[0:01] Good evening. It is 7 p.m. on Wednesday, August 12th. I call to order the town council meeting of the town of Leeds. Roll call, please, beginning on my right. Here in price here. Chris Harvey here. Jeff Allen here. And is anybody online from council? No, no, yeah. Okay. Wayne Peterson here, and I'll just mention that Cole Furley is on deployment with his position with the bomb squad. He was going to try to call in.

[0:28] and if he does, Carrie will note one he joins the meeting.

[0:32] Okay, for the invocation this evening, Susan, would you please provide the invocation?

[0:39] I'm

[0:50] not here to find the cat like this.

[0:53] All the priori are actually helping to find his brain.

[0:59] All right, when the father who are so grateful to be here together in such favorable circumstances,

[1:04] is always so grateful for those who serve us and the town leadership, grateful for those

[1:11] scary in Scott and the people from the fire department who come from out of town. We know

[1:18] they were at long hours and pray for their blessings with their service and safety and their travels.

[1:26] We're grateful for members of our community who have come to the meetings and the efforts

[1:33] that we all make for our border and in our community and and camaraderie.

[1:42] We're grateful for those who are giving their service in so many ways, and

[1:50] You pray for all those who are in harm's way and those who are fighting a lot of

[1:58] harm.

[2:02] You pray for those who are serving in locally or in the country and in the head throughout

[2:07] the world.

[2:08] There are so many who are in harm's way and in difficult circumstances we pray for them.

[2:13] You pray for those who are giving you military service that they will not be open for them

[2:17] to be able to provide those services.

[2:20] Thanks, Heavenly Father, for health and strength, for this community, thank me, thank you for

[2:26] the relief from the heat and hope that Ray might come if that would seem to be it.

[2:32] And we pray for that blessing during this meeting, for the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

[2:37] Amen.

[2:37] Thank you.

[2:38] Thank you.

[2:39] Everyone would please rise.

[2:41] Thank you.

[2:42] And first, join me in a moment of silence in memory of those wild land firefighters who

[2:49] who have lost their lives this summer fighting the fires and providing for our safety.

[3:05] Please join me in the pledge of allegiance, begin.

[3:09] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

[3:16] which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[3:28] Are there any abstentions or conflicts to declare this evening, beginning on my left?

[3:36] I have none and Wayne Peters and I have none. The consent agenda for this evening consists

[3:43] of tonight's agenda for August 12, 2026 and the meeting minutes of July 8, 2026. May

[3:51] I have a motion to approve tonight's consent agenda. I'll make a motion to approve tonight's

[3:56] consent agenda.

[3:59] Okay, any questions or comments from Council roll call vote. Please be getting on my right air price. I Chris Harvey. I

[4:07] Jeff Allen and Wayne Peters and I for announcements. There are a few this evening one that's on the agenda. The cookout dinner will be on Friday, August 21st,

[4:23] We hope it won't repeat what July was was the heaviest rainfall of the month I think right at about 6.15.

[4:32] But it is scheduled for 6.30 there on week from Friday.

[4:38] At this point, I would like to call on Javen Lambertson to come forward and share with us some information regarding the fire wise program.

[4:46] There

[4:55] has been some a little bit of confusion about the fire-wise stuff, but leads became

[5:02] a fire-wise recognized U.S.A. site, which means all of our community members and stuff

[5:08] we put in effort to do fields reduction, take down dead trees, and do a total investment

[5:17] about $14,000 to do some clearing.

[5:20] I had to go do, basically go take a lot of photos of homes that have growth, common areas,

[5:28] going up and down Main Street with the trees, etc.

[5:31] Send that into the state, and basically if they, we're going to release the high risk

[5:37] so they put that in consideration.

[5:40] So what I did is how to do this whole like 800 page paper I feel like and send it in and

[5:46] then go off if you could be approved or not.

[5:48] What it is is, since we are a high recognized site or a high risk area, it potentially can bring down your resident insurance rates.

[6:02] So if you take a picture of that certification, you'll be able to send that in and your insurance people might be happy and lower it.

[6:07] And then it opens up grants and funding for us to be able to do mitigation stuff with her and fire.

[6:12] So, um, obviously I'm on the agenda today for it, so in two weeks we're hoping to be

[6:20] able to get on the agenda, I don't know how really how that works, to be able to speak

[6:24] about it.

[6:25] I'm telling you you said that your wildlife partner would be able to come and speak on

[6:30] behalf of this with us and kind of give everyone more in depth and kind of explain what it

[6:36] means.

[6:37] Do you schedule that with him?

[6:40] With the person that was coming to talk?

[6:44] Yeah.

[6:44] Or is it?

[6:47] Yeah, if I could get hold of it.

[6:49] I was just on the phone a little bit ago with Cole.

[6:51] And he was saying either him or someone from the department

[6:54] would be able to come.

[6:54] Honestly, he would be the best fit for it to be able to explain.

[6:58] And it is in August another month we only have one.

[7:01] We only have one meeting.

[7:02] It will be in four weeks.

[7:03] It would be on September 9th.

[7:04] We'll have that.

[7:05] So that gives him more time to get it on the calendar to September 9th.

[7:09] That's where we're going through here.

[7:11] Okay, yeah, cool.

[7:13] And that will just get, like I said,

[7:16] we'll explain it more, kind of let people know more in depth,

[7:20] because hurricane fires get in calls.

[7:22] I'm getting calls that news are calling us wanting to do

[7:24] a sort of article on this and explain like,

[7:29] why hasn't their insurance rates haven't went down yet?

[7:31] Well, that's not how it works right away.

[7:33] And then funding too, they said it would be the middle next year and the next year we

[7:37] end up coming with a thing where they want us to mitigate or whatever then that will

[7:42] be the end of next year but want to get more in depth with that later but if that's something

[7:47] that we could get on and speak then we could go from there but just to kind of eliminate

[7:51] some of the confusion we'll be able to talk about it a few weeks and go from there.

[7:55] Okay, well thank you very much appreciate all the work that you put into that, Jim.

[8:00] Okay, I have another announcement yesterday I was notified by Paul Morris of the silver

[8:09] cliffs development group that they now have a purchase and sale agreement with the owner

[8:15] of B's market which is located in Colorado City and they will be putting in a 50,000 square

[8:24] foot grocery store along Old Highway 91 included in it will be some restaurants

[8:30] and other food services. They also will be putting in on an adjacent property

[8:39] that's going to be within leads. A hardware store with a lumber yard attached

[8:46] to it. The lumber yard may have a lot of customers early on with regard to the

[8:52] construction that's going to be taking place. It's not mandatory, but it's one

[8:57] possibility that might happen. They raised that as a definite situation that

[9:03] they think could unfold. And we will also be looking to receive their

[9:09] application. I was notified to annex into the town of Leeds, the portion that's

[9:14] in an unincorporated Washington County, as well as another tenake or parcel that

[9:19] is currently an unincorporated Washington County in the residential area that is currently has a

[9:27] development agreement with the county that they're going to look to withdraw and enter into one

[9:32] with the town of Leeds. So we are moving in I think very much the right direction with that.

[9:40] It's been worked on for quite some time by the Silver Cliffs organization and the town had

[9:49] requested that a grocery store be put in, and it's not going to be a little one. It's

[9:54] going to be a big one. So I think that's very good news and appreciate having the opportunity

[10:00] now to share that with you all. That moves us to the public comment. As we have done in

[10:07] the past, we asked Chief Butterfield to start it off if the mayor is smart enough to remember

[10:12] to recognize him, which I am this evening, and then we'll move on to public comment after

[10:17] that department

[10:26] answered 500, seven calls. 300 and E3 of those were medical-related,

[10:32] and the other two kind of fell into the, or 124 fell into the fire or other

[10:37] categories. So we're about 20% above call volume from what we were last year

[10:45] and we're pushing and giving for close to 7,000 calls, we're taking this year. So we're

[10:51] We're busy, we're right on track, so I guess how many questions for me?

[10:59] When you hear about the developments that come and the amount of potential new humans in

[11:05] a spot, in a space, in a, you know, because what is your response to that and in your projections?

[11:13] and like I can't wait till the silver, silver cliffs.

[11:19] Silver cliffs.

[11:20] Get a fire station built out here.

[11:22] So we can be closer to provide a quicker service to you guys.

[11:26] So that's part of their agenda?

[11:28] Yeah, there's a property over there allocated.

[11:32] We have a plan for a fire station footprint for it.

[11:36] It will be very similar to one that's being built out

[11:39] And the entrance is hand-hauled.

[11:43] And that doesn't replace anything.

[11:45] That's just additional.

[11:48] Right now, it takes quite a bit time to get out here.

[11:53] I mean, they're core candy and more lubricant.

[11:56] So, it'll be great.

[11:59] The fire doubles inside every now and then.

[12:01] So, it'll be out here, it'll be close.

[12:03] It'll be great.

[12:04] Medical urgency to be able to get to you quicker.

[12:08] It's, I'm excited for it, but I can't wait.

[12:12] Can you comment about the current station we had just done the road event?

[12:15] A couple of the, is that going to still be there?

[12:18] Why is this going to conflict with that?

[12:20] What's the deal?

[12:21] So I don't know for sure.

[12:23] I'd be Chief Decker or Chief Colford.

[12:25] The question?

[12:26] I don't know what their plan is there.

[12:28] Two separate divisions inside the organization.

[12:31] See, that's right now.

