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Let it be warned, the legal voters of
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the town of Jamaica in the county of
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Windham in the state of Vermont are
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hereby notified and warned to meet at
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10:00 a.m. at the town hall in said town
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of Jamaica on the first Tuesday of
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March, March 3rd, 2026 to transact the
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following business and act upon the
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following articles. Before we get
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started, we have Laura Sabilar, our
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state rep here. So, she's going to talk
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a little bit about and update us on on
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the executive. Laura,
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» good morning everyone.
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It's great to see you all. I love town
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meeting. Um, even when we don't agree,
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it's great to have us all gathered
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together practicing democracy and
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governing our communities and state. I
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have this morning a resolution that I'd
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like to read.
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Uh, House Concurrent Resolution honoring
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the decades of extraordinary civic
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participation and leadership of Lexa and
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Steve in the town of Jamaica.
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Whereas the breadth of Lexa Clark's
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public service is diverse, but it has
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strongly focused on the provision of
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emergency services as she initially
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enrolled in EMT courses during the
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1970s, was instrumental in organizing
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the Jamaica Rescue Squad, and still
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dutifully responds to every rescue call.
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And whereas from 1979 to 1980, she
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closely monitored Jamaica's finances as
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the town's auditor and bookkeeper. And
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whereas for a dozen years, Lexa Clark
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served on the Jamaica Select Board 2006
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to 2018 and admirably met the unique
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challenge of chairing the panel when
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tropical storm Irene devastated the town
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to an unprecedented extent. and recently
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she has assumed a governance role at the
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Jamaica Memorial Library. And whereas
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Steve Clark's roles at the Jamaica
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Village Cemetery began as a youth and
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have included serving as both secretary
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and treasurer. And whereas among his
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municipal panel memberships were the
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village school board from 1982 to 1985
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and the planning commission from 1979 to
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1988.
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And whereas for over half a century,
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Steve Clark was associated with the
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town's fire and rescue services,
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including as treasurer and auditor, and
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was proud of his designation as an
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honorary member of the fire department.
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And whereas for 52 years, Steve Clark
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served as Jamaica's trustee of public
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funds, for three decades as the town's
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grand juror, and since 2005 as the
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Jamaica Historical Foundation President,
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and professionally for nearly a quarter
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century, Steve Clark was a Vermont
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National Bank Vice President. And
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whereas Alexa and Steve Clark exemplify
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outstanding municipal citizenship.
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Now therefore, be it resolved by the
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Senate and House of Representatives that
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the General Assembly honors the decades
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of extraordinary civic participation and
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leadership of Lexa and Steve Clark in
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the town of Jamaica. And be it further
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resolved that the STE Secretary of State
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be directed to send a copy of this
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resolution to Lexa and Steve Clark.
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Steve, would you come up? Would you come
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up, please?
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» Thank you so much.
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I think we have another.
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» Good morning everyone. My name is Chuck
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Bosworth. Uh I own Forin Street Care
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here in town and I'm a captain on the
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fire department. I'm here to read a
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speech on our uh fire chief's uh behalf,
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Mr. Scott Gordon. Um so I'll get into
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that.
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As Chief of Jamaica Volunteer Fire and
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Rescue, I would like to take a moment to
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rest recognize Steven Lexa Clark for
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their lifetime of service to this
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community. Their dedication to serving
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the residents of Jamaica and surrounding
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towns as well has been unmatched in my
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opinion. When my family and I moved back
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to Jamaica 7 years ago, I was asked if I
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would like to join the department. Lexa
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Clark was one of the first members I
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met. She welcomed me right away. Steve
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and Lexa became fast friends of my
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family and have become surrogate
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grandparents to our daughters. They're
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like family to us. It didn't take long
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to realize that almost all of the
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Jamaica community is like family to
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Steve and Alexa. There has not been an
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emergency call I've been on where Alexa
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didn't know the patient or their family.
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I have seen the look of relief and
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comfort on patients faces when they see
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Lexa walking in with a lime jacket and
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orange medical bag. They know it's not
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just a stranger, it's a friend.
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Steve Clark served for many years on the
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department and though I haven't had the
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pleasure to serve alongside him, having
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heard some of the tales of those times,
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I wish I had. The stories of building a
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skating pond for the kids in the winter,
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patrolling the streets at Halloween to
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make sure everyone was safe, and of
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course, tales of fire and rescue at a
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time when the department was a small
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percentage of the size of his family.
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Steve achieve and wit brightens every
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room I've ever been in with him, and I'm
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proud to call him my friend. Lexa Clark
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was instrumental in forming the Jamaica
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Rescue Squad and has been his backbone
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since it was formed. She continues to
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serve as rescue captain and most likely
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goes to more calls than the rescue
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department. She is our longest serving
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member and has cared for our department
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like no one has before. On behalf of my
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family, Jamaica Volunteer Fire and
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Rescue and the entire Jamaica community,
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I would like to thank Steve and Lester
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Clark for their lifetime of service to
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their community for being outstanding
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neighbors and cherished friends from the
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bottom of our hearts. Scott
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Go ahead. Laura's going to speak have
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some other things to talk about.
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>> Okay. And so, uh, I'm happy I'll I'll
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give you a few brief updates about what
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I've been up to and then answer
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questions, um, to the extent that you
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would like to hear them. I need to try
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and leave by 10:30 to meet with Strat
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next. Uh, so
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briefly, I have provided an update,
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printed update. It's over um with the
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town clerk, and I do have a weekly
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update that goes out. you can sign up on
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my website. Uh so,
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thank you all for electing me. I'm now
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in my sixth term in the legislature. Uh
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this is my second term representing
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Jamaica.
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uh serve on the environment and digital
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infrastructure committee in the house
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and I also am a co-chair of the rural
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caucus and also of the Vermont National
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Guard and Veterans Affairs Caucus.
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This year uh the big issue for me has
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been around Act 250 reform. In 2022, the
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legislature passed act 181, which is a
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major reform of act 250. It calls for
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uh act 250 to be applicable based on
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where you are as opposed to what your
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project is, which is a big change. So
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there is mapping happening throughout
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the state and rule making happening by
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the land use review board, that's the
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natural resources board.
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This is historic work and the rural
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caucus has led an effort which has a lot
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of agreement uh to delay that work to
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make sure that Vermonters can keep a
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pace with the changes can participate in
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the rule making and can understand the
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impacts potentially to their land before
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this goes in place. uh we have agreement
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and support from the Vermont legal
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cities and towns, the Vermont Chamber,
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the regional planning commissions and
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others. That work is happening right now
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in the Senate. Uh that has been really a
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big issue for me this year. Uh in
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addition, I have our committee has
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focused on notice when copper landlines
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are changed for fiber.
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This is uh happening throughout our
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state and there's a difference between
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copper and fiber in terms of your
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ability to call for help if the power is
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out. And so that's a pretty serious um
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issue that we want to stay on top of. Uh
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Consolidated has been switching and
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retiring their copper. In order to do
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that, they need the federal government's
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permission. And uh when they go to get
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the federal government's permission,
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there are very few people that are
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noticed. The governor is noticed, the
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public utility commission is noticed,
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and the secretary of defense is noticed.
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Uh customers get a small marketing piece
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in their bills. And so we have found
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that people's understanding of what's
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happening has not matched um has not
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matched the timeline. So our committee
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has worked on increasing uh notice uh
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both to the 911 board to the department
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of public service and really providing
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more information to customers about your
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rights um and consumer protection law in
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the state of Vermont.
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Uh in addition, I think this is a town
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that uh that has the local option tax on
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something. Is that true?
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>> We do. We have a sales tax.
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>> Yes.
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>> So, uh the local option tax, many of you
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will know uh that is Hey, I love looking
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around and see if people really know.
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>> Oh, there's Kate. Um so, local option
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tax. uh before uh
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it was 70% the town was able to retain
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and 30% the state would use for payment
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move taxes. That's payments to towns
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that host state buildings. More and more
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towns have been raising local option tax
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electing to do that. uh although it is
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still a minority of Vermont towns and
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as they have been doing that a surplus
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has been gathering. I think I talked
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with you all maybe about this last year
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at town meeting. Uh surpluses are not
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good things to gather in state
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government. People are always looking
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for money. So last year the governor
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proposed using some of that surplus for
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flood recovery. uh and the in response
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uh there was a change. Towns now able to
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keep 75% 25% to uh the state. However,
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more towns have elected to tax
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themselves with the local option tax.
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And so that surplus is growing and once
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again this year there is uh reaching in
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and saying oh let's take $8 million of
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that out for the statewide reappraisal.
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So this is a problem for me. You all had
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to discuss amongst yourselves whether or
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not you wanted to raise that tax here in
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your town. You understood the parameters
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by which you were doing that. And so I'm
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hoping that this year we're actually
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going to talk about and change the law
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uh about what those dollars can be used
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for. I don't think it's appropriate for
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you to vote for it to be used for one
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thing and then the state would decide
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they'll be using it for something else.
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Um in addition uh in terms of energy,
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there's a lot to be said about energy.
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I'll tell you one thing that I'm working
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on which are uh which is the sighting of
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data centers. I don't know if folks have
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heard about data centers. Um it there is
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it's a huge huge thing that is happening
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in the country. Um some states saw this
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as a boom uh property tax revenue etc.
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They are enormous consumers of
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electricity and water. They make a lot
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of noise. They are not they don't bring
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a lot of jobs. Um they do pay property
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tax. They also may invest significantly
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in public infrastructure so they don't
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use it. We don't think that it's really
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that likely that we will see a data
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center in Vermont, but if we did or even
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in New England, it could be very
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impactful to our electric rates. And so
[14:17]
our committee is working on if a data
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center were to come to Vermont, how
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would we want that to locate people and
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to make sure that we understand if we
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have uh environmental laws and water
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laws and energy laws in place that would
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um protect others. Finally, I would say
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um in terms of uh the education reform
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debate, and I know Jamaica continues to
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have heartache around education. Um
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these are difficult discussions in the
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legislature as well. Uh it is always
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that way and uh it is always where can
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we get enough votes to move forward. Um
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it is that divisive in the legislature.
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In the house you need 76 people to agree
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which is very hard on education. In the
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senate you need 16 to agree also very
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hard. And then the governor needs to
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agree. This year, the governor has said
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that he will not sign a budget or
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education law if we do not continue to
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proceed with education reform in act 73.
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I believe the language that he used
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provides flexibility for what that might
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be. Uh but that is still unfolding.
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Right now there are two maps um which
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one should think about as governance
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maps. These are consolidation of boards
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that are being contemplated.
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Uh and
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a lot to say about that. Um also really
[15:55]
nothing to say about it at the same
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time. It is a very unclear. Uh so I will
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leave it at that. Um happy to take
[16:03]
questions. I also will say I have
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decided that I would like to run again
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to represent you. I have petitions
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circulating here. Um I hope to be able
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to grab them and take them to Stratton.
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So, if you would send them towards the
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back if you have them. And Mr. I'll take
[16:20]
questions as long as you
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>> question.
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DB Fiber.
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>> Yes.
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>> Do you know what the status is of their
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um progress towards other towns like
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>> So,
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>> I don't want to Is there anybody from DB
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Fiber here?
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>> Yeah. Okay.
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>> And our our representative on the JPC is
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not here. Yeah,
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>> he actually Well, because you know we're now looking for an affiliate to be
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affiliated status.
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>> I don't know.
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>> Because we can't. In other words, we
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can't we're not part of the cut anymore.
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Not part
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>> Oh,
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>> yeah. But we will be represented by an
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affiliated town.
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>> Okay.
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I did not know that.
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>> Yeah. Just Yeah.
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>> Last few weeks. Yeah.
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» Um is there anybody on JP? you know, I
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unfortunately I'm not I'm not um I'm a
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recipient of the information instead of
[17:13]
a participant, not a member of the JPC.
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Um essentially um you know, consolidated
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was awarded um the um the RFP for uh the
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area that includes Jamaica.
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>> Uh DV Fiber did not. However, and and of
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course our concern is that that means
[17:34]
the last mile, which is the folks that
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are the most rural and the farthest from
[17:39]
uh an urb, you know, a more densely
[17:41]
populated area, will not be served
[17:44]
adequately served by broadband, which is
[17:46]
one of the reasons why our communication
[17:48]
unions district was really working very
[17:51]
closely with DV Fiber. So DV Fiber is
[17:54]
not gone. It's just unfortunately was
[17:56]
not awarded Jamaica.
[17:57]
>> Okay. So that I understood. Okay. Okay.
[17:59]
When I heard you say you were
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unaffiliated, did you guys leave the
[18:01]
CUD?
[18:02]
>> Well, so be so because of that, right,
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our role in the CUD is is minimized and
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our representative
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>> is is he's retiring. He's retire, you
[18:13]
know, he's welld deserved retirement
[18:15]
from those roles.
[18:17]
>> Um, but Jamaica does have an option to
[18:20]
be represented. So we don't actually
[18:22]
have a formal vote on the CUD, but we
[18:25]
would have a another town would serve as
[18:27]
our kind of representative. We'd have an
[18:29]
indirect vote and of course we can
[18:31]
always attend,
[18:32]
>> but that's kind of that's our legal
[18:34]
status right now.
[18:35]
>> Yes. Okay, great. So there were bead is
[18:40]
the money u broadband equity. Oh, I'm
[18:43]
going to forget it. Um but it was
[18:44]
hundreds of millions of dollars that
[18:47]
were awarded to states and billions
[18:49]
actually to states and uh this is uh
[18:55]
areas had to bid on or companies had to
[18:58]
bid on different areas and I understand
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um this this area uh consolidated
[19:06]
provided the lowest bid for getting to
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um your addresses and so that was that
[19:14]
had to be taken into account by the
[19:18]
community broadband report. So,
[19:22]
um I would just encourage you all though
[19:24]
if you have challenges, please continue
[19:27]
to reach out to me, reach out to the
[19:29]
Department of Public Service. Um I'm I'm
[19:32]
worried um about consolidating.
[19:37]
Laura,
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>> could you say anything about the Vermont
[19:40]
National Guard deployment to Saudi
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Arabia or Iran?
[19:47]
>> Uh,
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what my opinion of it?
[19:53]
>> Well,
[19:57]
you know what's going on? I think
[19:59]
there's also fighter jets from
[20:01]
Burlington involved.
[20:03]
>> Yeah. I just wondered if you could
[20:05]
explain what's going on.
[20:06]
>> So, I believe that the F-35s, I believe
[20:10]
others have independently confirmed
[20:12]
their the uh Air Wing, which has F-35s,
[20:15]
the Vermont Air Guard, has been deployed
[20:19]
um they were deployed to the Caribbean
[20:22]
um and then were deployed to the Middle
[20:24]
East. So, um, those of you who receive
[20:27]
emails from me, there is a pretty
[20:29]
active, uh, effort for defend this
[20:33]
legislation called Defend the Guard. Um,
[20:36]
and, uh, there I've had a tremendous
[20:39]
amount of outreach about that. Um, it
[20:43]
would require the governor to assess
[20:47]
whether or not uh the orders that are
[20:51]
coming to the National Guard, the
[20:52]
federal orders that are coming to the
[20:54]
National Guard are legal. And if they
[20:58]
are not, it would require the governor
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to prevent the guard from being
[21:03]
deployed. So, I've just sent something
[21:05]
out with my assessment about kind of the
[21:07]
legal the technicality of that and
[21:10]
whether or not I think it's legal.
[21:12]
um or doable or effective. Um I I do
[21:17]
think that Congress should be doing a
[21:21]
much better job in terms of deal in in
[21:25]
this and uh this is this administration
[21:28]
is not the first time the last time that
[21:30]
Congress declared war was in World War
[21:31]
II. So um this is a problem where we are
[21:36]
getting disconnected from the people in
[21:38]
terms of deployments. So I understand
[21:41]
the angst around this. Um I don't think
[21:45]
that there is enough support to see
[21:47]
defend the guard pass in Vermont.
[21:50]
There may be enough to see it get it
[21:52]
done get a hearing. So
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» is there any uh push for any sort of
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housing in the rural areas because I
[22:03]
know a lot of younger people that still
[22:05]
like to live in the rural areas but
[22:07]
there is no everything's about the big
[22:10]
cities. housing coming there blah blah. Is there any push to have some
[22:14]
sort of affordable housing in in the
[22:18]
rural parts of this area?
[22:20]
>> So the question is is there any push to
[22:23]
have um rural to have affordable housing
[22:26]
in the rural parts of the state? There
[22:27]
are young people that would like to be
[22:29]
here that are having a hard time finding
[22:31]
homes. So there are two things that I
[22:33]
would note. Uh, one is the CHIP program
[22:36]
that passed last year, which is for uh,
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it's a community program which would
[22:43]
allow a developer to work with a
[22:45]
community on financing the
[22:48]
infrastructure that's necessary to build
[22:52]
um, housing developments. So that could
[22:54]
be sidewalks,
[22:56]
water,
[22:58]
connections to wastewater, um, electric
[23:01]
infrastructure, parking lots, etc. Uh,
[23:05]
so that passed last year. I feel hopeful
[23:08]
about that as a tool for housing
[23:10]
developers. in terms of rural housing.
