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Thank you, sir. Y'all take care. Be safe.
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All right. Now back up to resolution number two, approving an
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annual promissory note for the Gateway TIF. Can I get a motion to bring this to the
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floor? Motion. Second. All right. Paul? Okay, I'm gonna turn this primarily over to Al
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to explain it to you, but now I'll just stop right there and let you talk with me.
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Good afternoon, the board and the chairman.
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So this resolution is approving a promissory note on the Gateway project that we've previously
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entered into a TIF financing on this project itself, where we approved a note, loan documents,
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the Pledge of TIF revenues, the same thing we've done in other TIF projects, we did
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a financing going into and of itself.
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This promissory note has annual renewal.
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As you know, the IDB is the technically the borrower under the TIF notes.
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That's how we're able to replace the TIF revenues.
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The same as what this note, the same as the other note is going through.
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We are not pledging any tax dollars to the City of Lakeland,
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or the IDB is not guaranteeing the note going in and of itself.
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It's simply a promissory note going in and of itself for the annual renewal process.
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Our only obligation will be to provide the tax increment revenues as they come due to us.
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Which, again, as we know that comes, happens, I want to say, twice a year.
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But, again, it's the same thing we've done in the past.
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There's no rhyme or reason to it.
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It's just, again, it's just that anyone who is going through that process.
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Again, with the IDB being the borrower,
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we wanted to make sure that Mr. Luker had authority from the IDB to sign it,
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to sign the note itself. It's just for authority purposes.
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Any questions on this one?
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Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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I think we're good. Thanks, Hal. Thanks, Paul.
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All in favor of approving the resolution for the promissory note?
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Say aye.
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Aye.
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All opposed?
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All right. Resolution is approved.
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Next up, number three, resolution approving draw request 27 in connection with the tax
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increment financing for Ashmont developer LLC.
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Can I get a motion to bring this to the floor?
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Motion.
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Second.
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Thank you all.
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So this is a draw request for Ashmont development.
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What's a little different, and why I say this is actually being funded, this draw
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is actually being funded out of the developer's equity.
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So it's, Al, you can try to explain that.
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So the developer is funding this TIF, not through the loan itself, but through their own equity
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going forward.
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Obviously they're asking the IDB to approve this development.
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In the event there's more TIF dollars come through this, they come through.
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If there's a surplus, they wouldn't be able to access the surplus.
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Right now they don't have anything else going through, their loan is tapped out,
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But, again, in the event there's a surplus going on of itself, they want to be able to
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say they've gone through the process, you know what I mean, and allow this to be paid
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from the TIF dollars.
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We've done this before.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
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Again, easier to, as we understand, it's easier to ask for this commission now, when it's
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been done going through, as opposed to years from now, when there's excess that we
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don't know about it.
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Any
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questions on this one?
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All right, none. All in favor of approving the draw request
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for Ashmen? Say aye.
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Aye.
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Oh, opposed.
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All right, resolution is approved.
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Thank you, All!
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All
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right, next up. Resolution number five, stipend request for IDV President Paul Lielker.
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or can I get a motion to bring this to the floor?
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Motion.
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Second.
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All right.
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Thank you.
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Paul, I appreciate if you'll kind of direct us to this
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and just remind us what was with the previous president.
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I guess that's the first one.
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I think this is the same as we did for the previous one.
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Do you want more while you're up there?
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A thousand times.
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It's following the same formula that was used previously for the president.
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The stipend is coming out of TIF revenues to pay the stipend.
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Appreciate what you do for us, Paul.
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Thank you.
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So the stipend comes out of the TIF revenues?
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Yes.
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It's not general fund.
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It does not affect the general fund.
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Oh, that makes you feel that way.
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Or under the current aid, doesn't it?
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That makes you feel a little bit excited.
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I was about to have a problem with you getting paid as much as our commissioners and our
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mayor.
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Don't go there.
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Don't go there.
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Well, yeah, certainly, you know, I appreciate the work you're doing, Paul.
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I know you're still new into it, but just just thank you much. You've definitely jumped in
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You know and and and just just ran with it. You know really appreciate it
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Well, I'm excited to get to work with you guys
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I was telling you our phone call the other day that I've worked with economic development teams before in my previous jobs
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Most of that was an industrial economic development. It was and we we made some some retail
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We ran attempts to recruit retail, we weren't all that successful with that.
