[9:43] For example, I thought it was a problem. That was just, that was

[10:56] just a problem.

[10:58] So that's the social concern.

[11:02] It's a good idea to say.

[11:03] Yeah, well I've talked to it when he came to pick up hisinder and said don't forget about 30 years.

[11:07] And then he'd buy 30 in that.

[11:09] I was like, okay, let me just remind everybody.

[11:12] But I don't know if Ms. Bolton checks her email that anybody takes her email.

[11:17] I

[11:26] didn't open it.

[11:27] I already responded to him, and I concluded you, and I just replied back to the text and essentially told him,

[11:35] yes, they're not getting him.

[11:39] Okay, but essentially we don't have a say over that.

[11:43] We don't get it.

[11:43] There's nothing we can do about it if they are.

[11:45] They're not going to explode.

[11:47] You can't.

[11:48] Well, even with Table Cabana, you can't go to them.

[11:51] If they please don't close because we don't want you to.

[11:53] It doesn't work that way.

[11:55] So, but I have, do you make a guess for there?

[11:59] Sarah on it.

[12:00] Two for the CPI code.

[12:01] I don't know.

[12:03] I'm sure he did.

[12:03] He texted me and said, it doesn't matter.

[12:06] Yeah, yeah.

[12:07] It's okay.

[12:08] Are we ready to go?

[12:13] No, no, no.

[12:14] No, no, no.

[12:15] No, no, no.

[12:15] No, no.

[12:15] No, no, no.

[12:16] No, no, no.

[12:18] No, no, no.

[12:19] No, no, no.

[12:20] No, no, no.

[12:20] No, no.

[12:21] No, no.

[12:23] No, no, no.

[12:24] to go into the next section and he asked me to do a registration.

[12:32] You just want to have a two week period.

[12:34] He always leaves at this time and goes back home.

[12:38] I know everybody's vacation schedule.

[12:40] I'm just teasing him.

[12:43] He drives exactly.

[12:45] All right.

[12:45] Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Lyon Valley

[12:48] Crime Control and Prevention Board of Directors meeting.

[12:51] Today's Tuesday, June the 2nd, 2026, and approximately 532 in the afternoon, and we do have a

[13:01] quorum.

[13:01] All city council members are present.

[13:02] Not city council right now.

[13:04] That's right.

[13:05] All the time.

[13:06] Control prevention board members are present.

[13:09] Thank you for that clarification, city manager, and we'll begin.

[13:16] Citizens to be heard is agenda item number two.

[13:18] I don't see any citizens in the room.

[13:20] So, we will pass then to the consent agenda, 3, 3.1, consideration of the following

[13:27] crime control and prevention minutes, August 19th, 20, 25, we have the Crime Control

[13:33] and Prevention Board of Directors Minutes.

[13:36] Is there any corrections or additions to those minutes?

[13:38] And if not, may I have a motion and second to approve?

[13:44] I'll make a motion that we approve this, second.

[13:48] All right.

[13:49] We have a motion by Councillor Compos and a second by Councillor Roscoe to approve consentage

[13:54] and a 3.1 S presented.

[13:57] All those in favor say aye.

[13:59] Any opposed?

[14:00] The motion does carry.

[14:03] Moving to the regular agenda, presentation and a public hearing for the City of Lamb Valley

[14:08] Crime Control and Prevention District, this school year, 2026-27 budget and we have...

[14:15] It will be Carol, but I just want to give you a brief calendar.

[14:18] and then Carol Gary and our finance director to present.

[14:22] Good evening and welcome.

[14:23] Good evening Mayor and Council.

[14:25] So I kind of wanted to explain why we're here this evening,

[14:28] why you're seeing it this early, all of the things.

[14:30] And so essentially what happened is at some point,

[14:34] the legislation changed and you're supposed

[14:37] that your crime control prevention district board,

[14:40] which you all function as a crime control prevention district board.

[14:43] So right now you're not wearing your Council hat,

[14:46] You're functioning as a board that's going to recommend to counsel the crime control prevention district budget and so when we originally set up the crime control prevention you're allowed for your counsel to be

[15:00] Both the crime control prevention board, as well as the city council, can be one of the same. And we prefer it that way, because you can control all the money is dedicated to that account. If you had a board, they'd make a recommendation, and the council would still have to do what was best with that budget. And so we've always had it that way. That's the way that it was set up, and it works really well.

[15:21] The thing about it was, is, is that you must, the crime control prevention district board must have a public hearing a hundred days before it gets seen in front of the council.

[15:32] And so doing the math, your board is supposed to meet a hundred days prior.

[15:36] And so that's why you're seeing it tonight and not in August.

[15:38] But that was a change in the legislature.

[15:41] Yes, but not this last legislator, a while back.

[15:44] But this is the first time we're doing it that way.

[15:46] And so what happens typically with us sometimes is we get something started, we've had

[15:52] Transstaph transition and so we have a new person on, we're trying to figure out your best uses of your funds

[15:59] And so in looking at the definition and how we can spend your crime control prevention district funds and we wanted to make it more detailed

[16:07] So as we go through this budget, this will be the first time you see this budget, this detailed

[16:12] It's tied to programming, and one of the big reasons that we wanted to tie it to programming is one for it to tie in to

[16:19] the reason for the sales tax dollars, but secondly, for us to be able to prove to your voters

[16:26] that this program is being used for crime control prevention, because they have to vote on this sales tax every seven years or so.

[16:34] And then your future, it will come back on the ballot to see if the voters want to continue with this sales tax.

[16:39] And so these programs will help y'all make that justification, and that's a one-ascent sales tourist.

[16:46] Okay. And so Carol's gonna go through this detail budget with you. You'll see that it's way more detail than you've seen in the past.

[16:52] And so we're hitting all of our tickers. We have the public hearing this afternoon.

[16:56] As a crime control, you as the board will vote on the resolution. That does not mean you're accepting this budget.

[17:03] Remember, you're not functioning as the council, you're functioning as the board.

[17:06] So you will vote on that resolution and then the council when you hear this budget then you will make the

[17:13] Determination if you want to delete something reduce something move something to a different and so that all you're doing

[17:20] You're not voting on it and this is concrete

[17:22] This is your essentially like the way planning and zoning works. They make a recommendation to the council

[17:27] You're making a recommendation to yourself essentially. So that's the purpose of tonight's presentation

[17:33] But I wanted to go over the logistics with the y'all and how we ended up here and the purpose of tonight because I know

[17:40] I don't think Miss Merch or Miss Bolton has been a part of the crime control prevention

[17:46] in detail like this before so just okay. I'm going to turn over Carol. Okay. Thank you

[17:52] Good afternoon Carol and welcome

[17:55] Appreciate all yours efforts on not just this budget, but the whole big budget that we just got

[18:01] So I know you did a lot effort.

[18:06] So to now, as you know, I'll be presenting the Cram Control budget for fiscal year 27.

[18:13] The Cram Control is funded by dedicated sales tax.

[18:17] This is separate from your general funds.

[18:20] These funds are legally restricted to Cram Control Prevention purposes.

[18:25] And they're specifically authorized under the Texas Local Government Code Chapter 363.

[18:34] Now, we're all the programs most served at Crime Control or Prevention purposes,

[18:37] and that's the programs that I'm going to be presented tonight,

[18:40] and we'll be going over all of them individually.

[18:45] So tonight, I'm proposing two categories.

[18:48] One is equipment and technology.

[18:50] This one will keep all your officers equipped with your proper safety equipment, and the second one is the low enforcement.

[19:00] These category houses, your positions, special events over time, and the program of a facility program.

[19:10] All these programs are authorized under the Texas Local Government Code Chapter 365.

[19:17] And so this is just the summary of both categories with each of the programs and the total

[19:24] program budget would be 669,553.

[19:32] So, starting with the first one, the first program under the equipment and technology initiative,

[19:37] we have the vehicle replacement program.

[19:39] This program will keep our patrol fleet under 100,000 miles.

[19:46] So we are proposing for this fiscal year to buy one vehicle for $68,000.

[19:53] And for adding $5,000 for vehicle uplifting.

[19:58] These will be all the wrapping of the vehicle and just making sure that vehicles are ready for the officer to use.

[20:07] Now, each program will have a performance measures.

[20:11] So, this is tied back to what Dr. Christophe was saying,

[20:15] that every year we're going to present to the board

[20:18] with how the program was doing

[20:21] and how we've been used in that money

[20:25] if it was for crime control or not.

[20:27] So, under the vehicle replacement program,

[20:30] you'll have three performance measures

[20:32] that we're going to present at the end of next fiscal year.

[20:35] The first one is vehicles replace versus the numbers schedule annually.

[20:40] That's just a number.

[20:43] Then the average fleet mileage at time of replacement.

[20:47] And the third one is how many vehicles are exceeding the 100,000 miles at the end of that fiscal year?

[20:53] And who came up with these performance measures?

[20:57] What entity?

[20:58] Just based on the program.

[20:59] Okay, it's not written in some place that we have to replace them at a hundred.

[21:04] That is actually something that we have to do.

[21:10] So, a few years ago, we were holding on to them until they broke, we got sued by an

[21:18] officer that we weren't providing safe vehicle equipment and so TML came back and recommended.

[21:24] And we do hold on to vehicles over the 100,000 miles if the vehicle seems safe.

[21:31] We do a safety check, we do all the things.

[21:34] You had a, you don't want to do improper maintenance per, you know, that big old manual

[21:39] you'll get when you get a car, we don't have a fleet manager for all of your equipment.

[21:44] So it's relied on the sergeants and police officers who aren't mechanics.

[21:49] And so we have to make sure that the oils changed, the fluids are changed, all of the things done on the vehicle that are required over the 100,000 miles are at 50,000 miles.

[22:01] And so we do, we do hold on to vehicles, but the recommendation is to start switching vehicles around 100,000 miles.

[22:07] You're also, the vehicles aren't like your everyday vehicles.

[22:12] You're not just using them, they're constantly running and so in order to hit those safety

[22:17] checks and put our officers in those vehicles to make sure that the engine, in this particular

[22:22] case, the engine, explode it or went out, the vehicle stopped in the middle of Band Air

[22:27] Rhone.

[22:27] He was slammed from behind and it was because we didn't change the, we didn't follow our safety

[22:32] protocol.

[22:33] And so we've changed that process but there are some vehicles we do hold on to over 100,000 miles

[22:39] if we need to, but our goal is to hit that mark if we can't.

[22:44] I was not aware that we'd gotten sued.

[22:46] It was part of a workers' complaint.

[22:49] All right, very good.

[22:50] Thank you.

[22:50] I've just was curious where that came from.

[22:52] Thank you Chief.

[22:53] And thank you.

[22:56] The next program is the officer safety equipment program.

[23:00] These program will fund all your tasers and body cameras that we're going to purchase.

[23:05] Now, if my understanding that we don't purchase them annually,

[23:10] it's just we're purchasing as they go out of five of your contract.

[23:17] And do?

[23:18] Yes, chief com.

[23:19] We have a good evening.

[23:20] Good evening. Welcome. We're glad to hear.

[23:22] Mayor and Board.

[23:24] We have a five-year contract with Axon for our body cameras.

[23:27] At the end of the fifth year, we get all

[23:31] All our equipment is resupply, they give it to us.

[23:36] This is the best and most accepted way for police equipment to be used because we do

[23:47] abuse it and in order to maintain a rotation of good equipment, we have to get into this type

[23:56] of contract where we get replacements on a regular basis.

[24:00] Because even your equipment that isn't being used is not going to work the same as the new things that are coming out and being developed.

[24:09] So, axon has a program and that is what we signed on to.

[24:13] Okay.

[24:14] They are the most accepted body cameras in the police field.

[24:19] So, that's 33,200 for how many body cams.

[24:23] So, it's actually more than that.

[24:24] This is a portion.

[24:25] Oh, this is the portion.

[24:27] So, every police officer has a body camera.

[24:29] Okay. And then we have to have our spares for our reserves. And then we have to have our spares for the ones that break in the course of doing our duties.

[24:41] Okay.

[24:42] All right, so.

[24:44] We probably have 60, 65.

[24:48] Okay, total. That's what I was wondering. How many we have total? Okay. Thank you.

[24:55] Moving on to the next program, we have the communications and technology program.

[25:00] This program funds two systems. The first one being the Cardinal, RMA service contract.

[25:05] These handles every call, this badge, an incident report.

[25:10] And you also have your radio airtime for a total of 27,336 dollars.

[25:21] The next program is the Cranment Lab Evidence Program.

[25:24] This is a focused operational supply program.

[25:27] It makes sure that the officers at the crime scene

[25:31] never run side of evidence kits.

[25:34] That's why we have under this program

[25:36] evidence kits at 5,000 evidence processing

[25:39] at 6,600 and for a testing at $10,000.

[25:44] For a total of $21,600.

[25:50] The next program is the CD camera program.

[25:53] This is a float camera.

[25:54] This is going to be a new camera

[25:58] that the chief will explain.

[26:01] But I thought we got a grant.

[26:03] For the first year.

[26:04] This is for the second year.

[26:06] Corrid.

[26:06] Okay.

[26:07] Gotcha.

[26:07] That's what I thought.

[26:08] But I wanted to clarify.

[26:09] I thought it was this year.

[26:12] And that concludes the first category.

[26:15] That is the equipment and technology category.

[26:17] Now we're going to start at the low enforcement one.

[26:20] The first program will be the personal engagement program.

[26:23] these funds to officers and 50% of your assistant police chief salary.

[26:30] This is your largest program at 364,417.

[26:36] It also includes the share personal services that we transfer into the general fund,

[26:43] and a portion of the liability insurance.

[26:49] The next program is the patient.

[26:50] Please be interested.

[26:51] second, Councillor Combo's had a call in our question.

[26:55] So does this include the prior slide, the one you have right there's the one I'm talking

[27:00] about?

[27:02] Any new officers in here or is it the same as what we were doing last year?

[27:06] Okay.

[27:06] The same location as that.

[27:08] Yes.

[27:08] Councillor Marsha.

[27:10] So could I ask why we don't have anything in the actual and the budget for the prior years?

[27:16] Yeah.

[27:16] We've got to have this budget before.

[27:18] a new program so we didn't have a budget or this detailed

[27:24] budget. I'm not understanding. So you're used to get your crime control

[27:29] prevention budget as part of your actual budget, which you'll see in here as

[27:33] well I kept that the same, but you didn't have actual programs tied to it. We were

[27:38] just allocating officers and equipment over there. And in re-reading the law, it

[27:43] really kind of says you should have crime control prevention programs and

[27:48] And we grouped everything as the whole budget, as a program, and looking at other cities, wanting to do things different, really kind of trying to make things more detailed, really trying to tie everything in together, I had Carol and Chief worked together to set up these programs based on how we've been budgeting.

[28:08] And so the numbers that you see here aren't any really different, but we wanted to allocate some funds from the general fund over into your crime control and in order to...

[28:22] Yeah, no, no, we took some money out of your general fund operating and put it in your crime control operating.

[28:31] And in order to pay for like evidence kits and stuff that you normally don't see there, we normally pay for just your police office.

[28:38] We pay for a lot of personnel out of there.

[28:40] And so Carol shifted some money over into there.

[28:43] We need to make sure that you're operating what comes in as far as you're revenue and your expenditures all match.

[28:50] And so we wanted to make sure that not everything was coming out of general fund.

[28:54] That was the direction from the council was to use your other funds.

[28:57] make sure you're not increasing that reserve fund in your crime control. We need to use it

[29:02] which we agree and so instead of just using it for personnel. Now we bought other things from

[29:07] crime control before out of here but we were able to break it down even more and put it's not a lot

[29:13] like $30,000 but we were able to really allocate that based on the programs that are over there.

[29:19] And so you'll see that as I go through the council presentation you'll see the years change on some of those

[29:25] slide here, but the reason why I didn't put anything on the actual

[29:29] and budget is because these problems were never

[29:32] presented before this way.

[29:34] But I'll show you how we had it before.

[29:37] Thank you.

[29:38] I'm just, I can't, well, this personal enhancement program

[29:42] support another half-time employee or, you're out.

[29:48] You have a healthy fund balance.

[29:50] That's why I always wonder.

[29:51] You're, you don't.

[29:52] Well, it's 600 and something.

[29:54] That's your total expenditures, so in order for you to fund another officer, you're...

[30:00] We have to have operating revenues. So, right now, your operating expenditures are going to match your operating

[30:07] revenues. This budget is a balanced budget.

[30:15] I'm just asking. I know we can address this when we're going through the budget. I'm the new higher

[30:21] expense. So, do we not send them to psychological testing or do any processing expenses before we

[30:28] to hire, or is it in another category?

[30:31] No, even, right.

[30:32] With under our contractual services,

[30:36] it's under a contractual services.

[30:38] So we've sent them for psychological testing and stuff.

[30:40] Yes, you have to be required by the law, too.

[30:51] Yes, Councillor.

[30:53] Compass.

[30:54] Thank you, I'm making a notice.

[30:55] So I do see what you're saying about your operating revenue,

[31:01] having the expenditures, not exceed that,

[31:03] where we're going over is on the capital out there.

[31:06] And that's where the balance is coming down to 600,000.

[31:11] But would we be using funds like this for the future police

[31:17] radios?

[31:18] Would this be a source of how we would pay?

[31:21] Because it's only, this only relates to the police department.

[31:25] We still have, when we upgrade radios,

[31:29] my understanding is that fire cannot be used.

[31:32] Funds could not be used out of this.

[31:34] So, you know, we can't, you don't take from your reserve fund to fund an employee.

[31:40] So, you're operating and your expenditures, that's a wash.

[31:45] You don't add an employee, because operating is, your employee is continued operating expenses.

[31:50] Now, we are bringing down your crime control reserve fund, but I'm doing it to where you're not,

[31:57] you're not going to zero out that account, and whoever told you all that that's the way you should do it is just wrong.

[32:02] And so, and the big reason for that is, is you have other things coming up.

[32:10] We have the property room coming up.

[32:11] You have radios coming up.

[32:13] You, at some point, as we're shifting your police officers into general fund, their cars,

[32:21] everything that goes along with those police officers are going to have to come from somewhere.

[32:27] And they're going to probably have to come from here, because you're not going to have

[32:31] not in your general fund reserve in order to support those officers shipped over.

[32:35] I think what would be helpful.

[32:38] I know this is the first time we see this and I want to commend you.

[32:41] I was very impressed by this format, but you know, if we could have similar to our regular

[32:48] budget, you know, the capital outlays that we're projecting, that would help us as well

[32:54] as we see.

[32:55] Okay, there are 600,000, but we can see the future, hey, this is what?

[32:59] that's in your capital, right?

[33:01] This is what the uses are in the future.

[33:04] Thank you for that.

[33:05] Yes, and it kind of is already in the other room.

[33:08] It is in the other budget.

[33:09] So like, because you're seeing this as the board,

[33:12] the board isn't going to spend really the capital,

[33:15] your council's going to see the capital.

[33:16] So we have that in your or other budget.

[33:22] Now the next program is the special events over time,

[33:25] detailed program.

[33:27] This program is not funded.

[33:29] However, I wanted to present it to the board already to have set up a program that will

[33:37] fund any overtime of officers if we have an city event.

[33:44] So by having the program already said, we can potentially, in future events, use or fund

[33:52] this personal overtime.

[33:54] And these will give us a little bit more options on how to use the money.

[33:58] So how much are you recommending that we're right now for this proposed budget is going to be zero

[34:04] I'm just proposing to you saying in the future right so I'm just want to present the programs as well as the budget

[34:09] This right now isn't over time. I mean, you have it categorized

[34:13] We have another time buzzing in earth wise right over time for the July so so that's everything will be here

[34:20] No

[34:21] So the police officers that are here under crime control if we decide

[34:27] The reason I put it in here at zero is I don't know what you're going to do with your fourth of July event

[34:34] If you come in and you say I want to hold 180,000 fine the money and we got to figure that out

[34:40] I need to pay for over time

[34:42] This gives me another portion. You're not going to pay all of your overtime out of here

[34:46] You're going to pay for the officers that are paid out of here

[34:49] Those four officers or five officers that are in the crime control. They're over time to attend that event

[34:56] there overtime would be paid out of here and so I had it we had it set up for the potential

[35:02] of that possibly happening in the future if I have a crime control prevention district

[35:08] officer and we had the holiday lighting and they're going to be those are the officers

[35:13] are going to be attending that event and they're going to be here at overtime I would budget

[35:17] for their overtime in there right now I don't have these officers scheduled at any of those

[35:24] events. But I was also preparing, so I don't have to create a whole

[35:28] other section and do all of that. If you change your mind on the

[35:32] fourth or you want to add a different event, I'm prepared to be able to

[35:36] do that if we need to. So but it would only be for the officers that are

[35:40] budgeted from that account. Okay. Thank you. Councillor Compos. And just so

[35:46] we're all clear. This is just for special events because in the regular

[35:52] expenditures, you do have overtime. That's not, that's just related to the ordinary over

[35:58] course. Correct. This is a just for CD events for crime control situation. And that's

[36:05] when the overtime will. Okay, so it's not the regular special events that we have listed

[36:10] them in the budget. It's outside of that. Okay. I didn't know that. That's why it's zero because

[36:16] we don't know that yet. There's $34,000 of overtime.

[36:19] And

[36:29] the last problem that we have under the law enforcement is going to be the proper

[36:34] room.

[36:35] This is just a portion of your proper room, which is $100,000, which equals to the 20% of

[36:43] the total project that we have on the police, the general fund, and the forfeiture fund.

[36:54] And so now on this slide, this is how we usually present the budget, that consummant, consummant merge was asking.

[37:05] So we have your actual, your budget, your estimated, and your budget for 2027.

[37:10] At the beginning of the phone balance for budget 2027, we have 189,892 dollars.

[37:17] Then we're projecting sales tax of 421,983, which is going to give you a total resources of 1.3 million.

[37:29] And then your total expenditures, which ties back to your total expenditures on your programs, is the 669,553 that includes your share personnel services to the general fund.

[37:44] And right here, you'll see your capital outlet detailed of a 223,000.

[37:55] Okay. Yes, Councillor.

[37:57] Yes, Councillor.

[37:58] That's the 100,000.

[37:59] If you take out the 223,000, you're within that 446,000.

[38:08] You're spending this 223 against the blood valve at the beginning of that.

[38:14] And that represents what the 100,000 to the plan and what else.

[38:18] It's going to be the vehicle, $68,000, the vehicles are placed in a $5,000 block camera, $1,000.

[38:29] All right.

[38:30] And so then you've reduced your capital from that amount from $800,000 to $600,000.

[38:36] And then in the 10-year capital that I've presented to y'all, I have the possible property room built out.

[38:43] I have your potential radio payoff and we conservatively estimated for the radios that we're

[38:49] going to have to purchase some future purchase of guns if we're working on a deal right

[38:55] now for trading so that may not actually we may not even need that money but I have it scheduled

[38:59] in that 10 year which we presented to y'all back in April and so if it's easier for y'all

[39:05] what I can do is after this budget I can try to see if it can flow a little bit better

[39:11] But since this is, you're not functioning as a council in this meeting, you are functioning as a crime control prevention in this meeting.

[39:19] And so I wanted to make sure if you continue, may or if you continue to wash, like the way that you are here, you're not building your reserve fund, you're getting in your revenue and your expenditures.

[39:31] So you're not going to get any more.

[39:33] So anything that you have in your, that's all you have sitting in the savings for this account.

[39:37] And so after you've programmed what is scheduled to be programmed over the next five years,

[39:44] that 667,000 will essentially eventually go down if you continue to have a wash in that department.

[39:52] Okay, very good.

[39:54] Okay, thank you.

[39:55] Now here, this one is going to break down the budget down by expenditure type rather than the program.

[40:02] So, here you'll see it line by line, how it ties back to each of the programs.

[40:09] Now, the total expenditures is at 585,000, but you just have to add the personnel

[40:16] share and you will match the 669,553 and total expenditures.

[40:25] And lastly, this one is a comparison between fiscal year 26 and 27, the variances and how

[40:32] when either up or down. Most of them are going to be going up because there's a new on this budget,

[40:40] so that's why the variance is high. That's the previous year. Okay. And that's it.

[40:46] That can do the presentation. Okay. Thank you. We do have a public hearing. So I will

[40:51] email us, there's no other questions from my colleagues. Let's open up the public hearing at

[40:57] 6 o'clock and see if we have anyone that would like to comment on this crime control and prevention budget.

[41:09] Okay. Seeing no one that all close the public hearing at 601 and stand in line on 4.2 for a resolution from the board.

[41:24] We do need to approve this resolution.

[41:28] Correct.

[41:29] So let me read it.

[41:30] 4.2 presentation, discussion, and possible action on a resolution approving and adopting the fiscal year

[41:37] 2027 budget for the Leon Valley Crime Control and Prevention District from the Leon Valley Crime Control

[41:44] Board.

[41:46] Okay.

[41:47] There we go.

[41:48] All right.

[41:48] We have a motion by Councillor Roscoe and a second by Councillor Compos to approve this

[41:54] resolution for the fiscal year 2027 budget for the Lamb Valley crime control and prevention

[42:00] district. Any further questions or comments? All those in favor say aye. Any opposed?

[42:06] The motion does carry. Okay. Thank you all very much.

[42:09] Do appreciate it. And without further ado, then we'll move to adjourn this meeting at 602 on Tuesday,

[42:16] June the 2nd. Okay.

[42:33] Okay. I was going to ask Danielle if she she did the pledge

[42:35] Okay. So let's start the next meeting. Welcome to our judges. We're so glad you're all here this evening. Thank you.

[42:43] We appreciate it. Ms. Bolton, would you say the pledge with us and I just wanted to go ahead and open up the meeting first?

[42:54] Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Lamb Valley City Council regular meeting.

[42:58] Today's Tuesday, June 2, 20, 26, and it's approximately 603 in the afternoon, and we do have all city council members present and I've asked Councillor Daniel Bolton to please lead us in the pledge if everyone will stand and they're already standing.

[43:14] Okay, thank you.

[43:15] I flew to the United States of America, and two of the Republic for which it stands,

[43:22] one nation under God, in the visible liberty and justice for all.

[43:28] That was weird.

[43:31] We're acting to the pledge.

[43:33] My phone.

[43:34] Okay.

[43:36] Does it, I mean, just started talking to me, it's off, you know?

[43:40] Okay, agenda item number two is citizens to be heard, any citizens in the chambers that

[43:45] like to address the council at this time. Please come forward. You have up to three minutes to speak.

[43:51] And seeing no one then we will move to presentation 3.1.

[43:56] Precentation of the statement of a pointed officer and the oath of office to presiding

[44:02] Municipal Court Judge Lair Lawrence G. Morales and Municipal Court Judge Leslie Cassan.

[44:10] So if you all please join us in the front. Thank you.

[44:44] Okay, let's see.

[44:54] Your honor, if you'll please raise your right hand in the name and by the authority of the state of Texas, Ocephalph.

[45:16] The duties of the office as the judge of the municipal court as the city of Leon Valley.

[45:20] Bear County of the state of Texas.

[45:22] Bear County of the state of Texas.

[45:24] And will to the best of my ability?

[45:26] And will to the best of my ability?

[45:28] Preserve, protect, and defend.

[45:30] Preserve, protect, and defend.

[45:31] The Constitution and the laws of the United States.

[45:34] The Constitution and the Law of the United States.

[45:37] And of this state, so help me God.

[45:39] And of this state, so help me God.

[45:41] Congratulations, Your Honor.

[45:42] Let's give the judge, I mean,

[45:45] do you all know how long we've been honored for

[45:47] to have Judge Barrelis, he and I were just talking less.

[45:49] go ahead and work. Well, first of all, you know, first of all, you know, first of all for 44 years has been a privilege.

[46:05] It's because they keep me in the back. That's why. Now, but it's really been a pleasure to serve the city of Neil Belly, and I'm honored to be re-appointed.

[46:15] Certainly, I want to show my appreciation to not only the mayor, but the city council members.

[46:25] In addition to that, a little history back in 1982, I got appointed by Judge Ken Alley.

[46:32] And he would be the S, and it's been 22 appointments in thin.

[46:38] So once again, I want to thank you all very much for the reconsideration.

[46:42] It's certainly very humbling and very confident and certainly I know that Judge Cassana and I will strive to uphold the laws of the state of Texas and the ordinances of the city of the Hyundai.

[46:56] Once again, thank you very much.

[47:29] Thank you and good evening and welcome with so glad you're here and you've been with us now for

[47:35] how long about six years.

[47:38] This will be going for eight, so this will be your fourth year,

[47:47] two year, two year,

[47:47] and repeat after me after I say this.

[47:51] In the name of name and by the authority of the State of Texas, Oath of Office.

[47:56] I, let's say to Son, do solemnly swear,

[47:58] do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute,

[48:01] that I will faithfully execute.

[48:03] The duties of the Office of the Judge of the Municipal Court,

[48:06] the duties of the Office of the Judge of the Municipal Court,

[48:10] of the City of Lamb Valley, Bear County, and the State of Texas,

[48:13] of the City of Lamb Valley, Bear County of the State of Texas,

[48:16] and will to the best of my ability.

[48:18] And will to the best of my ability.

[48:20] Preserve, protect and defend.

[48:22] Preserve, protect and defend.

[48:24] The Constitution and the laws of the United States.

[48:27] The Constitution and the laws of the United States.

[48:30] And of this state, so help me God.

[48:31] And of this state, so help me God.

[48:33] Congratulations.

[48:34] So glad.

[48:36] Thank you.

[48:37] Would you like to thank you?

[48:39] I'm always putting people in the spot.

[48:40] I'm sorry.

[48:41] No.

[48:42] Well, thank you, Mayor.

[48:43] Thank you.

[48:43] the council members that appreciate the opportunity to continue to serve the city of Lyon Valley.

[48:48] It was Judge Morales said it's an honor and a privilege to serve the city and it's

[48:53] just very humbling to be asked to be re-appointed and it's a privilege to serve the city.

[48:59] Very grateful for that opportunity and I want to thank not just the council and the mayor,

[49:03] but I want to thank Dr. Calzada and her staff for all that they do to support the court and all our court staff.

[49:10] And our bailiffs, they do an excellent job, they were a lot of hats, so we're very grateful for them because we can't do our job without their support.

[49:17] So, very grateful for them and again, thank you for the opportunity, it's a privilege and an honor.

[49:21] And thank you again.

[49:22] All right, great, very glad.

[49:23] I need to, for you just give me your signature.

[49:26] Right there.

[49:52] I want to picture something.

[49:54] Anything else?

[49:55] You have one of those.

[49:57] I'd ask you about how it was going with the court and...

[50:00] It's going great.

[50:01] You know, once again, I need to echo what Jessica Sobsay.

[50:04] Our staff is great.

[50:06] You know, we couldn't do our job without them, so you know, you know, you know, Sonia has been with us probably for the very long time.

[50:16] Tiffany's doing a great job in the net and and well they're doing a super job.

[50:21] So we want to thank you for providing this very competent staff.

[50:25] Yeah, one of the things I'd be remiss of I didn't introduce my wife.

[50:35] Okay.

[50:36] All right.

[50:37] So I know Pickel's going to want that picture.

[50:40] Okay.

[50:51] Okay.

[50:51] Thank you.

[50:54] Thank you.

[50:55] Thank you.

[51:05] Okay.

[51:14] Okay.

[51:17] Thank you.

[51:23] And thanks to Judge Morales and Judge Gatham again for their service.

[51:28] We appreciate it.

[51:29] it will move to 3.2, presentation, discussion, and possible direction to staff on the FY2027 community

[51:37] budget survey preliminary results. And we have Sarah. We'll call our economic development director

[51:47] here to present. Thank you. It says on my thing, Dr. Caldera, so when I stand, look up and it's

[51:52] not her, then I'll always have to kind of like, oh, who is that? So anyway, welcome. We're so glad

[51:56] Thank you.

[51:58] Good evening.

[51:58] Council and Mayor.

[51:59] So today I'll be providing the preliminary results presentation for the Community Budget

[52:04] Survey.

[52:05] I apologize.

[52:06] I should have some PowerPoint slides ready for you coming in shortly.

[52:10] All right.

[52:11] So City Council is being asked to review preliminary results for the FY2027 Community

[52:15] Budget Survey and possible direction to staff following the results.

[52:22] So as of June 2nd, so this morning we have collected over 74 eligible, eligible survey

[52:28] responses, this included nine paper service missions, submissions, these were ones that were picked

[52:34] up at CD Hall in the public library, and then we also had 65 online service

[52:38] submissions. It's important to note here that residents could have two responses for

[52:43] households. We did also review all of those addresses to ensure that they were within

[52:49] CDOBLY on Valley. We did have one paper submission that was ineligible due to its address

[52:55] outside of it. All right so onto the results. So your first question of the survey was regarding city infrastructure

[53:05] and operations. It asked what are your top priorities we should consider in our upcoming fiscal year

[53:11] 2627 budget. Please choose an order of importance with one being the most important and 10 being the least

[53:16] important. Our top three ranked priorities based on the budget survey. So number one was continue to

[53:24] for improving water and sewer infrastructure needs.

[53:27] This was at that cost of $40 million dollars.

[53:31] Ranked second, with that weighted score was increased

[53:34] but police personnel by three due to the fire

[53:38] in EMS Department increasing personnel by three

[53:40] of the last fiscal year cycle.

[53:42] This was an estimated cost of $320,000 annually

[53:46] with salary and benefits and continues funding.

[53:49] And then, Ranked number three, we had park rest room

[53:52] renovations to comply with 88 requirements with a cost of about 300,000.

[53:59] And so I've included all of the ranked priority items just so you can see their range.

[54:06] And you can tell it was a very close call for some of these.

[54:09] But I just wanted to include those scores in here to show you the weighted averages,

[54:14] or the weighted scores, excuse me, and how those ranks compared with one another.

[54:18] And you'll see all 10 were included for the city and infrastructure operations.

[54:22] But I'll pause here, and I didn't abbreviate those priorities just to include them all on this slide.

[54:33] Alrighty, and then moving on to survey question number two, quality of life initiative.

[54:39] So what are your top priorities we should consider in our upcoming fiscal year 2627 budget?

[54:44] Please choose an order of importance with one being the most important and six being the least important.

[54:49] For this question, community members ranked number one the major erosion project in the

[54:56] Humor and Natural Area Park in order to reflect the sink to see of the natural and wildlife

[55:00] area and historical homes that embarked.

[55:03] This was estimated at a cost of $2 to $3.5 million.

[55:07] They ranked second, the $1.4 million forced Oak's pool remodel with a city cost of $752,000.

[55:15] estimated in a grant-funded for about the same.

[55:20] Now, for their ranked three item, it was the saving community events for the 4th of July,

[55:25] which was a cost of $150,000 to $200,000,

[55:29] or the 75th anniversary celebration with a cost of $100,000 to $130,000.

[55:37] And then you'll have a complete ranking of all of those priority items on this slide,

[55:42] showing from 1 through 6, where each item came in the ranking, similar, you know, the scores were fairly similar on a couple of these items, particularly the saving community events and recycled waterline, you'll see it was a pretty close call there.

[55:59] And then again, I did abbreviate the names of those items just so they could be included in this slide.

[56:09] I'll pause there just so everyone can review.

[56:11] And

[56:16] we also did ask what ask respondents, what other questions or comments they should

[56:22] we should keep in mind as we prepare a budget.

[56:25] This was the respondents could, it was a blank line item, they could enter whatever they

[56:30] wanted.

[56:31] It was an optional question, it wasn't required, like the other two questions.

[56:35] So we did have about 39 out of 74 respondents actually answer this question.

[56:41] And from those prompts, we kind of synthesized what the major themes were.

[56:46] This included maintaining improving parks, recreation and transportation, infrastructure, police and public safety were emphasized along with water system needs.

[56:55] We had some highlight events, public art and finding new revenue sources.

[57:00] And then a few mentions of neighborhood pest control and the need for transparency and accessibility when it comes to city council initiatives and things like that.

[57:10] So far, the fiscal impact is not, again, we're still in budget conversations, but this is just to help educate and influence your decisions over the next couple of months.

