[9:43] I've been in meetings all day.

[9:48] » Hey

[9:52] have thoughts. It's hard.

[10:01] » You're good. I got something in my eye.

[10:06] You know, nothing. Good to see you. I don't know anything.

[10:10] » Well, it's good to be seen. >> Yeah.

[10:12] » Good to be Hey, uh did they uh did somebody buy that house?

[10:19] I I'm moving you back where you used to be.

[10:23] » Yeah, I I was going to move back there. >> Did they uh

[10:27] » I got I'm having the garage tore down. I had a court order to to clean it up.

[10:35] A grizzle, right? >> Yeah.

[10:38] » Yeah. >> See, I got boarded up.

[10:41] » Yep. Who did that?

[10:47] take minutes. >> Oh, okay. I'll just if you wouldn't

[10:50] mind. >> Okay. But does someone have my packet?

[10:53] Because I don't have one in my box. >> There's no packet. Period.

[10:59] » I don't have one in my box. >> Did she put it out for you?

[11:03] » Yeah. >> No.

[11:06] » Just you here. >> Why? Bill's not here.

[11:10] » They got They're not here. Bill's here. Oh, I don't. Okay,

[11:17] we'll get rid of George. Not get rid of one.

[11:20] » All righty. All right. >> I think I guess I'll take that. Thank

[11:25] you. >> Oh, I got it electronically. The only

[11:29] thing that wasn't in there was the minute. So,

[11:33] » did you get that one from the attorney? >> Yep. She sent that in another email.

[11:38] » She did. >> Yes. This one?

[11:40] » Yep. I got We got that one. Is this Do you have a completed one of this?

[11:47] » You can look, but >> we do not. And that's for Z. Correct.

[11:53] » Yeah.

[11:56] The uh what I have is >> she just on the electronic one, it was

[12:03] highlighted in areas that he didn't complete it. So that's why I just asked

[12:06] » they asked if they could finish it here during the meeting. They weren't.

[12:13] » This ain't Mr. Terrell's first um rodeo. >> Mr. Zel is uh did the

[12:19] » I know. But is Mr. Trello and his sister going to be here today?

[12:22] » His wife. >> Oh, okay.

[12:25] » Joy, >> I don't know her. No,

[12:28] » our county commissioner. >> Oh, so this ain't the same. This ain't

[12:31] » Yes, >> this is the same.

[12:33] » I didn't look. >> No.

[12:36] » Is this Mark? >> No, it says Dean.

[12:38] » Oh, Dean. Okay. Is that a brother then? >> It is a brother

[12:41] » because it usually is um What's his sister's name that lives in

[12:46] um Wales in the Stone House? >> Yeah, you do. Neo

[12:51] » Kathy. >> Yeah, that sounds right.

[12:53] » Kathy is one of the sisters. >> Yep.

[12:56] » And then the other one is has that business up at by Lexington.

[13:01] » I don't know. >> Hey, Bill.

[13:04] » Hey. >> So,

[13:20] Good to see you. >> Gary says, "Good to be seen."

[13:26] » Yeah, I guess >> I got a piece of concrete in my eye.

[13:54] Okay,

[13:59] » I'm buying a ConX box. >> What is that?

[14:05] Don't worry. Don't worry. >> I got a 24 foot

[14:10] » neck trailer. >> I know what I'm folding to that sucker.

[14:15] » As far as uh Sparingville Baptist Church, they had a permit for footings

[14:20] only and it expires on 11 of 26. >> Okay.

[14:26] » I I don't know what else to do to that. They have never

[14:30] » You're still not doing it, huh? >> No.

[14:31] » No. >> No. So, I I'll give you a copy of this.

[14:35] It's footings only. We did give them a permit. They paid for the permit and

[14:40] it's good till November. >> Okay.

[14:44] » Chickens

[14:48] that. Next one is

[15:04] should.

[15:12] » All right. So, this is something that we picked up from the MTA meeting.

[15:15] » Okay. >> It's in regards to the state trying to

[15:18] take over the zoning and planning. >> Okay. And there's a

[15:24] » there's a lot more information if you go off with your phone and you take a

[15:29] picture of this. >> Okay.

[15:30] » You can get more there's a copy in here for everybody.

[15:33] » Okay. >> Okay.

[15:34] » Sounds good. >> Trying to make it so their houses can

[15:37] only be have to be 5t apart >> and take away the all your rights along

[15:44] with Okay.

[15:46] » Yeah. Of

[15:59] course.

[16:10] » Oh, okay. So, this one this one.

[16:16] Yes.

[16:26] » Thank you. >> You're welcome.

[16:27] » Do you have any more? >> I need more.

[16:30] » Do you want more paper as

[16:41] » Oh, okay. So, okay.

[16:56] See what's on there. Gillette. That's okay. That's this one.

[17:06] » Where's Peggy? >> Okay.

[17:09] » There's

[17:13] only So, hello. Hey, Becky.

[17:18] » Can I do you have the um >> can I ask for the meeting book to look

[17:24] up these two ponds in preparation for our item for our item today?

[17:30] » Can I see the meeting book so I can take some notes on what we did with these two

[17:34] approvals? So, this was this was

[17:41] » No, this is going to be a while. >> Do you guys still just put them in the

[17:45] book?

[17:49] » Okay. I just know I'd like this like the time. Usually, we do $1,000 times and

[17:54] something else >> just to be consistent.

[17:58] » Hanging in there. >> You don't? Yeah.

[18:02] » Yeah. Did you guys hear about the pope? >> No.

[18:05] » They requested special prayer for him Sunday. Thought he had the bird flu.

[18:10] » They checked him out and by Joe he did have the bird.

[18:15] » They think he got it from a cardinal.

[18:22] » Yeah, this will work. >> Still going to take me get some used to

[18:26] your new uh >> not yet new soul patch.

[18:30] You got one, too. >> You look like you're ready to start a

[18:32] rock band, though. >> No, I was just asking for the meeting

[18:36] minutes to be consistent for it up here. >> That's a solid idea. I like that. Uh,

[18:41] that's being a true conservative show. >> You're not resorting to doctors. You're

[18:45] taking medical into your >> Yep. This is cool.

[18:50] » I heard the >> This is back in January

[18:56] process. I just wanted consistency on the ponds.

[19:00] » But why I guess why Mr. >> recently

[19:06] told him he had 6 months >> 14 days in rehab.

[19:10] » What happened? >> He had until August.

[19:12] » Yeah, that's part of it. Okay. >> You start

[19:24] kind of infection from the

[19:28] medicine they were why you talk >> and it was

[19:31] » we did this back in April. >> Glad you're still with us.

[19:33] » We'll take a review. >> I guess we'll give an up. We'll give it

[19:37] an up. What is he asking for?

[19:42] » And you know I was praying to go

[19:48] » that's how bad it was.

[19:52] » Life insurance for kids. Okay. And a bunch of grandkids.

[20:01] » They probably got any great grandkids. >> They probably celebrate my

[20:06] » Oh, yeah. Cuz they're sick of seeing you in pain.

[20:11] » But didn't they make him get a bond? >> Well,

[20:14] » isn't that what the bond for? >> I lost all my balance.

[20:17] » You didn't have to get one. >> That's fine.

[20:21] » Did he have to get one? My wife brought me

[20:24] » cuz

[20:30] they overseen. >> All right.

[20:33] » I haven't been driving because of my >> Yeah. Is Mr. Francis going to be here?

[20:39] » I've graduated from >> No, Mr. Francis.

[20:43] » Still graduating.

[20:51] » Very cool. below this one right here. >> Okay, so they're just going to sit and

[20:56] talk to us then. >> Yes.

[20:57] » Okay, that's fine. You cannot negotiate during

[21:02] » recondition

[21:06] training session. >> What's that one

[21:11] » of what they're wanting to do there? What is the request?

[21:15] » Okayur, >> but are they going to send something? I

[21:18] read that and I don't want to impose on a definition or I borrow your car and I

[21:25] drive >> his right. Well, his request was to come

[21:29] to us. >> Where's that supposed to be?

[21:31] » Yes. But we also >> some out

[21:38] » that's the way. >> Yeah.

[21:41] » Yeah. And there's some >> But he doesn't I got what I read.

[21:44] » I don't care how >> he doesn't want to do this. He just

[21:47] wants the partial. He wants to come and request a reconditional reszoning as

[21:52] industrial with stipulations. >> Correct. But he has to say that.

[21:59] » So this is more of just a kind of show with chitchatting.

[22:03] » I don't think I have a >> he wants temper. He wants to feel the

[22:08] temperature, right? >> Oh, here it is.

[22:11] » But also here it is. >> You got one.

[22:16] That ain't my fault. I thought the township was back.

[22:22] » The definition I think would be

[22:25] » I'm sure whoever does, >> right? But he doesn't want to do that.

[22:29] That's what not what >> I've been to some of them.

[22:34] » Right. I read this doesn't want to do it.

[22:38] » But if you could find a definition, that's why that green

[22:44] » with the outside of it all the

[22:48] setbacks.

[22:53] » So they just talk about what they want. >> We read our definition

[22:58] » and then the question would be what additional

[23:02] » do you want? What additional >> gotcha I understand that

[23:07] » actually I did. >> So this is more but you can't make any

[23:10] » not much pain. Th this is not you cannot negotiate. That was made very clear.

[23:17] They request and it's an up or down yes or no then you say no go back and then

[23:23] they supposed to read between the lines I guess with meeting minutes being so

[23:27] what did they talk about like vegetation buffers

[23:32] » limitation yeah that kind of right and then they come back with the present or

[23:37] come back but Mr. against the neighbor. Where is Mr.

[23:42] » Mr. Zel? >> There he is.

[23:44] » Get over by. >> Okay, I'm good.

[23:46] » Telegraph. >> So, where's that right there?

[23:49] » With the pictures. >> Hey, bud. How are you?

[23:53] » Good to see you. >> Good to see anybody. Hi.

[23:56] » This is This is different than the drawing in the This must be in addition

[24:01] to >> Let me Let me Let me ask you something.

[24:06] » This is Did you hear about the folk Sunday? that's there.

[24:10] » They they asked for special prayer for him. They thought he had the third flu.

[24:15] » Okay, now I got to get >> after they checked, he did.

[24:18] » I I understood it with the >> I think he got it from the cardinal

[24:22] » when I was looking at >> I knew

[24:24] » not this one. >> Oh,

[24:26] » there was a >> Yes. I didn't hear anything about the

[24:29] pope, but we hear about >> pretty good one. You come up with that

[24:34] yourself? Huh? >> You're not on social media, so I don't

[24:37] think you got it on social media. >> There's a difference.

[24:40] » Is that a old joke you were told? >> No joke.

[24:49] » Hey, this guy's got a shiny head. >> Yep.

[24:52] » Looks good. >> Kind of look like you.

[24:54] » Yeah. >> Yours is nice, Mr.

[24:57] » Yes. >> Yeah. I wish my

[24:59] » this was the better drawing cuz I understood this one.

[25:03] » But this is this is >> you know I've all

[25:07] » the tailor. No, the tailor goes in front with it.

[25:13] » Then it's wrong.

[25:17] » Mhm. >> Cuz cuz it's uh

[25:22] » we never come in. Where's Mr. does not match this? No,

[25:27] » I think >> no.

[25:30] » One lady miss >> this pond.

[25:32] » Miss, >> there's nothing on here that

[25:35] corresponds. >> She's so quiet. I don't I can't think of

[25:40] her name. >> This is Charles Place right here.

[25:43] Charles right there. >> The one far away.

[25:47] » Harris. >> Then this was the old Taylor, right?

[25:52] » If this is the one, this is the newer house.

[25:55] Then this was I don't know who owns it now. This is the other this is

[26:00] » Oh, there we go. >> Henry, what's the first one?

