[4:47] We're good to go. Good evening, everyone, and call to order the regular council meeting for Tuesday, September 6th, and we acknowledge that we are conducting our business today in the unceded territory as Celix, Okanagan people. As council, we recognize the importance of doing our best to build respectful relationships that contribute to stirring the land and waters in the community within

[5:17] Integrity and consideration for future generations.

[5:21] And the first up is to adopt the agenda

[5:24] for the regular council meeting.

[5:26] Councilor Scarole, Councilor Arana.

[5:27] Those in favour, both.

[5:29] Motion carries.

[5:29] Thank you.

[5:31] And adoption of the minutes of the regular council meeting

[5:34] of August 16th.

[5:36] Councilor Gamble and Councilor McKenzie.

[5:39] Heirs or omissions.

[5:41] Very none.

[5:43] Those in favour, both.

[5:45] Motion carries.

[5:46] Thank you. I forgot to mention earlier. I didn't take a row call, but Councillor Cosa

[5:52] is attending online.

[5:57] The report for me is simply the regional district report that has been

[6:06] circulated. And the announcements, the pop-up recycling event will be held Saturday, September 17th,

[6:14] 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. at the corner of Main Street and Hill Road, free drop off of glass bottles

[6:23] and jars, Styrofoam packaging, plastic bags, and other flexible plastic packaging as well

[6:30] as electronics will be accepted at the pop-up for that recycling. And I'm not sure if it's the last

[6:39] one of the, but regional district handles those.

[6:44] And presentation from our member of parliament,

[6:49] Tracy Gray. You come forward?

[7:11] Oh wow. Oh,

[7:36] we know. Okay, well, how about shall I start

[7:40] over for the record? So Tracy Gray, remember parliament? You get to go over the speakers with the important

[7:47] Okay, great. Well, I'm here to make a special presentation to you your worship for your long-standing career careers and service that you've had to the community. And so I'll read this official Parliamentary Certificate, which I will come up and present to you momentarily.

[8:07] Thank you.

[8:10] Congratulations, Mayor James Baker.

[8:13] I am pleased to extend my sincere congratulations as you retire as mayor of the district of Lake Country.

[8:20] You have truly shown what service is through your years as a director on the Central Okanagan Regional District Board,

[8:27] Lake Country's representative on the Colona Airport Advisory Committee, your involvement with the Okanagan Basin Water Board,

[8:33] your immeasurable involvement in various other groups, and above all your

[8:39] great service as the mayor of the District of Lake Country. Thank you for your

[8:43] commitment to our community. Well thank you very much.

[9:40] down to business thank you no no roasting yeah

[9:57] how he's good thing public

[9:59] comments not permitted during election period so no public comment tonight and

[10:11] development related applications and our chief building inspector is up Zara

[10:19] Notice on title for camp road.

[10:36] Good evening your worship and council. I'm here for a notice

[10:39] on title recommendation for 1525 camp road. So the property at 1525 camp road is placed

[10:45] on several tent structures without the benefit of building permits and we're recommending

[10:50] a notice on title on this property due to the owner not updating a building permit. So this

[10:56] is the subject property. You can see some of the tents over onto the left hand side of the

[11:00] screen there.

[11:03] So in May 2020, we were aware that they had some erected some of these tents

[11:08] and we sent out various letters throughout the process. They did come in with an application,

[11:14] but the application was incomplete and so that application did expire in September 2021.

[11:20] And then this brings the tents were re erected so we sent another letter out on June 21,

[11:26] 2022. The property owner was in the office today to pick up some documents from that expired

[11:31] building permit application to try to put together completed application. But we have not received

[11:38] a complete building permit application at this time. Councillor Scaria in the question.

[11:45] Yeah, for the benefit of staff and council, I did have a lengthy conversation today with the

[11:51] owner of XDLO, Jeff. And there's a couple of things that I'm confused about. First off, we're

[12:01] We're talking about non-permanent structures, structures that are taken up every spring

[12:08] and taken down every September, and have been for the last seven years.

[12:13] So I'm curious to understand why we need a building permit for that or in fact why it needs

[12:21] to be supported with an engineering document.

[12:26] But beyond that, I'll get those questions answered later.

[12:30] Beyond that, Jeff has assured me that he has secured an engineer, and that the engineer now is working on the supporting documents that are required to give the district the confidence that these are safe and pose no risk.

[12:49] So outside of my questions of why he needs to have this building permit.

[12:55] He told me that when he bought the tents and he owns them, he doesn't rent them, he owns them.

[13:01] When he bought the tents, he was given basically a plan with the tent on how to construct it.

[13:09] And when the district queried that and wanted more assurance that it was safely built and

[13:15] things, he got an engineer to write a letter suggesting that it was installed to the specifications

[13:21] that the instructions or the plan laid out.

[13:26] So he felt that he had complied when he brought that letter in.

[13:31] It was also rejected, not what's required.

[13:36] What's required is an engineer stamp approval.

[13:41] And he's processing, he says within a next week or two, he would have that accomplished.

[13:47] and then he would be able to complete his building permit.

[13:51] So he has plans to do things the correct way.

[13:54] So after debate, I'm interested in deferring this,

[13:58] but I'll wait and hear what everyone else has to say.

[14:01] But Zarek, can you kind of highlight to me

[14:03] why it is a temporary tent that's taken up and put down every year

[14:09] and that's constructed to its specifications

[14:13] According to the engineer that signed off on that letter, why are we taking it further?

[14:23] There was quite a bit of other missing information required to do with the distances to other buildings.

[14:29] We never did get a proper site plan to detail how where these were exactly on the property, how close they were to other buildings.

[14:36] There was quite a few other things that were missing.

[14:39] Section 3.1 in the BC Building Code does apply to tent structures.

[14:43] And there was an appeal back a few years ago, 1640 BC Code Field, 1640.

[14:50] And they were questioning whether or not this was required for tent structures.

[14:54] And the province has said if they are housing an occupancy, they must.

[15:03] Okay. I guess the second part of my query is driving around a lake entry, in particular today. I noticed there's similar tents in latitude, there's similar tents in quite a few different areas that do commerce and farms and such and do all of those need to have. They should be having a building permits. I do have about 70 files that are still

[15:29] Well, coming forward for notice on title, I do work with these on an everyday basis trying to work the applicants and I have correspondents with everybody to try to get these into compliance.

[15:39] The section 12 under the BC under our building regulation by-law does deal with temporary structures and what is required to get a temporary structure building permit.

[15:47] So in the building regulation by-law, it does specifically save you're having a building less than 12 months.

[15:53] You need to have a building permit for temporary structure.

[15:58] So just to be clear, we have 70 files coming or a number of files coming forward that pertain to tents on.

[16:09] Well, I know I'm not sure that I'll be pertaining to tents.

[16:11] It's just a variety of things, but I am working on about 70 different files of expired building permits and people who have done work without permits.

[16:20] And there are some tents that are included in those files.

[16:23] Okay, right now in the district of Lake Country, do we have any tents that have a building permit approved?

[16:34] I can't recall off the top of my head, no, I don't know.

[16:37] So this would be the first one, perhaps.

[16:39] Okay.

[16:40] Okay, I definitely think we should give this man some time.

[16:45] Okay, thank you.

[16:46] Anybody else?

[16:47] Councillor McKenzie.

[16:48] So, you know, when you say that question about other tents there, I thought Ian Don also had a tent that we had approached as well with the same concern.

[17:05] But he removed his.

[17:07] So he took his down after we did this.

[17:10] Okay. So those tents obviously are engineered to start with, right?

[17:17] For somebody to build. So I just curious when you buy one of those things.

[17:21] I guess what we're requiring or the BC building code is requiring is that you go back to whoever you buy and get one of those letters.

[17:33] You actually, so you really need to, if you buy one, you have to plan on bringing an

[17:43] engineer in order to-

[17:44] The structural engineer will look at the design of the plans and also the installation

[17:48] to make sure that it compiles.

[17:50] So that's what the letters of assurance on the BC building code say is that they will

[17:53] look at the design and also the field review to ensure that they've been installed as per

[17:57] the plans.

[17:57] And then when that's done, if we get a letter Cb, this says they have gone and done that work, that's our reliance.

[18:05] Okay, so if somebody sets this up and just thinking out loud on this one, if you set this up one year and you have it engineered properly and we're approving it,

[18:19] when you pull it down and then set it back up again in the same spot, you're going to require...

[18:25] That's right. The next year, they'll need another temporary bill and government out case, which were all the same documentation as the previous year.

[18:33] So the cost of doing all that is that how, you know, I'm just thinking, you know, these are not a one Z thing in here. There's, there's a number of them around.

[18:45] And by the time you get through that file list you're not getting all 70 or however many

[18:55] tens they are.

[18:56] Or, you know what I'm thinking on this one, is that where your time is best, right?

[19:03] I'm just thinking out loud again, I'm just, that's a lot of files, and how is your-

[19:08] You have these ones because they're housing people from the public, and to me that's more

[19:12] more of a hazard than somebody who has a one in their backyard that has their them and their their spouse under it is being used in a public facility where the public is coming and people expect in the public to be able to go to a place that's safe.

[19:29] Okay, so what I'm looking at this one has.

[19:32] Yeah, so I like obviously if there's that many we just need to come up with which right because that's what you're seeing.

[19:39] So, to me, it seems like it'd be nice if we can get something that's a little easier process than what I'm hearing here, so.

[19:50] Well, I just further on in here, I do have the building bulletin from the city of Pentectin, so we do work very closely with regional people.

[19:59] Just to try to get consistency across the Okanagan, so exactly in this bulletin from Pentectin, they require exactly what I've been asking for.

[20:08] This is the procedure in Pentectin,

[20:13] in a public building they want these, and the appeal

[20:16] board from the BC province is saying that these are, because they have an occupancy,

[20:21] they need to be dealt with in a certain way, including structural engineering, and that's

[20:24] coming straight from the province.

[20:27] And the thing is, we have to remember is that even though we're in municipal government,

[20:30] I'm enforcing a provincial regulation, so ultimately, the province of BC has the final

[20:35] say.

[20:38] I guess my I have a wall tent that I spend a couple of weeks in a year, you know, when I got that I set that thing up. We live in it and stuff. And I just look at it and go, you know, what's different, right?

[20:50] So, let me say, I'm a personal use and commercial

[20:54] Councillor Gamble.

[20:56] Yes, I just wanted to ask, and maybe it doesn't compare,

[21:02] but the farmer's market that is down every Friday night.

[21:06] In writing this appeal from the province,

[21:09] it's saying those temporary ones that go up and down

[21:12] for the farmer's market are not considered

[21:13] to be a permanent structure, and they're not

[21:15] to be done under the BC building code.

[21:18] But these ones that are put up for the six months are to be dealt with as a building and do you need to meet this you building code including structural engineering and that is from the province.

[21:28] More

[21:31] permanent than temporary.

[21:33] Councillor.

[21:37] No, I was just seeing if I had anybody before you, but so Councillor Scarrow, second time around the part that Councillor McKenzie brought forward that I think is incredibly interesting as the fact that right now.

[21:51] For the sake of safety and wear and tear and stuff like that, Jeff takes down these tents every summer in the fall, September is what he suggested.

[22:02] So now you're telling me that when he puts them up again next spring, he's going to have to do all this over again.

[22:07] A temporary building permit is good for 12 months.

[22:10] If he wants to keep them up permanently, then that's a whole different story.

[22:13] That's where this is going.

[22:15] because if he gets a structural engineering, which he says to me, he's going to have in a week or two and he gets his building permit filled out and he gets it approved.

[22:25] He's not going to do all that again.

[22:27] So he's going to leave those buildings up for the winter and I wonder how does that benefit us and and you know, is it a risk and maybe maybe the owner might wish to speak to that, I do believe he's here.

[22:43] So is that allowed?

[22:46] The owner has the right to speak at Noa's on title.

[22:50] I can let the owner speak now.

[22:51] We can hear from the app.

[22:56] Do you need a motion to hear from the public?

[22:58] No.

[22:59] Yes.

[23:01] Yes.

[23:02] Yes.

[23:02] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[23:03] No, you do not.

[23:04] To notice on title, the owner's provided notification that they can attend and speak to Noa's.

[23:09] So yes.

[23:09] Okay, do you come forward?

[23:11] This is, come forward, state, your name, thank you.

[23:17] Good evening, my name is Jeff Harder

[23:20] and I am one of the owners and partners of X-N-E-E-L.

[23:23] And before we get started,

[23:24] I want to thank you, Mayor, for your service as well.

[23:27] You're in Lake Country

[23:28] and you've been a big part of this community

[23:30] and since I moved here almost 30 years ago,

[23:34] we've saw a lot of your name, we've all been great.

[23:36] So thank you.

[23:38] So first of all,

[23:39] I'd like to mention to all of you that this has been a very challenging project for us at XNHilo to do.

[23:52] I'm not going to use COVID as part of the excuse, but I will because even trying to get information from the district during COVID that was holding me up and with lawyers are not lawyers with engineers, it's been very, very difficult.

[24:07] So, I would hope that before I speak a little bit further is that we could defer the notice

[24:15] on title for at least a couple more weeks because I'm paying a lot of money to do this.

[24:22] And just as Councillor McKenzie just said, he has one personally in his yard, safety's

[24:30] paramount with all of my customers and anybody that comes into our place.

[24:34] So, safety's always first.

[24:35] First, I don't think that's the issue and we want to comply and make things right.

[24:43] It's just the process that we've and the hoops that we've had to jump through.

[24:49] And I'm not an engineer and I'm not versed in this business at all.

[24:54] But what I will tell you is from my experience of this file is in with the building department

[25:05] I've been asking them to please hold my hand on this, and let's walk together because I think I'm in the first tent that this and if we could go back in the files and look and maybe shed some more light to help us get through this because it's been very difficult.

[25:21] One is we purchased the tent and it doesn't and for when I understand it's it's I'm temporary. What's temporary is it one month, six months a weekend? I don't know.

[25:33] So if we could clarify what's temporary and what that length of time is, would be great.

[25:38] Number one, number two is if it's at the park down here and that's just for the night or the weekend,

[25:47] they should all require the same thing because public's under that.

[25:52] I'm not, so I agree, we have public under there, not a lot.

[25:55] There'll be more people under the weekend tent at the park here than at my place on the weekend.

[26:02] We use it as an overflow and when the sun is hot.

[26:06] If there's bad weather or anything like that, we're not out there doing anything.

[26:10] Our people are inside the wineries.

[26:13] Number two is when I purchased this tent, it comes with an engineered stamp drawing from

[26:19] a BC accredited engineer from what I understand.

[26:23] I can see it on the file, it's there.

[26:27] Apparently I'm required to have an engineer come out and look and make sure that it was installed properly, which we have done.

[26:35] And I paid dearly for that and he stamped a letter, but apparently that's not good enough.

[26:44] And I think we need, and again, the schedules C or B or whatever letter it is, we need one of those.

[26:51] Now, to get an engineer that didn't design that tent to come out and kind of supersede,

[27:02] they're asking to do something that's kind of not what they're supposed to be doing.

[27:09] Apparently, I don't know. That's what I've told.

[27:12] So, I'm begging and pleading this engineer to say,

[27:15] just can you give me this latest schedule that's asked for?

[27:20] And so he's saying, yes, I'll do that, right?

[27:25] Wrong or otherwise, he's going to stamp a schedule and get this done.

[27:30] I have phoned and it was great to see that Pentectin's doing something because I have phoned other municipalities.

[27:38] I've talked to municipalities, or the tent manufacturers that have sold to municipalities.

[27:43] And they've never been asked for anything other, and maybe they're doing it internally,

[27:47] but other than the drawing that the manufacturer supplies it's stamped.

