[1:51] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to our work session for Monday and November of Tuesday. November of the 12th.

[2:01] First item up is the resolution for the master fee schedule.

[2:06] Yes, so the master fee schedule has been updated to reflect the following pages and I'm just going to hit the high points for you.

[2:15] The Southern Museum amended its military fees to reflect active duty, reserve, hard, and military

[2:23] retirees' sasses.

[2:25] They removed the depot as a rentable space because the south home to our amphitheater

[2:30] and updated the name of its gallery from Cobb Energy Gallery to Cobb EMC Gallery.

[2:37] The events committee removed its race fee as the city does not allow for private races

[2:42] within the city's limits.

[2:44] The Finance Department makes some administrative changes to add clarification and remove redundancy from some of its fees.

[2:52] Added a bail bonds, application fee, and included fees for manual and e-file methods of filing or releasing lanes on properties for the liquid taxes.

[3:03] The Cemetery Commission is increasing the employee cost to purchase a lot to behalf of the current cost of a resident law, which is what we've traditionally done.

[3:13] is increasing the cremation garden scattering costs along with the memorial only option to

[3:19] help cover the cost of the cremation garden wall plaque and is removing all fees associated

[3:25] with memorial trees and adding a fee for memorial tree placer placement in the future if needed.

[3:32] The City Manager's office is adding filling permit fees for the use of city owned parking spaces

[3:39] and any barricade or cum replacement that might be needed.

[3:44] Smith Gilbert Gardens is also amending its military fee to reflect active duty reserve guard and military retirees.

[3:52] Added the acceptance of sunbooks and changed the cost of it guided tours for adult groups.

[3:59] Parks and Recreation clarified that non-resident fees refer to residence outside of Cognitive Limits,

[4:06] her the most recent hospital 409 agreement as well as her move to the community house carry

[4:11] house from their inventory of rentable spaces as it's home to our amphitheater and a

[4:18] grading herment and land service permit fees are now filed under public courts and our fee

[4:25] schedules and planning and zoning updated, flat, rezoning application, zoning verification letter

[4:30] and sign permit fees.

[4:35] That's the short. Okay. Good. Any questions or

[4:38] comments?

[4:39] One more.

[4:40] I'll put you some chair fees.

[4:42] Decephan now, is that for elected officials as well, or is that just for

[4:46] employees of the city?

[4:49] That would be, I want to know, officials as well.

[4:52] Thank you.

[4:53] All right.

[4:53] Any other questions?

[4:56] I'd like to move.

[4:57] It can consent.

[4:59] consent.

[5:01] I don't know.

[5:02] I don't know.

[5:02] And then the first public hearing is an ordinance, a unified development code, text amendment.

[5:09] Good evening, Mayor Council.

[5:12] I do.

[5:13] Make sure it's red.

[5:15] It's on.

[5:16] There you go.

[5:17] Thank you.

[5:17] You're welcome.

[5:20] As Mayor Council remembers, we came to work session to kind of give you the background of this proposal.

[5:29] We've been working on this for over a year.

[5:31] And the result is this text amendment will do two things.

[5:37] It's going to dissolve the current kind of sort of art and culture commission, and in this place, it's going to put the review authority to a designated staff person, which would be the art program coordinator.

[5:54] Currently the process for review goes to the zoning administrator in my office, and it's public, you know, notification, and it became problematic as far as the

[6:07] expediting and the proper process. So this, this structure, this proposal will solve a lot of the

[6:15] procedural challenges we've had over the last two, three years. And at the same time, it puts

[6:20] the review in the hands of someone who's much, much more qualified than I am, are dealing with

[6:26] our programming. And the person that is designated as this one, she's already on staff.

[6:34] She's here tonight, if you want to ask any questions, but we feel that this is the best way of dealing with the art program going forward.

[6:45] And I'm more than happy to give that, give her my blessing.

[6:50] And of course, final approval goes to City Manager's office.

[6:55] And then of course, Mayor Council will be given periodic updates on everything that's either being proposed or spot to be approved.

[7:03] So you're well aware of any upcoming projects.

[7:12] Questions or comments?

[7:14] I'm not real clear.

[7:16] I know there's a advisory board or advisory committee.

[7:22] I think it was five members.

[7:24] Yes.

[7:25] They will be selected to be used upon request as needed.

[7:31] But it's good to have an advisory committee in case there's more input

[7:37] required and they will be appointed through the city manager's office and they will have specific

[7:42] qualifications to serve on that advisory committee.

[7:46] So the city manager appoints them versus mayor and council appointing.

[7:53] The mayor?

[7:54] I think the mayor council will be made aware of that and of course it will be wed through the city

[8:02] manager's office.

[8:02] It just, you know, most boards, authorities, committees are appointed by the Mayor and Council.

[8:10] I don't have a real big opinion one way or the other would be done through a sort of jail for, personally,

[8:20] I'd be more comfortable.

[8:23] Would you have come up with an advisory committee and that it comes to us for validation?

[8:31] ratification or something. We can do that. We can discuss more. Yes. I want to speak for him on this one because

[8:42] my understanding is that this was just an advisory and sometimes you don't get people to serve on this or the right people

[8:49] They're an artist in their home versus somebody is more professional. That's what we're looking forward to. I mean, this is going to be on our agenda next.

[8:58] I think it's a good idea.

[8:59] It's a good idea.

[9:01] We'll have to answer the formula.

[9:03] Yeah, and I can't like here are the members' faults.

[9:09] I'm going to leave it suddenly with the city manager's office.

[9:14] Or raise it to a level where we ratify things.

[9:17] I'd love to hear your faults on the mound.

[9:22] I mean, I'm not really comment about it.

[9:24] So, to my understanding, the reason why we're doing this is basically making the process a lot more fluid and not as obstacle heavy.

[9:37] So, giving all the authority to the city manager and those who have a more artistic background,

[9:44] that's the process and makes it a lot more efficient.

[9:46] So we're not having six months hassles to set up a mural.

[9:52] I fully support the idea.

[9:56] What I think I've thought earlier around camp find it,

[10:00] but what the role of the arts coordinator in appointments,

[10:05] what is that?

[10:08] The, as you read the ordinance,

[10:11] there's certain complications for the members.

[10:14] It goes through, of course, the RC program coordinator to identify who applies, then it's given

[10:22] to the city manager for vetting.

[10:24] So it goes like a two-tier, and then we can decide depending on what mayor council would like.

[10:31] We can either have it where it stops at the city manager and he approves it and we create it

[10:37] or if you want it to come to you all for final blessing or identification before we make

[10:45] That's what we were.

[10:47] That was what this was all about making it simpler.

[10:52] I like the streamlined piece.

[10:54] It would be nice if, you know, here's what we're thinking of doing.

[10:57] Not necessarily we approve it because I think that at times we've had too much input.

[11:02] And we just go in a circle between the commissions and even then to the council.

[11:06] I'm happy with the way the program is set up.

[11:09] that you're what right now we're talking about is just approving the members of the, I'm on the whole members of the advisory board.

[11:19] Correct.

[11:19] Right.

[11:19] I think that was the question.

[11:21] You know, you typically boards committees, commissions that are appointed by us.

[11:29] If I understand the ordinance what it is now, basically, gentlemen would appoint those people.

[11:35] and it would never come to us or any action at all.

[11:40] But this isn't an ongoing sitting board. It would just be for

[11:43] Spas needed.

[11:44] Thanks.

[11:44] Don't be.

[11:45] Don't be on regular basis.

[11:47] There's no agendas.

[11:48] There's no.

[11:49] So I think I've done an action.

[11:51] Give public notice.

[11:52] Wait two weeks.

[11:53] Let us talk about it.

[11:54] Wait two more weeks.

[11:55] We're in the same position.

[12:01] We've been.

[12:02] Right.

[12:02] it grew, whether it's by us or by Jelf, they need to fetch an under-fultransparency ethics,

[12:11] but they need to have a genders, I mean. If we have to meet, we'll follow the meeting guidelines,

[12:25] As far as the qualifications, the reason we drafted this way is that we bet people all the time.

[12:35] It's based like any other committee.

[12:37] We want to qualify people and it's like you said, it's going to be as needed.