[12:31] That's the wild land guys.

[12:34] I'm not sure what chief's plan has with that just yet, but I'm sure he has something he just haven't told me.

[12:41] I do know on the other station that's going out there.

[12:44] It's exciting for us.

[12:47] Any questions from members of the public for Chief Butterfield?

[12:52] Okay, thank you very much Chief.

[12:56] Okay, that brings us the public comment period for everyone else.

[12:59] Yes.

[13:05] Is he available for September 9th at 7 p.m. for a presentation about the Firewise

[13:15] USA program? Yes. Yes. Excellent. Okay. We would ask that you please join us then.

[13:22] That would be great to see you on Wednesday, September 9th at 7 p.m.

[13:30] Okay, thank you. I always like to look at people when I talk to them so that there's

[13:37] our out.

[13:41] Okay, anybody from the public wish to comment at this point? Okay, there'll

[13:47] be a second opportunity at the end of the meeting so we will make it available

[13:52] that as well.

[13:55] There is no public hearing this evening, so we have a couple of discussion

[13:59] and possible action items. Items 9A and B are somewhat related. The development of

[14:07] silver cliffs had a somewhat unique approach certainly for the town of Leeds to installing

[14:12] the roads. They installed the roads with curb the entire length of them, and that wasn't

[14:18] oversight. It was intentional and they are looking as each home gets built to cut out the portion

[14:25] of the curb that would be where the driveway apron is going to be put the driveway apron in

[14:31] and also put the section of sidewalk in. The hope is that they won't be ripping out things that

[14:36] get damaged and putting them back because they're not in there other than that section of the the

[14:41] curbing. Our ordinance really does indicate that that is covered but this is

[14:46] trying to provide clarifying language just to make sure that there's no

[14:51] question when it comes to that process that we have the fees in place and the

[14:56] process in place for them to encroach on.

[15:00] What is dedicated to the town, which is the roadway, including that curb, and to replace the portion of the curb with a driveway apron and the sidewalk along the front of the property. So there's language that is just being suggested to be clarifying, which is what is in ordinance, 2026-05. And I will jump to the point just now, therefore, be it resolved by the town council, the town of Leeds, Utah,

[15:28] That at a regular meeting, duly called noticed and held on August 12th, 2026 upon a motion

[15:35] duly made and seconded and by roll call vote, the words including chip seal are replaced

[15:40] with including chip seal curbing and sidewalk in sections 8A2A and 8A2B of the consolidated

[15:47] fee schedule previously adopted by the Leeds Town Council as ordinance 2026-01.

[15:53] one. So is there somebody from town council who would like to make a motion to approve

[15:59] ordinance 206-05?

[16:03] Certainly. So does this apply to all new developments inside of our area? What about

[16:09] stuff that has been disconnected from us? Obviously, it's not included there. So how do we make sure

[16:16] that this practice that is being done with the curbing is really become quite common

[16:22] in the last 15 years.

[16:24] It used to be more that they poured in a different type

[16:29] of drive approach, but everything's about money.

[16:34] And so now they come in, do the curb cut,

[16:36] and then put it in.

[16:38] Once they know what house is going there.

[16:40] My question is, did the county have the same curb cut?

[16:43] I'm talking about new developments.

[16:45] Can I anticipate that new developments,

[16:46] whether it be silvery, for whether it be the right vine

[16:50] or whether it be any place.

[16:52] Now, so we're just disconnected,

[16:53] which was my second question.

[16:55] But can I anticipate that we'll have continuity

[16:57] in the entire city we'll look like it was built

[16:59] by the same people?

[17:00] In other words, there will be curbing

[17:01] that everywhere in the development.

[17:05] I don't think so.

[17:07] Here's what could happen is so that depending

[17:12] on the size lots, let's say the area that's disconnected.

[17:16] I think the hope is maybe in the future

[17:19] that that annex, you know, there's the possibility that it could annex back into the town.

[17:26] One of the things that can be talked about when that development comes in is the county

[17:32] has an its standard that when development happens in our adjacent to, I'll use just so it's

[17:39] less emotional use the sky ranch area as an example.

[17:43] It's an unincorporated island, it's pretty much surrounded by her city.

[17:49] And so when that area is developing, what the county code says is whichever standard

[17:58] is, a stricter is one and go by.

[18:02] And so in this instance, a lot of them in the town, the towns would be stricter than the

[18:09] counties.

[18:10] and so if the town wanted it, if the town didn't want it, then the county wouldn't force it up.

[18:16] Did I answer your question?

[18:17] I did when I pushed the answer out.

[18:19] Well, the thing is our ordinance, as I recall, currently reads that

[18:24] curving gutter are not throughout the whole town.

[18:27] That it is mainstreamed as where it is mandated.

[18:30] And elsewhere, it's actually stated it's preferred not to have it.

[18:34] So the whole...

[18:36] Sorry, I didn't answer that.

[18:40] And unless there was a change to our land ordinance that said we wanted it throughout

[18:44] the entire town.

[18:45] What I just said is the whole development that we're talking about is going to have

[18:49] turbid gutter.

[18:50] Yes, it is.

[18:50] Contrary to what we just said about preparing not having a turbid gutter.

[18:53] And it was part of the process that was followed when they approved the actual development two,

[19:00] three years ago.

[19:06] So it's kind of a development specific at this moment, which is the one that's built

[19:12] with all the curb and gutter or the curb and already in place.

[19:17] So I have a motion that we make the changes to the ordinance on the curb and gutter and

[19:25] the chip seal, the verbal changes on it.

[19:28] Okay.

[19:28] Is there a second on that?

[19:30] I will second.

[19:31] Okay.

[19:32] Any further questions or discussion roll call vote beginning on my right, please

[19:38] Before I answer is there any further discussion on that. That's what I

[19:42] I didn't have any

[19:43] Oh, but I was just trying to check okay. He wants me to argue

[19:47] I wanted to see it. Well, I

[19:48] Use my

[19:50] Voice so it's on the record. I am I'm not sure I'm pro sidewalk or not pro sidewalk

[19:56] I like prefer walking on the sidewalk than out on the traffic so to that level. I'm a little bit pro sidewalk

[20:01] Certainly in areas where there's a lot of traffic or where there's a lot of congested houses, but I've lived in a country a lot of my life

[20:07] And there's no curbs and gutters when you got 50 acre spreads up look and so I get that

[20:13] But I also like continuity of the town proper, you know

[20:15] I don't like the town to be hodgepodge together. So

[20:20] I made a comment. Now I expressed my opinion and I'll go ahead and vote when I turn the vote

[20:26] I'm going to go ahead and say air and price I

[20:29] Chris Harvey I

[20:30] Jeff Allen I and Wayne Peterson. I

[20:34] I would offer up that as it's been explained to me one of the interest is the cost certainly of the thing when when homes are a bit further apart

[20:42] The other is that it is the runoff of water that when you capture it and have it run for a distance and then let it go

[20:50] There's a lot more volume going in one place

[20:54] So there are pros and cons to it, I agree.

[20:57] I wasn't expressing my opinion that we should all go

[21:00] to government, I'll go to courtless and go to this.

[21:03] But I do like continuity in city property.

[21:05] Yep, okay.

[21:06] That moves us to a related item 9B,

[21:10] amending ordinance 2007-08,

[21:12] with ordinance 2020-606 amendments to encroachment permits.

[21:18] The now therefore be it resolved

[21:20] by the town council of the town of Leeds, Utah, similarly at the meeting this evening,

[21:25] and we're going to have a motion on a roll call vote.

[21:28] The fee amount is to be currently reads $45 per square foot of service for excavation

[21:34] of pavement including chip seal, $6 per square foot of gravel surface, and $3 per square

[21:40] foot of unimproved surface are replaced with the fee amount is to be as specified in the

[21:45] The town of Leeds consolidated fee schedule in ordinance 2007-08, section 13A, and the

[21:52] words deposit the sum of $125 are replaced with deposit the sum as specified in the town

[21:59] of Leeds consolidated fee schedule in ordinance 2007-08, section 13B.

[22:05] The reason for this, it is recommended by Utah League of Cities and Towns as best practice

[22:12] when you have a consolidated fee schedule to use it and to not try to specify

[22:18] in each and every ordinance what the fees are because when you change your fees

[22:23] if you don't remember to go back and change the fees in the ordinance that use the numbers

[22:27] you get into the situation where it's arguable what the fee should be.

[22:34] One fee schedule to change all the time and you can do it annually and it

[22:39] covers everything. Great. So we want this. Okay. I want this. All right. Is there any discussion

[22:46] before I ask for a motion so I don't get it out of a sequence here. Yeah. Okay. All right.

[22:52] With not is there a motion to approve ordinance 202606 amendments to encroachment permits stated in

[23:00] the ordinance 2007 away.

[23:04] I make a motion to approve ordinance 202606

[23:11] and updated with the wording about the fee schedule.

[23:17] Okay, is there second?

[23:18] I'll second it.

[23:19] All right, roll call vote beginning on my right, please.

[23:23] Aaron Price, aye.

[23:24] Chris Harvey, aye.

[23:25] Good morning, aye.

[23:26] And Wayne Peterson, aye.

[23:28] It gets us to discussion items.

[23:30] There'll be no action on any of these this evening.

[23:33] Cemetery is including but not limited to military monuments,

[23:37] status of disconnected Catholic and Protestant cemeteries

[23:43] I would turn this over to the representative on Council for

[23:48] Cemetery's, Jeff Allen, and to our sexton,

[23:52] Doris McNally. Jeff, you want to...