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We were very successful with some of the industrial stuff that we did, but I've been on some of
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those teams, but never got to have the reins in my hand for extended periods of time.
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So I'm excited about just giving it a try.
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I would also like to say how much I appreciate all you've done, and in general I support
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you know us using some of the funds that we have to help pay for the work that
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you're doing with that being said or the president does with that being said I
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think it's very important for us to also kind of say what some of our
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expectations are right I agree and my expectation is that generally the
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president of the board is present at these meetings and so you know as far
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that goes for me not to say that you have to be at every meeting or you can
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never but but I do if I will push to rescind the stipend if all of a sudden we
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start having meetings you know four or five six seven meetings where the
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president of the board is not here so I
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had to say that matter and again
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that's nothing for you I'm just I don't think we made that clear the
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last time we did this and so I feel like no I agree
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I mean, because it's one of those things where, you know, $500 I know is not a lot of money,
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but it's not a small amount of money.
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So I mean, it has to kind of go hand in hand, you know, there has to be a sense of accountability
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in order to, you know, just show up once and I got this, I got that, and actually, you
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know, we see in May, and I got this and I got that, oh wait, it's August, you
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know, that kind of thing.
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You can't have this kind of interaction if you're not.
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Absolutely. No, I agree.
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I got points and thank y'all.
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Anything else?
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Seeing no further comments, let's call the vote.
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All in favor of the stipend resolution, say aye.
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Aye.
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All opposed?
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The resolution is approved.
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Okay.
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Next up, number six,
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discussion, marketing strategy for city-owned properties.
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can I get a motion? Second. Thank you. There's
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two maps. So this first map is our
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city on properties. Now that's a little confusing because it was just some of
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those are park properties and some yeah but really what I wanted to talk about
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with the two city properties that we that we acquired through the there's
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some of our combination efforts so there's the one acre lot next to the
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church that they're currently using for overflow parking and then there's the
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site of the relax in so really what I put this on the agenda for was just do
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some preliminary brainstorming or just to not even brainstorm unless you
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have unless you already have some thoughts but to put this in your in
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your thoughts as to how we could maybe see those properties develop, right? So one,
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the one by the church it's just an acre, it's not that big, but there are things
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you, there are potentials that you could. But you still get 15,000 square feet. Sure.
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And then the relax inside, it's bigger, but it has access issues because
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it's you know because of the median there in front of it. Isn't there five
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acres attached to that too that's over there? Which one are you testing?
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Relaxing. There's some property behind it but we do not control it. I thought we
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had that one okay. No no we have talked about it we talked about easements we
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talked about but so that it may evolve into us thinking thinking along
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those lines too because there's those ideals are still out there but I
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I think it seems like this is low-hanging fruit
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in that it's got good location.
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And so maybe this is not meant to be statements
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or kind of question statements, right?
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So that just seems like that would be a place to start.
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If y'all think differently, I'd be glad to hear it.
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Also, if you have ideals about maybe things
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we can try to pursue, you know, go knock on somebody's door and say, hey, we got this
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site.
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What do you think about it?
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So if you have those ideas, I'd be glad to hear them as well.
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Oh, where are they, where are they zoned, zoning on these things?
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C2.
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All of them.
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So they're commercial.
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Yeah, they're all commercial.
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And they're all within the boundaries of the TIFT district, too.
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I believe all those are captured within the TIFT district.
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So I've got, I'll be working on some things too, you know, the ideals, but I didn't want to belay it.
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I'm hitting you with a cold, but that's really, I just wanted to start that ideal of thinking about.
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So essentially those are two most attractive and we're going to start with them.
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It feels like it, yes.
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Yes, absolutely.
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That's big enough for a grocery though, right?
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Not big enough for a grocery.
