[0:00] had the moment of silence today.

[0:06] » Australia.

[0:10] » Oh no, no, no, no. Priscilla, Queen of

[0:12] the Desert. Madame Mayor, it is 606 and

[0:15] we are live.

[0:17] >> Good evening.

[0:19] Welcome everybody to the Tuesday, July

[0:22] 28th, 2026 regular city commission

[0:25] meeting of Lakew Worth Beach. May I have

[0:28] the roll call, please? Mayor Betty Rash

[0:30] >> here.

[0:31] >> Vice Mayor Mimi May

[0:33] >> present.

[0:34] >> Commissioner Sarah Maliga

[0:37] >> present.

[0:38] >> Commissioner Christopher McVoy

[0:40] >> here. Been a long weekend.

[0:42] >> Commissioner Anthony Seg

[0:44] >> present.

[0:45] >> Thank you very much. Okay, Mr. Segridge

[0:47] will lead us in a moment of silence or

[0:50] something and uh Commissioner McCoy will

[0:52] lead the pledge.

[0:55] >> Think of a name.

[0:58] Just wanted to take a moment to reflect

[0:59] on the the things that make us a

[1:02] community versus the things that we

[1:04] disagree about. As we we go through this

[1:07] journey together, you know, we make a

[1:09] lot of tough decisions and we may not

[1:10] always agree, but we should always come

[1:12] together as a community and work towards

[1:14] the betterment of our city. Thank you.

[1:38] Are there any additions, deletions, or

[1:40] reordering? Mr. No, M Miss Ms. Malega.

[1:43] >> Yes, ma'am. Um, thank you. I would um

[1:46] like to ask my fellow colleagues for

[1:49] permission to read aloud um a poem

[1:53] written by our own Miss Cindy Anel to

[1:55] Chris Hannah. Yes.

[1:56] >> Um I had asked for permission and she

[1:58] said yes and I just wanted to see if I

[2:00] could get consensus to do that tonight.

[2:02] >> When your comments or before?

[2:04] >> No, before.

[2:05] >> Okay.

[2:05] >> Like before the presentations.

[2:07] >> Any problems with that? Anybody?

[2:08] >> No.

[2:09] >> Okay.

[2:13] » She did. I did respond to her and tell

[2:15] her yes, she could let him know that I

[2:17] was going to read it. But it was more

[2:18] for I just thought that it was

[2:21] >> it was sweet and kind and it kind of put

[2:23] Chris I mean we can redo it again on

[2:25] August 4th or if you want me to wait

[2:27] till then

[2:28] >> to have him here.

[2:29] >> Do it on August 4th.

[2:30] >> Yeah, he's going to be here. I mean do

[2:31] it twice. What the heck? Do it twice.

[2:33] Yeah. What the How long does it take?

[2:35] It's not an epic. It's not the Odyssey.

[2:37] It is epic.

[2:39] >> Yeah.

[2:41] So I just want a consensus to do that.

[2:43] >> Okay. And then um I have news that Miss

[2:46] Baker is not up feeling very well. So

[2:50] she's not going to give the water

[2:51] utility update, but she will be

[2:52] available for when we have isish items

[2:54] that do touch on the water utility.

[2:57] >> So do we want to move her her items up?

[3:00] >> Yes.

[3:00] >> So that she can log off.

[3:01] >> We'd love to do that.

[3:02] >> Would that work for you, Miss Baker?

[3:06] >> That would be wonderful. Thank you so

[3:08] much.

[3:08] >> Thank you very much. Okay. Okay, which

[3:10] ones are

[3:11] >> is

[3:12] >> so the only item that would need to be

[3:15] moved off of everything else is on

[3:17] consent new business item B if we wanted

[3:20] to reorder that to immediately follow

[3:21] the consent agenda.

[3:23] >> That's the change order one. New

[3:24] business B. Yeah.

[3:25] >> Yes. That's the only item that's not a

[3:27] consent item that she has this evening.

[3:29] >> So why don't why don't we just do that?

[3:31] Yeah. Before we do the

[3:34] >> storm fund is her too, isn't it?

[3:36] >> No.

[3:36] That's a rate. Oh, storm fund rates

[3:38] of I'm sorry.

[3:39] >> Yeah, that's electric.

[3:41] >> So, we'll do it after the consent

[3:42] agenda.

[3:43] >> Everybody okay with that?

[3:44] >> Yes.

[3:45] >> Okay, great. Thank you very much.

[3:47] >> You want me to read

[3:50] before the utility updates or after?

[3:53] >> Um,

[3:56] well, let's do it before we get started

[3:57] and then we Okay, but we'll you'll do it

[3:59] again on the fourth when he's here.

[4:02] >> Double poetry.

[4:08] Motion to approve as Motion to approve

[4:10] as amended.

[4:11] >> Thank you. Thank you very much. Um all

[4:15] in favor.

[4:16] >> I

[4:18] um

[4:20] Okay.

[4:22] So

[4:26] you ma'am, why don't you miss Millig

[4:29] read the poem now?

[4:30] >> Okay.

[4:30] >> And then we'll do the updates. So, this

[4:32] was written um from our own Cindy Anel,

[4:35] the librarian to Chris Hannah, and I

[4:38] believe that he is our parks supervisor

[4:41] title.

[4:42] >> And it's printed on this really cute

[4:44] paper. Thank you, Shona, for doing that.

[4:47] My kindness call goes to our colleague

[4:49] Chris Hannah in the library's book, He's

[4:51] the Top Banana. When I ask him for help,

[4:54] he always says yes and works hard to

[4:56] make our events a success. My partner in

[4:59] all of the management trainings, his

[5:01] insights right on, his stories

[5:03] entertaining. Chris keeps the lights on

[5:05] in Lakew Worth Parks. Without him, our

[5:08] players would be in the dark. Clean and

[5:10] green is his model for playground and

[5:12] spaces. His efforts put smiles on the

[5:14] residents faces. Playground equipment

[5:17] and pickle ball courts. There's

[5:18] bathrooms and snack bars and fences

[5:20] galore. Let's give three cheers for

[5:22] Chris and a loud proclamation. Just

[5:24] listing his job makes me want a

[5:26] vacation. So take a break. So take a

[5:29] break, Chris. Relax. Put up your feet.

[5:32] After all, this is leisure services

[5:34] meetup.

[5:35] >> Oh, very nice. She And listen, Cindy is

[5:40] a remarkable person. And we are so sad

[5:43] that she's leaving, but happy for her in

[5:44] her life that she's got a new chapter.

[5:47] >> And the story behind that is kind of

[5:48] cool.

[5:49] like that they got the

[5:52] >> no the employees um if somebody did

[5:54] something um above and beyond for you, kind of give them a little something

[5:59] and honor them in some way. And that was

[6:01] the way she honored him and I thought

[6:02] that was great.

[6:03] >> He's great.

[6:04] >> Doesn't work either.

[6:04] >> Okay. Thank you. So,

[6:06] >> thank you.

[6:07] >> Try to indulge everyone.

[6:09] >> Um Okay. So, now we have the electric

[6:13] utility.

[6:14] >> No, water utility.

[6:15] >> Well, we're not having a water utility

[6:17] update. We just said pay attention Mr.

[6:19] McCoy.

[6:20] >> Oh, we're not doing that.

[6:21] >> No, she's not well. So, she's not going

[6:23] to give an update, but she's going to

[6:24] just say for her one item.

[6:26] >> Oh, okay. I didn't realize

[6:28] you were paying attention.

[6:30] >> Well, I do the moving of the item. I

[6:32] thought

[6:32] >> whatever. Yeah. So, we're we're going to

[6:35] be to the electric utility to Mr.

[6:39] Liberty and his amazing iguana.

[6:42] >> Yes,

[6:44] there's a story to that. you know.

[6:46] >> So, good evening, madame mayor and vice

[6:48] mayor, commissioners. Uh, for the record

[6:50] at Liberty with the electric utility.

[6:52] Um,

[6:53] >> thank you first of all for mayor and

[6:55] vice mayor for attending the uh FMEA

[6:58] annual meeting. Uh, and the attending

[7:01] portion of the conference and uh being

[7:02] there for the change of command ball or

[7:04] watch or

[7:05] >> the passing of the torch

[7:06] >> passing of the torch and we'll get to

[7:08] that in a few minutes. So, this was one

[7:09] of the items that uh during the annual

[7:12] awards they um they presented me with.

[7:15] It's an iguana and I I've suggested that

[7:18] we add a a a little count of McCorbick's

[7:20] uh curry and old fay

[7:24] >> as a suggest idea

[7:26] >> u me tenderizing for what might be

[7:28] coming. Um we'll come back to that in a

[7:31] second. First of all, I want to go ahead

[7:32] and recognize some important people uh

[7:34] some things that have taken place since

[7:36] we last met. Uh the first one of which

[7:38] is that uh one of our members of our

[7:41] current uh apprentice class has

[7:44] graduated to full-blown lineman.

[7:47] >> Great.

[7:47] >> He happens to be here today. Peter

[7:49] Vigani in the back.

[7:51] >> Mr. Vani.

[7:54] » Welcome aboard to the best electric

[7:56] company in Florida.

[7:58] >> And he's helping us get there. So, I'll

[8:00] point out that I believe he actually

[8:01] started in the garage, then went to the

[8:03] water department, and then when the

[8:04] apprentice program opened up, he joined

[8:06] us on the electric side. So, fabulous.

[8:08] We're glad to have him aboard.

[8:09] >> That's really wonderful. Thank you.

[8:10] >> Congratulations.

[8:11] >> Uh the rest continue to progress the

[8:13] ranks. Uh one of them, of course, is is

[8:16] recovering from his injuries.

[8:17] >> How is he doing?

[8:18] >> He continues to improve. I can't get

[8:20] into personal medical personal medical

[8:22] information here

[8:23] >> wherever actually, but he is home and he

[8:26] continues to improve. Uh the crews keep

[8:28] up with them. management keeps up with

[8:30] them.

[8:31] >> We're looking forward to having him back

[8:32] and resuming in the program.

[8:34] >> All right, great. Thank you.

[8:35] >> Next thing I'd like to do, uh, I'm not a

[8:37] union official, but I do want to

[8:38] recognize that we have three individuals

[8:40] that were elected by their peers to lead

[8:42] the local shop, and I'll announce who

[8:45] they are. Two of which are here today.

[8:46] Peter Vigani just made linement. He's

[8:48] been elected chief union steward is my

[8:50] understanding.

[8:51] >> Uh, Repa, he's been elected the electric

[8:54] shop steward. And I don't believe James

[8:57] is here, but uh James Fina was elected

[8:59] the uh water uh shop steward. So

[9:02] congratulations to them.

[9:03] >> Congratulations.

[9:07] » So we'll look forward to working with

[9:09] the new leadership of our newly

[9:11] established group. They were reertified.

[9:13] They're now uh union local 728 under the

[9:16] IBW and uh have a strong membership I

[9:19] understand. And so we've started

[9:21] negotiations with them which you're

[9:22] aware of and

[9:23] >> they'll be reasonable.

[9:25] >> We're

[9:26] I think we we've we've done a lot of

[9:28] work to to build a relationship and we

[9:30] look forward to a mutually agreeable

[9:32] negotiation.

[9:33] >> Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. And thank

[9:35] you. Welcome. Congratulations.

[9:38] >> At a high level, we'll talk about how

[9:39] we're doing on uh system performance. Uh

[9:43] interesting. In July, I I think vice

[9:46] mayor was saying, "Why is it so hot? My

[9:47] electric bills are very hot." So July

[9:49] was 5% above um in terms of electric

[9:53] sales so far. We've got a couple more

[9:55] days here to go, but we're running a

[9:57] little over 5% actually 5.76%.

[10:01] Uh higher than last year, but degree

[10:02] days are up uh over 9% year-over-year.

[10:06] >> So just just for the month of July, July

[10:08] is running 9 plus% hotter than than the

[10:11] prior July.

[10:13] Year to date, our electric sales

[10:14] continue to run well above our plan. Uh

[10:17] they're running at 3.5 plus% and um at

[10:21] no sign of abatement. So again, we plan

[10:24] around 75% growth when we do our rate

[10:27] setting. So this is going to show up as

[10:30] greater revenues, greater margin growth,

[10:32] greater fund growth because our sales

[10:35] are running ahead of plan. Uh degree

[10:37] days for the year are up by a little

[10:39] over 5%. So over 9% just for the month

[10:42] of July, 5% year-to- date. So that's

[10:44] driving the growth. Of course, you

[10:46] always have to be prepared for the when

[10:47] the year when you don't grow. And we're

[10:48] not saying that we'd like to see degree

[10:50] days grow every year. uh we'd rather

[10:52] just see electric sales grow, but not

[10:54] necessarily degree days. So, we're doing

[10:56] well in that regard. Going back to the

[10:58] FMEA annual meeting, uh we did get

[11:01] recognized for uh some things that we

[11:04] achieved as a group and I brought these

[11:06] things with me today. You can take a

[11:07] look at them later. Uh we don't want to

[11:09] drop one, but um the first award that we

[11:12] got was the outage duration

[11:15] reduction award. What does that mean? So

[11:17] each year we strive to have our system

[11:20] average interruption duration index,

[11:22] what we call sadi, which is average time

[11:24] that we interrupt customers on our

[11:26] system. The goal is to be well below 60

[11:28] minutes. Last year we hit um 48.9

[11:34] minutes was the the average. This year

[11:36] we reduced by more than 10%. We got down

[11:39] to 39.6

[11:41] minutes uh for calendar year 25. So we

[11:44] got an award for that. We get the

[11:46] duration award. Congratulations to the

[11:48] team. It's not mine. The team did this.

[11:51] >> It's the team.

[11:52] >> Um, and at the same time, we got the

[11:54] endurance awards. We got duration and

[11:56] endurance. I'm told those are really

[11:57] good things. So, we got it for being

[12:00] below the 60 minute mark for two years

[12:02] in a row, which is difficult to do. We

[12:04] two years below that and more than a 10%

[12:07] decrease. So, that's really really good.

[12:09] So, that's great. System is doing well.

[12:12] Thank you for your continued support.

[12:14] Uh, I also received this award. It's

[12:16] actually just a wall plaque. I think

[12:17] everybody gets one of these when you go through the presidency of

[12:20] the group. I mentioned it been I think

[12:21] it's been since 1984 since somebody from

[12:24] Lakew Worth Beach was able to sit in

[12:25] that in that chair. Uh I noted that when you get elected to the position,

[12:30] the gavl is not screwed down to the

[12:32] plaque, but when you leave, they screw

[12:35] it down so you can't use it anymore. I

[12:36] told [laughter]

[12:38] >> if I if I ever did. Exactly. So these

[12:41] things will be on the wall at the 1900

[12:43] building and then eventually in a new

[12:45] display case uh where we'll keep all

[12:47] awards that we get whether it's lineman

[12:49] awards any kind of awards that we get

[12:50] we'll keep them there instead of taking

[12:53] them home. Um next thing to mention is

[12:57] the uh we kicked off our artificial

[12:59] intelligence uh workshops internal to

[13:01] the department. We've had 15 to 20

[13:03] people in the room. uh they've been

[13:05] engaging active long and uh so far we've

[13:08] got a little over 15 or so potential

[13:11] opportunities that'll be boiled down a

[13:13] little further. Um we have to be

[13:15] cautious not to think that artificial

[13:17] intelligence is going to solve

[13:18] everything that we need to do or or or

[13:21] want to get fixed. Some things have to

[13:23] get fixed within the existing systems.

[13:25] But there appear to be some

[13:26] opportunities which might lend

[13:27] themselves well to an artificial

[13:30] intelligence tool of some sort. So we'll

[13:32] be continue to go through the workshop

[13:33] and those will be vetted. We will want

[13:35] to get some public participation so at

[13:37] least the public is aware of what we're

[13:38] looking at so they're not scared about

[13:40] what we're doing with it and have a

[13:42] better understanding of what we're doing

[13:44] with that. We'll probably mention it at

[13:45] the citizens academy uh touch on the

[13:47] fact that we're researching it and and

[13:49] get and getting into it. At the moment I view these things as productivity

[13:53] improvements and u what I would call

[13:55] almost a force multiplier. How do we do

[13:58] much more with the resources we have

[14:00] rather than come and asking you for more

[14:01] people? So, how do we do some things

[14:03] that we can't do today? Maybe there

[14:05] needs to be more things running behind

[14:06] the scenes um in in in programs and pack

[14:10] in in AI packages to speed things up.

[14:13] Maybe some things that we're doing

[14:14] manually today should be automated and

[14:16] happening more quickly. So, we're

[14:18] looking at that that type of stuff. So,

[14:21] uh we'll we'll continue to report back

[14:22] to you and when we have a more firm

[14:24] product, you'll you'll get a

[14:25] presentation on that.

[14:28] Ed,

[14:28] >> what was the name of the woman who who

[14:31] was at with at dinner that's running

[14:33] that for you?

[14:33] >> Diana Pracken.

[14:35] >> Diana.

[14:35] >> Yep. And uh her and her partner A um

[14:39] from uh from from California are are

[14:42] leading us through these workshops. Just

[14:44] to be clear, they're not actually going

[14:46] to sell us the the tools. uh they're

[14:48] helping to guide us towards what are the

[14:51] things that are eligible or practical

[14:54] maybe to to use AI for and then help

[14:57] guide us towards what AI platform may be

[15:00] able to help us and and help us through

[15:02] that procurement process if if it's

[15:04] warranted. So there's a bunch of steps

[15:06] to go through. That's who was helping us

[15:07] through that.

[15:10] Um I'll mention that we're not going to

[15:12] get into a lot of detail because we'll get these reports out and get them

[15:15] published. We've got to go through uh

[15:16] for Yanuk of course the PCA u we did

[15:20] okay for PCA in May we actually lost

[15:23] ground says well you just said we did

[15:24] okay well we lost ground we lost ground

[15:27] because the nuclear outage in in June

[15:29] rather the nuclear outage uh went longer

[15:31] than expected so had that nuclear outage

[15:34] ended when we expected it to end we

[15:36] actually would have gained on the PCA by

[15:38] a little over 100,000 but dollars but

[15:40] because the outage went longer which

[15:42] means we had to buy more replacement

[15:44] power of the supplemental contract, we

[15:46] actually lost a little bit of ground.

[15:48] So, we're we're running at about a

[15:50] negative $1.2 million in the aggregate.

[15:53] And we're going to talk a little bit

[15:54] later tonight about moving some money

[15:57] from the storm fund over to the PCA.

[15:59] But, uh, it's not that alarming.

[16:02] Revenues are coming in strong and, uh,

[16:04] I'm confident that we'll we're going to

[16:06] make some good headway on this before

[16:07] the end of the the year. That's for

[16:09] sure. That's what we currently project

[16:11] to happen. Now, natural gas prices go

[16:13] crazy, that's a different thing. solar

[16:14] portfolio is performing well. Things are

[16:17] going well in that regard.

[16:19] >> Thank you.

[16:21] >> And I think that's enough,

[16:24] >> Miss May and Ma.

[16:26] >> Um, two things. One, we I just wanted to

[16:29] thank uh Mr. Bailey. Thank you for

[16:31] calling me today when um and and Ed, I

[16:33] called you. We had an outage in um

[16:35] College Park. Um and it was 45

[16:41] minutes, something like that. So, it's

[16:42] under your average. So, we're okay. But,

[16:44] um, it was caused by balloons, people

[16:48] um, letting helium balloons go. So, I

[16:50] just wanted to put it out there. That's

[16:51] my PSA of the day.

[16:53] >> And, um, you know, that just is horrible

[16:56] for the environment and and for the

[17:00] electric reliability rates. So, and we

[17:02] didn't have and the turtles and

[17:04] everything. So, please, please, please

[17:06] do not release balloons into the

[17:08] atmosphere.

[17:09] >> Thank you, Miss Mlea. Thank you. Um,

[17:12] just going back cuz you touched on the

[17:14] um the transfer from the storm fund to

[17:16] the right stabilization fund. I know

[17:17] that we're not there yet, but I had

[17:18] requested from finance some additional

[17:22] backup that wasn't provided to us, Mr.

