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I want to call the um
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committee meeting for August 5th to
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order.
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Um, first on the list is the community
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of whole and that would be Dom with July
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Yard Beautifification Awards.
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Okay,
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so there's our awesome sign. You'll see
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it at the following homes. Is this Am I
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using this clicker?
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You're doing it for me. Okay, thank you.
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Next.
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Okay, so first this is Liz and Kyle's
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house, and they're actually here today.
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um their neighbors who submitted them,
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they said that they take pride in their
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yard and in the garden. They're very
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intentional to have native plants and
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are also very intentional to remove
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invasive species. Side note, Kyle is the
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forestry teacher at Roosevelt, so he
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kind of he this is natural for him.
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>> Can I jump in? Aren't you forestry
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teacher of the year? Is that correct?
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>> Yeah. All right. [clears throat]
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of the year like in Ohio.
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>> Okay. Very humble brag over here. So
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very proud of that. Um and then the next
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one is Renee and Randy Rich. I don't
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know how to say that.
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>> Thank you. Um the folks who submitted
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them, they had said that while there's
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not a built garden, um they impressively
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used their yards for their yard and
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their sideyard for native plants and
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flowers and vegetables as well. Um and
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Renee was super generous um when I was
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there giving her her sign. She's like,
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"Do you want some of my plants?" And I'm
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like, "I mean, yes, actually, I probably
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will come back and get some." So, uh, if
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you want to stop over at 237 Highland,
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I'm sure she'll give you some as well.
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So, that's who we have. If you see these
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signs, um, make sure you or if you know
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these people, say thank you for having
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great yards. And I'm going to take a
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picture if you guys don't mind. Come up
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here with counsel.
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Congratulations.
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» And side note, this isn't on there, but
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tomorrow is another movie night. So if
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you have people who want to come to
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Artemis Park at 7 o'clock.
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» Thanks Tom.
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Update Steve.
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We don't have any
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» just
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updates.
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>> Okay. Uh council pending list update.
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Yes.
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Um, we missed 1.3.
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>> 1.3 is postponed.
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>> Oh, it is. I apologize for
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most
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next month.
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» Sorry. Thank you very much. This tends
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to be I'm having a night. Um, [laughter]
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this tends to be stuff that is more
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longer serving, sometimes intentionally
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waiting on things, sometimes just
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keeping it on the list because it's a
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topical area that you guys have said,
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"Yeah, you've satisfied the original
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motion, but we still care about this
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topic enough that we can just keep it on
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the list." We're fine with that. Um,
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remember too that this is not the ten
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commandments written in stone. You can
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change this. You can add it. does it
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gets added to um and I know at the
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previous meeting Mr. Hook made a motion
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to remove something. So, we've reflected
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that in here. Anyway, so you can it's your to-do list. Our I should say
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our to-do list because it's kind of a
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joint effort, right? Um so, some of
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these will look familiar to you. Uh this
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first one here, explore senior center
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advisory committee. That was the
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original motion was just a uh Melissa
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Long dated how dated that is. She wanted
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a actual separate standalone just we
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have sustainability commission. She
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wanted a senior citizen commission.
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Basically, um council said, "We really
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like senior citizens, but we don't want
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to get in the habit of having a bunch of
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different commissions. We think we can
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represent those interests in the council
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chambers and um without a standalone
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commission." But they said, "We care
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enough about seniors and we want to we
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had some speakers come in and talked
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about what senior services were in other
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cities and there's not a lot of senior
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support uh senior activities here.
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There's certainly support agencies, but
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uh like a senior center. And if you
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recall, part of our inspiration for
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buying the church was Angela had some
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interest in perhaps trying to convert
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that to a senior activity center. It's
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still a work in progress. She's not here
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tonight, but um I I've been on part of
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conversations with her getting a
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contractor in there to really figure out
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what it would take to turn that into a
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usable senior. It doesn't. She hasn't
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specifically said seniors yet, but an
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activity center of some sort, which
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seniors would be on that list. So, it's
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still ongoing. We're happy to keep it on
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there. I think that's what I
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recommended. Yeah, keep it on there. So,
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that' be that recommendation. Um,
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we had a conversation about
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Franklin Township sidewalk shoveling in
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that section. It's kind of like a little
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bit into the city, a little out of the
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city, then back in the city. It's that
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and and it's not all sidewalked. Um some
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of parts of it has sidewalk. Now Jim is
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got that project in that section. Once
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East Maine wraps up hopefully carries
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that all the way down to 261 and a big
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part of the funding which he's got much
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of the funding secured for that. So
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we're we're excited about that. And
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that'll have actual designated wide
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sidewalks pulled back a little bit off
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the roadway. Um I think that's when this
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really matters. But in the meantime, uh
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we did learn a couple things that we
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actually do where there is sidewalk, we
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parks and wreck will continue down the
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hill for much of that section um where
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there's sidewalk, not where there's not.
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Uh and Bridget's folks um you know, they
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do distribute the notices at the start
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of the season and when there's man-made
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piles or now this year natural
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accumulations, she will notify those
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businesses that they need to do it. Now,
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um I guess we we can't cite the ones
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that are technically not in the city,
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but we can certainly ask them to be good
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business neighbors. So, um we're happy
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fine keeping it on the list if that's
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what you want. You could also probably
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remove it, but it's totally up to you.
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Um, I would like to keep it on the list
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because it is really about a partnership
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and that hasn't really been
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worked through and you know we are all
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looking forward to the day when
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sidewalks will be complete and it might
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it it might you know for resources p
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purposes we might want to keep that
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partnership idea rather than taking it
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all on ourselves. But it's I think it's
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worth um I think I think when the public
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and the township people in the township
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see how wonderful it can be to have
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walkability then there's going to be
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more interest in resource sharing at
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that point. So let's keep it on.
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>> Um
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the consent number three was the consent
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agenda and that was removed. You've
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already voted to remove that. So that
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was what Mr. Hook made a motion to um
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noise ordinance. I think I suspect
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that'll always be an ongoing issue of
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one version of another. You have had
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conversations. We have made changes, but
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I think there's still even more a couple
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things that we're still looking at
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trying to gather more information. Um
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and there's a couple different
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ironically a couple of the outstanding
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requests were the opposite. It was to
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lighten to loosen the the noise
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ordinance. Um, and those were by people
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that got cited. So, uh, anyways,
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[laughter]
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you can't please everybody all the time.
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Um, I we think we try to strike a a fair
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balance and um, yeah, so I think we keep
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that one on the list as far as we're
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concerned unless you're inspired to
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remove it. um
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the downtown historic district that it's
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probably best if just read that
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paragraph but um there has been a lot of
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discussion activity on at the end of the
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day a lot of the uh historic design
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elements were incorporated into the
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zoning code. you um ceased the ARB
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functionality
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um and council
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had previously
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um and I think it's still the same
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sentiment that hey any property owner
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that wants to voluntarily you know make
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their property designation uh for
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historic we welcome that and we've got
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the ability to do it quickly we have the
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expedited CLG certification so and we've
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done that you this council's probably I
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one earlier this year. Um but the the
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idea of us imposing drawing lines and
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imposing this on people uh property
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owners
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council's been and staff has not
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recommended that either. I think you
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could remove that from the list what
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that would be. Um I'll finish and then
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you can decide which ones you want to
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keep. Um the architectural review board
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that one also you pretty much have by
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default
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removed its existence and the
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functionality. So I think that goes away
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but keep in mind that doesn't mean this
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next month or this month you could reput
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it. You could have a new version of
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that. So, I know sometimes because there
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are folks that this does matter to this
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concept, even though the original motion
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to put it on the pending list has sort
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of been resolved. Um, it doesn't mean it
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goes away forever. So, if you don't want
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it to go away forever. So, I would just
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share that with you. I think for this at
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this point, that one probably I would
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lean more towards. It's probably worth
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removing that from your list. Um,
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yeah, this next one, the requirement for
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in-person board interviews and
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commission interviews, staff doesn't
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really have a strong opinion on that
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one. That's kind of, I guess, up to you
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guys to talk about. Um, and we haven't
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scheduled time for that in committee,
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but I guess that's what would need to
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happen. I don't I don't get the sense
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that it's a stressful, urgent item or or
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somebody would have brought it up. I
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actually think some of this came from
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your predecessors. So, I don't know how
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much you guys even carry uh carried
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interest in this. Um I believe it was
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Jeff that made a referral for the
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arborist. It was tree issues on during
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inspections. Can we flag some tree
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issues, tree safety issues on private
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property, particularly rentals? And so
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Bridget worked on that. I think she's
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talked to Jeff on that. We've
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incorporated some new forms, referral
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forms that her inspectors can use to in
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advise central maintenance when they see
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a tree that we ought to have our arbors
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take a look at. Um, we don't have the
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staffing to do every tree and every
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rental inspection. So, we don't want to
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make it part of the specific rental
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process, but if it uh if we're there,
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we're happy to flag it and and start,
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you know, kind of its own process at
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that point. Um, so far so good. I mean,
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it's it's just been this year that
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bridges started that, but I hadn't seen
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any um push back on that. And then
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lastly, the um the warming centers
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concept, you know, you guys added
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$10,000. Is that right? And and we uh
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That's right. And then we um we did that
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two seasons now, I think. So, you had
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continued the pilot. You authorized its
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continuation. So, I don't think we need
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to keep it on the list anymore, but
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again, we're fine to go whatever
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direction you want. So, those are the
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items before you. Hey guys, what what
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are your wishes here?
