[5:02] I'm going to call our meeting to order. This is our regular meeting of the Board of Supervisors for September 1st, 2026.

[5:14] Thank you for being here. I just wanted to, but out of reminder regarding our public comment, the Board welcomes and encourages public comment.

[5:25] We do want to hear from people, whether it's just general public comment or comments regarding items later in the day that we're discussing.

[5:37] And just reminder we do have a three minute hard stop on that, so you'll be asked to stop if you go past the three minutes.

[5:46] Also, a reminder that all comments and questions and statements need to be directed to the Board of Supervisors, not to staff, and I will decide what questions are going to be answered if any.

[6:03] And then just lastly, it's always more effective if you're criticizing policies and procedures and things like that rather than criticism of individual people and staff members.

[6:18] So, thank you, do any board members have moments of silence?

[6:25] Go ahead, surprise your sub-ATA.

[6:27] Yeah, I'd like to take a moment of silence for Mary Silva.

[6:31] Mary Silva was a long time community service member of the Clear Lake area.

[6:40] She was a school board member for gosh, I want to say at least multiple decades.

[6:46] I don't have the exact years, but since I've known the school board, she's been on the school board.

[6:52] She left about two years ago.

[6:55] And just a huge passion for the students, the teachers,

[7:01] and just making life better for all of those in the Connoctinified School District,

[7:08] her strength as a person to stand by her values,

[7:13] in my opinion, was second to none and her care for where our students were going and how

[7:21] our students were being treated. I thought it was absolutely amazing and I left the standard

[7:26] that I hope everybody can meet on a school board. Unfortunately, she left the school board

[7:31] due to health issues and we could go to come to our health issues and so we lost Mary Silva,

[7:38] which is a huge loss for the family,

[7:40] for the friends, for the school district,

[7:43] and just for many around-incletely.

[7:46] Thank you, any others?

[8:14] Thank you, sir.

[8:14] Registrate, I would do this in the club.

[8:18] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

[8:21] of America, and to the Republic for which it stands,

[8:26] one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty

[8:30] and justice for all.

[8:34] Thank you.

[8:34] Do we have any extra items on the agenda?

[8:37] We do not chair.

[8:38] Thank you.

[8:39] Then we'll move on to the approval of the consent agenda and I do understand that we're

[8:44] going to be pulling item 5.4 for discussion later in the day.

[8:50] Are there any other items that supervisors wish to pull?

[8:55] Is there anyone in the public online or in the room that wishes to request we pull any

[9:00] consent agenda item?

[9:02] No hands not seeing any in the room, I'll be ready for action on that.

[9:11] It's a chair move to approve the consent agenda with the exception of 5.4.

[9:15] I have a motion of the second all in favor.

[9:17] I opposed hearing none that carries 4.0 and we will now move on to our 902 public input

[9:26] item and I'm going to start online today.

[9:33] Zoom user please identify yourself and you'll have three minutes.

[9:38] Skyley Lomb, Pillsbury Family Farms, and over the past few weeks the chair has encouraged the public to bring more solutions to the board and for your complaints about the government.

[9:47] So today I have a solution to my own situation.

[9:50] Lee County should start offering seminars.

[9:51] Can a disconsolting assistance to other cannabis counties? Seriously.

[9:56] If the way that my situation handled reflects effective cannabis regulation.

[10:00] Then another county should have the opportunity to study it and decide whether the county of late cannabis model would work for them. Let's start with holding public seminars. Let's teach other cannabis counties what happens when a cannabis applicant social security number is exposed to government records and then let's teach how that county can examine what happened and when that applicant try to get a police report taken afterward. Then let's hold a county of late planner seminar. Let's show how whether planners can become more involved investigating an applicant's criminal history without becoming law enforcement.

[10:29] Let's give their planners the records.

[10:31] Let them examine the communications and how the information was sought to determine the

[10:36] information the department was actually authorized to receive and let the masks

[10:39] would they allow their planning department to operate this web?

[10:42] Then let's help other cannabis equity counties by holding the County of Lake

[10:46] Cannabis Equity Grant and Cannabis Tax Seminar.

[10:49] If County of Lake received millions of dollars in Cannabis Equity Fund and funding,

[10:53] then the county should be able to explain how they accepted 50,000 in Cannabis Grant

[10:57] funding toward our cultivation taxes and accepted an additional tax payment

[11:01] from us.

[11:01] So when we saw a refund, our tax dispute eventually became intertwined with

[11:05] allegations of when licensed cultivation and permit re-vocation

[11:07] process.

[11:09] Let those counties read the tax collectors own correspondence with working

[11:12] with the community of development, can on cannabis taxes, and

[11:16] revocations.

[11:18] And let us teach them about leverage.

[11:20] Let's show them what government can accomplish when the situation

[11:23] controlling somebody else's permit has the power to issue

[11:26] directives that affect the livelihood that's dependent on their situation.

[11:31] And let's have the sheriff's department hold a cannabis background seminar.

[11:34] Let's teach other counties the value of silence, showing our community development and

[11:39] sheriff's department, how repeated emails and inquiries from a cannabis applicant can go

[11:43] and answer even when those questions involve their permit and background determination and

[11:47] livelihood.

[11:48] Let's teach other sheriff's departments how they can refuse to consider, expungement, granted

[11:52] by other California courts.

[11:53] County of Lake is already sending the new standard, only an expungement from our own

[11:58] court system deserves a consideration while where we have granted from other California

[12:01] courts can be simply ignored.

[12:04] Let's teach them how useful silence becomes when nobody has to put a reason in writing

[12:08] and nobody has to explain the decision.

[12:12] Our late County Sheriff motto is if nobody answers a question, nobody has to defend the

[12:16] answer.

[12:17] Let them examine what happens when somebody attempts to report alleged misconduct involving

[12:22] the government regulated them. I don't know about you guys, but I believe the county of

[12:26] Lake has developed the most innovative cannabis regulatory system in California, and we need to share it.

[12:32] Milay Ham. Thank you. Do we have anyone else?

[12:40] Another hands that I'm going to move to the room.

[12:43] Go ahead and come forward, state your name. You'll have three minutes.

[12:56] My name is your doctor for safety.

[13:00] I need a job. I also have several one is to save Bambi. So many Bambi's get hit on

[13:05] make sure drive. It's so sad. I've never killed a band beat with my bicycle. Also growing

[13:09] up, there was a phone list of hunters to call and animals hit. We're quickly picked up

[13:13] so the meat would not spoil. I hate seeing good local food wasted. The crap they

[13:17] should have belonged way in plastic. I wish people would just stop buying it so it would

[13:20] go away. We can grow more locally. Who has the extra money in land? I'm broke but the

[13:24] bank said I can still pull weeds and plant seeds. And I'm with a bicycle trailer as an energy

[13:29] efficient way to move produce to the farmers market. In high school I worked on a trail

[13:34] crew and we had horses carrying food. I saw two high school kids driving a tractor

[13:40] down Lake Shore Boulevard. Was that legal issue? Wasn't going to report them? That was great.

[13:44] The deer antlers were protesting plastic. It looked like smart kids. This is a message from

[13:49] Redocta for safety. She hoped she could make it to the meeting tomorrow, but her bosses are mad

[13:54] that she has not finished her homework. There are a bunch of unhinged assholes and lunatics who are

[13:58] actually frustrated humanitarianists that all at one time or another have issues with addiction.

[14:01] and so it seems like the whole fate of the world

[14:03] rests in the hands of humans that are quite unstable,

[14:06] but also creative and hardworking geniuses.

[14:09] Redacted for safety probably won't be back for a little while.

[14:12] It's a long story.

[14:13] She has manic episodes, so it might not take too long to finish.

[14:16] Some state, Mania, is a spiritually emergency.

[14:19] Yes, probably, SOS.

[14:20] All hands on deck, let's have fun.

[14:22] There are lots of conspiracy theories being passed

[14:24] around channeling.

[14:25] I gathered a ton from blocked most channels

[14:27] because now we don't need them anymore.

[14:30] Communicate mainly with birds. They leave random feathers of a particular kind and that reminds me of the specific human

[14:35] I know to go talk to when I see them when I rancher haulers out be careful

[14:40] High alert now and when I hear a rumor that if things don't change well whole bunch of high school kids with drones

[14:45] Are gonna take out the people not helping well and won't be me. I think the messages to sustainability has reached military level priority

[14:52] I don't have any drones. I just plant seeds, but I don't know what those kids are doing

[14:57] if it's a bullshit job when that causes unnecessary harm.

[15:00] Find one that's more useful or at least try the kids are seeing the system as nonsense. They don't want to drive a car. They are stealing tractors to drive down the street. They know the system will fail them. I sometimes go silent to watch my back. I don't want to end up like Charlie Kirk, and I want them to be safe too, so we communicate with notes after and try to make this work funny and attractive. This county is full of brave and talented people. Let's have a great week. And I will be in and out of my rule as mental health advocate. I hope everyone likes my ideas. I'm happy to receive feedback.

[15:30] both positive and also constructive criticism is welcome, just please don't tell me to

[15:34] fuck off. If I get frustrated and off myself I'm pretty sure someone with a

[15:38] similar skill set and objective is going to show up in my place to care on work that

[15:42] must be done. Now I must get back to work. Thank you for letting me speak. I hope you all

[15:46] have a good day. Apologize for publicly naming, redacted, redacted, I actually think

[15:52] they were helping me. I wish to let the county know county employees that failed to meet

[15:56] standards and goals for ethics, safety and sustainability.

[15:59] Thank you.

[16:00] That was your time.

[16:01] Thank you.

[16:03] Next person.

[16:07] My name is Justin Quail.

[16:10] I was told to seek out Sheriff Bingham.

[16:13] I've emailed him no response.

[16:17] I've called him no response.

[16:19] I've called the Sheriff's Department no response.

[16:23] But I've been told by your director that I have to seek him out.

[16:27] I went to five different lawyers in the local area. They said it's illegal

[16:32] But you guys are asking me to do it. So I'm trying and I don't want to break the law

[16:36] But that's what you're telling me to do

[16:40] So seeking out a share of Bingham. Hello, share of Bingham. I have got an expungement

[16:47] And I was passed by the first to the judge or I read the past

[16:51] Share before you me and him had a great conversation over the phone with the last director

[16:57] about my criminal record and they allowed it but this director said I can't have it and I hope you

[17:04] do this to every cannabis farmer that ever got a license. Every time you get a new sheriff

[17:10] he got around all of their credit background check we got to check it again we got to make

[17:15] sure it's standard to him and he won't respond to email but we did say in public as the last

[17:20] public meeting that he said that retaliation isn't legal but it is legal here. I've had my name

[17:26] different community development directors and different people seek out my name with him even there

[17:33] saying that I'm being treated different. Why am I different? Nobody will tell me why I'm different.

[17:38] I'm especially different. I'm definitely different. You're right. I was born with a disability.

[17:42] A reading writing disability. I was very transparent. He said he was my friend, but he said

[17:46] you really was my friend. He did one of the information about my disability. He can't handle it.

[17:51] So, how do I seek out a sheriff?

[17:55] I've asked the judge, and he said it was illegal.

[17:59] I've had five different and I went to the Justice Attorney in Sonoma, and he said it was a abuse of power.

[18:05] So, how do I seek out a sheriff being them?

[18:07] If you get back on my license, I was cleared by another sheriff, but then this sheriff said,

[18:12] no, you can't have it because you can't file complaints about grant fraud.

[18:16] That's wrong.

[18:17] That can't solve the place about code enforcement officers and personating police officers.

[18:23] That's legal.

[18:24] And the guy that got arrested, this is the crazy part.

[18:27] We never even had an investigator come and he got trained to a wrong party.

[18:31] And nobody ever came in an investigator in the 1700 pounds that went in my trailer,

[18:36] your truck to the dumb, no war.

[18:39] It's no sees or no, no.

[18:41] Where's the notice on the gate?

[18:43] None of that.

[18:44] But it's a share of what I'm going to call code enforcement is a new share of an office.

[18:49] I just scared.

[18:50] I don't hire private investigator.

[18:51] I got private investigators walking around.

[18:53] I just spent so much $23,000 on personal protection video cameras because I'm scared

[19:00] of my own government.

[19:00] I can't even call 911.

[19:02] They can't even tell me the story is legal.

[19:04] It is legal because if you don't cultivate, you've got to talk to the share of if you

[19:08] can't cultivate until you talk to the share, but you have to pay the tax anyway.

[19:15] Make sure the grant fund in the campaign taxes.

[19:18] Thank you, Mr. Quail. Next to in the room.

[19:26] Morning, supervisors. Chair Rasmussen.

[19:29] Can you hear me?

[19:30] Yes.

[19:30] I'm Brandon Disney, the mayor of the City of Lakeport.

[19:34] And I'm here to offer some appreciation regarding the drone show.

[19:40] It was a wonderful turnout and it's something

[19:44] that Supervisor Savantiay, Supervisor Rasmussen,

[19:48] without your help that wouldn't have occurred.

[19:51] I'm joined here with Mayor Protemitina

[19:54] and City Manager Ingram,

[19:56] and our goal today was just to say thank you.

[20:00] It's especially the one in Lakeport. I didn't get down to the drone show in Clear Lake, but in Lakeport we had a wonderful turnout.

[20:08] I think it really, really highlights what can be done between county, city, private business, that sponsor. This was a wonderful example of collaboration.

[20:24] between multiple agencies, private business,

[20:28] and I really look forward to planning for future events.

[20:32] I think what we're hearing from the public is it was a huge hit

[20:36] in a wonderful success.

[20:39] So I'll keep my public comment brief today,

[20:42] but I just wanted to thank the board

[20:44] and look forward to future collaborations.

[20:49] Thank you, Mayor.

[20:51] We appreciate that.

[20:52] Thank you.

[20:54] Next in the room.

[20:58] Good morning.

[20:58] My name is Matthew St. Clair.

[21:00] I am here on behalf of the Clear Lake O's Glen Haven Business Owners Association in regards to the Clear Lake O's Catfish Derby referencing agenda item 6.6.

[21:14] This would have a severe impact.

[21:16] This is related to an agenda item today.

[21:20] So you're gonna have to wait to comment until we get to that item.

[21:23] This is for general public comment not for stuff that's not on the agenda, so we'll get to that.

[21:30] Thank you.

[21:31] Thank you.

[21:43] Good morning, Mr. Chair, Tom Lysick.

[21:46] I want to go back to something I mentioned a couple weeks ago, again, thinking the supervisors

[21:52] for making the commitment to not approve a local area plan unless the community feels comfortable

[21:59] with it, and I appreciate that. I want to extend on what that actually means, because it becomes

[22:04] important based on some recent events. In practical terms, the plan is not suitable to the community,

[22:12] that means it needs to be changed, and you end up with a new draft and the emphasis is on the word

[22:18] new, and I'll explain that in a minute. The other thing, as I mentioned, is why bother the

[22:27] the corollary turn to that is don't bother. Over and over again, we've heard from CD during

[22:36] this process phrases in terms that discourages the community from actually getting involved

[22:41] in the planning process. So for example, a phrase might be, well, you can do that. You can

[22:50] for that change in zoning or that change in lines, but the board is already approved that, so

[22:57] don't bother, so don't bother phrase. Another one is, well, you can ask for that, but we're running

[23:04] up a deadline to get it done by the end of the year, and we don't have enough time for that, so don't bother.

[23:11] Yesterday at the special meeting that we're called, focusing on the local area planned,

[23:18] Another version of that came to light, the director had pointed out that we're going to have

[23:25] to have a new draft, again, if it's just on the word new, as a work on conclusion.

[23:32] But she also kept telling the community that if you tried to put something in new, it's

[23:38] going to cost money, and the county doesn't have any money.

[23:41] So, that's a no-bother statement. She did that a couple times. She even said the NER requires a stable plan.

[23:53] It does. So, if you try to do anything new, we're going to have to redo and start the EIR over.

[24:00] So, again, don't bother. This happened enough times that the board member,

[24:06] At least the benefit of the data is pointed out that you have made the commitment not to approve a plan unless it met the needs of the community.

[24:16] The director doubled down and kept saying the same thing over and over and over.

[24:21] I pointed out that this benefit of the data is correct to please if you have concerns and want changes to make them known and director turned a quadruple down.

[24:33] This keeps happening, and this is not an alignment with your commitment to the community, it's not an alignment with commitment to the citizens of the county, and to have an EIR based on a drought that hasn't been approved, this is problematic.

[24:47] Thank you.

[24:51] Next in the room.

[25:01] Good morning, Mr. Chair and supervisors, Margo Kumbara, General Plan Advisory Committee, representative, speaking for myself.

[25:10] Local area plan advisory committees and municipal area councils, and community members have informed your board that the general plan and the local area plans are off track.