[17:24] Perry.

[17:27] » It was [clears throat] it was provided.

[17:30] >> Oh, it's not in the original. You asked

[17:31] for it. We got it to you on Friday, I

[17:33] believe.

[17:34] >> Yeah. Okay. Was it added to the backup

[17:36] for the community to see?

[17:40] Okay. Thank you.

[17:44] >> For the record, what Commissioner Mlego

[17:46] was asking for was what was the the

[17:48] actual current uh balance in the in the

[17:50] fund before you approved it before you

[17:52] approved to uh to move it.

[17:55] I I should point out to the other thing

[17:57] that we we did fix was you had you all

[18:00] had recommended that we uh have the

[18:02] Citizen Done Energy website moved to

[18:04] three languages. So, we that's now been

[18:06] enabled. I'm told I haven't actually

[18:08] checked it in in in Spanish or I don't

[18:11] speak Creole, but Spanish I do. I

[18:12] haven't checked it, but I see the little tab there in the instructions

[18:15] that that says it will work. The team

[18:16] has confirmed that does work. And we

[18:19] also added a link for the bill payment.

[18:21] Uh if people go there, they want to pay

[18:23] their bill, they'll click there and

[18:24] it'll take them over to the bill payment

[18:25] site.

[18:26] >> Thank you.

[18:26] >> I actually had a lady who came up here

[18:28] to me yesterday who was at the meeting

[18:29] last night who I met at Rolo and she

[18:31] said the last Rolo meeting you said

[18:33] something about doing something with the

[18:34] electric bills. So, our bills the same.

[18:36] how do I do that? So, we are hopefully

[18:39] going to get more people to to join in

[18:40] on the budget billing as well.

[18:42] >> And we are expanding that site to also

[18:44] include performance information,

[18:46] statistical performance on outages. And

[18:48] eventually we'll move to more uh of our

[18:50] key performance indicators uh that we've

[18:52] talked about during the budget process.

[18:54] Those will be published on a on a

[18:56] regular basis on that website as well.

[18:58] >> I don't read the I don't read the

[19:00] languages, but it does work.

[19:02] >> Thank you. Great,

[19:05] >> Mr. Mavoy.

[19:06] >> Um, and I believe just for

[19:08] clarification, it's the myar balloons

[19:10] that we're particularly unhappy about

[19:12] because they're conductive.

[19:14] >> They're they're all bad, but those are

[19:15] especially bad.

[19:16] >> Yeah, we especially do not like those.

[19:20] >> I can tell you

[19:21] >> I don't think the one yesterday was

[19:23] today.

[19:24] >> There was actually two of them if I saw

[19:26] correctly. And um I can tell you as

[19:27] somebody who spends a lot of time on the

[19:28] water, it it it it's really a a bummer

[19:32] >> when you see balloons floating in the

[19:34] water or plastic bags or water, you

[19:36] know, single-use water bottles. It's one of my pet peeves. That's not

[19:40] why I'm here tonight, but uh I just I

[19:42] just want the public to be thinking

[19:44] about that because

[19:44] >> they look like jellyfish and they eat

[19:46] them and then they die.

[19:48] >> Um

[19:53] I was just going to to note

[19:56] I'm I'm glad to hear it's Well, I'm not

[19:58] glad to hear about the increased degree

[20:00] days. um we can expect them to continue

[20:03] go up. I don't know about at that rate,

[20:05] but um they probably will. Um

[20:10] and

[20:12] one thought uh I occasionally through

[20:14] LinkedIn see interesting things relating

[20:16] to the electric industry and interesting

[20:19] comments on artificial intelligence and

[20:22] data centers and one of them is was some

[20:25] suggestions from Jennifer Granholm who

[20:29] used to be the department of energy and

[20:31] seems like pretty thoughtful and

[20:33] informed person. Um, she really pointed

[20:36] out and reminded me something that I've

[20:38] been interested in for a long time is

[20:40] battery storage. Get the AI guys to help

[20:43] because part of the deal is you want

[20:45] them to be better partners onto the grid

[20:48] and give some more buffering. So, get

[20:50] them to help out with that. Um, and I

[20:53] raised the battery thing because I just

[20:54] encourage you, I'm sure you're doing it

[20:56] already, keep an eye out for

[20:58] opportunities because that's our one

[21:01] addition that we could add to the solar

[21:03] that would get us more mileage out of

[21:04] them if it ever becomes, you know,

[21:08] financially within our means to do that

[21:11] >> storage. Yeah. To to that point, there

[21:13] are two significant initiatives, I'd say

[21:16] one is very significant underway at

[21:18] FMPA, which we're watching closely.

[21:19] they're sharing information with us on

[21:21] and that's a battery energy storage

[21:23] project that would be located in the

[21:25] Keys and that is being done or being

[21:28] looked at for the purpose of

[21:31] improving the capacity position on that

[21:33] transmission line going to the Keys

[21:34] which is reaching its peak. Um and the

[21:38] thought is that they could store energy

[21:40] in batteries further down the keys and

[21:43] use that energy to avoid setting a

[21:45] higher peak on that transmission line

[21:47] which is constrained.

[21:49] that is has gotten significant traction.

[21:52] However, prices are not coming in at the

[21:54] point where it looks that attractive

[21:56] right now. And what they're finding

[21:58] nationally is that the best prices and the bulk of the equipment are going

[22:03] to other markets such as markets where

[22:06] data centers are being built in Texas

[22:08] and in the New England area but um in

[22:10] Mid-Atlantic. So getting access to that

[22:13] storage equipment is is harder to get at

[22:16] the smaller sizes. But the other aspect

[22:18] of what FMPA is now going to take a look

[22:20] at is does storage work in conjunction

[22:23] with any of the solar projects the FMPA

[22:26] sites that that we've developed together

[22:28] we're we're a customer on. So it might

[22:31] make some sense to do it there. They're

[22:33] going to investigate that. And of course

[22:35] there's the possibility of us doing

[22:36] storage here on our own system which

[22:38] they're going to help us uh evaluate

[22:40] together with then front our own

[22:41] consulting company. And just

[22:45] for for the public, when people talk

[22:48] about storage, battery storage in

[22:50] systems, they're not looking to store as

[22:53] you might if you were doing a home

[22:54] system where you might want to store for

[22:56] three gray days. This is usually storage

[22:59] for 2 hours, maybe four, if you're

[23:02] really lucky and it's an enormous

[23:03] storage, eight hours. Correct. But

[23:05] you're looking to shift the solar peak,

[23:07] which is maybe 2, three in the afternoon

[23:09] to the usage peak, which is more 6 to 8.

[23:12] >> Right. and there a few hours can make a

[23:14] big difference

[23:16] >> and and that's more achievable with a

[23:18] smaller less expensive battery system.

[23:21] >> So one one way to look at this is to say

[23:22] you know some power plants might run 50

[23:25] 60 maybe up to 90% capacity factor. It

[23:28] means they're not running 100% of the

[23:30] time at 100% of their capacity. They

[23:32] cycle back. The thought is including

[23:36] with solar is to take keep them at at

[23:39] the high performance level. put that

[23:41] energy into the battery instead of

[23:43] cycling it back and then use the battery

[23:45] to offset all of the production that

[23:47] would have been required during the day.

[23:49] So you're getting basically more use out

[23:51] of the existing power plant by running

[23:53] it longer and discharging energy during

[23:55] the day instead of just resorting to

[23:57] building yet another power plant to meet

[23:59] that that daytime peak. Now, that works

[24:02] so long as you can recharge the battery

[24:04] and and that the battery has enough

[24:07] cycle time, but the batteries are very

[24:09] expensive and there's an energy loss.

[24:10] You you put 100 units of energy in,

[24:12] you're going to get about 85 units of

[24:14] energy out. So, there's there's a loss

[24:16] in that process. Those are very very

[24:18] rough numbers, but it doesn't mean you

[24:20] shouldn't look at it. We're we're going

[24:21] to take a look at it and see if it makes

[24:22] sense.

[24:23] >> Cool.

[24:24] >> Thank you.

[24:24] >> Is that it?

[24:25] >> Yes.

[24:26] >> Okay. Next up is public participation,

[24:28] but I want to ask you I want to ask to

[24:29] be indulged. I have these books and I

[24:31] was going to do the end of the meeting,

[24:32] but I think while people are still here

[24:34] and people are still watching before the

[24:35] end, I'd like to just introduce this.

[24:37] Steven Lockwood is our latest amazing

[24:40] historian. He does remarkable work. He

[24:42] his research is impeccable. And he came

[24:45] last week. He's up north right now, but

[24:46] he came last week with his latest

[24:48] edition, which I'm here to hand out.

[24:51] >> He's a very kind man. He's very invested

[24:54] in the city of Lakew Worth.

[24:56] >> Um,

[24:58] >> of course, I'm going to hand out to

[24:59] everybody. Yes. going to hand out one.

[25:03] >> I think he did give you one when he was

[25:04] here that day. Um

[25:07] >> we'll have Jeez,

[25:11] >> I've had a hard day. Um so I just want

[25:14] it's all about the casino and the beach,

[25:15] which is of course relevant to our lives

[25:17] here. And um

[25:22] Amazon $15.

[25:25] um, Back to the Future and there will be

[25:29] copies in the library for people to take

[25:30] out. So, thank you very much. I just

[25:33] didn't want to be like 10:00 and nobody

[25:36] cared.

[25:38] >> So, thank you.

[25:39] >> Thank you. Yeah, it's really he does

[25:40] remarkable work. Um, we now have public

[25:44] participation of non-aggended items and

[25:46] consent agenda items.

[25:49] >> Oh, don't even please

[25:51] >> read them.

[25:51] >> I've had a long day. It's made I can't

[25:54] even look at it.

[25:56] >> Where's my Okay, there they just have

[25:58] two. Ramsey Mloud and Mr. Hitchcock.

[26:01] >> Oh, please. This makes me crazy.

[26:04] >> The lure of public private partnership.

[26:07] >> I open It's like a tarot card. I open to

[26:10] a radical change in architectural style.

[26:14] Miss Mcloud,

[26:18] can I put these underneath?

[26:21] Thank you.

[26:26] Rams Mloud, 24 South Sea Street. It

[26:29] appears that our web master may have

[26:31] fallen down the prover proverbial rabbit

[26:33] hole. A few months ago, I accessed the

[26:36] city's website and a little pop-up box

[26:37] appeared asking if it could help. I

[26:39] typed in food truck ordinance and it

[26:41] quickly came up with all the

[26:43] information. Last week, when I went to

[26:45] the city's website, there was no pop-up

[26:47] box and now I have to click on

[26:49] government along the top of the page.

[26:51] And when that page appears, there's a

[26:53] quick link submen that lists code of

[26:56] ordinances on the lower right hand side.

[26:58] When I click on that and do a search for

[27:00] food truck ordinance, I get a list of

[27:02] every place in our ordinances where the

[27:04] word food or truck is listed. 17

[27:07] entries. As a result, I did a search via

[27:10] good Google for the Lakew Worth Beach

[27:12] food truck ordinance and I got the

[27:14] entire ordinance as well as a form to

[27:16] submit a permit request. I believe this

[27:18] is how our website was intended to

[27:20] operate, but it appears to have veered

[27:22] away from that capability. Something I

[27:24] thought you should be made aware of. I

[27:27] know you have reviewed procedures, etc.

[27:29] for being on the dis and I'm requesting

[27:31] that you consider adding parameters on

[27:33] what can be presented during the

[27:34] commission liaison reports and comments

[27:36] or perhaps shorting the title to just

[27:38] commission reports. So far this year,

[27:41] from what I've observed, there are no

[27:42] neighborhood associations in District 2,

[27:45] or if they do exist, they don't meet and

[27:47] have voiced no concerns, trends, or

[27:49] information to share with the rest of

[27:51] the residents of our city. In addition,

[27:53] I've yet to hear any feedback on their

[27:55] commissioner's attendance at committees

[27:57] or agencies they are representing our

[27:59] city on. I look forward to these reports

[28:02] because it's an opportunity for me to

[28:04] learn more from residents in other areas

[28:06] of our city. is it also lets me know how

[28:09] involved and or engaged a commissioner

[28:11] is in the district they represent. I

[28:13] want to know if neighborhood

[28:14] associations are meeting and what are

[28:16] the concerns in their area. Are there

[28:18] trends occurring that other residents

[28:20] should would be made aware of? Do they

[28:22] have projects, cleanups planned, etc. Is

[28:25] there feedback on construction projects

[28:27] or developments occurring in their area?

[28:30] I feel these reports help to tie our

[28:32] residents together because we then

[28:34] become more aware of what's impacting

[28:36] them and occurring in other parts of our

[28:38] city. It also alerts residents to

[28:40] concerns that may begin to appear in

[28:41] their area and how best to handle them.

[28:44] In addition, this commissioner's

[28:46] singular focus seems to be on the

[28:47] Guatemalan residents in our city. Yet,

[28:50] they have taken no action to mitigate

[28:51] the continual destructive behavior of

[28:53] the Guatemalan men. I would like to

[28:55] encourage you to request city staff

[28:57] prepare a document listing the costs

[28:59] incurred by the city because of this

[29:01] behavior and present the bill to the

[29:03] Guatemalan Mayan Center or the

[29:05] Guatemalan embassy for reimbursement of

[29:07] these mounting unexpected costs. The

[29:09] residents of this city have a right to

[29:11] know how you are being forced to spend

[29:13] our taxpayer dollars on the fallout from

[29:16] their bad behavior, particularly in our

[29:18] parks and playgrounds instead of on

[29:20] needed projects or repairs. Thank you.

[29:24] uh, Mr. Hitchcock.

[29:37] » Good evening, W Hitchcock at 1506 13th

[29:40] Avenue North.

[29:43] Real quick, the downtown, we need to do

[29:46] something to bring it up. It is going

[29:50] really down as far as nothing down there

[29:53] for families to come into this town and

[29:55] feel like there's anything for their

[29:56] kids. It's either a smoke bake place or

[30:02] restaurants that have nothing for kids.

[30:04] You don't have an arcade or anything for

[30:06] them to come here so the parents can

[30:08] enjoy themselves and the kids can enjoy

[30:11] and say how great of a city it is to

[30:13] come to. There's nothing. And we got

[30:16] people walking in our restaurants

[30:18] bombing for food. You know, I don't know

[30:22] what we can do about that. But let's go

[30:24] under your other subject, the beach. You

[30:27] were talking about the turtles and

[30:29] everything. This is from the cabana boys

[30:32] out there. They take the rubber bands

[30:34] that break, they throw them on the

[30:35] beach. And this is what I found in less

[30:38] than a month. And I tried to tell them,

[30:40] "Why don't you help clean the beach

[30:42] instead of trashing the beach?" They'll

[30:44] set their chairs right on beer bottles

[30:46] and everything else. Yeah. And I think

[30:50] it was Monday cleaning along the pier, I

[30:53] found a nice snatch hook that used for

[30:55] snatching bait hooked to a piece of

[30:58] cable right next to the pier on the nice

[31:00] section of the beach.

[31:02] Any parent that was coming here from out

[31:04] of town, they would have been going to

[31:06] the ER to get that cut out of their foot

[31:09] cuz I know what those things can do.

[31:11] I've been snatched by a fishing with

[31:14] other people

[31:15] and you do go to the hospital to have

[31:17] them cut out. But you but you're talking

[31:20] about your balloons on power lines. It's

[31:22] the same thing at the beach. There's

[31:24] nobody there to enforce any of this

[31:26] stuff. We got one guy we call Turtle

[31:29] John. He tries to educate him about the

[31:31] turtles because he marks out the

[31:34] turtles. But there's no reason for this.

[31:37] None at all. I mean, if you're going to

[31:40] do business on our beach,

[31:42] you're responsible to clean up just like

[31:44] any other business would tell you clean

[31:47] up. Even the pure

[31:48] >> restaurants. So, I think

[31:50] >> yeah, they need to step it up instead of

[31:53] saying not my job.

[31:57] » Thank you.

[32:06] » Approval of the minutes. Do I have a

[32:07] motion? Motion to approve by Mrs. Mena.

[32:10] Second by

[32:13] >> second

[32:14] >> Mr. McCoy.

[32:15] >> All in favor of it.

[32:17] >> I the consent agenda to I have a motion.

[32:21] >> Motion to approve. Second by Mr. Zgler.

[32:25] Second by Mr. McCoy. All in favor.

[32:28] >> Thank you very much. And now we're going

[32:30] to take new business B. change order one

[32:33] with BNB Underground Construction, Inc.

[32:35] for Eden Place at 16th Avenue North Seaw

[32:37] Wall and drainage improvements. Um, Miss

[32:41] Vaughn, I hope you're feeling a little

[32:42] bit better.

[32:46] » Thank you.

[32:47] >> Okay. Is there anything we have a motion

[32:51] >> to approve? Okay.

[32:53] >> Second.

[32:54] >> Um, do we need any discussion?

[32:56] >> I don't have any question.

[32:57] >> All right. All in favor? Hi.

[32:59] >> Hi.

[33:00] >> Please go take care of yourself.

[33:02] >> Thank you all. Have a great night.

[33:04] >> All right. Take care.

[33:10] » Yeah. Back to unfinished. Um, okay.

[33:12] Unfinished business.

[33:18] This is the extension of the uh

[33:20] Bradley's lease.

[33:23] >> Yeah.

[33:24] >> Yes.

[33:25] >> Uh, I did not get a chance to print it

[33:27] out.

[33:30] I did not see it.

[33:33] >> I didn't see it.

[33:35] >> You may have been here.

[33:37] it is. Oh, and this

[33:39] >> Yeah.

[33:40] >> Oh, I saw there was changes, but they

[33:41] didn't underline and strike out. So, it

[33:43] was really part of work.

[33:46] >> Really ask.

[33:47] >> Well, but they I don't think they were

[33:49] cross. Maybe Mr. Glenn can give us

[33:51] insight. That's the easiest way to do

[33:52] it. So at your last meeting on this

[33:56] topic, you provided some direction about

[33:59] having electric utility install a meter

[34:01] there and once that happens, they'll pay

[34:03] electric bills.

[34:04] >> Can you speak up a little bit for

[34:05] >> sure the rent will be 7500 a month. The one change from the packet that you

[34:10] had in your agenda was the CAM, which if

[34:14] you recall, there was some discussion

[34:15] about uh what area is the common area

[34:18] maintenance paid for? uh the square

[34:20] footage of the property was a little

[34:21] uncertain. And so what we had done is

[34:24] put in the cam for cleaning uh staff

[34:27] member for the entryway, the reception

[34:30] area, and the restrooms. But apparently

[34:33] upon relisting to the minutes of the

[34:35] meeting, that was really supposed to be

[34:36] in the next lease. So I took that out.

[34:38] That's the only thing that came out. It

[34:39] was the last couple of lines on the top

[34:42] of the second page. So, if you have the

[34:45] older one in front of you, you'll see

[34:47] after uh it says tenant will pay the

[34:51] city's um solid waste collection. Then,

[34:56] right after that, it used to say the

[34:57] city will clean and maintain the common

[34:59] area maintenance and canvas this much.

[35:01] That's gone. Other than that, it's uh

[35:04] what you've had in your packet uh since

[35:06] the beginning of uh a week or so ago.

[35:08] >> Okay. Okay. And how does it break down

[35:11] in terms of And I keep barking about

[35:13] this and I'm going to continue to keep

[35:15] barking about this. The condition of the

[35:18] dining room, this the uh sound in the

[35:20] dining room, the chairs.

[35:24] >> There's nothing in the lease that says

[35:25] that other than the general terms about

[35:27] maintaining it in, you know, good and

[35:28] proper condition. Uh there were three

[35:31] specific items that I think uh

[35:33] Commissioner Mlega had had mentioned.

[35:36] One was the concrete steps needed to be

[35:38] fixed. That's done. The second was the

[35:40] uh storage unit needed to be secured and

[35:44] then uh surrounded by KUSA and that's

[35:47] been done.