[12:48] So we're comfortable doing either way.

[12:50] If you wish to have it where the Advash Committee will be only ratified, then we move forward with all the other functions.

[12:58] We can do that, or if you want to leave it up to the city manager and you know, trust this judge and go, yes, that's fine and just keep going.

[13:09] It's really up to you.

[13:10] We heard from some of the council about wanting to streamline this process.

[13:15] I was getting too top-heavy to your point and so I think this is why we were pushing it this way.

[13:23] Yes.

[13:23] I understand what you're saying as well, but again, this was the ultimate goal given to the staff was.

[13:28] Streamline is, this makes our program more viable and quicker to respond to requests.

[13:35] Yes.

[13:35] Honestly, I don't see that one additional step of us ratify an appointment that has to do anything

[13:42] the streamlining, I mean it's mayor says. Jeff is recommended to these people, but okay,

[13:48] fine. So I mean we're not adding any things for us mandatory repairs or blessings, you know,

[13:58] I thought I'm disquestioning whether or not we should be the ones that

[14:03] eventually ratify these people being on a committee. That's not that's my only question.

[14:10] Okay. I agree. I agree with Pat. He's staying. I knew we wanted to streamline and things like that.

[14:15] Are the areas looking for it? You all, I guess, going to do a hit.

[14:18] Jeff is going to listen to Steve. We crack at every face since us.

[14:22] So long as I see that portion, either way, I'm looking at it.

[14:25] I kind of stand with Pat Sam, where it gives it a level.

[14:28] I was hit with the jealousy when it goes to the council like that.

[14:31] I'm for you to wait.

[14:33] Yes.

[14:33] As long as we get there and I pack each week.

[14:36] Yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be very straightforward, you'll always get updates and periodic reports.

[14:44] I would say though, the reason why I think the streamlined is better because they won't have any authority.

[14:51] They're advisory, they're not making any decisions.

[14:55] I see that we're making some type of decision you want to clarify because they're acting and making...

[15:00] Making some type of action, they're not doing that. They're strictly to assist staff in feedback. So there are any authority in the process at all. So that's why we kind of went this way.

[15:13] What would be a fluid group, right? I mean, if we're talking pain at heart, it might be one set of people. If it were dance or something, it might be another set of people. We're not going to have a five person board that we know who these five people are every time.

[15:27] is just going to come up episodically, right?

[15:31] They don't have different qualifications.

[15:33] It will be a well-rounded board.

[15:35] So whether it's performing arts, whether it's...

[15:37] I mean, it won't be the same.

[15:38] It won't be like the arts and commission

[15:39] where we know who these five people are every time,

[15:42] all the time for four years.

[15:43] They won't have turns and stuff like that.

[15:46] Oh, they will.

[15:46] Okay.

[15:48] I got you.

[15:49] I'm so confused.

[15:50] We want to keep it consistent.

[15:53] Just a good mix or a better representation

[15:56] in a vark across the board that she's putting together.

[16:00] Yeah, that's the goal is to get a well-versed advisory council that if you get people that all

[16:05] are into paintings and murals that don't do dance, if you don't take where you will apply,

[16:12] okay. And unfortunately, we're looking for people who not only have no art but they have networks,

[16:19] we're also looking at, if you look at foundations, the quality and the whole goal is to get people

[16:25] who know people, who know people, who can put us in position with other foundations, and

[16:30] that's who can bring to the table.

[16:32] Not just the technical skills, but who they know, and what their experience, that's the

[16:37] value.

[16:38] Do you have anything to add?

[16:40] No, I've said everything on YouTube.

[16:42] Do you have anything to add?

[16:43] So I think the big thing is, is that having the Council set up by Jeff, they're not going

[16:53] do anything that we don't approve in council. There's no art that's going to go up without us.

[16:59] There's nothing else. But I think having the advisory council, you know, was just what

[17:05] you were looking for. Was it? Do we want to ratify it or do we want to leave that with

[17:09] Jeff?

[17:12] I mean, I'm just on the way.

[17:15] Right, damn. I'm a little walk the same.

[17:17] Okay.

[17:18] I'm the most believe it is as it is.

[17:20] Okay. Thank you.

[17:21] It's a public hearing. It'll say where it is.

[17:23] We can make our comments known, maybe it were it is, okay?

[17:31] All right, and item B is the ordinance is the rezoning request for 21-12 and 21-14 old highway 41?

[17:38] Yes sir, this is a master plan and development.

[17:41] 18-20, excuse me, forgive it for a second.

[17:45] I need to go back to 9-8.

[17:47] need you to state for the record that it was advertised properly, and that's a first meeting

[17:55] was by

[17:59] finding and zoning.

[18:03] So if you just state that for the record, sure,

[18:13] well, he's going to

[18:14] go ahead and state it now. Oh, sorry. I did hear you in the game, and I just need it so that we can move

[18:23] the first public hearing was done with the Planning Commission in November meeting and it was unanimous or zero.

[18:35] It was probably advertised and went to the public hearing process and they recommend to prove.

[18:43] Okay, again, we'll have the second and final hearing on Monday, Monday night.

[18:48] Okay.

[18:49] Moving on.

[18:49] Thank you, Darrell.

[18:50] We're moving on to item 9b, 21, 12, 21, 18, old highway, 41, and it also includes

[18:56] 16, 20, is it North Roberts?

[18:59] Mm-hmm.

[19:00] We're a Robertsford.

[19:02] North Robertsford.

[19:03] So this is a master plan amendment, this will be, this is the second master plan amendment

[19:10] that would be before this Mirror and Council, this starts back in 2018 when you get a

[19:16] rezoned to a master plan zoning and in 2022 the applicants, the property where it came back

[19:25] and wanted to change and made a amendment to that master plan and the Mirror and Council approved

[19:32] the master plan with certain changes.

[19:36] Well, this amendment is also to change previously approved conditions.

[19:43] And we went through the staff analysis.

[19:46] We haven't ongoing discussions with the applicant.

[19:50] Before, during and after the planning commission meeting,

[19:54] there are still some unresolved disused with this project.

[19:58] And that is what led to your staff recommendation for denial of the ask.

[20:08] So after the planning commission meeting, I met with representative of the legal

[20:14] representative, and they decided to submit a letter.

[20:20] They did November 8th to ask for a table in the December 9th work session, and December 16th during council, so they can have a chance to do two things.

[20:35] One, meet with staff and see if we can resolve some of the outstanding things that were not accomplished in the original agreement.

[20:43] agreement. And two, we recognize that the site plan or this concept was not in line with what was approved in 2022 as far as certain key aspects.

[20:57] And so, they submitted the letter in your packet and they wish to defer or table the December to give them an opportunity to meet with staff.

[21:08] Resolve some of these outstanding issues if possible, and to work on a better or a more detailed

[21:15] site plan, before it's want to American Council.

[21:20] So the ask right now is, they wish to request tabling design.

[21:25] Okay, to table to the second meeting in December is the 16th of December 16th.

[21:32] And the number of sessions December 9th.

[21:39] Council, do you have any issues with the request?

[21:42] Well, we even as a public hearing, we'll hear Monday, we'll present again, and then we'll

[21:48] take the vote to postpone, postpone, to postpone until a specific date, because if we

[21:56] table, that comes at the end of the meeting, but we'll postpone it to a specific date.

[22:00] Right, and to have to make sure that we will send the New Deal last, to make sure

[22:06] We will change the signage on site and we will ask the property

[22:13] to send on just an adendom, mail out to everyone that was sent up before

[22:18] just a year.

[22:19] The public.

[22:20] In a few weeks, if you had made sure that the letter from the property

[22:23] owner says to postpone until specific date December 1960, instead of

[22:31] enabling and it would be correct.

[22:39] That correct.

[22:41] Very good.

[22:42] Thank you, Darrell.

[22:43] Thank you.

[22:44] About three items on the consent agenda.

[22:47] Chief, you have crime stats for October 2021.

[22:57] Yes, sir.

[22:57] Good evening.

[22:59] For October 2024, crime statistics are the group A offenses.

[23:04] We have an increase in assault offenses from 37 to 45,

[23:09] 1.5 liter vehicle, theft from 0.5,

[23:13] vertebrae, state of the same with 3.