[57:21] And then regarding how these fit into the state strategic goals and objectives for citizen involvement.

[57:27] This is our citizen involvement goal to actively engage in empower residents by fostering a culture of civic participation, open dialogue and collaborative decision making, with the objective of expanding public engagement opportunities.

[57:40] All right, and that's all I have for you today, and I think for good to go to discussion.

[57:50] Thank you. I appreciate it. I just wish we would have had a little bit higher than what 74.

[57:56] I mean, but it's interesting. I mean, you know, interesting.

[58:01] Any comments before we move on? I don't know how this is going to be.

[58:06] Okay, on this budget, right, yeah, or I'm thinking of Saturday too, so. Okay, they're good.

[58:14] Thank you so much, Sarah. Yes.

[58:17] So how did you come up with the weighted score? How is that calculated?

[58:21] Absolutely. So you'll take, depending on the question right, so for number one, I believe we had 10, so sorry.

[58:28] So

[58:33] you have 10 ranked priorities, for instance, if someone ranked, is for instance the support

[58:41] water and sewer infrastructure that ranking would get a multiple of 10, as they ranked

[58:46] it as number one. And then what we did is we tallied that score to see the overall weighted score.

[58:53] And I'm sorry I'm about it exploiting that, but yeah, so each of those rankings were assigned a number,

[58:59] 10 being the highest, so if you ranked it number one, as your highest priority, it would get a score of 10, and then we would add all of those numbers up and divide them by the total respondents.

[59:09] So if I'm understanding all 74 responses were ranked by how they ranked them and multiplied by everybody's first thing got 10 points and everybody's second thing got nine points.

[59:28] and then you average the 74 responses.

[59:32] Yeah. Okay.

[59:33] So for the number one's a good example.

[59:36] I think that had about 525 as like a total score.

[59:40] So we added up all of those.

[59:42] That ranked as number one.

[59:45] Number two, that ranked support water and sewer infrastructure

[59:47] at those individual ranking.

[59:49] Added them all up and then divided that.

[59:51] Whatever that amount was for number one.

[59:53] I think it was like 525 or something.

[59:55] By that 74 amount of respondents.

[59:57] because this was a required question, so we did receive a hunt.

[1:00:05] So, how many of the responses included two per address? So, like trying to get an idea of a family response, was this 74 individuals or were the majority of a more than one from an address, or kind of a mixed bag?

[1:00:34] did you have people that just I guess you couldn't leave anything blank right you had to do

[1:00:41] one through ten that was just the way it was you had to so you couldn't leave you couldn't

[1:00:47] I only want three and forget about the rest right on my survey especially and then the

[1:00:53] paper surveys we just had good luck that no one responded with blank questions on those two questions

[1:00:58] They did fill it out to either 1, 2, 6.

[1:01:02] Okay, very good.

[1:01:04] Anything else?

[1:01:05] All right, well, thank you so much.

[1:01:07] There, I do appreciate your efforts.

[1:01:09] All righty, thank you.

[1:01:16] All right, so the next presentation is 3.3.

[1:01:21] Presentation, discussion and workshop on an ordinance related

[1:01:25] to the fiscal year 2627 proposed budget.

[1:01:29] This is our first reading as required by the city charter

[1:01:33] and Dr. Kolder will present this evening and just FYI the council will really do a deep

[1:01:40] dive this Saturday on the budget and I think as I told the manager everybody can you

[1:01:48] can ask your questions I think I'm going to delay mine until then just so we can get an

[1:01:52] over just because we have a big agenda but that's just me but if you have any questions

[1:01:57] go ahead and stop in the middle of it and raise your hand is that how you'd like to do

[1:02:02] I think that's usually what we do to if you have anything like I know.

[1:02:05] This is an overview.

[1:02:08] There's a lot of unknown factors when you're presenting early on in the year.

[1:02:11] And I'll kind of touch on those as we go through the budget.

[1:02:14] The council's request was to move the budget as early as we can.

[1:02:18] And so we start presenting your capital in April.

[1:02:20] This is the earliest we can is the first meeting in June.

[1:02:23] But most cities don't really start until July.

[1:02:26] August timeframe when they really kind of start presenting to the general public.

[1:02:29] I think last year we didn't get this first meeting of China.

[1:02:34] I'm always.

[1:02:34] As your manager has started presenting your capital in April,

[1:02:38] I think some of you all wanted us to start looking like early on,

[1:02:40] like January and we're like,

[1:02:42] no, we're in the throws of just getting off of one budget

[1:02:45] and getting started on another.

[1:02:47] So June is probably a good time frame,

[1:02:49] but it is totally in the year.

[1:02:51] We don't know if you're new revenue rate.

[1:02:53] We just kind of got your property valuations in.

[1:02:56] And so I'm going to go, I'm going to go very quickly

[1:02:58] because it is a very long presentation and my big thing for y'all to take from this budget

[1:03:05] present. If I teach y'all anything is for y'all not to use your reserve fund for ongoing

[1:03:11] operating expenses. That's what I want to drill into y'all between now and the end of this budget

[1:03:19] conversation, because I feel like we keep circling back to that conversation and I may not

[1:03:25] be here forever, and I think one of the, not mistakes, but one of the downfalls is in

[1:03:30] the past, sometimes you've used your reserve fund in order to balance your budget.

[1:03:34] If you are using your reserve fund to balance your budget in any of your funds, you have

[1:03:40] an unbalanced budget.

[1:03:43] So for, when we say, oh, we have a balanced budget and you've used your reserve funds to cover

[1:03:49] your operating expense in reality, it is an unbalanced budget, and so that's what I'm

[1:03:54] very hard. I'm going to keep repeating that. We have the budget session every meeting between now and the end until y'all adopt.

[1:04:02] I'm going to drill that into y'all. You do not use your reserve fund for ongoing operating expenses.

[1:04:11] All right. So the budget is a little bit different than what y'all are used to seeing. Carol did a great job.

[1:04:19] we kind of wanted to start updating it, kind of taking a look at how we present and so if

[1:04:26] there's something that we're missing that you would like to see, you know, just let us know

[1:04:31] we're more than willing to kind of add that. So if you're at the Laurenum Tax Impact last year

[1:04:38] at the beginning of the year we were looking at a loss evaluations of about $46 million last year.

[1:04:44] After all your pills and everything came through, you actually had a loss of valuation of $53 million, not $46.

[1:04:53] So after the appeals and everything went through, last year your valuations were down 53 mil.

[1:05:00] And so this year, your beginning is $5 million less, so your projected beginning for your property tax is $5 million less than the way you started last year.

[1:05:12] So from last year's beginning to this year's beginning, you're already kind of starting off in a deficit as far as projected property valuations.

[1:05:20] Based on the projections we're anticipating another 41 million dollar property valuation loss for this coming year.

[1:05:30] This is the breakdown of the 5 million, so again that is the beginning valuations.

[1:05:37] That's the difference.

[1:05:42] And then if you want to see the 41 million dollar breakdown, I can give that one to you too.

[1:05:49] So, just so you know.

[1:05:50] These are your property tax.

[1:05:52] During the budget conversation last year, because it comes up every year,

[1:05:56] .54 is the highest property tax we've seen in over 20 years, and that's just not correct information.

[1:06:03] Back in 2014, 2015, you were sitting at .58.

[1:06:07] it's not on this slide. I only went back 10 years here. That was the renovation.

[1:06:13] And so it's still your bond. It's still your property.

[1:06:16] And so we broke it down here. Here's your INS and your M&O.

[1:06:21] And so that is so scene point five four is not is not a correct statement.

[1:06:27] You've had in 2016 you were sitting at point five five point five five.

[1:06:31] You were at point five five point five four before point five three.

[1:06:34] The lowest you've had in 20 years is your 0.48 absolutely, but 0.54 is not the highest you've had in your so when people come out and say that's the highest that's that's incorrect

[1:06:46] You've had 0.58 three years in a row and it's again, it's not on here. I can give you the spreadsheet for it

[1:06:53] But over 20 years you the highest you've seen is 0.58 you've had 0.56 for several years and so I just wanted to spell that rumor that this is the highest property tax rate

[1:07:03] That you've seen because what I do think is going to happen is your valuations came in at 41 million dollars

[1:07:11] Coming in another additional 41 million dollars less. I do think your known new revenue rate is going to come in about one or two cents higher than 0.54

[1:07:19] So I'm preparing you for that. I do think that when we get that number and it's going to come in at closer to 0.56 and that will be your new. I could be wrong

[1:07:28] What it what has been our highest tax rate number?

[1:07:34] That was, that was when we got the bond to renovate City Hall and add the third apartment.

[1:07:42] Is that correct?

[1:07:44] That was around that time.

[1:07:46] So you, in 2013, so even before your bond, you were sitting at 0.57.

[1:07:54] 2014, 2015, you were at 0.58, 2016, your 0.57, 2017, your 0.56, 2018, your 0.55,

[1:08:03] is 25, 2000 to 19.552.24.253 5.232 and then you went to your 48.

[1:08:12] So, again, even though, yes, it was for your bond.

[1:08:17] It was your INS.

[1:08:19] The idea, or the concept of y'all not pain, a higher tax rate is incorrect statement.

[1:08:27] you'll have. You absolutely have an even before your bond, and in 2006, so take out any kind

[1:08:38] of ionistic and that time from your pain point 5-3. So, your pain point 5-3 even before a bond,

[1:08:47] just your M&O, what would make you think with now having debt, as well as increase in your

[1:08:57] higher than you were in 2006. So I just want to make sure because we get the people that come out

[1:09:04] and they say this is the highest it's ever been and that's just an incorrect statement. Over 20 years

[1:09:11] you've had higher tax rate in order to support your your M&O, your maintenance and operations. Yes,

[1:09:17] we had the bond. Yes, it was sitting higher but even before your bond you were sitting at point

[1:09:21] by 30 and that was in 2006. So I just want to make sure that we understand because I do think

[1:09:28] and it's not me. I'm not telling you you need to increase your tax rate. I will tell you

[1:09:32] though whatever your known new revenue rate is, it's important for you to adopt whatever that

[1:09:37] is. And I do have a feeling with the additional valuation loss that it's going to be higher.

[1:09:44] Yes. Councillor Compos and then I have a comment.

[1:09:46] And just for clarification, we do not the city staff nor the council calculate that new,

[1:09:57] no revenue.

[1:09:57] That is correct.

[1:09:58] It is given to us by the county and in the pended agency beyond us.

[1:10:05] So just to the same amount of money we got last year to this year.

[1:10:09] That's supposed to be, I know, I understand.

[1:10:12] But I just want to let, I think something that was important is that when we went out for

[1:10:16] bond for the buildings, the citizens voted like 62% to pass it, and they all, and part of the

[1:10:27] education process was, your tax rate is going to be raised at least five cents. And it was,

[1:10:33] but that's what the people wanted. So, I mean, I just wanted to say that it wasn't out of the

[1:10:40] clear blue, it was for a purpose. Correct. So, and I want to make sure that y'all understand

[1:10:44] that in 2006, even before the bond with no voter approval, you were sitting at 0.53.

[1:10:51] So, again, you're penny higher than what you were in that particular case.

[1:10:56] So, I mean, to jump to the conclusion to say, the voters approved that tax increase because of the bond initiative.

[1:11:01] Yeah, that's an adequate conversation.

[1:11:03] But before then, your tax rate wasn't far off from where it is now before the bond.

[1:11:09] And so, I just want to make sure that, because everybody will say,

[1:11:13] we want to we're okay with the tax increase because that will come up we're okay with

[1:11:17] the tax increase if it supports an initiative I want to do I'm okay with the tax increase

[1:11:22] for ten million dollars to support the water infrastructure and they go and they vote the

[1:11:26] increase your taxes in order to support that bond initiative but that reflects your INS that

[1:11:31] that affects your debt service for that I just want to make sure that when people come out

[1:11:36] and they're saying well we've never paid because that's a state they don't go into hey this is

[1:11:42] it's broken down. They're just making a blanketed statement that this is the highest

[1:11:45] tax rate they've ever paid. That's not an accurate statement. Two, you're not far off from

[1:11:52] where you were before. Now, the reason that that's happened is because your property evaluations

[1:11:58] have gone up. You've also added more property. You've added apartment complexes. You've added

[1:12:03] some property improvement. And so it allowed you. And when in 2023, when the council decided to take

[1:12:12] the point for eight tax rate. It wasn't necessarily a wrong situation. Your property

[1:12:18] valuations were in the air. We were in flux of revenue. It was an appropriate move

[1:12:25] at the time for what was happening at the time. But when you hit 0.548, it's hard to go to

[1:12:31] the taxpayer and say, oh, your property valuations went down. So at the time, everybody was like,

[1:12:36] oh, property valuations are up. We need to adopt this lower tax rate because we're getting

[1:12:40] enough money. Now that it's flipped, everybody doesn't want to go back to where it needs to be

[1:12:45] when your property valuations have dropped. Because the conversation that was happening back then,

[1:12:50] property values will never go down. They're always going to go up. They're never going to go down.

[1:12:56] So they adopted the 0.48 because your property valuations went through the roof. As everybody

[1:13:00] did, all across San Antonio San Antonio adopted a lower tax rate. I mean, it was a whole conversation.

[1:13:07] You're sitting in a different market now and your property valuations over the last two years have dropped

[1:13:12] So then that means your tax rate has to compete with that same property just like you did just like the it's the same argument

[1:13:19] You had the year that you dropped it property valuations are up. We should lower the tax rate great property valuations are down

[1:13:26] You need to increase your tax rate in order to compensate for that the same argument. It's just flipped and

[1:13:32] So right now you're sitting at the excuse excuse me just a second counselor

[1:13:36] And I also have a comment, would you, well, number one apartments, the what we're getting from apartments has gone down because we have old apartments now correct correct.

[1:13:45] But what about the new homes that have been built? They haven't been there long enough to really get money from them.

[1:13:50] Correct.

[1:13:51] So when we enter a new subdivision, what I saw with the region, I've had this conversation with the mayor and a couple of the council members.

[1:13:58] It's usually about a five-year spend, so we normally don't start seeing that impact on our books until about five years until the homes are really built out.

[1:14:08] We're not seeing anything from Santa Fe West yet.

[1:14:11] We saw a little, you'll see in your on that spreadsheet, which I can show you all on Saturday,

[1:14:17] you will see that the residential number count has gone up, and you'll see a slight up tick, but we're not seeing those revenues just yet.

[1:14:26] The other portion of that is you don't know who's buying those homes, are they 100% disabled?

[1:14:32] Are they 65 and over?

[1:14:34] You don't know their exemptions when they're purchasing the home either.

[1:14:38] And so out of the 100 homes that say are currently sold, you may have half of them that are VA 100% disabled.

[1:14:46] We just don't know that yet.

[1:14:48] And so I won't know that until they actually start putting a full year's worth of property tax in with the county.

[1:14:54] And you start to little off because most of those houses are done with mortgages and it's done with escrow.

[1:15:00] And so by the time it hits on the other side, it's a weird thing. And so we probably won't start seeing that for another three to five years.

[1:15:10] So we're not seeing it just yet. I saw it a little bit. You'll start seeing it trickle in a little bit with the count.

[1:15:16] But we probably won't see the full impact of that for at least another five-day years, especially with the cynical West.

[1:15:22] Okay, I just wanted to make the comment about people thinking that we've had this highest.

[1:15:27] I think what it was possibly last year and y'all correct me for a long.

[1:15:31] We were at 48.

[1:15:32] We did the whole budget at 48, but then it came in at what 0.51 was our known new.

[1:15:39] And then the council wanted to add three new firefighters.

[1:15:44] That's why it went up to 0.54.

[1:15:46] So it wasn't, you know, just to go up.

[1:15:49] It was a purpose.

[1:15:50] I just wanted to clarify that, but I think people were like 48 to 54, you know, that's what the shock of the system was, I think, and I know that's a good point.

[1:16:02] So, okay.

[1:16:02] So, this is the breakdown of the tax bill, so you are kind of normally used to seeing this slide. So, when you have your entire tax bill, the city of Leon Valley only gets, you know, 1188 dollars of that.

[1:16:15] And then I kind of wanted to show that you're going from your $230 tax bill to $218 on your average home.

[1:16:22] So your average home is decreasing by about $12,000.

[1:16:26] And so each, if we every house was $218,000,

[1:16:31] each bill would be down $67 on average.

[1:16:36] So that's just kind of free all the kind of see what that looks like.

[1:16:40] So it's not me wanting to increase your tax rate, it's your valuations are coming down and I think they're just really leveling out

[1:16:50] I think y'all had a really big spike

[1:16:52] After COVID as a lot of cities did and this if you go to the county if you go to the city of San Antonio, they're all facing the same market adjustment

[1:17:02] Yeah, and a lot of that is because they decreased their tax rate at the time in order to offset the increase in property evaluations

[1:17:08] now the markets corrected, being corrected, and the property

[1:17:12] evaluations are going down or adequately showing what the actual cost of the property is, and

[1:17:18] so you're having to correct that with your tax rate.

[1:17:23] Moving into your general fund, so your capital reserve fund is sitting at 5.19, you have an

[1:17:30] emergency fund of 1.2. You have future capital of a 275,000, so you add all three of you

[1:17:38] these up at CityNet 6.7. We normally don't tie your emergency fund. That's set separate by

[1:17:44] GFOA standards in order to compensate for any type of emergency. And then that 275 is what

[1:17:50] Council set aside for that's your pool and your pool grant and your fire department,

[1:17:56] Skabah equipment.

[1:18:01] So then you have a little bit less than a month of operating income in

[1:18:04] your emergency fund and then we have about 4.9 combined with all other of your other funds.

[1:18:12] Currently, this budget is not balanced or sitting at $614,000 deficit.

[1:18:17] Now, I'm going to tell you last year when I gave this presentation, when I went

[1:18:20] time, you were about like 1.3, so we saw 614 and I was like, yeah, we're not that bad.

[1:18:26] And so I know people think at the beginning of this budget cycle that I try to

[1:18:32] insight fear and you all to get you to do whatever it is.

[1:18:35] I'm not, I do think the 614 is definitely if we work together, we can definitely get that

[1:18:41] down fairly quickly, and I think with ease.

[1:18:46] Operating revenue, we're expected at the point

[1:18:49] with 5-4, about 15-mil.

[1:18:54] This is just kind of an overview of how we reflected

[1:18:57] your revenue.

[1:18:58] So we did drop your AdValorium Tax 289,000.

[1:19:03] That's the first.

[1:19:04] It's usually always the other way it is.

[1:19:07] Now, again, if you, I think if you're note,

[1:19:10] This will change if you're known you revenue rate comes in and it's sitting at like 0.5.

[1:19:15] I'm preparing you because I do think it's probably going to come in at 0.5, close to

[1:19:19] 0.5, 6, probably, I jumped to that because then I get quoted later but I do think

[1:19:25] it's going to come in and that will change.

[1:19:28] Yes, Councillor Compas.

[1:19:30] So I think last year was the first year we saw a negative last year because our new

[1:19:39] who revenue, right, had to go up.

[1:19:41] I mean, okay, yeah, okay, I'm sorry.

[1:19:43] But it was a little bit smaller.

[1:19:47] I mean, but you did have a decrease last year

[1:19:50] and I have to pull that slide.

[1:19:51] This is a new slide.

[1:19:52] I wanted, so I'm trying really hard just like y'all

[1:19:55] like me to kind of put everything all together

[1:19:58] and show everything all at once.

[1:20:00] Kind of like what I did at the coffee

[1:20:02] where I gave like it was the definition,

[1:20:05] the breakdown, the 10 year kind of succinct that way.

[1:20:08] We present your budget a little bit differently

[1:20:11] because certain things are held in certain funds.

[1:20:13] And so there are some requirement

[1:20:15] on how I present this.

[1:20:17] But I can break it down for you anyway you would like.

[1:20:22] So but I wanted everything succinct on one slide.

[1:20:24] So this is your revenue.

[1:20:26] Carol kind of put this together to show all your revenue

[1:20:29] whether it went up or down.

[1:20:31] All on one slide versus going back and forth between slides.

[1:20:34] So these are all your revenues from the book.

[1:20:36] What is the sales tax percentage that you have?

[1:20:38] 1.5 percent.

[1:20:39] 1.5.

[1:20:40] Okay.

[1:20:40] I didn't think it was very much.

[1:20:42] Yeah.

[1:20:42] 1.5.

[1:20:43] You're tracking the little bit.

[1:20:44] Because I know you had it three and then come down to two and so, okay, 1.5.

[1:20:48] Yeah.

[1:20:48] It's 1.5 right now increased for next year.

[1:20:51] Again, conservative estimate.

[1:20:53] If you take a look at what came in this last month, you're sitting at a 7% increase

[1:20:58] this past month.

[1:20:59] So if you look at your city manager's report, you're sitting in about 7.

[1:21:03] But we also have to take a look of like, you are still, you're the way we get

[1:21:08] in and the way I'm reporting it from that cell cell is different but I do think you're

[1:21:14] trending in the right direction and so I'm comfortable with 1.5 as we kind of move through

[1:21:20] and as I continue to get those funds and we may look at maybe going up to 2 but if we go the

[1:21:26] other direction, this

[1:21:30] is just a breakdown of your general fund revenue categories as you can see

[1:21:35] The majority of your revenue comes from Advalorum tax and sales tax.

[1:21:40] One of the council's goals for me this year was to start moving red light camera people out of your red light camera fun into general fun and kind of having a plan for that.

[1:21:51] I have a plan that does kind of live in my mind and I've presented every year to try to move red light camera people over in the council.

[1:21:59] We ended up moving them back in order for the budget to be balanced or in order for it not to hit general fund.

[1:22:06] And so essentially, we had to kind of at a couple of moving pieces. So what we did is we took the community and conference center rentals.

[1:22:15] Not the hotel motel tax, the rentals and what we get the revenue. And I move that over into the 80 CD fund.

[1:22:22] in order to support the move.

[1:22:26] And so what I did was I moved just those rental funds.

[1:22:31] So, oh, now I'm gonna, I don't know what to do.

[1:22:32] What is that?

[1:22:34] I need you're gonna ask that 30,000?

[1:22:36] Oh, 68,000.

[1:22:37] I was gonna ask you how much it was.

[1:22:40] And so, what's the reasoning behind that?

[1:22:42] So, in order for you not to go,

[1:22:46] in order for your operating, to master expenditures,

[1:22:49] so you're not having an unbalanced budget,

[1:22:51] I needed to make sure if I'm moving to code people over there to offset your general fund impact.

[1:22:59] We move the rental monies over there in order to do that.

[1:23:04] But aren't two code enforcement officers more than 68,000?

[1:23:08] No, yes.

[1:23:09] But you're using the remainder of your EDCD funds in order to support the revenue that comes in from your EDC.

[1:23:14] So your revenue that comes in from your EDC is going to support your two code enforcement.

[1:23:18] If you go to that last very last slide, split is there.

[1:23:21] You're two code enforcement officers,

[1:23:23] your economic development director,

[1:23:24] and a portion of Miranda salary.

[1:23:26] Okay, but so no money for projects.

[1:23:29] You have some, yes,

[1:23:30] because you still have reserve fund dollars for projects,

[1:23:33] and we do have a small amount for projects.

[1:23:36] I thought we were going to put in a little line out of the floor.

[1:23:38] Okay, yeah, I thought for a while there,

[1:23:41] I thought we had like 20,000.

[1:23:42] But you have your reserve fund

[1:23:44] in order to do any big projects that you want to do.

[1:23:48] So, because that one was sitting, your reserve fund there, I think was sitting like close to 1000.

[1:23:55] So, but you're not using your reserve fund to cover your operating.

[1:23:59] You're using your reserve fund for your one-time projects.

[1:24:01] But if we keep it structured that way, then there'll be very little money for projects.

[1:24:06] You'll have to keep using your reserve in order to fund projects.

[1:24:10] Your reserve fund, you won't build your EDCD fund,

[1:24:13] well you could like right now I'm making a code enforcement officer right so like if this

[1:24:18] happened last year that money that we're not spending on that code enforcement officer would

[1:24:23] roll over I didn't have an ED director all like the whole entire year she just came on so that money

[1:24:28] would roll over your your your projects that you have that you're doing for your you don't have

[1:24:35] anything dedicated like you're not saying we need this five hundred thousand dollars it's different

[1:24:40] than like your crime control, right?

[1:24:42] So like, I don't have a projected use for those funds, other than we pulled some money out

[1:24:50] in order to do a portion of the police department engineering and that kind of stuff.

[1:24:57] But for the most part, you don't have projected projects because we use those funds when

[1:25:02] projects become available.

[1:25:04] And so like when we had royal tile or we had the golds gym, those come up throughout the

[1:25:10] But yes, eventually if you start seeing that money dip below 400,000 or whatever that number looks like whatever

[1:25:17] Then that following year the council makes a decision and says, hey, we want to start rebuilding this fund.

[1:25:23] We need to move some operating expenses out back into the general fund.

[1:25:27] But for right now for next year and probably for the next couple of years,

[1:25:32] you probably be just mind funding those officers or those individuals out of this fund.

[1:25:37] Unless you came across an amazing deal and you needed to eat a half a million dollars for a project and you ate really quickly that

[1:25:46] Reserve fund then I would recommend that you don't fund a code enforcement officer. You live with one, which we did for many years. So that's also an option for you

[1:25:57] So

[1:25:59] So essentially that's what we did and then we shifted over and now you don't have to do that. My only goal is to provide you a plan. You don't have to accept my plan

[1:26:07] I've checked off the box for my goals for this year, I'm giving you a plan, but you

[1:26:11] meet in years past you haven't liked my red light camera plans, so you shifted them back

[1:26:17] to red light camera. So I'm putting it on the record, this is my plan for you to shift

[1:26:22] that, those officers over. And so if you like this plan, you can do it, but you don't

[1:26:28] have to accept it. That's also an option for you as well. And so we would move those EDCD people

[1:26:34] over, you would take two employees out and your net cost to your general fund essentially is roughly

[1:26:41] 68,046,000.

[1:26:48] And this is just kind of how we broke it down. You had a savings of about

[1:26:53] 145. The two red light camera people were costing you 213. So we had a net, you have a net cost of

[1:27:00] about 68,000 and then this is just the breakdown we move your portion of your community

[1:27:07] relations director salary over and so then your revenues move to EDCD fund and then we

[1:27:17] transfer the two traffic safety employees from your red light camera fund over into your

[1:27:21] general fund. Having not a $213,000 in-packed to your general fund only a $68,000 in-packed,

[1:27:30] which I think this is a great idea to kind of resolve that issue.

[1:27:34] Yes, Councillor Merchant.

[1:27:36] So are there any limitations or regulations about who can be funded through economic development

[1:27:42] dollars? I mean, how does code enforcement correlate to economic development?

[1:27:49] Would you think code enforcement or animal control is a community initiative?

[1:27:54] Oh yeah, okay.

[1:27:55] So it's economic and community development funds.

[1:27:57] It's the community development I'm forgetting.

[1:28:00] Yeah.

[1:28:02] You may not like it.

[1:28:03] Everybody loves the economic development of money is in dollars,

[1:28:06] and they want to spend it on revitalizing Bandera Road.

[1:28:12] And so the problem with that is is that you have aging infrastructure,

[1:28:17] And you can, I can eat that 900, actually it's a little less than 900 of those, fairly quickly, right?

[1:28:23] And so I can go through and update your shopping centers and do facade programs.

[1:28:27] That's not going to guarantee you a return on your investment, right?

[1:28:31] I can beautify the town center, make it look beautiful, but I don't know what's going to go in there.

[1:28:36] And you have an adult daycare, and you have a church in that same shopping center, both of those are tax exempt.

[1:28:41] So that whole shopping center, I'm not getting 100% of the alarm tax from that shopping center.

[1:28:46] I'm only getting a quarter of what the Avalorum taxes for that shopping center, because two of the businesses that are in there are considered tax exempt businesses.

[1:28:58] General fund expenditure highlights.

[1:29:01] You're spending roughly about 16 million and 3 million in your capital.

[1:29:06] Your general fund expenditures by category.

[1:29:09] Of course, the biggest piece is your personal cost.

[1:29:11] your supplies is as small as we spend a lot on contractual and then of course your capital

[1:29:17] out way.

[1:29:19] Your public safety is sitting at 49% your public works is at 25% and then the remainder

[1:29:26] are the rest of your staff.

[1:29:30] Would you delineate the place in the fire on that public safety just, yeah, because our wires

[1:29:38] I was going to say I thought when I went through it I was surprised at fire was higher than you added three

[1:29:43] Because that was yeah

[1:29:46] Okay, so this is what you're normally used to seeing. This is your summary sheet for your general funder's or

[1:29:54] Your total revenues is sitting at 17, total revenue sitting at 17 million and you're

[1:30:00] Your total expenditures are sitting at 19. Now, when you take a look at that 17 million, you're going to take out the high combined trial grant. You're a sign fund of 200,000. And that's because your ambulance, we're geared up to purchase this year.

[1:30:14] Or, I'm sorry, that's the other portion of your ambulance. And then your treatment, additional sign funds, leaving your actual revenue sitting at 15.7 mil.

[1:30:22] Your expenditures minus your capital outlay, which is 3.6 mil, is sitting at 16.326 giving you a negative of 640,000.

[1:30:34] So if you want to know how that's the deficit, that's the deficit right now.

[1:30:40] And then for next year, we have the 200,000 for the pool and the Skabah for your expenditures for your signed fund.

[1:30:53] This is the breakdown of your advalorum, your cell's tax, and your franchise fees.

[1:31:01] This is the breakdown of your license fees and fines and your grants.

[1:31:06] This is the revenue source of what we put other.

[1:31:10] Everybody always wants to know what's other.

[1:31:11] This is the actual breakdown of what your other is.

[1:31:14] And then we have transferred shared services that come in from your red light camera

[1:31:18] and your water fund, and then your peg fund.

[1:31:21] And why don't you have any pool revenue for?

[1:31:24] I don't have poll revenue nor your poll contract.

[1:31:26] I'm anticipating we're starting construction next.

[1:31:29] I'm just anticipating we're starting construction next year.

[1:31:31] Okay.

[1:31:31] Don't start construction next year, then we'll have revenue that's not accounted for, but then

[1:31:36] you're going to have to do a budget adjustment in order to accept that in terms of

[1:31:38] your own management contract.

[1:31:39] Because the contract is also not in here.

[1:31:46] I hope the estimate is back on.

[1:31:48] Yes.

[1:31:49] So, Fiesta matters.

[1:31:49] This is the revenue source.

[1:31:51] So, I'm including this.

[1:31:52] So the mayor's idea of the pitches was to paper-fiesta metals, but then have them pay for it.

[1:32:00] So we'll have a 10-year-old.

[1:32:01] I mean, I just, you know, I got a lot of pushback.

[1:32:04] Why don't we have a metal this year, Mayor?

[1:32:06] And I said, well, we just took it out of the budget.

[1:32:08] And then I think was it, I thought it was Danielle or somebody had said, well, why can't we just sell them?

[1:32:13] And I'll tell you what, a lot of people sell them too.

[1:32:16] So that's just an idea if y'all don't want to do it, that's fine.

[1:32:20] This is the revenue side, so with that concept, your Fiesta Metals cost about $10,000.

[1:32:27] We would sell each Fiesta Metals for about $10 and that would be, it should be a wash.

[1:32:32] But we would have to sell all of your Fiesta Metals for $10 to get that money back.

[1:32:37] But we're pretty confident that we would make the $10,000 back.

[1:32:42] And so, again, it's more of a topic of conversation as we're going through the budget.

[1:32:49] And it was one of the items that got brought up as a retreat top possible retreat topic, but I just added it in there because I don't want to keep changing.

[1:32:59] Well, and then I'm just looking at the EDC community events and I said 50,000. Oh, that's when we had the big fourth of July.

[1:33:07] And so now we look at the results of the survey.

[1:33:11] I don't know.

[1:33:13] Do we have to put that back in if that's what we end up deciding to do just to.

[1:33:16] Just about the numbers.

[1:33:18] Just to comment.

[1:33:19] Yeah, we'll head.

[1:33:20] Yeah, too.

[1:33:20] So I do, like again, preparing for that conversation, we added it to the script control.

[1:33:26] I do think that probably for this particular budget, if you decide to add in that full

[1:33:32] budget event, again, to do what you can pull it from your EDCD Reserve Fund account for

[1:33:39] one time event.

[1:33:40] If it's going to be an ongoing thing that you consider to do, then you're going to have to figure

[1:33:44] out. Let's check. You're going to figure that out.

[1:33:49] Okay. Thank you. Your

[1:33:50] municipal court. I'm going to go through these slides pretty quickly because I

[1:33:54] know we're sitting on an hour already, but we're going to go through them. You'll

[1:33:58] see some detail if there's something that catches your eye. Please raise your

[1:34:02] handle. Answer it for you, but I'm going to go pretty quick. So this is your

[1:34:06] municipal court budget. This is the breakdown of your municipal court budget.

[1:34:11] This is the additional detail that goes along with your municipal court

[1:34:14] budget. The biggest one that I'll know are that is notable here is the $6,000 increases on your

[1:34:20] judges and the $4,000 increase on your prosecutor. We're adding two docket days that need to be added

[1:34:26] to your court. We tried to cut it in half last year and so we managed but we do need to add two,

[1:34:31] we do need to add two more. I'm not adding the full fledged back but we're going to add two more to

[1:34:35] help offset. So I try to go full extreme and now we're going to add in a little bit so we're adding

[1:34:40] to court dates back and then your judges fees have an increase in their new contract that they

[1:34:45] were adopted so that's gone up a little bit.

[1:34:48] Your finance department, the most notable thing here is your external oddities go up

[1:34:53] slightly as well as your very very county appraisal district use have gone up a little bit.

[1:34:58] Your city manager fund, the big noticeable one here is I've added and you'll see this

[1:35:03] across the board and I don't know if it will stay there or not.

[1:35:05] We've added about $5,000 for building maintenance internal.

[1:35:08] So the public works department's been eating all the costs for anything that goes wrong at any of the building and he's eating through his money fairly quickly because he's paying for everybody's repairs.

[1:35:17] So I'm splitting it up and kind of giving everybody some cushion so the public works department budget isn't hit with all of those kind of expenditures.

[1:35:27] So maybe something.

[1:35:27] So you're putting back in the shirts and the employee pens that we took at last year.

[1:35:32] No, so the shirts that are in here are just for a couple of new employees.

[1:35:37] Okay, everybody. Okay. So have some new staff that doesn't have anything on Valley shirts. That's why the cost. It's very small. It's like $1,600, but it's for a couple of the new. I just put it all here. You won't see it in all the budgets, but like Sarah Michaels and you like they don't.

[1:35:52] None of them have shirts. It's a couple of shirts for some of the new staff.

[1:35:56] When we hold events like we're getting ready to do the library carnival, they don't have anything on Valley T shirt. They don't have anything. They just, so I just think it's something to kind of.

[1:36:04] And then you're adding in the pins and the plaques.

[1:36:08] So it's not just pins and plaques.

[1:36:09] It's for two long-term employees.

[1:36:12] You have Candy Pena.

[1:36:14] Oh, yeah.

[1:36:14] And there's one more person.

[1:36:16] And now I'm going to feel bad.

[1:36:19] There's another employee that's got.

[1:36:21] Yeah, it was 25 and over.

[1:36:23] So there's only a couple of it.

[1:36:24] I'll give you the names on Saturday.

[1:36:26] But you know Candy.

[1:36:27] I didn't know about the others anymore.

[1:36:30] There's one more person.

[1:36:33] Okay, so it's not for everybody we're not doing the five year, ten year, it's just for your big, your big years just to do something for them.

[1:36:45] And again, as we're having the budget conversation and I need a little little down, it's like I did last year.

[1:36:50] We presented it on as I go through what our needs, what our wants and so things sometimes get cut, but that's where we're sitting.

[1:36:59] This is a breakdown, we did decrease your, oh, it's not on this one, sorry.

[1:37:07] The ML is here next year, oops, it's on this one.