[35:48] >> Are all the violations corrected?

[35:50] >> Yes, at this point. Yes. The the deck

[35:53] was one, the deck was finished a few

[35:54] weeks ago, the concrete steps was the

[35:56] other one, and the third one was the

[35:58] storage unit.

[36:00] >> Thank you. Um Miss I see Miss May's

[36:04] light is on.

[36:06] >> Uh thank you. And I want to thank you

[36:08] for um for working so hard on this,

[36:10] Glenn. And um we did do a little bit of

[36:14] or I did a little bit of research just

[36:16] on the typical rent percentage of

[36:19] revenue that um re restaurants in this

[36:23] area would get. Not necessarily

[36:24] waterfront or golf club, just

[36:26] restaurants in general. And I found that

[36:28] to be about 10 to 12% of their revenue

[36:31] should be paid to rent. I mean standard.

[36:34] And if you take especially if you take

[36:37] CAM out, we're at um what was the Can

[36:41] you just What was the garbage again, Mr.

[36:43] Perry?

[36:45] >> Yeah, but what was that?

[36:48] 700 8,400

[36:50] >> uh 9,43649.

[36:54] Okay, so plus 53,000 for electric plus

[36:59] 90,000 for rent equals 152 divided by

[37:04] their yearly

[37:06] revenue is uh 7.6%.

[37:10] So 7.6 for their overhead, not including

[37:13] obviously what they pay for staff, but

[37:15] as far as the lease goes. So I would say

[37:18] that that's a pretty fair deal in my in

[37:20] my opinion. Thank you.

[37:25] Uh, Madam Clerk, do you have any public

[37:27] comment?

[37:28] >> No. Madam Mayor, I have no comments on

[37:30] any item this evening.

[37:31] >> Oh my goodness. Okay, let's see.

[37:36] >> Motion to approve.

[37:38] >> Uh, by Mr. Segridge,

[37:40] >> second by second. I do have Mitch.

[37:42] >> I second.

[37:43] >> By Miss

[37:46] Mitch has a public comment. That's the

[37:48] only public comment I have. Is that

[37:49] true?

[37:50] >> Okay.

[37:53] I'm sorry.

[37:56] >> Participation which we ended on.

[37:59] >> Good evening.

[38:00] >> Ready. Hi.

[38:01] >> Hello commissioner to may Hello

[38:04] Commissioner the mayor. I want to thank

[38:05] everybody for working so hard on this

[38:07] and it's I know it's been kind of a tough go at this and I know everybody

[38:14] really worked hard. Um, the CAM thing I

[38:17] wanted to just bring up real quick is this is a shared facility with the

[38:23] golf course. So,

[38:26] I'm and we're going to work towards it

[38:28] though. Okay. Right. Is that what we're

[38:31] I think we're going to be work towards

[38:32] it on the next lease.

[38:33] >> Mr. Right now, this lease does not have

[38:36] any candidate at all. Now, this lease is

[38:38] one year. So, right at the end of the

[38:40] year, then the commission previously

[38:42] directed that we look at what the square

[38:44] footage of the CAM would be and maybe

[38:46] even go out for proposals, but at this

[38:48] point, this one-year lease does not

[38:49] include CAM,

[38:50] >> right? I was looking for go to a more

[38:53] permanent deal is what I thought they

[38:55] were looking at, but it's a shared

[38:57] thing. So, that's why I was wondering if

[38:59] it if it could be shared with the golf

[39:01] course if we do go to a cam.

[39:04] >> Yeah. um

[39:06] >> to our attorney or or your lawyer needs

[39:09] to talk to

[39:09] >> Yeah. Okay. We've been talking. So, um,

[39:13] and I just wanted, you know, with the

[39:15] electric, you know, I was just wondering

[39:18] if it was when the thing gets put in,

[39:20] whenever that happens to be, if we could

[39:22] take a look at it then and decide, you

[39:25] know, I could make a more, you know,

[39:27] educated guess as to what how much it's

[39:30] going to be, you know, because right now

[39:32] it's like I feel like I'm just going to

[39:33] give a blank check and say here because

[39:35] I have no idea what the electric's going

[39:37] to be.

[39:39] Um, I got an estimate that the the whole

[39:42] property was $5,000,

[39:44] which I

[39:45] >> 50 what?

[39:46] >> 50,000.

[39:47] >> 50 50,000. I'm sorry. 50,000.

[39:50] >> But yeah, I mean that that I can work

[39:54] with, you know, but he I think they said

[39:56] something like maybe 5 to 700 possibly,

[39:58] which is great, but I just don't know.

[40:00] So that's why I was wondering if it was

[40:02] something we could take a look at in the

[40:04] future and maybe put that on the thing

[40:07] for the move it to the next thing the

[40:09] next permanent lease.

[40:11] So I was just wondering about that and I

[40:13] just want you know like gentleman

[40:15] earlier said about children. We love families at our

[40:18] restaurant and that gentleman I'd love

[40:21] to have all the children he knows come

[40:23] over there and they run around. They

[40:24] enjoy themselves. Parents don't have to

[40:26] really work.

[40:26] >> Thank you.

[40:28] Thank you, Mitch.

[40:30] >> Okay, Mr. Bes.

[40:34] >> Um, I just wanted to thank uh colleagues

[40:38] and our attorney. I think the goal, as

[40:41] far as I understand, the goal that we

[40:43] had of continuing a familyoriented,

[40:46] relatively affordable, very welcoming

[40:48] sort of a place um has been achieved

[40:52] along with a little bit of an adjustment

[40:54] to balance, you know, how the city

[40:56] benefits and how the and keep the place

[40:59] going. Um, I believe my understanding is

[41:02] that this is whatever we've come up with

[41:04] now is feasible to keep it going and

[41:08] that I'm I'm glad for that. So,

[41:12] >> um, one thing I want to bring up is I

[41:13] think the city can do better. When you

[41:15] drive in there to the right there's the

[41:17] dumpster. I you know, can we put a hedge

[41:19] up? I mean, it's really did some move,

[41:22] but there's still stuff there. I mean,

[41:23] there's still another um they got

[41:26] >> what

[41:29] there was something up there the other

[41:30] day.

[41:32] >> Um now, we'll say there was a pool

[41:34] company there last week that I sent Mr.

[41:36] Perry some information on. I'm not going

[41:38] to call that pool company out, but they

[41:39] were using our parking lot as a staging

[41:42] for all their heavy equipment and they

[41:43] did some damage that staff is trying to

[41:46] make them take care of.

[41:47] >> That's unfortunate.

[41:48] >> They were installing a pool and using

[41:50] our parking.

[41:51] >> Oh, no. I'm sure.

[41:54] >> No doubt. No doubt.

[41:59] There you go. Okay, we have unfinished

[42:02] business. This is unfinished business.

[42:04] Oh, Mary, there you go,

[42:06] >> Madame Mayor.

[42:07] >> We had a first and a second for the

[42:09] lease. We did not have a vote.

[42:12] >> We're going to hear from

[42:13] >> Oh, my apologies.

[42:16] >> You're forgiven.

[42:19] >> Thank you. They helped a lot. Okay.

[42:23] Um, Mary Lindsay, 327 Columbia Drive in

[42:27] beautiful College Park, Lakew Worth. Uh I'm not sure that this directly ties

[42:32] to this item, but I did want to make

[42:35] sure that the commission and the public

[42:37] knew that everyone is invited to a

[42:40] wonderful party up at the casino on

[42:43] August 15th as we say farewell, good

[42:46] luck, and thank you for 34 years of

[42:49] dedicated service by Cindy Anel. So, I

[42:53] want to make sure you all knew about it

[42:54] and that I had the opportunity to share

[42:57] this and I shouldn't have been stuck out

[42:59] in the hall. I was talking to Mr.

[43:00] Liberty. That's why I miss public

[43:02] participation. I'm so sorry. I I

[43:05] appreciate that.

[43:07] >> 6 to9

[43:09] tickets are $30. This is being held by

[43:12] the uh your hosts are the wonderful

[43:15] friends of the Lakew Worth Library Group

[43:17] where every single nickel that raised

[43:19] goes right straight to um our city

[43:23] library. So, we're real happy about

[43:24] that.

[43:26] >> Miss Mary, just so you know, there are

[43:27] some of us that will be at the

[43:28] legislative conference and that weekend

[43:30] and will not be in

[43:31] >> No, no, it gets out at like noon on

[43:33] Saturday.

[43:34] >> No, it doesn't.

[43:35] >> Or we Well, okay. It's usually just

[43:37] chitchat at the end. No, not at the

[43:39] annual conference.

[43:44] » We may have this year, but it's only in Hollywood. So, we can drive

[43:47] up. We'll make it

[43:49] >> good.

[43:49] >> We'll make it.

[43:50] >> That would be great. And and bring all

[43:52] your friends. We really want to give

[43:53] Cindy a nice scent. 34 years, 20 years

[43:57] as an unpaid volunteer.

[44:00] Her mother founded the Friends of the

[44:02] Lakeworth Library and she served on the

[44:04] library advisory board for 20 years. and

[44:08] then 14 years at the actual in the

[44:10] stacks. We like to say

[44:12] >> she's and she's been so creative and so

[44:14] innovative and just connects with the

[44:16] community and loves and lives here. I

[44:18] mean, she's one of us and that's really

[44:20] terrific and I'm very pleased to hear

[44:22] that she's happy about her replacement.

[44:24] She feels fine.

[44:25] >> Yes, he's wonderful. David is is just

[44:27] wonderful. He's he's one of us, too. He

[44:29] just doesn't happen to live in town yet,

[44:31] but we always get we get them in the

[44:33] end.

[44:34] >> Word.

[44:34] >> Yeah. All right.

[44:35] >> Thank you, Mary.

[44:36] >> Thank you, commissioners. I appreciate

[44:37] your indulgence.

[44:43] » Okay.

[44:45] >> Next up, we have we have a motion. We

[44:47] have a second. All in favor?

[44:50] >> Thank you very much.

[44:53] New business C. Work order A.

[44:57] >> Oh, A. Sorry. Um, that's okay. I have

[45:00] unfinished business. Resolution 29-26

[45:03] transferring funding from the storm fund

[45:05] to the rate stabilization fund. I think

[45:07] Mr. Liberty

[45:08] >> Motion to approve.

[45:09] Do I have a second?

[45:10] >> Second.

[45:11] >> Uh, do you want to

[45:13] >> I think we need to hear

[45:15] >> Mr. Liberty. You want to address this?

[45:16] Miss Milligan, what what's your

[45:19] pleasure?

[45:19] >> It's not really a question. Um,

[45:26] I'm going to be voting against this and there's a there's a big reason why.

[45:30] Um,

[45:33] I'm not comfortable again, we just saw

[45:36] Holly Smith last week from Santael and

[45:40] when I think about the storm fund,

[45:42] there's a reason it was created and I

[45:44] understand that this was the seed money.

[45:46] Um, but we just heard that the the

[45:49] degrees stays are hotter, the usage is

[45:51] higher. Um,

[45:54] I think that this rate stabilization

[45:56] fund will bounce back. I don't want to

[46:01] take any money out of the storm fund. We

[46:03] are in the middle of storm season. We

[46:05] don't know what's going to happen. Um I

[46:07] had a very in-depth conversation with

[46:08] some of the finance staff today and Mr.

[46:10] Perry on the overall finances and what

[46:13] could possibly happen in the next one to

[46:15] two to three years in this city um

[46:17] between property taxes and if enterprise

[46:21] funds get stripped from us next year or

[46:23] the next legislation year for being able

[46:25] to make transfers to the general fund,

[46:27] what that looks like. And I'm just I

[46:30] brought this storm fund policy forward

[46:32] because I believe in it and I believe

[46:34] what it will do one day for the

[46:37] residents of the city. And I'm very

[46:41] nervous and skeptical about moving a

[46:43] half a million dollars out when we just

[46:45] heard, like I said, what I would

[46:48] consider

[46:50] good news, even though it's not good for

[46:52] our air conditioners and us and and the

[46:53] environment. Um, when it comes to the

[46:56] rate stabilization fund, I'm just I'm

[46:57] not comfortable with it and I have to go

[46:59] on the record for it. The stabilization

[47:01] fund for the storm fund was for the

[47:02] storm fund and this is it's two

[47:05] different issues that we're dealing with

[47:08] and I again I understand this was the

[47:10] seed fund that we borrowed from but at

[47:12] the same time we created the rate

[47:14] stabilization fund. There never was one

[47:16] of these. So these are policies that

[47:18] we've put in place for the betterment of

[47:20] the financial future of this city and

[47:22] for financial stability. Um, I'm not

[47:25] comfortable with this. I'm I'm not going

[47:26] to support it. I understand why it was

[47:30] brought forward. Um, I'm just I'm I'm in

[47:33] fear of it, especially during this time

[47:34] of the year.

[47:35] >> Thank you, Miss May.

[47:37] >> Um, to that note, I I see that the

[47:41] original I wasn't here in November of

[47:43] 23, but the original fund storm fund was

[47:47] funded through a transfer from the PCA.

[47:52] So, if I could have just a little bit of

[47:55] history on that, Mr. Liberty, was it

[47:57] intended as a loan or was it intended as

[47:59] seed money not to be returned?

[48:02] >> I agree with Commissioner Mlea. What in

[48:05] regards to the the statement, it it's a

[48:07] se was seed money. It was not intended

[48:08] to be a loan. Uh but you all have the

[48:11] authority to by vote to move it back and

[48:12] forth, but that's correct. It was not spoken of as a loan.

[48:16] >> Okay. So, it was never intended at the

[48:18] beginning to be moved back.

[48:20] >> Correct. And we we did not at that time

[48:22] did not have a storm fund. Our storm

[48:24] fund was in essence our fund balance.

[48:26] >> Right. Right.

[48:27] >> Which had taken a rather significant

[48:28] hit. And if we go back let's say 25 plus

[48:31] years uh to the to the what what helped

[48:36] put the utility in a tough situation.

[48:38] The FEMA payments which were were still

[48:41] working down right were being paid for

[48:44] out of fund balance. So every time a

[48:45] storm hit we would pay for it right out

[48:46] of fund balance.

[48:47] >> Oh god. So, we had proposed a a storm

[48:49] fund be created and that's the

[48:51] commission did unanimously to create a

[48:53] storm fund.

[48:53] >> Right.

[48:55] >> So, Mr. Liberty then um if we did not

[48:59] move this $500,000 into the um rate

[49:03] stabilization fund.

[49:05] >> How because I know you just said we're

[49:06] negative 1 million in there.

[49:08] >> Do we negative 1.2 in total between the

[49:11] stabilization between what we call the

[49:12] checking account and savings account?

[49:13] The net is a negative 1.2.

[49:15] >> The net is negative 1.2 to with the ex

[49:18] would that be able to be um

[49:23] I don't know the financial term made up through the um the fact that

[49:30] we're making more money

[49:31] >> through the PCA. Yes. To the extent that

[49:34] gas prices stay below what was assumed

[49:36] in the PC when we set the PCA and the

[49:38] volumes stay

[49:39] >> right. And didn't we just raise the PCA?

[49:41] >> Yes, we did March one. I believe the

[49:43] PCA.

[49:43] >> And have we seen the returns from that

[49:45] yet? Yes, we are. You know, we are

[49:47] seeing. So, we've made a little bit of

[49:48] gain and we've lost a little ground. We

[49:50] go up and down. So, for example, with

[49:51] the nuclear adage, we we were going to

[49:52] gain a little bit when the nuclear age

[49:54] longer, we lost a little bit. Okay.

[49:56] >> So, we're hovering right around that

[49:57] negative$1.2 million number.

[50:00] >> Our um is that something we're like

[50:02] paying interest on or is it just really

[50:04] a a not an actual more of a figure?

[50:07] >> It's real dollars. We're not paying

[50:08] interest on it. It's it's a spreadsheet

[50:11] calculation that debits out of our fund

[50:13] balance essentially. the $500,000 that's

[50:16] in the stabilization fund, that's

[50:17] actually physically in the stabilization

[50:19] fund and that is gaining interest. The

[50:22] negative amount which is negative 1.7

[50:25] plus the 500 net you negative 1.2 that

[50:28] negative 1.7 is basically being carried

[50:31] against the fund balance in the in the

[50:33] electric utility enterprise fund. It's

[50:35] not a separate fund.

[50:36] >> All right. So then as the motion maker

[50:38] I'm going to reig

[50:39] >> and I'm not going to make that motion. I

[50:42] >> withdraw. I'm gonna withdraw my motion.

[50:44] >> Vocabulary words were you'd like to

[50:46] withdraw your

[50:46] >> I would like to withdraw my motion.

[50:48] >> The second to withdraw their second. Who

[50:50] was the second?

[50:51] >> Anthony.

[50:51] >> Mr. Zwood. Yep.

[50:52] >> And I would like to make a motion to

[50:54] disapprove the transfer of the 500. I

[50:57] just have one question. If we don't do

[50:58] this, I mean, what about the do you feel

[51:00] like the rate stable fund will bounce

[51:03] back at some point?

[51:04] >> Yes, I do.

[51:05] >> And if we come into an emergency, we

[51:07] have

[51:07] >> we we've really grown our fund balance

[51:09] substantially. I don't have stand text

[51:10] numbers in front of me or I believe it's

[51:12] in the 13 to$15 million range.

[51:14] >> And it's your not your but the electric

[51:16] fund balance. It's not the general fund.

[51:18] >> Correct.

[51:19] It's an enterprise fund.

[51:20] >> Correct.

[51:21] >> Specifically within the electric

[51:22] utility.

[51:23] >> How come you can't just transfer it from

[51:24] there?

[51:26] >> Uh well, number one, I wouldn't have the

[51:27] authority to do that.

[51:28] >> Could we transfer it from there if need

[51:30] be?

[51:31] >> In in theory, yes, you could take it

[51:33] from the from the fund balance. Uh, I

[51:35] would say if you want to continue to

[51:37] watch this, it's it's okay.

[51:40] >> Yeah,

[51:40] >> that

[51:41] >> that's that's a these are the policy

[51:43] decisions to make. Staff will follow

[51:44] your your instruction.

[51:45] >> Okay.

[51:48] >> Mr. M.

[51:49] >> I don't know what the order is.

[51:51] >> I did you both.

[51:54] >> Um, second

[51:57] >> just for clarification.

[52:00] Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe

[52:02] that the intent of the storm fund is

[52:04] pretty straightforward by the name.

[52:06] That's for stuff that we do not think

[52:08] will happen, but our concern could. Um,

[52:12] and that those can be quite expensive.

[52:14] The number that sticks in my head always

[52:16] is even if we just bring in folks and

[52:19] they don't do anything, you're looking

[52:20] at about a million dollar bill

[52:22] >> probably. and and you have to do that

[52:26] for all the reasons that you've

[52:28] explained to us that you know

[52:30] everybody's going to be looking for help

[52:31] and you got to get your request in while

[52:33] there's still help available. Um so that

[52:36] gives some idea that's that's short of

[52:39] your minimum bill. Um my recollection of

[52:43] the rate stabilization fund which we

[52:45] also established is look we know that

[52:49] the market can swing around or the nuke

[52:52] plant can go out for longer than is

[52:54] expected. Rather than chasing each of

[52:57] those bumps up and down very actively,

[53:00] lower the PCA, raise the VCA, lower the

[53:02] PCA, let's put a little bit of a buffer

[53:05] aside and on some of the smaller bumps,

[53:09] throw something out of the rate fund,

[53:10] stabilization fund, or so throw

[53:12] something in if we have a good day um to

[53:15] buffer the changes a little bit more so

[53:18] that customers don't see it waving

[53:20] around quite as much. seems like a

[53:22] reasonable idea and a reasonable

[53:24] objective,

[53:26] but it's not it's a helpful fund. It's

[53:29] not a hey, the star sky will fall if we

[53:32] don't use it.

[53:34] >> Correct.

[53:34] >> So, in that sense,

[53:36] the two funds have very different

[53:38] objectives and different targeted usage.