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» I go down the line.
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>> Okay. Start down there, Ben. Kind of go
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down the line.
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>> That will be retain or remove. Yeah. or
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should we just pick one and then we'll
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just kind of get a problem here.
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>> So start with the uh senior center
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advisory committee.
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» Yes.
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Okay,
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>> I agree with Sarah. Let's remove it.
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>> I
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can because we can put this back as a in
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a different form perhaps. Um I agree
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that the senior center advisory
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committee has been on here long enough.
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I think we're moving forward and maybe
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we'll come up with something else and
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put it on later. So, I'm I'm fine with
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removing
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>> Eric. Remove.
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>> Remove.
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>> Okay.
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>> So, it's gone.
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>> Should I Should I do all in favor of
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removing?
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Yeah. All those people in favor of
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removing it raise their hand. I
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>> I
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>> opposed. Okay. So, it's removed.
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discussion of the Franklin Township or
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on sidewalk shoveling.
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We just do all those who want it
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removed.
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It probably easier, right?
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>> All those in favor of removing that from
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the pending list.
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>> All those who want it it remained on the
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pending list. I
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>> Okay, remains.
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>> Exploring the use of the consent agenda
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was already been removed.
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Uh, council committee noise ordinance
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review
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in favor of removing
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one. All those in favor of keeping
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four or five. So yeah. So it remains
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downtown historic district. All those in
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favor of removing pending list.
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>> One, two, three, four, five. All remd.
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Role of the architectural review board.
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All those in favor of removing I.
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>> I.
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>> Okay. Passes.
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Um.
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Okay. Requirement of for in-person board
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interviews.
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All those in favor of removing.
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All those in favor of keeping it on the
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pending list. Okay. So that keeps on.
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Number five. Arborous and Health
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Department included in rental
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inspections. All those in favor of
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removing I.
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>> Okay, it's removed. And warming centers
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for the unhoused.
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All those in favor of removing
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three four. So those who want to keep it
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on
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one. So it's removed.
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Okay,
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>> that's it. Thank you, mayor.
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>> Thank you.
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All right.
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So, next is
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community development.
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>> All right.
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Um and Bridget's coming up. We're going
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to talk about the economic development
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strategy update.
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>> Yes. Um, we have a consultant here today
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that I'm going to actually turn the mic
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over to let him introduce himself and uh
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talk about his process for the economic
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development strategy. But I did want to
[19:21]
give everybody a little background on
[19:23]
how we identify consultants. For those
[19:25]
of you that may not be familiar, uh, the
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community development department issues
[19:29]
requests for qualifications and we
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identify consultants that have done the
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work that we are seeking in other Ohio
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cities. The consultant doesn't
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necessarily need to be based in Ohio,
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but we find that it really makes a
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difference if they have familiarity with
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the state of Ohio and its laws and have
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done work specifically in Northeast
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Ohio. Um, the assistant uh community
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development director worked with me on
[19:55]
identifying five consultants that had
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done work in Ohio and uh we received
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just one proposal but ironically it came
[20:02]
from the one that we were hoping for. uh
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he has an extensive CV as which I
[20:06]
included in my packet. He has done um
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basically economic development strategic
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work worldwide but more importantly also
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in Northeast Ohio in um many different
[20:18]
details and formats. Uh so far it has
[20:20]
been um a wonderful experience with him
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and I would like to have Randol Gross
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come up and he can talk to you about his
[20:26]
experience and what he's going to be
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doing with Kent.
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Thank you, Bridget.
[20:34]
Hello everyone.
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I'm Randy Gross. I'm an economic and
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strategic planning consultant based in
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Nashville. Uh Randle Gross Development
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Economics is the full name of my firm,
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which is a mouthful. Sorry about that.
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Um I've been consulting almost 40 years,
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so a lot of gray hair up here. And maybe
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about 700 or so projects worldwide. I
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had an office in Washington DC, London
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and Johannesburg, South Africa for many
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years. Have worked all over Southern
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Africa, West Africa, Europe and the
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North America primarily but have done
[21:09]
training actually worldwide. So um lot
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of experience in different aspects of
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economic development which is maybe
[21:18]
about 40 or 50% of my work. I also do a
[21:21]
lot of real estate market analysis and
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financial feasibility assessment which
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is also an important part of my work and
[21:28]
of course they're
[21:30]
interface between the two of those and
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then I do a lot of economic and fiscal
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analysis economic fiscal impact analysis
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and other types of fiscal studies and a variety of other things. For
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example, in Africa I did a lot of
[21:44]
agricultural economics um and
[21:46]
conservation economics. So, my
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experience comes from a broad array of
[21:51]
different areas. Um, in addition to work
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internationally, as Bridget mentioned,
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I've worked in in Northeast Ohio quite a
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bit, in your neighboring community of
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Hudson, in um well, Hudson as well as in
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Stowe, in Cleveland, in Independence,
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some other communities in Northeast
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Ohio. So in addition to that, other
[22:11]
parts of Ohio and a lot of college towns
[22:14]
all over the place, including Granville,
[22:16]
Ohio, which you're probably familiar
[22:18]
with, and Oxford, Ohio, some others. So
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I know a little bit about where you're
[22:23]
coming from here, but the purpose of
[22:25]
this trip that I'm on now is to really
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learn and listen from you about what
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your priorities are, what your interests
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are, what direction uh you'd like to see
[22:35]
yourselves going in.
[22:37]
So, I've been holding some interviews
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this trip uh with different folks uh
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that were recommended to me uh including
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uh and I cannot pronounce his last name,
[22:47]
but Don Sheldall
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>> um as well as some folks from Davy Tree
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um some folks from the Portage
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Development uh uh agency
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um as well as a small business person
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I'll be meeting with in downtown and
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some representatives of Penn State
[23:07]
University, but I welcome any
[23:09]
suggestions you have on others uh to
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meet with while I'm here. I'll also be
[23:13]
inventorying everything and doing site
[23:16]
analysis and looking at everything
[23:17]
that's here now so that I have a feel
[23:20]
for the context of of what we're working
[23:22]
with. And I'll be when I'm in downtown,
[23:25]
for example, we'll be stopping at a lot
[23:26]
of the businesses and conducting some ad
[23:29]
hoc interviews with with the folks that
[23:31]
are working here as well. So, um, that's
[23:35]
kind of what I'm doing on this trip.
[23:38]
I'll be also conducting two more trips.
[23:40]
So, I want to have an interface with you
[23:42]
on those as well to give you feedback on
[23:44]
what I'm doing and where I am with
[23:46]
things as well as to present some uh
[23:49]
preliminary findings or strategies when
[23:51]
I get to the end. There'll be in
[23:54]
addition to the site assessment,
[23:55]
there'll be socioeconomic baseline
[23:57]
analysis. So, looking at all of your
[23:59]
trends. I've already been reviewing a
[24:01]
lot of the documentation that that
[24:03]
Bridget and her team have provided. Um,
[24:06]
and there's a lot of it. So, there was
[24:09]
the strategic plan you did last year,
[24:12]
2025, which I have reviewed. Um, and a
[24:16]
lot of other things. So, I've been going
[24:17]
through all of that documentation.
[24:19]
Um, I'll be doing a benchmarking
[24:22]
assessment. So, one of the questions I
[24:23]
have for you tonight is what communities
[24:26]
you'd like me to look at in addition to
[24:28]
the ones that I select on my own in
[24:30]
terms of benchmarking the city for
[24:32]
economic development um against others,
[24:35]
for example, in Northeast Ohio or
[24:37]
elsewhere. So, I'm interested in your
[24:39]
opinion on that.
