend for termination for

[1:31:08] this, I will certainly

[1:31:08] continue in the era

[1:31:09] transparency in that respect.

[1:31:13] As far as the percentage of

[1:31:14] searches that are audited. I

[1:31:15] do not have that data right

[1:31:17] now. It's can be something

[1:31:18] that we continue to have

[1:31:21] discussion on. I appreciate

[1:31:22] that. And just against the

[1:31:23] comment was a clear that all

[1:31:25] but on the subject, you know,

[1:31:26] I used to do quality assurance

[1:31:29] and a call center. And so we

[1:31:30] did real-time monitoring. We

[1:31:32] would we could listen live to

[1:31:33] calls calls every single day,

[1:31:34] you know, but 90% of calls

[1:31:36] never got checked at all. And

[1:31:38] so you could still be doing

[1:31:39] the work and I'm not doubting

[1:31:41] the grant also trying their

[1:31:43] best. But I'm wondering when I

[1:31:45] see an internal affairs

[1:31:45] budget, that is one 4th of the

[1:31:46] federal liaison is budget with

[1:31:48] a 90 d it just makes me wonder

[1:31:50] how much auditing is

[1:31:50] happening. Yeah. Compared to

[1:31:52] how much collaboration with

[1:31:55] federal agencies? Well, I well

[1:31:56] for one thing. Federal

[1:31:57] agencies do not have access to

[1:31:59] our lpr data. I'd like to get

[1:32:04] that out there. Secondly, any

[1:32:06] because the rich, the searches

[1:32:09] are retained and definitely

[1:32:10] any suspected misuse. That

[1:32:10] information is there for us to

[1:32:15] investigate and look at so

[1:32:16] also with the new ai tool that

[1:32:21] Flock has provided to us. It

[1:32:22] does provide more real-time,

[1:32:24] proactive ability for us to

[1:32:26] stay on top of suspected

[1:32:28] misuse that we can follow up

[1:32:28] and investigate. Look into

[1:32:29] that and prevent future

[1:32:31] misuse. I think that also will

[1:32:32] hold officers more

[1:32:34] accountable. Then what we've

[1:32:38] done in the past now any

[1:32:41] again, ongoing audit is

[1:32:42] happening daily. Any suspected

[1:32:44] misuse will be addressed

[1:32:47] appropriately. Thank you to

[1:32:47] Casa Rosada. Back to It was

[1:32:50] the end here. Council boots.

[1:32:51] Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank

[1:32:52] you. Chief cfo for your

[1:32:55] presentation this evening.

[1:32:56] Statement in a couple

[1:32:57] questions you know my time and

[1:32:59] hopefully circle back one,

[1:33:03] just a request we have before

[1:33:04] us that a draft of the amended

[1:33:08] Alpr general order. Anyway, we

[1:33:09] can get a red line versions so

[1:33:11] we can see exactly the changes

[1:33:11] that are being made in the

[1:33:12] current version as compared to

[1:33:15] the original. This is the this

[1:33:16] is what the officers are

[1:33:18] currently operating under has

[1:33:22] an s o p I've had it converted

[1:33:23] to a draft general order

[1:33:24] because this is what we plan

[1:33:24] to present to the General

[1:33:25] Motors board. But the language

[1:33:27] in front of you, the

[1:33:28] procedures in front of you are

[1:33:30] what their operating under

[1:33:35] now. Are you asking for the

[1:33:35] 2023 policy he sets? That is

[1:33:38] in prior communication from

[1:33:39] council Brown. I'm happy to

[1:33:40] provide it to you in a

[1:33:41] separate communication. If you

[1:33:43] like that. Yeah, it was or a

[1:33:44] way to get a redline version

[1:33:48] comparing the 2 my we can. We

[1:33:50] can. I think that one of the

[1:33:51] things that will make it a

[1:33:54] little bit harder to follow is

[1:33:54] that it was previously

[1:33:57] combined. Public safety

[1:33:58] cameras on the whole. And we

[1:34:01] felt like Alpr cameras

[1:34:03] deserved a singular focus and

[1:34:07] that's why we pulled that out

[1:34:08] of up. Another stop that was

[1:34:09] combined with other public

[1:34:11] safety cameras. So but I'm

[1:34:11] happy to provide that to you

[1:34:14] as well. The be helpful. Thank

[1:34:18] you. My question One of the

[1:34:20] issues that I hear most of in

[1:34:25] my area is is traffic problems

[1:34:26] speeding running red lights,

[1:34:32] it that causes a lot of

[1:34:32] accidents. We've got a lot of

[1:34:33] vision, 0 issues. We've had

[1:34:37] some hit and run deaths. What

[1:34:38] is in But yet I saw nothing

[1:34:41] mentioned in the presentation

[1:34:44] about traffic control and I

[1:34:47] know are our revenue from

[1:34:48] tickets. Not that asking you

[1:34:49] to go on to get our whole

[1:34:51] population. But that revenue

[1:34:52] has gone down considerably are

[1:34:53] writing of tickets has gone

[1:34:57] down considerably the result

[1:34:58] is it's a wild wild west out

[1:35:01] on our streets. Sometimes.

[1:35:04] What do you have in mind for

[1:35:04] improving traffic control this

[1:35:08] coming year? Well, I did

[1:35:11] mention in my presentation,

[1:35:12] our transparency website and

[1:35:16] there Traffic statistics

[1:35:18] located at that transparency

[1:35:18] website. So you can see the

[1:35:23] traffic stop data. There's

[1:35:25] also we have under Chief

[1:35:27] Bailey's tenure. We did add to

[1:35:32] our traffic unit and with our

[1:35:33] staffing challenges. Frankly,

[1:35:37] it's hard sometimes to do more

[1:35:38] proactive work. But when we

[1:35:40] get those traffic complaints,

[1:35:41] which we've also improved the

[1:35:42] process of receiving the

[1:35:44] traffic complaints by

[1:35:45] providing that that link and

[1:35:49] then streamlining that data to

[1:35:50] the impacted neighborhoods. So

[1:35:51] the officers that worked that

[1:35:52] area and our traffic unit, as

[1:35:55] a matter of fact, on my way

[1:35:56] into work this morning, I

[1:35:57] passed one of our traffic

[1:36:00] officers that was running

[1:36:02] radar, doing traffic on Bull

[1:36:03] Creek Parkway and certainly

[1:36:08] committed to addressing

[1:36:09] particular traffic complaints.

[1:36:11] I hear 2 counselor. I was at a

[1:36:12] community meeting last week

[1:36:13] and it was brought up and they

[1:36:16] also asked for a red light

[1:36:18] traffic cameras to be brought

[1:36:19] here. So I'll just share that

[1:36:23] feedback with u n. They also

[1:36:25] asked Alpr cameras could help

[1:36:28] with red light and traffic

[1:36:30] violations, which I explained

[1:36:30] that it's really not designed

[1:36:32] to function like that. But our

[1:36:34] officers will do all that.

[1:36:36] They can. We have some of our

[1:36:38] officers that are not in the

[1:36:40] running to the taking 9-1-1.

[1:36:42] Calls that can address those

[1:36:43] traffic complaints and they do

[1:36:45] quite often. I know several

[1:36:46] North district officers in our

[1:36:50] community relations do that.

[1:36:50] Clearly, it's not enough. We

[1:36:51] we want to have a safe

[1:36:52] community where everybody

[1:36:55] feels safe on the roads and

[1:36:56] people feel like there's a

[1:36:57] chance that they MAY be held

[1:36:59] accountable for their driving

[1:37:00] behavior. And that's our our

[1:37:01] responsibility and our job to

[1:37:03] do that. So please keep the

[1:37:04] communication open so that we

[1:37:08] can address those issues.

[1:37:10] Originally looking back to the

[1:37:11] summer of 2021 and some of the

[1:37:14] civil unrest we had, my

[1:37:18] understanding was at the time

[1:37:19] that was understanding patrol

[1:37:21] officers that unless you had

[1:37:24] other probable cause, if you

[1:37:25] are at a stoplight and someone

[1:37:28] blatantly ran it, you could

[1:37:30] not go after them unless you

[1:37:31] had another reason such as

[1:37:32] license plate popped up

[1:37:35] something like that, that

[1:37:37] there was order not to engage

[1:37:39] the public to minimize the

[1:37:40] engagement roadside

[1:37:42] engagements that at the time

[1:37:45] at the height of problems

[1:37:46] nationwide. There anything

[1:37:48] still lingering to that effect

[1:37:51] or our officers encouraged?

[1:37:51] You see a traffic violation

[1:37:55] act on it. Yes, sir. To my

[1:37:58] knowledge, there's there's

[1:37:59] certainly not order for me to

[1:37:59] not engage with the public. We

[1:38:01] encourage officers to be

[1:38:03] proactive, especially when

[1:38:04] they're able to one of the

[1:38:06] things that we're trying to

[1:38:07] measure. Again, I mentioned a

[1:38:07] lot about driven

[1:38:11] decision-making. One of the

[1:38:12] things that we've been trying

[1:38:13] to improve on is getting

[1:38:16] accurate data on. What exactly

[1:38:17] is the gist discretionary time

[1:38:21] that our officers have. Are we

[1:38:21] asking is it realistic that

[1:38:22] we're asking them to make all

[1:38:23] these traffic stops or are

[1:38:26] they are literally on run to

[1:38:28] run, to run, to run for their

[1:38:30] entire shift. How much times

[1:38:31] it taking them to enter in a

[1:38:32] police report when they get

[1:38:33] one. How much time is it

[1:38:37] taking them to enter in a

[1:38:39] special report? If they've you

[1:38:40] had to use force they've been

[1:38:41] engaged in a vehicle, pursue

[1:38:43] door if they had some other

[1:38:47] report. That's not crime. So

[1:38:47] we're trying to get accurate

[1:38:49] data so that we can answer

[1:38:51] those questions and understand

[1:38:53] really where we are with their

[1:38:55] discretionary time in the

[1:38:56] meantime, we are we are

[1:38:58] continuing encourage them were

[1:38:59] sharing those traffic

[1:39:01] complaints with them. Officers

[1:39:01] that are working those beets.

[1:39:02] They take real ownership of

[1:39:05] that. It matters to them. It's

[1:39:06] our job to make sure they know

[1:39:07] about those traffic complaints

[1:39:09] so that they can address them.

[1:39:12] And then we'll leverage our

[1:39:12] traffic unit and are our

[1:39:14] proactive units like community

[1:39:17] relations. Some of our violent

[1:39:18] crime task force units at

[1:39:21] times can be tasked with that.

[1:39:22] Good, great final question.

[1:39:22] What makes their and

[1:39:27] COUNCILMAN Phase one here

[1:39:27] special events. Indianapolis

[1:39:31] is prides itself on that. But

[1:39:32] I also appreciate that's a

[1:39:34] considerable expense. That the

[1:39:37] taxpayers bare. We typically

[1:39:40] do not charge. The nfl. The

[1:39:44] nba. In 500, all these big

[1:39:47] events. We just pay all that

[1:39:49] over time. And back to

[1:39:52] counselor Perkins point of

[1:39:53] that's tens of millions of

[1:39:55] dollars that we pay overtime

[1:39:58] to put all these events. Why

[1:40:00] are we looking at getting at

[1:40:03] least some user fee to charge

[1:40:05] some of these folks to help

[1:40:08] pay for our security because

[1:40:09] our taxpayers are paying for

[1:40:12] all that. So I Thank you

[1:40:17] council. I did get some

[1:40:20] information on the Capital

[1:40:22] Improvement Board and a an

[1:40:23] annual contribution that they

[1:40:27] do make to public safety for

[1:40:29] budgets and impd gets 1.8

[1:40:31] 5 million annually added to

[1:40:33] our budget from the cip. So

[1:40:37] that's one part of the answer.

[1:40:39] A second thing that we're

[1:40:45] discussing is we we do the

[1:40:46] sports teams, our traffic unit

[1:40:49] for escorts of the

[1:40:49] professional teams. I think

[1:40:53] that we're weak in an

[1:40:54] evaluation phase. But

[1:40:56] comparing our fees to some of

[1:40:57] the other fees across the

[1:41:00] country. I think we have

[1:41:01] opportunity to re evaluate the

[1:41:02] what those fees look like and

[1:41:03] try to recruit more of our

[1:41:06] expenses on that front. But I

[1:41:08] think that and I MAY be

[1:41:12] speaking out of turn in some

[1:41:13] respects. It's certainly

[1:41:14] important to to staff these

[1:41:18] events in a safe way. It is a

[1:41:19] huge draw on our resources. It

[1:41:21] is a huge impact to our

[1:41:23] officers who have seen an

[1:41:25] increasing number of cancel

[1:41:27] days off on their calendar in

[1:41:28] JANUARY every year when that

[1:41:29] calendar comes out and we

[1:41:33] have, you know, every 4th of

[1:41:36] JULY is canceled for our

[1:41:37] officers. It's not a time for

[1:41:40] them to go and celebrate with

[1:41:41] their loved ones. It's a time

[1:41:41] for them to make sure our

[1:41:45] Indianapolis stay safe. Every

[1:41:46] memorial weekend is a canceled

[1:41:50] a off for the Indy 500. Those

[1:41:51] are real impacts that are that

[1:41:52] are just simply not tangible.

[1:41:55] At the same time we have to

[1:41:56] maintain staffing throughout

[1:42:00] the city while also directing

[1:42:01] a lot of resources to

[1:42:01] concentrated area to keep

[1:42:05] those events safe. That does

[1:42:06] require those cancel days off

[1:42:08] require part of that over time

[1:42:09] as well. So do I think that

[1:42:13] we're recouping one for one on

[1:42:16] all these special events know

[1:42:18] I would I would welcome an

[1:42:19] invitation to conversations to

[1:42:20] what that process looks like

[1:42:23] at the city level from a

[1:42:24] public safety standpoint and

[1:42:25] what that impact public safety

[1:42:28] is. I think one of the things

[1:42:28] that we all have to think

[1:42:32] about. Is what brings people

[1:42:34] to our special events in our

[1:42:35] city for these special events

[1:42:38] for these conventions. It's

[1:42:38] certainly not the lakes in the

[1:42:40] mountains that we have in

[1:42:43] Indianapolis. It's the safe

[1:42:47] walkable downtown. That's

[1:42:48] conveniently located where

[1:42:49] they feel welcomed by who's

[1:42:50] your hospitality right? And

[1:42:55] so. That's a that's a decision

[1:42:57] that's bigger than my seat.

[1:42:59] But I do welcome an invitation

[1:43:01] to the seat at the table for

[1:43:03] those conversations. Thank

[1:43:04] you. And I know that that

[1:43:05] power does not lie within your

[1:43:08] scope of your office, I make

[1:43:10] that issue and bring it up

[1:43:11] publicly every year. So this

[1:43:13] was my opportunity. Thank you.

[1:43:14] Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank

[1:43:21] you. Council council hours.

[1:43:22] Thank you, MR. Chair and

[1:43:24] chief. Thank you and your your

[1:43:24] command staff entering final

[1:43:25] out there tonight. And every

[1:43:26] day out there for us for being

[1:43:29] here. Appreciate the work you

[1:43:31] do. I know it's a thankless

[1:43:32] job and belong shoulders and I

[1:43:33] take a lot of pride in what

[1:43:38] you do and thank you for that.

[1:43:39] You've up Clay. Interesting.

[1:43:40] You mentioned the red light

[1:43:43] cameras. To my understanding.

[1:43:44] Is that something that would

[1:43:45] have to come from the state

[1:43:46] House first? That's not

[1:43:50] currently legal. Is Yes, I and

[1:43:51] in the neighborhood meeting, I

[1:43:53] mention to the neighbors that

[1:43:55] patients start talking to

[1:43:56] their lawmakers about that. If

[1:43:57] that's something that they

[1:43:57] want to see in there and their

[1:44:01] community. All absolute if we

[1:44:03] do get to that point here in

[1:44:04] Indianapolis because I think

[1:44:05] we've seen with of the flock

[1:44:06] cameras when flood public's

[1:44:09] trust in that can't imagine

[1:44:10] what a ticket would do from

[1:44:13] camera. You should be have.

[1:44:14] Have officers that can do

[1:44:19] that. Not rely on technology

[1:44:20] the cars you had mentioned

[1:44:23] forgive me if you said the

[1:44:24] number, but that you are

[1:44:26] tonight in your budget. What

[1:44:27] was fiscal requests for those

[1:44:34] cars and how many? The request

[1:44:36] was for 300 vehicles. The

[1:44:38] estimated cost was around

[1:44:40] 13 million, but we were

[1:44:41] planning to finance that. So

[1:44:43] we would have needed financing

[1:44:44] payments. And of course, there

[1:44:44] are variables involved this

[1:44:46] far as interest rates what we

[1:44:49] could purchase at the time.

[1:44:55] Was it about 3? Yeah, actually

[1:44:57] like we we told them we need

[1:45:00] it. 13 million to purchase the

[1:45:04] vehicles to be financed. So

[1:45:05] yeah, we are anticipating

[1:45:12] around 3.2 million. Think we

[1:45:13] had the same conversation last

[1:45:13] year and the frustration, I

[1:45:14] for a lot of us with the set

[1:45:18] at the time to was that. Ok,

[1:45:19] we're not going to do in the

[1:45:20] budget. Wreckage can down the

[1:45:21] road, granted strength in in

[1:45:26] the fall. What is that worth

[1:45:27] to the control? I want it to

[1:45:28] be known that I think we're

[1:45:29] all getting a little tired

[1:45:31] exhausted. That tactic. It's

[1:45:32] not your fault or at all. I

[1:45:33] don't want you folks. I think

[1:45:34] you're working with in the

[1:45:35] balance that you have to work

[1:45:36] within. But I think we need

[1:45:41] to. Stop kicking the can down

[1:45:43] the road. We're going just do

[1:45:44] like that's what I'm here is

[1:45:44] for the budget is to put a

[1:45:46] budget together that we can

[1:45:47] look at and say, here's what

[1:45:48] we just had. Our expenses are

[1:45:49] going to be. And here's what

[1:45:53] we're gonna bring in. And

[1:45:54] doing the spread, doing it

[1:45:56] that way through the spring

[1:45:58] fiscal it seems seems wrong.

[1:45:59] So I think for whatever it's

[1:46:00] worth, think we need to try to

[1:46:01] figure out how you change

[1:46:06] that. The cbo, the park

[1:46:07] Rangers lost on MR. Chair of

[1:46:07] Promise here. How many

[1:46:13] partners that we have? I think

[1:46:15] it's 5 currently and of our

[1:46:19] hope is that we can get 3

[1:46:20] additional into a tear to

[1:46:22] academy. And I starting, think

[1:46:23] it's in JANUARY. So the

[1:46:27] process is open. We're looking

[1:46:28] for applicants and we're

[1:46:32] hoping to add to their ranks.

[1:46:32] I mean, that's the most

[1:46:33] respectful way. She if you

[1:46:41] think are, you know, 5. Yes,

[1:46:41] that is a number that I had

[1:46:43] looked it. Yes, it was 5

[1:46:46] officers you have right now 13

[1:46:47] 83. I would expect, you know,

[1:46:50] the same number with with a

[1:46:51] park ranger. So please compare

[1:46:52] Thank you. Thank you, Mallory

[1:46:57] Council Delaney. Thank you,

[1:47:01] MR. Chair thank you. Chief

[1:47:02] stabbed for coming here

[1:47:02] tonight filling the room full

[1:47:06] of officers as well. Want I

[1:47:08] want to reiterate a counselor,

[1:47:08] but said that I do hear quite

[1:47:10] a bit about traffic issues in

[1:47:11] my district and I'm grateful

[1:47:14] that. That's the number one

[1:47:16] thing that I'm hearing about.

[1:47:17] And as we see that violent

[1:47:19] crime is down, I think folks

[1:47:20] are really concentrating on

[1:47:22] their own neighborhood safety.

[1:47:22] Most of my neighborhoods don't

[1:47:23] have sidewalks. And so folks

[1:47:26] are concerned about getting

[1:47:27] run off the road with their

[1:47:29] kids inside Jen speeding cars

[1:47:31] North district has been really

[1:47:32] great trying to work with me

[1:47:34] and doing speed patrols. But

[1:47:36] those are such a one-off that

[1:47:37] it feels like we could have

[1:47:39] more. And I know it's a bigger

[1:47:39] conversation. But again, I

[1:47:41] just want to reiterate that

[1:47:42] that is one of the biggest

[1:47:44] issues that I hear about is

[1:47:46] just speeding in crazy driving

[1:47:48] and things like that. And so.

[1:47:50] Dpw has a lot of programs to

[1:47:53] help with the bill environment

[1:47:55] and trying to slow folks down.

[1:47:59] I'd like to see more from impd

[1:47:59] getting creative things like

[1:48:00] that in terms of how do we use

[1:48:02] enforcement as well to try to

[1:48:04] help control behaviors just

[1:48:06] generally following up on the

[1:48:11] budget presentation. You have

[1:48:12] a line in here that the

[1:48:13] federal grants are increasing

[1:48:16] by 14 million this year. And

[1:48:17] we've heard from a lot of

[1:48:21] other agencies that they are

[1:48:21] sure that they're getting the

[1:48:22] federal grants. They're

[1:48:23] hopeful that they'll come

[1:48:26] through and years of increased

[1:48:27] more than doubled from this

[1:48:28] year from last. Was hoping you

[1:48:29] could talk a little bit more

[1:48:31] and I MAY for this cause. You

[1:48:33] are getting drowned out at

[1:48:33] some point. So apologize if

[1:48:37] you're having to retrain here,

[1:48:38] but could you talk about what

[1:48:39] what those are going towards

[1:48:42] like? Are they filling a gap

[1:48:43] or are they creating new

[1:48:46] programs? Are they have? And

[1:48:47] then secondarily, have you

[1:48:48] already been given those

[1:48:49] funds? Are you expecting to

[1:48:54] receive them? We are expecting

[1:48:55] to receive them the fall of

[1:48:59] this year and in early next

[1:49:01] year we've applied for

[1:49:04] additional funding for law

[1:49:04] enforcement mental health And

[1:49:07] we applied for some cybercrime

[1:49:08] grants. We have 5

[1:49:09] discretionary funding awards

[1:49:13] that were expecting. All a lot

[1:49:15] of them do fill gaps there for

[1:49:16] equipment that we need. There

[1:49:19] are. I can remember there's

[1:49:23] Lake. I can't remember

[1:49:24] exactly, but I can get back

[1:49:25] with you on exactly what what

[1:49:28] those grants would cover. But

[1:49:30] a lot of its new funding. Some

[1:49:30] are overtime projects to

[1:49:34] swell. Thank you that that's

[1:49:35] all I have. MISTER Chair of

[1:49:39] around thank you, MR.

