[6:22] We did. I know we chair and committee member Garcia, you guys went out with me together to look at the street segments. I went out with committee member Kelly on Monday, and we walked the street segments and took a look at everything on Monday. So we've had a couple of the committee members go out with me, and I'm sure some of them may have done it on their own as well.

[6:50] You had some recommendations of things.

[7:02] In preparation of storms and some of the, so

[7:06] So back in the 2024, large storm we had, we had a little bit of the upslope, came down on the roadway, kicked water to the downslope side and the road had a bit of the roadway over there.

[7:20] Since that time, it has continued to road away a little way, so last year we sandbagged and put tarp over it just to keep the water off that particular location.

[7:32] This year, because we're expecting a very heavy El Niño, so a lot of rain, maybe similar to what we had in the 24 storms.

[7:42] I had a local contractor offer to do some work for us, no charge.

[7:49] So we're putting a burn currently, right now they're putting a burn out on the floor in that section, kind of from when you're around the corner and head towards El Taraza.

[7:59] So we're going down through that area where there was a bit of a failure and when I was

[8:05] out walking with the contractor yesterday a little bit farther down there is a really

[8:10] good like local depression in that area and then a little bit past that you can tell where

[8:15] the water is going over there and it's a road to the side of the road right there so I added

[8:19] a little bit of work to it to fill that area and raise it up a little bit, brought those

[8:24] to get some more curb in there so we don't continue to road the side of La

[8:29] Floor, worse than it is today. So that one will be coming to Council and

[8:35] the Council members have never mentioned there. Probably isn't emergency work

[8:37] since we're out there doing some work. We can take advantage of that and get it

[8:42] done and prepared ahead of the storms. But we've kind of looked at that road

[8:47] segment for a while and we were out there all together walking it.

[8:52] That edge of

[8:53] the roadway, it's pretty steep over there, you can kind of see as we've done the road

[8:58] over the years, they don't necessarily roll really hard to the edge of that roadway because

[9:03] it's so much of a drop off on that side. So the road kind of just sort of feathers over

[9:07] and it starts to like sort of break off in chunks along that whole edge over there.

[9:12] City Engineer has made a recommendation that we had talked about out there of taking

[9:19] that stretch, removing the roadway, potentially re-grading it, adding dirt, having the contractor

[9:26] come in, rebuild the subsurface to sort of raise that side of it, and get the water to

[9:32] pitch toward the hillside, and go down, was something that Gerald and Grace and I had talked

[9:39] about on the past for that segment of roadway.

[9:43] Our old city engineer, Akram, his other recommendation was a retaining wall, kind of put a retaining

[9:48] All the way down that stretch, that'll help retain the roadway.

[9:52] You can build to it, both of those options are probably relatively expensive to do it.

[9:58] When I was out with the contractor, walk.

[10:05] So, if you've ever seen that, it's where they put like sort of the steel eye beams into the ground, and then it gets filled with the wood boards to it. If you a lot of times used in construction for when they're building like basements to big giant skyscrapers. Also, a lot of times, CalTrans does it when they're cutting roadways through hillsides. That's how they cut back the hillsides that way.

[10:27] something that may be a little more cost-effective for us, has a good lifespan to it, wouldn't be as invasive of a project to do, so something I think worth us exploring that option to see if it would be out of that probably the most expensive piece would be the steel for the beams that go into the ground.

[10:50] Those, you know, steel is not cheap, especially now, that would probably be the most expensive part of it, but something for us to consider and maybe explore that way we could, we could drive them in.

[11:01] The nice thing is they probably go in maybe 10 to 12 feet down, so we get a good anchor to it, and we'd be able to sort of build to it.

[11:10] It'll help support the roadway, so it won't be continuing to slough for a go downhill as an option for us to look at.

[11:18] On the downslope side, yeah, not a lot of us kind of fix that edge, be able to roll it,

[11:24] put a nice berm on it, keep the water off that steep section of downslope there, and then

[11:31] maybe work the angle a little bit to keep the water on the inside portion of it along

[11:37] the upslope with a new berm to it.

[11:39] This is something for us to consider as we look at that piece.

[12:19] Yeah,

[12:32] yeah.

[12:34] So like square footage wise, the last project we did was sort of the double project.

[12:38] We're looking to try to do the double project again.

[12:40] We did 416,000 square feet of area, kind of calking those areas.

[12:48] Okay, so Avocado Crest, Citron, LaFlore, Pleasant Crest, and Vista in the loop.

[12:53] It's about 312,000 square feet to it, for those road waste segments to it.

[13:04] I don't know if there's anything else you had considered, or maybe a bit of Fullerton road from Harbor up towards East Road.

