[0:01] [clears throat]

[0:12] Mike's coming.

[0:16] Oh, thank you.

[0:23] » Hi, Josh. How are you tonight? >> Peachy.

[0:31] 7:00

[0:37] calls me in order. Say the pledge of >> allegiance.

[0:41] Pledge allegiance [clears throat] to the flag of the United States of America and

[0:45] to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with

[0:51] liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] Before

[0:57] you enter the roll call, please make sure your mics are on somewhat close to

[1:01] your mouth. A lot of citizens are having issues hearing us online. And make sure

[1:05] the buttons pushed down so they're on. If it's not working tonight, we'll have

[1:10] somebody look into it. See what we can do.

[1:13] All right. With that being said, we'll move into a roll call of the council,

[1:16] please. >> Denny Bell

[1:17] » here. >> Cindy Gassi here. Andrew Hamilton

[1:20] » here. >> Craig Wright.

[1:22] » Merritt Jones >> here. Okay, next move into the approval

[1:26] of the agenda. Any questions?

[1:31] If not, is there a motion? >> Motion to approve.

[1:34] » I'll second. >> There's been a motion in a second. Any

[1:35] other discussion? All in favor say I.

[1:39] » I. >> I.

[1:41] » Opposed. Motion carries.

[1:45] Next, we move on to approve the consent agenda.

[1:50] Any questions or discussion?

[1:55] Make a motion to approve.

[1:59] » Motion. Is there a second? >> Second.

[2:04] » All right. Call vote, please.

[2:08] » Bell, >> yes.

[2:09] » Gassi, >> yes.

[2:10] » Hamilton, >> yes.

[2:12] [clears throat] >> Motion carries. Next, we move on to

[2:15] citizens input. If you have anything, address the podium. Limit to three

[2:19] minutes, please.

[2:23] You guys will have your time. >> Oh, okay.

[2:25] » You're on the agenda, so you don't have to approach now.

[2:29] » All right. Next, move on to department departmental reports.

[2:34] Uh, any discussions or questions?

[2:39] Kim, you're kind of late. I don't know if they all made the council pack. I

[2:41] don't know if you guys kind of want to give an update where you're at, kind of

[2:43] what's transpired just so the council knows what's coming their way.

[2:48] The last years

[2:54] call

[2:57] the average

[3:13] meeting or Um

[3:21] yeah, that was basically as far as the state also has some funding, but

[3:27] that money will probably get to a project for the county. I think this

[3:34] last time they bought gas meters for EMS

[3:42] on

[3:47] new ones for that.

[3:55] So that's the state.

[4:04] » Yep.

[4:08] » Who is representing us on the for the county out of your crew?

[4:14] went down and

[4:20] two people.

[4:41] » Any other questions? discussion.

[4:44] » So, what's the steps? You're resigning and thank you very much for your service

[4:50] to our community. >> So, has the ambulance

[4:54] voted on somebody to replace you? >> Oh, hey. We got a direct phone number to

[5:01] him. [laughter] >> So, our goal was to get it tonight. We

[5:05] just time got the better of us. >> Let's not care if we got my own personal

[5:09] issues, right? You know, so they are in kind of a It's a limbo for two weeks

[5:14] till your next one. Would you guys call it that? Fairly uh fairly.

[5:18] » Yes, I'm fairly confident. Kendall, you ran the ambulance many times, been

[5:22] around for a long time. Um so we'll just kind of we'll look for that in the next

[5:26] agenda to straighten all that up. But >> okay,

[5:32] » what's that?

[5:37] » We're changing that date tonight, I think.

[5:40] » Yeah. Yeah, we'll be changing it just because of the holiday.

[5:44] » Okay. So, my letter might just whenever your

[5:49] date >> Yeah, we can get it straight.

[5:53] » Okay, >> sounds good.

[5:57] When is the county ambulance supposed to be up and running?

[6:01] » November 1st. >> November 1st.

[6:06] All right. All right. Anything else on department

[6:10] reports? Thank you both for coming and updating

[6:14] us. Appreciate Kendall for stepping up. Thank you for your service and we'll

[6:18] touch on it again, but thank you very much. All right, if no other questions,

[6:22] I'll entertain a motion. >> So move a motion. Is there a second?

[6:29] » Second. >> Any other discussion? All in favor say

[6:33] I. >> I.

[6:35] » Opposed? Motion carries. All right, old business.

[6:39] We're back to the water tower. Thank you, Hamilton, for catching that. Um,

[6:43] they did look through it and it was an engineering agreement that that was part

[6:46] of the original bid. So, >> great catch. Thank you. So, we're going

[6:49] back to where we were. All these numbers have been adjusted accordingly. So,

[6:53] » we saved you saved over 9,000 bucks with that catch.

[6:56] » Good job. >> Caught one.

[7:01] [snorts] >> I can You know what? I can honestly tell

[7:04] you in 30 years of doing this, I've never seen an engineer send me an email

[7:08] that said, "You're right. [laughter]

[7:12] That was a great catch. >> They shouldn't be paying that. I should

[7:17] probably frame that email >> from Lucas. Lucas is a great kid. I

[7:21] shouldn't I'm not picking on him. I'm just

[7:23] » Well, no, I am picking on him. >> We do not need to boost Andrew up

[7:25] anymore. [laughter]

[7:29] [snorts] >> All right. Any other discussion on that?

[7:31] If not, I'll go in to change order number one. I'll entertain a motion.

[7:36] » So been a motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second.

[7:40] » Any other discussion? >> Roll call vote, please.

[7:44] » Cassie, >> yes. Hamilton,

[7:46] » yes. >> Jones,

[7:47] » yes. >> Bell,

[7:48] » yes. >> Motion carries. Moving on to the

[7:51] resolution accepting improvements on the water tower painting project. Any

[7:54] questions or concerns with that? If not, I'll entertain a motion.

[8:00] So move >> a motion. Is there a second?

[8:04] » Second. >> Any other discussion? Roll call vote,

[8:08] please. >> Bell,

[8:09] » yes. >> Gossi,

[8:10] » yes. Hamilton, >> yes.

[8:11] » Jones, >> yes. [clears throat]

[8:13] » Motion carries. Next on the for business, a resolution

[8:17] approving the payment for the water tower painting project, the retaining of

[8:21] $15,251. Any [clears throat] questions or

[8:25] concerns? Hearing? None. Is there a motion? Motion

[8:29] to approve. >> Second.

[8:31] » Motion in a second. Any other discussion?

