[0:14] The time is 6 o'clock. We are at the Lake Point Fire Station. It's November 15th, 2023. We are calling the Lake Point City Council to order. We are first going to have a prayer by the mayor.

[0:31] And we'll be letting the pledge of allegiance by myself and we'll go to that point.

[0:40] We have to find him like other.

[0:41] Thank you so much for this beautiful day that we have today and the chance that we have

[0:45] to get together and to make some decisions that we can for late point, please bless us that

[0:50] we may have the best interests of our city in mind that we may be able to be let and inspire

[0:56] to do what's best for them.

[0:58] Thank you so much for all those that are willing to serve in the time that they commit and

[1:01] and get to the city without they don't learn to say these things, and I'm Jesus Christ.

[1:05] Thank you.

[1:06] Anyone?

[1:07] Everybody, please arise.

[1:11] If you have to meet, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

[1:17] and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, individual, with liberty and justice for all.

[1:29] I

[1:34] am Jonathan Gerard. I am presiding at this meeting. We'll do our roll call next. So Jonathan Gerard, I am here.

[1:43] Dan, it's not here. Doyle,

[1:48] Ryan, Kathleen, Jamie, Rob. Here. We have a full council. Doyle is joining us by phone tonight.

[2:00] and our city recorder and city attorney is here.

[2:07] We are on to item number six, which is our legal training.

[2:12] I do not receive any questions, but does anyone have anything?

[2:17] I just, under for the hiring and planning zoning, how art is,

[2:25] I know we know in close sessions

[2:26] and do interviews.

[2:27] If we might have been indicated, we might have did it incorrectly.

[2:30] the last time do we have to go back in to open to vote? How does that all work?

[2:34] Good question. Yes, so the actual appointment needs to happen as part of an open

[2:39] session. The appointment because we both isn't in when we're in close session. You

[2:43] can have the head nod of all right we're down to these people or we can't

[2:49] go that but you can't formalize any decision. Okay so even if you do a head nod in

[2:54] there it doesn't matter and after the session some of my change in my mind and

[2:59] and there's nothing binding from the closed session

[3:01] because you cannot make a decision in there.

[3:03] But you could say, all right,

[3:05] you know, how's everyone feeling about John Doe?

[3:08] And I'm kind of just like, I kind of like him,

[3:10] I kind of like him, I kind of like him, so all right.

[3:12] Something that might be it, let's go and, you know,

[3:14] prepare that and see if we actually get,

[3:16] you know, the resolution to actually point them past.

[3:19] Okay, and then worst case scenario,

[3:22] come out in three of us that changed mind

[3:24] and we don't have a majority.

[3:26] What happens about when you go back into closed session

[3:28] and to sketch more or just...

[3:31] You'd make a second motion, maybe it's...

[3:33] Now there's a Jane Smith, also was one of the candidates

[3:37] and the three people changed my mind, is it...

[3:40] You know what, after five minutes of reflection, I think, you know,

[3:43] she's the better candidate, so I would rather move to do that

[3:46] so you can do it.

[3:47] And if not, you could go back into closed session,

[3:51] you'd have to do the whole motion again,

[3:53] do the whole recording thing again, but it is possible to do that.

[3:55] Okay, just curious.

[3:57] I think we should go ahead and get one of the right ones, yeah.

[4:00] Okay.

[4:01] All right.

[4:02] Okay.

[4:02] Thank you.

[4:05] Any other questions for Rob at this time?

[4:08] Nope.

[4:10] Okay.

[4:11] We are to item number seven, which is our public comment or one of our public comment sections.

[4:18] Uh, if there's any members, well, first of all, we should, is there any members of the public

[4:23] that would like to make comment tonight?

[4:26] Yes.

[4:26] Let us officially open us up motion by Kathleen second by Dan all in favor. Hi. Hi, I passed unanimously

[4:39] I'm sure

[4:40] All right, thank you. I'm Mark Ross

[4:42] My wife and I

[4:47] own a home there and

[4:49] We moved in in March. We bought the home in the last October in March and I attended one city council meeting since

[4:57] I'm attending a night to comments on can I approach here?

[5:02] Yeah.

[5:04] The home-based business ordinance, its item AE, my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong.

[5:12] My understanding is that the current status is you are considering up to five employees of a home-based business, is that correct?

[5:22] and up to 12 vehicles parked at a residence. On average 12 a day is what's written in there right now.

[5:33] Okay, I'm here on behalf of my wife and myself and I can quote one neighbor in opposition to that.

[5:42] But I don't oppose the business per se, but the vehicle traffic.

[5:52] These are residences that are dense with children, kids, dogs, few sidewalks.

[6:03] My street has sidewalks and there's a few around there, but Iron Horse doesn't have

[6:09] sidewalks and that's it that's a north-south street like short doesn't have

[6:17] sidewalks I was trying to think so so we have we have kids dogs few sidewalks

[6:26] and a dozen on average or you'd say seven vehicles in front of a business

[6:32] or in front of a home-based business daily is going to be a burden on the

[6:36] neighbors in parking it's a hassle.

[6:39] Are you talking being parked out front?

[6:41] Yeah, they're supposed to be providing on-site parking.

[6:45] OK, OK.

[6:49] My neighbor across the street also, if I could quote him,

[6:54] he doesn't oppose the business per se.

[6:56] He's all for the tax revenue that it'll bring in and all

[6:59] of that.

[7:01] And his view is as long as the cars are on site,

[7:06] He's fine with it.

[7:08] So that's how he feels.

[7:11] I still think 12 is too many.

[7:14] I also fear demands on electricity and water and things like that.

[7:21] And this is a residential area.

[7:23] And I wanted to keep on feeling residential.

[7:26] I don't want it to feel and look like business is there all the time.

[7:30] May I ask you on your fear of electricity?

[7:36] I don't think that we've allowed anything to major, to be allowed.

[7:41] So what is your fear of electricity, the power company?

[7:45] Okay, so this is all speculation now because I don't have a crystal ball.

[7:49] But if you have a home-based business that suddenly has a huge demand for electricity,

[7:57] And I can think off the hand right now, block chain mining or something like that.

[8:02] I can be behind the curb, but some of those will just do a sudden, extreme demand in electricity.

[8:09] I have no idea what people have been mined for up here.

[8:13] I don't know if it's multi-level marketing or what's going on.

[8:16] I don't know what kind of businesses are currently going, so I confess ignorance on some of that.

[8:21] But since I don't know what I don't know, I have to imagine that home-based business could include anything like that.

[8:30] But my main concern out of all of this is the traffic, the extra cars, the density.

[8:39] I oppose, I firmly oppose 12.

[8:44] and you are still opposed to that even if it's just coming from our local town

[8:49] the traffic people usually support home-based businesses in their home town so

[8:56] most of those people going to that home maybe they could be from outside but

[9:01] they could be right here from town not really adding to the flow because if you're

[9:06] going to go to a traffic or if you're going to go to a business outside of the

[9:09] location. You're going to be driving on the exact same road.

[9:12] Well, as you phrase that, as you phrase that, yeah, actually, yes, if they're from right

[9:20] here, they don't, I mean, you know, unless that's really bad weather, you can just walk

[9:25] or take a bicycle. I mean, if they're coming from Stansbury, they're going to bring a car.

[9:29] They're coming from Tuella or Ranchville or around the band here. So if I'm understanding

[9:36] you correctly, you're more opposed to people that are living outside of town coming into town?

[9:41] No, I'm opposed to I'm opposed to business as a lure from more cars than the residential area

[9:49] ought to bear. That's what I'm that's my precise and most strong opinion on this. It ought to no matter

[10:00] what you guys do it ought to look and feel and remain residential and it should be

[10:07] safe for kids dogs it should be there shouldn't be lots of cars coming in to

[10:15] these these residential areas every day a party a wedding that's that's all

[10:23] one shot and you're done we all have to live our lives that way and I'm not a

[10:27] the home-based business, I'm opposed to 12 cars coming to a place daily. It doesn't

[10:35] comport with what my wife and I thought we were buying into here. So I mean if you

[10:41] have three cars extra coming in, that's one thing, that 12, I pose it. And then I pose

[10:49] it pretty strongly, and I pose it strongly enough, and rather than I have to get involved

[10:54] in city politics, but I feel that strongly about it.

[10:59] If it turns out, you pass that, and there's one home-based business that has that, then

[11:06] maybe I won't care.

[11:07] If it's off in the corner or something, but if these home-based businesses with lots

[11:13] of traffic pop up everywhere, and it's a real thing where traffic is turning into what

[11:20] I fear it could turn into then may I ask another follow-up question please are you also opposed

[11:29] to having right share people coming into town to pick up people to go into work and things

[11:38] like that like the UTA van shares I don't think so I don't think so I need to know more

[11:43] details it I think that's a great idea so just you know there could be multiple vans coming

[11:48] again and picking up people. There is just wondering I had I had a similar thought. I don't

[11:56] know if there's there's a way that I don't know what went the city owns or what kind of provisions

[12:03] could be that that might be a way to swage my concerns and I don't know have you guys done a public

[12:13] opinion survey on this at all? We have several. They've been up online. They've been on our

[12:20] for a couple of weeks.

[12:24] It was a long time.

[12:25] I think not specific to where we are now.

[12:28] We put it out the over and over again.

[12:30] The ordinance goes out each meeting.

[12:31] I see.

[12:32] And I know, first of all, let me back up.

[12:35] Let me express gratitude for all the work you guys are doing.

[12:38] I know how well, I guess I don't know.

[12:43] I do know that it's a lot of work.

[12:45] And I know each of you have your hands full,

[12:47] and I appreciate that.

[12:48] appreciate your work and staff's work and I am sincerely grateful for all of it but when you get

[12:57] opinions on this you have to be careful I think that you don't get simply self-selecting squeaky

[13:05] wheel and I know often you know those who show up get to get to have more than most influence but

[13:13] But if you were to go door to door and get random sample responses, like responsible, political, political, whatever, whatever, I'm just guessing here, but I'm guessing most of my fellow residents would also be opposed to up to 12 vehicles daily.

[13:31] And when you fashion ordinances for the majority, I encourage you to put yourself in those shoes, if that's correct, if I'm wrong and wrong, but if there is a majority, if there's a silent majority out there eating dinner and they're not coming down here, if they, if they were asked, what would they would say?

[13:51] On the surveys, one of the common answers was five vehicles per hour, and there was a big percentage of that of the people that responded, but as you said, squeaky will get so

[14:07] self-selected, but it went to some went to business owners. There was a business

[14:14] owners here may some went to the general population. You could answer on both of

[14:19] them and say that you couldn't.

[14:22] Well I got mostly 30 somethings around me. I got a couple on this side with a

[14:29] toddler and another couple on this side with a toddler and the husband's

[14:33] can you couple us the home moms? I didn't get their opinions in time for this, but I'm

[14:42] pretty sure they wouldn't want it, you know, up to 12. Mark, can I ask you, Claire? Please,

[14:46] you talked about it. It wasn't widespread. Like if it was just one over and a quarter,

[14:52] you'd consider that, okay, so as you're concerned that every business can have up to 12,

[14:56] or what would you phrase your concern in?

[14:59] Whoa!

[15:00] You have to make, you have to make law, you have to make ordinance for everybody. So it's going to play equally to everybody. And I have no idea what's, what's, what's pushing this. I don't know if it's somebody on the city council or if it's somebody lobbying you guys for this ordinance. I knew to you talk. This is, this is new to me. I just, um,

[15:29] So, if you make a law for everybody, I have to suppose that people are going to take advantage of the ordinance.

[15:38] I'm just saying in reality, if you pass it, as my understanding as the draft exists, and reality plays out the where,

[15:53] are, oh, my fears didn't come to pass, well, then there's no need for me to worry further

[16:03] right, but if you pass it as is, and I'm seeing traffic everywhere on these residential

[16:09] streets, and my fears are affirmed, then I will, you know, do further citizen activism,

[16:21] It isn't my suppose, but if you have, if there's some other things you can do,

[16:33] ahead

[16:33] of time to keep that from happening, if there's some right share things, I don't know

[16:38] I happen.

[16:40] So I'm just trying to understand your concern on traffic mainly because that's the one issue

[16:46] that you brought up, is you're bringing up a lot of traffic throughout the neighborhood.

[16:50] But that's my main that's my main concern. So I mean, I've lived here my entire life. My dad was born here

[16:57] and he lived here his entire life. My grandpa was born here. So I've seen traffic change throughout the years

[17:02] I have a lot of bad children, and I know what traffic is like around here.

[17:09] I've also dealt with a lot of people here throughout the years. It's had their own little home-based businesses throughout the years.

[17:16] middle? Yeah. What do you mean by middle? Some of them are just doing like occasional

[17:26] metal work or woodworking type thing. That's fine stuff like that but they do have people

[17:34] come in and pick up product. Yeah they bring it out so I mean look I understand that and

[17:43] And I'm not, I am not trying to change anybody's way of life.

[17:46] It seems like this ordinance is what's the change.

[17:49] I mean, I see Amazon and FedEx and UPS all day long, right?

[17:54] We live in that kind of economy right now, everywhere.

[17:58] Right.

[17:59] But now we're talking about adding to that and now we're in double

[18:04] digit where it does in vehicles parked at a place.

[18:09] So in addition to UPS and the post office and the construction and FedEx, now it's 12

[18:19] more out of place.

[18:22] So I mean, you know, if it's all ran to, then that's one thing, but the city has decided

[18:33] to incorporate and become city and we've got these residential areas.

[18:37] the residential. I would love to see, I would love, I plan to grow old here and join my

[18:44] grandkids and probably die here. So I'd love to, I'd love it to keep the residential

[18:51] look and feel and enjoy the safety of.

[18:56] I believe this community is a rural community, even your lot is tied to an acre of ground, at

[19:04] least when they got your lock even though it's not an anchor. There was at least an acre of

[19:10] round set of sight including your area of your lock. So if you're like a quarter of an acre or

[19:16] eighth of an acre then there's seven or eight or three quarters of an acre set of sight as open space.

[19:23] That's how your development ended up here at a late point.

[19:28] Well it's wonderful. I like it. I mean it's great. And again grateful to all you do. I just wanted

[19:33] express that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mark. Thank you very much.

[19:36] I have one more question. Just very clear. There was a right away question. You're asking

[19:41] our recording. Who owns what? Oh, yeah. I brought this up before the meeting. There is a,

[19:50] there is a path. It looks like a common path. You can look right here. Yes. You mentioned by

[20:06] Okay,

[20:09] there is a path, and I believe it's this section here, that connects Saddleback and Collette.

[20:20] And that path is, that's a common path between two houses and it has gravel on it.

[20:26] I don't know which jurisdiction oversees that path.

[20:28] but the north, if your computer laptop map is oriented

[20:35] the top edge of your computer north, then it's the northwest end on the colette side.

[20:44] Probably a third of that path stores water.

[20:47] It's under, as the precipitation is snow melts in as water hits that path.

[20:54] it settles here in the northwest half of the path and doesn't flow to the

[21:01] curb or the drain it settles right here and I wanted to bring that to the

[21:06] attention of whoever whichever entity so the Agioe original that I need to see

[21:14] if that transfer to the park district okay either way we'll get someone to

[21:17] resolve I appreciate it needs a little fill a little grading I don't think it's that

[21:21] big of a deal but it does need that. I'm for my houses right there.

[21:28] Yeah. Yeah. Thank you Mark.

[21:30] Thank you for the thank you. We are in public comment if you'd like to make a public comment.

[21:38] Sure. Have you signed it on the paper? I have. Please do so. Okay.

[21:56] The reason why I'm here is

[21:57] As soon as I do have a business in my home, I install blinds for home depots.

[22:04] Can you say your name?

[22:05] I'm Dan.

[22:06] So, S-O-L-T.

[22:09] I've been installing blinds since 1977.

[22:13] I've always had basically just a small office in my home.

[22:16] I don't have cars coming or going.

[22:19] It's just me.

[22:20] And I have my pickup truck.

[22:22] But home depots do require that I have a business license in the city that I live in.

[22:27] And I just moved here.

[22:28] and you don't have them.

[22:30] And I've actually talked to Jamie in the text book.

[22:33] I have talked to some last few years there.

[22:35] They're okay now, but they would prefer they have a license

[22:38] from the city that I live.

[22:40] So that's what I'm requesting, is it?

[22:42] Just to have a license like from my office out of my home.

[22:46] And what we are trying to get past

[22:48] it gives you the option to get a license

[22:51] if you would like, or if you would so desire.

[22:53] Yes, I would.

[22:55] So we'll have to see if it gives past tonight or if there's some changes.

[23:01] I don't know yet.

[23:02] I feel that most people's home businesses don't have a lot of traffic.

[23:07] As I say, it's just me.

[23:10] There's no one ever coming to my home.

[23:12] There's just me going out to people's homes and stands.

[23:15] Very grand.

[23:16] So I'll go wherever to install blinds in their home.

[23:19] So, anyways, that's all I had to request, okay?

[23:25] Thank you.

[23:26] Thank you.

[23:32] Thanks.

[23:35] Thanks for coming.

[23:37] Any other members of the public in the tank to comment?

[23:42] Seeing none.

[23:46] A motion to close public comment.

[23:48] Kathleen is motion to close public comment.

[23:51] Sorry,

[23:53] thank you.

[23:54] You can take one.

[23:54] There's extras there.

[23:55] Yeah, yeah.

[23:56] Second by Ryan.

[23:58] Thank you.

[23:58] Any further discussion?

[24:18] So, I do see the employees ten and under more than ten, I just couldn't find the

[24:29] So, I know we talked about that though. I don't know, wait, I just don't know the name of the survey.

[24:35] I don't know the name of the survey.

[24:38] Well, that's just what I want to bring up, because I have the double surveys here and couldn't see that.

[24:49] And it could be done, because I just did it in surveys.

[24:52] I know.

[25:01] Definitely majority said off-street parking.

[25:06] Procursors and employees get that one.

[25:09] Oh, none of mine had found it.

[25:10] What number is it? 11 on the, oh yeah, right there. I was looking for how much traffic. Yeah, how much other numbers.

[25:22] Yep, we have. Thank you for seeing me. Well, we have 40 people respond, right?

[25:32] Yeah.

[25:37] The people that responded to that. So. All right,

[25:43] that's all.

[25:49] Public comment

[25:51] by Kathleen and a second by Ryan and just finished further discussion and so all in favor. Hi

[26:00] I

[26:02] Have unanimously we

[26:11] are to item number eight a

[26:14] Our post-mortitorium permit approval.

[26:21] Is there only the two on that Jamie correct?

[26:37] Is it a two number 1011?

[26:39] in. Correct. Okay. You guys have that? Yeah.

[26:48] Dole, are you on there? Yes. So

[26:50] pretty sure the top guys Fernando, Fernando, I just went off of them. Is the one that came in

[26:56] Doyle and I were working on 7P, saw it seriously, stopped and changed, stopped, and now it's about

[27:01] it in County and told them that they had no permit. I wanted to miss the reason I wanted to look

[27:06] we look at basement finished permit costs that will do that at a different time, but I think

[27:12] that needs to be reassessed, so I'd like everybody to look at that email and respond to

[27:16] so we can properly have our lawyer rewrite that, but I think it's too high what we have

[27:23] down for our building permit, which the building of visual hit suggested, and now he's recommending

[27:29] doing some adjustments on that, so we need to look at that.

[27:32] Anyway, so this gentleman came in and, again, Jamie's never to call him to make sure that

[27:38] county. Still had his permit. They do. He's ready for the 4 way or 3 way or whatever.

[27:47] It's a 4 way or 3 way.

[27:51] I'm like I'm on a construction. There's maybe no more than

[27:54] I. No. Is it 4 way now? It's a 4 way. I'm just sorry. Sorry. I think 4 way. Okay.

[28:01] Well, we were trying to find out we've been information from them and finally got the fact that he had pretty well finished his project or at least, you know, he needs to have that inspection to be able to then be in to put dry well up and close in the walls and those kind of things.

[28:17] So he was on his way, well on his way and we asked him to get a hold of Jamie to make sure that she was aware of it.

[28:28] Jamie, so I'm a list just going to solve it. Mark Tizz is closed. Yes. Closed not being finished.

[28:34] Do you want to ask me? That's what he called. He told me his permit was no longer valid.

[28:40] It says closed and others actually say canceled. So you think it's a cancel?

[28:46] Yes. Did you talk to him or did you talk to him? I talked to Fernando.

[28:50] You know the county though? Yes. As I talked to him. Yes.

[28:54] Yes.

[28:54] I didn't talk to her on the short leave one.

[28:56] You just leave him out.

[28:57] The problem was, was I called him and said, will you go through your permit, send me all

[29:04] of the stuff.

[29:04] So if there was something that kind of was sitting for a little while, they closed it.

[29:08] Yeah.

[29:09] And I was worried about that.

[29:10] That's why I'm like, oh.

[29:11] But the last two that you've done are in the same button that you've approved to go for.

[29:16] Yes.

[29:16] So they will open it.

[29:18] My word.

[29:18] Yeah.

[29:18] I'm just going to throw it on those clothes.

[29:20] County's fine.

[29:21] They're totally fine.

[29:23] They were just kind of doing what I was asking.

[29:25] But I really was asking them to close things.

[29:26] It was just like, we got to sort through

[29:28] because we got to let people know that it's ended.

[29:31] They're done.

[29:33] And yeah.

[29:33] So people keep reaching out and they're like,

[29:36] oh, we just kind of closed that.

[29:37] But we're okay opening it.

[29:38] So if they're fine, running it and taking care of it,

[29:41] that's why I just want to make sure that they're okay to continue on.

[29:43] Yes, to the end of the year.

[29:44] Certainly is the same boat on that one.

[29:47] But my second question or statement would be, we probably need to have Jared not work on

[29:52] it until we approve it.

[29:53] He's logged three things he's worked on here before we approved extending it.

[29:57] That could cause his problems with his people.

[30:02] Chair Brown, 1113, and 1190, electrical framing and plumbing inspections.

[30:10] So I worry that if we're working on something that's not been approved by the council to extend.

[30:16] If we do that, then they're going to have even less time to be able to finish up their projects by the end of the year.

[30:23] I understand, but it wouldn't be proper if the council has approved it to work done on it.

[30:27] But my original, my question was, what my question was when he walked in, was he on the original ILA?

[30:32] Ah, I'd have to go back into it.

[30:35] Because if he, that was on like, if he was on the original ILA, he has until December 31st anyway, unless they just arbitrarily closed him on accident.

[30:42] That was my...

[30:43] There was...

[30:44] Looking out on 22 I guess.

[30:46] So he's...

[30:47] Perfect.

[30:48] That doesn't mean he was on the original playlist.

[30:51] Well, he might be on the one that was on the list list.

[30:54] Right, exactly.

[30:54] So I don't know which one, okay, that would take me some digging if you want to, I just didn't know if you knew because then it would, he would have, they just, they mistakenly closed it.

[31:04] He should have had to the 30th or so, in that case, Jerry would have been totally fine to work on that because he would have been on the original ILA and have an authorization to continue working on it.

[31:14] And then I'll send the county just closed it.

[31:16] The permit date was February 22 or February 22.

[31:21] second of 22.

[31:26] That was on your original ILA. It was on the original ILA. So, so, so

[31:32] they, so it's okay to know no inspection. Then it's like, I don't. Yeah. Okay. He was on

[31:40] here. He was on the original. Okay. So, so he would have authorization to continue working on.

[31:45] I think when we ask them for the list is when they probably closed it because I said it's

[31:50] Yeah, that's that's what triggered that yeah, it wasn't and it wasn't the intention

[31:54] It was just like let's yeah, we just need to figure it out and let them

[31:58] Yeah, I think though if they did not close it there would have been no action because that caused him to make contact

[32:03] No, he would know no no no nothing no other contact here on any of the record

[32:07] But he was he was ready to do the four-way and that's what he contacted to get the inspection and they said oh you're close. You can't have it

[32:21] Right, but we just recently contacted the county

[32:26] And they might be only reaching out to the ones that are still like within a window, where his was in the beginning of 2022.

[32:34] That's a pretty hard long time.

[32:38] I don't care if approving these two.

[32:44] Are you making a motion?

[32:46] I'm not sure.

[32:47] I'm not sure if you could pull them.

[32:48] Let me get them in.

[32:48] Do you want to worry?

[32:53] Take three.

[32:54] Thank you, Doyle.

[32:59] I was expecting you to read a lot so I wasn't listening so I got I have Fernando. Oh, I'm sure what was Fernando?

[33:06] Surely it's lasting. Yeah, she only is surely on here, but I have her permit number 1554.

[33:11] So do it that way. Good job. Yeah, this is good.

[33:18] All right, I'm hoping to approve her

[33:21] Number one, four, eight, eight, three, and number one, five, five, or six, to go back to the county for completion on December 31st, 2020.

[33:33] I'll second that.

[33:36] So motion by Kathleen, seconded by myself. Jonathan, further discussion.

[33:43] Is that all the time? Is that all the time we need for these guys?

[33:46] That's when the island ends, yeah.

[33:48] Oh, okay, okay. So that's all I got.

[33:50] Just briefly, I want to, again, reflect a clear record on these.

[33:53] I support approving them, but Janet and Stephanie emails all the people in October,

[33:58] telling them that comments would be closing.

[34:00] So I think we generated the action for people contacting us as they were notified.

[34:04] So just to make sure that that has helped us get people coming out.

[34:09] I think so.

[34:09] I think because then may be in May?

[34:11] So May 25, I emailed all actors who went to the deadline tooin訓 them.

[34:15] We have marked just this close, so then they contact you after.

[34:19] Yeah, so just be clear, by still supporting it, but I just wanted you to hear accurate on

[34:24] that.

[34:25] Okay.

[34:26] So I don't know if you can go past them.

[34:28] Without?

[34:29] No.

[34:29] I guess then.

[34:32] I guess then.

[34:33] I'm going back to time.

[34:36] All in favor.

[34:37] I.

[34:38] I.

[34:39] I.

[34:40] I ask you now.

[34:41] We are

[34:50] to item 8B, which is our contract renewal for Mike Adams, which is our.

[34:56] John there's two on here.

[34:58] There's not another one.

[34:59] Surely.

[35:01] We.

[35:02] We did both.

[35:03] We did both.

[35:03] Oh, we did both.

[35:03] Are you still okay with that?

[35:05] Yeah, okay. Yeah, she's read both permit numbers. I was focused on some notes.

[35:22] No, we voted

[35:24] oil. We're moving on. Do you have any more comments on that one?

[35:36] Okay, I missed the jerry track that vote.

[35:39] Well, it's a proof until the end of December currently.

[35:42] Yeah.

[35:43] The first case is they don't get it done by December 31st and we'll have to re-look at it.

[35:48] I was wondering about, no, I mean, which re-look.

[35:50] Yeah, they know that.

[35:50] Yeah.

[35:50] They're sweating.

[35:53] If they have not done anything done, they're almost weak.

[36:00] Do you make an emotion for that?

[36:02] They have.

[36:03] If you want that answer.

[36:05] No, I'm just trying to get the clarification.

[36:07] I was talking about one boat, and I thought it was just the first one we were boarding on.

[36:14] So because both per-net numbers were in there, the only way we can change now is a new motion.

[36:22] But Jamie asked some information on Shirley, what is it?

[36:26] Yeah, I think we'll get it down. I'm okay with that, but I'm concerned this is one we talked about.

[36:44] Yeah, we just have come back to us, right? I mean, that's what the default is. So I think that's what we'll do to all this time

[36:49] Giving off a little opportunity, then if not, I guess we'll we send them prior January or

[36:57] Jamie did you have any further details on that? You need to share with us

[37:02] She had mentioned they still need to get the rail and rail rail in and a ladder in and

[37:09] a couple other things like the it's in progress. They just

[37:15] are very busy and are out of town constantly so and they're doing it themselves. So she called because she had to, she's making her husband get it done and I did inform them if you don't have done by this

[37:29] 31st, if the council approves this to be extended, then they'd have to come back to us.

[37:37] Okay, so we're still okay with that.

[37:43] So we are on 8B contractor renewal for Mike Adams who is doing our website at this point.

[37:52] Kathleen, are you kind of giving us the rundown on that one or not?

[37:57] I'm just wondering.

[37:58] On the contract?

[38:00] Contract.

[38:01] Actually, Jamie Doyle been in the middle of that one, but I can give it to you.

[38:04] Well, I can ask Doyle.

[38:05] Yeah, Doyle.

[38:06] Yeah.

[38:10] We're talking about the invoices.

[38:13] Sorry. Do you have really stocking over everybody?

[38:16] Oh, sorry. We're in the invoices and renewing the contract for Mike Adams.

[38:27] Requested from

[39:04] the services provided that have no issues with it.

[39:09] So, unless someone else has a problem.

[39:32] I'm looking at the one that's uploaded online and it's the old one. It's 1695. It's not shown the three percent.

[39:39] So I think he might have sent over.

[39:42] Is that the one look as old-end voice?

[39:44] Is that the number?

[39:45] January 20, 2023. That's the first attachment.

[39:48] Yeah, the one.

[39:50] I'm looking at a 2311 proposal contract.

[39:54] Yeah, I'm looking for a proposal contract out there to his website.

[40:00] I have the same number on it.

[40:05] After you've seen that one.

[40:07] I went to the one that was leaked.

[40:09] I did not know.

[40:10] Oh, I think.

[40:11] Let's find the.

[40:13] I'm going to check it out.

[40:14] 16.95 was still there.

[40:17] So I just went to this one.

[40:19] It's a proposal.

[40:21] November of 2023.

[40:23] I'm sorry.

[40:23] So I just went to this one.

[40:23] It's a proposal.

[40:24] I'm sorry.

[40:25] Okay.

[40:26] So I looked at a different one.

[40:27] I was looking at email.

[40:28] He's the one that says 11.

[40:30] Yeah, I've seen the one now.

[40:31] I don't see the 1695.

[40:33] It could be added to your total.

[40:34] That's like, I see, we're going to pay by chance

[40:38] so that we don't have the three percent.

[40:40] So we won't have it because we don't have the three percent.

[40:41] Just down at the bottom, it says the proposal,

[40:44] if he doesn't have it added into the 1695,

[40:47] it does say down the bottom, if we do use a credit card,

[40:50] there will be three percent.

[40:51] But if we pay by chance, the total should be 1695.

[40:57] is my understanding.

[41:01] Yeah and I think he said he already included the three percent in

[41:08] the chart the one that I looked at. But that is something that I can I don't

[41:30] know

[41:30] what it is again this year, so I would be, I would be okay proposing to just authorize

[41:37] a $16.95 payment and then you can get the receipt to reflect what you need to.

[41:42] I think the only problem I have with Mike is he's been incredibly good.

[41:47] So he's excited to all our expectations, you know, a lot of people talk about him.

[41:51] He's like, he puts his, I think, first priority, he's been a beautiful experience.

[41:55] He apologizes overly if he's an hour responding to my email.

[41:59] What do I am at midnight? He's amazing. Yeah, he's been good. Definitely good.

[42:06] So I'm mostly to prove pain. Oh, sorry. Wait, wait. Okay, one more thing.

[42:11] I think to do it right. I love to really contract up to the illegal allowable of the five-year total max.

[42:18] Is this have a five-year total max from? You want to go five years or less?

[42:22] We have to leave it after some things for after five years.

[42:25] You won't lock in a break.

[42:26] I'm going to just get this one off our books.

[42:29] Can we pay?

[42:29] Can they propose a five-year contract?

[42:32] No.

[42:33] We can go back to him and talk to him about doing five-year contract.

[42:36] Look at that fee.

[42:37] That much annually.

[42:38] Oh.

[42:39] Yeah.

[42:40] You could motion to make that counter-proposal.

[42:45] But that sounds like what he's proposed is just a one-year contract.

[42:47] Yeah.

[42:48] That's all we've asked him for.

[42:50] Jim, I mean, so if you want to have that discussion, that's up to the council.

[42:52] I think it'd be good to do something like that if you want.

[42:54] And then based with the option that we can just review it every year, and then I guess we'd have the op-out option

[43:00] And he went to and forbid he, you know, get sick or doesn't want to work for this or he shouldn't know it's business

[43:04] So that'd be something we could we could do. Hey, we could lock in the race and then they say we just we know this. I'd rather go back to him

[43:10] Topped him before we vote it in then. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. We don't want to just yeah

[43:15] What if he doesn't want to lock in? She would just approve it in one year, and then we can go back and then bring it back

[43:20] That'd be okay

[43:30] I think the one thing I think about the contract, too, would be kind of nice to have it locked in and say, look, we get lucky for five years, but we just renew it, and we have some opt-outs for both parties, you know, and then the benefit for him is you have a contract of the five years, we do every year, we still look at it.

[43:51] The good thing is the city would be if he lost in the same rate for that inflation or guard or whatever you want to call it for him

[43:57] It would be a continuum business so the wind went to both parties.

[44:07] I think

[44:07] Yeah, and I think you'd be open about that. What do you think of that Doyle?

[44:26] It's reliable to find somebody new that wants to work on a website, somebody else created, so.

[44:33] And I keep getting calls from other website designers that I originally contacted,

[44:37] and then none of them even start to sound that way using.

[44:41] That's not cool.

[44:43] You shot very well, Captain.

[44:45] And I would like to take you to the option.

[44:56] The only other ask though is that we just basically do another thing where he gets the business for.

[45:00] To five years, we just renew it year after year, though, so review it. As a line item on the finance, and then if you want to opt out, we opt out, we give each other what, what maybe 90 days. Yeah, because that way, because if we need to find somebody, we need some elimination period or some period of time, or we can look for somebody. Yeah. And then the benefit for him, if he's willing to keep the costs the same, that's actually a plus for us. And then for him, he'd get to you know, business as long as everyone's happy, people are totally happy. And so that's not the other way to go.

[45:33] Yeah, I mean, when I have to 3% whatever you guys, you know, maybe, let's see what Mike comes up with. He might just be happy and tickle pink.

[45:40] But I think he's been exceptional. He's local and great.

[45:45] Honestly, I can look at it a lot before I understand it includes anything we ever want, you know, from him.

[45:52] That's not also what IT world does.

[45:56] So in that contract, is there any maintenance and care or anything that goes wrong?

[46:03] You're right Ryan, I totally agree with that one.

[46:05] Yeah, I've never seen that before.

[46:06] Yeah, I've never seen that before.

[46:07] Is there any change to page name for me today?

[46:09] Yeah, I don't like the page name.

[46:11] Let's do it.

[46:11] Yeah, so his contract, according to our CD recorder, expires on the 30th of this month.

[46:19] Yep.

[46:22] So, so give your night together an idea, last night, I emailed him at 8.23. He responded at 8.36.

[46:34] I think he's-

[46:34] What it says is famous unlimited customer service and that's clearly what we're getting.

[46:38] Well, and he's under 24 hours. I've never seen him go over 24 hours ever.

[46:42] So my thought is won't you motion to prove at least a one year with the option to come back and do what Ryan's

[46:49] Is actually a great idea with those provisions I wanted in there or what you guys want as well

[46:58] Yeah, I like to see Mike. Yeah, Mike and down business. I miss Mike

[47:09] That's my love my

[47:13] So we're really wanting to

[47:15] need to do that for tonight.

[47:18] I don't think he was born to do it.

[47:21] I'm not going to be on the

[47:21] front.

[47:23] I'm sorry.

[47:24] I just want to give you this opportunity.

[47:25] I'm going to do it.

[47:26] Get the target down and bring it back.

[47:29] We could do that though.

[47:30] I think it's a great idea and then we bring it back.

[47:32] And Jimmy could put on the agenda for the first weekend of

[47:34] December.

[47:35] Yeah, for me, the 29.

[47:36] Yeah, we could just wait 9.

[47:37] Thank you for the expires.

[47:39] Yeah, let's do that.

[47:41] You want me to talk to you?

[47:45] Progeny.

[47:46] No, I'd be fine, Kathleen.

[47:47] I just, I don't want to pick nickels sometimes, but I just saw that in that first one when I went online, and it said it included automatically included 3%.

[47:59] Right.

[48:00] And so?

[48:01] Yeah, I think, yeah.

[48:03] Okay.

[48:05] Between the two of us, we'll get him a little bit of workin' out.

[48:09] Okay.

[48:10] So I just didn't want you to say tonight.

[48:14] I know you do.

[48:15] I'd be cuddling, please.

[48:16] Dan say Dan.

[48:17] And everybody else wants to see you, man, if we can.

[48:19] I love to see him.

[48:20] Since we're all agreement on 29th, Jamie could just put that on the agenda.

[48:23] Yep, we'll see that.

[48:24] Yeah, I'll just do that for sure.

[48:26] All right, I motion to title this until the 29th of November.

[48:32] Second.

[48:34] Motion by Kathleen.

[48:37] seconded by Ryan, further discussion?

[48:43] All in favor? I passed unanimously. We are

[48:51] to 8c.

[49:02] I want to mention thank you for Ryan for jumping in there. Did you just want

[49:13] Yeah, when Jimmy and I were at the Utah League of cities and towns, there was a group there that was encouraging

[49:22] different municipalities to display in God we trust at their meetings and to sign that into a resolution.

[49:29] And so that was their petition and trying to get that in as many cities as they could.

[49:33] Do they find it? A lot of say so. No, they don't. They just show me like five.

[49:38] Wow. Ryan, you're the one that edited this? Is that correct?

[49:44] I am. Copy it and paste it. So the only things I...

[49:46] There's something in the last paragraph just above has to prove

[49:49] that an adoptive that doesn't make sense to me.

[49:52] I didn't know what to write.

[49:56] Because all our other ones are very specific. Do you want to go in there and just kind of throw

[49:59] Yeah, whatever we needed. Let's just do it. Let's have you were robbed do it. Thanks. I think we can make this one not too hard

[50:05] Unless you want some time to think about it. Well, I was just it was just that the last sentence in there says

[50:15] No, it's a

[50:16] Hope like any officers of the city council and

[50:20] At all. Yeah, I don't know what exactly that means. That's okay, right?