[24:42]
I'll be sort of conducting a target
[24:44]
market analysis.
[24:46]
And you know, right now when I looked at
[24:47]
the strategic plan, I noticed that
[24:49]
you're really looking at Northeast Ohio
[24:51]
information about what the target
[24:52]
industries are, what types of businesses
[24:56]
um you're looking at as a region. But
[24:58]
the purpose of this or one of the
[24:59]
purposes of this is really to focus on
[25:01]
what is specifically your targets and your needs for for your comm your
[25:08]
community u for Kent. So that'll be a
[25:11]
big part of what I'm doing as well. And
[25:13]
then there'll be economic development
[25:16]
strategies and an implementation action
[25:18]
plan that will be developed out of this
[25:21]
that'll address things like business
[25:23]
retention and growth, marketing and
[25:25]
recruitment, entrepreneurship,
[25:28]
uh keeping downtown vibrant, uh, real
[25:31]
estate and development, relationships
[25:33]
with your various partners,
[25:35]
infrastructure, leveraging, all of those
[25:37]
types of things. But I'll be hearing
[25:39]
from you as well iteratively. So, I want
[25:41]
to know what other things you'll be
[25:42]
wanting me to look at. And there'll also
[25:43]
be metrics as part of this to sort of
[25:45]
measure your progress going forward. And
[25:49]
of course, all of this will be contained
[25:50]
in a written report. So, for tonight, as
[25:54]
I mentioned before, I'd like to hear
[25:55]
from you a little bit about what you
[25:57]
feel the priorities are for economic
[25:59]
development, if I have enough time to do
[26:01]
that.
[26:01]
>> Okay. and also sort of what benchmarking
[26:06]
you'd like me to see uh you'd like me to
[26:08]
do in terms of Northeast Ohio or
[26:10]
elsewhere, communities that you feel
[26:13]
have been successful or that have
[26:15]
achieved the kinds of things you'd like
[26:17]
to achieve here um in the ways that
[26:20]
you'd like to see economic development
[26:21]
achieved. So, I'm opening up the floor
[26:25]
to you for also for any questions you
[26:26]
have about me or my background as we
[26:29]
move forward, but
[26:31]
>> it's up to you now.
[26:32]
>> So, uh, who would like to start?
[26:35]
>> I've got a few.
[26:37]
>> Um, hi.
[26:38]
>> Hi.
[26:39]
>> Welcome.
[26:39]
>> Thank you.
[26:40]
>> Welcome, Ken. Um, so a couple maybe some
[26:44]
suggestions on additional persons to
[26:46]
meet with. maybe a copen machine because
[26:48]
they're medium-sized and because we just
[26:51]
invested in their future and it's
[26:53]
directly adjacent to our downtown and
[26:56]
employment growth is the projection.
[27:00]
>> Okay, perfect.
[27:02]
>> Right.
[27:03]
>> Um so like medium-sized businesses like
[27:05]
what is what is the environment for
[27:07]
that? Of course small businesses but I
[27:10]
just want to catch the spectrum. you're
[27:12]
already meeting with Davey, which is
[27:13]
great that you know, as long as we get
[27:15]
the spectrum so that we're
[27:18]
>> as knowledgeable as possible about all
[27:20]
the different potential entities that
[27:22]
might be interested in being in a place
[27:23]
like Kent.
[27:24]
>> Um, when it comes to benchmarking, I
[27:28]
don't think there's another Kent in
[27:30]
northeastern Ohio. And so, it's just
[27:32]
really hard to think about what that
[27:33]
benchmark is. And so, gosh, I'd look to
[27:36]
your expertise and thinking more broadly
[27:38]
around benchmarking. Surely there's some
[27:40]
economic indicators that you can look to
[27:43]
for benchmarking, but our vibe is very
[27:46]
different than the Hudson and Stow that
[27:49]
you've already done some work with. Um,
[27:52]
and because of our very real and large
[27:55]
college,
[27:56]
>> right?
[27:56]
>> Uh, and our boundaries, our sizing for
[27:59]
sure as well. Um, that's where I'll
[28:03]
start and I'll just pass it to some
[28:04]
other
[28:05]
>> Can I ask Benjamin?
[28:06]
>> Yeah.
[28:07]
>> Benjamin works at the university.
[28:08]
>> Okay. Do you have college towns that you
[28:11]
would say, "Man, these are some of my
[28:13]
favorite and they are similar to Kent
[28:15]
maybe." Do you have anything like that you could think of given your
[28:18]
>> I I I believe I know who you're meeting
[28:20]
with at the university and they will
[28:22]
have a good answer to that. [laughter]
[28:24]
>> Okay.
[28:25]
>> Yeah, I think you're meeting with Dana.
[28:27]
>> Yes, meeting with Dana on Friday.
[28:29]
>> Nick, perfect. They will have a a better
[28:32]
answer than I have because they have it
[28:33]
on the ready.
[28:36]
And I should say also that as Bridget
[28:39]
mentioned, I will be having focus groups
[28:41]
next time I I'm here that will have
[28:43]
representatives of a broad array of
[28:45]
different sectors of your local economy,
[28:47]
including small businesses, womanowned
[28:49]
businesses, for example, different types
[28:51]
of groups and um so I'll hear from a
[28:54]
diverse array of different types of
[28:55]
businesses and sizes. I will add a
[29:00]
number of constituents have approached
[29:02]
me and said, "Gosh, it'd be nice if we
[29:04]
had more businesses like Sugaren Falls
[29:08]
so that you can walk around and peruse."
[29:10]
That has been mentioned to me a number
[29:11]
of times.
[29:14]
I don't know if that's possible because
[29:18]
I know that retail business is very very hard and we do have so much
[29:25]
storefront that is and we and we do have
[29:28]
vacancies and so you know those are very
[29:30]
real things to our downtown and then we
[29:33]
have you know draw some concentric
[29:35]
circles outside of the downtown and we
[29:37]
need to think about all areas as well.
[29:40]
>> Okay. Yeah.
[29:41]
>> I'll pass the mic.
[29:44]
Are you ready, Melissa?
[29:46]
I'm not going to take up too much
[29:48]
because I we already spoke for well over
[29:49]
an hour, but the one thing that we
[29:51]
didn't talk about that ties into what
[29:53]
Benjamin's talking about is that we
[29:55]
really have an issue with parking
[29:57]
>> and that impacts our retail
[29:59]
establishments and it's it definitely
[30:02]
impacts uh the churn that we talked
[30:05]
about and even though we don't
[30:08]
necessarily think of that in economic
[30:10]
development terms, it's a really big
[30:12]
issue um for the downtown businesses. So
[30:15]
that that idea of walkability is really
[30:18]
true. I mean, Ben and I both walk all
[30:20]
over the town, so do other people here,
[30:23]
but from a stores perspective,
[30:27]
>> it's retail is hard. We don't want to
[30:29]
make it harder,
[30:30]
>> right?
[30:31]
>> So,
[30:31]
>> okay.
[30:32]
>> And and I think in every downtown I work
[30:34]
in, parking is one of the top three
[30:37]
issues.
[30:38]
>> Yes, [laughter] of course.
[30:39]
>> Yeah. We're glad you're here. Thank you.
[30:41]
>> What are the other two?
[30:43]
>> [laughter]
[30:45]
>> Um,
[30:46]
well, it's different in every community,
[30:48]
but parking is a consistent one because
[30:50]
everyone, you know, in America, we're
[30:52]
used to parking in right next to where
[30:54]
we want to go with convenience. So,
[30:56]
that's a big deal
[30:57]
>> a lot of places.
[30:59]
>> Yeah.
[31:02]
>> Yep.
[31:02]
>> And then if if you do look at Sugarin
[31:04]
Falls, they have a walkable little town
[31:07]
with some parking. Um, but it does not
[31:11]
impact their retail like it does here
[31:14]
because they do have some really
[31:16]
successful retail and I only know this
[31:18]
because I run a farmers market in their
[31:20]
downtown.
[31:21]
>> Okay.
[31:24]
» Thank you.
[31:26]
>> Who else would like to speak?
[31:30]
» No.
[31:32]
Nobody else. I would like to talk.
[31:34]
>> Good. But I'm running this meeting,
[31:36]
>> so I can't.
[31:37]
>> Oh,
[31:38]
>> can we meet?
[31:39]
>> I'm the downtown council representative
[31:42]
and I have a lot of very strong opinions
[31:44]
and
[31:45]
>> interests in economic development.