[1:37:10] Yeah, so we did decrease your TML training.

[1:37:13] Where did that go?

[1:37:15] Well, you know, I saw that and I thought it was, no, that's project.

[1:37:20] Oh, there it is, it's here.

[1:37:21] It's your trial, I just don't, I haven't broken down on mine, sorry.

[1:37:25] But we do decrease your travel and training because TML is here and we're not having a paper hotel.

[1:37:33] Okay.

[1:37:35] Your information technology fund.

[1:37:39] For the most part, we've been able to mitigate it.

[1:37:41] You'll see some increases here.

[1:37:43] It's just the cost of things going up like your Microsoft Office, your Nitro, your security.

[1:37:52] security that's our server security system that we have here. We also have NINJA, which is also like your firewalls.

[1:38:01] The biggest one of course is tech lead. If you take tech lead from here and enterprise funds close to $100,000, you were spending that plus personnel.

[1:38:12] And so I still not budgeting for a person here. And so that means I'm me or some of my other staff get additional duties.

[1:38:21] like I was talking to Mayor Yesterdae, me, Carol and Don,

[1:38:23] we're dealing with the Canon printers

[1:38:24] and the contract for Canon.

[1:38:27] Because I don't have like Eric's here,

[1:38:29] but he's not here to manage projects.

[1:38:31] Crystal's handling, the AV equipment in this room,

[1:38:34] over the break that we're hopefully have.

[1:38:37] And so normally that would be my IT staff person.

[1:38:41] So those additional duties get put on someone else.

[1:38:45] And so we're still not budgeting for that.

[1:38:51] If I still have tech lead in here, it did go down a little bit.

[1:38:55] I've tried to reduce how often we call them.

[1:38:58] Unfortunately, everything we do now is technology-related.

[1:39:01] So we need them more often than I would like to admit.

[1:39:05] In this particular budget, you have time clock sitting there at 15,000.

[1:39:09] I will tell you this will be, this is our clock-end clock-out system.

[1:39:13] I was going to start off with a portion of the staff.

[1:39:16] I am not going to do that.

[1:39:17] I'm going to remove this item.

[1:39:19] Part of the conversation as we kind of go through is you'll see encode going to the cloud base.

[1:39:24] We're required we're going to be forced to go to that.

[1:39:27] I don't know if the cloud base system is going to support this time clock system.

[1:39:32] We know it will support on encode 9, but we don't because it's a separate component done through patchwork.

[1:39:39] I don't know if it's going to work with the cloud base and I don't have the answers for all the configuration.

[1:39:43] I don't have an IT person on staff, so I don't know the answer to all those questions, so I don't

[1:39:48] feel I may have them maybe by the end of this budget cycle, if not we'll go one more

[1:39:53] year and try to figure out what that looks like.

[1:39:55] Incode implementation for 10 is about 18 months and so if the budget goes through we'll start

[1:40:01] that process but we'll have a roll over amount the following fiscal year because we won't

[1:40:04] get through the entirety of that project.

[1:40:07] And how does that work?

[1:40:08] Is it one time clock or is it one time clock per department?

[1:40:12] No, so what do you do that it was the computer or what I had yeah, yeah, so depending on what you get you can do some print

[1:40:20] You want your phone

[1:40:26] Three or four systems okay, depending on what that looks like as far as equipment goes

[1:40:34] But no, but you know when I saw time clock, you know it's like the old time clock where you go

[1:40:42] We are geofent. Okay. There you can clock in. If you do it from your phone, you couldn't

[1:40:47] clock in into whatever the property line or whatever I say the geofences. So we may save money

[1:40:55] and allow people to clock in from their phones. Not everybody has phones, so I have to be able to

[1:41:03] allow them to clock in maybe from their computer or we get a system. So the current public court,

[1:41:08] So I'm thinking one over there, maybe one here at City Hall or at the fire department.

[1:41:14] So I don't have all the equipment in that 15,000, isn't sitting in that 15,000, that was

[1:41:18] to get us started with what that looked like.

[1:41:21] But I'm having conversations with the people that encode for encotain.

[1:41:27] They also have a clock enclock out system in that version.

[1:41:32] And so I don't know what that, I'd rather go with the products that we, so everything's

[1:41:36] under one umbrella and so I just don't have all the answers for that yet so we're going to take

[1:41:41] it out for right now for right now that 15,000 will come out.

[1:41:47] Police Department the most notable

[1:41:51] one in here you'll see is like the fuel they did a really good job of keeping everything under

[1:41:56] control and comparison the last year. So you'll see either no increase or very slight increase

[1:42:04] but your five thousand is just going up guys I don't you know it's just kind of we

[1:42:09] we programmed about 30% increase in there across the board are any of our vehicles

[1:42:15] diesel I guess so public works and your fire department you'll see a larger increase

[1:42:20] exactly okay but for right now for your police and your police to five thousand it's about

[1:42:25] five thousand and and just in this general fund account we'll see it in other funds as well

[1:42:31] So your police department, again, you'll see that things came out.

[1:42:36] So you see your ax on.

[1:42:38] This is the stuff that we put in your crime control, right?

[1:42:41] So we're trying to save money in your general fund.

[1:42:45] See some head nods, you'll get it.

[1:42:47] We're connected.

[1:42:50] So that's the stuff right here that you saw that got moved over

[1:42:54] into the other fund.

[1:42:55] See?

[1:42:56] So you see zero for this here.

[1:42:58] And it looks like we're saving money, but that's what we moved over into your

[1:43:05] So your reserve fund, you have another treadmill, we bought one last year, this would replace

[1:43:10] the 2015 second treadmill, we have 300,000 for property replants, we are doing a temporary

[1:43:18] bandade fix, we've more of the gel cells are at, they have kind of enclosed there, we moved

[1:43:24] some stuff over into the small house and so we've made a bandade fix that will get us some

[1:43:32] time, but it's not going to get you forever time. So we need to figure out what we're going

[1:43:36] to do with that and how you all want to handle that.

[1:43:39] Your in-pound lot is functioning really well at pace for itself. You won't see pretty much

[1:43:47] not a whole lot of increase. You'll see ward went up a little bit, but that's because we're

[1:43:51] holding more options, so I need to pay a little bit more.

[1:43:55] Your fire department, they did a really good job of managing their accounts this year as well,

[1:44:01] but you'll see that there's diesel when up 20,000

[1:44:04] is the most notable increase here.

[1:44:07] We are doing something a little bit different

[1:44:09] with a fire department, so y'all,

[1:44:11] per your salaries, use to give them a uniform allowance.

[1:44:14] As part of their salary benefit,

[1:44:17] we're taking back the uniform allowance, kind of sort of.

[1:44:22] They're still get $800, but we're putting it

[1:44:25] as a budget line item to manage what they're actually purchasing.

[1:44:29] So we would purchase the uniforms, we're budgeting, and we purchase for them, if that makes sense.

[1:44:35] I'm trying this out, and the fire department, police departments still has, they go purchase,

[1:44:39] we reimburse for the purchase of their uniforms and equipment. They function a little bit different.

[1:44:44] The fire department, I'm going to try it this way. See, in the future, we can save a little bit of money

[1:44:50] by doing it this way. So it's not part of their, they don't go out and buy, give us an

[1:44:57] In voice and then we reimbursed them back up to

[1:45:00] We're,

[1:45:03] Chris Willis is going to handle that section for us.

[1:45:07] So you just order their uniforms for us?

[1:45:09] As they come in.

[1:45:11] Okay, so Councillor Compos and then Councillor Roscoh.

[1:45:14] What do you estimate the savings to be?

[1:45:17] I don't, right now it's a wash.

[1:45:19] Okay.

[1:45:19] Because I don't know.

[1:45:21] Councillor Roscoh.

[1:45:22] We back when Dr. Cardetta, the fire department was putting fire sensors in houses and stuff.

[1:45:29] How much of that cost you?

[1:45:32] We just install it.

[1:45:34] They will keep not here.

[1:45:36] So essentially, they buy the fire alarm.

[1:45:37] We just put it in.

[1:45:38] I don't think we purchased the fire alarm.

[1:45:40] Yeah.

[1:45:41] Yeah, yeah.

[1:45:41] Yeah.

[1:45:42] So they put them in for you.

[1:45:44] They just don't.

[1:45:46] They're free.

[1:45:47] So they may have to ask the chief one.

[1:45:49] He gets here.

[1:45:50] I know we install people's fire alarms.

[1:45:52] But we also get.

[1:45:54] The fire department gets a lot of stuff sometimes.

[1:45:57] And so sometimes they do get some, but I don't have it.

[1:46:00] It may be under.

[1:46:01] Oh, it's just food for thought, because it feels very popular.

[1:46:04] And I know what people have in our budget to do it.

[1:46:06] No, no, we still do it.

[1:46:07] It's not something I've taken out.

[1:46:08] But when Mike comes back up, we'll ask him.

[1:46:11] I don't know what line item that's out there.

[1:46:13] It's covered by their salaries, though.

[1:46:15] It's far as going to put it up in their people's house.

[1:46:17] No, no.

[1:46:18] He's saying that we bought the fire.

[1:46:19] Oh, they brought it to my house and they put some new ones up there.

[1:46:22] Oh, and so I need to ask the chief.

[1:46:24] Oh, I had bought mine, so they put it up.

[1:46:26] So that's the way I thought the program went and so look, I learned something new every day, so when Mike makes his

[1:46:33] He'd, yeah, could have been

[1:46:35] Just for the future

[1:46:36] Because you had that package delivered

[1:46:39] Well

[1:46:41] No, and he has a, he has a straight name for him too

[1:46:45] So he's a special

[1:46:48] Okay, so this is a fire department, so right now it's a wash

[1:46:52] I'm not, you're not having any savings right now

[1:46:54] I want to see how it works.

[1:46:56] This is my attempt at trying something a little bit different.

[1:47:01] And so that's what we're doing and we'll kind of track it.

[1:47:04] I need some years of tracking to see how that plays out.

[1:47:07] But are typically our new firefighters are going to spend more than our older firefighters

[1:47:11] because they've got a bio bunch of new stuff.

[1:47:12] So I just want to see how that fluctuates.

[1:47:18] Fire department, again, you won't see any notable increases for the most part.

[1:47:22] everything is pretty much the same, we did need a new stretcher and a loader. That has to kind of be done this year.

[1:47:31] Your UMS building is going up a little bit and then your medical director per his contract is going up a little bit.

[1:47:39] So we, okay, excuse me, Councilor.

[1:47:43] Councilor.

[1:47:44] So I noticed that our EMS billing collections went up.

[1:47:50] What are we into spate for that, every?

[1:47:55] So my big thing for right now is tracking what you're

[1:47:59] trending.

[1:48:00] So where did it go?

[1:48:01] It's the other one, yeah.

[1:48:03] And so we did go up, but I was up here.

[1:48:06] Five thousand, I think.

[1:48:08] I went off of where you're currently at right now, and so I

[1:48:17] think on the we should see it on the revenue, it should be a wash on your revenue side.

[1:48:23] Sometimes we have years where everybody pays what they're supposed to pay, and then sometimes I have years that people don't.

[1:48:30] your ass grant is supposed to kind of help offset that a little bit. Some years it does, some years

[1:48:35] it doesn't. My big thought for this one is more of making sure I'm tracking what you're trending on

[1:48:42] this side. We did increase it. If you go back to the very first slide and you look at the revenues,

[1:48:48] you'll see the MS billing what is up a little bit, but it's not an exact wash necessarily,

[1:48:55] because I tried to do it on both sides. I tried to look at your trending revenue versus your

[1:48:59] training expenditure so oh my yeah where do we pay for the fire alarms where do we pay for the

[1:49:10] fire alarms that we install on people's homes and or what which line item is it

[1:49:34] It's like we spend equipment deals in the oil.

[1:49:39] OK.

[1:49:39] My name is operating.

[1:49:41] OK.

[1:49:42] Which one is that?

[1:49:44] It's just operating.

[1:49:45] It's just in your up.

[1:49:46] So we break it.

[1:49:48] Yes, it's miscellaneous.

[1:49:49] Yeah, but we don't have a miscellaneous.

[1:49:50] Essentially, we estimate some of this, right?

[1:49:54] Your station equipment repairs your replacement,

[1:49:56] your equipment oils and fuels.

[1:49:58] So what he's saying is essentially this 175,000,

[1:50:02] It's enough to buy this and the extra little fire alarm,

[1:50:09] which is whatever.

[1:50:09] It comes out of his operating.

[1:50:10] You'll buy the 30 and you'll follow this.

[1:50:14] There are all the trucks, and if we've made a scene,

[1:50:17] where somebody doesn't have one, we hammered one up on the wall.

[1:50:22] But if you were just so long, everybody has a...

[1:50:25] But you also put them in for people who have bought their own,

[1:50:28] and then you put them up, right?

[1:50:30] Yeah, it's two-way street, you know, okay. Thank you. Okay. So I have the

[1:50:37] stretcher replacement as well as the rescue airbags, which is $30,000. And this

[1:50:43] is kind of the new way I'm doing your capital outlays to give you a really good

[1:50:47] description of what we're buying. I know that comes up every year, so this is just

[1:50:50] kind of a new way to repeat yourself.

[1:50:54] And so we have your thermal imaging

[1:50:57] camera as well as your extra on AB equipment. So in the fire department training room, it was put in in

[1:51:04] 2013 when we built the fire station, it hasn't been updated since then and it's done.

[1:51:11] Okay, anyone? Okay.

[1:51:13] I'm sorry, I'm question now. So we're adding an ambulance this year. With so it's supposed to be

[1:51:18] so remember you had your 200,000, we had that 200,000 this year to place the order.

[1:51:23] I might place the order only the other 250 to finish that off and we don't.

[1:51:28] So instead of paying off 400,000 next year, you're a split net.

[1:51:33] Now, it's going to be a little funky because they don't expect payment until the actual

[1:51:40] fire truck gets here.

[1:51:42] So I'm probably going to have to roll over the 200,000 from this year into next year, so

[1:51:47] it'll go into your reserve, but then back out again, but we'll do that over a roll over

[1:51:52] budget adjustment like we do every year, but they don't need payment for the entire truck,

[1:51:58] but for dollars in accounting purposes, you're first 200,000 to give information to

[1:52:04] place the order exists in this year, and the remainder of the balance for the fire truck

[1:52:08] will come out in next year's budget. So instead of taking off 400,000, you're only taking

[1:52:13] 250. Okay, very good. Yes, Councillor Marsha. Thanks for two years. So this is the second

[1:52:21] new truck that we've gotten. This is ambulance. This is ambulance. Yeah. But this is a 2013

[1:52:28] replacement. But we did one in the in the last two years also. Correct. Okay. And that was

[1:52:37] that was with our RF funding. No, that was a fire truck with your RF. Oh, RF. Oh, yes. And then you

[1:52:42] did an ambulance. Yes. I thought we did. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[1:52:49] And then a support truck for 100,000

[1:52:51] of $1,000, it's replacing it in 2012.

[1:52:53] And so when we talk about 100,000 miles,

[1:52:56] then the example of a vehicle going over 100,000 miles.

[1:53:04] And then our auto pulse, 45,000,

[1:53:08] this helps keep you alive until we can get you to the hospital.

[1:53:12] Unless you want to trust Mike,

[1:53:14] giving you trash compressions all the way from here

[1:53:16] to the hospital.

[1:53:18] Did you really?

[1:53:20] Did you really?

[1:53:21] Did you really?

[1:53:23] So you're a total capital outlay for your fire departments, 520,000,

[1:53:33] and so I'm going to throw this out here.

[1:53:38] So your capital for this year's 3.6 million, your fire, all of these things like you said,

[1:53:43] the auto pulse, your structure, with maybe the exception of the truck, but everything that's in here,

[1:53:49] our life safety measures, you would not have been able to purchase these items sitting at

[1:53:56] $3 million, because you're $3 million would have gone down to $2.5, and so you would

[1:54:02] have only been able to do this. You wouldn't have been able to purchase any other capital

[1:54:06] out of it. So I like to, when we say, oh, here, fluffing up the reserve fund. Now if you

[1:54:13] keep it at $3 million, these are the things that you can't do, and we haven't been able

[1:54:16] to do. We always come and we're like slash the capital because we can't afford it. Now you're

[1:54:21] sitting in a position to be able to without batting an eye, purchase the things that

[1:54:26] you need.

[1:54:30] So public works is coming in. This is the breakdown of your public works department.

[1:54:37] The big ones here, I had to go up a little bit. We really slash my wind is budget a little

[1:54:42] bit last year. Materials have gone up and I forgot it. I'll bring it with a retreat. I

[1:54:48] have them give me some examples of some equipment and some just items that we normally purchase

[1:54:54] that have just gone up in price so I have those as examples I just didn't bring them with

[1:54:58] me there on my desk. But you'll see increase here that have gone up a little bit. They did. We

[1:55:06] don't have to purchase the AC kennels but we just need to do some regular maintenance on the

[1:55:11] that are back there.

[1:55:17] The big one here is the project consultant. So you'll see 20,000, that's

[1:55:24] this is one that may go. This is Melinda. If I need to bring her back for the erosion project,

[1:55:31] you don't have enough sitting in your stormwater fund. Now David may be able to handle it,

[1:55:36] but you have some small projects coming up in the next coming year, especially with some water

[1:55:41] to be able to move forward with those,

[1:55:44] if we're able to get grants and stuff,

[1:55:46] you may need some assistant due to that you're staffing levels.

[1:55:51] I'm not saying David can't handle it,

[1:55:53] but it's definitely an added on,

[1:55:55] and Melinda was very familiar with the erosion project,

[1:55:58] the erosion piece, and so to get David back up to stuff.

[1:56:03] Now, again, I'm 610,000 in the whole,

[1:56:06] this would be one of the things that we would consider

[1:56:09] to take out if we needed to take out.

[1:56:12] But again, I just letting you know, like it's sitting in there, I'm highlighting it, but it's

[1:56:16] something that we may not be able to do, but that's one of the increases.

[1:56:24] For public works, your capital is a 2013 Ford Replacement, a 2012 F-150.

[1:56:34] We do have 250,000 for architectural design for the public work building, as well as 33,000

[1:56:45] sitting for cleaning of their AC filters.

[1:56:50] So if you haven't seen my City Manager's report, we got a report on our AC ducts not being

[1:56:55] cleaned, and in taking a proactive approach, we're scheduling in all of the buildings that

[1:57:03] have in order to be proactive and not wait for a complaint. So we're going to go ahead and do that.

[1:57:08] Is that 33,000 for just just public court just what you build in City Hall. That's what I

[1:57:14] thought just City Hall. Just not the fire department fire department separate. You're going to be doing a

[1:57:18] budget adjustment next month. We're going to do it. We have to do it this year. I don't have a choice like

[1:57:22] right just that is what it is. That one's going to be roughly about 16,000 with the UV light. It's

[1:57:28] within my parameters to purchase. You do not have a choice. You have to do the fire department. We'll

[1:57:32] to come over for a budget adjustment in September.

[1:57:35] We're going to bring that to you.

[1:57:37] We had some bad doors on the fire department,

[1:57:39] that just went out that have to be,

[1:57:41] you can't just leave the bad door open, like they have to be done.

[1:57:44] I know we have a conversation on what my authority is to spend.

[1:57:47] Technically, by state law, I have $100,000.

[1:57:50] I can spend.

[1:57:50] I haven't increased our policy.

[1:57:53] I was a sitting at 50.

[1:57:54] I wouldn't recommend that you increase it 200,000.

[1:57:57] I may not always be your sitting manager.

[1:57:59] And so I have your best interest at heart.

[1:58:03] I don't willingly spend unless I absolutely have to.

[1:58:08] And so I normally will come to y'all.

[1:58:10] I'll let y'all know this is what's happening.

[1:58:12] And we'll come for a budget adjustment.

[1:58:14] You'll see my budget adjustments are the number

[1:58:16] of budget adjustments I request every year,

[1:58:18] or pretty minimal, not only two or three a year.

[1:58:21] I don't use to have like six to 10.

[1:58:24] And then your city manager before had a discretionary fund

[1:58:27] on top of her ability to spend.

[1:58:29] She also had an additional 200,000, that she can spend on whatever she wanted.

[1:58:34] I don't have that, I don't have that money.

[1:58:38] So I want to highlight those items because they do come up and so I am probably one of the most

[1:58:45] fruitful people that you will know, I treat your budget like if it's my money too, I'm

[1:58:50] not just going to spend a spend.

[1:58:51] But your AC debt cleaning, we got a complaint, it's something that has to be done in order to minimize your risk for possible future litigation.

[1:59:05] And your public works capital sitting at 413,000.

[1:59:12] Now, you may choose not to do the public works plans or the engineering for that.

[1:59:18] Definitely a chunk.

[1:59:19] So, again, just something to highlight.

[1:59:21] You're planning and zoning department?

[1:59:24] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:59:25] Councillor Compas, go ahead.

[1:59:27] But in that same conversation about the public works, and we, you know, were the 250,000.

[1:59:34] Again, that's not part of the 600,000 deficit.

[1:59:38] This is a capital outlay.

[1:59:40] Okay, that goes against our reserve.

[1:59:42] Okay, just want to make that clear for everybody.

[1:59:45] So that won't bring down the 614,000 deficits, what you're saying?

[1:59:49] But again, you wouldn't be sitting in the position to even consider that if you were sitting at three million dollars.

[1:59:56] The reason you're able to consider these items that are needed that have been-

[2:00:01] We've had conversations about public work since 2012, 2013. You haven't been able to even have that conversation without it being attached to a bond conversation because you didn't have the money being able to do that.

[2:00:15] You are able to do, I feel comfortable enough if you spend the three point six this year and do everything that I'm recommending. You are okay and you would not be able to have that conversation otherwise.

[2:00:27] And so I'm, you're going to hear me say that over and over again because I'm trying to drive home a point that you're three million isn't enough anymore to sit in your reserve fund in order for you to continue to operate and do the things that you need to do to keep the city moving because if your tax rate goes up in order to support your M&O, you're not going to be able to go out or you could go out for a bond, but then your tax rate could be sitting at 0.65, 0.64 if it went up like that.

[2:00:53] So I'm trying to mitigate your debt, as well,

[2:00:57] and make sure that you can support

[2:01:00] some of those projects with what you have sitting in your reserve.

[2:01:04] Now, you may not agree with me,

[2:01:05] and that is your prerogative to do that,

[2:01:07] and it is your prerogative to vote differently.

[2:01:09] So if you don't want to do the public work to the lean,

[2:01:12] if you don't want to do the police department property room,

[2:01:14] you all have the power.

[2:01:16] The power does not sit with me.

[2:01:18] The power sits with y'all.

[2:01:20] You were voted into the office to spend these dollars.

[2:01:22] These are just me and the staff's recommendation on how these dollars should be spent, so I want to make that clear.

[2:01:29] That is true.

[2:01:30] That is true.

[2:01:31] How do you have a choice on the property room?

[2:01:35] I say you don't have a choice, but I mean technically you don't budget for it.

[2:01:38] We don't do it and then mean the chief have a decision to make whether or not we can stay out of continue to work here and stay out of compliance.

[2:01:44] Okay, well, I'll address this further.

[2:01:47] We'll go back to it.

[2:01:54] or whether you all would want to do that.

[2:01:56] I mean, you're property, I mean, evidence,

[2:01:58] chain custody and evidence.

[2:02:01] We showed you, or for those that went to the CPAC,

[2:02:04] you saw the news clippings from cities that didn't do that.

[2:02:07] So, at least that in Google that,

[2:02:09] and that would not look good on the city either.

[2:02:13] So, your planning and zoning department,

[2:02:17] you'll see big increases over here 384,000

[2:02:20] then for your cynical West inspections, you will also see that on your revenue site.

[2:02:25] It is a wash, so it's not impacting your budget, it's just the number of houses that are

[2:02:31] being turned out in the subdivision, you're going to have that increased expenditure to

[2:02:35] BB inspections in your health inspector, and so you will also see that on your revenue site

[2:02:41] of things.

[2:02:42] So the developer has to pay the inspection fee, so you'll see that in your revenue increase,

[2:02:47] and you'll see the expenditure going out here as well. So, it's a wash.

[2:02:52] But, I know, I'm sorry.

[2:02:53] The 250 for the comprehensive master plan.

[2:02:59] I thought it came in.

[2:03:01] It's just a wash. That's what you budgeted that.

[2:03:03] I know, but it didn't come in at 250.

[2:03:06] It came in at 1.38 or something from Ardura.

[2:03:10] So, that extra is going into the reserve.

[2:03:13] Okay, well actually it's a little bit more than that. I added the transportation component on Bender Road

[2:03:18] So it's like 140 something. Okay, but it's up. Yeah, it's definitely less than to chew 50

[2:03:23] But that wasn't this year's budget

[2:03:25] Understit that I just want to make that comment that I did think we spent to 50

[2:03:31] We budgeted, but we didn't it came in lower

[2:03:34] Correct, and the reason it came in lower was because our deer had already done your horn master plan

[2:03:40] How that not happened, it would have been to share.

[2:03:47] Your economic development fund, this is your economic development.

[2:03:50] Your personnel services are sitting at 399.

[2:03:53] Your contractual is at 399 and your capital outlay as at 440.

[2:03:57] Leaving your ending fund balance sitting at 883,000.

[2:04:02] So just to clarify that total personnel services includes

[2:04:07] The two code enforcement officers in Sarah's full salary and Christian Miranda's percentage.

[2:04:16] Those four people that's it.

[2:04:20] And so, so you'll see here your project funding is zero.

[2:04:27] I apologize when we're playing with numbers.

[2:04:28] We were looking at sitting at about 20.

[2:04:32] But that changed because what I projected for your salary increases and we'll go over that in just a little bit.

[2:04:40] Your economic development, again, for the majority of things, have gone down.

[2:04:46] We've budgeted pretty much the same for our staff.

[2:04:53] And so you do have some capital that's still remaining.

[2:04:56] You still owe on some of your agreements.

[2:04:59] And then I have your public, the other 250 from your public works department.

[2:05:03] And now I have 100,000 for Tyler.

[2:05:05] This is the upgrade to go to the cloud base system.

[2:05:08] Now, can I split that? I can't share it with the water department if you want to but the problem with that is is your water

[2:05:13] Is it your enterprise fund isn't doing as well that would like it to do right now, so I'm putting it all here

[2:05:19] So the public works building plants and engineers coming from the

[2:05:24] Reserved fund your reserve eddy your reserve general fund. Your reserve eddy fund

[2:05:33] And I think I think it's a total I think I did five hundred dollars

[2:05:37] So that's the thing, how I split it.

[2:05:39] You could take, you don't have to take 100,000 from here.

[2:05:43] You could take some from another fund.

[2:05:44] The problem is, as we get to your water department,

[2:05:48] you'll see, especially in your storm water department,

[2:05:51] if we do the 800,000 for the erosion plan,

[2:05:53] because I programmed that in based on the surveys

[2:05:55] that were coming in, you'd only be sitting at,

[2:05:58] like, 234,000 in the good over there.

[2:06:00] And so that's really not, we're not to have a conversation

[2:06:03] about what that looks like.

[2:06:06] So, your water department until we start seeing the impact of the rate increases, you're not really going to be able to...

[2:06:13] We used to be able to shift things over from your general fund to your water fund.

[2:06:17] You're not going to be able to do that right now until we start seeing the impact.

[2:06:20] And then another conversation, we're not there yet, but when you get to your enterprise fund, one of the big arguments at the time from Mr. Bradshaw and from...

[2:06:34] So our Tears Matt Shaw's, when our sauce is going up 33% over the next three years.

[2:06:39] So is that the conversation you still want to have?

[2:06:41] We need a Matt Shaw.

[2:06:42] So we do we need to re-evaluate the water again and go up in order to Matt Shaw's.

[2:06:46] So that's another conversation.

[2:06:49] It's not a right now conversation.

[2:06:50] I don't have that programmed into the enterprise fund, but your enterprise fund isn't

[2:06:57] like you're not going to be able to offset your general fund with your, with the water fund.

[2:07:02] Can you give us the balance then after we if all of this 440 is it is it's right there where is it?

[2:07:09] 883,000 dollars.

[2:07:11] You're ending your homes.

[2:07:13] No, that's expenditure.

[2:07:14] I'm at the right there.

[2:07:19] Help.

[2:07:20] That's not right.

[2:07:22] It's sitting.

[2:07:24] Go back hold on.

[2:07:27] Yeah, it'll be the reserve fund wherever that is or the.

[2:07:30] Where is that at?

[2:07:31] I know.

[2:07:33] Where did I put that at?

[2:07:34] It's cut off.

[2:07:37] I think it's on this slide.

[2:07:38] It's just cut off.

[2:07:39] We'll get it for you.

[2:07:40] Thank you.

[2:07:41] It's the 440,000 minus you'll be getting fun balance and it's not on this one.

[2:07:47] Okay.

[2:07:47] That's fine.

[2:07:48] We can do that on Saturday.

[2:07:50] Take me because I'm like, I thought I'm one of them.

[2:07:52] Sorry.

[2:07:52] I think it was our copy-paste situation.

[2:07:55] Yep.

[2:07:55] Okay.

[2:07:56] I'll get that for you.

[2:07:59] Um, y'all, these are your breakdown of your capital and your ED fund, which is your

[2:08:05] world's tile, your little seat, your little scissors, or the other thing that's seen in

[2:08:09] there is a possible hotel feasibility study, I'm sorry.

[2:08:12] Somebody told me that tricolor got upstarted again, and it's another, it's going to be another

[2:08:19] car dealership, so do we still need to do the hotel feasibility study?

[2:08:24] Maybe again, it's a conversation we can have. Okay. I wasn't planning on a hotel next to track color. That wasn't where I wasn't thinking your hotel

[2:08:32] Okay

[2:08:33] It was pitched out as an idea when you're taking your economic development interviews. I was looking at an expansion with your aquarium because they generate quite a bit in sales tax

[2:08:42] And so I would have rather have your sales tax impacted because if you look at the pie chart

[2:08:47] Your sales tax goes to your general

[2:08:50] fundraiser, hotel motel tax only can be used for tourism. It's got a very specific use.

[2:08:56] So hotel motel taxes at my top priority, but it is another revenue source that we can investigate.

[2:09:03] And I do think you have around 410 where you have it's now expressed in, but it was like your equal lodge.

[2:09:12] I'm looking because it has increased call volume and some other things.

[2:09:16] I was really looking at a hotel feasibility study to have somebody come in, tear that down

[2:09:20] and build something nicer, because it is awful for 10.

[2:09:24] That was my concept for the hotel feasibility study to pitch to some nicer hotels if we were

[2:09:30] to take some of our reserve fund and help demolish that and kind of help the transition

[2:09:37] for that as part of an economic development project was my idea, but we hadn't gotten there

[2:09:41] to have that conversation yet.

[2:09:44] Yeah, I was just thinking it was that when we did the interviews for the economic development that was an idea that came up, which is a great idea thinking outside the box all of the things.

[2:09:57] But for us and what I know here and what I was wanting to do with that tri-color property is I know that can be no I know people hear the aquarium and PETA and the animals and all the things.

[2:10:08] But they do generate quite a bit in sales tax revenue, and they were looking at one point in expanding a little bit, and so I was looking at more having a conversation with them about an expansion project.

[2:10:21] But as you know, when we were dealing with the Estadage Cardulation flips are quite complicated, and so it looks like it's going to be another Cardulation.

[2:10:29] Okay,

[2:10:32] public works building plans and engineering, that's the other 250,000, but again, we don't have to do the hotel feasibility. I mean, guys, like, I understand.

[2:10:40] It's just, that was just my preliminary, you know, happening where it's just a spot. Tyler Technologies, this is the upgrade, it won't really be all 100,000 upfront.

[2:10:51] We have to put a portion down.

[2:10:54] It's about an 18 to 24 month transition to 10.

[2:11:01] They're giving us more of like a warning.

[2:11:04] So if we don't do it next year,

[2:11:07] we're going to have to do it the following year.

[2:11:09] So I'm programming the full amount now

[2:11:11] because you have it now

[2:11:13] and then we can go ahead and sign that agreement

[2:11:15] if you all were to prove

[2:11:16] and then we just kind of set aside that money

[2:11:19] and then each year we'd have to roll it over probably for the next two fiscal years until that

[2:11:23] kind of like what we did transition, your Microsoft Office 365, it rolled over for two years,

[2:11:28] so we could complete that transition. This would be kind of similar to that.

[2:11:33] And code. Okay. They're just going actually, I think in long term it might be a little bit cheaper

[2:11:39] when to make the transition right now. It lives on a server, server here at City Hall.

[2:11:45] And so the cloud base may be over time, because you're not having a purchase of equipment,

[2:11:50] you're not having a purchase to serve your equipment in order to support that technology.

[2:11:55] Could save you money on that, not a lot of money, but could save you money on that.

[2:11:59] Your code enforcement and animal control, again, you'll see it zeroed out because we moved it over into your EDCD fund.

[2:12:07] And for the most part, everything kind of is leveling out.

[2:12:12] This department, technically, is falling under Michael.

[2:12:15] He's going to be managing the code enforcement staff.

[2:12:17] We did lose a code enforcement office, nothing to do with Michael.

[2:12:21] He just didn't, he liked the code.

[2:12:22] He didn't like the animal side of things.

[2:12:24] And so he only wanted to do code.

[2:12:27] And unfortunately, I couldn't just do that.

[2:12:31] Because when somebody takes off, somebody has to go and get the animals.

[2:12:34] And so he decided to part ways with us because he didn't want to help him handle dogs.

[2:12:39] So thank goodness for Elijah, he's been dedicated and Elijah's officially certified now.

[2:12:47] Oh, and so he's been here for a couple of years now, right?

[2:12:51] Yeah, I'll do, I think.

[2:12:55] You're special events.

[2:12:56] Okay, so in your special events, the mayor pitched a volunteer appreciation dinner again.

[2:13:01] So I put that in there.

[2:13:04] I put 15,000 for the fourth, if you want to continue with a small event.

[2:13:08] I know we'll talk a little bit on Saturday about the fourth and all of that, but it's

[2:13:13] still ranking number three, so if you take the top three on the other side, you would have

[2:13:20] to add three police officers, because that ranks number three on the other side.

[2:13:24] So it's just a conversation you don't need to have, but I've did put in 15,000, our Christmas

[2:13:30] tree lighting, here's the P.S. metal, so this is the expenditure side of your P.S.

[2:13:35] to metal, and then, because we added the volunteer appreciation dinner, I added the staff

[2:13:40] holiday lunch and back in as well. Again, as we're again, just a conversation. Those were

[2:13:45] the two things that I got from volunteers was, no volunteer at dinner this year, Mayor,

[2:13:51] and no metals, so it seemed to be a recurring thing around. And so I don't know if you hurt

[2:13:56] but anyway that I just mentioned that to me.

[2:13:58] Well, why are you going to leave those?

[2:13:59] It's not going to say B-610,000.

[2:14:01] No, it's not.

[2:14:02] So I mean it.

[2:14:03] But anyway, it's a conversation we can have.

[2:14:06] Yes, Councillor Arasca.

[2:14:08] Crystal, I know that the money that is being put in mind

[2:14:12] in this, but you don't have the event on here.

[2:14:16] It should cost us that much to do the presentation.

[2:14:21] Would that fall under the lead you?

[2:14:25] I mean, that's up to you on what you all want to do, that would be a separate line item.

[2:14:31] We were originally, the original concept was to unveil it with the Fourth of July and the

[2:14:36] Legion didn't want to do that.

[2:14:39] We have to have a whole conversation at the retreat about the Legion and their expectations

[2:14:42] of the city and there were unwilling to help support the monument and they ask a lot

[2:14:47] from us to give to them for free.

[2:14:50] So, you know, we do need to have a conversation with them about that, but our conversation

[2:14:54] with y'all on how you want to continue to support them.

[2:14:59] But with that being...

[2:15:00] I said, you don't need any money really if you're just going to unveil it and cut a ribbon. Like, I just depends on what you want to do. Now, if you want to have like a whole hot dog than hamburger situation and all that stuff, then yeah, you're going to have to have some money, but I don't have any money for the unveiling.