[8:34] » Roll call vote, please. >> Jones,

[8:36] » yes. >> Bell,

[8:37] » yes. >> Gassi,

[8:38] » yes. >> Hamilton,

[8:39] » yes. >> Motion carries. Next, we move on to new

[8:43] business. We have a resolution of support for Revive Bodyworks LLC.

[8:49] It's simply just asking for a letter of support. Do you want to speak on it in

[8:53] behalf or >> as far as

[8:56] » if you will I don't want to interrupt but [laughter] that way the mic will

[8:59] catch you.

[9:03] » All right. Can you hear me? Okay. Um the whole process is new to me as far as how

[9:08] it goes, but essentially as part of the process when I'm applying for the Bina

[9:14] County Economic Development Commission uh low interest key grant um part of

[9:20] that is you have to to have support by your community um with the situation of

[9:25] moving forward. So, that's one of the items. Um I'm applying for that and then

[9:29] I'm also um hoping for a key business grant as well. Um we're making a lot of

[9:36] changes, a lot of renovations. I'm really excited about it. Um it's going

[9:40] to great. I don't know if you have any specific questions regarding the

[9:42] process, >> what we're doing.

[9:44] » For the people listening, yeah, when do you think you will be in the next the

[9:48] new building? >> Our goal is October or November. Okay,

[9:51] there we go. Perfect. >> And for those who don't know, what do

[9:54] you offer for services? >> So, for services, it's massage therapy,

[9:57] aesthetics, um raiki, reflexology, uh LED, which would be light therapy,

[10:03] sauna therapy.

[10:06] » Excellent. All right. Any other discussion,

[10:10] questions? >> So, what's going to be the scope of the

[10:12] remodel? >> The scope of the remodel. Okay. So,

[10:15] we're currently in 748 square feet. We're working split shift so that we can

[10:20] um stay with the course of our demand. So

[10:24] we have six team members. Uh we have three treatment rooms. So as we move

[10:28] over there, I don't know if you're familiar with the building, but the

[10:30] building used to be like three separate buildings kind of or not buildings but

[10:35] businesses. So in the front it would be like say Remax or so Craftsy and she had

[10:39] the whole thing, but essentially it could have been like three separate

[10:43] areas. So we're opening it all up. So, the idea is that we'll have six

[10:48] treatment rooms, a large um reception area, waiting room, an area where people

[10:54] could get memberships for sauna led. Uh we have a separate treatment room for

[10:59] chair massages. Um we eventually would like to host

[11:04] classes, whether that's us teaching classes to other massage therapists for

[11:08] continuing education, bringing other people into the community. Um maybe it's

[11:12] just even community class as far as uh self-care, different mobility,

[11:15] stretching, just getting um different ways for our current clients to get more

[11:22] out of their sessions in between sessions. So yeah, have a lot going on.

[11:28] Um we're changing um essentially right now um the doors are

[11:34] too small for even like handicap accessibility. So that would be part of

[11:38] it. Um once we reconfigure it, one of the complaints of the previous owner um

[11:44] of So Craftsy said that people were very confused as to which door to use. So

[11:48] reorienting it to the parking lot side. So the front would be just more of

[11:53] frontage, but having everybody come in to one primary door and knowing which

[12:00] route they're supposed to go when they arrive. Um, I think it will be great

[12:03] because when they are at the parking lot, um, there's a lot of other things

[12:06] going on in that area right now with the Thompson building, with, uh, the coffee

[12:10] shop, with physical therapy, with the laundromat, with, um, the art studio

[12:16] across the street. So, I think it will be great.

[12:21] Any other questions? >> I just like to say thank you for

[12:24] investing and continuing investing in Jessup. That's awesome.

[12:27] » I wish you the best of luck. >> Thank you.

[12:31] Is there anything else? >> All right. If not, I'll entertain a

[12:35] motion. So,

[12:37] » move a motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second it.

[12:40] » Any other discussion? >> Roll [snorts] call vote, please.

[12:44] » Gassi, >> yes. Jones,

[12:45] » yes. >> Hamilton,

[12:47] » yes. >> Bell,

[12:48] » yes. Motion carries. Next on new business is the request for

[12:53] hearing before the council regarding the nuisance abatement at 1244 6th Street.

[12:57] Matt Rogers. Josh, do you want to start and just kind of catch us up to date or

[13:02] up to date kind of where we're at in the process?

[13:05] » Sure. >> Um,

[13:12] so the the request by Matt was um he was served a a notice to abate in reference

[13:17] to having livestock at his residence. Um, so he was served an abatement looks

[13:23] like the 13th of August um with a 10day um a 10day notice or a 10day

[13:31] take care of the issue kind of thing. There was a couple other things in this

[13:34] abatement as well in reference to a couple things that him and I discussed

[13:38] on the property that was going to be taken care of. So I think the only issue

[13:41] that we're talking about today is the the livestock itself. Correct.

[13:46] » Okay. So and I haven't gone to to look to see if those other items have been

[13:52] taken care of, but I wasn't really overly concerned about it when he said

[13:55] he'd take care of it. I didn't question that. Um,

[13:59] so the livestock part of it would be chickens which are listed under

[14:08] chapter 55

[14:12] » 05. No. Yeah. >> Well, listed under chapter 55, but yes,

[14:17] 550 specifically >> is for um

[14:22] » it says that livestock >> livestock

[14:24] » prohibited. Yeah. I think the definition is under chapter

[14:28] 55 in the first part of it.

[14:33] » Yes. 5501. >> So yeah, so obviously Matt has requested

[14:37] a hearing to uh speak about this matter. You guys

[14:42] » How many chicken are we talking? >> I think there's a

[14:45] » Okay, I was going to say three. I only saw three in the picture, so I I I

[14:49] couldn't tell how many were there without going

[14:53] up and actually looking at them. >> Try to keep my distance.

[14:57] » Did we receive not did were we informed of this by a neighbor or how did you get

[15:02] wind >> by a neighbor?

[15:04] » Um, we also received [clears throat] a a note in the drop box, but no name or

[15:08] anything like that. It was just a >> That's fine. I just wondered how I

[15:11] wondered how the city came. >> So, I don't even know. Yeah. So

[15:14] technically that doesn't even qualify as a complaint, but

[15:18] » yeah, it was brought to my attention by name.

[15:20] » Okay. >> All right.

[15:22] » Does the council have anything else for Josh?

[15:26] » Thanks, Josh. Now, if you guys want to go to the podium.

[15:32] » Yes, absolutely. Just state your name and that way we have for the record.

[15:34] » Right. This is your hearing. So, this is your opportunity to present whatever

[15:39] information you want to the council regarding why they should not uphold the

[15:45] abatement directive.