[23:15] No homicide cases.

[23:17] Largestly, he's went down by 5 from 16 to 11.

[23:20] 0.0 sexual offenses.

[23:23] And robbery state of the same at 1 for total of 65 for 24.

[23:29] Compared to 60 of 23.

[23:32] This batch calls for service.

[23:33] We had 854, 1276,

[23:36] self-initiated off-strike activities, traffic citations, work at 5A, 6 traffic warnings at 630

[23:45] with 509 arrests. We're 138 auto accidents, 8 were with injuries, getting run at 20, hitting

[23:54] run with injuries at 0 and person hit by auto with injury at 0.

[24:02] Any comments or questions?

[24:03] And I think we're looking forward to hearing it Monday night.

[24:06] Thank you.

[24:10] Public Works, Ricky.

[24:13] David's the 14 A. Alpha's a Resolution,

[24:16] it's a cup County Water and sewer easement agreement.

[24:20] Yes, sir.

[24:21] P.R. Land Investments, which is the developer

[24:24] for Ross Point proposed development on McCullum.

[24:29] As requested, the water and sewer easement

[24:33] for copy on any water, the closest water in sewer for them the tie-in to is only

[24:39] court, which is separated from their development by a city park.

[24:47] So on the exhibit that included in the packet that's composite exhibit, there is a shaded

[24:54] pink area, which is what they're asking for for the sewer easement, which will either

[24:59] property in inner hours to tie into an existing sewer mantle that's there, then there

[25:07] is a shaded purple area, which is a widening of the existing sewer easement in order

[25:14] to give enough separation to place a water line, which they will tie into the encourt.

[25:20] So the request is by the developer, but the agreement is with COP County water system because

[25:27] say well ultimately on the he's

[25:33] got questions or comments

[25:35] you know a couple

[25:38] but then the area that this is that in the right way

[25:42] that's a lot of properties

[25:44] that's a lot of the think area is on

[25:47] the part property

[25:51] so that it stands up from the little park down there

[25:56] okay second question looks like they're going through that little

[26:00] market in a noob, say there's some plans for us, I'm assuming I'm wondering, or the developer

[26:12] somebody that they're going to have to put that back as it was, is that correct?

[26:19] There will be either the place back as it was or some form of a different configuration, there

[26:27] There is a development agreement where the developer is in the case of money into improving

[26:38] that part, so it's a sort of a coordinating name list with Parks and Rec, because first,

[26:46] the little part and play area goes.

[26:48] For the part will eventually become with the additional funding that we can't, we are working

[26:56] with parking right with that. For this, it's really coming through public works as far as

[27:01] what they need to be.

[27:03] Yeah, well, I'm just trying to make sure everybody's talking, working together, in the, you know,

[27:11] it, it, of course, would be nice to see and improvement. Right? Right, thank you.

[27:16] Well, this is, you know, a place, how long would that park be on the commission?

[27:21] That I could not tell you how would assume it would probably be just two to three months,

[27:27] but there has been a schedule that has been placed on this family broken ground yet on that project.

[27:35] It's been a dumb list of trucks out there, I'm going to do a demo, I'm going to do a demo.

[27:39] So the park itself is going to let me shut down for three months. Why does this all go now?

[27:43] How would assume it would be around three months?

[27:45] there's no way to coordinate that to keep it to where it's not going to have them

[27:50] which impact what I mean as far as the parks.

[27:53] Sorry.

[27:55] So the empty, you can't really avoid the impact you're going to have, if you equipment out there

[28:01] that you don't want kids playing around there, as far as the impact is, Tom was, we would place

[28:09] the same type of time restrictions as we would within the other construction where

[28:16] the seven and the more seven and even work times nothing later or earlier and we

[28:26] can't so it'll only be our authority. Now West, this is a new playground coming in

[28:34] right after that or of how it says. I can't answer that. Okay. That's all being

[28:41] and they did again with Parkland Wright.

[28:45] Thank you.

[28:47] But it's a consent, a consent item, of course.

[28:51] And resolution for the emergency stormwater repair.

[28:55] Yes, sir.

[28:56] Shortly after we had all the range from the Hurricane

[29:01] Baleen, the resident at 29, 79, Pam Hill Drive

[29:06] reached out to us about a storm drain

[29:09] runs through their property.

[29:14] We went out and looked at the bottom of the pipes completely

[29:18] gone and what has happened now with the amount of rain that we got. Water is no longer

[29:25] inside of the pipe, it's outside the pipe and it's caused the soil around the pipe and

[29:32] was on top of the pipe to now disappear. So we've got sections of exposed pipe.

[29:41] Ethan, if you don't mind, I've got some pictures of that dark area is supposed to be

[29:49] just as much pipe as the rest of it. There is no pipe there. The water, as you see, is

[29:54] that's flowing on the wrong side of the pipe.

[30:00] So, we have a contractor that we're currently under contract with, that's pro shot concrete, that's still in our pipe re-lining.

[30:09] We ask them to take a look at this, give us a proposal to see if we could get them while they're still in town to re-line this pipe.

[30:20] I'm considered an emergency repair just because it is causing damage to property creating

[30:29] sinkholes that I don't want to have, whether it's child animal or like was to end up in

[30:36] anything that we could be making repairs on.

[30:41] So they did offer two different methods of repair.

[30:44] the lowest alternate was 96,500 dollars and that's what I'm requesting that we

[30:52] authorized the proposal for that amount. So the day provided is

[30:58] pictured, we have capability of going to the infrastructure and taking the

[31:02] good deeds.

[31:05] Some of these are our pictures, some that they provided for us. We

[31:09] will, somewhat from stormwater, come in, presented a council, a status of our

[31:14] for structure. As I've been through years, I haven't had someone to come up as we yet.

[31:21] Um, I would like to see something like this. You have to condition because it is happening

[31:24] here. I'm pretty sure it's happening elsewhere around the city. Um, I think we need to get a

[31:28] tackle on this here. Um, let's, let's focus on that. That's why I'm in this first.

[31:36] You know, that is an action item for a down there. Yes. Um, any problems with, there is the

[31:42] Yeah, we're good.

[31:45] I suppose Jeff, that this day, I think he said he's going to talk to you.

[31:49] I don't know if he got with you or not.

[31:51] I hear the urgency in this.

[31:54] I hear the need for this.

[31:58] Frankly, I did not see this as an emergency.

[32:02] I mean, just be very honest with you.

[32:04] Then talk to Jeff earlier today.

[32:07] I thought that a way of approaching this

[32:10] It was just as it did into this current contract for the job third-billion.

[32:18] But every time I hear the word emergency, I just kind of get little red flags and go,

[32:24] geez, guys, you know, we kind of shortcut the round things.

[32:30] A emergency of the road collapses, tree falls down in the road.

[32:35] So, I'm going through something, it's a very property damage right now that's threatening

[32:43] somebody's life.

[32:45] That's what I said.

[32:46] That's what I said.

[32:47] That's what I said.

[32:48] That's what I said.

[32:51] I mean, I've driven the property.

[32:54] Is this on the back side or the lower side?

[32:57] Yeah, if you're looking at the houses on the left side of the property, if it goes

[33:01] See from home, however, on the street, it goes down under there.

[33:07] I mean, from when I can see the people's property,

[33:11] they're still using everything that little side drive away has washed off

[33:16] and into the ditch.

[33:18] So, I mean, honestly, just speaking from me,

[33:24] I don't see this as an emergency.

[33:25] the urgent yes needs to get, yes, with white to see this contract, to be able to go

[33:32] in and do what the rub here work on other stuff, but evenly beside them as an

[33:38] emergency after I just can't do with that reason.

[33:42] So there's, I mean, let me, let me, there's, there's an issue with trying to do a

[33:47] change order with this, and Randall, if may have to lean on you, there is a maximum

[33:54] percentage that you can change order or an original contract, and I think it's 24-25%

[34:03] this 96,000 exceeds that percentage. Not that I'm saying that this is an emergency to get

[34:10] around that I find this to be more of an emergency than it would be to do. These is what it would

[34:17] need to do as a change order, legally I can't do it as a change order because it exceeds the

[34:23] And we said, so where did all you do on a patch is they're going to just put like

[34:30] a piece of millet to bomb to seal the end and then you're going to attack well.