[25:21] When your board continued the Community Development Department CDD agenda item last week on extending the schedule for the general plan and local area plans to October 6,

[25:35] that stopped discussion and course correction for the general plans and the local area plans.

[25:40] More meetings as CDD proposals and edits to the drafts will not fix a general plan in the

[25:48] local area plans. General Plan Advisory Committee chaired Denise Rushing and other G-PAC members

[25:54] and municipal area council members have identified structural issues with a general plan in the local area plans.

[26:03] These issues will not be fixed with a few edits.

[26:06] The General Plan is an important document, steering development for unincorporated Lake County

[26:12] for the next 20 years.

[26:14] It must be done properly, and to the community satisfaction as Chair Rasmussen and Vice Chair

[26:20] Paiska told the Big Valley Advisory Committee this month to complete the General Plan

[26:26] properly may take more than six months as CDD plans.

[26:30] At last night's special Western Region Town Hall meeting, CDD Director Turner told attendees that whether new comments are included in the drafts depends on funding.

[26:43] The exclusion of public comments is part of the community's dissatisfaction with the current General Plan and Local Area Plan drafts.

[26:52] CDD's next round of meetings may be more focused on explaining why comments were not included

[26:58] than including points important to the community in the final drafts.

[27:04] As for a path to finishing the general plan and conserving funds, one of my general plan

[27:10] advisory committee colleagues, suggested to your board, focus on updating chapters of the

[27:21] as a separate project. Local area plans do not have statutory deadline for updates. More meetings,

[27:28] more public input, a loan will not fix a general plan in the local area plans. Addiquit,

[27:35] adequately addressing public comment received is a key issue. Addressing the shortcomings of the

[27:42] draft is another key issue. Your direction on the general plan is needed. Thank you.

[27:51] Do we have anyone else in the room not seeing anyone else I'm going to close public comment and move on to our

[28:02] 9 o'clock 3 item at pet of the week

[28:12] good morning

[28:14] I'm off to apply with the like county animal control

[28:17] Today we have Zina with us

[28:21] She's about two years old

[28:24] We have her down as

[28:27] Shepherd mix

[28:29] She's very cutely, not a lot of energy, and she's ready to go to a good home, if anybody

[28:37] is interested. We've had her for about a month and a half at our shelter, and she's ready

[28:43] for her new home.

[28:46] So, if anybody is interested, please come on down to our shelter, look at it

[28:51] at 4949 Helbers Drive and Lakeport. I also wanted to remind everybody that tomorrow, Wednesday,

[28:58] September 2nd. We will be having a vaccine clinic. So if you need to get your dogs or cats up

[29:04] today on rabies or any other vaccines that we might offer like the DAPP, we also offer

[29:11] microchips, heart-wind test and heart-wind preventives. Again, that's tomorrow. September 2nd. It's

[29:18] going to be from 9 in the morning until 11 in the morning. Thank you guys. Have a nice day. Thank you.

[29:25] Thank you for coming in today.

[29:29] I'm ready to do.

[29:31] I have a good day.

[29:36] We're going to move on to our 6.3, 910 item,

[29:42] setting as the Lake County Housing Commission,

[29:45] consideration of first amendment to the contract between County of Lake.

[29:49] Lake County Housing Commission and Management reports incorporated

[29:55] or at least a program management software in the amount of twenty-seven.

[30:00] 1,000 dollars for the period of October 1, 20, 26, through September 30, 20, 27, and authorize the Lake County Housing Commission chair to sign, and I'll turn it over to our social service director, Rachel Delmond Parsons. And I believe you said there, you know to fight me, there's something that needs to be updated. You can cover that.

[30:28] Can we hear me?

[30:32] So there is a correction regarding the sign-up and document was inadvertently emitted from the packet.

[30:38] This is a prior contract simply for historical context.

[30:44] It was approved and executed by the Commission on November 7th of 2024.

[30:49] It reflects an initial set of the of 750 in an annual cost of 500.

[30:55] I did send a digital copy to everybody setting up here.

[31:00] I have hard copies of anyone would like one.

[31:10] Thank you.

[31:29] So regarding the contract before the commission for execution,

[31:32] the additional annual cost allowances intended to ensure

[31:35] the funding is set aside for potential closed-out activities

[31:39] associated with eventual dissolution of the PHA.

[31:45] At this time, the specific scope and timing of the services

[31:48] not yet known. As your board is aware, sorry, as your commission is aware, the transition to

[31:55] the regional housing authority is currently on hold as the city of Calusa has not approved

[32:01] our participation in the joint powers authority. And the interim staff are working to establish

[32:08] a contract with the regional housing authority to provide services substantially similar to those currently

[32:15] provided via a GPA agreement until such time as we are able to join the GPA.

[32:24] So the admitted document, I already said I sent it to you.

[32:28] Okay, so I am hoping we can move forward with this item today, and that is all the comments

[32:34] I had.

[32:35] Thank you.

[32:36] Do any commissioners have questions?

[32:41] Just a question, because you're asking for a maximum not to exceed 27,000, which is not a huge number, but I can't figure out how we got to 27,000.

[32:51] I see there's one document for 750, one document for 500, and I think the original started at like $12,000 per year.

[32:59] If I remember correctly, I don't have it right in front of me. Still trying to figure out, where's the 27,000 coming from if it's just for one year?

[33:06] It is what I would say that the 12 was per year and I believe it is what they have quoted us for the continuation of services for one year.

[33:17] We typically do a three year contract with them.

[33:21] But because of our transition hopefully to your regional and we asked them for a one year contract term and this is the quote that came back with for us.

[33:32] They were at least willing to contract for a year instead of three years, which would have locked us into more expenses.

[33:46] Again, $27,000 is not a whole lot.

[33:49] I just don't know that I'm understanding, like I don't have a, here's how we got to that amount rather than that's just what they're telling us.

[33:57] But I don't see that in the amendment whatsoever that that's what they're telling us.

[34:01] So, if you'd like to, I'd like to have me hold the item.

[34:04] No, I'm ready to move forward. I just I again in the agreement that we're approving it speaks nothing to dollar signs it just says a one year agreement

[34:16] And if we're saying $27,000, I guess I'd like to maybe have a follow-up to better understand what are the costs because nothing that I'm seeing adds up to that amount

[34:25] But it's a maximum not to exceed so it could be the 12,000 plus the 750 plus the 500 and so because of the

[34:33] over all them out, but I just think it's important to, if it's not clear to me, it's

[34:39] definitely not clear to the public, and if we could be as clear as possible that would

[34:42] be great.

[34:43] So I'd love to get more information, but I'm not going to stop this today.

[34:46] Sure.

[34:46] Yeah, I'm sorry my fiscal deputy is on vacation, and she would have them details regarding that.

[34:52] So I can follow up in the future with her.

[34:54] Thank you.

[34:55] Any other questions from commissioners?

[34:58] Not seeing any all-opening.

[35:00] Right up to the public, do we have anybody in the room? Not seeing anybody online either. So I'll close public comment, bring it back to the commission for action.

[35:12] Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the first amendment to the contract between the county of Lake Lake County Housing Commission and Management Records Incorporated for Lindsey Program Management Software in the amount of $27,000.

[35:25] for the period of October 1st, 2026 to September 30th, 2027, and authorized the LCHC Chair to sign.

[35:36] I have a motion in a second all in favor.

[35:38] Aye.

[35:39] Aye.

[35:39] Opposed.

[35:40] That carries 50.

[35:41] Thank you.

[35:42] Thank you.

[35:45] Next.

[35:46] Thank you.

[35:47] We're going to move on to our 930.

[35:50] 6.4 items sitting as the Lake County Board of Supervisors consideration of the amended

[35:57] clear Lake Watershed and Chai Memorandum of Understanding Co-Management Agreement, adding

[36:04] co-ination of Northern California, updating the signature page and authorize the County Administrative

[36:11] Officer to sign and be setting concurrently as the Watershed Protection District Board of Directors

[36:20] consideration of the amended clear lake watershed and chai memorandum of

[36:25] understanding, co-management agreement, adding co-ination of Northern

[36:30] California, updating the signature page and authorize the water

[36:34] resources director to sign.

[36:36] I need to make a comment here on both of these after I had

[36:41] discussions with supervisor Crandell a few weeks ago, subsequent

[36:45] to our initial approval of this, I had made a request that this be changed for the Board to

[36:53] consider directing and authorizing the chair of the Board of Supervisors to sign both of these

[37:00] documents under the both as the county and the watershed protection district. I believe that

[37:10] was updated in the document itself, but the title didn't get updated in my reason for doing

[37:18] that was not to be a contact or anything, but in Supervisor Crannell, I felt that it

[37:27] was more appropriate, that with the tribal chairs being the signers, it should be equal

[37:34] that the chair of our elected board would also be a signer and to us that was more appropriate

[37:44] in having this agreement with the Tribes and that's why that request was made.

[37:50] And I'll turn it over to you at this point.

[37:54] Thank you.

[37:55] Terry Logson, Chief Climate Resilience, the Officer of the Police on.

[37:59] As you know, this document has been going through many iterations, and been working on

[38:06] led by Deputy Secretary of Tribal Affairs, Geneva Ibn Thompson, who's with CNRA.

[38:14] And so this morning, I received some suggested edits from a member of the public, which were

[38:23] mostly standardizing the area codes so that they had brackets around them.

[38:30] And I made those changes, so that's why I'm sharing the document.

[38:35] But there were already, I just spoke with the Ms. Thompson and she let me know that they're

[38:41] making all of the, you called, ministerial, administering, no standardizing the font size,

[38:47] doing the sentence, there's going to be an official document at the signing ceremony.

[38:54] So it won't say draft because this version says draft.

[38:59] So I would like to show you this.

[39:04] And when I added on page one, the state agencies didn't match the list in the appendix.

[39:15] that was from a member of the public this morning.

[39:19] So I added those in and they're blue and you can see how it changed the format.

[39:23] The site that this page two now just has one sentence on it.

[39:27] This will all be updated and then the highlights in yellow are the ones adding coordination

[39:37] and a couple other minor edits.

[39:43] So, on what I see as page 4, this is the one that was pointed out, the G is an in line with the rest of them, that will be moved over.

[40:01] On page 5, now which is one page number off from what was attached to the agenda. The parties agreed to work together on the, we added the word the following because that was missing.

[40:17] The highlight in yellow is a suggested addition. And then a number of besides the 707 phone are the phone numbers around the area code.

[40:28] I standardized, because the member of the public mentioned, under B, where it says Annual

[40:35] Informal Work Plan, through some and then in parentheses in that, in the first sentence,

[40:43] Annual Work Plan is supposed to be used throughout the rest of the document.

[40:48] And so I standardized that by removing where it had informal throughout the rest of the document.

[40:58] So informal was removed?

[40:59] Well, it's, yes, the way that they had it is annual informal work plan is the official title

[41:06] and then annual work plan used throughout the document and then there were different places in the document

[41:12] that still had the word informal.

[41:18] This one, non-trival parties.

[41:23] I added a poster feature show possession that was suggested by the member of the public.

[41:28] That's the only change to that.

[41:31] This section V six or seven N. Again, that will be I mentioned that again to deputy secretary Thompson and she said it would be corrected, but I'm just highlighting that that will be corrected so that it

[41:47] Makes sense

[41:49] The yellow is the signature for coordination of Northern California. That was added.

[41:57] They changed the name of who was the signer for CCC or the or the Cs and we changed the name of the signatory for the county of Lake and the chair of the Lake County Watership Protection District.

[42:13] And participating governments again, we added coordination in there

[42:23] and then you'll see all of the added brackets around the area code.

[42:29] which we're going to be done anyway. I just did it this morning. Since I knew I would be

[42:35] showing this document.

[42:40] The changes under Coination, all of that was added.

[42:52] Again,

[42:54] a area code and then over here. Instead of saying the Secretary of Environmental Protection

[43:02] acts of behalf, we changed it to on behalf. Again another area code,

[43:19] the California Water Resources

[43:20] Control Board changed the title of the person, the executive director, not the chief deputy

[43:27] director,

[43:36] the area code standardization. DTSC, the Department of Toxic Substances and Substances

[43:42] control added those three bullet points since the last edition.

[43:54] Over here we, they left out

[43:56] the word hit. It's just said clear lake task force. So this morning added hit.

[44:05] And then again,

[44:07] changed back to the contact which makes sense. The primary point of contact for the agreement for the

[44:15] county of lake is the county administrative officer Susan Parker and the point of contact for the lake

[44:21] the county watershed protection district is the director, Pohan, Yupati A. And again, I put

[44:28] the brackets around the area code. Same for both cities,

[44:39] and then these are all just

[44:42] taking out the word informal,

[44:47] which would, again, which would have been done by CNRA.

[44:56] And

[44:56] those are the changes.

[44:59] Thank you.

[45:00] Do we have any questions from board members at this point? I go ahead and surprise your spot here.

[45:05] Yeah, you had mentioned some changes and I'm glad to see the rest of the changes as well. I think it makes perfect sense that we authorize our chair to sign.

[45:13] That's typically what we do on agreements. And I think it makes perfect sense of changes that I saw as well that our directors of specific departments be the point person for contact.

[45:25] And so I think that everything that I've wanted to discuss and had discussions with Ms.

[45:31] Logsden has been accomplished and looking forward to approving this today.

[45:36] Any other questions from board members?

[45:39] I'll open it up to the public to be everybody in the room that wishes to comment on this.

[45:44] Not seeing any in the room.

[45:45] Do we have anyone online?

[45:49] Kate?

[45:50] Kate, go ahead.

[45:51] If you could state your full name, you'll have three minutes.

[45:55] My name is Kate Schmidt-Hopper, and I am not speaking on behalf of any organization, and only as a private citizen.

[46:05] Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I am so excited about this MoU.

[46:10] I am so grateful that it sounds like that this will be signed,

[46:19] this will be resolution,

[46:20] And I just am so thankful that our county is so forward thinking that we have one of the very first

[46:30] MOUs of this kind with our local tribal leaders and governments, and I'm really proud to be a lake county in today. Thank you.

[46:40] Thank you, Kate. Do we have anyone else?

[46:44] Then our close public comment and bring it back to the board for action.

[46:50] Mr. Chair, sitting as the Lake County Board of Supervisors, I move to approve the amended

[46:55] Clear Lake Watershed and Chai Memorandum of Understanding Co-management Agreement

[46:59] adding co-ination of Northern California, updating the signature page and authorized

[47:04] the Chair to sign as amended as shown to us thoroughly by Ms. Lodgeman.

[47:10] second. I have a motion in a second all in favor. I. I opposed. Yeah. Okay. That carries three.

[47:18] I'm sorry. Yeah. Three one. Go ahead.

[47:24] Sitting as the watershed protection district, the Board of Directors. I moved to approve the

[47:28] amended clear lake watershed and shy memorandum of understanding co-management agreement at

[47:32] incoignation of Northern California updating the signature page and authorized the chair to sign

[47:36] as amended as thoroughly example exemplified on our projector screen.

[47:42] Second. I have a motion in a second all in favor. I opposed. Okay, that carries 3-1.

[47:50] Thank you for that. That concludes that item. We are going to move on to our 6.5 item, 945 item,

[48:01] It's not 945.

[48:03] I've got like 30.

[48:04] I'm going to have to give it 30 seconds.

[48:07] So we'll be in a short pause.

[48:33] So I'll go ahead and call the 6.5-945 item,

[48:39] consideration of a letter of commitment,

[48:42] for the Habemental El Pomo of Upper Lakes Grant application,

[48:46] for a community resilience center program around two,

[48:50] implementation grant application.

[48:52] This is brought to us by our Administrative Office in our Deputy CAO Logsten to be handled in this item as well, and I'll turn it over to you.

[49:02] Thank you.

[49:03] Thank you, Chair.

[49:04] Terry Logsten, Chief Climate Resilience, the Officer and Tribal Liaison, and I am happy today to bring to you for your consideration, a letter of commitment.

[49:12] The Hematopomal of Upper Lake is submitting a collaborative grant application to this California's

[49:18] Strategic Growth Council for their Community Resilience Center implementation round to grant program.

[49:24] That will leverage funding.

[49:26] They received from Congressman Mike Thompson who successfully championed a 3.15 million-hud community project funding award

[49:33] to support construction of a tribal community center for Hematopomal.

[49:37] I'm going to share a copy of the letter since the agenda was posted.

[49:42] I added some suggestions from Supervisor Sabatee, let's see, because we initially had written

[49:52] the draft letter as a letter of support and have changed during the process and so it is

[49:59] a letter of commitment.

[50:00] Amendment, but I neglected to put what we were committing to. And so what we're committing to is on the second page, which is in the grant proposal, H.P.U.L. or

[50:13] Habermittal Pomol of Upper Lake, will lead an effort to engage their tribal communities in the amenities of this facility during what we call

[50:29] lead the effort, if engaging, a Bemental, almost community in the tribal community throughout

[50:36] the county or just an upper lake. That is their choice. But what I will do is for the

[50:42] county of Lake, we'll lead general public engagement with the adjacent municipal advisory

[50:48] counties and town halls for all members of the Board of Supervisors. So probably Scotts Valley,

[50:54] worth, and the Lucerne area, is that her? No.