[27:53] So it's a big issue, it's a small thing, but it's a big issue apparently.

[27:58] I don't mind paying the $100 application fee.

[28:01] It did run out on me once or twice now.

[28:04] I did have drawings, when you hand over a file, the clerks here have been great,

[28:15] and they accepted it and took the first one, and now I'm told I'm missing something.

[28:20] So what I guess what we're missing is the schedule.

[28:22] Now I did have the drawings and in fact I picked them up today and the drawings are here.

[28:27] So of where everything is placed.

[28:29] and so it's just been difficult and we're a big part of the community here we

[28:35] employ almost 70 people at our place and we want to continue to comply I love

[28:42] this place we're gonna continue to grow here in Lake Country and we want to do

[28:46] things right there's lots of wineries I think there's some tents and I think

[28:51] there's some other wineries that are running out there without permits what I

[28:54] I understand, but that's another conversation.

[28:58] So in the meantime, what I'd like to ask for today from this console is to please give

[29:03] me, I was talking to Bill today, thank you for calling, by the way.

[29:09] And mention that I'm around the corner, I think, with everything that I have.

[29:15] And if the building department can, if next time I submit to please say, yeah, just one more thing, but help me with that.

[29:28] I've spent thousands of dollars, almost to the tune of what the tent cost me.

[29:33] And I'm not here to throw other businesses under the rug, but you can just drive right here at the RV place.

[29:43] They have they've had one up and I don't know if they take it down or what they do, but I don't know if they have a permanent end or not.

[29:51] So anyway, thank you. I'll take any questions.

[29:55] It's, thank you, Councillor Reid.

[29:58] Thank you for coming in, Geoff.

[29:59] And...

[30:00] I appreciate you talking and giving us, you know, where you've gone on this, I certainly will be supporting Councillor Scarrow's motion to defer. I just had a quick question. Yes. How big is the tent hat? What's the square for a ticket? Or square meter? One is 20 by 20 and one's 30 by 30 feet or meters? Yeah. And I've had them up close. Yeah, sorry, not meters feet. Yeah. And they are put up properly. And the engineers did come out and look at it. And they've been put up properly since we bought them almost eight years ago.

[30:29] Because I noticed the city of Vancouver has a tent permit requirements as well, and it's

[30:35] required building permits for tents, but it does specify that they have to be over 60 square

[30:39] metres.

[30:40] So I just wondered whether there's a refri- is there something in the building code that

[30:46] actually has a size?

[30:47] Because you'll sound smaller than that in my metric to a feet issue.

[30:51] I'm a purely metric guy, but I just wondered is there something that we could, that's size

[30:59] related to this because if the city of Vancouver, just on my brief Google, building permit application for temporary tents and stages, it says they're required for tents that exceed 60 square meters or 60 meters square in areas.

[31:12] So I don't think mine follows under that size, no.

[31:16] Okay, but yeah, and if I'm the first one out here, the guinea pig on this, I'm fine,

[31:28] but you know, long as we can work together, I guess, is my point, and my dad was the head

[31:35] of the inspection department in the province of Alberta construction and sadly as Parkinson's

[31:45] and he's trying to tell me some things that I should do, but not quite understanding them.

[31:50] But sadly, I think we've got some work to do on this.

[31:54] And I do want to make it right.

[31:56] And so it's easy for the next people because as your building department will tell you,

[32:01] this has been a long thorn.

[32:03] And I'll be honest, I threw up my hands a few times and send me a $300 fine or whatever and we'll take it down.

[32:11] I'm just, I'm at the end of my rope on this.

[32:13] So, but look, but I, in the last few days, I have made some headway with the engineer and he said, he'll do it.

[32:21] That's a bit of their ethics to count through Arlin.

[32:25] Yeah, thank you, Mr. Marin.

[32:27] Yeah, I'd be supporting Bill as well.

[32:29] I mean, I know how hard it is to, well, supporting his motion.

[32:35] Thank you.

[32:36] I have a fair bit of experience with tens of myself and my former career.

[32:40] and there's a big difference between your tents and the tents that are at

[32:46] Swawa Park, right? The tents that you have, I've actually been to the place that

[32:50] makes them in its in Surrey. It's on a massive farm in Surrey and you have no

[32:54] idea the amount of tents these guys turn out and the quality of those tents. It's

[32:59] a completely different thing. They're they're engineered to be safe. If you follow

[33:04] the directions, I've had them these same exact brand tents in City Park in

[33:09] in gales, absolute wind blowing beyond and they will not blow away if they're set up to the

[33:16] manufacturer's specifications. So anyway, that's another story. You know, we're here to try

[33:21] to work with the community and make the community better. And, you know, I think that we should

[33:26] work with Exnehello to get this done. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Arman. Thank you. Any further discussion?

[33:33] Councilor Scarot. Yeah, before I move deferral, I would like Council's input on the length

[33:39] of time that we should defer this to. I know Jeff has told us he only needs a couple

[33:43] of weeks, but I kind of like the thought of either deferring it until we have our elections

[33:48] and the new Council, or trying to deal with it on our last meeting before we leave Council,

[33:54] and I'm not too sure what Council's feeling is on that. I'd like to hear about that.

[34:00] Go ahead, Councillor Schell.

[34:01] I'll cancel it.

[34:03] I was going to give it more time than two weeks, because just an optimistic guy,

[34:08] I'm a pessimistic guy.

[34:10] It takes time.

[34:11] It takes time to get things done, so let's give him a proper amount of time to do it.

[34:14] A couple of months, I think.

[34:15] Well, Todd, say in three.

[34:17] Three.

[34:19] So can I, first of all, thank you all if you pass this or not.

[34:24] But what I, that's very kind.

[34:27] And I am, I want this solved and done, the tents will be down in three months.

[34:33] So we can visit, and I'll pay again if I have to, and we submit everything next season.

[34:40] But I do have, I'm getting close to the engineer giving me everything.

[34:47] And I think I could have it.

[34:49] So I'll submit it and work with the district regardless.

[34:53] Thank you.

[34:54] And then if we, we can just go from there but-

[34:58] We are here from the plan.

[35:02] Good job.

[35:03] With that.

[35:04] Thank you.

[35:04] I guess.

[35:04] Thank you.

[35:06] Do you need a motion now, sir?

[35:08] No.

[35:08] I don't hear it from Jerry.

[35:12] Good evening, council.

[35:15] Through the mayor.

[35:16] Just, I was just doing some brief research while I was listening to the debate going on here with regards to the building code and what it states and just to be clear.

[35:23] to so that everybody understands.

[35:27] So 3.1.63 does speak to tents specifically.

[35:34] And the fact that tents and air supported structures

[35:38] that are to be used with the public in mind

[35:43] are to comply with certain regulatory elements

[35:46] of the building code.

[35:48] And that's something that's a provincial regulation.

[35:49] and we can't, we can't necessarily deviate from.

[35:57] So we're asking for deferment to meet compliance.

[36:02] Right, yeah.

[36:03] I just want to make that clear for council

[36:05] that there is building code required.

[36:08] Councilor Cosa, did you have discussion on this?

[36:13] Yeah, there's not much more I can say

[36:14] that hasn't already been said, but no one I didn't read this.

[36:17] a Googled tense flying away, and if you watch the videos, there's some pretty horrific

[36:22] things that can be seen. So I understand the need for this. If there are 70 files, we

[36:30] can't expect her to go through all 70 and deal with them. So I wonder if we wanted to

[36:34] have like a promotional thing or not a promotional thing, but like something that's like an educational

[36:39] thing for those people that do have tense and or being more proactive on it and getting

[36:46] the back-end line instead of getting to this point where it's going back and forth maybe

[36:52] even have a session or something like that but no I'm all for deferment but if there's

[36:57] 70 on this file that's going to take a long time to answer and that's going to burn up a lot

[37:01] hours. Thank you. That is a small number of files compared to what we used to have and it's not

[37:10] not all about tents, it's just in the building department itself, that there are places in

[37:16] the community that do not comply, and so it's not-

[37:21] I thought you said she had 70 tents.

[37:23] No, I don't think so.

[37:24] They're not all tents.

[37:25] I have 70 files to bring forward for a notice on title.

[37:28] There are a variety of different things, some of which are tents, but-

[37:32] Yeah, okay.

[37:33] Thank you.

[37:33] Perfect question.

[37:34] Yeah, before I make that motion, I'd like to speak to the director of planning again about the potential problem of having to go through this process every year.

[37:47] Is there anything within the BC legislature, BC us, rules and regulations there that can allow this a more organic type of existence rather than having to go through this process every year.

[38:02] The building environment every year?

[38:04] Yeah, the chief building inspector and I have had conversations about, no, there is no

[38:09] ability for, I mean, even lengthening out of the building permit, to extend to a two,

[38:15] four-year process, or permit for temporary structures to be taken up and down, but there's

[38:21] no provisions in our legislation that allow for that.

[38:24] So, it has to be done, Councillor, unless we change.

[38:28] unless Rollins changes. Let's make the motion to defer this for two months.

[38:36] Second. Councillor Reid had her hand up before you made your motion.

[38:41] Sorry, I just want to point to the BC's website. This is the government's website,

[38:46] bc.gov.bc.ca and on the BC Building Code, it says does the BC Building Code apply to temporary buildings?

[38:54] so temporary buildings might not need to meet the BC building code and then it

[38:58] actually differs to the local government and says contact your local government

[39:02] for further information. So even even the BC government is kind of going no this

[39:09] and so I yeah and I just wonder how Vancouver can have it on their website to say

[39:15] that it's only required if it's over 60 meters a square and it's you know real

[39:21] here from Chief Billion Inspector maybe. As far as the City of Vancouver is concerned they have

[39:26] the Vancouver Charter. They make their own room. Oh right. Thank you. Thanks for that clarification.

[39:35] Vancouver has their own building code. They don't apply to the BC building code because of the

[39:40] Charter. Okay. Our building regulation bylaw does specifically state temporary buildings require

[39:46] So every municipality may have a different building regulation bylaw that may speak differently to that but our specifically does say a temporary building does require a permit.

[39:56] And it couldn't be like a temporary use permit, which is for three years, even though you stop using the bill, you know, if you've got a temporary use permit and it's a three year valid, you can stop being using the temporary use aspect of it for any point during that three years and restart.

[40:10] out. And so you couldn't do that the same for 10s.

[40:17] It's temporary. Anyway, I made the motion serve for two months, but I have had discussion

[40:23] with my fellow councillors. They feel three months is more appropriate.

[40:27] Three months? Yeah, so I would like to withdraw the first motion and remove that the deferral

[40:34] goes for three months. All right. Seconded by Councillor Arlan.

[40:39] Understood? Any further discussion?

[40:42] Any further discussion?

[40:43] No, that may not be a favour.

[40:45] That's all come in.

[40:46] Jim Carri.

[40:46] Thank you.

[40:47] All right, next time.

[40:51] Temporary use permit.

[40:53] Next up.

[40:56] All right.

[40:57] Yes, you wait a minute.

[40:59] This is a notice on title for one here, one for bond road.

[41:03] This is blind tiger winery.

[41:05] They have done some commercial building additions

[41:07] conditions, including the addition of a commercial kitchen without building permit.

[41:14] So this is the subject of the meeting.

[41:15] One on the right one.

[41:17] Kind of small here.

[41:19] We were made aware back in 2019 that there was a building addition constructed without proper

[41:24] permits in place.

[41:26] A building permit application was received in October 2019.

[41:30] There was a lot of going back and forth about what was acquired.

[41:33] We did not get all the information required.

[41:36] and there is concerns with spatial separation that the building is not far enough away from the

[41:42] building next to it as required by BC building code and there was the threat of spread of fire so

[41:49] we have not been able to issue a building permit at this time and the property owner did come in

[41:56] May of 2022 and brought in basically the same application they had in before that was incomplete and we

[42:02] We did not take it in because we're not taking in complete applications.

[42:08] So the legislation and policies, same thing, community charter, allows us to put the notice

[42:13] on title with Council approval under Section 57, Building Regulation Baila, Baila Notice

[42:19] Enforcement Baila, Official Community Plan, Zoning Baila.

[42:23] So the commercial addition was constructed without the benefit of a Vailing Permit and

[42:26] today we have not received a complete building permit application.

[42:29] And there's some pictures of the structure.

[42:32] You can see it attached to the building there.

[42:34] And then there is another part where the commercial kitchen is with the commercial pizza hut.

[42:43] The owner and the audience was to present

[42:49] anything to Council.

[42:51] Very none.

[42:53] Anybody have any questions of the Chief Building Inspector,

[43:00] Councilor Reed?

[43:01] I think it's not a question of a comment, obviously this is dealing with fire and transmissibility

[43:08] towards the main structure, which is quite a different situation to the discussion previous

[43:14] as far as I can see it.

[43:17] And have the fire department had any comment on the pizza oven, or been to inspect it, or

[43:23] as it recognised as an issue?

[43:26] The complaint did come from interior health authority.

[43:29] Okay.

[43:30] Okay.

[43:30] So that's how we were made aware of it in the first place.

[43:32] Okay.

[43:33] It was another regulatory body.

[43:36] Yeah.

[43:36] Right.

[43:38] All right.

[43:39] Have a motion?

[43:42] Yeah.

[43:42] Um, notice on title, Councillor Reed and Councillor Arran.

[43:49] Those in favor?

[43:52] Opposed?

[43:53] None opposed?

[43:54] Motion carries.

[43:54] Thank you.

[43:55] Notice on title for a moon road.

[44:15] Thank you, Mr. Mayor, they were online since the meeting started and when you asked if there were any comments, they did not raise their hand or turn their camera on. So they have left the meeting now.

[44:28] Are they back? Oh, they are back and their cameras on. So yes, the applicant is available.

[44:34] you could hear the

[44:40] motion has been carried. You can pass a motion that the

[44:44] motion be rescinded and then hear from the applicant.

[44:52] Move to rescind it in a

[44:54] second is by those in favor of recent, opposed, motion carries.

[45:00] All right, we're back to square one. If you're there for the applicant, you presumably have

[45:09] heard our chief building inspector and the issue that noncompliance on your property.

[45:29] Notice

[45:29] hear what you have to say with regard to that issue.

[45:38] Can't hear you.

[45:43] Here's your mic is muted.

[45:47] Can you turn your mic on? Turn your mic on. There we go. How's that? Thank you.

[45:54] Okay. Thanks for everybody's patience. I'm new on this program here. Just figuring it out. Thank you.

[45:59] Yeah. My name is Corey Whalen. I'm here on behalf of Lentiger Winery. Jerry asked me to come on.

[46:04] is just traveling right now. So, just to touch on these last, there's only two

[46:09] outside on the items that I see listed on here, the spatial separation issue

[46:13] and the septic system. I just wanted to let everybody know that the septic system

[46:18] has been approved and that just happened in the last week with Dean's tech

[46:22] consulting and things are moving slow with the owners and trying to figure out

[46:27] what they need. Just generally some confusion and trying to get things done and I'm

[46:32] moving slowly. So that part's done. And on the spatial separation, that was the one part

[46:39] I wanted to touch on very quickly, if I could. The calculations from the DC-BC that were

[46:46] provided by our architect show that it isn't a safe fire distance, this building in question,

[46:52] but that there is a by-law for Lake Country that doubles that distance. So it's got to be

[46:58] further. And I just want to point out that the new fire hall is just down the hill from

[47:03] these guys really in sight. And so hope that there could be some consideration there.

[47:10] And so there's really no fire risk and the BCBC says so architect degrees. Well friend

[47:18] of mine Steve Thompson and neighbor came out to have a look back when and he saw no issues

[47:23] issues there. It just came back from the NAPI Valley where these vineyards are full of

[47:30] these types of structures and stuff and they're all irrigated around. So we're just going

[47:35] to request that the Council and Mr. Mayor approve option B which is listed in the remedies

[47:45] or C which allows the property owner to bring that last item to compliance. So he already

[47:53] He knows he can remove a little piece of roof that converts this because there's no walls.