[34:33] There's something where you know what what a re-lining is or for this they do a spiral

[34:40] reinforcing the wire and they do a shot crate.

[34:45] It's like the old gun ice.

[34:46] I'll swim in pools where you actually shot concrete.

[34:49] They lie on the entire line.

[34:50] Okay, and the the the metal gives it the reinforcing back

[34:56] The concrete smooths out everything it fills in

[34:59] Where there is no longer any like so it is a better to just rip that hole

[35:04] How big is that span as far as how are we talking that lead is?

[35:11] Roughly a hundred and

[35:13] I

[35:18] think it's a hundred and a twenty or a hundred and thirty feet

[35:25] That's not just peace was that. That's the entire link to the point. I'm just trying to pop it.

[35:34] That's the 120 to 130 feet.

[35:38] So when you cheaper to dig out and put new equipment, so just put it like a fixed on it.

[35:45] No, one of would you cheaper to a lot to you're also now getting into being in there yard for extended period of time where this is, they do all their work on it around.

[36:03] Everything is done from inside the pipe.

[36:11] Understanding that emergency storm was that that meteor.

[36:17] I'm not talking about this state on the right for the community and the final platform

[36:24] for

[36:28] 2652 South Maine.

[36:37] Good evening, Mayor and Council.

[36:38] Plan A and Zonebrens before you had an application for a final platform for a multifamily project

[36:43] located at 265 South Main Street.

[36:47] The application is to request.

[36:48] The application is to revise the final platform that was approved and recorded back in 2022

[36:54] there is vice-platenoteates updated water and sewer easement as requested by

[36:59] cobb water. The planer he committed including cobb water, cobb fire, and

[37:03] internal departments have reviewed the plan and deemed it in compliance.

[37:07] Let's recommend it in approval.

[37:13] I'd like to move it to consent.

[37:17] Yes. Okay.

[37:20] And then the discussion item 16B Bravo as a presentation.

[37:25] down town parcels, 28, 31, up main, 28, 61, and 271, and D1 door.

[37:34] Thank you, Mayor.

[37:35] You know, he used to, is here tonight to give a brief presentation.

[37:39] But I'd like to practice his presentation with a little background.

[37:45] As you all know, we've, his written order has been planned and proposed for at least five years.

[37:55] So for the last year, maybe two, we have worked to figure out financing how we get this

[38:02] finance.

[38:03] And we've arrived at the fact that it's just really not going to happen anytime soon

[38:06] unless the DVA and the city gets involved.

[38:11] So the ultimate ask on this is going to be, will the city help back at KDA bondage

[38:17] to have catalyzed the financing for Mr. Hughes's Main Street Breaking Order. Tonight, I would

[38:26] like to just give him the floor, let him talk about the project at our next work session

[38:30] on the 25th. I'd like to bring Regan James and our financial advisors to give their take

[38:36] show you what the financing would look like, the risk, et cetera, and then in December on the

[38:42] I will come in and give a staff recommendation and presentation on other cities that I've done this and then hopefully in January

[38:51] if you all had a, you know, a lot of merit on this we can come back and make some decisions.

[38:58] There's no reason to, there's no urgency, so there's no reason not to take a methodical approach to this and make sure you've got all information you need and

[39:09] in making that kind of decision the first year. So with that, I'll let all that deal.

[39:25] Thank you, Mary and Council. I've asked Cindy to come up here in Sanland with me in my life.

[39:29] I think I'll let know her and I'm going to confess as an older man-wide asker to come up here in Sanland.

[39:36] I was sitting in that second row and some of your voices fit right in that slot where I couldn't hear you without amplification.

[39:44] So, this way, if you ask me a question, she's going to be my interpreter if I can't understand.

[39:49] So, that I don't have to read your lips.

[39:51] So, it's a very humbling confession, but it's a confession, and I hope you accept it that way.

[39:57] I've asked the staff to give you and your package, which if you don't have it, I'm not sure you get it,

[40:03] but my written notes on how I'm presenting this tonight.

[40:06] Now, I'm going to tell you on the worst person to read a speech or do anything.

[40:11] I remember one time they sent me somewhere and they said just read it off the telepompter

[40:15] this is going to be televised it's going to be in television and then finally they just

[40:19] turned the telepropter off and said you don't have a speech that I've never read anything

[40:23] in my life so I just want to speak to you from a heart show you what's up on these drawings

[40:30] and walk you through and the reason I want to do this is I'm calling this for forming

[40:35] our downtown and I don't mean that in any derogatory way I don't mean that in any way other

[40:40] this is a big deal to me. I started working on it in 2012 and I initially named the

[40:47] block as the whistle stop block. I initially named it Common Ground. The reason I named it Common

[40:52] Ground is I wanted to be a place that we came together as every eight people and we share

[40:58] of life and I thought it could reform how we viewed our downtown, our downtown. And I can say that

[41:05] cause for over 35 years I've lived three miles from here. So when you think about this project,

[41:12] you ask me questions and we work together and we make changes or we do whatever we do.

[41:19] Here's why I'm doing it. It's a legacy from my children. It's a legacy for your children,

[41:24] and it's a legacy for the children of the members of our community. And that's the only reason

[41:29] I'm doing this. It's going to be the last really, really big project like this I do. So I want you

[41:35] think of it that way. Now what I'm going to ask is that we start with a street view. So whoever

[41:40] has control of what I submitted, let's do the street view, that's not it.

[41:54] All right, keep going there.

[41:55] All right. Now what I want you to do in I will try to stay close to this. If you come all the way over here,

[42:04] see where my hand is pointing to the left, I'm calling this block. This block is right there at

[42:10] from the 1885. I want you to consider, and because I've done this for over 35 years, when

[42:17] you drive from downtown, from that direction, when you drive from South Maine to North Maine,

[42:24] your eyes, on these two downtown blocks, are held for many, where from two minutes to five

[42:29] minutes, depending on whether you are speeding or you get caught in a traffic light. If you're

[42:35] Dessering it's much, much, much more.

[42:37] It's not as relevant when you come from the other way,

[42:40] because when you come from North Maine to South Maine,

[42:43] your view line is turned over into what is now currently

[42:46] the end of the year.

[42:48] So my proposition and my theory on what we're doing

[42:51] and what we're doing along with your help

[42:55] is we are significantly changing the view line of our downtown.

[43:00] Because if you just look at the colored buildings,

[43:03] So those are the buildings that will be involved in this project.

[43:06] We have now captured the whole downtown view for two blocks

[43:10] and we're gonna hold it for two to five minutes.

[43:13] Now I'm gonna walk you through how we do that

[43:15] and what's gonna be occurring in each of these buildings.

[43:18] So when you come with the first building there,

[43:20] it's a three-story building.

[43:21] So we didn't go with a large mass.

[43:23] I'll get to that in a little while.

[43:25] Why would it go to a large mass?

[43:27] And that is a risk that we're taking

[43:29] that is not rewarded by traditional banks,

[43:33] and it is not rewarded in this fancy market.

[43:36] But my contention is down here,

[43:38] we don't need a lot more.

[43:40] We don't need the five storeys that technically,

[43:43] a revival in Maine, which is just right across the street.

[43:46] It's literally a five storey there.

[43:48] You might say, well, it's only a four,

[43:49] but go back over there and look at how it's built.

[43:51] It's a five storey there.

[43:53] This is a three storey.

[43:55] What we'll do is only outside it,

[43:57] there, we will replicate on where it's on watts,

[44:00] we'll replicate just like where you have over at Bunnies.

[44:03] They'll be on outside seating there, okay?

[44:05] So this entire first floor is all retail.

[44:09] So it's gonna be what we want it.

[44:10] I've attended all the work sessions for 15 or 20 years

[44:14] to I hear everything that I want

[44:17] about a walkable downtown with places we can go eat,

[44:21] places we can go shop, places that we can do that.

[44:24] It will be all retail.

[44:25] We'll dedicate it all to that.

[44:27] But more importantly, what we're doing is it's two buildings that have an arcade in the middle.

[44:33] It's not a covered arcade. It's an open air. By having that, what we're doing is,

[44:39] all of those retail spaces are going to have outside use. They're going to have a light coming in.

