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[3:02] okay folks here we

[3:06] go I'd like to call to order the regular

[3:09] meeting of the Council of the

[3:10] corporation of the municipality of

[3:11] kardan at 5:00 on October 9th 2024 in

[3:15] the council chamers at the M Municipal

[3:17] Administration

[3:18] Center uh roll call this evening Deputy

[3:21] Mayor Clark pres councelor Blackwell

[3:24] present councelor Kavanaugh pres

[3:26] councelor hinchberger present councelor

[3:28] pranger present councelor off gray

[3:30] present councelor Stewart present and

[3:33] I'd like to acknowledge the uh many

[3:36] staff and guests that we have in our

[3:38] Gallery this evening uh councelor Stein

[3:41] off gray

[3:42] please thank you we would like to begin

[3:44] by acknowledging that we are meeting on

[3:46] the traditional lands and treaty

[3:47] territory of the Sago jiay nation which

[3:50] includes the Chipawa of Nash unseated

[3:53] First Nation and the chipa was of sagin

[3:55] first nation whose ancestors were the

[3:57] first to inhabit care for and live on

[3:59] this land Land We recognize and deeply

[4:01] appreciate the contributions that

[4:03] indigenous peoples have made both in

[4:05] caring for this land and shaping and

[4:06] strengthening this community our

[4:08] Province and our country as a public

[4:11] service organization we are dedicated to

[4:13] learning and acknowledging indigenous

[4:15] history and culture and are committed to

[4:17] actions that move us towards a journey

[4:18] of Truth healing and reconciliation with

[4:21] the Sagi noji Nation the matey nation of

[4:24] Ontario and the historic sagin matei

[4:30] are there any amendments additions or

[4:32] dels to or from the agenda this

[4:34] evening seeing none I'd like to remind

[4:37] counselors to disclose any pecuniary

[4:39] interest now or as it uh happens

[4:42] throughout the meeting and the general

[4:43] nature

[4:44] thereof so we need a moover and seconder

[4:47] that the minutes of the council meetings

[4:48] held on September 23 2024 and September

[4:51] 25 2024 be adopted as

[4:57] printed okay we need to move for second

[5:00] please councelor Blackwell Deputy Mayor

[5:03] Clark uh are there any uh discussion

[5:07] councelor Stewart please thank you

[5:08] through you chair um the post meeting

[5:10] minutes on September 25th section 9.1

[5:15] matters arising out a closed

[5:17] session I need help here because number

[5:21] four said the potential litigation

[5:23] matter was provided for

[5:25] information but from my understanding of

[5:28] the close session

[5:30] we actually gave some directions to

[5:32] staff but that's not captured here is

[5:34] that correct we gave directions to

[5:38] staff so I'm a little

[5:41] confused because the two other ones it

[5:43] said Direction was provided Direction

[5:45] was provided to staff I thought we gave

[5:47] some directions to staff help

[5:54] please to you um mayor to the counselor

[6:00] um on that particular item uh no there

[6:02] was no Direction provided to staff it

[6:04] was information um presented to council

[6:08] by the

[6:12] lawyer um if I I there was no Direction

[6:17] given to our staff there was a uh a

[6:20] process perhaps that was acknowledged by

[6:23] our legal counselor but you know

[6:25] specifically there was none given to our

[6:27] staff for followup so

[6:30] it could be splitting hairs but like

[6:33] specifically to our staff I don't

[6:35] believe there was any direction given it

[6:36] was more to our legal council so whether

[6:39] whether that's included to staff I don't

[6:41] I'm not sure the technicality of that

[6:42] but there was there was a process that

[6:45] was being

[6:46] undertaken routine just routine okay

[6:49] yeah that that explains it I just was a

[6:51] little bit confused because there was

[6:53] something given yep thank you any

[6:56] further discussion all in favor and

[6:59] that's

[7:00] carried matters for public participation

[7:04] we have need a move or and second or the

[7:06] council move into the committee of

[7:07] adjustment meeting and upon completion

[7:09] return to council moved by counselors

[7:11] pringer and hinchberger all in favor

[7:14] that's carried so we're now in Committee

[7:17] of adjustment I'd like to call to order

[7:19] the committee of adjustment meeting of

[7:21] the council for the corporation at uh

[7:23] 504 on October 9th uh roll call Remains

[7:27] the Same uh once again remind uh

[7:31] counselors to declare any pecuniary

[7:33] interest in the nature thereof adoption

[7:35] of minutes we need a moover in seconder

[7:37] that the minutes of the committee of

[7:38] adjustment meeting of October 14 2024 be

[7:41] adopted as printed moved by councilors

[7:44] Kavanaugh and steinhof gr any discussion

[7:47] all in favor that's

[7:50] carried all right we have a uh next on

[7:54] the agenda is a hearing for minor

[7:56] variance file number a 2024

[8:00] 012 and this is a hearing under the

[8:02] planning act so we have two minor

[8:05] variances this evening and later on in

[8:07] the open Agenda we have a uh planning

[8:11] application the uh instructions

[8:13] regarding the process of the meeting

[8:15] remain the same for each one so I'm just

[8:17] going to read it once and then remind

[8:18] you that we're going to do it again and

[8:20] again so uh this is a hearing under the

[8:23] planning act so if anyone from the

[8:25] public is interested in this application

[8:27] or wishes to receive a notice of the

[8:29] decision there is an email address

[8:32] available from our planner this evening

[8:35] Jake uh uh bfield

[8:40] bousta

[8:43] booi uh it's the email is just too weird

[8:46] to read out nobody's going to listen to

[8:47] it anyway uh so first we're going to

[8:50] receive a report from our planning staff

[8:52] and then the committee members will have

[8:53] an opportunity to ask questions and I

[8:56] will ask them to reserve their comments

[8:58] on the application you know the the

[8:59] questions you ask are technical in

[9:00] nature reserve their comments on the

[9:02] application till we've heard from the

[9:04] public then we'll hear from the public

[9:06] who are here in person virtually or of

[9:08] submitted

[9:09] correspondence uh to the above email

[9:12] that I didn't give members of the public

[9:14] are advised that the right to appeal the

[9:16] decision on this application is limited

[9:19] to specified persons and public bodies

[9:21] as defined in the planning act or the

[9:23] owner or applicant of the land subject

[9:25] to the amendment who have provided oral

[9:27] or written comments to the committee on

[9:29] on the application before the decision

[9:30] is made so if after we've heard from the

[9:33] public the committee will discuss and

[9:34] consider a recommendation on this

[9:36] application so I now declare the hearing

[9:38] open and ask the planner Jake busfield

[9:42] batito to present the

[9:46] application thank you good evening

[9:48] committee so the first proposal before

[9:51] you tonight is uh file a12 ban uh this

[9:55] is for a reduction in a rear yard

[9:57] setback from the require 7.5 M to 5.5 m

[10:03] The Proposal is for an addition at 39

[10:06] Institute uh along the bay dor Shoreline

[10:09] for a two-car garage with a second story

[10:13] addition portions of the existing

[10:15] structure are up to 2.2 M from the rear

[10:19] yard um the bulk of the addition will be

[10:21] set back around 6.8 M from the rear lot

[10:26] line except for a turret feature which

[10:29] would be 5.5 m so in considering the

[10:33] four tests of the minor variance um I

[10:36] won't detail all four of them but

[10:38] instead draw your attention to

[10:40] maintaining the purpose and intent of

[10:42] the zoning bylaw so the intent of reard

[10:45] setbacks is to maintain orderly

[10:47] development and adequate open amenity

[10:51] space uh given portions of the existing

[10:54] dwelling are 2.2 M the proposal to

[10:57] create an addition set back between

[10:59] between 5.5 and 6.8 M uh does not

[11:02] introduce a new form of development to

[11:04] the

[11:05] area on top of that amenity space is

[11:08] generally maintained um the applicant

[11:10] has uh detailed that the area for the

[11:13] proposed garage is currently used for

[11:16] open parking and would th be replaced by

[11:18] sheltered parking in the garage and that

[11:21] pushing further to meet those uh that

[11:23] 7.5 M would require greater tree

[11:27] clearing uh I want to draw the committee

[11:29] attention to um two conditions which are

[11:34] proposed outside of the typical

[11:36] conditions one and two that you see um

[11:39] so the third uh condition relating to an

[11:42] archa archaeological study um a study

[11:46] was completed in consultation with Sagi

[11:48] njib Nation um this gets into the

[11:51] technicalities of how these are

[11:52] typically approved um typically the

[11:55] report is done uh following completion

[11:58] of indigenous review and engagement the

[12:01] reports are reviewed by the appropriate

[12:03] provincial Ministry and entered into

[12:06] their registry um we're experiencing

[12:08] delays in Ministry review there and

[12:10] considered it prudent to um keep the

[12:13] file moving through the approval process

[12:16] uh um leaving this last step as a

[12:20] condition uh the fourth condition is for

[12:24] a survey to be done um to confirm the

[12:27] existing and proposed setbacks uh and

[12:29] ensure that there's no encroachment into

[12:31] the municipally owned RightWay along the

[12:34] Waterfront um finally to note that uh s

[12:38] Valley conservation Authority have

[12:39] reviewed and confirmed that their haing

[12:42] Hazard

[12:43] mapping uh will be updated and that the

[12:45] proposal is outside of any Hazard

[12:48] mapping uh with these conditions

[12:50] Incorporated and the analysis provided

[12:53] we consider the application to meet the

[12:55] four tests of the minor variance and

[12:56] recommend approval

[13:01] thank you for that Jake are there any

[13:03] questions for the planner technical

[13:05] questions from the planner regarding the

[13:07] application councelor Stewart please

[13:09] thank you through you chair I I'm G to

[13:11] highly recommend you pushed it through

[13:13] and there is some conditions and

[13:14] everything but thank you for allowing

[13:17] that to go through Speedy because I know

[13:19] there is some delays outside of our

[13:20] control and your control so well done

[13:23] thank

[13:26] you uh just one for myself this is a

[13:29] gage with uh residential uh space above

[13:34] um is that uh is there a specified plan

[13:38] for uh B&B or residential does that does

[13:42] that residential unit above affect any

[13:45] of the land use uh in that particular

[13:48] area is that a concern at

[13:50] all it's just kind of a yes or no

[13:53] question no okay thank you

[13:59] all right now we'll hear from members of

[14:00] the public uh is the applicant or agent

[14:05] present and would you like to make a

[14:08] presentation uh please state your name

[14:10] when you get to the uh microphone for a

[14:13] record please

[14:15] sir name is Dan Beeman um Jake has done

[14:19] an excellent job on it pushing it

[14:21] through

[14:22] and I don't think we're the one the one

[14:25] entrance what we're doing is the

[14:28] building already has two separate

[14:30] sections to it and by putting the one

[14:33] entrance we're joining it making it and

[14:35] making it a four bedroom house just and

[14:38] it's now basically a two-bedroom and

[14:41] it's got a a small bachelor apartment

[14:43] and we're eliminating the bachelor

[14:44] apartment and just make it one

[14:48] house thank you Mr

[14:51] ban uh is there anyone else here from

[14:53] the public who would like to speak in

[14:55] support of this application

[15:00] uh is there anyone here who would like

[15:01] to speak with questions concerns or

[15:04] objections to the application anyone

[15:07] with objections to the

[15:10] application uh Jake were there any

[15:12] written submissions that uh we should

[15:15] hear about no

[15:17] okay uh all right do any committee

[15:20] members have any final questions of the

[15:22] applicant or

[15:24] anyone uh so now I declare the hearing

[15:26] to be closed and we'll consider the

[15:28] recommendation

[15:30] uh so we need a mover in second that the

[15:33] committee of adjustment approv minor

[15:34] variance A2 20242 for Dan and Ivon ban

[15:38] at the property located at 39 Institute

[15:41] road to permit a reduction in the rear

[15:42] yard setback from 7 and a half to five

[15:45] and a half meters moved by councilors

[15:47] Clark and

[15:49] Kavanaugh uh is there any discussion all

[15:52] in favor and that's

[15:55] carried next on the agenda is a hearing

[15:58] for minor variant file number 82 2024

[16:02] 031 uh same rules uh apply for this

[16:07] hearing as the last one I declare this

[16:10] hearing open and ask the planner Jake

[16:13] bufi bsto to present the application

[16:16] please I must be saying that really bad

[16:18] if with the smile that comes on your

[16:20] face am I bfield

[16:23] btia but but it doesn't matter I'm used

[16:26] to it hi Jake welcome yeah glad to have

[16:29] you here

[16:30] tonight so the um requested variance for

[16:34] this file is a reduced rear yard setback

[16:37] um for a shed at 558 C on Terrace uh the

[16:41] typical setback uh sorry from required 6

[16:45] M to a requested 2 m the typical setback

[16:49] for an accessory structure in a

[16:51] residential area can be one meter from a

[16:54] rear yard however for this particular

[16:57] lot which is considered uh through lot

[17:00] um given that station Beach Road is

[17:02] behind

[17:03] it um there are specific Provisions

[17:05] which require accessory structures in

[17:08] the rear yard to be subject to front

[17:10] yard setback which in this case is six

[17:12] meters so again um I'll draw your

[17:15] attention to the intent maintaining the

[17:17] intent of the zoning bylaw uh the

[17:20] provision related specific provision

[17:23] related to through Lots so these

[17:25] Provisions help to manage uh streetscape

[17:28] impacts to streets or lanes that would

[17:31] be Abed by a rear yard the street in

[17:34] question station Beach Road is not

[17:36] actually situated within that R of way

[17:39] um rather it's within a municipally

[17:42] owned piece of land along the

[17:44] beach uh so effectively station Beach

[17:47] Road is buffered from development at the

[17:49] rear of the property by the 20 meter

[17:51] Road allowance uh which is maintained in

[17:54] a vegetated semi-natural state uh the

[17:58] proposed shed wouldn't physically

[18:00] encroach in the allowance and would not

[18:02] limit any future potential uses of that

[18:04] road

[18:05] allowance um the site is constrained by

[18:08] the large Bluff feature bisecting it um

[18:11] permitting this reduced rear yard

[18:13] setback would allow for the proposal to

[18:16] situate a shed uh and a pool in the

[18:19] future beyond the toe of the slope and

[18:21] outside the Environmental Protection

[18:23] Zone um which sagin Valley conservation

[18:27] Authority has reviewed and supports the

[18:30] request

[18:31] um given the above we consider the

[18:34] proposal to meet the four tests of the

[18:36] minor variance and recommend

[18:41] approval thank you uh any technical

[18:45] questions for the

[18:46] planner councelor Blackwell please uh

[18:50] thank you through you um one of the

[18:52] comments is specifically about it being

[18:54] buffered from the station Beach Road

[18:56] with that road allowance when we did

[18:58] some of our Waterfront Master plans

[18:59] there was some discussion about

[19:01] potentially in the future of how that

[19:03] might be um organized a bit differently

[19:07] if we needed to open up um that

[19:09] currently vegetated Road allowance would

[19:11] you still recommend this if that was to

[19:14] be a

[19:16] road sure uh through you

[19:20] um if it were opened up as a road um of

[19:24] course this structure would be situated

[19:27] closer than the zoning bi law permits as

[19:29] of right um two things I would note

[19:32] there um are there are quite a few

[19:36] properties most along this stretch um do

[19:39] use that rear amenity space um I I

[19:43] believe some even do encroach into the

[19:45] road allowance um so this this proposal

[19:48] wouldn't physically limit any use of

[19:51] that um space the considering the

[19:53] streetcape impacts uh would of course be

[19:56] a consideration but it would be um a

[19:58] broad exercise along that stretch um

[20:02] second thing to note um which I'm sure

[20:04] you know is of course that it's um very

[20:06] well vegetated now so um that would

[20:09] obviously be weighing into that

[20:15] decision one of the comments you made

[20:17] was that the pool would be put in in the

[20:20] future is there

[20:21] a I'm wondering about what future means

[20:26] and uh is this minor variance for the

[20:29] shed or is it for a pool

[20:36] sometime right um through you the the

[20:39] minor variance specifically is for the

[20:41] shed the applicant has stated that they

[20:44] don't have a specific plan to install

[20:47] the pool immediately um uh but given the

[20:51] constraint of that the toe of the slope

[20:55] um if the shed were situated to meet

[20:57] those setbacks

[20:59] they would be limited in any possibility

[21:01] to install that pool um so to the letter

[21:05] the shed the minor variance is for the

[21:08] shed structure it creates the ability

[21:11] for the applicant to build the pool in

[21:13] the

[21:16] future further

[21:19] questions is the applicant or agent

[21:22] present this evening would they like to

[21:24] make comment apparently not here okay uh

[21:28] anyone here from the public to speak in

[21:30] support of this

[21:33] application anyone here like to speak in

[21:36] opposition to this

[21:39] application uh any other written

[21:41] submissions we need to hear

[21:43] about no okay all right do any committee

[21:47] members have any final questions before

[21:49] we close the hearing and discuss the

[21:51] application nope okay so I now declare

[21:54] the hearing

[21:55] closed so I need a moover in second or

[21:58] that the Committee of adjustment

[21:59] approved minor variance a 202 2431 for

[22:02] Alex Osman at the property located at

[22:04] 558 here in terce to permit a reduction

[22:06] in the rear yard setback from six meters

[22:09] to two meters moved by counselors

[22:11] hinchberger and Blackwell all in favor

[22:15] and that's

[22:16] carried uh and a move mover and seconder

[22:19] that we adjourn at uh

[22:22] 519 uh counselor Blackwell and steinhof

[22:26] gray all in favor that's carried we are

[22:28] now back in uh open Council

[22:34] session wow we get to have a public

[22:38] meeting uh next on the agenda is the

[22:41] public meeting for zoning Amendment file

[22:42] number Z 2024 z51 and the same uh

[22:47] guidelines uh under the planning act are

[22:49] in effect for this meeting as were for

[22:51] the two minor variance meetings so I

[22:54] declare the public meeting open and ask

[22:56] the planner to present the application

[23:03] okay thank you the proposal before you

[23:04] tonight is for the rezoning required to

[23:07] facilitate uh Surplus Farm dwelling

[23:10] Severance at 728

[23:12] Northline uh the severance which would

[23:15] be considered by the county at a later

[23:17] date is for roughly 66 hectare parcel

[23:22] containing an existing

[23:24] dwelling uh which would leave a roughly

[23:27] 81 hectare Farm parcel the required

[23:30] resoning is to prohibit residential uses

[23:34] on the retained Farm parcel and apply

[23:37] holding for the lands with high

[23:38] archaeological

[23:40] potential uh on both severed and

[23:42] retained

[23:43] Parcels The Proposal um is consistent

[23:47] with the agricultural policies for

[23:49] Surplus Farm dwelling severances in both

[23:52] the provincial policy statement and

[23:53] Bruce County official plan and as such

[23:56] we recommend approval

[24:00] thank you are there any technical

[24:02] questions for our planner this evening

[24:04] councelor Stuart please thank you and

[24:06] through you chair um good

[24:08] presentation why don't we do the

[24:10] severance at the same

[24:12] time you know because they're going to

[24:14] be back in no time to do a seance

[24:16] couldn't we do both of them together or

[24:18] is just not

[24:22] allowed uh through you chair um the the

[24:26] severance is approved at the by the

[24:30] county um and we have uh delegated staff

[24:35] approval to to do those severances if um

[24:38] there are no issues raised so this this

[24:41] doesn't go to County Council for a

[24:43] separate decision um we will while the

[24:46] appeal should should it be approved the

[24:48] sorry should the zoning be approved

[24:50] tonight by Council um while the appeal

[24:52] period is happening uh I'll prepare the

[24:54] report and send it um to Monica uh for

[24:58] her review and

[25:02] um the yeah the approval can happen um

[25:06] shortly after this so they they don't

[25:08] need to come back and submit an

[25:10] application that's yeah okay yeah

[25:13] councelor Stuart uh County counselors

[25:15] only get the applications that

[25:16] somebody's raised in ad joke into like

[25:19] they don't want to give us anything

[25:20] simple it's always the com complicated

[25:22] things to to deal

[25:25] with uh any further questions for the

[25:29] planner uh is the agent or applicant

[25:31] here would you like to speak to the

[25:34] application you all right okay thank

[25:39] you pardon

[25:42] me uh yeah the applicant is uh Blair

[25:47] Scott and and he is here present uh is

[25:51] there anyone here who would like to

[25:52] speak in support of this

[25:55] application anyone here who'd like to

[25:57] speak in on opposition to this uh

[26:03] application uh Council once again any

[26:05] further questions before we get to uh uh

[26:09] close the public meeting and discuss the

[26:11] application okay so and I declar the

[26:14] public meeting to be

[26:15] closed and we need a mover and seconder

[26:18] the council approves zoning bylaw

[26:20] Amendment application Zed 2024 051 for

[26:23] Bruce Lee Poultry Farm limited care

[26:25] Blair Scott at 728 North Line and the

[26:28] necessary bylaw be forwarded to council

[26:31] for adoption moved by councilors

[26:32] hinchberger and Clark Deputy Mayor Clark

[26:36] uh any further discussion all in favor

[26:40] and that's

[26:42] carried all right to move on to

[26:44] delegations and presentations I'd like

[26:46] to welcome uh Monica Walker Bolton land

[26:50] use planning manager and Jack Van Dorp

[26:53] director of Planning and Development who

[26:54] will provide an update on the new Bruce

[26:56] County official plan and I realize this

[26:59] is uh in delegations and presentations

[27:03] but we're we're going to be heavy on the

[27:05] presentation uh so that you're not

[27:07] limited to precisely five minutes for

[27:10] the for the presentation okay thank you

[27:13] so much for that uh we're going to need

[27:15] about 20 minutes if that's all right

[27:17] with

[27:18] Council thank you very much uh mayor

[27:21] Craig for the introduction and uh thank

[27:23] you to King Carden Council for having us

[27:26] it's my pleasure to present to you today

[27:27] the draft of the new Bruce County

[27:29] official plan this draft has been a long

[27:32] time coming and represents significant

[27:34] effort from planning staff from the

[27:36] beginning we have worked with the

[27:37] Consulting team at wsp and along the way

[27:40] we have worked with Consultants like

[27:41] Watson and Associates dbh soil services

[27:44] and nor South environmental Inc today we

[27:47] want to provide a highlevel overview of

[27:49] the plan and receive

[27:51] questions the official plan needs to be

[27:53] consistent with provincial policies and

[27:55] directions including the new provincial

[27:57] planning statement which was released at

[27:59] the end of August and will come into

[28:00] force on October

[28:02] 20th it also needs to reflect the Bruce

[28:05] County context and we will talk about

[28:07] the PPS a little bit later to understand

[28:09] the Bruce County context we compared the

[28:12] we completed the Bruce GPS project that

[28:15] occurred in 2018 through 2019 and it was

[28:19] an extensive public engagement that led

[28:21] to eight guiding principles that are

[28:23] found in the draft new official plan

[28:25] discussion papers were prepared for each

[28:27] of the guiding principles from 20199 to

[28:30] 2022 and those included potential policy

[28:35] directions some of these directions were

[28:37] already addressed through a number of

[28:38] amendments made to the existing plan and

[28:41] others were left to the new plan these

[28:44] potential policy directions were largely

[28:46] incorporated into the new official plan

[28:48] and in a few cases where they were not

[28:50] specifically addressed it was due to

[28:52] conf conflict with provincial direction

[28:54] or we felt it was better addressed

[28:55] through other planning tools like in

[28:57] local official plan or strategy

[28:58] documents and the slide that I have up

[29:01] up now um provides a summary of all of

[29:05] the um well a high level summary of what

[29:07] was included through the Bruce GPS and

[29:09] what was included in and what was not

[29:12] included but moving

[29:15] on um much of the work in preparing the

[29:18] plan was completed through various

[29:19] amendments to the existing County

[29:21] official plan including additional

[29:24] residential units

[29:25] policies agricultural policies

[29:28] a housekeeping Amendment the growth

[29:31] management and servicing policies which

[29:33] was another Standalone Amendment and the

[29:36] implementation policy

[29:38] Amendment other policies from the plan

[29:41] the existing plan continue to remain

[29:44] relevant and appropriate and are also

[29:46] included in this uh new draft official

[29:48] plan to make it easier to follow uh

[29:51] what's changed and to understand the

[29:54] difference between the current policies

[29:55] and the proposed new policies we have

[29:58] highlighted policies that are unchanged

[30:00] or only modified slightly from the

[30:02] currently approved plan policies by

[30:04] coloring them gray in the draft and

[30:06] marking them up as indicated on this

[30:08] slide white text in the background is a

[30:11] new or more substantially modified from

[30:13] the current

[30:15] plan in terms of structure the proposed

[30:18] plan consists of six parts which are

[30:20] outlined on this Slide the first five

[30:22] parts lay out the vision growth forecast

[30:25] countywide policies policies for

[30:27] designation

[30:28] and then implementation policies site

[30:31] specific policy amendments that need to

[30:33] be carried forward will be gathered

[30:34] together in part six uh which staff are

[30:36] still

[30:40] compiling as I promised earlier here

[30:42] here we'll introduce the new provincial

[30:44] planning

[30:46] statement the new provincial planning

[30:48] statement directs that for growth

[30:50] planning and specifically population

[30:52] projections we are to follow the

[30:53] Ministry of Finance

[30:55] forecasts this is already a standard

[30:57] practice and what was used in

[30:59] formulating the new draft Bruce County

[31:01] official plan the province approved the

[31:04] countywide growth

[31:06] forecast in um August the province

[31:10] regularly Issues new forecasts and we

[31:12] will monitor growth relative to these

[31:14] forecasts the plan Horizon to

[31:17] 2046 lines up with the duration of the

[31:20] current

[31:21] forecast one function of growth forecast

[31:23] is to plan for land budgeting as in is

[31:26] there enough land in the regional Markin

[31:28] market area to support growth over the

[31:30] plan Horizon focusing on a regional

[31:33] market area presented some challenges in

[31:35] Bruce County in terms of focusing on the

[31:38] whole County as the market area and then

[31:41] having to review changes relative to

[31:43] that countywide land Supply we provided

[31:46] comments to The Province on this when

[31:47] the PPS was under review now the new

[31:50] provincial planning statement has remove

[31:52] requirements for comprehensive reviews

[31:54] this solves that uh countywide issue but

[31:59] also opens up our communities to risks

[32:02] that proponents can apply to expand

[32:04] Municipal boundaries uh settlement area

[32:07] boundaries whenever they have land and

[32:10] if they appeal they can appeal a refusal

[32:13] to approve a municipal uh settlement

[32:16] area boundary expansion which could

[32:18] impact our ability to shape communities

[32:20] so to address this we have included

[32:23] proposed policies in the draft new Bruce

[32:25] County official plan that provide

[32:26] Direction and CR IIA for boundary

[32:28] expansions and this will help ensure

[32:30] that municipalities are able to direct

[32:32] where and how they will grow for the

[32:34] benefit of the whole

[32:38] Community through this plan we have been

[32:41] working to structure policies wherever

[32:42] possible to point to provincial

[32:44] Direction without duplicating the

[32:46] direction this is an effort to reduce

[32:48] the need to amend the plan if provincial

[32:50] Direction changes we could yet take an

[32:52] opportunity to point more directly to

[32:54] collaboration with school boards in the

[32:56] new plan as is highlighted in this slide

[32:58] the new draft plan also Maps natural

[33:01] heritage and Water Resource systems this

[33:03] system approach for the new Bruce County

[33:05] official plan reflect reflects direction

[33:08] that was established in the 2014 PPS and

[33:11] is carried forward in the 2020 and now

[33:13] the 2024 PPS and we'll talk a little bit

[33:16] more about the natural heritage and

[33:18] Water Resource systems uh in a

[33:20] moment we will now take you on a guided