[31:48]
>> Okay.
[31:50]
>> Is there anything else anyone wants to
[31:51]
say about prior their priorities for
[31:54]
economic what you feel are the your
[31:55]
priorities or has it all been captured
[31:57]
in the strategic plan that I've read?
[32:00]
>> Priorities. I can I just add that
[32:04]
council has been I don't know kneede hip
[32:07]
deep in what we sort of anecdotally
[32:10]
called downtown part two which was along
[32:14]
the river railroad corridor. It's start
[32:17]
it's a they're doing like a strategic
[32:18]
planning exercise in conjunction with
[32:20]
community members too and we I don't
[32:22]
know if we've shared that information
[32:24]
with you Randy but um
[32:27]
there's been a lot of conversation about
[32:30]
that we've we've built this great sort
[32:33]
of physical infrastructure downtown and now we just need to continue to
[32:37]
activate and animate it and a lot of
[32:39]
that seems to resonate really well with
[32:41]
sort of experiential
[32:43]
retail experiential dining
[32:46]
>> and and I think Shagrin Falls has some
[32:48]
of that feel to it, too. I haven't spent
[32:50]
much time there, but um I think we're
[32:54]
leaning more and more towards what can
[32:57]
we do add into the downtown
[33:01]
amenity wise sort of quality of life
[33:04]
things. There's been a um there was a
[33:06]
master plan done for parks and
[33:08]
recreation and one of their top
[33:09]
priorities was more small recreational
[33:13]
activity things for families and others
[33:16]
downtown sort of worked into the the
[33:20]
general topography down there. And uh
[33:22]
Sarah's probably going to raise her hand
[33:24]
and say she wants the the London Eye. Uh
[33:28]
[laughter]
[33:29]
>> okay. But those but the it's been a fun
[33:31]
process because we're spitballing ideas
[33:36]
and and we've got a fair number of those
[33:38]
and we're happy at some point. I don't
[33:39]
know if we've sh we've given you an elf.
[33:41]
I know he's like no more. So
[33:43]
>> no I did say no more. Bring it on. I
[33:45]
mean but but there the experiential
[33:48]
component and that word actually was
[33:49]
used multiple times in the strategic
[33:51]
plan. So I was familiar with that but
[33:53]
the specific ideas that you have I
[33:55]
welcome whatever
[33:57]
>> concepts that's what I was going to say.
[33:59]
So when you're looking at this plan,
[34:02]
you're also going to look at what's the
[34:04]
community's already contributed to our
[34:06]
downtown part two. Okay. So all the way
[34:10]
at the tippy tippy top
[34:13]
uh splash pad. [laughter]
[34:16]
>> Yeah. And that was on the list.
[34:17]
>> Any amphitheater. So those kind of
[34:19]
things if you're looking
[34:22]
in like those those habitually come back
[34:26]
from community members that they want to
[34:27]
see more family oriented things and
[34:32]
actually things that are geared toward
[34:35]
un university students as well. So will
[34:39]
you be here for flashes first Friday
[34:42]
because maybe you should come.
[34:44]
>> What time of day is that?
[34:48]
Oh, he won't be here. You should come
[34:50]
back. It'll be a good opportunity to
[34:52]
meet with people.
[34:53]
>> Video. That's right.
[34:54]
>> That would be good. See,
[34:56]
>> I I think it's important there's maybe
[34:59]
it may not be self-evident, but in the
[35:02]
spirit of putting our money where our
[35:04]
mouth is. Council is investing, we're
[35:08]
anticipating quarter of a million
[35:09]
dollars specifically into parks and
[35:11]
recreation for the first time ever
[35:12]
because they're they're kind of
[35:14]
self-funded. And the reason I point that
[35:16]
out is because we're categorizing a lot
[35:19]
whether it's splash pad a downtown
[35:21]
ferris wheel or I mean we jokingly but
[35:24]
we think it's important to
[35:26]
>> throw everything out that those are
[35:29]
supportable as economic development
[35:32]
investments. So it's kind of we've
[35:35]
broadened the we've gone from the bricks
[35:37]
and mortar of the downtown redo that we
[35:40]
spent 10 years doing to now we're sort
[35:42]
of I call it the soft tissue. We built
[35:44]
the hard tish, the bones, and and now to
[35:47]
optimize the hard stuff, we want to
[35:49]
really build the soft stuff, the people
[35:51]
stuff. And that's where we're hearing it
[35:54]
resonate really well that that splash
[35:56]
pad, you name any kind of those
[35:58]
amenities, access to the river,
[36:00]
Whitewater Park downtown, you know, all
[36:03]
these kind of amenities, trail access,
[36:06]
we think those are fair game as part of
[36:09]
an economic development strategy. I
[36:11]
don't know if we've explicitly said that
[36:12]
to you, but I would tell you that it
[36:14]
it's meaningful here because they're
[36:15]
even putting a quarter of a million
[36:17]
dollars towards it.
[36:18]
>> And I think what what I usually start
[36:20]
with are your existing strengths or
[36:22]
assets and and anything related to
[36:25]
economic development or downtown
[36:27]
revitalization, whatever. And I think,
[36:29]
you know, you have a river, it's
[36:31]
connected to a national park, correct?
[36:34]
And so,
[36:37]
you know, looking at that as an asset
[36:39]
and how you can build on that downtown
[36:42]
to me rings a bell. Like an idea that I
[36:45]
think is very well placed. Things like
[36:48]
splash pads and all of that can actually
[36:50]
fit in nicely with trails with river
[36:53]
kaying activity with river access. And
[36:56]
so there ways to tie those things
[36:58]
together,
[36:59]
>> make it work.
[37:00]
>> And that's what I was going to say too
[37:01]
when we're talking about downtown. We as
[37:03]
a council have talked a lot about
[37:07]
um getting access to the river before
[37:10]
other towns around us do it. So that's
[37:13]
super important I think as well and it
[37:15]
will bring families of all ages
[37:18]
together. So I think that that's really
[37:20]
important that you can spend some time
[37:23]
looking at that for us.
[37:25]
I was just going to go actually I was
[37:27]
going to go more specifically into the
[37:29]
river talk is that there there's a dam
[37:31]
10 miles downstream that's coming out
[37:33]
that will open the river basically from
[37:34]
just the north side of Kent to I don't
[37:37]
know what the next dam I don't think
[37:38]
exists anymore. I think it's the last
[37:39]
dam on the river until you get to the
[37:40]
national park. So
[37:42]
>> two of the towns downstream of us are
[37:44]
already planning to see what they can do
[37:45]
to capitalize on it. But we're furthest
[37:47]
upstream. So, I think we need to be
[37:49]
first of the party and it's like a once
[37:51]
in a generation or once in a lifetime.
[37:54]
That dam's been there for 90 years. So,
[37:56]
once in a lifetime opportunity to cash
[37:57]
in on what's in our downtown. So, I
[38:00]
think that needs to be a top priority
[38:01]
because we don't get this chance again.
[38:04]
>> And it also fits nicely with the
[38:06]
university, you know, having here and
[38:09]
everything else.
[38:12]
>> Ben,
[38:13]
>> yeah. Uh, couple more comments. Um the
[38:17]
recreation I double down on that. So
[38:20]
like we have the opportunity to invest
[38:22]
in that but we cannot
[38:25]
our hands are tied a lot in private
[38:27]
investment and and economic development
[38:29]
in some ways. We can just provide a good
[38:32]
atmosphere for those investments. I was
[38:34]
looking over your scope of work and it
[38:36]
doesn't include housing and I know that
[38:38]
we're doing a housing study,
[38:40]
>> but if there was a way to consider the
[38:43]
economics of of adjacency for housing.
[38:46]
So I we know anecdotally or I I'll I'll
[38:50]
speak in I terms. I know anecdotally
[38:53]
that more young families want to live in
[38:55]
Kent that are not able to.
[38:58]
Um,
[39:00]
and what does that mean for economic
[39:03]
development? Like, uh, and I'm sure the
[39:07]
housing study will illustrate housing
[39:10]
stock. We're 60% rental as a town, but a
[39:14]
lot of that rental is students that
[39:16]
attend the university. And so, it's
[39:18]
transient. It's shortterm. Literally,
[39:20]
it's four years in and out, three years
[39:23]
in and out, less than sometimes. Um,
[39:26]
andor it's moving around. And so there's
[39:28]
not as long of a an investment made by
[39:31]
those uh individuals just because of
[39:33]
time. Um
[39:37]
had one more point and I lost it. It'll
[39:40]
come to me.