[53:42] I think I would have to agree with um

[53:44] Commissioner Mlega that h if we don't

[53:49] really have to and if the rate

[53:50] stabilization is kind of an optional

[53:52] thing anyhow, let's leave that half a

[53:56] million in the storm fund and sit tight

[53:59] and you know we it may mean that we do

[54:01] have to do a PCA adjustment at some

[54:03] point depending on what comes down the

[54:05] pike. Um, but at least we've got some

[54:09] spare

[54:11] for stuff that doesn't happen.

[54:14] That would be my thinking.

[54:15] >> It's like having an umbrella to make

[54:17] sure it doesn't rain.

[54:18] >> Mr. Se

[54:22] » Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, so is is the

[54:24] PCA fund at a negative I for what you

[54:28] said 1.7 or or 2

[54:30] >> 1.2 one

[54:32] >> well no 1.2 after transfer. No, let so

[54:35] let me clarify that. So

[54:38] there is a rate stabilization fund.

[54:40] There's no PCA fund per se. So the rate

[54:43] stabilization fund, think of it as our

[54:45] savings account that has $500,000 in it

[54:48] and plus interest. It continues to grow.

[54:50] I don't know the number with interest,

[54:51] but it continues to grow with interest.

[54:52] In our checking account, which is really

[54:54] our daily operating account, if you

[54:56] will, a monthly operating account, we're

[54:58] running -1.7. So what we do is we add

[55:02] those two together to say how much does

[55:05] how are we ahead of or behind on our

[55:08] total PCA

[55:11] recovery.

[55:12] So we count the stabilization fund plus

[55:15] the the operating account number. We net

[55:17] those out. That's how we come up with a

[55:19] negative 1.2 million rough numbers

[55:22] million dollars. It's in the report. We

[55:24] can open up a structive numbers but I

[55:25] think general is good enough for this

[55:27] discussion. Um negative 1.2 2 million is

[55:30] where we're at. And we set the rate

[55:33] effective March one, I believe we went

[55:36] up by about $7 per month on a,000

[55:38] kilowatt hour home if I remember

[55:40] correctly.

[55:43] >> Yeah. Yeah. Up to So it it made a

[55:46] significant difference in our in our

[55:48] recovery. Natural gas prices have stayed

[55:51] a little bit high, but not unbearably

[55:53] high. And uh and we're doing okay.

[55:56] Absent the nuclear outage that went

[55:58] longer than we expected. we would have

[55:59] gained about $110,000 plus instead we

[56:02] lost about $107,000 something like that.

[56:05] Um but I'm I'm not that uncomfortable

[56:08] with it. If you're not that

[56:09] uncomfortable with it, if the thought

[56:11] was we were thinking that maybe there

[56:14] was some some pressure from you all to

[56:16] try to get that PCA decreased uh on the

[56:20] bill, but if you're content to for now

[56:22] to to keep going to where we're going,

[56:24] that's okay with staff as well. I I

[56:26] think I go back to one of the reasons

[56:28] that we turned on the PCA. It had been

[56:30] turned off for many years. Not that we

[56:32] weren't collecting on it, but we weren't

[56:34] watching it closely as a utility and

[56:36] reporting out to the these the five

[56:39] seats here on a regular basis again till

[56:41] 2019 2020 when we said, "Hey, we really

[56:44] have to start we we matured to the point

[56:47] and turning around the utility we need

[56:48] to talk be talking about this." So these

[56:50] discussions are helping. You all have a

[56:51] good idea of what the PCA balance is.

[56:53] The important thing is we're not using

[56:55] PCA balance to make our base budget look

[56:58] good or bad. They're separate items and

[57:01] you're actively being updated on it.

[57:04] You're monitoring it. Discussions are

[57:05] healthy and and our fund balance which

[57:08] is important uh in in our bond rating

[57:10] for example continues to grow and it's growing this current year. We

[57:15] expect a good healthy uh growth on fund

[57:17] balance.

[57:17] >> What's our bond rating right now? I

[57:19] forget with Finch. Um, we Fitch does not

[57:22] have a direct rating on us. Our Moody,

[57:24] we have a Moody's rating. I want to say

[57:26] it's A2 and it's off the top.

[57:28] >> That's off the top of my head. I have to

[57:29] go make sure I get the terminology

[57:30] correct.

[57:31] >> I was just ask maintains a private

[57:33] rating on us because they rate they

[57:35] follow us indirectly because they watch

[57:36] the St. Lucy bonds for FMPPA

[57:39] [clears throat] very closely. So, and

[57:41] we're the largest participant. So, Fitch

[57:43] watch us very closely, but they they

[57:45] have not issued a rating on us. We may

[57:47] choose to uh seek a rating from Fitch

[57:50] for our next bond issue.

[57:52] >> Thank you, Mr. Secret.

[57:54] >> How are we growing our rate

[57:55] stabilization fund? Is that basically

[57:57] when the PCA we're beating it?

[57:59] >> Yes.

[58:00] >> And so that from an accounting

[58:02] perspective

[58:04] gets chalked into that. So

[58:06] >> exactly,

[58:07] >> you know, since I've been sitting up

[58:09] here, we've been losing against it. Kind

[58:12] of slowly but surely ticking down, down, down. And I and I know we we

[58:16] moved some stuff around. Um do you think

[58:20] we were aggressive enough

[58:22] in in looking at rates and then also

[58:25] given the current international climate

[58:28] with oil and the pressures that's

[58:30] putting on other fuel sources and so

[58:33] forth and the climate [laughter]

[58:36] and and depending on on what what

[58:37] happens.

[58:40] Do you think we're doing enough to to

[58:43] basically buffer ourselves from what

[58:45] could be still very expensive roads

[58:48] ahead?

[58:50] >> That's a very good question. So, let's

[58:51] go back in time. At one time, um, and

[58:55] Commissioner McBoy would remember this.

[58:58] uh post uh COVID we actually think we

[59:01] got into the negative $5 million number

[59:04] and then we adjusted the rate and weoned

[59:07] up to I want to say positive3

[59:10] plus million and that's when things were

[59:12] good. We were well ahead and we were

[59:14] looking at ratcheting back and we said

[59:16] but I think we may have ratcheted back

[59:17] and then we then moved $500,000 in the

[59:20] stores and so we we we've been riding

[59:22] the wave. we tend to by nature PCAs will

[59:26] lag uh the the actual usage curve.

[59:29] You're always chasing it and what we

[59:30] tried to do was avoid having monthly or

[59:33] quarterly swings. Got to set a number

[59:36] and let it ride for a while. Uh and

[59:38] that's what we've been doing. But you're

[59:39] right, probably in your tenure, yes, you

[59:40] probably saw it drop, continue to drop.

[59:42] >> So we're over the years, we we've now

[59:44] achieved a much smoother curve, tracking

[59:47] closer to it, which is where we want to

[59:49] be. And and so for for the folks at home

[59:51] hearing we're we're 1.7 or 2 point

[59:53] something under the margin. It's a scary

[59:55] number. Right.

[59:56] >> Correct.

[59:57] >> But it's it's to be expected as we're

[1:00:00] trying to trace a smooth curve versus

[1:00:02] the yo-yo effect, right? Of of going up

[1:00:06] and down.

[1:00:07] >> Um just a general question for you know

[1:00:09] I know we're doing a lot of storm

[1:00:11] hardening and and so on. Um, are our

[1:00:15] storm hardened assets insured against a

[1:00:18] storm or you know what what kind of

[1:00:22] insurance protections do we have against

[1:00:24] storms? Well, I'm I'm not an expert on

[1:00:27] insurance. Um, but we do update our

[1:00:31] items that we have insured. So, we've

[1:00:34] replaced a lot of poles and built new

[1:00:35] substations. So they're all a part of

[1:00:37] our current check that we're going

[1:00:38] through as we move those things into the

[1:00:41] asset register to make sure that they're

[1:00:43] insured properly. So we're in a process

[1:00:45] of gathering that information and making

[1:00:47] sure that finance has it and then the

[1:00:48] risk side has it so we can be insured

[1:00:50] properly.

[1:00:51] >> And then you know um as you guys brought

[1:00:53] up when when there is a large incident

[1:00:55] we we got to bring linemen in. We got to

[1:00:57] bring in crews from from everywhere.

[1:00:58] Right. You know and and that's that's immediate cash out because you

[1:01:03] don't pay they don't work. Right. Right.

[1:01:06] >> Um, and that's that's where the the the

[1:01:08] storm fund I would suspect, comes in in

[1:01:11] the most handy.

[1:01:13] >> Is there an insurance mechanism that can

[1:01:15] help us defend against that?

[1:01:16] >> That's called FEMA.

[1:01:18] >> Uh, so our first recourse is is is

[1:01:22] to is seek recovery from FEMA. But

[1:01:24] essentially what happened over the years

[1:01:26] was uh since the city was working off a

[1:01:29] negative balance with FEMA, the largest

[1:01:31] incursion of FEMA related or FEMA

[1:01:33] eligible expenses tended to be in the

[1:01:35] utility. So the utility wasn't getting

[1:01:36] the recovery while we're working down

[1:01:37] that balance. So the the utility was

[1:01:39] self helping by drawing down out of its

[1:01:43] reserves

[1:01:45] uh to cover items that might have

[1:01:47] otherwise been able to have been

[1:01:48] recovered through FEMA. And that's a

[1:01:50] long story of history of litigation and

[1:01:52] how we got to where we are today. You

[1:01:53] know, I I asked partly because, you

[1:01:56] know, I know some of the answers, but

[1:01:57] also because people listening at home,

[1:01:58] you know, um need to understand it's a

[1:02:00] very complex set of things and and that

[1:02:03] the the city has a good handle on it.

[1:02:05] So, thank you.

[1:02:06] >> If we could go back to something you

[1:02:08] mentioned with regards to uh the fuel

[1:02:10] risk and the PCA,

[1:02:12] >> one of the things that we do is

[1:02:14] obviously we have a PCA and we have base

[1:02:17] rates. Inside of our base rates, we have

[1:02:20] some things that have some variability

[1:02:21] to them. So for example, we have natural

[1:02:23] gas uh pipeline contracts and we

[1:02:27] monetize those contracts by selling our space with gas uh through a through

[1:02:33] a function which you will approve with

[1:02:35] GA Florida gas utility.

[1:02:38] When natural gas prices get very high,

[1:02:40] of course it impacts the PCA, but at the

[1:02:42] same time that gas pipeline capacity

[1:02:44] contract tends to overperform. So we're

[1:02:47] we have a little bit of a hedge. are not

[1:02:48] buying futures contracts, but as one

[1:02:51] expense is going up, the other revenue

[1:02:53] is going up. They're on different

[1:02:55] ledgers right now. Uh, and we're going

[1:02:57] to be talking a little bit more about

[1:02:58] that. We're actually putting together a

[1:03:00] data set to come back and talk to you

[1:03:01] about whether those gains should be

[1:03:03] moved over to the PCA. Uh, and the base

[1:03:06] amount be left in the base budgets. So,

[1:03:08] we're taking a look at that. Uh the

[1:03:10] other thing I'll point out is that when

[1:03:11] we moved uh a significant amount of

[1:03:14] energy supply from coal from the Stanton

[1:03:18] project, we moved it over to solar.

[1:03:20] Well, a portion of the coal expenses

[1:03:22] were actually in our base revenues. The

[1:03:24] fixed costs associated with the coal

[1:03:26] plant were in are in our base budgets.

[1:03:29] Now, that wore off. That means our base

[1:03:30] budgets are overperforming, helping our

[1:03:32] fund balance grow. But that 11 megawatts

[1:03:35] of coal that retired was replaced by 34

[1:03:37] megawatts of solar. do the math real

[1:03:39] quick. Oh, that's great. Except for the

[1:03:42] fact that the 34 megawatts of solar

[1:03:46] doesn't happen at the time of peak. It

[1:03:47] happens in the middle of the day. So,

[1:03:49] we're actually buying more capacity

[1:03:52] which is hitting the PCA and all the

[1:03:54] solar bills are hitting the PCA

[1:03:57] and the space was left unfilled in the

[1:03:59] base budget. So, we're going to be

[1:04:00] talking to a little bit when we get into

[1:04:02] the rate design uh in the coming months

[1:04:04] about maybe moving some capacity

[1:04:07] payments out of PCA, moving him into the

[1:04:09] base to fill the hole that was vacated

[1:04:12] by the the retirement of the coal plant.

[1:04:16] Interesting stuff. I I I suggest that

[1:04:19] you each find some time to come in and

[1:04:21] just chat to get an idea about it and

[1:04:24] then you'll be really be in much better

[1:04:26] position when we float these ideas. if you as a group have a consensus that

[1:04:31] you would want to discuss that uh but it

[1:04:33] it's an option that we can look at. So

[1:04:35] >> I'm just we're going back to the univer

[1:04:38] it'll be a whiteboard session but it's it's going to get to the issue of the um chasing the curve on the PCA

[1:04:47] and how do we reduce the volatility of

[1:04:50] the PCA but still make sure that we're

[1:04:52] recovering the money we need to pay our

[1:04:54] bills. So is are there things that we

[1:04:55] can do? The answer is yes, but it takes

[1:04:58] some time to understand it more than we

[1:05:00] can spend in the few minutes that we

[1:05:02] have here in these meetings. But

[1:05:04] ultimately, there'll be decisions you

[1:05:05] need to make in public. Yeah,

[1:05:07] >> we get us all lined up.

[1:05:08] >> We have the whiteboard ready for one-on-

[1:05:10] ones for that.

[1:05:12] >> Thank you, Mr. McBoy.

[1:05:13] >> Um, just three things. Are we are we

[1:05:17] three things?

[1:05:18] >> It is.

[1:05:19] >> Um, we as far as we know still below

[1:05:23] FPNL.

[1:05:25] Yes.

[1:05:26] >> Or very close.

[1:05:27] >> We're very very close. We're somewhere

[1:05:29] between even to 95 cents cheaper.

[1:05:33] >> Yeah.

[1:05:33] >> Net band and that that's done by

[1:05:35] actually finding bills uh that people

[1:05:38] have received for a similar amount.

[1:05:41] >> A similar amount and running it through

[1:05:42] the building model say how do we

[1:05:43] compare?

[1:05:44] >> Yeah. So just just so the public knows

[1:05:47] because we we all know that we've had a

[1:05:49] reputation likeworth as being oh crazy

[1:05:51] expensive. Well, we are we've been

[1:05:53] consistently below for a long time.

[1:05:55] >> Yes.

[1:05:56] >> Um and

[1:05:58] some of those who've been around a long

[1:06:00] time may know that I was not all that

[1:06:02] favorable of that goal

[1:06:05] 10 years ago maybe because I was afraid

[1:06:08] that the way we were going to achieve it

[1:06:09] was sucking down our reserves which

[1:06:11] turned out to be accurate. But I want to

[1:06:14] say huge credit to Mr. liberty that we

[1:06:18] have maintained that goal of staying on

[1:06:20] the FPL and we've been building our

[1:06:22] reserves back up which is very important

[1:06:24] for the bond and all sorts of good

[1:06:26] reasons. So kudos for being able to pull

[1:06:29] that off. Um a question relating to the

[1:06:33] bond rating and our general ability to

[1:06:35] borrow. If I remember right, the outside

[1:06:39] agencies that look at us part of what

[1:06:40] they're doing is trying to figure out is

[1:06:42] this a bunch of crazies that are running

[1:06:43] this? Are these solid? And one of the

[1:06:46] factors,

[1:06:48] well, hopefully they listen to Mr.

[1:06:51] Liberty rather than to us on that one,

[1:06:53] but I think we've been doing pretty

[1:06:55] moderately on on this. Um, is it not

[1:06:58] true that they looked fairly favorably

[1:07:01] on the existence of the rate

[1:07:02] stabilization fund and the existence of

[1:07:05] the storm fund as that seems like pretty

[1:07:07] prudent management. I'd say absolutely

[1:07:10] true. [clears throat]

[1:07:10] >> Yeah, that's what I thought. And on the

[1:07:13] one

[1:07:16] The whole it electric stuff is a little

[1:07:18] complex to stay on top of. Basically,

[1:07:21] the idea of the PCA and the base rate is

[1:07:24] PCA is fuel related and is going to you

[1:07:27] could expect that to be noisier as our

[1:07:29] fuel costs go up and down. Base rate is

[1:07:31] all the stuff that we got to do all the

[1:07:33] time. And then there's some fuzz because

[1:07:36] coal was something that we paid on a

[1:07:38] steady rate. So, we kind of put it into

[1:07:39] that one even though it's really sort of

[1:07:41] a fuel. But for sensible reasons, that's

[1:07:44] how we divided it up. Um, and then

[1:07:46] there's the whole energy costs and

[1:07:47] capacity cost, which we won't get into

[1:07:49] right now. Um, but is it not true that

[1:07:53] there two things with the solar? One is

[1:07:56] that they have a lot less volatility

[1:07:58] because we have uh known prices for

[1:08:01] roughly 20-year contracts that are

[1:08:02] either flat or a known escalator. So,

[1:08:05] there's no fuel noise on that one. And

[1:08:08] then the the downside is they don't have

[1:08:10] as much capacity. So they have a higher

[1:08:12] capacity cost, but if we were to ever

[1:08:14] get to battery supplement to it, that

[1:08:17] would help offset some of that capacity.

[1:08:20] So

[1:08:20] >> yes,

[1:08:20] >> in terms of our overall thinking, that's

[1:08:23] how that picture fits together if I

[1:08:27] >> you you understand it correctly, sir.

[1:08:28] Thank you. Thank

[1:08:30] >> Yes.

[1:08:31] >> But I do want to come get the

[1:08:33] whiteboard.

[1:08:34] >> Y

[1:08:35] >> thank you.

[1:08:36] >> Yes, Glad to have you. Glad to have Glad

[1:08:39] to have you there. better than water.

[1:08:41] >> You you captured the essence of the art

[1:08:43] of this uh very well. So, thank you.

[1:08:48] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[1:08:50] >> To be determined.

[1:08:52] >> And thank you.

[1:08:56] >> Uh do we did we vote? Did we not vote?

[1:08:59] >> Motion to deny and a second to deny.

[1:09:03] >> Correct.

[1:09:03] >> No. Mayo.

[1:09:05] >> Oh, yeah. May withdrew. and then made a

[1:09:10] motion to deny which Mala seconded

[1:09:13] >> and so if we vote

[1:09:15] >> that Mrs.

[1:09:16] We are not moving the

[1:09:17] >> Correct.

[1:09:19] >> So, Yay to the nay.

[1:09:22] >> Yay to the nay.

[1:09:23] All right. All in favor.

[1:09:24] >> Got it.

[1:09:26] >> Thank you.

[1:09:26] >> Nay. Yeah. Yay.

[1:09:28] >> Stop. Stop. Stop.

[1:09:29] >> Yes.

[1:09:30] >> I'm just trying to be clear on my

[1:09:32] >> and it's not working.

[1:09:33] >> No, it's not working.

[1:09:35] >> Okay. Up here. Yeah. You know, you got

[1:09:38] to have a little humor. Thank you, Mr.

[1:09:39] Liberty.

[1:09:40] >> You're welcome. Thank you.

[1:09:41] >> Okay. New business C work order number

[1:09:43] five with Eminem asphalt DVA all county

[1:09:46] paving for golf course resurfacing.

[1:09:47] >> Motion to approve.

[1:09:48] >> We're going to asphalt the golf course.

[1:09:50] Do I have a second?

[1:09:52] >> Second

[1:09:52] >> by Miss May. All in favor?

[1:09:54] >> I I

[1:09:56] >> Wait.

[1:09:56] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, Mr.

[1:09:58] >> Am I blocking this light?

[1:09:59] >> Yeah, I can't see. He put it up there.

[1:10:01] >> Okay.

[1:10:05] So, I I know one of the immediate

[1:10:07] questions I'm going to get from

[1:10:08] residents who live around some of the

[1:10:11] roads that look like they've been bombed

[1:10:14] and then they go and they look at the

[1:10:16] golf course and they say, "Well, that's

[1:10:18] not nearly as bad as the road that's in

[1:10:19] front of my house." Um, and I know we

[1:10:23] have a new PCI coming. Um, what is the

[1:10:25] progress on the the new PCI report?