[33:23] tour of the official plan and um staff

[33:27] have been gracious and enough to allow

[33:28] uh Jack to navigate some um some

[33:33] interpretation tools that we have

[33:34] available on the plan the Bruce website

[33:37] so the mapping that we have up here is

[33:40] um is an interactive tool that's

[33:42] available for the public to be able to

[33:44] compare the current schedules in the

[33:47] Bruce County official plan with the

[33:49] proposed draft so this first slide that

[33:51] we're looking at is for schedule a it

[33:53] has the same general content as the

[33:55] current schedule a agriculture areas are

[33:58] now defined by property boundary as

[34:01] opposed to previously following um a

[34:04] soils mapping and so what that resulted

[34:07] in is is in the past some Lots would

[34:09] have a mixture of some primeag and some

[34:11] Rural and that made it difficult to

[34:14] apply policies the agriculture Maps were

[34:17] prepared based on a land evaluation area

[34:20] review analysis that was completed by

[34:22] the province in that provincial review

[34:25] The First Cut had three components um uh

[34:28] recommended Prime agricultural land

[34:31] nonprime and potential Prime planning

[34:34] staff took that output from The Province

[34:37] and with wsp and dbh soil Services we

[34:41] reviewed and refined that output from

[34:43] the provincial year to create the two

[34:45] designations proposed in the draft new

[34:47] official plan Agricultural and Rural we

[34:50] then did a check-in with local Municipal

[34:52] staff and to derive the proposed

[34:55] schedules the plan text re recognizes

[34:58] the agriculture system as an important

[35:00] economic contributor to the County's

[35:03] Prosperity agricultural areas will be

[35:05] allow two additional residential units

[35:07] to align with a new provincial planning

[35:09] statement this is an increase up um from

[35:12] only one permitted in the current plan

[35:14] this means that the policies for

[35:15] agriculture and Rural lands will be the

[35:17] same when it comes to additional

[35:19] residential units we've updated open

[35:22] space lands to include land trust and

[35:24] NGO lands that are eligible for

[35:26] provincial conservation land tax

[35:29] incentives we've Incorporated the best

[35:31] available Hazard land information from

[35:33] conservation authorities and we've

[35:35] merged Shoreline Inland Lake and Travel

[35:38] Trailer Park and Campground into one new

[35:44] designation schedule B is a

[35:47] transportation map that shows all of the

[35:50] uh County highways local roads

[35:53] provincial highways it's the same

[35:55] general content as the current schedule

[35:57] be transport

[36:00] um I just received a note that we might

[36:02] have um the slides flipped that North

[36:06] might not be pointing

[36:08] up

[36:10] um Schedule C constraints is the next U

[36:13] map that I wanted to take us through

[36:15] natural heritage constraints um have

[36:18] been removed from this map and now

[36:20] appear on Schedule E other than that the

[36:23] same um General approach is taken to the

[36:25] constraints map it shows features that

[36:28] might constrain development such as

[36:30] known gravel deposits landfills and

[36:33] other uh features that development needs

[36:35] to stay away from Schedule D is the

[36:38] source water protection mapping the

[36:41] viewer that we have available shows the

[36:43] data that will be in the plan as a

[36:45] series of maps as they exist in the

[36:47] source protection plans this way they

[36:49] can be easily updated in the county

[36:51] official plan when there is a change to

[36:53] the source protection plan without

[36:55] having to go through a formal amendment

[36:57] to the county official plan Schedule E

[37:00] is the natural heritage system mapping

[37:03] the current viewer includes the areas of

[37:06] natural and scientific interests and

[37:08] provincially significant Wetlands that

[37:10] are currently within Schedule C of the

[37:12] plan and um the proposed mapping has uh

[37:17] quite extensive natural environment

[37:19] features the county has a tremendous

[37:22] natural Legacy that includes the hon

[37:24] Fringe which is an important migratory

[37:26] bird pathway along the Lake here on

[37:28] Shore and is home to the grck swamp the

[37:30] largest forested wetland in Southern

[37:32] Ontario the plan Builds on the legacy of

[37:35] conserving natural herit natural

[37:37] heritage features for current and future

[37:40] generations to appreciate that has been

[37:42] already established in the current Bruce

[37:44] County official plan we should note that

[37:47] the current County plan predates

[37:49] provincial Direction established in the

[37:51] 2014 PPS that requires an identification

[37:54] of the natural heritage system in

[37:57] including features and areas and

[38:00] linkages that are intended to provide

[38:02] connectivity and support National

[38:04] processes so although the way the

[38:06] natural features are now Illustrated in

[38:08] the new draft County official plan might

[38:10] feel new this is implementing provincial

[38:12] direction that has been a standard

[38:14] Ontario wide for over a decade the plan

[38:17] has also adopted distinct approaches for

[38:19] Northern Bruce County and Southern Bruce

[38:21] County for Northern Bruce County based

[38:23] on the relative abundance of natural

[38:25] heritage features the focus is

[38:27] identifying and protecting the largest

[38:30] areas of intact habitat which are known

[38:32] as core areas for southern Bruce County

[38:35] the core area approach is not used but

[38:37] instead focus on maintaining key

[38:39] features and the system of relatively

[38:41] smaller forests and then the linkages

[38:44] like river valleys that connect nature

[38:46] in an interconnected system on the

[38:49] landscape we have included an annotated

[38:51] legend in the PDF schedules that

[38:54] describes criteria for development

[38:56] within the natural hair Heritage system

[38:58] and adjacent lands and when you're using

[39:00] the viewer you can click on a feature

[39:02] and the development criteria will will

[39:04] pop

[39:05] up high level policy direction for the

[39:08] features is available in the interactive

[39:11] version within the policy we have sought

[39:13] to be generally aligned with the

[39:15] provincial planning statement there are

[39:17] areas where have we we have gone beyond

[39:19] the provincial planning statement for

[39:20] example extending Pro protection for

[39:23] more Wetlands than just those that are

[39:25] identified as provincially significant

[39:28] provincial Direction already requires

[39:30] that we protect and prohibit development

[39:32] within provincially significant Wetlands

[39:35] the county plan also includes larger

[39:37] unevaluated wetlands in this protection

[39:40] such that the policy would not permit

[39:41] development in the fature and

[39:43] development adjacent to this feature uh

[39:46] would have to demonstrate no negative

[39:48] impact in these features existing

[39:50] agricultural uses are allowed to

[39:53] continue another new direction that we

[39:55] know is of interest um we had a lot of

[39:57] questions at the open houses that we

[39:59] hosted last week is the approach the

[40:01] systems based approach to the natural

[40:05] environment system and how linkages are

[40:07] a part of this linkages illustrate the

[40:11] interconnected nature of the natural

[40:12] environment features on the landscape

[40:15] within linkages the policy would be that

[40:18] existing uses can continue and the

[40:20] linkage functions should be maintained

[40:22] so when you're reviewing the natural

[40:23] environment map and uh Jack is

[40:25] highlighting them now there are local

[40:27] level um linkages which are noted in in

[40:31] purple and then there's county level

[40:33] linkages that are noted in the broader

[40:35] yellow

[40:36] band a linkage that crosses a farm field

[40:39] between two Forest patches does not

[40:41] require the farmer to make any change to

[40:43] their farming practice if there were a

[40:46] major change like a gravel pit proposal

[40:48] for example then enhancement of the link

[40:51] linkage function could be required again

[40:55] there is no impact to existing uses the

[40:57] linkages identify how nature moves

[41:00] across the landscape and existing Farm

[41:02] Fields roads and even existing buildings

[41:04] are part of that existing

[41:07] condition not all of the natural

[41:09] heritage features could be mapped Valley

[41:11] lands are not mapped however development

[41:14] pressures are generally not seen in

[41:16] these areas due to Natural Hazard

[41:19] constraints significant wildlife habitat

[41:22] and habitats of threatened species and

[41:24] endangered species are subject to change

[41:27] as species are added or removed from the

[41:29] list and provincial or federal law

[41:31] applies to these endangered and

[41:33] threatened species habitats regardless

[41:35] of what we have in the Bruce County

[41:36] official plan these habitats can include

[41:39] things like vernal pools which are

[41:41] Springtime pool pools that are temporary

[41:43] where amphibians breed uh or another

[41:46] example would be Bank barns where Barnes

[41:48] swallows nest it would be impractical to

[41:51] attempt to map all of these um

[41:53] significant features in the county

[41:55] official plan we did aim to identify

[41:58] features and areas that include many

[42:01] many significant wildlife habitats such

[42:03] as the core areas that I mentioned

[42:05] earlier

[42:06] and habitats for that would be suitable

[42:09] for endangered and threatened species

[42:11] also occur

[42:12] here we have shown natural heritage

[42:15] systems conceptually within settlement

[42:18] areas where a local official plan adopts

[42:21] different mapping in their settlement

[42:23] area than the county official plan the

[42:25] intent would be to incorporate the local

[42:27] mapping into the county plan we have

[42:30] shown that there is continuity of

[42:32] natural features between the county and

[42:33] S Saga jibway nation chipa was of nawash

[42:37] unseated First Nations the national

[42:39] parks and the Bruce Power site however

[42:41] the plan does not assert any

[42:42] jurisdiction in these areas moving on to

[42:45] schedule F which is the Water Resource

[42:48] system the provincial planning statement

[42:50] requires that we identify a Water

[42:52] Resource system this includes surface

[42:55] water features and ground water

[42:58] features one area that is new is the

[43:01] mapping of significant groundwater

[43:02] recharge areas concard has some of these

[43:05] areas although the extent of these areas

[43:08] is not as great as several other

[43:09] municipalities in Bruce County some

[43:12] reviewers of our plan have questioned

[43:14] how these areas will be regulated the

[43:16] development criteria here is to maintain

[43:19] recharge function by avoiding or

[43:22] mitigating intensive development and

[43:24] large impervious areas so the criteria

[43:27] apply to intensive development and large

[43:29] impervious areas like a large shopping

[43:31] center of parking lot for example for

[43:34] development at this scale minimum

[43:35] landscaped open space requirements and

[43:37] good storm water management could be

[43:39] used to address this requirement the

[43:41] policies in the draft plan do not

[43:43] address manure spreading which is

[43:44] regulated under the nutrient management

[43:46] act we appreciate there may be some

[43:48] concerns about the level of detail at

[43:50] which these maps are produced relative

[43:52] to the scale and Water Resource needs of

[43:53] settlement areas and we will examine

[43:55] this in further detail as we go through

[43:57] the engagement process so now I've

[44:00] concluded uh the tour of the schedules

[44:03] to the official plan and I wanted to

[44:05] move on to um cover our requests for

[44:11] boundary adjustments we have received

[44:13] various boundary adjustment requests as

[44:15] part of this process some from

[44:17] municipalities some from land owners and

[44:20] some have been identified as

[44:21] possibilities by staff we have bundled

[44:24] these requests into a package that's

[44:25] attached to your agenda

[44:28] um we are not yet providing a

[44:30] recommendation yes no or indifferent on

[44:33] the proposed boundary expansions what

[44:36] we're doing right now is collecting

[44:38] input from the public and municipalities

[44:41] on what their wishes are for the pro for

[44:44] the recommend not recommended requested

[44:46] boundary expansions we anticipate that

[44:49] through the public engagement process

[44:51] that is going on right now we might

[44:53] receive some additional requests um

[44:56] during this this phase we will consult

[44:58] with the associated local municipalities

[45:00] that have requests in their areas review

[45:03] and assess the request based on a set of

[45:06] criteria that's outlined in the draft

[45:08] new official plan and at the conclusion

[45:10] of the public engagement process we will

[45:12] be in a position to make a

[45:13] recommendation on the requests that are

[45:15] noted here um and others that may emerge

[45:17] through the engagement

[45:20] process uh the next uh slide in our

[45:24] presentation is uh some highlights

[45:27] from the official plan text so the bulk

[45:31] of our review of the official plan was

[45:33] based on a tour of the mapping schedules

[45:36] and Maps do tell a really good story

[45:38] about what's proposed for the new

[45:40] official plan but some things from the

[45:42] text that maybe didn't come across in

[45:45] the um tour of the schedules Bruce

[45:49] County Council recently endorsed an

[45:51] indigenous reconciliation framework and

[45:53] sing and a schnek Reconciliation pathway

[45:56] and action plan Plan Building on this

[45:59] the draft plan centers Bruce County

[46:00] within the son traditional territory and

[46:03] builds on the work of the implementation

[46:05] amendment to update indigenous

[46:07] consultation policies to highlight areas

[46:09] of crit critical interest to sa

[46:12] including environmental impacts and

[46:14] especially Shoreline hardening as having

[46:16] potential to impact son interests in

[46:18] fish and water um water and fish

[46:22] habitat the draft plan has a strong

[46:24] housing focus and maintains minimum

[46:27] density requirements supports a range

[46:29] and mix of housing supports as of right

[46:32] additional dwelling units where possible

[46:34] and identifies affordability targets the

[46:37] plan also recognizes that the housing

[46:39] action plan and housing and homelessness

[46:41] plans provide higher levels of detail to

[46:44] support action to increase housing

[46:46] Supply the draft plan incorporates the

[46:49] growth management Amendment which has

[46:51] now been approved by the province and

[46:53] encourage appropriate encourages

[46:55] appropriate intensification to make good

[46:57] use of existing infrastructure in

[47:00] settlement

[47:01] areas the plan recognizes agriculture

[47:05] tourism and energy as strategic economic

[47:08] drivers and also supports the

[47:10] diversification of the economic base

[47:12] supports the master Transportation plan

[47:14] and envisions complete communities in a

[47:16] thriving region with easy access to

[47:19] housing jobs Recreation and

[47:23] services just going to make a few

[47:25] remarks about the relationship between

[47:26] the County plan and local plans the plan

[47:29] recognizes a role as an upper tier plan

[47:32] the county plan but it is also the plan

[47:36] for local municipalities because in

[47:38] seven out of eight of our local

[47:40] municipalities it functions as the plan

[47:43] in effect in the

[47:44] countryside um those plans uh only focus

[47:48] on the settlement area so there's a need

[47:49] to provide planning direction for the

[47:52] countryside the plan is trying to get

[47:54] out of the business of requiring

[47:56] frequent amendments right now the

[47:58] current County official plan has well

[48:00] over 300

[48:02] amendments for example uh one of the

[48:05] ways we're getting away from frequent

[48:06] amendments is a county official plan

[48:08] amendment is would no longer be required

[48:11] to create a quarry or Gravel Pit in a

[48:13] designated mineral resource area this

[48:16] would still require a zoning bylaw

[48:17] Amendment which is a local approval and

[48:19] of of course the mnrf license the county

[48:23] plan provides criteria where that the

[48:25] local Council can use in reviewing the

[48:27] zone change this approach is more

[48:30] streamlined than requiring both a county

[48:31] official plan Amendment and a local zone

[48:34] change right now we have a county plan

[48:36] and eight local plans County official

[48:39] plan local plans all include plenty of

[48:41] detailed in various areas what we're

[48:44] aiming to do as a planning service is

[48:46] streamline these documents to say things

[48:48] once and say them well given that the

[48:51] plan must provide detailed policies for

[48:53] areas where local plans do not apply our

[48:56] approach is to set up and give the

[48:59] opportunity for local official plans to

[49:01] have several options they could either

[49:03] refer to the policies of the county

[49:05] official plan rather than restate them

[49:08] or they could restate them and have a

[49:10] policy that permits an updating of that

[49:12] restated policy when the county plan has

[49:15] to change for some reason for example to

[49:17] line up with provincial direction or

[49:20] local plans can provide their own

[49:22] policies provided that they do not

[49:24] conflict with the county plan this

[49:27] approach represents an opportunity going

[49:29] forward for the collective bulk of our

[49:31] planning documents to be reduced to make

[49:34] work we do in planning more efficient

[49:36] and focus on providing local contexts

[49:38] where it makes

[49:42] sense I wanted to um take a few moments

[49:45] to talk about an issue that we've been

[49:47] uh working on drinking water protection

[49:50] relative to permitting development on

[49:53] private or um partial septic systems the

[49:58] policy changes we have proposed for the

[50:00] draft new official plan stem for our

[50:02] effort to manage tensions between

[50:03] development and groundwater protection

[50:06] that exists due to regulatory gaps

[50:08] between the planning function and the

[50:09] building code function in consultation

[50:12] with Chief Building officials countywide

[50:15] we have broadly identified some areas

[50:17] where the official plan could provide

[50:19] appropriate flexibility for promoting

[50:21] new development like additional

[50:23] residential units even when development

[50:25] is happening on private septic systems

[50:28] County staff have engaged with officials

[50:30] from The Province to understand the

[50:32] ministry's expectation around the

[50:34] interaction of these two policy areas

[50:37] specifically how the building code

[50:38] official plans and other legislation are

[50:41] intended to interact to protect

[50:43] groundwater and support Health at this

[50:45] time we're at a point where the ministry

[50:48] has acknowledged that they understand

[50:49] these issues and are committed to

[50:51] providing a

[50:53] response we are now at the engagement

[50:55] phase of our County official plan

[50:58] project and the slide up here just shows

[51:00] sort of um some of the immediate

[51:02] timelines that we're within

[51:05] um we have um just completed a week of

[51:09] four open houses online engagement

[51:11] opportunities continue on the plan the

[51:13] Bruce website hard copies of the draft

[51:16] new official plan and schedules are

[51:18] available in the reference section at

[51:19] local libraries and at our County

[51:21] Planning

[51:22] hubs we are looking for feedback to

[51:25] support a return to Council in early

[51:28] November on the boundary adjustments and

[51:31] engagement themes um that may result in

[51:34] in tweaks and changes to the plan before

[51:37] we get to council County council's

[51:39] direction to proceed to a statutory

[51:41] openhouse and public

[51:42] meeting um if there are significant

[51:46] changes required to um based on the

[51:49] feedback that we've been receiving then

[51:51] the timeline that I just had up will may

[51:53] need to change um this concludes my

[51:55] presentation

[51:57] and uh we are happy to receive questions

[51:59] from

[52:01] Council thank you Monica thank you Jack

[52:04] you were well spoken tonight as well

[52:06] good for you uh any questions from uh

[52:09] Council regarding the report uh

[52:11] councelor T off gr please thank you

[52:14] through you chair um I just have one

[52:16] question I was watching the maps where

[52:17] you're showing the differences between

[52:19] our current state and the draft and it

[52:22] seemed like we were trying to do a

[52:23] better job of defining those Heritage

[52:25] resources um like water significant

[52:28] areas where one of the things I've

[52:31] noticed since coming to council is a lot

[52:33] of times we'll approve things but many

[52:36] years go by and we haven't done anything

[52:37] with them so if any of those approvals

[52:40] that have gone through are contradictory

[52:42] to what we're doing now in the official

[52:43] plan would there be any retroactive

[52:46] activities to try to bridge up that

[52:50] zoning interesting thought so um through

[52:53] you Mr Mayor um I'm thinking that the

[52:56] that the premise of the question is is

[52:58] that there may have been an a county

[53:00] official plan Amendment and right now

[53:02] myself and staff are going through all

[53:04] the previous County official plan

[53:06] amendments and and determining whether

[53:08] they need to stay in the new draft

[53:09] because 300 or so amendments do

[53:12] definitely bulk up the plan and we want

[53:14] to keep it nice and streamlined um so

[53:17] one of the it's interesting that you

[53:19] note it that way because I've been kind

[53:21] of looking at it on the other side of

[53:22] the same coin is if there's a

[53:24] development if there was somebody that

[53:26] applied for a county official plan

[53:27] Amendment and went through that process

[53:30] to get an approval and the development

[53:32] that they had um hadn't gone forward I

[53:35] was taking more of a conservative

[53:37] approach in my recommendation that those

[53:40] changes might need to stay in the new

[53:42] official plan but I like your

[53:44] perspective um that they should also

[53:48] those um those few that are proposed to

[53:51] carry forward should also be looked at

[53:54] through a lens of do they do they

[53:56] continue to be consistent with the

[53:58] proposed policies of the new um draft

[54:01] official plan so I appreciate the

[54:04] question because it's making me think of

[54:05] a planning issue in a different way and

[54:08] um I would say that the good news is is

[54:11] that um so far we're only finding um a

[54:14] handful of of amendments that would fall

[54:17] into that category where the development

[54:18] didn't go forward and now that you've um

[54:22] given me that idea I think that it would

[54:24] be feasible to look at them through that

[54:27] lens and the approach that I would

[54:29] probably take to that would be to work

[54:31] with the senior planners for the um

[54:34] effected jurisdiction so Peninsula Hub

[54:36] planners or Lakeshore planners um and

[54:40] and ask them to work with me to evaluate

[54:43] that

[54:44] question thank you that's a great

[54:48] response Kavanagh please thank you very

[54:51] much and and through the chair thank you

[54:52] for your presentation uh I have a

[54:54] question about the population project

[54:56] you said that they were approved by the

[54:58] province U my question is um do these

[55:01] plans include consideration for the Mega

[55:02] projects that are possibly coming

[55:04] forward like Bruce C and King Carden or

[55:06] uh the dgr in in South

[55:09] Bruce thank you for the question uh so

[55:12] the forecast that was prepared I just

[55:14] did a lot more work on that so I was

[55:16] really eager to jump in um the forecasts

[55:18] that have been prepared do not include

[55:20] those projects uh for which no decision

[55:22] has been made uh so these forecasts are

[55:25] set up up assuming um a set based on a

[55:29] set of assumptions on what we know to be

[55:32] the condition in the event of the

[55:34] approval of one or both of those

[55:36] projects there would be a need to reopen

[55:39] or reexamine the growth forecasts for

[55:41] the area and and we understand that

[55:43] municipalities are working to try to

[55:46] understand how those impacts might um or

[55:49] how those projects might impact growth

[55:51] forecasts and and that there might be a

[55:53] presentation later on today's agenda in

[55:55] that respect

[55:59] thank you very much and and just as a

[56:01] followup is that an intensive process to

[56:03] get that population projection

[56:04] reexamined or is it a fairly

[56:06] straightforward process that would

[56:08] happen hand inand with one or both of

[56:10] the projects going

[56:12] ahead Our Hope would be that there would

[56:14] be a high level of coordination around

[56:17] the um forecasting uh associated with

[56:21] the growth um that could occur in in the

[56:23] context of those projects thank you very

[56:25] much councelor Stewart please thank you

[56:28] through you chair this might take a

[56:29] little while um I'm actually a counselor

[56:32] in W to and that has a huge impact on

[56:36] the maps and and what you're doing here

[56:37] is fabulous I mean it really is I mean

[56:40] it's taken a long time but I think

[56:41] you're getting there um just a couple of

[56:44] concerns I'm not going to take a lot of

[56:45] time I know that Jack and I have a

[56:47] separate meeting and everything a couple

[56:49] of weeks away but uh I just want to

[56:51] mention a couple of things um I I'm very

[56:54] busy this week and with turkey and

[56:56] people coming to visit me because uh as

[56:59] you might not be aware War II has a lot

[57:01] of seasonal

[57:02] residentials and sometimes they feel

[57:04] that we do planning without them but uh

[57:07] they're more than welcome to come to my

[57:09] place and I've been getting a lot of

[57:10] phone calls as because that's just the

[57:12] way it's going to be so we'll try to

[57:15] make do and try to meet the schedule one

[57:17] thing that came to clear to me is the

[57:19] tiin T in we were hoping and we didn't

[57:23] quite see it in the plan and Jack you

[57:25] and I talked about it that Red Zone it's

[57:27] called the pine tree trailer park and we

[57:30] thought talking to the staff that that

[57:32] was a little more than just an owner's

[57:35] wish we thought it was maybe and and I

[57:37] don't need an answer now I'm just trying

[57:39] to say this is something because for the

[57:41] council this is a real great opportunity

[57:44] for us there could be 50 5050 to 60

[57:49] affordable home sites so we're lot eager

[57:53] to have this built into the Turon plant

[57:55] they put the water and sewer the

[57:57] infrastructure there it looks like part

[57:59] of tiin so I'm hoping that we can work

[58:01] it out and it becomes part of the

[58:03] settlement of Tiber the other thing I

[58:05] just wanted to talk about uh is the lake

[58:09] shore uh we weren't aware in our plan in

[58:12] 22 that the uh it was actually secondary

[58:16] urban community all along the lake shore

[58:20] um I find it you know and people are

[58:22] having some sort of problem because as a

[58:24] secondary Urban sort of community you

[58:28] expect all the infrastructure to be

[58:29] there it's very limited the in the

[58:33] infrastructure is very limited along

[58:35] there and even the two projects that are

[58:37] being proposed are are are having

[58:39] problems it's it's not so much Community

[58:42] it's we got to work better with the

[58:44] community and the developers and really

[58:46] understand that whole area and how to

[58:47] develop it and it's going to take some

[58:50] time for community and developers and

[58:52] the planners to all come together on it

[58:54] so that's going to be a a little bit

[58:56] longer but you can see from your maps in

[58:58] your interactive maps I hope they're

[59:00] available pretty soon for us whether we

[59:02] need the computer because they're

[59:04] excellent but we see a lot of the

[59:06] natural heritage in that area we see a

[59:08] lot of yellow which is basically the

[59:10] water generation it it's it's a

[59:12] challenge when you start to develop

[59:14] along that strip so uh we will be

[59:17] contining talking to you through the

[59:18] community and through our course counsel

[59:20] but thank you very much great

[59:24] presentation Deputy Mayor please

[59:27] thank you Mar through you thank you for

[59:29] your

[59:30] presentation I know one of the um issues

[59:34] underlining was consultations and you've

[59:38] identified that you're having open

[59:39] houses in October November um I'm

[59:43] pleased to see that you're you've listed

[59:45] sort of the the various groups that

[59:47] you're also engaging consultations with

[59:49] I think from a a legal perspective one

[59:51] of the biggest challenges is is lack of

[59:52] consultation how's the engagement been

[59:54] so far with regards to this

[59:56] this thank you for the question uh

[59:58] through you mayor Craig um we actually

[1:00:01] were very pleased with the turnout that

[1:00:02] we had at our open houses um typically

[1:00:06] it's hard to get people interested in

[1:00:09] official plan policy um in my experience

[1:00:12] in my planning career you get folks out

[1:00:14] for zoning bylaw uh uh comprehensive

[1:00:18] reviews more so than you do for official