[39:40]
>> It'll come. It'll come.
[39:42]
>> Anybody else?
[39:45]
>> It came. Um [laughter] the the
[39:49]
short-term rentals like the Airbnbs in
[39:51]
the area
[39:53]
are renting to those that are coming to
[39:55]
the national park. So we are in the
[39:58]
concentric circle of people coming for
[40:00]
the national park in addition to other
[40:02]
reasons. So we're already connected to
[40:06]
the national park. people are staying
[40:08]
this far away to visit that national
[40:10]
park and we can benefit from that and we
[40:14]
can probably say that better because
[40:16]
it's already happening and we can
[40:18]
probably say that louder and with river
[40:23]
access and direct connection and all the
[40:26]
other connective tissue that we could
[40:28]
draw. Okay.
[40:30]
>> Because the national park isn't going
[40:32]
anywhere and um and it's really close at
[40:35]
hand.
[40:36]
>> Both.
[40:40]
» So, so I would like to um make a few
[40:42]
summary statements. That okay,
[40:45]
everybody. Okay. First of all, we we
[40:48]
pride ourselves on being unique. We
[40:50]
pride ourselves on being at ahead of the
[40:51]
curve. We developed Kent as a
[40:54]
destination. Unfortunately, a lot of
[40:56]
other communities kind of ripped off
[40:59]
some of what we've done and they're
[41:00]
trying to replicate it. So, we need to
[41:02]
continue, which is what I heard Ben and
[41:04]
several of you saying, to be that
[41:07]
community that thinks ahead, thinks
[41:09]
outside the box. We have a very
[41:11]
committed population here. They love
[41:13]
being here. This is a self-contained
[41:16]
community. And we're we we like to see
[41:19]
ourselves as unique. We value our
[41:21]
diversity.
[41:23]
We value our kind of weirdness
[41:27]
and our vibrancy.
[41:29]
I would when I was first elected to
[41:32]
council many years ago, um I took a trip
[41:36]
down to Asheville, North Carolina
[41:37]
because I thought maybe that would be
[41:39]
sort of a kind of a community that could
[41:41]
inspire us. And you know, it's a music
[41:44]
town and an art town and I think that
[41:48]
was part of it. And it's a walkable city
[41:51]
and you know it's not necessarily
[41:54]
college town but it has a lot of nature.
[41:56]
People are really into the environment
[41:58]
around it, the trails and everything. Um
[42:01]
I loved it there. I don't know what it's
[42:02]
like now after the big floods and stuff,
[42:05]
but that seemed to be kind of had our
[42:09]
vibe. Boulder, Colorado was one of our
[42:11]
sister the communities we looked at as
[42:14]
being kind of Kentian or you know some
[42:17]
something to something to take off
[42:19]
after. I lived in Santa Cruz, California
[42:22]
before moving here and I said what's the
[42:24]
matter with this town? It could be
[42:26]
another Santa Cruz. So
[42:29]
um we do struggle with you know uh
[42:33]
resources
[42:34]
but we like to think uh creatively and
[42:39]
you know really be that community that
[42:42]
people want to come to and people want
[42:44]
to live here and the housing issue is a
[42:47]
big one for me because we do hear people
[42:50]
want to live here once they're here they
[42:52]
never want to go anywhere else. Um, so
[42:54]
that's another thing is we need housing
[42:56]
for people that want to trade different
[42:58]
kinds of housing and go somewhere else.
[43:01]
Um, and that's that's kind of what I
[43:03]
just want to say as a summary because I
[43:05]
think a lot of you hit on many of those
[43:08]
points. Um, we want to continue to build
[43:11]
the soft tissue, but we want to continue
[43:13]
to do to become economically viable and
[43:16]
get more jobs. That is that's important.
[43:19]
Good good jobs. We even found minimum
[43:22]
wage jobs are hey help pay
[43:25]
>> you know so anything that can bring that
[43:27]
kind of vibrancy you know we don't want
[43:30]
a data center you know we want good jobs
[43:34]
good quality jobs we want to attract
[43:36]
young professionals and newly retireds
[43:40]
and um
[43:42]
families families has been a really big
[43:44]
focus in in recently and we've
[43:47]
discovered that maybe we can we a
[43:50]
deficit at the family, you know,
[43:53]
creating experiences for families.
[43:56]
>> So, did I summarize?
[43:58]
>> I think so. Did you work on the
[43:59]
amphitheater um project for Stowe? I see
[44:03]
Stow here for market potentials and
[44:05]
fiscal impacts for their new
[44:06]
>> No, it was part of I was part of their
[44:08]
comprehensive plan
[44:10]
>> and Stow um so I I didn't work on a
[44:13]
specific it was more of a citywide
[44:16]
>> question there.
[44:17]
>> Creating a new because I know that they
[44:18]
were looking at downtown as a walkable
[44:22]
for there. So yes, you
[44:24]
>> you were involved in that
[44:26]
>> in the very early stages of that. Um
[44:29]
again, it was part of their
[44:30]
comprehensive plan probably 25
[44:34]
years ago, maybe 20 years ago.
[44:37]
>> Most recent work I've done around here
[44:39]
was in Independence on their economic
[44:41]
development.
[44:45]
» Heidi, one last comment.
[44:46]
>> Sure.
[44:47]
>> Sorry. Um, in our packet today is the
[44:50]
annual report from Main Street Kent. I'm
[44:52]
sure you're going to meet with them, but
[44:53]
it's an absolute driver for a lot of the
[44:57]
activity and like such a great
[45:00]
investment from the city and this
[45:02]
>> uh twoerson
[45:04]
strong and hundreds of volunteers
[45:07]
>> at their backs helping to make amazing
[45:12]
economic activity happening that comes
[45:15]
to this place. And so like
[45:18]
thinking about that and the impact that has had on our community and kind
[45:23]
of like illustrate their report that I'm
[45:25]
sure you'll get. So
[45:27]
>> okay, thank you.
[45:32]
» Are we invited to your focus groups?
[45:35]
>> We report back after the
[45:37]
>> We still have to talk about who's
[45:38]
invited to those, but we'll discuss
[45:40]
that. Usually the elected officials are
[45:42]
not part of the focus groups unless
[45:44]
you're
[45:46]
business, pardon it.
[45:47]
>> If you have a business, and you're part
[45:50]
of that sector probably
[45:54]
» so I want to thank you for for being
[45:56]
willing to come and talk to us and keep
[45:59]
bringing it back because it's really a
[46:01]
vital topic to our community and uh you
[46:05]
know it really links into everything.
[46:06]
>> Yes. And um yeah um
[46:11]
we one thing is we have realized that we
[46:14]
are urbanizing. We are a small city
[46:16]
that's landlocked but we're urbanizing
[46:18]
and and density is becoming something
[46:21]
that people are getting to be okay with.
[46:24]
Um so we can think about that kind of
[46:27]
model as well.
[46:29]
know, um, we're we're we're weaning
[46:31]
people off the parking [laughter]
[46:35]
and, you know, helping people understand
[46:37]
that if they park somewhere, they can
[46:39]
walk a few blocks and enjoy the scenery
[46:41]
along the way and maybe get caught up in
[46:43]
something fun.
[46:44]
>> Well, well, often college towns are the
[46:46]
lead the lead communities for
[46:49]
walkability around the country, as you
[46:51]
know, having been to Boulder and places
[46:53]
like that. So,
[46:54]
>> that's a big part of it. Yeah.
[46:57]
>> Yeah. Great. Thank you. Hope to meet
[46:59]
with you.
[47:00]
>> Thank you very much.
[47:02]
>> Nice meeting all of you.
[47:08]
» All right, we have
[47:18]
housing board was established uh a long
[47:21]
time ago and when it was originally
[47:22]
established it was actually a quai
[47:24]
judicial board. Uh since there have been
[47:27]
changes in fair housing law, virtually
[47:29]
every community moved their fair housing
[47:32]
uh regulatory compliance to actual fair
[47:35]
housing agencies that have attorneys and
[47:37]
specialize in that. But one of the items
[47:40]
that uh we've we've done actually
[47:42]
amendments to this adding as you know
[47:44]
protected classes locally um and also
[47:48]
other things that HUD has required us to
[47:49]
do. But one thing that has remained in
[47:51]
here is of the seven members, five is
[47:53]
required for a forum and that has become
[47:55]
a challenge for us. We've had to cancel
[47:58]
meetings um because we were only could
[48:01]
we basically uh could only get four and
[48:04]
another the last meeting they wanted to
[48:06]
vote on a um basically a a resolution or
[48:10]
a letter that they wanted to send to the
[48:12]
state but they only had four. So I am
[48:14]
here to request that it be changed to
[48:17]
match match Robert's rules basically a
[48:20]
majority. So the quorum would be four
[48:22]
versus five.