[1:49:42] CHAIRMAN. Also want to thank

[1:49:44] you for the way that you

[1:49:45] conducted the meeting this far

[1:49:46] this evening. I think you do

[1:49:48] that very well, counselor. I

[1:49:52] think when you and ask

[1:49:54] yourself what makes a good

[1:49:56] chief police in Indianapolis

[1:49:59] and you go back. It is those

[1:50:02] chiefs to handle policy and

[1:50:07] procedure who take issues head

[1:50:08] on handle very difficult

[1:50:10] events and situations often

[1:50:12] times that can't be

[1:50:13] anticipated it and they do so

[1:50:17] in a significant And that's

[1:50:18] not always easy. And in chief,

[1:50:22] I would just say to you then I

[1:50:23] think in the last 7 months

[1:50:24] you've worked very hard.

[1:50:26] Through all of these different

[1:50:28] issues. Those that can be

[1:50:30] planned for in those can't to

[1:50:32] address them in a significant

[1:50:34] way. Whatever that means

[1:50:35] everybody, significant can be

[1:50:37] a relative term. But I think

[1:50:39] that you have worked to handle

[1:50:42] these issues in a significant

[1:50:44] way. And I appreciate that.

[1:50:44] Not all chiefs over the years

[1:50:46] have been able to do so. And

[1:50:49] so I think it's a great a

[1:50:50] tribute to your leadership

[1:50:53] style thus far. I would like

[1:50:53] to talk about the 10 hour

[1:50:56] work. That the shift to 10

[1:51:01] hours. Some of the concerns

[1:51:03] I've heard in the Perry

[1:51:03] Township community and I don't

[1:51:06] believe them to be true, but I

[1:51:07] just thought maybe you could

[1:51:09] talk to those the South side.

[1:51:10] The idea would be that you're

[1:51:16] able to. Shifts together in a

[1:51:17] way that would provide

[1:51:18] additional officers and some

[1:51:21] of those peak times. The

[1:51:23] concern that I've heard is

[1:51:25] that those non peak times

[1:51:29] would have less officers and

[1:51:29] therefore less manpower on the

[1:51:32] streets. It's safe to say that

[1:51:34] even though we've moved to

[1:51:38] these 10 hour shifts, then our

[1:51:41] residents can be assured that

[1:51:41] the quality of their policing

[1:51:43] would not be diminished

[1:51:44] regardless of what shift would

[1:51:46] be. That's correct. That's

[1:51:48] correct. Then an the hours

[1:51:53] that are. The lowest staffing

[1:51:54] are typically between 02:00am

[1:51:57] and 06:00am and that shift

[1:52:00] that gets off around 02:00am

[1:52:01] inevitably is prepared to stay

[1:52:02] over. If there's something

[1:52:05] significant going on in the

[1:52:06] city. So those are the hours

[1:52:08] that we're talking about when

[1:52:12] most neighbors are our sleep

[1:52:12] and the officers and

[1:52:17] supervisors always have if

[1:52:18] there's some significant event

[1:52:22] or incident happening, we can.

[1:52:23] Differ low priority calls to a

[1:52:26] later time. Right before we

[1:52:27] can take an online report, we

[1:52:30] can take a low low priority

[1:52:31] call at a later time and

[1:52:33] different and handle

[1:52:35] emergencies. Our main priority

[1:52:38] is keeping our residents safe

[1:52:39] and they should know that when

[1:52:41] they call 9-1-1. Impd will

[1:52:45] show up for them. So

[1:52:46] regardless of how we

[1:52:47] strategically allocate that

[1:52:48] staffing and how we have

[1:52:50] stacked the shifts, we've have

[1:52:52] strategically stack those

[1:52:54] shifts to give us the most

[1:52:55] coverage during our highest

[1:52:59] volume of calls for service. I

[1:53:00] appreciate that. Chief I I pd

[1:53:01] and impd of always, I think to

[1:53:04] a great job with what and

[1:53:06] sometimes it's called creative

[1:53:10] scheduling in the 1980, 7 Pan

[1:53:11] American Games and today impd.

[1:53:13] So we sent a fabulous job

[1:53:14] throughout Indianapolis and

[1:53:16] Marion County. Expect that to

[1:53:18] continue. Do you anticipate

[1:53:20] with the way that those 10

[1:53:22] hour shifts will be working,

[1:53:23] that things that some of my

[1:53:23] colleagues have talked about

[1:53:25] like increased traffic

[1:53:27] patrols. Do you see more

[1:53:28] opportunities for those type

[1:53:30] of control, those type of

[1:53:32] practices due to the fact

[1:53:32] there might be additional

[1:53:33] officers on the beat at one

[1:53:37] time. Yes, as a matter of

[1:53:38] fact, one of the benefits

[1:53:39] can't believe. I did mention

[1:53:42] this before. Now some of my

[1:53:43] staff is probably screaming at

[1:53:44] me and their heads for not

[1:53:48] saying earlier. One of the

[1:53:49] benefits of the 10. Our model

[1:53:51] is that ever so often there's

[1:53:52] what we call an overlap day.

[1:53:53] And that's when all the

[1:53:55] staffing is all the officers

[1:53:55] are are working at the same

[1:54:01] time. So that affords our

[1:54:04] officers to do more proactive

[1:54:06] projects and affords beat

[1:54:08] officers to tackle a an issue

[1:54:09] in their particular beat or

[1:54:09] their zone with their

[1:54:13] partners. Maybe it's they get

[1:54:14] an undercover car and they

[1:54:15] catch a burglar or maybe it is

[1:54:17] a traffic enforcement detail.

[1:54:21] But they have all shared

[1:54:22] feedback that those overlap

[1:54:24] days or something that they

[1:54:28] enjoy. We're staffing is is

[1:54:30] this heavier? They have more

[1:54:33] flexibility and then obese or

[1:54:34] fuller. They're also

[1:54:35] opportunity for us to provide

[1:54:36] some additional training on

[1:54:37] those overlap days because we

[1:54:41] get the whole shift together.

[1:54:41] Nobody is on their days off

[1:54:43] unless they've taken time off.

[1:54:44] So the overlap days do offer

[1:54:48] that from time to time. And

[1:54:51] it's not a set schedule. So

[1:54:51] you can't really predict and

[1:54:53] we can. But it shouldn't be

[1:54:55] noticeable to the public. I

[1:54:56] just think that's so important

[1:54:59] to know that them there are

[1:55:00] those opportunities, new

[1:55:02] opportunities that will exist

[1:55:07] with these overlap days, too

[1:55:07] increase different areas MAY

[1:55:08] be that we aren't always able

[1:55:11] to focus on. Not only is it

[1:55:12] overwhelmingly popular by rank

[1:55:16] and file officers. I think it

[1:55:17] also has an opportunity to

[1:55:18] build camaraderie amongst the

[1:55:21] troops as well. So I think

[1:55:21] it's a positive step. I think

[1:55:23] it's good that the

[1:55:25] administration has moved this

[1:55:25] way and I'm so happy that the

[1:55:28] that the rank and file have

[1:55:29] also show overwhelming

[1:55:31] support. So I look forward to

[1:55:33] seeing how that works. I think

[1:55:35] it also gives us the ability

[1:55:36] to really continue to go back

[1:55:38] to the community place,

[1:55:39] community policing style that

[1:55:41] maybe we saw back in the 90's

[1:55:43] where we see officers walking

[1:55:44] neighborhoods again. And I

[1:55:47] know it's so hard when we have

[1:55:48] a deficits on numbers, but

[1:55:49] nevertheless, very important

[1:55:52] to continue to strive for. My

[1:55:53] last question is just you

[1:55:56] mentioned that 3 recruits, the

[1:55:57] largest class and in 4 years,

[1:56:03] it's trending up folks. Submit

[1:56:06] their application to join impd

[1:56:08] in that initial process. Do

[1:56:10] you ask them what led them to?

[1:56:14] Take that step? And if so, is

[1:56:16] there anything that you've

[1:56:17] noticed that the council, the

[1:56:18] police department, the

[1:56:19] administration, has been

[1:56:22] investing in seems to be

[1:56:23] paying off in the greatest way

[1:56:25] or is it more of them next?

[1:56:28] Thank you for that question.

[1:56:32] That is something that we have

[1:56:33] recently implemented as a part

[1:56:35] of re envisioning our hiring

[1:56:37] process in our recruitment and

[1:56:37] retention strategies is

[1:56:40] getting that data from our

[1:56:41] applicants. And from our new

[1:56:43] hires, we just got surveys

[1:56:46] back from the last class that

[1:56:48] we swear-in and we've had

[1:56:52] discussions about going back 2

[1:56:53] classes the last several

[1:56:56] classes and trying to get that

[1:56:57] same information. That's

[1:56:58] something as we started

[1:57:00] evaluating our recruiting or

[1:57:02] retention, that we were really

[1:57:04] missing was data that would

[1:57:05] help guide our decision-making

[1:57:09] on. What was bringing people

[1:57:10] through the And it totally

[1:57:13] it's a heart to serve. We are

[1:57:15] seeking people who have a

[1:57:16] heart to make an impact in

[1:57:18] their community. And that

[1:57:19] takes a special person to step

[1:57:20] up step forward and do that

[1:57:24] right now. So I'm happy to

[1:57:26] follow up ongoing with

[1:57:26] communication with you as we

[1:57:28] get some additional data from

[1:57:29] those surveys as we go further

[1:57:31] back recruit classes with that

[1:57:34] information. I appreciate

[1:57:35] that. Chief. I think that is

[1:57:36] critically important when the

[1:57:39] council has talked about

[1:57:40] things specifically with the

[1:57:41] American rescue plan. And when

[1:57:43] we had dollars available and

[1:57:45] we made efforts to invest in a

[1:57:46] variety of different

[1:57:49] initiatives and programs.

[1:57:51] Obviously, we have to use data

[1:57:53] and sorts of methods to be

[1:57:55] able to determine simply what

[1:57:56] was what wasn't effective in

[1:57:59] the truth is this city for

[1:58:00] many years like any other

[1:58:02] major city across America.

[1:58:03] Going to invest in things that

[1:58:06] don't always work. But in the

[1:58:07] same respect, they're going to

[1:58:08] be investing in things that

[1:58:12] are so significant for the

[1:58:13] forward progress of their

[1:58:15] city. And so I think we have a

[1:58:17] better idea of what those

[1:58:19] sayings are coming from. Those

[1:58:22] applicants. It will give here

[1:58:23] at the council, a greater

[1:58:27] ability to ensure that those

[1:58:29] areas are fully to ensure that

[1:58:30] we continue to see that upward

[1:58:32] trend. Thank you. You can also

[1:58:37] make Michael part. Thank you,

[1:58:38] CHAIRMAN. Thank you, chief for

[1:58:39] the presentation. First always

[1:58:43] say. I'm extremely grateful

[1:58:44] for impd the work. You do a

[1:58:45] leadership in the room, but

[1:58:47] also the folks that out on the

[1:58:50] street. I had a lot of

[1:58:50] opportunity to enter

[1:58:51] engagement both through round

[1:58:52] tables. I've hosted. I've been

[1:58:55] to small business group

[1:58:59] conversations I've done ride

[1:58:59] Alongs. Tattoo events to hear

[1:59:03] directly from the community.

[1:59:04] And, you know, the sentiment

[1:59:04] rings true. I'm talking to the

[1:59:09] community. They want basically

[1:59:10] what you expect out of

[1:59:10] government. Her core

[1:59:12] foundation is is public safety

[1:59:13] nets. Impd is a part of that.

[1:59:14] The fire department's part of

[1:59:16] that g m s even dpw is a part

[1:59:17] of that economic development

[1:59:21] is part of that. But you carry

[1:59:22] the brunt of is. There's a lot

[1:59:25] of expectations on impd in

[1:59:28] every single one of those

[1:59:28] officers that are there that

[1:59:29] want to talk to constituents,

[1:59:32] they want the same thing they

[1:59:33] want drugs off the street.

[1:59:34] They want guns off the street

[1:59:35] and they want criminals off

[1:59:36] the street and it's your job

[1:59:40] to do that. And that's the

[1:59:41] hard job. That is a very hard

[1:59:43] job to do. And I'm I'm

[1:59:43] grateful that every single

[1:59:46] officer we have is doing that

[1:59:46] want to sound like a broken

[1:59:47] record, not just on scene

[1:59:50] already. What I talk to you

[1:59:54] about all the time and this is

[1:59:55] a very interesting historical

[1:59:55] staffing locum. I encourage

[1:59:56] everybody to take a look at

[2:00:00] it. Well, I'm going through

[2:00:03] this. So in 2020 2021, our

[2:00:04] peak officers for the history

[2:00:05] in this document potential the

[2:00:06] history of Indianapolis. We

[2:00:07] have the highest number of

[2:00:11] officers 17. 24, but there's a

[2:00:12] trend starting in 2020 all the

[2:00:15] way to now. And there is an

[2:00:18] average that we're losing 60

[2:00:19] officers every year. Worst

[2:00:21] year with 74 officers. And I'm

[2:00:24] I'm really curious what out a

[2:00:24] lot of change since 2020. We

[2:00:25] all know what happened in

[2:00:29] 2020. On average loss of 60.

[2:00:33] What is the split between

[2:00:41] retirement and attrition. I

[2:00:43] don't have the breakdown of

[2:00:45] retirement versus just

[2:00:46] separation, but I can follow

[2:00:47] up with you and provide that

[2:00:50] data that historical. Fairly

[2:00:52] sure we have records of that

[2:00:53] so I I can give you the

[2:00:55] breakdown of it. Yeah. And I

[2:00:56] think is really important

[2:00:58] because folks are are aging

[2:01:00] out. All right. You have a

[2:01:01] particular issue. If you're I

[2:01:02] mean, you MAY know the average

[2:01:04] age of your officers and if

[2:01:07] it's over 50. That's a

[2:01:08] problem, right? And then it's

[2:01:09] going to indicate that there's

[2:01:10] there's probably more people

[2:01:11] retiring. But if it's

[2:01:13] attrition, it's that that

[2:01:16] we're losing officers to

[2:01:18] surrounding areas for

[2:01:19] particular reason. You know,

[2:01:19] part of me, I believe is that

[2:01:23] particular reason is they

[2:01:24] don't feel that they are

[2:01:24] they're wanted in the city as

[2:01:28] a whole. And that is a lot of

[2:01:28] the sentiment that I've

[2:01:30] working with with officers.

[2:01:32] And I think ultimately has to

[2:01:34] be a big part. Allard know

[2:01:36] their recruitment, but the

[2:01:39] retain Mont portion of the

[2:01:40] strategy with an impd which

[2:01:42] leads me to my next question.

[2:01:43] You put together the strategic

[2:01:47] plan and in that I'm confident

[2:01:49] there is a recruitment

[2:01:51] retention plan. What are the

[2:01:51] measurable goals that are set

[2:01:54] out within that? So we can

[2:01:58] start seeing one a loss in

[2:02:00] officers, but to again, well,

[2:02:02] just just getting to a net

[2:02:03] gain every year, I suppose to

[2:02:07] be and important first step.

[2:02:10] Yes, some of the things that I

[2:02:10] discussed during the

[2:02:14] presentation on recruitment

[2:02:15] and retention. We're getting

[2:02:17] the data that we need to make

[2:02:21] those decisions tracking what

[2:02:23] is working in our recruitment

[2:02:23] strategies. When I talk about

[2:02:27] returns on investments, we are

[2:02:29] continually engaging those

[2:02:30] applicants and then using

[2:02:31] these surveys and these

[2:02:31] questionnaires to try to

[2:02:35] identify. First of all, how

[2:02:35] did you hear about us? What

[2:02:38] brought you through the door?

[2:02:42] What are the specific? What do

[2:02:42] you think? How long you think

[2:02:46] you're going to stay here?

[2:02:49] What things about do you like

[2:02:50] that are bringing needs

[2:02:50] through the door? Certainly

[2:02:53] there's a difference between

[2:02:56] big city policing and rural

[2:02:57] policing and to speak to your

[2:03:00] first question. It is a

[2:03:01] combination of retirements and

[2:03:02] resignations. I'll tell you

[2:03:05] that. We've also seen several

[2:03:07] officers that have left our

[2:03:09] agency who have also returned

[2:03:10] to our agency after leaving

[2:03:12] and going to a different

[2:03:15] agency. So I think that's

[2:03:16] indicative of sometimes the

[2:03:18] grass MAY appear to be greener

[2:03:22] on the other side and then you

[2:03:23] have to use your lived

[2:03:24] experience and make a decision

[2:03:25] that's best for you and your

[2:03:26] family. And that has

[2:03:27] ultimately led some officers

[2:03:29] back to impd. One of the

[2:03:32] things that I always talk

[2:03:34] about amongst officers,

[2:03:36] especially officers who don't

[2:03:37] have exposure sometimes to

[2:03:39] other jurisdictions. Other

[2:03:40] police officers from other

[2:03:41] agencies. Networking is very

[2:03:44] important. Thankfully, I have

[2:03:48] that opportunity. And when I

[2:03:50] see hear about things that are

[2:03:51] happening in other

[2:03:52] jurisdictions and things that

[2:03:52] other agencies are

[2:03:57] experiencing are doing. It's

[2:03:58] very apparent to me the impd

[2:04:00] is doing a lot of things right

[2:04:02] already. We do set the

[2:04:03] standard in many ways. We are

[2:04:04] one of the best agencies in

[2:04:07] the country. We are trying to

[2:04:07] measure those things. We are

[2:04:11] using for second deputies.

[2:04:11] Again, I need you guys to

[2:04:16] watch the audience because

[2:04:21] they got to got to got to go

[2:04:22] deputy's to go deputy. Yes, to

[2:04:28] go. Minute. We made it very

[2:04:28] clear. Had chance as they got

[2:04:31] to go.

[2:04:39] And deputies, why are you guys

[2:04:45] doing there? He has to go

[2:04:52] settle to you. Got to go

[2:04:54] MISTER MISTER

[2:05:22] You have to go

[2:05:41] in

[2:05:51] Thank you

[2:06:01] all still in

[2:06:23] deputy. Was he still here? You

[2:06:44] can go out this door a

[2:07:21] to

[2:07:30] continue. Its CHAIRMAN.

[2:07:30] Councilor heart of the other

[2:07:31] part of my answer, your

[2:07:32] question, is that something

[2:07:35] that we've also been doing?

[2:07:38] It's on those separations

[2:07:40] refining our exit interviews,

[2:07:42] making that data that we can

[2:07:44] use so that we can go back.

[2:07:45] And if there are retention

[2:07:46] issues that that the agency

[2:07:49] has control over, we want to

[2:07:51] proactively address those

[2:07:53] issues internally and continue

[2:07:55] to make this agency an agency

[2:07:56] that our officers choose to be

[2:07:58] choose to continue to serve

[2:08:01] and want to be here. So those

[2:08:02] are things that we have

[2:08:03] identified to the course of

[2:08:05] this year through the

[2:08:06] implementation of the streets,

[2:08:07] strategic plan and any

[2:08:10] measurables out of that.

[2:08:11] Again, you and counselor I'm

[2:08:13] happy to have those ongoing

[2:08:13] conversations with you so we

[2:08:16] can work together to identify

[2:08:17] what the issues are. And if

[2:08:18] there's things within our

[2:08:22] control Thank you all wrapped

[2:08:22] up with MR. CHAIRMAN is that,

[2:08:24] you know, I've. I've got a

[2:08:27] business and where but the

[2:08:29] types of folks that I got to I

[2:08:32] can't hire experience. People

[2:08:33] write that if they were there

[2:08:33] already said they're happy.

[2:08:35] They're in their ways. We hire

[2:08:35] folks. We have to get them

[2:08:36] when there are new to the

[2:08:37] career and trying you know, we

[2:08:40] actually have to go find them

[2:08:41] in schools and bring them

[2:08:42] create our own pipeline of

[2:08:44] recruitment. I think. You

[2:08:46] know, from my observation,

[2:08:48] that's our biggest opportunity

[2:08:48] for growth here in the city is

[2:08:49] how do we create a pipeline?