[1:00:20] plans uh but we have been um pretty um

[1:00:24] pretty proactive in promoting things on

[1:00:27] social media um also through our all our

[1:00:30] County platforms uh the plan the Bruce

[1:00:33] website has been um a a tool for public

[1:00:37] engagement since the beginning uh years

[1:00:39] of the project like the 2018 2019 time

[1:00:43] period um and that's a resource that

[1:00:45] some of the followers of our project

[1:00:48] have um known that they can go back to

[1:00:50] back to that to receive updates um but

[1:00:53] in terms of like kind of organic um you

[1:00:56] know citizen engagement at the open

[1:00:59] houses I was personally very pleased

[1:01:01] with the types of conversations that we

[1:01:02] were able to have an example would be um

[1:01:05] we partnered with the Bruce County

[1:01:06] Federation of Agriculture to have an

[1:01:09] open house before their AGM in Tera and

[1:01:11] there were a number of uh Farmers that I

[1:01:14] was able to speak to there and uh I had

[1:01:17] a conversation with a couple and through

[1:01:20] our discussions they learned that the

[1:01:23] proposed designation on their property

[1:01:24] would change from rural to Prime

[1:01:26] Agricultural and so I talked to them

[1:01:28] about how if they like were concerned

[1:01:30] about that they could put comments in so

[1:01:32] I think we are um having the

[1:01:34] effectiveness um in in those types of

[1:01:38] conversations of bringing the awareness

[1:01:40] that we're looking for uh through public

[1:01:45] engagement at the end of the day does

[1:01:48] the updated official plan make our

[1:01:51] planning uh and you know hopes for

[1:01:55] future devel velopment more efficient

[1:01:57] less efficient more challenging because

[1:02:00] there's a lot more

[1:02:02] detail uh how what is what happens to

[1:02:05] planning staff at the county level are

[1:02:08] they bogg down or they have a big knp

[1:02:12] sock taking off their back which which

[1:02:14] way does you do you see this

[1:02:16] going so our Our Hope would be that uh

[1:02:19] and our our the way that we've

[1:02:20] structured this plan is that when

[1:02:22] complete it will uh reduce the

[1:02:26] application load particularly of joint

[1:02:28] applications where we have a project and

[1:02:29] we have to have a public meeting here

[1:02:31] and a public meeting there uh and then

[1:02:33] another thing to get it all approved and

[1:02:36] trying to get those down to one

[1:02:38] application um and there's a number of

[1:02:40] areas where we've been we have been

[1:02:42] working and you see that through all the

[1:02:44] gray text in the plan already where

[1:02:48] we've been cleaning up um policies that

[1:02:51] were duplicative or um caused routine

[1:02:55] routinely triggered applications that

[1:02:57] were not there was no real planning

[1:03:00] issue per se and so through that we've

[1:03:03] actually reduced the number of

[1:03:04] applications to amend the county plan as

[1:03:07] it exists uh drastically and so we look

[1:03:10] forward to concluding this project and

[1:03:13] then starting to work with local

[1:03:14] municipalities

[1:03:16] on the version of that that we can do

[1:03:19] with with you uh to also make your plans

[1:03:22] as efficient as possible while making

[1:03:25] sure that they're good plans and so we

[1:03:27] put all the energy into writing good

[1:03:28] policy as opposed to more

[1:03:32] policy very good Jake Monica Jack thanks

[1:03:36] so much for coming tonight talking all

[1:03:38] things planning we we do appreciate it

[1:03:40] it is uh way more exciting than uh than

[1:03:44] what you give a credit for maybe so

[1:03:46] thank

[1:03:47] you all right uh moving on and and to

[1:03:52] the bean family thank you so much for

[1:03:53] being here like you're welcome to stay

[1:03:55] if you want want but but but now here

[1:03:58] you can you can uh put your head down

[1:04:01] and sneak out the side door now

[1:04:04] nobody uh so I'd like to

[1:04:06] introduce uh Isabelle turot from the

[1:04:09] impact assessment agency of

[1:04:11] Canada and Doug Wy from the Canadian

[1:04:15] nuclear safety commission who are here

[1:04:17] this evening to uh make a presentation

[1:04:21] regarding uh the uh proposed uh Bruce c

[1:04:25] pro project so uh just to that to that

[1:04:29] end I'd like to moover and second that

[1:04:31] we received the presentation regarding

[1:04:33] the Canadian nuclear safety commission

[1:04:35] and the impact assessment agency of

[1:04:37] Canada for information with respect to

[1:04:39] the Bruce C project move by counselors

[1:04:42] Kavanaugh and

[1:04:44] hinchberger uh Isabelle Doug

[1:04:47] welcome thank you um so my name is

[1:04:50] Isabel suat I'm here on behalf of the

[1:04:53] impact assessment agency of Canada I am

[1:04:55] a M manager pardon me with the review

[1:04:57] panel's division I'm here with my

[1:04:59] colleague Doug Wy from the

[1:05:02] CNC there my name is Doug Wy I'm an

[1:05:04] environmental review just just a minute

[1:05:06] before you go any further I'd like to

[1:05:08] invite you up to sit at the the table

[1:05:10] here where our planning staff made their

[1:05:12] presentation the microphones are better

[1:05:15] and uh it's just a long time to stand

[1:05:18] there

[1:05:21] so welcome to the inner Sanctum

[1:05:33] perfect we appreciate that thanks mayor

[1:05:35] thanks Council all right so we're here

[1:05:37] to talk to you today about the

[1:05:39] integrated sorry did you finish

[1:05:40] introducing yourself earlier go

[1:05:43] ahead I was saying Doug Doug Wy I'm an

[1:05:46] environmental review officer with the

[1:05:48] Canadian nuclear safety Commission in

[1:05:49] the environmental review

[1:05:53] division which one it is already there

[1:05:55] we go they do have a a great team of uh

[1:05:57] staff here with them as well so you

[1:05:59] don't go sneaking out anybody so uh so

[1:06:02] it's even though Doug and Isabelle are

[1:06:04] presenting they come uh well supported

[1:06:07] absolutely and we can turn to our

[1:06:08] colleagues if there's any specific

[1:06:10] questions uh through you um so we're

[1:06:13] here today to talk about who we are what

[1:06:15] we do we're also here to focus on uh

[1:06:19] participation and consultation

[1:06:21] opportunities as we have been informed

[1:06:23] that that was the interest of the

[1:06:24] council and also about the next steps

[1:06:26] for this process so we each have a part

[1:06:28] of the the presentation we'll try to

[1:06:30] keep it simple and happy to go in detail

[1:06:32] if there are any

[1:06:34] questions the impact assessment agency

[1:06:36] of Canada is mandated to conduct Federal

[1:06:39] impact assessments impact assessments at

[1:06:41] the federal Level under the impact

[1:06:43] Assessment Act aimed to enhance positive

[1:06:45] impacts of projects and to mitigate

[1:06:48] adverse effects we could also coordinate

[1:06:51] the consultation with indigenous peoples

[1:06:53] for the whole of the federal government

[1:06:54] in these process

[1:06:56] cesses when it comes to designated Pro

[1:06:59] sorry when it comes to designated

[1:07:00] nuclear projects under our legislation

[1:07:03] those have to be conducted as an

[1:07:06] integrated assessment with the initial

[1:07:08] license from the Canadian nuclear safety

[1:07:10] commission so essentially should the

[1:07:13] projects be approved the first licenses

[1:07:15] that the proponents apply for would then

[1:07:18] be um decided upon and issued to a

[1:07:21] proponent so I will go in more detail

[1:07:24] about what those integrated assess Ms

[1:07:25] are about we are dividing our process in

[1:07:29] five phases there's also the

[1:07:31] pre-planning phase which is a little bit

[1:07:33] of this indivisible phase at the

[1:07:35] beginning where we get to know the

[1:07:37] community we help proponents uh when it

[1:07:40] comes to questions that they would have

[1:07:42] about the process we also build

[1:07:44] relationships with indigenous Nations

[1:07:46] and communities and then um prepare for

[1:07:49] the initial project description to come

[1:07:51] in in this case of the Bruce Power

[1:07:55] Brucey proposal uh was submitted to the

[1:07:58] impact assessment agency in reviewed and

[1:08:01] started the planning phase on August uh

[1:08:04] 12th

[1:08:06] 2024 so we are currently here and I'm

[1:08:08] going to go in detail in each steps of

[1:08:10] that phase and then I'll start to talk

[1:08:12] about the next

[1:08:13] ones so as I was saying we are currently

[1:08:16] in the planning phase just at the

[1:08:18] beginning so the agency received the

[1:08:21] initial project description and has

[1:08:23] accepted it posted it on its website we

[1:08:26] immediately started a comment period is

[1:08:28] usually about 30 days it is currently

[1:08:31] suspended for additional engagement

[1:08:33] opportunities we are uh in this comment

[1:08:36] period currently until October 28th

[1:08:39] after the comment period is done what

[1:08:41] the agency will do in collaboration with

[1:08:43] the cnsc is to issue the summary of the

[1:08:46] issues that we heard during that comment

[1:08:48] period to the proponent that summary of

[1:08:51] issues requires a response from the

[1:08:53] proponent and based on that response the

[1:08:56] agency will determine whether or not an

[1:08:58] impact assessment is required that

[1:09:00] usually happens within the first 80 Days

[1:09:02] of the comment period upon decision that

[1:09:05] an impact assessment is required if that

[1:09:07] is the case the agency in collaboration

[1:09:10] with the cnsc for an integrated

[1:09:12] assessment then moves on to drafting

[1:09:15] impact statement guidelines as well as

[1:09:17] four plans that are required in our

[1:09:19] legislation the impact assess sorry the

[1:09:22] impact statement guidelines really

[1:09:24] contain all of the requirements both for

[1:09:27] the impact Assessment Act and under the

[1:09:29] nuclear safety and Control Act for uh

[1:09:32] the information and studies that the

[1:09:33] proponent is required to submit so that

[1:09:36] will form what we call the impact

[1:09:38] statement the four plans that are also

[1:09:41] required as showed at the slide include

[1:09:44] a public participation plan which

[1:09:46] contains all of the uh participants

[1:09:49] ident that we've identified all of the

[1:09:51] public participation opportunities that

[1:09:53] are provided and also timeline and a

[1:09:56] timing for those opportunities so that

[1:09:58] participants can effectively uh

[1:10:01] contribute to um the assessment and be

[1:10:04] heard there is a comment period right

[1:10:06] after those drafts are done for uh

[1:10:09] comments on the guidelines and mostly on

[1:10:12] the public participation plan so we'll

[1:10:15] go and seek comments on maybe where we

[1:10:17] should go at what time of the day do

[1:10:19] people want to uh be consulted in what

[1:10:22] ways would be more effective to reach

[1:10:24] people like in information at libraries

[1:10:27] or any other means snail mail even is

[1:10:29] something we

[1:10:30] do um so the other plans that we do are

[1:10:34] the in indigenous engagement and

[1:10:36] partnership plan we also have to draft a

[1:10:38] cooperation plan which outlines how we

[1:10:41] will work with another jurisdiction in

[1:10:43] this case the province of Ontario we

[1:10:45] also have to draft the permanent plan to

[1:10:47] make sure that it is transparent to all

[1:10:50] what the proponents uh permits could be

[1:10:53] and uh there is an option there to

[1:10:55] provide that information as part of the

[1:10:57] impact assessment process once the plans

[1:11:01] are finalized as well as the guidelines

[1:11:03] after the comment period the notice of

[1:11:06] commencement is issued and we move into

[1:11:08] the impact statement phase so I'll talk

[1:11:11] about public participation for a moment

[1:11:13] it's very uh important in our process

[1:11:15] that we provide public participation

[1:11:17] opportunities it is a Cornerstone of a

[1:11:20] fair and transparent process so our goal

[1:11:24] is that members of the public who wish

[1:11:25] to participate have the opportunity to

[1:11:27] do so that they're provided the

[1:11:29] information and the support to enable

[1:11:31] them to participate in an informed way

[1:11:34] so that their input is considered as

[1:11:35] part of the

[1:11:37] process opportunities include commenting

[1:11:39] via the Canadian impact assessment

[1:11:41] registry we also come and do events like

[1:11:45] this where we could talk to information

[1:11:47] session open houses or other meetings by

[1:11:49] organizations with an interest we have

[1:11:52] video conferences online information

[1:11:54] information sessions the cnsc often

[1:11:57] hosts webinars as well and um at the in

[1:12:01] the process the assessment phase pardon

[1:12:03] me one of the key opportunities for

[1:12:05] participation is a public hearing so

[1:12:07] I'll talk a bit more about that later

[1:12:10] the registry is also where people can

[1:12:12] find all of the information it does

[1:12:14] consist bless you it does consist of uh

[1:12:18] the record of the assessment so um I

[1:12:22] didn't necessarily explain that in in

[1:12:23] detail yet but these assessments are

[1:12:25] referred to an independent revieww panel

[1:12:28] a panel uh is a uh quasi judicial

[1:12:32] administrative tribunal they look at a

[1:12:34] record for their assessment so the

[1:12:36] registry essentially consists of the

[1:12:38] record for the assessment so in that

[1:12:41] record you can find comments from

[1:12:43] participants you can look at information

[1:12:45] about the project you can look at active

[1:12:47] notices

[1:12:50] Etc we also have a participant funding

[1:12:52] program which helps uh funding

[1:12:55] recipients prepare and participate in

[1:12:57] key stages of the assessment it can

[1:12:59] cover several different kinds of fees

[1:13:01] all of that information is available via

[1:13:03] our website what uh the types of people

[1:13:06] that are eligible for these processes

[1:13:10] include individuals Incorporated

[1:13:12] non-for-profit organizations and

[1:13:14] Indigenous groups uh the slide here

[1:13:16] contains information on how to apply and

[1:13:18] certain examples of eligibility

[1:13:20] requirements which are uh as general as

[1:13:23] having knowledge relevant to the assess

[1:13:25] assessment having expertise on the

[1:13:27] Project's potential impacts and having

[1:13:29] it just an interest in um the potential

[1:13:31] impacts of the

[1:13:34] project so I already spoke a lot in

[1:13:36] detail about the planning phase so the

[1:13:38] planning phase really is what it stands

[1:13:40] for planning uh the outcome of the

[1:13:42] planning phase are those guidelines that

[1:13:45] I mentioned that is a very substantial

[1:13:47] detailed document there is currently a

[1:13:50] generic uh example on our website when I

[1:13:52] mean generic I mean applicable to all

[1:13:54] sectors not not not just nuclear given

[1:13:57] that we look at other uh sectors in

[1:14:00] Canada um and the four plans once that

[1:14:03] phase uh ends so as I was saying as you

[1:14:07] saw earlier it is a legislative timeline

[1:14:09] of 180 days we then move to the study

[1:14:13] phase so that's the impact statement

[1:14:15] phase that is the time that the

[1:14:17] proponent takes to provide all of the

[1:14:19] information and studies that are

[1:14:21] required in the guidelines it is also a

[1:14:24] phase where the agency with the cnsc

[1:14:26] will draft the terms of reference for

[1:14:29] the panel that will conduct the

[1:14:31] assessment once the agency and the CNC

[1:14:34] have determined that all of the

[1:14:35] information and Studies have been

[1:14:36] provided as part of the impact statement

[1:14:39] we then move to the next phase which is

[1:14:41] the third phase however before that

[1:14:43] happens the agency and the CNC will

[1:14:46] consider uh comments from indigenous

[1:14:49] groups the public and all experts on the

[1:14:52] impact statements so that phase also

[1:14:54] contains a major um public participation

[1:14:57] opportunity for a period and comments on

[1:14:59] the impact statement should the agency

[1:15:02] and the CNC find that there are

[1:15:03] deficiencies in the impact statement it

[1:15:06] can ask we can ask for further questions

[1:15:08] of the proponent or other experts to

[1:15:11] supplement the impact statement should

[1:15:13] that be the case additional comment

[1:15:14] periods could occur on additional

[1:15:18] information once the agency is satisfied

[1:15:21] that everything has been provided then

[1:15:23] the review panel has establish lished

[1:15:25] that review panel is integrated which

[1:15:28] means that it will look at both the

[1:15:30] requirements under the impact Assessment

[1:15:31] Act and the um nuclear safety and

[1:15:35] Control Act in the case of Bruce Power

[1:15:38] we anticipate that the license to

[1:15:40] prepare site is the only is the

[1:15:42] application that is integrated so the

[1:15:44] panel would look at that as well and

[1:15:46] recommend conditions to the government

[1:15:49] if that approval went

[1:15:51] forward the panel will hold also comment

[1:15:55] periods on their public participation

[1:15:58] sorry their public hearing procedures so

[1:16:00] you would hear from the panel how they

[1:16:02] intend to conduct their hearing when it

[1:16:04] should be how participants can register

[1:16:07] and that is something that there is uh

[1:16:09] an opportunity to comment on there is

[1:16:12] also the opportunity at that time to

[1:16:14] participate and contribute via

[1:16:15] participation in the hearings which mean

[1:16:18] preparing presentations or written

[1:16:20] submissions and including participating

[1:16:22] in

[1:16:23] person once the panel holds their

[1:16:26] hearings they then write their report

[1:16:29] once the report is written and submitted

[1:16:31] to the minister then the agency and the

[1:16:34] cnsc do a little phase B of number three

[1:16:38] on my slide which essentially allows

[1:16:41] them to make recommendations on the

[1:16:43] conditions that the panel has

[1:16:45] recommended once that happens then the

[1:16:49] decision goes up to the governor and

[1:16:51] Council which is a fancy way for saying

[1:16:53] the federal cabinet of minister

[1:16:55] so the federal cabinet of ministers

[1:16:57] makes the determination of whether or

[1:16:59] not the public uh sorry the project is

[1:17:01] in the public interest based on

[1:17:02] conditions our based on the factors in

[1:17:05] our legislation if yes then the decision

[1:17:09] statement is issued and the conditions

[1:17:11] for the project are also issued most of

[1:17:13] it which would go in the license by The

[1:17:16] cnsc Who is then the life cycle

[1:17:18] regulator and takes over the role for

[1:17:20] the federal government for the whole

[1:17:22] project and Doug will talk about more uh

[1:17:24] about that more after I'm through uh if

[1:17:27] no then the uh impact the state sorry

[1:17:30] the impact assessment decision is posted

[1:17:33] with the reasons for the

[1:17:35] decision phase five should a project be

[1:17:38] approved then the proponent can go into

[1:17:41] activities such as in this case license

[1:17:43] to prepare site um and though in terms

[1:17:46] of the cnsc that actually is does not

[1:17:49] lead directly to construction there are

[1:17:50] additional licenses that need to be

[1:17:52] applied

[1:17:53] for so to recap what I was um what I

[1:17:57] said earlier the key opportunities for

[1:17:59] participation that uh are upcoming well

[1:18:02] currently it is on the initial project

[1:18:04] description the next major comment

[1:18:06] period and opportunity to participate

[1:18:09] will focus on the tailored impact

[1:18:11] statement guidelines and the public

[1:18:13] participation plan in the impact

[1:18:15] statement phase uh there will be an

[1:18:17] opportunity to review the impact

[1:18:20] statement and uh the review panel uh

[1:18:22] terms of reference one the um impact uh

[1:18:27] statement is deemed to meet all of the

[1:18:29] requirements for information and studies

[1:18:32] relevant to the project the panel will

[1:18:34] then start its work and will review uh

[1:18:37] will uh seek sub missions from the

[1:18:39] public and hear presentations to the

[1:18:43] panel over important dates to remember

[1:18:46] the current comment public comment

[1:18:48] period ends on October 28th we

[1:18:50] anticipate so these are tentative dates

[1:18:52] that within our schedule the summary of

[1:18:55] issues of the proponent would be issued

[1:18:57] on November 7th We could decide that

[1:19:00] whether or not an impact assessment is

[1:19:01] required by December 13th we anticipate

[1:19:04] the comment period on the draft tailored

[1:19:06] impact statement guidelines and plans

[1:19:08] would occur in Winter

[1:19:10] 2025 and the end of the planning phase

[1:19:13] would be around spring of 2025 so again

[1:19:16] these are tentative dates we will uh

[1:19:18] there are external factors not always in

[1:19:21] our control but all in all the

[1:19:23] legislative timeline is in 80 Days that

[1:19:25] does not

[1:19:27] change over to you

[1:19:29] D thank you Isabelle just just if I may

[1:19:32] interject is it appropriate

[1:19:34] to uh ask if Council has questions of

[1:19:38] yourself uh miss turot or whether uh Mr

[1:19:42] wy's presentation rounds it out like

[1:19:45] it's there's you've uh given us a lot of

[1:19:48] information uh spurred on questions but

[1:19:51] I like I If you need both Hales to make

[1:19:54] this Pres presentation complete so I'm

[1:19:56] not sure if Doug will be answering

[1:19:58] questions that that you might have

[1:20:00] presented what is your preference here

[1:20:02] I'm going to I'm gonna offer you the

[1:20:03] opportunity to to do that which would

[1:20:06] you like uh I think I would like my

[1:20:08] colleague to continue just because he

[1:20:10] will give the full picture of what the

[1:20:12] cnc's expertise is especially the

[1:20:14] process after the decision is made

[1:20:16] should the project proceed okay Mr Wy

[1:20:19] please the question thank you through

[1:20:22] you mayor Craig so I am going to give a

[1:20:26] broad overview of the CNC and our role

[1:20:28] after the impact assessment has

[1:20:29] concluded so uh I will also add that I

[1:20:32] am remiss if I don't say it but I am

[1:20:34] joined here by colleagues uh Jeff

[1:20:36] Stevenson who is the site inspector at

[1:20:38] Bruce uh Power Nuclear Generating

[1:20:40] Station and Samuel jabby who is the

[1:20:42] licensing lead for the Bruce SE project

[1:20:44] alongside myself who is leading the

[1:20:46] coordination of our integration with the

[1:20:48] impact assessment agency of

[1:20:52] Canada so that that leaves one uh One

[1:20:56] support staff at the back uh can can you

[1:20:59] introduce her please Isabelle we don't

[1:21:01] want to leave anybody out here yes I'm

[1:21:03] joined here by my colleague Mar CLA who

[1:21:06] works with the review panel division as

[1:21:08] well so thanks

[1:21:11] much thank you threw you a c curveball

[1:21:15] there uh so this slide really is an

[1:21:18] introduction to the CN it it uh speaks

[1:21:21] to our three pillars of the cn's Mandate

[1:21:24] and all try to limit my use of acronyms

[1:21:26] apologies there but Canadian nuclear

[1:21:28] safety commission so it is based on the

[1:21:30] regulation of the nuclear industry to

[1:21:32] protect the people and the environment

[1:21:35] uh also to implement the peaceful use of

[1:21:37] nuclear energy in Canada and to

[1:21:40] disseminate objective scientific and

[1:21:41] regulatory

[1:21:44] information uh the cnc's commission is a

[1:21:47] quaja Judicial tribunal of experts and

[1:21:50] uh complemented by C staff who support

[1:21:54] the commission and conduct regulatory

[1:21:56] pardon me regulatory oversight

[1:22:03] activities as previously mentioned we

[1:22:06] are the life cycle regulator of the

[1:22:07] nuclear industry in Canada so that is

[1:22:09] the all the different areas of

[1:22:11] Regulation uh and essentially those

[1:22:14] commercial uses of nuclear energy also

[1:22:16] the industrial and medical uh

[1:22:18] applications and research as well

[1:22:25] the cn's robust regulatory framework is

[1:22:27] predicated on the uh enabling

[1:22:29] legislation which is the nuclear safety

[1:22:31] and Control Act

[1:22:34] um and as we move down this triangle it

[1:22:37] gets to more and more detail uh on our

[1:22:40] nuclear regulatory framework so the

[1:22:42] onuses on proponents and lenses to show

[1:22:44] us how they meet our requirements

[1:22:47] specifically for the Bruce C project uh

[1:22:50] we're working very closely with the

[1:22:51] impact assessment agency of Canada on to

[1:22:54] inter our requirements into their

[1:23:00] process uh so as mentioned also before

[1:23:04] the Bruce seat project speaking

[1:23:06] specifically is uh right now seeking the

[1:23:08] license to prepare site uh but we are a

[1:23:11] multiphase life cycle uh regulator so it

[1:23:15] begins with the site preparation and

[1:23:17] then moves into construction operation

[1:23:19] and decommissioning at which point each

[1:23:22] different life cycle phase is uh

[1:23:25] is is handled through a public

[1:23:30] hearing cnc's regulatory oversight is

[1:23:33] based on 14 safety and control areas uh

[1:23:37] these are technical topics where we have

[1:23:39] various subject matter experts um each

[1:23:42] subject matter expert will be

[1:23:44] responsible for assessing evaluating

[1:23:46] reviewing verifying and Reporting on

[1:23:48] regulatory requirements and performance

[1:23:51] of a proponent or leny

[1:23:57] so how is cnse uh oversight carried out

[1:24:00] well there are various different methods

[1:24:02] of inspections uh we review many reports

[1:24:06] uh

[1:24:07] also uh direct followup through those uh

[1:24:11] and we also conduct engagement and

[1:24:13] Outreach like

[1:24:16] today the next few slides speak in

[1:24:19] detail to some areas of interest uh I I

[1:24:22] I will admit I'm not an expert in these

[1:24:24] areas uh except for the last one which

[1:24:27] uh so I won't speak too in detail but

[1:24:29] I'd like to include these slides as

[1:24:31] informational purposes because they are

[1:24:33] full of great

[1:24:40] information

[1:24:43] um on this Slide the regulations speak

[1:24:46] speaking back to uh the regulatory

[1:24:49] framework uh certification of packaging

[1:24:51] for

[1:24:52] transport uh occurs through the

[1:24:54] packaging and transport of nuclear

[1:24:55] substances regulations uh but also

[1:24:58] adherence to the transportation of

[1:24:59] dangerous goods

[1:25:01] regulations um and the CNC has staff

[1:25:04] that oversee these

[1:25:10] programs so similarly I am not an expert

[1:25:12] in Emergency Management uh but again I

[1:25:15] like to include these slides for the

[1:25:17] informational

[1:25:18] purposes uh we do have experts in these

[1:25:22] in both of these various areas

[1:25:28] and essentially so this is closing off

[1:25:30] for the Emergency Management uh the

[1:25:32] basic principles are that there is an

[1:25:34] assessment done which is the planning

[1:25:36] basis

[1:25:38] uh the emergency response plan and

[1:25:40] procedures uh is then described there is

[1:25:43] practice practice and Readiness that is

[1:25:46] goes on into the emergency management

[1:25:48] and then uh those programs are

[1:25:50] reassessed and Effectiveness is

[1:25:52] re-evaluated

[1:25:57] as for the Environmental Protection

[1:25:59] framework uh so we this is mostly

[1:26:03] described through the reg regulatory

[1:26:05] documents of 2.9.1 and

[1:26:08] 2.9.2 I'll also add that all of cn's

[1:26:11] regulatory documents are available

[1:26:13] online for your your

[1:26:16] reading um in these documents they

[1:26:18] explain the requirements and guidance we

[1:26:20] have for proponents and lenes at Large

[1:26:26] for existing lenses we rely on an

[1:26:29] Adaptive phase management approach uh of

[1:26:31] an environmental risk assessment um and

[1:26:34] this shows that process so the

[1:26:36] environmental risk assessment uh is

[1:26:38] revised on a minimum of fiveyear cycle

[1:26:41] uh and is updated with new data uh which

[1:26:44] is collected by lenses uh and updated

[1:26:47] based on new science developments as

[1:26:50] well they touch on every aspect of the

[1:26:52] environment and uh so that also includes

[1:26:54] the human health risk assessment and the

[1:26:57] ecological risk

[1:27:00] assessment and that is it for me today

[1:27:03] thank

[1:27:04] you may I add just a key takeaway

[1:27:06] messages in the in the requirements that

[1:27:08] Doug was explaining on the lies slides

[1:27:10] those are the kinds of requirements that

[1:27:12] I was referring to earlier as being

[1:27:14] integrated within our tailored impact

[1:27:17] statement guidelines so thank

[1:27:20] you Council questions for uh m turkot or

[1:27:24] Mr

[1:27:26] Wy councelor Stewart please thank you

[1:27:29] and through you chair thank you very

[1:27:30] much for very informative um I actually

[1:27:34] live at imuran so we're the closest

[1:27:36] Community to Bruce Power um I just have

[1:27:41] other than looking at our comprehensive

[1:27:43] zoning bylaw over the next little while

[1:27:45] and our official plan I've been working

[1:27:47] on my my comments on the impact

[1:27:51] assessment my problem is is B I hope you

[1:27:53] can help help me I'm trying to get some

[1:27:56] funding but uh those things are a little

[1:27:58] more difficult to fill in than I thought

[1:28:00] is there anybody that can help me fill

[1:28:02] in for some uh participation funding

[1:28:05] programs because every time I look at it

[1:28:07] I almost go crazy so I I I know it's

[1:28:10] pretty self-explanatory but it's not if

[1:28:12] if you know if you if you're not dealing