[1:10:29] >> So, we have the PCIs. Well, Jamie Brown,

[1:10:31] public works director, uh, we have the

[1:10:32] new PCIs are now being populated into

[1:10:34] our new system. So, that's in process

[1:10:37] right now.

[1:10:37] >> So, when do we think that process will

[1:10:40] be completed?

[1:10:41] >> So, as we're putting that together,

[1:10:42] we're also doing programming as well.

[1:10:44] So, um,

[1:10:47] probably about another month or so, I'd

[1:10:49] say,

[1:10:50] >> um, to a point where we can actually get

[1:10:51] some some active projects laid out for.

[1:10:54] >> Okay. And and you know, so people

[1:10:56] listening at home, you know, it's not

[1:10:58] finalized yet, but so far in the budget

[1:11:00] process, we have been looking at

[1:11:01] allocating um an appropriate amount of

[1:11:04] funds to fixing roads, both on the

[1:11:07] maintenance side, but also um chipping

[1:11:09] away at the years of deferred

[1:11:11] maintenance. Um once that new PCI is is

[1:11:16] completed and you start looking at those

[1:11:17] projects,

[1:11:19] do you think it feasible that for some

[1:11:22] of the worst roads or or some of the

[1:11:23] roads at least maybe a year out or

[1:11:25] something being able to give people a

[1:11:27] general idea that hey you your road

[1:11:30] might be on this list

[1:11:32] >> possibly. Um, keep in mind we still have

[1:11:34] to coordinate with utilities as well and

[1:11:37] their overall master plan too to make

[1:11:38] sure that we're not about to do some

[1:11:40] things that uh have future uh utility

[1:11:43] projects going under.

[1:11:46] So we do need to coordinate with with

[1:11:48] them. So we're we're at the beginning of

[1:11:50] a somewhat lengthy process but we have

[1:11:54] started and we're well into it. So we're

[1:11:56] a lot further along than we were.

[1:11:58] >> Okay. And then just kind of my my my

[1:12:01] last question for for my colleagues. Um

[1:12:05] the parking lot of the golf course

[1:12:06] facility.

[1:12:09] I feel the maintenance of that should

[1:12:10] come out of the golf course fund. Now I

[1:12:12] understand the golf course fund doesn't

[1:12:14] have an awful lot, but you know

[1:12:18] public works wouldn't fix the parking

[1:12:20] lot in let's say my office building,

[1:12:23] right? Um, and we treat it as it has its

[1:12:26] own fund and and so on. Just like at the beach, if we were going to redo

[1:12:29] the beach parking lot, I I would think

[1:12:32] that we'd try to utilize the beach fund

[1:12:34] for that. Um,

[1:12:36] >> it's fine. You have the same question

[1:12:37] for the next item.

[1:12:38] >> So,

[1:12:41] um,

[1:12:43] I mean, is it

[1:12:45] off of hand, do you know what percentage

[1:12:47] is roughly the parking lot versus the

[1:12:49] streets?

[1:12:52] >> Uh, I do not. I could find that out. But

[1:12:55] we obviously wanted to do seventh

[1:12:56] leading into the golf course itself so

[1:12:58] we can attack the parking lot and then

[1:13:00] also knock out that area right between

[1:13:02] seventh and eighth on golfing while

[1:13:03] we're there.

[1:13:04] >> Yeah. So my my only ask of my my

[1:13:06] colleagues with with this because I

[1:13:08] think it needs it. I mean, you know, and

[1:13:09] obviously the golf the golf course we're trying to to make it look even

[1:13:14] better. It's doing better from a

[1:13:15] financial standpoint. Um, you know,

[1:13:18] compliments to staff and and to our golf

[1:13:20] pro and and everything else like that

[1:13:22] that's been going on all the events.

[1:13:24] We just renewed with with the beach

[1:13:26] club, right? And we asked them to get

[1:13:29] their ducks in a row and clean up the

[1:13:31] issues that they had. Um, so I

[1:13:33] definitely want to see us do this. Um,

[1:13:37] but I'm wondering amongst my colleagues,

[1:13:40] um, should we be aortioning the parking

[1:13:42] lot to the golf fund versus the roads

[1:13:44] fund?

[1:13:47] Can I chime in?

[1:13:48] >> Sure.

[1:13:49] >> So, I I concur on that thought. Once I

[1:13:52] looked at the streets remaining budget

[1:13:54] for the rest of the fiscal year at 2

[1:13:55] million, I felt comfortable um because

[1:13:57] right now the golf course has much

[1:13:59] greater needs than what their bank

[1:14:00] account all lots for. And that's the

[1:14:02] only reason I didn't bring up that that

[1:14:04] fiscal impact um was because of what the

[1:14:07] remaining balances and we're going into

[1:14:08] August. So says we're still sitting at

[1:14:12] 22

[1:14:13] 2 million $20,000 in the streets

[1:14:16] remaining balance and the street

[1:14:18] maintenance public works annual roadway

[1:14:20] fund according to

[1:14:23] the fiscal impact and I know that the

[1:14:27] golf fund is sitting nowhere near that

[1:14:28] and has major needs this year. Um

[1:14:30] otherwise I would completely agree with

[1:14:32] that. Keep the fund with where the

[1:14:34] improvement is. Um that's my that's my

[1:14:36] two cents

[1:14:37] >> that that's a great point. Um, but then

[1:14:39] my last question on on this, you know,

[1:14:41] because the folks at home are are going

[1:14:43] to hear that we've got two million left

[1:14:45] in the streets fund before the end of

[1:14:47] the year. That means fiscal year, which

[1:14:49] is October, right? So, just so people

[1:14:52] realize that's not

[1:14:54] >> that's not not December.

[1:14:57] Yeah. No, I know.

[1:14:58] >> I was just looking to see because we

[1:14:59] obviously have 200 coming next and then

[1:15:01] 1.1 and the next one. So I didn't know

[1:15:03] if we kind of structured these as we

[1:15:05] went down to show it depleting.

[1:15:08] >> So So it's going down.

[1:15:10] >> It's it's safe to say that that that

[1:15:12] money will be allocated to streets this

[1:15:14] year.

[1:15:14] >> Oh yes.

[1:15:18] » I just

[1:15:19] >> No, it's important for people at home to

[1:15:22] listen.

[1:15:22] >> It's one of the things

[1:15:24] >> we um it's one of the things we hear

[1:15:27] about the most from our residents. Okay.

[1:15:30] Miss Mil, Mr. McCoy, and then Miss May I

[1:15:34] can wait until the next item.

[1:15:37] >> Um, I I think that I I would agree with

[1:15:41] the suggestion that the parking lot kind

[1:15:44] of seems like it goes under the bill for

[1:15:46] the golf course. Um, I don't think other

[1:15:50] than providing staging area for private

[1:15:52] pool operations that the golf course

[1:15:55] parking lot

[1:15:57] does much other than for the golf

[1:15:58] course. Um, so

[1:16:03] yes, that's reasonable. Um, maybe the

[1:16:06] beach club should kick in a little for

[1:16:08] the golf for the parking. I don't know.

[1:16:10] Um, but I think it is a a fair concern

[1:16:13] that for other residents around the

[1:16:16] city, is it reasonable that we were

[1:16:18] using a lot of general fund money to do

[1:16:22] their parking lot? Um, so I would be in

[1:16:25] favor of and and in terms of the 2

[1:16:28] million,

[1:16:30] the number that I remember that we had

[1:16:32] for the last budget session was if we

[1:16:34] really wanted to try to I think you use

[1:16:37] the term chip away, stay on the

[1:16:40] maintenance, that's more like a five,

[1:16:42] six million a year over a number of

[1:16:44] years to get there.

[1:16:47] But that Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. But it

[1:16:50] the 2 million is still a lot less than

[1:16:53] the five or six and we are not spending

[1:16:55] five or six this year. We don't have

[1:16:57] that towards roads. So the need at the

[1:17:01] road fund and for other residents is is

[1:17:04] still a big deal. So I would be in favor

[1:17:06] of moving a bit more of the cost of this

[1:17:09] onto the golf folks. Maybe it doesn't

[1:17:12] have to happen as part of this, but just

[1:17:14] that we

[1:17:17] >> Yeah.

[1:17:17] >> figure out how to do that. I see some

[1:17:20] financial expertise is coming up here.

[1:17:23] >> Well,

[1:17:26] okay. Is there a response that there's

[1:17:29] no question?

[1:17:35] » So, Valentine state assistant finance

[1:17:37] director. So, I'm just going to help a

[1:17:38] little bit. I think the uh the way the

[1:17:40] task orders were organized uh you can

[1:17:43] see that we started the project with the

[1:17:45] 2.2 2 million and then applying these

[1:17:48] three uh work orders we are down to 77.

[1:17:52] Yes. Thank you.

[1:17:54] >> Thank you.

[1:17:55] >> Um I see.

[1:17:57] >> So do we have the is there a motion on

[1:17:59] the table? I can't remember.

[1:18:00] >> Yes. The motion to approve it.

[1:18:02] >> Yeah.

[1:18:03] >> Could we would the motion maker whoever

[1:18:05] that was be willing to amend it a

[1:18:08] little?

[1:18:10] >> It was you Commissioner Moy.

[1:18:13] Well, then I guess I can ask him if he's

[1:18:15] willing to amend his motion to I'll have

[1:18:18] a chat with him, but not on our nickel

[1:18:20] or time. Um,

[1:18:24] would there be consensus? Would people

[1:18:27] have some willingness to say split the

[1:18:29] cost to that one?

[1:18:34] » Yeah.

[1:18:35] >> How about a quarter this year?

[1:18:38] >> 10%.

[1:18:40] Do I hear 10%.

[1:18:42] >> I think I'm hearing zero. So,

[1:18:44] >> all right. But I I will hold that. Let's

[1:18:48] >> Yeah, I think that's smart.

[1:18:50] >> Okay.

[1:18:51] >> In favor.

[1:18:55] » I saved the budget amendment by the way.

[1:18:58] >> Good.

[1:18:59] >> Okay. Now we're on D.

[1:19:01] >> Motion to this is for the next one.

[1:19:03] Okay. Miss Miss May.

[1:19:04] >> Motion to approve.

[1:19:05] by Miss Vallega.

[1:19:07] Second by

[1:19:08] >> second

[1:19:08] >> Mr. Segridge Miss May.

[1:19:11] >> Um so this is kind of the same idea. My question for Jamie is the

[1:19:19] this is where the green market is,

[1:19:21] right?

[1:19:21] >> That's correct.

[1:19:22] >> Okay. And so the green market's there

[1:19:25] and then the overflow parking for that

[1:19:28] we rent out to the Four Seasons.

[1:19:32] >> Four season. Yep. and and also the

[1:19:35] employ generally the employees maybe of

[1:19:37] the of the um

[1:19:40] >> beach some of the beach tenants park

[1:19:42] there as well. I'm I'm I I'm not going

[1:19:44] to lie. I have not driven down there so

[1:19:46] I don't know the condition of this

[1:19:48] horrible.

[1:19:49] >> It's that it's that bad.

[1:19:50] >> It's really bad.

[1:19:53] >> It has a lot of trip hazards which

[1:19:56] always make me a nervous wreck during

[1:19:57] green market

[1:19:58] >> because people are walking and you could

[1:19:59] just

[1:20:00] >> Yeah, it it is

[1:20:01] >> it's that bad. Okay. Am I I was just

[1:20:03] thinking about of all the roads, this is

[1:20:05] probably one of the least used, but not

[1:20:09] if we're talking about parking, green

[1:20:10] market, and all of that is well used.

[1:20:13] >> Okay. Um and and I do kind of agree that

[1:20:16] in the future we should look at this be

[1:20:18] coming out of the beach fund because

[1:20:21] that's where it is and that's what it's

[1:20:23] being used for or even the green market

[1:20:25] money going towards it.

[1:20:27] >> Do you hear that, Glenn?

[1:20:28] >> All seven cents of it.

[1:20:30] >> Making notes. I see him.

[1:20:34] >> It's Oh, I'm sorry. 7,000 or whatever it

[1:20:36] is. Something ridiculous. Um, okay. And

[1:20:39] then my Yeah. So, that's what I have on

[1:20:41] this one. So, just thinking about in the

[1:20:43] future.

[1:20:44] >> Agreed. So, we have a motion. We have a

[1:20:46] motion in a second. Yes. All in favor?

[1:20:49] >> Oh, Mr. Secretary.

[1:20:50] >> Oh, sorry.

[1:20:50] >> Just for

[1:20:53] the lights been on the whole time. Oh,

[1:20:55] Sarah behind your child for one.

[1:21:01] » Um,

[1:21:03] >> so I know I know you brought up um and I

[1:21:06] don't know if it's been solidified um

[1:21:08] that there was some grant money for that

[1:21:11] pier that's on the on the edge of of

[1:21:15] that area, the old old bridge. So, we

[1:21:18] have those empty peers. There was you

[1:21:20] had mentioned some point that there

[1:21:22] might have been grant money to rebuild

[1:21:23] that

[1:21:24] >> here

[1:21:24] >> at Old Bridge Park.

[1:21:25] >> Yeah.

[1:21:26] >> No,

[1:21:27] he's there's South Bridge.

[1:21:31] >> You're thinking where the docks are.

[1:21:32] >> Yeah. Where the dock the dock is in in

[1:21:34] Old Bridge Park.

[1:21:35] >> No. Over park across the street where

[1:21:36] the green market is. Two separate

[1:21:38] property

[1:21:41] off of

[1:21:41] >> there's the boat launch.

[1:21:42] >> There's a missing pier in there in that

[1:21:45] park

[1:21:46] >> not that we own.

[1:21:50] Bars County.

[1:21:51] >> Yeah,

[1:21:51] >> that's on us.

[1:21:52] >> So, there's there's no plan for fixing

[1:21:55] that.

[1:21:55] >> Uh I know the county was working on

[1:21:57] something. I'm not sure what that

[1:21:58] current plan is, but uh but that pier

[1:22:01] was uh that was always

[1:22:03] >> right. So, my my only thought on that is

[1:22:06] if the county is going to be bringing

[1:22:07] heavy equipment to fix that,

[1:22:10] could we get them to help fix the

[1:22:13] parking lot because they're bringing

[1:22:14] heavy equipment across? And and if that

[1:22:16] was happening in some sort of a near

[1:22:19] time frame, it's a thought because

[1:22:23] >> which pier I'm confused as to where

[1:22:25] you're talking about.

[1:22:26] >> So you have you cross the bridge and you

[1:22:29] the green market right there,

[1:22:31] >> walk towards the water

[1:22:33] >> and there'll be a concrete footer that's

[1:22:35] about six foot wide and out in front of

[1:22:37] you are brand new pylons

[1:22:40] >> and you can just walk off and fall in

[1:22:41] the water because the floating dock is

[1:22:43] missing. It was the old floating dock

[1:22:44] used to be there,

[1:22:45] >> right? Are they putting Do we know if

[1:22:46] they're bringing it back?

[1:22:47] >> Uh, they were talking about doing an

[1:22:49] actual fixed dock in that location. I'm

[1:22:51] not sure where that that currently lies.

[1:22:53] That project is I can find out.

[1:22:56] >> Um,

[1:22:57] >> yeah, but what about Commissioner Seg's

[1:23:00] suggestion that if if they are going to

[1:23:02] be I don't know how heavy equipment it

[1:23:04] is or whether they'd come in by barge,

[1:23:06] but could we especially if they were

[1:23:08] bringing an asphalt truck with them,

[1:23:09] could they just drop a little? I I know

[1:23:12] in the past they've always come by

[1:23:13] March. They've had everything.

[1:23:15] >> Well, good.

[1:23:16] >> But again, I'll find out what what the

[1:23:17] latest is on them.

[1:23:19] >> Okay. And then just my my my other

[1:23:22] comment about the the the park, there's

[1:23:26] been a storage container there

[1:23:28] >> forever.

[1:23:29] markets.

[1:23:31] >> Yeah, you shouldn't be there.

[1:23:32] >> I know it's the Green Markets. Um, but

[1:23:34] we literally just told one of our

[1:23:36] tenants that they needed to plant Kucia

[1:23:40] and shield a unsightly storage container

[1:23:43] and this has been sitting there being an

[1:23:44] advertisement for the storage company.

[1:23:47] Um,

[1:23:48] >> do you want to know the irony? It's the

[1:23:50] same person is involved with both

[1:23:52] entities

[1:23:54] [clears throat]

[1:23:54] >> with both storage

[1:23:56] >> with with the beach club and the green

[1:23:58] market.

[1:24:00] There's one. Carrie Carrie Carrie owns

[1:24:02] the green market.

[1:24:05] >> You may have to

[1:24:06] >> Well, no.

[1:24:08] >> I mentioned that for a number of years.

[1:24:09] >> No. So, I I I would

[1:24:10] >> So, if they want to renew the green

[1:24:12] market, then get rid of that container.

[1:24:14] It's just it's

[1:24:14] >> oral storage. They can't have it now.

[1:24:17] >> Or it has to be some sort of a structure

[1:24:20] or sightly or or so on.

[1:24:24] >> Yes.

[1:24:24] No. Understood. Um, but I' I'd like

[1:24:27] to get consensus from my colleagues to direct staff to uh affectuate that.

[1:24:33] >> Well, is it part of his We have to look

[1:24:35] at the lease. Is it a part of the lease

[1:24:36] that they could have storage there first

[1:24:37] of all because they have a they do have

[1:24:39] a current usage or lease or whatever

[1:24:41] it's called?

[1:24:41] >> I don't remember what their lease can

[1:24:43] look at it.

[1:24:43] >> I just don't remember that.

[1:24:46] >> Yeah. But but if it's if it's against

[1:24:47] code, it doesn't really matter if it's

[1:24:48] in the lease. You can't just put

[1:24:50] something that's illegal in a lease and

[1:24:51] then have it

[1:24:52] >> count. I I

[1:24:55] >> so

[1:24:56] >> not the first time I've spoken about it.

[1:24:58] >> So my my ask is consensus among my

[1:25:00] colleagues to direct staff that now we

[1:25:01] finally do take that step and and fix

[1:25:03] that problem

[1:25:04] >> if it's not against the agreement that

[1:25:06] was previously signed before we got

[1:25:08] here.

[1:25:08] >> Even if that doesn't get us in legal

[1:25:10] trouble they should wrap it nothing

[1:25:12] else.

[1:25:12] >> We'll look and we look at that anyway.

[1:25:15] >> They can have storage there. It it just

[1:25:17] I think it just should be up.

[1:25:18] >> Well, we the city

[1:25:22] did

[1:25:24] um Meals on Wheels about just that thing

[1:25:27] in their parking lot and it had to be

[1:25:30] fenced and it and

[1:25:34] I have said this for almost the whole

[1:25:36] time they've been up here. It's like it

[1:25:38] just it doesn't belong there or it needs

[1:25:39] to be shielded or a fence or something

[1:25:42] because it's we have this rule that you

[1:25:45] can't have these things and there it is

[1:25:47] and it's the cities and it's it goes

[1:25:48] back to that you know what's good for us

[1:25:50] should be great. So I I think you have

[1:25:52] consensus on that one.

[1:25:54] >> Yeah. Goose and Gander.

[1:25:55] >> The only restriction on my consent is

[1:25:58] can we please please not plantia around

[1:26:02] it? Clusia is not native. Clusia is not

[1:26:05] native. There's way too much of it

[1:26:06] planted in the city and we should not it

[1:26:10] it's and it's it grows like gang busters

[1:26:13] so it's a big maintenance problem.

[1:26:14] >> Yeah, we can't see any

[1:26:15] >> I'm fine with shielding it. Okay,

[1:26:17] Spanish stop or Simpson stop or

[1:26:20] something.

[1:26:20] >> The only thing I want to say about the

[1:26:22] >> All right, let's call the question.