[15:49] » Rogers,

[15:55] I'm sorry. I don't know really what I'm saying here.

[15:59] We got cited for having livestock poultry in our yard. Um,

[16:06] We've had him for years. I don't know. I didn't even honestly know that Jess had

[16:10] a on tree. Um, so now now all of a sudden it's a it's an issue because

[16:18] we're trying to do some work on on the the barn that's in our backyard and

[16:24] which we've always had them in there. Always kept them inside, never had a

[16:28] problem with it. And now we brought them outside and now all of a sudden there's

[16:31] a problem with it. Um, really what I'm kind of Is there any way that we can

[16:37] seek way for approval to eat my chickens or

[16:41] you guys? >> Can I speak on that?

[16:45] » My wife. Um, my name is Jesse Rogers. I'm Matt

[16:49] Rogers wife. Um, I reside at the same place as him. Um, we bought our house in

[16:55] 2008 and there was currently chickens owned by the White family. When we

[17:00] purchased our home, what appealed to us buying that home was that there was a

[17:05] chicken shack essentially there. Um that's what appealed to us having there.

[17:10] Um we've always had them. Um we after really looking at like the statutes and

[17:17] the ordinances there is a nonconformity clause. Um that building has existed

[17:23] since the 30s. Um I can speak on the people that had actually owned it before

[17:27] that and prove that there was always chickens there. Um our sidewalk, as a

[17:31] matter of fact, um I believe it's that lives behind us. His sister and

[17:37] their children lived there and had chickens for many years as well. And as

[17:41] a matter of fact, when they poured the sidewalk, they put their initials in the

[17:44] sidewalk along with like the chicken feet in there. So, there's proof that

[17:48] chickens have existed. When we bought the house, um it was part of an estate

[17:53] sale. We know that family very well. Went to church with them. Um the

[17:58] equipment that was in there, the heaters, the chicken waters, the chicken

[18:02] um what you call desking box, the one that officer Evans had saw out there

[18:07] that came with the property that was offered to us when we bought it. Um, as

[18:11] a matter of fact, we went over there to help do work on the house just to help

[18:15] get it closed faster. Um, we were actually offered to go ahead and have

[18:20] our chickens over there. So, we kind of absorbed some of theirs. Granted, there

[18:24] was a lot more chickens at the time. Um, I'm very well aware of USDA rules, kind

[18:29] of guidelines on how to care based on flock size, property We have a halfacre

[18:34] backyard. Um the garage, shed, wherever you want to call it, sits

[18:39] about halfway back. Um but it does sit about 15 foot from the said neighbor's

[18:44] line. We're pretty sure we know to make the complaint. Um we've had issues with

[18:49] him over the years. Um our other neighbors are well aware. We've always

[18:53] had chickens. It's never been an issue with them. It's only been an issue with

[18:58] this neighbor as of recently because we simply moved them outside to do

[19:01] maintenance. And I know we can't tear that building down and rebuild it, but I

[19:06] do know we are allowed to do maintenance to it. And in order to do that, we had

[19:10] to place our chickens on the backside where it was ventilated, shaded, keep

[19:14] them safe while we do the work to it. And part of that was in the complaint of

[19:20] garbage or what they said, uh, scrap metal, I believe. And so the only thing

[19:26] that that was really of issue of being metal was that chicken being that sat

[19:32] outside of it and so we did move that back inside. Um the garbage however I

[19:38] actually have proof that we do go to the landill every Saturday morning. We have

[19:45] debit receipts that we go. So the issue of garbage bags are should not be an

[19:50] issue. They get taken care of weekly just like people that would have a

[19:53] weekly route with garbage for pickup. And so that is one of the things we're

[19:57] asking to have nullified is the issue of the scrap metal and the garbage in

[20:02] consideration for the nonconformity use of having poultry

[20:07] um with that. And so that's what we're asking.

[20:13] Anything else? >> Okay. Um

[20:19] so a couple things I'll just let the council know before you deliberate a

[20:23] little bit more. Um, so typically when you talk about

[20:28] non-conforming use, you talk about a building and it being non-conforming

[20:32] within a zoning area, right? For instance, um, somebody has a accessory

[20:40] dwelling in their backyard that's larger than the square footage allowable in

[20:44] that zoning district in the backyard for an accessory dwelling. Um,

[20:50] you don't hear about what I would call a prohibition such as livestock being a

[20:55] non-conforming use, right? Livestock are they're either allowed in city limits or

[20:59] they're not. Um, also

[21:06] obviously the concern I would have is that if you allow

[21:12] chickens, then you have absolutely no ability to enforce that provision

[21:17] against anybody else in town. Currently, right now, your ordinances say that you

[21:21] cannot have poultry in city limits. Period. It's very clear. Um, are there

[21:26] towns that have chicken ordinances? Yes, there are lots of towns that allow

[21:30] councils to grant permits for chicken ordinances up. You know, Hazelton's goes

[21:35] as far as 20 chickens. Of course, you can't have roosters, have to have coupe,

[21:38] all of all of the things. Um, Jessup doesn't have one. I I don't recall it

[21:46] coming here before council. I Someone could correct me if I'm wrong, but I

[21:50] don't remember. Uh, >> oh, it did.

[21:52] » What did [clears throat] Okay. So, that doesn't surprise me that I recall that.

[21:56] um because there was a whole slew of times where we wanted people wanted to

[22:00] have them and then it didn't happen. So um if you guys denied doing a chicken

[22:05] ordinance then that means at that time you spoke and decided you didn't want to

[22:08] allow chickens. Um what you can do I mean after you discuss

[22:14] or ask other questions is you know you can provide them a certain amount of

[22:17] time to get rid of the chickens. You don't have to um tell them they got to

[22:23] have them gone tomorrow. you can say, you know, we're we're denying your

[22:27] request, but you have 20 days to get rid of the chickens, otherwise face a

[22:32] municipal infraction. Um, that's probably what I would recommend in this

[22:36] case as opposed to us entering the property and removing the chickens. Um,

[22:42] I think that's probably a better solution based upon the way our code is

[22:45] written. Um, that way a judge can determine whether

[22:51] or not chickens need to go bye-bye as opposed to us entering the property and

[22:56] physically handling their chickens, which we don't really necessarily have

[22:59] the skill set the or need to be doing. Um, so I don't know that I want to get

[23:04] in the middle of, you know, if the council goes that way, I wouldn't want

[23:07] to get in the middle of doing that. I'd rather just give them a time period and

[23:10] if they don't comply, then you guys can decide whether or not you want to pursue

[23:13] a municipal infraction for violating the ordinance by keeping the chickens. Um, I

[23:18] can do some digging in regards to her nonconformity argument. I hadn't

[23:22] researched that before tonight, so while you guys talk, I can see if I can find

[23:26] anything directly on point, but I'm going to be shooting from the hip on

[23:29] that argument. My initial gut was non-conformity applies to buildings, not

[23:33] to what I would call a prohibition of, you

[23:38] know, can't have it in town kind of thing. Um, but again, I'm happy to look.