[2:08:53] And I say that having gone to

[2:08:54] a career in technical school

[2:08:54] where at that current

[2:08:57] technical school, there was an

[2:08:57] option, 4 ifd not. I do. But

[2:09:00] to be a fireman, there is an

[2:09:03] opportunity ms, but there's

[2:09:06] not an opportunity to find a

[2:09:08] role impd. And I I realize you

[2:09:09] can't be an impd officer at 18

[2:09:12] years old, right? But what are

[2:09:14] other ways that we can start

[2:09:14] getting folks acclimated to

[2:09:19] what that looks like. At age

[2:09:21] of career and technical are an

[2:09:23] option because if we don't

[2:09:24] start creating that pipeline,

[2:09:25] I think we're going to

[2:09:28] continue to see just a

[2:09:30] decrease of officers for a

[2:09:31] long time coming. And I think

[2:09:31] there's been a lot of

[2:09:33] precedent because they're

[2:09:35] zeroes on that same chart to

[2:09:36] the right, which means there's

[2:09:38] years that we didn't hire

[2:09:39] officers, which those years

[2:09:41] that we froze hiring, which

[2:09:44] hurt us in the future. So, you

[2:09:45] know, there's a lot of things

[2:09:46] that have got us to this point

[2:09:47] today. But I think we're gonna

[2:09:48] have to figure out a creative

[2:09:49] strategy of create a pipeline

[2:09:50] for Ghana. But those numbers

[2:09:55] up in the future. Yes,

[2:09:55] counselor can agree more. I

[2:09:57] would like to mention that we

[2:10:01] do have a cadet program while

[2:10:02] it's small. It's still is

[2:10:03] cadet program for younger

[2:10:04] folks that are of age to apply

[2:10:08] for impd as a sworn officer. I

[2:10:09] also view our public safety

[2:10:10] officer positions as one of

[2:10:13] those potential pipelines. We

[2:10:14] have at least one former

[2:10:15] public safety officer that's

[2:10:19] in our sworn process and MAY

[2:10:20] become a sworn officer. At

[2:10:23] some point. We're also looking

[2:10:25] at the public safety officer

[2:10:26] roles of potential pipeline to

[2:10:28] our park Ranger program as

[2:10:29] well. We have existing public

[2:10:32] safety officers that I believe

[2:10:33] are intending to apply for the

[2:10:36] openings to park Rangers.

[2:10:38] We're also working at

[2:10:39] formalizing an internship

[2:10:41] program so that we can attract

[2:10:43] some folks that maybe aren't

[2:10:46] sure and get them into our

[2:10:48] organization, expose them to

[2:10:49] our organization and invite

[2:10:49] them to be a permanent part of

[2:10:51] the organization. Figure

[2:10:52] Counselor, Counselor Grace,

[2:10:56] thank you. Chief. Our chief,

[2:10:59] thank you for your

[2:10:59] presentation. Just a quick

[2:11:04] question. And then comments.

[2:11:07] She for the department worked

[2:11:10] with 6. If it can. West

[2:11:13] officers, then the regulatory

[2:11:14] bodies has suggested a city

[2:11:15] like Indianapolis. You have.

[2:11:22] Today. Our reality 13 83.

[2:11:24] Yeah. We still talk about this

[2:11:25] 17. 43, I think for me, chief,

[2:11:28] if you can really talk about

[2:11:30] the origin of 17, 43, why that

[2:11:31] number why that number was

[2:11:33] arrived at. When we see crime

[2:11:35] going in the right direction

[2:11:37] at 13, 83 and have a final

[2:11:43] comment chair. The 17. 43

[2:11:45] number to my recollection was

[2:11:47] the number that was

[2:11:50] implemented under Mayor

[2:11:51] Hogsett administration early

[2:11:54] in his administration MAY be

[2:11:54] the first or second year of

[2:11:57] that administration. I think

[2:12:00] that and conversations with

[2:12:02] Chief Bailey some outside

[2:12:03] organizations and it's been a

[2:12:05] while have recommended arced

[2:12:06] our strength to be closer to

[2:12:11] the 2,2200 range, not even 17.

[2:12:13] 43 and I love that. You

[2:12:14] pointed out that we are making

[2:12:17] great strides in crime

[2:12:19] reduction, even well. 360

[2:12:20] officers short of our

[2:12:22] authorized staffing. I think

[2:12:24] that we have been very

[2:12:25] intentional in our strategies

[2:12:28] and the gun violence reduction

[2:12:30] strategy specifically and

[2:12:32] leveraging those partnerships

[2:12:34] to achieve those reductions in

[2:12:36] crime. But it does come at a

[2:12:39] cost because there is a lot of

[2:12:40] overtime involved and

[2:12:42] maintaining that level of

[2:12:43] service, which we do not want

[2:12:47] to take shortcuts on. So and

[2:12:48] chief, I heard presentation

[2:12:52] about the need for 17. 43, but

[2:12:53] I want to know why we've

[2:12:54] arrived at that number. We've

[2:12:56] seen success. It's 360

[2:12:59] officers short and I'm curious

[2:13:00] to know, is it time to

[2:13:01] readjust that number because

[2:13:04] we're continually funding at

[2:13:05] that number. Yes, we've heard

[2:13:07] the 212200, you know, expected

[2:13:10] number. But even at the 17,

[2:13:14] 43, the funded number. I think

[2:13:14] we're working well. I'd love

[2:13:15] to know what the origin of 70

[2:13:20] 43 is. Origin was under Mayor

[2:13:23] Hogsett administration as far

[2:13:24] as that goes. But I would

[2:13:27] argue that. I've heard from

[2:13:29] counselors all evening about

[2:13:30] things that you'd like to see

[2:13:33] out of our agency. There are

[2:13:34] things that I agree with that

[2:13:36] i'd like to see out of our

[2:13:38] agency. There are times that I

[2:13:40] remember as a young officer

[2:13:41] myself having the latitude to

[2:13:45] do during my patrol shift that

[2:13:46] officers that are working

[2:13:46] today don't have the same

[2:13:50] luxury to do. Technology has

[2:13:50] changed times of change.

[2:13:52] Staffing levels have certainly

[2:13:54] changed. If we had that

[2:13:56] additional staffing, we would

[2:13:56] be able to provide an even

[2:14:00] higher level of service. And

[2:14:03] while we've achieved great

[2:14:04] reductions in our violence or

[2:14:04] violent crimes and even our

[2:14:06] property crimes, quality of

[2:14:07] life issues to me, I'm not

[2:14:09] satisfied with that. There's

[2:14:11] still too much violence and we

[2:14:12] have more work to do and we

[2:14:13] need more officers to be able

[2:14:17] to do that. And I certainly

[2:14:19] appreciate that. Slight

[2:14:21] clarification can come back to

[2:14:23] that. But I MARCH air finally,

[2:14:26] I have a a comment or maybe a

[2:14:32] suggestion considering recent

[2:14:33] shootings in shootings that

[2:14:35] happened in the black

[2:14:38] community across Indianapolis

[2:14:39] chief. I think it's time that

[2:14:40] we really look and consider

[2:14:41] the research that has shown

[2:14:46] that black officers. Use force

[2:14:47] less frequently, particularly

[2:14:48] when interacting with black

[2:14:51] residents. Increasing the

[2:14:52] number of black officers can

[2:14:54] strengthen trust, improve

[2:14:57] community cooperation and help

[2:14:57] officers obtain the

[2:14:58] information needed to prevent

[2:15:00] violence and solve crimes. A

[2:15:01] department that reflects the

[2:15:02] community. It serves as better

[2:15:03] position to protect that

[2:15:06] community. Chief, to recap.

[2:15:09] Our community is hurting the

[2:15:09] black community Indianapolis

[2:15:13] is heard. I think one

[2:15:14] suggestion is that we hire

[2:15:17] more black officers to patrol

[2:15:18] our committees, whatever it

[2:15:20] takes to attract and retain

[2:15:20] those officers. We have to do

[2:15:23] it. Thank you. MISTER Chair.

[2:15:24] Think also just a comment.

[2:15:27] Some counselors, anyone else

[2:15:29] will circle back to the

[2:15:29] council Perkins. Then round

[2:15:30] groups will go to the audience

[2:15:33] to get public testimony. Thank

[2:15:36] you, MISTER CHAIRMAN. I think

[2:15:37] tonight is an example for me

[2:15:45] off. Community. Lived on the

[2:15:48] tension on the pressure and

[2:15:52] often times. Our voice, not

[2:15:53] frustration is interpreted as

[2:16:05] violent. It's not lost on me.

[2:16:06] What has transpired here

[2:16:14] tonight. And I wonder. What my

[2:16:15] colleague just shared in terms

[2:16:19] off. The numbers. And a

[2:16:25] vacancy. I wonder. Instead of

[2:16:30] our strategic plan. We need to

[2:16:30] look at a different way of

[2:16:39] public safety. Indianapolis is

[2:16:42] not unique. In not being able

[2:16:46] to fill vacancies. I think

[2:16:48] what we oftentimes feel to do.

[2:16:53] It's a take the opportunity.

[2:16:56] To be relevant in the moment.

[2:16:58] If you look across the entire

[2:17:00] country, major cities are

[2:17:03] having challenges recruiting

[2:17:04] police officers to fit in the

[2:17:04] traditional way in which we

[2:17:07] police our communities. It's

[2:17:11] all for that to us as a

[2:17:11] consideration. I also want to

[2:17:14] follow up on the question and

[2:17:17] by my colleague, Minority

[2:17:22] leader around. Our vehicles on

[2:17:24] our fleet. What we do know. Is

[2:17:27] that we approved resources to

[2:17:33] purchase. 180. New vehicles.

[2:17:35] What we do know is that your

[2:17:37] requested me was around 300.

[2:17:41] What we don't know. Is how

[2:17:42] many vehicles, new vehicles

[2:17:44] you have right now. That has

[2:17:46] been sittin in a lot waiting

[2:17:47] to be outfitted to get on the

[2:17:52] road. We don't know that. And

[2:17:54] so I think that's important

[2:17:55] for the community. And it's

[2:17:56] important for you to know

[2:17:57] that, right? If we're

[2:18:00] purchasing new vehicles. Yet

[2:18:01] we still have vehicles sit and

[2:18:07] just waited. They have to be a

[2:18:08] better way for community move

[2:18:10] forward. Has to be a better

[2:18:16] way. And so I offer both my

[2:18:18] questions and my comments is

[2:18:20] as as an encouragement for us

[2:18:22] to to remain at the table.

[2:18:25] Don't back away from the

[2:18:26] opportunity to be innovative

[2:18:26] in this moment. I truly

[2:18:32] believe. That this. Is Colin

[2:18:33] us Indianapolis to look at a

[2:18:34] different way of public

[2:18:37] safety. Thank you, MR.

[2:18:38] CHAIRMAN, thank you. Council

[2:18:41] Council Brown. Thank you, MR.

[2:18:43] CHAIRMAN to everything that

[2:18:44] council Perkins or said. Thank

[2:18:46] you for saying that, sir. I

[2:18:47] want to quickly ask a couple

[2:18:48] questions just to follow up

[2:18:53] earlier questions. Last week.

[2:18:53] We had the city what I would

[2:18:55] describe as a terrorist

[2:18:56] attack. People are living in

[2:18:59] fear. I cannot tell you the

[2:19:00] number of frightened phone

[2:19:01] calls I got from parents,

[2:19:03] teachers, principals, children

[2:19:06] at the physical therapy, place

[2:19:08] that I go to take care of very

[2:19:10] painful issue in my neck and

[2:19:11] shoulder. That's a 20% of

[2:19:13] their patient appointments

[2:19:14] were canceled due to fear of

[2:19:17] what was going on last week.

[2:19:17] That's not just an economic

[2:19:20] impact. That's literally

[2:19:21] dozens of dozen people that

[2:19:23] clinic alone living in pain,

[2:19:24] physical pain because of what

[2:19:27] happened last week. When I

[2:19:28] reached out on Monday, you let

[2:19:29] me know you haven't heard

[2:19:30] anything about this. When I

[2:19:32] reached out to commander fully

[2:19:33] during the downtown district

[2:19:34] calling Tuesday, he also had

[2:19:35] not heard anything about this.

[2:19:37] There were hundreds of report.

[2:19:38] All over our city. And so to

[2:19:42] me. You know, I hate to even

[2:19:46] say this, but if indeed, we

[2:19:46] are beginning on us

[2:19:50] information. Then that is a

[2:19:52] gigantic intelligence failure.

[2:19:54] Why are we not better commit

[2:19:56] connecting with our community?

[2:19:57] I mean, you couldn't go on

[2:20:00] social media without scene.

[2:20:01] Live video of masks. People

[2:20:03] snatching folks out of cars.

[2:20:05] When I sent a license plate

[2:20:06] over saying there was just

[2:20:07] abduction tied to this license

[2:20:10] plate number. You and no one

[2:20:10] under sec even responded to

[2:20:16] that email. So when you say

[2:20:18] you had no interactions with

[2:20:18] ice, assuming that was the

[2:20:21] agency in charge last week,

[2:20:22] you know, I noticed in your

[2:20:23] budget if I kind of the

[2:20:24] numbers, right, you have 2.2

[2:20:25] million dollars for federal

[2:20:28] liaison Ce not one of your

[2:20:28] federal liaison side of the

[2:20:29] inclination of what was

[2:20:30] happening. I mean, when you

[2:20:30] say you didn't have

[2:20:31] communication, is that still

[2:20:37] true today? So what is

[2:20:38] preventing your department

[2:20:40] from using the flock

[2:20:41] technology from using these

[2:20:45] 1300 sworn officers to try to

[2:20:46] prevent what a group of people

[2:20:47] who have not identified

[2:20:48] themselves to the chief of

[2:20:49] police or the mayor of the

[2:20:50] city. Why would you not why we

[2:20:55] do not try to stop them. I

[2:20:58] would just remind you that the

[2:21:00] federal agencies have no

[2:21:02] mandate to notify local law

[2:21:03] enforcement when they conduct

[2:21:04] operations involving federal

[2:21:07] and Portsmouth, federal laws.

[2:21:09] So they're not required to

[2:21:10] notify U.S. And they likely

[2:21:11] won't notify you as long as

[2:21:13] you put up no resistance when

[2:21:15] they don't. If you don't pay

[2:21:16] and incentives structure that

[2:21:16] makes it worse for them not to

[2:21:17] notify you. Why would they

[2:21:24] have another fight? Okay. I

[2:21:26] mean, I guess it for the

[2:21:27] questions I find this

[2:21:28] extremely Don't know why we

[2:21:30] pay so much for public safety

[2:21:31] if people could be kidnapped

[2:21:32] off the streets and our law

[2:21:32] enforcement can't even

[2:21:37] communicate about that. Going

[2:21:38] on to counseling graves. His

[2:21:38] comments about demographics

[2:21:40] and the force. You know, I do

[2:21:41] appreciate the efforts that

[2:21:45] you've made. And I think you'd

[2:21:47] agree are 4 still does not

[2:21:48] look like the people that pay

[2:21:50] our taxes and that we

[2:21:52] represent. On that note, I

[2:21:53] want to ask if you have this

[2:21:54] available, how many impd sworn

[2:21:55] officers live in Marion

[2:22:01] County. I can get that

[2:22:03] information. We do have that

[2:22:03] information. I report back to

[2:22:04] you on that. I don't have it

[2:22:08] memorized. Yeah, no. It's much

[2:22:09] easier to say here on the mike

[2:22:10] that actually do recruitment

[2:22:12] and communities. But I wager

[2:22:14] if we had more than 5 Hispanic

[2:22:16] officers, we might have had

[2:22:17] better insights as to what was

[2:22:19] happening with ice. For

[2:22:20] example, and, you know, costs

[2:22:22] might go down if we're not

[2:22:24] sending take-home cars to

[2:22:26] donut counties. You know, from

[2:22:26] my conversations with rank and

[2:22:27] file officers and sounds like

[2:22:29] there's a push to expand that

[2:22:33] to 2 counties away for people

[2:22:34] to have take home cars. I'm

[2:22:34] not sure if that's moving

[2:22:38] forward or not. I understand

[2:22:39] the need to keep morale up

[2:22:41] with the heartbreak of

[2:22:43] officers. But there are

[2:22:44] 900,000 people in the city.

[2:22:45] It's really hard for me to

[2:22:45] believe we don't have anybody

[2:22:46] who could do a decent job of

[2:22:48] the police officer with the

[2:22:48] 26th. Check of training

[2:22:55] invention on that note. I do

[2:22:56] want to my harsh say I want to

[2:22:58] give you and your commanders

[2:22:59] and all the wreckage officers

[2:22:59] who do this because you are

[2:23:02] doing an impossible job. It is

[2:23:03] truly unfair. What this

[2:23:04] council with this mayor, what

[2:23:06] the city asks of you and your

[2:23:08] staff, it's impossible. You

[2:23:09] can't blood from a stone. And

[2:23:12] to my colleagues point, you

[2:23:13] cannot do the work of 1700

[2:23:15] officers with 1300 officers.

[2:23:18] You just can't do it. Every

[2:23:19] job I've ever had that tried

[2:23:20] to downsize staff and just

[2:23:23] told us to do more It didn't

[2:23:23] work out that way. It just

[2:23:27] ended up that some of the I

[2:23:28] didn't get at some of that.

[2:23:30] He's didn't get caught. Some

[2:23:31] of the people making 3800

[2:23:32] searchers on flock cameras

[2:23:35] didn't get investigated right?

[2:23:36] That's that's because you

[2:23:37] don't have the staff to do all

[2:23:38] the things that are on your

[2:23:40] shoulders. I appreciate leader

[2:23:41] Mowery mentioning that park

[2:23:43] Rangers are important public

[2:23:47] safety future. But but that is

[2:23:49] like a purple level of respect

[2:23:49] would be a greater level

[2:23:53] respect as recognition that. 5

[2:23:54] or even 8 park Rangers, 4 of

[2:23:59] 400 square miles City Miles,

[2:24:00] City it. You know, impossible

[2:24:01] that they're not gonna be able

[2:24:02] to do their jobs actually make

[2:24:04] the park safe. And so I think

[2:24:06] that you should expect or for

[2:24:08] this council, you expect By

[2:24:11] Mike like off is should

[2:24:11] certainly expect more from the

[2:24:18] mayor. But we need to to cause

[2:24:19] a partisan basis point

[2:24:20] reinvent public safety because

[2:24:22] we can't keep doing the old

[2:24:22] model without the same

[2:24:23] resource and staff that we

[2:24:27] once had. You know, we could

[2:24:28] have some creativity into some

[2:24:29] municipal code changes where

[2:24:30] necessary since the park

[2:24:32] Rangers demonstrate we do have

[2:24:34] a category of sworn officers

[2:24:34] level to Riley at training as

[2:24:37] opposed to a level one. Why

[2:24:38] couldn't we have a new

[2:24:38] category of sworn officers

[2:24:40] just for traffic enforcement

[2:24:42] if they didn't serve warrants,

[2:24:44] that could alleviate some of

[2:24:45] what constituted heard in the

[2:24:46] past about, you unwelcome

[2:24:48] interactions between the

[2:24:49] public. You know, we're not

[2:24:53] we're not putting anybody and

[2:24:53] lives risk were not know

[2:24:54] what's drawing a gun when

[2:24:55] you're the most. That could

[2:24:56] happen as a person orange

[2:24:57] that's get your parking ticket

[2:24:58] traffic moving violation.

[2:25:02] Could do that. And I will give

[2:25:03] credit for some of your staff

[2:25:04] commander fully of downtown

[2:25:05] district has done an excellent

[2:25:07] job. Just looking for problems

[2:25:08] that could be solved within

[2:25:11] the city government as an

[2:25:12] example, food trucks are not

[2:25:13] legally allowed to operate

[2:25:16] after 11:00pm, but only bns

[2:25:19] that visits neighborhood

[2:25:20] services agents can issue them

[2:25:23] violation of that after

[2:25:24] 11:00pm being agents are out

[2:25:25] after 11:00pm. But downtown

[2:25:26] district officers absolutely

[2:25:29] out there on foot. So why

[2:25:31] can't we internally circle the

[2:25:32] wagons and get jurisdiction to

[2:25:33] cover the things that they're

[2:25:34] standing there able to do

[2:25:37] anyway and then why can't we

[2:25:39] take some frankly, ridiculous

[2:25:40] hats off of the officers

[2:25:41] shoulders. So when I did buy

[2:25:43] right along with downtown

[2:25:45] district for the 10 hour

[2:25:46] shift, the very first thing

[2:25:47] that the officer I worked with

[2:25:51] had to do was walk around to

[2:25:53] wire privatized parking South

[2:25:54] Meridian Street and hang

[2:25:57] handwritten signs over each

[2:25:59] parking meter spot saying no

[2:26:00] parking Friday and Saturday

[2:26:03] evening by order of impd for

[2:26:04] Public Safety. That is

[2:26:05] ridiculous. When an average of

[2:26:09] $130,000 a year officer is

[2:26:10] literally taking twine, tied

[2:26:11] it around, assigned a writing

[2:26:13] on it with a marker. What we

[2:26:13] have to find some efficiencies

[2:26:15] and not ask each police

[2:26:17] officer to just be the Batman

[2:26:21] with 1000 jobs, right? We need

[2:26:22] to continue funding. Clc are

[2:26:24] continue any any sort of non

[2:26:27] police. Nancy, one officer

[2:26:28] efforts to end a crime on the

[2:26:31] issue of homelessness, I will

[2:26:32] commend officers. Major

[2:26:32] McIlroy has done a great job.

[2:26:33] I think with that program that

[2:26:37] shouldn't be impd is job he I

[2:26:37] walked around with Captain

[2:26:40] Leary who personally both

[2:26:41] people up and Lugar plaza

[2:26:42] professionally politely

[2:26:44] humanely. But insistently and

[2:26:46] encourage them to keep

[2:26:48] walking. That is crazy for

[2:26:49] police captain to have to do

[2:26:51] that job. Just what we're

[2:26:53] seeing across part. My tirade.

[2:26:57] But what we're seeing across

[2:26:58] this enterprise is a total

[2:27:00] failure to lead to be

[2:27:03] creative. We're using a number

[2:27:04] that was made up a decade ago

[2:27:05] for no reason other than

[2:27:07] that's the number we made up a

[2:27:07] decade ago. Where is the

[2:27:08] creativity with the

[2:27:08] leadership? Where is our

[2:27:11] mayor? This guy in the room

[2:27:16] today I MISS Him. You know, we

[2:27:18] talk about the Cip has an

[2:27:18] agreement that hasn't been

[2:27:22] updated. 12 years. I checked.