[47:59] It's basically would just be a pergola then and then it wouldn't qualify as a building.

[48:05] This was suggested by the architect back when and talked with the lead building inspector

[48:10] who agreed with that option at the time.

[48:13] So I guess the real crime here is just things moving really slowly.

[48:17] A lot of that is just understanding for the owners trying to figure out what they need

[48:21] to do.

[48:21] and the other part is just getting down to doing it.

[48:25] So, anyways, just down to that very last item.

[48:28] So, again, I'd ask either B or C be considered.

[48:33] C is where it just comes into compliance in there.

[48:36] There is no notice placed on the property.

[48:40] And the B is that the file just be closed, right?

[48:45] So either way the owner was heading towards C anyway

[48:49] hoping to get that done soon. And yeah, he wants to come up to compliance and that's what I've

[48:56] been pushing him to do the whole time and get it done. And I think it's a pretty simple case and

[49:01] he's done, but he's seven out of eight things that happen now. So he's almost there and

[49:07] you know they created 38 student jobs this summer. I'm really proud of them for doing that.

[49:12] They're a big part of the community. They want to comply and make this work. And it's just been

[49:17] moving slowly. So some understanding help from council, then maybe he have a chance to do that.

[49:23] So those are the requests we're bringing forward.

[49:27] Yes, thank you. Any councillors have questions for the

[49:32] representative? Councilor Scaram?

[49:36] Councilor Reed.

[49:37] Hi. Thanks very much for being here and being available to us. You're telling me that the owner

[49:42] has gotten seven tenths or 70% of the way down the list and there's an intention to get the

[49:49] rest of the way. My question would be how long do you need it? Well he's actually off in Europe,

[49:57] I think right now, so it would probably be going on this winter. There's no reason it wouldn't happen

[50:02] over the winter. I think that the one question that needs to be explored a little bit is what would

[50:09] that Ramini B would complying with the BC building code be enough and if he needs to move

[50:16] for the there's a new fire hall just down the hill I don't know if that's changed anything

[50:21] with the local bylaws. This was the question that was floating around for him. I mean worst

[50:26] case scenario he takes off about I think it's 10 or 15 feet of roof off the structure. It's

[50:31] not a huge thing but he just wanted to be crystal clear on what the requirement was and

[50:36] And that was his last trip into the city was what that was about.

[50:40] And I think he just got a little frustrated overwhelmed with it and gave me a call on

[50:45] that so I could help.

[50:46] I could just provide a little bit of information about what I know about our bylaws and district

[50:50] as many times we exceed the provincial standards because we feel our standards should be at

[50:57] a different level than what the province dictates.

[50:59] So the fact that you've built your particular property based on BC standards, the Lake

[51:05] country standards are what apply to you and those of the standards that you need to comply with.

[51:11] Thank you.

[51:12] That's fair.

[51:14] Do you have information on what?

[51:16] Yeah, I'll just clarify because it is not a like country regulation.

[51:20] It is a DC building code regulation and what it says is that if the fire department cannot

[51:24] respond within 10 minutes, you must double your limiting distance that's used in your special

[51:28] separation calculations and due to the fact that we have an on-call fire department and

[51:32] not a fall time to fire department.

[51:34] We cannot meet the 10 minute response time

[51:37] regardless of the location of the building.

[51:39] It's just due to the staffing.

[51:41] And so they do have to do the double limiting distance

[51:44] and that is a BC building code requirement.

[51:46] Okay, thank you.

[51:48] And that the, that's pretty good on call.

[51:53] Is a factor basis versus the full time.

[51:58] But our paid on call are as good as full time.

[52:01] and we just don't pay them all their time.

[52:06] Yeah, we do a great job, Councillor O'Reade.

[52:09] Thank you, Corey, for being on the line there.

[52:12] So my question would be similar to Councillor Scarrows, we started in 2019, three years ago,

[52:20] and we're here now.

[52:24] So that's quite a while to have been given time to complete it.

[52:30] And, you know, I do love blind tiger and I think that's some events up there and it's a great place.

[52:35] So, but if we, you know, for me, I'm thinking the same as we had our previous discussion.

[52:41] If it's extended, it needs to have a deadline, because obviously an open option is not really working.

[52:48] And maybe a timeline would help focus and help, you know, put a conclusion on this.

[52:53] So if, if, if a period of three months was given, do you think that's achievable?

[53:00] I think that's achievable. I think that's really understanding. I could say that if it was all at my fingertips, things move a lot quicker to, so I understand where you're coming from there.

[53:11] Okay. So I would make a motion to differ for three months.

[53:30] Thank you very much for your service, Mr. Mayor, I'm checking out, everybody have a great

[53:44] Thank you.

[53:45] All right.

[53:46] Good.

[53:49] And you're up.

[53:50] Any

[53:54] department.

[53:56] Good evening, Marin Council.

[53:58] My name is Tamara Cameron.

[53:59] And I'm the manager of planning.

[54:00] This evening, I am presenting a temporary use permit, TP-2022-002 for the property at 103-03-03-Bottom

[54:09] Wood Lake Road.

[54:10] This property is designated Parkland and Conservation in the OCP and it is Zoned P1 Public

[54:17] Park and Open Space.

[54:18] This TUP application is to allow the continued operation of Little Owl Academy, a care facility

[54:25] major for up to 25 children on the subject property for an additional three years.

[54:31] We did send notices out and put one advertisement in the newspaper and we did not receive any correspondence

[54:39] from the public regarding this application, and the applicant is not available this evening

[54:44] unless she is online.

[54:46] That's for Scarlet. Move the extension.

[54:53] Councilor Arden, thank you. Any discussion? Those in favour?

[54:57] I suppose, Mr. Carey, thank you. That's great job.

[55:02] We've got to keep you up with Pete.

[55:09] Yes.

[55:10] Mayor Baker.

[55:14] Mayor Baker.

[55:18] Thank you just in regards to the last item because it is a temporary use permit we do are

[55:24] required to ask if there is anybody in the audience who we should to address console

[55:31] on the temporary use permit.

[55:34] Second time of asking, third time of asking, there it's been asked and nobody's there.

[55:41] I think you forgot about that.

[55:44] Temporary use permit.

[55:53] Morbility improvement programme, you're doing that a little

[56:05] quail for all of you.

[56:07] Okay, give me your worship, my name is Council, I have your Salmon, Director of Engineering

[56:11] and Environmental Services here at the district.

[56:16] So, here to consider the adoption of the mobility improvement program, so a bit of background,

[56:22] I guess, really first as to how this fits in, mobility master plan was adopted, you may

[56:27] recall in February 2021, and together with the mobility improvement program, we'll form

[56:32] the new suite of mobility-slash transportation plans to replace the transportation for tomorrow

[56:38] plan.

[56:39] And you can see from the slide there that the mobility's master plan's focus was more on the

[56:43] strategic elements that were covered previously by transportation for tomorrow and mobility

[56:48] improvement programme was focused on the operational elements and previously transportation

[56:53] to our did both of those things, but as we updated our plans we thought it was prudent

[56:57] to just separate the two. Both these documents redefine the district's

[57:02] transportation network as the mobility network and the focus is on addressing inequity and

[57:08] ensuring mobility for all and equity mobility speaks to providing safe, efficient and affordable

[57:14] travel options for all ages and ability. And these aspects all speak to social, sustainability

[57:21] and creating balance.

[57:25] And that keyboard's not working because I'm using it. So we'll go

[57:29] on to mouse.

[57:36] OK, so the version of the mobility improvement programme presented for adoption is the

[57:41] of nearly three years' work by staff and selected specialist partners, and we have Tom

[57:49] Balgartner from a line engineering who has been instrumental in putting this programme

[57:53] together for us.

[57:56] The mobility improvement programme has evolved and refined over the

[57:59] course of the project through input from many stakeholders, such as District Lake Country

[58:02] Council, staff consultants and regional partners.

[58:13] A 20-year programme provides a sustainable infrastructure

[58:16] plan that meets the needs of the growing community, and is complementary to the mobility

[58:20] must plan and continues to build upon the philosophy and guidance principles created

[58:25] by the transportation of a tomorrow plan, and that's just a quick snapshot of the mobility

[58:29] must plan recommendations that Council may recall. There's 12 of them, and there are

[58:33] two that are pertinent to this particular plan.

[58:39] In terms of progress, from in creating a mobility policy, the creation of the mobility programme

[58:47] is the last step in creating the refreshed policy direction to meet the mobility needs of

[58:53] community, and there's just a summary of some of the actions that we've taken that led us to where

[58:58] we are today.

[59:03] As previously mentioned, we've collectively been working on this for some time,

[59:06] so a quick summary of some of the key stages, master end points that Council have been involved in,

[59:14] so February 2021, master plan, the mobility master plan was adopted, and then in August,

[59:21] the same year we had a stretch session on the road condition assessment and findings,

[59:27] and

[59:27] mobility improvement programme was to understand what the current condition of our road network

[59:31] is and then compare that to where we thought we would be in the transportation for tomorrow

[59:36] programme. That same month we had an update on the mobility mass planning implementation,

[59:42] so that's those 12 recommendations we just saw two in the last slide. And in December of

[59:47] 2021 we had a stretch session on the mobility improvement programme develop and here we are

[59:53] today looking at the adoption of the programme.

[59:58] So, some key aspects.

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[1:05:40] ni ar ymwchoddiau gyda'r fagiwch.

[1:05:43] Ithaf ddysgethau gwneud bethau arall yn cyflefan,

[1:05:46] mae'n niw'n poig ddoliant yshwtwyrd spoeg r�eg.

[1:05:52] O fowr ddolio ei roedd,

[1:05:54] maen nhw'n ni oed,

[1:05:55] mae ymrhoedd yn gallwch gyda'i chi adegu i wedi.

[1:05:57] O henna, hwnnw'n ni barhau'i wedi'i chi'n gweithu,

[1:06:00] a nesbrewg i'n gweithu.

[1:06:02] aeym yn fydd ymgynod o'r cymuno'r dynnau, nad fethau hynny wneud fethau hynny a ymgynod o'r cymuno.

[1:06:07] Felly, ac yn fyddwch yn mewn y ddweud maengrant, ac ymg a ffydruwch,

[1:06:14] oedau.

[1:06:16] Mhwydd y ddweud ein mewn ddweud amser adethau,

[1:06:23] a mae'r cymuno feu'r cymuno feu'r cymuno, mae'n myndnod ymg aion yaseun,

[1:06:30] a'r cymuno feu'r cymuno fel aion yn gwrichtolio gyda cymuno dawn dweudau

[1:06:31] yn gwbod yn fwyais i'n gwaith.

[1:06:33] Ond i'n glillau fel cymuno.

[1:06:34] Ond iawn i'n gwaith.

[1:06:36] Skwydw yna enn eit yn gweld.

[1:06:41] Weledol, no wrnt bafnodd i'n gwaith.

[1:06:44] Mae'n gweld rhawn i'n rydmol a'r ddais.

[1:06:47] I segrod am styd.

[1:06:48] Felly mae'n gwaith.

[1:06:49] Dwi'n gwaith o styd yn gweld arall.

[1:06:51] Chu yn gall iy ychwan amell.

[1:06:55] Dwi'r eu cyfragertui i'r penswr hymdiad.

[1:06:57] S customerspl goodiaethu a mylawerau a chi'n gwyrdiol diw chi yn gwahan cantraeth

[1:06:59] syddol y Seóndalan'i醫woofnir byr sut y tri behwn am genig a rhaol

[1:07:05] sy y pugller Autaradosol.

[1:07:09] Diolch yma d Steve Ray, ai ac sy'n llwyf wedi beth an'n beio,

[1:07:13] Likel eraill meŵwbys.

[1:07:16] Felly wrth gydw yna gydwch ni fi yna rydyn bwysiwch.

[1:07:19] gallwch, dw'n ei waithu gydwch, da'r gweld hynny.

[1:07:21] Dwi'n ffegedwch chi'n ddu fel ei,

[1:07:25] a'r mai yrdy'r gweld wedi wrth gydwch.

[1:07:30] Faidwch ar yn ffordd, llywn ei ddu,

[1:07:32] fellywn i gweld trif birain.

[1:07:33] Ond fewn ei gweld fy'n nhw.

[1:07:36] Mae'n sylfa fewn fy'n gyddy yn oedit.

[1:07:42] ac rhwngser am hyn yn ei dynau fel ei rhwng fel ei fwynau fwsteid繊dau yn f�odraethu'r bai***g a wneud hyrfodraethau'r

[1:07:57] rhan mae'r sgwni ei hwnnol ddod, fel ei dweudfodraethu'r rhan o'r budduc yn fath yn f�odraethu'r

[1:07:58] ar gyfer unrhyw i'r sgwfethu i hwnnol yn i'r byddu ac elasticidau a lŵr unrhyw i'r byddu a i'r

[1:08:11] o ez minnai maen nhwyl y tre Cym yn siol effeithau gripon gwneud yn gallu bod yn gallu chflax o math,

[1:08:17] a rydymbenedans ar g

[1:08:46] However, there's a whole bunch there

[1:08:47] councilooooo.

[1:08:49] Most of it very thoughtful.

[1:08:51] I appreciate your comments.

[1:08:54] When we're creating this sort of

[1:08:56] a plan if I get the gist of what you had to say,

[1:09:03] it's that we're trying to do too much

[1:09:05] with a very restricted resource.

[1:09:08] And that I also heard you say that

[1:09:10] I am ni'n pweithaeth, ni'n pweithaethu'r atwn' i'n pweithaethu.

[1:09:18] Mamagellan.

[1:09:20] Writer yw sef wedi'r jithaethu'r atwn'au sy'n pweithaethuau'r atwn'au os.

[1:09:25] Minden gynhol, eitau'r i'n ddweithu wrth na'n ddaethuau,

[1:09:29] a yw'n ddaethu a fwysigolioedd, a'n ddaethuau audioddur y mae'n ddaethu a'n ddaethu a'n ddaethu.

[1:09:31] A'w i'n ddaethu wedi'r포, oesi'n byddyddion dod o'n ddaethu'r oesi'r ddaethu.

[1:09:43] eich galluniwn yn favellaethau sydd y maen yn gael, a bydd eisiau hynny ar buwydel,

[1:09:49] gyda oes gandod yn nid o elu yn ymw ei hi felly yn ddebu.

[1:09:54] Yn gyda gael pan edrych i'n gallu digaethol.

[1:09:58] Mae'r allai i'n gallu i wedi'n gallu eu yma fel perraethau,

[1:10:02] a ei'n gallu undol i'n gallu eis ymlaen yn fy wedi'n gallu sefyllwooden gallu

[1:10:05] yw eisiau iawn eraid, ei o fys Initiolio Roefoil, i'n gael yma.

[1:10:05] 626,000? 620,000?

[1:10:09] A LOTHR, mae'n i'rfel eu byddiadau srwch効thio, sy'n gwaldi mis i'r oedau sydd hynnaau'r i'r fel ryddiadau woaddydd ymad nhw'n iawn IE,

[1:10:15] yw'n gwaith i'r yw ymddoedd phanadau i'r fel eu mewn ichonillau efo'r meddwl.

[1:10:24] Yef yn chi, yn llaw rhaid o'r ym da'i fel âmnau nesygu sgiliau ilw помwag.