[23:44] So, >> um, is there anything uh that allows for

[23:48] grandfathering? Um, >> you see grandfathering and

[23:52] non-conforming use all the time regarding structures.

[23:55] » Okay. So yes, there is such a thing as grandfathering in where and that's kind

[24:00] of what she referenced in regards to usage of buildings. You can if if a

[24:05] building is nonconforming um the subsequent owner acquires that

[24:10] nonconforming status and it's still grandfathered

[24:14] um so long as you don't change its use or significantly alter its

[24:21] depiction, its use, whatever. As long as you

[24:24] » Yeah. setbacks and whatever. Yeah. >> Have in your research, have you found

[24:28] any language in our ordinance that allows for grandfathering?

[24:32] » Yes. So, not only just non-conforming use of the building, but non-conforming

[24:36] use of the property. Um, our deeds go back. It actually used to be a farm. As

[24:41] a matter of fact, our neighbors property and ours was one property at one time.

[24:46] And if you were to do like an aerial photo, you can see like the existing old

[24:50] driveway actually did like a loop around this chicken. Um, and we had looked up

[24:56] Iowa laws and so this wouldn't be like a new precedent. This is actually a lot of

[25:00] times this is happening where people have said we do have like a right to

[25:05] have hobby farming and that with existing especially when that was the

[25:09] one thing that really drew us to buying that home. Um, and there was nothing in

[25:14] the statute that we needed to apply for a permit for it. It's kind of a gray

[25:18] area is what I'm finding. Oh, it would obviously depend on when your ordinances

[25:22] were passed and how long these were in here. I mean, it would take a It's not

[25:25] as simple as as saying, you know, I've found this and I know that we can do

[25:29] this. It's not that simple. >> We signed it on Thursday.

[25:35] » We've done >> outside of work.

[25:38] » Can Can you Can you site a section ordinance that deals with that? Um, yes.

[25:43] » I mean, it'll make it easier for >> Yes. So, I actually um did type that up.

[25:47] So, the first one, it's 65D.05

[25:54] and then um that was talking about non-conforming uses of land. But then

[25:59] there's also definition the >> that's using the land in a way that's

[26:04] not possessing something that's illegal under the code. That's using the land as

[26:09] a business or using the land as an active farming operation or using the

[26:13] land. It's not it's not possessing something that's prohibited. That's

[26:18] where I'm struggling with your argument. >> Approve that to

[26:23] » I guess >> see how it says so it's non-conform.

[26:26] We're not dealing with 165D.04 is non-conforming buildings and structures.

[26:30] We're not dealing with that. This is not this this isn't a discussion that of you

[26:34] having a building on your property and you're and you're and it's

[26:38] non-conforming like it it violates setbacks or you know you're you're

[26:42] within five feet of your property line when you're supposed to be 20t away.

[26:45] That's what that's what non-conforming buildings and structures is. Um

[26:50] non-conforming uses is 165D05.

[27:04] Again, typically what I see with that is, you know, somebody had a

[27:09] hairdressing salon in their garage and they did hair styling in the garage for

[27:15] years and then the R1 district was the overlay and it said you can't operate a

[27:20] business out of your garage, that's like a non-conforming use. but if she had

[27:24] already operated her hair salon um in the business. So, where I' what I

[27:30] was getting at that I've never seen is when you've got a prohibition that you

[27:34] can't possess poultry. [laughter] That's different than that's different

[27:38] than the use of an of an R1 zoning thing.

[27:42] » Well, okay. How's that different? I mean, you're using for for a specific

[27:46] kind of a business versus you're using it for a certain kind of

[27:51] » way of life. Well, it's another way. If if they were selling chickens instead of

[27:56] selling haircuts, what's the difference there?

[28:00] Or is there a difference? I don't >> Yeah, it's not a It's not a business.

[28:05] It's not using It's not using the structure,

[28:09] the use of the property. Uses of the property are about Okay. So, um, R1 is a

[28:16] is a single family residence district and it has all kinds of different things

[28:20] that you can do in an R1, right? R2 is usually multifamily and single family.

[28:24] It has all kinds of things you can do in there. A one says basically you can do

[28:29] anything in A1, right? Kitty bar the door, you can farm, you can do whatever

[28:32] you want in A1. So when we talk about using

[28:37] your single family residence for something other than what's delineated

[28:41] in R1, that's a nonconforming use of the land.

[28:46] See what I mean? Operating operating a hair salon in the single family

[28:49] residence district is a it is is not allowed under R1. You're not you're not

[28:54] supposed to be operating a business in a in an R1. And I I have no idea. Are

[28:58] these folks in an R1? I'm just picking that out of the thin blue air. Is it R1?

[29:03] R1. >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's R. So, so let's

[29:06] look at So, non-conforming uses of land 165 DO5 D05

[29:14] talks about using the land in a different way than what's allowed in

[29:19] that zoning district. So now if we go to R1,

[29:26] which is probably a whole different chapter that I can't get to right now

[29:30] would be my guess because it's our zoning regulation,

[29:34] but I think I can get to that on your website.

[29:42] [clears throat]

[29:52] Maybe I can't. Zoning districts. There we go.

[29:59] Um,

[30:04] okay. Your R1 principal permitted uses. This is what this is what uses are

[30:09] defined as. single family dwellings, churches, public schools, parochial

[30:14] private schools, public parks, public buildings, family homes, home

[30:17] occupations, accessory uses, special exceptions, hospitals, swimming pools.

[30:22] None of these things are they're they're all how you use the

[30:27] property, not what do you possess on the property. See? See what I'm saying? Is

[30:33] the difference? >> Yeah.

[30:35] It's not a We have a prohibition in our code that says you can't have livestock

[30:41] in city limits. >> When when was it question? So you're

[30:44] saying because I live in my house is not considered a house

[30:48] » because my chickens live in the chicken shack or farm in the backyard. That's

[30:53] not considered what they live in the use of what they live in. I live in my

[30:58] house. >> No, you're not understanding what I'm

[30:59] saying. >> You're not understanding what I'm

[31:02] saying. I'm saying R1 has a list of uses of what you can do in R1. And when we

[31:08] talk about non-conforming uses, we're talking about how we use the buildings

[31:13] that are in that R1 zoning district. We're not talking about what's possessed

[31:19] on the buildings.

