[0:03] okay uh good evening everyone uh city

[0:07] council the City attorney and the city

[0:09] manager nice to see you we're here for closed session conference

[0:15] with legal council initiation of

[0:16] litigation government code health and

[0:18] safety code

[0:20] 54956.9

[0:22] D4 and um is there any public comment

[0:27] tonight no not seeing or hearing any

[0:30] anybody jump up is there anyone on Zoom

[0:32] no one on Zoom no one on Zoom well um

[0:35] let's uh move to close

[0:38] session are we moving

[0:43] yeah you know what we didn't have the

[0:45] door

[0:58] open

[1:18] uh thank you

[1:20] for uh acceptance of agenda and

[1:24] urgency uh move to accept agenda as

[1:27] posted or move to add or delete items

[1:30] I'll make a motion to accept the agenda

[1:32] as posted second I have a motion in a

[1:35] second all in favor I uh hearing none opposed uh the motion

[1:42] carries uh consent

[1:45] agenda put my glasses on for

[1:51] this the consent the following consent

[1:54] agen items are expected to be routine

[1:56] and non-controversial they will be acted

[1:59] upon by the council at one time without

[2:02] discussion any council member May

[2:04] request that any item be removed from

[2:06] the consent agenda for discussion under

[2:09] the regular agenda removed items will be

[2:12] considered following the consent

[2:14] calendar portion of this agenda consent

[2:18] agenda a wave reading accept by title of

[2:21] ordinances under consideration at this

[2:23] meeting for either introduction or

[2:25] passage per government code section 3693

[2:30] 4 B approved minutes of the city council

[2:35] regular meeting for February 6

[2:38] 2024 and the special meeting of February

[2:41] 13

[2:43] 2024 C approve application for

[2:54] 2024-25

[2:56] election they adopt an ordinance of the

[2:58] city council of of the city of Lakeport

[3:01] amending section

[3:03] 2.10.1 one0 of chapter

[3:07] 2.10 of title two of the Lakeport

[3:09] municipal code to authorize the C city

[3:12] manager to sign written contracts and

[3:15] convences and have design approval and

[3:22] Authority

[3:24] would uh would anybody like to uh poll

[3:28] would anybody from the council like to

[3:29] pull any of these items for further

[3:32] discussion not hearing that would

[3:34] anybody in the public like to pull any

[3:36] of these items for further

[3:39] discussion Danny which item would you

[3:41] like to pull C

[3:47] okay

[3:49] um

[3:51] so the technically only the council can

[3:54] pull items but if the mayor or if

[3:57] somebody else wants to pull an item

[3:59] based on

[4:00] public feedback that's fine but just

[4:02] please let us know which um I I'll I'll

[4:05] approve pulling that for Danny so that

[4:06] he can speak on that so uh can I have a

[4:09] motion on the other three public com on

[4:12] the remainders as well pardon you get

[4:14] need to get public comment on the

[4:16] remaining uh consent agenda okay thank

[4:18] you and we can take public comment

[4:20] without pulling the item correct that is

[4:22] correct so if you want to just let Danny

[4:26] come up and give his public comment then

[4:28] one of us can if we want to pull the

[4:31] item and discuss it okay Danny would you

[4:33] like to come

[4:37] forward Danny wind I'll be back for

[4:39] another agenda item later but um I just

[4:42] wanted to mention that on item c um I am

[4:45] in support of approval but there's um

[4:48] debris and overgrowth on the western

[4:50] sidewalk there on what they're they're

[4:53] requesting um I just noticed because I

[4:55] walk by very often and see that there's

[4:58] overgrowth on that sidewalk there and so

[5:00] just thinking about uh the voters that

[5:02] are coming coming in that day and having

[5:04] a clear sidewalk thanks okay thank you

[5:09] Dany all right then Stacy um we can move

[5:13] forward with all four of them can I get

[5:15] a motion from somebody yeah Mr Mayor if

[5:18] there's nothing further I'll want to

[5:19] make sure we've got public comment from

[5:21] Danny room as well

[5:26] wind I just was wondering if there was

[5:28] I'm sorry is there anybody online Nick

[5:30] uh there's a couple participants online

[5:32] but I'm seeing No Hands raised for this

[5:34] item can I get a motion yes with nothing

[5:37] further Mr Mayor I move to approve the

[5:38] consent agenda second got a motion in a

[5:42] second all those in favor I I any

[5:45] opposed not hearing any the motion

[5:49] carries public presentations and

[5:52] requests public

[5:54] input I'm looking

[5:57] for Michael Green

[6:00] thank you thank you uh just very quickly

[6:03] now wearing my supervisor hat today uh

[6:05] wearing my Lakeport yach Club hat um and

[6:08] just wanted to share uh yes uh some

[6:11] challenges going on the Storm two weeks

[6:13] ago uh blew out the Marine at 1400 South

[6:16] Main Street uh several of our uh club

[6:19] members had boats affected uh in this

[6:22] most recent storm boats are still

[6:24] getting moved around it's kind of

[6:26] interesting so one of our club members

[6:27] does have a boat at one of the Fifth

[6:30] Street docks uh we do have plans to

[6:32] assist him to get off of there um uh but

[6:36] it's uh we have another club member uh

[6:38] kind of taking Sanctuary at one of our

[6:40] other buoys uh so I wanted to share that

[6:43] there are bootes in play and we're

[6:44] trying to work through it as best we can

[6:46] in support of our club members and also

[6:48] those others that might be impacted as

[6:50] far as the building itself I I did want

[6:53] to share just in the spirit of

[6:54] transparency um uh we're not accepting

[6:58] rentals at this time as we look at some

[7:00] uh maintenance issues with the building

[7:02] itself uh I appreciate everyone that's

[7:04] been out and kind of taking a look at it

[7:07] uh we had Kevin out there last week and a couple other people so I don't

[7:11] have a firm timeline some of it is honey

[7:14] do list stuff some of it is more

[7:15] substantive and uh I have a couple more

[7:17] people coming out to look at some things

[7:20] so I just wanted to share that uh thank

[7:22] uh City staff for their patience with

[7:24] our bobbing boats uh and uh as soon as I

[7:27] get a firmer timeline a firmer uh plan

[7:30] of what's going to go on with the actual

[7:32] Club operations I'll certainly uh reach

[7:34] out to you in the meantime if you guys

[7:36] have any questions or anybody in the

[7:38] public has has any questions uh the club

[7:40] cell phone number is 707

[7:43] 263-5076 and so if anybody wants to

[7:46] reach out individually I'll certainly uh

[7:49] show you what's going on as best I know

[7:51] and also share what I don't know which

[7:53] is a lot at the time so thank you thank

[7:56] you

[7:57] Michael anybody else for public

[8:05] comment Danny did you want to make

[8:07] public comment on this

[8:09] tonight it's on a specific item that's

[8:12] already on the agenda tonight okay thank

[8:14] you okay um not seeing anybody else for

[8:18] public comment do we have anybody online

[8:20] uh seeing No Hands raised on Zoom thank

[8:23] you uh we're going to bring it back to

[8:26] uh we're going to close public comment

[8:28] thank you

[8:30] public input uh we're moving along to

[8:32] council

[8:33] business uh item number six uh Traffic

[8:37] Safety update receive and file the

[8:40] traffic safety related complaints report

[8:43] Kevin yes thank you Mr Mayor honorable

[8:45] council members I'll start this off but

[8:47] I'm I'm sure that uh both um Ron and uh

[8:50] and chief rasmason will uh want to uh

[8:53] add some additional items on it um as

[8:55] you've become aware you know we're kind

[8:57] of um beginning several years back now

[9:01] we've been uh kind of tracking uh

[9:04] traffic complaints as they come in and

[9:06] then doing periodic reviews with your

[9:08] city council uh kind of giving an update

[9:10] on uh you know what action most of the

[9:12] complaints that come in are are pretty

[9:14] uh routine in nature that we can

[9:16] generally uh get to right away you know

[9:18] if a a sign is missing or damaged or uh

[9:22] you know some of the ones that you see

[9:24] here referenced are you missing uh a

[9:27] paint or faded paint at a bus stop or

[9:29] like that we've been able to kind of hit

[9:30] those items in there um you know

[9:33] generally we use these complaints to

[9:35] kind of inform and track Trends if

[9:38] there's you know different things that

[9:39] we need to do you get together I think

[9:41] some of the ones that have come up in

[9:43] the past of uh the need for greater and

[9:45] enhanced um uh Crossing features

[9:48] throughout the city in uh you know

[9:50] strategic locations uh that's informed

[9:53] uh you know kind of our our project

[9:55] alignment and as you'll see uh the

[9:57] second half of this report does go with

[9:59] into the various uh upcoming Traffic

[10:01] Safety projects that we have where you

[10:03] see we're adding a lot more enhanced

[10:05] sidewalks Ada curban ramps uh to

[10:08] projects as we go along uh the big the

[10:10] biggies being 11th Street Lakeport

[10:13] Boulevard um in Main Street um this

[10:18] particular period of reference I think

[10:19] the last report we gave to your Council

[10:21] was in September of 2023 uh we only had

[10:24] um I mean a limited number of complaints

[10:26] I think seven most of them were uh

[10:28] easily

[10:29] resolved I think the one notable traffic

[10:32] safety issue during this period um is

[10:34] the issue of um wrongway driving down

[10:37] the the one-way segment uh that is High

[10:40] Street uh located between 11th and um

[10:44] Clear Lake Avenue um this has been one

[10:46] that your Council has been brought to

[10:48] attention in the past it kind of plays

[10:51] into the uh larger uh one that we've

[10:54] discussed at length as well the kind of

[10:57] Main Street uh clearly Lake Avenue High

[10:59] Street kind of I call it the snake that

[11:03] uh kind of allows primary North South AC

[11:08] this section of roadway plays into that

[11:11] um it's a one-way segment allowing

[11:12] traffic um along 11th Street uh to

[11:15] access that Corridor and then it doesn't

[11:18] go down to Forbes or Main Street and add

[11:20] to the the traffic pieces are there uh

[11:22] we have received um several complaints

[11:26] uh regarding uh vehicles traveling the

[11:29] wrong way uh down that segment of

[11:31] roadway um the complainant who's here

[11:35] I'm sure she'll speak to it as well um

[11:37] has provided us with documentation uh

[11:39] showing you know that this is a regular

[11:41] occurrence um we did take some

[11:43] mitigation

[11:45] measures uh I know a few months back

[11:47] where we we moved the do not enter sign

[11:51] that's on the The High Street facing uh

[11:53] section uh to a more prominent location

[11:56] um we did post um a a camera up there it

[12:00] was a game camera that wasn't it wasn't

[12:02] designed for what we were using it for

[12:04] so it was very difficult to to go

[12:06] through all the video evidence we did

[12:08] note um you know one or two occasions

[12:11] where Vehicles were traveling the wrong

[12:12] way it appeared that uh they were folks

[12:15] that lived on the street um but um I

[12:18] mean we have documentation showing that

[12:20] this is a regular occurrence um the the

[12:24] piece that we kind of have is that we're

[12:27] kind of stuck at you know in impass as

[12:30] far as having readily available kind of

[12:33] easy you know

[12:34] off-the-shelf cheap solutions for this

[12:37] um at this point we've come to the

[12:39] conclusion that any change on this area

[12:42] is going to take a little bit more uh

[12:44] you design effort and likely you know

[12:46] some greater Capital Improvement you

[12:47] know sort of project effort um it's

[12:50] staff's opinion that this is more of an

[12:52] Enforcement issue and uh we are getting

[12:55] to a point now where our where our

[12:57] police staff is going to be fully in

[12:59] force here and we'll be able to utilize

[13:01] them in some greater parking enforcement

[13:03] efforts not just at this location but I

[13:05] mean we do receive complaints you know

[13:07] from you know intersections people not