[26:03] » Jennifer Henry. >> She's

[26:06] don't drive. >> Oh, okay. Cool.

[26:09] » Because then this is the parcel that she crossed out.

[26:12] » This is must be the house. Is this supposed to be our house right here?

[26:16] » No. >> And then this is the barn here.

[26:18] » We quit. To >> me, this would be where the bond is

[26:21] going. >> Correct. Shut the door. This ain't his.

[26:24] » I got a buddy. He's growing crazy. >> Why did they throw this?

[26:30] » Yeah, he's lives there now, but this used to be

[26:34] » Paul Cyrus. Good work.

[26:36] » I know Pauly Taylor, but he in the back >> was on board.

[26:43] » That's his house. >> That one I don't know. And then the kids

[26:46] live over here. >> But she was a dealer.

[26:48] » I think he's in his house. >> He looks young. I know that.

[26:51] » That's a brand new house. But it's been here now probably for like

[26:55] five years. >> He's got a good crew. So maybe he can

[26:57] » This used to be This is where you >> There was two boys and they rode the bus

[27:01] with me. >> Yes.

[27:03] » And they're the ones that brought the gun that

[27:08] » he doesn't live there anymore either. And they they used to be Taylor.

[27:12] » No. Then there's this one.

[27:23] beach. >> This one here is on.

[27:28] Where's he going to get the sand on? >> No, this one's This is Z. This is this

[27:33] one. >> That's this one off the table.

[27:38] » Are you talking You're talking about getting

[27:41] » Yeah, Gillette. They've been here before.

[27:43] » That's on t That's on the pier. >> That's on the pier across from where

[27:46] he's renting. But where they do that? >> Well, they've been working there before.

[27:53] They're the ones that >> jump

[27:58] the next

[28:03] Google Earth. Show my wife >> and they named it after you.

[28:07] » I'm going to live on Dunlap until I >> Now, is Dunlap the same road that turns

[28:13] the potato? >> Same road. So both sides were named

[28:17] yesterday. I guess it's just >> Well, Taylor tried to change the name.

[28:24] » Can we start years ago?

[28:27] » Well, >> like the Hatsfield McCoy.

[28:30] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[28:34] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[28:40] justice for all. >> And roll call, please.

[28:44] here. >> Here

[28:55] » I have a approval of the agenda. >> I'll move to approve the agenda for the

[29:02] April 28, 2026 planning commission meeting.

[29:07] » A second. >> Have approval and a second. All those in

[29:10] favor signify by saying I. >> I. Post same sign.

[29:15] Approval of the minutes for February 24th, 2026.

[29:20] » I'll move to approve the minutes with one correction on page one, letter C. If

[29:25] we can change the word board to commission.

[29:35] » I second.

[29:38] I have a a motion to accept. All those in favor of significant

[29:49] one. Got it. >> Okay.

[29:53] » Okay. We're going to have a open public

[29:56] hearing for

[30:00] 2780 Taylor Drive pond and sand removal. We're going to open the meeting at

[30:06] » Do you want a motion, Mr. Motion to open it?

[30:08] » Yeah. I'll move to open a public hearing for 2780 Taylor Drive upon insane

[30:14] removal request at 6:32. A second.

[30:19] » All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I.

[30:22] » Approved. Any this uh disapproval?

[30:28] Say I discussion.

[30:32] » Who is there? Anybody here

[30:36] for the Taylor Road? >> I'm

[30:44] Could you step up to the mic, please? Marty,

[30:57] » before you start, can we clear this up? Didn't Didn't he have a He was here once

[31:03] before. >> He had a permit for um

[31:07] » different address. >> Burma.

[31:09] » Allen Road. >> Burma.

[31:11] » It's Burma. >> Burma.

[31:13] » Burma >> near Angelwood or Engle Court.

[31:20] » That for me that that probably won't continue.

[31:24] » He was working for us at the time and he left. We just never did any of it.

[31:29] Honestly, I'm sorry to waste your time on that one.

[31:31] » No, that's all right. We revoked it last time we met.

[31:33] » Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. So, what are we looking to do?

[31:37] » Another pit 1.4 acres on Mr. Zville's property and uh in behind there. I don't

[31:44] know if you're familiar with where their property is, but it's kind of in track

[31:46] with where we go into our property. It's real close. We go down to baseball road.

[31:50] So, it's it's right there. It's it's it makes sense for him. It makes sense for

[31:53] us, but probably a 1.4 acre pond.

[31:59] Uh, I think it's 240 by 230 basically the dimensions. It's all pure sand. It'd

[32:05] be great for our community to have sand. There's very limited amounts of

[32:10] resources in our spot. The only other spots for sand are on

[32:15] Cribons Road and of course out of Mid Michigan. So, we appreciate the

[32:19] opportunity to have more material here. If you really a shortlived project, I

[32:23] believe we we'd be and out of there in one season, maybe two at the most. So we

[32:27] have that road bonded um as well as Finch Road bonded. So truck traffic is

[32:32] already allowed there and

[32:36] we maintain it as far as dust and >> you you only expect two acres of sand

[32:43] though >> one 1.4 four, but we can probably go

[32:46] down, you know, 20 ft.

[32:53] » That's pure sand down that road. >> Yeah.

[32:58] » What parcel is is this? >> Yeah. So, that's that's a clarity

[33:03] question because what we have in paper, this one

[33:06] » something doesn't jive. It doesn't match the one I got electronically because

[33:11] this here includes your ne the neighbors, Mr. Zobel,

[33:15] » right? Which is >> Yeah. So, in regards to this needs to be

[33:18] updated, I'm going to use some old names and it

[33:23] shows my age because I know where you are, Mr. Zobel. And then the White House

[33:27] next door used to be Taylor's, but I don't know who owns it anymore. Next

[33:31] door is another Taylor and then the Kates are next door to them.

[33:34] » Yes. So, I know the area, but the other drawing that I got electronically was a

[33:39] little better because it did show the proposed pond.

[33:42] » Okay. >> And this one doesn't because I Huh.

[33:45] » Where is the proposed pond? Is that partial C or

[33:48] » it's Mr. Zobel's and like the house drawing was much better too?

[33:53] » Because this is Flbog. This is Taylor right here. This is Mr. Zobel's house.

[33:58] » So, >> it's up here, right? The 19.59 acres.

[34:02] » Here's Flb here. Okay. Here's my house. Here's my barn.

[34:06] » The the pond would be right back here behind the barn.

[34:09] » Yeah. >> And one piece of hardware or two pieces

[34:12] of >> Well, this is all this is all

[34:15] » Well, you have two different >> were they were bought at two different

[34:18] times. >> And so this is online. Um, it'll be

[34:25] » Do you have the the >> the other drawing? I can pull it up on

[34:28] my phone, which I was leaving. >> This is much better.

[34:34] » Will you be leaving the property to go to flinch ball?

[34:36] » No. Once you go right the expressway. >> Oh,

[34:39] » they wrote it here. >> So, it's right behind Yes, sir. Right

[34:43] directly behind the the barn here. >> Yeah.

[34:46] » So, you'll be going across somebody else's property.

[34:48] » No, he's coming off. >> You're coming off Taylor, right? off of

[34:51] Taylor. Come right >> be coming through my property. I've got

[34:54] a drive that that goes back to the back to the Taylor.

[34:56] » Well, that's what I mean. He's gonna he's going to go off Taylor to Flinch

[34:59] Ball. >> No,

[35:01] » I think he's come in Taylor, get his sand, and go back out to Taylor and go.

[35:06] » He's never going down flinch. >> No, we have no reason to go back to

[35:08] Flinch Ball. >> Okay.

[35:09] » No, Mr. T, you have a pit off of Flinchbug, the dirt portion.

[35:13] » We do, >> but it doesn't connect because

[35:15] » does not connect. >> It doesn't. Everybody's parcels there

[35:18] are very deep, >> very separate, too. Yes.

[35:20] » But you've all How long had you had your pit there?

[35:24] » Probably 30 years. >> Yeah.

[35:26] » Because it connected to the golf course, correct?

[35:28] » No, there was a piece in the middle of that.

[35:30] » Oh, it did. >> Oh, okay.

[35:32] » All right. >> So, thank you, Mr. Zel.

[35:36] » Draw it on there. >> No, but that would probably be a

[35:39] condition. If we're going to use this one

[35:42] » versus what electronically we got, >> it's going to need to be updated.

[35:48] » So, that's fine. Okay.

[35:51] » I just don't know. It didn't come with the paper packet that everybody else

[35:55] got. It was in the electronic packet. The other drawing looked better.

[36:00] » Are we going to have problem? Do you have two different parcel ID numbers

[36:03] then? >> What for?

[36:07] » Have you combined the parcels with the with the county?

[36:11] » Well, yeah, I think did that. >> Well, we can look that up. Okay,

[36:18] we can look it up.

[36:33] Okay.

[36:41] » You plan on hauling out until 10 o'clock at night?

[36:44] » No. No. We our guys are everybody's getting older now. So,

[36:53] » okay. So, how late do you want to how late are

[36:57] you going to be hauling out? >> You know, most time it's put on there at

[37:00] 7 o'clock, but we're we're never at 7 o'clock. We're done at 5. You know,

[37:04] » 7 to 5 then. >> Yeah. We could be out there by 5. It'd

[37:07] nice to have six in emergency for something, but it wouldn't be our guys

[37:10] won't stay that late. Any

[37:23] other questions of of the board? Why were

[37:28] » people within 300 ft did get letters? We had no phone calls and no response.

[37:34] » Is there anybody here in the audience that wants to say anything?

[37:45] It's all one parcel if anybody I looked it up.

[37:58] » It is. >> Yep.

[38:01] » You got a copy that was in the newspaper in the mailing list.

[38:08] » What newspaper? time zero.

[38:11] » Okay.

[38:25] The board

[38:28] » I'm seeing you wrote down 5:00 p.m. on your paper.

[38:32] » That's what he said. >> Yeah. Mo most time though, guys. It

[38:35] probably be six o'clock. I'd like to have it at that time. We won't work that

[38:38] late, but an emergency like not have to say we're restricted to 5.

[38:41] » But he's going to he's wanting you to put that that would be in the permit

[38:46] that you'd be done at 5. That is really enough.

[38:49] » I would say most all the time we're done by four or five o'clock, but our guys

[38:52] leave at 5. So, you know, if something happened that they're out working on a

[38:55] machine or something at the last minute, I say 5.

[38:58] » Hauling out of there, hours of trucking out there.

[39:00] » Yeah. We don't we don't leave work past 5 usually

[39:03] » at all. These guys all want to go home by then.

[39:06] So they're back at the shop.

[39:10] » We got to keep this open for a half an hour.

[39:13] » Uh, no. We really don't.

[39:17] » We really don't. If there's nobody Okay. >> Why don't we just give them till 7 just

[39:21] to give them some lenency in case emergency?

[39:23] » Well, that's what Hey, are you Can you read minds?

[39:27] » Can you read minds down there, Mr. >> I'm just thinking about how it works to

[39:32] work in construction? Yeah. So, just being fair to those that we've

[39:39] approved before, including Mr. Trello, is there any objection in regards to

[39:45] We've previously approved Monday through Friday, 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. We've

[39:49] asked for a $1,000 reclamation bond. And then I see the application says no more

[39:54] than 20 feet, but we've we've also included that in our approvals before.

[39:59] And then you've shared with us a 1.4 4 acre pond which we've we would we've put

[40:04] in um and then as shared we need an updated

[40:09] drawing probably you know probably as a condition is that

[40:14] would that be hardship on the applicant. >> No the only I ask for is if we hardly

[40:19] ever work Saturdays anymore but the emergency came up that we'd have on

[40:22] Saturday. So, in regards to that part,

[40:34] » so you're saying you want to be able to call out on Saturday

[40:38] » just in case. Yes. >> Just in case. Did you hear him say that?