[2:27:24] Way underpaying another made

[2:27:25] patrol cip the mail service

[2:27:26] patrol, the jails that are

[2:27:27] being overcrowded with people

[2:27:29] outside of Marin County. The

[2:27:30] mayor doesn't directly control

[2:27:31] the roads that the state House

[2:27:32] doesn't appropriately. Fund

[2:27:34] for. The man hasn't said a

[2:27:35] word that I'm aware of about

[2:27:37] Dallas jet. The mayor surely

[2:27:38] was not on camera talking

[2:27:40] about eyes just about his

[2:27:41] potential run for mayor again,

[2:27:42] breaking its promise a second

[2:27:45] time. But it's not just the

[2:27:46] mayor. We've seen a failure of

[2:27:47] leadership here in this room

[2:27:50] tonight. The community has

[2:27:53] been calling for a public

[2:27:53] meeting, a public hearing of a

[2:27:55] public safety. And instead the

[2:27:56] hearing that was already

[2:27:57] scheduled without excuses to

[2:27:58] throw dozens of people out of

[2:27:59] the room. So when we do hear

[2:28:00] the public comment and with

[2:28:01] that goes into the record

[2:28:03] tonight, I just want it known

[2:28:06] that there was considerably

[2:28:08] more people who took time out

[2:28:09] of day pay to park downtown,

[2:28:11] went through airport security.

[2:28:12] And then were manhandled

[2:28:13] rather than being able to

[2:28:13] speak to the elected

[2:28:16] government. You know,

[2:28:16] workspace on the taxes they

[2:28:19] pay for us. So. Didn't have a

[2:28:20] question at the end, I guess.

[2:28:22] But I guess I got my time.

[2:28:28] Thank you. For Brown. Thank

[2:28:29] you, MR. CHAIRMAN couple just

[2:28:30] final quick questions. I'll

[2:28:34] try to be brief new chief just

[2:28:38] to share with us the extent of

[2:28:39] the de-escalation training.

[2:28:40] That's part of the academy and

[2:28:43] what type of post academy

[2:28:43] training is involved

[2:28:50] de-escalation. Yes. So one of

[2:28:52] the things that I described in

[2:28:55] the presentation was the eye

[2:28:55] cat, the Integrated

[2:28:56] Communication assessment

[2:29:00] tactics. Does encourage

[2:29:01] officers to slow down to make

[2:29:06] a plan. We also reinforced

[2:29:07] consistently time distance and

[2:29:08] barriers. When you get out of

[2:29:13] the academy ongoing range

[2:29:14] training, ongoing defensive

[2:29:15] tactics training that

[2:29:19] emphasizes. Slowing down using

[2:29:21] time. If you have using

[2:29:22] distance, if you had of it and

[2:29:24] using barriers, if you have

[2:29:25] it. So you do allow yourself

[2:29:28] that time to create a plan, a

[2:29:30] safety plan and use proper

[2:29:32] tactics to keep both you and

[2:29:33] community safe while you're

[2:29:34] handling whatever the problem

[2:29:38] is in front of you, the crisis

[2:29:39] intervention term training is

[2:29:40] something that we continue to

[2:29:43] invest in with our officers,

[2:29:44] which also teaches officers

[2:29:50] how to interact appropriate

[2:29:50] appropriately with folks who

[2:29:51] maybe have some mental health

[2:29:52] issues or substance abuse

[2:30:01] issues. Various. Conditions

[2:30:01] that they're trained to try to

[2:30:06] approach by using proper

[2:30:08] boysen fraught inflections by

[2:30:08] MAY be using not using

[2:30:14] flashlights by. Taking a

[2:30:14] different approach. Certainly

[2:30:17] not touching somebody,

[2:30:17] especially when we're talking

[2:30:21] about some autistic

[2:30:21] individuals that MAY make

[2:30:24] scare them more, create a

[2:30:25] reaction out of them. And we

[2:30:28] also consistently try to look

[2:30:29] at what other resources we

[2:30:32] have available the moment

[2:30:32] that might taken a uniformed

[2:30:33] police officer out of that

[2:30:34] position, especially when it

[2:30:39] comes to mental health shoes.

[2:30:41] The time barriers that I

[2:30:42] mentioned at our range

[2:30:47] training. Not every situation

[2:30:48] is something that requires 4

[2:30:49] sets a last resort. But we

[2:30:52] also want to train officers to

[2:30:54] be safe at the end of the day

[2:30:57] that train that proper

[2:31:00] training does Reed's result

[2:31:01] fewer instances of force. And

[2:31:04] you can see on the

[2:31:06] transparency website that

[2:31:08] downward trajectory and those

[2:31:11] use-of-force I hope I hit a

[2:31:12] high level without being a

[2:31:14] training academy instructor

[2:31:16] myself. But those are some of

[2:31:17] the high level things that our

[2:31:20] agency continues to invest in.

[2:31:22] We continue to look at things

[2:31:24] through that lens. We can

[2:31:24] treat continue to try to

[2:31:26] incorporate those things and

[2:31:29] those concepts in our policies

[2:31:30] even de-escalation is

[2:31:30] something that is part of the

[2:31:31] language in our use force

[2:31:36] policies. When we do after

[2:31:37] actions and review incidents,

[2:31:39] we look through that lens of

[2:31:42] what were the opportunities

[2:31:43] and what training issues do we

[2:31:46] need to then address if we're

[2:31:49] seeing some failures or some

[2:31:50] some missteps and how we carry

[2:31:51] things out or what are

[2:31:53] opportunities. Maybe I should

[2:31:55] say for improvement in that in

[2:31:57] that area. Great. I would just

[2:31:58] encourage you to continue that

[2:32:02] trend particularly for I know

[2:32:03] you get a dress that in the

[2:32:05] academy, but I think as I

[2:32:07] understand, officers go

[2:32:11] through annual gun training in

[2:32:13] range training is are also

[2:32:14] annual de-escalation training

[2:32:17] as well to get the money, ok?

[2:32:19] It just depends what the

[2:32:21] topics of the cycle It MAY not

[2:32:25] be annually every year, but we

[2:32:27] do have different trainings,

[2:32:28] different training topics,

[2:32:29] some of those are mandated by

[2:32:31] the state. And then I would

[2:32:34] say that we have we offer over

[2:32:35] 100 hours of ongoing continual

[2:32:37] training annually to every

[2:32:38] officer. Thank you, Chief.

[2:32:39] Thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN.

[2:32:42] Thank you. Council I assure

[2:32:43] you, MISTER CHAIRMAN, make

[2:32:43] this very brief. Just want to

[2:32:46] make a couple of points. I

[2:32:49] know the number 1743 been

[2:32:50] brought up. Not only a lot

[2:32:54] tonight, but over the past

[2:32:55] several years. In fact, I

[2:32:56] think on my dying day, the

[2:32:57] number 17 43 will run back a

[2:33:04] crossed my mind. 1743, my

[2:33:05] understanding was a number

[2:33:06] that the administration came

[2:33:07] up with when they did a study

[2:33:08] on what impd staffing should

[2:33:13] be. It is true to say that

[2:33:14] that number is now outdated

[2:33:15] because the number today

[2:33:16] necessary is tremendously

[2:33:22] more. But we aren't near 1743.

[2:33:23] I can't imagine how pest some

[2:33:25] of the people on this caucus

[2:33:29] in this council would be if we

[2:33:33] allocated 2,200 officers

[2:33:34] funding in an impd budget. I

[2:33:35] think the idea is to work to

[2:33:36] get towards that number. And

[2:33:38] I'm sure the minute that impd

[2:33:42] hires at 1740 3rd officer that

[2:33:43] we will increase the number.

[2:33:45] So I think it's important that

[2:33:46] we have something to work

[2:33:47] towards. I'm sure once we

[2:33:48] achieve that, we will continue

[2:33:50] to work towards additional

[2:33:52] officers. Officers who can run

[2:33:54] traffic officers. You don't

[2:33:55] have to work as much overtime

[2:33:56] and this time with their

[2:33:58] family. Secondly, the idea

[2:34:01] that officers live in Marion

[2:34:02] County, there's nothing more

[2:34:03] that I would like to see that

[2:34:05] all of our impd officers live

[2:34:07] in Indianapolis, Marin County.

[2:34:08] I don't think there's anything

[2:34:10] anybody from the Chiefs office

[2:34:14] would like to see more then

[2:34:15] then officers on impd live in

[2:34:16] Marin County. That isn't the

[2:34:18] reality. There aren't lines

[2:34:22] down monument Circle. Trying

[2:34:23] to become impd officers. We

[2:34:26] have to be creative. Folks

[2:34:27] want take-home cars. We have

[2:34:28] to expand. Those are just the

[2:34:31] realities. So some of my

[2:34:32] colleagues, the suggestion

[2:34:35] that we ought to be hiring.

[2:34:37] Residents of Marin County,

[2:34:39] obviously the idea that we

[2:34:40] should have a police

[2:34:41] department that's reflective

[2:34:42] of our community

[2:34:44] demographically, of course.

[2:34:45] But that isn't the reality of

[2:34:47] what we're saying. So I think

[2:34:49] that's something we have to

[2:34:50] work towards. But we also have

[2:34:51] to work towards reality. But

[2:34:53] that isn't the case today. And

[2:34:54] then we have to make sure that

[2:34:57] we have a fully staffed

[2:34:58] department, but he's capable

[2:34:59] of answering and responding to

[2:35:03] the call so that when one of

[2:35:04] us or our loved ones call

[2:35:05] 9-1-1, for whatever it might

[2:35:06] be, somebody is there to

[2:35:08] respond and I will fight that

[2:35:11] point to the death. It's very

[2:35:13] important that we ensure that

[2:35:14] we are going out all across

[2:35:17] central Indiana and recruiting

[2:35:20] officers and then we get to

[2:35:22] 17. 43. And when the day comes

[2:35:23] that there are lines from the

[2:35:24] city county building to the

[2:35:26] state House applying to be

[2:35:28] impd officers. Then then we

[2:35:32] can next. The Donut County

[2:35:33] push. But we have to continue

[2:35:38] forward progress. When know

[2:35:39] that I'm for a public hearing,

[2:35:40] testimony from those in the

[2:35:41] audience as clerk, want to

[2:35:49] read your statement, please.

[2:35:50] Before reopening Florida

[2:35:50] public comments. We like

[2:35:52] treeline committee members and

[2:35:54] the public. A few ground rules

[2:35:55] so everyone can have a fair

[2:35:57] chance to speak and be heard.

[2:35:58] It is important that we each

[2:36:00] observe following rules.

[2:36:01] First, each speaker will be

[2:36:03] limited to 2 minutes. Second,

[2:36:06] any public comments most

[2:36:10] recently related agenda item

[2:36:11] under consideration. Speakers

[2:36:12] to stray from item under

[2:36:16] consideration become unduly

[2:36:17] repetitious. Someone to next

[2:36:19] conclude their comments.

[2:36:21] Finally, it tends to cause

[2:36:23] disruptions to prevent the

[2:36:23] committee from proceeding

[2:36:25] through tonight's agenda in a

[2:36:26] recently efficient manner will

[2:36:30] be removed. Please remember

[2:36:32] this. Some types speech or

[2:36:33] incitement to violence are not

[2:36:33] protected by the First

[2:36:36] Amendment. It out we would

[2:36:36] deal with those issues if they

[2:36:39] come up that we don't think

[2:36:41] they And share mean if a

[2:36:43] committee member asked for

[2:36:44] consent to because it we can

[2:36:45] adopt these rules. We can

[2:36:47] proceed to public comments,

[2:36:48] MR. Chair council Brown. I

[2:36:50] would like to move that. We

[2:36:51] extend the public 5 minutes

[2:36:54] this evening as opposed to 2

[2:36:55] minutes in light of the

[2:36:56] significantly reduce number of

[2:36:58] people remaining in the Thank

[2:36:59] you. Council property

[2:36:59] suggested peers who want to

[2:37:00] make a recommendation

[2:37:01] regarding that request. How we

[2:37:03] move forward with that. I

[2:37:04] think I think you vote on

[2:37:06] whether or not that's

[2:37:07] something you wanted to. The

[2:37:12] Motion Council bro. Moos on

[2:37:15] the floor extend the 2 minute

[2:37:15] public testimony to 5 minutes

[2:37:20] there. A second. Motion fails.

[2:37:26] Thank you. As Clark. Sorry.

[2:37:28] Wasn't about the clerk to as

[2:37:33] clerk has The motion fails on

[2:37:36] the 5 minute testimony, but

[2:37:37] The lack of second and then

[2:37:39] we'll go to the 2 minutes for

[2:37:39] the pup test when the car has

[2:37:43] a. A list of those individuals

[2:37:45] color. First, 3 out, please

[2:37:46] your names will come forward.

[2:37:47] Please state your name. You

[2:37:51] come forward. Corey Graham.

[2:37:57] Mandi McIntosh, Sandra. Please

[2:38:03] State your name. Most first

[2:38:03] individuals. They're still

[2:38:04] PRESIDENT. Come forward. You

[2:38:05] name for the record. Please.

[2:38:13] Mandi McIntosh. Hello? My name

[2:38:15] is Mandee and I live in being

[2:38:17] Creek. Another neighborhood

[2:38:17] where police presence Lee's

[2:38:19] many residents feeling more

[2:38:21] unsafe rather than protected.

[2:38:22] I am also a volunteer

[2:38:24] organizer with the Valley.

[2:38:24] This movement in partnership

[2:38:26] with Live Free Indy. As

[2:38:29] counselor Perkins said, if we

[2:38:30] are going to get serious about

[2:38:33] safety in our community, we

[2:38:35] have to be equally serious

[2:38:36] about accountability for those

[2:38:36] who are tasked with public

[2:38:40] safety. But if we the citizens

[2:38:41] seeking that accountability

[2:38:44] have to see force and violence

[2:38:48] deployed by this body. Used on

[2:38:49] someone just fighting to have

[2:38:51] their voice heard. I have to

[2:38:55] ask. How can we trust this

[2:38:58] body to do anything to hold

[2:39:03] these agencies accountable

[2:39:05] laughter is being policed in

[2:39:05] this place. If you fail

[2:39:09] tonight. Every time you pass

[2:39:10] this budget and the overtime

[2:39:13] slush fund with it. You fail

[2:39:13] this community. That's my

[2:39:25] time. My name is Sandra

[2:39:27] McLennan. I am an organizer

[2:39:28] with the live free base in the

[2:39:31] action coalition. We heard a

[2:39:34] lot of rhetoric this evening

[2:39:35] about accountability

[2:39:37] standards, that sort of thing.

[2:39:41] Each year. We come back to

[2:39:43] this council and ask for that.

[2:39:46] We ask you to hold the line on

[2:39:50] accountability. And metrics of

[2:39:54] effectiveness. And each year

[2:39:54] this pie just chooses after

[2:39:59] the focus. Chooses to close

[2:40:00] its eyes and avoid the reality

[2:40:06] in front of us. In 2 years.

[2:40:06] This city will walk off of a

[2:40:10] fiscal cliff. We will not have

[2:40:11] money to meet the needs of

[2:40:15] everyday residents. We will

[2:40:18] continue to nickel and dime

[2:40:19] the budget and throw a key

[2:40:20] programs that support

[2:40:22] vulnerable populations. As

[2:40:26] this budget has dot. This will

[2:40:31] not be enough. In 2 years. You

[2:40:32] won't be able to look back and

[2:40:36] blame Joe Hogsett. We are here

[2:40:40] because committees like this

[2:40:41] have let this budget grow out

[2:40:46] of control. Instead of holding

[2:40:50] this agency accountable to

[2:40:52] success metrics like

[2:40:53] recruitment numbers decreases

[2:40:57] in use of force. Or solve the

[2:40:59] murder cases. You ask the

[2:41:00] taxpayers to just keep giving

[2:41:06] without question. Earlier this

[2:41:09] year, our jaws dropped. As

[2:41:13] we're watching tv and we see

[2:41:17] impd officer. Grab a teenager

[2:41:22] and scream at him. I'm going

[2:41:29] to kill you. Understand me.

[2:41:30] That's my time. Thank you.

[2:41:35] Thank you. Clerk you want to

[2:41:37] read to you. Come forward the

[2:41:38] region next 3 days, please.

[2:41:42] Ericka Davis. Forward haven't

[2:41:48] Devontae scrubs. My name is

[2:41:49] Erica with Live Free, Indiana,

[2:41:54] and the ballot. This movement.

[2:41:54] We want to ours this council

[2:41:59] to ask itself. What is your

[2:41:59] responsibility and holding

[2:42:02] this agency accountable? We

[2:42:05] believe this is critical in

[2:42:07] your role. And unfortunately,

[2:42:07] it seems like you've ignored

[2:42:13] this responsibility. Earlier

[2:42:14] this summer we develops or

[2:42:17] acquires far city councilors.

[2:42:18] Most of this committee did not

[2:42:22] receive a passing grade. The

[2:42:26] most consistent mark against

[2:42:28] this goers was the unflinching

[2:42:32] support for the impd budget,

[2:42:32] even though they had been big

[2:42:35] question marks every year. Our

[2:42:39] movement is very clear. If the

[2:42:40] choice is supporting this

[2:42:43] budget will not pivot. Then we

[2:42:45] have to get serious about

[2:42:47] pivoting. Some of the

[2:42:48] COUNCILMAN And COUNCILWOMAN In

[2:42:57] this out of your seats. We're

[2:42:57] going to rank candidates this

[2:43:02] upcoming cycle. And those who

[2:43:04] are not receiving a passing

[2:43:06] grade MAY find themselves

[2:43:06] facing a live free candidate

[2:43:09] on the ballot. We want to work

[2:43:13] with this council. Okay. We

[2:43:15] want to work with this

[2:43:16] council. But if this body

[2:43:18] refuses to take seriously the

[2:43:19] concerns that truly keep us

[2:43:22] safe and hope this agency

[2:43:24] accountable we will have to

[2:43:25] advocate for our community and

[2:43:27] find different leadership.

[2:43:27] Thank you. Thank you for your

[2:43:36] comments. Now. I'm a bike

[2:43:38] Baptist preacher so I

[2:43:38] guarantee that. I'll be a 2

[2:43:42] minutes. But I will guarantee

[2:43:43] that re what I have on my

[2:43:47] paper. A man. Devontae scrolls

[2:43:51] Exodus. Farrow became afraid

[2:43:52] of the people he could not

[2:43:56] control. So he turned his fear

[2:44:00] into public policy. He used

[2:44:03] the power of government to

[2:44:04] decide which lives will be

[2:44:04] protected in which sons could

[2:44:09] be teal. Farrell did not carry

[2:44:10] out every at with his own

[2:44:14] hands. He built the system.

[2:44:18] Issued orders. And gave others

[2:44:18] the authority to carry them

[2:44:23] out. Members of this committee

[2:44:24] before you look at the numbers

[2:44:24] in this budget, look at this

[2:44:31] picture. That's down yet. He

[2:44:34] was 21 years old. Us and

[2:44:36] father. Good to see you.

[2:44:38] Chief. A brother. And my

[2:44:44] cousin. Our family chose this

[2:44:44] photograph to protect his

[2:44:46] dignity beneath that Dallis

[2:44:51] body carried 9 bullets.

[2:44:51] Tonight I am Pete impd is

[2:44:52] asking the city for nearly

[2:44:56] 400 million dollars. The

[2:44:57] department is asking you to

[2:44:59] consider what it needs. Dallas

[2:45:00] body forces you to confront

[2:45:01] what the power has already

[2:45:05] done. Impd for said down the

[2:45:08] shot 2 officers and later

[2:45:08] acknowledge MISS Tonight.

[2:45:11] They're now saying the dollars

[2:45:12] did not do it. And now tonight

[2:45:14] they're saying he did do it.

[2:45:16] But we don't know what really

[2:45:17] happened. We were told to get

[2:45:21] it in litigation. You MAY not

[2:45:22] control the prosecutor, but

[2:45:26] you do control the purse. Hope

[2:45:26] this request require the

[2:45:30] footage for choir. A public

[2:45:32] accounting require meaningful

[2:45:34] oversight before you place.

[2:45:35] Nearly 400 million more

[2:45:37] dollars behind this

[2:45:39] department. But the story an

[2:45:39] exodus did not even with

[2:45:40] Tehran. You've got understand

[2:45:44] that. The midwives. They

[2:45:47] refuse to surrender life to

[2:45:50] demand of power. They

[2:45:52] understood that when death

[2:45:54] becomes organize, life has to

[2:45:56] get organized to. I'm almost

[2:45:59] let me say this. Your vote

[2:46:00] organized this city toward

[2:46:05] life. Your vote can declare

[2:46:07] that Indianapolis will not

[2:46:07] finance silence and college

[2:46:14] safety. Your vote can declare

[2:46:17] that black lives is worth more

[2:46:19] than protecting the

[2:46:19] institution from

[2:46:22] accountability. Do not give

[2:46:24] fair role. Another chariot,

[2:46:26] another police car. Another

[2:46:34] ratings. Do not phone refuse

[2:46:35] to confront. You need to hold

[2:46:40] impd accountable. You need to

[2:46:41] really adds to real questions

[2:46:41] of what's going on where this

[2:46:44] money is going. And we need

[2:46:46] justice for dollars. Check.

[2:46:47] Thank you for your comments.

[2:46:54] Are. Well South Pasco, Johnny

[2:46:56] Hall, just terrific. And

[2:47:01] William Smith. One read off 2

[2:47:06] more names. Please escort. No

[2:47:11] rg Thank you. Good evening,

[2:47:12] Josh Reddick. The other for me

[2:47:12] got kicked out. I was for a

[2:47:14] moment, kicked out the

[2:47:17] escalating in the hallway.

[2:47:18] Some reason I was asked to

[2:47:20] leave despite trying to keep

[2:47:21] peace in the space for that

[2:47:26] brand for tonight. I MISS My

[2:47:27] update on my daughter's

[2:47:27] cheerleading because I had to

[2:47:31] be here. I want to see if she

[2:47:31] made the team. In fact, I've

[2:47:32] been coming here for 10 years

[2:47:35] now since I got to the city.

[2:47:35] As I've gotten to the city,

[2:47:36] have seen a community that is

[2:47:38] desperate for change in deeply

[2:47:38] hungry for something

[2:47:42] different. A city that has so

[2:47:43] much potential and so much

[2:47:44] pent-up energy that you all

[2:47:47] saw as a fraction in the room.