[13:09] stopping at stop signs or speeding

[13:11] complaints in pieces like that so we

[13:13] feel like that this is best handed

[13:15] through that enforcement aspect uh the

[13:17] complainant did uh make some suggestions

[13:20] on some possible improvements uh that uh

[13:23] that could be considered to kind of

[13:26] mitigate these issues those include

[13:27] retractable strips or the possible

[13:30] closure of the block um I know and we we

[13:34] did uh get some follow-up conversation

[13:36] with council member Costa asking for

[13:38] some additional detail um in regards to

[13:41] what those measures would actually be

[13:42] and what they would cost and I know that

[13:44] uh that Ron has done some research on

[13:46] there that we can we can talk about some

[13:48] of those measures in some more detail um

[13:51] if your Council wishes I will note that

[13:54] um one of the items that we've been uh

[13:56] pushing for was in regards to you know

[13:59] seeking grant funding for uh message

[14:02] board SLP trailer to replace one that we

[14:04] had in use several years back uh we do

[14:07] actually have an active Grant

[14:09] application in in play for that so we're

[14:12] hoping that that's going to be something

[14:13] that we're going to have at our disposal

[14:15] as well that wouldn't that would be a

[14:17] tool that could be added to this

[14:19] particular issue um as well but it could

[14:21] also be used throughout throughout

[14:23] different areas of the city um but

[14:25] overall um I think that's kind of a of

[14:29] it we can certainly dig deeper into the

[14:31] one-way segment and we can absolutely

[14:33] answer any questions that your Council

[14:35] may have in regards to any of the

[14:37] upcoming Traffic Safety projects I do

[14:40] believe that uh Mr Danny W did submit

[14:43] comments that um written comments that

[14:45] you guys have there in regards to some

[14:48] of these projects as well um some of

[14:50] them are um you know asking for

[14:52] additional features to be considered as

[14:54] we talk through them so I'll turn it

[14:57] over to council at this point Point um

[14:59] and uh if you want to dig into any of

[15:01] those items a little deeper I'm sure Ron

[15:03] and Brad can add a little bit more into

[15:06] there but I'll turn it back to the

[15:07] council for questions thanks

[15:10] Kevin yeah Mr Mayor uh um if I may the

[15:15] thought of closing that street down you

[15:18] know I live on 11th and um for 55 years

[15:21] I've been dying to just drive through

[15:23] there once you know just to say I did it

[15:26] but um when I heard closing the street

[15:29] off has anybody done a uh traffic count

[15:34] going you know in the proper direction I

[15:36] mean I know when I hear these traffic

[15:38] numbers they're like enormous and I just

[15:41] curious if if that's been done ever um

[15:44] because I I mean if it was closed you

[15:46] know I would go down to the you know

[15:49] where you would normally have to go when

[15:50] you're going the other direction and

[15:52] make the corner and oh my God it must be

[15:54] you know like an eighth of a mile out of

[15:56] my way but the thought of that being

[16:00] closed um is not really that big a deal

[16:03] but I have no idea how many people just

[16:05] shoot through they're going in the

[16:06] proper direction and then it's always a

[16:09] situation because you have the oncoming

[16:10] traffic and then you have to wait and

[16:12] then they're also coming around the

[16:13] corner you know that it's it's not

[16:16] really a crazy um um idea that if it was

[16:20] were closed it wouldn't be a big thing

[16:22] until you know later on unless there's

[16:24] like 5,000 people going through there a

[16:26] day I have no idea that's just my

[16:29] comment as someone that lives on Le and

[16:31] been through there and around there for

[16:32] 50 years yeah we we looked at a couple

[16:35] things we we looked a little bit at the

[16:36] retractable uh strips that that Ron can

[16:39] talked to a little bit about um there we

[16:41] looked at what would be involved in

[16:44] regards to the closure of that uh

[16:47] roadway there and then we also looked um

[16:50] at um slightly at speed bumps but then

[16:54] the last one was really if you converted

[16:55] it to two-way traffic and each of those

[16:58] has a whole Litany of of items that I

[17:01] don't know that they physically solve

[17:04] the issue at hand and some of them I

[17:06] think would aggravate other um other

[17:08] items on there so I mean we can go

[17:10] through if if it's council's desire I it

[17:12] might be informative to just go through

[17:15] those pieces now to kind of inform the

[17:17] debate and and uh and U and you know for

[17:20] and public comment before as well I I

[17:23] don't know if that's the the council's

[17:25] it's it's just I was just was throwing

[17:28] it out if anybody knew the volume of

[17:30] traffic um going through that street on

[17:34] any given day is it you know like a 100

[17:37] is it like a thousand or is it like 10 I

[17:40] mean I have no idea it's more when the

[17:43] schools are in session for sure oh yeah

[17:45] I would

[17:46] imagine I there is not data on that

[17:49] oneway section of North High there is

[17:53] however a pretty current study on High

[17:56] Street between Clear Lake Avenue and

[17:59] 20th that lists

[18:03] 7,250 vehicles per day on High Street

[18:07] between Clear Lake Avenue and

[18:11] 20th and regarding Dead ending that

[18:15] street the first major hurdle that you

[18:19] would bump into would

[18:24] be there's a regulation that would

[18:27] require 40 foot radius turnaround oh at

[18:31] a dead end stre never

[18:33] mind and that would be the first hurdle

[18:35] to get over the second thing to consider

[18:37] there on the dead end even if we wanted

[18:40] to make a hammerhead a 40 foot

[18:43] Hammerhead or turn it into a culdesac

[18:46] style it would increase the traffic to

[18:50] Forbes and 11th which is the highest

[18:54] accident intersection in the city and I think it would just exacerbate an

[19:00] already high accident intersection the

[19:05] spike strips traffic control devices are

[19:08] controlled by mutcd the manual and

[19:12] uniform traffic control devices and any

[19:16] sort of Spike strip in a road would not

[19:20] be in compliance with anything that

[19:23] mutcd has published so I I don't think

[19:27] we would consider

[19:28] putting something that was out of

[19:30] compliance with mutcd that we follow

[19:33] that for our street markings our street

[19:35] signs our cones our barricades

[19:37] everything follow mutcd standards and I

[19:42] mean there's good liability reasons to

[19:44] follow

[19:45] mutcd um and so that would be the

[19:48] challenges with the dead end or a spike

[19:52] strip as opening it up to two-way

[19:56] traffic also we we looked at and present

[19:59] some issues you would one it's not clear

[20:02] whether there's enough room there to

[20:04] allow two-way traffic and parking it's

[20:08] clear that there is not there's not

[20:10] there you go uh the other the other

[20:12] issue is you would be creating a kind of

[20:15] a dangerous left-hand a blind left-hand

[20:17] turn issue there um for vehicles

[20:21] traveling uh West and then ultimately

[20:25] North along uh Clear Lake Avenue and

[20:27] High Street

[20:29] um you know that they would you know

[20:31] they even if you Market we know that

[20:33] this becomes an issue it's one that

[20:34] reoccurs in this report we have the same

[20:37] issue going the opposite way onto North

[20:39] Maine uh with people turning left um you

[20:43] know traveling you know along going down

[20:45] to going down to Main Street and then

[20:47] turning left and we have that clearly

[20:49] marked um on the road and stuff but yet

[20:51] we still continue to have you know

[20:52] complaints received about folks turning

[20:55] left there so you'd be creating another

[20:57] intersection Hazard at that at that

[21:00] other side um let me interrupt just for

[21:03] a second I want to

[21:06] apologize um it says here that all of

[21:08] these were deemed impractical and I knew

[21:11] there was many many many reasons I just

[21:14] asked that one question it seemed kind

[21:16] of innocuous and obviously this you have

[21:19] done your due diligence and I apologize

[21:21] for even asking that sensitive question

[21:24] these These are these are pie I mean

[21:25] this is not to not to state that this

[21:29] issue doesn't occur I mean I I don't I

[21:31] don't think anybody's arguing that there

[21:32] aren't vehicles that are traveling the

[21:34] wrong way down the strip it's just it's

[21:35] just not an easy one easy one to fix um

[21:40] the 11th Street Corridor study does talk

[21:44] about you know an eventual kind of

[21:46] smaller roundabout at 11th and um and

[21:50] Forbes uh recognizing that that is the

[21:52] most hazardous intersection that we do

[21:53] have in the city that's where our

[21:54] highest level of accident rates occur if

[21:57] you had a roundabout about in there then

[21:58] I mean you know might be something at

[22:00] that point that you could consider how

[22:02] you would handle this um you know

[22:05] because you'd be feeding it into a much

[22:06] safer intersection but you know once

[22:08] again that's that's not an overnight uh

[22:12] Endeavor and it comes with a with a

[22:14] pretty hefty price tag um in there as

[22:17] well so I mean we did we did take a look

[22:19] at all of these options and then I I

[22:20] think the only one we didn't cover with

[22:22] speed bumps which are also

[22:26] um I one you know the fire chief isn't

[22:29] here but he doesn't like them I I can

[22:31] tell you that right now and then um we

[22:34] do experience complaints uh with speed

[22:37] bump usage because you know you start to

[22:39] get grinding you get other noises and

[22:41] other things and then you get people who

[22:42] drive off the roadway to get around them

[22:45] in pieces and I'm not sure that that

[22:47] would really you know somebody yes it

[22:50] would make an an extra barrier um you

[22:53] know and you know someone might consider

[22:55] oh it's really not worth the four

[22:57] seconds that I lose by going and making

[22:59] two more rights onto Forbes um but you

[23:02] know this is a heavily used stretch of

[23:04] roadway as someone who travels it

[23:06] frequently to get to the schools um this

[23:09] is this is a critical piece to our

[23:12] Norths South Connection in town like it

[23:15] or not I I would not say it's the a

[23:17] great option I think our whole north

[23:20] south um section of traffic in this area

[23:23] is is hindered as we've we've looked at

[23:25] in in different areas um but this is a piece of that puzzle so I mean

[23:32] this is what's brought me back and staff

[23:34] back too this really does become more of

[23:36] an enforcement related issue um you know

[23:40] among other areas we get several

[23:41] complaints about you know speeding in

[23:43] different sections and you know Mis stop

[23:46] signs uh frequently occur here at uh

[23:48] third in Maine so I mean I think as we

[23:51] ramp up our staffing this gets put on

[23:54] the list where we have a more active

[23:55] enforcement related I mean that at this

[23:57] point is is staff's

[24:01] recommendation I'm sorry go ahead I'm

[24:02] sorry I have some questions and comments

[24:04] probably all kind of mush together and I

[24:06] am interested it sounds like you you

[24:08] noted there's somebody from the public

[24:10] that yes and I'm looking forward to that

[24:12] because I think that's going to be

[24:14] valuable to hear so

[24:18] um I don't think this is exactly a

[24:20] rhetorical question but here's the thing

[24:22] I wonder why was this put in place to

[24:24] begin with and have we solved the

[24:25] problem that we attempted to solve is

[24:28] this

[24:28] oneway um travel actually did it

[24:32] actually bring something that we needed

[24:35] or has it just sort of outlived its its

[24:38] time I'm I'm I like the idea if we have

[24:40] enough um officers enforcement that

[24:42] sounds good I think for a while maybe

[24:44] that just was not possible and so what I find um uncomfortable is well we