[50:25] No, I don't know. I didn't know like it was if we could just is that Latin is in Latin dude that's fancy

[50:32] Pull up the original

[50:35] I think the in and out is not supposed to be yeah, that's all right

[50:40] Who's got Jamie do you have any access on this one?

[50:46] Hold up I just want to make sure because I if I made a copy of it

[50:53] I don't want you

[50:56] I really didn't think it needed to be edited, so I didn't make a copy yet, so hold on a minute, I'm sorry Jeanne.

[51:04] And what's fine, I was so worried about the other way you were working on Owen's copy.

[51:11] Okay, so I have a copy now.

[51:16] Okay, are you guys not people on this? You're all editors.

[51:21] Mine says request in it access. Are you in the right drive? Yeah, the one from the me know you're here

[51:28] I got it. I got a badger going on here. So somebody's not in there right account. Oh, someone has a badger gone

[51:37] Go ahead, dude. Why do you need it? I have no I have no objection with this

[51:42] I don't know if you are or if you're ever proud.

[51:45] Sorry.

[51:46] What do you like about it?

[51:48] We're going to fix some of the tiny things.

[51:51] Mainly, to me, it's the fact that somebody's trying to make money on this,

[51:56] where we have to go with a design to God we trust, model.

[52:02] I would like to provide an opportunity for someone just to build something for us.

[52:08] That's the word I was intending.

[52:11] I just didn't know it. Bill sounded too. We can change it. Well, I just I just don't want to be locked in. We got to go with someone back.

[52:22] He's just put slamming these together. The people they actually had it just written on a cart.

[52:30] Some of them just put on his paper and just waited it. It sounds like it was just working out that they have a vendor tied to it. We weren't selling any good stuff.

[52:37] So, the red did you see my human arm?

[52:39] Is it still just a retargett?

[52:42] I would love to find someone in town that would make it like...

[52:45] Yeah, it's on the...

[52:46] Look at the lathe, like the lathe of Carpenter.

[52:48] You make a bunch of wood stuff.

[52:51] You know?

[52:51] Jim, your art does some fantastic stuff.

[52:55] That's where I was thinking.

[52:56] And the apartment does the metal.

[52:58] And then we have some of the new metal cutters.

[53:01] I don't know.

[53:01] You know I just think it's like somebody's quarter-time.

[53:04] Really?

[53:08] That's what I that's what my email said I didn't know how to put it. He doesn't

[53:16] Oh, he was as a hobby. They went full time and then he got to me a request, so we're

[53:26] looking for maybe some of local from here. Everybody right? I think it'd be beautiful. I mean,

[53:31] we got so many walls. We can put some up in here. I mean, it'd be great to have something

[53:34] up and we'd have to just make sure Chief Men was signed with it, but I'm sure he would.

[53:39] Yeah, I don't think so. Well, maybe we can do I'm not sure how they like, for example,

[53:42] the firemen's perv over there. I'm not sure they suck that because of all somehow.

[53:47] Maybe Mark can see what's going on over there, but I think it'd be beautiful as I'm going to say she's

[53:51] in the local support them as well, but also get some that's a very good price for that.

[54:00] Would you guys want more, some more water? Metal food doesn't like that,

[54:03] We'll put some budget aside. I guess I'll be right in the line with just gonna see a lot of this post on the woodwork

[54:12] Yeah, how do you think John?

[54:18] Okay

[54:23] Marches it looked like it they glued their own that fire ones hers up. We're like it's glued on just curious

[54:32] Yeah, it looks like it's solid man. Yeah, there's some sort of adhesives action

[54:39] Okay, I think we just touch up those things which looks like Robert did

[54:45] Nope, okay, who's those cursors in there?

[54:52] Is there a space supposed to be there or your cursors?

[55:02] Is that clear? Yeah

[55:05] Is there anything you want to add to it? Take away. I didn't use comepases from what the document

[55:10] Ryan.

[55:12] Is there anything else we can add in there? Robert, do you see no other cities that have anything different in here?

[55:17] I haven't seen this resolution.

[55:20] Well, let's have that answer.

[55:22] Legally, everything I could see that...

[55:24] It's fine.

[55:25] The court even just rolled again, you know, a while ago on in the God retrust.

[55:34] It was written by that group that they met.

[55:38] I only added the bottom end and throughout history because there is need to set it in

[55:45] more in-piece.

[55:47] Okay.

[55:49] So it's like a movie series, but, um, Rob?

[55:53] Yes.

[55:54] Just if there is, like, construction and things going on where we have that listed in there

[56:01] as at all times, is that kind of, uh, mean something.

[56:08] the wickedest thing to not drop while someone could say you say you had it all

[56:16] times and for this past two and a half days you haven't had it it's not a

[56:22] someone could do that like bring that up yeah I'm

[56:37] okay I'm okay with it as

[56:38] unless you guys want to add something to her tweak it a little bit I just don't

[56:43] wants us to be like some bases. Hey, you're not doing that. Do you want to do it?

[56:50] I made a slight edit and moved your vote down a little bit so it wasn't split.

[56:55] Oh, I know, here. This was driving me nuts.

[56:59] This is making people a little comfortable by being on my self.

[57:04] Yeah, they've split a lot of the warehouses where I was like, I just caught strong points

[57:12] I think basically we're just saying we're going to put on the wall and we support those things so

[57:18] Unless you guys have any answers to this guys all this motion to approve

[57:22] kind of we trust resolution we draft one or our 2023-27

[57:29] And then do we want to attach a budget to it if you want to use it like that?

[57:34] All right, let me like 10,000 bucks

[57:37] Just joking just joking

[57:40] We want the whole wall here now you want a certain budget amount or I mean you could build some between it's gonna be at least

[57:46] Probably $1,500. I guess we can you know if we can put a contingency on getting goods back on

[57:54] Not to say yeah, yeah, I like that. I think you're gonna you're gonna get something nice between three hundred two to four

[58:06] I don't know if you were on this right now or can we just go out and look?

[58:20] We can just go out and look, I guess.

[58:21] Bring it back.

[58:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[58:25] It doesn't mean it means I see it.

[58:28] I don't want to.

[58:29] Yeah, right.

[58:30] I see.

[58:32] It's the ball.

[58:34] Right.

[58:34] Five feet squared.

[58:36] Um, so we just,

[58:38] should I scratch that motion to do another one?

[58:44] I think you could clarify your original motion.

[58:47] I'll just clarify that we approve the R2,

[58:51] 2020-23-27, got me trust resolution, and then as a figure out budget and give a good

[58:59] as edited today from a registered recorder, and not Rob.

[59:06] And Ryan.

[59:10] And we'll pursue bids.

[59:12] Is your motion done?

[59:13] I think so now.

[59:15] Thank you.

[59:17] Thank you.

[59:19] Thank you.

[59:19] down his motioned, right, his second to any further discussion.

[59:25] So no budget thrown into that one, like, no money?

[59:27] No, we're trying to get this back.

[59:28] All right, that's great.

[59:30] Thank you, Chair.

[59:33] Yeah, and this is a resolution we need to roll call, though.

[59:36] Johnson.

[59:37] Yay.

[59:38] Right.

[59:39] Yay.

[59:40] Kathleen.

[59:40] Yay.

[59:41] Thoroughly.

[59:42] Do you all?

[59:44] Very.

[59:45] Damn.

[59:45] Yes.

[59:48] Past, you know, this is.

[59:52] Chair would be OK if vice chair reaches out to Jim.

[59:55] and why would you want to do that, just triple night, urgent?

[1:00:04] That would be very helpful. I have kept my busy section of work.

[1:00:23] Right, maybe just getting a

[1:00:33] Which is planning and zoning commission

[1:00:42] Why

[1:00:45] Because depending on what's going on depending on how we

[1:00:50] Take care of this we can choose as a council tonight to vote to extend that time from that 30 day

[1:00:57] So we have a little bit more that would be nice

[1:01:08] That was a little loud, I thought it'd already be the same.

[1:01:10] Oh my gosh, I kind of planned it.

[1:01:13] I would do you think we want to do that a little bit?

[1:01:16] I mean, it's not really.

[1:01:16] I was worried about how people don't even have a set of things.

[1:01:18] We have one, but I'll give you the rest of the month.

[1:01:21] And what is the date that we have to have this,

[1:01:23] and we gave a 30-day time window, right?

[1:01:25] There's two of my names available.

[1:01:27] I mean, you know, a home-based business?

[1:01:30] No, 30-day time period for vacancy on planning commission.

[1:01:35] Yes, you have 30 days.

[1:01:36] what was the date that it was oh right she resigned of it 20 like the last I think it's

[1:01:44] two of my days ago how long may see you know the 20th or the 23rd that's what I'm asking

[1:01:55] 23rd that sounds about right yeah let's just say that was extended to the 29th that'd be great

[1:02:01] Yeah, it's about going to be done. Yeah, yeah, do you okay if we just extend to the 29th on this one?

[1:02:08] We're still going with the plan of interviewing Saturday, but we have to have the decision by the 29th, right?

[1:02:13] Is that to be clear?

[1:02:15] Right

[1:02:16] For a meeting on the 29th, as long as we can vote.

[1:02:20] I still want to throw out that we just if you're Dan could send an email to everyone else making sure they're all okay and

[1:02:27] And because when she announced it, someone said, oh, I got three years of this.

[1:02:32] I just want to make sure they know they don't have to stay if one of them wants to get off of it.

[1:02:36] Would you want me to call Jim and talk to him?

[1:02:37] Yeah, just to engage if anyone else wants to get off of it.

[1:02:41] It'd be a good time to kind of know that too, because I don't really do it at the same time.

[1:02:45] Okay, so...

[1:02:46] I don't want to pass it to them.

[1:02:47] Yeah, so we need to know.

[1:02:51] So, transition's key.

[1:02:51] I know my point is not wanting to be a point, but I learned that.

[1:02:55] So when you're when you're talking about that. Yeah, that would be in February, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So we're just getting them to let us know if they're going to proceed or not, but they want to continue. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense to fulfill the full term. Yeah. Just because it's now the time to gauge that. Okay. And maybe you guys can mess with me. Let me know if you want to talk to your people or why not. I've talked to my

[1:03:25] Okay, he's committed to the end of this. Okay, good enough. Okay. I will

[1:03:31] I usually try to come on at least once a week. Okay, cool.

[1:03:41] Tell you what I'm talking about. I'm John. So do you want a motion that we

[1:03:46] extend? Oh, yes. A motion to extend the deadline for filling the

[1:04:00] Okay, so motion by Ryan seconded by Dan for their discussion.

[1:04:05] All

[1:04:09] in favor, I don't think this has to be a real call, all in favor.

[1:04:15] Hi.

[1:04:16] Hi.

[1:04:17] Hi.

[1:04:19] Kathleen.

[1:04:20] I said I.

[1:04:21] Sorry.

[1:04:21] I didn't hear.

[1:04:23] Sorry.

[1:04:24] I passed unanimously.

[1:04:26] Just really quick going that same way.

[1:04:27] Yeah.

[1:04:28] It was going to bite Hannah today and for God's sake,

[1:04:30] but I'd love to have her come and do that certificate

[1:04:32] if we talk to her.

[1:04:33] Oh, that's a really thoughtful way to do that.

[1:04:35] We started our meeting and we just presented it the minute.

[1:04:38] Do you want to do a frame and stuff a little budget together, right?

[1:04:40] Yeah.

[1:04:40] It won't cost you much.

[1:04:42] No, I think it's a nice gesture for, you know,

[1:04:45] decision for this first year for what they put into it.

[1:04:48] They put in more work.

[1:04:49] The ones that are there later will have a lot of fun

[1:04:51] Because it's just people applying not all the grind. Yeah, I think that would be okay

[1:04:55] I mean if you guys want to put a little budget together like $10 frame or 20 on the okay or something like that because I think it just shows

[1:05:02] That we really create and I think it would be good to maybe even

[1:05:06] Inviter on the 29

[1:05:16] If she can't come to 20 I'd like still do like December the first Wednesday, so let's see if I can get do want to talk to Ryan or

[1:05:22] Do you want one of us?

[1:05:23] Okay, there we go.

[1:05:24] We'd love to talk to her.

[1:05:25] First of all, where would you think that follows?

[1:05:30] Sure.

[1:05:31] Like, after legal training, it's not.

[1:05:37] There's a thing that our colleagues were.

[1:05:39] It could just do like before legal training, that way she can come and she can make a

[1:05:43] Chinese suit.

[1:05:45] Would that be a fuller?

[1:05:47] It could do with fall under presentation.

[1:05:47] Like, when you have something, you can get the baby in the head.

[1:05:48] It could do with fall under presentation.

[1:05:50] Okay.

[1:05:51] And that's usually after.

[1:05:52] that's usually one of the first things that we do on action. I can go back to

[1:06:00] and yeah all right so I'll first find out the date in the end of jade

[1:06:06] 400 on the agenda. Okay. She's not available next time meeting or

[1:06:11] shoot for the.

[1:06:20] Any other discussion on that one? We are to

[1:06:26] AT our home-based business ordinance. Rob's got that back to us.

[1:06:36] I'm going to start out right out.

[1:06:38] The get-go. There's three C's and occupations. I saw that. Yeah, yeah. I saw the correction

[1:06:45] happened right before we looked at it. I was like, good job, Rob. I still have my original keyboard.

[1:06:57] I just was making notes as I was going to call.

[1:07:02] And as I edited this, I inserted some things to try to capture various thoughts.

[1:07:07] I already have some suggestions for the council, like things to highlight, see whether

[1:07:11] you want to go that direction or not.

[1:07:13] I also had to leave you guys, I tried to take a lot from what I looked at, your thing and

[1:07:18] took a lot out of that.

[1:07:19] That was a lot of what I think the council wanted and then the whole tier one two thing I kind of just wrote based on the discussion

[1:07:25] If I got something wrong, I apologize wasn't my intent to not catch the council's direction. I just

[1:07:30] Try to get it from what we have

[1:07:34] Okay, but I have a few things I want to highlight for you to look with consider as well as we go through all right

[1:07:39] I'm just going to make a recommendation here on the

[1:07:45] Second whereas in here

[1:07:47] towards the end where it says residential character wondering if it fits better as rural

[1:07:54] character.

[1:07:55] This is a residential character.

[1:08:01] Can you see where that is?

[1:08:03] Yep, I do.

[1:08:06] That's the suggestion.

[1:08:13] I mean, we used it up above.

[1:08:16] I'm just wondering if the

[1:08:20] rural character of the community is a residential character of the

[1:08:24] community.

[1:08:24] Do you have a role of character of the community and residential look of the neighborhood

[1:08:34] to cover falls?

[1:08:36] You could do that, that sounds good.

[1:08:40] Oral character of the community and residential.

[1:08:44] Maybe it's a parent's not a well-cooked person, but the neighborhood.

[1:08:48] parents, the neighborhood. So those two,

[1:08:57] you know, that sounds good.

[1:08:59] Let me jump back and work with you guys. Do

[1:09:10] you want to start reading through each

[1:09:11] paragraph? Because I will have 10 pages versus 50. No, no. Unless somebody has something else

[1:09:17] or a prop has anything, I can tell you where I'm going to go next. Because he has a comment.

[1:09:25] If so, do you want me to just go?

[1:09:27] Well, Chair, you can take it, I guess.

[1:09:31] Or do you want me to go pair of rough, pair of rough?

[1:09:34] Okay, so we're down there.

[1:09:38] I don't have anything until, personally, for me until section one,

[1:09:41] I don't have anything there, but Zimmy, I have the section one right there in page one.

[1:09:44] It's free reading, but

[1:09:48] yes, we have.

[1:09:49] I have a client set. I have time to go through.

[1:09:52] I apologize for getting it to you.

[1:09:53] No, you were asked to rewrite a whole thing again.

[1:09:57] Yeah, I'm not criticising the matter.

[1:10:00] Did we get a second like modest?

[1:10:03] What definition one modest was?

[1:10:06] I can't remember if we did it.

[1:10:07] We talked briefly, Mark.

[1:10:09] There was comments about it being small versus modest.

[1:10:13] I don't know why.

[1:10:14] Did we ever decide, we just talked about that.

[1:10:16] I think that was when we just stayed for a later day, which is the day.

[1:10:19] So, do you guys want any different sections?

[1:10:22] Oh, section or even?

[1:10:23] Section one.

[1:10:23] Do you guys want to worry anything else like what's your risk?

[1:10:28] Just season like I just think there's we can you guys won't leave the word there

[1:10:31] I know we kind of got caught up on that one. I think for a minute like a whole month ago probably

[1:10:36] I think the way you at least the proposal is it's defined

[1:10:41] Moduses not defined pretty specifically as below with the two levels of businesses meaning that's

[1:10:47] That's what modest now means is what you're allowing in this ordinance

[1:10:52] But if you want to redefine that, it's certainly up to the council.

[1:11:10] We'll keep it.

[1:11:11] You guys want modest?

[1:11:12] I'm good with it.

[1:11:13] Yeah, based on what Rob says, and that's it.

[1:11:15] Okay.

[1:11:16] Kathleen, John, I'm good with leader.

[1:11:28] Good, moving on.

[1:11:31] Okay.

[1:11:32] We'll move on the rest up.

[1:11:33] Anything else on the paragraph section one, guys?

[1:11:35] And, guys?

[1:11:36] Nope.

[1:11:37] I want to make sure it remains it's a dental.

[1:11:39] Yep.

[1:11:40] Yep, we got that in there.

[1:11:43] That's not a virtually affecting neighborhood properties, public health, safety, or the well-being of our community.

[1:11:49] Number two daycare, I think we got that one pretty wrapped up.

[1:11:56] The only new, there's three new additions to the definitions.

[1:12:00] Okay.

[1:12:01] Home occupation.

[1:12:04] We just have one definition of home occupation.

[1:12:06] I split that into two.

[1:12:08] Okay.

[1:12:08] So we have home occupation.

[1:12:09] Home Occupation is the, what we call the tier one, the no impact, and I added a little

[1:12:15] sentence there which I'm going to highlight.

[1:12:19] Home Occupations have no or minimal off-site impacts beyond that of primer residential

[1:12:22] use.

[1:12:24] No occupations for either to find in 9.1, so 20 down to the section that talks about it.

[1:12:29] So when you have just one definition, I added this thing, Home Occupation is the low impact

[1:12:34] one and a copy of the definition basically home-based business except a point out that this is the one that has

[1:12:43] Some off-site impacts as we define that later on

[1:12:47] Correct. That's where you have the additional employees

[1:12:54] Yeah, right. So his business would be a home occupation

[1:12:58] Someone who has a customer coming to the site would be a home-based business

[1:13:03] And then the other definition was a residential business, which is just now the catch all

[1:13:07] term for everything we're talking about throughout.

[1:13:10] It's either home occupation or home-based business, that's the big heading.

[1:13:15] So when we talk about general regulations, we can regulate residential businesses, means

[1:13:20] either of those two things, and then there are specific regulations for home occupations

[1:13:24] and home-based businesses.

[1:13:25] I like that.

[1:13:27] Because our residential ordinance, we are one ordinance we've got actually has as permitted

[1:13:32] uses home occupations as permitted by the city's ordinance and home-based

[1:13:36] businesses permitted by the city's ordinance. Ty's right back into that now.

[1:13:41] I was wondering if your references to sections kept me reading the document so I

[1:13:52] wanted to hear what was going to be said in section 9 so. Spoilers. I know I know.

[1:13:57] There he is.

[1:13:58] Do I have a dunk on?

[1:14:00] Do you guys want to kick all the way down there or do you want to just, we can move down?

[1:14:03] Real quick on these, just for discussion, Erda had their definitions back up in a court.

[1:14:10] This is almost identical but what they further said is the home-based occupation can only

[1:14:16] be inside the home, not in any accessory structures, any yard or any in the home business could

[1:14:22] be the one that sprawled out through buildings and that.

[1:14:25] Do we want to do that because we don't define it that

[1:14:29] There's someone

[1:14:31] So it says how much you can kick that's up

[1:14:34] Just refresh it. You're okay. We got kicked out. Yeah, we got kicked out

[1:14:40] It's not being a righteous reporter right now

[1:14:52] So Ryan we restate that

[1:14:54] So you're basically saying let me read it to you yeah

[1:15:00] We, but they turn our home-based business is entirely within the dwelling or an accessory structure on the premises. The home occupation is only within the dwelling. So the home occupation is the little, it's only in the dwelling, it's not impacting. You know, like our front of the camera, the yards and everything. So I don't know if we want to, like, like, this is this impacts that are things because they're using their storage or using their buildings or using their parking right for employees.

[1:15:31] Well, that's why we kind of zoomed on home-based businesses and doing that, like those definitions, but

[1:15:36] We could define it a little more if that's what you guys want. I'd see no problem doing that

[1:15:41] Or is a little more broad and silly to kind of go in we read the entire document, right?

[1:15:48] Yes, briefly

[1:15:48] I think Rob did find a

[1:15:55] of elaborating what you're actually describing in the

[1:15:59] the verbites down below but okay that works if it's in the 9th way one that is

[1:16:05] where he's sitting there and saying that in a home occupation there's only

[1:16:10] going to be allowed at most one employee I mean that right there limits

[1:16:17] that portion of that yeah let me read the whole thing for the home

[1:16:22] Some occupations any use from entirely within a dwelling carried on by a person residing

[1:16:26] in the dwelling and no more than one employee outside of the dwelling, who worked inside

[1:16:30] the dwelling.

[1:16:32] And then it goes into credence and animal secondary use, which is, and then a whole business is

[1:16:39] a greater scale of home occupations for secondary, but is in dwelling an accessory structure or

[1:16:45] on the premises.

[1:16:46] They just changed us before you said?

[1:16:48] No, they were having a discussion to see if they wanted to change it.

[1:16:52] They didn't vote to change.

[1:16:53] Because they had an applicant for a commission.

[1:16:56] How about we have it for a time-sake?

[1:16:58] We just kind of keep that in mind,

[1:16:59] and we get that in 9.1.

[1:17:01] It is not what you're thinking about.

[1:17:02] But that'd be OK.

[1:17:03] OK.

[1:17:06] I think it's worth it pretty good already.

[1:17:07] I mean, Rob, we could just put some good time in here.

[1:17:09] But we can review it again.

[1:17:11] 2.4 is new.

[1:17:15] Combining.

[1:17:16] So it's easier to reference.

[1:17:18] Correct.

[1:17:18] 2.5.

[1:17:21] 2.6 with the same definitions

[1:17:23] questions from before yeah, okay, three rights and responsibilities.

[1:17:30] Raging engagement business, we'll go, yes, we have that, okay.

[1:17:33] Can we offer you guys have anything on here?

[1:17:35] 2.3.

[1:17:38] 2.3?

[1:17:39] I thought we, yeah, we just did that one.

[1:17:40] Well, the occupation we did, because like this, this is cemetery, right, home-based business

[1:17:45] have, or have the potential, have, or have.

[1:17:47] Home-based businesses have, or have, or have the potential, or have the potential.

[1:17:53] I could hear a better way of saying it's okay, okay, okay, home basis is have or have the potential for material offsite impact

[1:18:00] Shouldn't that be?

[1:18:01] I'm going to use the loan.

[1:18:03] You could compliment it all.

[1:18:04] It's almost like when you have those instructions where it's like that and that or whatever, two words.

[1:18:09] We could comment that off.

[1:18:11] So they have the potential to have material of my impacts.

[1:18:15] It's either those that we know actually have the offsite impacts or

[1:18:20] They have the potential for it, so we're regulating them as a home-based business.

[1:18:24] Which is what we're saying, once you go over one employee, we will assume that you have

[1:18:29] the potential for the outside impact, so that's why we're holding you to this higher standard.

[1:18:33] Okay, I'm trying to understand what you're going to have.

[1:18:36] The comments make it sound better, so that's fine.

[1:18:39] Yeah, I just wonder if I can get to know them.

[1:18:42] Yeah, I'm trying to distinguish the home occupations of the ones that don't impact anyone else.

[1:18:45] Home-based businesses can and or do.

[1:18:49] Okay. Okay. Thank you Kathleen. We're going on to 3.1.

[1:18:56] 2.5. Oh you got 2.5? Okay.

[1:18:59] As I was thinking through this reading the whole thing, it seems like we shouldn't instruct

[1:19:09] exempt, you know, instruction from the registration requirement even because it's free.

[1:19:13] Probably because how do we know how many vehicles are in town? How do we how do we deal with complaints and how would you how do we address issues that make

[1:19:21] We can easily tell the people. Hey, they're registered. They're authorized

[1:19:28] That's so you want to basically put some under it would only be that requirement nothing else

[1:19:34] I'm saying no

[1:19:36] Home schoolers in this community

[1:19:38] I'm gonna say no

[1:19:54] I think some people want their stuff private, but like John's coming from my guessing rights that we were coming from.

[1:20:00] Absolutely.

[1:20:00] Maybe we can exclude the home school or you know, make it put some other

[1:20:06] sentences like home instructions excluded some people on that very private, I think

[1:20:12] Would you the preschools are already regulated in a different way. I'll tell you what I was thinking

[1:20:18] If it's not coming, but we had one applicant talking about building a house for the basketball court and bringing in training for

[1:20:23] Profit basketball training out of his building

[1:20:27] That seems to me it would be exempt because I'm instructing basketball at

[1:20:31] my home in home instruction. You could have 10 to 20 people there on a high cost

[1:20:36] AU basketball league training seems like that should be something we should be

[1:20:42] aware of for that impact. Well one thing we discussed multiple times and we're

[1:20:45] going to get down to it and just the traffic that even people came in and I

[1:20:48] thought discussed right. So do you want to like tie it to how much

[1:20:52] traffic there or other things too or do I just kind of I kind of agree with John

[1:20:58] I think they'll they're probably like they want to do homes going or whatever

[1:21:01] or but I'm just thinking like maybe like are you basically not for profit but

[1:21:06] if you're running an AU best little training camp out of your home that's not

[1:21:10] saying the profit you could have dozens of people come in their day not staying

[1:21:14] traffic gets off they stay for a couple hours they leave that would be ideal to

[1:21:18] But use one register.

[1:21:19] Sales, right?

[1:21:20] Because the registration gives their business license or their self-sex identity.

[1:21:25] So these things have some things, but just put down register?

[1:21:27] Yeah, and I'm not saying that we went about this the right way, due to the infrastructure

[1:21:31] because we have a need for it, right?

[1:21:33] Correct.

[1:21:33] Here we do.

[1:21:34] Yes.

[1:21:35] Because we have so many people.

[1:21:36] And we've got a lot of feedback from people to all of us.

[1:21:37] So many town, you don't want to punish them.

[1:21:40] You don't want to put them through a lot of regulations.

[1:21:41] So all I'm specifically saying is, having them register, so when someone calls up and says

[1:21:46] Because there's this impact in my neighborhood, what are you doing about?

[1:21:48] We can say they're registering business, they're authorizing.

[1:21:56] Just something to think about.

[1:21:57] I'm making note, we can go down further, but when you think of the variety of home-based

[1:22:03] instructional businesses, it could be more than our rural businesses.

[1:22:07] It could be very big for profit, things taking place.

[1:22:13] And I guess I'll go back to here.

[1:22:15] So it takes me to take three complaints.

[1:22:16] It takes you to take three complaints anyway, they even address it.

[1:22:20] Yeah, it takes a lot of complaints. Right when you put a note on this, something I thought of is

[1:22:25] if I had no property, I'd take a pit and have a gun range and I'd do it in home shooting instruction

[1:22:30] because we're going to be shooting guns in the city, right? We've talked about that because of the farm

[1:22:35] needs and all that kind of stuff. I know a person in West Valley that has a gun range inside their

[1:22:40] basement in their house. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Do you think nobody else knows they have in

[1:22:45] there? Well, let's let's let's not come back this. Let's just vote on some who wants a

[1:22:49] registration on the businesses on that one, the home

[1:22:51] structure, right? It's also gear Yay? Well, I'm with you

[1:22:55] guys on the schools and all that, the non like, education is

[1:22:59] different than should we put down instruction?

[1:23:05] I mean, I

[1:23:06] talked to a person I had a dance studio and they said they

[1:23:09] got a couple calls, you know, bring people on so and I think

[1:23:12] this would calm some nerves. So I see the good and maybe

[1:23:17] possibly maybe the negativity from it, but I think it may just exclude education,

[1:23:23] personal home education, whatever, but we can, you know, if you guys want to

[1:23:27] register, I mean, we can all that one over a little bit and come back if you

[1:23:32] guys don't want to decide now or vote. It's come back and see it for you. Okay, we need

[1:23:37] to be thinking about it because we've been thinking of the long lines of

[1:23:40] education, horse riding, things that we don't want to cause issues with those youth.

[1:23:45] But when we add in any kind of adult instruction course, gosh, I could make a lot of money,

[1:23:54] different stuff, bring a bunch of people, instruct them in things, charge them a bunch of money.

[1:24:00] Okay.

[1:24:01] Okay, let's go down to 2.6.

[1:24:05] I think that one's pretty good.

[1:24:10] I don't have any.

[1:24:12] Okay. Do all this interrupt us if you want section 3, 3.1.

[1:24:17] It's 6, 2.6, it's in the same thing as 2.5.

[1:24:28] Tradition or not. I mean the both look the same to me.

[1:24:31] So whatever we would do with one, we have to do with the other.

[1:24:34] Okay.

[1:24:38] We'll end down to 3.1.

[1:24:44] Anything there? No. 3.2.

[1:24:46] 2,

[1:24:49] 3.3,

[1:24:52] 4, I know right, number 4, and then I think Rob has a non 4.1 with Ryan's.

[1:25:03] So this is if you're going to change the exemption part, this is where I would either

[1:25:08] here or in the regulations 4, so I was going to make a move on,

[1:25:16] come back to it.

[1:25:17] Okay, let's do that.

[1:25:18] Let's support point two, four points three, four, four,

[1:25:21] and four, five, and I think-

[1:25:23] Five, I highlighted.

[1:25:25] I wasn't sharing this with intentional amount,

[1:25:26] so I just wanted to state law,

[1:25:28] when it talks about my operate business talks about

[1:25:30] occasionally operated by 18 under 18.

[1:25:33] Did you want the occasionally there or not?

[1:25:36] I'm just raising it for what state law says.

[1:25:39] You can just say if you're under 18

[1:25:40] operating business, you don't care, and that's fine.

[1:25:42] Okay.

[1:25:55] I think that's right,

[1:25:56] because the state's trying to not prevent

[1:25:57] and lemonade stands, things like that,

[1:25:59] versus a parent gets their kid to open the business

[1:26:01] and they run it every day.

[1:26:09] That's where they got into trouble.

[1:26:10] It was a lemonade loss and stuff, a lemonade stand.

[1:26:14] But this is just, this is the council's,

[1:26:16] I just wasn't sure if that was either way.

[1:26:21] Do we have to define, do we have to define the occasional, right?

[1:26:25] No.

[1:26:25] No, we either choose to do an occasion next day,

[1:26:27] let's say, or we don't care if they're occasional or not.

[1:26:31] That's the question.

[1:26:32] Do you care about businesses operated by?

[1:26:34] I just don't know from Kathleen. I think I know from John. I think I think it's fine. Yeah, it's three. Okay, everyone. Section five.

[1:26:45] And we'll just go through paragraph. These are ones that are not permitted to be operated as a residential business.

[1:26:55] One. Okay.

[1:27:04] Rob took out some of my verbiage last time.

[1:27:07] What's up with that one?

[1:27:08] 5-1.

[1:27:09] Rob, can you just define what?

[1:27:14] I understand it illegal, but you'll list it.

[1:27:18] Is that saying the same thing as one of the other tanks farther down?

[1:27:22] I don't know which is 5.6.

[1:27:27] Or is there a difference?

[1:27:28] It's not really a difference.

[1:27:29] I took this from the Cedar 4-1 that you pointed me to, but I don't know that it matters to you

[1:27:37] and say this because it's an illegal business, it's illegal anyway, but there really isn't a

[1:27:40] difference between illegal or illicit.

[1:27:43] I think there is actually synonyms.

[1:27:45] Illicit covers and stay long more of the sexual or that's specifically touching the humans

[1:27:52] in a properly sexual rousal, so that covers those massage parlors, things like that.

[1:27:56] This is the connotation of a list.

[1:27:58] Yeah.

[1:27:59] Well, 5.6 is covering that.

[1:28:01] Yes.

[1:28:02] So this is potentially entirely redundant overall.

[1:28:06] OK.

[1:28:08] This is one that I wanted to bring up.

[1:28:10] That was one that I added based on the Cedar Fort throw vision list.

[1:28:15] I don't know that it matters to have it or not, honestly, because it's illegal to legal.

[1:28:20] Yeah.

[1:28:21] You want to take it out, John, or leave it?

[1:28:23] Well, I think it's more clearly defined of 5.6 and if you say illegal businesses

[1:28:30] I'm fine with saying illegal businesses. I just don't think a list. It should be

[1:28:34] She's been a list of to be handled somewhere else in the 5.6

[1:28:38] Okay, I'm here. Good with that. Yeah, that's fine

[1:28:42] Do you guys see anything in the whole section of five that you kind of want to add or take away?

[1:28:48] There's another section

[1:28:50] 5.4 I wanted to highlight 5.4

[1:28:53] Okay. On my 5.4, the way I read this, it reads a little bit different. I would think

[1:29:02] that you would want to put like brackets or parentheses after dental and before office.

[1:29:11] So it's a medical hospital or dental hospital, a medical clinic or a dental clinic or a medical

[1:29:19] office or dental office. Oh, make it clear. Make it more clear. Yeah, we can have to do that.

[1:29:29] I was just saying you just have to put parenthesis around those words.

[1:29:35] Oh, once again, yeah, let's get just laid up there. Yeah, put it around. You're fine.

[1:29:42] Look what? Rob has a master's in English so you can read it. I do not. I thought you did.

[1:29:51] I

[1:29:53] was trying to make it easier so you didn't have to type as much.

[1:29:56] I only know when you're done with 5.4.

[1:29:58] Rob gets paid by the words.

[1:30:00] Yes. I was trying to save money, okay?

[1:30:05] Two parentheses versus how many were? Yeah. I also added that end closet. It's kind of the provide the exception that we we kind of talked about the in-home as the titions or nail people as allowing that. Yeah. So that's what I was trying to capture there. I wanted to highlight that. The one thing too is like, I know we did 5.5. We discussed a little depth on small engine repair that doesn't affect 5.5.

[1:30:30] You know, so this is changed so it used to say sales leasing, rental, repair, service of all of this stuff.

[1:30:38] I took out the repair and service.

[1:30:40] And that is now its own, as its own special regulation said.

[1:30:44] It says it's allowed in certain conditions.

[1:30:48] So this is just saying you can't do rentals of vehicles off your property.

[1:31:01] Do you want to add that in there?

[1:31:02] I don't know.

[1:31:03] How many do we have?

[1:31:04] I know they could add that if you wanted to that same regulation on the repair shops and have it be like the

[1:31:17] repairs and machines stuff be that regulation as well as an option do you want to just highlight that

[1:31:24] yeah well I like that one a reference reference it anything on 5.11 we're stressing on

[1:31:30] If I'm 11, I would seriously keep that in.

[1:31:34] Well, I had other verbers I thought was more educational.

[1:31:38] So, but if you want to do something different, we can.

[1:31:41] I think it sounds good.

[1:31:42] But I do like keeping the use that so we don't produce or it,

[1:31:46] and fluctuate the utility services.

[1:31:48] Yeah, I like that because we did discuss about the power

[1:31:53] and if someone's mining other things too.

[1:31:58] like that one 5.10 do you want to do like so how do you how do you actually even

[1:32:04] go about doing something like that? I don't know. You could you could do something

[1:32:10] to send somebody over there with a meter so every time somebody is central air

[1:32:15] kicks on there's a power fluctuation. No I think you do is like abnormal power

[1:32:20] very phase versus single phase. I think if the power company is gonna tell us if

[1:32:25] something's causing it to something on our grid is it is rocking out and they usually do that or you judge you

[1:32:31] I know where you come from.

[1:32:33] Pinpoint where the fluctuations are coming from and they try to work with you.

[1:32:37] I don't think it's we're not going to measure it there.

[1:32:39] Yeah but like it is like abnormal.

[1:32:41] Find out that would it be better as saying as per you like

[1:32:47] fluctuations in utility service as provided by utility company

[1:32:52] company provided by the utility company so we know like what they're looking for.

[1:32:59] That ain't good water.

[1:33:03] Technically no depending on the definition of utility.

[1:33:07] Well this one's typically not water.

[1:33:10] Typically not water because that's a private company.

[1:33:16] It's not regulated by public service commission.

[1:33:18] I think mainly where we're at power, correct?

[1:33:21] And water?

[1:33:22] Someone opens a business that is manufacturing other home using constant water flow.

[1:33:27] Like a mini car wash?

[1:33:29] Maybe I'll suggest a mini car wash.

[1:33:33] Power gas.

[1:33:37] 4040.

[1:33:41] You want to

[1:33:57] do abnormal fluctuations?

[1:34:04] We

[1:34:07] just brought up the previous meeting from the systems, how about it, and me sometimes

[1:34:11] in general, we continue to allow businesses to move into Erin.

[1:34:16] What's the one I worried about was the generator using a lot of power?

[1:34:20] Well, we have the nuisance with noise on the generator. It's the silo one, right?

[1:34:34] I'm good with those. That sounds good. If you guys don't have anything else,

[1:34:40] okay, at

[1:34:41] the 5.11, where you're done. 6, go down to the section 6, 6.1.

[1:34:47] So this, just to give that, now that we have, I have that additional residential business.

