[1:10] Well,

[1:49] you'll

[2:14] get

[2:33] what I'm going to do is what I'm going

[3:13] to

[3:51] do with the camera.

[4:05] Hi guys, how are you?

[4:08] We're trying to make the work done right now.

[4:10] And by the way, because I feel it's going to be a good condition.

[4:14] And I'm going to try to turn my camera around and just kind of kind of

[4:18] Can around to see if I can join and use my camera.

[4:25] My phone is a camera to see.

[4:28] So hopefully it'll work. It's really echo in here because the building is empty. Can you hear me okay?

[4:35] Yeah, almost yes, most part.

[4:40] Okay. So I see people in

[4:46] Barbara's hanging in.

[4:50] We're also waiting on the architect.

[4:52] the government should be here in a few minutes.

[11:22] Hi Joel.

[11:30] What did they say was happening?

[11:36] Did they meet you?

[12:04] Okay.

[12:04] I can't hear anybody.

[12:09] Okay.

[12:10] What were you saying, cable?

[12:16] I can hear me.

[12:19] I can hear you, Joel.

[12:21] I can hear you.

[12:25] I can hear you.

[12:30] I can't.

[12:30] Can't you hear me?

[12:51] Guys, I'm going to call back in.

[12:54] Okay.

[12:54] And

[13:18] we have the guests on with us as well as we're just our team.

[13:32] What was that, Barbara?

[13:34] And it's just wondering if the guests or the business owners were joining us as well this afternoon.

[13:40] Sorry, I wasn't clear.

[13:41] Yes, that's my belief, but I think that we're waiting on there.

[13:45] Not sure, not sure.

[14:28] Joe, what are we discussing today?

[14:34] I guess what I would like to discuss is get the height squared away so they can move on

[14:51] and continue developing the plan.

[14:58] I guess when we get started.

[15:00] That's what I'll probably point out. I think there's a lot of still moving pieces that

[15:10] I think they could change the final outcome.

[15:16] Okay.

[15:20] Based on the drawing I've seen.

[15:26] But that's, I mean, it seems like everybody's over there.

[15:28] Yeah, we've got a park park, is Ricky there?

[15:34] So, what you see is that?

[15:37] So, this solution shows the building as a set to act

[15:44] way geophagetic on the front.

[15:46] To give that 45 degree from straight.

[15:49] And if we've got it to work, we've got it to work.

[15:54] Let's get them.

[15:55] Again, we need to get the meeting started.

[15:57] officially right. Okay, I'm this time we'll go to order the design view commission

[16:08] during 18 2020 special call meeting via zoom meetings.

[16:16] We got body, we had body, we had body.

[16:19] see just trying to get back online. Yeah, see we connect them. Yeah, so so so but we have

[16:29] Barbara face line we got Kimberly light four. Tamari is not here. So far that I know.

[16:38] No, it's not. So we can we got three four. I guess we can start four, right? That's three.

[16:47] So, okay. So, I guess we can get started on it.

[16:52] Do we have a quorum?

[16:55] We got three out of five.

[16:59] And by joining.

[17:07] I'll get her back.

[17:11] Yeah, one body to be here.

[17:18] What happened to Bonnie?

[17:22] She's having, I think she's having some connection issues.

[17:25] Okay, we'll take a session on a call.

[17:27] Okay, we got some movement.

[17:29] Nice to meet

[17:37] you.

[17:42] Oh

[17:51] thank

[18:02] you.

[18:35] Wow.

[18:36] I don't know I just some thing dug up up there anyway, the host.

[18:46] So we got less people now.

[18:49] So we got serious connectivity issues.

[18:56] I like it on the front.

[18:57] I think that resessing it on the back gives a different a better view for the tinnitus, but

[19:11] there we go. There's cable back.

[20:37] All right, what's we're supposed to get back? That's a little bit of a

[20:46] are

[20:49] you a side table and they be outside I mean you

[20:58] break and we've got better lighting outside if well the thing for being outside is

[21:06] there's so much traffic we're not gonna be able to hear because of cars yeah okay

[21:10] there's Bonnie Bobby's about hey Bonnie we missed you can we call this an order now

[21:17] Yeah, let's go. So we got, we just, we, we call the meeting to order. We have now bodies,

[21:24] sugarabbi, Barbara Casey Lane,

[21:29] Barbara either. Yes, I'm here. And we got Kimberly light for

[21:33] and temporary dowel. It's not present. But we have a, a motion to approve the agenda for today's

[21:43] Special meeting. I'll make a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda for the day, special meeting.

[21:50] All in favor say aye.

[21:52] I still can.

[21:53] Any opposed?

[21:55] All right.

[21:56] We move on to winners keep all businesses.

[21:59] Not all businesses new business.

[22:01] We're not talking about restaurant loft apartments, 128 South Main Street.

[22:06] All right.

[22:07] So, go ahead David.

[22:13] Well, Mr. Dave, I'll get you going.

[22:18] Yeah, here we go. Yeah, I'll hear you now.

[22:21] Look at the summer, since Tuesday, a lot of things cleared in our

[22:31] variable loader in the option D on the outside. Is that correct?

[22:40] Correct. We're breaking up, but I think. Yeah, we can hear you in the first, before you say

[22:45] actually be David. Yeah. The black he's talking about the black lower.

[22:55] He's a person.

[23:08] Maybe they shouldn't connect to Wapah. Y'all connected to Wapah.

[23:15] They're the

[23:18] home. One no wait.

[23:20] All right. Yeah. No. What out again? OK. There you go.

[23:26] All right. So I was just saying when the smoke cleared Tuesday, we had come up with a consensus that

[23:33] option B, the color scheme, design of the exterior of option B was what was agreed upon?