[23:54] I think it's making the introduction come into this.

[23:58] Doris is our sexton and she's doing a great job of carrying for our

[24:00] Cemetery's and making sure that they're in top notch condition.

[24:04] And I appreciate that. I think a lot of us appreciate that.

[24:07] She's been working tirelessly for military monuments at the same time.

[24:13] Do you know that we have military celebrations there, or

[24:17] recognitions there, at least once a year, sometimes twice a year,

[24:20] and sometimes we're strumbling around on grade with craves,

[24:23] all that stage in place.

[24:24] There's a proposal that's being put together to improve that condition.

[24:29] So she'll bring that up.

[24:29] I just wanted to express a.

[24:32] My appreciation to our sexton for all the work that she's doing.

[24:34] And two, suggest that we all give some pretty serious ear to what she's suggesting here.

[24:41] And we'd like to see us have this discussion for a couple of town councils with either at the end of that process.

[24:50] Motion to move forward or a motion to see some disease.

[24:53] And we'll see how that goes in a month or two for us.

[24:59] Yeah.

[25:00] So thank you.

[25:02] I put a few slides together just to kind of give an update.

[25:05] because the council's relatively new so I thought it might be a good time just to go through

[25:08] a review. So my van away I'm going to test. Yes. And now your van just messed up the presentation

[25:14] mode. Okay.

[25:18] I got nervous. Very sad on your version. Your presentation mode should be

[25:24] down the bottom. We'll just scroll to the next page now.

[25:33] Okay. So just four visuals. Okay.

[25:35] We're talking about the three cemeteries of leads.

[25:38] You have the one is the Silver Reef Protestants Cemetery.

[25:41] You have the Silver Reef Catholic Cemetery,

[25:44] and then you have the lead cemetery.

[25:45] So let me give you a quick update on all three of them.

[25:48] So relevant to the Pioneer Cemetery,

[25:51] that is the largest cemetery of all three.

[25:54] It has the potential for 724 people or internments.

[25:59] It is also one of the least of they populated,

[26:03] and those has a lot of unknowns.

[26:05] One of the things in the future is the next slide just to give a visual, these are the number of plots.

[26:10] The area to the right and a little rectangle, that is the Lions Club area and that was opened up in a few years back.

[26:17] And it's non-denominational, the entire cemetery is non-denominational, those core parts.

[26:24] But that is the area where we actually have, we really know where the bodies are.

[26:28] Everything to the left of that rectangle needs to be investigated.

[26:32] And now I have plans to be able to investigate rhythm as well as might be in what we need to do,

[26:37] be going to the next slide.

[26:39] The next one is the Catholic Cemetery.

[26:41] This, of course, is under the auspices of the Catholic Church.

[26:45] There's 104 plots there.

[26:47] We currently can identify at least 38.

[26:50] I think the number is 50, 50.

[26:54] Oh, available 50.

[26:55] No, available 50.

[26:57] Not only 35 or something.

[27:00] There are no.

[27:00] So this is a cemetery where our hands are tied a little bit, if you go to the next line.

[27:07] Here's a visual of where it is over in that little square.

[27:10] The first two cemeteries I'm talking about are part of the DMXation,

[27:14] so I'm going to have some questions about at the end of the disconnect.

[27:17] But here's currently where the parcel is currently listed in the report's office that owned by the town of Leeds.

[27:24] I would go any further than that, but that's what it is.

[27:27] And this is the area of where the cemetery is,

[27:30] goes next slide.

[27:32] One of the things I've talked about in the future is

[27:34] the Board of Discussion I mentioned you before the meeting.

[27:37] Okay.

[27:38] One of the recommendations that I have had for a little while

[27:41] and wanted to talk about is the fact

[27:42] that we bring fine wash over the development

[27:44] coming into the area.

[27:45] There's really no places for new cemeteries,

[27:48] but there is an adjacent parcel

[27:50] that a piece within the town of Leeds parcel number that could be developed for

[27:56] either color barriers or end or cemetery for the future. So this is an area

[28:02] where there might be growth which is one of the things we need to talk about as

[28:05] a town as the council. Then we have a Leeds cemetery. Right now there's 500. I

[28:12] can't see it from here. 549 and 548 spots. I think right now we have a very small

[28:18] number of plots available. The companion plots where husband, wife, together are

[28:24] twin-bling. There's probably only about six of them available. The rest of them

[28:28] are all singles. So this is the one that's the most popular within the town right now.

[28:33] Nice question. Is it legal in your absence? It's a question to me before but I need

[28:36] to ask you to give this another one, right? Is it legal to go to deep and plot your job?

[28:41] Yes, you can't go to, you can't do too great on top of each other. You cannot go to.

[28:46] that's in Utah in the state of Utah, at least in this area.

[28:49] No.

[28:50] So it's one parcel.

[28:51] It's one plot, one cemetery, OK?

[28:55] Give you the next slide.

[28:57] Here's an image of the cemetery.

[29:00] We've done a lot of work over the last few years here

[29:02] and here in the next slide.

[29:04] First thing we did is working through the council.

[29:06] At the last council, we were able to obtain the U.Land

[29:10] down at the bottom where the cars are

[29:12] to be able to use that for additional parking

[29:14] in the future. And on the left hand, we also, on the back of the parcel, we were able to work

[29:20] with John Zee and get some more land and be able to do some things back there. One of the

[29:26] things we've always wanted to do is take advantage, do some improvements in the front of the cemetery,

[29:31] where possibly put a memorial area for the military so that we can host most of our beds there.

[29:38] And then on the right hand side, the one-only shade tree that's really good there,

[29:42] kind of create that in public park, you know, have some visuals and I'll show you

[29:46] really next slide. So a year ago, just only, it's actually about 12 months ago, 13

[29:51] months ago, landworks working with myself and also the previous council of the

[29:55] Danielle Sterling did a series of engineering drawings for us and this is just

[30:00] So, here's just a showing of what they had in the front. And what you're seeing in the bottom, and that lighter round circle is the Sunkin Garden. And then where the square is, is actually a pad for parking, for handicap parking, and also the area with military memorials within the next slide. So, here's some visuals of what they had given us is that the idea here was to have individual monuments for all the branches of service, and then have flags behind them to represent each one of them.

[30:29] And if you can't have leaves here, that's one of the things we do every year at the September

[30:34] 11th and the 4th of July.

[30:36] All the celebrations we have to cemetery, we bring out the individual flags and we put

[30:41] them out and we pay respects to each one of the branches.

[30:45] Next slide.

[30:46] So this is a visual, like an example of what that's something garlic might look like.

[30:51] There's an area that we could actually sink a little bit down and this work could all be

[30:55] I've talked to Mark Osmo, we will know Mark loves working on these type of things.

[31:00] These are not things that we have to bring in in here in firm and to do.

[31:03] We can actually do it ourselves and make it look very good.

[31:06] The idea here is also whatever we do, we want to be able to, if we have to change it in

[31:11] 10 years or 15 years we can, we don't want everything to be permanent.

[31:15] We want it to be something that could be moved because we don't know what's happening with

[31:18] the land to the left of us and to the right of us, so we want to be able to reflect

[31:23] what we do. So next slide, this is the concept for the military areas just by getting some

[31:29] good stone and being able to build these little columns and then purchasing these brass

[31:35] emblems for each one of the military. Be able to have a place where we could put the flag

[31:40] behind it and then actually have representation for each one of the militaries. Once again,

[31:45] this is not, this is very much hand work. This is stuff we can do. You don't have to hire

[31:50] somebody to do it is just laying stones in a certain pattern and just having the emblem placed on the front of it.

[31:57] But it's the purchasing material that we need to talk about the next slide.

[32:02] That's the end of the thing.

[32:04] So, relative to the three cemeteries, I kind of didn't get an update.

[32:09] We've gone through a lot of renovations of all three including the Protestant cemeteries.

[32:14] We put a fence around it to protect the stones and protect the area.

[32:17] and I have to say the area has stayed a lot cleaner.

[32:20] The leads cemetery has become a lot cleaner

[32:22] with the actual work of getting volunteers

[32:24] that one day, but the area is a lot cleaner.

[32:27] So I think over the last three years,

[32:30] we've seen significant visual improvement.

[32:33] Beautification is one of the use that works

[32:35] and how they talk like that word.

[32:37] All three places.

[32:38] But what we really like to do is lean in

[32:41] on the entire plan that landwork gave us

[32:43] was for the entire leads cemetery.

[32:45] It wasn't for the other two, it was just leads.

[32:47] We'd like to parse it all out into phases, and the first thing we'd like to do is address the military area because that is where we really have most of our activities and where really our hearts should be.

[32:59] We have over 96 military people within three range yards, and this is where we pay honor to every single year.

[33:06] So the questions that we have...

[33:09] There was a question from the audience.

[33:10] Do you want to take a question from the audience? That's your quote.

[33:15] So it was me, my brother, dad, on a pretty successful landscape company, and I'm gearing

[33:20] to you if this was a thing, they get contractor pricing on stone, and then they would probably

[33:26] want to tear their time to build those as well, just so you guys know, so it comes down to

[33:31] that thing the price could be cheaper.

[33:33] I will have a conversation with you, I will have a conversation with you.

[33:37] One of the things that we're trying to do is the three cemeteries, two of them have a

[33:42] similar aesthetic.