[23:15]
So I want to be very very clear about
[23:17]
the language that is used in the
[23:20]
legislature regularly.
[23:23]
I hear in the legislature this phrase,
[23:27]
we have decided that we want housing in
[23:32]
downtowns and villages.
[23:35]
Okay, Vermont. And so that is I I often
[23:40]
question who is we um but that is uh how
[23:44]
our land use policy is designed. So
[23:48]
remember I started with act 181.
[23:51]
looks to remove regulation act 250
[23:56]
regulation from development in downtowns
[24:01]
and villages that have infrastructure
[24:04]
like water and wastewater. So to try and
[24:07]
make it easier to build in those places.
[24:11]
And the flip side is
[24:15]
outside of that we have right now a road
[24:19]
rule that is about to come into effect
[24:22]
uh which will be applicable throughout
[24:24]
the entire state and tier three which
[24:28]
are sensitive natural areas those places
[24:32]
will automatically
[24:33]
be required to go through act 250. So
[24:36]
there are small places where there's
[24:40]
public infrastructure in downtowns and
[24:42]
villages where we are removing
[24:45]
regulation.
[24:46]
Outside of that we are increasing
[24:49]
regulation. So you'll have to decide if
[24:52]
you think that's helpful or not.
[24:59]
Um, I'm curious what you think of uh the
[25:02]
tax reform bill that is being I'm not
[25:05]
sure if it's been introduced or will be
[25:07]
introduced into the House and Senate.
[25:12]
>> It's only right here. Okay.
[25:14]
>> Um, it is a wealth kind of a wealth.
[25:17]
>> So, and the reason it's only right here
[25:20]
is I don't think the governor would ever
[25:23]
sign such a thing. I don't think the
[25:25]
votes are there to override the
[25:27]
governor. And so I have to think about
[25:30]
do I want to spend time on a statement?
[25:33]
Sometimes I say yes I do.
[25:36]
Um or do I want to try and make sure
[25:39]
other things are happening? So it's not
[25:41]
it hasn't really reached here. Happy to
[25:44]
follow back up and again you know maybe
[25:47]
provide some information.
[25:50]
>> Any other questions? Oh
[25:52]
>> just back to the act 250. I just want to
[25:55]
make sure you understand the
[25:57]
implications for Jamaica. We do not have
[26:00]
that municipal infrastructure. Correct.
[26:03]
>> That's right. We do not.
[26:04]
>> So, we're outside of that. We're in the
[26:06]
like more regulation, not less. So, this
[26:09]
really affects us.
[26:10]
>> That's right.
[26:10]
>> In a very specific way. Okay. Thanks for
[26:12]
the question.
[26:13]
>> That's right. And I think folks would
[26:14]
say Jamaica is a town that floods a lot.
[26:18]
that is that the town is very
[26:19]
environmentally sensitive and we want to
[26:22]
make sure that anything that's built
[26:24]
there is built to last and that you have
[26:27]
water and waste water. That would be the
[26:29]
defense of that. But yes, I think you're
[26:32]
absolutely correct.
[26:33]
>> Thank you.
[26:34]
>> Other questions for Laura
[26:38]
>> have a question. I live directly on two
[26:40]
rivers and I was just curious whether
[26:43]
anybody is gonna keep dredging that uh
[26:47]
ball mountain brook past a bridge on
[26:49]
Depot Street because it directly affects
[26:51]
all the people that live below it. So,
[26:53]
it's been dipped into beautifully by
[26:55]
Hunter right up to that bridge and then
[26:57]
after that it's it's just a flat full of
[27:01]
rubble thing that's going to just flood
[27:04]
as soon as that rush of water comes
[27:06]
down. There's no place except for on
[27:07]
everybody's land for it to do.
[27:10]
>> Have you seen any judging here?
[27:11]
>> Yeah, we did. That's more of a question
[27:13]
for the select board though because
[27:14]
they're the ones who would handle that.
[27:15]
>> That's not a state thing. That's that's
[27:17]
a that's a local thing that we work with
[27:18]
we've worked with FEMA on.
[27:20]
>> Okay. Sorry.
[27:21]
>> So,
[27:22]
>> okay.
[27:23]
>> Yeah. Good question though.
[27:25]
>> Thank you everybody. Thank you for the
[27:26]
time.
[27:36]
All right.
[27:37]
>> Oh, and just really quickly, there's
[27:38]
still some seats in the front.
[27:40]
>> Yeah, guys, you want to move up? There's
[27:41]
some seats up here. Particularly
[27:42]
>> comfy cushion seats in front.
[27:44]
>> Want to hide in the back? That's fine,
[27:45]
too.
[27:46]
>> Seats up there.
[27:49]
>> Yes, there's like
[27:52]
Erica Bowman's going to our Larrett of
[27:54]
Jamaica is going to be reading a poem,
[27:56]
Knitting in the Round.
[28:00]
Hello.
[28:01]
>> Thank you.
[28:03]
>> Hi everybody.
[28:06]
I started as I do every so often
[28:10]
knitting again.
[28:12]
And um it's like I can't believe I
[28:15]
didn't bring it with me, but I I would
[28:16]
have loved to have shown you that the
[28:18]
current thing I'm knitting is a a hat
[28:20]
which is on a circular needle which
[28:22]
inspired the thinking about knitting and
[28:26]
all of the many ways that
[28:29]
um you can look at it in any way. It
[28:31]
inspired this poem. It's called Knitting
[28:34]
in the Round.
[28:37]
I was delighted to see my friend in his
[28:40]
handk knit sweater vest with the
[28:43]
slightly crooked neck at candidates
[28:46]
night. It had an intricate design and
[28:49]
vaguely puffy sleeves which made him
[28:51]
look gallant like a prince or a knight
[28:54]
from another time. And he wore it with
[28:57]
an easy assurance without contention or
[29:00]
self-consciousness.
[29:02]
After all, it was made by his daughter,
[29:05]
which was all the more sweet. It takes
[29:08]
an awfully long time to knit a sweater
[29:10]
vest.
[29:12]
Earlier at the stitching ditch at River
[29:16]
and Ry,
[29:17]
I met a new friend who gave us pointers
[29:20]
while we cast on the wool for our new
[29:22]
red hats. She told us that it was men
[29:26]
who had originally invented knitting
[29:28]
back in Egypt or maybe Mesopotamia.
[29:32]
Admittedly, I thought to myself, well,
[29:34]
they got the credit at least.
[29:38]
But sure enough, beside me, there was a
[29:40]
tall, handsome man knitting still, as if
[29:44]
the ark of the centuries had had no
[29:46]
impact. or perhaps that we had already
[29:50]
come full orbit once again where men
[29:52]
could be men just sitting and knitting
[29:54]
in circles of friends. Either way, he
[29:57]
would soon be dawning a new sweater vest
[29:59]
himself, or so I hoped.
[30:03]
Over at the spinnery in Putney, where I
[30:05]
had procured the red yarn, the air is
[30:08]
perpetually thick and stinky of lenoline
[30:10]
and pasture. Spinners work in small
[30:13]
batches with wool acquired from local
[30:16]
farmers on large spiky formidable
[30:20]
machines. And despite the finished skes
[30:23]
arranged by color and gauge and the
[30:26]
sweaters that demonstrate the patterns
[30:28]
they've made, this place feels more
[30:31]
factory than a showroom. a modern-day
[30:33]
wool and mill, a vestage of the once
[30:36]
booming textile industry that
[30:39]
encompassed this state and even our own
[30:41]
little town.
[30:43]
And it seems amazing that it wasn't even
[30:45]
that long ago that these treefilled
[30:48]
hills were cleared for pasture to feed
[30:51]
the marino sheep.
[30:53]
My neighbor, 100 years old and
[30:56]
possessing a longer range view than
[30:58]
most, once showed me a photograph of my
[31:00]
own wooded cops, that of course had once
[31:03]
been his.
[31:05]
From the old stage coach in to my house
[31:07]
on the hill was near a tree. They say
[31:11]
that in the 1830s there were more sheep
[31:13]
than people, and the hills were clipped
[31:15]
as close as scalps. But the stone walls
[31:19]
that stitch across the landscape became
[31:21]
boundaries and monuments of great
[31:23]
importance, regarded by haywards and
[31:26]
fence viewers and surveyors.
[31:29]
And the forests we now praise as ancient
[31:33]
are actually adolescent
[31:35]
fortuitous regrowth. A quiet apology to
[31:38]
the woodlands of Yore. I think about
[31:41]
this while I count my stitches, circling
[31:44]
around and around and around.
[31:48]
Is this cycle like a cyclone? I wonder.
[31:51]
Or is it a patient curvaceious
[31:54]
architecture built from a single stitch?
[31:57]
Loop pulled through loop pulled through
[32:00]
loop.
[32:02]
I guess it depends on your perspective,
[32:04]
on your own position in the fabric of
[32:06]
time.
[32:08]
Soon enough, I look up from my knitting
[32:12]
and gaze around this very room and
[32:15]
think, "Here we are again."
[32:18]
I lament at the passing of yet another
[32:20]
year,
[32:22]
but then I pick up my yarn and continue
[32:24]
my round.
[32:37]
Thank you, Erica. Uh, we're going to go
[32:39]
on to article one to elect a moderator
[32:42]
for a term of one year. Do I hear any
[32:44]
nominations?
[32:45]
>> I nominate Tom Tolbert.
[32:47]
>> Tom Tolbert has been nominated for
[32:49]
moderator. Do I hear any other
[32:51]
nominations?
[32:54]
» Other nominations? Hearing none, I'm
[32:57]
closing nominations. Uh, can I have the
[32:59]
clerk give one vote? I can't do that.
[33:01]
Sarah, would you would someone give one
[33:03]
vote for the for the for the POS for Tom
[33:04]
Tolbert? Sarah Whiswall gave one vote
[33:06]
for Tom Tolbert and Tom Tolbert's
[33:09]
elected moderator. Thank you folks for
[33:10]
having your trust in me for another
[33:12]
year.
[33:13]
>> Who was the second?
[33:15]
>> Um Patrick
[33:15]
>> Patrick was second. Yes. Sorry.
[33:18]
Uh moving on then to art. Oh, first
[33:20]
thing I want couple of thanks for all
[33:22]
coming on on this cold morning. Um
[33:24]
again, my role here is to facilitate the
[33:27]
will of the body, the voters of Jamaica.
[33:30]
Um,
[33:31]
this is your meeting and I'm here to
[33:34]
facilitate your wants and needs. Um,
[33:37]
once an article has been moved and
[33:39]
seconded, we can then have a discussion
[33:40]
about it. I'm asking that please keep
[33:42]
those discussions to the article at
[33:44]
hand. We we'll have time to talk about
[33:46]
other things at the end of the meeting
[33:47]
for open uh just for other things. Um,
[33:50]
when speaking before speaking, stand up
[33:52]
and please state your name very clearly
[33:54]
so we know who's speaking. Um each
[33:57]
person in the room per article will get
[33:59]
one chance to speak and then every once
[34:02]
everyone else has had their opportunity,
[34:04]
you can have a second chance to speak.
[34:06]
Um please
[34:09]
try to be civil to each other. We're all
[34:11]
neighbors here. We want to make sure we
[34:12]
want to be kind to each other. When
[34:14]
speaking, you're addressing me. You're
[34:16]
addressing the moderator. Uh there are
[34:17]
not to be any side conversations and
[34:19]
members of the body are not to directly
[34:21]
respond to each other. Um,
[34:24]
we're only allowed to vote on articles.
[34:26]
You're I'm sorry. You're only allowed to
[34:28]
vote on articles if you're a registered
[34:29]
voter in the town of Jamaica. If you
[34:31]
haven't picked up your paper ballots,
[34:32]
please go see Sarah and Heather and do
[34:34]
that. Um,
[34:37]
all votes will be will be will start off
[34:39]
as being voice votes from the floor. If
[34:42]
it's unclear if an article passes, then
[34:43]
we'll go to a uh hand vote. If that vote
[34:47]
isn't definitive, then we'll go to a
[34:48]
paper ballot vote. At any time, seven
[34:51]
members of the body can request a paper
[34:53]
ballot vote. Uh when we're doing the
[34:55]
paper ballots, I want everyone to come
[34:57]
through the center, come up to the
[34:59]
ballot box, which is at the front here,
[35:00]
and then exit towards the sides. Please,
[35:03]
of course, only vote once. Um if someone
[35:05]
needs help depositing their ballot,
[35:07]
please let me know and I can have a
[35:08]
Justice of the Peace or Rob Willis uh
[35:11]
constable come and bring the ballot up
[35:12]
for them. You please don't bring someone
[35:14]
else's ballot up. Um, and lastly, um,
[35:17]
please let's everyone silence their cell
[35:19]
phones. Uh, we don't want any phones
[35:21]
going off during our discussions and
[35:22]
such. And lastly, the bathrooms are in
[35:24]
the back for people who don't know that.
[35:26]
So, thank you for all coming today. It
[35:28]
was a cold morning. So, moving along to
[35:30]
article two to review the town report.
[35:34]
Do I have a motion?
[35:39]
» Olivia.
[35:41]
Second.
[35:44]
» Second. Second, Andy Coin.
[35:47]
>> Thank you. Uh, any discussion on the the
[35:49]
town report?
[35:55]
» You want to call the motion?
[35:56]
>> Call the vote.
[35:56]
>> Okay, I'm going to call the vote.
[35:57]
Hearing none, we're going to call the
[35:58]
vote. All in favor of uh accepting the
[36:01]
town report, say I.
[36:04]
>> I.
[36:05]
>> Against.
[36:06]
Motion passes. Article passes.
[36:10]
On to article three to elect the
[36:12]
following officers as required by law.
[36:15]
Uh
[36:16]
first position is selectman for the term
[36:18]
of three years.
[36:21]
That position is currently held um
[36:25]
>> by I think it was who was that held by?
[36:27]
That was held by Andy Coin. So do I have
[36:29]
any nominations for selectman of for one
[36:32]
year for three years? I'm sorry.
[36:34]
>> I nominate Robert Brooks.
[36:36]
>> Robert Brooks has been nominated by
[36:37]
Karen Amaden. Do a second.
[36:40]
>> Terry second.
[36:41]
>> Terry Utel second.
[36:45]
Any other nominations?
[36:47]
>> Hearing none. I'm going to close
[36:48]
nominations. All in favor?
[36:51]
>> Oh, sorry.
[36:52]
>> Can the people stand up when they're
[36:54]
nominated?
[36:55]
>> Yeah, if you want to. That's Robert
[36:57]
Brooks.
[36:57]
>> I'm Robert.
[36:58]
>> Hi, everybody.
[36:59]
>> Robert was appointed select board uh
[37:01]
what about a month and a half ago?
[37:03]
>> Yeah. So, therefore, so all in favor of
[37:05]
Robert Brooks. I
[37:09]
>> Robert passes. Robert Robert gets the three-year position of
[37:12]
selectment. Thank you, Robert.
[37:13]
>> Thank you.
[37:13]
>> U next position is select select person
[37:16]
for term of one year. This position is
[37:19]
currently held by um I think it's by
[37:22]
Kate Olman.
[37:25]
Do I hear any nominations for uh select
[37:28]
person for the term of one year?
[37:29]
>> I nominate Kate.
[37:32]
>> Who seconded? I'm sorry.
[37:34]
>> CJ seconded. Any other nominations?
[37:38]
Hearing none. I'm closing nominations.
[37:40]
Um, all in favor?
[37:42]
>> I.
[37:44]
>> Kate Omen. Thank you. Co Kate for the
[37:46]
select person of one year. Third
[37:48]
position is a select person for the term
[37:49]
of one year.
[37:52]
This position was held by Christina
[37:54]
Robinson who is resigned. Um, do I hear
[37:57]
any nominations for this position
[37:58]
>> and and was filled
[37:59]
>> and was filled by um
[38:00]
>> Jason C last week. So, do I have any
[38:05]
nominations for uh position of select
[38:07]
person for one year?
[38:08]
>> Chrissy made it.
[38:11]
>> Chissy,
[38:12]
>> you you nominate Jason. Okay.
[38:15]
>> Thank you. Any other nominations?
[38:18]
Hearing none. Uh all in favor of Jason C
[38:21]
getting the select person for a term of
[38:23]
one year.
[38:24]
>> I
[38:26]
>> Congratulations, Jason.
[38:28]
Uh next position is for the listister of
[38:30]
a term of three years. This position is
[38:32]
currently held by Pat Melman's.
[38:35]
Any nominations?
[38:37]
>> Pat Melman's.
[38:39]
>> Nominate Pat Melman.
[38:40]
>> Karen AMD nominates Pat Melman's.
[38:45]
» Any other nominations?
[38:49]
Hearing none. Uh all in favor of Pat
[38:51]
Melman's for the listister for the term
[38:53]
of three years. I
[38:54]
>> I
[38:57]
>> next is for the constable for the term
[38:59]
first constable for the term of one year
[39:01]
currently held by Rob Willis.
[39:05]
>> Do I hear any nominations for constible
[39:06]
of one year or first constable for the
[39:08]
term of one year?