[2:47:48] The city can't move forward

[2:47:49] because committees like this

[2:47:50] one, nothing more than to hold

[2:47:53] it back. Every year. We come

[2:47:55] in here and you handled the

[2:47:56] scent with greater force to

[2:47:57] handle critique was silent.

[2:47:58] You handle invitations for

[2:47:58] innovations like it's a

[2:47:59] foreign language. You can

[2:48:03] speak. And each year you've

[2:48:03] resisted building the public

[2:48:04] safety system that meets the

[2:48:05] needs of this moment in the

[2:48:08] future of our city. It's

[2:48:09] costing us, as Erica said

[2:48:10] earlier is going to cause some

[2:48:13] of the seats, too. We are

[2:48:14] marching towards a fiscal

[2:48:17] crisis in the city. And you

[2:48:18] let the mayor and the fop both

[2:48:21] you every single year. Instead

[2:48:22] of fighting back, you believe

[2:48:22] the people that come in here

[2:48:25] and say that's not enough.

[2:48:27] Every year you come in here

[2:48:27] and some of your districts

[2:48:28] where we have the highest

[2:48:29] number of police action

[2:48:29] shootings and you say nothing

[2:48:33] about it. Have the highest

[2:48:34] number of overdoses that need

[2:48:36] a different kind of response

[2:48:37] because in my neighborhood

[2:48:38] when the cop show up during an

[2:48:40] overdose, they take the bat

[2:48:40] product they thrown in the

[2:48:41] trash can to the cops are

[2:48:44] going overdose again. Folks

[2:48:45] need treatment. They can't

[2:48:46] access it because our single

[2:48:47] point of contact is the same

[2:48:48] point of contact that shows up

[2:48:51] every other kind response. The

[2:48:52] absence of creativity is

[2:48:53] costing lives and it's costing

[2:48:56] every taxpayer in the city.

[2:48:58] And until that is understood

[2:48:59] and changed our move, it's

[2:49:00] going to keep building power

[2:49:01] to find some folks who do

[2:49:01] understand that. Thank you.

[2:49:10] Thank you for your comments.

[2:49:10] William Smith, Wayne Township

[2:49:14] Precinct, Captain. And I want

[2:49:15] to do what I do best speak-up

[2:49:16] impromptu, something I wrote

[2:49:18] tonight. Night shots and I

[2:49:21] thought I knew what happened.

[2:49:23] Yeah, I see that was not as it

[2:49:25] seems as I watched listened to

[2:49:26] the chief, the silence was

[2:49:29] deafening. That's I ask what

[2:49:32] exactly is transparency? Is it

[2:49:33] kicking out those emotions run

[2:49:39] hot? Is it a question of

[2:49:39] 40 million dollars ball Dallas

[2:49:40] Jets starter they grow up,

[2:49:42] never knowing their father.

[2:49:42] Resident question of 9 shots

[2:49:45] on the back and that waiting

[2:49:46] for answers that keeps

[2:49:51] shifting like quicksand. I ask

[2:49:52] something just stand here and

[2:49:53] accept the answers that we're

[2:49:56] given. I say no, not while

[2:49:59] Dallas Jets, Texas, from

[2:50:00] tooth. Now I see so many

[2:50:03] removed from the council room.

[2:50:03] Being shot in the back. Simply

[2:50:05] speaking their minds or even

[2:50:08] laughter. Thank you. Thank you

[2:50:15] for your comments. But looks

[2:50:15] like uncertainty rebut 3

[2:50:18] winnings. Sorry, sir. You do

[2:50:19] it. Well, read these names

[2:50:25] are. Danny Abdullah Gray

[2:50:28] Steinhardt Tour and Everett.

[2:50:30] Gar jet and then see whole

[2:50:31] Grain. Thank you, sir. Thank

[2:50:36] you. As clerk. Write, my name

[2:50:37] is not a line with the party

[2:50:40] for Socialism and Liberation.

[2:50:42] I honestly have to say I was

[2:50:42] really disgusted with the

[2:50:43] behavior of this council

[2:50:46] earlier this evening. A lot of

[2:50:46] people like Council Bryant

[2:50:49] Brown said that came out of

[2:50:51] this meeting to, you know, so

[2:50:53] there their concern and care

[2:50:55] for community and for Dallas

[2:50:57] jet who was shot 9 times by

[2:51:01] tying Terry's police force.

[2:51:02] And we if she was such a great

[2:51:04] leader. She would have been

[2:51:05] meeting with the family

[2:51:07] meeting with the community

[2:51:08] trying to smooth things over

[2:51:11] and we never saw that happen.

[2:51:12] We never got the answers that

[2:51:14] we want. We haven't seen the

[2:51:18] complete video footage. So,

[2:51:19] you know, Perkins makes a good

[2:51:20] point that it's a few bad

[2:51:20] apples, but we've got to

[2:51:22] finish the quo. A few bad

[2:51:27] apple spoils the bunch. And so

[2:51:31] we have a system of cops and I

[2:51:32] don't think black caps will do

[2:51:33] it because James, by always,

[2:51:40] he told us that the black caps

[2:51:40] have more to prove. So we

[2:51:42] needs a complete overhaul of

[2:51:43] impd. We need a complete

[2:51:45] overhaul of this council. I

[2:51:48] was completely discuss to like

[2:51:49] people showed up to really

[2:51:50] voice there, just their

[2:51:53] displeasure with impd. And

[2:51:55] this is what we did. We threw

[2:51:56] out a black man and you threw

[2:51:59] out a black man. Robertson,

[2:52:00] because time that some funding

[2:52:00] to says that a lot of funny

[2:52:07] sit. So we don't want this

[2:52:09] 400 million dollars going so

[2:52:10] impd we would rather

[2:52:11] reallocated better things like

[2:52:14] our infrastructure like are,

[2:52:15] you know, we had devastating

[2:52:20] floods in the city. I'm like

[2:52:20] giving us some better panned

[2:52:21] jobs. Like maybe I could be

[2:52:22] thinking about ways to do

[2:52:26] that. Other thing, giving them

[2:52:27] 400 billion 1 million dollar

[2:52:28] blank check like they don't

[2:52:28] need it. They don't deserve

[2:52:29] it. Thank you for your

[2:52:40] comments. I'm Dani. I do love

[2:52:41] I am a mother, a social

[2:52:43] worker, a trauma. There is a

[2:52:44] member of the party for

[2:52:47] Socialism Liberation. And I'm

[2:52:50] also a far East Side resident

[2:52:53] where impd murder Dallas jet.

[2:52:55] And I'm here because I love

[2:52:55] the people, Indianapolis

[2:53:00] Conus. I know you have no

[2:53:00] intention of actually

[2:53:01] listening says, but there's a

[2:53:02] few things I gotta say. All

[2:53:03] right. So this is a pattern of

[2:53:07] behavior. Dallas does not one

[2:53:08] off incident. We have Adam. We

[2:53:10] have Gary Hero. And so this is

[2:53:12] an issue that predates Chief

[2:53:13] Terry, someone out here said

[2:53:15] that you, Terry, is a good

[2:53:15] police chief and I actually

[2:53:17] agree with job because she a

[2:53:18] puppet as you don't. Exactly

[2:53:20] what about his supposed to do

[2:53:21] right? I want to talk about in

[2:53:25] can I cat as a trauma there is

[2:53:28] mental health is near and dear

[2:53:29] to me, I know how to

[2:53:30] de-escalate a situation while

[2:53:32] killing people. And I've done

[2:53:33] it many times and I'm not the

[2:53:36] I'm not very tall. I've never

[2:53:38] killed anybody and every shiny

[2:53:38] body in the back when they

[2:53:40] were running away from me and,

[2:53:42] you continue to defund mental

[2:53:43] health. Impd wants 400 million

[2:53:47] dollars. Reverend Scruggs said

[2:53:48] outside, you don't get

[2:53:50] 400 million dollars. One

[2:53:52] dollars jet and his family

[2:53:54] still don't have answers to

[2:53:54] why their loved one has 9

[2:53:58] bullets in his back. 25% of

[2:54:02] the budget is going impd.

[2:54:03] Budget has doubled since 2017

[2:54:04] and yet people continue to be

[2:54:06] killed and tortured. The issue

[2:54:09] is not recruitment. The people

[2:54:10] Indianapolis just don't become

[2:54:10] thugs and criminals that I

[2:54:12] think we are. That's what's

[2:54:15] going on right now. Kicking

[2:54:16] people out for being mean to

[2:54:19] the police chief for laughing

[2:54:21] at comments. But no one is

[2:54:22] getting kicked out impd for

[2:54:24] shooting people in back. That

[2:54:27] was was shot in the back 9

[2:54:28] times. But I want to keep

[2:54:30] talking about transparency.

[2:54:31] And yet his daddy is still not

[2:54:32] seeing the full footage. Young

[2:54:43] bull. Bauer, My name is rest

[2:54:44] and hurt. And I live in

[2:54:47] Lawrence Township have some

[2:54:48] comments about the flock

[2:54:49] cameras. The lpr is automatic

[2:54:51] license plate readers,

[2:54:53] Hendricks County and Johnson

[2:54:55] counties have flocked

[2:54:56] transparency hubs. Well,

[2:54:57] Marion County has drafts of

[2:54:57] standard operating procedures.

[2:54:58] We don't have any information

[2:55:00] about that publicly available.

[2:55:02] And impd officer was recently

[2:55:04] suspended for alpr misuse

[2:55:05] which we found out not from an

[2:55:07] audit. But from The Washington

[2:55:10] Post when Lprs misread, it is

[2:55:12] costly. Aurora, Colorado

[2:55:13] recently settled for 1.9

[2:55:17] million dollars for incident

[2:55:18] in Twenty-twenty where woman

[2:55:19] in her entire family were

[2:55:20] forced onto hot asphalt

[2:55:20] because they misread a minivan

[2:55:27] as a motorcycle. Next Lpr

[2:55:27] result in innocent people

[2:55:30] being arrested and held at

[2:55:31] gunpoint per Benjamin Franklin

[2:55:32] and the General Blackston

[2:55:34] ratio, legal principle. It is

[2:55:36] better for 100 guilty persons

[2:55:36] to escape than one innocent

[2:55:41] person should suffer

[2:55:43] computers. Make the push lower

[2:55:44] case letter l compared to a

[2:55:45] number one on the license

[2:55:46] plate can be very easily

[2:55:48] misread know would like to see

[2:55:49] the data on how ours is being

[2:55:52] used right now. We cannot

[2:55:54] afford to turn India into a

[2:55:54] Penndot. The connaught only

[2:55:56] for the moral quandaries. But

[2:55:58] for how much those settlements

[2:56:00] will cost our city over the

[2:56:01] next we'll say 10 years

[2:56:02] because litigation takes a lot

[2:56:06] of different time. Separately

[2:56:06] about impd officer should be

[2:56:09] from Marion County. There's

[2:56:13] nothing about us without we

[2:56:14] don't send National Guard from

[2:56:15] Ohio and Indiana help out.

[2:56:16] Should be our people. People

[2:56:19] have a stake in the community

[2:56:20] making those decisions. That's

[2:56:29] all I have. Thank. Thank you.

[2:56:32] Good My name. The story on

[2:56:33] Everett. My comments are going

[2:56:36] to be a little different

[2:56:38] public safety conversations

[2:56:40] can be very difficult as we've

[2:56:42] seen tonight. But

[2:56:44] accountability, trust strong

[2:56:45] community relationships remain

[2:56:46] essential to getting this work

[2:56:50] right. Last month, a

[2:56:53] participated in leadership.

[2:56:56] Indianapolis is Opportunity.

[2:56:56] Indianapolis program, where

[2:56:58] heard directly from Chief

[2:57:00] Terry and reviewed impd

[2:57:01] strategic plan that she spoke

[2:57:05] to this evening with food out

[2:57:06] was the focus on share

[2:57:08] responsibility. Stronger

[2:57:09] partnerships and getting more

[2:57:10] frontline officers into the

[2:57:13] neighborhoods they serve.

[2:57:17] Chief Terry also emphasize

[2:57:18] remaining acessible and what

[2:57:19] accessible and connected not

[2:57:21] simply leading from within the

[2:57:22] department. That matters

[2:57:23] because the strategic plan was

[2:57:27] informed by community input as

[2:57:28] council considers this budget.

[2:57:31] I encourage you to ensure that

[2:57:33] impd not only has the capacity

[2:57:34] for what he needs to do on a

[2:57:39] day-to-day basis, but also to

[2:57:40] fulfill its commitment to

[2:57:42] meaningful community

[2:57:43] engagement. Engagement cannot

[2:57:44] be ad hoc or occur only after

[2:57:49] a problem arises. It should

[2:57:50] mean consistent relationships,

[2:57:51] meaningful opportunities for

[2:57:52] residents to help inform

[2:57:55] public safety priorities and

[2:57:58] engagement of enforce prior to

[2:58:00] engagement of any enforcement

[2:58:03] situation. Trust is central in

[2:58:04] that work. Residents should

[2:58:05] feel that engagement with impd

[2:58:07] is respectful, inconsistent

[2:58:08] and that their concerns are

[2:58:11] heard and taken seriously.

[2:58:12] That work should also be

[2:58:14] measured where engagement is

[2:58:16] happening. Who is being

[2:58:18] reached and whether residents

[2:58:20] feel heard respected and

[2:58:20] meaningfully engage public

[2:58:22] safety requires

[2:58:26] accountability. Transparency

[2:58:27] and genuine partnership

[2:58:28] between law enforcement,

[2:58:31] government and community. The

[2:58:32] strategic direction is there

[2:58:32] now we just have to do the

[2:58:33] action. Thank you. Thank you

[2:58:37] for your comments. Are. Read a

[2:58:44] few more names store council

[2:58:51] chief. My name is Deirdre. It

[2:58:52] and the oldest brother of

[2:58:54] Dallas, j. This is my sister

[2:59:00] Asia right here. I wrote a

[2:59:01] statement was going for like

[2:59:06] to that. Chief. I represent a

[2:59:08] whole lot of people outside

[2:59:11] and around the community who

[2:59:12] are hurting and seek a level

[2:59:14] of accountability that way.

[2:59:16] Quite frankly, the

[2:59:19] unprecedented and transcending

[2:59:19] in making Indianapolis and

[2:59:26] overall safest for us. All.

[2:59:27] Respectfully, none of the

[2:59:27] safety training that you

[2:59:29] mention tonight to the

[2:59:31] COUNCILMAN Was handled in the

[2:59:32] situation with those. And

[2:59:32] that's based off of the

[2:59:33] limited footage that we've

[2:59:36] been able to see. There wasn't

[2:59:37] any level of the escalation

[2:59:40] process with my brother. I

[2:59:42] want to thank everyone that

[2:59:44] came out The outpouring love

[2:59:45] and support for our family

[2:59:47] that we received in this

[2:59:48] devastating time seeing so

[2:59:50] many people come together to

[2:59:51] stand with us and on our

[2:59:52] Dallas means more than I can

[2:59:56] put into words. Thank you guys

[2:59:57] for sure in our family that we

[2:59:59] that we're not standing alone.

[3:00:01] Our family is grieving. But we

[3:00:06] are continuing to seek truth.

[3:00:07] Accountability like you

[3:00:08] tonight, chief Dallas's Life

[3:00:14] matter. Obviously please

[3:00:16] continue to stand with this

[3:00:19] peacefully and with purpose as

[3:00:20] we make sure his name is not

[3:00:22] forgotten. I appreciate the

[3:00:23] COUNCILMAN Today who spoke to

[3:00:26] the high emotions in the room,

[3:00:27] your support and diligence in

[3:00:28] holding our public officials

[3:00:35] accountable is appreciated. I

[3:00:36] have some some more thoughts.

[3:00:46] I think that I think it's not

[3:00:47] true. The Dallas checks out

[3:00:52] any police officers. That is

[3:00:58] the misinformation of impd

[3:01:00] Thank Thank you. Thank you.

[3:01:08] Thank you for your comments.

[3:01:09] My name is Lindsay whole grave

[3:01:11] and I'm with the people who

[3:01:13] are here tonight to say how

[3:01:13] now to giving killer cops.

[3:01:15] 400 million dollars. And the

[3:01:19] last 10 years impd is budget

[3:01:21] has nearly doubled from

[3:01:23] 227 million in 2017 alone. So

[3:01:26] I have to ask as I am pt, sold

[3:01:30] twice as much crimes that in

[3:01:31] 2017, actually the answer is

[3:01:32] not because I did the research

[3:01:36] myself. Let's look at impd

[3:01:37] zone data and joins 2017. Impd

[3:01:38] saw that. They said that they

[3:01:42] saw only 33% of homicides, 15%

[3:01:43] of robberies and 9% of crimes

[3:01:46] like rape or sell in 2023. The

[3:01:47] last year that they've

[3:01:49] published these comparable

[3:01:50] records, they saw 32% of

[3:01:51] homicides and 14% of

[3:01:53] robberies, both down one

[3:01:55] percent and only 12% of

[3:01:58] crimes. Just a 3% increase.

[3:01:59] You're taking twice as much of

[3:02:00] our money and instead of doing

[3:02:03] anything to keep people safe

[3:02:05] from I'm standing, it looks

[3:02:06] like you're doing is using our

[3:02:07] money to terrorize Black

[3:02:13] Indianapolis. Is many people

[3:02:14] here that stand with me and

[3:02:16] I'm going to say the names

[3:02:17] that impd has murdered from

[3:02:21] 2017. We have Aaron Bailey,

[3:02:24] Daniel Cedars Dashawn Downing

[3:02:25] owner nor thing Jays on read

[3:02:27] McIlroy. Those action movie

[3:02:29] and her unborn son, Marcus

[3:02:32] Lewis, Jr on a lead afford

[3:02:33] just Elan Gary Harrell,

[3:02:33] Freddie Davis, Herman

[3:02:36] Whitfield, 3 the 3rd Adam

[3:02:37] sites. And now because of your

[3:02:39] refusal to muzzle this

[3:02:40] dangerous game, they have

[3:02:43] murdered Alice jet. The blood

[3:02:47] of all these victims are on

[3:02:50] your hands. And if you vote to

[3:02:51] give impd 400 million dollars,

[3:02:55] it will not ever come from

[3:02:56] your hands. That will forever

[3:02:59] be blood on your hands. So

[3:03:02] fire arrest and convict and

[3:03:05] jail. Although line killer

[3:03:08] cops, because that's our mind.

[3:03:09] This council justice get

[3:03:15] peaks.

[3:03:19] Do what's right clerk you

[3:03:22] having more names on there,

[3:03:23] follow comments or questions

[3:03:26] from causes for the chief.

[3:03:27] Seeing none. Thank you. Final

[3:03:32] comments. Chief. No, thank

[3:03:33] you. CHAIRMAN Robinson and

[3:03:35] thank you counselors for the

[3:03:37] opportunity to have a

[3:03:38] meaningful conversation. And

[3:03:38] think you will take brief

[3:03:41] recess. Prove it. Chief of a

[3:03:42] blow come Freeman recessed the

[3:03:56] transition.

[3:04:42] I count. Thank

[3:04:46] you. We're going to get

[3:04:47] started if we could. And we're

[3:04:51] going to give the floor She

[3:04:52] from alone. Once everybody

[3:05:06] accidents. All right. Chief

[3:05:08] floor is yours. Appreciate

[3:05:10] your patients. See me. All

[3:05:12] right. Good evening,

[3:05:13] counselors thank you all for

[3:05:14] being here. I know it's late

[3:05:17] in the hour. Weve got

[3:05:18] important things to talk to

[3:05:18] you about, but we will be

[3:05:20] purposeful as we move through

[3:05:23] the the power point. But after

[3:05:24] thanking us certainly want to

[3:05:28] thank our staff members,

[3:05:29] members of the executive

[3:05:30] command staff that are here

[3:05:33] with us. I always appreciate

[3:05:34] the support of Indianapolis

[3:05:36] Professional firefighters

[3:05:37] Union PRESIDENT Shannon Wiley,

[3:05:40] who's also here with tonight

[3:05:43] supporting this effort. If we

[3:05:44] want to go right into the

[3:05:46] slides are gone. I want to

[3:05:51] talk to you. About 3 games

[3:05:52] this evening. One is our

[3:05:54] accomplishments, progress and

[3:05:56] lessons learned. We're going

[3:05:59] to talk about our fiscal

[3:05:59] responsibility and

[3:06:00] efficiencies and our budget

[3:06:01] priorities and alignment. One

[3:06:02] thing I want to point if you

[3:06:06] can see the slide, but you'll

[3:06:08] see our fine cfo that I'm

[3:06:10] joined with tonight. Don sites

[3:06:15] ran, do each year in. Que won

[3:06:15] of each year. We have what we

[3:06:19] call a finance retreat. We

[3:06:19] served breakfast, says and

[3:06:22] breakfast and lunch and we

[3:06:23] bring all of our staff

[3:06:25] members. It's located a

[3:06:26] civilian clothes and we go

[3:06:29] over the budget and identify

[3:06:30] spending plans so they know

[3:06:34] how their piece of our service

[3:06:36] delivery and then Ifd how they

[3:06:38] fit in the proverbial big

[3:06:40] picture. It's a very

[3:06:42] well-received event, but it

[3:06:43] speaks to how seriously we

[3:06:44] take our budget management. We

[3:06:45] do that each year and on leads

[3:06:51] the way. Next slide. The next

[3:06:52] one is are what we call our

[3:06:56] pillars of performance. They

[3:06:58] include our customer service,

[3:07:01] fiscal responsibility, capital

[3:07:03] improvements, community

[3:07:04] engagement, leadership,

[3:07:06] development, operational

[3:07:07] efficiencies, the all

[3:07:08] important health wellness and

[3:07:10] safety of our staff and

[3:07:15] professional development. I

[3:07:16] want to highlight our

[3:07:18] structure, our executive staff

[3:07:19] and our people will touch on

[3:07:21] that in future slides. But I

[3:07:24] wanted Present our mission

[3:07:27] statement to you, Don, is

[3:07:28] going to bring that up so you

[3:07:30] can see it is what we live by

[3:07:32] every day. Want to protect

[3:07:33] lives, property and the

[3:07:37] environment while serving this

[3:07:38] community with courage,

[3:07:39] commitment and compassion. And

[3:07:43] I'm so proud to serve with the

[3:07:45] other 13 124 members of this

[3:07:49] department, 1276 Warren

[3:07:52] firefighters and an incredible

[3:07:53] 48 member civilian staff,

[3:07:53] which tell you every year, I

[3:07:56] wouldn't even want to imagine

[3:07:58] trying to do what we do

[3:07:59] without our civilian I'm so

[3:08:02] grateful for them. The second

[3:08:03] part is our success

[3:08:08] indicators. But tell our staff

[3:08:11] if what you want to what you

[3:08:12] bring to us doesn't touch one

[3:08:13] of these areas. I'm really

[3:08:14] going to want to know why

[3:08:17] we're doing it. Success

[3:08:18] indicator number one's serve

[3:08:20] our customers that both our

[3:08:20] internal customers and the

[3:08:24] public. Run the business.