[24:50] just have an unsolvable problem um we've

[24:52] got people going the wrong way which I

[24:54] think can be inherently dangerous

[24:56] because they have to go around that

[24:57] fence to go down the wrong way and so if

[25:00] someone's coming the right way now you

[25:01] got two cars in the same spot and

[25:06] um I don't want to make assumptions but

[25:08] I I I drove down there today and there's

[25:10] there might be about six houses maybe

[25:12] that can call High Street their their

[25:15] name but that's because we've created

[25:19] that like the city created this one

[25:20] block that's one way and so the

[25:22] residents that are on that block are the

[25:24] people who are um daytoday going to be

[25:28] maybe most impacted or have the most

[25:29] concern because they're watching this

[25:31] happen more than anybody else and so I

[25:34] wouldn't to me it's important if even

[25:37] one out of six is coming and and um

[25:40] describing the problem I I think that's

[25:43] um I'm glad that we're looking at it

[25:45] because I think that's really important

[25:47] when we're coming down 11th from Safeway

[25:51] there are four other streets that people

[25:53] can turn on from 11th to Clear Lake

[25:56] Avenue and then come down down clarck

[25:58] Avenue and then go left onto High Street

[26:01] I don't they can't turn left on clarck

[26:04] Avenue I don't think they can from the barric I tried it out to say that

[26:08] this and you know turning left on clear

[26:10] Avenue doesn't seem to be now when the

[26:13] traffic after school I'll have to run

[26:16] another experiment that might make

[26:17] things all different but turning left on

[26:19] Clear Lake Avenue uh I don't think

[26:21] coming straight across on High Street is

[26:25] a piece of cake either going down Clear

[26:27] Lake Avenue so I don't know that the

[26:29] one-way traffic I'm trying to picture

[26:31] just exactly what it helped now to the

[26:37] point maybe this street is significantly

[26:39] smaller than the other streets Tunis

[26:42] brush North Pool because those are all

[26:44] two-way streets that go from 11th to

[26:47] Clear Lake Avenue um so I don't know

[26:49] that people coming from the freeway for

[26:51] example have to wait to turn on Forbes

[26:54] and then go back up to go to Clear Lake

[26:57] Avenue I mean I think there are other

[26:58] ways for people to navigate that so to

[27:00] me it just comes down to like I don't

[27:01] really know yet what we should do

[27:04] because I'm not sure what problem we

[27:05] tried to solve well I know Kim it's that

[27:08] bend right there because it's the the

[27:11] only street that doesn't it goes it

[27:14] keeps going and it turns right there so

[27:18] if you if you come down 11th you turn

[27:20] left and you come to the stop sign that

[27:22] traffic oncoming is it keeps

[27:25] going so I'm no traffic engineer but to

[27:28] me I see it like that can't just it

[27:31] can't be another way I'm I guess I'm not

[27:33] picturing because you come down a the

[27:35] traffic coming towards you automatically

[27:38] turns it that thorough far keeps going

[27:42] it's AB bendon doesn't that happen even

[27:44] if you're on the oneway street going

[27:46] straight if I'm picturing what you're

[27:48] talking I mean it would you would have

[27:49] to put a stop sign so I like I said but

[27:53] that's the difference that that street

[27:55] keeps going that doesn't stop it but it

[27:58] turns you're I'm sorry I I don't know

[28:00] that this is like I don't know that this

[28:02] is probably not proper that we're having

[28:04] this conversation but it is helpful

[28:05] information I'm just not sure that I'm

[28:07] picturing it I think I'm no yeah it's

[28:09] proper I just wanted to point out how

[28:11] it's different from those other

[28:13] blocks it

[28:15] turns

[28:16] because So Clear Lake Avenue goes up and

[28:20] then turns on to High Street correct M

[28:23] okay and High Street going that way you

[28:25] can't turn so maybe we've created a turn

[28:30] I'm not sure

[28:32] um I guess I'm just again I'm if this

[28:36] seems to be something that is a safety

[28:40] issue that can be described by the

[28:42] residents there I just hope that we can

[28:45] identify something feasible that we can

[28:47] do that will be an intervention rather

[28:50] than saying there's really nothing that

[28:53] we can do well i' I'd just like to asked

[28:58] one quick question have we considered an

[28:59] alpr there and can can we temporarily

[29:02] move an alpr there from another spot in

[29:05] the city just to just to to see what's

[29:08] going on there you mean that the cross

[29:11] the The Crossing uh and enhanced

[29:12] Crossing or oh you're talking about

[29:15] automated License Plate

[29:17] Reader can we put can we put one there

[29:20] and put a little bit of lighting over

[29:21] there and maybe a sign that says we're

[29:24] going to find you on the fence we can

[29:26] use

[29:27] for that purpose I'd have to do some

[29:30] research on that I mean you know we we

[29:33] put a camera out there but it sounded

[29:34] like it was more like a game trail

[29:36] camera I'm wondering if one of our aprs

[29:38] that we have at every Inlet and Outlet

[29:40] in the city if that wouldn't be a good

[29:43] use for one we wouldn't be able to I

[29:45] don't believe we'd be able to ticket

[29:46] using them I mean you'd be able to

[29:49] observe how many people ticket then

[29:52] that's not that's not worth doing yeah

[29:54] because the problem is those cameras

[29:58] are not going to give us a picture of a

[30:01] driver that we would need to write a

[30:04] citation okay so I guess we can't get

[30:07] give a citation in the mail to the car

[30:09] that does it like when you go over the

[30:10] Golden Gate Bridge and you don't pay

[30:12] your toll we have to be able to on that

[30:15] kind of a violation identify the driver

[30:18] okay to site the driver darn it it would

[30:21] have been too I mean there is camera

[30:23] technology that can do that it's just

[30:26] not part of the PR set up would that be

[30:28] something that you could look at for us

[30:30] and bring back probably very expensive

[30:32] yeah we certainly could look at a we

[30:34] don't want to like can't like council

[30:37] member parlet just said we we don't want

[30:39] to spend a ton of money on this or a ton

[30:41] of time but I just thought it just seems

[30:43] like the the easiest strategy yes we can

[30:45] it would be similar to like a red light

[30:47] camera yeah same same thing so we could

[30:50] certainly look into that any other

[30:52] questions from Council can I address

[30:55] council member Costa's question yes

[30:57] please so if I was following

[31:01] along the question is why was it

[31:06] originally designed as a oneway and what

[31:10] safety concern did that

[31:12] address the the answer to why it was

[31:15] originally designed there I spent a lot

[31:17] of time trying to figure out and find

[31:20] the original design comments and it's

[31:23] been a oneway for a very very very long

[31:25] time many many years and I couldn't find

[31:28] it I have talked to the city engineer

[31:31] and other engineers and the biggest

[31:34] safety concern that that addresses if we

[31:37] made that a two-way street North High it

[31:42] is not B it would require no parking one

[31:46] side of the street at a minimum to

[31:48] accommodate two-way

[31:50] traffic at that point if it was two-way

[31:53] anyone traveling westbound on Clear Lake

[31:56] Avenue wishing to turn left onto North

[32:00] High that was now two-way they would be

[32:02] turning blind left because of the 90

[32:05] degree Corner that is the biggest safety

[32:09] issue that the oneway addresses there is

[32:14] eliminating the possibility of making

[32:16] that left turn blind you can't see the

[32:18] cars that are

[32:21] coming Southbound on high as they're

[32:24] making that 90 so you would be turning

[32:26] blind onto there that's the safety

[32:28] concern that the

[32:29] oneway addresses there have been other

[32:34] safety measures implemented there the

[32:37] speed surveys

[32:39] indicate that that portion of North High

[32:43] between Clear Lake and

[32:46] 20th are it would be adequate to have a

[32:49] 35 M hour speed limit there and there

[32:55] is a difficult

[32:57] process

[32:59] to get a lower speed limit than what has

[33:02] been identified in the speed survey but

[33:05] it it's been done on that stretch of

[33:08] high and so the speed limit is under the

[33:11] recommended 35 it set at

[33:15] 30 and I went back in Crash data for the

[33:20] last 12 years and I haven't seen or

[33:24] found an instance of a reported crash

[33:27] at that intersection in the last 12

[33:31] years so to answer your question I would

[33:34] say yes the safety measures that it was

[33:37] originally designed for have been

[33:41] effective so it sounds sounds like prior

[33:43] to that there was some crash data then

[33:46] that or they were just trying

[33:48] to avoid having any continue to avoid

[33:52] having them the original design on that

[33:54] is over 50 years ago go so I I don't

[33:58] know my my best guess is this routs back

[34:02] to the

[34:04] expressway uh construction um there

[34:07] because originally the highway highway

[34:09] 29 ran down Main Street and did that

[34:11] snake and ran up to High Street and then

[34:14] out to Lakeshore Boulevard and when they

[34:16] constructed the expressway somebody in

[34:19] their Infinite Wisdom decided 11 Street

[34:21] was the best spot um uh to put the exit

[34:25] whereas I think if you look at the plat

[34:27] map of the city Clear Lake Avenue is far

[34:31] wider than 11th Street but regardless

[34:34] that's where we're at is that I think

[34:35] that that's where this all sort of stems

[34:37] back and develops that you had a new

[34:40] freeway that came in there and you

[34:44] needed to somehow get that traffic back

[34:47] over to that major north south connector

[34:50] up High Street and out to Lakeshore

[34:52] Boulevard and um High Street lines up

[34:57] with that that Corridor out and I think

[34:59] that's where you got that kind of rather

[35:01] than have them go all the way down to

[35:03] main or Forbes and then make you know

[35:05] two or three additional lefts to get

[35:07] back on I think that you know I I don't

[35:09] have anything to back but I I would

[35:11] imagine that that's all where it sort of

[35:13] stemm from was when uh the the

[35:16] expressway came in through Lakeport 11th

[35:19] Street became a principal Corridor um

[35:22] because if you look once you get past

[35:23] pool Street 11th Street looks just as

[35:27] narrow as 10th 9th 8 7th and six it was

[35:29] not originally designed uh to be a major

[35:32] collector Road uh to connect into that

[35:35] area so my guess is that that's where a

[35:38] lot of this stuff stemm directly from

[35:40] and so it was a means of getting traffic

[35:43] over there to that north south for folks

[35:45] that are still looking to travel up to Lakes Shore Boulevard just to follow