[44:43] It's not going to be retail that's in it. This was duplicated from a building in Asheville,

[44:51] Actually, we'll go to Carolina with our architect, the Historic Arcade.

[44:55] So just look at the Grove Arcade out there.

[44:58] There's, is in close.

[45:00] We're not going to enclose it, because I really felt like we needed to have a light. So what you can do, now you're walking on the street over towards what the grave building, which would be eating kind of practice, that will be just off the street enough that there can be outside seating there as well.

[45:17] So what I want you to understand, the concept is we're going to have outside seating or outside areas on every side of this building, including the backside, which we would be looking at right now, if we just looked right here out of city.

[45:29] So, the second floor will be office, the house balconies.

[45:34] I'm really studying and Jeff Trollney helped me do this.

[45:37] I stood on the stage at the amphitheater.

[45:39] We will be able to look directly off those balconies

[45:42] just because of the elevations into the amphitheater.

[45:45] So, they're going to have really good views of this office over

[45:48] in the amphitheater.

[45:50] What I would encourage you to do if you want to test my theorem that.

[45:52] Go stand on the amphitheater and look at the roof line

[45:55] of the Eaton Power Practice building.

[45:57] And you'll be able to see that, okay, if our first floor is going to be close to there for a floor, that's definitely going to be there.

[46:05] The third level, what we're currently looking at is that either be offices of some sort or events.

[46:11] I really would prefer that it be events if we can sustain a very good event sound there, because I think if we back it off a little bit, which in the concept.

[46:20] So you see how the outside wall comes to the front right now where the balcony is?

[46:24] Just imagine if I moved the building back a little bit, that's a 15,000 square feet out there on that third floor.

[46:31] Let's take it back to 10,000 square feet.

[46:33] Then I could have an outside area up there, which were events we're looking directly in the amphitheater.

[46:39] What I envision is that now we can run events there that work with our festivals, that work we're looking into the downtown streets into the amphitheater.

[46:47] And then we're really what we're going to do is we're going to support the retail that's in the area, the offices, we're going to support our surrounding ones too.

[46:58] Anybody that's in our city, we really want this to become a feature they have to run their events for their businesses or whatever they're going.

[47:05] I mean, I'm not, I don't actively participate in it because I'm just really busy and I know that's an excuse.

[47:13] But I envision that, you know, why would our kind of solve business association not be meeting there and looking in our amphitheater?

[47:20] I haven't made a pitch to them, and I'm not saying that for any purpose other than it should be a central part of our downtown and how we use it.

[47:28] And it should be an event space that's used that way. So that's the concept we're working there.

[47:32] So you would look at retail, office, events. You notice what we don't have here, and I'll come back to a little bit. We have no apartments. We have no living.

[47:40] I am not opposed to, I believe people need, they need living arrangements, they need affordable

[47:46] living arrangements, and we need a good mix of it so that you can work through the cycles.

[47:50] I'm probably going to be in that cycle pretty long, which you're going to put me in seeing

[47:53] your living, so we're going to need some really good seeing your living.

[47:56] But as you walk now through the words Eatons, what I want you to know is when you get to

[48:00] J.O. Stevens, this is the most dramatic part of this plan.

[48:05] We pulled that two-story building, which I always call commongrounds Plaza, which we have on the drawing

[48:12] before for years.

[48:13] We pulled it to the street level, by pulling it to the street level, and then using it in conjunction

[48:19] with the car you're building, which is on the very end.

[48:23] It just captures your eye, and now you'll have two buildings that have been refinished.

[48:27] They're out at the street level, so it eliminates all the old buildings in the middle.

[48:31] It eliminates the science, it eliminates the view.

[48:34] So what I've done is I've just really, in just one swoop of development, I've changed

[48:39] your view line as you go through our downtown.

[48:41] So you can say, well, downtown is not me in the vault for this reason or that reason.

[48:46] No, no, no, downtown now has a development that captures the outline and it is a very good

[48:53] development and it's well supported.

[48:54] I want to take a minute and tell you what I mean by well supported.

[48:57] that corner as you cross J of Stevens, okay?

[49:01] If you cross J of Stevens, that's a pivotal corner.

[49:04] That's common ground splacer.

[49:06] That's where if you take your iPhone right now,

[49:11] whatever you have, if you say, can a saw,

[49:14] and you try to search it,

[49:15] that's where it's going to drop the dot.

[49:17] So that's where it's happening, okay?

[49:20] So it takes for this sort of vision I had

[49:23] And I literally went out there and bought the whistle-stop right after it burned and bought a lot and thought,

[49:31] okay, this is where it's going to happen, this is where it's going to come around, this is going to happen, this is where we're going to bring people together.

[49:37] And I've been on that search on the right people.

[49:39] I'm going to introduce you tonight to Spencer Nix and Brian Stockton and that y'all can come up here and stand next to my wife for a minute.

[49:47] They were a reformation brewery.

[49:48] And I'm actually starting, so I'm telling you,

[49:53] we're changing this streetscape down here.

[49:56] I actually, my work and time on this,

[49:58] which you'll see in the notes that they get to you,

[50:00] as I'm calling it, we're performing blocks.

[50:03] And when I talk about my story and what I'm doing now,

[50:06] we'll coffee and every eight people group

[50:09] and bring people together and trying to change our society

[50:12] that way from businesses that are dedicated

[50:14] that have good back and whatever,

[50:17] We went through a period, but I had to find somebody else as an acre-tinent there, and I met

[50:22] the next brothers.

[50:23] They owned their information.

[50:24] They owned it in all of its locations.

[50:26] I heard their backs to where you, and why they're doing what they're trying to do with

[50:30] people, and what they're trying to do with their business, and how they get to it.

[50:34] And I said, thank you, God.

[50:36] That's all I said.

[50:37] I said, God, I found the right people.

[50:40] Now, I don't let you just ask them any questions you want, because they're going to sit down.

[50:44] I don't take you through the rest of it, just about our community and why do they want to come here?

[50:48] But I'm going to ask them, and I want to ask them,

[50:50] I'm going to ask them two questions that I just whispered in there.

[50:56] So I'm going to ask you two questions.

[50:57] I've never told you, I don't know what you're answering for.

[50:59] I said it on that month, and that we are aligned.

[51:03] So they kindly invited me to their K and its festival.

[51:07] Well, two weeks ago, two weeks ago, two weeks ago,

[51:14] with their drinks and their food and their programs a lot like when I show you the

[51:19] aerial views we want to do here and what was it a 3-day festival? 3-day festival they ran

[51:25] so in 3 days and I went out there and I was done at the music and the R and the food and the kids

[51:34] and the dogs and it was my dream and it was everything I've ever wanted about how we bring people

[51:42] together and how we live this society and how we do business well together. How many people

[51:49] Spencer did you bring in those three days that lived that dream?

[51:53] Yes, and it's our about 6,500 team through the weekend.

[51:58] Our Spencer, now here's my other question, because shortly after doing that, he announced his

[52:03] get back and I'll get the name wrong and I'll probably not be speaking a little bit about

[52:08] are another thing, but it was shepherds, different men, and they gave, because you do the

[52:13] one thing leading up to that, and you gave one of the largest chefs you've ever given

[52:17] to them.

[52:17] I don't want to embarrass you, because you know, you do good for community, and that's why

[52:22] I want you here with us, and what we do, what was that check you gave to them, we were able

[52:26] to do $10,000 check-in, check-in, this is how they do business.

[52:30] This is why I want them on a pivotal corner, I didn't know the answer to you to those, okay,

[52:36] if it's staged, I don't say each thing.

[52:39] They are the epitome of common grounds

[52:42] and what we need to do in that corner.

[52:44] And then we will put the food programs over

[52:47] into the callers, it will all be there.

[52:49] I'll take you through the arrows.

[52:50] But I'm a step over here for a minute

[52:51] because they're going to sit back down.

[52:53] They may want to go back home and spawn

[52:55] or they can hang afterwards.

[52:57] You all have any questions for them?

[53:01] I think you'll place it for them.

[53:04] Very, we're super excited about the project.

[53:07] I don't spend their founder, CEO, Ryan, to a CEO of Lomb of KSU.