[23:39] The darker color, right? The black is a bottom view.

[23:45] Correct. The way that's the point option B. Now, during that time, the architect, the adult

[23:51] session and others come up with some drawing so show you in a minute. It will show us the patio.

[24:03] Speed back, speed back, so these staggered back for the loss, the ways incorporated that idea into it.

[24:13] And I'll explain that more detail in a minute.

[24:16] The other thing was about was the height of course and right now the weight is from the size wall

[24:24] to the very top of the top of the very top wall, the 47 feet forances. So that's a

[24:37] top

[25:06] of the

[25:16] We can hear you.

[25:20] We can hear you.

[25:23] Hello.

[25:25] Welcome.

[25:28] Okay, can you hear me now?

[25:31] I can hear you.

[25:32] I cannot see you.

[25:33] I can hear you.

[25:39] Okay.

[25:44] Okay.

[25:45] I can hear you.

[25:46] Excuse me.

[25:48] Everybody hear me.

[25:49] Say this.

[25:52] Let me know if we lose it, but what we do is suggest you call the front of the building.

[26:07] I think we lost you.

[26:25] All right.

[26:29] Can you hear us okay?

[26:33] I hear you now.

[26:35] I think you have to give that a chance for you to think of that very well, and if you can see from the drawing, there's a version that you can do.

[26:53] Hey, I think you'll have to film it.

[26:54] And the version is to be back on.

[26:57] We'd like to be back on.

[26:59] It's like a pillow bottom.

[27:00] It was still at that point. No, we cannot see you. We saw. We can hear you in and out, but.

[27:11] Your picture is frozen. Yeah, your picture is frozen. I'm in and out as well.

[27:20] Hey, cable.

[27:21] I'm checking to see if anybody remembers what the fig tree Wi-Fi password is.

[27:27] because, yeah, it's not everything at all.

[27:29] To log in to save tree.

[27:34] But can they, will it come through the far wall, though?

[27:37] I don't know.

[27:39] I'm thinking that if you can check to see if you could see that Wi-Fi as an option.

[27:45] I'm trying to see if I have any remembrance of what it was.

[27:55] One of the bad, it's not happening from the back.

[28:02] Or Clay.

[28:04] Wait, no, it doesn't. Then the website.

[28:07] They do.

[28:07] They open.

[28:12] Because at this point, I mean, we know what the inside of the building looks like.

[28:16] So if they can go to play arts, Clayton, then that would be cool.

[28:24] Yeah, if you can stand outside, you know, we rather hear the noise,

[28:29] car noise and being able to see and hear it then nothing and nothing. Yeah. We could try

[28:37] if they can step aside away from those brick buildings. Maybe they can get better signal.

[28:51] Well, we can talk about it. I mean, we already started a facial meeting.

[28:57] The Joel, can I ask you a question? Is it your understanding that the client is on the broad

[29:02] or from the South Main Street sidewalk from the South Main Street sidewalk. That's I think that's what I was able.

[29:10] From there of 45 feet. 47 feet, but it seems like this, the 40th level. They pushed the

[29:18] build them back 47. They pushed the build them back, which might be high, but I'm leaning towards,

[29:27] You know, they can go 35 feet and angle it and they can go higher if, you know, you know, if, if, if, if, if, if you need to be on either side of, of the building.

[29:43] So, and I think 47 if you go by that rule, they can, it's still possible.

[29:53] Okay, so what you're saying is that it's not a good boy case, it's too possible.

[30:00] We'll take the bill back from the street to give some relief, visually.

[30:04] Yeah, so I'm leaning towards just to keep it, keep it within the rules and not trying to reinvent.

[30:14] So if you get in front of the building, so if you can go straight up 35 feet and then angle it at 45 feet,

[30:24] And then if you need to feed more, so once you angle it, then you can go higher, but from the street, you see 35 and then, like, for example, you can set back the second level,

[30:38] second level of harmony, you can set that back, but the first one could be right against the facade and the same thing on the back.

[30:46] Yeah, it doesn't do us any advantage to do it to do that. We just, we just said both of them back. It's not a problem.

[30:53] Okay. The way the drawing shows, the way this drawing shows, this drawing shows the front facade.

[31:01] Okay, this painted this color.

[31:03] And these people standing here, they're at the perfect level because the building sits back about eight feet.

[31:09] Oh, yeah, we don't see that well, but that's pretty cool. That's good.

[31:13] Yeah, it really looks good.

[31:14] And then we just go up with the back portion sheer, you know, sheer matter. We think that much will.

[31:21] Because we don't gain anything, it's not that we, we don't gain anything inside the living units by staggering one of the other.

[31:29] Because the living units are towards the rear.

[31:31] So, and what up front facade can demonstrate?

[31:33] And what about the back? Because the back, it seems like you're existing wall facade.

[31:37] It's a lot lower than your original drawing, so I mean, you can gain some height from that on the back on broad street.

[31:46] What happens to the back? Because the back is about 9 or 10 feet below grade, you have that.

[31:52] Then once you get up to that level, at the main floor level, it goes up the main floor level, which is about 10 feet.

[32:00] And then there are other two levels.

[32:03] So that's why it seems like it's higher, that is actually the same, but you have a lower section

[32:08] in the back.

[32:09] And we try to give us some definition by putting voice in the back where the back and these

[32:14] are.

[32:14] So it does step back, create shadows, and create voids back there.

[32:19] We couldn't take anything out of that as for a step in the back where you had it, because

[32:23] we would lose so much in the units, it just makes it no practical to even have units up there.

[32:28] It makes the units around.

[32:32] The original store, I think, that you're sitting in now, has what 12 or 15

[32:37] seedlings, are you adjusting that ceiling height internally?