[1:10:39] bob cwyl yw mwb ydy'n llwy ar gyda ac ond y ddeficitau erio gwithau,

[1:10:45] gyda chi ddod yn ymwbwch i'r g3n i ddyddiad o fyrdwch gymniad yn o 10 o 10 o 10 o 10 o 10 o 12 o 15 o 10 o 12 o 18 o 11 o 17 o 10 o 12 o 17 o 14 o 14 o 18 o 15 o 10 o 15 o 18 o Wrm.

[1:10:53] Mae'n cyfle i'n eu ddaint. Mae'n fewn ar unzaad asoedd ynem yn cael yn elenio gyfer,

[1:10:59] o cyfynillau mynddau, ac mae'n reiwarr gyfer lawr yma yn rywg i'n gyrgyng yng thynbririo.

[1:11:06] Refraith, feb yn ddefnydda fel wnaeth rolyf yn ei d Kraen Cl星ant a'r fathostol.

[1:11:14] Treud grandmafnod oketh yn pan feb cerdorol farmnod,

[1:11:33] roed yn nid hymna.

[1:11:36] Eun cael ei l division Abdishap y trgen yn gy管wel sy'n anten.

[1:11:42] Mae'r tuf i dyni bra�จw mae

[1:11:44] a d Rowan latwn pros yma Kleemblu yna a ped Davias vaes gyfeld angaradai

[1:11:50] a yng Ngadyhiol or Barhandius i'r swineodot.

[1:11:53] Felly detaeth, poteatohiaid beth victor.

[1:12:13] I am serious to this stage in terms of the e-transportation area.

[1:12:23] I just quickly reiterate the fact that when we talk about the programme, there are two

[1:12:31] distinct areas best known to us—there's renewal and improvements. Enough of a renewal is

[1:12:36] hon yn y reddolch drwy, y Cabinet yr un eitau i gweld hy terrorism cwythiad ynya dyma'r dwi cyddoeddion.

[1:12:45] Sayraliadol ei fydd� di'n siillyf Ewrygu a un oes sy'nstarac edryd

[1:12:49] yng Nghymru, ar gyfer ei ac rydymadau arbydd ac gysyllti unexpected.

[1:12:54] cetera fel feddydd un gonyeddych yn y lestat rel leur.

[1:13:01] Felly, yng Nghymru, yng Nghymru, yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng

[1:13:34] yn dynirh d anodraedd cy говорю ac sgiliau enghaledind bitteul celery

[1:13:41] yn pith episodio yn gwnew baith llwyddi Gweithyti yn cael parlehu内

[1:13:44] marr sy'n dwylmaedd foul neu plyrypatu.

[1:13:44] ac mae ni MeuWowCvyでした ni ddefloertu wne� ei i'n naceodd o fwaaf

[1:13:48] o'r ein ei pannaethن sylfaiantedau sy'n implantsau'r coincid-colaedig,

[1:13:49] ac mae gyfall, ma Advair lайdu o'r oaflyn neu frys

[1:13:52] p לה newid bitu cyff��고 plan sy'i ddwl互iau at lydwyd clwaaf

[1:13:59] beys?

[1:13:59] Are you familiar with the report of the program?

[1:14:00] date of the report from the report of the member of the passed is largely funded.

[1:14:02] I am travelling through the report that happened in ochre.

[1:14:02] I do not have a card case that would not have been done by the board.

[1:14:06] Through the report the member of the board has been given the report of the grant.

[1:14:09] Councillor Humanaughan has not agreed that the report was given.

[1:14:10] Thank you, Mr Mayor.

[1:14:13] Thank you for the presentation and the report, and I loved it.

[1:14:16] I thought it was easy to read, and I loved the links.

[1:14:18] I agree with Councillor Scarrow and I know that this is just one aspect of the mobility

[1:14:28] master plan. This is the infrastructure side of things and we've obviously had a presentation

[1:14:33] recently on the transit plans and just to address, I mean, looking back at my notes,

[1:14:39] I think, Covid delta very severe blow to our transit goals, but looking back at the numbers

[1:14:47] i dyn, cyn yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yw i'n cynnwyr i'r 2019, ac yw'n cwfynu'r 15 yw i'n 2018,

[1:15:02] We were not able to continue to capitalize that on that and our transit goals of a 10% increase on the 2019. We achieved 25% increase between the years of 2018 and 2019.

[1:15:30] o gyfer y sapdais y fydd yn cyl� ddiwch, cyntraeth fel cydaig idreni wedi,

[1:15:35] yn gydwch wedi cymdeindraethu angwkaidau sydd wedi fy fydd yn diwyau

[1:15:39] o fforddebog sydd oedd wneud okfog y cyl� gydwch.

[1:15:43] Mae wedi fydd yn yw'r cyl� ddoegd hynny gwneud o febdaiseth ar styrddol

[1:15:45] Mae'r cyliwch i gwneud o fel y perc Grafysau yn fel cyfodiesu

[1:15:51] yn yr ar室тиgu i wedi yw yw'r cyfog yma yn y cyfog yma yn cefog yma,

[1:15:57] i dagi yma, ondragyn gofniodd fel gen ymwythio beth,

[1:16:03] ymdwch i'r agi ysgwth yma rydym yn ychyd ono o'r ystod yn ffordd o mynd i i ystod roedd it Chris

[1:16:10] yma roedd i'n gwloedd arall ar yna.

[1:16:12] Mae'r gwahanol yn cysylltumbi oed yn cyflixio.

[1:16:13] Yng Nghymru a'r siopg yn cyflixio'r p Paynau yn agio wedi yma siopg yn godaethau

[1:16:15] yma yn yw i slantau o'r byg bleu ar bobl.

[1:16:17] Efallai, â'n rhanau yn dweud yma ceu, yma, yna gynillau

[1:16:24] beth diedd bryd hynny wedi wedi notre sydd ym libroswydd nes ni hynny wedi llawn yn y cyfleid oneud bod yn cyfynir oseud.

[1:16:33] Mae yw gwaith bus yn hidru sefydlwysig ennwan yna incïn nhw ystygu�� yma gweith.

[1:16:43] bryloc trwią buried renau mwyb rydyn muyn ar yn cyfl Nadal!

[1:16:46] Mae rhannau ei hogde likely cyng ar manufactured sever kidol mathor!ęt

[1:16:50] ya. Ond

[1:16:50] wneud ac mae han gyda ar cob le roes睌 amser amytio ei cyfl Nadal egesar테eth

[1:16:57] syd qué fe eich wrth g hangulareu 50

[1:16:57] %ol rydyn? Аth iорchûtio

[1:16:58] llwyr infectedio se prepare ceن maenigdiol

[1:17:01] o gych eng hydreynb deau renau a fel roes

[1:17:10] ac wneud ei renau actual?

[1:17:13] yn y pwain y pwyseng. Si mynd oes yna and then, ac yw hynny ffyn Gunsys.

[1:17:21] Yna sy'n cael dom i'r âddiu, i dynion felau fel yna sy'n ei gwympethol ac feisio.

[1:17:22] Mae ddyddellau fel oeseg yna oeseg yna sy'n gwaithodio hydioedrwyth allau yna mor,

[1:17:28] ac mae lathodd yna oeseg yna gofnyn nhw yno!

[1:17:36] Clydnodd yn ei gallu feisio pledigioedrwythau sy'n gwaithodio sy'n gwaithodio,

[1:18:13] wedi fel wedi a guess yw i'r dog i'r dî moren o'r pobl.

[1:18:16] Mae'r yw i'r roed i'r egun sylfa'i cymdeid ac yw'r petithau'r amflycyllith.

[1:18:19] Mae'r a'r bydd yw'r rydym ynigau o'r unis o gyfer y cymdeidau creifatio.

[1:18:24] Mae'n hynny.

[1:18:25] Felly, mae'n gwaith yw'r i'r oedio'r seannau dweud yn gyfan fel gwaith o gwaith yw eich son,

[1:18:32] ac mae'r rhoedist lef Welsh ar gyda gen, fel medoli fe attenau'y yw oesio edrym.

[1:18:37] Mae'r amliad eicholaf ond i'r gwaithrefad yn fawr. Dwyna yn fawr ar yw,

[1:18:42] dar fawr i'r ymryd am pobhau. Yw'r amlwna fel beth o ddain ffawr ar yw'r yng Nghynaller.

[1:18:52] Ceyfyddoen ac mae yn gwneud yw ar y llwynt yn ganddraedd ei dydog fel i dwi'r y llwynt yn fawr i'u ffawr i'u

[1:18:55] dyna a'r amlwchol lawn, ac mae yng Nghymru, ac mae'n gwneud ni yw'r amlwchol gweithor a'r mw'n gwaithor.

[1:18:57] Mae'r eu cael ei darag oedd yn deitig un arwn.

[1:19:28] yn yma roedd cael ei godebnau cael i fod yn ffordd steth ymwrth fy yma mae'r mwyfnidd am yma.

[1:19:33] Mae'r cael ei gawrad. Mae'r credu sy'n ei dynaedd yno.

[1:19:40] Mae'r rhwnau'r cyntwn sy'n ei sylwaithioedd yma yma yn ffordd dynau50 newig.

[1:19:42] Mae'r rhwnau cyntaf sydd yma yn ffordd yma yn siarid ffordd yma rhanul o yma yn siarid dynos.

[1:19:53] Mae'r rhwnau iawn yn pethifven. A thosereod yma rhanul o yma ei cael ei cyngar.

[1:19:54] Mae'r cyflwyais gynllunau, cael ei gweithio achos i fynd squad i'r Chaldaethau hon.

[1:20:00] Felly, mae'r ym wirgodau yn ym unig.

[1:20:01] Mae'r cyflwyais gynllunau ein g소 yna yn cynlwyr i'r unig.

[1:20:04] Mae'r cyflwyais gynllunau yn cynlwyr a'r cyflwyais yma,

[1:20:07] ei mi gydau wrthau yma.

[1:20:12] Ond, ac mae yng Nghywyd eich beth, maen nhw'n chi'n ei dag yna,

[1:20:17] rwyma wedi ar yng Nghywyd yn yma.

[1:20:24] o'r bryr hwnnwch i'r cymryn o'r ymddech yn y blanyd i'r rwy'n dweud.

[1:20:29] Ac yn y ddol y phanol am ymddech yn y rwy'n ddol yn ymddech yn ymddech yn y rwy'n ddol yn ffrill.

[1:20:36] Yna ddyl angennu cymrysdol a farfyniad a'r rwy'n ddol yn cyslwfod?

[1:20:41] Mae'n ddod yn rwy'n ddol yn cyslwfod i'r cymrysdol a'r rwy'n ddol yn cyslwfod?

[1:20:45] Mae'r fyslidier ddoedd yn unrhyw i, ac lle ac yn gyfan gweld yw'r rhodd gynllun amell,

[1:20:54] ac ei mewn dweud i gyfer.

[1:20:59] A fyddech gynllun am isysgolllanaethau bi'n cael ffordd,

[1:21:04] internau ar draws o fŵr yw ydyn ni'n ong yma laid o gynysi yw sgysd aredd yn yneigoedd,

[1:21:13] o ddim 03, o gynllwis o ddyn ni'n amser o fŵr a ffyrddio o febdod ysgol i arwchym, o gynllwis o ffyrddio.

[1:21:22] beth kaed ym yr ymser fel mewn i-dwan gael ei gyndiadau fel yna.

[1:21:26] Yn yma yn fadaeth roedd yn roedd am rwyma fel er a fadellol yn ddude birst call

[1:21:33] fo ywyma fel yna rwyma fel er a fadellol yn ddaeth.

[1:21:36] A ni ar yma i argyffaillau yn unadau i wneud enti fel ei eiadau

[1:21:41] ar yma yn einadau i arty bagai gyda.

[1:21:41] Mae'n yna gydyddol gwirionedd o'r amser ei cael ei byswag yna gydau

[1:21:43] gynnaeth yn yma fel yma.

[1:21:44] A ni ar yn fyddol fodaeth ar yma, ac yn tur tryb yna f額

[1:21:52] ymwy'r wyngor am perrawn i ffrang oedau'r gweith.

[1:21:57] En gyd yn ymwych arall yn ymwych ar y muynch ar y rhwysig.

[1:22:03] Rynaadd wedi ddim yn ymwych ar y ddynnu ar ymwych arall yn ffllr yma felly yma.

[1:22:06] Rynau'r yma yn ffllog ar yma yn ffllog ar yma.

[1:22:13] Rwy'n ffllog ar yma yn ffllog ar yma yn ymwych ar yma yn ffllog ar yma.

[1:22:18] Rwy'n ymwych ar yma.

[1:22:22] dar fydd yn ffordd a ffordd oedd chi'r dduno o fysten.

[1:22:26] Mae'r vuelfod yn rhan yshw oeddwn yn bydlwthau hynny,

[1:22:28] somi rhywun, eu gwneud ac ystop,

[1:22:29] mae'r Brotig llunag yn ddod i ffordd,

[1:22:36] mae cael erill, mae cael yr ymlyn oedau syd.

[1:22:37] Mae'r yr yr unddeum wedi am yn ddyn ni'n gysylltu oedd yn tyth yn gymdeflress.

[1:22:39] Fi yna oedd hwn yn am offiad ddach yn ac yn ddyn ni edryd,

[1:22:43] mae cael gyfrfan yna reνau ito o'r cympleidu oedd yn cympleidu o'r llunag,

[1:22:44] yn ag Iwr yn deall cyfarwil sydd am wedi'r lenndoriaeth gyda ffrog ac yw i'r iorm yn thenl hwnaau

[1:22:53] yn cyfarwulu yw i'r cyfarwulu yw i'r yw iorm. Hwyliwn

[1:22:57] gwneud y cyfarwulu yn cyfarwulu hamod, pethroedd â'r cyfarwulu yw'r cyfarwulu pethroedd

[1:23:10] o pwyll yna gweith i ddoedd yna gweithio eich gwaith gwis, dau yna dd headyn ni ddweud yn ddysgoli.

[1:23:17] Bydol cyfarfynol o fydd yn gweithio i gweithio eich gweithio, mai yma gweithio o ddysgoli,

[1:23:22] a ozeidethau cwestiwn chi newydd, mae'n gweithio, oedd yn gweithio, a chi fod yn dwi ni cwestiwn

[1:23:28] gweithio gwahanol o fwydraedd, mae gweithio yn gweithio gweithio yn yn cyfarfynol,

[1:23:33] yna neu yn gweithio'r fynd ar gyflewn ar gylla ungweithio.

[1:23:38] yng Nghymru o chi ddiolio ddiolio ac yn lota oedd i bod yn gweithelfa, amser yn carefodeth

[1:23:43] i'n ricid sylwmaidd y boedd yn cynnol ei wneud ei rhagol eしまol gwneud.

[1:23:48] Ceulu, ni'n rhan o fofost anionagdorolio, i'n cynnol ei yw IST.

[1:23:55] Mae'n gwerth ar dynchadolio fifeddu yn Mominaeth Ys yna i'n canaethau.

[1:24:01] Da i'n musti o'r cymru i'ch unrhyny.

[1:24:07] yng Nghymru'n ades a ffeide o'r ffeide o hynny.

[1:24:13] Ina siati am gyda'r ffeide o hynny ffeen o'n naot toadiseur i gwiaethu

[1:24:16] a fi fri'n ades a ffeide o hynny ffeide o hynny.

[1:24:22] Eitate gyda yna ennnaosan i Kanada Roads buat a'r ffeide o hynny

[1:24:26] yna o'n ades a ffeide o hynny am i'n tarniol,

[1:24:30] fel o feb, ublasau umrithaweid o'r tarniol yn rhawn.

[1:24:37] i'n gwyllwch yn yng Nghymru yn Nicei segid, yma gwaith yshwa, a ddiddnaidd i'n gwyllwch yn olo?

[1:24:44] Ale mae oes yw'n gweithio dynnau.