[33:43] The lead cemeterie has a little bit different aesthetic.

[33:45] We want to try to make sure all three cemeteries look like they came from the same pedigree.

[33:51] And that's the first question that I think we have.

[33:53] And these are really just questions we don't need to have answers right now, Mayor, but we'd

[33:57] like to just know a little bit more.

[33:59] With the disconnect and these two cemeteries being identified in the disconnect, even though

[34:04] we have a deed for the set, the Catholic cemetery.

[34:08] The question I have is on a few different levels.

[34:11] If we're going to invest these funds,

[34:13] times, and efforts, are we going to be able still to,

[34:17] do we have to go through hoops and ladders

[34:19] to get things approved by another entity

[34:21] out of ourselves, going to answer it?

[34:24] The second thing is, is that relevant to any revenue

[34:27] that's generated from the sale of plots,

[34:30] Do we still maintain the money that are gained and do we still have a budget for these

[34:37] cemeteries?

[34:38] Or does it just become the lead cemetery once again, no need to answer, okay?

[34:42] And then third thing is relevant to the documentation because every single year you're supposed to

[34:50] be reporting to entities about who's in turn, what breaks there are, what's, you know,

[34:55] all the data that we have, this stuff that I've worked on for the last three years and getting

[34:58] with database together, is that something that we continue to manage, or we mandate

[35:05] it to hand over to the new entity.

[35:07] So there's a few questions relevant to the senators.

[35:11] I just, I think once again, having read most of the obituaries for each one of these people

[35:16] and the families, I have to tell you, I've become very, I now understand the town so much

[35:21] deeper in relationship between people, and I think whatever we can do to maintain that

[35:28] responsibility of management over it, whatever we need to do, let's see if we can do it in a good way, because it's really our history.

[35:35] These are the people we're up high in years for our area.

[35:38] So could I recommend something. Doris has brought up three good questions. I think we're on that.

[35:44] And I don't think we need to pull the trigger and go out to the questions right now.

[35:47] But I think we're out to take those three questions. Maybe we've had it written down if we don't have them already written down clearly.

[35:53] and take a three-week tour until our next town council bring this up again and

[35:59] kind of take take the next step of work to Doris is done because she's getting

[36:02] quotes on options that we can take forward some ready to propose okay but one of

[36:07] the last question so the first question is relevant to the two parcels that were

[36:14] involved in disconnect what is our relationship with them and what is our

[36:18] managing another side of the park second thing is financially what is the

[36:24] the other thing is if we're going to spend money and the approval process, it's got what

[36:31] we have to go through about that. But the biggest question is so when Lori Hutsaker was

[36:36] here and Lori Hutsaker was the one who seeded this thing in my mind many years ago when I first

[36:39] came here, she actually got a pretty significant group of donation money towards the cemetery.

[36:45] And at the last council, I had asked a few times and I was told at the last council,

[36:51] I believe, I remember this, it was $14,000 that were still available for the cemeteries,

[36:57] but it had been populated into another category.

[37:00] But these are donations that happen for people for the cemeteries, once again, we don't

[37:04] need to answer.

[37:05] These were donations given by people for the cemeteries and the question is, is that money

[37:11] available for cemeteries, or do we have to share other options?

[37:17] And so that's kind of the questions we have tonight to just get on the record.

[37:22] So could we put a task together for the next month, because we're not going to meet again

[37:26] until the next month, right?

[37:28] To maybe try to dig down into that and be able to, line by line, answer the question about

[37:33] the funding, answer the question about the loan's responsibility, and where our responsibility

[37:38] stops and somebody else starts.

[37:40] And what was the first one that you asked?

[37:41] The responsibility in the two?

[37:43] Well, then also the records?

[37:45] Oh, the other one is cost center, cost center.

[37:47] Senator, do you are, this is the question you know I talked about, when we take money

[37:52] for burials and so forth, does that money, is that a money that the cemeteries can use,

[37:58] or is it something that goes into general budget, you know what I'm asking, so is our cemeteries

[38:04] a profit and loss organization, or is it part of the general funding of the city?

[38:09] Is that a fair way to say that?

[38:10] That's a fair way to say it.

[38:11] Once again, we're not looking for answers right now, but I think that considering the amount

[38:16] effort and time that's going into this if if we don't have the money and if we don't have the

[38:20] management oversight of this all of this work is for not it's like we you know to go forward

[38:26] we really need to know that we do have some say in this and we can go further and start to lock down

[38:31] some of the the quotes are all locked down it's been very difficult because it's 250th anniversary

[38:36] to secure these emblems but I've been able to get quotations on them and everything so I'm ready to

[38:42] do you present a proposal, what the question is, do we have the money or do we need to start

[38:47] from scratch and start or just say it's not a responsibility at all.

[38:51] So that's kind of the question.

[38:53] I prefer the process going forward.

[38:55] Let's get those three questions answered.

[38:58] And I'd like to get it documented in our town units so that we don't have to go back and say,

[39:02] oh, who really has responsibility for this?

[39:04] I think that's for that.

[39:05] I'll just kind of get it documented clearly.

[39:07] I think Scott, you can help out with that portion of it, right?

[39:10] Yes.

[39:12] And then in the finance question, can we get, is it carry indoors that can do in and try to figure that out?

[39:19] What do you think?

[39:21] There are a couple things I want to bring up tonight just because they're wonderful here.

[39:25] I think it's important to hear.

[39:26] So I'll just shut up if you can bring up.

[39:28] All right. I don't want to try to answer everything tonight but I think it's very important because we have people here who might not be here the next time.

[39:34] I did work with Carrie to get the information about the two different cemetery donation

[39:41] campaigns that took place.

[39:43] One of them was in 2022 during which $13,350 was raised.

[39:51] There was a state cemetery grant for $1,000 bringing the total $14,350.

[39:57] 50 dollars. That when it was being campaigned was specifying that it was going to be getting

[40:03] fencing for the cemetery. A total of 10,067 dollars and 23 cents was expended for fencing

[40:12] materials and 4,170 dollars for fencing installation. That brings the total that was donated in excess

[40:22] of that down to about $112.77. There was then another campaign and this I know less

[40:31] about because I was not mayor at the time, but we had a total of $4,100 that were received

[40:41] in donations. There were a few larger expenditures that were done that I don't know if they were

[40:46] part of this campaign or not. $1,550 for the tree guy. $1,645 for a survey and $7,650 for

[40:59] landscape design. That total $10,845 far exceeding the $4,100 received donations. I don't know

[41:06] if they were intended to be matched or not against that. My biggest concern is when people donate money

[41:12] and it is accepted by the town for a specific purpose.

[41:16] We need to make sure that it is used for that.

[41:18] From what I'm seeing, the first campaign certainly came very close to matching with things

[41:22] that I was aware of as I was finishing up as mayor four and a half years ago.

[41:28] The other thing that was brought up just so that people are aware, the state of Utah, if

[41:33] you collect perpetual care money, their response is given to us.

[41:39] Because all too often people provide perpetual care money and then the money runs out so the state says we'll manage that money and it becomes a very involved process and my understanding is almost every municipality does their level best to not take in perpetual care money.

[41:56] We are selling plots in our cemeteries on an ongoing basis, that's budgeted as far as revenue.

[42:04] you, there are expenses associated with an actual burial, but that's not the plot sale.

[42:09] The day will come when we will ultimately sell every one of these plots.

[42:14] That type of expenditure and revenue the town has historically treated where the lot sales

[42:20] are revenue in that year.

[42:22] And then the town also budgets not based on just the lot sales for that year, but for the

[42:27] amount of upkeep that it can afford to do on the cemeteries out of the general fund.

[42:33] Ultimately, once you're done selling the lots, all you're going to have is the expense.

[42:37] And my expectation would be that future town councils would take the view that we do

[42:42] need to maintain our cemeteries.

[42:44] So they don't go into a dedicated fund the way that donations do.

[42:49] And I just wanted to share that, not because I'm trying to answer all the questions tonight.

[42:53] The other thing that was mentioned that is new to my thought process, and we have Scott

[42:58] out here and I said contacting at 9 a.m. tomorrow when he has his county hat on and find out

[43:04] the kind of things that were allowed to do and not do that might be in conflict and I don't

[43:10] know if the county has anybody who oversees cemeteries in general but if no such person exists,

[43:17] make sure we can not violate county ordinances and potentially ask to change county ordinances

[43:23] is if we think they might be amenable to it in order to allow those

[43:28] cemeteries to be what we would envision them. In the disconnect, they did stay

[43:33] part of the town of Lee. And so they didn't leave. And it was also stated in

[43:39] the disconnect agreement that they would maintain access to them at all time so

[43:45] that if they're under construction, they need to factor in that somebody who has

[43:50] a burial plot there might unfortunately pass and we're going to have access to that cemetery

[43:56] in order to make that. So the intent throughout is going to be that this will be a town

[44:00] of leads. It's just like the museum is actually owned by the county but that's in the town

[44:05] of leads. So this is the opposite where the town of leads owner it's in the county.

[44:10] We would have to, I think, as I was mentioned, the new light bulb in my head is we want to make

[44:15] sure we know what the county's reaction would be to that, just because it's going to

[44:21] be something.

[44:21] And we did get money for the pioneer and the pioneer someone, the cemetery is the

[44:27] Catholic and Protestant ones, as part of the disconnect agreement.