[32:44] It stays the same. And it what happens is above the ceiling,

[32:48] in front of the store, there's a parapet outside that goes up to two or three feet.

[32:54] And then our floor store there. And the way we're going to keep from

[32:58] this building. We're going to put columns about every 20 feet on both sides to match the historic

[33:05] aspect that is building. We'll box them out or have steel columns painted a color that

[33:10] matches the brick or whatever. Those are going to go up, punch a small hole through this existing

[33:15] ceiling all the way up to the roof and we're going to create a brand new floor that Hoover is at the

[33:27] But all the way up to support those new floors without the building, without the existing building have to take any of that loan.

[33:38] That's what we were going to do in the cafe when we were going to bounce or bump the front entrance back.

[33:47] Yeah, that's what I thought I needed to happen because I didn't see how those existing brick was going to be able to support that but that's structure.

[33:54] Because, especially in the end, we're not going to clear it.

[33:59] Okay.

[34:00] So, so.

[34:00] Side walk.

[34:02] But you're part of a wall, a slope from, from, from,

[34:07] Main street towards broad street.

[34:09] It does slopes.

[34:11] Yes.

[34:12] Yes. So, what's going to happen?

[34:13] Yeah.

[34:14] That's a slope.

[34:15] That would be a, that would be a feeling.

[34:19] On top of the existing brick with, with wood

[34:22] to match the second level, in the third level, so that'll be a feeling and because it does slow.

[34:29] But we're not going to rest, but it really hits the floor, the new floor, it's all supported by the structure.

[34:36] So that feeling has very little weight in the feeling.

[34:38] Let me ask you to take a flash.

[34:41] Can you create two floors system, one for the front units and another one for the other units?

[34:49] and you can you can lower because if you lower your your apartment units, you know,

[34:56] you know, it helped with the skill of the building but it also helped with your flights.

[34:59] As in the back on Broad Street, you're talking about 57 feet.

[35:04] Hi. Right. Yeah. And I think they've been going there for a while over here.

[35:09] Yeah. And they've been creating, we're not creating.

[35:12] But we're not creating a new 5 to 7 foot level. It's just the building is lower there. So if you

[35:17] you from the Grail back to the top, yes, 50, 50, but from the first street where it just looks

[35:24] as a whole because the broad street is a brand new vignette, like it's going to be our new showcase

[35:32] for Jonesboro. So to have one building that is substantially taller than everything else in the block

[35:39] is what the concern is. So on broad street it becomes more pronounced and height difference

[35:45] than even on Main Street, which I think is pretty extreme as it is already.

[35:50] Unless fig tree matched it sometime and added a second layer or Clayton art added to kind of balance it out.

[35:58] But right now it's just all by itself, I mean, let me ask David, excuse me, let me ask David, what was the final height for the Ferguson building with the deck?

[36:24] Yeah,

[36:28] with the, as it is now, right around, I think, close, like close to 31 and then it was made a little bit higher for the rooftop Mexican restaurant.

[36:42] Then it's EA Madden building, we estimated 33 to 34, we'll probably close to 34 feet as it is right now.

[36:55] Okay, I was thinking that with the rooftop deck that it would go up a little higher, therefore wouldn't, you know, so different, but okay, that's the reason I'm trying to check the height for everything.

[37:11] Mr. Washington has these, this system, have you used this before another municipalities, the steel system you're talking about?

[37:19] No, it would be a wood system or still it could be the one.

[37:23] But the question is, you used all the time,

[37:26] but it's a pretty small structure.

[37:27] No, you know, in downtown, in downtown Fadeview,

[37:31] they have a twisted taco and they added the bar

[37:34] on the second level and the roof terrace.

[37:37] And when I went there, it does, that was the way.

[37:40] It was still being scary in all the way

[37:42] from the bottom, because that's the way it can support it.

[37:46] I don't see, I mean, that break is not reinforced.

[37:50] I don't, I don't, I don't know any string in here that would satisfy that, but yeah, life right.

[37:57] Washington is suggesting dust, I think, is a superstructure that's going to come inside.

[38:04] Which is new.

[38:08] And you can, you can make a quarter of structure.

[38:12] Yeah, because you're building on either side, helping to support,

[38:15] keep it up. So basically it has all its support from the bottom up to be able to hold its its its and to go up that high

[38:24] much higher than the rest. So that's got basically building a basically building the silver frame

[38:31] from the base all the way up and then it the floor structure goes above that. It's got all the time.

[38:38] Can I ask you a specific that the neighbors went on either side so if they chose to add a second layer

[38:45] at a future time that they could use that structure to help them build on, so it becomes an investment in the, in the, in the second story additions to everyone's building.

[38:57] Oh, not.

[38:59] No.

[39:00] That wouldn't work.

[39:01] You'd say you would call for me.

[39:06] Well, that, basically, which is suggestion is he, that he invests his money into, into a potential future support for someone else that may not ever happen.

[39:15] I've, it'd be exorbitant, it'd be expensive to do that. No, no, no, that's what I mean.

[39:21] I miss that. I'm sorry.

[39:23] They all have to be independent.

[39:24] The only thing I was asking is if they build this structure from the bottom up, you basically

[39:28] have an a standalone building. Does that benefit Clayton art and the fig tree if they

[39:33] should want it a later date to add a second floor that they can actually tie into that

[39:38] build on theirs with their own superstructures too, but it then becomes the start of

[39:45] a second floor edition project on all of Main Street, for all those little buildings.

[39:53] But he said no.

[39:54] I don't have a solution for that.

[39:56] The solution I have, they can hire me.

[39:57] We can design something for them.