[3:08:25] We're talking to you tonight

[3:08:27] about a 298 million dollar

[3:08:28] budget. And we need to be

[3:08:32] very, very frugal with that.

[3:08:33] Manage our resources, our

[3:08:34] stations, our tools, our

[3:08:37] equipment, our apparatus. And

[3:08:38] then lastly, but certainly not

[3:08:39] least. We want to continue the

[3:08:42] development of our people. The

[3:08:46] next slide is our 4 service

[3:08:48] bureaus. Everything in the

[3:08:49] department comes up between

[3:08:52] these areas of administration

[3:08:53] community risk reduction,

[3:08:53] logistics and our operations

[3:09:00] bureau. I mentioned the 1276

[3:09:02] firefighters. Remind you that

[3:09:05] 94% of Indianapolis

[3:09:07] firefighters are on the street

[3:09:08] running out of neighborhood

[3:09:10] stations protecting this

[3:09:12] public much to the chagrin of

[3:09:14] the people sitting behind me,

[3:09:17] I think and others. We have a

[3:09:18] very slim and minutes straight

[3:09:20] of staff. But as long as we're

[3:09:22] here, those resources will be

[3:09:22] on the street serving the

[3:09:25] public in that capacity. They

[3:09:27] have very important jobs. The

[3:09:30] 76 administrative staff, but

[3:09:31] we will always concentrate on

[3:09:34] our service delivery out

[3:09:36] there. 65 recruits are part of

[3:09:39] our ask in the 2020 7 budget

[3:09:40] that we're presenting to you

[3:09:42] tonight. We would hope if

[3:09:44] approved these folks would

[3:09:47] start in early JANUARY of 2027

[3:09:49] and this is to keep up with

[3:09:53] our anticipated attrition and

[3:09:55] the department, you know, the

[3:09:56] makeup of the department's, I

[3:09:56] won't spend time going through

[3:09:59] that again. The next slide is

[3:10:03] just for information purposes.

[3:10:05] Our average age of our fire

[3:10:07] fighters. These are the sworn

[3:10:09] members. 43 and a half years

[3:10:10] of age and seniority at 15

[3:10:18] years. Are hiring and

[3:10:19] professional development. I'll

[3:10:20] let you can read through the

[3:10:21] hiring process is pretty

[3:10:22] standard. We have a written

[3:10:24] test in Aurora interview. We

[3:10:25] have what's called the See

[3:10:28] pad. The candidate physical

[3:10:29] ability test. That's a

[3:10:31] university universally used

[3:10:32] testing the fire service much

[3:10:35] like an ops. 2 course. The

[3:10:37] candidates go through. It's a

[3:10:39] timed event. It's pass fail.

[3:10:40] You don't get more points for

[3:10:40] going fast. It's 10 minutes

[3:10:43] and 20 seconds. And if you

[3:10:46] pass it, then you move on in

[3:10:48] our process. We continue our

[3:10:48] ongoing operational training.

[3:10:52] Our firefighters have fire

[3:10:53] fire service and ems training

[3:10:56] that they have to complete

[3:10:57] every year. I do always brag

[3:10:58] about our career development

[3:11:02] and college bridge. When

[3:11:03] recruit is sitting and recruit

[3:11:04] school. They can look at our

[3:11:07] career development manual and

[3:11:09] say I aspire to be a battalion

[3:11:11] chief and they can look at

[3:11:13] that book and know exactly

[3:11:14] what courses, how long

[3:11:15] everything they need to do

[3:11:17] that and we don't move the

[3:11:19] finish line on. We help them

[3:11:21] decide early on how to prepare

[3:11:23] for what they want to do and

[3:11:28] then college bridges program

[3:11:30] when initiated encompasses

[3:11:31] both brick and mortar and

[3:11:33] online universities that we

[3:11:34] partner with that. Look at the

[3:11:35] training. I have the

[3:11:38] firefighters go through. They

[3:11:39] assign a credit value for

[3:11:41] that. Right now it's trending

[3:11:43] much rain, 30 to 40 credit

[3:11:45] hours. And that's toward a

[3:11:48] full degree at those

[3:11:49] institutions. I think we have

[3:11:50] 12 or 13 that are partnering

[3:11:53] with us now. And then we

[3:11:54] always want to continue as in

[3:11:56] our for success in Decatur,

[3:11:57] the professional development

[3:12:01] of our people. This next

[3:12:02] slide. I'll just hit on the

[3:12:05] box. The wellness first. I

[3:12:08] attribute tribute this too.

[3:12:09] When we talk about response

[3:12:10] times. But I want to be very

[3:12:13] clear on this response time

[3:12:13] for us is not just getting to

[3:12:16] the scene quickly. We want to

[3:12:20] meet our Nfpa 17, 50 standard

[3:12:22] of 4 minutes for the first

[3:12:24] apparatus and 8 minutes for

[3:12:24] full complement. But what that

[3:12:27] means to me is a fully

[3:12:32] trained, fully equipped.

[3:12:33] Motivated the whole person.

[3:12:36] And that's where we get the

[3:12:37] mental physical, spiritual and

[3:12:37] emotional well-being of that

[3:12:39] individual. Because guess

[3:12:40] what, that's the person is

[3:12:42] going to do the best job when

[3:12:46] they respond your home. Your

[3:12:47] business are somebody you care

[3:12:48] about. So we will always

[3:12:50] concentrate on whole percent

[3:12:56] to deliver those services.

[3:12:58] Just a community engagement

[3:13:01] will be hit briefly on our

[3:13:02] targeted initiatives, our

[3:13:03] partnerships and again, pre

[3:13:04] packed protecting our most

[3:13:08] back, vulnerable people. On

[3:13:10] the next slide. I want to

[3:13:12] always remind you of something

[3:13:15] we're very proud of is our

[3:13:16] international accreditation.

[3:13:18] And so one rating that

[3:13:19] positions our community in a

[3:13:22] very elite status. There's

[3:13:24] 30,000 fire departments in the

[3:13:26] United States as of 9, 1, of

[3:13:28] this year, there's 334 that

[3:13:30] are internationally

[3:13:31] accredited. And if that was an

[3:13:35] elite enough. Those who

[3:13:37] continue on and challenge

[3:13:38] themselves with the iso rating

[3:13:41] us a rating from one to 10,

[3:13:42] one being the best in 10.

[3:13:44] Meaning you have a lot of work

[3:13:49] to do. There's only 127 out of

[3:13:51] 30,000 that meet both those

[3:13:52] standards and your

[3:13:52] Indianapolis Fire Department

[3:13:56] is one out in math. That's 0

[3:14:02] point. O 4% or it means 99.9,

[3:14:03] 6% of our nation's fire

[3:14:07] service does not and is not

[3:14:07] protected by fire Department

[3:14:09] of that quality. And we're

[3:14:14] very proud of Move on and on

[3:14:18] the next one is example. I

[3:14:18] wanted to show you how we

[3:14:21] gauge and monitor our progress

[3:14:23] in reaching our goals. This is

[3:14:24] just a snapshot of them. But

[3:14:26] are planning division. Lets us

[3:14:30] know how are trending if we're

[3:14:31] headed. If we're on track or

[3:14:33] we're behind what we need to

[3:14:35] do to catch up. So we do this

[3:14:36] measurement with each of our

[3:14:42] sign goals and priorities.

[3:14:43] Managing our dollars. I'll let

[3:14:45] you read through that. But our

[3:14:45] quartermaster service, I talk

[3:14:50] about them a lot. It's one of

[3:14:51] the pillars of our service

[3:14:52] talk about it nationally and

[3:14:53] other departments want to copy

[3:14:55] what we do. We can't

[3:14:57] firefighter whose had a fire

[3:14:58] and needs their gear cleaned

[3:15:02] are so Dar serviced in some

[3:15:04] way can bring that gear in on

[3:15:06] Monday. If they work, let the

[3:15:08] quartermaster know that need

[3:15:11] service. We will pick it up.

[3:15:13] It will be have a hospital

[3:15:15] grade ozone level cleaning any

[3:15:15] repairs that need to be done

[3:15:18] will be done. And when that

[3:15:19] firefighter comes back to work

[3:15:20] on Thursday, that gears at the

[3:15:22] station waiting on that and

[3:15:23] all they have to do is let us

[3:15:25] know that needs to be Clint.

[3:15:27] That's part of our cancer

[3:15:29] prevention and making sure

[3:15:29] we're doing everything we can

[3:15:34] to keep our people safe. Some

[3:15:35] of our priorities and goals.

[3:15:36] I'll let you read through that

[3:15:40] is always on. Readily

[3:15:40] available to you. If you have

[3:15:43] any questions about any of

[3:15:45] these. But for time's sake,

[3:15:47] you can bring them up when do

[3:15:49] have questions. But we'll move

[3:15:50] on through that. And you

[3:15:50] certainly can redo those

[3:15:55] priorities and goals. Some of

[3:15:56] what the residents should

[3:15:58] expect from us next year.

[3:15:59] We've identified 270 what we

[3:16:03] call high-risk structures. We

[3:16:05] are going to get in those

[3:16:06] buildings, inspect those

[3:16:09] developed pre plans and make

[3:16:10] them safe for our people to

[3:16:11] whether they work there. They

[3:16:13] visit there. They play there.

[3:16:14] We've identified those

[3:16:16] priorities and we're going to

[3:16:16] make sure that those

[3:16:20] structures are safe. We have a

[3:16:21] very limited deputy fire

[3:16:24] marshal staff and our fire and

[3:16:27] life safety division. There's

[3:16:28] over. 35,000 Inspector

[3:16:31] Parcells in our community. We

[3:16:32] did research a few years ago

[3:16:32] that said a deputy fire

[3:16:35] marshal can do about 600

[3:16:37] inspections a year

[3:16:39] individually. So 600 times 15

[3:16:41] doesn't get you to 35,000. So

[3:16:45] we've been creative. We do

[3:16:46] some company inspections, but

[3:16:48] we've entered into 2

[3:16:51] agreements with contractor

[3:16:52] contract inspectors to help us

[3:16:53] kind of bridge that gap. And

[3:16:56] we're projecting 21,000

[3:16:58] additional inspections at that

[3:16:59] group will will help us with a

[3:17:01] good go past the Pulse point

[3:17:03] activation. But I do want to

[3:17:04] communicate to you. We have a

[3:17:07] list of 30 comparable fire

[3:17:08] departments across the nation

[3:17:12] that we look at we speak to

[3:17:14] them often. We don't have to

[3:17:15] reinvent the wheel on

[3:17:17] everything. So we looked at

[3:17:17] Seattle and Kansas City who

[3:17:19] have already implement Pulse

[3:17:20] point and what it'll do. It's

[3:17:24] it's app that people who are

[3:17:28] certified in cpr already, we

[3:17:29] can let them know that there's

[3:17:30] an incident in a public space,

[3:17:33] not in a private space going

[3:17:34] on. We can alert them that

[3:17:35] there's an emergency. We can

[3:17:39] tell them where the close is.

[3:17:39] Automatic electronic

[3:17:44] defibrillator is and in this

[3:17:46] example, we feel like close to

[3:17:48] 2000. We'll have 2000

[3:17:49] opportunities make a

[3:17:49] difference in Somebodys Day

[3:17:52] with this program. So we're

[3:17:53] excited about launching next

[3:18:01] year. And before turn it over

[3:18:03] to Don, I did want to bring

[3:18:03] this light to light,

[3:18:05] especially the middle box.

[3:18:08] It's what we do. When we talk

[3:18:12] about Ifd a good value. If you

[3:18:14] take our proposed 2027 budget

[3:18:15] and you divide it by what the

[3:18:18] census as our population. And

[3:18:20] then you divide that number by

[3:18:21] 365 days. You come up with

[3:18:25] $0.83 Less than a bottle of

[3:18:27] water, our bag of chips or cup

[3:18:28] of coffee. You might have

[3:18:29] gotten to get through this

[3:18:33] meeting tonight. For $0.83 You

[3:18:35] don't you don't get Urnas

[3:18:37] Malone. You get every

[3:18:38] Indianapolis firefighter, all

[3:18:40] our tools, equipment,

[3:18:40] knowledge in heart and

[3:18:43] ability. And we're going to

[3:18:44] calm and make it better for

[3:18:47] you. The other thing I want

[3:18:49] pass on before I pass it on

[3:18:50] the dollar want you to think

[3:18:51] about and I tell our people to

[3:18:53] take great pride in that in

[3:18:54] the United States Fire Service

[3:18:57] when something happens, you

[3:18:57] call us and we have to make it

[3:19:01] better. There's nobody else to

[3:19:02] call whether you're 100 feet

[3:19:03] up in the air or 100 feet

[3:19:07] below the water trapped in a

[3:19:09] in a trench, confined space.

[3:19:10] Our whatever emergency you MAY

[3:19:15] have fire is just a portion of

[3:19:16] what we do to call us the fire

[3:19:18] department doesn't even come

[3:19:21] close to our responsibilities.

[3:19:22] And it is a great

[3:19:22] responsibility. But one we

[3:19:26] wear with pride because

[3:19:26] America's fire service will be

[3:19:29] there when you calls no matter

[3:19:29] the emergency. And you get us

[3:19:31] for $0.83 a day. So I think

[3:19:36] we're of arc. The red boxes.

[3:19:38] Just I always remind you,

[3:19:43] folks being an iso. One rating

[3:19:44] does not lower insurance

[3:19:46] premiums, but it holds the

[3:19:48] line on. If you look at our

[3:19:51] surrounding any state that

[3:19:52] touches Indiana, you'll see

[3:19:54] those rates climbing at a

[3:19:56] higher rate for residents to

[3:19:58] hear. And that is due in large

[3:20:01] part to the rating of your

[3:20:02] fire department. So with that,

[3:20:04] i want to pass it on to Donald

[3:20:05] walking through our numbers

[3:20:13] for 2020 cent. So good

[3:20:14] afternoon community committee

[3:20:16] members. Again, my name is Don

[3:20:17] sites. Randall and I am the

[3:20:19] cfo for the Indianapolis Fire

[3:20:20] Department. And I'm going to

[3:20:22] take just a few minutes to

[3:20:22] review the budget portion of

[3:20:26] our presentation. Our 2027

[3:20:30] budget introduced budget is

[3:20:31] 298.9 million and of this

[3:20:35] amount. 85% covers personnel

[3:20:35] which includes salary and

[3:20:36] benefits for our sworn

[3:20:39] firefighters and civilians.

[3:20:40] Retirement payouts, monthly

[3:20:41] pension payments and funeral

[3:20:45] benefits. Recognizing the

[3:20:46] personnel is our largest part

[3:20:48] of our budget. The remaining

[3:20:50] 15% covers are operational

[3:20:50] costs, which I'll discuss in

[3:20:51] more detail on the character

[3:20:56] sites. So we talk about

[3:20:57] budgets on one side of our

[3:20:58] budget. We have the expense,

[3:21:00] which is what we are paying

[3:21:02] for. The other side of our

[3:21:03] budget is the revenue, which

[3:21:03] is the cash to cover what

[3:21:06] we're paying for most of it.

[3:21:08] These revenue or cash come

[3:21:09] from property and income

[3:21:11] taxes. So any fluctuations in

[3:21:12] these taxes could have an

[3:21:15] impact on our budget. Other

[3:21:16] than taxes. It collects a

[3:21:19] small amount of revenue for

[3:21:20] building inspections and can

[3:21:22] step construction. Plan

[3:21:26] reviews and these inspections

[3:21:26] and plan reviews are supported

[3:21:27] by civilian our civilian

[3:21:29] effort to ease as well as

[3:21:30] outside contracts, which Chief

[3:21:31] Malone mentioned earlier in

[3:21:38] the presentation. Recognizing

[3:21:40] the tax revenue limitations.

[3:21:41] It does regularly apply for

[3:21:44] grants to support personnel in

[3:21:45] operational costs. Currently

[3:21:47] we have pending applications

[3:21:49] for safer, which is our

[3:21:49] staffing grant and also the

[3:21:50] assistance to firefighters

[3:21:52] grant for equipment.

[3:21:53] Additionally over the last few

[3:21:54] years, we've been successful

[3:21:59] with was a grant has helped us

[3:22:00] fund equipment for our special

[3:22:02] operations and ems program and

[3:22:02] then off. And also, course,

[3:22:05] we have the Indiana task Force

[3:22:06] one, which is federally funded

[3:22:12] by fema each year. When we

[3:22:13] look at our budget by

[3:22:16] character. Look at our budget,

[3:22:17] but sorry, but we look at our

[3:22:19] budgets by character. We know

[3:22:21] the personnel is our largest

[3:22:22] expense and it's mostly funded

[3:22:23] by the fire General Fund in

[3:22:26] 2027. The fire general fun is

[3:22:28] picking up 50 firefighters who

[3:22:30] were previously covered by a

[3:22:32] safer grant which expires

[3:22:34] JANUARY of 2027. So this

[3:22:35] contributes a good portion of

[3:22:36] the increase that were seen in

[3:22:38] 2027 for fire. General.

[3:22:39] Additionally, the increase is

[3:22:41] a result of labor agreement.

[3:22:44] Cola as well as the Indiana

[3:22:45] public retirement contribution

[3:22:48] requirements was. 23.3% is in

[3:22:48] increase of twenty-six 0.3%

[3:22:51] for 2027. So those are the

[3:22:52] things that are contributing

[3:22:53] to the fire general increase

[3:22:57] in 2027. Alternatively,

[3:23:00] though, the Federal Grant Fund

[3:23:01] is decreasing 27 2027 as a

[3:23:03] result of those 50

[3:23:04] firefighters moving off of the

[3:23:04] grant fund over to the fire

[3:23:05] General Fund. And then

[3:23:09] finally, the fire pension dot,

[3:23:11] Fire pension fund is slightly

[3:23:12] down as there are fewer

[3:23:12] pension obligations that we

[3:23:19] have to make next year. We

[3:23:20] look at supplies. There is an

[3:23:22] increase in fire general,

[3:23:23] which is a result of contract

[3:23:25] increases. And this is

[3:23:26] primarily within our

[3:23:27] Quartermaster Division, which

[3:23:28] supports the purchase of fired

[3:23:30] year personal protective

[3:23:31] equipment, such as boots,

[3:23:33] gloves, helmets, shields. And

[3:23:37] station where? Everything else

[3:23:38] flat. 2027 character to for

[3:23:43] supplies. Then and character 3

[3:23:45] for services. Only fire

[3:23:45] general reflects an increase

[3:23:46] which is driven by contracts

[3:23:50] and monthly bills. Other than

[3:23:50] that, there are no changes in

[3:23:51] the other funds with in

[3:23:57] character. 3. For character

[3:23:58] for equipment, our capital.

[3:24:01] There is an increase in the

[3:24:02] Federal Grant Fund, which

[3:24:03] includes our pending grant

[3:24:04] applications for the

[3:24:05] assistance to firefighters.

[3:24:07] Grant program. We have

[3:24:08] applications outstanding for

[3:24:10] fire hose cardiac monitors and

[3:24:10] a safety trailer which would

[3:24:13] fall under this equipment.

[3:24:15] Also the fire the fund has a

[3:24:17] minimal increase which covers

[3:24:19] rising costs for air

[3:24:21] management program and that

[3:24:23] they that division asking

[3:24:24] regulators for are

[3:24:25] self-contained breathing

[3:24:30] apparatus, cbs. Finally, we

[3:24:32] have character 5, our internal

[3:24:33] charge backs, which also

[3:24:35] reflects an increase for both

[3:24:36] Fleet and Office of

[3:24:39] Corporation Counsel. So we

[3:24:43] talked about our budget on the

[3:24:44] character level which breaks

[3:24:46] things down by the category.

[3:24:47] However, this next slide shows

[3:24:49] us how our budget it added

[3:24:50] allocated by program are

[3:24:51] specific function and some of

[3:24:54] these are self-explanatory. So

[3:24:55] I'll just highlight a few of

[3:25:00] these programs. Emergency

[3:25:02] operations is by far our

[3:25:02] largest program. And this

[3:25:03] includes our swan,

[3:25:04] firefighters, ems, and your

[3:25:07] management expenses include

[3:25:08] salaries and benefits for the

[3:25:09] individuals who firefighters.

[3:25:09] And that's working on the

[3:25:14] street. The cardiac monitors

[3:25:15] medical oversight and

[3:25:16] supplies, equipment and

[3:25:16] testing for breeding their

[3:25:20] systems. Within our

[3:25:21] administration program

[3:25:23] expenses for the chief's

[3:25:24] office media Relations finance

[3:25:27] planning an hr combined. This

[3:25:29] includes things such as travel

[3:25:30] conference, registration,

[3:25:30] utilities, wellness exams, and

[3:25:31] medical services in our

[3:25:35] charge. Next. Community risk

[3:25:36] reduction includes our deputy

[3:25:36] fire marshal public educator

[3:25:39] in plan to ease other than

[3:25:43] their salaries and benefits.