[51:00] Sir, sir.

[51:02] Sir, so the area is around there.

[51:05] As you know, what I added on the first page that

[51:10] came at the suggestion at the last minute from the SGC,

[51:14] strategic growth council, their question was,

[51:17] would our OES and sheriff's department feel comfortable

[51:21] working or standing a helping to stand up in a evacuation site on tribal

[51:26] trust lands. And I said, oh, yes, we already do that at Middletown

[51:30] Branchory in the Twin Pine Events Center. And so the thought of having, so I

[51:36] added that information in there and I will get this amended letter to the clerk

[51:43] to post with the agenda shortly after this meeting. If it's approved. And so my

[51:49] time the intent is that we're still writing the grant and the intent is to put my time covering

[51:57] to do the outreach with the general public in the grant application.

[52:02] Thank you.

[52:03] I go ahead and see the president's advice to you.

[52:05] Appreciate all the additions.

[52:06] Appreciate the conversation and ready to approve this.

[52:13] Go ahead and see the president.

[52:14] I had read something in there where it would also be open to public.

[52:20] it wouldn't just be okay. Yes, correct. When it's a cooling center, warming center,

[52:27] um, when there's, uh, we need up space for clean air days, because maybe we're being

[52:32] inundated by smoke from somewhere else, or in evacuation shelter, it will be open to the general

[52:36] public. Otherwise, closed. That's not the discretion of the tribe, but they haven't, I don't think.

[52:43] And, uh, Mr. Fulson is here from Huben, Metallol. He may be, you know, where I wasn't on the meetings

[52:49] last week. The grant is due September 24th.

[52:56] Any other superiors or questions? I'd

[52:59] see any. I'll go ahead and open it to the public. We have Mr. Folsom here.

[53:08] Good morning,

[53:08] Board. My name is Greg Folsom. I'm the facilities and lands administrator for the HPUL

[53:13] Habemmedil of Upper Lake Tribe. Appreciate you guys considering this. We really do appreciate

[53:19] the partnership we have with the county. Terry actually brought this grant opportunity to

[53:23] months ago and so we've been looking at it for a while. As you know we had received about a

[53:30] $3 million grant from Congressman Thompson to do a community center. It was going to be

[53:35] basically a community center similar to our tribal hall in Upper Lake but you know with updated

[53:40] with more amenities. If we were able to get this grant, this is an implementation grant. This will

[53:46] help us to put in things like a commercial kitchen, advanced filtration systems in the HBC, just

[53:52] you know, so with their spires that people can still breathe and do other types of upgraded

[53:57] things so that it can be both a cooling and heating shelter for the whole community our

[54:02] leadership said yes we want this to be an amenity for the community not just for our own tribe.

[54:07] So that's the plan and that's we absolutely appreciate your support and hope that we can get that from you

[54:14] today. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Posen. Anyone else in the room? I'm not seeing anyone online

[54:20] And I'll bring it back close, put the comment, bring it back to the board for action.

[54:25] Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the letter of commitment for the Habemitolo Poma of

[54:30] Upper Lakes Grant Application for Community Resilience Center Program around to implementation.

[54:36] Grant Application and Authorize the Characters Line.

[54:38] Mr. Chair.

[54:39] Mr. Chair.

[54:40] I may.

[54:40] Yes.

[54:41] Go ahead.

[54:41] Can we as amended because I think there were amendments.

[54:44] As amended.

[54:45] Still second.

[54:46] Okay.

[54:47] I have a motion in a second.

[54:49] All in favor.

[54:51] I opposed hearing none that carries 4-0. Thank you and it's not 10 a.m. for our 6.6. I think we're going to jump.

[55:00] Back to 5.4, unless you have any other suggestions, when to go ahead and read out 5.4.

[55:10] This is an addendum. It's approved the letter requesting Governor Newsom Vito AB 2494, and authorized the chair to sign.

[55:21] this was sponsored by myself and Vice Chair Pyskay and do you want to make any comments

[55:28] at this evening or just okay. All right so we have the item introduced and I

[55:34] know there were some questions so I'll turn it over to Supervisor Syvaya. If you

[55:38] would like I can start off with just I guess my questions and my concerns. One I

[55:45] hope that in the future I think this is the very first time I've ever seen us

[55:49] asking our governor to veto, I think that should require a higher threshold than just a

[55:54] consent agenda, I think, especially when we have our state representatives who have voted

[55:59] for this bill, and so to go against them and to ask the governor to veto is kind of a first

[56:05] in my book, and I think it requires a discussion with a level of understanding. I don't

[56:10] have a great level of understanding other than the research that I've done and the conversations

[56:14] that I've had, and what I see is the bill is changing a certain section, and I don't have

[56:22] the code right in front of me, but it's changing a certain section of the public resource code

[56:29] that before did not delineate specifically the DSF, the designated state forest, or the demonstration

[56:41] state forest. What it says in there I think it's under letter G where it finally now does state

[56:47] specifically the demonstration state forest that it will be supple, it's at a lower priority,

[56:54] which I think is potentially part of the reason that there's pushback because it's such a low

[56:58] priority, but it's at a lower priority for supplemental funding and then it guides back to another place

[57:06] public resource code where that funding originates from. So the questions that I've had are,

[57:12] are we still getting the same level of funding? Is there really a limitation on what can be done

[57:18] because this code is separate from the other code. So I'm not understanding if we're losing or gaining

[57:25] and I know there's some concern with the carbon sequestration or the terminology. But I guess what I

[57:32] issues with is I'm not seeing the language nor was it identified for me in the memo to say here's

[57:39] what we're losing and here's what we're gaining but on the other side we're also pushing back

[57:45] against our state representatives and asking our governor to veto something that what's the

[57:51] gain of winning this what's the loss of losing this and I just think it's going to get signed anyways

[57:58] is because it looks to me the vote was based on party lines.

[58:03] So I could be wrong.

[58:04] There's times where our legislators and our governor are not

[58:08] exactly in a lockstep, but I guess I just need some

[58:14] better understanding of, and now we put it in a letter

[58:17] saying we oppose and less amended.

[58:19] It was amended just not to the level of our liking,

[58:23] but this is another level of letter of support.

[58:27] Our letter asking for a veto that I just think requires

[58:30] more conversation and I'd love to better understand and I'm open to any information that

[58:34] you can provide to help me better understand.

[58:36] All right, I'll start with Vice Chair.

[58:38] Well I'll respond but I do want to invite both Matthew and Dr. Jones up to speak on it too as our

[58:45] experts.

[58:48] Mr. Ross, can you come up as well?

[58:52] So we did have this letter to support if amended and none of the amendments that we really asked for

[59:00] were taken seriously, Dr. Jones and Matthew and I had several conversations with the author's

[59:07] office and to say that they were dismissive of our request as being generous. And I've had

[59:15] multiple conversations with Senator McGuire's capital staff. They understand our position.

[59:22] I let them know on Friday before it was posted. They understand our position. This is not a

[59:29] this was part of a package to be pushed through in a partisan way.

[59:34] Unfortunately, probably if it was a standalone, it would not have passed.

[59:39] So, that's the reason why I am asking for this along with many of our colleagues

[59:45] up in down the state. This is a particularly bad bill for box demonstration

[59:50] and it is very clear after many many conversations that this bill is specifically targeted to specific issues.

[1:00:00] That Jackson for us and does not consider the rest of the demonstration for us up and down the stage, so I'll pass over to our experts here.

[1:00:09] Dr. Jen, she went off.

[1:00:11] Thank you. Good morning, Chair.

[1:00:12] Rest in the Senate Board.

[1:00:14] Michael Jones, here as your county forester and just representing my capacity as an academic and researcher and a professional forester.

[1:00:21] So to answer directly your question, remember, Sabadyea, the way the Demonstration State Forest

[1:00:30] are currently funded is through timber operation, so they're completely self-sufficient

[1:00:34] all the money that all the forest, 14 of them across the state operate is generating through

[1:00:40] timber managed on state forest lands.

[1:00:43] That's funded through, it's called Frith, the Forest Resource Improvement Fund, so the money

[1:00:47] generated goes in that fund and that's directly how the forest operate.

[1:00:52] The bill would change that to suggest that Friff still is still exist.

[1:01:00] It's still where income generated off the forest goes, but there's a supplemental pathway

[1:01:04] through to another fund called Turfer or the Timber Regulation Forest Restoration Fund,

[1:01:11] which is that's income generated through taxes.

[1:01:14] So, and that fund is what's used to fund all the agencies that have oversight on timber management, timber regulation.

[1:01:21] So, fish and wildlife, the Department of Geological Services, those agencies all get funded to do their oversight of timber,

[1:01:29] of forest practice rules in timber regulation and state. So it creates a pathway to use those funds to then support the demonstration state forest.

[1:01:36] I think because the bill's intention is to shift the mission of the demonstration

[1:01:43] to set it for us away from sustainable timber management demonstration research, they've created

[1:01:46] this pathway as a way to supplement that loss revenue that would be lost because of a reduction

[1:01:52] in timber operations.

[1:01:55] I'm not sure how that would work.

[1:01:57] It doesn't seem very appropriate because turf for is specifically designed to fund and ensure

[1:02:03] proper oversight and regulation of forest operations, whereas Frith is to help support the mission of the demonstration site forest,

[1:02:11] so it seems like maybe an interesting and not necessarily sensible use of those funds.

[1:02:17] Especially when the system is already self-sufficient. Why would you take a completely independent operating forest

[1:02:23] the demonstration state forest system and make it reliant on tax income or other other

[1:02:29] funds. And the Senate appropriations, their staff analysis made the same kind of conclusions

[1:02:38] that this could be a significant financial impact to the state, because that loss of self-sufficient

[1:02:43] funds off the demonstration state forest. And so even though you use the word supplemental,

[1:02:49] It's not the word, because you're using that word, because that word is in the code.

[1:02:55] It's not supplemental, because supplemental are you supplanting or adding?

[1:03:01] Is that the word, what is it intended to confuse?

[1:03:06] And it's just not adding.

[1:03:09] I think it would, I don't know, I don't want to speculate.

[1:03:13] I'm not really sure why they added that.

[1:03:15] I think it seems like it's potentially a pathway

[1:03:21] to replace the reliance on timber operations

[1:03:23] as kind of the way the bill is written.

[1:03:31] Did you have anything further?

[1:03:34] So the one thing that I'll add, Matthew Roth,

[1:03:37] 192 Deputy County Administrative Officer,

[1:03:39] is there were steps that were set in motion

[1:03:42] as we looked to recover from the Valley Fire.

[1:03:46] The forest was replanted, it was highly successful.

[1:03:48] There is going to be a need to engage in active timber management practices in order to follow through on that thread that was started more than 10 years ago.

[1:03:59] Additionally, research was initiated that will have benefits statewide.

[1:04:03] And what we're hearing from our forestry professionals is that the probability that that research can be successfully completed and conducted is diminished if this bill passes as written.

[1:04:15] So, we do have concern that the best possible approach can be taken with bugs for specifically.

[1:04:22] That's our core concern given that is our state administration forest in Lake County.

[1:04:28] And also more broadly, the governor's office has invested heavily and state wide agencies have invested heavily.

[1:04:34] With the wildfire and forest resilience task force, and our supervisor PISCA has been a huge part of that effort.

[1:04:39] The way that this bill is framed, the documents produced by that task force, are listed

[1:04:44] as one of the sources of priority, as opposed to having differential priority as a result

[1:04:50] of the investments that were made.

[1:04:53] So those are the core concerns that I think still remain in addition to those points raised

[1:04:56] by Dr. Jones and Dr. Jones really appreciate you being here this morning.

[1:05:01] Thank you. Any further questions? Supervisors by TA?

[1:05:05] And I guess I'll just read for both myself, everybody in the public, where letter G, which is basically

[1:05:12] A through I, I think it is, or is it through J, A through J, each specific letter is

[1:05:19] is prioritized, like A through C, D through F, and then G is the third priority level and that's

[1:05:26] the state demonstration force or the demonstration state forest belong. And what it says is

[1:05:32] to support demonstration state forest as a supplemental source if necessary to the money is

[1:05:39] provided by the forest resources improvement fund as established pursuant to section 4799.13.

[1:05:47] And what I don't see in the rest is any changes to 4799.13. And so I guess I'm just

[1:05:55] I appreciate the information, and I feel like I'm getting, I mean, no fence to anybody.

[1:06:03] I'm getting a lot of words, but I'm not getting a lot of here's the code and here's

[1:06:07] how it works, and this is what it does, and I just think we need to be cautious in

[1:06:18] these types

[1:06:19] of action.

[1:06:20] So, and I know that RCRC is requesting that, but I also don't always agree with RCRC either.

[1:06:27] RCRC Farm Bureau, many counties, Timber Harvest, and Timber Management is a really important part of Forest Health.

[1:06:37] This is an argument that kind of takes us back decades.

[1:06:43] The original intent is to limit Timber Harvest and Pen Boggs Forest for the Forest Management,

[1:06:50] for the safety of the communities around the forest.

[1:06:52] We need to make sure that not only we can continue to do that, but also the research that's happening that's studied.

[1:07:00] Recovery after catastrophic fires needs to continue.

[1:07:04] It's one of the only forests that virtually all burned.

[1:07:07] And there's an incredible amount of research on soil and watershed recovery and forest recovery that we really need to protect.

[1:07:16] around the state there's about 80,000 acres only of demonstration forests.

[1:07:22] That is a tiny amount to do the type of research that's required for us to learn more and to continue to evolve.

[1:07:31] What I've asked for all along is that we align all of this work with the strategy of the task force

[1:07:39] rather than has it have it as an option because those strategies will continue to evolve as we learn more.

[1:07:48] any other supervisor questions?

[1:07:51] Well, I'll just say, you know, I'm in support of asking for the government of Edo

[1:07:56] it.

[1:07:56] I mean, I think there's a lot of complexities, but this whole thing started in relation

[1:08:02] to one for us, and I think that, you know, there's differences, particularly in our forest

[1:08:09] and bogs, which is unique.

[1:08:12] It's the only one that's pretty much the whole forest burns, so there's a lot of different

[1:08:16] issues and I would just rather see this bill worked on more and make sure that everything

[1:08:24] that we might be concerned about staying care, so that's where I fall.

[1:08:29] It doesn't sound like we have any more from the board.

[1:08:32] I'll open it to the public, is there anyone in the public that wishes to comment on this

[1:08:36] item?

[1:08:40] I've got a lot of experience in this field, and while to the supervisors, one of the supervisors,

[1:08:52] alluding to maybe some political capital that may be suffered with approving this veto,

[1:08:59] I think it'll still send a good message to the governor about how we feel about this,

[1:09:04] And pulling those demonstration forest out would have been a key piece of this and that didn't happen.

[1:09:14] So I think sending the message to the governor that we're no happier about this is really really powerful and a good message.

[1:09:20] Thank you. Anyone else in the room?

[1:09:24] I wish it's a speak.

[1:09:26] I'll go online. Do we have anyone online?

[1:09:29] Okay.

[1:09:29] Hello,

[1:09:32] again, yes. Thank you supervisors for allowing me to speak. I appreciate the fact that this letter was brought forward.

[1:09:41] Sometimes a nonpartisan groups such as our Board of Supervisors of Lake County needs to make what might seem to be a politically uncertain action in order to protect our county and our lands.

[1:09:58] And so I appreciate...

[1:10:08] Thank you.

[1:10:18] Mr.

[1:10:27] Chair, I move that we approve the letter requesting Governor

[1:10:29] Are you some Vito AB 2494 and authorized the chair to sign?

[1:10:36] Then I'll go ahead and second.

[1:10:39] So I have a motion in a second, all in favor.

[1:10:42] I opposed?

[1:10:43] No.

[1:10:44] Okay, that carries three one.

[1:10:47] Thank you.

[1:10:49] Thank you for coming.

[1:10:50] Thank you for coming.

[1:10:51] Thank you for coming.

[1:10:51] Good to see you.

[1:10:51] And we're at 10-10, but I need to take a short five-minute break before we move on to our

[1:10:58] 10-A.

[1:10:58] I'm item.

[1:11:00] Yeah, you're welcome.

[1:11:01] Okay.

[1:18:05] I'm going to call our meeting back to order, and we're going to move on to our 10 AM 6.6 item. We will

[1:18:13] be setting as the Lake County Watershed Protection District Board of Directors. And this is

[1:18:19] consideration of a presentation regarding proposed fee increases for Quarga Muscle Prevention

[1:18:24] program stickers and draft special event Lake Access Permit and consider approval the result revised

[1:18:33] proposed fee schedule. This is brought to us by our Watershed Protection District staff and at this point I'll turn it over to Director Apadiay.