[39:12]
>> I'll second.
[39:12]
>> Rob Willis has been nominated. Any other
[39:15]
nominations?
[39:17]
Hearing none. All in favor of Rob Willis
[39:19]
for the con for the term for the first
[39:21]
constable for the term of one year. I
[39:24]
>> thank you. Uh for the term for the
[39:27]
second constable for the term of one
[39:28]
year currently held by Ben Williams.
[39:31]
You don't hear no nominations
[39:34]
>> for second constable for the term of one
[39:36]
year.
[39:36]
>> Ben Williams.
[39:37]
declines.
[39:40]
>> Yep. Okay.
[39:42]
>> Yep.
[39:43]
>> Any other nominations?
[39:47]
» Anybody interested?
[39:53]
Anybody?
[39:54]
>> I'll nominate Erica Bowman.
[40:00]
» Erica respectfully declines.
[40:03]
>> Um,
[40:07]
» anybody?
[40:08]
>> It's not a big job.
[40:09]
>> Yeah.
[40:10]
>> Clara, did you have
[40:13]
>> Could the person explain the job?
[40:15]
>> Basically, yeah. I mean, Rob, you want
[40:17]
to explain that because you're the first
[40:18]
constable. Um pretty much it's we become
[40:22]
uh glorified dog catchers. So
[40:26]
when I leave town then the second
[40:28]
constable fills in. So if you get if
[40:29]
there's the state police call or someone
[40:31]
calls about an animal that's been
[40:33]
missing or found on the road then
[40:35]
sometimes you need to go there and pick
[40:37]
the animal up and go to the humane
[40:39]
society with the animal or try to use
[40:41]
the list and um bring the dog back to
[40:43]
its owner.
[40:44]
>> So it's it's pretty pretty easy.
[40:48]
Yes, sir.
[40:48]
>> Andrew Schmidt.
[40:50]
has been nominated for
[40:52]
second constable.
[40:53]
>> I second.
[40:56]
>> Any other nominations?
[40:58]
>> All in favor of Andrew Schmidt being
[41:00]
elected second constable for one year.
[41:02]
>> I
[41:03]
>> Thank you, Andy.
[41:05]
>> Thank you. Um,
[41:08]
next position is trustee of public funds
[41:10]
for the term of one year
[41:12]
currently held by Rob Willis.
[41:16]
Do I hear any nominations
[41:19]
for public trustee of public funds for
[41:22]
the term of one year?
[41:23]
>> I'll nominate Rob Willis.
[41:24]
>> Rob Willis has been nominated.
[41:27]
>> Any other Any other nominations?
[41:30]
>> You need a second.
[41:31]
>> You had a second.
[41:32]
>> I had a second back there.
[41:33]
>> Okay.
[41:33]
>> Y
[41:34]
>> hearing none. All in favor of Rob Willis
[41:37]
being elected trustee of public funds
[41:39]
for the term of one year. I
[41:43]
>> agent to deed land for the term of one
[41:46]
year
[41:48]
currently held by um Andy Coin.
[41:52]
>> You want to hear any nominations for the
[41:54]
agent to deed land for the term of one
[41:56]
year.
[41:58]
>> I'll nominate Andy Coin. Andy, are you
[42:00]
going to be around because you'd
[42:01]
actually have to sign some deeds this
[42:02]
year.
[42:04]
>> Andy Coin has been nominated.
[42:07]
>> Hi.
[42:08]
>> Do I hear any of the sec nominations?
[42:10]
Second. Chris, do I hear any other
[42:12]
nominations for the for the agent of to
[42:14]
deed land for the term of one year?
[42:19]
All in favor of Andy being elected?
[42:21]
>> I.
[42:22]
>> Thank you, Andy.
[42:25]
>> We're cruising through these. Library
[42:26]
trustee for the two for two years of a
[42:29]
five-year term. Um,
[42:32]
currently held by Marylu Lamar Dawi.
[42:36]
Um, do I hear any nominations for uh,
[42:40]
library trustee term of two out of two
[42:42]
years out of a three-year term?
[42:44]
>> I nominate Siobhan Mcder.
[42:46]
>> Siobhan McDerman has been nominated.
[42:49]
>> Okay. Any other nominations?
[42:54]
Hearing none. All in favor of Siobhan
[42:56]
being elected uh, library trustee for
[42:58]
the term of two years of a of a 5-year
[43:00]
term.
[43:01]
>> I
[43:02]
>> Okay, she's been elected. I also um and
[43:05]
it's my I will take responsibility for
[43:07]
this. There is another library position
[43:09]
open but it was not warned properly. So
[43:11]
if you are interested being a library
[43:13]
trustee talk to either Meline or the
[43:16]
board and you can be appointed to that
[43:17]
position. So unfortunately it's not
[43:19]
being worn so we can't vote on it today.
[43:22]
I apologize for that. Um
[43:26]
article four to see what sum of money
[43:28]
the voters will vote to pay the town's
[43:30]
running expenses and how it will be
[43:32]
collected. Do we hear a motion?
[43:36]
Bonnie
[43:41]
motion that we spend a total of
[43:45]
2,221,138.13
[43:52]
of which 1,64,873.17
[44:02]
will be raised by taxation
[44:06]
for running expenses of the town. And
[44:09]
this along with the anticipated revenue
[44:12]
of $616,264.96
[44:20]
equaling total budget of the
[44:22]
$2,221,138.13
[44:29]
and payment will be due on or before
[44:33]
October 1st, 2026
[44:36]
and all unpaid taxes will become
[44:38]
delinquent on October 2nd, 2026 with an
[44:44]
8 added 8% penalty plus starting
[44:48]
December 1st, 2026, interest at the rate
[44:52]
of 1% will be added until paid in full.
[44:58]
>> Do I hear a second?
[45:00]
>> Greg Jolly second.
[45:03]
>> Does anyone want to discuss this?
[45:06]
>> Yeah. What was that?
[45:10]
numbers
[45:11]
>> those numbers were the numbers that were
[45:12]
uh proposed in the town report and the
[45:15]
budget
[45:15]
>> Patty the budget's actually in the
[45:17]
report right
[45:18]
>> if you have yeah if you have any
[45:20]
questions
[45:21]
>> okay
[45:21]
>> y%
[45:24]
fee
[45:26]
>> the state
[45:27]
>> that's a state fee we don't have any
[45:28]
control
[45:29]
>> that's by statute
[45:30]
>> my name is I have a question is there
[45:32]
accountants hired to do the the validity
[45:36]
of these numbers
[45:38]
Yeah, there's
[45:38]
>> sir Whiz the treasur.
[45:40]
>> What's the question? Is there a town
[45:42]
that the town hires that would validate
[45:44]
the numbers?
[45:45]
>> Uh, no. Myself and the select do the
[45:47]
budget.
[45:48]
>> Well, there's a
[45:51]
check after
[45:53]
>> absolutely
[45:54]
>> yes.
[45:56]
>> We have an outside auditor.
[45:59]
» They haven't checked it yet.
[46:03]
>> Yes.
[46:05]
Last fiscal year.
[46:09]
Other other discussions, other comments,
[46:11]
anybody
[46:14]
vote?
[46:15]
>> Move the question.
[46:16]
Thank you. All in
[46:18]
favor?
[46:19]
>> I against
[46:23]
the budget passes.
[46:26]
Article five to see if the voters will
[46:28]
authorize the select to borrow money in
[46:30]
anticipation of taxes.
[46:32]
Do I hear a motion?
[46:36]
I'll make them up.
[46:37]
>> Greg Jolly moves. Seconded.
[46:40]
>> Second.
[46:42]
Rob Willis. Any other comments on any
[46:44]
other discussion on that point?
[46:47]
>> All in favor?
[46:48]
>> I.
[46:51]
>> Article six. Shall the voters authorize
[46:53]
the select board to spend unanticipated
[46:56]
funds such as grants, gifts, or other
[46:58]
interests?
[46:59]
Can I get a motion?
[47:02]
>> So move.
[47:04]
Dana West. Second,
[47:06]
>> I have a question. How are those things
[47:09]
defined? Like, can you give any grant or
[47:13]
is there some parameters? This just
[47:16]
feels a little open-ended to me. I know
[47:19]
I'm new here, but that's why I want to
[47:21]
understand what it really means.
[47:23]
>> You want to talk? You want to address
[47:24]
it, Jessica?
[47:25]
>> Yeah, Patty, you've asked this. The
[47:28]
question has come up before. Um so you
[47:31]
see that the language like is in
[47:33]
quotation marks because it's actually
[47:35]
comes from the statutes. Um if we don't
[47:38]
we just if we don't follow the statute
[47:41]
then we arguably don't we can't utilize
[47:43]
the definitions that are there but it's
[47:47]
you know it's what you would expect if
[47:49]
we can um we often do throughout the
[47:52]
course of the year. There's some folks
[47:53]
in the audience that also participate in
[47:56]
obtaining grants for us. If we don't do
[47:58]
this at town meeting, we can't apply for
[48:00]
those grants and spend the funds.
[48:02]
Actually, we could probably apply for
[48:03]
them, but but we wouldn't necessarily
[48:05]
have clear statutory authority to spend
[48:07]
them. Um, I think we were talking about
[48:10]
the water study, for example. Um, there
[48:12]
is a one remaining grant, you know,
[48:14]
piece of money that we applied for last year or the year before, I can't
[48:19]
remember now. And we we can spend that
[48:21]
because we passed this as a town, this ordinance. Um,
[48:26]
uh,
[48:28]
it I mean I can afterwards I can I I I I
[48:31]
can send to you the statute.
[48:34]
>> I like to approve my
[48:39]
>> No, I mean
[48:40]
>> I just didn't care. I'm just trying to
[48:43]
>> Yeah. And and by the way, the select
[48:45]
board takes these actions. So come to
[48:48]
meetings, zoom in or come to meetings or
[48:51]
you know, you would see it as a as an
[48:53]
issue. Typically, it would be on the
[48:56]
agenda. So, if you see, you know, um
[48:58]
approval of a grant application, if you
[49:02]
want to know what that's about, just
[49:04]
come to the meeting or zoom in.
[49:06]
>> Fantastic. Thank you,
[49:07]
>> Jean. And then CJ,
[49:09]
>> I agree with the statement that was just
[49:10]
made. This is an open-ended
[49:13]
article number.
[49:16]
And so I would like to suggest that the
[49:19]
select board change this article from
[49:22]
the open-ended statutory language and
[49:24]
put in a list of priorities so that the
[49:27]
public knows what it is the select board
[49:30]
is thinking needs to be done.
[49:33]
>> Okay. What you can do, you can ask to
[49:35]
amend this, but this is this has to be
[49:38]
voted on as warned. We can make
[49:40]
amendments to the to the article that
[49:42]
was warned, but we can't change the
[49:43]
article in this meeting.
[49:47]
Can I suggest?
[49:48]
>> You could suggest You would have to
[49:50]
You'd have to suggest the list though
[49:51]
that I mean you'd have to say
[49:52]
>> I want to suggest priorities like that.
[49:55]
>> So we're going to be voting. So we're
[49:57]
going to So I need you to make the
[49:58]
motion on the amendment. So you'll make
[50:00]
a motion that you want to amend this
[50:02]
article and then the body can vote on
[50:06]
that amendment if it's voted up or down.
[50:07]
And if it's voted up then then it falls
[50:09]
then we go back to voting on the actual
[50:11]
article with the the amended article.
[50:14]
I amend this article so that in a way
[50:18]
that the selective will list the
[50:20]
priorities
[50:21]
clarifying the unanticipated funds such
[50:25]
as grants and or to be more specific.
[50:29]
>> Okay. Priorities. Okay. Did you get
[50:32]
that, April?
[50:35]
>> Thank you. Uh do I hear a second on that
[50:37]
amendment?
[50:41]
» I'll second it.
[50:43]
>> Can you read that? Reread that back.
[50:47]
» Um I she motioned to amend the article
[50:51]
with a list
[50:53]
>> of uses to clarify
[50:59]
» I don't remember the rest clarify the
[51:02]
priorities of the select board
[51:04]
um
[51:06]
using the unanticipated funds such as
[51:08]
grants, gifts, and interest.
[51:11]
So basically she's asking for a list the
[51:14]
select board to come up with a list to
[51:15]
clarify what those things are.
[51:18]
>> Seconded. What's your name?
[51:19]
>> Michael.
[51:20]
>> Mike Luen.
[51:22]
>> Okay.
[51:24]
Discussion.
[51:25]
>> Uh yeah on that. Um I'm the grant writer
[51:27]
for Grace Cottage. Um there are all
[51:30]
kinds of uh there's money available from
[51:33]
state and federal agencies to take care
[51:36]
of a lot of infrastructure projects.
[51:38]
There are things that only towns can
[51:40]
apply for um including right now
[51:43]
congressional appropriations.
[51:45]
Um and um
[51:46]
>> CJ,
[51:47]
>> I don't want to cut off, but we're
[51:47]
talking about the amendment here. You're
[51:49]
>> getting
[51:50]
>> And what concerns me about uh the
[51:53]
amendment is that um there may be
[51:56]
opportunities that you have to pass up
[51:58]
because they're not listed in the
[51:59]
priorities.
[52:00]
>> Okay, makes sense. Okay, thank you.
[52:02]
Eric, did you have your hand up?
[52:03]
>> Um that was the same thing. I was going
[52:05]
to say it's unanticipated so you don't
[52:07]
really know you're going to need it to.
[52:09]
>> Thank you.
[52:10]
>> I was just maybe I can make the
[52:11]
suggestion that if it is a significant
[52:14]
amount of money that we have a warning
[52:16]
or a notice posted and that's all. And
[52:18]
if someone wants to say something then
[52:20]
they're warned or noted and then you
[52:22]
don't have to amend anything. You just
[52:24]
kind of got to put it somewhere so
[52:25]
everyone knows about it before you do
[52:28]
it.
[52:28]
>> Thank you.
[52:29]
>> So right now we put we put it on the
[52:31]
agenda for the select board meetings. So
[52:34]
just there it's posted around post
[52:37]
office and yeah
[52:38]
>> so right now so we're going to be voting
[52:40]
on the amendment
[52:42]
>> to add a list of priorities from the
[52:45]
select board that will discuss the there
[52:49]
will be a list of priorities to what the
[52:50]
unsupported funds grants and gifts and
[52:52]
interest are for. That's the motion
[52:55]
that's on the table is the amendment.
[52:57]
>> So obligation
[52:59]
>> would this obligate the selection board?
[53:02]
Yes, that would obligate the select
[53:03]
board to come up with that list. Yes.
[53:07]
>> Would that list be would that list be
[53:10]
strict like they can't go past that?
[53:11]
>> That's correct. Yes, that's what I'm
[53:13]
understanding from the from the from the amended article. Yes,
[53:16]
>> Greg.
[53:16]
>> Yeah, Greg.
[53:18]
>> Jason.
[53:19]
>> Oh, yeah. Jason.
[53:20]
>> Jason, I'm sorry. just as a as a
[53:22]
possible alternative. It could be an
[53:25]
amendment to say that any of these funds
[53:29]
collected are spent in a manner that's
[53:31]
consistent with how they were given to
[53:33]
the town.
[53:34]
>> You could propose another amendment when
[53:35]
this is done if you'd like to do that.
[53:37]
>> I'd like I'd like to add too. I mean, I
[53:39]
me being the road commissioner, I I kind
[53:41]
of um coordinate a lot of the grants
[53:44]
that come to the state and and FEMA, and
[53:47]
the key word in there is unanticipated.
[53:50]
Um we we have obviously our role is to
[53:54]
maintain the roads as an example but we
[53:56]
can't specifically say we are going to
[53:58]
apply it to this. I mean we we we see
[54:01]
needs we see grants and we connect the
[54:03]
two. It's it's just very very hard to
[54:06]
sit there and anticipate an unant
[54:09]
anticipated
[54:10]
funding.
[54:12]
Any other discussion on the amendment?
[54:15]
I'm going to call the question on the
[54:17]
amendment.
[54:18]
All in favor of the amendment say I.
[54:23]
>> Opposed.
[54:26]
>> The amendment fails.
[54:29]
So back now to the original article six.
[54:32]
Shall the voters authorize select board
[54:33]
to spend unanticipated funds such as
[54:35]
grants, gift, and or interest? Do we
[54:39]
have any more discussion on this? This
[54:41]
has already been it's already been okay.
[54:43]
Call in the question. All in favor? I.
[54:46]
All against.
[54:49]
Article passes.
[54:51]
Article 7 to set the time for the
[54:54]
opening of the next annual town meeting
[54:55]
to be held the first Tuesday in March
[54:57]
2027.
[54:59]
Do you have a motion?
[55:01]
>> So move.
[55:02]
>> So moved by Meline.
[55:03]
>> Second.
[55:05]
>> Drew Hazelson.
[55:07]
>> Um, what's the date on this? It's the
[55:09]
4th next year, right? Do we know?
[55:13]
>> The one thing I didn't write in the
[55:14]
book.
[55:19]
the second next year. Sorry, it moves
[55:20]
the other direction. Okay. Um,
[55:24]
>> yes, March.