[1:34:51] Yep, this applies to all of the home businesses whether their home occupations are home-based businesses

[1:34:56] Okay, so this is the general standard for everything. Thank you, Rob. Rob

[1:35:04] I'm 5-11. I'm going to go back one. Oh

[1:35:10] Razor process means I know you said month specific

[1:35:14] Or similar animals similar in what way

[1:35:30] I would define it as your general, okay, use for the family, the weasels, parents, are

[1:35:37] you thinking of being an asshole?

[1:35:38] I would actually interpret what I was called on, it means it's in the same literal family

[1:35:43] of animals.

[1:35:44] Should we just define it as that and say similar animal use the placement part, use the technical

[1:35:51] term there?

[1:35:52] Sure.

[1:35:54] Not that many people know what it is, but I think it's more clearly to find if you use

[1:36:00] that versus similar animals, but does it have fur, does it have feet, does it have teeth,

[1:36:05] does it have eyes, so

[1:36:09] I made a suggestion there.

[1:36:15] You guys find it okay?

[1:36:17] I

[1:36:19] think it is like a premonition.

[1:36:22] There's only two people here.

[1:36:23] There's only two people here.

[1:36:26] I'm almost got the leak in there, hold on.

[1:36:30] File is ready.

[1:36:32] It's no more for it.

[1:36:37] Jamie's.

[1:36:38] Damien.

[1:36:41] Did Jamie have anyone with?

[1:36:43] Yes.

[1:36:43] Quite aggressive on it.

[1:36:45] I need to bring another case.

[1:36:47] Huh?

[1:36:48] No, you already got one.

[1:36:49] Almost there, hold on.

[1:36:50] And it's you know.

[1:36:52] That one didn't work.

[1:36:53] Short out.

[1:36:54] She's posted.

[1:36:54] If you go under the calendar, I'm working on it, so I just have to make sure that I make point that one.

[1:37:09] That's point one.

[1:37:14] We don't want 6.1.

[1:37:16] Hey, it's there now.

[1:37:17] Thank you.

[1:37:19] Yeah.

[1:37:20] Yeah, Rob, let's me and tell us something.

[1:37:22] Okay, 6.1.

[1:37:22] I added owner operated and I'm not sure why I did when I was reading through it just a little bit ago.

[1:37:28] And I would recommend removing that.

[1:37:29] Okay, it's a better term because someone may not own the business, but it's business. They're conducting from it

[1:37:35] It seems to get to specific

[1:37:38] Yeah, yeah, that's okay. That's okay. I'm okay with you. I'll just scratch that okay

[1:37:45] Maybe else on 6.1

[1:37:50] Okay, we're going to page 4 6.2 I

[1:37:54] Think we're agree on this one multiple times

[1:37:57] 6.3. This is the off-street parking last one. What was 6.2 was the 49 percent?

[1:38:03] I don't know. I know I won't win, but I still think it's high.

[1:38:07] 6.3 is the off-street parking, which they got.

[1:38:11] I think 49 percent is high, but I will be uploaded on that.

[1:38:17] 6.3 is off-street parking. Spaces.

[1:38:20] I can solidate a lot of the parking discussion into one section. That's all about parking. I know I mentioned last time

[1:38:27] you guys want to limit on the size of parking on the business owners if they have like less than

[1:38:34] quarter acre or half acre and then one acre above. I know I have three different levels. Do you guys want to look at that or kind of do you

[1:38:42] crash I can't remember we decided on that one. It's like one acre. When you did this one,

[1:38:48] didn't you change it? I try to remember somewhere. You mentioned acreage in some section here.

[1:38:55] That's for the five plus employee one. I mentioned to make a lot of thing in there.

[1:39:01] Do you want to see that chart in there? Yeah. Council wanted to adopt that or not.

[1:39:04] What I think we did like one acre more and then like we did under one acre to half acre. We did five

[1:39:10] live in an under half acre of like three.

[1:39:12] Or for vehicles.

[1:39:14] Yeah, so actually, this is only, I wanted to rate,

[1:39:17] this is mostly the section about employees,

[1:39:20] the offsite employees that are coming on.

[1:39:22] Correct.

[1:39:22] We don't, that was maybe the, maybe I should have included

[1:39:25] that we, it isn't a clear standard for offstreet parking

[1:39:30] for customers.

[1:39:34] And perhaps that's meant to talk about

[1:39:36] with the home-based business.

[1:39:39] I don't like the residents that may enter agreements with neighbors from parking.

[1:39:45] Also, I would like that to be removed.

[1:39:48] I think at that point we'd have discussed that.

[1:39:50] No.

[1:39:51] That's different as I thought you threw in there, Rob?

[1:39:54] That was from...

[1:39:56] Oh, John's a doctor.

[1:39:57] John's a doctor.

[1:39:57] I think John mentioned that.

[1:39:58] That was in there and that's because there's people that do garage sales here in town.

[1:40:03] And they have actually went and talked to their neighbors to say, hey, I'm going to be doing a garage self-being this month.

[1:40:11] Right. Would you be willing to allow people to part in here and to the runs of the street?

[1:40:17] I think it's a great idea.

[1:40:18] I think we should-

[1:40:19] I don't think it's the bad idea.

[1:40:21] I recommend we don't legislate for one scenario.

[1:40:24] Only because if you-

[1:40:26] So he makes the agreement to the neighbor to his south.

[1:40:29] Yeah.

[1:40:29] But the neighbor to south of that neighbor is like, where are all these cars in the yard blocked and they were being thrown on in my yard or parking in front of my house?

[1:40:37] So my neighbor's property, but your cousin a domino effect from the home-based business is stretching it to neighboring property.

[1:40:44] It's quite a magically right that section.

[1:40:46] I think you're solving an issue. I don't think you're creating an issue.

[1:40:49] But this is what Rob said is an employee, so now you're allowing employees.

[1:40:52] This isn't for customers, it's what Rob just said.

[1:40:54] That's just employees.

[1:40:56] We have in the dead.

[1:40:57] Yeah, look, are you guys okay leading this for employees?

[1:41:01] No, I think you want to get rid of that one.

[1:41:03] Yeah, that's where I'm at.

[1:41:10] Because it's expanding the use from the residential home

[1:41:13] based business.

[1:41:14] That's basically turning in a commercial

[1:41:15] because you now have a parking lot in the neighbor's yard.

[1:41:18] Okay.

[1:41:23] Do I really think I'm at it?

[1:41:24] Yeah, I'm kind of.

[1:41:25] I don't know.

[1:41:26] I actually kind of like that.

[1:41:47] So if we put that into where we were talking about

[1:41:50] How many yard sales I'd feel good about that but not a daily business having parking at someone else's house

[1:42:02] Well John we're here from John and me from you guys is maybe just temporary use a lot of temporary is not like an ongoing thing

[1:42:10] What do you mean like if we're talking that's the scenario everyone presented?

[1:42:15] Let's write it in that scenario. Well, this may just say hey just a brief like one day deal or two day deal talks

[1:42:20] Because we talked about, we, at the time, I don't know if it's in your talk about

[1:42:23] 12 yards over here, which is a lot, right?

[1:42:25] Yeah, that is a little question.

[1:42:28] I mean, someone could do that 12 times a year, if we leave it as written every day, every

[1:42:32] business can release their neighbor's property, which means it leaves that problem.

[1:42:35] So you're, so you may think and go back to what we've discussed, like if we're in West

[1:42:39] Valley, there are places where, hey, you can do this with your neighbor at that time, but

[1:42:42] it's limited this many times.

[1:42:44] Yeah.

[1:42:44] And it's tied to that use case.

[1:42:46] Okay.

[1:42:53] No, I see. I mean, do you have a vacant lot next year to say, hey, I've got three employees

[1:42:57] in the parking lot. Got it. So maybe we just do, I think.

[1:43:00] So is there a consensus to remove that sentence?

[1:43:02] I think we could leave it with the agreement.

[1:43:04] I think one here and from people, too, is like, are you guys okay with just saying it?

[1:43:07] But it has to be temporary, temporary being.

[1:43:10] With how is written type of business is I think the consensus is removed from here and apply it.

[1:43:15] Oh, okay.

[1:43:16] Because how you've reigned the first sentence is resident for each employee.

[1:43:19] John, are you saying yours is more temporary or you're thinking or do you want no just overall?

[1:43:24] I would feel okay with room 30.

[1:43:39] It's made a note down below.

[1:43:41] Okay.

[1:43:41] Then we can maybe address it there.

[1:43:42] Okay.

[1:43:42] I'm going to say would we put it in another end or six because it would be a general regulation

[1:43:46] for customers?

[1:43:48] Because we have not addressed anything for customer parking.

[1:43:51] Right.

[1:43:52] Because this is because your home occupations don't have customers.

[1:43:56] So we can put it as part of the regulation for home-based businesses which can't have

[1:43:59] Because that's where we put it in part of the 12 vehicles per day to talk about parking spaces should be provided and

[1:44:05] and directly down there.

[1:44:06] Okay.

[1:44:07] May I ask a question, Laura?

[1:44:09] Chair.

[1:44:11] It's about this sentence.

[1:44:13] Mark Voss here again.

[1:44:16] Read an isolation the way I read this sentence in 6.3.

[1:44:21] Residential businesses may enter agreements with neighbors with parking at the end of the sentence.

[1:44:28] where I read that in isolation it's so broad and so general it sounds to me

[1:44:35] like three or four neighbors can write can enter an agreement that trumps the

[1:44:42] rest of 6.3

[1:44:45] it's

[1:44:49] it's written so general that you could do that they could

[1:44:52] argue that so when you if and when you decided to remove it or put it in a

[1:44:57] a different section, my suggestion.

[1:45:00] To make it very specific. So if four neighbors got together and they did that, what would you see as them doing that? You don't believe that's a right? The day has? No, I'm saying the way I read it, it's so general that you could have two neighbors. One neighbor plus the proponent writes an agreement saying, hey, we can not only park

[1:45:31] for this garage sale we can we can have all of the we can have parking that

[1:45:37] otherwise flout six the rest of 6.3 that sentence is very very genuine you could

[1:45:43] drive a Mack truck through it I'm just suggesting that you tighten it up and

[1:45:46] be specific with it all right I was just trying to figure out what your Mack

[1:45:50] truck was and you're driving through there okay I'll be more specific I understand

[1:45:56] All right.

[1:45:59] I mean, I don't, there's nothing specific at all in that sense. It's completely

[1:46:05] general. Residential businesses may enter agreements with users for parking. There's no

[1:46:14] constraint of any kind. There's no temporal constraint. There's no numerical constraint.

[1:46:21] There's no specific constraint about the type of business or location. I'm just pointing

[1:46:26] out that somebody who wants to do this who's looking for a loophole has arguably found

[1:46:34] some language for a loophole to expand the parties beyond the rest of what 6.3 says.

[1:46:41] So let me give you an idea here. I think part of the reason that this language was in there

[1:46:48] and was talking about it was because there's people that have businesses here in town.

[1:46:56] They

[1:46:57] and they carpool to a different location so they meet in the morning and they

[1:47:02] carpool to a different location.

[1:47:06] And if they didn't have enough parking in

[1:47:10] their home

[1:47:13] or whatever they could talk to a neighbor and they could say hey so

[1:47:18] and so is going to be working with me would you be willing to let them park their

[1:47:22] vehicle here so it's off the road. That's what I see.

[1:47:26] Yeah, I appreciate the intent and the spirit of it. I'm not I'm not expressing opposition to it. I'm saying

[1:47:33] My trading and experience that that sentence is is an issue. I don't know. I don't know what your attorney thinks about it

[1:47:40] It just looks awfully general and in this period of Ryan's comments, I think it ought to be tightened up

[1:47:51] You had three to remove it

[1:47:54] Did you do I want to know it? It's noted down further for the other

[1:47:59] Yeah, Doyle didn't want it in this section

[1:48:04] Even temporary

[1:48:06] I don't think this section is really good. We can bring it down later on. That's what we're doing. Okay. Okay, let's move on then anything else on that one

[1:48:13] So with that with the simple parking and traffic will plan be submitted to demonstrate adequate parking do we?

[1:48:21] It's we're just doing firm employees I guess we still still sketch out a little dry parking spot. I want to deploy you. Yeah

[1:48:29] and it has seen not affect their required for their house, so they have to say here's my house.

[1:48:34] And that's where I worry about this broad statement, but if you have an ADU department,

[1:48:40] you know, in your house, in your ADU, and everybody else, you could contract with your neighbor

[1:48:43] to take all your personal cards so that you have room for your business.

[1:48:48] So that's why I worry about that being such a broad statement about the presidential businesses.

[1:48:54] I'm glad you've taken out the neighborhood cards.

[1:48:56] Okay. Anything on some 6.3? 6.4.

[1:49:01] I just want to jump back up to...

[1:49:03] Can I go back up to the one right?

[1:49:05] 6.2.

[1:49:06] I say that at a place and I say in question

[1:49:09] of defining home occupations dwelling only, home businesses,

[1:49:13] dwelling at 6.3, structure a lot because

[1:49:16] right now that section reads all those locations.

[1:49:19] So if we're going to change that, we might not have to change that area.

[1:49:22] You know, on 6.2, I got it attached to garage.

[1:49:26] Right now, no matter what business or lot size,

[1:49:28] you can do it in your garage or lot or your parcel.

[1:49:33] Because we've got one section there.

[1:49:36] That's right.

[1:49:37] We just want to skip thinking about which

[1:49:38] make home occupation is only home-based business

[1:49:41] going to express your structure a lot.

[1:49:43] And not let it be everyone in town.

[1:49:45] So just make a note of that that we're going to come back

[1:49:47] to that, and I'm just going to write a number

[1:49:56] Okay, and then 6.4, science, I think we kind of beat that one up a bit, 6.4 feet.

[1:50:05] Hold on.

[1:50:06] Where it says attached to the main dwelling unit,

[1:50:11] I think most people wouldn't want to

[1:50:14] attach to their dwelling unit.

[1:50:15] I'm going to say that if you don't want somebody to be driving back and forth and back and forth, you probably want to design out farther.

[1:50:24] Make sure you do, so make sure you don't have to grow.

[1:50:26] So it's visible so that people can actually see it.

[1:50:30] There may be some lots. I know several of them is my house, but it was attached by my main house, nobody would ever see it.

[1:50:38] I'm back off the road.

[1:50:41] 100 yards so if you only limit it to the house most times when I'm driving for work

[1:50:51] I see a home-based business they have a small little sign in front of their

[1:50:57] by their mailbox or something like that they say the name of it and it maybe

[1:51:03] just right there with their mailbox or on a small little post or something so

[1:51:08] So it's easy to see from the road.

[1:51:10] Do you guys want it?

[1:51:11] Not necessarily.

[1:51:13] If they want a bigger sign attached to their house,

[1:51:16] sure, but you should probably allow for something small

[1:51:20] that says, hey, this is it.

[1:51:22] There you go.

[1:51:23] It's OK.

[1:51:23] I think it's like Park Strip.

[1:51:24] I'm thinking Mike.

[1:51:25] You know, like if we're saying the size for death

[1:51:28] to the house, we need to keep it.

[1:51:29] And maybe, right, maybe a front setback that gives you

[1:51:33] a lot of area from the road.

[1:51:34] Do your setback to display another

[1:51:38] size. So they just we get just with the name.

[1:51:47] I'm not talking a big size.

[1:51:56] Yeah the ones that I've

[1:51:57] seen are just in like little wooden or metal signs that people have and it hasn't even their

[1:52:04] business and it's enough that if they're looking for address and they see the name of the business

[1:52:09] They're like, oh, that's that's it.

[1:52:14] I think we just hit six square feet.

[1:52:17] For the one by the, he's going by the driveway.

[1:52:20] Margin and one square foot.

[1:52:22] Well, I was just picking a number.

[1:52:23] That's okay. That's why I keep asking.

[1:52:25] The language fits.

[1:52:26] I thought you'd like to give me a take measure.

[1:52:27] I don't visualize it unless I can see it.

[1:52:29] One by one.

[1:52:30] One square foot is that big, but you could also do one square foot like four inches by, four inches by,

[1:52:53] I think the best ones I've seen is they're not in the park strip but they're like in the yard and they're almost like

[1:53:03] They're kind of the smaller yard signs, like the, or the, the locals, or like this, you know what I mean?

[1:53:09] So I think if you haven't touched the house, I think that's not going to be good. Most people want to damage the

[1:53:13] stuff over wherever their house. I think if they want to want to put not in the park strip, it may just like inside the setbacks that run or

[1:53:19] setback. That means you're a property not city. Yeah, I think that setback should be fair.

[1:53:32] Yeah, could you? Here's a make sense. You put something on the fence to guide people back to them. What's the one square foot thing again?

[1:53:41] because otherwise you would make traffic situations worse by people going up

[1:53:48] and down trying to figure out where they're supposed to be. Robert you say to

[1:53:52] six foot squares. I only say that because when I look for a street address every day

[1:53:57] and they don't have them placed on their house it's really frustrating.

[1:54:01] Sometimes you knock on the run-cast. You have one six foot sign on your house or you

[1:54:07] put it in your window showing outside or whatever that is.

[1:54:11] And then after one other sign, on a fence, on a little side,

[1:54:15] those are both smaller.

[1:54:17] It's a square foot, paying out how you want to orient it.

[1:54:20] It says, so someone's bakery arrow this way.

[1:54:27] I rather do the bigger one on the front.

[1:54:29] It's not going to be out, brother, but I think you can still

[1:54:31] make them nice.

[1:54:32] And I think we have a lot of rules that we

[1:54:33] came up with that Ryan mentioned last time, which I

[1:54:36] agree with, I don't want it like excessive like bright blue and yellow as you

[1:54:39] drive by, but it may only do something just like Earth's own colors or just

[1:54:43] an example, you don't do that, but just something really stupid in the yard

[1:54:47] but the setbacks, because I think if you're not going to see that either, that's my

[1:54:52] opinion.

[1:54:55] Do you guys want to leave it as is or you guys don't pay change in mind or?

[1:54:59] For me, it's good and then we see a problem like people approach us. I think we're

[1:55:04] going to prevent the long-term business, concrete business.

[1:55:07] So it feels like a yard, like a real house.

[1:55:11] OK, Ryan.

[1:55:12] I don't want to, I don't want to live a flashing or a dressing

[1:55:17] or distracting motor.

[1:55:19] So that's already in there.

[1:55:21] Yeah, I'm just don't want to just ask.

[1:55:23] And if you guys are OK with like the two by six,

[1:55:25] sign with setbacks off the front yard.

[1:55:28] Like was it like 10, there was no 30 feet or 30 feet, 20 feet?

[1:55:32] Jordan would know.

[1:55:33] You know, George says that's different.

[1:55:35] Depends on the law.

[1:55:36] What's the average?

[1:55:37] 20.

[1:55:37] 20?

[1:55:38] I'm okay with like 15, 20 up from the law of mine,

[1:55:42] or the road.

[1:55:43] No?

[1:55:44] Let me know.

[1:55:45] Does that make sense?

[1:55:46] I need to speak with him.

[1:55:50] Oh, God.

[1:55:52] Okay.

[1:55:52] We have to do small.

[1:55:53] Within the property outside of the right of way?

[1:55:56] The way of Dan is asking if you want the bigger ones out front.

[1:55:59] Yeah.

[1:56:00] The question.

[1:56:00] Yeah.

[1:56:00] I just want like a foot is just too tiny.

[1:56:02] I think it's going to be way.

[1:56:03] I think either you'd want to do

[1:56:05] six foot out front but not too far to the road but versus a foot. I just think it's really too tiny. No one's going to see that.

[1:56:12] Do I need two feet on the road? Say what?

[1:56:15] Two feet on the road. Two square foot sides.

[1:56:18] Two.

[1:56:20] I'm going to do like two.

[1:56:22] Two square foot.

[1:56:23] Yeah, we need to do two or three. We have two square foot. I mean that's like, yeah, I'll be okay with that.

[1:56:28] Yeah, that's why I keep asking is one thing enough.

[1:56:30] Yeah, I think the two would be fine.

[1:56:32] Okay, you guys okay with that. Okay, you know I

[1:56:42] think two by two is that we're looking at

[1:56:47] Okay, so you're okay with the yard and the house

[1:56:51] We're you suggesting one sign?

[1:56:54] Yes, wherever you want to put it

[1:56:57] Well, we've been talking about his two signs of different sizes.

[1:57:03] You once just

[1:57:08] front yard when they get a yard sale or whatever. Are you on the document? Do you see the changes?

[1:57:13] I am. Can you see the changes? Are you okay with that?

[1:57:18] I don't think we need more than one sign.

[1:57:20] I think most people don't want to put more than one sign. So one sign but they can choose to put

[1:57:24] in the yard two by two or in the house. But you were talking about this one foot sign and that's

[1:57:31] where I was confused and I don't know what multiple signs were given the opportunity to

[1:57:37] do a little advertising but just do it with one sign.

[1:57:40] Okay. Are you okay with the two square feet out front versus attach the house?

[1:57:48] Okay.

[1:57:53] One sign and then once they come somewhere.

[1:57:55] Yeah.

[1:57:55] Okay.

[1:57:58] Okay.

[1:58:00] Are we all good?

[1:58:02] So we got here two people warming a one sign limit but just saying put it in different places.

[1:58:11] How is the rest of the council feel about you want to have one sign?

[1:58:14] Do you want to allow for two different sizes depending on where they're at?

[1:58:18] Two different sizes.

[1:58:24] I don't want to limit the ability where I probably wouldn't want to have something large at the street for myself.

[1:58:38] But up where it's not bothering anybody, I could have something at my door.

[1:58:47] I think if you took off the was in the main dwelling you like attached to even the larger

[1:58:53] one of those fine and then within that setback this one.

[1:58:58] So I just would have someone might want to put it inside their window, that was my

[1:59:03] with thought. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:59:07] That makes us. So the question that do you want one total or option

[1:59:12] have to as as bring it's up to two. I think you have a sign that

[1:59:17] chosen where it is. Do you need to?

[1:59:22] And then the second reason I

[1:59:24] would give that it would be nice is if you have a particular door

[1:59:29] that you want somebody go to as well as letting them know where

[1:59:33] are out on the road and a particular door. That's two.

[1:59:41] So they'd like to do a

[1:59:42] in-house massage or they have my head, CPR. Signed all over for our home-based

[1:59:48] medicine in the community now and this opens it up to a massive signs of

[1:59:52] light. Most people don't want signs on every single street, every single block.

[1:59:57] the other day of the businesses, like people who are raised.

[2:00:00] The street signs everywhere. That's right. They're not out there, right? We have lots of home-based business operating. This opens us up to changing the look of.

[2:00:14] There's tons and tons of home-based businesses here already. None of them have signs. They don't care too really. Most of them don't want them. Yeah. I think it's the preschools and everything like that. Nobody even has signs. I think one is plenty. I know that.

[2:00:29] and commercial businesses a lot of times they're limited to once you know you guys out here

[2:00:35] but a lot of commercial businesses are limited to a single sign so I don't know why we'd be giving

[2:00:40] home-based businesses two signs or multiples it doesn't make a lot of sense okay Dan and Doyle

[2:00:51] we're a favor of one John is a favor of allowing two I want one that so now I'm going to think this

[2:00:57] four. You can have one sign six square feet on or within the building or two

[2:01:05] square feet out in your yard outside of the right of way within your

[2:01:09] property. Okay. Is that good?

[2:01:16] I think we're good with that. You can have one

[2:01:18] that's six square feet on the house and two square feet or four. So why are we

[2:01:28] changing the rules based on if you put it out in your yard I can only have six

[2:01:34] square root two square feet. If I put it on in my house I can have six square feet.

[2:01:39] Do you want it? I proposed. How's this last impact for Doyle? You put a bunch of

[2:01:43] six square feet signs in everyone's front yard. We're a billboard for the walking billboard.

[2:01:48] That's how I view it. I was cool with either one doll. The first one I

[2:01:52] mentioned is what you just mentioned and the second one was trying to get the two by two at least.

[2:01:57] So, Doyle, is your vote to limit to one sign on the house bill?

[2:02:02] Mine is just one period.

[2:02:09] That's the way that Rob just wrote it.

[2:02:13] Is there further?

[2:02:14] Is there something just to make it?

[2:02:17] You know, I have one

[2:02:21] sign with the political

[2:02:28] science.

[2:02:29] You know, put down

[2:02:33] 37, shouldn't you get 50 signs and say, come see our model home.

[2:02:39] That's a perfect example of what, if we're not careful, we could have happened in time.

[2:02:42] You can tell you can tell you have that too and then you also see where you know made avenues where the trees are so thick

[2:02:48] That they have a little one out front say hey this way then other sign later on so I've seen both ways

[2:02:54] Are you okay? I'm okay leave it this way or if

[2:02:58] Dole wants to do the two the six-square feet in the front was just one sign

[2:03:02] I'm okay with either right I agree it likes in the comments made a night like

[2:03:07] Most people care up put in signs out front

[2:03:19] Okay,

[2:03:22] there we have 6.5, which I think we all agree with that one.

[2:03:25] I did have four nuisances since it does have nuisances.

[2:03:28] Yeah.

[2:03:29] I just want to highlight that was a change that I made without direction.

[2:03:32] Thank you, Rob.

[2:03:34] I think we all agree with this one.

[2:03:35] Okay, so one term only.

[2:03:35] That's why I'm raising it.

[2:03:37] I think, well, we refer to it.

[2:03:38] We passed it. 6.6 is 7am to 7pm operations.

[2:03:43] I think we're good on that one list and we have an objection to that.

[2:03:47] 6.7. This is the deliveries.

[2:03:52] This is your traffic so I can solidate the various traffic one than the one that says.

[2:03:57] It points on section 9 which is where we have the specific regulations for home occupations versus home based businesses.

[2:04:03] That's where we'll specify, come on patients, know,

[2:04:06] and base businesses up to 12 on that bridge.

[2:04:10] And then it has the hours for,

[2:04:13] I mean, the traffic that you talked about last time.

[2:04:17] When we were talking about this before,

[2:04:21] we had mentioned that there's some deliveries

[2:04:24] that are happening on a daily basis through cams

[2:04:27] and FedEx and UPS.

[2:04:30] Is that actually I did not see anywhere in this order that so that was actually talked about or anything like that.

[2:04:38] So, are you saying that if I have a residential use I can have Amazon 10x.

[2:04:44] Yes, everything helps coming, bringing my shoes, everything else like that.

[2:04:49] But if I have a business, I can't have those same things and they get counted towards the number of things that are coming.

[2:04:59] Yeah, that was our discussion that we 12 that was what I understood the 6 the

[2:05:04] livery trucks and 6 customers a day. Yeah, but were you including those Amazon trucks and your day

[2:05:11] be able to distinguish between that they're bringing me something for my business or personal

[2:05:16] residents. Yeah, because it's a traffic impact. So we said 12 traffic impacts basically was

[2:05:21] the discussion. I don't remember that whatsoever being 12 traffic impacts. Well, that's my terminology

[2:05:27] as you right now, but we did say it would include deliveries.

[2:05:30] I thought we were fine with not counting the vehicles that was already here.

[2:05:36] Like the post office and the Amazon truck.

[2:05:40] Is that a museum?

[2:05:42] Would be, I have a neighbor that gets 10 deliveries a day.

[2:05:46] And if then he added on 12 customers, that's 22 coming to that single neighbor.

[2:05:52] I would absolutely be concerned with that.

[2:06:02] And then if you order something that's personal and something for your business from the same

[2:06:08] vehicle, how do you know which one's which?

[2:06:10] It's guidelines that we can use something about it.

[2:06:15] We don't have anything to stop it, then there's nothing we can go back in the journal.

[2:06:19] And how are you going to know if it's going for their business to mount them?

[2:06:23] Well, are we jumping down to 9, are we going to do a 6.7, the time at 6am and 9pm?

[2:06:29] I think so.

[2:06:30] I don't even think about that.

[2:06:31] The residential business may not generate traffic prior to 6pm, so that was...

[2:06:36] Yeah, I think that was...

[2:06:37] It just doesn't look until 7pm.

[2:06:38] I know Jonathan wants to 6am for employees to come.

[2:06:42] Yeah.

[2:06:42] You need two more hours afterwards for employees to be done.

[2:06:44] That's what I want.

[2:06:45] That's not how that reads to me.

[2:06:48] So my...

[2:06:49] It's generating traffic.

[2:06:50] That means you can have customers, you can have deliveries.

[2:06:53] You still have the hours of operation, the one above, the top.

[2:06:56] Right, but.

[2:06:57] Seven, and a traffic includes delivery, shipping, and customers.

[2:07:01] So it's, as I understood it, or mentioned to me, it's supposed to be at six to seven.

[2:07:06] You're not actually opening your business, but you could have the other traffic during that time.

[2:07:13] Delivery is so you can get ready for business.

[2:07:15] Right.

[2:07:16] Oh, share amount, generate.

[2:07:17] I require traffic, including deliveries.

[2:07:26] I think I'd be okay being short on 9 p.m. but I think, you know, I don't want to, yeah,

[2:07:31] they cannot succeed on.

[2:07:32] Do you want to, like, 6.30 or do you want to leave a 6, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. so they can't generate

[2:07:39] traffic.

[2:07:40] Okay.

[2:07:41] So you want to change that, and then I'm okay leaving it or changing it, so I see the

[2:07:48] pros of both are in cons, but 9pm is 9pm a little late, what business wouldn't

[2:07:58] need to stay open to 9.

[2:08:07] Do we talk to some snare about that last time I can't remember.

[2:08:15] Yeah, I'm just again nighttime. Yeah, the six makes a little more sense of a nine. I'm just trying to think of what we talked about the nine. I

[2:08:23] don't know if you talked about the nine. I don't think we did. I just think right now the dark and we want to keep our

[2:08:31] That's a lot of traffic for nine o'clock in the afternoon.

[2:08:37] So, of course they make a conclusion to seven.

[2:08:38] What are the two hours?

[2:08:39] What are they going to be?

[2:08:41] Why do we need that extra two hours?

[2:08:43] This is what was left from the last time we talked about it.

[2:08:46] We had the hours of operation and then we had this as a separate thing.

[2:08:50] I never understood.

[2:08:51] So, I'm assuming it would allow a delivery to happen at eight o'clock to the owner

[2:08:59] who runs the business that can pick up their delivery at 8 o'clock after their

[2:09:02] customers are gone.

[2:09:06] Wrap up any internal work where they're not like open for

[2:09:10] business like to the public but they need to finish up some paperwork and then

[2:09:14] the employee leaves at 8.30 or something. The typical thing we're going to lose at

[2:09:19] 2 a.m. or 4 a.m. you know I mean like things to me hard. I didn't even

[2:09:24] morning one makes a little more sense that eating when I just don't know how

[2:09:26] your name. I guess if a big truck's pulling up at 2 a.m. wake up your neighbor every night,

[2:09:31] but I just don't see that happening, but could you guys won't leave at 8 a.m. or 8 a.m.

[2:09:36] 8 a.m.?

[2:09:36] We put 7 better.

[2:09:39] Oh, 8 a.m.

[2:09:41] Do you want to ask what the 8 a.m.?

[2:09:42] I'm like 8 p.m.?

[2:09:43] Well, with these hours per hit, it's a pretty like 8 p.m. because it's a general contractor.

[2:09:47] Sometimes we're at jobsites at 10 o'clock at night and we're coming home at 11 a.m.

[2:09:51] at midnight.

[2:09:52] With all the theft we've been having a bridal walk.

[2:09:54] I've been doing night patrols at midnight and 1 a.m., which technically is

[2:10:01] Work traffic if you were to dial it up that way, and so I'm just wondering if

[2:10:07] If something like this would

[2:10:10] For him at me from doing that because it's I guess there's someone called on you and said yes

[2:10:14] I was over there and they're making ruckus

[2:10:16] I guess the way would

[2:10:20] He's the owner and he's not

[2:10:21] It's not, it's not as employees, customers,

[2:10:24] he's the owner, the key owners go into their house.

[2:10:27] We're not saying if I'm on work,

[2:10:29] and I'm coming home after nine o'clock

[2:10:32] because I was working, I can't come home

[2:10:34] if my business is based out of my house.

[2:10:37] Well, how is it?

[2:10:38] Yeah, the good question.

[2:10:39] To make sense, like the owner can always

[2:10:40] freely move around in all hours,

[2:10:42] because they look.

[2:10:43] Potentially it couldn't include that.

[2:10:45] So this is also back to John's question.

[2:10:48] So very first sentence,

[2:10:52] we're talking about basically

[2:10:53] what is the definition of traffic? Right now it includes delivery, shipping and customer

[2:10:59] visits, we could just say meaning delivery, shipping and customer visits. So that's the

[2:11:05] only thing we're considering as a traffic impact. And that definition of traffic is only

[2:11:10] tied to this ordinance, not our other traffic. This is all just, yeah. So we could say meaning

[2:11:17] deliveries and then we could John's question, do you want to exempt your common carrier type

[2:11:26] package delivery services, USPS? Here's why, don't. If we stick with 12, which I think is too

[2:11:33] many also, that's on average. Most deliveries will get a few a day, but you're not going to get 12

[2:11:38] deliveries a day every day. If you are, we're going to get you out of the house.

[2:11:46] I see your points. I think on the flip side, though, I mean, the Christmas November, I think Amazon hit my house three times one day for my business or personal personal personal.

[2:11:54] So this is business, yeah, deliveries for business, but when you time exempt, I thought that's where our discussion might not someone's personal orders for their home and their family and all that.

[2:12:04] It was the business.

[2:12:05] But if someone calls from the city, they don't know the difference like because I do order some business stuff around.

[2:12:10] but we'll have multiple, well, I don't know, we're going with the enforcement, but if the

[2:12:16] complainant process is three, and someone calls in three different people, three different

[2:12:21] homes, it says, boy, there's road delivery trucks here every day plus this may cost, I would

[2:12:26] think we want to look at that, that's a problem,

[2:12:30] especially on 8,000 square feet long over

[2:12:32] there, with cars parked on the street.

[2:12:34] I think, I see your points, I think it's just hard to Amazon, I think it's hard even

[2:12:41] trying to gauge that but I see your point. And because I was thinking about this

[2:12:46] goes back to the parking agreements with neighbors. The yard cell thing's not needed.

[2:12:50] If we leave it at 12, it's an average. So if he has a yard cell where he has 50 or 60

[2:12:57] vehicles but then he has no traffic for a month, he's got all those days that he's

[2:13:01] at zero traffic. So when we say it's on average if that's a terminal we use, we're

[2:13:06] not going to impact him. When you use on average you have to define

[2:13:10] When you're taking that average. Yeah, but that's if we're going to use on average, we're going to define that, right?

[2:13:15] It hasn't been defined yet. Well, if it's in that language, we got it to find it.

[2:13:20] If it's not, then we're going to look at that further down. Do you want to define this right now? You guys in the vote?

[2:13:25] We're not to that section. This is not even there.

[2:13:30] But why don't we, why don't we, let's go down, let's keep going.

[2:13:34] So we get held up. Rob, if you want to make a little note on that, please.

[2:13:37] I think we can vote if we want to exempt the delivery trucks or not, because I think it should be included.

[2:13:42] I don't know what to do.

[2:13:43] I just think it's going to be almost impossible to gauge.

[2:13:46] I mean, I see your points very about the point.

[2:13:50] So they just come around.

[2:13:52] I mean, I drive to Salt Lake the more.

[2:13:53] I see like 20 Amazon trucks coming towards the toll county.

[2:13:56] Other things like a built-in warehouse there.

[2:13:57] But I think it'd be very hard to gauge.

[2:14:00] But I mean, we have a nuisance thing where three people call.

[2:14:02] I mean, then we can at least take some action at that point.

[2:14:05] Like he was going on here

[2:14:07] What do I'll have me John what do you guys think?

[2:14:13] No

[2:14:15] We need to sign got him all rather

[2:14:22] Okay

[2:14:31] So let's let's talk with hours and are you okay with six and nine p.m.?

[2:14:36] versus like with which Rob's changing for like other business owners are right

[2:14:40] here. I think I'm okay with Lee you know if you guys want to do APN I'm okay

[2:14:44] doing that but I think I think I think eight is plenty late enough that's an

[2:14:50] hour shoulder on both sides okay any reason why do we wouldn't do nine

[2:15:00] Well, can you tell me any reason why they would be giving deliveries for their business? I don't know. I've just seen there's anything else out there before we kind of ex-naed.

[2:15:13] I don't know. I don't know. I have. Are you guys can't see the chances of making up? So Jordan, based on your question, it now reads, shall not generate required traffic, meaning delivery shipping and customer visits. Is that a leave-at-your concern? That's a good point. Thank you.

[2:15:32] I'm okay with six to eight, okay, six to eight, okay, let's go down to, if there was no that one, I agreed to let me live at the time 6.8, I think that's pretty standard.

[2:15:48] Seven residential business considerations, we talk about sales tax, so we encourage, well, sales tax has reached, this is engaged in residential business or responsible reporting, collecting, remitting, all applicable, sales tax of proper gathering authority, if required.

[2:16:01] is the responsibility of this residential business owner

[2:16:04] to comply with state and local tax regulations.

[2:16:06] I don't think anybody has any options that.

[2:16:09] Done?

[2:16:10] No, no.

[2:16:12] Insurance, we put 7.2.

[2:16:14] This is your recommendation that residential businesses

[2:16:15] consider obtaining liability insurance

[2:16:18] or other types of insurance for themselves

[2:16:19] and their business for potential loss of damage.

[2:16:21] The need for interest may, and I think very

[2:16:25] dependent on the nature of business.

[2:16:27] Sometimes I worry about us requiring

[2:16:37] I'm just thinking like that I can't come back and like well you don't require it or suggest it so it's a suggestion it's not required but

[2:16:45] which is that I agree Kathleen on hers too like do you should just take the one out or do you think it actually protects the city a little bit by saying hey well we encourage you.