[40:00] I have a solution like to see a review.

[40:03] No, I think no.

[40:11] I'm not sure how we address the young legislation about the back of the building. I mean, it is what it is and try to fight.

[40:27] So talking David about camouflaging fire skates?

[40:33] Yes. But we talked about the debate of the

[40:35] talking really. Right. Was that doable

[40:36] that camouflaged the fire skates at the back?

[40:39] No, we talked about the, they were going to the fire

[40:41] Marshall mentioned. The fire Marshall mentioned on that

[40:43] that that we'd be able to keep being improved as to how

[40:46] the fire skates that wouldn't be on these

[40:47] point with the allow you fire each person inside the

[40:51] apartment to have a fire skate ladder that they could

[40:53] hang over the top of the back to get down. So wouldn't be

[40:58] Okay, okay, it's not the throw beside a case of a fire, okay, yeah, it's with a scape out the front.

[41:09] Well, they can escape out front or the back because we've designed it with the help back and zone both ends.

[41:17] Oh, that's very far back units.

[41:22] That's a back there.

[41:23] There's a back there out of the rear master.

[41:26] There's a back there out of the rear master.

[41:28] And there's a back there out of the front of the building.

[41:30] So they have, they can do it both ways.

[41:32] Okay, so are there, then.

[41:34] Okay, there are two units per floor.

[41:36] That's right.

[41:37] Okay, that's cool.

[41:38] So it goes from front to back.

[41:40] I got you.

[41:42] Okay.

[41:43] One of the things we really wanted to do is we,

[41:47] in this perspective option,

[41:48] we show windows on the side on both sides but it's just dreaming because we know we can't do that

[41:54] because at some point somebody may be able to next to them and they can't put windows on the side

[41:58] but we're just showing what it will look like with the hands and we show that in the plan too.

[42:03] Now if he passed the air right on both sides, we're just building windows. That's something we'll have to discuss.

[42:12] You know, guys, something to think about with the height, I get it. It's 47 feet as tall,

[42:17] certainly would stick out. But if you're on board with a concept of four apartments, two on each

[42:27] level, and you certainly want the ten foot ceilings as opposed to this eight or nine,

[42:34] you're automatically looking at 40 feet right there. So you're talking about the difference between

[42:40] 40 feet, which you absolutely must have in 47 feet. So, you know, I realize that maybe it's

[42:48] simplifying a little bit much, but kind of puts in perspective a little bit too.

[42:54] With the beach unit.

[42:57] Well, I mean, they're about to go ahead. They're far, well, down the middle.

[43:05] So they're about 13 feet, we side.

[43:09] It's about 13 feet.

[43:10] I have to look at the plan here.

[43:11] But he did this.

[43:14] Just enough to create living room space, bedroom space.

[43:18] I mean, these are tight units, but they work.

[43:28] So David, when you say, we wanted the ceiling high to be higher.

[43:36] I thought that was what it was really upon.

[43:37] That was certainly make a nicer dwelling in a bigger price point.

[43:45] I think condos like these I think nine feet would be an adequate

[43:52] and that's where the

[43:55] that's where we're showing in any way in their plans right like we're not forcing them

[44:00] still in high. No, no that's okay we've actually done two options one with nine

[44:11] to see the hikes, the other one with higher chin for ceiling hikes.

[44:16] Okay.

[44:17] The chin is definitely appealing for sales.

[44:21] So nine foot, a lot of it's going to put you at 45 degrees.

[44:26] Now, I think the biggest, the biggest you for me and for my structural engineers to move

[44:31] fast is we need to make sure that we can go at step in the building by which we think

[44:37] everybody agrees that's nice.

[44:38] and having it at a perfect level of height and not down on the height and not on top of the rules.

[44:46] Okay, we really what we need to know.

[44:48] All right, okay. Yeah, that's what I was getting at.

[44:51] I mean, I think we need to lock that lock thing on on what kind of height we're going to be able to accept or improve recommend basically recommend.

[45:00] And then, so that you can give moving on, because there is to be a lot of elements, you know, the first aid, the trade, and you have to deal with how we, you know, bring those people out of the building, and we're going to have to add more doors, in this, all the elements that still need to be, you know, looking to, but I think, I'm at the time, myself, so I think the big, the big kids to get the hype.

[45:31] settle. The foys, the foys, when you, when you, when you, when you put it

[45:39] into the back, are you talking about only on the front or on both sides?

[45:45] On, on, on all the on the front, on the building lines up with, in the building lines

[45:50] up with the sides, all the way back, in the back, in the back, in the back, yeah,

[46:00] building and if you look, if you step the building back and you go 35 feet high, you know,

[46:08] from the front and then you go in an angle, 45 degree angle, you probably, you know, you probably

[46:16] okay with that height probably, we have to see a drum that illustrates that probably on the front.

[46:23] I do think that looks good, yeah, if you look at, I don't know if you have the pages of

[46:32] front of you, but A5 point B, then you have the pages in front of you, Mr. Villas, a collaboration.

[46:39] Yeah, do, or somewhere in the computer, A5 point A5 dot B, that's a page, that's a very

[46:52] Yeah, that's going to be option B-A-5.

[46:57] It'll be on the, it'll look like this.

[47:05] I'll show you.

[47:07] Even from our last meeting.

[47:09] I'll show you.

[47:11] Yeah.

[47:14] I'll show you here.

[47:15] Yeah, so what happens is.

[47:16] What extra floor are we not?

[47:20] Say that one time, Bonnie.

[47:28] you got to see that? Okay, we haven't got the new revised. Yes. Yeah, this is the latest

[47:37] revised, so this revision is the existing front, this is the paraphrad of the existing front.