[55:25]
>> So, March 2nd next year. Does I mean,
[55:27]
we've talked about moving it to
[55:29]
Saturdays. I know we moved it to
[55:30]
Saturdays. It hasn't been I don't think
[55:31]
the turnout was any different. I think a
[55:33]
lot of the same people here. Um, the
[55:36]
motion's on the table to have it on the
[55:37]
second. Does anyone have any discussion
[55:39]
about that? Want to talk about that?
[55:41]
>> Yes.
[55:43]
Time for the opening. Time in there.
[55:45]
Does 10:00 work for people?
[55:47]
>> Okay.
[55:48]
>> Yep.
[55:50]
>> I'm just saying you might want to
[55:52]
include that instead
[55:54]
of the time.
[55:56]
>> Sue,
[55:56]
>> um Suski, what is the process in order
[56:00]
to possibly have it changed to a
[56:03]
different time? There are a lot of young
[56:04]
families. I'm looking around and there's
[56:06]
younger people here now, but there are a
[56:09]
lot of the younger generation that live
[56:10]
in town that are working today and they
[56:12]
would love to be involved in the the
[56:16]
politics of Jamaica, but they can't. Um,
[56:19]
and the pro I mean, it's not just this,
[56:21]
it's that the town clerk closing at 4 is
[56:24]
also difficult than the post office
[56:26]
closing when it's at their time. So
[56:28]
there's like there's a lot of that
[56:29]
stuff, but what is the process we need
[56:31]
to do to possibly get it on next year to
[56:35]
change?
[56:35]
>> We select it right now. You're here
[56:37]
right now. We can do it right now to say
[56:39]
what time we want to do it for next
[56:40]
year.
[56:40]
>> Yes.
[56:41]
>> Um like I said, we've we tried the pass
[56:44]
through on Saturdays and the turnout
[56:46]
wasn't any different. And it was the
[56:48]
same complaints. I have kids in school.
[56:49]
I have to work. Saturdays came around
[56:51]
and and people didn't come. I I'm just
[56:54]
saying from history. It was we did it a
[56:56]
couple years at the town garage during
[56:57]
CO and people didn't show up. So, but
[57:00]
I'm not saying either way, you know,
[57:02]
that's it's your decision as the body.
[57:08]
» Some people have it in the evening. I
[57:10]
know that some towns have had select
[57:12]
last night. Brooklyn and Vernon had
[57:13]
theirs last night. They do an evening
[57:15]
meeting. Um Vernon's went till what
[57:17]
12:15 last night. So, if you're
[57:20]
interested in that, that's that's up to
[57:22]
you guys.
[57:25]
So, the motion is on the table to do the
[57:27]
meeting um
[57:30]
the first Tuesday, March 2027 at 10 a.m.
[57:33]
>> Anyone? I mean,
[57:35]
>> question has been moved. All in favor of
[57:37]
that time and date.
[57:38]
>> I
[57:39]
>> opposed.
[57:42]
Motion passes.
[57:44]
>> Article passes. Uh article 8 to transact
[57:47]
any other business that may legally come
[57:49]
before this meeting. Can I get a motion?
[57:53]
>> John Began second
[57:57]
>> CJ to talk about anything else in the
[58:00]
meeting?
[58:00]
>> Open discussion.
[58:02]
>> Open. So right now we're here to
[58:03]
transact any of the business that may
[58:04]
legally come before the board before the
[58:07]
meeting. Does anyone have anything to
[58:08]
talk about?
[58:10]
>> Nelson.
[58:11]
Coleman. I just have a couple
[58:12]
questions. One is about the deficit you
[58:15]
had back a couple years ago that we sat
[58:17]
on for a long time and then we were
[58:18]
supposed to came up as an odd and was
[58:20]
supposed to move. It was like a million
[58:22]
dollars or something like that. Did FEMA
[58:24]
money take care of that? So that has
[58:26]
been erased or is that still sitting on
[58:27]
the boards?
[58:28]
>> So do you mean the the flood fund
[58:31]
deficit?
[58:32]
>> So yeah, remember last year we voted um
[58:35]
approximately a half a million dollars
[58:36]
to be placed in that fund. You'll you'll
[58:39]
see the change when when the audited
[58:42]
financials come out because that's where
[58:44]
you see the ex, you know, the status of
[58:46]
the current funds. Okay.
[58:47]
>> Yes.
[58:49]
>> But yeah. Oh, Sarah's
[58:50]
>> Sarah's got an answer here. Sarah,
[58:52]
>> we areing $25,000 a year is my item 200
[58:56]
for the FEMA repayment from Irene. So
[58:59]
that's where you're going to see in the
[59:00]
budget.
[59:01]
>> So do you know where the status is?
[59:02]
What's left on that million dollars or
[59:04]
whatever it was?
[59:05]
>> I can get it for you.
[59:07]
But we are working on it.
[59:08]
>> Yes, we
[59:11]
>> have been very You need to do this.
[59:14]
We're trying.
[59:15]
>> It's just It won't show up until we see
[59:16]
the auditors report.
[59:18]
>> Correct.
[59:18]
>> Okay. And then the other question, I'm
[59:19]
sure it's it's just a maintenance thing,
[59:21]
but a fee on the transfer station for
[59:24]
95,000. Is there going to be a bunch of
[59:26]
repairs taking place up there this year?
[59:28]
>> Yes. Yes, I can answer that as as town
[59:30]
administrator. Um we are we have an RFP
[59:33]
out. Hunter has accepted it. Uh we will
[59:35]
be doing we'll be pulling what pulling
[59:37]
down the awnings and rebuilding
[59:39]
basically regrading everything
[59:40]
rebuilding everything and and building
[59:42]
it back up. It's really in disrepair
[59:43]
right now. So that is going to start in
[59:45]
the spring.
[59:47]
>> Tie.
[59:48]
>> Is this a good time to ask about that
[59:50]
dredging of the rest of the river?
[59:52]
>> Yeah, you can talk. Yeah, you can ask
[59:53]
that now.
[59:55]
>> Yes, it is. Thank you.
[59:58]
>> Anyone have any thoughts? I spoke
[1:00:02]
personally with Hunter and he told me
[1:00:04]
there was no access to that part of the
[1:00:06]
river which I own it. So I will
[1:00:09]
>> where you saying downream
[1:00:11]
>> on the other side of the bridge where
[1:00:12]
the rocks are where the swimming hole is
[1:00:14]
that there is a huge amount just like
[1:00:17]
happened is the whole mountain came down
[1:00:19]
that river and deposited itself right
[1:00:21]
where Jamaica started all the way
[1:00:23]
through the town all the way down to
[1:00:25]
where the west river meets it. Right.
[1:00:27]
That's right. And we were very great
[1:00:29]
about dredging a large portion of it up
[1:00:33]
to the river on Depot Street. And it's a
[1:00:35]
nice well-made thing after the river on
[1:00:39]
Depot Street. It's flat and full of
[1:00:42]
rubble that up to the up to the edge of
[1:00:45]
everybody's lawns. So you have a ton of
[1:00:48]
water that's going to come down in the
[1:00:49]
spring.
[1:00:50]
It's going to hit all that stuff that
[1:00:52]
didn't get dredged. And it's going to
[1:00:54]
spread out on a lot of our properties,
[1:00:57]
mine in particular, and uh, of course,
[1:01:01]
my neighbors and just anybody that's
[1:01:03]
down and experienced that flood and we
[1:01:05]
all had to remove our animals that time
[1:01:08]
when the dam was having so much. I do
[1:01:11]
not want to relive that. And I want to
[1:01:13]
know if anybody had mentioned that.
[1:01:17]
>> Well, the dredging happened. It was a
[1:01:19]
part of FEMA funding. Yeah, Greg can
[1:01:21]
speak on that. I'm sorry. I have
[1:01:22]
multiple roles
[1:01:24]
>> that the debris removal FEMA dredging is
[1:01:28]
a four-letter word in in FEMA terms. So,
[1:01:30]
but anyway,
[1:01:31]
>> so we we removed debris.
[1:01:34]
>> So, we we actually were able to define
[1:01:37]
and luckily uh we were able to define a
[1:01:39]
project to remove that debris within the
[1:01:41]
village um because of infrastructure and
[1:01:44]
whatnot, bridges and homes. Obviously,
[1:01:47]
your homes are down there, too. Um, we
[1:01:50]
were not able to define a project to
[1:01:52]
remove the debris down lower. I'm not
[1:01:55]
denying that it doesn't need to be done.
[1:01:57]
Um, but it could be worked on. I mean,
[1:02:00]
it would be very, very, very challenging
[1:02:02]
to get the funding for it. Um, this
[1:02:05]
particular just that small section in
[1:02:07]
the village was over a half a million
[1:02:09]
dollars. Um, and which was wonderful
[1:02:12]
that we were able to get that. Um, and
[1:02:16]
not to say that we can't look again look
[1:02:18]
for grants or things like that. I mean,
[1:02:20]
it would it's it's well beyond anything
[1:02:22]
that we could do ourselves. Um, but we
[1:02:25]
>> we should be looking at things like that
[1:02:26]
for sure.
[1:02:27]
>> Yeah.
[1:02:28]
>> Okay.
[1:02:30]
>> And I can look into it too as as town
[1:02:32]
administrator. I can look at grants and
[1:02:33]
things to see if I can find anything.
[1:02:35]
But again, it's going to be getting the
[1:02:36]
money to do it. We all we all
[1:02:38]
acknowledge that there's a need to do
[1:02:39]
it. It's just trying to find the funds.
[1:02:42]
The other thing I would just say one
[1:02:43]
other thing which is that Scott Jensen
[1:02:45]
who's the person from the state who is
[1:02:48]
you've met him he he issues the um
[1:02:51]
permits to access the river and make
[1:02:53]
those changes. He he was I mean
[1:02:56]
obviously I'm concerned it was fight we
[1:02:58]
all you know the Meadows Road crew we
[1:03:00]
all we you know we were yeah um he felt
[1:03:05]
by the at the conclusion of the $600,000
[1:03:10]
project that we were able to complete
[1:03:12]
with with federal funds that that work
[1:03:15]
is going to improve our you know our
[1:03:17]
situation. um channels have already sort
[1:03:20]
of naturally been created there and he
[1:03:24]
felt that there would be continued
[1:03:26]
improvement behind your and and the hunt
[1:03:29]
house and around you know basically
[1:03:31]
impacting all of us. No guarantees but
[1:03:34]
he definitely felt that that that
[1:03:36]
project ameliated our situation. It
[1:03:39]
doesn't mean it wouldn't be great to
[1:03:41]
have another $200,000 to to do the rest
[1:03:44]
of the work or a quarter of a million
[1:03:46]
roughly to do the rest of the work.
[1:03:48]
>> I I can't imagine that that level
[1:03:50]
doesn't bring money like that that that
[1:03:53]
they I can't believe that that Phil
[1:03:56]
doesn't bring money.
[1:03:57]
>> So, we can't sell it. But Greg,
[1:03:59]
>> but we I mean it did bring value. Um we
[1:04:02]
were able to use it on our
[1:04:03]
>> We used it on our roads build up our
[1:04:04]
roads.
[1:04:05]
>> We can't sell it. We we can only
[1:04:06]
>> We can't offset the cost. cost him and
[1:04:08]
it still would be a cost, but if we
[1:04:09]
could apply it and improve other areas,
[1:04:13]
>> tiny, what I'll do is I'll follow up
[1:04:14]
with Scott Jensen about this and I'll
[1:04:16]
talk to him because obviously
[1:04:17]
>> if they want access through my land all
[1:04:19]
day long,
[1:04:20]
>> okay, so as as Jessica said, Scott
[1:04:23]
Jensen said he believes that that what
[1:04:25]
we've done will mitigate to some degree
[1:04:27]
the flooding lower down on the river. I
[1:04:29]
will I will follow up with him on that
[1:04:31]
and get back to you. Okay.
[1:04:33]
Hi, I'm Barbara Dalia on West Jamaica
[1:04:35]
Road and I just want to address you say
[1:04:37]
we used it on the roads and I wanted to
[1:04:39]
thank you many times for
[1:04:44]
so much.
[1:04:45]
>> Thank you to a lot of people our road
[1:04:47]
crew. I mean hard to get through all
[1:04:49]
those things over the past few years.
[1:04:51]
>> Mary Mary
[1:04:52]
>> Yes. Um I have a question about the dump
[1:04:55]
and the changing of how the dump was
[1:04:57]
going to be done. I was told by two
[1:05:00]
different people that changing the way
[1:05:02]
it's done. So, is there something we can
[1:05:05]
talk about that the difference of price,
[1:05:07]
difference in the bags, different?
[1:05:09]
>> You talk about the bags, you talk about
[1:05:10]
the actual construction.
[1:05:11]
>> No, the bags and the cost of the bag.
[1:05:14]
>> Can you repeat the question?
[1:05:17]
>> Yes.
[1:05:18]
>> The question was regarding what changes
[1:05:20]
are happening at the dunk regarding bags
[1:05:22]
and tokens and I'm going to defer to the
[1:05:25]
select board on that. Kate Alman.
[1:05:27]
>> So, uh we have ordered tokens which will
[1:05:29]
be instead of bags. So, you don't have
[1:05:32]
to use bags. You can use a cardboard
[1:05:34]
box. You can use paper bags from the
[1:05:36]
grocery store. You can uh you don't So,
[1:05:40]
we're not going to be selling bags
[1:05:41]
anymore. We still have some left and we
[1:05:43]
would hope that people would continue to
[1:05:45]
use them till till they're gone because
[1:05:47]
they were expensive, but we have
[1:05:49]
purchased tokens. We'll have green
[1:05:51]
tokens which will correspond to the same
[1:05:54]
size as the green bags and yellow
[1:05:57]
tokens. Uh all of the tokens are from
[1:05:59]
recycled materials uh which will
[1:06:02]
correspond to the size of the yellow
[1:06:04]
bags like 13 gallon and 30 gallon
[1:06:07]
roughly. And uh so uh we haven't set a
[1:06:12]
price yet.
[1:06:13]
We have to do that probably next month.
[1:06:16]
>> Yeah. Watch watch the agenda for select
[1:06:18]
board meetings if you want to
[1:06:19]
participate in that.
[1:06:20]
>> Eric, I'm sorry. What's your name?
[1:06:23]
>> Betsy Thompson.
[1:06:24]
>> Betsy Thomasson. She's she's next. And
[1:06:25]
Erica, you're next.
[1:06:29]
Oh, regarding the transfer station, uh I
[1:06:32]
was there in a very cold day a couple of
[1:06:34]
weeks ago and uh I was concerned about
[1:06:36]
Ernie's health up there in a cold, you
[1:06:41]
know, frigid environment is in in this
[1:06:44]
um reconfiguration or whatever of the
[1:06:47]
transfer station, will there be any warm
[1:06:50]
place or safe place for the attendant to
[1:06:53]
um to to stay for for 8 hours.
[1:06:58]
>> He had a heated shed.
[1:06:59]
>> He has he has to heat in the shed
[1:07:02]
>> in his his office.
[1:07:04]
>> You know, the um uh uh the the the used
[1:07:09]
exchange house is larger than Ernie's
[1:07:12]
shed,
[1:07:14]
you know. I mean, he you can turn around
[1:07:16]
in it and
[1:07:18]
>> I don't know. I just concerned about the
[1:07:20]
health and welfare of the people who
[1:07:24]
>> whatever happened with that. We we had
[1:07:25]
talked about increasing the size. Did
[1:07:27]
you guys Yeah.
[1:07:28]
>> I think the the cost of other
[1:07:30]
improvements, but um yeah, that's
[1:07:33]
something to consider for sure.
[1:07:36]
>> Erica,
[1:07:37]
>> I just wanted to go back to the bags for
[1:07:38]
a second. Could you bring a trash can
[1:07:42]
without bags and dump it into the thing?
[1:07:45]
>> Yes.
[1:07:45]
>> Oh, so it's it's actually potentially
[1:07:47]
could reduce the pl Is that the
[1:07:51]
idea? Yeah. and and at least one citizen
[1:07:54]
already does that.
[1:07:58]
» Um I have a couple of of things mostly
[1:08:01]
about all the activity that's been going
[1:08:04]
on in Jamaica. Uh Jamaica Community Arts
[1:08:07]
Council has been working really hard at
[1:08:09]
providing yoga in here and exercise and
[1:08:13]
we'll be working on more
[1:08:16]
activities in here. Uh there's the
[1:08:19]
library does movies and all kinds of
[1:08:23]
exciting things. Jamba is putting trails
[1:08:25]
into the uh Ball Mountain Dam area and
[1:08:29]
we're working on other trails.
[1:08:31]
Uh we have a calendar. Tom has a
[1:08:34]
community calendar
[1:08:35]
>> on the calendar on the town website.
[1:08:36]
Yes.