[48:23]
>> Any questions? Ben?
[48:24]
>> No question but comment. Having been on
[48:27]
the board I support this.
[48:30]
>> Anybody else?
[48:32]
Any any comments from the audience? Don.
[48:38]
» All right. Back to council. Any any uh
[48:41]
any motion? I
[48:46]
>> make a motion to approve uh this change
[48:49]
to a majority uh with uh emergency.
[48:52]
>> I'll second.
[48:55]
>> Any comments from council? Great. All
[48:58]
those in favor?
[49:00]
>> All those against? Same sign.
[49:03]
>> Thank you.
[49:03]
>> All right. Passes.
[49:05]
>> And uh the committee is now closed.
[49:10]
>> Uh yes. So, uh, we have Rhonda coming up
[49:14]
to, um, talk about those, uh, certifying
[49:17]
and the movement of these unpaid bills
[49:20]
owed to the city of Kent to the county
[49:23]
for collection.
[49:24]
>> Correct.
[49:24]
>> And Rhonda, yes. Before you start,
[49:26]
because I'm kind of confused, Melissa
[49:28]
asked me a question before the meeting
[49:30]
started. Will these be three different
[49:33]
ordinances as opposed to just one with
[49:36]
everything on it?
[49:37]
>> I think in the past they have been three
[49:38]
separate ordinances. Okay, that's what I
[49:40]
thought, but I wanted to ask you if So,
[49:42]
we'll do each one of these separately
[49:44]
and then I will check.
[49:47]
I think it was three.
[49:51]
Okay. So, the first one you have um at
[49:54]
least I don't know in your packet which
[49:56]
one you have first, but I'm going to do
[49:58]
the uh concrete sidewalk bills. So,
[50:01]
according in accordance with our
[50:03]
codified ordinances 521.06 06 section.
[50:06]
It allows us to certify any unpaid
[50:10]
sidewalk program um delinquencies. And
[50:14]
so this is the first one of 33,000.
[50:17]
>> Do you want to reference I know this is
[50:20]
the end of the pipeline, but you've done
[50:22]
a lot of notification to the people.
[50:24]
You've tried to get them to pay. This is
[50:28]
there. It's not like we're just throwing
[50:30]
these names on a list. There's been a
[50:32]
lot of pre-effort to get them to pay.
[50:34]
Yes.
[50:35]
>> So,
[50:37]
each department takes care of their own
[50:39]
delinquencies, but um we send second
[50:42]
notices. We've even sent third notices,
[50:44]
especially for I know utility billing.
[50:46]
We send the notices with a letter saying
[50:49]
if you don't pay by X date, your uh
[50:51]
delinquence is going to be put on your
[50:53]
property tax bill uh come September. And
[50:56]
I think it's September 9th that we have
[50:58]
to certify it to the county by. So yeah,
[51:02]
we do a lot of due diligence and trying
[51:04]
to get people to know that this is due
[51:06]
to the city and try to get them to pay
[51:08]
in advance of having to put it on the
[51:10]
property taxes because the county then
[51:13]
puts their fee on top of that. So,
[51:16]
>> so, uh, questions from council and
[51:19]
>> yeah, an actual question this time, not
[51:22]
um, if a resident for the concrete
[51:27]
program that hasn't paid, is there a
[51:31]
financial hardship application process?
[51:33]
>> They've already done that. And so, if a
[51:35]
person is meet certain criteria, they
[51:37]
either get it for half price or free.
[51:39]
>> Okay.
[51:40]
>> So, they've already done that before
[51:42]
this whole
[51:43]
>> Okay. Okay. When they actually apply for
[51:44]
it, you know, when they're when they're
[51:46]
going through and doing the sidewalk
[51:47]
program, they already are talking with
[51:49]
each resident about that.
[51:50]
>> Yeah. Thank you.
[51:52]
>> Any other questions from council?
[51:54]
>> Sarah.
[51:54]
>> Sorry, I'm new. So, I just need to ask
[51:57]
this question. So mostly because I lost
[51:59]
my paper, but I'm just going to
[52:01]
>> So when someone needs this program and
[52:06]
they do they pay anything
[52:09]
upfront or it's only after the fact that
[52:11]
>> we that's usually up to the engineering
[52:15]
department, but we usually work with the
[52:17]
individuals to say if you need a payment
[52:19]
plan, we'll work with you that way. We
[52:21]
don't just say this is what you owe and
[52:24]
it's due upon receipt of the bill.
[52:29]
>> Oh, hi. Uh
[52:30]
>> oh.
[52:33]
>> Sure. So, you were asking about the uh
[52:37]
sidewalk program.
[52:38]
>> Yeah.
[52:39]
>> Okay. So,
[52:41]
the short version is in the codified
[52:43]
ordinances. It's the public the property
[52:46]
owner's responsibility to maintain the
[52:47]
sidewalk. 94 council uh approved a
[52:52]
series of rebates uh discounts for
[52:56]
hardships for things out of their
[52:58]
control like tree related issues. And so
[53:01]
when we go to a street as part of the
[53:03]
street program, we walk, we assess the
[53:05]
street, uh the sidewalks, we uh
[53:09]
determine which ones need to be repaired
[53:11]
for the safety of the public. Send a
[53:13]
notice to the property owner saying,
[53:15]
"Hey, in a year we're going to do the
[53:16]
PL, this program, here's the things that
[53:20]
you are responsible for, and you can
[53:22]
either do it yourself or we'll do it for
[53:24]
you, and here's an estimate of what it
[53:26]
would cost you. And if you are available
[53:29]
for these programs, please provide us
[53:31]
the information. Uh in general, anything
[53:34]
street tree related is free because it's
[53:37]
not their cause. Uh if they are if it's
[53:40]
owner occupied residential, they'll get
[53:43]
50% off anything. And if they're low
[53:46]
income owner occupied residential, it's
[53:48]
free.
[53:49]
>> Oh, okay. So,
[53:51]
>> did that help?
[53:53]
>> Okay.
[53:53]
>> Thank you.
[53:56]
Any other questions from council?
[53:59]
>> So, can we do a vote on this one? Sure.
[54:02]
One at a time. So, uh, anybody have a
[54:05]
motion for this?
[54:06]
>> Yeah. Emergency.
[54:07]
>> I'll move this section, the annual
[54:09]
concrete repair to for approval.
[54:12]
>> Any second?
[54:14]
>> With e.
[54:14]
>> All those in favor?
[54:16]
>> Oh, I'm sorry. With emergency.
[54:17]
>> With emergency.
[54:18]
Then you second that.
[54:22]
>> Any other comments or questions?
[54:25]
All those in favor
[54:26]
>> I
[54:27]
>> oppose
[54:29]
passes.
[54:30]
>> Okay. Sorry, shouldn't have said that.
[54:32]
Not my job to say pass.
[54:35]
>> So the next section,
[54:36]
>> the next one is the uh delinquent
[54:38]
nonutility. So this includes um per the
[54:43]
memo any violation that is uh
[54:47]
created by the law code enforcers and
[54:50]
also the health department. So you have
[54:52]
a list for each of the community
[54:54]
development and uh the health department
[54:57]
for their citations slashviolations that
[55:01]
are going to get sent to the county as
[55:04]
well.
[55:10]
» Any questions? No. Um back to council
[55:13]
for a motion.
[55:15]
>> I'll move to authorize with the
[55:17]
emergency.
[55:18]
>> Second.
[55:20]
All those in favor.
[55:22]
>> Anybody opposed?
[55:26]
>> All right. And the last one is the
[55:27]
utility billing um debtors. This is in
[55:31]
accordance with uh an ordinance that was
[55:33]
passed in 2012.
[55:37]
Ordinance number 2012- 110. It is for
[55:41]
section 9137,
[55:43]
915.72,
[55:45]
921.24, 24 and 935.14
[55:49]
of the codified ordinances which gives
[55:51]
us the authority to um send to the
[55:54]
county any delinquents for water sewer,
[55:57]
solid waste and storm water. And keep in
[56:01]
mind for all three of these, if anybody
[56:04]
pays between now and August 31st, they
[56:07]
will come off the list. So you will get
[56:09]
a list with the ordinance at the next
[56:11]
council meeting that'll have the most
[56:12]
recent updated list. But if anybody pays
[56:16]
even after that date, the list is going
[56:18]
to change. We will take their name off
[56:19]
of that list before it gets certified.