[47:43] This is the building sitting back about eight feet back, and that's what you would see from elevation point.

[47:50] Now, it's still designed, this one's designed to be sitting on top of the roof, so it's a little lower, so our overall height drops about four or five feet.

[48:03] What he's straight back, and it comes in, it helps with the outcome of the state, from the state of the 43.

[48:10] Yes, and this overall height is 43 feet five inches, because we're not only set it back, we also set it down on top of the roof, not the parapet.

[48:19] on the top of the roof, and we'll start our simple structure from there and build around that and go vertical.

[48:26] That's more difficult because we're forcing us to deal with the existing structure, which is already fragile.

[48:33] Yeah, but you're creating a new system, right?

[48:37] Well, yes.

[48:39] But we have to deal with everything on the sides here, and on the sides here, at the section level.

[48:45] And when we do our building section, just go clear all this up for you, but that's what this

[48:50] will look like.

[48:52] Now, let me show you the other drawing of what it would look like from the back of this

[48:56] option.

[48:57] Then I'll show you a third drawing would build a sitting up front and not pushed back.

[49:06] So, this is the rear of the building.

[49:09] From the bottom all the way up, you have a, from the bottom, you go up and you have railings

[49:15] about 10 feet up off of the terrace level from the Honda building.

[49:21] And then you have the rest of the existing building here, and then above that, thank you so much.

[49:29] That's a lot higher.

[49:30] So let me start over.

[49:31] So this is the lower level, down here, right here, with the terrace we're going to put in

[49:37] so you can go in from the back.

[49:38] Then you have a balcony.

[49:40] This is the main level where we are now.

[49:42] You'll be able to go out the back of here to go and join views on the back street.

[49:47] And all this to get revised as a goal is choosing the type of railings and all that to be historic.

[49:54] Once you get to the top, then the new building starts here, two levels.

[49:59] And these are set back of three or four feet to create voids so that you have shadows and glazing.

[50:07] But that's the best we could do is line it up,

[50:10] but set it back inside to get the same amount of room inside

[50:15] without losing square footage.

[50:18] It's a very difficult problem.

[50:23] You know what you see up here,

[50:25] if you see up here is way in the front,

[50:27] really we shouldn't even show it.

[50:28] It's way in front at the street level.

[50:31] This is a back top level maximum.

[50:34] But you take this back in one, two units on the back, can you lower them closer to where

[50:44] they exist in, pop and ease instead of rebuilding your property with your brick.

[50:53] If we do that building height, if we do that, well, because it slopes from front to back,

[50:59] If we do that, Mars will take the whole floor system out here, the whole ceiling system and create a new floor system.

[51:06] That's what we try to avoid because if you do that back here, it's like a crochet.

[51:12] You're scraping the front of the pie to get it to be level.

[51:16] I know you know what I'm talking about most of you is because it's because it drops further back here.

[51:20] There doesn't a front. You're going to be like, it's like a pie wedge that you're creating.

[51:27] It'd make it where it'd be very difficult to do that, it's still maintain the integrity

[51:32] and the front.

[51:41] Let me show you a side view, maybe you'd understand it.

[51:47] You're creating a new floor system, correct?

[51:51] Yes, sir.

[51:53] So, if we look down from the side, this is the front street, this is the back.

[52:01] This is where it drops all the way down in the back, where my hand is here.

[52:06] This is a lower level way down from here to here is, you know, almost 50 feet or so.

[52:13] In the front, you're only talking about from the street level here up to here.

[52:20] I'm sorry, from here up to here.

[52:23] We're going to street level to here versus great level to here.

[52:28] So what I'm saying is, if we drop this down to this point where the prophet is back here,

[52:34] Because it's paired with a slope from here up to here, you then have to shave and cut this part of the floor where you might as well take the floor out.

[52:43] So we try to move or above the floor with the whole thing.

[52:47] And we'll start and we'd have to stir being the existing building.

[52:50] So there'll be some infield with developing our sections, but that's the only way we can see that work.

[52:56] I think the key is, let us develop those sections and show you how that work, how we support that.

[53:04] That's my because there's going to be a lot of circulation happens that you have to look into and

[53:20] I'm in general.

[53:25] It doesn't, it's not feasible.

[53:28] then for the client to only put up one floor because then I think we'd be satisfied if you're not

[53:35] having extra height of that extra floor and you get to add two, two, two unit that are four.

[53:45] Two is a floor. Wow, I can't do four anymore. He's saying this totally unfeasible to do two

[53:52] to be able to get a ROI, a returning investment,

[54:01] to satisfy the high required requirement.

[54:04] What kind of structure is that? What the decisions existing, the existing structure that

[54:10] existing is a wood structure that is a wood structure that's a wood structure that's a wood structure that's

[54:26] process,

[54:29] mine's to get my, oh, no, there, they, they, they have to get it there, based on a Google

[54:37] picture, I saw, so the practice slopes, and also the roof, the actual roof membrane is actually

[54:42] slopes towards back, so the structure kind of slopes. So, you know, they're played by lowering the

[54:50] The only way of having to chair out the existing roof training.

[54:58] We would rule above that roof at the front parapet level and go straight back horizontally.

[55:04] I understand that's that floor.

[55:09] That's the issue for me, that on the back.

[55:14] But in what creates our high degrees right there.

[55:17] Matt, Matt, I ask you a question Mr. Washington as I'm just looking and listening to what everyone is saying.

[55:23] How, how, how soon would you be able to show us the systems and sections so that we understand, you know, just how you're planning to build it and why maybe even some of the hour suggestions are not working with how you guys plan to build this out so that everyone's on the same page.

[55:43] I think we can have sections done by Monday, Monday up to noon.