[53:11] We're already working partnerships with the college.

[53:14] We're really excited, then.

[53:15] If you guys have any questions for me any time, I'm right up the road, too.

[53:20] I'm available.

[53:21] I want to tell you all right, Alan, there are locations they have.

[53:25] How many locations do you have?

[53:27] I know.

[53:27] We have three locations.

[53:28] We were birthed out of Woodstock and then our production, main production, breweries,

[53:33] and Canton, Georgia, and then we have a small R&D

[53:37] and smart on the Chinese River.

[53:40] So I'm going to tell you this, when I started

[53:43] talking with them, it's saying, I think we have a lot

[53:45] in common, I think we can do this.

[53:48] They told me they said, we're here for the list of cities

[53:50] that want us.

[53:52] And I said, well, you go any of those cities you want to.

[53:54] I said, because that's not why I'm coming out to you.

[53:58] I said, you can go to them.

[54:00] You might find a landlord that does a better economic deal for you.

[54:05] You might find a city that throws more at you,

[54:08] but are you going to ever find anybody who shares a vision you have

[54:12] on how they want their business to impact the community.

[54:16] And what did you say, Spencer?

[54:17] Absolutely not.

[54:18] I mean, this is why we exist.

[54:21] We make products, but why we make them is what matters.

[54:24] And it is about thirst, face, between home and work.

[54:28] and we want to provide that for the community to come together which is what Dale's vision was

[54:33] from the beginning which made this a really easy partnership. So I want y'all to know

[54:39] this is my anchor, okay? The rest that we do, I've already started talking to them. I said,

[54:46] who has this sort of vision in common that we have? They said, oh, Dale, let me out on our role

[54:53] So that's the show you because we've been in these communities and we know the family

[54:57] oriented, the community oriented, the ones that will really do this, so it's just not what

[55:02] I wouldn't do this to my community in your community.

[55:05] It's just not the subway.

[55:06] We're dropping in on the corner because they're going to pay me $45 a square foot.

[55:10] We're not going for that.

[55:11] We're going for this.

[55:13] So thank you.

[55:13] Thank you.

[55:14] Thank you.

[55:15] That's me.

[55:16] Thank you.

[55:17] So now what I want to do is if we can go to the aerial, I'll just spend a few minutes on the

[55:21] aerial.

[55:22] so that you understand how this operates from the top and then I'll tell you why I'm

[55:26] having to ask for your support. So you can see behind and I'm going out.

[55:35] I'm going to show you

[55:35] something I'm going to walk away. I won't have this here.

[55:45] I definitely don't.

[55:49] What I think we're going

[55:50] to do, we just need really on the third floor. That's all the minutes. We need a servicing

[55:56] alley to get back and poor.

[56:00] And then so this will be open air and I think what we do here and I really

[56:03] want to look at it because I've seen a lot of them in office. I work in other cities in different

[56:09] cities in Atlanta or in any other city in the US. I think I want a glass walkway here,

[56:15] because in between when you're staging events, it's just near you, you can go out there

[56:19] and have some dreams or just sit have a cup of coffee and you can look over there.

[56:24] So I really want to see this change a little bit in this change. So let's be parking back here.

[56:29] And then here's the information we acted with a lot of the street.

[56:36] We can sit out here.

[56:38] This is, and I'm just going to call it the Scooby-Dally,

[56:41] which is a shopping plane, a grocery shopping.

[56:43] Does it keep playing ownership of it?

[56:45] We can take care of a lot of problems like that.

[56:48] I hope these, I know I'm all the way to work here.

[56:53] I know from the documents that are in the file that I can probably take with the position

[56:57] that is not restricted, but also being longer and haven't done it for a lot of people across the country.

[57:04] I also know I've wasted about four times. I've been on a money on someone's life.

[57:07] I've raised a man there as a brother, and I'm just not going to do that, but it's what you can do.

[57:12] As you know, I'm just building a new law for a lot of people.

[57:19] I'm building a new law here and building a new law here and building around here.

[57:22] And in this fact, here would be a lot of my cities.

[57:30] This would be the, you know, there would be some production

[57:32] back in here.

[57:33] This is a stage we work with the art program.

[57:37] This, what I want you to think about right in here, is like,

[57:40] if you've ever been to the Woodstock location,

[57:42] it's like that graph area back there.

[57:44] So it's a very small entertainment area,

[57:47] graph area that supports what's going on,

[57:50] and deeper part of the interviewer.

[57:52] And it's worth bringing people across,

[57:56] and then the goal is to walk to all the other businesses that we just really become a walking community.

[58:01] Once we can get them to park somewhere, they start walking, they see us next.

[58:06] I'm going to take a minute here, because I've heard your part thing, and I've already worked with Reformation,

[58:12] and we want to be your first person, and I call the Kinna Salt Art line.

[58:16] We don't have a belt line up here, but why can't we have the Kinna Salt Art line?

[58:20] So as we work with this community here in the form of top poles for, you know, can we do some performing stuff here that we schedule it in when you're not doing something really big over at the end of the year.

[58:32] Something smaller, just like a shoe, can we put some visual art in the events areas and we'll make it accessible that people can come there. Can we put it in other areas.

[58:44] Reformation is already said they'll donate to that out of our property, we'll donate to that.

[58:49] But here's what I really want to do.

[58:51] And we need to use some of the copies of that just crossing the amphitheater at the Rosary and the Church.

[58:58] We could do some there and some of our properties of the Cherokee.

[59:01] But the reason, but it's no good if we're the only ones doing it.

[59:05] I will actually go out there and recruit other business owners.

[59:08] It just makes sense, so, you know, just names of people 18, 8, 5, you know, pouring down, just taking out, I'll go recruiting all the way to catch you, because theoretically, from our downtown, I suppose,

[59:25] that's very long, that's very long.

[59:29] If we have a market, it comes more walk.

[59:32] So, I think we need to have a tennis ball art line that we have a mouse on it

[59:39] and that their own neural group is just running that and promoting it all the time

[59:43] and what's up here.

[59:44] Here, walk the art line, visit these businesses.

[59:48] We also have a business line.

[59:53] I wanted to see this.

[59:54] Now, take me to the next area.

[59:58] And I may have to go back up businesses.

[1:00:02] Now let's walk backwards. Well, that words, probably five. I think it's five backwards.

[1:00:12] I stop. Stop. No, one more.

[1:00:14] That's good. Alright, so now we're back on the arcade. So here's what you can see once here. So this parking will be gone.

[1:00:22] This will be the outside. We'll go right to our parking line. This is what I was saying when we make it like bernies.

[1:00:28] So what I want you to see here is on that bottom floor. You really have outside all in light all the way.

[1:00:34] We leave a pedestrian between us at Eden so you have outside all the way around it for the parking to back.

[1:00:40] Now we're going one more slide forward. We'll go forward now.

[1:00:44] So this is a, you know, the interior walls will change, but this is the arcade at a ground level.

[1:00:51] Again, arcade blocks here, mainstream here. So I just want you to see how the retail

[1:00:57] mind lay out. But again, you know, so many comes in and says, I want to have one, two, three

[1:01:02] size and they want to mark this, we divide it up that way.

[1:01:06] This is just, you can put your walls wherever you want to on the interior floor.

[1:01:11] So this is a retail on the lower, go ahead and show me the second, I only do a second

[1:01:15] floor here.

[1:01:18] This, if this is also talked about two or three years ago, as I'm working through trying to get

[1:01:24] this for me, it's trying to get this, because I have them for a while.

[1:01:27] That's the easiest thing we've got something coming up at them, but if you're trying to get

[1:01:32] finance to what is, you know, overall, the huge project, it links about $30 million dollars.

[1:01:39] Everybody says, all the businesses want to say, we don't like, we don't like, we don't

[1:01:43] even though we don't have some very little dates. And I said, we'll plug in, like, what

[1:01:47] we can answer, you guys already know, because it's being finance to child care.

[1:01:52] They can answer partners. They say, put a couple of orders of partners up there.

[1:01:55] Get that approval. Do it.

[1:01:57] What we look at introduced me I'm not a corporate person. I can do office. I can get retail and I can do accounts because I

[1:02:05] Know I can do those and I can do it. But I'm not a corporate. So I go talk to them. They say we're very interested.