[1:28:14] with it every day so is there somebody

[1:28:16] or Cole's notes sorry I'm showing my age

[1:28:19] but is there some sort of version I can

[1:28:21] actually because there's about three or

[1:28:22] four I would like to apply for thank

[1:28:26] you thank you through you mayor um uh

[1:28:29] yes definitely there is support uh the

[1:28:32] participant funding program has a

[1:28:33] generic inbox and we can put you in

[1:28:35] contact with folks there who uh are uh

[1:28:38] good support to help with um filling the

[1:28:41] applications the application for the

[1:28:43] current public comit period for the

[1:28:45] Brucey process uh closed I think it was

[1:28:48] on September 13th but there are several

[1:28:50] other ongoing and there will be more so

[1:28:53] you can either th email the Public

[1:28:55] Funding participant program or contact

[1:28:57] us and I can put you through the right

[1:29:00] people as well thank you very much

[1:29:04] is councelor Kavanaugh thank you very

[1:29:07] much and uh through the chair thank you

[1:29:08] for your presentation uh to take it a

[1:29:10] little more broadly uh councelor Stewart

[1:29:12] was referring to applying I believe as

[1:29:14] an individual representing um and and

[1:29:17] I'm more curious about how the

[1:29:18] municipality can participate um your

[1:29:21] slide mentioned meaningful participation

[1:29:23] but um we we actually have an agenda

[1:29:26] item later tonight about our budget

[1:29:27] presentation and uh looking at what it

[1:29:30] would cost or what the estimated cost

[1:29:32] what it could be for the municipality to

[1:29:33] sort of participate fully uh seems like

[1:29:36] a lot to sort of push onto our taxpayers

[1:29:38] especially in one year uh is there there

[1:29:41] processes or ways for the municipality

[1:29:43] to secure funding to meaningly

[1:29:47] participate thank you for the question

[1:29:49] through you chair uh currently our

[1:29:52] participant funding program does not

[1:29:53] include t tax based organizations so the

[1:29:55] criteria for eligibility eligibility

[1:29:59] unfortunately uh would uh rule out

[1:30:01] funding a municipality directly um I can

[1:30:04] speak from Fast past experience um

[1:30:07] Municipal citizens have themselves

[1:30:09] acquired funding through the participant

[1:30:11] funding program to um look into

[1:30:14] information that they were really

[1:30:15] interested about which was related to

[1:30:18] socioeconomic conditions health

[1:30:20] conditions environment Etc so that is

[1:30:22] one of the ways that the city cens can

[1:30:25] uh look into getting funding to support

[1:30:27] uh review of information or their own

[1:30:29] contributions that would also be of

[1:30:31] interest to the

[1:30:32] municipality um and other than that we

[1:30:34] don't really have visibility or don't

[1:30:36] necessarily intervene directly with

[1:30:38] proponents to provide funding but that

[1:30:40] is something that could be an Avenue um

[1:30:42] that we've also seen in the past and I

[1:30:45] don't know Doug if you have anything to

[1:30:47] add thank you through you mayor uh so

[1:30:50] the ceny in the past has encouraged

[1:30:51] municipalities because we likewise

[1:30:54] cannot fund municipalities through our

[1:30:55] person funding program however we we've

[1:30:58] encouraged municipalities to reach out

[1:30:59] to the Canadian Association for nuclear

[1:31:01] host communities who can access funding

[1:31:03] for the municipality and who can direct

[1:31:05] funds to you um and I I believe that's

[1:31:10] it maybe I'll uh direct that comment

[1:31:14] back to our CAO because I I believe we

[1:31:17] already have and could you comment on

[1:31:19] the response for that please sure

[1:31:22] through through you um yes so Kik did

[1:31:26] put forward an application um for

[1:31:29] funding through to

[1:31:30] cnsc um uh from what I know that was

[1:31:34] declined what was shared with me that

[1:31:35] was declined um it was referred over to

[1:31:38] iak um an application was submitted

[1:31:41] before the deadline um and to date we

[1:31:43] haven't heard

[1:31:48] yet yes Mr Wy

[1:31:52] please I may through your mayor

[1:31:54] uh I'll I will take that back to the C

[1:31:56] and our participant funding program to

[1:31:58] look into that

[1:32:00] further one one of the questions and I'm

[1:32:03] not precluding any other counselors that

[1:32:05] there's ones to follow up I uh

[1:32:08] appreciate the Cooperative uh function

[1:32:12] that iak and cnsc seems to uh work

[1:32:15] together you know there's there's one

[1:32:17] that's begins the process and one that

[1:32:19] continues on but I'm sure there's

[1:32:21] cooperation back and forth and and I'm

[1:32:23] wondering ing about

[1:32:26] the uh about the function of iak and

[1:32:30] cnsc whether in the the midst of the

[1:32:34] conversations uh whether it's the

[1:32:36] planning or evaluation or submission of

[1:32:38] reports or whatever are you a uh a

[1:32:41] mediator a uh an adjudicator

[1:32:46] a an enforcer what's what's what's your

[1:32:51] what's your level of authority here what

[1:32:54] what yeah I know that's the official

[1:32:56] title but I but I'm wondering if like

[1:32:58] when push comes to shove where where are

[1:33:00] you in the pecking order here yes in

[1:33:03] terms of our thank you for the question

[1:33:05] through you and and it's a very very

[1:33:07] good question um we are almost all of

[1:33:10] those things depending on what time of

[1:33:12] the process that we are at in terms of

[1:33:15] the impact assessment agency of Canada

[1:33:17] for nuclear projects obviously the life

[1:33:19] cycle regulator will always remain the

[1:33:21] Kenan nuclear safety commission but

[1:33:23] during in an integrated assessment

[1:33:25] process it is led by the impact

[1:33:27] assessment agency of Canada according to

[1:33:29] a memorandum of understanding that's

[1:33:31] actually on our website that's freely

[1:33:33] available uh for integrated assessments

[1:33:35] between our organizations so at the

[1:33:38] beginning steps of the process I would

[1:33:40] like to say that almost for the entire

[1:33:42] time we are a facilitator it would be

[1:33:44] the word that I would use so we do

[1:33:46] administer the entire process from start

[1:33:48] to finish in terms of our duties and our

[1:33:52] expertise we will then always use the

[1:33:54] information that is publicly available

[1:33:56] on the record in order for us to perform

[1:33:58] our work so it does include looking into

[1:34:01] the expertise from all of the federal

[1:34:02] authorities including the cnsc fisheries

[1:34:05] and oceans Canada Environment Canada if

[1:34:07] there is provincial expertise on the

[1:34:09] record uh also comments from the public

[1:34:12] and municipalities we use that

[1:34:14] information and maybe in that sense it's

[1:34:16] not necessarily a mediator but you could

[1:34:18] kind of go as far as saying that we take

[1:34:20] all of that information look at the

[1:34:22] concerns from uh indigenous groups and

[1:34:24] the public the public pardon me

[1:34:26] everything that's on the record and we

[1:34:28] summarized that and turned that into

[1:34:30] requirements to give the proponent so

[1:34:33] then we become a little bit an

[1:34:35] adjudicator in judging whether or not

[1:34:38] the information and studies that a

[1:34:40] proponent provides are satisfying the

[1:34:43] guidelines so there is a decision there

[1:34:45] when it comes to uh referring the impact

[1:34:48] assessment process the Mandate for the

[1:34:50] review panel that integrated review

[1:34:53] panel is independent they are uh

[1:34:55] unbiased they are not members of

[1:34:57] government they are free of conflict and

[1:34:59] of interests and they have to have

[1:35:01] specific specific expertise so in that

[1:35:04] sense there the agency and the CNC do

[1:35:07] become technical administrative

[1:35:09] logistical supports but that panel does

[1:35:12] function on their own indep

[1:35:13] independently the agency does have a

[1:35:15] duty to give them support in terms of

[1:35:17] Staff but all of that process is also

[1:35:20] cost recovered from proponents I think I

[1:35:22] forgot to mention that so that's that's

[1:35:25] yeah so everything in it

[1:35:28] depends everything in it depends uh

[1:35:31] counselor hinchberger please thank you

[1:35:33] through chair a lot of people won't go

[1:35:36] into the depth that you will go into but

[1:35:39] so people can get a idea of scope if we

[1:35:42] were talking like um a radius from the

[1:35:44] Bruce Power site in terms of assessing

[1:35:47] if you get to an impact assessment for a

[1:35:49] Bruce SE project what kind of scale are

[1:35:51] we talking about

[1:35:55] thank you through mayor um that is an

[1:35:57] excellent question it's not based

[1:35:59] necessarily on a radius when we're

[1:36:01] looking at the impacts of a project

[1:36:03] we're looking at the whole life cycle

[1:36:05] our legislation uh in terms of

[1:36:08] designated projects stipulate that it's

[1:36:10] for site preparation construction

[1:36:12] operation decommissioning and

[1:36:14] abandonment so in terms of the scope for

[1:36:17] the timeline of a project we're looking

[1:36:20] at all of it of course the level of

[1:36:22] detail would not be as advanc for some

[1:36:24] of the phases as others but we have to

[1:36:26] consider all of that into consideration

[1:36:29] in terms of the geographic scope it is

[1:36:32] in the guidelin stipulated that it is uh

[1:36:35] dependent on what we call valued

[1:36:37] components so when you're looking for

[1:36:39] example at the presentation that the

[1:36:40] county of Bruce gave earlier they talk

[1:36:42] about species at risk they look

[1:36:44] depending on the species what their

[1:36:45] habitats are and in terms of their

[1:36:48] habitat how does that link to water

[1:36:50] quality hydrogeology Etc so the

[1:36:52] proponent has to Define geographical

[1:36:54] extents including for health and socio

[1:36:57] economic conditions of what is going to

[1:36:59] be affected by the project so it is

[1:37:01] Project dependent and dependent on the

[1:37:03] valued component so we usually go as far

[1:37:06] as the region especially when it comes

[1:37:08] to cumulative effects so there's a long

[1:37:11] list of policies and and best practices

[1:37:14] in that area and we can work through

[1:37:16] specific examples if you wish so like

[1:37:19] using the fuel cycle as an example

[1:37:21] depending on the reactor type chose and

[1:37:23] whatever ever fuel it might use you'll

[1:37:25] May reach as far as where the that fuel

[1:37:29] is uh mined manufactured Etc as part of

[1:37:32] the whole uh thread all the way here

[1:37:37] correct thank you through you mayor so

[1:37:40] that also is a question of an analysis

[1:37:43] that needs to happen by the agency

[1:37:45] during the the planning phase that we're

[1:37:47] in when it comes to the tailored impact

[1:37:49] statement guidelines because they have

[1:37:51] to include all of the requirements for

[1:37:53] the project and the project effects we

[1:37:54] need to Define what the project is so

[1:37:57] does the project include activities that

[1:37:59] are incidental to it so there is a

[1:38:01] summary of that analysis that is

[1:38:03] typically posted when the guidelines are

[1:38:05] finalized and I'll take for example the

[1:38:08] topic of um I think it was the Delta

[1:38:12] Port fourth birth at West um there was

[1:38:15] consideration of marine shipping and

[1:38:18] transport like Rail and Road Transport

[1:38:20] and that was I believe included in the

[1:38:22] guidelines so Sim similarly when you're

[1:38:24] looking at transportation of fuel

[1:38:26] transportation of waste transportation

[1:38:28] of construction materials they all those

[1:38:31] are all questions we currently have and

[1:38:33] through the planning phase we'll get the

[1:38:35] information to figure out how they fit

[1:38:37] in the assessment if they're part of the

[1:38:39] project are the cumulative impacts

[1:38:41] related to the project or are the issues

[1:38:43] relevant to the

[1:38:45] assessment so all those concerns are

[1:38:47] important to put on the record Deputy

[1:38:49] Mayor please you had a question

[1:38:53] sorry thank you mayor through you um I

[1:38:56] had a couple of questions one was

[1:38:58] um from phase one or stage one to to

[1:39:02] stage three is stage one effectively

[1:39:04] when the proponent has provided all of

[1:39:05] the necessary information so sort of the

[1:39:08] notice of determination is that stage

[1:39:10] one sorry good question I wonder if I

[1:39:12] can reshow the slides is that possible

[1:39:33] I can start answering while the slides

[1:39:34] are showing up so the five phases I was

[1:39:36] talking about so when you're talking

[1:39:38] stage one to stage three that would be

[1:39:40] the planning phase number one impact

[1:39:42] statement phase number two impact

[1:39:44] assessment phase number three so the

[1:39:47] planning phase really requires in order

[1:39:50] to start that the proponent has

[1:39:52] satisfied our uh requirements on what

[1:39:55] needs to be in in thank

[1:39:58] you

[1:40:00] oh I'm I'm am I controlling it okay

[1:40:05] thank you uh yes so phase one requires

[1:40:09] in order to start uh the initial project

[1:40:11] description has to contain the

[1:40:13] information that's required so Bruce

[1:40:15] Power has done that the information

[1:40:17] requirements were completed so then it

[1:40:19] was posted and started the other

[1:40:22] requirements for the component in that

[1:40:24] phase is to respond to the issues that

[1:40:26] will be sent to them the next is really

[1:40:29] on the agency and the cnsc with all of

[1:40:32] the participants to fulfill the

[1:40:34] requirements of information that we need

[1:40:36] to build the guidelines and those

[1:40:37] guidelines need to reflect the concerns

[1:40:40] that are on the record and address all

[1:40:41] of the areas that an impact assessment

[1:40:44] has to look at now the phase phase

[1:40:47] number two really is in the proponent

[1:40:49] hand uh there is uh in our legislation

[1:40:51] up to three years for a proponent to

[1:40:54] provide all of the information and

[1:40:56] studies from the guidelines so that is

[1:40:59] uh what I believe uh might have been

[1:41:00] referred to as uh being satisfied that

[1:41:04] all of the information studies required

[1:41:06] by the guidelines have been uh have been

[1:41:09] provided so that does include like uh as

[1:41:12] I was saying earlier a period where

[1:41:15] there is a public participation

[1:41:17] opportunity and there is a review of how

[1:41:20] much information has been provided and

[1:41:22] does it um meet the requirements of the

[1:41:24] guidelines when it's then in phase three

[1:41:27] once that say yes there is we're

[1:41:30] satisfied the information has been

[1:41:32] provided once that has been done then

[1:41:35] the assessment uh actually is referred

[1:41:37] to the independent review panel who will

[1:41:39] then test whether they have enough

[1:41:42] information to do the impact assessment

[1:41:44] report so their mandate might include to

[1:41:47] actually get information from other

[1:41:49] parties it's not limited to just a

[1:41:51] proponent and they will ask ask

[1:41:53] questions and as an independent

[1:41:55] independent body can test whether or not

[1:41:58] the what is provided information is uh

[1:42:00] sufficient and adequate and make

[1:42:02] recommendations accordingly where they

[1:42:04] might see gaps and

[1:42:09] uncertainties now thanks for clarifying

[1:42:11] that my second question was perhaps

[1:42:13] going back to councelor Stewart's

[1:42:16] initial remark we're looking at the

[1:42:18] public engagement portion of it and I

[1:42:19] appreciate that there is the opportunity

[1:42:21] for the public to effectively uh right

[1:42:23] in in terms of responses

[1:42:27] um part of the legislation requires it

[1:42:29] to be obviously meaningful consultation

[1:42:32] and how are you finding the engagement

[1:42:34] process when it's perhaps uh it's maybe

[1:42:38] not as straightforward for a lot of

[1:42:41] individuals to to complete that um

[1:42:44] because it it would seem that it doesn't

[1:42:45] meet them it wouldn't necessarily meet

[1:42:48] the legislative requirement of

[1:42:50] meaningful if it's becoming more

[1:42:52] problematic

[1:42:53] um or difficult for them to properly

[1:42:58] engage thank you through you mayor that

[1:43:01] is a very good question we really do our

[1:43:03] best to identify what obstacles exist

[1:43:05] for Meaningful engagement we've been

[1:43:07] very proactively trying to understand

[1:43:10] that with the community and we've had

[1:43:11] support from your we have had support

[1:43:14] pardon me from the municipality of

[1:43:15] Karden as well as uh Bruce County to

[1:43:19] identify where to go when to go we have

[1:43:21] identified already that we should spend

[1:43:23] the next month of July and all of the

[1:43:25] events around the community um but there

[1:43:27] are still example uh sorry obstacles

[1:43:29] that exist and really looking forward to

[1:43:31] hearing uh what your comments might be

[1:43:33] on that topic what the obstacles are in

[1:43:35] terms of potentially like language

[1:43:37] barriers and access to information so

[1:43:39] that we can plan to address those as

[1:43:41] part of our public participation

[1:43:44] plan thank you just a quick fup what

[1:43:47] what I was really thinking about is that

[1:43:49] there's certainly going to be uh certain

[1:43:51] communities and accessibility where

[1:43:52] that's going to we um create barriers in

[1:43:55] of itself um and I appreciate that

[1:44:00] allowing the opportunity or the forum

[1:44:02] for the for the public to engage is one

[1:44:04] thing in terms of trying to to satisfy

[1:44:07] the legislation um but the way the

[1:44:09] legislation is worded it's very clear

[1:44:11] that it's to be meaningful and I I'm

[1:44:12] just I'm grateful for the indication

[1:44:14] that you're trying to to get feedback on

[1:44:16] that because I I have that concern that

[1:44:18] it may not be meaningful if if people

[1:44:20] are either put off with the process um

[1:44:23] and aren't diligent in trying to find

[1:44:25] the supports that are necessary to get

[1:44:27] that

[1:44:30] completed thank you may for you uh yes I

[1:44:33] welcome those comments if you have any

[1:44:34] specific examples we would really love

[1:44:36] to hear about what we can do in that

[1:44:38] regard

[1:44:41] yes so

[1:44:44] the

[1:44:46] um I'll throw in a question here the uh

[1:44:51] process will

[1:44:54] uh the impact assessment process is

[1:44:56] asking for individuals and and ourselves

[1:44:59] and I know lots of agencies have put in

[1:45:02] these are the impacts that will uh be

[1:45:05] evident because of the proposed uh

[1:45:09] project and I'm wondering when uh the

[1:45:13] impact assessment agency receives them

[1:45:16] uh they start doing their investigation

[1:45:19] is it a process where uh you know

[1:45:23] a person might say it's going to impact

[1:45:25] my flower

[1:45:26] bed and and you say well okay we need to

[1:45:30] do some research to find that out do you

[1:45:33] do you I I know cnsc has a great team of

[1:45:36] uh scientists and researchers and all

[1:45:38] that to to do that that background work

[1:45:41] but the impact assessment agency does it

[1:45:44] have the uh the wherewithal to do the

[1:45:48] research to assess

[1:45:51] those perceived impact

[1:45:53] or do you receive a report and because

[1:45:56] we received it we believe it or or is

[1:45:59] the municipality like when we when we

[1:46:02] get um when we get requests for

[1:46:06] information uh is it incumbent upon us

[1:46:09] to have our staff do all the research

[1:46:11] and verify what was submitted or is that

[1:46:14] your job or or how where how does that

[1:46:17] process work please thank you through

[1:46:20] you um the that's it's a great question

[1:46:23] just let me just formulate my thoughts

[1:46:25] for a moment so the information that we

[1:46:27] receive on the record is not information

[1:46:30] that typically we generate so the impact

[1:46:32] assessment agency of Canada has multiple

[1:46:34] policies and uh technical guidelines on

[1:46:37] how to properly conduct impact

[1:46:39] assessments and we uh mainly rely on

[1:46:42] technical expertise from federal experts

[1:46:44] provincial experts and the rest of the

[1:46:46] information that is on the record

[1:46:48] including what is provided by the

[1:46:49] proponent and other participants as well

[1:46:51] as especially the CN in this case when

[1:46:54] it comes to a concern that's been

[1:46:56] provided by someone one of the first

[1:46:59] questions on the registry is one is it

[1:47:01] relevant to the project if it's not

[1:47:03] relevant to the project obviously the

[1:47:04] agency with the cnsc and when it's the

[1:47:06] panel would weigh that information

[1:47:08] accordingly if it is relevant to the

[1:47:10] project but there is a doubt or there is

[1:47:13] something on the record that indicates

[1:47:14] that the information might not be

[1:47:16] adequate and uh accurate then there is

[1:47:19] the possibility for the agency and the

[1:47:21] CNC to raise that concern and request

[1:47:24] the proponent to provide a response once

[1:47:27] the independent um integrated review

[1:47:30] panel is appointed they can then if

[1:47:32] they're not satisfied with the evidence

[1:47:33] on the record if there is a big

[1:47:35] discrepancy between what one party says

[1:47:38] versus another they can request external

[1:47:41] technical review if they don't feel like

[1:47:43] they have a reliable third party so

[1:47:46] that's that's kind of um an example of

[1:47:48] how it would

[1:47:49] work councelor hinchberger please thank

[1:47:52] you youer having worked for some time

[1:47:55] for the proponent that might not be

[1:47:57] obvious to a lot of people how the

[1:48:00] regulatory environment is very much such

[1:48:03] that the proponent has the obligation

[1:48:06] and the initiative to show the regulator

[1:48:09] the regulator doesn't generally do the

[1:48:11] work for the proponent the the the

[1:48:13] regulator specifies what's required and

[1:48:16] it's up to the proponent to do much of

[1:48:19] the analysis whether they can do it

[1:48:21] inhouse contracted out or whatever there

[1:48:23] I think that it was described earlier

[1:48:25] that the AA role is largely one of

[1:48:28] facilitator to make sure that the

[1:48:30] process has followed and from the

[1:48:32] nitty-gritty related to the technical

[1:48:33] parts that's where the Canadian nuclear

[1:48:35] safety commission would have the

[1:48:37] expertise to know what the proponent

[1:48:40] must provide to them in order to be

[1:48:43] reviewed there's a it's we we get a

[1:48:45] little mistake here because we're in a

[1:48:47] discussion here with iak and the cnsc

[1:48:50] when we're missing a stakeholder that's

[1:48:52] Central to the whole thing including the

[1:48:54] Lion Share of the work to be done which

[1:48:56] is the

[1:49:00] proponent there is there opportunity to

[1:49:03] comment or no no no that

[1:49:06] was uh councelor Stewart please thank

[1:49:09] you just to finish because a few people

[1:49:11] mentioned uh through you chair uh my

[1:49:14] name and everything else uh it's

[1:49:16] interesting because the

[1:49:19] municipality's issues are my issues too

[1:49:21] as an individual so it'll be interesting

[1:49:24] to see how they sort of deal with an

[1:49:26] individual but we could expand it to the

[1:49:29] municipality too example traffic and

[1:49:33] impact of traffic especially in the

[1:49:34] community right beside that impacts the

[1:49:37] municipality but it really impacts us so

[1:49:39] it'll be interesting to see how these uh

[1:49:42] submissions go and how you deal with

[1:49:44] them but I'm looking forward to it thank

[1:49:49] you okay Miss turot Mr Wy thank you so

[1:49:52] much for your presentations this evening

[1:49:54] from the impact assessment agency and uh

[1:49:57] Canadian nuclear safety commission we do

[1:50:00] appreciate the uh the guidance you've

[1:50:02] given us tonight thank you for the

[1:50:05] opportunity to come here thank

[1:50:08] you uh so we had a motion on the floor

[1:50:11] that we received presentation all in

[1:50:13] favor uh it's

[1:50:17] carried uh do you want your bio break

[1:50:20] now okay

[1:50:51] e e

[1:54:52] he folks folks I'd like to go home

[1:54:53] tonight so thank you you can bring your

[1:54:57] food back to the table but we're going

[1:54:59] to

[1:55:21] start

[1:55:51] e e

[1:57:05] okay here we

[1:57:10] go uh moving on in the agenda we have uh

[1:57:15] six

[1:57:17] 1B 2025 budget plan report we need a

[1:57:21] move in second

[1:57:24] uh that uh and this this is the fashion

[1:57:28] that we will go through this uh motion

[1:57:30] just so that you are aware we we have

[1:57:32] four very specific parts to this so uh

[1:57:37] with your permission we will we will get

[1:57:40] consensus on the first one and move on

[1:57:42] to the second one get consensus on the

[1:57:44] second one they are individual and

[1:57:47] separate and and you know even though we

[1:57:50] can put it in the context of budget and

[1:57:53] want to talk about trucks and capital

[1:57:56] purchases that's not the issue tonight

[1:57:58] here here's the four specific things so

[1:58:01] we need a mover and seconder the council

[1:58:02] received the 2025 budget plan report for

[1:58:05] information further the council approved

[1:58:07] the 2025 wage increase using the 12

[1:58:10] month July CPI of 2.5 as per human

[1:58:14] resources 03 compensation and benefits

[1:58:17] policy in the 2025 budget be drafted to

[1:58:19] incorporate the economic increase

[1:58:21] accordingly further the council approved

[1:58:23] direct or provide Direction on the

[1:58:25] maximum 2025 property tax increase

[1:58:28] inclusive of the annual Asset Management

[1:58:30] funding requirement of 3% and further

[1:58:33] the council direct staff on any proposed

[1:58:35] service level reductions or expansions

[1:58:37] for 20125 moved by

[1:58:40] counselors and Deputy Mayor Clark and

[1:58:42] councelor

[1:58:43] hinchberger all right so uh

[1:58:46] for uh focus without wandering around

[1:58:50] too much uh do you uh can we reach

[1:58:54] consensus that we receive this budget

[1:58:57] plan report for

[1:58:59] information

[1:59:02] okay uh next uh bullet here further the

[1:59:06] council approved the 2025 wage increase

[1:59:09] using the 12 Monon July CPI of 2.5 as

[1:59:12] per our compensation and benefits policy

[1:59:15] and it be incorporated in the uh draft

[1:59:18] budget uh accordingly

[1:59:22] okay we're good for

[1:59:24] that uh further the TA Council provide

[1:59:28] Direction on the maximum 2025 property

[1:59:30] tax rate increase inclusive of the

[1:59:32] annual Asset Management funding

[1:59:34] requirement

[1:59:35] 3% uh I'd like some direction from our

[1:59:38] man director of corporate

[1:59:40] services uh when I read this uh it

[1:59:46] wasn't what you're asking at this point

[1:59:49] is not based on empirical and and

[1:59:52] numerical evidence it's based on broadly

[1:59:55] speaking where we at in our thought

[1:59:58] process we we know that there we read

[2:00:01] your report we read the influences on

[2:00:03] our budget and I I think what you're

[2:00:07] saying is H do we agree with the 2 to

[2:00:09] four 4 to six 6 to8 8 to 10 that sort of

[2:00:13] thing is that is that what you're

[2:00:15] looking for director yeah through you

[2:00:17] mayor so um in the context of the report

[2:00:20] and the information that's provided and

[2:00:21] I do have a couple of updates to share

[2:00:23] with Council but um yeah everything that

[2:00:26] has been provided in the report is based

[2:00:27] on the existing service levels and the

[2:00:29] cost to continue providing the services

[2:00:31] that we are already providing the

[2:00:32] community so knowing what's in the

[2:00:35] report with respect to the expected tax

[2:00:37] rate increases um and I'll I'll provide

[2:00:40] my update now if that's okay or did you

[2:00:42] want me to wait uh no uh additional

[2:00:45] information is is a good thing so if you

[2:00:47] could if you could provide any factors

[2:00:50] that are influenc our our thought

[2:00:53] process one way or the other and if I

[2:00:55] heard you

[2:00:56] correctly um and and if I'm thinking the

[2:01:00] logically the way this goes we are we're

[2:01:03] thinking of that comfortable number

[2:01:07] politically correct number based on

[2:01:11] identical service levels from last

[2:01:14] year and if we adjust the service up or

[2:01:17] down then that changes the tax rate up

[2:01:19] or

[2:01:19] down so through you I would say like

[2:01:22] what is a realistic um tax rate increase

[2:01:25] if there's a maximum that Council wants

[2:01:27] because um so to proceed with my update

[2:01:30] so if we're looking at the chart that's

[2:01:32] provided in the report with respect to

[2:01:34] the total preliminary budget impacts um

[2:01:37] currently we have a it's just a

[2:01:40] preliminary there's lots of things that

[2:01:41] are still going to change but at this

[2:01:42] point in time we had an operating budget

[2:01:44] impact estimated at 1. 1633 million so

[2:01:47] what that means is an additional um Levy

[2:01:50] requirement of 1.63 3 million in some

[2:01:53] fashion whether it be taxes or through

[2:01:54] rate increases um and so that is

[2:01:58] currently sitting at a tax rate impact

[2:02:00] of

[2:02:01] 8.17% or a tax levy impact of 7% um the

[2:02:06] additional um information that we have

[2:02:08] is respect to the policing costs so we

[2:02:10] received the 2025 um op policing costs

[2:02:13] for next year and the uh it's projected

[2:02:17] to increase by

[2:02:19] $268,000 and the impact of that is .