[44:30] So thank you for the clarification, because the $14,000 was one of those things that we

[44:34] never really got from Tara Foto, so I appreciate that because this is the first clarity we've

[44:40] had.

[44:40] I've heard in the six years or five years I've been doing this.

[44:43] The second thing is, I was able to locate the Catholic Cemetery Dean, he was in the back

[44:48] room last year, and I actually brought it to the clerk's office, so you actually have

[44:53] a copy of that Dean, but the Protestant Cemetery has no parcel number on it, it is not allowed.

[45:06] Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm excited about doing some things for the military, but also, I think one of the things we need to keep an eye on is that we either we need to really rethink the Protestant cemetery and how we're going to be using it. Put more common variants in or upgrades above ground, because we really have very little cemetery space left getting what was going on with the government.

[45:29] But thank you for your consideration and just wanted to update you.

[45:33] Okay, thank you for all the work you do as section I know that there is no scheduled time

[45:41] when your services are going to be highly needed and it's nice how responsive you are

[45:46] and your ability to make the very unfortunate process for the family less challenging.

[45:54] So I think you will know this in smile.

[45:55] today's an anniversary for me one year and I'm not a resident of the cemeteries I don't remember what what do we

[46:09] have on our budget did we budget anyone this year we got about three thousand and I think it was six but I

[46:16] was like okay so basically there's only three thousand dollars left because according to your

[46:21] calculations when we we've overspend and I'm assuming it came out of our past

[46:27] budget in the past years and so all we have now going forward is it is three

[46:32] to three thousand so if we need more funds if that costs six thousand then we're

[46:37] gonna have to have a campaign and ask for donations or whatever we need to do

[46:42] if we're gonna make that in the future. I would like to suggest that we treat past

[46:47] expenditures as water into the bridge. Oh yeah, I look forward to this thing and say, I personally believe that I'm proud of the cemetery. So when I first moved here three or four years ago, I was not incredibly proud of the cemetery.

[47:00] You were kind of dusty dirty little places, right? And they're better and better. And they're not getting better and better like that. They're getting better gradually, which is the right thing for us to be doing.

[47:09] And I think the stuff that Doris is presenting and will present is going to show step-by-step

[47:14] improvements that will make them, I think, a real asset to the town, I hope they will.

[47:20] And so I'm excited about that.

[47:22] As far as revenue far or not revenue, but funding for it, I personally am absolutely not

[47:29] terrified to have a campaign to go race in donations for this specific thing.

[47:33] And then we'll see if how much the town wants to support beautification on our cemeteries.

[47:38] And frankly, I think we've got a town who recognizes the sacrifice of the Constitution

[47:45] as we tell the majority of the members of our town, the people who are alive and are dead.

[47:49] And I'm okay with that.

[47:51] I think that's a marvelous way to generate some money for this thing.

[47:54] So in conclusion, my partner, thank you, Doris.

[47:57] Well done.

[47:58] Appreciate it.

[47:59] I have a quick question.

[48:00] So the 3000 that we do have in our current fiscal budget year is for the maintenance.

[48:07] not not for projects it's there's not any limitations on what we could do

[48:13] with that you remember that way and I don't know can I read that that was a

[48:19] portion that was left over when we were getting the county taxes and it was an

[48:24] increase and we said we would dedicate that to the cemetery so that wasn't just

[48:29] for maintenance that for example was to be a strong enough available to us okay

[48:34] I just, my other question I've gotten, I'd like to just ask this specifically to the

[48:39] Council and maybe to the Mayor of New York.

[48:40] There is a shed in the southwest corner of the cemetery that I've looked inside of it

[48:46] and it's a disaster.

[48:47] It's dirty.

[48:48] It's filthy.

[48:49] It's got rats in it.

[48:50] I'd like to propose that we tear it down and make that area available for plots and part

[48:55] of the regular cemetery because I don't think it's valuable to us.

[48:58] I may add to that.

[49:00] If you're in agreement with me, you can talk, if not.

[49:04] We actually had agreement from the previous council to do that before some reason it never was

[49:09] able to be facilitated because of the people availability.

[49:13] But that area, the door is broken.

[49:17] It's a place for vandalism, a bank of iris, whatever you want.

[49:21] It's really terrible inside, and it's covering enough space that I could probably open up

[49:26] another 10 grades, 8 to 10 grades.

[49:28] And my feeling is that if we were to purchase a small shed

[49:33] and put it up by the parking lot for any kind of rakes

[49:36] or stuff like that, clearly Bill and anybody

[49:40] who needs to go over there, the materials are here

[49:42] or somewhere, I just think that that area is just,

[49:47] it's right in the middle and that's where actually two

[49:49] of larger families in our town have asked,

[49:53] if you ever put that down, will you give me that spot?

[49:55] because their family members are right next to it.

[49:57] So I support removing it for a few different reasons.

[50:01] So may I make a slight change toward you to set?

[50:03] I see no incentive to build another shed.

[50:06] It's not built.

[50:07] It's purchased.

[50:08] I know.

[50:08] I don't want to go purchase another shed.

[50:10] Because we've got no excess rakes laying around

[50:12] that you have to go in it.

[50:13] And until we build it, wherever the rakes are,

[50:16] they can stay there.

[50:18] But I'm the future for any other shed we do that.

[50:21] Anyway, that's my proposal.

[50:28] So if I was hearing correctly, I would then take it that you would like it to be another discussion item on September 9th.

[50:38] I just would just agree to it right now and get a tour down this week.

[50:42] You need to have it on the agenda.

[50:50] That moves us up to the updating of roads and parks capital facility plans and impact fee calculations.

[50:58] The roads plan was from 2026 to 2025 so it's time to do another 20 years and I'm only

[51:07] introducing it tonight with some interesting thoughts. And that is in the

[51:12] 2006 to 2025 plan, the population of Leeds in 2006 was 824 people. In 2005 was

[51:24] 783, while the state of Utah is saying we're 780 people today. Now the number

[51:32] of rooftops in 2005 was 286 and here in 2026, we're at about 380 at this point.

[51:44] And it doesn't seem Congress, seems like something's happened there.

[51:49] The one thing that is a situation is if you are not a primary resident of the residents

[51:56] that you have here, you don't get included in the population.

[52:00] And I think it very much would be supported by the fact that we've had a lot of people

[52:05] who have second homes here and as a result we haven't grown the official population

[52:10] but we have the people at different points of the year who are with us.

[52:15] But setting that part aside, it struck me like it's very interesting that the town of

[52:21] Leeds just went through 20 years where very little changed.

[52:25] the population is about where it was.

[52:28] And as we look forward to the next 20 years,

[52:30] I think we would probably look forward to it the same way

[52:33] that the plan was being developed

[52:36] back 20 years ago where the population was estimated

[52:40] at 5,488 in 2025.

[52:46] We also were estimated to have 1,800 homes.

[52:50] Now the current plan in silver cliffs alone

[52:54] is 716 new homes. We have Silver Creek which is the Sitla land that is another

[53:01] 45 homes. There's the portion I mentioned that they are looking to annex in.

[53:07] That's another 25 homes. The point being we're probably headed to where our

[53:12] plan may not look all that different 20 years ago in terms of our starting point

[53:17] and also where we may likely end up to be. But it is going to be something that we

[53:23] need to as a town back in the last town council there was a presentation done

[53:30] regarding the parks impact fee and that was viewed as kind of the easier

[53:34] was our park impact fee is currently $1300 per new resident bill and our roads

[53:42] impact fee is $3,295 per resident's bill. It doesn't apply to any kind of

[53:50] modifications to an existing home.

[53:52] It's only new construction of a new item there.

[53:56] There's also a rate per square foot for commercial

[53:59] on both of those.

[54:01] So that varies depending on the size of the commercial.

[54:06] So these things we're going to need to update.

[54:08] It's similar to what was mentioned with cemeteries.

[54:11] I don't think we're looking for the answers tonight,

[54:14] but rather to just introduce the general situations

[54:17] We have if you go to the town website on the actual page for ordinances what you will see are links

[54:28] To both the roadways capital facility plan and the parks one as well and those are the things we'll be needing to update

[54:37] And I think we need to do it in the next few months here the thing that I think is encouraging frequently to talk about a very expensive and prolonged planning process

[54:47] us to go through where might we be 20 years from now.

[54:51] I think we have a bit of a starting point from what was said 20 years ago and the fact

[54:55] that we've stood very still for those 20 years here, but not expecting it's going

[55:01] to be the same going forward.

[55:03] So unless somebody else from council has something they want to add, I wasn't looking

[55:07] to take it further than that, but I thought it important to share a little bit of that information

[55:12] to get our flood process started.

[55:14] I just want to clarification from my own mind.

[55:18] So we have one, and we're going to update it.

[55:21] And what you're suggesting, Wayne, is that,

[55:24] because we really haven't grown that much,

[55:29] we're just going to use our existing one as a base

[55:31] and not do a full blown down in the weeds,

[55:36] spend a bunch of money to get that done.

[55:39] My understanding is that they looked at things like traffic

[55:42] estimates for what was going to be generated

[55:44] by the growth. One of the major projects was old highway 91 north of

[55:50] silvery road out to highway or 900 north, which is the road that leads into

[55:56] silver cliffs. That is going to be impacted by the 700-600. So a lot of the

[56:02] things that are identified, in no way just want to say, oh, yeah. But if you look

[56:07] at them, you're going to probably say a lot of them match up pretty well with what's

[56:12] what's happening, where the people are going to be, and what the impact is going to be.