[1:18:46] Good morning, Board. It's a very important party at Lake County Water Institute said director.

[1:18:53] Good morning, Board. Good morning, Board.

[1:18:55] Good morning, Board. My name is Thomas Fardig, a aquatic invasive species program coordinator.

[1:19:02] Good morning, Board.

[1:19:03] My name is Aspankhara. I'm Lake County Water Resources Field Technician. I'm out here and I work with Thama's closely for our invasive species program.

[1:19:11] Thank you. Yeah, so a brief introduction to this item. Like a previously we came to the board to ask for some funding to be provided.

[1:19:22] early in the season like in our budget session that was in June and that was the direction

[1:19:28] given to us by the board saying we need to do this our background work here and come back

[1:19:35] to the board about bringing the program to more a better financial status which is basically

[1:19:41] because this program historically has been grand dependent and even though there is summary

[1:19:47] any which used to come from the sticker sale, but it was fairly minimal compared to like

[1:19:52] what the program cost has been. And considering like how much the cost has gone up in last

[1:19:58] 5 years this program was

[1:20:02] And just in the year, like when we didn't receive any grant, we were in a situation like where we

[1:20:10] won't be able to run the program. I think that that's which has necessited it increase in the

[1:20:16] sticker price, because that's kind of our revenue to run this program. And also, as is was directed by the

[1:20:29] additional support, which might be available to us.

[1:20:34] And I think prevention is like one of the best

[1:20:37] measures to control this guagain zebra muscle program.

[1:20:41] And I think this program is mainly focuses on the prevention.

[1:20:47] So I think our next I will give it to Thomas and he can give the presentation and

[1:20:53] dive deep into that.

[1:20:54] And then if there is any further question, we can answer that after the presentation.

[1:20:58] or during the presentation as well.

[1:21:17] All right.

[1:21:18] Good morning, everyone.

[1:21:19] Good morning, board.

[1:21:20] Good morning.

[1:21:23] To start off, I just want to go over our presentation here.

[1:21:31] So what we are requesting is a proposed sticker increase and the adoption of a special

[1:21:39] lake fee event or event fee.

[1:21:42] So, the board has previously directed the staff to pursue a financially sustainable

[1:21:49] quagga muscle prevention program.

[1:21:53] Program has been set earlier, is heavily grant funded.

[1:22:00] Grant funding is not guaranteed.

[1:22:04] So, we are seeking approval for fee adjustments to support the long-term program sustainability.

[1:22:11] So the species of muscles were most concerned about. It's not just quagga. We also got zebra.

[1:22:20] We got ax head muscles. The new muscle that has been popping up most recently is the golden muscle.

[1:22:28] In 2025, it has continued to spread throughout the delta and continues to spread north.

[1:22:36] and they continue to do so.

[1:22:40] There are unintentionally moved between water bodies by hitchhacking

[1:22:47] on watercraft and equipment.

[1:22:51] So individuals that watercraft owners are inadvertently

[1:22:56] bringing these muscles to different water bodies,

[1:22:59] not on purpose, but just because of the fact that they have the

[1:23:05] and hitchhiking any wet environment and move into different water bodies.

[1:23:11] Both adult muscles and the larval stage, which is known as bellagers, can be moved between water bodies

[1:23:19] and some of the worst are the bellagers, because you can't see them without a microscope.

[1:23:25] If there is a cup of water in a boat that was an infected water body,

[1:23:31] and it comes into a non-affected, you have the potential for infection in that other water

[1:23:39] body. It only takes a few valengers to be able to start a new population. They are asexual

[1:23:47] as well, so they can reproduce with just one or two. They don't need a bunch of them to

[1:23:55] go through their life cycle.

[1:24:00] Clear Lake supports tourism, recreation, agriculture, drinking

[1:24:03] water systems. We have a very dynamic lake. Approximately 66% of Lake County residents

[1:24:11] rely on clear lake for drinking water. This is one of our biggest concerns for our

[1:24:19] invasive species muscle program. We are worried about residents that live on the lake and their

[1:24:27] infrastructure. That is a large concern for us. Invasive muscles thread in infrastructure, private property

[1:24:36] docks, fisheries, and public access. And once they're established, invasive muscles are extremely

[1:24:46] difficult and expensive to remove. The saying I always like is one ounce of prevention

[1:24:53] is worth a pound of cure. Once we get them, it's going to cost a lot more money to get rid.

[1:25:00] If it's even feasible.

[1:25:06] What are our risks for our economy? Well, reduce voting and fishing activity, which could hurt our tourism revenue.

[1:25:14] Agricultural irrigation systems could face expensive repairs and downtime and maintenance.

[1:25:22] increase cost to maintain water intake infrastructure for public and private water systems.

[1:25:32] And businesses tied to recreation and lake access may suffer economic losses as well,

[1:25:41] if the muscles do get into the lake.

[1:25:47] So, just to go through some of the threats, a little more in detail, muscles can clog intake pipes, pumps, irrigation systems, and treatment equipment.

[1:25:59] Infrastructure or an infestation and infrastructure can reduce water flow efficiency and increase maintenance cost over time.

[1:26:08] It may require expensive long-term chemical treatment, yearly chemical treatment to keep the muscles out of infrastructure and clogging infrastructure, or you may have to replace infrastructure.

[1:26:29] And the annual cost of mitigate invasive muscle damage can run into the millions of dollars.

[1:26:40] So here are some photos, we also brought a display for you.

[1:26:46] So these pieces of PVC pipe were dropped into Lake Mead, which is a muscle-infested lake.

[1:26:55] You can see the difference from zero, one, three, and six months.

[1:27:01] So, these muscles are very small when they die, they just grow on top of each other.

[1:27:06] And that's that clogging that we're concerned about.

[1:27:10] And they have a very rapid, quick spread, and they grow very fast,

[1:27:15] especially with the nutrients in clear lake.

[1:27:18] They have all the food and sunlight they need to grow as fast as they can.

[1:27:25] Threats of hybrid property, they can follow boat engines, causing damage and expensive repairs,

[1:27:33] especially for boaters that leave their boat in the water for two or three months, and don't use it often.

[1:27:41] They can encrust on boats, reducing flow efficiency and your boat performance.

[1:27:47] They can encrust on docks and private infrastructure, requiring expensive yearly maintenance to have someone out there scraping them off.

[1:27:58] And in the long grand scheme of things, they could potentially reduce the property values of lakeside properties if their docks are full of muscles.

[1:28:10] So, some examples you've got a propeller that has sat in a lake for way too long without

[1:28:18] being used on the top right is a side of a boat, and then the bottom center is part of

[1:28:28] a dock infrastructure, and that way is the docked down.

[1:28:33] You can't continue leaving it without eventually having to peel it off, otherwise it gets

[1:28:38] heavy and you may have issues with your docks, structural integrity.

[1:28:45] So, threats to public

[1:28:46] access. When invasive muscles die, their shells litter beaches and are extremely sharp.

[1:28:55] So, the beaches we have now are nice pebble. If we have a full infestation like the great lakes,

[1:29:01] you can't go on the beaches without wearing shoes. You will cut your feet.

[1:29:06] They must also die off also release toxins, which can decrease water quality and increase the cost of water treatment plants to treat the water.

[1:29:19] It also exacerbates the current water quality issues, lake county experiences with cyanotoxins.

[1:29:26] It's just one more to add onto that that we would be an issue for our swimmers and our tourism.

[1:29:37] It also smells very noxious.

[1:29:41] So, die-offs they release that noxious toxins,

[1:29:45] which volatile, volatilizes into the air and is released as noxious odor.

[1:29:51] That will exacerbate the smell of cyanobacteria and the lake already we're experiencing.

[1:30:01] So some examples, it's a little hard to see, but on the right, is quagamussels on a beach in Lake Michigan.

[1:30:11] On the left is a photo of our beach with nice pebble. We want to prevent what's on the right.

[1:30:17] We want people to be able to enjoy our beaches without having to worry about cutting their feet or walking barefoot on our Lake County beaches.

[1:30:30] So, another issue we are concerned about over time grant funding state and federal has slowly decreased.

[1:30:42] So, the graph I am showing you now is quagas zebra muscle infestation prevention program state funding.

[1:30:50] So this is one particular grants. As you can see, the amount of money funded has decreased over time.

[1:31:02] Also, the number of funded projects from a high of 2016, 19 funded projects to a low of 2025,

[1:31:17] where they only funded six projects, that's six different lakes. So we are fighting a competitive

[1:31:26] competition to get grants for other water bodies that have the same concerns. And that is

[1:31:33] the big key here. We will likely continue to get some sort of grant funding because of the status

[1:31:41] of our lake, but we have to think about other avenues just in case we don't.

[1:31:54] So the top table you see here is sticker revenue for the last five years.

[1:32:03] The blue top is vendor stickers, so that's the amount of stickers sold by our vendors.

[1:32:11] A five-year average of that is 11,187 stickers on average, is what we've sold the last five years.

[1:32:23] On the bottom is our rant monitor sticker sales.

[1:32:27] On a five-year average, we sell about 1,090 of those a year.

[1:32:41] Based off of these historical averages, the far left shows our current billing at $20.

[1:32:52] So we are totally bringing in for since we've had $20.

[1:32:57] $1,670, 1,600, 1,670, 225 dollars.

[1:33:12] If we increase that to a $60 fee increase, we'll be bringing in $624,730.

[1:33:25] If we decided to go to 80, we're bringing in $870,000 to $200,000, and if we were to go to

[1:33:35] 100, that's bringing in about $1.1 million.

[1:33:45] So run our program.

[1:33:47] So our ramp monitors, just to keep them funded, cost $481,000, $625.

[1:34:01] Our staff time for non-Ramp Monitor staff, $235,000, our operating expenses, which includes

[1:34:12] buying equipment, buying stickers, data sheets, doing water sampling, about $141,900.

[1:34:24] So our total program cost for this fiscal year, last, I mean last fiscal year was $858,611,

[1:34:40] sorry.

[1:34:41] Our revenue for the stickers is only 167,000, so we are running a deficit funding gap of 691,385 dollars.

[1:34:56] So, that funding gap has been

[1:35:00] And filled with grants for the most part. And help from the board and county funds. So, if we were to increase

[1:35:17] the sticker price, to 60, we would be bringing in 457,504 dollars.

[1:35:28] And then we only need 233,881 dollars to cover with grants, which is a much easier number

[1:35:39] to cover than the 691,000.

[1:35:45] If we increase the sticker price to $80, we will bring in $730,000 and the expenses that we need covered by grants would be zero.

[1:36:01] At $80, the program would be self-sufficient.

[1:36:11] This is a table showing cost to get into other lakes.

[1:36:16] So, clear lake, we currently have no launch fee.

[1:36:21] Our resident quality sticker is only $20, our non-resident is $20, and our decontamination

[1:36:29] is free.

[1:36:32] Lake Tahoe.

[1:36:34] To get into the lake, it's $65.

[1:36:38] One use.

[1:36:40] And depending on if your boat needs decontamination,

[1:36:44] It could cost you anywhere from $60 to $350 or $60 to $100.

[1:36:50] If you have muscles attached on your boat, it's $350.

[1:36:55] You have to pay on top of your daily use fee.

[1:36:59] Lake Barriessa, $20 a day to get into the lake.

[1:37:06] You can buy a season launch pass for $300.

[1:37:09] For our residents, $60 is much cheaper.

[1:37:13] That's for the whole year, and you have to do decon, and your boat needs to do a seal, which prevents your boat from going into other water bodies.

[1:37:24] full some lake $10 to launch and there are decontamination fees and Lake Sonoma is $20

[1:37:36] launch fees. So we based our fee schedule off of what lakes in the area equivalent lakes charge for day use fees.

[1:37:53] So our recommendation as staff, looking through all the data, looking how other boats, our lakes manage their lakes and charge boaters.

[1:38:04] We are kindly requesting a sticker fee increase from 20 to 60.

[1:38:11] We will continue to allow free decontaminations.

[1:38:16] By increasing it to 60, we can still do that.

[1:38:20] That will be a free service we can provide.

[1:38:24] This will allow us to have a more predictable, stable funding, and not have to worry about

[1:38:30] whether we will get a grant or not.

[1:38:33] It will simplify administration cost because we know what's coming in and out,

[1:38:42] and it will

[1:38:42] the port long-term program sustainability.

[1:38:53] We also are kindly requesting a special event lake access permit with fees.

[1:39:01] And this is not just geared towards vast tournaments.

[1:39:06] Any event that requires quagas and inspections would fall under this.

[1:39:12] So the slash an event would be another one, any boat racing events would fall under this.

[1:39:18] Ask tournaments, catfish tournaments, any fishing tournaments would also fall under it.

[1:39:24] Currently, CDFW charges $82 to get a permit to have a tournament of any kind on our lake.

[1:39:36] We charge nothing right now.

[1:39:38] They can modify their events up to three times.

[1:39:42] These modifications cause water resources to have to modify staff scheduling, which cost

[1:39:51] time and money.

[1:39:52] So if we plan out staff scheduling and they change the tournament in a week from the

[1:40:00] We have to scramble to rearrange our scheduling, which costs us time and money, not just in the office, but also our ramp monitors in the field.

[1:40:13] Many tournaments have participants from out of the area, and are considered high risk for transporting invasive muscles.

[1:40:21] Many tournaments are held in the Delta and they come up to clear lake within a couple of weeks to have their next tournament.

[1:40:31] In violation of the 30 day quarantine, those are red flags to us that we do our best to manage.

[1:40:41] This permit will help us manage those tournaments and make sure that they are going through decontamination.

[1:40:49] Some events can be extremely costly, for instance, one tournament over this summer cost the

[1:40:58] county $7,000 in just muscle dog fees because they had an open ramp launch and we had to

[1:41:19] and in the office. So $7,000 just in dogs for that tournament. And it was a nationwide

[1:41:28] tournament where best boats were coming from all over our nation to fish.

[1:41:34] This fiscal year, we spent $90,000 on muscle dogs to inspect and sniff boats.

[1:41:45] Charging events, a fee will cover our cost to meet the requirements set forth in our county ordinances, specifically our Quagga Muscle ordinances.

[1:41:58] So if we can pass off some of that $90,000 to very large tournaments that are bringing in lots of revenue, we feel that is justified.

[1:42:10] So, our proposed fee schedule for these tournaments, a $50 application fee, which was determined by looking at a

[1:42:24] coordinator staff at level six for about 45 minutes of their time, 5, level 5.

[1:42:32] So, we came up with that $50 as just covering the cost to approve the permit.

[1:42:40] The actual muscle dog and inspection cost for large events, so there's only about a dozen

[1:42:47] of these that will fall under this purview, but any event that has more than a hundred

[1:42:53] participants that requires quag inspections, we would like to pass some of those dog inspection

[1:43:02] cost onto them. The benefits of this, well, cost recovery, we can use that money for different

[1:43:10] days to have dogs and we can have more coverage on our lake. We can use that for staffing

[1:43:19] for rent monitors to staff further in the afternoon. It also ensures event-related cost

[1:43:26] are bor by the event, not the county.

[1:43:31] And it reduces burden on county taxpayers because their taxpayer dollars are not being used

[1:43:40] for to supplement an event,

[1:43:51] or I should say subsidize an event, that's a better word.

[1:43:58] What will this increased fund support?

[1:44:02] Well, we will be able to maintain and expand our watercraft inspections.

[1:44:07] We understand we can't be everywhere on an open lake all the time.

[1:44:12] All we can do is try to fill as many of those holes as possible.

[1:44:16] The more money we have, the more ability we can put our staff and fund them on the ramps.

[1:44:24] It will maintain a free decontamination service.

[1:44:28] So decontaminations, we are adamant, we want to keep that free as a service, because we

[1:44:35] want voters that have been in infected water bodies to not feel they have to lie to us,

[1:44:43] because they don't want to spend money on a decont.

[1:44:46] If it is free, so they tell us the truth, all they have to do is drive over and their boat gets a free wash, basically.

[1:44:56] We can maintain and expand our mus...

[1:45:00] So, this is water quality. We sample for muscles on the lake at numerous points every month. This will allow us to continue that monitoring and maybe expand it. That way if we do find some muscles, we can attack that one spot and get it before it expands into the entire lake.

[1:45:27] We can also increase our public outreach with outreach events, like the county fair, like the MMIA event.

[1:45:38] There are multiple events throughout the county, and we want to be out there educating the public as much as we can.

[1:45:46] It also allows us to buy more science and increase our signage and prevention of our infrastructure.

[1:45:55] So it allows us to check things better.

[1:45:59] It also allows us to support a rapid response planning.

[1:46:02] So if we do get muscles, we have a game plan for that.

[1:46:08] And if we have funds set aside, we can put all everyone on deck

[1:46:15] and we can attack the issue immediately with that funding.