[2:02:23] 37% um in addition um proceeding with

[2:02:26] the 2024 Market study um the impact of

[2:02:29] that is uh

[2:02:30] $270,000 and that's a 1.38% so if I was

[2:02:34] to recreate this template today um it

[2:02:37] would not be

[2:02:38] 8.17% it would be a starting point of

[2:02:42] 10.88% um so that would be my request to

[2:02:45] council is that understanding what the

[2:02:47] factors are in terms of our um pressures

[2:02:50] that we're seeing externally what is the

[2:02:52] reasonable or maximum rate increase um

[2:02:55] that you would be expecting of of staff

[2:02:58] to come back with for the budget um as

[2:03:00] well as Direction on whether that is to

[2:03:02] include a 3% Asset Management plan Levy

[2:03:05] unlike last year where that was not

[2:03:07] included so that's the kind of thing we

[2:03:09] would be looking for direction

[2:03:11] on any counselor like to begin the

[2:03:14] discussion on that one oh come

[2:03:17] on everybody has to tie their shoe right

[2:03:20] now don't they um councelor Blackwell

[2:03:22] how be you

[2:03:24] start uh thank you through you I don't

[2:03:26] think that this will be a surprise

[2:03:27] coming for me but um I certainly would

[2:03:29] like us to see um us funding our at

[2:03:32] least 3% um annual increase comp

[2:03:35] contribution for our amp I um advocated

[2:03:38] for it strongly last year I think it's

[2:03:39] incredibly important that we start with

[2:03:42] that as a

[2:03:45] base do you have a number number in your

[2:03:49] head that where you're

[2:03:51] where you're comfortable at starting or

[2:03:54] maximum number give us a or or if not

[2:03:57] you don't you can pass on it and wait

[2:03:59] till we go around again um looking at

[2:04:03] these figures and the sums that came

[2:04:05] forward politically I'm comfortable with

[2:04:08] as high as 8% um I'm not sure 100% how

[2:04:11] we're going to get there but certainly

[2:04:14] um I wouldn't necessarily want to see it

[2:04:16] over

[2:04:18] that councelor hinchberger please thank

[2:04:21] you to you ch I I have a Max increase

[2:04:24] ceiling of 8% with a target of seven

[2:04:27] that's inclusive of the 3% for uh Asset

[2:04:31] Management

[2:04:32] [Music]