[35:49] so Ron I just want to thank you for the

[35:51] time that you took to to try to I know I

[35:52] sent some questions to city um the city

[35:55] manager so thank you for looking into

[35:56] that and bringing this information and

[35:59] then if I understood the explanation

[36:01] about the concern for the 90° and how it

[36:04] would appear that we have successfully

[36:06] uh avoided having a crash such as

[36:10] that um if people are using the oneway

[36:15] road in the opposite

[36:17] direction are they doing the same

[36:19] behavior that we were worried a two-way

[36:23] Road would do I mean it sounds like that

[36:25] might be the same using that road going

[36:28] making a leftand turn onto High

[36:31] Street if it were a two-way road that

[36:34] would create a certain danger it sounds

[36:36] like people are deciding to sign on for

[36:40] that danger anyway if they're doing that

[36:41] when it's a oneway

[36:45] road I don't know I have not witnessed

[36:48] somebody going the wrong way down there

[36:50] I don't live over there I go that way

[36:53] sometimes but I haven't seen it I would

[36:55] only assume that if you were were going

[36:57] to go the wrong way you would be

[36:58] traveling south on high and go straight

[37:03] through there but I guess yes the answer

[37:06] to your question would be yes if there's

[37:08] an irresponsible driver that

[37:10] doesn't pay attention to the vehicle

[37:13] codes there's no end to the scenarios

[37:17] that that they could commit I mean I'm

[37:20] sure Brad and his folks could tell

[37:23] stories all night long

[37:25] about the

[37:27] nonsensical reasoning that people have I

[37:30] have to say Amen to that right thank

[37:37] you council

[37:41] members yeah we're we're gonna open this

[37:43] up to the public Ruby would you like to

[37:45] come up and speak on

[37:47] this yes I would I live on that one my

[37:51] name is Ruby Jones I live at 1150 North

[37:53] High

[37:54] Street um Liv there for 4 47 years not

[37:57] as long as you can but uh it's been a

[38:00] one-way Street ever since I moved in

[38:02] there uh Highway 29 did used to come

[38:06] down and make that turn and then go to

[38:08] Lakeport if you look at at North High

[38:12] Street it does not line up with the rest

[38:15] of High

[38:17] Street okay um there is a sign there

[38:20] that says do not enter notice tonight

[38:23] it's been hit again it's bent okay uh

[38:27] wrongway drivers you have never seen a

[38:29] wrongway driver we have a black pickup

[38:32] in town that he comes down that road

[38:35] wrong way numerous times Stan counted

[38:38] him three times one day I stood there

[38:41] and gasp and he came down the street the

[38:43] wrong way towing a cargo trailer he

[38:46] comes down and turns without stopping

[38:48] and going out 11th Street we're waiting

[38:51] for an accident to happen it's going to

[38:54] happen um I

[38:57] the uh things that we recommended the

[38:59] spike strips and all that you know none

[39:02] of that's going to work STS retired

[39:05] highway patrolman and he said that they

[39:07] do make a speed bump that is straight at

[39:12] one side and angled at the other side

[39:16] where if those are put in the traffic

[39:17] that's going the wrong way is going to

[39:19] hit it and they're going to know they're

[39:21] going the wrong way um tourists they may

[39:25] not know in the summertime that they're

[39:26] going the wrong way but they come down

[39:29] that street at a high rate of speed

[39:30] we've watched them fly past they missed

[39:33] the barricade but they fly past our

[39:35] house don't even slow down on 11th

[39:37] Street and just keep right on going and

[39:40] somebody's going to get hit at 11th

[39:41] Street eventually uh you didn't have any

[39:44] reports of accidents and 47 years I

[39:48] would say 10 times they've gone through

[39:50] that

[39:51] barricade one of them was the Air Force

[39:53] recruiter guy middle of the day he drove

[39:55] right straight through the barricade you

[39:58] know we've um had stolen Noles through

[40:00] the barricade as far as accidents at

[40:02] that intersection I'm not aware of any

[40:04] of them

[40:06] um I don't know what the answer is since

[40:10] I last came to the city council meeting

[40:12] I have seen three police cars on our

[40:14] street I think the only answer is

[40:17] enforcement doesn't do any good for us

[40:19] to call because by the time we call

[40:21] they're gone and we can't get a license

[40:23] number you know I don't know what the

[40:26] answer

[40:26] is um it just that I hope you know

[40:31] something can be done uh Stan said that

[40:35] twice he has come down that street the

[40:37] wrong way when they were doing work on

[40:39] the road and the road was closed at CL

[40:42] Lake and 11th Street I mean high in 11th

[40:45] Street um once he was when he was on

[40:49] patrol he came home for dinner and he

[40:51] went to pull out from the pickup was

[40:54] parked here and the patrol car was

[40:55] parked here here he went to pull out to

[40:57] go and almost got head on by a carload

[41:00] of teenagers that were coming around the

[41:02] street the wrong way fortunately all

[41:04] they got was a ticket you know um I

[41:09] don't know what the answer is short of

[41:11] enforcement and I don't know how you're

[41:12] going to enforce it because you know I

[41:16] don't know what the answer is but there

[41:19] is this one block pickup that um I don't

[41:23] know who it is or anything but he comes

[41:25] flying down the street theong way a lot

[41:28] of the times and if you're turning off

[41:30] of 11th Street you're not going to

[41:31] expect anything to come and you were

[41:34] asking about when did it become a oneway

[41:36] street our neighbors have been

[41:39] here probably 55 years they went to the

[41:42] city council they came to the city

[41:43] council to get it made into a one-way

[41:46] street because there was no parking you

[41:49] know there was no place that they could

[41:50] park so I know it was that way when we

[41:54] moved in 47 years ago when they been

[41:56] there 55 so it's been like that for at

[42:00] least that length of time uh the other

[42:02] thing is it's narrow enough that the

[42:05] semis when they come around the street

[42:07] drive up on the sidewalk to make that

[42:10] turn and as far as how much traffic goes

[42:13] down the road on a school morning I can

[42:16] stand at my kitchen window and watch the

[42:18] traffic block stopped on 11 Street

[42:21] waiting for the people to go rather than

[42:24] going down the Main Street going that

[42:26] way they can't go because the people

[42:29] that went to school 15 minutes earlier

[42:31] are coming back

[42:34] so that's all I have to say can I answer

[42:36] any questions pardon can I answer any

[42:40] questions I do have one if I may yeah um

[42:44] it sounds like primarily at least as of

[42:46] late it's been one pickup truck or or

[42:49] one no no no so it's it's three four a

[42:53] day it's daily so not just this one

[42:57] particular this one truck is a he's very

[42:59] loud yeah oh that was another thing you

[43:02] know uh the noise uh the speed in the

[43:06] noise um there is a law about exhaust

[43:11] and my husband would really like to see

[43:13] some enforcement on the noise because

[43:15] it's it's very loud we can hear them

[43:17] come down our street and go all the way

[43:19] to the freeway we can hear

[43:21] them but it's not just the black pickup is a real problem and

[43:26] we don't know who it is and he goes so

[43:28] fast we can't tell yeah okay thank you

[43:32] Ruby can I ask just generally off the

[43:35] top of your head H how many times a week

[43:38] or how many times a month let's go with

[43:39] a week how many times a week do you

[43:41] think somebody goes the wrong way on

[43:42] that street two or three times a day two

[43:45] or three times a day so 14 to 21 yeah

[43:48] thank you for the math there you know we

[43:51] got 90y old living next door we're old

[43:54] you know we have to back out of our

[43:55] driveway we have to look every direction

[43:57] but we got a little two-year-old living

[43:59] across the street now and we're we're

[44:01] really worried about him because um well

[44:05] I also notice on here um who is this Mr

[44:09] W is talking about that street and the

[44:13] lack of sidewalks that the

[44:16] people there's there's sidewalks and

[44:18] then there's none there's sidewalks and

[44:20] then there's none um some people walk on

[44:23] the sidewalk and then cross and get over

[44:25] the over here the majority people just

[44:28] walk in the middle of the

[44:30] road you know I don't know why you know

[44:32] we watch them I don't know why they

[44:34] don't use the sidewalks that are there

[44:36] but if there's a wrong way driver coming

[44:39] you know also I have seen wrongway

[44:42] drivers Force the traffic going North

[44:45] over into the turn lane I mean the

[44:47] parking Lane that they have there we

[44:50] call them the racing stripes because

[44:53] people go down the street so fast I

[44:55] appre appreciate you coming tonight and

[44:56] I appreciate that you've been here

[44:58] before do do you feel like that we're

[45:00] continuing to work on

[45:02] it well like Kevin said the only thing I

[45:06] can think of is enforcement and I don't

[45:07] know how you're going to do it we're

[45:10] gonna keep working on it okay great

[45:12] thank you I appreciate you listening to

[45:13] us and so do all the eight people that

[45:16] live on the

[45:17] street thank

[45:19] you uh for the record I like it noted

[45:22] that I do drive a black pickup truck but

[45:24] that is not

[45:26] I dare I was gonna wait till we weren't

[45:29] recording to ask

[45:31] you anybody else from the

[45:40] public this it's a

[45:45] little can you hear me yep okay all

[45:48] right um hi I hope all of you maybe had

[45:53] a chance to look at it I know you had a

[45:54] closed action item before um I'd be

[45:57] happy to read it for you if if someone

[46:00] hasn't or I just I don't think that's

[46:02] necessary can you can you touch on the

[46:04] things that are important to you yeah um

[46:07] I mean I think obviously this is

[46:09] something that like touches every single

[46:11] one of us um it's also not just a

[46:13] Lakeport problem this is actually a

[46:15] national problem and I think I'm I'm

[46:17] really glad that sort of traffic safety

[46:20] is getting national attention um I also

[46:24] finding out that uh Lakeport and High

[46:27] Street used to be a highway just

[46:29] explains so much more because oftentimes

[46:32] highways are not good places for

[46:34] pedestrians um and I think that

[46:38] establishing a

[46:39] committee I certainly would apply if

[46:42] it's needed but I think you know there

[46:44] might be enough people to populate that

[46:46] I know that we've had both a traffic

[46:48] safety advisory committee and a Parks

[46:50] and Rec advisory committee before um I

[46:53] think that populating you know 10 people

[46:55] for a committee might be harder than

[46:57] just five um I also think that these

[47:00] things are also inextricably uh linked

[47:04] together um and I think to to one point

[47:07] about um the lack of accidents at High

[47:11] Street and um and Clear Lake Avenue um

[47:16] is that even though there's no accident

[47:18] data on that

[47:21] intersection the most the next high or

[47:25] the highest intersection that's prone to

[47:27] these accidents is 11th and Forbes so we

[47:30] haven't really addressed the problem

[47:32] we've just moved it literally over one

[47:35] block um same thing exists in the Forbes

[47:38] and 11 thing where we don't have that

[47:40] pedestrian infrastructure and I think

[47:42] that it would be extremely beneficial to

[47:45] give people just a little bit of

[47:47] creative resources just a little bit of

[47:49] access to Ron lad and and His Infinite

[47:52] Wisdom of of uh this the street codes

[47:55] and and um I think we're really

[47:58] underutilizing the different tools um