[1:24:50] Mae'r gwaithio, sy'n imyn ni eitwch.

[1:24:53] Sbydd, mae ymg'n gwaith o ni'n mis i gweld aegol ymwyr i ddwellau ac,

[1:24:56] ghaith跳au, mae hynna wedi ei chi—

[1:24:59] wneud gyda'i amser—

[1:24:59] fwy neu'n gwaithio, mae gwaithio, mae'n gwaithio o mae ymg'n gwaithio,

[1:25:00] yma gwaithio yma gwaithio yn dysgu—

[1:25:07] ae.

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[1:28:51] mae'n anghiolol o yna?

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[1:28:59] So I'd love to support it otherwise

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[1:29:57] Rwy NPC, Gambolti.

[1:30:00] Sorry, a grey cap, something to say. Oh, okay.

[1:30:08] Yeah, I'm right up. Okay. Good evening, your

[1:30:11] members of council. Maybe just a clarification. Councilor Reed alluded to it, but when we look

[1:30:19] at the revenue side things and so we've got taxation, we've got the DCCs and we've got grants

[1:30:28] that are typically tied to grain infrastructure, so the improvement aspects, the adaptive transportation.

[1:30:36] The use of those funds can't be diverted just to renewal. So the DCCs, the legislatively,

[1:30:44] have to be applied to improvements, to new works, and there's a split with that and the same with

[1:30:52] the grant monies. So that's really what's funding a lot of the improvements. And when we undertake

[1:30:57] the renewal work and the improvements in a combined fashion, we definitely, definitely

[1:31:03] achieve a kind of ze scale of that. Coming back and trying to add improvements afterwards

[1:31:07] would be very, very costly. So it's important to recognize where the funding sources are coming

[1:31:13] from and how they can be applied. And I think it was also talked about the very strategically being

[1:31:20] applied with the after-transportations going its normal and all roads. It's not been consistent with

[1:31:25] the transportation for tomorrow.

[1:31:27] And if you look at some of the rules

[1:31:28] that we have tackled here, I think, very much needed.

[1:31:32] And we're talking about Woodstale as a next priority.

[1:31:36] And so those rules are very strategically determined

[1:31:39] as being required to connect neighborhoods to schools

[1:31:43] and to parks and so on.

[1:31:45] So I think it's really important to understand

[1:31:48] how the cost comes.

[1:31:50] In terms of the greening of our infrastructure here,

[1:31:54] I would suggest maybe the council is an option and because it's really just, it's a cost

[1:31:59] element we've got templates for, we know where we can incorporate it, it comes down

[1:32:05] to funding it.

[1:32:07] And so if there's a desire to do that and incorporate that, that could always be determined

[1:32:13] on a cost-based project by project.

[1:32:17] But council could also elect to make an allowance for that and say, you know, we want to what

[1:32:23] what's reasonable. We'd like to add another $500,000 for this program to see greening of our

[1:32:30] street scape and applying that in the best way possible, $200,000, $500,000. But the other,

[1:32:37] and I think they speak to this, but the other aspect that you get confronted with when you're

[1:32:43] when you're greening up the street scape is you need wider right away, more land acquisition,

[1:32:48] more task. So can definitely be done. It's just a matter of money. So yeah, that's what I would like to say. Thank you.

[1:32:58] Thank you. And Matthew, did you have comment with Director or Councilor Ireland?

[1:33:06] Yes, you were. So when dealing with the discussion of Boulevard and and tree-lined streetscapes in the plan,

[1:33:16] And there is a cost there that you can see that it's associated with landscape boulevards

[1:33:22] to the tune off, $147,000 per kilometer.

[1:33:26] And you also, that's table three, and then if you scroll back up to table two, it talks

[1:33:34] about functional classification, you'll see the boulevards is in there.

[1:33:37] Now some of those are boulevards, the tree's case and some of them are not.

[1:33:42] So some of these road sections have already tree-lined or boulevards aspects built into them.

[1:33:50] They're just not shown on this plan because it would be a huge mess especially.

[1:33:54] So I can provide that information to Council and maybe annotate the list to show you which of those

[1:33:58] road segments have funding built in for boulevards and or trees, street trees as well.

[1:34:09] Yeah. Well, thanks for that. You know, I'm not saying that we should be having

[1:34:13] Grassline Boulevard. That's the Okinawan. But look, I've just spent some time

[1:34:18] in Vancouver Island and I drove through Langford. And yeah, I get that they have a lot of tax money because they have a lot of businesses.

[1:34:25] But every single new road in that community has trees and Grassline Boulevard. Every single new road.

[1:34:33] So every single new road is built out so it has an island with trees as well.

[1:34:39] And we're talking about a city that doesn't need the kind of shade that our city needs,

[1:34:44] because we have none.

[1:34:46] We drive down Oshola, and I mean, it's no wonder not many people walk down there because

[1:34:52] there's no shade.

[1:34:52] It's 40 degrees outside.

[1:34:55] So I mean, we just have to do better.

[1:34:57] And if it's in there, and this slide doesn't really reflect what the plan is, then I'm happy

[1:35:02] about that. But I do want to send a message that that was our overarching guideline for

[1:35:11] everything. And we need to address it in everything. And, you know, there's not one of

[1:35:17] us who doesn't go home and see the news about a climate disaster happening someplace in

[1:35:21] the world, you know? If we don't try to do something, then where is guilty is anybody?

[1:35:34] So, a couple of aspects on that. So, if we're talking new roads, new roads is different

[1:35:39] to existing roads. So, new roads is subject to the subdivision development service by

[1:35:43] that which Council may recall, we extended, I think we had half a page in the SDS by law

[1:35:48] for landscaping. It's now six pages. So, when we're building new roads, we should see a much

[1:35:54] improved standard now. Again, Council may recall that, in terms of the

[1:35:58] protection and landscape, it actually worked with us to create that new

[1:36:01] specification that includes most of the things that Councillor

[1:36:05] Lion just mentioned. So, new roads are slightly different to existing roads.

[1:36:09] And again, I want to bring your attention to a budget request that came

[1:36:13] through last year on budget for a supplemental for Botanwood Lake Road, where we

[1:36:17] asked for an landscaping increase. How many trees do we keep looking at?

[1:36:26] It's a 665 trees down on bottom of Lake Road because, again, it wasn't in the original

[1:36:30] plan.

[1:36:30] There's no funding for that amount of trees, but, of course, that area, warrants that

[1:36:36] type of treatment.

[1:36:37] It's definitely something that's in our minds and definitely something that we are working

[1:36:41] on.

[1:36:42] Like I say, there is an element built into some of these roads, depending on their location

[1:36:48] and their use, and if Council wish I can supply that, we'll get Tom to rerun that spreadsheet

[1:36:54] and provide the extra detail.

[1:36:57] So on that slide, 32, does that sentence not belong?

[1:37:00] Or is it, is there a context that I'm not, I'm missing?

[1:37:08] Did you say slide 32?

[1:37:09] 32.

[1:37:10] Page 32.

[1:37:12] Page 32, that's attached, it's just too long.

[1:37:18] Mobility improvement program, it's 31.

[1:37:20] But

[1:37:34] it certainly is top of mind in all needs.

[1:37:39] Or should be as Councillor Ireland is concerned with?

[1:37:44] Yeah, sorry, I should bear with me. I'm not looking at the agenda package, so I'm

[1:37:48] going to bring it up to final, which

[1:38:02] yeah,

[1:38:16] so that's, yes, through the

[1:38:22] work. Yes, so that's that is actually the mobility master plan presentation. I

[1:38:26] ordered the mobility improvement plan, plan, strap session that we had and yeah,

[1:38:34] so I think that's because what I did is I included all the previous

[1:38:40] presentations and discussions we have accounts are just for reference because we obviously

[1:38:43] a lot of discussions going on. So that was the previous one I do believe.

[1:38:50] Yes.

[1:38:50] It kind of was labeled mobility improvement program. I assume that it was associated with what

[1:38:56] we were talking about, not the mobility master plan. Yeah and I guess that's the downside of

[1:39:01] PDFing at all in one go when I do my report that actually attachments.

[1:39:05] Okay. Oh, I'm better now. Yeah, good. And also just maybe if I just put on to that question,

[1:39:11] I believe when we put that in there at the time, what we're talking about is no additional beyond

[1:39:18] what is in the plan. So because we had a lot of talk about having street trees, you know, and more,

[1:39:24] but there is an element built into the plan. So that's no additional, if that makes sense. I,

[1:39:30] Not every single road we do will have a bullet light and street trees down it.

[1:39:34] Okay.

[1:39:36] Yeah.

[1:39:38] Councillor Gambling.

[1:39:40] Councillor Gambling.

[1:39:40] Thank you.

[1:39:41] And I'm very pleased that Councillor Ireland just raised that issue of the climate change

[1:39:47] because it is extremely important and certainly near and dear to my heart.

[1:39:52] And you know, the whole idea of retaining trees were possible, that type of thing.

[1:39:58] and the idea of possibly, you know, memorial tree sponsorship,

[1:40:04] getting the community involved, getting the community interested

[1:40:07] in getting on board with these things.

[1:40:10] It's something that affects our whole community.

[1:40:12] There must be ways that we can do this in a cost-effective way,

[1:40:16] where, you know, because we have a lot of benches,

[1:40:18] maybe that is the time to start looking at trees,

[1:40:22] because trees can live 100 years or more,

[1:40:25] which is pretty important.

[1:40:26] And I just wanted to raise a question regarding some of the work that has gone on this year.

[1:40:35] And I mean, there's been a lot of great work in the community and I love the roundabouts.

[1:40:39] I love the improvements that we've got.

[1:40:41] But I know that there must be many people querying the work up on Davidson.

[1:40:49] Davidson to Camberot improvements, a very short stretch of road, very, you know, it's steep.

[1:40:56] it's on a bit of a hill there, goes for agricultural land mostly, all the improvements do, and it

[1:41:06] is extremely fancy the work that's being done. I've never seen such fancy work. While I know

[1:41:13] that the project was well over a million dollars for that very short stretch of land that are

[1:41:20] road and and you know I just like to understand that because I'm looking at the master plan and I'm

[1:41:26] wondering or not the master plan but the the mobility plan and I'm thinking is this the kind of

[1:41:32] thing that we're looking at in our community you know to me we have an area that stands out to me

[1:41:38] that we've talked about numerous times but we haven't addressed and that is from the wood lake

[1:41:47] Tent and trailer park, which is on Woodstale Road going all the way up to the

[1:41:52] light, which is a very short stretch of road as well. And I see people coming up

[1:41:58] there from the Brain Injury Center trying to negotiate that piece of sidewalk.

[1:42:05] I know we've put in a crosswalk. I know that there's been some effort to make

[1:42:12] that a little bit safer, but we did approve a brain injury center in our community some

[1:42:19] years ago. We have the rail trail and I've heard from a number of people in the community

[1:42:25] that that is a very, very dangerous stretch. People are scared to drive their bikes

[1:42:32] along there. This is people that are biking that have talked to me how dangerous it is.

[1:42:36] I raised it because I thought that was going to be done this year.

[1:42:41] It still wasn't done.

[1:42:42] It does anybody know, understand where I'm talking about it?

[1:42:45] It's the piece right up the other side of Turtle Bay POP.

[1:42:50] It goes behind the gas station there.

[1:42:54] And yes, we did put in a sidewalk, but you know, these are things to me.

[1:42:59] I didn't see that.

[1:43:01] I did not see that improvement in the five-year plan.

[1:43:04] So I'm wondering, is it in that five-year plan?

[1:43:08] Is it in a one-year plan?

[1:43:10] I thought it was going to be done in the last year, and it wasn't.

[1:43:15] And I just, I'm very thankful that my daughter-in-law does not have to bring her two kids to kindergarten

[1:43:22] along where she did for a number of years.

[1:43:26] So I'm hoping that that is going to be done soon, but I'm just asking, was that on the list

[1:43:33] of things because I couldn't see it. I did look and I couldn't see it.

[1:43:40] Okay, so do you want to share? Sorry, the mayor has just stepped out so I'm temporary.

[1:43:47] So, are you going to respond, Matthew?

[1:43:50] Yes, please.

[1:43:51] So, just go back to Davidson. So, Davidson design, that's the design standard that's in

[1:43:59] and that's the same design that Council would have seen in the budget deliberations as well when we will ask for the funding for that project.

[1:44:06] And also the reason why that particular project was chosen is that it was one of the very first projects done when we came in with TFTT.

[1:44:15] Council may recall that the focus on TFTT came in with safe rich discourse.

[1:44:19] So that was part of that philosophy, so we went and did OYAMA, we did a sidewalk in OYAMA, to OTS.

[1:44:23] Yes, we did the sidewalk and the partial bike lane to Peter Greer, and then one of the

[1:44:31] designs that we had completed was shelved for a certain degree because of other things

[1:44:34] that came forward was the Davidson one that we never got to.

[1:44:37] So again, we had a discussion with Council about what priorities in terms of roads we should

[1:44:44] do, and there was an agreement that we weren't taking any more design until we got the existing

[1:44:49] designs constructed, and Davidson was one of those legacy ones, we still have a few more

[1:44:52] to do so that's the reason why David's almost chosen but I'm asking really

[1:44:57] specifically I mean there's a very fancy

[1:45:00] City gravel piece, which I've never seen in a community before. And I'm just wondering, I know that people are wondering why that's there. Maybe there's a reason. Two reasons. Well, probably more, but two that the problem ones are buffers, because the sidewalk is pretty narrow through there, because we're very constrained in that corridor what we could fit in. So create extra buffer if you're right against the sidewalk. And second, which is probably the biggest reason,

[1:45:29] is that when you come down hills and you clear snow, there's nowhere to put it.

[1:45:34] So what happens is it goes on to the sidewalk and then you restrict the sidewalk and you

[1:45:38] end up with this game where you keep pushing the snow from the sidewalk onto the road,

[1:45:42] the snow player comes along and pushes the snow back from the road onto the sidewalk and

[1:45:46] you don't get anywhere.

[1:45:47] So having an area for storage, for sure, steep slopes is advantageous and it obviously

[1:45:56] allows the snow to melt as well.

[1:45:58] And the other thing is having those kind of bullet voids like that, as well as in terms

[1:46:02] of the treatment, it prevents weed growth as well, having that treatment in there.

[1:46:10] Yeah.

[1:46:14] I didn't get an answer on the Woodstale piece.

[1:46:19] Is that in the plan?

[1:46:22] Yeah.

[1:46:22] So Woodstale, we started designing last year and was hoping to construct this year, we came

[1:46:26] back to Council and asked for an extra supplemental because there was more geotechnical, there was

[1:46:31] more environmental, sorry, more environmental with wind field creek that we had to overcome

[1:46:37] and also there was a land acquisition piece that we hadn't resolved yet and the other

[1:46:43] big one is we started discussions with MOTI about the possibility of connecting the wood

[1:46:50] steel bike lane corridor to Perlwater but we'd have to use the MOTI land for that, the western

[1:46:56] portion and that work wasn't complete yet.

[1:46:58] So there's a whole bunch of things that prevented us from getting the design complete last year and construction this year.

[1:47:06] So the five year capital plan that Council would have seen has the hopefully the design finish this year construct next year.

[1:47:13] Thank you. Glad to hear that.

[1:47:15] All right. Thank you. Councilor Reed.

[1:47:19] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you for that. Sorry to give you here, but just going back to that infamous slide, 32.

[1:47:25] I've got two questions. The first one is back when we were first hearing about the road

[1:47:32] situation and the backlog and deficit, we were looking at 1.2 million per year to keep

[1:47:40] us to the 29-71 standard. And in the latest slides, it's 620? How did that miracle happen

[1:47:51] of suddenly saving 600,000 a year on our plan from where we were a couple of months ago.