[1:08:37]
>> And and we're posting a lot of things on
[1:08:39]
the Jamaica Community Arts Council
[1:08:42]
website, Facebook pages. It's on the
[1:08:44]
Jamaica Facebook page. the Rossonville
[1:08:47]
Schoolhouse. We have a committee that's
[1:08:50]
working on that um to try to gain access
[1:08:56]
to have programs and things like that up
[1:08:58]
there. We're going to have an open house
[1:09:00]
probably in May. You'll see things about
[1:09:02]
that. The Jamaica Historical Foundation
[1:09:06]
uh will be open from miday till mid
[1:09:09]
October. So, pop in and see us. People
[1:09:12]
are donating photos. They're donating
[1:09:15]
memorabilia, articles, and things at a
[1:09:18]
couple times a week. We're getting
[1:09:19]
things. It's really quite wonderful. Uh,
[1:09:23]
Jamaica Day is Saturday, August 15th.
[1:09:27]
Uh, think about what you can put in the
[1:09:29]
parade or how you can help or just come
[1:09:31]
and enjoy the day. Um, I know there's a
[1:09:35]
lot of other things that I'm forgetting,
[1:09:37]
but um, we've got a lot of exciting
[1:09:40]
things happening. We have a lot of new
[1:09:42]
young folks that are moving into Jamaica
[1:09:45]
and this is sort of getting into the
[1:09:47]
whole education bit of it and I'm hoping
[1:09:49]
that Drew will talk in just a second and
[1:09:51]
maybe Dana
[1:09:53]
um
[1:09:56]
>> we need to talk about the school and and
[1:09:59]
what's happening which Drew will mention
[1:10:03]
but what do we need for our community
[1:10:05]
for the next 20 25 years and how do we
[1:10:09]
keep these young folks who have moved
[1:10:11]
into town
[1:10:13]
staying here and and what do they need?
[1:10:19]
» Andy Coin,
[1:10:20]
>> may I go back to a couple of things? I
[1:10:23]
>> You can go back. Yeah, go back to the
[1:10:24]
dump.
[1:10:25]
>> Am I going to be able to still use bags
[1:10:27]
if it be my uh
[1:10:29]
>> my choice?
[1:10:30]
>> There's no bait and switch here. Yes,
[1:10:31]
you'll be able to use the bags until
[1:10:32]
your bags are gone. That's
[1:10:34]
>> like uh for demo, you can use contractor
[1:10:37]
bags. It's a whole different thing that
[1:10:39]
>> that's different. That's what tok that's
[1:10:40]
that the other tokens which we already
[1:10:43]
currently
[1:10:44]
>> I understand that. Um so back to the
[1:10:48]
question about u the uh what was that
[1:10:52]
called Greg the $600,000
[1:10:57]
» debris removal.
[1:10:59]
I mean maybe Tom can uh comment on this
[1:11:02]
but I've seen some pretty high water hit
[1:11:04]
that. I mean, not the highest, but it
[1:11:08]
certainly seemed to handle it a lot
[1:11:10]
better,
[1:11:11]
>> especially on his part. I
[1:11:12]
>> I rest much easier. I will say that the the the dredging or the taking of
[1:11:17]
the debris out of of the brook near my
[1:11:19]
home is it's it's transformative. I
[1:11:23]
mean, the river would always raise up
[1:11:25]
close to the road when it when it was
[1:11:28]
flood stages and when the rain and such.
[1:11:30]
And since then, it hasn't it hasn't got
[1:11:32]
it hasn't ever gotten higher. and it
[1:11:34]
does seem to fan out better. I know it's
[1:11:36]
very concerning, but it's much better
[1:11:39]
than it did. And I just want to thank
[1:11:42]
Greg, our previous uh assistant town
[1:11:44]
administrator and the board for really
[1:11:48]
doing every single thing that the powers
[1:11:52]
that be were asking asking them to do
[1:11:55]
and getting that last funding back was
[1:11:59]
sort of not really rolling the dice, but
[1:12:01]
it was a little nerve-wracking.
[1:12:03]
But it it what we found is all better
[1:12:05]
for
[1:12:06]
>> Thank you.
[1:12:07]
>> A huge improvement.
[1:12:09]
>> I just have a really quick question.
[1:12:11]
>> Yes, CJ. That's fine.
[1:12:12]
>> So, back to the to the tokens. Do you
[1:12:14]
have a timing for us? Can you tell us
[1:12:16]
the timing?
[1:12:18]
>> They've been ordered and they said it
[1:12:20]
only takes one to two weeks to get here.
[1:12:22]
So, they should be here soon. Uh again,
[1:12:25]
we are hoping that people will continue
[1:12:26]
to use the bags because we don't want
[1:12:28]
them just to sit there. um they do
[1:12:30]
degrade over time and and we spent money
[1:12:33]
on them, but yeah, it will be very soon
[1:12:35]
that you um I I'm thinking we'll have a
[1:12:37]
grace period where you could use either.
[1:12:39]
We haven't really decided for sure.
[1:12:41]
>> And you buy them at the same place.
[1:12:43]
>> Yes.
[1:12:44]
>> Okay.
[1:12:45]
>> So, this is very soon.
[1:12:46]
>> Yes.
[1:12:47]
>> Okay.
[1:12:47]
>> Very soon. And and again, we probably
[1:12:49]
have four four or five boxes of the
[1:12:51]
yellow bags left. It's not a ton. And I
[1:12:53]
know Forest will come in for for West
[1:12:55]
River provisions and buy 20 or 30 boxes.
[1:12:58]
And I think in a box is 40. So I mean in
[1:13:00]
a couple of weeks we're going to be
[1:13:01]
pretty much out of the yellow bags at
[1:13:03]
the town office
[1:13:04]
>> and then at that point
[1:13:06]
>> hopefully we'll start the transition
[1:13:07]
then. That's my that's my goal as town
[1:13:09]
clerk.
[1:13:10]
>> Yes.
[1:13:11]
>> And I just wanted to carry on. You said
[1:13:13]
you're not sure of the cost, meaning
[1:13:16]
you're considering raising the price of
[1:13:18]
each level.
[1:13:19]
>> We have decided on the price.
[1:13:22]
>> Um I did also want to mention that
[1:13:24]
construction bags will not be allowed.
[1:13:26]
They don't work well in the in the
[1:13:28]
compactor. So, you're not allowed to use
[1:13:31]
construction bags in the reg for the
[1:13:33]
regular household trash. They have to go
[1:13:35]
into CN.
[1:13:36]
>> Can Here's a question for you, though.
[1:13:38]
Do you take if you bring it in a
[1:13:40]
construction bag, can you just dump it
[1:13:42]
out and take the bag back?
[1:13:45]
>> Patty in the back.
[1:13:48]
>> Okay. Can we Can we stick to the dumping
[1:13:50]
for now? As people winding this down,
[1:13:52]
are we are the questions answered? Jean
[1:13:57]
What date is the select? Did you have
[1:13:59]
any discussion?
[1:13:59]
>> Oh, you did. I'm sorry. I didn't know.
[1:14:00]
I'm sorry. Too much going.
[1:14:05]
» What date is the select board going to
[1:14:07]
list the topic of the bags and
[1:14:11]
>> Watch out for the agenda. It's published
[1:14:12]
every Thursday.
[1:14:16]
The agenda is published on the website
[1:14:18]
and at the at various locations around
[1:14:20]
town every Thursday prior to the Monday
[1:14:23]
select board meeting. So the agendas are
[1:14:25]
online and they're also at the post
[1:14:27]
office at West River Provisions and at
[1:14:29]
the town office.
[1:14:30]
>> So it's not being
[1:14:33]
>> the the the agendas for the meetings are
[1:14:35]
generally uh I receive those as town
[1:14:37]
clerk on the Thursday before the
[1:14:38]
meeting. So those Jessica creates those
[1:14:43]
usually that week before the meeting.
[1:14:45]
Yeah, that's generally how it works. Oh,
[1:14:47]
sorry, Patty. Let Patty, I'm sorry I cut
[1:14:49]
you off, Patty. Go ahead.
[1:14:50]
>> I have lived uh before in a place that
[1:14:54]
has pay as you go dumping and recycling.
[1:15:00]
And um I think it's factual that as you
[1:15:04]
increase the price, you price out
[1:15:06]
people's ability to use that service.
[1:15:10]
And I'm concerned about that, that
[1:15:12]
people will not be able to afford to
[1:15:14]
bring their garbage to the dump and dump
[1:15:17]
the way we want them to. And so I I
[1:15:21]
would love for us to look into some kind
[1:15:24]
of discount support grant program for
[1:15:28]
people who meet some criteria um to help
[1:15:32]
support them in using this facility
[1:15:35]
because um what happens when people
[1:15:37]
can't afford to dump is they dump
[1:15:39]
wherever they think they're not going to
[1:15:40]
get caught dumping and it increases some
[1:15:43]
of the cost for the community in the
[1:15:46]
form of garbage pickup and just
[1:15:49]
unsightliness and unwanted rodents and
[1:15:52]
so forth. So, I I would love to see us
[1:15:55]
um find a way to support people who may
[1:15:58]
be priced out of the new um structure.
[1:16:03]
>> I second that.
[1:16:05]
>> Thank you guys. Thanks for the comments.
[1:16:06]
Um Chris, did you have something?
[1:16:08]
>> Yes. I'd like to go back to uh what
[1:16:11]
Karen was talking about just in
[1:16:14]
relationship to Jamaica date. I'd like
[1:16:17]
to ask anybody in this hall if they
[1:16:21]
would be part of our Jamaica Day
[1:16:24]
preparations. Seems like there's like
[1:16:27]
just four of us. Four women are the only
[1:16:30]
ones right now with the exception of
[1:16:32]
Craig, Craig, Jolly, and that that seem
[1:16:36]
to be doing any of the work.
[1:16:40]
So, I would love anybody who would like
[1:16:42]
to get involved to get in touch with
[1:16:44]
Karen, please. And thank you, Kristen.
[1:16:47]
>> I have a question about the uh compost
[1:16:50]
bins, please. Um you you ask us to
[1:16:54]
compost and I do because I can't do it
[1:16:57]
at home because of the bears and um but
[1:17:01]
we don't get to when it's I I I know
[1:17:04]
that they take it and that that they
[1:17:07]
actually do compost. It's you get nice
[1:17:09]
dirt and why can't we go someplace to to
[1:17:14]
get some of that?
[1:17:16]
>> Yeah. Uh Winters All the Waste uh down
[1:17:19]
in Brattleboro sells it and they have a
[1:17:21]
huge operation. They've done a whole lot
[1:17:23]
of work on the composting and they do
[1:17:26]
sell it down there.
[1:17:27]
>> Oh, they do?
[1:17:27]
>> Yes.
[1:17:28]
>> Okay. Is it very expensive?
[1:17:30]
>> I I don't actually know.
[1:17:31]
>> Okay. Um,
[1:17:35]
>> Claire,
[1:17:36]
>> this is I I understand it's not it's not
[1:17:39]
a compost question, so I don't know if
[1:17:41]
anybody wants to hear because it looks
[1:17:43]
like that's very popular. Um, I have a
[1:17:46]
question for the board. Um, when the
[1:17:49]
people, I don't know their names, but
[1:17:51]
anyhow, um, come down street with the
[1:17:53]
new poles all the way to the state park,
[1:17:56]
what's your plan for traffic when it's
[1:17:58]
summertime? because I I was I was
[1:18:01]
speaking to one of the gentlemen that's
[1:18:02]
in charge of it and he said he had
[1:18:05]
nothing from the board that said that
[1:18:07]
there was going to be campers and
[1:18:10]
whatever. I said, you know, there's
[1:18:11]
going to be a traffic problem. He said
[1:18:13]
that won't work.
[1:18:14]
>> Have you discussed this with them?
[1:18:18]
>> I'm not sure because we do GMP comes to
[1:18:21]
meetings
[1:18:23]
though all the way down to the state,
[1:18:25]
>> right?
[1:18:26]
>> And they're going to do it this summer,
[1:18:27]
>> right? So, at the same time, every
[1:18:31]
camper that comes through, the big
[1:18:32]
campers that come through are going to
[1:18:34]
use the same road. And when I spoke to
[1:18:36]
him about it and asked him how that's
[1:18:38]
going to work, he said
[1:18:41]
he had no idea.
[1:18:43]
>> And this is this is
[1:18:45]
from Pennsylvania, right? Normally they
[1:18:47]
come to the board, they tell us what
[1:18:49]
their plan is, they say the dates and
[1:18:51]
times. We work with them to publish
[1:18:54]
those, particularly in the area that
[1:18:57]
you're talking about, which is adjacent
[1:18:58]
to the park because some folks on the
[1:19:01]
other side of the existing bridge could
[1:19:04]
get can get stranded. So they all have
[1:19:06]
to be notified, that group gets notified
[1:19:08]
separately. And then in terms of any
[1:19:12]
time that the road is going to be
[1:19:13]
obstructed or partly obstructed, it's
[1:19:16]
not that the town itself does not
[1:19:18]
actually manage that traffic. GMP does,
[1:19:21]
but they do tell us that they're going
[1:19:22]
to be going down to one lane, et
[1:19:27]
isue in the past.
[1:19:28]
>> We had the general meeting where they
[1:19:29]
said what the project was. They told us
[1:19:31]
about the projects at the at the
[1:19:32]
meeting,
[1:19:33]
>> right? But then they also
[1:19:34]
>> but we didn't get the specifics of it
[1:19:36]
>> exactly when they're when they're
[1:19:38]
coming, what the hours are, the days,
[1:19:40]
and then they put up the flaggers, etc.
[1:19:43]
So, I'm not sure. It might be helpful
[1:19:45]
just to know who you spoke to cuz that's
[1:19:47]
not consistent with what
[1:19:48]
>> several several people
[1:19:53]
that
[1:19:55]
Yeah, that's the person that's in charge
[1:19:58]
from I think he's in Pennsylvania or
[1:19:59]
something. Anyhow, and when I mentioned
[1:20:02]
that state park is very very busy in the
[1:20:05]
summer and there would be big campers
[1:20:06]
going through, he said this is not going
[1:20:08]
to work because we can't take things
[1:20:10]
down. So he asked me asked me if there
[1:20:12]
was another way around and I said yes
[1:20:14]
but you need to speak to the select
[1:20:16]
board. So maybe there needs to be you
[1:20:18]
have the need to person that came to
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you.
[1:20:20]
>> I have his name. I can I can contact him
[1:20:23]
and find out. I'll get more information
[1:20:24]
from him. Thank you, Clara. Because
[1:20:26]
yeah, because we we can figure that out
[1:20:27]
then
[1:20:27]
>> because it's going to go around
[1:20:31]
It's it's a tough turn though.
[1:20:33]
>> People need to know where the traffic
[1:20:34]
from the state park is going to come
[1:20:36]
from.
[1:20:38]
>> I'm just saying it's something that
[1:20:42]
>> Okay, I would look into that.
[1:20:45]
>> It's concl
[1:20:49]
» I'm sorry. Who? Oh, I'm sorry. John.
[1:20:53]
>> My name is John Began and I would like
[1:20:56]
the town to consider supporting these
[1:20:58]
two resolutions.
[1:21:01]
Um, voters of Jamaica, Vermont condemn
[1:21:04]
the current activities of ICE operatives
[1:21:08]
and call on the US Congress to defund
[1:21:11]
and abolish the agency as it now exists.
[1:21:16]
And the second one is the voters of
[1:21:18]
Jamaica, Vermont
[1:21:20]
condemn the war against Iran and call on
[1:21:24]
Congress to invoke the War Powers Act
[1:21:27]
and that the president bring our troops
[1:21:30]
home now.
[1:21:32]
>> Unfortunately, it's not being warned
[1:21:35]
>> as articles. We can't vote on those that
[1:21:37]
are any any binding
[1:21:39]
>> resolution. You have to warn articles
[1:21:42]
such as those beforehand. Isn't there a
[1:21:44]
way to do that? We can official
[1:21:47]
>> We can unofficially do it, but it's not
[1:21:48]
I mean
[1:21:49]
>> opinions.
[1:21:50]
>> We can do an opinion that we we feel
[1:21:51]
that but it's not anything binding,
[1:21:53]
>> right?
[1:21:54]
>> Because you need to read them out
[1:21:57]
separately like we'd have because it's
[1:21:58]
two separate articles.
[1:22:01]
>> I mean I I the
[1:22:03]
>> again it's just a consensus of the town
[1:22:04]
that we agree with this. It's not
[1:22:06]
something that's going to be binding or
[1:22:07]
anything like that.
[1:22:08]
>> Right. Let's do it.
[1:22:09]
>> Did you want to do it again and do the
[1:22:12]
first one
[1:22:13]
>> and then see if there's a second?
[1:22:15]
>> Read.
[1:22:15]
>> Yeah. Read the first one. Read the first
[1:22:17]
one by itself. Yeah.
[1:22:18]
>> The voters of Jamaica, Vermont
[1:22:21]
current activities
[1:22:23]
of ICE operatives and call on the US
[1:22:25]
Congress to defund and abolish the
[1:22:28]
agency as it now exists.
[1:22:31]
>> Second.
[1:22:32]
>> Okay.
[1:22:33]
Second.
[1:22:34]
>> Yep. Second. Sec. It's been seconded.
[1:22:37]
>> Does the town
[1:22:38]
Want to all in favor of that?