[1:46:19] And it reduces our reliance on the general fund resources.

[1:46:28] So, your key takeaways, invasive muscle thread and water reliability,

[1:46:34] infrastructure, recreation, and our local economy.

[1:46:38] Prevention programs require inspection, staffing,

[1:46:42] monitoring, public outreach, reporting,

[1:46:46] and needs to be self-sustainable.

[1:46:50] Our current fees do not allow us to be self-sustainable.

[1:46:57] Nationwide, in areas that are impacted, it costs annually close to a billion dollars

[1:47:05] if not more to control invasive muscles.

[1:47:09] You can just ask any water agency in the Great Lakes how they feel about that.

[1:47:15] And early prevention is far cheaper than long-term infants infestation management.

[1:47:23] What this also doesn't include is if we do get infested, we will lose our invasive species

[1:47:32] prevention grants because we will no longer need those grants because now we are infected.

[1:47:39] So the grants are giving to us for prevention.

[1:47:42] So, we will that resource will dry up if we do get infected.

[1:47:53] And once infected recreational events such as fishing tournaments and splash in event may be limited,

[1:48:01] if our water body becomes infested, tournaments may have trouble holding tournaments here.

[1:48:09] So there may not be a possibility to do that,

[1:48:14] and links that have become infested have stopped all boaters

[1:48:19] going on to their lake to make sure that they don't spread the muscles

[1:48:23] to other lakes.

[1:48:25] That is a non-negotiable for us.

[1:48:28] We can't get to that situation,

[1:48:31] and our community would not allow it.

[1:48:33] And protecting clear lake protects Lake County residents and businesses.

[1:48:40] So we see this as a holistic approach.

[1:48:43] We look at everyone that utilizes the lake, not just fishermen, not just recreational

[1:48:48] boaters, but also the public residents that use Lake County water or clear lake water.

[1:48:57] Everyone is what we're concerned about.

[1:49:00] and we see this as a larger, bigger issue than just one group of one user in the lake.

[1:49:08] We see it as, this is our lifeblood for our community and we can't risk it and references

[1:49:18] and thank you for your time.

[1:49:23] Anything further, director?

[1:49:27] All right, do we have any questions from board members?

[1:49:31] We'll start with Supervisor Owen and then Subotte.

[1:49:36] My first question is, do you know what the number or what percentage of stickers are local

[1:49:44] versus out of county?

[1:49:46] What I'm saying, local, I mean Lake County versus out of county?

[1:49:51] Yes.

[1:49:51] So here are residents, stickers,

[1:49:58] for ramp monitors.

[1:50:00] So we are, it looks like about, I don't have the average off top of my head here, but it looks like around 4,500. And then you add these to that. So I would say about 4,600. And then our visitor stickers are slightly higher, probably around 6,000. 6,000.

[1:50:26] Okay.

[1:50:28] Just food for thought. I know that we obviously are going to have to do something to increase our income on this to be able to cover it.

[1:50:39] I wonder if there's a way to if not leave the local stickers at the 20 or 25 or 30 to keep them a little cheaper than the visitor stickers.

[1:50:55] to be able to, because it's our people and just to keep it more, to kind of give them a break

[1:51:02] if they live locally. And then if we needed to even, I understood what you were talking

[1:51:09] about with the free decontamination, originally I was thinking, charge for that. But I understand

[1:51:20] your thought process behind it, so I'm going to go with what you guys have on that for now.

[1:51:32] I'll come back to me. I've lost my train of thought, so.

[1:51:36] Can I answer your first question?

[1:51:39] Okay. The reason we kept it at 60, so for residents, right now, they have a whole year, so the ones

[1:51:51] that are currently bearing the brunt of the cost are the non-residents because if they want

[1:51:58] to use the lake throughout the year, it will be 60 times 12.

[1:52:03] So they're looking at about $720 for their stickers and $60 divide that by 12 months.

[1:52:16] So, that's $5 a month and if you think about how much they cost per day, we're talking

[1:52:25] around 20 cents per day.

[1:52:27] I see.

[1:52:28] I see.

[1:52:30] Okay.

[1:52:33] I was wondering about any other way that we could subsidize this from say, I know that it brings

[1:52:41] in a lot of tourism, is there any interest or thoughts on something from the TOT or something

[1:52:50] along those lines because it does bring in a lot of tourism?

[1:52:57] Yeah.

[1:52:57] So I think just to add to what Thomas was saying, so that $60 visitors is the annual pass,

[1:53:04] so they have to be like $60 for a year, but the resident is $60 a month.

[1:53:12] So those outside of the county are 60 dollars a month?

[1:53:15] Yeah, so in a sense it's like $5 a month for residents and $20 for no one resident.

[1:53:21] Okay, thank you.

[1:53:25] Supervisor Svati.

[1:53:29] I'm going to split this into two.

[1:53:32] One is the event.

[1:53:34] like I'm just to me if we have an event in one of our parks like there are fees that go along with

[1:53:44] that to process the application to make sure that it's going to happen correctly. There's typically

[1:53:50] at the posit that goes along with that to make sure that the park is found in the same

[1:53:53] plate way that you founded in the first place. So I have no issues with an event cost especially if

[1:54:02] costing us money and what I'm hoping and I think I see it in here but I just want to be more specific.

[1:54:08] We have a master fee schedule. To me, there should be within the master fee schedule is on a

[1:54:15] per event and then also on a per modification of the event because you're asking us to do more work.

[1:54:20] You should be paying for that work. I think it should be at cost. It shouldn't be for necessarily

[1:54:26] making money. But involved in that should also be, and I'm sure there is, the per sticker

[1:54:33] that each boat, let's just say you have greater than 100 in an event, each boat should be getting

[1:54:39] a sticker. Those boats probably don't come back every month, and if they do, they'll come back

[1:54:43] the following month, and now they'll have to get a sticker again. So I'm a yes for moving forward

[1:54:49] Um, with the event. I struggle with the increase of the stickers just because it's already starting at such a low amount.

[1:55:00] And it still doesn't fulfill all of your needs. I get it that it's slowly bridging the gap, as you lift it up. And I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm good with looking at and increase but not the increase that's being proposed.

[1:55:16] And I want to I guess I'm looking at like a two or three year plan and I know I had a conversation with director of Padye about this. We've talked about the deconstations and I know there's some work that's going to happen possibly within the next few months.

[1:55:29] where an RFP is going to go out or something along those lines.

[1:55:33] And I think that needs to be a part of this conversation,

[1:55:37] because I don't have any negative things to say about the sticker program.

[1:55:43] I think the intent is great.

[1:55:44] I think the work that is being done is great.

[1:55:47] But there's also a whole lot of luck that's involved in the whole thing.

[1:55:52] Because I get a sticker.

[1:55:55] Then I go up Elf Mountain Road all the way to Lake Pillsbury.

[1:55:58] nobody's monitoring Lake Pillsbury. Nobody's going up there for that. All kinds of people are

[1:56:03] going up there potentially with boats that are infected. Then I come back and put my boat back

[1:56:08] in clear Lake. I got a local sticker. I stayed in the local county, but yet it's just there's so many

[1:56:15] holes in what could happen that I just knock on wood every single day that we don't have muscles

[1:56:22] here. Part of that is the sticker program. But part of that is also just that that we've been

[1:56:27] very fortunate that people are possibly just doing the right thing by draining their

[1:56:32] boat and not bringing us infected vehicles.

[1:56:36] But to me, the answer to our luck and the answer to our program is long-term, deconstations,

[1:56:45] to capture as many entry points into our county where our locals, if they never left the county,

[1:56:54] Never have to go through one of those deconstations, but if you do leave the county with your boat and then come back in

[1:57:01] Then you will have to go through the deconstation because the the idea is if you left the county with your boat and you're coming back

[1:57:06] You probably went somewhere to a body of water

[1:57:09] So I I see that and I'm hopeful that it could be a two to three-year plan to

[1:57:15] Figuring that out and yes, I'm okay with looking at an increase. I would say I'm very comfortable with 25

[1:57:23] getting a little uncomfortable around the 30 marks, 60. I'm just like I'm I'm not feeling comfortable at all.

[1:57:30] The event one, no problem.

[1:57:35] There was something else. Yes, and

[1:57:37] Continue to go after those grants. I know that we had a conversation where we felt like we missed it. We did get something.

[1:57:44] It wasn't obviously enough to cover the whole thing. We did provide some funding. I don't know if it came from cannabis. I'm guessing it did because I see a bunch of nods in the back of the room.

[1:57:54] to help make sure that you were there, and I just checked in this morning and we have some risk reduction funds.

[1:58:03] This is to me a risk reduction for our county.

[1:58:06] We have some water resources.

[1:58:08] I don't think that there's any more funds in there, but there could be.

[1:58:12] We'll see at the end of the budget when we reconcile everything.

[1:58:16] But I want to give it a time frame with the long-term plan, without having a huge impact on

[1:58:26] the activities that we see and don't see it. And when I say I don't see, I live in a place where I get to see the lake every single day.

[1:58:33] There is a lack of activity in our lake. And so, increasing it

[1:58:40] reduces what we already lack.

[1:58:41] It is, I have seen the difference between what was happening here in 2018, 2017, there are a lot of tournaments.

[1:58:51] Every weekend basically has a tournament.

[1:58:52] If you look at the official wildlife website, but the amount of folks that are coming on their own as tourists to put their boats in the lake.

[1:59:01] Maybe it's just South Lake, but it is even on what you would think would be the height of our lake activities.

[1:59:09] Memorial Day weekend, Fourth of July, there's just a reduction in activity and

[1:59:17] comparison to what I used to see a long time ago. And so to to increase the

[1:59:22] number is not helping to bring more people here. I don't know that it will have

[1:59:26] a huge impact. $60 a month though is a hard pill to swallow. But I want to be

[1:59:33] kind on wanting to get our locals to dip their boats in the lake,

[1:59:40] our tourists to dip their boats in the lake, but also want to use a timeline for the long term.

[1:59:45] And so that's what I'm looking at is if we can help with cannabis money that we have,

[1:59:51] keep going after the grants, do a slight increase in a slight change for the events,

[1:59:55] and let's see where we are, and just keep pushing for those decons.

[1:59:59] because once we have been

[2:00:00] It's really just more of a maintenance and operation of the decons, not ramp monitors specifically,

[2:00:07] because everyone should be going through those stations. I'll stop there.

[2:00:13] Vice chair.

[2:00:14] When was the $20 fee originated in what year was that?

[2:00:22] I believe that was like about five years ago or so.

[2:00:25] What was it before that?

[2:00:27] It was much longer ago.

[2:00:30] Yeah.

[2:00:30] I think it was a long time with it.

[2:00:31] Probably comments not open right now hang on.

[2:00:33] I don't remember when it was less than $20.

[2:00:37] I think it started at $20 was what we started at.

[2:00:43] I'm aware of it.

[2:00:45] But it has been a long time.

[2:00:48] It hasn't changed.

[2:00:48] More since the original $20.

[2:00:50] Your microphone?

[2:00:52] Sorry.

[2:00:53] It hasn't changed from the $20 that we started with that I know of.

[2:01:00] had there has been no increases since that.

[2:01:03] Okay.

[2:01:03] Well maybe in public comment we'll learn.

[2:01:06] I think you the right.

[2:01:07] My recollection is that it's.

[2:01:11] I mean we started this like 16 years ago and it could have been that long.

[2:01:14] Maybe it started a little less.

[2:01:17] I don't know.

[2:01:17] But I'm also concerned about the.

[2:01:24] The increases because if we haven't increased a fee for 16 years.

[2:01:28] We've been in this situation before with other fees throughout the county, and then we're getting these requests to raise fees that aren't gradual because we haven't kept up on it.

[2:01:44] I would also like to see what it would look like to do more gradual fee increase, or we don't have sticker shock on that.

[2:01:55] I don't know if anybody can answer questions about, well, what if I live in U.K. and

[2:02:00] I come over here every single month, I've got to pay $720 a year, is there any consideration

[2:02:09] where there could be more of a, maybe an annual fee, like it going to the National Park,

[2:02:15] you pay, whatever you pay to go as many times as you want, I'm just throwing it out, I don't

[2:02:20] Now,

[2:02:23] I'm assuming the boat, if you're from out of county, you get inspected.

[2:02:28] If you go home every time you come back anyway, right?

[2:02:31] So if it was a, somebody that, because there may be people that come here every month from

[2:02:38] nearby counties, I don't know for sure.

[2:02:43] I don't have a problem with the $50 application fee because that's for doing a tournament or something and we have fees for use of other facilities.

[2:02:54] I am concerned about if somebody had to pay $7,000 for dogs, is that going to prevent a tournament from wanting to come to this lake?

[2:03:06] are they going to say, we're not going to pay 7 grand.

[2:03:10] We can go to another lake.

[2:03:13] I don't know.

[2:03:13] I think that's a consideration too.

[2:03:24] And then I just have questions about will it?

[2:03:26] A couple of things will the fees impact tourism?

[2:03:31] Will they lead to less people wanting to use the lake?

[2:03:34] And then also questions about whether we've done any research, what

[2:03:40] And what does a fee increase have, how does that affect if people are going to try to avoid

[2:03:47] the law and not get increases?

[2:03:51] I think we have to do something.

[2:03:53] I mean, we've typically gotten a grant, but it's only for less than 500,000.

[2:04:01] And there was a one year we didn't get one, and then this year we did get it again, but not

[2:04:06] for the whole amount.

[2:04:07] So we stopped to supplement general fund and if all of a sudden we get to next year our

[2:04:13] budget is not going to miraculously get better in just 12 months and we don't have a grant.

[2:04:21] We're not going to have a half a million dollars without severely cutting another county

[2:04:26] program to be able to fund the rent monitors so they could be at risk.

[2:04:32] So I'm not saying we shouldn't be looking at doing something because it's a critical program

[2:04:37] and we all know that, but just have concerns and more questions and would like to see some

[2:04:44] more options potentially, but I do want to hear from the public too, and we know we're

[2:04:50] going to have a firm on a public comment today.

[2:04:53] So do you have another comment before we...

[2:04:55] Yeah, just another.

[2:04:56] And I know it's kind of like throwing a hell Mary here, but

[2:05:00] Because I know the last conversation that we had with Yolo County Flood Control did not exactly create a new flow of revenue.

[2:05:09] They very much care about this, but they very much don't want to provide any resources to make this happen.

[2:05:15] Once the last time we had a conversation, you don't have to answer the question, but I think we need to have another conversation.

[2:05:21] I think the Board of Supervisors, there is a 2 by 2, I don't know, that's the name of the committee.

[2:05:29] The 2 Supervisors that are on there, myself included, should be a part of that conversation.

[2:05:35] And I don't want to say that the water districts should be pitching in, but they should definitely be partners,

[2:05:40] because they will suffer if this program fails to prohibit muscles from coming in.

[2:05:47] I'm sure they don't want to hear about we want something from you, but they should be partners

[2:05:52] in the program in the sense of how do we work together to have a louder voice at the state

[2:05:57] level to get what we need and I know that there's some movement on the golden muscle, but it

[2:06:02] looks more like it is a illegal to move a golden muscle rather than working to put out some

[2:06:08] money from the state to help prohibit the golden muscle for moving, but there seems to be some

[2:06:12] actions happening at the state level. So just last comments.

[2:06:16] All right. Did you want to respond director? Yeah, so I think just to address like some of the

[2:06:21] concern, so I think the residents like who are visiting here monthly, like it seems like

[2:06:26] probably the cost going to add up for them, and we can definitely look into some kind of like

[2:06:31] annual pass for them, but I will probably assume that the number of those types of people are fairly

[2:06:36] low in like out of those 12,000 stickers, which has been sold overall, but the other option for them,

[2:06:42] like somebody coming here monthly is like if their boat is registered in Lake County, that they will count as a local.

[2:06:50] So they will they can still like if their boat get registered here and they are visiting here every month.

[2:06:55] Probably it will make more sense that they register it here. So in that sense they have to pay only $60 a year.

[2:07:02] Except that if you didn't have an address here you wouldn't be able to register.

[2:07:05] Yeah. So that's that's something but we can work out something like if the boat that's something a direction from the boat saying.

[2:07:12] Maybe instead of going all the way to the 700, we can cap it up to 400, 400 something so it doesn't get like extremely high on that side.

[2:07:22] I think for the doc costs for the two nomenes.

[2:07:27] So these two nomenes are the pretty last two nomenes.

[2:07:30] So if they have more than 100 participant and you look into per boat costs,

[2:07:36] it is like substantially lower, like if you divide it by the number of participants.

[2:07:40] And also I think the reason we had that high cost like 7 grand for one of the event is because

[2:07:46] right now we don't charge anything so they can do like multiple launches over multiple sites

[2:07:52] and every site needs a dock especially for a larger event.