[1:47:58] So three were a couple of reasons for that one is that Tom revisited the program and stretch it

[1:48:03] as far as he was comfortable with based on the condition assessment. Okay. Making sure because

[1:48:08] obviously there's always that delicate balance with repairing something just in time because clearly

[1:48:14] if you repair it ahead of its life expectancy, you've just lost however many years life expectancy.

[1:48:19] see, if you do it too late, you're repairing it or renewing it after it's failed, which

[1:48:24] just has safety concerns. So, we asked Tom to go and revisit that. And the second one

[1:48:28] is that, I see if I did a whole bunch of financial degree pokery, which is definitely not my forte.

[1:48:35] And that's how we come up with the latest figures with DCC's and then realised that most of

[1:48:40] that is a tribute to DCC's as well. So, I'm not taking any credit for any of that, that

[1:48:47] I'm purely Tom. Excellent, Jigry Procreate Gentleman. Please feel free to use that on other

[1:48:53] projects where we're in a deficit piece. My other question, we haven't really talked about

[1:48:57] this, but just because we've gone from a really nice number to quite a scary one, 17.4

[1:49:04] million for the Lake Country Business Park. Can we talk about that in terms of, is that in

[1:49:12] And this plan is that, okay, they're shaking their heads, how would that be funded?

[1:49:19] So the reason why we put it in this plan is that obviously it's a huge aspect to the

[1:49:24] future mobility network for the community, and it's work that we had already done when

[1:49:29] we were developing the Lake Country Business Park plans that Council have seen.

[1:49:35] So we thought it wouldn't put it in there, so it was captured and recorded that that

[1:49:38] piece of work is done.

[1:49:39] and we understand what that that burden may look like today and today's

[1:49:43] process. Yeah so through the future work that council may recall so we're doing

[1:49:48] the ASP if they come to be spoken we're finishing the service in plan that

[1:49:51] was the last session we had so when through those pieces of work that's where

[1:49:55] we'll really dig into how those roads will be funded so that that funding

[1:50:01] strategy will come out that work you know whether that's developer pays district

[1:50:06] district, somehow advances the boroughs, DCCs, all those aspects will be reviewed during

[1:50:14] the creation of that plan and then brought forward to Council for consideration.

[1:50:18] When we're talking DCCs, are we talking DCCs specifically for the late country business

[1:50:23] park, or are we diverting money from the DCCs that we're just using for the 620 to fund the

[1:50:28] business park?

[1:50:29] No, it'd be in addition, too, because those roads aren't actually included in the program.

[1:50:32] Okay.

[1:50:33] Great.

[1:50:34] Thank you.

[1:50:34] Appreciate it.

[1:50:35] All right.

[1:50:36] Anybody else?

[1:50:42] Yes.

[1:50:43] Councillors go.

[1:50:44] I beg your pardon.

[1:50:45] I am indeed.

[1:50:49] I would move option A, sir.

[1:50:51] Option A. Councillor Reid's second.

[1:50:53] Any further discussion?

[1:50:56] Any none?

[1:50:57] Or Councillor McKenzie?

[1:50:59] So just before we do this then, as far as the bull of fards and the trees and stuff, it's

[1:51:07] covered for the new builds, but as far as the old roads, that would probably be

[1:51:18] very expensive because you're going to have to add stuff. So how do we address

[1:51:23] that? Because I'm comfortable with this, but it would be nice to have that

[1:51:30] that somehow included in on this.

[1:51:35] So, just to reiterate through a short that the existing, sorry, new roads are covered

[1:51:42] by SDDS, so I think that should meet the intent of the discussion.

[1:51:49] When it comes to existing roads, there are some roads that have an element of boulevard and

[1:51:56] landscaping incorporated into them already under that current plan, under the current funding.

[1:52:00] And like I say, I can provide that to Council, should they like to see that, to see what

[1:52:05] roads we're talking about and what standard that is.

[1:52:08] If Council wishes to go above and beyond and create more or increase the standard, then

[1:52:16] I need some direction as to what that would look like and I could bring that back and we

[1:52:19] We can either do that through the mobility improvement program and clarify that in the program

[1:52:25] or we can just do that through annual budget deliberations when we look at what we're proposing.

[1:52:31] Obviously, the mobility improvement program would then require a consistent stream of funding

[1:52:36] for the next 20 years to make sure that that was sustainable, whereas if we do it through

[1:52:39] budget deliberations, it means we do on a case-by-case basis.

[1:52:42] So I yeah I think that might be the thing I just want to make sure that that doesn't get lost in the mix here

[1:52:49] I want to make sure we we address that. Okay. I'm good with that. Other than that. Yes. Okay. Thanks. All right. We're in option 8. Those in favor?

[1:53:02] Opposed?

[1:53:04] Comforter Gamble opposed motion carries.

[1:53:08] Jeremy's gone to bed.

[1:53:09] it. Well, I don't know. There he is. He's still there. No, I didn't hit my button fast

[1:53:15] enough. No, but I oppose it, too.

[1:53:20] Mr. I oppose it, too. You're opposed to motion carries

[1:53:29] contrary. All right. Kyle, are you doing connection fee?

[1:53:57] Okay, good evening, Marin Council. I'm

[1:53:59] going to Kyle Wilkins, you till these manager are going to present a quick presentation on

[1:54:03] on the proposed connection fee by-law.

[1:54:06] So the need for this by-law really originates

[1:54:09] from the bottom of Lake Road phase two project.

[1:54:13] New services, sewer services were installed

[1:54:15] as six properties as part of the bottom of Lake

[1:54:17] improvement project in 2021.

[1:54:20] Adding sewer was also approved as part of the 2021

[1:54:23] budget deliberation for these six properties.

[1:54:26] And the reason that we did that was we're down there

[1:54:29] with the rows getting ripped up.

[1:54:31] These six properties are all zone commercial.

[1:54:33] They're part of the town's core, town center area, also part of the core development area.

[1:54:38] And it was considered strategically important to sewer these at that time.

[1:54:45] So here's a map of the six properties that were seward and it costed a total of $185,000, $124.

[1:54:53] It works out to $30,000 and $850 for property.

[1:54:57] The original intent in the budget request was actually to collect this fund per property as they connected through what's known as a

[1:55:05] The late-commerce agreement, after conferring with legal counsel, they actually said the late-commerce

[1:55:09] agreement is really meant for an agreement between the district and the developer.

[1:55:14] And the best method to actually recuperate this cost that's been expanded is actually through

[1:55:18] a connection fee by law that would be at the time of connection.

[1:55:26] So some quick highlight to the by law.

[1:55:28] We actually wrote it in a manner so that we set up for water sewer infrastructures that

[1:55:32] could potentially be used again just by doing a by-law amendment in future and adding additional

[1:55:37] schedules. Again, like I've said, the connection fee would be due at the time of connection,

[1:55:41] so if a property didn't connect, they wouldn't be charged this fee. It has a formula in it

[1:55:46] for multi-family and industrial commercial and institutional ICI that equates it to single

[1:55:52] family equivalencies so that some of those properties that they developed out would actually

[1:55:56] pay more and then also it has an expiration date on the connection fee area so it's generally

[1:56:04] a 20-year term just like a local service area or not a local service area a late-term

[1:56:09] as agreement would be.

[1:56:12] This isn't something new. Other communities use similar violas like

[1:56:16] this. We actually modeled ours off of the City of

[1:56:18] Colona. Some Councillors that have been doing this for a while may actually remember the

[1:56:23] Woodstale connection fee area. There was a bunch of infrastructure that got put in down Woodstale

[1:56:28] and those properties outlined in black had to pay additional fee when they connected in

[1:56:32] order to help recuperate the cost to run the infrastructure down into that area.

[1:56:38] So that concludes my presentation and the resolutions to Councillor, I presented as

[1:56:43] follow.

[1:56:44] Councillor Rhee.

[1:56:46] Hi, Co. I have some questions.

[1:56:49] Thanks very much for the presentation.

[1:56:51] And really easy to read and very, very clear as far as I was going through it.

[1:56:56] And my questions would be, what happens if the, I'm just thinking about some of the issues

[1:57:04] we've had with BC Hydro and changing specifications.

[1:57:08] So what happens if the infrastructure is installed by the district, but at the time of the connection

[1:57:15] standards have changed and there is additional work that's required to be done in to bring

[1:57:23] it up to that standard? Would that be covered by this agreement or would this agreement have

[1:57:29] to be amended?

[1:57:30] So, the only real standard that might change is the size of service that the property

[1:57:35] might be required, right? And so, if a large development went in, then yes, we would have

[1:57:39] to probably go in and put in another service to that property. But each of these properties

[1:57:43] were ran with a service that's large enough to accommodate your average size of parcel.

[1:57:49] So, it's not anticipated to be an issue.

[1:57:51] but we're doing this bylaw for prosperity.

[1:57:56] So this is not just about these particular properties.

[1:57:58] This is going to apply to every time this happens down the road.

[1:58:02] So it's not just what this particular case is going to be.

[1:58:06] It's going to be what could be a case in two years' time.

[1:58:10] So you're saying the developer, the connecting party would then have to pay

[1:58:15] for the cost of the original install and then the cost of any upgrades.

[1:58:20] That would be correct if they were to develop for that area, but we'd have to look at it.

[1:58:25] It's looked at as on case-by-case basis if the standards change and we went into another

[1:58:29] area and did something similar that we would then recuperate what we expanded to the standards

[1:58:34] of that time.

[1:58:34] Right.

[1:58:35] Okay.

[1:58:35] So then my follow-up question is, what if the cost of doing the original, just making the decision,

[1:58:42] putting the infrastructure in, it costs $180,000 or whatever the correct price is, then

[1:58:47] Then they connect on, they need to be upgraded, and the cost of doing the connection, the

[1:58:53] redo of the connection is more than the cost of you just put it in at right the first

[1:58:59] time.

[1:59:00] So rather than preempting it, so now the property owner is paying extra because the district

[1:59:06] made a decision to do the install initially, and now standards have changed, and they now

[1:59:11] have to come in and redo it.

[1:59:13] The scenario you're saying, I think I understand it, but it's pretty unlikely because we do

[1:59:18] size these things for what we think is coming down on the pipeline, not just what's there

[1:59:22] at the time.

[1:59:23] And so we do our best to try to project out what's the need of this for a long term, not just

[1:59:29] right at that moment.

[1:59:30] Okay.

[1:59:30] There were more questions as to has this been thought of than, you know, well, yeah, so,

[1:59:36] and then you'd mentioned my last question was about this is just one instance, so the plan

[1:59:40] would be if there was another situation where this district had done this, there would be another

[1:59:45] schedule C and a schedule D and a schedule blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. If you go into like the city

[1:59:50] cloners, city cloners only did a sewer connection fee by them. If you look, they've got like 10 different

[1:59:55] schedules for different areas on. I notice the the the up

[2:00:00] I'm just looking at this because we have a commercial property and we just got dinged with the changes to the sewer by law. It's quadrupled our sewer bill. So I'm very cautious now of when we look at things and there's just a few numbers. What does it look like in practicality because that was a shock. We're now being charged for water that isn't going down the sewer water that's not being used on the garden.

[2:00:26] things going into irrigation, that's all getting charged to us. So that's a little bit of a,

[2:00:30] wow, that was how that one worked planned out in reality. So I'm just conscious of looking and

[2:00:35] kind of saying, okay, well, what does, what do these numbers mean? And the uplift for the commercial

[2:00:41] is based on a 300 square metres, which is around about 3,200 square feet. So that seems very reasonable

[2:00:49] number to have there to say, okay, if you've got a commercial property and you're equating it to a

[2:00:54] single family dwelling, you're talking about a commercial property that starts, you know,

[2:00:58] for one single family dwelling, you're starting at 3,000 square feet for commercial property.

[2:01:03] So that makes a lot of sense. I just had to kind of run the numbers in my head because

[2:01:07] last time it was, I don't think I looked properly at it.

[2:01:10] So yeah.

[2:01:12] Okay. Side note, I would like to talk to you about your

[2:01:21] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to clarify about the connection fee. So, is it going

[2:01:30] to be per unit, per individual unit? Would it be per house? You know, if there's a secondary

[2:01:37] is there a separate charge for that unit? And what if it's maybe converted to condos,

[2:01:46] and what if that law is changed to condos, or is condos, that type of thing?

[2:01:52] What is, is there a schedule?

[2:01:55] If nothing changes, it's per property, right? So if those six properties, nothing change

[2:01:59] on that existing property comes in, doesn't want to redevelop or anything, they pay that one cost.

[2:02:04] But there is a formula in there that should they want to go put in condos or

[2:02:08] Develop into ICI property or anything like that where it actually there's equating equation to single family equivalencies

[2:02:15] And then they're generally charged a little more in order to in order to connect. Okay. Okay, thanks

[2:02:23] Congratulations

[2:02:23] You know, thank you, Mr. Mayor

[2:02:27] So the scenario I'm thinking about is the Okinawa Center water upgrade scenario

[2:02:34] So we're upgrading all the water infrastructure there, and I don't really know if there's

[2:02:39] a cost to the property owner for us to reconnect the water, the system that we're going to

[2:02:45] take out of there and replace.

[2:02:49] Okay, so this is for new infrastructure.

[2:02:51] Okay, adding on to it, when we're going in and fixing or replacing old infrastructure, it's

[2:02:56] covered under the rates.

[2:02:57] Yeah, I just didn't know if new, I mean, this is new infrastructure that's going in to replace the old, but it's still new.

[2:03:05] So, no, this is an extension of the existing system.

[2:03:08] Yeah, and on top, in an ideal world, if we would do this under a local service area, something like that, right?

[2:03:16] Where we have it voted on and goes through electoral cent, and we can add on the properties.

[2:03:20] This was one where you're looking at it kind of precariously, is this going to go through?

[2:03:24] We strategically really want this to go in for these various reasons and so rather than go to the local service area

[2:03:30] Where we're not sure if it's going to pass let's we can count steps the option now on certain projects

[2:03:34] They came we want this to go in irregardless

[2:03:37] And so it can be looked at as a tool essentially

[2:03:41] Yeah, my understanding was the it's an upgrade to the existing water system, but also an extension. So

[2:03:49] There will be new users and what was the fees being

[2:03:55] Yes. Are we talking about the open organ center? I know I'm not sure or we're just talking

[2:04:01] generally about connections now. No. We should stick to the sewer and this is talking

[2:04:08] strictly new extension extension of the existing system of new infrastructure.

[2:04:12] Sure. All right. First, second and third, Councillor Gamble, and second, Councillor

[2:04:20] Reed. Those, uh, Councillor Koseb for the discussion.

[2:04:28] You know, those in favor? Opposed? Is that a yes or no? He shook his head. He had a negative

[2:04:38] shake and I had nothing to add but I'm positive on it. I like this one. Those are in

[2:04:47] favor. Call you do a great job. Oppose? And Greg. Thank you. Thank you, Mary

[2:04:52] Compton. All right. And thank you. Thank you. Go. Good job.

[2:04:58] Breeding apparatus here

[2:05:03] from the chief. Hail to the chief.

[2:05:58] Okay, part of me, so we wanted to just start off with where we were with our priorities.

[2:06:04] So trying, you know, a picture tells a thousand words, so we looked at Council's priorities,

[2:06:10] looked at the OCP, so where this fire department is now, where it's going to be over the next

[2:06:14] sort of 15 years, obviously worked with finance staff on where we are with the financial

[2:06:21] plan and looked around for some grant funding that might be able to be able to help us out

[2:06:25] with this. Also the changing landscape of the NFPA standards and then our obligations under

[2:06:30] WorkSafe BC.