[56:16] Yeah, we need to read through the whole thing, but we don't need to do full-blown traffic

[56:22] studies and traffic studies.

[56:24] So each of these areas, so where this is specifying 2000 and 2006, this is specifying, you

[56:34] know, all these numbers in this section, this will then be retooled to represent the next

[56:40] 20 years. Right. And where this table says 1990 to 2025, you're going to start in 2026 and then

[56:47] and 10-year increments. We probably give a little bit of past history like that one did, but yes,

[56:52] include the 2006 to 2025. And then disvalidate that those numbers are, you know, update those numbers.

[56:59] Yes. And then the the traffic study they did, you doubt did to potentially do the interchange,

[57:06] was is that documentation valid as far as it's available and we need to look at

[57:11] that I don't come prepared with all the answers it was just kind of raising the

[57:15] question yeah and I just wanted to make clarify that we're not going to go in

[57:19] depth expecting our general just went out my brain yeah I'm just an old general

[57:26] fine no the the document that says hey here's our vision and general plan yes so

[57:35] So I'd rather spend a little bit more time on that one versus this one.

[57:40] Right, but this one I think we need to update in order to continue to charge the fees.

[57:44] And the one thing that I do believe has changed substantially is the cost of building a mile of road.

[57:51] I'm sure that went way up.

[57:53] So it's not going to be a complete match and it's going to definitely change things in the end with regard to that.

[58:00] So I have a couple of comments that I could make up for.

[58:02] Certainly.

[58:03] And I know I'm talking a lot and I apologize for that, but a couple of comments.

[58:07] I think that if we redo the whole traffic plan, we'll get the same wrong answer, because

[58:12] we're not including the right factor factors in there.

[58:14] We're not including job growth in the area.

[58:17] We're not including the impact of partial resonance.

[58:21] It turns out if we give zero credit to people that have a house, but that's a second home,

[58:26] that's wrong.

[58:27] It shouldn't be zero.

[58:28] It should be something more than zero.

[58:30] And really, if we get a job boom, I don't know whether we will or won't, we are situating

[58:36] in a good position to start this part of St. George because we've got proximity to Cedars

[58:40] City and proximity to St. George.

[58:43] And who knows?

[58:44] We could get a bit of a job growth.

[58:45] That will change things dramatically, independent of the traffic pattern.

[58:49] The other thought is the intersection.

[58:51] The intersection is one of those crazy things where, if you build it, they will come.

[58:56] In other words, if you put that intersection in independent traffic patterns, you'll get

[59:00] a ton of growth and it will happen with that intersection. If you don't put it in, you

[59:05] won't get that growth, right? And so to disconnect those two thought processes is wrong headed

[59:11] in my mind. So those are three things that kind of come to my mind with this deal. Zero credit

[59:17] for part-timers, the impact of job growth, and then the intersection.

[59:23] Okay.

[59:26] All right. I will circulate additional information and we should expect to see it

[59:31] I don't think it's a one and quickly done, but I agree we should spend more time on the general plan.

[59:39] One of the roads question, that section of road was paid what, $1,600, $3,000 for it to repay.

[59:46] We have, we have a responsibility for it, but we have no act next property and next to it.

[59:51] Let's get in the account of our community.

[59:54] I don't want to keep paying money on a road that doesn't matter to me.

[59:57] Well, there's the question I want to ask.

[1:00:00] You suggest, Jeff, is whether or not our boundaries might move up to actually. It's fine. I'll pay for it when we move our boundaries, right? I mean, it's kind of nuts, isn't it? I'm not sure the county, the county is so benevolent to want to just take over the cost of every piece of road. We, we, we don't want to. This is special. This road has no business being deleted. Is that right? There was a mistake made. And we annexed the road without annexing it.

[1:00:29] the property around. There is some property. You're looking at the very small area at the top

[1:00:36] edge of the white blue. There is land, it happens to be BLM1. As the people living there, there

[1:00:41] happens to be BLM1. Right, no, I understand that. One other thing I will just bring up and I will

[1:00:51] probably end up hearing from the Tokerville mayor about this. But should we decide to just give it away,

[1:00:57] They may decide to just take it and the boundary of Togerville may move in closer than you would like to see

[1:01:04] as a result of that decision.

[1:01:08] I don't know.

[1:01:09] It really hurts my feelings to be paying money out that I really don't feel like I should be paying one.

[1:01:15] The distance between that little section and the green section down here below you're all counting stuff, right?

[1:01:22] Okay, all right. Any further comments or points to raise regarding 10B? All right, 10C,

[1:01:32] encroachment ordinances, inclusion of landscaping in town right of way. I was contacted by the

[1:01:40] The developer of Avalon Sky, who asked me to look into this, are existing encroachment

[1:01:50] ordnance, which we were actually making some changes to earlier.

[1:01:54] Has a section now in subsection 4, actually it's in our land use and it's considered to

[1:02:03] be chapter four, which is kind of other, what is it? Land use or an

[1:02:10] inception for landscaping in a public right of white. It says prior to the

[1:02:15] installation of landscaping within the public right of way and encroachment

[1:02:18] permit from the appropriate public authority owning or controlling such

[1:02:22] right of way, shall be submitted with the landscape plan maintenance,

[1:02:26] including weed control of landscaping installed within the public right of

[1:02:30] way she'll be the responsibility of the installer owner or a lessy contractor.

[1:02:36] This is something that I think is a reasonable approach that the town took when they put

[1:02:44] this into the ordinance.

[1:02:45] It doesn't say we're mandatory required to allow people to plant and irrigate on town property,

[1:02:53] but it says if they submit an encroachment permit, we can review it, consider it and decide

[1:02:58] if it actually makes sense. In this instance where they plan on irrigating on their property

[1:03:04] is not far from this island that exists in the middle of Majestic Mountain Road. We're not looking

[1:03:12] again, this is not on for action tonight but I wanted some input from the council because it is

[1:03:19] I believe an administrative act and that is something that normally we're just handled but it's

[1:03:25] It's a little different from anything

[1:03:26] that I've ever seen before.

[1:03:28] I don't know of any other area

[1:03:29] where we have had people with an encroachment permit

[1:03:33] and landscaping and putting irrigation in.

[1:03:36] So I wanted council to share with me either here now

[1:03:40] or call me up and speak with me

[1:03:42] because I think it is in our ordinance already.

[1:03:45] But I wanna make sure that the view

[1:03:48] that I've stated with regard

[1:03:49] to them being in a better position than we are.

[1:03:52] And with us retaining the right at any time

[1:03:55] to say we're going to eliminate those islands. We need it for a road. We're not pleased

[1:04:00] with the way you're maintaining it. It said you would be responsible for maintaining it.

[1:04:04] We're going to eliminate it because it's a fire hazard. Whatever the circumstances might be,

[1:04:09] it's still the town's property. We would make it clear going in that that it would remain the

[1:04:13] town's property. But to the extent they wanted to look to beautify it and maintain it,

[1:04:19] I'm inclined to let somebody have the opportunity if they have a reasonable means to do it. In this

[1:04:24] case water is an important part to do so. But I didn't want to just have it popping

[1:04:29] up and have people saying how did that ever happen. So it's a first time. If we're

[1:04:35] in agreement, we can move forward again. There's a lot of stuff in these discussions. It doesn't

[1:04:40] have to be, we're not voting on anything tonight. But if there is something that you want

[1:04:45] to share here publicly with me on that, please do. If you want to share it with me after

[1:04:50] you thought about it some more, please do that as well.

[1:04:53] Are they submitting a proposal for their landscape plan?

[1:04:57] Meaning, we want to maintain this.

[1:05:00] I would request that they would provide in that

[1:05:03] a description of what they are planning on putting there,

[1:05:07] what irrigation they plan on putting there.

[1:05:10] And presumably how they're going to get that irrigation line,

[1:05:13] I guess they could potentially shoot it

[1:05:16] under the pavement or they might need an encroachment permit

[1:05:18] to go into our pavement.

[1:05:19] Yeah, because no matter where they come from, they've got to come from somewhere, it's all covered, so it's all surrounded by pavement.

[1:05:31] Correct. You got to go under the pavement or remove the pavement and then replace the pavement.

[1:05:35] So is this something where if we looked out from 30,000 foot, we'd have a different point of view,

[1:05:39] and what I'm saying is, it seems like there's a couple of options that we could do here.

[1:05:43] One is we could say, fine, you're able to do that.

[1:05:46] But the risk there is that there's some legal precedent that says if they do it for so

[1:05:51] many years, pretty soon, they own it, and it doesn't matter what we think, right?

[1:05:55] The second one is you say, if they really want it, and we're not using it, why don't we

[1:05:59] just sell it in the land or trade them for another piece of land that we'd rather have.

[1:06:05] But having these little nuggets spread around, it's not very beneficial.

[1:06:09] Well, it's not really a problem.

[1:06:10] It is in the middle of a street.