[1:02:10] It's in the central place. It's downtown. I say, okay, come on. What you'll do.

[1:02:14] I say, okay, get me four more four to my mobile. Why do you need four more four?

[1:02:19] You know, let's just do 20 or 50 apartments. So like then and you got to do 200 apartments.

[1:02:25] 300, but she got to create the critical mouse, and that's what we need.

[1:02:29] And I just get to the point, this is where I've installed out, and it's structuring the

[1:02:33] infrastructure.

[1:02:33] Remember, I'm like, I'm, I don't want to do a part, so I don't want to don't.

[1:02:38] Two or three hundred, it's part of it's one, the two best spots in town.

[1:02:42] Okay, now, they're going to be a cross-and-rainted data where we can change the streets

[1:02:46] game.

[1:02:47] So, I got away from that now, go to the next slide, and you won't see the third

[1:02:51] because I haven't designed out in the inventory yet.

[1:02:54] I'm now just considered it based over in the 18th house to work for you.

[1:02:57] This is the reformation plot.

[1:03:00] This is the call yours, this will be what's going to stop, this will be the new building.

[1:03:04] So here's the disputed alley, the only thing you see there is already how it restraps in there,

[1:03:10] so this would be that back area, and we're just trying to figure out that production and work that.

[1:03:17] But you really just want to frame this off, this is all grass in here,

[1:03:21] this is a stage work with how to turn it, make sure that it's applying you lines from the

[1:03:27] amphitheater, so people see it. So what's going on here that come over here, then then walk

[1:03:31] to the other businesses. First of all, that's for Ryan, you know, how do you design it, Ryan?

[1:03:39] How do you even people to flow? This will be food element in here, so you've got to have multiple

[1:03:44] food elements in it. They'll be a food element over there to support the reformation.

[1:03:48] So, next line,

[1:03:53] this is showing you the second board.

[1:03:54] All this is showing you a second board that's one of the building up on the three.

[1:03:58] Next line should be that,

[1:04:04] let me see what that was you should.

[1:04:08] Yeah, this is the bottom board, bottom board here,

[1:04:11] and it's just a reverse way, and this is what it was about.

[1:04:15] So, this is main to read out here, next line, and this is the second board.

[1:04:22] Next line, and we're back to this.

[1:04:25] So, that's my concept, the reason I'm here, you've already sort of heard it because of how I presented it.

[1:04:33] If I want to get financing without your help, they want apartments.

[1:04:38] So, I could come in here to tell you I want apartments. We could go through all of that.

[1:04:41] I'm not going to come here in LIT. I don't want apartments.

[1:04:45] Okay? So, I'm just stuck in this spot.

[1:04:49] All right. We got a great anchor that's willing to come right now.

[1:04:54] For the minute we put that anchor there, the RK is going to take off because we know what happens around them.

[1:05:01] Go look at either locations.

[1:05:02] Go to any one of those name names. Can't in what stock will see what happens.

[1:05:06] It will come. People will come and it will work. I just quit taking the calls.

[1:05:13] Because then I didn't have the financing and it frustrates the tenants.

[1:05:18] And it frustrates them to no end because they say, when are you going to start? We want you to start.

[1:05:22] I thought about doing it the way I know he did whole foods and he wanted me to do one with him

[1:05:27] Athens, but

[1:05:30] Timpler Jeff I can't remember Jeff's last name and I work with him in the 80s and 90s, but he did the whole foods out there similar guys Jeff whatever they they'll start their projects

[1:05:39] And they'll do their allies and they'll take you two or three years

[1:05:42] They finally toured the varsity down in Athens and he wanted me to sign the letterment 10 with him three years ago for one of my coffee shops

[1:05:48] And I'm like just call me up when you get ready to do it

[1:05:51] I want to sign a letter of intent and then be stuck in a holding pattern for three years and I'm not doing that in a mine, but I have a list that we can just unload it right now

[1:06:00] between Reformation and us, and we can fill those. And you can say, well, why did the banks not want to do it? I can say, well, I sold one of the banks that want to do it.

[1:06:10] The banks want to hold either apartments or they want something else. They're just not going to do it. And you can say,

[1:06:15] that's not true, and I'd say we'll send them out.

[1:06:18] It's not talked to them anymore.

[1:06:19] I talked to them for three years.

[1:06:20] That's why I need to help from you.

[1:06:22] I want to stimulate this.

[1:06:23] And what I'll do for you is I'll bring my information.

[1:06:27] I'll take that car you're building.

[1:06:29] I'll buy it for you for once you pay for it.

[1:06:31] I will restore it because I've evaluated three times

[1:06:34] because the guy actually defaulted them on the contract for me twice.

[1:06:37] So I've already evaluated from an engineering and structural standpoint.

[1:06:41] And I know I'll fit within my budget.

[1:06:42] And I know that what you can do when you speak to your bond under riders next week, because I've spent time

[1:06:49] Gordon, I just had breakfast with him again earlier this week, and I went over it.

[1:06:53] I know that the least we have in place will support the bond with the extra space.

[1:06:59] I need the extra space to be able to support that.

[1:07:03] I also know because I watch the city for 15 years with what you'll do with the property tax

[1:07:09] statement, you're already going to have to put this in your name anyway. So what we'll do is

[1:07:14] we'll put it in your name. We'll clatter-wise the bond that way. You'll do a silly

[1:07:19] back. If I'm this one payment, you take it. You take every money at that point. It fully clatter-wise

[1:07:24] a sit. We're able to do that. It will jump-start the other block. But what I'll also tell

[1:07:30] you is until such time, as, and I talked in the morning about this until such time, as

[1:07:37] We've activated all of it and we have some senior lending and place on the other.

[1:07:41] Since you have to, you're going to do the property tax for both blocks, the abatement.

[1:07:45] Just like you do anyone, just keep a security position over there.

[1:07:49] You're more than secure at that point.

[1:07:51] That's just like, okay, you're secure by two blocks with a credit tenant over here.

[1:07:56] So that's what you're going to hear from your underwriter next week.

[1:07:58] I've spoken to them many, many times.

[1:08:00] That's how you button it up.

[1:08:01] That's how you secure it.

[1:08:02] You can say, how are you so confident on that?

[1:08:05] bus bond council, I used to do this. Okay I used to do bond

[1:08:08] and council for buildings, like the Cock's Development, and

[1:08:12] Primeter Center and Cindy Springs when we were located. There I actually

[1:08:15] was developing the council, it was different. But I've been

[1:08:18] bond council too for a long term credit bank in others. But that's my

[1:08:22] pitch, that's the concept I'm glad to ask any question you ask, answer any

[1:08:27] question you ask, I'm glad to...work with you. And if you see something

[1:08:32] there, you say, what did you think about this? And why is that a

[1:08:35] I'm glad to be a part of the community, that's who I am.

[1:08:40] I have a question.

[1:08:41] Do you think that parking deck is going to be the easiest to help?

[1:08:44] Do you have enough parking spots with that?

[1:08:47] I'm not going to do a parking deck.

[1:08:48] I'm going to do a flat.

[1:08:50] You have 900 parking spaces within the city.

[1:08:54] You have the church over there.

[1:08:56] You have a parking deck that has a taxpayer on paying for where directly across the street.

[1:09:00] So the parking, so it's a myth when people say we don't have downtown parking.

[1:09:04] is a myth, okay? We have the parking.

[1:09:10] Before Luke, it was by the fox, we have within

[1:09:15] our block, nine hundred spaces that you've secured within walking distance. So it is,

[1:09:21] it is a myth when they say we don't have parking. Here's what you don't have. If you want to pull up

[1:09:28] and if that's where you're eating and you want to park right here, you might not have that.

[1:09:32] Okay, well within this block, you're going to have it, because you and I both know right

[1:09:37] over there is a parking deck, we're paying it for it, right over there with the Baptist

[1:09:41] Church.

[1:09:42] This block in half a way is a huge amount of spaces.

[1:09:46] The dentist office, we have a huge amount, there's some stuff going to go in and we'll illustrate

[1:09:50] where we have a huge amount.

[1:09:51] I would tell you, I can support this with something even easier to work.