[2:06:33] In terms of council's priorities, what Fire Staff looked out was just looking

[2:06:39] at sustainable infrastructure, trying to be transparent, especially when we're dealing with

[2:06:44] what we perceive is a pretty big training and safety issue, and trying to make balance decision-making

[2:06:50] for the long term here.

[2:06:54] In the report, we kind of detail out that we have approximately 60 self-contained bringing apparatus and service with the fire department.

[2:07:02] They're all the same brand, but there's seven different models that we've been bought historically sort of four or five at a time.

[2:07:09] And that creates a training conundrum for us because we have to teach our firefighters not only how to be proficient with the pack, but also the differences in the packs and they have different safety features in them over time.

[2:07:20] So I kind of broke it down that there's 30 legacy units that have been in service for about 20 years or 20 years plus and those are

[2:07:29] Definitely at the point where they could be retired out the sticky part for us was that there was about another 20 units in

[2:07:37] service that

[2:07:38] While there's sort of mid-life, there'd be very expensive to upgrade to a modern standard and we can't bring them fully up to provide all of our

[2:07:47] firefighters equal access to the sort of the safest air pack that you would be able

[2:07:51] to purchase today.

[2:07:55] One of the other things, and I'll get into bit of financials, but the NFPA standards,

[2:08:00] so National Fire Protection Association, it's about 50,000 members worldwide.

[2:08:05] They drive over 300 consensus standards.

[2:08:07] It's folks like myself and Chief Penner, or a manufacturer's rep or an engineer or a fire

[2:08:16] on different standards.

[2:08:18] So a lot of these standards are driven,

[2:08:21] especially the firefighter protective equipment ones.

[2:08:24] They're unfortunately, they're driven

[2:08:25] because of incidents that have happened,

[2:08:27] and we learn those lessons,

[2:08:28] we try to pass those on through those standards.

[2:08:30] Bulk of it's in North America,

[2:08:32] but it does reach worldwide.

[2:08:36] So the NFA Committee for Self-Cutane Breeding App Rats

[2:08:40] is pulling all approvals on equipment,

[2:08:42] manufactured prior to 2002.

[2:08:44] to, and that's because some major changes in terms of safety for firefighters.

[2:08:51] The budget plan through to 27 identifies incremental purchase of SEBA, and that goes back understand

[2:09:02] until about 2017.

[2:09:04] The problem with that is with the changing standards and we're constantly straddling sort

[2:09:08] three, four additions right now standards are actually five. That model will always

[2:09:14] have us going forward. We'll always be straddling at the best two standards, but we'll probably

[2:09:19] be straddling more likely to be straddling three standards.

[2:09:25] So if we were to make the retire the older packs and trade them in and upgrade the rest that

[2:09:32] that we have, and then purchase all new,

[2:09:35] definitely make a significant impact on safety

[2:09:38] in terms of we're gonna simplify our firefighters training.

[2:09:42] They'd all be given the same access

[2:09:44] to the same safety equipment,

[2:09:45] no matter what station or what truck you get on.

[2:09:51] The opportunity here, which is sort of laid out

[2:09:54] in option A, is to use some COVID restart money

[2:09:57] because it's staff believe it fits the requirements

[2:10:01] under that grant. There's a grant that closes on October 31st, it's for

[2:10:06] firefighter equipment and firefighting equipment from UBCM, and would be eligible for one time to ask of $30,000.

[2:10:16] And I believe that grant closes on October 31st, worked with obviously with Deputy Chief

[2:10:24] We've had our finance staff and we looked at moving some money around.

[2:10:28] So, depending on what option is selected here tonight, there would be up to an additional

[2:10:34] $306,000 to $506,000 that would be used out of the Fire Facilities Equipment Fund.

[2:10:40] And we're moving some projects from the 2022 budget to fund this.

[2:10:46] So that would be a cancellation of a proposed purchase of a pickup truck, self-contained

[2:10:52] breeding apparatus, compressor station, and using actual SEBA money towards this so that

[2:11:00] there's less of an impact to the fire facilities and equipment reserve.

[2:11:05] And just so you know what you're buying in this sales pitch, on the left hand side

[2:11:10] of the screen is the actual air pack itself with a cylinder in it, and that's a particular

[2:11:15] brand that we do use.

[2:11:18] So it would be 50 new units like that with 70 new masks, so that's one mask per member.

[2:11:24] It's a hygiene thing and they're fit tested to the individual annually.

[2:11:30] And then the cylinders, and then three of the evryt packs, and those are used in case

[2:11:34] a firefighter gets stuck in an area that they can't get out of, and we can bring in breathing

[2:11:40] air to them to refill their air pack while they're actually inside of a situation.

[2:11:54] Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you for your presentation, chiefly.

[2:12:04] So, two questions, because we have the replacement programme that has been running since 2017,

[2:12:13] and when the presentation was made to council, these items would have said they would have

[2:12:19] a 15-year renewal life, and so what we're doing is actually throwing away ten of those

[2:12:26] which equates to $120,000 in order to do this program.

[2:12:32] So my first question is what guarantees do we have that the 50 units are not going to

[2:12:40] be obsolete in year five as we are currently with our 2017 units that we've purchased.

[2:12:48] So to answer your question, what we'd be able to do is upgrade all the air packs to

[2:12:54] one standard and one specific addition and then operate those air packs for 15 years.

[2:13:02] And they have a lifetime warranty, they save bumper to bumper unless you run it over, slam

[2:13:07] a door or something like that and that covers all the electronic components and then we would

[2:13:13] shift our budget strategy instead of allocating the approximately $45,000 a year that would go into

[2:13:20] the fire facilities and reserve so that we could plan for a bulk purchase in 15 years so we wouldn't

[2:13:25] intend to change the air packs for 15 years and that's a model that some departments in the valley

[2:13:33] have adopted and some departments in the lower mainland have adopted recently?

[2:13:37] I would maybe suggest that you might want to plan on a 10-year replacement just to have

[2:13:42] that contingency.

[2:13:44] If you don't need to use it, you don't need to use it.

[2:13:46] But if somebody goes and changes the standards on it, you've got no control over that and suddenly

[2:13:50] you might be facing another, but it's better to have the money and not need to spend it.

[2:13:55] And then you've got it there to have, and it seems to be given what we've just been through,

[2:13:59] it would be seems me prudent to do that. Just for where I am on this, I would be looking

[2:14:07] for option B, which is not using the COVID restart grant. And my reason for that is not

[2:14:14] because obviously I personally, yeah, I want my husband to have a new pack. It would be lovely.

[2:14:20] I don't want anything. I don't want to happen to. But with the COVID restart grant, it's

[2:14:26] We've only got 600,000 left.

[2:14:29] We're about to enter possibly one of the tightest budget cycles

[2:14:32] that we will go through as a council

[2:14:34] with a huge amount of additional funding

[2:14:38] that we have previously funded in 2022 budget

[2:14:41] and 2021 budget out of the COVID restart grant

[2:14:44] in programs that we may wish to continue

[2:14:47] but are not taxpayer funded.

[2:14:49] We also have the cost of living increases.

[2:14:52] So, we were already talking in 2022 just as we were finishing the project where we were looking at.

[2:15:00] In terms of attack increase, and before we done any budget work at all, if you just took the stuff that was left over from 2022, as that had been temporarily funded, you were looking at something like a 67% tax increase. I am conscious that we are going into an election. We're going to have a new council, and I feel that it is prudent to give them the flexibility to decide how they're going to deploy that COVID restart money and to give them

[2:15:29] much in that bucket as we possibly can given the tightness and the amount of

[2:15:35] programs that are currently running on to on a temporary funded basis. So that's

[2:15:40] my only my reason for doing that. And as a plan has been presented to me not to

[2:15:44] use that money, I'm going to go with option B at the moment. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:15:50] Anybody else speak to this? Can I come from McKenzie?

[2:15:57] I just wanted to be

[2:15:58] Bill, thank you, Mr. Rare.

[2:16:00] I wanted to steal my ideas.

[2:16:04] Sorry.

[2:16:04] No, as far as the safety aspect of this goes,

[2:16:09] I think this is a no-brainer for me.

[2:16:13] I do agree with my fellow councillor that it's probably

[2:16:19] wise of us to choose the other option.

[2:16:23] So I just wanted to make sure that that was the case.

[2:16:27] so I will move that if I have a second turn.

[2:16:31] The

[2:16:38] councilor Scarov?

[2:16:39] Well, sir, I was going to move option B,

[2:16:43] but now that it's been moved by the guy who beat me,

[2:16:46] then I will just support his opponent, okay?

[2:16:50] So you didn't mean to talk to him.

[2:16:53] And yes, I'd certainly support that.

[2:16:56] Oh, sorry, Councillor Cosa.

[2:17:01] You there?

[2:17:01] I thought you guys were going to forget me.

[2:17:06] But I just wanted to continue and say that someone who's worn an SCBA for 25 years back

[2:17:13] when they were a bigger ranger on your chest and I hope they still don't have those old

[2:17:16] guys, but no, this is something that streamlining and putting it all together, although, I must

[2:17:22] say I've never gone into a fire building fire with one little bit different circumstances,

[2:17:28] the places that I enter with them, but no, I just wanted to say that I'm fully

[2:17:33] behind this. This is a type of stuff we need to do. We need to have our firemen

[2:17:36] safe and we need to get behind them and make sure that everything is

[2:17:40] streamlined and the same, especially when you're an emergency situation or when

[2:17:43] you're in a confined space, you want to know that all of your gear is the same.

[2:17:48] You don't want to have different gear for at different stations and stuff like

[2:17:51] that, so I just wanted to throw that in there. And I'm all for option B. Thank you.

[2:17:55] Thank you very good. Thank you. Councilor Scara just a question to the chief. I think you mentioned earlier that we maybe are going to deflect the purchase of a new pickup truck and put that resource towards this project. Is that what I heard? That's correct. Yeah. So if you don't get a new pickup truck, what is Steve going to drive?

[2:18:19] I appreciate that. I think that we buy too many brand new trucks.

[2:18:23] Any further discussion?

[2:18:25] No.

[2:18:26] Those in favor?

[2:18:27] Yeah.

[2:18:27] I suppose everybody is in favor.

[2:18:30] Thank you.

[2:18:30] And thank you very much.

[2:18:31] Good presentation.

[2:18:33] And thank you, Cara, for saving money to spend elsewhere.

[2:18:38] Are

[2:18:45] we reporting from in-camera?

[2:18:48] No.

[2:18:48] Council

[2:18:54] or items and notice a motion from Councillor Reid.

[2:19:02] Okay, this is the first of two norms. So my first notice of motion is that staff be directed

[2:19:09] to report back to Council on the operation and budgetary implications of including property

[2:19:14] that is currently identified as a road and immediately fronting the Toby 16590 Toby Road

[2:19:22] continuing north up to including the ward front end in front of Toby Road into the scheduled

[2:19:27] maintained and park areas, including maintenance, signage and improve public access to the

[2:19:32] ward front. In accordance with the objectives of the official community plan and the parks

[2:19:38] and recreation master plan, and this in kind of colloquial terms is looking at extending

[2:19:44] the scope of the maintained aspect of Gable Beach Park, northwards to the junction of Toby

[2:19:51] be road. A couple of reasons around this. One invasive species has really overtaken that

[2:19:58] park, that part of the road end, and there was an initiative by the community to clear

[2:20:06] that up on the 27th of August. Thank you to Bob Smith and Anthia and Diane Smith who

[2:20:12] came out and did that, and it's made an amazing difference. And they've been working closely

[2:20:17] with the parks team through the Community Association, and Sean is going to come out there and cut down

[2:20:23] the remaining trees and put some herbicide on the stumps to take out the roots, and there's

[2:20:28] probably going to be some ongoing maintenance, but after a while, they'll just kind of creep into

[2:20:32] the maintained area and produce more work there. The property owner who fronts that property is

[2:20:38] very keen that this becomes part of the maintained park for the invasive species, which are then

[2:20:47] and general by-law maintenance, so and then by adding Toby Road it gives another, again,

[2:20:53] invasive species management that can be taken care of and another access to the park, and this

[2:21:00] is adding to an existing park, so it's not intended to be extra visits out or an additional area

[2:21:06] that needs to be driven to, it's adding to it, and as we're asking the community to consider providing

[2:21:13] waterfront fund funding for another waterfront park to the tune of six million. I think it's really

[2:21:18] important that we show that we're also maximizing our current inventory and our water, and this is

[2:21:24] one way of doing that. Thank you. I thought that statutory right away extended north to beyond

[2:21:33] over. It does, and this was just the intent to do it up to the Toby Road end because it's the most

[2:21:40] It's most heavily vegetated with invasive species, and it's not the option to go further,

[2:21:45] but I think it was more of a, in the community plan from 2006.

[2:21:50] It was more envisaged to be kind of a trail, to connect up to Coral Beach South, and that's

[2:21:57] something I think might be something the Parks and Recreation Department may look at in

[2:22:02] the future.

[2:22:02] But this was just the first step of the potential.

[2:22:05] Good.

[2:22:05] Thank you.

[2:22:06] Councillor Scaram.

[2:22:06] I'll speak in favor of this motion, even though I feel it's a little bit unnecessary

[2:22:15] because knowing Councillor Reid and her attention, I imagine Sean's going to be paying attention

[2:22:21] to this no matter what we do.

[2:22:25] But I was down there today, I visited Gable Beach and after we decided as a community to keep

[2:22:34] that beach, it makes some sense to me that we should maintain that beach.

[2:22:39] I talked a little bit to the local councillor down there about the level of maintenance that occurs today and

[2:22:47] it's not that

[2:22:50] Hi, but it shouldn't be because of the size of the park and the amount of use it gets

[2:22:57] But it's a growing park and I think the use is improving and I think in order to serve our

[2:23:02] community correctly we should improve our maintenance along with the improved

[2:23:08] use of Gable Beach so I will be voting in support of this motion. Thank you. Any

[2:23:15] further discussion? Oh, this is a notice of motion. Can we do it? Can I make a

[2:23:21] motion? Yes, you can make a motion. Sorry.

[2:23:26] You make the motion. I'll get a motion. Okay, I'll

[2:23:31] I'll make a motion.

[2:23:33] I'll do that effect in conscious go second all right now discussion on the motion.

[2:23:38] All right.

[2:23:41] I'm going to say I'm not.

[2:23:45] It's not that I'm not in favor of this.

[2:23:48] I would just hope to see that.

[2:23:51] You know right now.

[2:23:53] You know, can I have a center we have a massively long beach that gets very little attention.

[2:23:59] and because we simply can't afford to do it.

[2:24:04] So I would just be concerned that, you know,

[2:24:10] outside of Ouyama, it's our busiest beach.

[2:24:13] It might be busier than Ouyama.

[2:24:15] And it certainly needs, well, you have to actually

[2:24:21] leave Ouyama once in a while.

[2:24:23] I go there once in a while when I can get a passport.

[2:24:29] yeah look at it it it's extremely heavily used is everybody knows and it's

[2:24:33] requires a lot of attention that you know that I it's not for lack of time by

[2:24:38] the park skies but right now they're stretched just picking up the

[2:24:43] garbage on the road well they don't really have time to go and pick up the

[2:24:48] garbage on the beach or or do much else other than cut it every once in a

[2:24:52] while and uh you know that would be my concern is that

[2:24:56] But we stretch that budget so far that we're not actually servicing the places that are

[2:25:06] heavily, heavily visited.

[2:25:08] And if you were to walk along the road, which I did today, along the pebble beach side,

[2:25:15] that whole little green space that's between the beach and the road has been decimated by

[2:25:22] the summer use.

[2:25:23] every single possible method of entering the beachfront has been stomped on. Every single plant has been stomped on. The trees are barely living.