[55:50] I've been able to email the sections in the further development of the plan,

[55:55] because we're working on this every day.

[55:57] I think I may have one potential solution.

[56:00] One potential solution might be this,

[56:02] since the roof slopes,

[56:04] we may be able to go and create steps inside the units

[56:08] to drop us down another couple feet on the front

[56:12] And then as you go towards the bed rooms in the back, drop it down another couple of feet

[56:16] that'll give us four feet, difference height in the back.

[56:19] But you still need four feet, four feet last time.

[56:24] It will be approximately four feet lower if we step it inside the units.

[56:30] That's one for a schedule to do that.

[56:33] We step it from when you get past the kitchen, we step it down a couple,

[56:37] when you get close to the master bedroom, we step it down two more feet that is.

[56:41] And two feet would be four steps.

[56:43] So it's a total of eight steps,

[56:48] and approximately six steps, the seven-inch steps, can I do this?

[57:00] The operation I think that, you know, in general, I think we in favor of the development, you know, I think it'll be beneficial if you work a little work all day in

[57:12] working of how to make the work,

[57:14] whether the elevator's gonna be,

[57:16] because not that we care about how the units

[57:18] are gonna be the inside,

[57:20] but how you work that out,

[57:22] gonna affect how you don't get people out,

[57:26] and you may need some fire exterior in there.

[57:32] You know what I'm talking about about that?

[57:35] And if our boss was all good with all that,

[57:37] this is mainly, you guys would like exterior design elements.

[57:42] Yeah, but I understand that but in the workings of the inside it could impact how the outside is going to play that

[57:50] So, so that's true

[57:56] Actually actually I have to just agree with you on that because the elevators are beyond the front glass

[58:02] So you won't see the elevators from the front side and through the glass

[58:08] But you're going to have a fire exit from the inside of the building to the outside.

[58:15] So fire means of egress, like you're going to have somebody.

[58:18] That's what we're doing.

[58:20] Yeah.

[58:21] Yeah, we talked to the fire much about that.

[58:23] He's got a, he's approved to talk further discussing, allowing us to help the clients

[58:28] use the stairs to get out in case of the, the ladders that you throw over the balcony

[58:33] to get out in case of a fire.

[58:35] Because that's the prevailing way it's done in counties around you

[58:41] So we were trying to you'll do something like that. So you have only excavator and no, no, any other stairwell going up and down

[58:49] So if the elevator's down, nobody can get in or out and chill that elevator's repair

[58:56] But if we if we put stairs in it's gonna eat up

[59:02] Yeah, I don't think, yeah, yeah.

[59:05] Yeah, I'm saying this because, you know, that's kind of, but, okay, so.

[59:13] Guys, let me inject something else in here.

[59:16] The design review as a design board.

[59:20] It takes some pressure off of y'all.

[59:22] Yeah, I don't have to approve a height,

[59:24] but that's put a mayor and council to that's why they made a big buck to decide that.

[59:28] So, y'all have to sort of have to approve a number for a height.

[59:32] How

[59:35] can we best help today?

[59:40] Can you have a suggestion on how we can best help today to move it forward and what else we need?

[59:47] Well, you've already approved the option to be in terms of the colors in the general design.

[59:52] You've had a good input on the field.

[59:55] If you're sealing the fire, it's good.

[59:57] But you've also had good input on the front side.

[1:00:00] For the patio, so that's all good stuff that's been worked out.

[1:00:10] Okay, so then we're so based on Barbara's question, we've satisfied what you guys need from us at this point, with just our vote on the color and the suggestion and the recommendation being.

[1:00:25] We're seeing by the architect and the owner of stepping it back. So we're.

[1:00:30] I mean, they've cast her lots with the height they want, so to speak.

[1:00:37] So that's going to be up to the council and mayor to decide what are they agree or disagree

[1:00:41] with that.

[1:00:41] And certainly what y'all provided is provided good input is to enhancing the design.

[1:00:48] Great.

[1:00:49] And then I think that our discussion is that I still have a level of discomfort at the height

[1:00:55] that they're proposing and we're trying to help them find a reasonable way to

[1:01:00] I wish the same business plan, but yet not throw off the whole aesthetics of Main Street by having a completely two story building put on top of the existing facade.

[1:01:12] So for me, my feedback is it's still too tall, and especially when on the broad street, you've actually gone a little even a more extreme to the height because of that.

[1:01:24] So the only reason I'm entering into conversation

[1:01:26] more was trying to find wind winds.

[1:01:31] But it sounds like you're right.

[1:01:33] You can are married to the plans,

[1:01:35] and you're not willing to take off a floor,

[1:01:37] which would keep us within the height constraints.

[1:01:40] And also look nice.

[1:01:43] So like you said, David, for me,

[1:01:45] I think that that's up to the council

[1:01:47] to decide those things.

[1:01:49] No.

[1:01:50] I'll also recommendation as a design review committee

[1:01:53] And my recommendation, I mean, my personal obligation, I would like to see, you know, keep the 35 feet on both sides, taking from the street levels or not from the basement level from from from the street levels, particularly on broad street, which should help you because

[1:02:10] 35 free high, and then you can go 45 degree angle, and then you can state the

[1:02:17] verb, whatever you need to accommodate those higher seedings or whatever, that will be my

[1:02:22] recommendation and we are having to go into details about things like that. How you want to

[1:02:28] accomplish that, I'll be up to you, and you can choose not to do any setback from the front

[1:02:34] on the first level, because it meets the 35 field height, but on the second level, they

[1:02:42] will may have to be set back a little bit, just to compare with the 45 degree angle rule.

[1:02:47] And this is, this is in line with many cities, many, and I'm sure comfortable recommending

[1:02:53] that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the consummate, the side otherwise.