[3:25:44] Expenses include smoke,

[3:25:45] alarms, educational supplies

[3:25:46] and cost to host or

[3:25:48] participate in various public

[3:25:49] safety events. Additionally,

[3:25:50] the building inspection

[3:25:51] contracts are folic in this

[3:25:55] program. Our training academy

[3:25:56] includes salaries and benefits

[3:25:58] for our training staff as well

[3:25:59] as training supplies and

[3:26:00] equipment such as books,

[3:26:00] lumber, drywall. Ladders,

[3:26:04] hoses and sauce. Our

[3:26:05] technology program cover

[3:26:06] software for training

[3:26:08] inventory and run management

[3:26:10] licenses. Security monitoring

[3:26:11] cellular Wi-Fi services and

[3:26:12] computer supplies and

[3:26:14] equipment. And finally, our

[3:26:15] wellness program includes a

[3:26:17] functional movement, return to

[3:26:18] work in behavioral health

[3:26:20] contracts, as well as fitness

[3:26:20] equipment that is used at our

[3:26:21] health and wellness

[3:26:24] facilities. So that shows you

[3:26:25] less about the character and

[3:26:26] more about the program or

[3:26:28] function where our budget is

[3:26:29] allocated as well as some of

[3:26:30] the examples of the types of

[3:26:31] expenses of which are using

[3:26:34] our budget for to support

[3:26:36] these programs. And with I'm

[3:26:37] done with the budget pass of

[3:26:41] the time that CHAIRMAN. Before

[3:26:43] we get into the questions, if

[3:26:43] if you would allow me, I just

[3:26:46] want to tell you what we have

[3:26:47] in the appendix for you and

[3:26:48] then we can go right into the

[3:26:49] questions. Where are we

[3:26:52] prepared for you is a 2026

[3:26:56] versus 2027 comparison by

[3:26:58] character. Then we've provided

[3:27:02] that same comparison. 26 and

[3:27:07] 2027 2026 2027 by fund.

[3:27:09] Summarized the major budget

[3:27:10] changes for you so you can go

[3:27:13] to that one sheet and kind of

[3:27:14] look at what's driving any

[3:27:18] changes in the 2027 budget.

[3:27:19] And then as usual, we provided

[3:27:20] the most updated

[3:27:23] organizational chart for you.

[3:27:26] And then lastly, our staffing

[3:27:27] analysis. And if you recall,

[3:27:30] that's our 3 year projection

[3:27:32] on our attrition rate. We tell

[3:27:35] you, we need 65 recruits. And

[3:27:36] 2027, that's based on mask.

[3:27:39] It's not just a guess. It's

[3:27:41] what we our experience, our

[3:27:43] the drop program that lets us

[3:27:44] know what that attrition rate

[3:27:47] is likely to be. So we can

[3:27:48] staff accordingly so we can

[3:27:49] make the best effort to try

[3:27:53] control our overtime costs.

[3:27:56] With that MISTER CHAIRMAN, if

[3:27:58] you want to open up to

[3:28:00] questions to your committee,

[3:28:01] we're ready. Sure will. Thank

[3:28:02] you both for your

[3:28:03] presentation. The question to

[3:28:08] the committee. Got Maui. Thank

[3:28:09] Chair chief, thank you for

[3:28:13] being is right here. Can

[3:28:14] Stephen Dank and file are out

[3:28:15] there protecting right now,

[3:28:15] keeping us safe. I know been a

[3:28:16] late night. So want to be

[3:28:20] brief here. Really appreciate

[3:28:21] any do for our community. And

[3:28:25] I want let you know that your

[3:28:27] organization of your

[3:28:28] department is does not go

[3:28:29] unnoticed. I mean, the one

[3:28:29] thing we've talked with impd

[3:28:30] about I know you probably

[3:28:32] watch every meeting that we

[3:28:33] have. So maybe you're going to

[3:28:34] the restroom getting popcorn

[3:28:38] we talk about this. But we

[3:28:40] urged them to get in contact

[3:28:42] with you to figure out a

[3:28:45] facilities One thing just have

[3:28:46] really enjoyed about I I think

[3:28:47] speak for almost the whole

[3:28:48] committee hears that we can

[3:28:52] come to you and you know

[3:28:53] exactly what dates that are,

[3:28:54] what years things are going to

[3:28:56] be revamped and redone. We've

[3:28:58] we've worked with impd to get

[3:28:59] there. I think they're trying

[3:29:00] to get there. We just don't

[3:29:01] really have a plan yet. I

[3:29:03] don't kind of MISS That in the

[3:29:04] presentation. I was home and

[3:29:05] have a little more something

[3:29:06] involved and just other than

[3:29:09] just the North District. But

[3:29:10] bravo for your work you've

[3:29:11] been doing on that. You've

[3:29:13] done heck of a job leading

[3:29:16] this department and look for

[3:29:16] is for budget as it comes is

[3:29:21] budget season. Thank you, sir.

[3:29:21] Thank you, counselor, this is

[3:29:22] the folks behind me and others

[3:29:24] that aren't here. And can't

[3:29:26] say enough about the men and

[3:29:28] women are responding to runs

[3:29:29] while we're sitting here and

[3:29:32] are just amazing civilian

[3:29:32] staff. Thank you, Appreciate

[3:29:38] it. Carrie, thank you, MR.

[3:29:41] Chair. You know, I've been on

[3:29:43] Think about that coming 15 16

[3:29:44] years next year. You guys are

[3:29:47] in a really well oiled machine

[3:29:48] and he was at that 10 year

[3:29:50] plan. I guess my question is

[3:29:51] on recruits. How many

[3:29:53] applicants to get year? We

[3:30:00] range. We between 2,2500

[3:30:03] applicants and that's

[3:30:08] typically for 122, 140 jobs.

[3:30:11] We will hire 2 classes from an

[3:30:14] applicant list. So if we had

[3:30:15] 2000 applicants currently

[3:30:16] we're gonna if approved. We're

[3:30:21] gonna hire 65 in. And 2027.

[3:30:22] And then likely the wage

[3:30:26] trending another 50 to 60 in

[3:30:28] 2028 and will hire 2 classes

[3:30:30] from that one application

[3:30:35] process. And then by our mayor

[3:30:35] it all we have to at the 18

[3:30:38] month mark of that list, we

[3:30:41] have to start a new process

[3:30:42] because a-list expires at the

[3:30:42] 24 month Mark. So it's good

[3:30:43] for 2 years and we get to

[3:30:49] classes. On the average

[3:30:51] recruit. What you you take him

[3:30:52] on. What do they get paid

[3:30:54] while they in training? I

[3:30:56] guess. Is there a minimum

[3:31:00] salary? They're making the

[3:31:00] yes, its scale years fact

[3:31:01] answer this without looking

[3:31:04] over it off the first years,

[3:31:07] approximately 55,000. Then at

[3:31:09] the beginning of their second

[3:31:13] year. 63 63 in have. And then

[3:31:15] at the beginning of their 3rd

[3:31:17] year after they've completed 2

[3:31:19] years, there's a substantial

[3:31:20] raise to approximately 90,000.

[3:31:28] Ok, thank you. Thank you, MR.

[3:31:31] CHAIRMAN, thank you. Chief.

[3:31:32] Thank you, Don. I really

[3:31:33] appreciate your presentation

[3:31:36] every year getting and into

[3:31:37] the nuts and bolts of it. And

[3:31:38] I'm sorry that you didn't get

[3:31:40] the time to celebrate some of

[3:31:42] those things. And one of the

[3:31:45] comments that you made about

[3:31:46] putting the heart and some of

[3:31:49] the things that you all do.

[3:31:49] And in most of the things you

[3:31:50] do definitely ring true. And

[3:31:52] it was something that I think

[3:31:53] was missing in the earlier

[3:31:56] part of this evening. I

[3:31:58] especially want to highlight

[3:32:01] that Pulse point program that

[3:32:02] sped through. I think that's

[3:32:04] incredible. I think again,

[3:32:06] that's not firefighting. But

[3:32:07] that's life saving measures

[3:32:08] that often times the people

[3:32:09] behind you. That's what

[3:32:10] they're doing when they come

[3:32:12] out to these runs. And I am

[3:32:13] not only cpr certified, but

[3:32:14] I'm an instructor and I want

[3:32:16] to help beat those Seattle

[3:32:17] numbers. Anything I can do to

[3:32:18] support you. Chief, let me

[3:32:23] know. And I think there are no

[3:32:23] complaints from me. Only

[3:32:24] commenting complements include

[3:32:28] owes I think our community is

[3:32:30] saying, especially on the West

[3:32:32] side not to stay away, but in

[3:32:36] fact, township once to

[3:32:37] consolidate the fire

[3:32:39] department, can you update

[3:32:40] this committee on what any

[3:32:41] fire consolidation looks like

[3:32:42] in and around the county and

[3:32:42] particularly in Wayne

[3:32:47] Township. Be happy to thank

[3:32:49] you for your comments on Pulse

[3:32:50] Point. We did kind of a breeze

[3:32:51] through that. I hope you'll

[3:32:52] take the time to look at your

[3:32:52] packet. There's some other

[3:32:56] initiatives in there community

[3:32:57] connect and our plan to get to

[3:33:00] all 72 of our neighborhoods to

[3:33:02] identify their risk and help

[3:33:04] them develop individualized

[3:33:05] programs for that area for

[3:33:08] those areas. So please take a

[3:33:08] moment and read through that.

[3:33:09] I think you'll be excited

[3:33:15] about it like we are

[3:33:17] currently. There are no

[3:33:18] ongoing conversations, least

[3:33:19] that I'm part of. And I think

[3:33:21] I would be part of it as far

[3:33:26] as any township are excluded

[3:33:30] mergers or consolidations.

[3:33:32] Certainly we're open to it.

[3:33:32] But that starts at the

[3:33:33] political level with the with

[3:33:37] those folks if they say make

[3:33:39] it happen. If these ready, we

[3:33:41] have a plan called in the

[3:33:43] works. We updated every 5

[3:33:45] years. And the last update was

[3:33:51] in 2023. So we know what fully

[3:33:53] consolidated fire Department

[3:33:58] looks like believe it was last

[3:33:59] year. We a deep dive into all

[3:34:00] of the stations, equipment

[3:34:04] tools. You know, we're kind of

[3:34:05] acts. Do they use what kind

[3:34:08] cba do they wear? And we know

[3:34:10] that information from all the

[3:34:12] departments and then we shared

[3:34:14] it with all the departments.

[3:34:15] That's not something we want

[3:34:15] to keep a secret. So we all

[3:34:18] have a better handle on what

[3:34:20] the entire Marion County

[3:34:21] environment looks like. As far

[3:34:25] as capability of each agency,

[3:34:27] but we know what it looks

[3:34:29] like. We're certainly ready to

[3:34:30] exercise a merger if it's

[3:34:34] brought to us, we're not

[3:34:36] actively seeking them, but it

[3:34:36] presented to us. We will. We

[3:34:38] certainly know how to work it

[3:34:40] through the plan get it done.

[3:34:42] Thank you, chief and I I know

[3:34:46] that. The work is not easy.

[3:34:49] The equipment is heavy. And as

[3:34:50] it turns out, MR. CHAIRMAN

[3:34:53] fires hot so thank you for all

[3:34:54] the things that you and your

[3:34:56] men and women do each and

[3:34:57] every for the strides that you

[3:34:58] have been made under your

[3:35:02] tenure. I adore you. I adore

[3:35:03] your team and just really

[3:35:03] appreciate serving alongside

[3:35:05] all of you. Thank you. Thank

[3:35:07] you, ma'am. We appreciate you.

[3:35:07] Thank you. Council Council

[3:35:10] heart. Thank you, MR.

[3:35:12] CHAIRMAN, thank you. Chief. I

[3:35:16] think his nation and so what I

[3:35:20] want to point out is how

[3:35:21] really what everybody saying,

[3:35:23] how well done the presentation

[3:35:27] isn't. Reminds me of what my

[3:35:28] other my day job is not the

[3:35:29] other examples given earlier

[3:35:30] about hiring people. But, you

[3:35:31] know, I do want to consult and

[3:35:35] work around it. And I had a

[3:35:36] customer approaching one time

[3:35:36] about doing standard operating

[3:35:37] procedures. And I said, what

[3:35:39] are you doing? And I said,

[3:35:40] well, we just asked all

[3:35:41] directors to do the standard

[3:35:42] operating procedures. And I

[3:35:43] said we're going to come back

[3:35:45] with 11, 12, 13 different.

[3:35:47] Different operating

[3:35:48] procedures. And that was what

[3:35:49] was going through my mind when

[3:35:50] I was looking at this. This is

[3:35:53] the best one I've seen and I

[3:35:55] have the fortunate ability to

[3:35:57] sit on a lot of committees.

[3:35:58] And this is the best

[3:36:01] presentation I've seen. Really

[3:36:03] and I'm in my 7th year on the

[3:36:06] council. And so it got me

[3:36:08] thinking you know, one of the

[3:36:08] areas that I also the ability

[3:36:09] to sit on, which is the audit

[3:36:10] committee. And sure that with

[3:36:14] her acting CHAIRMAN. It one of

[3:36:15] the things that I will be

[3:36:16] suggesting in that next

[3:36:17] meeting is for them to

[3:36:22] contemplate. Ap. That is doing

[3:36:24] a standardized Templet earlies

[3:36:25] researching what a

[3:36:26] standardized temple looks like

[3:36:31] for the budget season because

[3:36:32] it's it's a Don't use the word

[3:36:33] for us, but it doesn't seem

[3:36:35] very prune a pragmatic that we

[3:36:37] have all these agencies and we

[3:36:38] don't have a standardized

[3:36:39] templet of what the best

[3:36:42] practice looks like. And I

[3:36:43] call things and some of are

[3:36:44] the conversations we talk Phs,

[3:36:47] right? I'm saying, hey, I have

[3:36:48] 10 years of one way, but we've

[3:36:51] been paying dpw contracts 100

[3:36:53] plus years. Right? This is a

[3:36:53] very similar thing like this

[3:36:55] is good. This is the gold

[3:36:56] standard. And this is what we

[3:36:59] should expect every single

[3:36:59] presentaran every single

[3:37:03] committee that we have. So

[3:37:03] that's putting more work in

[3:37:04] your department. But I do

[3:37:07] think that would be worthwhile

[3:37:08] for our entire city

[3:37:13] infrastructure to see. But

[3:37:14] beyond that, sorry to cut the

[3:37:15] cameras started. Get the

[3:37:17] glory. But you guys are doing

[3:37:20] phenomenal work into a lot of

[3:37:21] good examples. But one thing

[3:37:22] that is very important to me,

[3:37:23] I want to bring up to the

[3:37:27] committee. Actually had it, I

[3:37:28] was fortunate to have the I b

[3:37:31] j published this last Friday,

[3:37:35] but I publish an article on

[3:37:35] fire consolidation and the

[3:37:36] title of it was we raised one

[3:37:38] tax. Let's take an opportunity

[3:37:42] to lower another and what that

[3:37:44] means is in those townships on

[3:37:46] the Westside Pike, Wayne and

[3:37:48] Decatur, they're paying an

[3:37:50] additional We can alleviate

[3:37:50] that levy for those people in

[3:37:52] the west side of town, it's

[3:37:53] going to take action at the

[3:37:57] state House. And I'm already

[3:37:58] starting those conversations

[3:38:00] with state representatives.

[3:38:00] Now, what I think that takes

[3:38:02] is essentially getting the the

[3:38:03] trustees and the advisory

[3:38:05] board members out of the way.

[3:38:07] And I think that comes down to

[3:38:09] the state making that law. And

[3:38:09] that's what I'm going to be

[3:38:11] chasing in the session. But I

[3:38:12] want everybody to be aware

[3:38:14] that I would love to see a

[3:38:16] copy of in the works because I

[3:38:18] will be out waving, met thing

[3:38:18] around put in every

[3:38:22] legislators face a confined

[3:38:22] because we've got to find

[3:38:23] savings. We've got to find

[3:38:25] efficiencies. More

[3:38:31] importantly, you know, I've

[3:38:31] proposals for new fire

[3:38:32] stations. And the last thing I

[3:38:33] want to see is a fire station,

[3:38:34] one mile away from another

[3:38:36] fires to station from

[3:38:39] different fire townships that

[3:38:41] speaking of speedway and I

[3:38:41] have to right or maybe it was

[3:38:44] pike and But either way, there

[3:38:45] was 2 very close. That to me

[3:38:45] would have been a waste of

[3:38:47] money and a waste of effective

[3:38:50] measures. And so that's on my

[3:38:54] list going into really now in

[3:38:54] 2 of his Asian Day, all the

[3:38:56] way through session next year.

[3:38:58] So happy to take any

[3:38:59] supporters with me that want

[3:38:59] to join in that effort. I

[3:39:02] think that is one way that we

[3:39:03] can move Indianapolis for,

[3:39:04] especially an opportunity now

[3:39:06] to talk about property taxes

[3:39:08] so much in this state. And I

[3:39:11] think we can drive some of

[3:39:11] that change and find some

[3:39:13] savings for people but give a

[3:39:14] better result of the of the

[3:39:14] day. And that's something

[3:39:15] that's really hard to asked to

[3:39:19] do. And I think we can do with

[3:39:19] Thank you. Council are

[3:39:21] appreciative comments are

[3:39:22] thank you. Counselor Council

[3:39:26] Perkins. Thank you, MR. Chair,

[3:39:28] let me just follow my my

[3:39:29] colleague's comment so that

[3:39:31] we're clear Pike has 0

[3:39:33] interest in consolidated in a

[3:39:34] fire department. So that just

[3:39:37] be clear with that. We very

[3:39:38] proud of the work that our

[3:39:40] Pike Township Fire Department

[3:39:44] is still in. That does not

[3:39:45] negate the work that you're

[3:39:47] doing. Chief and so I want to

[3:39:48] say that to my colleague to

[3:39:53] the chief thank you for always

[3:39:58] center in new leadership. And

[3:39:58] your workers that work

[3:40:00] alongside you to make this

[3:40:01] happen. You're one of the only

[3:40:05] does that come here and every

[3:40:07] chance you get you deflect

[3:40:08] from self and you sent to the

[3:40:09] folks that are doing the work.

[3:40:13] So thank you. I will also you

[3:40:14] can do a tremendous job in

[3:40:14] teaching a master class of

[3:40:16] some of the executives and

[3:40:18] directors across the

[3:40:21] enterprise. What it means to

[3:40:23] represent your department.

[3:40:23] Well, by presented the

[3:40:24] necessary information that we

[3:40:25] need to understand the work

[3:40:27] that you're doing, but also

[3:40:29] the way they interact with

[3:40:31] this council making sure that

[3:40:33] the needs of your department

[3:40:34] is reflected to us. And so

[3:40:35] thank you. And I hope the

[3:40:36] administration is watching all

[3:40:38] the cameras are not on. Well,

[3:40:39] at least the regular cameras

[3:40:40] on. And we have one reporter

[3:40:43] here, but hopefully the

[3:40:44] administration is is is

[3:40:46] watching that I think that the

[3:40:48] department, the enterprise can

[3:40:50] learn from for your expertise

[3:40:52] in the way that you you can

[3:40:53] present the of the men and

[3:40:56] women that work with you. My

[3:40:57] only question I have is around

[3:41:00] fleet management or roughly

[3:41:02] about 70 million dollars set

[3:41:04] aside for fleet management in

[3:41:06] 2027 budget. Talk to us a

[3:41:07] little bit about the current

[3:41:12] state of the fleet. Is

[3:41:12] adequate enough to meant make

[3:41:18] sure that you are maintain in

[3:41:19] good equipment, makes to quit

[3:41:20] meant as you're doing the work

[3:41:24] across the city. Thank you.

[3:41:26] Yes, sir, again thank you for

[3:41:28] your comments. But as you

[3:41:28] said, I'll defer to the people

[3:41:30] I get to work with every day.

[3:41:31] You know, we can. We can talk

[3:41:33] about programs and initiatives

[3:41:33] that they're the folks truly

[3:41:36] make it happen. I think the

[3:41:41] state of our is strong. This

[3:41:43] council and administration

[3:41:45] supported a ten-year apparatus

[3:41:48] replacement plan. We completed

[3:41:50] an 8 and a half where we

[3:41:51] replace all of our frontline

[3:41:54] engines. Ladders. Rescue squad

[3:41:56] battalion bogeys, all of our

[3:41:57] response vehicles. We've

[3:42:00] initiated a second ten-year

[3:42:00] apparatus plan, which we're

[3:42:03] working through now, we don't

[3:42:06] have to buy their quantity

[3:42:08] that we needed to in the First

[3:42:08] 10 year plan because we were

[3:42:11] so far behind now. Now we're

[3:42:13] buying a few pieces of the

[3:42:16] year. So we are able if we

[3:42:18] stay on that trajectory, we

[3:42:21] can stay on track and never

[3:42:23] find ourselves in the hole

[3:42:25] with the need to replace

[3:42:26] apparatus as many

[3:42:28] municipalities across the

[3:42:30] country are. We're I think

[3:42:32] we're in in very good shape

[3:42:32] with the plan that we're

[3:42:33] following and the support

[3:42:37] we're receiving. Council

[3:42:43] Delaney. Thank you, MR. Chair.

[3:42:44] You know, it's been a long

[3:42:45] night and just wanted to take

[3:42:47] this time to thank you. And

[3:42:48] your command staff are coming

[3:42:49] out tonight and sitting

[3:42:50] through the long meeting to

[3:42:52] wait for your turn. Really

[3:42:54] appreciate that. And also just

[3:42:56] wanted to commend you for

[3:42:57] doing a good job and getting

[3:42:58] out there in the community. I

[3:42:58] feel like I've had the

[3:42:59] opportunity to speak with you

[3:43:00] throughout the year. So it's

[3:43:04] not just someone time exchange

[3:43:06] here. Most recently at opening

[3:43:06] of the new station, 32 on

[3:43:10] College Avenue. It's it's a

[3:43:12] beautiful building was really

[3:43:16] great to get to see how your

[3:43:17] firefighters live and work

[3:43:18] together and that station and

[3:43:19] how you're planning on

[3:43:19] building the new ones. And so

[3:43:21] I just wanted to highlight

[3:43:22] that. Thank you for the work

[3:43:26] you Thank you, ma'am. We

[3:43:28] appreciate you being there.