[2:15:16] I bet you could get sponsors for that if that's what you wanted.

[2:15:19] I mean, I don't have to have, you know, or we're changing it, but I don't want to, you know,

[2:15:24] for it to be mediocre, we're, uh, percent in a modeling mess for men and women

[2:15:30] in a gig in life, but it's country or still here, and we're willing to put their lives

[2:15:35] from this country. I don't want to make a mediocre. We don't want it.

[2:15:39] You already spent 40,000 on a monument. I mean, so if you, it just depends on what you

[2:15:44] want to do for the event. Okay, we can continue talking about it a bit.

[2:15:48] Yeah, okay, Councillor Marshall. So are we still kind of on track that the

[2:15:53] monument could be ready by the fourth of July? It won't be. It won't be. It's scheduled

[2:15:58] date. I think it's like October 15th or so. So I don't hear the fiscal year. It will be

[2:16:03] it's ordered the purchase what we haven't paid for yet. It'll be those that's another

[2:16:07] roll over item, but it'll happen almost immediately into the new fiscal year. So, but yes,

[2:16:13] and so it'll be there and it'll be installed and all of the great things.

[2:16:17] We just got to figure out what event it's going to be.

[2:16:20] If it's going to be by itself, if it's going to be its own unveiling, however, you all want

[2:16:24] to handle that.

[2:16:26] So if you just want to do a ribbon cutting, proclamation, and have the American Legion there,

[2:16:33] that kind of thing.

[2:16:34] If you want to line it up with mine 11, and even though it's installed, you don't do your

[2:16:39] unveiling until the American Legion does their 9.11 event, you can certainly do that.

[2:16:43] So it's definitely a conversation we can continue to have.

[2:16:46] I just need to know, if you're going to require us to have water or food or if it's going to be on the weekends after hours, I need a budget over time for that.

[2:16:56] I mean, not for a lot of people.

[2:16:57] And that's where I was going with that.

[2:16:59] Yeah, so, but I just need to know what you're, how many, if you're looking three hour event, four hour event, what I don't think I said.

[2:17:06] We can cross that bridge, Mayor, when we get to it.

[2:17:08] Yeah, we'll talk about it on Saturday.

[2:17:11] Okay.

[2:17:12] Yes, Councillor.

[2:17:13] Compass.

[2:17:14] So, I was noticing that the earthwise living, but it has been decreased to $2,700,

[2:17:25] but how does, so my understanding of the way that that event works is that the earthwise

[2:17:32] living go out and solicit contributions.

[2:17:37] Okay.

[2:17:38] And then they don't use all the money that they collected from my understanding.

[2:17:43] And so there's a carryover of funds, no?

[2:17:48] No, not necessarily.

[2:17:49] So, ma'am, show job variations of that budget multiple times.

[2:17:52] And so, we always budget 2700, this 7,488 comes into whatever's remaining left over.

[2:18:01] I don't have, we don't, we, I think last year it was like 3,000 or 4,000.

[2:18:05] And we have extra this year going forward.

[2:18:08] Unless we, we spend it, and that's what we're working on.

[2:18:12] Yeah. We're working on it. So they don't know how much they're going to have to

[2:18:15] roll over and agree over whether or not they're going to finish spending that money this year.

[2:18:20] So I don't know what that is. So it may be 3,000. It may be 5,000. So that would go back up to

[2:18:25] 7,000. So like you see the first year 63 because that's all they had left over to roll over.

[2:18:31] This went up towards the end of the budget conversation when we knew what they were going to

[2:18:36] and we have more presentation and that the council decided how much to move over and so that's what we did last year.

[2:18:44] And so that will happen this year.

[2:18:45] And I was going to say that one thing that the committee and police council members piping is we are actually paying

[2:18:54] for replacement of the booth because they're getting old and so we're taking on that responsibility.

[2:19:03] So what else would you say on that?

[2:19:07] But whatever that looks like.

[2:19:09] So I mean, we're no money to carry over.

[2:19:10] It would be up to the council to increase that line item.

[2:19:14] But from my understanding, you'll have it finish having the conversation about what you'll want to go over.

[2:19:19] So we always start off at 2,700.

[2:19:21] Then I present to you all this is what they actually spent.

[2:19:24] Whether you want to include staff or whatever you want to include as far as the expenditure portion or not.

[2:19:28] And then we take whatever's remaining and we add it to this amount.

[2:19:33] But I don't know that yet.

[2:19:35] But we always kind of start off with, because we can't work with nothing.

[2:19:38] So we start off at the 2700.

[2:19:40] And then if they have nothing, if they say, look, we're going to replace the booze.

[2:19:44] We're going to do this.

[2:19:45] This is how we're spending this money.

[2:19:47] We have zero.

[2:19:48] But we can't run next year on 2700.

[2:19:51] Can you give me an additional five.

[2:19:54] Then that's up to the council whether or not to do that.

[2:19:56] But right now, we don't know what that is.

[2:19:58] I was going to say that, you know, we thought with the cancellation of the 4th of July, we'd

[2:20:03] get a lot more, the only person who contributed, the only entity that contributed was the

[2:20:09] law firm, line burger, $1,000.

[2:20:11] But the rest of them had already heard that we weren't going to have it, so they didn't.

[2:20:16] I believe that was the only one that we got.

[2:20:20] So that's why we have this movement.

[2:20:21] So I didn't decrease it.

[2:20:23] I just don't know if it's going to be.

[2:20:27] So that's just the breakdown.

[2:20:32] Your parks in Rec.

[2:20:34] We put all your salaries under your general fund.

[2:20:37] We just like to view from all together versus separating them.

[2:20:39] So they set in your public works account.

[2:20:42] But we do keep it a separate amount.

[2:20:45] We didn't have a whole bunch of increases here.

[2:20:48] I did increase the park maintenance for nets and tables and stuff.

[2:20:52] Just the cost of doing business is going out.

[2:20:54] Then we just have our regular needs.

[2:20:55] What is park amenities?

[2:20:56] So anything to do with like your pavilion, any of like your equipment, any of your barbeque

[2:21:05] pit, sometimes need to be blasted and cleaned up with water, you know, I'm trying

[2:21:13] to use sophisticated words, but the thing to clean up your barbeque pit, okay.

[2:21:20] A tree removal, I decreased it a little bit.

[2:21:25] I, on your tree mitigation, I put some money over there for that.

[2:21:29] We did put some in your capital as well to get some of the under your tree mitigation fund

[2:21:36] to get some of the dead trees removed.

[2:21:39] But we did decrease the budget a little bit and the big one of that is your pull contract.

[2:21:45] So you'll see a big decrease, but the big component to that is your pull contract.

[2:21:51] I'm not anticipating any pull revenue, and so therefore I don't have a contract.

[2:21:55] I do, we're anticipating, like, having construction start by next summer.

[2:22:00] I could be wrong.

[2:22:01] We're still end up in the, it could be like a text out situation, and then we're going to

[2:22:05] have to flip return and reverse, and I will come back and we will do a budget adjustment

[2:22:11] for them.

[2:22:16] No, it's not that, it's just that we'll be under construction during that, like it won't be open in the summer.

[2:22:22] But you gave us the timeline and so I thought they were going to start like in the fall, right?

[2:22:27] Correct, they start but it goes all the way through, if you look at the timeline, it's just the way it goes.

[2:22:33] And then parts have to be, that's our interest, we had the, the hiking bike is a great example of this.

[2:22:38] We've had about a hundred different timelines for hiking bikes segment too.

[2:22:43] The Texas Parks and Wildlife work very much like TechSat.

[2:22:46] There's a lot of meetings and plans and forms and all the things.

[2:22:51] And so I would love to say that that timeline is in concrete.

[2:22:55] My experience with state funds is that they're not.

[2:23:00] That those timelines move more often than not.

[2:23:03] And so I am based on the timeline we have, based on what we think we're going to

[2:23:08] complete, I think you're going to be close next summer.

[2:23:11] If that changes at any point, if I see that,

[2:23:14] it looks like we're hitting close to the fall,

[2:23:16] we're not breaking ground, we have to, we're not contracts,

[2:23:19] then I know we're not going to break ground

[2:23:20] in the middle of a summer.

[2:23:23] And so then I've got to come back to you all and say,

[2:23:25] look, if you want to be open, this is what's

[2:23:27] going to cost, and you know, OK.

[2:23:31] But the river, Uno reverse, is kind of where

[2:23:33] we're at with that.

[2:23:34] But that's the big decrease.

[2:23:40] And again, if you account so full's more comfortable budgeting for it,

[2:23:44] rather than not, you're certainly more than welcome to do so.

[2:23:48] But that would impact that 610,000.

[2:23:55] Your mayor, this is your capital.

[2:23:57] So we do have the 1.2 million for your hike and bike too.

[2:24:02] We have your veterans memorial, monument, what we think we're going to finish owning your sprinkler system.

[2:24:13] You're right away tree removal for your tree mitigation.

[2:24:16] Yes, I'm sorry.

[2:24:17] Councillor Comfort has a question.

[2:24:19] Dr. Caldery.

[2:24:22] This hike and bike sprinkler system.

[2:24:26] This is something other than the recycle.

[2:24:29] No, this is the recycled water line.

[2:24:30] Because I didn't see anything about recycle.

[2:24:35] We just, it's my fault, because originally it was the sprinkler system, so I didn't update the language for it.

[2:24:41] But since the conversation, we updated the number, I just didn't update the narrative, so we will do that.

[2:24:46] And do we have, I don't know if it's in for the retreat, an idea of how much potable water we currently use.

[2:24:54] David's getting that number for me, I'm hoping to have that for Saturday.

[2:24:57] That was a question that somebody asked at the last meeting.

[2:24:59] Um, so he's getting that number. I'll have it for you at the retreat. Thank you.

[2:25:07] Um, your tree mitigation fund. We're putting 90,000 into clean up your dead trees.

[2:25:15] Your library. Um, it's kind of breakdown of your library. Um, we're keeping them pretty much the same.

[2:25:22] Um, I did have a little bit of repairs and maintenance for their building.

[2:25:26] And the thing I thought we were going to be able to make it is their AC, oops, sorry.

[2:25:33] I had it removed because you're going to have to buy it this year.

[2:25:37] It went out, and so we're going to have to replace our AC that will be an uncoming budget adjustment

[2:25:42] for you all.

[2:25:44] They can't get it back up and running.

[2:25:45] So it's one of their older.

[2:25:46] What is that going to cost?

[2:25:48] David's getting quotes right now, but we're anticipating about 20,000, close to 20,000 with

[2:25:53] installation to replace one of those ACs.

[2:25:56] but we had it programmed in your capital

[2:25:58] or took it out of your capital because that one,

[2:26:01] they have to think a total of six ACs is the library.

[2:26:04] So it's one of them, but it's one of their older ones.

[2:26:07] So that will come out of the capital.

[2:26:08] I will come out of the capital for this year.

[2:26:12] Unless, I don't know, magic returns back on.

[2:26:16] But it's okay, it's a little warm over there.

[2:26:19] I mean, it's a little warm over there

[2:26:21] and it's causing the other ACs to work harder

[2:26:23] than they need to, but we'll try to get it

[2:26:26] place as soon as possible. Yeah. Good. Um, we don't want to get into this late summer months.

[2:26:32] That's right. That's right. The library. So the library is sitting pretty good. We had a couple

[2:26:37] of increases so they are going up a little bit. We try really hard right now not to hit the library

[2:26:44] or anything to do with the library. They've done excellent this year in applying for grants and

[2:26:49] getting recommended for funding. Now whether or not we get the funding. I think she's gotten one or

[2:26:53] you so far this year, but Regina's probably one of the departments that does an excellent

[2:26:59] job of really kind of going after the money to support the program.

[2:27:04] Thank you.

[2:27:05] And how many employees?

[2:27:08] Oh gosh.

[2:27:08] Okay, hold on.

[2:27:09] Because I know it's part-time and I have four full-time two part-time four full-time and two

[2:27:17] part-time.

[2:27:18] Thank you.

[2:27:19] After while it starts to rush.

[2:27:21] Okay.

[2:27:21] three parts. Yeah, dev, dev used to be like four hours a week. I don't know, we made her

[2:27:28] She went to, she went to seven or 15 hours. What did yeah? Okay. We do have the

[2:27:36] forine in your capital for the library if you've been in the children's wing. The

[2:27:40] forine is awful. It does need to be, we've tried to clean it. It won't come up. It

[2:27:44] just looks bad. But also again, something that can wait another year if you want, if

[2:27:49] need it to wait. So that's 110. All right, moving on to your enterprise fund. Your

[2:27:56] operating revenue is a sitting at 5.5 million. Your operating expenses are sitting at 4.9.

[2:28:03] Your transfers out for your debt services is 104. Your person that was 1.3 and your

[2:28:07] capital is 1.9. I'm going to go over your capital a little bit and see what you all want to

[2:28:13] with that, and okay, well look at that. So your water cells are sitting at 2.2, your

[2:28:20] sewer cells are sitting at 2.5, and then your stormwater fees are sitting at about 554,000

[2:28:27] as far as your revenue goes.

[2:28:31] The biggest item here, more so, is your contractual. Again,

[2:28:37] we really decreased your personnel. If you remember the mayor years ago, it used to be

[2:28:41] really high on your personnel.

[2:28:43] I'm as part of an initiative to remove personnel from your water fund.

[2:28:46] That's really gone down.

[2:28:47] And so the majority of what you're spending your money on is contractual and capital services.

[2:28:53] And this is just a breakdown of your expenses.

[2:28:56] The majority of it is on your shoeer side.

[2:28:59] This is a breakdown.

[2:29:00] And so if you take a look at your operating revenues here, you have everything grouped in.

[2:29:05] You have your water, your sewer, and your storm water, your storm water, yes it lives

[2:29:10] in your enterprise fund, but the revenues for that is separated out because storm water can only

[2:29:16] be used for certain things. And so, but you have to, you have to look at the accounting

[2:29:24] as one lump sum and then kind of take out your storm water because the revenues can only

[2:29:29] be used for certain things and I'll kind of go over what that looks like a little bit.

[2:29:33] So after, excuse me, so is the increase in the water rates reflected here?

[2:29:41] Sort of.

[2:29:42] Okay.

[2:29:42] I think our.

[2:29:43] So we took what the presentation was and what we paid the revenues are going to be.

[2:29:48] And we have it reflected here.

[2:29:52] I am.

[2:29:53] You see an increase here.

[2:29:55] Right.

[2:29:56] And so we have that there.

[2:29:58] But we don't.

[2:30:00] I don't know exactly what that's going to be until we get them in. Like I don't know how much water you're going to use next year. We make that the everybody makes an estimate.

[2:30:08] This is only for the lay-on-value water customers. Correct.

[2:30:12] Your inappropriate one is not-

[2:30:13] I understand. I just want to clarify that for the viewers or, yeah.

[2:30:18] It does not include the sauce customers. Correct.

[2:30:21] And we're going to get a big increase in what I understand.

[2:30:24] So yes, it's supposed to be, I think, 2005.

[2:30:26] Well, I heard 33 over three years or I mean, I've seen by the time it gets your council, it may change a little bit.

[2:30:32] I know like what we went through the conversation we went through, so that may be adjusted.

[2:30:36] But then again, you know, kind of what I said earlier, the big topic was to keep Leon Valley water customers, the same as saws customers, so there wasn't confusion.

[2:30:45] And so do you want to go back and take a look at that?

[2:30:49] So, after you take a look at your fixed assets, we really kind of went through your water

[2:30:55] fund.

[2:30:56] I still want to take a deeper dive in your water fund a little bit as far as some detail

[2:31:02] stuff, but you're sitting with an Indian fund balance of 921,000.

[2:31:08] And I'll kind of go over that a little bit.

[2:31:12] Your operating revenues is about 5 million, your expenses are a little over 4 million.

[2:31:18] You're having about a $500,000 increase, but then we're looking at spending your water

[2:31:26] capital and your sugar capital and your storm water is separate and if we spend the

[2:31:31] 800,000 in your capital in order to do the erosion program, you'd be negative $77,000.

[2:31:38] So we can offset that and decrease that but then you would zero out your storm water account.

[2:31:41] And so we've already spent in the plan options a little bit of money in this fund and so it is more of a conversation of how much more you want to continue to spend in order to get the plan that you want.

[2:32:00] We do have one more meeting, and now we're looking at one more option with the retaining,

[2:32:05] I think it's the retaining option, which our Dura is already kind of got prepped for that.

[2:32:10] And so it's just a conversation of what plan you want to pick.

[2:32:13] And then this isn't cover the construction cost.

[2:32:15] This was just the contract you have with our Dura for the engineering piece.

[2:32:19] So once you pick a plan, they can do the engineering portion of it.

[2:32:23] They are contract when we went out was initially 800,000 for the engineering.

[2:32:27] And so y'all have diverted from the original acceptance of that original contract because the original contract was for option one they were moving forward with that then I halted that project because it was going to take out too many trees and so since then we've spent money on that $800,000 contract with additional options but that $800,000 contract was originally set for option the first option that was voted on.

[2:32:55] So if you spend all 800 or if you decrease that, then you won't sit in a negative bond.

[2:33:02] So we have to have a conversation of what you want to do with that.

[2:33:06] I get that that's the number one priority.

[2:33:08] I do think you need to come up with a solution.

[2:33:11] I just don't know if it's going to be the full engineering services

[2:33:15] and I need to have a conversation with our bureau what that looks like when you finally pick up.

[2:33:19] Once you'll pick a plan, then I'll have a better idea of how much that will cost.

[2:33:25] This is just your water breakdown, this is your expenses, your expenses sitting at about 1.8.

[2:33:33] And your big thing here is your capital outlet, we have 140,000 sitting in water rights and 500,000 sitting in improvements.

[2:33:39] And I'm going to go through all of these and I'm going to explain a little bit about what my attempt is to do with your water department or your enterprise fund.

[2:33:47] This is just the breakdown.

[2:33:48] This is, you can see, we've made, excuse me, yes, Councillor, compass.

[2:33:56] So in looking at the water and sewer, it looks like some of our expenses are going up

[2:34:03] that are outside of our control.

[2:34:05] So like this EAA program management fees, typically I think it's a pass through on the water

[2:34:13] bill.

[2:34:14] So did we increase our revenue to offset this?

[2:34:17] Yeah, I think we have to go back and look.

[2:34:19] I don't know, I don't know.

[2:34:21] And then later on, I see it in the sewer where there's a big increase in the sewer and

[2:34:28] are we passing that increase cost?

[2:34:31] On to the revenue set.

[2:34:32] I have to look at the original calculations.

[2:34:34] So what essentially we did was anything that went up that are required for program fee management

[2:34:41] stuff, water worth had a scheduled program for us.

[2:34:45] like we go up here and your revenues go up there.

[2:34:49] And so it should be included, but I don't want to speak wrong and give you wrong information

[2:34:52] so I need to get the breakdown, I have that on another spreadsheet, I'll get the breakdown

[2:34:55] and make sure that that was in fact indicated on that sheet because I don't want to tell you

[2:35:00] wrong.

[2:35:02] Yes, but in looking at and looking at your water department, we have decreased a lot of the

[2:35:09] items are kept everything the same for the most part in your contractual and your professional

[2:35:13] services. You'll see little to no increase. A fuel has gone up a little bit, but for the most part

[2:35:20] you're sitting okay.

[2:35:26] Now the water rights and your capital essentially what has happened,

[2:35:31] let me do what I said I was going to do. We have 140 and 500,000. This is your sewer. Are you also

[2:35:38] have capital of 500,000 sitting over there.

[2:35:43] Your sewer department, this is the variance from last year, and again, we have 500,000 sitting

[2:35:51] over it.

[2:35:51] And this is your storm water,

[2:35:55] and we have the $800,000 erosion project, but I want to

[2:35:59] go back.

[2:36:01] So essentially what I'm looking at doing for both your water and sewer in your capital,

[2:36:07] what you ended up doing,

[2:36:13] go back.

[2:36:15] you're estimated. Where's it at? Where's

[2:36:20] the one point four? There it is.

[2:36:22] Yeah, we're here. So you have your the grant amount that hasn't been for

[2:36:31] cammingway. We have to pay all of that upfront. We haven't gone that route. We

[2:36:35] haven't received from the county. C to B j. Correct. Okay. So that will, we'll

[2:36:43] Hopefully we get that back in sitting in your account, but we have to expend it all.

[2:36:50] We don't have a separate grant line item here, and so it does make it look funky.

[2:36:56] I get it.

[2:36:57] It's something that needs to be kind of fixed.

[2:37:00] The other thing is, but this is just kind of the way you've been doing it, and so it's

[2:37:04] one of the things we're working on on our side.

[2:37:06] One of the big reasons I haven't touched this is because I'm having David and part of our

[2:37:11] conversations is put together all of your water, all of your sewer replacement and as we get to the street maintenance, all of your street maintenance.

[2:37:21] And so essentially what I'm going to do is have you all approve a plan that coincide in overlap on how you want to handle your street maintenance, your water and sewer.

[2:37:32] You've also done a lot of budget adjustments in the last year.

[2:37:35] So we were budgeting 500,000 and 100,000,

[2:37:38] but your bids for some of these water projects

[2:37:40] came in at 720, 800, 800,000,

[2:37:45] for some of the initial priority one projects.

[2:37:47] So you've had a lot of budget adjustments.

[2:37:49] So your reserve fund for both of those accounts

[2:37:51] have also come down.

[2:37:53] We will expect to get this money back

[2:37:55] and we're gonna figure out how to kind of show that a little bit.

[2:38:01] So it's the counting pieces a little bit better, my big, so that portion, hopefully, will

[2:38:08] roll back into here.

[2:38:10] But I also don't think that amount is enough to be sitting in your reserve for the projects

[2:38:14] you have coming or that we're kind of anticipating.

[2:38:18] Now we've applied, we're getting ready to apply Texas development water board, all of that.

[2:38:24] And so then the second conversation on your water fund is going to be whether or not to go

[2:38:29] for a bond initiative in order to start getting some of those projects done if we fail to get the

[2:38:34] grant or get any funds from that. But I wanted to kind of start the conversation on the

[2:38:40] enterprise fund. You have the other 500,000 and the other sitting in your sewer fund. I'll

[2:38:46] probably recommend that. You can leave it there, but we probably won't spend it. And the reason

[2:38:51] we won't spend it is until we can get a handle on the plan you want. I don't want to willy

[2:38:57] And this is the next set of priorities for your sewer or your next set of priorities for your water without it having y'all prove your street maintenance.

[2:39:06] And so David's working on a really cool spreadsheet of senior draft of it and he's going to give you two options.

[2:39:11] And we're going to present that to you.

[2:39:12] You're going to accept how we're going to handle that.

[2:39:15] And then next year when we come in FY28,

[2:39:18] We will no longer see, hoping, 500,000 for water projects and 500,000 for sewer, they will

[2:39:26] be by name.

[2:39:28] So every year for as long as you've been here mayor, we've always just said 500,000 for

[2:39:31] water, but a hundred and forty for water rights.

[2:39:34] It will be specific.

[2:39:36] Okay.

[2:39:36] If you've never had that here before, we're trying to drill down so you know exactly what

[2:39:40] you're paying for in those water improvements.

[2:39:44] My only reason for keeping the money in here like this, my fear is we've been having a lot of water

[2:39:50] main breaks, you have aging infrastructure, and so it allows us to do those repairs as they

[2:39:56] break.

[2:39:56] If you had a really big break, we've had one on Bander a couple of years ago, that was 1.2

[2:40:02] mill.

[2:40:03] You don't have the money to be able to cut, we would have to take money from your general

[2:40:08] funding in order to cover that cost.

[2:40:10] So I get that, you see the 1.4, we'll have a conversation about that, and so I wanted

[2:40:16] to point it out so you're not thinking we forgot or we didn't do something, but I really

[2:40:22] want to drill down onto what these improvements actually are.

[2:40:28] And so you're not just budgeting 500,000 for no reason, it will be tied to a specific project

[2:40:35] is the goal, which you've never done in your enterprise fund before.

[2:40:39] So I'm trying to get there, it's just with Melinda Levy,

[2:40:42] and that was a goal that we were trying to get to,

[2:40:44] and so it's just taking me a little bit of time to do that with you all.

[2:40:49] You're okay, if you all prove this budget, you're okay in your enterprise fund,

[2:40:53] except you have to figure out your stormwater.

[2:40:55] So if you prove the budget as is, right now you'd be fine,

[2:40:59] we'll reflect the grant, but you'll be okay.

[2:41:01] My concern is more on your stormwater piece,

[2:41:04] and so we need to figure out what that's going to look like and we can have that conversation

[2:41:07] on Saturday.

[2:41:08] But I wanted to make those points to you that, you know, we're working on this budget.

[2:41:14] I want it to almost look like you're current control budget by itself, kind of breaking it

[2:41:18] down with very detailed projects and what that looks like in real cost because we know

[2:41:23] $500,000 is going to pay for very much.

[2:41:26] I know we're budgeting 140 for the water rights and I thought that's what we have budgeted

[2:41:30] every year before, and I was just curious why did it come in at 188, 738.

[2:41:37] So last year we did a budget adjustment.

[2:41:40] And so it just came in, that's what it came in higher.

[2:41:43] Okay, got you.

[2:41:44] So you all budget 140, so we just don't have a problem.

[2:41:47] So we'll budget adjustments.

[2:41:48] Yeah, so if you, the way you run your enterprise fund is budget adjustment heavy, which

[2:41:54] is not something I am comfortable with, you've done it that way forever and ever, I have

[2:41:59] been focused the last five years in getting your general fund and your crime, like the red

[2:42:04] light camera, all of those other funds in my opinion were done with a whole lot of faith.

[2:42:10] We're all done like this. I call it faith, like there's no detail, there's not a whole lot of

[2:42:16] explanation and to over the last five years, I've essentially kind of gone to zero-based,

[2:42:22] without zero-based budget, but going back to zero-based budgeting and trying to break down and get

[2:42:26] of all the what I call excess fat in all your accounts. So if you go back and you take a look at all

[2:42:31] your contractional professional services over the last five years, you could see where we've

[2:42:37] continuously gone down in the majority of our accounts with little to no increases because we call it

[2:42:44] trimming the fat off of those accounts because we basically have broken down to detail. I've really

[2:42:49] focused on those accounts. This year was my big focus was getting your crime control section

[2:42:54] and then Carol has worked on that.

[2:42:56] We're going to drill down your enterprise fund

[2:42:58] a little bit more as we move through this budget cycle.

[2:43:01] But next year, I'm hoping for y'all

[2:43:03] to see a completely different enterprise fund budget.

[2:43:05] So that's what we're looking at.

[2:43:09] So I'm just, thank you.

[2:43:11] So I just wanted to explain that to you and all of the things.

[2:43:16] OK, so moving on to your red light camera fund.

[2:43:19] So first thing that comes up is your revenues.

[2:43:23] We are tracking a little bit better than we were last year, so I do have a little bit of an

[2:43:30] increase there.

[2:43:31] We'll kind of see how we're going throughout the year.

[2:43:33] That was my question when I saw that is why did we go up when our tickets and what Charles

[2:43:41] been given us between what we've issued and what's been paid has been down.

[2:43:45] So why would we not?

[2:43:46] For this fiscal year has not.

[2:43:48] So if you pull up the last, so you'll see in the next month's finance, even last year's financials, pull it up, you're tracking higher and you're last monthly financials for your red light camera.

[2:43:59] So that's just the trend.

[2:44:02] So again, as we move through the year, if I start seeing a decrease, I'll decrease that dollar amount.

[2:44:11] And so your ending fun balance in your red light camera is sitting at 498,000.

[2:44:21] These are your personnel.

[2:44:22] So you're going to look at your personnel and you're saying, well, where are the two people?

[2:44:25] Why aren't we?

[2:44:26] I thought you moved them into the general fund that you had your red light camera broken up

[2:44:30] into two funds.

[2:44:31] Your red light camera and your traffic safety fund.

[2:44:34] And so we just eliminated your traffic safety fund that was funded by your red light

[2:44:38] cameras and took those two police officers and moved them over.

[2:44:43] So, so you'll see that there's an increase and you're going to, you know, so I wanted to clarify that it's your traffic safety officers tracking with me.

[2:44:54] Yeah, okay, we had four.

[2:44:58] You had eight.

[2:44:59] Yeah, total eight.

[2:45:00] Any red light camera? Go ahead. Two, that process. Well, two, you have paid total personnel sitting in, you actually have 10 full time people in your red light camera, technically, because you have two court personnel that are paid 100% out of your red light camera that you're also going to have to figure out. But from a police officer standpoint, you had eight taken two out and moved them to general fund, you were down to six officers.

[2:45:27] When we get to the percentage, I will go over what that looks like for y'all, but for

[2:45:32] right now, you had eight.

[2:45:35] Two of them, as part of your red light camera, lived in what was called a traffic safety component,

[2:45:42] just for bud, just to make it look clean.

[2:45:45] I just took the two from your traffic safety, those two, and put them in your general fund.

[2:45:50] But they are funded a hundred percent out of your red light camera.

[2:45:53] So you had eight, we took two, and so that one.

[2:45:56] So you're not seeing the traffic safety fund anymore, you're just seeing the red light camera.

[2:46:01] Was that that tier 2?

[2:46:03] Yes, it's tier 1 and tier 2 and all that.

[2:46:05] But that was taking that out.

[2:46:06] Correct.

[2:46:07] It was just the easier component.

[2:46:09] You still have traffic stuff because it's an operating traffic stuff, but you don't have

[2:46:13] personnel taking those two patrol and move them over into your general fund.

[2:46:20] So we've taken two from red light camera, moved it over to your general fund.

[2:46:23] I took two of your code and moved them into your EDCD fund.

[2:46:27] Tracking?

[2:46:29] OK, OK.

[2:46:30] So that's how this looks.

[2:46:33] This is just the breakdown.

[2:46:37] This is your traffic safety seat, no personnel.

[2:46:42] Those are the two people that got shipped out.

[2:46:47] This is the breakdown of your red light camera fun,

[2:46:55] 68,000 for patrol vehicle and that's kind of all we have coming out of your

[2:47:02] reserve fund and I'm kind of watching that a little bit because we I'm worried

[2:47:09] that if you don't make it by 2037 to cover everybody it could buy you a year or

[2:47:14] two if you needed to do that or if you if this year you don't like say I'm wrong

[2:47:20] and you don't have an increase you'll be able to use what's remaining in the

[2:47:23] to cover that offset. You had to do it last year. This year you're tracking better, and so I'm

[2:47:32] just seeing a little bit of an increase, so we're trending that way, so I'm going to leave it

[2:47:40] that way, but as we move through the year, if I start seeing the dip, then I'll make the set adjustment.

[2:47:46] And then you ready when over your crime control, so I'm not going to really go through that too much,

[2:47:50] But you do have 73,000 for your vehicle, the other 50 further flock, and then the other 100,000 for your property room.

[2:47:58] Your community center fund, operating revenue is 100, your expenditures is 100,

[2:48:04] this is your hotel motel tax, a little bit of your personnel, some supplies and contractual.

[2:48:11] We do I think have enough money to do your restrooms if you want to finally do that in your conference center.

[2:48:17] It will leave you with the ending from balance of 182, which is not great, but it's also not horrible either.

[2:48:24] I'm sorry.

[2:48:27] I thought you were going to move the 85, too.

[2:48:31] No.

[2:48:31] You're rental fees.

[2:48:32] This rental fee here?

[2:48:33] See how zero?

[2:48:35] Oh, okay.

[2:48:35] It's not the hotel motel.

[2:48:37] I can't.

[2:48:38] Your hotel motel tax.

[2:48:39] I see a law.

[2:48:40] I see a law.

[2:48:41] I see a law.

[2:48:45] the convention and then the rental fees is short-term rental and no. Your rental fees is how much

[2:48:51] you are at 30 degrees in your subred center. Yeah, our centers, that's right. So when you went

[2:48:55] them out for weddings, we took that money and we moved it over your new DDC in order to support the

[2:49:01] move. I thought I saw a short-term rental in your revenue side of things because when Mr. Martinez

[2:49:07] was here, he wanted to break down your hotel motel. Okay, I thought I'd say so. So that's part of your

[2:49:12] Holds home, also tax when you see your monthly financials,

[2:49:15] you break down your whole total tax to show.

[2:49:18] So in that 85,000, there's a portion of that,

[2:49:20] that's short term, okay, catch it.

[2:49:22] But that's also kind of going down a little bit too.

[2:49:25] But we do for your capital have the 160,000 sitting over there

[2:49:33] for the restrooms.

[2:49:34] And again, you would leave yourself with an Indian fund balance

[2:49:38] of 182, that 182, I mean, if you had something

[2:49:41] go wrong with your roof or an AC go out like that's a little low a little more than what

[2:49:47] I'm comfortable with but you also don't have anything major from an infrastructure standpoint

[2:49:54] over there right now so it may be a good time to do the restrooms your street maintenance

[2:50:04] fund again we're zeroing out this is the other one again that I want to tie to specific projects

[2:50:09] And so we always zero this account out.

[2:50:12] It's all your street maintenance.

[2:50:13] You can only use this money for street maintenance.

[2:50:15] And so we always attempt to do as many streets as we possibly can

[2:50:18] throughout the year.

[2:50:19] So we budget it all.

[2:50:21] I want to make, and this is the way you've always gotten your budget.

[2:50:24] I'm trying to give you more detail and tell you,

[2:50:27] this is exactly what we're going to do next year.

[2:50:29] Are these of the streets we want to do next year?

[2:50:32] And that will come with the plan later on.

[2:50:35] But we can't use that for the Lengthwood street, right?

[2:50:38] because that's a recap structure, it's all right.

[2:50:42] These are just your special revenue funds.

[2:50:45] The big one, and so I'm going to put my caveat in.

[2:50:47] I'm looking for a school crossing guard.

[2:50:50] So we have been unable to fulfill a school crossing guard position.

[2:50:53] And so you're seeing that kind of ending from moments,

[2:50:56] go up a little bit.

[2:50:57] So if you know anybody that would like to be a school crossing guard,

[2:51:00] please have them reach out to Lisa Hernandez on herself.

[2:51:03] Humanistical court technology, this will go down.

[2:51:06] We use this for your ticket writers.

[2:51:08] I haven't touched this one because we're getting ready to transfer over to trusted driver, and so there may be a little bit an overlap.

[2:51:17] From the ticket writer model to cell phone.

[2:51:22] And so I don't want to touch it, and you can touch it probably next year.

[2:51:25] I just want to make sure we're fully transferred over and what that looks like.

[2:51:29] And then your debt service and your police for for your fund.

[2:51:34] You're personnel, so I just want to, I know I put in here market rates and somebody asked me,

[2:51:39] it's not market rates.

[2:51:40] Y'all adopted a salary scale last year and so all it does is taking the employee that's been

[2:51:45] here a year, they go up 2% for year 2% for year 3 and so somebody that's been here 10 years.

[2:51:51] So I have a total of 14 people that would not be considered for a market adjustment because

[2:51:58] either maxed out or on probation. So you have roughly out of the 118 or 118, 10 employees,

[2:52:06] you'll have 14 that don't qualify to move up a step because they've maxed out on their

[2:52:12] system. Now, I also, as part of the conversation, we have 2% cola programmed in on top of the

[2:52:20] 2% adjustment. So as part of the 610 deficit, we need to have a conversation of whether or not

[2:52:25] you all want to do a cost of living.

[2:52:27] Your CPI's running, so you don't have it here.

[2:52:31] Listed, or is that part, it's just a market.

[2:52:34] So, so 4% then.

[2:52:35] So, not, but not for everybody, but not for everybody,

[2:52:38] but possibly 4% okay, I catch you.

[2:52:41] And so, and then I have your directors

[2:52:43] and we'll have that conversation of what that looks like.

[2:52:45] We don't do market, we don't do coales or they're not

[2:52:49] on the salary scale, they're handled separately,

[2:52:51] they're based on their position.