[40:40] » Yeah. >> Today, though, we wouldn't need any more

[40:44] than that. It doesn't happen often at all.

[40:54] Pleasure of the board. >> Well, you got to close the public

[40:56] hearing for >> I have a question, Mr. Chair.

[40:59] » I'm just thinking out loud. Um, with all that traffic going on and off that

[41:04] pavement, will that cause any damage to the edge of the pavement that the county

[41:09] should be made aware that we'll need them to come fix or

[41:11] » We have had no damage on Taylor Road at all. All the trucks have come in out of

[41:16] there. So, yeah. No, it's a heavier road.

[41:19] » You guys have that bonded anyways though, don't you?

[41:22] » We do. >> Yeah. I was going to Are you

[41:24] » We could It's easier to ask you, can you share with us what that is now with the

[41:28] road commission? >> I know we're bonded on flinch. I believe

[41:33] we're still bonded on Taylor. Might be able to answer that question.

[41:38] » On Taylor. >> Yeah, because Taylor's going to be

[41:42] considered a class A. We've been able to run that all season

[41:44] » because Taylor would be a class A all Yeah. All season,

[41:47] » which Flimblog is just the dirt road. >> Got it.

[41:52] » Okay.

[41:55] » But at the end of the day, it's not our decision. It's the road commission's

[41:58] decision. So, it could be another condition, but it's they're going to

[42:03] have to get it whether you like it or not.

[42:04] » Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know what the

[42:12] » Got it.

[42:17] » Pleasure of the board. >> Is that for 278 Taylor?

[42:24] » 278. That's the address. >> Yep. That's Yeah. I guess the other

[42:30] question is I know you shared, but when you say seasons, give us a time period,

[42:34] Mr. that you're asking cuz you've asked you said one season or two seasons. So

[42:39] what does that mean? >> I believe that with that amount we could

[42:42] possibly take the second season part of that to finish it. Yes.

[42:45] » So is that 12? >> It' be two years.

[42:56] » Is it a hardship if we do um 12 months with an extension? Because we've done

[42:59] that before with you, Mr. Till. >> We can do that. That's right.

[43:07] Mr. Miller, any questions? >> Any questions?

[43:14] » No, >> Mr. Oer.

[43:18] » Sounds like a green light to me. >> Mr. Howard,

[43:21] » it's okay, Mr. D. >> I want to see it go.

[43:28] » We're in a public hearing. >> Okay.

[43:32] I make a motion that we close the public hearing for 2780 Taylor Road at 6 46.

[43:44] » Second. >> All those in favor signify by saying I.

[43:48] » I. >> All oppose.

[43:50] » Same sign. Closed. >> Okay.

[43:52] » Now we need a motion. >> Wait, they did this different now on our

[43:57] agenda. He's down here.

[44:01] So, we're now down to old business.

[44:08] » Yeah, but he's up here, too. >> I know, but that's down here.

[44:17] » So, >> now,

[44:19] right, >> can we revise the agenda after we

[44:23] approve the agenda? >> Yeah, but I just noticed that's

[44:27] something new. >> Yeah.

[44:30] Do you need a revision of the agenda so we can pass this now?

[44:34] » We have to make a motion now. >> Yes.

[44:37] » Yes. >> I'd like to

[44:40] make a motion that we um

[44:45] move number six up to the spot of number four.

[44:59] Okay, I have a motion. Do I have a second?

[45:05] » I'll second. >> Have a motion to move uh

[45:09] » I new business up to number four. >> All those in favor signify by saying I.

[45:14] » I post same sign carries. Now make your motion.

[45:21] » I think he's writing up a motion. >> I knew Mr. I didn't know I was going to

[45:24] do that. >> I had a feeling. I I'll move to approve

[45:29] the application associated with a soil removal permit at 2780 Taylor Road with

[45:35] the following conditions. An updated drawing

[45:41] indicating the placement of the pond. The pond being 1.4 acres at a 20ft

[45:48] depth. Operation hours being Monday through Friday, 7 am to 7 pm with

[45:53] Saturday hours on a case-byase basis by township administration, a $1,000

[45:59] reclamation bond, and a 12 month approval period with the um option of

[46:08] extension before the planning commission.

[46:11] » Do I have a second? >> I'll second.

[46:16] » Do we need that red back? Did I miss anything, Mr. Melvin?

[46:20] » I think you did good. >> Thank you, Mr.

[46:22] » I have a motion and a second. All those in favor of the motion signify by saying

[46:26] I. >> I.

[46:27] » Oppose. Same sign. >> Carries.

[46:31] » Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you.

[46:35] » Did you call me Mr. Miller? >> No, I said Milton.

[46:39] » You okay? >> No. Milt.

[46:42] » Did I say >> How did I say that?

[46:46] » I don't know. Sorry,

[46:49] » you got me working extra now. >> He'sn't He was He'll tell you later. He

[46:55] was >> We're going to go to number four. Old

[46:59] business.

[47:03] » Yep. >> Development of district definition.

[47:07] Final review. >> You're up, sir.

[47:11] » Well, with the committee that we had um there was recommendations from the

[47:18] committee and also our attorney and I hope everybody looked at the attorney's

[47:23] recommendation >> and we could get that definition

[47:28] so we can get our master plan off and printed. It's been November of 2024

[47:34] since when we started this. I'd like to get

[47:40] some printed copies of our master plan, new master plan. So, if you take time to

[47:48] look at that, I appreciate your comments and come up with a final decision,

[47:55] please. >> Why Why is there a change of the the

[48:01] definition or not definition, but the like the district name from the PUD to

[48:07] » We're not P no PUD. >> But why?

[48:09] » Uh the attorney says you don't need a flood development at this time.

[48:16] can be a later >> small or what? Pardon me?

[48:19] » Because we're just too small or why >> it could take another year to go through

[48:26] the all the counties, all the townships. >> Oh, so the other townships are not

[48:31] having puds either. >> Um, St. Clair.

[48:38] » So move our master plan, we start the PUB.

[48:44] Mhm. I see it. >> I read it.

[48:55] » You talked about green belts. We talked about uh

[49:00] in the definition, talked about setbacks,

[49:06] talked about traffic studies, talked about utility studies, and that was all

[49:11] in with the attorney's recommendation.

[49:18] It was November of 2024 we started meeting.

[49:24] » So last week I asked him to come up with um

[49:29] his opinion and he did and you have that that's two pages.

[49:33] » Yes.

[49:38] And also there was uh um in our page 135 our old ordinance in industrial they

[49:46] gave uh setbacks. The committee added five feet to the

[49:53] side yard set back and also in the residential district to have a green

[50:00] belt between R1 and R2 which is on

[50:10] club to the south tracks to the north. >> Yeah.

[50:14] » Highway to the east. So, it's trapped right in the middle there with a little

[50:19] residential district there.

[50:28] » So, any comments on the attorney's opinion?

[50:32] » No, I don't. The only comment this is still a zoning amendment.

[50:38] » Yeah.

[50:50] What's your

[50:55] developmental focus? He wanted special land use taken out and special exception

[51:01] use put in. Mhm.

[51:04] » He wanted to strike the putt development and

[51:11] light industrial added to the special exception

[51:16] for that district.

[51:22] He was okay with the permitted uses. He was okay with except for the

[51:28] the plug that's also attached in your

[51:34] agenda. It should have a little

[51:41] » what the chart. Are you referencing the chart?

[51:50] » That was part of it. >> Yeah,

[51:52] » that was the other part of it where we >> wanted to strike that and strike the

[51:57] pudge development. >> You got that one.

[52:01] And >> this is just for the

[52:07] So I guess the question that I have is for the group being do you want to talk

[52:12] about this? Do you want to just move to schedule a public hearing which is

[52:15] required for a zoning amendment and do it at that time? What does the group

[52:19] want to do? Because you have to have the public hearing. It's got to be

[52:22] advertised. >> Correct. The the group is here tonight

[52:27] regarding their property which this falls in that district. Mhm.

[52:32] » So that's why they here with open ears to listen to.

[52:36] » Would you like to explain your concept? >> You guys allow me to

[52:42] » go for it. We'd like to hear it. >> Go ahead.

[52:56] » Have you guys share one if possible?

[53:04] Sorry. >> Thank you.

[53:07] » Yeah. >> So, you guys should be pretty familiar

[53:09] with this property. I know uh >> you state

[53:12] » Yeah. Greg Dan with Interstate Capital. Um this property was locked down for a

[53:19] couple decades through lawsuits and >> leans and failed project. Right. So, for

[53:27] the last five years, our uh firm has been chasing this and right outside the

[53:31] lean, which I think, you know, eliminated from this property in May of

[53:34] 24. Um, we were able to put this under contract last year in July. We closed in

[53:39] August on this property. Um, our intention has always been the same. um

[53:46] bring a commerce park to the I 94 I69 corridor. You know, something that could

[53:52] interact with the bridge traffic, continue to attract business and jobs

[53:57] for the region. Um most importantly noted, not a data center under any

[54:03] circumstances. Um so these are industrial buildings. They're modern. Um

[54:08] they're 32 foot clear each and every one of them, maybe a little bit greater. Um,

[54:14] this is the design that, you know, you guys are uniquely uh positioned for in

[54:19] Kimble Township, having rail that serves this with Canadian National and access

[54:24] to a double uh stack tunnel going into win going into Sarnia

[54:28] » and the Blue Water Bridge, which your rates beat the crap out of the

[54:31] Ambassador Bridge south of us and even now the Gordy How coming online.

[54:35] » So, there's been an increase in truck traffic over the past two years the

[54:38] Gordi's been being built. It's been rerouted to Blue Water. I was just in

[54:42] Canada over the weekend and there was a backup for probably seven miles of

[54:46] semi-truckss trying to look to get into the US. All your your bridge. So to

[54:51] actually, you know, utilize it, that type of commerce, it hasn't been able to

[54:57] be taken advantage of by anybody in Slair County ever. No one's come in and

[55:02] said, "Hey, we're going to build a 380,000

[55:06] foot building to attract customers and then in reference attract jobs." And

[55:12] those jobs then attract hotels and sea stores and grocery stores and

[55:17] residential builders, you know, all the things that come with the community's

[55:20] growth. So, we've been really focused on that tenant pool. Um, reaching out to

[55:27] Canadian companies that are looking to reshore or onshore here in the US. We've

[55:31] got at least a dozen conversations opened. I know I talked to certain

[55:35] members here, you know, about certain opportunities that are local that are in

[55:40] other municipalities locally um that are they're busting at the seams. They need

[55:44] to grow and they need to be somewhere else. Um so to really find a spot for

[55:48] those to land that makes sense. you know, this is the opportunity of a

[55:53] lifetime for for some of those those areas. It's something this property

[55:56] could have, you know, seriously been used for decades ago and was absent of

[56:00] being able to use. So, with this, we're bringing, you know, we've talked to now

[56:05] the mini storage, the hotel, etc., and the road commission on what that road

[56:12] would look like to get redone and turned into a public rideway that's 80 foot. um

[56:17] utility extensions that are already there but likely would need to be

[56:20] upgraded. Um talked to the MEDC, Michigan Economic Development

[56:24] Corporation, as well as different state reps on how we could find some public

[56:29] funding that could be supplied to Kimble Township slash the development to be

[56:34] able to install those. If not, they're on our dime. Um but really um just to

[56:41] attract the right kind of business, you know, stuff you guys want to see other

[56:46] municipalities locally can't no can no longer serve and opportunities that will

[56:50] end up elsewhere if if we're not bringing them to the table with you guys

[56:54] as partners. Um so we paid careful attention here with setbacks with

[57:00] continuing to maintain natural features. You've got we've got two massive ponds

[57:04] on the freeway entrance there. There's people fishing on them. There's dirt

[57:08] bikes rolling through here outside of the nuisance that's been to you from a

[57:12] fire department standpoint and just emergency services. Um, I think there's

[57:16] a great opportunity there and we've earmarked and left this open to be able

[57:21] to, you know, bring some sort of park service that we'd be willing to deed

[57:25] over to Kimble, something that you guys could utilize for yourselves to attract

[57:30] and, you know, really bring amenities to the residents. those come in the form of

[57:35] fishing or a walking trail, etc. That's almost 50 acres worth of property there.