[13:14] Remind me what Walnut Street looks like, Walnut and the other 40, Tangelo Lane.

[13:22] Those are both 46 and 49 PCIs.

[13:26] Did we see those when we did the walk around?

[13:29] We did.

[13:30] Tangelo is the little, Tangelo is off of Peppertree and Insinus.

[13:37] It was a little cold asack.

[13:39] Kind of comes up.

[13:40] It's got some heavy cracking to it.

[13:43] There's a couple of houses on it.

[13:44] It's sort of, it's the last street in that area that hasn't been done over there.

[13:50] But we kind of looked at maybe potentially doing some, maybe like R and R on the upper

[13:56] portion of it, who was a little bit heavy early cracked and maybe a slurry on the lower portion

[14:02] of it to get some more time out of it.

[14:05] It doesn't see a lot of traffic.

[14:06] There's only a, I think a couple of properties that take access off it, so it's not heavily

[14:10] not a heavy traffic load on it, which is good.

[14:22] Some R&Rs and in slurry and those areas might go.

[14:25] Walnut is a little bit rougher on the southern end, so coming out of La Habra,

[14:31] up towards the preserve neighborhood, the one that's kind of set up where it has an entrance like a gated community entrance.

[14:38] That stretch right there is a little bit rougher, and then it's not terrible the rest of the way through.

[14:45] there's some potholes and some roots and areas that we could potentially look at R and R

[14:51] and maybe include a slurry component to do some of those areas and slurry.

[14:55] Thank you.

[15:15] Figure for us like budget wise, it would probably be the next budget would be the one we do. So figure we do design through the winter portion of it and then construction like bid in the beginning of next year so we can start construction in July, where we have the funds to pay for a double project to it. July. Then

[15:47] I had another council member throw up an idea out that he had related to.

[15:56] like storm stuff right now since we have a lot of areas that need some berms like I'm putting

[16:02] in a little bit of berm today and tomorrow over on the floor just to kind of make sure we're surviving

[16:08] the rainstorms but there's lots of areas that also could use a little bit of berm to it he thought

[16:13] of it might be an interesting idea to do like a special one off berm project where we go in and add

[16:20] some berms, I know when we did the work on Alvacara Crest in the last project, there's

[16:26] a little bit of additional berm, I think we had kind of talked about me be doing but probably

[16:30] good to have in, there's some spots over on like East Skyline and Sharpless and West

[16:36] Road and East Road and some areas that could use some berm.

[16:41] He had an idea of maybe potentially doing a berm project, a separate berm project and

[16:48] We've been bidding that out and trying to get that done ahead of storm season.

[16:52] Which would be more identifying where berms would go and coordinating and doing it.

[16:59] Burm is done linear foot, so it's typically price per square, price per linear foot for berms.

[17:07] So we could potentially look at maybe as a separate project of just berms and

[17:12] not streets so that we can get some berms and areas that we know could use a berm.

[17:18] Try to get, that's one where we could identify those locations probably relatively quickly.

[17:23] Not have to do a super detailed set of plans because it's more linear fee area.

[17:30] So it's just having an idea of what that linear footages and where the locations are.

[17:36] And being able to bid that one relatively quickly, we could probably do a very simple.

[17:43] inspection component to it and do it quickly.

[17:48] Is it realistic to think that we could get it done before the big storms?

[17:52] Yeah. The wild card factors, if we do the like triangle berms that we have out there,

[17:58] there's typically like two contractors in the state that do it.

[18:02] So it's kind of the only two people in the game that do that type E berm.

[18:08] So sometimes it's making sure they're available to do the work for it.

[18:14] If you do square berms, and everybody has a blade to do a square berm, it gets a little harder if we do that,

[18:21] like try and go over a trapezoidal type e- berm, multiple berms that we typically use.

[18:29] There's like two main contractors that do those projects.

[18:39] If we sort of have a consensus of where we want to go, I'll go get the give that scope of work to the engineers to put together the proposal for design and they can take it to council to get authorization and kick off for design.

[18:56] I know we had a late start with council last month and we got another meeting coming up pretty quick so okay,

[19:20] we can do that with

[19:40] the perfect person who can talk to that right here with us tonight.

[19:43] So, the assessment is carried for a specific project, so yes, so if we, let's just say the assessment that's for

[19:56] 2627 isn't used in 2627, and we end up doing

[20:00] In the construction, the following year, it does carry over to that specific project for that specific year.

[20:10] Correct?

[20:26] Okay, the engineer, we're just going through guardrails earlier.

[20:31] I think last time we said we had it a little hiccup with Caltrans and them looking at some of our amounts that we've received from the feds and doing that, we squared that away, they did sign off on it, so it's in that approval process.