[1:22:42]
>> I
[1:22:44]
against
[1:22:45]
>> no.
[1:22:46]
>> Couple of nays.
[1:22:48]
>> Second.
[1:22:49]
>> Then read the second one.
[1:22:52]
>> Voters of Jamaica
[1:22:54]
condemn the war against Iran and call on
[1:22:58]
Congress to invoke the War of Powers Act
[1:23:01]
and that the president bring our troops
[1:23:04]
home.
[1:23:06]
I second.
[1:23:08]
>> Second.
[1:23:09]
>> Any discussion?
[1:23:12]
>> Close the question. All in favor?
[1:23:15]
>> All against?
[1:23:16]
>> No.
[1:23:18]
>> Eyes have it.
[1:23:20]
>> Okay. Thank you, John.
[1:23:21]
>> Thank you.
[1:23:22]
>> Heather.
[1:23:23]
>> Um, any pictures to the state park that
[1:23:26]
you brought up? There is a meeting
[1:23:27]
tomorrow
[1:23:29]
>> to discuss what's happening uh
[1:23:31]
development plans for Pikes Falls,
[1:23:34]
>> Hamilton Falls.
[1:23:35]
>> Hamilton's fall, excuse me. Thank you.
[1:23:37]
It's at 6 p.m. For some reason, it's in
[1:23:41]
town.
[1:23:42]
>> It's really important. And Amos should
[1:23:44]
speak on that. Yeah,
[1:23:47]
>> we've been in contact with the state and
[1:23:49]
they have told us that they do not have
[1:23:51]
a plan for
[1:23:53]
>> this meeting tomorrow night in town is
[1:23:55]
about the long-term plan for the state
[1:23:57]
park not including Hamilton Falls. They
[1:24:00]
say
[1:24:02]
>> they didn't first announce it as being
[1:24:06]
about Hamilton Falls and then later said
[1:24:09]
what you're saying?
[1:24:12]
I can't keep track but I know um my wife
[1:24:15]
Alana and also my sister-in-law Yan have
[1:24:18]
been in touch with them and they have
[1:24:21]
said more than once this is not about
[1:24:24]
policy or say anything about that they
[1:24:26]
don't have a plan about policy this is
[1:24:28]
about
[1:24:32]
» thank you there there is a notice in the
[1:24:35]
front window the little box outside that
[1:24:38]
describes the meeting time and location
[1:24:41]
and a lot of us are car pooling. If
[1:24:43]
anyone needs a ride, I'd be happy to
[1:24:46]
pick you up.
[1:24:46]
>> Okay, thank you.
[1:24:49]
>> Any other items to bring up? Meline?
[1:24:52]
>> Um, I just wanted to say a few things
[1:24:54]
for the library. I'm Maline. I'm the um
[1:24:57]
librarian. Um, as part of the budget
[1:24:59]
that we all passed today, the library
[1:25:01]
will be expanding hours and we hope to
[1:25:04]
be open a little bit earlier in the
[1:25:06]
mornings and more consistently hopefully
[1:25:09]
every day for at least a couple hours.
[1:25:12]
So, keep a lookout for that. And also,
[1:25:15]
this summer we will have three bicycles
[1:25:18]
able to be rented um with your library
[1:25:21]
card for free.
[1:25:28]
So, uh, just make sure to keep an eye on
[1:25:30]
um the website jamaabbt library.org or
[1:25:34]
pop by the library anytime. I'll be
[1:25:37]
there.
[1:25:38]
>> Thank you.
[1:25:45]
» Oh, sure. Um, I'm I'm in the midst of
[1:25:49]
applying for a very large grant for the
[1:25:52]
library through the Vermont Department
[1:25:54]
of Libraries, um, all the way up to
[1:25:56]
$400,000. But it it's to insulate the
[1:26:00]
library um, to hopefully make it so we
[1:26:03]
can use the downstairs of the library
[1:26:06]
um, and do a new HVAC and improve the
[1:26:09]
accessibility of the building. So, like
[1:26:11]
making sure that the ramps are safe and
[1:26:13]
the doors have automatic openers. um and
[1:26:16]
things like that. So, it can be
[1:26:18]
available and used for years and years
[1:26:20]
to come and it won't just kind of go to
[1:26:23]
this repair.
[1:26:23]
>> Great. Thank you so much.
[1:26:28]
» I've got a question for road
[1:26:30]
commissioner/
[1:26:32]
highway department. Um on the fire
[1:26:34]
department, we've got a uh returning
[1:26:38]
call on Pikes Falls Road. been six times
[1:26:41]
somebody's gone over the bridge at the
[1:26:43]
first bridge on Plex Falls. Coming down
[1:26:46]
from Stratton, their GPS reroutes and it
[1:26:48]
saves them three minutes going home to
[1:26:51]
91. They don't see the turn that it's a
[1:26:54]
90° turn and instead of going down the
[1:26:56]
driveway, they try to make the turn,
[1:26:58]
jump over the guardrail that's been hit
[1:27:00]
six times and spraying flat and land in
[1:27:02]
the river. Um, we get called out. It's a
[1:27:05]
waste of our time's resources to go deal
[1:27:07]
with that. What is is there any plan to
[1:27:10]
fix that guard rail and increase
[1:27:12]
visibility on signage
[1:27:13]
>> for that corner coming down that strap?
[1:27:17]
>> That is an excellent point. Um
[1:27:20]
>> there's not specific I mean a very very
[1:27:22]
good point. I mean there's not specific
[1:27:24]
plans for that. We could easily enough
[1:27:26]
go put up a new sign. I can probably
[1:27:28]
without being surprised to anybody. It's
[1:27:31]
probably won't make a difference,
[1:27:32]
>> right? Um, but we can easily put up a
[1:27:34]
new sign and and um take a look at the
[1:27:37]
guardrail again, you know, once the snow
[1:27:39]
bank's nothing but I know it's been beat
[1:27:40]
up.
[1:27:41]
>> There used to be some kind of light
[1:27:43]
flashing or strobing and
[1:27:45]
>> like I said, the guard rail just
[1:27:46]
destroyed at this point. People are
[1:27:47]
going to keep ramping off of this.
[1:27:49]
>> Okay,
[1:27:50]
>> thank you for those
[1:27:54]
» um just a reminder that um dog licenses
[1:27:58]
are due April 1st and that's not a town
[1:28:01]
thing. It's actually a state law. Um, so
[1:28:03]
if you see dog owners, remind them that
[1:28:05]
they need to get their dogs licensed.
[1:28:07]
Um, and they can do that at the town
[1:28:09]
hall.
[1:28:10]
>> Town office.
[1:28:10]
>> Oh, town office. Excuse me.
[1:28:12]
>> Karen, good.
[1:28:12]
>> I would like a discussion on education.
[1:28:15]
>> Yeah. Can I just remind everybody first
[1:28:17]
of all that um the meeting has been
[1:28:20]
warned for April 8th. We were asked by
[1:28:24]
um the school board, the uh West River
[1:28:26]
Unified Education District to um vote as
[1:28:30]
a town whether to close the school. And
[1:28:34]
we warned a second article which is that
[1:28:37]
if in fact the town does vote to close
[1:28:41]
the school, do we as citizens um agree
[1:28:45]
that we should buy that property back
[1:28:47]
from the school district for a dollar?
[1:28:50]
Um, we also warned an information
[1:28:52]
session for March 31st. It's the Tuesday
[1:28:55]
before the April 8th um, election. The
[1:28:59]
April 8th election is Australian ballot.
[1:29:01]
It's not here on the floor like we do
[1:29:03]
town meeting. Um, it's uh, voting is
[1:29:06]
open. We What did we change it? 9:00
[1:29:08]
a.m. till
[1:29:09]
>> it's that's 9 to 7.
[1:29:10]
>> 9 till 7. Yep.
[1:29:12]
>> Um, and we can do we can do absentee
[1:29:15]
ballots too, right? You can do absentee
[1:29:16]
ballots on that as well.
[1:29:18]
>> That's a regular election. That's a
[1:29:19]
regular
[1:29:21]
>> um and the information session is also
[1:29:24]
at the town office. I do encourage
[1:29:26]
people to come. There's a subcommittee
[1:29:28]
of the select board um right now that's
[1:29:31]
in the process of preparing um concepts.
[1:29:35]
I mean maybe can I can I leave that to
[1:29:36]
you Robert? Do you want to just talk
[1:29:38]
about the committee?
[1:29:39]
>> Yeah. So, we have a subcommittee
[1:29:40]
starting this Thursday evening run by
[1:29:42]
Jason, myself and a number of people
[1:29:44]
from the community who are looking at um
[1:29:47]
potential uses for the Jamaica Village
[1:29:49]
School property if the town votes to
[1:29:52]
close the school. Um it's more of a
[1:29:54]
preparation. We're not talking about
[1:29:57]
during this committee if we should or if
[1:29:58]
we should not close the school. It's an
[1:30:00]
if and type of scenario. So, we are just
[1:30:04]
reaching out to community members. If
[1:30:06]
anybody would like to join us, you can
[1:30:07]
definitely reach out to myself or Jason.
[1:30:09]
Um, we're having our first meeting this
[1:30:11]
Thursday, 7:00 at the Jamaica Village
[1:30:14]
School. And anybody with an idea is
[1:30:16]
welcome. More the marrier. I think the
[1:30:18]
more ideas we get, the better off we're
[1:30:20]
going to be.
[1:30:21]
>> What we heard from a lot of people was
[1:30:23]
how do we possibly as a as as a group of
[1:30:26]
citizens vote whether to take back the
[1:30:28]
school if there's not if there hasn't
[1:30:30]
even been a discussion yet of what that
[1:30:33]
what the property might be used for. So
[1:30:36]
yeah, so that's that's what the
[1:30:38]
committee is going to be doing and
[1:30:40]
that's what the information session is
[1:30:42]
about for us as a town to to contemplate
[1:30:44]
that.
[1:30:45]
>> Jessica,
[1:30:46]
>> oh, hold on. No, no, sorry. Kia, you're
[1:30:49]
next.
[1:30:49]
>> Um, sorry. Could you just repeat when
[1:30:52]
that March 31st info session will be?
[1:30:55]
What time?
[1:30:55]
>> It's 7 o'clock at the town offices.
[1:30:58]
>> Okay. Yes,
[1:31:00]
>> Jean again.
[1:31:02]
At the select board meeting that I did
[1:31:04]
attend, it was asked what the value of
[1:31:07]
the school was to the listister and it
[1:31:09]
hasn't been done. Is there any new
[1:31:11]
action on the value of the school before
[1:31:13]
we have this discussion about what to do
[1:31:16]
if the town votes to close the school?
[1:31:18]
>> It has been done.
[1:31:23]
>> So, is there a value now? Thank you.
[1:31:26]
>> There is a value. I don't remember
[1:31:28]
exactly what it is. We you'd have to
[1:31:30]
come into the lister's office and ask
[1:31:32]
for the value. We don't memorize them.
[1:31:36]
>> So she they're saying you could come
[1:31:37]
into the lister's office. They're tomorrow 10 to 3 and they they
[1:31:41]
can give you that number.
[1:31:45]
» Other topics? Anything else? Olivia, did
[1:31:47]
you have something you wanted to say?
[1:31:48]
I'm sorry.
[1:31:49]
>> No, I was asking what time you can see
[1:31:50]
what time the meeting was, but
[1:31:52]
>> Oh,
[1:31:53]
>> seven. Seven. Okay. Sorry.
[1:31:58]
» Anybody else? something. Yeah.
[1:32:00]
>> What is the status of a town wastewater
[1:32:02]
project?
[1:32:04]
>> Great question.
[1:32:05]
>> What's what ask us what what is the
[1:32:08]
status of the wastewater uh project in
[1:32:10]
town?
[1:32:14]
» Well, pretty much Chrissy, can you talk
[1:32:17]
a little bit? Thank you.
[1:32:19]
>> Um I'm the engineer for the project and
[1:32:24]
for London.
[1:32:26]
Um the legendary got a bunch of money
[1:32:29]
uh like three or four years ago. Um that
[1:32:33]
was our money and unfortunately it was
[1:32:36]
all given out in one round. It was
[1:32:38]
supposed to be given out two rounds and we weren't ready for the first round
[1:32:41]
so we were little the second round but
[1:32:44]
then they gave it all out the first
[1:32:45]
round. Um I explained to the state they
[1:32:49]
um so we have the um we have the study
[1:32:55]
done and we we have we have to do a
[1:32:58]
final presentation still um and so
[1:33:01]
actually Jessica and I just talked about
[1:33:03]
that the other day um about trying to
[1:33:05]
schedule um the final presentation. We
[1:33:08]
do have some extra money left over from
[1:33:11]
the funding we already got, which is
[1:33:13]
100% grant. Um, and so I'm going to be
[1:33:17]
talking to the state about um the
[1:33:20]
possibility of taking that money and
[1:33:22]
turning it around to use it um on
[1:33:25]
getting like the first part of the
[1:33:27]
design done just to get as much done as
[1:33:29]
we can with the money we have. Um, and
[1:33:33]
then moving forward there there are some
[1:33:35]
funding opportunities to continue
[1:33:37]
design. It's not 100% grant though. Um,
[1:33:40]
so that's something that um I'm going to
[1:33:42]
talk to Jessica about and I'm sure the
[1:33:43]
select board will will be talking about
[1:33:45]
it then. Um, so keep an eye out. There
[1:33:48]
will be a meeting coming up to just
[1:33:50]
finish out the study part of it. Um, and
[1:33:54]
uh, and then that'll be the final
[1:33:56]
meeting for the study and then hopefully
[1:33:57]
we can move to some design. enough. So,
[1:34:00]
correct me if I'm saying anything wrong.
[1:34:02]
So, at that point, right, because there
[1:34:04]
aren't federally funded monies that are
[1:34:07]
available for us to to attempt to
[1:34:09]
capture, and it doesn't seem likely, at
[1:34:12]
least with the current federal
[1:34:13]
administration, that more funds are
[1:34:15]
going to be coming into states like
[1:34:16]
Vermont for these kinds of projects. we
[1:34:19]
have the option to either sit and wait
[1:34:22]
until maybe a further a future
[1:34:24]
administration
[1:34:26]
um pushing out some funds or we can
[1:34:29]
always as a town opt for potentially you
[1:34:32]
know there are different options.
[1:34:34]
There's like the lowest cost option and
[1:34:36]
the highest cost option. So we can as a
[1:34:39]
town potentially agree that we want to
[1:34:42]
go with one of those options and to seek
[1:34:44]
a bond. So we could finance it the same
[1:34:47]
way the town financed the current town
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garage which is nearly actually that
[1:34:52]
bond is nearly paid off and that go so
[1:34:55]
there are other ways that we could
[1:34:57]
undertake that project other than
[1:34:59]
federal funds but it would mean the town
[1:35:02]
is borrowing the money.
[1:35:04]
>> That that is correct. Um it the ARPA
[1:35:07]
money is is
[1:35:10]
that kind of money comes around once
[1:35:12]
every
[1:35:14]
10 to 15 years. The last time was the
[1:35:16]
era money which was back to 2008. So we
[1:35:19]
had era money in 2008. We had ARC money
[1:35:21]
in 22.
[1:35:24]
>> So that's the time frame we're looking.
[1:35:26]
It's usually triggered by some sort of
[1:35:28]
major thing. the pandemic. Um I think we
[1:35:31]
had a
[1:35:34]
um we had this economic downturn,
[1:35:35]
>> right?
[1:35:36]
>> Um so we can't we we can wait for that
[1:35:40]
money. It could be another 15 plus
[1:35:42]
years.
[1:35:43]
>> Um but the thing is that when that big
[1:35:46]
pot of money comes out because of some
[1:35:48]
event that happens, the projects that
[1:35:51]
get it are the projects that are ready
[1:35:52]
for it. And so it's important for us to
[1:35:55]
keep moving forward as much as possible
[1:35:58]
and to put some sort of design on the
[1:36:01]
shelf so that we're ready when that
[1:36:02]
money does come. So it it's it's a
[1:36:05]
long-term schedule.
[1:36:12]
>> Yes.
[1:36:13]
>> Yeah. That's why we're finishing it
[1:36:16]
>> or as much as we have money for
[1:36:20]
this. to get the town on on water and
[1:36:25]
septic, not what they're doing now, so
[1:36:27]
they can expand. Is that
[1:36:29]
>> I believe the plan was to get a septic,
[1:36:32]
>> not water. So people would still have
[1:36:34]
wells in town, but the septic would be a
[1:36:36]
shared septic and that takes away all
[1:36:38]
the regulations of the 100 ft distance
[1:36:40]
between your well and your other. So
[1:36:41]
that that's that's what we're trying to
[1:36:43]
do is you take out that one piece and
[1:36:45]
that frees up people to expand capacity
[1:36:47]
in restaurants or the store, whatever
[1:36:49]
they want to do. That's correct.
[1:36:50]
>> That's my understanding.
[1:36:51]
>> Thank you.
[1:36:53]
>> Yes.