[2:52:52] And so we'll go over those on Saturday,

[2:52:53] have that for y'all. Your longevity pay, I sent y'all that policy, it depends on how long you've been

[2:52:59] here and what you qualify for and it's a dollar amount for every month of service that you've

[2:53:04] been with the city. We are required by law to pay longevity for your police and fire, but we've always

[2:53:10] included all the employees as far as longevity, that's a way to reward your long-term employees

[2:53:14] for being here and we do pay it out in November and that's just a traditional thing. We start it

[2:53:23] And so it started off as that and it was one check and it was done before the Friday before Thanksgiving.

[2:53:32] And so it's been that way for as long as I've been here so we just continue in that method.

[2:53:39] The other thing that's programmed in that $610,000 deficit is a 15% increase in your health insurance.

[2:53:46] That is a substantial portion of your chunk.

[2:53:52] But I don't know what the health insurance looks like.

[2:53:55] So these are a lot of the unknowns.

[2:53:57] I do have a 1% program to infer your TMS as well.

[2:54:01] We don't know what that looks like as well as 8%

[2:54:04] 8% or 9% for your workers' comp is also seen in it.

[2:54:07] These are unknown factors.

[2:54:09] So we budget based on utilization and what your health insurance

[2:54:13] is looking like where I think you'll be.

[2:54:16] Health insurance has been a little bit trickier

[2:54:18] over the last couple of years, what was our increase last year?

[2:54:25] Us, it came down.

[2:54:27] One of the things was 13, 13.

[2:54:29] We had to switch to, it was going to be 24 or something.

[2:54:32] We switched to United and I think it was like 13 per say.

[2:54:37] You're looking okay as far as your utilization goes.

[2:54:42] So, it's just kind of the cost of health care in general.

[2:54:46] Everybody's facing the same problem.

[2:54:48] All cities are, and so as far as like the cost of living,

[2:54:54] goes the CPI's hitting close to four percent.

[2:54:56] So some cities are budgeting four.

[2:54:59] I'm looking at it as it, like you have a salary scale,

[2:55:01] so that's two percent, and then two percent on cost of living.

[2:55:05] So then you would be looking at four in some cases.

[2:55:09] But again, that's a conversation that we need to have

[2:55:12] as a body and as we kind of move through what that looks like.

[2:55:15] Yes, Councillor Compas.

[2:55:18] To, is there a way you can put a dollar amount for us?

[2:55:21] I have that for you.

[2:55:23] I'm just not going to put it here, but I have it for you.

[2:55:24] Okay.

[2:55:25] Yeah.

[2:55:25] The great.

[2:55:26] Because that way you understand what the 15% equates to in total dollars.

[2:55:32] Yeah.

[2:55:33] I have it for you.

[2:55:34] Thank you.

[2:55:35] And we don't get that number till what end of August or mid August.

[2:55:39] Yeah.

[2:55:40] So I'm working, I'm not.

[2:55:42] But Lisa's working with Matt and

[2:55:44] trying to really drill down what that's going to look like.

[2:55:48] We have a lot of variations, right?

[2:55:51] So if we keep the health insurance,

[2:55:52] I can increase the deductible.

[2:55:54] Like, there's stuff you can do in order to keep them

[2:55:56] around. I'm trying really hard to make sure your benefits

[2:55:59] and your salaries and your staffing levels match what you need.

[2:56:04] If you start cutting on the benefit side of things,

[2:56:07] then we can't recruit or you're recruiting

[2:56:12] not the type of individuals that you want serving your city, and so I try really hard to

[2:56:18] be competitive. You're no longer, you're singing one up to 70,000 for patrol. You're

[2:56:22] sitting at 60. You know, so you're not going to be able to compete at that level, but I'm

[2:56:29] hoping with the salary scale and the anticipation that you eventually get there will help,

[2:56:36] And that the reason that I'm asking for the 2% cola is because the 2% cola impacts your salary scale by 2%.

[2:56:44] And so it keeps you moving up and not stagnant and everybody else is kind of going in that direction.

[2:56:52] So it's just kind of a way to keep your salaries trending where everybody else is.

[2:56:58] I lost two patrol, one to Seguine, and one to another city, and I can't pay with their pain.

[2:57:06] Right.

[2:57:06] But we'd still still be in the middle of the...

[2:57:08] You're in the middle of the...

[2:57:11] You're a little below the middle.

[2:57:13] But with the 2% you'll be back in the middle.

[2:57:16] So it's just kind of what you want to do.

[2:57:17] Right.

[2:57:18] And so I'm trying to make sure you don't go back to the way you were in 2010, where you had no increases.

[2:57:24] We couldn't feel any position. It was a mess. So I don't want you to fall back into that because it took us a long time to get a few years to kind of get out of that

[2:57:36] You're you're pretty fully staffed. I think I'm short one position in public warx one position in PD

[2:57:41] We've our turnover has been quicker with the increase from last year and so I'm trying to keep it that way

[2:57:49] Versus being four five short. So some of these changes have been for the good

[2:57:54] I understand, though, that personnel continues to go up, and so at some point you're going

[2:58:00] to have to have a hard conversation of positions and what you really need and what that really looks like.

[2:58:08] But in order to be competitive and in order to provide your citizens with the quality of service,

[2:58:12] like cut a code enforcement officer, we already get complaints that we're not doing the code stuff,

[2:58:17] and so what does that look like?

[2:58:18] But do you need to, it's a conversation you can, you can have internally, it may not be a next year conversation, but it is a forthcoming conversation.

[2:58:29] So, these are the sadder split, I know it's kind of hard to read, but you can kind of see where everybody is at.

[2:58:35] You can see the majority of people are paid out of your general phone, but when we're talking about red light cameras, red light cameras is this line item.

[2:58:40] These are your two court personnel that are paid at a hundred percent under your red light cameras as well

[2:58:46] And then these are some percentages that are also paid there

[2:58:49] So as we are moving through moving personnel out of your red light cameras

[2:58:54] You have between now and 2037, which is 10 years to move these people that you're going to continue to need over into your general fund

[2:59:04] Your rest of your red light camera put at least personnel your mayor when you were getting at like two

[2:59:11] We won't need them if we don't fund the program that is correct.

[2:59:15] So when you hit 20, that you can save those two positions,

[2:59:18] total 20, 30.

[2:59:19] So you don't even need to have a conversation about them total 23, 7.

[2:59:22] So you can eventually move everybody over the next 10 years

[2:59:26] and keep those two lingering over there

[2:59:29] because they will be absorbed in the abolishment

[2:59:34] of the red light cameras.

[2:59:37] And then our holidays for the winter holidays, or Christmas holidays, we close with Christmas Eve and then we'll return Monday January 4th and then some next steps will have a public hearing on the 25th and your tax rate hopefully by September 8th.

[2:59:57] We also have your budget, it won't be...

[3:00:05] So, after the retreat, unless you want to see something very specific, I will condense your budget presentation, but we will continue to have the conversation, so citizens can continue to come in and have a conversation at every council meeting between now and these said dates.

[3:00:26] Thank you very much. I really appreciate Crystal and like I said, all of the department heads in Carol for putting together this budget. I know it's a labor of love, but it's also quite complicated, especially since y'all changed it this year. So to try to communicate it in a different way. So thank you for that. I think it's all good. Anything else for the good of the cause? Okay. All right. Thank you. No, it was 622 to 825.

[3:00:54] That's okay. All right, but thank y'all very much really appreciate it. Okay, so some announcements I know we need to to move on is the

[3:01:02] staff now excused Crystal. Yes, okay. Yeah, thank y'all very much for staying really appreciate it. It's sweet

[3:01:11] didn't have enough

[3:01:13] If we had any and okay, so announcements as mentioned in the city managers report, but I just wanted to reiterate that this is our last city council meeting until

[3:01:24] July 21st, due to our summer break, but I just want to reiterate to the citizens that we are

[3:01:30] still going to be working.

[3:01:33] We have a grand opening on this Friday for Sapphire Radiance, Seneca, Plastic, 6 p.m.

[3:01:40] And then we are going to have our annual Council retreat on Saturday.

[3:01:45] It's usually the last, most of the day.

[3:01:48] And then on June 10th, I'm not sure how many of us will go to the tour of the dispatch at

[3:01:53] I'm one facility at 1604 in Chavano Park, and then at 6 o'clock on that same night, we'll

[3:02:02] meet again here to review the permitted tables to everybody get that on your calendars,

[3:02:08] want to be sure.

[3:02:09] And then also we got word from the historical site that they'd like to reconvene and meet and

[3:02:16] they've given us some time.

[3:02:17] And so if you'll please bring your calendars on Saturday,

[3:02:23] let's give them two dates between, I think, it's about 30 days that they gave us

[3:02:27] June, June something to July something, I can't don't have those dates in front of me,

[3:02:32] but if you'll bring your calendar, so we could try to give them some dates.

[3:02:37] Yes.

[3:02:39] On the 10th for the permitted use tables.

[3:02:44] Yeah, some of us are, is that one o'clock here, some meet one o'clock also 1230 here, and then we'll do the tour, and then it'll be six o'clock back here for the permitted use tables. Yeah. So, and again, you know, any and all of us are ready, we'll in an L able to address any needs or concerns you have during that time.

[3:03:10] just want you to know that, and of course the staff will be working on the budget during that time as well.

[3:03:16] So then we have the July 4th celebration, the Historical Society's Walk runs at 730 on July 4th, and then 930 to 1230 we have the festivities at the Community Center that are free.

[3:03:29] And then I made a note that city halls closed on that Monday 4 July 4th, which I just happened to note.

[3:03:39] And one last thing is that I was able to meet because Councillor

[3:03:48] Bolton was not able to meet today at the Historical Society, meeting with the Texas Historical Commission, the Board asked me to meet with them, so we met with Brian McAlley and Stephen Cure, and it was a really good meeting, and I'm sure they'll review it more formally when we get together.

[3:04:08] But they

[3:04:13] talked about public private partnerships as being a really good way of going, you know, with the city, the, the, the, the historical society, the county, the school district, you know, you bring everybody together.

[3:04:26] But the bottom line is that you got to raise money for the renovation, and they don't actually, they have money for planning grants. This is the Texas Historical Commission.

[3:04:35] But once you get your funding established, then they come in after that to help you run the program.

[3:04:44] And anyway, but there is another option and that is where you have your state senator and state representative put a bill in for renovation of the historical building.

[3:05:00] But it's not guaranteed funding at all.

[3:05:05] And they also talked about, they have a lot of these kind of.

[3:05:09] They have 40, I think it was 45 sites across the state that they are responsible for.

[3:05:17] But, house like this, it's, they're looking for uniqueness.

[3:05:21] And so there is a little bit unique in that we have the house and then you have the graveyard,

[3:05:25] gravesite with the natural area, that's pretty unique.

[3:05:28] So, anyway, it was a nice discussion, but I will defer to the Historical Society to present

[3:05:35] a fuller county in what happened today, but anyway, I appreciate it getting in, being

[3:05:41] asking.

[3:05:42] And thank you.

[3:05:43] So, anyway, I know there's a lot of other comments from the go-hats, Mr. Arroyo.

[3:05:50] I want to publicly congratulate my Argrance son for graduating this Saturday, and I know

[3:05:57] There's 1,000 kids that are graduating, so what makes it so special is that hopefully San

[3:06:04] Tonya will benefit from this talent.

[3:06:06] He got a scholarship to the University of the Lake University for a baseball scholarship

[3:06:13] of hopefully that will kind of benefit San Antonio with this talent and congratulations to Jackson

[3:06:19] on too, and also go spurs go.

[3:06:23] I know, isn't that exciting?

[3:06:26] Okay, anyone else?

[3:06:27] Yes, Councillor Combs.

[3:06:29] Well, I want to extend some congratulations

[3:06:32] to one of our staff members, Mr. Brian Garcia.

[3:06:37] He recently received from the TCEQ, a class C Groundwater

[3:06:42] Treatment Operators License.

[3:06:44] That's quite an accomplishment.

[3:06:45] So please extend that David congratulations for him.

[3:06:51] I do want to point out that this Friday, June 5th, that the fire department's going to have

[3:06:58] a fundraiser for the library where you'll be able to dump the fire chief to raise funds

[3:07:06] for the library.

[3:07:08] Where's that going to be at?

[3:07:13] This in the morning?

[3:07:16] And the police also fill up, say again, the police chief also.

[3:07:20] Yeah.

[3:07:24] His ammunition will get wet.

[3:07:27] So we don't dump the fire, the police chief.

[3:07:30] Is this in one of those donkey machines?

[3:07:34] Okay.

[3:07:35] And then I like that.

[3:07:35] Where you go, chief?

[3:07:36] You know, I want to point out, then I know I do this every time we have a meeting.

[3:07:42] Point out that the library has extensive programs.

[3:07:45] in from now to the end of June, they're 31 separate programs that are going to happen at the library.

[3:07:55] And I do, I know we said this in our comments, but Regina has done an outstanding job.

[3:08:01] Just as our staff, I don't want to minimize all the other efforts of our staff, but she's got six

[3:08:07] grant applications in in play right now. I think one is funded. I think we said last

[3:08:15] last time that one was funded. So that's off to her. And so that's all I think.

[3:08:21] Thank you. Did it. Yes. Councillor Bolton. Well, I would like to shout out to the John Marshall

[3:08:27] Rams that graduated on Sunday. My daughter, Cadley Bolton, included. It was a really

[3:08:33] wonderful ceremony. Good. Great. Well, congratulations. All right. Yes.

[3:08:43] Councillor

[3:08:43] activity by our officers recently, then I've seen in a long time in terms of traffic stops,

[3:08:52] just patrolling the neighborhoods, they just seem to be much more visible than they were

[3:08:57] for quite a while.

[3:08:58] So I really appreciate that.

[3:09:00] I just wanted to add one thing now that you said that my neighbor came over about, it was

[3:09:06] between the last city council meeting in the tonight, but anyway his son had an asthma

[3:09:11] attack, 11 o'clock in the morning, in the evening, and I mean he could not say enough good

[3:09:16] things about the fire department who helped him, and so he made sure he told me about it

[3:09:23] because he was very proud of him. So thank you, his son's doing well now, but 11 o'clock

[3:09:28] at night, and my husband heard the, you know, the sirens, but, you know, we didn't go over

[3:09:37] I'm sorry, I have the note was too small, but I also want to congratulate mom here

[3:09:47] Felicity Caldera who graduated recently.

[3:09:52] That's right.

[3:09:54] The way to St. Mary's University.

[3:09:57] Right.

[3:09:57] Much luck and success for her in the future.

[3:10:01] They win the baseball game.

[3:10:04] Never mind.

[3:10:09] I guess I also wanted to add, and I don't know, I think it's the police department, but

[3:10:14] I'll also throw code enforcement in there.

[3:10:17] I have seen more dead cars get taken off the street in my neighborhood alone in the last

[3:10:23] three days, then I've seen moved in a long time.

[3:10:26] There's orange stickers on cars all over the place.

[3:10:30] way to go chief, I appreciate that so much.

[3:10:33] Okay. All right. Yes, until we get complaints. Yeah. Exactly. Okay, Dr. Carl, there

[3:10:39] are a your report, please. I think I've spoken enough for this evening. Okay. So I have nothing

[3:10:45] to add. All right. You know, do you the City Manager's for it? It's outside and online very

[3:10:48] good. Thank you. Consentage on the 6.136.3. Anyone want to pull anything? Or may we have a

[3:10:55] at a second.

[3:10:58] We have a motion by Councillor Roscoe and a second by Councillor Combo's to approve

[3:11:02] consent agenda 6.1 through 6.3.

[3:11:06] Any further discussion?

[3:11:08] All those in favor say aye.

[3:11:09] Any opposed?

[3:11:10] The motion does carry.

[3:11:11] Thank you.

[3:11:12] Then moving to the regular agenda.

[3:11:15] Agenda item 7.1.

[3:11:17] Precentation, discussion, and possible action to consider approval of a petition for

[3:11:22] preliminary acceptance of John Marshall Drive Extension,

[3:11:26] Lot 19, and Block A, Lot 23, and Block C John Marshall High School Subdivision

[3:11:32] located at 8,000 Lobo Lane, and we have our planning and zoning director,

[3:11:38] Michael Gaiardo here this evening to present.

[3:11:41] Good evening. Welcome.

[3:11:42] We're glad you're here. Thank you.

[3:11:45] Would you just jump right in?

[3:11:46] Yes.

[3:11:47] So, question before city council is whether or not to approve the

[3:11:51] for preliminary acceptance of the John Marshall Drive Extension at Marshall High School.

[3:11:58] So your options are to approve tonight or other.

[3:12:02] Step to clear, all public improvements were installed according to code.

[3:12:09] So this is basically an administrative item that comply with Chapter 17,

[3:12:12] our subdivision code. On November 19, 2025,

[3:12:17] the planning and zoning commission approved the replad of Marshall High School.

[3:12:21] It's subdivision, including the construction of the new John Marshall Drive extension and in that, and with regards to that, we abandoned Robin Road on May 15th, 2026 the city engineer performed a final inspection, so they did a punch list item and the inspection of the public improvements and found

[3:12:46] to be satisfactorily constructed according to pertinent codes. So basically they passed.

[3:12:53] Okay. So as a result of that, the owner is now petitioning the city to accept the John Marshall

[3:12:59] drive extension on a preliminary basis. So the applicant has posted a maintenance bond in the

[3:13:07] amount of $54,169.80 which is 10% of actual costs to guarantee compliance with the one-year

[3:13:17] corrections of deficiencies after one year to be performed by the owner prior to final acceptance by city council.

[3:13:24] So essentially what will happen is that we'll sit on this for a year and then they'll come back for final acceptance for city council.

[3:13:31] But in between that, there's any deficiencies they'll be responsible for fixing that.

[3:13:39] Recommendations, statins, and sitting in the engineer recommend the approval of the petition for preliminary acceptance for John Marford,

[3:13:50] Okay, is there an issue with access to the residents and money rubles?

[3:13:57] Well, they are going to be doing construction, but they have submitted a traffic control plan.

[3:14:03] So there is going to be access.

[3:14:05] Okay, so there.

[3:14:06] But it will be extended throughout summer.

[3:14:08] So they are doing construction.

[3:14:10] So what they're doing now is since they fixed on Marshall Drive,

[3:14:14] it extends from echoed into global length, but they are going to use alternate routes right now

[3:14:21] because they are going to do construction in that whole area between John Marshall Drive and

[3:14:29] not Robin Road, but Bluebird, Bluebird, Bluebird, they're constructing the parking lot.

[3:14:37] Okay, now, is...

[3:14:38] What's in the access?

[3:14:42] Uh...

[3:14:46] Um...

[3:14:46] Okay, that was the concern.

[3:14:50] Sure.

[3:14:51] We understand that.

[3:14:52] But they're still going to be able to get in, but it'll be a D'sure.

[3:14:56] Now, the light is that bluebird, right?

[3:14:59] Isn't that right?

[3:15:00] That's the very last. John Marshal has a light. No, but they'll have the light on him's over. That's what I'm asking. It used to be way over there on the very far. They're going to move it over to John Marshal. That's what I thought. Okay. And then the timeline for complete completion is a year.

[3:15:20] That when is it because I know that people in Lincoln were asking me when I was black walking. When is John Marshal going to get done?

[3:15:27] I know.

[3:15:33] And at the summer.

[3:15:35] Okay.

[3:15:37] Okay.

[3:15:39] All right.

[3:15:39] Very good.

[3:15:40] Somebody.

[3:15:42] Bolton.

[3:15:44] I just have a question about the map.

[3:15:46] Can you go back to it?

[3:15:48] This is the old how it used to be.

[3:15:51] Do you have a picture of what it's going to look like when it's done?

[3:15:56] Of what I just for other people to see.

[3:16:00] Okay, I was just worried about other people, not myself.

[3:16:03] Okay, so the reason that it's like this is because you're not talking about the plan.

[3:16:09] You're talking about rededicating.

[3:16:12] You're going to ask me.

[3:16:14] I can send that to you.

[3:16:16] So in the original PowerPoint presentation, when we talked about the whole project and moving the streets

[3:16:21] and what that's going to look like, that was part of that presentation.

[3:16:23] This is just the rededicating of the roadway.

[3:16:26] Okay. That's why that. But if you want that PowerPoint presentation, I can send that to y'all. Okay. So.

[3:16:33] Yeah.

[3:16:37] This whole reconfiguration would be done at the end of the summer. And then the whole project is 2028 roughly.

[3:16:45] I mean, they have the time line. And I think John has other phases as far as like internally, but the whole parking lot street thing.

[3:16:53] They were hoping to get done before the new school year, but they're much like us.

[3:16:58] I'm not going to Gary whether related.

[3:17:00] I mean, it looks like it's going to be a rainy summer.

[3:17:03] There's so many factors. I'm not guaranteeing anything.

[3:17:07] But this particular item isn't dealing with the project.

[3:17:09] This was just re-dedicating the street. That's all we're talking about here.

[3:17:14] And so y'all recommend to approval.

[3:17:16] Okay. Yes. Councillor Compos.

[3:17:18] So I went by there today because I wanted to see what condition is it in.

[3:17:24] Well, it's hard to see it unless you're, you're, because you're detoured, right?

[3:17:30] And so I did see that it was in a good shape and I'm in support of it.

[3:17:34] So I'd like to make the motion that we accept this item is present.

[3:17:38] Okay.

[3:17:39] All right.

[3:17:41] We have a motion by Councillor Combo's in a second by Councillor Huyel

[3:17:45] to accept 7.1 as presented regarding the John Marshall extension, any further comment?

[3:17:56] All those in favour say aye.

[3:17:58] Any opposed?

[3:17:59] The motion desk carry.

[3:18:00] Thank you, Mr. Gallardo.

[3:18:01] I do appreciate.

[3:18:02] Okay, and you're up for the next one, so let me read agenda 7.2.

[3:18:08] Presentation, discussion, and a public hearing and possible action on an ordinance to amend

[3:18:14] ordinance 2025-8 to change the zoning from PD plan development district with R3 multiple family

[3:18:23] dwelling based zoning district to PD plan development district with R6 garden house based

[3:18:31] zoning district on approximately 6.8 acre of land located at 6612 and 6618 saw your road and

[3:18:41] specifically described as Northwest 330 foot of Lott's 10, 11, 12, 13, and the Northeast

[3:18:49] 20 foot triangle of Lott's 10, and the Southwest 400 foot of Lott's 3, CB 58, 74, and the

[3:18:57] first read was held on May 5, 20, 26, and Mr. Guyard, our planning and zoning director is here

[3:19:05] to continue the discussion. Thank you and welcome.

[3:19:09] So basically city councils,

[3:19:12] Mending ordinance 2025-8,

[3:19:16] supplant development district with

[3:19:18] our three multi-family dwelling district to PD

[3:19:21] with our six garden house district.

[3:19:25] So we're requesting variances from section 15.0312,

[3:19:29] which is our zoning.

[3:19:31] So we're looking at our six garden house district.

[3:19:34] The applicant, this is something

[3:19:36] that we need to take note of.

[3:19:38] The applicant is requesting to keep

[3:19:40] as a original R3 status with a proof plan

[3:19:43] and add this R6 use with the approved plan.

[3:19:47] So that's what is actually seeking.

[3:19:50] We're also requesting references from chapter 10,

[3:19:54] which is our subdivision regulation,

[3:19:56] particularly 10.02.251, applicable standards

[3:20:01] and specifications.

[3:20:02] Lastly, we're requesting variances from chapter 13, our free preservation chapter, specifically

[3:20:10] section 13.02, 0.0, 8.0, heritage, heritage, free removal.

[3:20:21] Okay, so we have the definition here for our planned development district.

[3:20:24] Obviously, we're working towards flexible and creative planning, the goals, objectives, and

[3:20:30] maps of the city's comprehensive planning, including but not limited to the city's future

[3:20:35] land use plan, economic development is also incorporated into it, capability of land uses,

[3:20:42] innovative plan concepts.

[3:20:47] Let's jump into the variances.

[3:20:49] So, a lot of regulation.

[3:20:51] Minimum area of large size decreased from 4,500 to 2,350 square feet.

[3:20:57] Minimum lot depth reduced from 100 to 85 feet.

[3:21:02] Minimum floor space reduced from 1800 to 1,100 square feet.

[3:21:08] Minimum front, front edge reduced from 45 to 28 feet and then we reduced our setbacks, starting

[3:21:15] with the rear from 15 to 8 feet.

[3:21:18] Our front setback was going to be decreased from 20 to 18.

[3:21:23] Our side setbacks are going to be from 5 to 2 and a half or based on either side of the

[3:21:29] lot of KV0.

[3:21:30] Between buildings we went from 10 to 5 feet.

[3:21:35] Barvarences continued. Minor, a private street minimum right of way was reduced from 50 to 32 feet.

[3:21:43] Minor, a private street pavement with reduced from 30 to 22 feet. Corner lots, minimum width from 70 feet to 29 feet.

[3:21:54] Driveway access to a collector street. This is based on whether or not the buffers will be approved.

[3:21:59] Proposed to remove 13 heritage trees and pay a fee in lieu of 50,000.

[3:22:04] So we're now looking from going from 25,000 CAP to 50,000.

[3:22:12] So this is where the properties located.

[3:22:14] Here's your location map.

[3:22:17] Here's an aerial view.

[3:22:20] And so the surrounding zoning on the north side is B1, B2, and R1.

[3:22:26] On the west side it's R1, and R3.

[3:22:30] On the east side it's B1, B2, B3, and R1.

[3:22:34] On the south side it's R1, R3, B2, and B3.

[3:22:39] And then we have a map here with the colors in there so that you can better identify the zoning.

[3:22:49] So this is the original site plan. This is the one we started out to amend, right?

[3:22:54] So then he proposed a revised site plan, which is this is the one we saw.

[3:22:59] And then lastly, this is the last one that we saw here.

[3:23:02] So there's a couple of things that I want to point out real quick on this revised site plan.

[3:23:06] So the last time we brought this, he brought this to City Council.

[3:23:12] One of the first things was that there was a dedicated buffer there for 10 feet.

[3:23:16] Five was going to be dedicated by the city and five was going to be from the developer site.

[3:23:22] However, he's now abandoned that and he's going to provide that.

[3:23:26] The full 10 feet.

[3:23:29] There was also discussion about connecting POS to Sawyer Road through Chris Cross.

[3:23:35] and that we would be partly involved in

[3:23:38] dedicating that right away.

[3:23:40] So that's also been abandoned at this time.

[3:23:43] And obviously the developer was

[3:23:45] speaking a little bit more to that.

[3:23:49] Yes, excuse me, I'm sorry.

[3:23:51] Councillor Comfort, let's go ahead.

[3:23:53] Could you explain for me that on the curves?

[3:23:57] What is this?

[3:23:59] What is this red on these curved bottom roads me?

[3:24:03] So, what I believe the developer trying to do is point out where the corner lots are going to be smaller.

[3:24:12] And you know, let us speak to that but I also have information regarding that.

[3:24:16] But I believe that's what that's for because in between those is a parking name.

[3:24:26] It's a parking name.

[3:24:28] Well, it's actually a four parking.

[3:24:30] So, there's a parking link, so those two curves are on either side of the linear feet of the parking link, basically on either side of the parking link.

[3:24:41] So, those two red curves cap,

[3:24:46] but I think that that's going to demonstrate, you know, are the width of the corner lots, and so that's just there as a safety feature.

[3:24:54] But, again, I let the developer expand on that.

[3:25:00] So these are our conceptual designs, right?

[3:25:03] This is primarily when we might be able to see.

[3:25:07] So here are some of the staff comments, right?

[3:25:09] Proposed development will consist of approximately 72

[3:25:12] lots for garden house development.

[3:25:15] Property will need to be replied at a priority.

[3:25:17] Any development or construction.

[3:25:20] Staff recommends the applicant follow the code

[3:25:22] when it comes to true preservation and mitigation.

[3:25:26] Staff recommends that no residential R6 lots

[3:25:29] have dryway access, dryway access to a collector's street, regarding the, again, that's a

[3:25:36] safety issue, but again, if the buffer is allowed, then that will negate this.

[3:25:42] That also recommends to place a condition on the site plan that they can increase units more than

[3:25:50] 10% without counsel approval. And then, of course, internal roadways, let's meet all requirements

[3:25:56] for the firecoat.

[3:26:02] So again, this is kind of one of the main issues here

[3:26:06] unsafe, ingress egress on a collector's street.

[3:26:11] If the presented buffer isn't approved,

[3:26:17] we have a couple of notes here just from the city engineer.

[3:26:21] He's just asking them to verify the width.

[3:26:25] And cut out like a section, let us know

[3:26:27] what exactly is the true width.

[3:26:30] If that is going from 50 to 32, we're also asking for the PDD not to remove any of the

[3:26:40] language that has to do with the right way access to the collector's street.

[3:26:46] Okay, yeah.

[3:26:47] I'm confused on that.

[3:26:49] Is that so?

[3:26:49] Yes.

[3:26:50] Councillor.

[3:26:50] If I am understanding correctly, there's no need for that any longer because he is condensed

[3:27:01] his lots, so with that requested revision, just be removed.

[3:27:07] Are we talking about the buffer?

[3:27:09] The access driveway access to collector street.

[3:27:12] Correct.

[3:27:13] So have you approved the buffer of 10 feet that he's proposing?

[3:27:16] Then they can negate that.

[3:27:20] But it's just going to be included until we make a decision.

[3:27:23] Okay.

[3:27:24] And I just wanted to verify that adding the 10-foot buffer

[3:27:31] meets the same

[3:27:33] that we're looking for?

[3:27:36] I would be not.

[3:27:37] I'm saying.

[3:27:37] I mean, our coaches don't have any access to the collector street.

[3:27:42] So we add that, are we saying that that will meet the safety standard?

[3:27:47] I just want to be sure.

[3:27:51] I mean, so the engineer commented on that same request last time and he said that he thinks it would help mitigate.

[3:27:57] But we're never going to guarantee any access to anything ever to say it's 100%.

[3:28:01] You can pull out of your driveway on fourish way and get hit.

[3:28:04] I'm not going to hit you.

[3:28:05] Oh, I know.

[3:28:05] I take my life in my hands every time I, I can't help.

[3:28:08] So we're not going to say that.

[3:28:10] But it does provide an additional layer.

[3:28:12] I mean, it was also a good compromise, I think.

[3:28:14] Versus do you have anything?

[3:28:16] I just wanted to clarify that.

[3:28:17] Thank you.

[3:28:20] Yes, I'm sorry.

[3:28:21] Councilor March.

[3:28:22] So on the 10-foot buffers zone, will it be clearly separated

[3:28:27] from Sawyer Road by a curb or a retainer wall

[3:28:32] or something that will help prevent any accidental jump over the curb or whatever to get

[3:28:43] to soil.

[3:28:44] So that will come later on as we have the conversations about what that's going to look

[3:28:49] like.

[3:28:50] I'm not a big fan of retaining walls or pillars because people hit them and they can cause

[3:28:55] more damage than safety concerns.

[3:28:58] And so, I mean, is a conversation and we'll have a smear in the engineers on what that looks like.

[3:29:02] We just need to make sure that we have some dedicated right away to do something.

[3:29:07] That's because we're going to have a conversation of how they'll be able to back out one way only,

[3:29:10] because you can't go, you can't two people back out and try to go the opposite way.

[3:29:14] So we don't know exactly what that'll look like.

[3:29:17] It's just giving us the ability to work something out with that area.

[3:29:21] But will the council actually end up seeing what the visualization look like?

[3:29:24] No.

[3:29:26] Yeah.

[3:29:26] But I just like you don't vote on what the house looks like.

[3:29:30] Yeah, I understand.

[3:29:30] I just was curious because that's a safety concern.

[3:29:33] Yeah.

[3:29:33] The safety is that you're giving a ten foot,

[3:29:36] no parking and a ten foot easement outside of them coming out of their driveway.

[3:29:42] That's what y'all are.

[3:29:43] So yeah, I'm short to Dr. Klung at us point.

[3:29:46] It's to be determined.

[3:29:50] Thank you.

[3:29:54] Yes, Councillor.

[3:29:55] Can you go back to the previous slide?

[3:29:58] You didn't really talk about these engines.

[3:30:00] I'd like to hear a little more about them.

[3:30:03] Yeah, so basically the engineers recommended that they get rid of the parking lane and that will give them, you know,

[3:30:10] because there is 28 feet of accessibility there.

[3:30:13] So it's a recommendation to remove the parking lane and that will make people park on one side of the street only.

[3:30:21] The other thing is, he's just calling out whether it's, we're seeking clarity as a 28 feet with or 22.

[3:30:29] because it looks like there's some sections that are only 28 feet in width.

[3:30:35] So it's just basically asking for clarity.

[3:30:39] So we would just ask the applicant.

[3:30:43] Oh, he did.

[3:30:50] Oh, we have to respond to those.

[3:30:53] Yeah, so the commissioner provided to the developer.

[3:30:56] We didn't receive them.

[3:30:57] Okay.

[3:30:58] I see.

[3:30:58] So we don't know yet.

[3:31:00] Thank you.

[3:31:02] So then these, uh, next comments have to do with our corner lots, you know, there are going to be some lots that aren't going to have the full frontage.

[3:31:10] So the city engineers just, seeing clarity to see that, um,

[3:31:16] that these corner lots are giving drivers enough of a vision clearance.

[3:31:21] So he'll just have to justify that.

[3:31:23] And then the last one has to do with parking.

[3:31:26] He's stating that there's two off street parking spaces.

[3:31:29] We just want clarity as to whether that's for the entire project or per home.

[3:31:39] But these are going to be comments found in the fire chief.

[3:31:43] So basically highlighted hose runs would not be allowed due to firefighter safety and access.

[3:31:50] Access to backyard with fencing would not be feasible and the same for pulling hose through a detention pond area.

[3:31:57] So this is actually something that the developers are going to have to work out with a fire chief

[3:32:01] before they install any of their fire hydrants and treats and etc.

[3:32:08] Is there a possible solution?

[3:32:11] That's to be determined between him and the fire chief.

[3:32:15] I'm leaning towards there should be, but I mean, I can't speak on behalf of the fire chief.

[3:32:20] Wow, I mean, that's.

[3:32:21] And then we have three things to do.

[3:32:23] Now is because, you know, these are going to have to be approved later,

[3:32:27] so we're just in our fairness to the developer.

[3:32:29] We're going everything at them.

[3:32:30] So we're going to look everywhere.

[3:32:32] All right.

[3:32:34] A lot of concerns.

[3:32:35] OK, go ahead.

[3:32:37] So we're now at the TREA Metauri and mitigation plan.

[3:32:42] So again, it looks like he's going to be removing.

[3:32:47] I believe it's 14, it's 1,021 inches,

[3:32:52] and then he's going to replace 450, which leaves

[3:32:58] a mitigation fee, right?

[3:32:59] So, to his point, he's just capping the mitigation fee at 50,000 due to the constraints of the development.

[3:33:08] And, and Mr. Carter, what is the total mitigation fee?

[3:33:12] It, currently it stands at $97,100.

[3:33:15] $97,100.

[3:33:18] Thank you.

[3:33:21] So, that was something that was, you know, added, again, 25,000 before.

[3:33:26] And I will use the bump into the differential.

[3:33:28] Okay. Thank you.

[3:33:29] So the master plan, properties along for our road may be zone for residential uses, which is consistent with the proposed use of the PDD request as a garden house development.

[3:33:39] Remember, he's also going to keep a hard three as well.

[3:33:43] Request is consistent and compatible with the city's master plan.

[3:33:49] Again, we sent out 16 notifications and none of them came back either for or against.

[3:33:55] And surprisingly, they were all delivered.

[3:34:00] That recommends applicant revised site plan,

[3:34:02] so that dryways cannot access a collector street if buffer is not accepted.

[3:34:08] That recommends project to be held to not exceed an increase of 10% in change.

[3:34:15] If not, it needs to go before city council.

[3:34:17] That recommends that the code's free preservation and mitigation process be followed,

[3:34:21] and any variance requested about the goal.

[3:34:24] Previous of approval to be re-errified.