[2:16:52] I know more education. Sorry Tom. More educational. I was going to say I don't think that it affects the city at all. I think it's

[2:17:00] trying to be

[2:17:02] Good with the businesses that are there and saying hey, this is maybe something that you haven't considered because the whole idea of home-based

[2:17:10] Businesses or home occupations and somebody's like I'm going to try something out. Let's see if it works and they're probably going to be pretty inexperienced

[2:17:18] to doing something. If they weren't in experience of doing something, they'd be going somewhere

[2:17:24] else and doing some other thing that, like, these are the people trying to put food on

[2:17:33] their cable. Well, I like that point about having a concern about cabling too. Like, is this

[2:17:38] or is it, oh, you should really admit that some people will take that as a literal, oh, I need insurance

[2:17:42] because our feedback on that and some public is going to always, don't tell me what to do,

[2:17:48] I think this is great. What you said, John, I absolutely agree.

[2:17:51] Does that more in the application process? We put that on the form.

[2:17:55] May we register with the city?

[2:17:56] Yeah, it's kind of like, so maybe maybe.

[2:17:58] So these are things you might want to consider.

[2:18:00] That's what this is saying.

[2:18:02] Pass it. Versus considerations.

[2:18:04] Okay. I'm okay with either or I think as long as we have an educational piece,

[2:18:09] the register here you go.

[2:18:14] John's for leaving it.

[2:18:16] I'm okay leaving it. I don't see hurting us. I don't see a hurting person that's reading

[2:18:23] through it.

[2:18:26] I guess there is always the option that somebody would say, oh well, now I'm

[2:18:29] required to get insurance, but it doesn't say that. Do you want to scratch or leave it?

[2:18:35] If you remove it, then you open up the city.

[2:18:41] Oh, is that true, Robert?

[2:19:24] Okay, let's move on. Okay, we got through there. 7.3, anything on that one? I don't really have any things on that one.

[2:19:33] Yeah, that's a good one. The more educational on that one, right, Rob? 10.3.

[2:19:37] I have a question on the ADA since you're limiting the science ADA science don't count.

[2:19:44] You definitely don't count that.

[2:19:51] I have a council trying to cite someone putting an ADA sign.

[2:19:56] I will be right there with you.

[2:19:59] If you want it to be complex though because I do want it alone.

[2:20:01] Yeah, yeah, if it's catered private property you have different requirements and public property

[2:20:07] It's all really complex. So we didn't even try to explain what the ID requirements are we say there are some you should go

[2:20:14] Educate yourself if you're open to the public. It's also protects residents from suits. Yeah, I've seen small

[2:20:20] This is shut down because they didn't have our ramp over a two-step thing and yeah

[2:20:26] So with these two parents really hard when you don't want people to watch our phone all your life

[2:20:30] Do we have anything here as a city is not liable for any business owner or fails to obtain insurance or comply with 88?

[2:20:35] We don't need to we're not responsible for them to do it.

[2:20:39] We actually might be if we tell them to do it and we don't check on it still not really but

[2:20:45] say we said you must provide proof of insurance you know your commercial general liability insurance

[2:20:49] went to your business license application and then we approved a business license and we didn't check that

[2:20:54] so I might say you should have checked that that's why they don't since like okay we still wouldn't be held liable for it

[2:21:00] But someone might try to throw that at the same time.

[2:21:03] This is, just so you're aware when you're starting a home-based business,

[2:21:06] these are some considerations, I think it's great education.

[2:21:09] Okay.

[2:21:11] So we're on 7.4 unless I may have some more questions.

[2:21:15] I'm still concerned it says it's placed up on the hosting site.

[2:21:19] It seems like it had a registration process and everything and they give their tax ID.

[2:21:25] Are you on 7.3 rent?

[2:21:26] Oh, I thought you said 7.4.

[2:21:27] No, it's 7.4, yes, go ahead.

[2:21:34] because it's the government's responsibility for tax collection.

[2:21:38] It's the person's responsibility for rewriting this,

[2:21:41] but the business owner is not a tax collector.

[2:21:51] The same hosting site would be the one that they did the show.

[2:21:54] But that's really worried for rewriting an Airbnb or a company collected for us.

[2:21:58] That's not proper. It should be the homeowner that's operating.

[2:22:02] Would it be good to do both?

[2:22:04] If they're operating through the hosting site then it is.

[2:22:07] I can show you three right now that it's going to tell me still and one that's going to Lake Wentz city, but the state the hosting site still collecting the taxes, but we can't hold them responsible for the hosting site to give the tax.

[2:22:21] You can only know the owner responsible to file it.

[2:22:24] Did you do both wrong?

[2:22:27] Can you pose something in there to cover both?

[2:22:30] All right, and I'll send it where we can't have you told me so I can tell Jim to have that over.

[2:22:36] Yes, we sent some to the hospital's site or on there as well.

[2:22:40] I know they're going to count me.

[2:22:41] There we go.

[2:22:42] Do you guys look as like for Rich?

[2:22:43] You just put both.

[2:22:45] I think that'd be okay.

[2:22:46] Because Jim would switch that over to tell me.

[2:22:49] Well, most I think most residents want to help out there city.

[2:22:52] No, we'll know what Jim's the state of Utah.

[2:22:54] Oh.

[2:22:55] Some of this falls to the owner to do the right thing saying what they live.

[2:22:58] When they put a 407 for it goes to through the county without identifying it has to go to like the city

[2:23:03] I've got screenshots. I'll send you tonight because there was a complaint in whatever meetings that don't tell us what to do

[2:23:09] Well, I pulled them up and they're not coming to us. They're going to the county only one that I found that's actually says

[2:23:16] Transuit tax point city. Do you like do you like Rob's thing it clues a hosting site as long as that fixes and owner should we do end owner?

[2:23:24] but I don't know if it's the owner's fault that it's going to work.

[2:23:27] Well, I mean, it just holds them more, both accountable.

[2:23:29] I mean, they're not in there.

[2:23:30] I mean, we're good with horror and on that rub.

[2:23:34] Yeah.

[2:23:35] Okay, you guys watch.

[2:23:36] I'm okay with it.

[2:23:37] I think it makes it broader.

[2:23:37] So, definition of short-term reno is that, like, 130 days.

[2:23:44] Yep, 130 days.

[2:23:45] Well, 30 days are best.

[2:23:48] Just Airbnb requires.

[2:23:56] I think that's something that we'd have Rob or a city would we send a letter to them.

[2:24:03] They have a corporate mailbox number and then what happens they would, you know,

[2:24:07] coordinate with us on that somehow, in some way.

[2:24:09] It takes some effort on our end for sure.

[2:24:11] I'm

[2:24:14] going to be up here just trying to think of the tax and how to get that over to us.

[2:24:20] We need to go through those.

[2:24:22] We need to update their after us.

[2:24:24] You need to do it with a pay for 0,7,4 and then you have to find the map for the code.

[2:24:31] So, look, say you might get some of the owners you'd update their listing so that's why I'm telling you.

[2:24:35] You have to go through the owner.

[2:24:37] That would be good.

[2:24:37] Well, I don't know if we need it in there.

[2:24:39] This is just me after a year of dealing with the tax.

[2:24:42] Oh yeah.

[2:24:43] Maybe we didn't talk to the owner and say hey you make sure that you've updated you put last four on and you make sure you say

[2:24:48] Like point we're new city and you're you know Airbnb or whatever may not have that up well once again

[2:24:53] I think it's an educational thing to put in I think you put in I think put it in their room. I think I think it's good

[2:25:00] Do we have that in there with the show you?

[2:25:02] This is where it says to me to accounting on a call so before with the there's one

[2:25:12] Okay.

[2:25:13] Could change the user and how they do it.

[2:25:15] You know, because we have had this conversation, sorry, moving away on track, oh, referring.

[2:25:20] Sorry.

[2:25:21] Because, you know, those stupid automated systems that you put in 84074 and automatically

[2:25:25] can talk to you too little.

[2:25:26] Too little again.

[2:25:27] And I've had several, you know, couple of citizens call and say, can you get that answer

[2:25:30] away?

[2:25:31] Yeah.

[2:25:31] I don't know.

[2:25:32] Yeah.

[2:25:33] I'll try.

[2:25:34] I don't know if we have to go about getting that automatic population to it and go to us.

[2:25:40] Is there anything Robert could tweak on that to suffice?

[2:25:46] Okay. Are you guys okay with this or do you want an owner?

[2:25:48] This one in combination if we vote for the registration and we require the sales tax

[2:25:53] ID that will allow us to file with the state also.

[2:25:55] Yeah. Well and I think Kathleen's communicating and they just say here's the tax ID number

[2:26:00] and here's other things and I think it'll be fine. I mean the state's going to follow the

[2:26:04] request from the state, right Kathleen?

[2:26:06] If we have, if we shall then that's our city and they can move it over if it's a identified

[2:26:10] business within like point then he'll move it over to the state supersedes the

[2:26:14] I have to I would I've never done it with it. I've never talked to him about it being me. Any of the other

[2:26:19] businesses is he knows it's in a like point boundary he moves it over into our tax. So do you want to host

[2:26:24] inside end? Here's where I can show you just for events. I'll have to use that at the point. So thank you.

[2:26:32] We got him right, some don't.

[2:26:34] We still still on there though, Ryan, does it hitting both?

[2:26:37] So yes, it still gets money.

[2:26:41] That's why our...

[2:26:41] Okay.

[2:26:43] So there's two though, so local cells,

[2:26:46] the new stack for cell stacks, and transit room tax

[2:26:48] is still going to do it.

[2:26:49] Okay.

[2:26:50] So the transit tax is not coming with it.

[2:26:53] The transit is going to help us.

[2:26:56] I'll be okay for and owner.

[2:27:00] I just want to make sure that's coming here not going to be good for hosting site and owner, so that way it's like, well, the hosting site, that way it includes both, are you guys okay on that?

[2:27:17] Moving on, let's be having objections, 7.5 inspections.

[2:27:24] I'm okay, I think exactly changing the amount of rub, everything is good.

[2:27:28] Okay, eight, 8.1, yep, this is where a type of small motor appliance is, rather you put welding.

[2:27:34] I have the comment on the minimum head welding type things.

[2:27:41] Do we do anything else?

[2:27:42] So, basically, as these are not operated, this is the fact that definition of home-based businesses

[2:27:46] are the ones that may have the off-site impacts.

[2:27:49] This says, if you're repairing your servicing vehicles, we're going to consider you a home-based business,

[2:27:53] not a home occupation.

[2:27:55] So you have to comply with home-based business rules, which means you get a business license

[2:28:00] if you have some parking issues if you have parking.

[2:28:04] You also had under 8.1.2 is where everything has to be stored and work on inside of the

[2:28:09] structure.

[2:28:10] And then 8.1.3 is you have to have the inspections, make sure you have your oil traps and just

[2:28:16] also things all proper.

[2:28:18] I feel good about that.

[2:28:19] We discussed that one in line.

[2:28:20] I feel like last time I thought we did pretty good.

[2:28:22] If you guys want to tweet that at all, I think it sounds great.

[2:28:25] The 8.1.2, work outside of the structure is not permitted.

[2:28:32] As in, well, maybe you can divide well.

[2:28:34] If you're defying more as in like, we're just thinking if it's properly been inside of

[2:28:37] building.

[2:28:39] Depends on what you're doing, because...

[2:28:41] Well, if your home supplies and stuff, I guess that would be...

[2:28:45] If you're at building?

[2:28:46] If you're servicing or repairing, it depends on what you're qualifying that out.

[2:28:54] Yeah, we could define a little bit better if you want.

[2:28:57] Just, I don't see,

[2:29:03] there's some things that would be easier to be done outside of the building.

[2:29:10] my neighbor has a as a welder and my sister-in-law had a trailer that the

[2:29:22] step had broken off of it and it couldn't fit into any place but he could

[2:29:27] halt his welder machine equipment out there and in the yard he was able to

[2:29:31] weld it in about five minutes time and that was good.

[2:29:43] I'm just saying there's different types of work outside of a structure that has to be,

[2:29:54] or would be very useful to the outside of this structure, if it allowed to go along the

[2:29:59] line.

[2:30:01] Repair or services of vehicles.

[2:30:05] I think what you're talking John, I'd support if it was on a home occupation only, but if they can have five welders out there working outside the structure, I'm absolutely concerned with that.

[2:30:16] Five people pumping away at welding out on the property. But that would hit the sound, right on the news. There's a lot of things that are exempt during the day time.

[2:30:29] I don't have enough information, that was a tough one.

[2:30:34] Do all the any suggestions on that?

[2:30:37] You have, I mean, I know you're a farmer, but I have too many suggestions on that, but

[2:30:41] I have concerns about the 813.

[2:30:44] Okay.

[2:30:45] You never have any tractor work done?

[2:30:50] Of course, you said you exempted that, but I'm just...

[2:30:54] I'm just somebody's working on it, because like you might have an agricultural rural zone

[2:31:01] allowing a bunch of cars repaired in the yard and take up dozens of cars on it.

[2:31:05] Maybe you could say it's temporary permitted, there's a not permitted at all, because maybe

[2:31:12] you know they did bring their RV over and say hey, I mean it's requiring this to be inside.

[2:31:18] Yeah.

[2:31:18] I'm just thinking you might have those, you might have something that we're occasionally

[2:31:22] like RV the steps are on metal right now usually rusts the junk but are you guys okay do you

[2:31:28] may do say usually you just drag them across the rock as you're going over the rock few roads and

[2:31:34] cool a lot you have to fix them. Rob do you have any suggestions on that on the conversation?

[2:31:42] My only thought is this is meant as a business regulation yeah so it's not someone just doing it for

[2:31:48] their own stuff.

[2:31:51] But if you are seeing, I don't know whether you want me not. Well,

[2:31:55] but this is just what I want. And enough yet, any other ideas to roll off what we're

[2:31:59] talking or discussing. Oh, so sometimes bring into their location and it's not their personal

[2:32:04] world, and it's not there. If you bring your trailer to your friend's house to have them

[2:32:08] welded quickly, that's on a home occupation. Yeah, you know, they're welded, but they work

[2:32:12] you know, up on jobs such whatever, they're just doing it as a favor. That's not considered

[2:32:17] I don't know how much patient or business that's been followed is that's just then doing the favor for a friend

[2:32:23] This is you have a shop that's set up to do this type of repair work

[2:32:28] You're saying inside person needs to be inside some kind of shop building barn something. Okay

[2:32:35] And then that that goes on to say I'll be able to put on appliances to be serviced repair

[2:32:45] must be stored, worked on, maintained, repaired within that storage and work outside of the structure is not permitted.

[2:32:53] So if they fix something, they can't keep it on the outside.

[2:32:55] So if it's a lot more, they fixed and they have several, they can't keep it on the outside.

[2:33:02] Would you as be open to maybe on the storage?

[2:33:06] Which would affect some of our residents right now?

[2:33:08] I'm just saying, if you guys are open to out-of-you and then they have option to like they can store some things.

[2:33:16] I don't have an acre but if I could store 40 refridges and stoves and everything on my property and they're all under repair, that's a big deal to the community.

[2:33:25] You'd lie on your property if the planet says I get what we're saying on our current guys.

[2:33:31] Like like Mike has, like, 10, 5 to 10, I'm like, yeah, legally operating prior to this ordinance.

[2:33:47] It would impact the new videos like that.

[2:33:53] So I get what we're saying, we get small moors, I don't know that we want to impact that way.

[2:33:58] if there's going to be new ones, anything existing that's legal is not exactly grandfathered,

[2:34:03] not confirmed.

[2:34:04] Or you do, or maybe you could do something with that to Millic so often, you can't

[2:34:08] have a stationery.

[2:34:09] I guess the example came from our own financial aid, as you do that, and I'll put 20 vehicles

[2:34:13] on my lot, and I'll be under repair, and that's what we're trying to prevent, right?

[2:34:18] Limiting that.

[2:34:20] I think you're coming from that, and then John's coming from the point of like, well, I don't

[2:34:25] I'm in all the way

[2:34:27] Is there something we can I think carving out like

[2:34:32] appliances I agree I don't want like 20. Yeah, I don't want 2030 appliances. I mean, yeah, Jordan

[2:34:37] Oh, sorry, sir chair. Just oh, sorry chair

[2:34:42] Okay, you guys have a practice that all year long. I didn't I did choice it. I

[2:34:47] Just to go along with what John said I have a piece of construction equipment that's so big that it won't fit my garage

[2:34:56] And usually I'm not working on it, but two to three times a year, something will break on it and I have to repair it.

[2:35:01] And it's outside on my property when I'm repairing it.

[2:35:06] And it doesn't impact the neighbors, but it has to be done out there because I'm not going to fill the 40 by 40 shop for the two repairs.

[2:35:13] I'm making a year on that piece of equipment.

[2:35:15] And I think our attorneys, that would be your personal.

[2:35:18] If you had that business, you're bringing things in that big to repair.

[2:35:21] That's what this would apply to you.

[2:35:22] Does that mean that it says any residential business, which I am, that repairs or services construction equipment,

[2:35:31] which it's my work's construction equipment.

[2:35:35] So as it reads, that would prohibit me from making that repair of the whole site.

[2:35:40] Which his business is a repair for construction equipment, but it's his equipment, does that mean?

[2:35:45] If it's with the home business, it would still apply to it.

[2:35:47] I wouldn't care what that was applying to it.

[2:35:50] So what's your business construction?

[2:35:53] In a construction work?

[2:35:54] Because outside business is not a business for repair.

[2:35:56] It's a business that repairs, if that makes sense.

[2:35:59] So part of business is I do construction work

[2:36:01] and that's an equipment.

[2:36:02] And I store it most of the time inside, but I take it places.

[2:36:05] And once more, I also work on it as part of the business.

[2:36:08] I could say that's still a following under this regulation.

[2:36:13] You could, I guess maybe as a thought or as an option, kind of the storage outside of a structure

[2:36:19] not permitted, you could have it more just, you have to have some screening, like a fence

[2:36:25] technical, or it's not in view from the public, how we did that before, I don't know if that's

[2:36:30] any time limit.

[2:36:39] That's going to be very hard to enforce me and you can't because I'm going to say that's

[2:36:45] all my stuff.

[2:36:47] No, I mean if I repair game consoles, I can repair mine all day long, I don't mind breaks,

[2:36:52] but if I'm bringing in 40 a week to repair and I'm storing them somewhere outside, that'd

[2:36:59] be different.

[2:36:59] because I'm not, I'm doing work for another, not my personal equipment for my business.

[2:37:08] I mean, I think we all are trying to, we had lots of feedback about the issues and scenarios,

[2:37:13] so I don't know how we fixed those scenarios that we had very vocal public feedback.

[2:37:20] And I think it's not one item, it's like the excess.

[2:37:23] Multiple things on a lot being repaired at a time,

[2:37:27] and an ongoing cycling of those,

[2:37:30] like, they bring the next four cars in.

[2:37:32] We talked about her to auto in that example

[2:37:34] where they'd limit them over there,

[2:37:36] even if you had this many on the residential property,

[2:37:38] all of them things have to be shifted,

[2:37:39] garage, so they had two scenarios,

[2:37:42] the big storage where they stuck everything.

[2:37:44] They just had a giant shielded area of fences.

[2:37:46] Rob, no more than two items,

[2:37:49] cannot be stored or worked on outside or what.

[2:37:52] Yeah, you can put it on the other side.

[2:37:58] I think you limit the amount because I worry about the fridges, you know, things like that.

[2:38:02] We're just like this, like, I'm going to have them, but I'll see the person

[2:38:05] opportunity to do that made two to five items, but it has to be moved every

[2:38:09] so often. I mean, join your out there working on your equipment, probably made for

[2:38:13] a week, if that less than that may a day. Yeah, I'm saying so I mean, we just do a two to

[2:38:23] three

[2:38:24] items do you think that'd be okay and then because there is equipment like you

[2:38:30] know not just probably like oil but like very few people can port those big

[2:38:34] warehouse garages and knowing that but we already have a limitation how much we

[2:38:37] could put on the land you know percentage so

[2:38:46] this is a tough one because there's

[2:38:53] That's what I said, I don't know what to do, but not a free for all because right now this also applies to every lot size.

[2:39:03] So we open this up to 8,000 square foot loss.

[2:39:08] They feel their backyard now that's all that's there.

[2:39:13] That's a good reaction.

[2:39:15] Well, once again, the only way you could do that is maybe do it per lot size like limitations, but that's no, I was only thinking that that's you.

[2:39:21] I know I know it's not

[2:39:23] I'll figure out the number

[2:39:25] Rob was 550 items

[2:39:27] No I was a joke

[2:39:31] I think you have the 3 to 5 items

[2:39:34] I think you have the 3 to 5 items

[2:39:34] I'll put my umbrella in the box

[2:39:38] I want to suggest something

[2:39:39] I feel like I suggest it and then it locks

[2:39:41] Like in your mind?

[2:39:43] There's a negotiation

[2:39:44] I'm gonna suggest something and it locks something

[2:39:47] I think I'd be okay with up to 5

[2:39:53] I mean, we can always come back in a minute, there are some things that seem hard.

[2:39:58] Yeah, what we should do is limit on large items and small items.

[2:40:01] You could do like my, as 20 lawn mowers probably in a good time, right?

[2:40:06] Well, at least 5 to 10.

[2:40:07] They might be kept in a nice area.

[2:40:09] Organized, nice.

[2:40:11] So maybe we do a smaller than we do a larger.

[2:40:14] I think so.

[2:40:14] And limit on large and limit points.

[2:40:17] A point?

[2:40:17] Yes.

[2:40:18] But that's what points are going to go.

[2:40:19] No, I haven't seen one, it has a point for animals and it's a mess.

[2:40:24] Good for two.

[2:40:25] Do you have a number of flies?

[2:40:27] Yeah, yeah.

[2:40:28] The county.

[2:40:29] So are you saying that right here?

[2:40:30] Think about it.

[2:40:30] The county tried to do it based on, if you heard this, usable space.

[2:40:34] So when you had a maker, but they didn't count your house, you're building your own, dry

[2:40:38] room.

[2:40:39] Only your usable space.

[2:40:42] So what do you, I think, do you want to, do you want to fire it, or you want to see it

[2:40:45] fire it?

[2:40:45] All that against you.

[2:40:46] Oh, yes.

[2:40:46] Yes.

[2:40:47] Well, you have left is this part here?

[2:40:49] That would be more true.

[2:40:50] That's how many animals you could have.

[2:40:51] They went away from that one.

[2:40:53] I mean, five is just a reasonable number.

[2:40:55] Again with the enforcement.

[2:40:56] It's going to be looking at some of these like, ah, they have a yard full of stuff.

[2:41:01] We know you're over the five.

[2:41:03] I said that we might have to go to school.

[2:41:05] I think it was under repair.

[2:41:06] That's a big deal.

[2:41:07] You could do square footage.

[2:41:10] That's true.

[2:41:11] Yeah.

[2:41:12] You could do square footage.

[2:41:13] It could be more than this square footage.

[2:41:15] You don't have to be able to be invited on to their preference and measure it work on and still yeah, I'm very fortunate by the gun.

[2:41:25] He's a strong one item.

[2:41:32] I like the square footage.

[2:41:33] 300 square feet of property.

[2:41:36] That's not a good one.

[2:41:37] No, I don't know.

[2:41:38] Just wait too high.

[2:41:40] Do large in a small area.

[2:41:42] You're trying to get a car.

[2:41:44] So what's your equipment?

[2:41:47] Jordan, what would you say is square footage?

[2:41:49] It's massive.

[2:41:49] What kind of equipment does?

[2:41:51] There's a crane over there.

[2:41:54] Well, I mean, a mini excavator and a skid loader, you know.

[2:41:58] So like a 40 foot trailer by 7 feet?

[2:42:03] 8.

[2:42:03] 8?

[2:42:06] Yeah.

[2:42:07] That's 320

[2:42:13] already cars with that.

[2:42:15] that would, I don't think that would be five cards, that would be maybe three cards.

[2:42:24] Unless it's a little tiny smart card, yes,

[2:42:31] no geometries anymore, I guess that's kind of

[2:42:35] I'm key to soul.

[2:42:36] Yeah.

[2:42:38] What you're maybe suggesting?

[2:42:41] Do you think that would be sufficient?

[2:42:45] Work on and store up items.

[2:42:50] Store items.

[2:42:53] Store items.

[2:42:54] I don't want to sell.

[2:42:55] I'm sorry.

[2:42:57] That'd be like, Mariam.

[2:42:59] I think we're okay with this.

[2:43:00] I think we're okay with that.

[2:43:01] I think we're okay with that.

[2:43:04] I don't know. I think that would be decent.

[2:43:09] I think we start doing more detail. It could be pretty hard to

[2:43:11] process. I have a lot of two details that are just saying big gets this and so on.

[2:43:16] It's because within our commercial ordinance, we've talked about even a repair shop in the residential commercial zoning is limited and has to have been put away overnight.

[2:43:25] So we are now saying that the commercial business has less restrictions and more restrictions than our residents.

[2:43:37] What do you want to do like you can have this much car stover nice and repair but the

[2:43:42] shop that's actually shop on commercial property can't do that yeah that's not are you

[2:43:48] seeing me like five or eight big items or something like but we had a fair

[2:43:52] You're gonna get three.

[2:43:53] Fifty-spirited.

[2:43:54] What size is this one?

[2:43:57] One of the side posts around here.

[2:44:00] What size is this one?

[2:44:01] It's a three-joyne.

[2:44:02] It does a big room.

[2:44:03] It's about 20 by 20.

[2:44:04] 20 by 20.

[2:44:04] I don't know.

[2:44:05] I think it's bigger than that, isn't it?

[2:44:07] Yeah.

[2:44:07] Here we go.

[2:44:08] Marching a work by two.

[2:44:09] There you go.

[2:44:10] The oil is not here.

[2:44:10] It's about 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8 and just 3, 20.

[2:44:14] It's 20 by 20.

[2:44:15] Yeah.

[2:44:16] A little bit.

[2:44:17] 20 by 20.

[2:44:20] 20 by 20 is for $400.

[2:44:21] four-hundred square feet.

[2:44:24] A lot of small appliances.

[2:44:26] This is right there.

[2:44:28] I hate them strictly left.

[2:44:29] That's a lot of your knives.

[2:44:30] What if it has to be workable?

[2:44:33] Workable. Like you can't be just

[2:44:35] sitting there, like you can be broke, but

[2:44:37] going through your time, or as we workable, which means

[2:44:39] either the machine has to be eventually fixed

[2:44:41] with some of the days, or

[2:44:43] maybe, you know what I mean? Like you just can't throw

[2:44:45] fridges, they're all like broken.

[2:44:48] Does it make sense as we workable or

[2:44:50] running correctly maybe we just have a timeframe too I don't know

[2:45:00] Kind of down to the chair. What do I say? Jordan has a backhoe and the skidster. Yes, many

[2:45:10] acts, I mean, that's a new name for this space. We want to know everything Jordan has on this

[2:45:15] yard right now. No, I'm just thinking of everybody else. I mean, this, this is thanks. This is all, this, that's

[2:45:21] I don't say a knife. It does.

[2:45:24] I like how you read me wrong.

[2:45:26] Is it for acre?

[2:45:27] Well it's a size.

[2:45:30] They ain't done the square for a lot.

[2:45:32] I don't know. Like I would be okay to come back and back.

[2:45:35] I don't be able to come back on this one later on.

[2:45:39] I just think it was a lot of.

[2:45:41] Yeah.

[2:45:43] You got the 350 square feet.

[2:45:47] Or two large items.

[2:45:48] and more small items,

[2:46:02] I don't know, it's tough with the length, that's why I said I'm going to get it.

[2:46:05] More weight eaters?

[2:46:08] Four weight eaters?

[2:46:10] They're stored outside.

[2:46:12] It's right here, that's it.

[2:46:13] Big ham, okay.

[2:46:14] Do you hear that?

[2:46:15] I don't know what I did.

[2:46:17] I think if you're going to try to do that, it seems like the concern is the square footage was too high.

[2:46:24] but you still need to come or allow for vehicles of some sort. So allow the vehicles to go to the square footage and drop the square footage number down to 100 square feet.

[2:46:37] That's a 10 by 10 area.

[2:46:39] 10 by 10 for the small stuff, or for the, yeah, I just don't know at this one,

[2:46:52] including Ren Lake Point or at least the majority.

[2:47:09] I think we all don't limit people to repair.

[2:47:12] This originally was blocked, remember?

[2:47:14] We had the original ordinance no allowance of any motor vehicle repair or anything like that.

[2:47:18] So now I think we're struggling with just how to write it because we want to do allow that.

[2:47:22] correct. I just know that the individual that you're referring to that does a small

[2:47:31] engines and yeah he is the perfect example of what we want yeah but if you're only

[2:47:37] getting a limit for stored that yeah I don't think that works I mean he's

[2:47:42] exactly where we're more of those square footage works for small things but not

[2:47:48] large things yeah that's what I'm getting out. I think that's the hard thing I

[2:47:51] we're about to is like I don't want to I mean we grandfather P1 but like the same

[2:47:55] time it's like do you want to promote growth you know like if you do fine to

[2:48:01] you think calmness like you know some else wants to do something like that

[2:48:05] right I can't. So then do you want to do it? Oh do I'll go ahead and

[2:48:13] disappear.

[2:48:16] I hope we do

[2:48:16] the larger couple on the large do the number on the large item. All right I just

[2:48:24] I think rigging up is a big way better for my size.

[2:48:29] What?

[2:48:29] I say I think quantity is better, a better regulator than size.

[2:48:36] Zero.

[2:48:36] Three or four cars in my yard.

[2:48:40] Four or five, three or four bridges in my yard that I'm working on.

[2:48:47] One may take out more space than the other, but the quantity is kind of a thing that can control a better thing.

[2:49:10] We can you guys want to try to sign on this tonight, or do you want to bring this one back and try a minute later on?

[2:49:18] Let's do that. Let's do that because this one that one is still back

[2:49:23] Also, do we want to add welding shops and machine shops?

[2:49:26] This is mostly about repairs and stuff

[2:49:35] Welding comment then okay a point 1.3

[2:49:44] do we have anywhere anywhere? That's all I'm saying. You want to do it. You stick it up here.

[2:49:53] Okay,

[2:49:57] anything on 8.1.3?

[2:50:00] I do.

[2:50:00] Good. Good.

[2:50:02] I was trying to get to a while back.

[2:50:08] I can turn there and assume

[2:50:12] the inspections.

[2:50:12] Do we have people called by the individuals to do that type of inspection then?

[2:50:20] Who's going to be responsible for that?

[2:50:24] Instead of the building officials, you tend to build the official fire marshal that is

[2:50:29] maybe coming out of the day, ever get involved, but it's mostly going to be your fire marshal and your building official.

[2:50:35] Building official and fire marshal dole?

[2:50:37] Do we have a cover in the cost?

[2:50:39] Yeah, the building officials should be paid by the may permit maybe, and then I guess the

[2:50:45] No, we don't specify that.

[2:50:47] We would have to put that in there maybe.

[2:50:50] It does say that costs come out of the business license

[2:50:53] permit sheet, but not in this paragraph.

[2:50:59] No, up above, it talks about inspections.

[2:51:01] I get like one a year of that type of thing.

[2:51:03] Do you want to make it specific that they pay for this?

[2:51:08] Let's try to go back up a little bit.

[2:51:10] In my memory, the residents are titled with inspection

[2:51:14] I don't think I can understand that, but um, why are we doing that?

[2:51:17] Um, with the Carlson spectrum born by this one, it's part of the licensing thing, so...

[2:51:25] If you want to make something specific for this, we can.

[2:51:35] I just know it's fairly, fairly expensive to send the fire marshal to inspect the house

[2:51:42] and so it's not going to be for free.

[2:51:46] Do they all, do they charge?

[2:51:48] I don't think they do. I don't think they charge, though.

[2:51:50] What?

[2:51:51] That's present, I don't think they charge.

[2:51:52] Do they charge to the charts? Jamie or no? For a commercial they charge for the

[2:52:00] but for for. So this is basically a powerful inspection. It's not the house or I mean it

[2:52:07] could be the house but these are going to be this is the repair it's like their

[2:52:10] workshop is what they're coming to expect.

[2:52:18] The commercial business under commercial

[2:52:20] actual building. I don't know on a home base business what they would charge. We

[2:52:24] just I do suggest that in the business I'm going to pay the associated inspection

[2:52:28] action fees.

[2:52:29] Yeah.

[2:52:34] The fire department doesn't like to take money and we usually have to take it to them.

[2:52:41] I mean, we can just say they'll have to pay it and we'll figure out how they have to

[2:52:44] pay it.

[2:52:45] Yeah, I'm going to say, as of now, the fire department.

[2:52:47] We can call it all of them.

[2:52:49] Yeah, for the fire department.

[2:52:50] What do you want to take?

[2:52:50] Text to check now.

[2:52:52] Just ask them.

[2:52:53] Do you want to see text to check?

[2:52:54] No, we're quick and just ask them.

[2:52:55] Hey.

[2:52:55] Yeah, I guess it's not like that, but that was okay.

[2:53:03] Okay.

[2:53:06] Okay.

[2:53:22] What?

[2:53:24] We're only specifying this for a business of business and business of doing repair.

[2:53:29] Correct.

[2:53:30] This is only the repair shops around

[2:53:47] here, I'm expecting the current

[2:53:51] doesn't need it, it doesn't need one.

[2:53:53] No, this is not requiring a fair one.

[2:53:59] Okay.

[2:54:00] Do you want to go with that one?

[2:54:03] 8.2.

[2:54:07] Yeah, that's pretty common.

[2:54:09] 8.2.1.

[2:54:11] 8.2.2.

[2:54:15] I think the one that I have questions is 8.2, 3.8, 2.4, 8.2, 0.5.

[2:54:24] I think we've very addressed

[2:54:26] those several times.

[2:54:27] I mean, this is what I pulled from the other one. I think I reorganized it just a bit.

[2:54:31] It's the same language we have for this.

[2:54:34] Okay.

[2:54:34] Moving down to 8.2.6.

[2:54:39] And I said I didn't add 8.2.5, which employees, just because it wasn't clear, so I didn't

[2:54:46] Okay 9.1 9.1.1 9.1.2 Okay, that one dresses Dan to that. It came 9.1.3

[2:55:02] That goes back to my question about

[2:55:06] yeah, this is yeah part of that one down run 1.1.4

[2:55:12] number one which I think are agreed on that one 9.1.5 and the robs of one on traffic traffic

[2:55:22] again we can come back we can go and hash us out later on so let's keep going if you guys

[2:55:27] are cool with that 9.1.6 9.1.6.1 okay we'll go back to the traffic and are you okay with that

[2:55:45] I think that's why we need to, because that should not change, they don't generate traffic.

[2:55:51] Okay.

[2:55:52] Unless you want to change the do.

[2:55:54] I think changing, because I changed the language to the meaning.

[2:55:57] So it's probably the owner can still leave and come as they wish.

[2:56:00] Yeah, well.

[2:56:00] But it's the delivery should be comfortable.

[2:56:02] The only known is if you want to change anything about deliveries.

[2:56:09] Okay. 9.2, 9.2.1, 9.2.2.

[2:56:18] We're down to 9.2. So that's the one that we probably need

[2:56:23] to 9.2, and then 9.2.1. And that's referring back to Section 6, which we can...

[2:56:31] That's the general everything list of 9.2.2 is that for since home this business says they're all the

[2:56:46] part to get a business license. Okay. That's when we discussed last week. Do we finalize that?

[2:56:50] Because I know we talked about registration over the occupation.

[2:56:57] Where we left those registrations for occupation licenses.

[2:56:59] Okay, I also get the option to do registration for this one, the business license if we decide to do the six attend

[2:57:05] You guys want to look at that too and just talk about that one or it's okay if I'm all on it once I can do that we could do either way

[2:57:14] for you guys wanting to do

[2:57:16] I think the only way to know like all the things like five employees and the impact on the community would be

[2:57:24] We're not asking all that on the registration registration like

[2:57:28] Let's impactful and you want a registration on the home occupation, right? Yeah, okay

[2:57:33] And then are you is everyone congruent on having the basis licenses on

[2:57:38] Two to five employees

[2:57:41] Okay, right, Kathleen's fine with it

[2:57:49] Okay,

[2:57:52] yeah, we'll hit that up a little later on I was okay with the registration or business licenses

[2:57:57] but it sounds like we've got three there.

[2:57:59] Moving on to 9.2, 0.3.1,

[2:58:10] okay, 9.2, 0.3.2.

[2:58:13] We have 9.2.3, we have one to set out to see where the home occupations generate.

[2:58:22] We have a whole occupation, the home-based.

[2:58:27] Yeah, there we go, good catch. 9.2, 0.3, 0.2,

[2:58:33] 9.2.3.3, 9.2.3.4, okay, 9.2.4, so this is the beginning of the conversation about

[2:58:46] the expanded option, option. We discussed about having a, I wrote out a potential for allowing

[2:58:56] five to ten employees, so this is that sector where it says you have up to five unless

[2:59:01] that special approval process, which is 9.3, correct?

[2:59:04] So, highlighting that.

[2:59:08] Okay, then you mentioned 9.2.5, yes, 12 vehicles,

[2:59:12] I would talk about that, we can come up to that one, really.

[2:59:15] The question I know that I had there is,

[2:59:17] this is where we wanna put parking spaces

[2:59:19] for customer, customers, if we want to have it.

[2:59:22] As soon as you do, do you not?

[2:59:24] I think all parking should be on the businesses operating

[2:59:29] and that's where we were heading on everything.

[2:59:31] Keep looking at this, if we say that it can be on all these other properties,

[2:59:35] if you know on our home base business, it's commercial site with parking lots.

[2:59:38] Here's my parking lot over here, I've rented, here's my parking lot over here, I've rented.

[2:59:42] What if I signed with five neighbors?

[2:59:44] What if we did an option to wear basically...

[2:59:47] Oh, it's a nice thing, great.