[2:07:56] But when and that's the reason we are trying to put this permit together so we can restrict to the number of location.

[2:08:02] So if they put only two location compared to like 4, they might cut down their cost in half.

[2:08:08] so instead of 7000 it would be only 3500 or 3000. So there are ways to around it but right now

[2:08:15] we have no way to control like where we will permit or where we will allow for them to launch

[2:08:20] because we don't have any permit and and as you saw on the state funding right I think to be more

[2:08:28] hopeful from the state that we will get more grant would be would won't be a good idea because

[2:08:34] If you saw that graph, if you can pull up that graph, state funding is continuously going down and if the trend continues, it would be even lower in coming years.

[2:08:44] That that's kind of really upset from the state, but if the risk is going up, normally you will assume the state puts more funding towards it, but it seems like they are dragging their feet and

[2:08:54] To be hopeful that in future we will have more funding that doesn't give me much hope and I look over the last 10 years of trend because it is continuously going down.

[2:09:06] And as far as the county fund is concerned like I mean at the end of the day where we are trying to do is like to come up with the funds we need in order to run our program at a minimal cost because.

[2:09:16] Right now, even at $60 accounts for like $233,000 is still grand dependent, which is reasonable to assume compared to our history of what we have gotten in the past.

[2:09:27] But if we have fund from other sources, we can definitely look into other discounting it or phasing it out to do these $60.

[2:09:35] But at this point, I think considering what we have, what we need and those cost are calculated for the next fiscal year.

[2:09:42] So this piece is not for this year, it would be applied from July, July, July 27th.

[2:09:49] So there is some time for people to know about it, plan around it or get their comments

[2:09:56] back to us like if we feel like it is kind of totally

[2:10:11] Any other questions are all open public? Yeah, public comment. If first person can come up, we'll start in the room and you'll state your name and you'll have three minutes.

[2:10:25] Matthew St. Clair, I'm the director of the Curly Coast Glenhaven Catfish Durby and your catfish Durby.

[2:10:32] The board has raised, thank you for the board for bringing this and these guys together.

[2:10:37] This is something we absolutely have to stay on top of.

[2:10:41] The board raised most of the questions and concerns I had.

[2:10:47] 2008 is when the quagma muscle program started, started at $20, it's been $20 the entire time.

[2:10:54] I have concerns about so drastic and increased to the sticker cost, sticker shock, certainly Bruno, Representative Owen, brought up good points on this.

[2:11:08] It's not luck that the muscles haven't moved around. Our lake has conditions that are not effective to muscles.

[2:11:15] One of the big concerns is oxygen.

[2:11:19] Our lake drops an oxygen.

[2:11:21] We have an oxygenation project happening,

[2:11:23] going to start next year.

[2:11:24] Muscle is will probably be a big problem,

[2:11:26] starting next year.

[2:11:27] Getting on top of this is absolutely a good thing.

[2:11:32] $50 for a tournament.

[2:11:34] I think even matching what Fish and Wildlife

[2:11:36] says is the tournament wouldn't affect our tournament.

[2:11:39] You know, we're the largest tournament on the lake.

[2:11:41] So bearing that kind of cost would be fine.

[2:11:43] A $3,000 cost for dogs would definitely impact our tournament.

[2:11:49] I don't know what we would do, but we would have to do something to mitigate that, you know.

[2:11:55] Even a tournament of our size, that would be very hurtful.

[2:11:58] I've had a wonderful time working with Esteban since he's been on this group since I think January.

[2:12:04] I'm looking forward to continuing to work with you guys. Thank you much.

[2:12:08] Thank you, sir. Next in the room.

[2:12:17] Good morning board and good morning water resources staff. Thank you. Today for this presentation. My name is Angela to pump down.

[2:12:24] Executive Dr. Lake County land trust and we have shoreline properties about 500 acres along the shoreline or the tributaries right off the lake around clear lake.

[2:12:32] So we do understand and have a direct interest in protecting clear lake from invasive muscles.

[2:12:37] Personally, I've worked in aquatic sciences for about 20 years, 10 years of that was in the Upper Midwest on the Great Lakes.

[2:12:44] So I do understand working with of lakes that have been infected by invasive muscles.

[2:12:51] I'm also a lake county certified tourism ambassador.

[2:12:54] So I fully understand both the ecological and economic impact of muscle prevention

[2:12:58] on all of lake county water bodies in the communities that depend on them.

[2:13:03] I really just wanted to shout out for the ramp monitors and the businesses.

[2:13:06] There's about 30 small mom and pop businesses around the lake to participate in this program.

[2:13:11] And the RAM monitors and the businesses are the ones that are going to get the face of the

[2:13:15] backlash of this program if it goes out and rolls out without the proper outreach and

[2:13:18] education and support and I didn't see that in the presentation.

[2:13:23] The RAM monitors, you know, this is like a part-time retirement job for them.

[2:13:26] They work really hard.

[2:13:27] They are sometimes the first and last faces that people went and see when they visit

[2:13:31] clear lake.

[2:13:32] And so I just like to see a little more support for them when this program rolls out

[2:13:36] if it does.

[2:13:38] I also wanted to see some more consultation, I guess, from the community, both the businesses

[2:13:43] that participate and the ramp monitors and those that are on the lake for the development

[2:13:48] of this program and that was part of the original development of this program back in 2005

[2:13:53] to 2008 when the sticker fee prevention program was designed.

[2:13:57] There was a lot of advisory committees and task force and outreach to the community to get

[2:14:02] feedback on what is an acceptable and doable solution to be able to prevent invasive muscles

[2:14:10] from getting into clear lake. And I would like to see that with something so major as this.

[2:14:14] This program was designed to be easy. People can get their boat inspected or secured and get on the

[2:14:20] lake as quick as possible. Quick and affordable. So participation is very likely. If you change

[2:14:26] one of those pillars, make it not affordable and make it very difficult. Then you change the dynamic

[2:14:31] the program and you're going to increase that risk of non-participation and one of the things we learn

[2:14:37] as certified tourism ambassadors, there's 749 access points and clear lake. Some of them,

[2:14:42] there's two, right down, you drive down right here on Lake Short. I have nobody standing there,

[2:14:47] somebody can launch their boat. So if anybody is not wanting to participate in the program because

[2:14:52] one of the pillars is change of easy affordable and quick, then you increase the risk of access

[2:14:57] some of those other points. So I didn't see any of that take-

[2:15:01] I'm not against the fee increases. It was something when I first started and I worked at water resources that I thought of. We also thought about special events. Increases. It's just the community, both visiting community, sports economy and the local community should not solely bear the burden of this.

[2:15:21] That was your time.

[2:15:23] Okay. Thank you very much.

[2:15:24] Thank you. Next in the room.

[2:15:30] Good morning board.

[2:15:31] Morning. Scott Delion.

[2:15:33] For background on the former Water Resources and Public Works Director,

[2:15:37] serving that role from 2010 till I retired in 2024.

[2:15:41] I appreciate the opportunity and the opportunity for to review this.

[2:15:46] You know, I had a lot of concerns.

[2:15:48] Some things have come to light.

[2:15:50] I've been watching the presentation and talking with Angela and Greg and

[2:15:55] I think we're underestimating the backlash that's going to come from this.

[2:16:01] I too, I agree with everything that Angela just said with respect to reaching out to the folks.

[2:16:09] Your vendors are the front line of this and I'm hoping if vendors haven't been contacted that they will because this is a very drastic change.

[2:16:24] There's, you know, the state started that grant program while I was the director and thanks

[2:16:30] to the efforts from Angela, we were successful in getting grant funds every year that they

[2:16:37] were made available.

[2:16:39] I think, clearly, it is, and specifically, Lake County is in a unique position that we're

[2:16:44] one of the few that is eligible for those funds.

[2:16:48] I recognize that they are competitive but we've received grant funds every year, but one.

[2:16:57] So to say that the grant funds fluctuate and it seems a little stretch to me.

[2:17:04] I think that the grant funds are a little more available than what we're planning.

[2:17:10] I also am a voter, I own two votes, so I'm subject to this same sticker fees.

[2:17:16] And I also agree that I don't really have a problem with an increase.

[2:17:20] I do have a problem with a 300% increase, so I'd like to see some additional thought given

[2:17:27] to how to lessen that impact and coordinate more with our vendors.

[2:17:35] Last thing in the last minute, special event, I'm really on the fence about the special event.

[2:17:44] I'd like to see the department work with the state on scheduling and where the events are launching

[2:17:53] to help coordinate their inspections.

[2:17:57] That's available to them.

[2:17:59] I think you're really going to impact the tournament folks with passing through Deacon cost to anglers.

[2:18:10] I'm an organization that has a boat that we rent, that's a release boat.

[2:18:16] We rent it to anglers or tournament directors.

[2:18:19] They won't pay $200 to rent the boat for a day to make sure that the fish survive and

[2:18:25] that they're cared for after they're weighed and returned to the lake.

[2:18:29] They're going to have a problem with paying substantial decon fees.

[2:18:35] Thank you.

[2:18:37] Next in the room.

[2:18:48] Good morning board, Rasmussen numbers of the board, Greg Juicy, University of California

[2:18:52] Emeritus, and current member of your Lake County Fish and Wildlife Advisory Committee.

[2:18:57] I think I'm starting my 30th year on that committee.

[2:19:00] I do it for the money in the glory.

[2:19:03] And I was on the original task group that put this program together in 2008.

[2:19:08] I still have barely the scars from those discussions, but that program was never intended

[2:19:13] to be a cash cow.

[2:19:14] It was always intended to serve as leverage to go out and find other resources to apply through

[2:19:21] the state.

[2:19:21] We knew these other programs were coming.

[2:19:24] I just quickly want to think, you know, this is a water quality issue.

[2:19:28] I'm a member of the North Coast Water Quality Board.

[2:19:31] You're in Region 5, I've been Region 1.

[2:19:33] Those water quality boards are not only regulatory bodies, they're funding bodies.

[2:19:37] I would ask that you go and talk to them about the beneficial use impacts of plugins,

[2:19:42] zebra muscles on water quality and see if they have monies to do some of your capital improvements.

[2:19:49] The Blue Ribbon Committee is dealing with dealing with water quality issues.

[2:19:54] Again, specific targeted requests could find other sources of money.

[2:20:00] I know that, you know, I was an academic. I chased dollars for 30 years. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of effort. But it can't pay off. The one, the one, the one lying drawn in the sand that we cannot cross. We cannot lose the business community. This will cause them to bolt. If we lose the business community support because they sell most of these stickers. If we lose their support, we lose the

[2:20:29] It's that simple. We have to work with them. We have to make sure that they're on board and what they think is reasonable and back in 2008

[2:20:38] We had so many meetings. We had so many discussions bringing people along and as we know and you're absolutely right

[2:20:46] We've been lucky

[2:20:47] The reason we've been lucky is because it's affordable

[2:20:51] Right if we scare people away with too much money

[2:20:54] It's it's just we're gonna lose it. We're gonna lose them all of a sudden. We're gonna see a lot of residents stickers get sold

[2:21:01] Right because people come from UK a weekly over here, and yeah, it's a $60

[2:21:05] Pop, but that adds up quick and they're gonna be looking well my boat's no dirtier than these boats here

[2:21:11] Because I don't go anywhere else. I come to Clear Lake. So those are the kind of discussions that need to

[2:21:16] Need to happen in our partners in this the business community the fishing community

[2:21:20] They're the foundation of what's made this work. This is a

[2:21:25] This is based on people's honesty and doing the right thing and that's why we've been

[2:21:31] successful because people know we're doing the right thing.

[2:21:34] The ramp monitors, I don't know where you find these people, they're angels, they are

[2:21:37] amazing.

[2:21:38] They'll talk to your office, like guys, I want to go fishing, but 20 minutes later I'm still

[2:21:42] talking to them, but they are the front lines and they make it work and the business

[2:21:47] is make it work.

[2:21:48] That's where we've got to think a lot of these ideas are great, but we're trying to take

[2:21:53] this program. Hang on one second. That was your three, but we have a question for you.

[2:21:58] Yes, ma'am. Well, thank you for all of your years helping out in this arena. I'm just curious

[2:22:05] in the original task force. How was that set up?

[2:22:12] Water resources, fish and game,

[2:22:15] fish and wildlife. The RCDs were involved. I'm sure we had Parks and Rec because, you know,

[2:22:25] at least the county public boat ramps are under park and wreck.

[2:22:32] We must have had discussions with the city of Clear Lake and Lakeport, because that's

[2:22:37] where the big tournaments, and now with the casino, the big tournaments go out of Redbud,

[2:22:42] they go out of 5th Street, they go out of the casino, right?

[2:22:46] And they have to, those big tournaments all have to go out of the central localized place, because

[2:22:51] they all have live well checks.

[2:22:53] I want to make sure nobody's bringing fish in

[2:22:55] that they've caught somewhere else and weigh them.

[2:22:57] So they have to start in a central location.

[2:23:01] And then members of the fishing community,

[2:23:04] members of the bath club, the various bait shops.

[2:23:11] It was an effort.

[2:23:13] How long did it take?

[2:23:17] It took a while.

[2:23:19] It took a while.

[2:23:20] It took an effort.

[2:23:20] it was new. The whole idea of invasive muscles scared everyone to death. We knew what the threat

[2:23:28] was, what we weren't sure how to manage the risk. We knew that different vessels posed

[2:23:34] different threats. Wakeboard boats that come from Lake Mead, you know, that have these balists,

[2:23:41] that they suck water in to weigh the boat down. Those are those are a big risk. We knew that

[2:23:50] to better understand risk factors associated, not only with where folks were coming from, but also the type of watercraft that they're using.

[2:24:01] And even today, the number, we have a hundred, we have a hundred tournaments a year on Clear Lake for competitive fishing.

[2:24:09] In the economic profile I published in 2016, back then we're looking between five and six thousand competitive anglers a year coming on the lake.

[2:24:17] What's changed in the last five, seven years is the number of kayak tournaments that are coming

[2:24:23] on.

[2:24:24] These kayaks are incredible vessels, and they're getting moved around.

[2:24:28] They're still relatively low-risk, but they're not the little, little kayak that maybe

[2:24:33] people think of.

[2:24:35] They have the potential of carrying some water from one spot to another, because it's a big

[2:24:40] deal.

[2:24:41] Now, kayak tournaments are a big deal, and people are moving around.

[2:24:44] They're going to the delta, and they're going here, and they're going to fall.

[2:24:45] So, again, I think we need to look at, you know, break down again with different kinds of boats and vessels that are being used.

[2:24:53] Who's bringing in jet skis?

[2:24:56] There's a lot of, there's a lot of sail boats and marinas that,

[2:25:00] Never leave the lake, but they're not paying their muscle stickers because the stickers are 5, 6, 7 years old, right? And by law, they're supposed to have an updated sticker if they're on the water. You know, go anywhere, but by law, to meet the intent of the law, they should be upgrading their stickers every year. So, not a lot of money, but there's a few holes. And again, I think the focus, if the focus is on muscle pertain, there's a lot of good ideas of what we could do. We could pay for this. If we had more money, I think the discussion has to

[2:25:29] to be kept contained to what are we doing with a sticker program, the prevention program,

[2:25:35] which is so huge, and keep our discussion focused on that, and what do we need, not

[2:25:42] what do we want kind of approach?

[2:25:43] What do we need?

[2:25:44] We need to make the sticker program work, I think, and again we need to bring people along

[2:25:50] because this has always been based on participation and partnerships with all the various

[2:25:56] groups.

[2:25:57] Thank you.

[2:25:58] Thank you.

[2:25:59] It would have anyone else in the room.

[2:26:18] Good morning Mr. Chair, Tom Lysick.

[2:26:21] I do want to thank the board for having the presentation.

[2:26:24] I think it's a healthy discussion.

[2:26:27] Just a couple things.

[2:26:28] I think I'm going to respectfully disagree with one of the public comments that this lake

[2:26:32] is not conducive to the quag up because of the low oxygen level.

[2:26:36] Having lived to Michigan where you have zebra muscles and quag muscle is now.

[2:26:41] They're actually very tolerant of hypoxia, low oxygen levels.

[2:26:46] They also love this lake because it has high calcium levels, so it's a need for their shells.

[2:26:52] And as we all know, it's like the lake's alive, it says it's a very high nutrient level.

[2:26:57] All of those things make it the perfect location for innovative species like Quagga.

[2:27:03] The fact that we don't have anything is to a lot of luck, as Mr. Sabatee mentioned,

[2:27:10] but also an incredibly hard work of our scientists,

[2:27:15] not only in the county, but the state, the federal government.

[2:27:19] And also responsible voters and recreationists.

[2:27:23] 20 to 60, yeah, that's a tough bite.

[2:27:27] But when you start talking about affordability,

[2:27:31] I think it's important to look at affordability relative

[2:27:34] to what, to what the other lakes are charging,

[2:27:38] the $20 a day versus $20 a year.