[48:00] enforcement is not the strongest player

[48:04] um in in getting Safe Streets um a lot

[48:07] of it comes down to built environment

[48:09] and Road design um I'd be happy to uh

[48:13] answer any specific questions you might

[48:16] have but I think that like I've said I

[48:19] think I said previous there's a lot of

[48:21] these problem intersections um Forbes

[48:23] and Martin comes to mind um intersection

[48:26] of Lakeport Boulevard and Main Street

[48:28] comes to mind obviously um with the new

[48:32] courthouse that comes to mind and then

[48:33] just general pedestrian access to the

[48:36] southern southern part of the city um is

[48:39] also very limited with Martin and Maine

[48:43] and then um I I added some details about

[48:46] um our water courses and Forbes and

[48:49] there's public space involved in those

[48:51] areas too um and I know we've had you

[48:53] know a history of homeless uh people

[48:56] experiencing homelessness in you know

[48:58] areas adjacent to these things um you

[49:01] know where we still have people

[49:03] experiencing homelessness adjacent to

[49:05] the park now even though they might have

[49:07] been displaced from the shoreline um

[49:10] they're still out there and um

[49:12] additionally I think that you know

[49:15] there's there's some obvious safety

[49:16] concerns with traffic just directly

[49:19] adjacent to the park um one thing that I

[49:21] didn't include in here was that um on I

[49:24] believe Sunday a 16-year-old was hit on

[49:26] their bicycle Crossing from fifth to

[49:30] Maine I'm assuming to go to the park um

[49:33] and uh they they're fine they Road Rash

[49:36] um but they I don't think that this is

[49:40] going to be the last time we see this

[49:43] and I think the summer is going to have

[49:46] a lot more pedestrians than the

[49:48] inclement weather we've had now so um if

[49:52] you have any specific questions or any

[49:54] resources I might point you towards to

[49:57] maybe start thinking about things this

[49:59] discussion that you guys have had has

[50:01] been really awesome to see how you're

[50:03] all like taking individual approaches to

[50:07] possibly fix this um and I just I really

[50:11] appreciated the conversation and I hope

[50:12] there's more specifically like this and

[50:14] I hope we get a lot more time uh to do

[50:16] that because people are figuring out

[50:18] that there's you can talk a little bit

[50:21] but you know getting out and just

[50:22] putting up some some barrels and Cones

[50:24] actually goes long way for for uh

[50:28] Traffic Safety thank you Danny thank you

[50:33] Danny so the city is kicking off a

[50:39] sidewalk survey in conjunction with

[50:41] Civic well and blue zones we're just at

[50:44] the initial process and actually we're

[50:47] looking for people that have time and

[50:51] are willing to donate some of the input

[50:54] that that you've given us tonight I mean

[50:57] it is definitely a funding issue the the

[51:00] study that we're doing is the first step

[51:03] that's needed to acquire the funding and

[51:07] I mean it would involve ranking and

[51:11] prioritizing um the different areas

[51:14] of pedestrian improvements that would

[51:16] most benefit the city and kind of tell

[51:19] us in which order we should go after

[51:21] them and we would love to have your your

[51:23] input through that process thank you

[51:25] yeah the blue zones group is um is very

[51:29] um tangential to some of the

[51:31] organizations that I follow um they I

[51:35] don't believe Greg Damron is Greg Damon

[51:38] is their um policy guy I believe um I

[51:40] don't know if he's specifically has

[51:42] experience with sort of Street design

[51:44] but I know there are people in the

[51:46] greater blue zones organization maybe

[51:49] not here but elsewhere that would be

[51:51] willing to come contribute but yeah I've

[51:53] already actually started cataloging some

[51:55] of the areas that don't have sidewalks

[51:58] that we have problem intersections that

[51:59] you know don't line up just collecting

[52:02] them with pictures and Google Maps and

[52:03] just taking notes so I've kind of

[52:05] already got a a little a little database

[52:08] very amateur very rough but um yeah it'd

[52:11] be I'd be pleased to help out with that

[52:13] but I I also think that um you know just

[52:16] giving a few um a few determined

[52:20] citizens just some really just traffic

[52:23] cones you know what's in the back of the

[52:24] utility truck could also go a really

[52:26] long way you know even if it's just for

[52:28] a weekend when we know there's going to

[52:30] be busy traffic you send them out there

[52:33] you go watch how people behave when you

[52:35] put up a popup roundabout on 11th and

[52:38] Forbes and you take away the rightand

[52:40] slip lanes and you just see what happens

[52:43] for a weekend don't necessarily need

[52:46] seea you just treat it as a construction

[52:48] same way you would do construction

[52:49] project use the California temporary

[52:52] traffic control handbook and um I'd be

[52:56] really excited to do some different

[52:58] projects like that what's what's what's

[53:00] the official term on that is it gorilla

[53:03] um gorilla tactical urbanism tactical

[53:05] urbanism yes yeah oh that sounds

[53:08] certainly does someone have your contact

[53:10] info here yeah so it's at the end of

[53:12] this um I'm in some email um things but

[53:16] just wait we'll get a hold of you yeah

[53:17] absolutely thank you I'll I'll give him points right off the bat

[53:21] for it's not a typo there that he's

[53:22] gotten his first one stro is a real term

[53:25] which is funny because my nana actually

[53:27] uh when she was reading this she was

[53:29] like do you want me to mark this up I

[53:30] see a typo I like Nana it's not a tyo

[53:33] that's a term and if any of you would

[53:35] like to know what a stro is I'd be happy

[53:36] to

[53:38] explain yeah I hope you reach out to me

[53:40] for that because I like new words so I

[53:42] don't know that one and I just want to

[53:43] say you know I'm really uh I'm really

[53:46] glad I'm excited when you come and then

[53:48] I like that kind of energy and we love

[53:50] to hear from people and I totally

[53:52] appreciate Ron you know already giving

[53:54] you something that you can hook on to if

[53:56] that is interests you and you know you

[53:58] can always the the context of the City

[54:00] Council meetings is limited even though

[54:02] we're pretty relaxed here but it's

[54:04] limited and so you can always reach out

[54:06] to any one of us individually with your

[54:08] ideas with your thoughts things you want

[54:09] to talk about at length and you know

[54:11] City staff is pretty welcoming as well

[54:13] so thank you for that City staff is

[54:15] pretty welcoming thank you yeah yeah

[54:16] thank you very much I appreciate that

[54:18] even though my energy is a little shaky

[54:20] I am excited about these things I'm

[54:21] excited for positive growth so thank you

[54:24] guys there's Mr Mayor there's not

[54:26] anything on this list that isn't in our list I mean no I I recognize that it uh you the the biggest issue there is

[54:35] the funding aspect the good news is most

[54:38] of these things you know that complete

[54:40] Street concept and uh kind of you know

[54:43] kind of um some of those aspects of a

[54:46] Strode um you kind of defining a street

[54:50] being something that you use regularly

[54:53] for multiple different activities

[54:55] walking to the park bicycling doing that

[54:57] and a road being more kind of like how

[54:58] you picture a highway um and a Strode is

[55:01] kind of When You observe a roadway that

[55:04] seems to be having an identity crisis

[55:06] between the two um which you can observe

[55:10] once you once you start to see you can

[55:12] completely observe and as I'm sure the

[55:14] Epiphany that that Mr wi just already

[55:17] had you know knowing that that used to

[55:18] be the highway before it becomes very

[55:20] clear that a good portion of the roads

[55:22] in throughout Lakeport are strods and

[55:24] they they're in a bit of an identity

[55:26] crisis um The Hot Scotch of a sidewalk

[55:31] segment here and there is something that

[55:33] we all you know bang our heads against

[55:36] on a regular basis um so I mean but

[55:39] going back the good news is a lot of the

[55:41] funding aspects that are available

[55:43] through calr and other things have

[55:46] complete streets Concepts at their heart

[55:49] and uh that really is uh what we're

[55:51] trying to accomplish with this initial

[55:54] planning stage project is to get

[55:55] ourselves positioned to take advantage

[55:57] of some of those do more projects like

[55:59] what we did complete up there on

[56:00] heartley and stuff and so a lot of these

[56:02] are are exactly where we're trying where

[56:06] we're trying to

[56:08] go and some of them we are I would say

[56:11] we're making um good progress on um

[56:15] specifically 11th Street um Main Street

[56:19] and Lakeport Boulevard in some of those

[56:21] projects that are coming forward we do

[56:23] have enhanced uh lighted Crossings uh

[56:26] propos to those those aren't full fixes

[56:29] I mean as as uh Danny shows in here I

[56:32] mean that's just one aspect of it um you

[56:35] know the Ada curb ramps to serve it

[56:38] bicycle LS you know connected bicycle

[56:40] lenses connective sidewalks all come up

[56:42] to pieces of it too so we're aware of

[56:44] those of those aspects but we're we're

[56:46] trying to kind of eat that elephant one

[56:49] bite at a

[56:51] time right thank you Kevin uh we're

[56:54] still in public comment is there anybody

[56:56] in the public that would still hasn't

[56:58] spoke

[56:59] tonight not seeing anybody here in the

[57:02] room Nick do we have anybody online

[57:04] seeing No Hands raised online right

[57:06] thank you want to bring this back to

[57:08] council I believe this was this an

[57:10] action item reing this a receiving file

[57:13] if there's any other action that you

[57:14] want in regards to um the one

[57:17] way um you know piece

[57:20] I'm secure

[57:22] grants that's what I would recommend uh

[57:25] we and we do have some of the framework

[57:26] in place for that I mean that was one of

[57:28] the purposes of that 11th Street

[57:30] Corridor study which this area is

[57:32] certainly a part of um but uh yeah

[57:36] unfortunately I don't have a readily

[57:38] available Quick Fix somebody should go

[57:41] undercover and find that black pickup

[57:44] truck just who the heck is that yes yes

[57:47] very much so F any wrong way

[57:50] driving Mr Mayor may I yes um I just

[57:55] wanted to add that um even if our roads

[57:58] were perfect I am with Ruby with just a

[58:02] frustration with some of the drivers um

[58:05] I've never seen so many drivers Behaving

[58:08] Badly even one of one of my co-workers

[58:12] we went to lunch and I said did you just

[58:15] do a u-turn on Main Street and she goes

[58:18] yeah there was a parking spot over there

[58:20] it was easy and I said and illegal like

[58:24] what do doing but I see that constantly

[58:27] and um we could make everything perfect

[58:30] but we still seem to have these drivers

[58:32] that are doing whatever it's getting

[58:34] worse same thing with pedestrians

[58:36] they're either not using their crosswalk

[58:38] or they're not pushing the button for

[58:40] the light and for the kids for this

[58:43] summer it would be nice if maybe we'll be able to coordinate something

[58:48] with one of our groups to do an

[58:50] education piece for the kids in the park

[58:52] maybe um bribe them to come with some

[58:55] prizes and teach them how you know

[58:58] remind them how to use the streets and

[59:01] the sidewalks safely to walk and

[59:04] bike great thank

[59:07] you anybody else well well make the last

[59:10] comment about the streets in the city of

[59:13] Lakeport um I'd like to remind everybody

[59:16] that we have a lake on the east side of

[59:19] us we have a highway that came later and cut off our city in a very strange