[1:02:59] I thought you agreed on the set, but we showed it, set it back from the perfect level, back in feet, and then you left the 45.

[1:03:09] And that's fine. And your building might be higher, but what I'm saying is that you may already be on the 35 with a 45 degree angle and still comply with 47, 48, 49. So that's what I'm saying.

[1:03:24] but we don't have anything to see how it's working,

[1:03:28] but that would be my basically 35 free,

[1:03:35] and then 45 degree angle,

[1:03:37] and whatever height you need it,

[1:03:38] to be 47 feet in a still comply with that rule.

[1:03:46] You follow me?

[1:03:47] No?

[1:03:49] So is that your recommendation?

[1:03:52] That's what I'll feel comfortable,

[1:03:53] recommend because

[1:03:58] he's still got plenty to work around those rules and how to make all this

[1:04:03] happen and make it work.

[1:04:07] I think what you say is I think I hear you saying is the way we've shown all the

[1:04:14] the stretch where sets back of the paper you like that and that's from the ground level

[1:04:20] It has a 45 chamfer, but if you measure it is still, if you measure it, an angle plane is still that I've seen, it's still a bit around 45 feet.

[1:04:32] Yeah, yeah, I'm just fine. What are you looking at?

[1:04:35] Yeah, but it's fine because he said, if you're at the street right here.

[1:04:42] If you look at the photos, let me share my screen.

[1:04:46] If you look up this way, I'll set it for you, but because the bill says back, I said it back, but he's saying maybe we have to set this second floor.

[1:04:54] I'll look at the wall.

[1:04:57] Let me show you mine.

[1:05:02] You're showing me the screen.

[1:05:10] You see this live right here?

[1:05:12] Can you see?

[1:05:13] Am I showing the screen or not?

[1:05:17] This is my screen.

[1:05:19] Your screen's favorite.

[1:05:21] Oh, no.

[1:05:23] How do I? I'm going to like you got like a dome kind of structure here. This is next up. No, I always see as your dick.

[1:05:34] My next up. No. I'll say with it now.

[1:05:39] Is he enough?

[1:05:42] Yeah. So what you're saying is.

[1:05:46] I see you sit back. This is what you set me originally. What we did was we did better than that.

[1:05:51] We said it back, and we would straight up with it.

[1:05:53] We didn't come back over over the scale 50th hand.

[1:05:57] And that's fine.

[1:05:58] I know over, that's fine.

[1:06:00] That's fine.

[1:06:00] Yeah, that's fine.

[1:06:01] We get that.

[1:06:02] Well, I'm saying that you can reclaim all of that

[1:06:04] or some of these two if you need to.

[1:06:06] And on the back, the same rule.

[1:06:09] And that if you go over a couple of feet over here,

[1:06:12] like for example here, then you can apply for a variance,

[1:06:14] and I think we'll be open for that,

[1:06:16] because the majority

[1:06:20] may understand this.

[1:06:23] So the front we okay with you straight up, but I see all the difference in it. You said it on top of the roof at the front roof. We dropped it down to the top of the roof and then it goes straight back, but keep in mind the roof slopes continually. So that we still infield there. So that's why you got your difference in height at the blue versus the top. Yes. And this is now moving the pan to move your screen to the back of the building.

[1:06:53] This is the back.

[1:06:55] Look, we're at the front now. Can you go to the back section?

[1:06:59] This is the front. Can you pan to the back?

[1:07:03] You see this is great.

[1:07:05] For all to the back.

[1:07:06] Scroll to the back.

[1:07:08] The black side view.

[1:07:10] I just, I know.

[1:07:11] Thank you.

[1:07:12] So that one.

[1:07:15] What's the only thing?

[1:07:16] I think what Barbara's concerned was in terms of the height.

[1:07:20] If we could somehow set it back and get some variance there.

[1:07:23] Bonnie, Bonnie's concerned.

[1:07:25] Bonnie, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Bonnie.

[1:07:28] I don't see, I'm having a hard time with that one, because that directly affects the size of the units inside.

[1:07:34] And it's going to take some square footage out.

[1:07:36] We already limited to a small unit as it is.

[1:07:39] I mean, it would literally make the bedroom unusable at the master bedroom.

[1:07:47] So I don't know how we get past that impact.

[1:07:50] Now, sitting it down from where we handed up here on the private level to this level,

[1:07:55] way you have the lower level with the scale figure is. Essentially we have to take the ceiling

[1:08:01] out just read that that become the bottom of our four system and just do it that way which

[1:08:08] we can make work but is more specific for the owner to do it that way. But it helps with the height

[1:08:14] that Bonnie was concerned about. So the whole height restrictions will we all sort of fight in here.

[1:08:33] I think the other thing is, I think there has to be compromise. I think there has to be compromise because also the decision is on city council as it relates to the variance and if the applicant is saying we're willing to work with the height on the front end, we can accommodate the back end, based upon we still need to be able to see.

[1:08:52] to make the return back. I think that's the reasonable accommodation.

[1:08:56] Yes, it is. Very much so.

[1:08:59] Ricky, I didn't think that you were selling them. I thought they were apartments.

[1:09:04] My apartments, you still got to make money off of them. Even if it's a dollar rent per day,

[1:09:08] you still got to make money off them. I repraved it.

[1:09:11] The owner has to make back his original investment on this property.

[1:09:17] We want to help him do that.

[1:09:20] And the very successful.

[1:09:24] And while I do think it's a good thing,

[1:09:27] I do think the overwhelmingly

[1:09:30] if there is an issue that the HID or a pitch,

[1:09:32] that it would be on your main street,

[1:09:34] I do not know if that's the same argument.