[1:26:24] >> The only thing I would say about the

[1:26:25] Kooia is that it's very good habitat for

[1:26:28] nesting birds. They can build nests in

[1:26:30] there very well. Thank you.

[1:26:32] >> Um

[1:26:32] >> Okay, so we have we have consensus. We

[1:26:34] have consensus for that. And all in

[1:26:36] favor of the motion, Miss

[1:26:38] >> Yes.

[1:26:38] >> for Old Bridge. I

[1:26:40] >> I thank you very much.

[1:26:42] >> Okay.

[1:26:44] >> Do we ever get to meet this evening

[1:26:46] lady?

[1:26:48] >> I'd like to meet her.

[1:26:50] >> I can arrange it.

[1:26:52] >> Okay, cool.

[1:26:55] Um, okay. Now, what's up is next is the

[1:26:58] work order 13. The paving lady. She's a

[1:27:01] very busy paving lady. Um, do I have a

[1:27:04] motion?

[1:27:04] >> So, I have a motion, but I wanted to

[1:27:07] right

[1:27:07] >> add to it.

[1:27:09] >> Okay. So, motion for all of the above

[1:27:13] and

[1:27:16] um 1 Avenue South from

[1:27:19] what's the name of it? What? Golf View

[1:27:21] over

[1:27:21] >> from Lakeside to Golf View.

[1:27:22] >> Lakeside to golf.

[1:27:24] >> Yeah. But

[1:27:24] >> I drove it today just on that note. And

[1:27:26] once you get past

[1:27:29] uh Golf View, it's it's not bad. It's that first.

[1:27:32] >> Yeah, we spoke earlier, but um yeah,

[1:27:34] from Federal to Lakeside, that road's

[1:27:37] actually in good condition. And the

[1:27:38] sidewalk, the F- curve is also in good

[1:27:40] condition. So, really just that last

[1:27:42] block from Lakeside

[1:27:44] >> when it goes to Golf View and then just

[1:27:46] hear me out guys when it goes in because

[1:27:49] that's how you get the boats to the boat

[1:27:51] ramp. So past Golf View, can you just

[1:27:54] check and see as you drive from Golf

[1:27:57] View to the ramp if there's a need in

[1:28:00] that little section?

[1:28:02] >> There is.

[1:28:02] >> Yeah.

[1:28:03] >> Right. When you cross over Golf View

[1:28:04] just

[1:28:05] >> that can we can we do that part too?

[1:28:07] >> We were going to extend and this is what

[1:28:08] I mentioned. So basically we're looking

[1:28:10] at a little over $90,000 to do that

[1:28:12] section.

[1:28:13] >> Well, it looks like we have 700,000

[1:28:14] left. So let's

[1:28:15] >> No, we have in our CIP that's already

[1:28:17] approved for this fiscal year. We had um

[1:28:20] one of the zones we had already budgeted

[1:28:22] for for the golf project. It was four

[1:28:24] zones. One of those zones we budgeted

[1:28:26] because when the golf stream before they

[1:28:28] come online, we need to redo that entire

[1:28:30] parking lot and everything in front of

[1:28:31] that. This would more than likely come

[1:28:33] out of that pot of money because it's

[1:28:35] part of

[1:28:37] >> and when if you do that part out of that

[1:28:39] pot of money, will it it'll still look

[1:28:42] okay when you do the other part later?

[1:28:46] >> What do you mean? I'm sorry.

[1:28:47] >> So, I'm I'm a little confused.

[1:28:50] Now,

[1:28:51] >> you're looking to add um

[1:28:52] >> I'm looking to add First Avenue South

[1:28:55] and I know that it's supposed to be done

[1:28:56] after the Gulf Stream, but that by the

[1:28:58] time the Gulf Stream's done,

[1:29:01] >> it'll be need to be done again.

[1:29:02] >> We will have lost boats down in the sink

[1:29:04] holes.

[1:29:05] >> So, I'd like to at least have it done

[1:29:08] now as part of this.

[1:29:09] >> So, one of the segments here basically

[1:29:11] ends at First Avenue. So we would

[1:29:14] basically just make that L and bring it

[1:29:16] now from Lakeside all the way past Golf

[1:29:18] View into the boat parking area. So that

[1:29:21] would be another segment we'd be adding

[1:29:22] on this and we can utilize um some of

[1:29:26] that CIP money.

[1:29:27] >> Okay.

[1:29:27] >> We got our budgeted for one of those

[1:29:29] golf uh golf zones

[1:29:31] >> to do this portion.

[1:29:32] >> Okay.

[1:29:32] >> Right now. Okay.

[1:29:33] >> And then we're just going to have to

[1:29:34] deal with um when the golf stream goes

[1:29:36] into phase two and all that damage is

[1:29:38] done. We're have to deal with the

[1:29:40] contractor and then kind of correct.

[1:29:42] >> Okay.

[1:29:43] I'm gonna add Second Avenue South.

[1:29:46] >> I think it's on there. Second Avenue

[1:29:47] South from Giew to South Palmway. Don't

[1:29:50] go. All right. Good, good, good, good.

[1:29:53] Thank you.

[1:29:53] >> There's a there's a little map with some

[1:29:55] here.

[1:29:56] >> Can I call the questions?

[1:29:59] >> So, if you look at the First Avenue one,

[1:30:05] » we'll take a

[1:30:07] >> So, you want to We're going from Yeah,

[1:30:10] that's good.

[1:30:11] >> Here. So, we're going to add blue here

[1:30:14] and a little bit more over to the end of the white. Yeah. Okay.

[1:30:21] That would make me happy. Mr.

[1:30:23] sandwich.

[1:30:27] » So, if if we're going to be doing South

[1:30:30] Palmway from Lake to First and we're

[1:30:33] doing all the side streets that connect

[1:30:35] to it,

[1:30:39] » that southern half of that is pretty bad

[1:30:41] as well, right? Um and I I know you try

[1:30:43] to southern part of

[1:30:46] >> South Palmway from First Avenue South

[1:30:48] all the way down to Fifth Avenue South.

[1:30:49] Not

[1:30:49] >> as bad as that first one. I understand

[1:30:51] that it's not as bad, but

[1:30:54] why are like what is the reason we're

[1:30:57] stopping there versus kind of just

[1:30:59] fixing?

[1:31:01] We're doing 90% of that section.

[1:31:05] What what's the scheduling reason? What

[1:31:06] is it? A budgetary reason like what

[1:31:09] based on PCI and budgetary reason. So we

[1:31:12] try to and we run into this all the time

[1:31:14] because there's so much bad roadway that

[1:31:18] there has to be a start point and an end

[1:31:19] point and [clears throat] wherever you

[1:31:21] end there's always questions by the

[1:31:23] people on the next block. Why did you

[1:31:25] stop here? Wherever you start there's

[1:31:27] people on the block before that. Well,

[1:31:28] why did you start there and not back

[1:31:30] here? It's just something that happens

[1:31:31] on every single project we do.

[1:31:34] So we base it on PCI and we try to we

[1:31:39] try to segate these off so it kind of

[1:31:41] makes sense as far as like a

[1:31:42] mobilization standpoint. So we're not

[1:31:44] paying for multiple modes. You kind of

[1:31:46] knock out what you can in a certain area

[1:31:48] and then move on. Um so it was just kind

[1:31:50] of based on how many blocks we could do

[1:31:52] with a certain segment of money before

[1:31:54] we can move on to the next.

[1:31:57] And so the South Gulf Road is going to

[1:31:59] be taken care of with the um the

[1:32:02] Gulfream funds.

[1:32:05] >> Yeah, we'd be looking for just that

[1:32:07] block of First Avenue South from G or

[1:32:10] from Lakeside developing a little beyond

[1:32:14] east side of golf here in the parking

[1:32:16] lot.

[1:32:17] >> My my my concern with that is I I

[1:32:19] understand the logic in doing that,

[1:32:20] right? there's there's obviously a

[1:32:23] optimal algorithm to to figure out

[1:32:26] exactly, you know, how how best to do

[1:32:28] it. But then I think we also need to

[1:32:31] weigh it against are we just

[1:32:33] perpetuating a patchwork.

[1:32:36] So, the example I'll use, if you run an

[1:32:38] apartment building and you get a call

[1:32:40] from a tenant about there being a light

[1:32:43] out in the hallway,

[1:32:45] it's far cheaper at that point to go

[1:32:47] replace all of those lights all at once

[1:32:50] because then you're on a schedule. It's

[1:32:52] one visit. You go, you do it and so on

[1:32:54] because over time, you're going to have

[1:32:56] light going out every week and then

[1:32:58] you're going to have to keep coming

[1:32:58] back, coming back, coming back. Looking

[1:33:01] at this map, it seems like we've

[1:33:04] replaced

[1:33:06] 90% of it, but we could have a clean

[1:33:08] block,

[1:33:09] a clean divider from Lake all the way to

[1:33:12] Fifth Avenue South, which is another

[1:33:14] major divider, and take care of that

[1:33:17] whole one section. And then it's all at

[1:33:19] the same age, all at the same condition.

[1:33:22] Um,

[1:33:24] versus having roads.

[1:33:28] The first block of it great, then it's

[1:33:30] bombed out and then the third block of

[1:33:33] it is taken care of.

[1:33:35] >> That's an unfortunate commissioner.

[1:33:37] That's literally the entire city in the

[1:33:38] way that everything's segmented.

[1:33:39] >> No, I I I understand it's it's it's the

[1:33:41] entire city, but a lot of that has to do

[1:33:44] with the fact that we're only plugging

[1:33:47] the holes that are in in the most need

[1:33:50] of it versus having a strategy for

[1:33:52] future maintenance.

[1:33:54] >> You know, I I would I would have to

[1:33:56] think

[1:33:57] In a perfect world, you had unlimited

[1:33:59] money and you were able to go ahead and do this. It would be far easier to

[1:34:04] take care of this whole section at once

[1:34:07] every 10 years or whatever whatever it

[1:34:10] is than to have to do a block over here,

[1:34:13] a block over there, a block over here, a

[1:34:15] block over there, which is where we're

[1:34:17] at. But at some point, I think kind of

[1:34:19] that insanity has to stop. as as long as

[1:34:22] your underground utilities are

[1:34:23] cooperating with you and you you can

[1:34:25] actually do large swaps. Obviously, that

[1:34:27] would be a perfect world. That would be

[1:34:29] ideal. It's just unfortunately the way

[1:34:31] that that everything's been done over

[1:34:32] the decades. You kind of are addressing

[1:34:34] roads that have been done at different

[1:34:36] times and utility issues that are

[1:34:38] happening in different locations um that

[1:34:41] have to be repaired at different times.

[1:34:43] Um so, we are kind of jumping around,

[1:34:45] but we try to knock out as much as we

[1:34:47] can in a certain area

[1:34:48] >> based on what we have budget. But yeah,

[1:34:51] perfect world and all our ground

[1:34:53] utilities are perfect. Yeah, you would

[1:34:54] want to do large sections at time

[1:34:58] >> and a lot of streets are worse shape

[1:35:00] than that section.

[1:35:02] >> Yeah.

[1:35:03] >> They literally stopped on my street at

[1:35:05] Fifth Avenue and they could have went

[1:35:07] one more block six which was a main road

[1:35:09] and they stopped.

[1:35:12] No, I I I I understand it's it's what we

[1:35:14] do for opt

[1:35:16] optimal, but but I think I think at some

[1:35:18] point, you know, especially now we're

[1:35:20] looking at eating away at at that

[1:35:24] deficit, right, the deferred maintenance

[1:35:26] deficit.

[1:35:28] I think we need a strategy that isn't

[1:35:31] just based on the optimal hole to plug

[1:35:32] at that optimal time, but also thinking

[1:35:35] about

[1:35:37] >> I think that's the whole purpose of

[1:35:38] >> the master plan. It's part of the it'll

[1:35:41] be part of the overall master plan and

[1:35:42] kind of laying these projects out. Same

[1:35:44] thing the coordination with utilities

[1:35:46] making sure that what we're doing you're

[1:35:48] knocking out sections and also taking

[1:35:50] care of your internet utilities at the

[1:35:51] same time.

[1:35:53] So

[1:35:55] the other part that kind of goes along

[1:35:56] with that is there are going to be a

[1:35:59] large quantity of roadways where it's

[1:36:01] more than just a millime surface which

[1:36:03] is obviously a complete different

[1:36:04] operation than the areas where we have

[1:36:06] to complete reconstruction rebuild which

[1:36:08] is now you're now touching your subgrade

[1:36:10] and your and your base um which is

[1:36:12] completely different operation.

[1:36:16] Sidewalks and curving on all the roads

[1:36:18] that need to be done. It's pretty much

[1:36:19] most of them the road hasn't been

[1:36:20] touched in quite a while.

[1:36:24] Yeah, we do.

[1:36:25] >> So, so obviously the operation and the

[1:36:26] actual treatment of the roadway itself

[1:36:28] depending on what that is that also.

[1:36:32] » I'm looking at the north lakeside from

[1:36:34] Lucern to Second Avenue North. There are

[1:36:36] people on Lakeside like fourth, fifth,

[1:36:39] sixth that have been dogging me to have,

[1:36:42] you know, their street. They're going to

[1:36:44] be unhappy when it starts at second, it

[1:36:46] stops at second. Same thing. I mean, you

[1:36:48] just you do what you have to do,

[1:36:50] >> right? Oh, and Madame Mayor, uh, I need

[1:36:54] to have,

[1:36:56] uh, Mrs. Cata come up and help with the

[1:36:59] motion. We need to, since we're adding a

[1:37:01] section here, um, I prefer not to have

[1:37:02] to come back with an amendment since

[1:37:04] that's not part of the current contract

[1:37:07] with them.

[1:37:10] » We're doing it the right way.

[1:37:13] >> I am I am.

[1:37:15] >> So, if we can revise the motion to

[1:37:17] include which street was it?

[1:37:19] >> First Avenue South. First Avenue from

[1:37:21] >> to revise the work uh to approve the

[1:37:25] revised work order to include that

[1:37:28] street for and you said 90,000

[1:37:31] >> y for 90,000

[1:37:32] >> for 90,000. So maybe up uh for

[1:37:36] >> the total up to 1,210.

[1:37:39] So that's going to be just a little bit

[1:37:41] over 90,000.

[1:37:42] >> Oh that okay not to exceed 1,2

[1:37:46] >> 210. That's going to be just a little

[1:37:48] bit over 90,000. Okay.

[1:37:51] >> And then we will revise the work order,

[1:37:54] add the additional street and and have

[1:37:56] it

[1:37:56] >> So number nine will be third first

[1:37:59] Avenue South between we said Lakeside

[1:38:02] and Gio.

[1:38:05] » Okay.

[1:38:05] >> All right. Do you agree with that

[1:38:07] amendment?

[1:38:08] >> I I do agree with the amendment.

[1:38:09] >> I seconded it. Yes.

[1:38:12] >> I wasn't talking.

[1:38:15] was wait

[1:38:17] and

[1:38:19] say thank you.

[1:38:20] >> I saw at the corner of my eyes and I

[1:38:22] thought maybe

[1:38:23] >> okay we're calling the question

[1:38:26] Mr.

[1:38:27] >> My comment could be right after it. So

[1:38:30] >> after we vote

[1:38:31] >> yeah it doesn't relate.

[1:38:32] >> All in favor I

[1:38:33] >> I

[1:38:34] >> thank you.

[1:38:34] Thank you Valentina. Thank

[1:38:36] you Jamie. Thank you.

[1:38:38] >> Request to my colleagues is just as we

[1:38:41] remember this this optimization project

[1:38:44] process

[1:38:45] has a lot to do with the underground

[1:38:47] utilities

[1:38:49] particularly with the storm water

[1:38:50] drains. Those are the ones that from

[1:38:52] what Von told me are the ones that are

[1:38:54] most guilty of leaking causing problems

[1:38:57] to the sub. And the pro, one of the

[1:39:00] problems is that we do not have that

[1:39:02] those leaks

[1:39:03] >> and that system mapped out in GIS

[1:39:07] >> because

[1:39:07] >> Jamie is going to have an awesome GIS

[1:39:09] system for the PCI, but we don't have

[1:39:12] the matching underneath. And it's also

[1:39:14] technically more difficult to map

[1:39:16] >> because you're underground. You can't

[1:39:17] get

[1:39:18] >> But we just approved her truck with the

[1:39:20] camera.

[1:39:20] >> So, let's just keep that focus and make

[1:39:23] sure that she gets what they need to get

[1:39:25] that mapping done. You could just follow

[1:39:27] the sink holes,

[1:39:29] >> the sinkhole, but you it's a lot more

[1:39:31] manual to turn it into a JS. Eventually,

[1:39:34] we'll get there.

[1:39:35] >> And ideally, hopefully a lot of those

[1:39:37] can be lined and not actually need to be

[1:39:39] trenched.

[1:39:39] >> Exactly. But they still you got to map

[1:39:42] them before you can

[1:39:43] >> correct

[1:39:43] >> do the full overlay.

[1:39:45] >> So,

[1:39:47] >> well, we have to commission these are

[1:39:49] reports and

[1:39:51] >> and we did vote 50. Yes.

[1:39:53] >> Yeah, we did. Yes, we did.

[1:39:59] waving waving my

[1:40:04] » I think he needs to go. Go ahead.

[1:40:06] >> Okay.

[1:40:07] >> We'll start with just

[1:40:10] Oh, you're going to hear the rap.

[1:40:18] » Okay. District three.

[1:40:20] >> District three. Um there is a eaten

[1:40:23] place meeting tomorrow night at Pomona

[1:40:25] at 6:30 if anybody's interested in that.

[1:40:29] They are newly um reformed and they are thriving and doing well and

[1:40:35] very excited to be um a functioning

[1:40:37] neighborhood association again. Um

[1:40:41] College Park and Tropical Ridge both

[1:40:43] meet on Monday nights. So that will be

[1:40:46] Monday the 3rd at um one is at Pomona,

[1:40:50] one is at uh not Pomona, Irish Brigade

[1:40:53] and the other one is at Compass. Um both

[1:40:56] meet around 6:30 and um so that'll be

[1:40:59] Monday night uh the first Monday of the

[1:41:02] month. So that's those three. Um, Mango

[1:41:06] I believe is the third Wednesday of the

[1:41:08] month and um,

[1:41:11] Eden Place is not Eden Place. Um, Parrot

[1:41:15] Cove, do you remember Anthony

[1:41:18] since we shared Parrot Cove?

[1:41:22] Okay. Well, we can look at that. Um, the

[1:41:26] Oh, okay. And the um

[1:41:29] uh NAPC meeting is this Saturday, which

[1:41:32] means I will be late for the backpack

[1:41:34] giveaway. Um I will be at the NAPC

[1:41:36] meeting. It'll be the first meeting

[1:41:38] we've had since the 4th of July. So I'll

[1:41:40] bring updates um from uh NAPC.

[1:41:44] Uh let's see. We went with the

[1:41:46] firefighters to pack backpacks um

[1:41:50] >> for 36,000 of them. So that was pretty

[1:41:52] fun. Um

[1:41:55] and I have a meeting on th or Friday

[1:41:59] with uh Mr. Perry as well talking to

[1:42:03] um some folks regarding the

[1:42:07] immigration crisis going on. So I'm

[1:42:10] going to find out some more information

[1:42:11] about that. And I am sad to report and

[1:42:15] this is I'm I'm pulling my foy here but

[1:42:17] I really think it's terrible that the

[1:42:19] TPS for um hate the Haitians

[1:42:22] >> has been um ended. So that's going to

[1:42:26] really affect our community as well.

[1:42:28] >> Um so but that is I more national news

[1:42:33] than I usually report but it is kind of

[1:42:35] heartbreaking. The other thing is,

[1:42:37] again, I will just repeat, please go

[1:42:40] outside. If you have a sidewalk, please

[1:42:42] walk down your sidewalk and please see

[1:42:43] if your bushes cover the sidewalk so

[1:42:47] that your neighbors when they go for a

[1:42:49] nice walk that they c cannot walk in

[1:42:51] front of your house. In addition, if you

[1:42:53] have a driveway, but your car is parked

[1:42:56] so that you cannot walk from one side of

[1:42:58] the sidewalk to the other side of the

[1:42:59] sidewalk, that also is a problem. So,

[1:43:02] please check that as well. Thank you,

[1:43:04] Mr. Segridge.