[2:59:49] Because it's on average per day, you know, it takes a big business to get 12 customers every day.

[2:59:55] What if we allow it to where we don't,

[2:59:57] out unless they come and present to City Council and they approve.

[3:00:01] So, the city council would have to vote on that if someone wants to do it and then, you know, then we won't limit it, but yet we vote on it.

[3:00:11] Is it right here where you'd also define more of what your average is?

[3:00:15] So, I don't have to define anywhere else. So, I wanted to, I think there's three questions. First is, you want to require parking for customers?

[3:00:24] Yes.

[3:00:25] That's not spelled out anyway.

[3:00:26] Yeah.

[3:00:26] Off the road.

[3:00:27] We thought we wanted an undercover.

[3:00:29] I thought we would pass this.

[3:00:30] Yes, but if we wanted to, how do we want to specify that?

[3:00:34] I think we're worried.

[3:00:36] I'm not sure.

[3:00:36] So that does tell us into the question of what is 12 visits on average mean?

[3:00:40] Yes.

[3:00:41] And then finally, do you want to allow us to offer the property?

[3:00:45] Let's go to the second.

[3:00:46] Question one.

[3:00:47] Customer parking.

[3:00:49] Yeah.

[3:00:49] What do you want to do with it?

[3:00:50] On the property of the business or the owner?

[3:00:52] Is there any business like point that have the parking on the street that know if I don't know any really do you guys know I?

[3:00:58] I

[3:00:59] Depends on what you what you define that has because there's people that have the

[3:01:05] Off the road that they they clearly they're off the pavement and they they pull in perpendicular to the pavement and they're

[3:01:14] On the edge of the road that they have parking they have hard surface there. I don't know if part of bumper is in us

[3:01:21] right away or not? I don't know where their property line is.

[3:01:27] I'm not going to tell that.

[3:01:31] I don't think I've found a general understanding that it means it's not on the street impacting the traffic law.

[3:01:37] So is it okay?

[3:01:39] There's a little standard that it's not in that street.

[3:01:41] I mean, half the car is in the right away because it's, you know, the utility right away.

[3:01:49] But it's not in the street.

[3:01:50] And they're still.

[3:01:51] Yeah, there's no standard note in the street.

[3:01:54] I don't think we've covered where they can park in the row or not, but just off the street.

[3:02:00] And I think we've already mentioned.

[3:02:02] We had a long talk about making a park off the street on every single variation of this.

[3:02:08] If we're changing that, then a lot of my upper parts I would want changed.

[3:02:13] I'm just asking the questions, right?

[3:02:16] What that exact means, Dan asked the question of, is there any businesses out there?

[3:02:21] I know businesses out there that, not a home-based business, I can sit there and say that the B-Hive has some parking that you could park alongside the right away.

[3:02:33] If we could do, whether it's in the right away, but if we could all think this way, I'd love for us to all think this way.

[3:02:41] And to remember that this is only for any illegal business or any future business,

[3:02:45] it's not for existing businesses, they were legal.

[3:02:49] So, think of it in that sense, do we want to open up every new business?

[3:02:54] It's not, anything else that was legal is already at this doesn't apply.

[3:02:59] We've learned that over and over again, do we want to open up every new business coming to town to park all their cars for the customers on the street in all areas?

[3:03:07] one acre half acre 8,000 square foot tight streets like our public comment

[3:03:14] tonight do we want 12 vehicles coming to each house in those areas or do we

[3:03:20] want them off that area like that was that was I thought our limiting factor like

[3:03:24] okay you can have a business but if you can't put 12 cars off street then you've

[3:03:31] got to not put a business there right and I'm just trying to define what off

[3:03:34] Street is.

[3:03:37] So the way I read number 12, does it mean that I know 12 is a lot lower than the original

[3:03:41] proposed to 140 a week, I think that's what you guys are originally.

[3:03:45] Was it 140?

[3:03:46] Yeah.

[3:03:46] So the, so I got to try to jump to 12, but just to go more.

[3:03:51] Yeah, I was just, I just wanted to click.

[3:03:53] So we wrote up above, I wrote about, about, let's say, parking spaces beyond a paved

[3:03:59] gravel over similar hard surface, parking on swales, yards, or sidewalks is not permitted.

[3:04:03] That's the most of the definition we have for what off-street means.

[3:04:06] So it means off the street, not in a soil, not in the yard,

[3:04:15] not on a sidewalk.

[3:04:16] And I thought that was good because we don't want to fill in the yard with customers.

[3:04:21] No, they can't.

[3:04:21] They just have to put gravel down.

[3:04:22] Yeah, but meaning like on the lawn and everything like that.

[3:04:27] A park surface, like a park surface, yeah.

[3:04:31] Um, is there any like talked about the swell because we don't want vehicles driven fluids

[3:04:35] down into the soil by parking them in there because I can pull my truck in my

[3:04:39] soil of the park up there.

[3:04:42] So that's the only difference we have of off-street so, um, chair.

[3:04:49] Mm-hmm.

[3:04:50] Of course.

[3:04:50] And what does soil mean?

[3:04:52] You guys don't have any but it's a waterway in some of the other flats.

[3:04:56] Yes, does the definition include the parkway, the distance between the curb on the street?

[3:05:04] On the sidewalk?

[3:05:06] Yeah, the parkship.

[3:05:07] It does not park.

[3:05:08] No.

[3:05:08] So, under this, they could park on the park's jetman so we considered off-street.

[3:05:12] Yes.

[3:05:13] As long as they don't go on to this side.

[3:05:15] As long as they managed to get on the parkship, not on the sidewalk.

[3:05:18] And on that hard surface and off the street.

[3:05:21] I don't think they could go quite well with you.

[3:05:23] But I guess they're like motorcycles.

[3:05:23] Okay, you can do that, so that's where I see them, the city's all the little line scooters get parked, so

[3:05:30] Bospels

[3:05:33] John what would be an easy way is there a way to oh like I think so it's

[3:05:39] Parking spaces shall be on a paved gravel or some other hard surface parking on swales yard

[3:05:45] Or sidewalks is not permitted. Yeah, we don't feel partner on the grass and you so theoretically you could do it on a

[3:05:50] I just don't know how you find one that's why enough to part something that's also not in the road ordered

[3:05:55] On a sidewalk, but I think you could I guess you could

[3:06:02] I think

[3:06:11] I think I'll be I know there's some feel I do hair and other things that they would have their customers park on the shoulder because

[3:06:16] pilot tip don't want to fill like they block the driveway. Would you guys be okay to have

[3:06:21] some on the shoulder? That's allowed. Should we just make that clear so we don't have that

[3:06:26] correct? Yes, because that's why I was going to do that. I was just going to say going off of

[3:06:31] road design standards, that shoulder is designed specifically in a probe by engineers,

[3:06:36] fire department, everybody for that exact purpose. That's why I have there four parking

[3:06:42] and emergency vehicles can still get by and you have parking that isn't

[3:06:45] on people's property.

[3:06:47] What I think the parking is, is speeding off the physical road.

[3:06:50] Yes, and this is actually what I want to make sure

[3:06:52] so a standard cross-section has a shoulder

[3:06:55] if we're requiring scrubs and some of these things.

[3:06:57] I've always liked the shoulder, I think.

[3:06:59] Like you said, Halloween.

[3:07:00] That's where all the kids walk in my neighborhood on the show.

[3:07:02] That's right.

[3:07:03] When they are on the house.

[3:07:05] I think I'm okay with that as long as they can park on the shoulder.

[3:07:07] Yeah.

[3:07:08] And I think that'd be fine.

[3:07:10] I think you start getting a slasher.

[3:07:12] Yeah, so I put it in there to make it clear that

[3:07:14] That helps also.

[3:07:16] John, is there any other ideas you have on that one?

[3:07:18] Do you like that one or no?

[3:07:21] I think the shoulder...

[3:07:23] So now I've added in a section...

[3:07:25] This is a print under six-point thing which is the general parking thing.

[3:07:27] This is off-street parking.

[3:07:28] Shall include parking on a shoulder or other permitted area off the paid street.

[3:07:34] And that's following where it says you can't do it on swells or sidewalks.

[3:07:38] And you have to have it on the hard surface or gravel.

[3:07:41] Okay.

[3:07:42] So, I think that allows makes it clear to allow shoulders or to find some other weird flat area, you know, before a swale, you know, it's flat, but the swale hasn't started yet, you could fill park fair.

[3:07:56] Or I know in our neighborhood, like a lot of people have used the pipe and covered it, but make sure the water can flow still, right?

[3:08:03] And then you could put the shoulder there.

[3:08:05] Yeah, there's a bunch of extra parts.

[3:08:07] Which we've done that a lot.

[3:08:08] If you put gravity, if you've culverted it to the right standard, you'll have it be hard enough that it can support a

[3:08:13] colleague, but grab a little over and there's your parking. That's how most of the acres in our section have. What about

[3:08:18] curbing better? I mean, we can't dress up a little bit, but there's anything... They should leave you go down there at night and film how

[3:08:24] narrow those roads are for those cars and just picture that's the business and you'll be like, ah, they made those roads

[3:08:30] narrow. To yeah. Really narrow. And now with the state change where they we can't make them go

[3:08:35] and we can't require them to go higher than 30.

[3:08:39] 32 asphalt.

[3:08:40] It's going to come as shoes to go more.

[3:08:43] They can choose.

[3:08:44] So we can't wire it for a whole new ground.

[3:08:46] For a collector higher, but in the local, you know,

[3:08:49] for homes, 32 feet of asphalt.

[3:08:51] I'm really concerned about this in our future.

[3:08:53] We might need some one-way road,

[3:08:55] which is some kind of sway park on this side.

[3:08:57] Everyone's going this way.

[3:08:59] It's 32 feet.

[3:09:00] We have a development agreement that specifies

[3:09:02] a road standard that would supersede it because they agreed to it. Okay.

[3:09:12] I'm okay if they have

[3:09:14] the opportunity park on the shoulder. I think that's great. Let's say we clarified that. Okay.

[3:09:23] How many customers? How do you decide the number of customers in parking spaces?

[3:09:35] So we have the average of visits, that's a question we need to decide, what's the denominator

[3:09:42] for the average?

[3:09:43] The other question is, say you were saying 12 on average on a weekly basis, or a daily

[3:09:51] over a week, or however you figure that out, but what level of spaces do you require?

[3:09:57] like how many is it four for 12 is it 12 for 12 I saw our intent was all vehicles must be off

[3:10:05] street okay that's that's what I saw so I don't know if you could require because one day you might

[3:10:12] have 12 and the next way you might have two or one or 20 yeah as long as they can be off street

[3:10:20] If they can fit them on the car, that's a call.

[3:10:24] The garage shelter is going to be on the street.

[3:10:27] Like you said, we should buy specific garage shelter requirements, because that is

[3:10:31] a unique situation where it's an instructional, like a daycare, where we're allowing them

[3:10:36] limited vehicles to come, because it's exempt.

[3:10:42] We should just make some parameters for that scenario,

[3:10:48] because they're not every day, right?

[3:10:51] But we did hear feedback from that person saying that they were operating every day.

[3:10:56] They were buying products and it was a retail store.

[3:10:58] But Mark did this garage sell.

[3:11:00] That's what we're trying to say.

[3:11:01] We got a limit.

[3:11:02] Maybe that's where we put in the additional allowances for garage sales or yard sales or state sales.

[3:11:15] But if someone has an acre and they've paved it on, can fit 30 cars back there to come to their sale.

[3:11:21] I mean, I don't know why I want a limited.

[3:11:24] I guess my question is more terms of giving direction to a resident they say I'm going

[3:11:30] to do a hair cutting business out of my basement and I anticipate I'm going to have one vehicle

[3:11:36] per hour for eight hours a day something like that.

[3:11:41] So we have just one parking spot except you might have two that overlap so that they need

[3:11:47] to have two and then if there's more of that it's like how do you decide it because you

[3:11:52] you have to set a point at what you say here is your requirement for this business because if

[3:11:59] that's what I'm trying to because you can just say it faces in our customers but if you have

[3:12:02] 21 day do we then are we going to enforce it because they exceeded it for one day they didn't have

[3:12:09] 20 parking spots. I thought our intent maybe I'm wrong was all along but they matter the number

[3:12:14] customers they have to be off-street so if they had 20 they have to have 20 off-street but if that's

[3:12:19] That's not what the risk accounts want.

[3:12:20] I could definitely rather wait.

[3:12:21] I just wasn't sure what the council's direction was on that.

[3:12:24] Could I say parking for all customers

[3:12:26] would just leave it at that?

[3:12:28] But

[3:12:34] that and then deal with issues as they come up,

[3:12:36] you know, at that point.

[3:12:37] So if you look at their nine point point.

[3:12:38] You know when it's, when you have a cell,

[3:12:40] they're just gonna be parked down thing.

[3:12:41] It's like the creative homes and they're,

[3:12:43] you know, given that's what works on them.

[3:12:45] But that's what I'd rather do is,

[3:12:46] oh, one time.

[3:12:48] Three people actually complained

[3:12:49] and now we've gotta look at,

[3:12:50] oh, it's over and it's resolved.

[3:12:52] He is just resolved. We weren't expected, and there's no one there.

[3:12:56] So 9.2.6 just says, how many of the home-based businesses shall provide?

[3:13:00] Offering parking for all customers to the orange with the requirement to 6.3.

[3:13:08] Is that what a majority of the council desire it to say?

[3:13:19] 9.9.

[3:13:21] Oh, yeah, I've got to read the general parking rule.

[3:13:23] Oh, okay. Providing, yeah.

[3:13:25] Okay.

[3:13:26] That's for how we define what the parking is.

[3:13:28] Oh, I see.

[3:13:39] Dolly, do you hear that?

[3:13:40] Go to the bit 6.3.

[3:13:45] Okay, good.

[3:13:46] Go back and relic with that.

[3:13:48] She's making sure you're on there.

[3:14:28] Dolly, have any thoughts on that?

[3:14:31] Oh, I...

[3:14:32] Yeah, I like this shoulder.

[3:14:33] I think that suffices a lot of things.

[3:14:36] Yeah, it's not a 6.3, I don't know.

[3:14:40] So it sounds like...

[3:14:42] Three counts on numbers I find with having to be all customers.

[3:14:46] numbers per that 6.3 which talks about shoulders and hard surfaces and the like.

[3:14:53] Yeah, I want to think I just want to point out this is only home-based businesses so it's not a home occupation if they're so prepared.

[3:15:00] There are a haircut shop. The way you've written it, right? This is only for me businesses. Yeah. Home occupations have no traffic allowed. But that's because they're not supposed to have. But if you, I guess, is the general haircut is going to have one client at a time. They wouldn't apply because they would have one customer coming, right? Or did they not put them? Oh, no, they're reading. They have outside impact because they have customers coming. Yes. I forgot about that thing.

[3:15:31] That's still a lot of people coming to get your hair cut all at once.

[3:15:35] That's a shop, right? That's a barber shop with lots of people.

[3:15:39] So you want those cars off the street.

[3:15:42] Most people that are doing care care are not having a client come.

[3:15:46] We don't really believe.

[3:15:48] Yeah, and it's just like...

[3:15:50] Accountants and things like that. You don't want them to cross that much.

[3:15:54] Usually somebody calls up and says,

[3:15:55] say they usually have a job somewhere else and then they do it on the side for extra income

[3:16:02] to pay bills or to do Christmas or whatever it may be. Sometimes I think we carry things

[3:16:08] way too far.

[3:16:16] So I think three of the support is 12, is the 12 being struck or is that still

[3:16:21] part of what we have? No, that's still there. That's question the next. I don't know how many

[3:16:25] questions are answered at this point. This is the next one. So under 9.2.5 I have a average

[3:16:31] just shall be determined on a and then question mark. How are we determining the

[3:16:37] 12th visit average? I guess we have two questions. We're going to resolve the

[3:16:42] 12th. There's 12 and a couple because the 12 include delivery trucks like John

[3:16:46] who's asked. Yeah. That's part of that question as well. Yes. I know we we

[3:16:50] we've been talking about. Well we dropped it quite a bit already. So I mean I think

[3:16:57] for me if it's a regular service that's coming through I don't think it should

[3:17:01] channel because they're already in town and it's not impacting anybody anymore than anybody else

[3:17:07] because they come to ICI Amazon truck every single day. I see the United States Postal Service every

[3:17:14] single day, maybe not so much on FedEx and UPS, but quite often I see them in town. So John, what if we...

[3:17:25] and I wouldn't want to drop the 12.

[3:17:27] Yeah, that's not including delivery.

[3:17:29] Because that's to have customers at every business.

[3:17:33] Yeah, that's not very many at all.

[3:17:36] It is for, if you take out everything we've exempted,

[3:17:40] everything that's already existing that's legal, non-conforming,

[3:17:44] that is a lot for the future of what could turn

[3:17:46] like went into many commercial residential zone.

[3:17:50] And we all support business and everything.

[3:17:52] We just are trying not to change the residential character

[3:17:55] your nature like we had comments tonight of the residential nature of this

[3:18:01] community has always supported small home-based businesses. You putting this

[3:18:07] in place will impact that. You'll say that grandfather did but it will impact

[3:18:12] future people moving here and it will not be as much of a draw for the same type

[3:18:17] people and business owners get back to the community. You sit there and you look

[3:18:21] at all the clean-ups that we've had where people have volunteered dumpsters from their home-based

[3:18:27] businesses and things like that. They volunteer a lot of their time and resources to help out other

[3:18:33] people. Here in the community, it makes it a better place for everybody. If you don't want that,

[3:18:39] then go ahead and continue on with this. I think this is good for where communities grow.

[3:18:44] When I moved here, there was $1,200. Our true numbers are 300-800 residents.

[3:18:50] that we got it 800 homes since 2016. That's what changes the impact on the

[3:18:56] community by doing some of this stuff, still allowing you. It's not the home-based

[3:19:02] businesses that are changing the impact. But it's it's the density. Yeah, it's

[3:19:09] exactly. Yeah. So it changes the overall traffic, it changes the overall impact

[3:19:14] of deliveries, it changes the overall. And then when you add several businesses on

[3:19:19] on the street, you can create quite a bit of traffic.

[3:19:21] And if it was all Lakeland residents, like you said,

[3:19:23] I think there'd be no, so they're already here,

[3:19:26] but it will not be on Lakeland residents.

[3:19:29] It'll be outside traffic.

[3:19:33] I think we just tried out, see how it goes.

[3:19:36] I mean, I think a lot of this that we're trying to gather,

[3:19:39] we don't know all the impact it's going to do,

[3:19:42] because we customize it to scratch.

[3:19:45] I, we're going to try and see how it goes.

[3:19:47] I wonder if you can keep the deliveries in that 12.

[3:19:48] And then take it out if we see people aren't getting what they need.

[3:19:53] So I throw in some language suggesting something online,

[3:19:57] excluding the deliveries for the council to consider.

[3:19:59] Okay.

[3:20:01] Yeah, I don't, I don't want to limit my vast family's own delivery

[3:20:06] to my own necessarily.

[3:20:09] So I appreciate that, Rob.

[3:20:11] Do I, you don't want to limit people to 12 a day?

[3:20:16] I appreciate what Rob put in there, just residential type delivery services.

[3:20:25] Which will limit every business if someone had 12 a day and they had 12 deliveries a day.

[3:20:30] Let's say we have 100 businesses getting 12 deliveries a day.

[3:20:35] That's what we're talking about, is the impact that way.

[3:20:40] you're talking about a business.

[3:20:48] I agree and I asked about that and he said he would

[3:20:52] apply to all of them. If we could exempt out just your personal delivery, that's different

[3:20:58] than a business delivery. No, it's saying right here. Yeah, it's good. It's not general

[3:21:02] traffic, meaning deliveries, shipping. So if you didn't get, yes, no one's going to say,

[3:21:08] okay, is that for your residential? Is that for your business? No, and residential type

[3:21:11] delivery service, such as UPS, or private.

[3:21:13] I know this, but I'm asking you to see if he's

[3:21:16] in the conversation or exempting all of those.

[3:21:18] For residential is why he's trying to that would exempt

[3:21:21] a manly way, right, Rob?

[3:21:23] That was my understanding earlier.

[3:21:24] My, my intent was to provide a suggestion

[3:21:26] about exempting all of those types of deliveries.

[3:21:28] We're not counting them towards the 12.

[3:21:30] Not, okay.

[3:21:31] So that you would cross out the deliveries in front of them.

[3:21:35] Okay.

[3:21:36] So that's what I'm doing.

[3:21:37] Deliveries, but it would include deliveries of commercial

[3:21:41] Like someone's delivering a skid steer to a business because that's what they do and they move that back and forth.

[3:21:46] That's, but it's excluding the ones that don't come into town, the yellow.

[3:21:53] Yeah, yeah.

[3:21:54] Job Doyle for clarity.

[3:21:56] It would exclude any delivery business or your personal deliveries.

[3:22:01] Well, I was going to have a song.

[3:22:03] Yes, exactly.

[3:22:05] I'm trying to get you guys to understand what I, we talked about earlier.

[3:22:09] With the thought being, you can't tell if an Amazon fan is there for commercial or residential

[3:22:16] use. Is it for the business or for the home, so you just exclude it from the

[3:22:19] calculation? That's what this suggestion is for the council to consider.

[3:22:23] And then, don't get your name on it.

[3:22:25] So, Doyle was thinking it was limiting it to his personal delivery, and that's why he

[3:22:29] liked it. This is not limiting it to anything, Doyle.

[3:22:34] So it's limiting it by if it's not a residential type delivery service already.

[3:22:44] Meaning any amount of business, any amount, there's no limit whatsoever on that.

[3:22:49] Well, I think they're limited already on a day-to-day basis.

[3:22:53] How many times they actually come to town, maybe not, maybe I'm mistaken.

[3:22:58] So, if we take this, right, let's calculate this 12 customer visits, let's say I only get six deliveries,

[3:23:06] that's 18 coming to my house, and then my employees, five, that's the number of traffic I have at my one business.

[3:23:14] That seems like a ton of traffic.

[3:23:18] Except that delivery truck is going to your next door neighbor, then it's not doing anything as well because they ordered something as well.

[3:23:25] And maybe the better way to write it is that we keep them

[3:23:28] included and we exempt them from the off-street parking

[3:23:32] requirement because they're coming and leaving for the

[3:23:36] delivery versus I don't know.

[3:23:38] I just want because we're not limited.

[3:23:40] We're not saying any specific parking.

[3:23:42] So I don't think that needs to be done.

[3:23:44] It just needs to be, they need to be off-street.

[3:23:45] But if obviously they're Amazon, they're just going

[3:23:47] to run out and they're using the shoulder and they're

[3:23:49] running out.

[3:23:50] I think the feedback most of God has 12 as long.

[3:23:54] So you do 12.

[3:23:55] Let's say you only get two delivers there. That's 14 and you have five employees and

[3:24:00] Your non-family employees and collectively looking at it all. We're talking one bit. It's have a lot of traffic

[3:24:06] a lot

[3:24:09] Sorry, maybe not coming but allow

[3:24:15] I mean I think I think you know, I think we all make sure do I vote for this understanding that it's exempting all of them

[3:24:22] Do I have not just your personal deliveries?

[3:24:29] and that's what Rob clarified is exempting all of them but we pass it down to

[3:24:34] Rob's or Rob can just restate what he said. Did you hear Rob already or no?

[3:24:43] Okay sorry I'm not I'm not yelling at you loud enough so the way I was

[3:24:52] meeting to write this is basically if it's a Amazon type delivery it's it's

[3:25:00] It's hard to tell whether that's for your residential use or for your home business use.

[3:25:06] So this, what I've written is meant to exclude all of those types of deliveries, whatever

[3:25:10] they're for, from the calculation of the 12th per day.

[3:25:23] So, Doug, you said that it was based on only a personal deliveries though.

[3:25:29] Did I misunderstand you?

[3:25:33] We're asking.

[3:25:34] We're asking.

[3:25:35] I'm going to ask you.

[3:25:37] Doug, I thought you said you didn't want to exempt your personal deliveries to your home.

[3:25:40] So

[3:25:55] it would also exclude your business deliveries.

[3:26:01] No, I think we're on the same page, it's just, I think Doyle is saying it's not excluding the

[3:26:09] commercial type deliveries, not deliveries for commercial or the commercial business.

[3:26:15] That doesn't mean that, wouldn't it?

[3:26:17] No, it doesn't.

[3:26:19] When Doyle is saying commercial, he means the semi-truck, when you're saying commercial,

[3:26:25] you're meeting an Amazon delivery for the business.

[3:26:28] So do I always agree that that's being excluded?

[3:26:32] Do I, so is that your understanding, it's excluding the home-based business commercial

[3:26:37] delivery that is not the semi-drug that we exempted, we ban up earlier on the wait?

[3:26:55] You want to vote?

[3:26:56] Do I

[3:27:08] worry if we try limiting the Amazon, they're going to come anyway.

[3:27:12] I think it's going to be hard to regulate, plus you don't know if it's a commercial or personal.

[3:27:16] I get Ryan's viewpoints, but also I worried that if we limit this thing, Amazon's getting

[3:27:22] more and more, I mean, there's a million trucks coming through anyway.

[3:27:26] I just don't know how you regulate this thing.

[3:27:29] I think it'd be tough.

[3:27:30] I think personally, we've come in a long ways.

[3:27:32] We went from like a lot more deliveries to this.

[3:27:34] I think we'd be okay to exclude that, you know, we're not put down.

[3:27:38] I'd be okay for that.

[3:27:40] Do you want to hear Kathleen and John's opinion?

[3:27:43] I finished mine.

[3:27:43] My support of the 12 was based on the included.

[3:27:46] I would want a way lower number now.

[3:27:49] Okay, Kelly.

[3:27:52] I'm saying it would, I absolutely hated the last number

[3:27:56] that was proposed.

[3:27:57] This number I felt a little bit better than that.

[3:27:59] Yeah, you were here.

[3:28:00] Because this is better than the last number that was proposed.

[3:28:04] But it was, I liked it because I could accept it better

[3:28:09] because it included deliveries and customers.

[3:28:12] But the number one complaint that I got

[3:28:15] when I talk to people around town is that employees were too high as which would

[3:28:21] generate more vehicles and then one main concern was vehicles. So for me with

[3:28:26] taken deliveries out of it, yes I don't know if that truck has a residential or

[3:28:31] commercial in it that you open it up to a lot more. So Mike and Jonathan can get

[3:28:37] because I think I was clear already.

[3:28:40] So are you are casting your duty with the addition?

[3:28:47] No.

[3:28:51] Jonathan, you want more of it?

[3:28:54] I am fine with the definition or the suggestion

[3:28:58] that Rob put in there.

[3:29:01] It makes sense to me that if the vehicle is in here already,

[3:29:05] it's not going to be making any more impact than it was before.

[3:29:09] I

[3:29:12] would also say that if home-based business is servicing the people that's in the community

[3:29:18] and they're just driving in the community that doesn't have any more impact on somebody

[3:29:23] going to the government.

[3:29:25] That's fine.

[3:29:29] That's fine.

[3:29:30] I think sometimes we think just of UPS FedEx and Amazon, but a part run or truck from AutoZone

[3:29:35] runs every day and you could have parts run to your mechanical shop several times a day.

[3:29:41] Okay, do you have heard all opinions?

[3:29:43] What do you know having

[3:29:49] an excess of 12 customers or any excess of five on delivery or not on delivery of business deliveries?

[3:29:59] Like the big trucks.

[3:30:00] Right? No. I think Rob already has it figured out. It says, excluding residential type delivery services. When Ryan, when you're talking about the parts delivery, that is not a residential type delivery service. We already, that is, I think trucks are higher, 26,000 pounds are higher. Right. But we're excluding any commercial order.

[3:30:30] non-commercial deliveries to that business.

[3:30:32] That was made clear to us.

[3:30:35] OK.

[3:30:36] I think we both.

[3:30:37] There's still confused on this.

[3:30:38] So we need Rob to really clarify.

[3:30:42] Because the way Doyle is saying, do I say I'm right?

[3:30:45] It would be very, very clear to me

[3:30:49] by business deliveries, because that specifies calls it out.

[3:30:54] So there is a restriction on access to 26,000 pounds

[3:30:57] of the big semi-talking plus is prohibited outright. But if you're talking at checkers,

[3:31:06] NAPA, AutoZone, any of those, those are not residential type delivery services.

[3:31:13] So, define residential type delivery services. Amazon Prime or Amazon, United States Postal

[3:31:20] serve as FedEx and UPS. But they deliver to businesses too so they're not just

[3:31:29] residential type.

[3:31:32] But they're in the neighborhood already as we say. We understand

[3:31:36] that part I'm coming in neighborhood but it would be different if that was just

[3:31:41] like the 12-year-old thing. Like I said if we just take it out. So this is about

[3:31:47] the way Doyle said it. Do you want to ask Rob Ritten? I mean I have to write

[3:31:51] whatever. I'm just trying to give suggestions. Okay, so it sounds like we were split. So I like

[3:31:59] doing a suggestion to do it through that. What do I let your suggestion be saying five business

[3:32:04] delivered? I gave my suggestion about 12 customers and I'm in excess of 12 customers visits and

[3:32:12] in excess of five business delivered.

[3:32:20] I don't think it may be more than that. Yeah, that sounds good.

[3:32:43] Okay, I'm okay with that, I don't think we'll have, I don't think we'll have, I don't think we'll win.

[3:32:50] Kathleen comes back and she wants to counteroff her five and seven.

[3:33:04] Okay, let's just vote. So what do you guys want?

[3:33:09] You've never said that. I can filter the phone cap thing. You might win this one.

[3:33:13] So I threw in an additional suggestion just at the end. I just spaced it out and had another

[3:33:19] sentence.

[3:33:38] That is an overall increase from what was before but it does give a harder number on the deliveries versus customers and then you can also negotiate the numbers.

[3:33:49] I like it before and I like to last change to I'm either way I've changed the fight and say what's going on?

[3:33:54] Remove that excluding residential time or is that a problem?

[3:33:59] Yeah, if we go this direction, we would then delete.

[3:34:04] No?

[3:34:05] Yeah, we delete most of that.

[3:34:10] I don't I think we exclude the Amazon.

[3:34:13] They're going to be here anyway.

[3:34:15] I just you're not going to be a monitored man.

[3:34:18] I just think it's going to be hard.

[3:34:19] I agree, but most laws are to educate in 99% of the public will fight itself in a minute.

[3:34:27] That's how parking works.

[3:34:29] I'm in the parking compliance world at City Creek.

[3:34:31] We put it out.

[3:34:32] They know what's expected.

[3:34:33] Most will comply to it.

[3:34:35] Those that don't, you know, you'll get the complaints.

[3:34:39] Okay, so the question is, do you want to, let's vote on the one piece here.

[3:34:43] Let's vote on excluding residential type deliveries.

[3:34:45] I'm okay leaving it, Ryan.

[3:34:56] I'm okay with whatever. Let's vote. Let's get that in for taking it out as it's written

[3:35:01] without the bottom part. Okay. You're okay. Taking it out without the bottom part. Okay.

[3:35:06] As it was originally more or less, what version? Yes. The original version that we have talked about for months.

[3:35:18] We've always said we were going to mind knowledge, our discussions have always stayed with

[3:35:22] that they were going to be combined and both would be included.

[3:35:25] This is the first time we've been there to wait for a minute.

[3:35:28] Actually, that's been talked about several times, right?

[3:35:30] But we, when we majority had always stuck with us, that's what I mean.

[3:35:33] So we'd have kept it in there because none of us didn't have a majority to take it out.

[3:35:39] every discussion if we have three of us it's in strict and not included and we haven't got to that point

[3:35:44] until now. That that was in there before with that discussion.

[3:35:49] Copy down to 10. All right. Keep your residential boardage in there.

[3:35:53] Okay so you so Calvans come back leaving 10 vehicles per day and leaving the

[3:35:58] school in the residential.

[3:36:02] I think it's a good compromise.

[3:36:07] So that's one for that, making a 10 with the exclusion for residential type, anyone else?

[3:36:15] Not my favorite.

[3:36:17] And that's that 10 is a clean vehicles per day.

[3:36:22] Yes.

[3:36:25] Employees?

[3:36:26] No.

[3:36:28] Just deliver.

[3:36:29] Family, then I'm okay. I'm okay. We can come to some agreement. I'll meet you there. I think that sounds okay

[3:36:37] Dole John right my mind will know

[3:36:41] Based on the public feedback and because this exempts all these things that have high traffic are ready under ordinance and because

[3:36:49] That this doesn't include the employees or family living on that property

[3:36:54] Okay, so do I own John

[3:37:06] exactly how many vehicles a day we want to be able to see for customers and how many vehicles a

[3:37:13] day that we would allow for delivery.

[3:37:18] Yeah Rob, let's keep it simple.

[3:37:22] Well I think the suggestion here

[3:37:24] Doyle is trying to keep it simple they're saying exclude the residential type delivery the United States

[3:37:29] It's both to service FedEx, UPS, and Kathleen suggested going to 10.

[3:37:36] All right.

[3:37:38] We're going to be out there.

[3:37:39] We're going to be out there.

[3:37:40] We're going to be out there.

[3:37:41] We're going to be out there.

[3:37:42] We're going to be out there.

[3:37:44] Yeah, Kathleen said leave it, but just put 10.

[3:37:46] That's what she said.

[3:37:47] And I seconded her on the I agree.

[3:37:48] I think we just did that one.

[3:37:49] So if you agree with that one, that's the compromise.

[3:37:58] Are you going to have to?

[3:37:59] Okay.

[3:38:00] Is that one?

[3:38:02] Okay.

[3:38:03] So we've got three or four.

[3:38:04] Okay, we're going to average calculated on a weekly monthly quarterly basis what

[3:38:10] It's it's per day, but over what time I say and that number doesn't need to be that I

[3:38:18] Know what is next section would impact that number sure

[3:38:25] does

[3:38:26] I'm based business of perfect. I'll start with customers of course. Yep. We were talking about that with the shoulder

[3:38:30] I don't know the weekly monthly or average

[3:38:33] So the longer of a period, the more variation you will have.

[3:38:40] So if you do it over a month, it's going to be a one day of the same, and a bunch of

[3:38:45] days of zero, and it averages out to five.

[3:38:48] I'm okay with more weekly, so weekly is, at least give you a reasonable basis.

[3:38:54] Okay.

[3:38:56] We got two and weekly, third on weekly.

[3:39:00] When you do weekly, then how does that count through it out basically?

[3:39:03] Just seven days, I guess, right?

[3:39:04] Yeah, yeah, seven days. I think a seven day very 70. You can always do it as a rolling period if you want, but it's a weekly

[3:39:11] Seven to seven I think that'd be so within 10 days within seven days they get 10 vehicles

[3:39:18] No, no with it. They can have 70 trips in a week

[3:39:21] 70 vehicles at that house, so they can have 70 one day and zero every other day

[3:39:26] It

[3:39:35] covers your garage stuff

[3:39:36] I think yeah, you want to weekly? I can't both

[3:39:46] I'm taking the number of businesses we have that will come in.

[3:39:48] Well, whether we're determined this on daily, I don't know why we...

[3:39:50] That's why I'm saying, I thought it was pretty great.

[3:39:52] Did we have to do weekly?

[3:39:54] Well, the question is so...

[3:39:56] That would simplify an awful lot if we just took out average.

[3:39:59] You can just say, this is how many...

[3:40:01] That would be the answer.

[3:40:03] If you just take out the average, but if you say 12 vehicles per day on average,

[3:40:07] the question always then, what do you mean by the average?

[3:40:09] Because that means you have at some point something over it.

[3:40:12] Yeah, the average is so dole says take up the average which I think

[3:40:16] Well, it's just I'm not just saying that simplifies it and it makes it straightforward and people are gonna break the rule on that

[3:40:24] But for the most part they're gonna try and observe that so okay. I think we're

[3:40:30] exclude the on average you just have a limit of ten

[3:40:34] For day, okay

[3:40:38] I think that's what we're discussing the whole time I realize until we got down to that part. So I'm okay with that

[3:40:44] Two who was the first one?

[3:40:51] Yeah, Ryan had

[3:40:52] I think the adversary loop in our discussion. So I think are you guys okay with just daily?

[3:40:59] That's not that we're discussing doesn't so delete it

[3:41:03] Ryan Kathleen done

[3:41:16] To figure out some of your garage sales, it sounds like the council wants to address that so I put that under the

[3:41:21] Section we have to consider regulations, so we'll have the

[3:41:23] Machete the repairs the in-home instruction in a garage sales section talks about how that happens

[3:41:31] So we got two do we have a third on the average taken out or no?

[3:41:34] You have another proposal

[3:41:37] Kind of proposal

[3:41:39] You're okay taking it out. Okay, we got three. Okay, take it out. Okay, 9.2.6

[3:41:45] We discussed that. I think that addresses that 9.3 on our own.

[3:41:50] This is the five plus, more than five employees.

[3:41:55] This was the, I think, several customers who are already against this.

[3:41:59] I drafted this because a couple wanted me to throw something on the page for consideration.

[3:42:04] So this is all about, if you're going to allow home-based businesses to go from six to 10 employees,

[3:42:10] what some conditions could be placed on it? Basically, do you hear that?

[3:42:23] Basically, this is the option if we want to allow 6 to 10.

[3:42:28] Okay. Okay. And I know we put down a lot of regulations on this one. We put down, we did

[3:42:38] certain fee, we were just reviewing all 9.3.1.1 all the way down to 9.3.1.1.12.

[3:42:46] Okay. How many people are actually seeking to move into our city that have 6 to 10 employees

[3:42:53] already? Is there any that we have to jump to this? I just don't know if the need is

[3:42:59] there. Why are

[3:43:07] we looking at this versus commanding it if we see a need?

[3:43:11] Well, we just, well, we just, you know, just go back to the surveys and stuff we said.