[1:09:37] A broad street and what I also don't know

[1:09:39] is if we get in front of Mayor and Council

[1:09:41] if the decision is going to be,

[1:09:42] if we are marketing the downtown district,

[1:09:45] revitalization efforts as it relates to getting them to the pitch.

[1:09:48] If Mayor and Council is going to say,

[1:09:49] we're going to set the standards

[1:09:50] because we want to ensure that we're able to get the templates

[1:09:53] sellers for these other developments that may or may not come.

[1:09:56] Because you'll limit it on space as far as I'm going to.

[1:09:59] Absolutely. And I would like to make a recommendation

[1:10:02] that the council decide that on the height.

[1:10:04] That is within their firm view.

[1:10:05] And I think we've given, you know, our thoughts here.

[1:10:11] And I agree, Barbara.

[1:10:12] I think that we've given our input on what we think it will look like

[1:10:16] based on the information that we have,

[1:10:18] but the actual height restrictions are up to the city council.

[1:10:21] And we've just been trying to find win-win so that they can accomplish their business goals at the same time within what this little strip of his historic Jonesboro looks like, right?

[1:10:35] And then what's on the staff perspective, what we'll do, if council is angry with whatever that hide is that maximum hide is again we want scale.

[1:10:44] Whatever that maximum idea is, then we're going to come back and present drawing to the design review committee and say, Hey, look, this is what the hide is, can none of us do anything about it. That's why there are the legislative bodies. This is what it looks like. And if we go all the way down right now, we're just comparing apples to orange is because the building will be standing beside nothing at that level. But if we have the opportunity to develop air rights to all of these buildings, this is what it will look like at that scale.

[1:11:11] Yeah, and I'm personally looking at from, if everybody does the same thing.

[1:11:16] We just, my, I just wanted to, to,

[1:11:24] my recommend, can we be David off to the console?

[1:11:29] And I would like to, I mean, 35 degrees with a 45 degree angle thing make that work as

[1:11:37] as you can.

[1:11:39] And I believe that there will be

[1:11:40] made the buildings and high flats

[1:11:42] that they're more economical in the city,

[1:11:45] because believe me, one, two, three, three feet higher.

[1:11:49] You know, impact the cost dramatically

[1:11:51] once you start dealing with the stair requirements and all that.

[1:11:55] So, and also, I think that it's nice to be developed further

[1:11:59] so that you look at all these moving elements

[1:12:02] so that, you know, because in my impact, they're outside.

[1:12:09] So one of the things I'll also share with you, so I had the opportunity to speak with Mr.

[1:12:14] Washington and see some of Mr. Washington working. I'm not going to show you that from what I've seen in

[1:12:19] Amaging and being ready to say that or is saying like he's been doing architecture work for the most part.

[1:12:25] Sure.

[1:12:26] Talk about that. We're excited to have you.

[1:12:30] Thank you.

[1:12:31] Where needs it?

[1:12:34] So we're glad to be, we're glad to be able to come up with something so quickly.

[1:12:42] We're literally working on this project every day.

[1:12:44] So I would say about the Monday afternoon, we will have building sections developed,

[1:12:49] so you can, I think it can give you a better relationship idea of the building,

[1:12:54] to the units, to the ground.

[1:12:56] I would do all I can to come up with a solution for the rear,

[1:13:01] that'll be more satisfactory. We'll do the best we can. But I think that the steps

[1:13:05] section is key how we can do it. Save as in a way to drop stairs inside

[1:13:10] to allow for the units to look smaller from the back. But that creates challenges on the roof.

[1:13:17] They were going to have step roofs. Everything creates a challenge. So we just have to see

[1:13:23] as you know, Mr. Venus. Yeah. But yeah, but I mean,

[1:13:28] But online, we open for the development and we are the other day, you know, the community is going to be looking at this building and this development and we wanted to be beautiful as well as financially feasible.

[1:13:40] So, I mean, just how this time works, you know.

[1:13:45] So.

[1:13:46] Okay.

[1:13:47] Yeah.

[1:13:47] So we're with you.

[1:13:49] We're there.

[1:13:51] I think when you see our next series of developments over the next few days.

[1:13:56] I think in a shed, even more light, I think you may be even more in line with what we're talking about here.

[1:14:02] What do the best of you in to make it closer to the recommendations you have?

[1:14:07] So, obviously, you guys have put a lot of work into this too. We appreciate it.

[1:14:11] Yeah.

[1:14:12] So, thank you so much.

[1:14:16] Thank you.

[1:14:18] Thank you.

[1:14:19] So,

[1:14:25] what I was going to be our decision here?

[1:14:28] decision.

[1:14:31] Yeah. I recommendation. So I have up to the council. Go ahead, David.

[1:14:36] That you go ahead. My recommendation is to pass it to Council to make the decision on the height.

[1:14:41] We've made our, you know, recommendations, put our thoughts out there and I think they can do that and help them give you forward.

[1:14:50] And you're going to option B on the color.

[1:14:56] Yes, the darker one, the darker one. Yes, the darker one. Yes, the darker one. Yes, the dark, low facade.

[1:15:06] Is that your motion, Barbara? Is my motion, aye,

[1:15:17] aye, aye, any opposed? All right. That's the motion. So we put down to the

[1:15:25] cop poured their decision and we okay we just we just made our comment you know we don't

[1:15:33] have any recommendations or so all right

[1:15:41] may I make the motion to adjourn or that's right

[1:15:45] that's right any second I second it all the papers say aye

[1:15:54] then you're both great okay

[1:15:55] Thank you very much and look forward to it. Thank you all. Thank you so much.

Design Review Commission Regular Meeting

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