[56:23]
>> And
[56:26]
will they be notified that it or have
[56:30]
they already been notified that it may
[56:32]
be referred for a lean
[56:34]
>> in for what?
[56:35]
>> For the county.
[56:37]
>> Well, we have sent them a letter that
[56:40]
states that if they don't pay by August
[56:41]
31st,
[56:42]
>> Yeah. Any balance that's due will be
[56:44]
sent to the county.
[56:46]
>> Okay.
[56:48]
>> Any other gloves, Jeff?
[56:50]
>> So, I know that this one, the villages
[56:52]
of Frank Crossing has been whatever it's
[56:54]
been for a while, but it's an
[56:55]
extraordinary amount of money. It's like
[56:57]
it's $254,000.
[56:59]
>> Um, and there's some 22,000, some
[57:02]
11,000. So, this is like an outrageous
[57:04]
amount of money that could buy some nice
[57:06]
things. There are ordinances we could
[57:08]
pass that would be incredibly more harsh
[57:12]
for rental properties that aren't
[57:14]
keeping up. Like if you're 90 days
[57:16]
behind, your water is shut off in your
[57:18]
building. Now your building's condemned.
[57:19]
So figure it out and pay us.
[57:20]
>> If they're two months delinquent, we're already putting them on a shut off
[57:24]
list.
[57:24]
>> Right. But I know like when we talked
[57:25]
about the Franklin Crossing, we didn't
[57:27]
want to kick people out before the
[57:28]
school year ended. And that guy, let's
[57:30]
you know, for lack of a better term, is
[57:32]
not a very nice guy.
[57:33]
>> Well, I do have some good news. is we uh
[57:36]
I checked before the meeting today
[57:37]
because I knew she was going to ask.
[57:39]
Sarah's going to ask. Um they have paid
[57:42]
their bill on the 002 property uh parcel
[57:46]
number. So they have paid the lion's
[57:49]
share of last year's delinquencies that
[57:52]
we submitted to the county. Okay. The
[57:54]
001 they still haven't made a payment
[57:57]
since I it was either 2024
[58:01]
of 48,000 or the beginning of 25 for
[58:03]
48,000. So, they still owe the county
[58:05]
quite a bit of money,
[58:06]
>> right?
[58:06]
>> And the county is going to come before
[58:08]
us.
[58:09]
>> Could we, and I don't know this is
[58:12]
Hope's job, but could we force if if
[58:15]
somebody's in this situation or or has a
[58:17]
rental like that, you're going to have
[58:18]
to put up a deposit equivalent to 60
[58:21]
days worth of average water use, you
[58:23]
know, to the prior tenants. So, that at
[58:25]
the very least when we shut your water
[58:26]
up, we still get our money.
[58:29]
>> I mean, are these just options to
[58:30]
explore? Like, I don't know. I think
[58:31]
that is I when I work at Hawk Falls uh
[58:35]
something in my head is niggling me to
[58:38]
say we did that to an extent. I can look
[58:40]
at that.
[58:41]
>> Yeah. I just we don't want to get in the
[58:42]
situation again. So
[58:43]
>> and I think Kent actually had that at
[58:46]
one time where they were requiring
[58:48]
deposits. I'm not sure what happened to
[58:50]
the program.
[58:56]
Heidi,
[58:58]
>> correct me if I'm wrong, but number of
[59:01]
years ago, we we changed who was liable
[59:06]
for the bill to the property owner, the
[59:09]
land landlord basically versus the
[59:12]
tenant um for um those types of
[59:16]
situations. So, um, the landlord could
[59:20]
very easily put ask for a deposit from
[59:24]
their tenants coming in. You know,
[59:27]
[clears throat] it's it seems like maybe
[59:32]
this just seems to be
[59:35]
I don't know. So, it looks like a very
[59:36]
high percentage of rental properties are
[59:39]
here and they probably are feeling
[59:41]
burned from their tenants and they need
[59:43]
to figure out how to tighten that chip a
[59:46]
little bit more.
[59:46]
>> And I know that this the currently the
[59:49]
state is allowing us to charge the
[59:52]
property owner, but they're looking at
[59:54]
changing that, not allowing us to charge
[59:56]
the property owner and making us go
[59:58]
after the tenant.
[59:59]
>> Of course,
[1:00:00]
>> that of course hasn't passed yet. And so
[1:00:02]
we'll determine what we have to do if
[1:00:05]
that ever happens. Hopefully it doesn't.
[1:00:08]
>> Well, then we would have to definitely
[1:00:09]
institute some kind of
[1:00:11]
>> because once a tenant moves out,
[1:00:13]
>> it's it's almost near impossible to find
[1:00:16]
them
[1:00:17]
>> unless of course attorney general's
[1:00:19]
office is then going to help us with
[1:00:21]
that.
[1:00:22]
>> Yeah,
[1:00:23]
>> they do with Medicare. I mean, we had
[1:00:25]
that similar situation with income taxes
[1:00:27]
and was one of the motivations for going
[1:00:29]
with Rita because it gave us access to
[1:00:32]
their resources,
[1:00:34]
go after people through the federal tax.
[1:00:37]
We as a city, we don't have access to
[1:00:39]
the federal tax, if I have that correct,
[1:00:41]
but Rita does. So, Rita could track
[1:00:43]
those, I guess, social security numbers,
[1:00:45]
whatever, for those people that leave
[1:00:47]
here and and don't pay their tax. We
[1:00:49]
were out of luck. Rita has helped us
[1:00:51]
pretty significantly on that. I would
[1:00:52]
guess we need a version of that for uh
[1:00:55]
water and sewer. But
[1:00:57]
>> so any other questions related to moving
[1:00:59]
this to the county, this particular
[1:01:01]
line? Anybody?
[1:01:03]
>> Uh back to you for a motion.
[1:01:06]
>> I'll move to approve it and report it to
[1:01:08]
the county with emergency.
[1:01:09]
>> With emergency second.
[1:01:12]
>> There is a emergency.
[1:01:14]
>> Okay. Yeah.
[1:01:15]
>> Any other comments?
[1:01:16]
>> Um I actually just have one more. So,
[1:01:18]
anything that has 002, you're saying
[1:01:22]
that they've paid
[1:01:24]
or let's this is when we get this next
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list that's going to come off of this
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paper.
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>> Well, that's not even on this. So, and
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next year you're saying yes, if they
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continue paying the this will be paid
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next year by next year.
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>> Okay.
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>> Because what they paid through their
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property taxes now, they actually paid
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it in June. That's for last year's
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Any other comments?
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Uh, all those in favor?
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>> I Anyone opposed?
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>> Thank you.
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» All right. And no renew the school
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resource officer agreement. Uh, Chief
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Stone.
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» As Chief Stone makes his way forward, I
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think you'll recognize this is his first
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presentation, so a lot of pressure. Uh
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we we met all afternoon prepared. No, we
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did meet all afternoon. It wasn't on
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this topic. Um but uh I reassured him
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that, you know, I think this is a fairly
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popular program. So I don't think you
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can mess it up. I think you just go and
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you know, let him know you're going to
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continue it. You'll get a a mini
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applause and thank you very much. So
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Chief, anything you want to
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>> Thank you.
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this uh morning to city council. I ask
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that we continue our good relationship
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with the Kent city schools. I starting
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the academic year in the city schools
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with uh patrol officer Dominic Poe of
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the Kent Police Department serving as a
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school resource officer. Uh the Kent
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City School District reimbures the city
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for the costs of his salary benefits
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during the months that he's there. and I
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ask for your favorable approval of this,
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please.
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>> All right. Any questions from councel?
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>> There's nobody in the audience. Do we
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have a motion?
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>> I'll make the motion with with
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emergency.
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>> Yeah.
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>> All those in favor?
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>> I opposed.
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Easy peasy.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Thank you very much. Thank you.
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streets and sidewalks. Mr. Typton,
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» it's coming up. I can see North Manowway
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Street improvement project right of way
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donation.
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>> Thank you. Um, so we're here tonight
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requesting council's approval to accept
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the donation of seven easements from
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three parcels from the Davy Tree Expert
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Company in relation to the North Man
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Street project. Two of the easements are
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what we call permanent highway
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easements. So they can use that we can
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use that land for roads, utilities, or
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other things. two two other easements
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are permanent um shared use path
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easements where they're basically for
[1:04:22]
walkways to get them move them away from
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the roadway and then three others are
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temporary easements for us to build the
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project uh as it was designed and put
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forth by the publics. So um in order to
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complete the project we're going to need
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right away from two owners. One's Davy
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Tree and the other is Kent City School
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District and happy to say both have at
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least verbally agreed to donate and of
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course Davy Tree is signed there. So
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we're here looking for your approval
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with the emergency
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question. Go ahead.