[1:06:12] Yeah, it's not in the middle of a street anyway, I don't know if you know the history of

[1:06:16] that one? Well I can tell you and I don't know that I think Susan you certainly would remember

[1:06:21] there used to be an Eagle statue that was there made out of metal I'm not sure what

[1:06:28] the metal was I never saw it and I've heard a variety so it got stolen is what I've heard

[1:06:34] in the end I've heard it was stolen replaced and stolen or stolen returned and stolen but

[1:06:40] it ended up in the stolen list by the time it was done so in this case it's

[1:06:47] not a piece of land that's strange that it was put in the middle of the road

[1:06:51] there and I think we ought to think long and hard going forward about the

[1:06:54] great value of that in terms of for the exact reason what are we going to be

[1:06:59] doing with it once it's going to cost but if they wanted to do it inside the

[1:07:03] developments boundaries that's another story my point how many of those islands do

[1:07:08] It's the only one that I know is that it's surrounded by all the way up to Wells Fargo there's a little triangle.

[1:07:17] Oh yeah, the triangle.

[1:07:19] The one you don't want to cut the tree down.

[1:07:20] Okay.

[1:07:21] That one.

[1:07:22] That's a part.

[1:07:24] Yeah, we can call it as a part.

[1:07:26] Well, a lot of people go on the other side and use that as a part.

[1:07:28] There's a little picnic table.

[1:07:30] There's a little picnic table in there.

[1:07:31] There was a fountain there, but I think that got shut off.

[1:07:34] All right, so if by next meeting I I haven't heard back I will assume I've gotten the input and

[1:07:46] We will look to get that plan from them and move through it as an administrative function

[1:07:52] Okay, brings us to staff reports beginning on my right Aaron anything this evening. I nothing the wine won't report

[1:08:00] Okay, Chris

[1:08:03] It's been a minute since we had this meeting, so the meetings that I've attended were

[1:08:10] Washington County Water Conservancy District.

[1:08:13] Silverclose was discussed for water rates and cloud closets made sure to bring up the

[1:08:21] fact that Silverclose is a part of a special service district and leads will not retail

[1:08:27] the water which we like to hear that that's that's a statement to be had. The

[1:08:33] other thing that was brought up that's pertinent to our neighborhood is the

[1:08:36] Angel Springs situation which is which is very concerning to the residents of

[1:08:42] Adenville Springs with their water their water quality the county was in they

[1:08:48] were out Washington County Conservancy District is also in and out and

[1:08:52] Nobody's willing to step in and make decisions and support the 89 residents who have water in that area.

[1:09:02] So as an ongoing conversation that will play out, I'm sure, in some manner.

[1:09:09] Planning Commission, there was a topic of the furrow springs development.

[1:09:15] At least they didn't name it something silver something.

[1:09:17] It's called Furrow Springs, it's just south of the pump station, but north of the other

[1:09:26] development that was proposed was 14.81 units per acre, 24 units per building, 180 units

[1:09:34] total of one, two, or three bedroom apartments in large buildings, and so look forward to

[1:09:44] but there has been some action on that that may or may not make it happen so we'll keep our eyes on that.

[1:09:53] LDWA, the takeaway from that meeting was if there are permits pulled for any reason for development that LDWA needs to be notified.

[1:10:05] And I know there's a checklist and if there's not a checklist, we need a checklist.

[1:10:08] and we need to make sure the line of communication is open for building permits and all the things that LDW presents, it would be nice if there was a room full of people to say thank you for doing all they do to keep our water safe.

[1:10:30] All the valves replaced, all the work that's done miraculously by one or two or three individuals is quite amazing.

[1:10:38] And when you sit in another meeting and look at the pained look on the faces of people whose water quality and pressure and future is all minimal.

[1:10:49] And there's no, they don't have hope for it. Then you kind of say thank you to all things of the WA.

[1:10:56] Another planning commission meeting talked about utopia that's fiber optic right and they're

[1:11:03] building a little switching station which will conform to all the aesthetics which was

[1:11:08] the most important thing.

[1:11:10] One of the things circling back to the furrow springs development, if you see you know there's

[1:11:16] that pond above that the main concern was how to protect the kids from the apartment building

[1:11:23] to the pond that wasn't fenced or protected by any other manner from exploring that little

[1:11:31] neighborhood up there.

[1:11:33] The other thing was interesting, there was a big discussion about somebody wanting

[1:11:38] to do a treatment center in a neighborhood.

[1:11:40] There was probably a lot of citizen pushback, and the attorney made it point to make sure

[1:11:47] you knew that neighborhood opposition and any clamor is not a reason to disapprove

[1:11:54] the request.

[1:11:55] So don't go up there and make a big fuss because it's still going to be a privilege.

[1:12:01] But that had nothing to do with us in New Harmony, but there was clamor that nobody got

[1:12:08] satisfaction on.

[1:12:10] That's all.

[1:12:10] Jeff?

[1:12:11] You have anything in front of you?

[1:12:12] We've already talked about the same shows that I've been covering that.

[1:12:16] The two other areas that I've been involved with is solid waste that I'm going to have for

[1:12:20] the bill.

[1:12:21] Take your trigger after the bill.

[1:12:22] It's a marvelous place and it's changing every day.

[1:12:25] And then I've been involved with the mosquito abatement.

[1:12:28] Anybody to get bitten by mosquitoes?

[1:12:31] So they're abating them.

[1:12:34] One thing I'll say.

[1:12:35] Can you add the nats in on that?

[1:12:39] and I'd have to have my wife outside.

[1:12:41] Okay, but if you see a mosquito issue,

[1:12:45] and if you start getting bites,

[1:12:46] they want to know about it.

[1:12:47] They'll take care of mosquitoes in there.

[1:12:50] You've got a still water around or you've got swampy areas,

[1:12:54] those are perfect breeding routes.

[1:12:56] Surprisingly, in St. George,

[1:12:58] they like to breed in the sewer.

[1:13:01] So, you know, we're very mosquito free,

[1:13:04] and we stay that way,

[1:13:06] because these people are working their guts off

[1:13:07] to make sure that we don't have any malware.

[1:13:10] Yeah, the West Nile is increasing, I guess, like, 35% of the mosquitoes in the state have

[1:13:17] less than that.

[1:13:17] Yeah.

[1:13:19] So be aware of that and be aware that you don't have their number, give me a call and

[1:13:23] I'll get you connected up with them, their first class active.

[1:13:26] One thing that was brought to our attention about Harrisburg in terms of their dumpsters

[1:13:33] and they're they want to make sure that nobody thinks that those are for

[1:13:39] leads people but but but and I said you know I don't know if leads people are

[1:13:45] coming to dump their dumps they're trash in your dumpsters they're in

[1:13:48] Harrisburg but they're right out there in the open and there's a lot of

[1:13:53] sand hollow that's a quite like people that come by but she wanted me to to

[1:13:58] remind everybody that in case anybody who's listening that's not a public

[1:14:03] dumpster and police. You'll be on camera and your face will be plastered into the H.O.A.

[1:14:08] office if you go dump your dumb trash and a Harrisburg.

[1:14:13] It's a big deal throughout the county. Yeah. It turns out that we have two kinds of

[1:14:16] garbage disposal systems here. We have trucks that run around and gather it up and we have dump

[1:14:21] stations and almost every small community has at least one of those two types of things.

[1:14:26] We're blessed here that we have trucks that actually come to our homes and pick it all up. A lot of

[1:14:31] places don't have that kind of capability.

[1:14:33] And they struggle with people, especially part-timers.

[1:14:37] This is why we check part-timers as zero.

[1:14:40] They're not zero.

[1:14:42] They use our resources and they're better than all of us.

[1:14:46] So thank you very much, this thing.

[1:14:49] And by the way, Kudos to Christine.

[1:14:51] I love the chilling drills.

[1:14:52] And there's another one coming up.

[1:14:53] I think you mentioned it on the 21st.

[1:14:56] It's got the word.

[1:14:58] Okay, um

[1:15:00] A couple things to add. Redcliffe's road is a non paved road. There was some damages you get right by Main Street. I'm going to be contacting the Water Conservancy District, checking with individuals who had knowledge of it. It wasn't that way before the construction of that station there. So we're going to contact them and ask them to address it. I also spoke to the county about that and the rest of the road and asked what their plans were for it.

[1:15:28] And they said this autumn when it gets cooler and they hope a little bit damper in terms of the water content of the ground

[1:15:35] They plan on coming to put a blade to the whole stretch

[1:15:38] And they said they'll do the town's portion as well while they have the equipment there

[1:15:42] And if there's a need for some additional material they'll also bring that in and truck it in

[1:15:48] So they're willing to kind of be good good neighbors in the county redcliffe road is in leads when you first leave Main Street

[1:15:56] and then it's in the county and then it's in leads and then it's in the county.

[1:16:00] It just bounces back and forth as it follows its way through there.

[1:16:04] And we have tried always in the past that I'm aware of, coordinate with the county on

[1:16:08] it, and the county because of their share of it has been very good to just say, you know

[1:16:13] what, there's no need for us to lift the blade and drop it.

[1:16:16] We'll just take care of it all the way through.

[1:16:19] The other one is that there's going to be a meeting or two coming up in September with

[1:16:25] Rocky Mountain Power. There is a high-voltage transmission line known as the three peaks to

[1:16:31] purgatory transmission line. If one goes online and looks at the information, it comes

[1:16:37] nowhere near leads. However, their most recent two preferred paths have it coming all the way

[1:16:44] through leads. So we are going to be in communication and I would offer a thank you to the Tuckerville

[1:16:52] mayor who first made me aware of it when they were contacted and had a meeting and he said

[1:16:59] this is going to be impacting both of us. What I'm going to be doing between now is

[1:17:04] Pember is trying to coordinate with the Tokerville mayor. It doesn't make sense for us to get into

[1:17:08] a pushing war where we push it towards Tokerville and Tokerville pushes it towards us.