[1:09:56] I have about a hundred spaces at my grocery that is very easy to access.

[1:10:01] So, know the parking deck is not being built to support all anticipated needs because we already have the parking here.

[1:10:14] Get the existing whistle stop building, but there you can take it down.

[1:10:22] You know, see, see, one thing I'm sitting there trying to visualize, here you got collar,

[1:10:30] you come across them, and then you go from three-story to one-story, it just seems me,

[1:10:37] like I'd rather see the whistle stop go, and you go ahead and bounce up to three-story

[1:10:44] right there.

[1:10:46] Take me to the street view for a minute.

[1:10:49] All right, well, all right, here's what's the stop.

[1:10:55] What's the stop from an engineering standpoint,

[1:10:57] cannot support something on top of it?

[1:10:59] It's the same thing that we're losing.

[1:11:01] We're really developing a second story.

[1:11:04] When you look at the steel and the engineering

[1:11:06] that needs to go into it, it's a massive,

[1:11:08] it's been supply to collect what's done by the KDA

[1:11:11] for a burger five.

[1:11:12] you really have to subsidize it pretty heavily. I would like to do that for a different

[1:11:18] person. Okay, we won't go into my reason because I like to take it up there because

[1:11:21] you really do eliminate a lot of what I call the remnants of the old geese. Okay, and I've actually

[1:11:28] had users from, it's about 10 years ago, they did studies on what a rooftop bar up here with

[1:11:37] look like, sun studies and how good it would be and that you know they could come make their

[1:11:41] in front of the old, the nostalgic sign or whatever, and I already evaluated that pad.

[1:11:48] It's very, very hard to do. Now, if over time I'm working with Reformation, and so this

[1:11:56] is going to be here and they say, well, we think we can get steel in there. We can open

[1:11:59] that up and go over there and it can be an outside area. We can do it. I would consider it,

[1:12:04] but you're going to go three, two, one, back up the two. You're exactly right.

[1:12:11] I'm not saying to you, it's this team building, I'm saying a tear down what is there to start fresh from the ground up.

[1:12:26] I'm gonna stand way up here.

[1:12:32] And I thought I was gonna have to be like, you'll meet my savior that day when I do work it to me.

[1:12:38] And those buildings do work that day.

[1:12:40] And they were in huge, huge batch day.

[1:12:42] I'm going to look at you as a guy that has developed up in the station.

[1:12:47] I read it over the work after the noise was in there.

[1:12:49] We had to do it and put it to where it not read in the lacy gap, put it in there.

[1:12:53] I read it once for the naston.

[1:12:54] Put it in there.

[1:12:55] I look at trying to restore and save.

[1:12:58] This one is probably in the best shape that any of I had in that base book.

[1:13:03] All right.

[1:13:05] On the inside.

[1:13:06] For me to go standing in front of him right here and explain why I'm going to tear down the

[1:13:11] Yeah, I'm going to show you how to do it.

[1:13:17] I'm good, okay?

[1:13:19] I'm just standing in a way that you're like a ball.

[1:13:21] It's going to hit me.

[1:13:22] Hit me from the HPC.

[1:13:25] Good enough.

[1:13:26] Try to wrap it up the time limit.

[1:13:29] Give up 30 minutes.

[1:13:31] That's what we're running on now.

[1:13:33] I understand your concept and all.

[1:13:35] So if they have specific questions, it's like to ask.

[1:13:39] In the lesson, which we'll pat this pat, you know when the outside of Wilson stop where it has, you could show that the worst framed in with bricks and there were two windows that we're going to activate those so you can go back and forth between the two.

[1:13:56] Well, you got a concept, something for you to work on, possibly bring it back to us, see what we can do.

[1:14:05] If we're like I say it, I want to make sure that all of that rest is here to talk about

[1:14:15] it.

[1:14:15] I just needed your confidence.

[1:14:19] I'd like to say we have to rest is here to talk about it.

[1:14:22] That way, you've got plenty of time to marinate on it,

[1:14:26] and the quality has time to learn about the project.

[1:14:30] I've done these things fast, and I've done these things slow,

[1:14:32] and there's peril in doing them fast, to follow them the thought of it.

[1:14:36] We want to be transparent, and we want to take a,

[1:14:39] We've got any council members who are needed there so we want to take our time.

[1:14:45] Dale, thank you very much.

[1:14:52] Public comments, the floor for public comments is okay.

[1:15:00] Here you're not seeing them, the floor is closed, sorry.

[1:15:05] Okay, let's get set up.

[1:15:09] Yeah, conference.

[1:15:17] All right, Pat. Good.

[1:15:18] It has been a long meeting, mayor.

[1:15:21] Oh, and we do have to go into executive tonight.

[1:15:24] The only thing I want to mention of the Christmas lights ever to be

[1:15:30] park in. It looks wonderful. I don't know if that's public work. I'm not sure who picks

[1:15:37] those in. The great job definitely would recommend everybody come drive around. Big

[1:15:44] shanny up Sarastrie. See all that go for walk in the deep of park. I mean it is lovely.

[1:15:52] That's it, Mayor.

[1:15:55] Okay, thank you.

[1:15:57] Anything.

[1:15:58] I'm happy to keep my comments short this week.

[1:16:01] I think I'd like to catch pretty soon.

[1:16:03] Tonight?

[1:16:08] Yeah.

[1:16:09] Not late.

[1:16:14] Keep driving.

[1:16:15] All right.

[1:16:16] Don't you.

[1:16:17] There if you would just touch on the veterans to event for us.

[1:16:22] It was a great event.

[1:16:23] I would say I would like to, I know it takes some time,

[1:16:25] but if we can maybe organize it better, it's a parade.

[1:16:29] And there's not more on your plate.

[1:16:31] I think Mary, that it does a fun job with the parade.

[1:16:34] We'll stick the Christmas parade and providing lunch

[1:16:37] because that's something that they don't do.

[1:16:41] The veterans won it less than one in 10 people are veterans.

[1:16:47] And I think to other than the lunch is the least

[1:16:49] that we can do.

[1:16:51] And that thing I'll think about too as well, Mary,

[1:16:52] if we can maybe compile the quality of members

[1:16:55] I know it was part of the huge test, but here one who's I guess in a very long loss of life a service

[1:16:59] It's area or a survey on each and maybe we can put like their

[1:17:04] pictures

[1:17:04] Day of Schools

[1:17:06] What would you call those banners on the high poles and maybe show how like their services and the allowed the

[1:17:12] Who's taking notes?

[1:17:15] The allowed the very dispenser maybe one of those banners have something else I was thinking about but it's a great event here

[1:17:27] I'm going to talk really slow.

[1:17:30] Now I just can't believe it's November 12th and we're like less than a month away from

[1:17:34] Santa Parade.

[1:17:36] I am not ready.

[1:17:36] 10% of the year.

[1:17:38] That's it.

[1:17:39] And remember we have the public comments that we're going to vote on Monday that the continuation

[1:17:50] of the public comments for sessions that will be Monday and it will be a discussion

[1:17:55] for one day.

[1:17:57] Yes, sir.

[1:17:57] Okay.

[1:18:00] All right.

[1:18:00] We're going to go into executive session for the land.

[1:18:04] Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes everything that we have for our public meeting, if

[1:18:08] you decide to stay.

[1:18:10] So we come back.

[1:18:11] Thank you.

[1:18:12] If not, tonight, God bless, safe, early home, and we'll see you next week.

[1:18:21] Jim has allowed about post-CGA-152 and 154 and pursuant to advice by the city attorney

[1:18:27] The purpose of discussing land, all in favor, I

[1:25:28] knew that this body and open session direct the

[1:25:30] presiding officer to execute and happen daily, they could climb to OSUGA at 5144, and that

[1:25:35] this body ratifies the actions of the council taking a closed session, it confirms the subject

[1:25:39] matters of the closed session, where we then, expectations permitted by the open moves law.

[1:25:44] Thank you.

[1:25:45] On favour?

[1:25:47] I'm just kidding.

[1:25:48] I'm just kidding.

[1:25:48] Can I everybody get that?

[1:25:50] Yes sir.

[1:25:51] Can I have a bullet today?

[1:25:53] Neither one of us is me.

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