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What on the access to each of those is the, is the main, I'm sorry, the access to each
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of those is the main thing when you, you know, you can only get to the one coming southbound
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on Canada and then the other one you actually have to go out and around, you know, so that's
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the hardest part to market any of those is that you have limited, so, so the one acre
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site will be across, across from the community center when it's built, right, so you're
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going to have some foot traffic going to the community center so you may have
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something that you could play off of that right because you'll have daycare at
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the community center you'll have recreation there so you you know you
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could I mean I'm not saying a coffee shop but I'm gonna say coffee shop because
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I can't think of anything else right now but some small 15,000 not that
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small right but but that's not small at all no but so you know no I told you
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because I was I was when I was there because I've been thinking about it
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since it was brought up and you know I've got a few ideas but but the main
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thing that keeps coming back to me is that especially with there being a
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community center right there and it's gonna be a bunch of you know mixed
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stages you know the ultimate mixed age you know we have one I mean technically
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we have two but really we have one sandwich shop in the whole city I know
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we're not the biggest we're a little over 11,000 but Arlington guy was about
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like what 2,500 3,000 people and they've got like seven sandwich shops yeah
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so I mean I think we get support too yeah but before I get too far ahead of
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Next month, Will Patterson is going to come talk to us about doing this, right?
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Because we've got to make sure we're not stepping over the line.
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We do have a little more flexibility in the preliminary conversation with Will than the city itself would.
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In my mind, if the city would have to take advertise for proposals or just do a land auction, right?
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I mean, we don't just get to go say, hey, we're going to work a deal with you, right?
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We, you have to make general, the general public know what your intentions are so you
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can get, it doesn't look like a problem.
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Backroom deal, right? But I do believe we have a little more flexibility talking to
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Will as an IDB. But I'll let him, I'll let him explain.
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Church interested in buying it, or could we use it for overflow parking for the
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community center? Those are, those are two, those are two ideals as well. Yes, and
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those, those don't require. I know, what kind of revenue does
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over new overflow parking place. It's such a small thing. I'm just asking. I'm 15,000
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square feet. I'm assuming that we create more money than overflow parking. We'll put parking
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meters in there. Because you and your friends love talking about money. Y'all always talking
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about money. So we have a chance to make some. We have a chance to bring it up before
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you. We're just going to put parking meters in there. There you go. Parking meters.
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I just throw a couple quarters in there. Now Paul, thank you much for bringing this
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up and as a continuation of the last time Wilt was in here, we started talking about
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there or at least introduced the concepts and looking forward to next month with him
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as well.
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Did you all have anything else on this?
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When do we expect the community center to be started and completed?
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So the groundbreaking is on next Thursday at 1 p.m. so we encourage anybody that's
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available to come out, come to that.
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The notice for seed was issued to the contractor,
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Moss Carpenter is the contractor,
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so they'll be starting just in the next few weeks
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weather permitting.
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There's weather coming?
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What?
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Okay.
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All right, and do we have an estimated
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like a target completion date for that?
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Is that a two-year build?
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It's about an 18-month build.
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18-month build.
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So yeah, so we're trying for next summer,
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but it could be summer to fall just depending on lead time on materials whether you know all the things but
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We're targeting for you know summer or early fall of next year.
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Yeah, I just I think that
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It might be beneficial for this board to sit down and really look at how
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Like what all is going to be included in the community center? What all is going to be like how's
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the traffic's expected to flow, how the parking like we talked about is expected
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to be set up, because we say, oh it's right across the street from Community
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Center, but if it's out the back door, right, and no one can get there, then
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it's not really, it's, I just, I think before we start throwing out a bunch
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of ideas, it'd be really good to sit down and think about what's there, how's
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it going to be shaped, and then is there anything that we think would
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maybe be some ideal fits for that kind of a setup again. I just, just my two sons.