[2:27:42] So think about what we're asking the community to bite off, and I think there was a suggestion

[2:27:51] to have in some sort of roadmap.

[2:27:54] I think that's a good idea.

[2:27:55] I don't think it would be palatable to go from 20 to 60 in one jump, but somehow some

[2:28:00] way you're going to have to get to that point.

[2:28:04] And we've already limited about past boards, not applying CPI, so this thing is not

[2:28:10] change since 2008 and you keep complaining about those types of things.

[2:28:16] Something does need to give.

[2:28:18] I do personally, I don't both myself, but I do appreciate the recreation, what it brings

[2:28:27] to the economy.

[2:28:31] You need to do something $20 for years without an increase is not reasonable.

[2:28:37] 25, 30, 35 is probably the way to go, but you do need to get to a roadmap where you

[2:28:42] are self-sustaining.

[2:28:44] Because if you do get contamination, it's game over.

[2:28:47] Thank you.

[2:28:48] Thank you.

[2:28:49] Anyone else in the room?

[2:29:00] Roberta McIntyre.

[2:29:04] 18 years since the program was instituted, no fee increases.

[2:29:11] through the chair. My advice or recommend would be that the CIOs office for those departments

[2:29:19] that have fees make sure that they update their fees annually instead of waiting 18 years

[2:29:28] to update them. This is not the first time we've seen this happen where there's a huge gap

[2:29:33] and all of a sudden we have to increase fees to get caught up to make departments whole and then

[2:29:38] have the sticker shock issue. So please let the department have no charge fees that they need

[2:29:46] to budget time, bring those increases in fees with their annual budget and get them

[2:29:53] to hear it annually. I have a jet ski. I have no problem spending.

[2:30:00] 60 dollars a year for the permit.

[2:30:06] An unfair comparison, probably with regard to events, I've done events at

[2:30:13] snowman county fairgrounds two day events, where to use the five acre carnival in two buildings is

[2:30:20] excess of $18,000. So comparing unfair comparison probably, but as you reach out to business

[2:30:30] owners and event folks, you know, to land on what the market will bear there, keep in mind

[2:30:36] that they need this natural resource to hold their events. It's beautiful. It's important.

[2:30:43] They've been doing this for years for them to change that. It's going to be huge. So I would

[2:30:47] explore working with those vendors to see what the market will bear, what a little tolerate.

[2:30:52] And then the final thing that gets me to being comfortable with that $60 year fee is seeing

[2:31:00] this presentation.

[2:31:01] So regardless of the fee increase, if it's married to outreach and something like this

[2:31:07] presentation, so people understand the need for this, why it's important.

[2:31:12] people like myself will go holy cow, I have no problem spending $60 here, you know, if it's

[2:31:18] going to prevent some of the stuff that I saw today.

[2:31:21] Thank you.

[2:31:22] Thank you.

[2:31:23] Is there anyone else in the room, not seeing anyone move to online,

[2:31:34] don't go ahead and

[2:31:34] stay your whole name.

[2:31:35] You'll have three minutes.

[2:31:37] Good morning, Donna McWitz, Redbed, Audubon Society.

[2:31:40] I just wanted to mention the Blue Ribbon Committee as the funding source and they'd be able

[2:31:45] have been this project short-term to support the muscle program, water resources could update

[2:31:51] the 2019 presentation and present the next socioeconomic and or technical committee, and all

[2:31:57] the questions you've heard today can be included in the state required prevention plan update

[2:32:02] that I think is about 10 years old. And thank you for listening.

[2:32:08] Thank

[2:32:14] you. Natasha, go ahead and state your whole name and you'll have three minutes.

[2:32:18] Good morning.

[2:32:20] I'm Natasha Sokoloski.

[2:32:22] Thank you.

[2:32:23] I just wanted to say this is a very interesting subject.

[2:32:26] In general, and I am in support of the increase, especially because it does not take your

[2:32:32] rocket scientists to notice a downward spiral on a trend.

[2:32:37] It looks like that's exactly where it's going.

[2:32:42] I've been here for 15 years.

[2:32:43] And I've had so many people over the course of that time asked me if this lake is the lake you can come visit the swimming.

[2:32:52] And that's been a very difficult answer.

[2:32:55] Question for me to answer because in general I would say no.

[2:33:01] And so this type of program would help facilitate keeping the lake clean.

[2:33:06] So people think they're like, oh, I want to go to clear lakes.

[2:33:09] It's just like they've powed super clean, super nice.

[2:33:12] All the people there are keeping things in order

[2:33:16] and making sure things aren't getting forgotten

[2:33:18] on an annual basis.

[2:33:20] So I support this and I thank for the future of tourism

[2:33:24] in our county and this is absolutely necessary.

[2:33:27] Thank you.

[2:33:28] Thank you.

[2:33:33] guest.

[2:33:35] guest if you all state your name, you'll have three minutes.

[2:33:39] Thank you, Mr. Chair, Angela, Emeral.

[2:33:41] I had sent an email to your board earlier this morning, but it looked like it was blocked by IT.

[2:33:47] And hopefully it sounds like it just got sent, but I'm going to go ahead and rattle off some of the things that were in it.

[2:33:53] I would like for you guys to consider maintaining the current sticker price of $20 dollars to the Lake County residents,

[2:33:59] increasing the fee for residents who already paid property taxes,

[2:34:03] or experiencing rising rates of for water, sewer, and emergency services,

[2:34:07] Well, as we likely deter residents from obtaining quagal muscle stickers, which would decrease

[2:34:13] the revenue for water resources, residents with multiple water vessels such as boats,

[2:34:18] just ski sail boats, and they have to choose which vessels they purchase stickers for.

[2:34:23] Visitors do not pay property taxes, which contribute towards a general fund.

[2:34:28] The sticker fee for non-resident should be increased to $60.

[2:34:32] An appropriate decontamination fee should strongly be considered.

[2:34:36] currently decontamination is free where as many other areas charge for decontamination.

[2:34:42] Another consideration is using transient occupancy tax such as supervisor Owen mentioned

[2:34:47] to offset several water resources expenses for ramp monitoring and enforcement.

[2:34:52] We have a new generated from large events that's not paid directly to water resources aside from the sticker fee amount.

[2:35:00] Orderly do bring in tourism revenue, that money is not always realized by the county. Many fees are paid, many fees and taxes paid by visitors, staying at lodging facilities within the city limits of clear lake and lake port, tend to stay within their respective cities and do not go towards the county fund. Additionally, there are other facilities with overnight accommodations that do not pay towards COT, such as some of the tribally owned resorts and hotels.

[2:35:27] Regarding event permits, a tournament permit is required in other places such as Castayate Lake and Southern California to cover the county expenses for oversight.

[2:35:39] Lake County should strongly consider implementing a similar policy as suggested here today, perhaps with a reduced fee for locally run tournaments such as a cabbage derby put on by Kloba.

[2:35:51] With the reputation of clearly as the vast capital, I do not feel that this fee increase

[2:35:56] would deter tournaments from continuing to frequent clear lake.

[2:36:00] There are several groups advertising fishing events on clear lake in the last few years,

[2:36:05] which is increasing the number of people learning about the fishing opportunities in

[2:36:09] Lake County and exploring the area.

[2:36:12] Thank you for your time and consideration.

[2:36:14] Thank you.

[2:36:17] know their hands I'll close public comment and bring it back to the board. We'll start with Vice Chair.

[2:36:26] Well, I want to thank staff. This came up during budget hearings and this is a pretty quick turnaround

[2:36:32] to respond to the fact that we had to support this program with a lot of general fund this year.

[2:36:38] And we know that that's going to that is the finite resource and it's going to be more limited as we go forward in the next few years.

[2:36:46] I think that we do need to do that, reach though with our partners and see if we can pull

[2:36:54] together a task force like that to analyze how we get up to a fair array.

[2:37:03] We obviously need to increase and I think that we're going to need to step it up year

[2:37:09] year, we talked about maybe a three year plan or something but I don't want as Angela brought

[2:37:16] up to backlash to hit the people that are doing the most important work and interfacing

[2:37:21] with the public and I think that's where we would see it and we need to protect them from

[2:37:27] that. So having a really coordinated strategy with lots of input from our stakeholders is where

[2:37:34] like to start and then set that step-deb. We could start this year with an increase and then I don't

[2:37:41] know if it's going to be five or ten year, ten dollars a year or something like that so that we

[2:37:46] do get to a place where it is more sustainable. The funding is less and less year over year we know that.

[2:37:55] And I do think that people that use the need to pay a fair share but we also want to make sure

[2:38:04] that we're in that vein where people will stay compliant.

[2:38:10] And that is going to be a difficult balance that for us to find.

[2:38:13] I don't think it's a decision that we can make here today.

[2:38:15] I think that's really going to come from a lot of conversations

[2:38:19] with our stakeholders.

[2:38:21] Thank you.

[2:38:22] Supervisor Sabatee.

[2:38:27] Trying to pivot a little bit with what I just heard.

[2:38:30] I think that's not a bad idea to have the kind of a task force type of opportunity to really get the feedback from all the partners, have a conversation, make sure they're ready.

[2:38:45] I think that it's pretty obvious that if something was $20 in 2008 that the value of that $20 is no longer the same today.

[2:38:54] So I am very comfortable with saying, not like approved as in its final, but let's move forward with thinking of at least $25 for July 27, because again, you've stated that this is not for this year.

[2:39:10] This is for the following fiscal year and in preparation for that you want to know what that cost will be so that you can do the outreach that you need.

[2:39:18] I'm ready for that.

[2:39:20] I hear loud and clear and I appreciate the gentleman from the Catfish Derby mentioning that

[2:39:28] the $82 that is paid to fish and wildlife could be the exact same rather than $50

[2:39:34] and I had this conversation, Dr. Rupadiay, that to me $50 is such a small amount versus

[2:39:42] what it is.

[2:39:42] But on the other side of that, there's the dogs.

[2:39:45] And maybe it's just a stupid idea, but at the same time, yes, you will pay us for the dogs

[2:39:52] or we can train one of your people to do checks for us so that you can do the checking yourself.

[2:40:00] For, because we want to work together, they want to continue there. They don't want their people's votes to get mucked up. Those are really nice, shiny, sparkly votes, typically that they bring to our county.

[2:40:11] And so I don't know if there's a way to train some of those folks so that it's not a $7,000 cost. It's on their own in kind contribution. We've trained you. You know what to look for. You can do the inspections.

[2:40:27] and we'll just go ahead and do the paperwork stuff on the other side.

[2:40:32] Just an idea on trying to get more partners to be helpful rather than relying on us to

[2:40:38] having to do it and somebody having to pay us to do it.

[2:40:40] I know that Mr. Juste stated that we need to stay on topic, I'm going to respectfully disagree.

[2:40:48] I really think we need this.

[2:40:51] We need a long-term plan and I think before finalizing anything in the conversation we had

[2:40:56] yesterday you mentioned going forward with an RFP looking at decontamination tanks, I'd like

[2:41:03] to bring it all back together and understand what is the long term versus the short term

[2:41:09] so that we can really have a good plan that we can then do the outreach as well about because

[2:41:14] I think that would change everything for us if we were able to do what I envision these decontanks

[2:41:20] can do for us. And in all reality, the decontanks themselves are not going to be free. You're

[2:41:25] have to pay to do the contamination of your boats. But to me, the main purpose of everything we're

[2:41:33] doing here is about keeping the lake safe and healthy.

[2:41:38] And that's to me is where that leads us to.

[2:41:42] So I'm willing to say we can move forward like I guess a direction of come back and what does that

[2:41:48] look like at 25 and come back with long-term plan and then let's go through the final approval

[2:41:53] process as well and an outreach plan as well. Thank you. Supervisor Owen.

[2:42:00] I was actually going to ask

[2:42:04] about other grants that were mentioned from other departments. If we could do some outreach and

[2:42:12] look into the grants that were mentioned earlier, there was a few different directions to go. Blue

[2:42:24] might be a suggestion. I'm still on keeping the locals less, which you assured me that is what's

[2:42:33] on your table, but I'm still worried about these large jumps. So I could be on board with a five to

[2:42:39] $10 right now, especially on the locals, and maybe a little more on the visitors, stickers.

[2:42:49] But have you guys looked into what the cost is going to be?

[2:42:53] I know I had asked this, I think the last time you guys were before me, for the decontamination

[2:42:59] tanks.

[2:43:01] So I think just to address some of the questions along with the decont question there.

[2:43:08] So most of these things, like how much shortfall we have between the revenue and the cost

[2:43:16] to run the program is such a large like as you can see like over the last 18 years like we

[2:43:22] never increased it. So it has like eventually grown to to the extent and where the grand

[2:43:27] funding has been going down. So the effect of both of those are let's say the decondrite

[2:43:33] it might bring five grants if we start charging 510 grand 15 grand maximum. The permit fees which

[2:43:40] we are charging $50 brings us 5 grand. So if we make it even $100 bring another 5 grand.

[2:43:46] So, none other measures will cover the gap which we have right now.

[2:43:52] I think increasing the sticker fees is the way to go how much we can probably discuss that as the board said.

[2:44:00] But if you look into like our the cost breakdown of the of the program itself more than 80% of that cost is the staffing cost.

[2:44:08] So, which is just like pay for the staff and the RAM monitors, right?

[2:44:12] So, and you can imagine like over the last 18 years, nobody is getting the same pay, but

[2:44:19] they were getting 18 years before.

[2:44:21] So all that increase, like even though we had other things they are saying outreach and other

[2:44:25] things we will increase it, but that's not to say that the increase will cover that cost.

[2:44:31] Like it may be like we might be able to do that, but with that $60 fees also I think we are,

[2:44:37] still saying that we have to still get 233,000 a year in grand funding.

[2:44:43] So that's not assuming that we will not go after the grants.

[2:44:47] That's assuming that we will continue going after the grant.

[2:44:50] But after that also it's not like it would be very difficult to cover like everything from

[2:44:56] the grant.

[2:44:56] maybe 18 years before it might be feasible or 10 years before.

[2:45:00] It might be feasible, but with the state funding going down and we are depending hoping to get more, yeah, there are some other funding sources like the blue ribbon committee, but it won't be an ongoing cost for this specific thing, they might give us fund for a year that might be okay, but, but yeah, I think, and as far as the decont, like the dip tango's like we are already have that process started, we are working on it, we will do a feasibility study, which.

[2:45:30] in next few months that our planning should go out for it and and then we have also applied for

[2:45:35] long term. Depistations over multiple locations throughout the county like where people come in

[2:45:43] or the major highways but that's something which is a long term thing like it can't happen

[2:45:48] you over the even over the next two years so they're just to for the outreach I think we have

[2:45:55] planned it first we need some direction from the board like which way we are going even to start

[2:45:59] that conversation. And that's the reason why we have this increase to be starting in 2027,

[2:46:05] like in July 2027. So we have the time to do that outreach thing. We have reached out

[2:46:11] to Fish and Wildlife to have this kind of conversation about what their jurisdiction is,

[2:46:15] what we are allowed to do, what probably they don't want us to enter into, because the two

[2:46:21] moment is more of their direction from the state about or their area of work. So we had those

[2:46:28] conversation with them and then we're going to do like more outreach, as well as I think we have also plan to do the outreach to the air BNB's or around the county like who

[2:46:42] most these people like who come from outside. So that's in the planning, but that's what right now it says September right. So we have this going in July. So we will definitely that's part of our plan here.

[2:46:56] With the native territories, do they do the same?

[2:47:00] Do they do the inspections like say it can octaveista?

[2:47:05] Are they required to and do they sell the stickers for us to?

[2:47:09] How does that work?

[2:47:10] Yes, they sell the stickers for us.

[2:47:12] And I think before the events, do we have our RAM monitors there?

[2:47:17] Yeah, do you want to add something?

[2:47:18] Yes, so we work closely with them.

[2:47:22] And we are at their lawn tramps and they do sell our sickers when we don't have a ramp

[2:47:30] monitor there.

[2:47:31] Perfect.

[2:47:32] Thank you.

[2:47:33] Vice Chair.

[2:47:36] For the 2027 sugar price, I don't, I think we need to do a $10 increase.

[2:47:41] I think 10 is fair, it's not the biggest jump, but we do need a substantial increase.

[2:47:47] And then I think getting the input moving forward on how we build that program out.

[2:47:56] All right, where I'm at is I think we need to do more outreach and investigation and have more options coming in from us.

[2:48:05] I don't want to prove this today. I want to go back and do some more work and bring it back to us with more options.

[2:48:15] I think we have plenty of time.

[2:48:17] It's August, we've got 11 months.

[2:48:19] I don't want to wait around.

[2:48:20] I want to start right away getting that outreach done,

[2:48:24] because time does go quick.