[3:34:28] We also recommend that the development address

[3:34:30] though the recommendations provided by the city

[3:34:33] and the area.

[3:34:35] Internal roadways must meet all requirements of the fire goal.

[3:34:41] Physical impact,

[3:34:42] all fees associated with the cement and quaves

[3:34:45] request have been paid.

[3:34:47] The development of a single family development

[3:34:49] will increase that valorment sales tax in the city.

[3:34:55] A few months ago, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval in a vote of five to two.

[3:35:05] So our goals are for environmental support, a cleaner health year, and more sustainable future for the young valley.

[3:35:12] By implementing a co-friendly initiative to conserve natural resources and reducing the city's environmental footprint.

[3:35:28] Councillor Merch.

[3:35:29] Can you go back to the point about the three ordinances and their, no, next one?

[3:35:36] Staff recommends that the code's tree preservation and mitigation process be followed in a variance requested.

[3:35:42] What exactly is that saying?

[3:35:45] Oh, so with the PDD, for example, he's saying that you see it in this presentation that he's allowed to cut everything down and then just pay the 50,000.

[3:35:55] To where our code says, you know, for each large tree that you cut, medium tree that you cut, you have to replace it with X amount of inches.

[3:36:05] Okay.

[3:36:05] That's just recommending that you follow the problem.

[3:36:09] Okay.

[3:36:09] Rather than setting an arbitrary cap or anything like that.

[3:36:25] All of the rules.

[3:36:27] All of the rules.

[3:36:28] We

[3:36:33] do our best for our business,

[3:36:42] but are you in the lives of hardship or from what we're doing with the process

[3:36:50] of dealing with the project?

[3:36:53] Who is it that you're dealing with?

[3:37:01] Who may not be able to do that?

[3:37:07] To have preventions, are not able to order exactly what it is possible to order or not?

[3:37:17] Thank you.

[3:37:19] Thank you.

[3:37:20] All right.

[3:37:21] Um, did you say that the applicant has another hour point, okay?

[3:37:27] So let's do that.

[3:37:28] We also need to have a public hearing, even though we don't have anybody here, but anyway,

[3:37:33] we'll still have it.

[3:37:34] All right, Mr. Shadi, you're next.

[3:37:36] Thank you and good evening.

[3:37:38] Good evening.

[3:37:39] It's always a pleasure following the budget discussion.

[3:37:43] So wonderful to be in front of you.

[3:37:45] I have just a few slides.

[3:37:48] and just wanted to first of all thank you for allowing us to consider this other option that we're

[3:37:58] looking at right now. I think it's looking pretty good for more and we would like to

[3:38:04] it's looking better and better and that is why we're spending the time and asking for your time

[3:38:10] for your consideration on this. So I know last time we were generally in agreement on a lot of things

[3:38:17] There were a couple of things that just needed to be AWS.

[3:38:20] So we needed to clean up our PDD, it was too cumbersome and too many options.

[3:38:28] So I would just address where we're at.

[3:38:32] I have, I'll show if we can launch there you go.

[3:38:34] Great, I'm going to steal the

[3:38:41] perfect.

[3:38:41] Thank you.

[3:38:42] All right, so this is perfect.

[3:38:46] All right, so,

[3:38:51] right now, there you go.

[3:38:54] So I wanted to address Council's comments first and basically what we heard was that we needed

[3:39:01] to clean up the PDD. There was preference for the original plan, which is the ingress

[3:39:08] Egress on Sawyer. We had presented the two plans. And Councilor Merch has had a very good

[3:39:17] point that ultimately everything is going to turn right on Bandera so are concerned with

[3:39:25] the routing the traffic down to pause so that we can hit that intersection really was not

[3:39:30] legitimate from a long term perspective. So this actually makes everyone's life so much easier

[3:39:34] we don't need any easements for that purpose and in terms of the buffer lane you wanted us to

[3:39:47] And we talked about the mitigation fee that you thought we were on the low side.

[3:39:54] And there was still one unresolved item which has to do with the sewer and water easement

[3:39:59] from Chris Cross to the property line, if required.

[3:40:02] We'll talk about why we're asking about this maybe some assistance.

[3:40:07] And I'll see we do not think this may be required but just in case.

[3:40:11] All right.

[3:40:11] So we did clean up the PDD, what you'll see in front of you is a clean version.

[3:40:18] There's only one site plan, one fire plan.

[3:40:21] And again, I would like to remind you of a couple of things.

[3:40:24] When it comes to this stage in the game, when we look at the zoning process, the zoning process

[3:40:32] is not final construction plans.

[3:40:35] It's mainly us providing a conceptual plan and many people actually just draw that by hand.

[3:40:45] Now, in this particular case because it's a PDD, we put more meat to it and we will say,

[3:40:51] well, we're going to do this dimension and this dimension.

[3:40:54] Ultimately, this is not a proven construction plan.

[3:40:58] Meaning, you're not approving us here to deviate from the code,

[3:41:01] not from the city code, not from the international fire code.

[3:41:07] When there are comments on a conceptual plan from the fire chief, we take them very seriously.

[3:41:12] We know we will have to address them upon a bond construction planning.

[3:41:16] They must be addressed.

[3:41:18] And there is nothing in this plan that's so unique that we cannot address them.

[3:41:22] This is a very standard plan.

[3:41:25] So on that note, I just wanted to make sure that when people are asking the question

[3:41:30] on particular element, detail, detail, element, and a conceptual plan, that's what it is.

[3:41:37] It's a conceptual plan.

[3:41:37] Just please remember that.

[3:41:41] And in terms of the inclusion of buffer, we talked about this.

[3:41:45] We also addressed the mitigation fee.

[3:41:48] I will dig a little bit deeper.

[3:41:50] I have one slide on that.

[3:41:51] And I will also talk about the soren water easement.

[3:41:55] All right.

[3:41:55] So there was a question on what these lines are.

[3:41:59] There was a comment from the city engineer that I agree with, that the, maybe the parking lane is not essential, so that we would force people to park on one side of the seat or the other.

[3:42:13] This is a conceptual plan, if the preference is not to have it, that's fine. We just won't throw those lines. It's all good.

[3:42:20] In terms of, you know, again, these lines, they were meant to say that you cannot park on the second parking area.

[3:42:28] And for these right-of-ways, we do have a standard 38 foot, that's what we had also in the triangle.

[3:42:42] I believe it was even smaller than that.

[3:42:45] So this actually gives us a 20 foot plus 28 foot pavement plus 8 feet for,

[3:42:55] We did actually have a cross section in one of our previous presentations, so I apologize.

[3:43:01] I didn't include it. We did receive the comments last Thursday.

[3:43:06] So we didn't have a lot of time to actually adjust or, so I was dealing with the engineers

[3:43:11] on R and to see if there was anything that needed to be addressed immediately.

[3:43:14] I think we're everything that was suggested is fair.

[3:43:19] With the exception of a couple of things I wanted to address.

[3:43:22] So, yeah, we can definitely remove the parking main, no issue.

[3:43:26] The fire chiefs, all this comments will be addressed

[3:43:29] at construction planning.

[3:43:31] We never had an issue with any of his suggestions in the past.

[3:43:37] On the buffer again, so we're moving all of this inside.

[3:43:43] So, we are the ones that are cading in this case.

[3:43:46] The two mitigation, we went from 25,000 to 50,000.

[3:43:51] with the, I wanted to highlight a couple of things.

[3:43:55] The current PDD already has provisions for three preservation.

[3:44:00] We're allowed to cut trees, as it stands right now, with the current PDD.

[3:44:05] So, this PDD has that provision in it already.

[3:44:10] Now, what we didn't have in this PDD is just capping the amount.

[3:44:15] Right, so please understand, this is not a deviation from,

[3:44:18] And it's deviation from the code, but that deviation was already allowed as part of our

[3:44:25] current PDD, which we are amending.

[3:44:27] So our saying is, what we didn't have was the cap, and we need that cap to be able to

[3:44:34] finalize our numbers, and we need our cap also for financing purposes.

[3:44:39] So we're asking for your consideration.

[3:44:41] we are replanting 150 trees. This particular property has 87% of the trees

[3:44:50] that are invasive trees. Now I know, fair enough, I'm not going to, we're just replacing

[3:44:58] was native.

[3:45:00] Non-invasive fees. That's it. And we will have 150 of those. We also expanded the green areas. I'm not sure if you noticed. Let me just go back to this plan. We did quick.

[3:45:15] We added this here, originally it was going to be more. We had a couple more. Why is this showing?

[3:45:26] Yeah, so we expanded this here. We have different versions when that's 72 and 174.

[3:45:33] But effectively, the 10 percent, when I do as the 10 percent, the 10 percent is in your code,

[3:45:39] meaning we can go up or down by 10 percent. If it's 72 or 74, we will not be exceeding that anyways.

[3:45:46] We don't believe we will go beyond 74, we don't have room for it.

[3:45:49] But we did expand this green space, and we basically,

[3:45:58] what else do I have to say here?

[3:46:00] Honestly, not much else, we're just basically meeting you halfway on the cap.

[3:46:08] I believe considering the hit we're taking on the reduction in density,

[3:46:13] and the fact that our horizontal cost is not going to be much different

[3:46:19] from 165 lbs down to 74 lbs. We're just asking for a consideration on cost, that's all.

[3:46:27] Next is addressing the staff and the engineer and fire marshal comments.

[3:46:37] Yeah, so basically everything we're asking for is simply to allow us to do the last density.

[3:46:41] That's it. You know, to allow us to control the cost.

[3:46:44] In terms of the driveways, the buffer lane, again we're absorbing that.

[3:46:47] should mitigate the risk there.

[3:46:50] The dream mitigation, I just talked about it.

[3:46:53] Side plan is conceptual.

[3:46:54] Again, I address that.

[3:46:55] We will have to comply with all the code.

[3:46:58] We will have to comply with the IFC.

[3:47:01] The 10% does not have to be spelled out in our PDD,

[3:47:04] because it's already part of your code.

[3:47:06] In terms of the recommendation to not exceed 10%

[3:47:09] without coming to council.

[3:47:12] The base zoning, we have addressed that last time

[3:47:14] of the city attorney,

[3:47:20] yeah, it's all good.

[3:47:21] So, side plan will be varied upon

[3:47:24] plating and final construction.

[3:47:27] It'll be very slightly to be able to accommodate

[3:47:29] engineering comments and requirements

[3:47:33] for mainly for detention.

[3:47:35] And that typically happens at plating time.

[3:47:38] So, there will be minor modifications or a finement

[3:47:40] who will address a lot of these issues at that point in time.

[3:47:44] just like we would have with the townhouses, exact same process.

[3:47:48] What you saw in the townhouses was of conceptual than.

[3:47:52] That's all it was. There was no real meat to it until you have

[3:47:58] a minute. Yeah, I'm done. So yeah, so I just want to address the water and sewer easements.

[3:48:05] So you understand what we're talking about. So this is the property. This is the soil road.

[3:48:12] the closest sewer connection is by the bowling center, and so we will have to

[3:48:20] transfer all the way down, and the topo, in this case, will mean that we will be going

[3:48:25] against the topo for sewer.

[3:48:27] That's not a good thing.

[3:48:28] I guess the topo of the topo is the topo is the topo of anything.

[3:48:31] So, meaning we'll be climbing up, which is not a good thing.

[3:48:35] So, that is why we need this connection here.

[3:48:40] So let me just, this is Chris Cross, again, we're not exiting Chris Cross, this is strictly

[3:48:46] because that's whether utilities are, there's a sewer hole, I will show you here in a second,

[3:48:52] and there's a water connection right there.

[3:48:55] So that's the property next door, this is the fence location on this property and this

[3:49:01] is what potentially be the property line, we don't believe that to be true, but this is relevant

[3:49:08] because, as you look at that area, it looks like this, currently, the fence goes like this.

[3:49:16] Chris Cross, this is our fence. This is the, so you look at, if this was their property line,

[3:49:25] then we will need just to be able to cross this way. And if it's not, we're totally fine.

[3:49:31] Because I believe they've put the fence right at what they believe was their property line.

[3:49:35] We are working on this, we just didn't have answers yet, but what we're asking you for is in case we need an assessment to be able to just punch through that we will help us, that city will help us get that.

[3:49:49] Just in case we are not being accommodated by either side, this could go either way, we can go this way and up or we can go north and up and sideways.

[3:50:02] So that's basically, this is where the sewer line is, this is where the water line is, and if we have our 10 feet here, this is perfect, this is the illustration of what that looks like, real time.

[3:50:17] So we could, if this is ours, which, this is, this is our property right there.

[3:50:22] We don't believe we need it.

[3:50:23] We can just punch through from there.

[3:50:26] But if we do, we'll come to you and we hope that you will help us get it.

[3:50:31] I just wanted to ask the city manager, what are the implications of that?

[3:50:35] What's the cost if we have to assume?

[3:50:38] We will assume the cost, all you guys have to do is just secure it for us, that's all.

[3:50:42] Secure it?

[3:50:45] I don't know.

[3:50:48] David, do you want to weigh in on that?

[3:50:50] Yeah.

[3:50:50] I don't know.

[3:50:51] I don't know.

[3:50:52] David, do you want to weigh in on that?

[3:50:53] on that component and so if you don't remember that advice that's up to you whether or not you

[3:50:59] want to go in the executive session and hear that advice. So I'm going to tell you is it's

[3:51:07] a conversation you can't have, you can take on the responsibility or you don't have to take

[3:51:11] on the responsibility. Okay, do you want to go back into the executive session?

[3:51:18] I mean, I don't

[3:51:22] I just wanted to add something real quick, if I may, I just saw this this afternoon, so that's a dead end water main, so we would recommend that you would tie in to Sawyer and not at that location.

[3:51:40] So I'll explain what we're asking for before you go away.

[3:51:44] So we can trench from all the way from that's the other option.

[3:51:55] But it's not the clean solution for anybody.

[3:52:00] The clean solution is for us literally.

[3:52:02] I'll show you what we're talking about.

[3:52:05] This here, we're not going to do the water.

[3:52:09] We'll pull the water from the soil.

[3:52:11] The sewer is 29 feet going this way to that quarter.

[3:52:16] If we need an easement, we need an easement for less than 5 feet.

[3:52:21] To be able to cross if we do.

[3:52:24] To be able to cross from Chris Cross to our property.

[3:52:27] That's all we need.

[3:52:28] Now, we could do it again.

[3:52:32] Through this property or through that property.

[3:52:35] As developers, you need to understand something

[3:52:37] why we would typically rely on our municipal partner

[3:52:41] to do this, that five feet that we will need

[3:52:44] is because the city has substantially more influence

[3:52:48] and can exercise, I mean, in domain.

[3:52:50] That's what we've done for the Seneca West property.

[3:52:56] I know, but that was a very different story.

[3:52:58] I was substantially more elaborate.

[3:53:01] And in this case, we abandoned the idea of exiting

[3:53:04] onto cross cross, because we knew

[3:53:06] could potentially be a problem, but for the sewer, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a

[3:53:11] citizen recommendation that we tie into this sewer, just so we, we all know that.

[3:53:18] And from a legal perspective, from what the attorney told you, you're not, I'm not telling

[3:53:22] you not to, I'm not telling you that's a bad idea. I'm not telling you any of that. I'm just

[3:53:25] telling you not, you have no obligation to provide him, he's an act that, that's his responsibility.

[3:53:32] Now I'm not saying that that, that you shouldn't, I'm not saying any of that. I'm just

[3:53:35] telling you the attorneys advise an executive session to y'all with you can you don't you can

[3:53:42] and or you don't have to but if you want to get into the details of all of that you're going

[3:53:47] to have to go and executive session have that conversation with him if that's even if that's

[3:53:53] even

[3:54:00] if that's even if that's exactly if that's exactly if that's exactly if you're okay with

[3:54:03] everything else you think will you have a need to have a question

[3:54:13] so just in case you are

[3:54:15] OK, with everything else, what we're saying is that five

[3:54:17] foot that we will need were happy to pay for it.

[3:54:20] It can go either way.

[3:54:21] We do not envision a problem, but it's

[3:54:23] typical that we work with our municipal partner,

[3:54:28] especially as we are having, we're making substantial

[3:54:31] concessions on density, that if we need that connection

[3:54:34] that five foot connection and we are having resistance,

[3:54:38] that this city would just help us with securing it

[3:54:41] will pay for it.

[3:54:42] That's all.

[3:54:42] And yes, you don't have to do it.

[3:54:44] we never said that this is an obligation on behalf of the city,

[3:54:48] we'll just ask you for your help to make it happen.

[3:54:52] And we would very much appreciate your consideration on that.

[3:54:55] If needed, that's all.

[3:54:56] And did you ever answer the question that the engineer asked about the parking?

[3:55:01] Oh, I don't believe that.

[3:55:02] I didn't, I didn't honestly understand that.

[3:55:04] But they said to per household or to per.

[3:55:09] So, so it says the off-street requirement is

[3:55:13] for two cars off-sweet parking, and each house has a dog garage, and it has a bad for two cars.

[3:55:22] So we have four cars off-sweet parking by house.

[3:55:29] Per house?

[3:55:30] Yeah, so to inside, to outside, so I'm sorry.

[3:55:35] I didn't understand why two for the whole development.

[3:55:39] I'm not sure if they can explain what that was all about.

[3:55:43] Okay, so what's the pleasure of the council?

[3:55:48] Rick, did you have a explanation, is it?

[3:55:53] Yes, we were just asking for clarification on that one line.

[3:55:56] I think he said two per unit, two per house.

[3:56:02] So two plus two is four, two inside the garage and two outside the garage, is that what I'm hearing?

[3:56:09] Okay, that was a clear question.

[3:56:11] Yes, Councillor Merch.

[3:56:13] I have a question.

[3:56:14] So, he wants to retain the PDD that's already been approved for the R3 housing and then get this PDD for the R6 housing also approved.

[3:56:29] What does that look like? What does that mean we're allowing him to do if we're looking at this plan and this plan, but we're ultimately giving him the opportunity to mix match.

[3:56:41] You can't mix, mix, match, y'all are voting on two individual conceptual plans.

[3:56:47] So essentially what you would do is y'all would vote on his original request,

[3:56:53] which is the R3 zoning with this R6 use with this conceptual plan.

[3:56:58] So your motion would be that you're accepting his, you're already accepted his R6.

[3:57:03] So this will be just an R. If you do it that way, you don't have to.

[3:57:06] You can say we don't want to do, we don't want you to have the R3,

[3:57:09] we only want to do, we are three, you've already accepted his R3, that's already approved.

[3:57:16] This R6 plan, what he's asking you to do is keep his R3, you're just accepting this R6

[3:57:24] use as part of that original R3. So you're giving him permission to do either the first conceptual

[3:57:30] plan or the second conceptual plan. That is his request. Now you can come back and say, we want

[3:57:36] We don't want to do the R3.

[3:57:38] We only want the R6, then it's up to him whether or not he keeps the request.

[3:57:42] He can withdraw his request, which he said that he would do if you all tried to just vote on the R6 plan.

[3:57:49] So, that is a council decision on what you all want to do.

[3:57:53] But his request is that he keeps the R6 and the R6 conceptual plan with this R3 use in this plan as well.

[3:58:03] And so the way the motion would be, and I have to double check with art, but the way it would be is we're keeping his original R3 with this R6 use and conceptual plan.

[3:58:13] And then whatever you have is part of this conceptual plan.

[3:58:16] So if you want to make sure he addresses the fire, you can make the motion to ensure that he addresses the fire, comments, codes, that kind of thing.

[3:58:23] Which is typical. He's right. We wouldn't approve the plan without him being able to come up with the solution for those.

[3:58:30] but in order to satisfy the council,

[3:58:33] you can make your motion to be very specific.

[3:58:37] So that's what he's requesting.

[3:58:39] He's requesting both.

[3:58:41] And so you have the ability as a council

[3:58:42] to give him both.

[3:58:44] You don't have to.

[3:58:44] You can just say,

[3:58:46] nope, we're denying this request.

[3:58:47] He stays with his original

[3:58:50] arts theory plan and he just moves on with that.

[3:58:55] Or you agree to this plan, he has both.

[3:58:57] Or you try to just go for the R3

[3:58:59] it's up to him whether or not he wants to, I'm sorry, this R6, Bay Zoning and then he goes

[3:59:05] away.

[3:59:06] What lives with the plan though is after 24 months if he's unable to break ground, his original

[3:59:12] plan goes away.

[3:59:14] But it keeps the original R3 base zoning.

[3:59:20] That makes sense.

[3:59:21] That means whatever goes along with an R3 which includes apartments could also be a concept

[3:59:27] for that as well.

[3:59:28] and so it's just making sure y'all understand possible outcomes of what could conclude based on your road.

[3:59:39] Right, I would like to clarify a couple of things.

[3:59:43] Again, go back to square one.

[3:59:46] We can go ahead today and build townhouses.

[3:59:51] And we did the numbers and townhouses would be a fantastic project for us,

[3:59:56] but they'd have to be for rent.

[3:59:57] Alright, so we...

[4:00:00] We have been in front of you. When you granted us the townhouse approval, you did not grant us that townhouse approval for rentals.

[4:00:11] You granted it to us because we told you it's going to be a great development and it's going to be beautiful. We're going to have four stories.

[4:00:17] We're going to have rooftop barriers. And that's the vision that you have that we sold you on. And we did not want to deceive what we promised.

[4:00:27] So we know the numbers will work extremely well for a rental setup, as it stands right now.

[4:00:38] We decided we will evaluate this other option, which is the option for single family, right?

[4:00:45] And we would drop from 165 townhouses down to 74.

[4:00:52] And in order for us to be able to do that, we need certain variances to accommodate

[4:00:58] only that massive loss.

[4:01:02] So why the R3 and I, it sounds very technical, but currently we're approved for R3 based

[4:01:08] zoning.

[4:01:09] We're not going to give up this until, but the moment we decide, okay, we're going to build

[4:01:14] the R6, there's no return.

[4:01:16] That's it.

[4:01:16] and the R6 is sitting there.

[4:01:19] We can build the homes and then they said,

[4:01:21] oh, okay, we still have R3,

[4:01:23] that base on and goes away, right?

[4:01:26] The reason why we're asking for it

[4:01:28] is not to be cute, it's not to be to outsmart,

[4:01:31] not like that at all, it's just,

[4:01:33] because we need it in case the numbers don't work out.

[4:01:37] The financing doesn't come through.

[4:01:40] So, so that we are able to just get that flexibility

[4:01:45] If the numbers don't work out, we go back to original data, which we can build today, anyways.

[4:01:50] So we're not playing games.

[4:01:52] But we're asking for is to please allow us a chance to evaluate this option more seriously.

[4:01:57] We're about 80% there.

[4:01:59] I believe we will push through it.

[4:02:01] But we still need the 20% is still there.

[4:02:04] And we need to keep our base zoning as it is.

[4:02:07] It's by the way, it's been done before.

[4:02:10] the bus property in 2021 when because we own this other property in next door. In fact, I'll talk about this in a second.

[4:02:19] So when we did that, we had base zoning of B2, which is retail. And we were approved for townhouses and apartments and one storefront in the front.

[4:02:33] mixed to it's basically. So it's not like it cannot be done where you have one based

[4:02:39] zoning and that's what PDDs are for is to create the flexibility to negotiate all together

[4:02:45] to come up with a solution that works. PDD also allows for tree variances embedded in there

[4:02:54] because how can we build a plan without being able to cut the trees? Like you know it doesn't

[4:02:59] So you can't just approve one piece and leave the other piece hanging there because that will not allow us to move on, right?

[4:03:09] So if we're going to come back and you guys can say, you know, two months later, if you want to say, okay, yeah, we'll allow you to do that.

[4:03:15] What's the point? Why not do it all that once?

[4:03:17] So there's nothing that we are asking for that we believe is outlanders or believe is cute or deceiving.

[4:03:24] All we're asking for is your blessings to be able to proceed with evaluating and executing the stand effort towards.

[4:03:32] That's a happy to answer any questions.

[4:03:38] Yes, Councillor Roscoe.

[4:03:40] Yes, I don't believe that you're trying to deceive us in any way.

[4:03:43] I know, as I had mentioned before, we know that you're a businessman,

[4:03:48] and you've got to try to get the best deal for your organization.

[4:03:50] I totally understand that.

[4:03:52] And I'm okay with the R3 or R6, then we work out another plan like that, and you're previous endeavors that we had in the El Valley, right?

[4:04:03] So it worked out well, and you gave us half.

[4:04:08] The three mitigation.

[4:04:11] You know, I've always given you a big break.

[4:04:13] We have always given you a break.

[4:04:16] A set of the 50,000 will you consider 70,000?

[4:04:18] Yes.

[4:04:20] Okay.

[4:04:21] That's it.

[4:04:22] wasn't easy don't think oh I could have asked him for ninety I knew you were going to ask me for seventy

[4:04:27] I was going to ask you for eighty

[4:04:29] Yes

[4:04:30] No the reason I'll tell you I'll tell you why I'll tell you why it wasn't quick response

[4:04:35] We're not going to nickel in that end time

[4:04:37] We're here as good partners we've always been here as good partners

[4:04:40] We're not going to nickel and dam on twenty thousand you know it's supposed to be ninety six thousand we appreciate the twenty six thousand

[4:04:47] consideration. We will never block on kindness. So we would definitely proceed.

[4:04:55] I mentioned for the ask us, you know, not only, I know you're playing 150 trees, but we also may be using that money to plant trees.

[4:05:04] And so, if you can move the 50,000 to 70,000, which you consider that?

[4:05:08] Yes.

[4:05:10] Okay.

[4:05:11] I don't know what the other colleagues are thinking.

[4:05:13] but that was my concern also the only thing that I'm worried about was any kind of a

[4:05:18] variance is it reverting back to the townhouses and then all of a sudden I mean I

[4:05:25] can see making an allowance if you're going to go from 150 units to 72 I can see

[4:05:31] cutting you some slack because I understand that you are losing money I do get that but if

[4:05:37] we say yes and it goes back, then the city does without because of that. You know what I mean?

[4:05:44] It's kind of, I wish we knew what exactly we were going to be voting for if it was going

[4:05:49] to be a townhouses or a single family home before we agreed to anything else.

[4:05:55] Okay, let me clarify that this particular concession only applies the way we asked for it

[4:06:04] if we were to proceed with the single family.

[4:06:08] So please, yeah.

[4:06:09] So if you look at our submission,

[4:06:11] it has 3.0, 3.1, 4.0, 4.1, the articles.

[4:06:16] And each one, if we were to proceed with this plan,

[4:06:20] then all the points zeroes apply.

[4:06:22] If we were to proceed with the townhouses,

[4:06:26] all the points zeroes apply.

[4:06:28] If we proceed with the single family, all the points ones apply.

[4:06:32] Because that answer your question, yeah, of course.

[4:06:37] That is a good question now.

[4:06:38] It's just this R3 versus R6.

[4:06:41] It's kind of like, I think all of us would rather have the less density.

[4:06:47] And I would like to share with you.

[4:06:49] I don't have R6, but yet, you know, you're saying,

[4:06:52] No, I have R3.

[4:06:55] For financing or, you know, no, no.

[4:07:00] The fifth one.

[4:07:01] I repeat, why would be.

[4:07:02] Rentals.

[4:07:03] But you know, what, you could have already done it, right?

[4:07:06] I could, I could, I could go ahead and do it, I don't need.

[4:07:08] So I, I don't know.

[4:07:08] I don't know.

[4:07:09] I don't know.

[4:07:10] I don't know.

[4:07:12] So we're putting the time and effort into our six because we're about, you know, when

[4:07:18] we came initially, right about 40% sure that's the case.

[4:07:23] As we started conversation, we felt that this is something that everybody likes.

[4:07:27] So we kept on pushing and investing and engineering and you know getting more data and costing and

[4:07:34] And then you know we're so we're moving in the right direction, but we're not dead

[4:07:38] I don't have my financing. I don't have there's so much left in terms of the final decision making

[4:07:44] The question to council is what do you have to lose?

[4:07:50] Yes, Councillor

[4:07:52] Comfort

[4:07:53] Mr. Shawty, I want to apologize that I wasn't here.

[4:07:57] The last of the meeting, please.

[4:07:59] I do want to commend you on the modifications and the things that you, the compromises you

[4:08:05] come up with.

[4:08:06] Thank you.

[4:08:07] We certainly, I think, everyone on this diet, and I'm just going to speak for myself, support

[4:08:13] the less than the sense of development.

[4:08:18] And I'm in favor of this development, but I am concerned by leaving two zoning R3 and R6 that

[4:08:30] let's say you decide that here you're talking to us about low density, but you have both

[4:08:37] options on the table, you sell the property, and I know you haven't done it to us, but we've

[4:08:43] it done and you've pointed it out to me when it has been done and you sell it to a new owner

[4:08:50] and the new owner says, hey, I got both and it's worth more because you've got both zones,

[4:08:58] okay, an R3 and an R6. You do what you want, buddy. I just flipped that property and that's my concern

[4:09:06] that will get into somebody that you flipped this property. It's now, hey, buddy, I got two zones

[4:09:12] Zoning things are three in our six, you decide now the PDD sold to us and I just don't think I'm there

[4:09:24] I think, you know, if there were two zones, I think it would make sense if you had projects that had pieces

[4:09:31] That said this piece was on our three this pieces in our six. I'm happy to answer. I'm happy to answer that once Dr. Caldera

[4:09:42] So you're voting on his plan, so it's not that he gets two zonines, all he'll have is the base zonine, so if he doesn't say all the side, I don't want to deal with this, we're done, he goes back with his original plan and say he doesn't build.

[4:09:58] The only thing that lives on that property is the R3.

[4:10:01] He doesn't get to go and tell somebody else.

[4:10:03] I'm selling it for R3 and R6.

[4:10:05] You're voting on this as an R3 with this R6 use.

[4:10:11] That's how you're voting on it.

[4:10:13] This isn't a separate Bay Zoning.

[4:10:14] You're not giving him two Bay Zoning.

[4:10:16] His Bay Zoning will remain R3.

[4:10:21] What he can do is flip the property or sell it to what he's going to do.

[4:10:25] He's going to sell the property, but he's going to sell it to either somebody that's going

[4:10:28] to do the townhouse plan or somebody that's going to do the R6 plan because the only

[4:10:34] thing they can build there is the conceptual plan you're voting on.

[4:10:38] They can't come build a different R6 or a different R3 plan.

[4:10:42] The only thing that can happen is if they don't break ground on the conceptual plan within

[4:10:47] 24 months, then it reverts back to its original base zone, which is R3.

[4:10:54] So, as long as you make your motion to that effect, then that should protect you from the, you can't, you can't say this property is both R6 and R3.

[4:11:07] Like it doesn't work that way.

[4:11:08] You'll make sure that your motion stays with his base zoning, which is R6.

[4:11:12] I just want to come, I just want to, I just want to, I just want to, I just want to, I just want to, I just want to, I just want to, I just want to, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[4:11:19] Now, the base zoning for the properties are three.

[4:11:22] He's requesting an R6 use with this conceptual plan.

[4:11:27] That's what he's asking for.

[4:11:28] He's asking to keep the R3 and give him the R6 use.

[4:11:33] You can make the motion to that effect.

[4:11:36] But he can't go and say, hey, I need to sell this property

[4:11:40] with both an R3 and an R6.

[4:11:42] Now, he can go try to sell both the plans,

[4:11:45] which I assume that that's what he's going to do.

[4:11:47] Well, one, there's an assumption that I'm selling.

[4:11:50] which is interesting assumption.

[4:11:53] Yes, we have sold in the past, but maybe this project we want to take on.

[4:11:57] So the assumption I think is an overreach.

[4:12:00] Now, in terms of, in terms of plus honestly, it's our business.

[4:12:05] We own the land for the developers.

[4:12:08] But at the same time, I actually, I'm seriously considering personally building the townhouses.

[4:12:16] and we are actually talking to a very, very cool concepts that where we can get it up super quick.

[4:12:25] We can get a set of 10 townhouses up in a period of six weeks.

[4:12:33] I know. It sounds an over-fetched, but it's all boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Basically,

[4:12:38] we'll just design it all. It's all steel construction. We can bring it in containers and literally

[4:12:45] and just go up, frame it all, get it all up and running,

[4:12:48] and then finish, of course, over time.

[4:12:50] But within six weeks, we can get structure of 10.

[4:12:53] And the cost is actually favorable.

[4:12:55] And that is why that's a concept I would personally

[4:12:58] consider doing.

[4:13:00] And the best we stayed clear from vertical,

[4:13:02] we've done it in North Carolina, and it was a hellish

[4:13:05] to be able to deal with the public.

[4:13:08] So we stayed clear from that.

[4:13:10] We have done it before.

[4:13:12] We will do it again.

[4:13:12] It's all about good business.

[4:13:16] Now, in terms of your question, first of all, there's nothing that you need to spell out.

[4:13:21] Everything I've been talking about is actually built into the PDD amendment as we submitted it.

[4:13:30] There's no creativity.

[4:13:32] It can be approved as it is.

[4:13:34] It's all the stuff we're talking about is embedded.

[4:13:36] And if somebody makes a motion, we approve, as we get exactly what we're talking about, there's no creativity in how the motion should be put.

[4:13:48] Unless, unless somebody else thinks otherwise, the net of this is we get, we keep our R3, which is there for us regardless.

[4:13:59] If this expires, I can build apartments on this thing.

[4:14:04] And it'll stay.

[4:14:05] If I decide to basically build the 10 years from now,

[4:14:08] I can still build it with apartments.

[4:14:11] Any developer will tell you that the current value

[4:14:13] of that property substantially exceeds

[4:14:15] for an R3 as it stands.

[4:14:19] Anything that you will get for single family.

[4:14:22] When you have 165 downhouses entitled for this property,

[4:14:27] I can assure you that if I was to sell it just like that it's twice to three times the price

[4:14:34] I would get for single family and and it's some I need developer will tell you that

[4:14:39] Right, so for me I'll tell you my opinion

[4:14:42] I would rather you request me that it'd be a base zone of R6 and I would agree with some of the concessions that you have

[4:14:48] Yeah, that's my opinion

[4:14:50] Okay, I don't want this R3 lingering out there because I want it

[4:14:55] It won't slinger for long, and it's not lingering, it's there.

[4:15:00] Today we have it. Please understand that. It's not asking you to do anything that will be compromising the city's well-being. All I'm asking you is to give me the opportunity to do less density.

[4:15:14] That's all. There's no shenanigans going on.

[4:15:19] And if you decide not to be that it's an R6 based on that fair enough.

[4:15:24] And I appreciate that, but please appreciate where we're coming from, which is if I continue.

[4:15:32] I'm almost there, but I'm not there.

[4:15:35] I cannot relinquish my R3, not knowing that I'm 100% sure I'm proceeding with R6.

[4:15:41] Even if I'm at 80% which that's where I'm I am I'm not going to really squish the R3 you wouldn't if you're in my position

[4:15:49] Knowing that I will I will I'm shooting for I'm here talking to you guys almost begging you to go down on density

[4:15:55] I mean which developer does that

[4:15:58] Right, so so and the mechanism of how to do it and that's what I'm saying I am for the less density

[4:16:03] So let's just change it to an order. We cannot change it for our sex and if we do I will not accept that. I will walk away

[4:16:09] honestly, which is fair enough, you know, I will go and build, I'm here out of, like, I like you guys, and I, you know what, they all see it, they're coming here as a family.

[4:16:18] Some of us, you know, don't like me, some of us like me, some of us think this, some of us, but you know, we've been, we've been doing this for many years.

[4:16:25] And to me, I appreciate you, and I respect you, I want us to work together. There's nothing for the city to lose.

[4:16:34] Nothing, honestly, from a rational perspective, nothing for the city to lose, to allow us a chance to consider less density.

[4:16:44] But just because you're going to allow us that chance, you can't strip us from what we currently have.

[4:16:51] I'm just being very rational, not emotional.

[4:16:54] And I hope you agree with me that what we're asking for is very logical and fair.

[4:17:00] There's no concessions on behalf of the city beside Okesamya. Go go and if you can do it, we love it.