[59:25] way we have Hills and we are stuck with

[59:31] uh an infrastructure that was handed to

[59:33] us and all we can do at a time like this

[59:36] is try to mitigate the troubles that we

[59:38] continue to have the best that we can

[59:40] and and uh and we continue to try to do

[59:43] that so um yep and we and we will yeah

[59:46] how many times a year do you bring this

[59:48] to us Kevin we've been bringing it twice

[59:50] a year um I mean and speaking to that

[59:52] point I mean we do have um

[59:55] on our agenda planning calendar that I U

[59:58] bringing because we if you recall we did

[1:00:00] suspend tsac Traffic Safety advisory

[1:00:03] Council and then uh the parks and recck

[1:00:05] commission um a few years ago because of

[1:00:08] Staffing uh you related areas and you

[1:00:11] know focusing on the park and some of

[1:00:14] these other projects I mean so we do

[1:00:16] have it on our near-term agenda to bring

[1:00:19] that topic back to you guys to consider

[1:00:21] how you want uh to move forward with

[1:00:24] that I mean one idea would be to combine

[1:00:26] both or you could have separate

[1:00:27] committees or we can continue

[1:00:29] functioning in in this direction where

[1:00:32] we're bringing these items to you kind

[1:00:33] of on a biannual

[1:00:35] basis regardless I think the most

[1:00:38] constructive thing that we've done is

[1:00:40] quarterly review these We Gather these

[1:00:43] Traffic Safety related complaints a more

[1:00:45] formal aspect and then we review them

[1:00:47] for Trends and I mean I think that's

[1:00:49] been very assistive to helping us direct

[1:00:53] the limited resources that we do have to

[1:00:54] make sure that we are getting the most

[1:00:56] out of uh you that we're actually

[1:00:58] hitting the the areas in the in a

[1:01:01] strategic fashion great thank you Kevin

[1:01:04] and thank you Ron as uh council member

[1:01:06] Costa pointed out we appreciate the

[1:01:08] history that you tried to bring there

[1:01:10] for us that intersection uh High Street

[1:01:14] has a high Street has a it's like a drag

[1:01:18] strip and and the houses on each end of

[1:01:20] it seem to get hit by cars so U I'm sure

[1:01:23] that doesn't go into the traffic safety

[1:01:25] data there but but uh it continues to be

[1:01:28] a problem moving on uh item Six

[1:01:33] B uh Communications update receive an

[1:01:36] update uh on the 2023 communication team

[1:01:39] activity would that be it's gonna be me

[1:01:42] this evening Kelly is um on in route or

[1:01:47] just newly got there she's attending uh

[1:01:49] the risk management conference uh this

[1:01:50] week um so I will give just a quick

[1:01:54] update this is really just a quick kind

[1:01:56] of annual um update if you recall a few

[1:01:59] years back we we did put together a more

[1:02:02] uh concerted effort very similar to the

[1:02:03] traffic safety related aspect where um

[1:02:06] key staff is getting together on a

[1:02:08] monthly basis and reviewing what

[1:02:10] projects what aspects what things are

[1:02:12] going on and kind of developing a

[1:02:14] communication strategy from there to try

[1:02:16] and kind of uh put our efforts together

[1:02:19] um I think we have done really well um

[1:02:23] in getting that information out but I

[1:02:25] will also say that we're probably at the

[1:02:27] maximum of what we can do under that

[1:02:30] system uh so I bring this back to kind

[1:02:32] of you know just kind of do a check-in

[1:02:34] with your council is the communication

[1:02:37] um kind of aspects that are coming out

[1:02:39] of the city uh meeting uh the goals of

[1:02:42] the community and your Council um if if

[1:02:45] it's something that um either we feel

[1:02:48] that it's not or we would like to take

[1:02:49] it to the next level my my

[1:02:51] recommendation is that that be something

[1:02:53] that we do look at at and consider um at

[1:02:56] a budget time that um you we do not have

[1:03:00] a a staff person that is specifically

[1:03:04] dedicated to Communications that doesn't

[1:03:07] necessarily mean that it has to be a

[1:03:08] full-time position it could be something

[1:03:10] that we consult out we've seen some of

[1:03:12] our neighboring cities um you recently

[1:03:14] Embark in more you know kind of a a PR

[1:03:17] consultant thing to kind of help bolster

[1:03:19] their communication efforts um so this

[1:03:22] is really just sort of a check-in um we

[1:03:24] get together monthly we review the

[1:03:26] projects that we have we kind of take

[1:03:28] toll of what's out there uh kind of do

[1:03:31] some rumor control and make sure that um

[1:03:33] if there's something that we're missing

[1:03:35] in the communication pattern we try and

[1:03:36] get something out um you know Brad does

[1:03:39] an excellent job with his side on a more

[1:03:41] regular basis uh getting information out

[1:03:43] it's also uh the same folks that are

[1:03:45] involved in any emergency related items

[1:03:48] and a lot of the stuff that we do is

[1:03:50] just kind of capturing what's already

[1:03:52] going on in the community and sharing

[1:03:54] that information so you know I would say

[1:03:57] you know probably 50% of it's our own

[1:04:00] content um it's using everbridge

[1:04:04] formerly nixel it's using you know the

[1:04:07] city social media Pages it's using um

[1:04:11] our web page it's all across the board

[1:04:14] um and so we try and each everybody's

[1:04:16] kind of responsible for a little area so

[1:04:18] getting together once a month has been

[1:04:19] immensely helpful to coordinating that

[1:04:21] effort and make Shing that that

[1:04:23] information is out in the the most

[1:04:25] coordinated way fashion I'm just saying

[1:04:27] that if we want to take it to the next

[1:04:29] step we've probably maximized what we

[1:04:31] can do um with the staff that we have

[1:04:34] because those folks have other duties

[1:04:37] and so you know there's only so much

[1:04:39] they can throw at the these

[1:04:40] communication pieces so it's really just

[1:04:41] a check-in but um also if it's something

[1:04:44] that we think we need to enhance or take

[1:04:46] to the next level then we'll definitely

[1:04:48] want to give some consideration to it as

[1:04:50] we move forward into our goals planning

[1:04:52] session for fiscal year

[1:04:57] 2425 thank you Kevin I don't see

[1:05:00] questions from Council how many staff

[1:05:02] hours would you estimate goes into this

[1:05:06] work weekly or monthly I I don't know

[1:05:09] that we've we've fully Quantified that I

[1:05:11] mean I think there's certain folks that

[1:05:13] do more uh Brad um Andrew Brittain and

[1:05:17] our public works department who also you

[1:05:19] know wears a separate hat of you know

[1:05:21] managing the city's um you know social

[1:05:23] media Pages as well Hillary on the

[1:05:25] website uh side and then wilda um shock

[1:05:29] on our economic development side getting

[1:05:30] it out to some of our you know other key

[1:05:33] pieces all kind of uh you do that on a

[1:05:36] more consistent basis and then you have

[1:05:38] other folks you know mostly department

[1:05:40] heads um myself who are you know putting

[1:05:43] some other content and messaging

[1:05:44] together on um you know a less frequent

[1:05:47] basis so it's it's hard to

[1:05:49] quantify um but that's but that's sort

[1:05:51] of the problem is it's so diffuse across

[1:05:54] Ross the entire city organization right

[1:05:56] now that there's not one person really

[1:05:59] uh you know responsible for the overall

[1:06:01] content of it just seems like if we

[1:06:03] wanted to consider how

[1:06:04] to staff that other than the way it is

[1:06:08] now we're going to need to kind of get a

[1:06:11] starting point right yeah I mean I mean

[1:06:15] I think there are there are a couple of

[1:06:16] different ways you could do it one you

[1:06:18] know that Communications team can still

[1:06:19] continue to operate and can probably

[1:06:21] identify one or two things each month

[1:06:24] that maybe goes out to you know a PR

[1:06:28] firm or something to develop a higher

[1:06:30] level content um you know we could

[1:06:33] consider you know a summer internship or

[1:06:36] something like that and just see what

[1:06:38] kind of process or what kind of product

[1:06:40] we can get out of that and if that's you

[1:06:43] know if that's a worth it you know

[1:06:45] you're talking 20 hours a week and kind

[1:06:46] of gauge from there so I mean there's a

[1:06:47] couple different directions we can go

[1:06:49] and we can do a little better job at

[1:06:51] trying to quantify the hours that are in

[1:06:53] there

[1:06:55] thank you what about if I may um besides

[1:06:58] just staff hours what's the the feeling

[1:07:00] amongst the staff is it a big drag on

[1:07:03] staff to to be putting together posts

[1:07:05] and and Outreach whether it's nixel or you know the new platform how how is