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We could distribute the site plan and you'll be able to tell what, you know, what, you know,
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where's the early learning center and where's the impression under the initial like site
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plans that they did like the whole caricature kind of sketch. Yes. It was pretty much
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360 which really isn't a backdoor right there's it's just multiple entrances and exits throughout the whole space and like a
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Large portion of it can actually convert from an open to from an open area place center to a closed place center
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And so I mean there's there from what I understand is it's gonna be a lot more accessible from pretty much every angle
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We could definitely if y'all won't say we can put it on the agenda for next month
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to talk about the site plan and I mean at this point you know so if it's a
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community center and there's fitness stuff and stuff like that there you know
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I don't know that we have one of those healthy shake places around there used to
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be one on Arlington I don't know that there's one around here I know me and
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my daughter all the way to German town for one there's one in the corner by
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orders theory there's one next door to it okay yeah oh gotcha gotcha gotcha
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and then there's another one on 64 but to that point they're not right
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they're next to you know when my daughter got done with her sweat and
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she'd go and have one of those or right now she has a kid so it's a she goes to
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work out if she comes out and there's one she can see yep you know well I'm
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interested in there's also there's also there I don't know how much racket
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sports will have at the community center but what about a racket you know
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like something that sells pickleball stuff and tennis and and racquetball and
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like that again I think that's why we should really look at what's there and
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then what we're missing and and again we ultimately don't have to say
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anyways ultimately whoever buys that piece of property is gonna have to say
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what they do want it but but I think some creative thought process could
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help and process excuse me if it's something that we thought would be
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successful we'll go try to knock on some doors and say hey we got you come look at
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what we got yeah well certainly to y'all's point yeah I think it'd be a good
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idea to help us you know visualize what it is what we're what we're talking about
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you know we end on yeah because it's that what we're talking about there
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would be true for the for the relax inside as well they're there the
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The Ashmont and the community center are going to be put
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trivacals.
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Well, yeah.
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I mean, Ashmont more for the relax, and again, in my mind, and maybe I'm looking at this
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completely wrong, but I'm thinking about me as a driver, I'm thinking me as a citizen,
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I'm thinking me as a customer, a member, right?
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The way the traffic patterns are set up and the way we're doing it, those are
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to me two disconnected pieces of property not connected, right? Unless we did
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something significant for walking bridges over the interstate or not the
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interstate but Canada Road or something like that, like at July 4th parking at
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the gas station and playing Frogger to get across the street to try to get to
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the fireworks place, right? Like you see people doing that, it's crazy.
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Not
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be crazy.
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Anyway, so I think the Ashmont probably has a little bit more what
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developments have going on in Ashmont, you know, and how does that impact relax in,
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whereas I really do think that the biggest value that we're going to bring
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is who and how many people and what sort of footsteps. I mean as a business
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that's what you're going to care about, right? What's the
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What's the impressions?
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What's the footsteps?
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Yeah, who's gonna walk through the door?
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Probably physical therapy,
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because people like me will get in there
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and do things we shouldn't do,
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and then need like a therapist.
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Anything else?
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All right.
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We'll move on to the final,
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seeing no further discussion on number six.
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Number seven, discussion,
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positive procedures for general requests.
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Can you get a motion to bring this to the floor,
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please?
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Motion.
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Second.
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Okay,
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this is, don't shoot the message, this is me, I'm the messenger, but I want it open.
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And so this is, this goes back to what mainly what we've been meeting on, you've been meeting
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for the last past what, two, two plus years, approving draw request, right?
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So the way the draw request is set up is that, you know, the bank makes a loan based
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stone us a set of improvements that are that are qualified under the TIF developer
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puts those in and then we have a 30-party expert go and inspect it and document it so
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once that's done I mean it's an administrative process it so what I'm
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bring this up is because it makes your your life harder because you have to come
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to meetings to vote on something that really I don't say how you can turn it
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down at the expert said it was done right unless you found something wrong
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which we're always open to that it's the time crunch between the developer
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submitting for payment and us being able to meet so it's it's it's a
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burden on the developer, it's a burden on you. For me, it's fine either way. It's fine.
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But it seems to me like, and I'm not asking first to make any decisions tonight, so that's
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why I'm just a discussion, but just consider that some of these tasks would be administrative
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and not require y'all to meet and have a vote on them. And that's, just want to
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start that conversation.
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I've talked to both Al and Will about this ideal.
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First thing they say is, Paul, we're the only IDB that does it this way.
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So, sorry, were you done?
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I am.
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Yes, sir.
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Okay.
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100% agree that we've already committed the funds and then we get together and we
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just approve it and no one ever objects.
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I don't necessarily disagree with any of that.
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I would say the one thing that we get from approving the TIF request the way we do
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is that we're able to kind of ask for developers to come in and give us some updates
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when we would like to have updates.
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So if we're going to do it as an administrative, change it to be more administrative,
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I would think this board, based on my history with the board,
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would like to have maybe once a quarter or bi-yearly, you know, something, bi-annually
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report-outs from the developers because I think that's what the board would like, just based
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on the questions I see.
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No, I totally agree because I mean, it's kind of crazy because I'm due to the board.