[1:36:53]
Peter. Um, so as I understand it,
[1:36:57]
this project is the whole town is going
[1:36:59]
to pay or contribute for this whole
[1:37:01]
project that's going to benefit a dozen
[1:37:04]
locations in the downtown area.
[1:37:06]
>> And so we're going to be you're asking
[1:37:08]
the town everybody in town to pay for
[1:37:10]
the 12 people or so or dozen properties
[1:37:13]
in downtown.
[1:37:14]
Well, we're not asking anybody anything
[1:37:16]
because there are no funds that we're
[1:37:18]
going for. The the design includes
[1:37:21]
funding sources and uh it would Yeah,
[1:37:25]
it's it's uh like all municipalities in
[1:37:28]
the state of Vermont where there's uh
[1:37:33]
» he still he still has the floor.
[1:37:35]
>> So, is there any other restriction? And
[1:37:37]
I know in a nearby town, a neighboring
[1:37:39]
town, there's a a water water department
[1:37:43]
company that was a private consortium
[1:37:46]
between the land owners and that solved
[1:37:50]
their problem. Is there anything
[1:37:51]
preventing this town from doing that
[1:37:54]
same thing, the land owners here from
[1:37:55]
joining together and creating that kind
[1:37:57]
of an opportunity that that way the cost
[1:38:00]
isn't shared by the entire town for the
[1:38:02]
benefit of just the people in the
[1:38:04]
downtown area?
[1:38:06]
I don't do you know what that is,
[1:38:08]
Chrissy? I'm not familiar with
[1:38:10]
>> So, I'm not familiar with with anything
[1:38:12]
private, but there there's some options
[1:38:15]
the town has. So, the town can there
[1:38:17]
there's funding available. There's there
[1:38:19]
are loans available. Um the town could
[1:38:22]
choose to take out a loan to finish
[1:38:25]
design and and do construction. Um that
[1:38:29]
loan then has to be paid back. So the
[1:38:33]
town can choose that everybody in town,
[1:38:36]
every taxpayer in town has to pay that
[1:38:38]
loan back through your through your town
[1:38:40]
taxes or they can apply that loan to the
[1:38:44]
users of the system only and the users
[1:38:47]
pay it back. Um so most towns, you know,
[1:38:52]
you go to let's say Manchester and they
[1:38:55]
take out a loan to fix a sewer main the
[1:38:59]
users of the sewer system pay for that.
[1:39:01]
The whole town does not pay for that.
[1:39:02]
just users pay for that. London with
[1:39:06]
their new wastewater system that's going
[1:39:08]
to be constructed. Um they have uh
[1:39:12]
elected to have the entire town pay for
[1:39:16]
the loan cost and the users pay the
[1:39:19]
operation maintenance of the system. Um
[1:39:22]
so each town can do it differently.
[1:39:24]
>> Um and and Jamaica can choose to do it
[1:39:26]
however you want.
[1:39:28]
>> Thank you.
[1:39:29]
>> But those decisions haven't been made
[1:39:30]
yet. who now
[1:39:35]
» right before I I'm gonna Anyone else
[1:39:37]
have anything to say before we go into
[1:39:38]
the school discussion?
[1:39:41]
>> Unrelated thing to say.
[1:39:43]
>> I was going to say something to his town
[1:39:44]
clerk. I just want to let everybody know
[1:39:45]
that the town office hours have
[1:39:47]
increased. I know you said till 4:00.
[1:39:49]
The office is now open 7:30 a.m. till
[1:39:52]
4:30 p.m. Monday through Thursday. So,
[1:39:54]
we're still closed on Fridays, but it
[1:39:56]
does give people time before they go to
[1:39:58]
work and possibly getting off work a
[1:40:00]
little early and coming in. I know that
[1:40:01]
there was 9 to4 previously. So, we have
[1:40:03]
expanded that significantly since I've
[1:40:05]
become town clerk. So, just so everybody
[1:40:06]
knows that, coming in to say hello. We'd
[1:40:08]
always like to have visitors,
[1:40:10]
>> Erica. And then we're going to go to the
[1:40:11]
school discussion.
[1:40:11]
>> Okay. I have a fun thing to announce.
[1:40:15]
>> On March 15th at 300 p.m. there is going
[1:40:20]
to be a fantastic event in this town
[1:40:22]
hall. Oh. Um, we have a conflict with
[1:40:25]
that. We need to talk about that.
[1:40:27]
>> Sorry.
[1:40:30]
I I don't want to shut you down,
[1:40:32]
but we we need to we need to talk about
[1:40:34]
that
[1:40:34]
>> secretly. Yeah. Ask her secret.
[1:40:43]
» Sorry. But yeah, Drew, you want to go
[1:40:45]
Drew and Dana, please talk about the
[1:40:47]
schools? Um,
[1:40:50]
so Jay and I represent the town of
[1:40:51]
Jamaica as part of the West River
[1:40:53]
Education District. So that is the other
[1:40:55]
part of your tax bill, the much larger
[1:40:57]
chunk of your tax bill,
[1:40:58]
>> more expensive.
[1:40:59]
>> Um,
[1:41:00]
>> and in fact, the biggest chunk that you
[1:41:03]
don't control of your tax bill.
[1:41:05]
>> And I wanted to take a moment to explain
[1:41:07]
where we're at right now with uh
[1:41:10]
education. And if you want to come to
[1:41:13]
schoolboard meetings, we love
[1:41:14]
attendance. Um so please come and join
[1:41:18]
us. So just to bring everybody uh into
[1:41:21]
the same place. Um over the years um
[1:41:25]
Jamaica has decided to do certain
[1:41:28]
things. So if we go way back before I
[1:41:30]
was born um Jamaica uh became one of the
[1:41:34]
Leon and Grey towns. So we joined a
[1:41:38]
union school district um which was Leon
[1:41:40]
and Gray. So we had a local school board
[1:41:42]
and then we had a little Grady school
[1:41:44]
board um that took care of our high
[1:41:46]
school kids. So for a long time our we
[1:41:49]
had two different boards, two different
[1:41:50]
budgets. They got merged and that's what
[1:41:52]
you paid your taxes on before that to
[1:41:54]
make it care of all of your own kids.
[1:41:57]
Fast forward a few years um and we
[1:42:00]
through a whole bunch of legislative
[1:42:02]
action we had some options to either try
[1:42:05]
to get out of that um or not.
[1:42:08]
Ultimately, Jamaica decided to stay in
[1:42:11]
mostly because of the how complicated it
[1:42:13]
was to remove ourselves from that union
[1:42:15]
school district.
[1:42:18]
Fast forward another few years, more uh
[1:42:20]
legislation brought us to merging
[1:42:23]
governance, much like Laura talked about
[1:42:25]
this morning. The first step was merging
[1:42:27]
governance and you had to merge into
[1:42:29]
like districts. Well, we were already um
[1:42:32]
a you in the district with New Fain and
[1:42:34]
Brookline and Townsen as part of the
[1:42:36]
Union School District. So, we've merged
[1:42:38]
into what is now West River Education
[1:42:40]
District. So, West River Education
[1:42:43]
District now controls education from preschool to 12th grade. Um, it's
[1:42:49]
one board that controls that education.
[1:42:52]
That board operates currently uh four
[1:42:55]
school buildings, one here in Jamaica,
[1:42:57]
one in New Feay, one in Townsen, and the
[1:43:00]
Leon and Gray campus.
[1:43:03]
that West River Education District is
[1:43:05]
part of the Windham Central Supervisory
[1:43:08]
Union. Windham Central Supervisory Union
[1:43:11]
um has other school districts that also
[1:43:15]
um are part of the the supervisory union
[1:43:18]
including Malo who is being whose
[1:43:20]
populace is being asked to close their
[1:43:22]
school today. um River Valleys which is
[1:43:25]
a merger between Dover and Wartsboro and
[1:43:28]
then Stratton uh who's a non-operating
[1:43:31]
district and Windham who's also now
[1:43:33]
nonoperating. So that's the structure.
[1:43:36]
What's important to understand is that
[1:43:38]
as this legislative process has happened
[1:43:40]
over the last 20 years, responsibility
[1:43:43]
keeps shifting. So more things um more
[1:43:47]
responsibilities have been shifted away
[1:43:50]
from local control here in this room.
[1:43:53]
Like we are not voting on a budget here
[1:43:55]
today, right? Has moved away from the
[1:43:59]
school board and moved to for example
[1:44:01]
the superintendent's office. So, if you
[1:44:04]
were to look at those budgets today,
[1:44:06]
you're going to notice that a large
[1:44:08]
percent of our local education budget is
[1:44:11]
an assessment from the supervisory union
[1:44:14]
that you guys don't get to vote on ever.
[1:44:18]
Um, I think this is really important for
[1:44:20]
people to realize. That number this year
[1:44:22]
alone, um, for us in West River
[1:44:25]
Education went up by over $700,000
[1:44:28]
in the assessment side. Now, that
[1:44:31]
assessment went up because of offsett
[1:44:34]
offsetting revenues that were not coming
[1:44:36]
from the federal government. But that
[1:44:37]
assessment also went up because the
[1:44:40]
school district and the supervisory
[1:44:42]
union have been utilizing fund balances
[1:44:45]
since the end of the pandemic to buy
[1:44:46]
down tax rates. So, this year alone, the
[1:44:49]
supervisory union budget um was bought
[1:44:53]
down by $1.1 million in fund balance and
[1:44:58]
you guys had to kick in another
[1:44:59]
$750,000.
[1:45:01]
So, that's impacting our local budget.
[1:45:04]
We went through a very long process of
[1:45:07]
budgeting this year with our our
[1:45:10]
district looking at uh what our tax rate
[1:45:14]
might look like if we kept programming
[1:45:16]
the same. and we were looking at almost
[1:45:18]
a 30% tax increase uh in your education
[1:45:21]
taxes um by taking that assessment from
[1:45:25]
the SU and just level funding programs
[1:45:28]
across our um district. Ultimately, we
[1:45:33]
did decide to come back to the town of
[1:45:35]
Jamaica and ask to close the Jamaica
[1:45:37]
Villa School and the programming at
[1:45:40]
Jamaica Village School with the intent
[1:45:42]
that we could offer the same or similar
[1:45:45]
programming um at the other facilities,
[1:45:48]
bringing down the uh the total cost.
[1:45:51]
Now, keep in mind that we're reducing
[1:45:53]
costs in our local budget,
[1:45:56]
but we're not actually reducing costs
[1:45:58]
because we had a massive increase in the
[1:46:01]
assessment that came down to us. So, if
[1:46:03]
you were to go to one of our school
[1:46:05]
board meetings and look at the
[1:46:06]
spreadsheet that we were working with,
[1:46:09]
um, every reduction we made in
[1:46:11]
programming in our local district was
[1:46:14]
offset, um, by additional assessments
[1:46:17]
that were coming to us. So, it's a very
[1:46:19]
difficult um discussion. We try to get
[1:46:22]
through it with making as little program
[1:46:25]
changes to kids as we can.
[1:46:28]
Unfortunately, we don't get to control a
[1:46:30]
lot of the expenses.
[1:46:33]
We also bought down our own tax rate in
[1:46:37]
our district utilizing fund balance. So,
[1:46:40]
we utilize about 350,000 of local West
[1:46:43]
River Education District funds to buy
[1:46:45]
down the tax rate.
[1:46:47]
We don't know the final number yet
[1:46:49]
because the legislature has to set that
[1:46:51]
in June, but you're probably going to be
[1:46:53]
looking at roughly a 10% education tax
[1:46:57]
increase even if the town votes to close
[1:47:01]
the school and even with all of the fund
[1:47:05]
balances which total about a million a
[1:47:08]
half dollars um of buying down the tax
[1:47:11]
rate.
[1:47:12]
I want to bring this up because this is
[1:47:15]
the last year of fund balance. Um the
[1:47:18]
supervisory unit has no more fund
[1:47:19]
balance. The education district has no
[1:47:21]
more fund balance. So next year um the
[1:47:25]
full weighted budget is going to hit
[1:47:27]
your taxes. Like there's nothing there's
[1:47:29]
no other levers that the boards have to
[1:47:33]
pull in order to reduce the impact of
[1:47:35]
education taxes. So that's the good news
[1:47:40]
I have to share with you all.
[1:47:42]
Um, and if anybody wants to uh come to a
[1:47:46]
board meeting and wants to take over my
[1:47:48]
board seat, um,
[1:47:49]
>> can we also share that all of this
[1:47:52]
information is actually on the website
[1:47:54]
and it's very well presented, including
[1:47:56]
the evolutions of the budget drafts.
[1:47:59]
>> So, I got the pleasure of taking over as
[1:48:01]
the chair of the Western Education
[1:48:03]
District this year, and my goal has been
[1:48:05]
about public transparency and making
[1:48:06]
sure you can find this information and
[1:48:09]
we have um,
[1:48:11]
We've been very aggressive with the
[1:48:13]
administration about making sure that
[1:48:14]
this information is available. So, you
[1:48:16]
can go to the website and see every
[1:48:18]
draft of the budget meetings and
[1:48:20]
discussions for West River. The
[1:48:23]
documents for the SU are less clear, but
[1:48:27]
better than they've ever been. Um,
[1:48:30]
>> what's the website?
[1:48:31]
>> Uh, so look at Windham Central uh
[1:48:34]
Windham Centrals.org or Windham Central
[1:48:37]
Supervisory Union and it'll link to
[1:48:39]
that. you want to do the full thing
[1:48:41]
because there's other entities out there
[1:48:44]
on the internet. If you go WCS,
[1:48:46]
>> I can put one out there.
[1:48:47]
>> You'll get sites you don't want.
[1:48:49]
>> We just And we just
[1:48:50]
>> I'll put a link on the website to
[1:48:51]
everybody. So, there'll be a post and
[1:48:53]
there'll be a w link on the website.
[1:48:55]
>> A link. Yeah.
[1:48:56]
>> And if any specific questions, I I don't
[1:48:58]
have much more time, but I'll try to do
[1:49:00]
my best to answer. Um certainly, you're
[1:49:04]
welcome to come to board meetings. Um,
[1:49:07]
if you have spare time and you're
[1:49:10]
interested to see where the state is,
[1:49:12]
you can go on to YouTube and you can
[1:49:14]
watch the state house and senate
[1:49:17]
education committees. They are
[1:49:20]
discussing
[1:49:22]
redistricting. Um, there is a big push
[1:49:25]
for regional high schools, centralized
[1:49:28]
middle schools, and limited elementary
[1:49:32]
schools. like they want them more or
[1:49:34]
less centralized too. They want bigger
[1:49:37]
districts. Laura mentioned this morning
[1:49:39]
there's a couple maps out if you haven't
[1:49:40]
looked at it. One of the maps would
[1:49:42]
actually take this swath and combine us
[1:49:44]
with the Bellis Falls area. Um again
[1:49:47]
further removing governance local
[1:49:50]
control
[1:49:51]
>> and adding bigger
[1:49:53]
>> basically everything from Winhaul all
[1:49:55]
the way like a almost a square swath all
[1:49:58]
the way over to Phil Falls. We become
[1:50:00]
part of a single district with that
[1:50:02]
entire area. That's one of the
[1:50:03]
proposals. That's the house. The Senate
[1:50:06]
has us lumped in with Twin Valley and
[1:50:09]
Bradboro probably Bradboro because they
[1:50:12]
wanted to base the regional high schools
[1:50:13]
around career centers. And there's a big
[1:50:17]
push for that on the governor and the
[1:50:20]
senate side. So we'd be lumped in with
[1:50:22]
Bradboro, Southeastern, Southwestern,
[1:50:26]
Windham, and Central
[1:50:29]
and Wartsboro and Dover would be taken
[1:50:32]
out of our district and given to uh
[1:50:36]
>> over the hill Manchester.
[1:50:38]
>> Other questions for for Drew and Dana?
[1:50:41]
Jean. Jean, you're I did you have a
[1:50:44]
question?
[1:50:45]
Thank you both. I've been watching this
[1:50:47]
for a while and you guys are eloquently
[1:50:50]
transparent and on our side as people as
[1:50:53]
we people. My question is my
[1:50:56]
understanding is there was a contract
[1:50:58]
signed a while back that made the town
[1:51:02]
of Jamaica unable to step out of the
[1:51:06]
district. Do you guys have an access to
[1:51:09]
an attorney who could help us do that if
[1:51:12]
that's what the town decides? So, it's
[1:51:14]
not that we can't get out. So, the the
[1:51:16]
legislature created a process for uh
[1:51:20]
dissolving these types of unions. And
[1:51:22]
what it is is Jamaica would have to vote
[1:51:24]
to leave and then all of the other towns
[1:51:27]
that were partners with would have to
[1:51:29]
vote to let us out. So, the process is
[1:51:31]
clearly defined. Um it's just very very
[1:51:35]
unlikely that all of the other
[1:51:37]
communities because then they would
[1:51:38]
fully um the taxation. So, it's not
[1:51:43]
there isn't a process. The process is
[1:51:45]
very well defined. It's just there's
[1:51:47]
nobody that believes that would ever
[1:51:49]
actually get through there. Um, now that
[1:51:52]
being said, the legislature with what
[1:51:54]
they're doing in Montpillar um may be
[1:51:56]
changing that process and force
[1:51:57]
dissolving some of these mergers through
[1:52:00]
legislation.