[1:43:07] Must be nice to have sidewalks.

[1:43:10] >> Oh, might be must be nice to have a

[1:43:12] beautiful island in the middle of your

[1:43:13] street that decorated.

[1:43:15] >> No, no, let's not.

[1:43:16] >> Right.

[1:43:17] >> Must be nice to have a little

[1:43:19] >> It is very nice

[1:43:20] >> if I had a It must be nice to have a

[1:43:22] house with closets

[1:43:25] [laughter]

[1:43:26] >> and a second.

[1:43:29] Um so um wanted to re remind everyone

[1:43:34] out there that we we do have board um

[1:43:37] positions opening up. We we have one for

[1:43:39] the planning and zoning board, but it

[1:43:42] does not mean just apply for that. Um

[1:43:45] you can apply for any of our boards at

[1:43:47] any time and the clerk will keep your

[1:43:49] information on record and when openings

[1:43:51] come up they'll contact you. It's a

[1:43:54] great way a great way. Yeah. for one

[1:43:57] year. It's a great way to get involved

[1:43:59] in the city and and make a difference.

[1:44:01] Um and I really would encourage um

[1:44:03] anyone who who wants to do so to to join

[1:44:06] a board. Um

[1:44:09] on the topic of boards, um we we did

[1:44:12] have uh a lot of good discussion um a

[1:44:15] couple months back um when we went over

[1:44:17] our board policy. Um, and I had thought

[1:44:22] we had discussed the the topic of um,

[1:44:25] attendance and and how we were recording

[1:44:27] that, but I guess um, at least what I

[1:44:30] thought wasn't as solidified.

[1:44:32] Um, and the one particular topic on it

[1:44:34] is when a board meeting needs to be

[1:44:37] cancelled because there aren't enough

[1:44:39] members.

[1:44:41] Um myself personally, I feel that those

[1:44:44] members that could not attend that

[1:44:46] caused the board meeting to be cancelled

[1:44:49] should be marked as absent. Um I thought

[1:44:52] that was that

[1:44:55] >> I thought that I thought that's what we

[1:44:57] had agreed to, but we did apparently we

[1:45:01] kind of talked around it and never had

[1:45:03] consensus. So

[1:45:06] >> if they cancel the meeting because you

[1:45:08] can't be there, then you get marked as

[1:45:11] absent but nobody else does.

[1:45:12] >> Correct. Nobody

[1:45:13] >> because it's your cause. It's your the

[1:45:15] reason is you didn't show up.

[1:45:18] >> I mean we as it as it exists today. If

[1:45:21] three of the members don't show up and

[1:45:23] that causes the meeting to be cancelled,

[1:45:26] those three members get a freebie. They

[1:45:28] don't get marked as absent.

[1:45:30] >> But normally they do know ahead of time

[1:45:32] if there's not going to be a quorum. And

[1:45:34] there are excused absences. I mean, if

[1:45:37] you know, if you're in the hospital, I

[1:45:38] don't think you should be

[1:45:41] >> Yeah, you get marked, but you have

[1:45:43] >> limit how many times you can react.

[1:45:45] >> Correct. But we do but we do have some

[1:45:48] boards that have had problems of even meeting and

[1:45:55] >> similar people were making up the people

[1:45:59] who were missing. So, I wanted to to

[1:46:03] get direction or consensus to basically

[1:46:05] say if you're one of the members that is

[1:46:07] causing a meeting to be cancelled by

[1:46:09] your absence, that is an absence. And I

[1:46:11] wanted to just clarify that for the

[1:46:13] clerk.

[1:46:14] >> As long as there

[1:46:17] >> Thank you, Mr. McCoy. As long as there

[1:46:23] » Mr. Mcy, can you speak into your mic?

[1:46:27] >> Hey, Mr. Mcoy, would you speak into your

[1:46:28] mic, please? I I will talk to Mr. McCoy

[1:46:31] and see if we can't arrange that.

[1:46:33] >> I appreciate you.

[1:46:36] >> As long as what the mayor mentioned that

[1:46:38] there are some absences that are, you

[1:46:41] know, yes, if you're in the hospital or,

[1:46:43] you know, family emergency or you know,

[1:46:45] there are a number of small number of

[1:46:47] things that might be very legitimate

[1:46:49] >> and that shouldn't be penalized. I don't

[1:46:52] think

[1:46:55] >> we're asking at least I wanted to add

[1:46:57] >> I think this may wants to speak again.

[1:47:00] >> I just wanted to add to the to what Mr.

[1:47:02] Mvoy was saying. So they have the

[1:47:05] ability to be absent I believe twice

[1:47:09] >> 25%

[1:47:11] 20%

[1:47:12] >> thought it was three times in a 12 month

[1:47:14] period.

[1:47:15] >> Okay. So it depends on the board. So

[1:47:16] let's say you have two or three freebie

[1:47:18] absences if you're in the hospital that

[1:47:20] counts as one.

[1:47:22] So, I don't know that excused or

[1:47:24] inexcused matters when you already have

[1:47:27] the ability to be absent.

[1:47:31] >> Do you know what I mean?

[1:47:31] >> We we we might want to revisit that.

[1:47:35] >> If it comes up, we could revisit, but as

[1:47:37] far as a general general thing, if if

[1:47:40] there's no quorum and but nobody gets

[1:47:43] marked absent, that just seems

[1:47:47] >> I mean, I understand the logic. Well,

[1:47:49] there wasn't a meeting, so there wasn't

[1:47:50] a, you know, you're not absent to a

[1:47:52] meeting, then it didn't happen. But if

[1:47:53] you're the reason that the

[1:47:55] >> right like if we all showed up, if we

[1:47:57] were all supposed to be here, but only

[1:47:58] two of us showed up, the three that

[1:48:00] didn't come should be marked absent

[1:48:01] >> or or at least no candy for them or

[1:48:03] something.

[1:48:04] >> But what if they're in the hospital?

[1:48:06] >> Well, that's fine, but then they that's

[1:48:08] one of their absences.

[1:48:10] >> Yeah, that that part I don't agree with.

[1:48:13] >> I don't agree with that. I'm sorry. I

[1:48:14] mean, sometimes things come. There are

[1:48:16] people that have I'm aware of the fact

[1:48:18] that there are people that chronically

[1:48:19] just don't show up.

[1:48:21] >> Yeah.

[1:48:22] >> Um, if they meet their 20%, they should

[1:48:24] be on.

[1:48:25] >> So, I don't I don't want didn't want to

[1:48:27] re rewrite the whole policy, but just

[1:48:29] clarifying the the one particular

[1:48:31] section that and and the question was

[1:48:36] if you're the reason a meeting gets

[1:48:37] cancelled because you can't be there,

[1:48:39] that should count as one of your

[1:48:40] absence.

[1:48:40] >> Yes. You have consent.

[1:48:41] >> I Yeah, I would think I I would agree.

[1:48:43] But I also think that there should be

[1:48:44] >> as right as long as it's not that the

[1:48:47] reason you're not there is you know an

[1:48:50] unavoidable that that would be a

[1:48:52] different policy change but

[1:48:54] >> but I mean something

[1:48:55] >> I didn't want to discuss that

[1:48:56] >> I think if you plan a vacation when

[1:48:57] there's a meeting that's an absence

[1:48:59] >> right

[1:49:01] that kind of stuff

[1:49:02] >> can we get consensus I really don't want

[1:49:04] to have this whole conversation tonight

[1:49:05] about this

[1:49:06] >> correct yeah no I just wanted on on the

[1:49:08] one on the one piece the

[1:49:10] >> report is different some are 20% some

[1:49:11] are depending on there's

[1:49:15] >> um

[1:49:16] >> okay

[1:49:17] >> I think in concept we agree with you

[1:49:19] >> but I think Mr. point and I want a

[1:49:22] little humanity in it.

[1:49:24] >> But cross that bridge and we come to it.

[1:49:26] Also, the other thing could be if you

[1:49:28] have that many absences, you can appeal

[1:49:30] to the I'm just saying come to the

[1:49:32] commission and say, "Listen, I was in

[1:49:33] the hospital. What do you have a baby?

[1:49:35] Couldn't be there."

[1:49:36] >> Correct. There's a facility for that.

[1:49:37] >> If there's if there's a a remedy for

[1:49:40] them to appeal

[1:49:42] >> um

[1:49:42] >> before you move on, Commissioner

[1:49:44] Secretary, I just wanted to clarify that was 50 and everybody can see offer

[1:49:49] consensus. Okay, thank you.

[1:49:52] >> Oh, yeah.

[1:49:53] >> Um, so I thought it was interesting um

[1:49:56] Wade, you know, brought in that we we

[1:49:58] need we need stuff to attract children

[1:49:59] and we need maybe like an arcade or or

[1:50:02] something in in our downtown. We

[1:50:04] actually had um a business looking to

[1:50:05] come in to bring in a pinball museum

[1:50:08] into our downtown and it was

[1:50:10] >> museum.

[1:50:11] >> Yeah. The pinball museum concept like

[1:50:13] they have in Delray.

[1:50:15] Um well the people who were involved in

[1:50:18] that wanted to bring that same exact

[1:50:19] concept to our our downtown and it was

[1:50:21] denied

[1:50:23] um and so I

[1:50:25] >> denied by

[1:50:27] >> zoning

[1:50:28] >> in the willies I mean willies

[1:50:30] >> I thought it wasn't denied

[1:50:32] >> it it was severely kind of cut back

[1:50:38] » yeah regardless of of the particulars

[1:50:42] um because of SP 180 our hands are tied

[1:50:45] in restricting bad things, but they're

[1:50:48] not tied in allowing good things. And um

[1:50:53] you know, I I think we should kind of

[1:50:55] think about some of the some of the

[1:50:56] things that don't show up in our zoning

[1:50:59] that we might want to see in our

[1:51:02] downtown because remember our zoning is

[1:51:04] inclusionary, meaning if it's ain't in

[1:51:06] there,

[1:51:07] >> if it's not listed, you're not getting

[1:51:09] it. And so there there were a lot of

[1:51:13] things like like this that

[1:51:16] unintentionally got restricted because

[1:51:18] they're being defined as a a gaming hall

[1:51:21] the same as you would a pool hall or a a

[1:51:25] slot machine complex or like a pool tab

[1:51:27] complex. So anyway, um not asking for a

[1:51:30] consensus or anything, but um I do think

[1:51:32] we should think about some of these

[1:51:34] things and start bringing them forward

[1:51:36] >> like axe throwing and smashrooms.

[1:51:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, another another good good one was somebody wanted to

[1:51:44] bring in a in a dog bar, you know, that

[1:51:47] like the where you where you bring your

[1:51:49] dogs and everything else like that. That

[1:51:51] was also denied. Um yeah. Um

[1:51:56] I think it was where the where CWS was

[1:51:59] before Manray. Um a potential tenant. Um

[1:52:03] so but but in any event, you know, we

[1:52:06] we've [clears throat]

[1:52:08] well they do goat yoga, coffee yoga. Um

[1:52:11] we we spend a lot of time talking about

[1:52:13] what we want to prevent coming into our

[1:52:15] city. We don't spend I think enough time

[1:52:18] talking about what do we want to attract

[1:52:19] and what do we want to bring in and I I

[1:52:21] would just let let's try to think about

[1:52:23] some some of those things and also

[1:52:25] encouraging the residents send us ideas

[1:52:27] so that we can change and get that in

[1:52:30] into the code to allow um and I I

[1:52:33] thought it very interesting a number of

[1:52:35] our our neighbors are doing special

[1:52:36] overlay districts um for that exact

[1:52:39] thing. So there's a a nice article about

[1:52:41] point beach. Whether you agree about

[1:52:44] what they're doing and what their vision

[1:52:46] is, they put their vision in an overlay

[1:52:49] district which is now attracting their

[1:52:51] vision. And I' I've said that for years

[1:52:53] in Lakeworth Beach. We got to attract

[1:52:56] what we want. We just can't hope that

[1:52:58] it's going to show up. We got to

[1:52:59] intentionally put it out there that

[1:53:01] these are things that that we want. Um,

[1:53:05] I did want to um uh ask staff um and the

[1:53:09] city manager to um see if we can pay

[1:53:12] some more attention to the illegal food

[1:53:13] vendors. Uh the number of complaints

[1:53:16] that I'm getting is is ever rising. I

[1:53:18] went by 12 and that entire parking lot

[1:53:24] um is full. I even heard that even some

[1:53:27] up on um on Dixie um by like um the the

[1:53:32] food mark Don Raone or whatever there

[1:53:34] there's been a a sharp increase. So I

[1:53:36] don't think PBSO is really paying a lot

[1:53:40] more attention to that and I've gotten

[1:53:42] complaints from residents that they've

[1:53:44] called and no one's responded. Um so

[1:53:47] >> we had one in our neighborhood the other

[1:53:48] day that was a food vendor cart and he

[1:53:52] had it all lit up because it was dark

[1:53:54] outside. Oh wow. [laughter]

[1:53:55] >> So he was like a bright spaceship in the

[1:53:57] middle of

[1:53:57] >> He comes through our neighborhood too.

[1:53:59] >> I was like you got to be kidding.

[1:54:00] >> Um

[1:54:02] then um uh Benny's had their 40th um

[1:54:05] they did three days of kind of

[1:54:06] celebrations and and things like that.

[1:54:09] Um and um I actually met an employee who

[1:54:14] was there since 1986.

[1:54:17] She was there for all 40 years. And that

[1:54:21] that's just incredible that we have a

[1:54:22] business running, you know, that long in

[1:54:24] our city where where somebody's been

[1:54:26] working there for 40 years serving our

[1:54:28] community. Um, and it was great. Um, the

[1:54:31] moment I I I got down there, I saw

[1:54:33] people from all areas of town and

[1:54:36] everybody a lot a lot of lot more locals

[1:54:38] than than you would normally see. Um, so

[1:54:40] it was great to to see that umh

[1:54:43] celebrated. And my last thing, um,

[1:54:48] actually has something to do with with

[1:54:50] what Commissioner May had brought up

[1:54:51] about the sidewalks. Um,

[1:54:54] for whatever reason, I I got a number

[1:54:56] of, um, complaints or inquiries because

[1:54:59] people got cited for sight triangle.

[1:55:04] » Yeah. No, it it eventually worked out.

[1:55:06] Um, and I I had a great conversation um

[1:55:09] with Jamie um about that as well as uh

[1:55:12] good conversations with city manager and with um William. And as it turns out

[1:55:18] in our code, we measure from the

[1:55:21] property line

[1:55:23] um and you go back 10 feet or 20 feet

[1:55:25] depending. Seems pretty straightforward

[1:55:28] unless you live in an area like I do

[1:55:31] where I've got about 14 foot of city

[1:55:34] property,

[1:55:36] no sidewalk up on my grass. So I would

[1:55:38] be 34 feet.

[1:55:41] Go down three blocks, they'd be 28 feet.

[1:55:44] You go down three blocks more, they'll

[1:55:46] be 12 feet. And unless you have a survey

[1:55:49] out, you're not going to be able to

[1:55:52] figure out where unless you find your

[1:55:54] survey marker, you're not going to be

[1:55:55] able to um comply.

[1:55:58] Doubly to that, when we ask code

[1:56:00] compliance officers to explain to the

[1:56:02] property owner, where do I cut my hedge?

[1:56:06] It becomes a question that gets

[1:56:07] escalated up to the city manager's

[1:56:09] office because no one really knows. So,

[1:56:12] in speaking with Jamie, you know, he he

[1:56:14] educated me on, you know, the way that F

[1:56:17] dot and and from a roads perspective we

[1:56:19] do it, and feel free to correct if I

[1:56:20] paraphrase it wrong. You measure from

[1:56:23] the basically the corner of the asphalt

[1:56:25] and it's based on true line of sight.

[1:56:28] Um,

[1:56:30] I would like us to have staff to look

[1:56:32] into that under the guidance of of Jamie

[1:56:34] and say, where from the corner of the

[1:56:37] asphalt do we have to be

[1:56:38] >> make it all uniform?

[1:56:39] >> Yeah. So it's just, you know, so like on

[1:56:41] my corner, if it has to be if it's 25

[1:56:44] feet on a major road, great. On the

[1:56:46] corner of that asphalt, it's 25 feet.

[1:56:48] Whether I own 10 feet of that or the

[1:56:50] city owns 15, it doesn't matter.

[1:56:53] >> And and I know technically people aren't

[1:56:56] supposed to be planting in the city

[1:56:58] rightway owned properties that are

[1:57:00] attached to their property, but let's

[1:57:03] face it, the it it's been planted for

[1:57:05] hundred years in some cases, right? and

[1:57:08] we have trees and we have shrubs and

[1:57:09] everything. This, I think, would make

[1:57:11] everyone's lives easier and and make

[1:57:14] this just so easy for for us to explain

[1:57:18] to people because I tried to put

[1:57:19] together

[1:57:20] >> be easier to enforce.

[1:57:21] >> Oh, yeah.

[1:57:22] >> That's the key. I

[1:57:23] >> I tried to put together a little diagram

[1:57:25] and I sent it to William. He's like,

[1:57:26] "Yeah, no, that that's only going to

[1:57:28] work for

[1:57:30] >> Well, you mean the street?"

[1:57:31] >> Yeah. So, so you have you have street

[1:57:34] then potentially curb or you have grass

[1:57:36] and then you have potentially sidewalk.

[1:57:37] All of which doesn't matter from the

[1:57:40] line of sight. It's it's where that

[1:57:42] asphalt meets. You got to see along that

[1:57:46] edge of that asphalt for a certain

[1:57:48] distance. And you know on on small small

[1:57:51] roads I think it's like 14 feet. On um

[1:57:55] major roads it's like 25 or 30. Our

[1:57:58] calculations based on property line get

[1:58:00] there approximately. but inadvertently

[1:58:02] they cause a measurement nightmare where

[1:58:04] we just don't know. So I I would be

[1:58:06] looking for consensus to direct staff to

[1:58:09] standardize it based on the asphalt

[1:58:12] corner if that's what Jamie recommends.

[1:58:15] Um versus the property line.

[1:58:20] >> I'm in

[1:58:22] just to add real quick um when we spoke

[1:58:24] it it's based on traffic safety and

[1:58:28] approaching [clears throat] the

[1:58:28] intersection. So that's kind of how I I

[1:58:31] look at it in the way I come at it just

[1:58:33] from a traffic saving standpoint.

[1:58:37] >> That makes sense.

[1:58:37] >> Which is which is why my lights on.

[1:58:40] >> What?

[1:58:40] >> Which is why my lights on.

[1:58:42] >> Well, Mr. Ser just

[1:58:43] >> No, in regards to his conversation, what

[1:58:45] are you saying?

[1:58:46] >> So, I love that you're we're talking

[1:58:48] about bushes and

[1:58:50] come to the other side of the city and

[1:58:53] you cannot see around all of the

[1:58:54] commercial trucks that are parked in the

[1:58:56] line of sight. I wish I had bushes to

[1:58:58] worry about

[1:59:00] in my little Mini Cooper. If you have

[1:59:02] one corner that you're trying to cross

[1:59:04] and you have and traffic's one way and

[1:59:06] you have something that's bigger than a

[1:59:08] regular pickup truck, you are going to

[1:59:10] get killed trying to cross the street

[1:59:13] >> and they are literally up against the

[1:59:15] corner even they go they go past the the

[1:59:16] stop sign.