[31:23] Uses are about how you use the principal permitted structures.

[31:26] chickens live in the chicken coupe that's not used as a chicken coop.

[31:32] » But because I possess the chickens that excludes the chickens. Is that what

[31:36] you're trying to say? >> I mean, I'm not trying.

[31:39] » No, I'm No, I'm I'm read I'm reading the code very plainly. We have an ordinance

[31:43] that says that you cannot possess poultry within city limits. Period. It

[31:48] doesn't say you can't possess poultry within city limits unless you've lived

[31:52] here for 20 years. It doesn't say you can't possess poultry within city limits

[31:56] unless you have a coupe and a chicken house in back and you're accepted by a

[32:01] special building permit. It doesn't say any of those things. It specifically

[32:04] says you can't possess poultry and city limits. Period. It doesn't say unless

[32:10] you've been non-conforming or unless you've got a non-conforming use.

[32:14] Reference 165D. The plain reading of our code says you can't have poultry in city

[32:21] limits. And there's nothing in there that would make any reference to uh

[32:28] raising poultry at that location prior to the enaction of that ordinance.

[32:34] » Not in there. >> I I have I have no there's no reference.

[32:38] There's no reference. There's no reference.

[32:40] » What exactly was it passed that? I I would say that these I mean I'd have

[32:46] to do some major digging, but these are standard code of ordinances that have

[32:50] been around for over 20 years that I've been representing city.

[32:53] » I was going to say we we we had chickens when we bought our house when we moved

[32:57] in there. We had chickens when we in the rental house that we rented in Jessup

[33:01] before we bought our house. >> We had chickens before we even moved to

[33:05] Jessup. >> Does it matter?

[33:06] » So like >> even if they had chickens, we just

[33:08] passed it tomorrow. It's still then against the code. Correct.

[33:12] » If you say that again. So if we just passed the code say a week ago and it's

[33:16] the new code, they have to uphold that, right?

[33:18] » Well, that's what >> I mean it doesn't matter doesn't matter.

[33:21] » I do not believe her grandfathering argument is applicable to chickens is

[33:25] what I'm saying. I would have to research that more. But my my my

[33:29] personal quick gut reaction after not knowing any of this until showing up

[33:34] tonight is that >> the is is is that you can't use a

[33:40] non-conforming grandfather argument on a prohibition against chickens. You can

[33:44] use grandfather non-conforming arguments on uses and and zoning var variances

[33:50] like setbacks and and how you use your structure, but you can't use a

[33:54] grandfathering argument on something that's prohibited. That'd be like the

[33:58] best example. Okay, we've decided to prohibit vaping in city limits, right?

[34:04] So, we're going to prohibit vaping if you're under the age of 21, whatever.

[34:09] Okay. Now, does that mean that the people who used to vape get

[34:12] grandfathered in? >> No.

[34:15] » Doesn't work that way. This is a prospective law, meaning once it's in

[34:19] place, it's followed. Just like new criminal laws are. Once we say that you

[34:23] can't possess marijuana, you don't get grandfathered in because you previously

[34:27] possessed marijuana. >> You can't possess marijuana moving

[34:31] forward. It's prospective. It is applicable prospectively.

[34:35] » So, moving forward, is this a law that can never be changed? No, it absolutely

[34:40] can be changed. A city has home rule. A city has home rule power to go ahead and

[34:46] determine if they want to let chickens be within city limits. And there have

[34:50] been lots of meetings I have sat at at other cities other than just where

[34:53] individuals such as yourself have made applications to city council and have

[34:57] asked them to consider modifying their livestock ordinance to allow chickens.

[35:02] » Okay, that's what I was asking. What is the next step? But we you would look at

[35:06] » Well, my next question is I do in the ordinances that we can make special

[35:10] requests. And so I was wondering if there was a couple things we could

[35:14] consider while you look into the possibility. Um I recommend looking at

[35:19] the different Iowa laws where it had gone to court considering livestock and

[35:23] grandfathering into non-conforming use. It's happening all over in a lot of

[35:27] small towns. And so that's why we're trying to make that argument. And I wish

[35:31] I would have wrote down those specific cases. I'm sorry I didn't because this

[35:35] was again outside work trying to get this thrown together to save our

[35:39] chickens. So, um, but I'm considered that maybe a special request until it

[35:44] can be truly determined to hang on to them so we have more time to properly

[35:50] home them if it is denied. Um, >> you you asked a question when, and I was

[35:58] on the council when the last time we discussed that. And if I had to make a

[36:02] guess, I don't want anybody hold me to this, but I would guess it was

[36:06] approximately three years ago is what I'm I'm guessing.

[36:10] » That's real close on that. I made the request.

[36:12] » What's that? >> I made the request. You would be real

[36:14] close. >> I was here for it.

[36:15] » You were here for it. >> Okay. The ban on poultry has only been

[36:19] within the last few years. >> No, no, no. They made a request to

[36:22] change it like in favor of your folks or wanting. So it's it's been up in the

[36:26] last three years and at that time the council was not in favor of changing it

[36:29] either >> and understand like we do want to follow

[36:32] rules but it was um we thought that how we interpreted non-conforming use that

[36:40] it applied to us. So I just don't want anybody thinking that we're trying to

[36:45] break rules. >> I'm trying to be the ones that get away

[36:48] with something. >> Yeah. And we live right by the bank. I

[36:51] mean, we've been open about having chickens, why it took this long, I

[36:54] guess, if it really has been that banned, why a complaint finally came

[36:58] through. I can give you a reason why, I'm guessing. Um, but regardless, if

[37:03] we're breaking ordinance, we are. Um, what I'm asking is special requests for

[37:06] consideration um

[37:10] to have them until maybe something's determined, a special request, special

[37:15] use, something. Um, we would like to be stewards. I mean, we we they're very

[37:21] healthy chickens. We know we only have five, no roosters. Like, we're very

[37:25] vigilant about understanding how to keep odors down, noise, how to care for them,

[37:31] healthy chickens to pre um prevent pest, rodent control, all that. Um, my son

[37:39] joined FFA years ago simply because we had chickens. They grew an interest. I

[37:44] think it would be a great thing in town for children to have. It teaches

[37:47] responsibility. Um, it teaches stewardship. A lot of

[37:52] kids that live out in the country tend to do more FFA than kids in town. And so

[37:56] I'm very proud that my son Memphis did join FFA. And I know it's because that