[2:48:27] But one of the other questions is,

[2:48:30] I don't think it really came up

[2:48:32] other than it was on the PowerPoint

[2:48:34] that when the vendor sells the ticket or the sticker,

[2:48:37] they're keeping $7.

[2:48:39] We're only getting $13.

[2:48:40] If we sell it, we're getting $20.

[2:48:42] I do want to, when we talk to the businesses and the vendors, you know, have that discussion with them too,

[2:48:50] they do need to make money if they're going to sell stickers.

[2:48:53] I mean, that's what happens with other kinds of permits.

[2:48:57] But that's bringing us a minimal amount when it drops down to 13,

[2:49:03] where I think we could have a discussion about what's reasonable for their fee on top of the 20.

[2:49:11] So that's where I am, I do appreciate the work, I appreciate you getting it back to us,

[2:49:16] we gave you direction to come back, you got back pretty quickly and also appreciate all the

[2:49:22] work that you guys are doing in the field, we all know it's important, we just had that

[2:49:27] July example where this every part of the system worked perfectly, it turned out not to be

[2:49:33] a muscle, but it looked like it was and had that system not been in place, it would have

[2:49:38] in the lake. So anyway, that's where I said today. I'd be in preference of us given, you know,

[2:49:45] direction and not voting on it today. Anything else from the board on? I'm good on that.

[2:49:53] Go ahead. Well, I heard a $10 increase.

[2:49:59] I know that's-

[2:50:00] Looking at the CPI from 2008 to 2026, it's increased by 55.09%. So that would fit in the $10 increase, because that would be a 50% increase.

[2:50:11] But at the same time, I think we need to look at what has been the increase in the extra help, which that's the majority of the costs for ramp monitors are extra help.

[2:50:20] What has been the increase in salary that we've approved to also balance out, because to me, 55 is the maximum.

[2:50:28] It may be less and what's been increased with all the salary schedule upgrades that we've done

[2:50:35] But I would still sit firmly at a the five and so if it's possible, maybe to come back with those options

[2:50:43] Because obviously nobody's saying 50 or 40 or any of those kinds of numbers

[2:50:49] Supervisor on

[2:50:50] The last I think it was it might have been a couple of times ago

[2:50:54] Well, we had asked about your volunteer program for your ramp, ramp

[2:50:57] marketers as well.

[2:50:59] And I know that you were looking into really starting

[2:51:03] to try to get that going.

[2:51:05] Do we have any more movement in the volunteer program?

[2:51:12] Yeah, no.

[2:51:12] I don't think we have anything substantial there yet.

[2:51:16] But I think to rely on volunteer for something like this,

[2:51:21] I don't know how much fees we get.

[2:51:22] It's a pretty demanding job for that I wanted

[2:51:25] to be on site and we might include like some high school students or the college for

[2:51:31] as an intern kind of thing, people who can eventually join our program as well.

[2:51:37] But to have a volunteer basis, probably that I think we had the discussion in our department,

[2:51:44] we can look into that further, but that doesn't seem like a practical way of, obviously for

[2:51:50] the Ram monitors.

[2:51:51] Okay, thank you.

[2:51:54] Super, thank you.

[2:51:54] I just want to add one thing.

[2:51:56] I'm sure it's not the favorite thing for me to say.

[2:51:58] But I know that the people voted for measure C, which was the cannabis tax.

[2:52:03] And in that cannabis tax, water quality was one of the major components of what we were asking people to vote on.

[2:52:11] They approved it.

[2:52:12] We're collecting it.

[2:52:13] We have money.

[2:52:14] And that's why I'm looking for long term.

[2:52:18] changes where that money can help in the short term to get to our long-term change.

[2:52:24] And to me, identifying what are the savings with these long-term plans versus the way I

[2:52:31] look at it is what we did in the city of Clear Lake where somebody came to us and it was

[2:52:35] just a slap in the face.

[2:52:36] You can do grading of dirt roads for the next 10 years and spend $500,000 a year and you

[2:52:41] end up with dirt roads.

[2:52:42] or you could start spending some good money and turn those dirt roads into actual real roads and now you've changed the community.

[2:52:50] I'm looking for what is that permanent change rather than continuously putting money in something that is the same 20 years down the road.

[2:52:59] There's got to be an enhancement. There's got to be a better way to protect our lake and that's what I'm looking for.

[2:53:08] Okay, so I don't have a problem with you mentioned all those other checking out what the increases has been, because I think we're going to investigate and look further.

[2:53:21] We want to have all the facts in front of us.

[2:53:26] So that's where I am today.

[2:53:29] I'm not hearing from the board that we're going to vote on this today.

[2:53:34] So sounds like we're gonna give direction.

[2:53:38] Do you have go ahead County Council?

[2:53:39] Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair, just briefly.

[2:53:42] So with your board's direction to staff,

[2:53:44] coming back with these options,

[2:53:46] presenting your board with the options,

[2:53:47] just to let your board know that any finalized approval

[2:53:53] of the fees will most likely entail the amendment

[2:53:58] of the master fee schedule resolution,

[2:54:00] because the master, the county's master fee schedule resolution

[2:54:03] and actually attaches these very same fees related to the QualcommOSO program, and so that's

[2:54:09] for your board's reference and for staff officers as well, when it goes to the point

[2:54:14] of per board direction presenting your board with these options for free increases.

[2:54:21] Yeah, I think do you, do you, do you, are you clear on what we've asked in the direction?

[2:54:28] I think, in the annual fee schedule, like if it happens in July, we'll automatically get updated

[2:54:34] to the newer one.

[2:54:38] What it would depend on when the what the proposal is of when these

[2:54:42] fees take into effect. Typically, they get approved starting beginning of the calendar year

[2:54:48] on words as amendments take place. This would be in July, so it would be a new fiscal year.

[2:54:56] Okay, but we still want to adjust.

[2:55:00] Thus, then, when we update the next fee schedule, which could be before, will be before July.

[2:55:09] It happens in March or April 4.

[2:55:11] Okay. All right. Just for lack of confusion, for direction, because I feel like it's very nebulous.

[2:55:22] Yes to event fees, yes to a portion of an increase to the sticker fee, but then eventually

[2:55:32] maybe at mid-year, kind of share with us where you think the rest of money might come from

[2:55:38] so that we can have those discussions prior to full final decision.

[2:55:44] I just feel like we're sending you back to your office with not much, I don't know, I, I, no, I think that makes sense like I mean what we can do is like we can revert it around and see like how much that number says and whatever we will fall short on.

[2:56:04] board has to fill in from somewhere, I guess, like, whether

[2:56:10] general fund, cannabis fund or wherever that is coming from.

[2:56:14] Because right now, what we are proposing is was the clear direction saying,

[2:56:18] so in order to, we are not asking the board to fill in the gap like what we have.

[2:56:22] But without going into the 60, we are creating that gap now.

[2:56:27] So that gap has to be filled from somewhere until as we want to cut down on our program.

[2:56:34] I felt we should increase the permit fee as well from the 52 probably 100 is where I wouldn't

[2:56:42] be looking at.

[2:56:43] But I think the same thing which I said earlier, so it's a small cost item like even if

[2:56:48] increase it, it might bring five grand more than what we have, but it needs to pay for the

[2:56:55] time at the very least.

[2:56:57] You know, so what I heard was consensus on some kind of a fee increase is necessary on stickers down the road where not making a decision on what that is today.

[2:57:07] I also did hear the consensus on the event application fee but not on this all these extra fees with the dogs and what not at this point I didn't hear consensus on that.

[2:57:22] I'd love to see if it's possible to do again the training and I guess self, it sounds

[2:57:30] conflicty of sorts to check yourself but at the same time looking for a way to

[2:57:38] protect our lake and not have a $7,000 bill because that definitely would have an impact.

[2:57:44] Would the integrity of it be reduced is what I'm worried about with that, with people signing

[2:57:51] themselves off. I think the whole reason we need to have this permit is in order to control

[2:57:58] like the people like who are not obeying the laws or the rules or the county ordinances because

[2:58:03] this permit gives us a checking point on saying until unless we approve it, we give you a

[2:58:09] sign permit, you can't hold the tournament because then they are more accountable towards that.

[2:58:13] Right now because we don't have any permit, so they are doing the things like which we are asking

[2:58:19] like we have to change them down like where they're people are when it's launching or when

[2:58:23] it's happening. So what that permit gives us is a little bit more control on like what's happening

[2:58:28] on the lake and and I think that's the whole reason like it's not like we want to add one more

[2:58:33] thing to our task that we have enough of our things to take care of especially even considering in

[2:58:38] this program. It just like and I think the previous I think a comment was made about

[2:58:44] coordinating with fish and wildlife, California Department of Fish and Wildlife.

[2:58:48] We had this multiple conversation with them.

[2:58:50] I have sent them official letter 2 to 3 times and we can provide it that as a supporting

[2:58:55] documents to the board later on.

[2:58:57] And we had multiple conversation over the phones or like the person who sedules these two

[2:59:02] moments.

[2:59:03] It seems like they are not coordinating or not listening to what we are saying with the changes

[2:59:10] they are making.

[2:59:10] they will make the last minute change and it will throw us like off guard.

[2:59:14] We have to schedule docs months and add ones like we can't just schedule it within a week

[2:59:19] of notice.

[2:59:20] So, that creates like a lot of problem with us doing that program in a right way.

[2:59:26] So, I'll leave you talk about the loopholes in the program, right.

[2:59:29] So, that creates even more loopholes because now we can't schedule the docs or like we

[2:59:33] and have the Ram monitor schedule for that location.

[2:59:36] If they change from let's say one lamp Ram location to another or they change their

[2:59:43] launch days.

[2:59:44] So that's the whole purpose of having that permit in place.

[2:59:50] The only other thing I think might be beneficial because we have a lot of questions is maybe

[2:59:57] getting the progress or not to eat down the road.

[3:00:00] If it's depending on how long it's going to be before the whole thing gets back in front of us.

[3:00:05] Yeah, and we can come back to board in two, two, three months to re-work this thing around,

[3:00:12] and which is based on today's feedback, and then come back again with proposed change proposal.

[3:00:19] And the public outreach portion of it, is that something that you can handle, or do we need to have a committee?

[3:00:28] We can handle it.

[3:00:29] We already do a lot of outreach.

[3:00:31] It's more, we can set up the committee as well if needed.

[3:00:34] But I think when the program was first set up,

[3:00:37] that's a separate kind of thing because right now,

[3:00:39] nobody is disagreeing that we need to have,

[3:00:42] have to or not need to have this program.

[3:00:44] Right? I think it's more about how we sustain that program.

[3:00:47] That's what we are going after it.

[3:00:49] So in the first instance,

[3:00:50] it makes a lot more sense to have the committee

[3:00:52] discussion and everything going on.

[3:00:54] but right now it's very clear that we need to have this program in order to keep their legs safe, right?

[3:00:59] It's more about having those agreement about or not having that sticker sock of $60 from $20 to $60.

[3:01:07] So I think that probably we might be able to handle it.

[3:01:11] I think we also need more clarity about before we do or invest more into our outreach thing

[3:01:18] because we need like where we are going right right now we don't know like right now like

[3:01:24] let's say we came with this proposal if we got a clear direction on I think it's much easier

[3:01:28] to do the outreach with that because that's what we are getting to but right now I don't

[3:01:33] until unless we have a clear idea about like how much we are going to get it I think we can do

[3:01:40] some outreach like in order to come up to that consensus have talk with vendors but it would

[3:01:48] limited until let's we have a clear direction about like how much the sticker is going to be.

[3:01:53] Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, okay. Any other

[3:01:57] impression you from us at this point? No, I think we are good. I think we've got some direction,

[3:02:02] and then we will come back in a few months and we can go from there. Okay. All right, then I

[3:02:08] think we can go ahead and conclude this item for today. Thank you for bringing it in,

[3:02:14] appreciate the work. Thank you.

[3:02:18] And we are down to everything except for reports.

[3:02:23] So I'm

[3:02:24] thinking of we would do reports and then take a lunch so staff can get lunch and then come back

[3:02:34] ahead. Do you want to start by the first? Yeah last

[3:02:43] week we had the first lake of San

[3:02:46] board meeting and clear lake and scheduled the next two meetings out and the Black

[3:02:55] Break Popular Festival was incredible. Once again, thank you to all the volunteers.

[3:03:00] So, a biggest one yet. And then this week, I've got a meeting with staff this afternoon

[3:03:14] Tomorrow, three different meetings here at the courthouse.

[3:03:18] It looks like, and the C-Sect tour Thursday morning,

[3:03:26] geothermal meeting,

[3:03:32] Friday,

[3:03:36] several meetings, and then a dinner in the evening on Friday,

[3:03:41] and then there's the fair, and then, no meeting next week.

[3:03:47] Thank you.

[3:03:49] Somebody ready?

[3:03:50] Sure.

[3:03:51] I'll just highlight what's going on on Thursday.

[3:03:54] Did it once last year?

[3:03:56] I don't remember if it ever happened before that.

[3:03:58] Or if it's a new thing, the California State Association of Counties is

[3:04:02] brings their current president and gives tours of counties.

[3:04:07] We organize the tours for them.

[3:04:10] They'll be coming in on Thursday and

[3:04:13] excited to share everybody's district but my own to show off what's going on. We had to

[3:04:20] trim off a little bit of fat from the itinerary. We'll just talk about what's happening in

[3:04:25] district too and that'll be fine but I'm excited to show off what Lake County is working on

[3:04:30] is planning and is actively doing and in the last time they came here they were kind of enamored

[3:04:35] with all the work that we've been doing and I suspect that they'll be leaving with the same feeling as

[3:04:41] So, thank you to all of you for taking time out of your day, so we can all meet separately and keep the brown act from having any issues

[3:04:50] But I'm looking forward to that day. I think it's always good to have

[3:04:53] statewide advocacy group come and visit us. Yeah, it was Bruce was president last and we did

[3:05:00] Right. Yeah. Yeah. In the jail wasn't built yet. I mean, not the jail, the new sheriff's office.

[3:05:07] Because we went out there. Supervisor Owen.

[3:05:13] Yesterday we had the energy ad hoc committee.

[3:05:17] And they will be coming and speaking to our CSAC on Thursday as well.

[3:05:31] I have fire-wise tomorrow and the CSX on Thursday as well as I think we have the Geothermal

[3:05:41] Advisory Committee on Thursday as well and then I have a dermatologist appointment on Friday

[3:05:49] and I do have some meetings with some constituents this week and the Blue Ribbon Dinner for

[3:05:59] County Fair is at 7 p.m. at Friday here at the Fairgrounds. And so this is the Lake County Fair

[3:06:08] Week, and I hope everybody makes it out to the Fair. You said 7, I thought it's 6.

[3:06:15] Oh, it might be. I might have wrote it down wrong. Thank you. Supervisor On. Last week, I had a first five

[3:06:22] meeting and a Lake O'SAN board meeting last Friday. I went to the big valley, housing

[3:06:31] groundbreaking for their new housing project that's in put in that's going to be over

[3:06:37] 20 new homes out there. I went to the Blackberry Festival, which is a great event in the county.

[3:06:45] I'll be at the C-Sector for the stuff in the Lakeport district. Most of the morning on Thursday

[3:06:53] I think we have a COC that day.

[3:06:58] Hopefully I'll be able to make that.

[3:07:01] I have some follow-up meetings on Friday.

[3:07:05] I'm planning to go to the fair dinner.

[3:07:08] And then we next week, no meeting, but we have a Laco San meeting.

[3:07:13] Again, next week.

[3:07:15] And then we have the co-management agreement,

[3:07:20] signing out a big valley on Friday next and then next Saturday will be several, they

[3:07:31] have the Scotts Valley big time event in California, Indian day going on at Scotts

[3:07:38] Valley and big valley tribes and then on Saturday of next week also the 12th

[3:07:45] have a new Holocaust survivor display at the museum or they haven't event. So anyway that's

[3:07:53] it for our reports and it's 12.04 we're going to take a lunch break to 105 but I'm going

[3:08:02] to read out the clothes. Can I do that before? Because we don't have any other open items.

[3:08:09] So, when we come back at 105, I'll read off the items, 8.1, conference with legal counsel,

[3:08:16] significant exposure to litigation, pursuant to government code section 5.4, 9.5.6.9.D.2,

[3:08:23] and E1.1 case, but we're going to strike that from our agenda. We're not going to be

[3:08:28] taking that up today. And then we'll have 8.2, which we will take up, and that is public

[3:08:36] employee discipline dismissal release. Are there any comments on any of that? Not seeing any

[3:08:44] online or in the room, so with that we're going to be adjourned from regular meeting and we'll

[3:08:50] go straight into closed at 105 when we get back. Thank you.

[3:09:09] I have a motion. In a second,

[3:09:11] All in favor, I opposed hearing none that carries 40 and this meeting is concluded.

[3:09:21] Thank you.

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