[20:46] We just haven't gotten the final E76 approval from CalTrans to bid the project, so hopefully soon it should be coming through.

[20:54] And then once we have the E76 approval from them, we are good to bid the project and we can move to construction.

[21:15] Yeah, yeah, we saw some unit quantities at a better price than we have in the past.

[21:22] And I think the way that project was, the bid package was put together kind of helped.

[21:27] There was less alternate bids, and a lot of times when you see those alternate bids,

[21:33] the unit costs are a lot more expensive than the main bid.

[21:37] So the way that bid package was put together for this last project, I think helped in that aspect as well.

[21:43] So

[21:47] yeah,

[21:52] yeah, I think do I have actuals that last 2325 project it was like 1.1575,000 was the bid award cost for that project.

[22:09] We actually spent about a little over $1.8 million in actual actual.

[22:19] Yeah, usually double project, we spend typically about a million dollars a project.

[22:24] So we kind of targeted that $2 million, it's

[22:31] going to be expensive for that component of it.

[22:41] I have a draft, so I just got a draft, I'm taking a quick look at it before I'll forward it out to you guys to take a look at.

[22:47] But draft of the report came in, so next meeting, I'll send it out to you guys.

[22:53] What is it that I'm going to try to have schedule Peter to come to the meeting and go through it with you guys at the October meeting and then we can hopefully finalize it and take it to council in November to adopt right we're still in September.

[23:07] Yes, still in September.

[23:09] So October hopefully be able to have Bucknam here to kind of do the presentation on the PMP and then we'll take it to council in November road

[23:27] closures during an emergency.

[23:28] So we did have an emergency last week.

[23:32] I did call you, Chair, because you do live in the area over there where I was and trying

[23:37] to figure out what was going on at the time.

[23:40] I reached out to you to see if you were home, but there was a fire on the west side of town.

[23:46] As part of that, there were road closures that were set up mainly to aid in emergency personnel

[23:55] to get to the site and allow people to get out of the city.

[23:58] So the Sheriff's Department set up a couple of closures through the city.

[24:03] At the north end, they had it closed at Skyline and Hoss Yenda.

[24:08] So they weren't letting traffic into the city, so stopping everybody up there.

[24:12] Also, they reached out to the city of La Habra.

[24:15] So the city of La Habra set up road closures at the southern end.

[24:18] Over here by City Hall, and had a couple of areas where they were turning people out into the neighborhoods.

[24:24] There was an accident a few weeks back at Avocado Crest Signal, and

[24:28] Bahabra PD also blocked the road right there, because fire had to be in the roadway.

[24:34] And I think they learned that when you turn in from St.

[24:37] Sonina into that neighborhood, you can kind of work your way back around and come out the other side where there's an opening to go back up north.

[24:42] So they had the final closure, hard, hard closure, signs and barricades in trucks, just above that, so a little bit north of the signal.

[24:51] So that one was one to kind of help try to keep people from flowing into the city allow the fire engines and other equipment that was coming in

[25:00] To the community, get to where it needed to be, would aid for people wanting to get out of the city, to be able to get out on to Hossianda and out. I know some of the people who are having trouble getting through the closures at the time that kind of needed to get in. So it's one of those things where I'm going to put it up there for us to kind of talk about other ways through, obviously like our residents we live here, we have an idea of other locations and ways into the town outside of Hossianda.

[25:30] You know, it's always one of those ones where you have like home field advantage.

[25:34] It's nice to be able to know that you a couple of other ways that probably aren't blocked

[25:38] that you can get through into the community, it would be a good one for us to start getting

[25:43] people thinking about alternative ways to be able to get in and out of your neighborhood

[25:47] or area when Haasian is closed for those aspects of it and then also it also brought up some

[25:57] things for us with obviously over where the area is a matrix. There's an oil sites

[26:03] over in those locations and at the time we were having a little bit of trouble getting

[26:09] the field operation people over to the wells to shut everything down. They shut everything

[26:14] down, do it computer based from from their offices or wherever they are in the world.

[26:19] They can shut stuff down but they always send the guys over to manually shut things down

[26:23] as well, and physically close valves and turn things off.

[26:29] Some of those field operation people kind of got stuck and held up by the law enforcement

[26:33] at certain areas and couldn't get over, so when the fire kind of kicked off, I had reached

[26:38] out to the water district to let them know there was a fire burning, the approximate location

[26:42] of where the fire was, just to make sure that they could have the pumps running in reservoirs

[26:47] full, knew where it was, and what was going on.

[26:50] And they dispatched one of their field operations people to the command post to be available to

[26:56] help with water stuff, I also touched based with Matrix Oil to find out about their field

[27:03] operation.