[3:43:16] So we did zero to 10, less than 10 or more than 10. I don't think we gave them enough

[3:43:19] options to, you know, there's no middle ground for them to choose. We are really getting too

[3:43:24] choices. So it's hard to give you a business. I just don't see why we have to

[3:43:31] to check something so big and residential, that special commercial to me.

[3:43:38] Well, I know that 9.3.1.7, we had it where you can only have so many locations and

[3:43:43] like point, that was within 1000 feet, so it's not like we can have every house on

[3:43:48] the street.

[3:43:51] Also, we talked about multiple times scaling businesses, the cost of

[3:43:55] commercial being like out of control. We talked about inflation. Fire Marshall came, talked about

[3:44:03] basically, you know, there's businesses in order to have no real estate or no places or rent.

[3:44:08] If you are doing full-on stores in our house because I have nowhere else to go to drive through

[3:44:12] the family. So I think that's how the discussion has got us forward right now. You know what I mean?

[3:44:16] Like, I don't think it's just like, well, is there a business right now that has this? Yeah, there's

[3:44:20] two or three, we grant those in, but do want to limit future potential for businesses

[3:44:27] that could provide for their families. There's a reason why those commercial

[3:44:30] properties are not selling.

[3:44:33] But there's also a reason when that people begin to raise attention to commercial sound.

[3:44:37] Correct.

[3:44:38] Yeah.

[3:44:45] So we can either modify, vote to shoot it down. I think we're split last time.

[3:44:51] And so we just vote on this whole section to be done or not.

[3:44:54] And then it's probably easiest because I that would be easier so I was for it until we changed all the other car requirements

[3:45:00] I look at 10 employee cars, 10 customer cars, 4 or more family, all within a thousand square foot area. That's, and now it's success to me, so. So, Ryan, second, no, we're in towards now. Okay. And then we can amend it if we see a need. Okay, I did like the option. What numbers that the city council has approved. So it's not like just a guarantee. Is that on their 9.3?

[3:45:28] Oh, rather, yeah, the big paragraph. Okay. It's hard because we've gotten so much easier.

[3:45:32] that people on the rural, the state of rural residential and our whole ordinance talks about it and I get the cost and everything, but we've just, we've even limited what can be in our commercial residential for that reason.

[3:45:45] I have the businesses to keep it feeling residential, not commercial.

[3:45:51] So I've not heard a lot of feedback to go higher.

[3:45:56] I did see the survey results.

[3:45:58] Unfortunately, I only had that question for the business owners, so I think the general

[3:46:01] public didn't get to answer that.

[3:46:03] It was only on the business owners survey, so that is reflected of a business owners idea.

[3:46:11] And it was ten or more or ten or less, so it was hard for me once I saw that.

[3:46:16] It's

[3:46:21] written that it

[3:46:24] falls back on the council to review that application and it's based on 931.2, it says people

[3:46:39] within 500 feet of that property can days in advance, so we can evaluate what the neighbors feel about that.

[3:46:49] If you go down, we don't allow all these popping up that it has to be a thousand feet apart from each other.

[3:47:00] Building limitations on your agenda.

[3:47:03] And I think if we expand the limitationary, I'd feel good about the...

[3:47:08] Something of that scale affects more than someone within 500 feet of that home.

[3:47:12] It affects people within a thousand yards, a half square mile.

[3:47:16] everyone on that street not just 500 feet so if we're going to keep it I'd

[3:47:22] like to expand the perimeter of notice but then expand the allowance to only be

[3:47:27] within a half-square mile.

[3:47:32] That'd be him. Miles or an other point.

[3:47:35] I'm Miles or in like point. That might be maybe 4.9 square miles. So we might

[3:47:40] be allowed maybe four or five of these businesses at that. Yeah.

[3:48:16] I mean, these conditions right here, I mean, almost impossible, I think. I mean, it's, like, 80% chance. I think we'll get shot down anyway, 90.

[3:48:25] For you wouldn't you think, like I said, I have known a business, but for me, maybe not commercial property or I buy a residential lot and meet these conditions easier and lower cost than doing the commercial property.

[3:48:38] So I think it'd be more appeasing and more people would do it.

[3:48:48] I think the surveys I've seen showed like majority, you know, at least 60-70% so they're

[3:48:54] okay with it.

[3:48:55] That's not Facebook close at night, I think I'm not sure if the person took it down.

[3:48:59] They were against this but like looked like 60-70% of the comments were like for it.

[3:49:04] So my thoughts, I think we kind of hashed this over quite a bit and I think we just vote

[3:49:08] on this whole section.

[3:49:09] It's kind of go for there.

[3:49:10] And if we do pass it in, you know, I agree.

[3:49:13] I like to they haven't thought a little more with Brian said

[3:49:18] But let's just vote on that move on so there's a big section what we want

[3:49:22] So I'll be your whole call vote. I

[3:49:25] Think do I wanted to see what Rob would come up with I thought he came up with some very unique alternatives

[3:49:31] If there are some worries about this maybe

[3:49:34] You know, I think we could dress on those with how many square feet

[3:49:38] But I think we just vote on this section and then let me you know mean so

[3:49:58] I'm saying I only want to change it if we vote to keep it.

[3:50:02] I'm not for this because it doesn't meet what I believe a home-based business is or a

[3:50:07] minimal moderate whatever word you use to modest impromptu.

[3:50:13] And I also don't like where it can be random counsel that just chooses and picks a business

[3:50:18] to allow versus another

[3:50:22] if really the many to do it in the first place so I mean if we

[3:50:31] voted I'll make some suggestions on expanding those but I'm opposed to this after we change

[3:50:38] the vehicles I just see a lot of things with all the other changes we made that this is different

[3:50:44] right now.

[3:50:52] Yes. Any home-based business, correct?

[3:50:58] We already have three, at least we know

[3:51:00] of three grandfathered in legal non-conforming, so we already have three, Zipi.

[3:51:16] I'm sure my opinion will be the time is so fast.

[3:51:19] So, for me, I think it's nice for a community to actually be looking for the business support

[3:51:28] because that's where we're going to be getting our tax base so I like this

[3:51:34] approach here. I also thought that in our asking I should probably bring this up

[3:51:40] now. Yes, we had talked last week about starting people starting up for

[3:51:48] initial period and I did not see that in this document for the first year or two

[3:51:53] That was the first year. Oh, yeah. I know there was a discussion about that. I was sure. I

[3:51:58] Brought in a compliance period, so basically says you can grant a license for up to a 12 month period. Is that your first?

[3:52:05] That was my understanding, but I couldn't offer that. That was my journey. Like someone doesn't comply with the normal requirements

[3:52:10] The cops have given it a year to figure it out

[3:52:12] Yeah, it was more like somebody wanted to try and see if they were going to try a business

[3:52:18] and they wanted to start out as a home-based business because they know

[3:52:23] anything else that they had a period of time to do that which was I thought we

[3:52:26] talked about a year and I thought that was in there but I didn't see it as I

[3:52:30] was reviewing this. You just don't want them to have to get a business license in the

[3:52:33] first year. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. That's why I have to fill out paperwork catch

[3:52:55] Yeah, I talked about this section. I talked about the piece that I saw that was missing as well. Okay. Anything else you want to do?

[3:53:03] or else? Doyle, do you have any specific questions for me? I should be asking that.

[3:53:09] No, no.

[3:53:11] In fact, it just says, finally,

[3:53:16] saying, if we go over five, not to exceed eight, or you know, some upper limit, which I don't see in here.

[3:53:26] Now, that's because in this expanded home-based business, it believes, if I remember right, it's sitting there and saying that it's going to,

[3:53:35] when it's going through that growth period,

[3:53:37] it's going to have a time period before it has to move to commercial. So then it's gotten

[3:53:42] anyways. Is that correct? We can list it in there for need to. If you feel like, Joel,

[3:53:48] we can listen if you feel like you need to. I have a sip of rain over it a little bit more

[3:53:52] to second. I still don't want it to turn into a commercial business. Well, we don't

[3:53:58] put in down.

[3:54:05] It has a size. It has a size of the property. It has to be on at least one

[3:54:10] acre. And it also has another thing that expanded home-based business currently

[3:54:20] exists within a thousand feet. No others can be in that area so that limits

[3:54:24] of that way as well. So I threw in a little

[3:54:29] session of that limited.

[3:54:39] Opportunity to expand a little bit.

[3:54:47] Did you see, did you see that

[3:54:51] Rob added something there, I'm not sure if you heard that.

[3:54:54] 9.3.

[3:55:04] Yeah, I think you need to list what with the cap is.

[3:55:06] I think you don't do that.

[3:55:07] I think that's important.

[3:55:20] Boat, yes or no?

[3:55:22] I heard John.

[3:55:23] Cassidy and I have a hurt to a canoe on this, I don't know.

[3:55:30] Going up to five employees in the home was stretched.

[3:55:33] For me, that was my compromise.

[3:55:34] I just cannot go about five.

[3:55:36] I think it becomes crucial, because this is not

[3:55:41] encountering employees at the home.

[3:55:42] or occupants of the home. I can think of the work occupants of the home. So you can have five

[3:55:47] employees that come from off site. You can have three that work there. So you're up to eight

[3:55:51] employees just for me over five.

[3:55:59] Yeah, it does say five non-resident above. So five was more than

[3:56:06] anybody in the county who is allowing way more. And so I'm good with the five.

[3:56:13] It's only more, I mean it's only less when you're not considering that the county still does conditionally use permits.

[3:56:21] True, true, they limit those greatly though.

[3:56:26] And this limit, you know, even Erdo, they're ten employees but by makers and they're considering that, so.

[3:56:35] I think that's part of the discussion to cops which you discuss before, so.

[3:56:38] So I just don't mind, it comes down to, I have not seen the need for this.

[3:56:43] I haven't seen that,

[3:56:49] it really boils down to that and you're living in this to an anchor

[3:56:54] lot so it feels like the majority of the people that I talk to across the city, the ones

[3:56:59] that have acres on either side, two out of probably 20 I talked to said that they'd be okay with

[3:57:05] that number.

[3:57:06] But everybody else has been known, so for me I'm not, I can't.

[3:57:09] But I can't go over five.

[3:57:19] I believe in newer, bigger, allowing this section.

[3:57:24] Yeah, because I've seen businesses here that thrive,

[3:57:26] and they give a lot of the community tons of money

[3:57:29] at their time, you know, tons.

[3:57:33] I think I don't know where the inflation's going to go.

[3:57:36] Institutes go higher.

[3:57:37] I just, but I think this is very, like,

[3:57:39] roughly, this has pretty strict.

[3:57:41] I mean, and then we don't limit to so many in like point anyway, so

[3:57:46] I think the biggest thing is if you grandfather people and that's fine, but things that stop seeing potential growth, too, so

[3:57:53] Come

[3:57:55] down to where we want with a residential or commercial residential area. So

[3:58:00] Doyle, where you in favor of allowing the expansion as a possibility or not.

[3:58:21] So that's three to allow 9.3 to survive

[3:58:25] subject to edits that the council might want to make.

[3:58:27] I want to leave Poe as I bring it back and do some edits on it.

[3:58:32] I'd like to edit it now since you're keeping it in.

[3:58:34] Oh, you want to edit now?

[3:58:35] Oh, we have to get it done.

[3:58:37] I had a business owner call me today and they want a license.

[3:58:40] We have to show up.

[3:58:41] They need licenses.

[3:58:42] Okay.

[3:58:43] It expires.

[3:58:43] They're license will expire in 45 days.

[3:58:49] My agreement to that is it has to be known.

[3:59:13] So you want to go through 9.3.1 and then all the way down to 12, 1 by 1, or do you guys are okay with some, not go okay with others.

[3:59:23] We're going to have to map my thing to one acre homes. It's only six homes up to go a thousand feet.

[3:59:30] So if you're going to have those every six homes on one acre properties with their frontage that's existing in some of these areas,

[3:59:36] that's dozens of these in town in the one acre areas based on the frontage of the city required of 125 feet,

[3:59:44] earth counting required, 125 feet frontage road. So if you take 125 feet by the time you get there,

[3:59:51] eight homes. You and I went over eight homes within a thousand square feet, or a thousand feet, sorry.

[3:59:57] Can you do that, Rob? Sure.

[3:59:58] Can you do that, Rob?

[4:00:00] We're talking the thousand square feet that are the thousand feet. Is that from the outer edge perimeter of the property? Yeah, from property, a thousand feet in a radius on all points, the property. So it basically a thousand feet from any property in line of the property. If it touches any portion, another property that's not very far, no, that was a face not very far. It's, it's a huge distance. It's only 300 yards, 300, 400 yards.

[4:00:27] When I take an acre and I expand out a thousand feet in all directions and house and bridal walk essentially

[4:00:41] I think we

[4:00:47] are put a lot thought into it if you guys want to take a little bit of a can I

[4:00:50] Absolutely want to but might be out voting

[4:00:53] Well, it is I'm going to support it on this end of the table basically nine point nine point three point one point seven

[4:01:00] other one.

[4:01:04] That just says a thousand feet. It doesn't say a thousand for radius. A thousand

[4:01:08] feet radius is different than a thousand feet.

[4:01:26] If it's loud within a thousand feet,

[4:01:28] shall we be advising everybody within a thousand feet? Yes. Well, I'm different because I think

[4:01:34] something of that impact and effect that whole street. Well, the thousand feet would cover

[4:01:41] So

[4:01:49] it goes back to 9.9 points, 9.3 points, 1.7, and then we need to refer back to 9.31.2.9.3.1.2.

[4:02:14] So that's the one that it's 500 feet so I think Ryan will have here in mind just a match a thousand square feet

[4:02:24] Okay, so

[4:02:39] 9.3.2 9.3.1.2

[4:02:44] Sorry

[4:02:50] side at all times, right? Because this isn't coming to be going. This is a

[4:02:53] painful time on the property.

[4:02:56] To eight employees total on the property. Yeah, from outside the property.

[4:03:02] Right, so it could be plus all the family members.

[4:03:05] Yes, so it could be up to you.

[4:03:06] Yes, well, should I have any of it?

[4:03:09] I like the, if you expand like 9.3, 0.1, 0.12, I like that one.

[4:03:14] Robert, are you doing the same language? We wanted a radius of it.

[4:03:18] Oh, yes, 1,000, 3

[4:03:32] ,000 is the portion of.

[4:03:48] Do you want to match the 12 vehicles to the 10 that you've

[4:03:51] read on above?

[4:03:53] Yeah, I don't think we need to take that.

[4:03:54] Is that what we do?

[4:03:58] Under 3, 1, 8.

[4:04:00] Yeah, the point just gets to you.

[4:04:02] Sorry, it really gets to you.

[4:04:03] One level up, I just somehow skip one.

[4:04:05] OK.

[4:04:06] And then it strikes the average.

[4:04:07] We're right.

[4:04:08] Yeah, we don't have average, and yes.

[4:04:09] Yep, yeah, you read that

[4:04:27] yeah,

[4:04:33] I agree with that one

[4:04:37] Yeah,

[4:04:39] I like them in 12 those are good. We have

[4:04:48] Change the screen I put noise and sounds and that's

[4:04:53] Yeah

[4:04:57] That was me being really tired trying to finish the site storage or is equipment also

[4:05:03] that suggests inventory that's

[4:05:08] something to be screened.

[4:05:09] Okay.

[4:05:10] And there are 931, 931, 6, yes, something about that, I'm going to pick that one.

[4:05:18] It's because I had sound in two different ways.

[4:05:32] Okay, speaking of grandfather businesses, they're not going to apply under this, do you want to include them saying, then that radius.

[4:05:44] So if one of them exists, should that count as disqualifying anything else within a thousand feet of that business that's already existing?

[4:05:52] I think so. It should because if we're limiting it, we should, we should account for the

[4:06:00] grandfathering stops.

[4:06:05] Right, but just saying for the existing businesses that have a higher

[4:06:09] number of employees and you're currently allowing, they're not going to really fall under

[4:06:14] this because their grandfathered in, but do you want to count them for the radius distancing?

[4:06:21] Did you hear that? That makes sense. He wants to know if you want to include the grandfather

[4:06:26] I think I got two yeses, so if somebody wants to move in next year,

[4:06:32] they can't do it within a thousand.

[4:06:38] Within a thousand feet, yes, they're premium.

[4:06:41] I think 1,000 should be 1,000 for many businesses as an accessible time employee.

[4:06:49] Okay, Chris, that's three.

[4:06:50] Okay, residential,

[4:07:01] business,

[4:07:08] five,

[4:07:10] employees,

[4:07:14] employees,

[4:07:15] who are not?

[4:07:24] That would expand if any of these expanded ones

[4:07:26] or any grandfathered ones are counted

[4:07:28] for that radius.

[4:07:29] Termists.

[4:07:39] Here are thoughts on the 9.3 section.

[4:07:42] Yes, I think we should limit it to time.

[4:07:45] They should only operate this way for a year, 18 months,

[4:07:48] or shouldn't be ongoing.

[4:07:50] because it's a commercial business in my view.

[4:07:55] Dougie here, Ryan, sorry, I should have put closer.

[4:07:58] Just a few pieces.

[4:07:59] Just that we should time limit it to they can operate this way for 12 months or a year,

[4:08:04] but then have to move on if we're trying to get them to move the commercial,

[4:08:08] what compels them to do it without a limit they can operate that way.

[4:08:13] Do you hear that?

[4:08:24] That was one of the suggestions I had like last time,

[4:08:28] The scaling option. We're basically just like hey you got so much time if not you got to go down to five employees again

[4:08:35] Yes, that's one we just got.

[4:08:38] Is

[4:08:47] there a third to support that?

[4:08:49] Because I heard kind of two indicating favor of a time limit factor.

[4:09:11] And then where you would favor of a lot of them.

[4:09:13] Well, that's one I suggested. I'm just trying to thank you out because I mean the only way I would be in favor of that

[4:09:20] That is if we didn't include the grandfather ones right now.

[4:09:29] They wouldn't be forced out because they're grandfathered.

[4:09:31] No, what I'm saying, within the thousand foot, because now you're going to just be limiting the number of people that can sit there and transition through that.

[4:09:41] So I'm okay with them transitioning, but that I wouldn't want the others based off of that thousand foot, the grandfather ones based off of that thousand foot.

[4:09:51] But just to give opportunities to citizens, to sit there, grow their businesses, and then expand out, that would make sense to me.

[4:10:08] But that's, if not, then I'm not for it, if that makes sense.

[4:10:14] Yep.

[4:10:15] Okay.

[4:10:16] Well, again, I think I heard three kind of in favor of it.

[4:10:20] 12 months, 18 months, what's the time frame you're looking at?

[4:10:29] I think we're going to do it. You need at least a year. You're going to have to build something if you're going to build something about 18 and 18.

[4:10:35] What's the outer limit you want to set? I think 18.

[4:10:37] The majority want to set. 18.

[4:10:39] I

[4:10:43] enter Doyle or Kathleen.

[4:10:50] The father out 18 versus 12, but that's now choices.

[4:10:55] I think providing them the years time like Ryan stated is sufficient for them to determine if they can or can't make it work.

[4:11:17] I think

[4:11:27] you need to put it in there too if they can't accomplish it at the time frame

[4:11:30] robbed and then we just have to go back to five yeah it's pretty like and

[4:11:41] I think we

[4:11:41] talked about two of the point I think they had to show like intent to leave has to be at

[4:11:49] or somebody like, right, so I think it has to show

[4:11:53] that you're actually doing something.

[4:11:54] It can't be like, oh yeah, we're gonna do this, you know?

[4:11:56] If they're building and they're seeding

[4:11:58] the 12 months we'd expand because they've brought in

[4:12:00] their thing.

[4:12:02] Well, let's say they're not 12 months away.

[4:12:04] Let's say they dug ground on Lake Point or whenever,

[4:12:09] and let's say they're within, you know,

[4:12:11] it's the month 10, you know, would that be an option

[4:12:15] to say, hey, look, I'm with a building costs.

[4:12:17] I've gone up a little bit or shipping supplies would be you know, this isn't make it come back and talk to say we need

[4:12:22] Five or more months. These are some that you know, that would be a little understandable. Maybe but I don't know

[4:12:29] So I think maybe we have the option to say look you got 12 months my friend and if you don't show the contract or you break the

[4:12:35] Contra in that time

[4:12:36] I modified you said let us know and then if you can't make the deal you got to go back to five and then if you can make the deal

[4:12:41] You need to extend a little bit you had to come before the councilman to prove it if not kind of like we've done with all other things if not

[4:12:46] you're done. I think that would be we can write an extension clause with proof of extension up to

[4:12:53] 18. Well, so you already kind of have one as I wrote in. You have an additional 12-month just for any

[4:12:59] business license to get them to conform. Okay. And we have with the council's approval. Oh,

[4:13:06] just like,

[4:13:07] no, like you're not having 50 people show up a day kind of deal. Car will limit out. Yeah. I thought

[4:13:14] you wanted to allow retail because you should be excluded like you cannot operate

[4:13:18] and you took it out to allow that's right but you were limiting it based on cars trips anything

[4:13:30] else

[4:13:30] in that one guys do

[4:13:38] you want to put down that they had to revert back to five employees Rob

[4:13:41] they they had to revert back to five employees if they can't swing it okay was after the period you

[4:13:47] said yeah either relocate either relocate yeah relocation to what normal

[4:13:52] almost a business requires.

[4:13:53] Yep, and I think, Ryan, if you were in favor,

[4:13:56] something like just like, hey, they,

[4:13:57] he looked extension on there.

[4:13:59] Great, like we talked about.

[4:14:01] And if not, then they're kind of done.

[4:14:03] And there's a general, that's under the next section.

[4:14:05] Oh, okay.

[4:14:05] It's a compliance option for the council.

[4:14:07] Okay.

[4:14:10] Do you guys want anything or take away anything else

[4:14:12] on that one or?

[4:14:21] We're jumping to that compliance section.

[4:14:23] Would that then give them 24 or would that,

[4:14:25] if the council approved it?

[4:14:28] Yes.

[4:14:28] Oh, that's a long time.

[4:14:30] But it had to be the council crew because they showed good cause because they have a plan that they're showing I've seen this happen with

[4:14:36] Someone had a commercial lease that they've signed

[4:14:39] But the building permit wasn't it was like they were working on it they could show pictures. It's just

[4:14:45] It took longer than they anticipated to get the site fully renovated for their improvement

[4:14:50] So the council said while you still have that going we're fine to extend it for up to I think they allowed for one more year

[4:14:58] That's what I'm just being like the compliance is someone has-

[4:15:00] Come in and show them exactly what they're doing. Not a, we think we'll figure it out, but it was, here's our contract. Here's our building permit. Here's our contractor. Here's the site we're at. We just can't get there within a year. You know, we can't get there within a month. So give us a few more months to figure it out. Commercial usually builds out slower. Everything slower than you want it to be. But potentially the next is 24 months. Correct. You could have 12 months to operate at this higher level.

[4:15:29] plus a 12 month as they're figuring out whether they want to scale it down or move out.

[4:15:40] And on that note, this was a topic raised by John that I think I left off from a discussion

[4:15:46] y'all had last time. Did you want to give an option for home-based businesses to not

[4:15:50] have a business license for their first year? As written, they're supposed to get one

[4:15:54] as soon as they begin operating. Do you want to give them a year? Say, like, allow it,

[4:15:59] but not require it for their first year. I think we discuss data register,

[4:16:02] and then they have one year and then the second year they have to do business classes.

[4:16:06] That's what we discussed.

[4:16:07] I think I just missed that part in the discussion.

[4:16:10] So I'm going to toss that in, where it says,

[4:16:15] a home business shall obtain a business license from the city,

[4:16:19] and I'll just throw in that home-based business has registered with the city.

[4:16:30] business license is not required for the first year of operation something like that maybe ask a

[4:16:38] question if we're targeting the first year start have been what if a 10 year

[4:16:41] business comes in and it's their first year operation at like point but their business has been made maybe

[4:16:45] could put down first year ever open yeah yeah yeah that's what I think we're kind of catering to the

[4:16:51] person is like, yeah, I'm trying to get my way into the air in the meanness, you know,

[4:16:59] first year of the business is operation.

[4:17:02] Anywhere.

[4:17:03] Yes.

[4:17:05] Now, one thing to guess would it be, uh, because what I want to say is, why are the 10 year business

[4:17:13] moved late?

[4:17:13] Yeah, but it's not any location.

[4:17:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[4:17:16] I think, I think we all, John Doyle, I think we all can agree on that one, yeah.

[4:17:23] You cannot, yeah, part of discrimination, you can't say you have to build them late

[4:17:27] point for that extra 12 months, right, and that's what I thought.

[4:17:32] I don't know, I'm just thinking about it loud, guys.

[4:17:37] Do you guys want to do 18 months or 24 months, extended, they have a possibility.

[4:17:42] that now allows the two together allows 24 that seems like a long I think 18 would be I'd probably

[4:17:48] okay with that. Max of 18. Max of 18. Yeah so that compliance. Yeah. The months to relocate

[4:17:57] different 18 at the maximum 18 would be if they need extended so 12 months would be the start

[4:18:03] and the max you know if they come to say look we know supply chains are crazy still but I mean

[4:18:10] We need a three month. Okay, great. But it has to be done under the six months.

[4:18:15] So that would be changed under 10.6. The compliance period is only six months, not 12.

[4:18:20] Correct. Okay. Is that okay? Where can we have options to go?

[4:18:24] We have options on that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's after we do notifications, find out what to do.

[4:18:28] Okay. Just excluding that because if somebody is that interested, they're going to come

[4:18:37] with giving them a care extension

[4:18:42] on their two. Okay.

[4:18:44] Okay, and is that pretty much it? Does anybody have any other questions on anything else?

[4:18:51] Just back to my first one.

[4:18:53] Yeah, yeah, what is yours for us? What section was it?

[4:18:55] I wanted to be similar to Erda, another one, and limit the home occupation of dwelling on the home-based

[4:19:01] business to dwelling accessory structure or a lot.

[4:19:05] What section was that again?

[4:19:07] That's the beginning, but also 6.2 is affected and 9.3.

[4:19:11] Okay. Let's go back to the first one.

[4:19:18] What was the first round?

[4:19:21] It's different at the very beginning.

[4:19:24] Yes, and then it's throughout, depending on how we rewrite it.

[4:19:28] So this was a question we, original as I drafted a long long time ago,

[4:19:33] not the original thing considered, but it was within the structure,

[4:19:37] and then we moved away from that. So I think that was the question.

[4:19:40] Do you want to have that in the structure restriction or a structure for the home occupation?

[4:19:46] Yes, which is the single person, which is the up to one employee, no real impacts, no visits, nothing.

[4:19:57] Why are you, I worry about living in just the home when maybe they do all their stuff out of the garage, and they have no impact to anybody.

[4:20:05] Yeah, they have everything in the garage, yeah, or the way we currently written it can be on your whole parcel.

[4:20:11] Right.

[4:20:12] So it didn't understand the bill and it could be, I could be doing it all back on my

[4:20:17] name.

[4:20:17] Well, I think it could have been in 12, isn't it?

[4:20:20] That's what I'm asking.

[4:20:21] Or within a structure.

[4:20:23] Structure.

[4:20:23] Because right now it's open to the whole property, the way we redrashed it.

[4:20:29] I'm fine with the being on the property no matter where.

[4:20:32] But that's just where I stand.

[4:20:39] I've got one in one.

[4:20:45] And then it seemed like some of the council members were okay with it being in a structure.

[4:20:53] So I guess the three options are home only, structures only, buildings, any building

[4:21:00] structure or just anything on the property as long as you're in the secondary incidental.

[4:21:09] I'm okay with the garage, I'm just trying to think of the property.

[4:21:12] What's the scenarios beyond what we discuss tonight, anything else?

[4:21:16] When do you think that if they're in the yard, that would have an impact on many of those?

[4:21:20] It might I don't know

[4:21:29] I think I think I

[4:21:33] I agree is on that one cafe

[4:21:36] In your account and work in the back whatever I agree is on the enclosed building I like that

[4:21:44] I

[4:21:48] like to sit down my back deck with my laptop on my lap

[4:21:53] With my employee there, doing our accounting services, that would limit it.

[4:22:00] I like to get vitamin D with the sun.

[4:22:06] I don't think that's the one that you're going to get complaints on.

[4:22:09] You're going to get complaints on the one that they're-

[4:22:11] I'm just saying you're saying that it's not allowed.

[4:22:14] That's what I'm saying.

[4:22:16] Yeah, but we're writing for the actual big impact, not the guy sitting on his porch where

[4:22:21] known to give you know he's working if we allow it right then those ones that are

[4:22:28] in impact we can't address as they become an impact then they have to move to

[4:22:32] home basis but we can't do that if we don't write it well it's certainly no impact

[4:22:37] right which is a second so we have an impact on there it has no minimal off-site

[4:22:43] impacts no more minimal that cover that raw primary residential use yeah

[4:22:48] As long as it doesn't have an impact to your resident, then it's a whole new job.

[4:22:53] Yes, there's a good good plan to whatever we get it.

[4:22:55] Who determines how impactful it is and what is the impact the German?

[4:23:01] We have to know what he said.

[4:23:03] Well, it's like how he said it is.

[4:23:05] So it says, you know, we're minimal.

[4:23:07] If they have enough of an impact, you say, okay, it's enough.

[4:23:09] You get a business license here now on this business.

[4:23:12] That's what it kicks it to.

[4:23:13] Is that required three people?

[4:23:16] Yeah, I mean, it's up to the council to enforce, but the penalty is your home-based business.

[4:23:22] It's not a merely a penalty.

[4:23:23] Did you have an impact on that?

[4:23:24] You pay for a business license.

[4:23:25] Yes.

[4:23:25] You start operating with that requirement.

[4:23:27] Make sure you're parking and that applies.

[4:23:29] But why does this stuff part of our business?

[4:23:31] That's what I'm asking.

[4:23:32] Are we going with the required street people?

[4:23:34] That's not part of it.

[4:23:35] You could just be going neighbors.

[4:23:36] You don't worry if you're going to talk about three people.

[4:23:38] That's the nuisance when they're trees dead and their noise is too loud.

[4:23:43] Okay, so that's good with me that I'm fine. Yeah, I think okay, let's go down to us as other one right now

[4:23:52] No, if we don't I don't think we have to change anything. Yeah, we're good right Ryan says he's good

[4:23:57] Let's was a second one you had right that they were all tied together. Oh, okay

[4:24:04] Hey, trying to wrap my head around Curtis rural everyone. I read this for all of them have that same requirement

[4:24:14] So it's just finished question.

[4:24:16] Yeah, it just delayed it.

[4:24:17] Like, the reason why I put it in there because I didn't see it,

[4:24:21] it looked like you didn't finish it.

[4:24:22] And so that's what I was like finish.

[4:24:23] And it looked like you just, you didn't have a period.

[4:24:26] So, I don't know, I saw it when I first opened the document

[4:24:31] and then I don't see it after I'm going through it.

[4:24:33] So I figured it was probably fixed.

[4:24:35] I don't know.

[4:24:37] As long as you don't put two, three seasons

[4:24:39] occupation on cool rub.

[4:24:40] So, you're good.

[4:24:41] You did an excellent job on this.

[4:24:42] that's where we started.

[4:24:46] We still have that question on service shops. What number

[4:24:53] was that? 8.1.2. Okay. Oh, that the one with that. How much do you use your yard for this?

[4:25:06] Do you hear that we're back to 8.1? What we're doing at the square footage or if

[4:25:14] we're

[4:25:23] the hardest one.

[4:25:31] I think you don't want to go way too much. You don't want to go too low.

[4:25:38] Jordan had some comments here tonight that was about his equipment in a sense. Yep, we

[4:25:44] don't want to block that stuff. We don't want to block anything like that. I guess the question

[4:25:49] you guys want square feet, where do you want item number items, or do you want both, where

[4:25:53] are you thinking? You got all those options. Yeah, we can do both. We can do both. We can

[4:25:58] at two. My preference was just the number. I mean you're going to control the amount of extra garbage

[4:26:08] that somebody has there by limiting it to three lawn mowers or fridges

[4:26:16] or whatever they're working on.

[4:26:22] I think James, I think Jamie wanted to go with the yardstick and measure stuff so. Bring it on.

[4:26:29] I'm okay with just going to the numbers. Forget the square feet. Do you guys want to do that?

[4:26:32] What?

[4:26:34] Where do you guys want to still keep the square feet?

[4:26:36] Are

[4:26:42] you still encouraging?

[4:26:44] Because you originally wanted to put it inside of the structure.

[4:26:47] But if it doesn't, then they get that on top of it.

[4:26:51] Correct?

[4:26:52] Yes.

[4:26:53] Everything's in the structure, except for whatever you say.

[4:26:56] I put it in numbers.

[4:26:57] You can have two cars that you're working on that get scored outside.

[4:27:02] And you can have four generators.

[4:27:08] What do you think?

[4:27:09] I think Mike at least has five to eight lawnmowers out there at one time, but it's very clean, kept in the corner, but

[4:27:20] it's running as I can deep thicken right now.

[4:27:22] No, I don't want to limit anyone, but when people come in here and tell me they're going to put dozens of cars in their yard and have a hundred of fair, we have to limit stuff.

[4:27:32] I think I like the small and large, I think I like that suggestion,

[4:27:42] throw some numbers out, guys. Do you want people we have there?

[4:27:51] I think cars are different enough that they should be treated as cars.

[4:28:02] I suggest that you have a limit on cars brought in to the property from offsite.

[4:28:09] Not the cars that it already belonged to residents there.

[4:28:12] The cars brought in offsite for work.

[4:28:14] I think you should split a specific number on the number on the number of cars brought in at the time.

[4:28:22] I lived in neighborhood once where a guy just brought in crashed cars and parked them on the street.

[4:28:29] That was his business.

[4:28:31] And we had a city ordinance and we were always having to call at least that.

[4:28:35] I just saw what happens when you have three or four cars at a time crashed lingering for more than the 72 hours.

[4:28:44] four or five days, six days trip and one stuff like that. I realize that's not what this is,

[4:28:49] but I've seen situations where you have multiple cars causing blood. Was he just

[4:28:55] repairing them, like salvaged tidal and just where you put them and sell them? I don't know

[4:28:59] what he did. He was using his, he had a corner lot and he was using that to store the jalapeas,

[4:29:05] Okay, he was just using it for artistic expression.

[4:29:11] Yeah, more like yes, I just think there's there's all kinds of trouble you can make with

[4:29:17] other stuff, washing machines, whatever, whatever else you do, I would encourage you to

[4:29:23] specify the number of cars, vehicles, motor vehicles.

[4:29:32] Yeah, we were about that. We've heard a little bit about that. So do you want to just put a

[4:29:37] the closet for cars, vehicles, or anything that like.

[4:29:43] Rob, does that already include the way that it's written with the two large things, or that would just include cars, right?

[4:29:51] Or it could include a piece of equipment or a large piece of equipment or anything big.

[4:29:58] Okay.

[4:29:59] I think it's our...

[4:30:00] It is there.

[4:30:03] I mean, if you want to be more specific, I guess you can, but I think it's already included in what you put in there. And I know that you don't have access to look and see what you said, but.

[4:30:15] Yeah, they're all the second one or third or first.

[4:30:21] Thank you for your comments.

[4:30:24] 8.1.2.2 provided that a residential business may work on and store up to two large items

[4:30:33] such as motor vehicles, trailers, or construction equipment, and up to four small items such

[4:30:41] as small motor equipment or appliances outside of a building or structure on the property.

[4:30:51] Yeah, that's one of the options they're looking at I do I'd like the two large items may

[4:30:56] force them around there and then small items I'm thinking like six or eight I just think

[4:31:02] you know I mean eight I'm thinking eight large items you guys want to stick with two or do

[4:31:07] I go like four I want to go higher than four I just think once you start pushing down this like

[4:31:12] And then maybe you could put a thing in there that has to keep it out of, you know, can't be in the front yard.

[4:31:17] Has to be on the back or somewhere in clothes or has to be somewhere, you know.

[4:31:23] I mean, you could do two large items that's seen from the road and then for if they have them

[4:31:31] screened from view.

[4:31:33] I don't know.

[4:31:34] If they got rid of building, that's okay.

[4:31:37] It doesn't matter.

[4:31:38] Yeah. Yeah. But two outside.

[4:31:43] Just looking at the George's mini.

[4:31:48] I got an eight building inside to work on.

[4:31:52] Do you want to have any things you got outside enough to get in trouble?

[4:31:57] Well, no, that's what I work. Why do you guys are here? Give us an impact. So what would be a safe number?

[4:32:02] What would be a situation? I'm toys down there.

[4:32:04] Yeah. He's some fun toys. What? Well, I'm just thinking about enforcement because like somebody like David Walbeck on the corner is exactly what he just described.

[4:32:13] And David says they're all personal vehicles, but he's part amount selling them on eBay.

[4:32:19] Who's someone's going to, as soon as this gets passed, someone's going to snatch them out.

[4:32:23] And then how is this going to get, I mean, you guys are legislating yourselves into just lawsuit hell here.

[4:32:32] It is what it's going to turn into. And I'm just curious, all it takes is, you know, you say that,

[4:32:39] Oh, well, a lot of people won't care about it,

[4:32:41] but it just takes one late-point resident,

[4:32:44] who's disgruntled to drive around

[4:32:45] and find every violation, submittimal.

[4:32:48] And then because you guys wrote the ordinances,

[4:32:50] you have to enforce them.

[4:32:53] And I think you guys are underestimating,

[4:32:56] your job is gonna be full-time code enforcement

[4:32:59] because it all falls back to you right now

[4:33:01] unless we hire somebody to do it.

[4:33:02] And then that's a full-time employee for the city.

[4:33:07] Just for clarity, this is tight only to business licenses.

[4:33:10] The nuisance, we actually exempted all those vehicles there.

[4:33:13] They're all exempt.