[57:40] Um, including those ponds that we're willing to work with you guys for um and

[57:46] gift you in any means. Um,

[57:51] and we've taken dual note. I mean, I I've I've camped out here now probably

[57:56] two weeks total uh since we closed in August and rode my dirt bikes and my

[58:00] four-wheelers around here and stayed in my RV on the property. And the that gun

[58:06] range is is quite a significant amount of noise to say the least. So, what

[58:10] we're bringing to the table from between the rail and the gun range and the

[58:16] freeway, I don't even think you'd hear anything that that we'd be adding to

[58:20] that scenario because there's a ton of road noise on the weekends. It's

[58:23] semi-automatic and sometimes fully automatic weapons and the rail passes

[58:27] probably six times a day. So, um yeah, I've met with some of your neighbors. I

[58:33] have 17 of them that border our property on the west line there on Allen Road.

[58:37] Um, I've had the pleasure of meeting a couple of them and I've got Darius

[58:41] Udrich in the back here who's our director of communications and in charge

[58:45] of governance and community outreach. We'll be meeting with the rest of them

[58:48] and putting in what is today a 330 foot setback um from that property line far

[58:54] greater than what what Neil has propo proposed

[58:58] » and something that where it leaves all that natural buffering in place. Um

[59:02] there would be a access point back there if you guys require it. not something

[59:05] that we require, but you know, per your fire code, you might need a um emergency

[59:11] access to the rear there. Other than that, it would be lockboxed and it'd be

[59:14] a knockway that you guys would only utilize in a in case of emergency. Um

[59:21] yeah, and we happy to answer any questions for you guys.

[59:25] So what is your model being? You used a term back in the day it was

[59:30] industrial park then it turned into business park and then some now is just

[59:36] lease buildings on property that is not sold. So what is your model here in

[59:42] regards to structure? >> So we're we're long-term holders. Um we

[59:46] don't look to to trade anything. So for the right user, you know, if they were

[59:50] talking something someone that was major jobs and maybe for this larger building

[59:54] that's there, >> um that could attract an ecosystem, you

[59:58] know, an automotive manufacturer maybe that would have suppliers and logistics

[1:00:02] companies that they would need to have close to their campus. Um we might look

[1:00:06] at selling something. Otherwise, we would be looking to build these, hold

[1:00:09] them. I'd be your single phone call and I'd be the one who'd be able to bend

[1:00:13] that tenant for whatever they may or may not be doing

[1:00:16] » that that doesn't fit in with your guidelines.

[1:00:19] » And then how flexible are the buildings being um one tenant, two tenants, that

[1:00:26] being that you just want the box, I guess, approved, but you want to be able

[1:00:32] to do whatever you you know, whatever inside to um split them up.

[1:00:36] » Yeah, that's a great question. So in West Michigan, we stood um two million

[1:00:40] square feet in total since 2020. >> That's five sites. We've got Ford,

[1:00:45] Fizer, Zoetis, Bradford White, real large heating and cooling company for

[1:00:49] headquarters. Um all of those buildings were speculatory. So we didn't know who

[1:00:54] who our tenant was going to be, right? We we tapped into the marketplace like

[1:00:57] we're doing now with reaching across the Canadian companies and locals

[1:01:01] » to figure out what type of building or blend it could be. We'd love a single

[1:01:04] tenant. >> That's ideal. Um, does that happen? It

[1:01:07] has all five times out there. >> Mhm.

[1:01:10] » Um, but we also made all those buildings really versatile. So, they've got

[1:01:13] parking lots on two different areas here. We've got docks and we can

[1:01:17] partition that building typically between two or and or three or even four

[1:01:21] times um depending on the tenant demand >> with a two-hour fire wall between

[1:01:27] » right I'm just asking in regards to% these buildings you you can see in other

[1:01:30] parts of the state um in regards to the aesthetics of it

[1:01:35] people will have different opinions but you can see these there's an Aldi's

[1:01:39] Amazon those type of shipping type buildings these are shells

[1:01:44] » they are And as a result of them, you don't necessarily know what's inside per

[1:01:49] se because I'm assuming you have the ability to do the moving wall aspect and

[1:01:53] you get x amount of entrance and or docks.

[1:01:56] » Yeah. And it's not just the wall the wall side of it too. So when we build a

[1:01:58] building like this, we won't pour the floor.

[1:02:00] » Okay. >> Because we don't know how many

[1:02:02] employees, bathrooms, office space. We don't know what that what they're going

[1:02:05] to need from an underground standpoint. So for us to come back and cut out six

[1:02:08] or eight inch floors is is wild in some cases. And then they want 20 bathrooms

[1:02:12] per gender. Mhm. >> Um, so what we'll do is we'll leave the

[1:02:16] floor out of that building or we'll pour maybe 3/4 of the floor less these two

[1:02:20] office corners that we have and we'll leave enough area for them to be able to

[1:02:24] manipulate. Um, we would prefer to land manufacturing

[1:02:29] companies. Those are more longerterm leases or really stable opportunities

[1:02:33] and they pay a lot more. Um, so that's our number one objective and what we're

[1:02:37] seeking. Um but you know the logistics companies have to support those as well.

[1:02:41] And with this being commerce with the bridge, I definitely see some logistics

[1:02:46] opportunities being a able to um land here as well.

[1:02:50] » So yeah, building will be uh we'll say built where it's versatile enough where

[1:02:56] it can transition to either one of those type of users.

[1:02:59] And sometimes, you know, we've been lucky with the buildings we built where

[1:03:03] we've put them up and, you know, two of them we were putting steel in the ground

[1:03:07] when, hey, I want this building. >> Mhm.

[1:03:10] » And we were able to identify and then we had some pivot time if they want to do

[1:03:14] some customization. Um, otherwise, yeah, typically a a shell of some kind that we

[1:03:20] have with no floor and lighting, fire suppression, electricity set up to

[1:03:24] multimeter and split. Same with gas, water, sewer. um so that it can pivot

[1:03:30] however that needs to. >> If I may, Mr. Chair, just two I'm not

[1:03:35] asking for an answer, just two points. >> Sure.

[1:03:38] » Traffic will come up in this conversation if it proceeds.

[1:03:41] » Sure. >> The other in regards to the battery

[1:03:45] plant in St. Clair. It's empty. It's big.

[1:03:49] » Sure. >> So, how are you going and you know, how

[1:03:51] are you going to address that in regards to comments of people?

[1:03:54] » Yeah. So, I think we've already performed a traffic study on this. I

[1:03:58] don't know if we have our um findings back, but I know there's going to have

[1:04:01] to be on Range Road in particular some additions in del lanes and traffic

[1:04:06] signaling that will need to be installed. And that's I mean that's

[1:04:09] that's the nature of what comes with this for sure.

[1:04:12] » Um I don't think it make anything worse.

[1:04:15] That's the whole point of the traffic study is to make it make it better. Um,

[1:04:20] this is a an intersection where it's it's the right kind of intersection to

[1:04:25] be able to do an opportunity like this. You know, the other side of the freeway,

[1:04:28] you guys have the roundabout. >> It's not as ideal as it is just to have

[1:04:32] straight on and off ramps. So, >> um, but some of the reasoning behind

[1:04:37] that is is good in this this occasion. Those roundabouts and semi-truckss,

[1:04:42] they're always too tiny. So, um, there's probably something possibly over there

[1:04:47] that might need to be accomplished as well,

[1:04:50] but those are all things that, yeah, we'll have to tackle as part of our site

[1:04:53] plan approvals and part of passing any and all questions that your team would

[1:04:58] have for us.

[1:05:02] » Mr. Chair, I have a question. >> Yes. Yes, representative Greg. So you it

[1:05:06] seems like you have a lot of infrastructure all throughout the

[1:05:09] country and I'm just thinking out loud as a potential resident who's seen these

[1:05:15] big white buildings. In your experience, has there been any oversight where you

[1:05:21] have the exterior of the building blending in with the environment as far

[1:05:25] as just creating, you know, like instead of just having a white wall, you have

[1:05:30] some decorative where it looks like the woods. Like I've got a friend, he's got

[1:05:34] a tow truck yard. The side of his fence looks like woods.

[1:05:38] » You sure? You got like a real real tree print slat inside of

[1:05:40] » it. Just a just a thought because I residents talk about stuff like they

[1:05:44] don't want these white walls in their woods. They don't want just giant white

[1:05:47] build. >> Yeah. Well, they won't they won't be

[1:05:48] white walls and you know there's a ton of color selections that we can choose

[1:05:52] from when we put the way when we do these kind of things. Um for what is

[1:05:56] facing residents beyond that 300 buffer and that's that's the reason we're

[1:06:00] leaving a lot of these trees in play. Number one, twothirds of this plan, if

[1:06:05] not threequarters of it, is not even near a resident. It's gun range, it's

[1:06:09] freeway, it's railroad. So, there's 17 residents in question here um that are

[1:06:15] that have any type of of line of sight or visibility to this. And that's a wall

[1:06:20] that we can install at, you know, dark green or black or any of those number of

[1:06:25] things. But we don't do white walls. So, that would be it would be a darker or

[1:06:28] lighter tone of gray and be a couple different kinds of them. We not putting

[1:06:33] a big white wall in for anybody. >> Sure.

[1:06:35] » Our committee came up with no data center, utility study, traffic study, BM

[1:06:41] bonding based upon valuation, preliminary drawings, all parcels be

[1:06:47] joined together because they're separate parcels now.

[1:06:51] » Six of them.

[1:06:54] » That was the committee's recommendation. If you have your traffic study, is it

[1:06:59] addressing the railroad being

[1:07:02] which has always been the issue where you get stuck? And that's another

[1:07:08] hot topic in the community. I know you cannot solve it but it's always it is a

[1:07:13] point of conversation that will be brought up because you're increasing

[1:07:16] traffic and then with even without your traffic we have issues where range is

[1:07:23] blocked Griswald is blocked and the other

[1:07:28] section of range is blocked and >> he's got he's got spurs spurs

[1:07:32] » right so I'm just saying in regards to that does your does your traffic study

[1:07:37] address that or will that address that in regards Yeah, it will be addressing

[1:07:40] that and likely the road will have to be widened for another lane or two on each

[1:07:44] side to address maneuvering and additional traffic queuing and any type

[1:07:49] of traffic signaling that will need to be installed.

[1:07:51] » Mhm. >> I'm not a traffic engineer by any means.

[1:07:54] I I build relationships and partnerships with municipalities.

[1:07:58] I've got a team that does that and they're really good at it and they're

[1:08:01] seasoned. So, they'll be addressing all of that for you guys.

[1:08:08] So that's why the the if we could get the master plan with the definition

[1:08:16] in place and not for their reasons for our reasons to have a a draft finalized.