[38:01] we have them. Um, I would like to be like that trial person if it is

[38:07] something to be in consideration in town to be like, hey, this is how we can

[38:11] properly care for them. These are the things you need. We have a halfacre lot

[38:14] size. We know five is more than enough. I would say if they're definitely

[38:17] smaller yards, probably not five, but they don't free range in the yard. We

[38:22] have a long enough run for them. Um, they're healthy. There's no issue of

[38:28] odors. We clean it weekly. Like, we're on top of it. As a matter of fact, we

[38:32] all three of us in our house work three different shifts. So, we are all on top

[38:36] of it constantly. Um, I've never felt so hard for an animal, honestly. We've had

[38:42] various pets and It's the one thing that gets me through honestly with I have I

[38:47] guess emptied nest syndrome and everything. It's given me purpose and

[38:50] drive in the day and I feel very proud that they're very well taken care of and

[38:55] they're healthy and regardless of the fact that apparently we're breaking city

[38:59] code and we understand that. We're just trying to figure out a way to [snorts]

[39:03] have a happy medium with this where they can still continue to be taken care of

[39:07] if we can't have. So that's where we're at simply because

[39:12] we might have misinterpreted city ordinance. I guess

[39:17] » yeah, I don't think anybody thinks bad people are trying to down the wall. I

[39:20] don't think that was ever >> Yeah, I don't get that.

[39:23] » Our neighbor does and I'm going to be honest, we have been we live around a

[39:28] bunch of people. We get along great with all of our neighbors except for the one.

[39:31] Um and it definitely plays into a lot why we cannot fix up our home. Cannot

[39:35] because every time we do, he's out there yelling at us. we can't even fix up our

[39:39] house because we're cocooned. And so I just think it's funny that when I

[39:43] finally brought up the concern to our neighbor, all of a sudden now we have a

[39:46] complaint about having chickens. So it's like either you've turned a blind eye

[39:49] the whole time and didn't care until we slided you somehow. So that's where I'm

[39:54] finding this very odd that and we've lived in our house 19 years and this is

[39:59] the first time this has ever come up. [snorts] And that's all I'm saying is

[40:03] that I just think this is kind of retaliatory more than it is that an

[40:07] actual concern we have chickens. Um I am on the Jessup Facebook pages. I do know

[40:12] that there is a huge interest in having them. I get there's going to be some

[40:15] people that don't, but I think that if there is good regulations I'm for the

[40:19] regulations of like how many you can have, no roosters, things like that. And

[40:24] we're already exhibiting that at our house and exhibiting that they are

[40:28] thriving and that the neighbors have had zero issues. the one neighbor until

[40:32] recently. So, I would like to propose it maybe

[40:37] getting something potentially started if we could be that example of how to

[40:42] properly care for the right size and amount of chickens, things like that, or

[40:46] at least initiate steps into getting this going for the town if we can't get

[40:51] personal use out of it.

[40:58] » Josh, do you [snorts] have the text of the uh complaint

[41:03] » the text. >> I I have the the nuisance statement.

[41:06] Why? >> Which one?

[41:08] » The the complaint against >> Oh,

[41:10] » what we're talking about here. >> I have We have the one that was dropped

[41:14] in the mail the mailbox. >> It's not signed. I don't care about

[41:17] » Yeah. Well, if it's not signed, it doesn't matter.

[41:20] » Well, my attention. So, I mean, in theory, it does matter, but it's not an

[41:25] official. No. >> Okay.

[41:28] » But in the end, there is against the code. I mean, they're visually there.

[41:31] » Yeah. I'm I'm just I'm just >> The other the other complaint that I had

[41:36] a few months ago was was by word mom. >> Okay. So, there is no formal complaint

[41:43] against the these property owners. Is that what

[41:46] » There is no formal complaint. >> Yeah. It doesn't It doesn't matter.

[41:51] » Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter. The problem is is we've now been made aware

[41:54] of it and and we now have a violation that we have to address.

[41:57] » Yeah. council

[42:02] have anything else or >> we need to close the

[42:05] » You do need to close the hearing. Yes. So that you can discuss.

[42:09] » So at this time I'm going to close the hearing and then we'll discuss and you

[42:11] guys are welcome to stay and then you'll hear what we have to say too. So

[42:15] » thank you. >> Thank you.

[42:25] » All right. The hearing is closed. I'll open up discussion for

[42:30] the council. Is that the correct way to >> Okay.

[42:34] » So, I guess my biggest is what I'm looking at. It's two different issues

[42:37] here. One, if you want to change ordinance, we got to go about that a

[42:40] different way. And we have an ordinance that's being violated currently the way

[42:44] it's wrote. So, I mean, I think it's two separate issues. If you want to go

[42:49] forward and change ordinance, that's a whole different process. the current

[42:52] current way it reads ordinance is being violated and we got to handle with that

[42:56] » right >> first correct [snorts] is that how you

[42:59] guys are feeling this as well >> is in the past we've had people come to

[43:03] the council wish to change the ordinance and it did not happen at that time it's

[43:07] different councils I'm not saying never but that's has to be done before you get

[43:12] the chicken right >> right it's the way I feel um yeah open

[43:15] up for discussion what you guys have to say as well

[43:21] When we decided this the last time, the people that I talked to, and I know

[43:26] there's a group of people, because I see it, that would like to have chickens. I

[43:30] get that. That's fine. By far and away, the majority of people

[43:35] I talked to in town did not want chickens in town. And me as a citizens

[43:40] of town, I don't want chickens in my neighbor's backyard. And just be

[43:44] perfectly honest with you. Um, that's that's my feeling just um and that was

[43:51] my feeling then and then my feeling hasn't changed. I'll just be honest with

[43:54] you. I just don't think that's something that at this point in time that I feel

[43:59] comfortable changing as far as the city statute.

[44:07] That said, I'm not opposed to giving a couple weeks or, you know, till

[44:13] September 1st or something for you people to to do something with your your

[44:18] birds. But just be up front. That's where I'm at.

[44:26] » Any anybody else? >> Can I speak to a couple other things on

[44:31] the quick just as something that they said? while they're up here. It's just

[44:39] they said something about the I can't remember the name of it. The the chicken

[44:44] uh metal thing >> chicken box. Okay.

[44:49] » So, that box has already been moved. Yes.

[44:51] » And put Okay. So, I guess I just want to make sure that I mean and I'm sure

[44:56] that's the plan. If the if the chickens aren't approved to be there that that

[45:00] stays outside or you know flowers in it or something.