[1:07:10] it going

[1:07:12] staff-wise I I think it it it probably

[1:07:15] depends it's both it's you know I think

[1:07:17] sometimes it's really exciting

[1:07:18] especially when you're working on things

[1:07:20] like the park and you're you putting

[1:07:21] things like on that out but other

[1:07:24] efforts I think we've all kind of shared

[1:07:25] grumbles that you know man you know 20

[1:07:27] or 30 years ago this was easy you just

[1:07:29] sent one press release to the record B

[1:07:32] and boom you were done now we're we're

[1:07:34] having to match content across several

[1:07:37] different and this isn't just us this is

[1:07:38] a this is an issue that every City's

[1:07:41] dealing with it's what every marketer

[1:07:43] dealing with so yeah there is there's a

[1:07:44] little bit of a kind of a a

[1:07:47] burden to that but going outside for a

[1:07:52] another firm or or hiring somebody to

[1:07:55] handle all of uh the Outreach would that

[1:07:58] alleviate department heads and and Chief

[1:08:02] and everybody's staff a big weight off

[1:08:04] your shoulders or is it like yeah I just

[1:08:06] do a little bit here and there and we

[1:08:07] all kind of chip in to get it done no I

[1:08:10] think the the the easy answer to that is

[1:08:12] yes it it it would take a large burden

[1:08:14] and then you would be freeing up

[1:08:16] people's time to go other ways but I

[1:08:17] think the problem becomes how do you

[1:08:19] balance that against some of the other

[1:08:21] priorities that your Council has because

[1:08:24] you know we we've got a limited limited

[1:08:26] number of resources we have I mean if

[1:08:28] this is working I um and we are getting

[1:08:31] our message out in a consistent and

[1:08:33] positive fashion then I think we're all

[1:08:36] committed to continuing to do that I

[1:08:38] just think if if the thought is that

[1:08:40] it's not or we want something higher

[1:08:42] then it's something we're going to have

[1:08:43] to consider that that kind of is going

[1:08:45] to require a bit more of a kind of a a

[1:08:48] capacity change um from what we're doing

[1:08:52] but yeah you're going to have to balance

[1:08:53] that

[1:08:54] against um your other priorities yeah

[1:08:58] thank

[1:09:00] you did the department heads still have

[1:09:02] to put out

[1:09:04] the content in the press release to

[1:09:07] someone else that's going to now put it

[1:09:09] on social media yeah yeah I mean we all

[1:09:12] develop our own content for the most

[1:09:14] part so you're you're you're not taking

[1:09:16] 100% of the work off of the department

[1:09:18] heads oh oh I see what you're saying um

[1:09:20] well I mean a lot of it a lot of it does

[1:09:22] come I mean you know

[1:09:24] it comes directly from a staff report I

[1:09:25] mean it's not like it's it's something

[1:09:28] that's completely beyond what we're

[1:09:31] already doing it's just trying to it's

[1:09:34] another step in the process um but it's

[1:09:37] not something that necessarily you're

[1:09:40] doing on a you you know from scratch I

[1:09:44] mean a lot of like for instance when we

[1:09:45] were doing a lot of the park stuff we

[1:09:47] were out there taking pictures of that

[1:09:49] stuff anyways we were writing reports

[1:09:51] anyways so it wasn't but it wasn't extra

[1:09:54] step a different deviation to make sure

[1:09:55] that we were getting that message out to

[1:09:57] the public okay thank you if I just one

[1:10:01] thing it it seems to me that you made a

[1:10:04] Quantum Leap here from you know the

[1:10:06] Outreach in 22 to 23 and um as you

[1:10:10] mentioned you know then you start

[1:10:12] talking about cost benefit ratio and you

[1:10:14] know what what and taking away from

[1:10:15] other things that we need to do it looks

[1:10:17] like you made a great leap in What's

[1:10:20] Done and the chief was always talking

[1:10:22] about his site I mean I don't see if it

[1:10:24] ain't broke don't fix it kind of thing I

[1:10:26] think we're in a good place and until we

[1:10:28] get like you know influx of huge amounts

[1:10:32] of of Revenue I I think you're doing a

[1:10:34] great job with what you have and I and I

[1:10:36] like the status quo I guess one thing I

[1:10:38] did fail to mention the big elephant is

[1:10:39] the room is some of our biggest players

[1:10:42] Brad and Andrew are both retiring um

[1:10:46] here in the near future so I mean it

[1:10:47] should have left that

[1:10:48] up should I led with that

[1:10:51] one no but I mean I the model is there

[1:10:54] they they've certainly have left us in in a position uh you know to to pick