[2:04:33] um I guess a lot comes down to trying to

[2:04:36] gauge based on very little public input

[2:04:39] what the appetite is for maintaining

[2:04:41] everything no matter how high it goes

[2:04:43] and we all I think have very different

[2:04:45] opinions about what we think the the

[2:04:47] appetite in the community uh is for that

[2:04:50] but uh yeah eight eight Max uh Target

[2:04:54] stretch Target of

[2:04:59] seven anyone

[2:05:01] else councelor Stewart please it

[2:05:04] wouldn't be tax time unless councelor

[2:05:06] Stewart talks about something through

[2:05:08] you chair I would uh recommend uh

[2:05:11] anywhere from the six to 8% Target um I

[2:05:14] think that would be fair I think the

[2:05:17] community understands that we're

[2:05:19] fighting some tough issues but but um

[2:05:22] they're they're getting to the point

[2:05:25] that uh their pocketbooks are getting

[2:05:28] tight too so you know 68 would be

[2:05:30] something that I would be able to agree

[2:05:32] to thank

[2:05:35] you boun st off

[2:05:38] great thank you through you chair I'm

[2:05:41] also aligned with like the six to 8%

[2:05:43] Mark um understanding we'd need to be at

[2:05:46] 8% one thing that I would just

[2:05:47] acknowledge is um thank you to the

[2:05:50] director for providing all the survey

[2:05:52] data that you did um I went through all

[2:05:54] the detailed comments and it doesn't

[2:05:57] look like there's an appetite to reduce

[2:05:59] any of the services that we currently

[2:06:01] have So based on that

[2:06:03] feedback it actually sound out like

[2:06:05] there was some desire to increase but I

[2:06:07] don't know that that's necessarily

[2:06:08] reflective of everyone so that would

[2:06:11] make me comfortable at that 8% to try to

[2:06:13] maintain what we're doing um I think

[2:06:15] it's a realistic number um so that's

[2:06:17] where I'm sitting

[2:06:21] councelor Cavanaugh thank you very much

[2:06:24] and through the chair I I I want to Echo

[2:06:26] counselor steinhoff Gray's comments

[2:06:27] about the survey data uh it of all the

[2:06:30] respondents it provides a very

[2:06:32] interesting picture especially with they

[2:06:34] fill in messages as well um it really

[2:06:37] seems across the board that a lot of

[2:06:39] people are in favor of maintaining and

[2:06:40] taking care of what we have um

[2:06:44] unfortunately that is going to cost a

[2:06:46] significant increase just to make that

[2:06:48] number work so if if we're throwing

[2:06:50] numbers on a wall I I don't think anyone

[2:06:53] would be on board with a double digit

[2:06:55] increase if you asked a member of the

[2:06:57] public to maintain things but I'm

[2:06:58] willing to go as high as

[2:07:04] 9.99 you know there were three numbers

[2:07:06] involved or

[2:07:07] not okay but only one before the decimal

[2:07:11] right

[2:07:14] on uh coun uh councelor pringer you

[2:07:18] haven't had a chance to speak yet thank

[2:07:21] you through your chair um well I too had

[2:07:25] reviewed the survey data and noticed

[2:07:27] that same Trend that there's it seemed

[2:07:30] like there was a little appetite for

[2:07:32] reducing most of our services at least

[2:07:35] um I've actually gotten extremely the

[2:07:38] opposite feedback in person from people

[2:07:41] so I struggle to reconcile those two

[2:07:43] things at the moment um I think that at

[2:07:47] this point in our term um I'm hoping

[2:07:52] counselors are a little more comfortable

[2:07:53] with

[2:07:54] being uh a little more assertive and and

[2:07:58] assertive and actually looking at our

[2:08:00] services and trying to figure out how we

[2:08:03] can be more efficient or effective in

[2:08:05] order to save some costs so we don't

[2:08:07] have to reduce the services themselves

[2:08:09] but maybe do them more effectively not

[2:08:12] that we do a bad job or staff does a bad

[2:08:14] job that's not what I'm saying there's

[2:08:15] always room for improvement in anything

[2:08:17] anyone does though so to look for

[2:08:20] efficiencies so that we can keep our um

[2:08:23] our tax rate increase as low as possible

[2:08:26] is what I'm looking for and uh I I

[2:08:30] struggle to go to go any higher than

[2:08:33] seven or eight that would be scary for

[2:08:34] me I mean I I know just like anyone else

[2:08:37] single income it's not easy to um have a

[2:08:41] huge jump but I also agree that uh the

[2:08:44] 3% for Asset Management uh fund is very

[2:08:47] important it's I struggled not putting

[2:08:49] that in last year so I think we need to

[2:08:50] do it and we just have to get creative

[2:08:52] this year uh creative in a way that we

[2:08:55] didn't last year we were creative last

[2:08:57] year in a couple ways but uh I think we

[2:08:59] gotta not repeat those we did that as a

[2:09:01] onetime fix I agree but creative in

[2:09:05] other ways

[2:09:08] than councelor Blackwell you had a

[2:09:11] question uh yes thank you my question

[2:09:14] was I through you was just related to

[2:09:16] when we may get updates I was just

[2:09:19] briefly looking at the um kind of

[2:09:22] summary sheet we had in the beginning of

[2:09:23] the 2024 budget and one of the um very

[2:09:29] uh favorable varibles perhaps was the um

[2:09:32] property tax assessment growth do you

[2:09:34] know when we find that out and what the

[2:09:36] impact may be considering the amount of

[2:09:38] building that we've been having

[2:09:40] lately so through you so that's actually

[2:09:42] one of the last things that is finalized

[2:09:44] when we get the final tax R and it's

[2:09:45] usually the end of the first week of

[2:09:47] December so because we're trying to have

[2:09:49] the um the first budget meeting a little

[2:09:51] B earlier this year I don't even know if

[2:09:53] I'll have that by the time the

[2:09:54] presentation is is put together I might

[2:09:56] have that as a speaking point but it may

[2:09:58] not be reflected in the

[2:10:03] documents okay so just from uh the

[2:10:07] comments that have been made around the

[2:10:09] table it um I would uh provide Direction

[2:10:15] I would offer the direction to our

[2:10:17] director of corporate services that the

[2:10:20] maximum 2025 property tax rate increase

[2:10:23] inclusive of inclusive of the annual

[2:10:26] Asset Management funding requirement uh

[2:10:28] I'm going to I'm going to put the number

[2:10:30] eight on

[2:10:31] it I've heard six to eight I've heard

[2:10:34] 9.99 but I you know broadly speaking the

[2:10:37] number 6 to8 so you can say that but I'm

[2:10:41] going to guess that the number is going

[2:10:42] to be eight if you if you provide that

[2:10:44] range the number is going to end up

[2:10:46] eight we're going to look at the

[2:10:48] assessment growth which will have an

[2:10:50] effect on the tax rate the next item is

[2:10:54] the service level uh uh reductions or

[2:10:58] expansions so there's there's that

[2:11:00] sleeve that's going to slide a little

[2:11:02] bit uh is comfortable is Council

[2:11:05] comfortable offering a uh a number of uh

[2:11:09] 8% for the tax

[2:11:13] rate 7 to 8%

[2:11:18] okay

[2:11:19] 7.99 okay

[2:11:22] uh as

[2:11:23] Council uh I I did not say in any way

[2:11:27] that that is the final tax rate I'm

[2:11:29] saying that's the direction that we're

[2:11:31] giving staff to create the draft budget

[2:11:35] in the 8% range uh councelor Stein off

[2:11:39] gray please um thank you through you

[2:11:41] chair I'm I'm quite comfortable with

[2:11:43] that as being our direction to staff I

[2:11:45] would be comfortable putting that

[2:11:46] forward as a number um the only thing I

[2:11:49] would ask is if there's an opportunity

[2:11:52] if we could I don't know whether it's a

[2:11:54] point where we have to provide direction

[2:11:55] to staff but I do think as a group we

[2:11:57] should be discussing some of the

[2:11:59] comments where they took the time to put

[2:12:01] um comments into the survey I

[2:12:02] categorized them I made categories and

[2:12:06] chunked them together so that I could

[2:12:08] look at them holistically based on the

[2:12:10] themes that were emerging and I do think

[2:12:12] that in preparation for our budget

[2:12:15] deliberations and that final number that

[2:12:17] we end up with we need to look at those

[2:12:19] concerns and considerations

[2:12:23] um is that the sort of thing through our

[2:12:25] cioo is that the sort of thing that uh

[2:12:28] the councelor could provide

[2:12:30] her uh spreadsheet or however you chunk

[2:12:33] them together no it's likely is it it's

[2:12:36] it's likely far more sophisticated than

[2:12:39] that I'm sorry that's that's that's my

[2:12:41] latest computer update my Commodore 64

[2:12:44] got to a spreadsheet and I'm so excited

[2:12:46] but if if you could no seriously if you

[2:12:50] could provide that to the CAO and you

[2:12:53] know if we could if we could

[2:12:55] categorize I could get it to Ping but it

[2:12:57] would never pong back it was awful uh if

[2:13:00] we could if we could get uh that those

[2:13:03] comments to be included as part of the

[2:13:05] budget discussion

[2:13:07] uh okay is

[2:13:09] that so um so just consensus that we're

[2:13:14] heading for the 7 to 8% range we good

[2:13:17] with that if so but that's it's not a

[2:13:20] motion it's just consent ensus I just

[2:13:21] want to see your hands

[2:13:24] okay uh further the last part of this is

[2:13:27] Council direct staff on any proposed

[2:13:29] service level reductions or expansions

[2:13:32] so if there are

[2:13:33] any uh service level uh expansions or uh

[2:13:39] contractions that you are thinking about

[2:13:41] at this point this is opportunity to

[2:13:43] raise them

[2:13:46] uh um one must be slightly sensitive

[2:13:50] what you talk about when you're saying

[2:13:53] we're going to get rid of this or that

[2:13:55] or something else but there are

[2:13:57] opportunities between now and uh uh our

[2:14:02] next budget meeting whereby the uh

[2:14:05] director says oh somebody somebody has

[2:14:08] has seen this as an area of efficiency

[2:14:12] Improvement or a service reduction or

[2:14:15] you know our community maybe needs to

[2:14:18] spend a little bit this year so that

[2:14:20] next year we get way more back or

[2:14:22] something like that you know if there's

[2:14:24] so I'm offering opportunity to present

[2:14:27] service level changes now or uh there

[2:14:31] must be a a manner in which they can do

[2:14:34] that subsequent to this meeting before

[2:14:36] our next because you know sometimes

[2:14:38] there there needs to be a seed planted

[2:14:40] and it doesn't grow until we get into

[2:14:42] the discussion councelor hinchberger

[2:14:44] please thank you through you chair I I

[2:14:46] had two uh I would have called them more

[2:14:49] adjustments and I can submit them

[2:14:52] separately one of them was to um alter

[2:14:55] the hours of operation at the concard

[2:14:57] Waste Management Center on one day a

[2:15:00] week in the summertime to shift it later

[2:15:03] say from 12 to 6 or 12 to 7 to provide a

[2:15:06] better level of service for people who

[2:15:08] work the traditional Monday to Friday 9

[2:15:10] to five jobs that was one uh I can wait

[2:15:13] my turn for or give the next one right

[2:15:14] now the other is uh I'd like to

[2:15:17] understand what's required to what I

[2:15:20] think would improve the efficiency of

[2:15:21] our seasonal bylaw enforcement by

[2:15:23] mobilizing them on bikes and to look at

[2:15:26] the way we deploy them the majority of

[2:15:28] the observations I've had from people

[2:15:31] throughout the year and myself is they

[2:15:33] tend to do whatever they do in pairs and

[2:15:36] I would just like to know what are the

[2:15:38] uh hurdles uh that would be necessary in

[2:15:42] order to say implement the couple of the

[2:15:44] things I

[2:15:45] described transportation and make them

[2:15:47] more efficient and uh have them uh work

[2:15:51] more independently of each other that's

[2:15:53] it that's

[2:15:54] mine and it was a suggestion that like

[2:15:58] ultimately didn't end up a lot more

[2:16:00] savings or anything but there were hours

[2:16:02] of operation for our Cemetery crew that

[2:16:06] you know it doesn't make a big

[2:16:07] difference as far as dollars and cents

[2:16:09] but it makes a big difference as far as

[2:16:12] uh quality of uh work work shifts you

[2:16:14] know so there's it doesn't always have

[2:16:17] to be uh dollars and cents if there is

[2:16:20] an improvement in in working conditions

[2:16:22] or or whatever those are all good things

[2:16:25] so we have short of any other service

[2:16:29] level comments we have

[2:16:33] uh another one uh councelor St offr

[2:16:37] please um thank you just one thing for

[2:16:41] consideration um when we talk about

[2:16:43] Waste Management because I know that a

[2:16:45] number of questions have been asked um

[2:16:48] and I don't want to negatively impact

[2:16:49] our attempts to keep a reasonable

[2:16:52] increase to our budget so um in

[2:16:56] clarifying that I continue to get

[2:16:58] questions about the ward 3 dump um and I

[2:17:01] know that was one of the few places

[2:17:02] where you could drop off brush for free

[2:17:05] um previous to so in addition to the

[2:17:07] hours of operation I think um one of the

[2:17:10] things I would like to look at is how

[2:17:12] whether or not there's

[2:17:13] flexibility in the hours of operation in

[2:17:16] which facilities we're at and when and

[2:17:19] if that that impacts us

[2:17:21] that's fine I just I'd like to

[2:17:23] understand it and consider it previous

[2:17:24] to our budget discussions just so that

[2:17:26] we have that on the table and one of the

[2:17:28] major themes that's come up even on

[2:17:30] social media and we all know I try to

[2:17:33] say off social media but the ReUse It

[2:17:36] Center a lot of folks did actually use

[2:17:38] that and they missed the service that it

[2:17:40] provided for them to get materials and

[2:17:42] so if there was a creative way to not

[2:17:44] lose control of that Center where we

[2:17:45] have garbage being dumped um as opposed

[2:17:48] to properly managed um but but had the

[2:17:51] good items that folks could leverage

[2:17:54] that need it in the community I I just

[2:17:56] I'd like to consider it as part of the

[2:17:57] budget as

[2:18:00] all uh Deputy Mayor please I'm actually

[2:18:04] wondering if it's going to be perhaps

[2:18:05] more efficient and effective for us to

[2:18:07] do this in writing prior to the next

[2:18:09] meeting um is there is that going to be

[2:18:11] the preference that we just sort of

[2:18:13] perhaps send um our

[2:18:16] suggestions prior to the next

[2:18:19] meeting I I appreciate that suggestion

[2:18:23] but there you know there is real value I

[2:18:26] believe in like there there are some

[2:18:29] things uh you know we're GNA we're going

[2:18:31] to talk about the landfill we're going

[2:18:33] to talk about hours of operation we're

[2:18:34] going to talk about efficiency there's

[2:18:37] uh I I do not disagree with submitting

[2:18:39] them in writing but I and maybe you

[2:18:42] should just to make sure that the

[2:18:45] director gets the intent of what you

[2:18:46] were talking about but there is real

[2:18:48] value in speaking out the changes that

[2:18:52] we might be thinking about so uh uh I

[2:18:56] think it's a both and if I might be so

[2:18:58] bold as to suggest that Deputy Mayor

[2:19:00] councelor Stewart you had your hand up

[2:19:02] please thank you very much for you chair

[2:19:04] are we GNA talk about the other two

[2:19:06] items that are attachment the Legacy

[2:19:08] fund and the uh full-time summary I know

[2:19:11] it's not part of the exact motion or the

[2:19:15] direction but they are sort of

[2:19:18] important uh they are important I concur

[2:19:21] but uh honestly they are not part of

[2:19:24] this motion so yes yes we will talk

[2:19:26] about them but it it's not going to be

[2:19:29] uh tonight on this councelor stof gray

[2:19:31] please thank you through you chair and

[2:19:33] this would be um for our director of

[2:19:36] Parks and Recreation behind me commun

[2:19:40] say versus sorry um thank you Council

[2:19:43] hburg um one of the other themes that

[2:19:46] came out in my Bing activity um some

[2:19:49] folks um again this isn't my own

[2:19:51] research but I think it's something we

[2:19:53] should look at they had acknowledged

[2:19:54] that we had 35 parks and 21 playgrounds

[2:19:57] and I have not confirm this information

[2:20:00] this was survey respondents um but one

[2:20:03] of the things they talked about is there

[2:20:04] a way to reconcile some of our Parks so

[2:20:07] that we are um putting really targeted

[2:20:10] Focus area on what we're doing in

[2:20:12] specific locations as opposed to trying

[2:20:14] to really overstretch ourselves with

[2:20:16] spraw um I don't know the answer to that

[2:20:18] question it might be that we want to

[2:20:20] maintain 35 and 21 um but I would be

[2:20:23] curious for staff's um opinion on that

[2:20:26] because one of the themes that seems to

[2:20:28] be coming out is what can we

[2:20:30] reconcile um so that we get the service

[2:20:32] we want without overextending ourselves

[2:20:34] and that theme um seems to be something

[2:20:37] that goes through all the different

[2:20:39] areas that we're looking at so um I

[2:20:42] think it's something we have to look at

[2:20:43] and even when we talk about like

[2:20:45] washroom maintenance and the different

[2:20:46] things there one of the things we talked

[2:20:48] about in our strategic meeting that I

[2:20:50] again think we need to look at is what

[2:20:53] cost we've had through vandalism and

[2:20:55] other situations because we haven't we

[2:20:57] have been too pulled I'm going to say

[2:21:00] too pulled to actually get our eyes on

[2:21:02] what we need to get our eyes on

[2:21:03] necessarily so I would really I would I

[2:21:06] would really appreciate the staff's

[2:21:08] thoughts on um the cost of our lack of

[2:21:13] presence um to understand whether

[2:21:15] increasing some Services May decrease

[2:21:17] costs on intended through um rectifying

[2:21:20] those situations so that is a lens I

[2:21:23] would like to see on that budget if

[2:21:25] that's

[2:21:29] possible kind of an efficiency

[2:21:31] thing uh Deputy Mayor we did you have

[2:21:34] another comment I could comment um I

[2:21:37] think one of my things will be um in

[2:21:40] relation to the accessibility I know

[2:21:41] that we were uh provided some funding to

[2:21:44] go through the catalog of issues and we

[2:21:46] are currently as the accessibility

[2:21:49] committee looking at um updating that

[2:21:52] catalog of issues and getting some work

[2:21:53] done I know that the last budget we were

[2:21:57] looking very much through a lenss of

[2:21:59] accessibility so I think for for me that

[2:22:01] will be certainly one where one of my

[2:22:03] focuses is this

[2:22:10] budget so we have the motion before us

[2:22:13] we've gone through the item by item we I

[2:22:16] believe we've reached consensus so we

[2:22:18] have a mover and secondary that we

[2:22:20] received the budget for information or

[2:22:22] the the report for

[2:22:24] information uh we uh approve the 2025

[2:22:28] wage increase using the July CPI of

[2:22:32] 2.5% uh We've provided Direction on the

[2:22:34] maximum 2025 property tax rate increase

[2:22:37] inclusive of the asset management

[2:22:40] funding and we uh have uh directed staff

[2:22:44] on any proposed service level reductions

[2:22:47] and we've also provided an option to

[2:22:49] provide any subsequent ones in writing

[2:22:52] or conversation if if that is your

[2:22:54] choice uh all in favor of the motion

[2:22:58] anyone opposed that's carried well

[2:23:01] done uh 2025 Consolidated rates and fees

[2:23:05] we need a moover and second that the

[2:23:06] council approve the proposed 2025

[2:23:08] Consolidated rates and fee schedule as

[2:23:10] outline in staff report Financial

[2:23:12] Services

[2:23:13] 20242 effect of January 1 2025 moved and

[2:23:17] seconded by councelor hinchberger and

[2:23:19] councelor Kavanaugh

[2:23:21] uh director would you like to speak to

[2:23:23] this or just wait for

[2:23:25] questions through you will wait for

[2:23:27] questions uh any questions councelor

[2:23:30] Stewart please thank you um it's quite a

[2:23:33] list it's quite a list um I think we

[2:23:36] need to make sure that the public

[2:23:38] realizes those sewer rates are going to

[2:23:40] go up

[2:23:42] 88.8% and the water rates will be

[2:23:44] increasing 6.9 so that's a fairly Hefty

[2:23:47] increase well I'm not saying it's not

[2:23:49] required it's probably more than

[2:23:51] required but it also needs to be taken

[2:23:54] out of this report and make sure the

[2:23:55] public understands that before they get

[2:23:57] their first invoice thank you very much

[2:23:59] for the recreational burn permit I don't

[2:24:02] quite understand it used to be

[2:24:04] 2066 it's now just $20 thank you very

[2:24:07] much saving myself 66 cents and I just

[2:24:10] have a general question when we were

[2:24:12] looking at the sewer rates and Sewer

[2:24:14] lagoons and tured and everything and

[2:24:17] this is just a general question does

[2:24:18] Bruce Power OPG are do they actually pay

[2:24:21] us sewer rates at that Lagoon you might

[2:24:24] not be able to answer it it might be a

[2:24:25] mark question thank you for you if

[2:24:29] you're speaking about the Bruce Energy

[2:24:30] Center customers yes we do have rates

[2:24:32] and fees that we do collect from the

[2:24:34] customers there actually I'm asking

[2:24:37] about the big Power Plant do they pay

[2:24:39] rates or do they use our

[2:24:41] Lagoon no

[2:24:54] so we do have our manager of

[2:24:57] Environmental Services markco ly online

[2:24:59] if there's any questions for him but

[2:25:02] other than that we have the motion on

[2:25:03] the floor all in favor anyone

[2:25:06] opposed that's

[2:25:09] carried uh debenture for concard and

[2:25:11] business Parklands at Highway

[2:25:14] 921 uh we need a moover and seconder

[2:25:16] that Council direct staff to finalize

[2:25:18] the debenture documentation in the

[2:25:20] amount of

[2:25:21] 2,626 th000 over a 5year term for the

[2:25:24] servicing cost for Highway 921 Business

[2:25:26] Park to convert the floating rate

[2:25:28] Capital loan through

[2:25:30] oilc to a debenture moved by

[2:25:33] counselors inberg and

[2:25:37] Keva uh director do you want to uh uh

[2:25:43] just give us a broad overview of what

[2:25:45] we're doing uh it's my understanding

[2:25:46] we're just completing direction that we

[2:25:48] had given staff previously that we were

[2:25:50] going to move ahead with this and and

[2:25:52] you had informed us this was the the the

[2:25:55] process and the direction uh okay well

[2:26:00] that's another way of putting it so uh

[2:26:02] are there any questions regarding this

[2:26:04] motion councelor hinchberger

[2:26:07] please um a couple um I was having a

[2:26:11] discussion with councelor Blackwell

[2:26:13] about this before the meeting just a

[2:26:14] couple checks were there options other

[2:26:16] than the uh five-year term and if there

[2:26:19] were what was the thought process behind

[2:26:21] that and the other is is there any

[2:26:23] opportunity if uh development occurs and

[2:26:26] we get those funds to uh pay off the

[2:26:30] debenture early or we constrained to the

[2:26:33] full life of

[2:26:36] it through you that's a good question um

[2:26:40] so that the fact that we actually cannot

[2:26:42] pay it down early is the reason why the

[2:26:45] staff recommendation is a five-year term

[2:26:47] um so if we did anything further like

[2:26:49] greater than that 10 years 20 years then

[2:26:51] we'll be having we' be forced to pay

[2:26:53] that for the full term or incur a

[2:26:55] significant penalty so that's the

[2:26:57] thought process behind the short

[2:26:59] fiveyear

[2:27:01] term uh councelor Blackwell you had a

[2:27:05] question uh thank you that was my

[2:27:08] question councelor Stewart thank you

[2:27:11] very much and through you

[2:27:13] chair I don't know what the feeling of

[2:27:15] the council is

[2:27:18] um these things are basically the

[2:27:21] interest over five years is a quar of a

[2:27:23] million dollars that comes out of

[2:27:25] basically

[2:27:26] taxpayers

[2:27:28] um and and we're a little premature

[2:27:31] because we really haven't talked about

[2:27:32] Bruce Telecom

[2:27:34] proceeds you know and I think that you

[2:27:36] know it's unfortunate because I the

[2:27:38] timing's not correct basically you have

[2:27:41] to have this thing wrapped up probably

[2:27:42] the interest rate will come down a bit

[2:27:44] because there's another Canada thing on

[2:27:46] the 28th of October and interest rates

[2:27:48] are going south the only problem is that

[2:27:51] we really need as a council to really

[2:27:54] figure out what we're going to do with

[2:27:55] the Bruce Telecom proceeds we could have

[2:27:58] lent them the money and we could

[2:28:00] actually take that interest back into

[2:28:02] our Bruce Telecom Legacy fund so you

[2:28:05] know it it is some consideration because

[2:28:08] you know as you're well aware with the

[2:28:11] proceeds and you did a great job on the

[2:28:12] other one showing all the proceeds and

[2:28:14] where they are interest rates are going

[2:28:17] down you know so you know we have 28 8

[2:28:20] million that probably down the road will

[2:28:22] be making two or 3% maybe it's time we

[2:28:25] sort of look at it especially during our

[2:28:27] time when we're going to look at the

[2:28:28] Legacy that we might start lending money

[2:28:31] to ourselves but paying back interest at

[2:28:34] a fair interest rate plus the principal

[2:28:37] instead of just leaving that money in

[2:28:39] the bank because right now we're

[2:28:40] borrowing it from somebody and giving

[2:28:42] them the proceeds and then you know I'm

[2:28:45] not sure if that really makes sense long

[2:28:46] term thank you

[2:28:50] director

[2:28:51] please so through you um so Council

[2:28:55] passed the bylaw for the Bruce Telecom

[2:28:57] Legacy fund policy um one of the guiding

[2:28:59] principles of that policy is to ensure

[2:29:02] the preservation of capital so depleting

[2:29:05] or withdrawing significant amount of

[2:29:07] funds would not be in alignment with

[2:29:09] that policy so therefore that would

[2:29:10] require a complete revision and redo of

[2:29:12] the policy prior to the end of the term

[2:29:15] of the um of the loan which is December

[2:29:18] so Council would have to make that

[2:29:19] decision quickly um with the respect to

[2:29:22] the comment about that there is

[2:29:24] uncertainty with what to do with the bru

[2:29:26] Telecom funds that is all documented in

[2:29:30] the policy um and it's clear about what

[2:29:33] the interest earnings can be used for um

[2:29:36] in terms of the timing as well and it's

[2:29:38] to fund uh a major Capital project and

[2:29:42] it's supposed to be decided upon during

[2:29:43] the annual budget process so with the

[2:29:46] first withdrawal that won't be able to

[2:29:47] be made until um later on next year and

[2:29:50] there's even an amount set out so I

[2:29:52] guess staff is somewhat confused about

[2:29:55] why um there's confusion about the fact

[2:29:58] that we haven't talked about the policy

[2:30:00] um so that's staff's

[2:30:02] perspective Stein offre please thank you

[2:30:05] through chair and just a clarification

[2:30:07] to the previous report you provided the

[2:30:09] 2025 budget plan report I thought I read

[2:30:11] a line in there somewhere saying that we

[2:30:14] wouldn't be able to do anything with the

[2:30:16] fund until the 3rd of May 2025 anyways

[2:30:21] um because you would need to wait a year

[2:30:23] after the initial Capital transfer so I

[2:30:26] just I'm clarifying that because that is

[2:30:28] another argument as to why we wouldn't

[2:30:30] be able to do this what's being

[2:30:32] suggested through you that's correct and

[2:30:35] we're still following the first year

[2:30:36] phase in Period so we're gradually

[2:30:38] making those transfers into the one

[2:30:40] investment fund as was stipulated under

[2:30:42] the uh the policy so to make changes now

[2:30:45] would be a significant deviation from

[2:30:47] what was approved by Council

[2:30:50] councelor hinchberger your hand up there

[2:30:52] please uh thank you

[2:30:55] um I think what I heard though as far as

[2:30:58] touching the capital of Bruce Telecom

[2:31:00] the perspective was that this would be

[2:31:02] an investment not that whereas we have

[2:31:06] the capital invested in a

[2:31:08] certain asset

[2:31:10] mix it wouldn't be taking the capital

[2:31:14] from it to do this it would be part of

[2:31:16] your Investment Portfolio would actually

[2:31:19] be a loan to yourself if I understand it

[2:31:26] correctly are you I'm not sure how you

[2:31:28] would do that without withdrawing money

[2:31:31] you're like unless you're unless

[2:31:32] council's proposing to use the interest

[2:31:34] earnings to pay for the annual

[2:31:42] payments yeah if I may I I think uh

[2:31:45] rather than uh solely investing the

[2:31:48] money in in one in Investments which is

[2:31:50] the the brand name uh like uh I think

[2:31:54] councelor hinchberger correct me if I'm

[2:31:55] wrong was suggesting that uh it might be

[2:31:58] appropriate and I think councelor

[2:32:00] Stewart's comment was something the same

[2:32:03] was that uh part of the

[2:32:06] investment rather than gold or buildings

[2:32:09] or something part of the investment is

[2:32:12] infrastructure so part of your was that

[2:32:14] the suggestion that

[2:32:17] you're yeah so uh having said that I I'm

[2:32:22] I'm going to uh just refer back to our

[2:32:25] policy again which does not provide us

[2:32:29] the opportunity to make any withdrawals

[2:32:31] of any sort from the Bruce Telecom

[2:32:34] Legacy fund until May of next

[2:32:37] year is that is that

[2:32:42] what can you clarify that for me

[2:32:45] director please so that would be for the

[2:32:48] interest earnings for the interest

[2:32:50] earnings um but the policy spe is

[2:32:53] specific in terms of the Legacy fund

[2:32:54] investment asset mix and it's clearly

[2:32:57] states ultimately at the end of the

[2:32:59] transition period zero in cash 5%

[2:33:04] maximum it's specific with one

[2:33:06] investment Canadian Equity portfolio

[2:33:08] there's targets as well as the fixed

[2:33:11] income one Canadian corporate bonds and

[2:33:13] government bonds so everything is as per

[2:33:16] what was approved in the policy so if

[2:33:17] Council wishes to deviate from the

[2:33:19] policy

[2:33:20] that's something that Council can do

[2:33:22] it's just not a recommendation of staff

[2:33:24] so the policy precludes investment in

[2:33:27] things other

[2:33:29] than what's uh stated in the policy

[2:33:33] which is through one

[2:33:36] investment uh it it doesn't allow us to

[2:33:38] make investments using the principle in

[2:33:42] uh in infrastructure or trucks or stuff

[2:33:45] like

[2:33:46] that or loans correct okay thank

[2:33:51] you

[2:33:52] yeah uh councelor

[2:33:55] Stewart thank you it's it's through you

[2:33:58] chair it's interesting because we're

[2:34:00] sort of talk about the policy over here

[2:34:02] we are the policy we make policy uh we

[2:34:05] can actually change policy with a vote

[2:34:07] of I guess five of us um it is a thought

[2:34:12] you know I know that you know when we

[2:34:14] first got the funds we needed to put

[2:34:16] them away and really sort of think about

[2:34:18] it and that's part of the whole whole

[2:34:19] thing I brought up tonight we need to

[2:34:21] really start to think about this if

[2:34:24] we're loaning $8 million from somebody

[2:34:26] we're paying somebody a half a million

[2:34:28] dollars a year in interest you know why

[2:34:30] shouldn't we be paying ourself and not

[2:34:33] depleting our principal we still have

[2:34:35] the principal because we have to still

[2:34:37] pay back the interest plus the principal

[2:34:38] to the fund and so you know I think it'd

[2:34:41] be you know we're sitting here with $28

[2:34:44] million and we're going to go out and

[2:34:46] borrow some money from an outside

[2:34:48] company and pay them the interest

[2:34:50] maybe we can't do it now but we really

[2:34:52] have to think about that and maybe start

[2:34:54] to restructure our policy to allow this

[2:34:57] kind of activity to take place uh

[2:35:00] because I don't want to see us borrowing

[2:35:02] money from outside when we could borrow

[2:35:04] from inside and still maintain our

[2:35:07] policy of keeping the principle than you

[2:35:10] C St offra please thank you through you

[2:35:13] chair um I'd just like to clarify um a

[2:35:17] question because I I think it with the

[2:35:20] the direction this has taken I think

[2:35:22] it's worth asking have we already

[2:35:25] invested some of those funds because

[2:35:27] there could be penalties from backing

[2:35:29] away from that too so I'm just curious

[2:35:31] based on I know you outlined what we're

[2:35:33] allowed to invest in through the policy

[2:35:35] um have we made any Investments to

[2:35:37] current date because I don't want to

[2:35:40] revert ourselves if we have a

[2:35:43] term so through you so yes so there was

[2:35:46] a schedule attached to the budget plan

[2:35:47] report that's the schedule of the Legacy

[2:35:49] fund Holdings as of August 30th um and

[2:35:52] there are some gic's that have in

[2:35:55] invested into as well as one Canadian

[2:35:56] government bonds and corporate bonds and

[2:35:58] Canadian equities as per the transition

[2:36:00] policy um there is also cash available

[2:36:04] because that cash is being gradually

[2:36:05] transferred over into the one investment

[2:36:11] fund followup

[2:36:13] please followup please councelor St off

[2:36:16] great yeah of those gic's um and

[2:36:18] government bonds that we've invested in

[2:36:20] is there a term

[2:36:22] Associated through you so no there's

[2:36:25] some some suggested terms of how long

[2:36:27] you should be holding on to those in

[2:36:29] order to see the benefit of growth um

[2:36:31] some of them are between 18 months and

[2:36:33] three years um some are four plus years

[2:36:36] and some are even longer term than that

[2:36:38] and we do have gic's currently that are

[2:36:41] uh two years some are 12 months some are

[2:36:42] 18 months so they're staggered so that

[2:36:44] they all don't mature at the same

[2:36:48] time Mr Stewart please just to clarify

[2:36:51] and to help everyone out um if you take

[2:36:54] a look at the proceeds the initial

[2:36:57] investment we have a CIBC highin savings

[2:37:00] account which is basically cash and it's

[2:37:03] 13.5 million thank

[2:37:07] you okay so I uh appreciate that Council

[2:37:13] looked at

[2:37:15] the uh the value of stability when we uh

[2:37:19] invested These

[2:37:21] funds uh there was a specific plan

[2:37:24] moving forward I

[2:37:27] uh would encourage you to maintain that

[2:37:31] that stability even on the short term

[2:37:34] it's it's not that I disagree with the

[2:37:36] concept of internal borrowing that's

[2:37:38] that's not what I'm saying but this uh

[2:37:41] Legacy fund is there for a reason to

[2:37:43] provide stability for a long time and uh

[2:37:48] um I'm just going to ask for Council

[2:37:51] vote on this that oh councelor pranger

[2:37:54] go ahead yeah you haven't spoken to

[2:37:56] it thank you through you chair

[2:37:59] um I actually agree with councelor

[2:38:01] Stewart on this one um thanks uh

[2:38:07] so and anyone can correct me I don't

[2:38:10] want to speak for the other counselors

[2:38:11] but I know when this policy came about

[2:38:15] um it sort of felt at least to me that

[2:38:17] we were under a bit of a crunch we had

[2:38:20] to decide what to do with it and none of

[2:38:22] us are investment bankers or Prof

[2:38:24] investment professionals so uh and what

[2:38:27] our um director recommended for what we

[2:38:31] how we write this policy and what we

[2:38:32] invest in made complete sense to me at

[2:38:34] the time it seemed very reasonable this

[2:38:37] opportunity was not present at the time

[2:38:39] or um this need wasn't present at the

[2:38:42] time so it wasn't considered and I agree

[2:38:44] that as Council we are the policy makers

[2:38:47] and we do have capability of changing

[2:38:50] our policies if we see that there could

[2:38:52] be a benefit to doing so um I think in

[2:38:55] this instance we actually have an

[2:38:57] opportunity here and something we should

[2:39:01] consider councelor hinchberger please

[2:39:04] tried my best to rapidly pull up the

[2:39:06] Bruce Telecom Legacy fund there's a

[2:39:09] section in Municipal investment

[2:39:10] framework a municipality May invest its

[2:39:12] funds in accord with with oeg for 3897

[2:39:16] which outlines a very fairly limited set

[2:39:18] of convert conserva investment

[2:39:20] instruments that it can do I guess a

[2:39:24] pertinent question would be is the where

[2:39:27] this line of thought is going would that

[2:39:29] be in compliance or not in compliance

[2:39:31] with the reg because if it's not it's a

[2:39:33] moot point we couldn't do it anyways for

[2:39:36] you so it's independent of the

[2:39:38] regulation it's not an investment it's a

[2:39:39] loan to ourselves so we're just

[2:39:40] borrowing

[2:39:41] internally um so it's outside of that