[2:25:32] Cars park on the trees and they park on the tree roots despite our best efforts to try to stop that from happening.

[2:25:39] You know, it's an extremely long beachfront. So I would hope that we would be able to stretch that because I would hate to see that part not get serviced.

[2:25:52] because it's getting more and more difficult,

[2:25:55] and it's getting more and more used,

[2:25:57] and it's getting more and more abused,

[2:25:59] and it needs some money thrown at it.

[2:26:01] There's no doubt about it.

[2:26:03] All right, thank you.

[2:26:04] Councilor Gamble.

[2:26:05] Thank you.

[2:26:06] Well, I will be supporting this resolution

[2:26:08] because it is asking that staff be directed

[2:26:12] to report back to Council on the budgetary

[2:26:16] and operational implications, which I think is great.

[2:26:20] And so before we make a decision, we're going to have a report and I like that.

[2:26:25] So I will support this.

[2:26:26] And just a comment, I swim down at Okanagan Center as often as I can and love it.

[2:26:33] And no, I don't ride a bike down there, never did in fact, rode a bike but not down there.

[2:26:40] there.

[2:26:42] But I just want to say that when I have been there, which is, you know, frequently

[2:26:48] this summer, I go to Pebble Beach, so it has been amazingly clean. So, you know, and

[2:26:55] if we have any litter, we put it in the garbage can and I make sure the kids do that, the

[2:27:00] grandkids do that too. So I just have to say I love that area and whoever's helping to

[2:27:07] clean it up? Are they doing a wonderful job? And maybe it's our staff, but all I know is it's

[2:27:12] really nice. And thanks to those that are doing it. Councillor Reid.

[2:27:20] Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you, Councillor Campbell, for raising that. Yes, it is just a notice

[2:27:26] emotion, a motion to come before council at the budget time, so it's not a decision at this time.

[2:27:31] and I think as happens on many of our beaches, it's the community support and I have to say

[2:27:38] the feedback I've had from the teams who have been working with the parks department has just

[2:27:42] been an exception and they've had a great conversation and this is a beach that's seen more and more

[2:27:48] community involvement and engagement and support. They've already funded $15,000, $1500, sorry,

[2:27:55] for a bench down there that was put in as a result of the community. So the community are kind of

[2:28:00] invested in this area, and I'm sure they will continue to support it.

[2:28:06] It's been one of our busier seasons down there for a long time, and it was packed for summer,

[2:28:12] for Gable Beach. It was great, and people were swimming in paddle boarding, and lots of people

[2:28:17] down there with dogs, and so it's more the kind of the signage aspect as well that goes in there.

[2:28:23] So that would be great.

[2:28:24] Good.

[2:28:26] Thank you.

[2:28:27] Those in favour?

[2:28:29] Opposed?

[2:28:29] Motion carries.

[2:28:30] Thank you.

[2:28:34] And the second one.

[2:28:36] The second norm is to do the same thing.

[2:28:39] And this is to see whether the parks department and maybe the parks committee have any other areas

[2:28:46] of our maintained or development park areas that could benefit the community by including

[2:28:52] being included in the maintained areas of our parks and to come back to Council at

[2:28:57] the budget time with any suggestions, there may be none, or there may be some, and then Council can make that decision.

[2:29:04] Councilist Carr?

[2:29:06] In this particular motion, I'd like to hear just a tad from staff because I do believe we have an inventory of road ins

[2:29:13] and an inventory of various levels of parks, some of them on maintain some of the road in parks and stuff.

[2:29:21] and do we not have an inventory, Matt?

[2:29:25] We did have it one time.

[2:29:27] Well,

[2:29:34] don't say I have no idea.

[2:29:37] You have to introduce yourself.

[2:29:39] Thank you, Mr. Mayor,

[2:29:40] Matt Vader, Director of Parks, Recreation and Culture.

[2:29:44] I won't say you have no idea, Councillor Scarello,

[2:29:46] that would be inappropriate.

[2:29:48] I would say that you have a questionable remembrance

[2:29:51] of what an inventory would be and what each one are.

[2:29:54] So I would say that this is a fairly decent amount of work

[2:29:57] to identify if we were looking at all of them.

[2:30:00] I would ask council for some direction on sort of types and understandings because a lot of our parks are in road ends. So if you look at something that's basically every thousand feet on waterfront, there's a lot of things that are unknown. So if we're requested to look at all inventory, would it could be? It's going to be a lot of work and it probably would be the 2023, 2024 budget time before we get to that point. There's some well known ones, obviously. So new ones, for an example, a crate, these are all undeveloped per se.

[2:30:29] where they're not maintained,

[2:30:32] Gapel Beach component of it would be fall under that.

[2:30:35] So I think a little bit more direction

[2:30:36] from the Councillor on the no-semotion

[2:30:38] of sort of that scope of what it is

[2:30:39] because I hesitate to put work

[2:30:42] to bring something back that's sort of ambiguous right now

[2:30:44] to do that one.

[2:30:47] Councillor Aron.

[2:30:49] Thanks, Maria.

[2:30:50] I have a suggestion in that.

[2:30:52] Maybe this become a little bit of a work

[2:30:55] for the park committee to identify some areas

[2:30:58] and to narrow that down. I mean, that's what the park committee exists for. So rather than,

[2:31:05] yeah, I think that would be a good solution. To refer to the park committee, let them put some work

[2:31:11] into, and that means me, um, into identifying those areas that could be improved rather than,

[2:31:20] you know, let's take the whole thing because I would make that motion to defer to the park's committee

[2:31:26] and we'd have to narrow some choices down for the next improved areas.

[2:31:35] Just for one comment on that, I would think focusing on principles is probably the best way

[2:31:40] to do this as Chancellor Reed has experienced with the conversations with the cars landing

[2:31:44] rather than the outcomes.

[2:31:46] What are people looking for?

[2:31:47] Is it natural environment protection?

[2:31:48] Is it access to water?

[2:31:50] Is it sports fields?

[2:31:51] Is it play fields?

[2:31:52] Is it equipment?

[2:31:52] like then we consider looking what are the appropriate things for those principles and make it a lot easier to sort of define that for the park committee as well because obviously they're not subject matter experts on all this and they're not you know inventory understanding of every piece of land we have.

[2:32:06] So some guiding it down from council and some of those principles would be helpful with that discussion with the park committee.

[2:32:11] Yeah, I was just going to add that at one time the regional district did mapping of all

[2:32:21] of the rodents in at that time, Electoral Area A, OEM would and Kelmalka and not OEM

[2:32:34] Malik, but Wood Lake, Kalanaka, and Okanagan Center, where there were road ends that, as

[2:32:40] you say, every, there's a 1,000 feet, there's a 66 foot road right away, and they mapped

[2:32:49] them, or they used folios to determine where they were, and Kalanland at the same time as,

[2:32:57] was generated by the regional district at one time, whether it came to us after incorporation

[2:33:05] or not.

[2:33:06] I'm not sure.

[2:33:07] So it's not about not knowing on an inventory basis, it's cataloging, and what.

[2:33:11] So for an example, and, you know, the jewel, the Okanagan Oyama, on Trasgrode, there would

[2:33:17] be three waterfront accesses just on Trasgrode, each of them with a different condition that

[2:33:22] you'd have to deal with, and that's only, you know, a less than one kilometer stretch.

[2:33:25] So it's not about not knowing it's by each individual one would have to be looked at on what could you actually do here what would be done here

[2:33:32] You know we're talking riparian vegetation

[2:33:34] Like it's a big analysis to not identify the inventory, but identify what should and could be done on that. Okay. Good councillor Reed

[2:33:42] I complete the agreement with everything you've said and and and councillor Alain said I'm just kind of from the community in the

[2:33:50] The car's landing, some of the comments that we've heard is providing neighbourhood parks

[2:33:54] such a further, more centralised community, so like Terrace View was one thought, maybe

[2:34:00] the use of RS Marshall Park was another one that had come up in conversation and then

[2:34:05] finally was using the road end that attaches to Tabie Road End, kind of as a beachfront trail

[2:34:13] kind of thing.

[2:34:14] So that was kind of where we've heard from in the community in car's landing, but yeah.

[2:34:19] Yeah, that's the only guidance I have from my section of the world.

[2:34:24] Yeah, as I say before, if Council collectively or from yourself or from the, you know, the representative for the park committee come up with some principles of

[2:34:32] generically across the district so we could treat everybody equivalently, not necessarily equal, but fairly on what those sort of elements are.

[2:34:40] I think it would be beneficial for the park committee to look at that.

[2:34:43] Okay, so how would be, would it best have a strategy session of that in the new year?

[2:34:48] Um, I can give you some suggestions maybe on other elements we have in council either just through an email can confirm that they're comfortable with those

[2:34:57] Components recognizing today is September 6th and this council for direction has limited

[2:35:04] Like a better word. Yeah, so I can I can send around an email just based on some principles for confirmation. Thank you

[2:35:11] In the any other council don't need to buy things

[2:35:15] Instead of going around the table

[2:35:18] Oh, yeah, refer to park, refer to park, those in favour, both motion carries.

[2:35:25] All right.

[2:35:26] I've got one more thing.

[2:35:27] Just car lining community social on the 21st of September tickets are still available,

[2:35:33] very kindly hosted by peak sellers.

[2:35:35] It was great when we last did it in just before COVID.

[2:35:39] So that's 21st of September.

[2:35:42] Tickets are available if there's any councillors who wish to come along.

[2:35:47] I'm sure we can sneak you in as well as $45 for non-members.

[2:35:55] Yes.

[2:35:56] I do have a small item here because we're close to the end of our term and I know that the next couple of meetings are going to be

[2:36:05] accolades to a couple of our councillors and mayors who won't be here next year.

[2:36:10] So, I wanted to just make a word or two about outside politicians.

[2:36:16] Boy, a backster comes to my mind.

[2:36:18] Ken Christian, who was born and raised in Lake Country and is the mayor of Camelops, comes to mind.

[2:36:24] Both of these people are leaving, and they're leaving for the wrong reasons.

[2:36:29] Both of them love their jobs.

[2:36:32] Both of them are leaving because of the emails they've received and the threats that their families and their friends have received.

[2:36:38] day. This is just wrong. This is wrong. And I want to tell the whole world that we'll

[2:36:45] listen, that this is the wrong place to point your anger. And we're losing very good people

[2:36:52] because of this. And there's no one there to replace them. If the job that we do includes

[2:37:01] these threats which thankfully in Lake Country it doesn't at this point but if

[2:37:08] it ever grows to that that's something I don't want to see and I would

[2:37:13] refuse to be a part of. So I thank Moeabaxter I thank Ken Christian and I

[2:37:19] thank all those other politicians local and provincial and federal that are

[2:37:25] facing the same choices and making the same decisions. Thank you Moeabaxter for

[2:37:30] your work. Thank you. All right, Councillor Reid, we did you and Councillor Ireland.

[2:37:40] Yeah, I don't have much to say but to agree with my friend Bill over here, I mean more

[2:37:47] of actors work tirelessly. tirelessly, tirelessly for many, many years for the school district

[2:37:53] and she's done an amazing job. You know what, it's easy to sit there from your couch and

[2:38:00] complain about her and complain about the work they do it's a lot harder to get

[2:38:03] in there and do the work and she's done a fantastic job and she's certainly

[2:38:07] I didn't know that but she certainly doesn't deserve that and neither does

[2:38:12] anybody else who's trying to do the right thing for their community and I you know

[2:38:15] I don't I think all of us have been reading horror stories across the country

[2:38:20] and you know it's got to stop but there won't be anybody left because no one's

[2:38:26] going to do that. If anybody thinks that we do this for the connections and the money

[2:38:31] and those sort of things, they should come and look at our bank accounts. It's not

[2:38:37] about that. It's about service to your community. If you want to drive away those people who

[2:38:42] are doing their best for their communities, then you're going about it the right way.

[2:38:49] It's incredibly sad that these things happen. I personally read some horrific things going

[2:38:55] I'm not going to go back lately, you know, a woman running for office not elected, whose

[2:39:01] eight months pregnant to somebody phone the police and said they'd find her dead body

[2:39:06] outside on the street. And the police phoned her said, don't leave your house. And then

[2:39:10] they phoned her workmates and told her she was dead in the street. And she was sitting there

[2:39:16] eight months pregnant hiding in her bathroom shaking. And she's not elected.

[2:39:24] It's beyond

[2:39:24] disgusting. Just beyond it. All right.

[2:39:31] This is you're scary not a lot of possible candidates.

[2:39:36] Councillor McKenzie. Thank you Mr. Mayor and yeah I echo those thoughts obviously that's not

[2:39:47] acceptable. So I have one announcement in in Ouyama that's happening on September. Oh yeah,

[2:40:01] we forgot to announce the art walk. That is happening this Saturday.

[2:40:08] Saturday, Saturn Sunday, what time does it start in the morning?

[2:40:17] Do you remember?

[2:40:19] It's at 10.

[2:40:20] So just yeah, the art walk, it's our most well attended thing in the entire community.

[2:40:29] So make sure you check it out.

[2:40:33] Um, and as well, um, being that, uh, my wife is a cancer survivor for the last 11 years.

[2:40:43] She has, uh, she's running her bike for the cure this 25th of September.

[2:40:50] Um, it'll be going out of, uh, Gatsky's orchards, um, by pedagogy and going, um, bike around

[2:40:59] the lake she has to date raised over $40,000 so she's done very well and she's looking for

[2:41:08] anybody that wants to join it's at 10.30 the bike ride starts at 11 refreshments door prizes

[2:41:18] there's actually live music and good music apparently apparently she's got some friends

[2:41:26] and a silent auction so it is pretty good there so in any donations obviously are going to

[2:41:33] the run for the cure but it's her bike for the cure so yeah I just want to make sure that is

[2:41:42] September 25th. So every 25th, 1030 at Gatsby Orchard. Yes. The seeing that the

[2:41:53] Mr. Mayor worked with my wife way back when at the college. I'm sure she would

[2:41:58] love to see you show up for that. Make a guest appearance. I was supposed to be

[2:42:03] there last year. But I won't miss it this year. So yeah. So I would appreciate any of

[2:42:09] that. And as well, I'm just going to say with our beaches and stuff out in Oyama in the

[2:42:17] jewel of the late country.

[2:42:22] One thing that I have to say thanks again is Heather Irvine

[2:42:28] going around and cleaning up. I've seen her again going through Oyama and up them washing.

[2:42:33] You know, I like to clean up when I can when I'm walking my dog twice a day and I know a few people

[2:42:38] do that and I just want to say thanks to them because it is that time of year where that garbage is

[2:42:47] most the worst that we're going to see so hopefully more people continue to do that so

[2:42:55] thanks to everybody who does their part. Thank you and Councillor Gable.

[2:43:02] Thank you and I just want to mention the artwork as well. I didn't think anybody was going to mention it.

[2:43:08] Of course, Saturday and Sunday in our community,

[2:43:12] and that's always a great event for people.

[2:43:15] And the other thing is don't forget

[2:43:17] to be careful as you're driving through school zones.

[2:43:21] The kids are back in school as of today.

[2:43:24] You might have noticed it.

[2:43:25] They was tremendous amount of traffic

[2:43:27] out on the road today.

[2:43:29] And just be careful as you're driving through those zones.

[2:43:33] And that's it.

[2:43:33] Good night, all.

[2:43:34] Yeah, thank you.

[2:43:35] And Councillor Cosa, are you still there?

[2:43:41] Yeah, I really don't have anything tonight except for to thank everyone and I'm going

[2:43:45] to be safe and see you all in the next few weeks.

[2:43:49] All right,

[2:43:52] we are adjourned.

[2:43:54] Good night all.

[2:43:55] Good night all.

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