[4:17:08] Just do it, right? And I'm 80% there. Please allow us to do it. Please. Please.

[4:17:15] Well, you've not changed my opinion. And you're asking for additional concessions to cut even more trees down in pale.

[4:17:24] You know, I don't care what we've negotiated here or tried to negotiate here from the Dias.

[4:17:30] You know, if you want those variances, let's commit to a Bay Zone of R6.

[4:17:37] And then we can then discuss, hey, we'll accept some of the things that you've asked for.

[4:17:44] So that's just my opinion.

[4:17:46] And you can read my book.

[4:17:47] I'll all you want.

[4:17:48] But yeah, that's my perspective.

[4:17:51] I don't agree with it because I don't believe there's a downside to this.

[4:17:54] city whatsoever, zero downside. We're already approved for the other plan. We can cut trees

[4:18:03] and the worst case scenario we have is to pay you $97,000.

[4:18:10] We know how much that cost.

[4:18:13] That's an extra $97,000 and the upside is massive. So that's so in terms of asking for more

[4:18:20] Marking sessions from the city, we're not, how so, how so I would I invited you?

[4:18:27] You are not approved to cut as many trees in the initial variance that you brought

[4:18:33] forward to us.

[4:18:34] You're in the tree plan that I saw, there were other clumps of trees that we're going

[4:18:40] to stay.

[4:18:40] Now you're asking to cut them all down.

[4:18:43] All right.

[4:18:44] There were six trees that were the state there were number one, two, three, four, five,

[4:18:49] and six, there were specific positions based on the site plan that we had for the townhouses.

[4:18:57] We were keeping six degrees. You're welcome to look at the current PD, because we're

[4:19:02] not replacing the PD, he was just adding to it. It's available to you. It's exhibit

[4:19:08] J in the fair. I still think it should be a request.

[4:19:13] Fair enough. I would like to be clear though, when you're saying we were not, we were

[4:19:19] not authorized or approved to remove, to remove trees, we were and all we had to do is keep

[4:19:28] six trees and then pay the difference. The difference would have been less than $97,000

[4:19:35] because we will have six trees left. So what I'm saying is we are already approved to proceed.

[4:19:43] We will pay the full fee it to be about 90,000 bucks and there's no impediment right now for us to proceed

[4:19:51] Please know that we do not have to come back to you guys

[4:19:54] I know I know that over our head. No, I don't know. Please

[4:19:58] And so that's not a time trying to get to a real direct response

[4:20:03] Let's do in our six. Let's agree to the low density. That's that's what I'm requesting. Well

[4:20:10] by colleagues and I have a step from my opinion.

[4:20:14] And I respect that, but please understand also our position.

[4:20:17] We are not asking for any more, not one more concession from the city that we apparently have.

[4:20:26] Beside the cap, and we know our rosquise scenario is 97,000 dollars.

[4:20:30] That's if you have to get all the tweets.

[4:20:32] We already approved for the three preservation done, right?

[4:20:37] So, and I'm not holding anything over your head, I don't understand why you're seeing it that way.

[4:20:44] When we're coming in with the best possible intention, and I'm sorry if it came out that way, absolutely not the intention.

[4:20:51] I truly apologize for that.

[4:20:53] I'm not holding anything over anyone anyone has had.

[4:20:55] We're entitled for something not holding it over your head.

[4:20:58] I did not hold over anyone's head the fact that we had apartments before and we decided to go down on density.

[4:21:06] and a lot of people appreciated that.

[4:21:08] And honestly, that's all we're doing here.

[4:21:10] We did go, and when we did that, just not sure if you remember,

[4:21:15] the PDD for the triangle, the trilogy,

[4:21:18] resemble the lot that we have here.

[4:21:21] And we came back to, we were entitled for,

[4:21:23] so we were entitled for apartments.

[4:21:26] Came back with 94,000, 94 single family.

[4:21:30] And we came back and reduced that to 67.

[4:21:34] Two reductions.

[4:21:35] This is not the developer that's coming to hold anything over your head or you've always worked together very well.

[4:21:41] I always thought that, you know, there was always a discordual back and forth.

[4:21:46] We give concessions, you ask us for concessions, we give concessions.

[4:21:51] I'm just at a position where I'm coming saying, you know what, this is what I have.

[4:21:57] Would you please allow me to do this and you say, no, if you want to do this, you have to give up this.

[4:22:00] But Mr. Shihadi, we can't really compare it to Triangle because it was, we knew what we were getting.

[4:22:07] You know what I'm saying? The R6 with the ton of variances. And this is R3 and R6.

[4:22:13] And I think it's R3, it's R3, but you want to see it inside of it.

[4:22:20] Yeah, I guess it's just, there's no guarantees that it's going to be R6.

[4:22:26] Well, you're saying it's going to be R3 because that's what I already have, right?

[4:22:32] Well, how about we look at it a little bit different?

[4:22:36] The guarantee for what? We currently have a guarantee for 165 townhouses.

[4:22:41] Well, that's the guarantee, right?

[4:22:43] I come to you and say, would you please allow me to do 74?

[4:22:48] And you tell me, well, if I can just evaluate that, can you allow me to just evaluate it and see if I can get financing for it?

[4:22:56] see if, you know, we can actually make it work.

[4:22:59] And in order for me to do that, to proceed,

[4:23:01] I need to know that this is an option available to us.

[4:23:04] The bank wants to know that this is an option that's approved.

[4:23:07] Not gonna approve financing, something that's not approved.

[4:23:10] I cannot build single family on a townhouse on an R3.

[4:23:16] It's unfortunate, because typically the way it works is,

[4:23:19] well, if you have a maximum of 171 would think,

[4:23:23] if you have maximum of 165,

[4:23:25] And you can build just 70, right?

[4:23:29] What, like, you know, mathematically, I'm an engineer,

[4:23:31] you're able to count it right?

[4:23:33] So mathematically it makes sense that I can,

[4:23:35] the maximum, my maximum is 165.

[4:23:37] I should be able to build 74, right?

[4:23:43] But the way the code is written,

[4:23:45] you cannot until you come in and ask for permission

[4:23:49] to do that.

[4:23:51] It's kind of that way.

[4:23:53] And in order for us to be able to achieve that,

[4:23:57] this is the mechanism for it.

[4:23:59] It's for us to say, look, you know,

[4:24:01] additional use, you allow us to do this.

[4:24:04] But in order for me to do this density,

[4:24:07] I need to pick a zone that matches what I'm trying to do,

[4:24:14] so that the city can enforce support.

[4:24:18] And that is the right thing to do.

[4:24:20] So if I'm saying, look, I want this site plan,

[4:24:22] which is 70, didn't just that comment?

[4:24:25] I'm sorry.

[4:24:26] And just the comment that you just made,

[4:24:28] which is why you're looking for the zone to do that?

[4:24:32] That's what I'm suggesting.

[4:24:33] Oh, you want us for the arts?

[4:24:34] Yeah, fair enough.

[4:24:36] And what I meant by looking for the zone,

[4:24:38] I'm looking for something for the city

[4:24:40] to hold us accountable to.

[4:24:42] Like, if I'm going with something that is different product,

[4:24:46] when you approve this for the PDD,

[4:24:48] You approve this for a very specific

[4:24:51] Avariances on the R3 to allow us to build those townhouses in a certain way, right?

[4:24:57] If I'm building less density in this case single family,

[4:25:02] the R3 code doesn't match, right?

[4:25:05] The right thing to do is to say, look,

[4:25:07] we'll leave this as it is in the box.

[4:25:09] It's not going to get disturbed.

[4:25:11] What we will do is we'll just take this other box to allow us to do that,

[4:25:15] and this other box here

[4:25:16] and needs something to compare to.

[4:25:19] And that explanation supports what I'm saying

[4:25:22] that it should be your request should be

[4:25:24] let me change the Bay Zone into an R6.

[4:25:28] That's exactly what you're saying.

[4:25:30] I have a spectrum, and that's not what I'm saying,

[4:25:32] but that's, I have a spectrum of spectrum.

[4:25:33] Yes, Councillor, Martian.

[4:25:35] I know we've been at it for an hour with Mr. Schotties.

[4:25:37] I think we need to wrap this up somehow.

[4:25:40] I know that I didn't ever think I would say this,

[4:25:44] but I understand what he's saying.

[4:25:48] And he's got the R3 approvals, and that was done

[4:25:53] by a previous council.

[4:25:55] And as much as I would like to reverse it all

[4:25:57] in all of the exceptions that he got and everything else,

[4:26:01] I can't do that now.

[4:26:02] It's a done deal.

[4:26:05] So I'm actually considering the fact

[4:26:08] that if there's a chance that we can get an R6 project

[4:26:13] in this property versus the R3 that he's already got approval for,

[4:26:21] it's at least a chance, whereas right now with the R3, it's a done deal.

[4:26:27] We don't have a chance to make it better.

[4:26:30] But if we do look at approving the R6,

[4:26:35] and I mean, I have a question and I know that Dr. Calder is going to tell me it's not my business to ask this question,

[4:26:41] but I'll ask it anyway, please do.

[4:26:43] Given all of the variances that we've allowed in terms

[4:26:47] of the size of the lots and the size of the homes

[4:26:49] and the signs and the size of the clearances,

[4:26:53] is it really a marketable home that somebody would want to buy?

[4:26:57] Because it's not going to do us any good too,

[4:27:00] if we approve an R6 that sits there and nobody buys these homes.

[4:27:06] So are we, are we shaving off so much to try and make the profit that we need that they're not attractive to a buyer, or, I mean,

[4:27:21] that it wasn't attracted to.

[4:27:22] Like you wouldn't get funding, it wouldn't happen.

[4:27:25] Like it, so you're getting into what it's going to look like,

[4:27:31] and whether or not it can be sold, it really doesn't matter.

[4:27:34] Because if he goes, that's what he gets funding for, it's R6,

[4:27:37] and that's what he starts developing those blocks.

[4:27:41] Four, then it's too hard to revert back to anything else

[4:27:44] or who's in that now.

[4:27:48] What y'all thought wasn't going to be marketable,

[4:27:50] which is, like, your century community's property.

[4:27:55] What's this, right?

[4:27:59] This is for the market exchange to

[4:28:04] the R1U,

[4:28:05] to look like, even what our state needs to look like.

[4:28:13] Um,

[4:28:17] I mean, what don't want to do with it.

[4:28:21] Yeah.

[4:28:21] Okay, yes.

[4:28:22] Councillor Raskar.

[4:28:23] Thank you, Dr. Carter.

[4:28:24] I don't want to hear your speaker on.

[4:28:26] I don't know.

[4:28:27] Both of you have some very compelling statements and arguments.

[4:28:31] I really, really, thank that you guys do.

[4:28:34] And Councilman will fill up, I'd like to call you for it, but I used to, yeah, it's covered, but it's late.

[4:28:45] I think that if we don't take advantage of this right now, and that property there, if you go in there, it is horrible, not only for the city of Leon Valley, but especially for the people that live around there, it is horrendous.

[4:29:02] And I don't think that you're going to deceive us, you have to do it, you're an excellent

[4:29:09] businessman, and I know that you do what you have to do, and majority of times I want

[4:29:14] to agree with it, but sometimes I have to vote what's best for the city.

[4:29:20] Not me or what I feel about it and what I did not like, but what's going to benefit the city.

[4:29:27] And I think that by going with what you're saying as Council and Merch was indicated, you

[4:29:35] already have R3, and we get lucky to put some R6 in there then okay, we'll take advantage

[4:29:41] of that.

[4:29:41] I believe you said that was like that.

[4:29:43] I believe the trilogy was like that a little bit, as far as you could have put apartments

[4:29:46] in there if you wanted to.

[4:29:48] I'd like to believe that you have the best interest of our city in going with this, and I

[4:29:53] you've got this interesting company as well. But with that I'd like to make a motion like

[4:29:58] the mayor say we've got...

[4:30:00] We've been here for an hour, and Dr. Cardell, you want to make the motion even though you want it out?

[4:30:05] There's very best that you need to be able to do one more thing. Given the fact that I think that this is a better option and it's the only way.

[4:30:16] The only chance that we have to have less than housing, I still think the tree in mitigation and lieu of figure needs to be negotiated a little bit more.

[4:30:26] Well, it should not be, it should be, we should follow the recommendation of staff and that is, we follow our code.

[4:30:32] We don't do that, guys.

[4:30:34] So that's, that's what I would like to do.

[4:30:37] You have over 91,000, just, you know, and maybe we can work out as far as the easement in that.

[4:30:46] I think that's what's holding them back. 91,000.

[4:30:50] Well, do 91,000, and you guys will help us with that easement if we need it.

[4:30:54] that's fair. As in we'll pay for the easement. I don't know about that. I don't know what we're

[4:31:01] getting into with the easement. We talked to last meeting when we were talking about the easement

[4:31:06] wasn't it to expand the road. But then he gave up on. Right. So it's not the road. You're just giving

[4:31:14] him. He's asking for. But now it's water. So it wasn't water. It's just a sewer. Okay. So it's just

[4:31:20] But he's asking for five foot, but we would have to obtain that easement on his behalf in order to get to it.

[4:31:26] And again, he's right, we don't know exactly what that looks like yet because we have to get surveys and make sure what all that entails.

[4:31:36] But that's essentially what he's asking for.

[4:31:38] Just in case he can't get it, he wants to make sure we're willing.

[4:31:42] We need the muscle behind it for that five feet just in case.

[4:31:45] That's all right.

[4:31:46] That's what he's asking for.

[4:31:47] That's completely up to you on whether or not you want to do trying to say no. Yes, you do. I can see it on your face go ahead

[4:31:54] The concern with this tree mitigation 50,000 is a fair price for all those junk trees

[4:32:00] I've walked in there. They're just shrubs. They're not trees and I'm a tree hugger

[4:32:06] But those trees. I'm okay if they go and based on that I'd like to make a motion that we

[4:32:12] You know, so guys you'll keep cutting it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I've got a public hearing. I've got to open and close

[4:32:19] I haven't done that yet. Right. So, but sorry. So I've just Robert, I'm just going to

[4:32:25] When somebody starts a motion, y'all shouldn't cut each other off. You need to let them finish their motion.

[4:32:31] So, well, he started. Oh, it's not even that.

[4:32:34] Was that even that make a motion? Yeah, but that's what I'm like y'all let once once you say the words, I have a motion. You really shouldn't stop each other's motion.

[4:32:42] Let them finish their motion and we can go from there.

[4:32:46] I mean, it's one, it's just polite.

[4:32:48] No, you're like, we're business of order.

[4:32:50] How we draw my motion?

[4:32:53] There's no withdrawing a motion,

[4:32:54] because I don't want you to put that on their way.

[4:32:55] What's the date of the motion?

[4:32:57] So you just said, I have a motion, but you should let you finish

[4:33:00] a said motion.

[4:33:02] And so I'm just letting it for Roberts' rules

[4:33:05] for everything you've adopted.

[4:33:07] But also, there's a public hearing.

[4:33:08] Yet, we haven't done the public hearing.

[4:33:10] You're not taking the vote.

[4:33:11] He can still make a motion prior to your public hearing.

[4:33:13] The second, the motion, and then you can open up the public hearing.

[4:33:17] Go ahead.

[4:33:18] Go ahead.

[4:33:19] Go ahead.

[4:33:20] There's no motion.

[4:33:21] There's no motion.

[4:33:23] Go ahead.

[4:33:24] Well, but I thought that.

[4:33:27] You can open up.

[4:33:28] You can open up the public hearing.

[4:33:30] I'm just trying for for minute purposes and the way we run our meetings.

[4:33:35] When you say, I make a motion.

[4:33:37] We're typing out a make a motion and somebody cuts you off.

[4:33:40] It looks weird when you're looking at a record five years from now because it's like what was that motion?

[4:33:46] And so, I'm just for clarification purposes, you can always let somebody make a motion,

[4:33:50] you can say you just can't take a vote on it until you've conducted your public hearing.

[4:33:54] Then after your public hearing, if you don't like what you have, then you can withdraw your motion,

[4:33:58] you can move forward from a procedural standpoint.

[4:34:01] But then again, she started to make a motion and we're stopping her motion.

[4:34:05] You shouldn't be cutting each other off in the middle of the motion.

[4:34:08] So, but now we're here, no motions, no motions have been made, you can proceed to your public hearing and then you can move forward.

[4:34:19] All right.

[4:34:20] I'll put the public hearing at 9.54.

[4:34:22] Nobody's here unless staff or Mr. Bondi wants to say something.

[4:34:29] He's been so patient, he's got the next agenda item.

[4:34:33] All right, and we'll close it at 9.54.

[4:34:35] and then stand in line for a motion. I thought Miss Merch was the first one that

[4:34:39] had asked for one. I'd like to make a motion that we approved this R6 PDD without

[4:34:47] removing the R3 of pre-approved PDD with a cap with the condition that the

[4:34:56] on the tree mitigation in lieu of will be raised to $95,000.

[4:35:05] And can I also say, what about the...

[4:35:10] With all the fire chiefs recommendations followed, and the clarification from the engineer,

[4:35:19] I think we got most of those answers, and that the 10-foot safety zone,

[4:35:26] Next to Sawyer Road be protected from Sawyer Road in some manner.

[4:35:33] How second it?

[4:35:34] All right.

[4:35:36] American.

[4:35:37] Yes, she sure made.

[4:35:38] Go ahead.

[4:35:41] Is the motion line to accept all the other variances that have been presented?

[4:35:45] I'm sorry.

[4:35:46] Except all the other ones.

[4:35:47] The modification that we're making.

[4:35:52] Yeah.

[4:35:53] Except for the tree mitigation was a different.

[4:35:57] Yes, the motion did include accepting the all of the other

[4:36:04] variances that were requested, except for the

[4:36:08] tree mitigation in lieu of amount.

[4:36:12] Just for clarification purposes, because it's going to come up later, I need to know whether or not

[4:36:16] y'all want to do the easement or not.

[4:36:24] So that's not part of her motion, it doesn't have to be, and you can move on, but then I want to make it

[4:36:29] on the record that the easement is not part of that motion. The easement is not part of that motion,

[4:36:36] as far as I'm concerned.

[4:36:41] I'll stick to my silicone. Okay, you're still sick. Okay. All right. So we have

[4:36:45] a motion by cancer, a second by cancer, a Roscoe, to approve the R6 within the R3 base zoning is how I'm

[4:36:57] I say, accepting all variances, except for the tree mitigation, which the motion says would

[4:37:07] be kept at 95,000, and also for the developer to follow all of the fire chief and engineers

[4:37:14] recommendation, and to assume the 10-foot safety zone for the exiting on the Sawyer road,

[4:37:23] and the easement is not part of the motion.

[4:37:27] Pretty well.

[4:37:29] So

[4:37:32] we'll take a roll call vote.

[4:37:36] Please.

[4:37:37] Yes, ma'am.

[4:37:37] Place one, Daniel Bolton.

[4:37:46] Place two, Miss High?

[4:37:47] Yes.

[4:37:49] Place three, Mr. Compos.

[4:37:51] After listening to my colleagues,

[4:37:53] Mr. Shahadi, reluctantly, I'll vote yes.

[4:37:59] Sorry.

[4:38:00] Please, Mr. Horosco.

[4:38:01] Yes, Mr. Horosco.

[4:38:04] Hello.

[4:38:05] Hello, Kelly.

[4:38:06] It's ready for any ages.

[4:38:08] I know.

[4:38:09] Don't let us down.

[4:38:10] Yes.

[4:38:11] And Ms. Merch.

[4:38:14] All right.

[4:38:15] This was a labor of love.

[4:38:17] It passes unanimously.

[4:38:19] Mr. Shahadi.

[4:38:20] I don't know.

[4:38:21] Okay.

[4:38:21] So we shall see.

[4:38:23] Oh.

[4:38:23] Yeah.

[4:38:24] I think that's it.

[4:38:25] I did close the public hearing.

[4:38:27] Yeah.

[4:38:29] It's just way mayor.

[4:38:30] Okay.

[4:38:30] It's late.

[4:38:31] I've been working all day.

[4:38:32] This is my third meeting.

[4:38:34] Okay.

[4:38:34] Thank you, Mr. Shahadi.

[4:38:35] And we hope that the R6 comes through.

[4:38:39] I do too.

[4:38:41] All right.

[4:38:42] Thank you.

[4:38:44] All right.

[4:38:45] I want to thank my colleagues for that.

[4:38:47] I mean, there was really intense debate.

[4:38:51] But I think we got all the answers to the questions,

[4:38:53] and the compromises, and so I appreciate it.

[4:38:56] So thank you so much.

[4:38:58] So I think it was a tab of a lot.

[4:38:59] I agree.

[4:39:00] Like I said, they have very compelling concerns.

[4:39:02] And I think it can be worked out when

[4:39:04] gets to that point, when it goes to Plansman, we would be bad in and all that.

[4:39:08] I think it would be worked out and I think the city will benefit from this.

[4:39:12] Okay.

[4:39:13] Well, I just, I like unanimous, you know, when we can all come together, so thank you

[4:39:17] for that.

[4:39:17] Okay.

[4:39:18] Then we move them to agenda item number 7.3, discussion, and possible action on an ordinance

[4:39:25] authorizing the city manager to enter into development agreement between the city of

[4:39:30] and R.C. Banda Roo, if I'm pronouncing it, okay? I'm terrible at linguistic. Okay, I'm sorry.

[4:39:43] Banda Roo, really, for the sale of the real property, 0.552 acres of land, lots seven, dirt,

[4:39:52] the merchants and hebner subdivision, also known as the silo property. And we did have the first

[4:39:58] read on April 7th and Dr.

[4:40:03] Caldero's, he's going to present this.

[4:40:13] My, no, my late bell, please.

[4:40:16] Yeah.

[4:40:22] While you're getting that up, I just wanted the historical society gave me some history on this piece of property that I thought you all might like.

[4:40:29] I thought I'd read it real quick.

[4:40:30] Claude Evers and his wife, Johanna, and their two children, Christian and Christina, immigrated

[4:40:36] to Leon Valley area from Germany in 1855. Christian bought 211 acres near the northeast corner

[4:40:43] of Hebner Evers Road for $3 per acre. Christian Evers later sold a portion of that land to

[4:40:50] John Red, Susan Holler, Christian Evers-Marie Christina Buck, and they had 10 children.

[4:40:58] Christian would go on to openly on Valley's first school.

[4:41:01] One of these children Antoinette Evers-Marie offered Ryninger, one of their daughter's

[4:41:07] Catherine-Marie Paul Suerne Thrall, Conred Sun.

[4:41:11] And Catherine and Paul lived on the Healer Road several hundred feet northeast of the intersection

[4:41:17] with Evers Road where the silos stand today, the rest of the Evers farmland is now part

[4:41:23] of the Canterfield subdivision. The only remaining parcel land that belonged to the original

[4:41:28] Evers pioneers is the Evers cemetery, and this is thanks to Carol Poss for the history of this.

[4:41:36] So, it's got a lot of history, 1855. So, thank you.

[4:41:44] You're lots of history over there, RC. I'll just

[4:41:48] you RC.

[4:42:11] So we're looking for the development agreement.

[4:42:19] So essentially, as you know

[4:42:21] Mayor, this canic came in at the tail end. Yes, right. We added at the very end we

[4:42:26] already proved correct. And so essentially we're waiting for art to get us back the

[4:42:33] language for the contract for the callback on the

[4:42:37] silo property. We sent him the survey. So we asked him to make those

[4:42:41] changes. And so from the last time we met till now,

[4:42:45] that's the only change to this agreement is the callback. And so I

[4:42:49] know when I was talking to Miss Merch. She said, Oh, it looks like

[4:42:53] he's only going to put 25,000. No, it's still the maximum. The 25,000

[4:42:57] is just for the paying portion. And so the agreement is all

[4:43:02] still the same. If you look at the resolution, there's two that are copy and paste errors.

[4:43:08] It's right there. It says the property currently contains two forms, and then it says it again.

[4:43:13] So we'll make the grammar or administrative change. But the agreement to same agreement.

[4:43:18] I'll discuss in the last time executive session.

[4:43:22] It's what you asked art to come back with.

[4:43:25] That's the change that he made. We got the survey for around the silos.

[4:43:29] So if something were to happen, if the HOA goes bankrupt,

[4:43:35] if they just can't keep the silos

[4:43:37] up based on the HOA fees or whatever that is, the facility has the ability to claw back

[4:43:43] the silos.

[4:43:45] I have a question.

[4:43:48] Did we talk about the silos maintenance, is that going to be by the HOA?

[4:43:52] Yes.

[4:43:53] So everything, so essentially everything to do it.

[4:43:55] So what's happening right now is we would sell him the property itself for $1,000.

[4:44:02] He's agreeing to move the sewer in order to accomplish adding the due plexus there.

[4:44:07] He would then have a second entry onto his development as well as maintaining and revitalizing

[4:44:15] the silos based on the attachment that's in your packet.

[4:44:19] So he would paint them.

[4:44:21] He is asking us to handle the plaque, and I think more so he just wants to make sure he does it justice.

[4:44:28] He wants to, like if you want to put the history, he just doesn't want to be responsible for putting the wrong.

[4:44:32] He's going to put it up.

[4:44:34] No, that's what he's asking, just like can we just put it up?

[4:44:36] Yeah, it's not one.

[4:44:37] Yeah, you wanted to do the plaque.

[4:44:40] Yes.

[4:44:40] I mean, he can install it.

[4:44:42] I mean, he was going to install it.

[4:44:42] But we could do the plaque.

[4:44:44] Yeah.

[4:44:44] The plaque portion for the cost isn't, it's not, it's like two or three thousand dollars.

[4:44:50] And this is a 20-year agreement?

[4:44:53] Yes.

[4:44:56] So the HUA is going to maintain it for the whole 20 years.

[4:44:59] It's supposed to be.

[4:45:00] Okay. And then after the 20 years of that, then we up for discussion on how we want to handle it, that won't be around.

[4:45:07] And so I won't be. Well, the concept is sometimes just like y'all, y'all become very attached to your items in your community.

[4:45:17] And so my hope is whoever lives in that subdivision will learn to love those silos and they'll do everything they can to protect those silos as part of their community.

[4:45:28] right like that's kind of the end goal. There's some neighborhoods that have features. I was

[4:45:34] just in the neighborhood not too long ago and they adopted like a historic church. It's part

[4:45:39] of the neighborhood and it's part of a chapel and it's surrounded by a kind of the exact same

[4:45:43] concept. It's literally a historical marker. It's part of the neighborhood. But the HOA is the one

[4:45:50] that has a security, the one that maintains it. They're the ones that care for the property. And

[4:45:56] They've since tried to turn it over to part of the historic commission and the neighborhood

[4:46:00] came on glue.

[4:46:01] They were like, no, this is our thing and our subdivision.

[4:46:04] And so they raise their HOA fees in order to do the renovations on the church.

[4:46:09] So I'm hoping that's kind of what happens with the silo, but you have the ability as part

[4:46:15] of this agreement, if that doesn't happen, that you'd be able to say that you're not

[4:46:21] doing XYZ as far as maintaining the silos and the city has the ability to call them

[4:46:26] So they're not taking down okay, okay, and then

[4:46:31] R.C. was going to put X no or of dollars into painting the silos, but then there was something I read that

[4:46:37] You would ask the city if we wanted to do something more than just a flag

[4:46:41] Then you would try to get extra like economic

[4:46:45] Correct, so development funds. I mean, but that's that we don't have to direct so it adjust that for now correct

[4:46:52] So, it's 62,000 is what his revitalization dollars are for the silos, 25,000 of that is painting.

[4:46:59] Once you give that to him, it is his discretion what he wants to kind of put on there.

[4:47:04] And so, I know some of y'all have like, we don't want flags, we don't.

[4:47:08] We've had different presentations on what to go on those silos and y'all still haven't made a decision.

[4:47:14] So, you kind of give it and somebody else's hands.

[4:47:16] He owns it, let him put what he wants.

[4:47:18] And then, because it's not going to be anything not nice, and so, right, like some flat, I think

[4:47:26] you had flags, I think it was in your original proposal.

[4:47:32] So, we know you'll do right, and then after that, if you all have issue with that, then we

[4:47:37] can have a conversation like after the pain or some of these research to fade, if you all

[4:47:41] want to revitalize that, we can come back with, he can come back with an economic development

[4:47:45] community development type grant or something of that nature.

[4:47:48] If you want to put something more detailed, but again, this is an option or a request that has come forth before you all.

[4:47:59] If this is something that you're not comfortable with, if the history of the silos is too valuable to you, you're also not in under any obligation.

[4:48:10] Have to accept this development agreement either.

[4:48:12] Sorry, did you, Mr. Councillor Merchett, I'd love for you to ask your question, but I was going to ask you,

[4:48:20] Mr. R.C. if you had any additional comments on this issue.

[4:48:25] So.

[4:48:25] Thank you.

[4:48:26] Uh-huh.

[4:48:27] I don't have any comments.

[4:48:29] Okay.

[4:48:30] Okay.

[4:48:31] I want to keep up my work.

[4:48:34] And I

[4:48:37] show this to a number of other dollopors and dollopors.

[4:48:40] Everybody loves that concept of having that silence there.

[4:48:44] good. Being the little friends with the landscaping, surrounded by the houses, it gives a nice

[4:48:54] view. I just appreciate you wanting to preserve those silos. Thank you. It is part of our

[4:49:00] history that I just read 1855. Okay, thank you. Only one change. Yes, one change. We want to put it on

[4:49:09] I'm sorry.

[4:49:11] Ellilsy name, rather than.

[4:49:13] Yeah.

[4:49:13] So what is the agreement?

[4:49:14] And we have it under his personal name.

[4:49:16] But it will be his LLC name.

[4:49:17] Oh, LLC name.

[4:49:19] That's fine.

[4:49:19] That way.

[4:49:21] The other point eight acres is on Ellils.

[4:49:24] Okay.

[4:49:25] So just.

[4:49:26] Okay.

[4:49:28] All right.

[4:49:28] Yes.

[4:49:29] Council have any role in reviewing his design ideas before he does something?

[4:49:35] No.

[4:49:35] I mean, I would make sure.

[4:49:37] So, the answer to that is technically no, that's not part of the agreement that we ever

[4:49:41] reviewed design committee area, that's,

[4:49:46] again, kind of one of those things, it's raining.

[4:49:49] I was gonna say, it's raining.

[4:49:51] Yeah, it's raining.

[4:49:51] And I don't have a number on that.

[4:49:55] Yeah, so.

[4:49:56] It's pouring.

[4:49:58] Oh, no.

[4:49:59] So, he's agreeing to get it.

[4:50:02] He's agreeing to us a lot of put a plaque.

[4:50:04] He's agreeing to paint them, about like what flowers he puts there, what he's putting

[4:50:07] on the silos, the gate, the, I believe, surprises are the surprises.

[4:50:13] So, yes.

[4:50:14] I know you're going to do good.

[4:50:15] And he's going to want to, he's going to want it to look good.

[4:50:18] Because he's trying to also, so that you can track people to want to buy there.

[4:50:23] Yeah, you bet.

[4:50:25] All right.

[4:50:25] Next to a church and next to a park.

[4:50:28] The, yeah.

[4:50:29] Police fire protection.

[4:50:31] The city not view.

[4:50:33] Oh, I'm sorry.

[4:50:34] And within 45 days.

[4:50:36] Right go head art repeat yourself.

[4:50:41] All right. Would you repeat yourself.

[4:50:45] Hello.

[4:50:46] Yeah. Sorry. I just that.

[4:50:49] To the question.

[4:50:50] We'll be brought back to council.

[4:50:53] The agreement doesn't allow for the city to provide commentary on it with him five days of the submission of the plans to the city.

[4:51:00] Okay. So five days.

[4:51:02] 45 days.

[4:51:03] 45 days. I don't he's breaking out.

[4:51:06] Okay.

[4:51:06] So we can comment for the planet itself, yes.

[4:51:12] I just don't want to get into detail.

[4:51:14] Like we can't tell him these specific flowers, this specific thing.

[4:51:20] They overall plan for the content.

[4:51:23] Very good.

[4:51:23] Okay. Thank you for those comments.

[4:51:26] We appreciate it.

[4:51:28] Mr. Compost, do you have a mission?

[4:51:30] I do have a motion.

[4:51:31] And however, I don't know if within the motion, we have to name a different.

[4:51:37] No, because the motion itself is just giving me the authorization to enter into the agreement.

[4:51:45] So I'll make, I'm going to do one more run through with art, make sure everything is in the agreement.

[4:51:49] That's formatted.

[4:51:50] There's some formatting a couple formatting things I caught when we uploaded it.

[4:51:54] Make sure that the resolution doesn't have the grammar stuff.

[4:51:57] So when y'all vote on it this evening,

[4:51:59] you're voting on all the substantial parts of the agreement.

[4:52:06] I will clean it up and make sure that the formatting's correct.

[4:52:08] Make sure the LSE name is correct.

[4:52:11] All of that year just voting on giving me the authorization

[4:52:13] to enter into the agreement based on the substantial portions

[4:52:17] of the agreement itself.

[4:52:19] Like am I going to change the amounts or anything?

[4:52:21] I'll make the motion that we allow the city manager to negotiate

[4:52:25] or finalize the contract that is in substantial form in front of us for approval.

[4:52:35] I'd like to second that motion.

[4:52:37] All right, thank you.

[4:52:38] We have a motion by Councilor Kompos in the second by Councilor Merch to approve agenda 7.3 authorizing the city manager to enter into a development agreement between the city of Liam Valley and RC Banderoo for the sale of the sale property.

[4:52:55] at the side of the property .552 acres. Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye.

[4:53:02] Any opposed? The motion does carry. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it and welcome.

[4:53:10] Well, you've already been to the Lamb Valley, but welcome back. Okay. Thank you. All right. So we're

[4:53:15] us down here. So what we're going to do next is go through these appointments. And the first

[4:53:25] one is number four, 7.4, appointing members to the Board of Adjustment and Council the

[4:53:35] on. And so we've received five application Andrew Parer, Adam Castillo, Don Friedrich,

[4:53:45] Theresa Moser, and Hal Bernsides. We did not get an application from Luther Perez. Okay, so he was on and he decided not to re-app. So may I have a motion?

[4:53:57] Yes. Just before we get started on all the committee, I do want to make it a point because it did come up.

[4:54:01] I did email it to you all the section of the code to that state that you can only members can only be part of two committees

[4:54:10] You can be on unlimited ad hoc and if you have the ad hoc would be like your comprehensive master plan committee is an ad hoc committee

[4:54:17] So that you can join that committee if you need.

[4:54:21] Sandra, did you want to present all of this or did you want me just to go through it?

[4:54:25] I want to do it.

[4:54:27] Okay. Yeah, go ahead. I'm just I didn't want to you'd put so much time and effort into this and I'm sorry

[4:54:33] I just kind of like okay, let's go

[4:54:35] It's like no, so power points are put in there. So you can review the information right?

[4:54:40] I don't have to persevere. Okay, we're not well, and we'll have to go through each slide.

[4:54:44] Okay, that's like earlier we read the goals and objectives. Yeah, there you go. I need to know. Yeah, that would be great. That would be great.

[4:54:51] Yes, but you have something else. You had a comment just over all about our committees.

[4:54:56] You know, we've got some committees where the chair was selected some time ago, and maybe it's time to let somebody else become a chairperson within those committees, and you know what I'd like to encourage is for if you're a liaison, and of course, I don't know how to approach this, but where the members can re vote as to who's the chair and vice chair.

[4:55:25] Usually

[4:55:31] they have to have an election.

[4:55:55] That's just part of the code.

[4:55:56] I haven't been deaf than it.

[4:55:59] I think they've also had rules, but like,

[4:56:02] Earthwise doesn't have any rules.

[4:56:04] They can do it whenever they want.

[4:56:06] Part commission.

[4:56:07] I don't think they have rules on that they have to.

[4:56:11] but you're planning in the only board of the Jespins.

[4:56:14] Board of the Judgment and CPACs,

[4:56:16] so they have to set a goal, have voted when those audits take place.