[1:17:14] I'm not saying we're going to come up with the final route but I hope we can come up with a

[1:17:18] starting talking point that seems to be reasonable and fair that everybody

[1:17:22] involved gets the power to where the power needs to be without destroying the

[1:17:26] natural beauty of the town of leads. I like the plan on the internet that has

[1:17:33] nowhere near the town of leads but I'm not sure we just get to have what I like so

[1:17:38] there will be more information coming forward on that but the town's aware of it

[1:17:44] I'm aware of it and we're going to work with the appropriate people to make

[1:17:47] sure that the voices are heard. It doesn't mean they're going to listen to us and do everything we want,

[1:17:53] but just as was the case with that corridor for higher density development in the county,

[1:17:58] we didn't get everything we wanted, but we made it less unpalatable for the tenderings.

[1:18:06] So why do we need to take a look at each camp capsule of the number of building permits that have

[1:18:15] and extended each two weeks.

[1:18:17] Would that be beneficial for us as a council?

[1:18:19] We certainly could circulate that.

[1:18:21] If everybody would like, we could have carried it.

[1:18:22] So we're not going to say to me, is what's that?

[1:18:25] What would the benefit be?

[1:18:26] The benefit would be that I think it would help

[1:18:28] to morale un-certified building by me taking out.

[1:18:32] Take care, we see what's going on in the room.

[1:18:34] The house is in the building going on.

[1:18:35] I assume they've all got building permits,

[1:18:37] but I can't guarantee they all have building permits.

[1:18:41] And I would hope that you have those options, right?

[1:18:46] So if we're not, if wouldn't that be our ordinance officer checking?

[1:18:50] What was it?

[1:18:51] Well, and the other thing that works is the county does a lot of aerial photography.

[1:18:57] I'm not sure it's every year, every other year, and I will check into the aerial photography.

[1:19:02] But it is very helpful and they will make a community aware of what they believe to be unreported.

[1:19:08] reported development taking place so it's the most up today we've got hundreds

[1:19:17] of building permits being released every month I don't want to see that but if

[1:19:20] we've got 10 a week or 10 a month or something like that maybe it would be

[1:19:23] worthwhile for us to see it to see what's going on in our community make us more

[1:19:29] aware of where development is taking place and it would make us aware of where

[1:19:33] development is taking place that is not being covered by some buildings so

[1:19:36] So the intent would be because so the building permits should come through or plan a commission, right?

[1:19:43] They do not review individual

[1:19:46] To administrative so they've heard the office

[1:19:50] Okay, I think that's a good idea. I don't see where it hurts anything to share that information and it can help

[1:19:57] So I think it's a good idea to share the spreadsheet. That's easy not to do

[1:20:03] We're just looking to see who's two in the building, we're not using it to find people

[1:20:09] who are building something that they should not be building.

[1:20:13] If I'm going to put a bar in up, I probably have to get a building to put that bar in.

[1:20:20] It also tells us where some building is taking place.

[1:20:23] I have no clue how many buildings should get some months we're putting out.

[1:20:27] I'd like to know that.

[1:20:28] and where those buildings are taking place out.

[1:20:31] It gets back to the question of rooftops.

[1:20:34] We are not seeing a rooftop growth consistent

[1:20:38] with population growth, right?

[1:20:41] That should cause us a certain amount of concern,

[1:20:44] because we're not getting tax benefit based on rooftops.

[1:20:48] We actually grew rooftops, though,

[1:20:49] without growing population.

[1:20:50] That's my point.

[1:20:52] That's my point.

[1:20:53] Well, the rooftops are paying the taxes,

[1:20:55] not the population.

[1:20:56] Is that right?

[1:20:58] Yes.

[1:20:58] Oh, I thought this population was paying the taxes.

[1:21:00] No.

[1:21:01] It's property taxes.

[1:21:02] It's property taxes.

[1:21:04] Yeah.

[1:21:05] We don't put it.

[1:21:07] We don't mean any.

[1:21:08] Yeah.

[1:21:09] Anyway, yeah.

[1:21:11] I'm not against it.

[1:21:12] I was just trying to figure out why he could benefit us.

[1:21:16] I'm just throwing it out as a personal situation.

[1:21:19] I won't lose my mind over this one, but it would be something that would make you very

[1:21:25] aware when a place like Silver Cliffs is ramping up. Right now we have two, I believe,

[1:21:31] correct two, building permits for Silver Cliffs, but they're model home type of things, and

[1:21:39] once they are able to start showing people what it's going to look like, you could turn

[1:21:43] into substantially more.

[1:21:44] It's like that road over there when you're headed over to that new road, headed over there

[1:21:48] to Pokerville, you know, just to be just, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a yellow truck

[1:21:53] out there.

[1:21:53] Yeah, there was a road grader at the now there's house popping up all over out there now

[1:22:01] Okay, the other thing is was mentioned earlier this month. There is not a fourth Wednesday meeting

[1:22:05] So just find other things you can do that you can enjoy for the 7 p.m. on where's our on the 26th of august

[1:22:14] Public comment anybody from the public wish to address the town council during this second opportunity

[1:22:20] Okay,

[1:22:24] if you could come up to the microphone, limit the initial comments to a few minutes.

[1:22:29] And if you have more to say, we'll cycle back to you after others have had a chance to speak.

[1:22:35] Yeah, I just wanted to clarify the trip in front of our property, like it is, the town

[1:22:45] kingdom.

[1:22:46] Maybe Carl.

[1:22:47] The Carl Jackson.

[1:22:48] Yeah.

[1:22:48] So the the planter in front of the property that was I believe I understand that is like the property owner's

[1:22:56] responsibility to maintain that

[1:22:58] Landscaping is that landscaping need a

[1:23:02] preventer approval

[1:23:03] from the town for us what to put there

[1:23:07] Bush's cactus rocks whatever it's trip a dirt between the sidewalk and the road

[1:23:13] It's a park strip

[1:23:16] and that is something that I would say I will need to look into just to see

[1:23:22] what language is there but I don't believe that that would be viewed as the

[1:23:27] same thing as the encroachment but I will get back to you on that.

[1:23:31] Thank you.

[1:23:34] Anyone else from the public?

[1:23:40] Start with your name just because of the recorders.

[1:23:43] You're talking about the easement thing that people are talking about to landscape.

[1:23:49] Easier way just so people don't have to go under the cement, but I was thinking it's

[1:23:52] just gravel, put some boulders, so someone does ever hit it or whatever it's kind of like

[1:23:56] somewhat of a blockage thing.

[1:23:58] Two, the dumpsters and stuff you guys are talking about, the firewise thing that we got done

[1:24:03] will pay for chipping days, will pay for fun for dumpsters to come here and fun for clean

[1:24:11] updates and stuff like that. So just so you guys are aware of that. So I don't

[1:24:15] need to understand that a little bit more detail. We already have biannual dumpster

[1:24:20] days, quarterly dumpster days.

[1:24:25] Can we get more dumpsters coming out to do

[1:24:27] community dumping? Yeah, absolutely. So who did is that paid for?

[1:24:31] Is that just covered by the county? Oh, okay. Yeah. So it shows on this, and then a

[1:24:37] couple weeks when I do, when I talk about it, I'll have more of a thing for you guys,

[1:24:40] but it does see that we can get funding for, like I said,

[1:24:42] shipping days, more dumpsters, et cetera.

[1:24:45] So as far as I know, I've seen the dumpsters down here.

[1:24:49] So one area that I've, and I pull in and I've talked about this,

[1:24:54] there is encroachment in the freight, in the site,

[1:24:56] in the roads of rubbish coming in.

[1:24:59] Brush it coming in?

[1:25:00] Yeah.

[1:25:01] Can we brush hog to that?

[1:25:02] And will it help pay for that?

[1:25:03] But that seems like a pretty good fire issue, 100% yet.

[1:25:06] So they, as an assessor, like a wildfire

[1:25:09] mitigation specialist which is being and then they'll have another one come from

[1:25:12] the state and we kind of find areas where like okay this needs to be assessed but

[1:25:17] yes those are huge because for chains on trailers or if someone looks to

[1:25:21] cigarette that's like that should all be clear no matter what and knock around

[1:25:26] here and it's a safety deal because people walk on the streets and they're kind of

[1:25:29] forced right on in the track and I don't know if you guys see in Navy but it's

[1:25:32] silver reef up there Alvarado and stuff like the road is this big but you're

[1:25:38] driving in a road this big, because the brush is kind of back, but it's pretty bad.

[1:25:43] That wasn't you.

[1:25:44] Just letting me know that, yes, that will eventually be able to be funded.

[1:25:48] But that's what grants and funding is for, is to help prevent wildfires.

[1:25:53] So a lot of people can't really get out and go do their own yard and stuff like that,

[1:25:58] or they can't help putting money for the big creeks and stuff.

[1:26:02] So that's just basically a little bit of funding that we're supposed to get.

[1:26:05] and I'll have more information on that in a few minutes, but I just want to ask about that.

[1:26:10] Okay, thank you. Anyone further from the public?

[1:26:16] Okay, seeing none, there is no need for a closed session this evening, so it is 8.27 p.m. and we are adjourned.

[1:26:25] Thank you everyone for coming. Enjoy the rest of the August month here.

2026.08.12 Leeds Town Council Meeting

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