[27:04] I talked to Jessica and she was in the process of shutting everything down and then maybe

[27:09] ten minutes later she called me back and said, hey my guys are stuck at a Hossie end and

[27:14] West, they can't get on to West, they won't let them on to West to go over to Alampino to shut

[27:19] down the field over there physically shut down the field and so I at the same time Angie was

[27:25] at the command post and we had one of our lieutenants from the sheriff's former up there so we were

[27:30] able to talk with him. He was able to get those people through so it's one of those things

[27:34] thinking about like for future events we need some sort of identification for the matrix field

[27:39] off people to be able to get through water just for people if they have trouble getting through to be

[27:43] able to get through those closures and barricades set up.

[27:47] But kicked off later in the afternoon, it burned to the evening hours.

[27:54] We had water-dropping helicopter to put it out.

[27:57] We had about 152 firefighters from the county and our ARI partners that all came out and

[28:04] helped put out the flames.

[28:06] Sheriff's Department was there to help with evacuation, so getting people out of the homes.

[28:10] especially up on Castellero as it burned sort of started down at Los Palomas,

[28:15] Lupin Hill area, and then burnt uphill towards Castellero, so trying to get

[28:19] people from Castellero out of their homes. Once they got everybody out that wanted to

[28:25] go out, then they moved into getting pets and things out, Sheriff's Department

[28:29] brought in their mounted enforcement division. So the, you know, horse cops,

[28:35] They came in with their trucks and trailers to help evacuate any large animals that may be in the area to get them out.

[28:43] They did evacuate a couple of horses from the area just to get them safe and out of the way.

[28:49] Pets got taken to the shelter in Downey and held for the owners to make sure they were safe.

[28:55] And we were able to get people reconnected with that.

[28:58] And then overnight, sort of about 8.30, 9 o'clock, incident commander started releasing some of the assets.

[29:08] So letting the other fire departments go overnight, our fire department.

[29:13] We had four pieces of apparatus, so we brought in additional volunteers,

[29:17] different additional firefighters, additional captains to come.

[29:21] So we had staffed our new 771, we had 772 out there.

[29:25] We also staffed our old 771 which we're calling 774 and our brush patrol were there overnight to watch and put out hotspots and look for it and then the next day came in with our four pieces of apparatus along with two county hand crews with camp crews to climb the hillsides and put out hotspots and put water cut into trees that maybe smouldering inside and put those hotspots out so they kind of got all that stuff out.

[29:54] And then our fire department was there all the way through like past midnight.

[30:00] Tonight, Sunday, just on fire watch and putting out things. We did lose two houses on Castellero for that. So, what was the total loss? The other house, there was some portions of it that weren't damaged. So, fire got the things out of those portions and then they phoned the houses to make sure it didn't keep flaring up. We had some issues with those flaring back up over the next couple of days. So, they put some foam in it.

[30:28] The phone makes the water wetter, so it penetrates a little better, and we'll keep things out, and then our arson, so sheriff's and area E, arson division are in the process of doing the investigation for the cause and the start of it, so they

[32:55] didn't end up using our hydrant wood ear has one that they've installed that's not that far from where the fire is, so they ended up using the one over in wood ear.

[33:03] So they made it like a rotation between, so they sort of flew to that hydrant over towards

[33:08] Lake Lake and then back so they can get the helicopters working in like a triangle pattern

[33:13] to come in and make dumps to it.

[33:15] But they took advantage of the one, it was really close to it so it was a little bit closer

[33:21] to the fire and kept it a tighter, tighter rotation for them using the one in Whittier.

[33:25] On

[33:33] the accident that you mentioned here in Avocado Cras signal, was it any fault of the signal situation?

[33:41] I don't have the report yet. I did see there was two. There's been two accidents there. One, I know the details of the other one I don't.

[33:49] From what we've seen video wise, from a couple of the neighbors over there have cameras that face out that way.

[33:54] It looked like somebody was making a left onto avocado crust, sort of, they were cheating

[34:00] the yellow as somebody going north on Hossie and it was sort of also cheating the yellow,

[34:06] and they hit and then hit somebody who was waiting to make a right onto Hossie and it

[34:11] from avocado crust.

[34:12] They sort of all kind of came together right there as it really was kind of going through

[34:17] the yellow at the same time.

[34:19] Yeah, the other one I don't I don't know the details of it it happened our firefighters were actually on another call

[34:26] So it was 191's who came in and took care of it

[34:29] But it was something related to somebody with a motorcycle and I don't know how bad or details

[34:51] Yeah, we'll put together some milestones as soon as I finish taking a quick look at this hopefully by the end of the week

[34:56] I'll share the draft PMP with you to take a

[35:00] Look at, we'll work on scheduling Peter for the next meeting.

Roads Advisory Committee Meeting

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