[1:08:24] » Mr. Chair, I'd like to say one more thing. So I along with Neil and other

[1:08:28] members, we sat down with Greg and his team multiple times. We sat down with

[1:08:31] the lawyer and in plain English, it makes things harmonious. It makes us

[1:08:36] more attractive. It makes people like his team and other potential tenants and

[1:08:41] teams within the township. It makes it things simpler for them to do business

[1:08:45] with us. And we've all seen instances where a lot of our old ordinances, a lot

[1:08:51] of our old things make things kind of fickle and that's why we've talked on

[1:08:56] the trustee board, we need to readress some things and make things more user

[1:09:00] friendly. So, um, all my experiences with Greg and his team, they seem like

[1:09:07] great people. They want to invest in this community and, um, yeah, I mean,

[1:09:11] I've reached out to Greg after I first met him and I gave him some ideas. I

[1:09:14] reached out to Mark Hilo who's in the process of expanding Gilo Pickles and I

[1:09:18] said, "Hey, this might be a great opportunity." And he said, "Yeah, I'll

[1:09:20] think about it." So, I mean, there's lots of opportunities. So, I just wanted

[1:09:23] to express that.

[1:09:28] » Any other comments?

[1:09:31] So that's the right ide.

[1:09:40] » Thank you guys for allowing me. >> Thank you.

[1:09:42] » Thank you. >> Thanks.

[1:09:52] » Good evening uh members of the planning commission. Uh thank you for the

[1:09:55] opportunity to speak here this evening. My name is Larry Opleski. I'm with the

[1:09:58] law firm Dickinson. Right. We're outside zoning council for the developer. Just

[1:10:03] wanted to say a few words about the development district idea. Uh you know,

[1:10:08] we we've looked at everything you guys have been working on and you know, we

[1:10:11] think you do great work. However, for this particular development, what we'd

[1:10:15] really like to encourage is uh moving in the direction of a conditional resoning.

[1:10:21] You know, I know you folks have been doing this for a long time, so you don't

[1:10:23] need me to explain it to you, but just in a nutshell, Michigan Zoning Enabling

[1:10:27] Act uh allows a township such as yourself to accept an application for a

[1:10:32] conditional resoning. And what that means is there's a a back and forth

[1:10:37] discussion between the developer and the municipality in regards to, okay, if

[1:10:41] we're going to give you this resoning, here's the conditions we want to see

[1:10:45] that you have to abide by, otherwise the zoning goes back to what it was before,

[1:10:49] essentially. Um and really, you know, in regards to the benefits for that,

[1:10:54] there's there's two main ones that I want to highlight here. Number one is

[1:10:57] the timing um to move forward with the development district in which I believe

[1:11:01] this would be a special uh exception, special land use. Um the all the

[1:11:06] processes that have to go in front of that, that's going to take months and

[1:11:09] months and months. Um time which frankly the developer would really rather not

[1:11:14] spend. We'd rather get jobs and uh commerce here sooner rather than later.

[1:11:19] Um, so timing is one and the other one is really flexibility. Um, in my

[1:11:25] experience, and I've been doing zoning and land use work for more than a decade

[1:11:30] now, conditional resonings are really the sweet spot when it comes to a

[1:11:33] development like this because we can offer you setbacks. Uh, we can offer you

[1:11:39] additional screening. we can offer you uh many of the items that that Greg just

[1:11:43] mentioned whereas typically you wouldn't be able to uh require a lot of those

[1:11:48] things under some different land use approval processes. So um in regards to

[1:11:53] this particular parcel and we've discussed this with uh Mr. Francis as

[1:11:57] well um it's it's I don't think I'm speaking out of term by saying it's his

[1:12:01] opinion that a conditional resoning is the more desirable uh aspect for this

[1:12:05] particular project and for this particular property. So, uh, we would

[1:12:09] really encourage you to to move in that direction. Um, happy to answer any

[1:12:14] questions, any comments. >> But, Mr. Counselor, isn't that your

[1:12:18] ball? It's in your court to come forward with that application.

[1:12:22] » Yes. And we can have that to you within a matter of days.

[1:12:25] » Correct. And then it's there is no negotiation. It's an up or down. Yes or

[1:12:29] no? So what we would be what ideally what we'd be doing is we'd want to have

[1:12:34] uh some discussions some of which have already been had to see what sort of

[1:12:39] conditions would make this palatable for the community right what would protect

[1:12:42] the best interests of of your residents >> but yes you're right under under state

[1:12:46] law you can't technically require us to have certain conditions but we're

[1:12:50] certainly not going to put something forward that we don't think is going to

[1:12:53] be acceptable to you >> right you have to offer we say yes or no

[1:12:57] » that's correct

[1:13:03] All right. Well, if there's no other questions, I appreciate the the board's

[1:13:06] time this evening. >> That's the board's pleasure.

[1:13:15] » Well, we were >> Could we expedite things? I mean, after

[1:13:19] you just said within days we can have something. Can we expedate it now to

[1:13:23] where we vote now once it's in? No. >> Green light? No. you would have to have

[1:13:27] a public hearing and advertise in mail. >> Right on.

[1:13:30] » Yeah. >> We don't even have a

[1:13:33] application for conditional recessive. Yeah.

[1:13:37] » So, just to recap what is being asked of us.

[1:13:41] I think there's three different things just for clarity. I question the master

[1:13:46] plan thing because we approved it. Did the township approve it?

[1:13:49] » Yes. >> And it did provide some guidance in

[1:13:51] regards to the development district in the PUD, but that's good to go. Correct.

[1:13:55] » Correct. So then it leaves us two items that being there is being a request from

[1:14:00] administration. Bill and I sat on a couple of the committees too about the

[1:14:04] issue about the development district which is mentioned in the in the master

[1:14:08] plan. However, it's not in the zoning code and moving forward with something

[1:14:13] to address that matter which is the item before us.

[1:14:16] » The definition. >> Yep. The definition which would which

[1:14:18] would require a zoning amendment process >> once we get the definition. Yes. But you

[1:14:25] have to have the you have to have the public hearing. And so that's one item

[1:14:29] to address. The second item to be addressed in regards to this partial in

[1:14:33] question based on the presentation and the correspondence from the township

[1:14:38] attorney, there is the request to do or we should not be surprised about a

[1:14:44] conditional reszoning being request of us.

[1:14:46] » Correct. >> But that has to come from the applicant,

[1:14:48] not from the township. >> Yes. And so as a result of that, that

[1:14:52] may or may not be at our next month's meeting because such application

[1:14:56] requires the public hearing and the notice. Correct.

[1:15:00] » Correct. >> And then it's up to us in regards to

[1:15:02] whatever they present to us if we like or not like or approve or not approve,

[1:15:07] but we are not negotiating >> at the public hearing.

[1:15:10] » At the public hearing. So, it's really an up or down asis or you just say

[1:15:16] or pass, you know, an approval and then that's

[1:15:21] similar to a zoning that would then be codified through the zoning process

[1:15:26] because it would be a reszoning because we would still have to follow that's

[1:15:29] going to the county >> metro planning.

[1:15:32] » Yeah. Metro planning county and to the township board at the final approval.

[1:15:35] » Metro planning today. >> Yeah. So, and I believe it's 14 days,

[1:15:40] correct? At minimum. So, in regards to Mr. Locer's comment about can we

[1:15:45] expedite I'm just saying there is minimum at to

[1:15:49] expedite this process and being a public body. All we could offer him or the

[1:15:53] applicant if it was approved was two meetings in one month.

[1:15:58] » We could >> that's

[1:15:59] » I don't know if that 60 days is required with a conditional use.

[1:16:04] » What do you mean 60 days? public hearing own metro planning back to township and

[1:16:10] then the township board approves. >> Oh, you're talking about the whole

[1:16:14] that's a Mr. Francis. But at a minimum, we're going to have to have a public

[1:16:17] hearing and and say yay or nay to a conditional resoning.

[1:16:20] » That's correct. >> Right. And it goes to the town board

[1:16:23] because it's an agreement. >> It's set for public. But you don't have

[1:16:27] » I don't have an application. And to my understanding, an application and

[1:16:31] payment triggers a a meeting or I mean triggers a public hearing anyways.

[1:16:36] » Correct. >> We don't do that.

[1:16:38] » Correct. >> You said the public hearing.

[1:16:41] » No, we haven't. No, the application does.

[1:16:46] » Yeah. >> The application sets it because they

[1:16:48] have to pay. >> They they apply,

[1:16:51] » right? >> We don't have they have the fee

[1:16:54] » once we get the application and fee, >> right?

[1:17:00] say the township board set. >> No, you guys, the clerk's office does

[1:17:04] that. They do the and it comes on our agenda and we hold the public hearing,

[1:17:10] » right? Okay. >> So, the item really before us tonight is

[1:17:15] whether this board wants to set a public hearing on the zoning amendment

[1:17:20] associated with the development district because that's associated with the

[1:17:23] zoning code.

[1:17:28] What's the pleasure? >> Not most of it.

[1:17:32] » You got to be a Philadelphia lawyer, don't you?

[1:17:35] » Well, I'm just trying to work >> the definition.

[1:17:38] » No, you need a definition. >> Definition.

[1:17:41] » That's where I'm But a conditional resoning is not going to require that

[1:17:44] definition. >> It is not at all

[1:17:46] » because it's currently zoned something commercial.

[1:17:49] » Correct. >> So,

[1:17:51] » he can come and ask for >> blue.

[1:17:54] » Correct. for a conditional resoning. >> Yes.

[1:17:58] » Yeah. >> I just want here to explain the

[1:18:02] reasoning for the time frame here. >> I understand.

[1:18:05] » But we need to get the ball rolling. >> Yeah.

[1:18:07] » Here. >> Two and a half years.

[1:18:10] » Well, yeah. I know. That's We're getting all getting older here.

[1:18:13] » Yeah. Amen. >> So, Mr. Tuttle in regards to I think the

[1:18:19] question being because it's on our agenda this item that's being brought

[1:18:23] before by Neo and the township attorney for development focused district. Do you

[1:18:29] want to have a does the board want to act on this by setting a public hearing?

[1:18:35] » I think we should. Yeah. >> Well, that's the question to set the

[1:18:38] public hearing and as a result it's a zoning amendment. So, it requires a

[1:18:42] public hearing. >> Y

[1:18:43] » them putting in the newspaper. We hold a public hearing. We say yay or nay with a

[1:18:47] recommendation. It goes to Metro >> and then it also goes to the township

[1:18:52] board and they have the final say. >> I think he's looking for you to make the

[1:18:55] motion. >> I think Mr. Tuttle can do this.

[1:18:59] » I'm very confident. >> Killing me here.

[1:19:00] » I'm very confident. >> See, my face is now beat red. Thank you.

[1:19:05] » Your head. >> You're fine. It's warm out.

[1:19:08] » Oh god. >> Planning commission meeting 30 days from

[1:19:12] now. >> Yes.

[1:19:13] » Yes. So

[1:19:15] » because you don't have an election, correct madam clerk?

[1:19:19] » Okay. >> How many day notice do you have to have

[1:19:21] for uh prudence? What is it? >> 14 days.

[1:19:25] » Is it 14 business days? >> May 26.

[1:19:30] » That's our next meeting. >> Correct.

[1:19:34] » Fine. move to schedule a public hearing to address

[1:19:39] the development focus district definition and zoning amendment at the

[1:19:44] next planning commission meeting scheduled for May 26, 2026.

[1:19:48] » Mr. Chair, here's a question. You wanted >> if we only need 14 days.

[1:19:53] » How many people do we need for a quorum to hold a meeting?

[1:19:56] » Four. >> I mean, we've done this before.

[1:20:01] Can we do a meeting in 14 days to get these guys rolling? I'll show up to a

[1:20:06] meeting. >> I will I would expect everybody to show

[1:20:09] up. >> Right. Mr. Locer, it's two different

[1:20:12] things. >> Okay.

[1:20:13] » He wants a reconditioning. >> Yeah.

[1:20:15] » They have to make that request. >> Okay.

[1:20:19] » And he said it could take what? >> Within a week.