[2:39:44] regulation okay so they wouldn't get as

[2:39:47] far as the government is concerned with

[2:39:48] the regul they wouldn't consider this

[2:39:51] ambass

[2:39:55] thanks okay so we have uh motion that

[2:39:58] Council direct staff to finalize the

[2:40:00] debenture documentation the amount of uh

[2:40:03] 2,626 th000 over fiveyear term for the 9

[2:40:06] and 21 Business Park to convert the

[2:40:08] floating rate to a debenture it was

[2:40:11] moved by

[2:40:13] sorry councilors hinchberger and

[2:40:16] Kavanaugh all in

[2:40:17] favor opposed

[2:40:19] and that

[2:40:22] carried revisions to uh

[2:40:27] policy PD 1.2 plans of subdivision

[2:40:30] development uh we need a mover and

[2:40:32] seconder that Council adop the policy

[2:40:34] number deev O2 complete with appendix a

[2:40:38] being the subdivision agreement and

[2:40:40] appendix B Municipal development and

[2:40:42] servicing guidelines moved by

[2:40:45] counselors hinchberger

[2:40:47] and Clark

[2:40:49] Deputy Mayor

[2:40:51] Clark uh any

[2:40:53] discussion uh councelor Blackwell

[2:40:57] please uh thank you through you I

[2:40:59] appreciate the reference to the cycling

[2:41:01] master plan um but I had uh maybe two

[2:41:04] questions first was around our official

[2:41:08] plan asking for sidewalks on both sides

[2:41:11] of collector roads um and wondering

[2:41:15] whether that's been included Within

[2:41:16] These recommendations and the other is

[2:41:19] whether there's any kind of reference to

[2:41:21] Trail connections for new

[2:41:25] subdivisions I see our director of uh

[2:41:28] infrastructure and development on uh

[2:41:31] online here uh good evening director

[2:41:34] would you like to comment on that

[2:41:36] please thank you through you mayor Craig

[2:41:39] um so the the first element uh in

[2:41:41] relation to where we you know where

[2:41:44] we're installing sidewalks uh

[2:41:47] unfortunately without having the

[2:41:48] opportunity to look at kind of both of

[2:41:50] those in in advance of this meeting I

[2:41:52] can't say confidently but um what I can

[2:41:55] tell you is that the approach generally

[2:41:57] is that you know we're only putting

[2:41:59] sidewalks um on both sides in in

[2:42:02] appropriate locations but again I'd have

[2:42:03] to refer back to the other documents and

[2:42:06] just not prepared to comment on that uh

[2:42:08] here this evening um uh the uh the

[2:42:12] second um uh sorry counselor Blackwell

[2:42:15] can you uh can you uh State what the

[2:42:17] second was again

[2:42:19] yes sorry um thanks it was about Trail

[2:42:22] connections um and whether that's been

[2:42:24] Incorporated at all into the

[2:42:26] recommendations thank you very much and

[2:42:29] through you mayor Craig uh the the

[2:42:31] second component um historically we did

[2:42:34] not have you know a lot associated with

[2:42:37] Trails uh in terms of what what we would

[2:42:39] look at in guidelines and even you know

[2:42:41] subdivision agreements so over the last

[2:42:44] five six years we've started really

[2:42:47] incorporating trails and establishing

[2:42:49] what the criteria is in terms of uh you

[2:42:52] know usage for materials and

[2:42:53] connectivity and everything so there is

[2:42:56] some detail in there but uh I'm not

[2:42:58] certain if it's you know if it if it's

[2:43:01] sufficient to what uh what you may be

[2:43:03] looking for but there is some reference

[2:43:04] in the

[2:43:11] guideline so we are received uh the

[2:43:14] report uh seeing no more questions we

[2:43:18] have uh mover and seconder the council

[2:43:20] adopt policy complete with appendex a

[2:43:23] being the subdivision agreement and

[2:43:25] Municipal development services and

[2:43:27] guidelines all in favor anyone

[2:43:30] oppos that's carried Sledge removal

[2:43:33] Environmental Services 2024 or 27 we

[2:43:37] need a moover and seconder the council

[2:43:39] approve a 2024 budget amendment to

[2:43:42] accelerate a project for Sledge removal

[2:43:44] from both the titon and or the conard

[2:43:47] and tton Lagoon sites at a cost of

[2:43:50] 680,000 funded from the sewer Reserve

[2:43:52] fund

[2:43:54] 67 moved by councelor Kavanaugh and

[2:43:57] Stein off gray uh

[2:44:02] discussion councelor hinchberger please

[2:44:05] uh thank you to you mayor uh it strikes

[2:44:08] me as maybe it's a coincidence that the

[2:44:12] both the conard wastewater treatment

[2:44:13] plant and the Bruce Energy Center

[2:44:15] wastewater treatment plant that were

[2:44:16] built at very different times and are

[2:44:18] about 20 K apart seem to be having a a

[2:44:22] degrading Trend in total suspended

[2:44:24] solids uh over

[2:44:26] 2024 and other than like Capital changes

[2:44:29] that might be playing a role here have

[2:44:32] there been any changes in operating

[2:44:34] practices at those uh two plants uh in

[2:44:37] this year that's my first

[2:44:41] question good evening to you mayor Craig

[2:44:44] um there hasn't been any significant

[2:44:46] changes councelor hinchberger to um the

[2:44:49] overall I guess process will start with

[2:44:52] the kardan site um as many of you are

[2:44:54] aware there was an ation upgrade done

[2:44:56] there in uh

[2:44:58] 2022 um that project has not yielded the

[2:45:03] results that uh we're hoping for and the

[2:45:06] the majority of the problem with that

[2:45:08] project right now is the new Iration

[2:45:10] system that we have installed is

[2:45:13] actually I would say somewhat plugged or

[2:45:17] isn't running as as efficiently is we'd

[2:45:19] like it uh to produce the dissolved

[2:45:22] oxygen that we need through the

[2:45:23] treatment process um when I say plugged

[2:45:27] that would be a combination of solids

[2:45:29] like sludge but it is also plugged with

[2:45:32] a combination of uh rags and things that

[2:45:34] are not uh deteriorating in our uh cells

[2:45:39] which are now kind of somewhat covering

[2:45:41] our air our our air Raiders and in

[2:45:44] particular the fine bubble component of

[2:45:46] those air Raiders uh at the be C site we

[2:45:49] haven't had any significant changes at

[2:45:52] all um as far as overall uh operations

[2:45:57] uh we have made some tweaks at both

[2:45:59] sites uh to chemical uh dosing um we've

[2:46:02] also worked at the tton site to ensure

[2:46:05] compliance through the business park so

[2:46:07] early in the spring we did Chase down

[2:46:10] some uh samples from some of our sources

[2:46:14] in the business park and some of those

[2:46:16] weren't in compliance with what our

[2:46:19] sewer bylaw is uh so we did some PR in

[2:46:23] those sites to uh both hand out the

[2:46:26] bylaw and then ensure uh compliance and

[2:46:29] we have continued to sample some of

[2:46:31] those sites to ensure that uh results

[2:46:34] have gotten better and and they have

[2:46:35] improved throughout the

[2:46:39] year uh thank you my second question is

[2:46:41] more about um I read the environmental

[2:46:43] compliance approval for the Bruce Energy

[2:46:46] Center wastewater treatment plant and

[2:46:48] there's there's generally the the

[2:46:50] distinction between effluent objectives

[2:46:52] and effluent uh limits or requirements

[2:46:55] and we look like we're outside of the

[2:46:58] affluent limits requirements which gets

[2:47:00] us into things which can be like are

[2:47:02] legally enforceable so my question is

[2:47:05] like under the Environmental Protection

[2:47:06] act there is the concept of

[2:47:08] environmental penalties and there's an

[2:47:10] environmental penalties regulation I

[2:47:12] guess my question generally is is are

[2:47:15] municipal uh facilities like this still

[2:47:19] uh subject to the potential for

[2:47:21] environmental penalties or are we

[2:47:24] exempt uh through you mayor Craig so uh

[2:47:28] the municipality is not exempt from

[2:47:30] those types of penalties um as you're

[2:47:34] aware through the compliance report and

[2:47:36] there's one coming again later that on a

[2:47:38] on a monthly basis we report these to

[2:47:40] the ministry of uh environment

[2:47:42] conservation and Parks um we have a site

[2:47:46] specific inspector for those sites uh so

[2:47:49] he is personally uh emailed each month

[2:47:52] um that we remain out of compliance so

[2:47:54] we are not IM we're not immune to the

[2:47:57] fines uh however the ministry is more

[2:47:59] likely to look at um what the

[2:48:02] municipality is doing as far as a

[2:48:03] proactive approach um

[2:48:06] you're a project like this where we're

[2:48:08] looking to be proactive and start to

[2:48:10] deal with some of these issues um in my

[2:48:13] experience the ministry is very

[2:48:15] receptive of those and and provide some

[2:48:18] lenience

[2:48:19] um but if we were to choose to do

[2:48:21] nothing and just remain out of

[2:48:22] compliance um they're more likely to

[2:48:25] implement um orders um to get these

[2:48:29] things in compliance as opposed to

[2:48:34] fines councelor Stein off gray please um

[2:48:38] through you chair just kind of building

[2:48:40] off of the questions of councelor Stuart

[2:48:43] um one of the things that I noticed was

[2:48:46] um obviously August we were

[2:48:49] significantly over um for King Carden

[2:48:52] 52.5 mg per liter um and then September

[2:48:56] up to

[2:48:57] 68 um we seem to be inclining and we're

[2:49:00] already exceeding what we're allowed for

[2:49:03] suspended solids so I guess my question

[2:49:06] is I don't see a date for when this

[2:49:08] works happening in

[2:49:10] 2025 and is there a plan to try to pull

[2:49:13] it Forward because if anything we've had

[2:49:16] relatively stable numbers until we

[2:49:18] didn't so we were always well under our

[2:49:20] exceedence like when you look back at

[2:49:22] 2023 it's very like it's very level like

[2:49:26] the numbers are very there's no real

[2:49:28] movement up or down it's very stable

[2:49:31] stable State and now we have this

[2:49:33] inclining trend um so I guess my

[2:49:35] question is how far can we incline

[2:49:37] before we have to ramp up the work

[2:49:39] because I I I I'm not confident that it

[2:49:42] would be unlikely that we're not going

[2:49:45] to have another increase when we do our

[2:49:46] samples for the next month based on

[2:49:48] what's happening so I see this activity

[2:49:51] as must do um to course correct but are

[2:49:55] is there a situation where we might need

[2:49:57] to try to bring this work forward and

[2:49:59] will the weather imple like will the

[2:50:01] weather impact us for getting this done

[2:50:03] because we're going into winter I just I

[2:50:05] would like to understand the time frame

[2:50:06] because I didn't see

[2:50:09] dates sure and through you mayor Craig

[2:50:12] so the reason that we've brought the

[2:50:14] report forward tonight is to try to

[2:50:16] accelerate this um we are we're hoping

[2:50:19] to procure the project which I would say

[2:50:21] would uh is going to take uh a bit of

[2:50:25] time here and and mother nature does

[2:50:27] play an impact on uh Wastewater sites so

[2:50:31] um the likelihood of getting this

[2:50:33] project completed in 2024 or even

[2:50:36] through the winter months it is is just

[2:50:39] isn't going to happen um so the idea

[2:50:42] here is that accelerating the project

[2:50:44] would get us first in the queue and be

[2:50:46] ready to go for 2025

[2:50:49] um my expectation would be because of

[2:50:51] the new aeration cell in kardan it

[2:50:54] should produce enough air through the

[2:50:56] winter to keep that pond open so it

[2:50:58] doesn't freeze over um the the

[2:51:02] projection to get the sludge out of that

[2:51:03] pond would be about three weeks I would

[2:51:05] hope we could be in there like April 1st

[2:51:09] uh and out of there by mid to late April

[2:51:11] and then at that point um we would hope

[2:51:14] that the becc pawns had opened up um and

[2:51:17] that we didn't have ice there that we

[2:51:19] would go directly to the becc site um

[2:51:22] based on the sludge there I think that

[2:51:24] project was was going to be closer to a

[2:51:26] month um if not five weeks to complete

[2:51:28] all the works up there as well uh so the

[2:51:31] goal would be to have these projects

[2:51:33] wrapped up by the end of May um we've

[2:51:35] already been in contact with the

[2:51:37] ministry to inform them that these uh

[2:51:40] projects are on the radar for us uh the

[2:51:42] reason for the for the information is

[2:51:45] because quite often when you do these

[2:51:46] projects your results actually

[2:51:49] um get stirred up so we're we're working

[2:51:51] to produce um some contingency plans to

[2:51:55] do everything we can um but yeah that

[2:51:58] we're looking hopefully to be completed

[2:52:00] by the end of May next year which

[2:52:02] somewhat aligns with uh when we really

[2:52:04] started to experience odor issues in

[2:52:06] King Carden this

[2:52:09] year counc Story

[2:52:12] please thank you through you chair I'm

[2:52:14] sort of laughing um for the seven years

[2:52:17] I've been on Council I don't think I've

[2:52:18] talked so much about lagoons in my life

[2:52:21] and I'm learning much more than I really

[2:52:23] need to learn but uh Mark you're doing a

[2:52:25] good job um the only problem I'm having

[2:52:27] is it doesn't sound like uh uh we maybe

[2:52:31] should have noticed this a little

[2:52:33] earlier but uh how many times do we have

[2:52:36] to take the Sledge out of these lagoons

[2:52:38] I mean is it a yearly thing or is it

[2:52:40] every five years because you mentioned

[2:52:42] in your executive summary you asked if

[2:52:45] anyone wanted it and nobody wants it so

[2:52:48] not sure where you're going to put it

[2:52:50] you know but uh you know it seems to be

[2:52:52] an ongoing problem and we've invested

[2:52:55] quite a bit in some of these lagoons you

[2:52:57] think once we get the sludge out some of

[2:52:59] those apparatuses will work a little bit

[2:53:01] we got infrared we have this we have

[2:53:03] that um help me out with a sort of a

[2:53:06] future what you're predicting thank

[2:53:09] you sure and through you mayor Craig

[2:53:13] so counselor St the the tendency for

[2:53:16] this type of work used to be land

[2:53:18] application

[2:53:19] um so very similar to agricultural um

[2:53:22] practices but those practices for the

[2:53:26] amount of sludge we have and um are just

[2:53:30] not practical we I wouldn't even want to

[2:53:32] guess what we would need for acreage but

[2:53:33] if if I were to guess I would guess

[2:53:35] somewhere between two and 3,000 acres is

[2:53:37] what would be needed for what we have in

[2:53:39] all these ponds uh in a past life I've

[2:53:42] had great success with a technology

[2:53:44] called geot tubes and what the geot

[2:53:46] tubes do is you pump your sludge into

[2:53:49] hard woven bags that dewat so the water

[2:53:53] actually goes back to the ponds and then

[2:53:55] you collect the um solids in the uh in

[2:54:01] the bags so I'm sure you guys can all

[2:54:04] envision this but when you flush the

[2:54:06] toilet there there's a lot of water goes

[2:54:07] down the toilet and there's not a lot of

[2:54:09] solids um so what we've done is you add

[2:54:12] the polymer you capture the solids uh

[2:54:15] you let it dewater and it works similar

[2:54:17] to an ice cube that you leave in in your

[2:54:19] freezer for too long where it shrinks

[2:54:21] through a cold period freezes shrinks

[2:54:23] and the idea would then be to move those

[2:54:26] solids at this point to landfill for

[2:54:28] cover or for final um application for

[2:54:31] like trying to grow top soil or

[2:54:33] something on a capped landfill um it

[2:54:35] works with great success um and that

[2:54:38] would probably be the the option we

[2:54:40] would be looking at for procurement here

[2:54:43] long term I would suggest uh easily um

[2:54:47] that you would be looking at an

[2:54:49] additional I would say with ease 30 to

[2:54:52] 40 Years of um probably very little

[2:54:57] problems in the large ponds in King

[2:54:59] Carden based on the findings of the

[2:55:01] small pond in King cardan we're

[2:55:03] projecting that it should probably be

[2:55:04] cleaned every 10 years um and the becc

[2:55:08] site to our knowledge has never had any

[2:55:10] sludge removal taken out of it um but

[2:55:13] typically once you do the sludge removal

[2:55:15] um they they come back to a really good

[2:55:17] useful life and and then you're just

[2:55:19] looking at upgrades to your airra

[2:55:21] equipment and blowers and things of that

[2:55:22] nature but I would suspect once we get

[2:55:25] these Sledge projects done um that that

[2:55:28] we would see improved results and

[2:55:30] long-term good

[2:55:32] results thank you

[2:55:36] Mark we have a uh motion on the floor to

[2:55:40] approve 2024 budget amendment the amount

[2:55:43] of

[2:55:45] 680,000 for Sledge removal all in favor

[2:55:49] and that is carried uh at this point I'd

[2:55:52] like to uh recuse myself from the chairs

[2:55:55] uh regarding this next uh notice of

[2:55:57] motion prior to the meeting and uh

[2:56:00] Deputy Mayor is going to uh run the

[2:56:04] meeting

[2:56:21] oh yeah

[2:56:35] see okay so we we have a

[2:56:39] motion we're at section

[2:56:41] 2171 of the municipal act 2001

[2:56:44] authorizes a local municipality to

[2:56:46] change the composition of its Council

[2:56:48] and whereas a consultant could provide

[2:56:50] unbiased options for changes to the

[2:56:52] council composition and whereas a

[2:56:54] consultant could provide options that

[2:56:55] ensure legal principles are being

[2:56:57] followed

[2:57:02] and where is a consultant can host

[2:57:04] Community conversations including public

[2:57:06] open houses and workshops and now

[2:57:09] therefore be it resolve that Council

[2:57:11] including the 2025 budget

[2:57:14] deliberations 12,000 for hiring

[2:57:16] consultant to review and provide

[2:57:18] recommendations specifically on the

[2:57:20] number of members which would comprise

[2:57:22] the Council of the corporation of the

[2:57:24] municipality of ke carten following the

[2:57:26] 2026 election moved by mayor Ken Craig

[2:57:30] and seconded by councelor kavanau any

[2:57:38] discussion mayor

[2:57:41] Craig uh through you deputy mayor uh

[2:57:44] there are three main reasons for uh this

[2:57:46] motion with the ultimate intention of

[2:57:48] reducing the number of counselors

[2:57:50] elected in the 2026 election and Beyond

[2:57:54] uh the first is uh government

[2:57:56] efficiency

[2:57:58] um it's it's just a empirical sort of

[2:58:01] thing that seven counselors reduces

[2:58:04] staff time communicating with Council

[2:58:06] resourcing councel information packages

[2:58:09] preparations all those sorts of things

[2:58:12] uh the intent of this motion second

[2:58:14] reason maintains the ward system uh but

[2:58:18] still provides broad representation uh

[2:58:20] throughout the municipality and the

[2:58:22] third reason that uh I'd like to

[2:58:24] highlight is the fiscal responsibility

[2:58:27] our budget includes plus minus $40,000

[2:58:31] per counselor per

[2:58:32] year uh uh you

[2:58:36] would drop at least two your $80,000

[2:58:40] reduction uh depending on what the

[2:58:42] recommendation comes back from the uh

[2:58:46] consultant uh you return on investment

[2:58:48] is three months two months uh you don't

[2:58:51] get it till the next year but uh it's an

[2:58:53] ongoing saving so that is those are the

[2:58:56] three main reasons why I would suggest

[2:58:58] uh this is a good efficiency move for

[2:59:01] our

[2:59:04] municipality any other questions or

[2:59:06] comments uh councelor Stuart thank you

[2:59:09] and through your Deputy Mayor um so

[2:59:12] basically the ward system would have to

[2:59:14] maintain because you wanted to change

[2:59:16] the ward system that's a huge procedure

[2:59:18] and that's got to go to the government

[2:59:20] and I believe the last one had to go to

[2:59:23] the uh um I think I forgot where it went

[2:59:27] to but it had the government approved it

[2:59:29] so I think the tribunal approved it too

[2:59:31] so we had to do that so what you're

[2:59:33] looking at is maybe reducing by two and

[2:59:37] that would be basically

[2:59:39] reducing at large so you'd only have

[2:59:43] basically one at

[2:59:45] large and then we would have the deputy

[2:59:47] mayor position position and the mayor

[2:59:50] position that's

[2:59:53] interesting okay I just wanted to know I

[2:59:56] just wanted to know because that's what

[2:59:57] you're really hiring a consultant and

[2:59:59] does the consultant really need to be

[3:00:00] hired if we or is the consultant really

[3:00:03] here to discuss it with the public is

[3:00:06] that the problem that we need the public

[3:00:07] input or do we do it

[3:00:12] ourselves mayor

[3:00:14] Craig uh we have we have options without

[3:00:17] councelor steart our CAO has informed us

[3:00:19] that this decision strictly limited to

[3:00:22] reducing the numbers is a decision that

[3:00:24] we can make we don't we don't need to

[3:00:26] hire a consultant if there is concern by

[3:00:28] councel uh just as we did with other

[3:00:31] Consultants to provide a you know a an

[3:00:34] unbiased opinion of how this is going to

[3:00:36] turn out you hire the consultant to

[3:00:38] provide the

[3:00:39] recommendation and and we either agree

[3:00:42] or disagree with them and and then pick

[3:00:44] a number anyway so but it is like

[3:00:46] maintain the boards like there's no

[3:00:48] change in that it's just Council

[3:00:51] composition Council

[3:00:53] hburg thank you through temporary chair

[3:00:56] um a couple questions uh funding source

[3:00:59] I'm assuming you're thinking contingency

[3:01:00] reserve and not adding this to the

[3:01:02] operating budget that's one question

[3:01:04] even though it's $2,000 no operating

[3:01:11] budget okay um I'm I'm uh interested in

[3:01:14] this but I think I need to St publicly

[3:01:16] I'm not interested in seeing a future

[3:01:18] that doesn't have a ward system as we

[3:01:20] the way it is right now and then the

[3:01:21] question as we spent a lot of time

[3:01:23] earlier tonight listening and talking

[3:01:25] about future growth so if we're going to

[3:01:27] be if you do this in two terms you find

[3:01:30] yourself thinking gez nine would have

[3:01:31] been a better

[3:01:33] uh did

[3:01:35] I oh the extend the I can

[3:01:39] pause oh sorry oh and then it'll be all

[3:01:43] right um just wanted to say so it was

[3:01:46] clear that a c decision could reduce the

[3:01:49] numbers without any consultation

[3:01:50] required can an increase also be done

[3:01:53] simply by a council decision okay fair

[3:01:55] enough

[3:01:57] thanks motion to extend councelor

[3:02:01] CNO uh till end of

[3:02:07] business is there a second on that

[3:02:10] counselor black

[3:02:16] hole can we take it we take a a vote on

[3:02:20] councilor Kavanaugh's motion to extend

[3:02:22] till the end of Business seconded by

[3:02:24] councelor

[3:02:28] Blackwell vote it's a

[3:02:32] vote that

[3:02:36] passes uh sorry councelor Andre we

[3:02:39] finished your your your comments yeah

[3:02:41] councelor

[3:02:41] calov uh thank you very much and through

[3:02:44] the chair um this is something where it

[3:02:48] it it is a sensitive project to a lot of

[3:02:50] people that maybe isn't even on their

[3:02:52] radar until you bring it up with them uh

[3:02:54] looking around and I I see where we're

[3:02:57] at our discussion with our budget and

[3:02:58] setting a preliminary number here I I

[3:03:00] have no doubt in my mind if we are going

[3:03:02] to be asking to make Cuts or take things

[3:03:05] away from people within this

[3:03:06] municipality and an effort to lower the

[3:03:08] the tax rate uh we should start by

[3:03:11] looking at ourselves and and looking at

[3:03:13] the top most level and working downwards

[3:03:16] before you can't ask

[3:03:19] I feel bad asking lower lower um in the

[3:03:23] hierarchy to suddenly make do with less

[3:03:26] or become more efficient without first

[3:03:28] looking at Council and seeing if we can

[3:03:30] optimize and be as efficient as we are

[3:03:32] uh to that end I believe seven can

[3:03:34] accomplish the same task as nine the

[3:03:36] ward representation remains here and uh

[3:03:39] to to your line of thinking councelor

[3:03:41] Stewart uh I would suggest that we could

[3:03:43] even forgo the consultant if you uh

[3:03:46] aren't a fan of Consultants and simply

[3:03:48] resolve the issue with a vote

[3:03:52] tonight councelor sign up cray thank you

[3:03:56] through you chair um I'm going to Echo

[3:03:58] what councelor hinchberger said um and

[3:04:00] that is I would not be willing to

[3:04:02] entertain changes to the W system I I

[3:04:05] think it's important especially for

[3:04:08] Wards two and three that there is that

[3:04:10] voice that doesn't get drowned out um

[3:04:13] but one of the things I'd be really

[3:04:14] concerned about with reducing the ward

[3:04:16] system is I think there's a very unique

[3:04:19] check or not word system pardon me the

[3:04:21] number of counselors is that we all

[3:04:22] bring a different perspective especially

[3:04:25] based on where we were and the campaigns

[3:04:28] and I I honestly can't imagine where we

[3:04:31] would have been this year without some

[3:04:32] of the voices that we had around the

[3:04:33] table I also think that we're

[3:04:36] exaggerating some of the costs um when

[3:04:38] you look at I think you're including

[3:04:40] some of the travel costs but I think

[3:04:42] it's really important that people are

[3:04:43] willing to volunteer their time to go to

[3:04:45] Roma and go to Amo and go to some of

[3:04:47] those events where we Lobby hard for

[3:04:49] this municipality and a lot of hours in

[3:04:52] time and prep go into that that I would

[3:04:54] say is

[3:04:55] voluntary um and when you think about

[3:04:57] all the Committees that we need to serve

[3:05:00] and all the changes that are coming at

[3:05:01] us and the ad hoc commission like

[3:05:03] committees that are coming like people

[3:05:06] are already feeling stretched with what

[3:05:07] they're doing um look at the discussion

[3:05:09] we had about picking up the Committees

[3:05:12] um that our former counselor Doug

[3:05:15] Kennedy was covering people were

[3:05:18] until we get an incumbent I'll do this

[3:05:20] it wasn't I'll do this retroactively

[3:05:23] till the end so I just think we have to

[3:05:24] be very careful about what we're

[3:05:26] considering because unfortunately for us

[3:05:29] we are in a position where we have

[3:05:30] underfunded some of our infrastructure

[3:05:32] we are in a position where we have

[3:05:34] dramatic growth happening in our

[3:05:36] community and we need to make sure that

[3:05:38] we're dealing with it responsibly so I

[3:05:40] I'm just going to be very clear this is

[3:05:42] something I'm not confident is a great

[3:05:44] idea um I'm willing to consider it if

[3:05:47] that's what the will of the group is but

[3:05:50] it's not something I'm really

[3:05:51] comfortable with I think it would be a

[3:05:54] disservice counselor prer thank you

[3:05:57] through your chair um I tend to just

[3:06:00] stay quiet when people have already

[3:06:02] voiced the same thing that I think but

[3:06:04] I'm GNA start trying to speak up a

[3:06:06] little bit more um so I to do not um

[3:06:11] support changing the ward system so I'm

[3:06:13] glad that's not part of this uh proposal

[3:06:16] um

[3:06:18] I I will admit that this is actually one

[3:06:20] of the first things I considered when I

[3:06:22] joined Council because part of my um a

[3:06:27] big part of why joined Council was to

[3:06:29] look for ways to make improvements and

[3:06:31] find efficiencies and this is exactly

[3:06:34] what I thought of and then as more time

[3:06:37] went on I saw how different everyone's

[3:06:40] opinion is here and how we all represent

[3:06:42] a different part of the community um and

[3:06:46] we all have different uh experiences and

[3:06:50] skill sets that contribute dramatically

[3:06:53] to our decision-making and I totally

[3:06:56] changed uh my perspective on it I

[3:06:58] actually decided that I I thought we

[3:07:01] would be worse off if we removed anyone

[3:07:03] from our Council that's here um and

[3:07:07] considering something councelor

[3:07:08] steinhoff gry just said it all the

[3:07:10] Committees that we have um we are all

[3:07:14] stretched thin like she said on all of

[3:07:16] us are on a few of those each and trying

[3:07:18] to spread those out amongst uh fewer

[3:07:21] counselors would probably be difficult

[3:07:24] um so and with the growth that's that's

[3:07:27] uh supposedly coming to our community uh

[3:07:29] we're going to have to represent even

[3:07:31] more people so I am I've actually done a

[3:07:35] 180 and I I'm not in support of reducing

[3:07:38] the number of counselors at this time

[3:07:51] Council pra thank you and one thing I

[3:07:53] forgot to say there was if if we are

[3:07:55] going to move forward with the whole

[3:07:57] process I am not in support of having a

[3:07:59] um a consultant thank

[3:08:03] you if there's no further discussion I'm

[3:08:07] happy to read the motion

[3:08:10] again can you if I can just

[3:08:19] that' be great

[3:08:21] thanks so it was moved by uh mayor Craig

[3:08:24] seconded by councelor kavanau whereas

[3:08:26] section 2171 of the municipal act 2001

[3:08:29] authorizes a local municipality to

[3:08:30] change the composition of its Council

[3:08:32] and whereas a consultant could provide

[3:08:34] unbiased options for changes to council

[3:08:36] composition and whereas a consultant

[3:08:38] could provide options to to ensure legal

[3:08:41] principles are followed and whereas a

[3:08:44] consultant could host Community

[3:08:45] conversations including public open hous

[3:08:47] and workshops now therefore be it

[3:08:49] resolved that Council include in the

[3:08:50] 2025 budget deliberations $122,000 for

[3:08:54] hiring a consultant to review and

[3:08:55] provide recommendations specifically on

[3:08:57] the number of members which would

[3:08:59] comprise the Council of the corporation

[3:09:00] of the municipality of concard following

[3:09:03] the 20126

[3:09:04] election all those in

[3:09:09] favor all those against I failed I'm

[3:09:13] against

[3:09:20] thank you Deputy

[3:09:22] Mayor okay moving on we have a uh motion

[3:09:26] regarding the Whitney Crawford Community

[3:09:28] Center uh moved by Amanda Stein off gray

[3:09:31] seconded by Mike hinchberger whereas the

[3:09:33] Council of the municipality of concard

[3:09:34] undertook a community process for the

[3:09:36] development of the Parks and Recreation

[3:09:38] plan in 2023 whereas the plan identified

[3:09:41] a net increase of 1,400 new residents by

[3:09:44] 2031 which is an estimated growth of

[3:09:47] .7% with increasing population and

[3:09:50] younger citizens whereas the community

[3:09:52] has expressed interest in a redesign and

[3:09:55] Redevelopment of the Whitney Crawford

[3:09:56] Community Center and Council support was

[3:09:59] demonstrated through the procurement of

[3:10:00] engineered drawings and building plans

[3:10:02] in the previous term of council whereas

[3:10:04] this is a shovel ready project that

[3:10:06] would replace two facilities within the

[3:10:08] community of tton including the existing

[3:10:10] community center and library whereas the

[3:10:13] existing community center and library

[3:10:15] facilities in the community of tiberon

[3:10:17] have several components which have

[3:10:18] reached the end of their useful life

[3:10:20] based on the municipality of conard's

[3:10:22] asset management plan whereas the cost

[3:10:25] of a Redevelopment of a new community

[3:10:26] center in tton was estimated at $7

[3:10:28] million in 2022 and is understood the

[3:10:31] project estimates will exceed this

[3:10:33] amount for 2025

[3:10:36] 2027 and whereas the availability of

[3:10:39] senior Government funding was a

[3:10:40] consideration for pursuit of a new

[3:10:42] facility and whereas the provincial

[3:10:44] grant for Community Sport and Recreation

[3:10:46] infrastructure fund is currently

[3:10:47] available and requires demonstratable

[3:10:50] support for an eligible project with all

[3:10:52] expenses being curred no later than

[3:10:54] March 31st

[3:10:55] 20127 now therefore be it resolved the

[3:10:58] council direct staff to submit the most

[3:11:00] current plans designed by NA engineering

[3:11:03] for the Redevelopment of a community

[3:11:04] center in

[3:11:05] tton and develop a business case for the

[3:11:08] project which includes a new library and

[3:11:10] a new Community Hall to Ontario's stream

[3:11:13] two of the community Sport and

[3:11:15] Recreation infrastructure fund prior to

[3:11:17] the deadline of October 29

[3:11:19] 2024 and the council confirmed that if

[3:11:22] successful in receiving provincial

[3:11:24] funding to support the Redevelopment of

[3:11:25] a new community center in titon that the

[3:11:28] project will take priority over other

[3:11:30] facilities and Recreation capital

[3:11:32] projects in order to support project

[3:11:34] completion by March

[3:11:36] 2027 and that the municipal portion of

[3:11:39] the cost be funded through debt with

[3:11:41] financing through the community benefit

[3:11:43] fund or as per a financing

[3:11:45] recommendation from staff

[3:11:47] and that once the project is completed

[3:11:49] the municipality will divest itself of

[3:11:52] other similar Municipal assets and it

[3:11:54] was moved by uh councelor stof gray and

[3:11:58] councelor hinchberger councelor Stein

[3:11:59] off gray please thank you through you

[3:12:02] chair and before I go through my

[3:12:03] arguments I actually want to take this

[3:12:05] time to really thank the staff and our

[3:12:07] cioo um for all their help as we went

[3:12:10] through this process looked at the

[3:12:12] grants confirmed through the grant

[3:12:15] organization U what we could and

[3:12:16] couldn't apply for um I really do

[3:12:19] appreciate all of the help that was

[3:12:20] provided so I really want to start by

[3:12:23] thanking staff for their cooperation and

[3:12:25] my fellow counselors um including

[3:12:27] counselor hinchberger who has been um an

[3:12:30] unbelievable asset in researching this

[3:12:33] um as well as everyone else around the

[3:12:35] table um I know Beth has had many side

[3:12:37] conversations and Andrea with me over

[3:12:39] this one I'm basically naming everyone

[3:12:41] at the table so I'll stop now um but I

[3:12:44] just U there's been a true engagement in

[3:12:47] this and I really do appreciate it um

[3:12:50] there's a number of reasons why I think

[3:12:51] we really need to move forward with this

[3:12:53] application um that being obviously the

[3:12:56] age of the building and the lack of

[3:12:57] Maintenance that we have performed um

[3:13:00] there's a lot of deficiencies even with

[3:13:01] our library it's an aging building um

[3:13:04] and in the spirit of Recon like

[3:13:06] reconciling different objects so that we

[3:13:09] can actually make a go of

[3:13:12] um I'm going to say plans that make

[3:13:15] sense so um we've been very um knee-jerk

[3:13:18] in a lot of our actions this has been a

[3:13:21] a need in the community for quite a

[3:13:22] while we're approving a lot of new

[3:13:24] development in the municipality of Tian

[3:13:27] you talked about um the park at the edge

[3:13:30] of ton councelor Stewart and the number

[3:13:33] of affordable houses that could come out

[3:13:35] of that for folks we have developments

[3:13:37] going on through Fast Track and

[3:13:39] different things that we've approved as

[3:13:40] a council we know that that population

[3:13:42] is going to increase and we know that

[3:13:44] we're going to need to deal with these

[3:13:45] things um and our library really does

[3:13:48] need some significant work I know that

[3:13:50] we helped put a ramp up but in my humble

[3:13:53] opinion it's very hard to get around the

[3:13:54] aisles in that Library so to me there's

[3:13:57] some some needs from an accessibility

[3:14:00] perspective um one of the other things I

[3:14:02] I really want to take a moment to talk

[3:14:04] about was the amount of effort and time

[3:14:06] that's gone into this so for me it's

[3:14:08] important that we acknowledge what the

[3:14:11] council previous to us did in trying to

[3:14:13] prepare um the path for this work so I

[3:14:16] know that there was a committee previous

[3:14:18] with um Ron amanto Joe cotol Randy ruple

[3:14:22] Karen kefir and Jim mctier and as part

[3:14:25] of that they actually visited six

[3:14:27] different community centers that had

[3:14:28] been erected um including rad Haagen if

[3:14:32] I'm saying that wrong I apologize to

[3:14:34] that Community thank you um newstead

[3:14:38] godri miltton Cargill and Belmore and as

[3:14:41] part of that they toured the locations

[3:14:43] but they also talked to the municipal

[3:14:45] staff and they asked them through the

[3:14:47] inner workings of a community center

[3:14:49] what were the things you would have done

[3:14:50] differently with your new builds and

[3:14:52] what I didn't know at the time was all

[3:14:54] of those data points that were given to

[3:14:56] them were put into these plans so given

[3:14:59] that this this stream requires a shovel

[3:15:01] ready project and I don't believe that

[3:15:03] we have another shovel ready project I

[3:15:05] really think it's worthwhile for the