[3:43:28] That was a that was long day.

[3:43:32] Long time coming. We just put

[3:43:35] a new 3,000 gallon tanker in

[3:43:35] that station to help protect

[3:43:37] the northeast side. For those

[3:43:41] what we call properly hydrated

[3:43:41] areas, just meaning they don't

[3:43:44] have a hybrid on every 500

[3:43:46] feet on the property line. So

[3:43:48] that new vehicle is in service

[3:43:49] at that station and serving

[3:43:54] your community up there. Now.

[3:43:58] Kathleen Grace, thank you,

[3:43:58] chief, thank you so much for

[3:44:00] to work. I'm not going to

[3:44:01] belabor the point of my

[3:44:02] colleagues that you guys are

[3:44:02] doing a great job and you do

[3:44:07] that great job every year. My

[3:44:09] question is what can I take

[3:44:10] back to the wonderful,

[3:44:12] wonderful people on the east

[3:44:13] side down East 38th Street

[3:44:15] where we've seen tremendous

[3:44:17] amount of growth

[3:44:21] revitalization. We've got now

[3:44:23] whole hospital which provides

[3:44:24] so much in our community.

[3:44:25] We've got grocers. We've got a

[3:44:26] major employer would cook

[3:44:28] medical. We've got a new bank

[3:44:28] that's opening on on next

[3:44:32] week. But we still have a

[3:44:34] small, small building, a

[3:44:35] station. 24, which can't fit

[3:44:40] those larger apparatus I've

[3:44:41] got meetings with Audubon

[3:44:42] Guard zakai meetings with

[3:44:43] Shane, shared and Heights

[3:44:44] neighborhood Association next

[3:44:45] month over the next few weeks.

[3:44:47] What can I tell them about

[3:44:49] U.S. Being on the list to get

[3:44:54] a new, a facility. That's a

[3:44:54] fair question. And I

[3:44:56] appreciate the question. You

[3:44:57] and I have had other

[3:44:57] conversations about it. We've

[3:45:00] talked about the 10 year

[3:45:02] apparatus plan. We have a 20

[3:45:02] year station replacement plan

[3:45:07] where we identify the 10

[3:45:08] stations most in need. That's

[3:45:11] not determined by who the fire

[3:45:11] chief likes or doesn't like.

[3:45:14] We have an exhaustive

[3:45:16] evaluation tool that we use to

[3:45:19] rank those. I'll tell you

[3:45:21] station 24 is right at the top

[3:45:22] of the list. I actually

[3:45:23] brought the plan with me

[3:45:25] tonight and you'll see it's

[3:45:26] right at the top. But what we

[3:45:29] have to do is we look at those

[3:45:32] 10 stations that are on the

[3:45:34] list and when we get the

[3:45:35] funding to build a new

[3:45:38] station, then the decision is

[3:45:41] made which one of the 10 are

[3:45:42] most in need because it's not

[3:45:46] a static thing. Sometimes

[3:45:46] something develops. Mold are

[3:45:48] the foundation is crumbling.

[3:45:50] Are its where one MAY have

[3:45:53] been ahead of it a year and a

[3:45:55] half ago. Some things happened

[3:45:56] that now this other station is

[3:45:59] more in need, but it's always

[3:46:00] that group of the I guess we

[3:46:02] could say the top 10 or the

[3:46:04] bottom 10, most in need.

[3:46:07] Firefighters see the list. You

[3:46:10] MAY think you should be number

[3:46:10] one. But if you're number 7,

[3:46:12] at least you know where you

[3:46:13] are. So I think you you would

[3:46:15] tell them they're definitely

[3:46:20] part of the conversation any

[3:46:20] help you could give us in

[3:46:23] identifying additional funding

[3:46:26] to build the station. It will

[3:46:28] certainly help bring to a

[3:46:29] reality sooner. Thank you. I

[3:46:32] know it's not about what would

[3:46:33] you prefer because that's your

[3:46:35] old neighborhood. You grew up

[3:46:35] as a kid. So I think that

[3:46:37] would be at the top of the

[3:46:39] list. My only complaint chief,

[3:46:41] I think in my budget time

[3:46:42] budget season phone call and I

[3:46:43] usually look forward to us

[3:46:46] having a chat. So I look

[3:46:49] forward to us getting

[3:46:50] opportunity to talk a little

[3:46:50] bit of on a personal level as

[3:46:51] we move later in the year.

[3:46:57] Thank you. We'll tell I MISS

[3:46:57] That with budget and 9.11

[3:46:59] happening this week. We just

[3:47:00] cut kind of swap, but I

[3:47:01] usually try to give all you

[3:47:03] folks to call it. We'll get

[3:47:04] back on track next year with

[3:47:07] it for Okay. Thank you guys.

[3:47:12] Council Brown. Thank you, MR.

[3:47:15] Chair get well-deserved. All

[3:47:15] the kudos that you've heard

[3:47:17] from all my fears of a side

[3:47:19] aisle. I would echo all of I

[3:47:21] would agree with counselor

[3:47:21] heart that this was I think

[3:47:22] the best presentation of

[3:47:24] seeing for a budget. And I

[3:47:24] think one thing that really

[3:47:28] sets it apart is the way it's

[3:47:30] oriented towards the

[3:47:31] constituents of taxpayers.

[3:47:32] Right? So how much are they

[3:47:33] spending? What do they get for

[3:47:34] that money? What can they

[3:47:36] expect from you this year and

[3:47:38] always and that's not just the

[3:47:39] budget presentation that comes

[3:47:40] through all the interactions

[3:47:41] with you and your command

[3:47:42] staff. And of course, the

[3:47:45] heroes local 4.16 And so want

[3:47:48] to get out of the way for the

[3:47:49] exit. Kudos. The only 2

[3:47:50] concerns I had and it's been a

[3:47:50] long as I could just be. I was

[3:47:54] mistreated the budget and I

[3:47:56] read correctly that it

[3:47:57] actually cost us a substantial

[3:47:58] out of money to participate in

[3:48:04] Task Force one. Sorry. So task

[3:48:07] Force one is 100% funded by

[3:48:08] fema. So it doesn't cost the

[3:48:10] city any money. As far as the

[3:48:11] revenues from property taxes

[3:48:13] or income taxes. It does hit

[3:48:14] our budget. However, it's

[3:48:16] reimburse federally federal

[3:48:17] federal cash dollars. So

[3:48:20] there's no cost on us. If

[3:48:21] makes sense, got it. I was

[3:48:22] looking at 2 different sheets

[3:48:23] fail to make that connect

[3:48:25] thank you for I'm sorry. I'll

[3:48:26] point out. So whenever we talk

[3:48:28] to when we talk, when we look

[3:48:30] at task Force one will it's

[3:48:33] always associated with the

[3:48:35] Federal Grant Fund, which is

[3:48:37] 2, 5, 5, 3, 9, our other

[3:48:38] operating expenses, which are

[3:48:40] day-to-day operations at

[3:48:40] Safire General Fund. So it's

[3:48:41] it's within it. But it's a

[3:48:41] simple fund which is

[3:48:43] reimbursed by fema. Perfect

[3:48:43] had to be in state because

[3:48:46] that would make any sense. The

[3:48:49] only other concern I have is

[3:48:49] really it was just or

[3:48:50] department I wouldn't have any

[3:48:54] concerns at all. But I think

[3:48:56] in general, the enterprise is

[3:48:57] very, very over reliant on

[3:48:58] character, 3 contractors, et

[3:49:00] cetera. And so, you know, I've

[3:49:03] had really good time

[3:49:05] conversations and interactions

[3:49:07] with Chief beard and everybody

[3:49:09] under him. And as a fire

[3:49:11] marshal. And it does make me a

[3:49:12] little bit concerned.

[3:49:14] Obviously, we want more

[3:49:15] buildings inspected, but I

[3:49:16] would of course, love to have

[3:49:18] those people now says about

[3:49:19] contractors. And so as a

[3:49:22] stopgap in order to make sure

[3:49:22] we're make building safe,

[3:49:25] fully support this. But to the

[3:49:26] extent possible, would love.

[3:49:29] You know, I would love to be

[3:49:31] unionized. Public-sector

[3:49:31] workers as opposed to just

[3:49:32] contractors that have less

[3:49:35] control over. So just note for

[3:49:36] the future, not expecting a

[3:49:37] separate things and fix that

[3:49:38] because I'm sure it has to do

[3:49:39] with staffing availability.

[3:49:41] But that's just my preference.

[3:49:43] Moving forward. Otherwise I

[3:49:44] have like nothing I can

[3:49:45] critique before. Thank you

[3:49:48] again. Appreciate your

[3:49:49] comments that that's just

[3:49:50] finances. The cost of an fte

[3:49:53] in salary and benefits. First

[3:49:54] is what we can hire a

[3:49:56] contracting firm to do too.

[3:49:58] Try to get to that same

[3:50:00] result. And that's more of

[3:50:02] those 35,000 parcels actually

[3:50:02] inspected. So it's safe for

[3:50:05] our citizenry, but your point

[3:50:06] well taken. Understood. Thank

[3:50:10] you, sir. That's the wells.

[3:50:11] Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN for

[3:50:15] second comment in question.

[3:50:17] Chief and MISS Sikes Randall.

[3:50:20] Were there any unfunded

[3:50:21] request in the 2027 budget

[3:50:21] from the Office of Finance and

[3:50:24] Management? And if so, what

[3:50:29] were those if you have them?

[3:50:30] So there were a few requests

[3:50:32] because we understand the tax

[3:50:33] You know, we just didn't ask

[3:50:35] for all of the things. But we

[3:50:36] did have a few budget request

[3:50:42] which included. Capital. So we

[3:50:43] asked for money to

[3:50:44] administration vehicle

[3:50:47] replacement plan. I won't get

[3:50:47] into the specifics of the age

[3:50:51] of our vehicles. However, the

[3:50:53] the request included

[3:50:55] purchasing x amount of

[3:50:55] vehicles annually so that we

[3:50:57] can phase out the older

[3:50:59] vehicles. So that was one

[3:51:00] request for admin vehicle

[3:51:01] replacement plan to release or

[3:51:02] own those currently because

[3:51:03] that was what I was thinking

[3:51:04] when you went through the

[3:51:05] vehicle and apparatus plan, I

[3:51:07] noticed you didn't say admin

[3:51:08] vehicles and some of those are

[3:51:10] pretty old that I see going

[3:51:13] around the city. Yet. 2

[3:51:15] separate things are apparatus

[3:51:18] replacement plan was was for

[3:51:19] our heavy-duty. Respond to did

[3:51:21] not include administrative

[3:51:23] vehicles. I would love if you

[3:51:23] had an average age, you can

[3:51:27] send that on a separate

[3:51:28] communication, education and

[3:51:29] future budget review and

[3:51:31] analysis. MADAM Cfo, and I'm

[3:51:32] sorry to interrupt. You know

[3:51:37] your your time hours. We also

[3:51:38] asked for money to support

[3:51:42] station repairs so annually we

[3:51:44] received annually, receive

[3:51:46] money take care of our fire

[3:51:47] stations. There's 45 fire

[3:51:49] stations. You know what cost

[3:51:50] to take care of your house. So

[3:51:51] we do have annual budget, too.

[3:51:53] Take care of our fire

[3:51:57] stations. However, roofs

[3:51:57] approaches which the country

[3:51:58] approaches with the fire

[3:52:00] apparatus drive on. It's a lot

[3:52:05] of wear and tear those

[3:52:05] annually. Those can cost

[3:52:06] upwards of a couple $100,000

[3:52:11] to replace and so we want with

[3:52:11] their requests, asked for

[3:52:13] money to dedicate to certain.

[3:52:16] So those types of repair so

[3:52:17] that we can do certain amount

[3:52:19] of approaches per year we can

[3:52:20] to a certain amount of risk

[3:52:22] per year because our annual

[3:52:24] budget, it deals with the

[3:52:25] day-to-day operations. Right.

[3:52:26] And so sometimes we can't

[3:52:29] swing a $300,000 repair for 4

[3:52:31] approaches. So we asked for

[3:52:32] dedicated station repair

[3:52:33] funding to cover some of those

[3:52:34] heavy duty expenses that we

[3:52:34] know we need to maintain

[3:52:40] annually. We also asked for

[3:52:41] additional sets of fired year.

[3:52:42] So our quartermaster budget

[3:52:46] annually purchases 250 cents

[3:52:47] of gear for our incumbents out

[3:52:48] on the street as well as 2

[3:52:51] sets a fire year for our

[3:52:53] recruits. So about 390 total

[3:52:54] sets of gear were purchasing

[3:52:57] annually. We asked 4

[3:52:59] additional sets a fire gear

[3:52:59] fill the gap for a new

[3:53:04] replacement. And then finally

[3:53:06] ask for some character, one

[3:53:08] items for 3 additional admin

[3:53:11] personnel to support our

[3:53:12] pension office to support our

[3:53:15] training division. And also to

[3:53:16] support our Special Operations

[3:53:17] division for a drone operator.

[3:53:18] That's a big thing. Now. It

[3:53:21] was it was really used during

[3:53:23] the floods. And we're finding

[3:53:24] that across the public safety.

[3:53:28] It's a standard that people

[3:53:30] are moving toward. So we asked

[3:53:31] for an empty for. They are so

[3:53:31] 3 admin positions we ask for.

[3:53:34] And then finally we asked to

[3:53:38] adjust our work factor. So I

[3:53:39] do use is a work factor to

[3:53:40] estimate how much over time

[3:53:41] we're going to spend annually.

[3:53:44] The work factor includes a

[3:53:45] number of firefighters. We

[3:53:46] have off daily percent because

[3:53:46] that's how we predict when

[3:53:48] we're going to have to call in

[3:53:51] overtime. We're finding that

[3:53:53] we're having more people offer

[3:53:54] details and more for sick. So

[3:53:55] we wanted just that work

[3:53:56] factor to line up with

[3:53:56] actually how many firefighters

[3:54:00] are off today. So that was our

[3:54:03] second admin to summarize.

[3:54:03] There were 3 operational

[3:54:04] requests and then to care to

[3:54:07] one requests. My goodness.

[3:54:09] Thank you for that. I

[3:54:11] appreciate you coming

[3:54:12] prepared. I'm really concerned

[3:54:14] about not just the equipment

[3:54:17] for personnel, but also those

[3:54:18] approaches and those roofs and

[3:54:20] that dedicated station repair

[3:54:21] fund. I know it's tight right

[3:54:25] now and know. Money

[3:54:26] administrator cars MAY seem

[3:54:28] like a drop in the bucket, but

[3:54:29] if we can do it for impd, I

[3:54:32] don't understand why we can't

[3:54:33] for our fire department. I

[3:54:35] think the drone comment and

[3:54:36] even just the advent of

[3:54:37] technology, MR. CHAIRMAN, my

[3:54:40] final comment is truly commend

[3:54:40] not just the chief but the

[3:54:43] staff and specifically, you

[3:54:44] know, redone. The comms team

[3:54:47] really do give a true line of

[3:54:49] sight and into what is

[3:54:50] happening. The transparency

[3:54:52] with it if is there because

[3:54:53] you're constantly telling the

[3:54:53] story. You're telling the

[3:54:56] story with video photographs,

[3:54:57] words and sometimes codes that

[3:55:00] I don't even understand. But

[3:55:01] the photos tell the story of

[3:55:02] the heroes doing the work out

[3:55:05] there each and every day. And

[3:55:07] so thank you for allowing me

[3:55:10] time to check in on some of

[3:55:10] those unfunded requests. And

[3:55:11] thank you for all that you do.

[3:55:13] You have my time, MR.

[3:55:14] CHAIRMAN, thank you. Just a

[3:55:20] Maui. Thank you, MR. Chair.

[3:55:21] I've said this to staff and I

[3:55:21] just want to say to the

[3:55:22] committee and I wish the chair

[3:55:23] was so here to hear this as

[3:55:28] well. I understand that you've

[3:55:29] gone every year since I've

[3:55:30] been on the council was

[3:55:32] something coming 10 years now

[3:55:33] with eye with impd. And I

[3:55:38] think that's great however,

[3:55:39] the e there's just so many

[3:55:40] great things in this. But in

[3:55:41] this budget presentation that

[3:55:42] we had to just kind of gloss

[3:55:44] over spare time because we

[3:55:47] spent so much time p d. I

[3:55:49] would love to see you guys.

[3:55:53] Kind of you know, will get the

[3:55:53] ice cream and the U.S. Had

[3:55:55] about it for a little while.

[3:55:55] But I would love to see you

[3:55:56] guys have your own time here

[3:56:00] in front of us because council

[3:56:01] well questions about what was

[3:56:02] not, you know, approved in

[3:56:04] this budget. I'd love to get

[3:56:06] that little bit more maybe

[3:56:07] during analysis. We can't we

[3:56:10] can't do that. But for the

[3:56:11] sake of the other counselors

[3:56:12] here, I won't ask any more

[3:56:15] questions on that. But I would

[3:56:18] love if we could get you guys

[3:56:18] separated and have impd one

[3:56:20] night. I have to be another

[3:56:22] night that way. Both get your

[3:56:25] time to shine. I know I've

[3:56:25] known you long enough to know.

[3:56:26] I think you prefer not to have

[3:56:28] the cameras, but you deserve

[3:56:30] them. And to us about the work

[3:56:33] show. So I would love to have

[3:56:34] this split. Think about that

[3:56:37] next year. Thank you,

[3:56:40] counselor. Couple No other

[3:56:41] questions. I have a couple

[3:56:44] final comments myself. What I

[3:56:48] want to commend you again,

[3:56:49] Chief lawn, accreditation

[3:56:51] renewal. I do think that's a

[3:56:52] spooktacular statistic. You

[3:56:54] guys deserve to be very proud

[3:56:56] of that. Along with the Pulse

[3:56:58] point program. I think that's

[3:56:59] a great initiative. And I

[3:57:02] think that will be very a

[3:57:04] great stride forward and true

[3:57:06] public safety as well as the I

[3:57:07] class one rating. I think

[3:57:08] that's something else. Very

[3:57:12] special I'm sure you

[3:57:15] anticipated my annual question

[3:57:16] Houser ladder truck to the

[3:57:17] North side, which station is

[3:57:22] then. Always put me on the

[3:57:23] spot to make the other

[3:57:25] councilors. Joe, as you are

[3:57:28] your trending very well

[3:57:32] station 9. They're on 6286

[3:57:35] Street has a both a new engine

[3:57:38] and ladder stations. 6 North

[3:57:42] Central High School has and

[3:57:51] ladder there what bad? 9 sixes

[3:57:53] station for 80th in ditch has

[3:57:54] a new ladder and a new engine

[3:57:57] coming in DECEMBER. Well, not

[3:57:58] directly in your area. We

[3:58:00] talked about station 32 that

[3:58:01] something really going on with

[3:58:04] head that way, the station

[3:58:06] that we do will staff with the

[3:58:07] city of Lawrence. There are no

[3:58:10] planned in station. 36 has a

[3:58:14] brand new aerial You're doing

[3:58:17] very, very well and your

[3:58:19] really are letter protected

[3:58:20] for sure. Not that I'm wishing

[3:58:23] for a high rise fire, but now

[3:58:24] in the unlikely I can rest

[3:58:28] assured that you'll be there.

[3:58:30] Final question. Got piggy

[3:58:31] backing off well. I think what

[3:58:33] Kessler Heart was was a

[3:58:38] inferring and that is. We're

[3:58:40] going to be seeing a pretty

[3:58:40] tight budget the next couple

[3:58:41] years, particularly with the

[3:58:44] trend from the state house

[3:58:48] squeezing property taxes and

[3:58:49] their battle cry of possibly

[3:58:53] being eliminating property

[3:58:54] taxes. You guys making some

[3:58:57] worst-case scenario planning?

[3:58:59] Have been a couple years when

[3:59:00] we have to revamp income tax

[3:59:04] structure as well. Really.

[3:59:08] Planning for possible

[3:59:08] catastrophic scenarios in the

[3:59:12] future financially speaking?

[3:59:12] Well, you it's a great

[3:59:15] question. We have tasked our

[3:59:16] planning Division. Chief

[3:59:16] Wilson is here. They do an

[3:59:18] excellent job for us. The

[3:59:22] Astros to forecast if if we

[3:59:23] needed to make cuts, if we had

[3:59:26] to tighten our bill. Where

[3:59:29] would we do that? Why would we

[3:59:31] pic that station or that

[3:59:35] apparatus what cut could we

[3:59:38] make without damaging our

[3:59:39] service delivery are unduly

[3:59:42] increasing response times. So.

[3:59:43] We don't want to exercise

[3:59:47] that. But to your question,

[3:59:48] we're ready if if this happens

[3:59:49] and we need to go to this

[3:59:51] level, we know what we want to

[3:59:54] do. If it's a deeper level, we

[3:59:56] know what that next level of

[3:59:58] action we need to take is we

[4:00:00] we went through that exercise.

[4:00:02] I believe last and we have a

[4:00:03] plan that we we hope we don't

[4:00:05] have to use, but we're ready

[4:00:11] with To take on a on a scale.

[4:00:13] Your level, what we would do

[4:00:14] first, what we would do. In

[4:00:15] case we we were faced with

[4:00:20] that. Situation. Great. The

[4:00:21] perfect answer I expected from

[4:00:23] you. Chief, thank you much.

[4:00:26] Any final comments. Hearing?

[4:00:27] None. We are adjourned. Thank

[4:00:42] you, ladies and gentlemen.