[4:33:14] But I'm saying he's running a business, that's what somebody could complain is that because

[4:33:17] he's partying those cars out and selling them on eBay, it's not personal, it's not a nuisance,

[4:33:22] it falls under the business portion of the code you're writing.

[4:33:27] But how would that be in foreshore, because if he just says it's not a business, there's

[4:33:30] another way we can do, right?

[4:33:32] If he says I'm not selling anything, it's like at what level?

[4:33:35] I mean, if we can determine that he is selling something with that as a business, we'd say you've got to get registered and you've got to follow this process forward and then the question is how far does it become to go with it?

[4:33:48] There's people in his house every night buying car parts.

[4:33:51] I believe you, but I do want to clear that we exempted all storage vehicles like that out in our nuisance.

[4:33:58] Right.

[4:33:59] That's why I'm struggling with this because we had such pushback about it.

[4:34:04] allowing, not, not, I mean, prohibiting them, yeah, prohibiting them, and then we're

[4:34:08] going to put it up here. I might, I think we focus on the motor vehicles under repair,

[4:34:16] because that was the main feedback. Don't allow little repair shocks everywhere, you know, with

[4:34:21] more than a couple of vehicles, if you didn't mind. So, right, you're mainly in towards this

[4:34:25] auto mechanic, like we talked about in the herd and other places, yes. Okay, there, it's their shop,

[4:34:31] We had the one person. You're not repairing them. Jordan you're just parking. Then it's not

[4:34:37] We're just saying this is for repair, right? Yeah, this is repair

[4:34:44] Here's your. Oh, no, I'm I repair them to

[4:34:50] Mother not all being repaired at the same time hopefully not because that would be

[4:34:54] It was financially hard for a business owner too.

[4:34:59] What you described as we're trying not to do, you know, to allow business operate but

[4:35:04] also deal with the bad actor because we had one come in here and make clear to us, I'll

[4:35:08] put 40 vehicles on my property and have them down every street and repair only one at a

[4:35:12] time.

[4:35:13] That's what we don't want.

[4:35:16] And he did have that in the county made him get rid of it and he says don't bring it back

[4:35:21] because I'll take advantage of you.

[4:35:22] So yeah, but what you're saying is we're trying to prevent us from doing that. We don't want someone to drive around in harassed businesses, or I mean, at least I don't do that. That's not the period when I have it.

[4:35:36] Yeah.

[4:35:40] So on this one, Rob, their third suggestion is the 8.1.2.3.

[4:35:49] Just to say it without the points. I need to do it myself.

[4:35:53] Provided that the residential business may work on and store items in an area not exceeding a hundred square feet.

[4:35:59] That's ten feet by ten feet. That's not very much.

[4:36:04] Yes.

[4:36:06] A building or structure that would cover small lawn mowers.

[4:36:13] So it was a hundred square feet for small stuff.

[4:36:15] And then number two of our gydares such as motor vehicles, trailers or construction equipment. I kind of like that one

[4:36:23] That's my preference so far

[4:36:25] I think it's still kids the other one and I reach isn't one of these three that we're doing. Yes

[4:36:32] Okay, that's my thought option one is square footage option two is numbers option three is both

[4:36:39] For the small items it's just an area for big items

[4:36:48] Find up all your lawnmowers neatly, you get five of them across and five of them back

[4:36:54] and get 25 lawnmowers all lined up in the Mary and you're good.

[4:36:58] I don't even think you could put 25, 10 by 10.

[4:37:02] So rub what happens if Jordan's right, we get someone coming in with him like, oh my gosh,

[4:37:05] blah, blah.

[4:37:05] I mean, I guess do we just tweak it or reinforce it, right?

[4:37:08] That's the only thing we can do.

[4:37:09] That's the only thing you can do.

[4:37:10] Okay.

[4:37:11] I don't know what you guys think.

[4:37:12] I don't know.

[4:37:13] I don't know.

[4:37:13] That's not what we want.

[4:37:14] Right?

[4:37:14] Well, we know we won't be business friendly, we've been saying that from the get go, but also we don't protect other citizens.

[4:37:19] As long as the situation, because that's why it's not in our news and ordinance, he was one of our committee members and, you know, we talked to length of that.

[4:37:26] Well, as far as I know, he's just keeping the parts there, they're keeping the tracks there.

[4:37:29] No, I, for some of them, by the time I see families stop by, but I'm not seeing customers, but they are not looking for them. I don't know.

[4:37:41] So if we think that when we add in store items, that changes it and brings in other people, we just limit it to working on items.

[4:37:49] I don't know if that's repair or service of vehicles, equipment, or storage and replights.

[4:37:53] I can, I can lean towards junk because it gives a little bit of square footage.

[4:37:57] So that's limited to two large items.

[4:37:59] I think we're good there.

[4:38:01] I think that kind of covers things a little more.

[4:38:03] I mean, the murder trade won't construct sort of.

[4:38:05] That's a three.

[4:38:08] It's that everything else, but that's not that canning what's inside of it.

[4:38:11] Yes, they have something close. That's not the same thing.

[4:38:13] They don't go and build something.

[4:38:15] I mean, most people would or they would.

[4:38:17] Most people at Ann Lake Point, they do run business.

[4:38:21] They usually have a shed or something they can put stuff in.

[4:38:24] Mike does.

[4:38:26] So you would take 8.1.2 and then say,

[4:38:29] is not permitted except and then add an 8.1.2.3.

[4:38:34] Yeah, basically 8.1.2 exists and where that comma is at the end,

[4:38:38] we add on whichever one of the three you like.

[4:38:41] And say the last one.

[4:38:43] I like the last one too.

[4:38:45] Do you like the last one, Doha?

[4:38:47] Sounds like we got like, we got three.

[4:38:50] Let's do all this as now.

[4:38:55] Yeah, there's so many options here.

[4:38:57] It's almost too much.

[4:38:59] It's almost like going to Baskin Robbins when they got like,

[4:39:03] She's

[4:39:05] They're all good that's a problem

[4:39:07] Most places you go to have a big and then you're like half as garbage, but do their menus like amazing

[4:39:13] Dude they got what's your favorite man?

[4:39:16] Every time

[4:39:34] I need to incorporate that delivery exception or the home octopation as well.

[4:39:43] Ken, are you in the equipment fit in something like that?

[4:39:51] Yeah, yeah.

[4:39:53] Yeah, what's up?

[4:39:55] If we tweet potentially would be where you get the one under square feet,

[4:39:59] where

[4:40:02] you've got the word plus the one under square feet would apply to a small item.

[4:40:10] Yeah, yeah. I think it kind of compasses that.

[4:40:13] Instead of plus or say, or up to two large items.

[4:40:19] It's pretty small. I think I'm okay with it. Just same plus.

[4:40:22] I'm okay with plus.

[4:40:26] You want the plus?

[4:40:35] The only other comment I'm seeing is...

[4:40:38] Garage.

[4:40:39] Oh yeah, garage sales.

[4:40:41] I mean, I guess we could put it in there.

[4:40:43] Like a little area.

[4:40:45] Yeah.

[4:40:45] Right.

[4:40:46] Just something that says, I thought we talked about 12 years a lot.

[4:40:51] That is a lot.

[4:40:51] That is a lot of things.

[4:40:52] I mean, 6, you want to do 6?

[4:40:54] No, I'm fine with the 12, like one every month, but we need to say it right in there.

[4:40:59] It can exceed the parking regulations, and we on the street or something during the sales

[4:41:03] because they're all over town, right?

[4:41:05] Right.

[4:41:06] I'm okay with that.

[4:41:07] A couple that have a really large, large, large, right?

[4:41:16] She's right here or open the nine. He's a 12. I said six. Hey, top of me for once. Love it. Okay. So I think we're okay with 12 on that.

[4:41:26] All right. Hold on to me. I've got to write it so you can prove it. Where are you putting it? Yeah, where are you hiding it?

[4:41:32] 4.9, 8.3 is in this section of the specific regulations of just a little bit of self-sufficiency.

[4:41:39] Prepare shops, animal instruction, garage yard sales, any residents, so you want to

[4:41:47] allow up to 12 per year?

[4:41:49] Yeah.

[4:41:49] Okay.

[4:41:50] I think that's okay.

[4:41:52] Do we have two days?

[4:41:53] Yeah, maximum of three.

[4:41:57] Whoa.

[4:41:57] Okay.

[4:41:58] Whoa.

[4:41:58] Okay.

[4:41:58] We got to go.

[4:41:59] We got a six at three.

[4:42:00] We got to come in the middle.

[4:42:01] should we do like six and a half.

[4:42:06] I think I'm okay with six. I think I don't

[4:42:12] know if it's going to be more than 12 years. Well, you don't be the winner. That's

[4:42:16] one thing. You're also run two days most of the time. Oh, because these are per day.

[4:42:21] No, this is per time. Yeah, so that means that means that's still that's

[4:42:33] That's good. Okay. Is there any other sections we talked about?

[4:42:39] Did you have it in the year?

[4:42:40] We're going to do foot trucks. We're going to do foot trucks.

[4:42:42] We're going to do that all the way. That's right.

[4:42:44] Okay.

[4:42:45] We have to do mobile businesses but it's not and you're

[4:42:48] so we're going to have to.

[4:42:49] That's what we forgot.

[4:42:50] Was that the mobile businesses?

[4:42:52] Oh, yes.

[4:42:54] Well businesses that are not food trucks.

[4:42:57] I think the only thing is just that they keep their stuff off the like they just follow the guidelines of keeping their stuff off the truck in the street because these are

[4:43:03] can we write it that they should try to get a business line up?

[4:43:07] Is it the mistake on this but if you have a mobile business,

[4:43:16] isn't that more like a contractor coming out to a site to take care of something,

[4:43:22] just like if they were building on site.

[4:43:24] and you have your plumber com, or you have your electrician, or you have your mechanic come to fix your kind of.

[4:43:34] So there's kind of two thoughts of mobile businesses.

[4:43:39] There's the people who travel like a contractor.

[4:43:41] They have an office in Twilla, but they come to a work job up here.

[4:43:46] We could regulate those, lots of these just don't care.

[4:43:49] I don't want to. I don't want to. I'm making for the other one. The other one is someone has a little barbershop they operate out of a van and they go and they go set it up somewhere like a

[4:44:01] little barbershop. It's a lot. It's allowed anywhere in a similar business is allowed. So if you allow a barbershop in a residential zone or a mobile business can also operate there.

[4:44:14] They can also operate in private property without any restriction.

[4:44:17] We can put regulations on how to use streets.

[4:44:23] But I think we did that all with food trucks.

[4:44:25] It might just be, we need to just amend the business license order to say food trucks and mobile businesses.

[4:44:31] Because the regulations on the street law are basically the same.

[4:44:33] But what we want to do is capture is regular, we have an advocate, maybe she's not here anymore, but she has a massage truck, she will be registering her business out of Lake Point because she needs a business license.

[4:44:47] The goal is to capture that subtle stuff also here, right?

[4:44:53] But the sail happens all out of the way.

[4:44:56] No, the one in town is one.

[4:44:58] Yes.

[4:45:00] We registered, like, you could take a food truck and they come here in place. You could say here, fill this out so we can capture your assistance. It's the same thing, but we don't have that anywhere in our current ordinance. We don't have that. We have something about food trucks. We don't have that. We can amend the business license to just say food trucks and mobile businesses and just kind of this regulation, they're basically the same and just make sure we're capturing both of those at the same time.

[4:45:23] But don't you want that? That seems like more often. That will see some more realists.

[4:45:27] Don't we want the lady? Because she said I want a business license.

[4:45:29] Don't we want a business license? But she could get a business license with us.

[4:45:31] She still...

[4:45:32] She'll get a business license and then talks about them doing the tax forms when they're operating here.

[4:45:36] Within the commercial?

[4:45:38] It's within our normal business license or not a home-based.

[4:45:42] It's in our commercial business license.

[4:45:43] We did, we dressed food trucks.

[4:45:45] I forgot.

[4:45:46] Because I wrote that before.

[4:45:48] They did the new state law that addressed all the businesses.

[4:45:50] I forgot that we had a separate business license.

[4:45:54] So we have pet care detailing. There's just a lot operating out of town. The curving guy is a mobile business. That's what he is.

[4:46:06] It would go under the commercial.

[4:46:09] So under our businesses, we'd be able to make and get a license or registration and then sell tax ID for sales of curing in Lincoln.

[4:46:17] Yep, and if one comes in, we can require them to do certain things if they're operating on us in the same site for a long period of time

[4:46:26] We always can get them to do taxes

[4:46:29] And we can check to make sure if they don't have business license for someone else

[4:46:33] So it is covered we seem to make sure that you're expanded to cover the mobile business

[4:46:37] Okay, and then adding those requirements

[4:46:42] Okay, can you would you be able to have that ready for next meeting only because I

[4:46:46] which is not two weeks, next week, right?

[4:46:50] No, not two weeks.

[4:46:50] I can do it in the 20 minutes.

[4:46:53] Those are next.

[4:46:53] Yeah, meaning.

[4:46:54] Well, besides.

[4:46:56] Is that applicant still out there?

[4:46:57] The misuse lady that moved it down?

[4:46:59] I've had a few more months to reach out, so it doesn't even matter.

[4:47:03] OK, so we have a lot of waiting.

[4:47:06] I will have a lady for the 20 nights.

[4:47:08] Thank you.

[4:47:09] So that's amending the business license order

[4:47:11] in the Seattle luxury.

[4:47:13] Just I think we've called business money.

[4:47:14] We're going to add more resistance to the business license, where we can collect the sales

[4:47:18] salary of new friends and family.

[4:47:19] Yeah, I think so.

[4:47:20] And they'd be warning to that one.

[4:47:21] It's probably commercial.

[4:47:22] Can you bring some examples of parking things you're talking about, not parking or what

[4:47:28] they need to do?

[4:47:29] It's in the ordinance.

[4:47:30] But basically, you can repart our site.

[4:47:32] If they operate over a certain number of hours on private property, essentially, if they

[4:47:36] set up more of a permanent shop, it turns into a...

[4:47:39] You can repart our site when it's like, okay, how are you actually going to handle parking

[4:47:41] on this little site right now?

[4:47:43] But if it's under so number out, you just don't care, they can operate wherever they want.

[4:47:48] So I will update the business license ordinance to include those things.

[4:47:52] Thank you.

[4:47:53] Oh,

[4:47:56] look at it.

[4:47:58] All right.

[4:47:59] We're going with the garage yard sale language I added.

[4:48:02] We're going to have to go on.

[4:48:04] With the definition of garage and yard sales, we can define it.

[4:48:10] Is everybody OK with 12?

[4:48:12] I mean, that just that sounds like there's 24 days. I was only 12. It's got it. Don't lay has 11 a year

[4:48:20] Don't we do you do your adult 11 or 10 so you're safe, right?

[4:48:24] Just mess it man. Just messing. I'm okay going out of six. I was okay with six or seven

[4:48:29] I'll support you six. I don't know. Is very business that go down that do this like six two days, right?

[4:48:35] So you're operating

[4:48:41] I just don't know anybody who would do that, I'm like point, is there?

[4:48:46] What about Keegan?

[4:48:47] What does Keegan do?

[4:48:49] Keegan.

[4:48:50] That's the one I can think of.

[4:48:51] He's not 12 years.

[4:48:52] They're every COVID-19.

[4:48:54] Okay, so he's under the six.

[4:48:55] When he clears inventory, he just put one out yesterday.

[4:48:58] Yeah.

[4:48:58] I'm clearing inventory last cell over here.

[4:49:00] So he's in the position.

[4:49:01] Okay, so I don't want to hurt him.

[4:49:03] I know other people, another business.

[4:49:05] So John. He likes 100 still. Okay. We'll discuss. Are we okay? You want to do a six?

[4:49:13] Yeah, there we go. Thanks. Well, you said three. You want three, right? Do all of you okay with six?

[4:49:20] Well, I stayed at three, but that I wanted to bring out the discussion. I just, you know,

[4:49:40] I'd like to limit them if we can.

[4:49:47] Okay.

[4:49:49] Well, would this be an area to put in?

[4:49:52] No, it was six, then 12.

[4:49:57] Let's go back to that one clause we had.

[4:50:00] They will get a parking degree with neighbors

[4:50:02] or something for large shows.

[4:50:07] I think six is okay.

[4:50:08] I mean, people, because it's in frequent most cities don't require like off street parking and such because it's just kind of a one-time thing and people line the streets and it's done.

[4:50:19] I guess what we're trying to address is, well, maybe that's what we're trying to figure out too.

[4:50:23] A yardside field, come on, they could do ours is one thing. One of these cells, he doesn't for two hours and everyone goes at the same time.

[4:50:30] And it's done, right?

[4:50:31] It's done. That's a huge impact to see.

[4:50:35] most most yard sales no matter how long they're operating most of people come

[4:50:41] early because if they don't the stuff that they wanted is God. Well I'm

[4:50:46] meaning 40 or 50 cars that's why he did the agreement with his neighbors. Yeah it's

[4:50:50] all at once. Yeah. Is there any concern on that?

[4:51:11] I mean, if you really want a good, efficient sale, you'll figure out how to park people so that you can get to a certain extent.

[4:51:18] Especially these, those agreements, he still can work out.

[4:51:26] Last thing was events.

[4:51:28] We didn't put events in there.

[4:51:29] Yeah, events, but still another commercial.

[4:51:31] Okay.

[4:51:32] The events is where they come to.

[4:51:33] Are they?

[4:51:34] Well, I thought more like a special event.

[4:51:36] Well, late-point days.

[4:51:37] We'll probably have a special event permit ordinance.

[4:51:39] Okay.

[4:51:40] That's not a home-based business.

[4:51:41] Yeah.

[4:51:42] Can you?

[4:51:42] Because we want to click through that, so, Secretary.

[4:51:44] Now, we, Dan and I have always asked every vendor coming to late-point days

[4:51:47] and they still are whatever.

[4:51:48] It forms and then yeah, but now it'd be something that'd be good to

[4:51:52] To put in there because they want we want to help up the residents and to me if they're gonna do a big event

[4:51:56] Yes, sell I mean why not right the other locations do that like you know the food truck we got I'm not sure a hundred percent

[4:52:02] Acro this is probably wrong. I heard they go over there every Thursday, but all the cells text goes their corporate office

[4:52:08] I don't like that. I really that hurts the community those things are big money makers for the league versus the

[4:52:14] Which to me we've always tried I try person it was book in the local food trucks

[4:52:18] I that yeah, and that way benefits the community in the county, but now us as a city. So, okay

[4:52:23] So the only thing that's outside the ordinance is our education pack. We wanted to make yes, I think it I think it'd be good to kind of throw that together

[4:52:30] I love to have all your guys ideas I still want to and I don't know if we have to put in ordinance, but still hold the

[4:52:36] Service and sales day the city host for everyone that registered

[4:52:40] To in test. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's the part. I don't want to give up on

[4:52:43] Come on down. It's free. I would love it. I would love to include it in the welcome packet. I think that's the other thing. I did edit the conclusion. The conclusion came from John's ordinance, but I threw in a little sense about

[4:52:57] So, but hearing the city's vision of core values and buildings and regulations that I added it and by actively engaging promoting residents and businesses within like point

[4:53:06] To foster the vibrant. So I try to throw them like we will try to engage them, but I don't want to get exposed. You don't want to. Yeah

[4:53:12] We're going to host X event, we'll try to engage them.

[4:53:16] That was my thought.

[4:53:17] That was one lucky day.

[4:53:18] One other thing, too, is we thank you Rob.

[4:53:19] I think the other thing, too, we're looking at adding was at the very end of Verbige,

[4:53:22] if you want a little bit of mentor in the community to help them out.

[4:53:25] I mean, that stuff could be the welcome kit, you know what I mean?

[4:53:27] And I think that'd be good.

[4:53:28] I think that's why Rob left it out, we can get some as well, but we can go back, pull those

[4:53:31] things out.

[4:53:32] We're going to adopt a resolution that we're going to hold an annual late-point business

[4:53:38] only.

[4:53:38] You know, day.

[4:53:40] Yeah.

[4:53:40] something like that. The word that says government interference feels really

[4:53:47] negative. Where does that say that? On that conclusion. Is there another way of

[4:53:52] phrasing? What? What's your favorite minimal government interference?

[4:53:57] Up to you. Up to you. Oh, it just bases in that they're not going to hear. Oh, he says minimal. So, I think it's okay, but me.

[4:54:05] Involvement, controlling, yelling. I don't know what kind of work to go in there. Do you want to just get rid of it?

[4:54:13] I don't want to find that the government's interfering your business and we go address it or we go have a register we don't, you know, I don't know regulation, I think that sounds more harsh.

[4:54:30] Yeah, I think there's a sounds okay, it's like middle line. I think it sounds like I'm okay with that one

[4:54:36] I will guarantee you that that statement right there is accurate

[4:54:54] But no matter how you want to polish it, when government gets involved in anything, it's going to interfere.

[4:55:01] They think they have a solution to everything and once they come up with their solution, they find out that they made it often times more difficult than it needed to be.

[4:55:15] Who wrote that?

[4:55:16] But does that you wrote that, but then it never is that from our version?

[4:55:19] Yeah, it was probably from one of the other versions.

[4:55:21] It was from a version.

[4:55:22] I did not write.

[4:55:23] I wrote in the little...

[4:55:25] I see it from my...

[4:55:26] I think the minimal?

[4:55:27] It was from something.

[4:55:28] The minimal, I think, makes it feel okay with it.

[4:55:32] I just...

[4:55:33] I agree with you, Jonathan, the monologue government.

[4:55:35] But once there's in the government that does exist,

[4:55:38] it's their job to protect the health safety and welfare of all individual liberties.

[4:55:42] So that's why I think taking it out and just saying,

[4:56:02] I think it doesn't really scare me. I mean, if it is a minimal, it would scare me more, but I think it's okay. So I'm okay leaving it. What do you guys want to do?

[4:56:13] Ryan wants you to take it out. Okay, Captain wants to take out John wants to leave it in

[4:56:19] duel. It's up to you. What do you want to do?

[4:56:28] Section 11. Section 11, man. Section 11. Yeah, we're all we're discussing on. Section 11 is

[4:56:36] right in the middle. It says, where it says liberties. After liberties, Ryan and Captain

[4:56:41] or anything, I'll just scratching while ensuring minimal government interference.

[4:56:48] John, I'm partial, I don't really care as I've just laid it in.

[4:56:50] I'm looking at that, I believe that is an understood,

[4:57:01] yes, that's a good point.

[4:57:05] So we got two, four, two, two to take out two to leave it.

[4:57:10] It's all on your shoulder still.

[4:57:15] Okay. We just need to clarify. Okay. All right, Jerry, motion to prove with all changes

[4:57:23] in the night and everything else discussion. Anything else in the end of that? Okay.

[4:57:28] I second your motion. Thank you, right? All

[4:57:38] that stuff didn't quite just get late, bro.

[4:57:42] We're technically midnight. Yeah, making a motion. Yeah, you made a motion. Yeah, I'm

[4:57:48] discussed. Yes. Okay. It's still balled over in spring. Like what? Sorry, it's just

[4:57:55] talks over. All right. Motion by DM. Seconded by Ryan.

[4:58:03] Any further discussion? Only

[4:58:05] that I'm excited. We're here. Wow. There's been a lot of work. We've done a lot of good

[4:58:09] changes. I think this week and last week, I have proof that we can work through it and give

[4:58:15] her take discussion. I think these are the best two weeks of her discussion in the last

[4:58:18] six months. Look at all the things we, you know, understood from each other and stuff.

[4:58:24] So I just want to stress how excited I am that we're able to work through this all and

[4:58:28] also that if we see we've made a mistake, we all understand that we can come fix it if

[4:58:32] we've impacted something. We can amend it. This isn't the end. Well, that's one thing I

[4:58:36] think that I think Jamie or Rob both and all of us have said multiple times so. This is

[4:58:39] their further discussion. Oh yeah, and that's yeah, all this stuff because that way you can

[4:58:43] be home by. We just want to share how excited we are and how nice it was to work this all

[4:58:48] out. Yes. And to get to this point, because I think we started this in March.

[4:58:52] They're very March somewhere in there. Yes. Four versions. Roves being fifth.

[4:58:59] Definitely grab congrats on doing clean this up. You did all the hard work of

[4:59:04] getting your thoughts together. Well, I think we did a lot of, can you reach out?

[4:59:08] We've really tried to do our best. We heard comments tonight,

[4:59:12] which I think really kind of gave us some insight there.

[4:59:28] I am very excited. I think you have a good place. I am with you. In the last couple of weeks, the Council has done excellence in each other and listening to the residents. We have made several adjustments on feedback tonight.

[4:59:43] So, I'd be f***ing language-free rights and how to phrase things better from John, I love, you know, that you look at.

[4:59:50] Let's phrase it this way, over this way, even though, where we want to be, so I'd like that too, so, we're in place.

[4:59:57] And even if we disagree through things along the way, we know this is good.

[5:00:00] So we're going to vote for, it doesn't matter if we disagree in the little things because the overall we're going to help our citizens. This is like, it's helped the business community.

[5:00:10] We're going to go for, this is a ordinance, so we have to do a roll call.

[5:00:19] First, yay on the record just once again, just very grateful for the systems that participated. Our city council really working hard. It's taking six months.

[5:00:30] I just want to get here and pull with the input,

[5:00:32] I'm turning recorder, and everybody else out there.

[5:00:39] And that's it.

[5:00:44] No, we're voting.

[5:00:45] Doyle.

[5:00:46] Yeah, you're nay.

[5:00:47] For you, Doyle.

[5:00:51] Yes, ma'am.

[5:00:53] Yeah, John, then I wasn't sure if you had to hear it.

[5:00:59] He sounded like he was going to say something else.

[5:01:00] I didn't even want to come up.

[5:01:01] John, I'm going to say nay for a couple of reasons right now.

[5:01:11] difficult to like when we edit it here doesn't really give an opportunity for a lot of

[5:01:16] the citizens to sit there and see if we have one here that's stuck it out and I appreciate

[5:01:22] it. So number one, we changed it. I don't know if they know what's actually been changed

[5:01:28] now today. And then on all the feedback that I've received on this particular item, I don't

[5:01:36] I think we have met all the feedback I received.

[5:01:40] I know that we've gotten some.

[5:01:42] I appreciate your feedback tonight.

[5:01:46] But I'm still going off of a lot of those surveys

[5:01:48] and I didn't have a lot of people reach out to me

[5:01:51] that was contrary to what those surveys were showing.

[5:01:54] We had a few come to our meetings

[5:01:56] and I appreciate your feedback.

[5:01:59] So a name for me.

[5:02:03] Kathleen, I'm gonna have to be an A2

[5:02:06] but opposite reasons for jumping.

[5:02:08] I appreciate that we compromise and got it down from the higher numbers than we started at.

[5:02:14] I'm glad that we came down and I appreciate that and I know we've worked through a lot.

[5:02:17] I just had, I feel it's just too high for the residential, I think it's still too big of a business for residential.

[5:02:26] And to be clear, those were not my numbers, those were the numbers I received from the public from our surveys.

[5:02:35] So it passes three to two.

[5:02:40] We are two item nine at 30 clarification.

[5:02:46] And I have a clarification and request.

[5:02:49] I should have run it up earlier, but I forgot.

[5:02:53] I'm also excited to talk about home-based businesses in a local agreement.

[5:02:58] Wait a minute.

[5:02:59] The interlocal agreement with the county, that one.

[5:03:01] So I've heard comments. Obviously, I think we want to negotiate on the police costs. I think it to push back and say we get this has happened. The cost was calculated given that there has been virtually no change.

[5:03:16] Let's our property value went down. Yes. And there's been no new growth like late points demographics have not changed that we're not needing more police services than we have been.

[5:03:27] and it really shouldn't be that high.

[5:03:30] I want to know how to calculate it last year.

[5:03:32] They did not calculate it off of property tax.

[5:03:35] I know, I need to have that conversation.

[5:03:37] But I think that's definitely, I'm going to bring that back.

[5:03:39] I'm having to keep with this, that, it's, okay.

[5:03:41] So, okay, go ahead, I'll let you think about it.

[5:03:43] That I'll go out on my, trying to read, okay.

[5:03:46] This is what it's said.

[5:03:48] Right, it's just keep closing on my head.

[5:03:50] Can we extend the month while we negotiate this?

[5:03:52] Because I don't see how we can give this to somebody

[5:03:54] just some of this.

[5:03:55] Maybe we can, but there might be a month in which we don't have an agreement and then

[5:04:04] we enter into an agreement in January to retroactively extend things.

[5:04:10] I mean.

[5:04:13] Okay, I'm going to hit you with a lot of questions wrong.

[5:04:15] Okay.

[5:04:16] That's two.

[5:04:17] And the agreement from earlier that we just signed last year for the 49 square miles is

[5:04:26] 400,000 including dispatched units. So that's a starter of why is there so high?

[5:04:32] 400,000 for 49 square miles and that includes their dispatched in the 400.000.

[5:04:39] I had to take it from article from the transcript. How big is weight point?

[5:04:45] 4.5. 4.9. Less than a time.

[5:04:49] Yes.

[5:04:51] And our population is less.

[5:04:53] For sure. It had never been calculated off the track space.

[5:04:56] No.

[5:04:57] So we're wondering if that could be discriminatory,

[5:04:59] touring to higher, medium, and come areas.

[5:05:03] That's a weird problem.

[5:05:05] Fire does that work.

[5:05:06] It's according to the federal fast weather, do you mean?

[5:05:09] According to the IRDA's agreement, it was based on a certain percentage

[5:05:12] of the sheriff's office municipal service budget and 15% administrative fee.

[5:05:17] IRDA negotiated down to 65% of the municipal services budget and a 12% fee.

[5:05:24] That is not based on our income. That's based on their budget and a percentage plus a 12%

[5:05:30] admin fee. And this was just at the end of last year, December. So that's when I don't

[5:05:36] know if it's the new attorney. Maybe there's no previous agreements. Yeah. I don't know.

[5:05:43] Here's the next one. State law. I just want clarity on this because this law changed for fees for

[5:05:49] the sheriff on 5-3-20-23. State law, the legislative body may only set a fee for a service

[5:05:55] charged by the county sheriff in the amount reasonably related to providing that service.

[5:06:02] It seems unreasonable to tie it to—oh sorry, reasonably related, but not exceeding the actual

[5:06:08] cost of providing the service. It seems that tying it to our income is also against that one

[5:06:12] per state code.

[5:06:13] Yeah, that's it. Yes. Yes.

[5:06:16] 17. Can't you just look for a solution to the contract with R to R's?

[5:06:23] We do. We wouldn't say it's got a 17-2.5.

[5:06:28] I like it to mine. Yes.

[5:06:29] Save our assignments.

[5:06:30] And then it goes into more saying if they're going to set a fee, then they have to articulate all this stuff for some ins, for service, for warrants.

[5:06:38] And it has to be based on certain dollar amounts.

[5:06:40] And the last thing was, oh, I already covered it, because I called it as budget numeric specifically.

[5:06:48] I give the examiner a number.

[5:06:52] 400 dollars, sorry. So that includes dispatching everything.

[5:06:56] So that includes dispatching?

[5:06:57] Yeah, for fiscal year 24, $400,000 for dispatching and, for sure.

[5:07:03] So it caught me off guard.

[5:07:04] I know Doyle's not a lot of research.

[5:07:06] I don't know if he has any comments about it.

[5:07:10] Yeah, I don't know.

[5:07:12] I just got it Monday night, and I looked at it, I think yesterday, and then I sent it to everyone, and I was like,

[5:07:19] I know there's problems with this, I just haven't had time to, like, delve into it.

[5:07:22] I was just getting, I even told Nathan, like, I'm going to have some edits,

[5:07:26] we're going to have some, I definitely know land use we have to figure out,

[5:07:29] because you didn't really touch that.

[5:07:30] Are they rejecting that?

[5:07:32] They're not sending one, because they don't want to do it anymore,

[5:07:34] because it feels like they don't want to do it anymore.

[5:07:35] When I asked him if he thought he was the intent to not do this or there's a clause in

[5:07:44] this that says we reaffirm the existing agreement for everything else I said so did you

[5:07:50] mean that you're extending and he said yes I meant that we would extend all of the

[5:07:54] language so I was like we're definitely going to declare there are only a few things like

[5:07:59] we're going to take over basically everything and my thought was I just wanted to say we're

[5:08:03] You're going to leave the permits of the council as approved for up to the certain time

[5:08:08] with you to complete that you've already collected fees for, and any bonding type of contracts

[5:08:15] you have for development, you still oversee those and finish those out, but then everything

[5:08:20] else is now late points.

[5:08:22] Was my thought of making an edit to the contract based on our conversations?

[5:08:26] You bring questions.

[5:08:27] And I think you're probably bringing questions.

[5:08:29] Yeah, no, everything.

[5:08:29] So I think if he has a platt out that he already bonded for that like we did one of his platt and had a

[5:08:36] And he has if he is a constrict and we have the one the extension

[5:08:41] So there's two plattes. There's that one. There's another one that came in towards beginning of the year that they might be doing a bond out

[5:08:46] For it's like I don't want to have that develop have to switch their bonding from

[5:08:51] the county to us and handle those inspections

[5:08:54] might always leave the things that they've already all approved and collected fees for

[5:08:58] for those things only but everything new comes back to the city but what are your thoughts?

[5:09:04] I was trying to ask my first one on that particular one is the county what they did basically forced

[5:09:09] us to make the decision by giving now like because their decision was we approve if they approve the

[5:09:15] I like our residents don't want us to approve an extension in my belief on anything to do with them

[5:09:22] So I'm having a hard time with saying to leave that with them without some oversight here locally for another year.

[5:09:30] I also think they lack understanding that that doesn't include the key lacks understanding.

[5:09:34] He needs to include all the homes and everything over that course of that whole.

[5:09:38] Oh, no, this would just be life.

[5:09:39] Yeah.

[5:09:40] My thought was the construction of the roads and the utilities, the roads basically.

[5:09:47] I mean, the county would all receive

[5:09:49] with the improvement completion assurance

[5:09:51] and the equivalent warranty insurance

[5:09:53] before you can record the plaque.

[5:09:55] But then being there to a lot

[5:09:56] and to come into being built,

[5:09:57] comes through the city,

[5:09:59] near whoever you log.

[5:10:00] What if it's you where it's at?

[5:10:02] Because the road's how that has been built for a year.

[5:10:05] And that's how you've been in the improvements left to do,

[5:10:07] then there's really nothing left for the county to do.

[5:10:09] That was what I was like.

[5:10:10] And there was some improvements,

[5:10:11] like the project improvements that you have to do

[5:10:13] with the subdivision,

[5:10:14] And they have already collected the bond for that was supposed to be out for a certain amount of time.

[5:10:19] It might be easily that with them, but we can always push for that back.

[5:10:23] Part of his lack of what happened is because he didn't bond.

[5:10:26] He didn't meet his obligations, and that's where it went before them, because he didn't do what he was supposed to.

[5:10:31] Well, he's not, but then he's not bond.

[5:10:32] He was not.

[5:10:33] And so that might not even geo to think that's maybe, hey, he could bond with us.

[5:10:36] We could figure that out.

[5:10:38] I don't have a problem doing that.

[5:10:39] That's that one for me everyone for me is that I

[5:10:43] I'm fine bringing everything back and just not charging fees after the end of the year for ones that aren't on their findings

[5:10:49] But that's it's like some of these are still a year out because they're just not doing anything. I hate to leave them there continually continuing

[5:10:58] so

[5:10:59] I'd like to get specific on with you. Yeah, I know I know we those certain meeting works because I wasn't left with them

[5:11:05] I think they're anything I haven't paid if they have a club to the fee for it

[5:11:08] There isn't any. I don't have any. I know they have this weird thing with some of the overview plans and they'll kind of say

[5:11:13] I thought as it doesn't matter at this point you can turn it over to the city like if you haven't collected a feed

[5:11:18] My thought is for the residents if they've paid someone to do something

[5:11:21] They're not going to be able to get it back from the county

[5:11:24] So try to get what they can out of the county was my thought, but obviously it's up to the council to decide

[5:11:28] Yeah, and I'm finding a way when they're pleased to bring things back

[5:11:31] I just the same way because the more trouble for them to have to go there on everything

[5:11:36] you know and even even like this one we have tonight right they just go on

[5:11:41] cancel it then we have to re up it seems like us re-uppening and taking an

[5:11:45] unark about these here and I don't think it's janitor in the other group but

[5:11:49] just it's like it feels like they just want to get out of it and make it better clean

[5:11:53] this is it's just the girl who makes having a brand new city that's in the middle

[5:11:58] of everything it's it doesn't have it very often so any other thoughts on the

[5:12:06] Class C only. Class C before and now they put in all. That's a difference. We don't know. I should say the same language should be used to class C's.

[5:12:15] Are you still fine with giving the class C's for the services?

[5:12:18] Yes. As long as how we articulated all the services included before.

[5:12:22] Yes. I was just like, we'll just copy the same language we had before and stick it back in.

[5:12:26] The other one was we had a month of the expiration and now they've gone to six. We had a understanding of three months and we gave them that.

[5:12:34] That's because that was up my word that we would do that, but it was in contract of only month and now they're jumped up six.

[5:12:42] The most I would be in favor of three.

[5:12:44] I don't know what the rest of the answer, but that's what.

[5:12:46] Post for stay with 30 and if they argue, maybe say, let's do three.

[5:12:52] 30 for 30.

[5:12:56] It feels like a little bit of retaliation.

[5:13:00] Or take them away.

[5:13:06] So yeah, so the class C 90 days are out of the days and you know, the sheriff

[5:13:13] calls. Sheriff calls. They're going out land views. When are we going to know this

[5:13:16] batch cost? So I guess that's through July of 24, right? We've already got that

[5:13:20] joy. That contract's in place currently. And I think that I think whatever

[5:13:25] lot like we talked about, whatever plan we go with in the end for long for

[5:13:30] This fetch is always going to be in place no matter what because everyone uses them so there's no option to do it so

[5:13:37] So we're going to have to agree with that over and over again. That's based on culture. But we are getting an RFP

[5:13:43] For this fetch no no for that no, we just have to send a letter. No free. Are we doing an art?