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You know, these are old-timers compared to me.
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But the point is that-
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Thank you.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely, but I thought that was weird at first, my first guy on this board was, we
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were all here to vote on it, it's if that the developer wasn't here to accept.
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That blew me away.
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I was like, so the developer wants $300,000, but they didn't show up.
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You see what I mean?
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It's kind of like he's disrespecting us, saying, why are y'all here?
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Like trying to play stupid, like, why are y'all here?
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All you guys have to do is just turn it over to somebody else, let them sign it off, you
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just stay home.
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You know, that's what I did, you know, in his or her perspective, and I just, you know,
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it's one of those things where if we do decide to make it administrative, that's fine.
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I agree with him, you know, get an updated recorder, but if we don't decide that and
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we decide to stay it face to face, they need to start bringing their butts up in
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here and showing us some respect.
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If they want that money, the least they can do is come and show up.
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Well, I see, I mean, I get your point also, but then to the other extent, they have already done all the stuff.
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They did the dog and pony to say, hey, we've earned it.
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And we pay somebody to look at it and say, you're right, you do earn it.
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So I would agree it's more administrative to have them sit in front of us.
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It would be better just to say, hey, we've put it on the calendar once a quarter, you know, by annually or whatnot,
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You need to come up and say it and split them out or what not in my thought
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You'd still get all the all the same information you get now in a report
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You'd still get the same stuff that was provided to you tonight. It's you still get it
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But just be as a report
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So you still track still track it and we just let them up front
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You got to come you got to come once a quarter and and let us talk to you
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Yeah, and I mean they do come in and Jeff and they'll spend an hour or two hours with us
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before we approach the post.
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I've seen a developer in here twice.
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I get 100 percent, 100 percent.
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And then we also have to have these rushed meetings at the end of the year or round
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travel times and again,
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the only thing I want to be able to vote on as a board
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is like what we did tonight right where we've committed 13 million dollars or
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14 million dollars and now it's like well there may be excess I mean I have my
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own opinions on that right think we had a deal we agreed 13 million bucks like
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if all of a sudden the vi property value goes up I don't know that I feel as
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obligated as a board to then hand that money back over for the next 20
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years like you know I just think there's times where we need to have that debate
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and sometimes it makes sense to do it and sometimes it doesn't so changes like
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that I'm sure would still come to us correct like if someone like what we the
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vote we had tonight about extending the TIF if future TIF funds come
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available like the loan the loan the update of the loan not the update of
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the loan, the Ashcroft TIF, where we said look they've spent all their money on
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their their TIF. Yeah. But if more property tax gets collected than is
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projected, we're going to give that money also back to the developer to pay on
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their loans. I would think that I would still want to come in front of the
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board. Oh no, absolutely, I agree. I think that would have to, but that's
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It's probably an out question to be honest with you, but I believe that has to come back
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to you, even based on how I was explaining it tonight, it seemed like that was our passion.
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Yeah, that's how I would take it too.
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But paying what we've already committed to pay if the experts have signed off on it.
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We probably can't do anything about it tonight.
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We probably need more details and proposals, but fully on board with that, happy to
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Give the president of the ID be the power to sign that you just saying
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We can we can we can bring it back next month if you
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Think about it. I don't know. I don't know. I'm in the middle. I can't decide if it's the right thing.
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I just know we have never said no. We've never said no.
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Not a single person has ever said no. Not only has not a vote failed, not a single person has said no.
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We came really close like two months ago because the paperwork wasn't filled out right.
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But now it's being filled out right. I'm just saying.
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And we appreciate you all making sure of that.
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So there's no action for tonight, but I think what we're hearing, anybody of Jack, but I
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think what we're hearing is do work with Al, come back next month potentially, right, with
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with what we need to do to affect that,
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perhaps debate on it and certainly vote on it.
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We're not making the decision tonight,
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but I know that I would like,
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and it sounds like the rest would at least like
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to understand the details, what it looked like.
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All right, cool,
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all right.
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Seeing no further discussion on that,
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we'll move on to any announcements.
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We already made the, she let it out early, the groundbreaking.
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Yep, absolutely.
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All right.
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In that case, all in favor of adjourning, say aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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All in favor of adjourning.
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Say aye.
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All opposed.
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All right.
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The meeting is adjourned.