[45:08] » Yeah. Okay. And then I just wanted to address the garbage thing as well. I

[45:12] know that you may or may not have I'm sure you do. I'm not going to question

[45:16] that weekly pickup. Um, the issue, my issue that I would

[45:22] have and that somebody else may have had is that if it sits out for an entire

[45:26] week before it's taken, if that can just be put somewhere else,

[45:31] so it's not sitting outside for a week. I know people have weekly pickup, but a

[45:35] lot of times their garbage doesn't sit curbside or outside their house for a

[45:39] week. Um, and the only reason I say that is because, you know, rodents, animals,

[45:44] stuff like that. That's what concerns me. So, I think if that stuff's kind of

[45:48] out of sight for that week or whatever. I just wanted to see if that could be

[45:53] addressed if need be.

[45:59] » Thanks, Josh. Anything else from the council?

[46:02] » Heather, do you need more time to look into stuff or No.

[46:10] » Um, okay. Would I always love to have three

[46:15] hours to research topics and be able to provide you with an in-depth legal

[46:20] analysis on why I believe my answer is correct? I would always love that.

[46:25] [snorts] Unfortunately, a lot of city government doesn't

[46:28] necessarily allow me the opportunity to do that all the time.

[46:31] » Sounds expensive. [laughter] >> Exactly. So, um, if you're asking me

[46:37] based upon what I'm digging into right now and what I'm seeing right now,

[46:41] whether or not I feel confident in my position that our chicken ordinance is,

[46:47] um, can be upheld and is legally survivable and allows us the ability to

[46:51] prosecute as a municipal infraction, my answer is yes.

[46:53] » Okay, >> fair.

[46:56] » That is my I you know, that that is my gut. And and and again that's after

[47:03] hearing lots of arguments on variances and non-conforming uses and how those

[47:07] zoning overlays a affect things. I have never seen a successful argument where

[47:13] there's a prohibition about doing something in particular and seen that

[47:18] work as a grandfathering. And again, my quick Google search is

[47:22] basically saying that unless when passing the ordinances, unless you

[47:26] specifically put language in about grandfathering a particular prohibition,

[47:31] um it then applies prospectively and everybody's got to follow the law.

[47:36] » This is not >> again, I can keep rattling off things

[47:38] like, you know, I don't know. Trying to think of a good one. Um let's

[47:45] look at your code. >> I'm gonna interrupt for a second.

[47:48] » No, go right ahead. And this ain't the first time we've had an incident like

[47:51] this. What was it? Five, six years ago, we had a a pig. Same process.

[47:56] » Um, exact same progress. So, I mean, >> it's not like it's the first time for

[48:01] just this either. So, just so you're aware of that as well. And I think then

[48:06] that one they gave the family so many days to relocate the pig as well.

[48:13] » Well, this is something I've never considered before. It just didn't cross

[48:17] my mind. I don't if We're going to make some kind of a

[48:24] ordinance that allows a certain number or certain time in a certain space or

[48:30] whatever. Just think of something. Um I don't feel equipped right now to be

[48:35] making any kind of a judgment on that. >> Well, you don't have before you a

[48:39] decision on modifying the ordinance tonight.

[48:41] » No, >> that is not your decision tonight. Do we

[48:43] have the ability to, as Denny said, give them a certain length of time?

[48:49] » Absolutely. >> Okay.

[48:51] » Yes, you can uphold the request for the notice. Basically, you're upholding

[48:58] the request that the chickens no longer be there and with the condition that

[49:03] they be given an additional 14 days, 21 days, whatever, whatever days you want

[49:07] to give them in order to [snorts] find an ulterior an alternative

[49:11] placement. Then if they want, they can put the issue before you all again. You

[49:16] know, they they got to come to the mayor and go, "We're going to we're going to

[49:19] apply and come to a public comment and make our pitch for why we think you

[49:24] should allow six chickens in city limits so long as there's a coupe and no

[49:29] roosters and all of those things." >> Yeah. And then you can amend your

[49:33] livestock ordinance to allow that >> or not.

[49:36] » Or not. >> That's there's two different issues

[49:40] here. the first one. >> Get the first one.

[49:43] » How long is it going to do you think it would take you to find a home for your

[49:47] birds? >> I mean, a few a few weeks in the very

[49:50] least. Um, we do have a few friends that I think

[49:55] will take them. It's just a matter of asking and then lining up just because

[50:02] we all at our house work 12 hour plus shift. So, it's a matter of the

[50:06] logistics because you're talking not just chickens, you're talking and a run

[50:12] in transportation because our very close but close enough that we can transport.

[50:23] So it's a few weeks

[50:30] » I think soil

[50:45] » and it was just reviewed three years ago.

[50:48] » Yeah. >> And we've had

[50:52] my

[50:57] situation. [snorts]

[51:00] » Yeah,

[51:03] I don't know how these people will vote. Um, I appreciate you coming in. Whatever

[51:09] happens, you made a fair argument. Um, I would encourage you, no matter what

[51:14] happens here, that you consider the fact that by definition, you've had chickens

[51:19] illegally to city code for some amount of time. You snuck one bias there. Good

[51:23] work. I say if it if it doesn't go in your favor. Like I encourage you to not

[51:28] look at this as the end of the world. Look at maybe putting a petition

[51:32] together, getting a bunch of people to sign it and put that back in front of

[51:34] us. So So you know, so it gets forced on the agenda. Like this doesn't whatever

[51:38] the vote is, it doesn't have to be the end of it for y'all. I don't know what

[51:41] the right decision is. I don't think anybody even cares what my decision is.

[51:44] So I'm not even going to voice my opinion. But just know you did all the

[51:48] right things today for sure. But that today might mean you have to keep trying

[51:53] to do some more things after that. Okay.

[52:02] » Anybody else have anything? If not, I would like to kind of guide

[52:06] somebody. >> Yep. There need to be a motion in

[52:08] regards to the status of the directive.

[52:19] in favor of >> what did you say? I couldn't hear you.

[52:22] » Uh uphold the two weeks.

[52:26] » Two weeks 14 14 days. >> So you're basically looking at September

[52:31] 1st. >> Yeah. 14 calendar.

[52:33] » You can get her done in 14.

[52:39] » And then to elaborate on he says if you want to change orders, bring back in

[52:43] then you come back talk to me. I get you on the council with your case of why we

[52:47] want to change our ordinance. I would highly suggest, you know, maybe

[52:51] talk to vets and the different, you know, really do your homework on it. You

[52:56] know, what's a good number, why no roosters, uh, square footages on how,

[53:00] you know, go in depth on that. Really present it. Bring some numbers with you.

[53:04] If that's the case, you know, I love chicken. I mean,

[53:10] » I don't find chicken. >> I just don't want them in my backyard.