[1:20:22] » Yeah. We can have it by end of week. We were just wanted to introduce and make

[1:20:25] sure >> Yeah. We were

[1:20:28] being friendly and doing it the right way before we sent it.

[1:20:30] » Well, I appreciate that. >> So, we have faces to names when it's on

[1:20:33] the agenda. >> Sure. Please.

[1:20:37] » What? >> On video, too.

[1:20:38] » Oh, okay. >> Okay.

[1:20:42] » Made a motion. >> I made the motion.

[1:20:44] » Need a second. >> I second it.

[1:20:46] » All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I.

[1:20:50] » I. Oppose. Same sign. >> Carries. Now the ball's in your court.

[1:20:57] I guess my other comment is someone going to address the question of Neil's

[1:21:00] by asking either Metro or Mr. Francis on both on both items being they do review

[1:21:06] zoning amendment. I believe they do because I think we've done this in the

[1:21:09] past. But then in regard to are they because we're general law are they going

[1:21:13] to review conditional resoning requests even though it's you know specific to us

[1:21:19] but it is still considered a zoning amendment. I I I think that'll be proper

[1:21:24] » and and seeing how it we have the uh

[1:21:30] our uh everything's been approved already.

[1:21:33] » Master plan >> master planning is it going to be

[1:21:37] » it fits. >> Okay.

[1:21:43] » Are you ready? >> Did you vote on

[1:21:47] » No, we didn't vote on the I >> We didn't We didn't vote. No, no,

[1:21:51] » I thought was we didn't know. >> Just

[1:21:55] » All those in favor. >> We did say that.

[1:21:57] » We did do that. >> We did.

[1:21:59] » No, we did. >> Let's do it again. If he doesn't

[1:22:01] remember, let's do it again. >> All those in favor of the motion signify

[1:22:05] by saying I >> I

[1:22:06] » oppose. Same sign. >> Thank you.

[1:22:08] » There you go. >> Thank you.

[1:22:10] » We did it once. >> Yeah.

[1:22:12] » You at least deny. >> All right. Okay.

[1:22:17] Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you.

[1:22:20] Okay, >> we'll maybe see you next month

[1:22:23] » or before. >> We will.

[1:22:24] » Okay, B, right?

[1:22:29] » Y >> Wessle Lepier Road Pond and Sand

[1:22:32] Removal. >> There you go. I think Mr. Gillette's

[1:22:34] here. >> Steve Wessel.

[1:22:37] » Mr. Wessel's here, too, >> cuz he's Yeah.

[1:22:45] » What do you need, sir? >> I don't know. I'm not not sure why I'm

[1:22:49] here. I think you're just looking for an update.

[1:22:52] » I think so.

[1:22:56] » The update is your address. >> Miss Rubel needs your name and address.

[1:23:01] » Steven.

[1:23:06] » Okay.

[1:23:10] » The update is um we uh hadn't done much work over the winter. It was a bad

[1:23:16] winter. So, uh, but soon as the frost laws were lifted, we've been out there

[1:23:20] every day, uh, working and, uh, we're about halfway done.

[1:23:27] So, our minutes from the last time we met, which was not last month, but it

[1:23:31] was what was um, because we just approved these

[1:23:36] meeting minutes. So, in February, we extended it until August 2026 for

[1:23:42] you. >> Okay.

[1:23:44] » And I want to make sure that this is correct. It says Lepier Road, Mr.

[1:23:47] Washington's property. That is yours, correct?

[1:23:49] » Uh, yeah, >> it should say Wessle then.

[1:23:52] » Yeah, it should say Wessle. Yeah. >> Um, we'll need to make a note of that

[1:23:55] before we leave today. This isn't right. Are you going to need more time than

[1:24:00] than um August? And if so, are you going to come back next month then? Do you

[1:24:04] want to come back next month? >> Yeah, we my contractor says we might

[1:24:10] need more time. So, >> Mr. Gilencia,

[1:24:14] » would you like me to walk up, please?

[1:24:20] » Would you give your name, please? >> Good afternoon. Matt Gillette. Uh,

[1:24:25] address is 4259 Gravity Road, Clyde. As far as completion date, uh, we got

[1:24:32] roughly, let's say, 35,000 yards left. We hauled

[1:24:37] out of the 45,000 yards, roughly about 7,000 yards so far.

[1:24:42] uh in order to keep peace within the community and keep truck traffic down.

[1:24:46] We don't want to pound it with trucks. So, we're trying to extend it out a

[1:24:49] little bit further. That way, it's a little more gentle to the public and our

[1:24:53] neighboring properties. >> So, realistically, we're probably

[1:24:57] looking at the end of the year to finish this up. So, a tenative completion date

[1:25:02] of 123126.

[1:25:06] » When does frost laws come on? Isn't that November?

[1:25:08] » Frost laws come on during the spring. >> Oh, spring. Okay. All right.

[1:25:18] » Mud mudmat was added. >> Correct. And I got pictures of that

[1:25:21] timestamped. So, uh, Neil reached out and we had a sit down meeting Friday and

[1:25:27] informed us that he wanted a mudmat. Monday, we put a mud mat in. Um, got

[1:25:31] pitch approved. So, that's ready to go. >> Would there be hardship if there was a

[1:25:36] motion to October? I just know practicality for us. we because of the

[1:25:40] holidays in November and December, we may not have a meeting and it may you

[1:25:43] know expire without us being able to meet just depending on you know how

[1:25:48] November with Thanksgiving in our schedule and so would there be a

[1:25:53] hardship if we saw you then in October instead and then if you need the

[1:25:57] additional time then we go with that. >> Yeah, we could always review at October

[1:26:00] and you know we'll have a better understanding midway through the year

[1:26:03] too if we need extended time based on what projects we have etc. So I'm just

[1:26:09] thinking of feasibility because sometimes we don't meet those two months

[1:26:12] because of how the holiday meets or falls.

[1:26:16] So

[1:26:21] » any other questions? >> Yeah. Is there anything else that we

[1:26:26] need to address in regards to conditions that aren't being met or just

[1:26:31] items? >> The conditions were met.

[1:26:36] the county satisfied.

[1:26:40] » So there isn't if we enough gr time would be granted to address the slopes

[1:26:45] that need to be corrected. And this um I guess that was an item last time that we

[1:26:51] talked about this because it's not finished that we're not addressing the

[1:26:54] slopes or >> it's too wet to do the slopes.

[1:26:57] » Yeah. So the process of digging this out because the water table is high. We're

[1:27:00] digging out with the water in there. when we're close to completion of size,

[1:27:04] we're going to drain the pond down and then put a dozer in the bottom to clean

[1:27:08] up the side slopes and make it, >> you know, compliant in that way. But

[1:27:12] » I believe we're leaving the slopes a little more gentle, but they they look a

[1:27:16] little jagged just because we're digging underwater. It's hard to see.

[1:27:20] » Okay. >> Did you have a question?

[1:27:22] » What are your hours of operation? >> Mon Monday through Friday, 7 to 7

[1:27:33] Okay. Um, well, right now, and I I spoke to Neil about this, we're actually

[1:27:38] hauling sand out of there to take to our shop, which is a couple of addresses

[1:27:42] down to the west. >> Uh, so we can do early and late loading.

[1:27:46] Um, >> uh, well, that property we're loading as

[1:27:51] early as 5:30, 5 in the morning, and sometimes 8 o'clock at night,

[1:27:56] » which is that that's a totally separate property. That's in Clyde Township, too.

[1:28:00] were um >> street

[1:28:04] » industrial there that he'd be industrial. So I didn't see anything in

[1:28:08] the in there for time time constraints but could be wrong if if I have

[1:28:16] supplied

[1:28:21] » again >> any other questions or comments

[1:28:26] » I'll accept a motion >> but it's miss it's Wessel it's not

[1:28:30] Washington correct >> correct

[1:28:32] » yep we got it I just want See, cuz that's right here.

[1:28:40] » And we're doing this asleep here. Okay. >> So, you're you're only trucking company

[1:28:45] in and out of there. >> Uh there's occasional other trucks that

[1:28:49] we bring in, but we don't usually bring any more than five trucks, you know,

[1:28:52] five trucks running multiple rounds a day. You're usually running two, maybe

[1:28:57] three rounds out of there a day. So, >> and a class A.

[1:29:00] » Correct. Yep. And I got an email from Andrew McNiff stating that we don't need

[1:29:04] a road bond or a special use permit for the road, stating that that is only for

[1:29:10] oversize overwidth uses and that because we're hauling legal loads out of the

[1:29:14] property that he doesn't require us to have a bond or use for that specific

[1:29:19] road because it's class A. >> And then help us out. That's the road

[1:29:22] commission, correct? >> That is the road commission. Yes.

[1:29:25] » I have that same >> Y just to let everybody else know. I was

[1:29:29] just by there today and the road's pretty clean. So, it does you can't tell

[1:29:33] that there's trucks going in and out of there. So, pretty clean.

[1:29:37] » So, we uh >> our our yard loader that we use to load

[1:29:40] out of that property in our yard. We have a pickup broom that we use. So,

[1:29:45] daily we're sweeping up on the road and then, you know, unlike a lot of rooms,

[1:29:50] we're not just kicking it off to the shoulder. We're actually kicking or

[1:29:52] picking it up then bringing it back to our shop to dispose of.

[1:29:57] » Okay. I'll move to extend the pond and soil

[1:30:02] removal permit for Lepier Road, Mr. Wessel's property to September

[1:30:09] 28th, 2026

[1:30:13] from August 2026.

[1:30:20] » Second. >> I have a motion

[1:30:22] » and a second. >> All those in favor signify by saying I.

[1:30:27] I >> oppos same sign.

[1:30:30] » Car >> just for clarification to meet with this

[1:30:35] about an extension or if we need to do an update. What date will that be or

[1:30:38] will you >> That is the 26th.

[1:30:40] » That'll be the 26th. >> That's our regular meeting date.

[1:30:43] » All right. And then uh one last thing on that too. We did amend the um soil

[1:30:48] removal permit to add me as an interested party or uh interested party

[1:30:52] so that my contact is on there as well. Um okay. I know you're out of town often

[1:30:56] working and like I said our business our operations is two doors down so we're

[1:31:01] there every day. >> Okay.

[1:31:03] » Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. Jul.

[1:31:05] » Thank you.

[1:31:09] » Okay. We have uh C Spartanville Baptist building update.

[1:31:32] Okay, as an update, we are continuing to discuss with the city engineer the types

[1:31:37] of soils that are on the site >> and possibly getting an infiltration

[1:31:41] test to prove that the pond that is designed is adequate.

[1:31:46] » So, I here I have Do you got foot puddings in the ground?

[1:31:49] » No. >> No footings yet?

[1:31:51] » No. There is a permit. >> Yeah.

[1:31:54] » 11 of 2025 was issued to get them started. They haven't done anything. So,

[1:32:02] just an update for you. >> Okay.

[1:32:05] » So, hopefully this be can be addressed before the November expiration for this

[1:32:11] project. And if not, we'll see you in Nove, you know, November or earlier

[1:32:15] because I think we've extended this out of courtesy for a while now.

[1:32:20] » We have. Yes. >> So I believe it's November is when the

[1:32:24] current expiration quote unquote would occur for the plans

[1:32:28] » of the footing permit. >> Yeah. The footing permit. But it's kind

[1:32:30] of tied to We did that with the site plane, too. We have an incomplete site

[1:32:34] plan. >> Correct.

[1:32:37] » Third party. >> Yeah. So we'll see you November or maybe

[1:32:41] earlier than November if this matter is addressed.

[1:32:44] » Yes. >> Got it.

[1:32:46] » Okay. >> Thank you.