[5:13:49] You got to do an RFP. We can just send it out for the police. So we can look to possibly bid out grants for someone

[5:13:54] We don't have to do an RFP. We just send a letter saying. Okay. This is what we're looking for. Tell us how much it costs

[5:13:59] and have them come up with that letter we are working and we got a meeting

[5:14:03] yeah I sent a text or to see if they want to talk with her thank you so I text

[5:14:07] someone called him day and and right now we'll coordinate this next two days yeah

[5:14:11] thank you yes I had a discussion last night

[5:14:25] that's that Doyle we'll get it out of here everyone want to leave a question

[5:14:29] we just think yes we can get together so we can better

[5:14:39] along with it yeah I

[5:14:49] think from

[5:14:51] our feedback when we met with Colin a long time ago is it a council member or two on there

[5:14:57] as they push everyone off contracts.

[5:15:00] July 24th, that's what we learned. Maybe that's still trucking forward and this is the way to do it, to out price and sorry, gotta go get your own. I can't think of any reason why, other than I miss

[5:15:11] Kathleen we served the notices we opposed the workers press way we they lost

[5:15:17] money on the waste we were told that I don't know of what's going on we couldn't

[5:15:21] get on their regular budget to look at it but I do know it was calculated based

[5:15:24] off of their budget not tax base

[5:15:34] yes money

[5:15:49] wise yeah

[5:15:52] we're all ahead one more

[5:15:53] question because everyone is always in fear but everything I know from

[5:15:59] working alone enforcement is the sheriff under the state code has a legal obligation to act

[5:16:03] during emergencies that if we went out of contract he still would have to respond to emergencies.

[5:16:09] I have never known I had a similar discussion not exactly one-to-one but a similar one where

[5:16:15] the sheriff from a different kind of instance in it we're still going to respond if there's

[5:16:20] you know someone's an act of trying to kill someone else like we're going to come and respond

[5:16:24] to it.

[5:16:25] 9-1 will still work. We're not going to get any additional services, and they're not going to patrol, and they're not going to do a lot of things, but they're going to handle the basic stuff. Now, thankfully, the city has an obligation to figure out how to handle basic 9-1-1 services. We have a state law obligation to do that, so they're still going to handle the emergencies, but it's, I don't want that gap to go too long, obviously.

[5:16:50] No, no, I just, my three-veg I go from Larry Council members, they felt they were forced

[5:16:55] because the messages to them, you won't have any help at all.

[5:16:58] We're not going to come in to know if you don't.

[5:17:00] I mean, I guess the right was Sheriff Codd.

[5:17:02] I think that would be some problems with them.

[5:17:04] Just, you don't have a responding to an animal in one call of something like that.

[5:17:08] Yeah, and it did not come from him, it came from the council.

[5:17:10] He, he is still up there and said, I wish I had control of my own thing.

[5:17:16] That's how I'm different like to the officials, sometimes it works.

[5:17:20] Okay.

[5:17:23] Do you know if I experienced it once before in the south at Lake of all places?

[5:17:28] There's a city that no one knows. Have you seen any more times where the hydro patrol

[5:17:33] was contracting anymore? It's one I haven't considered sending it to because that's the only

[5:17:38] place I saw. But they contracted with the hydro patrol to do traffic control and all that

[5:17:43] within their city and then focused on other calls, another contract.

[5:17:46] I haven't seen that too often. Most because it's hard enough to get how to control

[5:17:51] Team could do like state roads. Yeah, they love doing the freeways, but like some of the longer state roads

[5:17:57] They don't really get on as much

[5:17:59] But I guess there's nothing stopping them from contracting. It's having seen it. The one thing too is you're getting them

[5:18:03] Convincing them that it's worth their time. I can see all the time. They ran it mostly on overtime chase for their officers

[5:18:09] They want to do work overtime. I mean, I mean, I think I guess if you say we will agree to pay overtime

[5:18:14] time. You could probably, because they're not overstaffed. I mean, I think it's my

[5:18:17] aim to tie their officers to want to do it. I agree.

[5:18:45] Another come down to what we want.

[5:18:47] And I briefly touched on in the last meeting.

[5:19:14] How is the sheriff funded? I know it's from

[5:19:16] the journal. Is it from the county general fund? Or is it? I was just looking at it.

[5:19:21] That's something to look into because I had a different county with they had this argument

[5:19:28] with the county where your residents still pay county tax, but unincorporated county

[5:19:34] pays typically for a county municipal services tax that incorporated municipalities don't

[5:19:41] pay.

[5:19:41] Like it's the tax that's supposed to fund municipal type services to unincorporated county

[5:19:45] tax.

[5:19:46] Exactly what they have.

[5:19:47] Yes.

[5:19:47] Yes, so it makes sense that late point residents don't pay that, but you still pay county tax.

[5:19:52] If the sheriff is funded in part with general fund bunnies, to some extent, late point

[5:19:59] residents are still paying for the sheriff.

[5:20:01] Now, there's still services the sheriff must do, like their services and operating a jail

[5:20:06] and all of that stuff, but that's why to your point earlier, why they still provide services

[5:20:11] sometimes, because late point residents are still paying into the county, which helps fund

[5:20:15] the county.

[5:20:16] I'm not sure exactly what pool it comes in.

[5:20:19] That's a little bit too.

[5:20:21] It's a lot of this conversation with Nathan.

[5:20:23] I'll have some edits and discussions about this.

[5:20:26] I just want to make sure I got your concerns, so I can relay them back and start trying to edit

[5:20:30] this down before Thanksgiving.

[5:20:34] So I didn't do longer that one day.

[5:20:36] That's an important thing.

[5:20:38] That spreadsheet that I provided to everybody.

[5:20:59] Thank you.

[5:21:07] I don't have anything else.

[5:21:08] Well,

[5:21:15] our Kathleen, do you have anything for up while

[5:21:22] you're looking can I bring something up so?

[5:21:29] We just got reached out by during this meeting by the

[5:21:40] our engineer that's working with Mike Davie which is the

[5:21:46] H.D. architects, which the church of this entity is building here soon. And they were asking

[5:21:54] if we are asking about our parking lot ordinance. Is that technically in our, should

[5:22:03] it be in their commercials or not? Our standards. It's in our, we have a discussion of

[5:22:08] something that is in their calculations. So when that gets passed, it's going to be basically

[5:22:14] that addresses it. So we don't need to work on a parking lot ordinance. They also brought up some

[5:22:21] other things but I don't think any of them are your questions there. I'll bring it up in my

[5:22:28] I don't know if I

[5:22:31] can do that.

[5:22:31] No, I don't.

[5:22:34] Do we need to be in a dumps of normal regulation?

[5:22:37] I think we did.

[5:22:38] Yes, yes.

[5:22:40] I'll be waiting for us a cyclone review.

[5:22:42] The parking is in the supplemental.

[5:22:45] I think parking is in the supplemental.

[5:22:46] I think parking is in the supplemental.

[5:22:47] It's more of a, now when you do a cyclone,

[5:22:49] we can have them submit the thing that we can then approve.

[5:22:54] But yes, we needed both of those things in place.

[5:22:57] Okay, no, I'll just send the supplemental regulations.

[5:23:04] I just needed to make sure that we didn't need a parking lot board and all this stuff.

[5:23:09] How much?

[5:23:10] Thank you all.

[5:23:23] Dan.

[5:23:24] Um, I'm sure Jerry.

[5:23:27] Unless you guys have a lot more to cover, then I can excuse myself.

[5:23:31] If you can.

[5:23:32] Yeah, we do.

[5:23:32] If you want to go outside, we need to cover this.

[5:23:35] I do want to stay, but I'm just wasting.

[5:23:38] They got big day tomorrow and then I got 40 tomorrow legal is left at 11.24

[5:23:50] PM

[5:23:52] So then you don't have anything. I don't have anything and thank you

[5:23:55] Access points where do you guys want we meet within tomorrow with you not you guys have any preference on where access points are for SR 36 for businesses

[5:24:08] I have one, me and Doyle have like tomorrow and then me and you have one the following

[5:24:13] the different group with UDOT.

[5:24:15] Yeah.

[5:24:15] Is that the one that's coming here?

[5:24:16] Yeah.

[5:24:17] Wasn't there only like one option in addition that we already have?

[5:24:23] So what?

[5:24:24] Because I looked at the things where the line is.

[5:24:27] Those are the agreements and I'll find out what UDOT says exactly when I talk to Chip

[5:24:33] with UDOT he says that he wants to get the word from the municipality so when

[5:24:38] developers come in he knows what the city wants so it's not always just what

[5:24:42] the developer wants. So what Chris has sent us is what has already been

[5:24:47] agreed worked out I don't know if that can be changed we'll find out tomorrow but

[5:24:52] that's what I sent you was what Chris had sent us but UDOT is asking what we want

[5:24:56] at city is my understanding for a meeting tomorrow.

[5:25:01] This is the map of the one Chris sent and there's something on the back.

[5:25:09] I opened that.

[5:25:11] And then my printer is being weird, so I couldn't get then on this.

[5:25:17] This is a lot in between which makes sense to me.

[5:25:21] That makes sense to make our community more connected.

[5:25:24] That's one of the times.

[5:25:26] So, and then on this one that was done in February of 2003 and then again in September of 2008,

[5:25:38] this one, May of 2011, it's the same as the 2003.

[5:25:44] It puts a future on Simmeram way, Earth away.

[5:25:48] Well, those are down there, if AIDS can come back to us.

[5:25:50] Can you wrote in sunset is some future ones that they're looking at that that was done in 2011 proposed

[5:25:59] with the Utah Department with

[5:26:01] I don't know who's this one with with them and

[5:26:04] That was proposed by

[5:26:06] By I think it was by the county

[5:26:10] Which would make for the last two pages

[5:26:14] So yeah, so I'm not exactly sure what

[5:26:20] He just said that that's the conversation that typically they have the municipalities.

[5:26:25] And we need to set that up and he wanted to start the conversation to Doyle and I meet

[5:26:29] with him at 9 a.m. tomorrow.

[5:26:31] So is there something beyond?

[5:26:33] This is as the businesses are being developed here like gas station now and there's a sunset

[5:26:41] goes basically across the road.

[5:26:43] So another access point across from the sunset?

[5:26:46] No, just the light.

[5:26:48] Light?

[5:26:48] a light. I mean as it develops out more that's kind of so whatever's there.

[5:26:54] But this is a future signal. So what about his the specific thing was access points.

[5:26:59] Was access points? Well the access point this one does.

[5:27:02] Is this what you guys are happy with on?

[5:27:05] It's what you have to be a certain distance away.

[5:27:09] And less and less and less and less and less.

[5:27:11] Well, I'm not going to put some like in the middle, but and forget one of these.

[5:27:14] But it just logically makes sense.

[5:27:16] so just continue over.

[5:27:18] Well it's a specific amount of space between one and a half.

[5:27:23] Right, point five is what they told us but-

[5:27:25] Is there-

[5:27:26] Was it a mile?

[5:27:28] Chris said a mile?

[5:27:29] Chris said a mile, sorry.

[5:27:30] Yeah, this one.

[5:27:31] So I'm going with U. Dot and not with every-

[5:27:34] I'm going in kind of like hope in U. Dot will give us other-

[5:27:38] You know, we're getting one person's percent.

[5:27:40] So maybe U. Dot will give us something different.

[5:27:43] So I would like to know they're stopping different.

[5:27:45] I'm just telling you what what we were tasked by the developer I know that like on freeways

[5:27:50] They want them separated by a certain

[5:27:52] Right, okay, but I think we should do all three of those and we're still right we're fine

[5:27:57] We do all three of those in the one-cent set and those other two suggestion are they also talking

[5:28:02] Just vehicular access points where they're talking to the industry and I'll find out they didn't specify I would like to talk to

[5:28:09] Yes, we have this stuff, we can really cool that.

[5:28:11] But at least we want to access point across

[5:28:13] and get over to the Starbucks, for example,

[5:28:15] because one of the walkover, you know,

[5:28:17] it'd be nice to have one, or underneath,

[5:28:19] like they did over in the stands.

[5:28:20] Underneath, probably, it won't work

[5:28:22] because of the, yeah, but, yeah, it's high water.

[5:28:25] I'll show you, yeah.

[5:28:27] Yeah, unless they're good to go.

[5:28:28] It's hard to wear.

[5:28:29] It's just a good one.

[5:28:30] I have brought up the skywalk to everybody with you,

[5:28:33] that will listen to me.

[5:28:36] It's not something nice.

[5:28:37] it sounds in the near future and but I'll keep bringing it up to them. I've had

[5:28:44] three different UDOT people that groups that tried to top two and so. So with

[5:28:49] that also being in connection with the UDOT doing anything with trials along the

[5:28:55] way because I know that they did a long... I am going up to the camera and they are

[5:29:07] So that's why that's why when she was here last week just the guy that were me

[5:29:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know so that's so so when they when they talked about when I

[5:29:22] talked to this gentleman about grants when we talked about trails and going along

[5:29:28] the road to incorporate that into when there's fun if that's something the city

[5:29:33] The best thing we want is to allow us, our grade six, the best time to do it is that we're

[5:29:37] doing that road and so funding would be less expensive to do what are already written things

[5:29:43] apart and we have to go get grants and try to put that in there.

[5:29:46] They're not going to do it but if the city wanted to pay for it, it would probably be cheaper

[5:29:49] to do it while they're doing their construction.

[5:29:52] So if you could do them in tandem and we can tell them our needs and our wants and we can go

[5:29:57] get funding, it would probably be less expensive to do.

[5:30:00] Okay. That big, that big project that the state wants to undertake as far as trails and all the funding that they have. None of them really ran along SR 36. They came around the mountain. I know that that's why I'm trying to point out. Yeah.

[5:30:57] We talked about it in our one meeting, come around, SR201 somehow, because there's no way currently to get from Magnet to here.

[5:31:04] All of the cities almost mentioned that when they said there's an issue.

[5:31:08] So once they get to SR360, they didn't really address how to get over it.

[5:31:13] But yes, that will have to be addressed.

[5:31:15] Because then they know what they want to go down to.

[5:31:19] So it will have to be addressed eventually.

[5:31:22] And hopefully they'll fund that.

[5:31:23] So, so where would you want to be pedestrian access points?

[5:31:31] So,

[5:31:35] somewhere between, you know, I don't know if this is going that or not, but I just printed

[5:31:40] the case, so just for that.

[5:31:42] So, since most of our commercial stuff is like right on what it is in this area, I'm thinking

[5:32:21] there. Well, if it would light the team up, it's light. Well, so this light crossing,

[5:32:28] you know, it's only one half. No, right, so much. So much. So much. So much. So then,

[5:32:32] the definition of the sun sun, just for what? And then we just, he says that sunset,

[5:32:38] it's okay. Is this right? That sunset. Yeah. Sorry, there are just two big details.

[5:32:44] And then another access point would be more so up in this area, because these would be like the

[5:32:53] unions sometimes, the meal, the whole meal, the rule factory or whatever.

[5:32:59] The ruins there, there are some existing trails, just tying something in and of that area too.

[5:33:05] So a couple of places for pedestrians to cross.

[5:33:09] And if they go off by where that Adobe Rock is,

[5:33:13] We're close by and they're already up elevated, so then they just continue out of them, and it just goes down.

[5:33:21] Do you have any, you may have any extra suggestions of access point versus what he has here?

[5:33:27] This is halfway between Sonsan and Canyon, halfway here.

[5:33:32] Quarter preservation agreement to amend a desired new intersection.

[5:33:40] Yeah, I printed off the picture of Chris's one, and what he wants, he owns it.

[5:33:52] That's what I want to go in with what we want.

[5:33:58] This is the whole point of this minute.

[5:34:04] Okay, let's not say it's a light. It's an access point doesn't have to be a light.

[5:34:09] It just has to be an access point into it, right?

[5:34:12] Sure they know that you don't have a light.

[5:34:13] Okay, but we can let them know whatever I would just like to have some feedback to what you guys want to see.

[5:34:18] You know, is this necessarily I'm just printing what they he has but if they're just asking us purely an access point and that doesn't necessarily have to be light.

[5:34:27] I don't know if that necessarily is why I just tried to make it so that we can connect the city right to over here over there

[5:34:34] Right so we're and even the same thing like if we built this all up in front and true

[5:34:39] Would you want to have another access point in here? I don't

[5:34:48] You know, so we are one time talked about them.

[5:35:00] Yeah

[5:35:01] That's something that does, but if we're just thinking purely just thought process of access points, which I think that's the main focus of where along S-I-36 would we want another access point into our city on either side.

[5:35:18] So on this one, in particular, access points fly over with, we don't need to go both directions.

[5:35:32] So that you could get a seat with a flyover.

[5:35:39] So yeah, I would love to fly over.

[5:35:41] I don't see that happening too much now.

[5:35:42] But if we had like the friendly drills and we can come in here.

[5:35:46] I know, like if we came off S-R-36 into the friend drill,

[5:35:49] so you'd have access up here on Canyon.

[5:35:51] You'd have access up here on Sunset.

[5:35:54] And you could have access maybe possibly in the middle

[5:35:56] to connect to that furniture, would that be a ben, you know what I'm saying?

[5:36:00] Not necessarily light, but the natural.

[5:36:04] Or without put too much interruption in between that flow, to put a road there.

[5:36:10] I don't know, I don't know, construction room 19.

[5:36:14] They don't know.

[5:36:17] They don't like that at the point.

[5:36:19] That's why they're very limited on that one.

[5:36:22] That's what I'm referring to.

[5:36:26] But if it's a flyover, then that access point is not so bad, because it's not stopping the track aircraft there trying to, so they're going to add that lane that went to three to three that lane all the way down to here, right?

[5:36:42] the next project and then they're going to do a couple of years later or that's just one more year ago.

[5:36:50] The ones that goes all the way down from standardization.

[5:36:55] Yeah, it's due to awards.

[5:36:56] Probably.

[5:36:58] But see, like, if you're putting something here, it's an access point.

[5:37:01] They wouldn't want another at the same level.

[5:37:05] It would be a flyover, but they could exit when they could enter back in Los Angeles.

[5:37:10] Okay, so round this over, but we want to fly over around here, so I know that's, uh,

[5:37:20] five drinks.

[5:37:21] Well, we can always ask, you know, so I know you have, so I, I, something into this area,

[5:37:29] I mean, because of the amount of volume of traffic on that road, they might be really successful.

[5:37:37] So that's what they've been doing on Bangerter because of so I mean it is a possibility

[5:37:45] that complex it's just we're not high priority and to look at it.

[5:37:49] Well the response I got is it took 25 years to get to

[5:37:57] do it.

[5:38:00] Yeah the government has put the money that's what goes to the money will be only get it for

[5:38:06] this kind.

[5:38:06] I mean something here, very, I think something here is very beneficial for this,

[5:38:09] like, so when they do develop along here, the sheer people being across here are like helping us.

[5:38:17] Yeah, they have purpose there to be dealt here in the food.

[5:38:21] Was this when I used to eat it right now, so you could do that safely, sorry, and again,

[5:38:27] basically, for some reason, I think the city could change also.

[5:38:30] And that the more people, well, it's the right way.

[5:38:32] Yeah, you can, except for position.

[5:38:36] or flight one. Okay, but the light too.

[5:38:39] Like there's a sensor. No, no. They won't do it like there's that too close.

[5:38:45] This is a sensor. Wait, that one is a sensor, sorry. I was thinking this was okay.

[5:38:49] Yeah, they won't do it anymore. That's very nice.

[5:38:55] Yeah. We're saying that it's too close, but see what they just did with the

[5:39:00] but it stands very parkway like they just put in and how close that is to Polkanon line.

[5:39:11] Oh, the one that used to be a straight arrow that Alice makes you stop for no reason?

[5:39:17] So, you know, we're getting on rules.

[5:39:21] That is true.

[5:39:23] That is true.

[5:39:24] We'll be interesting to see how that meaning goes tomorrow.

[5:39:26] And then Ryan and I have one about expressway the following Wednesday Wednesday. Yeah, so all right, so that's I just want to make sure you guys have to be back before that

[5:39:57] Thank you. All right.

[5:40:05] Yeah. Well, they like I told you they're all over Europe

[5:40:12] All right, so we'll do that.

[5:40:14] Well, they're up to, yeah, I know that, I know that, I know that we need to talk about a historical committee, we need to talk about grant committee, or just hire a grant person, we need to decide what we're doing, but we can talk about that later.

[5:40:41] on the other thing real quick was, I did the access point.

[5:40:45] Essentially, you guys email about emergency training.

[5:40:48] They send it, they reach out together

[5:40:49] while they're using their mock training.

[5:40:52] So they can both stay to see them

[5:40:53] in one of the centers.

[5:40:55] They're willing to do it in the evening.

[5:40:56] They'll try to keep it to one hour, maybe now and a half.

[5:40:59] So I know that the chef did this bad for me, but...

[5:41:04] Yes, it doesn't work.

[5:41:06] Yeah.

[5:41:06] We have a scheduled meeting on the fifth,

[5:41:10] That's all right? December 5th?

[5:41:11] Oh, yeah.

[5:41:12] There you have your canvas.

[5:41:13] Yeah.

[5:41:14] It won't be very long, but we do have a schedule.

[5:41:16] And the counties need that day.

[5:41:18] So I wanted to go to Cali, and I have something to call you.

[5:41:20] So I did this back.

[5:41:21] Shh.

[5:41:22] Forget about the campus meeting.

[5:41:23] Can we rest the canvas?

[5:41:24] You just read it, and then we say, yeah, and vote for her?

[5:41:27] Yeah, sure.

[5:41:28] It doesn't even matter.

[5:41:29] You can have two.

[5:41:30] As long as I have a core here, but it's our first canvas.

[5:41:33] So I don't know if you're going to get sentimental.

[5:41:35] But I do need a lot of this.

[5:41:38] I got a call for you.

[5:41:39] Break that idea and then I'll try.

[5:41:42] You put it in my eye.

[5:41:44] Oh, shoot.

[5:41:46] Yeah.

[5:41:47] Well, we didn't schedule with them.

[5:41:48] So that's why we didn't schedule with the fire spot parks here on the fence.

[5:41:52] Yeah.

[5:41:53] That's fine.

[5:41:54] We could do it outside.

[5:41:54] Yeah.

[5:41:55] Okay.

[5:41:56] I mean, it's normally high.

[5:41:57] We can take 15 minutes.

[5:41:58] Yeah.

[5:41:58] You can come enjoy a bunch of your hearing.

[5:42:01] And how we set a specific time.

[5:42:04] Oh, yeah.

[5:42:04] I don't think a specific time was set.

[5:42:07] No, I don't think so.

[5:42:07] I don't think so.

[5:42:08] that day right? I haven't posted it yet. You don't meet till seven so we can just say yeah

[5:42:13] yeah just do six of them. What time's the county meeting me? I don't know. Because that's when

[5:42:17] they're voting on the ILA's. Someone needs to be there. If usually they start at seven. Usually right?

[5:42:25] Yeah I don't think they're six. I don't think they've ever won anything. They have their pre meetings.

[5:42:29] Yeah they have their pre meetings before that. So that matters. Okay so that's all I got.

[5:42:39] That's all you

[5:42:40] Okay.

[5:42:42] Oh, I've had a request for speed limit signs on foothills. There are none. And now that the road connects to like point high to all those areas, it's my understanding from the residents there that people are flying up and down foothill, but there's zero speed limit signs over there. So they're requesting to get some.

[5:43:03] put up. What was that? Yeah, I wanted to talk where they can come off the. I

[5:43:11] don't know. And out of the hype. I brought this up during. Yes, I talked to

[5:43:16] the county about this a year or two years ago. And my input was we should know

[5:43:21] it's 25. Going into residential. I go it's 40 on that.

[5:43:25] No, that's the concern they come off. It's 40 and it doesn't matter. Exactly. Yeah.

[5:43:29] Yeah, so yeah, so if you can work that out with is that hybrid I would like

[5:43:52] to see go down from 40 at the 40s way too high for that area

[5:43:56] Yeah, I'm surprised. Yeah, I brought that up to the what's what so we can figure that out to help them

[5:44:02] It's also a highly-used road to get all the side-by-side ATVs and everything at high speed up to the trails.

[5:44:11] So, if we can mark it for you.

[5:44:20] I'm not sure.

[5:44:29] The only other thing I have is the eye of the schedule of the tour.

[5:44:33] The head of the schedule of the tour.

[5:44:36] Because it's a holiday, there's a lot of around the office.

[5:44:40] 10 a.m. on Saturday, the December 2nd.

[5:44:43] I said, well, we can't have everyone there, and they said, well, that's all we can do.

[5:44:47] So do we have enough to go that it makes it worth a while?

[5:44:51] Or should I tell everyone we have to wait till the new year?

[5:44:57] I think it's going to work, right?

[5:44:58] Yeah, I work on Saturdays.

[5:45:05] I can make it. I want to check with Dan. He told me to text him once I found out. So did you say 10? 10 a.m. You know, can you? I should be going. If you want me, I should feel that I do. I just never know when I'm invited.

[5:45:30] I was going to say it would be nice to invite Jamie and Jamie as well.

[5:45:45] The last time I saw that building, I went in and saw it as a residence.

[5:45:53] They converted it to a residence for a period of time.

[5:45:59] I saw it then.

[5:46:20] I remember the old church, I just don't remember much about the residential, what they

[5:46:30] That's all you have. The only thing that I have is on the, like it's something that you know

[5:46:37] while I was in here,

[5:46:41] the architecture class. And they, they, they're understanding that

[5:46:49] there's a lot of community and sanders. And so they talk to, uh, John, the new map, you know,

[5:46:57] review the sunset road detention requirements. He gave us some opinions on how we should probably

[5:47:02] proceed but couldn't give us any definitive answers without ordinances in place. So this is

[5:47:07] what they say there will be planning on and I think we need to make mention of it because I

[5:47:13] not set this. They said concrete sidewalk and I had said asphalt if we were doing a trail.

[5:47:21] Back of sidewalk on right away line, drainage swell from front of sidewalk to

[5:47:26] existing edge of some step road. So that sounds the swell part sounds right. The

[5:47:36] two H1V Maxwell's look three to four inches crushed rock on fabric 18-inch

[5:47:41] minimum RCP culverts. Was that big enough? Right? Yeah, 18-inch, yeah. 18-inch should be

[5:47:48] And then a new asphalt driveway from sidewalk to existing edge of asphalt.

[5:47:56] And then stormwater detention, they say new underground storm tech retention or detention system at the low point.

[5:48:05] So they, even though I suggested the northeast, it's a northwest corner of the property.

[5:48:12] If soil conditions allow it, we'll design a retention system.

[5:48:16] I don't think it will because it's so much water there.

[5:48:21] People have artesian wells around that area, that's why.

[5:48:27] Yeah, putting it on the north east would allow us to outflow into the normal storm flow

[5:48:38] system there.

[5:48:39] That's why I suggested it before, but they said, if soil conditions allow we will design

[5:48:45] a retention system, or a detention system that will discharge to the existing drainage

[5:48:50] swell along Sad about. We'll have our other north-west corner of the church site. I still think

[5:48:56] it's north. It wouldn't be that hard to slope to the northeast with their... No, it's fairly flat.

[5:49:05] Yeah. And then he asks questions. Church has prepared fence of this six-foot tall chain link fence with

[5:49:12] black vinyl coating on the fence fabric and black cloths and rails. I think that's fine.

[5:49:18] But he says is this approval for the east west and north side of the church property?

[5:49:24] They don't want to have a fence. That fence along the frontage of Sunset Road, but they

[5:49:31] suggested that probably do it to rail fencing along the sunset road furnished to prevent

[5:49:42] I don't know if a lot of livestock there?

[5:49:44] Of course it is.

[5:49:45] You just never know.

[5:49:47] I don't know.

[5:49:48] Across the street is behind.

[5:49:49] Yeah, I know.

[5:49:50] That's what I'm not thinking to be.

[5:49:52] I think the ones up and down like here that might wander up.

[5:49:55] You know what I mean?

[5:49:56] I don't...

[5:49:57] Probably not, but...

[5:49:59] It looks good on the other church.

[5:50:02] Yeah, it gives a real look.

[5:50:04] It gives the character.

[5:50:05] Yeah.

[5:50:06] So it's a...

[5:50:06] Yeah, that would be good.

[5:50:07] good. Yeah. I would like to see some type of potential on the front. Okay. The

[5:50:13] supplemental regulations are close to being finalized. They are finalized. I can

[5:50:17] send those to them and let you know that the parking and landscaping standards

[5:50:21] will be for the church side. They're in there. But we should be good on that. And

[5:50:26] when should we plan to submit for and receive the required site plan approval.

[5:50:36] And

[5:50:37] There, there, we will be completing our plans next week so we can go out to be a construction is scheduled to start as soon as whether it allows.

[5:50:46] Yeah, probably in the early spring of 2024.

[5:50:51] Well, soon as we can get this site plan, we'll need a better period.

[5:50:54] But we can send them all this supplement and all everything else.

[5:50:56] Yeah, I can send them everything else. I'll send them everything else.

[5:51:00] Yeah.

[5:51:00] Yeah, the first part is still concerning.

[5:51:02] What about the concrete cymbal?

[5:51:04] That really can take some time back.

[5:51:06] I thought we were doing that.

[5:51:08] Yeah, I mentioned that we should be doing asphalt when I sell enough to them.

[5:51:12] Do you want that even after Rob's explanation?

[5:51:14] I think leaving things natural packed first is maintained.

[5:51:19] Because we take away the liability.

[5:51:21] We can put up the sign, right?

[5:51:22] But there's no expectation it's going to be plowed.

[5:51:26] It gives more approval.

[5:51:27] look. You've seen all the comments, people like the natural trails. They do. I just, the

[5:51:33] weeds is what's going to be a pain to keep them off. But I guess that would be the church

[5:51:37] that's, well, I don't know what that means.

[5:51:41] I just, a couple of things about the way about

[5:51:43] sidewalks as a whole, you know, is the cost. The cost becomes a city's after the bill.

[5:51:48] The maintenance and all the upkeep and all the replacement. So that's a huge impact. Where will

[5:51:53] it go without the other people putting sidewalks on the backside? No, it's not going anywhere.

[5:51:57] So it's right now all of that all of that subdivision has a sidewalk across the street. Yeah, go to church

[5:52:05] Yeah, they will have one having it in the front would be a good area for it to be on sunset

[5:52:11] Is there any concern though with doing the shoulder trail with the swell?

[5:52:16] Like up in my area and other areas

[5:52:19] I

[5:52:22] need to call them and have to see the area we're talking about.

[5:52:36] I guess...

[5:52:37] Ryan, you were talking about a soil there, but there's a mountain.

[5:52:42] It doesn't exist on some site.

[5:52:44] There is no...

[5:52:46] So it could be a soil that goes to nowhere?

[5:52:49] Well, they talked about the soil going...

[5:52:50] I thought it was just part of it.

[5:52:52] I mentioned that they could take it and send it to the other...

[5:52:58] Where they now goes underneath the road, yes, they go over there. That's why we're kind of suggesting that it goes well, have it go

[5:53:07] Naturally flow to the east

[5:53:09] So they do something for drain engines. They should send it this way and then run off that

[5:53:15] And then it goes on

[5:53:18] That's what I guess and they're doing as well to get up to these giant

[5:53:23] That's what we suggested. That's what I said. That's what I'm meaning. It seems like they would do in there with a

[5:53:31] trail next to it. Yeah, but they were saying

[5:53:34] This is all concrete here. There's sidewalks all the way along here, so

[5:53:39] There is a name this side. So never there's not yeah, yeah, and there will never be

[5:53:45] These are all gonna go nowhere. I mean

[5:53:47] Well, this is this is a sure this is the giant trail here. That's on that true

[5:53:52] This is where the gentleman was mentioning right here on the actual

[5:53:57] asphalt and concrete or high cost of maintenance, but bears on the city.

[5:54:04] If that's what we want, that's fine.

[5:54:08] I think that the other ones are just as good as the maintenance on them.

[5:54:14] I've watched the line finds into so well.

[5:54:18] The wings that come up from the line finds.

[5:54:22] I don't have any weeds in my line of funds.

[5:54:25] I've been here eight years now.

[5:54:27] But it was built by Broken Arrow.

[5:54:28] And you have to have certain thickness, certain width.

[5:54:31] And it has to keep.

[5:54:32] What about horses?

[5:54:33] Because the horses can't go on the asphalt can they?

[5:54:36] No.

[5:54:37] It's not safe, right?

[5:54:40] Well, across the street you have that trail that you said,

[5:54:43] in the line of funds, right?

[5:54:45] I did ride on the road.

[5:54:46] I don't know if it was a long time.

[5:54:48] We just heard a lot of complaints on Facebook about

[5:54:50] but don't make our trails asphalt make them nice.

[5:54:53] I don't know if you've seen, yeah, if there's been comments about them.

[5:54:55] Yeah, so I, it's on this world, okay, maintaining them, that would be the only, I prefer not to

[5:55:02] concrete, but if the asphalt, just sinking, is this just in front of the church or behind it?

[5:55:10] Both.

[5:55:11] Oh, behind makes no sense because it goes to nowhere.

[5:55:14] Yeah, the night.

[5:55:15] We guys, these guys aren't going to build one on their residential bit side, I'll come

[5:55:19] the back so that's going to go all on out. So they're going to put one just just their

[5:55:22] property not in the bullet. Yeah, not probably not. So that's why making that

[5:55:27] natural because we're like we're going to continue. Yeah, I know it's not there. So that's just going

[5:55:30] to be this like we're we'll continue a natural show if we have to sidewalk all that

[5:55:35] that's wow. Just trying to right then asphalt which would, you know,

[5:55:40] automatically would that be better, you know, line finds you think would be

[5:55:44] I don't know on the back. Can we have one different like line lines on the back and ask all on the front?

[5:55:51] I thought I had a lot of me this costume. Are they still putting a gate to the back?

[5:56:00] You could tear out one. I think that's the whole reason why it's a sound cost of just a gate.

[5:56:08] Any kind of cross law because you're going to have to keep coming on.

[5:56:11] If they do that.

[5:56:12] No, I don't want to put a cross law.

[5:56:14] These residents want to always feel it.

[5:56:15] So there's nothing there to, yeah.

[5:56:18] Without as a connector.

[5:56:19] So that's why I figured that since we're going to have some commercial businesses probably

[5:56:24] buy the stuff that isn't right.

[5:56:27] Down the back end.

[5:56:30] Because this is on the here.

[5:56:31] That's zone commercial neighborhood right there.

[5:56:34] The church is here.

[5:56:36] This is our second one that would have to go.

[5:56:37] Yeah, but we think since we just need to get a grant to get some funding to pay for

[5:56:42] The walkway there on both sides of that mean

[5:56:46] But if the church is going to take care of the back end of it only a second

[5:56:49] Why not? Yeah, it's less money. We have to fork out later

[5:56:53] Right. No, I'm saying don't have the sidewalk because we're not

[5:56:57] If we to continue sidewalk on that area that's going to cost us

[5:56:59] I never told them sidewalk yeah, no they're saying

[5:57:04] Yeah, we're just we're just discussing which is better asphalt or

[5:57:10] When it comes up I'm gonna

[5:57:20] Yeah, we're just gonna have to hire some to plow it

[5:57:29] Anything else

[5:57:43] All

[5:57:49] the details on that, but what I tried to do at

[5:58:06] our legal and what I've done is

[5:58:09] have laid on a few of those like Rob's cost for the last couple of months we haven't

[5:58:18] got that yet.

[5:58:34] Let's trust

[5:58:39] consultants that has a fixed cost, so you have to look at my equation as you

[5:58:47] under staff we got Jamie

[5:58:59] 7000 actually

[5:59:28] what we have for

[5:59:32] sales the

[5:59:37] sales for

[5:59:37] 2000 and 24 would be or

[5:59:42] 565,000 and our property tax is for

[5:59:56] So that doesn't leave us too much.

[5:59:59] Right.

[6:00:00] So we just need to figure out how to decrease our costs. And it has to go across the board. We have to look at everything.

[6:00:11] But we need to be creative on our shares. If that means maybe potentially going into an agreement with Urna. And a Marshall,

[6:00:27] Mr. Skiz with Urna, I mean, grants bill are

[6:00:35] policing.

[6:00:41] It's over 50% increase from this year's next.

[6:00:46] Yeah, I do.

[6:00:54] There's around

[6:01:03] 50,000.

[6:01:27] What we do.

[6:01:33] Okay. That's my soap box. Is it

[6:01:36] got soil? No, just take a look at it. If you got some times in the next few days you

[6:01:42] got questions, let me know. Okay. See,

[6:01:49] I'm trying to get back to something

[6:02:17] that we could

[6:02:17] potentially envision as a city hall so okay listen

[6:02:32] on that twice because

[6:02:38] he was twice

[6:02:40] well I don't think I'm too I don't know if

[6:02:49] you get a chance to talk to or to find out how they come

[6:02:52] up with their equations.

[6:02:57] Item number 12 is a adjournment. I mean I'd rather public.

[6:03:04] Yep, they're marked, glad, finally.

[6:03:09] At 1203 clean,

[6:03:12] I think I'd be okay with going on.

[6:03:16] Alright, you're filling up too?

[6:03:18] Yep, now be good.

[6:03:19] Do you want to get here a couple of minutes early and then we'll make sure we're on the

[6:03:22] same page?

[6:03:23] Yeah.

[6:03:24] Okay.

[6:03:25] Alright, about 845 or 830.

[6:03:29] Okay.

[6:03:30] I'll see you in the next one.

Lake Point City Council Special Business Meeting

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