[4:56:22] I think the planning and knowing in particular,

[4:56:24] as well as CPACs, we'll have to rebuild their officers.

[4:56:28] Okay, so I don't think they'll recall ever seeing that.

[4:56:31] Oh, yeah, thank you.

[4:56:33] It's a term, yeah, it's a two year term, the chair and the vice chair.

[4:56:41] because whatever that word is, whenever the mayor is elected, then there they do it.

[4:56:46] Councillor Merch.

[4:56:48] I would also like to encourage us to look at the attendance of some of the committee members

[4:56:53] and if people have an issue with attendance and even if they reapply to be on that committee,

[4:57:01] I'm not sure that we need to have people that don't show up.

[4:57:06] I think that's a burden.

[4:57:07] And that attendance roster is on some of these.

[4:57:10] I didn't get it from everyone, but I think CPAC, planning and zoning board of adjustments

[4:57:16] there in there.

[4:57:17] And that's a good point.

[4:57:18] I was just trying to pick it back on her statement.

[4:57:21] And hopefully I become the liaison for CPAC again, but this one thing that I was going to emphasize

[4:57:25] is attendance.

[4:57:28] And there is some that, I mean, understand sometimes you just have to miss, but yes,

[4:57:32] We can effort over the lives on this for that certain group to make emphasis that the attendance is vital.

[4:57:41] Yes, ma'am.

[4:57:42] In one example, within ten meetings, one member was absent six times.

[4:57:48] So, you know, on which committee it was on the CPAC.

[4:57:52] Oh, okay.

[4:57:53] All right.

[4:57:55] Well, it depends upon who's up this time.

[4:58:02] And then if not, then we have to wait till the next year for the reappointment site.

[4:58:07] I think. Don't we?

[4:58:08] So we're only voting on May or two and four.

[4:58:12] But I'm going to get you all back on track.

[4:58:13] Let's get back to board on the board of adjustment.

[4:58:17] So we've got the new person who applied because Mr. Perez did not reapply was

[4:58:26] So we could have five to make a quorum.

[4:58:32] So number one is there a motion to accept those five people,

[4:58:38] and number two is there a motion for a council liaison.

[4:58:45] I need two different things.

[4:58:50] I can't be in the seat.

[4:58:51] Yeah, just the five. Yeah, because Mr. Perez didn't reapply.

[4:58:56] So go back to the previous life center.

[4:58:58] Or the ones that this is the application.

[4:59:02] Everybody else re-applied except for Mr. Luser.

[4:59:07] So it is just the five right here that are on there.

[4:59:11] Yeah, I'll make the motion to approve this five.

[4:59:14] I'll second it.

[4:59:15] All right, we have a motion by Councillor Arrasco and a second by Councillor Harrell to approve

[4:59:20] the five applications submitted for the Board of Adjustment in front of us.

[4:59:26] Any further discussion?

[4:59:27] All those in favor say aye.

[4:59:29] All right.

[4:59:30] Any opposed?

[4:59:31] The motion does carry.

[4:59:33] Is there anyone on the board that would like to be appointed the council liaison to this

[4:59:38] committee?

[4:59:41] Yes.

[4:59:42] I'd volunteer to be a council liaison for the Board of Adjustments.

[4:59:46] So, then, may we have a motion for my amendment?

[4:59:51] I was on.

[4:59:52] I was on.

[4:59:53] I was on.

[4:59:53] Oh, okay.

[4:59:55] Oh, it doesn't matter.

[4:59:56] It's fine.

[4:59:56] Okay.

[4:59:57] All right.

[4:59:57] Did you, would you rather be it?

[5:00:02] We have a new committee that's saying one thing, so I thought that miss you didn't want to be addicted.

[5:00:06] Did you want to do it again? Okay. So we'll let Councillor Halm, it will be appointed by acclamation, by the board.

[5:00:16] So if we don't have to vote as the council liaison to the Board of Adjustment. Okay. Next is the Citizen Police Advisory Committee.

[5:00:25] And that's the mayor, place two, and place four, and good thing is most everybody re-applied

[5:00:33] for all of your committees.

[5:00:35] Yeah, it was good.

[5:00:36] I have three members that I had appointed two years ago, and they all had asked if they

[5:00:43] could stay on, and of course, they only meet quarterly, so I said yes, and that would be Ronnie

[5:00:49] Morgan,

[5:00:54] Tina Chasin, and I believe Ellen Yarnel is mine as well. Is that right?

[5:01:00] Is yours? Okay, who else is mine? Tina, who's there?

[5:01:04] Oh, Donnie Brit, that's right. Donnie Brit, I forgot I had added him. So Tina Chasin,

[5:01:09] Donnie Brit and Ronnie Morgan is who I would like to appoint as is my

[5:01:13] appointments. Oh, I'm sorry. I went first. I should have gone last. I apologize.

[5:01:18] Okay. So what do the different colors mean?

[5:01:20] that these are the ones that are up.

[5:01:22] I'm all right.

[5:01:23] I'm all right.

[5:01:24] I'm all right.

[5:01:24] Okay.

[5:01:25] So that's who I'd like to nominate.

[5:01:27] But Councillor Heil, I'm sorry.

[5:01:29] I didn't mean to take Olin from you.

[5:01:31] I was ready to do that.

[5:01:33] I was ready to do that.

[5:01:34] Okay.

[5:01:35] And I'll nominate Eric Mada and Olin, you're now.

[5:01:39] And Mr. Arasca, who are you?

[5:01:42] If I'm going to, it's not an nomination, it's an appointment.

[5:01:47] because there's other people in there that, I'm sorry, but I'm going to stay with my original

[5:01:53] ones, they're having their, I'm not going to get a Kim and Bill.

[5:01:57] And I did get Mr. Hernandez's, oh, I think that's for your other committee, can you

[5:02:01] remind?

[5:02:02] We'll talk later.

[5:02:04] Okay, so can I have a motion to approve the mayor place two in place four appointments for

[5:02:12] the CPAC for the next two years?

[5:02:14] Yes, Councillor.

[5:02:14] I moved to approve the appointments by place 2 place 4 in the mayor for the CPAC for the next term.

[5:02:22] Well second.

[5:02:23] All right.

[5:02:24] We have a motion by council.

[5:02:27] Merchant.

[5:02:27] The second by council are high all to a point.

[5:02:30] Place 2 place 4 and the mayor's positions on CPAC as discussed.

[5:02:37] All those in favor say aye.

[5:02:38] Aye.

[5:02:39] Any opposed?

[5:02:41] And as far as the council liaison.

[5:02:42] I'd like to stay if it is okay with my colleagues, I worked really hard to try to bring this back after they abolished it and I had to try to convince the concert at the time to bring it back.

[5:02:53] So it may be my last two years and I would like to finish this off.

[5:02:56] All right.

[5:02:57] So by acclamation, is that all right?

[5:02:59] We have a point.

[5:03:01] Councillor Ray Arasco as the council liaison for the seat pack.

[5:03:07] Next is the discussion and possible action on a resolution of the city of Leon Valley to a point.

[5:03:12] Council members and a council liaison to the Comprehensive Plan Advisory Committee.

[5:03:18] And I would like to, I can't, but I can't nominate myself, but I'd like to try to be the liaison for this committee.

[5:03:25] So I just want to throw that out unless somebody else wants it.

[5:03:28] But anyway.

[5:03:29] So this is for the Comprehensive Plan.

[5:03:31] Yeah, it's, it's only, I'm calling the Compact.

[5:03:34] Yeah.

[5:03:35] It's only four to five meetings over 14 months.

[5:03:37] So that's right.

[5:03:39] All right.

[5:03:41] I believe my wife Anna was trying to get on to this committee.

[5:03:46] Oh, she, I don't know if she would not be in the other way.

[5:03:49] Yeah, she put for economic development.

[5:03:52] I don't know where that box was.

[5:03:56] Oh, it was on the new application that I sent you all, but other people were just writing

[5:04:00] it in, but I got it off the website, that's where I got it.

[5:04:03] Oh, I sent it in to be updated, so I apologize, but the one I emailed to you all had

[5:04:07] the correct.

[5:04:07] But, I mean, that's up to y'all if you want a pointer to that, that's fine.

[5:04:14] I did receive Mr. Hernandez's application, Councillor Roscoe, have five o'clock today.

[5:04:20] So, no longer pending, but I do have-

[5:04:22] Okay, so let's go through the council then.

[5:04:25] So, Councillor Bolton, who are your two nominees for the comprehensive?

[5:04:40] Okay.

[5:04:41] Okay, and Councillor Heil.

[5:04:45] I have Will Bradshaw and Russell Hernandez,

[5:04:51] okay, and that's Betty, Kyle, okay, and

[5:04:55] Councillor Compos, who are you?

[5:04:58] The Matthew Hote in onocompos.

[5:05:05] Yeah, everybody up there, it says received the only one that was pending was Mr. Hernandez.

[5:05:11] Oh, Matthew Hote did submit to you.

[5:05:14] But it was a wrong, we use the wrong form.

[5:05:17] Did she not want to be on that other one?

[5:05:18] No.

[5:05:19] it was for this. Okay. That was the end, too. Okay. Okay, so we can we can

[5:05:24] read just that. That's okay. Councillor. Oh, Councillor Arrasco and then I'll go

[5:05:30] last. Go ahead. Let's go ahead. Let's go. Point, O'Lynn, you are now. And Jimmy

[5:05:34] Hernandez, Jimmy Hernandez is the president of the HOA of O'Nanow. Oh, okay, great.

[5:05:41] Good. Getting some new people. And Councillor Merch. My appointments are Cheryl Reyes

[5:05:47] and Travis leaves, leech, okay.

[5:05:51] All right, and my point is, the mayor of Portland,

[5:05:55] is Destin Nieto.

[5:05:57] I met him going door to door, and he wanted to be on a committee.

[5:06:03] I thought he was going to be on the park committee,

[5:06:05] but he reached out saying he wants to be

[5:06:07] on the comprehensive planning committee.

[5:06:09] So I thought, I was thrilled.

[5:06:10] You have no idea.

[5:06:14] Nester Vasquez, and he is a lives in Old Mill, so it's another

[5:06:19] representing young, and so you know, a different perspective, because we're doing

[5:06:23] long range here, and then Linda Meffert, who lives in a dare, so those are my three

[5:06:28] appointments.

[5:06:30] So, may I have a motion to accept those appointments as presented?

[5:06:39] I make a motion that we accept that application or the applicants as just discussed.

[5:06:45] Okay. And we have a motion by Councillor Bolton and the second by Councillor Kompos to approve the

[5:06:54] Applications for the Comprehensive Planning Committee.

[5:07:02] Planning Advisory Committee, excuse me, as discussed. All those in favor say aye.

[5:07:08] Any opposed? The motion does carry. Okay.

[5:07:11] So, I'd like to make a motion that the mayor be appointed as the council liaison to the compact.

[5:07:17] I'd appreciate it.

[5:07:18] That's okay.

[5:07:19] Let's see.

[5:07:20] Okay.

[5:07:20] There's a motion by Councilor Merchant.

[5:07:22] The second by Councilor Hile for my appointment to this liaison.

[5:07:26] Thank you very much.

[5:07:28] All those in favor say aye.

[5:07:29] Aye.

[5:07:30] Any opposed?

[5:07:32] Okay.

[5:07:32] Thank you.

[5:07:34] I can't make my own motion.

[5:07:35] That's the only thing.

[5:07:36] So, thank you.

[5:07:36] I appreciate that.

[5:07:37] Okay.

[5:07:38] I'm excited.

[5:07:40] Okay, now we're going to the economic and the community development advisory, so Anna Compos will delete her.

[5:07:50] Is that correct?

[5:07:51] Okay, and so we have two remaining applicants, Theresa Moser, who is, is she new?

[5:08:00] Yes, and then Ivonne is renewed, I believe.

[5:08:05] So, may I have a motion for others up here?

[5:08:10] There's your complete board.

[5:08:11] Oh, they're staggered.

[5:08:12] That's right.

[5:08:13] So, Tiffany Bradfield's on it and so is Ms. Stotson.

[5:08:18] So, Benjamin, he did not, he did not realize so Teresa could take his spot.

[5:08:26] So, there'll still be four people on that committee.

[5:08:28] All right.

[5:08:28] May I have a motion for Teresa Moser and Ivana Rosco?

[5:08:33] We have a motion by Councilor Kompos and second by Councilor Rosco to approve.

[5:08:39] Theresa Moser and Ivana Roscoe for the Economic and Community Development Advisory Committee.

[5:08:45] All those in favor say aye.

[5:08:47] Any opposed?

[5:08:48] The motion does carry.

[5:08:49] What about a council liaison?

[5:08:51] One does not have one.

[5:08:52] You'll never point to anybody.

[5:08:54] So is there anybody that wants to volunteer for that one?

[5:08:58] Okay.

[5:08:59] I'd volunteer for the council liaison.

[5:09:01] All right, so Beth's merged by acclamation, is that all right?

[5:09:07] All right, is that a council liaison to the economic and community development?

[5:09:13] Okay, next is the library board.

[5:09:17] Everybody, you have a full board, yeah.

[5:09:19] Yes, but you have a brand new on you?

[5:09:22] On you.

[5:09:22] But there's somebody that didn't, they had one opening as I remember.

[5:09:28] Yeah, Rachel Dotson did not reapply and hers, it was up, so Majo, right, onya, Marra, Marra,

[5:09:42] Marra, would take that place, right. And then Hilary Huber, Linda, Cruz, and Margaret

[5:09:49] over is reappointment or reapplying.

[5:09:57] So may I have a motion for those four individual

[5:10:01] applications for the Library Board, please?

[5:10:05] Okay.

[5:10:09] Okay, we have a motion by Mr. Roscoe and a second by Mr. Compos to approve the following

[5:10:14] the four applications received for the Library Board. All those in favor say aye.

[5:10:19] All right.

[5:10:19] opposed, the motion does carry. Again, there's not a library liaison, but if anybody wants to apply.

[5:10:28] Okay, then we'll move on to the part commission. So we've got the following applications that were submitted.

[5:10:39] And I noted that Ann Sawyer and Joyce Trent did not renew.

[5:10:44] So Jennifer Pasena, Elaine Valdez, Roger Christianson, John Hart, Tiffany Brett, Bradfield,

[5:10:53] Tara Patterson, and Diana Frazier, may have a motion to approve those applicants.

[5:10:59] I have a question.

[5:11:02] So I know that people can only be on two committees.

[5:11:06] So Tiffany has already been appointed to the Economic and Community Development and she's

[5:11:14] She'll move up, she'll move up because the Joyce Trant and Ann Sawyer did not-

[5:11:21] So she'll move up.

[5:11:22] So there's only her second committee.

[5:11:28] There's still a committee.

[5:11:32] Okay, so may have a motion to approve.

[5:11:34] I moved to approve the applications.

[5:11:38] A motion by Councillor Merch and a second by Councillor Hal to approve.

[5:11:42] the individuals who applied for the Park Commission, all those in favor say aye.

[5:11:47] Aye.

[5:11:48] In a post, the motion carries.

[5:11:53] And would you like to remain in the LAs on that would be Danielle Bolton City Council Member

[5:11:58] Danielle Bolton by acclamation.

[5:12:03] Next, we've got the Planning and Sowning Commission.

[5:12:07] So,

[5:12:10] there we go.

[5:12:12] Is that the, there we go.

[5:12:13] Thank you. So we have Richard Blackmore Andrea Roof, Donny Britt, Eric Mata, and Tiffany Bradfield, and then a point of counsel liaison.

[5:12:28] So let's look at that because they're staggered terms, and then there's also, yeah, planning and zoning.

[5:12:37] So Dave Perry already has another year on his Andrea Roof is reapplied. Abraham DS has another year.

[5:12:46] Donnie Britz reapplied. Owling your nail has another year. Eric Modet has reapplied.

[5:12:53] And Russell Hernandez and then that remorse. Their terms are not up.

[5:12:57] So,

[5:13:04] let's see who else, so it would be Richard Blattmore and Tiffany Bradfield would not be eligible because she's on two committees already.

[5:13:18] So, what's the pleasure of the council?

[5:13:24] I'm just, I move that we approve Richard Blattmore.

[5:13:31] So this is a mirror appointment?

[5:13:34] No, there's not a mirror appointment.

[5:13:38] Yeah, I just have a concern because we had a conflict on the board with some of the members.

[5:13:43] I mean, with the one that you want to point, and another current member, I don't know.

[5:13:49] I mean, I don't know how that's.

[5:13:50] Well, his application is up to you, so you don't have to re-appoint him and you can re-appoint

[5:13:54] Mr. but I'm not.

[5:13:56] Yeah.

[5:13:56] Please, I don't want to get political and he's going to, you know, I'm just saying that all

[5:14:01] These are up to four replacements.

[5:14:04] So but this is a mayor appointment and a council reaffirm her appointment based on your code, yes.

[5:14:13] So it's her recommendation, so whatever your recommendation is mayor.

[5:14:23] I agree that it's been a very contentious committee, and I know I was an alternate on it and it was it was a very challenging environment.

[5:14:36] And so I

[5:14:43] would approve, I would recommend Andrew Roof Diabrist and Dany Britt and

[5:14:48] but between the two remaining,

[5:14:55] I would recommend one, but not both.

[5:15:00] No, because she's already gone too committee. And I think the two of me don't say park and planning.

[5:15:06] Park is on Thursdays.

[5:15:19] Well,

[5:15:24] I just have to have, I mean.

[5:15:29] She's not contemplating that.

[5:15:31] I'm not sure.

[5:15:32] It's a Richard Biber, Marda, and I guess I would, I

[5:15:39] would, I'd like some input from me all, I mean, does it?

[5:15:42] Is it an Eric on CPAC and on planning on the summer?

[5:15:48] Excuse me.

[5:15:49] Excuse me on two committees?

[5:15:51] He's on CPAC and planning and zoning.

[5:15:53] Your comprehensive master plan committee is not.

[5:15:55] It's an ad hoc committee.

[5:15:58] Yeah.

[5:15:58] I'm sorry.

[5:15:59] No.

[5:16:00] Your ad.

[5:16:01] You have unlimited ad hoc committee.

[5:16:03] The only ad hoc committee that you currently have right now is your comprehensive master plan committees.

[5:16:08] Your only ad hoc committee.

[5:16:09] Because it has a sunset.

[5:16:10] after you've completed the task that committee goes away.

[5:16:13] So sometimes you have multiple,

[5:16:14] sometimes we have one like when we're doing the bond oversight

[5:16:17] or sometimes you have multiple ad hoc committees.

[5:16:20] So that's why people can be all multiple ad hoc committees.

[5:16:23] Right now though, your only one is your comprehensive master plan.

[5:16:26] That's your OK ad hoc committee.

[5:16:29] Well, I go ahead and recommend Andrew Roof,

[5:16:32] Donny Britt and Eric Mata to fill those positions.

[5:16:38] They're current and they'd like to be reappointed.

[5:16:41] So I will do that.

[5:16:45] That's my recommendation, but if somebody wants to.

[5:16:49] Figure out with Ruth and Martha?

[5:16:51] Well, the three dead are currently on the board that want re-appointments.

[5:16:55] Yes, I think that's

[5:16:59] the, at this time, is what I would recommend.

[5:17:02] So one of the council members needs to make a motion.

[5:17:04] Yeah, I can't make a motion unless you all want to make another motion.

[5:17:08] So that's up to you all.

[5:17:10] And if you look at the attendance, what does the attendance look like?

[5:17:19] Was that attendance the right one?

[5:17:21] No, it's 23 to come.

[5:17:23] Because I was on there.

[5:17:24] How's everyone?

[5:17:26] He sent it to me on Friday.

[5:17:28] No, no, it's 23.

[5:17:29] I'm at 23.

[5:17:30] But you do also still have two alternate positions to fill.

[5:17:34] A lot of their points, great.

[5:17:36] Those are the three I'm recommending.

[5:17:39] So, this particular board, per the code, the mayor is the one that makes the recommended appointment.

[5:17:46] You'll have to make a recommended appointment.

[5:17:48] You are going to vote her recommendations, yes or no.

[5:17:52] And if you're answer is no, then she has to go back and come back with another appointment.

[5:17:57] It doesn't have to be tonight. She's supposed to come back and make another recommendation.

[5:18:01] There are some, there's a number of days, but she's got to come back and make another recommendation.

[5:18:05] her recommendation are those three, so somebody on the council either makes a motion to appoint those three or not.

[5:18:14] As far as the attendance goes, it should be a two year, it should be the last, from the last two, when they were appointed last, which was two year, two year terms, you should have two years worth of roster.

[5:18:27] But what we have in our packet is 23.

[5:18:30] But I will say, Andrew Roof, Donny, Brit, and Eric Moth, that don't have an attendance problem with yours.

[5:18:36] I'm at almost every zoning commission meeting.

[5:18:38] You don't have an attendance issue with those three.

[5:18:42] Or if you do, like, not a, they call it.

[5:18:44] Like, so Mrs. Roof sometimes can't make it, but she always calls, and says she can't make it.

[5:18:50] But she's pretty much here for most of the meetings.

[5:18:53] Well, there's Richard Blackmore eligible to be an alternate?

[5:18:56] Yes.

[5:18:57] but that's not her appointment right now.

[5:19:00] So you all have to vote on her recommendation right now.

[5:19:02] Then you can make suggestions to her,

[5:19:04] but she doesn't have to take your recommendation.

[5:19:07] So right now it's the three that she's recommending

[5:19:10] somebody needs to make a motion

[5:19:12] to accept those recommendations or not.

[5:19:15] Okay, I'll make a motion that we accept

[5:19:17] the mayor's recommendation.

[5:19:18] I'll second it.

[5:19:20] All right, we have a motion by Councillor.

[5:19:22] and a second by Council Highell to approve the three applicants as discussed for the planning

[5:19:30] and zoning. Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye?

[5:19:35] Aye. Any opposed? The motion desk carry.

[5:19:38] Okay. And so then Mayor, at some point you need to make a recommendation on the other, it

[5:19:44] doesn't have to be those applicants, but you need to make a recommendation on to fill the

[5:19:53] right now. No, no, no, I'm just saying the future. Oh yeah, I happen to happen. So everybody

[5:19:59] knows we're not just ignoring those decisions. I try to get, yeah, or it could be these

[5:20:04] as the next week. Okay, so now, Councillor Liaison, Mr. Compass, did you want to continue

[5:20:09] in that position? Okay. All right. By exclamation, we'll appoint Councillor Compass as to Liaison

[5:20:18] to the planning and zoning. Okay, very good. Thank you.

[5:20:22] Thank you so much. Yeah. Appreciate it, Sandra. Thank you so much. All right, agenda, agenda item number

[5:20:30] eight, request from the members of Council to add future agenda items. Anyone?

[5:20:37] Okay, that's

[5:20:37] very true. And then also, I just wanted to add, though, I think, as per, we've kind of talked

[5:20:43] about it in the past. But when we come back in July and August, and September, or just

[5:20:49] July and August, we are casual for the summer. Oh, yeah. I just want to let, and September

[5:20:56] too.

[5:21:00] It's pretty hot. So let's say September, and August and September, we dress down.

[5:21:13] Okay,

[5:21:13] Yeah, because it's business cash, that's right.

[5:21:16] Okay, yes ma'am, there's nobody left here but I have to make a note, this 103-year-old lady sent the mayor a thank you note, it was incredible, her handwriting was so beautiful, and it's in my office, I put it in my office, it was just, she's amazing, she's 103 years old, and she said she wanted to thank the mayor and she asked me five times.

[5:21:44] at the at the lunch at where's the mayor. I said I'm sorry she could make it. Then she

[5:21:49] will back again and then she finally went through her purse and found her little note. And

[5:21:54] it was the same thing. It was wonderful. But her writing is so perfect. It was amazing. It was

[5:22:00] wonderful. It was wonderful. I cherished that forever. Yeah. Warden is wonderful. Just wonderful.

[5:22:07] Yeah, she's great. I mean I hope I'm that way 103. That's all I got to say. Okay.

[5:22:13] All right, we all sure you don't want to stay at all midnight. It's 1042. Come on. I've got some slumber party. Hey, over.

[5:22:21] Dr. Calder. Yeah. I don't if I could meet with you and or David regarding the Elverty Road ditch.

[5:22:32] Yes. So we so there's still. So yes, you can. We can certainly meet with you on it.

[5:22:41] Mr. Hindley and Holy sent something in today and regards to that property we were in agreement with him or meeting with the contractors

[5:22:48] We're getting it fixed. I think sometimes the residents call us. We work on it, and then they jump to y'all like we're not going to work on it

[5:22:54] The weather is kind of holding some stuff back so the same thing with Mr. Butetta's project

[5:23:00] Yes, part of the driveway is in his neighbor's property line. We've already agreed to fix it, and that he keeps

[5:23:07] Messaging y'all like us. It's on the it's on the list

[5:23:10] it's on the punchless, it's, as you can tell, the weather, everything's got to dry

[5:23:14] out in order for us to, to be able to finish making those punchless changes. Now I do

[5:23:19] know that there are, some things that aren't going to be changed, like, they're just part

[5:23:24] of the plans, they're just not, they don't, you know. And so we can have a conversation

[5:23:29] of what that looks like. But there are certain things. Mr. Haudy's property in the way it

[5:23:33] kind of clips off a little bit, and the way we've already got it, we're, David's already

[5:23:36] called the contractor, we're on it, and so if you've got other stuff, we can certainly meet with you on that.

[5:23:42] So what surprised me is the standing water.

[5:23:46] You know, I don't know if that, if the correct term is a culvert, whether that is supposed to drain the water in a certain direction.

[5:23:55] But there was a lot of standing water yesterday when I went bison.

[5:23:59] So most of the barages are flowing the way that they're supposed to be.

[5:24:02] like we've been checking as it's been right next to today.

[5:24:05] It's raining, we'll go out there's the majority of them.

[5:24:07] There are a few that have some standing water.

[5:24:11] Now, some of the greenery will have puddle,

[5:24:14] like you're not going to get rid of all the puddles,

[5:24:15] but the amount that was taken in the picture

[5:24:17] that was provided, yes, we agree.

[5:24:19] And so we're working with the contractor

[5:24:20] to make sure that the elevations are correct

[5:24:24] on that particular barredage.

[5:24:26] Now all of them are that way.

[5:24:27] There are a few pockets that are and where

[5:24:29] of those and we're that's part of the punch list and so we love the rain because we get to

[5:24:34] make sure that this drainage project is working the way it's going to work but to say that

[5:24:39] there's going to be zero water there after a rain that's also not an accurate assumption either.

[5:24:45] But yes we well it was interesting is it hadn't rained okay recently and and for the amount

[5:24:53] of water that was pumped. That was the water truck. So every day at the end of the project

[5:24:57] per Mr. Baudetta, he wanted it watered down because of the dust overflow, so we water every

[5:25:02] day at five, and so sometimes the trucks say sedentary, watering one location, whether it's

[5:25:09] waiting for a delivery truck to pass, whether it's sedentary, whatever the reason is, so sometimes

[5:25:16] that water truck stays there, and there's a lot of water flow there. So I don't, and I'm

[5:25:21] going to say it's 100% the water truck is I didn't see it, that's what we've been told so far,

[5:25:25] is even though there's been no rain and there's water every day at five, even if the ground

[5:25:30] is saturated, per the agreement in order to satisfy Mr. Butetta's request, we're watering

[5:25:35] down every day at five. So there was no like, it rained this day, it didn't rain this

[5:25:40] day, because we were, because what happens were we would say, okay, when it's dusty,

[5:25:55] you

[5:25:55] So I have some residents that don't want the water and have some residents on the street that

[5:26:01] want us to do it every single day no matter what.

[5:26:04] And so I'm siding with Mr. Bredetta on this one just because he called me every.

[5:26:11] And so we are watering every day at five and so that.

[5:26:15] So even though the ground is saturated from the rain, we're trying to keep the dust that day from

[5:26:21] some of the residents, I'm going to say some of the residents that live on already.

[5:26:24] Thank you.

[5:26:26] You welcome.

[5:26:27] But yes, you might want to go walk the area with us number eight.

[5:26:30] The engineers.

[5:26:30] Sorry.

[5:26:31] Did you do number eight?

[5:26:32] Did you have anything?

[5:26:33] I did say any.

[5:26:34] Yes.

[5:26:34] Future agenda.

[5:26:35] I did read.

[5:26:37] But that's okay.

[5:26:37] We can let you go back.

[5:26:39] We'll let you go back.

[5:26:41] Okay.

[5:26:41] Like I'm saying.

[5:26:42] Sorry.

[5:26:43] I got lost in the watering here.

[5:26:45] You know.

[5:26:48] For our budget.

[5:26:50] Today we had the streets sweeper come into Pavona.

[5:26:54] and he left more stuff than he picked up.

[5:26:57] And I know it's an O-clunker.

[5:26:59] And I know if we can kind of let us know,

[5:27:02] what is it that we need to put in our budget to fix it

[5:27:04] or maybe even get another one?

[5:27:06] I know it's a Christmas wish list, I know.

[5:27:09] Actually it's not.

[5:27:11] It's not at all.

[5:27:12] Is it 200,000 or something like that?

[5:27:14] It's a little bit more than that now.

[5:27:16] I think that's what we paid 200,000.

[5:27:18] Yeah, but it doesn't well back now.

[5:27:21] So yes, it's gone up.

[5:27:21] know we can take a look at your street maintenance fund and so instead of budgeting it all for

[5:27:26] street maintenance you can take a chunk of it and put it that way you run out of stormwater

[5:27:31] money you don't have to do the erosion and pay a portion of the year. I know they're not cheap but

[5:27:36] no they're not but you can split it at the big thing with their street super isn't that it's old

[5:27:41] it's not that it's old it's depending on how much stuff is in the street what's in the street

[5:27:46] How many years you're getting into it out then is that it yeah, I could be the opera it could be up it could be operator error it could be

[5:27:56] A very very it a different thing. So let me find out what happened or what went on with it or what's going on with it. Maybe it is broken. Maybe it's not doing what it's supposed to do.

[5:28:06] But we'll go behind it as free behind it

[5:28:09] So let me get with let me get with David and see what that's doing and then I'll get back to you and if we need to add it will add it to

[5:28:15] I don't want to have your budget.

[5:28:17] There's a good retirement game.

[5:28:20] It's going to be behind the streets.

[5:28:21] I was like, okay.

[5:28:22] The thing with the blowers stuff, yeah.

[5:28:24] Yeah.

[5:28:25] He has so much time.

[5:28:27] Okay.

[5:28:28] Are y'all sure you want to go home?

[5:28:30] Okay.

[5:28:30] 10.

[5:28:30] 48.

[5:28:32] On Tuesday.

[5:28:33] June.

[5:28:33] The second.

[5:28:34] Take care.

[5:28:35] We'll see you in July.

[5:28:37] Bye-bye.

[5:28:38] I know we'll see you Saturday.

[5:28:39] Well, I know we'll see you Saturday.

[5:28:40] I met the citizens.

[5:28:42] Yes.

[5:28:43] But they're invited too.

[5:28:58] We're a pacifist, they have lunch and ring your own taco.

[5:29:02] She says she's going to feed us guys.

[5:29:06] I already asked that.

[5:29:08] Let me tell you.

[5:29:10] We'll see you later.

[5:29:12] Oh, ma'am.

[5:29:13] You wouldn't have a tune of 70 attacks.

[5:29:16] All right.

[5:29:16] And she said we're sons in the hospital.

[5:29:19] But if you broke his leg, it's me who's broken.

[5:29:23] I mean, he said, she said they don't know.

[5:29:26] Give it to her like that.

[5:29:27] And she sent me a picture of this young man.

[5:29:31] And I sent her back and I said, who is this?

[5:29:35] Because I didn't recognize them.

[5:29:37] And she's getting through the sign, I'm sorry.

[5:29:39] It's her son.

[5:29:41] And that somehow he broke his beaver,

[5:29:42] and they did surgery, and they did all this stuff.

[5:29:45] So, which is so cute.

[5:29:47] I've heard of so many people who left and they got him.

[5:29:51] Oh, I'm so aware that he used to work in our law

[5:29:55] You know, the minutes, the years go to add it to the police, I've got the way to 84, I think.

[5:30:00] And last, Thanksgiving, we haven't seen them. We talked a lot because he and he still works on some kind of still settles cases when it's a full-term battle, you know.

[5:30:10] Just talking to anybody and anything. Anyway, he comes in as we've come and he says, don't want Thanksgiving last year.

[5:30:28] I'm going to be here at three thirty. I was thinking at five I just winged by maybe about five

[5:30:34] because I'm on my way from here.

[5:30:36] Well, I don't know, just, you know, just...

[5:30:41] I'll let you know, I'll let you know.

[5:30:44] Of course now it's...

[5:30:46] so I probably won't be in bed till too.

[5:30:48] Knowing me, you know, I'm just kind of,

[5:30:51] and here's all this.

[5:30:53] You can get it to you.

[5:30:57] I'm pleasantly surprised that...

[5:30:59] you know?

[5:31:29] I think the idea is that I've found a better way that this is good,

[5:31:33] I don't know when they don't show me.

[5:31:39] Look, I don't like the sheets.

[5:31:41] I just couldn't put it.

[5:31:47] I mean, I just couldn't.

[5:31:50] I didn't train.

[5:31:51] I didn't work together.

[5:32:08] I'm at every meeting.

[5:32:09] I didn't want to paint today.

[5:32:12] Yep.

[5:32:13] Correct.

[5:32:14] That everybody's name, right?

[5:32:17] I don't know.

[5:32:17] And I'll keep not like those doors from walking north.

[5:32:22] I don't know.

[5:32:22] A lot of people like the Cheryl.

[5:32:25] That version is that one. She's going to go.

[5:32:38] She's a child, though.

[5:32:40] And then we have to see it.

[5:32:45] It's been a whole year, actually.

[5:32:57] Well, I'll be near to me. I'm going to, I'm getting my toes down to 3.30.

[5:33:00] So I thought, let me do it. I'm going to wait down.

[5:33:03] I mean, I wanted 4.30 and she's not going to go in.

[5:33:05] I'm like, okay, I'll do it. I'm just going to leave the office.

[5:33:08] But then I'm just going to come down like that.

[5:33:09] Maybe I'll just stop in now. I don't know.

[5:33:11] I'm going to have a live list.

[5:33:13] But, you know, oh, look at him. He's gone for Ella.

[5:33:15] It's a piece of bed, that's the best thing to do, actually.

[5:33:19] So if you go over all, oh, we provide, you know?

[5:33:23] You know, the first one, I should know if I have to do those results though.

[5:33:28] I'm still inactive.

[5:33:30] It's not the water.

[5:33:31] And all I would do is that I've got to do that one, but

[5:33:39] I'm not going to damage the water.

[5:33:41] Well, the thing is, is that I'm going to go back there.

[5:33:43] I mean, I think we've burned out our staff.

[5:33:45] That's the other thing I'm concerned about.

[5:33:47] And we've been so lucky again.

[5:33:57] I think it's like getting the reason.

[5:34:01] Yeah, yeah.

[5:34:03] But yeah, we get a more conversation on what that will look like.

[5:34:07] But then what do we know about these officers?

[5:34:09] That's what I think.

[5:34:10] So that's why I just go with your, like, just go with your cellphone.

[5:34:14] Go with it, yeah.

[5:34:16] And that's it.

[5:34:17] And then call it a day.

[5:34:20] Chief, I gotta go put my hat.

[5:34:21] Okay.

[5:34:21] but thank you, when you're so sweet to go get a numphrel, is it still raining?

[5:34:26] Not so much, but Crystal drives safely.

[5:34:30] I will, I will.

[5:34:31] And then I forgot to show off the, I had it up here and I forgot the library for learning.

[5:34:36] I'm not typing it back with me, so.

[5:34:42] I'm so excited.

[5:34:43] I got you, I will.

[5:34:49] I'll just make sure you don't answer to yourself now.

[5:34:52] I'll just call you soon.

Crime Control and Prevention Board of Directors & City Council Meeting - 6/2/2026

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