[53:15] Problem is, but you know what I mean. Denny could be my neighbor. We got to

[53:19] respect each other. So we got to we got to represent the whole community. I love

[53:22] chicken but you know. So that's why I said that would be actually potentially

[53:26] potentially I'm not promising anything you could potentially change or

[53:29] potentially couldn't want to hear a lot more of the fine

[53:33] details if you do bring that forward that point. It's going to take some time

[53:37] to move forward if they make that motion today

[53:42] or anything that

[53:47] Just so you understand that process.

[53:51] » Anybody else have anything? If not, I'll take the motion as we

[53:54] » make the motion we uphold the notice for abatement and allow till September 1st

[54:00] for completion of that >> placement of chicken.

[54:08] » Is there a second? >> Second.

[54:10] » Any other discussion? Roll call vote, please.

[54:17] Cassie, >> yes.

[54:18] » Hamilton, >> yes.

[54:19] » Jones, >> yes.

[54:21] » Yes. >> So, do you guys understand that?

[54:27] » Okay. September 1st, right? >> Or just on September 1st, [snorts] they

[54:33] better be out of there. >> Okay. That's what I'm trying to say. End

[54:36] of day or >> I was going to ask like like say next

[54:41] weekend or something we get them out is call call down have them swing out by

[54:46] the house. Yep. The cages, everything's gone, chickens are gone, and then we're

[54:50] in the clear. You know, >> I don't want to wait till the last day

[54:54] and then you guys come out and >> we don't want to

[54:58] » We don't want to take them away. >> My other question, what if it's a

[55:01] situation like we got the chickens moved, it's a matter of time trying to

[55:04] get the rest of the stuff moved up. It's like having the items itself is an

[55:08] issue. >> Livestock is the most important.

[55:11] » The livestock has to be the 21st year. Bman also has to be whatever else

[55:15] So in your bait also has to be held up and taken care of as well.

[55:18] » So you're saying the chickens, the chicken coupe and the chicken run

[55:22] everything that we >> I have no problem with the chicken. I

[55:26] don't think anybody else does either. >> That building is fine. The chickens are

[55:31] okay to have. >> It was just that nesting livestock that

[55:34] we had for >> you can have that structure.

[55:40] » Okay. If you have any questions, just I do

[55:44] appreciate your open communication. Just give us a call. Reach out to Josh. We

[55:47] want to work with folks too. If you have questions, [snorts] reach out. Let us

[55:50] know. You know, I appreciate having the last minute.

[55:52] » We appreciate your present.

[55:57] » Honestly, we had chicken for so long. [snorts]

[56:00] [laughter] >> We were waiting that for that many

[56:03] years.

[56:06] » We were very about it too. That being said, we will definitely

[56:12] within the time frame have our our taken care of and then that being said, we

[56:19] will be coming in selecting a time and trying to

[56:31] » perfect. Thank you very much for being >> all right. Next one on the agenda is

[56:39] Uh, you got to change the date. >> Oh, man.

[56:42] » So, I assume that's for Labor Day weekend.

[56:46] » Who wants to change that date? >> What do we usually do the following

[56:50] week? Maybe. >> Oh, Wednesday.

[56:54] » Wednesday. >> That is kind of our go-to is the

[56:56] » Yeah, which is always it it helps me because like I can go to the one on

[56:59] Tuesday night and then go to you guys on Wednesday night. I will be electronic. I

[57:02] mean, I'll be remote for that by the way, but

[57:06] » I'd rather not do Wednesday. I've got two other meetings that night.

[57:10] » Okay. >> So, we'd be talking

[57:11] » an excuse to miss this one. >> Yeah, it's totally

[57:15] » Can we wait that long to pay those? >> Well, the seventh was the original.

[57:22] » So, originally on the seventh. >> Oh, I was looking at the wrong day. I

[57:25] see what you're saying. >> Whether or not you want to move it to

[57:27] the eth, right? Tuesday is the eth. Is that what you're saying?

[57:29] » Tuesday be the 8th. Wednesday is what they said the us

[57:36] Thursday >> I will be gone that week.

[57:41] » Not good. >> I'm sorry you took me off my schedule. I

[57:44] was going to need you probably. >> So is there a risk for no quorum that

[57:49] week? >> That's what I that's why I spoke up. I

[57:51] didn't know if we'd have a problem with quorum.

[57:53] » Are you are you gone the week of Labor Day as well?

[57:56] » No. I could be here on the 8th uh the 9th. to be really bad for me.

[58:02] » So, Denny and Andrew, are you two here that week?

[58:05] » As far as I know, >> no, the ninth would be okay. The night

[58:08] would be all right. >> Second.

[58:13] » You're out of town, you said. >> Yes, I am. Sorry.

[58:16] » The ninth I think would be okay >> for me.

[58:21] » September. >> I don't have a life.

[58:24] Nobody else. >> I usually don't. I'd uh I'd include in

[58:28] the motion to move to the say the 9th that since it's in the middle of the

[58:34] month, we skip normal the regular meeting on the 15th.

[58:39] » Can't we pay bills? >> We could pay them on the 9th.

[58:45] » That's a whole another discussion for another time.

[58:47] » One meeting a month in the first place. Do

[58:50] » you want to keep it at seven or seven? Seven. Okay. Council meeting at

[58:55] seven.

[58:58] on September 9th. Anybody have any other discussion?

[59:13] Okay. >> Why don't we just move it to the 14th?

[59:16] It's only It's one >> You got to pay bills.

[59:19] » Five days. >> Well, you're paying You're [snorts]

[59:21] paying the bills on the 14th, right? >> You get paid to go to two meetings a

[59:25] month. Did you read your contract? >> No, [laughter] I didn't.

[59:29] » You should catch that little >> I get [laughter] paid so much.

[59:34] » We should be good with You're going to get an induction paycheck. Well, I would

[59:38] gladly give it >> a motion September 9th at 7 o'clock.

[59:43] » Second motion to second. Any other discussion?

[59:47] » Roll call vote, please. >> Jones,

[59:50] » no. >> Yes.

[59:53] » Bell, >> yes.

[59:55] » Hamilton, >> yes.

[59:56] » Motion carried. >> Next on the agenda is

[1:00:00] » adjourned. Is there a motion? Is there a motion? Is there a second?

[1:00:03] » Yes. I'll second.

[1:00:10] » All in favor say I. >> I.

[1:00:14] » Thank you all. >> Thank you guys.

[1:00:23] » I don't get it. Must get paid. He doesn't want to do the work.

City Council Meeting August 17, 2026

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