[1:52:01]
>> Mary, did you have something?
[1:52:02]
>> At one time, I thought there was
[1:52:04]
something that states so many students
[1:52:08]
go to schools every day. It was a large
[1:52:12]
number or something would happen to that
[1:52:14]
this I can't imagine that we have that
[1:52:17]
number that they request like 1,200 or
[1:52:20]
students a day.
[1:52:21]
>> There was originally but they jumped
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that down to 2,000 to 4,000
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>> but originally they wanted uh
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>> 4,000 to 8,000 12,000.
[1:52:32]
>> Right?
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>> So put it into perspective. Our entire
[1:52:35]
supervisory union only has 600 children.
[1:52:39]
So, we're not even close to the minimum
[1:52:42]
sizes that they're kicking around at
[1:52:43]
Montpillar. Um, so again, there's definitely more changes coming
[1:52:47]
because every time and we've been
[1:52:50]
watching kind of the movement up there,
[1:52:52]
uh, when they look when they talk about
[1:52:53]
minimum size for a high school or
[1:52:55]
minimum size or class size or minimum
[1:52:58]
whatever their new minimum discussion of
[1:53:00]
the week is, um, we don't seem to meet
[1:53:03]
any of them.
[1:53:04]
um they're definitely not designed for
[1:53:06]
rural communities and the only their
[1:53:10]
answer is well then we'll just move
[1:53:11]
those kids to more urban areas like and some of the the busing guidance that
[1:53:16]
they put out they're ex they're
[1:53:19]
accepting an hourong busing as
[1:53:22]
reasonable for elementary and 90 minutes
[1:53:24]
for for secondary.
[1:53:25]
>> Yeah.
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>> So like these are some of the numbers
[1:53:27]
that are kicking around as part of this
[1:53:29]
policy discussion
[1:53:30]
>> um up in Mont Pillar. So it's very
[1:53:34]
possible that through this there could
[1:53:37]
be um an expectation that our kids are
[1:53:40]
on buses for a very long time. There is
[1:53:44]
um some talk of eliminating school
[1:53:47]
choice.
[1:53:48]
The whole thing they uh feel there's the
[1:53:52]
push for public education
[1:53:55]
uh you know trying a high school trying
[1:53:57]
to give AP classes and they only got
[1:54:00]
five kids. Well, it's because the kids
[1:54:03]
that would be in that class have school
[1:54:06]
choice.
[1:54:07]
See, they're looking at you could do
[1:54:09]
early college. Well, they're talking
[1:54:10]
about doing away with that, which gave
[1:54:12]
kids opportunity to get programming that
[1:54:16]
they couldn't get in their high school.
[1:54:19]
We're fighting against each other in a
[1:54:20]
way either, you know. So, the school
[1:54:23]
choice question is even coming up to
[1:54:25]
where they may abolish that.
[1:54:27]
So, what can we do as a community to
[1:54:32]
support you or to make better choice uh
[1:54:35]
choices that don't take things away from
[1:54:38]
our kids and put them on buses for three
[1:54:41]
hours a day? What can we all do? What
[1:54:44]
action can we take?
[1:54:45]
>> So,
[1:54:47]
a lot of those decisions uh right now
[1:54:49]
are out of our local hands. So, um,
[1:54:54]
contacting Laura, um, Emily Long, who's
[1:54:58]
a new thing representative, sits on
[1:54:59]
House Education. So, um, again, continue
[1:55:02]
to communicate with our legislators in
[1:55:06]
Mont Pillar. Um, and then locally on the
[1:55:09]
board, we we want to hear from people.
[1:55:12]
We've got some really really tough
[1:55:14]
decisions um, you know,
[1:55:16]
>> that that are happening now. We are
[1:55:17]
having to downsize staff. um we are
[1:55:21]
having to make decisions that are
[1:55:23]
affecting kids and we don't have a
[1:55:25]
choice. Um we have so we started
[1:55:31]
when the enrollment started dropping so
[1:55:33]
you know Jamaican village boosts have
[1:55:35]
100 children in it. U we don't have 100
[1:55:37]
children in that age range across three
[1:55:41]
towns now right it's just we just don't
[1:55:43]
have the kids. So as we've continued to
[1:55:46]
consolidate and made it get smaller um
[1:55:49]
the grades that are coming in are
[1:55:51]
smaller than the grades that are going
[1:55:52]
out. So our population and the way that
[1:55:54]
the formula works is based on um per
[1:55:57]
pupil spending. Our per pupil spending
[1:56:00]
this year we we were through some sort
[1:56:03]
of formula anomaly and we're not going
[1:56:06]
to tell the state about it. Um, our
[1:56:09]
makebelieve student count, our per pupil
[1:56:12]
students actually went up. Even though
[1:56:15]
that's not the way you count children,
[1:56:17]
>> it's not a one-on-one.
[1:56:18]
>> And I'm just going to hang on, let me
[1:56:19]
just back up a minute cuz it probably
[1:56:21]
sounds like I'm confused, right?
[1:56:23]
Everybody in the room, if I ask you how
[1:56:24]
many kids were in the district, you go
[1:56:26]
in there and go 1 2 3 4 5, right? That
[1:56:29]
is not how the state of Vermont counts
[1:56:30]
kids. Um, there are some kids that are
[1:56:32]
worth less than one. There are some kids
[1:56:33]
that are worth more than one. And we
[1:56:35]
have Oh, yeah. preschool kids. By the
[1:56:38]
way, anybody here ever tried to manage a
[1:56:40]
preschool age child? They're they only
[1:56:42]
count as point4. Yeah. I can tell you
[1:56:44]
that in my house that was like a 2.0.
[1:56:48]
So, but anyway, so there there's these
[1:56:51]
different weights. So, even though we
[1:56:52]
only have, you know, roughly, you know,
[1:56:55]
400 kids, we have a pupil per pupil
[1:56:58]
count that's 817. And it changes. These
[1:57:01]
weights all change. So that's a major
[1:57:04]
part of the formula, but they changed
[1:57:05]
the way they count the kids every year.
[1:57:08]
And so this year we got pretty lucky
[1:57:09]
because our make believe number was a
[1:57:12]
little bit higher, which means our total
[1:57:15]
per pupil spending went down because
[1:57:16]
that's how you divide it up. Total
[1:57:18]
spending divided by number of students.
[1:57:21]
Next year that's going to drop. Uh
[1:57:23]
there's no question in my mind that that
[1:57:25]
our total number of students going to
[1:57:26]
drop, which is going to make our per
[1:57:27]
pupil price go higher. they reinstituted
[1:57:30]
our penalty this year last year. Um, so
[1:57:34]
every dollar we spend over the
[1:57:36]
allowable, we get taxed twice. It's a
[1:57:39]
100% penalty that the state is imposing
[1:57:41]
on us. Um, now again, this is designed
[1:57:45]
in my opinion to hurt rural communities
[1:57:48]
because it's impossible for us to
[1:57:50]
provide quality education and stable
[1:57:52]
threshold. So now we have to pay two to
[1:57:55]
one uh for every dollar that we spend
[1:57:57]
over it. The other thing they changed is
[1:58:00]
uh it used to be that infrastructure,
[1:58:03]
bond payments and things like that were
[1:58:04]
not counted in your per pupil spending.
[1:58:06]
So you could make changes for
[1:58:08]
efficiency. So we for example could
[1:58:10]
reconfigure one of our buildings um
[1:58:13]
become more efficient and the bond
[1:58:14]
payment through that reconfiguration was
[1:58:16]
not considered. They took that away from
[1:58:18]
us. Every improvement, every capital
[1:58:20]
investment we make all goes into uh the
[1:58:23]
per pupil spending. So they've
[1:58:25]
handcuffed us in the in the world of
[1:58:28]
innovation too. So the idea that hey we
[1:58:31]
could become more efficient if we just
[1:58:33]
you know modernized our build building
[1:58:34]
so we didn't have to have four
[1:58:36]
principles. Well that bond would drive
[1:58:39]
us over the threshold and we'd be paying
[1:58:41]
double taxation on every dollar over. So
[1:58:44]
there's a lot of things like that are at
[1:58:45]
play. The other pieces that you guys
[1:58:47]
have to remember in Jamaica is that we
[1:58:48]
have a CLA that is 4
[1:58:52]
>> 48 48
[1:58:54]
>> 48
[1:58:55]
>> um which means your property valuations
[1:58:57]
they consider to be 50 roughly half of
[1:59:00]
what they should be. So Mont Pillar came
[1:59:03]
up with a multiplier this year which is
[1:59:06]
77 I believe. So now we have a
[1:59:09]
makebelieve number of students, a CLA
[1:59:11]
that's low, a.77 multiplier that was
[1:59:14]
added to it, and then the legislature is
[1:59:16]
going to pick a yield sometime between
[1:59:18]
now and June, and that's going to set
[1:59:20]
your tax rate. Um, so that's why I can't
[1:59:24]
tell you exactly what it's going to be.
[1:59:26]
Um, they like to tell us all that the
[1:59:28]
spending decisions are local. Um, if
[1:59:30]
anybody can figure out that formula and
[1:59:32]
tell us what that local decision is
[1:59:34]
there, I would love to hear it. Patty,
[1:59:36]
did you have your hand up?
[1:59:37]
>> I just want to know, are we better off
[1:59:39]
with more fake kids or less fake kids?
[1:59:44]
» More fake kids. More fake kids.
[1:59:47]
>> Yes. More
[1:59:49]
>> grand kids. Yes.
[1:59:57]
» And And if anybody, we had a nice
[1:59:59]
discussion at Kama Village School um
[2:00:02]
earlier this winter. If anybody wants
[2:00:05]
like the real details as to how the
[2:00:07]
formula works, um I will go through all
[2:00:09]
the numbers with you and show you where
[2:00:11]
it works and how we came up with the
[2:00:13]
budget. Um it's one of my favorite
[2:00:15]
topics. So if you want to come, um we'll
[2:00:17]
go through that. you want to come to
[2:00:19]
board meetings and tell us about um
[2:00:21]
programs that you really don't want us
[2:00:22]
to cut. Um next year is going to be a
[2:00:24]
it's going to be a brutal budget
[2:00:26]
discussion
[2:00:27]
>> because without fund balance to buy down
[2:00:30]
the tax rate. We know that we have
[2:00:32]
contractual obligations for um uh
[2:00:35]
raises. We know that health insurance is
[2:00:37]
going to go up again. Um you guys are
[2:00:39]
going to be looking at tax increases
[2:00:41]
next year that you probably never heard
[2:00:43]
of, thought about and certainly don't
[2:00:45]
want to see. Any other questions?
[2:00:48]
Christie.
[2:00:49]
>> Um, so as Drew just mentioned, there was a great meeting that they had
[2:00:54]
a few weeks ago. Did a great job giving
[2:00:57]
us all of these details and even more
[2:01:00]
details at that meeting and we had there
[2:01:02]
was about 20 people there. We had a
[2:01:04]
great discussion about all of this. We
[2:01:06]
really encourage everybody to get
[2:01:08]
involved. Reach out to through Dana and
[2:01:10]
get that information. It is really
[2:01:12]
important right now. And if you're not
[2:01:15]
following all of this, you you really
[2:01:17]
need to start. And it's going to affect
[2:01:19]
our town a lot more than, you know,
[2:01:22]
Burlington and Warner Town. Um, a few
[2:01:26]
friends of mine and I got together and
[2:01:28]
started a Facebook page. It's called
[2:01:30]
Southern Vermont and Rural Communities
[2:01:33]
School Forum. And we're not giving sides
[2:01:36]
there on any of this, but we're just
[2:01:38]
getting information out. We're we're
[2:01:40]
sharing news articles. for sharing
[2:01:42]
snippets of the legislative meetings. Um
[2:01:45]
there's there's people behind this page
[2:01:47]
that are doing a lot of the research for
[2:01:49]
everybody so that we can make it easy
[2:01:51]
for people to stay involved and stay um
[2:01:55]
up to speed on what's going on. So if
[2:01:57]
you want to join that page um you know
[2:02:00]
we try to do the work for you and keep
[2:02:02]
everybody.
[2:02:05]
>> Thank you. Any other questions for Drew
[2:02:07]
and Dana?
[2:02:09]
Sue,
[2:02:10]
>> you mentioned that the supervisory
[2:02:12]
union's budget is a handsoff thing. How do we change that? They they seem to
[2:02:18]
be getting um a helper for helper of an
[2:02:22]
for an assistant for an assistant. They
[2:02:24]
seem they seem to be making up positions
[2:02:27]
to fill it and there's nothing we can
[2:02:29]
do. So, we're having to cut programs and
[2:02:32]
they're they're adding staff. Okay. Um,
[2:02:35]
so we're taking away from the kids,
[2:02:37]
which is the purpose of them. How how do
[2:02:40]
we how do how do you how do we fix that?
[2:02:43]
Is that what's done all over the state?
[2:02:45]
Is that is their budget put into it and
[2:02:48]
voted on by the super board prior to
[2:02:52]
anything so that nobody can touch it?
[2:02:55]
>> So, um, our district runs the same as it
[2:02:58]
does everywhere in the state. So, what
[2:02:59]
we're doing here is consistent. Um, so
[2:03:03]
the supervisory union budget is voted on
[2:03:05]
by representatives from each of the uh
[2:03:08]
school boards. So I do sit on the super
[2:03:11]
advisory union board and anybody that's
[2:03:13]
watched the meeting knows I voted
[2:03:15]
against the budget um and for many many
[2:03:18]
reasons. Um and the major reason was
[2:03:22]
that we were the budget was introduced
[2:03:25]
to us um and they called a vote on it in
[2:03:29]
less than an hour.
[2:03:30]
um without explaining what they were
[2:03:32]
spending the money on, which is
[2:03:34]
obviously why I had to express my
[2:03:36]
opposition to it and vote against it. Um
[2:03:40]
there's a lot of things that the state
[2:03:42]
has mandated have to be in the
[2:03:44]
superintendent's budget. Um the largest
[2:03:46]
one being special education. So that
[2:03:49]
used to show up in a local budget so we
[2:03:51]
could see how that money was being
[2:03:52]
spent. Now it's lumped together for the
[2:03:54]
entire SU and we are a portioned chunk
[2:03:57]
of it. So, we have no idea whether that
[2:04:00]
money is being used to educate our kids
[2:04:03]
or somebody else's kids. Um, and and
[2:04:06]
again, that's a legislative mandate that
[2:04:08]
it has to be done that way. Um, I think
[2:04:11]
part of what this redistricting and
[2:04:13]
mapping is about is trying to shrink
[2:04:16]
some of that supervisory structure.
[2:04:18]
We've got four superintendents in
[2:04:20]
Windham County. Um, and again, the
[2:04:23]
superintendent's offices are they're
[2:04:26]
very well- paid positions. Um, far
[2:04:29]
better paid than the teaching staff
[2:04:30]
positions in in most cases. And we have
[2:04:35]
um a lot of that administrative overhead
[2:04:37]
is coming down to um our local. So, just
[2:04:40]
to put it in perspective, there are 89
[2:04:43]
full-time employees at the supervisory
[2:04:45]
level um in our district. Those are
[2:04:50]
teachers
[2:04:50]
>> super they are not teachers teachers.
[2:04:52]
>> Um now some of those provide teaching
[2:04:55]
staff. So some of those are special
[2:04:56]
educators but those are not the
[2:04:59]
classroom teachers. U the classroom
[2:05:01]
teachers and the principles of the
[2:05:02]
building are in our local budget. That's
[2:05:04]
what you guys get to vote on on the
[2:05:07]
>> whatever date it is
[2:05:08]
>> of the eth.
[2:05:10]
>> You guys get to vote on on the local
[2:05:11]
budget on the 8th. Able
[2:05:13]
>> uh Able, which is the local teachers and
[2:05:17]
the principles that are in the local
[2:05:19]
building. Uh the assessment we have to
[2:05:21]
pay regardless,
[2:05:25]
» right? Any other questions? Any for
[2:05:27]
them? Thank you guys so much for for
[2:05:29]
talking about that.
[2:05:35]
Any other business to bring before the
[2:05:37]
body? And just remind our paperots to
[2:05:41]
just hand those back.
[2:05:42]
>> Yeah, bring them back. Just send them
[2:05:43]
over to Aaron and Heather. Thank you.
[2:05:46]
>> Um, so I I I'm going to entertain a
[2:05:49]
motion to close article nine.
[2:05:54]
» Moved by Greg Jolly. Seconded.
[2:05:58]
>> You seconded. I'm sorry.
[2:05:59]
>> Yes,
[2:06:00]
>> Peter. Um, all in favor of closing
[2:06:03]
article 9,
[2:06:04]
>> I uh article or article eight rather.
[2:06:07]
Article 9. Uh, can I get a motion to
[2:06:09]
adjurnn?
[2:06:11]
>> Greg Jolly Peter second. Closing the
[2:06:15]
question. All in favor of adjourning. I
[2:06:18]
>> meeting's closed.
[2:06:20]
>> Excellent discussion.