[1:59:18] >> So that that to me is a much bigger

[1:59:21] safety issue than some bushes. I'm just

[1:59:23] being honest. No, I'm not saying this to

[1:59:25] you. I'm just saying that I mean if

[1:59:26] we're going to be enforcing this, there

[1:59:28] are people who have nearly been killed

[1:59:30] in this city by trying to cross when

[1:59:33] there's three or four or five of these

[1:59:34] big

[1:59:37] not landscape even even the big white

[1:59:38] box vans, the cargo vans. If there's

[1:59:41] three or four of those on a corner,

[1:59:42] you're going to get squished like a

[1:59:43] great and because the people who own own

[1:59:47] properties who also own businesses can

[1:59:49] have three or four of these trucks and

[1:59:50] park them on the rightway. And it's all

[1:59:52] over Tropical Ridge, Royal Point,

[1:59:54] Sienna, Whispering Palms. You literally

[1:59:56] cannot pull out without almost being

[1:59:58] killed. Not because of bushes, but

[2:00:00] because of commercial trucks.

[2:00:02] >> On on that note,

[2:00:04] >> they can, but then they just they move

[2:00:05] them and then they come back and they

[2:00:06] repark them because we do not have the

[2:00:08] parking division to enforce it. So, so

[2:00:10] on on that note, I I've been re

[2:00:12] reporting a lot of that in in in my

[2:00:15] neighborhood. Um because we we have had

[2:00:16] people almost killed based on the site

[2:00:19] triangle as as well as well as the

[2:00:21] trucks um and parking staff has been

[2:00:25] extraordinarily responsive um to that.

[2:00:28] Um I snap a photo, I send it, and if

[2:00:31] there's somebody on, they're there right

[2:00:33] away. Um, Carlos,

[2:00:38] » like I I think that we're supposed to

[2:00:40] email to

[2:00:41] >> Yeah, we don't

[2:00:42] >> city manager

[2:00:44] >> and the city manager

[2:00:45] >> CC them

[2:00:46] >> because I I mean I've been here for 5

[2:00:48] years. I've never been told that I could

[2:00:50] contact the the parking.

[2:00:52] >> It's the same as you email public works.

[2:00:55] >> I don't do that.

[2:00:56] >> I email the city manager

[2:00:58] >> and then or when it was Mr. Mr.

[2:01:02] Brown. I do send I send Shannon stuff

[2:01:06] for for bulk pickup that's dumped. But

[2:01:09] as far as like the parking and we were

[2:01:11] also to I was told that we have to call

[2:01:13] PBSO if it's on the street, not the

[2:01:16] parking division.

[2:01:17] >> Yeah. I mean I saw garbage today. I I

[2:01:19] wrote Mr. Perry. I copied Tiana. I

[2:01:22] copied Jamie Brown.

[2:01:25] >> Well, this is something different. Well,

[2:01:28] but so, so I I had a long discussion

[2:01:30] with them and it was it was in and about

[2:01:32] the distance from a intersection and

[2:01:34] from a stop sign and on both sides and we went through and we looked at um

[2:01:40] state and county statute and um there's

[2:01:43] a lot of good stuff in there. And then

[2:01:45] they were able to ticket based on on

[2:01:47] that um parking our parking staff

[2:01:50] ticketed.

[2:01:52] And

[2:01:52] >> why have we always been told that PBSO

[2:01:54] is the ones who have to enforce the

[2:01:55] streets?

[2:01:57] And now

[2:02:00] >> I guess I can claim ignorance as being

[2:02:01] the new kid here and stumbled upon a a

[2:02:04] happy mistake.

[2:02:05] >> I mean it's really protocol for us to if

[2:02:06] there's a problem in the city to

[2:02:08] >> I mean I call PBSO on abandoned cars

[2:02:10] that haven't been moved, no tags, no

[2:02:12] plates, flat tires. True.

[2:02:14] >> I send that into an email or I send it

[2:02:16] into PBSO. But I've never as far as I

[2:02:20] was always told is if it's on the

[2:02:21] streets it's PBSO. If it's on property

[2:02:23] it's code and parking. Correct. That's

[2:02:25] usually how we do it, but we'll we'll

[2:02:27] put something official that way we all

[2:02:29] be on the same page.

[2:02:30] >> Yeah, that would I think we have to pay

[2:02:32] attention to the fact that really if

[2:02:34] >> I would like us all to be on the same

[2:02:35] page.

[2:02:36] >> No, I agree. I agree. But I also we

[2:02:38] should be on the same page about how if

[2:02:39] you have a problem, you go to Mr. Perry.

[2:02:42] >> I I would disagree with that. If it's

[2:02:43] something that a citizen can report

[2:02:45] through that channel, I feel I should be

[2:02:46] able to report it through that channel.

[2:02:50] >> You'll never convince me otherwise. I I

[2:02:52] can I can go online. It's a little bit

[2:02:54] different.

[2:02:55] >> Actually, it's not American

[2:02:58] first and

[2:02:59] >> a certain amount of I from my

[2:03:02] perspective there's a certain implied

[2:03:05] like you know we have a lot of people

[2:03:07] with code issues and I I refer them to

[2:03:10] code if I if I have a Yolanda is

[2:03:13] probably the highest that I go the low

[2:03:15] lower that I go but it's in I I did it a

[2:03:18] few years ago and I was told you know

[2:03:20] please don't because us calling

[2:03:24] Yeah, us calling is a little more

[2:03:26] intimidating than a regular person. So

[2:03:29] that's not

[2:03:32] >> what I have practiced and I think it's

[2:03:34] more appropriate.

[2:03:35] >> Okay. But if if there's a pork atl.gov

[2:03:41] where residents can submit street issues

[2:03:44] or report

[2:03:46] stuff like that, we can send stuff to

[2:03:48] that. for parking. If you can call the

[2:03:49] parking division and tell them that,

[2:03:51] hey, somebody's parked in front of my

[2:03:52] driveway or somebody's parked in front

[2:03:54] of a of a stop sign.

[2:03:56] >> City manager.

[2:03:58] >> Yeah.

[2:03:59] >> If you talk to the city manager, it's

[2:04:00] not as bad.

[2:04:03] >> You know, and with all due respect, I I

[2:04:05] understand your opinion on how you want

[2:04:06] to operate. I like

[2:04:07] >> I was instructed when I first was

[2:04:09] elected five and a half years ago.

[2:04:12] >> By who?

[2:04:14] >> Okay, we gonna move this.

[2:04:16] >> No, I didn't. and Mr. Yeah, I was just

[2:04:18] Mr. MC.

[2:04:20] >> Okay. Well,

[2:04:21] >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[2:04:22] >> Anyway, it it it gets things done. So,

[2:04:24] if if you report them

[2:04:26] >> the way we do it anyway, Mr. McCoy,

[2:04:30] >> do you have something to brief comment?

[2:04:34] >> Uh well, the two things I would like to

[2:04:36] make my you know, district one one um

[2:04:39] but I I in in ter

[2:04:43] >> Well, district two then um I got to talk

[2:04:45] to Yeah. No, I need happy where I am. Um

[2:04:50] uh

[2:04:52] I I hear the concern in in relation to

[2:04:55] Commissioner Segrit's comments. Uh I

[2:04:58] hear

[2:05:00] this has been an issue in the past of

[2:05:02] how should commissioners communicate

[2:05:04] with staff and

[2:05:08] I think we've varied around a little bit

[2:05:10] is my experience.

[2:05:12] There is an argument for sending

[2:05:13] everything through the city manager. If

[2:05:16] I was the city manager, I would say,

[2:05:18] "Boy, that doesn't seem very efficient."

[2:05:20] Copying the city manager seems like a

[2:05:23] really good idea. And if there isn't

[2:05:25] some good reason to go directly to

[2:05:28] somebody else, then sure, send it to the

[2:05:30] city manager. Uh but if if it is an

[2:05:34] effective way you know to report it to

[2:05:37] directly I know that in the past in

[2:05:40] years past it's a while now uh Jamie

[2:05:43] would come to neighborhood associate

[2:05:44] meeting and say hey if you have a

[2:05:45] problem and he was not the city manager

[2:05:47] at that point he was public works here's

[2:05:49] my cell phone just give me a call

[2:05:51] because it works to get it done um you

[2:05:54] know I thought that was pretty

[2:05:55] reasonable I thought it was generous of

[2:05:57] him to make it available

[2:06:00] um

[2:06:01] >> still.

[2:06:02] >> So I I I in terms of policy,

[2:06:06] yes, keep the city manager informed, but

[2:06:09] if you if it works to get it to Carlos

[2:06:12] or whoever, I don't think we should get

[2:06:14] in the way of that.

[2:06:16] >> But okay. Um do I get to say anything or

[2:06:20] >> you had a chance?

[2:06:24] >> I believed that I I visited the hospital

[2:06:26] on the way. Um so it's an excused bit of

[2:06:30] a chance to go home. Yes.

[2:06:33] >> Just just really quick before we got

[2:06:34] off, did we get consensus on the site

[2:06:36] triangle measurement?

[2:06:38] >> Yes. The sight triangle base it on the physical sight triangle thing, not

[2:06:44] on the property line. I didn't know that

[2:06:45] it was

[2:06:46] >> As we're as we're sitting here, I'm

[2:06:47] getting blown up by a local realer who

[2:06:50] lives on my street who's giving me all

[2:06:51] the Florida statue because he's

[2:06:52] listening to the meeting and he's like,

[2:06:53] "You the residents don't

[2:06:59] » I don't Okay, that's a record.

[2:07:01] >> Um I will save it for my next meeting

[2:07:04] then.

[2:07:05] >> All righty.

[2:07:07] I want to be real quick. We have um

[2:07:12] Thank you. There's a

[2:07:15] uh on uh Labor Day weekend, there's

[2:07:18] going to be a mango festival downtown on

[2:07:21] J Street that um Pomona, I believe, is

[2:07:24] sponsoring. And that sounds like a lot

[2:07:26] of fun. If you didn't get a chance to

[2:07:28] see In the Heights at the theater, sorry

[2:07:30] you blew it because it was the most

[2:07:32] amazing show. I saw it the other night

[2:07:34] with a bunch of elected ladies and I'm

[2:07:36] going back on on Sunday. Um, we had a

[2:07:41] board Sunday's last day and it sold out.

[2:07:46] >> Yeah, they they sometimes have an odd

[2:07:47] seat, but it's it's it was remarkable.

[2:07:50] Um, and it was young kids and that was

[2:07:52] the great thing. It was like a whole

[2:07:53] bunch of young kids and it was just the energy and the production itself was

[2:07:57] terrific. Uh we had a board meeting of

[2:08:00] the Palm Beach County League of Cities

[2:08:02] and we're working in sort of an

[2:08:04] organized fashion to address the

[2:08:06] property property um

[2:08:10] tax [clears throat] bill um because

[2:08:12] everyone's freaking out about it a lot.

[2:08:14] And animal care and control is coming

[2:08:15] down. they spoke and they are coming

[2:08:17] down much harder on uh fines for animal

[2:08:20] mistreatment, animal abuse. They're

[2:08:22] coming I'll bring I'll share with all of

[2:08:24] you. I have a piece of paper and it was really it was great. Um

[2:08:29] we had our lunchon last week for the

[2:08:31] Palm Beach County League. Sarah and I

[2:08:34] were given

[2:08:36] a home hero and we don't know why Mimi

[2:08:40] wasn't. Um, so

[2:08:44] I agree with Miss, you know, I I have

[2:08:46] two friends in nursing homes and the

[2:08:48] majority of the people that work there

[2:08:49] are Haitian and they are caretakers and

[2:08:51] they are hardworking and I can't see

[2:08:53] anybody else coming to take care of my

[2:08:55] 85year-old friend with dementia. So, um,

[2:08:58] I'm meeting with the Guatemalan

[2:09:00] consulate very soon.

[2:09:04] >> Um,

[2:09:06] so um, that's all I have. Mr.

[2:09:11] Harry.

[2:09:12] >> Yes, ma'am. Mayor, I have two two

[2:09:14] issues. Uh, just a reminder, this the

[2:09:18] clerk is requesting permission to

[2:09:22] advertise a 5 p.m. special meeting for

[2:09:25] the uh interviews for the planning and

[2:09:27] zoning board on August 25th. She I

[2:09:30] believe she mentioned that uh last week.

[2:09:33] >> Yeah, I won't be here. I'll be

[2:09:34] >> here. Let me but

[2:09:36] >> planning and zoning board uh interviews

[2:09:38] for additional members on August 25th

[2:09:41] starting at 5:00 pm special meeting.

[2:09:45] Is it okay or do we have majority or

[2:09:50] >> you're not here?

[2:09:51] >> I'll be in

[2:09:54] >> because you probably put I think I think

[2:09:58] probably put

[2:10:01] » I I won't be here. So that's two down.

[2:10:04] >> Oh, we got two down.

[2:10:10] » We can try to need I come back with

[2:10:12] another date.

[2:10:13] >> Wait a second. [clears throat]

[2:10:20] » Oh, no. Wait. August 25th.

[2:10:22] >> August 25th.

[2:10:24] >> That's uh Tuesday.

[2:10:27] >> Yes, it is a regular meeting day.

[2:10:31] >> All right. I should be here.

[2:10:34] I was looking at Chela.

[2:10:35] >> Okay. So, we have four. That's

[2:10:37] >> Yeah, we'll do that. Thank you.

[2:10:38] >> I trust I trust you all actually.

[2:10:41] >> Okay.

[2:10:42] >> Um I mean I can see if there's

[2:10:43] connection where I'm going to be, but

[2:10:44] I'm going to be the country.

[2:10:47] >> Okay. One one more thing. Um, I believe

[2:10:50] this was brought up at the um, agenda

[2:10:53] review as well for the 911 program

[2:10:57] whether or not it was okay to have the

[2:10:59] agenda workshop on 910 day before so we

[2:11:04] can sponsor some type of event on 911

[2:11:07] that morning.

[2:11:08] >> I think that's when only you and I were

[2:11:10] left Chris remember and we were like

[2:11:11] maybe we should ask everybody else too.

[2:11:14] Instead on 911 there's going to be a

[2:11:16] thing a program

[2:11:19] on 911.

[2:11:21] >> So but we

[2:11:24] >> they're doing

[2:11:27] >> no no this is

[2:11:28] >> no the 10th is budget

[2:11:30] >> is the budget meeting about 9 a.m. to

[2:11:33] have agenda meeting

[2:11:34] >> agenda meeting instead of the next day.

[2:11:40] Correct. Correct.

[2:11:45] I can do that. Okay. Consensus or

[2:11:48] >> consensus. You do that.

[2:11:50] >> Consent.

[2:11:52] >> Um I won't. Yeah.

[2:11:54] >> It's okay.

[2:11:55] >> Yeah.

[2:11:58] >> Make sure it's on your calendar. So

[2:11:59] >> yeah.

[2:12:00] >> And that's all I have. Mayor, thank you.

[2:12:02] >> Thank you. And what when is that 911?

[2:12:05] What time is that going to be?

[2:12:07] >> On I believe it's going to start like

[2:12:09] 8:00

[2:12:10] >> in the morning.

[2:12:11] >> Yeah. because maybe 8 o'clock

[2:12:12] [clears throat] or 8:30. Remember the

[2:12:13] first tower hit around 8:46 that

[2:12:15] morning.

[2:12:16] >> Yeah.

[2:12:16] >> So, it's gonna be expect

[2:12:20] >> um

[2:12:21] >> just saying.

[2:12:21] >> Oh, I also want to mention the citizens

[2:12:24] um institute is starting up and and I

[2:12:27] think there's so far there's a pretty

[2:12:28] good sign up for it.

[2:12:29] >> Correct.

[2:12:31] >> Mr. attorney

[2:12:33] >> on the uh property tax uh constitutional

[2:12:35] amendment. Uh that is obviously

[2:12:37] beginning to heat up lots of areas, lots

[2:12:39] of discussions where you probably all

[2:12:42] saw a story recently where some service

[2:12:44] councils in the county predict that

[2:12:46] there'll be less summer camps for

[2:12:48] children property taxes. Martin County

[2:12:51] just announced they probably lay 119

[2:12:53] firefighters. So you're starting to see

[2:12:55] a lot more public information. I know

[2:12:57] the legislature has somewhat restricted

[2:12:59] what cities and governments can do, but

[2:13:02] there's no restriction and I certainly

[2:13:04] been has to speak to lots of groups

[2:13:06] about what can they do, whether it's

[2:13:07] vendors, customers, you know, uh so I'm

[2:13:11] I don't know if you're seeing that, but

[2:13:12] already starting to see a lot of

[2:13:14] organized opposition, people saying, you

[2:13:16] know, not to vote to vote against that

[2:13:19] amendment three. One of the legislators,

[2:13:21] I forget, I read the paper said it's not

[2:13:23] the business of a city to provide summer

[2:13:25] camp for kids.

[2:13:27] >> Right. I said 12.

[2:13:29] >> Yeah. Well, this is the whole thing when

[2:13:30] we had the conference two years ago and

[2:13:32] the guy from Doge came and he was, you

[2:13:35] know, it's not wasteful spending. Mo,

[2:13:38] their focus is on wrong spending,

[2:13:40] judging what we spend our money on.

[2:13:42] Camps, you can cut them out. Libraries,

[2:13:45] who needs them these days, who needs to

[2:13:47] read? So, um, that's all you have.

[2:13:50] >> That's it.

[2:13:51] >> And it's wonderful news about the appeal

[2:13:53] in favor of the city. Big news.

[2:13:55] >> I should mention that, right? So, uh,

[2:13:58] you know, we've been in litigation with

[2:13:59] Mr. Beer for decades, literally. Um,

[2:14:03] pretty short time as a police officer.

[2:14:06] And uh you know, we had that lawsuit a

[2:14:08] couple of years ago arguing about

[2:14:10] whether the city was obligated to

[2:14:11] provide anything more than the basic

[2:14:13] health insurance, which was what we

[2:14:15] agreed to in the in the settlement

[2:14:17] agreement with him about a previous

[2:14:18] litigation. And the jury uh found

[2:14:23] somehow the 7.1 million verdict with

[2:14:27] interest is almost 10 million nowadays.

[2:14:29] Um and thankfully the fourth district

[2:14:32] court of appeals has overruled that.

[2:14:34] They have entered a 17page order finding

[2:14:36] that the settlement agreement was

[2:14:39] unambiguous which the parties had agreed

[2:14:41] that it was unambiguous and that the

[2:14:42] trial court should have ruled on that

[2:14:44] and not sent that to the jury. That's

[2:14:46] the essence of it. A jury is supposed to

[2:14:48] decide facts. The judge is supposed to

[2:14:50] decide law and legal arguments and the

[2:14:52] judge in that case did not. So the

[2:14:54] fourth district took a step further uh

[2:14:57] not just directing the trial judge to

[2:14:59] say you go back and you decide the

[2:15:02] issue. they decided the issue. They

[2:15:03] said, "No, we've interpreted this

[2:15:05] contract. We've read this contract and

[2:15:07] um amazing.

[2:15:08] >> You know, we the city has complied

[2:15:09] because to this day, we still provide

[2:15:11] Mr. Vier and his family with agreed upon

[2:15:13] health insurance, but that's all we're

[2:15:15] supposed to provide." So, I would

[2:15:17] anticipate that they will continue to

[2:15:18] try and appeal that. I don't think

[2:15:20] there's much chance that they're going

[2:15:22] to uh

[2:15:22] >> to the Supreme Court,

[2:15:23] >> right, to get the Florida Florida

[2:15:26] Supreme Court to look at this. Um, so

[2:15:29] it'll probably be another four to six

[2:15:31] months till it is done done because they

[2:15:33] will exhaust and I would if I was in

[2:15:35] their shoes to exhaust every possible

[2:15:37] appellet remedy, but uh at some point in

[2:15:40] the next few months there should be a

[2:15:41] very official hopefully ending to this

[2:15:44] saga.

[2:15:45] >> Well, I have a trial in front of that

[2:15:46] very same judge on August 6. I can

[2:15:48] hardly wait.

[2:15:50] >> Motion to adjurnn.

[2:15:52] >> Do I have a second?

[2:15:53] >> Second

[2:15:53] >> by Mr. McCoy. Davidson.

July 28, 2026 - Lake Worth Beach City Commission Regular Meeting

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