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>> It's not a question. It's a comment. I
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just want to thank the both Davy Tree
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and the Kent City Schools for being such
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great partners and helping us move this
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project forward. It's in all of our
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interests, but I appreciate it. Thanks.
[1:05:08]
>> Thanks. Any more questions
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from council?
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Questions? No one's in the audience. So,
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passing it back um for a motion.
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>> I'll move to approve with emergency.
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>> I'll second with emergency.
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>> Any further comment?
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All those in favor?
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>> I I
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>> I passes.
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Any opposed item here? I heard
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everybody.
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All right, Jim, thank you for being up
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there for the request for city water
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service at 58 5085 State Route 43.
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>> So, we received uh a request to provide
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water to a location that's outside the
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city. Since it's outside the city, it
[1:05:51]
requires council's approval. So, we're
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here tonight requesting your approval to
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provide water uh to 5085 State Route 43.
[1:05:59]
Uh we do not see any problem with
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providing them water in that location.
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Heidi,
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>> are they in our Jed?
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>> They're they're in a Jed. Yes. However,
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>> are they part of our Jed? Have they
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agreed to be part of the Jed?
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>> The Jed is only businesses commercial.
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Is this a commercial establishment?
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Okay. Then it have to commercial.
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» Perhaps
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>> they're not petitioned in, but they
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could choose to join it.
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>> They could. That would be something
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» because I thought the purpose of a jet
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was to be able to bring services to the
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business in exchange for their income
[1:06:47]
tax to be divided and and I realize
[1:06:50]
Eric's not here, but I I I I'm just it
[1:06:55]
doesn't seem to be working. And if we
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just provide services without any other
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than they're going to pay us for the
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service,
[1:07:03]
>> well, they'll be paying for the water,
[1:07:04]
but the J purpose is actually to share
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income taxes with townships. Sure.
[1:07:09]
>> Because they're unincorporated and they
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can't.
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>> So, it expands our footprint with
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regards to the collection of income tax.
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Um, but at the time that the petitions
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are signed and the agreements are
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established, those add to it. So adding
[1:07:24]
it to parcels typically it's a question
[1:07:27]
presented to them of you know are you
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willing and many don't because they're
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they have to be paying income tax and
[1:07:32]
they're like what do we get out of it? I
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will tell you I've said this before the
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jets run here are different than the
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jets that I worked on in Summit County.
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The em the M&I monies went towards the
[1:07:45]
expansion of infrastructure. These jet
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agreements in Franklin and Virtual
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Township were not set up that way. So
[1:07:52]
incentivizing adding them after this
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agreement has occurred is a bit of a
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challenge.
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» I sort of I kind of sort of understand
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that. Um, but I just I've heard this so often that they don't want to join
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the Jed,
[1:08:08]
but we see maybe this is something for
[1:08:12]
the economic development plan um
[1:08:15]
strategic plan to look at because I
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don't see that it's a that really a
[1:08:21]
success.
[1:08:22]
>> It is actually it generates Ron can
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speak to how much we get from income tax
[1:08:26]
from the jet that contributes to our
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revenue. So that is a huge it is a
[1:08:32]
factor. It's a few hundred,000 a year.
[1:08:35]
So it is absolutely worth the time,
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>> but not every parcel in the jet boundary
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of the district has signed into be part
[1:08:43]
of the jet. And that's the case
[1:08:44]
everywhere. There the opportunity to add
[1:08:48]
additional parcels typically comes if
[1:08:51]
there is a permanent extension of main
[1:08:53]
utility lines. And you know that is
[1:08:57]
something that Brimfield is working on
[1:08:58]
coming up this way, but it is years in
[1:09:00]
the making. We actually just had a Jed
[1:09:02]
meeting today with Brimfield and um
[1:09:04]
they're going to be talking to the new
[1:09:05]
sheets that went in to see if they'll
[1:09:07]
sign into the Jed uh for because of the
[1:09:10]
increase in fire services they need at
[1:09:12]
the Jed. So it's convincing businesses
[1:09:15]
that these additional services are
[1:09:17]
needed
[1:09:18]
>> where this small dentist office may not
[1:09:21]
see the benefit of that. They're still
[1:09:23]
going to be paying for the water, but
[1:09:25]
there's really not much much else they
[1:09:27]
need from the jet.
[1:09:29]
>> All right. So, they already have this is
[1:09:31]
an existing water mane that they can tap
[1:09:34]
into. So, we'll get the tap in fees,
[1:09:36]
>> correct?
[1:09:37]
>> And then we'll also get the the service.
[1:09:40]
I mean, I want to sell water.
[1:09:41]
>> There is a search charge that they will
[1:09:43]
pay as well.
[1:09:44]
>> They have a search charge. Anyone
[1:09:47]
outside the city that did not sign the
[1:09:49]
original Jed pays a 50% search charge
[1:09:51]
for their water
[1:09:52]
>> for any water they use.
[1:09:56]
>> Yeah.
[1:09:58]
>> I mean I don't want to not not get a new
[1:10:00]
customer. I just wonder if there was
[1:10:04]
like some other incentives we can build
[1:10:07]
into
[1:10:08]
>> Yeah.
[1:10:09]
>> Well, that's what I was going to ask. So
[1:10:11]
again new sorry if so they have they pay
[1:10:15]
50% this business is going to pay a 50%
[1:10:19]
sir charge on the water for forever
[1:10:22]
>> forever.
[1:10:23]
>> So
[1:10:24]
>> we initially cover the $11,668
[1:10:28]
or the paid that
[1:10:30]
>> and they actually paid a search charge
[1:10:31]
on that dollar amount as well. If they
[1:10:34]
were in the city they would have been
[1:10:35]
15% of this.
[1:10:36]
>> Okay.
[1:10:38]
And and also I guess I would add we did
[1:10:40]
not pay for the construction of the
[1:10:41]
water line down there either.
[1:10:43]
>> Yes.
[1:10:44]
>> We're providing the water and we're
[1:10:45]
going to maintain the line.
[1:10:47]
>> So
[1:10:51]
» is there potential for more customers in
[1:10:54]
that same area that we could kind of tap
[1:10:58]
into?
[1:10:59]
>> Yes, there is.
[1:11:01]
>> I know there's a housing development.
[1:11:04]
>> The housing development. We provided
[1:11:06]
water to them.
[1:11:08]
>> That's that's that's actually the that's who built the line
[1:11:12]
>> that now the dentist office can tell you
[1:11:13]
to.
[1:11:16]
» No, I know that. I know that. Now I'm
[1:11:18]
thinking more customers. How can we
[1:11:20]
expand customers? [laughter]
[1:11:23]
» Anyone ask [snorts] so anyone can who
[1:11:27]
wants to tie into our water can present
[1:11:30]
it and ask for it. Anyone outside the
[1:11:33]
city can request council's approval to
[1:11:36]
tie into our wall.
[1:11:39]
You do not have to say yes. [laughter]
[1:11:42]
But if we have a water line there,
[1:11:44]
>> you also have service area agreements
[1:11:47]
with Portage Water. So it's not a
[1:11:50]
freeforall, but there are opportunities
[1:11:53]
where it makes more sense to have us
[1:11:55]
service somebody than Portage. And you
[1:11:57]
actually are studying that, are you not?
[1:11:59]
Yes, we are studying that in this
[1:12:00]
location in this general area so that we
[1:12:03]
can basically effectively efficiently
[1:12:06]
build out this area by either us
[1:12:09]
providing water or Porsche County
[1:12:10]
resources providing water.
[1:12:12]
>> How long will this take for to to do
[1:12:16]
>> for this for this particular? They'll
[1:12:18]
probably have their tap done in the next
[1:12:20]
month or so.
[1:12:21]
>> Oh,
[1:12:24]
interesting.
[1:12:24]
>> Any further questions?
[1:12:28]
Oh, no one in the audience. Um, back to
[1:12:32]
council for comments.
[1:12:34]
>> I'll move to approve with emergency.
[1:12:37]
>> Second.
[1:12:39]
>> All those in favor?
[1:12:41]
>> I.
[1:12:41]
>> Any opposed?
[1:12:44]
>> Thank you. Thank you.