[1:32:50] Okay. >> Pastor got all dressed up and didn't say

[1:32:54] a word. >> Does he?

[1:32:59] » Do you feel okay about that or >> me?

[1:33:02] » Yeah. That you don't have to say anything.

[1:33:04] » No. Um, >> now if you talk, you got to go to the

[1:33:08] you got to go to the mic then. >> We drug you out here.

[1:33:17] » That's the engineer. >> Yes. So, Abe Braun, 5240 Griswald Road,

[1:33:23] » um Kimble, Michigan. So, so yeah, basically

[1:33:27] that's who I've been talking to and last updates he's been telling me is seemed

[1:33:32] like largely um he told me the parking lot and

[1:33:36] retention pond were settled with Tetrate Tech and that the last thing that we

[1:33:40] were waiting on was small stuff, basically semantic. So, I asked him,

[1:33:43] "So, will we be good to go tonight?" He said, "No."

[1:33:46] » No. And so, and then also the reason we've not started with our footings is

[1:33:50] our contractor wanted to get the plants more done before we're digging and

[1:33:54] putting them in and then they're sitting there. So, um,

[1:33:57] » yeah, >> we just don't want to be the hold up.

[1:34:00] » Sure. No, that's the thing. It doesn't I don't think it's you guys. It seems like

[1:34:03] it's our engineer with the other one and and I'm I've sought counsel from

[1:34:08] contractors about scratching our engineer and starting

[1:34:12] over, but are we too close to do that? Like, like what's the smart play here?

[1:34:15] So, it seems like we're kind of stuck waiting a little bit.

[1:34:19] » Um, so yeah, I don't think it's you guys at all.

[1:34:22] » So, at the end of the day, if we don't we don't have to see you. We just need

[1:34:26] the letters that say the the numbers are correct at a minimum. We don't have to

[1:34:32] see you, but we extended it until November kind of out of courtesy as

[1:34:36] said. >> No, I appreciate it. And that's the

[1:34:37] thing, too. I've not seen the corresponding emails. I'm just hearing

[1:34:40] what he's telling me. So, I don't really >> know exactly where we're at. So, it's a

[1:34:44] little complicated >> because we went back and forth and we

[1:34:47] have two letters from two different third parties that said the same thing.

[1:34:50] » Sure. No, I I understand and from what I've seen and from the people I know who

[1:34:54] are contractors who have looked at them, they had questions as well. Like, so

[1:34:58] I've seen that. >> So,

[1:35:01] » thank you guys. >> Thank you.

[1:35:02] » Thank you. >> We're not talking about that, are we?

[1:35:03] » Huh? >> Why? That's not on the agenda, Mr.

[1:35:06] Chair. >> Oh, well, it's coming up.

[1:35:08] » Okay. I have uh No. audience

[1:35:13] participation. Do we have anybody that wishes to

[1:35:17] participate? No,

[1:35:20] » we just appreciate that there's people here.

[1:35:22] » I really do. >> I've sat here for years and there's not

[1:35:25] been people here. >> See what's going on Taylor Road. I

[1:35:30] missed that beginning. >> Yes. But you got to come up here and

[1:35:34] » Yeah. need your name and address. >> My name is Harry Mowski. 6236 Winch

[1:35:39] Road. Um, you guys allowed that compost to go right next to me on on the one

[1:35:45] side of the property and then now on the other side you guys are thinking of

[1:35:49] putting a sand pit. >> I'll comment about I know where he's

[1:35:52] you're at. >> I'm right dead. I'm right alongside of

[1:35:55] Trello's property and now he's going to sandwich me in where we're smelling the

[1:36:00] compost and I've been up here different times and they said the permit's going

[1:36:04] to expire and apparently it just kept extending. I I've talked to Rob

[1:36:10] Yuzakowski for that >> different times and this thing just

[1:36:13] keeps going and going and going. >> But it's the compost. I don't understand

[1:36:17] that statement. >> The leaves that come in uh at Fledge

[1:36:23] Trolls. >> Okay.

[1:36:25] » Yes. >> And the state permit from Eagle.

[1:36:30] » Okay. And it was supposed to be short-term according to the people at

[1:36:34] the township here and then it just keeps extending.

[1:36:38] » I've been here 38 years and I never said short term.

[1:36:42] » Okay. Well, the people that I talked to here, um Rob Yuzakowski was one of them

[1:36:46] and then some of >> I'm the zoning and planning.

[1:36:50] » Okay. >> I'm not talking on behalf of the chair,

[1:36:52] but we're the two oldest ones here. >> I've never

[1:36:55] » No, that hasn't come to us. >> The to the

[1:36:58] » the composting has not. >> No.

[1:37:00] » No. So you don't even know they're composting back there. There's

[1:37:03] » multiple trucks going in there. Semi-truckss coming in there all the

[1:37:06] time. >> That way for

[1:37:08] 10 years. >> Yes.

[1:37:10] » And I complained at that time and I filled out the forms and did everything.

[1:37:13] Then >> Eagle made them do is slope and there

[1:37:17] was an area where they ruined the wetlands. They had to

[1:37:23] mitigate the wetlands. Almost five acres. Yes.

[1:37:28] They just cleared out. >> Is this a state state? He's got a state

[1:37:32] permit to do the composting. >> Yes.

[1:37:35] » So that's got nothing to do with us. >> Eagles, I was out there with 13

[1:37:39] different people from the state of Michigan.

[1:37:42] » There's a problem. >> No.

[1:37:44] » Yeah. 13 different people. >> Yeah.

[1:37:48] And then if he's going to do this sand pit, like when he drained the pond for

[1:37:54] the composting to get the sand out of there, all of our ponds drop

[1:37:58] dramatically all in the whole area because it's all sand and it just all

[1:38:02] levels out. If he's going to do the same thing on the other side of us, it's

[1:38:05] going to do the exactly the same thing. That that water is going to drop

[1:38:09] dramatically again. And I don't know where he's going to get rid of that

[1:38:11] water. >> I think he's only going what, one ft. 20

[1:38:16] ft deep.

[1:38:21] » That's your neighbor. >> What's that?

[1:38:23] » That's your neighbor. >> How are you?

[1:38:29] » You got approval of the big pond 1.4 acres.

[1:38:34] » Mhm. >> Yep.

[1:38:37] » Hours of operation >> 77

[1:38:41] » for one year. >> For one year. And he come back if need

[1:38:43] be. again. How long was the composting? Was

[1:38:48] that a one-year also? And now into it. >> That's a non-ending

[1:38:54] contract for the composting. >> That is a state permit.

[1:39:00] » You probably have to go ask the state about that permit.

[1:39:06] » Yeah, >> because we don't handle states.

[1:39:10] So does the state permit overrun our township ordinance

[1:39:15] » being from another county >> which they are

[1:39:20] » they are and they're >> I have documentation

[1:39:23] » and they're selling it to Michigan Pete begging the black dirt as agricultural

[1:39:31] to sell the Michigan they beg it and sell it to black dirt

[1:39:38] » and that has affected to my well quality and health because that stuff is blown

[1:39:43] around for. Um, >> Mr. Chair, if I may speak, I think what

[1:39:49] he's asking us is he lives in our township and what are we going to do

[1:39:51] about it? >> Yeah.

[1:39:54] » No, he's he's >> they have a state permit. So there's

[1:39:58] » and he's disgruntled and he wants us to communicate with the state for him

[1:40:02] because we represent him. >> We have andowski

[1:40:05] and myself been out there. They line they line the tops when they turn it,

[1:40:10] that's when you get the stain. Are you with Vincent Heating and

[1:40:15] Plumbing or >> I used to be. Yeah.

[1:40:20] » And it was, you know, the first year was horrible. I mean, we had billions of

[1:40:24] flies. I mean, it was >> And doesn't Marty keep in contact with

[1:40:28] you? >> Marty does. Yeah.

[1:40:29] » Okay. >> And um

[1:40:32] but anyway, just that's why I wasn't sure where the property is located. Is

[1:40:36] that the one right next to my property or is that the one where

[1:40:40] » closer to the expressway? >> It's behind Mr.

[1:40:44] » It's Zobels. >> I'm sorry. Where's that?

[1:40:48] » I'm sorry. I still didn't hear you. >> I'm Taylor.

[1:40:51] » Y

[1:40:54] » Oh, Zobel Farm. So, you guys going to be digging over there?

[1:40:56] » Yes, sir. >> Yeah. Okay.

[1:41:02] » Right. South of the exit or entrance. All right.

[1:41:06] » Yes. >> So, are they making that are they how

[1:41:09] much sand are they hauling out of there? Cuz that's I haven't heard anything of

[1:41:12] that until, you know, it came out public.

[1:41:15] » There was a uh you got a letter stating that there was a public hearing,

[1:41:20] » correct? That's why I'm here today. >> Yeah. And it was in a newspaper. So,

[1:41:24] that's only we don't call people tell them there's a meeting.

[1:41:28] That's why we have a public hearing. >> Yep. I guess I just um How how big is

[1:41:33] the pond going to be? I I don't know anything. I don't know what's

[1:41:36] » the application was 1.4 acres 20t deep.

[1:41:40] » Okay. So, it's just a normal pond then. Gotcha. Right.

[1:41:43] » All right. I was under the assumption that Trello has been asking me if he

[1:41:47] could get on my property and dig. He's wants that sand bad. So, that's why I

[1:41:53] thought he jumped over there and was going to do the same thing. You know,

[1:41:55] try to dig on each side, but that's just a pond. I don't have a problem with

[1:41:58] that. >> So,

[1:41:59] » so can I ask I just flinch bog? Which portion? Flinchbog. Um, next to DNM.

[1:42:07] That part of Flinch or No, wait a minute. That's bar.

[1:42:10] » If you go down Taylor office 69, you would turn left.

[1:42:13] » I'm behind >> towards the golf course.

[1:42:16] » You are going towards the golf course. Yes.

[1:42:17] » Where his trucks are. You're on the other. Okay.

[1:42:20] » Yep. I'm on the >> You're not on the populated side of Fl.

[1:42:24] » That's why I bought there. I wanted to be by myself in the

[1:42:26] » I understand where you're at now. It just took me a minute. It's a horrible

[1:42:28] thing >> because then the other side of Flinch

[1:42:30] Bog does the turnaround and turns into bug. Right.

[1:42:33] » Operation. >> Okay.

[1:42:38] » That's an old name. >> Yeah.

[1:42:41] » That property. >> Yeah.

[1:42:42] » He was doing the same thing then. >> Yeah. Atti met with me. Um he came over

[1:42:48] to the house. He talked to me and showed me the plans that he was going to do and

[1:42:50] how far he was going to go and the time frame he was going to go and then um Mr.

[1:42:55] Trello ended up buying that >> continue that same operation.

[1:43:00] » Okay. So anyway, I just wasn't sure what the pond

[1:43:04] was and I in my mind I'm thinking it's grander than what it was. So I'm

[1:43:08] thinking, oh boy, I'm going to be in between a sand pit and

[1:43:13] » correct. >> So

[1:43:14] » anything under two? >> Yes. Anything under two acres is not

[1:43:19] state reviewed. >> Okay.

[1:43:21] » Been doing this for a while and that is a loophole. I'm just going to call it

[1:43:25] what it is. >> I was picturing something like on

[1:43:27] Abbottzford Road there. You know the that pit that they dug?

[1:43:30] » Oh, >> on there which is huge. Not Abbottzford

[1:43:33] and Rice. >> The old tree farm. Are you talking about

[1:43:36] that? >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:43:38] » Tree farm. That that's what I was picturing out by me. So,

[1:43:40] » no no not no >> no good. I hope you have beautiful.

[1:43:46] » No. >> All right. Thank you for listening.

[1:43:49] » Make you feel a little better. >> All right.

[1:43:51] » Uh, anybody else?