[1:11:00] those pieces up but there's going to be changes on on how

[1:11:03] that's going to go and and I think some

[1:11:05] of that is you know are you going to

[1:11:06] expect a new Chief or a new compliance

[1:11:09] officer to to handle this so I mean

[1:11:11] there's going to be balancing effort

[1:11:12] that we're going to have to do on our

[1:11:13] side but the model is working it's just

[1:11:17] I I just want to be honest that I don't

[1:11:19] know how much more it can go um at its

[1:11:24] current rate I mean it can it can stay

[1:11:26] level but I don't know if we can we can

[1:11:28] jump to that next level but if if that's

[1:11:30] not warranted at this time we can keep

[1:11:32] doing this and we'll keep visiting it

[1:11:34] you know annually and seeing if it's not

[1:11:36] working we can look at different

[1:11:38] directions thank I love that idea though

[1:11:40] if if you you threw out one creative

[1:11:42] idea like a an internship kind of a

[1:11:45] position so I don't know if you're ready

[1:11:46] to start thinking about those things now

[1:11:48] or is that part of our next

[1:11:49] conversations about it but that type

[1:11:52] thing might be

[1:11:54] worth at least figuring out is there a

[1:11:56] place for this because that would not be

[1:11:59] a big investment in from the

[1:12:02] budget I and I also would be remiss to

[1:12:05] say that I think the demands for more

[1:12:07] communication is just going to increase

[1:12:10] and and that's okay I mean that's what

[1:12:11] we're in the business of doing is being

[1:12:13] transparent and we we perform public

[1:12:16] services and it's very important that

[1:12:17] the public understand what it is that

[1:12:19] we're doing and be informed by it so I

[1:12:20] mean it's a natural it's a natural piece

[1:12:23] of the local government setting but it

[1:12:25] is constantly changing and I do see that

[1:12:27] demand

[1:12:32] increasing let's open it up to the

[1:12:34] public are there any questions from the

[1:12:36] public or comments

[1:12:39] yeah not hearing any in the room Nick do

[1:12:42] we have anybody online with their hands

[1:12:44] raised No Hands raised online great

[1:12:46] thank you bring it back to

[1:12:48] council Mr Mayor receiveing file go ahead well I was just

[1:12:53] gonna no make some comments um

[1:12:56] go I think we have just been so lucky to

[1:13:00] have um the amount of post postings and

[1:13:04] information going out with the staff

[1:13:07] that we have you know we just are really

[1:13:08] lucky to have them and Chief and

[1:13:11] hopefully he's training some other

[1:13:13] people to take over for him because yeah

[1:13:14] I do think that'll be our biggest

[1:13:16] challenge and Andrew does they both done

[1:13:20] such a great job um so thank you

[1:13:25] um and then ultimately you know it'd be

[1:13:29] great to have a PR firm and you know

[1:13:31] kind of really come up with the identity

[1:13:33] of the city and a whole marketing plan

[1:13:35] for the city and uh PR department and a

[1:13:40] parks and rec department and we can

[1:13:43] dream right wrong but for now we're

[1:13:45] doing great

[1:13:48] yeah yeah the the want list is long yeah

[1:13:52] thank you

[1:13:55] all right that was a receiveing file

[1:13:57] moving on to uh 6C Public Works director

[1:14:01] we've got uh receive an update on the

[1:14:03] Forbes Creek headwall and heartley

[1:14:05] Street Culvert uh environmental report

[1:14:09] projects thank you mayor freyo council

[1:14:13] I'm really excited to give this

[1:14:17] information this is the fascinating

[1:14:20] topic of the dynamic nature of Federal

[1:14:24] funding and the

[1:14:25] inevitable contract amendments that go

[1:14:29] hand inand with Federal funding

[1:14:33] so I feel like I gave at least 30% of

[1:14:37] this update at the special meeting

[1:14:40] for the disaster declaration so I will

[1:14:43] try not to be redundant and and be more

[1:14:47] specific

[1:14:48] on the nature of federal funding when

[1:14:52] it's a associated with a road is the

[1:14:55] funding

[1:14:57] originates at the US do Federal Highway

[1:15:01] and it's passed to

[1:15:02] calr

[1:15:04] and the federal agency passes the

[1:15:08] federal requirements to Caltrans and

[1:15:10] Caltrans polices us basically to ensure

[1:15:14] that we stay in compliance with the

[1:15:16] federal requirements of the federal

[1:15:20] money so the first problem that we

[1:15:25] encountered on this project was we do

[1:15:29] not have staff sufficient staff to meet

[1:15:35] the federal requirements so we hire a

[1:15:37] consultant who is an expert in complying

[1:15:41] with the

[1:15:43] onerous requirements dictated To Us by

[1:15:46] the

[1:15:47] feds

[1:15:49] and we couldn't find a consultant that

[1:15:53] was interested in bidding on these

[1:15:56] projects because in the public works

[1:15:59] world they're

[1:16:01] relatively small

[1:16:03] items um big projects to us but small

[1:16:06] they're huge projects to us but in the

[1:16:08] public works

[1:16:10] World Statewide they're they're they're

[1:16:12] relatively small contracts so we had an

[1:16:16] incredibly difficult time

[1:16:19] selecting or getting a bid one bid we

[1:16:23] finally got one bid

[1:16:27] which we can award to a soul bidder but

[1:16:32] since we only got one it opened a whole

[1:16:35] another Pandora's Box that we had to

[1:16:38] fulfill and prove that we had done our

[1:16:40] due diligence in publicly advertising

[1:16:43] this and that we had checked all the

[1:16:46] boxes so that we could then be

[1:16:48] reimbursed for this consultant's time if

[1:16:51] we skip a step we would would lose the

[1:16:53] funding for reimbursement for this

[1:16:56] consultant the consultant takes a look

[1:16:59] at the project and works closely with

[1:17:02] staff to get a conceptual idea of what

[1:17:05] the design will be for these two

[1:17:08] projects and they take that information

[1:17:11] and they do their best to provide a

[1:17:13] scope that they feel would cover the

[1:17:16] entire project so a as we go through

[1:17:19] that process and you can only do one

[1:17:22] thing at a time the first step is the

[1:17:26] environmental and it requires squa and

[1:17:28] NEPA which

[1:17:31] are it's a tough Hill to climb to meet

[1:17:35] everything they ask to have a successful

[1:17:38] environmental document when you're

[1:17:40] dealing with NEPA so as we go through

[1:17:46] this the consultant

[1:17:49] compiles the environmental reports that

[1:17:52] they feel would be required for an

[1:17:55] approval of the environmental document

[1:17:57] and they submit those out to several

[1:17:59] agencies um California fishing game the

[1:18:04] water board Army Corps of Engineers uh

[1:18:06] whoever is on the list through the

[1:18:10] consultant's experience and expertise

[1:18:13] that this would get distributed out to

[1:18:15] each one of them each one of these

[1:18:18] agencies on their own time

[1:18:21] schedule

[1:18:24] reviews the documents and they may be

[1:18:28] happy with the reports that are

[1:18:29] submitted but often they require

[1:18:32] additional

[1:18:33] reports that the consultant may or may

[1:18:37] not agree with it was necessary but

[1:18:39] nevertheless now we have to produce it

[1:18:41] the additional report would then be

[1:18:43] outside the scope of the original

[1:18:46] contract that we have with them and

[1:18:49] that's how we get into an amendment I

[1:18:52] would also o like to point out that

[1:18:55] often the review by each one of these

[1:19:00] agencies takes so

[1:19:02] long that the regulations have changed

[1:19:06] by the time we've submitted it until the

[1:19:09] time they've reviewed it and that can

[1:19:12] also create the

[1:19:14] scenario to require an additional report

[1:19:17] which would require a contract Amendment

[1:19:20] now there are avenues for us to then

[1:19:25] reapply for additional funds to Caltrans

[1:19:29] that will then submit it back up to the

[1:19:32] feds so there is an Avenue for us to

[1:19:34] recover the funds for these amendments

[1:19:38] but that also takes an incredible amount

[1:19:42] of paperwork and time for the state

[1:19:44] first to review it on their own schedule

[1:19:47] and subsequently the Fed

[1:19:50] so this is the reason that that Forbes

[1:19:54] Creek and Harley are taking so long and

[1:19:59] we have applied for the additional

[1:20:01] funding on the Amendments that are

[1:20:04] listed in the staff report but as this

[1:20:08] goes on and we get these I don't know

[1:20:10] that they're small amendments they're

[1:20:12] not huge amendments but they start to

[1:20:14] build up and what we cannot apply for

[1:20:18] and what is not budgeted for is every

[1:20:21] time there's an amendment there an

[1:20:23] additional

[1:20:25] 11.47% match that the city is then on

[1:20:30] the hook for and so as these were going

[1:20:34] along and and Kevin and Nick and I work

[1:20:37] together close on these uh and figure

[1:20:39] out how we're going to get them paid for

[1:20:41] and budgeted and we all felt that it was

[1:20:46] important that we bring this to Council

[1:20:48] in an information piece so that we

[1:20:51] didn't weren't in a position somewhere

[1:20:53] later where we have all these contracts

[1:20:55] amendments that you know the first

[1:20:58] couple were in the city manager

[1:21:01] authority to sign for but we just

[1:21:05] thought it would be a good idea to bring

[1:21:07] this out as information and I would take

[1:21:11] my best swing at explaining that

[1:21:14] process

[1:21:17] and and just let everyone be aware that

[1:21:20] this you know the 11.4 per s the

[1:21:24] 11.47% continues to

[1:21:27] increase with each one of these and this

[1:21:31] is separate from the Avenue we're

[1:21:34] investigating to put partly back

[1:21:37] into emergency repair out of the

[1:21:40] permanent repair this is just this is

[1:21:43] just the natural state of the process

[1:21:46] that we would go through anytime that

[1:21:48] federal funds are involved in a Federal

[1:21:51] Highway pass through to calr

[1:21:53] and so that was the nature of this

[1:21:56] report is to just make Council aware of

[1:21:59] the Amendments and how that adds up on

[1:22:01] our percentage of

[1:22:04] match yeah I mean and that that was that

[1:22:07] was sort of the the big picture item

[1:22:09] that we wanted to bring forward to you

[1:22:10] guys is that when these projects first

[1:22:12] came about following the flooding in

[1:22:15] 2019 uh the prices that we were looking

[1:22:18] at are quite different than where they

[1:22:20] are now and

[1:22:23] 11.47% on what those prices are is a

[1:22:25] completely different number of where

[1:22:26] we're at with 11.4 there um however I

[1:22:30] mean these are problems that are not

[1:22:32] going to go away and they're not going

[1:22:34] to get any cheaper but really we just

[1:22:37] wanted to Daylight this out and make

[1:22:39] sure that Council was aware that you

[1:22:41] know why am I still seeing you know the

[1:22:44] barriers out there by Forbes Creek at

[1:22:46] Main Street why are why are those plates

[1:22:48] still over the top of Harley I mean I

[1:22:51] think it's important to understand that

[1:22:53] these these pieces are going on what

[1:22:56] they mean where we're at in the process

[1:22:58] they will eventually get there it's just

[1:23:00] it's really difficult for us to give you

[1:23:02] a straight answer of how much it's

[1:23:03] actually going to cost because it keeps

[1:23:07] changing and like like Ron said they

[1:23:09] keep kind of it feels like they keep

[1:23:11] moving the ball on us I mean one of the

[1:23:13] biggest surprises that we got hit with

[1:23:15] is uh the cost that they want us to

[1:23:19] secure temporary construction right away

[1:23:23] is

[1:23:24] astronomical not not permanent right

[1:23:26] away but just right away that we'll be

[1:23:30] using temporarily while we do the

[1:23:32] construction they have a formula of what

[1:23:35] that costs and

[1:23:38] it's it's astronomical it adds it adds

[1:23:41] huge percentages to it but it's part of

[1:23:44] that Federal process if we want any

[1:23:46] federal monies we have to adhere to all

[1:23:49] those pieces it's sort of an All or

[1:23:51] Nothing kind of piece and that's you

[1:23:54] know and it's it's difficult and in the

[1:23:57] agency's defense you know they they

[1:23:59] can't give us a whole picture until you

[1:24:01] finish this step and that gives you you

[1:24:04] know what it is that you're up against

[1:24:06] they can't answer all those questions

[1:24:08] until they get that and then you okay

[1:24:10] now like like Ron said oh you got this

[1:24:13] going on so now you have to do this

[1:24:14] eight-step NEPA process uh to mitigate

[1:24:17] for that effort well that eight-step

[1:24:19] mitigation process adds additional cost

[1:24:22] and probably more uh issue is the

[1:24:26] additional time that it puts in and so

[1:24:27] we keep hitting these different things

[1:24:29] so just wanted Council to be kind of

[1:24:31] aware of where we're at and uh why these

[1:24:36] things are one taking so long and two

[1:24:39] why the costs keep going

[1:24:43] up and that and you see a lot of

[1:24:45] jurisdictions will throw in the to and

[1:24:46] just say we don't want anything to do

[1:24:47] with Federal money I mean and that's

[1:24:49] where some of these just jurisdictions

[1:24:51] get to that point and what once you get

[1:24:52] started you're po committed well I mean

[1:24:55] you are I mean we're we're committed I

[1:24:57] mean we're obviously going to have to

[1:24:58] pay for the work that's already done but

[1:25:00] I mean if Council says you know stop

[1:25:01] we'll just figure out a different way

[1:25:03] then um you we still have these half

[1:25:06] completed projects that's not my

[1:25:08] recommendation I just think that it's

[1:25:11] you

[1:25:12] know that

[1:25:14] 11.47% just keeps getting bigger and we

[1:25:16] don't have a very large pot to begin

[1:25:18] with and so it starts to eat away at

[1:25:20] other projects but letting C heartley

[1:25:24] deteriorate is just going to cost us

[1:25:26] more money letting the bank continue to

[1:25:29] erode up Forbes Creek is just going to

[1:25:31] cost more money but I I think it was

[1:25:32] just what we really wanted to accomplish

[1:25:34] tonight was just an update and an

[1:25:36] overview and I wish we had better

[1:25:38] answers I wish I could give you a

[1:25:39] definitive timeline and I wish I could

[1:25:40] give you a definitive price but we

[1:25:43] can't

[1:25:45] okay I appreciate you guys you know

[1:25:48] explaining all that and and um bringing

[1:25:51] it up to the to our attention so we

[1:25:53] could understand it and I think in the

[1:25:56] end kind of like you've touched on

[1:25:59] either it's still a benefit to get the

[1:26:01] federal funds and so long as that's true

[1:26:04] and this is what they make this is what

[1:26:07] they require we're just sort of stuck in

[1:26:10] it and that it costs what it costs right

[1:26:13] and I think that's where we are I I

[1:26:14] don't think we're making a

[1:26:15] recommendation that we still don't think

[1:26:16] that it's a benefit I just it's it's

[1:26:18] taking more time and resources than we

[1:26:21] thought yeah

[1:26:25] putting a few more gray hairs in our

[1:26:26] head yeah it sounds annoying Ron

[1:26:30] very it's a fascinating

[1:26:34] process pry straightforward too

[1:26:37] yeah all right um I'd like to open this

[1:26:40] up to the public any questions or

[1:26:43] comments not seeing anybody jumping up

[1:26:46] to the

[1:26:47] podium uh do we have anybody online Nick

[1:26:49] with their hands I seen no hands raised

[1:26:51] online all right

[1:26:52] uh let's bring it back to council last

[1:26:55] comment receive and file think we're

[1:26:58] done good job

[1:27:00] Ron thank you hey so you just you just

[1:27:03] made your explanation so when you come

[1:27:05] back asking for more money you'll say do

[1:27:07] you remember that night I told you see I

[1:27:09] knew one of them would catch

[1:27:14] on okay um moving along to uh city

[1:27:18] council Communications Ron would you

[1:27:20] like to start with that

[1:27:23] thank you mayor for I have nothing

[1:27:25] further nothing nothing tonight thank

[1:27:27] you nothing to

[1:27:30] report assistant city manager nothing to

[1:27:33] report thank you city manager would you

[1:27:36] skip over David well no I can go

[1:27:37] back I would I would just say uh you

[1:27:40] know once again uh we survived another

[1:27:43] onslaught of Storms and kudos to um you

[1:27:46] both our Public Works staff and PD staff

[1:27:49] who were out there uh little less

[1:27:51] damaged than the last time however um

[1:27:54] we're being very uh strategic in uh in

[1:27:58] going to the areas that we know that are

[1:28:01] first to flood uh you know we put some

[1:28:03] road closure signs out on some areas of

[1:28:05] Esplanade in the lowest lands there um

[1:28:07] we're getting we're getting to that

[1:28:08] point I think the lake is at about eight

[1:28:11] um we probably have in our Arsenal the

[1:28:13] ability to take on one more of those

[1:28:16] storms and after that we're done we're just in we're at the mercy of of

[1:28:22] the lake so we're doing all the stuff

[1:28:24] that we can do um ahead of time uh

[1:28:26] checking the systems making sure that

[1:28:28] we're uh you not overwhelming some of

[1:28:30] our items but um at the end of the

[1:28:32] day if I could change the weather I

[1:28:34] wouldn't be

[1:28:37] here okay interesting

[1:28:40] comment uh City attorney Dave yeah I

[1:28:44] just wanted to remind the council I did

[1:28:47] send you the Amicus brief that um our

[1:28:50] firm filed on behalf of the league and a

[1:28:52] number of other um local government um

[1:28:55] agencies related to the California

[1:28:57] business Round Table case so that case

[1:28:59] is now fully briefed before the

[1:29:01] California Supreme Court so at this

[1:29:03] point I think we just we're just waiting

[1:29:05] for them to set oral argument

[1:29:08] um and but it is it will get adjudicated

[1:29:11] prior to having to publish the pamphlets

[1:29:15] the ballots for the November election so

[1:29:17] that's where that

[1:29:18] stands um since I wasn't here last time

[1:29:22] I can update you I'm a member of the

[1:29:25] Cannabis uh regul regulatory committee

[1:29:28] for the for the City Attorney's

[1:29:30] department and we're update we've just

[1:29:32] finished our draft update of the seed to

[1:29:35] sale which is the League's um guide on

[1:29:38] Canabis regulation so hopefully we'll

[1:29:40] get that thing out soon um and I believe

[1:29:45] that's about all I have to

[1:29:47] report thank

[1:29:50] you council member matina uh nothing to

[1:29:54] report council member Disney yes um as a

[1:29:58] new member to the lakport Main Street

[1:30:00] Association they had their meeting last

[1:30:02] night um and the only thing really to to

[1:30:06] report out of that is March 29th they're

[1:30:09] sponsoring a free movie at the Soares um

[1:30:13] it's going to be Toy Story and so come watch the movie March 29th and

[1:30:20] that's it right come member parlette no

[1:30:23] report uh proem Costa no report and no

[1:30:27] report for myself tonight this meeting

[1:30:29] is

[1:30:34] adjourned

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