[3:15:06] community that we put them forward um

[3:15:09] and really acknowledge the work that

[3:15:10] went into this because it sounds like

[3:15:12] they did put significant Research into

[3:15:14] it so um with that I'm going to turn it

[3:15:17] over for others for comment but I do

[3:15:19] think this is an important part of the

[3:15:21] community for those of us who are at the

[3:15:23] T and Fall Fair um you saw how crowded

[3:15:26] people were in to listen to the music

[3:15:28] unfortunately I usually miss it because

[3:15:30] I'm at the horse show but I I it's a

[3:15:33] community that rallies and it's a

[3:15:35] community that's together I think all of

[3:15:37] us got into the spirit with the auction

[3:15:39] um of the pies I know I came home with a

[3:15:42] few expensive apple pies and such but um

[3:15:46] I guess the point trying to make is I

[3:15:47] think our community needs it and I think

[3:15:50] that as we continue to grow a lot of the

[3:15:52] growth is going to happen in the titon

[3:15:54] area and so why not posture ourselves

[3:15:57] for the

[3:16:00] future hinchberger please thank you to

[3:16:03] you chair um some of my thoughts in this

[3:16:06] process uh were um one of the draft

[3:16:09] goals of the Strategic plan which was

[3:16:11] informed by Community engagement was uh

[3:16:14] pursue that we're working with pursue

[3:16:16] small smart growth maintaining our small

[3:16:18] town row character and providing

[3:16:20] opportunities to live and work in the

[3:16:21] municipality of Karden uh we had some

[3:16:24] com uh presentations earlier tonight and

[3:16:26] I think there was a number of us that

[3:16:27] question whether population projections

[3:16:29] as they currently exist are accurate in

[3:16:32] fact that they are markedly low for

[3:16:36] example while there's no guarantee that

[3:16:37] La landscape is the best it has ever

[3:16:39] been from my perspective for a new

[3:16:41] nuclear build on the Bruce site and

[3:16:42] everything that comes with it

[3:16:44] development opportunities in this area

[3:16:46] surrounding us like godri walkeron and

[3:16:48] Port Elgen they're slowly being consumed

[3:16:51] there's been a lot of frustration at

[3:16:52] things not coming to conarton and I

[3:16:54] think if you follow the way that the the

[3:16:57] development of this part of the province

[3:16:58] occurred in the 1850s and Beyond we were

[3:17:01] kind of last of the party then as they

[3:17:03] came up from guard Rich up through

[3:17:05] walkeron or down through ow and sound I

[3:17:06] think the same thing is going to happen

[3:17:08] again in the next while we're going to

[3:17:10] have growth if we don't manage the

[3:17:12] growth properly we're going to end up

[3:17:13] with a small City it'll be Concan a

[3:17:15] village and a number of hamlets and

[3:17:17] we'll lose that small town rural

[3:17:19] character that's outlined in the goals

[3:17:21] so part of the to do this in some ways

[3:17:23] is to protect the small town rural

[3:17:26] character of the town of concard by

[3:17:28] spreading some of the growth uh uh

[3:17:30] elsewhere um the town of concard it's

[3:17:33] constrained geographically on the west

[3:17:35] by the lake politically to the South by

[3:17:36] uron kinloss and somewhat commercially

[3:17:39] to the east of Highway 21 by some

[3:17:41] previous decisions that have been made

[3:17:43] Idan on the other hand has some

[3:17:45] flexibility it's also a primary urban

[3:17:47] community although you know as far as

[3:17:49] land use designation but it's not

[3:17:51] something that people usually talk about

[3:17:52] there is an environmental assessment

[3:17:54] that's in progress on options to address

[3:17:56] drinking water needs which are one of

[3:17:58] the issues and there is a Wastewater

[3:18:00] Plant down the hill on concession to so

[3:18:02] in some ways it's kind of positioned uh

[3:18:06] for growth one of the takeaways for me

[3:18:09] from the parks and recre study at high

[3:18:11] level was you know a recommendation to

[3:18:13] take care of what we have before we

[3:18:15] build new but this project might look to

[3:18:17] some people like a deviation from the

[3:18:19] recommendation yet I see it as building

[3:18:21] replacement as opposed to building that

[3:18:24] uh lastly I'll say is that the total

[3:18:27] annual operating deficit of the

[3:18:29] facilities that could be divested I

[3:18:31] following I repeat following completion

[3:18:34] of this project is currently

[3:18:36] $160,000 in 2024 I think this project

[3:18:40] provides an opportunity to address this

[3:18:42] as tow improve the usage of the adjacent

[3:18:46] TI and Sport Center which will it would

[3:18:48] complement naturally just by its

[3:18:53] location other comments questions

[3:18:56] councelor Blackwell

[3:18:58] please uh thank you through you um I

[3:19:01] appreciate all the work that's been put

[3:19:03] into this um I have two well maybe one

[3:19:06] question and then um some statements my

[3:19:09] first question is um in the research

[3:19:12] being done for this uh Recreation fund

[3:19:16] is there a capacity um and ability to

[3:19:19] apply to both the new build and the

[3:19:23] repair revitalization

[3:19:28] Stream CEO please sure through you mayor

[3:19:32] um the we are eligible to um apply to

[3:19:37] both streams uh your question with

[3:19:39] respect to capacity

[3:19:42] um that may be a bit more

[3:19:45] nuanced so I I'm not sure I I have the

[3:19:48] answer to share because a lot would

[3:19:51] depend on um the project uh that would

[3:19:56] be for a renovation

[3:19:58] type of a for that particular Stream So

[3:20:01] if it was a significant renovation to an

[3:20:04] existing facility that we were ready to

[3:20:07] go with um I think you'd be challenged

[3:20:10] with our internal capacity to take on

[3:20:13] both projects if we were to be

[3:20:14] successful in it and and actually be

[3:20:16] able to meet the deadlines um with the

[3:20:19] Grant and or even be able to put out

[3:20:22] rfps to get drawings to then undertake

[3:20:26] construction Etc so I think it would

[3:20:28] really depend on what the second

[3:20:31] potential project

[3:20:36] was follow up um no maybe I'll I'll

[3:20:40] touch base a little bit later about

[3:20:42] whether there's any potential projects

[3:20:44] coming forward for us to discuss about

[3:20:46] the other stram but um one of the things

[3:20:49] I I'll say is that um I'm a fairly

[3:20:52] strong advocate for um what I would

[3:20:54] consider to be complete communities for

[3:20:56] walkable communities for communities

[3:20:58] that feel like they have an identity um

[3:21:01] Gathering space communal um

[3:21:04] opportunities and so um you know having

[3:21:07] read the parks and recck master plan the

[3:21:09] other day and and seeing the

[3:21:10] recommendation there to not build new um

[3:21:15] until we make some other decisions I

[3:21:16] think it is important to recognize that

[3:21:18] if there if this project does go ahead

[3:21:19] it does impact a lot of other decisions

[3:21:21] but I also think um there's opportunity

[3:21:24] to support it for the betterment of the

[3:21:27] community and also to potentially look

[3:21:29] at our longer term Asset Management plan

[3:21:31] about opportunities to divest from other

[3:21:33] assets um and really focus our attention

[3:21:36] on potentially our most used

[3:21:39] or um largest population centers and

[3:21:42] really enhance what they can

[3:21:45] do councelor Stewart please thank you um

[3:21:49] I was actually part of the committee

[3:21:50] that did this last year so it's okay

[3:21:52] don't worry um just wanted to talk to

[3:21:55] you about this this motion is good it's

[3:21:58] too long I mean one of the problems is I

[3:22:00] can't get around this last you like

[3:22:03] we're going to go for funding the one

[3:22:05] thing about going for funding on the

[3:22:07] stream two is because we're less than

[3:22:10] 20,000 we can go up to

[3:22:12] 70% so the biggest thing I'm sort of

[3:22:15] looking at is na engineering please give

[3:22:18] us the most current cost estimate ASAP

[3:22:22] because if it's 10,000 then we can go up

[3:22:24] to 7 million you know if we put in

[3:22:27] something like this because I I'm

[3:22:29] surprised that we did it in 22 I thought

[3:22:31] it was like 20 but anyways 7 million

[3:22:35] only gives us x amount like five million

[3:22:38] so I don't know if we have time but na

[3:22:41] engineering has all the diagrams and

[3:22:43] everything so let's do that because I

[3:22:45] look at this way it's the only shovel

[3:22:47] ready project we have why look to gift

[3:22:49] horse in the M throw it in there and see

[3:22:52] what happens the funding on the other

[3:22:54] side let's wait until we see what

[3:22:55] happens whether we divest a lot of

[3:22:58] minicipal assets let's wait and see what

[3:23:00] happens but let's put our best position

[3:23:03] forward to try to get the maximum

[3:23:05] funding we can get for this project and

[3:23:08] then we might have a problem because we

[3:23:09] have all this money thank

[3:23:13] you councelor hinchberger please thank

[3:23:16] you I neglected to add this is most of

[3:23:18] us know this around the table but for

[3:23:20] those who might be listening or watching

[3:23:22] this is a bit of a a stretch and a reach

[3:23:24] because the the fund is to repair

[3:23:26] upgrade or build Sport and Recreation

[3:23:29] facilities and the community center

[3:23:31] isn't you know as front and center in

[3:23:33] terms of one of those is like a new

[3:23:34] Arena or a ballpark so we have to

[3:23:37] realize that funding wise just ballpark

[3:23:39] I you know was 7 million in 2022 if you

[3:23:42] look at the change in the construction

[3:23:44] price index over the co last couple of

[3:23:46] years we might be looking I wouldn't be

[3:23:48] surprised by

[3:23:50] nine yeah so that's my last

[3:23:55] comment Brer Stewart please to fill in

[3:23:59] yeah

[3:24:00] unfortunately the funding in this one

[3:24:02] particular stream too is 200 million so

[3:24:05] it's going to go fast and you know

[3:24:07] they'll probably bring more funding in

[3:24:09] down the road but we got to get the

[3:24:11] project in we got to see how lucky we

[3:24:12] are and roll the dice and uh I I can

[3:24:15] support that

[3:24:20] thanks uh councelor Blackwell please uh

[3:24:24] sorry I thank you just on that note um

[3:24:26] when I asked earlier about the capacity

[3:24:27] for the two projects one of the the

[3:24:29] questions there was also about capacity

[3:24:31] of writing two potential grants um do we

[3:24:33] have a potential project lined up for

[3:24:35] the other stream which we may be more

[3:24:37] successful within because it would it's

[3:24:39] a much smaller amount that we'd be

[3:24:41] asking for um comparison to this project

[3:24:46] uh so so I I hear what you're saying but

[3:24:49] it it's it's not it's not this motion

[3:24:52] think I um I guess it's more related if

[3:24:55] you can connect it to this motion that's

[3:24:56] okay but just so I guess capacity for

[3:24:59] another grant writing that's not this

[3:25:02] motion at all part of my question is if

[3:25:04] we know that this application is

[3:25:06] potentially a reach would my question is

[3:25:09] to make sure that we also have the

[3:25:10] capacity to apply for the other fund at

[3:25:13] the same time because I would be

[3:25:15] concerned that if we're not if we know

[3:25:17] that this one's a bit of a Hail Mary um

[3:25:20] and we go for it but we potentially miss

[3:25:22] out on a more reasonable more likely

[3:25:25] project that we would be approved for

[3:25:27] that said I still am in support of it um

[3:25:29] I'm just that was just my question was

[3:25:31] about I don't want to miss out on

[3:25:32] something else um as

[3:25:36] well CAO please y through you um stuff

[3:25:41] certainly have been engaged in community

[3:25:43] services and following and understanding

[3:25:46] um what potential projects within the

[3:25:49] stream that you're speaking about um are

[3:25:52] available we I think part of the

[3:25:54] challenge that we find ourselves in is

[3:25:57] um we have gone through uh Recreation

[3:26:00] and Parks plan exercise and part of the

[3:26:04] findings of that is you need to spend

[3:26:06] more specific time and energy focused on

[3:26:08] your two existing larger Sports

[3:26:12] Recreation complexes to figure out

[3:26:14] exactly what you want to do because

[3:26:16] there's some significant decisions that

[3:26:18] need to be made given how um challenged

[3:26:22] those um two sites are for the

[3:26:26] existing like the existing

[3:26:29] infrastructure which makes up components

[3:26:31] of both of those buildings um so we do

[3:26:35] expect to have a staff report or that

[3:26:37] was that has been the plan is to have a

[3:26:39] staff Report with respect to

[3:26:42] um I can say will be titon uh Sports

[3:26:46] Arena um we're just not in a spot to be

[3:26:51] able to say this is exactly the plan

[3:26:54] that Council has already authorized

[3:26:56] following that Recreation plan that was

[3:26:59] just developed um so it's just not

[3:27:03] perfect timing for us in terms of what

[3:27:05] it is that the uh our planning process

[3:27:08] aligns with the funding opportunity I

[3:27:10] would hope that there might be um funds

[3:27:13] available from senior government in the

[3:27:15] future we are across the province seeing

[3:27:18] um Recreation facilities that are coming

[3:27:21] to the end of their useful life because

[3:27:23] many of them were built 50 years ago

[3:27:26] yeah when Tero funds and other funds

[3:27:29] that were available um so it's certainly

[3:27:31] a need in the community and our um your

[3:27:34] best effort is to try to get plants in

[3:27:38] place so that you are ready to move on

[3:27:40] those when when they do become available

[3:27:42] and I think I appreciate staff and I

[3:27:44] appreciate council's and the community's

[3:27:47] input to getting us part of the way

[3:27:49] there which is not all of the way there

[3:27:51] so it's a bit of um I would expect the

[3:27:54] report is going to speak to some of the

[3:27:56] pieces we expect to fail in the not too

[3:27:58] distant future and just here's the

[3:28:02] here's the potential ask for some

[3:28:05] renovation to that facility to try to

[3:28:07] make improvements to keep it

[3:28:11] open ccor Stewart please thank you and

[3:28:15] just to mention you know you got stream

[3:28:16] two which are big projects stream one's

[3:28:19] like 150 to a million dollars they're

[3:28:22] little projects and I believe that

[3:28:24] without giving something away I think

[3:28:25] our staff has a project that they were

[3:28:28] thinking of submitting under stream one

[3:28:31] so you know those are very small

[3:28:33] projects um I understand where the CEO

[3:28:36] is coming from because we have three

[3:28:38] major buildings one of them could be

[3:28:40] this uh Community Center the other one's

[3:28:43] the sport complex and the other one is

[3:28:46] Davidson Center and you know looking at

[3:28:48] these projects big thoughts but let's

[3:28:50] get back into this one because we have

[3:28:52] to prove this one tonight one way or the

[3:28:54] other

[3:28:55] thanks so I'm uh broadly speaking I to

[3:28:59] am like it's a wasted opportunity if we

[3:29:02] don't apply for for provincial money um

[3:29:07] I think unless I'm mistaken that the

[3:29:11] timelines to put the this whole thing

[3:29:15] together and be done by March 2027 would

[3:29:17] be uh a tight timeline would would that

[3:29:21] accurate okay just we and what happens

[3:29:24] to the funding if we're not done in time

[3:29:27] not that I don't think we shouldn't

[3:29:28] apply that's not what I'm saying but

[3:29:30] there's there's unintended consequences

[3:29:33] do we lose the funding if we're not done

[3:29:34] in time or a p or a portion of it do we

[3:29:38] know what the stipulations are yes go

[3:29:41] ahead well so if we were receive the

[3:29:44] funding generally funding application

[3:29:46] generally the agreements come through

[3:29:48] and it spells out what the requirements

[3:29:50] are there may be opportunities for

[3:29:53] exceptions but it isn't going to be an

[3:29:55] exception that's allowed because we

[3:29:57] weren't ready to do the project it would

[3:29:59] have to be based on something that

[3:30:01] happens in the process of us moving the

[3:30:04] project forward so yes it would be tight

[3:30:08] timelines um there are drawings

[3:30:11] available so I would imagine it would be

[3:30:14] issuing a procurement document where you

[3:30:16] are look if you were successful you are

[3:30:19] immediately taking action to issue a

[3:30:22] procurement document that is looking for

[3:30:24] um a respondent to build and project

[3:30:27] manage but again I would point to and I

[3:30:30] appreciate this being included in the

[3:30:31] motion it is going to need to take

[3:30:34] precedent um over other uh Recreation

[3:30:38] capital projects because it will require

[3:30:40] even our resources to ensure we are on

[3:30:44] top of it um in order to deal with even

[3:30:48] a project manager so that's that's why

[3:30:51] it I I do appreciate that that's in the

[3:30:54] motion um the yeah just a minute um the

[3:30:59] requirements for County libraries for

[3:31:02] small towns is 2500 square feet which is

[3:31:06] two and a half times bigger than the one

[3:31:08] that's there just just for guidelines

[3:31:10] that's what the director of libraries

[3:31:14] said in her conversation the other day

[3:31:16] is like you know that's where we're

[3:31:18] at

[3:31:20] um and and I do appreciate the

[3:31:23] acknowledgement about what what will

[3:31:26] happen like it is an aggressive an

[3:31:28] aggressive approach to divesting

[3:31:30] Municipal assets that can be fulfilled

[3:31:34] by the construction of a new place it is

[3:31:37] it is buildings that are sacred to us

[3:31:41] that we will look at and say no we can't

[3:31:43] do that anymore because we've got our

[3:31:45] money invested in that one and like I

[3:31:47] appreciate your your acknowledgement of

[3:31:50] that so like don't be surprised if you

[3:31:53] hear your Alma Al alma mater being uh

[3:31:57] destroyed of some sort or other okay

[3:32:00] final comment com councelor Stewart yes

[3:32:03] I was sort of fortunate to be on the

[3:32:04] zoom meeting when they actually launched

[3:32:06] this and everything and it was quite

[3:32:08] interesting because when you go in with

[3:32:11] a project they're going to allow

[3:32:13] multiple modifications to the design

[3:32:16] I mean they're very Loosey Goosey about

[3:32:18] it that if you Smit something you're

[3:32:20] getting the grant money and then you can

[3:32:22] modify it accordingly and it really was

[3:32:25] and people were asking questions and

[3:32:27] people going really you could end up

[3:32:29] with a sports arena I don't know but

[3:32:31] what I'm saying is it's not so tight so

[3:32:34] there is a little bit of flexibility on

[3:32:36] this whole thing but it's worth a try so

[3:32:39] I'm not going to read the motion again

[3:32:40] but we do have a motion on the floor

[3:32:42] moved by councelors tan Offrey and

[3:32:44] hinchberger on in favor and that is

[3:32:50] carried no you're

[3:32:54] not we have

[3:32:56] a resolution moved by Beth Blackwell

[3:33:01] counselor Blackwell seconded by count

[3:33:02] the deputy mayor Clark whereas in 2022

[3:33:06] statistics Canon reported that 28% of

[3:33:08] ontarians identify as having a

[3:33:10] disability and whereas residents and

[3:33:12] visitors with disabilities continue to

[3:33:14] regularly face physical attit udal

[3:33:16] environmental and technological barriers

[3:33:17] to prevent them from working shopping

[3:33:20] traveling volunteering or accessing

[3:33:21] Community spaces which negatively

[3:33:23] impacts our community's economic

[3:33:25] opportunities and personal sense of be

[3:33:28] belonging and whereas both the county of

[3:33:30] Bruce and all eight of the lower tier

[3:33:32] municipalities are obligated to and have

[3:33:34] committed to removing barriers and

[3:33:36] working toward ensuring their facilities

[3:33:38] services and amenities are compliant

[3:33:40] with both the uh inario with

[3:33:42] Disabilities Act and accessibility for

[3:33:44] antarians with Disabilities Act and

[3:33:47] whereas improving accessibility and

[3:33:49] implementing breast practice requires

[3:33:51] significant technical knowledge and

[3:33:53] expertise in order to ensure capital and

[3:33:55] operational projects program Services

[3:33:57] site plans bylaws and more are compliant

[3:34:00] or exceed Oda aoda and other related leg

[3:34:04] legislation and whereas lower tier

[3:34:06] municipalities including those with

[3:34:08] highly engaged accessibility advisory

[3:34:10] committees would benefit from a

[3:34:11] collaborative approach that increases

[3:34:13] their ability to access this type of

[3:34:15] knowledge expertise and experience and

[3:34:17] whereas the neighboring counties of

[3:34:19] hurin and gray as well as others such as

[3:34:21] Elgen and middle sex employ

[3:34:22] accessibility coordinators that act as a

[3:34:24] single point of contact for the county

[3:34:26] itself and the lower tier municipalities

[3:34:28] and whereas these accessibility

[3:34:30] coordinators consult on accessibility

[3:34:32] related projects assist with

[3:34:33] implementation of accessibility

[3:34:35] standards providing training communicate

[3:34:37] best practice identify grant

[3:34:39] opportunities and share resources with

[3:34:41] staff committees and the public and

[3:34:43] whereas the county of Bruce has already

[3:34:45] taken positive ly aligned actions by

[3:34:47] setting a goal of becoming a

[3:34:48] barrier-free community multi-year

[3:34:50] accessibility plan achieving a dementia

[3:34:52] friendly designation for Bruce County

[3:34:54] public libraries introducing an

[3:34:55] age-friendly strategy and adopting a

[3:34:57] transportation master plan that

[3:34:59] highlights the importance of

[3:35:00] accessibility now therefore be it

[3:35:02] resolved that the municipality of conard

[3:35:05] requests that the county of Bruce

[3:35:07] introduce an accessibility coordinator

[3:35:09] position to act as a collaborative

[3:35:11] capacity building resource for County

[3:35:13] and lower tier staff except

[3:35:15] accessibility advisory committees in the

[3:35:17] public so that Bruce County can become a

[3:35:19] leader in building accessible welcoming

[3:35:21] communities for residents and visitors

[3:35:23] of all

[3:35:24] abilities all in

[3:35:27] favor

[3:35:35] carried no we can we all we're doing is

[3:35:40] advocating I already done it but there's

[3:35:44] an official motion that the uh County

[3:35:46] staff is aware is

[3:35:48] coming consideration of bylaws we need a

[3:35:50] moover and second that following bylaws

[3:35:52] are hereby read a first second and third

[3:35:54] time finally pass this 9th of

[3:35:57] September October

[3:36:01] October uh amendment to zoning bylaw

[3:36:06] 20325 for 728 North Line bylaw 202

[3:36:11] 24-36 2025 rates and fees by law 2024

[3:36:16] uh

[3:36:16] -137 plans of subdivision and

[3:36:19] development policy bylaw 2024 d138 who

[3:36:23] by counselers hinchberger and Cavanaugh

[3:36:26] all in favor that's carried consent

[3:36:30] agenda items listed under the consent

[3:36:32] agenda are considered routine and are

[3:36:34] passed uh in one motion except for any

[3:36:38] items which are withdrawn for discussion

[3:36:40] either tonight or uh in the following

[3:36:43] meeting um any any uh items to be

[3:36:47] withdrawn councelor Stein off gray

[3:36:50] please um I would like to withdraw if I

[3:36:53] could sorry I'm looking at the numbers

[3:36:56] here under

[3:36:59] 8.1 um a and then B and then a actually

[3:37:05] no a nope Bravo again environmental

[3:37:07] service compliance report for September

[3:37:10] 2024 um one of the things that made

[3:37:13] reference in um that particular report

[3:37:16] was with regards to um a drinking water

[3:37:20] quality risk management assessment and

[3:37:23] it sounded like we have some kind of

[3:37:25] assessment that's happening that happens

[3:37:27] every five years it didn't really give

[3:37:28] me a lot of details and I was wondering

[3:37:30] if it was possible to have that returned

[3:37:32] with the staff report um priority

[3:37:34] ranking based on the risk likelihood and

[3:37:36] the corresponding mitigations by cost so

[3:37:39] that we can give that proper

[3:37:41] consideration it was a oneliner in the

[3:37:44] report but I I'd like understand it

[3:37:47] better uh Mark

[3:37:51] please can we uh

[3:37:54] uh can do do you want an explanation or

[3:37:58] would you like some written sort of

[3:37:59] report what was your expectation I don't

[3:38:01] want to put him on the spot because it

[3:38:03] didn't go into detail in the report I it

[3:38:05] was more of a comeback um if he could

[3:38:08] provide that I think it's important for

[3:38:10] us to understand um so that we can

[3:38:12] properly prioritize and fund those

[3:38:14] mitigations BAS some

[3:38:17] probability could we get some uh written

[3:38:20] feedback on uh that line you might uh

[3:38:23] you might need to confer with counselor

[3:38:25] Stein offra just to make sure you uh

[3:38:28] know what she needs okay is that a can

[3:38:31] we ask that of you please can we ask

[3:38:33] that of you up just he might have a

[3:38:37] comment speak to it right now or do you

[3:38:39] know the answer right

[3:38:41] now so through you mayor Craig we uh the

[3:38:44] drinking water quality management

[3:38:46] standard does uh risk assessment which

[3:38:49] has to basically has to do with um

[3:38:52] ensuring compliance with all drinking

[3:38:55] water assessment threats which would be

[3:38:57] for all drinking water systems um so

[3:39:00] typically they're they're done on

[3:39:02] severity

[3:39:04] vulnerability um and then they're

[3:39:06] assessed a score some of those trigger

[3:39:09] critical control points which then

[3:39:12] trigger us to implement um standard off

[3:39:15] operating procedures or contingency

[3:39:17] plans so we can certainly share all

[3:39:19] those uh documents with the counselor

[3:39:22] and if she has any follow-up questions

[3:39:24] or would like some follow-up data we

[3:39:25] would be glad to put those

[3:39:27] together thank

[3:39:31] you uh councelor hinchberger please

[3:39:34] thank you through you mayor quickly it's

[3:39:36] uh 81 8.1 ba the infrastructure and

[3:39:38] development third quar report it'll be a

[3:39:40] question for the manager of

[3:39:41] Environmental Services does the annual

[3:39:44] inspections of our water and Wastewater

[3:39:46] emergency generators also include auto

[3:39:48] start testing of its capabilities so

[3:39:51] that when we do actually have a power uh

[3:39:54] uh Interruption that these generators

[3:39:56] work can give us seamless transition and

[3:39:58] maintenance of

[3:40:00] process through you mayor Craig so uh

[3:40:03] councelor hinchberger we have annual

[3:40:05] service completed by an outside firm and

[3:40:08] then we do monthly uh generator runs at

[3:40:11] each site those are not Auto we actually

[3:40:15] staff those to ensure that we're

[3:40:18] collecting readings that things will

[3:40:19] transition over properly um so we're

[3:40:22] we're not a big lover of the auto

[3:40:24] startups that are uh common because at

[3:40:27] times you might not have staff there to

[3:40:29] see things so those are those are

[3:40:30] completed every month by the operation

[3:40:34] staff what I meant was maybe a

[3:40:37] translation here is you could have staff

[3:40:39] present on the site basically interrupt

[3:40:41] the normal line voltage and demonstrate

[3:40:43] that the emergency generator will start

[3:40:45] up and pick up the load that's what I'm

[3:40:47] getting at that is absolutely what we do

[3:40:50] councelor hinchberger we disconnect to

[3:40:53] ensure that everything flips over

[3:40:55] properly thank you very

[3:41:00] much so we need a mover and second the

[3:41:03] council approved the recommendations

[3:41:06] contained in the consent agenda dated

[3:41:08] October 9 2024 and direct staff to

[3:41:10] proceed with all necessary

[3:41:11] administrative actions moved by

[3:41:13] councilors Cavanaugh and deputy mayor

[3:41:15] all in favor and that's

[3:41:17] carried

[3:41:19] council member of council General

[3:41:24] announcements Deputy Mayor have anything

[3:41:26] for us

[3:41:27] tonight thank you mayor through you

[3:41:29] October is women's history month so it's

[3:41:31] a time to recognize and celebrate the

[3:41:33] contributions of women and girls

[3:41:36] throughout our society and Happy

[3:41:40] Thanksgiving councelor hinchberger thank

[3:41:43] you to you mayor uh as long as Deputy

[3:41:45] Mayor Clark brought up women's History

[3:41:47] Month I my mother's no longer with us

[3:41:49] anymore but one of probably the biggest

[3:41:50] influence in my life and she had one

[3:41:52] great quote she used to say proudly I

[3:41:54] share no man's opinion for I have one of

[3:41:56] my own and I I never forget that like

[3:41:59] she was a force um just uh councelor

[3:42:03] kavana and I had the pleasure this past

[3:42:06] Saturday of uh planting trees and shrubs

[3:42:10] over 150 were planted I only could get

[3:42:12] five in the ground myself uh at the Alps

[3:42:16] uh Park they're going to continue

[3:42:18] working the spring of 2025 on the food

[3:42:20] Force so uh great turnout and it was

[3:42:23] great

[3:42:25] weather councelor Blackwell

[3:42:31] please uh thank you through you I have a

[3:42:34] couple but I try to be quick so this

[3:42:36] week is um fire prevention week I

[3:42:40] believe and as someone who unfortunately

[3:42:43] has had a property complet Ely burned to

[3:42:45] the ground um but everyone got out

[3:42:48] safely because they were working smoke

[3:42:49] alarms so please ensure that people are

[3:42:52] checking their smoke alarms that they

[3:42:54] have safety plans um and that we can all

[3:42:56] stay safe I know our um firefighters and

[3:42:59] emergency management team are putting

[3:43:01] some great content out on social media

[3:43:03] um also it is the 40th anniversary of

[3:43:06] the women's house um they're hosting

[3:43:08] their Gala on October 19th this year

[3:43:10] alone they served more than um 550 women

[3:43:14] and and over 250 children um in addition

[3:43:18] to over 2,000 crisis calls so there's

[3:43:20] certainly um a service that we still

[3:43:23] unfortunately need but we're grateful to

[3:43:25] have them in our community um last I

[3:43:27] wanted to thank um so many of the

[3:43:29] different members of our community who

[3:43:30] have been out there doing some fall

[3:43:32] cleaning um Andrew Evans the Heron

[3:43:35] Fringe field naturalist canar Lions Club

[3:43:37] prois Club lots and lots of Youth have

[3:43:40] been out cleaning up our beaches and

[3:43:41] local roads getting everything looking

[3:43:43] really nice um and I just want to uh

[3:43:45] share my appreciation for all their hard

[3:43:48] work Conor Stein off gr please thank you

[3:43:53] um through you chair I'm just going to

[3:43:54] bring awareness to shivon which is

[3:43:56] happening in titon October 18th through

[3:43:58] 20th so the Friday through to the Sunday

[3:44:01] there's a family Halloween dance

[3:44:02] happening on the Friday the tour of

[3:44:04] Terrors if you're brave enough to handle

[3:44:06] it uh will be occurring on the Friday

[3:44:09] Saturday and Sunday um so uh hopefully

[3:44:12] you're ready for that and then they also

[3:44:15] have a Halloween vendor Village that's

[3:44:16] happening on the Saturday and Sunday um

[3:44:19] and some other festivities that will all

[3:44:21] be there at the Whitney Crawford

[3:44:22] Community Center so I just recommend

[3:44:25] that everyone come out and I don't see

[3:44:27] it on the advertisement but I'm pretty

[3:44:29] confident I heard that the um food truck

[3:44:33] from the airport cheesy monkey is also

[3:44:36] going to be there so um it it's shaping

[3:44:40] up to be a great day so anyone who can

[3:44:42] make it please do so and Mike we missed

[3:44:44] you you at the uh Horse Show I had to

[3:44:46] move those barrels by myself it was a

[3:44:48] sad

[3:44:50] day thank you councelor pranger please

[3:44:54] thank you um for those of you that

[3:44:57] haven't heard unfortunately the San

[3:44:58] Valley conservation Authority head

[3:45:00] office had a catastrophic lightning

[3:45:02] strike on Sunday um October 6th the

[3:45:05] building is uninhabitable and is

[3:45:08] currently closed um however they are

[3:45:10] working furiously to get everything back

[3:45:13] online servers online

[3:45:15] um some staff are already working

[3:45:17] remotely even though um that was

[3:45:19] difficult to get them equipment and

[3:45:20] whatnot uh there has been a press

[3:45:22] release it has all the information you

[3:45:24] need in place you need to contact

[3:45:25] someone or spec specifically say campers

[3:45:29] need to pay bills or or check out or

[3:45:31] something like that um that those

[3:45:34] superintendents are still available at

[3:45:35] the camp sites um but for people with

[3:45:38] planning uh ongoing planning files you

[3:45:41] can still contact the person responsible

[3:45:43] that for that file they are working from

[3:45:45] home and um servers are coming back

[3:45:47] online uh right now so uh I'll just say

[3:45:51] that no one was hurt no one was in the

[3:45:53] building not even maintenance staff or

[3:45:54] anything were in the building at the

[3:45:55] time however uh they do believe if

[3:45:58] anyone was they would have been severely

[3:46:01] hurt or or killed so we're very lucky

[3:46:03] that it was empty at the time and uh um

[3:46:07] we will have updates coming I guess for

[3:46:09] when everything gets back online

[3:46:13] they so sorry it's not in a natural

[3:46:15] Hazard area it was struck by

[3:46:17] lightning Oh you mean flooding that that

[3:46:20] kind of you're not get flood Mak

[3:46:23] councelor hinchberger is doing

[3:46:26] me okay councelor Stewart please thank

[3:46:30] you uh you took one of my uh things but

[3:46:33] thank you very much for mentioning it it

[3:46:34] blew out the front doors I mean this

[3:46:36] thing was a major thing I mean it it

[3:46:37] just blew out the whole building all

[3:46:39] electrical um another thing is I'd like

[3:46:42] to thank the tan agricultur Society the

[3:46:44] lion and everyone who participated to

[3:46:46] make the tit and Fall Fair a huge

[3:46:48] success and thank for the person

[3:46:50] upstairs who made the weather even nicer

[3:46:52] so that was great Jane I'd like to thank

[3:46:55] you and your staff the fairgrounds never

[3:46:56] looked as good as they did that weekend

[3:46:58] so I know you guys did a lot of work so

[3:47:00] thank you very much and I guess a few of

[3:47:02] us will be going to the Chamber of

[3:47:04] Commerce award to tomorrow night so

[3:47:06] we'll be breaking some bread so maybe

[3:47:08] we'll see you there or not and that's

[3:47:12] it ccor Kavanaugh

[3:47:16] thank you very much and through the

[3:47:16] chair it's hard going towards the end I

[3:47:18] don't know why you do it you should go

[3:47:20] first um I guess the one thing I will

[3:47:22] share is that uh our Council currently

[3:47:24] has a vacancy and uh is accepting

[3:47:26] applications for someone interested in

[3:47:28] joining us um you can submit through the

[3:47:30] clerk's office during regular business

[3:47:32] hours and that is open until October

[3:47:37] 25th so our dropin Center downtown

[3:47:41] concard and the bridge is hosting a uh

[3:47:44] fundraising activity up at Underwood

[3:47:46] Saturday night it is a dinner dance sort

[3:47:49] of thing uh line dancing predominantly

[3:47:52] so if you're good at that bring your

[3:47:54] cowboy hat and your boots and away we go

[3:47:57] and uh we're right in the middle of

[3:47:59] Agriculture week

[3:48:01] so if you have opportunity thank a

[3:48:03] farmer for having a great breakfast

[3:48:06] today okay

[3:48:08] ceao I have no announcements

[3:48:16] all right so we need a mover and

[3:48:20] seconder the council moveing to close

[3:48:21] session pursuant to section 2392 of the

[3:48:24] municipal act as amended for the purpose

[3:48:26] of considering the closed session

[3:48:28] minutes dated September 25

[3:48:30] 2024 trade secret or scientific

[3:48:32] technical commercial Financial or Labor

[3:48:34] Relations information supplied in

[3:48:36] confidence to the municipality or local

[3:48:38] board which if disclosed could

[3:48:40] reasonably be expected to Prejudice

[3:48:41] significantly the competitive position

[3:48:43] or interfere significantly with

[3:48:44] contractual or other negotiations of a

[3:48:46] person group or persons or organizations

[3:48:49] Bruce Powers Municipal social economic

[3:48:52] existing concessions report H personal

[3:48:55] matters about an identifiable individual

[3:48:58] including mpal or local board employee

[3:49:00] candidates for vacancy on accessibility

[3:49:02] advisory committee and fur that the

[3:49:04] council returned to regular open meeting

[3:49:06] upon completion move by counselors

[3:49:08] Blackwell and hinchberger all in favor

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