[1:43:56] Just be quick. >> Yes.

[1:43:58] » Education. It would be easier that >> Yeah.

[1:44:02] » Yeah. The rest. So, um we're currently renting our operations base and looking

[1:44:09] for a place to reside. We're currently in light light industrial area which is

[1:44:13] implied. Um we've talked to a couple people in Kimble that have some

[1:44:18] properties. One of them is Perry Westbrook that has that property on

[1:44:21] Watams. But >> watoms and what?

[1:44:25] » Between I want to say it's between Griswald and Ravenswood on the east

[1:44:30] side. It's the industrial building blue. It's got a bunch of scrap metal out

[1:44:34] front. >> Um little bit of a

[1:44:38] » They had all the construction

[1:44:42] the building's way out back. >> Oh,

[1:44:46] but it's not. >> What's that? Okay.

[1:44:48] » Between >> uh right next to I can't remember what

[1:44:52] the name of the church is, but there's a church right next

[1:44:56] company. >> Oh, okay.

[1:44:57] » Yep. My question to you guys is the rumors I'm hearing and I don't know

[1:45:01] exactly how to look up one the zoning and two where to access you know I guess

[1:45:07] the allow what we're allowed to do in certain zoning areas but

[1:45:12] one how can I find where what that zoning is and two if it's zoned let's

[1:45:18] say commercial is there an option to be able to ask for reszoning to zone it

[1:45:23] into something different where one new owners can clean up the property make it

[1:45:27] useable But also, you know, as an excing company, we do screening, we do

[1:45:31] crushing. So, we'd have to have a use to allow that. I'm not familiar with how

[1:45:36] that works. >> It's not light because the light area

[1:45:39] there on Watams is more ne more closer to the railroad where the I don't know

[1:45:44] what it is now, but it used to be the hardware store or the lumber yard and

[1:45:48] area and that's more that's the light industrial area right there.

[1:45:51] » I think it's I think it's uh agricultural.

[1:45:54] » It's agricultural. He used to call he had a sign up there at one time said

[1:45:58] Westbrook Farms. >> Gotcha. All right. So, as far as special

[1:46:03] uses out there, it's probably unlikely to get some sort of a screening

[1:46:07] operation approved or whatnot. I mean, I guess where where do I find

[1:46:13] » the regulations? Is that correct? >> The zoning ordinance. Okay.

[1:46:16] » For soil. No. >> Uh, no. For property zoning and then

[1:46:21] allowed uses. >> Come see me tomorrow. Okay. All right,

[1:46:25] that's all I have. Thank you guys. >> That's early, isn't it? 8:30.

[1:46:33] » Oh, I thought it was 8:30. >> Oh, that must be

[1:46:38] » okay.

[1:46:41] » Anybody else? There was no ZBA. >> Wait a minute. Mr. Z.

[1:46:46] » Yes. >> Okay.

[1:46:52] » That's his plan. asked for a batch. >> Oh.

[1:46:57] » So anyways, it's right here.

[1:47:05] » Yeah, with the drawing of the You got to put the pond in there.

[1:47:07] » It is. >> Oh,

[1:47:09] » right there. Okay. >> Okay.

[1:47:12] » Yeah, we didn't get it. So, >> yeah. I'm

[1:47:14] » just saying what we got was this.

[1:47:19] » Put it on here. >> It doesn't matter to us. You just need

[1:47:22] to draw something with with the pond on it and get it to me tomorrow.

[1:47:26] » Okay. >> Yep. There you go.

[1:47:28] » To put with the application. >> Okay.

[1:47:30] » Yeah.

[1:47:34] » Because Yeah. The one that we It took us a minute. It wasn't all yours.

[1:47:39] » It took us >> Well, the township got approved for some

[1:47:41] uh special granting through Lisa Mlan's office. That's kind of a big deal. Okay.

[1:47:45] » Um we're working on that. But uh we have

[1:47:50] plans for the broad property down by uh at the bottom of Milwauke.

[1:47:56] » Mhm. >> Decker property.

[1:47:58] » Is that what it's called? >> Harold Decker owned it.

[1:48:01] » Okay. So um we're still waiting on grants to come through the community

[1:48:07] foundations to acquire it from them. Um I think it's going to be a good project.

[1:48:14] So, you have a a kayak >> be a canoe uh landing, right?

[1:48:18] » We're getting a kayak launch gifted to us from the county. So, that'll be fun.

[1:48:24] Um yeah, it's exciting. Um I put together

[1:48:28] an ordinance to uh I'm looking at the property at the

[1:48:33] corner of Grizzled and Watams and they want to put those eight duplexes and I I

[1:48:39] think having that many driveways that close to a busy

[1:48:44] intersection will be an issue. So, I drafted an ordinance to protect the

[1:48:49] residents for safety issues. Um Rob pushed it through the county road

[1:48:55] commission and we're seeing where it can go because I want to make sure that

[1:48:59] we're not we don't have people having to pull out of their driveway and cause an

[1:49:04] accident. So, it's going to be a big project if

[1:49:09] there's that many houses there. We don't need uh it's going to be a subdivision.

[1:49:13] There should be access from within, not 30 driveways on a corner. So,

[1:49:20] yeah, that's what I've got. >> Okay.

[1:49:24] Anybody else with anything? I have one. I was talked to somebody mentioned it

[1:49:31] again today to me. Chickens.

[1:49:36] » They're everywhere. >> Broad eggs.

[1:49:41] » Not just broad eggs. I know, but the lady sees them

[1:49:45] » complaining on broadex. It's on. >> I know. But I mean, we have an ordinance

[1:49:52] here and >> we do

[1:49:57] » cuz I know what in regards to livestock.

[1:50:03] » I know we had to deal with horses off of Burma or Harvey. Oh, it's Harvey, wasn't

[1:50:07] it? Yes. >> And flint ball, too.

[1:50:19] So the motion last time we brought this up is to leave

[1:50:26] » okay so I guess the one question is just as if minimum

[1:50:32] » how many chickens does she have you know >> doesn't matter just talking chickens

[1:50:38] » I eat chickens >> but She have roosters.

[1:50:41] » No, >> but there is someone complaining.

[1:50:44] » Yeah. >> Why can't we talk her into building a

[1:50:48] chicken trailer? >> No. It's actually a beautiful best

[1:50:51] looking little chicken house I ever seen. I got pictures. Absolutely.

[1:50:57] » I don't need to like cut the chair off. However, he sits on the ZBA and this I

[1:51:02] read this ordinance. This is a ZBA issue. So, it says all such I'm going to

[1:51:08] just say poultry. Mhm. >> She'll also be prohibited in any area of

[1:51:13] the township which is platted lands less than

[1:51:18] » they have to have three acres which broadex doesn't and further provide a

[1:51:21] minimum of 1acre or land shall be devoted but it says the determination of

[1:51:25] the ZBA established under the statute of this ordinance shall in the absence of

[1:51:28] fraud be conclusive on the question of whether such are obnoxious

[1:51:33] » and also caged. >> That doesn't say that. So it sounds like

[1:51:37] to me it's that's a ZBA question.

[1:51:41] Good. >> Mr. Chair, I got one more thing

[1:51:44] » that sounds because Broadex is platted, correct? I think Broadex is platted and

[1:51:49] nothing over there is more than one acre.

[1:52:00] But you have what? >> 300.

[1:52:03] » But does she have more than three acres? >> Those are those are

[1:52:08] » those are the small. I just know that was the issue at Harvey.

[1:52:11] » 300 >> because that lady with the horses had

[1:52:13] acreage. >> She had one he had 300 chickens.

[1:52:17] » Good lord. >> Key West.

[1:52:23] » Gary's got a question. Yes. >> I wanted to share one more thing. With

[1:52:26] the assistance of our county commissioner Joy Terrell, we proposed a

[1:52:29] moratorum. You know, the big talk right now is data centers. So, Joy helped us

[1:52:34] draft a moratorum to protect the township and keep us in check to protect

[1:52:39] the township from uh data centers. So, >> and not that

[1:52:45] supply data center, but just in case it happens. So, appreciate Joy. So,

[1:52:50] » so >> I know I know

[1:52:53] » what is your recommendation on the chickens there?

[1:52:56] » Well, that's what the ordinance says. If it's obnoxious or noise, that's

[1:52:58] determined by the ZBA. >> We're going to take it to ZBA and then

[1:53:02] we'll we'll put it in and we'll make the >> enforcement

[1:53:06] department. The Harvey issue was because we lost I shouldn't say lost, but they

[1:53:11] even when USDA came out is because that area was planted. However, she had more

[1:53:16] than three acres. Correct. over there in Harvey

[1:53:20] » in BRex. They don't have more than three acres over there.

[1:53:23] » No.

[1:53:27] » That one I don't remember. I just remember the Harvey one

[1:53:30] » cuz it was hard >> flinch ball. They had one and that poor

[1:53:32] horse was up to his belly. >> Are you talking about flinch off the

[1:53:35] bottom? >> Okay, got it.

[1:53:39] » So >> I got it.

[1:53:41] » Nobody said nothing. >> I'll move to adjourn at 7:55.

[1:53:44] » There you go. >> I second.

[1:53:46] » All in favor? I

[1:53:50] » can we uh can we uh any residents complain about chickens? Can we barter

[1:53:56] with them and say, "Hey, >> give these people eggs and maybe they'll

[1:53:59] go." >> Mr. Tunnel, I apologize. Mr. Milton,

[1:54:02] » is that a potential like, "Hey, don't complain and we'll give you eggs."

[1:54:06] » Not us. But >> and he sat over here. So that's why it

[1:54:09] just triggered. I was just You were Mr. Milk through Oh, wait a minute.

[1:54:14] » The other thing we forgot. Shoot. She needs to change the meeting minutes

[1:54:18] so it doesn't say Washington. >> We vote to adjourn.

[1:54:20] » We did. >> We did.

[1:54:31] » Good to have you back. >> Do we go to Is this the one that we went

[1:54:34] to before still? >> Yeah, but it's always the same.

[1:54:38] » I think

[1:54:43] » I'd like to see him get something different. Is this Are you sure it's the

[1:54:46] same? >> What time is this one? I didn't even see

[1:54:50] it. It is. It says 4 p.m. So, it's 5 to 8.

[1:55:02] » All right, Mr. To. >> Well, we got to call a meeting on the

[1:55:04] zoning land. >> Do you want does you guys want these?

[1:55:07] » Cuz this guy, >> he read too far.

[1:55:12] So, Becky, I totally forgot, but Mr. Washington needs to be changed to Mr.

[1:55:16] Wessle. >> Okay.

[1:55:19] » And then this is yours.

[1:55:23] » Can you get the book back? >> We got to talk that one. Put

[1:55:34] » If we want to go to this, we just emailed it to Michelle

[1:55:37] » or you. Okay.

[1:55:42] Yeah. >> And these people that are

[1:55:53] » Who's the one with chickens over by When you say Griswald Road is

[1:56:04] » Oh, so you're further down. Okay. Okay. >> In that area. Yeah.

[1:56:08] » Okay. because I know there's a couple over by.

[1:56:12] » Yeah, I was gonna say yes.

[1:56:22] » Well, it's the dude that was here earlier

[1:56:24] » and I seriously feel that I'm in Key West when I drive down

[1:56:31] and I I hate chickens. I do. It's the marijuana is the marijuana.

[1:56:44] I signed for the training. I put

[1:57:10] And you're doing still

[1:57:15] » is there not in August.

[1:57:23] That's what threw us

[1:57:32] Okay, just let me figure it out.

[1:58:32] That's how we move things along.

[1:58:40] It was going to gracise.

[1:59:12] Yes. Anyway,

[1:59:42] 15 minutes.

[1:59:51] That's what we do.

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